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Title: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: N on March 01, 2005, 04:11:19 PM
Ok as usual....every year there are some questionable calls on the all conference team... <BR> <BR>Peets of CU...averaged 11pts overall and 13 in conference with 5-6reb a game....all conference worthy? Or is the league down that much this year? <BR> <BR>Kris Saiberlich of Lakeland....averaged 13pts a game and 2 rebs...once again is that all conference worthy? <BR> <BR>SNUBS <BR>Averkamp (EC...look at the numbers and compare to others) <BR>Murphey (MSOE, never seen him play but his numbers are as good if not better then some on the all-conference)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on March 01, 2005, 05:26:25 PM
I could argue with the all-conference picks, but I'm more interested in the COY.  I don't think Coach Larsen deserves it, frankly; his team was picked to finish second in conference, and while they took first, they did so in part because the preseason fave (CUW) lost its best player, Wietor.

Then again, no team seeded #1 in the LMC tourney has won in a while, so maybe the selection makes more sense.  For the most part, all of the teams in the conference finished about where expected; I guess the voters had nowhere else to turn with their selection except to the coach of the first-place team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pannounce on March 01, 2005, 05:27:55 PM
Ohhhhh Pretty Kev didn't get the nod for the POY, brings a tear to my eye.  That a boy Coop.  

Here is something I don't understand...why in the world is Kris Saiberlich on the all LMC team, but Averkamp is the Rookie of the Year and only on honorable mention??  That makes no sense.  Averkamp has some of the best numbers in the conference.  Peets gets the nod ahead of Charlie??  Come on, what is going on here?  Maranatha didn't get a win in conference all  year and they have equal representation in the all LMC and honorable mention as MSOE and Marian.  Again, makes no sense.  But whatever, Edgewood sweeps the big awards for this season, good to see, good to see.

PA
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on March 01, 2005, 05:29:18 PM
I forgot--I still maintain Christensen was more valuable to his team than Cooper.  This begs the question, is there a difference between the league's POY and an MVP?

I still wonder if the voters (coaches?) are instructed to take the LMC tournament into account.  As you know, the NBA doesn't count the postseason, and I don't believe D-1 conferences count their tourneys, either.  I think the LMC should have seperate POY awards for the regular season and the tournament to clear up any confusion, and to reward players who make it happen in late February.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pannounce on March 01, 2005, 05:32:18 PM
You know they probably look at just the regular season numbers, but the selection for all-conference comes after the tournament, so you don't think those coaches have tournament performance in the back of their mind?  I agree, the selection process should take place after the regular season.  Plus it makes it more interesting come conference tourney time to raz the guys that get all-conference
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on March 01, 2005, 06:12:48 PM
Look at last year's POY or the year before's COY. Its obvious that the post-season is considered. And unless the league would have a seperate All-tourney team, I don't see why it shouldn't be because all 7 teams get to play in the tourney.  

It's obvious that it's not a MVP, it's a POY - that what the award is called. What good does it do to be your team's MVP if your team is second to last in the league -- Mikos on MSOE, with out him they would probably have been 2-10, and averaged double digit losses -- I'm not slamming him, just showing an example.

How could you say that Larson doesn't deserve COY? EW won the title outright and were picked to finish second - they did beat CUW when Weitor was playing. They became the first 1 seed to win the tourney too. EW was one of only 2 LMC teams to have a winning record - overall record that is. Deserved and congrats.

But I agree that KC should have gotten the POY award. Edgewood was just too balanced to have one person singled out. KC was a great player on a good team. Lutheran was in the title hunt in the last game of the season, and it was due to KC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: john philosophos on March 01, 2005, 07:40:32 PM
KC, Mikos, Wietor, Zeck and Cooper are all terrific players worthy of consideration for POY.  And I REALLY like KC's game; he's smart, hard-nosed and unselfish.  However, here are 5 reasons why I think Cooper was the right pick for POY:

1) Regular season team sucess:  Led his team to the LMC regular season title, finishing second in scoring third in rebounding and forth in assists (as a forward).  Edge: Cooper

2) Post-season team success: Led his team to the tournament title, averaging 19.5 pts, 7.5 rbs. and 6.5 assts.  Edge Cooper

3) Head-to head:  EU wins twice.  Cooper averaged 24.5 pts., 8.5 reb., and 6 assts, shooting a combined 12 of 27 from the floor.  KC averages 27.5 pts., 4.5 reb., and 10 assts. while shooting a combined 21 of 45 from the floor.  KC took 9 more shots per game to average 3 more pts. per game than Cooper.  Both immpressive individual numbers, but once again, Edge: Cooper.

4) Reperesenting the LMC in non-conference play:  Both Cooper and KC played two opponents ranked in the top 25 in the most recent poll; WL played Lawrence and Stevens Point; EU also played Stevens Point as well as York, Pa.  In those games against top level teams, Cooper averaged 27 pts., 4.5 rebs., and 2 assts. while shooting a combined 16 of 28 from the floor.  KC averaged 12 pts., 1 reb. and 2 assts. while shooting a combined 8 of 40 from the floor.  Cooper averages 15 more ppg. while taking 6 less attempts pg! (In confernce play, KC took 5.5 shots more per game than Cooper).   Edge: Cooper

5) Versatility:  Cooper can play the point guard, shooting guard, small forward or power forward positions on both O and D, depending on what his squad needs.  His ability to play so many positions effectively is a big reason why he is the POY.  KC is very versatile as well, but he can't match Cooper inside.  Edge: Cooper

One final award:  I'm giving the Andrew Dice Clay Posting award to "the way" for his rebuttal today to a poster from Iowa.  Too good.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: the way on March 01, 2005, 08:17:25 PM
The Way I See It,

N,
I think a lot of times people just look at rebounds and points and give out the awards based on that. Now i am not saying that is how you judge or anything, but they were the only two categories you listed. Saiberlich started every game and Averkamp only started 8. Saibs played almost 9 more minutes per game than did Averkamp. Their stats are very comparable. I have really only seen Averkamp play once so i can't judge too much on his other parts of the game, but to me it seems like he doesn't play much defense. Now with that being said, it is beyond me how one gets the ROY and Honorable Mention and the other gets First Team with no ROY. And how Huenik made the all-rookie team over some other deserving canidates (Wuest from marian, ehnert from lakeland) is like Bob Sagat winning an award for best TV show host over Jay Leno.  

Now also after thinking this through, had Edgewood won conference with say only 1 loss, then i see giving Averkamp or Michalkeweicz 1st team. But i can't see rewarding a team with 3 1st team players when they didn't blow the league away. In the same token, don't reward a team for going 0-12 by landing one player on each squad.

As far as the POY goes, it could have went either way. Both sides have legit arguments.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2005, 08:30:19 PM
Freaking rigged...thats what the LMC is.  Is Larson still President of LMC?  Seems to me it is, how can all 3 picks go to them, just because they won the title.  Another screwjob goes out to WLC, the LMC's Public Enemy #1.  IF anyone other than KC should get the POY it should be Mikos from MSOE.  
And John..that regular season edge you gave to Cooper..#1 in scoring KC #1 in assists KC #2 in steals KC and #1 in our hearts KC,  EDGE- KC those numbers sound a lot better and do not seem like Cooper has an edge, it looks like Kevin is quicker and smarter on the court.  And his rebounds are not that high offensivly because both Markham AND Jiles out rebounded Cooper, giving KC more second chance shots, which is the reason he is above Cooper in the 3pts made catagory.
Im to busy to keep up this argument, all I gotta say is keep hating LMC, we will always be a thorn in your side.  Next year, #1 seed WLC- NCAA title you heard it hear first
Busty
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: the way on March 01, 2005, 08:37:49 PM
The Way I See It,

We also heard it last with you Busty. Let's focus on the LMC winning an NCAA Tourney game before we worry about the whole damn NCAA Title. Don't you remember 'What About Bob?' We need to take baby steps first.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on March 01, 2005, 09:13:49 PM
Rigged -- the coaches vote on the awards. And if you actually knew what you were talking about, Skipper Noon is the President of the LMC from what I could find.

Mikos for POY? See my earlier post. If anyone else you could argue Zeck over Mikos easily. Zeck AVERAGED a double double and his team tied for 3rd. But I already said it should be KC, so lets get over it.  

How will Lutheran be #1 seed next season? Losing KC = losing record in conference. That is unless some big time frosh is coming in. Any news on recruits?

And Busty, I don't mean to rip you a new one, but just don't go spouting off on pure emotion alone, have some facts to back things up.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on March 02, 2005, 11:39:01 AM
When coaches or media selects the POY, COY, and ROY from the conference's #1 team, I think they are taking the easy way out.  Anyone can pick the coach and best player from the top team; I hope there was more thought involved from the LMC coaches.

I can't really argue with the selection of Avercamp, and the Cooper vs. KC debate is a good one.  Then there's Larsen; I still maintain that when you are picked to finish second in conference, have an experienced team, and then take first at least in part because one of the league's best players got injured, you're not really doing anything exceptional.  He did a good job--and so did the other coaches, from CUW overcoming the loss of Wietor, to WLC putting up more of a fight than anyone figured them for, to MSOE for being competitive and getting a few major upsets.

I can agree with the Larsen choice from this perspective, as I posted previously:  Nobody else in the league really distinguished themselves as better than their preseason projections.  My guess says that if KC doesn't get called for a cheap foul (negating a fast break bucket) near the end of the Edgewood game a few weeks back, and that propels WLC to a win and a conference tie--well, then we're talking about Noon as the COY.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Da Foreigner on March 02, 2005, 11:51:28 AM
I just had to say something about the all-LMC squads.  For starters, I retract my statement about Averkamp deserving ROY.  I didn't realize that he didn't start (I'm pretty sure he started both games against us) so therefore my guy Scott Murphy should have won the award.  If the votes were based on who is most valuable to their team, then he's got the award locked down.  He put up 14 & 5 in conference and started every game for us this year.  Basically if not for him, our team would not have had a low post presence.

I know this has already been said but please, someone explain how Saiberlich got all conference and not ROY?!?!?  I think Murphy did more to get All-LMC, but there was no way we were going to get 2 players in.

N, I will come to Peets defense and say his numbers don't reflect how good he is.  I will personally attest to how much of a b**ch he is to guard down low.  I think he was All-LMC worthy IMO.  You can only score big if you get lots of looks.  He attempts like 8 shots a game, so scoring about 11pts a game is about right for someone who doesn't shoot threes.

Tommy, the coaches do vote only on each award; a little stupid if you ask me.  As for Zeck over Mikos for POY?!?!?!  Let me give you two stats that will crush that argument.

Assists per game: 6.3 (12th in the NATION)
Steals per game: 3.4 (3rd in the NATION)

I say again, in the NATION ladies and gents.  The defense rests...............

My prediction for next year: MSOE finishes in top 3 in conference & wins tourney.  Jeff wins POY and gets All-American looks.  You read it here first.  Quick related question, when was the last time an LMC player made All-American?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on March 02, 2005, 02:26:57 PM
I don't know what not starting has to do with getting the ROY award. EW probably made the changes for match-up reasons. And they won those games, so that was obviously a good call. Averkamp still had good games when not starting - 19 points, 10 boards at Lutheran - 12 points, 5 boards against Lakeland - 11 points, 5 boards against Concordia - and 3 wins.  

DF, what is it stupid that the coaches vote on the awards? At D3, it wouldn't make sense to have the media do it.

And Zeck is a better choice for POY becasue he averaged a double double in the conference, and his team finished 3rd, not second to last place. Lakeland would have finished 6th without Zeck. MSOE finished 6th with Mikos. Mikos is a great player, but he just doesn't deserve to be POY if he can't get his team the wins. He started to do that at the end of the season -wins over Lutheran, EW, and CUW and almost another over Lutheran in the tourney - and if he continues that next season he's a lock for POY in 2006.

But don't forget to add Mikos 3.6 TO's a game to those stats. Something he'll need to improve on.  And the award is based on how he did in the conference, not the nation. I'm not saying that's right, but that's what the coaches look at. But don't lose hope. Keep talking him up and maybe he will make the D3hoops.com all-region team. With his stats, he should have a good shot - and so should KC for that matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lee johnson on March 02, 2005, 02:32:26 PM
i just want to say go aurora spartans.  you guys are probably a top ten team.  these d3 rankings are a joke if you ask me.  a team that is 27 and 0 is not number one.  the rankings mean nothing now anyways.  go out there and beleve your gonna win and use what got you there.  good luck spartans!  bring home some hardware.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: N on March 02, 2005, 02:43:54 PM
can we not forget along with winning the ROY award and starting some games and not starting some others (for various reasons...match ups/conduct reasons/etc)...he still had the numbers he had and did score 41pts in one game.

As far as the POY award goes...i'm sorry but just because the person is the best person on a particular team or the team would be crap without the person doesnt nominate them for POY. And even though it was this year, the POY doesnt have to be on a team that wins the conference, etc.  

They need to put up numbers that rank at the top among everyone in the conference. And basically come up big in the majority of their games on an individual level (it is an individual award, not a team award).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: N on March 02, 2005, 02:45:42 PM
And personally I think POY should be judged on the whole year not just conference.  And who the nominees acheived their numbers against (like strength of schedule) should be considered. (if it were that way cooper would have won hands down)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Show on March 02, 2005, 04:44:16 PM
N or pannounce -  

Did Edgewood head out for BV today? I can't remember for sure, but in the past I think the away team usually came down in time to shoot around in the gym and have a practice the night before the game or so.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on March 02, 2005, 06:54:28 PM
Just for argument's sake. Here are some interesting tidbits I found out.
Here are all the conferences in the mid-west region's all-conference awards listed with the place of the award winner's team.
conference POY ROY COY
LMC         1   1   1
CCIW        1   x   1
NIIC        1   1   1
SLAIC       2   2   1
MWC         2   x   1
HCAC        5   8   1

X means they don't have a ROY award. The 2nd place team in the SLIAC won their tourney.
The CCIW and the HCAC are the only conferences to call POY something else. CCIW - MOP, HCAC - MVP.

So to answer some previous questions, it looks like there is a difference from POY and MVP as the HCAC was the only conference to give the top player award to a team not in the top 2 of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: the way on March 02, 2005, 07:43:39 PM
The Way I See It,

Mikos is not an All-American. He has shown over 3 years that he is far too inconsistent to label as that type of player. Yes, he has his games where he puts up huge numbers. But he also has had games with double digit turnovers and has just looked non existent. Obviously i know you are going to be bias because you have played with him but i have seen and played against him as well. It is just not going to happen. But i will give you the fact that he will be a leading candidate for POY next year (obviously Cooper will be the favorite, but Mikos will challenge him).  

Now as far as the game tomorrow night. I think Edgewood will hold it close for 30 minutes, but in the end fall and lose by 15. But a huge 'X' factor will be Dave M. If he can continue to knock down outside shots and penetrate into the taller defenders, he might help to sneak out of corn country with a 'W'
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Charles Simmons on March 02, 2005, 09:57:44 PM
Big congrats to AU's Adam McCoy, named to The CoSIDA Academic All-America Team yesterday. All that hard work paying dividends on and off the court. Arent you glad you didnt transfer, family?? (ha)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pannounce on March 02, 2005, 10:46:58 PM
Show
They took off this morning, probably made their way into your side of the country at about 2 or 3 this afternoon.  May have had a practice tonite, and will most likely have a shoot around tomorrow morning for sure.  Whatever team wins will have to get to an airport and fly out to Washington tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: N on March 03, 2005, 12:19:31 PM
i know the game is being audio broadcasted on the internet, but i heard that it might there might be a video feed too?

does anyone know if thats true?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2005, 12:51:28 PM
Yes, it's true. Check the IIAC board for additional info...

But here is the link again.

http://www.bvu.edu/streaming/index2.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: N on March 03, 2005, 03:57:19 PM
Tonights the night...

EC 61
BV 58

UPSET is coming and the LMC's first NCAA victory...then if everything else goes as planned....not bs'ing...i might be flying out to watch them in wonderful washington....

but for tonight...stuck watching the webcast
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bgbully81 on March 03, 2005, 06:22:13 PM
Ok, I'll try it here,  I heard a rumor that one of AU's players (Welton) will test his feet in the NBA draft.  Anything to it?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The 'Ol Hawk on March 03, 2005, 08:27:35 PM
Edgewood 39 to 39 ...4 minutes to go 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The 'Ol Hawk on March 03, 2005, 09:34:51 PM
It"s over BV by 20 over Edgewood
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigregg on March 03, 2005, 10:51:47 PM
Sorry bully, not gonna happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: J 2 The Brizo on March 03, 2005, 11:25:23 PM
Thanks for coming Edgewood, it would have been so boring if BV would have gotten a first round bye...anywho, Cooper, MVP?...Kies shut him down.  If that is the best that the LMC has to offer then you might as well not accept any more NCAA bids...thanks for playing...

J 2 the Brizo
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 04, 2005, 01:37:45 AM
bgbully, I think someone played a bad joke on you.  I mean, people aren't sure if the Illini's Roger Powell can play at the next level...and Larry Welton isn't Roger Powell.

Welton is a great Division III player - emphasis on Division III.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pannounce on March 04, 2005, 09:08:32 AM
Hey Brizo, heard you were the guy that sang the national anthem, is this true?  God I hope not cause that guy sounded like he had a pile of crap in his mouth.  If I were him, I wouldn't quit my day job of picking corn and watching my girlfriend get fatter and fatter eating all of it.  

Anyways, to the game...I didn't get a chance to see the entire game on webcast (Which by the way wasn't all that great, (give technology another year, and it will be like watching it on cable)But I bet you guys were pooping bricks at halftime when Edgewood was still in the game.  The story of the second half was the dismal shooting.  (29% from the floor in the second half)  May have attributed to your defense, may have just been our shooters went cold...in any case Dick Bruiseface Blaska went out in grand style having one of his best games of his career. In any case, Congrads seniors on great careers, it was fun watching you guys over the last four years as I retire from the scorers table.

PA signing off
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: N on March 04, 2005, 09:23:20 AM
Was a good game until the second half (when the lead for BV got bigger, etc.)....Blaska/Mickel/Donner good run...time to come join the ranks as alum now...

Give it another year or two and I say the LMC will get it's first NCAA win....teams are beginning to get more talent and confidence, also the teams composure in hostile atmospheres is improving....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Show on March 04, 2005, 02:06:34 PM
Props to the Edgewood guards for keeping them in the game early with unreal shooting. I was a lot more impressed with the guards than I thought I would be. After the half though, our little friend called 'fatigue' seemed to set in and the lack of depth and size did Edgewood in.

I was disappointed with Cooper. Thought he would be more of a difference maker, but wasn't even able to post up BV's guards successfully. Also, a two-handed chest pass or bounce pass usually work better then around-the-back and out of bounds passes.

Blaska was able to finally get to the line in the second half and doesn't miss very many FT's, but otherwise there was virtually no post presence for Edgewood. Maybe Averkamp as he matures, but he nearly shot them out of the game last night.

Oh, and I thought the national anthem was pretty good too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lee johnson on March 04, 2005, 06:36:48 PM
nor is roger powell larry welton...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2005, 07:38:53 PM
WARNING: there is a logician in the house!  5 stars, Lee!

There is only ONE d3 player seeing regular minutes in the NBA, and I'm not certain that even DeVean(?) George was drafted.  In my view, Horace Jenkins was probably the best d3 player of the last few years, and he wasn't drafted (he's on the Pistons roster, but gets almost no minutes).

Since Pat Coleman insists on being technically correct that Jack Sikma was NOT a d3 player, I'm not certain that ANY d3 player has ever been drafted - unless Larry Welton is actually LeBron James in disguise, and went to a d3 school due to a clerical error, I'd say you've been hoodwinked!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2005, 08:18:30 PM
Derrick Rowland, Potsdam State, was drafted in the 10th round by Denver in 1981.
Greg Grant, Trenton State (now College of New Jersey), was a second-round draft pick of the Phoenix Suns in 1989.
Lamont Strothers, Christopher Newport, was a second-round draft pick of the Trail Blazers in 1991.
Devean George, Augsburg, was a first-round draft pick of the Lakers (23rd overall) in 1999.

I am sure there are others. Terry Porter of UW-Stevens Point was a first-round pick, but UWSP was in the NAIA at the time.

I insist simply on being correct, not technically correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2005, 08:36:10 PM
Pat, I promise not to belabor it, but I still contend that in terms of d3 PHILOSOPHY, Jack was d3 - his school just hadn't switched yet due to respect for Jack Horenberger!   Whether or not the same 'technicality' is true for Terry Porter I don't know - if he had a scholarship, he's NOT to be included as 'sorta' d3!

As a fairly recent convert to d3 hoops, I confess I've never heard of Greg Grant or Lamont Strothers - did either have any significant NBA career?

I DO now vaguely recall that George was a first round pick - I could'a sworn he was a 'walk-on' to the Lakers camp who happened to stick, but I stand corrected.

Were none of the NPU greats drafted?

Since the NBA draft now goes only 2 rounds, I didn't bother responding to the 10th round guy - but that does kind of prove my point if he was the only late round name you could produce - d3 guys (with RARE exceptions) do NOT get drafted!

(Message edited by cabonney on March 4, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2005, 08:42:40 PM
PHILOSOPHY SHMILOSOPHY. Include all the Ivy League guys too if you want to go that direction. Include everyone from the armed forces academies. There's a reason we draw a line at actual Division III members.

You belabored the point at 7:38 when you invoked it originally.

Mike Harper was drafted, yes. Like I said, there are others.

Greg Grant played six seasons in the NBA, including appearing in 10 playoff games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: IWU Titan Fan on March 04, 2005, 08:43:17 PM
Sikma was selected 8th overall in the 1977 NBA Draft.

IWU was a non-scholarship NAIA school.

http://www.nba.com/sonics/history/jacksikma.html?nav=page
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2005, 08:44:45 PM
I only included the Potsdam guy to fend off the eventual Potsdam State boosters who post all over the place about Potsdam superiority.

At least they know their facts, however.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ancient Titan on March 04, 2005, 11:24:48 PM
Blaise Bugajski was drafted in 1984 after IWU had gone NCAA III.   He played on IWU's first team to play in the tourney.  IWU lost to eventual national champion Wis.-Whitewater in the first round. I believe he was taken in the sixth round by Baltimore.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2005, 12:58:38 AM
Four players from the North Park threepeat team of 1978-80 were drafted: Michael Harper (Portland Trailblazers), Modzel Greer (Chicago Bulls), and Keith French (Phoenix Suns) in 1980, and Michael Thomas (Philadelphia 76ers) the following season.

I'm pretty sure that French was the only D3 non-starter ever to be drafted by the NBA. He was the sixth man on the second and third national title teams, playing the role of the third big man behind Harper and Jim Clausen.

Harper played two years with the Blazers, and then had an extensive career in France and Spain. Greer played for two decades with Ajax Amsterdam (the Boston Celtics of the Dutch Premier League), and he's now their head coach. Thomas was the last person cut from the '81-'82 Sixers (tough to land a roster spot when you're trying out as a guard on a team that already has Andrew Toney, World B. Free, and Maurice Cheeks). He spent fifteen years as a member of the U.S. Army's touring team.

The draft was six rounds back then.

Apart from the national championship threepeat itself, I can't think of a more impressive achievement than the fact that the Vikings of that era had four players drafted by the NBA, one of whom actually spent a couple years in the Show.

I think that there was at least one NJCU player who was drafted as well.

Chuck, Illinois Wesleyan didn't remain NAIA until 1982 "due to respect for Jack Horenberger." They remained NAIA until 1982 because Horenberger (a huge NAIA advocate) was the AD, and he therefore called the shots with regard to Wesleyan's affiliation.

The WIAC people, incidentally, claim that their conference has never offered athletic scholarships, even when they were NAIA, which means that Terry Porter paid his way to UWSP.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2005, 01:19:02 AM
Greg,

I was VERY unclear in my post.  I realize that Jack Horenberger was still the AD, but "due to respect..." no one challenged him, despite being in an otherwise mostly (or by then all?) d3 conference.  (Besides, according to Dennie Bridges' book, they REALLY enjoyed KC!)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2005, 10:54:04 AM
Are there tickets still available for tonites Aurora / Calvin game?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ziggy on March 05, 2005, 11:41:34 AM
There should be tickets available but Calvin is bringing a lot of people
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: goodknight on March 07, 2005, 04:46:35 PM
Thanks to Aurora U's administration and staff for hosting a terrific night of basketball at the Thornton Gym on Saturday -- while on Spring Break.  It was a first-class event, and all the Calvin visitors I spoke with were impressed with your facilities and your gracious fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on March 11, 2005, 01:17:36 PM
Tommy DeVito-
Yes I know this is a little late, but what about my post did not contain facts?  Did you read it, or did you just see my first sentence?  Hmmm...well if you have been posting on here for the last three years that "bring facts Bust Ya'll not emotions.." (in whiney voice) argument is about as limp as you.  I put emotion into my posts, yes, I do not have time to spend all day on the internet looking up facts on teams and stats that I frankly do not care about.  When the season is on...its on for me.  Trash talk and school spirit with a slight spattering of facts.  But now, who cares about the LMC but Edgewood, and even that is old news now that their precious POY ROY and COY got spanked like a badly behaved school boy.  And last I heard Larson was el presidente.  So all I have to say to you Tommy:
Shove it.
Thank you for a great factless emotional year D3 hoops, I look forward to my last next year.  

Bust "Busty" Ya'll
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pete McBride on March 12, 2005, 08:18:04 AM
Bust Ya'll, let me guess  -  you work for the WLC admissions and PR dept.  They must love that you're out there representing them so well.  That "emotion" you put into your posts can be medicated for these days.  Check with your physician.  You'll me amazed at the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2005, 12:24:25 AM
Hey, he wouldn't be our boy Busty if he didn't react to facts the way a cat reacts to a bath.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pete McBride on March 15, 2005, 07:14:01 AM
Didn't Johnny "The Man in Black" Cash have a song about a boy named Busty?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Old School on March 16, 2005, 02:40:41 AM
Congrats to Seth Cooper, representing the LMC, with a 2nd team all-region nod from d3hoops
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: greg smith on March 28, 2005, 12:47:14 PM
Where the five freshmen of the year valid picks or were there other possible selections in LMC?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: kiko on April 01, 2005, 08:56:12 AM
Barry Temkin has a nice feature in today's Chicago Tribune on Aurora's Larry Welton.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Charles Simmons on April 10, 2005, 10:24:42 AM
Congrats to AU's Larry Welton on being named NABC First Team All-District and Second Team All-American. By the end of his career, he will be one of the best players to ever come through AU and the NIIC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Todd Schoch on May 11, 2005, 06:50:09 AM
What happened to you Charles?? You were the best player in the conference for years and then you up and disappeared. Why was that??
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Charles Simmons on June 23, 2005, 07:43:18 AM
Unfortunately Todd, the passion I had for playing basketball didnt carry over to the classroom. After my junior year, it was apparent that I needed to head in another direction...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 24, 2005, 04:57:16 AM
Judging by your posting address, Charles, you've made a wise post-college choice. Lots of young men over the years who've needed goals and direction in life have enlisted in the military and thereby found themselves. Well done.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LMC fan on August 13, 2005, 03:31:05 PM
I understand Clarke is not going to join the new league that will form as a result of the LMC and NIIC merging. What league are they joining?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on August 18, 2005, 11:36:48 PM
Just coming in to sweep the dust out of this room. So is Friday the day Jack Bennett joins the LMC? This board will light up like a Christmas tree!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on August 19, 2005, 05:09:56 PM
Well, Bennett turned down Condordia's offer and retired. So, the Falcons go to plan B - it'll be interesting to see who they hire. They have some good talent coming back, and they're always in the league title mix. I think it's a really good job for someone.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Cardinalboy on August 19, 2005, 05:46:11 PM
Why is this board always dead during the off season. Are LMC fans only good during the school year?
Come on fish guy...get these people awake around here!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on August 20, 2005, 01:32:27 AM
Is that merge official now?  I remember conversations about it last year, but nothing had been finalized...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 20, 2005, 04:44:37 PM
Cardinal Boy,

This page is sometimes dead IN-season.  There's probably only a half dozen regular posters; pannounce, Bust Ya'll, and maybe a couple of others that just trash talk the whole year and yell about the 6th man, the Edgedome, and stuff like that.

So, what is Plan B at CUW?  Will they just hire a guy for a year and hope Bennett comes out of retirement after a year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on August 20, 2005, 06:37:25 PM
I heard from a friend today that used to go to Wis Lutheran. He said that Concordia has offered the job to Lutheran's top assistant, Wayne Rasmussen. Apparently he used to coach at Concordia, maybe was even head coach? But I just can't believe Wayne would be interested in being a head coach at this point in his career, but who knows. Plus I can't believe Skip Noon is thrilled with the prospect of losing Wayne this close to the start of school.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on August 23, 2005, 12:40:53 AM
Does anyone here know about the merger with the NIIC and the LMC?  There was talk about it last season, but I hadn't heard anything official...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on August 23, 2005, 10:35:34 AM
The two leagues are officially merged beginning with the 06-07 season. Football will be added likely in 08 (Wis Lutheran is under contract with its league through 07). I have not heard a new name for the league yet - not sure if they have one, or just haven't announced it. MSOE from the LMC and Clarke and Eureka from the NIIC are not joining the new league. Everyone else from the LMC and NIIC are in. No idea how they will do schedules. This all comes from a good buddy who coaches at an LMC school.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: shuutr10 on August 24, 2005, 11:21:47 AM
Heard from a reliable source that CUW did offer the job to Ras from Whiskey Lutheran.  Also heard that he accepted the position.  He was a coach there previous so maybe he wanted to go back.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on August 26, 2005, 10:35:42 PM
A release from CUW SID Rick Riehl stated that all members of the LMC and all members of the NIIC except Eureka (who joins the SLIAC) merged. I knew about the merger about a week before it actually happened and all reports afterward said Alverno, Aurora, Benedictine, Clark, Concordia-RF, Concordia-Wisconsin, Dominican, Edgewood, Lakeland, Maranatha, Marian, MSOE, Rockford and Wisconsin Lutheran College.

That's 14 institutions, and the original plan was to split it into divisions. As far as I know, there hasn't been a name given to it, but there have been three committees set up (not sure who is included) to set up by-laws and all that stuff.

I wasn't aware of any change about MSOE and Clarke not joining because from all accounts I heard, they were involved when the merger went down.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on August 28, 2005, 04:09:50 PM
The release came out when the leagues agreed to merge - not when the schools formally had to decide if they were in or out. When that deadline came, MSOE and Clarke decided not to join the new league. MSOE will play as an independent in 2006-2007 and has applied for membership in the Midwest Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 04:27:16 PM
If only there were some actual reliable publicity on this subject we could write about it more. But considering the schools and conferences involved, I'm not surprised. These are intriguing developments that might spur some interest in the league, but oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 28, 2005, 06:37:41 PM
Fishguy and Big Uns, thanks for the update.

Eureka's decision to move to the SLIAC makes sense for travel reasons.  With Lincoln College's coming on as a Provisional in 2006-07 and the likely travel partner for Eureka,  the SLIAC will be a 10-team conference.

The rumor for MSOE is interesting.  Would they be more competitive in the Midwest Conference?

The first thought that I have for Clarke in Dubuque is whether they would ask to join the 9-member IIAC.  Wouldn't they have to add several sports, including Football, Men's and Women's Swimming and Men's Wrestling?

They might fill the "bye" for the teams in the 9-member IIAC, but going as an independent would be tough. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2005, 06:58:24 PM
Currently, as I understand it, IIAC members are required to sponsor all 18 of the conference's sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on August 30, 2005, 06:23:17 AM
Ralph, with teams like Lawrence, Grinnell, Lake Forest, Carroll, St. Norbert, etc., it's tough to see MSOE doing as well if they do join the MWC.  I believe they used to play in an NAIA conference with schools like Trinity in Deerfield and other like schools.  I wonder if a return to a conference like that might work better for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: da_foreigner on August 30, 2005, 05:00:55 PM
Pete,

I think the reasoning behind MSOE moving to the MWC is that it would be aligning itself with private schools of similar size and academic caliber.  Clearly the MWC is a step up from the LMC basketball wise; however I feel that with the new athletic facilities we have here and our President's keen interest to expand the schools spectrum of academic programs further into the medical field, within a few years I think MSOE will be in a position to recruit well on a consistent basis.  I can definitely see in the very near future a team from here more than up to the challenge of competing with the likes of Lawrence and Carroll College.

A quick question; how does qualifying for the National Tournament work as an independent school?  Are there allocated places or are you left to fight for an at large bid?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2005, 09:41:15 PM
Foreigner, our FAQ section (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php).

Also, in the NCAA we just call it the NCAA Tournament. Only the NAIA folks call it national tournament, to distinguish it from their regional tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Cardinalboy on August 31, 2005, 08:58:12 AM
Does anyone know of any incoming freshmen that are on campus now since school has started? Who has the best recruiting class? Will Edgewood repeat this year? if not, who has upset potentail?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on September 01, 2005, 02:20:10 AM
As far as Lakeland goes, there was an article in the Sheboygan Press about a month or so ago about two kids from one of the Sheb. high schools, one a freshman and the other a sophomore transfer from Marquette, joining the team. The article also listed a few other names, a couple from Minnesota, mostly guards and small forwards, if I remember correctly. Still haven't heard if they picked up anyone with Zeck's size and presence inside though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on September 01, 2005, 03:16:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2005, 09:41:15 PM
In the NCAA we just call it the NCAA Tournament. Only the NAIA folks call it national tournament, to distinguish it from their regional tournament.

Pat, I still think that calling the tournament that determines the National Champion can be called the "National Tournament", the same way that the tournament that determines a conference champion a "conference tournament."

Honestly, I don't really care what people call it... I call it the NCAA's, but I know what people are talking about if they call it the National Tournament.

EDIT: Also, interesting info about the conference merger!  Hopefully we hear something official about it (and not just hearsay) in the near future.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2005, 03:19:06 PM
The conference tournament.
The NCAA tournament.

There is just one NCAA tournament. Call it the NCAA tournament. Let the NAIA folks have their "national tournament" and their "regional tournament" or whatever else they like.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on September 01, 2005, 04:04:11 PM
Hey Pat..any chance of a d3baseball.com?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2005, 04:19:55 PM
Check Pat's 'tagline' - my guess would be 'no'!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on September 01, 2005, 05:54:31 PM
The way i see it

Should be a very interesting year to say the least. A lot of questions about the LMC and no clear cut favorite. As far as Lakeland replacing Zeck,,,,I hope they find somebody with his build but not his attitude. The guy was a cancer to the team and good riddens to him. He was a great 'i' player but not a great team player.

MSOE will have one of their better years this year since i can remember. I would have loved to see what Coach Good would have done with this team though, rather than Coach Miller. Probably not as many wins as if Good were there. Not sure athletics will thrive if they switch to the MWC. They are barely competitive the way it is in the LMC.

I could go on, but i have no clue on any of the incoming players. But i do believe Concordia messed up in a big way. They hired this guy from Wisco Lutheran. They passed up on a sure bet head coach in Todd Adrian (head assistant at Platteville). Coach Rasmussen is just a plug for a few years. I can't see him staying there more than 2-3 years. And rumor also has it they hired him because he could also fill the role of an open teaching position.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on September 05, 2005, 09:54:48 PM
Well, Bust Ya'll is back in the saddle for one last year. 

And at the top of my agenda is this years biggest sellout for WLC.  Coach Wayne Rasmussen has taken a stance with the enemy as CUW's head coach.  This is a devestating loss to the Warrior team and I fear for the next meeting between the warriors and the falcons will be brutal.  Will Rasmussen take 11 seasons of WLC knowledge and use it against WLC effectivly?  I guess we will have to wait till Jan 19th, but I will still put my money on the "swole" lineup WLC is puttin forth this year (more to come soon). 

The next item would be that considering a roid raging spongebob loving man by the name of Nick Zeck.  I have noticed that he is on the football roster (a meaty 270- 6'5) but can he still have eligibility for basketball?  This is an honest question I can not remember if he was a senior last year.  Anywho...till the season begins-  keep ur balls bouncin. Sorry bout it,
Busty
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on September 07, 2005, 11:07:09 AM
Zeck was a senior for basketball last year and is now ineligible for this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 07, 2005, 11:10:56 PM
It is a done deal, but I don't know all the details.  I know the NIIC lost their automatic this year because of their drop to only 6 teams (I believe Dominican is the culprit there).  How many teams does that put in the LMC, like 39 or something!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 11, 2005, 09:58:30 AM
I thought MSOE is going independent next year?  Am I wrong?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigregg on September 13, 2005, 03:45:50 PM
I'm from Aurora and have graduated but I was part of a group that got to see a little of what the overall plan was.  It's been long enough that I can't remember all the details involved, but what I can remember was that it would involve the remaining 6 teams in the NIIC (no Dominican beginning this year) and then the 7 from the LMC and I believe there was talk of adding a 14th team so that you could have two separate "regions" within the conference both with 7 teams.  So basically you'd have something like the "North" which would be the old LMC and then the "South" which would comprise the old NIIC.  Coference tourney time would see a format where the top teams in the North region would play the lower seeded teams within the South region and vice-versa.  The biggest problem is that it will strip a lot of non-conference games away because there are so many conference teams, but that was a set back that everyone was willing to deal with.  The merger allowed for all sports to have conference tournaments because a lot of the schools didn't have that luxury.  For instance, in the NIIC, not every school had all the sports so we weren't able to recieve AQ's in all sports, only a select few.  This was 6-7 months ago and there were plenty of wrinkles to iron out and I'm not quite sure of how far things have progressed, but I hope that at least gave you a little bit of insight into where they hope for things to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 13, 2005, 04:28:01 PM
I guess the super-conference sounds like a great idea for the AQ reason.  It does hurt the non-conference scheduling flexibility, and the chance for teams to win the conference championship.  To me, it seems that this conference will be much more powerful and influential, which in turn could benefit almost everybody in every sport.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cwm1276 on September 13, 2005, 09:15:20 PM
From the Rockford Football media guidehttp://www.rockford.edu/athletics/mens/football/fbguide.pdf
page 4
It states all sports except Football will start in 2006-2007 with football starting in 2008.
Currently 12 schools in the as-the-yet-to-be-named league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 15, 2005, 12:04:10 AM
What NIIC schools are going to be in this new league?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 15, 2005, 12:27:10 AM
Aurora, Benedictine, CURF, and Rockford. Dominican, which left the NIIC to join the LMC this year, will thus be reunited with its former NIIC brethren. Eureka is going to join the SLIAC, and geographically isolated Clarke is departing for an as-yet-unclear future that will likely include at least a temporary stretch as an independent.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2005, 01:06:13 AM
TBF, the way that the Eureka went one way and Clarke went another suggests that the new conference will be much stronger.

There are initiatives in the NCAA to apply the Pools system to Golf and Tennis for those conferences that have enough members in those sports.

You know the NIIC and the LMC better than I, but I believe that the new conference has a better chance of putting a Pool A bid together from the 10 men's 11 women's schools than from the 2 smaller conferences, espcially for the NIIC members.  (I have heard that the MSOE will not make the move either.)

As for this year's basketball playoffs, I think that the NIIC comes out ahead.  Pool B in 2005 was relatively weak.  With the extra playoff bids in the 58 team tourney, I think that the NIIC teams have good chances to get 2 Pool B bids. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 15, 2005, 08:52:58 PM
Wow! 2 teams from the NIIC get pool B bids.  That's a pretty hefty prediction.  Amazingly, I think you might be right.  If Aurora, Benedictine, and Clarke have similar seasons to last year's, I truly believe two of those teams get in.  Rockford has to schedule a few more real basketball teams in the non-conference to even get a slight consideration, but I don't think they win 18 or so like they did, if they do that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 17, 2005, 08:38:13 AM
After doing some checking, I believe two NIIC teams in the NCAA Tourney this year would be a miracle, as those teams mentioned above lost quite a few key players.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on September 18, 2005, 07:41:16 AM
Actually, I thought I had heard that Clarke was already out of the conference, either playing an independent schedule or hooking with with a more local conference.  Can anyone confirm that?  If it's true, then that's one less "contender" for the two possible slots. 

What do you know about who Benedictine and Aurora have lost?  Is Larry Welton back?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cwm1276 on September 18, 2005, 09:25:28 AM
Looks like Clarke is still in according to the NIIC website, http://www.niiconline.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 18, 2005, 11:25:11 AM
NIIC will exist for one more year, but without an automatic bid, because of the loss of Dominican last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 18, 2005, 04:50:04 PM
Benedictine lost Ramey and Jackson, and of course the infamous Crawford.  They have a few new guys, but they won't be what they've been the last two seasons.

For Aurora, Welton is back again as far as I know, but McCoy and Gronau are gone.

Both teams will be a little down, but still solid.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: castle on September 28, 2005, 02:52:18 PM
Hello,

I am a Cal Lutheran fan; just looking to see how good Edgewood looks for '05-06.  They have Cooper, Averkamp, Kuhnau, Fahey, Scott and Wainwright returning...not bad considering that Cooper and Averkamp averaged 34pts, 14rebs, 5asst last year.

Looks to me like they are headed to another NCAA tourney berth?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on September 28, 2005, 04:34:22 PM
I think so..they have an up and coming sophomore in Evan Klees and a tough junior by the name of Jesse(?)..as  former womens coach at Edgewood, I got to see them play a ton..if Avercamp gets into better shape, they could be great..they are a very deep team and well coached
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 30, 2005, 09:33:14 AM
They probably will make it to the NCAA Tourney with plenty of thanks going towards their lackluster league opponents not putting up much of a test.  They will also most likely get trounced in the first round like last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on September 30, 2005, 02:39:03 PM
The Way I  See It,

If you can't remember somebody's full name (Jesse ???), then they can't be that memorable or tough. Edgewood lost their PG from last year and i don't see solid relacements that will give them 40 solid minutes needed. Avercamp is fat and out of shape. He can score at a rapid pace but he only plays every other possession because it takes him that long to get up the floor. Cooper will not repeat as POY. If you look at the past winners of POY, a junior that has won it has not repeated (besides Metzger of WLC). And Cooper is nowhere near the player that Metzger was. Mikos of MSOE will win POY because that team is going to surprise a lot of people.

But this year by far is the worst  this league has been in years. The winner of the conference tourny this year will be whoever can avoid the injury bug.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: eaglepride on October 03, 2005, 11:32:31 AM
I had heard that Rockford's men coach resigned.  That is a loss for Rockford, he had turned that program around.  Good luck to the new coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 03, 2005, 12:32:31 PM
I'm going to throw Germayne James into the mix for POY. If he can improve his outside shot a little, he's got outstanding potential. He's probably one of the best ball-handlers in the league and he's got incredible speed. They're gonna look for him to create opportunities for himself and others.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 03, 2005, 10:59:29 PM
Is that the same Germayne James that played at Ancilla Junior College in Indiana two years ago?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on October 03, 2005, 11:00:10 PM
i see edgewood running away with the title with the main competition coming from marian
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 03, 2005, 11:17:00 PM
If that's true, is their assistant going to take the role as head coach?  Obviously it is too late to start a new head coach search this late.  But you never know who would jump at something like this at this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 04, 2005, 02:30:16 AM
Quote from: True Basketball Fan on October 03, 2005, 10:59:29 PM
Is that the same Germayne James that played at Ancilla Junior College in Indiana two years ago?

Not 100% positive, but since he's from Richmond, Ind. and he was a JUCO transfer, I'd imagine that's the same one. His younger brother was Marquette's top recruit this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Black and Red on October 04, 2005, 03:55:06 PM
The guy that Keith is talking about is Jesse Espe and it'll be interesting to see what he does this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 04, 2005, 06:28:51 PM
It sounds like the same guy.  If he's still as potent as I remember him from his Ancilla days, then he is a valid candidate for POY.  I believe he had many DII's and low DI's on him straight out of juco.  Very streaky though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cwm1276 on October 04, 2005, 06:36:59 PM
The new Rockford coach search is underway, an assistance has been named the interm coach for the 2005-06 season.  Expecting a new coach named next spring.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 05, 2005, 01:36:56 PM
I agree about the streaky comment. He struggled through the first part of the season last year but had some VERY impressive games toward the end. I don't think it was coincidence that Lakeland as a team started competing better at the end of the season too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on October 05, 2005, 05:51:47 PM
any promising freshman in the conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: da_foreigner on October 07, 2005, 09:42:21 AM
The Way, I have to commend you on your insightful posting.  Edgewood losing Mickael-SomethingEasternEuropeanSounding is a big loss.  Not to say I can see Edgewood falling off, they are too well coached for that; I'm just saying solid guard play is crucial to any team's success.

Have to agree with your POY comments also.  I too would be surprised to see Cooper repeat as POY.  Not just because I'm bias and want to see an MSOE player get it but because I play with Metzger now and I know who I'd want on my team (no disrespect to Seth, you're one of the few opponents I didn't have dreams of elbowing in the face the night before a game ;D).  However, would you not say that barring injury, Wietor would have been a worthy candidate to repeat as POY?

As for Germayne James, this juror is still yet to come to a verdict on his game.

While I'm here, I'm just going to put this out there to marinate in your heads before the start of this coming season.  MSOE will have the best backcourt and possibly the best 1 through 4 overall in the conference.  I can say without hesitation that NO ONE in the conference will have a better 1-2 combo, period.

Busty, I wait in eager anticipation for this "swole" squad that your WLC boys will be brandishing this year.  I'm just letting you know now your full-court-pressure-half-court-trapping-play-the-passing-lane defense isn't going to work this year.  Injuries aside (touching wood as I type :-[) I predict two 25pt blow outs in the favor of Mo'zee.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 07, 2005, 03:19:12 PM
The Way I See It

DF, I know we had our differences last year, but i think we might actually agree on something. I too believe MSOE will get two plus 25 point blowout wins and they will be this:

MSOE 82
Maranatha 50
and
MSOE 75
Maranatha 48

But all joking aside, I am actually anxious to see MSOE play once this year. I wasn't able to watch their game at Lakeland last year due to work conflicts.
But also on the Weitor winning POY again if he hadn't gotten hurt isn't what i was after. I was simply showing that (injury or no injury) a junior had not repeated as POY since Metzger.

And on the topic of G. James, he got better as the year went on last year because he finally got comfortable with the system and his new position of PG. I disagree with a previous comment about him having the best ballhandling skills in the conference because he doesn't. His normal position is a 3 man and not a PG. He uses his strength to power past his defender (due to the fact no other 1's in the conference are as strong as him...mikos included). I find it hard to believe that D1 schools were after him because if i remember correctly his numbers were not that flashy at his JUCO. But i am definitely glad he found his way upstream to the Muskie pond. He gives 110% whether at practice or a game.

Practice starts in 1 week. It was this time every year that i hated as a player. But now that i am done and graduated, i would give anything to have it back.

Order of finish:

1. Edgewood
2. MSOE
3. Lakeland
4. Marian
5. Concordia
6. WLC
7. Dominican
8. Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on October 07, 2005, 06:21:11 PM
Is Welton going to be back and ready to fill the shoes he made for hisself.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on October 08, 2005, 05:26:47 PM
didnt cory nickel from lakeland win player of the year 2 years ago..i think weitor just was preseason player of the year last year and never won the award..so weitor wouldnt have had a chance to win it two years in arow like you all are saying
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: d_3_watcher on October 11, 2005, 12:22:31 PM
da-foreigner,
Mikos and what other guard?
Mikos and Murphy and what other 2?
I saw all the LMC teams except WL last year and I don't think that MSOE has the bigs to rebound with the other teams in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 11, 2005, 03:17:36 PM
The Way I See It,

No one has the bigs in conference. A 4 in the LMC would be a 3 in any other conference. Maranatha doesn't have a big; Lakeland doesn't have a big; Marian's tallest is 6'6" and he isn't a true 5 (whitenack); WLC has a 6'8" but he isn't a true post; Concordia has Atkinson (but all he wants  to do is jack up outside shots).

Post play will not win anything in the LMC. It all centers around guard play and small forwards.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Cardinalboy on October 11, 2005, 04:37:00 PM
jgatz...Cory Nickel did win POY and Weitor didn't win it because they lost in the conference semifinals to WLC and Lakeland won it all. So, your right. Ricky Davis won it the year before that. Weitor just couldn't lead CU to the championship game. If he did then he probably would have won it.

Go Cardinals
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on October 11, 2005, 10:57:00 PM
atkinson plays a nice inside out game and also edgewood has averkamp and cooper who can both post up
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on October 12, 2005, 02:12:37 AM
post play is very key into winning a conference title........cooper  blaska and averkamp led them to a title not the gaurd play...post play is very key granted the gaurd play helps but a strong inside game will win over an outside more often than not
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Cardinalboy on October 12, 2005, 09:43:25 AM
Some teams are post oriented and some are guard oriented. Usually, the teams that are really good have a combination of both. The post game allows teams to get easier buckets and force the issue underneath as well as winning the battle of the boards offensively and defensively (key element to winning games). But win the game is on the line it comes down to guard play. You can look at all the NCAA basketball championships..how many times was it a post that made the biggest differences late in the game? Last year shawn may (UNC), was a beast for them THROUGHOUT the game and the Illini lived with long three's. Besides, that. Carmelo Anthony (Syracuse), Matteen Cleaves (Michigan State),  and some kid by the name of Mike Jordan.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on October 12, 2005, 02:02:26 PM
carmelo would not have won the title that year had wayne simion not have gotten hurt. kansas had the inside outside game with collison simien and hinrich and langford so i wouldnt say a good example is carmelo. cleaves didnt have stud inside players but aj granger and andre hutson were bangers and played great defense ...jordan had sam perkins and brad daugherty who both turned out to be admirable nba players.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Cardinalboy on October 12, 2005, 02:45:59 PM
KU was a great team believe me, I played against them that year!! I'm not saying that you will win it all with a great guard. I'm saying that, when the game is on the line. Who is probably going to end up taking that shot? A guard. Believe me, as I stated before I believe having the inside game and a outside game is what makes really good teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 13, 2005, 10:20:15 AM
It's hard to stop a guard from getting a shot, even if they are shorter than everybody else.  There is more space at their disposal, where as a post has limited space and can be double or triple teamed fairly easily.  More importantly, nobody at the end of a game wants to give up a look close to the basket.  So in a way, a team almost concedes an outside shot, as the chances are less for it to go in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 13, 2005, 02:17:27 PM
The Way I See It

Here is a little recap of the teams that have gone to the NCAA tournament in the LMC since i have been around.

2001- Marian (no post; Jaeger and Muench carried the team and were guards)
2002- Edgewood (Malkowski could be considered post but rest of the team was guards)
2003- MSOE (Lewis was tallest guy but was not a post player; hopf finally came around but wasn't a great post at the time)
2004- Lakeland (Zeck was only post player on the roster; the rest were all guards)
2005 - Edgewood (won by default; there were no other candidiates in the LMC to win)

My point is that when the smoke clears and it is all said and done, guard play will help you move on. Post players get into foul trouble on a regular basis and can't always be relied upon. Post players can't bring the ball up the court and create something on the spur of a moment.

Heck, even look at the past winners of the POY and show me a post player? 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Cardinalboy on October 13, 2005, 02:24:43 PM
Maybe I'm confused  ??? or maybe you guys have me mistaken? I believe that good guards is what it takes to win it all.

But I also believe having a good post players to go with them (takes pressure off of them sometimes) makes teams a lot better.
ex: Zeck and Nickel (Lakeland 04)

Here's a question for us to ponder.
Would you rather have a one-two punch of two guards or one guard and one post?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 13, 2005, 05:27:12 PM
The Way I See It,

You are missing my point Cardinal (and yes i know that you too believe good guards is what gets it done) . Obviously it would be in every teams interest to have at least some post play that would offset and compliment the guards But if i had to choose between having a team of oustanding guard play or outstanding post play, i would choose the guards (and when i say guards i also am including the 3 man in this).

But as far as my 1-2 punch, gimme the guards. You can always send a 'Goon' into the game to bang down low with the big boys but you can't just stick any two people out there to play the guard position.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: da_foreigner on October 15, 2005, 05:35:30 PM
jgatz, you are totally right about Nickel (totally forgot about him.  He could really hoop I might add).  However I don't agree with you on your comments about post play.  End of the day, you could have a 6'10" beast on the block; if you haven't got the guards to get him the ball, he's rendered useless. 

In my opinion having high quality guards that will a.) Not turn the ball over b.) Take good shots c.) Create good shots for the whole team and d.) pressure the crap out of the opposing guard will 99% of the time get the job in this conference.  On a national level, things are very much different, where you are going to need the big bodies to compete.  I don't see the quality of guard play in the returning players that will allow them to dominate like last year.  To answer the 1-2 punch question, if given the choice I think most coaches will take a guard/post combination.  A balanced offence is hard one to slow down.

I don't think any team in the conference has a huge advantage over the other teams in rebounding.  Check the stats on rebounding margin for last year; Edgewood with all their size only had +0.4 advantage.  Maranatha and WLC are the only two teams that got consistently killed in that department.  Personally I don't think size is the key to rebounding.  Most rebounding situations in a game require soft hands & quick lateral movement over pure vertical size/leap.  I have seen teams in my time that lacked overall size but were very good rebounding teams because all 5 guys on the floor were relatively quick & made a point of putting a body on someone before running off to play on offence.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on October 15, 2005, 09:16:52 PM
What's the story about the guard who left UW-Superior and is now playing at MSOE - i've heard he is very good. They seem to have the pieces in place for a really nice year, especially when you consider that aside from Edgewood this league has a whole bunch of question marks this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fan321 on October 16, 2005, 08:11:24 PM
Top 5 players in the LCM this year
1.Cooper
2.Mikos
3.AverKamp
4.Redmond
5.Saiberlich
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on October 17, 2005, 09:11:25 PM
From the mouth of Busty:

WLC CONFERENCE CHAMPS 05-06
Last year in the saddle and as the new self proclaimed CEO of 6th Man Nation I bring you these tiddings:

Why is there no love for WLC?  I didnt see any standout players mentioned and a 6th in the rankings...yikes.   With that said, I do not see Cooper as POY again, because I do not see Edgewood as winning it all again.  I think they got all the 'OYs because they took it- no other real stand out players minus Kevin Christensen. 

Call me a broken record but- this years surprise WLC men all the way.  I think there is more team unity and all around ballness.  Watching their first practice today one frosh stands out who I have yet to find out his name. 

MSOE with the loss of Da Foreigner how do you expect to get anywhere?  I also see Edgewood suffering from the "Injury Bug" this year like all other past years, the difference will be that the LMC will take advantage of it this year and keep them out.  And btw...Marian I think was put 3rd by someone?  What the heck is that all about, they just got it on a fluke- and I will stand by that.

LMC Finish
1. WLC
2. Concordia - their new coach will do it for them
3. Edgewood
4. The Fish
5. MSOE
6.The Nurses
7. The Baptists
8. Dominican

Any questions to get the preseason BS going- just shoot Bust Y'all a line- I've missed it this summer so there is a lot stored up.  Sorry Bout it
Busty
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on October 18, 2005, 12:06:54 PM
Not to hate on all of your teams.... I have played with some people from MSOE over the summer and i think they will run away with the conference title this year. 

I will sum it up for yall this way... the new guy from UW Superior is as fast as mikos(if not faster), a really good shooter, and can jump out of the gym.  Those 2 can D people up and i dont see anyone coming close to them.

I saw all of the teams play last year.... and with all due respect... if they haven't got some stud transfers... they will be getting blown out this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on October 18, 2005, 12:19:19 PM
da_foreigner... you going to their first games?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigregg on October 19, 2005, 11:16:48 AM
Larry Welton gets better everyday.  Right now there's no one, at least within the conference, that can even consider matching up with him.  Not to mention that Aurora as a team basically reloaded their 2 and 3 spots with a fairly strong recruiting class at both positions.  If they play good Aurora defense and can rebound with the taller teams for 40 minutes there's no doubt that the Pool B bids are down to 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 19, 2005, 12:54:56 PM
I don't know how you can say that WLC will win it this year, especially after that horrid collapse at Concordia in the tournament last year. They lost Christensen, they're best player, and I didn't see that Brian Hagel could play hard-nosed post play in the few times I saw them, including the game when they got destroyed at Lakeland.

Edgewood lost a lot of players, but still have Cooper and Averkamp returning. They have the best inside game, but I'm not sure they have the guards to get them the ball.

Lakeland has the guards, but lost Zeck, and has unproven new guys coming in (The freshmen: 6'7" 232 Scott, 6'6" 225 Ozluk, 6'4" 220 Rogers; and the junior transfer 6'4" 232 Coleman).

MSOE also has the guards. Those guys can ball.

As for Concordia, Wietor's gone. Best players here: A. Johnson, who has the ability to shoot the lights out, and Peets, who played very well, basically carried Concordia through the final minutes, in that aforementioned tournament game against WLC.

Due to the overall lack of balance in these teams, I'm going to predict that there will be a lot of lopsided victories in the league this year, and that the top five spots in the conference are well up for grabs for any of these teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 19, 2005, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on October 19, 2005, 12:54:56 PM
I don't know how you can say that WLC will win it this year, especially after that horrid collapse at Concordia in the tournament last year. They lost Christensen, their best player, and I didn't see that Brian Hagel could play hard-nosed post play in the few times I saw them, including the game when they got destroyed at Lakeland.

Edgewood lost a lot of players, but still have Cooper and Averkamp returning. They have the best inside game, but I'm not sure they have the guards to get them the ball.

Lakeland has the guards, but lost Zeck, and has unproven new guys coming in (The freshmen: 6'7" 232 Scott, 6'6" 225 Ozluk, 6'4" 220 Rogers; and the junior transfer 6'4" 232 Coleman).

MSOE also has the guards. Those guys can ball.

As for Concordia, Wietor's gone. Best players here: A. Johnson, who has the ability to shoot the lights out, and Peets, who played very well, basically carried Concordia through the final minutes, in that aforementioned tournament game against WLC.

Due to the overall lack of balance in these teams, I'm going to predict that there will be a lot of lopsided victories in the league this year, and that the top five spots in the conference are well up for grabs for any of these teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on October 19, 2005, 04:04:04 PM
did peets graduate???? also what is the name of the transfer to msoe from superior????? and are any of the lakeland big men skilled because of they are they could be tougth this year with saberlich and james at the gaurds and the return of nick howard at a 3 and ehnert at a 4
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 19, 2005, 07:45:47 PM
Quote from: jgatz33 on October 19, 2005, 04:04:04 PM
did peets graduate???? also what is the name of the transfer to msoe from superior????? and are any of the lakeland big men skilled because of they are they could be tougth this year with saberlich and james at the gaurds and the return of nick howard at a 3 and ehnert at a 4

jgatz33,

Concordia has Peets listed on their new roster. And in my previous post I went through the big men for Lakeland. I haven't heard anything about their skill, but they seem to have the size (6'7" 232, 6'6" 220 at 4 and 5).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on October 20, 2005, 04:27:09 PM
Were did this new talant come from? And will this new talant be able to stay strong with powerhouse like Weslyen.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on October 20, 2005, 09:30:35 PM
QuoteI don't know how you can say that WLC will win it this year, especially after that horrid collapse at Concordia in the tournament last year. They lost Christensen, they're best player, and I didn't see that Brian Hagel could play hard-nosed post play in the few times I saw them, including the game when they got destroyed at Lakeland.

Well, lets see.  The WLC weight room has been very active this offseason.  Along with a little program called PEP (which is a preformance enhancement program).  Hagel and Miller got beefed.  And it doesnt really matter since both of them are just as comfortable on the three as they are in the post.  And yes it is sad that Kevin is gone, but that only opens up the game to a more team based style of play.  Not that KC was a ball hog, but he was such a strong player that the option to take it to the hole was always there.  If that isnt enough, my inside sources tell me that there is a new WLC frosh who can really bang down in the post: he goes by the name of Pat Kriegel (who has been now enshrined on D3 and cannot let me down). 

QuoteNot to hate on all of your teams.... I have played with some people from MSOE over the summer and i think they will run away with the conference title this year. 
     *WHO are you?  Just because your scrub self played with MSOE during the summer doesnt mean that they will do any damage!  Hey but I played with some guys at the YMCA and they were pretty good, I think they could beat all LMC teams...Hey Showtimeyourzero, stop being ridiculous.

Bust Ya'll

PS- Watch for a new and improved 6th Man this year- 4 words..we got a sponsor.   SORRY BOUT IT
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: 321inandout on October 21, 2005, 03:08:58 PM
I think there will many great conterneders from Lk. MI. Conf.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 23, 2005, 08:48:53 PM
The Way I See It,

Sponsor or no sponsor the 6th man is, always has been, and always will be.....WEAK!! Proclaiming yourself and your handful of buddies that show up for every game of the year does not constitute a 6th man. In fact, until i see differently out of your little group, I will refer to it as the 6th woman. You only get a decent turn out when there is a game that actually means something (and don't tell me i don't know what i am talking about because i have been to plenty of WLC games in the past). You have no notable guard play to speak about; your post only wants to camp and shoot 3's; and you have no go to guy anymore. But i will go on to say that i am going to miss seeing KC cry to the refs. That was worth the admission right there.

Oh and Busty,,,the little Nurses from Marian will definitely finish higher than your beloved WLC. Marian is my sleeper team this year. I just hope that your sponsor for the 6th woman is some sort of beer. Cause you are going to need it after many of those WLC losses....Sorry Bout It!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on October 24, 2005, 11:20:33 PM
Well, The "Gay" Way- I will agree with you on one point: It would be sweet if we had a beer sponsor.  With that said, I think you are on crack.

Now, think about this for a little bit- maybe our post doesnt sit out at the 3 line, but our 6-8 gaurd has a shot from out there?  Can you comprehend that?  And we have at least 4 go to guys.  KC stood out because (sorry guys) he was better then all of our starters now.  But with that said, he wasnt outstandingly better where all the other players just sucked.  Like I said before this will only open up more team play- Look at it like this-  Lewis is the brain- distributing the ball, Stephan is the legs moving the ball quickly, Miller and Hagel are the hands slapping the other teams with the PTS and Kriegel*  will be the muscle to keep it going down low.   

As for the turnout, it is far better then any other school I have attended and makes a far louder noise.  Except by the Baptists in their tin shed, which naturally makes it louder then our ginourmous facility.  And how do you figure KC cried to the refs?  Thats a captain being a leader and showing the refs the errors of their way.  Your telling me Zeck, Mikos or even that Cooper fellow were any better?  You must be another one of the many that KC smoked back in the day-or girlfriend that he got with...either way- Sorry bout the bad feelings.  Its just like when everyone hated Admiral Nelson, and its the same reason everyone hates the Yankees...When your that good people shy away from you. 

Oh and that little Nurses team...I guess I will agree with you on that point too.  Because that is exactly what will happen- they will stay asleep for conference.  Maybe they will pull out an unexpected here and there, but over all finish in the bottom half.

Bust Yall

PS- nice shot with the 6th Woman thing, never heard it before...oh wait, yeah I have from like every other previous poster- way to keep things fresh.  Oh and please send me an update to the "Becoming a 6th Man Rules" since I have seem to have lost mine. 

*Im preclaiming him starting
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 25, 2005, 10:54:16 AM
The Way I See It,

It's good to see Busty is back. I commend him on his enthusiasm for his team as it is unmatched on this board. I question his analysis and commentary though. (Hold for a minute as i need to go snort a fresh line as Busty made it clear of my crack fetish).

Let me make one point clear. I am not a KC hater nor has KC ever showed me up or attempted to get with any of my girlfriends. I didn't question his ability on the court or say he was a bad player.  Nor did i say that nobody else in the league complained either. I merely said i will miss seeing him complain.

And Busty, have you been to the last 6 or 7 games up in lakeland when WLC played? Cause i was there for all of them and the Lakeland contingent by far outnumbered the 6th Woman (most of the times doubling or tripling)! And if you were there you probably left at halftime since most of the games were out of reach already. And don't tell me you guys are loud at your gym either because the size of the gym eats up any noise you guys make. In fact, as a player the noise never really was a factor there.

The only smart move i have seen out of WLC in the last few years was one made by Chris Walls and that being he quit the team and went to work for the Bucks as one of their entertainment guys.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on October 26, 2005, 12:56:11 AM
The "Gay" Way,
Never once did I claim our gym to be loud, I actually do not like our gym since it is about twice as big as it needs to be.  And naturally, a campus that has more then 800 students on it (which is what WLC has) will double, no wait, in fact triple our attendance.  Per capita I would say we bring it strong...and I have never left at halftime for a Warrior game, dont ever defame my name by implying that again. 
Besides...remember that most of us are students, suffice it to say, but the 1 hr trip to Lakeland in under a coons butt Wisconsin, shows dedication.  Our students that go to Lakeland contend with your student section just fine...as a matter of fact, I would say there were days when we annoyed and out cheered you.  Inbetween shucking corn and killing the cows what else can you do besides a Bball game in the middle of that corn field? 

Anywho, this petty argument must end and you must now find a reason why my boys have any less of a chance this year.  And Chris Walls is closer to the NBA then any one of your players ever will get...
 Bust Ya'll
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 26, 2005, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: wlcat on October 26, 2005, 12:56:11 AM
And Chris Walls is closer to the NBA then any one of your players ever will get...
Bust Ya'll

...And for a second there I thought we were talking about D-III basketball...Wow, thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 26, 2005, 10:59:38 AM
The Way I See It

I like Chris Walls. I was giving him a compliment.

Now on a more serious note and all petty nonsense aside, Busty don't kid yourself. WLC is not a post dominant team nor do they have solid post play. Here is a recap of last year's field goals taken by your 'post' players:

Miller: 121 out of 205 shots were 3's (59% of total)
Hagel:  161 out of 296 were 3's (55% of total)
Neither of them averaged more than 5 rebounds a game last year.

That does not constitute post play.

Here is a look at your guards now:

Lewis "the brain" Jiles had 11 more TO's than assists last year. His FG% is good but he lacks the consistent outside shot.
Stephan "legs" Spath cannot shoot outside period (38% FG and a whopping 15% on 3's). And he had the same amount of TO's as assists.

You need guards to be able to shoot outside not the posts. And to top things all off, you have no bench to speak of.

These are solid facts and not opinions. Now if you will excuse me, the corn fields need tending to.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: dropkick11 on October 26, 2005, 11:54:52 AM
Hey what does anyone know about Dominican? New team in the conference...any expectations
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on October 26, 2005, 08:41:07 PM
Dropkick 11,
8 of Dominican's top 9 were freshmen and Sophs(6 frosh, 2 sophs) last year.  If those guys develop things could be alright, we'll see.  Should have decent size upfront, Hejduk is 6-8 in the post.  there should be pretty good competition for playing time with 11 new kids added to the program.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 26, 2005, 08:43:21 PM
If Dominican and Concordia combined basketball teams (their schools are separated by only a few blocks), I think they would still struggle in reaching double digit wins.  Does that help, or was it too vague?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 26, 2005, 08:54:42 PM
Luvd3hoops,

The talant at Weslyen is way gooder than the talant at Arora, specialy this yeer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: roleplaya on October 26, 2005, 10:21:12 PM
Busty is a believer!  WLC is bringing it home this year.  The "gay" Way's ideas of a no post game team have been completely diminished this year.  He won't see that until season, however a presence will be made by Krygiel(previously mispelled as Kriegel), Sorum (who has made huge strides since recovering from injury two years back), or even backup freshman Lemirande.  Wait and see, a guaranteed 12pts. and 7 reb. out of Sorum or Krygiel a game.  Listen to Busty, he knows his team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on October 27, 2005, 01:05:16 AM
"Gay" Way-  You misunderstood me, I do not really believe that we have a true post.  But this is said minus me seeing the new transfer Krygiel play and Sorum's limited role thus far on the team.  I agree with roleplaya that Sorum has made significant gains and will be running the pine not riding it. 
Our big guys can shoot well outside consistent enough to be considered effective.  Thats why Im excited, being a post guy myself, to see if we will have a big boy banger down low.  However, WLC offense doesnt really "allow" our big guys to get rebounds.  I believe Lewis "The Brain" Jiles is probably one of our best rebounders.  The way Skip runs our offense is a little funky much to my dismay, but he sees fit to run it that way.  I mean, he does have a few Conference titles under his belt right?....but thats besides the point. 
The point being, since the departure of Admiral Nelson, WLC has had no true bang around post guy.  I always looked at them as a more flexible hybrid.  Play inside but comfortable with the jay.  Now we can look forward to a more traditional post player out of the two contenders for the starting spot.  Anywho, this dragged on post is about to end.  Hope those fields are ready for the winter....
Bust Ya'll
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: midwestd3 on October 27, 2005, 01:35:23 AM
True Basketball Fan,

I agree with you. Dominican is a team that will easily be a plus 2 on the win side for all of the LMC teams. I know there will be some long bus rides for them. Do you think they will even bother to show-up ? 

Hopefully, they have a soft non-conference schedule before they get to the real deal.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2005, 02:47:12 AM
Um, I'm not looking to wander into your conference's room just to pee in your cornflakes, midwestd3, but I have to tell you that teams from the other leagues in the Midwest Region consider games scheduled against LMC opponents to be a leading indicator of "a soft non-conference schedule", and that no other league in this region (with the possible exception of the SLIAC) would consider the LMC to be "the real deal".

In other words, Dominican coach Mark White would have to move heaven and earth to construct a non-conference schedule that would be considered "soft" by LMC standards. He's scheduled Trinity (TX) and Southwestern on a Texas road trip for this season. Trinity (TX) made it to the Elite Eight last spring before losing to eventual national champion UW-Stevens Point in a game that Pointers fans insist was the toughest test their team faced in the tourney. Southwestern shared the SCAC crown with Trinity (TX) last season. Those teams are "the real deal"; there isn't a team in the LMC that could stay within a dozen points of either one. Dominican's also playing their now-former conference rivals Aurora and Benedictine, and those games will certainly prove to be as tough for them as anything their new LMC leaguemates can dish out.

The NIIC that Dominican is leaving behind is no great shakes either, but it has been on balance a better basketball league than the LMC. Aurora and Benedictine (and, in recent years, Rockford) have been more consistently good than any of the LMC's programs. F'rinstance, no LMC team has ever won an NCAA tournament game in the six years that the league has participated in the tourney. Only once has an LMC team even come within 17 points in an NCAA game (Edgewood's nine-point loss to Gustavus Adolphus in '02). In that six-year span, the NIIC has at least been able to register a win; Aurora won a first-round game in the '03 tourney. And the NIIC even has a bona-fide Elite Eight team to its credit -- Benedictine made it that far back in '91 before eventual national champion UW-Platteville trounced them in the sectional final.

Dominican has its own reasons for leaving the NIIC (reasons which have become largely moot now that most of the LMC and NIIC are merging into one conference), but moving up to a tougher basketball league is not one of them. And, while the Stars are hardly a force to be reckoned with in the greater scheme of the Midwest Region, I'm dead certain that your prediction that they "will easily be a plus-2 on the win side for all the LMC teams" is way off the mark.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 27, 2005, 09:39:55 AM
Greg,
Point taken, but the top of the LMC is on par (in my mind) to the mid to top of the IIAC, and mid WIAC team..I think Edgewood, last year, could have been top 3-4 in the WIAC, top 2-3 in IIAC and top 1-2 in NIIC..no?
Edgewood lost to UW-O by 9, and beat Platteville by 1
What is your opinion on this new conference next year? A ton of conference games, does that hurt or help in your opinion?
By the way, I was the assistant womens coach at Edgewood last year, and am now the assistant at Aurora, for the women.
Thanks!
KP
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 27, 2005, 06:19:51 PM
Lakeland lost by 11 to Point...and the game was a lot closer than that outcome too as Point pulled away in the final minute or so. Could've been closer had it not been scheduled over a school break when no students were around to back Lakeland.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2005, 06:38:26 PM
I'd agree with that, Keith. I had a chance to see Edgewood last season, and I was impressed by them. They definitely struck me as a notch better than the typical LMC front-runner. I don't think that they were quite as good as Aurora, but they would've certainly been competitive with the Spartans.

(Since the IIAC is in the West Region, I didn't bring them up as a point of comparison for the LMC. I think that the LMC and IIAC are roughly parallel for the most part, although the IIAC champ -- i.e., Wartburg or Buena Vista -- tends to be of a higher grade than the LMC champ. That's not much of a badge of honor, though; for the most part, the IIAC is a dreadful league in terms of quality.)

I think that the new conference, whatever it's called, is going to be a real plus for the teams from the LMC and the NIIC. For one thing, the league's visibility will improve by the sheer weight of numbers. For another, even though I don't expect the overall quality of basketball as a whole to markedly improve as a result, the idea that the top programs of the current LMC and the top programs of the current NIIC will have to play each other twice apiece is a good thing indeed. Of course, that presumes that the mandarins of the new league will choose to implement a double round-robin format in spite of the league's size. If they choose to set up a schedule that's something less than a double round-robin -- if, like the MWC, they shorten the conference season by only having certain teams play each other once instead of twice -- it will devalue the new league. Why? Because the NIIC doesn't have the LMC's parity. It's very lopsided. Aurora and Benedictine are, year after year, at the top, and Concordia (IL) has been stuck at the bottom since the early nineties. As I said, Rockford was able to compete evenly with the two traditional NIIC powers in recent seasons, but now that Bill Lavery has vacated the coaching spot it's questionable as to whether or not the Regents will be able to sustain that level.

To sum up: If teams like Edgewood and Concordia (WI) will have to play Aurora and Benedictine twice every season, the merger will definitely improve the quality at the top of the new league. Of course, the size of the new league means that everyone will have to give up some non-conference games, so it's also important that a program like Edgewood's strives to keep as many top-notch non-conf games (read: games against WIAC and CCIW foes) on the docket as possible.

If, however, there are seasons in which a former LMC team only has to play Aurora or Benedictine once rather than twice (a la the MWC's less-than-double round-robin) while its former LMC rivals have to face the Spartans and Eagles twice apiece, it'll be a bad thing for the new league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on October 28, 2005, 01:33:36 AM
I think what you're going to see is that the new conference will be basically like having these two leagues separated into divisions, like a north and a south division.

It would be kind of unfortunate for it to be done this way, because then most likely you will see division teams playing each other twice, then a single match between non-divisional teams, much like the Big East has done in D-I.

I say this is unfortunate because of the fact that most of these teams already schedule ONE non-conference game against each other. It's just that the stakes are a little higher.

With the teams being spread more north and south than east and west, it'll be more difficult to divide it into East and West divisions. Although who knows, I'm not on the committee, but I think it'd be unfortunate to have a new conference with LMC and NIIC divisions, I mean what's the point really in that scenario?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2005, 02:17:49 AM
Your hypothetical scenario is what I'm afraid will happen, Big_Uns, because as you imply it won't really improve things. All it'll do is remove Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia (IL), and Rockford from the Pool B ranks. Unless the good teams in the as-yet-unnamed new league have to play each other twice apiece, there's little or no competitive benefit to the merger.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2005, 09:36:26 AM
Re: the LMC-NIIC merger, I can see some advantages for sports other than basketball.

The NIIC and LMC will benefit from having enough schools towards getting AQ's in other sports.  I believe the NCAA is moving towards conference AQ's in Tennis and maybe even Golf and Cross Country.  I have seen cryptic comments in NCAA press releases that I construe to imply that.

Also, not much has been said about the move by Eureka to the SLAIC, but the move by Lincoln Christian to the NCAA and its joining the SLIAC made then logical travel partners.  For Eureka, I guess that the question was St Louis or Chicago?  That question is more a Cubbies /Cardinals one, but Eureka must have seen an advantage in mission and vision.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigregg on October 30, 2005, 03:34:55 PM
Aurora is going to be able to play with anyone.  The tempo and type of style they play gets teams to play off balance.  They were an inch away from knocking off a Weslyan team that was pretty hyped last year.  I'll admit that it was the first game of the season, but both teams improved over the course of the year.  The team may take a handful of games to gel, but once they do they can compete with anyone.  Like I said before, they'll have to rebound and they're undersized, but if they can overcome that and play the type of game that most Aurora teams do, they'll be tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on October 31, 2005, 11:57:57 AM
The Way I See It

Roleplaya, my 'gay' way of your no post game has not been diminished one bit. WLC hasn't proved anything yet. Show me in the games and maybe then i will retract my comments. But until then, keep wishing.

Gregory,
I too had a chance to see Edgewood last year and have been familiar with the LMC for the last 5 or 6 years and have played against Edgewood. That team last year was not even close to teams they have had there in the past 5 years. There was no guard play whatsoever there last year. If you throw in a Luke Sadowski or Randy Kolinske from past years, then you have got yourself a team that is a notch better than the normal front runner. The LMC was down last year and Edgewood benefited from that. It has worked in the past years where the LMC regular season champ has not gotten into the NCAA Tournament:
2001 - Marian (4th seed) Edgewood was the 1 and had a good team.
2002 - Edgewood (3rd seed)
2003 - MSOE (6th seed) Lakeland was the 1 and had probably one of the better teams in the LMC since WLC in the late 90's.
2004 - Lakeland (3rd seed)Concordia was the 1 and had fairly good and well-balanced team.

Enough with that analogy now though because i do have to agree with you on the whole north/south division. These leagues need to do something to spice things up because the WIAC league snatches up any player in Wisconsin that has talent. There are some exceptions where a player slips through the cracks and lands in this league. But overall (not sure how it is in the NIIC) the LMC gets the leftovers from the WIAC. New teams and new rivalries can only increase the appeal of these leagues.



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2005, 11:13:37 PM
I only see LMC teams once a year, at most. That one Edgewood game I saw provided the basis for my evaluation; if you see them more often than do I, you're in a better position to judge them relative to previous seasons.

Your point about the LMC tourney rehashes a complaint that has been raised in this room more than once -- which is that, for a weak conference such as the LMC that has no hope whatsoever of garnering a Pool C bid due to perennially poor non-conference performance across the board, there is absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by holding a conference tournament. All it does is heighten the risk of the best team in the conference (presumably, the team that proved itself over the regular season, i.e., the regular-season champion) having an off-night, getting knocked off, and missing out on the NCAAs while an inferior team that had one or two hot nights late in February gets the conference's lone bid and gets treated like snack food by a top team from a tougher conference.

Conference tournaments are all the rage, but apart from giving everyone a chance to play an extra game or two I don't see how it serves the best interests of a league like the LMC. It's more than likely not a moneymaker (as are D1 mid-major-conference tourneys), and it often prevents the league from putting its best team into the NCAAs. And when you're one of D3's lesser conferences, you need to put your best foot forward in March by putting your best team in the big dance.

I dunno, though -- maybe most LMC people like having a conference tournament. But it definitely hurts them in the national scheme of things.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bizrizzo on November 01, 2005, 11:02:14 PM
gregory:

as a former fan in the LMC, i loved the conf. tourney.  It made the regular season champ prove their title, and gave everyone else, the baptists included, .  the marian upseta chance to go dancing a few years back was one for the ages, and that is what makes college sports so great.  if a reg. season champ can't pull it off in the tourney, (i dont buy the "off night" excuse), then should they be reppin' the LMC?

and true, the tourney is not a huge money maker, but the kids obviously do it for the love of playing.  so let them, and us fans, enjoy one last hooray of the bball season.

biz-natch

p.s. everyone else sucks, 'specially the edgewood bird flu.  wlc takes the title with the largest 6th man backing ever, minus yours truly.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigregg on November 02, 2005, 10:36:43 PM
Aurora 79  Augie 72   in scrimage played at Augie tonight.  Spartans played a quick game and beat an improved Augie team.  Good start for Aurora even if it's preseason.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on November 02, 2005, 11:40:30 PM
Good start for Aurora, beating the preseason #2 team in the CCIW.  Nothing against Aurora, they are a very good team and should have another great year.....However, maybe Augie isn't as good as people (coaches in the CCIW) think they are.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 04, 2005, 12:39:05 AM
Quote from: bizrizzo on November 01, 2005, 11:02:14 PM
gregory:

as a former fan in the LMC, i loved the conf. tourney. 

You're no longer a fan?  That's a tragic loss to both the LMC and this board!  :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on November 05, 2005, 11:00:36 PM
LMC Media Day, hosted by Lakeland College this year, is comming up on Thursday, November 10.  The preseason picks will all be announced then.

Anyone here have their pics?

1-8 and then preseason POY?

1.  Edgewood
2.  MSOE
3.  CUW
4.  Lakeland
5.  Marian
6.  WLC
7.  Dominican
8.  Maranatha

POY 
The ageless wonder who has been in school longer than I have...and Im a 6th year super duper senior!!!

Seth Cooper

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on November 06, 2005, 10:47:32 AM
Good picks.  However, you are way off in one area.  Dominican will finish below Maranatha, they are both dreadful, but Dominican is worse.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bizrizzo on November 08, 2005, 11:32:19 AM
old school,

i was a former fan in the lmc, not a former fan of the lmc.  since i am no longer a student, i thought i had made it clear that despite my graduation, i am still a fan of the lmc. hope that clears it up.

and since i'm here, i'll throw down my pre-season picks.

1. green whites
2. mequonians
3. bird flu
4. engineers
5. crapies
6. nurses
7. friars
8. baptists

poy--u guessed it, bj miller time

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 09, 2005, 11:58:57 PM
Well, if you flip the M and moved it in front of the L you'd be right about your affiliation.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on November 10, 2005, 06:12:57 PM
2005-06 Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches Poll

#1 Edgewood College
#2 Concordia University
#3 Milwaukee School of Engineering
#4 Lakeland College
#5 Marian College
     Wisconsin Lutheran College
#7 Dominican University
#8 Maranatha Baptist Bible College

WOW, I  guess I was right on the nose, almost. 

2005-06 Men's Basketball Preseason All-LMC Team

Charlie Averkamp        Sophomore      Edgewood
Seth Cooper                 Senior              Edgewood
Brian Hagel                  Junior               Wisconsin Lutheran
Germayne James          Senior              Lakeland College
Jeff Mikos                    Senior              MSOE
Scott Murphy               Sophomore      MSOE
Matt Peets                    Senior              Concordia
Titus Redmond             Junior               Marian
Kris Saiberlich              Sophomore      Lakeland College
Jordan Van Ess            Sophomore      Marian
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2005, 09:37:26 PM
Aurora should be the favorite in the Lee Pfund Tourney this weekend.

2005 ASC-West Tri-champ McMurry (TX) lost seniors Michael Qualls (#2 guard, usually off the bench for his 3pt shot),  Matt Autry (a defensive #3), 4 yr letterman Kelon Lewis (a #4).

As an optimistic McMurry fan, I would like to say that Aurora is catching them at a good time, but McMurry is not taking Aurora lightly.  I can imagine that Aurora will be as tough or tougher than anyone we play, even playing at Mississippi College in December.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 16, 2005, 10:01:32 PM
The Pfund sounds like a tournament full of teams with question marks.  Aurora returns sophomore phenom Larry Welton (20.1 ppg, 7.6 rpb), but they did lose their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers (and most of their perimeter threat), Adam McCoy (16.0 ppg) and Drew Gronau (12.1 ppg).  These two combined to shoot 390 3's last year...64% of the Aurora's total 3's on the year.

Aurora has a great post player in 6-6 Welton, a nice complimentary forward in 6-5, athletic Jeremy Cartright, and a really steady point-guard in Courtney Carson.  I agree the Spartans are the favorite in the Lee Pfund , but they do have a couple big holes to fill.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:26:43 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:27:38 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: u_of_a_alum on November 17, 2005, 04:41:47 PM
I don't think that the LMC preseason poll is very accurate.  What does anybody in this conference know about Dominican.  I find it hard to believe that they don't have one pre-season All-LMC selection.  Do you think it was just that the coaches in the LMC don't know enough about Dominican yet or do they really think that not one player on their roster is deserving of all-conference honors.  They had an extremely young team last year and someone like Pedersen was all-conference honorable mention as a sophomore in a better basketball conference (the NIIC).  What's everybody's thoughts on the pre-season polls?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 18, 2005, 02:45:50 PM
I think you're probably right that unfamiliarity played a hand in not getting any Stars chosen. But I also know that there were teams that played Dominican in non-conference games last year so they weren't completely unfamiliar with the team. Who knows why they got snubbed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: u_of_a_alum on November 18, 2005, 04:58:48 PM
Dominican did play a couple of LMC teams last year (Lakeland and Marian).  They played both games very short-handed though with only seven guys dressed for one of the games.  But Lakeland cannot have forgotten a thunderous tip-dunk by Binyamin Jones not to mention that they have a few transfers that should be considered for all-conference by the end of the year.

It will be interesting with games tipping off shortly to see what everyone has...I know I'm excited.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2005, 09:10:21 PM
WETN says the other game (Aurora vs McMurry TX) went a little long.

No score given, but must be OT. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2005, 09:35:23 PM
WETN broadcasters did not give the score of the Aurora-McMurry game. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lmcfan33 on November 19, 2005, 01:59:51 PM
How about Marian representin the LMC last night?! they held a 20+ point lead in the first half against Ripon and ended up winning by 8 (the first victory by the LMC in this tourney in at least three years)...too bad the Baptists didn't fare as well, getting anihilated by Beloit by 40! we'll see if that can change tonight as the game matchups switch. any other season opener news from the LMC??
Maybe the Concordian god Ryan Wietor will make another appearance as he did last night...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on November 19, 2005, 03:09:54 PM
How about the new look Con-u Cougars and an impressive win yesterday???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 08:38:38 PM
Very good broadcast on the CU-W website.

McMurry TX 78, CU-W 58, 14 minutes left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 09:29:57 PM
Final score, McMurry TX 115, Concordia-WI 99.

CU-W's Matt Menzl did an outstanding job!

It was truly a pleasure, Matt, and good luck with your career in broadcasting. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on November 20, 2005, 04:46:35 AM
Just letting everyone know Dominican won two this weekend to help out the LMC(both against the SLIAC).  I'd be surprised if this is a 7th place team in the LMC, but I guess the coaches know best.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on November 20, 2005, 05:07:25 AM
Quote from: budder on November 20, 2005, 04:46:35 AM
Just letting everyone know Dominican won two this weekend to help out the LMC(both against the SLIAC).  I'd be surprised if this is a 7th place team in the LMC, but I guess the coaches know best (and TBF).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on November 20, 2005, 05:39:55 PM
The Way I See It,

Don't everybody get their undies in a bundle. Worrying about preseason rankings is like worrying about the first BCS poll that comes out each season. Let the schedules play out and then we can talk about the only balloting that matters at the end of the year.

Quite a few key wins for the LMC right off the bat. Marian beats Ripon and Lakeland beats Lake Forest on the road. Is this maybe a sign of things to come for the LMC? Stay tuned.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 21, 2005, 04:56:30 AM
The LMC has a new star to watch. MSOE has a d2 transfer from UW- Superior named Floyd Bayiha. This kid is the real deal. And my opinion is MSOE fares very well in the LMC this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2005, 05:56:53 AM
Quote from: fcnews on November 21, 2005, 04:56:30 AM
The LMC has a new star to watch. MSOE has a d2 transfer from UW- Superior named Floyd Bayiha.

How can he be a D2 transfer from UW-Superior, FCnews? It's a D3 school.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 21, 2005, 11:52:26 AM
Lakeland has a transfer from D-I Marquette. What's your point?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 21, 2005, 02:04:27 PM
I stand corrected Sager. Listening to a fan and not verifying details leads to inaccurate posts. Either way great player.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lmcfan33 on November 21, 2005, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on November 21, 2005, 11:52:26 AM
Lakeland has a transfer from D-I Marquette. What's your point?

lakeland's big D-I transfer played in only 8 games for marquette, averaging 1.4 minutes in those 8 games, he didn't even start for lakeland on saturday and only played 15 minutes with 3 points....

what's YOUR point Big_Uns??
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on November 21, 2005, 07:05:18 PM
The Way I See It,

BigUns point was only to show a transferring player from a higher division (which isn't even the case since it is a D3 school) doesn't necessarily lead to great production. He simply pointed out that Lakeland had a D1 transfer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on November 22, 2005, 12:42:00 AM
Dominican beat #22 Aurora 68-64, running their record to 3-0.  Good win against a top 25 team
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2005, 12:56:49 AM
Quote from: budder on November 22, 2005, 12:42:00 AM
Dominican beat #22 Aurora 68-64, running their record to 3-0. Good win against a top 25 team

Where is TBF when you need him?  :D

Fantastic win by Dominican, one made even sweeter by the fact that it occurred on Aurora's home court. For my money it's the best victory that the Stars have achieved since they joined the ranks of the NCAA. Congrats to Mark White and his team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on November 22, 2005, 01:21:40 AM
Good question, where is TBF?

It was a great win, hopefully the team can keep it going this weekend at Illinois College
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 22, 2005, 01:13:35 PM
Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2005, 07:05:18 PM
The Way I See It,

BigUns point was only to show a transferring player from a higher division (which isn't even the case since it is a D3 school) doesn't necessarily lead to great production. He simply pointed out that Lakeland had a D1 transfer.

Thank you, The Way.


As for Dominican, it looks early like they indeed did deserve many more props in the preseason polls. Whoever brought this up a week ago should be deemed prognosticator of the week.

The LMC has its first conference game tonight when the Baptists visit Lakeland. Lakeland should win this game hands down, and should be a nice, dare I say, tune-up game for when the UWs make the trip to The Cornfield Friday and Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2005, 02:30:25 PM
Any thoughts from the LMC faithful, or more importantly, the Lakeland contingent on this weekend's games vs. La Crosse and Point?  La Crosse is a much improved team and is considered a sleeper by most fans and posters in the WIAC.  I believe the fish beat them last year.  2-time defending champs come in on Saturday with a new face.  Gone are four senior starters and two all-americans.  LC gave them a run for their money last year and could pull out a win on Saturday.  I'm looking foward to seeing Saturday's matchup in Lakeland's new gym. 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 22, 2005, 02:55:57 PM
Well you're definitely looking at a couple of interesting matchups with those two games. Lakeland's defense seems to have improved quite a bit, having held Lake Forest under 50 points. LC only did that once all of last year. They created something like 20 turnovers and only had seven turnovers themselves.

They won despite a rather cold shooting night. That's something that didn't happen too much last year.

No doubt that Saiberlich and Howard need to hit their threes and James needs to cause disruption with the dribble in order for the Muskies to hang. I would imagine both games will be quite good.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: unctarheel on November 22, 2005, 04:07:04 PM
There were some big wins for the LMC over the weekend. We could have another one tonight when EC knocks off Platteville. I don't know much about the two teams they played in Cali, but tonight should be a good barometer of where they are at.
My picks for the year:
1-EC
2-WLC
3-CU
4-MSOE
5-Lakeland
6-Marian
7-Dominican (dark horse)
8-MB
The man in the middle for EC takes home POY honors...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneerbacker on November 22, 2005, 04:07:45 PM
Don't forget the UW-Platteville/Edgewood contest tonight.  Any thoughts from the Eagle or LMC fans?  Platteville showed some good things this past weekend, but I think they are still finding their identity with all the new faces.  I think Platteville wins a close one and erases that agonizing loss to the Edgedome, I mean the Eagles, from a year ago.  
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 22, 2005, 11:04:44 PM
Platteville over Edgewood 74-49
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: da_foreigner on November 22, 2005, 11:33:35 PM
Another big night for the LMC over a NIIC team on the road.  MSOE wins against Rockford 86-77.  The Mikos-Bayiha backcourt put up mamoth stats to lead the Raiders to a 3-0 start.  Saturday night could be interesting against Lawrence; who I believe just knocked off the Oshkosh Titans in OT.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneerbacker on November 23, 2005, 10:13:48 AM
unctarheel,
what does last night's game between UW-P/Edgewood tell you?  I think if you get the Eagles out of their nest, they become a different team.  I know players have bad games, but Edgewood was clanking everything they tossed up last night.  I was expecting a close game between the league favorite in the LMC and a "middle-runner" in the WIAC.  I guess we'll roll the dice again next year when we play the Edgedome.     
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 23, 2005, 01:43:09 PM
I was quite surprised at that Edgewood/UW-Platteville score. I expected Edgewood to be a bit better than that. As for other teams, Lakeland destroyed Maranatha 88-46 and look like they might have a chance to take care of business this weekend against La Crosse and Point. MSOE is looking very good. We'll see how they do against Lawrence. Interesting weekend across the board in the LMC ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2005, 02:04:23 PM
As Pioneerbacker said, it sounds like Edgewood is a totally different team when they are playing outside the Edgedome or whatever you guys call that thing!  ;)  With that said, I'm a bit weary when Point comes to Madison at the end of January.

Try not to confuse Maranatha Baptist, a perennial bottom feeder in one of the worst conferences, to La Crosse and Point! lol.  La Crosse is a sleeper in the WIAC this year and may actually do better than Point, who basically lost everyone from their two national championship teams.  Granted, Point looked pretty good, at times, in their opener, but they are pretty young and we'll see how they react outside of Quandt this weekend.

Looking foward to this weekend, maybe I'll run into some of you fish fans at the new gym on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 23, 2005, 03:19:06 PM
Oh don't worry about me confusing MBBC with Point and LaX. I figured Lakeland would handle MBBC pretty easily, but not that much. Lakeland has so far forced 45 turnovers in two games. The defense seems to be outstanding.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneerbacker on November 23, 2005, 03:42:20 PM
Lakeland's problem coming into this weekend is they are running into two teams that have something to prove.  Point didn't get any "love" this preseason and LaCrosse is poised to make a run in the WIAC (and a strong preseason is necessary going into conference play).  I expect Lakeland to have their hands full with these two teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 23, 2005, 04:56:06 PM
With the amount of disparity between the public and private schools, it's interesting to me that you chose to say Lakeland will have its hands full with those two teams, and not vice versa.

Not to mention, these private schools ALWAYS have something to prove when the public schools come to town, no matter what sport they're playing. I tip my hat to Lawrence for having such a strong basketball program, and especially for beating Oshkosh last night. Very impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2005, 05:51:26 PM
ahhh...the great public vs. private school debate.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bino5j on November 23, 2005, 06:08:03 PM
Did you see that Domincan knocked off #22 ranked Aurora? I don't know about you guys but I think that DU will be a sleeper and a team to watch in the LMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bino5j on November 23, 2005, 06:45:19 PM
Did you see that Dominican knocked off #22 ranked Aurora? I don't know about you guys but I think that DU will be a sleeper and a team to watch in the LMC. :) Everybody has put this team down and they are even selected to finish second to last in the LMC. The win over Aurora should open some eyes and I feel as if they finally deserve some respect. Don't be suprised if you see Dominican beat up on a lot of people and make it to the national tournament. This just might be their year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2005, 06:55:57 PM
You opened up a new thread just for Dominican?  Seriously dude, you need help. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on November 24, 2005, 11:37:28 AM
From the start it looks like Lakeland, Edgewood, Dominican, and MSOE will fight for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.  Marian and Concordia will be in the middle -- and WLC and Maranatha will be keeping the bottom warm all year.

I personally think MSOE's gaurds look pretty tuff from the start.  If they stay healthy and don't turn over the ball 15 times a game --- people will have serious problems.  Their post play is a little suspect, but its producing thus far.

Not to jump all over the MSOE - LU game on Saturday, but if MSOE wins -- I would think they would deserve to be ranked or at least get some votes.  I think LU's gaurds are in for a hurtin.  I dont know if MSOE can stop that Braier kid though... he looks to be pretty tuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2005, 01:06:31 PM
That's a big if for a team that has gone 36-48 the past three-plus years. I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 24, 2005, 01:59:16 PM
I have a feeling you and MSOE are going to be in for a long day against Lawrence. There are few teams around this area with as good of ball movement and shot selection as LU. I saw that a few years ago when Lakeland played them in the NCAAs. Here's to hoping MSOE proves me wrong, but as they say, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled first.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 24, 2005, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on November 24, 2005, 11:37:28 AM
Not to jump all over the MSOE - LU game on Saturday, but if MSOE wins -- I would think they would deserve to be ranked or at least get some votes.  I think LU's gaurds are in for a hurtin.  I dont know if MSOE can stop that Braier kid though... he looks to be pretty tuff.

It's amazing how many people think when "their team" wins, they should be ranked.  They may not even get any votes, maybe a few if they knock off Lawrence, who of course, knocked off Oshkosh.  But seriously.  I think Dominican will get votes before MSOE does.  So, MSOE, or any LMC team for that matter, is going to go from zero votes to 115 in two weeks?  Yeah.

I think MacGillis is a guard, shooting guard, and he's real good.  I don't see too many teams stopping Briar.  The guy is only 6'4", but he's a stud and may get some All-American considerations. 

It's early and Concordia was picked 2nd by the SIDs.  So, I wouldn't count them out.   MSOEs guards will need to be tough because Larry U put the smack down on Oshkosh's guards and forced a lot of turnovers. 

Lawrence will probably win by double-digits.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 24, 2005, 09:26:20 PM
My guess is that if the #2 team can't stop Briar I highly doubt MSOE can. Bottom line. I'm not exactly sure what position he plays, but when Old School mentioned that he's ONLY 6'4" my first reaction is that he's a post player. Lawrence really hasn't been a team that is taller than a lot of other teams, but they know how to bang around in the paint and get after everything no matter who they play.

Old School's right on. Double digits for sure, I'm guessing more than 15.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneerbacker on November 25, 2005, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Big_Uns on November 23, 2005, 04:56:06 PM
With the amount of disparity between the public and private schools, it's interesting to me that you chose to say Lakeland will have its hands full with those two teams, and not vice versa.

Not to mention, these private schools ALWAYS have something to prove when the public schools come to town, no matter what sport they're playing. I tip my hat to Lawrence for having such a strong basketball program, and especially for beating Oshkosh last night. Very impressive.

My comment had nothing to do with public vs. private, but it had a lot to do with Point and LaCrosse both needing to play strong throughout the preseason to gear up for conference play (I just believe Lakeland is running into two, determined teams).  Likewise, I understand it's always a big game when a public and private team meet; however, the view from the WIAC is a little more long-term than one game.  While the LMC may rejoice after beating a WIAC team you don't get any championship banners or rings for these wins.  You do get rings for winning games that matter, in March!  Lawrence is a great team, and I bet as nice as the win was over Oshkosh, they will prefer wins in the tourney.     
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: titan2000 on November 25, 2005, 11:10:58 AM
I hope LU gets a shot at a WIAC team again in the tourney. 

I know our season ended in the final 8 and the final 16 vs. Point the last 2 years, I think 3 is the charm.  After all, Point did roll and win both years, probably because of their pit of a home court.



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 25, 2005, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: titan2000 on November 25, 2005, 11:10:58 AM
I hope LU gets a shot at a WIAC team again in the tourney. 

I know our season ended in the final 8 and the final 16 vs. Point the last 2 years, I think 3 is the charm.  After all, Point did roll and win both years, probably because of their pit of a home court.

Point had just as many home games in the tournament as Lawrence did in 2003-2004.

Quote from: Big_Uns on November 23, 2005, 04:56:06 PM
With the amount of disparity between the public and private schools, it's interesting to me that you chose to say Lakeland will have its hands full with those two teams, and not vice versa.

Not to mention, these private schools ALWAYS have something to prove when the public schools come to town, no matter what sport they're playing. I tip my hat to Lawrence for having such a strong basketball program, and especially for beating Oshkosh last night. Very impressive.

I'll have to disagree.  I went to a private school and, me personally, I didn't feel any more desire to beat a big private school than I did when I wanted to beat anyone else, except a conference rival.  I think one of the only reasons why there is this perception (whether true or not) to "allows have something to prove"  against the big bad public schools of Wisconsin is because the WIAC is considered one of the best conferences in the nation, period.  If there is any truth to this, it may come in NCAA tourney time.  I don't think Marquette gets real excited when it beats it's public school counterpart and fellow Milwaukee native, UW-Milwaukee.  If the WIAC and the schools consisting of the WIAC weren't all that good (overall) year in and year out, I don't think it would matter that much to beat them.

Of course, I could totally be wrong.   ::)

And I'll agree with Pioneerbacker.  These teams in the LMC and the MWC are trying to gain respect for their teams and conferences.  I think playing teams from the WIAC gives them more to play for because they want to beat these teams to gain respect.  I don't think it has anything to do with public vs. private.  I think if these teams were playing Ahmerst or Ill. Wesleyan, their feelings would still be the same because, although private, they are both perennial powers in solid conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 25, 2005, 12:23:35 PM
Private schools elsewhere with success in the past as state/national powers may not feel much importance in beating a public school. Like your Marquette analogy...Marquette has had tons of success in the past. However, in the LMC, which is still young by NCAA standards (only 10 years in Division III or less? I'm not sure when all these schools officially joined), I think there is a little bit of heightened importance in beating the WIAC schools. The LMC is weak by all accounts with no wins yet in the NCAAs, which means that any win in a non-conference regular season game against a WIAC school means there is hope for that first tournament win by an LMC team. That's my opinion at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 25, 2005, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Pioneerbacker on November 25, 2005, 10:40:59 AM
My comment had nothing to do with public vs. private, but it had a lot to do with Point and LaCrosse both needing to play strong throughout the preseason to gear up for conference play

Sigh. See, Tom? My work is never done. :D

It's non-conference, Pioneerbacker, not preseason. All games played since last Friday night count towards a team's record. Games between LMC and WIAC teams are especially important, because they're in-region games. As far as the NCAA tournament's selection criteria are concerned, a game between Lakeland and UW-LaCrosse is just as important as a game between Lakeland and Edgewood, or between UW-LaCrosse and UW-Stout.

Quote from: Big_Uns on November 25, 2005, 12:23:35 PM
Private schools elsewhere with success in the past as state/national powers may not feel much importance in beating a public school. Like your Marquette analogy...Marquette has had tons of success in the past. However, in the LMC, which is still young by NCAA standards (only 10 years in Division III or less? I'm not sure when all these schools officially joined), I think there is a little bit of heightened importance in beating the WIAC schools. The LMC is weak by all accounts with no wins yet in the NCAAs, which means that any win in a non-conference regular season game against a WIAC school means there is hope for that first tournament win by an LMC team. That's my opinion at least.

Also, the public vs. private analogy is completely irrelevant in D1 terms, because D1 players are on scholarship. The whole tuition issue that dominates the arguments between pro-WIAC and anti-WIAC types doesn't exist among followers of, say, Marquette and UW-Milwaukeee.

The LMC first became a full-membership D3 conference in 1999-2000 and sent its first-ever team to the D3 tourney in March of 2000.

I'm not a fan of an LMC team, but I suspect that Big_Uns is right. Knocking off a WIAC team isn't huge for an LMC team and its followers because of the public vs. private thing in Wisconsin. It's big because the WIAC is the top dog in D3, and beating their teams is particularly a matter of pride and prestige for teams from a lightly-regarded conference such as the LMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2005, 12:13:09 AM
I think we are on the same lines, it's more of a matter of the reputation of the WIAC and the lack thereof towards the LMC, not necessarily public vs. private.

I can't believe even a fellow WIACer would call it a preseason game!

Point comes to the cornfields tomorrow night.  Lakeland lost to La Crosse tonight, while Point took care of Ripon.  Teams swap opponents tomorrow.  Looking forward to seeing the new gym at my alma mater...though I'm still a Pointer fan.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2005, 12:28:38 AM
LMC triple header!

1 pm Eau Claire vs Concordia at the WLC tourney

3 pm Larry U at MSOE

7 pm Stevens Point at Lakeland

I must be really bored.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mnelson on November 26, 2005, 04:20:11 PM
Is anyone else trying to listen to the webcast of the Lawrence - MSOE basketball game? All I get is garbled sound. Might anyone know if MSOE is broadcasting the game from their campus station, or if there is at least a live stats page somewhere? Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: da_foreigner on November 26, 2005, 04:50:15 PM
Half time score at Kern Center

LU 31 - MSOE 26

Tight first half, MSOE down by  double digits early then made run midway through half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: titan2000 on November 26, 2005, 05:30:10 PM
Can you keep posting updates ?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: da_foreigner on November 26, 2005, 05:39:45 PM
Final Score LU 74 - MSOE 53

LU pulled away with about 12mins left in the 2nd.  Ultimately LU had too much size inside.  Very nice crowd in the Kern tonight; almost a full house.  Do the Lawrence supporters always travel like this?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: titan2000 on November 26, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
We try to travel as much as we can.  Several players from the MKE area so they bring their friends and family too.   Braier from Tosa, Kroeger from Nicolet, etc.

They play at WI Lutheran next week if you want to see them again. 

Thanks for the quick update.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2005, 03:00:49 AM
After watching the LMC triple header today:  Eau Claire over Concordia, Larry U over MSOE and the Fish over my dawgs, Lakeland is by far the best of the three. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 27, 2005, 04:18:24 AM
LC shot 56 percent against the defending champs. Pretty much shows how dangerous that team can be when they heat up.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lu_nut on November 27, 2005, 10:54:08 AM
Old School,

I give you a lot of credit for hitting three games.  I only saw the MSOE/Lawrence game.  I admit that I have not seen Lakeland,  but would be glad to bet a shinny nickel that LU blows them away if they meet down the road.  LU was out of synch, but still won by 20 on MSOE's home court.  Last time they played Lakeland, it was a 35 point blow out.  All teams play to their level of competition to some degree.......do you really think that Lakeland could beat Oshkosh?  Point is going to be very up and down with all the losses and the coaching change.  Home court is also a big deal.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 27, 2005, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: lu_nut on November 27, 2005, 10:54:08 AM
.......do you really think that Lakeland could beat Oshkosh?

It's not out of the question. Lakeland competed very well against a La Crosse team many have picked as a sleeper in the WIAC. I'm willing to bet Lakeland still has a better team than MSOE and would at least hang with Oshkosh or Lawrence if they played today. LC's defense is playing great so far this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lu_nut on November 27, 2005, 10:10:59 PM
Big Uns

No argument with me....I was reacting to the comment that Lakeland was by far the best of the three.  On a good day, they might give LU a good run.  LU's strength is D.  Sounds like Lakeland's strength is the same.  Until someone from the LMC  gives LU a real test, I will have a hard time picking anyone from the conference over them.

How do you or Old School view the Tuesday game between LU and Wisc Lutheran???? It is at Lutheran.

LU
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2005, 03:31:06 AM
Just a quick note and I'll be more indepth later, just a little tired now.  My point of Lakeland being "by far" the best team amongst the LMC teams I saw is in regards to comparing those teams, not against LU or Oshkosh or whatever. 

Of course, take this how you want since it's the first time I have seen Concordia (vs. Eau Claire), MSOE (vs. Larry U) and Lakeland (vs. Point).  Eau Claire is supposed to be one of the worst teams in the WIAC and that game vs. Concordia made my friend and I feel like we wasted $5 to go to the WLC tourney.  And no, we didn't bother seeing WLC.  To put  it in simple words, it looked like a clusterf@#k out there.  Eau Claire's two big men had major foul problems.  Concordia had issues all over the place and didn't even look like they were "setting up" any plays.  It was real hard to watch.

MSOE gave it all they could against LU, at one point, they were only down 25-24 or something like that.   I didn't think LU would lose and after they went on a run to end the half, I knew it would take a miracle for MSOE to come back.  Unlike Concordia, MSOE looked like they had some kind of game plan.  Their big guy in the middle, #43 looked pretty decent.  They shot well at times and actually moved the ball around.  LU was just too much for them and they had no answer for Mr. Chris Braier.

Lakeland looked the best of the three because they played awesome defense against my Pointers, ran plays, were patient and had players that could hit shots.  There was never a time when Lakeland had a player that thought he could just go coast to coast or think he was "the man" or anything.  It was very team oriented and well coached.  I give Lakeland all the credit for playing well.

MSOE got Superior transfer Flyod Bayiha.  He was LMC player of the week last week and that obviously got to his head.  Here he is going coast to coast, launching up ridiculous shots and turning the ball over.  It actually seemed like when MSOE put together some good possessions, he'd come in and ruin it by just hogging the ball.  He's what I'd like to call a black hole.  The ball disappears when he gets it.

I thought I read that Concordia is one of the favorites to win the LMC.  Well, I'll give Lakeland the nod.  But, as you said, sometimes you play up to the level of your competition.  Lakeland lost to La Crosse the night before, so I'm just telling you what I saw. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2005, 03:33:07 AM
In the first day of the WLC tourney, I read that Eau Claire beat WLC by 11 or something like that.  If it's in WLC, I'll give Larry U a 18 point spread.  If it's in Appleton, I'll give them a 25 point spread.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneerbacker on November 28, 2005, 09:34:50 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 26, 2005, 12:13:09 AM
I think we are on the same lines, it's more of a matter of the reputation of the WIAC and the lack thereof towards the LMC, not necessarily public vs. private.

I can't believe even a fellow WIACer would call it a preseason game!


That was just a mistype on my part.  I'm fully aware and competent concerning the importance of the nonconference games, and I understand the point (Gregory Sagery) about games meaning the same between LMC schools and WIAC schools and all the in-region games. 
         
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2005, 01:17:21 PM
Pioneerbacker,

Just giving you a little rubbing.   ;D  It's all good.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 28, 2005, 01:26:41 PM
Quote from: lu_nut on November 27, 2005, 10:10:59 PM

How do you or Old School view the Tuesday game between LU and Wisc Lutheran???? It is at Lutheran.


I'm down on WLC this year. I have no background on teams like Whitworth, Grace Bible, or really any of the teams WLC has lost to this year, but an 0-4 start isn't good anytime. They seem to be able to put up points but they have no defense. Lawrence is very balanced on both ends of the court, and I'm giving LU the nod by at least 20.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 28, 2005, 04:29:28 PM
Was wondering from WLC or Concordia fans if you could enlighten me on what to expect from the Rockford team this year. Anyone that saw either game anything would be appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 28, 2005, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: Pioneerbacker on November 28, 2005, 09:34:50 AMThat was just a mistype on my part.  I'm fully aware and competent concerning the importance of the nonconference games, and I understand the point (Gregory Sagery) about games meaning the same between LMC schools and WIAC schools and all the in-region games.

Don't take it personally, Pioneerbacker. As Old School will tell you, when I see the word "preseason" my fingers go on autopilot.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneerbacker on November 29, 2005, 09:28:06 AM
Likewise, I'm sure Lakeland is happy they are in the midst of noncoference games, not preseason. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 29, 2005, 12:24:11 PM
Dominican got a vote for the Top 25. Sure they beat Aurora, but then they lose to Illinois College. Is that vote deserved?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 29, 2005, 12:33:40 PM
Not sure about that vote..I don't think they deserved it, but it was only one...My alma mater beat Platteville (ranked 20) and are now 4-0 (beat a couple weaker teams) and have a returning d3-hoops all region player,a nd they are getting no mention anywhere (University of Dubuque)..so I think its more subjective
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on November 29, 2005, 03:17:09 PM
Why not be happy that the conference got recognized with a vote for the top 25 and just accept it?  Dominican knocked off a good Aurora team and maybe needed to be brought back down to with a loss before opening conference play this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 29, 2005, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: FR_Sam on November 29, 2005, 03:17:09 PM
Why not be happy that the conference got recognized with a vote for the top 25 and just accept it?  Dominican knocked off a good Aurora team and maybe needed to be brought back down to with a loss before opening conference play this week.

Exactly. It's not as if LMC teams getting votes in the Top 25 poll is a run-of-the-mill experience. I understand that Dominican is the new kid in school. Since nobody who follows the LMC really feels as though the Stars are a part of the family yet, it's understandable that people in this room are keeping DU at arm's length. Still, try to enjoy this tiny bit of recognition for an LMC team, especially since it's only the first regular-season poll and it doesn't mean a whole lot in the greater scheme of things, anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 29, 2005, 05:24:29 PM
I'm just trying to stir up conversation. I wasn't trying to take anything away from Dominican. It's huge for the conference to have a team get recognized along with the best, but I also think there are a lot of teams that got snubbed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2005, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on November 29, 2005, 05:24:29 PM
I'm just trying to stir up conversation. I wasn't trying to take anything away from Dominican. It's huge for the conference to have a team get recognized along with the best, but I also think there are a lot of teams that got snubbed.

Aren't there like 300+ D3 teams in the nation.  With only 25 spots available in the...well, Top 25, plus another dozen that could get votes, of course there are going to be teams that feel like they get snubbed. 

The LMC is one of the worst conferences in the nation, in my opinion.  I don't think they've even won a NCAA tourney game, let alone come close.  Lakeland did beat Point and I'm not overlooking that, but I think had they beaten La Crosse the night before, they might have gotten a vote.  I thought it was funny that I read some posters thought MSOE should be ranked if they had beaten Lawrence.  Come on.

If any LMC teams get recognized on the national scope, it's a step in the right direction.  It would help their reputation if their AQ into the tourney actually won or came close to winning in the 1st round. 

LMC teams have made noise in the past (Edgewood beating Platteville last year), but teams from the conference have to start doing that on a regular basis.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on November 30, 2005, 11:48:49 AM
I totally agree that the LMC teams need to start kocking off top quality teams on a regular basis.  Edgewood and Lakeland are two very respectable programs but they need to make runs late in the year to become nationally respectable teams.  The addition of a NIIC school is nothing but good for the conference as well.  The likes of Aurora, Benedictine, Rockford, etc. has prepared Dominican for a run in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on November 30, 2005, 01:17:18 PM
So, you're saying that if the LMC was a power conference in Division-III, the question I posed would be completely appropriate?

People constantly talk about whether the ranking a team got is deserved. Are we in the LMC really that desperate for recognition? Honest question, don't take it as sarcasm.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2005, 01:46:56 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on November 30, 2005, 01:17:18 PM
So, you're saying that if the LMC was a power conference in Division-III, the question I posed would be completely appropriate?

People constantly talk about whether the ranking a team got is deserved. Are we in the LMC really that desperate for recognition? Honest question, don't take it as sarcasm.

What question was that?  The one if Dominican's vote was deserved?  In all honesty, I think the LMC needs recognition.  I'm not sure if they are "desperate," but I think it would help in recruiting.  When "your name" gets mentioned in the national media, say for example, had this been last year when Point went into Lakeland:  Lakeland Upsets Defending National Champions, that would be big news.  Of course, last year, Point was ranked really high and all that.  So, I think it helps, also when Edgewood beat Platteville last year.  I mean, at the least, it's not like any LMC schools are saying they don't want the recognition. 

I think you can look at Lawrence in recent history.  Their improved play and appearences and successes in the NCAA tourney has not only helped Lawrence in the recruiting war in Wisconsin, but has also lifted the MWC into a more favorable light.  They've beaten Oshkosh 3 times in a row now.  If some kid is being recruited by both schools, Lawrence may have an edge because 1.) Wow, they beat Oshkosh and 2.) Maybe the MWC isn't that bad after all.  That's just my thoughts, but national recognition is always a plus.

I agree with FR_Sam, the addition of the NIIC schools instantly upgrades the LMC.  Not to say the NIIC is a power conference, but I'm sure they have more NCAA tourney wins than the LMC, which I believe stands at zero.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on November 30, 2005, 03:34:12 PM
I agree

13 Freshman, 20-25 or so roster size, CURF is going to be tough this year, they have already matched their wins from last year in only 5 games.  Talk about the most improved team of the NIIC (at least so far)

The Cougars are 4-1, beat North Park, who they haven't beat since 1966.  Their only loss so far is to Illinois College who is undefeated so far this year.  CURF was up 30-18 in the 2nd half, but couldnt finish it out. 

With a win tonight at Marian, they will go 5-1, and have more wins than last year combined.   NIIC teams (and anyone else for that matter) can't take the Cougars lightly anymore, they come to play this year.

Awesome start to the year, hopefully they keep it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on November 30, 2005, 04:41:54 PM
I'm not validating or making the question invalid by means of the conference's reputation.  All that I was saying was that it's really not that big of a deal.  It is the first rankings of the season and Dominican was coming off a big win over then ranked 22nd Aurora.  People in the LMC should celebrate the ranking and not question it.  "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on November 30, 2005, 04:43:49 PM
The Cougars are much improved for the 2005-2006 season.  They will cause the NIIC teams headaches if they are taken lightly.  The freshmen brought in are extremely hard workers.  Watching them play is fun, because they leave it all out on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2005, 01:08:52 PM
All is quiet on the Michigan shoreline!

What's up people?  Doesn't Dominican play MSOE tonight?  What's the outlook on this weekend's games?

Dominican is doing some representin, representin, in the poll, but I'll go with MSOE anyway, just for fun! lol.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 01, 2005, 01:34:48 PM
I think MSOE is going to lose tonite.  They looked bad on tuesday vs. cardinal strich who i didnt think looked good either.  I also heard they might have several people with academic problems....

I still think they will beat lakeland, dominican and edgewood once...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 01, 2005, 02:14:10 PM
I think tonight's game between MSOE and Dominican will give everyone a good idea of where exactly each of these two teams are. I think I'll go with Dominican tonight just because they're the home team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on December 01, 2005, 04:03:13 PM
I'm going to go with Dominican tonight over MSOE, simply because the Stars should be hungry after a disappointing second place finish at the Bill Merris Shootout and they are at home.  The game is the Stars introduction into the LMC, their first conference game.  I'm sure the Raiders would love to welcome the Stars to the conference with a loss at home...so they should be coming in ready.  All things considered, I will say Dominican 69 MSOE 62.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on December 01, 2005, 10:04:29 PM
I loved the ending story in this edition of Around the Nation found on the front page, concerning Welton returning the Pfund MVP trophy to Wheaton. (Anyone who has not yet read it, should really check it out.) An extremely classy and touching gesture.

It has been a difficult grieving process for the Wheaton program and fans since Will Landry died earlier this year. I am glad that such a classy fellow was chosen as the first to receive the award since it was named for Will. I hope Larry, and the entire Aurora program, knows how much his gesture is appreciated.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on December 01, 2005, 11:07:35 PM
MSOE won 66-59. according to the box on the DU website, Superior transfer Floyd Bayiha did not play for MSOE. did anyone here go - was he on the bench? from the looks of their box scores so far, that would be a major dent in their season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 01, 2005, 11:18:20 PM
I think he is one with grade issues.... i am suprised but pleased they won.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2005, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: fishguy on December 01, 2005, 11:07:35 PM
MSOE won 66-59. according to the box on the DU website, Superior transfer Floyd Bayiha did not play for MSOE. did anyone here go - was he on the bench? from the looks of their box scores so far, that would be a major dent in their season.

Call Bayiha the Black Hole, because when he gets the ball, it disappears.  I saw him against Lawrence and he was a ball hog.  He rarely looked for the pass and only did so when he had no other option.  He also forgot how to play defense, if he ever knew how.  Sure, the guy scored points, but he did not impress me at all.

I did notice that MSOE has the old Lakeland coach.  I think MSOE might actually be better off without him.  They would play more of a "team" game, at least that was my take when I saw MSOE play.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 02, 2005, 04:00:14 AM
I agree. It's a great story, and I'm impressed by Larry Welton's gesture. It was not only a classy recognition by Welton that the award would mean more to Will Landry's former teammate than it would to him, it was an honest statement on Welton's part -- Tony Bollier really did deserve the Landy Award, even though Wheaton lost to Aurora.

I'm neither a Wheaton fan nor an Aurora fan -- but I am now a Larry Welton fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 03, 2005, 11:20:07 AM
Call this board a black hole. Games today and nobody's talking. In the conference games, I'll take Concordia over Marian and Lakeland over Edgewood.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2005, 12:38:38 PM
Tell me about it.  I tried to get someone to talk!  ??? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on December 03, 2005, 07:10:34 PM
The Way I See It,

Lakeland over Edgewood by 21 in the Edgedome today. A source told me it was the least inspired team he has seen at Edgewood in years. This certainly will throw the conference right out into the open.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 03, 2005, 07:26:39 PM
21 points?!? Seriously. 21 POINTS? This coming from a team returning the conference's player AND rookie of the year. Is Lakeland THAT good this year? Either way it looks like we have a few new favorites for numero uno in LC and DU. Here's to hoping both of them get love from the top 25 voters!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on December 04, 2005, 12:30:48 AM
lakeland has road games at lutheran on tuesday and at marian on saturday. if they win both and move to 4-0 before the holiday break, i think they're the fav to win the league, especially considering they would have wins at three of the tougher places to play. lakeland's defense is really good right now, and defense doesn't appear to be something the rest of the league is interested in playing.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2005, 03:22:13 AM
I think Lakeland is that good.  I saw them play Point last weekend and they were tough.  They really hit their shots and have several guys that can score.  They played good defense and really played as a team, unlike what I saw when MSOE played Lawrence and when Concordia played Eau Claire.  If they play anything like they did against Point, I'd consider them the favorite from the three teams I've seen so far.  Point played in the Edgedome in January, so I'll see them play as well.  I might head out to the cornfields sometime and watch Lakeland play again if it doesn't conflict with the Pointer schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on December 05, 2005, 10:35:42 AM
well, i don't recall the last time any LMC team went into Edgewood and tagged them with a 20-plus point loss at their place. that's an eye-opener right there. time will tell if they are the real deal. Germayne James might start getting more headlines than his brother Dominic down the road at Marquette.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on December 05, 2005, 09:23:30 PM
interesting reading on the Lakeland website. didn't realize they played 6 of their next 7 on the road - that will show if they are for real.

http://www.lakeland.edu/Athletics/MuskieNews.asp?article=1418
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2005, 02:49:40 AM
They did have four of their first six at home, so things were going to even out a little bit!  ;D  They also get five of their last seven conference games at home, including three in a row.  I think Lakeland could surprise the SIDs and win the league, but the key will be to keep up the intensity and not play down to their competition.  There are some weak sisters in the LMC and they'll have to stay focused and win those so-called "gimmes".  Sometimes those are the hardest to win.  I think going to Madison and winning by that kind of margin says something about Lakeland, or maybe Edgewood as well!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 06, 2005, 08:48:44 AM
Well i think the LMC is pretty weak this year -- with the exception of a couple teams.  MSOE manhandled Dominican on their home court... without 4 players that are suspended for grades.  Dominican is/was playing like a front runner until that game.  Who knows about edgewood.  They have gotten beaten pretty bad several times now, but i think they will  be solid down the home stretch.  Either way, I didnt give Lakeland the credit they deserve... they look and sound like a pretty good team and appear the team to beat.  I think MSOE is the number 2 with a chance to win it, even though they did get bounced by Lawrence.

I saw Carrol play the other day and i think they might win their conference and beat Lawrence....but i thought MSOE would beat Lawrence so what do i know.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on December 06, 2005, 04:54:26 PM
The Way I See It,

All four teams are set to square off tonight. I give the edge to my Fish of Lakeland at WLC tonight. Lakeland just has too many guys that contribute at this point to have a let down.
I will go way out on a limb here and predict that Edgewood will rebound with a win over Maranatha.
Dominican will make it 2 losses in a row up at Marian. And Concordia will hold off MSOE up in Mequon.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 06, 2005, 08:34:45 PM
Im going out on a limb and picking Dominican, Edgewood, Lakeland,  &MSOE.  Edgewood and LAkeland are locks... then MSOE and dominican.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 06, 2005, 10:41:37 PM
MSOE beat CU 83-71
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2005, 11:44:58 PM
Lakeland tanked at the REX tonight...76-68.  Way to screw that up fishboys.  I'm sorry, WLC sucks.  I remember saying something about staying focused against the "weak sisters" of the league...way to listen to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 07, 2005, 10:31:12 AM
How can WLC beat Lakeland? That is sad... WLC is so not good.  Marian beat Dominican which in my mind is another upset.  Edgewood beatup on marantha which will be lucky to get a win in the league this year.  If someone from from edgewood gets player of the week because of this win... that is just wrong cause i think edgewood is gonna get beat up by a few teams pretty good this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 07, 2005, 02:15:53 PM
Me and four other posters could beat Maranatha.  ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on December 07, 2005, 03:25:12 PM
The Way I See It,

I would love to be one of them posters to join you, but i have already beaten up on MBBC one too many times.

But i will give you a starting lineup that you can go to battle with.

PG- Busty: If he runs the team like he does his mouth, you guys got a heck of a player here.
SG-Pat Coleman: If he scores as many points as he leaves posts, we have a possible POG on our hands.
SF-Old School: Seems like you would do a lot of the dirty work and make the hustle plays.
PF-Big_uns: Gotta go with somebody 'big' at my 4 spot.
C- Fishguy: I gotta go with at least one of my fellow Lakeland backers. Plus he will get a lot of calls down low cause of his 'flopping' ability.

But it is a frustrating day in corn country. All of the farmers gathered at the local town hall to discuss their displeasure over the loss to WLC. Some of them even compared the loss to being worse than the drought back in 83' that destroyed many of their crops. VERY dissappointing loss to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 07, 2005, 05:55:55 PM
How many posts do i have to make to get off this JV thing
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on December 07, 2005, 09:39:28 PM
I wonder what happened to Dominican? They started off hot and suddenly fizzled. I agree with showtime that the loss to Marian was an upset and Lakeland lost to WLC whats up with that? Right now who's to say who will win the conference. Luckily for Dominican they play Maranatha tomorrow and hopefully can get back in the swing of things.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on December 07, 2005, 09:44:45 PM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on December 07, 2005, 05:55:55 PM
How many posts do i have to make to get off this JV thing

A lot unless you tick off Pat C in which case one probably becomes either Junior Varsity for life or student manager
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 08, 2005, 02:57:08 AM
My disappointment in Lakeland still lingers.  I can't believe they went down to Milwaukee and laid an egg to WLC.  They are horrible and LC basically choked. 

Big conference games coming up:

Dec. 8 Maranatha @ Dominican*
Dec. 10 Dominican @ Wis. Lutheran*
Dec. 10 Edgewood @ MSOE*
Dec. 10 Lakeland @ Marian*

Dominican should go 2-0 and improve to 2-2 in the conference.

Maranatha will 0-3

MSOE should to Edgewood and go 3-0, while Edgewood drops to 2-2

Lakeland should bounce back and win a tough, close game at Marian, to improve to 3-1, while Marian drops to 1-3.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 08, 2005, 03:07:07 PM
Dec. 8 Maranatha @ Dominican*  - Dominican dominates
Dec. 10 Dominican @ Wis. Lutheran* - Dominican in a close game
Dec. 10 Edgewood @ MSOE* - 14 pt victory for MSOE -- MSOE's gaurds are to much and pull out the W.
Dec. 10 Lakeland @ Marian* - Lakeland gets mad and dominates Marian on their own floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on December 08, 2005, 11:16:36 PM
Well, Dominican handled Maranatha easily in a 23 point victory, Marian won by a large margin and Concordia Wis. lost a close one. Dominican held Marnatha to 45 points and 24% shooting for the game thats just terrible. I believe Lakeland had similar numbers when they played MBBC. I think Dominican and Lakeland might just be the best defensive teams in the conference. If they keep playing good D-Fence and stop others from scoring they might be front runners for conference champs along with MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 09, 2005, 01:16:48 AM
Lakeland needs a victory at Marian to prove to EVERYONE now that that 5-1 start wasn't due to being in The Cornfield. Dominican's wins seem like virtual locks but then again, so did LC's three days ago. As for Edgewood and MSOE, Lakeland beat EC with guard play, so I'm going with another team of guards in MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 09, 2005, 01:32:24 PM
Concordia lost to Carroll and Carroll is pretty good.  Maybe Concordia isn't the biggest piece of crap like I saw against Eau Claire.  Then again, blind squirrels find nuts once in awhile too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on December 11, 2005, 04:08:04 AM
Wow, just got back from the CURF vs. Augustana game.  It was a good game until about 5 minutes left when #34 on Augustana caught fire and had the hot hand, which put the Cougars away.  CURF lead the game early, and was down only 48-46 in the middle of the 2nd half, until #34 hit like three 3 pointers in a row which sealed the deal. 

I am not saying CURF is a top 25 team by giving the #14 team in the nation a good game until about 5 minutes left.  I am saying I was not impressed by Augustana, and they probably shouldn't be in the top 25.  Just my opinion. NIIC teams need to watch themselves, CURF is still looking good even with a 4-3 record, hung with a top 25 team for 3/4 of a game.

But I know, to win, a FULL game must be played, not just 3/4 of one.  Which seperates good teams from the average teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 11, 2005, 10:13:37 AM
 It looks like Lakeland turned things around and won yesterday.  So much for cooper or avercamp getting player of the year after getting beat up by MSOE and Lakeland.  I wasnt at either game but i heard both were not even close. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on December 11, 2005, 11:35:23 AM
Congrats to CURF for hanging in there as long as they did against a good Augie team.  Considering where they are coming from, that's a great start to the rebuilding process.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2005, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: baseman201 on December 11, 2005, 04:08:04 AMI am not saying CURF is a top 25 team by giving the #14 team in the nation a good game until about 5 minutes left.  I am saying I was not impressed by Augustana, and they probably shouldn't be in the top 25.

Augustana was missing three of its big men to injury at last night's game: Starting center Dane Swietella and the first two 4/5 backups off the bench, Shaun Rose and Joe Caricato.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on December 11, 2005, 05:10:14 PM
Milwaukee Engineering   3-0 Conference              6-2 Overall
Lakeland                         3-1                                 6-2
Dominican                       2-2                                 6-3
Edgewood                      2-2                                 4-4
Concordia (Wis.)             1-1                                 2-6
Wisconsin Lutheran        1-1                                 2-7
Marian                             1-3                                 4-5 
Maranatha Baptist           0-3                                1-8


These are the current standings in the conference with Dominican beating WLC by 7, Lakeland over Marian by 15, and MSOE over Edgewood by 15. Whats is wrong with edgewood? They have been blown out a few times now and weren't they supposed to repeat as champions? If they keep this up they might be at the bottom of the barrel with Maranatha. Speaking of the bottom of the barrel I was reviewing the shedules of WLC and Concordia and their scedules have had a few tough games in which they lost close games to good teams so they might not be as horrible as everyone think they are. C'mon WLC beat Lakeland and lost by 7 to a good Dominican team. And five out of eight of Concordia's games were against good teams. I would not be suprised if these two teams beat a few teams in this conference besides Maranatha. It looks like Dominican got back on track with a couple of wins this week but will have a good test of where they are in conference in a big game against Lakeland at home on Jan 10. Lakeland beat them by 19 in a game last year so maybe Dominican might have revenge in mind. It going to get real interesting as the year goes on.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 12, 2005, 12:31:17 PM
Another full slate of games this week involving LMC teams, but with only one conference game.

Dec. 12 Viterbo @ Maranatha
Dec. 13 MSOE @ Aurora
Dec. 13 UW-La Crosse @ Edgewood
Dec. 16 Marian @ Elmhurst Tourn.
Dec. 16 Westminster @ Dominican
Dec. 17 Concordia (Ill.) @ Lakeland
Dec. 17 Concordia (Wis.) @ Wis. Lutheran*
Dec. 17 Marian @ Elmhurst Tourn.
Dec. 18 MSOE @ Cal. Tech
Dec. 19 MSOE vs. Penn State-Behrend

Viterbo should be Maranatha.

MSOE looks pretty good in-conference, and I have no idea about Aurora.  The lost to Dominican at home, so I'll give MSOE the win.

Usually playing in Madison is tough for Edgewood opponents, but they look down this year, and La Crosse will try to bounce back from their home loss to Point this weekend.  La Crosse in an easy one.

Whomever Marian plays, they'll get smoked.  I think they play Elmhurst to start the tourney.  Good luck keeping it within 25.

Westminster hasn't won yet, so I'll give Dominican the win here.

Lakeland beats Concordia (IL)

MSOE will beat Cal-Tech, a team MBBC might have a shot at beating, and then MSOE plays on the 19th vs. Penn State-Behrend.  Know nothing about them, so I'll still pick MSOE!

It's tough to gauge the conference game between Concordia and WLC.  Both have been disappointing thus far in conference play.  I'll go with the home team, WLC reluctantly.


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 12, 2005, 12:45:40 PM
Aurora has an all american forward in Larry Welton, and some shooters who can light it up..Seth will have his hands full with Welton..he is a lefty, 6-6, can shoot teh three, or dunk in traffic...if the shooters get hot, Aurora by 10-15...Aurora may have problems with Averkamp down low, but I havent seen him play this year..is he in better shape? Aurora has a physical pg who can score and defend....they like to get up and down...but if Edgewood can defend Welton and make other players beat them, they have a chance..Aurora was ranked #22, but lost a couple games that they shouldn't have, in my opinion (like Dominican)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on December 12, 2005, 12:58:40 PM
Well I'm back guys, I know how much you all missed me. 
First off, WLC is the real deal this year.  Yes, our nonconference record is not that good, but who cares, its nonconference.  Lakeland took a hard fall when they came to WLC and it was great to see Shane and Jermaine acknowledge the 6th Man.  I seriously think I made Shane cry.  Anyways, good job WLC men.
Secondly, Dominican...yea, not much I can say about that.  A 7 pt loss to a less then mediocre team is unacceptable.  I am just going to take the easy way out and blame it on the refs and an all around bad performance.  To quote someone earlier, "even a blind squirrle finds a nut."
Now, the real lithmus test for the Warriors will be this saturday against Concordia.  It will be a good conference and moral (Rathmusson) victory for us.  Our big guy Sorum has been stepping it up hardcore along with 'Drew Dunlop to make up for those on the team that are lacking (ehhum).  From what I gather, it should be an easy win against Concordia this weekend anyways, but Dominican beat us, so I guess thats a big MAYBE.
Well gentlemen, its good to see all these new guys come out of the woodwork and talk about their teams.  Much much more fodder if I had time.  I think the easiest targets are going to be those idiots from Dominican.  How long do you think it will take before they realize that "Hey, we are in the LMC..."  Oh yea, and MSOE sucks

Bust Ya'll out...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 12, 2005, 02:08:57 PM
Sorry to break it to ya... but WLC doesnt have a shot this year.  Maybe if they suited up metzger they could finish close to .500.

Sure WLC upset lakeland...but then lost to Dominican? MSOE kicked the crap out of Dominican with out 3 of their better players.

I predict WLC loses by 20+ to Lakeland @ Lakeland. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on December 12, 2005, 03:09:58 PM
While that is a good point, Dain is a sophmore transfer so is he that good? I dunno we will never know. Auggie is good but not 14 in the nation in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 12, 2005, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: escalade07 on December 12, 2005, 03:09:58 PM
While that is a good point, Dain is a sophmore transfer so is he that good? I dunno we will never know. Auggie is good but not 14 in the nation in my opinion.

Why would the fact that he's a sophomore transfer mean that he isn't good?

The three missing players account for about a quarter of Augie's  scoring and about a third of Augie's rebounding. I'd suggest that you get a look at the team at full strength before you pass judgment upon where they should or shouldn't be ranked.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 13, 2005, 01:44:03 AM
Wisconsin Lutheran blows.  Apparently, they were the squirrel and the nut was the win against Lakeland.  Concordia blows as well, so that's why I won't be surprised if the squirrel finds another nut this weekend! lol  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on December 13, 2005, 02:03:05 AM
Augustana is ranked for the team they put on the court.  If they don't have guys playing then they still are the same ranked Augustana team.  There will be no asterics beside the game. 

I agree, I don't think Augustana is all that good.  I believe IWU and Elmhurst will beat them, for sure. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 13, 2005, 02:36:23 AM
Quote from: diego on December 13, 2005, 02:03:05 AM
Augustana is ranked for the team they put on the court.  If they don't have guys playing then they still are the same ranked Augustana team.  There will be no asterics beside the game.

I'm not sure what your point is, Diego. Augustana is 7-0. That's the reason why they're ranked.

The point Escalade was trying to make is that the team he saw at CURF wasn't worthy of the Top 25, in his estimation. My point was that Augie has made it to the Top 25 based upon the performance of the team at full strength, or close to it. (Swetalla's missed three games, Rose two, and Caricato one; all are expected back shortly.) In other words, the team he saw wasn't the same team that's won the bulk of those games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on December 13, 2005, 11:28:41 AM
The Way I See It,

Even if WLC finds that 2nd nut against Concordia, they still play like they don't have a Pair!! The Rex has always been a place of doom for Lakeland. But the Tank has been even worse for WLC. Lakeland will win at home and win big when they meet again. And from what i heard about that game atWLC, the 6th man was nonexistent, unless of course you want to count the 3 gentleman in the front row who use kanes and wheel around oxygen tanks as the 6th men.

Concordia will beat WLC in Rasmussen's return. Lakeland will continue to win and Edgewood will continue their downward spiral against La Crosse.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 13, 2005, 01:45:06 PM
Busty,

The way WLC's record is looking this year, the squirrel will be lucky to make it through the winter.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on December 13, 2005, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on December 12, 2005, 12:58:40 PM
Well I'm back guys, I know how much you all missed me. 
First off, WLC is the real deal this year.  Yes, our nonconference record is not that good, but who cares, its nonconference.  Lakeland took a hard fall when they came to WLC and it was great to see Shane and Jermaine acknowledge the 6th Man.  I seriously think I made Shane cry. 

Um... I was at that game, and let me tell you, the 6th man is DUN.  Nonexistent throughout the whole game except the final 4 minutes, which doesnt even count.  Real fans show up even though their team is expected to get hammered (as WLC was expected to do)

It is emberassing to see that now all of a sudden you are bragging how great the 6th man was.  The 6th man of old was there the whole game, stood up and taunted, and made noise.  This new 6th man, with their poser T-Shirts is a discrase to what the 6th man used to be.

It was a shame that now you seem to brag about them.  Go BIG or GO HOME!!!

PEACE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on December 13, 2005, 05:13:43 PM
I have seen Augie a couple times.  My point is that I don't think they are going to stay in the Top 25 very long.  Also, I don't think they are a Top 25 team now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on December 13, 2005, 10:53:31 PM
MSOE got beat down tonite pretty bad   :'(--- here is the link to the box score:

http://www.aurora.edu/scoreboard/stats/bball-m/TEAMSTAT.HTM

Looks like MSOE turned the ball over and Aurora hit a bunch of 3's.... well and probably alot of layups....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on December 14, 2005, 12:39:54 AM
What I am saying is that I personally know Dain and HE IS NOT THAT GOOD. I imagine that this team would be better with everyone heathly. Thats kind of an understood statement. While I do not want you all to think that this is a bad team, they are NOT top 25 worthy to me. I understand there are some hurt players, but CURF is majority freshmen and transfers that have NEVER playing together. I saw this Auggie team last year and MOST of that team is back.

AUGGIE= DECENT AT BEST.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2005, 04:31:33 AM
Quote from: escalade07 on December 14, 2005, 12:39:54 AM
What I am saying is that I personally know Dain and HE IS NOT THAT GOOD.

You should've just come right out and said that in the first place. Your remark about his being a sophomore transfer only obscured your meaning.

I have never seen him play, so I have no opinion about his abilities. Nor have I seen Augie this season (one 'g' in "Augie", not two, BTW), so I'm reserving judgment upon them as a whole. I was simply pointing out that the team you saw in Geiseman Gymnasium was not the same team that had accumulated that 7-0 record and garnered the Top 25 ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on December 14, 2005, 01:06:26 PM
Well then its great to hear that I am still the black sheep of the group and my very words can unite everyone in a single cause against WLC.
Well...ok warrior fish, where were you then and why didnt you do something?  You're the real poser by claiming how great it once was then not doing anything about it.  Then proceeding to go onto D3hoops and disrespecting the 6th Man when you yourself seem to be a WLC fan, no?  You my friend need to "go big or go home"
PS- uz spel chek necks tym....
As for all you other haters, this squirrel will have plenty this winter after busting all your nuts.  And that my friends is the way I see it.
-thats too bad about MSOE  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on December 14, 2005, 03:53:54 PM
Bust Ya'll

Why didnt I do anything about it?  Why should I.  I was not invited to the poser 6th man get together, nor did I recieve a free t-shirt.  The real 6th man is dead.  I would also like to point out that next time, dont mis-state the facts to try and make everyone here believe that the poser 6th man was "representing" when in fact they were not.

Now, If a t-shirt were to find its way into my mailbox, then perhaps, ... Nah. forget it.

I do "go big" and if i could, i would go home! 

Have a happy holiday's everyone.  Lookin forward to some really bad action before christmas. 

PEACE

p.s.  y spel chk, i figgure i shuld speeek to the levvel of my audience.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 14, 2005, 05:15:34 PM
The only busting my nuts are going to be doing is when I'm laughing while you eat your words after your 2-7 season continues to fill the cup of disappointment. WLC lost to six teams hovering around mediocrity and one powerful Lawrence team and won one lucky game against a team who historically struggles at WLC and another against a WINLESS Swarthmore team. We're all supposed to believe WLC is the s**t in the LMC after that? I'm sorry, buddy, but I think it's against NCAA rules to schedule Maranatha 10 times in a season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on December 15, 2005, 02:05:38 PM
The Way I See It,

Sorry Bout it Busty, but the 6th man is DEAD!! I know for a fact that the turnout for the LC game was terrible. Quit trying to proclaim something that you or your WLC team really are NOT!!

Come talk to me about your Warriors when they beat my Fish up at the Tank. Then,,,and only then,,,will I bow before you and proclaim you as the 'Mighty Busty'. (pause for a moment while i use spell check)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 16, 2005, 01:09:50 PM
Another full slate of games this weekend involving LMC teams, but with only one conference game.

Dec. 16 Marian @ Elmhurst Tourn.
Dec. 16 Westminster @ Dominican
Dec. 17 Concordia (Ill.) @ Lakeland
Dec. 17 Concordia (Wis.) @ Wis. Lutheran*
Dec. 17 Marian @ Elmhurst Tourn.
Dec. 18 MSOE @ Cal. Tech
Dec. 19 MSOE vs. Penn State-Behrend

Sleepy Floyd Bayiha won another Player of the Week.  Apparently the guy plays a lot better in the conference than he does against Lawrence...not surprisingly, I guess.

Anyway, apparently four of his errant shots were mistaken for assists, so he was credited with four assists in each game.  I find that hard to believe, unless he was triple teamed and couldn't get a shot off.  ;D

For the week he averaged 24.0 points, 5.5 rebounds, 4.0 assists and 3.0 steals per game, while shooting 60% from the field, 50% from three-point range and over 90% from the free throw line.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 16, 2005, 11:45:53 PM
Not surprisingly, MSOE gets smoked by Elmhurst tonight.  They take on Buena Vista tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2005, 03:22:07 PM
Quote from: Old School on December 16, 2005, 11:45:53 PM
Not surprisingly, MSOE gets smoked by Elmhurst tonight.  They take on Buena Vista tomorrow.

Marian, not MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bcbbball on December 18, 2005, 12:20:05 PM
In regards to your question regarding Saberlich and being all conference worthy, Ive seen most teams in the LMC, for a 10 player all conference team, just what guards would you deem more worthy? Saberlich is a threat every time he has the ball in his hands, and is a confident passer, I cant imagine too many starting guards that would be more worthy of mention for all conf.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bcbbball on December 18, 2005, 12:22:16 PM
Hey LMC fans out there, I really like what Lakeland is doing this year, are they the conf favorite to represent in the NCAA tourney? I gotta beleive they are.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bcbbball on December 18, 2005, 12:30:52 PM
Hey WLC fans,
What player would you rather have to build your college team around, Josh or Kon?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bcbbball on December 18, 2005, 01:48:53 PM
Any WLC fan that may know some history, 2 players that played there in the last 6-8 years, both were POY in their respective conferences in high school, both highly acomplished hs players and havent been able to find much on them at WLC, Matt Aleithe from Milwaukee Lutheran and Aaron Baackes from Sheboygan Lutheran, any idea how or what happened to their careers at WLC? Did they play? Appreciate any info
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 19, 2005, 02:24:25 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2005, 03:22:07 PM
Quote from: Old School on December 16, 2005, 11:45:53 PM
Not surprisingly, MSOE gets smoked by Elmhurst tonight.  They take on Buena Vista tomorrow.

Marian, not MSOE.

Late night.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 21, 2005, 01:54:24 PM
Lakeland loses to Rockford.  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on December 21, 2005, 03:37:54 PM
I believe Concordia lost to WLC....hmmm, can someone check that out for me?  I was too busy posing as a 6th man on D3hoops to check the game.  Hey warrior fish, give me your mailbox # and i'll give you that free shirt I got a special one just for you.  Maybe you can revamp the dead 6th man.....
QuoteThe only busting my nuts are going to be doing is when I'm laughing while you eat your words after your 2-7 season continues to fill the cup of disappointment. WLC lost to six teams hovering around mediocrity and one powerful Lawrence team
- can I have some ketchup with my words?  Or wait...whats WLC's record now?

Hey its good to see that the Fish, beat such an easy Rockford team, I mean they are probably awesome now that the almighty lakeland who beat wlc...oh wait...none of this ever happened.  Sorry bout it.

In case anyone has missed it, this post is dripping with sarcasim.  Hey and if just showing up to the game is "going big" then Im fat albert.

Poser #80
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 22, 2005, 04:37:29 AM
Nice article on Lakeland guard Germayne James and his younger brother, Dominic, in Wednesday's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on December 23, 2005, 01:32:47 PM
The Way I See It,

Busty, WLC lost to a Bible school from Michigan so don't even talk about Lakeland losing to Rockford. Just look at the records. Sorry bout it!

See you up in the Tank. I'll have the life jacket ready for you as well.

Old School, you are right. That was a good article. Germayne is a great person and you can definitely see some of him in Dominic.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 23, 2005, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on December 21, 2005, 03:37:54 PM
In case anyone has missed it, this post is dripping with sarcasim.  Hey and if just showing up to the game is "going big" then Im fat albert.

Poser #80

I missed it.  ;D  Happy holidays to the fish, the birds, the bible kids, the nerds, the gangsters (lame reference to the warriors), and all the other LMCers. 

The LMC gets a full plate of holiday losses before conference play kicks back in next year. 

Dec 28 Benedictine v Milwaukee Engineering   
Dec 28 Eureka v Edgewood   
Dec 28 Augustana v Marian   
Dec 28 Hope v Lakeland   
Dec 29 Eureka v Milwaukee Engineering   
Dec 29 Benedictine v Edgewood   
Dec 29 St. Scholastica or UW-Stout v Marian   
Dec 29 Lakeland v John Carroll or Goshen   
Dec 29 Southwestern v Dominican   
Dec 30 Trinity (Texas) v Dominican   
Dec 31 Wisconsin Lutheran v UW-Whitewater   
Dec 31 Edgewood v UW-Oshkosh

Ranked (potential) opponents Augustana, Hope, Stout, John Carroll and Oshkosh await LMC teams, while traditional powers in Southwestern, Trinity (TX) and Whitewater also are on the schedule.  Ouch.  I'll give the LMC 4-8 at best.

By the way, it looks like that Rockford loss was a bad one.  Rockford already lost to LMC foes MSOE and Concordia, plus they lost to the bad Robert Morris (Springfield, not Chicago).  It's safe to say that Lakeland should be 9-1, but two bad road losses isn't going to win anybody over.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on December 27, 2005, 01:36:23 AM
Another story about Germayne James and his brother is here on the NCAA website - holy crap is he getting some serious pub this season!

http://ncaasports.com/story/9112655
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 27, 2005, 01:59:44 AM
probably only because his younger brother plays for Marquette.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 28, 2005, 05:31:28 PM
Even so, I'll bet he and Lakeland aren't complaining about the publicity.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 29, 2005, 02:21:24 AM
Lakeland puts up a huge fight (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/muskienews.asp?article=1037) vs. #7 Hope tonight, finally losing 54-46.  Nice effort for the fish. 

On the other hand, Marian forgot they played tonight and got smoked by #13 Augustana at the Stout tourney, 88-52.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 29, 2005, 08:35:00 AM
I'll agree completely that Lakeland put up a huge fight - that surely didn't look like much of a basketball game.  Neither team shot over 32% from the floor - really ugly game that Lakeland lead until about 5 minutes left in the game, when Hope went on a 10-0 run.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on December 29, 2005, 09:40:20 AM
Hey Flying Dutch Fan,

I was one of the few Lakeland fans at the game.  Believe me, those officials from your conference wern't about to let Lakeland win that game.  It was more of a football game than anything else.  Lakeland was getting bumped and literally shoved all night long. 

No offense to your program and it's tradition...........I wish the Dutch all the best the rest of the year.  But, I'd like to see that game played again with officials from a neutral conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 29, 2005, 11:41:55 AM
playdefense - Guess I didn't see the officiating having as big an impact on the game as it really did - looking at the stats.  But don't be too quick about them being from our conference - they may be - but only one of them has ever officiated any MIAA game.  And I think you would find that type of play is typical in our league as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on December 29, 2005, 01:00:26 PM
No offense meant to Hope, I wish them well.  Lakeland will be a better team down the stretch because of this game and other nonconference contests.  Keep up the good work in Michigan, you guys have it going, and have a terrific facility.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on December 29, 2005, 10:29:17 PM
Lakeland beat Goshen today. I'd say a third place finish at that tournament isn't such a bad thing, considering who they're up against.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on December 29, 2005, 10:45:41 PM
I agree completely - Lakeland has a good squad - one I think could compete for 3rd or 4th in the MIAA.  They were very impressive today against Goshen.  Would have liked to seen them also get a chance to play John Carroll.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 02, 2006, 03:13:35 PM
WLC and MSOE today. Looks like we'll see how good the Warriors really are.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 02, 2006, 05:30:14 PM
Full Slate of games this week

Jan. 2 Wis. Lutheran @ MSOE*
Jan. 3 Dominican @ Maranatha*
Jan. 3 Edgewood @ Lakeland*
Jan. 3 Marian @ Concordia (Wis.)*
Jan. 5 Benedictine @ Dominican
Jan. 6 Wis. Lutheran @ Embry-Riddle Tourn.
Jan. 7 Clarke @ Marian
Jan. 7 Dominican @ Concordia (Wis.)*
Jan. 7 Illinois Tech @ Lakeland
Jan. 7 MSOE @ Maranatha*
Jan. 7 Robert Morris @ Edgewood
Jan. 7 Wis. Lutheran @ Embry-Riddle Tourn.


MSOE 3-0    9-4

Lakeland 3-1    8-4

WI Lutheran 2-1   3-8

Dominican 2-2    7-5

Edgewood 2-2   6-6

Concordia 1-2    2-8

Marian 1-3   4-9

Maranatha 0-3   1-10

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 03, 2006, 10:07:56 PM
Anyone able to clue us in as to why Cooper and Averkamp were MIA in Edewood's 65-60 loss in The Tank tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 03, 2006, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on January 03, 2006, 10:07:56 PM
Anyone able to clue us in as to why Cooper and Averkamp were MIA in Edewood's 65-60 loss in The Tank tonight?

Well Big_Uns,
A little bird told me that there were some evil shenanigans (no, not the resturant with the motzerella stix you like) going on and at least those two, if not one more were suspended for the game tonight.  Someone needs to lock those guys up over new years. 

On a better note, it has been so long since I have been on the winning end of an Edgewood game I have attended, I had forgotten how sore the EC fans get when they dont win.  Geez.  And who is that guy that sits in the stands behind Dr. G.?  He should be hired as the next coach!  He yells from the stands and then the entire coaching staff, (8 including "scouts") starts shouting the exact same thing.  Now, what is more efficient?  1 guy or 8 coaches?  Must be nice to have those kinds of funds. 

A lackluster preformance from the Fish tonight in the Tank, but EC without Cooper or Avercamp was not able to overcome the power of the Moose. 

Matt Rogers for ROY in the LMC!!  Been a long time since this conference has seen a player that can take it to the hole like that, as a freshman. And if Avercamp won it last year and sat out all those games after running into Zeck's arm, Rogers should win hands down.

And Bust Ya'll, no mailbox number, just mail it to the PO BOX.  And dont think I wont wear that size small shirt to games either.  Heck, I might wash it and shrink it first!  ;)

PEACE and remember "GO BIG OR GO HOME" 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 03, 2006, 11:21:46 PM
And see, here I thought you were only good for dropping unnecessary Super Troopers quotes into your posts. What insightful information. Thanks, fish.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 04, 2006, 03:58:45 AM
Don't make me pistol whip you guys!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on January 04, 2006, 05:12:14 PM
averkamp sat out one non conference game from that......but i also agree rogers will for sure be the ROY in the LMC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 04, 2006, 08:40:35 PM
Old School, way to chime!  and that face!   :o  perfect

Big Uns, looks like when school goes on vacation, everyone else goes home to the land where internet is not available.  Amazing how that happens.  Geesh.  Good thing we are here to keep the "clones" (a poor attempt at Jim Rome somthing) informed. 

PEACE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 05, 2006, 12:48:02 AM
Quote from: warrior_fish on January 04, 2006, 08:40:35 PM
Big Uns, looks like when school goes on vacation, everyone else goes home to the land where internet is not available.  Amazing how that happens.  Geesh.  Good thing we are here to keep the "clones" (a poor attempt at Jim Rome somthing) informed. 

Or we just have nobody to argue with because WLC got *ahem* shall we say "BUSTED" by MSOE the other night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 05, 2006, 12:11:34 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on January 05, 2006, 12:48:02 AM
Or we just have nobody to argue with because WLC got *ahem* shall we say "BUSTED" by MSOE the other night.


*DING DING DING* I think we have a winner.  Lets hope that the WLC fans dont just give up posting even though the Warriors are MIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 05, 2006, 01:52:54 PM
The Way I See It,

Avercamp wasn't suspended. He did run from the cops on New Year's Eve. Larson found this out and was worried that he might get overworked seeing as how running from the cops was more running than he had done all year. He kept him out as a precaution.

We also might have witnessed the last of Busta' Ryhmes for the year seeing as how his Warriors will no longer be spitting out any tunes.

But props to my Gilled friends down at the Tank. It is not often a team can sweep the season series from Edgewood. I can't wait till the showdowns with MSOE near the end of the schedule. Keep those fins moving and you'll swim yourselves to the Big Pond (a.k.a. NCAA Tournament).

And now if you will excuse me, it is my day to be the bingo caller at the local VFW!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on January 05, 2006, 01:58:33 PM
the way is probably the dumbest poster on this site.......lakeland should watch out that they only beat a depleted edgewood team by 5......hate all you want on averkamp he leads the conference in rebounding and is a consistent offense player...id take him on my team....msoe is going to run away with the title
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 05, 2006, 02:37:42 PM
The Way I See It

Boy jgatz, you sure put me in my place. Maybe i should study up on things first before i post or just throw a bunch of stats out there to sound importmant.

First of all, Avercamp is overrated. So he leads the conference in rebounding,,,big deal. Edgewood was still able to outrebound Lakeland. So he is a consistent offensive threat (which he isn't as big a threat as you think)...once again big deal. They lost by 21 to Lakeland at Edgewood with him and lost by only 5 without him. He shoots 42% for a big man. That is just not going to cut it in the LMC where big men tend to shoot at or above 50%. He's gotten 18 foul calls in 12 games. That shows he isn't aggressive both on the offensive and defensive side of the ball (and don't feed me a line saying he is just in position everytime on defense so that is why he doesn't get any calls). He averages 1 assist in 30 minutes a game. You are telling me that he can only get 1 assist in a game for being such a consistent offensive threat???

I've played against and seen my share of big men in D3 college basketball as well as big men from Edgewood. He isn't close to a Steve Williams, Royce Malkowski, or even Craig Machut. So go ahead and take him on your team. Just let me sign a contract so that my team can get yours on the schedule.

And don't worry about Lakeland. They also lost to #7 Hope at Hope by 8 points. I think they are very capable of handling themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 05, 2006, 05:22:57 PM
Quote from: The Way on January 05, 2006, 02:37:42 PM
And don't worry about Lakeland. They also lost to #7 Hope at Hope by 8 points. I think they are very capable of handling themselves.

They are definitely capable of it. The question really is will they actually handle themselves. I think in everyone's mind, they should have two more wins (over WLC and Rockford) but for whatever reason they didn't get the job done. It seems to me like they come to play for the big games (by beating UWSP and just falling to UWLAX and Hope) but seem to overlook the games they "should" win.

The other teams around the league have been just as confusing. Dominican seemed as if they were ready to compete in the LMC after the win over Aurora but have since sort of fizzled. I'm not sure even Edgewood understands what is happening to them. Concordia, WLC, and Marian all seem to be competing for that "At Least We're Not Maranatha" spot in the league.

I don't think there's any doubt that the winner of the LMC this year is going to be either MSOE or Lakeland. At this point in the season, something monumental is going to have to happen to shake that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2006, 05:34:41 AM
Quote from: jgatz33 on January 05, 2006, 01:58:33 PM
the way is probably the dumbest poster on this site.......lakeland should watch out that they only beat a depleted edgewood team by 5......

I think that just made you the dumbest poster on this site.  Lakeland should watch out because they only won the game by 5?  lol.

As posted, LC has to worry about the games they should win.  That game they lost to WLC should never have happened.  Brainfarts like that can cost you league championships.  That Rockford loss really hurts, being it's in-region as well.  Rockford lost to MSOE and Concordia AND Robert Morris-SPRINGFIELD, and they are horrible.  When Lakeland hosts MSOE on Feb. 11, that will decide the regular season championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2006, 06:15:50 AM
Quote from: Old School on January 06, 2006, 05:34:41 AMThat Rockford loss really hurts, being it's in-region as well.  Rockford lost to MSOE and Concordia AND Robert Morris-SPRINGFIELD, and they are horrible.

I'm not sure which team you're calling "horrible", OS, Rockford or RMC-Springfield, but you're off-base on either one. Rockford is 9-6 this season, and is currently in the midst of a six-game winning streak. RMC-Springfield is only 8-9, but they can claim a road win at Millikin, and their last two games were a five-point loss to Dordt (currently ranked #4 in NAIA-2) and a seven-point loss to a pretty good Loras team. They're not exactly world-beaters, but calling RMCS "horrible" is stretching the word beyond recognition.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2006, 01:40:05 PM
Yeah, a little harsh.  I admittedly failed to mention I had Robert Morris-CHICAGO in my head as well, so kind of comparing those two schools, hence, capitalizing Springfield.  Oh well.  Regardless, jgatz33 is pretty dumb for criticizing a win by Lakeland!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on January 06, 2006, 08:06:17 PM
not criticizing a win by lakeland at all...they won the game that they should have and thats what title teams do....i agree with what you all said..just cant have brain farts like the unexplainable wlc loss.....lakeland msoe will be a dogfight of a game with the probable winner claiming the conference title barring a meltdown by either team(which i dont see happening)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2006, 11:37:05 AM
Apparently the LMC has a hard time figuring out how to schedule "game days" for the conference.  The WIAC basically has game days every Wednesday and Saturday, while the MWC schedules Friday and Saturday games. 

There are six games involving LMC teams today and only two are conference matchups.  I guess Tuesday is the closest thing to a game day with three (I guess there is only a maximum of four) conference games scheduled.

I'll take Concordia over Dominican, simply because they are at home in Mequon, while MSOE plans on playing with just four players to make the game vs. Maranatha look respectable.

Lakeland takes on Ill. Tech and should be careful because it's one of those games they should win easily but tend to have a hard time getting up for these types of games.

I'll take Clarke and Robert Morris Springfield over Marian and Edgewood, while Indiana-South Bend may beat WLC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 07, 2006, 01:36:32 PM
Your right in saying that the scheduling this season has been sub-par at best for providing double-headers, but that, too, can get a little boaring. 

The Fish are ready to go against IIT today, and I will go out on a limb and say +15 win for the Muskies in the Moose.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 10, 2006, 12:03:57 PM
Well Well, How about that.  No chatter.  That has got to be a first. 

I went out on my limb of the ugly tree and look what happened.  The Fish knocked off IIT by 30.  Double my prediction. 

Today the Fish head south to face a DU team that sits third in the LMC.  If the Fish are not careful, they may be knocked down a peg by the suprise team from Chi-Town Land. 

EC travels to face the Hot again, cold again Falcons.  There is a matchup.  If Cooper and Avercamp are back, EC wins by +10;  if not, CUW +3.

MSOE vs. Marian.  Look for MSOE's dominance to continue against MC.  As much as I would like to root for the Sabers, MSOE looks to have too much for them. 

PEACE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 10, 2006, 12:12:26 PM
I disagree with a couple predictions. I think MSOE could be upset by Marian if they dont bring their A game.  If they bring it, i dont think Marian has a chance with MSOE's gaurds.  Also, I think MSOE's Scott Murphy is the best 4 in the LMC and Marian doesnt have anyone who can stop him.

I also think CU has a shot against Edgewood even if cooper and averkamp play. They are overrated. 

I think Lakeland is gonna take it to Dominican by 10+.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 10, 2006, 12:15:33 PM
Also, I have yet to see Lakeland play this year, but i think that it will be hard for MSOE to beat them all 3 times this year.... and vise versa
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2006, 12:30:09 PM
Warrior_Fish,

yeah, I know, hard to imagine no chatter.  I got sick of talking to myself!  :P

I'll take Concordia at home.  Dominican seems to be better than Edgewood and Dominican won in Mequon.

I think Marian is pretty bad (not horrible, Greg!) and I don't see MSOE choking in Fondy.  Of course, Marian beat Clarke, something that Stevens Point couldn't even do!

Lakeland seems to play well against good opponents, and when it comes to the LMC, Dominican qualifies as that.  So, Lakeland in a close one.

Lastly, for Thursday, look for WLC to pull it out over MBBC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 10, 2006, 02:56:33 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 10, 2006, 12:30:09 PMI think Marian is pretty bad (not horrible, Greg!)

I've seen Marian this season, OS, and I certainly agree with your assessment.

Quote from: Old School on January 10, 2006, 12:30:09 PMLakeland seems to play well against good opponents, and when it comes to the LMC, Dominican qualifies as that.  So, Lakeland in a close one.

I have a free evening, so I may mosey on over to Igini Sports Forum and catch this game tonight.

Quote from: warrior_fish on January 10, 2006, 12:03:57 PMI went out on my limb of the ugly tree and look what happened.  The Fish knocked off IIT by 30.  Double my prediction.

I should've told you that you were low-balling that game. The Red Hawks were 2-15 going into their game at Lakeland, and of all the teams in the Chicagoland area, both NCAA and NAIA, they may be the absolute worst.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on January 10, 2006, 11:02:10 PM
Lakeland wins at Dominican and MSOE wins at Marian. Nice road wins for both. It appears, barring a stumble along the trail, we have our title contenders. Anyone know why they play each other so close together near the end of the season?

I think this conference tournament is really going to be wild this year. Aside from Maranatha, and perhaps Marian, it's going to be hard to pick winners. When is Marian going to make a change on the bench? They always seem to under-achieve.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2006, 11:45:37 PM
Really?  On the road or at a neutral court, I don't see WLC or Edgewood doing much...maybe Concordia can be put in that category as well.

MSOE and Lakeland are definitely #1 and #2, order not withstanding in the weak LMC.  Unfortunately, the LMC will continue to get just one team in the NCAAs.  Lets see if that team can actually win a game come tourney time.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 11, 2006, 01:15:37 AM
I caught the Lakeland @ Dominican game this evening. Lakeland is fun to watch; they're undersized, but they run a terrific motion offense that gave the bigger and faster Stars absolute fits. Plus, the Muskies don't really seem to have a standout player; they appear to be a team of interchangeable parts, so the Stars really had no idea who to concentrate on stopping. They really get after it on defense, too, as Dominican was not able to pound it into the post and use the superior size of big men Mike Haiduk and Erin McMillan down low nearly as much as they wanted to. Of course, Dominican didn't play with much discipline, which made the job easier for the Muskies.

After seeing this game, it's a lot easier for me to understand how Lakeland was able to beat UWSP and hang with Hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: 44 on January 11, 2006, 04:34:34 AM
i watched the cuw beat edgewood tonight and i seth cooper and charlie averkamp are the most overated players in the LMC..matt peets, dave lipanot, and steve huenik dominated them completly...no edgewood player could stop them...if the voting was this week for player of the year in the conference cooper wouldnt even be in the top 5 of the voting
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 11, 2006, 11:00:52 AM
Wow i checked the box score for the edgewood game and Seth Cooper has fallen off big time.  I also saw on the LMC page how a edgewood player got player of the week... wonder how that happened?  So far i would have to vote on jeff mikos as poy.  If he plays good i dont think Lakeland can beat MSOE.

Im going to give my mid conf. rankings

1. MSOE
2. Lakeland
3. Dominican
4. Concordia
5. Edgewood
6. Marian
7. WLC
8. Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2006, 12:30:35 PM
I don't think there are any Dominican fans that post on here and I'm sure no Lakeland followers headed south for the game, but I think LMC fans in general should be proud that Greg Sager made a special trip to see an LMC game!  ;D

If anyone hasn't seen Lakeland play, I think they are a real solid team.  As Greg said, they are fun to watch and he now understands how they beat Point and hung with Hope.

At the Point game, they shot the lights out and moved the ball better than Point did and that performance and what Greg witnessed makes it even harder for me to read when Lakeland goes down to WLC and lays an egg!

If Lakeland can continue to play well when they need to and not "take nights off", they should be able to win the league with two wins over MSOE.  They have a tough one in Mequon this weekend.

We'll go with Dominican over Edgewood, WLC over Marian and the big one, Lakeland over Concordia this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 11, 2006, 03:48:02 PM
The Way I See It,

I don't know if you can proclaim Jeff Mikos as POY. Is he even the best player on the team right now? He is still not having they types of games seniors should have. He is far too inconsistent to be labeled as POY. I mean take last night's game for example. Sure he has 7 dimes, but look at the TO's and the points. He has to make better decisions with the basketball. I do not doubt that he is probably one of the tops in the conference, and I know he has the ability. But i think it is too early to annoint a POY yet (even though i know that was just a gut feeling).

Props to my boys yet again as they pick up the 'W' at Domincan. Everybody that played in the game played at least 10 minutes. There is a lot of depth for a team that was very unsure during preseason. Maybe the new gym has lifted the spirits over in corn countyr. Big test though this weekend. I give the edge to my alma mater though as Lakeland will prevail 65-58.

p.s. Busty, roll out from under your pile of self denial (or in your case empty cans of PBR) and fill us in on the struggles of WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 11, 2006, 05:17:00 PM
Quote from: The Way on January 11, 2006, 03:48:02 PM
The Way I See It,

I don't know if you can proclaim Jeff Mikos as POY. Is he even the best player on the team right now? He is still not having they types of games seniors should have. He is far too inconsistent to be labeled as POY. I mean take last night's game for example. Sure he has 7 dimes, but look at the TO's and the points. He has to make better decisions with the basketball. I do not doubt that he is probably one of the tops in the conference, and I know he has the ability. But i think it is too early to annoint a POY yet (even though i know that was just a gut feeling).

Through process of elimination I would have to narrow it down to Mikos, teammate Floyd Bayiha, and CUW's Matt Peets, who is second in both PPG and RPG in the conference.

But like I said, through process of elimination, you can rule out any Edgewood players because of their enormous underachieving, any Lakeland players because there are about six guys capable of blowing up for 20+ at any given time, which makes all their numbers a lot lower considering the amount of actual talent on the team, and any other player around the league because of the fact that their teams aren't that great.

I always look at POYs as most valuable players, as in, take this guy off the team and how good would they be? With that in mind, I'd have to say Peets get the midseason nod.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on January 12, 2006, 12:20:23 PM
The Midwest Conference will webcast four contests with live audio and video free of charge on Friday, January 13.

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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 12, 2006, 01:39:50 PM
He is the best on his team.  You take away Mikos and his team would be at or below .500.  He makes everybody on his team better and i even though Bayiha is a great Scorer and athlete, he doesnt make the players on his team any better.   Granted if you take away Bayiha it would hurt, it wouldnt be as bad as Mikos.  I dont think you can say taking away Peets would hurt his team any worse that it already is.  They arent winning against the top teams and they would beat Marian, Maranatha, and WLC even if they didnt have him.

If MSOE loses their next 6 games and gets blown out by Lakeland, then obviously i am wrong, but i dont think that will happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 12, 2006, 02:04:22 PM
The Way I See It,

Showtime, I see your point about Mikos, but now see mine. The award in the LMC is given to the Player of the Year,,,not the Most Valuable Player. His stats just don't warrent me to say that he is the POY. Look at Germayne James from Lakeland and ask me how he is any different than Mikos. They both are surrounded by the best supporting casts in the LMC and they are both the floor generals of their respective team. Now i am not saying that James should be POY, but just look at their numbers. They are very comparable.

This is Mikos' 4th year as the starting point guard for MSOE. Has he really improved that much from the time he came in as a freshman and helped lead his team to an NCAA berth? In my eyes, he has underachieved since doing that. He hasn't turned into the player that he should be. He is just way too inconsistent at this stage in his career. He allows himself to get caught up in the flow of the game instead of him dictating the flow.

With that being said, I am not a Mikos hater or don't think he isn't good. Because as i said in an earlier post, I think he is one of the tops in the conference. I just can't vote him as POY yet. If he leads his team to a conference title, maybe then he would get my vote.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 12, 2006, 05:11:52 PM
I understand where you are coming from and point taken.... just my opinion... that so far he is the POY.  My definition of player of the year is if i could choose one person... who would i want.  I dont want someone who scores 20 and grabs 8 rebounds while getting beat by 15 night in and night out.

The coaches vote on this right? I think they will vote for him before Peets or Bayiha and obviously nobody from edgewood, maranatha, wlc, etc. 

If Lakeland sweeps MSOE, I still dont think Peets will get it. Probably someone from Lakeland who steps up.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: 44 on January 12, 2006, 08:12:52 PM
I also think that Matt Peets should get some sort of consideration for POY he is after all #2 in scoring and rebounding also the man can pass the ball he has thrown some amazing passes to his teamates this year...and after watching him do what he wanted to pretty much at will against domincan at the end of the game where he just decieded to take over and then against edgewood where there was no way any one of them could stop him...Averkamp didnt stand a chance against him.  We will see if he even gets considered though or will the LMC be the same way it usually is and show CUW no love for POY( dare i bring up Ryan Wietor)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on January 12, 2006, 11:10:31 PM
i was at the edgewood concordia game and peets was impressive but mostly when averkamp was out of the game.......peets finished with 6 points on averkamp and when he was out dominated the smaller competition....steve huenik was very impressive for the victors skying over defenders to make some ver impressive shots and finish with a game high 20 points...edgewood needs to pick it up this second half or they have a chance to finish just ahead of the baptists in the standings .......concordia lakeland will be a very interesting contest and i think concordia has a chance to pull the upset if the muskies come out flat
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 13, 2006, 11:01:04 AM
The Way I See It,

44 or Matt Peets,,,whichever you go by. Stop coming on here and bragging yourself up and bringing up a can of sour worms about how Concordia gets no love. Go ahead and bring up Ryan Weitor. The year he supposedly should have won the POY in your eyes, he was good in 2 categories (points and rebounds). Those 2 categories don't just automatically make you the POY. I suppose next you are going to complain that they should have handed out the first ever ACY (Assistant Coach of the Year) and given it to Thad Russel.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on January 13, 2006, 11:48:21 PM
Quote from: warrior_fish on January 03, 2006, 10:50:28 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on January 03, 2006, 10:07:56 PM
Anyone able to clue us in as to why Cooper and Averkamp were MIA in Edewood's 65-60 loss in The Tank tonight?

Well Big_Uns,
A little bird told me that there were some evil shenanigans (no, not the resturant with the motzerella stix you like) going on and at least those two, if not one more were suspended for the game tonight.  Someone needs to lock those guys up over new years. 

On a better note, it has been so long since I have been on the winning end of an Edgewood game I have attended, I had forgotten how sore the EC fans get when they dont win.  Geez.  And who is that guy that sits in the stands behind Dr. G.?  He should be hired as the next coach!  He yells from the stands and then the entire coaching staff, (8 including "scouts") starts shouting the exact same thing.  Now, what is more efficient?  1 guy or 8 coaches?  Must be nice to have those kinds of funds. 

A lackluster preformance from the Fish tonight in the Tank, but EC without Cooper or Avercamp was not able to overcome the power of the Moose. 

Matt Rogers for ROY in the LMC!!  Been a long time since this conference has seen a player that can take it to the hole like that, as a freshman. And if Avercamp won it last year and sat out all those games after running into Zeck's arm, Rogers should win hands down.

And Bust Ya'll, no mailbox number, just mail it to the PO BOX.  And dont think I wont wear that size small shirt to games either.  Heck, I might wash it and shrink it first!  ;)

PEACE and remember "GO BIG OR GO HOME" 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on January 13, 2006, 11:52:50 PM
What does it take to be ROY in the LMC? Big_Uns what do you know about Rogers ?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 14, 2006, 11:24:09 AM
I know that unless his production falls off significantly in the second half of the season, he's the clear frontrunner for Rookie of the Year in the LMC right now. I think most of the other crew on here would agree with that assessment.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2006, 02:33:17 AM
Lakeland beats up (http://www.lakeland.edu/Athletics/muskienews.asp?article=1041) on Concordia in Mequon tonight, 77-60.  Here's the boxscore (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/stats05/0114culc.html) for your enjoyment.

WLC tops Marian
Edgewood surprised Dominican in Ill.


MSOE6-0
Lakeland6-1
WLC4-2
Dominican4-4
Edgewood3-4
Concordia3-4
Marian1-6
MBBC0-6

Wow!  An actual GAME DAY on Tuesday with all eight teams facing conference opponents!  What a concept.

Jan. 17 Concordia (Wis.) @ Maranatha*...Concordia: zzzzzzzzz
Jan. 17 Marian @ Lakeland*...Lakeland:  beware of the beartrap.
Jan. 17 MSOE @ Edgewood*...MSOE:  Closer than expected.
Jan. 17 Wis. Lutheran @ Dominican*...WLC:  in a minor upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 16, 2006, 11:55:25 AM
I agree with Concordia beating up on Maranatha. If they win by 40 and their starters play 35 minutes... i will wonder.

Lakeland should beat up on Marian, but we will see.

MSOE will romp Edgewood. That isnt going to be pretty.

Dominican over Wis. Lutheran.  Cause nobody does it like domina-can.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigsnitz on January 16, 2006, 07:53:09 PM
Any one else mystified by the Edgewood team?  A squad with 3 of 5 starters returning, including CPY Cooper, looks completely disfuctional.  From what I've seen, the coaches (all eight of them or however many there are) has no control over the squad.  Most of the players continually run to the ball side calling for the ball, creating horrible spacing.  The bigs jog back on defense, getting beat for lay-ups.  Too many players trying to be "The Guy".  No one seems to be willing to accept a role, and as a result, Larson is succeeding where no one seemed to be able to last season:  making Cooper a non-factor.  Seems like the esteemed Larson can't find a way to get his POY even 10 shots/game.  Good news for the boys at MSOE, I guess.  Should be smooth sailing for the engineers thru the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 16, 2006, 07:58:47 PM
I'll let you know on the 28th.  I'll see the the Edgewood team and the EdgeDome in person when the Pointers of Stevens Point make a visit.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 16, 2006, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: bigsnitz on January 16, 2006, 07:53:09 PM
Good news for the boys at MSOE, I guess.  Should be smooth sailing for the engineers thru the conference tourney.

Umm, I know of this other pretty good team in the conference too...that actually beat Edgewood both times this year. Name's Lakeland. Maybe you've heard of them. If not, MSOE meets up with them twice within the last two weeks of the regular season. If you think it's gonna be smooth sailing, I suggest you double check the forecast because I have a feeling it's not going to be that easy.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on January 17, 2006, 04:10:50 PM
Anyone surprised at WLC's record?  Huh...wierd,

Who's gonna lose?  Domin-i-can!

Bust Ya'll
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 17, 2006, 06:53:13 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on January 17, 2006, 04:10:50 PM
Anyone surprised at WLC's record?  Huh...wierd,

Who's gonna lose?  Domin-i-can!

Bust Ya'll

6-10? Absolutely not surprised at all.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 17, 2006, 10:31:47 PM
Edgewood over MSOE    89-82    GOOD FOR LC

DU over the WLC   87-80     puts a 2 games between the front-runners and 3rd

LC over Mariand   69-59   W and MSOE loss puts LC into tie for 1st.  LC needs to win the rest of their conference games and just one of the MSOE games to capture first. 

PEACE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 17, 2006, 11:39:03 PM
Apparently Seth Cooper didn't like what some of you were writing about him!  >:(  he goes off for 30 to lead Edgewood to the upset of MSOE in Madison.

As posted, WLC falls short and Lakeland gets a leg up with the win over Marian.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 18, 2006, 12:19:57 AM
Is this the start of a revitalized Edgewood team or just a lucky game? Regardless, I think we now know who our REAL top three teams are in the LMC.

I think the most surprising number in that box score is not that Cooper scored 30, but the fact that MSOE shot 64% in the first half and TRAILED by one at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on January 18, 2006, 10:08:11 AM
It would seem Edgewood - with wins over MSOE and a solid Dominican team - is maybe getting its act together. With the addition of Demarco, they could be a force come conference tourney time - that's what the teams in this league play for anyway!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 18, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
Props to Edgewood on the win.  I wasn't at the game, but from the boxscore it looked sloppy.  Edgewood shot 41 freethrows i think, which usually means the W.  I also saw someone from MSOE got Td up which usually means they were biatching about the officiating.  All the Lakeland people are loving that Win. 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on January 18, 2006, 11:33:18 AM
yeah sloppy game overall........it wasnt a technical foul it was a intentional foul on a breakaway near the end of the game...must have been a mixup.......sabree for msoe played a hell of a game and was hitting shots on everyone even hand right in his face....very nice player........cooper showed up big time in the big game and finally started hitting his jump shots....the addition of demarco adds a whole new dimension to the edgewood squad but he was not active for the game yesterday......should be an interesting tourney.....i think lakeland will get the 1 seed
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on January 18, 2006, 02:33:24 PM
Looks to me like we have another great day of conference basketball coming up this Saturday with all eight teams playing each other. Ill give Edgewood the edge over Maranatha by a considerable margin. I think that Dominican will get some revenge on Marian and posibly win by 15+ also coming off a big home conference win to break a losing streak. And I will go out on a limb and say that at least one of our top 2 conference teams will be upset this coming saturday. Expect the Lakeland and Lutheran game to be close with Lutheran putting up a lot of points and also expect Concordia and MSOE to be close also.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on January 18, 2006, 02:56:51 PM
Well well, looks like Dominicould last night, too bad.  Yet WLC is still hanging in there in third place when I believe they were picked to be about 6th in the LMC.  Although they list an embarrassing .353 Overall win pct, they still got that #3 spot in the LMC, and its good to see that the #1 team's only conference loss was to....WLC?  So, a small fluke (those 15 TO's and 17% from 3pt land in the second half might answer some questions)  anyways, they will be back in the saddle for their game at the Tank.  Fishing anyone?
Bust Ya'll

Billy and Leibham it was good chatting with you other LMC folks down on the Street, too bad your record isnt as good as you party.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 18, 2006, 03:45:58 PM
The Way I See It,

WLC must be using the wrong bait when coming to the tank. There hasn't been a close regular season conference game there between the two since Moses parted the Red Sea. It will be no different come this Saturday. Lakeland has been up by 20 after the first half in 4 of the last 5 years (including last year being up by 30 when WLC came to town in 1st place). I just don't see WLC breaking that trend this year. Go Fish!

p.s. Busty, see if you can snag some cute nurses down at the hospital before coming up......there's just something about staring at the 250 lb plus softball team at Lakeland during b-ball games that makes me wonder whether i am going after the right gender!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on January 18, 2006, 07:12:38 PM
The Way
             I have a question for you,it seems everyone is really big fan of the LMC what do you think about the conference disbanding next year and possibly the new conference playing more Ilinois teams? I wish I could make more Muskie games but someone has to pay the bills . Can you tell me who is the Muskies biggest rivals are ?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on January 18, 2006, 07:22:34 PM
Put Justin Bertrand  on the floor and sit back and enjoy I watched him for 3 years and he is fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 19, 2006, 11:24:35 AM
The Way I See It,

The Muskies biggest rival would have to be their location. Being out in the middle of a cornfield is a tough sell for recruits. Also throw in the fact that you have the WIAC to battle against as far as recruiting and you have yourself a recipe for ups and downs. But i think through it all, Lakeland found an identity under Paul Combs and his staff and that continues today under Coach Grzesk and his staff.

Lakeland has gone from being a threat to only conference foes several years back to being a threat to anyone they step on the court with. They split with the WIAC this year and took a Hope team that was ranked #7 in the nation to the wire...at Hope I might add.

But as far as big in conference rivals, I just don't see it. I think in the LMC there is just too much player turnover and too little press coverage to really have any rivalries carry on. The biggest rivalry I see in the LMC probably isn't even between teams. I would have to say it is between the 6th man of WLC and Coach Steven Larson of Edgewood. There is definitely no love loss in that relationship.

But as for this weekend's game in the tank...

Lakeland - 77
WLC - 58
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 19, 2006, 01:53:37 PM
What teams are going where? I know that MSOE is going to be independent with hopes of joining the same MWC the following year.  Personally i think that would be a good fit for them.

I would say Lakelands biggest rival is probably edgewood, then WLC which really isnt a rival but more just someone they talk **** with. 

I pick lakeand by 25 over WLC and MSOE by 17 over CU. Dominican over marian by 4 and Edgewood runs up the score against those poor maranatha boys.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 19, 2006, 01:57:34 PM
When I went to Lakeland, I hated Concordia and continue to show them "they're #1" everytime I drive down I-43.

I would say either Concordia or Marian is a big rival for Lakeland, just my opinion.

The WIAC isn't as big of a recruiting rival as the MWC, I would think.  There are more MWC teams on this side of the state than there are WIAC teams (Whitewater is really the only Eastern team, this side of HWY 41).

The obvious difference between the WIAC and the LMC is public vs. private, costs etc.  But, trying to sell a LMC school over a MWC school is harder because they are all private and small.

Big Game Day this weekend!

MSOE bounces back and takes Concordia
Edgewood continues winning ways over MBBC
Dominican win vs. Marian
Lakeland whips WLC

Prior to that, Baptist takes down WLC tonight and Lakeland warms up for this weekend with a big win over Viterbo
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 19, 2006, 01:59:37 PM
Greg Sager,

Would you know what teams are combining from the NIIC and the LMC or where we can find that information?

Would the MWC really had another team?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 19, 2006, 02:20:43 PM
I think all of them, with the exception of MSOE and Clarke..HUGE CONFERENCE, very little non conference games
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 19, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 19, 2006, 01:59:37 PM

Would you know what teams are combining from the NIIC and the LMC or where we can find that information?

Would the MWC really had another team?

Old School,

MSOE and Clarke are out.  Otherwise, everyone is in.  MSOE is making a good play at trying to get in the MWC.  I think they are playing this year for the hope and dream of winning the conference and tourney and showing the MWC that they can play with their teams.  To bad that Floyd will leave and Mikos will be gone so they will be be majorly limping into that conference.    SAD

WLC's biggest rival is Edgewood.  From Coach Larson showing them they were the #1 sixth man to the rompus edgedome.  I know WLC allum's that still cannot stand anyone or anything associated with them.

Lakeland's biggest rival is probably CUW.  From football and the cheese bowl to basketball and soccer, CUW and LC just do not get along. 

PEACE 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2006, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: warrior_fish on January 19, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 19, 2006, 01:59:37 PM

Would you know what teams are combining from the NIIC and the LMC or where we can find that information?

Would the MWC really had another team?

Old School,

MSOE and Clarke are out.  Otherwise, everyone is in.  MSOE is making a good play at trying to get in the MWC.  I think they are playing this year for the hope and dream of winning the conference and tourney and showing the MWC that they can play with their teams.  To bad that Floyd will leave and Mikos will be gone so they will be be majorly limping into that conference.    SAD

You forgot Eureka. The Red Devils will forsake the newly-merged entity and instead join the SLIAC next season.

And don't speak about MSOE joining the MWC as if it's a done deal, Warrior Fish. It isn't. For one thing, adding only one school would leave the league unbalanced at eleven members. For another, MSOE doesn't have a football program. The MWC is a fully-fledged football league, with all ten current members fielding teams on the gridiron. They may not want a non-football member. Finally, MSOE is a school that has a distinctly different profile than that of the ten current members. MSOE is a specialty institution, an engineering school that only offers four majors. The ten current MWC members are all liberal arts institutions. That may enter into the decision whether or not to accept MSOE into the fold.

OS, I don't know if the MWC would or will add another member or members. I do know that several schools are applying to join it besides MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 19, 2006, 10:55:33 PM
The Way I See It

Lakeland takes it to Viterbo in one of those tweener games (playing a nonconference game in the middle of 2 conference games). The Muskies shot their fins off and won by about 15. I hope they are equally impressive this saturday as i take in the game first hand.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 19, 2006, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2006, 08:45:50 PM
OS, I don't know if the MWC would or will add another member or members. I do know that several schools are applying to join it besides MSOE.

I really don't know much about the goings on regarding the two conferences joining...I'm sure more later when all is official.  But, it did strike me a little strange that MSOE was applying to join the MWC.  I really didn't think the MWC would want another team to it's already big 10-team conference (where they dont' even play everyone twice), let alone adding just one team.  This isn't Division 1 where it's "cool" to have huge power conferences with 12-16 teams in it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2006, 01:37:32 AM
Quote from: Old School on January 19, 2006, 11:45:52 PMI really don't know much about the goings on regarding the two conferences joining...I'm sure more later when all is official.  But, it did strike me a little strange that MSOE was applying to join the MWC.  I really didn't think the MWC would want another team to it's already big 10-team conference (where they dont' even play everyone twice), let alone adding just one team.  This isn't Division 1 where it's "cool" to have huge power conferences with 12-16 teams in it. 

That's a good point, OS. The MWC might bar the door to aspiring members out of a simple desire to keep the league at a manageable size.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 20, 2006, 09:16:27 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2006, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: warrior_fish on January 19, 2006, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 19, 2006, 01:59:37 PM

Would you know what teams are combining from the NIIC and the LMC or where we can find that information?

Would the MWC really had another team?

Old School,

MSOE and Clarke are out.  Otherwise, everyone is in.  MSOE is making a good play at trying to get in the MWC.  I think they are playing this year for the hope and dream of winning the conference and tourney and showing the MWC that they can play with their teams.  To bad that Floyd will leave and Mikos will be gone so they will be be majorly limping into that conference.    SAD

You forgot Eureka. The Red Devils will forsake the newly-merged entity and instead join the SLIAC next season.

And don't speak about MSOE joining the MWC as if it's a done deal, Warrior Fish. It isn't. For one thing, adding only one school would leave the league unbalanced at eleven members. For another, MSOE doesn't have a football program. The MWC is a fully-fledged football league, with all ten current members fielding teams on the gridiron. They may not want a non-football member. Finally, MSOE is a school that has a distinctly different profile than that of the ten current members. MSOE is a specialty institution, an engineering school that only offers four majors. The ten current MWC members are all liberal arts institutions. That may enter into the decision whether or not to accept MSOE into the fold.

OS, I don't know if the MWC would or will add another member or members. I do know that several schools are applying to join it besides MSOE.

MSOE has 17 majors and 7 graduate programs.  Granted many are engineering related.  They may decide not to take MSOE because of football, but it wont be an academic reason.  I mean every confrence has teams that finish low in the conference. I dont think MSOE is going to be the bottom feeder in every sport in that league(if they get in).  Some sports they would win the title.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 20, 2006, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: Old School on January 19, 2006, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 19, 2006, 08:45:50 PM
OS, I don't know if the MWC would or will add another member or members. I do know that several schools are applying to join it besides MSOE.

I really don't know much about the goings on regarding the two conferences joining...I'm sure more later when all is official.  But, it did strike me a little strange that MSOE was applying to join the MWC.  I really didn't think the MWC would want another team to it's already big 10-team conference (where they dont' even play everyone twice), let alone adding just one team.  This isn't Division 1 where it's "cool" to have huge power conferences with 12-16 teams in it. 

I think the odd number and size of the MWC are the biggest factors hurting MSOE.  Not football or academics.  If MSOE wins the championship this year and gets a NCAA spot - That would help. A win although unlikely would lock it up for me if i was on the board (although this is bigger than just mens bball, mens bball just gets the most pub).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2006, 05:39:58 PM
My bad on the MSOE majors, Showtime. I was going by what a LMC insider told me. Serves me right for not going onto the MSOE website and looking it up myself. Let that be a lesson to all you young'uns.  ;)

I was not implying that MSOE's academics were somehow substandard to those of the current MWC's members. I don't know how MSOE stacks up to those ten schools in terms of test scores, average HS academic rank, etc. What I was saying is that MSOE is different, not worse. An engineering school is a pretty different animal than a liberal arts school, and the current MWC membership may consider that enough of a pretext to deny MSOE's application. The current ten members are a pretty homogenous bunch, and administrators like that sort of homogeneity in athletic conferences.

I suspect, though, that the biggest drawbacks to MSOE's application are their lack of a football team, their odd-man-out status in seeking to become an eleventh member, and OS's point that a league that already has ten members may not be looking to get even bigger.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on January 20, 2006, 07:45:31 PM
The MWC spring meetings will be very interesting. I can't reveal exactly what I've been told but if things fall a certain way there might be as many as 15 teams involved. Based on that there could certainly be a split up with a completely new conference being formed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 20, 2006, 07:56:55 PM
      Edgewood has also applied to the LMC. They are keeping it under wraps a little bit. They are not the only school who is going along with the merger, but has some reservations. The driving force behind the merger is FB. The goal is to become a strong football conference.  
    The question is, why did the LMC have to fold? The LMC held all the cards - AQ's in every sport (except FB). Competitive programs in every sport. A distinct name. (can you get more vanilla than the Northern Athletic Conference? Okay, maybe the Midwest Conference. . .) Eight (9 on the women's side) members and none of the disfunction of the NIIC. The LMC has 20+ years of history and has been a part of the NCAA III for almost 10 years. The NIIC members should have been made to join the LMC just like Dom. The original LMC schools folded pretty quickly. There is no reason why it had to give up it's name and rewrite all its bylaws, just to add Rockford, Aurora, Ben, and CURF.
  The merger will definitely hurt "specialty" schools like MSOE and MBBC, but I'm not sure what the Red Raiders gain by going to the MWC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 20, 2006, 08:00:26 PM
There might be enough teams to keep the LMC alive. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 01:27:39 AM
This is a pretty quiet, obscure merger. There's been so little talk and almost ZERO news about it in the year-plus it's been on the table. But considering how little information the two source conferences and the member schools involved put out, I guess I can't be surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on January 21, 2006, 09:09:50 AM
If the LMC has to fold it might not be a bad thing. I say that from an NCAA tournament selection criteria perspective. Sure, there'd be to automatic bid to compete for but you'd fall into the Pool B category where 14 or 15 wins should put you in every time. Wisconsin isn't exactly the worse place to be an independant team. Plenty of good teams around who all need to schedule non-conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 21, 2006, 10:53:03 AM
That's not going to happen, Roop. The new league formed from the merger of the LMC and NIIC will constitute somewhere between 10-12 schools. The only school that is possibly contemplating an independent existence (and thus a potential quest for a Pool B bid) is MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on January 21, 2006, 11:00:25 AM
It is likely to happen now that "The Roop" has said it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
The new conference is going to have a two-year waiting period for an automatic bid unless they take the LMC name and structure and have enough returning members from that group to maintain the LMC's bid.

But everything sounds like it's going to be a brand-new conference, so the members will be in Pool B for two years, like the Interstate Eight on the east coast.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 01:29:04 PM
Quote from: "The Roop" on January 21, 2006, 09:09:50 AM
... Sure, there'd be to automatic bid to compete for but you'd fall into the Pool B category where 14 or 15 wins should put you in every time. ...

Roop, respectfully, Pool B has had some unusual participants including the 2004 UDallas team that went 13-12 and lost at Sul Ross State in the first round.

I think that it will take no less than an in-region winning percentage >/= .700 and at least a 14-6 in region record.  That may only include the top 1-2 teams in that new conference.

The other dynamic in Pool B during the "Era of Musical Conferences" is the other Pool B teams.  NJCU was Pool B last year, in their one-year hiatus from the NJAC.

Let's look at the Pool B teams when you have "Musical Conferences": 

--from the Interstate 8, 2001 Champion Catholic.
--some weak Northeast Region or East Region high win teams, (like the 2002 Pool B Cazenovia team that lost at Williams 121-49

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/02/pairings.htm  )

or a Mississippi College and a Maryville TN that decide to join a new "Little SEC".

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?m=20051212

(Maryville and Mississippi College are almost 2 locks for Pool B bids).

--the NEAC moves from Pool B to Pool A in 2006-07.  There goes an allocated Pool B bid, regardless of Villa Julie and Chestnut Hill.

I haven't heard if Clarke has decided to join the New Conference.

Pool B is not likely to pick up to many extra bids either.  The allocation ratio for Pool B schools is hovering around 1:9.00.  The Pres AC is likely to move to Pool A in 2007-08.  That means that there should be only 5-6 Pool B bids available.

This should be fascinating to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 21, 2006, 03:39:18 PM
Clarke is out. They might join a conference in Iowa. They are  not joining the merger for all the reasons that WLC, MBBC, Dom, Edge, Marian are whispering, but not acting on. I think that part of the reason that there has been so little press about the merger is because many of the schools are not too excited about it, but feel they have no choice. The only teams that are enthusiastic about it seem to be Aurora and Concordia WI. I don't think it would take much to scuttle the merger if the right presidents or AD's got in a room without Concordia's president. 
The AQ would have been preserved if MSOE had stayed with the merger. The NAC will not have have one until 2008. MSOE was late in pulling out - if they had bolted a couple of months earlier, they might have taken several of the original LMC schools with them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 03:52:19 PM
The North Atlantic Conference should sue for its initials. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 22, 2006, 12:19:43 PM
If MSOE gets into the MWC great.... if not who cares. What i heard comes from about as good a source as you can find. Im not going to be name dropping....but i was told if MSOE sports look good this year... and they dont jump into a new conference next year(and do ok).... they will have a great chance at the MWC.  Well who cares... im changing the subject to the games last night. 

Edgewood looks to have beat up on Maranatha.  I'll leave that one alone. 

Dominican over Marian.

MSOE comes back and beats concordia.  This was my first CU game this year and i was impressed with the CU team.  I think their younger players are starting to play well and I am thinking they might upset someone in the tournament.  Peets was trying to do to much and ended up in foul trouble early and almost got Td up after he fouled out. The ref was in the motion of giving him the T and a player ran over and grabbed him and the ref stopped. I have never seen that before.  Either way he didnt play to hot.   I think MIkos scored almost all of his points in the 2nd half as CU couldnt stop him which cost them the game.

Lakeland by 9 over WLC to avenge the earlier game this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 22, 2006, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on January 22, 2006, 12:19:43 PM
Lakeland by 9 over WLC to avenge the earlier game this year.

It was 11--71-60. The game was all Lakeland's from beginning to end basically. They rotated 10 guys throughout easily, which gave WLC fits trying to keep up. Matt Rogers solidified his bid for Rookie of the Year by playing great (15 points, 5 boards in 21 minutes) filling in for Tyrone Coleman who was in foul trouble the entire game.

I gotta say that I lost a lot of respect for WLC in the game. They complained and complained about every single call as if they felt like they were owed something just because they're WLC. At several times I was anticipating technicals to be called on Coach Noon or Biesterfeld for arguing calls. Just play the game. You weren't going to win anyway, and there were a lot of no-calls in the game on both sides.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 22, 2006, 03:04:47 PM
Barring a major collapse, MSOE and Lakeland are headed for a showdown for the conference title with two games against each other.  Both have a three-game lead (in the loss column) on Dominican, Edgewood, Lutheran and Concordia.

Amazingly, the LMC could have a very slim chance at a Pool C bid because both MSOE's and Lakeland's in-region records are pretty good.  Their QOWI is pretty bad, with only Lakeland (9.00) in the Top 100.  But, with lots of conference games to go in the other midwest regions (and the CCIW at least a much tougher conference to "run the table"), losses will pile up for other midwest region teams. 

If Lakeland or MSOE can run the table and then lose in the conference final, we could see something unbelievable! (though the overall winning %s of the other teams aren't going to help MSOE or Lakeland's QOWI)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 22, 2006, 03:28:17 PM
Based on the win over UWSP and their performances against UWLax and Hope, Lakeland stands at having the better shot at the Pool C bid if they lose in the tournament.

I also forgot to mention there was a Dominic James sighting at The Tank on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 22, 2006, 03:46:26 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on January 22, 2006, 03:28:17 PM
Based on the win over UWSP and their performances against UWLax and Hope, Lakeland stands at having the better shot at the Pool C bid if they lose in the tournament.
I also forgot to mention there was a Dominic James sighting at The Tank on Saturday.

Basically, based on the win over UWSP.  The loss to La Crosse is a loss and an in-region loss nonetheless.  The loss to Hope doesn't matter because it was out-of-region.

Maybe you were just mentioning those games in terms of Lakeland just being the better of the two teams (MSOE being the other, of course) and having the better chance to run the table.  If that's the case, I agree with you.  In terms of the NCAA selection committee, only the win over Point is good.  This isn't D1 where "quality losses" are a plus!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 22, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
Yes I do believe that Lakeland is the better of the two teams, if only for the fact that they can basically play 40 minutes without giving up much talent no matter who is on the court for them. That said, I think that if they do lose in the conference tournament, they'd be one of the bigger snubs if they didn't get a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on January 22, 2006, 09:48:00 PM
old school or big uns,
I'm a rookie at this what is the QOWI and what is a pool c ? This is the first I am following college at the D3 level normally I'm a Atlantic 10  fan so could you help me here?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2006, 10:27:22 PM
Muskie Fan:

There's a rather extensive explanation of playoff questions and answers in our FAQ, which is linked on the front page (and all other news pages) as well as at the bottom of my post.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2006, 02:40:35 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
The new conference is going to have a two-year waiting period for an automatic bid unless they take the LMC name and structure and have enough returning members from that group to maintain the LMC's bid.

But everything sounds like it's going to be a brand-new conference, so the members will be in Pool B for two years, like the Interstate Eight on the east coast.

Yeah, I didn't realize that changing the name meant having to start over from scratch as far as an automatic qualifier was concerned, so I owe a "my bad" to Roop for that one. But from what I was told this weekend, the new league would lose the bid even if it retained the LMC name if it dipped below the seven required members (i.e., MSOE and Edgewood leaving the fold to join the MWC or go indie -- I've heard from a couple of sources now that Edgewood is really unhappy about being tied to the NIIC schools, and like MSOE wants to jump to the MWC), regardless of how many new members they picked up to compensate. True or false, Pat?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2006, 03:22:34 AM
My understanding is that is not correct. As long as you have seven members every year, and you have four "core" members in common from year to year, you should be able to maintain an already-existing automatic bid.

There may be more regulations that I'm not aware of, but that's what I am aware of ...

I don't know how many core members from the LMC are remaining in the league under the various possibilities. Like I said, this deal has been pretty quiet. And Northern Athletic Conference? Give me a break. Take Illini-Badger -- at least that almost means something. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 23, 2006, 09:14:13 PM
Pretty generic, eh?

The merger is all about football and getting Concordia, Aurora and maybe Lakeland into the national football picture.

Edgewood is pretty uneasy about the merger, but I don't think they are trying to scuttle it, just leave if they can get into the MWC. However, they would rather be a part of the NAC than be independent.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on January 23, 2006, 10:42:39 PM
so lets say that just msoe leaves...would there still be no bid in the new conference? anyone with any valid information on this would be very helpful
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 24, 2006, 12:22:45 AM
If MSOE had stayed, the bid would have been preserved, when they pulled the bid was lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 24, 2006, 02:17:20 PM
Tonight--
Jan. 24 Concordia (Wis.) @ Lakeland*
Jan. 24 Dominican @ Edgewood*
Jan. 24 Maranatha @MSOE*
Jan. 24 Wis. Lutheran @ Marian*

CU over Lakeland -- 68-67
Dominican over Edgewood -- 74-66
MSOE rolls -- 98-64
Marian 66 WLC 64
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 24, 2006, 09:52:53 PM
You were almost dead-on with Lakeland's score at least. Lakeland absolutely dominated Concordia. Saiberlich with 27 points. Peets lost his POY bid with an completely horrid performance.

Moose's Maniacs were out in pretty good force tonight. Probably the noisiest I've seen The Aquarium all year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 25, 2006, 09:38:30 AM
Thats scarey how bad Lakeland beat Concordia. 

Saiberlich should get Player of the week for that game..... oh wait it is going to go to another wdgewood player.  I still think someone from MSOE or Lakeland should get POY(not cooper or avercamp ---barf)...depending on who plays good in those games.

My conf. rankings:
1. Lakeland - Lately nobody has scared em.
2. MSOE - Not playing good enough to beat Lakeland (turnovers and no offensive rebounding)
3. Edgewood - even though i dislike them... they are winning
4. CU/DU -- Sleeper teams that can knock off a big dog.
5. Marion
6. WLC
7. Maranatha Baptisimo
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 25, 2006, 12:26:22 PM
It really seems like Lakeland has been playing well as of late.  MSOE has had some close games, but are still winning theirs.  Those two LC/MSOE games are going to be pretty good.  The rest of the league is playing spoiler and Edgewood looks like they've turned it around.  I hope they don't win on Saturday as they take on my Pointers!  ;D

Not sure what has happened to Dominican.  Heck, they actually got a vote in the Top 25 real early in the season.  It's too bad the LMC is really bad in the nation's eyes because I think Lakeland could actually be considered for a vote or two!

1. Lakeland
2. MSOE
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3 Edgewood
4. Dominican
5. WLC
6. Concordia
7. Marian
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8. Maranatha


I think Lakeland is too balanced for one of their players to get POTY. 

Only two conference games this weekend.  I think WLC can upset MSOE, and I'm not just saying that because I favor Lakeland.  WLC upset LC down there, so there's a chance.

Lakeland shouldn't have any problem with Dominican.  They finish up a 3-game homestand and should win.

If Edgewood has any inside game, they'll keep it close with Point.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 25, 2006, 12:53:29 PM
The thing about Lakeland is that they have about 11 guys who are ready to step up at any time when needed. James hasn't scored over 10 points in the past two games, but Saiberlich and Rogers have both come up big in both, and Nick Howard put up 11 last night. This is exactly the reason they will not have the POY this year, but it's also the reason they might be looking at a conference championship, and that is the most important thing.

Most of the other teams around the league, when their top players go cold, there aren't too many other options. And I'm not sure how you can stop a team when you don't know who the ball is going to go to each time down the court.

They've been playing terrific defense, their ball movement on offense has been stellar, and I don't think anyone in the league can compete IF the Muskies keep this up.

Ever since the Hope game, that team has been at another level.

But they still need to beat MSOE. And I'm going to stress NEED once more. Whoever goes into the tournament as the #2 is going to have some trouble. Right now, the #2 would face Marian in the first round. Marian's a team that could in the right circumstances play above a #7 seed. Then in the second round have Edgewood (provided they win against #6, who is Concordia right now) come to town. Then go on the road in the championship game.

That game next week Tuesday at MSOE is huge. And neither team better be looking ahead to it like I am, because there are some upset minded foes on Saturday in Dominican and WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 25, 2006, 01:18:09 PM
The Way I See It,

My Muskies are perfect in the new year. Look for that to continue this weekend. But i am a little dissappointed in the fan turnout last Saturday for a weekend game. I mean christ, what else is there to do in the fields on a saturday in the winter? Hopefully Tuesday's game provided that spark to the fans so they can come out to support the team. They are a fun team to watch and have a pretty good/quiet record of 16-4. I don't think their losses to weak opponents or the reputation of the conference will warrant 2 births in the NCAA tournament come March. So it is either win the conference tourny or bust for this conference. Playing in front of an energized crowd at the tank could go a long way in helping the Muskies earn that automatic birth (which i think we most of us agree would give the conference it's best chance this year to get the first NCAA tourny win).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on January 25, 2006, 02:45:01 PM
I agree with Old School that WLC could pull out an upset this Saturday. With a loss at Edgewood and a close win at home against Concordia, MSOE has shown that they are beatable. If Lakeland keeps up what they are doing, they will probbly be untouchable. The fish will sweep MSOE. that is of course if that last game means anything for the fish.

As far as POY goes I still think that Saiberlich and James are in the hunt. Followed by Mikos and Bayiha. If both teams fall apart, but I don't see that happening and Dominican finishes out strong then Haiduc should get some consideration. Perhaps even Averkamp if Edgewood keeps grinding out wins and the top two teams fall apart. But let me repeat, I dont see that happening at least not to both of them. Peets could be in consideration, but the dirty birds keep piling up too many losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 25, 2006, 03:25:25 PM
MSOE has shown they are beatable. It wont happen against WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: d_3_watcher on January 25, 2006, 04:04:26 PM
1. To showtimeSmyHero: Never say never.
2. Don't forget that MSOE was behind last night to Maranatha and behind all the first half and the first ten minutes of the second half of the Concordia game.
3. MSOE has only three starters.
4. MSOE is having a great year, but they have had to adjust on the fly all year.
5. Since betting is not allowed on college games I can't bet on Lakeland.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2006, 01:08:07 AM
Quote from: d_3_watcher on January 25, 2006, 04:04:26 PM
3. MSOE has only three starters.

They'd probably be better if they started five guys.  :D

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 26, 2006, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 26, 2006, 01:08:07 AM
Quote from: d_3_watcher on January 25, 2006, 04:04:26 PM
3. MSOE has only three starters.

They'd probably be better if they started five guys.  :D


:o ??? :-\ :-[

WOW Old School, I think they should deduct Karma Points for that one.  Geesh.  I mean, I understand that things are a bit quiet in here and you wanted to lighten the mood, but come on.  We go from having Pat himself ripping on the NAC (Northeren Athletic Conference) to a cheezy comment like that?  Im at a loss for words how bad that is.



This Weekend in the LMC,

WLC vs. MSOE (the initals battle)  WLC will upset MSOE to help out the Fish.  I have faith in the Warriors.  To Hagel "YOU CAN DO IT" 

WLC      95
MSOE    89       <<<barn burner at the REX

EC vs. UW-SP   Point is having an off year, but has a shot at coming back to win the WIAC conference tourney.  A soft EC team will not contend. 

EC            58
UWSP       79    <<<no edgedome problems for UWSP

CUW vs. ???  Whomever it may be, I'll still take the field. 

CUW        55
????        more that 55

LC vs. DU   The Fish went down to Chi-Town and took care of business earlier this year.  The "Tank" has been very unfriendly to opponents this season, and look for that trend to continue as the Muskies dominance continues. 

LC      71
DU      54
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 26, 2006, 06:16:37 PM
The Way I See It,

That was a great one liner Old School. Despite Warrior_Fish and his sincere hate for it, I enjoyed the dry humor. The board needs that every once in a while. I think we sometimes get so entwined with leaving smart and meaninful comments that we forget to talk to that inner-child that each of us has.

But on the same token, you also make a very good point. If MSOE is in fact starting only 3 players, I would think they would want to make the change to 5 down the stretch. Forget all that talk I made earlier about Mikos committing so many turnovers. I guess i didn't realize he was getting triple teamed with lilterally no outlets to throw the ball to.

And i also predict MSOE will win over WLC regardless of how many they start. WLC has shown over the last week the team they really are instead of the team they were pretending to be. It was embarrassing to watch the amount of complaining that went on in that game last week at Lakeland by the WLC players and coaching staff. I mean sure, 2 of the 3 stooges were reffing the game, but at some point you have to shut your yappers and just play the game. Both teams were getting the same calls. And plus MSOE doesn't really get spooked by the REX. I look for them to win going away.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 26, 2006, 11:47:23 PM
Quote from: The Way on January 26, 2006, 06:16:37 PM
The Way I See It,
Forget all that talk I made earlier about Mikos committing so many turnovers. I guess i didn't realize he was getting triple teamed with lilterally no outlets to throw the ball to.
It was embarrassing to watch the amount of complaining that went on in that game last week at Lakeland by the WLC players and coaching staff. I mean sure, 2 of the 3 stooges were reffing the game, but at some point you have to shut your yappers and just play the game. Both teams were getting the same calls.


Almight "THE WAY"

Inner Child?  Psyc major anyone???  Come on, you can't pass of a desert dry comment like that as talking to the inner child. 

Mikos not having anyone to pass the ball too? ???  I thought that Floyd was the answer to all of MSOE's problems in that department.  Now, what you are telling me is Mikos is the teams only threat?   Is that just a shamless ploys to try and say you vote for Milos as POY???   
--
Yes Skip did complain a lot durring the first half of the game at LC.  Have you listned to Miller or Larson lately?  I have heard a lot more complaining from them over the years than Skip.  Granted, it may have been a ploy to try and get his players into the game and amped up to upset in the Tank, but seriously...

WLC is the team this year that can and will play spoiler.  They did it to LC at the REX and have been known to upset teams with their minds on that next game.  I think MSOE is looking at that game on tuesday and not thinking about the up-and-down Warriors.   I again think WLC in a high scoring spoiler. 

PEACE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 27, 2006, 01:35:09 AM
I think both MSOE and Lakeland are vulnerable for upsets given the opponents at hand. Just because Lakeland has been playing great ball lately doesn't make them immune to being the ones looking ahead.

Even with that possibility, with the coaches and players on the team, I don't think that's the case. I like LC with a 10-point win.

As for MSOE and WLC, I think this game will be close, but MSOE pulls it out in the end. I don't think WLC has got the drive to play all 40 minutes. They didn't against LC, and basically mailed it in once it seemed even close to hopeless.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 27, 2006, 10:03:13 AM
I dont think they need to justify mikos or floyd biyahsomething being the reason for MSOE's success or being top candidates for player of the year. If you have seen MSOE play you would see that Mikos is probably going to get the votes from coaches as he is better.

I dont think that is a given. If lakeland whoops their ass twice, i dont think either floyd or mikos should get it.

my picks:
UWSP 86
Edgewood 56

Dom vs Lakeland -- I think this is the only possible upset game this weekend...still lakeland wins 73-64.

p.s. MSOE whoops up on WLC by 15 -- 85-70

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 27, 2006, 10:46:34 AM
The Way I See It,

Warrior_Fish,

You need to focus more on your SID duties than you do your posting duties. Let me explain my comment about Mikos to you so that you understand. A previous poster had said they only start 3 people. Old School said they would be better off starting 5. I laughed at that and took it a step further. I SARCASTICALLY stated that must be the reason Mikos doesn't have anybody to throw to if they are only starting 3 people. I am sorry that this went over the top of your head. From now on i will spell things out for you.

And don't even get me started on you defending WLC. Remember, you are at Lakeland now...not WLC. Since you sit at the scorer's table, you should know that the amount of complaining in that game was terrible. It wasn't just one or two calls,,,,it was EVERY call.  I have been associated with many WLC games and this was by far the worst as far as complaining.

And remember Warrior_Fish, I am a Muskie fan. No need for there to be a ripple between us.

With that said,

LC, MSOE , Point will all get wins. I could care less about the other games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 27, 2006, 11:18:11 AM
Quote from: The Way on January 27, 2006, 10:46:34 AM
And don't even get me started on you defending WLC. Remember, you are at Lakeland now...not WLC. Since you sit at the scorer's table, you should know that the amount of complaining in that game was terrible. It wasn't just one or two calls,,,,it was EVERY call.  I have been associated with many WLC games and this was by far the worst as far as complaining.

Agreed.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 27, 2006, 12:15:29 PM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on January 27, 2006, 10:03:13 AM
my picks:
UWSP 86
Edgewood 56

Point's not winning by 30.  They don't have two All-Americans on their team anymore.  They might win by 15 and it could easily be a lot closer.  Their defense is a shadow of what it was last year and they sometimes have issues scoring.  Edgewood has played better recently, coming from 19 down to win, so it'll be a lot closer than you might think.  All because it's a WIAC team vs. an LMC team doesn't mean it's going to be a blowout.  :-[

Edgewood probably has a better chance of upsetting Point than Dominican does to Lakeland.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 27, 2006, 12:41:29 PM
Well i may have let my emotions get the better of me(not a big edgewood fan and grew up going to point games). WW only beat marian by 20...even though it was a total blowout and could have been 40.  Point did beat UWEC by 20something recently. Since it is at edgewood and 30 was a little out of control,  i am going to change the score to UWSP 73 - Edgewood 56.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on January 27, 2006, 04:41:01 PM
Well I appreciate the support Mitch maybe a steak dinner would be a worthy "thank you."  With the little respect that WLC gets in the LMC its nice to get a fresh breath of air. 
I seriously dont know why everyone just despises WLC, they really do have a team of raw talent it just never fires on the same piston, but when it does...well just ask Lakeland.  I guess the beatings we gave the conference back in the apex of our power had emotionally scarred everyone involved, the best comparison would be to relate it to a dad beating his child (theres some more psych for you guys).  Well, those times have long since past and we now have a wild unpredictable LMC.  Lakeland is good, but the teams from Concordia, MSOE, Edgewood, WLC, and Dominican are all within the same talent spectrum.  With that said...look for a WLC win tomorrow.  You guys are right, MSOE isn't spooked by the REX, they are TERRIFIED!  SORRY BOUT IT!
Bust Ya'll

And one more point to make-  All that crap about the players complaining too much, what a bunch of hypocrites you guys are.  Everytime I pull that stunt I get ten guys to jump on my post about how I'm just being a sore fan.  Its sad that even though you won, you still find it neccessary to kick a dog while its down.  But hey, we are WLC, the discrimination comes with the job.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on January 27, 2006, 05:54:08 PM
I can't believe the LMC got a headline  (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/coll/jan06/387933.asp) over the WIAC and Midwest.

Could the LMC get its first NCAA tournament win this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2006, 02:00:23 AM
Would anyone be kind enough to tell me how to get to the EdgeDome from the beltline?  I know there is an "Edgewood exit" but not sure if the gyme is near the college.

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 28, 2006, 10:20:02 AM
The Way I See It

Sorry Warrior_Fish,,,,I know you are not the SID. I got carried away in my earlier post. I apologize for misinforming people.

Now on to Busty. I don't know what you are looking for with that last post. In my response about the WLC players, I basically said they were absolute babies and it was embarrassing to watch. I don't know how you can say that i am a hypocrite for saying that when i have said that all along. There are two ways to respond when the officiating is bad....they obviously choose the lesser of the two more often.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2006, 11:43:49 AM
Quote from: The Way on January 28, 2006, 10:20:02 AM
Now on to Busty. I don't know what you are looking for with that last post. In my response about the WLC players, I basically said they were absolute babies and it was embarrassing to watch. I don't know how you can say that i am a hypocrite for saying that when i have said that all along.

I think Busty is saying, in general, when [he] has bitched about the reffing, and to a lesser extent, the players complaining, he's gotten jumped on pretty bad.  In the most recent case, posters have actually agreed, instead of criticizing the said poster for ripping the refs.  I think that's what Mr. Busty is trying to point out.

That's neither here or there since I have no dog in this particular fight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 28, 2006, 01:51:35 PM
The Way I See It,

Point taken Old School. I see where you are coming from with that.
Watch out down at the Edgedome today. One wrong step in that underground space they call a gym and you may not make it out. Let us know the outcome. I am interested to hear how the Eagles respond to the task at hand.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on January 28, 2006, 06:52:30 PM
Lakeland      77
DU                51

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on January 28, 2006, 11:39:42 PM
With the new league forming next year in the (NAC) what will we expect. Rockford, Aurora, Benedictine, and Concordia (IL) combine in basketball with Edgewood, Maranatha Baptist, Concordia (WI), Lakeland, Marian, and Wisconsin Lutheran. What can we expect out of this conference next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on January 29, 2006, 12:08:14 AM
What is everyone's predictions on the NAC next year? I know we have quite a bit to go yet with this season, but what is everyone's thoughts on the Northern Athletic Conference next year?

LMC
Alverno College
Concordia University (WI)
Dominican University
Edgewood College
Lakeland College
Maranatha Baptist Bible College
Marian College
Wisconsin Lutheran College

NIIC
Aurora College
Benedictine University
Concordia University (IL)
Rockford College

Out:
Milwaukee School of Engineering
Clarke College
Eureka College
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 29, 2006, 12:24:44 AM
So MSOE escapes the REX and Lakeland crushes Dominican to set up a showdown at the Kern Center on Tuesday. I must say Lakeland holds the edge right now heading into the matchup.


Floyd Bayiha: 40 points, 3 assists...Way to go, Kobe.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 29, 2006, 02:38:45 PM
Before I go on my rant of Edgewood upsetting Stevens Point down in Madison, let me get a couple of things clear. 

I am a realistic Pointer fan.  I even said before the game that Edgewood had a better chance of beating Point than Dominican had of beating Lakeland.  Though my expectations of the Pointers (maybe unfairly) are high, I don't expect the Pointers to win every game.

I give credit where credit is due, on most accounts.  When Lakeland beat Point in Sheboygan at the beginning of the year, I had nothing but praise for the Muskies.  When Point lost to Mid-America Nazerene at the Clarke tourney, I gave discredit to Point for not defending and for coach Semling not adjusting to Nazerene's only "play" (give it to #23 and let him break down the defense).

With that said, I must have seen THEE worst reffing game in the history of games last night in Madison (and I'm not talking about the Badgers losing to Minnesota in hockey).  I usually don't complain about the refs because they try to do the best they can and everyone makes mistakes.  But, this was beyond bad.  It was comical, that's how bad it was.  I walked out of the Edgedome with a smile on my face because the reffing was just nonexistent.  You know the game is going to be bad when, on the opening tip-off, the ball goes out of bounds and none of the three refs have a clue who's ball it is.  After a split second of silence, one ref asks the other ref, "Jump ball?" and the other responds, "yeah" (basically conceding, I have no clue).

Apparently the Edgewood Eagles don't play in the LMC anymore because they must play in the NBA now.  Everytime their big guy (#15) got the ball in the post, he traveled.  It was amazing that the refs just let him do it.  The key play was on Point's last possession when Krull did his patented baseline spin move and was clearl fouled as he was going up for the shot and the ref calls the foul "on the floor".  Instead of an "and 1" opportunity, he instead gets two free throws and ties the game instead of giving Point a one-point lead.  The play at the other end of the floor was just a idiotic.  A scramble for the ball results after some great defense from Point and the guy from Edgewood barely gets a handle on the ball and basically tries to throw the ball from his knees and a phantom foul is called with nearly two seconds left.  The homer scoreboard/clock operator lets the clock run down to 0.6 seconds left.  What a complete joke.

In the end, Point played like crap.  They MISSED shots that were just horrible.  Bauer tossed up two airballs and to paraphrase Rick Majerus, "[Point] could guard someone if they had a badge and a gun."  Edgewood gets credit for banging it inside to #15 because that is Point's obvious weakness.  I guess it's a lot easier when you can travel all the time.

On another note, Edgewood have got to be the biggest whiners I have ever seen.  On every possession they cried more than my younger brother when he broke the arm off of his G.I. Joe guy.  There was a foul on an Edgewood player and he basically said, "Yeah, but he carried the ball before I fouled him."  Superstar Seth Cooper was the biggest whiner of them all (not impressed at all by his basketball).  I didn't know someone could run so well in a dress and high heels because he sure cried like a little girl out there complaining constantly. 

Anyway, I'm usually not bitter after a Pointer loss.  It happens.  Lakeland played lights out when Point lost.  Point played like crap when Nazerene beat them.  But, the refs were a complete joke.  Point played horrible and yet they only lost by one because (this is the first time I've ever claimed this) the refs handed Edgewood the game.

On an unrelated matter.  The Edgedome is really weird.  I felt like I was in a rec. gym.  It looked like I was on the set of "Saved By the Bell" during the basketball scenes because everything looked smaller. The floor looked smaller and the rims looked shorter.  Was it just me?  That's not to say that's why the Pointers lost, but I've been in other LMC and smaller gyms before, but the dimensions of the EdgeDome just didn't look right, IMO.



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on January 29, 2006, 09:58:35 PM
QuoteSuperstar Seth Cooper was the biggest whiner of them all (not impressed at all by his basketball).  I didn't know someone could run so well in a dress and high heels because he sure cried like a little girl out there complaining constantly. 
 
There you go Old School now thats the type of D3 hoops I like to read.  And it only took you four years before I got it out of you that sometimes stats and numbers dont make a good post, but burns.

And...its good to see that the whole anti-WLC talk died down after a...what 95-94 game with MSOE barely eecking it out.  I will blame the ref on that call, should have been a fouled 3pt and "Skip to my Lou" Jiles would have made it for double OT where we, WLC, would have won against MSOE.  It was a good game to watch, I'll tell ya though, MSOE sure has a lot of guys with names that are just meat to the six man.  "Gay" "Flyod" "Neil" "Sabree" anywho....it was fun to see Flyod aknowledge the 6th Man on multiply occassions...some times my hat went off to him...other times, he was down right funny.  Trying to pull a spin move and tripping, air ball here and there, but he was a good sport and laughed along with us.  Besides, in reality he had 12 pts on the floor and about 28 at the line. 
And I will play the ref card too with Old School...I mean seriously the foul ratio was WLC-36 MSOE- 22.  Maybe Brian Miller invited the refs to his last  college kegger? :o
Anywho...I hope WLC gets a little more respect after that, sorry Lakeland for not giving it to you guys on a silver platter but our boys played hard.
Bust
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2006, 11:16:01 PM
There you go, OS. You've sunk to Busty's content-free posting level, and now he's adopted you as a kindred spirit. Only one question remains for you: A Kurt Cobain kiss-the-shotgun special; carbon monoxide in a closed garage; or the ever-popular quick slash of the wrists?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2006, 12:33:41 AM
As you could tell, I was a bit bitter earlier this afternoon.  My mind has been shifted (though still bitter) as my coed soccer team lost again tonight!  >:(  I'm bitter about that now...and a little less about the Edgewood/Stevens Point fiasco....just a little less!  :P :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on January 30, 2006, 09:19:44 AM
Any thoughts on the first meeting of the season between Lakeland and MSOE on Tuesday night in Milwaukee? Because of their great recent shooting and their defense, which has been good all year, I'm giving the edge to Lakeland. I don't think Mikos and Floyd will have seena team all season that will defend them like Lakeland will.

Lakeland 60, MSOE 57
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 30, 2006, 11:42:05 AM
First off, I was at the WLC vs. MSOE game this weekend and this WLC team is a disgrace to their years past teams.  They are all poor sports down to their "6th man" and head coach.  I think Noon and his team didn't have the talent so he told them to start throwing elbows and bltch to the refs.  MSOE didn't have as many fouls because they didn't foul as much. The refs could have easily added more fouls either way. MSOE kept their cool even though the ball and calls were not always going their way. I don't know how many times I saw MSOE players driving and getting hammered with out a call.  I talked with several WLC fans after the game and they couldn't believe how the warriors were acting on the court. 

Old school: Not sure how bad the edgewood players were, but WLC got 3 techs I think and MSOE got 1 which was in my mind, a make up tech.  So I am going to say that WLC took whining to a pro bowl level and edgewood is just being edgwood.

My tuff love session...
I think coach miller isn't using his talent the way he should. Granted he did get 40 out of floyd, he wont score 40 against Lakeland. Mikos could have easily went off against WLC but there was never a lane for him to drive in(spacing by MSOE was horrible and there is always a post player camping on the block).  Mikos is best driving and coach miller didn't even open it up for him.  Also, Props to Hagel on a big game and some nice shooting, but why in the hell did msoe always leave him? Its not like he was JJ reddick coming off triple screens fading off the dribble.  They also need to get better rebounding all around offensive and defensive... that just isn't gonna get it done in big games.

Now, on to the Lakeland game.  I will be in attendance and am going to pick MSOE in single digits.  They know how to stop Lakeland and I think you are going to see MSOEs guards shutdown the 3point shooting and force Lakeland to go inside. Lakeland probably has depth on MSOE, but MSOE has the best point and shooting guards in the conference.  MIkos and floyd can d it up and they are not going to lose at home. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2006, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: wizbegs1304 on January 29, 2006, 12:08:14 AM
What is everyone's predictions on the NAC next year? I know we have quite a bit to go yet with this season, but what is everyone's thoughts on the Northern Athletic Conference next year?

LMC
Alverno College
Concordia University (WI)
Dominican University
Edgewood College
Lakeland College
Maranatha Baptist Bible College
Marian College
Wisconsin Lutheran College

NIIC
Aurora College
Benedictine University
Concordia University (IL)
Rockford College

Out:
Milwaukee School of Engineering
Clarke College
Eureka College

I honestly don't know what to think.  I'm glad the LMC will keep traditional rivals like Edgewood, Lakeland, Concordia, Marian and WLC in.  I know Aurora is usually pretty decent in basketball.  I'm not real familiar with the NIIC teams or, with 12 teams, how they'll split up the "divisions" if that's a possibility.

Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on January 30, 2006, 11:42:05 AM
Now, on to the Lakeland game.  I will be in attendance and am going to pick MSOE in single digits.  They know how to stop Lakeland...

Really? I had forgotten about MSOE's recent success against Lakeland. ;D I guess that MSOE is better this year with Sleepy Floyd, but Lakeland seems to be a lot better as well.

2004-2005
LC 73 @ MSOE 61
LC 77    MSOE 52

2003-2004
LC 81    MSOE 69
LC 85 @ MSOE 72

2002-2003
LC 56 @ MSOE 49
LC 60   MSOE 50

Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on January 30, 2006, 11:42:05 AM
Lakeland probably has depth on MSOE, but MSOE has the best point and shooting guards in the conference. 

Lakeland has the best team though.

Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on January 30, 2006, 11:42:05 AM
MIkos and floyd can d it up and they are not going to lose at home. 

Are you kidding me?  A goldfish would still figure out a way to get out of it's bowl if Floyd was in charge of guarding it!  lol.  Lakeland looks real good and should win by 9 or more. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on January 30, 2006, 02:18:02 PM
Lakeland probably has depth on MSOE, but MSOE has the best point and shooting guards in the conference.

I just hope James and Saiberlich don't read this and post it in the lockeroom for the rest of the gyus to see. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 30, 2006, 02:25:01 PM
Thats a little out of context. I was trying to say they can stop them this year and know how to(playing defense blah blah). Not that they have owned them in the past. But i do remember a loss you didnt mention and i think they beat them in the conference tournament the year before that also.

03/01/03     ~ at Lakeland College    W    91-87

"Lakeland has the best team though." -- Thats why they play the games.  Lakeland couldnt beat WLC at home and MSOE did.

"Are you kidding me?  A goldfish would still figure out a way to get out of it's bowl if Floyd was in charge of guarding it!  lol.  Lakeland looks real good and should win by 9 or more. "  -- What are you talking about? He is a really good defender and im not even a sleepy floyd fan!


 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 30, 2006, 02:29:51 PM
"I just hope James and Saiberlich don't read this and post it in the lockeroom for the rest of the gyus to see."

They could make wallpaper out of it and thats not going to change a thing.  More power to em if they do beat em. I think you will be suprised. If marquette can beat Uconn anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 30, 2006, 03:26:43 PM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on January 30, 2006, 02:29:51 PM
If marquette can beat Uconn anything can happen.

That just goes to show how good the James family is. Lakeland by 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on January 30, 2006, 03:28:39 PM
Don't be comparing Marquette's win over UConn to the Lakeland/MSOE game.  Marquette's win was a definite upset.  UConn was not ready to play, just read the paper and see how Jim Calhoun ripped his players.  

The winner of the Lakeland/MSOE game will not have pulled off an upset.  They're the two best teams in the LMC.  It should be one of the best Div. III games of the year in the state.  I was just responding to the comment about Mikos and Floyd because James and Saiberlich and very underated because of the depth and balance of the Muskies.

Two good teams............may the best team on TUESDAY NIGHT win!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 31, 2006, 12:18:46 AM
It's just talk, all in good fun.  I mean no harm!  :-[

The game I saw Floyd play, well, I think he forgot to bring the "D" then.  Plus, he forgot it was a team game.  That's why I'm taking Lakeland, they play better as a team and it sounds like if Lakeland can shut down the best point guard and best shooting guard in the conference, then they have a good shot since Lakeland has a bunch of players that can do some damage.

Wish I could be there in Milwaukee tomorrow night.

BTW, it was nice to see the "fairly" new gym MSOE has.  But, they didn't construct the seating very well.  I like the "stadium seating" behind (at the top) of the bleachers, but the seats sit too low and you can't see over many people.  Otherwise, a very nice facility. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2006, 09:30:28 AM
Quote from: Old School on January 30, 2006, 01:55:26 PMI'm not real familiar with the NIIC teams or, with 12 teams, how they'll split up the "divisions" if that's a possibility.

Nope, no divisions. And since Alverno only allows male students in its graduate programs, it'll be an 11-team conference for men's basketball.

The NAC will operate with the same sort of truncated double round-robin schedule that the MWC employs. In other words, it's an unbalanced schedule in which a team will play eight of its conference rivals twice each (home-and-home, of course) and the other two teams once each, for a total of 18 conference games.

This means that, due to the way the new NAC rotation is set up, Aurora and Benedictine -- the two NIIC archrivals who have dominated that league in men's basketball for many years now -- will only face each other once next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 31, 2006, 10:08:21 AM
Look for one of those 2 teams to win it all next year, in terms of conference wise. Aurora has one of the most athletic teams in those 2 conferences, and they added some shooters to play with All-American Larry Welton. I don't really know who MSOE and Lakeland lose to graduation next year, but I remember, Lakeland wasn't as much as an open court team, which utilizes athletes as much, are they?
Does Lakeland play the entire LMC next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 31, 2006, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2006, 09:30:28 AM
The NAC will operate with the same sort of truncated double round-robin schedule that the MWC employs. In other words, it's an unbalanced schedule in which a team will play eight of its conference rivals twice each (home-and-home, of course) and the other two teams once each, for a total of 18 conference games.

What a joke.  I should just start boycotting lame conferences that do this.  This really annoys me.  PLAY A FULL CONFERENCE SCHEDULE!  Aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 31, 2006, 01:51:40 PM
The Way I See It,

Old School,
Not sure your stance on the Big Ten, but they operate in this manner.

Keith,
That is a pretty bold statement saying one of those 2 teams (Aurora or Benedictine) will win it if you know nothing about the LMC. Lakeland has played Benedictine several times in the past few years and has faired rather well. Lakeland loses 2 players to graduation and will now have a decent opportunity to recruit some bigger names after this year's success. It doesn't matter who MSOE loses since they will not be in the conference.
And athletic teams don't always get you a championship. I will take Lakeland's team first attitude over a team of athletic players any day (granted Lakeland does have some pretty good athletes themselves...but none that will jump out of the gym or blow by you with amazing speed).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 31, 2006, 02:17:30 PM
Didn't say I know nothing about the LMC, I said I didn't know who they were losing, and Lakelands style of play. I was an assistant for Edgewood's women's team last year, and am an assistant for Aurora's women's team this year, so I have seen both conferences, and have been pretty close to the top 2 programs in the LMC and NIIC the past 2 years (Edgewood in '05 and Aurora this year)..and last year, Aurora won the with a very athletic team (granted, I use TEAM strongly) Any time you have a team with 2 1,000 point scorers who are seniors, who can defer to a freshman All-American, I think they are a true team...
I guess my point is, after watching the LMC men last year, and the NIIC men this year, I would put Aurora and Benedictine in the top 3 for next season, with Aurora as the favorite. Aurora does lose a senior PG, but they have a JR pg and a freshman who can pick up the slack.
Lastly, Aurora BLEW OUT  MSOE in Aurora by about 30 this season..they were down 10-0  4 minutes into the game,and were down 20 at half...they cut the lead to 11, before another run by Aurora put them down 31 with 3 minutes to go
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 31, 2006, 04:03:42 PM
The Way I See It

Good post Keith. If what you say is true, then yes, Aurora will definitely be a team to reckon with next year. They should definitely raise the competitiveness then right off the bat.
I just know that with another solid recruiting class, Lakeland will be able to play with anybody next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 31, 2006, 04:09:35 PM
Way,
Does Lakeland have size in the post?
Also, does anyone have any info on a sophomore named Evan Klees, that plays for Edgewood..I really thought he would be a difference maker this year, as a big guard, but I don't think he is playing too much...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2006, 04:31:25 PM
Quote from: keith45 on January 31, 2006, 04:09:35 PM
Way,
Does Lakeland have size in the post?

Lakeland is small. Their forwards are all 6'4", and a couple of them may be pushing it in terms of actually matching their listed height. They're physically solid, though; three of them are well-muscled lads who tip the scales at well over 200 pounds. The Muskies also have a taller pair of frosh, one listed at 6'7", 206 and the other at 6'7", 225, but neither is in the rotation.

They gave away a lot of height in the game I saw (@ Dominican), but it didn't matter in the end. Lakeland didn't post up much, as they used a true motion offense that they ran to perfection and which really played up their strengths and disguised their weaknesses. Where their lack of height hurt them was at the defensive end. The Stars kept themselves in the game by pounding it down low to 6'7", 220 Mike Haiduc and 6'7", 235 Evan McMillan until they faded late. The height discrepancy obviously didn't Lakeland overall against the bigger Stars, since they swept them handily, but if the Muskies manage to win the LMC tourney they'll be particularly vulnerable in the post against the bigger teams from the power conferences in March.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: I Hate WLC on January 31, 2006, 05:33:38 PM
I thought I was done with site, but checked it out after watching the Point game on Saturday and had to respond to the game summary.

Refs were average at best I'll admit, but if they wanted to they could have fouled Coop and Krull out within the first 5 minutes.  Krull was impressive though, Kamp and Krull couldn't be stopped offensively.

Hebl was fouled on the last play, it was confirmed on video by the refs after the game because the wanted to know if they got it right.  His left arm was grabbed.

I don't know how Semling got the Point job, but he shouldn't have it.  First, his timeout speeches were constantly about not caring if they lose the game, but trying hard.  Is this really the two time defending champs? Yeah I know its a completely different team, but still.  It's a WIAC school vs. an LMC school, lets be honest.  Second, he calls a timeout AFTER Hebl missed the first FT attempt badly.  Way to let him relax before that 2nd attempt.

I am not commenting on the new conference cause I really don't have a clue on the incoming teams, but 30 points blowouts give me a little idea.

I have not posted on this site in a while for various reasons, but after seeing this site basically ran with the opinions of Lakeland and WLC I have decided that this site needs a little Edgewood perspective.  Don't bother commenting on the name, I figured that I would put my opinion of other LMC schools (like others) out on the table. 

Evan Klees played soccer this year, whether or not that is the reason he doesn't get much playing time is beyond me. 

About the Edgedome...I agree that it is a little old, but it is probably only a matter of time before they go the way of other D-III schools and build a gym that is entirely too big and the teams regularly only fill it to 15% of capacity.

Prediction: EC 72 WLC 65.....playing good, but always struggle there.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 31, 2006, 10:17:13 PM
The Way I See It,

My boys went to Milwaukee and just HANDED it to MSOE by 15. MSOE is not as deep as Lakeland and it showed tonight. I wasn't able to make it, but i was getting in game updates throughout. Miller got t'd up late in the game for pretending the basketball was a volleyball and deciding to spike it. Way to go Fish. Lakeland should get a good test on Thursday as to what to expect from future conference foe Benedictine.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on January 31, 2006, 10:26:03 PM
Could this be a better night or what D3hoops?

Take this combination-
Larson flipping out at WLC + Edgewood LOST to WLC + last senior 6th Man year+ some idiot named "I Hate WLC" posting a winning perdiction for his team that LOST! =  BUST YA'LL's best D3 night ever

This was a present, a real treat for me to watch, WLC took it the Edgewood and won it fair and square with very few refing problems and only minor defense flaws.  I was just smiling and waiting for the ultimate...another 1 finger salute from Larson as a farewell.

I wish all of you could have been there to see it.  It was just a tough game all around with good plays on both sides..however, Edgewood you still suck.  Thank you very much...I will pour one out for the Eagle Boys wherever they are.  This post is about as disjointed as the rest of this board is right now.  Hey "I Hate" might as well just not continue to post.  And all you idiots from MSOE...good job with Lakeland.  Its weird how we have beat Lakeland more times then you have, why is that?  Huh...well maybe you should keep having players post themselves good reviews on D3hoops and feel better about themselves like Edgewood does.  You see how well that worked for them tonight.  
SORRY BOUT IT    ;D :D ;)

BUST YA'll

BTW-  As I recall it wasnt just WLC that got T'ed up...and it appears that Saint Coach Miller (who STILL throws parties for college girls) got another T....well isnt that just great, how bout it showtime?  Who's the immature whiney bitches now?  Two T's in a row...great...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on January 31, 2006, 10:51:06 PM
Yeah MSOE lost to Lakeland. Granted they led for all but 2 or 3 minutes in the first half. They did have the lead down to 4 or 5 with 8 minutes left and it killed them that floyd and mikos were in fould trouble for most of the game.  One of mikos'chargers was a charge, the other fouls were mostly question marks in my mind considering how physical lakeland plays.  Lakeland is as solid as advertised right down to keeping their emotions in control -- cant say that about MSOE and their coach. Maybe if he spent more time coaching instead of complaining, the game would have been closer.  I have to question several of his substitutions and i can only hope he is trying to build a team that can make a run in the tournament.  I have to question why MSOE didnt have any set plays for their stars down the stretch.  I also question why MIkos is passing the ball instead of taking it to the rack like a POY would do.  Very disappointing.  They also at times couldnt get a rebound to save their life.... or gaurd lakelands big guys outside.  At least MSOE swept WLC....

And to clarify -- Floyd got t'd up vs WLC not miller and Benedctine is not a good test... they arent to good this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2006, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: The Way on January 31, 2006, 10:17:13 PMLakeland should get a good test on Thursday as to what to expect from future conference foe Benedictine.

Benedictine is loaded with injuries to their frontcourt, and they're having an atypical down year. As Showtime intimated, this game most likely won't display what Lakeland fans should expect from the Bennies next year. I think that the Muskies will take this one in a walk.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 31, 2006, 11:23:53 PM
The Way I See It,

First of all Greg, you misstated yourself by saying Lakeland fan's' should expect a walk. Lakeland, although very good this year, does not bring the fan support besides the parents of the players. And secondly, I understand that Benedictine may not be very sound right now, but an earlier poster (I believe Keith) had mentioned that Benedictine would be in the top 3 of the conference next year. So a win over them on Thursday night in Benedictine would still be a nice win. But this is one of those trap games. They just got a big conference win and now they have to play a nonconference game on the road in Illinois on 1 full days rest. I still agree with you and have to say that Lakeland will get the W.

Busty,
Not sure what kind of potion you are making with that big formula, but a nice win all the same. I won't give you any hate words tonight because i know how great it feels to beat Stevie G. I wish i could have witnessed him live.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 01, 2006, 12:24:24 AM
Wow, and I thought coach Noon was bad last week in The Aquarium. Miller was a downright ass to the refs tonight. That technical should've been good ol' number two on him, as he stormed out to mid court after a foul call once in the second half but wasn't called for one.

As for Lakeland, no doubt now who the best team is in the LMC. It's scary to think that after 11 straight games they're still getting better, beating the number four team in the LMC by 26 and then following that up by beating the number two team in the league by 15 ON THE ROAD!

Also, Coach Tom Crean, Dominic James, Steve Novak, and a couple other Golden Eagles were in attendance to watch Germayne and the boys take care of business.

Funny thing, I think the 15 Muskie fans in the stands were louder than all of the MSOE fans there. SAD.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 01, 2006, 12:31:06 AM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 01, 2006, 12:24:24 AM
Also, Coach Tom Crean, Dominic James, Steve Novak, and a couple other Golden Eagles were in attendance to watch Germayne and the boys take care of business.

Funny thing, I think the 15 Muskie fans in the stands were louder than all of the MSOE fans there. SAD.

Wow, there were 15 Muskie fans there?  ;D  That would've been cool to see the "the big time" players and coaches like Crean, James and Novak there.

If the Muskies make the NCAA tourney, I really think they might have a shot at pulling the upset if they get the right matchup.  The MIAC is down this year and maybe they could go over to Minnesota and get a win.  Avoiding LU or a WIAC team would probably be the best bet for them, just off the top of my head.  I know Lakeland played well vs. La Crosse and beat Point, but it would probably be better anyway!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2006, 01:15:51 AM
Quote from: diego on December 13, 2005, 05:13:43 PM
I have seen Augie a couple times.  My point is that I don't think they are going to stay in the Top 25 very long.  Also, I don't think they are a Top 25 team now.

Current front-runner (all-boards division) for prediction of the year! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 01, 2006, 01:34:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2006, 01:15:51 AM
Quote from: diego on December 13, 2005, 05:13:43 PM
I have seen Augie a couple times.  My point is that I don't think they are going to stay in the Top 25 very long.  Also, I don't think they are a Top 25 team now.

Current front-runner (all-boards division) for prediction of the year! ;)

This post, of course, coming from the guy who was putting up percentages that IWU would go undefeated for the entire season...   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2006, 01:54:31 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on February 01, 2006, 01:34:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2006, 01:15:51 AM
Quote from: diego on December 13, 2005, 05:13:43 PM
I have seen Augie a couple times.  My point is that I don't think they are going to stay in the Top 25 very long.  Also, I don't think they are a Top 25 team now.

Current front-runner (all-boards division) for prediction of the year! ;)

This post, of course, coming from the guy who was putting up percentages that IWU would go undefeated for the entire season...   ;)

C'mon, PS, that's WHY I posted!

Compared to that prediction, I look like Nostradamus!

(And, you will have to admit, there were a LOT of people who shared my prediction back then, even if they were too timid (wise?) to vocalize it - TWO All-Americans, senior-laden line-up, UNANYMOUS #1 in the poll.  I'll go with Q [forget whether it was CCIW Chat or Top 25]: 4 weeks ago I never thought I would be calculating pool C chances for IWU!!)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 01, 2006, 02:34:29 AM
Yep, this is true... and IWU certainly LOOKED like the team we thought they were going to be during the non-conference games.

The only predictions I made were that a) UWSP was going to be better than everyone thought (and I think, at least so far, I've been right) and b) Oshkosh was over-rated for their #2 preseason ranking.  Recently they've tried to prove me wrong... but then they lost to River Falls.  QED.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 01, 2006, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Old School on February 01, 2006, 12:31:06 AM
Wow, there were 15 Muskie fans there?  ;D

Maybe a little more. But they certainly weren't dominating the stands by any means.

Quote
If the Muskies make the NCAA tourney, I really think they might have a shot at pulling the upset if they get the right matchup.  The MIAC is down this year and maybe they could go over to Minnesota and get a win.  Avoiding LU or a WIAC team would probably be the best bet for them, just off the top of my head.  I know Lakeland played well vs. La Crosse and beat Point, but it would probably be better anyway!

The problem is there are A LOT of good teams in the region this year--Illinois Wesleyan, Lawrence, Augie, North Central, Carroll just off the top of my head--so it's going to be hard for the AQ in the LMC to avoid these teams just based upon the strength of the region. If Lakeland is the AQ, they may squeeze by the big teams, but there are some pretty good teams waiting behind them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2006, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 01, 2006, 01:54:31 AM(And, you will have to admit, there were a LOT of people who shared my prediction back then, even if they were too timid (wise?) to vocalize it

That's a neat little argument, Chuck: Other people besides you thought that Wesleyan would go undefeated for the season, but they were too timid to say so openly ... so you're therefore not really alone in looking silly.

Now ask me if I think anyone's going to buy it.  :D

Actually, True Basketball Fan's stunning series of confidently-asserted misreads on subjects ranging from the White Sox to the competence of Dominican and CURF ranks right up there with anything you or Diego posted. What you accomplished in terms of partisan hubris, TBF more than matched via both quantity and conviction.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2006, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: The Way on January 31, 2006, 11:23:53 PMFirst of all Greg, you misstated yourself by saying Lakeland fan's' should expect a walk. Lakeland, although very good this year, does not bring the fan support besides the parents of the players

Wha ... ? How in the world is this a misstatement? Where did I say anything about Lakeland's fan support?

Fan support isn't going to make or break tomorrow's game. Benedictine averages 314 fans per home game. That makes for a pretty empty-looking Rice Center. Worry less about the fans and more about the team.

Quote from: The Way on January 31, 2006, 11:23:53 PMAnd secondly, I understand that Benedictine may not be very sound right now, but an earlier poster (I believe Keith) had mentioned that Benedictine would be in the top 3 of the conference next year. So a win over them on Thursday night in Benedictine would still be a nice win.

Problem is, this isn't next year. This is this year. And this year, Benedictine is an injury-riddled 8-10 team that's 2-3 and in next-to-last place in a league that they're used to dominating. It won't be a nice win as much as a get-through-it-unscathed win.

Quote from: The Way on January 31, 2006, 11:23:53 PMBut this is one of those trap games. They just got a big conference win and now they have to play a nonconference game on the road in Illinois on 1 full days rest. I still agree with you and have to say that Lakeland will get the W.

I had to read this twice to realize that you had gone back to talking about Lakeland. I agree that it could be a "trap" game if the Muskies allow themselves to have a letdown, which is possible when you play a non-con game in the middle of the conference slate.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: I Hate WLC on February 01, 2006, 10:33:27 AM
BUST YA'LL's best D3 night ever......well that pretty much sums up how well WLC has done since you have been there.  Best night ever is a REGULAR season victory over the third place team in the LMC.

You should know the conference good enough that the reg. season doesn't mean anything, the tournament is all that matters.

Anyways, congrats on the victory, obviously I was going to pick Edgewood to win, but I was well aware that they always struggle there.

Eagle Boys would be disappointed in your pouring out alcohol cause we drink it here in Madison, it's called alcohol abuse.  SORRY BOUT IT.

As for your comment on Edgewood players posting good reviews about themselves on this site I'm a little confused because as far as I know an Edgewood player hasn't posted on this site before.  If you trying to suggest that I am Edgewood player then you would be wrong, I have never suited up for Edgewood, but I did go there. 

I'm giving Lakeland props for playing good ball right now, but I will go to my grave not understanding how they recruit people to a school in a cornfield.

I'll take ya back a few years with a send off.

WOOOOOOO!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 01, 2006, 11:16:50 AM

Wha ... ? How in the world is this a misstatement? Where did I say anything about Lakeland's fan support?

Fan support isn't going to make or break tomorrow's game. Benedictine averages 314 fans per home game. That makes for a pretty empty-looking Rice Center. Worry less about the fans and more about the team.

The Way I See It,

Relax Mr. Sager. I didn't mean anything against you. I was just pointing out that you had said FANS (plural) in an earlier post. It was a shot at the Lakeland fan support. I mean you have a conference game with the two best teams that will decide the regular season champion and LC doesn't even have a fan bus or anything going down. I blame the A/D (who happens to be an assistant for the women's team) but this is not the place to get me started on that topic.

And i guess my point about the Benedictine game is that the earlier poster mentioned Benedictine will be in the top 3 NEXT year. How can someone say that with the record they have this year? And if they have dominated in the past in that conference, you are telling me that a few injuries make them go from the top to the bottom in one year? That tells me their depth is a question and they may not be as good as advertised NEXT year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on February 01, 2006, 11:30:53 AM
Recruiting in athletics is about trust, personalities and building relationships.  If a student is happy and in the right place, cornfields, sky scrapers, beaches, and whatever else mean don't mean veyr much.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 01, 2006, 12:08:56 PM
With the conference teams having a "down" year record-wise, will the NIIC champ be able to receive a Pool B or Pool C bid to the NCAA tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 01, 2006, 12:15:48 PM
When I was recruited, I was promised all the free corn in the world! 

OK, that's not entirely true.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 01, 2006, 12:24:22 PM
They are a conference that doesn't get an AQ, so they are thrown into the Pool B equation.  If they don't get one of the Pool B slots, they get thrown into the Pool C equation, I believe. 

With only two teams above .500 in their region, it doesn't look good.  But, didn't a team get in as a Pool B with a barely .500 record a couple of years ago (Colorado College?)?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 01, 2006, 12:32:36 PM
The Way I See It,

Old School,

Did you mean corn or corn fed women? Cause there is an abundance of both!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 01, 2006, 02:03:57 PM
Quote from: The Way on February 01, 2006, 11:16:50 AM
Relax Mr. Sager. I didn't mean anything against you. I was just pointing out that you had said FANS (plural) in an earlier post. It was a shot at the Lakeland fan support. I mean you have a conference game with the two best teams that will decide the regular season champion and LC doesn't even have a fan bus or anything going down. I blame the A/D (who happens to be an assistant for the women's team) but this is not the place to get me started on that topic.

In all honestly, I thought your comment about "fans" was a little tongue in cheek.  I understood that!  :D  I'm sure Greg is getting a little restless lately since the boys in the MWC have been getting on his nerves!

As for Lakeland's AD, yeah, she's totally useless, IMO, not that I want you to get started on that topic.  That's neither here or there.  :-X

Fans or even just students have a hard time just getting off campus because some don't have cars and some are just too lazy to leave the friendly confines of the cornfields.  You really think they want to hop in a car and drive an hour to Milwaukee?  ;)

I just wish Lakeland would promote their sports in Sheboygan.  All of their fields and such are on campus and if you know anything about Lakeland, it is NOT located in Sheboygan.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 01, 2006, 03:05:02 PM
The Way I See It,

I couldn't agree with you more Old School. I am probably 95% sure that the reason Lakeland never sets anything up as far as fan buses is because of the AD. Because as i mentioned earlier, the AD is an assistant for the women's team. So if the men get a bus to go to a big game, then the women want the same thing. And let's face it, who in their right mind is going to load a bus for a trip to watch a women's LMC tilt? I don't apologize if i offended anyone with that comment because it is the downright truth.

I also know of many alumni that do not like the current AD for many reasons, which may be another reason why alumni only show up for the annual alumni game. And i know she didn't make any friends from the football team this fall by not showing up at the school's first playoff game since joining D3 because of a women's basketball game. Where are the priorities? It paralyzes efforts to promote the team when people don't get along with the AD.


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on February 01, 2006, 03:10:16 PM
How Lakeland recruits players...
 1. Gary does a great job,first he is up front and honest and just doesn't tell you what you want to hear. After a couple of meetings with him both my wife and I were sold on Lakeland. As far as Jeff,Josh,Scott and Coach J to this day they make us feel like part of the family and we enjoy talking with them. For us it's a 3 hour drive to see the home games and I'll tell you it's worth the drive. Other schools that recruited our son were alot closer and you know what we are glad he made the final call.
To the people who went to the MSOE game their coach was a real jerk, very little class and no respect for the refs,I guess it was the refs who missed the shots or hitting the boards or even called the plays. On the East Coast we call people like that " J bags". Coach G. you have our respect and support .........
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: muskieallumi on February 01, 2006, 03:59:51 PM
I will agree with all the responses on the AD at Lakeland, from what i have noticed while i was at Lakeland our mens teams didn't get all the perks, from the Girls Basketball team traveling to the Bahamas, over seas, California but the guys team ohh the anual trip to iowa or this year it was Michigan... Ohhhhh then when they can do all there fundraising in the gym but if another sport wants to use it for a fundraiser they get charged.  Well that is my take on the subject.. I am out
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2006, 06:56:01 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 01, 2006, 02:03:57 PMIn all honestly, I thought your comment about "fans" was a little tongue in cheek.  I understood that!  :D  I'm sure Greg is getting a little restless lately since the boys in the MWC have been getting on his nerves!

No, it just looked as though I was being called out, and I couldn't understand why.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, and as far as Lakeland fan support is concerned I'm not sure that the one Muskie game I saw (Lakeland @ Dominican) is indicative of anything. It was on a Tuesday night in a Chicago suburb, and it would've been a little much to expect fan support from a team an hour north of Milwaukee under those circumstances. I could've counted all of the people in the stands cheering for the Muskies on two hands and had fingers left over, but I didn't take that as a sign that Lakeland had no fan base. For what it's worth, Dominican didn't have more than forty or so fans present, either.

Are you sure that it's the AD's responsibility to procure fan buses at Lakeland? I can only speak from the experience of my own school in this regard, but at North Park the responsibility of calling the bus company, renting the bus(es), on-campus promotion of the road game and the bus trip, and paying for the bus(es) has nothing to do with the athletic department. It's handled by the NPU Student Association. In other words, the responsibility rests with the students, not the administration.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: muskieallumi on February 01, 2006, 09:05:32 PM
I totaly agree that yes it rest in some parts of the students, Lakeland now has a coordinator that deals with the entertanment on campus, because being in the corn field never does help students that arn't 21 and can travel the 10 min. into shevegas.. But when they can go out of there way to get buses for the girls bball team why not through a bone when the guys are having by far the best season at lakeland sence the 70's and give the students something to do.. That is where i was going...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 02, 2006, 01:11:40 AM
First off, I wasn't recruited at all to go to Lakeland.  I had my reasons already (transferred from UWSP).  I enjoyed my time there.  The AD is a headcase.  She doesn't care about anything except herself and HER interests (i.e. women's basketball, and used to be softball until the coach and her got into a big spat).  It's amazing that she's able to hire any new coaches there.  No wonder it seems like every coach goes there for two-five years, using Lakeland as a stepping stone, and then bolts on the next horse and wagon out of the cornfields.    When I went there to play soccer, we basically had NO equipment because she was too cheap to buy anything.  We had to supply our own soccer balls!  And this is a varsity sport at a college!  What a joke.  She also "claimed" we started practice early one year and banned us from practice and that resulted in us moving our alumni game into She-Vegas.  She rarely ever showed up to support other sports that she wasn't involved in.  She's the AD, shouldn't she be involved in all the sports to some capacity?

Anyway, sorry about the rant.  She will forever annoy me!  >:(
I guess the point is, part of the reason Lakeland sports aren't promoted in She-Vegas or aren't supported more is because of her lack of interest and dedication to those sports.

Quote from: Muskie Fan South on February 01, 2006, 03:10:16 PM
To the people who went to the MSOE game their coach was a real jerk, very little class and no respect for the refs,I guess it was the refs who missed the shots or hitting the boards or even called the plays. On the East Coast we call people like that " J bags". Coach G. you have our respect and support .........

He used to be the Lakeland coach.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 02, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 01, 2006, 12:24:22 PM
They are a conference that doesn't get an AQ, so they are thrown into the Pool B equation. If they don't get one of the Pool B slots, they get thrown into the Pool C equation, I believe.

With only two teams above .500 in their region, it doesn't look good. But, didn't a team get in as a Pool B with a barely .500 record a couple of years ago (Colorado College?)?

I believe it was Colorado College who made the 2004 NCAA tourney over Aurora University, who lost the AQ in the NIIC tourney championship to Benedictine University.  AU had a record of 19-8 and got left out.  Colorado College got embarassed in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on February 02, 2006, 10:18:28 PM
FINAL SCORE OUT OF LISLE...
    BENEDICTINE 83
    LAKELAND      74

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 03, 2006, 01:05:43 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think of the loss to Benedictine.  I mean it doesn't help when one of their players goes off for 45 points or whatever.  But, what does this say about the strength of the LMC and Lakeland more specifically. 

Sure, we've all been raving about them, and they deserve it.  Not to take anything away from the Bens or even Rockford for that matter, but the NIIC is hardly a power conference and Lakeland has managed to lose to both of them.  On one hand, they beat Point (admittedly having a "down" year, though they are still 8-3 in the WIAC) and played Hope as tough as they could.  But, losing to these teams that hardly have stellar records doesn't help the LMC or Lakeland in the eyes of the other leagues, teams, fans, voters etc. 

Maybe I'm blowing this loss out of proportion or maybe I don't realize how good Benedictine or Rockford are, but I would have thought Lakeland would've been able to beat at least one of them.  Does this mean that the LMC is still that far down the conference totem pole?  Hopefully whomever represents the LMC in the NCAAs will win a game or at least come close!  :D 

Even with the loss, Lakeland still looks like the team that has the best chance to do just that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 03, 2006, 08:57:49 AM
The Way I See It,

The LMC this year as a whole is not that strong. A prime example is the pile up after the first 2 places. An outsider could look and say that this means there is parity in the conference....but that isn't the case. The teams just aren't that good. This Edgewood team is by far the worst since i have been associated with the LMC and they are sitting in 3rd. I would take any one of the teams led by Luke Sadowski over this year's team. MSOE is good,,,but are they really that better than the team they were a few years ago with Adam Lewis (a team that finished in the bottom 3 spots every year)? And plus Coach Good was 10 times better than Brian Miller is. Maranatha is just plain brutal. I'm sorry, but if a team loses to Maranatha this year...you should start playing high school JV teams.
And Busty, I think you would agree with me that you would much rather have a team with Paul Nelson and John Urbanek than you would with a Hagel and a Spaeth. I can't comment on Dominican because i have never seen them play. Marian is just beyond me. And Concordia would much rather have a Ryan Weitor or a Derek Berger than a Matt Peets.

And that leaves me with Lakeland. They are definitely the cream of the crop this year in the LMC. But I wouldn't rest at that if i were them. That alone is not an accomplishment this year. That would be like saying each of them was able to beat their kid brother 14 times in one on one matchups. Earlier in the year, they had the tendency to play to the level of their competition, whether good or bad. That is why i knew this Benedictine game was going to be a question mark. The good thing about Lakeland's team this year is that they are deep and solid 1-9. But the problem is,,,,who is going to be the guy down the stretch that gets them through a close game and pulls them out of a tough spot? I think that is their achillies heel right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 03, 2006, 08:59:48 AM
Since i have only seen Lakeland one time, i may not be correct in assuming this, but i will anyways. I noticed that when Lakeland whooped MSOE, they were packing it in the paint when Mikos and Floyd had the ball... forcing them to shoot outside which of course both of them would rather slash and dish.  That kid from Benedictine was hitting everything and it looks like Lakeland couldnt hit anything.  MSOE beat both of those teams easy so i dont know what to think either.  Its a game of matchups and Lakeland matchs up good with MSOE since they are deep and MSOE's lack of shooting(and all around offense) and defense from 1-5.

When lakeland plays MSOE next week, i would do the same thing and take away the dribble pen. and make em shoot... cause MSOE doesnt have anyone who is going to go 8-12 from 3point range and im sure saiberlich will not disappear.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 03, 2006, 09:14:25 AM
Quote from: Muskie Fan South on February 02, 2006, 10:18:28 PM
FINAL SCORE OUT OF LISLE...
    BENEDICTINE 83
    LAKELAND      74



Whoops.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 03, 2006, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on February 03, 2006, 08:59:48 AM
Since i have only seen Lakeland one time, i may not be correct in assuming this, but i will anyways. I noticed that when Lakeland whooped MSOE, they were packing it in the paint when Mikos and Floyd had the ball... forcing them to shoot outside which of course both of them would rather slash and dish.  That kid from Benedictine was hitting everything and it looks like Lakeland couldnt hit anything.  MSOE beat both of those teams easy so i dont know what to think either.  Its a game of matchups and Lakeland matchs up good with MSOE since they are deep and MSOE's lack of shooting(and all around offense) and defense from 1-5.

When lakeland plays MSOE next week, i would do the same thing and take away the dribble pen. and make em shoot... cause MSOE doesnt have anyone who is going to go 8-12 from 3point range and im sure saiberlich will not disappear.

I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment. It seems to me like their strength all season has been denying guard penetration, forcing the outside shot and not too many teams have shot well, not even Hope if I remember correctly. Finally a team comes along that did shoot the lights out from behind the arc and here's the result.

Of course, this will work for every team if only all of them could shoot so well from outside.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on February 03, 2006, 09:23:05 AM
Old School, I think you are blowing this loss out of proportion just a bit, but also exposing one of Lakeland's weaknesses.

Quote from: Old School on February 03, 2006, 01:05:43 AM
But, what does this say about the strength of the LMC and Lakeland more specifically.

The two other top teams in the LMC beat Benedictine at Benedictine just a month ago so I don't think it hurts the strength of the LMC vs. the NIIC that much. Marian - 7th - beat Clarke, and Dominican - 4th - beat Aurora. Clarke and Aurora are the NIIC's top two teams this season. The LMC is 12-5 against the NIIC. An improvement over previous years I'm sure.

As some referenced earlier this game may have been a trap game for Lakeland. Yet it also shows one of their weaknesses, playing on the road. Not to take anything away from Lakeland's season, but they are only 7-4 on the road.

Quote from: Old School on February 03, 2006, 01:05:43 AM
Not to take anything away from the Bens or even Rockford for that matter, but the NIIC is hardly a power conference and Lakeland has managed to lose to both of them.

Not to take anything away from Clarke, Lakeland or Edgewood, but the NIIC and LMC are hardly power conferences and Point has managed to lose to all three of them.  :) Yet Point is only a half game back from first place in the WIAC, the best conference in the nation year in and year out IMHO. And is it really fair to call it a down season for Point? They are still in the hunt for the league title with a few games left to play. I suppose after winning back to back national titles, anything less is a down season. But the season is still going and Point proved two years ago they don't even have to win their conference to win the national title.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 03, 2006, 09:25:42 AM
WELL, AT LEAST THE KID WHO SCORED 45 IS GRADUATING
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 03, 2006, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 03, 2006, 09:20:01 AMI'd say that's a pretty fair assessment. It seems to me like their strength all season has been denying guard penetration, forcing the outside shot and not too many teams have shot well, not even Hope if I remember correctly. Finally a team comes along that did shoot the lights out from behind the arc and here's the result.

Of course, this will work for every team if only all of them could shoot so well from outside.  ;D

It wasn't so much a team effort by Benedictine from beyond the arc as it was the work of one player. Matt Harrison, who has been on fire over the past week (28 pts in the upset win over Aurora last Saturday) went 8-12 from downtown last night en route to his 45-point performance. But his teammates only went a collective 4-16 from three-point range.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 03, 2006, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: tommy_devito on February 03, 2006, 09:23:05 AM
Not to take anything away from Clarke, Lakeland or Edgewood, but the NIIC and LMC are hardly power conferences and Point has managed to lose to all three of them.  :) Yet Point is only a half game back from first place in the WIAC, the best conference in the nation year in and year out IMHO. And is it really fair to call it a down season for Point? They are still in the hunt for the league title with a few games left to play. I suppose after winning back to back national titles, anything less is a down season. But the season is still going and Point proved two years ago they don't even have to win their conference to win the national title.

Well, I realize Point's accomplishments the last two years may make everything less a "down year" but that's not really the case.  Point is now has FOUR nonconference losses.  Mid-America Nazerene is a pretty good NAIA team, but Point played like crap in that game.  Losses to Edgewood and Clarke are inexcusable, No disrespect to those two teams.  I know Edgewood beat Platteville (I think, last year), but I know Edgewood is not nearly as good has they have been in the past.  The loss to Lakeland is understandable because Lakeland was just untouchable that day.  They shot the lights out.

Maybe Point has the Lakeland syndrome where they play down to their competition.   Add those losses to wins over Stout, La Crosse and Oshkosh to name a few and it's confusing! I was looking up the stats on Point and they hadn't lost a nonconference regular season game since the 1999-2000 season.  Their lost loss, Edgewood at Point.  They split that year.  They haven't had SEVEN losses in a season since the 2000-2001 season and that's when they went 10-6 (mind you, good for first place tie) in the WIAC and lost in the WIAC tourney.  The last time they had a double-digit losing season was 98-99 when they went 15-11 and 8-8 in conference.  By the way, that' when Platteville was dominating everything DIII.

So, yeah, even without the last two National Championships, you can say Point has some pretty high standards.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on February 03, 2006, 11:32:45 AM
Old School, it may be a 'good luck' that Edgewood beat Point. In 99-00 Edgewood beat Point, Point won the WIAC. In 00-01 Edgewood beat Whitewater, Whitewater won the WIAC (co-champs with Point). Last year Edgewood beat Platteville, Platteville won the WIAC (co-champs with Point). So who knows?

Muskie Fan South, I'm assuming you were at the game. How does a good defensive team like Lakeland let a guy shoot 8-12 from 3's? Wouldn't they just clamp down on the guy after he made a few? Or was he J.J. Reddick's twin last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on February 03, 2006, 06:07:48 PM
Tommy D. no I was not at the game but my wife was and she said #44 was unconscious out there,just on fire.....
they shut down the team but not him.
Here is a question since I'm a rookie at this, can Lakeland still go to the D3 tournament and if they can what will it take? soething about a pool C I didn't understand.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on February 03, 2006, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: Muskie Fan South on February 03, 2006, 06:07:48 PM
Tommy D. no I was not at the game but my wife was and she said #44 was unconscious out there,just on fire.....
they shut down the team but not him.
Here is a question since I'm a rookie at this, can Lakeland still go to the D3 tournament and if they can what will it take? soething about a pool C I didn't understand.
MSF - I'll take a try at this. Lakeland really needs to win the LMC Tournament and get the automatic bid. Lakeland's overall record of 18 - 5 with only 4 in regions losses preceeds the LMC Tournament.  With a sixth loss your team, in this example Lakeland losing in the LMC Tournament, would probably be below the bubble.  Another big key factor is the QOWI, or Quality of Wins Index, used by the committee to prioritze both NCAA Tournament rankings and Pool C invitations.  Lakeland does not currently appear in the Top 100 Div III teams QOWI.  So a really low QOWI and 6 losses would likely mean season over.  Another factor is NCAA's Ranking for the Midwest Region.  While Lakeland has a sound record, other Midwest teams also have a sound record plus very high QOWI rankings.  I am tracking 10 other Midwest teams which I think are in competition for 6 spots in the NCAA Rankingsfor the Midwest Region; the first of which will be published 2/8.  Wish I had better news for you.  Win that Tournament then you don't have to worry about Pool C just who you draw and where you play!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 04, 2006, 12:40:39 AM


Lakeland has a solid record as iwumichigander said.  They do only have four in-region losses and that's what the NCAA looks at.  That 5th loss was to Hope and since that was not an in-region loss, it doesn't count.  The NCAA looks at teams on a national level using regional criteria.  Yeah, it's the NCAA, what do you expect?  So, if Lakeland runs the table and loses in the LMC tourney, they will only have FIVE losses.  As far as the NCAA is concerned, Lakeland is actually just 14-4, not 18-5. 

There several criteria that goes into picking Pool C teams.  In-region winning % and QOWI are just two of them.  Here is the NCAA Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf) that explains who QOWI is calculated and the other selection criteria.  If you decide to calculate Lakeland's QOWI, be sure to use just the in-region opponents and their in-region records.  Explanation starts on Page 7 with the QOWI calculations on Page 9.

The reason why Lakeland's QOWI is so low is because their opponents have really bad in-region records.  The LMC is not a very good conference!

There are several other boards in on this site that can help you out and give you an idea of what others think.  There is a Pool C board and a QOWI board.  Pat Coleman lists the QOWI on the Top 100 teams and it was last posted last month. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 04, 2006, 01:45:03 AM
Because I'm a team player.

Lakeland's in-region schedule

9 pts-W @ Lake Forest (5-12, .294)
8 pts-W vs. Maranatha Baptist (0-12, .000)
6 pts-L vs. La Crosse (16-4, .800)
12 pts-W vs. Stevens Point (11-6, .647)
13 pts-W @ Edgewood (9-9, .500)
3 pts-L @ Wisconsin Lutheran (5-9, .357)
9 pts-W @ Marian (6-13, .316)
10 pts-W vs. Concordia (IL) (7-9, .438)
5 pts-L @ Rockford (8-8, .500)
12 pts-W vs. Edgewood (9-9, .500)
13 pts-W @ Dominican (12-9, .571)
11 pts-W @ Concordia (WI) (6-10, .375)
8 pts-W vs. Marian (6-13, .316)
10 pts-W vs. Wisconsin Lutheran (5-9, .357)
10 pts-W vs. Concordia (WI) (6-10, .375)
12 pts-W vs. Dominican (12-9, .571)
15 pts-W @ MSOE (13-4, .765)
3 pts-L @ Benedictine (7-8, .467)

QOWI is 9.388.

I think this is right! Lakeland will be rooting for their opponents to win so they keep their QOWI points or possibly improve them.  If Point gets to the .667 threshold, that win would be worth 14 points, not 12!  Getting Benedictine to get to .500 is worth another 2 points for Lakeland's loss as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on February 04, 2006, 09:55:54 AM
 Old School,
                   You are a team player ! I'd put you on the A team in fact. Thanks for the information you provided, you have some really good postings, it would be cool to meet you at one of the games . ;D my wife are usually at the games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 04, 2006, 10:12:13 AM
It's tough to make Lakeland games for a couple of reasons.  I work late during the week, so usually can't make it out to the campus on weekdays.  On the weekends, Pointer basketball takes priorities.  In fact, I'm heading to Point today to see the big Point/La Crosse game.  The one Lakeland game I saw was Point vs. Lakeland!  >:( ;D

I would love to see next week's Lakeland/MSOE game, but I'll be in GB to see outdoor hockey! lol.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 05, 2006, 12:24:46 PM
I see Marian won at MSOE Saturday, so Lakeland has clinched a tie for the title and will win it outright if (when?) they win at Maranatha on Tuesday. It will take a lot of the anticipation out of next weekend's MSOE-Lakeland game. The tournament pairings will be interesting, since so many teams are clustered around that 4-5 spot, but I really don't see anyone giving Lakeland much of a challenge since they will be playing every game at home. It would take Lakeland having an off day, which i suppose is always possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 06, 2006, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: Muskie Fan South on February 04, 2006, 09:55:54 AM
Old School,
You are a team player ! I'd put you on the A team in fact.

I always loved Face, B-A, Hannibal and Murdock!  ;D

Congrats to Sleepy Floyd Bayiha for being named to the d3hoops Team of the Week for the week ending Jan. 29th!  Not sure if any of you saw that.  The most impressive stat is that he averaged three assists in two games.  Wow!  :D

Nice to see the hated Fondy Lacers going down and beating MSOE for the Fish on Saturday.  I guess MSOE was looking ahead a bit to the battle next weekend.

Lakeland 11-1
MSOE 9-3
Edgewood 7-5
WLC 6-6
Dominican 6-7
Concordia 5-7
Marian 4-8
Maranatha 0-11

Wow, I remember the week when Dominican actually got a vote in the D3hoops poll!  ???

Prior to this weekend's conference ending games...

Feb. 7 Dominican @ MSOE*
Feb. 7 Edgewood @ Marian*
Feb. 7 Lakeland @ Maranatha Baptist*
Feb. 7 Wis. Lutheran @ Concordia (Wis.)*

Feb. 9 Maranatha @ Concordia (Wis.)*

MSOE will bounce back and top Dominican at home.
Edgewood will take down Marian, even though the latter just upset MSOE
Lakeland will sleepwalk to a win at Baptist
Lutheran should win the short trip up I-43 in Mequon.


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2006, 02:16:28 PM
Colorado College was a Pool B team and was never in competition for any spot vacated by a team that had a shot at an automatic bid and lost.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 07, 2006, 10:20:17 AM
I still think MSOE is a contender in the conf. tournament. I think coach miller blew their chance at a title with some questionable moves. I hope the guy knows what he is doing because he is losing bayiha and mikos after this year.

Coach miller im sure you read this. Shorten your F'in bench to 8 maybe 9 F'in people please.  Run some pick n roles for mikos and bayiha and let them play to their strenghs instead of running your bootleg offense that only appears to be good at running out the shotclock.

Ok thats enough hating from me!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RCSID on February 07, 2006, 12:53:24 PM
Does anyone on this board talk about something other than Aurora? Haha. I was just catching up and it seemed rather Aurora-centric. Anyone with predictions for the NIIC Tourney in a couple weeks? Obviously a number of you think highly of Aurora (and rightly so, I suppose), but where do you think the rest of the field will finish? Personally, in spite of a low body count to start with, a pair of season-ending injuries and a couple problems during conference play, I think the Regents will show up to the tourney with their A game and surprise a few people...then again, I think they'll surprise a few people in the next two weeks, starting with Benedictine and then hitting Eureka and Clarke. While the Clarke game should be a good one (77-87 loss for the Regents last time), the Regents have shown that they are capable of taking down Benedictine and Eureka and, if they succeed in doing it again, will move upwards in the rankings in time for the tourney...what do the rest of you think?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 07, 2006, 08:11:04 PM
If Brian Miller does read this board, and he uses what he reads here in planning, I can assure you MSOE has no chance to win the conference tournament. I'm sure some people at MSOE read this board, but would bet Miller is not one of them. MSOE is a group of talented individual players, not a team. Lakeland and Edgewood are teams, and one of them will win the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 08, 2006, 01:51:03 PM
WLC  moving up in the conference...look for another win on saturday against Edgewood.  We beat them once why not again eh?  Hey its also good to see Brian Miller taking the heat instead of Skip,  I swear its a sign of the Apocalypse when WLC has not been ripped on within 5-6 posts.  Way to have a good Lutheran attitude D3! 

Busty

PS- yes it would be nice to have those guys back, along with Metzger, and the "flying knueppel brothers"  but hey, thats not going to happen (unless Josh takes off his tie and puts on a uniform)  So i will gladly stick with the guys we got now.  Just remember for as long as you live...nothing will be as good as it used too

PSS- showtime....you are an idiot, sorry bout it 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 08, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: fishguy on February 07, 2006, 08:11:04 PM
I'm sure some people at MSOE read this board, but would bet Miller is not one of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 08, 2006, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 08, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: fishguy on February 07, 2006, 08:11:04 PM
I'm sure some people at MSOE read this board, but would bet Miller is not one of them.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did. 

Well, I believe an assistant coach used to be a poster.
Anyway, I disagree that MSOE will not be a contender in the conference tournament, but they have a long way to go with not alot of time (losing to Marian (on a bank three pointer) and being down 7 at half was not a good start). They have been searching for an identity on offense all season. When pressured against good defenses (Lawrence and Lakeland) the offense falls apart and Mikos tries heaving up threes and Floyd tries to drive into 3 guys... If MSOE can take adavntage of the mismatch Scott Murphy provides on the inside they can beat Lakeland. But right  now the gap between Lakeland and MSOE is alot larger than the gap between MSOE and the rest of conference-Lost to Edgewood, taken to overtime by WLC, down by seven at half vs. Dominican, down by about 8 with 5 minutes to go @Concordia, lost to Marian, and losing at half to Maranatha.
Anyway I think it was more the heat of the moment that got to Coach Miller in the Lakeland game (that was the first T i had seen him take) than anything else  He saw the opportunity of Mikos and Bayiha slipping away.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 08, 2006, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: from downtown on February 08, 2006, 02:39:11 PM
Anyway I think it was more the heat of the moment that got to Coach Miller in the Lakeland game (that was the first T i had seen him take) than anything else  He saw the opportunity of Mikos and Bayiha slipping away.

Well he was only a couple geometric dimensions from being D3's Bob Knight (Ball vs. Chair) against Lakeland. And I'm not sure how many other coaches would blame the heat of the moment for marching out to center court to protest a call that wasn't even that bad in the first place.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on February 08, 2006, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 08, 2006, 03:05:33 PM
And I'm not sure how many other coaches would blame the heat of the moment for marching out to center court to protest a call that wasn't even that bad in the first place.

I take it you haven't been to many WIAC games in your time?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 08, 2006, 03:27:14 PM
The Way I See It,

I guess no one was at the game when Miller used to coach at Lakeland and he pretended he was the punter for the Green Bay Packers during the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 08, 2006, 03:37:08 PM
Feb. 9 Concordia (Ill.) @ Dominican --- Dominican by 12
Feb. 9 Maranatha @ Concordia (Wis.)* ---Concordia by 21
Feb. 11 Maranatha @ Marian* ---Marian by 18
Feb. 11 MSOE @ Lakeland* ----
Feb. 11 Wis. Lutheran @ Edgewood* ---- Edgewood by 14

Fishguy:
Im pretty sure he reads this forum.  I asked a couple people if they have any isos besides their offense. The response was that there are a few set plays that are pretty good, only there is always somebody who doesnt know the play and f's it up. Im not gonna hate on miller(anymore), but i think we can all agree its partly the coaches responsibility to make sure people know the plays.

Also, even though im not sure if they can win the tournament, they have a chance. I would say they are still going to be in the championship @ lakeland.

bust-yall - gordon bombay  -- whatever your name is... are you one of the "6th man" in the Xtra small tee shirts?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 08, 2006, 04:07:48 PM
Quote from: tommy_devito on February 08, 2006, 03:19:06 PM
I take it you haven't been to many WIAC games in your time?

Is it heat of the moment or just being a baby?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on February 08, 2006, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 08, 2006, 04:07:48 PM
Quote from: tommy_devito on February 08, 2006, 03:19:06 PM
I take it you haven't been to many WIAC games in your time?

Is it heat of the moment or just being a baby?

Good point. Maybe a little bit of both?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: I Hate WLC on February 08, 2006, 05:31:18 PM
I agree with the WIAC comment, the LMC (minus the occasional Larson, and apparently Miller, rampages) the coaches are fairly calm.  From what I remember about Bennett at Point, he used to spend more time on the court then he did by the bench.

I'm loving that Edgewood scored 73 points and their high scorer had 14.  Can't wait for the tourney.

I am extremely disappointed that I am missing Lutheran's visit to the Dome, but I will be highly intoxicated at Lambeau.  My boy paannounce will handle things just fine though.

Edgewood 81, WLC 70.......subject to change if things change in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on February 08, 2006, 07:03:53 PM
Another question from a new poster.... When does the LMC awards come out? At the end of the regular season  or after the conference tournament? Who are the front runners for each award POY, ROY, 1st team and so on. Anybody want to toss ideas out??????
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 09, 2006, 12:06:11 AM
The meeting to pick the all-conference team is after the LMC tournament. So the player of the year award will lean big time on who wins the tournament - at least that's my opinion. If MSOE wants to win the tournament, Mikos and/or Floyd will have to be huge for them. I don't think there is a clear front runner - Mikos and Floyd from MSOE, Peets from Concordia, James from Lakeland have to be on the short list. If Lakeland wins the tourney after winning the league, I think POY has to be James. He doesn't have the flashy stats, but he's the clear floor leader of a very solid team.

Rookie of the year has to be Rogers from Lakeland - no one else is even on the same planet as that kid. I believe there is a 10 guy first team and then all honorable mention. Lakeland will get two - probably Saiberlich. Edgewood will get 1-2 - Cooper, Averkamp maybe. Hagel from Lutheran is first team. Some others i am forgetting.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on February 09, 2006, 01:02:24 AM
yeah the tournament will really determine POY but i have to say frontrunner has got to be James followed by Mikos then Bayhia
1st team will be james mikos bahiya saberlich averkamp cooper peets hagel haiduc  i would say are locks but other possibilities include murphy jiles lipanot burch clay van ess redmond

rogers takes home rookie of the year
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusader on February 09, 2006, 12:47:10 PM
I agree with RCSID, people should talk about somebody other than aurora.  lets talk about the clarke crusaders, who lost 2 members of the d3hoops all region team, and their starting point guard, and are set to win the conference for the first time in school history.  Clarke pounded benedictine last night by 27 at home...what a credit to the home court advantage clarke has built in the last 2 seasons, making it a tough place for opponents to play, and an inspirational place to play for the home team.  with only one game left against a decent opponent, I see clarke knocking off aurora, just like last year at home, and walking away with the conference title.  clarke played aurora tough at au without our starting 3 guard, now he's back and they will not be denied.  eureka plays tough at home, but clarkes too good to lose to them.  and after watching clarke play rockford a few weeks ago, i never thought i'd see such an undisciplined team.  just goes to show you, poor attitudes get you no where, had the officials not influenced the game, clarke might have won by 30!  clarke is a class act, and gets no respect for its recents accomplishments.  i'm just glad to see clarke move on to bigger and better things this year after the conference is dismantled.  the niic has done nothing for clarke.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 09, 2006, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: jgatz33 on February 09, 2006, 01:02:24 AM
yeah the tournament will really determine POY but i have to say frontrunner has got to be James followed by Mikos then Bayhia
1st team will be james mikos bahiya saberlich averkamp cooper peets hagel haiduc  i would say are locks but other possibilities include murphy jiles lipanot burch clay van ess redmond

rogers takes home rookie of the year

Is the ROY open to anyone that is playing their first year in the LMC or just freshman?

I think the more likely choice for POY is either Mikos or Bayiha because they have the gaudy numbers and it doesn't seem like anybody's too concerned with on-court presence enough to jump him nine spots in PPG, 20+ spots in RPG, and three spots in APG.

And if you say that the tournament will decide it well then I'd have to clearly go with the MSOE boys simply because Lakeland certainly isn't going to stray from the team style of play that's worked for them all year, and lately with how MSOE has been falling behind on a game-to-game basis, you know Kobe--I mean--Floyd will be jacking threes at every opportunity.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 09, 2006, 11:52:32 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 09, 2006, 07:05:44 PM
Is the ROY open to anyone that is playing their first year in the LMC or just freshman?

I think the more likely choice for POY is either Mikos or Bayiha because they have the gaudy numbers and it doesn't seem like anybody's too concerned with on-court presence enough to jump him nine spots in PPG, 20+ spots in RPG, and three spots in APG.

Any first year player...as far as I know.  I agree with you about Mikos or Bayiha because of the numbers.  I'm leaning towards Bayiha even though he has a hard time passing the ball.  Sometimes I think the homers in Milwaukee give Bayiha an assist when he shoots, misses, someone else rebounds and scores.  That's an assist from Bayiha in their eyes.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 10, 2006, 09:40:49 AM
Rookie of the year is an award for the top freshman - it's not open for any newcomers. Otherwise, Weitor from Concordia would certainly have been a past winner.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 10, 2006, 10:58:50 AM
Quote from: crusader on February 09, 2006, 12:47:10 PM
with only one game left against a decent opponent, I see clarke knocking off aurora, just like last year at home, and walking away with the conference title.  clarke played aurora tough at au without our starting 3 guard, now he's back and they will not be denied. 

The NIIC has always been a three team league, with those teams being Aurora, Benedictine, and Rockford (in alphabetical order).  Crusader, you say that the NIIC has done nothing for Clarke.....how about this:  Clarke has done nothing in the NIIC.  Don't get me wrong, the Crusaders are playing very very well in conference this season.  But don't knock the NIIC becuase Clarke has never won a conference title.  Other than a long, scenic drive through Iowa, Clarke basketball hasn't done much for the NIIC.

I have to question your description of the Rockford squad as well.  Rockford has some very talented individuals, and a similar 12-10 overall record to the Crusaders.  Unexpectedly losing your head coach cannot be easy on any team, in any sport.  "Poor attitude" is a vague term as well, and 40 minutes of basketball is not enough to judge these kids' personalities.  Officials or not, Clarke would not have defeated RC by 30.  Leave the zebras out of the discussion.  They get bad mouthed enough in person, they don't need to get it on the internet as well.

As far as "not being denied" the NIIC title, the Crusaders are already behind the 8 ball.  Let me list the reasons why:

1.  AU's youth has led to some inconsistent play so far, but they always have a good chance to win with Welton on the court.  29.9 points per NIIC game is quite impressive for a sophomore, who didn't play his final two years of high school and sat out his "true" freshman year. 

2.  Even though both AU and CC have 6-1 conference records, AU currently holds the head-to-head tie-breaker.  So Clarke has to beat Aurora to stay in the race for the #1 seed. 

3.  If CC does defeat AU and both teams end up with 8-2 records (meaning Eureka or RC would have to beat CC), AU would hold the tie-breaker of overall record (AU 15-10, CC 14-11). 

Clarke has a quality squad this year.  They lead the NIIC in scoring defense and scoring field goal percentage, and they are second in the NIIC in scoring margin and field goal percentage.  I don't want to be misread, so:  I AM NOT TRASHING CLARKE COLLEGE.  I just disagree with Crusader's comments, and felt the need to respond (which is why we have this discussion board, correct?). 

Hopefully whoever win the NIIC will get a chance to play in the NIIC tournament.  It would be a shame for the conference not to have a representitive in it's final year of existence. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 10, 2006, 12:10:24 PM
IMO, it is Jeff Mikos over Floyd. Mikos seems more valuable to MSOE's success. Bahiya puts up more points, but Mikos gets it done on both ends of the floor. He is a good rebounding guard. One of the best defensive players I have seen. One of the best at getting steals in the nation despite usually getting the responsiblity of guarding the other teams best player, forward or guard. If Floyd werent on the roster, Mikos would obviously get more points.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusader on February 10, 2006, 01:33:17 PM
If you think the NIIC has only been a 3 team league, I think you should consult the all-sports standings.  I was not referring to just basketball, I apologize for not clarifying earlier.  In basketball, in the past 10 years, aurora, benedictine, and rockford have had great squads, but in the past 3 years clarke has really made a name for itself in basketball.  If you new what went on behind the scenes, you would see a conference that is very unorganized and bends the rules much too often.  Also, being so far away, Clarke seems to get picked on as far as all-conference selections.

As for Rockford, I have always enjoyed watching them play.  DeCook was one of the better all around basketball players I have ever scene at this level, and Wing would light it up with the likes of Reddick(I'm not even joking).  While watching Rockford, they have a ton of talent, but all i saw was undisciplined basketball and a lot of individual play.  Also, my ears started to hurt by the end of the game from listening to their coach yell at his players.  Has he ever tried positive reinforcement?  You know where Rockford messed up, they could of had geoff wing as a coach this year and they let him go.  Talk about a guy who knows a ton about the game and would have had the pride to win and spread it to his players.  They really let a good coach get away.

I don't understand how we are "behind the 8 ball"
1.  Welton is one player(a hell of a player at that), not that he doesn't have a decent supporting cast, but it takes a team, not one player.
2.  The AU-Clarke game will be for the conference championship.  If clarke were to lose, we wouldn't have to worry about the tie breaker.  Lets face it, no one else will defeat either of these teams.  This game is not about a race for the title, it's about the conference title.  Clarke will not lose to Rockford at home, it's just not going to happen.  The only home conference game clarke has lost in the last 2 years was against benedictine, a game where clarke just couldn't get anything going.
3.  Just face it, its not going to happen.  If Aurora wins against Clarke, then its over.  If Clarke wins, then its over.

If Aurora wins out, they might have a chance to get in.  Clarke might have shot itself in the foot against Mt. Mercy, a game where they played without their starting pg bynum(17.2 ppg, 4.5 apg) because he signed a contract he would no longer miss a night class.  The class didn't even have anything to do with his major.

Clarke is finally starting to get back to full strength.  Murleys back, Kilburg, who has fought through a stress fracture in his foot even since the end of December, is starting to become more mobile, and the emergence of Cirks becoming not only a guy who does the dirty work, but a shooting threat make Clarke dangerous.  Also, harris and fitz have really started contributing on the O end.  They may not have a Welton, but they have 6 guys who know how to play team ball, and this wednesdays matchup will be something special.  Lookin forward to see it.  Any predictions out there?

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 10, 2006, 02:08:05 PM
The coaches vote a number system and rank people like 1-6 (something like that). The person who averages the highest gets POY(I am not sure if coaches can vote for their own player, or if they have to show the other coaches their picks....i was told they do have to show).

Thinking about who the coaches would vote for and leave off based on spite..... I dont think bayhia will get the votes from the coaches. I dont think cooper, averkamp, or peets will get the votes either. I dont think WLC, Marian, Maranatha, and Dominican have a possible POY. I think that narrows it down to Saberlich, James, Mikos, and possibly bayiha. I know people think Lakeland is a great team and it kinda shadows the stars or whatever. I think that will have the same problem with bayiha and mikos.

I think its to soon to tell who will jump ahead because those 4 are pretty close with the most important games left to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 10, 2006, 03:59:47 PM
The Way I See It,

There is just no clear cut regular season MVP. Lakeland's team is like the Detroit Pistons in that there is no clear cut top player. They just get the job done. James, Mikos and Bayihaa are all worthy candidates. If one of them doesn't get POY, then I would be shocked.

Despite some previous posts and some other beliefs, I think the LMC coaches have done a good job of seperating out the POY to just the regular season instead of including the playoffs. Out of the last 4 POY's, 2 have gone to the NCAA tournament and 2 have not.

With that said, my choices are the following:

COY : Gary Grzesk
ROY : Matt Rogers
POY : Germayne James

1st Team:
Germayne James, LC
Jeff Mikos, MSOE
Floyd Bayiha, MSOE
Mike Haiduc, DU
Matt Peets. CU
Titus Redmond, MC
Brian Hagel, WLC
Seth Cooper, EC
Scott Murphy, MSOE
Charlie Averkamp (as much as i don't like his game,,,the guy averages a double-double), EC

All-rookie
Matt Rogers, LC
Peter Worth, LC
Jon Ciche, EC
Danny Behm, WLC
Jameel Sabree, MSOE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2006, 06:25:23 PM
Quote from: crusader on February 10, 2006, 01:33:17 PMIf Aurora wins out, they might have a chance to get in.  Clarke might have shot itself in the foot against Mt. Mercy

Aurora is not going to get into the big dance. The NIIC will get shut out of March Madness in this, the final season of the league. Check out the Bumbling B's room under the Multi-Regional Topics header for the discussion of which four teams are going to get the Pool B bids, and why Aurora will not be one of them. Seriously, they aren't even close to being in the running. The Spartans aren't ranked in the region; they're an unspectacular 10-6 in regional play; and their QOWI is 164th in the nation out of 394 D3 teams.

Clarke's game against Mount Mercy has nothing to do with anything as far as the D3 tourney is concerned. Mount Mercy isn't even a D3 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusader on February 10, 2006, 10:54:11 PM
i guess we have dominican to thank that there will be no NIIC rep in the tourny this year.  it's just ashame that in the last year of the conference, we will not be represented.  although the records don't state, i think au, ben, clarke, and rockford could all play with other schools that will make the tourny, this has just been a year of inconsistency for the niic
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on February 10, 2006, 11:10:57 PM
Quote from: crusader on February 10, 2006, 10:54:11 PM
i guess we have dominican to thank that there will be no NIIC rep in the tourny this year.  it's just ashame that in the last year of the conference, we will not be represented.  although the records don't state, i think au, ben, clarke, and rockford could all play with other schools that will make the tourny, this has just been a year of inconsistency for the niic

Crusader, I'm not so sure about that.  I can't speak for clarke or rockford, but North Central College beat benedictine by 28pts at NCC and beat AU by 29pts at AU earlier in the year!  Now, I know teams improve as the year goes on, but they didn't look like tournament teams then.  The interesting thing is NCC is not even guaranteed to get in the big dance and they are 12-4 in the region.  Making the tournament in the midwest region is not easy. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 11, 2006, 01:27:50 AM
Surprised to see Saiberlich off that list.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 11, 2006, 02:10:45 AM
I don't see James winning it.  Nothing against him, but Lakeland is the definition of "TEAM".  There are just too many options on the Muskies' roster where one guy will stand out.  With Edgewood, it's Seth Cooper, with MSOE it's either Mikos or Bayiha.  You can't just shut down James and stop Lakeland.  They are too balanced as a team to single out one guy...and that's exactly when Grzesk will get Coach of the Year, he's really got that team playing as one.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusader on February 11, 2006, 02:44:35 PM
haven't paid much attention to ncc this year, i remember last year when they beat clarke by 1 after an impressive start to their season(one of the more solidly played basketball games i've witnessed), but then it seemed to me like they really lost it down the stretch of the season. 

cardinalpride, as i stated before, this has been a year of inconsistency for the niic.  yes, those wins against au and ben are impressive, but on the other hand, i'm sure that au and ben could beat teams that have beat ncc.  my arguement is that these teams have the ability to play with anyone.  the talent is there, there is just a lot of inconsistent play.  clarke, for example, plays augustana tough(79-73 loss), showing they can play with one of d3's top teams, and then loses to marion in ot after giving up a 14 point halftime lead.  or robert morris college(chicago), who blows everybody out...with 8 minutes to go in the first half clarke was up by 8. 

and how about au, who beat millikin(weren't they your first loss of the season?)

the talent in the niic is there, they can play with anybody.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2006, 03:46:18 PM
Crusader, I've seen three of the NIIC's six teams this season: Aurora, Benedictine, and CURF. They are most definitely a couple of notches, if not more, below the current Big Four in the CCIW: Augustana, Illinois Wesleyan, Elmhurst, and North Central. Aurora, which is your league's best team this season, would lose to any of those CCIW powers four out of every five times they played.

Your assertion that the NIIC's teams "can play with anybody" simply isn't true. In years past, a NIIC team or two would usually be good enough to go toe-to-toe with the better D3 teams in Wisconsin and Illinois. But not this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusader on February 11, 2006, 06:02:20 PM
i said play with anybody, not beat anybody.  cardinalpride made it seem like the niic would just get blown out by everybody.  i saw a post somewhere on this that said in a scrimmage aurora beat augustana earlier this year.  and, i might have to correct you, clarke is the niic's best team this year.  i can't wait til wednesday when we are at full strength against aurora, then we can prove to all the doubters.  aurora might have the best player, but clarke does indeed have the best team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on February 11, 2006, 07:54:53 PM
Muskies win a battle in the tank  66-63 over MSOE and Byeeeeea had just 10 pts.  Nice defense by the Muskies, and the bench steped up after injuries took out some people.

WLC turns out a big win against Edgewood to get a first round home game at the REX.  Look out CUW.  Congrats to whomever started that "one more year" chant.  Thanks to you, we might now get Cooper back for a 7th year.  One can only hope. 

Marian gets a win over MBBC.  big suprise there. 


Thurs. , Feb. 16, 2006
Quarterfinals - 7pm
#1 Lakeland vs. #8 Maranatha   <<<<<<<<< LC
#2 MSOE vs. #7 Marian               <<<<<<<<< MSOE
#3 Wis. Lutheran vs. #6 Concordia<<<<<<<  WLC
#4 Edgewood vs. #5 Dominican<<<<<<<<<  How great would that be if EC goes down!  to bad it aint gonna happen.


PEACE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 12, 2006, 03:37:04 PM
I think the Maniacs got under MSOE's collective skin yesterday. Sleepy Floyd was staring them down the entire game. With 10 points, I'm glad the loss was humbling for the cocky Raiders.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusader on February 12, 2006, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 11, 2006, 03:46:18 PM
Crusader, I've seen three of the NIIC's six teams this season: Aurora, Benedictine, and CURF. They are most definitely a couple of notches, if not more, below the current Big Four in the CCIW: Augustana, Illinois Wesleyan, Elmhurst, and North Central. Aurora, which is your league's best team this season, would lose to any of those CCIW powers four out of every five times they played.

What good timing for loses to 3 of your big 4 teams, just proving that any team can get beaten on any given day.
Aurora at Clarke is set for Wednesday night, the NIIC's last conference championship will be on the line!!!! 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 12, 2006, 06:18:33 PM
Well words could not express what happened this weekend.  All in all an Edgewood sweep is great, actually its beyond belief the relief that I felt when I heard the final score that night.  Is it wrong that the first thing I thought about was "Ha, we were supposed to finish 6th in the LMC!"  Once again, WLC is underestimated and is placed with the task of playing against Concordia on the 16th I believe.  Thats fine with us though, we will play Concordia any day of the year (however, you boyz cant get cocky or go in looking at it as a pushover)  and then, eventually, when all the dust is settled, it will be WLC and Lakeland in the final.  And guess what...guess who has the only LMC win against Lakeland?  That means that WLC is 1 win better then the rest of you chumps.  If we get there look for D3hoops LMC posters worse nightmare...another WLC conference championship.

You heard it here first,
Bust Ya'll

Quote from: I Hate WLC on February 08, 2006, 05:31:18 PM
Edgewood 81, WLC 70.......subject to change if things change in the next couple of days.
Good call there buddy...keep hating

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 12, 2006, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on February 08, 2006, 03:37:08 PM
bust-yall - gordon bombay  -- whatever your name is... are you one of the "6th man" in the Xtra small tee shirts?

I may have the heart of Gordon Bombay, but I am certainly not him...And no, I wear an XL shirt actually and it fits very comfortably.  Wasnt it you who said show big or go home?...well I think its fair to say an XL constitutes as showing up "big"

Showtimesazero....you too can keep hating.

With a brothers love,
Bust Ya'll
<Hey, its Valentines day soon why not?)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 12, 2006, 09:09:21 PM
Busty

Congrats on the win over Lakeland ... even if it did come over 2 months ago. But that's ago, living in the past is something we've grown used to from WLC fans.

Congrats also on finishing below .500, getting swept by Dominican and losing to ... Marian.

Good luck in the tournament! I'm sure Lakeland would enjoy seeing you and your team head north on tourney championship day.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 12, 2006, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: fishguy on February 12, 2006, 09:09:21 PM
Good luck in the tournament! I'm sure Lakeland would enjoy seeing you and your team head north on tourney championship day.

Not so fast. Edgewood could be the most dangerous 4 seed ever. How the hell they collapsed to that 4 seed is beyond me. And I wouldn't give LC the title yet. That match up is scary. Of course, EC has to get through Dominican first, and despite Warrior_Fish's prediction I think it might be a pretty close game.

Really the only game without intrigue in the first round is the Lakeland-Maranatha game. I mean, could Marian duplicate their upset of MSOE?

Just for the record, I'd rather see Concordia in The Aquarium than WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on February 13, 2006, 01:31:19 AM
I agree with big uns. I believe that all of these games are going to be competitive exept for LC vs. MBBC. Marian has shown that they can beat MSOE and MSOE is not playing there best basketball as of right now. When Bahiya came back it made their TEAM much worst I actually think that they are better without him. As for the 4 vs 5 game Edgewood has beaten DU twice but in each game Dominican was up double digits in the game. They were up 20 points  in the game at Edgewood but they seem to have a continuing problem with holding on to leads. If it wasn't for that DU could actually be a pretty good team instead they are mediocre. WLC seems to be playing pretty good as of late but you never know. WlC was swept by DU and Dominican lost at home to CU. I feel as if all the match-ups can go either way it all depends on who plays the better game and who commits the least mistakes. This is why coaches say that their teams need to be playing their beast basketball at the end of the year.

My predictions are:

LC over MBBC (landslide pick)
Marian over MSOE (upset pick)
WLC over Concordia
Dominican over Edgewood
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2006, 04:02:33 AM
Quote from: crusader on February 12, 2006, 06:17:09 PMWhat good timing for loses to 3 of your big 4 teams, just proving that any team can get beaten on any given day

I never said that that wasn't true. I said that the top four in the CCIW are superior enough to Aurora to beat the Spartans four out of five times each. I haven't seen Clarke play this season, but based on your home loss to Augustana, your loss to Wheaton when they were 2-4 and seriously floundering early in the season, and your sixteen-point loss to Aurora earlier in the NIIC slate, I doubt that your Crusaders are all that much better than Aurora in terms of how they'd fare against the CCIW's top four.

BTW, saying that NIIC teams can "play with" the big dogs is a bit of an empty brag. Beating teams is what matters, not hanging around with them. I always tip my cap to any underdog that can stay with a better team, and there's some pride to be found in a close loss under those circumstances, but in the end basketball isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. Close doesn't count. Winning is what matters.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2006, 04:07:48 AM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on February 12, 2006, 06:22:58 PMAnd no, I wear an XL shirt actually and it fits very comfortably.  Wasnt it you who said show big or go home?...well I think its fair to say an XL constitutes as showing up "big"

In my book, "showing up big" means posting after your team's losses as well as after your team's wins. Anybody can turn on the computer and talk big after a win. Posting consistently after every game, even if it's a loss to your most hated rival, is the epitome of "showing up big".
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 13, 2006, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: The Guru on February 13, 2006, 01:31:19 AM
My predictions are:

LC over MBBC (landslide pick)
Marian over MSOE (upset pick)
WLC over Concordia
Dominican over Edgewood

I'll take:

LC over MBBC
MSOE over Marian
WLC over Concordia
Edgewood over Dominican
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 13, 2006, 12:50:02 PM
I dont think WLC has much of a chance to make it to the final -- Just my opinion.

I was not at the Lakeland/MSOE game but it sounded like it was a good game. MSOE had the lead late in the 2nd half and couldnt seal the deal.  I am not sure what miller has up his sweater vest, but it better be something good if he wants to beat Lakeland....and for that matter Marian.  For the 1st round my picks are:

LC over MBBC
MSOE over Marian
Concordia over WLC
Edgewood over dominican

How can anyone pick LC over MBBC as the blowout special?  I wouldnt be suprised if Maranatha didnt even show up... thanks Guru!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 13, 2006, 01:24:15 PM
The quote on living in the past didnt remain in your brain very long...

Quote from: fishguy on February 12, 2006, 09:09:21 PM
Busty
Congrats on the win over Lakeland ... even if it did come over 2 months ago. But that's ago, living in the past is something we've grown used to from WLC fans.
Congrats also on finishing below .500, getting swept by Dominican and losing to ... Marian.
All of those things you mentioned, umm, happened in the past.  SO if we play your game it doesnt matter what happened then right? 

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2006, 04:07:48 AM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on February 12, 2006, 06:22:58 PMAnd no, I wear an XL shirt actually and it fits very comfortably.  Wasnt it you who said show big or go home?...well I think its fair to say an XL constitutes as showing up "big"

In my book, "showing up big" means posting after your team's losses as well as after your team's wins. Anybody can turn on the computer and talk big after a win. Posting consistently after every game, even if it's a loss to your most hated rival, is the epitome of "showing up big".
And Mr. Gregory,  not all of us have the privilage to work for D3 hoops and average 3.1 posts a day.  I have been posting fairly consistent throughout my four year D3hoops career.  This year has been a little hard, but I've found the time to throw in my 2 cents.  So, if you are scolding me...or if you just took what I was saying the wrong way...back off.  I was responding to showtime, not you.  So you can just go back to your other little D3 chatrooms and talk your ideals with your other buddies.  I dont need a lecture on how to "go big" from you.

And that my friends is my point of view,
Bust
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 13, 2006, 02:02:55 PM
The Way I See It,

Busty,
Get your people straight before accusing them of saying something (Fishguy is not the name you mentioned).
Secondly, be careful of what you wish for in wanting the trip up to Lakeland in the playoffs. When was the last time WLC has beaten Lakeland IN Lakeland? And lastly, get by Concordia and MSOE/Marian before even worrying about Lakeland.

And here are my picks for the entire tourney.

Lakeland 83  MBBC 52
MSOE 73    Marian  61
Concordia  65   WLC  62  (sorry bout it)
Edgewood  59   Dominican  52

Lakeland 64  Edgewood  55
Concordia  70   MSOE 66

Lakeland  75   Concordia  62

If Lakeland does make it, they might have a chance to not be the bottom seed for the pairings. If anyone else makes it, it is pretty much a lock to be at the bottom.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crowdpleaser on February 13, 2006, 02:48:21 PM
I'm sorry.  I had to post and reply to this conversation.

Why are we even talking about how good Clarke is or could be?  Heck, they aren't even the best team in their own town.  They are 1-4 against IIAC and CCIW teams combined and their sole win out of those is against Cornell by 1 point.  What's Cornell's record?  Oh yeah, 3-20.  Sounds to me like maybe instead of talking about how good Clarke might be the best team in the NIIC we should start talking about how they might be able to "play with anyone" since that apparently matters in the end.  I think the Sister Mary's School for the Blind and Deaf has an opening they could play?  Sager is correct.  Winning games is what matters.  So hopefully Clarke can beat up on Eisenhower Elementary School this weekend in their scrimmage so they can have at least one win against Dubuque schools.

I admire the pride you have Crusader.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 13, 2006, 03:03:41 PM
What are you talking about?  I didnt accuse mitch of anything?

Besides, I know WLC has it locked, a win is bound to happen at Lakeland soon enough.  And the guys are on a winning streak going into the tourney.  And nice pick there with Concordia, doing it not based on fact, but strictly to piss me off....got a little bit of Busty in you?  Keep dreaming..
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 13, 2006, 03:08:02 PM
Clarke lost to UD by 5 and lost to Loras by 9..those teams are 3rd and 6th in the IIAC..Cornell is last..and the IIAC is not a strong conference, there is usually 1-2 team2 who dominates the conference (Wartburg and BV have been within 2 games of each other, in conference, for the last 5 years)..but Nationally, the IIAC isnot regarded high at all..BV won its first game in the NCAA last year over Edgewood (which again, was regarded lightly nationally, although I think they had a few quality wins) and lost to Puget Sound by 3 (currently ranked top 10)..so my point is, Clarke isn't very good and they are in a conference that isnt very good now (although I expect Aurora to be nationally ranked next year. They have a few shooters, and a dominating all american)..Clarke also lost to Marian (9-16, 5-9 in the LMC)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 13, 2006, 03:49:50 PM
The Way I See It,

I hope i don't have a little Busty in me. I picked Concordia because 'that is the way i see it' happening. I also picked them to upset Edgewood in the semifinals (so concordia over WLC wasn't just out of spite towards you). There is typically a lower seed in the LMC tournament that comes up and surprises everybody. I think Concordia is that team this year. I don't see Marian beating MSOE twice at the Kern Center in one year. I certainly don't see Maranatha staying in the game at Lakeland. And dominican beating edgewood wouldn't really be that much of an upset seeing as how they were up so big on them in the previous two games. So that leaves me with Concordia.

Sorry bout it, but i just don't think WLC has the talent and depth. It has nothing to do with you liking them. It is what i see in the team and what they have done this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 14, 2006, 12:47:12 AM
Crusader--people like you are the reason the NIIC doesn't get respect.  Of all years to say the NIIC can hang with the CCIW, you pick this year.  I would give you credit if you pointed out a couple of teams within the past few years.  But Clarke, in my opinion, has been much of a scare in the past.  The first time they might have a chance to win the conference is in a year when it is down the most it has in a while. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2006, 01:27:55 AM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on February 13, 2006, 01:24:15 PMAnd Mr. Gregory,  not all of us have the privilage to work for D3 hoops and average 3.1 posts a day.  I have been posting fairly consistent throughout my four year D3hoops career.  This year has been a little hard, but I've found the time to throw in my 2 cents.  So, if you are scolding me...or if you just took what I was saying the wrong way...back off.  I was responding to showtime, not you.  So you can just go back to your other little D3 chatrooms and talk your ideals with your other buddies.  I dont need a lecture on how to "go big" from you.

"Mr. Gregory"?

You've gotta love a trash-talker who can shift gears on the fly and go into indignation mode that quickly. Thanks for the chuckles, Busty. Keep 'em coming!  :D

BTW, I'd like to see Lakeland come out of the LMC tourney. They'd be an underdog no matter who they play in the big dance, but my guess is that they offer the best shot this conference has at a tourney win -- and a tourney win would be a nice capstone to the history of the soon-to-be-defunct LMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusader on February 14, 2006, 02:14:13 AM
of course i'm guna talk trash since we can win the conference, wouldn't you?  as for clarke being not very good in the past...last year was the best team clarke had ever put on the floor, a team that creamed the likes of CCIW's "big 4" Augustana on their own home floor. 

and for others, as i stated before, replacing basically 85% of a teams offense can be difficult.  Clarke played schools like Loras and UD and Cornell and Wheaton all early in the season.  They have really started to gel as the season has rolled on.  I think the 27 point thrashing of benedictine is a credit to their improvement over the season.  Clarke is on fire right now, and if they were to have another shot at loras and ud they would smoke them. 

as for the marion loss, the last of the learning experiences, the team, who held a 14 point lead at halftime, learned you can never underestimate your opponents, and the game is never over until it's over.  that loss was about as bad as north dakota state beating wisconsin at home, or penn state beating illinois at home.  just goes to show you, even the best team in the big ten(wisconsin) can get beat if they decide to not show up.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2006, 02:23:02 AM
Quote from: crusader on February 14, 2006, 02:14:13 AM
of course i'm guna talk trash since we can win the conference, wouldn't you?  as for clarke being not very good in the past...last year was the best team clarke had ever put on the floor, a team that creamed the likes of CCIW's "big 4" Augustana on their own home floor. 

That was two years ago, not last year. Augie and Clarke didn't play last year. And there was no "big four" in the CCIW in 2003-04. Illinois Wesleyan won the conference by two games over Augie and Wheaton, and the fourth-place team (Carthage) was only 7-7 in conference. Augie went 16-9 that year; they were certainly not up to the level of this season's team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 04:29:11 AM
Gregory doesn't work for D3hoops. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2006, 04:35:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 04:29:11 AM
Gregory doesn't work for D3hoops. :)

Neither does Mr. Gregory. But I understand that Pat's wife highly recommends Mr. Gregory as her hair stylist.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 14, 2006, 09:45:32 AM
If lakeland/msoe whoever win the tournament. I think there is a good chance they will play lawrence. Even though MSOE tanked early this year to LU, the game wasnt as bad as the score showed and i think either team would have a decent shot at an upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 14, 2006, 11:18:58 AM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on February 14, 2006, 09:45:32 AM
If lakeland/msoe whoever win the tournament. I think there is a good chance they will play lawrence. Even though MSOE tanked early this year to LU, the game wasnt as bad as the score showed and i think either team would have a decent shot at an upset.

MSOE has long way to go before they can worry about knocking off the only undefeated in all of college basketball.

MSOE over Marian by 8
Lakeland over MBBC by 30
Edgewood over Dominican by 5
Concondia over WLC by 3
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 14, 2006, 11:36:22 AM
The Way I See It,

I would think Lawrence would get a first round bye in the tournament (unless the format has changed over previous years). I would think Carroll would be a good possibility if they get in or even the winner of the WIAC or CCIW.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:46:29 PM
The format has changed. You should read the front page, specifically this link in the Daily Dose:

   • NCAA Tournament refresher (Feb 12, 10 responses)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 14, 2006, 03:49:11 PM
I was thinking of going to watch the carrol vs. lu game this week. I am picking carrol in an upset.  You are right -- even if carrol wins LU will have a good shot at a bye (i would think).  

Downtown-- You dont think i realize that marian beat MSOE. I know they havent been to hot, but i think they will make it to the championship game with out to many problems.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2006, 04:29:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:46:29 PM
The format has changed. You should read the front page, specifically this link in the Daily Dose:

   • NCAA Tournament refresher (Feb 12, 10 responses)

No link there.  Though I've read it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 14, 2006, 04:56:48 PM
The Way I See It,

Thanks Pat for pointing me in the right direction.

I am not at all a fan of the new Regional format if i read it correctly. It is stripping 2 teams of playing in front of an energetic home crowd (assuming that 1 of the teams in the regional hosts the games) for at least Friday night and maybe even Saturday night if the home school were to lose. And isn't that half the fun of making it to the tournament? I see the reason had to do with academics of some kind. But aren't you only really gaining one extra day of class time by doing this? I think the kids are getting screwed more by missing out on a once in a lifetime experience than they are a class or two.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2006, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: The Way on February 14, 2006, 04:56:48 PM
I see the reason had to do with academics of some kind.

More about money.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 14, 2006, 06:12:37 PM
The Way I See It,

I kind of figured that, but i didn't want to bring that up without any knowledge to back it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2006, 06:18:35 PM
Slim possibility that I may make the trek out to the cornfields Thursday, waste $5 or whatever and watch the scrimmage vs. MBBC.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 14, 2006, 04:29:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:46:29 PM
The format has changed. You should read the front page, specifically this link in the Daily Dose:

   • NCAA Tournament refresher (Feb 12, 10 responses)

No link there.  Though I've read it.

Exactly. The link is in the Daily Dose, not in my post. Didn't have time to code it up -- there were USA Today stories to copy edit.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 09:16:25 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 14, 2006, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: The Way on February 14, 2006, 04:56:48 PM
I see the reason had to do with academics of some kind.

More about money.

Huh? How is it more about money?

This costs more money. It doesn't generate revenue. Three teams travel out of every four instead of two. Fewer fans attend neutral-site games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2006, 09:49:40 PM
I had sectionals in my head, not this new regional format.  Sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 15, 2006, 10:41:39 AM
Crusader--What is your prediction for tonights game?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 15, 2006, 12:57:19 PM
I say Clarke 82-68, any other predictions out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 15, 2006, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: crusaders on February 15, 2006, 12:57:19 PM
I say Clarke 82-68, any other predictions out there?
Interesting..Clarke gave up a 10 point lead, lost by 13 in the first game,a nd you are predicting a 14 point win??? Even after realizing that  Welton had a sub par (by his conference stats) game?
I say AU by 6
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 15, 2006, 03:48:06 PM
Clarke had a 10 point lead, it was at Aurora, and we were without starting 3 man Murley, along with 2 guards Harris and Russel in foul trouble.  A freshman guard who, if he sees the floor, sees less than 2 minutes a game, played a lot of minutes.  Also, our starting 5 man injured his shoulder in the first half, and our backup was in the early struggles of playing through a stress fracture in his foot.  All of that in mind, and ice cold shooting led to gettin outscored 40-18 in the second half, sometimes that happens on the road.  If the game wasn't at home, I might not be predicting such an impressive win.  Should be a fun one to watch.  The gym will be packed.  Lets hope senior night doesn't disrupt what these guys have worked for all season.  last senior night against aurora a senior got stripped like 3 straght plays and au had uncontested layups. 

question:  could welton of had a subpar conference game because of the defense he faced?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 15, 2006, 04:26:03 PM
Quote from: crusaders on February 15, 2006, 03:48:06 PM
Clarke had a 10 point lead, it was at Aurora, and we were without starting 3 man Murley, along with 2 guards Harris and Russel in foul trouble.  A freshman guard who, if he sees the floor, sees less than 2 minutes a game, played a lot of minutes.  Also, our starting 5 man injured his shoulder in the first half, and our backup was in the early struggles of playing through a stress fracture in his foot.  All of that in mind, and ice cold shooting led to gettin outscored 40-18 in the second half, sometimes that happens on the road.  If the game wasn't at home, I might not be predicting such an impressive win.  Should be a fun one to watch.  The gym will be packed.  Lets hope senior night doesn't disrupt what these guys have worked for all season.  last senior night against aurora a senior got stripped like 3 straght plays and au had uncontested layups. 

question:  could welton of had a subpar conference game because of the defense he faced?

Lots of excuses, so we'll see...
and if you think that Clarke's defense did a good job holding Welton to 22 and 11 boards, your defense needs some work...although I guess that is a success, since he is averaging 29 or so
also, AU's first post sub only played 8 minutes, due to foul trouble
In my opinion, your PG shot you out of the game..he took too many bad/contested shots..and I think he missed like 13 three pointers..either way, it will be a very close game...but I think AU's shooting gets them out of Dubuque with a win..
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 15, 2006, 04:53:02 PM
would reasons for explaining a loss be classified as anything other than excuses though?

good comment about the pg shooting us out of the game.  he is what makes us click.  at the beginning of the year we lived and died by him.  now the supporting cast has picked it up.  lets hope bynum plays PG tonight and not all star.  he's a tremendous player with a lot of confidence, sometimes too much confidence.  the benedictine game was a credit to what he can do...didn't take as many bad shots, didn't score as much, still created like a champ, and played great defense. 

best of luck to aurora, i'm excited to see what they'll bring to the kehl center tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2006, 05:32:33 PM
Midwest
1 Lawrence 18-0 20-0
2 Augustana (Illinois) 18-2 20-3
3 Carroll (Wisconsin) 17-2 19-2
4 Transylvania 19-4 19-4
5 Illinois Wesleyan 13-4 18-4
6 Lakeland 16-3 20-5
7 Washington U. in St. Louis 12-5 15-7
8 Elmhurst 15-6 16-7

Convenient to see that d3hoops has Lakeland at 16-4 in-region, while the NCAA has them at 16-3.  To be honest, I think La Crosse is more than 200 miles away.  Pat?

Lakeland does have issues with at least two, if not three teams ahead of them in the rankings.  Larry U and Carroll are in the MWC (we'll say one gets a Pool A), same with Ill. Wes. and Augustana (CCIW) and possibly Transy (HCAC). 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 15, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 15, 2006, 05:32:33 PM
Midwest
1 Lawrence 18-0 20-0
2 Augustana (Illinois) 18-2 20-3
3 Carroll (Wisconsin) 17-2 19-2
4 Transylvania 19-4 19-4
5 Illinois Wesleyan 13-4 18-4
6 Lakeland 16-3 20-5
7 Washington U. in St. Louis 12-5 15-7
8 Elmhurst 15-6 16-7

Convenient to see that d3hoops has Lakeland at 16-4 in-region, while the NCAA has them at 16-3.  To be honest, I think La Crosse is more than 200 miles away.  Pat?

Lakeland does have issues with at least two, if not three teams ahead of them in the rankings.  Larry U and Carroll are in the MWC (we'll say one gets a Pool A), same with Ill. Wes. and Augustana (CCIW) and possibly Transy (HCAC). 


Any word on the most recent QOWI? Seems like the selection committee may have a bit of a quandary on their hands if LC doesn't win the LMC tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on February 15, 2006, 06:01:49 PM
I'm sure their QOWI will take a hit if they lose in the tourney. It will be a home loss, wich I believe has less point value. And if it's to anybody but MSOE it will be worth even less. So as long as the CCIW teams lose to a respectable team in their tourney, and the same goes for Carroll in the MWC, it won't be much of a quandary. Lakeland will be out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2006, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 15, 2006, 05:32:33 PM
Midwest
1 Lawrence 18-0 20-0
2 Augustana (Illinois) 18-2 20-3
3 Carroll (Wisconsin) 17-2 19-2
4 Transylvania 19-4 19-4
5 Illinois Wesleyan 13-4 18-4
6 Lakeland 16-3 20-5
7 Washington U. in St. Louis 12-5 15-7
8 Elmhurst 15-6 16-7

Convenient to see that d3hoops has Lakeland at 16-4 in-region, while the NCAA has them at 16-3.  To be honest, I think La Crosse is more than 200 miles away.  Pat?

I have that at 192 miles and will follow up with the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2006, 06:34:04 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 15, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Any word on the most recent QOWI? Seems like the selection committee may have a bit of a quandary on their hands if LC doesn't win the LMC tourney.

Go to the QOWI board.  duh!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 15, 2006, 06:44:56 PM
I did that. I thought maybe it had changed since then...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2006, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 15, 2006, 06:44:56 PM
I did that. I thought maybe it had changed since then...

No worries...but as it was posted, those QOWI were used to determine the latest regional polls...they might be a little off since the NCAA and d3hoops have some differential in terms of in-region records.  Sorry, I didn't mean anything by my smartass remark!  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2006, 08:51:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2006, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 15, 2006, 05:32:33 PM
Midwest
1 Lawrence 18-0 20-0
2 Augustana (Illinois) 18-2 20-3
3 Carroll (Wisconsin) 17-2 19-2
4 Transylvania 19-4 19-4
5 Illinois Wesleyan 13-4 18-4
6 Lakeland 16-3 20-5
7 Washington U. in St. Louis 12-5 15-7
8 Elmhurst 15-6 16-7

Convenient to see that d3hoops has Lakeland at 16-4 in-region, while the NCAA has them at 16-3.  To be honest, I think La Crosse is more than 200 miles away.  Pat?

I have that at 192 miles and will follow up with the NCAA.

Despite the fact that the shortest driving distance between the two points is 192 miles, MS Streets and Trips 2004 does not see it that way. Therefore this is NOT a regional game, and score one for the NCAA.

Makes them 1-for-4 on disputed games, I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 15, 2006, 11:38:23 PM
hey, who wants to talk now??????????  we just beat aurora by 27, anyone want to talk about welton's 29 ppg because he just scored 4 points for the whole game....what a game clarke played, if they keep this up they are going to the tournament...what a great job the coaches have done to prepare clarke for this victory..they have made great adjustments all season...they are finally playing to their ability...

i was off by 15 points...i am ashamed...i should have said clarke by 27....keith45..you were off by 33 points...how do you feel???  clarke has finally gelled as a basketball TEAM!  Bring on anybody at home, we will not be defeated....we just clinched home court throughout the playoffs...find me a team that can beat clarke at home right now and i will be impressed....

there is no team in the CCIW that could outlast Clarke at home right now...Sagers, say what you will, but until you watch Clarke and how they play at home, you know nothing...find any stat you want, you don't know anything...Clarke is on fire right now, and it will be a total tradgey if they don't make the tournament...if Clarke keeps this up(winning by atleast 20) for the rest of the season, they will undoubtedly make the tournament(say what you want, they will!!!)  I hope they get selected, because they are on fire, and no one will stop them at home!!!!!

shout out to coach Davison, after all these years of improvement, he is finally enjoying the success he deserves...I'm glad to see Clarke to play to its ability, and I'm glad that Clarke has showed all of its doubters that CLARKE IS FOR REAL!!!!!!   find me any stat that you guys want, it doesn't matter...All of Clarkes game for the rest of the year are at home, and they DO NOT LOSE AT HOME!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 15, 2006, 11:40:57 PM
CLARKE NIIC CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  TAKE THAT GUYS!!!!!   WHAT IMPROVEMENT..... BRING ON LORAS, BRING ON UD!!!!!!!!!  WE ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE CITY, NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY CLARKE AT HOME!!!

Bring me any stat, do all the research, tell me why you think Clarke is bad, and I will tell you why they deserve the RESPECT they should have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2006, 02:21:15 AM
"There is no team in the CCIW that could outlast Clarke at home right now"? Put down that tube of airplane glue, Crusaders. You could burn out your brain cells huffing that stuff.

And before you get too carried away with declaring who is going to make the tournament and who won't, you might want to start familiarizing yourself with what it takes to get into the tournament: Namely, the five primary criteria. If you're really serious about following this thing, instead of just being some overexcited rah-rah student pounding his caps lock key, get yourself over to the Bumblin' B's room over in the Multi-Regional Topics tree on Posting Up, where Pool B possibilities have been discussed in detail for months now. And they don't look good for Clarke, tonight's impressive win over Aurora notwithstanding.

In other words, educate yourself on the process.

Oh, and either stop misspelling my name, or use your own real name so that I can misspell yours.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 16, 2006, 04:06:55 AM
why don't you get out of the board posts and start worrying about what counts...clarke is on fire right now...you have no vote over whole will make it and who won't...it's just your opinion...it doesn't count for anything...i don't care what the board posts say...the commitee will decide sager(is that better?).  i'm educated, and i know its tough to get into the d3 playoffs without an automatic, but seriously...i know good basketball, and clarke is playing it right now...say what you want about us...but beat us, and then talk...no one can beat us right, we might be the hottest team in the nation...at home, we will not be defeated, and we proved it tonight...i just wish we could play your precious CCIW teams...

sager's, who are you a fan of(or who do think is good?)  you need to spend less time researching stats, and more time realizing teams get hot.  clarke is so hot they are on fire, and you should respect that.  clarke gets no respect for what they do...they have developed into a ball club thisyear, and they have gotten no respect for it, which is why winning the conference championship will be so special to them...no one can talk about how bad we are...we will have the hardware...forget how bad you think the conference is...we would smoke anyone right now...just admit it...we'll take anyone at home! 

saigars, you have no clue...stop criticizing, and start praising...i have yet to see you say one good thing about anybody...does anyone meet your expectations????

and how about the badgers tonight, with a  great win against Ohio State!!!!!!!!  Wisconsin's ready to make a push!!!  Go BADGERS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 16, 2006, 07:57:54 AM
great win by Clarke, but your posts are idiotic at best
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crowdpleaser on February 16, 2006, 11:43:10 AM
I second Keith.  Clarke waited too long to get hot.  THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE POST SEASON TOURNEY.  Teams just like Clarke will get left out.  Sorry to say but the crew making the choices at the end of the year take into consideration records more than how teams are playing at the end of the year.  Even if they win out the rest of the year that puts them at 18-10.  Not a good enough record.  I hope you are right Crusader.  I hope you prove me wrong, but you won't.  I have been around teams that have "been playing well at the end of the year" and they didn't even get a sniff.  NO AQ...NO TOURNEY.  Don't forget that!!

Great win last night though. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 16, 2006, 12:11:08 PM
Congrats to Clarke on the victory over Aurora.  I would love to see the game tape.  Holding Welton to 4 points is not an easy task, thier coaching staff (along with defenders) must have had a solid game plan and excellent execution. 

Just a note to all the overvealous Clarke fans: act like your program has won a big game before.  It's a little thing called "class," Mr. Webster and his dictionary have a great definition if your unfamiliar.  Remember, this was an important regular season game and not the national championship.  I'm well aware that this may be Clarke's first NIIC regular season title.  The program and it's fans should be proud that they have an opportunity to leave the NIIC as champs.  But calling out people on the message board, other Dubuque schools, and the CCIW just portrays ignorance. 

I hope the players and coaching staff are not discussing how they "could" beat the Dubuque schools, or CCIW schools, or that "they are so hot they are on fire" because the season isn't over (Rockford and their "poor attitudes" on Saturday) and anything can happen in the tournament.  Be happy for the moment, and try not to let others know that success is a new accomplishment.   

Again, congratulations to the Crusaders on a great victory.  Let's all hope that the top team from the NIIC (which will be decided by the Pool B voters rather than this message board) gets an opportunity to represent the conference in the NCAA tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lilphil on February 16, 2006, 12:14:13 PM
Crusaders -- Great win last night, I do give credit to any team that can hold Welton to 4 points!

However, it may be a little too late for your Crusaders.  I think for Clarke to have any chance of making the tournament they will have to win this weekend against Rockford and then run the table in the conference tourney....even then it is an outside chance

By the way I noticed in the box score Welton had a Technical called on him what happened???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 16, 2006, 01:06:03 PM
Thank you to all of you for giving Clarke a little respect, that's all we wanted.  We would never call out Dubuque schools or CCIW schools unless there was a reason, like the person who posted Clarke should play a local elementary school if they want a win in their home town.  or the guy who said that clarke would lose 4 out of 5 at best with the top teams in the CCIW.

The players are focused.  They know that if they were to even have any sniff, they would have to run the table and it would still be an outside chance.  They are not talking about how hot we are because they just know.

Welton's T I thought was pretty weak.  One of the officials walked out on the floor with a plan to keep the game under control.  I'm unaware if something was said, but in the first minute of the game, a fan was thrown out of the game.  Then, all of a sudden, like 5 minutes later Welton got fouled and was on the ground, and the next thing I see is the ref calling a Tech on him.  It is a refs job to keep control of the contest, and they called a nice game, but I thought he was a little T happy
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 16, 2006, 04:04:13 PM
Funny how Mother Nature steals the glory of the LMC when they get a mention in the Daily Dose.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 16, 2006, 06:08:06 PM
I'm guessing MBBC isn't driving up from Watertown tonight to the cornfields?  :D

According to the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel:

Lake Michigan Conference officials, worried about road conditions in the wake of the storm that hit the state Wednesday night and Thursday, have rescheduled the league's tournament quarterfinals.

Top-seeded Lakeland hosts eighth-seeded Maranatha Baptist at 2 p.m. Saturday, and the three other quarterfinal games have been set for Sunday.

Those games are: No. 7 Marian at No. 2 Milwaukee School of Engineering, 2 p.m.; No. 5 Dominican at No. 4 Edgewood, 4 p.m.; and No. 6 Concordia at No. 3 Wisconsin Lutheran, 4:30 p.m.

The times and dates of the semifinals and final are to be determined.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 16, 2006, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: crowdpleaser on February 16, 2006, 11:43:10 AMEven if they win out the rest of the year that puts them at 18-10.  Not a good enough record.

The top two seeds in the NIIC tourney get first-round byes in the six-team tourney, so Clarke's best possible overall record would be 17-10, not 18-10. But that actually doesn't make any difference. Clarke's relevant record is actually their 12-7 regional mark, not their 14-10 overall mark. Thus, if they win out, the record that the selection committee would look at would be 15-7, not 17-10.

The two criteria out of the five that the committee seems to focus upon the most, and the two that are consistently being updated both by Pat Coleman and by the people in the Bumblin' B's room, are regional W-L percentage and QOWI (Quality of Wins Index, which is basically a team's strength of schedule in regional games). This is how the primary contenders for the D3 tourney's four Pool B bids look thus far in those two categories:

REGIONAL W-L PCT.
1. Bethany 17-4 (.810)
2. Villa Julie 15-4 (.789)
3. Lincoln 12-4 (.750)
4. Keuka 11-4 (.733)
5. Maryville (TN) 14-6 (.700)
t6. Fisk 9-4 (.692)
t6. St. Joseph (ME) 9-4 (.692)
8. Chapman 8-4 (.667)
9. Clarke 12-7 (.632)
10. Huntingdon 10-6 (.625)
11. Rust 8-5 (.615)
12. Aurora 11-7 (.611)

QOWI
1. Lincoln 10.563
2. Fisk 9.769
3. Bethany 9.333
4. Maryville (TN) 9.600
5. Villa Julie 8.684
6. Clarke 8.579
7. Aurora 8.444
8. Huntingdon 8.375
9. Chapman 8.250
10. St. Joseph (ME) 8.154
11. Rust 7.920
12. Keuka 7.800

(A few of the QOWI numbers might be off slightly, since I haven't recalibrated to take into consideration opponents who may have climbed or dropped a level through this week's games.)

Even more important than these two categories are the regional rankings. They're official releases by the D3 selection committee that come out every Wednesday in February, and show the current thinking of the regional selection committees (whose chairs make up the national selection committee that'll put the tournament bracket together on Selection Monday) with regard to how the top teams compare in each of the eight regions of D3. Three potential Pool B teams were ranked in yesterday's rankings: Lincoln (#3, Middle Atlantic Region), Fisk (tied #7, South Region), and Maryville of Tennessee (tied #7, South Region). These rankings are very important, because they demonstrate that these three teams are currently the front-runners for three of the four Pool B slots.

When you put all of the data together, it becomes clear just how much of a longshot Clarke (and Aurora, even more so) really is.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 08:50:44 PM
Hmm, I read that in the Daily Dose ...
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=129#comments

   1.   Pat Coleman Says:
      February 16th, 2006 at 3:48 pm

      FYI:

      Weather moves Lakeland basketball game to Saturday

      Due to Thursday's wintry weather conditions, the Lakeland College men's basketball game scheduled for Thursday night at 7 p.m. has been postponed.

      Top-seeded Lakeland will host eighth-seeded Maranatha Baptist in the Lake Michigan Conference Tournament quarterfinals on Saturday at 2 p.m. in the Woltzen Gymnasium.

      The other three tournament quarterfinal games scheduled for Thursday night will be played on Sunday: seventh-seeded Marian plays at second-seeded MSOE at 2 p.m., fifth-seeded Dominican plays at fourth-seeded Edgewood at 4 p.m. and sixth-seeded Concordia plays at third-seeded Wisconsin Lutheran at 4:30 p.m.

      The conference will announce a new schedule for the men's basketball tournament semifinals and championship on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 16, 2006, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 08:50:44 PM
Hmm, I read that in the Daily Dose ...
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=129#comments

   1.   Pat Coleman Says:
      February 16th, 2006 at 3:48 pm

      FYI:

      Weather moves Lakeland basketball game to Saturday

      Due to Thursday's wintry weather conditions, the Lakeland College men's basketball game scheduled for Thursday night at 7 p.m. has been postponed.

      Top-seeded Lakeland will host eighth-seeded Maranatha Baptist in the Lake Michigan Conference Tournament quarterfinals on Saturday at 2 p.m. in the Woltzen Gymnasium.

      The other three tournament quarterfinal games scheduled for Thursday night will be played on Sunday: seventh-seeded Marian plays at second-seeded MSOE at 2 p.m., fifth-seeded Dominican plays at fourth-seeded Edgewood at 4 p.m. and sixth-seeded Concordia plays at third-seeded Wisconsin Lutheran at 4:30 p.m.

      The conference will announce a new schedule for the men's basketball tournament semifinals and championship on Monday.


Which is actually the release written up by the fine people in the SID office at LC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 16, 2006, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 08:50:44 PM
Hmm, I read that in the Daily Dose ...
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=129#comments

Pat,

This may surprise you, but I do read other publications aside from d3hoops! Sorry.  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 10:33:55 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 16, 2006, 10:00:24 PM
Which is actually the release written up by the fine people in the SID office at LC.

Right. They released it. We posted it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 16, 2006, 11:01:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2006, 10:33:55 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 16, 2006, 10:00:24 PM
Which is actually the release written up by the fine people in the SID office at LC.

Right. They released it. We posted it.

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on February 17, 2006, 03:23:32 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 16, 2006, 01:06:03 PM
Thank you to all of you for giving Clarke a little respect, that's all we wanted.  We would never call out Dubuque schools or CCIW schools unless there was a reason, like the person who posted Clarke should play a local elementary school if they want a win in their home town.  or the guy who said that clarke would lose 4 out of 5 at best with the top teams in the CCIW.

The players are focused.  They know that if they were to even have any sniff, they would have to run the table and it would still be an outside chance.  They are not talking about how hot we are because they just know.

Welton's T I thought was pretty weak.  One of the officials walked out on the floor with a plan to keep the game under control.  I'm unaware if something was said, but in the first minute of the game, a fan was thrown out of the game.  Then, all of a sudden, like 5 minutes later Welton got fouled and was on the ground, and the next thing I see is the ref calling a Tech on him.  It is a refs job to keep control of the contest, and they called a nice game, but I thought he was a little T happy

I predict Clarke plays Aurora in the conference title game and AU wins at Clarke.  Sorry Crusader.  Oh by the way, Wisconsin will not win the Big Ten.  They will finish 3rd or 4th at best.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2006, 06:49:11 AM
I would think the easiest way to run the tourney this year with the weather delays would be Saturday/Sunday, Wednesday and Saturday final.  I didn't care for the quarterfinals to be played on a Wednesday, the semis on a Saturday and then waiting a full week to play the final on the following Saturday.  Possibly a Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday schedule in the future.  I realize the conference schedule wrapped up last weekend, but I'd rather have a week off to prepare for the conference tourney than to start up right away and then have a week off between the semis and final.  Maybe having a whole week off between those games explains why the LMC has had so many upsets in the conference tourney final (losing their "groove" with a week layoff).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 17, 2006, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: Old School on February 17, 2006, 06:49:11 AM
I would think the easiest way to run the tourney this year with the weather delays would be Saturday/Sunday, Wednesday and Saturday final.  I didn't care for the quarterfinals to be played on a Wednesday, the semis on a Saturday and then waiting a full week to play the final on the following Saturday.  Possibly a Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday schedule in the future.  I realize the conference schedule wrapped up last weekend, but I'd rather have a week off to prepare for the conference tourney than to start up right away and then have a week off between the semis and final.  Maybe having a whole week off between those games explains why the LMC has had so many upsets in the conference tourney final (losing their "groove" with a week layoff).

I'm right there with you on this one. I'd like to see the tournament knocked out in a weekend, but we know that the championship game will never get played on a Sunday because of the Baptists even though the chances of them making it any year are slim.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 17, 2006, 10:30:47 AM
The Way I See It,

The reason there are no games during the week this upcoming week is due somewhat because of MSOE's finals week. They are on a tri-mester setup and it so happens that finals are this week. They will not play a game during the week because of this.

But i too agree with the format. I do not at all like the timing of starting the LMC tournament 2 and a half weeks before the actual NCAA tournament. For starters, this is the 3rd go around at each team. There is no need to prepare more than you have all season in that week between games. Just get the games over with. It actually benefits a lower seeded team and maybe that is why the LMC is not always represented by its best team.  Once you get to the NCAA's you need to be able to win 2 games in 2 or 3 days so why not the LMC tournament as well.

I will make the treck out tomorrow to the snowfields of Lakeland. I was hoping to have a better game to watch, but i guess this will do. I will just have to clear the schedule next weekend as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 17, 2006, 11:14:21 AM
It's a bad year to be good in the NIIC.  The NIIC championship game may be the last game any NIIC team plays. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 17, 2006, 02:03:55 PM
Bodhi5,

The NIIC Championship game WILL be the last NIIC game played.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 12:13:42 AM
I'm so glad you guys don't know anything.  This will give me more of an opportunity to talk more trash when Clarke gets selected.  Picture this...the NIIC is the only conference in the nation without an automatic bid.  Whose fault is that?  Dominican's...the NIIC will not be punished for Dominican leaving, especially in its final year...bottom line is, if Clarke wins out, we will make the tournament.  Keep making your predictions though(like aurora by 6, or aurora by whatever), it will give me greater pride when Clarke advances. Plus, think about the NCAA tourny, and how they reward teams for finishing the year strong.  This will be interesting to see, in the final year of the NIIC.  Any other believers out there?  And does my comment atleast make a little sense?

And cardinal pride, who do you think will win the big ten...Wisconsin has just a good a chance as the Iowa and Illinois
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2006, 01:05:23 AM
Holy smoke ... is there no end to your silliness?

Quote from: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 12:13:42 AM
I'm so glad you guys don't know anything.  This will give me more of an opportunity to talk more trash when Clarke gets selected.  Picture this...the NIIC is the only conference in the nation without an automatic bid.

BZZZT! Wrong! I can name three other conferences just off the top of my head that don't have automatic bids: The North East Athletic Conference, the Presidents Athletic Conference, and the Great South Athletic Conference.

Quote from: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 12:13:42 AMDominican's...the NIIC will not be punished for Dominican leaving, especially in its final year...bottom line is, if Clarke wins out, we will make the tournament.

BZZZT! Wrong! As I painstakingly pointed out above, it's not in Clarke's hands. Not only will Clarke have to win out, but some of the teams above them in the Pool B race (e.g., Lincoln, Maryville of Tennessee, Villa Julie, Fisk, Bethany) are going to have to falter.

Quote from: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 12:13:42 AMPlus, think about the NCAA tourny, and how they reward teams for finishing the year strong.

BZZZT! Wrong! (heh, this is fun :)) End-of-season performance is not one of the five primary criteria used by the NCAA D3 selection committee.

Quote from: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 12:13:42 AMAnd does my comment atleast make a little sense?

BZZZT! No!

Heh. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on February 18, 2006, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 12:13:42 AM
I'm so glad you guys don't know anything.  This will give me more of an opportunity to talk more trash when Clarke gets selected.  Picture this...the NIIC is the only conference in the nation without an automatic bid.  Whose fault is that?  Dominican's...the NIIC will not be punished for Dominican leaving, especially in its final year...bottom line is, if Clarke wins out, we will make the tournament.  Keep making your predictions though(like aurora by 6, or aurora by whatever), it will give me greater pride when Clarke advances. Plus, think about the NCAA tourny, and how they reward teams for finishing the year strong.  This will be interesting to see, in the final year of the NIIC.  Any other believers out there?  And does my comment atleast make a little sense?

And cardinal pride, who do you think will win the big ten...Wisconsin has just a good a chance as the Iowa and Illinois

Crusader, I believe Iowa will win the the big 10 regular season opening the door for Steve Alford to replace Mike Davis at IU.   Iowa, Ohio State, Illinois, Wisconsin in that order.  Illinois takes 3rd because they have the tie breaker over the badgers.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2006, 03:50:38 AM
Look for Lakeland to spank MBBC by at least 20.
Marian will give MSOE fits, but the Engineers will put out a single-digit victory.
WLC should top Concordia in a game I could care less about.
Dominican will be able to end the season knowing they were the only LMC team to receive votes on d3hoops.com's poll after Edgewood takes care of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 04:17:21 AM
and everyone said i was silly for thinking clarke would beat aurora...a 27 point victory later i'm right...but i forgot who is talking, the all mighty d3 hoops post boarder greg sager's, the man who(i applaude your confidence) knows everything...forget about your 5 criteria, it is still a decision(obviously backed up by numbers), but it is a decision.  i think clarke has a way better chance than you are giving them.  by the way, not how, but why do you know every stat of division 3 basketball like its your job?  is it really that important to you?

no end to the sillyness?  well, clarke has backed up everything i've talked trash about so far, so until they don't, you really have no room to call me out.  i was obviously trying to create a little hype before the last few games of the season, and you have turned fun hype into equations, and in depth statistics that i could care less about(congrats for having the hobby) 

the only reason i started talking is because the rockford sid(who should be working on redoing the worst website i've ever seen, not writing posts)  was talking trash about how good rockford was...which they are not...rather than getting a reply from him, i have gotten countless stats and posts saying how bad clarke is...we're a lot better than people give us credit for, and we are playing good basketball right now...
can you atleast say one good thing about clarke sager?  just say clarke is hot right now, teams get on runs, and clarke is on one...there is no stat for that, besides the margin of victory they have had the last 3 games.

BZZZT...I'm glad you feel better about yourself for analyzing, in depth, everything i've ever said...  you're probably one of those guys who sits and watches a game and everything you see is just the worst play ever, because you feel you could do it better

cardinal pride, i think iowa is guna have it tough with road games at a tough minnesota team, illinois, and a home game against the badgers...but think what you want...wisconsin will prove just like the crusaders did.....and hey, a shout out to you and me with the negative karma..did you think comments about d3 basketball would actually bother people this much?  i mean, this sager guy sounds like he's actually losing sleep over my "ridiculous comments"
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2006, 09:31:19 AM
Losing sleep? Heck, I'm getting a big chuckle out of you, Crusaders. Hence, the smileys.

You not only don't get it, you don't seem to want to get it. It's as though you've got your fingers stuck in your ears and you're going "la la la!" at the top of your lungs so that you can't hear what people are telling you. On one level, your enthusiasm is great, and I applaud it. More D3 teams should have fans who get as hyped up about their teams as do you. That's what it's all about. But you just don't seem interested at all in finding out how the Division Three national tournament works, and when it's pointed out to you how at-large teams are selected from among independents and non-qualifying conferences (Pool B) you dismiss it as "equations and in-depth statistics".

You just don't get it, dude, do you? Those "equations and in-depth statistics" are not irrelevant. They are how the at-large teams are selected. The D3 tourney is not like the D1 tourney. There are a lot less "opinions" (i.e., subjective decisions made by the selection committee) that go into the process than you think. The D3 handbook requires the selection committee to use those five primary criteria to make their selections for the 4 Pool B and 18 Pool C berths to the tourney. The only leeway the committee has is in how they weigh those five criteria against each other.

Do yourself a favor and learn about the selection process before you go spouting off about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 18, 2006, 09:56:45 AM
Quote from: Old School on February 18, 2006, 03:50:38 AM
WLC should top Concordia in a game I could care less about.

I think the winner of that game has the best shot of reaching the final.

All other games, I'd like to see Edgewood fall, MSOE fall, and Concordia fall. Realistically the only one that will out of those three is Concordia, which won't even be an upset since WLC is the higher seed, sadly.

The postponement has only delayed the inevitable for MBBC in what should be the only blowout game of the weekend.

Looking forward to seeing Edgewood make the trip to The Aquarium for the semifinals.

Old School, hopefully the refs won't gift-wrap an Eagle victory against Lakeland like they did your Pointers.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on February 18, 2006, 11:52:23 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 04:17:21 AM

cardinal pride, i think iowa is guna have it tough with road games at a tough minnesota team, illinois, and a home game against the badgers...but think what you want...wisconsin will prove just like the crusaders did.....and hey, a shout out to you and me with the negative karma..did you think comments about d3 basketball would actually bother people this much?  i mean, this sager guy sounds like he's actually losing sleep over my "ridiculous comments"
Crusader, I don't want to turn this into a big ten chat board, but the only game I see Iowa losing is the Illinois game.  I see the Illinis, Badgers, and the Buckeyes losing at least one more game and they're already a game behind the Hawkeyes in the loss column.  Don't worry about the negative Karma it just means you're getting someone's attention.  I started to get mine when I predicted NCC would upset IWU at the shirk center when IWU was undefeated and #1 in the country.  IWU backers didn't like that.  Once the prediction came true they hated it!  So keep stating your opinions because that's what this site is for.  However, you should lay off Greg Sager.  He is quite knowledgable on D3 BB.  He's been following it for about 25years.  If I had to guess, probably longer than you've been alive.  I don't believe his intention is to put down Clarke BB.  I believe he is trying to educate you on the process of selecting a d 3 tournament field and limit you from making a fool of yourself.  It's all good. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 18, 2006, 12:42:00 PM
Crusader--I agree you need to learn about the D3 Tourney.  Clarke will not get in. 

This year the overall records of teams (D3) they beat was 114-164, which consists of not a lot of quality wins.  But the overall record of teams they lost to was 103-64, which means they lost to the better quality teams. 

Also, are you saying that if either Clarke, Rockford, or Aurora win out they will make the tourney?  That would mean they were getting HOT at the right time.  They all have the same record..... What is your opinion, or is Clarke the only one with a chance????

I don't know if you remember or were even aware of D3 basketball, but Rockford (18-7) and Aurora (17-8, I believe) were left out in 2001-2002 as a Pool B. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 01:39:57 PM
Sager- First, thank you for finally understanding the enthusiasm and pride we have in our crusaders...which is really the only reasoning for any of our arguements...i guess you finally busted us...clarke would the the longest shot in the history, but theres still a 1% chance they could get in. There is always a chance.    I understand how the tourny is selected, and that..what is there, like 4 at large selections...for proof that I understand it, I have witnessed a lot of extremely solid WIAC(back when the WIAC was the top league in the country) teams get left out while growing up.  I didn't know why, so I researched it.  It's too bad more teams couldn't make the tourny, but correct me if i'm wrong, i don't think, economically, the d3 could have a larger tournament.  but, as the fan that i am, you just have to believe your team has a chance until the last second.  the reason i love d3 basketball is because it gives you a chance to get a little closer to the action, know the players, and lets you take a litte more pride in your cheering efforts(because sometimes it is the job of just 10 people to support the team and back them)

Diego, the only team that I think would possibly get in is Clarke, because 1)i'm all for clarke  2) to get hot at the end of the season is to go on a run, like clarke would have won 8 in a row, but not only 8 in a row(against ncaa teams), the final victories have been impressive...I have been quoted saying, since before the benedictine game, that the only chance at all clarke would have of making the tourny would be if they were to win out AND win every game by more than 20 points, that is the only chance (1 %) thye would have.  That and a little help from a few teams above them.

any predictions on the clarke rockford game?  86-74 here, a lot of emotion was lost in the aurora game, but they should have enough gas left to get the job done.
predictions on aurora benedictine???  i say harrison goes off for 32 points...ben by 2 in OT   67-65
 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 18, 2006, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: crusaders on February 18, 2006, 01:39:57 PM
what is there, like 4 at large selections...

Actually, there are 18 at-large bids this season... but the point that GS and others are trying to make is that for Clarke to get in, they need to be compared to other teams across the country in areas such as regional record, Quality Of Win Index (QOWI), regional rankings, etc.

There are 59 bids to the NCAA tournament this year.  Like I said, 18 of these are at-large bids.  The way that the at-large bids are selected is that the top ranked teams (from the NCAA's regional rankings, two of which have already been put out, see the blog on the front page) from each region will be compared to each other.  Clarke was not ranked in the Midwest... so in order for them even to have a shot, they'd have to somehow be "on the radar" of the NCAA committee, and they're not.  Even if they were, they've got 7 in-region losses.  I can think of 30 schools off-hand that have fewer, or the same amount of in-region losses... In the QOWI, Clarke is not even in the top 120 in the country.

From your point of view, Clarke has played pretty well, especially against their conference opponents.  But this is still a team that has won just 4 more games than it has lost.  In picking the squads that play in the NCAA tournament, whether right or wrong, the NCAA has a formula, and if teams stack up well, then they get a bid.  The WIAC teams you mentioned earlier are a prime example of teams that DESERVED (from a subjective point of view) to be in the tournament.  But these teams didn't stack up well against other teams across the country... and that's why they didn't get a bid.  The same holds true for Clarke, and while I, as well, applaud your enthusiasm, sheer desire from a subjective point of view is not enough for a bid to the Dance.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2006, 02:08:29 PM
Clarke's QOWI: 8.684. They actually are in the Top 120, at 117.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 18, 2006, 02:12:23 PM
Perhaps I need my eyes checked... Thanks for making me look dumb (eh, not dumb, just blind!  ;D)   I swear I looked at the QOWI board 3 times and didn't see them...

Even so... like I said before, there are only 59 bids, so a QOWI (if that was the only criteria) of 117 doesn't come close to being high enough, even with 59 at-larges... and that's not saying anything about the regional records, or rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2006, 02:12:54 PM
I have never had a problem understanding your enthusiasm and pride, Crusaders. I have that same enthusiasm and pride for my own alma mater's team, although the pride is somewhat dented by the fact that my alma mater's team isn't very good this year. What I have had a problem with is your stubborn refusal to acknowledge how the tourney selection process works, and that Clarke was at best a longshot to get in. You seem to be coming around now on both of those points, so I don't really have an issue with you anymore.

(The only issues with which you still don't seem to be up to speed are end-of-season performance and point differential. As I said in my last post, end-of-season performance is not a criterion used by the selection committee. A team with an 18-4 regional record that lost its last four games gets treated just the same as a team that started out 0-4 in region and then ran off 18 straight wins. Also, you've brought up the magical number of winning by 20 points in two different posts now. Margin of victory and/or point differential doesn't matter to the committee, either. You can win all of your games by twenty points, or all of them by one point, and it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference on Selection Monday.)

There will be 59 teams in this year's D3 men's tourney: 37 teams from Pool A (automatic qualifiers from conferences that qualify for such bids), 4 from Pool B (at-large teams from the ranks of independents and conferences that don't qualify for automatic bids, a la the NIIC), and 18 from Pool C (general at-large bids for teams that didn't get either a Pool A or Pool B bid).

The reason why D3 doesn't have a larger tournament is because all D3 sports, men and women, have national tournaments whose number of berths are determined by the number of participating schools, to a 6:1 ratio. In other words, for every six schools that have D3 men's basketball teams, there's supposedly one tournament spot. The D3 women's tournament has 63 teams this year, as opposed to the men's 59, because more schools have women's teams than men's teams (there are a number of women-only schools in D3). Money is a big factor as well (the D3 tournament is not a money-maker, and the D1 tourney basically funds ours), which is reflected in the way that the tourney bracket is set up with cutting costs as much in mind as is proper seeding by team strength. But the 6:1 formula explains why the tournament is the size that it is.

I'm rooting for Clarke to pull off the improbable and make it to the tourney. It would be good for the region to have one more team in it. And if they can't do it, I hope that Aurora (which is an even bigger longshot now than Clarke) makes it. But based upon the evidence at hand, I really don't see it happening for either NIIC team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
6.5:1 actually, but yeah.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 18, 2006, 05:23:43 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 17, 2006, 06:49:11 AM
I would think the easiest way to run the tourney this year with the weather delays would be Saturday/Sunday, Wednesday and Saturday final.  I didn't care for the quarterfinals to be played on a Wednesday, the semis on a Saturday and then waiting a full week to play the final on the following Saturday.  Possibly a Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday schedule in the future.  I realize the conference schedule wrapped up last weekend, but I'd rather have a week off to prepare for the conference tourney than to start up right away and then have a week off between the semis and final.  Maybe having a whole week off between those games explains why the LMC has had so many upsets in the conference tourney final (losing their "groove" with a week layoff).

MSOE may protest that schdule as they are in the middle of exams this week and probably do not wasnt to play on Wednesday (trimesters)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 19, 2006, 01:23:33 AM
Nothin more amazing than seeing clarke cut down the nets tonight!  a great season, and they deserved it.  Very special to see coach davison cut down the net, then hang from the rim, and fall down...great to see him finally bring a championship to clarke.

proud of all the guys, the parents, the coaching staff, the players, and the fans...a great season, even if clarke doesn't get selected, this season was something special.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2006, 01:32:04 AM
Crusader, have you heard about any plans for Clarke to join another conference next year?

I understand that Clarke did not elect to enter the talks with the LMC schools.

I also know that the IIAC requires participation in all sports including football and wrestling.

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 19, 2006, 01:37:02 AM
clarke will be independent next year...there was a some talks of joining the LMC, and then talks of joining whatever conference grinnel and knox, and beliot college are in, and schools like that...but next year, independent....then the year after i think they are planning on joining the grinnell conference
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 19, 2006, 02:01:25 AM
Crusader--Do you understand that Clarke did not officially win the conference?  The NIIC has a point system in which the conference winner is decided by a combination of the regular season and the conference tournament.   Just thought I would let you know.  I think it is weird too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2006, 02:02:51 AM
Crusaders, that is interesting that you mention the Midwest (Grinnell) Conference.  Clarke would also be the only non-football school in the Midwest.

Is there any talk of adding football at Clarke?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2006, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 19, 2006, 01:37:02 AM
clarke will be independent next year...there was a some talks of joining the LMC, and then talks of joining whatever conference grinnel and knox, and beliot college are in, and schools like that...but next year, independent....then the year after i think they are planning on joining the grinnell conference

Clarke may be "planning on joining" the Midwest Conference, but it's not up to Clarke. It's up to the current members of the Midwest Conference whether or not to accept their application.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 19, 2006, 01:09:15 PM
Crusader--Do you understand that Clarke did not officially win the conference?  The NIIC has a point system in which the conference winner is decided by a combination of the regular season and the conference tournament.   

Just thought I would let you know. 

I think it is weird too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 19, 2006, 01:23:03 PM
I finally directed myself to the Bumblin B's room, at to my delight I saw Ralph mentioning Clarke.  Lets hope the right things happen to move them in.  

And I didn't say it was up to them, I said they are planning on joining it, which is what they are doing.  It seems like a good conference, lets hope they accept our application.  

The football thing has always been an issue at Clarke, and with all of the nuns and woman presidents, including the new president, who is coming from an all girls school that had like 4 sports, I don't see Clarke looking at football anytime in the next 5 years.  The only reason I say 5 is because Clarke has a valuable asset in their athletic director.  He has done a lot for the school, and he will fight for what he feels would improve the athletics at clarke.

i didn't know about the point system, but they won the regular season...i really dont think they will have reason to worry about points because i know they'll win out.

anyone think the crusaders will be stopped in the tourny?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 19, 2006, 01:57:26 PM
Crusader--I know you don't think they will be stopped but what if they are.  The ceremony and t-shirts would have been a waste.  The NIIC Conference Champion is declared on next Saturday.  Clarke has not won the NIIC yet, so a little premature celebration.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 19, 2006, 02:13:32 PM
diego, what are the stipulations of the point system?  i think that is weird too.  if you saw the ceremony and the tshirts, that means you were at the game.  where are you from?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 19, 2006, 05:03:39 PM
Marian 66 MSOE 63
MSOE trailed for most of the second half by around 5. They trailed by 1 at half. They were down 7 with a minute to go, before they were able to cut it to two with 16 seconds left. Jake Harmsen stepped up and hit two big free throws for Marian to put them up four. Mikos went coast to coast and drew a foul. He hit 1 of 2. Mikos then stole the inbound and had his layup bounce out when he was fouled. Mikos hit them both cutting it to a one point game. Jake Harmsen hit two more big free throws for Marian before Mikos air balled a three at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 19, 2006, 06:26:17 PM
I'm just a basketball fan and I thought I'd catch a game.  I rarely make it all the way to Dubuque but I decided to check it out.  Glad I decided not to go to the North Central vs Augie game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 19, 2006, 06:26:41 PM
Good report! Put the Player of the Year talk to rest - it's James from Lakeland all the way now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 19, 2006, 06:42:03 PM
Edgewood    72
Dominican     58

Dominican led by 3 at halftime and then couldn't hit the side of a barn in the second half. Ciche with 24 points 11 boards, Cooper was something like 12 for 12 from the free throw line and only made one field goal. Weird game from what I heard on the webcast.

WLC     84
CUW    77

WLC comes back to beat CUW. Apparently Matt Peets punched a fan with under a minute left to play during a timeout, but was allowed to stay in the game but was pulled from the game shortly after. Wish I could've seen that. What a class act.


Lakeland vs. Edgewood
Marian vs. WLC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 19, 2006, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 19, 2006, 06:42:03 PM

WLC 84
CUW 77

WLC comes back to beat CUW. Apparently Matt Peets punched a fan with under a minute left to play during a timeout, but was allowed to stay in the game but was pulled from the game shortly after. Wish I could've seen that. What a class act.

The 6th Man was in full effect for that game.  WOW, we told Concordia very loudly we had a sweeeeeping good time.  For you slow learners out there we are (3-0) against them.  The brooms we all brought boldly displayed that fact.  And yes Peets you are a clASS act.  Poor Mike the flag waver minding his own business and Peets snapped like a twig ran over and pushed him.  The refs were dumbfounded and let things go, BRAVO, a fine example of how well of a job they did.  I would also like to commend Billy B. for taking the heat so well and also laughing about it.  We know you aren't gay, but we couldnt pass up the chant "Brokeback Billy".
Looking forward to thursday...
BUSTY

PS-A shout out to Danny "He's a Freshman" Behm MVP of the game
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2006, 02:44:16 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 19, 2006, 01:23:03 PMThe football thing has always been an issue at Clarke, and with all of the nuns and woman presidents, including the new president, who is coming from an all girls school that had like 4 sports, I don't see Clarke looking at football anytime in the next 5 years.

They may want to reconsider adding a football team, and not just to make themselves a more attractive candidate for the MWC or the IIAC. Football teams bring males onto college campuses in large numbers, because it's an all-male sport that requires a lot of bodies in uniform. Right now higher education is trending towards an ever-more disproportionate number of females to males in America's student bodies, particularly on small college campuses. I noticed in the NCAA's report from 2002 that Clarke had a 46:54 ratio of men to women, and from reading a back issue of the Clarke student newspaper I found out that the incoming freshman class that year -- in other words, this May's graduating class -- was 71 percent female.

As I said, that's not unusual. But other small colleges have added football programs in recent years as a specific move to redress that imbalance. I'm pretty sure that that was part of the rationale for Wisconsin Lutheran and Rockford adding football programs in recent years, for example.

Football programs are expensive to run. But they do bring in a lot of tuition money -- and they're a surefire way to increase the proportion of men enrolled at a school with a small student population like Clarke.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2006, 05:30:30 AM
Well stated, Gregory! :)

I think that Clarke has much more value to joining any conference if they have football (and must have wrestling).  The IIAC "needs" a 10th team since the departure of Upper Iowa. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 20, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
Not suprised by any of the teams that advanced this weekend - WLC, Lakeland, Edgewood, Marian.  I didn't attend the Marian/MSOE game, but again, i am not suprised about the loss for MSOE.  I was looking at the boxscore and trying to figure out what the hell happened..... Should there be any finger pointing? players/coaches? I mean this team was 16-5. Finishing the year losing 4 of 5.  I will pick WLC over Marian and Lakeland over Edgewood.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 20, 2006, 01:18:12 PM
Sager- I couldn't agree with you more...I wish you were Clarke's new president.  I just seems to simple, just by adding football you are going to add a ton of tuition players.  Just the thought of a chance to play collegiate football is very attractive to highschool seniors deciding where to attend college. 

Clarke used to be an all girls school, which is why I think the college would have a problem with adding football.  That's why clarkes basketball success this year has been so big for the school.  The male teams here always get picked on.  For example, last year, I can recall a few big wins by the Men's basketball team, big wins...and i remember the mens golf team winning the conference championship, and there was some tennis success.  I will also recall 3(and 3 only) messages on my campus mail from the president.  2 were stating how we need to congratulate the theatre and arts department for their "wonderful" performance, and 1 complimenting this tremendous victory for the clarke and its athletics program, a 4 point victory for the girls basketball team over central college, and continued to go on and on about how we need to support them and congratulate them and bla bla bla(clarke went on to finish the year 7-19)  the guys team had the best record in the history of the school and didn't get a mention.  So all in all, Sager, if I could or knew how to karma you for that one, I would, and I would love to take your comments to someone higher up here at clarke(not that they would ever listen).

Diego, any information on the stipulations of that point system you were speaking of?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on February 20, 2006, 01:51:44 PM
This weekend's games:

WOW, MSOE and their 2 POY canidates falter in a QUARTERFINAL game.  Best of luck next year in whatever league your trying to get into.  A fond farewell to Mikos and By EEE ah.  Floyd, it was fun while it lasted.  Mikos, best of luck.

The 6th man's "Brokeback Billy" chant won that game.  You can tell when the fans get under a players skin when Peete boy takes a swing at a fan with a flag.  Next time, try a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.  Those seemed to work for him. 

Props to the 6th man.  I will retract what I said about you earlier.  After a slow start to the year, you have once again come on strong at the end of the season to help the Warriors make a tourney run.  BTW, I am still waiting for my t-shirt!

PEACE

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 20, 2006, 02:33:14 PM
Man what is wrong with people these days.  Peetes didnt even need a beer dumped on him like Ron Ron did.

Let me guess. The fan doesnt want money and will drop all charges if he gets a public apology and a donation in his name to the battered woman and childrens fund.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 20, 2006, 02:52:30 PM
Points are awarded by the way the regular season finished

1st-Clarke 12 points
2nd-Aurora 10 points
3rd-Rockford 8 points
4th-Concordia 6 points
and so on.

Conference tournament goes as followed:
1st round is worth 3.5 points
Semi-final round is worth 3 points
Finals is worth 3 points

I believe that is how the conference tourney works, I will double check though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on February 20, 2006, 05:14:40 PM
I'll donate $10 bucks if we can get Peetie to come on the message board and publicly appologize. 

Now, there would need to be some kind of assurances that it was in fact him, but I'm game. 

Anyone else in???  It would be fun and its for a good charity?!?!?!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 20, 2006, 06:02:15 PM
Quote from: showtimeSmyHero on February 20, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
Not suprised by any of the teams that advanced this weekend - WLC, Lakeland, Edgewood, Marian.  I didn't attend the Marian/MSOE game, but again, i am not suprised about the loss for MSOE.  I was looking at the boxscore and trying to figure out what the hell happened..... Should there be any finger pointing? players/coaches? I mean this team was 16-5. Finishing the year losing 4 of 5.  I will pick WLC over Marian and Lakeland over Edgewood.
I dont think there is anyone to blame. I question some of Coach Miller's substitutions, but they just got beat. I think the timing of exams may have had some factor in lack of focus, but again they got outplayed. In the first half MSOE got leads of 7 or 6 and it looked like they were going to pull away but Marian would come back with a run of its own. MSOE went cold for about five minutes before putting in a couple of baskets to close out the half. Scott Murphy got into foul trouble and Marian did a good job of coming down for the double team. Second half, MSOE pretty much trailed the whole way. They never went on a run. Marian always had an answer. Then with about two and a half minutes to go, MSOE started panicing. Floyd started tring to dribble through 5 guys. Murphy had a couple of turnovers before he fouled out. And Marian was able to extend their lead to seven with about a minute to go. Thanks to some missed free throws and some big shots from Floyd and Verdun, MSOE made it interesting, but things just did not go there way.

Ill take the favorites from here on out, though I think neither semifinal game is a lock.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 20, 2006, 07:36:09 PM
any word on that point system, i don't even know where to begin to look.  just checked out the bumblin b's, clarke was one of 6 teams listed as contenders for 4 spots.  looks to me as if clarke wins out and every team above them losses, it will still be a long shot...but there's always a chance...i think clarke is the only team with a shot from the niic
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 20, 2006, 08:17:15 PM
I found on the NIIC Standings page that you were right about the points, 12, 10, 8, and so on.  Then points are determined by place in the conference tourny aparently, with the points being 6, 5, 4, 3 and so on for the place.  With that in mind, if Clarke wins on Wednesday, then they will win no matter what, because that would assure them atleast second in the conf tourny, because aurora would only be able to make up 1 point, and we are already up 2 points on them.

This is a very weird system, I wonder what place the teams that lose in the second round get, because either one of them could be the 3rd place team.

With that in mind, the conference championship will be decided Wednesday night!  not that i don't feel clarke will take care of business anyway, just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 21, 2006, 12:17:42 AM
concordia 73-60 over ben
rockford 94-76 over eureka.....there was an impressive 60 points scored in the second half by rockford

aurora needs to watch out for rockford, one thing aurora doesn't have is dunkel's mom...i've never heard a parent, mother of all, talk more trash at a game...lets hope when i'm a parent someday I don't embarrass my son/daughter like she did saturday night. 

maurice smith is the dwayne wade of the conference, how silky smooth is that guy??  i see tonight he put up 28 and 12...pretty impressive night.

any predictions on conference MVP out there?  Is Clarke winning conference enough to get it to a clarke player, or has Welton already run away with it?

my all conf. 1st team consists of
bynum
harrison
smith
welton
cirks

any other suggestions out there?????
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 21, 2006, 09:35:19 AM
All-conference in the NIIC usually consists of 10 players.  There is no second team.  They also have honorable mention for those who do not get enough votes for all-conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 21, 2006, 12:27:21 PM
Pat or anybody else who knows for sure,

When is the tournament selection happening?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: slydawg on February 21, 2006, 06:01:25 PM
You talk about peets throwing a punch, but there was no punch thrown.  The fan hit him in the head with the flag pole.  Which protecting himself pushed him away, and he fell down.  Why was the fan on the court anyways he has no reason to be on the court.  Or by our bench for that matter.  I was told Coach Noon apologized for the fans behavior and was embarrased by WLC's behavior towards peets and coach r. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 21, 2006, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 21, 2006, 12:27:21 PM
Pat or anybody else who knows for sure,

When is the tournament selection happening?

Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 21, 2006, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: slydawg on February 21, 2006, 06:01:25 PM
You talk about peets throwing a punch, but there was no punch thrown.  The fan hit him in the head with the flag pole.  Which protecting himself pushed him away, and he fell down.  Why was the fan on the court anyways he has no reason to be on the court.  Or by our bench for that matter.  I was told Coach Noon apologized for the fans behavior and was embarrased by WLC's behavior towards peets and coach r. 

Tell me why your own radio announcer said on the air that he punched a fan then. Oh, and I believe Warrior_Fish was at the game, and I'm pretty sure Busty was too.


Quote from: Old School on February 21, 2006, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 21, 2006, 12:27:21 PM
Pat or anybody else who knows for sure,

When is the tournament selection happening?

Monday.

Thanks. That's what I thought, just making sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on February 22, 2006, 12:46:17 AM
Concordia handed it to Ben last night, we swept them for the season, 3-0, great game to watch.  We were really on Harrison the whole night, since he flipped us off the last time he was here.  I think we really got to them since they had 3 technicals during the game.

Sure, Clarke may be the better team, and we may not make it past them tomorrow night, but wow, winning 11 games this year over only 4 games last year is a huge improvement, and should be commended, and hopefully they can bring this momentum into next year. 

But, you never know what can happen.  Clarke could have an off night and CURF could come out on top, anything can happen. (Ben beat Aurora, and we beat Ben 3 times in a row) I am just saying, even though CURF has only won 11 games, thats almost 3 times as much as last year, so hopefully they will put together an even more competative team next season and compete for the NIIC title.

The NIIC's conference winner doesn't get an automatic bid??  Is that because of Dominican??
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 01:08:57 AM
baseman201...glad to see another niic basketball fan on here, it just gives me the opportunity to talk a little trash....clarke has beaten concordia by an average of 19 points per game this year, but good luck.  lafayette played a hell of a game up here in dubuque, and you are right, you guys have made a huge improvement this year...but you really have no chance.  clarkes got too many guns this year, the chances of 6 guys all being off on the same night just doesn't make sense.

if you're a member of the crowd, great job getting under harrison's skin, he's a good ball player but come on, he wouldn't even shake hands with clarkes team after the game, he's a head case, which is ashame. 

just so you know, yes, dominican leaving drops us below the required number of teams to get an automatic bid, and this is the last year of the NIIC, I think every team except for Clarke is going to the LMC next year to form a super conference. 

If you think you're crowd is good, bring them up to clarke...our crowd is crazy, and this being the last game the students will attend due to spring break, we'll be ready...So please, bring your crowd of students to the game, it'll be fun for the players and fans to root back and forth...plus, it WILL BE the last chance that you'll get to see CURF play this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2006, 01:39:31 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 01:08:57 AMjust so you know, yes, dominican leaving drops us below the required number of teams to get an automatic bid, and this is the last year of the NIIC, I think every team except for Clarke is going to the LMC next year to form a super conference. 

No, Eureka is moving to the SLIAC. The new league, which is dubbed the Northern Athletic Conference, will consist of Alvernia (women only), Aurora, Benedictine, CURF, Concordia (WI), Dominican, Edgewood, Lakeland, Maranatha Baptist, Marian, Rockford, and Wisconsin Lutheran.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 01:47:25 AM
i just don't know what life would be like if i didn't have gregory sager to correct my every mistake
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2006, 01:56:20 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 01:47:25 AM
i just don't know what life would be like if i didn't have gregory sager to correct my every mistake

Don't take it so personally. I wasn't correcting your mistake as much as I was simply offering the full information about the new conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 03:45:35 AM
I understand that but understand that I get called out on every mistake I make by you.

And, rumor has it the Clarke celebration after the rockford game was totally honest.  Apparently the coach missed a conference meeting due to other athletic responsibilities during spring break, and was unaware of the point system implementation.  I think my math is correct, but if i'm wrong let me know...The winner of the conference would have to lose in the second round, and the second place team would have to win to make it a tie for the conference championship.  If the first place team advances to the conference championship in the tourny, then they automatically win.

Anyone find it funny that Clarke could lose to Aurora 2 out of 3 times this season and still be conference champs?(not that we would lose 2 out of 3, but just a thought)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 22, 2006, 09:57:17 AM
To my understanding, in order for Clarke to win conference they would either need Aurora to lose tonight or to win the whole thing. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: dueceme31 on February 22, 2006, 12:23:40 PM
If Clarke and Aurora both advance after tonights games, the winner of the game Saturday night would be the final NIIC champ.  Clarke is not automatically the champ by just getting to the title game.  With the point system, if Aurora was to somehow upset Clarke in the conference tournament, then Aurora and Clarke would have the same amount of points with the tie breaker being the team winning the tournament.  Good luck to both squads, Aurora has a nice test this evening with Rockford traveling to Aurora.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 12:45:07 PM
http://www.niiconline.com/men/basketball/standings.htm

NIIC champion determined by adding point value of regular season (12-10-8-6-4-2), with point value of tournament place (6-5-4-3-2-1)

1. CLARKE 9-1 15-10
12
2. AURORA 8-2 15-9
10
3t. ROCKFORD 5-5 15-11
7
3t. CONCORDIA 5-5 11-15
7
5. BENEDICTINE 3-7 10-15
4
6. EUREKA 0-10 4-22
2

Where are you guys getting your information from?  If you read off of this link, I would read it as it states.  I have tried to open my eyes and figure out any other possible way that others are reading it, but I can't.  If Clarke wins tonight that would assure them atleast second place in the tourny.  According to the NIIC Website(i wouldn't be surprised if it was wrong, that's why I'm asking if you guys know something that I don't), the second place finisher gets 5 points, and the first place finisher, in the tourny, gets 6 points.  I did take statistics last year, and using my knowledge, I have found that 12 + 5 is equal to 17, and that 10(aurora's current point value) + 6(what aurora would get if they won) is equal to 16.  Using my statistical knowledge, I can now derive that 17 is a greater number than 16, which means that if Clarke wins tonight, no one else can win the conference championship.  Also, I am confused by the website because the first round losers finished in a tie for 5th, so how many points do they get?  1.5? Because if that is the case, then tonights losers receive 3.5 points, which means that the only possible way for a champion to lose, in this system, is if they lose their first game of the tourny and the second place team wins.
Which, although this point system i think is ridiculous, is the only fair thing to do.  One week should not weigh near as much as an entire season.

Does anyone out there read the website the same way I am reading it?  Or are they aware of printed, published rules somewhere???
 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on February 22, 2006, 12:55:33 PM
Crusader-

Clarke is about 4 hours away from here.  A friday night game, we would probably make the trip, but a Wednesday night game......don't think we can pull that off, considering we would be back around 2 am.  But good luck to both teams, don't take us lightly, that's all I am saying.

Yeah, Harrison seems to be a real fireball, he had one of the technicals in the game (out of 3), and should have had another when he got into the face of our coach, pointed at him, and yelled something (don't know what though).

Yeah, Clarke has always been good, espcially last year when you had the Byrd brothers.  It was really fun to watch them play, especially since Joemi was a McDonalds All American Nominee coming out of high school.  

But let's be honest, Clarke would be 17-10 if they won the NIIC??  And let's say by some miracle they do make the NCAA tournament.  They would be slammed by at least 20+ in their first round game.  Clarke is good, but against other big time conferences?  I don't know about that.  And if they do make the tourney, they would probably be seeded last in the region, so they would have to play a powerhouse team.  But as I said before, anything is possible, this could be the year of the cinderela 17-10 team making it all the way, we just never know.  I would love to see Clarke make the tourney representing the NIIC, especially if they can pull out some miracles and make it in a couple rounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 22, 2006, 01:15:27 PM
Quote from: slydawg on February 21, 2006, 06:01:25 PM
You talk about peets throwing a punch, but there was no punch thrown. The fan hit him in the head with the flag pole. Which protecting himself pushed him away, and he fell down. Why was the fan on the court anyways he has no reason to be on the court. Or by our bench for that matter. I was told Coach Noon apologized for the fans behavior and was embarrased by WLC's behavior towards peets and coach r.

Well, slooooow down there little doggie.  No a true punch was thrown, but a running start, near tackle occured.  Poor guy wasnt even looking, he was just running in circles.  And by the way, there was confusion on the courts.  The refs signled a full timeout- so the dance team came out, for the school song, where a student has traditionally ran around with a flag.  However, unbeknownst to everyone but the players, Rass changed it to a 30 so the players all go called on the court half way through....bodies were everywhere.  The flag came off the pole and landed near Peets, got pissed and let it rip.  I would have too, being on the floor my senior year, losing after a 12 pt lead...sucking it up.  However, I would have waited till he was looking and expected the ref to T me up.  Nevertheless, the game is done and over with like Peets career.  No excuses for the hit, unecessary and uncalled for. 
Noon apologized?  Well, I know Noon had shared words with Rass after the game about the incident, but not to apologize for that.  There were some chants and less than "Christians" sayings that yours truely had to explain to the "principle" for the 6th Man.  Ah well, it comes with the job!  Till then slydawg, see ya in the semi....oh wait.
Bust  Ya'll
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 22, 2006, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 12:45:07 PM
http://www.niiconline.com/men/basketball/standings.htm

NIIC champion determined by adding point value of regular season (12-10-8-6-4-2), with point value of tournament place (6-5-4-3-2-1)

1. CLARKE 9-1 15-10
12
2. AURORA 8-2 15-9
10
3t. ROCKFORD 5-5 15-11
7
3t. CONCORDIA 5-5 11-15
7
5. BENEDICTINE 3-7 10-15
4
6. EUREKA 0-10 4-22
2

Where are you guys getting your information from?  If you read off of this link, I would read it as it states.  I have tried to open my eyes and figure out any other possible way that others are reading it, but I can't.  If Clarke wins tonight that would assure them atleast second place in the tourny.  According to the NIIC Website(i wouldn't be surprised if it was wrong, that's why I'm asking if you guys know something that I don't), the second place finisher gets 5 points, and the first place finisher, in the tourny, gets 6 points.  I did take statistics last year, and using my knowledge, I have found that 12 + 5 is equal to 17, and that 10(aurora's current point value) + 6(what aurora would get if they won) is equal to 16.  Using my statistical knowledge, I can now derive that 17 is a greater number than 16, which means that if Clarke wins tonight, no one else can win the conference championship.  Also, I am confused by the website because the first round losers finished in a tie for 5th, so how many points do they get?  1.5? Because if that is the case, then tonights losers receive 3.5 points, which means that the only possible way for a champion to lose, in this system, is if they lose their first game of the tourny and the second place team wins.
Which, although this point system i think is ridiculous, is the only fair thing to do.  One week should not weigh near as much as an entire season.

Does anyone out there read the website the same way I am reading it?  Or are they aware of printed, published rules somewhere???
 



I think that is right..if Clarke wins tonight, they advance, so even if they lose on Saturday, they finish second..BUT..if they lose either game, I can't see them making the NCAA tournament..and if Aurora wins both, they (in my opinion) have the best shot to make it, albeit a very long shot)..personally (and relax crusader) I think Aurora is better equiped for the NCAA..more scoring options and shooters and a take over player..I think Clarkes team from last year had a team suited to play in the NCAA's.. you need 1-2 guys who can take over a game, Clarke had that last year

What are you opinions for all-conference? Newcomer of the year? I think Clarke and AU get 2 players each..
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: 44 on February 22, 2006, 01:56:13 PM
I know peets personally and was at the game with a much better view of what went on then the WLC fans had...1) a fan should not be allowed to run around on the court ecspecially when dude was pretty much wasted out of his mind...2) swing a flag in peets face and billy's face is uncalled for (by the way the brokeback billy chants amazing guys loved and so did bill, genius idea haha), and when you get hit with a PVC pipe flag pole peets did go off and as Bust Ya'll said there was no punch thrown and peets said he was definently expecting to get T'd up or tossed for knocking the piss out of a 6'4 370lbs "rather large individual" who by the way needed to get some pants that fit him, suprised he could find ones to big for him...3) your coach and the majority of your players all apologized for the way that fan acted towards peets and billy while they were exchanging hand shakes at the end of the game...much class by the players and coaches of your school was showed and they should be commended for that.
as far as your chants go WLC i saw not much wrong with them its all in good taste of rooting your team on as a CUW fan i have started/participated in my fair share of those chants haha so no hard feeling there at all....good luck in the next round fellas.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 02:37:37 PM
did you mean even if they lose they finish first?  and I agree, if Clarke loses either of the next 2 games we have no chance at all.  I really don't see how aurora has a chance at all, but if I can think clarke has a chance, anyone can think aurora has a chance. 

baseman, there is NO WAY you can say clarke would get beat by 20 + in the tourny.  3 teams have beaten clarke by more than 10 pt.s this year.  yes, these are excuses, i like to call them reasons for losing.  aurora(no starting 3 man), mt. mercy(no possible conf. MVP pg), robert morris(research this team, clarkes 28 point defeat was the closest anyone came to them in the holiday tourny, check out their starting lineup, including 2 d1 players last year, and a first team mcdonalds highschool all american)

keith45, you are right, clarke doesn't have 1 or 2 guys who can take over a game.  this year, they have 6!  I'm not being just a fan, they are an excellent team ball club.  They remind me of the 2001 Wisconsin badger squad that made it to the final 4.  bynum can take over a game if needed, that is without question.  what has happened over the course of this season is 5 key players have learned how to play and have surrounded bynum with shooting, passing, and rebounding.  This team moves the ball so well, and the open man hits the shot.  any one of the top 6 players on this team has the ability to score 20 + points every game, nothing makes me prouder of clarke when i look up at the score board to see 5 guys in double figures, cuz i think that is what d3 basketball is all about, teamwork.

i watched 80% of the clarke games last year, including a game against D2 Northwest Missouri State.  That game showed you can not just have 2 guys.  They shut the Byrd bro's down(somewhat) and Clarke got blown out.  Although we started the season slow(which i think is in large part to the offense being centered around the Byrd bro's last year), I am dead serious, Clarke has a better basketball team than it had last year, without a doubt.

i think all conf includes bynum and cirks from cc, harrison from bu, welton and magee from au, smith dunkel from rockford, richard and pfeefer from eureka, and lafayette bell from concordia

newcomer of the year, dunkel

POY bynum...although it probably would be bad to overlook welton's impressive performance this year...so welton might get co-POY
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 22, 2006, 03:03:43 PM
The Way I See It,

Busty, (although this may come as a shock) I see nothing wrong with the antics that got you sent to Mr. Belding's office. Yes, Gonzaga students were warned about similar chants last week,,,but come on. This is a college basketball atmosphere. It is the job of the opposing crowd to haze and heckle players. I have no problem with the Brokeback Billy chants. As a player, I fed off the energy of the opposing crowd. It made me want to play better so i could shut them up.

But with that being said, there should never be any contact made between player or fan (i.e. the drunken Michigan State fan that started touching the Michigan player). I wasn't at the WLC/CU game or can't even tell what exactly happened judging by the many different responses, but it sounds like the fan/cheer boy was out of line by even being over by the Concordia bench. Because correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't the 6th man sit across the bench of the opposing team?

Back to the Semis, I see Lakeland winning a close battle over Edgewood. And I will go with Marian over WLC (sorry Busty, but i just can't pick WLC....although i wouldn't mind seeing a rematch of the finals 2 years ago up at the Tank as the atmosphere was nothing short of stellar in that game).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on February 22, 2006, 09:10:42 PM
Atmosphere at the 2004 WLC/Lakeland championship tilt was awesome, approximately half of WLC students who know what a basketball is made the trek to the Tank.  I think a few of Zeck's 'roid rage buddies from West Allis made it up as well.

I think the 'Brokeback Billy' chant was quite misguided, especially coming from so-called Christians.  If they view the particular lifestyle referred to as wrong and something to make fun of, they should also be ashamed of their own actions.  That being said, no one is perfect, and I believe they realize the err of their ways.  Personally, I was impressed by the 6th Man on Sunday--quite a turnout, after most of the home games this year were lacking.  It's good to see Busty going out in style.

Seeing as I haven't posted in eternity, I will now return to my normal spot on the bench after throwing up some leaning, off-balance threes from 25 feet.  I'm not Trey for nuthin'.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 22, 2006, 11:25:05 PM
CRUSADERS TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS!  shout out to CURF, they played a hell of a game...baseman, your team played a heck of a game...they will be good next year...I promise you that...well officiated game, it was good to see the refs call a good game and be supportive of the fans...the fans appreciated the refs, and apologize for getting in the way of the officials during the aurora game...they have called good games all year, and appreciate the fairness they provided...as far as i can see it, clarke won the championship, so take that aurora fans!!!!  you finally didn't win the championship for year, the last year...what a credit to clarkes team!!!!  bynum showed he can play with anybody tonight!!!!  what a leader on the floor, and the supporting cast did not disappoint...clarke did not play well tonight, and what a credit to the team to still pull out the victory!!!   Any officials on the rockford aurora game????
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 23, 2006, 01:12:21 AM
"as far as i can see it, clarke won the championship, so take that aurora fans!!!!  you finally didn't win the championship for year, the last year..." ~ Crusader

Again Crusader, you really shouldn't act like this is the first championship Clarke has ever won.  Wouldn't it be ironic to see Clarke finally win a NIIC championship but still get snubbed from the NCAA tourney???  I believe it would. 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 23, 2006, 03:12:03 AM
Who cares, this is clarkes first championship, so be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  let us rejoice, and rub it in!!!!   Great job clarke!!!!  It would be ironic to get snubbed, but it's not over yet, we still have a chance
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on February 23, 2006, 10:09:56 AM
Big game tonight I wonder if the fish tank will be jumping? ::) This is one thing I don't understand since Lakeland is basically land locked between two towns Howard's Grove and Sheboygan why don't they get more area businesses that want to support the school and also the fan base seems small, in our town the high school draws 1,500 plus every Friday and Saturday night and in my home town every school in the Big Five would draw 3,000 or better in fact even the private high schools (Catholic )draw a ton I just hope the fish tank is full tonight !!!!! by the way congradulations to Coach Grzesk and Liz on the birth of their daughter. Your family are in our prayers :D  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 23, 2006, 11:29:51 AM
The Way I See It,

Lakeland does not draw a good fan base at this point whatsoever. I am even shocked to see the lack of student turn out this year. The problem with being out in the country with these little small towns is that high school basketball takes priority. Tuesday nights are big high school b-ball nights and that happens to be a night that conference games are played. I can't offer you an explanation on the Saturday games because typically in the past they have been a pretty decent draw.

And finally, Lakeland doesn't really have an identity. Incoming coaches view Lakeland as a stepping stone for higher things. Until that view of Lakeland changes as a whole, I don't think the community can latch on to a team that may go through a different coach every few years. I use Tom Desotell of Sheboygan North as an example. He has been there for decades and the fan base that follows North is fairly consistent. Desotell has run the same offense since he has been there. People who go to their games know what to expect from the team. The same can't be said about fans going to Lakeland games. It makes it less exciting when you know absolutely nothing about the game or the team you are going to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on February 23, 2006, 12:16:49 PM
CURF - 78
Clarke - 85

I haven't looked at the stats yet, but I will take your word on them playing a great game, seems like CURF gave Clarke all they could handle.  CURF seemed to do that alot, even against Augustana they were in it until the final 3 minutes or so.  And hopefully we are good next year, maybe finally compete for the NIIC title, something that hasn't happened in like........well, a long time.  (probably since I was a young one).

If Clarke does make the NCAA tourney, I may still stand behind my 20+ point difference (maybe lower to to 15+, but we will see).  I consider the NIIC a pretty weak conference this year, with our 1st place team having at best a 17-10 record.  Although, last year Calvin only beat Aurora by 12, and they made it all the way to the final 4.  But, that Aurora team last year was way better in comparison to any team in the NIIC this year, and they still got beat by 12.  Take the football conference for example.  Lakeland dominates the conference and goes 8-2, goes to the playoffs and gets spanked by 27 points at Augustana. 

I know football doesn't really apply here, but I am trying to get my point across that if Clarke (or Aurora) does make the tourney,  it most definately means a first round exit.  BUT!!!!! whoever does make the NCAA tourney should be commended, because winning a conference takes hard work.  At least you can enjoy your conference win, while the rest of us have nothing to show for the season.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 23, 2006, 01:32:20 PM
The student turnout has been horrible this year. I'm one of the few that actually go and I usually have a ton of fun (at least try to) and its discouraging to see how few students want to support the teams.

Weekend attendance has been down this year because it seems like Lakeland is becoming more and more a Suitcase College where everyone leaves to go home for the weekends. I remember when I first got here, almost everyone stayed the weekends, and a good amount of people went to the games.

There were nine students in the stands for the women's first round game, or less than 1% of the student population. The turnout for the men's game wasn't much better. SAD.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lilphil on February 23, 2006, 03:49:37 PM
Congrats to Clarke on winning the conference...However Aurora gets revenge this Saturday.  AU 83 Clarke 77
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 23, 2006, 03:58:50 PM
if we play like we did last night, AU might get revenge.  I see welton had a killer game last night against Rockford, and I also noticed Rockford had AU down by 8 at half, and the they exploded for 57 pts i the 2nd.  Was anyone at that game?  Did AU just get on fire???

I hope Welton brings his game Saturday, as much as I am a fan of Clarke, i'm a fan of good basketball and good players.  Very very disappointed in Weltons performance against clarke here.  i was ready for a high flying, explosive all star and i saw 4 points and a hot headed technical. 

any insiders from AU know how the absense of coach lancaster is affecting the team?

and baseman, once again, just so you know, this is the last year for the NIIC..just to make sure you know that.  But LMC, look out for CURF, if they improve in the off season, they'll be a force.  and about the 20 point tourny thing(which the closer we get, the more i don't think we're even going to have to worry about tourny talk), one thing clarke has is a good PG and a good coach.  With those 2 combined, the pace of the game can be controlled and monitored.  Clarke, unless undermanned, simply can not be blown out.  It is just not possible, kind of like clarke losing at home.  Rockford should have beaten us last saturday, but Clarke's confidence and attitude at home is just too much to overcome.  They might not have the most talent, but their heads are on straight and they play disciplined and believe in the system.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on February 23, 2006, 04:49:11 PM
Granted the Lakeland ladies might be the LMC's premier female team, but this is still the grind-it-out, let's-have-a-jump-ball-every-15 seconds girls basketball that I have grown up watching.  Plus in the first round I'm guessing they played the 0-fer-16 Maranatha crew.  B-Uns, fan support may be apathetic, but you need a more prominent example than that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lilphil on February 23, 2006, 05:24:41 PM
I think every player has a bad game every once in a while, lets chalk Welton's 4 point performance up to that...  I guess you didn't see his 22pts 11 rebounds in the first meeting between Clarke and AU?? 

"Hot headed technical" maybe just a little frustrated that one of his teammates was knocked out of the game with a concussion by an elbow and didn't want to get hurt himself?!?! 

Lancaster has been back since last weekends Benedictine game....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on February 23, 2006, 07:41:52 PM
Yes, I know there is no NIIC next year, but I just didn't think about it.

At least next year there will be an automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 23, 2006, 10:27:55 PM
Unbelievable....remember when I had that equation for the best night on D3hoops...well mutiply it by 10 tonight.
A big win over the Nurses and even bigger 6th Man turnout.  What an incredible game.  Titus choked, while we were spitting up 3's 2's and everything at one point WLC was up by 20.  And the unbelievable happened...6th Man almost got a "T"  :o...  Hey sorry bout it our sticks apperantly are noise makers...so what did we do, I collected them, put them down and proceeded to chant "WE DONT NEED BROOMS" and pounded the feet in a defiant 6th Man style. 
Hey props to Marian for turning up with a bunch of girls and a guy in a skirt...yay...nothing like representing the nurses  ::)
Hey and know what else?  EDGEWOOD WON...HOME COURT SATURDAY....as my last homegame for the 6th Man I expect all of D3 LMC to come down and meet me after the game to shake hands...to bad I dont know who Black Lung is. 
The Way..its not to late to hop on the bandwagon, I wont hold it against you buddy, i promise...remember this post guys..

Quote from: Bust Ya'll on October 17, 2005, 09:11:25 PM
From the mouth of Busty:

WLC CONFERENCE CHAMPS 05-06
Last year in the saddle and as the new self proclaimed CEO of 6th Man Nation I bring you these tiddings:

Sorry Bout it
Busty


WHOOT WHOOT!
A proud and loud fan,
Bust Ya'll
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 23, 2006, 10:56:27 PM
Old School,

First your Pointers. Now your Muskies. Something about those Eagle boys that the refs just love.

Refs   76
Lakeland   70

It's easy to rip on the refs. Hell, it's D3. But come on, that game was the worst officiated game I've ever witnessed high school and up.

Funniest thing I've ever seen: Averkamp hitting four straight threes to start the game, running down the court pumping his fist because he's too soft to use his 6'7" 280 frame inside. Then got ran over by 6'4" 190 David Hoerres and gets up complaining to the refs that he got fouled. Biggest guy in the league can't take it.

7 Year Plan Seth saved the day again when the refs were clearly happy with how they shut down Lakeland, who were clearly the better team...better ball control...better inside presence even being outsized at each position inside.

I feel sorry for the LMC because once again they will not be sending the best team to the tournament. Too bad. Conference tournaments are pointless.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 23, 2006, 11:53:13 PM
yea lilphil, i saw the stats, but not the performance....elbow or not, welton still didn't need to be screaming at the officials using profanity, i mean, come on, there was little kids around.  He should have kept his cool.

I think welton should be on the lookout for one of those elbows.  With his disrespectful outburst, he deserved one more than anybody out there.  it is not our fault that one of your players was caught with an inadvertant elbow, that happens in basketball, which is what welton needs to understand.

just tell your boys to bring their stuff, 27 point blow outs aren't exactly fun to watch...make us earn it this time, we'd appreciate a good test of our ability
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 12:31:33 AM
Quote from: baseman201 on February 23, 2006, 07:41:52 PM
Yes, I know there is no NIIC next year, but I just didn't think about it.

At least next year there will be an automatic bid.

Baseman, unless the NCAA gives special dispensation, there will be no Pool A bid for the Norhtern Athletic Conference.

A truly new conference must be in existence 2 years before Pool A bids are awarded.  The Northern AC members are in Pool B until 2008-09.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 24, 2006, 12:53:40 AM
"Who cares, this is clarkes first championship, so be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  let us rejoice, and rub it in!!!!"--Crusader

Rub it in??  Congrats Clarke won the NIIC.  But rub it in, I think you meant soak it up.  Since Clarke won its first NIIC title in the leagues most down year in a long time. 

Also, the last time you beat AU they didn't have their head coach.  I think that made a huge difference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jgatz33 on February 24, 2006, 01:16:04 AM
haha just like like lakeland to cry and bitch about the game...well it looks like you guys are done unless you get an at large bid.......didnt make it to the game but listened via webcast...i dont no how you could say the refs blew the game 29-28 on the free throws which is even as hell.......last time i checked a three is worth more than a 2 so i dont no how you can hate on averkamp for hitting 4 straight threes.....o well it looks like edgewood is still playing and lakeland is at home in the corn...no way you can say lakeland is clearly the better team.....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LUMAN80 on February 24, 2006, 01:18:59 AM
i'm surprised the man knows from lakeland even can spell referee
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 24, 2006, 07:55:55 AM
Wow.  And I almost came to the game last night.  Lakeland chokes their great season away.  What a joke.

The fish have virtually no shot at a Pool C bid with SEVEN teams ahead of them in the midwest regional ranking.  Lawrence or Carroll will win the AQ most likely and one of North Central, Ill. Wes. or Augustana will win the CCIW's Pool A...and Transy should win their conference tourney.  But, that still leaves at least four teams that need to be picked before Lakeland is even considered.  No shot.  Washington U. does not hold the tie-breaker with Carnegie Mellon, so they are also a Pool C long shot.

Quote from: Big_Uns on February 23, 2006, 10:56:27 PM
Conference tournaments are pointless.

They aren't pointless at all and last night and every year the #1 seed doesn't get the NCAA bid proves that, unfortunately. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: tommy_devito on February 24, 2006, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: LUMAN80 on February 24, 2006, 01:18:59 AM
i'm surprised the man knows from lakeland even can spell referee

You can't even type a coherent sentence. So stop knocking some other school's academics.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 24, 2006, 09:05:27 AM
Quote from: jgatz33 on February 24, 2006, 01:16:04 AM
i dont no how you could say the refs blew the game 29-28 on the free throws which is even as hell.......

Just because the free throws were even doesn't mean the game was called evenly. Aaron Regal got fouled at least three times driving to the basket and no foul was called.

It was a great season for Lakeland, and it's too bad it's not continuing.

We finally got a rowdy crowd, which was amazing to see in the Aquarium last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 24, 2006, 09:47:45 AM
The Way I See It,

First off,,,,,great season to my Muskies. It's tough going out like this. Good luck to the seniors.

Now as for the game. Not sure how you can say the reffing was the worst you have seen Big_Uns. I was at the game as well and the reffing wasn't that bad. I mean Lakeland was in the bonus with 15 minutes left to go in the 2nd half. It is a frustrating loss but don't blame the usual suspects in this case.

Edgewood showed last night the team that everyone thought they would be for the entire year. They earned the win last night. They were up 17 in the second half and held on even after Lakeland came back to tie it with a little over 4 minutes to go. I think Lakeland just ran out at the end with having to come from behind the entire game. Props to Big_Uns and the student section for finally providing some ripples in the Tank. It was good to see. Lakeland clearly was the better team night in and night out of the season, but Edgewood may have been a tad better on the night when it mattered most. But great job to Gary and the boys on a hell of a year where not was expected out of Lakeland.

Busty, thanks for the invite but i will have to decline. Hey, as much as i rag on WLC, I was actually hoping for a WLC @ Lakeland final on Saturday. It would have provided the best tournament atmosphere because i know the 6th man would have travelled up here. But alas, a man can't always get what he wants.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: I Hate WLC on February 24, 2006, 10:44:38 AM
Well, I get back from South Beach to find out that the Eagles are in the championship game against Lutheran.....now this might mean there is a need for a road trip.

I'm out of the loop with the LMC stuff going on since I have been out of town, but I am well aware of the history of the LMC tournament and am not surprised at all that the championship game is between the 3/4 seeds.

As for the whining about Averkamp's game, he has always shot 3's, he will always shoot 3's, it doesn't matter that he is a big dude.

It's about time E-wood has been playing up to their potential.

Edgewood 78 WLC 74.......with me in attendance to celebrate....hopefully.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: REDMENFAN on February 24, 2006, 10:49:12 AM
I saw the new Gym at Lakeland during a JV football game, didn't actually go inside of it, but it looked like a very nice facility, along with a new weightroom I believe. I went to Lakeland college for the first semester of my freshman year, and the facilities were lets just say below average. It really looks like they are getting the funds to build top notch D-3 facilities which will help out big time with recruiting. Anyone know if a new football lockerroom has been built? Or, if they plan on doing anything with the football stadium?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 24, 2006, 11:09:51 AM
Quote from: The Way on February 24, 2006, 09:47:45 AM
Now as for the game. Not sure how you can say the reffing was the worst you have seen Big_Uns. I was at the game as well and the reffing wasn't that bad. I mean Lakeland was in the bonus with 15 minutes left to go in the 2nd half. It is a frustrating loss but don't blame the usual suspects in this case.

It was a physical game, and there were a lot of no calls in the first half from what I could see, and even though the second half was called more evenly, there were still a lot. Nobody likes to see fouls called on every possession but that's no reason to let some of the things that I saw go on.


Quote from: REDMENFAN on February 24, 2006, 10:49:12 AM
I saw the new Gym at Lakeland during a JV football game, didn't actually go inside of it, but it looked like a very nice facility, along with a new weightroom I believe. I went to Lakeland college for the first semester of my freshman year, and the facilities were lets just say below average. It really looks like they are getting the funds to build top notch D-3 facilities which will help out big time with recruiting. Anyone know if a new football lockerroom has been built? Or, if they plan on doing anything with the football stadium?

After the football season, it was rumored that the football field was going to get upgraded but it seems like that has died off of late. As of right now, everything's the same and there are no concrete plans to change it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on February 24, 2006, 11:10:34 AM
Sixth Man atmosphere was best it has been in a long, long time.  I think it may have been the largest, rowdiest turnout in three years, and I'm expecting more of the same on Saturday.  In fact, if I was two years younger I might have joined in the fray last night.  Maybe I'll have to lend my services to the Sixth Man tomorrow, as I've never experienced a championship game in the REX.  We shall see.

As for the WLC/Marian game--the Warriors came out with a sense of purpose in the first half, intent on dominating both ends of the court. Hitting a few early shots helped.  Refs were interesting--kind of pathetic both ways.  At halftime there had been 16 fouls--half of them offensive.  Granted Titus Redmond just puts his head down and Jerome Bettises his way to the hoop, but charges were aplenty among other players as well.  Then in the second half, no player control fouls were called within like the first 12-15 minutes of game time.

Game on Saturday will be enjoyable.  So-called experts say it is difficult to beat a similar-caliber team three times in one year, and WLC will be gunning for that against Edgewood.  If they lock it up, you could argue that this year was one of Skip's finest coaching jobs.  I was skeptical at first--especially with the whole "shuffle 4 or 5 new players in every five minutes, even if the ones on the floor are on fire" philosophy, but it's proved useful lately.

Warrior_Fish, see you at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lilphil on February 24, 2006, 12:39:28 PM
Oh I am sure that Welton will be on the lookout for one of those so called inadvertant elbows.

Don't you worry about our boys bringing their stuff I am sure they will be just fine. 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 24, 2006, 02:02:27 PM
If anyone hates Edgewood, loves WLC (no takers here probably)..or just want to help the 6th Man:
Please tell me what the G in G. Steven Larson is.  Your information and help will be very much appreciated.  Peace be with you all.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: shingle on February 24, 2006, 02:18:27 PM
Should be a great game @ WLC on Saturday.  The 6th man, the dance team, the cheesy warm pretzels.  I'm sure Warrior Nation is excited and the 6th man will be in full effect, but they may see a different Edgewood team.  They are so focused right now.  Seth and Chuck want this bad and it shows in their play.  It will take a supreme effort to silence the 6th man, if that is even possible.  After Chuck hit his 4th consecutive 3ptr moose's maniacs prolly didn't have much to say until the 2nd half. 

Can EC bring the herculean effort 2 games in a row and pull off the upset?
What will the 6th man do with the brooms after the game-- sweep the eagles out of the rex or bo jackson them in half and return the remains to the milwaukee area curling club?
And can I order a warm pretzel online?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on February 24, 2006, 02:38:28 PM
I think that WLC has a decent shot to take out edgewood as they have home court and seem to be on a roll.  WLC and Edgewood finished the year hot... opposed to lakeland and msoe who sucked it up when it mattered.  I am going with edgewood by 7 just because i know WLC would get destroyed in the first round if they happened to pull out the W.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 24, 2006, 02:43:14 PM
From Jack Johnson in the bumbling B's postboard

here is one prediction

Pool B #1:  Lincoln
Pool B #2:  Fisk/Maryville winner if they meet (or the winner of the GSAC tourney)
Pool B #3:  Bethany (assuming they win their conference championship on saturday)
Pool B #4:  Clarke (with a win over Aurora in the NIIC championship saturday)

Major implications...Everyone is looking for a big game, and so I am.  I am a little worried about AU bringing it.  Last time we were ready for a hard fought, enjoyable game to watch.  The only thing enjoyable was watching the crusaders pound the livin **** out of aurora.  So to all of the fans, lets just hope they show up this time.

And for the elbows being "so called inadvertant".  Clarke is not dirty, we have pride and we fight.  Elbows can get thrown around while going for rebounds, that is just what happens.  When teams are agressive and going for the ball, just understand that is going to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on February 24, 2006, 03:03:23 PM
Quote from: trey on February 24, 2006, 11:10:34 AM
Warrior_Fish, see you at the game.

I will see you there trey.  thanks for the text updates by the way.  Much appreciated.  Sorry mine were not of better news.   :-[

Quote from: Bust Ya'll on February 24, 2006, 02:02:27 PM
If anyone hates Edgewood, loves WLC (no takers here probably)..or just want to help the 6th Man:
Please tell me what the G in G. Steven Larson is.  Your information and help will be very much appreciated.  Peace be with you all.

Bust Ya'll - I am a denouncer of the EC empire and a Warrior somewhere deep down, but I will not help you there.  That is one of the most closely guarded secrets of the LMC. Dont you think it should stay that way? ???  Just stick to making fun of the orthopedic socks that Cooper wears. 

Best of luck to both teams.  I'm hoping for a good one.

PEACE<<<  (be to you too, Bust Ya'll)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: shingle on February 24, 2006, 03:56:46 PM
Gargamel is quite the interesting name and completely without connotation, that was however until the creator of the smurfs unrightly villianized it in the mid 80's.  I think we can see why it has been dropped from the archives at edgewood. 

So Saturday's game now brings an interesting twist-  Gargamel vs. the Skipper.

On one hand you have the stubborn and misunderstood smurf hater, on the other the innocent, yet misguided boat captain.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 24, 2006, 05:45:54 PM
Quote from: shingle on February 24, 2006, 03:56:46 PM
Gargamel

Are you for real?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: I Hate WLC on February 24, 2006, 05:51:14 PM
I will give you this information, but only because I enjoy creative cheers and am interested to see what you come up with....it's Gary I believe, but just stick with G. Steve.

You guys should have enough ammo from the ageless wonder Coop, but let's see what you come up with, should be interesting.

As far as I know Edgewood is bringing a pretty decent group, but that is all talk right now, our crowds are pretty random sizes, never consistent.

Hope you do something good with that information and if I make an appearance at your crap school can I please not have my life threatened my big Russian dudes again for sitting in your sacred front row? Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on February 25, 2006, 06:26:37 PM
WLC wins! Wow.  What a game.  EC seemed flat after a hard fought victory at Lakeland, and back-to-back wins for the "Get some Rogain" Cooper and "Eat some twinkies" Aver-fat-camp seemed to be too much to handle. 

Congrats to the Warriors for their win.  Good luck in the tourney, your gonna need it. 

Bust Ya'll, it was nice to see you dressed up and wore a tie.  Granted, it was a clip on, but still.  Trey, it was almost a little sad to see an old man such as yourself try to join in the 6th man.  Leave the cheering to the kids.  Go to the alumni section where you belong, with the rest of us has-bins.   ;) :D

It seems the legasy of the LMC will be that it could never send its best team to the NCAA tournament, or at least the team that actually had a prayer of winning.  Now, with the conference disbanding and merging with the NIIC, hopefully we will see a little bit better results. 

PEACE

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: unctarheel on February 25, 2006, 06:42:40 PM
Props to WLC, good luck in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2006, 03:26:33 AM
Lakeland might get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 26, 2006, 10:10:02 AM
"actions speak louder than words"
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on February 26, 2006, 10:42:40 PM
And.....Nope.  What a dissapointment for the LC, but, thats what happens when your conference doesnt have any credit to its name.  How about the WIAC only getting one!  WOW. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: sac on February 26, 2006, 11:02:22 PM
WIAC got 3

Whitewater
Stout
LaCrosse
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 26, 2006, 11:17:31 PM
I thought the WIAC only got one too - the initial list on d3 only had about half the Pool C teams (or at least several did not show up). I wonder if we will ever know how close Lakeland came to getting in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 26, 2006, 11:18:46 PM
As much as I think LC deserves to be in the tournament, I don't think they got screwed with the choices for Pool C. Too bad, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 26, 2006, 11:48:45 PM
Being in the Midwest region really hurt Lakeland this year... there were just too many other good teams that were ahead of them for a chance at a Pool C.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 26, 2006, 11:56:48 PM
Congrats Clarke!!!

And like I said, a down year for the conference--PROVEN (no one in the NCAA)!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 27, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
IRONY:
n. pl. i·ro·nies

1.  a)  The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.

      b)  An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.

      c)  A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.

2.  a)  Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: "Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated" (Richard Kain).

      b)  An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.

      c)  Dramatic irony.

      d)  Socratic irony.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on February 27, 2006, 02:03:02 PM
The bracket looks great, and well done by the committee.  Too bad LC could not get it done in the tourney.  What a shame to have WL as the final LMC representative!  From what I understand, the atmosphere at Hope is incredible and will put the 6th man to shame.  WL has NO CHANCE!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: crusaders on February 27, 2006, 02:06:19 PM
I'll be sure to remember that when I'm walking by the trophy case.  Clarke did all they could.  And I wasn't the only person thinking we had a chance.  We were right there until the end.  Their large margin of victory towards the end of the season just showed just how much they have improved over the season.  For a team that wasn't even supposed to compare to the team we had last year, I think Clarke played one hell of a season.

Any All Conference picks out there????  Player of the Year??
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 27, 2006, 05:55:28 PM
Busty,

I'll congratulate WLC if they lose by no more than 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2006, 08:37:17 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 27, 2006, 05:55:28 PM
Busty,

I'll congratulate WLC if they lose by no more than 25.

Or less?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2006, 08:42:02 PM
Quote from: playdefense on February 27, 2006, 02:03:02 PM
From what I understand, the atmosphere at Hope is incredible and will put the 6th man to shame.  WL has NO CHANCE!

Two years ago, Point played Lawrence in the Sectional final in front of less than 200 fans because the host school, Puget Sound, got knocked out.  Basically no one from the midwest flew out to the great northwest to see that game.  If that was the case at Hope, where there weren't any fans there, WLC still would have no chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 27, 2006, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 27, 2006, 08:37:17 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 27, 2006, 05:55:28 PM
Busty,

I'll congratulate WLC if they lose by no more than 25.

Or less?

Yeah that's what I meant. Mondays...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 27, 2006, 09:10:51 PM
I posted this in the MIAA room and thought you  might also find it usefull:




Team Stats     WLC     Hope    
SCORING..................     2219   2168
Points per game........     79.2   77.4
Scoring margin.........     1.4   17.2
FIELD GOALS-ATT..........     760-1702   790-1704
Field goal pct.........     0.447   0.464
3 POINT FG-ATT...........     226-650   179-489
3-point FG pct.........     0.348   0.366
3-pt FG made per game..     8.1   6.4
FREE THROWS-ATT..........     473-669   409-592
Free throw pct.........     0.707   0.691
REBOUNDS.................     993   1114
Rebounds per game......     35.5   39.8
Rebounding margin......     -1.6   6.9
ASSISTS..................     415   365
Assists per game.......     14.8   13
TURNOVERS................     487   362
Turnovers per game.....     17.4   12.9
Turnover margin........     0.6   3.6
Assist/turnover ratio..     0.9   1
STEALS...................     271   254
Steals per game........     9.7   9.1
BLOCKS...................     69   106
Blocks per game........     2.5   3.8
WINNING STREAK...........     7   6
Home win streak........     4   16
ATTENDANCE...............     4056   45851
Home games-Avg/Game....     14-290   16-2866
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 27, 2006, 09:27:01 PM
Most glaring thing:

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 27, 2006, 09:10:51 PM



ATTENDANCE...............     4056   45851
Home games-Avg/Game....     14-290   16-2866

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 27, 2006, 09:10:51 PM
I posted this in the MIAA room and thought you  might also find it usefull:

Don't count on the game being as close as the stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2006, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 27, 2006, 09:27:01 PM
Most glaring thing:

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 27, 2006, 09:10:51 PM



ATTENDANCE...............     4056   45851
Home games-Avg/Game....     14-290   16-2866

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 27, 2006, 09:10:51 PM
I posted this in the MIAA room and thought you  might also find it usefull:

Don't count on the game being as close as the stats.

Yeah, but those 290 fans are pretty dedicated! lol.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskie Fan South on February 27, 2006, 11:14:22 PM
One common thing nobody mentioned games  against Lakeland who played both schools. Who is roy, poy,coy????
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2006, 08:05:20 AM
Quote from: Muskie Fan South on February 27, 2006, 11:14:22 PM
One common thing nobody mentioned games  against Lakeland who played both schools. Who is roy, poy,coy????

I know a roy, but are poy and coy brothers of roy?  Sorry, couldn't help it.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on February 28, 2006, 09:40:56 AM
No doubt, how did Lakeland play Hope within 8 points, at Hope?  That is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on February 28, 2006, 09:54:16 AM
That just goes to show you how good Lakeland was this year.  The Muskies played LaX tough for 3/4 of the game, beat Stevens Point, led Hope 40-37 with 7:00 left, (at HOPE) and ran away with the LMC.  Unfortunatley LC did not take care of non-conference opponents Rockford and Benedictine on the road. Those losses cost them an at-large.  And of couse one bad half of basketball vs. Edgewood probably cost them the automatic LMC bid. 

Cudos to Fish though.  They had one of the best years in LC history.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndersDY on February 28, 2006, 10:53:48 AM
I was thinking that I shouldn't invite the WLC folks to come join in the fervor on the MIAA board as most of it is going on the assumption that Hope will be playing on Saturday, but it appears that this is the most likely expectation for WLC here as well. As for Hope's one encounter with Lakeland this year, I did not attend the game, but eye-witness accounts labeled that game as perhaps the ugliest display of basketball at any level. Hope was coming back from their winter layoff (and perhaps Lakeland was as well) and it would appear that game shouldn't be used to make any assessment about how tough either team is now.

Will a full 290 make it around the lake to make some noise on Friday? While the Hope faithful will gladly snatch up any tickets not claimed over there, it is always more fun if there is someone cheering from the other side. For those who haven't checked it out, the new arena is certainly worth going to see a game in. Not everyone will be in all orange this time, but an idea of the level of crowd you'll be part of this weekend if you make the trip:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hope.edu%2Fimg%2Ffieldhouse%2FDeVosMbb1.jpg&hash=d8f5755a68be800c66f0bf92e9f0f658e3732933)

Anyway, the folks on the MIAA board are already hyping up this weekend so feel free to check it out:
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 01:58:11 AM
I love it. It's only Monday night, and already mortars are flying back and forth between the siege lines in Holland and Grand Rapids. A recon team of highly-trained Hope cheerleaders is repulsed, only to see a counterattack of water-walking acolytes from the House of Veld vaporized in a sudden incendiary burst, leaving behind only fragments of maroon-and-gold panties.

I wonder if the UW-LaCrosse and Wisconsin Lutheran people are aware that they're wandering straight into the line of fire? With the skirmishes heating up and all-out conflict just over the horizon, woe to the cheeseheads who heedlessly cross the battlefield in Netherlands-By-The-Lake.

World War Four. It's supersweet!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on February 28, 2006, 10:58:17 AM
LaX will understand what is going to happen.  Although they have not played in front of such a large crowd before, WIAC games at least provide the atmosphere and interest that a contest against Calvin and maybe Hope will have.  LaX and Calvin should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2006, 11:44:13 AM
andersdy,

Very impressive picture!  Wow.

as playdefense said, the WIAC has good crowds, not 3000 type crowds, but we do get our ocassional 2000 type crowds.  Though La Crosse doesn't pack them in, hostile crowds in Stevens Point and especially Menomonie (Stout) will prepare La Crosse a little.  I think Oshkosh came over there a couple of years ago and won, so it's not impossible!  ;D

Here's a possible reason why Lakeland didn't get a Pool C bid.  DePauw won the SCAC AQ and Trinity (TX) got one of the Pool C bids, taking it away from possibly Lakeland (or Washington U, for that matter).  Anyway, you should really blame Rhodes for knocking off Trinity!

Regardless, it's a pretty nice half court shot at the buzzer.

http://www.depauw.edu/av/bballtourney/winner2006.mov
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on February 28, 2006, 11:49:06 AM
Well after a considerable victory hiatus from D3hoops to let the other posters let the inevitable WLC conference victory set in...I return.  Props to the boys for going off the handle in the last half of the conference play when it really mattered.  Props to the 6th Man members to finally listen to my emails and start showing up.  And props to D3 posters for taking the WLC win so well and not lambasting WLC outright and calling it a shame or a sham or whatever.
However, now we get to the real meat of the problem.  Attendance...with a school of about 2,900 students, plus the family and the parents of all those involved, plus all the people with nothing to do in Holland, Mich.  (believe me I know I've been there for football trips) it is no small wonder that the 3,400 sized HopeDome fills up for almost every game or averages 2,866.  WLC on the other hand has a gym that seats like 2000 and a student body of 750.  So seriously, Big Uns and Old School...use your head.  It's like comparing apples to oranges.  Besides, WLC's spring break starts on friday so almost everyone is going home instead of making the pilgrimage to this most holy of games.  Yours truly will be there.  The lone green fish in a sea of orange.
Suffice it to say, I can only predict so many tournament and conference champs in one year, therefore, what I will say will no doubt upset everyone.  Look for a WLC win.  The guys are hot, they love atmosphere (6th Man or other) and of all the colleges those stats of Hope compare just fine with ours.  Now, call me ignorant, (and you are free to do so) but I would much rather play against a MIAA team then the Stouts, Pointers and LaX's of Wisconsin.  For some reason, it just seems more do-able.  So bring on the criticism and attacks from both the LMC and MIAA board, but I gotta stay green guys.  WLC wins it on friday by 5.  The first LMC team to advance...you heard it here first folks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bodhi5 on February 28, 2006, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 27, 2006, 02:06:19 PM
I'll be sure to remember that when I'm walking by the trophy case.

It will be hard not to remember that while walking by the trophy case which holds only one trophy.  Actually, it would be more of a "shelf" than a "case."  Best of luck in whatever conference accepts the Crusaders. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2006, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on February 28, 2006, 11:49:06 AM
So seriously, Big Uns and Old School...use your head.  It's like comparing apples to oranges.  

Use my head?  Come on Bust Ya'll, give me a little more love than that!  If I said anything bad, it was more tongue in cheek.  I know of the WLC support and the school size and all that!  ;) 

I am happy to hear that you're heading over.  I don't think any more than 50 people will be supporting the Greenies though.  Not sure if that's accurate at all.  Being a LMC alumnus, of course I root for the underdog, and what a big underdog they are.  That would be amazing!  I don't see it happening, but then again, this is March madness!  I love your dedication and your bold statements...I'm not gonna argue with the 6th man! lol.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndersDY on February 28, 2006, 12:03:45 PM
I'm not sure UWLax needs to prepare for a hostile crowd, at least on Friday. Hope will be half of the gym plus whatever we can buy back from the unused allotment to Wisconsinites. Calvin fans are generally pretty loud per capita, but they are just going to have trouble getting that many tickets to really make them an intimidating crowd. My guess is that the Hope fans showing up for the early Friday game will be rather laid back but mostly hoping that UWLax keeps Calvin from getting a rematch just a week later. I'm not so sure that UWLax is a better option since we know what we'd be getting with Calvin, but there is always the fear that Calvin could find a way this time around.

If it is UWLax against Hope on Saturday, then they will get to see the hostile version of the crowd, probably 3000 strong unless UWLax actually brings enough people to use their allotment for the Saturday game.

UWOshkosh did take Hope out three years ago, but fortunately there is no more playing in the converted Dow Center (the former home arena had a court shorter than regulation so Hope had to host tourney games in their phys ed building). Given how the first tournament game in that building went (I'm sure if you ask Baldwin Wallace folks, they remember) the Hope faithful are glad that the new home court is NCAA sanctioned.  
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 28, 2006, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: bodhi5 on February 28, 2006, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: crusaders on February 27, 2006, 02:06:19 PM
I'll be sure to remember that when I'm walking by the trophy case.

It will be hard not to remember that while walking by the trophy case which holds only one trophy.  Actually, it would be more of a "shelf" than a "case."  Best of luck in whatever conference accepts the Crusaders. 

Sorry, I had to reply...and its my fault, based  on crusaders talk, I thought Clarke was a perennial conference contender..I mean, they have had some GREAT PLAYERS..I played against Jeron Warner, he was the truth..soo I said to myself, lets check to see how many timnes Clarke has won the NIIC.....and I realized why Crusader was so hype to beat Aurora, without their starting PG (1 game) and Head Coach (1 game)
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 28, 2006, 01:19:25 PM
Bust Ya'll - Love your enthusiasm, and I'd say the same thing in your shoes.  Unfortunately for you, it won't be easy being green on Friday.  Hope's depth and athleticism should prevail by 20 (after leading by 30+).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on February 28, 2006, 01:46:04 PM
The Way I See It,

Busty, you must feel like a little boy at Christmas who just got that GI Joe he had on his list. I mean you have never had this many people on this board showing you respect and praising your enthusiasm.  But I too would have been dissappointed to see you not pick WLC to win.

And as for the crowd in UWLax and Calvin, i bet the Hope fans will cheer for UWLax if the game is close. That is just the natural reaction when you see your swarn enemy engaged in battle.

Look for Calvin and Hope to meet on Saturday. I think WLC will give Hope fits early on with their style of play, but Hope is just too good to lose at home in the playoffs. Hope will win by about 15.

If i didn't have to work, I might have even driven along with you Busty. I mean we might have clashed a little, but that is something a few taverns on the way could have fixed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hope1 on February 28, 2006, 05:28:32 PM
what is there style of play just wondering
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 28, 2006, 06:05:37 PM
Quote from: hope1 on February 28, 2006, 05:28:32 PM
what is there style of play just wondering

Mediocre.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 01:11:49 PM
What is our style of play eh?  I suppose its mediocre...if thats all it takes to win the conference.  Not saying much about the other teams right?  Hey according to Big Uns, WLC plays mediocre, well we won the conference, therefore, all the other teams are below mediocre....once again WLC is on top. Thank you,

I would say our style of play is like a hockey team.  Skip has some formula in his head where its a line change every 5 mins it seems.  Which works out good I guess.  I would say everyone on the team is capable of hitting the three under pressure or wide open.  And excellent ball movement.  However, that usually results in a turn over.  And more often than not, our key shooters take shots that continually end up in a "heat check."  Overall, WLC is a very capable team and has been underrated for some time now.  Regardless, the guys are pumped so are the fans and whatever happens, its one heck of a way to leave the LMC and WLC.
Bust Ya'll

-still seeing it by 5
-Oh yea, Old School, nothing personal just a little teaser
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on March 01, 2006, 01:54:56 PM
Hey Busty?  What's this talk about WLC winning the "league."  YES - WLC won the championship of the tournament, and in the end, because of the first half egg Lakeland laid against Edgewood and because of the "Twinkie" chatter by the 6th man, may have won it by default.  Lakeland, in my book, is still the real LMC CHAMPION!  They won it going away (by 3 games) over a period of three and 1/2 months.  Conference tournaments are nice, but I'm still a believer that the regular season champion, especially in the LMC, gets more respect in the long run!  Especially if the LMC tournament champion gets man handled by Hope!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on March 01, 2006, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 01:11:49 PM
What is our style of play eh?  I suppose its mediocre...if thats all it takes to win the conference.  Not saying much about the other teams right?  Hey according to Big Uns, WLC plays mediocre, well we won the conference, therefore, all the other teams are below mediocre....once again WLC is on top. Thank you,

I guess we should all bow down to mighty WLC for "bringin it" for two weeks of this whole season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: showtimeSmyHero on March 01, 2006, 04:27:39 PM
I think the conf. tournament gives greater props.... at least in the LMC. Who cares about who wins the league...They dont even make it to the post season!

WLC is well coached... i think.  They all play hard and they are all very aggressive on the court. I don't think their gaurds are that good. I like their big guy who can step out and shoot. If he goes off against Hope, WLC could have a small chance.

They hack, bite, scratch, hold.... and usually get called for loads of fouls. Its what works for them so i guess why not. If metzger suits up, i still think they would lose by 12.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: playdefense on March 01, 2006, 04:44:46 PM
All I know is Lakeland played very hard and nearly beat Hope in December.  I hope WLC represents the LMC and plays as well, but don't count on it.  Just compare the all important defensive stats.  Hope has a better defensive per game average, and a better defensive FG %per game average.  If you look at WLC's stats, they give up almost 80 points per game.  That will not get it done against Hope.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 01, 2006, 08:34:24 PM
Lakeland did play a tough game against Hope, no doubt about that.  It was, however, the aboslute worst game played this year by the Dutchmen.  Some of the credit for that goes to Lakeland's defense, but I think if they play 10 times, Hope wins all 10 by an average of 15.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: playdefense on March 01, 2006, 01:54:56 PM
Hey Busty?  What's this talk about WLC winning the "league."
Well, they did win the tournament....maybe Lakeland had more wins, but that just means they started strong and finished weak.  A race is not won by someone who is in first most of the time, but by the guy that crosses the finish line first.  Think about that, that one is free of charge.  Besides, Edgewood and WLC were the only LMC teams to beat Lakeland this year, so its only right that one of us goes to the tourney. 
Quote from: Big_Uns on March 01, 2006, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 01:11:49 PM
I guess we should all bow down to mighty WLC for "bringin it" for two weeks of this whole season.
Yes I would like that actually

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 01, 2006, 08:34:24 PM
Lakeland did play a tough game against Hope, no doubt about that. It was, however, the aboslute worst game played this year by the Dutchmen. Some of the credit for that goes to Lakeland's defense, but I think if they play 10 times, Hope wins all 10 by an average of 15. Just my opinion.
And you are of course entitled to your opinion after invading the LMC board and talking trash about my conference.  However, I still think that WLC will put up a fight.  Can you guys gaurd the 3?  Once again, I'll play the ignorant card: How do you guys even play over there.  I picture a bunch of farmboys with a dependency on the post and crisp passes.  Like the Hoisers.  Well lets just hope that this fridays game wont have a Hollywood Hope ending.
Bust Ya'll
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 02, 2006, 09:30:12 AM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 01:11:49 PM
I would say our style of play is like a hockey team. 

Does that mean they dump and chase?  :o

No problem Busty.  As we are all members of the LMC, we should join forces and fight the evil empire in Michigan! lol.

I dislike WLC, but I HATE Marian and Concordia, but I'll bypass my distain for all LMC things not lakeland related and will be proud to wear my LMC hat (ok, I don't have one, but you get the point). 

I'm definitely rooting for WLC (because they'll be easier to beat for La Crosse than Hope!) lol.  Seriously, I wish WLC all the luck in the world. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndersDY on March 02, 2006, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 09:50:31 PM
And you are of course entitled to your opinion after invading the LMC board and talking trash about my conference.  However, I still think that WLC will put up a fight.  Can you guys gaurd the 3?  Once again, I'll play the ignorant card: How do you guys even play over there.  I picture a bunch of farmboys with a dependency on the post and crisp passes.  Like the Hoisers.  Well lets just hope that this fridays game wont have a Hollywood Hope ending.
Bust Ya'll

Actually we could maybe use a bit more post play. We have one 6'9" big man named Voison, but he has aspirations of playing guard as he is often found around the arc and occasionally puts up 3s.  When I read about "a big guy who can step outside and shoot" I was thinking that for once maybe we'll be glad that Voison doesn't like being an inside banger, though we have begun to see more strong post moves out of him. Our other starters who work in the paint are Phillips at 6'6" and VanderHeide 6'7". Phillips is scrawny yet somehow leads the team in rebounding, he seems to just be quick and scrappy inside (though his touch with the 3 foot shot has been on and off this year). VanderHeide can make a move inside but is comfortable anywhere on the floor and may actually have the most consistent 3 point stroke on the team. We have a good ball handling and distributing point guard in Immink and the fifth starter Cramer is the smoothest athlete on the floor any night. He's the one player who can create his own bucket at any given point, though he rarely has to with the team's balanced scoring.

A freshman named Reimink has been coming on as a good boost to the team, a 6'4" football player type who gladly bangs around inside and does the little things but can shoot from anywhere. Even in games against tournament caliber teams, you'll probably see a 10 deep lineup out of Hope at least for some part of the time. Their best play has come when their defense leads the way and yes, they have had to guard the 3 plenty this year against Calvin and others. They have the ability to swarm the best outside shooters, but have also had to practice consistently denying the post against Albion.  I've seen them have trouble this year against teams who are super quick at all 5 spots so that they can constantly move on offense and defend Hope by either not helping or being quick enough to recover after double teaming. FT shooting has also been inconsistent, so hopefully that doesn't fail them somewhere in the tourney.

As to the farmboy comment, they aren't called the Dutchmen for nothing so it may be possible to mistake the lily-white lineup for some midwest farmers. From what I have heard (missed that particular game), Flying Dutch Fan really does have a point that nothing should be assumed about Hope based on the Lakeland game. Accounts of those who witnessed it concluded that the Lakeland game was hands-down the ugliest game played in the history of basketball from both sides. I'm not sure that means we can assume no other games with Lakeland would have been close, but that one game came following a long layoff and apparently the real Hope team did not show themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 02, 2006, 10:36:41 AM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 09:50:31 PM
And you are of course entitled to your opinion after invading the LMC board and talking trash about my conference.  However, I still think that WLC will put up a fight.  Can you guys gaurd the 3?  Once again, I'll play the ignorant card: How do you guys even play over there.  I picture a bunch of farmboys with a dependency on the post and crisp passes.  Like the Hoisers.  Well lets just hope that this fridays game wont have a Hollywood Hope ending.
Bust Ya'll


Actually our offense should look pretty familiar to you, since it is based on Bo Ryans offense.  Guard the 3 - absolutely - we're in a league with 3 teams that launch between 23-28 per game, and yet we lead the league in 3pt defense - 32.6%. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on March 02, 2006, 10:47:09 AM
The Way I See It,

I guess i am confused as to why the Lakeland/Hope game should be taken out of the picture?  If the game was ugly on both sides of the ball, wouldn't the game be just as close if both teams were clicking on all cylinders? Don't pull out the layoff card and all that crap. The game was close. End of story. So if Hope comes out and plays like that tomorrow night, what would the excuse be then?


GO WLC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will be listening to the game via webcast off of Hope's site. Any Hope fans out there do that before? Is the quality good or will it cut in and out?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 02, 2006, 11:28:59 AM
TW - you're right about the Lakeland game - both teams played poorly.  I guess we gotta just let them play the game   ;)

Hope's webcast seems to work well most of the time.  I've actually been in Europe and listened on dial-up. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hope1 on March 02, 2006, 06:34:54 PM
yeah the web site works really well
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Civic Minded on March 02, 2006, 07:51:22 PM
Hey Andersdy -- Nothing like giving scouting reports to the enemy!  What are ya, goofy???? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 02, 2006, 07:58:42 PM
Congrats to all of the players and coaches who received all-conference awards (http://lakemichiganconference.org/basketball_m/all-lmc.htm).

Special congrats to the Lakeland guys who swept Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year and Coach of the year.  Too bad they are done playing.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: sac on March 02, 2006, 08:23:54 PM
The game tape from the Lakeland-Hope game can be found at the bottom of the Autumn Hills Landfill near Drenthe, MI.

This is in an attempt to protect all future hoopers from ever witnessing the ugliest basketball ever played in the West Michigan area.

That game will tell you nothing about Hope or Lakeland but expescially will tell you nothing about how to play good basketball. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on March 03, 2006, 08:59:34 AM
Quote from: Civic Minded on March 02, 2006, 07:51:22 PM
Hey Andersdy -- Nothing like giving scouting reports to the enemy!  What are ya, goofy???? ::)

Like it's actually going to matter. His scouting report pretty much told me all I need to know about this game: WLC is overmatched BIG TIME.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndersDY on March 03, 2006, 09:37:07 AM
Quote from: Civic Minded on March 02, 2006, 07:51:22 PM
Hey Andersdy -- Nothing like giving scouting reports to the enemy!  What are ya, goofy???? ::)

If the WLC coaching staff isn't good enough to pick up more information than that on their own, then I'm sure we wouldn't have to worry about them beating us anyway. Other than maybe suggesting they find the tape of the first half of the last regular season game with Tri-State (I'm sure if they don't have it yet, it's too late now) to see how to give Hope fits, I can't imagine they haven't figured out more than I gave them on their own.

I guess I'll have to lie low and take all the blame if WLC pulls it out tonight though. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: dren on March 03, 2006, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: playdefense on March 01, 2006, 01:54:56 PM
Hey Busty?  What's this talk about WLC winning the "league."
Well, they did win the tournament....maybe Lakeland had more wins, but that just means they started strong and finished weak.  A race is not won by someone who is in first most of the time, but by the guy that crosses the finish line first.  Think about that, that one is free of charge.  Besides, Edgewood and WLC were the only LMC teams to beat Lakeland this year, so its only right that one of us goes to the tourney. 
Quote from: Big_Uns on March 01, 2006, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 01:11:49 PM
I guess we should all bow down to mighty WLC for "bringin it" for two weeks of this whole season.
Yes I would like that actually

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on March 01, 2006, 08:34:24 PM
Lakeland did play a tough game against Hope, no doubt about that. It was, however, the aboslute worst game played this year by the Dutchmen. Some of the credit for that goes to Lakeland's defense, but I think if they play 10 times, Hope wins all 10 by an average of 15. Just my opinion.
And you are of course entitled to your opinion after invading the LMC board and talking trash about my conference.  However, I still think that WLC will put up a fight.  Can you guys gaurd the 3?  Once again, I'll play the ignorant card: How do you guys even play over there.  I picture a bunch of farmboys with a dependency on the post and crisp passes.  Like the Hoisers.  Well lets just hope that this fridays game wont have a Hollywood Hope ending.
Bust Ya'll


I'm sure the Hope defense is nothing like the Hack-a-Shack method WLC is used to...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2006, 09:58:00 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 01, 2006, 09:50:31 PMOnce again, I'll play the ignorant card: How do you guys even play over there.  I picture a bunch of farmboys with a dependency on the post and crisp passes.  Like the Hoisers.  Well lets just hope that this fridays game wont have a Hollywood Hope ending.

Final score from Holland, MI:

Dependent Farmboys 93
Wisconsin Lutheran 51

Re: Playing the ignorant card: Always a good idea to lead with your best suit, Busty.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: sac on March 04, 2006, 12:13:56 AM
My personal favorite quote from bust yall  "Can you guys gaurd the 3? "     uh yeah  WLU 6-25 from beyond 3.

Love your boastfullness and full support you give busty.  But the Warriors wouldn't beat Hope in a 10 games series once.

Congrats to WLU on makeing the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2006, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: sac on March 04, 2006, 12:13:56 AM
Congrats to WLU on makeing the tournament.

Wisconsin Lutheran is a College, not a University.  ;D  WLC, not WLU.  :P

Wow...42 point blowout.  ouch.  Oh well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on March 04, 2006, 10:42:38 AM
And the Lake Michigan Conference goes out with a wimper ... Good-bye LMC, and good riddance.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on March 04, 2006, 06:57:29 PM
It would have been interesting to see if Lakeland could have done something in the NCAAs. They deserved to have the chance but oh well, congrats to WLC and the sixth man on a great tourney run. Congrats to James on POY. And good bye to the LMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on March 05, 2006, 02:49:37 PM
My question now is...When do we start a NAC board?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on March 06, 2006, 01:50:47 PM
Too early for next year? Never.

The board for the new Northern Athletic Conference. I hope this didn't need Pat's approval.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 02:18:14 PM

So who's in the NAC?  Actually, we're going to have to come up with another acronym for it, because the North Atlantic Conference already has dibs on NAC.  May I suggest the NoAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: JUSTINTYEM on March 06, 2006, 02:23:07 PM
Nice Job Hoops go get your copy rights to it.NoAC is yours,you thought of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 02:25:01 PM

OK, so somebody has to change the room name.

Then, they have to tell me who is officially in the NoAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 02:27:36 PM
Institutions that signed the letter of intent to form the new conference are Alverno College, Aurora University, Benedictine University, Clarke College, Concordia University-River Forest, Concordia University-Wisconsin, Dominican University, Edgewood College, Lakeland College, Maranatha Baptist Bible College, Marian College, Milwaukee School of Engineering, Rockford College, and Wisconsin Lutheran College.

I found this press release, but there is no mention on a conference name, is Northern Athletic Conference even official?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on March 06, 2006, 02:48:23 PM
Clarke and MSOE are not in it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 05:05:21 PM

I just copied the press release.  Apparently they once signed a letter of intent to join, however, I have also heard that they will not be a part.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2006, 05:05:42 PM

How are we coming on the name change for the message board?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: sac on March 06, 2006, 05:07:28 PM
12 teams seems like a lot in one conference, will there be divisions?

Full round robin?  22 conference games is a lot, not much room for non-conf games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2006, 07:17:31 PM
I changed the name -- we can skip acronyms altogether.

We will continue to let the North Atlantic Conference be the NAC on the site and probably will ... uhm ... not sure NoAC makes sense either, considering that can still mean North Atlantic. We'll figure it out.

Hey, with all the massive publicity the schools involved have put out about this process, I'd be surprised if we even heard about it when it got finalized.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on March 06, 2006, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: sac on March 06, 2006, 05:07:28 PM
12 teams seems like a lot in one conference, will there be divisions?

Full round robin?  22 conference games is a lot, not much room for non-conf games.

It is and I know that there were several concerns about this when the conference first was "announced." Truth is, nobody really knows right now whether the conference will be split into divisions.

Let's be honest, D-III "Super Conferences" basically only work for the prospect of possibly fielding more than one NCAA tournament contender. More often than not it's just a travel hassle for every already low-budgeted school involved in the first place.

I don't like the idea of the divisions because it will be almost as if the NIIC and LMC never merged (more likely to make it a North/South split than an East/West considering the geography of each school) and hope they can come up with a schedule like the Big Ten uses where some schools play twice but the others once. This would probably be more effective. Perhaps play 7 teams twice and 4 once for a total of 18 conference games.

Of course, with Alverno being a female school, that leaves only 11 teams for the men. Twenty conference games is still way too many in my opinion. Would you then have 6 teams twice and 4 teams once for 16 conference games? Who knows.

I think the only thing most people know is that we'd like to know real soon.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2006, 12:11:56 AM
Rumor in the MWC board was that Clarke and MSOE had applied to play there.  Anyone have any updated info?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2006, 12:56:33 AM
The 6 and 5 format for the men would allow divisions.

I see the real winners being the other sports getting AQ's and having some flexilbility in their scheudling and a specific number of games against peer institutions.

The Pool system is being evaluated for Tennis and Golf, a definite plus for a conference.  At 11 members, not every school would need to have those sports for the Conference to have an AQ, only the minimum 7.

The 11 schools for men allow definite access to Pool A in Baseball and Soccer and Basketball, espeically for the NIIC holdovers.

The Northern AC has enough football members to get an AQ:

Aurora, Benedictine, CU-RF, CU-W, Lakeland, Maranatha, Rockford and WLC.

The conference would have the option to add football affiliates, e.g, as WLC currently in the MIAA until Tri-State comes on board, or Catholic in the ODAC.

This will cannabilize the IBC, but the UMAC is headed towards a football AQ anyway.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 07, 2006, 05:06:24 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2006, 07:17:31 PMWe will continue to let the North Atlantic Conference be the NAC on the site and probably will ... uhm ... not sure NoAC makes sense either, considering that can still mean North Atlantic. We'll figure it out.

I suggest calling it "N'ernAC".  :D

As to the other concerns, there will be neither divisions nor a double round-robin next year. After that ... who knows? But it'll be just one big eleven-team aggregate in men's basketball next year. I'm not sure if there will be a postseason conference tourney or not; since both the LMC and the NIIC held them, my guess is that there will be one, but who knows how many teams will be in it.

I'm not sure if the regular season schedule for the new league will consist of 16, 17, or 18 games, but it won't be the full twenty-game double round-robin. And you can already anticipate immediate repercussions, since one of the matchups that will be single-game-only next season will be archrivals (and perennial NIIC powers) Aurora and Benedictine.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 07, 2006, 08:55:41 AM
What about the "NAthCon?"


Of course that also sounds like something the late James Doohan would attend for a small appearance fee.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on March 07, 2006, 09:29:45 AM
If they dropped "Athletic" from the name they could have the NoCon much like the SoCon in D-I. Other possibilities:

NorthAC
or NortAC for you native speakers  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2006, 08:39:17 AM

I like NoCon.  That's a good one.  Becuase of the SoCon in d1, we'll know that the 'No' implies North.  Hard to get too confused there.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on March 10, 2006, 12:25:59 AM
The official name of this new league is the Northern Athletics Conference - note the s on Athletics. Apparently the presidents of the schools really wanted that. Northern Athletics Conference is the official name.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2006, 08:42:14 AM

Well then, it's obvious.  It has to be the NAsCon.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2006, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on March 10, 2006, 08:42:14 AM

Well then, it's obvious.  It has to be the NAsCon.

The team uniforms of NAsCon member schools will be covered in corporate logo patches, and instead of a horn sounding at the end of a game the refs will wave a checkered flag.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2006, 09:33:19 AM

I think we've got a real marketing winner here.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 19, 2006, 03:48:09 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 02, 2005, 04:00:14 AM
I agree. It's a great story, and I'm impressed by Larry Welton's gesture. It was not only a classy recognition by Welton that the award would mean more to Will Landry's former teammate than it would to him, it was an honest statement on Welton's part -- Tony Bollier really did deserve the Landy Award, even though Wheaton lost to Aurora.

I'm neither a Wheaton fan nor an Aurora fan -- but I am now a Larry Welton fan.

As someone who is still emphatically a Larry Welton fan after the opening weeking this year, congrats to Larry for his All-American nod.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 19, 2006, 10:14:12 PM
"Noack" is a common term in the transportation industry to indicate the condition of being out of radio range.  Really remote areas have long been known as "noack areas," although for all I know the erection of the billionth cellular tower may have eliminated the last noack area in North America (along with the last songbird. :'()

Since NoAC is a homonym for "noack," and is proposed to describe a conference of fairly remote schools, it may be a good fit.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2006, 08:50:32 AM

Pat already told us NoAC was a no go, because it doesn't differentiate from the current NAC.

I think NAsCon is the best we're going to do.


By the way there are still plenty of "noack" zones in the flyovers, mostly in the Northern Plains and Rocky Mountains.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Ya'll on March 22, 2006, 03:13:34 PM
Good bye D3hoops and LMC  :'(
I will miss upsetting people with my ignorance and cocky swagger.  Spouting out baseless facts from my mind instead of reliable stats.  'Tis a pitty,

If you want to know the real Bust Ya'll go to wlc.edu and check out the football roster #80 and if you're too lazy my facebook name is Eric Henne and I got a picture for the LMC on it.  (I figure you earned it after 4 yrs of my crap)

PEACE OUT LMC
sorry bout it,
Busty
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2006, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Bust Ya'll on March 22, 2006, 03:13:34 PM
Good bye D3hoops and LMC  :'(
I will miss upsetting people with my ignorance and cocky swagger.  Spouting out baseless facts from my mind instead of reliable stats.  'Tis a pitty,

If you want to know the real Bust Ya'll go to wlc.edu and check out the football roster #80 and if you're too lazy my facebook name is Eric Henne and I got a picture for the LMC on it.  (I figure you earned it after 4 yrs of my crap)

PEACE OUT LMC
sorry bout it,
Busty

Are you retiring?  All because you're done with school doesn't mean you can't post on d3hoops anymore!  What the heck?  The new conference page won't be the same without you.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2006, 05:17:18 PM
You've made me roll my eyes with your silly posts more often than I can count, Busty, but I give you props for identifying yourself like that. Most posters of a trash-talk bent don't have the stones to go the full-disclosure route.

I don't see why you have to give up posting, though. I've never understood student posters who say, "Well, I'm graduating now, so bye-bye forever to Posting Up." Why should being an alumnus rather than a student stop you from contributing? In fact, I'm almost certain that there's more alumni that post in the various rooms than students.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on April 13, 2006, 09:52:31 PM
http://www.lakeland.edu/AboutUs/news.asp?article=1868

Goodbye and good luck, my friend.

Dont forget us.

PEASE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on April 13, 2006, 09:53:20 PM
http://www.lakeland.edu/AboutUs/news.asp?article=1868

Goodbye and good luck.

We will miss you. 

PEASE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 14, 2006, 06:03:42 PM
So, according to the article, it's the Northern Athletics Conference...  ??? ::) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 17, 2006, 09:52:18 AM

Right, the NAsCon.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 18, 2006, 08:27:26 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 17, 2006, 09:52:18 AM

Right, the NAsCon.

Is that a department of NASA or a level of defcon?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 18, 2006, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: Old School on April 18, 2006, 08:27:26 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 17, 2006, 09:52:18 AM

Right, the NAsCon.

Is that a department of NASA or a level of defcon?

I like the comparison to NASCAR better.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2006, 08:38:35 PM
In pondering this, we will probably use NATH for our abbreviation in the database and let the North Atlantic Conference retain NAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 19, 2006, 08:55:20 AM

C'mon Pat, you have to use NAsCon; its just awesome!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: dropkick11 on April 20, 2006, 10:39:03 AM
Some news for the NAC(or whatever the things is being called).....A little bird says that both M.S.O.E. and Clarke were not accepted into the MWC....so my guess is they will be trying to get in the NAC again....Anybody hear different...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2006, 09:36:27 AM
dropkick, not objecting, but asking questions for more info.

Wasn't Clarke concerned about the travel involved in the new conference as its geographic center moved north and east?

Do they (Clarke) really have a travel partner?

There are plenty of open dates in the 9-member IIAC.  As antithetical as it seems for me to say, might they fill a schedule with the open dates in the IIAC?

Is Waldorf looking to move to the NCAA and join the IIAC?  (That requires Waldorf fielding teams in all IIAC sports.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: dropkick11 on April 22, 2006, 09:39:16 AM
Just heard that Clarke and M.S.O.E have put in there applications...They were to be members originally but dropped top pursue the MWC which did not come to fruition for either..so they have to re-apply to the NAC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on April 23, 2006, 07:58:22 AM
dropkick, that is what I heard from a faculty member at CUW who should know.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 24, 2006, 11:31:38 AM
I wonder how the other schools in this fledgling conference feel about being Plan B for Clarke and MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warrior_Fish on April 24, 2006, 02:07:29 PM
The NasCON should either:

deny membership to both, letting them flounder as independents
or
charge 3X the membership dues that the charter members have to pay.

What a joke
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2006, 04:11:35 PM

I'm all for that.  They could charge an "expansion fee" like the NFL does.  Sorry, MSOE, you missed out on a chance to be a charter member, so now you have to pay $50,000 to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: matblake on April 24, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
Despite the way the NASCon has been treated by MSOE and Clarke, I think that they should be let in.  Letting them flounder as independents does nothing for the reputation of the new conference (seeing as they currently have no reputation) and I am not sure if the rules of admission allow for charging a different rate for admission.   What might be more fair is to lock Clarke and MSOE into a time commitment to be members of the NASCon, should they be admitted.  

Basically, there are only 2 choices, let them in or don't let them in.  Unfortunately, the administrations of these two schools have potentially reduced the chances of their student athletes to compete in the NCAA Championships.  It will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 24, 2006, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: matblake on April 24, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
Unfortunately, the administrations of these two schools have potentially reduced the chances of their student athletes to compete in the NCAA Championships. 

I'm not up on the other sports, but MSOE had a decent basketball squad this year.  With a good effort and careful scheduling, they might have done alright in Pool B.  You never know.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on April 24, 2006, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on April 24, 2006, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: matblake on April 24, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
Unfortunately, the administrations of these two schools have potentially reduced the chances of their student athletes to compete in the NCAA Championships. 

I'm not up on the other sports, but MSOE had a decent basketball squad this year.  With a good effort and careful scheduling, they might have done alright in Pool B.  You never know.

But they lose both Mikos and Bayiha and that's basically their whole team so I think in 2005 they may have done OK but it's a stretch to say the same for next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: matblake on April 24, 2006, 04:20:53 PM
True, after all, Pool B is the way into the tournament for independents.  Good reminder Hoops Fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: frankiet on May 02, 2006, 09:06:35 AM
Has anyone heard any names going after the Lakeland job?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 02, 2006, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: matblake on April 24, 2006, 04:20:53 PM
True, after all, Pool B is the way into the tournament for independents.  Good reminder Hoops Fan.

The net effect of Pool B in the next 5 years is that it will be dominated by strong independents or transition conferences in transition (like the Interstate 8 7).

In baseball, the Pool B bids have gone to the Capital AC Conference teams like Salisbury.   Aurora is getting another Pool B bid.  The independent with the strongest Pool B baseball history is Chapman.

In basketball, Maryville TN has gone every year.  NJCU went as a Pool B when it had its brain burp in the 2004-05 season.

The number of Pool B bids will be determined by the access ratio which is the number of schools in Pool A conferences divided by the number of conferences.  That number is currently 9+ in basketball.  That means that only 2-3 Pool B bids in basketball will be allocated.

The AD and President at those schools will need to evaluate that consideration for all sports, e.g., soccer, volleyball, softball, baseball.

IMHO, going as an independent is not the way to do it.  My advice is to seek conference affiliation humbly.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 02, 2006, 12:15:28 PM

C'mon Ralph, you know no one cares about anything but football and basketball.  It's all about the big money sports.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: matblake on May 02, 2006, 03:18:17 PM
HF,  I had a co-worker look at me like this  >:( because I laughed out loud. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 02, 2006, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: matblake on May 02, 2006, 03:18:17 PM
HF,  I had a co-worker look at me like this  >:( because I laughed out loud. 

Right on.  Good to know at least one person got it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on May 07, 2006, 10:33:34 PM
Anyone hear who is going for the Lakeland head coaching job???? the boys are in the dark!!! who are they looking at??? why not Wolfe,Sorenson or Nicholas, don't say their age is a drawback the great coach Herb Magee at Philadelphia College of Textiles and Science now called Philadelphia University started at age 25 and is still coaching 40 years later and it's a D2 school. If the AD of Lakeland is out there Let us know!!!! oh by the way Troy Noble ofBlackhawk Moline of the Quad City area is a awesome coach also
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 09, 2006, 08:29:01 AM
Today's Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel has an article on the "NAC" or whatever we're going to call it here.  It's from the viewpoint of MSOE, who along with Clarke, are applying (again) for inclusion into the conference.  They list eight current LMC schools and four from the NIIC.  They say that the NAC is appealing with the NCAA to try to get their AQ right away, instead of waiting two years.  They did mention that MSOE did indeed inquire about joining the MWC, which of course we all know by now, was shot down.  Check it out if you get a chance.  I think you could probably find in online as well. 

I'll keep my eye on the always informative Sheboygan Press (you're swimming in sarcasm here) to see if I hear anything regarding the coaching job out in the cornfields.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: chapdog on May 09, 2006, 10:03:42 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=421919
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 09, 2006, 12:53:43 PM
I blogged about the NathCon.

Also merged the NIIC and LMC boards into this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 09, 2006, 03:51:25 PM

So I guess its NAthCon then?  While I was a huge fan of NAsCon, this will have to do.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on May 09, 2006, 05:52:09 PM
So since MSOE and Clarke are not charter members, provided they gain admission into the NATHCON, as we're now calling it, would they be provisional members for a year? If so it certainly seems like a silly risk both of them made not being charter members and fishing for a new conference as independents.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 09, 2006, 10:27:36 PM
I would've thought they would have made an attempt and guage the interest from the MWC prior to just bailing on the NathCon. 

Also, they mention the fact they have to wait two years (maybe just one) to get into the conference, thus making it harder to get bids into the NCAAs as an independent.  But, if they were to join the league, they'd have to wait anyway since the league has a two-year grace period.  I guess it's just a matter of one more year.

I would guess they would have a provisional year, Dominican did when they jumped from the NIIC to the LMC.  How ironic was that?  Now they're kind of back in the NIIC.  I wonder what their reasons were from swapping conferences in the first place!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2006, 12:39:27 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 09, 2006, 03:51:25 PM

So I guess its NAthCon then?  While I was a huge fan of NAsCon, this will have to do.

You can pretend it's NAsCon with a lisp.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on May 10, 2006, 05:48:45 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2006, 12:39:27 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 09, 2006, 03:51:25 PM

So I guess its NAthCon then?  While I was a huge fan of NAsCon, this will have to do.

You can pretend it's NAsCon with a lisp.

Then maybe the suppliant institute of higher learning in brewtown would do better to advertise themselves as MThOE....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 10, 2006, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: petemcb on May 10, 2006, 05:48:45 PM
Then maybe the suppliant institute of higher learning in brewtown would do better to advertise themselves as MThOE....

Imagine Harry Caray spelling out Milwaukee School of Engineering. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 11, 2006, 01:37:25 AM
Imagine Harry Caray trying to pronounce "Grzesk" ... forwards or backwards.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on May 11, 2006, 07:06:18 AM
Boy, come to think of it, it's a good thing his parents named him Harry Carey, or he might have stumbled over his own name.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 11, 2006, 07:15:04 AM
They actually named him Harry Carabina. I don't know if he shortened it to Harry Caray for showbiz reasons, or because it was easier for him to pronounce.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 11, 2006, 08:31:45 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 11, 2006, 07:15:04 AM
They actually named him Harry Carabina. I don't know if he shortened it to Harry Caray for showbiz reasons, or because it was easier for him to pronounce.

I think we can all agree it was the latter.  A man doesn't have offspring named Skip and Chip if he's a master at pronounciation.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: matblake on May 11, 2006, 09:58:20 AM
The thing Harry did have down is the utter scorn for a batter popping up with runners on base.  "Popped it up!  >:("  That explosiveness on the initial P made it seem as if he was cursing the offender's existence.  Almost as effective was his double play call.  If the ball was hit to short, he would just get to the shortstop's name as the throw from 2nd was reaching the first baseman's glove. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: matblake on May 11, 2006, 12:54:02 PM
Here is a funny Harry Caray website.
http://www.powermaxconsulting.com/harrycaray.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on May 11, 2006, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Old School on May 09, 2006, 08:29:01 AM
Today's Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel has an article on the "NAC" or whatever we're going to call it here.  It's from the viewpoint of MSOE, who along with Clarke, are applying (again) for inclusion into the conference.  They list eight current LMC schools and four from the NIIC.  They say that the NAC is appealing with the NCAA to try to get their AQ right away, instead of waiting two years.  They did mention that MSOE did indeed inquire about joining the MWC, which of course we all know by now, was shot down.  Check it out if you get a chance.  I think you could probably find in online as well. 

I'll keep my eye on the always informative Sheboygan Press (you're swimming in sarcasm here) to see if I hear anything regarding the coaching job out in the cornfields.

What are the chances of the appeal being approved, regarding the AQ?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 11, 2006, 10:05:18 PM
I'm not familar with the rules of the NCAA and the appeals process, but the "new" NAC has eight of the nine original members of the LMC...so it seems they are just basically adding four new members to the original conference and changing the name!  I think if they had just kept the name, which is unfair to the NIIC teams joining, they would've kept their AQ.  or, I could just be talking out of my butt!  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2006, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Old School on May 11, 2006, 10:05:18 PM
I'm not familar with the rules of the NCAA and the appeals process, but the "new" NAC has eight of the nine original members of the LMC...so it seems they are just basically adding four new members to the original conference and changing the name!  I think if they had just kept the name, which is unfair to the NIIC teams joining, they would've kept their AQ.  or, I could just be talking out of my butt!  ::)

OS, I agree about the Lake Michigan Conference keeping its name.

It is a fundamental issue of identity.  If you are the Lake Michigan Conference, then annex the new members, keep your charter for a few years and then change the name as the Dixie AIC did a few years ago.

What you are telling me by taking a whole new name is that you are a new creature.  It is all about the AQ anyway!

One question...Do you really think that the consultant who told you to chunk both names, to adopt a new very non-specific geographic moniker, and to lose the AQ for all sports for 2 years really earned his/her consultancy fee? 

He did not know that the abbrevaition of "NAC" had already been taken on the most influential website covering D3 athtleics.

Did the consultant tell you that becoming the Northern Athletics Conference would be a tremendous improvement over the "LMC" and the "NIIC", especially since "central Illnois" went to the SLIAC and "Iowa" did not want to come?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 12, 2006, 04:52:17 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2006, 10:57:24 PMOne question...Do you really think that the consultant who told you to chunk both names, to adopt a new very non-specific geographic moniker, and to lose the AQ for all sports for 2 years really earned his/her consultancy fee? 

He did not know that the abbrevaition of "NAC" had already been taken on the most influential website covering D3 athtleics.

Did the consultant tell you that becoming the Northern Athletics Conference would be a tremendous improvement over the "LMC" and the "NIIC", especially since "central Illnois" went to the SLIAC and "Iowa" did not want to come?

I wonder if the consultant also told the member schools that it would be to their advantage to enact a total news embargo. It's almost as though what little information has come out at all has been leaked rather than submitted as press releases. Pat's continued protestations that no information whatsoever has been forthcoming from the new league or its members indicate to me that the league either doesn't want public attention, or has no clue as to how to get it. Sure, D3 is the caboose on the NCAA train, but how hard is it to send updates to the one information source that's actually dedicated exclusively to the caboose?

Speaking simply as a news consumer with an active interest in D3 athletics, to me the entire PR aspect of this new league's formation carries the unmistakable odor of incompetence.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 12, 2006, 07:52:05 AM
I'm sure this consultant has no idea this site exists!  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 12, 2006, 09:47:56 AM
Quote from: Old School on May 12, 2006, 07:52:05 AM
I'm sure this consultant has no idea this site exists!  ???

It appears to me that the consultant had little if any idea that the NCAA exists.  This was just a bonehead move.


Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 12, 2006, 04:52:17 AM
Sure, D3 is the caboose on the NCAA train,

I have to believe that D1-AAA football is the caboose.  Heck I didn't even know it existed until this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2006, 02:20:27 PM
Inspired by a request on the NIIC baseball board, here's a compilation of the NAthCon men's basketball standings for 2005-06, taking each team's schedule and tallying the wins and losses against future conference foes:

Lakeland 21-6, 13-1 LMC, 13-4 NAthCon
Aurora 16-11, 9-3 NIIC, 6-2 NAthCon
Wisconsin Lutheran 14-15, 8-6 LMC, 11-6 NAthCon
Edgewood 15-12, 8-6 LMC, 10-6 NAthCon
Concordia (Wis.) 8-16, 6-8 LMC, 8-7 NAthCon
Dominican 13-13, 6-8 LMC, 8-8 NAthCon
Rockford 15-12, 6-6 NIIC, 5-5 NAthCon
Marian 10-17, 5-8 LMC, 6-9 NAthCon
Concordia (Ill.) 11-16, 6-6 NIIC, 4-7 NAthCon
Benedictine 10-15, 3-8 NIIC, 3-7 NAthCon
Maranatha Baptist 1-24, 0-14 LMC, 0-13 NAthCon

This includes the teams' various conference tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2006, 08:49:14 PM
Edgewood reports Larson to be named commissioner of the league:
http://www.d3hoops.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 22, 2006, 12:31:48 PM
Can it be?  Are we going to get some news from the NAsthCon?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 23, 2006, 07:47:28 AM
It's reported in today's Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel that MSOE has been accepted into the new conference, starting with the 2007-2008 academic year...thus, MSOE will play as an independent next year.  Clarke's application has been tabled for December.

New Conference Accepts MSOE (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=426091)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cwm1276 on May 23, 2006, 08:54:23 AM
Check this out:
http://northernathleticsconf.com
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2006, 08:59:45 AM

They really are using NAC as their abbreviation?  I emailed the new commissioner to inform his it was already taken.  We'll see what they decide.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 23, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
From the new wesbiste:

"The Northern Athletics Conference, an NCAA Division III member conference, will be eligible for automatic NCAA postseason berths in 2008-09. For the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons the NAC will gain access to the NCAA postseason through both independent (Pool B) and at-large (Pool C) berths."
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2006, 10:23:34 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 23, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
For the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons the NAC will gain access to the NCAA postseason through both independent (Pool B) and at-large (Pool C) berths."

That's a bit presumptuous isn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 23, 2006, 10:45:52 AM
I guess they'll be good enough to get two bids! lol. ;D...one for the former LMC members and one for the former NIIC members?  ??? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 23, 2006, 03:01:46 PM
They can use NAC for themselves if they like but we're not going to.

Similarly, the MAC sent out a release a couple weeks ago as the "MASCAC" and we didn't print it that way. I am pretty sure the Massachusetts folks have claim to that moniker.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2006, 04:08:48 PM

Ah yes, the good old Middle Atlantic States Collegiate Athletics Corporation.  Such a blatant ripoff of an utterly mediocre league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2006, 07:19:59 PM
The situation with Clarke is not as clean as with MSOE.  Clarke is really geographically isolated from the balance of the new conference.  As a member of the NIIC, they had some leverage as a member of the NIIC conference.

Do they have as much leverage as an independent?

Is that long road trip to Dubuque really necessary to fill out a schedule?  For basketball, they can go double round-robin and get 22 games for the women and 20 for the men!

Even in divisions, that means at least more conference games than they have now.

Now we are talking classtime for the students and the cost of diesel for the busses.

The travel question may come up as they consider the application.  I really suspect that Clarke did not recognize their value to the NIIC relative to the value of the NIIC to them.

I won't place odds, but I will not be surprised if the NAthCon says "thanks but no thanks". 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 23, 2006, 09:25:11 PM

Yeah.  I'll give Clarke more credit though.  I think they knew it was MWC or bust for them.  I'm guessing this attempt at joining the NAsCon is more to appease certain parties.  I think it is in their best interests to pursue other options.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2006, 12:00:16 AM
What are those options, though? The IIAC requires that all schools sponsor all 18 sports, which means Clarke would have to add football.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on May 24, 2006, 12:07:36 AM
Both MSOE and Clarke had a chance to join the new league when the LMC and NIIC merged - but unlike the other schools, they wanted to try to get into the MWC. The NAC is giving MSOE a gift by letting them in after one year of playing as an independent - especially since they walked out of one of the meetings where the new league was being discussed. MSOE and Clarke deserve absolutely nothing from the new league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2006, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2006, 12:00:16 AM
What are those options, though? The IIAC requires that all schools sponsor all 18 sports, which means Clarke would have to add football.

All that saved travel might be worth adding football.  I'm sure there's a decent number of people who wouldn't mind seeing it added anyway.  Maybe this is all a giant conspiracy to force the school to add a football program?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on May 24, 2006, 11:09:01 AM
please add football!!
Can you imagine the drive from Lakeland to Clarke??? JEEZ!! Clarke has a natural rivalry with UD anyway, with Davidson leaving Dubuqque for Clarke..the Loras/UD/CLarke games are always well attended, make sense......
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 24, 2006, 06:56:19 PM
Lakeland to Clarke is still shorter than Lawrence or St. Norbert to Grinnell. Yet you don't hear a lot of complaining about it in the MWC. Complaints about "The System" perhaps but not the travel.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on May 25, 2006, 12:04:45 AM
not much reason to complain about a trip when you have to take it - but since the Lakeland to Clarke trip isn't a reality at this point, it seems smart to me to try whatever to avoid it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on May 25, 2006, 10:24:12 AM
Quote from: "The Roop" on May 24, 2006, 06:56:19 PM
Lakeland to Clarke is still shorter than Lawrence or St. Norbert to Grinnell. Yet you don't hear a lot of complaining about it in the MWC. Complaints about "The System" perhaps but not the travel.

true..and I'm not sure if Grinnell was added to that conference later, or was a founding member, or what have you....but since Clarke is not in that conference, my point would be to try and avoid it if possible.....I'm sure they could get a football team up and running over there, and it would boost enrollment a bit as well...recruiting wise, the basketball team is always getting players from all over the nation (when I played at UD, they had 5-6 kids from New Orleans in 3 years), so that might help
and that basketball team (men's) would be competitive in the IIAC right away
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 25, 2006, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2006, 12:00:16 AM
What are those options, though? The IIAC requires that all schools sponsor all 18 sports, which means Clarke would have to add football.
What a strange rule?  I understand requiring a minimum number of sports, but to say "all or nothing" seems very weird.  Anyone know the ratinale behind that IIAC rule?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 25, 2006, 11:26:00 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 25, 2006, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2006, 12:00:16 AM
What are those options, though? The IIAC requires that all schools sponsor all 18 sports, which means Clarke would have to add football.
What a strange rule?  I understand requiring a minimum number of sports, but to say "all or nothing" seems very weird.  Anyone know the ratinale behind that IIAC rule?

Because they can.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
I don't know the reason, but the "all or nothing" ensures that there are sufficient competitors for the conference sponsored sports to make the AQ, and it levels the field by requiring some support in all areas.

Clarke needs to look at the opening in the 9-team IIAC.  It would be a very good time to fill that opening.  Does Waldorf have any plans to move to D3? A 10-team conference probably is less enthusiastic about adding a team than a 9-team conference, what with open dates, trying to find a second non-conference football game, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 25, 2006, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2006, 11:29:32 AM
I don't know the reason, but the "all or nothing" ensures that there are sufficient competitors for the conference sponsored sports to make the AQ, and it levels the field by requiring some support in all areas.
Strange!  I've never even heard of a league where every school competes in every sport.  Even the big boys (Big Ten, SEC, etc.) have schools that don't play all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 25, 2006, 04:12:22 PM
Does Clarke even have the facilities/resources for a football program. At the DIII level you are lucky if you take in enough to cover your gas money for the year. Since lots of schools don't even charge admission they don't take in anything. So it would probably cheaper to just pay the IIAC $500,000 a year and not have a team than it would be to start a program from scratch and fund it every year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 04:36:57 PM
You don't think bringing in 80 male tuition payers covers some costs?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on May 25, 2006, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: "The Roop" on May 25, 2006, 04:12:22 PM
Does Clarke even have the facilities/resources for a football program. At the DIII level you are lucky if you take in enough to cover your gas money for the year. Since lots of schools don't even charge admission they don't take in anything. So it would probably cheaper to just pay the IIAC $500,000 a year and not have a team than it would be to start a program from scratch and fund it every year.


Clarke is about 100 feet from a large high school, with a football field that is as little worse than most in the IIAC....I think they could work something out of they needed too (drop some cash for field renovation and upkeep, practice in the morning, or under the lights, etc and share the field) and based on UD's football teams impact on enrollment (I think UD had over 100 kids last year), you could get something in a few years
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 25, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
When Stevens Point played in the Clarke College Holiday tourney, a little trivial information was that there are something like NINE colleges/universities in Dubuque area!  I don't anything about Dubuque, Clarke, Loras etc in the area, but I'm sure if need be, they could share facilities...and that doesn't include the access to high school facilities that keith mentioned.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on May 25, 2006, 05:31:50 PM
Quote from: Old School on May 25, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
When Stevens Point played in the Clarke College Holiday tourney, a little trivial information was that there are something like NINE colleges/universities in Dubuque area!  I don't anything about Dubuque, Clarke, Loras etc in the area, but I'm sure if need be, they could share facilities...and that doesn't include the access to high school facilities that keith mentioned.

Clarke, UD, Loras, UW-Platt, Emmaus, 1 junior college, 1 hair school (lol) and 2 seminaries..in a town of 75,000 (Platt and the juco are about 10 miles outside of town, opposite directions)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 25, 2006, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 04:36:57 PM
You don't think bringing in 80 male tuition payers covers some costs?

I agree that adding a football team would increase enrollment, but you can also increase enrollment by accepting 80 that might normally be denied admission. Then there's no expense of a football team.

I'm sure Clarke would prefer to join a conference but considering the Pool B criteria they might be better off as an independent given their geographic location. After all, everybody needs in region non conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 08:22:17 PM
Merely accepting 80 more people does not translate into 80 more students.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 25, 2006, 09:24:13 PM
Price of aluminum is pretty high right now. How about mandatory recycling on campus and they don't need to accept anybody.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 25, 2006, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 08:22:17 PM
Merely accepting 80 more people does not translate into 80 more students.

Neither does having 80 fb players.  Some would already be there for track, bball, wrestling (or simply because they are already there!); likewise, some (most?) will be receiving merit and or need-based scholarships.

80 fb players may or may not raise any more revenue than 80 more of any other kind of students, but would certainly cost more.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 10:18:03 PM
Actually, Mr. Ypsi, that isn't likely to be true. While they might get 10 people of that sort from the campus community at large, they are truly likely to bring in at least 80 people if they want.

Most startup Division III football programs have more like 100 incoming players the first season. I chose 80 to cover the possibility of "walk-ons" already existing on campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 25, 2006, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 10:18:03 PM
Actually, Mr. Ypsi, that isn't likely to be true. While they might get 10 people of that sort from the campus community at large, they are truly likely to bring in at least 80 people if they want.

Most startup Division III football programs have more like 100 incoming players the first season. I chose 80 to cover the possibility of "walk-ons" already existing on campus.

Those numbers just don't 'feel' right to me, but you are The Guru, so I'll take your word for it!

Still, "The Roop" is correct that 80 students enrolled some other way (though hopefully not by lowering standards) would achieve the same benefit without the extra costs.

Football is a mixed blessing.  Eastern Michigan would (IMO) be MUCH better off if they dropped it.  With the Michigan Wolverines casting a HUGE shadow from just 8 miles away, they are never going to be more than intermittently decent.  It is a HUGE drain on the athletic department (and, therefore, on the university).  They were recently caught in an 'attendance inflation' scandal (often MORE than 100% inflated).  Since their REAL attendance is less than 8,000 per game (and I've attended games where there were fewer fans than the average IWU game from 40 years ago), they are going to get kicked out of d1 anyway - guys, cut your losses!  [The downside is that I'm pretty sure the Mid-American Conference requires football.]
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 25, 2006, 11:12:02 PM
Here's details on a couple of recently started programs, from a story in the Stagg Bowl game program.

QuoteMary Hardin-Baylor, in Belton, Texas, was a women's school for more than 100 years before going co-ed in 1971. "Our enrollment was predominantly female, so we wanted to create an increased male base," Bawcom says. "We also wanted to change the social environment on campus on weekends, especially in the fall semester, with the game, the pep rallies and the rest of the experience."

"They felt like they needed a venue that would bring the students together," Mary Hardin-Baylor coach Pete Fredenburg adds. "It didn't materialize early but it has since, and that has to make the decision-makers pleased. Those factors and just to get the university some awareness in the public of things (aside from football) that were going on here."

The recruiting goals were modest. With an initial outlay of $1 million, the school felt it needed 65 incoming freshmen in the initial class in order to accommodate the budget. Instead, 200 new students arrived. "Not only did we have ourselves covered, but we could begin a junior varsity team," Bawcom says.

QuoteThe success stories are not lost on other startup programs. LaGrange College, about 60 miles southwest of Atlanta, has had coach Todd Mooney in place since the beginning of March and takes the field in 2006. Mooney knows what other schools have accomplished but isn't ready to say it will be able to repeat the success of CNU or UMHB. "It certainly shows you that you can do things in a relatively quick manner. We want to be competitive and win as soon as we can. But we need to be mindful that this is an academic institution and want to bring in kids that are going to be a positive influence, both in the school and community."

His school announced an enrollment of 1,046 students for the fall semester of 2005, with plans to approach 1,200 by 2008. Mooney expects to have between 100 and 110 players when camp opens next August. But it's not only about bringing in warm bodies. "As new as we are and with the resources they're putting into this, the last thing we want to do is bring some kids on campus that cause us some black eyes real quick," says Mooney. "We're really looking into the character of the kids we recruit."
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2006, 12:15:53 AM
Gotcha - and I might agree if EMU was d3!

It might well be a viable strategy for struggling-for-males d3 schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 26, 2006, 01:47:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2006, 12:15:53 AMIt might well be a viable strategy for struggling-for-males d3 schools.

Struggling-for-males D3 schools = just about every coed D3 school, Chuck. The gender imbalance in American colleges and universities is reaching crisis proportions in the view of those who consider something within the ballpark of 50/50 to be indicative of healthy campus life.

The female/male ratio at the school where you teach is 60/40 and your alma mater's is 57/43, and my alma mater's is 62/38. And those are considered to be well-balanced numbers by current standards. Clarke's current female/male ratio is 71/29. That's a great ratio if you're a 19-year-old Clarke male looking to get a date, but it's almost certainly not a ratio of which Clarke's administrators approve.

Clarke, like Mary Hardin-Baylor, used to be a women's school (Clarke went coed in 1979), which means that the school's admissions office is fighting history and local perception as well as the current gender imbalance trends in higher education. A football team could be just the ticket to bring an infusion of testosterone onto that campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2006, 03:58:52 AM
Greg, where is your source for male/female attendance ratios?  I would love to bookmark that.

As for UMHB, football definitely changed to image of "used to be an all-girl college".  They have actually continued to grow with very good success on the I-35 corridor.

Concordia-Austin is looking to add football when they move to another campus.  The (Roger) Staubach Group is assisting with that re-location from some very expensive landlocked real estate to a suburban venue.  I understand that it will help CUA's male:female ratio as well.

As for Clarke, they look like they need a football team badly, for many reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 26, 2006, 04:17:11 AM
I get most of the school-specific stats I cite (especially in the areas of finances and enrollment) thru the online version of Peterson's Guide, which is at www.petersons.com
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 26, 2006, 08:25:36 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 26, 2006, 01:47:04 AM
Clarke's current female/male ratio is 71/29. That's a great ratio if you're a 19-year-old Clarke male looking to get a date, but it's almost certainly not a ratio of which Clarke's administrators approve.

I'm going back to school...to Clarke.  And since I still get carded at Walmart, and other various stores, to buy rated R movies, that qualifies me as at least looking like I'm 19.  I walk into a liquor store and I get carded before I even get in line.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 26, 2006, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: Old School on May 26, 2006, 08:25:36 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 26, 2006, 01:47:04 AM
Clarke's current female/male ratio is 71/29. That's a great ratio if you're a 19-year-old Clarke male looking to get a date, but it's almost certainly not a ratio of which Clarke's administrators approve.

I'm going back to school...to Clarke.  And since I still get carded at Walmart, and other various stores, to buy rated R movies, that qualifies me as at least looking like I'm 19.  I walk into a liquor store and I get carded before I even get in line.  :'(

Are you sure they're not stopping you because you appear blatantly drunk already?  I mean there could just be something wierd about the way you walk.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cwm1276 on May 26, 2006, 11:22:30 AM
For Rockford, football had 100 players its first year it deemed to drop a little since but still around 80+.  I graduated the year before football started, also while the Basketball teams sucked and the soccer teams were good.  Hardly anyone went to basketball games or the soccer games, but football draws 700+ per game. Not a huge number but many of them are alumni or parents paying to get into the game, while the other sports have nearly dropped any admission cost.
I would expect simlar for Clarke, Rockford even started for 2 years playing at High Schools 2-5 miles from campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2006, 11:41:29 AM
Quote from: cwm1276 on May 26, 2006, 11:22:30 AM
For Rockford, football had 100 players its first year it deemed to drop a little since but still around 80+.  I graduated the year before football started, also while the Basketball teams sucked and the soccer teams were good.  Hardly anyone went to basketball games or the soccer games, but football draws 700+ per game. Not a huge number but many of them are alumni or parents paying to get into the game, while the other sports have nearly dropped any admission cost.
I would expect simlar for Clarke, Rockford even started for 2 years playing at High Schools 2-5 miles from campus.

Yes and alums come back to the campus to be with friends and enjoy the wonderful fellowship.  You get a chance to catch up on a lot memories during a game.

That is a sense of community that pays for itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 26, 2006, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 26, 2006, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: Old School on May 26, 2006, 08:25:36 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 26, 2006, 01:47:04 AM
Clarke's current female/male ratio is 71/29. That's a great ratio if you're a 19-year-old Clarke male looking to get a date, but it's almost certainly not a ratio of which Clarke's administrators approve.

I'm going back to school...to Clarke.  And since I still get carded at Walmart, and other various stores, to buy rated R movies, that qualifies me as at least looking like I'm 19.  I walk into a liquor store and I get carded before I even get in line.  :'(

Are you sure they're not stopping you because you appear blatantly drunk already?  I mean there could just be something wierd about the way you walk.

Ha, Ha, and Ha.... nicely done gentlemen. :)

Wheaton keeps it's admissions ratio at 51/49 either way, and no higher. In other words, it's a lot easier to get in if you are a guy. I think they do that so the maximum number of people can get paired off.  ::) :D

Obviously it didn't work for me. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 26, 2006, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on May 26, 2006, 12:21:52 PM
In other words, it's a lot easier to get in if you are a guy. I think they do that so the maximum number of people can get paired off.

Obviously it didn't work for me.

I think you answered your own question there, April.  Who wants a Wheaton guy when they are obviously not up to the standards of Wheaton women?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on May 26, 2006, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 26, 2006, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on May 26, 2006, 12:21:52 PM
In other words, it's a lot easier to get in if you are a guy. I think they do that so the maximum number of people can get paired off.

Obviously it didn't work for me.

I think you answered your own question there, April.  Who wants a Wheaton guy when they are obviously not up to the standards of Wheaton women?

There are other standards for what makes a good husband besides GPA and SAT score :P :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 26, 2006, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on May 26, 2006, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 26, 2006, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on May 26, 2006, 12:21:52 PM
In other words, it's a lot easier to get in if you are a guy. I think they do that so the maximum number of people can get paired off.

Obviously it didn't work for me.

I think you answered your own question there, April.  Who wants a Wheaton guy when they are obviously not up to the standards of Wheaton women?

There are other standards for what makes a good husband besides GPA and SAT score

Are you implying that those are the only things Wheaton looks for in an applicant?  I would assume that your admissions office would have a lot to say about potential students being well rounded and versed in many facets of life, leading to a cultural community where all can learn from the diverse experiences of others.

You know, or some other PC crap of the like.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2006, 08:52:59 PM
You guys have made some excellent arguments for football at d3 schools.

Eastern Michigan (alas) is not d3 - football here is an expensive travesty.  While continuing to throw away millions each year in football, they are laying off faculty (and because of the inherent imbalance caused by football, title 9 compliance 'required' them to shut down the men's soccer team).

Greg, 'the school where you teach' may need to be changed to 'the school where you taught' - while nothing is finalized yet, it appears that I am being 'downsized' after 32 years of loyalty.  Meanwhile, they flush away millions on a football program that sometimes draws less than 2,000 fans.  Even their HONEST accounting of less than 8,000 per game includes MORE than half which are freebies - they SELL less than 3,000 tickets a game, sometimes far less.

If I sound bitter, it is because I am.  Good school, but an administration I can't properly describe without being booted from d3sports.com!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2006, 09:21:23 PM
Yuck.

Hope they gave you a good buyout offer, man, that sucks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 26, 2006, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2006, 09:21:23 PM
Yuck.

Hope they gave you a good buyout offer, man, that sucks.

Pat, thanks for the support.

Turns out they did (though I'm sure unwittingly) - our union contract (which I spent thousands of dollars and 9 years of my life to achieve) states "Any Employee may be terminated without cause in mid-appointment, in which case the University shall pay the Employee an amount equal to 135% of the unpaid wages for the remainder of his/her employment."  Someone didn't notice that I was only at the end of year one on a two-year contract!  Unless they can come up with some loophole, I'll consider it an early retirement buy-out!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 27, 2006, 01:40:15 AM
Wow, really?  I'm sorry to hear about your misfortunes...or fortunes! lol.  Hope all goes well for future employment...or retirement. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on May 29, 2006, 08:52:48 PM
 I thought this was a basketball chat board? Heard Lakeland has a new coach (men's basketball)!!! When are we going to get the offical word? ??? About time though, now let's get busy!!!!! ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 30, 2006, 04:33:10 AM
I'm sorry to learn of your parting of the ways with EMU as well, Chuck. It's particularly disturbing to see a non-profit institution discard so many years of an employee's loyal service in that manner. However, I'm glad that you have a nice golden parachute coming your way.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 30, 2006, 08:50:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on May 25, 2006, 10:59:24 PM
Still, "The Roop" is correct that 80 students enrolled some other way (though hopefully not by lowering standards) would achieve the same benefit without the extra costs.

I doubt that the next 80 in line would be grossly underqualified to get in. It's really a matter of capacity isn't it. Do they even have the facilities, classrooms and housing, to grow at all?? That more than anything limits enrollments for schools the size of Clarke.

Last I heard they weren't exactly winning the endowment game. So where does the money come from to expand and increase enrollment; whether it be a football team or otherwise.



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 30, 2006, 02:55:43 PM
Release on Lakeland's new men's basketball coach (Not ex-Tar Heel Joe Wolf as many speculated);

http://www.lakeland.edu/AboutUs/news.asp?article=1946
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 30, 2006, 08:09:49 PM
Just Bill,

You beat me to it!  Not sure how Lakeland will be this upcoming year.  They lose two starting seniors.  They also didn't fair too well against ex-NIIC teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 30, 2006, 08:50:54 PM
Marian underacheived last year and Aurora returns lots of talent. I look for those two to be contenders in the new conference. No Pool Cs coming out but there could be 2 Pool Bs.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on May 31, 2006, 12:14:09 AM
Quote from: Old School on May 30, 2006, 08:09:49 PM
Not sure how Lakeland will be this upcoming year. They lose two starting seniors.

With Grzesk's departure, who knows who else will be lost as well. Nothing against the new guy, that's just how college basketball works.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2006, 02:18:21 AM
I wouldn't count Lakeland out so soon. They really struck me last year as a team that was made up of interchangeable parts, with no real standouts apart from Germayne James -- and he wasn't someone whose numbers were irreplaceably high. It's sometimes tough to transition to a new coach, especially one who has never been the guy in charge before, but if a team returns plenty of experienced players it can make up for that with its leadership on the floor. Lakeland returns eight players next year who averaged double figures in minutes played. I see them as a genuine NAthCon contender in 2006-07.

Kyle Brumett looks like he has good credentials, as D3 head-coach newbies go. My questions about his chances for success would revolve around recruiting. He's an Indiana boy who has spent his entire playing and coaching career in the southern part of that state (Hanover, Southern Indiana, DePauw). That's a long way from Wisconsin. Recruiting for Lakeland is no easy thing even for an experienced Wisconsinite, seeing as how WIAC teams get first dibs at most instate D3-level players, with Ripon, Lawrence, Carthage, and now Carroll also further up the prestige ladder than the Muskies (and look for St. Norbert under former Lakeland coach Gary Grzesk to start landing some nice recruits as well). Brumett faces a very steep learning curve in terms of recruiting at his new post.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 31, 2006, 08:43:20 AM

Speaking of NathCon contenders, what did MSOE lose last year... oh wait... nevermind.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 31, 2006, 05:13:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 31, 2006, 08:43:20 AM

Speaking of NathCon contenders, what did MSOE lose last year... oh wait... nevermind.

Nice one Hoops Fan.  With that little shot at MSOE, I'll still answer the question.  They lose both Jeff Mikos and Sleepy (on defense) Floyd Bayiha.  Scott Murphy returns and he (5 times) along with Jake Gay (joint game high scorer twice) and Jamal Sabree (2) also led the team in scoring just a handful of times.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2006, 02:18:21 AM
I wouldn't count Lakeland out so soon. They really struck me last year as a team that was made up of interchangeable parts, with no real standouts apart from Germayne James -- and he wasn't someone whose numbers were irreplaceably high.

They did have a very balanced team and if Brumett can keep the same philosophy using ball movement, unselfishness, motion offense and all that, they should still pretty good next year in the new conference.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2006, 02:18:21 AM
Recruiting for Lakeland is no easy thing even for an experienced Wisconsinite, seeing as how WIAC teams get first dibs at most instate D3-level players, with Ripon, Lawrence, Carthage, and now Carroll also further up the prestige ladder than the Muskies (and look for St. Norbert under former Lakeland coach Gary Grzesk to start landing some nice recruits as well).
 

And you didn't even mention any of the old LMC rivals who's colleges may have better "perks" (WLC, Concordia (WI) have the Milwaukee area, Edgewood as Mad City, and even Marian is actually located in the city of Fond du Lac).

Quote from: "The Roop" on May 30, 2006, 08:50:54 PM
Marian underacheived last year and Aurora returns lots of talent. I look for those two to be contenders in the new conference. No Pool Cs coming out but there could be 2 Pool Bs.

Don't they only get ONE Pool B as a conference with no automatic qualifier?  Or because they have so many teams, they get two?  Is there a cut off when you get an extra bid (12)?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 31, 2006, 06:47:13 PM

I actually forgot MSOE wasn't elligible for the conference this year, but it turned out to be funny.


And all the Pool B's can come from one conference, no matter the size, it just depends on how good the teams are.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 31, 2006, 07:12:45 PM
Quote from: Old School on May 31, 2006, 05:13:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 31, 2006, 08:43:20 AM

Speaking of NathCon contenders, what did MSOE lose last year... oh wait... nevermind.

Nice one Hoops Fan.  With that little shot at MSOE, I'll still answer the question.  They lose both Jeff Mikos and Sleepy (on defense) Floyd Bayiha.  Scott Murphy returns and he (5 times) along with Jake Gay (joint game high scorer twice) and Jamal Sabree (2) also led the team in scoring just a handful of times.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2006, 02:18:21 AM
I wouldn't count Lakeland out so soon. They really struck me last year as a team that was made up of interchangeable parts, with no real standouts apart from Germayne James -- and he wasn't someone whose numbers were irreplaceably high.

They did have a very balanced team and if Brumett can keep the same philosophy using ball movement, unselfishness, motion offense and all that, they should still pretty good next year in the new conference.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2006, 02:18:21 AM
Recruiting for Lakeland is no easy thing even for an experienced Wisconsinite, seeing as how WIAC teams get first dibs at most instate D3-level players, with Ripon, Lawrence, Carthage, and now Carroll also further up the prestige ladder than the Muskies (and look for St. Norbert under former Lakeland coach Gary Grzesk to start landing some nice recruits as well).
 

And you didn't even mention any of the old LMC rivals who's colleges may have better "perks" (WLC, Concordia (WI) have the Milwaukee area, Edgewood as Mad City, and even Marian is actually located in the city of Fond du Lac).

Quote from: "The Roop" on May 30, 2006, 08:50:54 PM
Marian underacheived last year and Aurora returns lots of talent. I look for those two to be contenders in the new conference. No Pool Cs coming out but there could be 2 Pool Bs.

Don't they only get ONE Pool B as a conference with no automatic qualifier?  Or because they have so many teams, they get two?  Is there a cut off when you get an extra bid (12)?

Old school, there is no limit to the number of teams that may get a Pool B bid from a single conference.

My first impression is that the LMC's going to Pool B is offset by the NEAC moving to Pool A.  We should find out in the summer if the NEAC has been recognized as a Pool A conference.  That still leaves 4 Pool B bids.  The NAthCon members will be impacted by their QOWI, especially if they schedule most of their non-conference games with the CCIW, WIAC and maybe the MWC teams.  If 2 NAthCon teams run away with the conference, then we might see 2 bids.

Villa Julie (in the North Eastern AC) should be Pool A.
Bethany in the Presidents AC will be back for one more year in Pool B.
Maryville TN will probably reload.
Finally, Lincoln may have the horses after Myrick and crew have left.  Lincoln is headed to D2 in 2007-08.

Those are last year's Pool B's.  This year's will be interesting!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 31, 2006, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 31, 2006, 06:47:13 PM
I actually forgot MSOE wasn't elligible for the conference this year, but it turned out to be funny.

So what was the point of that post then if it wasn't supposed to be funny?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 31, 2006, 07:25:37 PM
Quote from: Old School on May 31, 2006, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on May 31, 2006, 06:47:13 PM
I actually forgot MSOE wasn't elligible for the conference this year, but it turned out to be funny.

So what was the point of that post then if it wasn't supposed to be funny?

I was originally going to ask about MSOE's chances, then while I was typing, I realized my mistake.  Instead of erasing the post, I decided it would still be funny to just end it and let the irony do the talking.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2006, 09:03:22 PM
The new Landmark Conference sounds way better than the Northern Athletics Conference.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 08:55:54 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 13, 2006, 09:03:22 PM
The new Landmark Conference sounds way better than the Northern Athletics Conference.

Although decidedly more pretentious.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2006, 09:05:17 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 14, 2006, 08:55:54 AM
Quote from: Old School on June 13, 2006, 09:03:22 PM
The new Landmark Conference sounds way better than the Northern Athletics Conference.

Although decidedly more pretentious.

And I looked for some of those famous landmarks that were near those campuses and did not see the Alamo, or the Monument at San Jacinto, or the Battleship Texas, or the Stagecoach Inn, or Ft Phantom Hill, or Enchanted Rock, or the McDonald Observatory, or the Marfa Lights, or even Perini's Steak House near Historic Buffalo Gap Village...

Must be a different set of Landmarks... ???  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 09:12:26 AM

Ralph, is it sad that I've only even heard of three of those?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2006, 09:27:20 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 14, 2006, 09:12:26 AM

Ralph, is it sad that I've only even heard of three of those?
No, not sad, just not Native Texan! ;) :)

The Stagecoach Inn is in Salado near UMHB.
Fort Phantom Hill ruins are north of Abilene.  McMurry has a "living history" exhibit with 1856 Cavalry "re-enactors" there.
Enchanted Rock is a geologic and topographical landmark, a granite dome between Schreiner and Trinity/Southwestern/Concordia-Austin.
The McDonald Observatory and Marfa Lights are near Sul Ross State.
Perini's Staek House is in Buffalo Gap, a small town 15 minutes south of Abilene where McMurry has a history exhibit in an 1880's preservation community. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 14, 2006, 09:28:38 AM

What about the Alamo?  What the heck is that?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 14, 2006, 09:36:51 AM
Lakeland College changes locations!!!

Apparently with the move to a difference/new conference, Lakeland College has also decided to relocate from Sheboygan to Plymouth, according to the new Northern Athletics Conference webpage.

Of course, the closest town to the actual campus is probably Howard's Grove, unless you count Franklin, and not the Milwaukee-area Franklin.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 15, 2006, 02:16:06 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 14, 2006, 09:28:38 AM

What about the Alamo?  What the heck is that?

I think it's a rental car company.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 08:45:17 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 15, 2006, 02:16:06 AM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 14, 2006, 09:28:38 AM

What about the Alamo?  What the heck is that?

I think it's a rental car company.

Right, right.  I think I've used them before.  They have that little booth there in the airport.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 15, 2006, 01:17:35 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 15, 2006, 08:45:17 AM
Right, right.  I think I've used them before.  They have that little booth there in the airport.

I like Enterprise. The guys wear shirts and ties... and in Chicago in the winters they wear long wool coats.  :-*

Ralph, I've heard of a few of those, and haven't been to Texas since I was like... 6. Do I win a prize?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: matblake on June 15, 2006, 02:19:57 PM
Don't fall into the trap of using Hotwire or Expedia or such for rental cars.  Each time I have done some investigating the prices are identical to the website of the company.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: matblake on June 15, 2006, 02:19:57 PM
Don't fall into the trap of using Hotwire or Expedia or such for rental cars.  Each time I have done some investigating the prices are identical to the website of the company.

Very true, but expedia (at least, not sure about hotwire) only takes reservations and doesn't even require a credit card number, so you're not actually paying anything until you show up anyway, so no harm done.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 15, 2006, 02:31:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 15, 2006, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: matblake on June 15, 2006, 02:19:57 PM
Don't fall into the trap of using Hotwire or Expedia or such for rental cars. Each time I have done some investigating the prices are identical to the website of the company.

Very true, but expedia (at least, not sure about hotwire) only takes reservations and doesn't even require a credit card number, so you're not actually paying anything until you show up anyway, so no harm done.

Yeah, but the same is true of rental car companies... or at least it's true at Enterprise.  :-*
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on June 15, 2006, 04:09:30 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on June 15, 2006, 02:31:19 PM
Quote from: Hoops Fan on June 15, 2006, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: matblake on June 15, 2006, 02:19:57 PM
Don't fall into the trap of using Hotwire or Expedia or such for rental cars. Each time I have done some investigating the prices are identical to the website of the company.

Very true, but expedia (at least, not sure about hotwire) only takes reservations and doesn't even require a credit card number, so you're not actually paying anything until you show up anyway, so no harm done.

Yeah, but the same is true of rental car companies... or at least it's true at Enterprise.

Exactly my point April.  Expedia gives you the opportunity to shop for the best deal and reserve it without a mark-up and you only have to go one place.  I'm not a huge fan of those discount websites for plane tickets, but it sure makes renting a car easy.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 16, 2006, 01:15:07 PM
I've never had a problem with priceline.  In fact, I even bought my INTERNATIONAL flight to Uruguay on Priceline and save about $400.  I've never rented a car, however.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on June 17, 2006, 05:23:04 PM
Iread somewhere that there is a nac site like the old lmc site , how do you get to it?????
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 17, 2006, 07:01:10 PM
Quote from: muskiefanillinois on June 17, 2006, 05:23:04 PM
Iread somewhere that there is a nac site like the old lmc site , how do you get to it?????

You are here.  Pat has merged the 2 sites!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 18, 2006, 10:10:03 AM
Quote from: muskiefanillinois on June 17, 2006, 05:23:04 PM
Iread somewhere that there is a nac site like the old lmc site , how do you get to it?????

Is THIS (http://northernathleticsconf.com/) what you meant?  The link to the new NathCon page?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on June 18, 2006, 05:23:27 PM
any word out of edgewood about who their new hoops coach might be? are they planning on hiring an AD who can also be their bkb coach?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2006, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 18, 2006, 10:10:03 AM
Quote from: muskiefanillinois on June 17, 2006, 05:23:04 PM
Iread somewhere that there is a nac site like the old lmc site , how do you get to it?????

Is THIS (http://northernathleticsconf.com/) what you meant?  The link to the new NathCon page?

old School, thanks for the link.

As one looks at the sports that the NAthCon sponsors, there is good consolidation.  I have lost the link to the NCAA's discussions on extending Pool A bids to Golf and Tennis and maybe even Cross Country.  The consolidation may make this possible, should Pool Bids be awarded in those 3 sports.

(Golf does have to work out the question of seasons...Fall vs. Spring)

Indoor and outdoor track and field will have 8 teams.  That is a good conference of peers.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 19, 2006, 06:08:22 PM
Edgewood's new women's coach was announced, Lakeland's assistant.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 19, 2006, 06:19:15 PM
lakeland's men's basketball assistant? if so, ouch for that program! :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on June 19, 2006, 10:01:45 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on June 19, 2006, 06:19:15 PM
lakeland's men's basketball assistant? if so, ouch for that program! :o

no, edgewood hired one of lakeland's women's assistants as their new women's head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 19, 2006, 10:55:38 PM
then doesn't that belong on the women's board  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2006, 07:45:20 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on June 19, 2006, 10:55:38 PM
then doesn't that belong on the women's board  ;)

We're not sexist here, April.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 20, 2006, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 20, 2006, 07:45:20 AM
We're not sexist here, April. ;D
Or organized, apparently.  :P  :D

It actually bothers me a little when people stick stuff on the mens boards all the time, because they think people will read it there. The women deserve their own substantial discussions on their own boards, etc, etc. It also makes things clearer, which is never bad. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2006, 03:25:05 PM
fishguy asked if Edgewood had announced a new coach since he is now the new commish for the NathCon.  I was basically saying I hadn't heard anything aside from the fact they did hire the women's coach, not the men's.  I'm not going to go into the women's board to answer a question that was posted in the men's board.  I didn't mean any harm by it.  I do read the women's board on ocassion.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on June 20, 2006, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: Old School on June 20, 2006, 03:25:05 PM
fishguy asked if Edgewood had announced a new coach since he is now the new commish for the NathCon.  I was basically saying I hadn't heard anything aside from the fact they did hire the women's coach, not the men's.  I'm not going to go into the women's board to answer a question that was posted in the men's board.  I didn't mean any harm by it.  I do read the women's board on ocassion.
aww... I didn't mean for you to take my ribbing so seriously.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 20, 2006, 05:03:55 PM
not at all. :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on July 16, 2006, 11:02:52 AM
MSOE's independent schedule:
http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/?mbask/2006-2007/schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 17, 2006, 12:29:02 AM
MSOE seems to have done a decent job of putting a coherent schedule into place, despite all the pitfalls that typically come with being an independent. Unlike some other indies, they don't have all of their games crammed into the six weeks before New Year's Day; thirteen of their games are in January and February, which is a nice balance. Plus, the Raiders don't have to pack up the caravan and travel all over creation in order to fill out the slate. They've put together four home-and-homes, against Dominican, Clarke, Northland, and Finlandia, and home-and-homes are always very helpful for an indie.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 17, 2006, 12:46:19 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 17, 2006, 12:29:02 AM
MSOE seems to have done a decent job of putting a coherent schedule into place, despite all the pitfalls that typically come with being an independent. Unlike some other indies, they don't have all of their games crammed into the six weeks before New Year's Day; thirteen of their games are in January and February, which is a nice balance. Plus, the Raiders don't have to pack up the caravan and travel all over creation in order to fill out the slate. They've put together four home-and-homes, against Dominican, Clarke, Northland, and Finlandia, and home-and-homes are always very helpful for an indie.

Let's remember that Clarke and Finlandia are also independents, too.

Finalndia is in the Great Lakes Evaluation Region and Region 3 Geographical Region, so that game is not "in-region" for either team.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 17, 2006, 01:04:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 17, 2006, 12:46:19 AMLet's remember that Clarke and Finlandia are also independents, too.

I realize that. But the fact that two schools are both indies and within a reasonable distance of each other doesn't always guarantee that they can set up a home-and-home at the drop of a hat. Given that MSOE's status was in a state of flux until relatively recently, their situation could've really played havoc with their schedulemaking. Clarke was in the same boat, but there's no guarantee that Finlandia would've had a second slot open in their sked for the Raiders at whatever late date the MSOE staff put their sked together.

Any way you slice it, MSOE's staff did a pretty remarkable job of putting together a well-balanced schedule under difficult conditions.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 17, 2006, 08:49:28 AM
Kudos to MSOE for scheduling Finlandia only twice, unlike an unnamed WIAC team  :P

Anyway, it greatly disappoints me that I will be in San Francisco the same weekend MY BOYS, Worcester Polytech, are in town!  DAMN! lol.  They almost took me to the promise land last season in the inaugural survivor league! :'(

Just out of curiousity, they head to Californ-I-A over New Years.  Who are "KS" and "CLU"? 

Lastly, not that I know anything about anything, but aren't a lot of the indies located in the middle of nowhere, or near the end of nowhere (Colorado College), making it difficult to schedule games?  Obviously MSOE is a little different case since they got greedy and tried to jump ship before crying back to mommy to get in the newly formed conference.  Mommy sent them to their corner for a year, thus making them independent.   :'( It's obvious MSOE has tons of teams in the "area" to play.

And as Greg said, they did a very good job considering the circumstances...a lot better than that WIAC team.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on July 17, 2006, 09:21:10 PM
Bethany KS I would assume: http://www.bethanylb.edu/contentm/gen/bethany_college_generated_pages/Mens_Basketball_m176.html

CLU I would assume:
http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Cal%20Lutheran&team=m

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on July 18, 2006, 04:30:38 PM
i see edgewood has their AD hired - any word on the men's bkb coach? i know they had a lot to hire this summer, but boy is it getting late.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 18, 2006, 06:53:40 PM
I have not heard back from Edgewood College, so I'm guessing I didn't get the job.  I haven't even gotten a rejection letter yet!  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on July 25, 2006, 01:47:41 PM
 :D :D :D ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: centilbball on July 30, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
Does anyone know how the Illinois teams will stack up in this new conference? I have followed Aurora, Rockford, and Benedictine in the past how will they stack up this year. In looking at lasts years roster they all seem young
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 30, 2006, 11:30:49 PM
Here's how the teams in this league did last year. Obviously, they did not play a full round-robin with each other. :)

Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 12, 2006, 02:20:27 PM
Inspired by a request on the NIIC baseball board, here's a compilation of the NAthCon men's basketball standings for 2005-06, taking each team's schedule and tallying the wins and losses against future conference foes:

Lakeland 21-6, 13-1 LMC, 13-4 NAthCon
Aurora 16-11, 9-3 NIIC, 6-2 NAthCon
Wisconsin Lutheran 14-15, 8-6 LMC, 11-6 NAthCon
Edgewood 15-12, 8-6 LMC, 10-6 NAthCon
Concordia (Wis.) 8-16, 6-8 LMC, 8-7 NAthCon
Dominican 13-13, 6-8 LMC, 8-8 NAthCon
Rockford 15-12, 6-6 NIIC, 5-5 NAthCon
Marian 10-17, 5-8 LMC, 6-9 NAthCon
Concordia (Ill.) 11-16, 6-6 NIIC, 4-7 NAthCon
Benedictine 10-15, 3-8 NIIC, 3-7 NAthCon
Maranatha Baptist 1-24, 0-14 LMC, 0-13 NAthCon

This includes the teams' various conference tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 03, 2006, 01:32:44 PM
Quote from: centilbball on July 30, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
Does anyone know how the Illinois teams will stack up in this new conference? I have followed Aurora, Rockford, and Benedictine in the past how will they stack up this year. In looking at lasts years roster they all seem young

I've been in both conferences in the last 2 years, so I've seen a ton of these teams play...I think AU, Ben and Rockford are more athletic than most teams in the former LMC, and I think AU has the most talent returning of all teams (Welton, Magee, Lambert, Trudo(sp) round out a deep and talented team..look for Vic Mendez (6-4 sophomore) to contribute. If they get someone off the bench to be a banger next to Welton, they could be an NCAA team easily. Rockford's style may cause fits to some teams, I swear they are 2 seasons away from the "system"!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 03, 2006, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: keith45 on August 03, 2006, 01:32:44 PM
Rockford's style may cause fits to some teams, I swear they are 2 seasons away from the "system"!
I actually saw recently on the CoSIDA website that Rockford had an SID position open, I always pity the people who have to keep stats for system-like teams. How the heck do you have the time to keep track of everything? Esp as a newer SID?  :o ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: 3 Point Play on August 03, 2006, 04:25:21 PM
Edgewood has announced that Todd Adrian will be the new men's basketball coach. Todd is the former assistant at UW Platteville and Lakeland College...great hire for Edgewood.

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=1774
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: centilbball on August 07, 2006, 05:29:35 PM
well we established AC   (welton , trudo, and magee) Rockford ( dunkell) and BU ( swanson, jones and olson) who are some of the other players that could help there teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 07, 2006, 05:42:38 PM
Last I heard, WLC will have 2/5 of its' starting lineup and a good share of its' reserves returning--barring the unforeseen.



WLCALUM83
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on August 09, 2006, 10:56:50 PM
Any major losses at Lakeland or Edgewood with the coaching changes?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 10, 2006, 08:16:28 AM
Aside from losing seniors Germayne James and Nick Howard, I have not heard anything about any mass exudus because of the coaching change at Lakeland. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on August 14, 2006, 03:17:42 PM
What about Lakeland? returning with 3 of 5 starters ;D all they need are 1 and a 3 to replace the 2 seniors, wait they already have them never mind. Looking foward to meeting Coach B and his staff 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 17, 2006, 09:12:57 PM
Stevens Point's schedule is up and they will try to avenge last year's losses to Lakeland and Edgewood this year! 

schedule (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/schedule.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 18, 2006, 09:41:31 AM
centilbball:

To the best of my knowledge WLC's 2 returning starters are Hagel and Krygiel. Hagel was one of the Warrior's main scoring threats and also a top rebounder last season. Of the  players who came off the bench last season, M Biesterfeld and D Behm were 3-point shooters and M Zondag and N Sorum provided rebounding-inside scoring punch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 29, 2006, 10:02:31 AM
Just heard Rockford College hired a new head coach. (If that team is as athletic as Dominican's men were last year, the Regents will give the WLC Warriors fits.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 29, 2006, 02:28:01 PM
Oops!  My bad. My eyes were playing tricks on me. The Rockford men's hiring was for baseball, not basketball. Sorry. :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Yall on September 01, 2006, 07:10:29 PM
Look for WLC to contend with the new conference under the dictation of #33 "the Condor"  and his incredible cast of merry men. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 04, 2006, 07:54:16 PM
Hi guys,
This is my first mesage on the board so I will just introduce myself. The name is Floyd Bayiha, I played for UW-Superior and MSOE.
I have to tell you all I was loving checking this board to see your comments some were good and some were horrible. Anyway, I am happy to be retired and talk about the young cats because I love the game.....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 05, 2006, 09:27:56 AM

Welcome bigflo.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 05, 2006, 09:58:33 AM
bigflo21:
      I caught one of MSOE's women's games against Marian at the Kern center last season. I like the look of that gymnasium.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 05, 2006, 03:36:01 PM
Hey bigflo21...hope you don't hate me too much! lol  :P

So, what are you doing now?  You in the area to catch some MSOE games or some WIAC games?  Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 06, 2006, 09:33:14 AM
I am loving the welcome, but to be honnest with you guys i will say this:

Old School:
Man, I used to hate your comments from my freshman year to my senior. I know you love Stevens Point but I can say this UW-Superior beat them twice when I was there and thats a good thing because there were really good with Kalsow, Bennett....

Hoops Fan:
How could you have not picked me for player of the year in the LMC when you were making your picks!!! same applies to the rest of you too!!!
You only had two choices Floyd B or Jeff Mikos no one else. Just look at our record vs everybody else's in the conference we ended up 2nd, look at our records vs the best records ever at MSOE in the past, we beat that by 7 mores wins, and look at our stats, we had the best one and no other combo in the LCM were even closed to match up with us. We were the best and you all know that.

Bust Yall:
The way you love WLC, I gotta say one thing I gave them 40pts at their place and we won, they are not going to be that competive next year at all. They went to the NCAA tourney last year by mistake the LCM had a better chance to compete with LC, MSOE or even EC just because they had better teams. We all know in sport the best dont always win it all (look at the USA team)

WLCALUM83:
We have the best gym in the LCM and in the WIAC only STP can compete with the Kern, so yeah I know it is a nice one.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 06, 2006, 11:48:54 AM


For the record, I've never made player of the year picks in the LMC.  I'm not sure I ever made any picks in the LMC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 06, 2006, 03:46:06 PM
Bigflo,

Well, at least you're honest.  To let you know, I don't recall ever ripping on you when you were at Superior.  Sure, you guys beat us twice in so many meetings, but whatever.  I'm not going to trash talk something that happened 2, 3 or 4 years ago. 

Anyway, I admit I criticized you a couple of times when playing at MSOE, but we all have our opinions.  You spent two years at MSOE, I thought you might realize it's the LMC, not the LCM.  I don't think anyone would argue that MSOE had the best 1-2 combo in the league, but you obviously didn't have the best TEAM in the league. 

I think Lakeland's gym is nicer than MSOE's gym.  Well, looking forward to your input this year and maybe for year's to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on September 09, 2006, 10:35:20 AM
Bigflo21,
             good to read your comments , I enjoyed watching you play last year. What are your thoughts on LC this year without  J and Howie? Hard to overlook a team who only lost 2 players last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 12, 2006, 02:08:11 AM
Muskiefanillinois,

First of all let me tell you one thing, LC was the team that fustrated me the most; not because of one player but the whole team knew how to stop every single one of my moves and I hated it.

This coming year, them losing the POY and Howie (like you called him) is not the most important thing to mention; their real problem is they lost their coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont know if you realize how he controlled his team and how he made them play with at least a 100 assistants coaches, that was funny.

For example:
Nick Howard was holding me both games we played LC, dont get me wrong he is a good athlete with quick feet and nice hoops but him by himself couldnt have stopped me from beating LC, the whole team did and the coach was behind all that.

Here is another fact, a player like James; to have him be a team player, giving big shots to Chris S. finding guys like Rogers and the rest of the whole squad like he did, all that came from the coach because James could have average a bit more points than he did easily but no he decided to play team basketball within the system. All that came from good coaching.

So if I say LC will be an average team with nomore than 12wins and will lose to Stevens Point to make Old school happy, that will be because they lost their coach not James and Howard.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on September 12, 2006, 10:10:17 AM
Big Flo,
How do you think AU will match up with the former LMC teams? I don't think there is a team in the Wisconsin side that can match up with their speed and athleticism, and they have a great shooter and an all american in the post..I can see them running away with this new conference..your thoughts, as you guys played them last year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 12, 2006, 05:58:17 PM
Keith45,

If you mean Aurora University by AU, here is what I think:

Yes, we played them last year and yes, they beat us by a lot. They are really athletic, they are quick (ie: the point guard especially), great shooter I dont think so they have an ok shooter, but awesome post player.

My only problem with that team is can they play together and well when they are down???? I dont think so. I remember MSOE made a little run when we played them I think 8-0 and they started arguing with each other and me as a player when I see that, I will push it and make them argue more.

I will say this they will beat almost everybody from the LMC may be except WLC because they will match well with them and WLC loves that three so if AU is down early you will watch them breakdown argue and lose an easy game they are supposed to win. That also may happen with any other team they will play against. So No they are not running away, they will walk really slow and fight for it.

Now I dont think they are better than all the teams in Wisconsin, I can name you at least 4teams in the WIAC that will eat them alive.

One more thing WATCH OUT FOR UW-SUPERIOR, they are looking nice with better guards to make the game easier for my man Cobb who is looking better himself and a new Coach. Hopefully a good coach because I dont know anything about him but I will see him next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 12, 2006, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 12, 2006, 02:08:11 AM
So if I say LC will be an average team with nomore than 12wins and will lose to Stevens Point to make Old school happy, that will be because they lost their coach not James and Howard.

No need to go out of your way to make me happy, bigflo.  ::)

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 12, 2006, 09:50:52 PM
Aurora had a fairly young squad last season and with a year under their belt, those growing pains may have been taken care of. I think they will be the toughest team in the league without question. I don't look for WLC to do much in the new conference. I'm curious to see what kind of impact Coach Adrian at Edgewood will have on those guys. Averkamp hasn't matured much as a player the past two seasons and no one has said a word about recruits. He was a late hire so we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on September 13, 2006, 10:34:36 AM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 12, 2006, 05:58:17 PM
Keith45,

If you mean Aurora University by AU, here is what I think:

Yes, we played them last year and yes, they beat us by a lot. They are really athletic, they are quick (ie: the point guard especially), great shooter I dont think so they have an ok shooter, but awesome post player.

My only problem with that team is can they play together and well when they are down???? I dont think so. I remember MSOE made a little run when we played them I think 8-0 and they started arguing with each other and me as a player when I see that, I will push it and make them argue more.

I will say this they will beat almost everybody from the LMC may be except WLC because they will match well with them and WLC loves that three so if AU is down early you will watch them breakdown argue and lose an easy game they are supposed to win. That also may happen with any other team they will play against. So No they are not running away, they will walk really slow and fight for it.

Now I dont think they are better than all the teams in Wisconsin, I can name you at least 4teams in the WIAC that will eat them alive.

One more thing WATCH OUT FOR UW-SUPERIOR, they are looking nice with better guards to make the game easier for my man Cobb who is looking better himself and a new Coach. Hopefully a good coach because I dont know anything about him but I will see him next week.

Big Flo,
I think the arguing was more a competitive nature than lack of chemistry...they did that in practice too....I think with Larry Welton, the 2 shooters and Doug Lambert on the wing, they are the most athletic and talented team in the conference, hands down. Teams may try to slow the game down, but I think they can handle that as well..
and in terms of comparing them to the WIAC, I sort of agree with you..while most of those teams can't match their athletes, the overall size and strength of the WIAC would wear them down
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 13, 2006, 02:39:24 PM
Can anyone explain to me what is the signification of the stars under your name. How old school is all american and I am junior varsity? Who give those attributes, how does it work?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 13, 2006, 03:11:47 PM
bigflo21:
      The individual you refer to has several stars because he's been posting on these boards for over 3 years. I just started posting last month and only became a "second stringer" some 1-2 weeks ago. Generally speaking, the more posts made, the more stars a poster gets.  (Ask Pat, one of the board moderators for more specific information).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 13, 2006, 04:33:34 PM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 13, 2006, 02:39:24 PM
Can anyone explain to me what is the signification of the stars under your name. How old school is all american and I am junior varsity? Who give those attributes, how does it work?

Are you jealous? lol.  ;) :P ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on September 13, 2006, 05:10:44 PM
Bigflo,

The more stars you have under the name, the less of a life you have OUTSIDE of D3hoops.  (JK OS  :P)

In other words, it's based on the number of posts.   :D

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2006, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on September 13, 2006, 05:10:44 PM
Bigflo,

The more stars you have under the name, the less of a life you have OUTSIDE of D3hoops.  (JK OS  :P)

In other words, it's based on the number of posts.   :D



Hey, PS, I resemble that remark! >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 14, 2006, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on September 13, 2006, 05:10:44 PM
Bigflo,

The more stars you have under the name, the less of a life you have OUTSIDE of D3hoops.  (JK OS  :P)

In other words, it's based on the number of posts.   :D

As funny as that is, it's also probably true! lol.  :D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 14, 2006, 11:23:20 PM
The cool thing is, I can smite bigflo21, but he can't smite me! lol.

Advantage:  Old School  :D

*though everyone knows, I could care less about karma points
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 14, 2006, 11:41:51 PM
What is karma point??

I am just trying to learn to see what I gotta to  do to be an all american!!! and smite old school
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 15, 2006, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 14, 2006, 11:41:51 PM
What is karma point??

I am just trying to learn to see what I gotta to  do to be an all american!!! and smite old school

At 200 posts, you will get applaud/smite buttons.  I don't know what the cut-off point is for All-American (2000?)

Unless you go crazy on posting, Old School could send you to -200 before you could retaliate! ;D

Better play nice! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: centilbball on September 15, 2006, 01:11:39 AM
So let predict the order of finish for mens bball and womens bball, if any one cares????   One month til the start the new season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
My pre pre-season men's NAC basketball projections--albeit plenty early yet.

1-- Dominican

2-- Benedictine

3-- Concordia Chicago

4-- Aurora

5-- Marian

6-- Lakeland

7-- WLC

8-- Rockford

9-- Concordia WI

10  Edgewood

11  Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 15, 2006, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 13, 2006, 06:14:21 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on September 13, 2006, 05:10:44 PM
Bigflo,

The more stars you have under the name, the less of a life you have OUTSIDE of D3hoops.  (JK OS  :P)

In other words, it's based on the number of posts.   :D


Hey, PS, I resemble that remark! >:(

And I resemble it almost as much as Ypsi!!!  >:( :D :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 15, 2006, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 02:43:41 PM
My pre pre-season men's NAC basketball projections--albeit plenty early yet.

1-- Dominican
2-- Benedictine
3-- Concordia Chicago
4-- Aurora
5-- Marian
6-- Lakeland
7-- WLC
8-- Rockford
9-- Concordia WI
10  Edgewood
11  Maranatha

Uh, you sure you aren't mixing up your sports? lol.  I'll take a look see and post my predictions, though I'll probably be WAY OFF like you!  :D

Bigflo21,

Have comfort that I'm not going to waste my time smiting you, or anyone else for that matter.  If you want to smite me when you are eligible, more power to you.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on September 15, 2006, 09:51:31 PM
This PROBABLY has been discussed.... but are they going to do two divisions, or just have a large 11 conference, declaring one conf champ?

It'll be interesting for me to see how the dynamics of this conference mix themselves together.  There are certainly historical rivals from the old conferences, but I'm looking forward to seeing what new rivalries will blossom.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 15, 2006, 10:32:38 PM
With 11 teams in the conference (MSOE is not a member this year) they play an unbalanced schedule (YUCK, YUCK, YUCK).  Probably have divisions next year when MSOE rejoins.

Here is Lakeland's schedule (http://www.lakeland.edu/Athletics/mens_basketball/mbasketball_schedule.asp) and it shows them playing 18 conference games.  Cool.

Also of note, the Point game got switched to Jan. 8th.  It used to be Saturday, Nov. 25th, the day after Lakeland plays La Crosse, but it got switched for some reason.  Like last year, Point, Lakeland, Ripon and La Crosse play on opposite nights (Point v Ripon, La Crosse v Lakeland and then vice versa the following night).  Anyway, not sure why that was changed.  It's updated on the Point website as well.  Ummm.

*correction...my bad.  They play Edgewood (H) and Dominican (A) just once.  I would've thought they would play Edgewood twice, and maybe Dominican twice to keep the LMC rivalry (not really Dominican though).

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on September 16, 2006, 05:59:23 PM
1-Dominican
2-Aurora
3-Benedictine
4-Edgewood
5-WLC
6-Rockford
7-Concordia, ILL
8-Lakeland
9-Marian
10-Concordia, WI
11-Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on September 16, 2006, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on September 15, 2006, 09:51:31 PM
This PROBABLY has been discussed.... but are they going to do two divisions, or just have a large 11 conference, declaring one conf champ?"




I can't be positive on the men's side, but there is plenty of talk to now going to divisions on the women's side. It's what they should have done in the first place (imo).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Yall on September 17, 2006, 11:49:14 PM
1. WLC
2. Dominican...
3.  Everyone else.....

I guess the only important one to know is the first one.  However, all those who read this post beware and think long and hard about what you will say in response to what I have written.  For those that have doubted me in the past need only look back one calander year and remember that what Busty says more often then not comes to truth. 

bigflo-  I remember your points and some of your "talent", however, what good did scoring 40 pts get you at the REX,  a conference title?  Hmmm, in my book there usually is only one stat that matters...a big W.    Thanks for playing

-why did all my post history get erased, I was at least a starter...... >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2006, 02:17:27 AM
Uhh, you re-registered. What did you think would happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 18, 2006, 03:55:10 AM

WLC got lucky to win that title and will never win it again even if the same teams play each other 10 more times.
Anyway, I will pick either Rockford or Aurora for the first place.

Bust Yall
Scoring 40pts on you at the REX helped me getting a job playing basket ball. Thanks to you I am a pro now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 18, 2006, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 18, 2006, 03:55:10 AM

WLC got lucky to win that title and will never win it again even if the same teams play each other 10 more times.
Anyway, I will pick either Rockford or Aurora for the first place.


I agree with you on WLC being lucky. I attended that game live, and I was surprised the Edgewood squad came out as flat as it did that day. (Maybe the win over Lakeland took too much out of them--) As it was, it wasn't exactly a shooting clinic by either team. The Warriors just hit several clutch shots toward the end of that game.

big flo 21:

Had it been MSOE against Hope, I think you would have at least made a better showing (especially if you had taller guards and any one on the front line taller than 6'8". The way Hope came out shooting against WLC in that first round game, very few teams would have beat them that night.) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 18, 2006, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 18, 2006, 03:55:10 AM
Bust Yall
Scoring 40pts on you at the REX helped me getting a job playing basket ball. Thanks to you I am a pro now.

You're a pro now?  Congrats.  Hey Pat, how come we didn't see this news on the front page? lol.  ;D  Oh yeah, MSOE doesn't play in the CCIW! (you know I'm kidding)...

Anyway, where are you plying your trade now, bigflo? 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 18, 2006, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Old School on September 18, 2006, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 18, 2006, 03:55:10 AM
Bust Yall
Scoring 40pts on you at the REX helped me getting a job playing basket ball. Thanks to you I am a pro now.

You're a pro now?  Congrats.  Hey Pat, how come we didn't see this news on the front page? lol.  ;D  Oh yeah, MSOE doesn't play in the CCIW! (you know I'm kidding)...

Don't be such a hater. :-* :D :P

We get on the front page because...

1) we deserve it
2) we have great SID offices, including Augie's Dave Wrath who's actually in the SID hall of fame! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 18, 2006, 09:39:21 PM
April,

You know I could care less who's on the front page!  ::)

Anyway, there's a SID hall of fame?  Wow.  Now I've heard it all!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 18, 2006, 11:20:23 PM
I will be playing in the ABA; Quebec City, Canada.
I just signed my contrat, it should be a good situation for me and will me help me to work more on my game and may be the NBDL who knows??
But that is the goal and I will work for it.
I know Old School would have never predicted that one huh?? But thank you for the congrats.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2006, 03:22:30 AM
Quebec City? Very cool, Floyd, although I don't think you'll find it much of a hoops town; les habitants de Quebec are hockey fans, through and through.

I have fond thoughts regarding Quebec. I have ancestors on my mother's side who came from there, and my favorite beer, Maudite, is made at the Unibroue brewery in Chambly outside Montreal.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 19, 2006, 03:30:03 AM
Bigflo: Bon Chance! :)

Quote from: Old School on September 18, 2006, 09:39:21 PM
April,

You know I could care less who's on the front page!  ::)

Anyway, there's a SID hall of fame?  Wow.  Now I've heard it all!  ;D
Even when Pat forgets to praise Lawrence? Shocking. :P ;D :)

Have you never been here before? www.cosida.com
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 19, 2006, 03:39:25 AM
Gregory Sager,

I see you have a little french in you huh, well read this.

J'ai ete visite Quebec la semaine passee, et il me semble que la ville est prete a acceuillir un nouveau sport en particulier le basket.

For those of you that didnt know, I went to high school in France, so I speak french even better than I can speak english, therefore; I will be fine in Quebec.
Gregory, I dont drink but I will try to send you one of your Maudite beer if I get your info.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bigflo21 on September 19, 2006, 03:43:11 AM
Diehardfan,

I just visited the website, www.consida.com not bad, I didnt even know that existed. Also, merci pour le souhait de bonne chance
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2006, 05:11:25 AM
Excellent, Floyd! Your language skills certainly give you a leg up on most American basketball players who play professionally outside the country. I would imagine that your facility with French would give you an excellent chance to play in France someday, a country where the sport is both popular and lucrative. You'll probably have fun with the Quebecois dialect, too (which Parisians look down upon as being a bastardized form of their beloved tongue).

Your offer to send me a Maudite is much appreciated, but there's a Belgian bar a few blocks from my apartment in Chicago that serves it on tap.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 19, 2006, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 19, 2006, 03:43:11 AM
Diehardfan,

I just visited the website, www.consida.com not bad, I didnt even know that existed. Also, merci pour le souhait de bonne chance

Lol... it's feminine! Whoops.... I'm totally going to have to give back my degree now.  :-[ :D

On the plus side, you spelled it consida, which is a website that is definitely not in English or French, whatever Germanic language it is. :)

So when you were playing basketball, did you try to woo the girls with your french language skills.  :P ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on September 19, 2006, 09:11:43 PM
Will AU have a big man down low to bounce with the big boys
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: centilbball on September 19, 2006, 11:04:13 PM
can welton be considered to be a big man????????????

Who does Dominican have??????
                  Benedictine?????????
                 Concordia????????


It sounds like the illinois schools are going to have stronger teams.  R6 days to the  start of something special.  D 3 hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 21, 2006, 03:46:32 PM
Quote from: bigflo21 on September 18, 2006, 11:20:23 PM
I know Old School would have never predicted that one huh?? But thank you for the congrats.

Apparently you have it out for me simply because I criticized you or your team.  Well, whatever.  I never would've predicted it because I don't predict things like that for teams or players that I really don't follow.  But yeah, it's cool that you're playing pro.  If you want to keep making it an issue and throw in your pot shots, by all means, more power to you...it's not going to effect me.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on September 22, 2006, 04:12:03 PM
old school ,you seem to know the ropes tell what you think about au and welton holding up the team only in his 3rd year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 22, 2006, 10:54:44 PM
luv_d3hoops,

I appreciate the compliment and welcome to the site.  Unfortunately, I'm going to have to disappoint you.  I'm not too knowledgeable in this new league.  I know a little about Lakeland and that's the extent of my NIIC/LMC to NathCon insight.  In fact, if "au and Welton" play for Lakeland, then I know even less than what I thought. 

However, I'm more of a WIAC/Stevens Point fan and I can tell you information about that.  I do have pretty decent general knowledge of d3 basketball.  There are a lot of other boards that I am involved in and in the past I've just tried to become more rounded about other teams and conferences.

If indeed you are in the midwest area and follow teams from this league, get accustomed to other area leagues like the WIAC, the IIAC, CCIW and MWC, among others.  You'll actually learn a lot about teams in this conference by getting to know other teams and conferences, IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on September 24, 2006, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: centilbball on September 19, 2006, 11:04:13 PM
can welton be considered to be a big man????????????

Who does Dominican have??????
                  Benedictine?????????
                 Concordia????????


It sounds like the illinois schools are going to have stronger teams.  R6 days to the  start of something special.  D 3 hoops.

Well hello to all,

If you don't already know, which most of you don't, my name is Bobby and I am a Dominican fan. Its nice to hear all the talk about you guys' favorite teams and to see some of you post that Dominican will finish number 1. It's only a few people but i think thats great. As for Dominican I believe that nobody from last years team graduated and are returning 4 starters (Clay, Jones, Haiduc, McMillan) from last years squad in addition to bringing in some juco players to build from last years minor success. In my opinion they have one of the most talented core group of guys and a solid bench with the additions made in the offseason. Not only are they talented but they are quick and bring athleticism in the forms of Jones and Haiduc. But what will get this team over the edge will be their committment to defense with two of the LMC'S leading shot blockers in Haiduc and McMillan. I think that Dominican is one of the top 2 or 3 teams and may be a force in the new and improved super conference. My list goes a little like this:

1. Dominican
2. Aurora
3. Lakeland
4. Benedictine
5. Edgewood
6. WLC
7. Rockford
8. Concordia Wisc.
9. Concordia Ill.
10. Marian
11. Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 25, 2006, 09:45:09 PM
Maybe I'm totally ignorant to what Dominican brings as a basketball team.  You are not the first to pick the Stars to win the first Northern Athletics Conference title.  Last year, they were a mere 6-8 in the conference (7 games back of Lakeland and 4 games back of MSOE.  Lakeland lost to former NIIC foes Rockford and Benedictine.  The former team ended up at .500 in conference and the latter team was a mere 3-7 in conference.  Aurora was 2nd at 8-2 with Clarke (independent now?) at 9-1.  Last year is last year, but Dominican needs drastic improvement while Lakeland, MSOE, Rockford and Benedictine...not to mention Aurora need to drop back a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on September 28, 2006, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Old School on September 25, 2006, 09:45:09 PM
Maybe I'm totally ignorant to what Dominican brings as a basketball team.  You are not the first to pick the Stars to win the first Northern Athletics Conference title.  Last year, they were a mere 6-8 in the conference (7 games back of Lakeland and 4 games back of MSOE.  Lakeland lost to former NIIC foes Rockford and Benedictine.  The former team ended up at .500 in conference and the latter team was a mere 3-7 in conference.  Aurora was 2nd at 8-2 with Clarke (independent now?) at 9-1.  Last year is last year, but Dominican needs drastic improvement while Lakeland, MSOE, Rockford and Benedictine...not to mention Aurora need to drop back a bit.

Yes I know that Dominican was a mere 6-8 and finished only .500 in their season and an impressive win over, then ranked #21 Aurora, but that is a massive improvement from years past of horrid records. But i think the sky's the limit for Dominican with all but one player returning from last years roster and key losses from the remaining 10 teams in the NAC. I would point all of those out but it is a long list. Among the top are Matt Harrison - Benedictine, Courtney Carson - Aurora, Seth Cooper - Edgewood, Jermaine James - Lakeland, Maurice Smith - Rockford, Thie big man and point gaurd - Concordia Wisc, Giles and their big man - Lutheran and there are many more to name. I am basing my pick all on the potential that I saw from last years team that underachieved on the floor and hopefully this time go round it will be different, but dont be suprised when you see Dominican among the top 3 in the NAC because I won't. I just think that all the chips fall their way and if they don't do as good as I hope then it will be their own fault and not because any of the other teams are better or more talented.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on October 06, 2006, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 31, 2006, 02:18:21 AM
I wouldn't count Lakeland out so soon. They really struck me last year as a team that was made up of interchangeable parts, with no real standouts apart from Germayne James -- and he wasn't someone whose numbers were irreplaceably high. It's sometimes tough to transition to a new coach, especially one who has never been the guy in charge before, but if a team returns plenty of experienced players it can make up for that with its leadership on the floor. Lakeland returns eight players next year who averaged double figures in minutes played. I see them as a genuine NAthCon contender in 2006-07.

Kyle Brumett looks like he has good credentials, as D3 head-coach newbies go. My questions about his chances for success would revolve around recruiting. He's an Indiana boy who has spent his entire playing and coaching career in the southern part of that state (Hanover, Southern Indiana, DePauw). That's a long way from Wisconsin. Recruiting for Lakeland is no easy thing even for an experienced Wisconsinite, seeing as how WIAC teams get first dibs at most instate D3-level players, with Ripon, Lawrence, Carthage, and now Carroll also further up the prestige ladder than the Muskies (and look for St. Norbert under former Lakeland coach Gary Grzesk to start landing some nice recruits as well). Brumett faces a very steep learning curve in terms of recruiting at his new post.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on October 06, 2006, 10:39:03 AM
Gregory S,
               I think Coach B should look South of the border, Coach G picked up Matt Rogers from Rochelle IL and he was ROY and from what I understand he is tapping Rochelle for a guard for next year. Talent is there from Northern Illinois, Lakeland should start tapping that pool even some JC have some super talent from schools like Sauk, Kish and Highland. Rockford has some great talent I wonder where Robert Eppinger is now or Josh Pikens?.As far as talent coming to LakeLand Coach B is a great Coach and we are lucky to have him, very good vibes.......... ;D  :D  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: frontiercascade on October 12, 2006, 05:09:56 PM
I have a wealth of knowledge about both conferences.  My feelings are that the Illinois schools will dominate the league this year hands down.  Order of finish:

Aurora- welton will be the mvp
dominican - their big is for real and they brought in some ballers
edgewood- new coach, new program =more wins
benedictine- coach b will come close to 20 wins this year
Wisc. Lutheran- bringing back some young talent, scrappy play causes confusion
Con. WI- good senior, huenink will dominate the league
Lakeland- rogers is for real
Marian- the big will surpass 1000 pts.
Con. RF- all 5 starters return
Rockford- lost everybody, brought in nobody
maranatha- will be playing rockford for this spot
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on October 13, 2006, 01:03:01 PM
Is AU realy that good. And dose welton have what it takes to lead this team.Thay showed me nothing last year after coming off a #21 ranking the year before.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: centilbball on October 13, 2006, 02:16:19 PM
3 more days to the official start of the d3 season and in fact the rest of college bball.  Why did everyone from  Rockford go???????  Also au can be good as long as the others around him (welton)  step up!!!! Domincan has a soild younger core returning, Concord of Chicago will be much but as long as they play as a team and work hard.  Coach S has done a great job with them!!!!!!  Coach Bunks I am sure has his work cut out for him, loosing 76% percent of his scoring ( harrsion and fudge and others) he will have to rely on a very young team that will make a solid run for post season next year!!!!!! However the eagles can win 15 - 18 games if they play hard and together.  The wisconsin schools will posse a battle for any school traveling to the cheese state this year.   Look for 3 illinois and 3 wis schools make up the first post season event.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: auballer on October 13, 2006, 05:07:49 PM
Frontiercascade-

I agree with you that Aurora will be great and Welton will be MVP, but you said Rockford didn't bring in anybody.  Do me a favor and "google" the name Nick Stiggers and tell me if you think he might be a threat in this conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 18, 2006, 03:39:17 AM
Quote from: frontiercascade on October 12, 2006, 05:09:56 PM
I have a wealth of knowledge about both conferences.  My feelings are that the Illinois schools will dominate the league this year hands down.  Order of finish:

Aurora- welton will be the mvp
dominican - their big is for real and they brought in some ballers
edgewood- new coach, new program =more wins
benedictine- coach b will come close to 20 wins this year
Wisc. Lutheran- bringing back some young talent, scrappy play causes confusion
Con. WI- good senior, huenink will dominate the league
Lakeland- rogers is for real
Marian- the big will surpass 1000 pts.
Con. RF- all 5 starters return
Rockford- lost everybody, brought in nobody
maranatha- will be playing rockford for this spot


Thanks for the positive projection. The Warriors are going to need a bit more height and depth. Hagel, Krygiel and Sorum (especially if all 3 were to start) could use some help rebounding. A taller guard or two wouldn't hurt either.

Still, they'll make their fair share of noise if all hands stay healthy. :) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on October 30, 2006, 11:25:18 PM
Just letting you all know Dominican had their first scrimmage with Kalamazoo College Monday night.  They played without a couple key players, but were able to play OK.  DU lost the first half by 3 and won the second by 26, the 3rd twenty was running time and was close again.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Tiger Woods on November 01, 2006, 12:53:02 PM
Who are the best players in the conference this year?  Not much conversation on here with the season quickly approaching.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on November 02, 2006, 01:06:29 PM
coaches poll is out
   
2006-07 NAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Preseason Poll

1. Aurora University (8), 117
2. Lakeland College (3), 102
3. Edgewood College, 95
4. Dominican University, 84
5. Benedictine University, 70
6. Wisconsin Lutheran College, 66
7. Concordia University Chicago, 52
    Rockford College, 52
9. Concordia University-Wisconsin, 41
10. Marian College, 36
11. Maranatha Baptist Bible College, 11

First place votes in parentheses.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 02, 2006, 03:09:31 PM
Brian Hagel of WLC gets the most print as far as all-around play (inside-outside offensive threat and rebounding), the Warriors have virtually everyone back, and barring injury, etc, they figure to have plenty of depth off the bench. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FrSamuel on November 02, 2006, 04:42:02 PM
I have to say I think the polls seem pretty legit.  I mean, if anyone plans on winning the conference, you are going to have to beat Aurora.  Welton is a freak of a Division III basketball player and they always seem to have a couple of shooters every year and floor leadership at the point.

Lakeland was very solid last year and ran their offense better than any team I saw.  However, new head coach and no Germayne James...jury is still out on them.

Edgewood is very solid with the a strong front court featuring Averkamp and Ciche not to mention the fat that the Edgedome is a tough place to play.

Dominican has been a hot topic on this board with all of their guys returning a what-not.  They typically have been very athletic but sloppy with the basketball.  I'm very interested to see them this year.  If they take better care of the ball and learn how to finish games, they could be extremely dangerous...just ask Aurora.

I would have to slide Concordia up to fifth behind Dominican.  They have improved immensely over the last couple of years.  In fact, they beat Benedictine (who claimed the five spot in the poll) three times last year, including twice in a five day span at the end of the season.

Benedictine, Wisconsin Lutheran and Rockford will all be contenders for anywhere from fourth to eighth come the end of the season.  Benedictine routinely finished in the top two or three in the NIIC annually.  They lose Harrison but he may have pulled the team apart rather than be the glue that held it together.  He wore his emotions on his sleeve and when things didn't go his way, he showed his frustrations towards teammates.  WLC marched to the LMC championship last season but the road to repeat will be tough.  They may miss out on the NAC tournament this year as may Rockford (but I don't know much about what they have).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 02, 2006, 04:55:29 PM
The Warriors did lose 3 starters from last year, but other than Hagel, (their best all-around player), Biesterfeld and Behm are known to be 3-point threats, and Sorum and Zondag provide rebounding and inside punch. They'll still need to fill a hole with the loss of Lewis Jiles to graduation.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: titan2000 on November 03, 2006, 04:09:55 PM
I heard the Lawrence handled Edgewood pretty easily last night in their scrimmage at Appleton.  Anyone know if that is true?  ???

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 04, 2006, 04:01:36 PM
They handled Edgewood pretty easily in Madison last season as well. Wouldn't be a surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 06, 2006, 09:34:59 PM
Update on the exhibition game at UW-M.....
Coach Adrian's Eagles trailed Jeter's squad by just 2 at the half   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 07, 2006, 05:15:25 PM
Hello---I'm a new poster with most of my activity in the CCIW Chat. I am familiar with some of the teams in the NAC.

Concerning Edgewood-----I know they have a nice frontcourt. Can any Eagle fans advise me as to who the starting guards are likely to be this year?

How did Josh Culver do last yr? For some reason the last statistics available on their website are for 04-05!

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 07, 2006, 10:33:03 PM
Welcome to the board!

I'd have to think that you'll see Edgewood's backcourt consist of mostly Kyle Scott who missed last season with a knee injury and Josh Culver. Culver didn't see as many minutes as many thought he should, but if he's improved his game at all- he'll be a great leader for the Eagles. Eddie Hebl should see quite a few minutes and is capable of being a great scorer- IF he can't stay out of foul trouble.

Sounded like a great effort against UW-M last night. Even though they ended up losing, I think you'll see a high intensity squad that should be a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 08, 2006, 06:35:22 PM
IlliniHoops4---

     Thanks for the info. I specifically asked about Culver as he is a friend of one of my nephews and was curious.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on November 08, 2006, 11:19:52 PM
Concordia Chicago is looking good so far big improvements in a practice game almost a week ago. CUC has added some size to a potent lineup. I know dominican will be be gunnin for CUC but what is new. I only know about the teams we have played what is the report on the new teams in this conf.?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: frontiercascade on November 10, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
After talking to numerous players in the NAC, watcing numerous scrimmages, a handful of exhibitions, sneaking into a couple of practices, the Frontier is changing some preseason picks.

AU
CUC
Edgewood
Lakeland
Dominican
Next 5 teams will fight for this spot
Wis. Lutheran, CUW, Maranatha, Marian, Benedictine
Basement is...ROCKFORD

And so, I even more so feel that AU might run the table undefeated in conference?  And why do I ask this?  Because I'm the new dean of the NAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lem4094 on November 10, 2006, 10:20:31 PM
AU is the top dog for sure.  i think it is going to take a few games into the non-conference season to rank the rest.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2006, 11:38:40 PM
Shameless Self-Promotion

The season starts in a week, don't forget to join the Survivor League and new the Nationwide Pick Em League in the multi-regional board!!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on November 11, 2006, 06:41:51 PM
I agree with CUC being 2nd in conference next to AU, AU is on top for sure.  But, going to CUC the past 2 years and seeing the improvement from 2 years ago to last year was amazing.  I know they have added some size which was stated before.  CUC really hasn't had any size in the paint in years past.  I know they recruited in 3 6'9 guys with 2 of them being brothers.  CUC is improved yet again and with some key players returning (the big one being Lafayette Bell) they will be in contention. 

I know CUC had a scrimmage with college of Dupage and looked very good.  But, we will never know until the season starts.

And mark your calenders for Dec. 6 when CUC plays Lakeland, that game is going to be out of control.  CUC and Lakeland obviously hate eachother, but some certain things occured during the football season which will make the CUC players want to dismantle them even more.  That's going to be a good one.

Good luck to everyone
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on November 12, 2006, 04:56:54 PM
baseman201,
                     I was at the game last year and I didn't see the hate that you wrote about ??? Are you trying to stir something up ???Maybe you can get AU going, but not Lakeland. There is like only 8 players returning from CUC, football and basketball are like apples and oranges.Lakeland had a good scrimmage against Ripon but still it's not the season yet
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on November 13, 2006, 12:21:54 AM
There are some things that happened involving the Lakeland football players and the basketball players when lakeland came for their football game this past year.

It has nothing to do with last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Tiger Woods on November 13, 2006, 11:14:50 AM
How come nobody thinks WLC will be any good?  They beat Edgewood 3 times last year and Edgewood lost more than WLC to graduation.  I'm confused...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on November 13, 2006, 11:49:49 AM
 ;)Are you talking quanity of players or quality of players ??? Lakeland lost 2 starters from last year and a coach, they picked up a heck of a coach but the players need a little more time together but expect them to go all out every night...........
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lmcfan33 on November 13, 2006, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: frontiercascade on November 10, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
After talking to numerous players in the NAC, watcing numerous scrimmages, a handful of exhibitions, sneaking into a couple of practices, the Frontier is changing some preseason picks.

AU
CUC
Edgewood
Lakeland
Dominican
Next 5 teams will fight for this spot
Wis. Lutheran, CUW, Maranatha, Marian, Benedictine
Basement is...ROCKFORD


Not that anyone cares, but Maranatha and Rockford can be flip-flopped there. I just heard that two of 'Natha's best players got kicked out of their school last week. Seeing as the coach can't bring in any good recruits, I'd predict an average defecit of 50 points for them in every conference game...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 13, 2006, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: Tiger Woods on November 13, 2006, 11:14:50 AM
How come nobody thinks WLC will be any good?  They beat Edgewood 3 times last year and Edgewood lost more than WLC to graduation.  I'm confused...

IMHO it's not so much WLC being put down as it is the Illinois teams expected to be great. (Is it the picks, or something I posted that's giving you reason for that conclusion?)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2006, 08:30:26 PM
The verdict is out, Lakeland tabbed 2nd (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/muskienews.asp?article=2527).

2006-07 NAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Preseason Poll
1. Aurora University (8 ), 117
2. Lakeland College (3), 102
3. Edgewood College, 95
4. Dominican University, 84
5. Benedictine University, 70
6. Wisconsin Lutheran College, 66
7. Concordia University Chicago, 52, Rockford College, 52
9. Concordia University-Wisconsin, 41
10. Marian College, 36
11. Maranatha Baptist Bible College, 11

First place votes in parentheses.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Fartcus Smellwood on November 13, 2006, 11:56:47 PM
So does anybody have an opinion on CUC this year??? I do, they are going to take the conference and I will be front and center in the stands....can't wait till Lakeland comes to CUC on December 6th...LC will get what is coming to them. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on November 14, 2006, 12:11:54 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 13, 2006, 08:30:26 PM
The verdict is out, Lakeland tabbed 2nd (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/muskienews.asp?article=2527).

2006-07 NAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Preseason Poll
1. Aurora University (8 ), 117
2. Lakeland College (3), 102
3. Edgewood College, 95
4. Dominican University, 84
5. Benedictine University, 70
6. Wisconsin Lutheran College, 66
7. Concordia University Chicago, 52, Rockford College, 52
9. Concordia University-Wisconsin, 41
10. Marian College, 36
11. Maranatha Baptist Bible College, 11

First place votes in parentheses.


Is lakeland that good? Ive never seen them play. Im excited to see the new matchups and such. cuc and cuw should be a close game as it is every year. what are teams looking like out there? CUC is young but big...so we will see...would like to hear about other schools!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2006, 12:39:01 AM
I'm not so sure how good Lakeland is.  They lose POTY Jermaine James and also stud in the box Nick Howard.  The biggest loss is probably their coach.  I'm not knocking the new coach, ex-assistant of DePauw Kyle Brumett, but it may take a year or two to get to know "his way," which sounds like a more up-tempo game, as opposed to Grzesk's defensive oriented game plan.

Muskie Preview (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/muskienews.asp?article=2544)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on November 14, 2006, 11:41:03 AM

Not that anyone cares, but Maranatha and Rockford can be flip-flopped there. I just heard that two of 'Natha's best players got kicked out of their school last week. Seeing as the coach can't bring in any good recruits, I'd predict an average defecit of 50 points for them in every conference game...
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I know that all of you all couldn't care less about Natha in this conference, but after reading this post I had to respond. Yes, it is true that Natha just kicked out two of our players, and these two players were some of the best we have (which does not say much). And yes I have to agree that we will not be within 50 points in almost all conference games. But we do have some good recruits. Just remember the name Mike Knepp. Knepp will be one of the best players in the conference over the next few years. We also have a transfer coming at Christmas break that sat the bench at a D 1 school that should be able to turn some heads in the conference. With our improvement on three point shooting from a few new faces on the team, Natha will still be at the bottom of the conference, but we will at least be more respectable this year with our level of play.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on November 14, 2006, 12:14:21 PM
The Way I See It,

It has been long enough since my last post. I know absolutely nothing about the Illinois teams. I do know the LMC teams pretty well, however. I know that WLC does not get any credit because you don't know which WLC team will show up year in and year out. Will they run and gun? Will they play halfcourt? You just can't get a guage until midway through the year. That is not a rip on WLC by any means....it is the truth.

Edgewood will be the same disciplined team they have always been under first year coach Todd Adrian. I look for them to be in the hunt at the end of the year.

I have a question mark on Lakeland. I think the new hire was a good one and the players are adjusting real well. I need to see game play though before i start backing my alma mater with the biased approach that i have been accustomed to in the past.

Marian and MBBC do not deserve more than this sentence...they suck.

As for this 'budding' rivalry between CUC and Lakeland.....not sure about it. None of the Lakeland football players play basketball and i can guarantee you they won't be making the trip down there on December 6th. So i am not sure what the Lakeland basketball team 'deserves' as a previous poster stated, but i think this is getting blown out of proportion even further than Bobby Knight smacking his player around on national television. If the CUC b-ball team wants to use Lakeland's football team as motivation, go right ahead. That would be like me saying, "I think the Lakeland basketball team is ticted at the CUC women's softball team for leaving tampon wrappers in their locker room.....you better watch out now on December 6th. That CUC basketball team is going to get what's coming to them!"

Now if you will excuse me, i need to head down to the local pub for my midday pick-me-up....a cigar and a little gin and juice while watching Mr. Belding run one of the best high schools ever.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Tiger Woods on November 14, 2006, 02:15:36 PM
I heard Lipanot and Becker are both hurt for CUW.  Anyone know anything about it?  Is so, they might challenge a few teams for last place this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Fartcus Smellwood on November 14, 2006, 02:44:51 PM
The Way,

That was my fault stating that the way I did, all I meant by that was a big L on december 6th. I am pretty damn sure CUC's bball team has nothing against lakelands and it is most likely true that lakeland football players won't travel down here. Even if they did, there would be no retaliation, the school is over it I am sure. It will be a good game but CUC will come out on top. I am counting down the days till the first home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 14, 2006, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: Marcus Ellwood on November 14, 2006, 02:44:51 PM
...and it is most likely true that lakeland football players won't travel down here.

I'm not so sure the Lakeland football players will travel across campus to watch the basketball team play at home, let alone, get off campus.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on November 14, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
Marcus,
           I have been following Lakeland basketball for the past 2 years because I have a son who attends Lakeland,so what do you mean a big L on the 6th? Are you a player or a fan I watched the game last year and looked at the stats for the game and still nothing. What do you have against Lakeland. The Coach( Kyle Brumett) reminds me of a coaching legend in Philadelphia Bill "Speedy" Morris former coach at Roman Catholic H.S and LaSalle College one of the Big 5 (Temple,St. Joes,Penn,Villanova,LaSalle)schools, in fact another coach Paul Westhead also. I see a good thing at Lakeland........... ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Tiger Woods on November 15, 2006, 05:56:59 PM
Does anyone know if G Steven Larson is still in charge of picking the Conference Players of the week?  He (or someone from Edgewood) was always in charge of that for the LMC and I must say, that was the biggest joke.  For the new conference's sake, I hope there is someone a little less bias towards one school. 

Predicition for 2006-2007 POY

Christian Lindberg

No one knows him yet but soon you will.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 15, 2006, 09:40:19 PM
 Josh Larson was the SID for the LMC (not Edgewood) and I believe he is now the SID for the NAC. He was in charge of that. This is something you can't blame on G. Steven.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Fartcus Smellwood on November 16, 2006, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: muskiefanillinois on November 14, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
Marcus,
           I have been following Lakeland basketball for the past 2 years because I have a son who attends Lakeland,so what do you mean a big L on the 6th? Are you a player or a fan I watched the game last year and looked at the stats for the game and still nothing. What do you have against Lakeland. The Coach( Kyle Brumett) reminds me of a coaching legend in Philadelphia Bill "Speedy" Morris former coach at Roman Catholic H.S and LaSalle College one of the Big 5 (Temple,St. Joes,Penn,Villanova,LaSalle)schools, in fact another coach Paul Westhead also. I see a good thing at Lakeland........... ;D

I have nothing against Lakeland other than being a fan of another school...last time I checked I think that was okay. I have been following CUC basketball for 4 years because I attend CUC and I have seen nothing but improvement from these guys. And what I mean by a L on the 6th is, L = loss and 6th= December 6th, 2006, thats all. I have faith in CUC's team and they are even more improved this year than last....

Don't disappoint me CUC! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2006, 04:24:16 PM
Quote from: Marcus Ellwood on November 16, 2006, 02:25:09 PM
I have nothing against Lakeland other than being a fan of another school...last time I checked I think that was okay.

You must not have checked in awhile because I don't think that's ok anymore! lol.  ;D ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 17, 2006, 08:57:56 PM
93-62 COE over WLC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2006, 09:49:39 PM
Per MIAA MBB board posters, sounds like Concordia, WI lost big, too.  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on November 17, 2006, 09:56:20 PM
AU OVER INDIANA U IN OVER TIME
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 17, 2006, 10:24:40 PM
Marian College 67

Cornell College 63
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on November 18, 2006, 10:50:19 PM
Indiana U.???

What does that mean?

Since everyone feels the need to post scores, allow me.

CUC - 82
Greenville - 74
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: baseman201 on November 19, 2006, 12:40:05 AM
Wow, sad showing from some of the NAC teams tonight with exception to AU.

And they seemed to have a tough time with Rose.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on November 19, 2006, 12:41:40 AM
Blackburn 57       Dominican 52
Dominican 80      Greenville 74
Calvin 79             Benedictine 60
Grace Bible 92     Concordia Wisc 88
Aurora 66            Rose Hulman 61
Lake forest 65     Lakeland 58
Blackburn 66       CUC 60
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 19, 2006, 07:17:42 AM
Heard WLC's men knocked off Cornell, IA. (Judging from the stats I saw on Coe's website, 2 of last year's starters didn't see action in the Coe game.)  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2006, 04:16:50 AM
Quote from: baseman201 on November 18, 2006, 10:50:19 PM
Indiana U.???

What does that mean?

It means that the poster who calls him/herself luv d3hoops is trying to pull a fast one on us.  ;) The team that Aurora beat on Friday in the Wabash tourney was the Titans of Indiana University at South Bend, aka IUSB. And IUSB is a perennial NAIA nonentity; they're 2-5 thus far this season. Those who had a momentary flash of shock at the news that the Spartans somehow pulled off a win against the Hoosiers can now reach for their smelling salts.  :D

Quote from: baseman201 on November 19, 2006, 12:40:05 AM
Wow, sad showing from some of the NAC teams tonight with exception to AU.

And they seemed to have a tough time with Rose.

It wasn't all that bad a showing for the NAthCon. Rose-Hulman's generally a pretty good team from year to year. The only mild disappointment, I'd say, is Lakeland; the Muskies returned a strong team from last year, while Lake Forest lost most of its key 2005-06 players to graduation. Perhaps the Foresters rebuilt fairly quickly; and Lakeland should get a mulligan for it being their head coach's first game.

The real shock of the weekend was Concordia (WI)'s loss to Grace Bible. Losing to a Bible college is the ultimate indignity.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: trey on November 20, 2006, 02:46:55 PM
Just wanted to let y'all know that WLC was missing 4 (Hagel, Behm, Krygiel, M. Zondag) of its top 8 fellas for the Coe game.  Would have theoretically made the game a little more interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on November 20, 2006, 03:33:12 PM
Did they get lost? What team is without 4 of their top 8 for their first game?

BTW - Grace Bible is pretty good. They recruit well in Grand Rapids, MI. I think they get players who don't have the grades to make it at Hope, Calvin, or Cornerstone.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on November 20, 2006, 04:22:12 PM
Since makeing excuses is a common thing right now, I would like to add that CUC was up by 19 pts but could not hold on. Some players said there were some issues with refs running into players....anyway good showing CUC has lots of young players looking forward to North Park tommorrow...anyone know anything here?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Fartcus Smellwood on November 20, 2006, 10:17:49 PM
CUC is young as they are in most of their sports. This school is trying to rebuild everything and they always fail because of stupid nonsense (as in kicking one of their best three sport athletes out of school). I really hope well for the CUC b-ball team, they are 1-1 and that is nothing to be disappointed about. Keep your heads up fellas and play well against North Park tomorrow night.

Just a prediction... ;D

CUC- 75
N.P.- 64
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 20, 2006, 10:24:10 PM
Im pretty happy with the way MSOE started its season. If I remember correctly, Marian beat Ripon last season so Im not going to go about claiming that MSOE would tear apart this league after beating a mediocre MWC team.
Random Thoughts:
MSOE hit some big shots early exploiting the zone
Andy Voight looked much improved
Neil Trainer played pretty well taking over the point guard spot but he cannot afford to get into foul trouble
Jamel Sabree needs to stop fouling so much (perhaps it was just me, but it seemed like two or three of his fouls were just going for rebounds)
MSOE needs to protect the ball better with a lead
Alot of fouls called both ways but it was a physical game.
Scott Murphy would be first team all-conference in the NAC this year
Alot of depth this year, despite the loss of Mikos, MSOE has only lost 4 seniors the last 2 years (will lose none this year) and it shows
I guess what I was most impressed with is after MSOE went into a terrible shooing slump for about five minutes and let Beloit make it close, they bounced back and pulled away down the stretch. Got some stops and some huge buckets.
Coming off of exams I thought the players minds might be elsewhere but they came out focused ready to play. Hopefully with the grades coming out we dont have the same problems we had last season on our trip to Dominican ;)
for those of who dont remember or know: page 18 http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4609.msg435489#msg435489
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2006, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: trey on November 20, 2006, 02:46:55 PM
Just wanted to let y'all know that WLC was missing 4 (Hagel, Behm, Krygiel, M. Zondag) of its top 8 fellas for the Coe game.  Would have theoretically made the game a little more interesting.

First 2 are primarily known for outside shooting (Hagel gets the most individual print for his all-around game), the latter two for being "bangers" and crashing the boards. Zondag was called upon to shoot more than Krygiel last season.

Thanks for posting that.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on November 20, 2006, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: Marcus Ellwood on November 20, 2006, 10:17:49 PM
Just a prediction... ;D

CUC- 75
N.P.- 64

That is quite a stretch to think CUC will beat North Park by 11. North Park is a good team and will not be that easy to beat. I hear that they are very athletic and have some solid post players who can keep up with Mr. Bobby Smith and Mr. Bell other than those 2 CUC really does not have anyone. Those 6' 9" guys everyone were talking about, don't even play according to the box scores, and to me if you are that tall and don't play you cant be that good. I would not look to see any contribution from them this year. My prediction is

North Park 65
Concordia  58
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: TroyG on November 20, 2006, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: from downtown on November 20, 2006, 10:24:10 PM
Dominican ;)
for those of who dont remember or know: page 18 http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4609.msg435489#msg435489


MSOE VS. DU

This game will be very intriguing to me I also think that this will be one of the better games of the night, but could become a bad night for either team  if they don't come ready to play, particularly DU. I heard that DU were down a lot of players one of those being their leading scorer and All conference selection Mike Haiduc. A few other key contributors also seem to be out with injuries so this will be a hell of a mountain for DU to overcome. DU will have to defend well and I have no idea where there scoring will come from. Benyamin Jones had a good night against Greenville with 20 points and 16 boards but can he keep that up? I think he's one of their gaurds and thats impressive but I don't think he will continue that. MSOE on the other hand is coming off a solid win over Beloit and Murphy played well in the post for them with 24 points. With the string of players out for DU, specifically their big men, who is going guard Murphy in the post? I think it will be a good game but a lot for Dominican to overcome. I would predict DU by 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on November 21, 2006, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: The Guru on November 20, 2006, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: Marcus Ellwood on November 20, 2006, 10:17:49 PM
Just a prediction... ;D

CUC- 75
N.P.- 64

My prediction is

North Park 65
Concordia  58



While I think that it is obivous who you both see winning this game. I think that the winner will only have a 3-5 pt. advantage. I know NP is SUPPOESED to be good but that jury is still out. CUC's jury is still out as well, but I think that a strong weekend with these young athletes has made them a better team already. I know that they are hungry for a win at home. Last year CUC had some great success at home (ex playing with Augie for a half). Anyway wish I could be there for the home opener, but CUC will come out of this dog fight on top!

To quote a friend of mine:

COUGS WILL WIN!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2006, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: libero on November 20, 2006, 03:33:12 PMBTW - Grace Bible is pretty good. They recruit well in Grand Rapids, MI. I think they get players who don't have the grades to make it at Hope, Calvin, or Cornerstone.

I'm not sure where you heard this, but it isn't true. Grace Bible is 3-7. One of their other two wins, which came at the hands of NAIA-2 Davenport, is legit for this level. The other one was over another Bible school, NCCAA-2 member Atlanta Christian.

Grace Bible's players aren't the guys who don't have the grades to get into Hope, Calvin, or Cornerstone. They're the guys who don't have the game to get into Hope, Calvin, or Cornerstone. Grace Bible has played Calvin four times in this decade, and Grace Bible lost all four times -- by an average margin of 30.5 points. Cornerstone? They've beaten Grace Bible all three times that they've played in this decade. Average margin of victory? A tidy 28.7 points. Just last week Cornerstone shellacked GBC by a score of 100-66. And as for Hope, the Dutch have played GBC three times in this decade, and beaten them all three times by scores of 83-51 (2001-02), 94-58 (2002-03), and 120-75 (2004-05).

In the other game that GBC played in last weekend's tourney at Calvin, they lost to Benedictine by 21 points. Keep in mind that Benedictine is in the midst of a serious rebuilding project; the Bennies have no seniors and only three juniors on their roster, and this past weekend they fielded a starting lineup that included three freshmen (Jacob Carwell, Rob Bridgeman, and Dan Klecan), a sophomore (Jared Bailey) who saw garbage minutes in ten games last year for BU, and a junior (Tim Swanson) who is the only returning starter.

Grace Bible is not a good team. You can't whitewash that Falcons loss, Libero.

Quote from: escalade07 on November 21, 2006, 12:43:38 AMWhile I think that it is obivous who you both see winning this game. I think that the winner will only have a 3-5 pt. advantage. I know NP is SUPPOESED to be good but that jury is still out.

NPU is 1-1 as well. They lost in overtime to host Mount St. Joseph in the opening round of MSJ's tipoff tourney on an outrageous foul call with one second left in regulation that sent the game into an undeserved OT. It was such a bad call that it led to the MSJ coach and one of the refs apologizing for it afterwards. The Vikings then defeated a decent Kalamazoo team the next night by five. NPU is young, too, with only one senior in the starting lineup and only one starter who was on the team at the end of last season (another starter tore his ACL last January). I don't know how well the Park is going to do tomorrow, but I know that they're hungry to avenge last season's home loss to the Cougars.

I expect to see a good game tomorrow night in River Forest, and I'm anticipating a solid performance by NPU.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 21, 2006, 04:18:39 AM
Quote from: escalade07 on November 21, 2006, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: The Guru on November 20, 2006, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: Marcus Ellwood on November 20, 2006, 10:17:49 PM
Just a prediction... ;D

CUC- 75
N.P.- 64

My prediction is

North Park 65
Concordia  58



While I think that it is obivous who you both see winning this game. I think that the winner will only have a 3-5 pt. advantage. I know NP is SUPPOESED to be good but that jury is still out. CUC's jury is still out as well, but I think that a strong weekend with these young athletes has made them a better team already. I know that they are hungry for a win at home. Last year CUC had some great success at home (ex playing with Augie for a half). Anyway wish I could be there for the home opener, but CUC will come out of this dog fight on top!


Based on what I saw in the leagues in both Des Plaines and Deerfield this summer, I would say NPU has a SLIGHT advantage IF they play together and hit their outside shots. My concern with North Park is that they have a lot of players who seem to have good athletic/basketball ability. However, I believe a good portion of their roster is new to the program and the players need time to play together and jell AS A UNIT. In comparison, Concordia seemed like a team that plays well together and is strong in the fundamentals, but is SLIGHTLY lacking in overall athletic ability. Speed and leaping ability on the side of NPU. Unity and fewer turnovers on the side of Concordia. Please keep in mind this info is based on how the teams looked during the summer. With preseason conditioning and formal team practice since last month, things may have changed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2006, 04:36:42 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 21, 2006, 04:18:39 AM
Quote from: escalade07 on November 21, 2006, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: The Guru on November 20, 2006, 11:30:13 PM
Quote from: Marcus Ellwood on November 20, 2006, 10:17:49 PM
Just a prediction... ;D

CUC- 75
N.P.- 64

My prediction is

North Park 65
Concordia  58



While I think that it is obivous who you both see winning this game. I think that the winner will only have a 3-5 pt. advantage. I know NP is SUPPOESED to be good but that jury is still out. CUC's jury is still out as well, but I think that a strong weekend with these young athletes has made them a better team already. I know that they are hungry for a win at home. Last year CUC had some great success at home (ex playing with Augie for a half). Anyway wish I could be there for the home opener, but CUC will come out of this dog fight on top!


Based on what I saw in the leagues in both Des Plaines and Deerfield this summer, I would say NPU has a SLIGHT advantage IF they play together and hit their outside shots. My concern with North Park is that they have a lot of players who seem to have good athletic/basketball ability. However, I believe a good portion of their roster is new to the program and the players need time to play together and jell AS A UNIT. In comparison, Concordia seemed like a team that plays well together and is strong in the fundamentals, but is SLIGHTLY lacking in overall athletic ability. Speed and leaping ability on the side of NPU. Unity and fewer turnovers on the side of Concordia. Please keep in mind this info is based on how the teams looked during the summer. With preseason conditioning and formal team practice since last month, things may have changed.

No, that's a fairly accurate assessment of NPU. As I said, NPU only has one player in the starting lineup who was on the active roster at the end of last season, forward Jay Alexander. The other starters include three transfers (Anthony Lenoir, Stephano Jones, and Sheldon Evans) who are new this year, plus guard Jason Gordon (who as I said tore his ACL last January). Three of the first four players off of the bench are freshmen, and the fourth is a sophomore. The Vikings are definitely talented -- and, just as definitely, a work in progress in terms of chemistry and familiarity with each other and with Coach Paul Brenegan's system.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2006, 06:32:28 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 21, 2006, 04:58:30 AM
GS---

Thanks for confirming my analysis based on this summer's play is still valid. 

Specifically, with regard to Alexander, I think the only thing keeping him from 3rd team all conference is that he is a genuinely nice guy both on and off the court. I have talked to him VERY briefly on a couple of occasions, and this was my initial impression.
From a basketball standpoint, I think he would really have something going if he maintained that nice guy behavior OFF the court, but played a bit meaner ON it.

There may be something to that. Jay is a genuinely nice and personable young man. I'd settle for him becoming more muscular rather than meaner, though.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on November 21, 2006, 09:27:24 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2006, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: libero on November 20, 2006, 03:33:12 PMBTW - Grace Bible is pretty good. They recruit well in Grand Rapids, MI. I think they get players who don't have the grades to make it at Hope, Calvin, or Cornerstone.

QuoteI'm not sure where you heard this, but it isn't true. Grace Bible is 3-7. One of their other two wins, which came at the hands of NAIA-2 Davenport, is legit for this level. The other one was over another Bible school, NCCAA-2 member Atlanta Christian.

Looks like it could be a long season for CUW then. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
The Way I See It,

Downtown,
Stop giving us a 12 page update on MSOE. For starters, they are not even currently in this league. And most importantly, they cost the conference its automatic birth to the NCAA tournament. I would much rather pick up my National Enquirer and read about K-Fed trying out his new WWE moves on Justin Timberlake. Save your game capsules and MSOE updates for your Thanksgiving Day toast at the dinner table.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 21, 2006, 09:58:43 PM
Looks like UW-Oshkosh is going to win big vs. Edgewood. The Titans were up by some 20 pts. or so with approx. 2 minutes left when I lost my connection to the Edgewood feed.
DeMarco got his share of points, but the Eagles' slow second half start did them in.

(BTW, anyone want a separate board set up just for Northern Athletics Conference in-game updates?  Your call, your choice, folks. Just throwing that out there.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Fartcus Smellwood on November 21, 2006, 10:27:22 PM
N.P. 68
CUC 30

for this, I put myself on silence and I am embarrassed by my prediction...ouch...ouch...ouch... :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mr_b on November 21, 2006, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: Marcus Ellwood on November 21, 2006, 10:27:22 PM
N.P. 68
CUC 30

for this, I put myself on silence and I am embarrassed by my prediction...ouch...ouch...ouch... :-X

The CUC website gives the final as 68-31.  At any rate, the margin of victory is a surprise to everyone, and the Vikings dominated in every statistical category.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2006, 01:45:22 AM
The final score was indeed 68-31, NPU over CUC. North Park could've won by a lot more, too; but Coach Brenegan put in his JV players at the end of the game, and he also declined to press a Cougars team that has obviously ballhandling problems.

I'll have to check the NPU record book when I get home, but I think that this might be an all-time best for the Vikings in terms of fewest points allowed. Considering that this is a pretty storied program that owns five national championships, any new "all-time best" tends to be a pretty significant accomplishment.

The Cougers were missing PG David Mikrut, but his presence would not have made a bit of a difference this evening. NPU simply put the Cougars on lockdown. The Cougars only had 16 points at halftime, and it took them eight minutes into the second half before they even broke the 20-point barrier. The NPU defense was absolutely stifling.

It was sweet revenge for last year's Cougars win over the Vikes in Chicago, and then some.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2006, 12:38:47 PM
That may be what the UWW/Marian game will be like tonight...I think they play.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 08:00:48 PM
Rockford  vs. WLC on deck: 

Go, Warriors!!!


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 08:25:34 PM
WLC 20, Rockford 11, just shy of 11 minutes left in 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 08:49:02 PM
Halftime score:  WLC 37, Rockford 20.

So far, the Warriors have, for the most part, kept the Regents' transition game in check--however, the Regents went on a 5-0 run to end the half. WLC's hit several shots from outside and Lindbergh's had a couple of lay-ups.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 09:20:25 PM
WLC 59, Rockford 38. 12 minutes left in 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2006, 09:47:16 PM
Coach Noon  emptied his bench late. Final, WLC 77, Rockford 68.  :) ;)

Things to note:

1)  WLC's lead reached 26 at one point in the seond half.

2)  The Regents' outside shots weren't dropping when they had to have them.

3)  This poster wonders how much closer the entire game would have been had Rockford had a couple of games under its' belt before-hand. (Tonight was Rockford's first game, the Warriors had played 2 last weekend in Iowa.)

4)  WLC outshot Rockford from the field 48% to 30%.

5)  Guess who WLC gets next??  Lawrence.  (Yes, that Lawrence).

The Warriors get off on the right foot in Northern Athletics Conference play.  :) ;) 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 22, 2006, 10:40:20 PM
The Way I dont even know why Im bothering to that reply to that stupidity but

Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
Stop giving us a 12 page update
exagerations are mighty fun but in order for my post about something relevant to D3 basketball to be 12 pages that would make your post complaining about my post approximately 3.5 pages :o
Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
they are not even currently in this league.
I believe we have been accepted and unfortunately are in the league. However, we currently are not "playing" in the league. Our athletics page even has the cool logo. Besides I dont think the hardworking people who run this board and site would care to have MSOE having its own thread for a season
Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
they cost the conference its automatic birth to the NCAA tournament.
That sure is a sad story, almost brought a tear to my eye. So because MSOE tried to improve its athletic prestige, they should no longer be mentioned in anything? Perhaps they should have just kept the name of the conference.
Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
I would much rather pick up my National Enquirer and read about K-Fed trying out his new WWE moves on Justin Timberlake.
you could do the same thing you do I presume you do there and just not read it.
Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
Save your game capsules and MSOE updates for your Thanksgiving Day toast at the dinner table.
Or I could post them on a d3 basketball message board. I am posting my thoughts on MSOE after their first game just like I hope you post your thoughts on your team after they play their first game because I probably wouldnt have a chance to watch every game and would appreciate your insight on your team so I could become just alittle more knowledgeable.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2006, 02:44:06 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 22, 2006, 12:38:47 PM
That may be what the UWW/Marian game will be like tonight...I think they play.

Just the opposite, OS. Final score: UW-Whitewater 74, Marian 70. This one was a true nailbiter; Marian had a four-point lead going into the last quarter of the game, and the Sabres were within a trey of tying it with under twenty seconds left. Unlike the Illinois Wesleyan game, this time the Warhawks made their FTs at the end of the game (5-6 in the last half-minute) to secure the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
The Way I See It,

Downtown,
Stop giving us a 12 page update on MSOE. For starters, they are not even currently in this league. And most importantly, they cost the conference its automatic birth to the NCAA tournament.


I don't know that that's the case. The conference seems to have enough pieces for one conference to have absorbed the other and keep its automatic bid. No need to blame MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2006, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2006, 02:44:06 AM
Just the opposite, OS. Final score: UW-Whitewater 74, Marian 70.

Actually, I went to the game.  I posted what's below on the WIAC page and then posted a quick note on this board.  For some reason it didn't post...maybe I just previewed it and never posted it.  You weren't at the game, were you? 

I was very surprised about the result.   

Whitewater struggles through another win tonight in Fond du Lac.  I was able to drive the 40 minutes to see Marian more than hold their own against the Warhawks.  Whitewater held a slim 35-34 lead at the break and never took control of the game like I thought they would.  I'm not sure if Whitewater has a hard time getting up for games against so-called lesser opponents, but Marian was not afraid of them.

Once again, defense, or lack thereof, hurt Whitewater.  They had a hard time rotating and helping out on defense and didn't communicate well on offense.  There were plenty of times when Marian would come and double from behind and no Whitewater player told the ball handler and would be stripped of the ball.

Rob Perry was a force and I'm not sure why he doesn't start.  I noticed that Craig Anderson barely made it off the bench after starting, so I think Perry will see the majority of those minutes.  Gio Riley came through with some clutch shots and defense.  Freund looked lackluster as did all of the big men on Whitewater, seemingly always getting outrebounded and outhustled.

Whitewater boxscore (http://www.mariancollege.edu/athletics/MensAthletics/MenBasketball/statistics/MBB%20Stats/0607mbb/mbbgame3.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 24, 2006, 12:34:43 AM
Quote from: Old School on November 23, 2006, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2006, 02:44:06 AM
Just the opposite, OS. Final score: UW-Whitewater 74, Marian 70.

Actually, I went to the game.  I posted what's below on the WIAC page and then posted a quick note on this board.  For some reason it didn't post...maybe I just previewed it and never posted it.  You weren't at the game, were you? 

No, I wasn't there. I read this room before I got to the WIAC room last night, which is why I didn't realize that you had posted about UWW @ Marian elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on November 27, 2006, 10:46:12 AM
So I came up a little off on my prediction. But hey thats life, anyway I am looking forward to CUC vs CUW tommorrow. I love when we play each other always a good game. I am takeing CUC to win this hard fought game. But score...non to report.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on November 28, 2006, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: The Way on November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 PM
The Way I See It,

Downtown,
Stop giving us a 12 page update on MSOE. For starters, they are not even currently in this league. And most importantly, they cost the conference its automatic birth to the NCAA tournament.


I don't know that that's the case. The conference seems to have enough pieces for one conference to have absorbed the other and keep its automatic bid. No need to blame MSOE.

I have it first hand that MSOE's decision to pull out of the merger at a late date, cost the NAC the AQ. Their failure to field a women's team in 2000 or 2001 also cost women's soccer an Automatic bid to the tournament. A Lakeland team team that had won 15 games failed to  make the tournament that year. There are still hard feelings over that. . .I wonder how long this latest mess up will be held against them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Tiger Woods on November 28, 2006, 01:35:05 PM
libero is 100% correct.  MSOE has once again cost this conference their automatic bid.  I'm surprised more of you didn't already know that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LU_nut on November 28, 2006, 04:59:24 PM
but the conference was nice enough to let them back in after the MWC said no thanks....right???

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 28, 2006, 05:06:06 PM
You have to keep the same conference name and bylaws to retain the automatic bid. Other than that you can add or drop as many teams as you want. Provided you maintain the minimum required. It's not like the new conference is banned from post season play. It may even get two teams in under the Pool B criteria.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 28, 2006, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: The Roop on November 28, 2006, 05:06:06 PM
You have to keep the same conference name and bylaws to retain the automatic bid. Other than that you can add or drop as many teams as you want. Provided you maintain the minimum required. It's not like the new conference is banned from post season play. It may even get two teams in under the Pool B criteria.

That happened this year in Men's Soccer in this conference. Dominican won in regular season and the Stars and Aurora both got in as Pool B teams, so it is possible, if both in-conference and overall record is good enough to justify it. If you manage to knock off a ranked team or two, that helps as well.

(As a comparison, in volleyball, Benedictine IL took the post-season tournament after Aurora won in regular season, but either strength of schedule was too weak, or overall record--particularly in Benedictine's case--wasn't good enough. I heard from reliable sources at two NathCon schools that the overall record in volleyball against ranked teams wasn't very good.)

This poster wonders how costly this conference's out of conference basketball losses will be at the end of the season.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 28, 2006, 06:23:31 PM
The level of quality for Pool B teams making the tournament haven't quite been as high as the Pool C (general at-large bid) in most recent years.  Last year, the Pool B teams were much more competitive, but years ago, they would be laugher teams, usually with a record barely above .500.  Some (or most) of the biggest blowouts in NCAA history have been with Pool B teams.

...  But, because, generally, the teams haven't had a ton of competition, this is good for a conference such as the NAthCon because they won't have the same stringent qualifications (necessarily...) as at-large teams from conference that DO recieve an automatic bid.

... but, again, at the same time, if the entire conference would end up at around .500, then they aren't guaranteed a big at all, so I guess it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 29, 2006, 03:54:18 AM
Quote from: Tiger Woods on November 28, 2006, 01:35:05 PM
libero is 100% correct.  MSOE has once again cost this conference their automatic bid.  I'm surprised more of you didn't already know that.

No offense, but someone with the e-mail address of tigerwoodsfavre@yahoo.com doesn't strike me as an authoritative source on how the NCAA might decide to award an automatic bid.

You only needed four core members of one of the two conferences if you re-organized correctly. I was pretty sure you had more than five from one side or the other. Perhaps MSOE is just being made a scapegoat here.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on November 29, 2006, 06:29:23 AM
What was the main or real reason for the 2 conferences to merge? Was it that both conferences were failing ? And what did they lose by joining together like post season play? Why blame MSOE because they felt they had a better shot in a different conference?This works out better for me because we play more Illinois schools so less travel time ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 29, 2006, 07:53:16 AM
It appeared to make more sense from a geographical location/travel standpoint. WLC's football situation is such that in their current conference (MIAA) the Warriors end up traveling to Michigan for all their road games. Further, since that squad could only schedule non-conference in-WI teams, WLC's football team gets at least slightly less local attention. Once the NathCon football conference begins play in 2008, the likelihood that that squad may draw more local talent could increase. WLC's been competing with Rockford and CUW yearly anyway.

Further, adding the IL squads may figure to bolster the strength of the new conference (as far as nationwide reputation) in the long run.

Maybe a fan from an IL school can chime in with their side of things.

(Don't know enough about MSOE's rationale for trying to get into a different conference to comment on that.) MSOE's squads still win their fair share of games (MBB landed an NCAA tournament berth a few years back,)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 29, 2006, 07:54:39 AM
11/28 NathCon final:

Concordia, WI 69, Concordia-Chicago 66.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on November 29, 2006, 08:44:56 AM
AU beat north central in good fasion yes thats right number 19 ranked NORTH CENTRAL is this au team for real.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: plattbacker on November 29, 2006, 10:30:16 AM
Does anyone know if Dominican's webcast is a live webcast or an archived one? 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on November 29, 2006, 11:38:56 AM
The webcast at DU will be live
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Tiger Woods on November 29, 2006, 02:52:34 PM
Pat,

wow, I apologize for my email address.  I didn't know we were supposed to have intelligent email addresses before we began posting on here.  By the way, I do really appreciate your hard work with this site.  It's been a great site for many years, and it continues to get better.

Anyways... I thought people on here were expecting CUC to be good this year?  Losing to CUW without probably their three best players (Lipanot, Becker, and Leibham) is a huge surprise.  Maybe it was just one game, but I don't see CUW being very competitive at all with some of the top teams in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LUMAN80 on November 29, 2006, 05:25:07 PM
i really dont think that this thing falls on msoe especially seeing the former position of your ad
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 29, 2006, 09:46:26 PM
Final:  Dominican 61, Edgewood 59.  

A Stars steal and pass to Haiduc for a jam--then Dominican held on.  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on November 29, 2006, 11:12:15 PM
Tough loss for EC.............
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 30, 2006, 05:31:14 AM
Final per MSOE's web site:  MSOE 70, Rockford 66.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on November 30, 2006, 02:06:52 PM
Once again, folks, MSOE most certainly cost the conference the automatic bid. The cause was the timing of their decision. Clarke also pulled out, but did it far enough in advance - MSOE did it too late in the process.

The NIIC did not have a bid, the LMC did. If all of the original LMC members had stayed, the bid would have remained intact.

The big issue is - why dissolve the old LMC? The NIIC schools should have had to join the existing conference. I personally believe that the answer to this question is the desire of several schools to have a new football conference. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 30, 2006, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: libero on November 30, 2006, 02:06:52 PM
The big issue is, why dissolve the old LMC? The NIIC schools should have had to join the existing conference. I personally believe that the answer to this question is the desire of several schools to have a new football conference. . .

That was a contributing factor, at least in WLC's case.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 01, 2006, 12:16:43 AM
It's too bad that the LMC threw away 20+ years of solid history in exchange for a football conference.

It is going to be an interesting basketball season anyway. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2006, 12:51:20 AM
Quote from: libero on December 01, 2006, 12:16:43 AM
It's too bad that the LMC threw away 20+ years of solid history in exchange for a football conference.

It is going to be an interesting basketball season anyway. . .

20 years is not very old, and it's football that brings in the money.  It's not like basketball is in Siberia forever when it comes to the AQ.  It's a two-year wait, right?

If I were the NIIC teams, I'd feel slighted joining the LMC and having it remain the LMC.  It's not like 1 or 2 NIIC teams joined...a lot did, they should have a say in the name as well...though they should've come up with a better name than the Northern Athletics Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 01, 2006, 01:37:32 AM
Come on though OS... NAthCon sounds MUCH better than anything you could come up with for EITHER of the other conference....!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2006, 04:23:06 AM
Quote from: libero on November 30, 2006, 02:06:52 PM
Once again, folks, MSOE most certainly cost the conference the automatic bid. The cause was the timing of their decision. Clarke also pulled out, but did it far enough in advance - MSOE did it too late in the process.

You're wrong, Libero. According to the NCAA D3 Bylaws, 31.3.4.2 and 31.3.4.3 (which are on pages 256 and 257 of the Bylaws, if you want to go on the NCAA website and see for yourself), a conference must maintain seven participating schools in a sport in order to remain eligible for an automatic berth. (This is further referenced in the 2006-07 D3 men's basketball championship handbook on page 14.) And the LMC most certainly had seven participating schools in men's basketball, even without MSOE: Concordia (WI), Dominican, Edgewood, Lakeland, Maranatha Baptist, Marian, and Wisconsin Lutheran.

Also, as Pat said, 34.3.4.3.1 of the Bylaws allows for a two-year grace period during which a conference can keep its automatic bid as long as it retains four core members. (A core member is a school that participates in at least two sports within that conference.) The LMC, of course, had a lot more than four core members, so it wouldn't have even been necessary to invoke the grace-period clause of 34.3.4.3.1.

The reason why the automatic bid disappeared had nothing to do with the departure of MSOE, and everything to do with the decision to form a brand-new league rather than absorb the four remaining members of the defunct NIIC into the LMC fold. If the twelve schools (remember, there's a women's college in the NAthC, Alverno) had simply elected to unite under the old LMC banner, they'd be playing for an automatic bid this year -- including new members Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia (IL), and Rockford, because 31.3.4.2 (d) allows new members of a qualifying conference to be immediately eligible for the automatic bid if those new members are already full members of D3 (which those four schools are).

In other words, the blame doesn't rest on MSOE's shoulders. It rests on the shoulders of the other twelve schools, because they elected to form a brand-new conference rather than simply expand the old one. And the Bylaws require the new conference to endure a two-year waiting period before their application for an automatic bid can be considered by D3.

As for the football-conference argument, it's not particularly germane, and for the same reason. All the LMC would've had to do was add football as one of its officially-sponsored sports, and the eight schools that will field football teams in the NAthC starting in fall of 2008 (Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia IL, Concordia WI, Lakeland, Rockford, Maranatha Baptist, and Wisconsin Lutheran) could've simply taken to the gridiron two years from now under the LMC aegis.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 01, 2006, 12:29:16 PM
Greg,
Wasn't Dominican a provisional member of the LMC? Did that have to do with it, as without MSOE being the 7th participating school, the LMC only had 6 members?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2006, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 01, 2006, 01:37:32 AM
Come on though OS... NAthCon sounds MUCH better than anything you could come up with for EITHER of the other conference....!

NathCon is what Pat Coleman and the rest of the d3hoopsters came up with, not the members of the combined conferences!  It conflicted with NAC.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 01, 2006, 08:31:44 PM
Projections for 12/2 NathCon games:

Aurora over Lakeland.
Benedictine over Concordia-Chicago
Rockford over CUW  :o ??? (do the Falcons still have 2 starters out?) The Regents are due for a win.
Dominican over WLC (the Stars' overall athleticism gave the Warriors fits last season-can't see Dominican losing at home anyway. Wouldn't mind eating crow on this one if I turn out wrong because I'd be eating it with a smile.)  :) ;) :D

(Just so it's out there, this poster doesn't intend to start a separate pick'em board. I'll leave that to someone else.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on December 02, 2006, 12:25:32 PM
Aurora over Lakeland
Benedictine over Concordia-Chicago
CUW over Rockford
WLC over Dominican (in a close one)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 02, 2006, 05:39:54 PM
WLC/Dominican match-up joined in progress.

Dominican up early, 17-9.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 02, 2006, 07:05:48 PM
WLC and Dominican are going into OT tied at 77!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 02, 2006, 07:17:26 PM
Aurora up 101-94 on Lakeland with .02 left in 2nd half.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 02, 2006, 07:22:23 PM
Another final just in:

WLC 91, Dominican 85,  OT  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D

WLC went on a 10-0 run to end the game

For Dominican Haiduc had a relatively quiet game scoring wise but Jose Garcia and Tonsil hit several clutch 3's in this back and forth game.

Hagel hit a couple of threes for the Warriors and they got to the line and hit their FT's in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bufan on December 02, 2006, 10:16:26 PM
WOW  Benedictine defeated CUC today.  But that is not the point of this post.  This is directed at the fans of CUC.  The 13 person "student section"  displayed some of the most pathetic forms of sportsmanship I have ever seen.  I have never had a problem with heckling players, its downright fun if you keep it clean.  However, they heckled Benedictine's head coach.  Said some things that mostly were incoherent and rude.  You do not do that to a coach.  This wasnt just one or two instances.  This was virtually every single play of the game.  No exaggeration.  These kids embarrassed themsevles and their AD should be thoroughly disappointed/embarrassed with his student fans.  You wanna heckle the ref, the players, fine.  When you constantly are yelling at the coach for his actions/comments, that crosses the line for me.  This all happened directly after the Announcer read  how sportsmanlike they are at CUC and how all fans should display it.  Oh yeah, and this was going on while they were down by 24 in the first half.  Pretty disgusting performance by the fans if you ask me.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 02, 2006, 10:44:02 PM
Scott Murphy's basket with 2.6 seconds vs. Marian gave the Raiders a 1 point victory tonight. MSOE was down by double digits (I bleieve 14) midway through the second have after Coach Miller took a double technical and was ejected from the game but MSOE crawled back. Nice crowd and a nice homecoming win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 03, 2006, 01:24:29 AM
Quote from: keith45 on December 01, 2006, 12:29:16 PM
Greg,
Wasn't Dominican a provisional member of the LMC? Did that have to do with it, as without MSOE being the 7th participating school, the LMC only had 6 members?

No, because if Dominican was provisional it was strictly as an LMC member, not as a NCAA D3 member. In other words, the provisional status would've been internal, not external. As far as the NCAA was concerned, the LMC would've had seven member schools in good standing that play men's basketball even after MSOE left the fold.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 03, 2006, 06:05:28 AM
12/2 NathCon final:

Per Benedictine's site:  Benedictine 78, Concordia Chicago 67.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 04, 2006, 02:48:58 PM
The conference was told by the NCAA that the AQ would be preserved if all original LMC members joined the new conference. This was a customized mandate, not a set policy.

The LMC blew it, by not sticking together and making the NIIC teams join. There was no reason for the LMC to fold. The NIIC was a dysfunctional 5-team conference that was going nowhere. Imagine where they would be today as Clarke goes NAIA, Dom joins the LMC and Rockford imploads on itself.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on December 04, 2006, 11:04:05 PM
Dominican was a full fledged member of the LMC last year. Funny how they wanted to join that conference to get away of the "reputations" of a couple of the other NIIC schools. The move was very much football driven and Clarke's decision to go NAIA (from the president and supported by some of the staff) was partly decided by the fact that missed class time among other things was supposed to be an emphasis when figuring out the scheduling. That obviously was not the case.  A few members of the staff were very much in favor of going NAIA as many of them went or worked for NAIA Mt.Mercy.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 05, 2006, 07:30:42 AM
12/05 Projection:

Dominican over Maranatha:  (The Stars take out their frustrations on Maranatha. Even without last Saturday's loss, Dominican's got a lot of people who can step it up on offense.)  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lmcfan33 on December 05, 2006, 09:50:09 AM
Prediction for 12/5:

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Dominican over Maranatha. Wait...I think I WILL go out on a limb and change that-- 'Natha stuns the Stars in OT.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 05, 2006, 02:06:31 PM
Durty, you haven't made a lot of money in Vegas, have you.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on December 05, 2006, 03:33:39 PM
The Stars by 10 tonight against Natha. MBBC has improved but they are just looking forward until they play Rockford (best shot at a conference win)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: escalade07 on December 05, 2006, 08:27:26 PM
BU fan,
You have got to be kidding me. You wanna talk about unsportsmanliek behavior, lets go there. I seem to remember being flipped the bird last season several times by one of your players. He also made a gesture like mooning towards the students. Second, the only pathetic thing would be the way you guys almost blew the game. CUC is haveing a rough start and the fans are frustrated. When a coach acts the way yours does he is asking for what he got. Finally, if you have such strong feelihgs why talk about it online. Be a man and say something after the game. Bottom Line CUC lost and we are dealing with that. But BU is a sorry excuse for sportsmanship and you need to see the players actions before the fans, because the players play and the fans watch!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on December 05, 2006, 11:35:55 PM
Dominican 101 MBBC 37!!!
I know that Natha is bad, but this has reached a whole new level of embarrassment. Is there a D IIII that we can play in??
Go Lady Saders
Lady Saders 67 Stars 66!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lmcfan33 on December 06, 2006, 01:04:24 AM
ok ok so I went out on a limb and it broke... :-\ You just gotta pick an upset ONCE in a while. Obviously I was wrong to pick this one. I talked to someone that was at that game for Dominican and apparently they came out in a match-up zone and 'Natha didn't know what to do with it. (not that they would know what to do anyways) That's just embarrassing.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2006, 05:18:36 AM
Per the box score on the Stars' website, Dominican also outshot MBBC 70% to 11% in the first half, and the Stars shot 72% for the entire game!

(Now Maranatha knows how WLC's WBB team felt earlier this season after UW-Stevens Point blew the Warriors out by just shy of 40 points on the Warriors' home floor--the Pointers shot 61% in that game).

The point of my last 2 lines is--it's better not to throw stones too harshly from one's (my) own glass house.  :-X ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2006, 05:34:28 AM
Quote from: The Lone Sader on December 05, 2006, 11:35:55 PM

Go Lady Saders
Lady Saders 67 Stars 66!!!


As per play by play of box score, sounds like Goff and Peterson came up big on D in the last few seconds of that one. Even though 2 of the Stars' scoring threats still got their points, Crusader women apparently shot better as well.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2006, 05:38:42 AM
12/06 projections:

Lakeland over Concordia-Chicago

Edgewood over Marian

Benedictine over Rockford  (Regents' lack of size inside hurts their chances).

Aurora over WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Fartcus Smellwood on December 06, 2006, 11:47:45 AM
Quote from: bufan on December 02, 2006, 10:16:26 PM
WOW  Benedictine defeated CUC today.  But that is not the point of this post.  This is directed at the fans of CUC.  The 13 person "student section"  displayed some of the most pathetic forms of sportsmanship I have ever seen.  I have never had a problem with heckling players, its downright fun if you keep it clean.  However, they heckled Benedictine's head coach.  Said some things that mostly were incoherent and rude.  You do not do that to a coach.  This wasnt just one or two instances.  This was virtually every single play of the game.  No exaggeration.  These kids embarrassed themsevles and their AD should be thoroughly disappointed/embarrassed with his student fans.  You wanna heckle the ref, the players, fine.  When you constantly are yelling at the coach for his actions/comments, that crosses the line for me.  This all happened directly after the Announcer read  how sportsmanlike they are at CUC and how all fans should display it.  Oh yeah, and this was going on while they were down by 24 in the first half.  Pretty disgusting performance by the fans if you ask me.

I like having discussion with you over in the football chat BUFan but come on...do you need a tissue bro? Seriously, go to a U of I game, a Duke game, whatever...the coach will get heckled. Its all a part of the game and if you couldn't take it, why didn't you just leave if it offended you so much. BU won, CUC isnt having a good year and probably will continue on that same path. Your coach was acting ridiculous and he obviously deserved what he got...the one question I ask is what is so different from heckling a coach to heckling players and even refs since you seem to think that is okay??? I am sorry man, like I said earlier, I like having convos with you in the football chat but this is something petite and it happens everywhere, and I am sure it happens at BU too. BU got the W, be happy.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2006, 09:51:48 PM
Coach Brumett (sp?) gets a road win--Lakeland 86, CU-Chicago 72. Final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2006, 10:01:17 PM
Caught post-game account for Marian vs. Edgewood:

2 Finals as per those announcers:  Edgewood 77, Marian 67

                                                        Aurora IL 100, WLC 91. (No surprise there, but still. . .  :().

Eagle announcers indicated per stats that Edgewood shot nearly twice as many free throws as Marian.

Edgewood's next opponent is-- (drum roll, please,)  UW-Stevens Point, on the road.                               
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2006, 10:18:43 PM
NathCon final per Rockford College site:  Benedictine 74, Rockford 54.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Fartcus Smellwood on December 07, 2006, 03:14:20 PM
Come on CUC!!! What is going on? I know you are all better than that!!! We need to get an offense going, 44-29 is not a good half time score for a fan to come into... I believe in you guys, things just gotta start clicking. Keep your heads up!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 07, 2006, 09:45:40 PM
Final just in:  WLC 102, Northland Baptist Bible College 53.  :) ;) :D

        (Per WLC announcers, Coach Noon was able to give his starters plenty of rest.)

Next up for WLC:  Concordia-Chicago on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mr_b on December 08, 2006, 11:24:49 PM
Final score from Chicago: North Park 91, Rockford 88.  The Regents came back from an 11-0 start to pull within 5 at the break but couldn't send the game to OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2006, 04:57:45 PM
12/9 projections:

Aurora over Maranatha
Benedictine over CUW
Dominican over Marian
Lakeland over Rockford
CU-Chicago over WLC (putting head above heart on this one).

(If I eat crow, I eat crow.)  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2006, 07:07:01 PM
Final just in:  Benedictine 89, CUW 69.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2006, 07:17:02 PM
Another final:  WLC 90, Concordia-Chicago 83. I'm eating my crow with a smile. (Whew!)  :) ;) :D

The Warriors barely get out of there with a win.

Per WLC announcers:  1)  WLC led by as much as 13 points in 2nd half before going into a cold-shooting spell from the field and the free-throw line.

                                    2)  Several costly turnovers did the Cougars in. They had the game tied on a couple of occasions but never got over the hump.

                                    3)  If 2 of the Cougars' better players don't foul out--

                                    4)  Cougars forced to foul late.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2006, 07:32:13 PM
Final per Marian web-site:  Marian 63, Dominican 61.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on December 09, 2006, 07:41:40 PM
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH AU ARE THAY WINNING?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2006, 08:38:12 PM
Finals:  Aurora IL 110, Maranatha 44.

            Lakeland 108, Rockford College 64.

                Routs!!!
           
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 10, 2006, 01:45:28 PM
The battle of giants looms - this Friday night - Rockford at MBBC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on December 10, 2006, 03:50:39 PM
Just a side thought on the Lakeland-Rockford game - what's with Rockford's coach??? He basically quit on his team about 5 minutes in. LC got off to a 20-1 start - they could not miss and Rockford could not make anything (and they got some decent shots). And with the way Lakeland runs this year, the rout was on. Rockford called a timeout in the first half and the coaches and bench players stayed on the bench and their coach told his 5 guys in the game to stay on the floor and talk themselves. If I'm a Rockford parent or the athletic director I would be plenty steamed at this guy! They are not a horrible team and his players deserved a lot better than what he gave them yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 10, 2006, 06:30:47 PM
Worchester Polytechnic 74 MSOE 71
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2006, 08:02:59 PM
What in the world has happened to Rockford??!!

Just 4 years ago they were 24-4.  Even 2 years ago they were 18-9.  How did they get so bad so fast?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 10, 2006, 09:16:49 PM
Quote from: libero on December 10, 2006, 01:45:28 PM
The battle of giants looms - this Friday night - Rockford at MBBC.

This poster doesn't envy the Crusaders' position. Maranatha gets Concordia-Chicago at home before they get the Regents. The Cougars lost one they could have very well had against WLC at home (had several ill-timed turnovers and 2 of their better players fouled out.) Wouldn't be surprised if they gave Maranatha a royal hammering just to take out frustration.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2006, 03:34:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2006, 08:02:59 PM
What in the world has happened to Rockford??!!

Just 4 years ago they were 24-4.  Even 2 years ago they were 18-9.  How did they get so bad so fast?

Ryan Rebsome (the head coach, who's in his second year) lost almost his entire team from last season's 15-12 campaign, including his three best players (Jacob Dunkel, Maurice Smith, and Lane Good, who were 1-2-3 in both scoring and rebounding last season for the Regents). Rebsome's got ten players suiting up this year, eight of whom get consistent playing time. They're small (only one player above 6'3, and he plays the perimeter), and their coach uses some questionable strategies (pressing for forty minutes with an undermanned team during a night game when you have a day game the next afternoon doesn't strike me as a sound use of your thin roster, especially when the press isn't working).

But Rockford's biggest problem, I'm guessing, is that it's hard for any coach to recruit there right now, considering the dire straits in which the school finds itself. There's a lot of rumors going around that the closure of Rockford College is imminent. The latest rumor is that Northern Illinois University is going to acquire the school and keep it open as an honors-level branch campus of NIU. It sounds plausible, as I know of at least one NIU grad program that is hosted in Rockford rather than DeKalb. We'll see.

(Perhaps if RC is revamped as a state school, NIU-Rockford, they can join the WIAC and give the cheeseheads an even ten members. ;))
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 11, 2006, 07:41:16 AM
12/11 projection:  UW-Stevens Point over Edgewood.  (The Pointers are at home, and this poster figures they'll want revenge big time after last-season's near miss.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 11, 2006, 11:38:05 AM
RC is circling the drain. Their women's coach has had no prior college coaching experience - did not even play in college.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 11, 2006, 09:40:05 PM
12/11 Final (non-conference)

UW-Stevens Point 69, Edgewood 47.

Averkamp got his points, but DeMarco only 2-10 shooting.
Pointers' Hicklin 7-10 from 3-pt range.
Edgewood twice as many turnovers as the Pointers.
Pointers had 12 steals to Edgewood's 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 11, 2006, 09:43:58 PM
Greg, message received!

I would certainly never attend a school believed to be in its death throes!  (Not that I was recruited in any sport, though a desperate enough school might have gone for me in tennis ;))

[Rumors of its demise had not reached southeast Michigan - d3 gets NO respect! :D]

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on December 11, 2006, 09:55:51 PM
Marcus , Marcus , Marcus ,
                                        Your fans leave something to be desired, what a joke even the student who thinks he is Gilbert Godfried with that whine like voice. The funny thing was he couldn't pronounce the asst. coaches last name so he called him Coach Aaron, he must be from North Boone, no wonder the Wisconsin fans call us FIB"s.No class my man, nothing you would expect from a Luthern school, especially a MS Lutheran school. # 20 from Lakeland went to a MS grade school and you guys show as much class as Rockford Lutheran during sporting events.Tell me again about the whoopin you were going to give Lakeland................
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2006, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2006, 03:34:38 AM

(Perhaps if RC is revamped as a state school, NIU-Rockford, they can join the WIAC and give the cheeseheads an even ten members. ;))

The "W" in WIAC means WISCONSIN....Do we then switch the WIAC to the WIIAC? lol  ;D  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 12, 2006, 01:22:23 AM
Quote from: Old School on December 11, 2006, 11:20:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 11, 2006, 03:34:38 AM

(Perhaps if RC is revamped as a state school, NIU-Rockford, they can join the WIAC and give the cheeseheads an even ten members. ;))

The "W" in WIAC means WISCONSIN....Do we then switch the WIAC to the WIIAC? lol  ;D  :P

Not necessary. The 'M' in MIAA stands for Michigan ... and yet there's two Indiana schools in the league, St. Mary's (IN) and Tri-State. Plus, Wisconsin Lutheran has been playing football in the MIAA for the past few years, although they're going to join the NAthC fold when this conference adds football in 2008. Buffalo State and Cortland State, both of which are New York schools, play football in the NJAC (New Jersey Athletic Conference). The ODAC contains Guilford, which is located in North Carolina rather than the Old Dominion State (aka Virginia), and Catholic (located in the District of Columbia) plays football in the ODAC. Finally, the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference contains a Delaware school, Wesley.

As usual, probably more information than you really wanted from me, OS.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 12, 2006, 05:32:13 PM
We in the WIAC like to be different...

I suppose that the WIAC people might anticipate a senario like that since they changed it from the Wisconsin State University Conference (WSUC) to the WIAC some time ago...maybe they thought about having a non-UW school or a private school joining in the future!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2006, 06:21:37 PM
In this era of acronyms, I can see why the WIAC changed from W-SUC! ;D

Since the CCIW has only one school not in Illinois, I lobbied for CCIIIIIIIW, but I seem to have been voted down (or, more likely, just ignored!) :D

You could always become the WWWWWWWW(W)IIAC conference! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 06:24:36 PM
Might NIU-Rockford have an edge, being the only state school in D3 IL?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2006, 11:21:54 PM
12/12 Final:  CU-Chicago 63, Maranatha 43. (CUC wins on the road and gets off the schneid in-conference).   

    (libero:  hope MBBC has a high fan turnout Friday night --it might be one of the few in-conference wins the Crusader men get all season.)  :-\ :-X :-X :-\

     Watch out if the Regents are hitting their 3's.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lmcfan33 on December 13, 2006, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2006, 11:21:54 PM
12/12 Final:  CU-Chicago 63, Maranatha 43. (CUC wins on the road and gets off the schneid in-conference). 

This was a closer game than it looks...Maranatha cut the lead to two points in the second half. They shot themselves in the foot with deep foul trouble.

Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2006, 11:21:54 PM
    (hope MBBC has a high fan turnout Friday night --it might be one of the few in-conference wins the Crusader men get all season.)

Forget just this season--A win would be the first in-conference victory for the Crusader men in 3 years!  :o

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 13, 2006, 01:50:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 12, 2006, 06:21:37 PM
In this era of acronyms, I can see why the WIAC changed from W-SUC! ;D

Since the CCIW has only one school not in Illinois, I lobbied for CCIIIIIIIW, but I seem to have been voted down (or, more likely, just ignored!) :D

You could always become the WWWWWWWW(W)IIAC conference! ;)

Since Carthage's student population tends to run as high as 2/3rds Illinoisians, a lot of people might say that the 'W' in CCIW is slightly misleading.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 13, 2006, 10:50:22 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2006, 11:21:54 PM
12/12 Final:  CU-Chicago 63, Maranatha 43. (CUC wins on the road and gets off the schneid in-conference).   

    (libero:  hope MBBC has a high fan turnout Friday night --it might be one of the few in-conference wins the Crusader men get all season.)  :-\ :-X :-X :-\

     Watch out if the Regents are hitting their 3's.



Unfortunately for the 'Saders, the fall semester ends this week. 99% of the kids will be heading home before this match. I will be in attendance, however. Maybe I'll break out he facepaint and cape to cheer on the boys in Super Fan style.

I am not going to predict a win on Friday night, but I will guarantee that MBBC will get a conference win during the 06-07 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on December 14, 2006, 06:13:42 PM
 I'm really not informed on a lot of D3 things but,aren't the Wisconsin schools connected with University of Wisconsin, example:University of Wisconsin ,Stevens Point ? If they are what would be the difference between the Wisconsin schools and Northern Illinois University, Rockford
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 14, 2006, 07:43:40 PM
Nothing. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 15, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
Except one is a real school and one is a hypothetical.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 15, 2006, 10:39:55 AM
12/15-16/ projections:

Maranatha over Rockford  (if the Regents are hitting their 3's, look out!)

WLC over Concordia, WI  (if the Warriors are hitting their 3's, at least being even in rebound battle and can avoid too many scoring droughts, their chances are good.)

Aurora over Edgewood

Lakeland over Benedictine.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 15, 2006, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 15, 2006, 10:39:55 AM
12/15-16/ projections:

Maranatha over Rockford  (if the Regents are hitting their 3's, look out!)

WLC over Concordia, WI  (if the Warriors are hitting their 3's, at least being even in rebound battle and can avoid too many scoring droughts, their chances are good.)

Aurora over Edgewood

Lakeland over Benedictine.

MBBC over Rockford - thanks for the love WLCALUM; I hope you are right
WLC over ConcW - I'll agree here, I'm not too impressed w/ the Mequon Lutherans after their loss to Grace Bible
Aurora over Edgewood - picking against AU right now is a big mistake
Benedictine over Lakeland - I think Lakeland is not going to have a good year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on December 15, 2006, 09:12:02 PM
The battle for the basement has been all it was billed to be

Rockford 33 Maranatha 31 at the half

Ted Anderson getting the Saders out early with three threes
Rockford came back by picking up the tempo of play
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on December 15, 2006, 10:08:01 PM
Final Rockford 67  Maranatha 56

Rockford was only up by 3 with four min. left to go, but Natha could not make a shot at the end of the game

Side Note: Rockford's Coach, Fans, and Players (#22 the most) have the worst sportsmanship in the conference. The cheep shots that their guys gave could have easily caused injury. The language to the refers should be unacceptable. I was disappointed with the college; maybe it is a good thing that the school might not last that much longer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on December 15, 2006, 11:36:54 PM
Rockford's school may not last much longer?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 16, 2006, 12:48:41 AM
Quote from: wizbegs1304 on December 15, 2006, 11:36:54 PM
Rockford's school may not last much longer?

See posts the previous 2 pages.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2006, 07:21:20 PM
NAC Final:  Edgewood 68, #23 Aurora 65.

Averkamp and DeMarco came up big scoring wise. Aurora's Welton held well below his normal scoring avg per Edgewood announcers.

Fahey hit several clutch FT's late.  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2006, 08:09:57 PM
12/16 Final:  Benedictine 74, Lakeland 66 (per Benedictine's web site).

     Concordia, WI/WLC men's final yet to come in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2006, 10:16:27 PM
12/16 final:  WLC 94, Concordia, WI 90.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D

Whew!  WLC wins another one they very well could have lost-- at home.

This was a back and forth affair. CUW's Atkinson had a big game scoring wise. WLC, despite shooting only 5-14 FT's in 1st half, barely escapes with a win. WLC's Sorum had a big night scoring wise (25 points), the Warriors came up with several clutch defensive stops, Lindbergh and Hagel hit some big hoops down the stretch, and after the Falcons were forced to foul late, WLC hit 3 of 4 FT's at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 16, 2006, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2006, 08:09:57 PM
12/16 Final:  Benedictine 74, Lakeland 66 (per Benedictine's web site).

And This Site (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=5704&scoreboard) has Lakeland winning!  As does the Lakeland site...2 v 1!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2006, 10:35:55 PM
OS, I guess you're right. I stand (and sit) corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 16, 2006, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2006, 10:35:55 PM
OS, I guess you're right. I stand (and sit) corrected.

I wasn't right, persay...I just checked this site's scores first, then saw your post and then went to the Lakeland site as well...and that's not to say Lakeland's site is always right and Ben's is not!  :-\ ??? :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2006, 10:17:56 PM
12/18 Non-Conference Final:

North Central 74, Benedictine 54.

Conference Final:

Marian 68, Concordia-Chicago 56.

Dominican gets Coe of Iowa tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 18, 2006, 11:09:27 PM
North Central 74
Benedictine    54

Leading scorers for Benedictine---Bridgeman 12 pts, Swanson 11 pts
                          for NCC--Walton 25 pts. (11 fo 16), frosh Reid Barringer 20 pts (7/13)

Rebounds--Benedictine 23,  NCC 43 (Walton 10)

Remarkable stat of the night----Benedictine was held to one 2 pt FG in the 2nd
                half--along with 5 threes
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2006, 11:23:39 PM
12/19 Non-conference finals:

MSOE 67, Concordia-Chicago 59.

Aurora, IL 99, Loras 71.

Dominican vs. Coe yet to come in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2006, 02:27:36 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2006, 11:23:39 PM
12/19 Non-conference finals:

MSOE 67, Concordia-Chicago 59.

Aurora, IL 99, Loras 71.

Dominican vs. Coe yet to come in.

Coe beat Dominican, 72-61. The Stars will face Lake Forest in the consolation game of the Midwest Invitational tournament out in Huntington Beach, CA on Wednesday evening.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 20, 2006, 02:23:33 PM
Watched Aurora handle Loras last evening.  Surprised at volume of 3-pt. attempts, 17 of 43, in fact 2/3 of fga were 3's!  Aurora should win NAC.  Eager to see Edgewood re-match.  Game with Millikin tomorrow night will determine if they are truly strong.  Aurora's schedule is extremely weak.  They should schedule more CCIW and IIAC teams next year instead of a cake-walk!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 20, 2006, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: coebball70 on December 20, 2006, 02:23:33 PM
Watched Aurora handle Loras last evening.  Surprised at volume of 3-pt. attempts, 17 of 43, in fact 2/3 of fga were 3's!  Aurora should win NAC.  Eager to see Edgewood re-match.  Game with Millikin tomorrow night will determine if they are truly strong.  Aurora's schedule is extremely weak.  They should schedule more CCIW and IIAC teams next year instead of a cake-walk!

Coebball,
Due to the new conference, AU doesn't have a ton of non conference games to schedule. They played and beat a CCIW school which was ranked top 15 I think (North Central), they have 1 more CCIW school on the schedule, as well as Beloit and a so-so NAIA school which they beat...They also have Clarke, which is independent this year and won the NIIC last year. So 2 CCIW schools, (one of which was ranked top 15), a NAIA school, a LMC school, Loras (which was picked top 4 in the IIAC) and an independent doesnt equate to a cakewalk...just my 2 cents
I think the Edgewood game will be a close game for the first half, but EC had  hot START AT HOME
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 20, 2006, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2006, 02:27:36 AM
Midwest Invitational tournament out in Huntington Beach, CA

???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 20, 2006, 05:53:08 PM
hey Keith - a Duhawk is second cousin to a Kohawk - you know, it's an Iowa thing, the whole state goes to the birds....Iowa Hawks, etc.

you are right - i did forget about Spartans win over North Central - a really over-hyped CCIW bunch - but I still think the schedule is a cake-walk with half the teams sporting losing overall records.

The Spartans are fun to watch, though.  I'll eat some 'humble pie' if you do to Millikin what you did to Loras - even though they too will have a losing record overall at year's end.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: budder on December 20, 2006, 10:18:07 PM
Dominican beat Lake Forest tonite in CA
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 21, 2006, 02:15:38 AM
Quote from: from downtown on December 20, 2006, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2006, 02:27:36 AM
Midwest Invitational tournament out in Huntington Beach, CA

???

Four midwestern D3 teams (North Park, Lake Forest, Dominican, and Coe) traveled out to Cali and held their own tournament in a juco gym that they rented, rather than follow the usual routine and sign up for a SLIAC team's tournament (which means accepting with the SLIAC team's home-cooking refs, accommodations, guarantee, food, etc.).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 21, 2006, 10:57:55 PM
Well, me bad.  Aurora romps Millikin handily 90-75.  Millikin made two minor runs in the second-half to try to make it a game.  Aurora anwsered with two better runs to close the door for good.  Welton's tough, ain't nobody going to keep him from getting his points.  A couple of excellent 3-ball shooters compliment him and Aurora won't lose a game now until tournament time.  It's still too bad for them that they don't play anybody tough from here out.  Season will get a little boring with no competitive fights in sight.  Good luck Spartans, hope you're not 'one and done' come March!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 21, 2006, 11:05:42 PM
Were it not for Edgewood's mild upset, the Spartans would still be undefeated. Coebball 70, if they do indeed run the table in conference the rest of the way, so much the better from a PR standpoint for the Northern Athletics Conference.  :) ;) :D (Heck, they might be the only NathCon team to get in, should they win out.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 21, 2006, 11:40:18 PM
Don't get me wrong, all I'm saying is the Spartans should run the table in the NAC.
I don't see a team that will come within 10 points of them on a bad night.  They will also be ranked somewhere between 15th and 8th by February 15th.  But....will they be ready for a run in the tournament?  I hope so.....but I doubt it due to strength of schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on December 26, 2006, 01:19:03 AM
Northern Athletics Conference Standings (thru December 25th, 2006)

NAC Overall Team
4-1  6-4       Wisconsin Lutheran
3-1  8-1       Aurora
3-1  3-3       Lakeland
3-1  4-5       Benedictine
3-1  3-4       Edgewood
2-1  4-4       Marian
2-2  4-5       Dominican
1-2  1-6       Concordia-Wisconsin
1-3  1-7       Rockford
1-5  2-8       Concordia Chicago
0-5  3-6       Maranatha
0-0  8-2       M.S.O.E.

What is everyone's thoughts on the season so far? Lot of games to be played yet, but what are your takes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 26, 2006, 07:22:45 AM
The closest thing to a surprise to this point, IMHO, is probably Marian, with WLC coming in a bit further down. Most frustrated team in terms of "should have won" in-conference games goes to Concordia-Chicago. If 2 of their better players don't foul out, they beat WLC at home, case in point. CUW knocked them off by 3 pts. earlier as well.

Not to knock my own team, but--barring the unforeseen--given WLC has to play Lakeland and Benedictine twice yet, I'd expect the Warriors to slip some, but still remain in the thick of the conference playoff hunt right to the end. Dominican may move up a little as well.

:) ;) :D :-X :-X :-X



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 27, 2006, 06:12:03 PM
Props to Edgewood's C Averkamp on making d3hoops.com's Team of the Week!  :) ;) :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 27, 2006, 09:31:47 PM
12/27 final:  Edgewood 72, Colorado College 57 (per Edgewood site.)  :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 08:26:12 PM
12-28 final:  Edgewood 72, Baldwin-Wallace 64. Per B-W site. (That may put the Eagles in the Cactus Jam Championship Game.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: bufan on December 28, 2006, 11:44:59 PM
Some very simple logic. 

Northwestern beat Wheaton by 2 and DePaul by 10.....Wheaton beats DePaul by 8....DePaul beat Kansas by 7.......Wheaton beats Kansas by 15.......Kansas beats Florida by 2......Wheaton beats Florida by 17
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 29, 2006, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2006, 08:26:12 PM
12-28 final:  Edgewood 72, Baldwin-Wallace 64. Per B-W site. (That may put the Eagles in the Cactus Jam Championship Game.)

Now that's impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2006, 08:15:42 PM
12/29 Finals:  Occidental 90, WLC 63.  :-X :( :)
                      UW-Eau Claire 73, Marian 54. (Blugolds 7-18 from 3 pt range, outshout Marian altogether per Blugold post-game account).
                      Wabash over Lakeland.
                      Cornell 88, Benedictine 82 (2 OT's) 
                      Transylvania/Rockford and MSOE/Bethany, KS yet to come in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2006, 06:47:10 AM
The  12/29 "rout of the day" award goes to:

Transylvania:  Transy 77, Rockford 33. (Per Transy site-Regents shot 15% in the first half.)  :-X :-X :-X

Per OxyBob's report on the SCIAC board--MSOE lost to Bethany, KS. (Thanks for posting that, OxyBob).

Maybe Oxy and Transy ought to duke it out sometime. . .   (ba dumm bumm.)   :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2006, 05:25:21 PM
12/30 Finals:  Lakeland 81, Alma 68. (Per Alma site, Rogers 29 pts. Muskies simply outshot Scots all around).
                       Simpson 69, Edgewood 50.
                       Benedictine beats Coe by 1 point in OT.
                       Marian 72, Finlandia 52 (Marian site) (per box score, Sabers had a ton of 2nd chance pts.)
                       MSOE lost a close one to Cal Lutheran (CLU site).

                       NathCon men go 3-2 on the day.
                       

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2006, 06:04:35 PM
12/31 Finals:  WLC 117, Cal Tech 57.  :) ;) :D

                       Rockford College 52, Westminster (Utah) 51. (per Regent web site).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mac Attack on January 01, 2007, 11:23:40 AM
Rockford College loses by 44, then bounces back and wins by one the next night! My hat's off to any coach and team who can make that happen. How good is a NAIA Division 1 team compared to teams in the NAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 01, 2007, 01:39:30 PM
The Rockford College web-site account of their victory over Westminster indicates that the Westminster sqaud was 22nd Ranked in NAIA Div I going into that game. Also, the Regents tightened up the D and came out of the gate much better on offense than they did against Transy.

Bethany, KS knocked off NathCon provisional member MSOE (and the Raiders had an 8-2 record going into that game).

Another case in point, in a different region, NAIA Westmont (CA) gave ASC member Mississippi College a good run for its' money before losing by less than 10 points the other night.

At this point, NathCon record vs. NAIA for this season so far from what this poster could gather is 3-1. (MSOE 1-1, Aurora 1-0, Rockford 1-0.) Vs. NCCAA, NathCon is 4-2 (MBBC 2-1, WLC and Benedictine both 1-0, and Concordia, WI 0-1).

In "Multi-Region Topics" check out "D3 vs. D2/D1/NCCAA/NAIA/other" (or something like that) where another poster "Rhodes Scholar" is keeping track of all men's NCAA Div III vs. Non-Div III opponents for this season.  :) ;) :D

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 12:01:46 PM
Might not be a very accurate ranking. Westminster is now 8-7. Hardly great.

The thing about the NAIA divisions is that they are not very large. There are fewer than 100 teams total in NAIA Division I -- 88 listed on the NAIA site, in fact. A top 25 of NAIA Division I would be like if we ranked a Top 80 or so of D-III.

The top 5 or so in NAIA Division I are normally considered unwinnable games for D-IIIs. But the rest, ehh, not so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2007, 09:35:59 PM
U of Chicago 70, MSOE 53. Final:  (U of Chicago hitting their 3's, per MSOE broadcast).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2007, 09:44:54 PM
Props to WLC athlete Brian Hagel for reaching the 1,000 point plateau! (He also got the last 2006 NathCon MBB Player of the Week Award). (Given Coach Noon's "balanced scoring" and philosophy of not having one "do it all" dominant player, quite the accomplishments.) He's majoring in Communications.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2007, 09:52:28 AM
1/03/07 In-Conference Projection:

Lakeland over Concordia-WI  (Muskies are at home. CUW could pull a win out if Atkinson has a good game like he did vs. WLC earlier this season).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2007, 10:01:26 PM
Final:  Lakeland 74, Concordia, WI 73. (CUW's Atkinson called for traveling, and then on the last play CUW
s Robinson stole the ensuing inbounds pass and missed a lay-up at the buzzer.)

Lakeland's Saiberlich, Sontag, Regal, Grube and Ehnert all scored in double figures. CUW couldn't get too many inside shots to drop late when they had to have them.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2007, 10:26:39 PM
1/03/07 Non-conference final:

Dominican 74, Eureka 65.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 06, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
1/06/07 Projections:

Aurora over Marian: (Still not the easiest of "road tests" for the Spartans).

Concordia-WI over Rockford:  (CUW's at home and hungry for a win after losing the heart-breaker to Lakeland a few nights back).

Lakeland-Edgewood--hate to waffle on this one, if Rogers plays I pick Lakeland, if he doesn't I pick Edgewood. (don't know how long his suspension was supposed to last). On paper this is the NathCon Men's Game of the Day).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 06, 2007, 07:00:04 PM
Final:  Concordia-WI 68, Rockford College 57:  Regents had it down to 2 with 5 minutes left, but their shots weren't dropping down the stretch.

Final:  Edgewood 68, Lakeland 64:  (Per Lakeland site, Edgewood stepped it up and out-rebounded Lakeland by 9 for the game, and the Eagles also got to the line more than Lakeland). Rogers held to 9 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 06, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
Two more 1/6/07 finals:

Aurora 76, Marian 70. (Marian box score indicates Aurora was 9-21 from 3 pt. range).

Knox 70, Concordia-Chicago 66. (from Knox site).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2007, 07:04:34 AM
1/08/07 Projections:

UW-Stevens Point over Lakeland: (Muskies have had others step it up last 2 games, but will have to hustle to keep score close if Pointers are on their game-especially on the 3's--a Muskie win would be a big feather in NathCons' cap if they could pull it off--IMHO highly unlikely.)

UW-Whitewater all over Maranatha:  Crusaders coming off long layoff. (libero and I will eat our crow separately with a smile if I'm wrong on this one).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 08, 2007, 09:16:58 AM
I think the 'Saders are happy with the guarantee money. A win is a little too much to ask. I still stand by my prediction that MBBC will come up with a conference win this season - although the likelihood of that decreased with their loss to RC before the break.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 08, 2007, 05:44:27 PM
The Way I See It,

My Muskies are in a little bit of trouble. Saturday's game against Edgewood was a game they should have won. I do not take anything away from Edgewood as they clearly earned it, but it was a game that shouldn't have even been close. It was a 6-4 matchup for 17 minutes of the game (the amount of time that Matt Rogers played).

He clearly decided he was going to play for Edgewood on Saturday. From the moment he made his first touch of the basketball on Saturday, you could tell he was on a different mission than the rest of the team. He was out there to try and accumulate his stats after having sat out the team's previous game. Between the handful of bad shots and 4 turnovers (0 assists) in 17 minutes, it was dreadful. But none of that compares to what he did after hitting one of his 2 field goals. After hitting a 3 pointer late in the game, he held both hands in the air with 3 fingers up and stared at the Edgewood bench for about 3 full seconds.

I would like to see the scoring differential between the minutes Rogers played and the minutes he sat the bench. As a fan, it was very frustrating walking away from that game having witnessed all of this. He is too talented of a player to let this kind of stuff happen. I hope for Lakeland's sake, he gets his act together both on AND off the court.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2007, 09:38:18 PM
UW-Stevens Point 97, Lakeland 59--final: (Muskies had it down to 9 early in 2nd, but the Pointers pulled away and turned the game into a rout.)  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2007, 10:12:38 PM
1/10/07 Projections:

Benedictine over WLC: Depends on how fast the Warriors come out of the gate.

Edgewood over Concordia-Chicago:  Averkamp and DeMarco will continue to come up big.

Aurora over Dominican:  If the Stars are hitting their 3's this will be more of a game, but can anyone slow down the Spartans' star player?

Marian over Rockford:  Regents need to put together 40 good minutes of basketball. Still could pull off a mild upset if Marian has an off night.

Non-conference:

Lakeland all over Northland Baptist: 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on January 09, 2007, 12:07:05 AM
WLC over Benedictine
Edgewood over Concordia-Chicago
Dominican over Aurora
Marian over Rockford

Non-conference:
Lakeland over Northland Baptist Bible College
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 09, 2007, 12:29:44 AM
Whitewater 92, MBBC 27 (http://www.uww.edu/athletics/news_events/2007_01_08_MBBC.html)...ouch.  7 points in the first half and trailed 46-6.

Boxscore (http://www.uww.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statistics/mbbc.htm)

Point 97, Lakeland 59 (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/06-07/Lakeland.htm)...Boxscore (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/mbbgm-14.htm)

Down 23-8, Lakeland goes on 15-5 run to pull within 28-23.  Point then goes on a 17-5 run to close out the half...45-28.  Lakeland cuts it to 9 two minutes into the 2nd half and then it's all down hill from there.

Point hits 16 3pters to run their mark to 7 straight games of hitting 10 or more 3s in one game...I think it's seven games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on January 09, 2007, 03:04:10 AM

             
Quote from: The Way on January 08, 2007, 05:44:27 PM
The Way I See It,

My Muskies are in a little bit of trouble. Saturday's game against Edgewood was a game they should have won. I do not take anything away from Edgewood as they clearly earned it, but it was a game that shouldn't have even been close. It was a 6-4 matchup for 17 minutes of the game (the amount of time that Matt Rogers played).

He clearly decided he was going to play for Edgewood on Saturday. From the moment he made his first touch of the basketball on Saturday, you could tell he was on a different mission than the rest of the team. He was out there to try and accumulate his stats after having sat out the team's previous game. Between the handful of bad shots and 4 turnovers (0 assists) in 17 minutes, it was dreadful. But none of that compares to what he did after hitting one of his 2 field goals. After hitting a 3 pointer late in the game, he held both hands in the air with 3 fingers up and stared at the Edgewood bench for about 3 full seconds.

I would like to see the scoring differential between the minutes Rogers played and the minutes he sat the bench. As a fan, it was very frustrating walking away from that game having witnessed all of this. He is too talented of a player to let this kind of stuff happen. I hope for Lakeland's sake, he gets his act together both on AND off the court.
The Way,
                 Any time you want some information on or about Matt Rogers I would be happy to sit down talk with you. I am at most of the Muskies games and would be available to talk. Just look for a fan wearing last years warmup jacket the Nike  navy & white, you can't miss me I'm 6'1  and about 250 and usually quiet (I don't yell too much)by the way you can call me Al.........


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 09, 2007, 01:09:37 PM
The Way I See It,

No need to sit down and talk as i only state things 'the way i see it'. I know probably more than you think I do about the Lakeland team, players, and coaches. I hope your son (i am assuming this is the case) does rather well in a Lakeland uniform, both for his sake and the team's sake. I am not just basing this off of what was clearly evident in Saturday's game. As i said, i know quite a lot about the team, both on and off the floor. I also know why he and several other players were not in uniform last Wednesday night. I have nothing against Rogers or any of the other Lakeland players. I will still cheer as loud as the next Muskie fan when i am at the games. I only stated things 'the way i saw them'.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 09, 2007, 03:42:36 PM
Props to Marian's Titus Redmond for surpassing the 1,000 point mark for his playing career!-(-per NathCon web site. ) :) ;) :D 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on January 09, 2007, 07:19:16 PM
WHO IS THE SPARTINS STAR PLAYER I THINK IT IS A EVEN SPREAD. WELTON IS PASSING THE BALL AND GETTING HELP DOWN LOW
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 09, 2007, 10:36:42 PM
Let me clarify- I thought it was Welton--given from what little I've seen he was getting the most recognition in print-as far as individual player performance.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 10, 2007, 08:00:55 PM
Early final:  Lakeland 104, Northland Baptist 65. Rout!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 10, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
Final:  Edgewood 70, Concordia-Chicago 54:  (Eagles went on a scoring run late in 2nd half to seal it.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 10, 2007, 09:48:01 PM
Final:  Benedictine 72, WLC 71:  (Eagles offensive rebound and put-back with 2.4 seconds left was the difference.)  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 10, 2007, 10:34:10 PM
Two more NathCon 1/10/07 finals:

Aurora 90, Dominican 66.

Marian 74, Rockford College 55.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 11, 2007, 09:56:45 AM
Boy, Marian is making a move. I haven't seen them play. I have always liked Redmond, who else do they have?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 11, 2007, 10:40:29 AM
Jordan Van Ess and J. Holewinski have assisted Redmond as far as providing additional scoring punch in the starting line-up thus far. Bestor's been a 3-point shooting threat off the bench. Several players have been averaging anything from 4 to 6 rebounds a game, to this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 11, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
1/11-13/07 NathCon projections:

1/11:  Concordia-WI over Maranatha

1/12:  Aurora over Clarke

1/13:  Dominican over Concordia-Chicago (Cougars' Gray out for season--torn ACL)
           Benedictine over Maranatha (Eagle roll continues).
          Concordia-WI over Marian (too close to call-CUW gets the nod because it's a home game for the Falcons).
           Edgewood over Rockford (even more so if Regents' McCracken can't play).
           Lakeland over WLC (huge road test for the Warriors here.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2007, 05:30:28 PM
Conference records so far...

Aurora 5-1
Edgewood 5-1

Benedictine 4-1

Wisconsin Lutheran 4-2
Lakeland 4-2

Marian 3-2

Dominican 2-3
Concordia (WI) 2-3

Rockford 1-5

Concorida (IL) 1-6

Maranatha 0-5
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 11, 2007, 09:48:04 PM
Final:  Concordia, WI 91, Maranatha 76.

(Crusaders had it down to 11 a couple of times in 2nd half, but could get no closer.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 12, 2007, 10:12:26 PM
So, what's up with Dominican?  Everyone and their mother thought they'd contend and possibly win the title this year.  Apparently, so far, that isn't the case.  I'd hate to say I was right (up until now), so I won't! lol  :o ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 07:01:00 AM
Old School, my response is two-fold:  In checking out the box scores from the 3 Star in-conference losses--one common factor in all three is that teams have been able to get to the line quite often on Dominican, (that was the factor in their overtime loss to WLC) and against Marian and Aurora, the Stars have been out-rebounded. On paper, Aurora figured to be a loss for Dominican, anyway.

The next 3 games are winnable for that squad, however. Dominican gets Concordia-Chicago (the Cougars are without one of their leading scoring starters who's out for the season with a torn ACL,) Rockford College and Benedictine, so if the leaders slip any the Stars are still in contention.  :) ;) :D :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 06:31:49 PM
Approx. 11 minutes left:  CUW and Marian tied at 55.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 07:07:17 PM
Final:  CUW 77, Marian 75  (Sabers miss 4 shots from pt blank range that could have tied it).

           WLC is trailing Lakeland 74-59 with 4 minutes left in 2nd.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2007, 07:42:05 PM
11/13 Finals:  Dominican 85, CU-Chicago 70. (Dominican generally outshot the Cougars all around, per box score off Stars' web site.)

                       Maranatha lost to Benedictine, 58-42.

                       Edgewood defeated Rockford College 69-50. (Per what little this poster heard while site-hopping, Rockford frustrated the Eagles with a 1-3-1 zone defense in the first half. Eagles' Donais hit 6 3-pointers in the game. Regents only hit 25% from the floor in 2nd half, per Edgewood box score. Another would-be upset bid thwarted.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 14, 2007, 05:52:35 PM
The Crusaders jumped out to a 10-0 lead and led at half-time, but couldn't hang on. They are going to get one, though. . . .  I hope. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 15, 2007, 07:41:35 AM
1/16/07 NathCon projections:

Aurora over Concordia-Chicago: (Cougar's Gray being out will hurt big time this game.)

Marian over Benedictine:  (only because its' on the Sabers' home floor. This one's too close to call.)

Dominican over Rockford:  (Regents have a better chance if Stars aren't hitting their 3's, another close game.)

Edgewood over Concordia-WI:  (Close one #3--Falcons at times have tired out toward end of games--that was cited in their overtime loss at WLC earlier this season--per CUW broadcasters.)

Lakeland over Maranatha:  The Muskies keep pace with Aurora.


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2007, 09:51:45 PM
Good work on the updates, BTW.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on January 15, 2007, 11:19:43 PM
Aurora over Concordia-Chicago: Aurora

Marian over Benedictine:  Marian

Dominican over Rockford:  Dominican

Edgewood over Concordia-WI:  Edgewood

Lakeland over Maranatha:  Lakeland
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 16, 2007, 05:54:09 PM
Aurora v Concordia-Chicago: AU
Marian v  Benedictine:           Ben - Marian can't be this good
Dominican v  Rockford:          Dom
Edgewood v Concordia-WI:    CUW - home court advantage
Lakeland v Maranatha:           MBBC - because I don't have any money riding on it and I would love to see it happen
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 16, 2007, 09:42:08 PM
Less than 1:30 left in 2nd:  Edgewood 76, Concordia, WI 61. (Adrian emptying his bench now.)

Edgewood's Ciche, Averkamp and DeMarco all in double figures scoring wise.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 16, 2007, 10:04:20 PM
Finals:  Aurora, IL 77, Concordia-Chicago 71. (Cougars had at least 2 players foul out--had their chances but couldn't hit their shots when they had to have them.)

            Benedictine 66, Marian 57. (per box score off Marian site, Benedictine got to the line twice as much as Marian, and Marian only went 2-12 from 3-pt range, while the Eagles hit 7 three-pointers.)

            Dominican 89, Rockford 67. (per box score off Rockford site, Dominican's Haiduc had 32 points, the Stars got to the line twice as much as the Regents, and generally outshot Rockford altogether. Rockford's McCracken didn't play.)

            Lakeland 86, Maranatha 50. (per MBBC account, the Muskies came out of the gate fast, and weren't really threatened).


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 16, 2007, 11:40:28 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 16, 2007, 10:04:20 PM
Lakeland 86, Maranatha 50. (per MBBC account, the Muskies came out of the gate fast, and weren't really threatened).

they were up 30 at half time...boxscore (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/stats06/cmb13.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 17, 2007, 06:08:53 AM
1/18/07 Men's NathCon projections:

Aurora over Concordia-WI:  (Can't see Aurora sliipping up in this one.)

Concordia-Chicago over Rockford:  (Cougars have height advantage.)

Benedictine over Dominican:  (only because it's on the Eagles' home floor. Too close to call. Stars move further into contention with a win).

Marian over WLC:  WLC's well-rested, but if they come out of the gate slow. . .

MSOE all over Maranatha:  Raiders simply have more consistent scoring punch all-around.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on January 17, 2007, 12:02:31 PM
Aurora over Concordia-WI

Rockford over Concordia-Chicago

Dominican over Benedictine

Marian over WLC

MSOE over Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on January 18, 2007, 09:13:50 PM
can someone tell how to go on line to get the au concordia game info.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on January 18, 2007, 09:13:50 PM
can someone tell how to go on line to get the au concordia game info.

The link is:  www.cuw.edu/Athletics
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2007, 09:52:55 PM
Final:  Marian 81, WLC 63:   :( :( :(

             Warriors cut the deficit to 5 a couple of times in the 2nd half, but then Marian would answer with a 3. Redmond wasn't much of a factor due to foul trouble, but the Marian 3-point shooters were hitting virtually every attempt. M Zondag and Biesterfeld fouling out later only hurt WLC all the more. Tonight is their third NathCon loss in a row. Not good in a conference race that's this tight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2007, 09:55:39 PM
Other 1/18 Finals:

Aurora 95, Concordia, WI 71.

Benedictine 63, Dominican 49.

MSOE 74, Maranatha 42.

And the Mild Upset of the Evening Award goes to--drum roll, please).

Rockford College 69, Concordia-Chicago 68.     :o ??? :o ??? :o ???

  (per game stats from Regents' site, CU-Chicago was up 14 at half, outshot Rockford altoghether-so how did they lose? Rockford outrebounded the Cougars, for one, and Rockford's Allen Young scored the last 4 points of the game.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2007, 10:52:11 PM
NathCon Men's 1/20/07 Projections:

Concordia-WI over Dominican:  (Stars' offensive output inconsistent last couple of games.)

Edgewood over Benedictine:  (On paper, Eagles have a bit more offensive punch.)

Lakeland over Marian: (Tight one, especially if Marian's hitting on Saturday like they did earlier tonight).

Aurora over Rockford:  (Regents' hopes for 2 wins in a row short lived.)

Maranatha over WLC   :o ??? :o ???:  Warriors on a 3-game losing streak--perfect time for Maranatha to pull off a shocker.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 18, 2007, 11:07:30 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2007, 09:55:39 PM
And the Mild Upset of the Evening Award goes to--drum roll, please).

Rockford College 69, Concordia-Chicago 68.     :o ??? :o ??? :o ???

I had this game listed as one of the 10 games on the weekly national pick em contest...and yeah, I picked Concordia (IL)...BOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 19, 2007, 07:06:18 AM
Just took a look at the stats for the Marian/WLC game: 

Marian shot 8-17 from 3-pt range compared to 3-17 for WLC:

Marian shot 55% overall for the game:  (VanEss & Franklin 14-16 from the field between them. They took up the slack to make up for Redmond's off night). With numbers like that, they would have given even Aurora a run for its' money.

The Sabers may have had a bit of extra motivation to begin with--after all, the Warriors did knock them out of the LMC playoffs last season.

Are the Warriors still smarting from the heart-breaking last second loss to Benedictine, perhaps?? (Regardless, they appear to be finding out how different life can be now that they're the team with the target on their back, after making Nationals last year.)

They aren't out of it yet, but a few more losses, and they won't even make the conference tournament.
(They still have to play Edgewood even once, and rematches with CU-WI, CU-Chicago and Dominican--the first time they played each of the last 3, the games could very well have gone either way).

:-X :-\ :-X :-\ :-X :-\ :-X :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on January 19, 2007, 12:19:42 PM
WLCAlum, I nominate you to be the head speaker of the NAC, your a truly an indepth reporter for our league, now can you cover every team as you do WLC?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on January 19, 2007, 08:31:46 PM
WLCALUM83,
                     You were saying about the Warriors" won't even make the conference tournament", I thought all the teams make it with the top seed getting a bye being an odd number of teams this year. If not how many teams make it?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 19, 2007, 08:55:45 PM
Let me clarify: 

1--   I wasn't trying to bash WLC's men's squad per se. I was just indicating that since they got hot at the right time last season and were the only LMC squad to make Nationals last year, other LMC holdovers just may want to beat the Warriors all the more. (Marian was one of the teams the Warriors beat in the playoffs.)

2--   Only the top 6 teams qualify for the Northern Athletics Conference Tournament. If I recall correctly, the top 2 get byes and its' 3 vs. 6 and 4 vs. 5 in the opening round.

         Check out www.northernathleticsconf.com   and click on basketball and tournament links.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on January 20, 2007, 06:55:00 PM
Murphy out indefinitely with an ankle injury=Whitewater smokes MSOE >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2007, 07:04:28 PM
Ouch--hurts if that squad has any post-season aspirations!  :-X :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on January 20, 2007, 07:17:19 PM
who was top scoreing in au rockford rout?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2007, 07:27:50 PM
Per Aurora site, Mike Leonard led the Spartans with 21 points. (90-47 was the final). (Noted the Spartans hit 12 3-pointers in the game!!)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2007, 07:54:20 PM
Other 1/20/07 Finals:

Dominican 81, Concordia, WI 73. (Stars outshot Falcons in all aspects--had more balanced scoring and outrebounded them as well, per Stars' box score.)

Marian 71, Lakeland 66--OT. (Turnovers proved to be Lakeland's undoing in the overtime, as indicated on Marian's box score.) (Rogers scored 25 pts in a losing cause.)

Edgewood 65, Benedictine 49. (DeMarco 26 pts., Scott 16: Edgewood had a 45-30 advantage on the boards and outshot Benedictine altogether, per box score off Edgewood's site).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2007, 09:58:56 PM
WLC 89, Maranatha Baptist 38  some 5 1/2- 6 minutes left.  Whatever changes the Warriors made worked--at least for tonight--lest I be accused of "drinking too much WLC kool-aid" I will clam up while I'm ahead.  :-X :-\ :-X :-\ :-X :-\ :-X :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2007, 10:12:21 PM
1/23/07 Projections:

Edgewood over Maranatha:

Concordia-WI over Rockford:  (all the more given the Falcons' last game was a loss.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 22, 2007, 04:16:22 PM
Weekend results

Edgewood tops Benedictine
Aurora smokes Rockford
Marian stops Lakeland in OT
Dominican gets past Concordia (WI)
Lutheran destroys Baptist

Aurora 8-1
Edgewood 8-1

Benedictine 7-2

Lakeland 6-3

Dominican 5-4
Marian 5-4

Wisconsin Lutheran 4-4

Concordia (WI) 4-6

Rockford 2-8

Concordia (IL) 1-9

Maranatha Baptist 0-8

Can Edgewood top Aurora again?  Ummm...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2007, 08:53:16 PM
Minor correction:  WLC's NathCon record is now 5-4:

No big deal.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2007, 09:23:01 PM
1/24/07 NAthCon Projections:

Benedictine over Concordia-Chicago:

Aurora over Lakeland:

WLC over Dominican:  (only because it's a home game for the Warriors. Don't know what tricks either coach has up their respective sleeves--watch out though if the Stars are hitting on their 3's like they did in the earlier match-up.)  :-X :-\ :-X :-\ ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 22, 2007, 09:26:57 PM
Yeah...I checked the scores on the scoreboard, and I originally didn't have WLC's result.  But, I checked the NathCon site and it was listed, but I got the standings from this site, which of course didn't include WLC's win.  Oh well.  And I'm sure it's a big deal for you since you are a WLC fan! lol  :o ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 23, 2007, 10:17:15 AM
Is this the night that the 'Saders get their NathCon win? It will come when we least expect it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 01:51:16 PM
If anyone wants to know how former Lakeland Coach Gary Grzesk is doing, there's an article in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel giving him a lot of positive props for St. Norbert's strong in-MWC showing to this point.

jpotrykus@journalsentinel.com
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:08:29 PM
That's an e-mail address.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 23, 2007, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 01:48:58 PM
There's an article in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel giving St. Norbert Coach Gary Grzesk positive props for the up-to-now strong in-conference showing of the Green Knights.

jpotrykus@journalsentinel.com

Why do you want to email him? lol.  ;D :D ;)  I think THIS is what you meant (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=555594)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 07:17:43 PM
Early 1/23 Final:

Concordia-WI 71, Rockford College 64:  (This was a make-up of a game re-scheduled due to a slippery floor).

(Falcons got to the line for 10 more shots than Rockford, and Concordia-WI also had 5 guys score in double figures.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 07:28:24 PM
Quote from: Old School on January 23, 2007, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 01:48:58 PM
There's an article in today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel giving St. Norbert Coach Gary Grzesk positive props for the up-to-now strong in-conference showing of the Green Knights.

jpotrykus@journalsentinel.com

Why do you want to email him? lol.  ;D :D ;)  I think THIS is what you meant (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=555594)


OS, I just went with the first e-mail address I saw. Hopefully, next time, I'll remember.  :-[ :-X :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 10:18:41 PM
The other 1/23/07 Final:

Edgewood 62, Maranatha Baptist 37. (Eagles got twice as many rebounds as Crusaders, also got to the line a lot in the game--source is Edgewood box score:)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 24, 2007, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2007, 07:28:24 PM
OS, I just went with the first e-mail address I saw. Hopefully, next time, I'll remember.  :-[ :-X :) ;) :D

First email address?  Did you mean the link to the article or actually sending the guy an email?  Maybe I'm the one who's messed up.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 24, 2007, 05:06:52 AM
My original intent was to give the link to the article:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 24, 2007, 09:41:32 AM
Interesting game at the Tin Can last night. The Crusaders played some really outstanding defense, but I don't know if I have seen a more inept team on offense. Knepp had a strong night and Hollenbeck can shoot from outside when he is open.

Charlie "butterball" Avercamp had only 7 points, but 12 boards. He kept getting subbed a lot. . .and he wasn't in foul trouble at all. . . is he hurt or is this how it always goes? Charlie has great instincts and game awareness, his touch and passing are outstanding - he just looks like he belongs in an over-30 league.

The difference in the game was DeMarco with 20 pt and 14 boards - monster game. Maranatha had an answer for just about everything but him.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskurbator on January 24, 2007, 03:30:26 PM
OK I have to get it off of my chest because it has been burning me up all season long.  I have a strong belief that the Lakeland Basketball program has been put in the wrong hands.  With all due respect to Coach Brummett, I jsut don't feel like he is living up to the hype of a "basketball prodigy from the Hoosier State" like our alumni newsletter "The Fish Tales Gazette" originally reported.  I was real excited knowing he could have some knowledge of the game like other Hoosier state greats like Damon Bailey and Quinn Buckner.  However, he is not even half the coach that Damon Bailey has turned out to be in the semi-pro beer leagues he coaches in.  It's a darn shame.  I saw they even hired some slappy from a bush league D III school in Michigan.  We all know the MIAA stinks and how is the team supposed to get better with a Coach who barely scored 100 points in his career and went to one of those bogus private schools that plays in it's own little division.  I am a very prominent individual in the field of pharmaceutical sales with products like Herpacin and Valtrex and would be really willing to dump loads of money into the program. 

The first big mistake I have noticed is not playing the phenom from across the globe in the middle east 7 foot 2 inch Turkish Delight Suley Berk Ozluk. I had the wonderful opportunity of watching the Muskies play in the holiday shoot out at Franklin College and watched the young man from the mother land warm up.  He obviously has skills that remind me of a young unpolished cross between future hall of famer Gheorge Murisan and former North Carolina all-world stand out Serge Zwicker.  It's a real shame this kid has not gotten the chance to show off the skills that many would say are christ-like.  I was real impressed with his post-passing skills and ability in the lay-up lines.  It's truly amazing to wonder if Lakeland could have knocked off some of the teams that they have lost to and would have a well above .500 record if the Terrific Turk was in the line-up.  I even heard rumor that he did not make the trip to #18 ranked Aurora. This is where I fault Brummett for his inability to evaluate true talent.  I think this fine young man should find a place else where, where he could shine and perhaps make the NBDL.  So please Coach Brummett put in the Tenacious Turk and let him lead you through the NCAA tourney!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 24, 2007, 04:33:30 PM
Ouch.  I don't know enough about the program, the coaching staff or the players to comment on it without sounding stupid.  I've only seen Lakeland play once, and that was in Point.  They played them tough for awhile and have some solid players in Matt Rogers and Danny Ehnert. 

Quote from: Muskurbator on January 24, 2007, 03:30:26 PM
The first big mistake I have noticed is not playing the phenom from across the globe in the middle east 7 foot 2 inch Turkish Delight Suley Berk Ozluk. So please Coach Brummett put in the Tenacious Turk and let him lead you through the NCAA tourney!!!

In all honesty, I have no idea who you are talking about.  I don't recall seeing any 7-footer on Lakeland's team.  I would've noticed that.  After checking the site to see who you were talking about, the roster has him listed at 6'6", not 7'2". 

Even if Lakeland goes undefeated the rest of THIS year, they probably won't get any NCAA bid, as I think they'll be put in Pool B since their conference is not eligible for a Pool A (AQ) bid.

BTW, welcome to the board, you should be posting more often because Lakeland, or the NathCon as a whole, doesn't have much representation.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 24, 2007, 05:22:04 PM
Musk. . .
   Is this a serious post or are you high?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskurbator on January 24, 2007, 05:36:50 PM
I'm dead serious.  The only thing that is a lie is the height of Suley Berk Ozluk.  Other than that his tools are to incredible to not give him playing time and if you are too naive to notice his ability then shame on you.  By the way does my company sell our products to you?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 24, 2007, 06:57:41 PM
Lakeland's still in good shape. (If the season ended today, the Muskies would have a spot in the conference playoffs with a first round game against Dominican) I'd be surprised if Aurora slipped too much between now and the end of the regular season. IMHO, the Muskies need to stay in the top 6, then make some noise in the post-season NAthCon tournament.

(BTW-A Muskie win tonight would be a big help to them.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 24, 2007, 09:50:34 PM
Final:  Dominican 66, WLC 62.  (Warriors back to .500 in conference--Next opponent:  Edgewood on Saturday for the Eagles' "Jam the Gym" day). (Stars' Garcia 4-9 from 3-point range:  Warriors tried to make a charge from 23 points down-cut it to 2, but didn't get over the hump.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 24, 2007, 10:16:45 PM
Other 1/24/07 Finals:

Concordia-Chicago 72, Benedictine 64.  :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? (Cougars out-shot Eagles in first half, then hung on, per CU-Chicago box score--Benedictine better hope this loss doesn't cost them too much down the road).

Aurora 94, Lakeland 66. (Aurora site indicated all 5 Spartan starters scored in double figures).

Aurora is now tied for 1st with Edgewood.  Dominican is now tied with Lakeland.  Benedictine is 2 games off the pace.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 24, 2007, 10:37:54 PM
1/27/07 NAthCon Projections:

Aurora over Benedictine:  (IL Eagle squad takes another one on the chin)

Dominican over Lakeland:  (Only because its' a home game for the Stars--too close to call otherwise.)

Marian over Maranatha:  (Sabers' punch on offense figures to be too much for Crusaders, at least on paper.)

Edgewood over WLC:  (WI Eagles keep pace with Aurora by knocking off the Warriors on "Jam the Gym" Day).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 24, 2007, 11:48:14 PM
Alright, this is the one. This is the NAC game that Maranatha will win. Marian isn't quite as good as they have been playing and the 'Saders played great defense against Edge. This is the one they are going to get. . . I think.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2007, 01:52:45 AM
Quote from: Muskurbator on January 24, 2007, 03:30:26 PMI was real excited knowing he could have some knowledge of the game like other Hoosier state greats like Damon Bailey and Quinn Buckner.

Quinn Buckner may have played for Bobby Knight at Indiana, but he was no "Hoosier state great". He played his high school ball for Thornridge in Dolton, IL, where he led the Falcons to the 1971 and 1972 Illinois Class AA state titles, losing only one game in his junior and senior years combined.

Quote from: Muskurbator on January 24, 2007, 03:30:26 PMI saw they even hired some slappy from a bush league D III school in Michigan.  We all know the MIAA stinks

Ah, yes ... that would be the same stinky MIAA that owns two D3 national titles and six D3 Final Four appearances. Meanwhile, aside from Benedictine's 1991 Elite Eight run, nobody in this league has ever come within shouting distance of a D3 Final Four.

The MIAA is most certainly down this year, but anyone who makes the claim that the league stinks only proves that he does not know squat about D3 men's basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskurbator on January 25, 2007, 09:34:33 AM
Oh Gregory...  I just checked where the assistant was from in the MIAA and he went to Albion College.  I was unaware that they had any national titles and all of those final fours?  Yeah hooray for Hope and Calvin who have done well out of the MIAA but Albion?  nah.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 25, 2007, 06:10:40 PM
Muskurbator,

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 25, 2007, 01:52:45 AM
Meanwhile, aside from Benedictine's 1991 Elite Eight run, nobody in this league has ever come within shouting distance of a D3 Final Four.

And how long has Benedictine been in the current league with the likes of Lakeland?  Yeah, that's what I thought...so Benedictine's '91 run doesn't even count, you know what I mean.

Quote from: Muskurbator on January 24, 2007, 03:30:26 PM
I saw they even hired some slappy from a bush league D III school in Michigan.  We all know the MIAA stinks...

Albion lost in the 2005 Elite Eight to fellow MIAA foe Calvin, who lost in the semi-finals to Rochester.  They were 26-4 that year.  They took 3 out of 4 in the regular season from Hope and Calvin, then losing to Calvin in the MIAA tourney and then the Elite Eight.  20-6 last year, 20-7 in 2004 and 22-5 in 2003.  Just think how good their records would be if Hope and Calvin weren't in the MIAA.

I know a little about the former LMC and Lakeland College.  The only reason the LMC ever got bids into the NCAA tourney is because they get an AQ.  I wouldn't say the MIAA stinks because they seem to get a Pool C bid every year and they have teams that advance....something the LMC teams have yet to do, I believe.

BTW, what kind of "handle" is that coming from a "prominent individual" like yourself?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 26, 2007, 03:31:58 AM
Quote from: Muskurbator on January 25, 2007, 09:34:33 AM
Oh Gregory...  I just checked where the assistant was from in the MIAA and he went to Albion College.  I was unaware that they had any national titles and all of those final fours?  Yeah hooray for Hope and Calvin who have done well out of the MIAA but Albion?  nah.

Your unawareness seems to know no bounds, because Albion has been to a D3 Final Four. They finished third in the nation in 1978, back during Mike Turner's younger days as the head coach of the Britons. He's now in his 33rd year there, and he's amassed a 503-310 (.619) career record. He's currently ninth among all D3 coaches in career wins. He's also taken the Britons to four D3 tournaments; not bad, considering the stranglehold that Hope and Calvin have had upon that league over the past thirty years.

Go into the MIAA room and poke fun at Mike Turner and his program, and the first people to jump down your throat will be the Hope and Calvin people. Their teams have lost more than their share to Albion over the years.

Seriously, man, learn something about D3 before you go spouting off about who stinks and who doesn't.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 26, 2007, 10:39:17 PM
Final:  Concordia/Ann Arbor 96, Concordia, WI 59.

Final #2 (thanks to Rhodes Scholar), Concordia, NE 66, Concordia-Chicago 47.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 27, 2007, 08:11:54 AM
I think Aurora is playing WLC on Tuesday...I might be ambitious and make it down to Milwaukee that day.  Apparently this Larry Welton guy is supposed to be pretty good, getting 2nd team pre-season AA! lol.  ;)  Lakeland plays the same day in the cornfields, but they also play on Thursday, so I can see the fish play then.  It's Aurora's last appearence in Wisconsin, so I might take advantage of it!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2007, 01:04:40 PM
Enjoy it if you do make it. IMHO, I hope they win out. If they do, it'll be a great feather in the NAthCon's cap from a PR standpoint.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2007, 06:57:12 PM
MSOE 71, Finlandia 63.   Finlandia cut this one to 4 late, but then MSOE hit their free-throws to seal it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2007, 07:23:25 PM
Final:  Edgewood 96, WLC 90.  (Warriors had it down to 3 with less than a minute, but either couldn't get the defensive stop they needed when they had to have it, or if not that, when they fouled the Eagles, Edgewood hit their free-throws.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2007, 07:32:07 PM
Other 1/27 NAthCon Finals:

Concordia-WI 76, Concordia-Chicago 62. (at CIT Tournament)

Marian 87, Maranatha 53 (Marian had a 51-24 edge in rebounds and outshot the Crusaders all around-per box score on Saber website.)

Dominican 73, Lakeland 72  :o ??? (Muskies' Ehnert was whistled for a foul and the Stars' R Lettsom hit 2 free throws with no time on the clock in 2nd half--Muskie coach tried to "ice" Lettsom by calling a time-out prior to his second shot--it didn't work.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2007, 07:56:01 PM
1/30/07 Projections:

Aurora over WLC (barring an unforeseen development in the Benedictine game today--Warrior losing run continues.)

Benedictine over Rockford:

Lakeland over Concordia-Chicago:  (More so after today's Muskie loss).

Dominican over Maranatha:  (Stars have momentum.)

Edgewood over Marian:  (Eagles' inside muscle will be the difference--Marian could pull off the upset by hitting 3's like against WLC.)

Concordia-WI over MSOE:  Too close to call. A healthy Murphy for MSOE and this poster gives the nod to the Raiders.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2007, 04:50:16 PM
According to this site

Auroa 10-1
Edgewood 9-1
Dominican 7-4
Benedictine 7-4
Marian 6-4
Lakeland 6-5
WLC 5-5
Concordia (WI) 5-6
Concordia (IL) 2-9
Rockford 2-9
Maranatha 0-11
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 29, 2007, 06:35:41 PM
Belated 1/27 final:

Aurora 86, Benedictine 83.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 29, 2007, 09:39:02 PM
You do a lot of updates and scheduling stuff, do you actually go to any of these games?  Just curious!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 29, 2007, 09:48:06 PM
1 1/2 weeks ago I attended the Concordia-Chicago/Alverno women's game. Might make WLC's Winter Festival Games against Maranatha next month as well. Other than that, OS, I just pick one radio feed on nights when they're available and run with it, for the most part, with occasional checks on other in-conference games with available feeds.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
So, whatever happened to those crazy posters like The Way, Pannounce, Trey, Bust Ya'll, tommy DeVito, Big Uns and Fishguy, for example.  I sometimes enjoyed their constant trashtalking regarding The Rex, The Edgedome, the bible kids etc.  :'( :-[ :( lol.  ;D :D ;) :P ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 30, 2007, 10:21:52 AM
I miss them too. They must have all dropped out of college. There is no way any of them graduated. :)  It's just us old guys who have never moved on. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Tiger Woods on January 30, 2007, 11:40:23 AM
Or what about "ceaza" or "Larry Doby?"
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 03:07:10 PM
Looks like Larry Doby tried to re-register a couple weeks ago but he has yet to activate his account. Possibly he tried to create an account with a fake address and didn't get the activation e-mail? Or since he's using free e-mail, they may have filtered the e-mail out.

You get what you pay for with free e-mail.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2007, 03:09:49 PM
Bust Y'All's student e-mail address expired. Looks like he tried to register with Hotmail, but again ... free e-mail, you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2007, 03:48:56 PM
Too funny, Pat...but you didn't need to do any research on them, I don't miss them THAT much! lol.  :D ;D :P  Well, maybe...a bad board is better than a slow board, I guess.

Well, if anyone is still alive, I'm planning on heading down to WLC tonight to see the Great Aurora On the Front Page play.  It'd be fun to meet any of those clowns! lol.  ::) ;D :D ;)  As usual, I'll be decked out in my NY Rangers jacket and purple Pointer hat. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Way on January 30, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
The Way I See It,

Libero, my 4 year degree from Lakeland begs to differ that i dropped out. My post number is lacking as i find myself getting further and further away from teams in the NAC. I have only been to a handful of games and don't have the ability to listen to games online. I would love to stay more intuned, but work just doesn't allow it. I have been leaving messages though on games that i have attended this year.

I don't even get to that many Lakeland games anymore. And when i go, I find that they have been losing. So to spare us both the agony, I just have not been going. I will, however, be making the treck to Sadoff Gymnasium tonight to watch Marian and Edgewood.

I do miss my babbling counterparts on here though. It made the work day go a tad bit quicker when trying to outwit the likes of Bust'yall or some of the other WLC posters.

I will be sure to leave an update on what i see tonight. But now if you will excuse me, I am all out of Pledge and my diploma frame needs a good dusting.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2007, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: The Way on January 30, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
The Way I See It,

Libero, my 4 year degree from Lakeland begs to differ that i dropped out. My post number is lacking as i find myself getting further and further away from teams in the NAC. I have only been to a handful of games and don't have the ability to listen to games online. I would love to stay more intuned, but work just doesn't allow it. I have been leaving messages though on games that i have attended this year.

I don't even get to that many Lakeland games anymore. And when i go, I find that they have been losing. So to spare us both the agony, I just have not been going. I will, however, be making the treck to Sadoff Gymnasium tonight to watch Marian and Edgewood.

I do miss my babbling counterparts on here though. It made the work day go a tad bit quicker when trying to outwit the likes of Bust'yall or some of the other WLC posters.

I will be sure to leave an update on what i see tonight. But now if you will excuse me, I am all out of Pledge and my diploma frame needs a good dusting.

Barring an extremely unusual development, sir, you may see some history. Edgewood's Charlie Averkamp is just 1 point shy of 1,000 for his career, so unless he's held scoreless, you'll see him reach and surpass that plateau. If Marian's hitting from outside, their chances will be better. I'd expect DeMarco and Averkamp to come up big scoring wise as usual and get their fair share of rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 30, 2007, 04:54:54 PM
I'm still here, reading but not posting. And by the way, what's with this trashtalking nonsense. I have no idea what you're talking about.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2007, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: libero on January 30, 2007, 10:21:52 AM
I miss them too...

Quote from: Big_Uns on January 30, 2007, 04:54:54 PM
I'm still here...

Quote from: The Way on January 30, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
The Way I See It,

It's...it's...it's, like, 2004 all over again!  :'( :'( :'( :D ;) ;D...if you excuse me, I think I have something in my eye, and it's making it water! lol
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 30, 2007, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: The Way on January 30, 2007, 04:23:42 PM
The Way I See It,

Libero, my 4 year degree from Lakeland begs to differ that i dropped out. My post number is lacking as i find myself getting further and further away from teams in the NAC. I have only been to a handful of games and don't have the ability to listen to games online. I would love to stay more intuned, but work just doesn't allow it. I have been leaving messages though on games that i have attended this year.

I don't even get to that many Lakeland games anymore. And when i go, I find that they have been losing. So to spare us both the agony, I just have not been going. I will, however, be making the treck to Sadoff Gymnasium tonight to watch Marian and Edgewood.

I do miss my babbling counterparts on here though. It made the work day go a tad bit quicker when trying to outwit the likes of Bust'yall or some of the other WLC posters.

I will be sure to leave an update on what i see tonight. But now if you will excuse me, I am all out of Pledge and my diploma frame needs a good dusting.

Nice post.

And nice to have you back.

Do any of the former LMC trash-talkers ever call the Jim Rome show? It seems that some of them might have some "takes" worth "racking".
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 30, 2007, 05:55:04 PM
Interview with Coach Lancaster of Aurora posted off the front page.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2007, 10:18:57 PM
1/30 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Marian 60, Edgewood 57  :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? (Marian outrebounded Edgewood 41-27 and outshot Edgewood from 3-pt range, 33% to 20% per box score off Marian's site). (Averkamp gets his 1,000th career point in a losing cause, but the loss isn't that costly from an in-conference standpoint--see below).

Lakeland 84, Concordia-Chicago 69. (Muskies had 21 points off turnovers compared to CU-Chicago's 9).

WLC 87, Aurora 82   :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? :o ??? (WLC was able to get to the FT line more often than Aurora. WLC also had 19 pts off turnovers to Aurora's 12. Two Spartan starters fouled out. (Source is box score off WLC's website.) The Warriors are still alive in the conference race, but this poster wonders how much the home losses to Dominican and Benedictine are going to cost them down the road.

Dominican 89, Maranatha Baptist 52.

Benedictine 64, Rockford College 57. (2 OT's). (Regents hit only 1 FG the entire 2nd overtime period, per Rockford College box score).

MSOE 81, Concordia-WI 77. (OT).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2007, 11:22:13 PM
2/01/07 NAthCon Projections:

Concordia-Chicago over WLC  :o ??? ::) :o ??? ::) (Warriors are ripe to be upset themselves if they let the win over Aurora go to their heads. Hopefully, they'll remember how they barely beat these guys on the road earlier this season).

Benedictine over Concordia-WI:

Aurora over Maranatha:  (Sad thing:  The Crusaders have had a knack of catching teams immediately after those teams have been upset this season).

Dominican over Marian:  (Only because its' on the Stars' home floor). Too close to call otherwise.

Lakeland over Rockford:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 30, 2007, 11:55:13 PM
WLC upsets Aurora 87-82 (http://www.wlc.edu/uploadedFiles/athletics/m_basketball/2006-2007/0130wlau.htm)

Wow.  I wish I could say I was impressed with both teams and WLC dug in deep and came out with an impressive win against a solid conference foe...but, I'd be lying.

What a mess.  Now, before I go on my rant, remember this...this is the first time I've seen Aurora play, and the first time this year I've seen WLC play.  Not to be too bias, I'll try not to compare or reference Stevens Point or Oshkosh in my opinion of this game.  For all I know, this could've been the best game WLC has ever played or the worst game Aurora has ever played. 

This site and the Aurora site had the game scheduled for 7:30, while the WLC site had the game set for 7:00.  I got there about 10 after and the game had already started.  Apparently, Aurora missed the TPS Report memo and didn't show up until 7:30 as well.  ;D

Going in, I didn't think I was going to be impressed with WLC, considering I saw them last year against a horrible Eau Claire team...and they lost that one.  I think the first half, WLC basically played on adrenaline.  To paraphrase Swampgoon, "They didn't know where they were going, but they were getting there pretty damn quick."  They were all over the place, usually doubling the ball-handler on defense and launching shots left and right on offense.  They went up 33-22 and it looked all over for Aurora.  But, to their credit, they fought back were down just 40-39 at the break.  After the break, Aurora seemed to slow things down a little bit (or WLC ran out of gas) and they actually took a brief lead before going on a cold spell that they would never recover from.

WLC wanted this game a lot more and they showed it with emotion and hustle.  On the other hand, Aurora must have been reading too much D3hoops because it seemed like they didn't want to be there and WLC should just give them the win.  I wasn't impressed with Aurora at all.  They played literally no defense at times and you could tell coach Lancaster wasn't too happy about it.  There were several ocassions when he would yell, "Watch the back door" and guess what, back door cut = easy lay up.  The defenders rarely  had their hands up or in the face of the ball handlers, making easy passing lanes.  They were slow on help defense, lacking team defense and just overall forgot to play defense most of the time.  There were a couple of times when Aurora turned the ball over and some of the players were walking back on defense with their heads down not even looking at the ball as it flew past them!  Seriously.  Not very disciplined at all, IMO.

I think Aurora would get eaten alive by any team with a disciplined offense like Lawrence.  Any opponent with a big guy in the middle, Aurora would also have problems.  Aurora is not very big with Mike Leonard  (6'6" but thin) and Larry Welton (about the same size) their only "inside" players.  They are very guard oriented and I'm surprised WLC didn't try to pound it inside more with the likes of Nate Sorum (6'7) or Brian Hagel (6'8"), both with more meat than Leonard or Welton.  I know their only other loss was to Edgewood and they have a nice post presence in Averkamp, and a solid forward in De Marco.  Looking at that boxscore, those two ate them up, Averkamp and De Marco combining for 44 of Edgewood's 68 points.  Averkamp also had 19 rebounds!  To compare, nearly any team in the WIAC, even the mid-level ones like Stout (Jacob Nonemacher & Heisler), Platteville (Gossens & when Skemp was healthy) and even La Crosse (Werner is probably WIAC POTY) would just destroy Aurora inside. 

I think Aurora would be better suited against a more up tempo team like IWU, Carthage or Carroll, rather than trying to defend a team like Lawrence or Platteville.  But, with that said, Carthage has a stud in Schlemm...at least from what I saw on Saturday.  IWU does have Freeman, but I don't think he's a "back to the basket" post presence.  He plays more like Leonard or Welton, facing the basket, using their quickness etc, IMO. 

I wasn't impressed with Aurora's guards either.  They had trouble facing in-your-face pressure, shown by their 16 first half TOs (20 total, so they improved drastically) and Darrick Leonard tried to hard to do it all...usually running with his head down and trying to make something out of nothing.  Even without looking at the boxscore, Mike Leonard (#31) was by far the best player Aurora had tonight.  IMO, Larry Welton was nonexistent. 

Apparently trying to keep my eye on Welton and watching Mike Leonard do well underneath, I missed the fact that guard Chad Trudo had a quiet 16 points, 4 asts and only 1 TO.  5-7 FGs including 4-5 from 3.  I guess when Lambert is coughing the ball up four times (seemed like more) and Leonard and Leonard launching 26 shots combined, I missed those 7 Lambert took!  My apologies.

Anyway....that's neither here or there.  Hardly an impressive showing by Aurora.  Since nearly every WIAC team has a good to great post presence and most actually play some sort of defense, I don't think Aurora would have any shot in the WIAC.  Carthage (with Schlemm and quick guards) and IWU (with Freeman in the post) would beat Aurora, from what I saw Saturday and Lawrence (because of their style) and Carroll (with Drury and some good inside players) would also take care of Aurora.  I think Aurora would have a shot at Grinnell, simply because of the up and down pace they play, though their ball-handling skills would come into question against Grinnell's pressure defense. 

Well, this was WAY TOO LONG and I apologize.  I was probably just rambling.  Sorry.

On a side note, the famous "6th Man" was very entertaining and loud the entire game.  They had some funny moments.  There were about 50-75 of them and stood the whole game.  The boxscore said 232, but I swear, they were the only ones there.  I don't even remember the "general public" clapping or cheering, even after WLC upset the #16 team in the nation!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 31, 2007, 02:38:00 AM
Quote from: Old School on January 30, 2007, 11:55:13 PMWhat a mess.  Now, before I go on my rant, remember this...this is the first time I've seen Aurora play, and the first time this year I've seen WLC play.  Not to be too bias, I'll try not to compare or reference Stevens Point or Oshkosh in my opinion of this game.  For all I know, this could've been the best game WLC has ever played or the worst game Aurora has ever played.

Problem is, OS, you've dragged just about every team you've seen this season besides UWSP and UWO into your post for purposes of comparison. You probably would've been better off sticking with the Pointers and the Titans as points of reference, since you're much more familiar with those teams (via repeated viewings) than you are with, say, Carthage or Illinois Wesleyan or Edgewood.

Quote from: Old School on January 30, 2007, 11:55:13 PMI think Aurora would get eaten alive by any team with a disciplined offense like Lawrence.  Any opponent with a big guy in the middle, Aurora would also have problems.  Aurora is not very big with Mike Leonard  (6'6" but thin) and Larry Welton (about the same size) their only "inside" players.  They are very guard oriented and I'm surprised WLC didn't try to pound it inside more with the likes of Nate Sorum (6'7) or Brian Hagel (6'8"), both with more meat than Leonard or Welton.  I know their only other loss was to Edgewood and they have a nice post presence in Averkamp, and a solid forward in De Marco.  Looking at that boxscore, those two ate them up, Averkamp and De Marco combining for 44 of Edgewood's 68 points.  Averkamp also had 19 rebounds!  To compare, nearly any team in the WIAC, even the mid-level ones like Stout (Jacob Nonemacher & Heisler), Platteville (Gossens & when Skemp was healthy) and even La Crosse (Werner is probably WIAC POTY) would just destroy Aurora inside.

Then please explain why Aurora demolished North Central by 16 points in NCC's gym. North Central's team strength by far lies in its front line -- 6'6, 225 senior Anthony Simmons (12.1 ppg, 5.9 rpg), 6'7, 220 senior Adam Krumtinger (7.8 ppg, 6.1 rpg), and 6'5, 200 senior Dan Walton (18.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg) -- and that was even more true back in November when the Spartans put the wood to NCC than it is now.

Quote from: Old School on January 30, 2007, 11:55:13 PMIWU does have Freeman, but I don't think he's a "back to the basket" post presence.  He plays more like Leonard or Welton, facing the basket, using their quickness etc, IMO. 

Boy, are you completely off with that one! Zach Freeman is an outstanding post-up player. He can back his man in with the best of 'em in D3.

I'm not trying to bust y'all :D, OS, but I get the distinct feeling that you're putting too much weight on what appears to be an anomalously bad night for the Spartans. I doubt that Aurora is a national championship contender, but I also doubt that the Spartans got to 17-1 coming into tonight with smoke and mirrors. Some nights a team just doesn't bring it -- and when it's a night that they're facing a really keyed-up opponent in that opponent's gym it can turn into an upset, especially if it's a conference tilt. The trick is to recognize those types of games as outliers when the overall record seems to indicate that ... and in Aurora's case, I'd definitely say that tonight's debacle in Brewtown was an outlier.

As you said, for all you know this could've been Aurora's worst game of the season. Based upon the Spartans' record to date, that definitely appears to be the case. It just looks as though you didn't heed your own advice about limited-evidence bias in the rest of your post.

Quote from: The Way on January 30, 2007, 04:23:42 PMIt made the work day go a tad bit quicker when trying to outwit the likes of Bust'yall

Yeah, that was usually a mentally intense five seconds for me as well. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 31, 2007, 06:35:30 AM
Not a problem Gregory,

You are always welcome to drag me down! lol.  Reminding everyone that this was the first time I've seen Aurora and noted that this might have been the worst time they've played and all that.  I used those as qualifiers and based the post on that viewing alone. 

I've seen Platteville twice, off the top of my head.  And I really didn't want to use Point or Oshkosh as a reference because the casual viewer would counter, "of course Point and Oshkosh are better" argument!  And yeah, I can't explain Aurora destroying NCC!  I know ZACH is a great inside presence, but from seeing him Saturday AND last year, he seemed to get the ball with his back to the basket, but basically turn around and face it right away...using his quickness, rather than backing into the post.  Maybe the matchups, like Titan Q said. 

So, get off my back! lol.  ;D :D ;) :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on January 31, 2007, 12:52:49 PM
Old School,

I'd say your assessment of Aurora is pretty accurate. I'm surprised more teams don't try to pound it inside against them. Sure, they'd pick up their fair share of blocks due to Leonard and Welton's leaping ability, but Leonard fouled out both time Lakeland played them after the Muskies continuously went to Rogers in the post. Leonard only played 19 minutes last week due to foul trouble and Welton reached four fouls in that game.

If you're smart about approaching that team, you can turn their aggressiveness against them, no doubt.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 31, 2007, 02:55:40 PM
The Dominican/Maranatha game was not notable except for one thing. Early in the first half, freshman Mike Knepp took his man to the hole off the dribble along the right baseline and executed one the nastiest dunks I have ever seen in D3 basketball. I think he dunked over at least three Stars, including the tallest guy on the floor. It would make a great youtube video if anyone has it on tape.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 31, 2007, 03:53:38 PM
Who is most likely to win the Northern Athletics Conference POY award?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 31, 2007, 04:22:23 PM
I'm guessing Welton.  He won it last year in the NIIC, I think.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on February 01, 2007, 10:49:36 AM
I am not qualified to comment on this topic since I haven't seen everyone play, but Garcia sure impressed me on Tuesday. I have not seen Welton, can anyone compare the two?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: lmcfan33 on February 01, 2007, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: libero on February 01, 2007, 10:49:36 AM
I am not qualified to comment on this topic since I haven't seen everyone play, but Garcia sure impressed me on Tuesday.

Garcia??? He's not even the POY for Dominican, much less the NAC...

Chris DeMarco has the best case for POY right now in my opinion--the numbers speak for themselves. He's leading the NAC in scoring (21.8 ppg on 60% fg shooting), 3rd in rebounding (7.8 rpg), way ahead of everyone in O-reb (4.17/game). Has led his team to first place at this point and had a solid performance against Aurora, with 21 pts, 7 rebs. He showed up his counterpart, Welton, in that game. (on a side note, Edgewood @ Aurora next wednesday, wish I could be there!)

So if your case for Welton is that he won NIIC POY last year, I think DeMarco has him beat...this is a discussion of the 06-07 player of the year right?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 01, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
The reason Garcia is on the list is because he got a NathCon player of the week award and was nominated on a second occasion. Haiduc (who justifiably gets more print as a more consistent scoring threat) was nominated once but hasn't won it yet. Go figure.  :-\

I also chose Marcus Zondag over Brian Hagel because Zondag is in a situation where he can remain consistent (known for his high degree of energy, not afraid to take the ball to the hole and rebound. On a game by game basis, Zondag, to this point, has been more likely to touch the ball more often on offense than Hagel. Just an observation.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on February 01, 2007, 10:00:13 PM
Lakeland appears to have the game in hand over Rockford, Rogers lead Lakeland with 23 points. Not bad for a kid who had surgery on Wednesday morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 01, 2007, 10:21:47 PM
Wow!  Really surprised that Aurora lost.  I guess every team has a bad night sooner or later.  And this from a team that beat Millikin, North Central and Loras by 25 points earlier in December.  Loras is undefeated at 10 and 0 in the Iowa Conference!  I still think the Spartans will advance a few rounds in the NCAA D3 Tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NICNAC on February 01, 2007, 10:29:58 PM
Dominican beat Marian in overtime

Garcia 23
Lettsome 17
Haiduc 15
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 01, 2007, 11:34:54 PM
Final:  WLC 98, Concordia-Chicago 74. Attended this one live, and the Warriors had a lead of 10 points or so at the half. The Cougars cut it to 8 on two different occasions early in the second half but got no closer. Wonder how much they miss the starter who is out for the year with a torn ACL.

As for the particulars:  M Zondag and Lindberg were able to get to the line a lot early. This would have been a much closer game had it not been for Concordia-Chicago's turnovers. (A check of WLC's box score indicated the Warriors got 40 points off Cougar turnovers.) Chalk up another win for WLC on out-muscle and out-hustle, for the most part.

With his team up by 25 points and approximately 8:30 left, Coach Noon began emptying his bench. BTW, M Zondag had a dunk midway thru the second half that had WLC's "6th Man" section going nuts.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 01, 2007, 11:38:40 PM
Benedictine and Aurora were the other 2 winners on the evening--

the IL Eagles 62, Concordia, WI 60.

Aurora 100, Maranatha 49. (You knew something like that was coming regardless.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 01, 2007, 11:48:36 PM
2/03/07 Projections:

Edgewood over Dominican (only because it's a home game for the WI Eagle squad).

Lakeland over Concordia-WI (Falcons can win this if they're hitting on all cylinders and Muskies come out flat).

Concordia-Chicago over Maranatha (only because it's a Cougar home game).

Aurora over Marian (Spartans figure to keep making a statement.)

WLC over Rockford (A win here would put the Warriors at 8-6 in-conference).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2007, 08:36:20 AM
It's Todd Adrian and the Edgewood players' turn to get the props at www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=560531.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2007, 08:51:53 AM
Concordia-Chicago, Rockford and Maranatha have already been eliminated from the NAthCon playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 02, 2007, 07:35:44 PM
saw the article, nice.

I was planning on hitting the Lakeland game, but fell asleep.  Long Wednesday night driving to Point and back...oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on February 03, 2007, 10:07:19 AM
Okay, I think the Saders are going to get their NAC win this weekend. The relief from not having to play AU again this season will propel them to victory. Furthermore, both CUC and MBBC have been eliminated from the playoff picture. This will affect CUC more than MBBC. No pressure for Maranatha, no motivation for CUC.

I hope. . . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2007, 07:38:52 PM
Final:  Edgewood 77, Dominican 76, OT. (Averkamp reportedly got a triple-double-per Edgewood site. Garcia got most of his points in the 2nd half.;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2007, 07:41:23 PM
Other 2/3/07 Men's finals:

Lakeland 95, Concordia, WI 92  (A Falcon player missed a 3-pointer at the buzzer).

WLC 83, Rockford College 53. (Warriors hit 12 3-pointers, hit almost twice as many free-throws as the Regents, and outshot Rockford from the floor--Rockford box score).

Aurora 81, Marian 53. (Spartans nailed 9 3-pointers, outshot the Sabers from the floor. Sabers had an off day shooting their 3's--Marian box score).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2007, 08:01:32 PM
2/06-07/Projections:

2/06:  Maranatha over Northland Baptist

2/07:  Lakeland over Benedictine (Muskie home game).

           Aurora over Edgewood (another statement game for the Spartans).

           Concordia-WI over WLC (Warriors have a penchant for having rough games in Mequon).

           MSOE over Dominican (only because it's on the Raiders' home floor).

           
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2007, 09:55:11 PM
Final:  Concordia-Chicago 73, Maranatha 61. (The Crusaders gave up two consecutive 3-point baskets late in the first half-take those away, and there's a good chance they'd have stayed even going into the locker room.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2007, 10:20:51 PM
Remaining schedule for each contending team:

Aurora:  vs. Edgewood, at Dominican, vs. Concordia-Chicago, at Rockford.

Edgewood:  at Aurora, at Concordia-Chicago, at Rockford, vs. Concordia-WI, vs. Benedictine.

Dominican:    vs. Aurora, at Concordia-Chicago, vs. Rockford, at Concordia-WI.

Benedictine:    at Lakeland, vs. WLC, at Maranatha, vs. Marian, at Edgewood.

Lakeland:    vs. Benedictine, at WLC, vs. Maranatha, vs. Marian.

WLC:    at Concordia-WI, at Benedictine, vs. Lakeland, vs. Maranatha

Marian:    at Concordia-Chicago, vs. Rockford, vs. Concordia-WI, at Lakeland.

Concordia-WI:   vs. WLC, at Maranatha, at Marian, at Edgewood, vs. Dominican.


On paper, IMHO, Edgewood and Marian are the teams that would appear to have the easiest (loosest sense of the word) schedule. Concordia-WI per chance could hang in until their road game with Edgewood, but, barring the unforeseen, the Falcons' road is quite difficult. WLC can help its' cause big time by winning its' next 2 games on the road. Benedictine's got 2 tough road games yet. On first thought, I'd expect Lakeland, Marian and/or Dominican to move up some before this regular season race ends. Whether any of those teams challenges for second depends on how well Edgewood does in its' next 3 games. I don't expect Aurora to slip much.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on February 04, 2007, 12:34:43 PM
great work, your truly doing a great job keeping us all informed
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 04, 2007, 02:49:58 PM
Quote from: wizbegs1304 on February 04, 2007, 12:34:43 PM
great work, your truly doing a great job keeping us all informed

Ditto!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: titansrus on February 05, 2007, 04:13:01 AM
Hey WLCAlum, quick question for you: I'm not sure how many WLC games you've attended this season, but just wondering what your impressions have been of Kyle Plath-the transfer from Lake Forest?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 05, 2007, 07:14:43 AM
Just last week I saw Kyle Plath in the Warriors' home game vs. Concordia-Chicago. He's a perfect fit in Coach Noon's system-Coach Noon likes to go up to 10 players deep on his bench, and Plath has shown he can hit the 3 and also provide some quickness at guard. (Scored 10 points vs. ranked Occidental, in a game WLC lost big). Barring an unforeseen development, he might see more playing time down the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 05, 2007, 09:37:01 PM
Noticed Aurora dropped from #16 to #21 after the road loss to WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on February 06, 2007, 04:10:28 PM
Will the au team go back up 5 spots if they beat edgwood on wendsday. How is it so hard for this team to get real ranking after having a good year .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 06, 2007, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 06, 2007, 04:10:28 PM
Will the au team go back up 5 spots if they beat edgwood on wendsday. How is it so hard for this team to get real ranking after having a good year .

No, they won't....unless everyone else ahead of them loses.  The NIIC/LMC/NathCon is hardly a strong conference, so that hurts their agrument.  Losing at WLC makes their case even worse.  Aside from their weak conference schedule, have they beaten anyone outside of the NathCon?  They did have a nice win against North Central at the beginning of the year, but the Cardinals have dropped off considerably since then.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 06, 2007, 04:57:35 PM
WLCALUM83,

Just wanted to say I appreciate your input on this board.  I wish I could say more, but I'm a WIACer and also spend time in the MWC board, among others.  Sorry I can't have more input as I don't follow the NathCon much. 

You must get lonely in here!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 06, 2007, 06:17:58 PM
Thanks.

(BTW, if it weren't for several NAthCon schools providing broadcast feeds and prompt posting of finals on perspective websites, this poster wouldn't be able to update on here as much as he does. Thanks to all of you.)

Like one of the sargents on "Dragnet" always said, (when it comes to reporting), I mostly go by "just the facts."
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 06, 2007, 11:23:21 PM
Non-conference final:  Northland Baptist 88, Maranatha 76.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 07, 2007, 04:26:17 AM
Yeah, I second what OS said, WLCALUM83. You're doing a great job of keeping this room up-to-date and informed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 07, 2007, 04:28:57 PM
The NCAA Division III men's and women's basketball committees released their first regional rankings of the 2006-07 season Wednesday afternoon. The first record listed is the overall record, followed by record in regional games, through Sunday, Feb. 4.

The number of teams ranked in the men's and women's poll is relative to the number of teams in each region. We're still waiting on the women's poll to be released.

Men's Basketball
Atlantic
1 Ramapo 16-5 15-3
2 Stevens 17-4 17-4
3 Manhattanville 16-5 15-5
4 Richard Stockton 15-7 12-5
5 New Jersey City 14-7 13-6

East Region
1 St. Lawrence 18-3 17-3
2 Brockport State 16-4 15-4
3 Utica 17-3 16-3
4 New York U. 16-4 14-4
5 Rochester 15-5 15-4

Great Lakes Region
1 Lake Erie 20-1 16-0
2 Wooster 18-3 13-2
3 Wittenberg 18-3 13-3
4 Hope 17-2 10-2
5 John Carroll 14-7 13-5
6 Ohio Northern 16-5 11-5

Middle Atlantic Region
1 Johns Hopkins 19-2 18-1
2 Catholic 16-4 15-4
3 Hood 16-5 15-4
4 Messiah 15-5 12-3
5 Alvernia 16-4 15-2
6 Scranton 16-5 14-5
7 Lincoln 13-7 9-3
8 King's 14-7 13-6

Midwest Region
1 Augustana 17-4 17-3
2 Washington U. 16-4 14-3
3 Chicago 16-4 15-4
4 Aurora 19-2 18-2
5 Wheaton (Ill.) 14-6 10-5
6 Elmhurst 16-4 12-4
7 Carthage 14-6 11-5
8 Bluffton 16-5 11-5

Northeast Region
1 Amherst 23-0 22-0
2 WPI 17-2 15-2
3 Salem State 17-2 17-2
4 Rhode Island 17-3 17-3
5 Trinity (Conn.) 18-3 14-3
6 Bates 17-4 16-4
7 Keene State 17-4 14-4
8 Brandeis 14-6 14-6
9 Babson 13-8 12-8
10 Tufts 13-8 13-8

South Region
1 Mississippi College 18-2 16-1
2 Virginia Wesleyan 19-3 18-3
3 Guilford 16-3 15-3
4 Maryville (Tenn.) 15-5 15-3
5 DePauw 17-4 14-3
6 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-3 17-3
7 Averett 14-6 12-4
8 Centre 16-4 10-4

West Region
1 UW-Stevens Point 18-2 17-1
2 St. Thomas 18-2 18-2
3 St. John's 16-5 16-2
4 Whitworth 18-2 15-2
5 Occidental 14-4 9-2
6 UW-Oshkosh 18-4 15-4
7 Loras 15-5 13-3
8 Puget Sound 16-4 13-3
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 07, 2007, 09:54:42 PM
2/07/07 NAthCon Finals:

Marian 74, Concordia-Chicago 64. (Caught the last 4 minutes of this one. Cougars had it down to 2, but Justin Bestor hit a 3 and two free throws to begin a Marian run that put the game out of reach.)

WLC 100, Concordia-WI 75. (The "Mequon hex" is broken--temporarily).

Lakeland 66, Benedictine 65. (The IL Eagles outrebounded Lakeland, but the Muskies were hitting their 3's again.)

Barring a collapse of astronomical proportions-Aurora beat Edgewood big at home. (Spartans also were putting on a 3-point shooting clinic.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 07, 2007, 10:09:34 PM
2/10/07 NAthCon Projections:

Aurora over Dominican:

Concordia-WI over Maranatha: (Another case of the Crusaders having to face a team immediately after that team has been "smoked.")

Edgewood over Concordia-Chicago: (It might come down to outside shooting if the Cougars can slow down DeMarco and Averkamp enough.)

Marian over Rockford. (Sabers have more weapons on offense, Regents will have difficulty slowing them down.)

WLC over Benedictine:  (Putting my heart above my head on this one. The Warriors should have had the earlier game at home. Too close to call otherwise.)

Lakeland over MSOE:  (Muskies are at home.)

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NICNAC on February 08, 2007, 09:33:30 AM
Dominican 68
MSOE 61

in overtime (thats three straight OT games for Dominican)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2007, 04:14:22 PM
So much the better for Dominican. The Stars will benefit all the more should they crack the top 6. (If they keep winning and Marian loses at least 2 more games, Dominican's in.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NICNAC on February 09, 2007, 03:17:14 PM
Dominican has a big game this coming Saturday that if they can win they could run the table for the rest of the regular season with a head of steam entering the playoffs. After Aurora they play 3 of the bottom four teams in the conference, all which they handled pretty easily. They could end up in third with some help from Benedictine and Lakeland. Even if they lose Saturday and win the rest of their games they'll end the season 12 and 6 which would qualify for at least sixth place tie barring other win and loss totals of the middle of the group. If they land the third spot, which is the best spot besides the #1 spot, they would face the 6th place team and avoid the 1st place team. But the best bet for them winning that spot is by beating Aurora on Saturday, which will be a huge task. I wish the best of luck to all the teams but my top six goes like this:

Aurora
Edgewood
Dominican
Lakeland
Benedictine
Wisconsin Lutheran

this list can be mixed up in a lot of ways
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 09, 2007, 03:31:17 PM
welcome NICNAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NICNAC on February 09, 2007, 09:26:11 PM
Howdy!  Thanks for the welcome ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2007, 12:59:20 PM
Props to Benedictine's Jacob Carwell!

www.northernathleticsconf.com
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2007, 07:03:20 PM
Lakeland 90, MSOE 75  2 seconds left in 2nd half:

Marian 86, Rockford College 61--final: (Sabers hit 8 3-pointers and out-shot and out-rebounded the Regents for the game-per Marian box score.)

WLC 84, Benedictine 62--final. (Benedictine-28 turnovers- WLC's Hagel hit 5 three-pointers on the day--source is WLC's box score.)

Aurora 83, Dominican 80--final in OT. (Spartans hit their FT's late in OT to seal this one-Dominican box score.)

Edgewood 81, Concordia-Chicago 68. (DeMarco had another big game, he and Fahey got to the line a lot--Edgewood box score.)

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2007, 07:15:10 PM
Final:  Concordia-WI 83, Maranatha 70. (Falcons pulled away in last 15 minutes).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2007, 07:44:24 PM
2-13-07 Projections:

Benedictine over Maranatha:

Marian over Concordia-WI: (Sabers' offense more consistent).

Dominican over Concordia-Chicago:

Edgewood over Rockford:

Lakeland over WLC:  (Lakeland lost at WLC last season. I don't see the Muskies doing that this time around).

   (BTW, One more Marian win and/or one more Concordia-WI loss, and the Falcons are eliminated from the NAthCon post-season tournament). (Should things break that way, it'd be down to 7 teams vying for 6 spots.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 04:58:00 AM
I was at Saturday's Aurora @ Dominican overtime contest. Great game, very tight all the way. Tied at the end of the half, tied at the end of regulation -- how much closer could a game get?

Aurora won via attrition. Dominican lost its three best weapons, Erin McMillan, Mike Haiduc, and Jose Garcia, to fouls before the first couple of minutes of overtime were in the books. After that, it seemed certain that the Spartans would manage to pull it out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on February 12, 2007, 06:22:16 AM
Question to anyone,
                                Why didn't Edgewood or Dominican play Lakeland twice this year ? If you look at the standings in conference that could be a big factor this year where they seed out for conference champions. I didn't really sit down and look at the entire schedule, but the top 8 teams should have played each other twice. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 06:27:58 AM
The folks who run the NAthC decided not to institute a full double round-robin for the conference season. I never understand why some leagues do this. F'rinstance, Aurora and Benedictine, two long-time archrivals, will only play each other once this season.

A double round-robin with no missing games is really the only way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 12, 2007, 06:31:19 AM
WLC got to play Marian and Edgewood only once, everyone else twice, too. After MSOE becomes a member things may be altered again (maybe 2 separate divisions??). :-\ :-X
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 06:33:11 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 12, 2007, 06:31:19 AM
WLC got to play Marian and Edgewood only once, everyone else twice, too. After MSOE becomes a member things will be altered again (maybe 2 separate divisions??). :-\ :-X

The league will, in fact, move to a North Division and a South Division next season, with the Milwaukee schools rotating between the two divisions on an annual basis so that one of them doesn't get stuck with the lion's share of travel every year.

This is all contingent upon Rockford staying open, though. No word on what will happen if that school closes its doors at the end of the school year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2007, 06:36:25 AM
What, Rockford might go belly up? Details, please.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 07:08:55 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2007, 06:36:25 AM
What, Rockford might go belly up? Details, please.

Rockford College has been hovering on the brink of insolvency for years. It's finally gotten to the point where, like Rich Uncle Pennybags on the "Pay Poor Tax of $15" Chance card in Monopoly, the school has pulled its pockets inside out and found nothing therein but lint.

I've heard from a couple of higher-ed administators that there's a chance that Northern Illinois University might buy out the school and operate Rockford College as an honors-level branch campus of NIU.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 07:08:55 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2007, 06:36:25 AM
What, Rockford might go belly up? Details, please.

Rockford College has been hovering on the brink of insolvency for years. It's finally gotten to the point where, like Rich Uncle Pennybags on the "Pay Poor Tax of $15" Chance card in Monopoly, the school has pulled its pockets inside out and found nothing therein but lint.

I've heard from a couple of higher-ed administators that there's a chance that Northern Illinois University might buy out the school and operate Rockford College as an honors-level branch campus of NIU.

It's always sad when a college closes. I understand that Rockford is one of only 11 venues in Illinois with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 07:17:03 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 07:08:55 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 12, 2007, 06:36:25 AM
What, Rockford might go belly up? Details, please.

Rockford College has been hovering on the brink of insolvency for years. It's finally gotten to the point where, like Rich Uncle Pennybags on the "Pay Poor Tax of $15" Chance card in Monopoly, the school has pulled its pockets inside out and found nothing therein but lint.

I've heard from a couple of higher-ed administators that there's a chance that Northern Illinois University might buy out the school and operate Rockford College as an honors-level branch campus of NIU.

It's always sad when a college closes. I understand that Rockford is one of only 11 venues in Illinois with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.

It's not dead yet, but the prognosis is not good.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 12, 2007, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 04:58:00 AM
I was at Saturday's Aurora @ Dominican overtime contest. Great game, very tight all the way. Tied at the end of the half, tied at the end of regulation -- how much closer could a game get?

Aurora won via attrition. Dominican lost its three best weapons, Erin McMillan, Mike Haiduc, and Jose Garcia, to fouls before the first couple of minutes of overtime were in the books. After that, it seemed certain that the Spartans would manage to pull it out.

So Greg, what was your opinion of AU?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 12, 2007, 08:31:30 PM
As a former player at RC, I have followed the team after my playing years.  The school is struggling, no doubt.  The school is keeping a close watch on its budget, but to my understanding it is not closing its doors. 

The school had a lot of staff and administrators jump ship in fear that the school may close the doors, but there is no signs of that happening for the 07-08 year.  Yet, I am not in budget meetings though, so..........
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 12, 2007, 09:28:34 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 12, 2007, 09:46:56 AM
So Greg, what was your opinion of AU?

I'm sure it's a lot better than mine when I saw WLC upset them in Milwaukee!  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 12, 2007, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 04:58:00 AM
I was at Saturday's Aurora @ Dominican overtime contest. Great game, very tight all the way. Tied at the end of the half, tied at the end of regulation -- how much closer could a game get?

Aurora won via attrition. Dominican lost its three best weapons, Erin McMillan, Mike Haiduc, and Jose Garcia, to fouls before the first couple of minutes of overtime were in the books. After that, it seemed certain that the Spartans would manage to pull it out.

So Greg, what was your opinion of AU?

They're more versatile than they've been the past couple of years, when you were likely to shut them down if you could put a dent into Larry Welton's production. Darrick Leonard runs the team very effectively as both a scorer and distributor; Mike Leonard provides a much-needed, if somewhat erratic, inside complement to Welton; and the Spartans have three bombers in Dusty Magee, Chad Trudo, and Doug Lambert who all hit the trey at a 40% pace or better. They're vulnerable against a team with a big and mobile scoring center, as Dominican's Mike Haiduc demonstrated, and I think that the Spartans are less effective if you face-guard them and force them to beat you off of the dribble. Also, while Welton has improved his versatility by becoming a three-point threat this year, that's not always a good thing. He's sometimes wasted by being used out on the perimeter, because he can be an unstoppable force inside.

Of the teams I've seen this season, I'd say that the Spartans are a little below Augustana, Elmhurst, UWO, and Wash U, and at about the same level as Wheaton, Chicago, NYU, and Carthage. They're definitely in the tourney as a Pool B invite this year, and I think that they can win a game in the dance, maybe even two. I'll be very surprised if they make it any farther than the Sweet Sixteen, though, and I wouldn't even bet on them making it that far.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 13, 2007, 09:17:01 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 10:49:40 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 12, 2007, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2007, 04:58:00 AM
I was at Saturday's Aurora @ Dominican overtime contest. Great game, very tight all the way. Tied at the end of the half, tied at the end of regulation -- how much closer could a game get?

Aurora won via attrition. Dominican lost its three best weapons, Erin McMillan, Mike Haiduc, and Jose Garcia, to fouls before the first couple of minutes of overtime were in the books. After that, it seemed certain that the Spartans would manage to pull it out.

So Greg, what was your opinion of AU?

They're more versatile than they've been the past couple of years, when you were likely to shut them down if you could put a dent into Larry Welton's production. Darrick Leonard runs the team very effectively as both a scorer and distributor; Mike Leonard provides a much-needed, if somewhat erratic, inside complement to Welton; and the Spartans have three bombers in Dusty Magee, Chad Trudo, and Doug Lambert who all hit the trey at a 40% pace or better. They're vulnerable against a team with a big and mobile scoring center, as Dominican's Mike Haiduc demonstrated, and I think that the Spartans are less effective if you face-guard them and force them to beat you off of the dribble. Also, while Welton has improved his versatility by becoming a three-point threat this year, that's not always a good thing. He's sometimes wasted by being used out on the perimeter, because he can be an unstoppable force inside.

Of the teams I've seen this season, I'd say that the Spartans are a little below Augustana, Elmhurst, UWO, and Wash U, and at about the same level as Wheaton, Chicago, NYU, and Carthage. They're definitely in the tourney as a Pool B invite this year, and I think that they can win a game in the dance, maybe even two. I'll be very surprised if they make it any farther than the Sweet Sixteen, though, and I wouldn't even bet on them making it that far.

Thanks Greg. I think you are spot on with your observation..I think their bench gives them a bit of a luxury as well, with Magee and Liggett providing a spark against other teams second string.
Dominican killed them with the high low all day..I'm not sure if Dominican has shooters, but it seemed like AU was paying close attention to them..help side was an issue I think.
As for the NCAA's, I think its a match up issue..if AU hosts, and gets a second tier CCIW school (assuming more than 1 CCIW team gets in) or a team without a dominant big man, they can make a run). If they run into a strong big man, it comes down to the 2's vs the 3's....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on February 13, 2007, 09:01:08 PM
WLCALUM,
any Lakeland vs WLC scores? I went to the WLC site no game information on web
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2007, 09:53:36 PM
2/13/07 NAthCon Finals:

Concordia-WI 67, Marian 59. (That result does WLC a temporary favor.) (Marian had a cold-shooting spell midway thru the 2nd half, made a brief run, but the Falcons hit their FT's late to salt this one away.)

WLC 87, Lakeland 81. (Way to come through at home, Warriors!!! :) ;) :D
(4 Warriors in double figures scoring wise-offsetting Regal's 26 and Rogers' 33). WLC shot 62.5% in the 2nd half--per post-game account off Warrior radio feed.

Benedictine 74, Maranatha 64. (IL Eagles' hot 2nd-half shooting overcame the Crusaders--Maranatha press release).

Dominican 83, Concordia-Chicago 70. (Stars had 4 players in double figures, outshot Cougars from the field overall on the game, had fewer turnovers, per box score off Cougar web-site.)


(Benedictine and Dominican wins eliminate Concordia-WI from NAthCon post-season tournament).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2007, 10:42:53 PM
2-15 NAthCon Projections:

Aurora over Concordia-Chicago.

Edgewood over Concordia-WI

Lakeland over Maranatha:  (Crusaders' impeccably bad timing strikes again.)

Benedictine over Marian: (Sabers can win this if they're hitting their 3's.)

Dominican over Rockford:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2007, 10:50:09 PM
There may be a slight chance that Lakeland, WLC, Benedictine, Dominican and Marian all finish with 11-7 in NAthCon records.

Wonder how much fun Commissioner Larsen and Co. would have with that scenario??  :o ??? ::) :o ??? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on February 13, 2007, 10:53:31 PM
WLC what does it look like now for playoff imp. before these last two games and what could happen after?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 13, 2007, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 13, 2007, 09:17:01 AMThanks Greg. I think you are spot on with your observation..I think their bench gives them a bit of a luxury as well, with Magee and Liggett providing a spark against other teams second string.
Dominican killed them with the high low all day..I'm not sure if Dominican has shooters, but it seemed like AU was paying close attention to them..help side was an issue I think.
As for the NCAA's, I think its a match up issue..if AU hosts, and gets a second tier CCIW school (assuming more than 1 CCIW team gets in) or a team without a dominant big man, they can make a run). If they run into a strong big man, it comes down to the 2's vs the 3's....

Yeah, Dominican's high-low is a thing of beauty, isn't it? Erin McMillan is particularly well-suited to play the high post, and like everyone else on the team he's always looking to feed Haiduc. Jose Garcia is supposed to be a big-time shooter (.441 from downtown for the year), but I didn't see much evidence of that on Saturday. The only Star who seemed like an effortless shooter was Troy Tonsil, and he only got a cameo off of the bench.

My suspicion is that the CCIW will only get in two teams this year, since I think that either Augie or Elmhurst is going to win the conference tourney, and those two teams will most likely be Pool C shoo-ins as well. Aurora would give either one a good game, but I'd bet against the Spartans if they had to play either CCIW team. I'd take Wash U over the Spartans as well -- Bears center Troy Ruths is Mike Haiduc, only better.

The ideal first-round matchup for Aurora would be Chicago, a team that is a bit weak underneath the basket. Like Aurora, even Chicago's best big man (forward Matt Hainje) loves to go outside and stroke the trey. Twenty-footers would be flying left and right if the Spartans and Maroons tangled in the big dance!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2007, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: wizbegs1304 on February 13, 2007, 10:53:31 PM
WLC what does it look like now for playoff imp. before these last two games and what could happen after?

Marian:  Needs to beat Benedictine to stay alive.

Aurora:  2 more wins or at least one Edgewood loss and the Spartans clinch the title outright. (Only Rockford and CU-Chicago stand in their way now.)

Edgewood:   Probably will stay in the top 6 even if they lose their last 3 games (should go at least 2-1, with CU-WI, Rockford and Benedictine to play yet.

WLC:  Warriors have Maranatha at home yet. WLC's announcers were saying the Warriors could garner a #3 seed if things broke right for them. In terms of tie-breakers, WLC would lose ties with Edgewood or Marian. Everyone else they at least split with.

Benedictine:  A win on Thursday knocks Marian out of contention. Have to play Edgewood in their other game, however.

Dominican:  2 winnable games left for this squad. (Concordia-Chicago and Rockford).

Lakeland:  Has 2 winnable games yet (Maranatha and Marian).


(In an earlier post, I mentioned that Lakeland, WLC, Dominican, Marian and Benedictine could all finish with 7 in-conference losses. In order for that to happen, Marian would have to win out, Maranatha would have to beat WLC, and Dominican, Lakeland and Benedictine would have to split their remaining games.)

We wanted a dogfight, we're getting one! :) ;) :D







Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 14, 2007, 10:17:04 AM



My suspicion is that the CCIW will only get in two teams this year, since I think that either Augie or Elmhurst is going to win the conference tourney, and those two teams will most likely be Pool C shoo-ins as well. Aurora would give either one a good game, but I'd bet against the Spartans if they had to play either CCIW team. I'd take Wash U over the Spartans as well -- Bears center Troy Ruths is Mike Haiduc, only better.

The ideal first-round matchup for Aurora would be Chicago, a team that is a bit weak underneath the basket. Like Aurora, even Chicago's best big man (forward Matt Hainje) loves to go outside and stroke the trey. Twenty-footers would be flying left and right if the Spartans and Maroons tangled in the big dance!
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BUT, if AU hosted one of those CCIW schools (I don't remember if AU was regionally ranked higher) it might swing their way. I think AU has a better 4 guard combo than both of those schools you listed (Magee, Trudo, Leonard and Lambert, 45 points per game, 13 reb and they all shoot over 40% from 3land, with Lambert and Trudo at 45%). I agree with you though, I'd prefer to see a CCIW school in a later round. Any other possibilities for AU?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on February 14, 2007, 11:37:30 AM
Don't mean to change the subject, but the 'Saders almost pulled out a NAC win last night.

The crowd was loud the whole game and MBBC led for almost the whole thing. They were tied with 4 minutes to go. Mike Knepp had a huge dunk off a turnover and almost had a second one, but was fouled in the first half.

The difference in the game was outside shooting. Travis Wilson and Dan Klecan started shooting the lights out from beyond the arc late in the second half. However, Wilson was also the reason that Ben almost lost the game early. I have seen very few point guards in this league look as lost as he did. BU's coach stayed with him though. . . They must have no one else to bring the ball up. BU also did some interesting things with their high post. Their high post would often get the ball at the top of the lane with no one on him, but he would never penetrate or shoot just kept throwing the ball back out like he wasn't allowed to do anything but pass. Does their offense always look like everyone is stuck to the floor?

If MBBC could ever get a PG, they might win a few games. Right now their best offense is to give Knepp the ball at half court and let him do his thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on February 14, 2007, 02:01:43 PM

Libero, you are so right. The Saders could have pulled the game out. Props to Dan Klecan. He had three points in the first half and finished with 28 on the game!! A fine shooting performance for Klecan. MBBC's Rob Dupre had a solid game 10 points 10 rebounds and 5 steals. He has become an X-factor for Cronin.

I feel the close loss gave the Saders a bright spot for next year. They are only graduating two guys (both of which will not hurt the team that much). With a few key additions that are coming next year, and hopefully a PG; I think that Cronin will not only get the monkey off his back with a conference win, but three to five conference wins could easily happen.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 14, 2007, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: libero on February 14, 2007, 11:37:30 AM
Don't mean to change the subject, but the 'Saders almost pulled out a NAC win last night.

The crowd was loud the whole game and MBBC led for almost the whole thing. They were tied with 4 minutes to go. Mike Knepp had a huge dunk off a turnover and almost had a second one, but was fouled in the first half.

The difference in the game was outside shooting. Travis Wilson and Dan Klecan started shooting the lights out from beyond the arc late in the second half. However, Wilson was also the reason that Ben almost lost the game early. I have seen very few point guards in this league look as lost as he did. BU's coach stayed with him though. . . They must have no one else to bring the ball up. BU also did some interesting things with their high post. Their high post would often get the ball at the top of the lane with no one on him, but he would never penetrate or shoot just kept throwing the ball back out like he wasn't allowed to do anything but pass. Does their offense always look like everyone is stuck to the floor?

If MBBC could ever get a PG, they might win a few games. Right now their best offense is to give Knepp the ball at half court and let him do his thing.

When Benedictine played WLC in Milwaukee, Klecan hit several 3's as well. Wouldn't you know, Wilson was the Eagle player who got the offensive rebound and put-back that turned out to be the game winner that night with 2.4 seconds to go. The Warriors were smarting for a while after that loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2007, 02:36:42 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2007, 10:17:04 AMBUT, if AU hosted one of those CCIW schools (I don't remember if AU was regionally ranked higher)

This week's Midwest Region rankings are thus:

1. Augustana
2. Washington MO
3. Chicago
4. Aurora
5. Elmhurst
6. Wheaton
7. Carthage
8. Grinnell

Elmhurst lost tonight, so the 'jays are likely to drop at least a spot in the next ranking. And Wash U and Chicago still have another game remaining with one another. So it's possible that Aurora could finagle a Friday/Saturday hosting gig if the Spartans win out, but it's by no means a foregone conclusion.

Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2007, 10:17:04 AMit might swing their way.

Sure. Home-court advantage is big. It could prove to be the tipping point in Aurora's favor if the game is played on the Spartans' floor.

Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2007, 10:17:04 AMI think AU has a better 4 guard combo than both of those schools you listed (Magee, Trudo, Leonard and Lambert, 45 points per game, 13 reb and they all shoot over 40% from 3land, with Lambert and Trudo at 45%).

I agree, although I think Augustana and Elmhurst each have better three-guard combos (Wessels/Delp/Brusveen and Lee/Burks/Bacon) than any three of those four Spartans guards, and while Wash U doesn't have a deep backcourt and is somewhat weak at off-guard, PG Sean Wallis (14.0 ppg, 7.2 apg, over 45% from downtown) is a serious handful to try and contain, especially in the open floor.

Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2007, 10:17:04 AMI agree with you though, I'd prefer to see a CCIW school in a later round. Any other possibilities for AU?

Sure, lots. Because of its strategic location in Chicagoland, Aurora could get moved in a lot of different directions by the selection committee. The Spartans could find themselves playing a WIAC team such as UWSP or UWO; they could, like North Central last season, find themselves locked up with a MIAC team (St. Thomas or St. John's); or they could even end up playing a team from the east such as DePauw or Hope.

If the Spartans manage to climb high enough in the regional ranking, they could even catch a break and play one of the more lightly-regarded teams, such as the MWC representative (without a Braier-laden Lawrence, the MWC doesn't have a team that presents nearly as formidable a challenge as they have the past two postseasons), the IIAC representative (Loras ran away with the IIAC regular season title and is the class of that league this year, but Aurora's clearly better than the Duhawks), or -- if the Spartans really have fortune on their side -- the SLIAC rep.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 15, 2007, 09:20:41 AM

Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2007, 10:17:04 AMI agree with you though, I'd prefer to see a CCIW school in a later round. Any other possibilities for AU?

Sure, lots. Because of its strategic location in Chicagoland, Aurora could get moved in a lot of different directions by the selection committee. The Spartans could find themselves playing a WIAC team such as UWSP or UWO; they could, like North Central last season, find themselves locked up with a MIAC team (St. Thomas or St. John's); or they could even end up playing a team from the east such as DePauw or Hope.

If the Spartans manage to climb high enough in the regional ranking, they could even catch a break and play one of the more lightly-regarded teams, such as the MWC representative (without a Braier-laden Lawrence, the MWC doesn't have a team that presents nearly as formidable a challenge as they have the past two postseasons), the IIAC representative (Loras ran away with the IIAC regular season title and is the class of that league this year, but Aurora's clearly better than the Duhawks), or -- if the Spartans really have fortune on their side -- the SLIAC rep.
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Let's hope for Loras (I'm a graduate of UD) and AU beat Loras pretty easily this year...I can't see AU getting enough love to get the SLIAC rep, but I don't see AU getting slammed and getting a WIAC school..I don't know enough about the MIAC schools to comment..
Thanks Greg!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2007, 09:40:05 PM
28 seconds left:  Lakeland 85, Maranatha 56. (Crusaders' DuPree in foul trouble most of the game. Muskies hit 9 threes and out-rebounded the Crusaders big time.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2007, 09:54:41 PM
Final:  Edgewood 83, Concordia-WI 55. (Cichy did return to the game, DeMarco wasn't needed after he left this one.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2007, 10:00:13 PM
Other 2/15/07 Finals:

Dominican 92, Rockford College 65. (Stars shot 61% from the field for the game--Dominican box score.)

Aurora 109, Concordia-Chicago 86. (Cougars' season ends with either a track-meet like paced game or a ton of connections on 3-point shots.)

Marian 68, Benedictine, 60. (Sabers stay alive.) (Benedictine outshot from the floor-per Marian box score.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2007, 10:45:12 PM
2/17/07 NAthCon Projections:

Aurora over Rockford:  (Spartans figure to keep momentum going).

Edgewood over Benedictine:  (Home game for WI Eagles--assuming DeMarco's well enough to play. Close one here.)

Dominican over Concordia-WI:

Lakeland over Marian:

WLC over Maranatha: 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2007, 11:15:47 PM
First-thought scenarios after tonight's men's results:

(If anyone needs to make corrections--go ahead:)

1--  One more Edgewood loss and Aurora clinches the top seed for the post-season tournament.

2--  If my projections hold true, there would be a 3-way tie for third place between Dominican, Lakeland, and WLC. Benedictine and Marian would tie for the final spot.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2007, 08:16:05 PM
WLC defeats Maranatha 89-60..

Warriors broke out to an 8-0 lead, and the Crusaders crawled back into it and it stayed tight until about the 5-minute mark in the 1st half. WLC had a 48-32 half-time lead, resulting either from steals which lead to several easy baskets, or the 3-point marksmen were on their game. C Lindberg had a couple of dunks that brought the house down.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2007, 08:18:51 PM
Other 2/17 NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 97, Rockford College 77. (Regents shot 22% from the field in the 1st half, and never recovered--per Regents box score.)

Dominican 94, Concordia-WI 90.

Lakeland 80, Marian 64. (Sabers were outshot from the ffield and out-rebounded by the Muskies. Rogers held to 4 points, but Hoerres scored 14--per Lakeland box score.)

Edgewood 64, Benedictine 58. (Averkamp 28 pts. Scott also in double figures. WI Eagles rallied from a 9-pt half-time deficit in part by creating points off turnovers. DeMarco didn't play.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2007, 08:27:35 PM
2/19 Projection:

Edgewood over Rockford.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2007, 06:27:27 AM
Men's NAthCon Tournament Pairings:

Aurora (1) and Edgewood (2)--first round byes:

#6 Benedictine at #3 Dominican.

#5 Lakeland at #4 WLC.

Projected winners:  Dominican and Lakeland. (Though I wouldn't mind if WLC made me eat crow one more time.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on February 18, 2007, 12:18:17 PM
I'll take Benedictine and WLC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on February 18, 2007, 09:27:07 PM
I am feeling Dominican. It is hard to believe Benedictine could win a playoff came after looking so bad against the Saders in Watertown a week ago.

Lakeland vs WLC. My gut says Lakeland pulls this one out.  WLC beat Lakeland a week ago in a close one. Hard to beat the same team twice in one week.

The Conference site has a funny mistake. They have posted MBBC as 0-81 in the conference. Bad season for the Saders but not that bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2007, 10:43:59 PM
Quote from: The Lone Sader on February 18, 2007, 09:27:07 PM
The Conference site has a funny mistake. They have posted MBBC as 0-81 in the conference. Bad season for the Saders but not that bad.

Not exactly the best place for a transposition error.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2007, 11:04:14 PM
I'll take Dominican and Lakeland...and I'm eating crow because I didn't believe Dominican would "contend" for the conference title.  They were 3rd, so I guess that's kind of "contending"...  ::) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 19, 2007, 08:55:47 AM
How about chiming in on "Best Freshman" and "NAthCon Coach of the Year Award"???

I'll see how the talk goes before submitting my takes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on February 19, 2007, 10:13:51 AM
Freshman of year I'd have to say Dan Klecan from BU.

Coach of the year I am unsure about.

For the freshman team, I would have to say:

Dan Klecan BU
Jerid Holewinski MC
Jacob Carwell BU
Christian Lindberg WLC
Mike Knepp MBBC/John Ulrich CUW
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on February 19, 2007, 11:14:07 AM
I agree. I would be surprised if Freshman of the year went to anyone else except Dan Klecan.
I hope Sader's Mike Knepp at leasts gets on the all-freshman team. He has been the only solid player for the Saders this year.

Coach of the year is harder. Every team did what was expected of them at the beginning of the year. The six teams picked to make the playoffs made the playoffs. If Marian had made the playoff (just missed) I might have said Mark Boyle. No one thought they would do anything this year. I guess I have to go with the safe pick Aurora's James Lancaster. He did win the conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mbbcfb on February 19, 2007, 10:02:42 PM
first off, I have to say thank you to you all for not just ripping into us cursaders every chance you/we give you too.

I hope this school can turn it around, and soon.

anyway, I believe that it will come down to EC vs. AU for the champ.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 19, 2007, 10:05:00 PM
2-19 NathCon final:

Edgewood 71, Rockford 59. (Regents out-rebounded 53 to 30 and they also had 11 of their shots blocked. Eagles' C DeMarco did not play--per Regents box score.)

Now they await the winner of Benedictine/Dominican.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 19, 2007, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: mbbcfb on February 19, 2007, 10:02:42 PM
first off, I have to say thank you to you all for not just ripping into us cursaders every chance you/we give you too.

I hope this school can turn it around, and soon.

anyway, I believe that it will come down to EC vs. AU for the champ.



Have you read this posters' account (on the NAthCon Women's board) of the game effort your women's basketball team gave WLC in the first half of that game?  (One of those Hawkins sisters hit several 3's in the first half). Give that squad another year or two and if the returning players stay (and remain healthy), they'll make their fair share of noise.

Also, I know this is off-the-subject, but your women's volleyball team ended Lakeland's 5-year run as conference tournament champion last fall and finished in 4th place in NCCAA Nationals. (Maranatha was the only in-NAthCon volleyball team to see any post-season action, because Benedictine of IL didn't get a bid to the NCAA Div III volleyball tournament.) The Crusader volleyball team has given WLC some classic 5-game matches on the road for the last 2 seasons as well. I've sent volleyball coach Jackson some encouraging e-mails. She will be missed. She's been a class act.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NICNAC on February 19, 2007, 10:16:16 PM
What do you think the chances are that Dominican or Edgewood go to the ncaa tournament if one of them win the conference tournament. Their records would be pretty solid.

Dominican 19-9
Edgewood 18-7

By the way anyone know why DeMarco is not playing
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 19, 2007, 10:18:05 PM
DeMarco jammed his thumb during the Eagles' second game against Concordia-WI.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NICNAC on February 19, 2007, 10:19:17 PM
my bad Edgewood would be 19-7
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 19, 2007, 10:26:46 PM
From what I've read, Edgewood's got a better chance than Dominican, but both teams appear to be on the outside looking in. The Eagles would have to win out and get a lot of out-of-region help.

Unless something drastic happens, though, also heard that Aurora's got a good chance of getting in.

(Keep checking the Pool B and Pool C Men's Boards over the next week or so.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on February 20, 2007, 09:12:24 AM
Quote from: mbbcfb on February 19, 2007, 10:02:42 PM
first off, I have to say thank you to you all for not just ripping into us cursaders every chance you/we give you too.

I hope this school can turn it around, and soon.

anyway, I believe that it will come down to EC vs. AU for the champ.


No one has ripped MBBC on this board for a long time. . .it would help if you could at least spell Crusaders. As a Maranatha fan, the problem is not posters trashing Maranatha - that would be kind of fun, but rather the fact that no one really cares about Maranatha anymore. They have become a complete non-factor. I would rather be hated than ignored.

That said, I think the women's side of the NAC tourney might be more interesting than the men's side this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 20, 2007, 09:34:39 PM
Dominican's up by 17 with less than 1 1/2 minutes left:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 20, 2007, 09:54:07 PM
Final:  Lakeland 51, WLC 50. (Ouch!)

WLC's M Biesterfeld and L Rundel miss the back end of 2 shot-free throw opportunities, then M Zondag gets called for a charge. Muskies' M Rogers misses a couple of free throws and a last second heave by C Lindberg misses.

This poster half expected something of the kind, however.

I'd say the three most costly regular season in-conference losses were the following:

1-- vs. Benedictine at home.

2-- vs. Dominican at home. (difficult when you're 23 points down in 2nd half.)

3-- vs. Edgewood on the road.


Had they won all three of those games they would have been in position to earn a first-round bye.

Again, after their early to mid-season in-conference slump, there was a good chance they'd have missed the playoffs had they not won their last regular season in-conference home games and upset Aurora at home. They still made a good showing their first year in the NAthCon.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 20, 2007, 09:57:14 PM
NAthCon Semi-Final Projections:

Edgewood over Dominican:  (Too close to call if WI Eagles' C DeMarco doesn't play).

Aurora over Lakeland:  (Even more so if the Spartans are hitting their 3's.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 21, 2007, 12:25:19 AM
I think Lakeland is still improving as the season moves on and I expect a closer game than the one some witnessed earlier this season. Matt Rogers hasn't hit 10 points the last two games, a rout of Marian and, in my opinion a very impressive win at WLC, but the Muskies have still won. Rogers didn't play at all in the first half tonight and the Muskies still ran out to a double digit halftime lead. Danny Ehnert and Tyrone Coleman have been amazingly good the last couple games. The team as a whole is rebounding the ball better than they have all season. The key to Lakeland's success is being careful with the ball. If Lakeland limits the turnovers, they're a very very dangerous team.

And speaking of season changing losses, Lakeland was ahead by 16 at halftime against Edgewood and lost, lost in overtime at Marian, lost on free throws with no time on the clock at Dominican, and went cold for 3 of the final 4 minutes at WLC a week ago and lost by 6. They could've easily been looking at the second seed, too. No matter who wins though, Lakeland has to like its chances for next season graduating only one player in Coleman.

In my mind, Lakeland can give Welton all the points he wants, it's getting Mike Leonard in foul trouble like they did the first two games and keeping Dusty Magee from getting open looks around the three-point line that will win the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FrSamuel on February 21, 2007, 01:27:53 PM
I have to jump in on the close losses keeping a team from getting the two-seed.  Almost any team in the conference can make that claim because of the parity within the conference.  Look at Dominican for example, they played a six overtime games this season, five against conference opponents.  They are currently sitting on a 17-9 overall record and could very easily be looking at a 20-win season if they didn't fall by two at Marian (in regulation), to Wisconsin Lutheran at home in overtime, at Edgewood by one in overtime and at home to Aurora by three.  As a matter of fact, their only really convincing defeats were at Aurora and at Benedictine.  The rest of the season all of their losses were either in overtime or by no more than five points (excluding against Coe when they were ahead by six at the half.

The flip-side of that story though is that Dominican also won nine games by fewer than 10 points or in overtime.  That shows how close they were to a.500 season as opposed to being 17-9.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2007, 06:08:13 PM
Concordia-WI also had 7 real close in-conference games--5 of which the Falcons lost. They win 3 of the 5 they lost and at least they stay in contention for a post-season conference tournament berth.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FrSamuel on February 21, 2007, 09:37:13 PM
That's exactly what I'm saying.  The parity in the NAC creates an atmosphere where a lot of schools have very little separation between them.  Marian and Benedictine probably also feel like they could have finished better than in a tie for sixth.  Benedictine played the final two and a half weeks pretty much without their two highest scorers in Swanson and Bailey.  That really could devastate any team filled with no seniors and mostly freshman and sophomores.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2007, 10:30:13 PM
wizbegs:

As far as NAthCon freshman team of the year I agree with most of your picks, except I'd give CUW's Ulrich a slight edge over Marian's J Holewinski (sp). Everyone else would stay the same.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on February 22, 2007, 06:12:35 PM
Will AU be givin a B or C poll bid if they win the division.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FrSamuel on February 22, 2007, 06:18:03 PM
Aurora is eligible for a Pool B bid since the NAC doesn't have an automatic qualifier.  That is most likely the bid they will get.  I would think that even if they don't win the conference, they would still get their bid - be it as one of 4 Pool B's or 18 Pool C's (per the front page article).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2007, 03:14:05 AM
Aurora will be in the tourney as a Pool B entry. Make book on it, because the Pool B teams are picked before the Pool C teams. Just follow the conversation and check out the numbers posted in the "Bumblin' B's" room under the Multi-Regional Topics header. The Spartans are a stone-cold lock to get into the dance as the first Pool B pick.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NICNAC on February 23, 2007, 09:56:12 AM
Hey Greg,

What are the chances that Dominican receive a bid to the tournament, lets say they win out and beat Aurora for the NAC championship. Does that give them any credit?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2007, 09:46:41 PM
Edgewood announcers report the following:

Aurora 86, Lakeland 72  Final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2007, 09:54:00 PM
Final:  Edgewood 73, Dominican 62. (Haiduc held to 2 field goals the entire game. DeMarco and Averkamp both scored more than 20 points. The Stars took the lead briefly, but then had several turnovers and missed shots. The Eagles built up a 14-pt lead, the Stars cut that down to 5, but Edgewood hit their free throws down the stretch to seal the game up.

It's Edgewood vs. Aurora in the final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2007, 09:56:31 PM
2/24 Projection:

Aurora over Edgewood (only because the Spartans are at home.) This one's definitely too close to call.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 24, 2007, 02:13:06 AM
Definitely nothing wrong with the way Lakeland played in that game. Outrebounding the Spartans and turning the ball over 10 times in the game. Outrebounding Aurora alone is quite a feat. Looks like it was just a matter of going cold in the second half and the Spartans getting hot. Must've been a crazy good game and I'm sorry I missed it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 08:38:04 PM
Aurora 38, Edgewood 30

2:43 left in the opening stanza
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 09:10:27 PM
Aurora 56
Edgewood 47

13:58 left
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2007, 09:40:30 PM
Final:  Aurora 85, Edgewood 67. The Spartans are the NAthCon Tournament Champs.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 25, 2007, 05:07:12 PM
So, how are far can Aurora go?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on February 25, 2007, 07:55:56 PM
old school i asked you in november what you thought of au you did not know to much then . now that the season is over what do you think . ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 25, 2007, 09:22:49 PM
Oh, not sure if you saw my post when they lost to WLC.  I went down to the game to see them because a lot of posters in the Top 25 board wanted to know if they were as good as their record...That specific game didn't show it.  But, Mr. Gregory Sager saw them play down in Dominican and was impressed with them.

I had a long-winded post about the WLC/Aurora game.  It was obviously flawed since I only saw them once.  Check back a few pages.  Otherwise, I hope to see them in the tourney if time and distance permits! lol  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2007, 10:23:29 PM
Aurora's in as a Pool B, as expected.  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 26, 2007, 09:44:09 AM
So how good is Calvin? I think AU played them in the NCAA's a few years ago, and it was a tight game..
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ziggy on February 26, 2007, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 26, 2007, 09:44:09 AM
So how good is Calvin? I think AU played them in the NCAA's a few years ago, and it was a tight game..

http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mbasket/stats/2004_05/ncaaaucc.htm

Aurora got up by as many as 15, ended up losing by 12.  Depends on how you want to define a tight game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2007, 09:56:58 AM
Calvin finished second in MIAA this year.

The link to the teams' 06-07 stats is:

www.miaa.org/mbb/stats/0607/calvin-m.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 26, 2007, 03:14:12 PM
For any of you Aurora fans, I put this stat comparison together on the MIAA page and thought I'd share:




Offense     % 2pt   % 3pt      % FT
Calvin     44.5   37.8      73.6
Aurora     47.8   40.7      72.1
            
Defense     % 2pt   % 3pt     
Calvin     41.8   36.0     
Aurora     40.7   30.8     
            
Rebounding     Team   Opp      Margin
Calvin     37.5   33.8      3.7
Aurora     38.8   37.2      1.6
            
Scoring     Team   Opp      Margin
Calvin     75.9   67.7      8.2
Aurora     87.0   69.4      17.6
            
3 point shooting     Attempts   Made      Made/game
Calvin     580   219      8.1
Aurora     722   294      10.9
            
Blocks     Total   per game     
Calvin     76   2.81     
Aurora     115   4.26     
            
Steals     Total   per game     
Calvin     198   7.3     
Aurora     247   9.1     
            
Turnovers     Total    per game     
Calvin     359   13.3     
Aurora     348   12.9     
            
Assists     Total   per game     
Calvin     365   13.5     
Aurora     424   15.7     
            
Assist/Turnover             
Calvin     1.02        
Aurora     1.22        
            
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ziggy on February 26, 2007, 03:51:51 PM
Info for the upcoming weekend from MIAA poster sac:

Common opponents

Hope v Chicago

Chicago 81 Wheaton 77 at Chicago
Wheaton 73 Hope 70 neutral court

Chicago 93 Kalamazoo 59 at Kzoo
Hope 87 Kalamazoo 55 at Kzoo
Hope 86 Kalamazoo 48 at Hope

Calvin v Aurora

Aurora 83 Benedictine 79 at  Aurora
Calvin 79 Benedictine 60 at Calvin

Aurora 95 Concordia Wi 71 at  Concordia WI
Calvin 98 Concordia WI 76 at Calvin
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2007, 03:53:14 PM
Any Aurora fans or others think they could get me a ticket or two for Friday's games only?  Send me a message. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: realist on February 26, 2007, 06:33:06 PM
FWIW:  For Aurora fans wanting to know how Calvin did this year.  They started the year way over hyped, and struggled much of the season.  To give you an idea.  Hope and Calvin both lost to Wheaton and Carthage early.  Hope beat Calvin twice, and Calvin returned the favor beating Hope twice.  The most recent last Sat. for the MIAA AQ.  The other Calvin L's were to UW Lax, and Wooster in a Christmas tourney at Wooster.  The other L's were to MIAA teams.  Based on the stats posted above you can draw your own conclusions.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on February 26, 2007, 10:44:20 PM
I absolutely cannot believe the NCAA is sending Calvin and Hope to a site like Aurora. For those who have never been there, it's not real big, and the word is they are not planning on clearing the crowd after the first game. Based on how well Hope and Calvin travel, I think there are going to be a LOT of disappointed fans this weekend. Aurora did all the right things on the court to earn the host - it's just that they don't have a gym big enough to host the likes of Calvin and Hope. I sure hope that Aurora plans on having everyone in athletics working OT to help out this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2007, 11:03:51 PM
This site says Aurora's gym holds 2200...that's twice as much as Lawrence's Alexander gym.  They cleared out the gym after the first game and made the fans that attended the Augie game stand out at the end of the line just to get back in for the Lawrence/IWU game...and that was a sectional.  I heard Hope and Calvin travel well, but so does IWU.  Since Hope and Calvin will be split up for the first game, it shouldn't be too bad.  Aurora averages less than 500 a game, according to their website.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Big_Uns on February 27, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
2200? Unless there's a breakaway wall on some end, there's no way. Both baselines barely have enough room for the cheerleaders much less standing room only fans, and the bleachers aren't all that tall either.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 27, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 27, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
2200? Unless there's a breakaway wall on some end, there's no way. Both baselines barely have enough room for the cheerleaders much less standing room only fans, and the bleachers aren't all that tall either.

And following NCAA rules(2/3 of tickets for the host, the other 1/3 split between the other three teams), Aurora has provided 285 tickets each to Calvin & Hope (and presumably Chicago).  Hope and Calvin - if given unlimited tickets - would easily each bring 1000-1500 fans to that gym on Friday.  Should they both win on Friday, the Aurora folks can not possibly anticipate what's coming.  This rivalry has never failed to fill whatever location they are playing in - including the 12,500 seat Van Andel arena in Grand Rapids
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2007, 03:45:14 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 27, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
2200? Unless there's a breakaway wall on some end, there's no way. Both baselines barely have enough room for the cheerleaders much less standing room only fans, and the bleachers aren't all that tall either.

Don't kill the messenger because of the message...that's what THIS SITE has listed.

According to Aurora's website, the biggest crowd they had was when Benedictine came to town, and the boxscore says 1589.

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 27, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 27, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
2200? Unless there's a breakaway wall on some end, there's no way. Both baselines barely have enough room for the cheerleaders much less standing room only fans, and the bleachers aren't all that tall either.

And following NCAA rules(2/3 of tickets for the host, the other 1/3 split between the other three teams), Aurora has provided 285 tickets each to Calvin & Hope (and presumably Chicago).  Hope and Calvin - if given unlimited tickets - would easily each bring 1000-1500 fans to that gym on Friday.  Should they both win on Friday, the Aurora folks can not possibly anticipate what's coming.  This rivalry has never failed to fill whatever location they are playing in - including the 12,500 seat Van Andel arena in Grand Rapids

Did they fill that with 12,500 Hope and Calvin fans?  Anyway, I don't think you'll have to worry about what the Aurora folks will anticipate if Hope and Calvin win, there won't be any there.

Anyway, VERY EALY prediction...

Hope and Calvin both lose.  Calvin is a decent team but plays it's best vs. Hope.  Hope needs to prove it can beat a quality opponent like Chicago.

I haven't seen Calvin, Hope or Chicago play, but it's rumored that the UAA is a stronger conference up and down than the MIAA.  I've seen Carthage play and I saw that Carthage (and Wheaton) swept Hope and Calvin.  Aurora, the only time I saw them, looked horrible, but they'll be at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: KnightSlappy on February 27, 2007, 04:03:24 PM
They way I see it, Aurora isn't going to last the weekend.  I don't see both MIAA teams losing on Friday and an untested Aurora team may have a hard time winning back to back tough games against quality physical teams.  Calvin is a completely different team then they were at Carthage, they will give the Spartans a tough matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: realist on February 27, 2007, 05:14:56 PM
Old School:  Yes, the UAA is a fine conference.  Yes, the MIAA was down this year.  However, judging the conference by one year, and several early season games is not wise.  Calvin won the championship in 2000,  and made the final 4 in 05.  When did Aurora last appear in the final 4?  Keep thinking that the NCAA has sent two patsy MIAA teams to Aurora for your enjoyment.   :)  If I recall correctly in 05 no one gave Calvin any hope of surviving the trip to Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2007, 07:40:04 PM
Considering I'm judging the MIAA by one year, THIS YEAR, yeah, I'll stick with my BOLD predictions! lol.  And yes, I haven't seen Calvin or Hope play this year, so I guess I'm just talking out of my butt. :D

A lot has been said of Hope and their inability to win an "impressive" game this year.  Calvin and Hope have great traditions, as you have mentioned.  I was there in Salem in 05 and I don't think they should've lost to Rochester.  They won the championship in 2000, yes, congrats.  But, how does that factor into THIS WEEKEND?! 

You are being totally contradictive (is that a word? lol) to yourself.  You are questioning ME on judging the conference by one year and "several early season games" and then you tell me how awesome Calvin was in 2000 and 2005!  That's just too funny. 

Read your own post again and you'll laugh too! lol  ;D

Anyway, my posts are good natured.  I don't have a dog in this fight this weekend.  I'm hoping to see some good basketball, and by all means, if I make it down there, feel free to introduce yourself.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 27, 2007, 09:32:15 PM
Congratulations to all players who received NAthCon All-Conference Awards!

http://northernathleticsconf.com/sports/basketball_men/all-conference/

No real surprises there.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2007, 09:47:23 PM
Hey Greg,

Just curious if you are going to the Aurora "sub-sectional"...it's kind of in your neck of the woods.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 03:02:34 AM
Quote from: Old School on February 27, 2007, 03:45:14 PM
Quote from: Big_Uns on February 27, 2007, 12:27:18 AM
2200? Unless there's a breakaway wall on some end, there's no way. Both baselines barely have enough room for the cheerleaders much less standing room only fans, and the bleachers aren't all that tall either.

Don't kill the messenger because of the message...that's what THIS SITE has listed.

::shrugs:: We compiled these numbers like five years ago so I can't say for sure where we got them, but it must've been printed somewhere.

Been in the gym once. It doesn't strike me as small but what do I know? I was not there to count seats. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2007, 03:54:54 AM
Quote from: Old School on February 27, 2007, 09:47:23 PM
Hey Greg,

Just curious if you are going to the Aurora "sub-sectional"...it's kind of in your neck of the woods.

I'm planning on it ... but first I have to purchase the NCAA-sanctioned neutral fan attire of a Rangers starter jacket and a purple cap. :D

(I'm also thinking of having a blue t-shirt made that says, "Deis! Deis! Deis!" on the front and "I'm Swampgoon" on the back.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 28, 2007, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2007, 03:54:54 AM
Quote from: Old School on February 27, 2007, 09:47:23 PM
Hey Greg,

Just curious if you are going to the Aurora "sub-sectional"...it's kind of in your neck of the woods.

I'm planning on it ... but first I have to purchase the NCAA-sanctioned neutral fan attire of a Rangers starter jacket and a purple cap. :D

(I'm also thinking of having a blue t-shirt made that says, "Deis! Deis! Deis!" on the front and "I'm Swampgoon" on the back.)

Come on GS... there's only ONE Swampgoon....!  And I can attest that he's real and NOT a figment of OS's imagination!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 28, 2007, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2007, 03:54:54 AM
Quote from: Old School on February 27, 2007, 09:47:23 PM
Hey Greg,

Just curious if you are going to the Aurora "sub-sectional"...it's kind of in your neck of the woods.

I'm planning on it ... but first I have to purchase the NCAA-sanctioned neutral fan attire of a Rangers starter jacket and a purple cap. :D

(I'm also thinking of having a blue t-shirt made that says, "Deis! Deis! Deis!" on the front and "I'm Swampgoon" on the back.)

AWESOME - it will make finding you between games easier. :D

Seriously, we should have a "meet each other party" between games or something.  I know that a number of MIAA posters will be there, and would love to meet you all.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2007, 05:12:47 PM
I only stand 5'3", but I'm not hard to miss.  Feel free to track me down.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on February 28, 2007, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 28, 2007, 05:12:47 PM
I only stand 5'3", but I'm not hard to miss.  Feel free to track me down.

Will do - look forward to meeting you in person
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on March 01, 2007, 04:11:33 PM
Does anyone have a line on one or two tickets for tomorrow night?  I've called and emailed Aurora, Hope, and Calvin and they are all out.  U of C wasn't sure yet.  I'd even stand.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2007, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: petemcb on March 01, 2007, 04:11:33 PM
Does anyone have a line on one or two tickets for tomorrow night?  I've called and emailed Aurora, Hope, and Calvin and they are all out.  U of C wasn't sure yet.  I'd even stand.

I have an extra one, Keith45 was nice enough to buy me two, but my friend whimped out and isn't coming...so I have one for you...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:00:03 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Aurora? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2007, 07:40:42 PM
Halftime score:  Hope 42, Chicago 29.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2007, 08:39:41 PM
Final of first game:  Hope 76, University of Chicago 54.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2007, 09:40:01 PM
Per MIAA board:  Calvin 44, Aurora 29  half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2007, 11:34:30 PM
Final:  Calvin 69, Aurora 68. (Ouch!)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on March 03, 2007, 02:57:52 PM
Great showing by NAC, their at large bid will be tougher to get next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 03, 2007, 04:22:36 PM
Why would it be harder next year. Even if opponents-opponents strength of schedule is included the NAC will still be under Pool B criteria. Keep in mind that Lincoln won't be eligible as they are starting their provisional D2 status so that opens up a Pool B spot right there. Now the NAC might not get to host next year after bowing out in the first round but I don't see how it's going to effect them getting a team in.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2007, 11:20:41 PM
I really didn't understand that comment either, actually.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2007, 10:48:17 AM
Yeah, past performance doesn't really affect future selection processes.

Lincoln leaves D-III. The Presidents' Athletic Conference gets an automatic bid. Eight teams leave various conferences to create the Landmark Conference and they will not have an automatic bid for two years.

Basically a swap.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on March 04, 2007, 02:22:32 PM
Thanks Pat. Shoot my theories down again. LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on March 09, 2007, 05:38:19 PM
I just wanted to thank all the people who posted on this site for the last 2 years,I really enjoyed reading your opinions and jokes and basically just reading what you had to say. My main reason for following this conference is moving to another D3 or possibly D2 or D1,just have to wait and see what happens.From posting on LMC to NAC I have enjoyed it. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 20, 2007, 05:03:42 PM
Final Top 25 poll is out--Aurora takes a drop but still stays in Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 21, 2007, 12:00:37 PM
Props to Aurora's Larry Welton on being named an All-American!  :) ;) :D :) ;)  :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on June 07, 2007, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: muskiefanillinois on June 06, 2007, 10:47:28 PM
Another Lakeland coach(football) sees the light and moves on, what gives at Lakeland? how many coaches have moved on in the last 2 years in the sports program ? :'( how does that affect the players who commit there for 4 years ?

An interesting comment considering the poster. Hopefully the facts about decisions that a certain player made this past season won't be shared on this board. Now that you are out the door, why throw mud at the place??? Just be happy and move on.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 07, 2007, 06:53:02 PM
IMHO, Lakeland's men's basketball coach Brumett still had a respectable showing last year, and the Muskies' new women's basketball coach is a former Lakeland player who figures to have a good chance of carrying on the winning tradition there as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Muskurbator on June 08, 2007, 01:29:23 PM
Muskiefanillinois,

First of all if you are going to dog Lakeland College then change your dang name.  Second of all your reason for leaving the college and this board is not going to a division 2 or division 1 college.  Face it he was an all-conference player at Lakeland and he is not going to go play big time he wasn't even a division 3 all-american.  I am sure that Lakeland is happy to rid themselves of the off court issues such as reported drug use and a dui.  Sounds to me he was treated very well and should have no gripes about Lakeland where most programs would have dropped him like a bad habit.  As for the football coach, well it's a no brainer going to one of the top state schools in wisconsin as well as one of the best division 3 football teams in the country.  Who in the hell wouldn't take that job?  So don't dog the school for people moving on to better positions Homer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on June 24, 2007, 12:53:24 AM
Muskurbator:
                     You are missing the point of my posting the focus was on coaches leaving not the football coach or "dogging Lakeland", when you recruit a kid who buys into the program you are getting a 4 year commitment from him, when the coach tells him he will be there all the way with him that kind of seals the deal. When the coach leaves after one year what happens to the kid? How does he handle that ? some do well others don't ,doesn't matter the level of talent the kid has all that matters is he feels betrayed and the trust is gone. I am a fan of Muskie sports and I will follow Muskie sports (I even went to see Nick play with the Rock River Raptors) ,I met the players on the basketball team and they are good guys.As far as Coach Brumett I feel he will have sucess with the team and his style of play. I have never wrote or said anything bad about the players, coaches or ths school unlike you. In posting 94 you mention a player by name( I have met the player and he is nothing like what you posted) and then write a posting like that, put yourself in his place see how you feel, your creditability and judgement is poor at best and then you reply to my posting by attacking another player showing you don't know even half of the story or the facts ,everything has two sides to it.Use better judgement before posting
               
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 24, 2007, 12:07:32 PM
Lakeland, like a lot of smaller D3 schools, is not a destination, but part of the journey.  In a basketball sense right off the top of my head, Paul Combs made a name for himself at Lakeland and moved on, as did Grzesk.  Many coaches have come to appreciate the opportunity that Lakeland offered them as "wet-behind-the-ears" coaches and moved on to bigger and better things.  When those coaches are here, they make the programs better during that time and I don't think they can complain when something better comes along and can't blame them for moving on.  It's going to happen at any level (for example, a mid-major coach jumping ship to go to a Big 10 school or an SEC school or whatever).  I think the advantage of D3, when it comes to the student, is that there is only a verbal committment and he/she can pack their bags at anytime.  It's not like they are on scholarship (athletic).  Yes, there are inconveniences when it comes to committing to a school because of the coach and then the coach leaves.  I was recruited by one coach and played for another coach...the coach that recruited me stepped down before I even got there.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on June 24, 2007, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: Muskurbator on June 08, 2007, 01:29:23 PM
Muskiefanillinois,

First of all if you are going to dog Lakeland College then change your dang name.  Second of all your reason for leaving the college and this board is not going to a division 2 or division 1 college.  Face it he was an all-conference player at Lakeland and he is not going to go play big time he wasn't even a division 3 all-american.  I am sure that Lakeland is happy to rid themselves of the off court issues such as reported drug use..............   

Muskur-----

Your post using "reported" is irresponsible at best. If you have an axe to grind with a parent, you don't go after his kid----under ANY circumstances. Especially, when you stoop so low as to use "reported" or "alleged" in connection with such activity. If there is a conviction, then it is what it is. If you have an OPINION, then state your opinion making sure you state that its your opinion and why you think its so rather than holding it out to be fact or, worse yet, attempting to smear someone by inserting "reported" or "alleged" before your unfounded accusation.

MY opinion is that someone who intentionally tries to connect a kid with an illegal activity, even though he knows such activity was not proven, should more aptly be referred to as MASTERbator, rather than Muskurbator.  Of course, thats just my OPINION. I realize not everyone will agree with me---but I can live with that.   :-* 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on June 24, 2007, 09:38:35 PM
Recruiting in athletics is about trust,personalities and building relationships. If the student is happy and in the right place cornfields, skyscrapers, beaches or whatever else doesn't mean very much.A wise man wrote this and I enjoyed reading it, something like this holds water. Take away any of the elements and you have confusion in a young mans mind, commitments are black and white not grey.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on June 25, 2007, 10:39:23 AM
I think the point that (Mr. Doebler) is making is that you commit to the school at the D3 level more than you do at higher levels. There will always be a percentage of student athletes that  leave when a coach moves on but more often than not it doesn't happen.

I personally know of someone that was highly sought by Lakeland and a few other D3s. In the end he decided that playing ball wasn't that important so he has opted for the University of Minnesota next year. Because they are a big school they simply have better facilities for is field of academic study.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 25, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
From the NathCon

Lakeland schedule is up (http://www.lakeland.edu/Athletics/mens_basketball/mbasketball_schedule.asp)

Benedictine (http://www.ben.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/schedule.asp?PageId=439)

Concordia U. of Illinois (http://www.cuchicago.edu/athletics/men/basketball/schedule.asp?sid=2)

Concordia U. of Wisconsin (http://www.cuw.edu/Athletics/men/basketball/schedule.html)

Dominican (http://www.dom.edu/athletics/mens-basketball-2007schedule.asp)

Maranatha Baptist (http://www.mbbc.edu/page.aspx?m=525)

Marian College of Fond du Lac (http://www.mariancollege.edu/interior.asp?id=1169&pID=1022)

Rockford (http://www.rockford.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/schedule.asp)


Aurora
Edgewood
MSOE
Wisconsin Lutheran


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on June 27, 2007, 11:42:24 PM
http://msoe.edu/athletics/?mbask/2007-2008/schedule

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 06, 2007, 12:29:36 AM
A note on DOMINICAN from a regular poster in the CCIW room:

Saw Dominican play in the Deerfield summer league tonight. Great athleticism, speed, and especially jumping ability. They have several guys who can really sky. Additionally,  they appear to be very good shooters. I don't know how well they shot last year, but I bet they improve their FG% this season, no matter what they shot last year. They must have hit 75 % of their shots in the 1st half tonight. Fell off some in the 2nd half, but still impressive overall. Many of their shots fell due to great ball movement. They often passed up a good shot for a better shot. They wound up losing to North central by one on a last second shot. The loss was due mostly to getting away from the ball movement and softer defense in the 2nd half. Also, North Central probably doubled its FG% in the 2nd half.

As far as NAC conference play this year-----if your team doesn't get back on defense, or can't rebound, you are gonna be in trouble. This is a team that will run fast, jump high, and pass well. If they continue to hit their shots, and tighten up their defense, particularly on the perimeter, they could very well be in the hunt for the conference championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on July 06, 2007, 12:36:57 AM
That was a fun game to watch, they can fly. All through warmups they were dunkin and having fun. AndOne look out the STARS ARE RISING ;D and starting to come out
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 06, 2007, 04:09:38 PM
One of the reasons why summer leagues have limited relevance is the fact that it's often little more than pickup ball, so there's not much to be gleaned from seeing a team dunk in warmups aside from the fact that it has some athletic players. It's things such as ball movement, feeding the post, team defense, etc., that one should be scrutinizing -- because if you see those types of things in a summer league game, you know that you're seeing a disciplined and cohesive unit that will make life easier for the coach once practices begin in the fall.

Quote from: AndOne on July 06, 2007, 12:29:36 AMI don't know how well they shot last year, but I bet they improve their FG% this season, no matter what they shot last year.

Overall the Stars shot .472 from the field last season, .361 from beyond the arc. That was good for second and third, respectively, among NAthCon teams. In league play the Stars shot .500 from the field and .401 from downtown, good for first and second, respectively, in the NAthCon. So shooting was not a problem for the Stars last season.

Mark White's a good coach, and he's had Dominican on a steady upward climb over the past four years. While I'd have to think that the presence of Larry Welton and three of the other four Spartans starters from last year's champions will make Aurora the league favorite in 2007-08, I wouldn't be surprised if the Stars contend for the NAthCon title as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on July 06, 2007, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 06, 2007, 04:09:38 PM
One of the reasons why summer leagues have limited relevance is the fact that it's often little more than pickup ball, so there's not much to be gleaned from seeing a team dunk in warmups aside from the fact that it has some athletic players. It's things such as ball movement, feeding the post, team defense, etc., that one should be scrutinizing -- because if you see those types of things in a summer league game, you know that you're seeing a disciplined and cohesive unit that will make life easier for the coach once practices begin in the fall.

Quote from: AndOne on July 06, 2007, 12:29:36 AMI don't know how well they shot last year, but I bet they improve their FG% this season, no matter what they shot last year.

Overall the Stars shot .472 from the field last season, .361 from beyond the arc. That was good for second and third, respectively, among NAthCon teams. In league play the Stars shot .500 from the field and .401 from downtown, good for first and second, respectively, in the NAthCon. So shooting was not a problem for the Stars last season.

Mark White's a good coach, and he's had Dominican on a steady upward climb over the past four years. While I'd have to think that the presence of Larry Welton and three of the other four Spartans starters from last year's champions will make Aurora the league favorite in 2007-08, I wouldn't be surprised if the Stars contend for the NAthCon title as well.

Rumor has it that AU has a stud PG coming in, to pick up where D. Leonard left off last year..I think last years NCAA loss will only help motivate them even more, so I dont see anyone touching them in league play...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 11, 2007, 11:00:40 PM
Dominican may just have the horses to either put a handle on the other AU players and let Welton get his OR, effectively hold Welton down and make the other guys step it up a notch. Overall, AU is prob a notch above DU---especially outside shooting?---but DU will certainly possess a dangerous threat.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 12, 2007, 10:33:31 PM

From the NathCon

Lakeland schedule is up (http://www.lakeland.edu/Athletics/mens_basketball/mbasketball_schedule.asp)

Benedictine (http://www.ben.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/schedule.asp?PageId=439)

Concordia U. of Illinois (http://www.cuchicago.edu/athletics/men/basketball/schedule.asp?sid=2)

Concordia U. of Wisconsin (http://www.cuw.edu/Athletics/men/basketball/schedule.html)

Dominican (http://www.dom.edu/athletics/mens-basketball-2007schedule.asp)

Maranatha Baptist (http://www.mbbc.edu/page.aspx?m=525)

Marian College of Fond du Lac (http://www.mariancollege.edu/interior.asp?id=1169&pID=1022)

Rockford (http://www.rockford.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/schedule.asp)


EDIT:

As previously mentioned:

MSOE schedule (http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/?mbask/2007-2008/schedule)

Aurora
Edgewood

Wisconsin Lutheran
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mac Attack II on July 14, 2007, 11:59:43 AM
What kind of team will Lakeland College have this coming season? Who will be some of their better players, what's their style of play, etc. They come to MacMurray in December. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on July 15, 2007, 07:55:54 AM
Mac Attack II,
                     3 starters returning, 2nd year under Coach Brumett's system ,good players off the bench, not sure about freshmen next year sounds like a good start this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on July 21, 2007, 03:03:52 PM
Doesn't anyone post on this board? look at the other boards and this board is way behind or doesn't anyone care to share?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on July 21, 2007, 03:07:41 PM
Mac attack II,
                     I heard they only lost 2 players from last year one to graduation and one transfer to an Illinois school.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 22, 2007, 05:59:27 PM
7-18 Update on a recruit headed Concordia-WI's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=635177
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 22, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: mifflin on July 21, 2007, 03:07:41 PM
Mac attack II,
                     I heard they only lost 2 players from last year one to graduation and one transfer to an Illinois school.

The transfer player is Matt Rogers who led Lakeland in scoring last year as a soph. He transferred to North Central College in Naperville, IL. NCC plays in the CCIW--very possibly the nation's #1 D3 basketball conference.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 08, 2007, 11:26:46 AM
Edgewood landed an exhibition opportunity from virtually its' own back yard:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 10, 2007, 10:41:16 AM

IN THE DEERFIELD SUMMER LEAGUE------

Dominican finished 8-1 and tied for first place in Pool B.
I have previously commented on this team which seems poised for a very good season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 22, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
Lakeland schedule is up (http://www.lakeland.edu/Athletics/mens_basketball/mbasketball_schedule.asp)

Benedictine (http://www.ben.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/schedule.asp?PageId=439)

Concordia U. of Illinois (http://www.cuchicago.edu/athletics/men/basketball/schedule.asp?sid=2)

Concordia U. of Wisconsin (http://www.cuw.edu/Athletics/men/basketball/schedule.html)

Dominican (http://www.dom.edu/athletics/mens-basketball-2007schedule.asp)

Maranatha Baptist (http://www.mbbc.edu/page.aspx?m=525)

Marian College of Fond du Lac (http://www.mariancollege.edu/interior.asp?id=1169&pID=1022)

Rockford (http://www.rockford.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/schedule.asp)

MSOE (http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/?mbask/2007-2008/schedule)

WISCONSIN LUTHERAN (http://www.wlc.edu/athletics/m_basketball/index.aspx?id=738)

Aurora

Edgewood-released Aug. 20-Despite it being past Aug. 20, Edgewood has yet to release their schedule.


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 18, 2007, 04:35:39 PM
Here's the latest on what's on Benedictine's men's basketball docket:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2007_09/20070915a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 11, 2007, 10:23:10 AM
Edgewood schedule (http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/sports/mbball/schedules/)

Aurora schedule (http://www.aurora.edu/scoreboard/schedules/basketball-m.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on October 25, 2007, 05:16:15 PM
It's time AU plays NIU November 2nd .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FrSamuel on October 26, 2007, 04:31:18 PM
Time for basketball predictions.  The NAC Coaches Poll hasn't come out yet but anyone got any thoughts on how the conference will shape up this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on October 28, 2007, 10:59:55 PM
Ill take a stab
I dont really see alot of diference in order coming into this season. Outside of Leonard, the top teams didnt lose much. Marian and WLC will fall without Hagel and Redmond.
Prediction:
1) AU
2) Edgewood
3) MSOE
4) Dominican
5) Lakeland
6) Bendictine
7) WLC
8) CUW
9) CUI
10) Rockford
11) Marian
12) Maranatha

All-Conference (well they pick more than 5, I will limit it to that)
Saiberlich
Welton
Murphy
Averkamp
Demarco

Rookie of the year:
Austin Meier, MSOE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on October 29, 2007, 02:39:27 PM
Welton this is his last year if he can bring his best game thay might get past the 1st round of the NCAA tounament
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FrSamuel on October 29, 2007, 05:42:29 PM
I'll go:

1. Edgewood
2. Aurora
3. Dominican
4. Lakeland
5. WLC
6. MSOE
7. Benedictine
8. Concordia Chicago
9. Concordia Wisconsin
10. Marian
11. Rockford
12. Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on October 29, 2007, 09:23:23 PM
I'll go
 
      Ranking                                     All Conference
  1.Dominican
  2.Aurora                                       Christian Lindburg
  3. Edgewood                                Dan Klecan
  4.Benedictine                               Jerid Holewinski
  5.Lakeland                                   Aaron Regal
  6.MSOE                                        Mich Biesterfield
  7.WLC                                          Larry Welton
  8. Concordia Wisc                        Kris Saiberlich
  9.Marian                                      Charlie Averkamp
10.Concordia Chi                          Mike Haiduc
11.Maranatha                              Chris Demarco
12.Rockford                                  Scott Murphy
                                                      Dan Ehnert
                                                      Tim Swanson

                   All Conference Team not in any order

                COY   Mark White
                POY   Chris Demarco
                Roy   ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on October 30, 2007, 01:07:02 AM
 Re: Northern Athletic Conference Chat
« Reply #1682 on: Today at 01:05:37 am »   

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My picks:

1. Aurora-Welton back tough to argue
2. Edgewood-Averkamp in DeMarco
3. Benedictine-Almost everyone back from a solid team last year
4. Dominican-Haiduc is tough
5. Lakeland-Losing Rogers hurts, but still well coached aaron regal is a very underrated player, plus still have saiberlich and ehnert
6. WLC-Lindberg is one of the best athletes in the conf., however the uncertainty of Biesterfeld's eligibility could leave them with no proven point guard
7. Concordia WI-Many players returning from last year plus Lipanot is back
8. MSOE-Solid team, could surprise some people, Murphy is one of the best big men in the conf.
9. Marian-Could finish better, usually good for some upsets, and still have Van Ess
10. Concordia Ill.-Could upset some teams if overlooked
11. Rockford-Unless they got some good recruits, won't be good
12. Maranatha-Gotta pick em last since that's where they usually are, and probably will be again

All-Conference No particular order

1. Larry Welton
2. Charlie Averkamp
3. Chris DeMarco
4. Jacob Carwell
5. Mike Haiduc
6. Christian Lindberg
7. Kris Saiberlich
8. Scott Murphy
9. Aaron Regal
10. David Lipanot

POY-Larry Welton

Tough to pick an all conference team, lots of good players in the league this year, should be an interesting season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2007, 01:18:21 AM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on October 30, 2007, 01:07:02 AMAll-Conference No particular order

1. Larry Welton
2. Charlie Averkamp
3. Chris DeMarco
4. Jacob Carwell
5. Mike Haiduc
6. Christian Lindberg
7. Kris Saiberlich
8. Scott Murphy
9. Aaron Regal
10. David Lipanot

Jacob Carwell isn't in this league anymore. He transferred from Benedictine to Wheaton.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on October 30, 2007, 11:09:53 AM
oh thanks for the heads up, didn't realize he left, benedictine's website didn't have a roster up yet, but i hadn't heard that. he was a good player. i think their team will still be pretty good without him though. that being said here are a few other guys that i think could push for all conference:

Jordan Van Ess-Marian
Josh Atkinson-CUW
Marcus Zondag-WLC
Nate Sorum-WLC
Tim Swanson-BU
Dan Klecan-BU
Danny Ehnert-Lakeland
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on October 30, 2007, 11:15:21 AM
Also, just wondering if anyone knows which team has the best recruiting class this year? I heard that WLC has no freshmen, two sophomores are joining the team, but won't play, hard to believe that you can go the whole offseason with no recruits. But just wondering what everyone else has.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on October 30, 2007, 03:37:58 PM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on October 30, 2007, 11:15:21 AM
Also, just wondering if anyone knows which team has the best recruiting class this year? I heard that WLC has no freshmen, two sophomores are joining the team, but won't play, hard to believe that you can go the whole offseason with no recruits. But just wondering what everyone else has.

I have no idea what other teams have but we have a pretty good especially since there were no seniors on the team last season:

Complementing the veterans on the roster is a crop of freshman that is among the best to be recruited to MSOE.

Headlining the class is 6-4 forward Austin Meier, who led Oshkosh West to consecutive Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association Division I championships. Meier was selected to the All-Fox Valley Association first team in 2007 and was a second-team selection in 2006. He was an All-State Honorable Mention selection last year and was also named to the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association all-star team. Despite a number of scholarship offers from high-profile NCAA Division II schools, Meier - whose father was a member of the 1987 Indiana University team that won the National Championship under head coach Bobby Knight - chose MSOE.

"Meier is a very complete and versatile player," Miller says. "He can play at three positions and is known for his defensive ability. He's a stat-box stuffer in a number of categories and knows how to win."

Another incoming freshman with a strong pedigree is Bennett Deacon. He led Burlington Catholic Central to a 26-1 record, the Midwest Classic Conference and WIAA Division 4 state championships in 2006 while playing for his father, Paul. Deacon's sister Kelsey is a point guard with Northern Michigan University and his brother Tyrone mans the same post for UW-Parkside.


http://msoe.edu/athletics/teams/team_home.shtml?teamId=73056&teamTitle=Men's%20Basketball&crumbTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Team

Austin Meier's video:
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=527478415&channel=353512526

13. Austin Meier, 6-5, WF, Oshkosh West

Meier is an outstanding student in addition to being an outstanding basketball player. He would like to major in architectural engineering, which is not offered at a lot of schools. Michigan Tech remains involved after offering Meier in the fall. Milwaukee School of Engineering and UW-Platteville are also involved along with potential preferred walk-on opportunities at some NCAA Division I schools.

"Mentally and physically, I think Austin is good enough to play at the Division I level," Oshkosh West coach Lance Randall said. "In the right system, I think he'd be an excellent glue guy for a program."

http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14033&sportID=1


"Brian Miller is putting together an impressive recruiting class at Milwaukee School of Engineering.

After recently securing a commitment from Oshkosh West senior Austin Meier, Miller received more good news for his program when Burlington Catholic Central senior guard Bennett Deacon opted to join the Raiders' program.

A 6-foot-1 combination guard, Deacon averaged 17.7 points per game while playing for his father, Paul, at Catholic Central.

A two-year starter for Catholic Central, Deacon helped the Hilltoppers to a 17-7 record in 2006-07. As a junior, Deacon averaged 12.8 ppg while helping Catholic Central to a 26-1 record and the WIAA Division 4 state championship.

"With two other children playing college basketball and desiring family closeness, we felt MSOE was a good fit for Bennett as well as our family," Paul Deacon said. "Bennett's desire to study architectural engineering also factored into his decision."

MSOE finished with a 16-11 record last season as a provisional member of the new Northern Athletics Conference. The Raiders will become a full-fledged member of the NAC in time for the 2007-08 season.

"Bennett has both the basketball skills and athletic skills to excel at high levels in college," Paul Deacon said. "If he can stay healthy and become more consistent in his overall play, he has a chance to be one of the best guards coming out of the 2007 class.""


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on October 30, 2007, 04:04:19 PM
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14228&sportID=1

link for the last blurb

One more...
Howards Grove senior Tyler Morgen will continue his playing career at Milwaukee School of Engineering.

A 6-1 guard with excellent physical strength, Morgen is a two-time first-team all-league pick in the Central Lakeshore Conference. He helped Howards Grove to a 16-7 record in 2006-07.

Morgen joins Oshkosh West senior Austin Meier and Burlington Catholic Central senior Bennett Deacon in the incoming recruiting class of MSOE coach Brian Miller.
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14310&sportID=1
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on October 31, 2007, 12:50:41 AM
Wow, sounds like Brian Miller did some good work over the offseason.   I believe they also got Bryan Henne, 6'6" center from Kettle Moraine Lutheran.  Saw him play in high school a few times.  Has decent footwork and is strong in the post.  Will need to work on his shooting a bit for college, but still might see some minutes for MSOE this year.  sounds like there team is going to have a lot of depth at their forward positions behind Murphy and Sabree.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on October 31, 2007, 01:52:07 PM
I have a bit of an update on some of the WLC players I heard could provide some good things this year.  Although they have no recruits, they do have some guys that were freshmen last year that could get some minutes this year.  Their reserve team played very well, just have to see if they can compete at the college varsity level which is much faster and the players are much stronger than what they saw last year.  They lost one of their best freshmen from last year in Luke Rundel, as he transferred to Madison for school reasons. Here are a few guys that I think could be decent this year.

Jeremy Burmeister-athletic guard, played football last year, which slowed his progress a bit last year, but didn't this year so he is definitely in the flow of things. Probably will see some quality time at point guard.

Ben Ziesemer- Great shooter, could become one of the best shooters in the conference within the next few years, as long as he gets some screens to get open because won't normally create off the dribble.

One other guy that could see some time is senior Chris Glasel.  Was a baseball all-american last year, and now might get a chance to make a difference on the bball court.  Works hard, good defender, and also a solid shooter. didn't play much last year due to the depth at the guard position but that could change this year.

Other than that not sure, I believe Dominican has some good recruits, MSOE does too as discussed in previous posts.  Also, I saw Concordia WI play in a summer league and they have a couple of new guys who are very athletic, just have to see if they can adapt to a college system.

That's it for now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FrSamuel on November 01, 2007, 02:18:29 PM
If all of the talk is true about MSOE's recruiting class and WLC's internal addition, it sounds as if the top seven teams in the NAC should be pretty strong.  So maybe AU and Edgewood at the top with teams 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 coming down to Benedictine, Dominican, Lakeland, MSOE and WLC (in no particular order other than alpha).

There was a lot of talk of how well Dominican's guys played in the summer leagues this year.  Any insight as to how this has translated into their preparation for the upcoming season?

MSOE sounds to be improved from last year with a lot of depth in the front court, which could be a factor in a conference with a lot of talented front court players (Welton, Haiduc, Averkamp, Murphy, etc.).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2007, 02:10:53 AM
Quote from: FrSamuel on November 01, 2007, 02:18:29 PMThere was a lot of talk of how well Dominican's guys played in the summer leagues this year.  Any insight as to how this has translated into their preparation for the upcoming season?

Dominican lost only one game in their division in the very-tough Deerfield summer league this year, tying North Park for the league title. Among Dominican's victims was Elmhurst, which finished second in the CCIW last season and comes into this season picked second in the CCIW coaches preseason poll and ranked 18th in the d3hoops.com national preseason poll. Most of the good D3 teams from Illinois and Wisconsin (WIAC teams excepted) participate in the Deerfield league, and there's a fair number of D2 players sprinkled among various teams as well (Lewis fielded a team, f'rinstance). It's definitely the best summer league in the region as far as I know among leagues that are frequented by D3 teams.

I'm getting my first look at Dominican tomorrow as the Stars host a scrimmage against North Park. I'll also get a chance to see Benedictine next week as Keith Bunkenburg's crew visits North Park for NPU's second scrimmage. It's hard to speculate based upon limited evidence, but I think that any of you NAthCon types who don't have Dominican in your preseason top three are shortchanging the Stars.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on November 02, 2007, 11:36:49 PM
Aurora lost at Northern Illinois 87-70 this evening in the exhibition game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on November 03, 2007, 12:27:56 AM
First half Aurora had up to a 4 point lead, I thought they could pull it off. There were two really awesome dunks by L.W. 2nd half different story, I don't know how to say this without sounding hard on AU but guys you had them and let it slip away. After watching you guys last year don't know what to say. I posted my picks for conference and All-Conference but left off ROY after tonight  Skyler Ormsbee looks like a good canidate.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on November 03, 2007, 07:58:27 PM
WLC had their first scrimmage of the year today against UW-Oshkosh.  Would've attended, but was out of town for the weekend.  When I get some details I'll let everyone know how that went.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 04, 2007, 04:07:59 AM
Quote from: AndOne on July 06, 2007, 12:29:36 AM
A note on DOMINICAN from a regular poster in the CCIW room:

Saw Dominican play in the Deerfield summer league tonight. Great athleticism, speed, and especially jumping ability. They have several guys who can really sky. Additionally,  they appear to be very good shooters. I don't know how well they shot last year, but I bet they improve their FG% this season, no matter what they shot last year. They must have hit 75 % of their shots in the 1st half tonight. Fell off some in the 2nd half, but still impressive overall. Many of their shots fell due to great ball movement. They often passed up a good shot for a better shot. They wound up losing to North central by one on a last second shot. The loss was due mostly to getting away from the ball movement and softer defense in the 2nd half. Also, North Central probably doubled its FG% in the 2nd half.

As far as NAC conference play this year-----if your team doesn't get back on defense, or can't rebound, you are gonna be in trouble. This is a team that will run fast, jump high, and pass well. If they continue to hit their shots, and tighten up their defense, particularly on the perimeter, they could very well be in the hunt for the conference championship.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2007, 02:10:53 AM
Quote from: FrSamuel on November 01, 2007, 02:18:29 PMThere was a lot of talk of how well Dominican's guys played in the summer leagues this year.  Any insight as to how this has translated into their preparation for the upcoming season?

Dominican lost only one game in their division in the very-tough Deerfield summer league this year, tying North Park for the league title. Among Dominican's victims was Elmhurst, which finished second in the CCIW last season and comes into this season picked second in the CCIW coaches preseason poll and ranked 18th in the d3hoops.com national preseason poll. Most of the good D3 teams from Illinois and Wisconsin (WIAC teams excepted) participate in the Deerfield league, and there's a fair number of D2 players sprinkled among various teams as well (Lewis fielded a team, f'rinstance). It's definitely the best summer league in the region as far as I know among leagues that are frequented by D3 teams.

I'm getting my first look at Dominican tomorrow as the Stars host a scrimmage against North Park. I'll also get a chance to see Benedictine next week as Keith Bunkenburg's crew visits North Park for NPU's second scrimmage. It's hard to speculate based upon limited evidence, but I think that any of you NAthCon types who don't have Dominican in your preseason top three are shortchanging the Stars.

Aurora seems to be the odds on favorite to win the league title this season, However, based on seeing the Aurora vs Northern Illinois scrimmage at NIU Fri night, I'd say that if Dominican can play tight perimeter defense on Trudo and Magee, they have a very good chance to claim the championship. Welton is probably going to get his on most nights. However, a key to beating Aurora is to play tight in your face perimeter defense and contest the boatload of threes that will be launched by Trudo, Magee, and also Lambert.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 04, 2007, 06:04:52 PM
Keep in mind that AU played without a starting post player (Mike Leonard, out till 2nd semester) and another big transfer (6-7 KeJuan McGraw) who is playing football now..and the fact that the transfer PG Starwood had a bad shooting night..AU will be more than just a 3 point shooting team, they'll have a bit of balance and still play hawking aggressive defense....I pick Edgewood above Dominican in the battle for #2, as Dominican tries to play AU's game and can't do it agains them..Edgewood plays their own style which was able to be successsfull 1 out of 3 times last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2007, 01:57:09 AM
Why is Mike Leonard out until second semester?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on November 05, 2007, 02:40:27 PM
I saw the box score for the edgewood-wisconsin game. looks like demarco and averkamp did a good job of getting some shots.  didn't shoot very well, but still takes talent to get that many shots against that good of competition.  I also saw that averkamp played 30 minutes. that means he's probably in pretty good shape this year, which has been a bit of a concern throughout his career. saw a pic from the game on their website and it looks like he has slimmed down a bit.

Also i said i would have some info on the wlc oshkosh scrimmage. apparently they played 6 sessions, not sure how long each one was.  wlc was close in every one, losing one on a last second shot.  one of my sources told me they were a bit slow in their rotation on defense which costed them, but that will come as the year progresses. I also heard that marcus zondag looked very good in the scrimmage.  He should make a huge impact for the warriors this year.

again with both of these posts, i was not present at either of them so my opinion is based only on what i have heard.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 08, 2007, 09:03:19 PM
2007-08 Men's Basketball Coaches' Preseason Poll

1. Aurora University (10), 141
2. Edgewood College (2), 130
3. Dominican University, 115
4. MSOE, 95
5. Lakeland College, 87
    Wisconsin Lutheran College, 87
7. Benedictine University, 78
8. Marian College, 71
9. Concordia University Wisconsin, 57
10. Concordia University Chicago, 38
11. Rockford College, 24
12. Maranatha Baptist Bible College, 13
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on November 10, 2007, 07:24:26 AM
I had the chance to watch Rockford play North Central last night, and for the Regents it could be a long season. They lack height to start with but they don't quit. It seems their rising star is a sophomore from Stillman Valley #25 Davis. He runs the floor well and is a good all around player. #'s 10,21,14 need to learn about team work and defense, not that they are bad players but need more time together to build chemistry or trust. You could see frustration at times and it affected their play with turnovers like traveling :(, need to play smarter.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on November 12, 2007, 11:42:23 AM
I had a chance to see Rockford play as well.  It looks as if they need more time to gel together.  This is a team returning 1 starter so they may start slow, but should get better later on.  They obviously are not at the point they were a few years ago.  They will always be a scrappy team though. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on November 16, 2007, 03:11:55 AM
Quote from: cardinalfanrochelle on November 10, 2007, 07:24:26 AM
I had the chance to watch Rockford play North Central last night, and for the Regents it could be a long season. They lack height to start with but they don't quit. It seems their rising star is a sophomore from Stillman Valley #25 Davis. He runs the floor well and is a good all around player. #'s 10,21,14 need to learn about team work and defense, not that they are bad players but need more time together to build chemistry or trust. You could see frustration at times and it affected their play with turnovers like traveling :(, need to play smarter.
Quote from: diego on November 12, 2007, 11:42:23 AM
I had a chance to see Rockford play as well.  It looks as if they need more time to gel together.  This is a team returning 1 starter so they may start slow, but should get better later on.  They obviously are not at the point they were a few years ago.  They will always be a scrappy team though. 
Did Rockford appear to be better than they were a year ago?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on November 16, 2007, 10:46:14 AM
cardinalpride,
                       I only saw 2 games last year and they were against Lakeland the first was @ Rockford  score was Lakeland108 - Rockford 64 and the coach seemed to have his his face in his hands alot and they were physical then got dirty, then second game it was a little better Lakeland 90- Rockford 57. What I saw last week against North Central seemed like a whole different team ::) they had 1 return player from last year. Really they played better than last year but they need a little work you could tell that from the Rockford bench :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on November 16, 2007, 05:27:26 PM
I dont think Rockford will be any better in the first half of the season but I think the second half they might compete with teams.  It definitely is a rebuilding period going on at Rockford College.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 16, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
MSOE by 5 over North Park. Post more later.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on November 16, 2007, 09:33:45 PM
how good is north park this year               AU just starting ,this game online
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 17, 2007, 03:17:21 AM
I dont know how good North Park is suppose to be this year but #25 on North Park is a heck of a player. They seem to have a nice mix of shooters and guys who can drive; though there wasnt much post-up offense.

It looked like it was going to be long night to start the game as MSOE missed some early lay-ups and North Park hit some wide open jumpers for a early 8-0 lead. MSOE was able to respond quickly and not let it get away. Most of the first half North Park held a slight lead but MSOE never let them pull away. MSOE was having a hard time getting through screens and was giving North Park open jumpers and they seemed content taking them. MSOE played to North Parks pace early as NP had 24 points in the first ten minutes and pressed the Raiders throughout the game. MSOE scored on its last couple possessions to cut the defecit to 3 going into the break. MSOE came out strong to start the second half and drew I believe the first seven fouls of the first half. They tightened up the defense on the perimeter. MSOE had alot of momentum and was up 4 or 6 and looked like it was going to pull away but never could. NP adjusted to the improved perimeter defense from MSOE and attempted to attack the hoop more and drew 8 straight fouls (I believe) on MSOE and jumped back ahead by one. However, with under 4 minutes to play MSOE again tightened up the defense and forced some North Park turnovers. Andy Voight hit some bit free throw line extend jumpers down the strech. Despite missing some bonus free throws, MSOE held on for the win. Meier is the real deal. He must have created 5 or 6 steals. He got switched over to #25 in the second half and did a nice job containing him. Trainor is a borderline all-NAC player in my opinion. I think some knee injuries slowed him the last couple of seasons but he looked real quick driving to the rim tonight. Scott Murphy had a nice game especially for the up and down pace of the game. MSOE missed alot of lay ups that will have to fall tomorrow night though. The refs seemed more willing to call the fouls on the drives then the physical play underneath which didnt help MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2007, 11:32:52 AM
Congrats to MSOE for the win. Honestly, NPU fans were not expecting this loss at all. As I said in CCIW Chat, I figured that the Raiders would give the Vikings a good game, but I did not expect it to be a nail-biter at the end, much less an NPU loss. NPU was fairly dominant in its scrimmage against Dominican, and very dominant in its scrimmage against Benedictine, and I did not figure that MSOE would be any tougher than the Stars.

NPU was starting a freshman point guard last night, and it appears as though he had a very uneven game. I expect Bruce Durham to rapidly improve as the non-conference stretch of the season goes on. BTW, #25 for NPU is sophomore Nick Williams. He's going to be a great one.

Congrats again to MSOE for the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2007, 02:42:55 PM
Very disappointing loss by NathCon's top team, Aurora, losing to Wartburg.  I have no idea how good they are supposed to be this year, but they didn't get any votes in the preseason poll and were just 5-11 in a not-very-good IIAC league.  Anyone make it down to Waverly, IA?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on November 18, 2007, 01:47:45 AM
welton was flat in the first half and was not loose .Buy time he got his grove the game was over, the good thing is he had about 6 blocked shots. AU needs to win even if welton has a bad game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on November 18, 2007, 03:29:45 AM
Some info on former Lakeland player Matt Rogers now at North Central : Matt helped NCC win Hoilday Inn Tournament by scoring 54 pts and was named tournament MVP.

Congrats to Kris Saiberlich on his 1,000 point ;D ;D good luck in the season ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2007, 10:59:03 AM
11/16-17 NAthCon Men's Scores:

11-16:  Marian 85, Cornell, IA 64
             Maryville, MO 78, Edgewood 74
            WLC 72, Coe 63 (caught the last 5 minutes and it was tighter than that 'til the Warriors pulled away late.)
             Benedictine 79, Wittenberg 74
             St. Norbert 71, Concordia-Chicago 54
             Lawrence 87, Dominican 72

11-17:  Marian 73, Coe 69
             Edgewood 72, Beloit 56
            Lawrence 72, Concordia-Chicago 68
            UW-Whitewater 87, MSOE 56
            WLC 88, Cornell, IA 80. (Another close call for the Warriors at home.)
            Ashford 75, Rockford 64.
            Aurora 64, UW-Eau Claire 55
            Dominican 58, St. Norbert 52 OT
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2007, 11:03:07 AM
You forgot about Lakeland's loss to La Crosse.  Here is part of my post from the WIAC board.

Speaking of Falcons, Lakeland's headlines say they lost a heartbreaker to Falcons!  Ummm, Eagles, Lakeland SID, Eagles, from La Crosse.  ;D

Game story here (http://www.lakeland.edu/Athletics/MuskieNews.asp?article=3423).  Boxscore here (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/stats07/1117lcul.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2007, 11:57:41 AM
Sometimes I can't get 'em all! :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 19, 2007, 04:00:48 AM
Has anyone over here heard anything about an injury to one of Aurora's players?
Perhaps Magee?
Trying to confirm a rumor that some of us who regularly post in the CCIW room heard.
Thanks for any info anyone can provide.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on November 19, 2007, 10:47:15 AM
I think he is out with a knee injury maybe for the year big blow to AU
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on November 19, 2007, 06:12:29 PM
I was unable to make it to any of the games over the weekend as I was out of town, and will not be able to make it next weekend either, however, I did catch the end of the WLC-Coe game on the radio friday night. sounds like it was pretty close, but they made some big plays when the needed them to pull away.  I saw that they also beat Cornell on Saturday.  word is that kyle plath, marcus zondag, and danny behm did the majority of the scoring for the warriors over the weekend.  good to see they can win without lindberg doing a lot of scoring, but i think in the long run they'll need him to get going if they want to keep winning.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2007, 02:35:40 AM
Northwestern 95
Benedictine 63
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 22, 2007, 10:55:46 AM
11/19-21/07 Men's NAthCon Scores:

11/19:  Emmaus 78, Maranatha 74
            Trinity International 100, Lakeland 91, OT

11/20:  MSOE 70, Beloit 50.
             North Central, IL 78, Aurora 70
             
             In-Conference:  Concordia-Chicago 76, Concordia-WI 74

11/21:  Lake Forest 72, Edgewood 70 (OT)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2007, 12:03:41 AM
Any Lakeland fans out there make either the La Crosse game or the Trinity International game?  I know that Lakeland was down big to La Crosse and they came back only to lose at the buzzer on a layup.  I know La Crosse lost their best player (Werner) to graduation, but they still have a solid team with the likes of Brandon Brown, Kegler, Fehrenbach and transfer Mason, so I thought that was a good showing for the Muskies.  Then, I see they lost in overtime to Trinity International, who came into the game 0-5!  So, what's to watch for from the Muskies as they come to Stevens Point this weekend?  Are they going to get smoked like they did last year or upset the Dawgs like they did two years ago in the cornfields?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2007, 12:58:50 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 23, 2007, 12:03:41 AMThen, I see they lost in overtime to Trinity International, who came into the game 0-5!

TIU was actually 1-5 going into that Lakeland game, having beaten Martin Luther in the consolation game of the Bethel (MN) tourney in their previous game. The Trojans are now 2-6 after a loss to Indiana Wesleyan on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on November 23, 2007, 10:51:30 AM


  Smoked I'm afraid :'( Muskies don't have a big gun this year and they don't play D like in the Grzesk days, Kris will have to hit the 3's, Danny needs to have a double - double, Pete will need  Rogers like numbers,Aaron will need to play like J.James at point and Sean needs to play like Danny and put his numbers on the board . Coach Brumett's day is right around the corner till then Go Muskies
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2007, 11:28:56 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2007, 12:58:50 AM
TIU was actually 1-5 going into that Lakeland game, having beaten Martin Luther in the consolation game of the Bethel (MN) tourney in their previous game. The Trojans are now 2-6 after a loss to Indiana Wesleyan on Tuesday night.

The boxscore on Lakeland's website had them at 1-5, so I figured that that was their record after their win against the Muskies.  Of course, I failed to recognize the fact Lakeland's record in the same boxscore was 0-1, which should've given me the hint that it was their record before their loss to TIU since they had already lost to La Crosse!  Duh.  Of course, TIU record improving from 0-5 to 2-6 doesn't change my opinion of Lakeland's loss to them much! lol.

Quote from: mifflin on November 23, 2007, 10:51:30 AM
Smoked I'm afraid :'( Muskies don't have a big gun this year and they don't play D like in the Grzesk days, Kris will have to hit the 3's, Danny needs to have a double - double, Pete will need  Rogers like numbers,Aaron will need to play like J.James at point and Sean needs to play like Danny and put his numbers on the board . Coach Brumett's day is right around the corner till then Go Muskies

Oh, is that all that needs to happen for things to go well for the Muskies? lol...in that case, hand them the NathCon trophy!

I see Lakeland with a lot height, which is always a problem for Stevens Point.  Ehnert is 6'5", but a robust 215, while there is also Cobb (6'5", 230), Walker (6'7" 220), Jay Freeking (6'9"), and McKown (6'7"), though the latter two are freshman.  We also sometimes have problems with quick guards, so not sure if Lakeland has any of those.  Looking forward to tomorrow's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 23, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
2007-2008
vs. IIAC 4-1   .800
vs. WIAC 1-2   .333
vs. CCIW 1-2   .333
vs. SLIAC 0-1   .000
vs. MWC 3-5   .375
Total of those 5 (9-11) .450
vs. Big Ten 0-1
vs. Other 1-3
Overall (10-15) .400
2006-2007 (including MSOE and AU's NCAA game)
vs. IIAC 4-5   .444
vs. WIAC 0-8   .000
vs. CCIW 2-6   .250
vs. SLIAC 5-3   .625
vs. MWC 3-7   .300
Total of those 5 (14-29) .326
vs. Other 22-21
Overall (36-50) .419

Alittle too early to draw any conclusions.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2007, 12:06:32 PM
Very nice work, from DT. If I gave karma points, you'd get one! lol  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on November 23, 2007, 04:16:20 PM
Old School,
                 I don't know if is a height issue with the Pointers, when Lakeland beat the Pointers Danny was the tallest at 6'5, the pressure "D' Grzesk played made the difference and then he changed the offense a little and he had the PG bring up the ball quicker to throw off the press. James had more control and protected the ball better than Regal. Aaron has different qualities at PG than James one is bringing the ball up on an all out run, that's fun to watch as well as the new system Brumett has in place.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 24, 2007, 07:07:09 PM
MSOE beats LFC by 11. MSOE jumped out to a 10-7 lead in the first half, before LFC went on a 21-2 run. LFC was up by as much as 34-17 in the first half until the Raiders cut into the deficit. MSOE cut it to 3 at the half with back to back 3 pointers going into break 39-36. MSOE inched ahead in the second half and pulled away in the closing minutes. Ugly win; Several terrible passes, air balled free throws, and gave up too many open looks from the outside especially in the first half. 10 days until the conference opener so plenty of time to work on protecting the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 24, 2007, 07:08:53 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 23, 2007, 12:06:32 PM
Very nice work, from DT. If I gave karma points, you'd get one! lol  ;D

Yeah ppg may have been more descriptive in showing any trends but my calculator is out of batteries and Im not getting new ones until next trimester ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 24, 2007, 09:05:09 PM
MSOE beats Lake Forest by 11.
Lake Forest beats Edgewood in OT.

Any conclusions to be drawn from that common opponent?  I've been thinking of this as a two-horse race with Aurora and Edgewood, but with EC's slow start and MSOE fast start maybe it's a three-horse race.

P.S. Pointers putting a hurting on the Muskies. 43-16 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on November 25, 2007, 01:25:27 AM

  W-SP may have put a hurt on, but guess what the Muskies lost by last year  ??? 38 pts. But the year before Muskies 63 W-SP 58, plus side of this they held the Pointers to 76 pts. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 25, 2007, 10:24:31 AM
Other 11/23-24/ Men's NAthCon Finals:

11-23:  WLC 108, Bethany Lutheran 102. (Whew, Bethany Lutheran hoisted up 32 3-pt FG attempts and had 3 players foul out).
             Carroll 79, Concordia-WI 70.
             Anderson, IN 118, Rockford 80.

11-24:  Carroll 73, WLC 71. (This time it was the Warriors' turn to be in foul trouble. They had a last ditch chance to win it, but Lindberg's 3-point attempt was off the mark.)
             North Central, IL 72, Benedictine 69.
             Concordia-WI 88, Bethany Lutheran 78.
             IL Wesleyan 69, Dominican 67.
             Goshen 78, Rockford 61.
             

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on November 25, 2007, 02:03:36 PM

  I saw Chris DeMarco was hurt in Edgwood's first game, any update on his injury ??? I hope it's not serious he's a good player and an important part of the Eagles sucess.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2007, 12:24:52 AM
Maybe that's why they are off to a slow start.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 26, 2007, 01:47:59 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on November 25, 2007, 10:24:31 AM
Other 11/23-24/ Men's NAthCon Finals:

11-23:  WLC 108, Bethany Lutheran 102. (Whew, Bethany Lutheran hoisted up 32 3-pt FG attempts and had 3 players foul out).
             Carroll 79, Concordia-WI 70.
             Anderson, IN 118, Rockford 80.

11-24:  Carroll 73, WLC 71. (This time it was the Warriors' turn to be in foul trouble. They had a last ditch chance to win it, but Lindberg's 3-point attempt was off the mark.)
             North Central, IL 72, Benedictine 69.
             Concordia-WI 88, Bethany Lutheran 78.
             IL Wesleyan 69, Dominican 67.
             Goshen 78, Rockford 61.
             

Minor correction, WLCALUM. Just in case someone is in a pool or something where point spread matters---otherwise no big deal.   :)

North Central defeated Benedictine 77-69 rather than 72-69.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on November 28, 2007, 12:23:29 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 24, 2007, 09:05:09 PM
MSOE beats Lake Forest by 11.
Lake Forest beats Edgewood in OT.

Any conclusions to be drawn from that common opponent?  I've been thinking of this as a two-horse race with Aurora and Edgewood, but with EC's slow start and MSOE fast start maybe it's a three-horse race.

P.S. Pointers putting a hurting on the Muskies. 43-16 at the half.

Im not sure any conclusions can be drawn, especially since Edgewood blew a 7 point lead with under 2 minutes to play. Between WLC and Dominican some tough close losses for NAC teams against good competition. Anyway in case anyone cares an MSOE staff member takes pictures of select home games. Here is the Lake Forest game: http://edurant.com/pix/20071124msoeMensBasketball/

archeive of older photos: http://edurant.com/pix/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 29, 2007, 04:50:33 AM
11/28/07 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Lakeland 70, Edgewood 57 (Edgewood press release indicates WI Eagle squad went into a cold-shooting spell late in the game. DeMarco did play).

Marian 70, Concordia-Chicago 66 (Play-by-play account indicates the Sabers went on an 11-4 run late to seal this one)

Non-conference:

Aurora 80, Millikin 74 OT
Dominican 57, Eureka 49
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2007, 03:53:07 PM
What the heck is wrong with Edgewood?  They were picked #2 in the NathCon and they seem to be struggling...they just got beat by Lakeland, who is predicted to finish in the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LU_nut on November 29, 2007, 05:33:33 PM
OS

Best player on two man team is hurt(DeMarco).  That is the reason.  I do not know the specifics.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 29, 2007, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 29, 2007, 03:53:07 PM
What the heck is wrong with Edgewood?  They were picked #2 in the NathCon and they seem to be struggling...they just got beat by Lakeland, who is predicted to finish in the middle of the pack.

Edgewood was missing DeMarco previously, but he played against Lakeland and scored 23.  I saw them play in Platteville and I think that even though DeMarco and Averkamp are probably considered the leaders on this team, they still are lacking a true floor leader.  Kyle Scott was that for them last year, and I personally think (unless somebody can change my opinion) even if it isn't a point guard which is usually the case, Averkamp and DeMarco don't have what it takes to be the floor leader.  Every team, including the ones I've played on has a few guys that can lead, but there has to be the one guy of the five on the floor that can lead everyone and everything.  He is that voice of reason when things are going bad, and the critic when things are going good.  Somebody has got to be the one that gets everyone focused on what they need to be doing on the floor, on the fly, and until that happens...it could be a tough year.

I wish nothing but the best for the Eagles now that Coach Adrian is the man at Edgewood.  I wish them well and I hope he can find that leader, because he deserves it and deserves success.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 01, 2007, 02:16:13 PM
This just in...the WLC at Rockford has been postponed due to inclement weather.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 02, 2007, 10:03:57 AM
12/1 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 64, Dominican 60 (Stars: 23 turnovers to Aurora's 13--per Dominican box score.)

Lakeland 96, Concordia-WI 81. (Lakeland outshot and out-rebounded CUW-per CUW press release).

Benedictine 78, Concordia-Chicago 72. (Bendictine outshot the Cougars from the floor and had 8 more shots from the charity stripe--Source is CUC box score).

Edgewood at Marian ppd.

Non-conference:

Maranatha 77, Moody Bible 57.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 03, 2007, 04:35:09 PM
I am looking forward to watching the wlc aurora game tomorrow night at the rex.  Based on the way things have gone so far, it looks like wlc has a good chance to upset aurora.  As long as they can contain welton and play unselfish offense I think they'll have a pretty good shot at coming out of there with the W. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2007, 06:24:12 PM
I was down there last year when WLC upset Aurora.  I've seen them play twice (Aurora) and they didn't impress me either time.  If I get ambitious, maybe I'll make my way down there.

via WLC's website:

Wisconsin Lutheran (1-3) begins Northern Athletics Conference play Tuesday when it hosts league preseason favorite Aurora University at 7 p.m. in the Recreation Complex.

Wow, way to sandbag your team.  ::)

Anyone have any comments on the MSOE v Edgewood matchup this weekend?  Everyone is picking MSOE in the National Pick Em league!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 03, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
Upcoming conference games, weekend games to come later.

Tue. Dec. 4
*Aurora @ WLC...well, Aurora just knocked off Dominican, but I was there last year when WLC upset a better Aurora team.
*Benedictine @ MSOE...another tough one to decide.  Benedictine has topped traditional power Wittenberg (not sure if they are any good this year, played Wheaton and also North Central.  MSOE beat North Park outside of conference.
*CUC @ Dominican...losing to Lawrence by only 4 is something positive for CUC, but Dominican has home court (though they lost to Lawrence by 15.
*CUW @ Rockford...ummm.
*Edgewood @ Maranatha...DeMarco is back.
*Lakeland @ Marian...look for the Muskies to win in Fondy.

Thu. Dec. 6
*Maranatha @ CUW...Concordia bounces back after loss to Lakeland.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2007, 12:32:21 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 03, 2007, 10:17:46 PM.
*Benedictine @ MSOE...another tough one to decide.  Benedictine has topped traditional power Wittenberg (not sure if they are any good this year,

Wittenberg is waaay down this year as compared to their usual national-power level, Tom.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 04, 2007, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on December 03, 2007, 06:24:12 PM
I was down there last year when WLC upset Aurora.  I've seen them play twice (Aurora) and they didn't impress me either time.  If I get ambitious, maybe I'll make my way down there.

via WLC's website:

Wisconsin Lutheran (1-3) begins Northern Athletics Conference play Tuesday when it hosts league preseason favorite Aurora University at 7 p.m. in the Recreation Complex.

Wow, way to sandbag your team.  ::)

Anyone have any comments on the MSOE v Edgewood matchup this weekend?  Everyone is picking MSOE in the National Pick Em league!

OS,
DONT GO!! You are offically bad luck...I think you were at 2 of AU's 3 losses last year!! Plus there is a big snow storm planned..or monsoon..or tornado..so I beg of you, please dont go!!! lol
AU is going to struggle for a few more games, till they get Mike Leonard back..losing Dusy hurts though, he is a deadeye shooter..I was joking with him the other day, maybe he'll get AU to play him and leave him on the offensive end only..after he hits a few, they'll play 4 on 4!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 04, 2007, 10:27:59 PM
just got back from trying to keep my car on the road through all the snow on the way back from the rex.  great game tonight. not many fans on hand, probably because of the weather. final score was Aurora 93 WLC 90.  Larry Welton did not play at all in the first half, not sure why, but Aurora still looked pretty good without him, Lance Robinson played great as did Chad Trudo, and a few other guys had good games too.  Welton ended up with 10 points playing only in the second half.  For the warriors Marcus Zondag had a very impressive game scoring 27.  Sorum, Lindberg, Plath, and Behm were also in double figures for the game.  Warriors had a chance to win but sorum was called for a push on a put back that would have put the warriors up 1 with under 10 seconds to go. Aurora hit both free throws and wlc didn't get a shot after that.  I think both teams looked pretty good, they played hard, and it was good to see both teams play very unselfish basketball. I think both of these teams will end up near the top of the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: titansrus on December 05, 2007, 01:18:37 AM
Hey Mars, judging from what I've read on here, you've seen the most WLC games this season. Just wondering what your thoughts are on Kyle Plath. It seems like he's made a big jump from soph to junior year.  Looking at the beginning of the season, he was on fire w/consecutive 27 point games. I know he's always been known as a good shooter, but what else does he bring to the table?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on December 05, 2007, 11:05:16 AM
Edgewood vs Maranatha

The game at Jerusalem was much closer than most a you would have thought. The Saders were only down five with under three to go in the game. Some sound free throw shooting by Edgewood helped them win by 11.

Maranatha had no answer for DeMarco (28 points, 14 rebounds). He almost outrebounded MBBC on his own.

Great game by Maranatha's Burch (24 points) and Knepp (28 points). Those two will led the Saders to a few surprise victories in the conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 05, 2007, 02:49:56 PM
MSOE falls by 3 to Benedictine.
MSOE came out flat and fell down 7-0. They came back and evened it up at 18 before allowing Benedictine to go on a 12-0 run before half and eventually went into the break trailing 33-23. MSOE came out strong again to start the second half and pulled ahead by I believe 10 mid way through the second half. Some missed shots, and a couple of big 3s from the Eagles and Benedictine quickly closed the gap. Costly turnovers down the strech and MSOE fell to 0-1 in conference in front of the homecoming crowd. Despite open looks from beyond the arc, the team probably shot under 25% from 3. MSOE tried to run too much and it seemed to led too many turnovers. MSOE's offense goes cold too often; 20-2 runs allowed vs. Whitewater and Lake Forest. 12-0 run last night. Not a good way to start the conference season being upset on the home floor. Not a whole lot positive to say. Win the next three and MSOE is back in good shape heading into the break I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2007, 04:23:40 PM
KEITH45,

Guess who didn't show up at the game and guess who won? lol  ;D :D :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 05, 2007, 07:05:21 PM
titansrus,

I think plath has come a long way since his last year.  As long as i've seen him play he's been a good shooter and is very athletic.  In the game I saw last night he made much better decisions than at times last year.  Every shot he took last night was a good one, so if he keeps that up he'll probably shoot a very good percentage for the year.  It also hurt last year because he didn't get as many minutes, but after wlc lost a few guys from last year he's seeing a lot more minutes. With teams having to concentrate so much on guys like Zondag and Lindberg now, it will only help him to score more too, because he'll be open as a result of double teams on those guys, and if he's left open he usually doesn't miss. I think he'll have a good year, as will WLC.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 05, 2007, 07:06:53 PM
The Lone Sader,

It looks like natha should have a decent year and get a few wins after playing the way they did against edgewood.  I'm just wondering if you know why josh burch did not play last year.  He was very good in his years before that, and it's good to see he's back, just wondering what the deal was with that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 07, 2007, 12:31:46 PM
Josh Burch was expelled from the college just prior to the basketball season for a major violation of the school code of conduct.

He is back in school and doing well on and off the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 08, 2007, 10:45:02 PM
WLC beats Dominican 89-73.  Dominican led 3-0 to start the game and Danny Behm scored 10 straight points to start the game and WLC never looked back.  Domincan went on the run in the second half to pull the lead back down to eight, but wlc stayed strong and ran away with it.  They looked very good offensively, moving the ball well and shot 52 percent from 3 for the game. If they continue to play like this I think they'll be very tough to beat.  Marcus Zondag led the team in scoring with 21, and Plath, Behm, and Lindberg were also in double figures for the warriors.  I don't think dominican looked inside to Haiduc enough, especially when at times they had mismatches.  WLC has off now until they head up to Marian to play the Sabres.  This will be a good test as Marian is off to a 3-0 start.  I think I might make the trip up to this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2007, 10:31:07 AM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on December 04, 2007, 10:27:59 PM
just got back from trying to keep my car on the road through all the snow on the way back from the rex.  great game tonight. not many fans on hand, probably because of the weather. final score was Aurora 93 WLC 90.  Larry Welton did not play at all in the first half, not sure why, but Aurora still looked pretty good without him, Lance Robinson played great as did Chad Trudo, and a few other guys had good games too.  Welton ended up with 10 points playing only in the second half.  For the warriors Marcus Zondag had a very impressive game scoring 27.  Sorum, Lindberg, Plath, and Behm were also in double figures for the game.  Warriors had a chance to win but sorum was called for a push on a put back that would have put the warriors up 1 with under 10 seconds to go. Aurora hit both free throws and wlc didn't get a shot after that.  I think both teams looked pretty good, they played hard, and it was good to see both teams play very unselfish basketball. I think both of these teams will end up near the top of the standings.

Took in WLC's radio feed and WLC's announcer indicated that the reason Welton sat was because he apparently got T'd up the previous game and Aurora's coach sat him for discipline.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2007, 10:36:26 AM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on December 05, 2007, 07:05:21 PM
titansrus,

I think plath has come a long way since his last year.  As long as i've seen him play he's been a good shooter and is very athletic.  In the game I saw last night he made much better decisions than at times last year.  Every shot he took last night was a good one, so if he keeps that up he'll probably shoot a very good percentage for the year.  It also hurt last year because he didn't get as many minutes, but after wlc lost a few guys from last year he's seeing a lot more minutes. With teams having to concentrate so much on guys like Zondag and Lindberg now, it will only help him to score more too, because he'll be open as a result of double teams on those guys, and if he's left open he usually doesn't miss. I think he'll have a good year, as will WLC.



Last year Plath didn't get as much playing time because of the minutes Brian Hagel logged for WLC. With Hagel having graduated, Plath is able to pick up a good share of that slack, scoring and rebounding.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2007, 10:39:19 AM
Other 12/8 NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 85, Benedictine 81.
Marian 80, Concordia-WI 60.
Lakeland 82, Maranatha 70.
MSOE 76, Edgewood 63.
Concordia-Chicago 77, Rockford 44.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2007, 11:38:16 AM
12/10-11/07 Men's NAthCon Finals:

12/10:  MSOE 85, Maranatha 55. (MSOE went on a 3-pt shooting barrage and pressure defense in 2nd half to put this away per Maranatha press release).

12/11:  Lake Forest 60, Dominican 50. (Stars outshot from the floor--only 1-19 from beyond the arc for entire game-per Dominican box score.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 15, 2007, 08:33:37 PM
maranatha beats benedictine 70-67!!! ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Lone Sader on December 15, 2007, 11:37:51 PM
Maranatha win in the NAC

We have been waiting for this conference win for over three years!
;D ;D

I am in a state of shock right now. I thought that we would have to wait until the Rockford game to experience this.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on December 16, 2007, 01:25:14 AM
Lone Sader,
                   I think NAC has been around for 2 years now, is MBB that good or is Benedictine that bad. Good win for MBB congrats ! there will be more next year I mean" 08 "conference wins ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2007, 09:59:19 AM
Just looked at the box score from the MBBC/Ben game and by all indications the Crusaders outshot the IL Eagles squad from the floor for the entire game.

(Libero. . . libero. . . where are you?)

WLCALUM83 and all MBBC posters giving Crusader Coach Cronin the Gatorade soak:

"One, two, three, Heave!  (Splash!")  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2007, 10:04:52 AM
Other 12/15/07 NAthCon Men's Finals:

Edgewood 81, Dominican 75
Lakeland 62, Rockford 48

Aurora 70, MSOE 63. (Saw this one in person. MSOE had the lead for most of the first half, MSOE's Murphy got whacked either in one eye or just below one eye. He didn't even come out of the locker room for the second half. Aurora hit several threes after the break and lead by as much as 10 points late. Murphy's quickness on both ends of the floor was missed big time in the second half. Don't know how serious the injury is.) 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 16, 2007, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2007, 09:59:19 AM
Just looked at the box score from the MBBC/Ben game and by all indications the Crusaders outshot the IL Eagles squad from the floor for the entire game.

(Libero. . . libero. . . where are you?)

WLCALUM83 and all MBBC posters giving Crusader Coach Cronin the Gatorade soak:

"One, two, three, Heave!  (Splash!")  :) ;) :D

Just an observation from someone who took in the MBBC-BU game yesterday afternoon. Attention must first be focused on the BU starters who scored a grand total of 23 points! I don't know if these guys usually start for BU or not.

MBBC built up a nice 10 point lead in the first half on some good outside shooting and crappy perimeter defense by BU. Many of their points also were the result of several lazy BU passes that they easily picked off.

Midway through the 2nd half it was apparent the MBBC starters were getting gassed, and BU finally caught up and eventually went ahead by 4 or 5 pts. Then BU was hurt by the fact that they went to the outside shot instead of continuing to work inside where they had a height and bulk advantage. Problem was that BU's numbers 24 & 32 couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

It was also curious that the best BU players (in this game anyway), numbers 44 & 11, were not on the floor for much of the last several minutes of the contest.

It seemed like BU (especially # 5) almost expected to win, but MBBC played like they wanted it more.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2007, 05:11:48 PM
Thanks, AndOne:

That account is more proof (as well-travelled major league baseball manager Billy Martin once said) that sports isn't all statistics alone. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 17, 2007, 12:43:26 AM
I was able to attend the WLC @ Marian game tonight.  Marian came away with an 88-81 victory over the warriors.  At the beginning of the game wlc moved the ball very well and jumped out to a quick lead, but Marian came back and it was tied at 39 going into the half.  The warriors got up by as many as eight in the second half but could never put it away.  Marian hit some big shots down the stretch every time it looked like wlc would pull away.  Then in the last few minutes Marian's guard wayne franklin made some great plays penetrating to the hoop and had 3 key layups in the last few minutes.  Marian had six players in double figures, led by Jordan Van Ess with 19.  WLC was led by Danny Behm with 25.  Lindberg and Sorum were the only others in double figures for the warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 17, 2007, 01:55:34 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2007, 10:04:52 AM
Other 12/15/07 NAthCon Men's Finals:

Aurora 70, MSOE 63. (Saw this one in person. MSOE had the lead for most of the first half, MSOE's Murphy got whacked either in one eye or just below one eye. He didn't even come out of the locker room for the second half. Aurora hit several threes after the break and lead by as much as 10 points late. Murphy's quickness on both ends of the floor was missed big time in the second half. Don't know how serious the injury is.) 

It was a frustrating loss, no doubt. Murphy was very effective when in there. The opportunity was there for MSOE to take advantage (without Leonard in the post) to get a big W and right back in the conference race. Without Murphy in the second half, MSOE almost abandoned the post and shot too many threes which just werent falling. Aurora's 10-0 run when the game was tied at 54 (~7:30 to go), killed MSOE. Just looking at the box score of MSOE possessions during that run: (missed three pointer, turnover, missed three pointer, turnover, couple of missed free throws, missed three pointer) {sigh}, you have to believe with a healthy Murphy, the possessions would have been different.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 17, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
Here I am!

Cronin is getting this 'Sader program going in the right direction. I am happy for the win and hope more are on the way.

This was their first NAC win ever and their first conference win since the the days of Eddie "Cable Guy" Washetas!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: rusty shackleford on December 18, 2007, 12:01:30 PM
Quote from: from downtown on December 17, 2007, 01:55:34 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2007, 10:04:52 AM
Other 12/15/07 NAthCon Men's Finals:

Aurora 70, MSOE 63. (Saw this one in person. MSOE had the lead for most of the first half, MSOE's Murphy got whacked either in one eye or just below one eye. He didn't even come out of the locker room for the second half. Aurora hit several threes after the break and lead by as much as 10 points late. Murphy's quickness on both ends of the floor was missed big time in the second half. Don't know how serious the injury is.) 

It was a frustrating loss, no doubt. Murphy was very effective when in there. The opportunity was there for MSOE to take advantage (without Leonard in the post) to get a big W and right back in the conference race. Without Murphy in the second half, MSOE almost abandoned the post and shot too many threes which just werent falling. Aurora's 10-0 run when the game was tied at 54 (~7:30 to go), killed MSOE. Just looking at the box score of MSOE possessions during that run: (missed three pointer, turnover, missed three pointer, turnover, couple of missed free throws, missed three pointer) {sigh}, you have to believe with a healthy Murphy, the possessions would have been different.

So AU did not miss Starwood or Magee... IF, IF, IF.... with either of those two the possesions would be a lil different also.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 18, 2007, 03:57:22 PM
Dominican fans or any other NAC fans------

After watching Dominican all summer in the Deerfield league, I'm frankly surprised at their record to date. This summer I thought they looked like they could challenge for the conference championship. They beat some good teams and lost only one regular game on a last second 3 pointer. They seemed very athletic---able to run fast, jump high, and shoot straight.

Sooooo----my question is, whats missing? Is it the inability to mold their individual talent into a team style of play, poor defense, poor shooting, all of the above, some  of the above, or none of the above/something else?

Just curious. Thanks in advance to anyone that can offer an explanation.

 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 18, 2007, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on December 18, 2007, 12:01:30 PM
Quote from: from downtown on December 17, 2007, 01:55:34 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 16, 2007, 10:04:52 AM
Other 12/15/07 NAthCon Men's Finals:

Aurora 70, MSOE 63. (Saw this one in person. MSOE had the lead for most of the first half, MSOE's Murphy got whacked either in one eye or just below one eye. He didn't even come out of the locker room for the second half. Aurora hit several threes after the break and lead by as much as 10 points late. Murphy's quickness on both ends of the floor was missed big time in the second half. Don't know how serious the injury is.) 

It was a frustrating loss, no doubt. Murphy was very effective when in there. The opportunity was there for MSOE to take advantage (without Leonard in the post) to get a big W and right back in the conference race. Without Murphy in the second half, MSOE almost abandoned the post and shot too many threes which just werent falling. Aurora's 10-0 run when the game was tied at 54 (~7:30 to go), killed MSOE. Just looking at the box score of MSOE possessions during that run: (missed three pointer, turnover, missed three pointer, turnover, couple of missed free throws, missed three pointer) {sigh}, you have to believe with a healthy Murphy, the possessions would have been different.

So AU did not miss Starwood or Magee... IF, IF, IF.... with either of those two the possesions would be a lil different also.

No doubt, but MSOE is not going to get a  better opportunity to beat Aurora with Leanard still out (and those two) and at home. It was just frustrating to see MSOE abandon the post so easily where they might have had a slight advantage. And watching your offense struggle to create anything with the team's leading scorer 2 of the last 3 seasons out over a fluke eye injury. Credit Aurora, the zone in the post confused MSOE enough to knock them out of their comfort zone. And they made some big shots to pull away down the strech.

MSOE cruises to an easy win over the Gorlocks of Webster (SLIAC) today. MSOE led by double digits at half and extended it to 20 early in the second and played the bench the last ten minutes and ended up winning by 22.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 18, 2007, 10:07:15 PM
Also Murphy played today and played real well. The eye definitely wasnt bothering him tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2007, 12:32:55 PM
Other Men's NAthCon 12/16-18/07 Finals:

12/16:  Chicago 78, Concordia-Chicago 65  (Maroons jumped out to a 21-pt halftime lead, which the Cougars cut to 5 with less than 11 minutes left. Chicago hit a couple of threes to widen the lead and held on after that--per CUC press release).

12/18:  Lakeland 56, MacMurray 52. (Muskies hit their FT's late to seal this win--per Lakeland press release.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2007, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 18, 2007, 03:57:22 PM
Dominican fans or any other NAC fans------

After watching Dominican all summer in the Deerfield league, I'm frankly surprised at their record to date. This summer I thought they looked like they could challenge for the conference championship. They beat some good teams and lost only one regular game on a last second 3 pointer. They seemed very athletic---able to run fast, jump high, and shoot straight.

Sooooo----my question is, whats missing? Is it the inability to mold their individual talent into a team style of play, poor defense, poor shooting, all of the above, some  of the above, or none of the above/something else?

Just curious. Thanks in advance to anyone that can offer an explanation.

 



In 2 of the Stars' last 3 losses, Dominican's been out-rebounded. They've also had fewer FTA's than their opponents in several losses. Against Edgewood, the Stars went into a cold-shooting spell for approx. 3 minutes early in the second half and didn't recover. Against Lake Forest, the Stars had an off-day shooting. Just judging from the box scores this poster has checked, its' a matter of not hitting on most cylinders consistently.  (Correct me anywhere I'm wrong here.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on December 19, 2007, 01:28:43 PM
I had the opportunity to watch Dominican play once this year.  I would agree that they are very athletic.  If I could pick out one problem from the game I saw, I don't think they look inside to Haiduc enough.  He is arguably the best true post player in the conference, and is great at finishing around the basket.  At times Dominican's guards even think about going inside to him even when he had some mismatches.  If they start to look inside more I think it will open up everything from creating open 3 point opportunities to opening up lanes for their athletic guards to cut through. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on December 19, 2007, 08:45:22 PM
For those NATHCON fans interested, Aurora now has live stats available for all home contests at http://www.aurora.edu/athletics/bball-m/index.htm

At the half (12-19-07)
Aurora  35
Clarke  27
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 03:33:45 AM
Any Edgewood posters on this thread?  Puget Sound matches up against them in Dec. 28th in Santa Barbara CA.  Was interested in hearing any input about the team
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 20, 2007, 03:25:13 PM
Edgewood's top players are Charlie Averkamp, Chris DeMarco and Jon Ciche. Averkamp and DeMarco are known primarily for scoring and rebounding. Brian Donais is a good shooter from beyond the arc:

Edgewood's 07-08 stats so far:

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/sports/mbball/stats

Click on either "Game-by-game" or "Season" link.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 04:15:07 PM
Thanks for the info! What kind of style of play does Edgewood have?  Puget Sound is real run and gun fast tempo
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 20, 2007, 10:20:43 PM
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Murphy getting poked in the eye.

MSOE battles from 19 down in the second half to surprise Maryville (Mo.). MSOE led for by 5 early before Maryville came back to take a 4 point led into the break. MSOE came out flat and Maryville shot the lights out and received little resistance as they attacked the basket through the lane. MSOE dribbled into Maryvilles full court press traps and made too many turnovers. With the big lead Maryville tried slowing things down and MSOE took advantage. A couple of big stops down the strech and MSOE made there free throws to complete te come back.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 21, 2007, 07:27:53 AM
2 NAthCon Men's Non-Conference Scores:

St. Mary's (Maryland) 87, Benedictine 75.

Wooster 91, Benedictine 62.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 21, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 04:15:07 PM
Thanks for the info! What kind of style of play does Edgewood have?  Puget Sound is real run and gun fast tempo

Yep, that's what Edgewood does too. You should see Avercamp run the fastbreak. It's like Showtime only with a white guy.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 21, 2007, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: libero on December 21, 2007, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: LogShow on December 20, 2007, 04:15:07 PM
Thanks for the info! What kind of style of play does Edgewood have?  Puget Sound is real run and gun fast tempo

Yep, that's what Edgewood does too. You should see Avercamp run the fastbreak. It's like Showtime only with a white guy.  ;)

Sweet! That should be a fun game then, lots of points...hope I can listen to it!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on December 22, 2007, 09:03:43 AM
Is it still considered a fastbreak if everyone gets back before Charlie gets to the half court marks  :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D sorry Charlie ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 24, 2007, 07:35:08 PM
When Edgewood beat WLC last year in Madison, the final score was in the 90's, so unless Puget Sound runs like Grinnell (Iowa), this poster doesn't expect the Eagle squad to be totally surprised.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LogShow on December 27, 2007, 01:52:13 AM
No Puget Sound isn't like Grinnell, but they do get up and down the court.  They are pretty aggressive and pressure a lot on D.  Most teams don't try to run with them choosing to instead slow it down.  I don't really think that Puget Sound's hopes to "suprise" anyone...more to wear them out, because they have lots of depth.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 27, 2007, 09:15:56 AM
Log Show,

Libero was pulling your leg.  You'll understand when you see Averkamp who looks a little more like a linebacker than a basketball player.

Edgewood runs when the opportunity presents itself, but they are certainly not a "running" team.  They play the Swing offense (Head Coach Todd Adrian is a branch off the Bo Ryan coaching tree) which relies on half court movement, lots of screens and unselfish passing.  They rarely press full court, instead setting up a tough half court D.

It should be an interesting contrast in styles with Puget Sound.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on December 27, 2007, 02:49:03 PM
Sorry, sarcasm does not tranlate well on "posting up". I hope the game goes well for Edgewood. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on December 27, 2007, 06:51:29 PM
2007-2008 W-L PPG for-PPG against(not including D1 opponents)
vs. IIAC 5-1   73.3-66.8
vs. WIAC 1-4   56.8-72.8
vs. CCIW 2-4   68.7-72.3
vs. SLIAC 4-1 70-63.6
vs. MWC 4-8 66.9-68.1
Total of those 5 (16-18) 67.3-68.6
vs. Other 9-9 77.3-78.1
Overall (25-27) 70.8-71.9
2006-2007 W-L PPG for-PPG against(including MSOE and AU's NCAA game)
vs. IIAC 4-5   72.3-78.8
vs. WIAC 0-8   57-87.1
vs. CCIW 2-6   63.6-75.5
vs. SLIAC 5-3   70.1-67.4
vs. MWC 3-7   69.2-74.7
Total of those 5 (14-29) 66.4-75.6
vs. Other 22-21 72.0-68.5 (missing one of the games in ppg data not sure which)
Overall (36-50) 69.2-72.08

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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cawcdad on December 28, 2007, 11:18:03 AM
I am headed over to watch the UC Santa Cruz vs. Dominican game this evening. What can you tell me about the Stars.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 28, 2007, 11:48:50 AM
Re: Dominican

Very athletic team that most people thought would be doing better than they are.  They have an inside force in Haiduc, but probably don't take advantage of him as much as they should.

They can put on stunning streaks of scoring, putting up 10-12 points in quick succession, but they can also have frustrating droughts, and those are usually what have done them in this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2007, 01:50:17 PM
12-28-07 NAthCon Final:

WLC 86, Presentation 68.  :) (Warriors' Behm and Sorum had 24 and 23 points, respectively).

Aurora 78, Baldwin-Wallace 71.

Dominican 75, UC-Santa-Cruz 63 (Stars' Garcia had 23 pts, including 4-5 from 3 pt range. Dominican outshot UC-Santa Cruz from the floor and out-rebounded the CA squad, per box score off Stars' web site).

UW-Eau Claire 79, Marian 78  OT. (Blugolds outshot Marian from the floor and Marian only had one lead the entire game--per Marian press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2007, 02:18:17 PM
Quote from: from downtown on December 27, 2007, 06:51:29 PM
2007-2008 W-L PPG for-PPG against(not including D1 opponents)
vs. IIAC 5-1   73.3-66.8
vs. WIAC 1-4   56.8-72.8
vs. CCIW 2-4   68.7-72.3
vs. SLIAC 4-1 70-63.6
vs. MWC 4-8 66.9-68.1
Total of those 5 (16-18) 67.3-68.6
vs. Other 9-9 77.3-78.1
Overall (25-27) 70.8-71.9
2006-2007 W-L PPG for-PPG against(including MSOE and AU's NCAA game)
vs. IIAC 4-5   72.3-78.8
vs. WIAC 0-8   57-87.1
vs. CCIW 2-6   63.6-75.5
vs. SLIAC 5-3   70.1-67.4
vs. MWC 3-7   69.2-74.7
Total of those 5 (14-29) 66.4-75.6
vs. Other 22-21 72.0-68.5 (missing one of the games in ppg data not sure which)
Overall (36-50) 69.2-72.08

PPG For
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Using Firefox Mozilla as the browser, I copied the link and viewed each graph in another screen.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2007, 07:03:02 PM
12/29/07 NAthCon Final just in:

WLC 85, Simpson, IA 80.  :) ;) :D (Warriors' Kyle Plath had 31 pts. per Simpson box score.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2007, 10:23:18 AM
More 12/29/07 NAthCon Finals:

Franklin 74, Aurora 63

Cal State East Bay 73, Dominican 61 (Stars had an off-day shooting all around--4 of 20 from beyond the arc--Haiduc and Lettsome fouled out-per Dominican box score).

Cal Lutheran 61, Concordia-WI 50. (CA squad's hot second half shooting kept them ahead per CLU press release.)

Edgewood 62, Baruch 61 (Eagles' Ritschard nailed a jumper with 3 seconds left to win it, per play by play account).

St. Norbert 84, Rockford 35 (Regents outshot and outrebounded-source is St Norbert box score).

Viterbo 80, Marian 60 (Viterbo shot 57 percent from beyond the arc, per UW-Eau Claire box score).

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2007, 10:23:18 AM
St. Norbert 84 Rockford 35 (Regents outshot and outrebounded-source is St Norbert box score).

Really? They won by 49! You think? lol  ::) :D :(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cawcdad on December 30, 2007, 03:32:01 PM
CSU East Bay is much improved and I thought might take this one after letting the game the night before against North Park get away. The Stars looked streaky against UC Santa Cruz. They could be pretty good if they put a entire game together like they looked at times.

There are pictures of the game with UC Santa Cruz (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=1993) posted.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 30, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
Rockford lost to Whitewater 100-47.  I actually feel bad for the Regents' players.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LogShow on January 01, 2008, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: libero on December 27, 2007, 02:49:03 PM
Sorry, sarcasm does not tranlate well on "posting up". I hope the game goes well for Edgewood. :)

Maybe...or maybe i am jus slow...haha :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 02, 2008, 10:45:17 AM
When does maranatha play rockford?!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2008, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: libero on January 02, 2008, 10:45:17 AM
When does maranatha play rockford?!! ;D

The Crusaders are scheduled to play the Regents 1/12 in Watertown (2:00 p.m.) and 2/26 at Rockford (4:15 p.m.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2008, 02:45:14 PM
12/31 NAthCon Final:

WLC 65, Clarke 63.  :D  (Warriors' Behm hit a 17-footer as time expired for the win, per WLC press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2008, 12:44:03 PM
1/02/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Benedictine 63, Dominican 62 (IL Eagles outshot Stars from the field-per Dominican box score).

Marian 64, MSOE 53 (Raiders' cold first-half shooting and MSOE's clutch FT shooting the last minute of this contest was the difference-source is Marian press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2008, 11:06:17 AM
1/03/08 Men's NAthCon final:

Beloit 74, Rockford 70. (Buccaneer men hit a couple of crucial FT's in the end to hold on, per play-by-play account off Rockford's web-site).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 06, 2008, 10:17:46 AM
1/04-05/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

1-04:  Maryville (TN) 88, Concordia-Chicago 48
           
          Lakeland 75, Northland 64 (Muskies hit a boatload of 3's early to take a big lead and hang on--source is Lakeland press release).

1-05:  Elmhurst 82, Benedictine 72 (Elmhurst shot 69% from floor in 1st half-per Benedictine box score.)

          Grace Bible 101, Maranatha 98, OT (Grace Bible hit a 3 at the buzzer to force OT-after trailing by as many as 16 points in 1st half, per Crusader press release).

          Chicago 80, MSOE 73, OT (A 12-3 Maroon scoring run in OT was the difference, per MSOE press release).

          Ripon 82, Rockford 47 (Rout!) (Regents shot 14% in first half, per Rockford box score).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
1/07/08 Men's NAthCon Final:

Edgewood 83, Crown 62  (Eagle 15-0 scoring run in 2nd half sealed this one, per Edgewood press release. Ciche, Averkamp and DeMarco all had double-doubles).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Yall on January 09, 2008, 11:08:01 PM
Well its my grand return in a very small way-  lives have changed, grown up and forced to adapt in this dog eat dog world making it hard for my only concern to be when I can post the most clever crap on D3hoops in the name of WLC.

Shocking news to everyone - I am no longer wearing the green and white on my body, but in my heart.  I am proud to be a WLC alum, but now must cloak myself in raider red.  Suffice it to say my younger brother is a frosh on MSOE and in my vain attempt to be invovled in D3 arena spectating I venture to his games.  However, my chants, cheers, jeers, obnoxious outfits and ridiculous signs are replaced with a <clap> <clap> <clap> sigh....

I wonder if anyone on this board has even been on here long enough to remember my legacy - that glorious year I predicted WLC's rise to greatness!  Oh well, just thought I would repost with no real basketball news for old times sake.  Give it your all WLC and keep fighting MSOE.

Busty

PS-  Edgewood still sucks and when is Averkamp graduating - i swear that school has like a 7yr program that all its players take advantage of.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Bust Yall on January 09, 2008, 11:19:55 PM
Oh yea I almost forgot -


sorry bout it.   ;
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 10, 2008, 12:04:18 PM
1/09/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Edgewood 75, MSOE 68 (Raiders had a chance to tie or take the lead with 1 1/2 minutes left, but an outside shot fell short. They trailed by as many as 14 late, but got back in it with the press).

Lakeland 68, Marian 55 (Muskies outrebounded Marian 41-22-per Lakeland press release).

Dominican 76, WLC 71 (Stars--4 players in double figures-Dom box score).

Benedictine 76, Rockford 63 (IL Eagles shot 60% in 2nd half-per Ben press release).

Aurora 72, Concordia-Chicago 61 (CUC --21 turnovers, per Cougar box score).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 10, 2008, 05:56:12 PM
welcome back, bust y'all

Are you going to start talking trash about Metzger?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2008, 06:05:51 PM
You still amuse me, Bust Y'all.

So, MSOE Raider Red?  Where ever the job takes you, I guess.  What are you doing in downtown Milwaukee now-a-days?

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 11, 2008, 12:47:04 PM
1/10/08 Men's NAthCon Final:

Concordia-WI 91, Maranatha 69  (Crusaders had an off night shooting, particularly in 2nd half, turnovers also did them in, per Maranatha press release.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 13, 2008, 09:45:48 AM
1/12/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 90, Concordia-WI 66

Edgewood 72, Benedictine 59 (IL Eagles held to 30% shooting from field for entire game and outrebounded, per Edgewood press release)

Lakeland 91, Concordia-Chicago 84 (Muskies' Grube--26 pts. Lakeland shot 55% from floor in 2nd half-per Lakeland press release)

Dominican 66, Marian 61 (Sabers were down 3 with 10 seconds left-but turned the ball over-per Marian press release. Sabers had trailed by as many as 19 points.)

WLC 82, MSOE 78 (Warriors score the last 4 points and force MSOE into turnovers to seal this one after trailing by 9 at one point, per play-by-play account off WLC site--MSOE's Voight had 25 pts, and WLC had 5 players score in double figures, Warriors also hit 13 three-pointers).

Maranatha 88, Rockford 73 (Crusaders' Stevens had a career high 26 points-per Maranatha press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on January 13, 2008, 06:04:57 PM
Congrats to former Lakeland player Matt Rogers who scored his 1,000 point in a North Central College win over Wheaton College. Matt's 30 points helped the Cardinals hold off the Thunder 73-72
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on January 14, 2008, 09:50:07 AM
Its getting harder and harder for me to justify MSOE. The 0-5 at home in conference is embarrassing. They are 5 games MSOE could have easily won, no doubt but they havnt finished.
Benedictine 57 MSOE 58 2:26 to go
Aurora controlled the last few minutes but MSOE did have the game tied at 54 and was outscored 16-9 down the stretch
Marian 52 MSOE 51 1:44 to go
Edgewood 68 MSOE 66 MSOE ball 1:40 to go.
WLC 78 MSOE 78 1:19 to go.

MSOE needs to take a good hard look at the offense it is running late in the game because right now its just not working. Its becoming pretty predictable and Im pretty sure WLC knew the handoff was coming. They ran the same play twice against Edgewood and once got off a missed 3 pointer and the second time Edgewood denied the play all together.
As of late (I didnt see the Chicago game), teams are collapsing down on defense denying Murphy the inside, making him dribble through double teams to get to the basket, and denying entry feeds (he has been held to 10, 11, and 8 ). Thus, forcing MSOE to shoot from the outside and the looks have been there but they just arnt falling:
3 pt%
vs. Marian 16.7%
vs. Edgewood 21.4%
vs. WLC 27.3%
The emergence of Andy Voigt (led the team in scoring last 4 games) has been nice, but outside of him the team is shooting a combined 3 for 28 from beyond the arch in those last 3 conference home losses. That is 10.7%. And the looks haven't been that bad. At some point someone else has to find some confidence shooting the ball from more than 3 feet away (which havnt been falling at all that high of rate either). Voigt's not going to get enough open looks for the team to entire rely on him. Its a tough stretch in a long season, but this team needs a strong win to regain some confidence. Yeah, I know I am overusing the word confidence but thats what it is at this point. Players are passing up open looks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on January 15, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
WLC defeats Maranatha 99-87.  WLC got up by as many as 26, but let that lead slip down a bit.  Props to natha for never giving up even after getting down by double digits early in the game. WLC pulls back to 3-3 in conference and heads to Lakeland on Saturday.  Will the Lakeland curse continue or end on saturday? I'm planning on heading up to that one because I don't want to miss the end of that streak if WLC wins.  This will be a great challenge for the warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2008, 09:56:31 PM
Congrats to Aurora head coach James Lancaster upon notching his 250th career win with the Spartans' 72-61 triumph at Concordia (IL) last Wednesday night!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 15, 2008, 11:02:14 PM
Lakeland goes down in OT.  Wow, they drop to 6-2 in conference.

Concordia (WI) 73, Lakeland 70 (http://www.lakeland.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/stats07/0115lccw.htm)

Benedictine 86, Concordia (IL) 68 (http://www.ben.edu/athletics/mens/basketball/STATS/bumbb15.htm)

Domincan 90, Rockford 57 (http://dustars.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2007-2008/du115.html)

MSOE 66, Marian 55 (http://www.msoe.edu/dotAsset/112360.htm)

WLC 99, MBBC 87 (http://www.mbbc.edu/page.aspx?m=862)

Today's results are not included.

Aurora 7-0
Lakeland 6-1
Marian 5-2 
Edgewood 4-2 
Benedictine 4-3 
Concordia Wisconsin 3-4
Dominican 3-4 
Wisconsin Lutheran 2-3 
MSOE 2-5 
Maranatha 2-5
Concordia Chicago 2-5
Rockford 0-6
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 16, 2008, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on January 15, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
WLC defeats Maranatha 99-87.  WLC got up by as many as 26, but let that lead slip down a bit.  Props to natha for never giving up even after getting down by double digits early in the game. WLC pulls back to 3-3 in conference and heads to Lakeland on Saturday.  Will the Lakeland curse continue or end on saturday? I'm planning on heading up to that one because I don't want to miss the end of that streak if WLC wins.  This will be a great challenge for the warriors.

Maranatha is no longer a pushover--especiallly if Birch, Knepp and Stevens are on their games (if memory serves me correctly, the first two combined for 59 of the Crusaders' points last night).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2008, 09:09:44 PM
Wow, Concordia Chicago beating Edgewood by 13 at halftime!  49-36.

Live Stats: http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/livestats/basketball/xlive.htm

Live Audio: http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/info/broadcast/stretch.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2008, 10:08:09 PM
CUC's Justin Gray makes 3 FT's with 6 seconds left to tie the game at 79-79.

EC's Aaron Ritschard goes end to end, nearly loses the ball, picks it up and hits a game-winning three-pointer from the extreme deep corner for an 82-79 win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2008, 10:18:46 AM
Other 1/17/08 NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 93, Rockford 70

Marian 78, Northland Baptist 53 (Sabers shot 60% from the field, per Marian press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2008, 09:59:08 AM
1/19/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 76, Maranatha Baptist 63

MSOE 69, Benedictine 62 (IL Eagles were in a double-digit hole most of the second half, per Ben press release).

Concordia-WI 62, Dominican 50 (Stars got off to a slow start and didn't get over the hump, per Dom play by play account).

Marian 91, Concordia-Chicago 66 (Sabers' Rankin paced 4 players in double-figures with a career high 24 points. Marian was hot from the field in this one, per Saber press release).

Edgewood 82, Rockford 70 (Another cold-shooting first-half-31 % for the Regents did them in, per Edgewood press release. Edgewood had 3 players in double figures in the win.)

WLC 103, Lakeland 94 (Despite Saberlich's career high 39, the Warriors had balanced scoring and outrebounded the Muskies to get the win, per Lakeland press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on January 21, 2008, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2008, 09:56:31 PM
Congrats to Aurora head coach James Lancaster upon notching his 250th career win with the Spartans' 72-61 triumph at Concordia (IL) last Wednesday night!
let's not forget the same game larry welton scorded his 2000th point congrats to larry aswell.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 21, 2008, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2008, 09:59:08 AM
1/19/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 76, Maranatha Baptist 63


I was at the first half of this game..I swear, Larry Welton is the worst refereed(sp) player I have ever seen..he dunked over a MBBC player and they called a charge, although it was clear that the guy was still moving and he was out of position anyway..and his second foul was a phantom over the back..I was standing on the baseline in the corner and he touched no one on his rebound..and to make it worse, the refs constantly told him to "pull his pants up", although his uniform was tucked in..its almost like the bait him...when he got his second foul, the ref waited to see Larry's reaction before going to the scorers table....
but besides that, this game was close because AU had a bad shooting night..they missed more wide open three's in the first half than I have ever seen.
Question is, if they run the table, which is possible, can they get an at large bid? 3 losses, 4 at the most?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 03:18:24 PM
I would think even five losses is quite safe for Pool B consideration right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on January 21, 2008, 10:24:18 PM
first of all I would like to congratulate the warriors for beating lakeland at the tank for the first time since 2000. It was a great game to watch.  Saiberlich had an amazing shooting performance hitting 10 3's (7 for his first 7), and ended up with 39 points.  the warriors switched defenders on him late in the game which was a good decision as early on he got way too many good looks.  wlc continues to roll by playing unselfish basketball. it is really fun to watch them move the ball and have so many different options.  hopefully they can keep this up.

they also won tonight at rockford.  rockford played well, they have a group of guards who could help them to get a few wins down the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2008, 10:32:38 PM
Things are really tightening up in the NathCon.

Aurora 9-0 
Edgewood 6-2 
Lakeland 6-3 
Marian 6-3 
Wisconsin Lutheran 4-3 
Concordia Wisconsin 5-4 
Benedictine 5-4
MSOE 4-5 
Dominican 4-5
Maranatha 2-7
Concordia Chicago 2-8
Rockford 0-9
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2008, 02:15:26 AM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on January 21, 2008, 10:24:18 PMthey also won tonight at rockford.  rockford played well, they have a group of guards who could help them to get a few wins down the road. 

A few wins?

With their loss on Monday night the Regents are now 0-17, 0-10 for the season. If they intend to win a game, to say nothing of a few of them, they'd better do it soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2008, 01:08:32 PM
In fairness to Rockford, the Regents did hit 13 threes last night. (50% from beyond the arc)  Per Warrior broadcast, Rockford cut WLC's lead down to 5 late in the game before the Warriors pulled away.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 23, 2008, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2008, 02:15:26 AM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on January 21, 2008, 10:24:18 PMthey also won tonight at rockford.  rockford played well, they have a group of guards who could help them to get a few wins down the road. 

A few wins?

With their loss on Monday night the Regents are now 0-17, 0-10 for the season. If they intend to win a game, to say nothing of a few of them, they'd better do it soon.

I think by "Down the road" he may have meant 2008-09.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2008, 01:19:37 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 23, 2008, 11:39:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2008, 02:15:26 AM
Quote from: MarsBlackmon on January 21, 2008, 10:24:18 PMthey also won tonight at rockford.  rockford played well, they have a group of guards who could help them to get a few wins down the road. 

A few wins?

With their loss on Monday night the Regents are now 0-17, 0-10 for the season. If they intend to win a game, to say nothing of a few of them, they'd better do it soon.

I think by "Down the road" he may have meant 2008-09.

That's a "down the road" that might not exist for Rockford College, unless it's managed to get a recent infusion of capital that I haven't heard about.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 25, 2008, 11:25:05 AM
1/23-24/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

1/23:  Aurora 87, Dominican 71 (Spartans shot 53% from floor for the game, per Dominican box score.)

          MSOE 63, Lakeland 56 (Raiders' Murphy scored big in the OT, per MSOE press release(

         WLC 93, Benedictine 75 (Warriors' Zondag had 29 pts. per WLC press release)

         Concordia-WI 68, Edgewood 53 (Eagles' Averkamp didn't play--a 12-2 Falcon run late in 2nd half sealed this one for CUW- per Edgewood press release).

1/24:  Marian 66, Maranatha 60 (Sabers shot 50% from the floor for the win-per Marian box score).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2008, 02:22:53 AM
1/25-26/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

1/25:  Concordia-Chicago 74, Concordia-Ann Arbor 68 (CUC had a 40-32 edge rebounding, per Cougar box score)

1/26:  Concordia-WI 87, Concordia-Chicago 67 (Falcons hit 13 threes, per CUC box score)

           Aurora 75, Edgewood 68 (A 27-8 Aurora scoring run was the difference here, per Edgewood press release).

           Lakeland 79, Benedictine 73 (A Benedictine 2nd half rally from 22 pts down falls short, thanks to clutch Muskie FT shooting and rebounding in the end, per Lakeland press release).

          MSOE 79, Rockford 71 (Caught this one live. Over the last 6 minutes of the 2nd half, MSOE's lead kept fluctuating between 9 and 15 points. A Regent guard missed on a 3-pointer that would have cut the Raider lead to 6 with approx. 30 seconds left. MSOE was hitting on 3's and broke Rockford's pressure on the ball enough to get this win at home).

        Dominican 64, Maranatha 53 (Crusaders had a cold-shooting 2nd half, during which Dominican took over, per Maranatha press release).

           

         

           
           
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on January 30, 2008, 10:32:18 PM
Sorry for my previous comment on Rockford possibly getting some wins. I guess I meant they played WLC tough.  but whatever, they'll end up dead last anyway.  WLC travels to CUW tonight for what should be a great game.  CUW is playing well, and WLC is rolling on all cylinders right now.  I won't be in attendance as I will be at a high school game tomorrow night. Good luck warriors.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2008, 10:00:33 AM
1/31-2/02/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

1/31:  Concordia-WI 95, WLC 90 (Falcons' Lipanot-32 pts and Atkinson hot from beyond the arc- per CUW press release). 

          Edgewood 73, Lakeland 58

          MSOE 76, Maranatha 61.

2/02:  MSOE 88, Aurora 82  :o ??? (Cold shooting from beyond the arc --32% from entire field in 1st half--did the Spartans in, per Aurora box score. MSOE shot 57% from field for entire game.)

         WLC 111, Maranatha 65 Rout!

         Benedictine 78, Concordia-WI 77 (IL Eagles' Bailey hit the game-winning jumper with 5 seconds left, per Ben press release).

        Dominican 68, Lakeland 55, OT  :o :o ??? ??? Lakeland went scoreless in the OT Saiberlich held to 2 points, Muskies 3-pt shots weren't dropping-per Dominican box score).

        Edgewood 79, Concordia-Chicago 75 (Eagles outscored Cougars 31-8 in the last approx 5 minutes to erase a 19-pt deficit and come away with the win, per Edgewood press release).

       Marian 91, Rockford 63 (Marian's Rankin's 25 pts one of 4 Saber players scoring in double figures in this one, per Rockford box score.)
       

         

         
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2008, 10:03:27 AM
Congrats to Maranatha's Josh Burch and Edgewood's Chris DeMarco for reaching the 1,000 point milestone for their respective schools! :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 04, 2008, 02:56:58 PM
How many in a row (in the NathCon) had Aurora won before that loss?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 04, 2008, 05:48:40 PM
Including last year's NAC Tournament, Aurora had won 20 straight NAC games. (18 regular season and 2 NAC Tournament games).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 05, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
WLC knocked off Concordia-Chicago by 11 last night--per Warrior 2nd half radio account, CUC's bench got T'd up, and a Warrior steal and some late threes sealed the win.

Warriors' next 2 games figure to be tough--Aurora and Edgewood back to back. :-X :-\

Something's gotta give in this conference race sooner or later. . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 05, 2008, 09:18:28 PM
Some recruiting odds and ends:

Quote from: Wishoops.net
The three-guard, up-tempo style favored by Lakeland College coach Kyle Brumett has landed the Muskies' program a couple of highly regarded high school basketball players from the state.

Suring senior Josh Regal and Bowler senior Derrick Nillissen recently gave Brumett verbal commitments to play for the Muskies, members of the NCAA Division III Northern Athletics Conference.
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14686 (http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14686)


Quote from: JSOnline
But Bloom is flourishing, averaging 17 points per game and lifting his GPA to 3.2. MSOE, Carroll College and UW-River Falls have taken interest in Bloom, a kid with a fitting name.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=712101 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=712101)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 07, 2008, 10:59:16 PM
Aurora 12-1 
Marian 9-3
Edgewood 9-4 
Wisconsin Lutheran 8-4
Milwaukee Engineering 9-5 
Concordia (Wis.) 7-6 
Lakeland 7-7 
Dominican 6-6 
Benedictine 7-7 
Concordia (Ill.) 2-10
Maranatha Baptist 2-12 
Rockford 0-13
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 10:58:54 AM
Did i miss the story about Larry Welton hitting 2000 points or dose this site not care about you if you are not in the top 25 (UW- Oshkosh 14-6) or the 19-0 team that just can not make no1. Please let me know if i am wrong for saying this. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2008, 11:06:27 AM
Welton's milestone wasn't cited on this board--our bad. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
M.S.O.E is the hottest team in the our division now can any one stop them this late in the year our our we looking at new conf champs.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2008, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
M.S.O.E is the hottest team in the our division now can any one stop them this late in the year our our we looking at new conf champs.
I assume you mean the NAC Tournament championship because the regular season title is all but locked up by Aurora.

I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that has to play MSOE in the first game of the NAC Tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 08, 2008, 06:11:47 PM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 10:58:54 AM
Did i miss the story about Larry Welton hitting 2000 points or dose this site not care about you if you are not in the top 25 (UW- Oshkosh 14-6) or the 19-0 team that just can not make no1. Please let me know if i am wrong for saying this. ???

You missed it.

Bottom of the page  LINK (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?page=6)

Posted on Jan 2 2008.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2008, 10:19:42 AM
Edgewood's Charlie Averkamp gets another honor here:

http://northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_02/20080207b.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2008, 10:37:32 AM
2/08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Marian 85, Aurora 78 (Sabers committed only 8 turnovers, went 17-21 on FT's in the last 3:45 and led by as much as 13 in second half. Though the Spartans reduced that deficit to 4, they got no closer, per Marian press release).

MSOE 62, Concordia-Chicago 50 (A 21-9 Raider scoring run was the difference here, per MSOE press release, which also indicates Murphy and Off came up big on O again.)

Benedictine 78, Maranatha 51 (IL Eagles never trailed, per Crusader press release).

Concordia-WI 97, Rockford 74 (Falcons shot 53% from the floor, per Rockford box score).

WLC 105, Edgewood 86 (Warriors hit 14 shots from beyond the arc, out-rebound the WI Eagles and had 5 players score in double figures, per Edgewood press release.)

Lakeland 70, Dominican 57 (Saiberlich-19 pts and Worth 21, per Muskie press release).







Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 08, 2008, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
M.S.O.E is the hottest team in the our division now can any one stop them this late in the year our our we looking at new conf champs.
I assume you mean the NAC Tournament championship because the regular season title is all but locked up by Aurora.

I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that has to play MSOE in the first game of the NAC Tourney.

Aurora's remaining schedule:

2/12 vs. Concordia-Chicago at home

2/14 vs. WLC at home (make-up of postponed game)

2/16 vs. Concordia-WI (on the road)

2/18 vs. Lakeland at home


MSOE's remaining schedule:

2/12 vs. Concordia-WI on the road

2/16 vs. WLC on the road

2/23 vs. Dominican on the road


(Though this poster wouldn't expect Aurora to stumble at home again, this poster wouldn't be surprised if it did come down to either Lakeland or Dominican having something to play for on the last day of the regular season.)

Marian's remaining schedule:

2/12 at Edgewood, 2/14 at Concordia-WI, 2/16 at Dominican, 2/20 Edgewood at home, 2/23 at Benedictine.

Don't count the Sabers out just yet.







Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 10, 2008, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 08, 2008, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
M.S.O.E is the hottest team in the our division now can any one stop them this late in the year our our we looking at new conf champs.
I assume you mean the NAC Tournament championship because the regular season title is all but locked up by Aurora.

I certainly wouldn't want to be the team that has to play MSOE in the first game of the NAC Tourney.

Aurora's remaining schedule:

2/12 vs. Concordia-Chicago at home

2/14 vs. WLC at home (make-up of postponed game)

2/16 vs. Concordia-WI (on the road)

2/18 vs. Lakeland at home


MSOE's remaining schedule:

2/12 vs. Concordia-WI on the road

2/16 vs. WLC on the road

2/23 vs. Dominican on the road


(Though this poster wouldn't expect Aurora to stumble at home again, this poster wouldn't be surprised if it did come down to either Lakeland or Dominican having something to play for on the last day of the regular season.)

Marian's remaining schedule:

2/12 at Edgewood, 2/14 at Concordia-WI, 2/16 at Dominican, 2/20 Edgewood at home, 2/23 at Benedictine.

Don't count the Sabers out just yet.



The only way MSOE can win conference is if MSOE wins out, Marian drops both Edgewood games, and Aurora collapses and loses to CUW, WLC, and Lakeland in which case there would possibly be a 5 way tie for the championship at 13-5 between MSOE, WLC, Edgewood, Marian, and Aurora. Stranger things have happened but the likelyhood of this scenario playing out is somewhere less than a 1:1000 odds.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2008, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 10:58:54 AM
Did i miss the story about Larry Welton hitting 2000 points or dose this site not care about you if you are not in the top 25 (UW- Oshkosh 14-6) or the 19-0 team that just can not make no1. Please let me know if i am wrong for saying this. ???

You must've missed it, because we certainly ran it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 12, 2008, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 08, 2008, 10:58:54 AM
Did i miss the story about Larry Welton hitting 2000 points or dose this site not care about you if you are not in the top 25 (UW- Oshkosh 14-6) or the 19-0 team that just can not make no1. Please let me know if i am wrong for saying this. ???

Is this the MWC page, Pat?  ??? >:( ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 12, 2008, 12:20:09 AM
Concordia (WI) gonna have a say in the conference championship, not because they are in contention, but because they play host to MSOE, Aurora, Marian and travel to WLC...the top four teams in the conference.

Aurora 12-2 
Marian 10-3
Wisconsin Lutheran 9-4
Milwaukee Engineering 10-5

Not sure what the cut-off is, but I was wondering if anyone besides Aurora would make a Pool B bid in the NCAAs, and of course, that's not a given.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on February 12, 2008, 11:02:44 AM
After looking at the regional records of all the Pool B's in contention for it I think if Wisconsin Lutheran can win out including the conference tourney they have a decent chance of getting a Pool B bid. Green Mountain and Chapman are right there with them for the last Pool B spot. There are 4 and the first two are pretty well locked up by Nebraska Wesleyan and Maryville. And I'm almost positive Moravian will get the third if they win their conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on February 12, 2008, 01:19:46 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 12, 2008, 11:02:44 AM
After looking at the regional records of all the Pool B's in contention for it I think if Wisconsin Lutheran can win out including the conference tourney they have a decent chance of getting a Pool B bid. Green Mountain and Chapman are right there with them for the last Pool B spot. There are 4 and the first two are pretty well locked up by Nebraska Wesleyan and Maryville. And I'm almost positive Moravian will get the third if they win their conference tourney.

I may be way off here, but if Wisconsin Lutheran wins their league tourney, dont they get the automatic bid?  Please correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm really not sure what pools are for who.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: knarocky22 on February 12, 2008, 01:34:26 PM
There isn't an automatic bid for the NathCon until next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on February 12, 2008, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: knarocky22 on February 12, 2008, 01:34:26 PM
There isn't an automatic bid for the NathCon until next year.

That would make sense then, Thanks. 

Which teams go in which pool?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 12, 2008, 05:00:58 PM
FAQ tackles this.  In brief, winners of conferences with auto bids are pool A.  Pool B (4 teams) are chosen from those who are independent or in conferences w/out auto bids.  Pool C (17 teams) are at large (including any leftover pool B teams, though that basically never happens).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2008, 05:03:34 PM
Front page tackles this too now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on February 12, 2008, 05:34:34 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 12, 2008, 05:00:58 PM
FAQ tackles this.  In brief, winners of conferences with auto bids are pool A.  Pool B (4 teams) are chosen from those who are independent or in conferences w/out auto bids.  Pool C (17 teams) are at large (including any leftover pool B teams, though that basically never happens).
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2008, 05:03:34 PM
Front page tackles this too now.

Thank You  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 13, 2008, 10:20:03 AM
I believe with Aurora's win and Edgewood's loss last night, Edgewood has been eliminated from conference title contention. An Aurora win on Thursday, would eliminate MSOE and WLC and make it a two team race.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 13, 2008, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 12, 2008, 11:02:44 AM
After looking at the regional records of all the Pool B's in contention for it I think if Wisconsin Lutheran can win out including the conference tourney they have a decent chance of getting a Pool B bid. Green Mountain and Chapman are right there with them for the last Pool B spot. There are 4 and the first two are pretty well locked up by Nebraska Wesleyan and Maryville. And I'm almost positive Moravian will get the third if they win their conference tourney.

The front page says 3 pool B bids. Yet, the FAQ says 4 bids (but it also says 38 conferences with 37 autobids).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on February 13, 2008, 11:37:01 AM
The 2008 Championship Handbook says 38 Pool A bids, 4 Pool B bids, and 17 Pool C bids.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 13, 2008, 11:49:37 AM
My bad I think I was reading the women's bids. Carry on.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2008, 02:02:08 PM
Congrats to Benedictine head coach Keith Bunkenberg:

http://northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_02/20080208b.html

And also to Marian's Jordan VanEss:

http://northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_02/20080208a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2008, 02:09:04 PM
Dominican stays in NAthCon tournament contention, beating Benedictine, 72-51

Aurora's win over Concordia-Chicago eliminates the Cougars from NAthCon post-season tournament contention.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 14, 2008, 09:41:51 PM
Aurora-WLC going to overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 14, 2008, 10:00:32 PM
Aurora pulls it out by 3 thus eliminating MSOE and WLC from title contention, and leaving Marian as the only other contender left.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on February 15, 2008, 11:17:21 AM
Marian can only tie right?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 15, 2008, 12:00:51 PM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 15, 2008, 11:17:21 AM
Marian can only tie right?

Yes, after their loss to CUW last night, one more Aurora win (or Marian loss) will clinch them the outright title.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 15, 2008, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: from downtown on February 14, 2008, 10:00:32 PM
Aurora pulls it out by 3 thus eliminating MSOE and WLC from title contention, and leaving Marian as the only other contender left.

Big game fromMike Leonard last night, had a 20 20 double double..makes up for Welton's off shooting night.not sure if AU can make a POOL bod, even if they win out..regional rankings dont have them in the top 8
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2008, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 15, 2008, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: from downtown on February 14, 2008, 10:00:32 PM
Aurora pulls it out by 3 thus eliminating MSOE and WLC from title contention, and leaving Marian as the only other contender left.

Big game fromMike Leonard last night, had a 20 20 double double..makes up for Welton's off shooting night.not sure if AU can make a POOL bod, even if they win out..regional rankings dont have them in the top 8

I responded to your post over on the Pool C board - but be aware that Aurora is shooting for a B, not a C.  Only two pool B candidates made their regional rankings (and there are four slots), so it's hard to say where they stand, but I think Aurora has an excellent shot at a pool B.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Well, Aurora could get a Pool C bid as well if it fails to get one in Pool B.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2008, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Well, Aurora could get a Pool C bid as well if it fails to get one in Pool B.

True in theory, but I sure don't see a left-over B successfully competing in pool C this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on February 15, 2008, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2008, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Well, Aurora could get a Pool C bid as well if it fails to get one in Pool B.

True in theory, but I sure don't see a left-over B successfully competing in pool C this year!
Aurora's numbers are not, unfortunately, strong enough to get a Pool C.  Its best bet is another Bumblin Bee gets stung
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2008, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: iwumichigander on February 15, 2008, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2008, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 04:37:03 PM
Well, Aurora could get a Pool C bid as well if it fails to get one in Pool B.

True in theory, but I sure don't see a left-over B successfully competing in pool C this year!
Aurora's numbers are not, unfortunately, strong enough to get a Pool C.  Its best bet is another Bumblin Bee gets stung

pabegg, who pretty nearly nailed the regional standings, already has Aurora at #4 (with 4 slots available) among pool Bs.  It obviously couldn't hurt Aurora if another B fell, but if they win out they may be in anyway.

But if they have to go to C, no way.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 08:28:36 PM
They don't have to lose another game to be in Pool C, though. At 23-5 they could be a candidate.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2008, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2008, 08:28:36 PM
They don't have to lose another game to be in Pool C, though. At 23-5 they could be a candidate.

I was assuming that to be the 5th pool B would mean another loss or two.

I just don't see the 5th pool B this year being a credible pool C candidate.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
2-16-08 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Benedictine 73, Edgewood 71 (IL Eagle squad comes back from a 15-pt 2nd half deficit to get this win and keep playoff hopes alive, per Ben press release).

Lakeland 83, Concordia-Chicago 74 (Both teams came out of the gate shooting red hot, Lakeland stayed that way for the entire game, per Cougar press release.)

Aurora 98, Concordia-WI 89 (A late Falcon technical, and clutch FT shooting by Aurora down the stretch was the difference here, per Concordia-WI press release).

Dominican 70, Marian 68 (Rashim Lettsome's lay-up with 2 seconds remaining keeps the Stars alive for NAthCon post-season play, per Dominican play-by-play account.)

Rockford 98, Maranatha 87 (Regents get off the schneid).

WLC 86, MSOE 78 (15-4 WLC scoring run in 1st half was the difference. MSOE cut that lead down to four from double digits in 2nd half, but got no closer, per WLC box score).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2008, 11:13:43 AM
Schedules remaining:

Dominican:   Rockford at home, MSOE at home.

Edgewood:  at Marian, then Rockford at home

Concordia-WI: at WLC

Benedictine:  Marian at home.

(Oh, to be a fly on the wall--!)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
One more win by Marian, WLC, and MSOE would give each one of those squads home first-round NAthCon tournament games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 19, 2008, 12:14:26 AM
Quote from: pabegg on February 18, 2008, 01:57:50 PM
Based on the numbers that I run (see the Pool C board), here's Pool B

1. Maryville TN 15-2 in region, #30 in nation
2. Aurora 17-5 in region, #65 in nation
3. Nebraska Wesleyan 6-1 in region, #67 in nation
4. Moravian 17-6 in region, #87 in nation
------------------
5. Milwaukee Engineering 16-8 in region, #90 in nation
6. Chapman 11-6 in region, #93 in nation
7. Juniata 15-7 in region, #97 in nation
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 16-6 in region, #99 in nation
9. Scranton 14-8 in region, #103 in nation

4-8 are pretty tight, probably all within a game of each other.

Maryville has clinched a bid. Neb Wesleyan's fate is in the hands of their play in the Independent tournament. The rest of the group should be in contention down to the wire.


From the multi-regional board. WLC and MSOE have the benefit of a potential game against Aurora in which a win may jump them above the Landmark champion and into the fourth spot.  I would think Aurora is pretty safe at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 19, 2008, 10:47:52 AM
2 NathCon teams in the NCAA's?? That would start a riot nationwide! I guess the numbers support it, and it could become more of a reality of Neb Wes doesn't do well in the Independent tourney...thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: LU_nut on February 19, 2008, 03:13:13 PM
Keith45,

Two Nathcon teams would create a bit of a riot, especially with highly rated number two teams from the WIAC(oshkosh) and CCIW(Elhmurst) not making it last year despite great records and rankings.

I do recognize that pool B is a whole different animal, so who knows.

You have got to love the NCAA D3 process.   I find it entertaining, confusing, frustrating, interesting, and a whole lot more.

Nut
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 19, 2008, 04:32:52 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 19, 2008, 10:47:52 AM
2 NathCon teams in the NCAA's?? That would start a riot nationwide! I guess the numbers support it, and it could become more of a reality of Neb Wes doesn't do well in the Independent tourney...thoughts?

If Neb Wes loses it will probably be to the Chapman which will just bundle it up more.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2008, 03:35:33 PM
Around the Nation focuses heavily on a NATHC team this week and Pool B in general.

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on February 21, 2008, 03:50:16 PM
The fact that tis info was on around the nation gives AU some good looks from the people the have to choose dont you think .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 22, 2008, 12:25:05 PM
Props to Dominican's Jose Garcia here:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_02/20080220b.html


(Earlier, Domincan's Jessica Salinas had a 14-14 night from the floor in one game for the women--)

how about photos of both of those players for PR?  :-\

:) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 22, 2008, 12:29:29 PM
Suppose WLC, MSOE, Lakeland and Dominican all wind up in a tie in conference, how would the tie-breakers work out?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on February 22, 2008, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 22, 2008, 12:29:29 PM
Suppose WLC, MSOE, Lakeland and Dominican all wind up in a tie in conference, how would the tie-breakers work out?

MSOE would be 2-3 against the other 3
WLC would be 4-1 against the other 3
Lakeland would be 1-4 against the other 3 
Dominican would be 3-2 agains the other 3

So I think Lakeland would play at WLC in the 3-6 game and MSOE would return to Dominican on Tuesday night in the 4-5 game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2008, 05:52:45 PM
Edgewood 46, Rockford 20  half:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2008, 06:28:56 PM
Edgewood 66, Rockford 39--approx 10 minutes left in 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2008, 06:48:10 PM
Final:  Edgewood 80, Rockford 66 (Edgewood Coach Adrian began putting more of his bench players in at arond the 8-minute mark of the 2nd half, per WI Eagle announcers.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2008, 09:59:30 AM
Other 2-23 NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 85, Lakeland 73

Benedictine 87, Marian 78 (IL Eagles outshot Marian from field 51% to 41%, per Ben box score).

Concordia-Chicago 77, Maranatha 75 (A Morgan bucket with 58 seconds left put CUC ahead to stay-Crusaders' Burch missed a lay-up that would have tied it).

Dominican 70, MSOE 57 (Stars outshot MSOE 50% to 29% in 2nd haf, per Dom box score).

WLC 90, Concordia-WI 84 (Warriors hit 11 shots from beyond the arc and made more than twice as many free-throws as the Falcons, per WLC box score).







Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2008, 10:28:41 AM
Potential factors going into the tournament:

MSOE and Marian come in after losses:

Edgewood was least likely to shoot the 3 (in-conference)

Edgewood and Lakeland had the lowest FT percentages in-conference



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 25, 2008, 03:04:30 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on February 21, 2008, 03:50:16 PM
The fact that tis info was on around the nation gives AU some good looks from the people the have to choose dont you think .

Not really, because the tournament selection process has very little subjectivity in it anymore. It's all a matter of mathematical formulae these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: MarsBlackmon on February 25, 2008, 11:39:43 PM
Well we have a rematch of last year's first round NAC tournament game at the REX tomorrow night.  Lakeland @ WLC.  I think the outcome will be different this year. My prediction: WLC 86 Lakeland 78 I will be in attendance to see this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2008, 09:42:32 PM
Edgewood College having a full blown meltdown against Marian in the last five minutes of the game.

EC was down by nine when Averkamp got a blocked shot.  He either taunted or inappropriately celebrated (radio broadcaster not quite sure) and got T'd up. DeMarco said something in reaction and got T'd as well.  As Marian was shooting FT's Coach Adrian got a T.  Then Averkamp got a second T from the bench and was tossed.  Marian hits 7 of 8 free throws and the game is over.

Sad way for a great career by Averkamp to end.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2008, 11:02:57 PM
I'm back from the Rex after an entertaining and contraversial game pitting #6 seed Lakeland and #3 seed Wisconsin Lutheran. as Lakeland pulls out a 99-94 overtime thriller (http://lakeland.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/stats07/0226wllc.htm).

The visitors came out on fire and took the lead from the get-go with Kris Saiberlich going off for 18 in the first half, all from long distance.  Grube was also a factor, going 3 for 4 from outside the arc to finish with 12 at the break.  It was balanced scoring for WLC, but they trailed by 12 at half time. 

WLC chipped away for first 10 minutes or so and finally took the lead around the halfway mark of the 2nd half.  The Warriors held the lead for most of the 2nd 10 minutes, but Lakeland pulled even near the end of regulation.  With the score tied at 77 with about a minute to go, WLC ran the shot clock down and got off a shot with about 40 seconds to go.  They got the offensive rebound and threw it back out on top.  Instead of running the clock down to basically get the last shot, a WLC player decided to launch a 3 with 30+ left on the game clock.  Uh?  What are you doing?

Lakeland doesn't call a time out and runs the ball down the floor.  A few missed shots and a scramble underneath follows.  Lakeland comes out with the ball...now here is where things get interesting...

Right after Lakeland gets the rebound, you hear the whistle blow, a split second later you hear the horn blow.  No one knows what's going on until the referee points to the Lakeland bench and signals a timeout.  The ref hesitates and then waves off the timeout!  The crew gets together for a little huddle and then they decide the timeout wasn't called in time.  Wow.  The whistle clearly blew before the horn went off. 

So, overtime it is.  The teams trade baskets and then Lakeland takes over, or do they?  With less than a minute to go, after two Lakeland free throws, the visitors are up by 9.  WLC comes down and nails a 3.  After a time out, Lakeland coughs the ball up and another 3 is hit...3 point game just like that.  Aaron Regal hits 9 of 10 free throws in the last minute to ice the game.


ONE LAST THING THAT IS IMPORTANT:  HATS OFF TO THE LAKELAND COLLEGE BASEBALL TEAM THAT CAME DOWN TO NOT ONLY SUPPORT, BUT CHEER ON THE BASKETBALL TEAM.  THEY REALLY PUT IN A GREAT EFFORT AND MADE THE ATMOSPHERE ELECTRIC (ALONG WITH THE 6TH MAN). 

You don't see that too often.  Very nice!  Kudos to you guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on February 27, 2008, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 26, 2008, 09:42:32 PM
Edgewood College having a full blown meltdown against Marian in the last five minutes of the game.

EC was down by nine when Averkamp got a blocked shot.  He either taunted or inappropriately celebrated (radio broadcaster not quite sure) and got T'd up. DeMarco said something in reaction and got T'd as well.  As Marian was shooting FT's Coach Adrian got a T.  Then Averkamp got a second T from the bench and was tossed.  Marian hits 7 of 8 free throws and the game is over.

Sad way for a great career by Averkamp to end.

He pulled a "zidane". Only it wasn't a World Cup final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2008, 10:01:55 AM
Ba dumm bumm.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2008, 10:03:35 AM
MSOE vs. Aurora:  Can't see the Spartans losing twice at home to MSOE, though it'll be another close battle.

Lakeland vs. Marian:  Going with Marian at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2008, 02:16:02 PM
MSOE vs. Aurora live tonight on D3hoopsNet.
http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 29, 2008, 12:07:08 AM
Lakeland pulls another upset on the road and tops Marian in OT!!!! 

Aurora has no problem with MSOE in the other semi.

Lakeland at Aurora for all the marbles.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 29, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
Who should get the NAthCon player of the year award?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 29, 2008, 12:58:00 PM
Who should win NAthCon Men's Coach of the Year award?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 29, 2008, 01:45:46 PM
How is Lancaster not up there for Coach of the year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on March 01, 2008, 06:27:29 PM
Lakeland 82, Aurora 77, OT

Lakeland is 17-11 - with three road upsets this week do they have any prayer of getting in? Is Aurora in at 22-6?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2008, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: fishguy on March 01, 2008, 06:27:29 PM
Lakeland 82, Aurora 77, OT

Lakeland is 17-11 - with three road upsets this week do they have any prayer of getting in? Is Aurora in at 22-6?

Remember, overall records are irrelevant -- only regional records matter. Aurora (20-6) is a shoo-in for a tourney berth, given the weak Pool B field. The chances for Lakeland (16-10) -- the loss to TIU and the win over Northland Baptist Bible don't count in the eyes of the selection committee -- are more problematic.

Go to the "Bumblin' B's" room in the Multi-Region Topics section of Posting Up. That's where the experts will be figuring out all of the Pool B possibilities over the next 36 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 01, 2008, 11:54:12 PM
What an amazing feat by the Muskies in the last week.  THREE overtime games on the road.  For some strange reason I thought that game was tomorrow and was actually planning on going to it.  Great job by Lakeland.  I don't think they'll get a Pool B or Pool C bid, but congrats on adding to the trophy case.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2008, 09:53:59 AM
I'll add my congrats to Lakeland as well:

Question:  What did the Muskie OT tournament run and the Energizer battery have in common?

Answer:  They both kept going. . . and going. . . and going.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
Went mainly by comparing Media Day pre-season projections to where the teams actually finished in regular season standings-Aurora was picked to finish 1st and did--

Did the Spartans have several players injured that I didn't know about?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 02, 2008, 12:24:39 PM
3 votes for Brumett?  Seriously, Lakeland finished 6th in the NathCon and they had, what, 4 senior starters?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2008, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
Went mainly by comparing Media Day pre-season projections to where the teams actually finished in regular season standings-Aurora was picked to finish 1st and did--

Come on, man. Aurora lost its starting point guard to a season-ending injury in the very first game of the year, and had to make do without its starting center for the first semester. I don't care where Aurora was supposed to end up according to preseason Media Day projections. Any COY poll that omits James Lancaster's shouldn't be taken seriously.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on March 02, 2008, 04:30:32 PM
Welton has to be player of the year, he was once again the top scorer and played on the best team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 03, 2008, 10:01:24 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 02, 2008, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
Went mainly by comparing Media Day pre-season projections to where the teams actually finished in regular season standings-Aurora was picked to finish 1st and did--

Come on, man. Aurora lost its starting point guard to a season-ending injury in the very first game of the year, and had to make do without its starting center for the first semester. I don't care where Aurora was supposed to end up according to preseason Media Day projections. Any COY poll that omits James Lancaster's shouldn't be taken seriously.

Agreed. Down 2 starters 1 game into the season, lost the other pg midway through the season for a 3-4 game conference stretch, they had a (big) small forward running the point guard and actually leading the conference in assists.. Lancaster did a great job and is the best coach in that league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Aurora gets Augie @ Augie and the winner plays Wash U. v Wooster.

Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on March 03, 2008, 01:31:09 PM
Hopefully Aurora can show that the NAC was tough this year and get a win or two, although they are facing some tough competition.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on March 03, 2008, 01:31:34 PM
So is everyone in agreement that Lancaster is the COY?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 03, 2008, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 03, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Aurora gets Augie @ Augie and the winner plays Wash U. v Wooster.

Wow.
two style contrasts..AU's more free flowing offense compared to Augie's set and disciplined approach on offense...I think rebounding will be a key, and 3 point shooting..Augie has shot less than 400 3's while AU shot 723. AU averages 81 ppg, and I think Augie is around 60 ppg?
AU can space the floor with shooters around their all american, and let him work one on one....but Augie grinds you out and takes advantage of your mistakes...I think AU can win though
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on March 03, 2008, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: keith45 on March 03, 2008, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 03, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Aurora gets Augie @ Augie and the winner plays Wash U. v Wooster.

Wow.
two style contrasts..AU's more free flowing offense compared to Augie's set and disciplined approach on offense...I think rebounding will be a key, and 3 point shooting..Augie has shot less than 400 3's while AU shot 723. AU averages 81 ppg, and I think Augie is around 60 ppg?
AU can space the floor with shooters around their all american, and let him work one on one....but Augie grinds you out and takes advantage of your mistakes...I think AU can win though
Augustana's defensive discipline and tenacity likely the greater concern taken together with their 5.6 rebounding margin against opponents with their ability to force turnovers - particularly on the perimeter.  While Aurora puts up more 3's, the FG % between the two teams is comparable - 3Pt: Aurora .343% Augie .354%; overall FG%: Aurora .449 Augie .445%  Augustana does not play as well coming from behind; so, an early 10 point lead would be to Aurora's advantage particularly in controlling the tempo of the game.

Anyway you look at it, that is a tough bracket Aurora drew.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2008, 01:23:56 AM
Quote from: iwumichigander on March 03, 2008, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: keith45 on March 03, 2008, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 03, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Aurora gets Augie @ Augie and the winner plays Wash U. v Wooster.

Wow.
two style contrasts..AU's more free flowing offense compared to Augie's set and disciplined approach on offense...I think rebounding will be a key, and 3 point shooting..Augie has shot less than 400 3's while AU shot 723. AU averages 81 ppg, and I think Augie is around 60 ppg?
AU can space the floor with shooters around their all american, and let him work one on one....but Augie grinds you out and takes advantage of your mistakes...I think AU can win though
Augustana's defensive discipline and tenacity likely the greater concern taken together with their 5.6 rebounding margin against opponents with their ability to force turnovers - particularly on the perimeter.  While Aurora puts up more 3's, the FG % between the two teams is comparable - 3Pt: Aurora .343% Augie .354%; overall FG%: Aurora .449 Augie .445%  Augustana does not play as well coming from behind; so, an early 10 point lead would be to Aurora's advantage particularly in controlling the tempo of the game.

Good analysis, and I'll add that Augustana's fortunes in the tournament are contingent upon how the officials call their games. Augie plays a very physical brand of defense that's ideally suited to the CCIW ref cadre that is familiar with the Rock Islanders and with the more physical style of the CCIW in general. If, however, the officials (who will be assigned from the ref pools of conferences other than the NAthCon and the CCIW) call Friday's game closer than the CCIW norm, Augie loses a bit of its edge on defense and will have to adjust.

I'm curious as to whom Grey Giovanine is going to assign Larry Welton. My guess is that it's going to be Chandlor Collins.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
Men's NAthCon Awards are now up:

http://northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_03/20080304a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on March 04, 2008, 08:54:27 PM
Recruiting Notes:

Quote from: Wishoops
Slinger senior point guard Austin Kearns has decided to attend Milwaukee School of Engineering and play basketball for the Raiders, an NCAA Division III program and member of the Northern Athletics Conference.
......
Sheboygan South senior Jake Schwarz and Crandon senior Keegan Kincaid have decided to play their collegiate basketball at Lakeland College.
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14727

Quote from: JSOnline
Austin Kearns has been in the spotlight from a young age. And the bright lights have always seemed to agree with Slinger's spectacular junior point guard.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=542288

Quote from: Wishoops
9. Josh Regal, Suring -- An absolute pleasure to watch because of his constant motion, Regal affects the game as much as any other player in Wisconsin on both ends of the court. His quick hands often lead to steals and/or deflections while his excellent court vision often results in layups for his teammates.
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/article.asp?nid=14726

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 04, 2008, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: from downtown on March 04, 2008, 08:54:27 PM
Austin Kearns has been in the spotlight from a young age. And the bright lights have always seemed to agree with Slinger's spectacular junior point guard.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=542288


Didn't Austin Kearns play outfield for the Cincinnati Reds?   ??? ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 12:24:44 AM
He's been with the Washington Nationals ever since the Reds traded him to the Nats in the midde of the 2006 season. D.C.'s an even tougher commute to MSOE than is Cincinnati. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on March 05, 2008, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2008, 12:24:44 AM
He's been with the Washington Nationals ever since the Reds traded him to the Nats in the midde of the 2006 season. D.C.'s an even tougher commute to MSOE than is Cincinnati. ;)

Speaking of which, he would be a nice late round fantasy gamble. His home OPS was 150 points less than on the road. He should benefit greatly from the switch to New Nationals Park.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on March 05, 2008, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 04, 2008, 01:23:56 AM
Quote from: iwumichigander on March 03, 2008, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: keith45 on March 03, 2008, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 03, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Aurora gets Augie @ Augie and the winner plays Wash U. v Wooster.

Wow.
two style contrasts..AU's more free flowing offense compared to Augie's set and disciplined approach on offense...I think rebounding will be a key, and 3 point shooting..Augie has shot less than 400 3's while AU shot 723. AU averages 81 ppg, and I think Augie is around 60 ppg?
AU can space the floor with shooters around their all american, and let him work one on one....but Augie grinds you out and takes advantage of your mistakes...I think AU can win though
Augustana's defensive discipline and tenacity likely the greater concern taken together with their 5.6 rebounding margin against opponents with their ability to force turnovers - particularly on the perimeter.  While Aurora puts up more 3's, the FG % between the two teams is comparable - 3Pt: Aurora .343% Augie .354%; overall FG%: Aurora .449 Augie .445%  Augustana does not play as well coming from behind; so, an early 10 point lead would be to Aurora's advantage particularly in controlling the tempo of the game.

Good analysis, and I'll add that Augustana's fortunes in the tournament are contingent upon how the officials call their games. Augie plays a very physical brand of defense that's ideally suited to the CCIW ref cadre that is familiar with the Rock Islanders and with the more physical style of the CCIW in general. If, however, the officials (who will be assigned from the ref pools of conferences other than the NAthCon and the CCIW) call Friday's game closer than the CCIW norm, Augie loses a bit of its edge on defense and will have to adjust.

I'm curious as to whom Grey Giovanine is going to assign Larry Welton. My guess is that it's going to be Chandlor Collins.
Another good point Greg re: officiating crew.  In that pod, I think Augie can make adjusts but not sure how Wooster will handle it (say a SLIAC crew).  My guess would be the officiating crews likely could be from the WIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 05, 2008, 04:12:15 PM
if its WIAC, they are as physical, if not more, than the CCIW..doesnt bode well for a NAC school. First 3 minutes will set the tone
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 05, 2008, 08:43:59 PM
All-Conference is out. (http://northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_03/20080304a.html) Congrats to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2008, 06:46:56 AM
Congratulations to Larry Welton of Aurora upon the conclusion of a fantastic career: 2,342 points and 797 rebounds. But what won me over was the class that he demonstrated two years ago when he gave the Will Landry Memorial Award, annually presented to the MVP of Wheaton's Lee Pfund Tournament, back to Wheaton and asked the school to present it instead to Landry's former teammate, Tony Bollier.

That's one of the coolest gestures that I've ever seen an athlete make. I was a big Larry Welton fan from that point on.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 13, 2008, 01:03:42 PM
With All Region voting going on, any posts regarding players from your conference would be helpful. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on March 14, 2008, 12:29:25 PM
I'll go ahead and shamelessly plug MSOE players.

If there is an all freshmen team, Austin Meier deserves consideration to be on it. He started every game for a team that had no seniors the previous season. While he doesnt score 25 a game, he is the ultimate glue guy. He has some of the quickest hands I have ever seen, and is never caught out of position on defense. He crashes the boards hard from the small forward position. He is great at getting to the basket and can finish.

I doubt Scott Murphy has the overall statistics to make it, but he deserves consideration. Because MSOE did not have great outside shooting, Murphy would frequently see double teams when the ball entered the post. He still managed to shoot over 50% on the season, and carried MSOE in its strongest victories (North Park, Lake Forest, Webster, and Aurora). He has been the leading scorer for MSOE 3 of his 4 seasons (in which the last 3 have been the best 3 in school history).

As far as other players from the conference, Im sure Welton deserves consideration. He may have lost player of the year because I am guessing they didnt start him three games for whatever reason, but he is still one of the most dominating offensive players in conference. He is a tough defensive player who made two spectacular plays against MSOE coming over to help and took the ball out of the air on shot attempts at almost peak height.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 20, 2008, 09:24:48 AM
Props to Aurora's Larry Welton and Marian's Jordan Van Ess on making the 2008 All-Region Team! (Midwest Region)  8) 8) 8)

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/08/mwestmen.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 20, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
NABC All District teams have been announced:
Midwest Selections

1st Team
Kent Raymond - Wheaton (POY)
Nate Hanje - U of. C.
Anthony Pettaway - Defiance
Ryan Kroeger - Lawrence
Tie- Troy Ruths - Wash U.
       Larry Welton - Aurora

2nd Team
Brian Fogerty - Fontbonne
Jordan VanEss - Marion
Brett Wessels - Augustana
Brent Ruch - Elmhurst
Marty Young - Franklin

Coach of the Year - Jim Miller - Defiance
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 13, 2008, 11:43:03 AM
Another honor for Aurora's Coach Lancaster here:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_04/20080408a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on April 14, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
From the Daily Herald (Suburban Chicago newspaper)..also linked to on the front page of d3hoops.com..this event advertises a great success rate, tons of players get signed after playing in the event, or in the all-star game..something like 18 out of 20...I think Larry has a pro game at the 3 spot, especially if he gets into the weight room, wish him all the best.

Aurora University senior forward Larry Welton has been selected as one of the 65 players to compete in the Collegiate Basketball Invitational from April 24-26 in Wadsworth, Ohio.

Of the 65, Welton is one of seven NCAA Division III players selected to participate. He will play on the WHR Health System team.

The Collegiate Basketball Invitational (CBI) is a national basketball event that will gather the finest 65 senior men's basketball players from all of National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division II and Division III and National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA).

The event will take place at Wadsworth High School in Wadsworth, Ohio, and will consist of eight teams of eight players (one team with nine players) in an eight-team tournament. Each team will play a total of three games Thursday and Friday, culminating with the championship game Friday night at 8 p.m. The CBI will conclude with an all-star game Saturday evening in front of a live, ESPNU audience as 20 players will be selected to play in the game.

"I sincerely congratulate the 65 players that have been selected to compete in this prestigious event," said CBI Founder John McCarthy. "I am very excited about these 65 players and I am proud and honored to welcome them to Wadsworth for the Collegiate Basketball Invitational. I am confident that this class of players will help make the public aware of the high level of talent at the NCAA Division II, NCAA Division III and NAIA levels."

Welton helped lead the Spartan men to a 22-7 record and a 16-2 record in the NAC.

"This is a great honor and opportunity for Larry to be chosen for such a prestigious invitational and the chance to further his basketball career. He had a tremendous career at AU and was vital to our success the last four seasons," said AU coach James Lancaster.

Welton averaged 21.6 points and 6.2 rebounds per game, en route to being named D3hoops.com second team All-American, NABC and D3hoops.com first team All-Midwest Region and Northern Athletics Conference first team all-conference. In his four seasons at AU, Welton tallied double-figure scoring outputs in 101 of the 110 contests, while tallying 20 or more points 61 times in his career.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on April 23, 2008, 12:39:55 PM
According to Wishoops so far:

Benedictine
Derrick Washington, Brown Deer ***

Concordia:
Zach Alix, Weyauwega-Fremont ***
Ben Hagenbach, Ashwaubenon
Mitchell Schneider, Fond du Lac St. Mary's Springs ***
Matt Paluchniak, Oostburg

Edgewood:
Jacob Guziewski, Burlington

Lakeland:
Keegan Kincaid, Crandon ***
Derrick Nillissen, Bowler ***
Josh Regal, Suring ***1/2 #38 senior in the state
Jake Schwarz, Sheboygan South ***

Marian:
Aaron Rickert, Laconia

MSOE:
Austin Kearns, Slinger ***
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 01, 2008, 10:03:36 AM
Here's a link to further verify the news on the Benedictine recruit mentioned in that list:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=745769

(Scroll down, as usual).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 08, 2008, 08:31:11 PM
Lakeland's going MBB coach-hunting again:

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2306

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2008, 12:44:53 AM
This means that Lakeland's 2008-09 senior class will be playing for their third head coach, since Kyle Brummet only lasted two years in Sheboygan after succeeding Gary Grzesk.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 09, 2008, 03:18:35 PM
What is it with Lakeland?  No one seems to be there for very long.  Are other schools in the old LMC that much better?  Off the top of my head, they seem to retain coaches a lot better than Lakeland.  Granted, the women's coach was there for a long time, but the men's are in and out a lot.  I guess Lakeland really is a stepping stone to better jobs, but it may also deal with the opportunities at the campus, possibly the people around them like the AD or President of the school are factors...(if this isn't a run-on sentence, not sure what is.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on May 09, 2008, 03:24:04 PM
Dominican's Schedule is up:
http://dustars.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/domi-m-baskbl-sched.html

MSOE will play Chicago on Jan. 3rd and Edgewood will participate in the Midway Classic with Chicago(first game), Illinois Tech, and Kenyon

According to Wishoops so far:

Benedictine:
Derrick Washington, Brown Deer ***
(new)Kyle Bickler, Waukesha South

Concordia:
Zach Alix, Weyauwega-Fremont ***
Ben Hagenbach, Ashwaubenon
Mitchell Schneider, Fond du Lac St. Mary's Springs ***
Matt Paluchniak, Oostburg

Edgewood:
Jacob Guziewski, Burlington

Lakeland:
Keegan Kincaid, Crandon ***
Derrick Nillissen, Bowler ***
Josh Regal, Suring ***1/2 #38 senior in the state
Jake Schwarz, Sheboygan South ***
(new) Germell Heard, Wisconsin Lutheran
(new) Michael Tapp, West Allis Hale
(new) Hunter Wolf, Menasha


Marian:
Aaron Rickert, Laconia

MSOE:
Austin Kearns, Slinger ***
(new) Eric Bohrer, De Pere
(new)Robert Linzmeier, Valders *** #49 senior in the state
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 09, 2008, 04:51:35 PM
Dominican's got an in-conference game scheduled with Concordia-WI before Thanksgiving--wonder how many other NAthCon squads have in-conference games that early?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on May 11, 2008, 09:25:09 PM
Lakeland is a good school, I hope they consider Coach Aaron or get a coach sooner than they got Coach Brumett.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 12, 2008, 05:20:26 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on May 09, 2008, 03:18:35 PM
What is it with Lakeland?  No one seems to be there for very long.  Are other schools in the old LMC that much better?  Off the top of my head, they seem to retain coaches a lot better than Lakeland.  Granted, the women's coach was there for a long time, but the men's are in and out a lot.  I guess Lakeland really is a stepping stone to better jobs, but it may also deal with the opportunities at the campus, possibly the people around them like the AD or President of the school are factors...(if this isn't a run-on sentence, not sure what is.)

As far as similar 'quick-turnover'  the closest, most recent "old LMC school" instance I can cite is Edgewood, which took on MBB coach Adrian and WBB coach Neils either the same year or a year apart. As far as the 4 schools added to form NAthCon- Rockford MBB was in a similar boat a year or two back. (Not a knock on Lakeland or any other school, just an observation.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mifflin on May 12, 2008, 10:10:42 AM
WLCALUM83,
                    Can't put Rockford in that group because their situation was for  different reasons and one being money problems, you can't say that for the other schools mentioned.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 12, 2008, 03:33:44 PM
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 26, 2008, 07:18:21 AM
Lakeland has found a new MBB coach:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_05/20080522b.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 09, 2008, 09:54:37 PM
Concordia-Chicago has found a new MBB coach:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_06/20080606c.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 10, 2008, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on June 09, 2008, 09:54:37 PM
Concordia-Chicago has found a new MBB coach:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_06/20080606c.html

Tyler Jones seems like an interesting guy. He certainly has had one of the most unusual career paths I've ever seen in a D3 basketball coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 13, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
What in the world is the NathCon Challenge game?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2008, 11:25:49 PM
At the end of the regular season, the first place team in one division will place the first place team in the other division, second place against second, etc. Since those teams meet just once in the conference schedule it'll be a good showdown kind of thing.

I have some notes on this and have been meaning to do a story but have been caught up in other work.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 26, 2008, 07:35:45 AM
Here's news on 3 WI prep players headed NAthCon's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=766241

("Other college choices" section.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on July 20, 2008, 10:33:33 PM
According to Wishoops so far:

Benedictine:
Derrick Washington, Brown Deer ***
Kyle Bickler, Waukesha South

Concordia:
Zach Alix, Weyauwega-Fremont ***
Ben Hagenbach, Ashwaubenon
Mitchell Schneider, Fond du Lac St. Mary's Springs ***
Matt Paluchniak, Oostburg
(new) Nick Doedens, Germantown
(new) Zach Neumann, Germantown

Edgewood:
Jacob Guziewski, Burlington
(new) Derek Nkejmni, Madison Memorial
(new) Ben Wisniewski, New Berlin West

Lakeland:
Keegan Kincaid, Crandon ***
Derrick Nillissen, Bowler ***
Josh Regal, Suring ***1/2 #38 senior in the state
Jake Schwarz, Sheboygan South ***
Germell Heard, Wisconsin Lutheran
Michael Tapp, West Allis Hale
Hunter Wolf, Menasha


Marian:
Aaron Rickert, Laconia

MSOE:
Austin Kearns, Slinger ***
Eric Bohrer, De Pere
Robert Linzmeier, Valders *** #49 senior in the state
(new) Oren Bloom, West Allis Central
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on July 20, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Highlights from WBCA all star games:
D2 including Austin Kearns, and Ben Wisniewski (Also includes Mike Hojnacki from New Berlin Eisenhower who chose Michigan Tech over MSOE  :( and appeared to be the best player in those highlights including a dropstep dunk and was the leading scorer in the game, oh well)
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/tv.asp?bcpid=979266218&bclid=370422873&bctid=1646070596
D3 including Keegan Kincaid and Zach Alix
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/tv.asp?bcpid=979266218&bclid=370422873&bctid=1653764380
D4 including Derrick Nillisson and Josh Regal
http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/tv.asp?bcpid=979266218&bclid=370422873&bctid=1655720409
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wcbsas on July 22, 2008, 12:13:31 PM
http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/teams/roster.shtml?teamId=123800&crumbTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Roster&pageTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Roster

MSOE's roster for '08-'09 ... freshmen are not listed.

Two graduated, 12 back
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 22, 2008, 11:47:47 PM
IMHO-Biggest question for MSOE is-how does that squad fill Scott Murphy's shoes?--ask another player to step up big, or do it by committee-so to speak? Fortunately, most of the returning reserves did see a lot of playing time last season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on July 22, 2008, 11:58:14 PM
Quote from: wcbsas on July 22, 2008, 12:13:31 PM
http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/teams/roster.shtml?teamId=123800&crumbTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Roster&pageTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Roster

MSOE's roster for '08-'09 ... freshmen are not listed.

Two graduated, 12 back


Im 99.5% positive that roster isnt correct and they just added a year to everyone who was on last years roster. Also, MSOE lost three seniors (Molner, Murphy, and Trainor). However, the schedule is up: http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/teams/schedule_results.shtml?teamId=123800&crumbTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Schedule+and+Results&pageTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Schedule+and+Results
I'm moderately disappointed in the schedule. It includes no WIAC or CCIW teams, and the return trip from Grinell (I wanted to see a team score 120) is happening after I graduated and ironically moved to Iowa.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on July 23, 2008, 12:13:59 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on July 22, 2008, 11:47:47 PM
IMHO-Biggest question for MSOE is-how does that squad fill Scott Murphy's shoes?--ask another player to step up big, or do it by committee-so to speak? Fortunately, most of the returning reserves did see a lot of playing time last season.

I dont think the team will be hurt that much in scoring. Front court depth will be alittle thin; however, Jeremy Off has had some big games, and can get to the rim with his back to the basket almost at will. He should have a big year and become the #1 option down low.  Meier seemed to get more comfortable on the offensive end as the season progressed, and Voight led the team in scoring 7 times last year despite missing the last 5 games. With most of the better bigs moving on (Van Ess, Averkamp, Haiduc, Leonard), the loss on defense shouldnt be too drastic. I'd be surprised if they werent in the top 4 in conference.

Anyway anybody know anything about how summer leagues have gone or about this:

"Basketball players travel to Italy

Brian Miller, MSOE's men's basketball team coach and assistant athletic director, coached a team of collegiate basketball players during a trip to Italy this summer as part of the American International Sports Tours. Six of the players were from the Northern Athletics Conference, including MSOE sophomore Austin Meier and recent grad Neil Trainor '08. They faced four club teams from Italy and the San Marino national team, and won two of the five games they played.  "The trip was a great time," Trainor explained. "Being able to learn the history and see places that I have studied or seen on TV was great and to have the added bonus of playing basketball on top of that was unbelievable." 
"
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wcbsas on July 24, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: from downtown on July 22, 2008, 11:58:14 PM
Quote from: wcbsas on July 22, 2008, 12:13:31 PM
http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/teams/roster.shtml?teamId=123800&crumbTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Roster&pageTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Roster

MSOE's roster for '08-'09 ... freshmen are not listed.

Two graduated, 12 back


Im 99.5% positive that roster isnt correct and they just added a year to everyone who was on last years roster. Also, MSOE lost three seniors (Molner, Murphy, and Trainor). However, the schedule is up: http://www.msoe.edu/athletics/teams/schedule_results.shtml?teamId=123800&crumbTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Schedule+and+Results&pageTitle=Men's%20Basketball+Schedule+and+Results
I'm moderately disappointed in the schedule. It includes no WIAC or CCIW teams, and the return trip from Grinell (I wanted to see a team score 120) is happening after I graduated and ironically moved to Iowa.
What are some of the other changes then?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on July 24, 2008, 05:22:31 PM
Quote from: wcbsas on July 24, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
What are some of the other changes then?

Adrian Winston left the team Late November-mid December last year and I dont think he is returned. There is another (bench) player listed on there who unless something has changed since spring was not playing basketball next year. (I think there is also a transfer not listed (to MSOE not from)).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 14, 2008, 06:22:32 AM
Here's an update on '88 WLC Alum Jim Datka (played way back in "the day")

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=783204

("Messmer hoops coach.)

(His freshman year WLC was still playing its' home games five blocks away from campus-in Wisconsin Lutheran high schools' facility. I remember one game in '85--during Winter Festival weekend, there was a 10-piece all-student pep band that played for that game, and--even though the Warriors lost, their fan spirit was definitely in evidence that day.)

He and team-mate JJ Jennings got most of the print during that time. It was in the early development stages of WLC hoops history and as I recall, MSOE was one of the Warriors' opponents back then, (that may have been even before both schools became NCAA D3.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 14, 2008, 02:00:01 PM
I'm pretty sure it was before WLC and MSOE moved to D3. If I remember correctly they and the majority of their conference left the NAIA in the mid 90s.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 21, 2008, 06:28:03 AM
Here's news on a Wisconsin prep player headed Benedictine's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=785743

("Other college choices" toward the bottom of the article).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Razor Back on September 01, 2008, 01:17:16 PM
Any idea how good Benedictine will be this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on September 02, 2008, 01:44:59 AM
Quote from: Razor Back on September 01, 2008, 01:17:16 PM
Any idea how good Benedictine will be this year?

Judging from their performance in the Deerfield (Joy Of The Game) Summer league, where they finished in a tie for last place, not too good. However, I don't know how many of their upper level players were missing from that team.

I think the unquestioned star of the team will be senior guard Jared Bailey. Bailey, who is lightening quick, hit for about 18 ppg last season. In addition to his scoring ability, he appears to be a very well rounded player as he dished out 113 assists last year,

A real key to the Eagles success this year will be whether or not 6'6" 2 guard Dan Klecan can return to the lineup. 2 years ago he transitioned into the college game to the tune of being named the conference co-freshman of the year. Last season he was injured (foot, I believe) in about the 9th or 10th game and was done for the year. He had already led the Eagles scoring brigade 3-4 times at the time of his injury. I believe most of his time then fell to guard Cameron Snelling who started 13 games and averaged 8.3 ppg . From what I observed, he is more power than finesse and often plays out of control. Another player to keep an eye out for in the guard rotation might be 6'5" Rob Bridgeman who appeared in 24 games last year with 5 starts. However, he only averaged 4.5 ppg, and seemed to regress some from the 06-07 season. He could be challenged for PT by soph Brian Genslinger  who came on strong over the last half of the season, averaging 8.8 ppg in 17 contests. 

Up front, I was impressed with Andrew Brown a 6'5" forward who has a very nice inside game featuring strong moves to the basket with the ability to finish, resulting in converting on 55% of his field goal attempts. He has the physique of a football player and takes no prisoners when going after a rebound. Another forward who may be ready to contribute is 6'5" soph Marcus Peters out of Rochelle, IL. He didn't play a lot last season, but I understand he showed well in some late season appearances. His strength is his outside shooting, with the ability to hit a nice percentage out to the 3 point line. He needs to bulk up and improve his inside positioning and power moves. He does have a quick 1st step.

Please note this analysis is based on seeing Benedictine play 3-4 times last year, and a few observations during the 08 summer season. Whether all the players mentioned above will return this year, and what contributions the Eagles may get from new players is anyone's guess.     
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: from downtown on September 28, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
MSOE will scrimage UWM this year; http://uwmpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/wiml-m-baskbl-sched.html (http://uwmpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/wiml-m-baskbl-sched.html) .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2008, 02:14:27 PM
Looks like an exhibition game, not a scrimmage.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on October 28, 2008, 09:58:10 PM
just wanted to say  :o  what is au going to do whith out larry welton doug lambert
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 29, 2008, 01:39:18 AM
Coach Lancaster has taken the Spartans to the D3 tournament six times in the last eleven years. I wouldn't bury Aurora just yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on October 29, 2008, 08:44:04 AM
mabe so but thay lost mike the big man down low as well. plus the back bone of lambert and welton. 3 of 5 starters will be hard to come back from ??? what is welton doing eny one know????????
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 30, 2008, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 29, 2008, 01:39:18 AM
Coach Lancaster has taken the Spartans to the D3 tournament six times in the last eleven years. I wouldn't bury Aurora just yet.

Agree..plus remember that AU really returns 3-4 starters (Dusty missed all last season but was a starter before and averaged 11 pts per game his freshman and soph years), Trudo, Skyler and Lance (part time starter)..plus they also have Shane Roland returning, who averaged 8 pts off the bench, shooting 42% from 3
I think they'll struggle in non conference, wont be nationally ranked, but will win the conference and get the AQ..and from then, its anyones guess.

Welton had 28 in his most recent pro game (2 of 8 from 3 though, ugh)...looks like he is playing on the perimeter, he is listed as a SG
http://www.eurobasket.com/Hungary/basketball.asp?NewsID=144555
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2008, 05:58:15 PM
Quote from: keith45 on October 30, 2008, 11:22:19 AM
Welton had 28 in his most recent pro game (2 of 8 from 3 though, ugh)...looks like he is playing on the perimeter, he is listed as a SG
http://www.eurobasket.com/Hungary/basketball.asp?NewsID=144555

I didn't realize that Welton was playing in the Hungarian pro league. I hope that he's not allergic to paprika. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: truballer on November 02, 2008, 09:47:50 PM
Benedictine beat North Park in a scrimmage tonight by 17.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pgkevin on November 03, 2008, 02:03:54 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on October 29, 2008, 08:44:04 AM
mabe so but thay lost mike the big man down low as well. plus the back bone of lambert and welton. 3 of 5 starters will be hard to come back from ??? what is welton doing eny one know????????

I really hate correcting other peoples grammar, but I imagine people would take this argument more seriously if you cleaned up the post a little bit.  Smiley faces look good though :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on November 03, 2008, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: pgkevin on November 03, 2008, 02:03:54 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on October 29, 2008, 08:44:04 AM
mabe so but thay lost mike the big man down low as well. plus the back bone of lambert and welton. 3 of 5 starters will be hard to come back from ??? what is welton doing eny one know????????

I really hate correcting other peoples grammar, but I imagine people would take this argument more seriously if you cleaned up the post a little bit.  Smiley faces look good though :P


Not sure whether to go here, but, just for fun, shouldn't "peoples" have an apostrophe in it?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: luv d3hoops on November 03, 2008, 04:15:25 PM
i dont post for grammer i post to keep up sorry i dont live up to your standerd. r u a teacher or something.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on November 03, 2008, 04:42:08 PM
I'm not sure about pgkevin, but I'm not a teacher. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pgkevin on November 03, 2008, 10:21:00 PM
Quote from: petemcb on November 03, 2008, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: pgkevin on November 03, 2008, 02:03:54 AM
Quote from: luv d3hoops on October 29, 2008, 08:44:04 AM
mabe so but thay lost mike the big man down low as well. plus the back bone of lambert and welton. 3 of 5 starters will be hard to come back from ??? what is welton doing eny one know????????

I really hate correcting other peoples grammar, but I imagine people would take this argument more seriously if you cleaned up the post a little bit.  Smiley faces look good though :P


Not sure whether to go here, but, just for fun, shouldn't "peoples" have an apostrophe in it?

Haha, man I double checked that post just to make sure no one could correct me, but nice catch sir, seems like I'm just as bad huh
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pgkevin on November 03, 2008, 10:55:45 PM
I really do hate to be that guy, something about that post just rubbed me the wrong way though I guess, my apologies, I didn't mean it in a mean spirited way.  O well, guess this means I'll have to double and triple check all my posts from now on
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 09, 2008, 10:36:59 AM
Men's NAthCon 2008-09 Pre-Season Projections can be found here:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_11/20081107a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 11, 2008, 12:17:26 PM
What do you think about the new divisional format for Men's Hoops in the Northern Athletics Conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: birds of prey on November 11, 2008, 02:03:32 PM
I like the format of two divisions with the NAC being 12 teams in men's and 13 in women's, but the way the postseason is set up with the NAC Challenge games determining NAC Tournament seeds is a little awkward and doesn't make much sense to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on November 11, 2008, 10:22:16 PM
Aurora in action this evening at Division I UIC at the UIC Pavilion

At the half
UIC  39
Aurora  29
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2008, 10:30:00 PM
I don't like the rotating divisions either.

I think I prefer a 3rd division (Central Division).

Football is a single division sport.  M/W Golf and M/W Cross Country, Track and Field don't need divisions to determine the AQ.

VB, M/W Soccer, M/W Hoops, Baseball/Softball and W Tennis can go three divisions.  The season is long enough to have that many games.  Play single round-robin out of division.  Play double round-robin intra-division.  You can award wild cards/at large berths on the inter-division results for the conference tourney and AQ.

Men's Tennis (8 teams) can go single division if they wish.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on November 11, 2008, 10:47:08 PM
From the UIC Pavilion

11:45 to go in the 2nd half
UIC  55
Aurora 44
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on November 11, 2008, 10:56:16 PM
5:00 to go from UIC, UIC has pulled away

UIC  73
Aurora  46
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on November 11, 2008, 11:08:55 PM
Final from UIC (Exhibition)

UIC - 85
Aurora - 56

Aurora will host Millikin on Saturday at 5:00  in Thornton Gymnasium
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2008, 11:47:11 PM
I don't like rotating divisions either.  Having those Challenge games remind me of high school sports now, like soccer.  At the end of the regular season, in the Wisconsin Valley Conference, the top three teams play each other once, and then the middle three teams and the last three teams do the same. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on November 12, 2008, 12:30:46 AM
I think the Conference should be split into divisions but the divisions should be constant. Not changing every two years.

Here's my idea after Ralph suggested three divisions:

North - Marian, Lakeland, Concordia-WI, MBBC
Central - WLC, MSOE, Edgewood, Rockford, Alverno (Women's Only)
South - Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia-IL, Dominican

16 game schedule. the teams in your division twice (6 games), all of the other teams once (8 games), and one team from each of the other divisions twice (2 games) (example: Marian (North) would play WLC (Central) and Aurora (South) twice, these opponents would rotate on a yearly basis.) Division Champs get the top three spots in the conference tourney final five spots go to the best records regardless of division.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 12, 2008, 05:40:04 PM
I don't like 2 or 3 divisions.  Just play them all together.  It works in a large league like the Big Ten it should work here.

In fact, I would use the Big Ten as a model.  Have 2 "traditional rivals" that you always play twice and then play the rest either once or twice on a rotating basis to give yourself a 16 or 18 game season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 13, 2008, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 12, 2008, 12:30:46 AM
I think the Conference should be split into divisions but the divisions should be constant. Not changing every two years.

Here's my idea after Ralph suggested three divisions:

North - Marian, Lakeland, Concordia-WI, MBBC
Central - WLC, MSOE, Edgewood, Rockford, Alverno (Women's Only)
South - Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia-IL, Dominican

16 game schedule. the teams in your division twice (6 games), all of the other teams once (8 games), and one team from each of the other divisions twice (2 games) (example: Marian (North) would play WLC (Central) and Aurora (South) twice, these opponents would rotate on a yearly basis.) Division Champs get the top three spots in the conference tourney final five spots go to the best records regardless of division.

How about 3 divisions with 25 games as follows:
Play the teams in your division twice-------------6 games
Play the other 2 division teams once-------------8 games
Play 11 other teams outside the conference----11 games

The 11 games could consist of of 2 games each in both an opening season tourney and a December tourney, and 7 other games. 

Would that work?


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2008, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 13, 2008, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on November 12, 2008, 12:30:46 AM
I think the Conference should be split into divisions but the divisions should be constant. Not changing every two years.

Here's my idea after Ralph suggested three divisions:

North - Marian, Lakeland, Concordia-WI, MBBC
Central - WLC, MSOE, Edgewood, Rockford, Alverno (Women's Only)
South - Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia-IL, Dominican

16 game schedule. the teams in your division twice (6 games), all of the other teams once (8 games), and one team from each of the other divisions twice (2 games) (example: Marian (North) would play WLC (Central) and Aurora (South) twice, these opponents would rotate on a yearly basis.) Division Champs get the top three spots in the conference tourney final five spots go to the best records regardless of division.

How about 3 divisions with 25 games as follows:
Play the teams in your division twice-------------6 games
Play the other 2 division teams once-------------8 games
Play 11 other teams outside the conference----11 games

The 11 games could consist of of 2 games each in both an opening season tourney and a December tourney, and 7 other games. 

Would that work?

The non-conference tourneys needn't be prescribed, since a program can fit in its non-conference games any way that it likes -- two tourneys and seven solos, one tourney and nine solos, no tourneys and eleven solos, whatever.

The conference schedule that you outlined, though, is perfect. It has what should be the primary ingredient in any conference schedule, which is balance. None of this "play x number of games against each divisional foe, y number of games against each non-divisional foe, and then an extra game against this team and an extra game against that team" nonsense. That sort of unbalanced schedule, in which some teams play extra games against good teams outside of the standard format while others play extra games against mediocre or bad teams outside of the standard format, is inherently unfair. Keeping the standard format intact -- double round-robin within the division, single round-robin interdivisionally, no extra games -- is the only fair way to go.

If there absolutely has to be an extra game, then the late-season matchup game that the NAthCon is going to use this year is probably the fairest. At least it pairs up the teams that are on the same level in the two divisions, so nobody can cry foul about one team having a scheduling advantage over another.

Of course, this doesn't work for the women's side of things, since Alverno creates an odd number of teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 14, 2008, 10:16:33 AM
Who makes the Conference Tourney then?

Everyone?

Top 6 automatically qualify, bottom two out, two play-in games to make a field of 8?

I don't like the challenge idea either.  My wife coaches in a conference that has an Eastern Division and a Western Division.  Home games are alternated between Eastern and Western every year.  This year is the first where it is played after the first round of Division games, but they pit #1 East vs. #1 West.  The Eastern Division teams are by far better top to bottom than the Western.  So there really is only two good games, the middle games are not close, and the bottom two are pretty even.  Granted there is no conference tourney implications, but is sucks either way.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 14, 2008, 04:28:16 PM
The layers of complexity multiply dramatically in the NAC because of Alverno.  In order to save money by having teams travel to Saturday doubleheaders together, the Men's and Women's schedules have to cooperate.  With the extra women's team it gets really hard to do that.

Crazier still, the women of course have a 7-team South division and a 6-team North division, but they have maintained the same "2 in your division and one outside" model.  So North Division teams are playing 17 (10 in, 7 out) conference games this year, while South Division teams are playing 18 (12 in, 6 out)conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 15, 2008, 04:27:23 PM
I apologize if this has been asked/answered previously---

In reviewing Benedictine's roster, I don't see the name of Marcus Peters as a member of this year's squad. He was a frosh last season and played on BU's team in Deerfield this summer. If he is no longer playing, does anyone know why? Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 15, 2008, 08:18:39 PM
Was just listening to Edgewood vs. Chicago game and following along with the Live Stats.  Seems like the Eagles have come ready to plas they were up 54-42 at half I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 15, 2008, 08:30:55 PM
13:23 remaining in second half

#22 Chicago - 54
Edgewood - 65

Obviously there's not much defense being played tonight...

Noticed Edgewood started a few freshman and a few have come off the bench to contibute. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 15, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
Edgewood with the upset of Chicago.  101-93. 

Five of Edgewood's top five scorers are freshman. 

A good start for the NAC, would be a really huge night if Wisconsin Lutheran can keep their lead over UW-Whitewater.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2008, 04:11:29 AM
Millikin beats Aurora 67-61.  I know that Aurora doesn't have Welton anymore, but how bad are they (or how good is Millikin)?  I saw that Millikin was picked last in the CCIW, but Aurora was picked first in their division in the NathCon.  That must not bold well for Aurora. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 16, 2008, 04:11:29 AM
Millikin beats Aurora 67-61.  I know that Aurora doesn't have Welton anymore, but how bad are they (or how good is Millikin)?  I saw that Millikin was picked last in the CCIW, but Aurora was picked first in their division in the NathCon.  That must not bold well for Aurora. 

I don't know if it bodes good or ill for Aurora, Tom. ;) The Spartans are playing a bunch of newbies, and their best offensive weapon, Chad Trudo, is coming off of a season missed due to a knee injury. Millikin may not be all that and a bag of chips, but the Big Blue does have three starters returning: the two best offensive players from last season's team (guard Tunde Ogunleye and forward Joscar Demby) and the PG (Mark Patrick). Ogunleye and Demby led MU on Saturday with 15 and 13 points, respectively.

I picked Aurora in the CCIW pick'em (as did 17 of the other 19 participants), but I only took the Spartans because the game was played in Aurora. I figured it would be a close game (which it was), and if the game had been in Decatur I would've picked the Big Blue to win it.

Quote from: wizkid9904 on November 15, 2008, 08:30:55 PM
13:23 remaining in second half

#22 Chicago - 54
Edgewood - 65

Obviously there's not much defense being played tonight...

Noticed Edgewood started a few freshman and a few have come off the bench to contibute. 

The only upperclassman who saw any appreciable time in that game was Ciche, and his contribution was not a substantial one. I was at the game, and I was very impressed by those Edgewood underclassmen, especially the PG (Schuster), the skinny and exciteable forward who came off of the bench (Faroute), and the 6'7 stringbean forward (Barczak). The Wisniewski kid is a really good shooter, and I love the way Nkemnji plays D on the perimeter. All that having been said, I'm stunned that the Eagles lost on Sunday to Kenyon, because I was not impressed at all by the Lords. (Of course, nothing in that tourney went according to form; I can't for the life of me figure out how IIT beat Chicago, either.) I suppose that one can chalk it up to the inconsistency of youth, as part of the problem with playing so many freshmen and sophomores is that a team is often hot one day and cold the next.

One thing's for sure ... if all of those kids stay at Edgewood, that's going to be the team to beat in the NAthCon in the early part of the next decade.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 17, 2008, 02:09:18 AM
GS (and anyone else who saw this weekend's games in Chi-town),

How did Edgewood shoot so well for the game?  They shot 52% from 3... and 60% for the game.  Did Chicago just not defend, leaving Edgewood wide open, or were the Eagles just on fire?

To be honest, I was surprised to see the 52%... it will be interesting to see how the extended 3 pt line affects the percentages AND how many 3's are taken.  As I mentioned on the CCIW board, in the Buena Vista/UW Stout game, the teams combined for 63 (I think) 3's...  and only made 17 of 'em (one at half court at the buzzer to send to OT).  I mean, if you're going to keep jacking them and missing, then I'll let you shoot 'em!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 03:20:26 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 17, 2008, 02:09:18 AM
GS (and anyone else who saw this weekend's games in Chi-town),

How did Edgewood shoot so well for the game?  They shot 52% from 3... and 60% for the game.  Did Chicago just not defend, leaving Edgewood wide open, or were the Eagles just on fire?

Both. The Maroons did a very poor job of defending (in all phases, not simply at guarding the perimeter), but an open look from behind the arc isn't worth anything if you don't knock down the shot ... and the Eagles were en fuego on Saturday evening, especially in the first half.

In the second half, the Eagles were able to get a few runouts from getting to long rebounds off of missed Chicago treys, and late in the game they ran a number of high-post curls that led to very easy baskets because the Maroons guards were not fighting through the high-post screen effectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 17, 2008, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 16, 2008, 04:11:29 AM
Millikin beats Aurora 67-61.  I know that Aurora doesn't have Welton anymore, but how bad are they (or how good is Millikin)?  I saw that Millikin was picked last in the CCIW, but Aurora was picked first in their division in the NathCon.  That must not bold well for Aurora. 

I don't know if it bodes good or ill for Aurora, Tom. ;) The Spartans are playing a bunch of newbies, and their best offensive weapon, Chad Trudo, is coming off of a season missed due to a knee injury.


Greg means Dusty Magee, not Trudo. AU has a TON of shooters but a lack of inside game..Skyler is a good defender and rebounder, but wont give you more than 8-10 a night..so there are going to be games where AU blows teams out with their shooting, and games where they lose due to their lack of size..I still take them in their side of the NATHCON, but unless they get a favorable draw in the NCAA, it might be a 1 and done..that being said, shooters are the best thing to have, IMO and AU has 3 great ones in Magee, Trudo and the other 6-3 guard (forgot his name now). I'm going to see them play at Elmhurst tomorrow, and if they shoot well, they have a fighters chance...their best bet is to go small and keep Elmhursts bigs off the floor!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2008, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: keith45 on November 17, 2008, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 16, 2008, 04:11:29 AM
Millikin beats Aurora 67-61.  I know that Aurora doesn't have Welton anymore, but how bad are they (or how good is Millikin)?  I saw that Millikin was picked last in the CCIW, but Aurora was picked first in their division in the NathCon.  That must not bold well for Aurora. 

I don't know if it bodes good or ill for Aurora, Tom. ;) The Spartans are playing a bunch of newbies, and their best offensive weapon, Chad Trudo, is coming off of a season missed due to a knee injury.


Greg means Dusty Magee, not Trudo.

Right, Magee. Thanks for catching that, Keith.

Quote from: keith45 on November 17, 2008, 03:05:39 PMI'm going to see them play at Elmhurst tomorrow, and if they shoot well, they have a fighters chance...their best bet is to go small and keep Elmhursts bigs off the floor!

They won't keep 6'8 All-American Brent Ruch off the floor, no matter how many waterbugs Coach Lancaster has running around for the Spartans. Nor will they keep 6'4 power forward Robert Strzemp, a very solid blue-collar inside man, off the floor. Aurora is going to have to resign itself to giving up a lot of points in the paint to the 'jays, and the Spartans must compensate by getting a lot of production from the backcourt. Fortunately, Elmhurst is starting two freshmen at the guard spots, and what experience the 'jays have in the backcourt off the bench is not particularly noteworthy. It should be an interesting contrast of styles, although I think that Elmhurst's inside game will be too much for Aurora to handle in the end unless the Spartans are completely unconscious from downtown.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 18, 2008, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2008, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: keith45 on November 17, 2008, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 16, 2008, 04:11:29 AM
Millikin beats Aurora 67-61.  I know that Aurora doesn't have Welton anymore, but how bad are they (or how good is Millikin)?  I saw that Millikin was picked last in the CCIW, but Aurora was picked first in their division in the NathCon.  That must not bold well for Aurora. 

I don't know if it bodes good or ill for Aurora, Tom. ;) The Spartans are playing a bunch of newbies, and their best offensive weapon, Chad Trudo, is coming off of a season missed due to a knee injury.


Greg means Dusty Magee, not Trudo.

Right, Magee. Thanks for catching that, Keith.

Quote from: keith45 on November 17, 2008, 03:05:39 PMI'm going to see them play at Elmhurst tomorrow, and if they shoot well, they have a fighters chance...their best bet is to go small and keep Elmhursts bigs off the floor!

They won't keep 6'8 All-American Brent Ruch off the floor, no matter how many waterbugs Coach Lancaster has running around for the Spartans. Nor will they keep 6'4 power forward Robert Strzemp, a very solid blue-collar inside man, off the floor. Aurora is going to have to resign itself to giving up a lot of points in the paint to the 'jays, and the Spartans must compensate by getting a lot of production from the backcourt. Fortunately, Elmhurst is starting two freshmen at the guard spots, and what experience the 'jays have in the backcourt off the bench is not particularly noteworthy. It should be an interesting contrast of styles, although I think that Elmhurst's inside game will be too much for Aurora to handle in the end unless the Spartans are completely unconscious from downtown.
Greg,
I agree with you, to a point, but I think you know more about EC than I do..however the "PF"  (Lance Robinson who is probably all of 6-3) for AU will handle the ball as much as  the guards (he lead the team with 108 assists last year), which means that Strzemp may be away from the basket more than he'd like. If AU can get out and run, and the three guards (Trudo, Magee and Roland, all who are 41% 3 point shooters) can stretch the floor, it might be a game!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2008, 12:45:07 AM
Elmhurst 79, Aurora 65

The Spartans held a slim lead for most of the first ten minutes, but the 'jays caught them halfway thru the period and pulled out to a 13-point lead by halftime. The lead stayed in double digits throughout the second half, with Elmhurst (2-0) leading by as many as 21. Brent Ruch led five EC players who scored in double digits with 17, while Shane Roland had 22, Chad Trudo added 14, and Dusty Magee chipped in 11 for the Spartans (0-2).

http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/2008-2009/melm02.htm (http://elmhurst.edu/~athletic/Home/M-Basket/stats/2008-2009/melm02.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 19, 2008, 11:27:51 PM
My alma mater U of Dubuque put a beatdown at Edgewood tonight, by 21 ;D

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/custompages/Statistics/mbball/2008-09/mb09-03.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2008, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: keith45 on November 19, 2008, 11:27:51 PM
My alma mater U of Dubuque put a beatdown at Edgewood tonight, by 21 ;D

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/custompages/Statistics/mbball/2008-09/mb09-03.htm

Like I said the other day ...

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 01:27:32 AMI suppose that one can chalk it up to the inconsistency of youth, as part of the problem with playing so many freshmen and sophomores is that a team is often hot one day and cold the next.

... and 6-26 from downtown certainly constitutes a cold day.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 19, 2008, 11:49:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2008, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: keith45 on November 19, 2008, 11:27:51 PM
My alma mater U of Dubuque put a beatdown at Edgewood tonight, by 21 ;D

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/custompages/Statistics/mbball/2008-09/mb09-03.htm

Like I said the other day ...

Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2008, 01:27:32 AMI suppose that one can chalk it up to the inconsistency of youth, as part of the problem with playing so many freshmen and sophomores is that a team is often hot one day and cold the next.

... and 6-26 from downtown certainly constitutes a cold day.
Great point! I really thought that Edgewood's size would really affect UD, but Peak from UD was 7-7 at the 4 spot, and the transfer from clarke (wont even try to spell his name, olapezie or something, had a big game
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: birds of prey on November 20, 2008, 12:42:44 PM
I was at the game last night and UD is far improved from last year, despite losing Daugherty... Just think how dangerous they would be if he had a year left.

Okpalaeze was a beast inside and it was evident by his two throw downs throughout the game. He's very athletic and versatile and he and the other two transfers from Clarke, Bellaire and Russell, all have the ability to pass the ball.

I was impressed by the balance that UD showed. It had been absent in previous years. The one downside I noticed was their inability to protect the ball late in the game when Edgewood pressed. Lots of turnovers... Without that 17-1 Edgewood run it would have been a 30+ point blowout.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on November 22, 2008, 10:06:31 PM
Yippee. Lakeland beat Lake Forest by 1. But then again I suppose somebody had to win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 24, 2008, 11:01:22 AM
Hey, a couple nice wins for NAC teams over WIAC teams.

WLC beat UW-LaCrosse and Rockford (1-22 least year) beat UW-Stout.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on November 25, 2008, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: birds of prey on November 20, 2008, 12:42:44 PM
I was at the game last night and UD is far improved from last year, despite losing Daugherty... Just think how dangerous they would be if he had a year left.

Okpalaeze was a beast inside and it was evident by his two throw downs throughout the game. He's very athletic and versatile and he and the other two transfers from Clarke, Bellaire and Russell, all have the ability to pass the ball.

I was impressed by the balance that UD showed. It had been absent in previous years. The one downside I noticed was their inability to protect the ball late in the game when Edgewood pressed. Lots of turnovers... Without that 17-1 Edgewood run it would have been a 30+ point blowout.

From what I heard, UD is capitalizing on some key transfers from across town.  Mainly from Clarke College.  UWP plays them on Bo Ryan Court Dec. 20th.  Coaching staff here has already talked about the improvement, and that was before they beat Edgewood.  I'm curious to see them play.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 25, 2008, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 24, 2008, 11:01:22 AM
Hey, a couple nice wins for NAC teams over WIAC teams.

WLC beat UW-LaCrosse and Rockford (1-22 least year) beat UW-Stout.

Just a note related to WLC's Ben Ziesemer (the kid that hit the game-winning shot against UW-LaCrosse)--this poster marched with both his parents in high school band "back in the day" -his father (John)was a year ahead of me, and his mother (Doreen) was a classmate. John was a brass instrument player and Doreen was in color guard if memory serves me correctly. John was a great motivator in high school.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on November 28, 2008, 09:23:40 PM
Aurora lost to No 1 Wash U at the Anderson University Tournament  97-89 in overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on November 29, 2008, 08:56:50 AM
That is really impressive!  Any first-hand observations to report?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on November 29, 2008, 09:01:54 AM
Here's one observation from the boxscore:  Dusty Magee, 5-19 from the field, 4-16 from the arc.  If he has his typical night, Aurora has a shot at winning this game!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2008, 11:56:30 AM
They did have a shot at winning the game, they lost in OT!

On the other hand, Sean Wallis was 0-7.  So it goes both ways.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 29, 2008, 12:01:32 PM
May hit the Concordia v Carroll game today, after Grinnell at MSOE.  Interesting to see that Concordia's first game of the new season was a CONFERENCE game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on November 29, 2008, 12:30:58 PM
Good point about wallis and his ofer.  I missed that. Still a major scare for Wash U and an encouraging sign for 0 - 5 Aurora.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 30, 2008, 12:37:55 AM
What do you think about the way the Northern Athletics Conference has looked against other conferences thus far?

Edgewood @ Chicago (defeat #22 team in the nation)
Lake Forest @ Benedictine (win over MWC school)
Wisconsin Lutheran @ UW-Whitewater (tough loss when leading for most of the game to #4 team in the nation)
Beloit @ Benedictine (win over MWC school)
Lakeland @ Lake Forest (win in over-time against MWC)
Rockford vs. UW-Stout (win over WIAC team)
UW-La Crosse @ Wisconsin Lutheran (2 point win over WIAC team)
Beloit @ Rockford (5 point win over MWC team)
Lawrence @ Marian (win against MWC #1 pre-season team and #19 in nation)
Aurora vs. Washington-St. Louis (2 point loss in overtime to #1 team in the nation)
Dominican @ Lake Forest (win over MWC)
Grinnell @ MSOE (3 point win over pre-season #3 in MWC)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 30, 2008, 04:20:55 AM

What do you think about the way the Northern Athletics Conference has looked against other conferences thus far?

Edgewood @ Chicago (defeat #22 team in the nation)...Is Chi-town over rated?  Aren't they winless now?  Edgewood hasn't won since either!

Lake Forest @ Benedictine (win over MWC school)...Good win against middle-of-the-pack MWC team

Wisconsin Lutheran @ UW-Whitewater (tough loss when leading for most of the game to #4 team in the nation)...No offense to WLC, but Whitewater seems to play down to their opponents, they got beat pretty bad at home vs. Point

Beloit @ Benedictine (win over MWC school)...Beloit is horrible

Lakeland @ Lake Forest (win in over-time against MWC)...Good away win, but Lakeland is streaky, as shown by winning three conference tourney games on the road last year to win the tourney, but up and down season throughout

Rockford vs. UW-Stout (win over WIAC team)...It's a WIAC team, but their horrible, 8th place in WIAC last year

UW-La Crosse @ Wisconsin Lutheran (2 point win over WIAC team)...La Crosse is a young team and WLC got them early.  Good win

Beloit @ Rockford (5 point win over MWC team)...Beloit is still horrible!

Lawrence @ Marian (win against MWC #1 pre-season team and #19 in nation)...Definitely a feather in the cap, but probably wouldn't happen later in the season, Marian would probably go 2-8 in a 10 game series

Aurora vs. Washington-St. Louis (2 point loss in overtime to #1 team in the nation)...Very nice effort

Dominican @ Lake Forest (win over MWC)...ditto

Grinnell @ MSOE (3 point win over pre-season #3 in MWC)...Big win for the Raiders, I was at this game, Grinnell played horrible, but give credit to MSOE, scored when they needed to.  Grinnell ran out of time, MSOE was really wearing down at the end
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 30, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 30, 2008, 04:20:55 AM
Rockford vs. UW-Stout (win over WIAC team)...It's a WIAC team, but their horrible, 8th place in WIAC last year
...and Rockford was 1-22 last year, in the NAC.  I don't care how bad Stout is.  That's a good win for RC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2008, 12:35:26 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 30, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 30, 2008, 04:20:55 AM
Rockford vs. UW-Stout (win over WIAC team)...It's a WIAC team, but their horrible, 8th place in WIAC last year
...and Rockford was 1-22 last year, in the NAC.  I don't care how bad Stout is.  That's a good win for RC.

Actually, it was worse than that, Bill. The Regents went 0-25 last season, not 1-22, and that included an 0-18 NAthCon mark. And it followed on the heels of a 3-22, 2-16 season in 2006-07. The season-opening win at Greenville two weeks ago ended a 34-game losing streak for the Regents that was (I'm pretty sure) the longest in the NCAA at that time.

Rockford's turnaround this season has been astonishing, and head coach Ryan Rebsome deserves a shout-out for it ... especially since Rockford's not the easiest school for which to recruit.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: pgkevin on December 01, 2008, 02:08:47 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2008, 12:35:26 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 30, 2008, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on November 30, 2008, 04:20:55 AM
Rockford vs. UW-Stout (win over WIAC team)...It's a WIAC team, but their horrible, 8th place in WIAC last year
...and Rockford was 1-22 last year, in the NAC.  I don't care how bad Stout is.  That's a good win for RC.

Actually, it was worse than that, Bill. The Regents went 0-25 last season, not 1-22, and that included an 0-18 NAthCon mark. And it followed on the heels of a 3-22, 2-16 season in 2006-07. The season-opening win at Greenville two weeks ago ended a 34-game losing streak for the Regents that was (I'm pretty sure) the longest in the NCAA at that time.

Rockford's turnaround this season has been astonishing, and head coach Ryan Rebsome deserves a shout-out for it ... especially since Rockford's not the easiest school for which to recruit.

They have a waterpark just 20 minutes away...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2008, 02:13:05 AM
Thanks, Kev, for the best laugh I've had all weekend. :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on December 02, 2008, 08:54:57 PM
At the half from Aurora's Thornton Gymnasium

Aurora  50
Wisconsin Lutheran  39

AU shooting 50% from the field (18-36) and 5-14 from 3's
WLC shooting 36.8% from the field (14-38) and 7-20 from 3's
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 03, 2008, 05:24:58 PM
Edgewood takes down preseason division favorite Marian on the road.  Edgewood shot well, and played well defensively to earn the conference victory.  Anyone at the game that could give more details?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 05, 2008, 01:28:15 PM
"Chirp chirp"  "Chrip chirp"

You folks here those crickets???  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2008, 01:51:25 PM
Get used to it.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 05, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
Okay, here are a few random thoughts::

1) I'm happy that the new coach at RF, er, CUC, has a couple of wins under his belt. Having coached in a variety of settings including the CBA and D-1, I wonder  how this might effect his coaching style at the D-III level. I did notice that he is playing basically a seven man rotation.

2) I thought it was interesting that CUC scored only 14 points in the second half of the Eureka game and then only gave up 12 in the first half against Dominican. That's quite a turnaround.

3) Did I notice that D-1 SIU-Edwardsville got taken down last night by Millikin? Wow. Is SIU-E that weak , or . . .
 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 05, 2008, 04:22:37 PM
You'd think a league with 13 schools will have a little more banter on the boards.

I think a LOT of the NAC schools this year are going to be up-and-down.  It doesn't seem like anybody has a core of veterans back.  I'm just realizing how strong last year's senior class was.  MSOE is probably the most experienced team returning.

I think we'll see a year with a lot of head-scratcher results.  Teams pulling suprising wins followed by bewildering losses.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 07, 2008, 10:11:29 AM
12/06 observations:

Lakeland lost to Benedictine (Muskie press release indicated IL Eagle squad hit 11 shots from beyond the arc).

Aurora knocked off Edgewood with a big 2nd half scoring run. (WI Eagle press release).

Dominican had 4 players (led by Borys' 21) score in double figures in a win over Marian. ((Stars' web site).

MSOE needed OT to defeat Rockford. Rockford used a 25-9 run to force the extra session.  (Regents' cold OT shooting did them in).--all per MSOE PBP account.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on December 08, 2008, 01:03:03 PM
does anyone know what happened to jared holewinski from marian. he was a stud last year and only a sophmore. he isn't on the roster
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 11, 2008, 03:36:20 PM
I know that student-athletes transferring from a D-I program to another D-I program must sit out one year before playing for the second program. What is the situation for athletes transferring from D-II or D-I to D-III? Do they need to sit out? Something tells me no, but I'm not exactly sure. How about NAIA to D-III?

In that line, are there any players currently on a NAC roster that previously was on a roster on a D-I program? I know that the MIAA has a few.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 11, 2008, 04:40:04 PM
Under NCAA rules, student-athletes do not have to sit out a year for transferring into a Division III school.

However, some conferences may have their own transfer rules which are more restrictive than the NCAA.  As far as I know, the NAC doesn't have any transfer rules like that.

I am not aware of any D-I tranfers in this league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 13, 2008, 08:50:35 PM
Kent Faurote hits a game-winning three-pointer with 8 seconds left to beat Benedictine 67-66.

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/news/2008/12/13/MBB_1213082747.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalpride on December 15, 2008, 03:30:15 PM
The Battle of Chicago/Maple Avenue takes place tonight between NCC and Benedictine University!  The Bill Warden/Tony LaScala Trophy will be on the line! During the Todd Raridon era at NCC, the cardinals are 3-1 against BU.  The lone defeat came in '04 in a one point ball game.  Game time is at 7pm at BU!  This game is always a lot of fun between the two schools! Lets hope NCC can maintain the hardware and bragging rights for another year!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 15, 2008, 07:05:11 PM
The Edgewood write-up says Bailey suffered a concussion in the previous game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: cardinalfanrochelle on December 16, 2008, 12:07:47 AM
At the game tonight the info Benedictine put out , it was a non-basketball related.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2008, 11:31:48 AM
IMHO, the closest thing to a surprise thus far in NAthCon is Concordia-WI being undefeated in conference--the Falcons knocked off Aurora in double-OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on December 18, 2008, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2008, 11:31:48 AM
IMHO, the closest thing to a surprise thus far in NAthCon is Concordia-WI being undefeated in conference--the Falcons knocked off Aurora in double-OT.

That could make tonight's scheduled game at North Park an interesting matchup.  Are there any Concordia, WI posters who know whether or not Concordia will be making the trek throught the forecast 8-12 inches of snow and ice for tonight's game or is there talk of re-scheduling?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: mr_b on December 18, 2008, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: petemcb on December 18, 2008, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2008, 11:31:48 AM
IMHO, the closest thing to a surprise thus far in NAthCon is Concordia-WI being undefeated in conference--the Falcons knocked off Aurora in double-OT.

That could make tonight's scheduled game at North Park an interesting matchup.  Are there any Concordia, WI posters who know whether or not Concordia will be making the trek throught the forecast 8-12 inches of snow and ice for tonight's game or is there talk of re-scheduling?
North Park held off Concordia Wisconsin 70-67 (see the CCIW board for details).  I left the Crackerbox at around 9.30 and the severe weather hadn't begun yet.  I hope the visiting Falcons can take advantage of the dry conditions and get home in a safe and timely manner.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 28, 2008, 10:37:44 AM
Bridgewater State 88, Aurora 78.

Bridgewater State press release indicates Bridgewater shot over 60% from the floor in the 1st half to build a big lead, then held off a 2nd half Aurora rally to get the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2008, 11:50:36 AM
Albion 89, Aurora 80

Albion press release indicates Aurora ran into another hot-shooting squad-the Spartans got into an early hole, and never quite got over the hump.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 31, 2008, 10:49:47 AM
12/30 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Aurora 90, Cazenovia 78

Benedictine 75, MacMurray 49  (Per Benedictine release, this one turned into a rout in the 2nd half).

Hendrix 72, Concordia-WI 60 (Hendrix used a late 12-4 run to seal this one--Hendrix site).

Calvin 90, Rockford 71
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 06, 2009, 11:45:10 AM
Unlike other conferences (MIAA, WHAC, etc.) whose early season schedules are strictly non-conference, the NAC conference schedule has been underway for some time, although the meat of the conference schedule obviously still lies ahead. With that being said, what are some teams or performances that have stood out in the "early" part of the season? Any disappointments or surprises in regards to teams or players?
It seems that Rockford has really turned things around from last year. Do they have a new coach, or were they just extremely young last year? I also think that CUW lost quite a few important seniors from last year's team but seem to be pretty strong this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 06, 2009, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on January 06, 2009, 11:45:10 AM
Unlike other conferences (MIAA, WHAC, etc.) whose early season schedules are strictly non-conference, the NAC conference schedule has been underway for some time, although the meat of the conference schedule obviously still lies ahead. With that being said, what are some teams or performances that have stood out in the "early" part of the season? Any disappointments or surprises in regards to teams or players?
It seems that Rockford has really turned things around from last year. Do they have a new coach, or were they just extremely young last year? I also think that CUW lost quite a few important seniors from last year's team but seem to be pretty strong this year.

From looking at a few of Rockford's box scores from this year, I think it is more a matter of that squad being extremely young last year. The Regents appear to be staying more competitive this year by cutting down some on turnovers and improving their scoring-generally.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 11, 2009, 11:08:27 AM
1/10/09 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Edgewood 88, WLC 84  (WLC press release indicates Edgewood shot 67% from the floor in the second half).

Aurora 91, Maranatha Baptist 62 (Crusaders shot 19% from the floor in the 2nd half, per Aurora box score).

Concordia-Chicago 71, Rockford 69 (Cougars' PBP account indicates Morgan hit a jumper with 5 seconds left to win this tight game.)

MSOE 77, Concordia-WI 59  (MSOE press release indicates that Off, Voight and Meier poured in 53 of the Raider points in this one).

Benedictine 73, Marian 43 (IL Eagles used hot beyond-the-arc shooting in the first half and a 47-25 rebounding advantage to win this one-per Marian release.)







Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 16, 2009, 02:51:05 PM
Rockford beats Edgewood on the road by 2, Dominican knocks off Aurora by 8. Seeing as the Spartans aren't running away and hiding, this is making for an interesting dog-fight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2009, 10:19:18 AM
1/17/09 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Concordia-WI 78, WLC 63  (Falcons got 27 pts off 26 Warrior turnovers, per WLC box score).

Rockford 94, Dominican 92 OT  (Regents' Rennell Taylor hits a jumper with 1 second left in the OT to give the Stars the win, per Dominican PBP account).

Aurora 89, Lakeland 68  (A 27-2 Aurora scoring run early in the 2nd half was the difference here, per Muskie press release.)

Concordia-Chicago 68, Marian 61 (Cougars' D Young hit a 3 with just under 5 minutes to go to give Concordia-Chicago the lead for good-per Marian press release).

Benedictine 84, Maranatha Baptist 52 (IL Eagles shot 57% in the first half to turn this one into a rout, per Crusader press release.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: titan2000 on January 19, 2009, 08:06:18 PM
How did Marian beat Lawrence ?   UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on January 19, 2009, 08:45:25 PM
Quote from: titan2000 on January 19, 2009, 08:06:18 PM
How did Marian beat Lawrence ?   UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH



Marian was picked to win the North Division coming into the season but that isn't panning out right now. Iwant to know if any of the posters on here know why.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on January 21, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
They lost there best player and starting point guard from last year. He was only a sophmore
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2009, 11:40:10 AM
MSOE 88, WLC 76  (Raiders' clutch FT shooting was the difference here, per WLC press release).

The Warriors figure to have their hands full again when they play Concordia-Chicago at home tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2009, 11:53:40 AM
Other 1/20 Finals:

Aurora 90, Concordia-Chicago 77 (Morgan was somewhat limited by early foul trouble. Aurora was able to run on the Cougars and the Spartans also hit their FTs late to seal this one, per CUC press release.

Dominican 77, Benedictine 75  OT  (Stars' Tipton nailed a 3 with 0.4 to play in OT for the win-per Star release)

Lakeland 64, Concordia-WI 61 (Muskies' Schwarz hit a go-ahead jumper with 27 seconds left, and then Lakeland held on for the win, per Muskie release).

Rockford 84, Marian 77 (A 10-3 scoring run by Rockford late in the second half was the difference here, per Marian press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 23, 2009, 12:28:52 PM
1/22/09 NAthCon Finals:

Benedictine 83, Aurora 76 (IL Eagles scored 51 2nd half points and shot 55% from the floor in the second half, per Aurora box score).

WLC 85, Concordia-Chicago 79  (Warrirors shot 58.6% in 2nd half, Cougars had 22 turnovers to WLC's 12, per Warrior press release--big win for WLC.)

Edgewood 86, Concordia-WI 69 (WI Eagles shot 60% from the floor for the game and used a 23-1 early 2nd half scoring run to take command, per Edgewood release)

MSOE 65, Dominican 56

Rockford 71, Lakeland 69  OT (Regents' Renell Taylor hit a jumper at the buzzer to lift Rockford to the win, per Lakeland press release).

Marian 90, Maranatha 49
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on January 23, 2009, 01:52:41 PM
Benedictine is going to win this conference tournament in the end. You heard it here first.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 24, 2009, 12:22:13 PM
My midpoint money is on MSOE right now.  I think they have the best balance of inside and outside game and the greatest ability to be consistent night in and night out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 26, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
1/24/09 Men's Finals:

WLC 91, Maranatha Baptist 68  (Warriors hit 11 3's and Kyle Plath had 26 pts in this one-WLC release).

MSOE 54, Lakeland 46 (Muskies got in a bit of a hole and never quite got over the hump. Raiders outshot them, 44% to 29% for the game, per Lakeland release).

Edgewood 71, Dominican 60 (WI Eagle squad used a 2nd-half scoring run to give them the breathing room they needed to hold on-also had 4 players score in double figures, per Edgewood release).

Concordia-Chicago 71, Concordia-WI 63 (Cougars' Weberg had 24 pts, CUC out-rebounded and outshot the Falcons- per CUW release).

Aurora 72, Rockford 68 (Spartans scored the last 4 points of the game from the FT line to win it, per Aurora PBP account).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on January 26, 2009, 01:48:44 PM
Benedictine has a real solid coach and he will have the team ready for any matchup. They play msoe coming up, might be a prevew of the final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 29, 2009, 11:47:17 AM
1/28 Men's NAthCon Finals:

WLC 83, Aurora 76 (Warriors shot 60% from the floor in the 2nd half and hit their FT's at the end to seal this one, per WLC release).

Marian 80, Edgewood 75 (Marian shot 57% from the floor in the 1st half, and, despite Wisniewski's 29 pts, Edgewood never quite got over the hump, per WI Eagle press release).

Rockford 72, Concordia-WI 67 (Regents knocked down 4 of 5 three's down the stretch to hold off the Falcons in this one, per CUW release.)

Benedictine 80, MSOE 75 OT (IL Eagles outshot MSOE in the extra session, a Bailey lay-up early in OT gave the Eagles a lead they wouldn't relinquish, per Benedictine PBP account, Bailey also joined the 1,000 pt. club.)

Concordia-Chicago 74, Dominican 71 (Stars' Jeter missed a potential game-tying 3 at the buzzer--4 Cougar players, all in double figures--accounted for all of CUC's points, per Dominican press release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 29, 2009, 11:59:57 AM
NAthCon posters---

Except for Benedictine and Aurora which are in our backyard, I don't really follow the conference that closely. One thing I have observed is what seems to be a very nice turnaround by Rockford. How have they done it? Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 29, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
WLCALUM83: I appreciate your summaries of the NathCon gamnes. Keep them coming!

I had a chance to see CUC play CUW this past Saturday, and it was a very exciting, enjoyable game of basketball to watch! Both teams played hard, and they are both extremely young (Only two or maybe three upperclassmen start for both teams combined).

CUC has probably the best, well-rounded starting five I have see them have in at least the last five or six years. Their coach seems like a no-nonsense guy who knows the game and has them playing as a team quite well. Hopefully he can build on a fairly decent start this year.

It will be interesting to see how both CUC and CUW fare against their bretheren from Seward and Ann Arbor this weekend. The interesting thing about the CIT tournament is that I believe Seward and Ann Arbor are NAIA schools and I believe give some athletic scholarships. I also think it is interesting to compare teams from different parts of the nation in a tounament like this.

I am amazed at the seeming parity in the NathCon. The adage about "on any given night any team can beat any other team" is certainly true. When it comes to the playoffs, there are going to be some teams left out that have beaten some highly seeded teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on January 29, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
Like i said before benedictine is for real.  When they get hot and play with each other they are the best team in this league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 29, 2009, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on January 29, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
WLCALUM83: I appreciate your summaries of the NathCon gamnes. Keep them coming!

I'll second that. Thanks, WLCALUM83!

Quote from: RFMichigan on January 29, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
It will be interesting to see how both CUC and CUW fare against their bretheren from Seward and Ann Arbor this weekend. The interesting thing about the CIT tournament is that I believe Seward and Ann Arbor are NAIA schools and I believe give some athletic scholarships.

Perhaps, but Concordia (NE) is in the exploratory phase of moving from NAIA to D3, which means that even if that school currently has athletic scholarships it won't have them next year if it formally enters the probationary process on the way to D3 membership.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2009, 11:51:40 AM
Men's 1/29/09 NAthCon Final:

Maranatha 87, Lakeland 81 (That's not a mis-print, folks)  (Crusaders shot 78% in the 2nd half- Salscheider hit a 3 to put them up by 4 with 45 seconds left and 2 FTs later the Crusadders had this one on ice--per Lakeland release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: libero on January 30, 2009, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2009, 11:51:40 AM
Men's 1/29/09 NAthCon Final:

Maranatha 87, Lakeland 81 (That's not a mis-print, folks)  (Crusaders shot 78% in the 2nd half- Salscheider hit a 3 to put them up by 4 with 45 seconds left and 2 FTs later the Crusadders had this one on ice--per Lakeland release).

You are kidding! Wow. 78% has got to be some kind of record . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 01, 2009, 10:59:34 AM
Austin Meier of MSOE had a triple-double in an overtime loss at Edgewood.  18 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
Other 1/31/09 NathCon Finals:

Marian 67, Aurora 65 (With the Sabres up 3 and less than 30 seconds left, Franklin stole a pass and then hit 2 FTs to seal this one, per Marian press release).

Dominican 80, Maranatha 44 (Cold shooting didn't help the Crusaders' cause any in this rout,-Dominican box score).

Benedictine 73, Rockford 66 (61% 2nd half shooting enabled the IL Eagles to pull away, per Benedictine press release).

WLC 85, Lakeland 73 (Plath had 24 pts-18 of them on 3s-Warriors had an 18-2 edge in pts off turnovers-per WLC release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: libero on January 30, 2009, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2009, 11:51:40 AM
Men's 1/29/09 NAthCon Final:

Maranatha 87, Lakeland 81 (That's not a mis-print, folks)  (Crusaders shot 78% in the 2nd half- Salscheider hit a 3 to put them up by 4 with 45 seconds left and 2 FTs later the Crusadders had this one on ice--per Lakeland release).

You are kidding! Wow. 78% has got to be some kind of record . . .

Couldn't find anything on Maranatha's site on such things, but if it isn't, its' awful close!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 05, 2009, 11:50:40 AM
2/03 NAthCon Finals:

WLC 97, Dominican 90 (Warriors hit their FT's late to seal this one--Plath hit 8 threes and Ziesemer had 20 pts off the bench, per WLC release).

Benedictine 84, Concordia-Chicago 47 (IL Eagles used a 16-0 1st half scoring run to turn this one into a rout, per CUC release).

Edgewood 87, Lakeland 61 (A 22-5 2nd half WI Eagle scoring run sealed this win, per Edgewood release.)

Rockford 84, Maranatha 62  (Rockford came out of the gate shooting hot while Maranatha came out of the gate flat, and fell in a hole just too deep to climb out of-cut a deficit to 10, but got no closer, per Crusader press release).

Concordia-WI 55, Marian 47  (Marian had an off-night shooting all-around-per Saber press release).

Aurora 78, MSOE 64  (Spartans used a 26-12 2nd half scoring run to get this road win, per Aurora PBP account). Aurora outshot the Raiders 48% to 33% in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 05, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
Unless either Lakeland or Marian get hot, there'll be a sub-500 in conference team in NAthCon's post-season tournament (barring an unexpected collapse elsewhere.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on February 06, 2009, 02:56:38 PM
Marian is playing terrible , they don't deserve anything.  Im still taking benedictine in the end to go to the tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 06, 2009, 04:00:02 PM
You could be right. I sure gave the kiss of death to MSOE.  Three straight losses since I plugged them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
2/07/09 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Benedictine 71, Concordia-WI 56 (IL Eagles pulled away in the 2nd half, per Ben press release-balanced scoring and rebounding).

Edgewood 85, Concordia-Chicago 74 (A 14-5 WI Eagle scoring run late in the 2nd sealed this win-Faurote was one of 5 Edgewood players to score in double figures, per Edgewood release).

MSOE 77, Maranatha 50 (A 22-10 MSOE scoring run in the 1st half turned this one into a rout, per Crusader press release).

Dominican 62, Lakeland 59 (Muskies' Regal missed a potential game-tying 3-pointer with 1 second left--per PBP acct off Stars' web site).

WLC 84, Marian 71  (WLC hit 14 three pointers and took control of this one midway thru first half, per Marian release).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 08, 2009, 05:02:04 PM
I had to look about 3 times at the Lakeland-Maranatha Baptist score...ouch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
2/07/09 Men's NAthCon Finals:

Benedictine 71, Concordia-WI 56 (IL Eagles pulled away in the 2nd half, per Ben press release-balanced scoring and rebounding).

Edgewood 85, Concordia-Chicago 74 (A 14-5 WI Eagle scoring run late in the 2nd sealed this win-Faurote was one of 5 Edgewood players to score in double figures, per Edgewood release).

MSOE 77, Maranatha 50 (A 22-10 MSOE scoring run in the 1st half turned this one into a rout, per Crusader press release).

Dominican 62, Lakeland 59 (Muskies' Regal missed a potential game-tying 3-pointer with 1 second left--per PBP acct off Stars' web site).

WLC 84, Marian 71  (WLC hit 14 three pointers and took control of this one midway thru first half, per Marian release).


Edgewood's in the best position at this point for a playoff spot. WLC and Benedictine are also in good shape, after that--it's a real dogfight here, folks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2009, 09:11:41 PM
Edgewood has already clinched a playoff spot and a share of first in the North actually. They need one more win to clinch the division.  RC and CUW can both clinch a playoff spot by winning on Wednesday.

BU and WLC can clinch a playoff spot with one more win. AU can clinch a spot with a win over CUC on Wednesday. MSOE needs a win and a CUC loss to clinch a berth.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 09, 2009, 04:21:16 PM
Under Just Bill's scenarios, 7 of the 8 playoff spots would be accounted for, leaving Lakeland and Marian to vie for the last one.

Lakeland's remaining schedule:  vs. Concordia-WI, at Marian, at Rockford

Marian's schedule:  at Rockford, vs. Lakeland, at Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on February 11, 2009, 12:29:32 PM
Marian will not get in, but if they do for some odd reason , they could be a team people won't want to play.  Hey, does anyone know what happened to their starting point guard from last year, Jared Holewinski, i asked earlier and no one had an answer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2009, 10:28:57 PM
South Division even tighter!

BU 10-4
MSOE 9-5
WLC 9-5
AU 9-5

Those four have clinched but seeding still up in the air.  CUC and DU are out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on February 13, 2009, 10:00:21 PM
Benedictine will win this whole thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
Thanks for the original take.

MSOE and Aurora have both won today with BU/WLC just about to tip.  If WLC wins we'll have a four-way tie on top of the South Division with all 4 teams at 10-5.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: psquonk on February 16, 2009, 07:46:33 AM
Benedictine overcame some foul trouble and got a huge win at Wisconsin Lutheran on Saturday night. After trailing by 5 at halftime, they came right out and took the lead within a couple of minutes on a Cameron Snelling breakaway dunk. Much of the second half was close but the Eagles pulled away in the last few minutes. After struggling at the line for most of the game, senior Jared Baily locked things up with six consecutive free throws in the final minutes. The game was won on the defensive end and on the boards where Ben ended up with a 48-27 advantage. After allowing Plath 13 points in the first half, they only allowed him 4 in the second. The win locked up at least a tie for first place in their division. A win Tuesday at home against rival Aurora would lock up sole posession of first. The win avenged a nine point loss at home to WLC last month and extended their winning streak to 7 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 16, 2009, 12:36:33 PM
Lakeland must beat Rockford, and hope Marian loses to Maranatha to force a tie for the last playoff spot in the North Division.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ILbornNraised on February 16, 2009, 04:09:21 PM
With Marian and Lakeland still battling for the last spot, it seems like there will be a lot of good games in the first round of the conference tournament. Upsets are bound to hanppen.

Also, with the season winding down, what are your predictions on Coach of the Year? Freshmen of the Year? Player of the Year? and All-Conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2009, 10:59:33 AM
For POY, I'm thinking Jared Bailey, BU or Chad Trudo, AU with Danny Armelin, RC an outside shot.

ROY looks like a runaway for Ben Wisniewski, EC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ILbornNraised on February 17, 2009, 11:15:13 AM
I agree with the Freshmen from Edgewood getting ROY. The POY candidates might also include Taylor from RC and Plath from WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: psquonk on February 17, 2009, 09:59:05 PM
Benedictine knocks off Aurora 74-71 to win the South division title outright.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on February 18, 2009, 10:51:07 AM
Baily gets player of the year with coach of the year to go to benedictine as well, with Coach Bunkenberg.  He has won 7 straight to get the title. There league has better teams as well. Rookie goes to kid from edgewood. Benedictine wins it all.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2009, 02:44:15 PM
In-Conference Stats Notes and Other Things:  (prior to NAthCon Challenge games).

Top-Scoring O:  WLC        Least Scoring O:  Marian
Best D:  Benedictine
Best FT%  Aurora             Worst FT%:  Marian
Best 3 FG%  Edgewood    Worst:  Marian
Best Rebounding D & O    Benedictine

Most 3's made per conference game:  WLC (avg approx 10/game)

Aurora, Edgewood and WLC would all be coming in off losses if the Tournament started today.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ILbornNraised on February 18, 2009, 02:53:45 PM
Rockford's Coach has to be up there for consideration. Going from 1-24 to finishing 2nd in the north. Agree with the other picks though. Bailey has been playing the best, especially of late. Going to be an interesting tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wcbsas on February 20, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: ILbornNraised on February 17, 2009, 11:15:13 AM
I agree with the Freshmen from Edgewood getting ROY. The POY candidates might also include Taylor from RC and Plath from WLC.
I think you have to consider Austin Meier from MSOE in the POY discussion.  On his team he's first in assists, blocks, steals and rebounds ... second in scoring.

He's among the conference leaders in FG%, assists, steals (1st), rebounding, blocks and scoring.

He's about as complete a player as there is in the conference AND he's help MSOE overacheive and improve upon last year's results.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2009, 02:54:46 PM
Bracket is set.

2009 Men's Basketball Tournament

Quarterfinals
Wednesday, Feb. 25, 7:00pm
#8 Marian vs. #1 Benedictine
    7:00pm at Benedictine University, Lisle, Ill.

#7 Wisconsin Lutheran vs. #2 Edgewood
    7:00pm at Edgewood College, Madison, Wis.

#6 Concordia Wisconsin @ #3 Rockford
    7:00pm at Rockford College, Rockford, Ill.

#5 Aurora @ #4 MSOE
    7:00pm at MSOE, Milwaukee, Wis.

Semifinals
Friday, Feb. 27, 7:00pm
#1/8 vs. #4/5
#2/7 vs. #3/6

Final
Saturday, Feb. 28, 7:00pm

http://www.northernac.org/sports/basketball_men/tournament/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on February 23, 2009, 01:56:35 PM
Wow, if my prediction was true two months ago that benedictine would win it all, i have to give myself some credit.  I know Coach bunkenberg personally and i know how much we wants this.  Eagles all the way
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2009, 12:14:23 AM
Quarterfinals
Wednesday, Feb. 25
#1 Benedictine 71, #8 Marian 64
#7 Wisconsin Lutheran 87, #2 Edgewood College 74
#3 Rockford 68, #6 Concordia Wisconsin 55
#5 Aurora 85, #4 MSOE 80

Semifinals
Friday, Feb. 27
#5 Aurora at #1 Benedictine, 7:00 p.m. (Lisle, Ill.)
#7 Wisconsin Lutheran at #3 Rockford, 7:00 p.m. (Rockford, Ill.)

BU game closer than I expected.  Not really surprised at either "upset".  WLC's Behm had a triple-double.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: psquonk on February 26, 2009, 09:36:09 AM
The Benedictine game wasn't as close as the score would indicate. Although it was a two point game at half, Benedictine opened up a 19 point lead about mid-way through the second half and it was a 15 point game with about 3 minutes to play. I hit the road at that point because the game was in hand, but my son said Marian hit a bunch of three's in the final minutes to close the gap.

Benedictine's pattern has been to struggle a bit in the first half and then turn it on in the second, but they can't afford to get down against Aurora if they want to advance to the championship game. It's going to be a helluva game Friday night. The Rice Center will be hopping!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: diego on February 26, 2009, 06:44:04 PM
Rockford College will also be hopping on Friday.  The Regents didn't play that well against Concordia (Wisc.) on Wed., but still got the W.  If the Regents keep the tempo up, they could be the last team standing.  I dont know too much about Wisco Lutheran, but if RC gets hot....WATCH OUT!  Would love to see AU coming to RC!

Coach Rebsom has really turned things around at Rockford College. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on February 26, 2009, 11:23:17 PM
Rockford has been an interesting team this season.  For a team that has had a few down years, they sure have picked things up.

I am going to take Benedictine in winning this whole thing, although Wisconsin Lutheran could give some fits.

With Plath and Behm hitting shots you have to watch out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: maxxiepad on February 27, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
AU is coming together at the right time....Hoping to see them win this conference tourney ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 27, 2009, 11:56:46 AM
Besides all the 3-pt marksmen, WLC has enough quickness to create a lot of points off turnovers from time to time. In-conference, during the regular season, the Warriors were the highest scoring team in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 27, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
UPSET ALERTS!

#5 Aurora 74, #1 Benedictine 72
#7 WLC 76, #3 Rockford 66

Aurora host WLC for the NAC's automatic bid.  Who would have thought it?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2009, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 27, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
UPSET ALERTS!

#5 Aurora 74, #1 Benedictine 72
#7 WLC 76, #3 Rockford 66

Aurora host WLC for the NAC's automatic bid.  Who would have thought it?

Not whiteowls, that's for sure. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on February 28, 2009, 12:55:45 AM
Wisconsin Lutheran down at Aurora, should be an interesting matchup...if the Warriors are hitting watch out, they will be tourney bound for the second time in just a few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2009, 10:26:54 AM
Irony.  We had a #5 seed Lakeland win the NAC Tourney at Aurora last year. This year the #5 seed Aurora could win the tourney at Aurora.  Clearly teams in this league are setting their regular season goals to high.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on February 28, 2009, 01:07:47 PM
I kinda thought this year the schools were all very balanced, night-in, night-out it was a dog fight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: maxxiepad on March 01, 2009, 05:23:37 AM
AU did it!!!! Who would have thought that AU would win the conference this year and be headed back to the NCAAs after what appeared to be a "wide-open" year in the NATHC???@@@!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 01, 2009, 10:11:23 AM
Even though WLC lost the final, the Warriors still did better than projected. Pre-season polls indicated, at best, they would have barely got in, but to beat both Edgewood and Rockford on the road and get to the final after their late season slump-I'm not complaining. :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: maxxiepad on March 01, 2009, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 01, 2009, 10:11:23 AM
Even though WLC lost the final, the Warriors still did better than projected. Pre-season polls indicated, at best, they would have barely got in, but to beat both Edgewood and Rockford on the road and get to the final after their late season slump-I'm not complaining. :) ;) :D

Absolutely, I'm just a fan of local college basketball and I saw several NAC games this year. It was a close conference all year as someone else mentioned....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2009, 04:47:27 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

Men's Bracket Projections are up. They have Aurora going to UW-Stevens Point in a 1st/2nd round pod that also includes Elmhurst and Cornell.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: maxxiepad on March 02, 2009, 11:34:14 AM
Wow, looks like AU drew  #1 Ranked St. Thomas!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:33:08 PM
Someone want to post an Aurora profile here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: whiteowls on March 03, 2009, 06:53:23 PM
My bad, I was wrong and I will admit it.  G. Sager did you play at north park
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on March 03, 2009, 07:04:46 PM
I posted up Aurora's profile for NCAA Tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 04, 2009, 11:49:53 AM
NAC All-Conference: http://northernac.org/releases/2009_03/20090303c.html

Player of the Year: Jared Bailey, Benedictine University
Freshman of the Year: Ben Wisniewski, Edgewood College
Coach of the Year: Ryan Rebsom, Rockford College
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 10:27:01 PM
No good news for NAC fans tonight.  St, Thomas hammering Aurora 58-33 early in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 12, 2009, 11:42:41 AM
Condolences to the Lakeland fans on the passing of a legend:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2009_03/20090306a.html

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 23, 2009, 05:03:04 PM
Maranatha has a new men's hoops coach:

http://www.northernac.org/releases/2009_04/20090422a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 04, 2009, 07:41:44 AM
Here's news on a prep player headed Concordia-WI's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/46856767.html

("Other college choices" section).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on June 08, 2009, 02:08:05 AM
CUW to play at Valpo next season?

http://athletics.cuw.edu/sports/mbasketball/schedule.cfm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on June 16, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
Edgewood recruits

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/news/2009/6/15/MBB_0615090830.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 18, 2009, 09:17:47 AM
Here's news on a prep hoops player headed Maranatha's direction:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/48296112.html

(Last item in "Other college choices.")
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on July 07, 2009, 02:03:51 PM
Seeing that we're in the summer "dead period", I'll throw out a few questions.

1) Do many of the NAthCon schools put out a summer release of their incoming recruits for basketball? I see that most of the CCIW or Midwest Conference schools have announced their incoming class. At this point I only found one NAthCon school that has listed their incoming group on their website.  When does the info come out for most schools; when the rosters are released in the fall?
      Is this just a case of the NAthCon schools just having to wait to scoop up the players who the other conference schools don't take and therefore don't have a recruiting class to report on yet? What's the deal? Other than relying on WLCALUM83's info via the MJS, (Thank you, WCLALUM83) I'd like to get some information.

2) I was talking to my brother who lives in the west suburbs of Chicago (and who knows nothing about the conference but a little about Aurora because of his close proximity to the campus and CUW because his nephew considered going there) and was mentioning the "strong" athletic schools in the NathCon. I said, although a number of schools have individual sports in which they are traditionally strong (Domincan in men's soccer, CUC in baseball, etc.), Aurora and CUW seem to be pretty good from top to bottom in all sports. His reply was that he was surprised that Aurora and CUW were even in the NAthCon; that there would be a better conference suited to their overall athletic "excellence". Hmm.
     A few thoughts came to mind. If an AU or CUW wanted to change conferences, are there any in the region that they could get into if they really wanted to? Is this a situation where they like being a big fish in a relatively smaller pond? Where do economics come in? Or would AU or CUW struggle athletically in the CCIW or Midwest Conference?
     Let's get some summer banter going!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 07, 2009, 02:28:32 PM
It's never even occured to me that AU and CUW are somehow the cream of the crop in the NAC.  I see that they are usually two of the schools to beat in the all-sports trophies, but I hardly think of them as dominating the league across multiple sports.  I think they're fine right where they are.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 07, 2009, 02:43:29 PM
The MWC has had several schools expresss interest in joining recently but I don't think they're in any hurry to expand. Doesn't the NathCon have enough to split and have each new conference qualify for an AQ in time ?? That might be the best route to go rather than a team leaving here and there.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 07, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
No, there's 12 men's schools and 13 women's schools.  You'd need 14 to split and still have 2 seven-team AQ conferences.  Plus you'd have to wait two years to get the AQ.  I don't think that's likely.

I always thought there should be a Wisconsin Private Schools league with the Wisconsin halves of the MWC and NAC.  I suspect that would be harder than negotiating peace in the Middle East.

I think it's all a moot point anyway.  I don't think anyone is itching to leave the NAC anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: The Roop on July 07, 2009, 05:28:45 PM
It's moot until we see what becomes of the SLIAC/UMAC "football only" merger. FYI I predict a "not perfect but could be worse" solution there. What does that have to do with our conversation ?? Hide and watch, but that could effect more conferences than is immediately apparent.

A WI Private Schools League........................... Interesting thought. My only opposition would be "Is it really necessary ??"

They may not be itching but if the MWC extended an offer Rockford would bolt in heart beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 07, 2009, 06:01:38 PM
If the Regents took that course, it'd be 3 different football leagues for that squad the last 3 seasons.

As far as a 7/7 split, (depending on the rules), I wonder how many current NAthCon squads would be willing to wait another 3 years for another AQ bid to kick in.

Just my .04
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 07, 2009, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: The Roop on July 07, 2009, 05:28:45 PM
A WI Private Schools League........................... Interesting thought. My only opposition would be "Is it really necessary ??"
Travel wise, it would be more financially prudent.  I just know that many of the MWC and NAC members don't see eye-to-eye on a number of issues, so it's probably one of those ideas that might make sense for different reasons, but just isn't likely to occur.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on July 07, 2009, 11:50:25 PM
Quote from: The Roop on July 07, 2009, 05:28:45 PM
It's moot until we see what becomes of the SLIAC/UMAC "football only" merger. FYI I predict a "not perfect but could be worse" solution there. What does that have to do with our conversation ?? Hide and watch, but that could effect more conferences than is immediately apparent.

A WI Private Schools League........................... Interesting thought. My only opposition would be "Is it really necessary ??"

They may not be itching but if the MWC extended an offer Rockford would bolt in heart beat.

I'm not certain that arrangement is on the most stable ground. The UMAC already has five of their own members (Martin Luther, Northwestern, Crown, St. Scholastica and UM-Morris). Presentation is going to add football to make it six in 2011. If one more school adds football or UM-Crookston from the NSIC decides to go to Division III (the idea has been kicked around there the past few years and the UMAC is where they would end up (UM-Morris is already there, the MIAC will never take them and there is no where else to go in D3)) the UMAC would have enough teams for an AQ, wouldn't need to wait for it to kick in since the football conference is in their name and they would never have to travel to Missouri and be able to insure that one of their own teams makes it to the NCAA playoffs every year. Granted this would be at least four years down the line but I would be encouraging my own schools to add football if I was the SLIAC. This isn't the old UMAC their playing with anymore that desperately needed members to have a conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 15, 2009, 05:24:52 PM
News about a new MBB assistant coach for Dominican here:

http://northernac.org/releases/2009/2009_07/20090709a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 16, 2009, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on July 07, 2009, 11:50:25 PM
Quote from: The Roop on July 07, 2009, 05:28:45 PM
It's moot until we see what becomes of the SLIAC/UMAC "football only" merger. FYI I predict a "not perfect but could be worse" solution there. What does that have to do with our conversation ?? Hide and watch, but that could effect more conferences than is immediately apparent.

A WI Private Schools League........................... Interesting thought. My only opposition would be "Is it really necessary ??"

They may not be itching but if the MWC extended an offer Rockford would bolt in heart beat.

I'm not certain that arrangement is on the most stable ground. The UMAC already has five of their own members (Martin Luther, Northwestern, Crown, St. Scholastica and UM-Morris). Presentation is going to add football to make it six in 2011. If one more school adds football or UM-Crookston from the NSIC decides to go to Division III (the idea has been kicked around there the past few years and the UMAC is where they would end up (UM-Morris is already there, the MIAC will never take them and there is no where else to go in D3)) the UMAC would have enough teams for an AQ, wouldn't need to wait for it to kick in since the football conference is in their name and they would never have to travel to Missouri and be able to insure that one of their own teams makes it to the NCAA playoffs every year. Granted this would be at least four years down the line but I would be encouraging my own schools to add football if I was the SLIAC. This isn't the old UMAC their playing with anymore that desperately needed members to have a conference.

The problem is that the SLIAC is going backwards in terms of football membership, not forward. Two of the SLIAC schools (Blackburn and Principia) just dropped football this year. The league's incoming member, Spalding, doesn't have football and as far as I know it's not contemplating adding it, either.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: markerickson on July 21, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
Greg:  The elimination of football at Blackburn and Principia means there are two fewer programs for North Park to defeat.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 27, 2009, 01:33:59 PM
I'm fairly sure that North Park hasn't played Blackburn in football in well over a decade, and as far as I know NPU has never met Principia on the gridiron. So, yeah, that's two fewer programs for NPU to defeat; but since the Vikings don't schedule those teams, anyway, does it really matter?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: dansand on July 28, 2009, 10:47:14 AM
Here's an article that mentions some Aurora recruits:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/sports/1688052,2_2_AU28_HOOPS_S1-090728.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/sports/1688052,2_2_AU28_HOOPS_S1-090728.article)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 28, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: dansand on July 28, 2009, 10:47:14 AM
Here's an article that mentions some Aurora recruits:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/sports/1688052,2_2_AU28_HOOPS_S1-090728.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/sports/1688052,2_2_AU28_HOOPS_S1-090728.article)

15 freshman and 4 transfers!  We're on the basketball page, not the football page, right? 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Flhoops on July 28, 2009, 05:44:21 PM
Great information on these Boards, don't know much about DIII basketball but my son will be playing in WI this year, so they have been helpful for informtation
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 01, 2009, 10:00:24 AM
Here's news about the latest development for MSOE men's hoops:

http://northernac.org/releases/2009/2009_07/20090729b.html

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: phillipst on September 18, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
Read on the front page that Coach Larson of Edgewood is being inducted into the WBCA Hall of Fame.  I just wanted to give a big and hearty congratulations to him.  Although I played against him when I was a member of CUW in the old Lake Michigan Conference and I would say our teams had some really feisty games, we knew that his teams always competed and played defense.  Congrats to Coach Larson and the Edgewood Family
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 13, 2009, 02:59:37 PM
I've heard from a very reliable source that the fabulous floor at Benedictine is being replaced. Lots of long faces at that news, I'm sure.   ;)   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: truballer on October 14, 2009, 01:56:04 AM
It is true that Benedictine is getting a new WOOD floor along with new scoreboards and roll out hoops.  About time!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: truballer on October 16, 2009, 04:44:15 PM
If there are any NAC Fans/Posters out there what are your predictions for conference this year?

Here is mine:

South:
Benedictine
MSOE
Concordia Chicago
AU
Wisc. Lutheran
Dominican

North:
Concordia Wisc.
Edgewood
Rockford
Marian
Lakeland
Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 29, 2009, 06:11:24 AM
I agree with those projections.

Just an observation--with Plath and Behm having graduated, it'll be interesting to see how WLC replaces the scoring those two previously provided.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 29, 2009, 01:53:25 PM
The NAC Coaches' Poll shook out this way:
2009-10 NAC Men's Basketball Preseason Poll

North Division
1. Edgewood (9), 67
2. Concordia Wisconsin (3), 57
3. Rockford, 51
4. Lakeland, 32
    Marian, 32
6. Maranatha, 13

South Division
1. Benedictine (5), 61
2. Aurora (4), 58
   MSOE (3), 58
4. Wisconsin Lutheran, 32
5. Concordia Chicago, 25
6. Dominican, 18

http://northernac.org/releases/2009/2009_10/20091027a.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 16, 2009, 04:42:11 PM
Time to get the basketball board cranked up folks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2009, 07:29:17 PM
Live video and audio at Loras vs. Edgewood tonight:

http://www.duhawks.com/stretch.php

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/sports/2009/7/9/GEN_0709090357.aspx

http://www2.loras.edu/~ATHLET/live/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 27, 2009, 08:07:11 AM
News about a milestone reached by a Marian player here:

http://www.marianuniversity.edu/interior.aspx?id=13588

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 27, 2009, 08:16:02 AM
NAthCon in-conference final:

Concordia-Chicago 70, Maranatha 53 (CUC box score indicates the Cougars outshot the Crusaders 53% to 39% in 2nd half to seal this one. CUC -Young 13 pts, Morgan 8 rebounds; Maranatha - Borchardt 16 pts, Stein 12 pts. 11 rebounds)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Look It Up on November 30, 2009, 02:34:08 PM
Any thoughts about Aurora's wild win over Grinnell last week at the Whitewater tournament? Looking at the box and PBP, seems like every Aurora shot was a lay-up, and they did not shoot one three for the game! Never thought I'd see that! Grinnell may be only 1-4 but I still look at this as an impressive win for Aurora. Personally speaking, I am not a fan of Grinnell's system, and I love seeing one of our conference teams shred it to pieces.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2009, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: Look It Up on November 30, 2009, 02:34:08 PM
Any thoughts about Aurora's wild win over Grinnell last week at the Whitewater tournament? Looking at the box and PBP, seems like every Aurora shot was a lay-up, and they did not shoot one three for the game! Never thought I'd see that!

That's not unusual at all. In fact, that's standard operating procedure for any team that wants to beat Grinnell. You take what the Pioneers give you, and what the Pioneers give you is uncontested layups (or at minimum a 2-on-1 opportunity) if you break their press and get the ball over the mid-court line. Since layups are the easiest shots to make in basketball, you take them when you can get them -- and against Grinnell, you'll get them if you don't turn the ball over in your backcourt first.

As a corollary to this, attempting a trey against Grinnell makes no sense. It's a much harder shot to make than a layup, and the chances of a missed trey attempt turning into a long rebound that a retreating Grinnell defender could snare are much greater than are the chances that the Pioneers will snag a defensive rebound off of a missed layup. Shooting treys, in other words, plays right into Grinnell's hands, as it maintains the frenzied uptempo pace that the Pioneers seek to establish and gives them a much better opportunity to get the ball back after an opponent's shot. Smart teams never attempt even a single trey against Grinnell. Judging by the boxscore it seems to me that Aurora coach James Lancaster, who was not born yesterday, did everything by the book in coaching that win over Grinnell.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 01, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
12/1 NAthCon finals:

Lakeland 85, Maranatha 75 (14 sec left)  (Crusaders cut deficit to 1 but couldn't get over the hump--Muskies' Schwarz 38 pts-
Regal 15 per Lakeland stats)

Concordia-Chicago 75, Dominican 68 (CUC's Morgan--18 pts, 14 rebounds, he was one of 4 Cougars in double figures  CUC 45-31 rebound advantage --also had 39 FTA compared to 14 for Dominican, per Star stats)

WLC 100, Aurora 93 (Warriors get off the schneid-)








Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on December 02, 2009, 11:00:41 AM
Since Benny is getting a new wood floor and scoreboards...are they playing their games at North Central?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 02, 2009, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: wizkiddy1304 on December 02, 2009, 11:00:41 AM
Since Benny is getting a new wood floor and scoreboards...are they playing their games at North Central?
They are playing all over for the first semester. Elmhurst, College of DuPage and North Central. That's why the publish schedules  ;)

http://athletics.ben.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbb&schedule=28&
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 02, 2009, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 02, 2009, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: wizkiddy1304 on December 02, 2009, 11:00:41 AM
Since Benny is getting a new wood floor and scoreboards...are they playing their games at North Central?
They are playing all over for the first semester. Elmhurst, College of DuPage and North Central. That's why the publish schedules  ;)

http://athletics.ben.edu/schedule.aspx?path=mbb&schedule=28&

I wondered why they played that game at COD.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 04, 2009, 04:01:30 PM
What's the early season news on ANYBODY in the NAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2009, 12:44:50 AM
Edgewood beat Aurora by three today, but Boykins didn't play for AU. I don't know why.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 06, 2009, 01:11:54 PM
Other 12/5 finals:

Rockford 61, MSOE 57 (Regents' late FT shooting sealed it for them per Rockford box score)

Lakeland 74, Benedictine 70 OT (Schwarz & Regal combined for 51 pts. -- Lakeland came back from 13 pts down in 2nd half  Schwarz hit 7-8 FT in OT to seal it --per Lakeland press release)

WLC 86, Concordia-WI 63  (S Siemers 35 and Madson 20 pts for WLC  --Warriors outshot CUW 47% to 32% from floor--per WLC box score)

Marian 81, Dominican 68  (Rankin 31 pts 17 rebounds--Sabres also had 43-27 rebounding advantage per Marian press rekease,)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2009, 09:58:39 PM
Trine and Dominican are going into doublo OT tied at 73!

developing, , ,

MSOE attempting a late charge against Aurora. . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2009, 10:12:58 PM
Final:  Aurora 99, MSOE 90  (Raiders' Meier had a double-double, Aurora hit ten 3s on the night and had 5 players score in double figures led by Magee's 31--Boykins did play in this one, --MSOE stats)

Trine and Dominican are in a 3rd OT as I post. . . 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 09, 2009, 10:30:48 PM
Final: Trine 94, Dominican 92  3 OT (Yogi "it ain't over til its' over" Berra would have loved it.)  Stars' J Turley --26  pts  Trine's Rogers hit a lay-up with 4 seconds left to win it, per Dom PBP acct


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 09, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
Trine beat Dominican, 94-92, in triple overtime. I'm kicking myself for not going to this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 10, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
Edgewood vs Lakeland tonight:

Both teams go into this one undefeated in-conference. Muskies' Schwarz and Regal have been piling up the points of late.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 10, 2009, 10:03:06 PM
Lakeland 68, Edgewood 66  Final  (Muskies' Schwarz --37 pts  Regal hit the game winning shot with 3 seconds left --Laleland stats)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 12, 2009, 10:56:24 PM
12/12 Men's Finals:

MSOE 67, Marian 64  (A Larson tip-in and an Off FT in the last 8 secs was the difference here, Off had a double-double 16 pts, 10 rebounds--per MSOE PBP acct & stats)

Dominican 83, Maranatha 78 OT (Crusaders held to 0 FGs in OT per Dominican PBP acct)

Aurora 101, CUW 86 (Spartans scored 62 first half pts--per Falcon press release)

WLC 76, Rockford 65 (Warriors went on a scoring run to break an early 40-40 2nd half tie--also made 30 FTs to Regents' 10 for entire game--WLC stats & PBP acct)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 13, 2009, 08:23:16 PM
12/13 NAthCon final:

Concordia-Chicago 82, Lakeland 72  (Cougars broke a 10-10 tie by going on a 24-7 1st half scoring run to get the upper hand in this one--CUC's Morgan and Hineman both had double-doubles per CUC stats & PBP acct.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 30, 2009, 07:44:42 AM
12/29 NAthCon finals:

MSOE 77, UW-Superior 72  OT (MSOE's Off--25 pts, Raiders outshot Superior 80% to 33% in OT --per MSOE box score)

Edgewood 67, U of Chicago 61 (Late 2nd half Maroon rally falls short--Edgewood--Wisniewski 24 pts, Barczak 16 pts--per U of Chicago box score.)

Benedictine 85, Loras 63 (IL Eagles --30 pts off Loras turnovers--Benedictine 54 2nd half pts on 62.5% FG shooting-Wow! (Grand Canyon Classic box score/analysis).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2010, 04:47:43 PM
1/2/10 halftime score:

U of Chicago 37, MSOE 23 (Maroons shot 58% in first half)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
Final: MSOE 64, U of Chicago 62 (Deacon and Meier had several baskets to spark a 2nd half Raider rally and Off came thru with a bucket and FT in last 1 1/2 minutes, and a potential last second game-winning 3 for the Maroon men missed, per stats and U of Chicago PBP acct)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2010, 06:07:54 PM
Another final:  Rockford 88, Beloit 78 (Regents' Malone led 3 players in double figures scoring with 20 pts, they hit 8 from beyond the arc --both squads shot better than 55% from the floor for the whole game--per Beloit stats)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
1/3/10 final:  Lakeland 75, Cornell 72 (Muskies took lead with 2 1/2 min. left and then hit their FTs to seal it-per Lakeland release. Schwarz and Regal had 31 and 17 pts respectively)   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 06, 2010, 12:46:03 PM
Anyone have stats on the outcome of MWC/NathCon non-conference matchups for this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 06, 2010, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on January 06, 2010, 12:46:03 PM
Anyone have stats on the outcome of MWC/NathCon non-conference matchups for this year?

MWC 9, NAthCon 6
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 06, 2010, 10:12:48 PM
1/6/10 final:

CUW 73, Marian 56 (Sabers trailed 30-29 at the half, but the Falcons used a big scoring run out of the gate in the 2nd --per Marian box score)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 07, 2010, 06:10:33 AM
Benedictine 91, Concordia-Chicago 72 (IL Eagles shot 73% from the floor in 2nd half--Snelling had a double-double--per CUC box score)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on January 12, 2010, 01:17:06 PM
How does everyone think the regular season will shake out. Who is going to make the post-season tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 14, 2010, 12:06:58 AM
1/13/10 finals:

Marian 76, Lakeland 69 (Hudak 19 pts, Rankin 17 pts, 11 rebounds, per Marian release)

MSOE 62, CUC 53 (Meier a double-double 20 pts, 10 rebounds-Off 15 pts) CUC was held to 27% shooting from floor for the game--per MSOE stats

Edgewood 84, Rockford 76

Dominican 77, Aurora 75 (Patterson hit a jumper with 2 seconds left for the win--Spartan shoot 59% from floor in 2nd half --and still take a loss)  --source is Stars box score/PBP acct)

Benedictine 86, WLC 77 (IL Eagles shoot 60% from floor for the game-per WLC release)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 14, 2010, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: wizkiddy1304 on January 12, 2010, 01:17:06 PM
How does everyone think the regular season will shake out. Who is going to make the post-season tournament?

While its' still early yet, with 1/13 results- Edgewood gave itself some breathing room in the North -- if Benedictine continues its' torrid shooting, that squad should come out of the South dogfight in good shape--and the South really turned into a dogfight with tonight's results (WLC & CUC losing)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 19, 2010, 09:46:55 PM
1/19/10 finals:

Lakeland 72, CUW 66 (With the Falcons up 61-60, Andrews hit two straight 3s, and Regal got a bucket to spark a late run and put the Muskies ahead for good, per Lakeland box score)

MSOE 73, WLC 62   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 21, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
1/21/10 finals:

Rockford 80, Lakeland 74 (Regents' Williams 22 pts led 4 Rockford players in double figures-per Lakeland stats)

Dominican 83, MSOE 76 (Stars erupted for 50 2nd half pts to erase a 7 point half-time deficit-Nelson scored 31 pts- per Stars stats)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 25, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Thank you WLCALUM83 for keeping the board posted on results. (Even though everyone else is waiting for football season :()

This league is mind-bogglingly evenly matched. Can you legitimately pick a favorite to win either division at this juncture or even say for sure who will make the playoffs? Nobody is safe at this point.

I had a chance to see the CUC-Marian game last weekend, a game CUC managed to pull out. It was a just a grind-it-out game for both teams; every possesion was precious and the intensity demanded 35 seconds of defense every shot clock possession.

A few observations from watching a few of CUCs games on the video stream:

- Either there are some really good shooters in this league or the 3 point defense is lacking. Aurora, Marian, and WLC just lit it up from outside. Are most teams this perimeter oriented?

- Most teams have a decent starting five, but in this league I think that depth just isn't what it is in other dIII conferences in the area.

Let's get this board going again!






   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 26, 2010, 06:08:36 AM
Benedictine (206 3s attempted --80 made) and Dominican (203 attempted--66 made) have also been lanuching a lot of 3s in conference this season. (If memory serves correctly-3s have been a big chunk of Dominican's game the last few seasons anyway.)

Marian has attempted 124 3s so far in-conference and 24 of them were in the game RF took in (Rankin had only 8 pts, so perhaps CUC was making more of an effort to deny Marian's talls the ball down low)

Aurora's given up 89 3s (3 pt FG % D so far 39%)

As far as the conference race, Edgewood had a bit of breathing room--until Maranatha knocked them off.
Can you say "let's get to a point just one step shy of going to a boat-load of coin-flips" :-X :-\ ???

:) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
1/27/10 finals:

MSOE 67, Benedictine 55 (4 Raider players scored in double-figures, Off had a double-double--17 pts 13 rebounds--MSOE had a 35-22 advantage on rebounds--per MSOE box score)

CUC 78, Dominican 61 (Trailing 16-12 at one point, the Cougars went on a 28-4 scoring run-Stars got no closer than 9 points after that--CUC's Morgan had a double-double --23 pts, 16 rebounds, 4 Cougars scored in double figures and that squad also outrebounded the Stars 48-29, per CUC box score/PBP acct)

Marian 72, Edgewood 65  OT  (Sabers hit every shot they attempted in the extra session--4 Marian players scored in double-figures and Sabers outshot the WI Eagle squad 50% to 41% from floor for entire game, per Marian box score/PBP acct)

CUW 72, Rockford 70 (Falcons' Schneider hit 2 FTs with 2 seconds left, then a potential game-winning 3 by Regents' Weber missed-- Rockford shot 59% from floor for game-and still lost--per Regent box score/PBP acct)
scl  

Aurora 80, WLC 75

(With those results, CUC has a bit of distance in the South--next 2 in-conference opponents--CUW and Benedictine--both on the road--let's see if anyone takes charge)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 29, 2010, 12:11:46 PM
Today begins the 59th annual Concordia Invitational Tournament, this year hosted by Concordia Wisconsin. The CIT tournament dates from 1951 and is one of the oldest continuous college basketball tournaments in existence. A sidelight to this year's tounrament is that the opening round game between CUW and CUC counts in the NAC league standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2010, 07:02:01 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on January 29, 2010, 12:11:46 PM
Today begins the 59th annual Concordia Invitational Tournament, this year hosted by Concordia Wisconsin. The CIT tournament dates from 1951 and is one of the oldest continuous college basketball tournaments in existence. A sidelight to this year's tounrament is that the opening round game between CUW and CUC counts in the NAC league standings.


Heard CUC lost the opening round game by a point.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 30, 2010, 07:11:10 PM
1/30/10 NAthCon finals:

Edgewood 57, MSOE 56  1 sec remaining 2nd half  (WI Eagles' Barczak hit 3 FTs with 1 second left after drawing a foul on a 3 attempt--Edgewood was shooting at a torrid pace in the 1st half, MSOE came out of the halftime break --went on a10-0 scoring run, and the game stayed tight after that -per MSOE stats)

WLC 90, Lakeland 71
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 31, 2010, 06:32:51 AM
Aurora 84, Marian 57 (Spartans connected on 18 3s for the game-per Marian press release)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 31, 2010, 11:03:44 AM
Not only did Aurora make 18 threes, Marian went 0-for-16.

Big night for three-point shooting in the NAC.  CUW hit 14-for-17 (82.4 percent) from three in beating Concordia Nebraska. They had 10 different players make a 3-pointer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 01, 2010, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 31, 2010, 11:03:44 AM
Big night for three-point shooting in the NAC.  CUW hit 14-for-17 (82.4 percent) from three in beating Concordia Nebraska. They had 10 different players make a 3-pointer.

Oh my.

I noticed that after CUC's one point loss to CUW, their top two scorers played a total of 12 minutes in their consolation loss to Concordia - Ann Arbor. (C James Morgan didn't play at all due to "flu-like symptoms" according to the audio feed and PG Deontay Young played 12 minutes.) It did give some floor time to a number of young players and others who wouldn't otherwise see alot of action, and from the scoring rundown it looks as though they stepped up somewhat as CUC "hung around" until around the 5 minute mark.

Things haven't settled down in either division of the NAC in the past week; in fact both divisions seem to have tightened up even more. This last few weeks is going to be a grind.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2010, 10:31:21 PM
2/2 finals

WLC 82, Dominican 68 (Warriors' S Siemers a double-double--18 pts 10 rebounds--WLC outshot the Stars 53% to 39% and had a 41-29 rebounding edge-per Warrior stats)

Lakeland 69, Edgewood 55 (Schwarz had a double=double and Muskies' clutch FT shooting in 2nd half was difference--Lakeland press release)

Rockford 82, Maranatha 64 (Regents shot 66% from floor in 1st half--per Rockford box)   

CUW 97, Marian 89
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 06, 2010, 06:56:26 PM
2/6 NAthCon finals:

Lakeland 70, Dominican 69 (Muskies' Schwarz hit game-winning bucket-per Lakeland stats)

MSOE 59, Maranatha 50 (3 Raiders scored in double-figures-MSOE stats)

Marian 72, WLC 71

Benedictine 70, CUW 66

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 07, 2010, 11:17:09 AM
Another 2/6 NathCon final:

CUC - 81  Edgewood - 67 (Young-21 pts.; Morgan-18pts./10 rbs.; Mike Lichtenheld with what must be a career high with 14pts. off the bench.) It was nice to see CUC get some bench points last night after a total of 2 bench points in their win over Benedictine last Tuesday.

From here on out it looks like inter-(or is that "intra"?-I always get those confused.)division play from here on out - except for maybe WLC who has to make a game up out of division(?).

I still think that the south division is totally up for grabs in regards to playoff spots with nobody eliminated from playoff (top four) contention yet. In fact, I don't even know if anyone has even clinched a playoff spot yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 07, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
Can any one tell me who the best team in this league is?  At various times this season I think I could have made arguments for MSOE, CUC, CUW, EC, LC, WLC, AU, BU and maybe a couple of others.

C'mon fellas does anyone want to win this thing?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 07, 2010, 07:09:44 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 07, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
Can any one tell me who the best team in this league is?  At various times this season I think I could have made arguments for MSOE, CUC, CUW, EC, LC, WLC, AU, BU and maybe a couple of others.

C'mon fellas does anyone want to win this thing?

"Coin flips, coin flips
  coin fliips, coin flips. . . "
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 08, 2010, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 07, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
Can any one tell me who the best team in this league is?  At various times this season I think I could have made arguments for MSOE, CUC, CUW, EC, LC, WLC, AU, BU and maybe a couple of others.


I think that we won't know the best team in the league until February 27, the date of the league tournament championship game.  I get the feeling that while many teams have several good players, no one team has three or four dominant players so as to be head and shoulders above the rest of the league. There's just a lot of parity in the league this year. Another way to show the parity in the league is that there is probably no team in the league that will finish with less than 5 losses! (CUC has only four losses right now, but finish up by playing the next three teams behind them in the South -  two of them on the road.)

The great equalizer, is of course, that with the way that the 3 point shooting goes, whoever gets hot on a given night can beat almost anyone else in this league. (Witness CUW's performance vs. Seward or Aurora's 18 3's vs. Marian.)

I do think that the south division is a little stonger overall than the north, but of the teams you mentioned, I think that five can legitimately be in the running for the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2010, 05:51:33 PM
From here on out all NAthCon squads play teams in their own division. CUC can get some distance (Aurora on the road, MSOE at home, WLC on the road --Cougars have won their last 2 games at WLC's "Rex")
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2010, 06:01:28 PM
NAthCon South head to head advantages:

Aurora beat MSOE twice
CUC beat Dominican twice

No other head to head advantages in
south at this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2010, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 08, 2010, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 07, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
Can any one tell me who the best team in this league is?  At various times this season I think I could have made arguments for MSOE, CUC, CUW, EC, LC, WLC, AU, BU and maybe a couple of others.


I think that we won't know the best team in the league until February 27, the date of the league tournament championship game.  I get the feeling that while many teams have several good players, no one team has three or four dominant players so as to be head and shoulders above the rest of the league. There's just a lot of parity in the league this year. Another way to show the parity in the league is that there is probably no team in the league that will finish with less than 5 losses! (CUC has only four losses right now, but finish up by playing the next three teams behind them in the South -  two of them on the road.)

The great equalizer, is of course, that with the way that the 3 point shooting goes, whoever gets hot on a given night can beat almost anyone else in this league. (Witness CUW's performance vs. Seward or Aurora's 18 3's vs. Marian.)

I do think that the south division is a little stonger overall than the north, but of the teams you mentioned, I think that five can legitimately be in the running for the AQ.


Regarding 3's-per in-conference stats at this point ironically CUC's attempted the fewest 3s while the opposition has launched a total among the most in the NAthCon. Cougars highly ranked in terms of rebounding and D as well. With D Young and Morgan providing a consistent chunk of scoring, the losses they've had haven't caused them to slip.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 09, 2010, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 08, 2010, 06:18:02 PM
With D Young and Morgan providing a consistent chunk of scoring, the losses they've had haven't caused them to slip.  

One factor that I didn't mention that I think is a huge factor in team success in this league (and probably throughout college athletics) is upperclassmen. I'll speak to CUC's very recent success in football and now basketball. (And by very recent I mean this year.) People say to me, "What happened to their football team? They set a school record for wins." or "This is the best record the basketball team has had in about 10-15 years. What's the deal?"
    I just tell them that for the first time in about, oh, 15-20 years, they aren't relying on freshman and sophomores for the bulk of the playing time.  I would be curious to look back at the teams that have dominated the NAC (and the previous conferences) and check the ratio of upperclassmen to underclassmen they had as contributors. CUC starts a senior, three juniors, and a sophomore, and almost every sub that plays is a junior except for a couple of freshmen who see a few minutes a game. I know that talent is great, but experience is underrated, I think.


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2010, 05:16:18 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 07, 2010, 11:17:09 AM
From here on out it looks like inter-(or is that "intra"?-I always get those confused.)

"Inter-" means between two separate things. "Intra-" means within one discrete thing. Inter-divisional play in the NAthCon takes place between North and South Division teams, while intra-divisional play takes place within each division.

A good way to keep track of which prefix is which is to remember that the U.S. interstate highway system connects the various states, or that an intercom allows voice communication between two separate locations. Or, conversely, that intramurals are games played between students who attend the same school. (Or you could use the R-rated version, which is that sexual intercourse involves two people. ;))
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
Wow.  How do you know when your message board is suffering from lack of participation?

When it resorts to English lessons from Professor Sager in mid-February. (And that's the most interesting thing on there.)  ;)

I'm kidding, actually it was just getting good after being kept alive on WLCALUM83's score update defibrillator for three months.

P.S.  I passed on a rather obvious "intracourse" joke.  I do have standards.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2010, 06:21:15 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 09, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
P.S.  I passed on a rather obvious "intracourse" joke.  I do have standards.

Boo, hiss. Given the lack of activity in this room, Bill, dragging the discussion down into the gutter might be just what the doctor ordered. ;)

But you're right about the fact that WLCALUM83 has done yeoman work in at least keeping the room on life support with his updates. Kudos, WLCA.

It's a shame that this room has been so quiet, since the NAthCon is a pretty exciting free-for-all this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2010, 09:52:27 PM
2/10/10 finals:

Dominican 63, Benedictine 54 (M Turley 23 pts, Mandic a double double, Stars outshot IL Eagles from field 48% to 32%  per Dominican stats)

MSOE 66, WLC 54

CUW 82, Lakeland 48  :o ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 11, 2010, 06:50:04 AM
More 2/10 results:

Aurora 83, CUC 81 (Spartans hit 13 threes on the night-a potential last-second game-winning 3 by Cougars' Morgan was off the mark-per CUC box score/PBP acct)

Rockford 85, Marian 82 (2 Malone FT's with 1:13 left put Regents ahead to stay on the road-Marian PBP acct).

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 11, 2010, 07:08:46 AM
NAthCon North standings indicate that CUW has clinched a playoff spot:

Edgewood:  2/11@ Maranatha; 2/13 vs. Rockford; 2/16 @ CUW
Rockford:   2/13 @ Edgewood; 2/16 vs. Lakeland
Lakeland:   2/13 vs. Marian; 2/16 @ Rockford
Marian:  2/13 @ Lakeland; 2/16 vs. Maranatha

(Should the Sabres lose their last 2 games they'd be eliminated from NAthCon playoff contention).

NAthCon North head to head advantages so far: (in event of a 2-team tie)

Lakeland beat Edgewood twice
Rockford beat Marian twice
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 11, 2010, 07:21:23 AM
More South tie-breaker advantages: (2 way ties)

MSOE beat WLC twice
Dominican beat Benedictine twice

(Warriors are in a bit of a slump right now.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2010, 10:03:14 AM
Emphatic win for CUW.  I declare them the best team in the league....until the next game when everything will change again.  At least we know we have one team in the tournament for sure.

With a win over MBBC tonight, EC will be just one win or one MU loss away from clinching a berth.  Of course MBBC beat EC in Madison earlier this year so nothing is given in this league.

I don't have an advanced degree high enough to sort out the South Division.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 12, 2010, 08:05:11 AM
WI Eagles club was bound and determined not to let history repeat itself--

Edgewood 81, Maranatha 50 (WI Eagles take advantage of poor Crusader D and shoot 76% in first half--per Maranatha press release)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 12, 2010, 10:31:06 AM
The South Division just tightens up. I tried to figure if either Aurora or CUC had clinched a spot in the tournament, but after looking at the tournament seeding criteria and realizing that I don't have the time to figure out all the scenarios, I though I'd just let the weekend play out. Suffice it to say, Dominican would have to win out (and that's three wins, not two, for them.) and both Aurora or CUC would have to lose their last two games to even throw them in to the tie breaker formula.

As for everyone else, I guess it's possible that everyone still has a chance, even Benedictine, but then there's that tie-breaking criteria again. My picks for the weekend in the South:

MSOE @ CUC - I don't think that CUC has beaten MSOE in awhile, and it seems that they're just not a good matchup for CUC. (Off has dominated them in the past.) But CUC has played pretty well at home despite not getting alot of fan support :( CUC in a nailbiter.

AU @ DU - Dominican answered the bell against Bennie, and they did nip Aurora in Aurora, but Aurora seems to have more of a swagger and experience in "playing for something" in tournament play; plus they're playing for a 1st place seed. The Turleys combine for 50, but Aurora hits more than 15 3's to win and clinch a spot for them and CUC in the tournament. (How's that for a prediction?)

WLC @ BU - Benedictine wasn't the preseason pick to win the division for nothing - they do have some talent, and WLC is stumbling a little. BU playing for their life - Benedictine.



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2010, 05:58:49 PM
2/13 updates:

Marian 35, Lakeland 30  half

Aurora 47, Dominican 35  2:45 left in 1st half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 13, 2010, 07:08:01 PM
2/13 finals:

Lakeland 84, Marian 73 (Regal's 27 pts paced 4 Muskie players in double figures to offset Sabre's Rankin's double-double. Muskies hit their FTs late to seal this one at home-per Lakeland stats)

Aurora 86, Dominican 71 (Stars had 22 turnovers to Spartans' 11 and Aurora outshot Dominican 49% to 42% from floor, per Dominican stats)

Benedictine 91, WLC 84

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2010, 07:58:00 PM
EC beats Rockford and MBBC stuns CUW setting up a winner-take-all for first showdown in the North next Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 15, 2010, 12:23:36 PM
Following the weekend's games:

- In the North, Edgewood plays at CUW (following their shocking loss to MBBC on Saturday) on Tuesday for the division crown.

- Lakeland @ Rockford play for tournament seeding as they have both clinched a playoff berth. (Rockford owns the head to head over Marian if they lose to Lakeland and tie Marian for fourth.)

In the South:

- Aurora wins, clinches a tie for first, and locks up a tournament spot for themselves and MSOE and CUC. I believe they own the tiebreaker with MSOE if only those two tie for first.

- MSOE continues its mastery over CUC, with both getting a spot in the tournament with Domincan's loss to Aurora.  Both could still end up in a tie for first with Aurora. If that happens . . . tie breaker city, although I don't think CUC would be in the picture based on division records of the three.

- Benedictine wins and keeps their tournament hopes alive. There could be a three way tie for the last playoff spot . . . more tie-breaker city.

- WLC and to some extent CUC are struggling to the finish line. WLC has two games left and I believe could even lose one of the two and still make the tournament (although WLCALUM83 probably knows the exact tiebreaker situation).

- Then there's Domincan. They could end up playing WLC in the last game on Thursday with the last playoff spot on the line.  

2/16 PICKS: How's this for a gutless set of picks: Every home team wins. (And not just because they're home teams. I think the home teams are either better, are playing for more, or in the case of CUW, get a large boost from playing at home.  Also, I think bus legs comes into effect this late in the season  on a Tuesday night.)

Enjoy the last week!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2010, 09:49:25 PM
If Benedictine and WLC finished in a 2 way tie, the IL Eagles would hold the advantage (having beaten MSOE once, whereas the Warriors were swept by the Raiders)

Should the Warriors split their last 2 and Dominican and Benedictine lose out, WLC would get in. If Benedictine beats Aurora, WLC would have to win out to get in.   











Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 16, 2010, 11:16:50 PM
2/16 finals:

CUW 67, Edgewood 65 (A late rally at home gave the Falcons the North title, per Concordia-WI release)

CUC 95, WLC 88

Rockford 76, Lakeland 68 (A 21-7 early 2nd-half Regent scoring run was the difference here, Rockford outshot Lakeland from floor 55% to 36% for game, per IL squad box score/PBP acct)  
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 16, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
This just in--Updated NAthCon standings indicate Aurora has beaten Benedictine and MSOE beat Dominican

WLC has been given another chance--if the Warriors beat Domincan, they get the last spot, if they lose, they fall into a 3-way tie with the Stars and IL Eagles)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2010, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 16, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
This just in--Updated NAthCon standings indicate Aurora has beaten Benedictine and MSOE beat Dominican

WLC has been given another chance--if the Warriors beat Domincan, they get the last spot, if they lose, they fall into a 3-way tie with the Stars and IL Eagles)

The winner of WLC-Dominican will get the #4 spot in the South.  The loser will be #6.  Benedictine has been eliminated and will be #5 no matter what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 18, 2010, 10:18:53 PM
Dominican wraps up the last tournament conference spot with a 70-59 win at home against WLC.  WLC just ran out of gas the last two weeks of the season.

The bottom half of the tournament teams (seeds #5-8) are set before the "crossover" games this Saturday are played. None of the coaches of these teams would rest some of their key players a bit for these games, would they? I can't see it, but what do you think?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 21, 2010, 03:31:04 PM
NAC Crossover (Challenge Results (w/o scores)

CUW over Aurora by 1 to gain the top seed in the tournament. This is pretty big for them as they have played only one game away from home in their last nine.)
MSOE over Edgewood  
Rockford over CUC
Lakeland over Dominican
Benedictine over Marian  
WLC over Maranatha


For the Feb. 23 games:
#8 Dominican @ #1 CUW - Dominican has some nice wins this year, but CUW is on a roll, winning their last 7 of 9. Plus, they play well at home having only lost two there all season.  CUW - for this game.

#7 Lakeland @ #2 Aurora -  Too much firepower for the Muskies. Aurora had won eight in a row before their one point loss to CUW in the cross-over. Aurora

#6 Rockford @ #3 MSOE - Another team on a roll  (Rockford's won 5 of their last 6) against MSOE, who's won their last four.  I really like MSOE, except I think Rockford's playing loose and with confidence. Crazy pick - Rockford.

#5 CUC @ #4 Edgewood - The only game where at least one of the teams isn't playing well late in the season. Edgewood's lost 4 out of their last 6, while CUC has lost 3 out of 4. CUC - but Morgan's going to have to take more than three shots as was the case vs. Rockford. CUC gets another shot at CUW. CUC


Truthfully, I don't think that there is all that much separating these eight teams.  No "upset" would surprise me.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2010, 11:24:58 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 21, 2010, 03:31:04 PM
NAC Crossover (Challenge Results (w/o scores)

CUW over Aurora by 1 to gain the top seed in the tournament. This is pretty big for them as they have played only one game away from home in their last nine.)
MSOE over Edgewood 
Rockford over CUC
Lakeland over Dominican
Benedictine over Marian 
WLC over Maranatha


For the Feb. 23 games:
#8 Dominican @ #1 CUW - Dominican has some nice wins this year, but CUW is on a roll, winning their last 7 of 9. Plus, they play well at home having only lost two there all season.  CUW - for this game.

#7 Lakeland @ #2 Aurora -  Too much firepower for the Muskies. Aurora had won eight in a row before their one point loss to CUW in the cross-over. Aurora

#6 Rockford @ #3 MSOE - Another team on a roll  (Rockford's won 5 of their last 6) against MSOE, who's won their last four.  I really like MSOE, except I think Rockford's playing loose and with confidence. Crazy pick - Rockford.

#5 CUC @ #4 Edgewood - The only game where at least one of the teams isn't playing well late in the season. Edgewood's lost 4 out of their last 6, while CUC has lost 3 out of 4. CUC - but Morgan's going to have to take more than three shots as was the case vs. Rockford. CUC gets another shot at CUW. CUC


Truthfully, I don't think that there is all that much separating these eight teams.  No "upset" would surprise me.


No argument with any of your picks--possible "X" factors, though.

Dominican's Turley's didn't start in the Challange game. Don't know how much of a difference that'll
make.

Will Lakeland's Schwarz be avalilable to play? He's missed the last several games.

CUC game-yeah, the Cougars should just keep pounding it inside, since they don't rely on the 3 that much anyway. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2010, 08:46:11 PM
NAthCon Playoff Updates:

Rockford 29, MSOE 29 --half

Aurora 36, Lakeland 22 --half

Concordia-Chicago 32, Edgewood 30 --half



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2010, 09:47:20 PM
Finals:

MSOE 68, Rockford 63  (Off & Meier had double-doubles, Deacon poured in 14 pts, a late Raider scoring run sealed this win at home-per MSOE stats)

Aurora 86, Lakeland 56

Concordia-Chicago 71, Edgewood 60 (Cougars got off to a slow start early, but came back late in 1st half, and maintained a lead in the 2nd-Edgewood stats)


Semi-Final matchups:

MSOE at Aurora

Concordia-Chicago vs. Dominican-CUW winner
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2010, 11:22:24 PM
#8 Dominican scores 65 second half points and stuns #1 CUW 88-76.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2010, 12:54:55 PM
All four teams in the NAthCon final four are South Division teams. Interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 24, 2010, 04:06:31 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2010, 12:54:55 PM
All four teams in the NAthCon final four are South Division teams. Interesting.

Although the North split the "Challenge" (crossover) games last weekend, I'm not too terribly surprised by the South's sweep in the quarterfinals (although anytime you get a #8 over a #1 it makes your raise your eyebrows)as I thought the South was stronger overall than the North. I think what this all means, especially Domincan's win over CUW, is that there's just not much separating the teams in this league - there are no dominating teams. (But still -the Stars scoring 65 :o in the second half? Yeouch.)
With that being said:

Semi-finals:
MSOE @ Aurora - I just don't know what to think about this game. I've liked MSOE all year (even though I picked them to be upset in the quarters), but Aurora is really hitting their stride right now. Aurora

Dominican @ CUC - Domincan takes the 3 minute drive down Division to visit the Cougars. I wish I could have seen their 2nd half vs. CUW. 65 points? 38 free throws? M. Turley goes for 25? When a team is hot, they're just hot. Then CUC catches a break when Edgewood's starting center and 6th man can't play, survive getting down 11-0 to start the game, but come back and take out EC. I have a funny feeling that CUC's guards match up well with Dominican's and Morgan continues where he left off vs. Edgewood. (20pts./14 rbs.) CUC  

But if the championship is Domincan vs. MSOE, who's surprised? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2010, 08:33:08 PM
This posters' semi-final projections:

I'll agree on Aurora. (Off and Meier must continue their offensive production for the Raiders to have a chance)

I'm going with CUC in a tight one in the other one though, (in both of the earlier matchups, the Cougars had a big rebounding edge on the Stars, although if Dominican is hitting on the 3s. . . . and Turley has another huge game scoring. . . )
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2010, 11:39:39 PM
Men's NAthCon Playoff Finals:

Aurora 87, MSOE 80  (Spartans had half the number of turnovers the Raiders did, and also got to the line a lot more, too-per Aurora stats)

Dominican 82, Concordia-Chicago 79 (Despite being outrebounded again, the Stars hit 11 3s on the night. Cougars' D Young had two chances to tie the game in the final seconds, but both of his 3 attempts missed-per CUC PBP acct)


Dominican vs. Aurora in the final.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 27, 2010, 03:45:04 PM
Haven't been able to comment on the semis/final, so . . .

Aurora seems primed and ready. I think last year's tournament experience has helped them.

Dominican - what can you say. This team is hot and loose. (Uh - no comments from the peanut gallery on that choice of words.) Okay, they're shooting very well and playing with poise and without being tense.  ;) Marquis Turley is playing like he played when I saw him play for Concordia - Ann Arbor - just taking over games by relentlessly taking the ball to the rack in addition to shooting from outside quite well. I think the bonus was having (I've heard both cousin and brother) Jovan Turley step up with 20 points of his own. How they'll do against Aurora might be another story, but I wouldn't count them out.

CUC played a gritty game, but as CUW did in the quarters, allowed Dominican to dictate tempo in the second half. I thought it was key that Domincan cut an 11 point deficit with about two minutes left in the first half down to two within a minute and went in the lockerroom only down two. A late rally, and two last minute 3's, fell short to end the Cougar's season with their first winning record in 15 years.

I think this conference will be much better next year as most teams are returning a bulk of their talent. When does the all-conference team come out?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 27, 2010, 04:49:29 PM
Second year in a row Aurora knocks off a low-seed in the final, this time beating Dominican 70-64. (Spartans had a 49-37 edge on rebounds and again got to the line more than the Stars-per Aurora stats.)   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on February 28, 2010, 01:37:50 PM
Congrats to the Spartan senior class on winning the fourth consecutive NAC championship as well as NCAA bid. AU has won 17 of their last 21 after starting the year 1-6.

For the AU program this years NCAA bid is the Spartans eighth appearance since 1997-1998 and seventh apperance since 2000-2001.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2010, 02:04:12 PM
Aurora heads to Carthage to face the host Red Men.  St. Thomas plays Anderson (IN) in the other match.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 09:48:36 PM
Carthage up 33-25 with 2:27 to go in first half.  POTY Lance Robinson scoreless for AU.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 09:56:17 PM
Carthage leads 38-32 at half. Robinson still without a point, but Iventosch (7-8, 15 pts) and Magee (13 pts) are keeping them in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 05, 2010, 09:58:09 PM
4 assist and 2 reb..0 points for Lance
AU hanging in so far, carthage is shooting lights out from 3..I have live stats up, video feed wont work for me
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: keith45 on March 05, 2010, 09:58:09 PM
4 assist and 2 reb..0 points for Lance
AU hanging in so far, carthage is shooting lights out from 3..I have live stats up, video feed wont work for me

Not gonna happen AU fans.  Carthage up 75-61 with 3:44 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 05, 2010, 10:57:33 PM
Carthage finishes off AU 84-70.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 27, 2010, 03:00:42 AM
News of a recruit who was considering Benedictine and Aurora.......

North Central is getting Adam LeTourneau, a 6-4 guard from Batavia H.S...

http://www.kcchronicle.com/blogs/entries/2010/04/09/60907517/index.xml

 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on June 09, 2010, 11:42:56 AM
Why is it that other dIII schools in the midwest announce their recruits in spring, but there's not much news from the NathCon schools? Is it:
a) As a group they're low on the list for recruits and therefore pick up the "leftovers" which doesn't happen until late spring/ early summer. (Man, that's pretty harsh for me to even think that.).)
b) They're just not sure who's actually going to show up in the fall, so they don't want to go out on a limb and announce who they think are coming. (Hmmm.)
c) It's conference policy not to announce. (I'm sure that's not the case.)
c) Some schools have announced their recruits but I'm too lazy to check out their websites.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 09, 2010, 12:36:02 PM
I think there are multiple reasons....

The NCAA requires that a recruit must have paid their tuition deposit before any announcement can be made.  Frankly, I think that some schools are just loose with this rule.

Some D-III schools fear announcing their recruits too early, or at all, because they worry about a scholarship school swooping in at the last second and stealing a recruit away.  With no LOIs there's really no protection for a D-III school from that sort of thing happening.

Some D-III schools simply don't feel that announcing recruits during the summer aligns with D-III philosophy.

Announcing of recruits at the D-III level is fairly new phenomon and is mostly confined to the Midwest.  You'll find very few East Coast and West Coast D-III's doing it.  To the best of my recollection the WIAC football teams were the first to really start doing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on June 09, 2010, 03:57:44 PM
JB:
    Thanks for the response.
    Frankly I think it's sort of interesting when I go to a school's basketball website about this time of year and about all I see are the obligitory picture(s) of the "signing ceremony" of a recruit with pen in hand and his future college coach (and maybe the recruit's parents and high school coach) in the recruit's high school's library sitting behind a table draped with his chosen college's logo.  
    Although this event may be more of an NAIA/scholarship/LOI thing, I wonder for how many of these young men and women, this is the most cherished moment of their entire basketball career. (And that is a topic for another time - maybe once the dog days of summer have set in.)
 
     
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 08, 2010, 05:08:23 PM
Benedictine recruiting---

Alex Edmondson, a 6'2" 175 lb. guard from Waubonsie Valley HS in Aurora, IL will be attending Benedictine next year. He averaged 6.0 ppg, and in 27 games, he had 32 assists, 15 steals, and 34 rebounds. Consistency has been a problem for him as he tends to show strongly in one game and virtually disappear the next. Good quickness. Has some potential, but must develop a stronger work ethic and learn to take direction from the coaching staff.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: palum on August 12, 2010, 05:07:54 PM
Edgewood get a D2 transfer from MN Duluth

http://host.madison.com/sports/amateur/article_c32f595a-a636-11df-b073-001cc4c03286.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on October 13, 2010, 04:32:02 PM
Man, is this board asleep . . .  Here's something to maybe get the fingers on the keyboard.

I looked over the CUC roster (earliest I've ever seen it out) and it looks like they just took the entire roster from 2009-2010 and just copy and pasted it to 2010-2011 with the addition of some new recruits. Seriously, when you have 11 seniors listed on the roster, many who don't see much time at all, that says something about something. :D  Love the coach? Love being part of the team?

A quick Google check on some of their recruits reveals that they run the gamut from guys who may not have even played HS ball to a couple of transfers who were major contributers on their respective successful HS state semifinalist teams in Florida (all-state HM) and Michigan (starter on the top ranked class A team in 2008-2009) and everything in between. It will be interesting to see how they work into playing time mix since basically every person on the roster returns. (And it was a big roster in 2009-2010!)  Not much new height, so Morgan will shoulder the load again.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 27, 2010, 07:35:56 PM
Edgewood and CUC are picked to win divisions in the NAC.  Notice too, the rotating divisions have WLC moving to the North and Rockford in the South for the next two-year cycle.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3912
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2010, 08:11:41 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 27, 2010, 07:35:56 PM
Edgewood and CUC are picked to win divisions in the NAC.  Notice too, the rotating divisions have WLC moving to the North and Rockford in the South for the next two-year cycle.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3912
which absolutely makes no sense in terms of building Division identity and rivalries.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2010, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2010, 08:11:41 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on October 27, 2010, 07:35:56 PM
Edgewood and CUC are picked to win divisions in the NAC.  Notice too, the rotating divisions have WLC moving to the North and Rockford in the South for the next two-year cycle.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=3912
which absolutely makes no sense in terms of building Division identity and rivalries.

True, but, given the cockeyed geography of the NAthCon -- three Milwaukee-area schools, four other schools located deeper in Wisconsin, a school just slightly to the FIB side of the Halas-Lombardi Line, and four schools in Chicago's western suburbs -- it's seen as an equity issue. By rotating between divisions, the schools in the middle share the responsibility of the extra travel and the downside of not having the second round-robin games against traditional local rivals.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 09, 2010, 11:23:00 AM
Edgewood lost to UW-Green Bay in an exhibition game last night, 78-55.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Look It Up on November 13, 2010, 01:52:45 AM
Concordia-Chicago takes a late lead against Chicago State before falling 79-75 to the Division I Team on Friday night. Larrell Gary 17 points, Charles Gordon 15 points off the bench. Concordia wins the battle of the boards against a bigger CSU team 50-42.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 14, 2010, 08:01:02 AM
Here is an update on Kyle Plath, who played for WLC:

http://www.northtexasfresh.com/

(Their season opener was last night.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 12:36:05 AM
Wow, good opening night for the NathCon.

Wins over the IIAC (Edgewood d. Loras), the WIAC (CUW d. UW-La Crosse), the UAA (Dominican d. Chicago) and a strong showing against the CCIW (Benedictine plays #4 IWU tough).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 16, 2010, 12:09:58 PM
Yes, I was especially impressed by the Domincan over Chicago game. Isn't Chicago usually pretty strong?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on November 16, 2010, 12:09:58 PM
Yes, I was especially impressed by the Domincan over Chicago game. Isn't Chicago usually pretty strong?

Eh, Chicago is certainly in a good league but they haven't been that good recently. Edgewood and MSOE have both beaten them each of the last two seasons. Chicago was 13-12 last year and 6-19 in 2008-09 after starting the season in the preseason Top 25 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 16, 2010, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on November 16, 2010, 12:09:58 PM
Yes, I was especially impressed by the Domincan over Chicago game. Isn't Chicago usually pretty strong?

Eh, Chicago is certainly in a good league but they haven't been that good recently. Edgewood and MSOE have both beaten them each of the last two seasons. Chicago was 13-12 last year and 6-19 in 2008-09 after starting the season in the preseason Top 25 poll.

But they did make the tournament in 07-08 and had an 17-0 lead over UWSP in the first round to start the game.  It was all downhill from there, though... SP outscored them 29-7 over the last 14 minutes of the first half (29-24 Point led at half) and 67-36 for the rest of the game (final: 67-53 UWSP). 

Then, Chicago was ranked in the preseason in 08-09 and started the year 0-12 and 1-15.  What's crazy is 6 of the first 12 losses were three points or less, including 2 OT games. 

Last year was a step up at 13-12, good enough to be tied for 3rd in the UAA, but the program hasn't fully bounced back yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 04:36:38 PM
You might say that 17-0 lead on UWSP in the 2008 NCAA Tournament was the final high point on a dizzying free fall since that moment. Nothing really has gone right since that point in time, although they did slow the descent last year, as you pointed out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2010, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 16, 2010, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on November 16, 2010, 12:09:58 PM
Yes, I was especially impressed by the Domincan over Chicago game. Isn't Chicago usually pretty strong?

Eh, Chicago is certainly in a good league but they haven't been that good recently. Edgewood and MSOE have both beaten them each of the last two seasons. Chicago was 13-12 last year and 6-19 in 2008-09 after starting the season in the preseason Top 25 poll.

But they did make the tournament in 07-08 and had an 17-0 lead over UWSP in the first round to start the game.  It was all downhill from there, though... SP outscored them 29-7 over the last 14 minutes of the first half (29-24 Point led at half) and 67-36 for the rest of the game (final: 67-53 UWSP). 

Then, Chicago was ranked in the preseason in 08-09 and started the year 0-12 and 1-15.  What's crazy is 6 of the first 12 losses were three points or less, including 2 OT games. 

Last year was a step up at 13-12, good enough to be tied for 3rd in the UAA, but the program hasn't fully bounced back yet.

I'm pretty familiar with both teams -- I watch anywhere from five to ten Chicago games a year at the Ratner Center and I usually see two or three Dominican games as well, and I saw DU scrimmage North Park last week -- and I would've predicted a Dominican win in this game. Not because I think that the Maroons are going to be bad, as I actually think that they'll do OK in what will be a down year for the UAA, but because the Stars are small and super-quick and the Maroons aren't really set up to defend that kind of a team.

Sounds like a great game, though -- right down to the final buzzer. Wish I could've seen it; I would've been in the stands at Igini Sports Forum last night if I didn't have scorer's table duties at the North Park women's game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 16, 2010, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2010, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on November 16, 2010, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 02:44:31 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on November 16, 2010, 12:09:58 PM
Yes, I was especially impressed by the Domincan over Chicago game. Isn't Chicago usually pretty strong?

Eh, Chicago is certainly in a good league but they haven't been that good recently. Edgewood and MSOE have both beaten them each of the last two seasons. Chicago was 13-12 last year and 6-19 in 2008-09 after starting the season in the preseason Top 25 poll.

But they did make the tournament in 07-08 and had an 17-0 lead over UWSP in the first round to start the game.  It was all downhill from there, though... SP outscored them 29-7 over the last 14 minutes of the first half (29-24 Point led at half) and 67-36 for the rest of the game (final: 67-53 UWSP). 

Then, Chicago was ranked in the preseason in 08-09 and started the year 0-12 and 1-15.  What's crazy is 6 of the first 12 losses were three points or less, including 2 OT games. 

Last year was a step up at 13-12, good enough to be tied for 3rd in the UAA, but the program hasn't fully bounced back yet.

I'm pretty familiar with both teams -- I watch anywhere from five to ten Chicago games a year at the Ratner Center and I usually see two or three Dominican games as well, and I saw DU scrimmage North Park last week -- and I would've predicted a Dominican win in this game. Not because I think that the Maroons are going to be bad, as I actually think that they'll do OK in what will be a down year for the UAA, but because the Stars are small and super-quick and the Maroons aren't really set up to defend that kind of a team.


North Central, picked to finish 6th in the CCIW, defeated Chicago by 14 points in a scrimmage last Thursday. They had previously also defeated Concordia which, as indicated above, lost to D1 Chicago State by only 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
The key word there is "scrimmage," Mark. Scrimmages can only tell us just so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 16, 2010, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
The key word there is "scrimmage," Mark. Scrimmages can only tell us just so much.

True--However, I believe Both Chicago and Concordia are pretty veteran clubs while a huge portion of the NCC roster is comprised of freshmen. Fairly impressive even though it was "only" a scrimmage. And, just emphasizes the top to near bottom strength of the CCIW as I believe Concordia was picked to win their division of the NathCom. Also, Chicago appeared in the "Others Receiving Votes" portion of the preseason Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 16, 2010, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 12:36:05 AM
Wow, good opening night for the NathCon.

Wins over the IIAC (Edgewood d. Loras), the WIAC (CUW d. UW-La Crosse), the UAA (Dominican d. Chicago) and a strong showing against the CCIW (Benedictine plays #4 IWU tough).

The Edgewood win over Loras does not surprise me at all. Loras has no dominant bigs and their inside game is lacking. Pawelski did have a good game for Loras, but that is not his norm. 2 very good Loras freshmen, Richie Kemph, and Ricky Clopton who could contribute nicely at the varsity level have, for some reason, been put on the JV squad.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2010, 09:53:29 AM
NathCon vs. other conferences (through 11/17)...

vs. UAA - 1-0
vs. IIAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 1-1
vs. WIAC - 1-1
vs. MWC - 0-1

vs. Non-D3 (USCAA) - 1-0
vs. Non-D3 (NAIA II) - 0-1

Not a bad start at all for the league. Two of the losses were to Top 10 teams (#4 IWU over BU and #10 SNC over Marian).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 18, 2010, 05:05:14 PM
Really a decent opening week for the NathCon.

CUC got down big early against a North Park team that has some veteran players to go along with top-tier aspirations in the CCIW (as well as some serious height), kept their composure, played a ton of guys until they found the right combinations, put on the press in the second half, and then came back to beat the Vikings.

For the second time in as many games, CUC outrebounded their vastly taller opponents. In fact, for about 10 minutes in the first half when North Park was threatening to run away from the Cougars, Tyler Jones had no one in the game over 6'3" and still managed to creep back into it.

I think that when CUC plays Dominican, the over and under should be about 182. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 19, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 16, 2010, 11:02:29 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 16, 2010, 12:36:05 AM
Wow, good opening night for the NathCon.

Wins over the IIAC (Edgewood d. Loras), the WIAC (CUW d. UW-La Crosse), the UAA (Dominican d. Chicago) and a strong showing against the CCIW (Benedictine plays #4 IWU tough).

The Edgewood win over Loras does not surprise me at all. Loras has no dominant bigs and their inside game is lacking. Pawelski did have a good game for Loras, but that is not his norm. 2 very good Loras freshmen, Richie Kemph, and Ricky Clopton who could contribute nicely at the varsity level have, for some reason, been put on the JV squad.

True that Edgewood is picked to win the NAthCon North, but Loras was picked to win the IIAC. That seems like a pretty good win to me unless the IIAC is not that strong.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 19, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
Okay, scratch that comment above about the IIAC not being that strong. CUC almost did an about face from their game vs. North Park as this time they were the ones who coughed up a double digit 2nd half lead and went into overtime against Coe who was picked to finish near the bottom of the IIAC. However Larrell Gary hit some clutch shots in overtime and the Cougars pulled one out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 20, 2010, 05:06:51 PM
Edgewood trying to hold on against North Central. 48-41 with 2:46 to go.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/ncc/mbball/index.htm

UPDATE: Another NathCon win over the CCIW.  Eagles hold NCC to 17 points in the second half and win 59-43. Faurote scores 18 to lead EC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 21, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
NathCon vs. other conferences (through 11/21)...

vs. SLIAC - 3-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. IIAC - 4-2
vs. CCIW - 2-2
vs. MWC - 2-2
vs. WIAC - 1-2
vs. MIAC - 0-1

vs. Non-D3 (USCAA) - 1-0
vs. Non-D3 (NAIA I) - 0-1
vs. Non-D3 (NAIA II) - 0-2

Overall vs. D-III - 15-9 (.625)
Overall - 16-12 (.571)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 24, 2010, 12:24:02 PM
Games from 11/23: (sorry, no scores but some commentary)

MSOE over Beloit (MSOE at 3-0)

Lewis (dII) over Benedictine

Cornell over Dominican (Cornell scored the last 8 points of the game to break a late tie)

Aurora over North Central (I think Aurora is going to be a tough out again in the NAC. The close loss to IWU and the win over NCC shows me something. Although they had a blowout loss to Buena Vista, BV is picked highly in their conference. Any word on the Spartans in that game or the others?)

CUC over Lakeland in overtime (First conference game of the season. Lakeland hits a 3 at the regulation buzzer to send it into overtime, takes a five point lead in OT, but CUC comes back and wins on late free throws -at which both teams were atrocious: CUC  8-15 for 53%; LU 13-28 for 46%)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 24, 2010, 08:56:54 PM
11/24:

Rockford over Knox by 4:

Regents' Malone had another big night scoring  Knox's cold shooting (11% from beyond the arc in 2nd half) was a contributing factor.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 26, 2010, 07:21:14 PM
MSOE tops UW-Eau Claire 61-48. Raiders led by double digits for the final 7 minutes.

http://www.uwecblugolds.com/stats/mbkb/201011/11-04.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 29, 2010, 09:55:09 PM
I had a wierd case of deja vu while catching the CUC-CUW livestats on Saturday. With 12 minutes to go in the game, CUW was up by 3 at CUC. However I had to run out for a few minutes on a quick errand, so I tuned in the radio just in time to listen to the University of Michigan not score for a field goal for the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half of their game vs. UTEP. So when I get home I get back to the CUW-CUC game and, guess what? In eight  minutes of elapsed play, CUW increased their lead from three to 26.  :o (Of course, I had that same feeling regularly during football; up-and-down-the-field offense but pray for just a couple of stops on defense - although the Cougars were more adept on the "D" side of things that the Wolverines. ;)

I know that the coaches picked CUC and Edgewood to win their respective divisions, but I wouldn't be surprised to see last year's winners, CUW and Aurora, repeat.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 08, 2010, 11:43:05 PM
Close games all around tonight...

CUW 82, Marian 79 - Marian has a 3 at the buzzer blocked
Edgewood 63, Lakeland 61 - Cashton Craig hits a bucket with 1.3 seconds left to win
Rockford 79, Dominican 78 - Robert Malone hits layup with 5.9 seconds left for win
Aurora 68, MSOE 58 - Last unbeaten in the NAC falls

An old NIIC match...
CUC 74, Eureka 65 (OT) - CUC's 4th OT game this season
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 10, 2010, 02:37:03 PM
NathCon vs. other conferences (12/10/10)...

vs. SLIAC - 4-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 4-4
vs. IIAC - 4-4
vs. MWC - 4-4
vs. WIAC - 3-4
vs. SCAC - 0-1
vs. MIAC - 0-2
vs. NCAA D-III - 22-19 (.536)

vs. NCAA II - 0-1
vs. NAIA II - 0-4
vs. USCAA - 1-0
vs. NCCAA - 2-1

vs. All - 25-25 (.500)

Better than average year in non-conference play, I'd say. Four wins over the CCIW (with three losses to IWU), three wins over the WIAC (with three losses by 0-7 WLC) and 2-0 against the UAA looks better than normal to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 10, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
JB: Thanks for the breakdown. On the CCIW and MIAA boards the "in-region" wins and percentages are the prevailing conversation of the preseason. I realize that the NAC will not soon get a pool C bid, but do you have the stats on which of these NCAA dIII scores are "in region"?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 10, 2010, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 10, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
JB: Thanks for the breakdown. On the CCIW and MIAA boards the "in-region" wins and percentages are the prevailing conversation of the preseason preconference. I realize that the NAC will not soon get a pool C bid, but do you have the stats on which of these NCAA dIII scores are "in region"?

In-region looks even better:

vs. SLIAC - 4-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 4-4
vs. IIAC - 4-4
vs. MWC - 4-4
vs. WIAC - 3-4
vs. SCAC - 0-1
(None of the MIAC should be in-region... is that correct?  Depends on distance.  And who was the SCAC opponent?  That might not be in-region.  All the others are either Midwest region or Administrative region).

22-17 =.564
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 10, 2010, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 10, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
JB: Thanks for the breakdown. On the CCIW and MIAA boards the "in-region" wins and percentages are the prevailing conversation of the preseason preconference. I realize that the NAC will not soon get a pool C bid, but do you have the stats on which of these NCAA dIII scores are "in region"?

In-region looks even better:

vs. SLIAC - 4-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 4-4
vs. IIAC - 4-4
vs. MWC - 4-4
vs. WIAC - 3-4
vs. SCAC - 0-1
(None of the MIAC should be in-region... is that correct?  Depends on distance.  And who was the SCAC opponent?  That might not be in-region.  All the others are either Midwest region or Administrative region).

22-17 =.564

Minnesota is in the same NCAA administrative region (Region 4) as Illinois and Wisconsin, so NAthCon games played against MIAC opponents count as in-region.

The best way to tall in-region games is to check the schedules as listed on this site; each in-region game has an asterisk next to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 10, 2010, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 10, 2010, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 10, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
JB: Thanks for the breakdown. On the CCIW and MIAA boards the "in-region" wins and percentages are the prevailing conversation of the preseason preconference. I realize that the NAC will not soon get a pool C bid, but do you have the stats on which of these NCAA dIII scores are "in region"?

In-region looks even better:

vs. SLIAC - 4-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 4-4
vs. IIAC - 4-4
vs. MWC - 4-4
vs. WIAC - 3-4
vs. SCAC - 0-1
(None of the MIAC should be in-region... is that correct?  Depends on distance.  And who was the SCAC opponent?  That might not be in-region.  All the others are either Midwest region or Administrative region).

22-17 =.564A

Point Special : That was fast! Thanks. (And of course that should have been "pre-conference", not "pre-season".)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 10, 2010, 04:26:49 PM
I'm with stupid
<-------

I was thinking the MIAA, not the MIAC.  Oops!

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 10, 2010, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 10, 2010, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 10, 2010, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 10, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
JB: Thanks for the breakdown. On the CCIW and MIAA boards the "in-region" wins and percentages are the prevailing conversation of the preseason preconference. I realize that the NAC will not soon get a pool C bid, but do you have the stats on which of these NCAA dIII scores are "in region"?

In-region looks even better:

vs. SLIAC - 4-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 4-4
vs. IIAC - 4-4
vs. MWC - 4-4
vs. WIAC - 3-4
vs. SCAC - 0-1
(None of the MIAC should be in-region... is that correct?  Depends on distance.  And who was the SCAC opponent?  That might not be in-region.  All the others are either Midwest region or Administrative region).

22-17 =.564A

Point Special : That was fast! Thanks. (And of course that should have been "pre-conference", not "pre-season".)

Just saving Sager the trouble  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 10, 2010, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 10, 2010, 02:37:03 PM
NathCon vs. other conferences (12/10/10)...

vs. SLIAC - 4-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 4-4
vs. IIAC - 4-4
vs. MWC - 4-4
vs. WIAC - 3-4
vs. SCAC - 0-1
vs. MIAC - 0-2
vs. NCAA D-III - 22-19 (.536)

It looks to me like the game against the SCAC was Rockford/DePauw and Google Maps can't make that any closer than 265, so I highly doubt the NCAA software can.  That makes it out of region and takes away a loss:

22-18: .550
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 20, 2010, 09:26:25 PM
Halftime at Benedictine - BU up 40 - 26 vs. CUC. Bennie has hit 7 - 15 3's while CUC is 1 - 6. 3 point defense has been a problem for Concordia, who I guess has struggled somewhat this year (depending on your definition of struggled). They have had 4 overtime games (three of them wins) with an additional two point loss and a three point win. The problem is that two of the close losses have been conference games and are staring at a 1-4 start in the conference if they don't come back against Benedictine. For good or for bad, it's still a pretty balanced conference from top to bottom.

CUC has a trip to California for a pair of games over the break, one of which is against NAIA - I Concordia-Irvine. Irvine won the NAIA championship a couple of years ago and always has a slew of D-I transfers. Interestingly, one of their five D-I guys this year is Taylor King who started his collegiate career at DUKE and then transferred to Villanova before going back to California where he was the California Player of the Year his senior year in high school.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 21, 2010, 09:29:24 AM
BU did go on to beat CUC, but it was close. 78-74.

More good non-conference results for the NAC.  Aurora beats Elmhurst (CCIW) and Edgewood beats Knox (MWC) and Dubuque (IIAC).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 21, 2010, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 21, 2010, 09:29:24 AM
BU did go on to beat CUC, but it was close. 78-74.

More good non-conference results for the NAC.  Aurora beats Elmhurst (CCIW) and Edgewood beats Knox (MWC) and Dubuque (IIAC).

I'll give it to the NAC that they have been quite competative in most non-conference games, although it looks as though Edgewood and Aurora are two of the better conference teams while Elmhurst is struggling and Knox isn't that good.

Actually, the BU-CUC game wasn't as close as the final score. RF got a 12 point deficit with a minute to go down to 4 at the buzzer due to a pair of late threes and a couple bunnies, but they couldn't recover from a first 5 minutes where Bennie shot the lights out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 22, 2010, 10:35:45 AM
NathCon vs. other conferences (12/22/10). Final pre-Santa non-conference numbers...

vs. SLIAC - 5-0
vs. UAA - 2-0
vs. SCIAC - 1-0
vs. UMAC - 1-0
vs. CCIW - 6-4
vs. IIAC - 5-4
vs. MWC - 5-5
vs. MIAA - 1-1
vs. WIAC - 3-5
vs. SCAC - 0-1
vs. MIAC - 0-2
vs. NCAA D-III - 29-22 (.569)

vs. NCAA II - 0-1
vs. NAIA II - 1-4
vs. USCAA - 3-0
vs. NCCAA - 3-1
vs. All - 36-28 (.563)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 22, 2010, 12:20:27 PM
Great work JB.

The NathCon has been pretty impressive this season.  Usually the MWC is seen as "above" the NathCon... but especially the CCIW has, and the NathCon has the edge AND a higher in-region win percentage!

The CCIW is currently 30-23 (.566) 


Note, that was yesterday morning, doesn't take into account any of last night's games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 23, 2010, 09:51:49 AM
Dominican lost to Hope and Benedictine beat North Central, so I've updated the non-con record list heading into Xmas.

I think a combined 9-9 against the CCIW and the WIAC is pretty impressive for the NathCon.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2010, 06:28:36 PM
Calvin/Benedictine on deck:

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2010, 06:48:57 PM
Benedictine 24, Calvin 22  10:01 left 1st half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2010, 07:11:12 PM
Benedictine 41, Calvin 39  2 secs left 1st half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2010, 07:44:56 PM
Benedictine 60, Calvin 55  10 1/2 min left  2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 29, 2010, 08:17:28 PM
Benedictine 82, Calvin 79  final

     (potential game -tying 3 bounced off front of rim)

IL Eagles:  Green 23 and Snelling 22 pts, respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 31, 2010, 07:10:24 PM
Congratulations to the Benedictine Eagles for winning the Elmhurst College Holiday Tourney.  The win over Calvin was impressive because the Eagles refused to buckle under to some intense defensive pressure over the last ten minutes of the game.  Calvin is a good team that will be most likely make the NCAA D3 tourney.  Thursday night's win over Elmhurst was a game that would drive a coach to drink.  The Eagles could not find the basket early and seemed to be in 'sleep' mode with many sloppy turnovers.  The second half was 180 degrees different with Benedictine clearly dominating the action at both ends of the floor.  I read somewhere, not sure where, that Massey's rating of the Eagles had them at 38th in the country.  The way they played against Calvin, I want to believe in the team's potential.  The way they played against North Central and Elmhurst (first half scoring 23 points), they would be lucky to be 138th nationally.  The Eagles have decent depth, speed and maturity.
Cameron Snelling, AJ Brown, Terry Licht and Jerrell Tribble should as seniors wake up their teammates and understand 2011 is a 'now or never' situation.  Good Luck Eagles, play defense like you did against Calvin and run more and you will finish much better than last year's 7 and 9 for fifth place in the NAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2011, 10:48:15 PM
Joining CUW/LaVerne in progress:

LaVerne 13, CUW 12  Just less than 11 min left  1st half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
CUW 33, LaVerne 29  Half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2011, 11:40:41 PM
CUW 47, LaVerne 38  9:55 left 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 04, 2011, 12:05:36 AM
CUW 66, LaVerne 59  Final

Despite being outshot and out-rebounded by LaVerne, CUW wins because the Falcons went to the line 18 times, making 14, (Leopards had only 4 FTs all game)-- Turnovers-- LaVerne had 26, CUW had 10

LaVerne had it within 2 on a couple of occasions, but Starks and Doedens got key baskets and then CUW hit late FT's to seal it- per LaVerne stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 07, 2011, 09:01:06 PM
New to the site, at this point CUW sounds and looks like the eventual conference champion, thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 07, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 07, 2011, 09:01:06 PM
New to the site, at this point CUW sounds and looks like the eventual conference champion, thoughts?

Still too many games yet to be played, but they do seem to be playing well. Newton-Kemp is staying healthy and out of foul trouble so he's able to contribute more. A D-II transfer never hurts either. Jan. 15 at MSOE and Jan. 20 against Edgewood will be key. They get through those two games unscathed and not much will stand in their way until the NAC Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 08, 2011, 07:38:27 PM
Edgewood 62, MSOE 60  Final  OT

WI Eagles' Cates hit the go-ahead FT's with 3 secs left in the extra session-Edgewood stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 10, 2011, 11:05:50 AM
Big games this week:

MSOE@CUC
Aurora@Dominican
Rockford@Benidictine
CUW@Maranatha
CUW@MSOE
Edgewood@Rockford

Thoughts on who comes out on top this week?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 11, 2011, 08:02:30 AM
MSOE's going to be wanting to wanting to make amends --after having Edgewood on the ropes on 2 occastions late before losing last Saturday. The Raiders may take CUC in a close one, but something tells me this is CUW's year. Edgewood and Benedictine both have a height advantage on Rockford, but if the Regents create enough turnovers and are allowed to run the break, ---  I think CUW will take Maranatha, Aurora/Dominican--will go with the Stars at home on that one.

I'm going with:

MSOE
Dominican
Benedictine
CUW
CUW
Edgewood
                     (a Rockford split wouldn't surprise me).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 11, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
Remember CUW did lose at Maranatha last year and they always have a tough time playing at MSOE, I think you're right though, CUW seems to be the top team in the conference. 

I do think CUC will beat MSOE in Chicago, should be a good one

CUC
Aurora
Benedictine-has been tough all year long
CUW
CUW
Edgewood-too disciplined for Rockford
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 12, 2011, 11:41:22 PM
Wednesday's wrapup:

Aurora   82   Dominican   80
Benedictine   82  Rockford   65
Edgewood   83  Wisconsin Lutheran   60   
MSOE   82   Concordia (Ill.)   71
Lakeland   71  Marian   66   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 13, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
I must say im surprised by the MSOE win @CUC, I thought they were the deaper team
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 13, 2011, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 13, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
I must say im surprised by the MSOE win @CUC, I thought they were the deaper team

CUC played without James Morgan.  No idea why or what his status is.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 14, 2011, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 13, 2011, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 13, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
I must say im surprised by the MSOE win @CUC, I thought they were the deaper team

CUC played without James Morgan.  No idea why or what his status is.

Without Morgan, CUC has virtually no height. (They have one 6'4" guy and a couple of 6'3" players, none of whom you would consider inside players. Morgan recently scored his 1000th point of his career at CUC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 14, 2011, 02:33:35 PM
What heighth does MSOE have besides a 6'3'' Austin Meier?  I thoughts CUC would be the more talented "team"
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 14, 2011, 04:51:59 PM
NathCon vs. other conferences (1/14/11)...

vs. SLIAC - 5-0
vs. UMAC - 3-0
vs. UAA - 2-1
vs. MIAA - 2-1
vs. IIAC - 6-4
vs. CCIW - 7-5
vs. SCIAC - 3-3
vs. D-III Ind. - 1-1
vs. MWC - 5-6
vs. WIAC - 3-8
vs. SCAC - 0-1
vs. MIAC - 0-2
vs. NCAA D-III - 37-32 (.536)

vs. NCAA II - 0-1
vs. NAIA I - 0-1
vs. NAIA II - 1-5
vs. USCAA - 4-0
vs. NCCAA - 4-1
vs. All - 46-40 (.535)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 15, 2011, 06:50:43 PM
CUW 84, MSOE 62  Final 

(Raiders had the deficit down to 9 but couldn't get over the hump--Falcons hit 11 3s for the game--MSOE stats)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 18, 2011, 10:39:16 AM
CUW getting 8 votes in this week's Top 25 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 18, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
CUW has something good going on this year, could ride their momentum a long ways

Heard some interesting rumours surrounding the CUC mens basketball program this week, possible NCAA investigations and problems with the coaching staff, doesn't sound like anything good

Some interesting Games tonight:

Benedictine @ Dominican
CUC @ Aurora
Edgewood @ Maranatha-Maranatha upset edgewood last season
Rockford @ MSOE

Benedictine
Aurora
Maranatha(upset special!)
MSOE
 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2011, 04:02:32 PM
I'm going with:

Benedictine
Aurora
Edgewood
MSOE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2011, 09:42:58 PM
Benedictine 78, Dominican 75  Final

(IL Eagle's Licht buried a 3 to account for the winning margin-per Ben stats)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 19, 2011, 09:16:08 AM
With CUW and EC both winning last night, we've set up a chance for CUW to virtually clinch (realistically, if not mathematically) the North Division.  With a CUW win over EC on Thursday they'd be two games ahead (and really three with the tiebreaker) of EC with just six conference games left.

IF EC wins then we'll have a fun little two team race to the wire. Either way it seems hard to believe anybody but CUW and EC will be hosting first round tournament games in the North.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 19, 2011, 10:08:21 AM
If give Lakeland credit for the fight they put up last night at CUW, but Concordia did not play a complete ball game and still won by 15 I think.  With Maranatha almost upsetting EC last night I don't see Concordia losing on Thurs. 

Lakeland has some athletic young talent on the team, too bad Shwartz injured his knee, could have made for a more talented North division this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2011, 12:10:34 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2011, 09:42:58 PM
Benedictine 78, Dominican 75  Final

(IL Eagle's Licht buried a 3 to account for the winning margin-per Ben stats)

Live stats don't do it justice -- buzzer beater video on the front page.

http://www.d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 20, 2011, 10:31:18 AM
Irony is, the IL Eagles had gone 2-10 on 3's in the 2nd half before that heave--(sometimes you shoot better hurried, I guess--)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2011, 05:04:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2011, 12:10:34 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 18, 2011, 09:42:58 PM
Benedictine 78, Dominican 75  Final

(IL Eagle's Licht buried a 3 to account for the winning margin-per Ben stats)

Live stats don't do it justice -- buzzer beater video on the front page.

http://www.d3hoops.com

(Marvin Gaye/Tammy Terrell's "Ain't Nothin' Like the Real Thing" playing. . . . )
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2011, 06:48:23 PM
Benedictine 62, Maranatha 48  Less than 2 min left

(Crusaders' talls got in foul trouble, still cut it to 2 with less than 10 min left but then the IL Eagles went on an 8-0 run to get distance.--MBBC site)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 22, 2011, 07:04:15 PM
Lakeland 72, Aurora 70  Final
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 23, 2011, 06:59:51 PM
early favorites for conference player of the year?

Malone (RU)?
Meier (MSOE)?
Green (BU)?
Wisniewski (EU)?
Schneider (CUW)?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 24, 2011, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 23, 2011, 06:59:51 PM
early favorites for conference player of the year?

Malone (RU)?
Meier (MSOE)?
Green (BU)?
Wisniewski (EU)?
Schneider (CUW)?

Interesting. Take just NAthCon in-conference stats alone, and you can make a case for any of those players. There isn't one dominant one in terms of consistently being at the top in several individual statistical areas so far. So far, if it was an "Iron-Man Like Minutes Played" award, the Rockford and Edgewood player would be running neck and neck for it right now.

Still early yet-- (sent a PM out to the poster who brought this up, looking at setting up a separate poll if there's enough interest.)
Title: NAthCon Men's 2010-11 POY Award Poll
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 25, 2011, 08:05:48 AM
Thoughts, anyone?

(kudos to BadgerFan 42 for first bringing this up!)

:) ;) :D
Title: Re: NAthCon Men's 2010-11 POY Award Poll
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 25, 2011, 09:22:38 AM
These players are up there because they are atop the conference in PPG and they are 'contending' teams, if anyone else thinks there is a player worthy of mentioning (I don't see everyone play), simply drop there name.  I live close to Mequon and am a CUW alum, so thats why my vote lies Schneider...homer vote
Title: Re: NAthCon Men's 2010-11 POY Award Poll
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2011, 09:50:32 AM
I don't know where MSOE is going to end up in the standings, but for my money, Austin Meier is the best all-around player in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 25, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
Based on what I've seen so far this season Meier, Schneider, & Malone do more for their teams than any other player in the conference, Meier scores, rebounds, and is a tough defender.  Schneider fits the same mold as Meier, but doesn't have to put up huge numbers for his team to win, and Malone might be the best scorer in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 26, 2011, 09:49:18 PM
MSOE 64, Benedictine 60  Final   

Despite shooting 28% in 1st half, Benedictine makes a late run, but missed several 3s toward the end of this game

MSOE  --Deacon & Bande  13 pts each, Bloom 12--including crucial FTs toward the end

Benedictine  --Snelling a double double, Licht scored 15 pts before fouling out

                Ben stats
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 26, 2011, 09:53:10 PM
Other finals:

Concordia-Chicago 74, Dominican 66  (All 5 Cougar starters scored in double figures--Dominican-- 17 turnovers per CUC stats)

Aurora 88, Rockford 70
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 27, 2011, 10:56:21 AM
CUW beat WLC 82-65 last night, despite being outrebounded, CUW's defense forced 32 turnovers

http://www.cuwfalcons.com/article.asp?articleID=1210
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 29, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
I had a chance to watch CUW last night in a first round game of the Concordia Invitational Tournament against Concordia - Ann Arbor in Ann Arbor and was treated to a very entertaining game. As one would expect based on their record so far this year, CUW is really good, and I was impressed with their team play and excellent athletes. Truthfully, I felt that they were the better of the teams last night, but Ann Arbor just went off on their 3's (14-23) with their point guard taking (and making) some unconscienable shots later in the 2nd half.

Nobody mentioned this player in their NAC Player of the Year candidates, but Luke Doedens for CUW has got to be in the mix.  I haven't been following his stats so far this year, but he seems to be an excellent all-around player who shot, rebounded, hustled, and did everything last night but drive the bus. I think that if CUW didn't have so many talented players and didn't spread the wealth around as well as they do, one of their players; Schneider, Doedens, Stark, or Newton-Kemp would have to be a front-runner.

And then there's CUC. Truthfully, I was somewhat disappointed with their early conference results, and when they lost Morgan I was not very hopeful, but Tyler Jones has gone really small (because they really don't have any height left) and has pieced together some nice wins. Their win last night vs. Concordia-Nebraska was quite shocking as a good Seward squad went 6'5, 6'6, 6'7, and 6'7 while Concordia's main rotation has no one over 6'4', but the Cougars took charge early and never let Seward within 9 points the entire last 30 minutes.

I am intereted in how CUC plays Ann Arbor tonight, as CU-AA has played extremely well and with confidence ever since they played Michigan (as in The University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, not UM-Dearborn who is in CU-AA's conference) tough in December. Frankly, I would like to see an up-and-down game if the coaches let the guys run, but that's Ann Arbor's game, and I don't think Coach Jones will let that happen (although they've got the numbers to run with Ann Arbor).

Although I love this tournament and everything that it (used to?) stands for, it's got to be tough for a coach who is in the middle of their conference schedule to take a long trip and then play two non-conference games to further cook their players' legs. ( I'm listening to the feed for CUW's consolation game with CUW handling Nebraska easily), and there are already a number of bench players who have played in the first half that didn't see any action in last night's game.) Maybe CIT could be changed to a pre-conference tournament?

Question for the Hope or Calvin fans who patrol this site (A good question seeing you guys are tangling tonight): Do you root for your rival to get smoked in all their games? (i.e. Do the Calvin fans root for Hope to lose ALL their games? Be honest now. This is sort of like the UM-MSU question.) Even though it's been 30 years since I played against Seward, the fact that CUW is now just laying the lumber to the Bulldogs is okay with me.  ::)(CUW didn't exsist in its present form when I played, so although the CUC-CUW rivalry is a pretty big deal, it's not as personal with me.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 29, 2011, 06:54:51 PM
Final  Edgewood 79, Dominican 64

              (WI Eagles shot 56% from floor for whole game, got to the FT line for 28 shots, compared to  Stars' 13, per Dominican stats)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 29, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
MSOE 74, Lakeland 65  Final:

MSOE:  Deacon 21 and Meier 20 pts respectively--Raiders hit late FTs to seal this one-per MSOE release.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 31, 2011, 12:07:43 PM
CUC won the 60th annual Concordia Invitational Tournament over the weekend by defeating Concordia-Ann Arbor 72-63 in the championship game. Deontay Young was named the tournament MVP with a 19 point, 11 rebound double double in the final. Joining him on the all-tournament team was Jeff Weberg for CUC and Edward Newton-Kemp for CUW.

This had to be one of the best CITs in history as all four teams entered the tournament with winning records, and the championship game was just intense, as the lead was never more than 3 for either team during the first 15 minutes of the second half with numerous lead changes to boot.

I'm still not sure that CUW wasn't the "best team" in the tournament, but they couldn't get past CU-AA's torrid three point shooting in the first round game. In the consolation game, CUW just destroyed Concordia-Nebraska by 20 although at one point they were up by 38. Now it's back to league play with CUW looking to run the table heading into the conference tournament while CUC tries to continue it's recent good play and qualify for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 31, 2011, 01:26:04 PM
I'm pretty confident in saying that CUW was the best team at CIT this weekend.  CU-AA was absolutely on fire from behind the 3 point line, shooting 73% in the 2nd half.  Those same guys that shot well on Friday couldn't hit on Saturday.  That leads me to believe that CU-AA had a career night shooting the ball on Friday against CUW or CUC's defense was better.

To comment on your earlier post: 

As a former player and now spectator of the CIT tournament I would say that it carries that same importance now that its had in years past.  I know that the guys on CUW's team were disappointed in their showing on Friday night against CU-AA, but they are playing for a regular season crown and looking to avenge last seasons early departure from the  conference tourny.  Not that CIT wasn't important, you're playing for bragging rights and everyone always plays with more intensity in hopes of holding the trophy.

Luke Doedens has been a phenomenal player so far this season for the CUW men.  He definitely had a coming out party of sorts at CIT this past weekend.  Dominating both games.  As I mentioned before, and RFMichigan eluted to it, no one on CUW's team is in position where they have to put up huge numbers in order to for their team to win, which isn't something you see with the other top players in the conf.  On a given night any one of the 5 starters for CUW can put up huge numbers.

I am going to change my vote for conf POY to 'Skip' Newton-Kemp from CUW.  Skip played just as well, if not better at times than Luke Doedens did this weekend and he has been doing it all year.  SKip is by far the most athletic player in the conf and one of the most skilled.   

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:20:56 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2011, 06:30:06 PM
NathCon well represented in the Midwest. CUW #2, EC #4 and MSOE #8.  Looks like a strong out-of-conference performance early on has paid off for the league.  We're still a long way from those rankings translating into at-large bids though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2011, 08:25:36 PM
Ah, yes, a couple of us remember last year's NAthCon Men's Tournament, when Dominican made it all the way to the final--as a #8 seed, before losing to Aurora.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 02, 2011, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 02, 2011, 08:25:36 PM
Ah, yes, a couple of us remember last year's NAthCon Men's Tournament, when Dominican made it all the way to the final--as a #8 seed, before losing to Aurora.

I don't see the relavence to the regional rankings. Or were you referring to something else?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2011, 08:42:17 AM
I was just meaning to say "plenty can still happen between now and tournament time" (generally speaking).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 03, 2011, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 03, 2011, 08:42:17 AM
I was just meaning to say "plenty can still happen between now and tournament time" (generally speaking).

While that's true, I think that the NAthCon is just better this year than that year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 05, 2011, 09:32:38 PM
The conference had a pretty decent out-of-conference record, but in no small part because of the large number of contributing seniors for many of the teams who have had some decent out-of-conference wins. Snelling, Licht (BU); Stark, Newton-Kemp (CUW); the Turleys (DU); Deacon, Meier (MSOE); Young, Gary, Morgan (CUC) come to mind.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 06, 2011, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 05, 2011, 09:32:38 PM
The conference had a pretty decent out-of-conference record, but in no small part because of the large number of contributing seniors for many of the teams who have had some decent out-of-conference wins. Snelling, Licht (BU); Stark, Newton-Kemp (CUW); the Turleys (DU); Deacon, Meier (MSOE); Young, Gary, Morgan (CUC) come to mind.

The impact of good senior leadership is huge.  That can help win multiple games just by good decision making.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 07, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
Rockford 76, Dominican 69   4 seconds left (Regents' Dixon hit a clutch 3 to put them up with approx. 2 1/2 min left, then they hit their late FTs to seal this one-Dominican stats)

CUW 69, Marian 64  1 sec left

(4 Falcon players scored in double figures-Falcons hit 23 FTs for the game - Marian had 28 turnovers--Saber stats)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on February 09, 2011, 12:09:44 PM
New to posting on D3Boards...

With the regular season ending here in the last few games. Any thoughts to who will finish in the top 8 to make the conference tournament? I know CUW, Edgewood, and Lakeland already have spots locked in the North. But it is a tight race for the 4th spot and not one of the South spots is locked in yet. It looks to be a tight race to the finish.

My predictions are as follows.

North
1. CUW
2. Edgewood
3. Lakeland
4. Marian (turning it on late)

South
1. MSOE
2. Benedictine
3. Aurora
4. Rockford
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 09, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
Welcome to the board!

I agree with you on all but one of your picks--I'd go with Maranatha as taking the last spot in the North, only because they're at home more often than not from here on out.

Lakeland will have a big say, (still having to play 2 of the 3 teams in the North dogfight-)

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 09, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
I agree with the rest of the picks by jdubb104

but I think Bendictine will finish in the top spot out of the south...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 09, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: jdubb104 on February 09, 2011, 12:09:44 PM
New to posting on D3Boards...

With the regular season ending here in the last few games. Any thoughts to who will finish in the top 8 to make the conference tournament? I know CUW, Edgewood, and Lakeland already have spots locked in the North. But it is a tight race for the 4th spot and not one of the South spots is locked in yet. It looks to be a tight race to the finish.

My predictions are as follows.

North
1. CUW
2. Edgewood
3. Lakeland
4. Marian (turning it on late)

South
1. MSOE
2. Benedictine
3. Aurora
4. Rockford

Welcome to the board!
I generally agree with your picks, although the last spot in the south will probably come down to Rockford at CUC a week from this Saturday unless one or the other can manage a couple of wins vs. the teams currently at the top of their division prior to that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
Newest men's regional rankings are up. Pass it on:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 09, 2011, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
Newest men's regional rankings are up. Pass it on:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/

Wow. Edgewood only drops one spot and MSOE goes UP a position even though they both lost this week. Wish we could see the SOS numbers like we could last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 09, 2011, 09:57:04 PM
2-09-11 NAth Con Finals:

WLC 80, Marian 66
Benedictine 81, Dominican 71
Aurora 74, CUC 65
CUW 79, Lakeland 75

With those results, Marian and Dominican see their playoff chances get slimmer- Warriors helped themselves, but with Edgewood coming up on Saturday, they're not out of the woods by a long shot (Maranatha has beaten WLC once, and the Warriors play the Crusaders on the road in the reg season finale--)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 09, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
Final just in:

MSOE 78, Rockford 71 (A 32-14 Raider scoring run starting w 16 min left in 2nd half was the difference here-per Rockford PBP acct)

One more win by both CUC and Rockford, and Dominican is eliminated. Benedictine and MSOE clinched spots.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2011, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 09, 2011, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
Newest men's regional rankings are up. Pass it on:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/09/ncaas-2011-regional-rankings-week-2/

Wow. Edgewood only drops one spot and MSOE goes UP a position even though they both lost this week. Wish we could see the SOS numbers like we could last year.

Links to these numbers are now listed in the comments section of that blog post.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
Say Concordia(WI) finishes the regular season with a win @ Edgewood, but loses before the Conference tournament Championship game, does the NAC get two teams into the NCAA tourny?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 14, 2011, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
Say Concordia(WI) finishes the regular season with a win @ Edgewood, but loses before the Conference tournament Championship game, does the NAC get two teams into the NCAA tourny?

I think there's a pretty good chance... they're #2 in the region right now, and the next-highest team is Hanover.  They're tied with Manchester for the conference lead... and would have to lose another game themselves to be Pool C eligible.  I think that means that CUW would be "on the board" pretty early in the selection process, should they lose (the only way they wouldn't be on right away is if Augustana loses as well...

Of course, the worst thing that could happen would be for other teams with strong resumes to lose as well (if a WIAC team other than Point or River Falls would win the WIAC conference tournament, if North Central wins the CCIW, if a NESCAC team other than Amherst, Williams, or Middlebury wins the NESCAC, etc).  That would flood the Pool C hopeful list with a bunch of teams who would most probably get bids.  For teams who lose, it really becomes a "wait and see," but CUW is so highly ranked in the region and has a pretty substantial cushion on the #3 team, they seem to be in very, very good shape to make the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2011, 08:56:44 PM
Concordia(WI) #25 in the latest poll, nice accomplishment for the school and the NAC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2011, 09:23:12 AM
NAthCon playoff scenarios:

A Rockford win over CUC tonight gives the Regents the edge on tie-breakers (Cougars lost by 2 in the earlier meeting)

Should MSOE and Benedictine tie for the top spot in the South, MSOE would get the #1 seed, having swept the IL Eagle squad

A WLC win coupled with a Maranatha loss, and the Warriors would get the last spot in the North (not a gimme, WLC gets Lakeland, Maranatha plays Marian today, and then the Warriors get Maranatha on the road Thursday night,)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2011, 01:12:46 PM
CUC has to forfeit a NathCon win against Lakeland, and likely more non-conference games for use of an ineligible player.

http://northernac.org/web-2010/releases/2011/2011_02/20110215a.html

The release sounds to me like this is the only NathCon game affected.  Other non-conference teams that CUC has beat that could possibly be affected: North Park, Coe, Blackburn, Eureka, Pomona-Pitzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2011, 09:38:10 PM
Final:  CUC 67, Rockford 64
      (Regents had a last-second potential game-tying 3 bounce off the rim)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 15, 2011, 09:46:09 PM
Marian 65, Maranatha 64  Final  (Marian's Washingtion hit a base-line jumper for  the game-winning points)

One other final:  

Lakeland 96, WLC 60

With those results-it's come down to WLC/Maranatha for the last playoff spot in the North--


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 16, 2011, 10:21:01 AM
If BU loses to CUC on Thurs the top seed crossover game would be:

MSOE @ CUW?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2011, 10:29:37 AM
Yes, because MSOE hosted the first meeting...

If CUC beats BU then challenge games are:
MSOE @ CUW
BU @ EC

If BU beats CUC then challenge games are:
CUW @ BU
EC @ MSOE

Regardless of the challenge game result CUW is the overall #1 seed for the NAC Tournament. Whoever is the top seed from the South will be #2 overall.  And I think (but not sure) that the #3/#4 position will depend on the challenge game result.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 16, 2011, 11:07:07 AM
Thanks for the clarification justbill:

Thursday nights games are big!

BU@CUC
WLC@Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:32:15 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2011, 01:40:29 AM
I heard tonight that Concordia (IL) is forfeiting at least one early-season game due to the use of an ineligible player. Confirm? Deny?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 01:45:53 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2011, 01:40:29 AM
I heard tonight that Concordia (IL) is forfeiting at least one early-season game due to the use of an ineligible player. Confirm? Deny?

Front page:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/concordia-forfeits-game
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2011, 02:31:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2011, 01:45:53 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2011, 01:40:29 AM
I heard tonight that Concordia (IL) is forfeiting at least one early-season game due to the use of an ineligible player. Confirm? Deny?

Front page:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/02/concordia-forfeits-game

Thanks, Pat.

Yep, Mr. No Player was an instrumental part of CUC's win over North Park in the season opener, which is why the NPU SID told me that NPU is now apparently going to be the winner of that game by a score of 2-0. Doesn't make me feel any better, since the game was lost on the court against an opponent that the Vikings should've beaten, ineligible player or not.

Of course, if you're a Cougars fan the victory-turned-loss against Lakeland is a lot more serious than any non-conference forfeit.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2011, 10:34:24 AM
It hurts my feelings when Greg doesn't read my posts. *sniff*

Quote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2011, 01:12:46 PM
CUC has to forfeit a NathCon win against Lakeland, and likely more non-conference games for use of an ineligible player.

http://northernac.org/web-2010/releases/2011/2011_02/20110215a.html

The release sounds to me like this is the only NathCon game affected.  Other non-conference teams that CUC has beat that could possibly be affected: North Park, Coe, Blackburn, Eureka, Pomona-Pitzer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2011, 05:21:35 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2011, 10:34:24 AM
It hurts my feelings when Greg doesn't read my posts. *sniff*

Quote from: Just Bill on February 15, 2011, 01:12:46 PM
CUC has to forfeit a NathCon win against Lakeland, and likely more non-conference games for use of an ineligible player.

http://northernac.org/web-2010/releases/2011/2011_02/20110215a.html

The release sounds to me like this is the only NathCon game affected.  Other non-conference teams that CUC has beat that could possibly be affected: North Park, Coe, Blackburn, Eureka, Pomona-Pitzer.

Sorry, Bill. The way the NPU SID made it sound last night, it seemed like some sort of fresh news flash hot off the press. The NAthCon room is usually a continuous string of score updates (not that there's anything wrong with that), so I don't always check it as carefully as I should. I ought to have checked around to see if the CUC forfeit story had been announced somewhere earlier, including in this room. My bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2011, 05:31:06 PM
I'm sure my broken heart will mend.... someday. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 06:18:56 PM
WLCALUM83's latest vow:

"I, WLCALUM83, being of sound mind and body, and in the presence of Just Bill and anyone else who may prowl/post on this board over the next 3 hours or so (should tonight's game have a boatload of OT's) -do solemnly swear that I will not become overly emotionally involved in tonight's contest."

(Given that Maranatha follower libero is a friend of mine and the Warrior women have already clinched, that shouldn't be much of a problem--  :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
WLC/Maranatha up shortly:

(Warner Bros. "This is it" playing, with all the characters dancing on stage") . . . followed by 

(opening trumpet solo and first two lines of Sade's "Soldier of Love". . . )



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
Maranatha 72, WLC 72, going to OT!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 08:31:18 PM
Approx 3 min left in OT, Crusaders up by 1  game delayed while slippery floor issues are (hopefully) alleviated--
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 08:41:22 PM
Everyone ordered to clear MBBC-s gym for 30 minutes  now approx 2 3/4 min left in OT  Crusaders up 76-75 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 08:44:41 PM
Update on other score:

Benedictine 31, CUC 18  Half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 09:09:28 PM
WLC/Maranatha men's game suspended until tomorrow night-  women's game also to be rescheduled--

(This poster is reminded of the Royals/Yankees game in which the last 4 outs had to be replayed --if I recall correctly it was because of a disputed home run by George Brett-- Billy Martin was in on it too (no surprise there)

Yes, I realize I just dated myself, but so what?

:) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 09:18:53 PM
CUC up by 1 on Benedictine  approx 10 1/2 min left 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 17, 2011, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 09:09:28 PM
WLC/Maranatha men's game suspended until tomorrow night-  women's game also to be rescheduled--

(This poster is reminded of the Royals/Yankees game in which the last 4 outs had to be replayed --if I recall correctly it was because of a disputed home run by George Brett-- Billy Martin was in on it too (no surprise there)

Yes, I realize I just dated myself, but so what?

:) ;) :D
Wow. It's pretty surreal that the visiting guys' team will drive all the way back tomorrow, go through a full warmup, and then play about 3 minutes! The suspense for both teams will be pretty high since they are playing for a playoff spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 17, 2011, 09:35:38 PM
CUC - BU coming down to the wire. BU up by 1 with two minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 17, 2011, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 09:09:28 PM
WLC/Maranatha men's game suspended until tomorrow night-  women's game also to be rescheduled--

(This poster is reminded of the Royals/Yankees game in which the last 4 outs had to be replayed --if I recall correctly it was because of a disputed home run by George Brett-- Billy Martin was in on it too (no surprise there)

Yes, I realize I just dated myself, but so what?

:) ;) :D
Wow. It's pretty surreal that the visiting guys' team will drive all the way back tomorrow, go through a full warmup, and then play about 3 minutes! The suspense for both teams will be pretty high since they are playing for a playoff spot.


Warriors would have had that one in regulation if they'd have hit their FT's down the stretch--
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
CUC loses by 2--Cougar announcers say their team is out of the playoffs--
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
Suspended WLC/Maranatha game scheduled to resume at 6:00 pm tomorrow-per Maranatha site.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 17, 2011, 10:13:26 PM
It looks as though Benedictine will hold on and win at CUC - 70-67. The way I see it, Benedictine wraps up the top spot in the South, while CUC will finish out of the playoff contention. They are tied with Rockford for 4th place, but since those two split their two meetings, Rockford wins the tie-breaker due to a sweep over Dominican while CUC split with Dominican. Of course this would all be a moot point if they would not have had to forfeit their win over Lakeland, but it is what it is.

Frankly, I'm not sure what to make of CUC's season. Yes, they were picked to win the South Division and are going to end up out of the playoffs, so there has to be disappointment. At first glance, you'd say that they just lost too many close conference games (two 2 point losses, a 3 point loss, a four point loss, and a double overtime loss). Then someone might counter that without their ineligible player they wouldn't have even been in some of those close losses and may have indeed lost some of their close wins that they had early on - a 3 point win and three overtime wins. However, the case could be made that they were actually playing their best ball of the entire season over the final 13 games of the year - including an emotional win at Concordia - Ann Arbor which is arguably better than any team in the NAC. And all this while dealing with the passing of a member of their basketball family.

Part of the purpose of sport is to build character, and I think that CUC's team must have banked a whole bunch of it this year. Hopefully the seniors can move on to be productive members of society and the program can continue to move in the direction that they have been going in the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on February 17, 2011, 11:21:21 PM
RFMichgian...I would like to agree and disagree with your prior statement about CUC. To start off, if the Conference would have known that James Morgan was an ineligible player and not have been playing this whole year, they would not have been picked to be #1. The conference would have went with Benedictine most likely.

I agree with remark that they have been playing better ball these last few games...however, teams tend to play a little differently the second time around so fluff may have played a factor as well just knowing they beat them up the first time around.

On regards to the Ann-Arbor game, it was a very good an emotional win for them. However Ann Arbor is not arguably a better team than anyone in the NAC. Ann Arbor did beat CUW, but also shot 70% from the 3 point line. And being on a high, the next night against CUC, Ann Arbor short a poor 5-23 from the 3 point line. Ann Arbor would be lucky to finish in the top 3 in the NAC if that.

I will fully agree with you however on the fact that they built a lot of character this year. I happen to be personal friends with the player that lost his father to cancer a few weeks ago. I also know that a few other players found out their parents had cancer this season. It's sincerely a tough issue. But it is the team and the family that makes D3 sports so special. They are not getting their school paid for by bball...instead they pay to be a part of something special, that team and family. CUC most certainly grew closer together as a family this year and built some solid character.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 18, 2011, 12:35:30 PM
jdubb104 - Thanks for the reply! In regards to some of your thoughts:

Quote from: jdubb104 on February 17, 2011, 11:21:21 PM
RFMichgian...I would like to agree and disagree with your prior statement about CUC. To start off, if the Conference would have known that James Morgan was an ineligible player and not have been playing this whole year, they would not have been picked to be #1. The conference would have went with Benedictine most likely.

This is a very good point. In fact, looking back at the pre-season rankings, if each coach would have dropped CUC by an average of one place in their rankings, CUC's predicted finish would have dropped to third in their division and in all probability even further below that.

Quote from: jdubb104 on February 17, 2011, 11:21:21 PM
I agree with remark that they have been playing better ball these last few games...however, teams tend to play a little differently the second time around so fluff may have played a factor as well just knowing they beat them up the first time around.

I think that this could be the case with Benedictine last night as BU handled CUC easily (despite the final score) back in December when CUC had Morgan.  However, BU was playing for 1st place in the division, so I don't think complacency was a problem for them last night.

The biggest factor as to why CUC was playing better in the last half of the season? Maybe the competition. They beat the teams that they were supposed to beat! (But they DID beat them.) As a track coach of mine once said, " You want to get a better record? Schedule teams you can beat." ;)

Quote from: jdubb104 on February 17, 2011, 11:21:21 PM
On regards to the Ann-Arbor game, it was a very good an emotional win for them. However Ann Arbor is not arguably a better team than anyone in the NAC. Ann Arbor did beat CUW, but also shot 70% from the 3 point line. And being on a high, the next night against CUC, Ann Arbor short a poor 5-23 from the 3 point line. Ann Arbor would be lucky to finish in the top 3 in the NAC if that.

As I said right after CIT, I think that CUW was better than CU-AA (but don't tell CU-AA that). However after watching CU-AA in a couple of games this year and a couple of other teams in their conference, I'm pretty sure CU-AA would be favored to win just about every game they played against NAC teams except, ironically, CUW - not that they would win every game mind you. (But hey, they're a scholarship-granting NAIA school. They should be favored against NAC teams.)

And please give my condolences to Jacob. Tom was a freshman the year after I graduated, but we had mutual friends so I was aquainted with him. In fact, I sat with him at the CUC-CUW game two years ago, and we had a real nice conversation. My prayers go out to the family.

Good to have you on the board! Don't be a stranger.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
WLC/Maranatha going to a 2nd OT tied at 76!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
WLC 88, Maranatha 87  Final  2 OTs!  The Warriors get in by the skin of their teeth. I'll put more in a seperate post.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
This poster has to be honest:

IMHO-Maranatha  should have got in-- the Crusaders were only 1 defensive stop  away from doing so --had they got that stop on Marian's final possession last Tuesday,  in--or had the Crusaders not turned the ball over with 21 secs left in the 2nd OT tonight. they would have got in--and with their balance of talls and quick players who can hit 3s probably would have stood a better chance in the tournament.. WLC's going to be hobbled somewhat as it is.-(Jahns got hurt in the first half). The Warriors should consider themselves awfully lucky to have gotten in at all.  
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2011, 09:28:41 AM
NAthCon Tournament Pairings:

#8 WLC @ #1 CUW
#5 Lakeland @ #4 Edgewood
#6 Aurora @ #3 MSOE
#7 Rockford @ #2 Benedictine

My Projections:

Concordia-WI (After all the Warriors went thru last week, how much do they have left?)

Edgewood

MSOE  in a tight one (Raiders remember the buzzer-beater in a previous match-up, will be determined not to let it happen again.)

Benedictine (especially if Green stays out of foul trouble and the whole squad takes good care of the ball--Rockford can still take this if Malone has another big day scoring and the Regents get a lot of points off turnovers.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 21, 2011, 11:55:12 AM
NAC Quarters Prediction:

CUW over WLC - Falcons just too strong (and remembering the shocking loss to #8 Domincan last year)

Benedictine over Rockford - I just don't think that Benedictine will let a one-man gang beat them

I'm going to take Edgewood over Lakeland because . . . umm.

The last one I'm really struggling with. I've always liked MSOE, but they usually manage to underperform in the playoffs. I don't think that Aurora is the better team, but they do have experience in this playoff gig and I think they have a swagger. Aurora
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 21, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
CUW over WLC - CUW has too much talent and it's at home

Benedictine over Rockford - Snelling/Green are too much for Rockford to handle

Edgewood beats up a 'shrinking' Lakeland squad

I'm going with MSOE over Aurora, Meier and the rest of the Raiders turn up the defense and pull out a win
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 07:50:57 PM
Rockford/Benedictine NAthCon playoff action on deck:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 08:38:56 PM
Benedictine 46, Rockford 40  Half

(Regents' Stinson unavailable per Ben feed-serving a 1 game suspension)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
Lakeland 35, Edgewood 34  Half

MSOE and Aurora tied at 32  Half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 09:13:01 PM
Benedictine 67, Rockford 55  Approx 10 min left 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 09:38:49 PM
Benedictine 91, Rockford 76  Final

(Snelling --26 rebounds, 15 pts)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 09:47:55 PM
Per Edgewood announcers:

CUW 90, WLC 58  Final
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 09:56:33 PM
Edgewood 84, Lakeland 72  Final

(This poster switched and caught the last 11 min of the 2nd half of this one-WI Eagles were down by 8 when he tuned in, with Faurote and Wisniewski on the bench due to foul trouble, Cates and Barczak stepped it up scoring wise, while Lakeland missed several free-throws and was limited to several 1 and dones as time ran on. )

Aurora/MSOE final yet to come in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2011, 10:17:36 PM
Final (per Aurora site)  Aurora 72, MSOE 67
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on February 24, 2011, 02:53:25 PM
One Round Do...Two More To Go...

Semifinals

CUW vs. Edgewood

Benedictine vs. Aurora

Predictions anyone?

I'm going to go with CUW and Benedictine...both pretty much for the same reason. They are the 2 athletic teams in the conference that can play a consistent up and down game for 40 minutes. Also both Edgewood and Aurora are coming off games on Wednesday that they had to play tough full games for. Edgewood didnt blow the game open until the last 2 minutes. CUW pulled its started 5 minutes into the second half. Benedictine is to athletic for Aurora. Cameron Snelling has no one to stop him on Aurora's team.  Any other thoughts or predictions for Friday nights games?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 24, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
Okay, semis in the NAC.

CUW over Edgewood. Too many quality weapons for CUW. Plus they're more rested as jdubb104 said, although this might come into play even more if they advance to the finals.

I'd love to go against the grain and pick Aurora, but not as badly as I'd like to see a CUW-BU final. BU
Note: If Benedictine does in fact win, the championship game will be their 6th game in the last 12 days. That's a lot of basketball at this point in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
I think most people would pick CUW and BU, so let's alter the question a little bit.

Between EC and AU, which underdog is more likely to pull an upset?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2011, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
I think most people would pick CUW and BU, so let's alter the question a little bit.

Between EC and AU, which underdog is more likely to pull an upset?

I'd go with Aurora -especially if Green gets into foul trouble- I don't expect the IL Eagles to have quite the field day rebounding they did against Rockford.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 25, 2011, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
I think most people would pick CUW and BU, so let's alter the question a little bit.

Between EC and AU, which underdog is more likely to pull an upset?

I'd certainly go with Aurora if I had to pick an upset. I think they "match up" well with Benedictine.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Aurora/Benedictine about to get underway:
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Post by: psquonk on February 25, 2011, 08:55:05 PM
Benedictine up 35-28 at half.
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Post by: psquonk on February 25, 2011, 08:58:19 PM
Green with 11 and only 1 foul to lead Ben. Snelling with 7. Former Ben Eagle Mike Bumber leads Aurora with 10. The only person in foul trouble is Ben's Jokic with 3. Snelling was T'd up early on a no-call so he'll have to watch himself.
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Post by: psquonk on February 25, 2011, 09:50:33 PM
Ben 71 AU 60 Final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2011, 02:11:40 AM
Edgewood pulls off the upset 95-89 in what sounded like a really well played game. Eagles took the lead early and never surrendered it, although I don't think the margin ever reached double figures. Faurote had 27 and Wisniewski had 26 for EC.

Does CUW have the resume for a Pool C bid? I think so. If CUW doesn't get in this year, then the NAC simply can't get an at-large bid ever.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2011, 02:43:17 AM
If they don't have the resume for Pool C then the NCAA screwed up by putting them in the No. 1 spot in the Midwest.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2011, 09:10:32 AM
Which Eagle squad wins the NAthCon Final tonight?

Going with the one out of the Land of Lincoln in a tight one--Benedictine's at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2011, 01:33:16 PM
Would love to hear a perspective from the CUW fans we have on here. Sounded like an outstanding game. Seemed liek CUW couldn't got over the top. Mistakes on crucial plays or EC getting stops when needed?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 26, 2011, 03:32:28 PM
I'm going to go with Benedictine even though this is their 6th game in 12 days. This might be a case where Edgewood played their "game of the year" in the semis just to get to the finals and just can't repeat that performance. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
Edgewood/Benedictine on deck:

("Game Face" song of your choice playing. . . . )
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2011, 08:19:33 PM
Benedictine 17, Edgewood 10  Approx 10 1/2 min left 1st half
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2011, 08:36:53 PM
Benedictine 36, Edgewood 25  Half
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Benedictine 49, Edgewood 39  10 1/2 min left 2nd half
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 26, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
Benedictine 70, Edgewood 59  Final

Congratulations, IL Eagles!!!  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2011, 02:43:54 PM
Here are stats for Wooster (Benedictine's 1st round opponent):

http://www.woosterathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/teams/wooster?sort=ptspg&view=lineup&pos=r=0

(schedule and results)
http://www.woosterathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/teams/wooster?view=gamelog
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2011, 02:50:18 PM
Stats for Luther-IA:

http://sports.luther.edu/stats/men/basketball/2010-11/teamstat.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on March 04, 2011, 08:55:20 AM
Both NAC Teams are in action tonight in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. Any ideas on each team's performances? Benedictine got a tough draw going to Wooster right away. However if Green and Snelling play tough and the rest of their team follows their roles, their athleticism may help them in this one. CUW got a good draw I believe in Luther. I think it is a good opportunity for the NAC to win its first NCAA game. Correct me if I am wrong. I don't know if Aurora won any games when they made it. All in all, it is good for the NAC to have 2 teams in the NCAA tournament. A great accomplishment for this young conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2011, 08:16:12 PM
Wooster 38, Benedictine 30  Half
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Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 04, 2011, 11:11:21 PM
NAthCon Men O-fer on the night!  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 30, 2011, 01:24:26 AM
Two NathCon coaches, Todd Adrian of Edgewood and Brian Miller of MSOE, are among the six finalists for the UW-Eau Claire head coaching job.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 05, 2011, 11:52:17 AM
Dominican assistant coach Sam Hargraves has been named as the new head coach at Alma. (http://www.alma.edu/athletics/mbb/archives/2011/05/04/hargraveshired)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: kenoshamark on May 30, 2011, 09:49:34 PM
Here is the link to follow the Lakeland basketball team, staff, family and friends during a current trip to Prague.

http://lakeland.edu/athletics/blog-from-prague.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on October 20, 2011, 06:12:50 PM
Any thoughts on this years season already? Who your favorites for the conference may be? Going off of the end of last years performance and returning players, I would say the top 2 teams in the conference will definitely be Concordia Wisc. and Edgewood. They each have a lot of fire power returning and a ton of depth. Both of their conference games will be as if its for the conference championship. The North in general looks to be a lot tougher than the South this year. Lakeland returns a lot and also gets Schwarz back after his knee injury. If he can stay healthy they can be a tough team. Let me know your thoughts.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on October 28, 2011, 11:47:15 AM
I'll shake off the dust and throw my hat into the ring jdubb104, since it looks like no one else has yet to come out of off-season hibernation. 

I don't see anyone out of the south contending with the north teams this year, which is unusual, the south in my mind tends to be deeper year in and year out.  I was surprised with the turnout of the conference preseason voting.  I thought Edgewood would have been picked #1 in the North this year with their returning 'honorable mention preseason all-american' (Faurote), named by the Sporting News.  I think that's a bit of a stretch, but who am I to judge.  Nonetheless I see Concordia winning the North again this year and possibly overcoming their Conference Tournament struggles.  They return 3 starters, PG, SG,& SF, two of which were 2nd team all-NAC last season.  They will get major contributions off the bench from Nick Doedens, David Lopez, and a host of returning role players.  I don't think anyone in the NAC has the depth to run with the Falcons.  I'm picking the Benedictine Eagles, led by Nate Green, to win the depleated NAC South followed closely by AU.   

I do think however that both Edgewood and CUW will make the NCAA tournament.  Looking at schedules if Concordia starts their season off undefeated they will quickly find themselves a national ranking and Edgewood, if they have the season they could have, will have a high regional ranking and possibly a national ranking as well. 

My surprise teams this season:

Maranatha-The Crusaders are no longer the whipping boy of the NAC or the old LMC.  Gone are the days of 'gimme' wins against the small Baptist College.  They return a good core of players and have some size to go along with their underrated athleticism.  They won't be sneaking up on anyone this year.   

Lakeland-The Muskies could turn things around this season if they stay healthy and play together.  They get Jake Schwarz back for his 3rd Senior year after 2 ACL surgeries.  The Muskies brought in a solid group of youngsters last year and will hopefully find some senior leadership to lead the Muskies back to the upper ranks of the NAC.

ON WISCONSIN!   

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 28, 2011, 11:59:21 PM
Here is the preseason poll in case you missed it...

2011-12 Northern Athletics Conference Preseason Coaches' Poll
NORTH DIVISION
1. Concordia Wisconsin (7), 64
2. Edgewood (5), 63
3. Lakeland, 52
4. Marian, 33
5. Wisconsin Lutheran, 23
6. Maranatha, 17

SOUTH DIVISION
1. Aurora (8), 68
2. Benedictine (4), 63
3. MSOE, 46
4. Concordia Chicago, 30
5. Dominican, 26
6. Rockford, 19

first-place votes in parentheses
voted by the conference's 12 head coaches
6-5-4-3-2-1 point scale used for each division

http://www.northernac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/2011102706dk4r
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on October 28, 2011, 11:47:15 AMI do think however that both Edgewood and CUW will make the NCAA tournament.

That would be a first. Neither the NAthC nor its two predecessors, the Northern Illinois and Iowa Conference and the Lake Michigan Conference, have ever placed two teams in the D3 tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 01, 2011, 05:30:44 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on October 28, 2011, 11:47:15 AMI do think however that both Edgewood and CUW will make the NCAA tournament.

That would be a first. Neither the NAthC nor its two predecessors, the Northern Illinois and Iowa Conference and the Lake Michigan Conference, have ever placed two teams in the D3 tourney.

Except for.... LAST SEASON. CUW and Benedictine both made the tournament.

(I think I got one up on Greg!)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2011, 05:43:11 PM
Indeed, you did.

Score one point for Bill, and one brain fart for Greg. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ausid on November 01, 2011, 05:54:20 PM
Sager,

In the former NIIC (Northern Illinois-Iowa Conference) both Aurora and Rockford (2001-2002) and Aurora and Benedictine (2000-2001) made the NCAA tournament in the same years. In 01-02 Aurora won the opening round game at Trinity and Rockford had a bye into the 2nd round.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2011, 07:04:01 PM
You're right, except that the year Aurora and Rockford both made it was 2002-03, not 2001-02.

Nevertheless, the moral of the story for me is: Double-check the record book before you hit "post", even when you think you know what you're talking about.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on November 02, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
I think it's very likely both Edgewood and CUW make the NCAA Tourny, both teams have Tournament qaulity rosters and schedules that will prepare them for post season play
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on November 15, 2011, 12:07:59 PM
TIP-OFF Night!!!

Edgewood@Lake Forest
CUW@UW-La Crosse
Marian@Ripon
CUC@Manchester College
Benedictine@Knox College
WLC@Silver Lake College
Dominican@Univ. of Chicago
Aurora@Augustana

There are my picks, the NAC goes 3-5 on opening night
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 15, 2011, 09:41:42 PM
Edgewood beats Lake Forest 61-54. Wisniewski with 16, Nkemnji with 15.

Chicago beats Dominican 92-80

WLC beats Silver Lake 81-55.

CUW beats UW-La Crosse 63-57 (Always nice to beat a WIAC team).

Benedictine beats Knox 69-63.

Manchester beats CUC 63-47.

Augustana is up 15 on Aurora with about 8 to go.

Rockford leads Millikin by 6 with 11 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 19, 2011, 04:51:06 PM
Edgewood leads UW-Superior 36-22 at halftime. Wisniewski, Craig and Janusek have 7 each for the Eagles. Hjelter has 8 for the Jackets. EC has just 2 turnovers.

Video: http://www.ifan.tv/ads/uws/uws.html

EDIT: Edgewood holds on for a 73-67 win. UWS came all the way back and tied it, but couldn't get over the hump.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 28, 2011, 10:52:17 AM
Michael Janusek hit a buzzer beater to lift Edgewood over Viterbo yesterday...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwX7tDaCkA&
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on November 29, 2011, 10:21:01 AM
The new top 25 rankings just came out. Has there ever been a time where two NAC teams were receiving votes? Both Edgewood and Concordia Wisconsin are up there. These 2 teams may single handedly put the NAC on the map this year. Any other thoughts to how the season has started off and also predictions to tonights opening conference games?

Here are my picks for tonight's games: (Winner in BOLD)

Lakeland at Maranatha
Dominican at Concordia Chicago
Rockford at Aurora
MSOE at Benedictine
Concordia Wisconsin at Wisconsin Lutheran

Marian at Edgewood Wed 11/30

I wouldve picked CUW over CUC in this last weekend's game. So I am going to put my NAC Pick'Em Record at 1-0. Feel free to leave your picks and I will update a bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 29, 2011, 07:53:57 PM
I'll go with:

Maranatha
CUC
Aurora
Benedictine
CUW

11/30  Edgewood
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on November 30, 2011, 09:54:14 PM
With Edgewood knocking off Marian at home tonight, i was able to go to 7-0 on the year with NAC Pick 'em.
WLCALUM83...you were 5-1 with your only loss being Maranatha as they gave up over 100 pts. to Lakeland in a loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 04, 2011, 03:25:22 PM
Anyone know why Nate Green hasn't played in the last 2 games for Benedictine?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on December 04, 2011, 06:58:38 PM
Suspended because he assaulted a campus police officer after being told to dump out his supicious beverage in a red 'party' cup....

There is an article in the Benedictine school newspaper about it
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 04, 2011, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on December 04, 2011, 06:58:38 PM
Suspended because he assaulted a campus police officer after being told to dump out his supicious beverage in a red 'party' cup....

There is an article in the Benedictine school newspaper about it

Sounds like it was not his first 'suspicious beverage' of the day! 8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 04, 2011, 09:55:38 PM
Seems like Benedictine could be a pretty good team after being able to win its last 2 games playing without its best player who was suspended and it appears, might be dismissed from school according to the school newspaper.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on December 07, 2011, 12:09:27 PM
I heard from a credible source that his 'indefinite' suspension was really only a 3 game suspension, so if the source was right, look for Nate Green to be back this week
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 07, 2011, 09:41:22 PM
Edgewood all over Lakeland tonight on the road. EC wins 86-68. Faurote had 26 including 21 in the first half. Eagles shot 56 percent from the field and moved to 8-0. Schwarz and Regal each had 13 for LC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 12, 2011, 01:09:49 PM
Is Edgewood going to crack the Top 25 this week? Will be fun if both EC and UWSP are ranked next Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 12, 2011, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 12, 2011, 01:09:49 PM
Is Edgewood going to crack the Top 25 this week? Will be fun if both EC and UWSP are ranked next Sunday.

I have a feeling that EC has a better chance to be ranked than UWSP...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 12, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 12, 2011, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 12, 2011, 01:09:49 PM
Is Edgewood going to crack the Top 25 this week? Will be fun if both EC and UWSP are ranked next Sunday.

I have a feeling that EC has a better chance to be ranked than UWSP...

By just a scant 3 poll points, UWSP remains ranked at #25 with 63 poll points.  Edgewood is tied for the top "Others receiving votes" getter with 60, tied with Wash U (who has, in two recent games, beaten then-#1 Augustana and then-#17 Wheaton) and Wittenberg (who, in a recent game, beat then-#5 Wooster).

Could this game coming up be Edgewood's signature win?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
I suspect our voters are waiting for that same answer themselves. They know who is up in the next week on a team's schedule and I've definitely seen it happen (and voted that way myself) in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 13, 2011, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 13, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
I suspect our voters are waiting for that same answer themselves. They know who is up in the next week on a team's schedule and I've definitely seen it happen (and voted that way myself) in the past.

I think the Lake Forest win is a pretty good one... it's LFC's only blemish (though I didn't see who else the Foresters had played).

UWSP stock may start to change soon... they host #13 UW Whitewater tomorrow, are at Edgewood, and host #14 St. Thomas next Thursday.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 14, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 04, 2011, 03:25:22 PM
Anyone know why Nate Green hasn't played in the last 2 games for Benedictine?

Quote from: BadgerFan42 on December 04, 2011, 06:58:38 PM
Suspended because he assaulted a campus police officer after being told to dump out his supicious beverage in a red 'party' cup....

There is an article in the Benedictine school newspaper about it

Quote from: BadgerFan42 on December 07, 2011, 12:09:27 PM
I heard from a credible source that his 'indefinite' suspension was really only a 3 game suspension, so if the source was right, look for Nate Green to be back this week

Nope.
The suspension was indefinite until the still ongoing investigation into the concerned incident is completed. This is a University ruling as opposed to an action being taken by the basketball coach who, at this time, has nothing to say about the length of the suspension. Green still isn't playing and has now in fact missed 4 games. So much for the 3 game theory. Among the possibilities that evidently still exist are that he could be dismissed from school, or that he could be allowed to remain in school, but dismissed from the team. Green is a senior.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 16, 2011, 02:15:16 AM
Nate Green played again Wed night against Elmhurst, thus ending his suspension at 4 games.
He didn't start, but played a total of 21 minutes. Both his timing and touch were way off. Despite
missing badly on many of his shots, he continued to fire away at will, hoisting 13 shots in his 21
minutes of PT in a 6 point loss. Many of his attempts resulted from either off balance, out of control
attempted drives down the lane, or heavily forced mid-range jumpers on which he was closely defended.
For the night, he was 2 of 13 from the field, including 0 of 3 from distance, and 1 of 2 from the
line for a total of 5 points. 4 assists and 2 TOs.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 05, 2012, 04:31:22 PM
chirp . . . chirp . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 07, 2012, 09:09:55 AM
My 1/7/12 guesses:

WLC/Benedictine:  IL Eagles should take this at home
Lakeland/Rockford:  Lakeland
Edgewood/MSOE:    Edgewood 
Marian/Aurora:       Marian
CUW/Dominican:     CUW
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 07, 2012, 12:57:03 PM
WLCALUM83:

I agree with all of your picks except Marian/Aurora, but this begs the question; Just how superior is the Northern Division than the Southern Division this year? Just two years ago the balance hung rather heavily in the Southern Division's favor, but now it seems that the tide has completely flipped.

CUW, Edgewood, and Lakeland, all from the north, seem to be the top three teams in the conference. Would ANY Southern division team make the tournament if they were in the Northern Division? Maybe one? Yikes. Honestly, I was afraid that CUC might pull an ofer for the year after their non-conference results, but heck, they could be in contention for the division title and certainly a tournament berth - or miss out all together.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 07, 2012, 01:02:40 PM
It's defintiely been a shift. I think the range of quality (from top to bottom) is wider in the North, but I don't think there's any doubt that the three best teams this year all reside in the North. That's one reason it never pays to get worked up over how the divisions are split, because everything changes over time, and sometimes from year to year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 11, 2012, 05:27:00 PM
My picks for tonight:

Aurora over Dominican in a shoot out
BU over Rockford in a sloppy back and forth track meet
Lakeland over Marian in a physical North Division matchup (Both Kellers will foul out)
Edgewood gets it's swagger back against WLC

Tomorrow Night:

CUW over a depleted MBBC squad

And my upset pick:

The more athletic Cougars of Concordia Chicago over the slow down and 'grind it out' Raiders of MSOE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 12, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
3-2 on my picks for last nights games.  I must say I am surprised that Rockford and MSOE continue to win.  No one saw this coming with the group of players returning at BU and Aurora always competing for the top slot in the South. 

I do get some bonus points, The Keller twins from Marian combined for 9 Fouls, 1 short of my prediction. 

CUW over MBBC tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 14, 2012, 07:30:41 AM
My 1/14/12 guesses:

Rockford/Edgewood:    Edgewood
Aurora/Maranatha:      Aurora
Benedictine/Marian:     Benedictine
MSOE/CUW:               CUW

Non-conf.           Lakeland over Northland Int'l
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 17, 2012, 09:19:07 AM
1/17/12 guesses:

Edgewood over Maranatha
Benedictine over Dominican
CUW over Lakeland
MSOE over Rockford
Aurora over CUC
Marian over WLC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 17, 2012, 03:28:39 PM
1/17/12

Edgewood over Maranatha in a lopsided affair
Dominican will top Benedictine in a South Division Battle
Concordia-Wisconsin wins in a tight 'shoot-out' over the high scoring Muskies
Rockford's pace will be too much for MSOE to handle as the Raiders drop back-to-back games
Concordia-Chicago takes it to Aurora

And my upset of the night:

WLC notches a win behind a big night from Alex Merbach (over Marian)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2012, 04:38:58 PM
Huge week for CUW, going to both Lakeland and Edgewood. They could be a full game up in first or a full game behind in third in a matter of three days.

Nice to see four of the six games tonight have live video and all six have live stats. That's a big step up from a few years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 19, 2012, 11:43:27 AM
Picks for tonight (1/19)

The Muskies take out their frustration from Tuesday nights loss on WLC
Marian pulls out a victory in an ugly NAC North Contest
BU continues their climb back to the top of South with a win over Aurora
CUW locks down Edgewood in a battle for first place
MSOE bounces back against Dominican after 2 straight L's
This one is a toss up:
Both teams are evenly matched.  Both extremely athletic and not interested in playing defense, but I'm going with Rockford in a sloppy, but always fun to watch game against CUC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 21, 2012, 07:54:47 AM
1/21/12 guesses:

WLC/Dominican:   Dominican
Lakeland/Aurora:  Lakeland
Marian/CUC:        CUC in a tight one
MBBC/Benedictine:  Benedictine
CUW/Rockford:      CUW
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 21, 2012, 10:11:32 PM
Both division races are shaping up to be wild rides to the end. In the North, Edgewood, CUW, and Lakeland, (the best three teams in the conference) are separated by only one game and in the South, MSOE, Rockford, and Benedictine (who escaped with an OT win over Maranatha today) are separated by a half game.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 26, 2012, 03:55:04 PM
And so . . . the South Division tightens up even more as there are five teams within a game and a half of first. What's the over and under on the number of losses the division champ will have? I'm setting it at 5.5. (The leaders currently have four losses.)

I watched the last minute or so of the Marian-Edgewood game last night and it was a fun finish. Edgewood ran a sideline out-of-bounds lob to their post (who had gotten position behind Marian defender) with 3.3 seconds remaining who got off a clean layup attempt - only to see the ball roll off the rim. This put three teams in the North with two losses.

And Just Bill - will you make the trek to RF for CIT this year? I'm guessing the final will be CUW - CUAA - a matchup that I would look forward to if CUC can't pull off an upset of CUW. (By the way, isn't CUW sort of running CUAA now? So if CUAA wins it's really a CUW win? Whatever.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 28, 2012, 09:43:43 AM
My 1/28/12 in-conference guesses:

Aurora over WLC
Lakeland over MSOE
Edgewood over Dominican
Rockford over Maranatha
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 30, 2012, 02:55:23 PM
CU-AA is a subsidiary of CUW right now, so Concordia-Wisconsin could've won had Ann Arbor pulled it off, technically.  CIT was amazing this year.  All four men's games were extremely close and hard fought.  The CUC vs. CUW game was an intense back and forth battle til the end, it came down to a 3-pointer by CUW's Brian Jackson with 3.3 seconds left (Avery got off a half-courter that hit the front of the rim as time expired).  On Saturday CUC took it to CU-AA, but fell apart in overtime.  The championship game was again a very intense back and forth game.  However, CUW was on the other end of the game winning 3 that night.   They also couldn't connect from the FT-line (41.7% for the game) and that is ultimately what cost them another CIT Championship. 

Should make for an exciting finish in both divisions.  A small margin for error the rest of the way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 31, 2012, 08:33:00 AM
1/31/12 guesses:

Aurora over MSOE
WLC over Maranatha
CUW over Marian
Rockford over Dominnican

and in the game of the day-- Lakeland over Edgewood on the road
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 31, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
My picks for the night:

I want to pick MSOE over Aurora, but MSOE has proved that they aren't as good as their early record showed...Aurora wins by 15
Demuth continues his hot shooting and WLC wins safely against MBBC
CUWs defensive pressure is too much for Marian and the Falcons cruise to a victory at home
Rockford puts on an offensive clinic against a poor Dominican defense

Sticking with the trends...A high powered Muskie offense proves to be too much for Edgewood at home (83-71 LU)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 31, 2012, 05:20:52 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 30, 2012, 02:55:23 PM
CU-AA is a subsidiary of CUW right now, so Concordia-Wisconsin could've won had Ann Arbor pulled it off, technically.  CIT was amazing this year.  All four men's games were extremely close and hard fought.  The CUC vs. CUW game was an intense back and forth battle til the end, it came down to a 3-pointer by CUW's Brian Jackson with 3.3 seconds left (Avery got off a half-courter that hit the front of the rim as time expired).  On Saturday CUC took it to CU-AA, but fell apart in overtime.  The championship game was again a very intense back and forth game.  However, CUW was on the other end of the game winning 3 that night.   They also couldn't connect from the FT-line (41.7% for the game) and that is ultimately what cost them another CIT Championship.   

It was certainly an exciting weekend of basketball. Tell me if I'm way off base, but Mequon, Seward, and Ann Arbor were interchangeable in their personnel types and styles; good overall athleticism and basketball skill; athletic, quick point guards with good handles, a couple of complimentary 3-point shooters, a lanky slasher or two, and the beefy 6' 6" - 6' 8" guy in the middle. 

Honestly, I thought that the only team that really didn't have the horses was CUC, and they lost two games that they probably feel they controlled in the second half. The fact that CUW kept hoisting threes when they weren't falling (at one point the Falcons were 2-19 from behind the arc) was about the only thing that kept CUC in their semi at all. Once CUW put on the press with about five minutes to go I just had a bad feeling for CUC as they really don't have great ball handlers. (But hitting better than 2-7 from the charity stripe in the last five minutes wouldn't have hurt either.)

Other observations:
- I'm shocked at how much better Seward is now than they were last year - they were terrible in Ann Arbor in 2011. Two newcomers has made a huge difference for them.
- Rocko Holmes - CU-AA's center who dropped 28 on UM last year also has dropped about 30 pounds from last year. I'm not sure his game is any better though. I thought he was pretty nimble when he was carrying 265 pounds and he seemed to have pretty good stamina a year ago as well. Ann Arbor is going to have to go out and find themselves a big man next year.
- Luke Doedens is a really smooth player - probably the best all-around player in the tournament. CUW is really going to miss him.
- It was amazing to watch CUC's Charles Gorden wiggle to the hoop for 26 against CU-AA. He was almost unstoppable even though he was giving up some serious height and weight to Ann Arbor's centers. I wish RF would have fed him the ball down on the block some more. (I also wish that he would have played in the first half against CUW - not sure why he was out.) He only went 9-9 in the second half against CUW and 20 - 25 (80%) from the field for the tournament. Sheesh.)
- Speaking of free throws, CU-AA went 13-14 in the last 6 minutes of regulation plus overtime. CUC went 1-5 including a miss with no time on the clock which would have won the game. Double sheesh.
- The eventual game-winning three that the guy from Seward hit was a prayer. A friend of mine and I were standing on the floor behind the play and directly lined up with the ball and the basket, and the guy was basically moving hard in the air parallel to the free throw line when he let the shot go. Somehow it went in. Doeden's shot to tie was a clean look, and I can't believe it didn't fall. 
- I'm nostalgic for the old days, but this tournament now features two scholarship-granting NAIA schools which just doesn't sit right with me.  Maybe it doesn't make much of a difference seeing how close the four games were (Three games decided by total of seven points plus and an overtime game in the fourth.) but, man, I don't know. It was fantastic atmosphere though, so there's that.

Now for the picks:
Aurora over MSOE (Aurora needs this one pretty badly and MSOE is slumping)
WLC over MBBC
CUW over Marian (No upset tonight for Marian)
Rockford over Domincan (although I wouldn't be surprised by a Stars upset with Rockford looking past them)
Lakeland over Edgewood (I think Edgewood will be thinking about their Marian loss.)
Now . . . I'm just not sure how CUC will recover from their CIT last-second losses. On the one hand they may be reeling. On the other hand, they hung tough with two very talented squads. I think CUC will play well down the season stretch, but Benedictine wins at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 01, 2012, 09:24:53 AM
You bring up the point about the Scholarship schools at C.I.T...I really don't think it matters at this point.  Maybe it's because Seward hasn't been very good the past couple of years (really they still aren't), but if CUW had hit their FT's the CIT championship would've gone to a D3 school for the 3rd straight year.  If you remember way back 4 years ago, CUW lost by 1 to CUNE at Seward in the championship game.  That year Seward was loaded with talent.  Now I could be wrong, I think the scholarships might come into play for the next couple of years because CUW and CUC are both losing a lot of talent after this season so we could see Sewards return to dominance, but for as long as I've known about CIT...it isn't always the most talented team that wins that tournament. 

Anyone else surprised by Edgewood taking care of business against LU last night??  MSOE burning the nets up with 37 points....in the game... 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 01, 2012, 09:33:13 AM
More surprising was Edgewood beating LC despite getting just two points from Wisniewski. He did have six assists so he found a way to contribute. EC got big games off the bench from Williams and Klocek.

For LC, Schwarz and Ward had about what you would expect, although Schwarz didn't get to the free throw line at all in the second half. Regal struggled shooting as much as Wisniewski did, although he still made some great drives late in the game.

I saw the shot by Doedens in the CUW game to tie it on video. Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 01, 2012, 11:46:00 AM
Not sure if many of you know who Matt Menzl is, former CUW sports radio broadcaster and now he primarily does horizon league sports, but he said it best, "Luke Doedens is one of the most clutch players I've seen down the stretch...".  His shot at the end of the Championship game at CIT is one he makes 9 out of 10 times, it was Sewards day...

Surprising that EC won with Wisniewski only scoring 2, that is typically their formula for a loss if he doesn't score, also helps when the Craig has 20+...it will be an interesting finish, 4 games left?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 01, 2012, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on January 31, 2012, 05:20:52 PM- I'm nostalgic for the old days, but this tournament now features two scholarship-granting NAIA schools which just doesn't sit right with me.  Maybe it doesn't make much of a difference seeing how close the four games were (Three games decided by total of seven points plus and an overtime game in the fourth.) but, man, I don't know. It was fantastic atmosphere though, so there's that.

You might be making much ado about nothing here, RFM. I don't know if you follow the "D3 vs. other divisions" room in the Multi-Regional Topics section, but if you don't you would be surprised by what you find in there. Every year, without fail, D3 and NAIA Division Two play roughly to a draw, and that usually covers about 150 games or so between the two divisions. Simply put, there's not all that much to the whole idea of scholarships in NAIA-2.

For NAIA-1, it's a different story; those schools get twelve scholies apiece, and they frequently use them to good effect. The top tier of that division is more comparable to the NCAA's D2 than it is to D3, and NAIA-1 beats D3 handily in head-to-head competition every year.

But for NAIA-2, the six scholies that its schools are allowed don't often go very far. Lots of NAIA-2 teams give out scholarships that are well under the maximum allowed, both in numbers and in money, and other NAIA-2 schools don't even give out scholies at all. And lots of schools split up their scholarship money so that they can distribute partial scholarships among a wider variety of players. I've heard what some CCAC schools in the league's Division Two section give out as scholarship money, and it's really a pittance. Add in the fact that there's typically less prestige from an academic standpoint among NAIA schools than what is enjoyed among D3 schools, which gives D3 schools a recruiting advantage, and you can start to see why there's rough parity between the two on the national level.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 02, 2012, 11:26:37 AM
Couldn't agree more with Mr. Sager (any relation to the always well dressed Craig Sager?).  During my time as a Division 3 basketball player I was never impressed with NAIA-D2 schools, they're basically division 3 with the ability to throw a few hundred dollars at a kid and call it an athletic scholarship.

Picks for tonight, only one:

The Falcons, always tough to beat on their home floor, cruise past MBBC to pick up an extra win.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 02, 2012, 11:42:17 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 02, 2012, 11:26:37 AM
(any relation to the always well dressed Craig Sager?).

Nope, and I definitely don't reach his sartorial standards. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 03, 2012, 01:59:43 PM
All it takes is a wild suit coat and a tie that doesn't match...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 04, 2012, 09:11:55 AM
2/4/12 guesses:

Lakeland over Benedictine:
CUC over Maranatha:
Marian over Dominican:
Edgewood over Aurora:
MSOE over WLC:                 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 05, 2012, 11:03:20 AM
Lot's of moving and shaking last night, CUW plays both Lakeland & Edgewood in the final weeks, going to be interesting
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 08, 2012, 01:50:23 PM
Picks for tonight:

Aurora continues their push after beating EC and shoots their way past the Cougars
MSOE scores 42 points in a lop sided loss at Rockford
the Eagles put on a strong showing against a defeated Dominican team
Marian gets their bid into the NAC tourny by handling WLC
In the game of the week, CUW pulls out a close one at home in physical rivalry game against Lakeland

Tomorrow night: 
Edgewood takes care of business against MBBC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
Regional rankings also come out today. Will be interesting to see how the regional advisory committee handles the three NAC teams who are all 16-5.

Head-to-head-to-head EC is 3-0, CUW is 1-1 and LC is 0-3. EC has a win over Lake Forest who will probably in the rankings, while LC lost to LFC. CUW went 3-1 against the WIAC so they're SOS numbers should be strong. even though none of the four teams they played is over .500 in the WIAC. Tough to know which criteria the RAC will weigh more. Or perhaps the numbers will leave all three out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 08, 2012, 05:08:32 PM
Well, here's our answers...

Midwest
1 Washington U. 15-4 15-5
2 Transylvania 18-1 19-2
3 Lake Forest 17-2 18-2
4 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-4 17-4
5 North Central (Ill.) 14-4 15-6
6 Illinois Wesleyan 14-5 16-5
7 Edgewood 14-5 16-5
8 Concordia (Wis.) 15-4 16-4

Breakdown of the data: http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankings&sportCode=MBB&region=35&division=3

SOS numbers:
WashU - .589
Transy - .499
LFC - .525
Wheaton - .536
NCC - .505
IWU - .558
EC - .516
CUW - .497
-------------------------
LC - .448

Appears that EC's SOS and head-to-head win carried the day over CUW.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 09, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Another clutch performance for CUW senior Luke Doedens last night.  Does conf. POY go to the guy who has better #'s or to the guy that means the most to his team?

If it's the latter, it would be hard denying Luke Doedens that award, guy has done some amazing things for that team this year...especially in crunch time
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 09, 2012, 04:15:13 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 09, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Another clutch performance for CUW senior Luke Doedens last night.  Does conf. POY go to the guy who has better #'s or to the guy that means the most to his team?

If it's the latter, it would be hard denying Luke Doedens that award, guy has done some amazing things for that team this year...especially in crunch time

Or how about just give it to the guy who's the best, most talented player out there. Okay, that's too subjective, I know.

So how about this. Who are you going to pick first for a 5 on 5 pick-up game if you have the first pick and the pool you're choosing from is the entire conference? (See, I've solved this argument for all time.)  I haven't personally seen the guys from Lakeland or Edgewood, but if I had the first pick I'd go with Doedens the elder.

I've never thought the POY should go to the "big stat" guy. And for some reason I don't necessarily feel good about "the best player on the best team" getting it either.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 10, 2012, 03:08:24 PM
After seeing most of the teams in the NAC I would say that Luke Doedens makes CUW the best team in the conference.  Without him they are a team that loses 3-4 more games in conference....plus I would probably pick him first to be on my team in a pick up game.

I don't believe that POY should go to the guy that puts up big #'s, some of these guys are products of their system and typically only play on one end of the floor.  I've only seen a few guys this year that have an impact on both ends like Doedens does.  He is probably the most complete player in the NAC.  Anyone else got thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 10, 2012, 07:24:58 PM
My top 3 in this order are:

Doedens, CUW
Schwartz, LC
Faurote, EC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 11, 2012, 08:25:18 AM
2/11/12 guesses:

Benedictine over Rockford
CUC over MSOE 
CUW over Maranatha
Edgewood over WLC 
Aurora over Dominican
Lakeland over Marian
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2012, 06:30:00 PM
All three CCIW teams in front of EC and CUW in the regional standings went 1-1 this week. Don't know if that will be enough to boost either the Eagles or the Falcons. Of course, it might be a moot point by the time the rankings comeout on Wednesday since they play on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2012, 12:11:23 PM
The final night of regular season play:

The Muskies handle WLC in a blowout
Dominican cruises past MSOE to finish off the season
Maranatha can't quite pull of the upset against Marian
Rockford uses homecourt to their advantage against CUC
Aurora can't stop the the Eagles in quest for a 3rd straight South title

In the game of the night, CUW avenges an early season loss with a close win over Edgewood
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 14, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
Lots of intriguing match-ups with divisional championship and playoff implications tonight.

In the North:
If CUW beats Edgewood, they win the division outright and the #1 seed for the division. CUW will not be denied.

In the South (whoo boy . . .):
Rockford and CUC meet with the winner clinching at least a share of first and a possible outright crown. It's at Rockford, but I'll go with my heart and say CUC.

Benedictine goes to Aurora. If Bennie wins, they gain a share of the divisional championship - they cannot win it outright. Aurora is playing just to get into the playoffs, (but can still qualify even if they lose if MSOE falls as well). Benedictine

Being the top seed is South pretty important because they don't have to play any of the "big 3" of CUW, Lakeland, and Edgewood in the quarters, plus they get to play a semi-final at home if they advance that far.

MSOE is playing for something besides pride, so I'll go with them.

Marian over MBBC

Lakeland over WLC
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2012, 08:51:56 PM
Good one brewing in Mequon. 29-28 CUW over EC at halftime. Zelinski has 11 for the Falcons, Wisniewski 10 for the Eagles.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cuw-falcons

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46422793/XLIVE.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 14, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
CUW does, in fact, hold on to beat Edgewood by 3.

Now I want someone, ANYONE, who saw the end of the Benedictine - Aurora game in person PLEASE describe what happened in the last 8 seconds. All I could see from the (bouncing/wiggling/semi-scratchy) video was that it seemed as though Green from BU (down by one at the time) drove to the basket and missed a little runner in the lane. Then a Benedictine player somehow corralled the ball and tried to go back up towards the hoop, but the ball seemed to slip out of his hand and go flying crazily up into the air. At that moment, the video froze! About two seconds later, the video went live again with a rather close-up, fuzzy picture of the ball dropping through the basket as the Aurora players were signaling "no good" while the Benedictine players were charging the court!!  What happened? (At first Livestats showed 0:00 on the clock with Aurora up by one, but then it showed Benedictine with a one point "Final" victory.) 

In Rockford, CUC blew out to an 18 point halftime lead en route to a 12 point win over the Regents to earn a share of the division championship with Benedictine. If I read the tie-breaker correctly, Benedictine gets the #1 seed in the south due to a season sweep over MSOE whereas CUC spilt with them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 15, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
CUW not listed in latest regional ranking?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 15, 2012, 10:30:01 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 15, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
CUW not listed in latest regional ranking?

Tuesday game against Edgewood was not included in that ranking. Only games through Sunday. Hanover got a boost in both SOS and Record vs Ranked opponents, that pushed them up.

I expect EC to fall out next week. CUW might get back in as long as they don't lose on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on February 16, 2012, 02:24:27 AM
I have a question on how seeding is done for the conference tourney. I understand that division champs get #1 and #2, second place gets #3 and #4, etc. But how is it determined who gets which. I thought the Challenge Game decides it but EC-CUC and LC-RC games don't matter but the CUW-BU and MU-AU games do. It can't be better record afterwards because CUW is 14-2 and BU is 10-6 in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 16, 2012, 10:18:18 AM
CUW vs BU game matters because BU beat CUW earlier in the year.  Therefore, if BU wins again on Saturday, they hold the tie-breaker over CUW and would get the #1 seed.  I'm not sure about the AU vs. MU game, but I'm assuming that it's something along those lines.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2012, 10:33:32 AM
It goes like this....

After the Challenge game, you compare the TWO head-to-head meetings between the two schools. If one team swept the other, then obviously, they get the higher seed. If they split, you go to a tiebreaker. The tiebreaker is each team's cumulative record against the top teams in the conference, working from the top of the standings to the bottom, if necessary.

So for CUW and BU it looks like this...

BU won the first meeting, so if BU wins on Saturday, they are the #1 overall seed. If not, we go to tiebreaker...
- Compare vs #2's (Edgewood & Concordia Chi.) - CUW went 2-1, BU went 1-2.
Therefore, CUW would win the tiebreaker and get the #1 overall seed, should they win on Saturday.

For EC and CUC it looks like this...

EC won the first meeting, so if EC wins on Saturday, they are the #3 overall seed. The tiebreaker looks like this...
- Compare vs. #1's (Concordia Wis. & Benedictine) - EC went 2-1, CUC went 1-2.
Therefore EC would win the tiebreaker. Since EC won the first meeting and holds the tiebreaker advantage, we know that they will be the overall #3 seed regardless of Saturday's outcome. CUC will be #4.

Silly and unnecessarily complicated? Oh yes. The good news is the Challenge game has been scrapped for the future, so this is the last season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 16, 2012, 01:10:34 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering that myself.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 16, 2012, 01:48:49 PM
"Silly and unnecessarily complicated? Oh yes. The good news is the Challenge game has been scrapped for the future, so this is the last season."


-Couldn't agree more, thank god that it's gone after this year.  Following this season, I assume it will just come down to overall records to determine the seeds?  Like a normal conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2012, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 16, 2012, 01:48:49 PM
"Silly and unnecessarily complicated? Oh yes. The good news is the Challenge game has been scrapped for the future, so this is the last season."


-Couldn't agree more, thank god that it's gone after this year.  Following this season, I assume it will just come down to overall records to determine the seeds?  Like a normal conference.

Yet to be determined. I imagine it will either be conference record first through eighth like you said, or they will just seed each division 1-4, and then play 1N vs. 4S, 2N vs. 3S, 3N vs. 2S and 4N vs. 1S.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 16, 2012, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 14, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
Now I want someone, ANYONE, who saw the end of the Benedictine - Aurora game in person PLEASE describe what happened in the last 8 seconds. All I could see from the (bouncing/wiggling/semi-scratchy) video was that it seemed as though Green from BU (down by one at the time) drove to the basket and missed a little runner in the lane. Then a Benedictine player somehow corralled the ball and tried to go back up towards the hoop, but the ball seemed to slip out of his hand and go flying crazily up into the air. At that moment, the video froze! About two seconds later, the video went live again with a rather close-up, fuzzy picture of the ball dropping through the basket as the Aurora players were signaling "no good" while the Benedictine players were charging the court!!  What happened? (At first Livestats showed 0:00 on the clock with Aurora up by one, but then it showed Benedictine with a one point "Final" victory.) 

Here's the video...

http://northernac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/videos/20120216-putm02m3
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 16, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
Thanks. That video was much clearer than the live video and from a much wider angle. That was really an amazing shot. It seems as though the guy who sort of threw the ball towards the rim knew he didn't have much time to shoot until the final horn sounded, so he just got rid of it as quickly as he could - like a hot potato. The ball bounced around on the rim so many times that it musty have gone in a full second after the horn sounded.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2012, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 15, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
CUW not listed in latest regional ranking?

I think another reason Edgewood was ranked ahead of Concordia (WI) is because they've played more games against regionally ranked opponents, which is a factor the first time this season.  Though they've lost, they have "results". 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2012, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 15, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
CUW not listed in latest regional ranking?

I think another reason Edgewood was ranked ahead of Concordia (WI) is because they've played more games against regionally ranked opponents, which is a factor the first time this season.  Though they've lost, they have "results".

Until this week, Edgewood was also 1-0 head-to-head, which was probably the biggest factor of all. I expect to change a lot next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 18, 2012, 10:00:47 PM
2012 Northern Athletics Conference Tournament
http://www.northernac.org/sports/mbkb/2011-12/tournament

Quarterfinals - Tuesday, Feb. 21, 7 p.m.
#8 Marian (10-15, 7-9) at #1 Concordia Wisconsin (20-5, 14-2)
#5 Lakeland (19-6, 12-4) at #4 Concordia Chicago (10-15, 10-6)
#7 Aurora (13-12, 8-8) at #2 Benedictine (12-13, 10-6)
#6 Rockford (12-13, 9-7) at #3 Edgewood (19-6, 12-4)

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 23, 7 p.m.
#1/8 vs. #4/5
#2/7 vs. #3/6

Final - Saturday, Feb. 25, 2 p.m.

Edgewood benefits from the NAC's goofy seeding process, ending up on the opposite side of the bracket from Lakeland and CUW. Lakeland likely will have to win three road games in the same week to make the NCAA Tournament. CUW gets to stay at home, but can't be thrilled looking at a Marian team who played them within a Doedens prayer and Lakeland possibly waiting in the semifinals.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
In the history of the NathCon Tournament, the top seed has only won it once, and that was the first year, 2007, when it was a 6-team tournament. In fact the #1 seed is just a modest 6-4 all-time.

Winning from the bottom half of the seeds isn't unheard of. Two of the five champions won three road games to win it.

Aurora has three titles, once as #1, once as a #2 and once as a #5
Benedictine has one title as a #2
Lakeland has one title as a #6
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2012, 08:12:51 AM
2/21/12 guesses:

CUW over Marian
Lakeland over CUC
Benedictine over Aurora
Edgewood over Rockford
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 21, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
CUW cruises to a victory over Marian, the Falcons came out flat last time these two teams met, they come out firing tonight
The Muskies have too much firepower for CUC, but the Cougars keep it within striking distance due to strong performances by Avery and Gordon
Edgewood and Rockford battle in a close one til the end, but the Eagles finish strong down the stretch

My upset of the night:

Aurora tops BU in a payback game
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 21, 2012, 12:06:38 PM
Tonight's quarterfinals:
I've thought from early on that the top three teams in the North are the best three teams in the conference, so I'll pick all three of them to win, however if CUC can play a little defense they could make it interesting against Lakeland.

In the last game, a rematch of their thrilling game last Wednesday, I'll go with Aurora in an upset (according to the seedings anyway) over Benedictine.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 21, 2012, 11:42:56 PM
Quarterfinals - Tuesday, Feb. 21, 7 p.m.
#1 Concordia Wisconsin 73, #8 Marian 66
#2 Benedictine 86, #7 Aurora 83
#3 Edgewood 94, #6 Rockford 84
#5 Lakeland 68, #4 Concordia Chicago 62

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 23, 7 p.m.
#5 Lakeland at #1 Concordia Wisconsin
#3 Edgewood at #2 Benedictine
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 23, 2012, 06:36:06 AM
2/23/12 guesses:

CUW over Lakeland
Benedictine over Edgewood 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 23, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
Tonight:

It's tough to really guess how tonight's game's will turn out, but I'm going to try anyways....

CUW over Lakeland in a tense, phsyical battle.  Lakeland comes in looking to avenge two narrow defeats, but the Falcons with stand the blows from the high scoring Muskie offense and get stops when they need them most

The Eagles of Edgewood play a disciplined and efficient game tonight while handing BU a loss

An all North Championship game on Saturday...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 23, 2012, 02:02:41 PM
Those are my two picks as well. I think they will both be really close games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 23, 2012, 02:09:10 PM
I think my picks are correct...but in reality they could easily go the other way, tonights games are going to be very interesting...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 23, 2012, 05:44:04 PM
My picks:
CUW over Lakeland. The one thing that CUC really didn't have an answer for from Lakeland - height in the name of Mr. Ward - will not be as much of a problem for the Falcons.

Edgewood Man this is tough, but I'm going with Edgewood. (I think I'm freaked by Bennie's head scratchers against Maranatha and Dominican.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2012, 10:26:55 PM
Lakeland takes down Concordia in Mequon.  It's Lakeland v Edgewood for the NATHCON's only bid for the NCAAs.

Lakeland pulled the triple (3 road wins) in the NATHCON's first year of existence (I think).  No AQ for the conference that year though. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Edgewood went a crazy, uncharacteristic 2-21 from the three-point line but still pulled out a 64-60 win at Benedictine. Faurote saved the day with 26 points, going 12-for-12 from inside the arc (0-5 outside).

Accorrding to Twitter, there was medical emergency in the bleachers that caused a lengthy delay near the end of the CUW-Lakeland game. Don't know what happened, but I hope that individual is OK.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on February 24, 2012, 01:32:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Edgewood went a crazy, uncharacteristic 2-21 from the three-point line but still pulled out a 64-60 win at Benedictine. Faurote saved the day with 26 points, going 12-for-12 from inside the arc (0-5 outside).

Accorrding to Twitter, there was medical emergency in the bleachers that caused a lengthy delay near the end of the CUW-Lakeland game. Don't know what happened, but I hope that individual is OK.

I started the video feed when I was looking for the result and saw there was 1.6 seconds left and they were already stopped (no announcers on the video feed). One of the commenters on the site said a they heard a girl had a seizure. There was applause before they returned to action so I assume she at least appeared to be okay. The delay was about 20 minutes though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 24, 2012, 10:05:47 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 24, 2012, 01:32:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Edgewood went a crazy, uncharacteristic 2-21 from the three-point line but still pulled out a 64-60 win at Benedictine. Faurote saved the day with 26 points, going 12-for-12 from inside the arc (0-5 outside).

Accorrding to Twitter, there was medical emergency in the bleachers that caused a lengthy delay near the end of the CUW-Lakeland game. Don't know what happened, but I hope that individual is OK.

I started the video feed when I was looking for the result and saw there was 1.6 seconds left and they were already stopped (no announcers on the video feed). One of the commenters on the site said a they heard a girl had a seizure. There was applause before they returned to action so I assume she at least appeared to be okay. The delay was about 20 minutes though.

Yes, from what I heard, she had a seizure and fell about 5 rows down in addition.  I didn't hear about any resolution for her in terms of her health... due to the delay, that might have been time for paramedics to arrive, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on February 24, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on February 24, 2012, 10:05:47 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 24, 2012, 01:32:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Edgewood went a crazy, uncharacteristic 2-21 from the three-point line but still pulled out a 64-60 win at Benedictine. Faurote saved the day with 26 points, going 12-for-12 from inside the arc (0-5 outside).

Accorrding to Twitter, there was medical emergency in the bleachers that caused a lengthy delay near the end of the CUW-Lakeland game. Don't know what happened, but I hope that individual is OK.

I started the video feed when I was looking for the result and saw there was 1.6 seconds left and they were already stopped (no announcers on the video feed). One of the commenters on the site said a they heard a girl had a seizure. There was applause before they returned to action so I assume she at least appeared to be okay. The delay was about 20 minutes though.

Yes, from what I heard, she had a seizure and fell about 5 rows down in addition.  I didn't hear about any resolution for her in terms of her health... due to the delay, that might have been time for paramedics to arrive, etc.

I work at Concordia and was at the game last night. It is unaware fully what has happened yet if she had a seizure and then fell, or fell first and had a seizure from hitting her head. She was released this morning from the hospital as there were no neck or spine injuries. She is heading to a few clinics today to find out what exactly happened.

It was quite the scene to see the crowd go from cheers and noise to silence in a matter of seconds. It stayed completely quiet for the whole delay. The 3 games that CUW vs Lakeland this year I truly believe were probably the 3 best games played in the NAC this season. It was another heck of a game last night. A lot of heart and guts were left on the court. In a total of 3 games this year between the 2, the games were decided by a total of 7 points and 3 overtimes were needed to decide them. A heck of a season for CUW though.

Any chance they get an at large bid or not? Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 24, 2012, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: jdubb104 on February 24, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
Quote from: PointSpecial on February 24, 2012, 10:05:47 AM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 24, 2012, 01:32:27 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Edgewood went a crazy, uncharacteristic 2-21 from the three-point line but still pulled out a 64-60 win at Benedictine. Faurote saved the day with 26 points, going 12-for-12 from inside the arc (0-5 outside).

Accorrding to Twitter, there was medical emergency in the bleachers that caused a lengthy delay near the end of the CUW-Lakeland game. Don't know what happened, but I hope that individual is OK.

I started the video feed when I was looking for the result and saw there was 1.6 seconds left and they were already stopped (no announcers on the video feed). One of the commenters on the site said a they heard a girl had a seizure. There was applause before they returned to action so I assume she at least appeared to be okay. The delay was about 20 minutes though.

Yes, from what I heard, she had a seizure and fell about 5 rows down in addition.  I didn't hear about any resolution for her in terms of her health... due to the delay, that might have been time for paramedics to arrive, etc.

I work at Concordia and was at the game last night. It is unaware fully what has happened yet if she had a seizure and then fell, or fell first and had a seizure from hitting her head. She was released this morning from the hospital as there were no neck or spine injuries. She is heading to a few clinics today to find out what exactly happened.

It was quite the scene to see the crowd go from cheers and noise to silence in a matter of seconds. It stayed completely quiet for the whole delay. The 3 games that CUW vs Lakeland this year I truly believe were probably the 3 best games played in the NAC this season. It was another heck of a game last night. A lot of heart and guts were left on the court. In a total of 3 games this year between the 2, the games were decided by a total of 7 points and 3 overtimes were needed to decide them. A heck of a season for CUW though.

Any chance they get an at large bid or not? Thoughts?

Thanks for the update.  It sounds like a scary moment!

Matt Snyder has a blog and has done some projections for the field:

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2012/02/bracketology-2242012.html

According to his prognostications, CUW would be one of the "next four out" (after the "first four out") and thus likely won't receive a bid this year.

This is the projection without any upsets as well... so the situation becomes more dire when teams with great Pool C resumes (who are projected as Pool A teams) get beaten by those not currently projected in the field.

It's all a guess at this point... but they were on the bubble at best and the loss in the semi's couldn't help a whole lot.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 24, 2012, 03:07:36 PM
Thanks for the update.  I was watching live stats and just gave up thinking it froze at the timeout with 2 seconds to go!  Hope she's ok.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 04:49:14 PM
Tomorrow's championship game link:

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/edgewood.portal#
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 25, 2012, 10:16:41 PM
Edgewood beats Lakeland 80-72. Faurote scores 25 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2012, 09:17:43 AM
Crickets in here...

Here's UWRF's tournament page with live stats and live video links...

http://www.uwrfsports.com/sports/2012/2/29/MBB_0229124701.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2012, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 02, 2012, 09:17:43 AM
Crickets in here...


I'll temporarily scatter them, JB:  Go, Edgewood!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 02, 2012, 11:08:09 PM
BadgerFan42, myself and all the other NAthCon followers breathe a collective sigh of releief:

Edgewood 75, UW-River Falls 67  (WI Eagles once had a 24-point lead in the 2nd half of this game, --but the homestanding squad made things quite interesting toward the end).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NACfan215 on March 02, 2012, 11:09:28 PM
Big win for Edgewood and for the NAC against #17 River Falls

EC came out strong in the second half looking to be easily walking away with the game and being up by as many as 24 before RF went on a run to close it to 5 with under a minute to play.  But clutch free throws gave EC the big win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
Congrats to the NAthCon upon its first-ever D3 tourney win!

I think that this was also the first-ever tourney win by a member of the old Lake Michigan Conference. Aurora and Benedictine have won D3 tourney games in the past under the auspices of the old NIIC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: d3fan1515 on March 03, 2012, 08:44:57 PM
agreed, big win for not only EC, but the NAC as well!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NCF on March 09, 2012, 07:51:02 AM
Congrats to the NAC for the breaking the ice and getting that first win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on March 28, 2012, 10:23:38 AM
It's never too early to start talking about next year, any predictions?

Lakeland will be extremely tough next year, CUW and Edgewood will be transitioning, Marian will be young, but more experienced.

The South will be another mess, plenty of talent returns, Aurora/BU/Rockford/Possibly Dominican will all battle for 1st place


Kansas/Kentucky National Championship:  Kansas wins it all
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on March 28, 2012, 10:25:08 AM
It's never too early to start talking about next year, any predictions?

Lakeland will be extremely tough next year, CUW and Edgewood will be transitioning, Marian will be young, but more experienced.

The South will be another mess, plenty of talent returns, Aurora/BU/Rockford/Possibly Dominican will all battle for 1st place


Kansas/Kentucky National Championship:  Kansas wins it all
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NCF on March 28, 2012, 07:51:36 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on March 28, 2012, 10:25:08 AM
It's never too early to start talking about next year, any predictions?

Lakeland will be extremely tough next year, CUW and Edgewood will be transitioning, Marian will be young, but more experienced.

The South will be another mess, plenty of talent returns, Aurora/BU/Rockford/Possibly Dominican will all battle for 1st place


Kansas/Kentucky National Championship:  Kansas wins it all
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on May 18, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Maranatha will be leaving the conference after the 2012-2013. They will remain in Division III as an independent. The press release mentions finding a new conference but I don't know where. Is the UMAC, who just lost Presentation a possibility?

http://northernac.org/releases/20120517mbbcw

What will the NAthCon do now that men's basketball is down to eleven members. Do you play a five team division or go just an eleven team free for all?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on May 21, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on May 18, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Maranatha will be leaving the conference after the 2012-2013. They will remain in Division III as an independent. The press release mentions finding a new conference but I don't know where. Is the UMAC, who just lost Presentation a possibility?

http://northernac.org/releases/20120517mbbcw

What will the NAthCon do now that men's basketball is down to eleven members. Do you play a five team division or go just an eleven team free for all?
Just saw that. I think it was a matter of time before it happened. I actually talked to someone who mentioned that Maranatha wanted to withdraw from the league a few years ago, but for whatever reason it didn't happen at that time.

I think that the NAC would like to keep an even number of teams for basketball, but I don't know from where they'd poach a team. Maybe the mention in the General DIII Issues board about IIT should bear interest.

Illinois Tech doesn't have football (Maranatha did - the NAC will only have seven teams after the 2012 season) and they would have to re-establish basketball, but geographically they make sense. I don't know if there are any other current DIII teams in other conferences that are looking to jump ship - someone out there I'm sure knows more about this than I - but this might create an opportunity. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on May 21, 2012, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on May 21, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on May 18, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Maranatha will be leaving the conference after the 2012-2013. They will remain in Division III as an independent. The press release mentions finding a new conference but I don't know where. Is the UMAC, who just lost Presentation a possibility?

http://northernac.org/releases/20120517mbbcw

What will the NAthCon do now that men's basketball is down to eleven members. Do you play a five team division or go just an eleven team free for all?
Just saw that. I think it was a matter of time before it happened. I actually talked to someone who mentioned that Maranatha wanted to withdraw from the league a few years ago, but for whatever reason it didn't happen at that time.

I think that the NAC would like to keep an even number of teams for basketball, but I don't know from where they'd poach a team. Maybe the mention in the General DIII Issues board about IIT should bear interest.

Illinois Tech doesn't have football (Maranatha did - the NAC will only have seven teams after the 2012 season) and they would have to re-establish basketball, but geographically they make sense. I don't know if there are any other current DIII teams in other conferences that are looking to jump ship - someone out there I'm sure knows more about this than I - but this might create an opportunity.

I remember when Roosevelt University in Chicago restarted athletics a couple of years ago they said their ultimate goal was Division III. They were going to join the NAIA to get their program off the ground and then jump. Now I haven't heard if they are still planning to join Division III and if they are when. They also do not have football.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 22, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
Adrian resigns from Edgewood College to go to Otterbein...

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/news/2012/5/22/MBB_0522125816.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: fishguy on May 22, 2012, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 22, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
Adrian resigns from Edgewood College to go to Otterbein...

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/news/2012/5/22/MBB_0522125816.aspx

Nice hire for Otterbein. It will be interesting to see how Edgewood handles it with UW-Oshkosh and UW-Superior both open right now. There are some good jobs open.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 23, 2012, 09:14:30 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on May 21, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on May 18, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Maranatha will be leaving the conference after the 2012-2013. They will remain in Division III as an independent. The press release mentions finding a new conference but I don't know where. Is the UMAC, who just lost Presentation a possibility?

http://northernac.org/releases/20120517mbbcw

What will the NAthCon do now that men's basketball is down to eleven members. Do you play a five team division or go just an eleven team free for all?
Just saw that. I think it was a matter of time before it happened. I actually talked to someone who mentioned that Maranatha wanted to withdraw from the league a few years ago, but for whatever reason it didn't happen at that time.

I think that the NAC would like to keep an even number of teams for basketball, but I don't know from where they'd poach a team. Maybe the mention in the General DIII Issues board about IIT should bear interest.

Illinois Tech doesn't have football (Maranatha did - the NAC will only have seven teams after the 2012 season) and they would have to re-establish basketball, but geographically they make sense. I don't know if there are any other current DIII teams in other conferences that are looking to jump ship - someone out there I'm sure knows more about this than I - but this might create an opportunity.

Keep in mind that the NAthCon has a women's college, Alverno, in its membership. That means that either the men's side or the women's side of NAthCon basketball will always have an odd number ... unless a men's college joins the league, and I'll faint dead away if the league office gets a membership application from either Wabash or St. John's. ;)

Illinois Tech is a likely candidate to join the league, should IIT emerge from the upcoming investigative year with a decision to go through the four-year probationary pipeline to NCAA (and D3) membership. It wouldn't be that big of a problem for IIT to re-institute basketball; Keating Gym is still there, after all. And, while the NAthCon isn't really an elite league in terms of academics, it does contain IIT's sister school to the north, MSOE, so there's some institutional affinity there.

Roosevelt might be the other long-term possibility for NAthCon membership. There's been speculation that Roosevelt wanted to re-institute athletics under the NAIA umbrella in a non-scholarship capacity as a prelude to moving on to the NCAA and D3 once the full spread of athletic programs are up and running.

From an institutional standpoint, either school -- or both -- would be an outstanding addition to the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:11:31 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 18, 2012, 12:35:01 PM
Mark Miller reports the finalists for the UWO job are..

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/213662974437629952

Tim Gaubatz (assistant UW-Oshkosh)
Aaron Aanonsen (head coach Lakeland College)
Pat Juckem (head coach Coe College)
Richard Reed (head coach LaVerne University)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 21, 2012, 12:03:11 PM
Two candidates for the Edgewood job announced...

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/news/2012/6/20/MBB_0620122243.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: sac on June 29, 2012, 06:53:04 PM
stumbled across this while checking out some schedules.

MSOE Tournament Nov 17&18

Rose-Hulman vs RPI
Cal Tech vs MSOE


Lot of future engineers in the building that weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 29, 2012, 10:02:23 PM
Yep -- they have an engineering school tournament fairly regularly. Pretty cool.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 06, 2012, 03:38:23 PM
Edgewood selects Justin Meyer for head coaching job...

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/news/2012/7/6/MBB_0706125236.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on October 15, 2012, 09:33:19 AM
And so it begins today...any early preseason predictions on conference champions or standout players?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NACfan215 on October 15, 2012, 10:19:21 PM
I think by the process of elimination that Lakeland would be the obvious favorite in the North, theory being they had 2 players on last years NAC 1st team All-Conference and neither of them were Seniors, whic means they both will be returning for a team that had a good season.  I am not as familiar with some of the returning players from the South Division, but based on last years All-Conference teams I didnt see anything glaring?

I would also have to say J. Schwarz of LC is the favorite for conference POY unless a major darkhorse has a big year.

Darkhorse team for this year, Marian, Two players on All-Conference Honorable mention team who will both be returning (J. Harris- SR. to be and C. Veleke- JR. to be) as well as the reigning NAC freshman of the year Mike Keller.  Not to mention this Marian team lost NO seniors from last.  Potential surprise team with their entire roster returning with another year of experience.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on October 16, 2012, 12:46:43 PM
I'd have to go with Lakeland as the favorite to win the North Division.  On paper this should be the year they break through and make it to the NCAA Tournament.  I believe losing their PG (Regiel) from last season will be a huge loss, but they have returning fire power to make up for it.  Marian could be a surprise team this season and possibly upset Lakeland for the North crown.  There are, however, a lot of rumors about intelligibility issues and key players stepping away to focus on academics, but, they are just rumors. 

The south will yet again be a toss up.  BU has kind of become the favorite to be the team to beat every season.  I do expect Aurora to get back to the top and you never know what you're going to get from Concordia Chicago.   

With all that being said a lot of opinions will change once all of the rosters are officially released and the preseason polls come out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:34:42 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on October 24, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
NAC Preseason was just released.

Must say I'm a little surprised Edgewood is t-2nd in the North.  Tough to replace Wisniewski/Faurote and factor in a new head coach, I'd like to think that division is tougher than that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 24, 2012, 03:11:14 PM
I agree, although Edgewood, Marian and CUW have 48, 48 and 46 points respectively. So essentially, the 2-3-4 spots are a coin flip. That I would agree with.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 01, 2012, 12:28:06 PM
CUC roster is up. I knew they had a lot of seniors play a lot of minutes last year (Gorden, Avery, Johnson, Hineman - Kahlfeldt not on the roster ) so it's no surprise that they only return about 30% of their offense and minutes from last season - and a good chunk of those garbage time points/minutes as 14 of last year's underclassmen (out of a possible 17) returned. (CUC doesn't distinguish between varsity and JV rosters.)

It looks as though they have no one over 6-5 and a crowd of 6'3  - 6'4" guys who wil have to carry the rebounding load. (I think they've only had one player over 6'6" in about five years.)

There's an interesting mix of newcomers:
- a seldom-used transfer from North Central (Brandon Stinson)
- A California JC kid
- A pair of frosh from Detroit (one a 6'4 - 250 lbs. widebody), and a pair of frosh from Chicago. I think three out of four of these guys are going to see a fair amount of time, especially Tyler Oden from Marist HS.
- A high scoring guard from a small high school in Arizona.

They only return four players who averaged over 10 minutes a game, and only two of them could be considered returning starter: Khirey Floyd, who averaged 22 minutes (but missed the last 6 games because ??), and Marlin Vilius, who only played the second semester in 2012 and was a part-time starter. However Tyler Jones has had pretty good job of cobbling together a competitive group in his tenure at Concordia.

Curious to see what everybody else has.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on November 02, 2012, 10:55:05 AM
Any word on who NAC teams are scrimmaging against to warm-up for the season?

CUW plays UW-Whitewater at Home on Tuesday night, should be interesting as UW-W is the defending national champ and brought in a handful of former scholarship basketball players (thinking they'll repeat).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 02, 2012, 12:24:33 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on November 02, 2012, 10:55:05 AM
Any word on who NAC teams are scrimmaging against to warm-up for the season?

CUW plays UW-Whitewater at Home on Tuesday night, should be interesting as UW-W is the defending national champ and brought in a handful of former scholarship basketball players (thinking they'll repeat).

The big headliner is Concordia Chicago plays at Big East member St. John's (NY) tonight for an exhibition. Also they play Chicago State on the 13th.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Look It Up on November 02, 2012, 02:21:46 PM
The CUC-St. John's game is actually on Tuesday night the 6th and will be broadcast on espn3 - http://es.pn/mbb-CUCvsSTJ. Great alternative to election returns!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 04, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Edgewood scrimmaged Augustana today, but I don't know anything about it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 06, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 04, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Edgewood scrimmaged Augustana today, but I don't know anything about it.

... Good story JB...  :o  ::)       :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 06, 2012, 09:26:54 AM
Well if you like I can make it up...

Edgewood jumped out to a 68-3 lead, but was whistled for clipping which reduced their score to 8. Augustana has a 9-foot, 4-inch freshman who would have dominated that game had he not been knocked out when he struck his head on the rim. A crowd of over 122,000 attended the game, but quickly realized this was not the location or date of the Obama rally and left after the first 20 minutes.

Better?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 06, 2012, 06:22:24 PM
(I can hear David Letterman's side keyboardist improvising after that one. . . )

(or  better yet, back in the day  Ed McMahon doing the LOL and either Doc Severinson or Tommy Newsome and the band kicking it up for ol' Johnny)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 07, 2012, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 06, 2012, 09:26:54 AM
Well if you like I can make it up...

Edgewood jumped out to a 68-3 lead, but was whistled for clipping which reduced their score to 8. Augustana has a 9-foot, 4-inch freshman who would have dominated that game had he not been knocked out when he struck his head on the rim. A crowd of over 122,000 attended the game, but quickly realized this was not the location or date of the Obama rally and left after the first 20 minutes.

Better?

;D  Immensely better! I want recaps like this throughout the season!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 07, 2012, 01:03:14 PM
There wasn't a recap... but there was a score posted on the CCIW page:

Augie 65 -- Edgewood 47
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2012, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on November 07, 2012, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 06, 2012, 09:26:54 AM
Well if you like I can make it up...

Edgewood jumped out to a 68-3 lead, but was whistled for clipping which reduced their score to 8. Augustana has a 9-foot, 4-inch freshman who would have dominated that game had he not been knocked out when he struck his head on the rim. A crowd of over 122,000 attended the game, but quickly realized this was not the location or date of the Obama rally and left after the first 20 minutes.

Better?

;D  Immensely better! I want recaps like this throughout the season!

This is sort of the literary equivalent of Bill clearing his throat before the ponderous-but-hilarious improvised aria known as the D3 Championship BeltTM room (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=5070.960) begins anew.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on November 09, 2012, 11:40:59 AM
CUW played even with UW-W winning the 40 minutes 75-73 (the scores were cleared at half)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 14, 2012, 10:35:16 PM
I'll give my initial predictions on how the men's side will play out here.

North

1. Lakeland: Came close to knocking off Edgewood to get to the NCAA's I think they are the clear cut favorite here.
2. Edgewood: Despite some losses they should be in contention for the divisional crown again this year.
3. Concordia Wisconsin: a slight rebuilding season in store for the Falcons this year?
4. Marian: Don't really understand the hype surrounding Marian here, but they make the NAC tourney again this year.
5. MSOE: Will be an uphill climb to get into the conference tourney for the Raiders in a stacked North.
6. Maranatha: There is a gap between the Crusaders and the rest of the North teams and it isn't closing anytime soon.

South

1. Aurora: Spartans look to build off of .500 season last year and retake the south title.
2. Benedictine: Always seem to be in the hunt and that won't change again this year.
3. Rockford: Regents are steadily improving on a year in, year out basis.
4. Concordia Chicago: Will be in a fight with WLC and Dominican to decide the final South spot in the NAC tourney.
5. Wisconsin Lutheran: Have a good core of seniors in Bauer, Strutz, Griffon, and Demuth which will lead to better results this season.
6. Dominican: Someone has to fill out the last spot here.

I think the South will be more of a fluid division. I think 4th through 6th in the South could be swapped around here.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NACfan215 on November 15, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
Aurora loses a close one to Augustana 85-83, they were down big early and faught back, just not enough time.  I know Aurora had a lot of returners from last year, at least 4 starters, however, looking at the box score tonight I noticed that there was a set of twin brothers who are Juniors and werent on the team last year in the starting lineup tonight, Marious and Marquis Lobdell? Marious just happened to drop 29 points as well, Marquis chipped in 7.  Interesting that they came in and basically pushed two starters to the bench, but obviously for good reason.  Anyone know if these are JUCO's or just transfers?  Could make a good team a great team if they keep pouring it in like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2012, 12:13:57 AM
Marious Lobdell played for Illinois Central (a juco) in 2008-09 and for Judson in 2009-10. Marquis Lobdell played for Elgin Community College in 2009-10 and 2010-11.

Interestingly, they went to rival high schools. Marious went to Peoria Manual, while Marquis went to Peoria Limestone.

Are they brothers or cousins?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2012, 01:50:03 AM
As a Peoria boy, I suppose I should chime in here.  Alas, I know essentially nothing about Peoria sports for the last 45 years! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NACfan215 on November 16, 2012, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2012, 12:13:57 AM
Marious Lobdell played for Illinois Central (a juco) in 2008-09 and for Judson in 2009-10. Marquis Lobdell played for Elgin Community College in 2009-10 and 2010-11.

Interestingly, they went to rival high schools. Marious went to Peoria Manual, while Marquis went to Peoria Limestone.

Are they brothers or cousins?

Interesting info here, I just assumed they were brothers very well could be cousins based on this info. Either way they could be a huge pickup for Aurora.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 16, 2012, 10:11:21 AM
The 85-82 loss to Augustana caught my eye too. No one likes moral victories, but that's a really good result for the Spartans to open the season, considering they lost to Augie by 34 to open the season last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 16, 2012, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 16, 2012, 10:11:21 AM
The 85-82 loss to Augustana caught my eye too. No one likes moral victories, but that's a really good result for the Spartans to open the season, considering they lost to Augie by 34 to open the season last year.

This is a very different Augie team, however. Three of last year's starters graduated, a fourth decided not to play this year, and two of the three returning big men from last year's rotation were out with injuries last night. Center Brandon Kunz was the only Doggie upperclassman who played. Grey Giovanine was forced to start two freshmen and two sophomores.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 12:28:37 PM
So with their other two big men playing after injuries, how good is Augie?  Are those two the only DNP of significance?

Lakeland tops Lake Forest in 3 OTs. (http://lakeland.edu/athletics/muskienews.asp?article=8934)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2012, 12:28:37 PM
So with their other two big men playing after injuries, how good is Augie?  Are those two the only DNP of significance?

Answers: Don't know yet, and yes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
Interesting to see Edgewood lose to Oshkosh in OT.  I expected them to lose to La Crosse, picked 3rd in the WIAC, but Oshkosh is supposed to be pretty bad this year and Edgewood is picked 2nd(?) in their division.  Any thoughts from the Edgewood or NATHCON faithful?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 18, 2012, 02:52:39 PM
Trying to replace four starters, two all conference players, is going to take some time. They have to figure out who's going to be able to score. I think they'll still be in the NathCon race, but the non- conference schedule may be a struggle.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2012, 03:08:05 PM
Whitewater lost four starters.  ;)

It has more to do with Oshkosh possibly being worse than their 4-21 record from a year ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2012, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2012, 03:08:05 PM
Whitewater lost four starters.  ;)

Edgewood isn't UWW. Very, very few D3 programs have the capacity to reload as quickly as the Warhawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2012, 04:34:36 PM
Hence the wink, Greg.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2012, 04:48:18 PM
Yeah, I know. I just said it 'cause it's worth stating for the record. UWW's ability to bring in top-notch (and WIAC-ready) talent seemingly overnight is almost without peer in the ranks of D3 programs.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 20, 2012, 08:40:44 AM
Yeah time to give the men's side some love here....

St. Mary's (MN) at Dominican: Two teams off to slow starts....Going with the MIAC team here.

Lakeland at Beloit: Lakeland's season started off with a bang in a thriller against Lake Forest....They go 2-0 vs the MWC here.

Coe at Rockford: Could be a close game here.

North Park at Wisconsin Lutheran: WLC seems to be better, but I can't get a good read on them.

Aurora at North Central: North Central pulls away in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on November 20, 2012, 01:10:35 PM
North Park at Wisconsin Lutheran: WLC seems to be better, but I can't get a good read on them.

WLC seems to be better?
FG 36%/20TO per game/allowing almost 80pts per game...can't win too many ball games playing like that

I would agree with the picks though

Lakeland might score 130 in regulation on Beloit
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 20, 2012, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on November 20, 2012, 01:10:35 PM
North Park at Wisconsin Lutheran: WLC seems to be better, but I can't get a good read on them.

WLC seems to be better?
FG 36%/20TO per game/allowing almost 80pts per game...can't win too many ball games playing like that

I would agree with the picks though

Lakeland might score 130 in regulation on Beloit

Well WLC downed North Park 67-52 tonight at the Recreational Complex.

North Park 25 27: 52
WLC 34 33: 67
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 21, 2012, 12:42:03 PM
Only two games tonight....

Marian at Lawrence: Still not sold on Marian yet after they split their first two games against NAIA teams...I'll take Lawrence in a close game.

Bethany Lutheran at Concordia Chicago: Could go either way here as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2012, 02:14:05 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on November 20, 2012, 08:40:44 AM
Yeah time to give the men's side some love here....

St. Mary's (MN) at Dominican: Two teams off to slow starts....Going with the MIAC team here.

Lakeland at Beloit: Lakeland's season started off with a bang in a thriller against Lake Forest....They go 2-0 vs the MWC here.

Coe at Rockford: Could be a close game here.

North Park at Wisconsin Lutheran: WLC seems to be better, but I can't get a good read on them.

Aurora at North Central: North Central pulls away in the second half.

Dominican 56 St. Mary's (MN) 53

Lakeland 92 Beloit 80 - Suprised it was a 12 point game, but it was only 4 at the break.  Beloit played Whitewater really well, so I thought this one really could go either way.  Lakeland is picked in the NathCon, so I guess the result was what was expected.

Coe 65 Rockford 61 - Your guess was perfect

WLC 67 North Park 52

North Central 84 Aurora 77

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2012, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on November 21, 2012, 12:42:03 PM
Marian at Lawrence: Still not sold on Marian yet after they split their first two games against NAIA teams...I'll take Lawrence in a close game.

Lawrence takes it, 83-76.  Lawrence was up 10 at the break.  LU gave Stevens Point fits in the opener for each team.  I'm surprised Lawrence didn't finish them off by more.  DeWolfe is a monster inside and Siebert is pretty good too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on November 26, 2012, 01:10:51 AM
Take a look at my NAC predictions along with WIAC and Midwest predictions on my blog...I will also be updating with my thoughts on each conference throughout the season at http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com (http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 27, 2012, 08:42:56 AM
Conference play starts up tonight!!!

11/27 games

Edgewood at Lakeland: Muskies open up conference play with a nice win over a solid Eagles team.

MSOE at Maranatha: The Raiders extends Maranatha's conference losing streak to 25.

Benedictine at Concordia Chicago: Benedictine pulls away in the second half.

Aurora at Wisconsin Lutheran: WLC dropped a tight one against Bethany Lutheran after allowing a late 10-2 run by the Vikings. Aurora may still have nightmares from when Demuth torched them for 29 points in a 84-81 Winterfest win. However I think Aurora's tough early schedule gives them the edge here.

Rockford at Dominican: Just a guess. Rockford has shown a little more than Dominican so far.

Concordia Wisconsin at Marian: Early test for the Sabres to see if they can hang with one of the better teams in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on November 27, 2012, 08:58:20 AM
Agree with Lakeland, MSOE, Benedictine, Aurora and CUW but wonder what the more Rockford has shown you.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on November 27, 2012, 10:51:17 AM
Well WLC downed North Park 67-52 tonight at the Recreational Complex.

North Park has been known for being a powerhouse and coaching stability these last few years....

Lakeland over Edgewood by a lot
MSOE pulls out a close one
BU takes it to a bad CUC team
Aurora demolishes a BAD WLC team in what promises to be a poor shooting night for both teams
CUW wins a nail bitter against a tough Marian team

and as an upset Dominican over Rockford...(is that an upset?)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on November 27, 2012, 11:23:45 AM
Lakeland over Edgewood: Muskies frontline scoring will be way to much for Eagles, LC by 10+.

MSOE over Maranatha: Raiders will win, but could be closer than people think, especially at the Crusaders gym, MSOE by 8-12.

Benedictine over CUC: My Alma Mater's experience grabs them a win, but expect it to be close in a gym that we've never played good in. BenU by 5-8.

Aurora over WLC: Spartans dominate Warriors with their size, experience and athleticism. AU by 12+.

Marion over CUW: Sabres pull out win over solid Falcons team at home for a great early season win. MU by 2.

Rockford over Dominican: Rockford slugs it out in a sprint against Dominican on the road. RC by 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 29, 2012, 10:39:07 AM
Three Non-Conference games tonight:

Maranatha at Grace Bible: Grace has won the last three meetings. They win this one over a struggling Crusaders squad.

Concordia Wisconsin at Elmhurst: Could go either way...

Wisconsin Lutheran at Cardinal Stritch: Cold shooting sunk the Warriors in the second half against Aurora. Stritch has a strong program over there. They continue their dominance against WLC here.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on November 29, 2012, 12:30:37 PM
My midweek look at the NathCon, as well as the MWC and the WIAC. http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/midweek-blog-1-tis-season.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on November 29, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Solid win for CUW tonight at Elmhurst 74-70. Pace with 15 for the Falcons who had four reach double figures
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 29, 2012, 10:00:17 PM
WLC trails at Cardinal Strich 67-39 late in the second half. WLC once again endures a cold spell shooting wise in the second half after trailing 32-26 at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 01, 2012, 09:27:58 PM
My take on Aurora-Edgewood and Lakeland-Benedictine as well as games from the WIAC and Midwest http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/weekend-analysis-1-good-start.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on December 05, 2012, 01:18:57 PM
Good slate of games scheduled for tonight:

Benedictine bounces back after tough loss to LU to take one from Dominican
CUC can't keep pace with Aurora
The Warriors travel to Rockford and take one from the Regents
Low scoring MSOE can't find the bottom of the net late and The Sabre's win

In the headlining game:

In a physical and pressure filled game, CUW continues to play well and pulls out a narrow win to hand Lakeland it's first loss of the season (seems like the games between these two always come down to the wire)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 05, 2012, 01:36:42 PM
Benedictine over Dominican--Will be closer than expected and Eagles need to play better on defense
Aurora over CUC--Size, length, experience, depth, way to much for Cougars
Rockford over WLC-- Speed of game will tip the contest in Rockfords favor
MSOE over Marian-- Raiders do just enough at home to take down Sabres
Lakeland over CUW-- I really can't see CUW scoring with Lakeland or the Falcons being able to defend Schwarz and Ward
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 05, 2012, 08:46:37 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran and Rockford are tied at 33 heading into halftime. Both teams shot better than 50% in the first half. Scott Suchy has a game high 13 points to lead the Regents while WLC is paced by Brett Lubbe's 8 points.

Lakeland 43
Concordia Wisconsin 38

Half

Benedictine 43
Dominican 36

Half

Aurora 41
Concordia Chicago 33

Half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 05, 2012, 09:42:36 PM
Rockford beats WLC in a close one 70-67. WLC had their chances to tie the game in the last few seconds but the shots wouldn't connect. Key turning point was when Rockford got a three point play with a minute remaining after WLC had tied it up on the previous possession.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 05, 2012, 10:44:56 PM
Wow, can't believe I didn't get a look of CUW-Lakeland. Per box, CUW had 1 point lead in final minute before LC's Justin Ward made an And-1 with 41 seconds left. Ward led way with 21 for LC, while CUW's Mark Pace had 29 on 6-of-9 from deep (Just hate that I played with this guy at BenU and now he's a Falcon).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 06, 2012, 01:10:24 AM
My midweek take and look ahead in the NAC (as well as WIAC and MWC)
http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/midweek-blog-2-disclaimer.html

As always comments are appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on December 06, 2012, 11:19:44 AM
ExBBaller40, Keep up the good work on the blog!  Been a good read so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 08, 2012, 07:14:37 PM
WLC wins in Overtime 90-88 over Concordia Chicago.

CUC shot for 50% for most of the game but that was negated by them giving up the ball 23 times compared to 8 for the Warriors.

Other Finals

Aurora 106
Dominican 56

Lakeland 88
Marian 81

MSOE 64
Edgewood 62

Rockford 77
Benedictine 75

Concordia Wisconsin 67
Maranatha 49
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 11, 2012, 01:59:27 AM
Here is my look at last weekend's NAC, MWC and WIAC games...sorry it's a bit late http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/weekend-analysis-2-making-it-up-to-all.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 11, 2012, 11:35:51 PM
Viterbo manhandles Edgewood 75-39 tonight. Viterbo was up 40-18 at half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 13, 2012, 01:47:25 AM
My take on the NathCon and also the WIAC and MWC in my midweek blog http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/midweek-blog-3-pointers-reign.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 13, 2012, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on December 11, 2012, 11:35:51 PM
Viterbo manhandles Edgewood 75-39 tonight. Viterbo was up 40-18 at half.

At least Edgewood has an easy bounceback game this weekend.  :o  :'(  :-[  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 14, 2012, 03:03:53 PM
This Weekend's Picks

12/14

Principia at Rockford: Rockford should be able to handle a terrible Principia squad.

Silver Lake at Lakeland: Lakeland cruises to a big win over a former LMC team.

12/15

Wisconsin Lutheran at Dominican: Just a feeling. WLC finally got their first conference win against CUC. They squeak another one out on the road.

Concordia Chicago at Maranatha: Probably Maranatha's best chance to snap that conference losing streak but they fall short.

Millikin at Aurora: Aurora looks very strong so far.

North Central at Benedictine: Just a guess....

Dubuque at Marian: Another guess....

Edgewood at UW-Stevens Point: This could get very ugly for the Eagles after getting run out of the gym against NAIA Viterbo a few nights ago.

12/16

Rockford at Loras: Toss up....

Concordia Chicago at Roosevelt: CUC makes it two in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 15, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
My recaps of BenU/NCC and Rockford/Loras (will be coming tomorrow) as well as games from the WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/weekend-analysis-3.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 15, 2012, 11:51:08 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran 66
Dominican 59

Final

Concordia Chicago 75
Maranatha 69

Final

Aurora 92
Millikin 77

Final

North Central (IL) 61
Benedictine 55

Final

Dubuque 87
Marian 64

Final

UW-Stevens Point 63
Edgewood 48

Final
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 16, 2012, 11:30:44 AM
Northern Athletics Conference Standings as of 12/16/12

North

1. Lakeland 7-0 (4-0)
2. MSOE 5-4 (3-1)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 3-3 (2-1)
4. Marian 3-6 (1-3)
5. Edgewood 2-8 (1-3)
6. Maranatha 2-7 (0-4)

South

1. Aurora 6-3 (4-0)
2. Rockford 4-4 (3-0)
3. Dominican 3-6 (2-3)
4. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-7 (2-3)
5. Benedictine 2-8 (1-3)
6. Concordia Chicago 1-7 (1-3)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 20, 2012, 05:51:47 AM
Wow, Lawrence shocks Lakeland in Wisconsin Dells 80-73.

The Muskies then fall to  Viterbo the next night 71-64.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 20, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
My midweek blog taking a look at DIII v DI hoops as well as NAC stuff and WIAC and MWC stuff as well. http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/midweek-blog-4-snowmaggedon.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2012, 04:49:50 PM
Good stuff as usual, Terry.

(You'd only pay $3 to see UWL @ NPU on Friday? Heck, I would've gotten you in for free. Now I'm not sure that I ought to. ;))
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 20, 2012, 05:03:46 PM
I mean, at least it warranted some payment on my scale. I mean, if it was a truly terrible game I wouldn't have even put it on there  :).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 26, 2012, 11:12:18 PM
A take on holiday tournaments and stuff on the NathCon, WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/midweek-blog-5-its-tourney-time.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 27, 2012, 01:42:47 PM
Keep up the good work there Terry!

More or less I want to see how WLC fares against Hendrix and Linfield in Vegas this weekend. Those two games will serve as barometer games when conference play starts back up again.

Holiday Tournament Picks

12/28

Concordia (TX) vs Edgewood (at Belton, TX): Eagles put up some fight but come out on the wrong end of the scoreboard here.

MSOE at Otterbein (OH): Could go either way...

12/29

Dominican vs Southwestern (TX) (at San Antonio, TX): Toss up?
Millikin at Rockford: Surprise me Regents...surprise me.
Aurora at Hope: Taking the Spartans in a tight one.
Marian at St. Norbert: Sabres haven't really shown me much so far this season.
Concordia Wisconsin vs UW-Oshkosh (at Wisconsin Dells): Another one that could go either way.
Edgewood at Mary Hardin-Baylor: Over by halftime.
Wisconsin Lutheran at Hendrix (AR) (at Las Vegas, NV): WLC getting in some sort of groove?

12/30

Lakeland at Macalester: Muskies take this one handily.
UW-Stout vs Concordia Wisconsin: Stout looks strong so far.
Dominican at Trinty (TX): Dominican's struggles continue...
Benedictine at Carthage: Should be an interesting game.
Linfield vs Wisconsin Lutheran: Wouldn't be surprised if WLC won this.

12/31

Rockford at St. Francis (IL): Just a guess...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on December 31, 2012, 01:28:40 PM
Here is my finished weekend blog, with stuff from the NAC, MWC and WIAC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/weekend-analysis-4-little-change.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 02, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
My look at the NathCon race as well as the WIAC and MWC races in my new midweek blog http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/midweek-blog-6-conference-call.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 06, 2013, 03:24:49 PM
My weekend blog featuring NAC games Rockford v. Marian and CUW v. BenU as well as games from the WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/weekend-analysis-5-go-packers.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 09, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
1/8 Picks

Concordia Chicago at Dominican: Have to go with the Stars here. CUC has been really struggling so far.

Aurora at Rockford: Taking the Spartans here. Regents were taken out of their game a bit by Marian last weekend.

Benedictine at Wisconsin Lutheran: I'll take the Warriors in a tight one. Got to keep Griffon out of foul trouble.

Edgewood at Marian: I see this game as a toss up. Marian in a close game.

MSOE at Concordia Wisconsin: Falcons with a slight edge here.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 09, 2013, 10:06:30 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran 58
Benedictine 54

Dominican 83
Concordia Chicago 49

Aurora 95
Rockford 70

Marian 67
Edgewood 66

Concordia Wisconsin 76
MSOE 61
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 10, 2013, 11:36:46 AM
My midweek blog, with a take on the next three weeks being a key stretch, NAC stuff as well as WIAC and NathCon stuff http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/midweek-blog-7-grind.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 10, 2013, 11:44:33 AM
Great stuff, keep it coming

I think the CUW win over MSOE proved that MSOE is still a pretender, don't look at their record without looking at their soft schedule first

It looks like Aurora will run away with the south, beating the 2nd place team by 25 makes the south look very weak.  I am surprised by Dominicans win over CUC though. 

Are the Edgewood Eagles even going to make the conference tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 10, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 10, 2013, 11:44:33 AM
Great stuff, keep it coming

I think the CUW win over MSOE proved that MSOE is still a pretender, don't look at their record without looking at their soft schedule first

It looks like Aurora will run away with the south, beating the 2nd place team by 25 makes the south look very weak.  I am surprised by Dominicans win over CUC though. 

Are the Edgewood Eagles even going to make the conference tournament?

I really do not see Edgewood making the Conference tournament this year. It will most likely be Lakeland, MSOE, Concordia Wisconsin and Marian coming out of the North this year. I am really surprised how big the drop off was for the Eagles after the coaches picked them to finish second in the division.

I agree as well that Aurora will run away with the South. The race for second place will be something to watch. Wisconsin Lutheran has won four straight conference games and could challenge the Regents for the second spot. Dominican will be in the hunt there as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 10, 2013, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 10, 2013, 11:44:33 AM
Great stuff, keep it coming

I think the CUW win over MSOE proved that MSOE is still a pretender, don't look at their record without looking at their soft schedule first

It looks like Aurora will run away with the south, beating the 2nd place team by 25 makes the south look very weak.  I am surprised by Dominicans win over CUC though. 

Are the Edgewood Eagles even going to make the conference tournament?

As far as MSOE goes, they are such a grind it out team, and they really don't have many offensive weapons outside of Stueck that if they get down big in any game, such as the one last night, they just don't have enough offense to compete.

CUW impressed me last night. They really came out and dominated that game.

And as far as Edgewood, I don't see it either...They don't have the go to scorers in Wisniewski or Faroute anymore and Craig is much better as a facilitator than scorer. With the way that Marian and CUW are playing, they are going to have to try and overtake MSOE, who has a fairly decent head start as far as conference W-L goes
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 11, 2013, 02:38:10 PM
1/12 Picks

Lakeland at Concordia Chicago: Lakeland makes it back to back big wins this week over the cellar dwellers in both divisions.

Edgewood at Benedictine: I'm taking Edgewood here. WI Eagles gave Marian all they could handle and then some only to lose by a point. Should be an entertaining game either way.

Concordia Wisconsin at Aurora: I'll take the Spartans here. Another good game on tap here as well.

Marian at Wisconsin Lutheran: Both teams are getting hot at the moment. WLC has won four straight conference games and Marian has won three of their last four conference games. I say Marian in a very tight game.

MSOE at Rockford: I'll take the Raiders over the slumping Regents on the road.

Maranatha at Dominican: Dominican extends Maranatha's Nath-Con losing streak to 33 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 12, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
I've heard that former Carthage starter Luke Johnson, a 6-9 sophomore forward who left Carthage about a week ago, has enrolled at Benedictine and will play today.

Johnson was considered a big-time CCIW recruit when Carthage landed him.  Could be a difference maker in time for BU.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 13, 2013, 09:21:54 AM
An addition like Johnson to Benedictine could change the "power structure" of the NAC in the next few years, if . . .
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 13, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
The rumors are true, Luke Johnson is enrolled at BU, no word on eligibility though.  Assume he will play the second half of the season.  Reportedly was unhappy at Carthage and comes with the label of being a "bad teammate".  Either way should be interesting for BU, that would give them two legit 6'8 Forwards that could start (I see McGinty getting pushed out of the lineup with Johnsons arrival.)

Aurora v Lakeland in a couple of weeks is going to be interesting, might be a final of 125-120 in regulation.  I'm giving the Spartans the upper hand in that one.  They have a deep athletic team and they play hard at both ends of the floor. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 13, 2013, 11:01:42 PM
I agree it will be interesting to see how Benedictine fares with Johnson (if he is eligible). Right now the Eagles have the work cut out for them being 1-6 in the conference 2.5 games out of fourth and 3-13 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 13, 2013, 11:05:09 PM
I don't think there are questions about Luke Johnson's eligibility are there?  He played for BU yesterday...

http://athletics.ben.edu/custompages/MEN'S%20BASKETBALL/2012-13/benumb16.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 14, 2013, 12:44:44 AM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 13, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
The rumors are true, Luke Johnson is enrolled at BU, no word on eligibility though.  Assume he will play the second half of the season.  Reportedly was unhappy at Carthage and comes with the label of being a "bad teammate".  Either way should be interesting for BU, that would give them two legit 6'8 Forwards that could start (I see McGinty getting pushed out of the lineup with Johnsons arrival.)

Aurora v Lakeland in a couple of weeks is going to be interesting, might be a final of 125-120 in regulation.  I'm giving the Spartans the upper hand in that one.  They have a deep athletic team and they play hard at both ends of the floor

Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on January 13, 2013, 11:01:42 PM
I agree it will be interesting to see how Benedictine fares with Johnson (if he is eligible). Right now the Eagles have the work cut out for them being 1-6 in the conference 2.5 games out of fourth and 3-13 overall.

Quote from: Titan Q on January 13, 2013, 11:05:09 PM
I don't think there are questions about Luke Johnson's eligibility are there?  He played for BU yesterday...

Quote from: RFMichigan on January 13, 2013, 09:21:54 AM
An addition like Johnson to Benedictine could change the "power structure" of the NAC in the next few years, if . . .

* As TQ indicates, Johnson played yesterday, so any questions regarding any possible eligibility problems, are off the table.

* I have not heard anything from Carthage concerning Johnson being a "bad teammate." At 6'9" he does have a fondness for hoisting up shots from beyond the arc. This could potentially foster some questions/problems with members of the CC or BU guard corps.

* According to information emanating from the CC head coach, Johnson left Carthage basically because he feels he is too good for D3, and pictures himself both as a D1 level player currently, and a future NBA player.
Given this, its very curious how and why Johnson ended up at Benedictine. It was widely thought he would initially be transferring to at small D1 at the minimum, and even to a mid-major.

* Rather than Johnson changing the "power structure" of the NAC in the near future, the real question that appears more appropriate to ask is, "Just how long will Johnson" be at Benedictine?" BU has great facilities. And, AD Mark McHorney and coaches Bunkenburg and Janczak provide nice leadership and are good guys. But it seems unrealistic to think a guy who pictures himself as a current D1 and future NBA player, will spend more than the rest of this season at BU. If that is his intent, he would have been better served to stay at Carthage where he would face stronger competition to better prepare him for his journey to the NBA.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 14, 2013, 07:36:53 AM
Quote from: AndOne on January 14, 2013, 12:44:44 AM


* According to information emanating from the CC head coach, Johnson left Carthage basically because he feels he is too good for D3, and pictures himself both as a D1 level player currently, and a future NBA player.
Given this, its very curious how and why Johnson ended up at Benedictine. It was widely thought he would initially be transferring to at small D1 at the minimum, and even to a mid-major.

* Rather than Johnson changing the "power structure" of the NAC in the near future, the real question that appears more appropriate to ask is, "Just how long will Johnson" be at Benedictine?" BU has great facilities. And, AD Mark McHorney and coaches Bunkenburg and Janczak provide nice leadership and are good guys. But it seems unrealistic to think a guy who pictures himself as a current D1 and future NBA player, will spend more than the rest of this season at BU. If that is his intent, he would have been better served to stay at Carthage where he would face stronger competition to better prepare him for his journey to the NBA.  ;)

As AndOne said, that stuff about D1 and the NBA all comes from this quote...

Quote from: kenoshamark on January 06, 2013, 10:18:59 AM
Here is an interesting side article from the Kenosha News today:

Luke Johnson leaves Carthage

Published: 1/5 11:10 p.m.
Updated: 1/5 11:11 p.m.

BY ANDREW HORSCHAK
ahorschak@kenoshanews.com

Luke Johnson, Carthage's leading scorer and rebounder, has left school and is no longer on the team.

The 6-foot-9 sophomore center, who missed three games recently due to back trouble, averaged 13.0 points and 6.6 rebounds in nine games.

As a freshman, Johnson averaged 9.3 points and 6.3 rebounds in 24 games (22 starts). The Naperville, Ill., native also had a single-season school record 64 blocked shots.

"Luke Johnson is a talented basketball player like so many kids of today who lives in a different world," Djurickovic said. "Luke Johnson sees himself as an NBA player. He sees himself as a Division I player. He thinks this is his best way to achieve those goals."

To be fair to Luke Johnson, we don't really know if the kid thinks that way or not.  And based on how this has played out, I think we have reason to question the quote from coach Djurickovic, or wonder if he didn't quite mean it literally.  I mean, does a Division III player who thinks he's too good for Division III really transfer to another Division III school?

I think it would be unfair to pin that quote on Johnson.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: John Gleich on January 14, 2013, 08:57:16 AM
Benedictine... the small D-I of D-III?   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 14, 2013, 10:35:04 AM
"Benedictine -- the gateway to the NBA"
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 14, 2013, 11:15:10 AM
Being a teammate of a guy who thinks he is too good to be there sounds like a problem, not hard to believe him being a bad teammate after reading those quotes
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 14, 2013, 12:14:14 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 14, 2013, 11:15:10 AM
Being a teammate of a guy who thinks he is too good to be there sounds like a problem, not hard to believe him being a bad teammate after reading those quotes

But I guess my point is that we don't know if he really thinks that (that he's too good to be there).   I don't think it's fair to the kid to take Bosko Djurickovic's quote as gospel and to assume that Johnson, 1) thinks he better than D3, and 2) is a bad teammate.

I think that's for people around Benedictine and the NathCon to sort out now that he's there.  In the absence of more information, I think the kid deserves a clean start.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 14, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
Heard the rumblings of 'division' on that Carthage team after last season when Malcolm Kelly was playing.  Now that he's not there anymore it still comes back to Luke, I'm sure it's not coincidence, but Titan Q you are right, they're just rumors.  It'll be interesting to see if he can help BU turn it around this season, the 2-4 seeds in the south will be wide open.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 14, 2013, 03:24:18 PM
Any word on Cashton Craig from Edgewood with an injury or something?...just saw the BenU box score and he didn't play in the game.

Speaks to how poorly my Eagles are playing that they can't beat a mediocre team on our home floor minus the other team's best player.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 14, 2013, 03:42:27 PM
Craig has missed Edgewoods last three games...not good for Edgewood who is still in the race for the top 4 in the North
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 14, 2013, 04:13:36 PM
I listened to the 1st half of the BU-EC game before having to leave for our gym at NCC, and the announcers said Craig was injured. The didn't elaborate on the nature of the alleged injury.

With regard to the talk about luke Johnson---There was a considerable buzz throughout the scouting/recruiting ranks during the season 2 years ago when Johnson was being recruited that D3 coaches were probably wasting their time looking at Johnson because of the high likelihood that he was going to a low to mid D1 or at least to a D2. Additionally, a [portion of that buzz did indeed include the fact that it was widely thought that Johnson considered D3 to be beneath his talent level. One of the schools I remember hearing about being interested was Nebraska. So, schools on that level  were considered the most likely landing spot. Thats why, when it was announced that he was going to Carthage there was a great deal of surprise and shock. Not only because it is a D3, but also, it was widely thought that if Johnson did pass up any/all of the D1 or D2 offers he was likely to get at least a few of, and attend a D3, that it would almost certainly be Wheaton, given his prepping at Wheaton Academy whose head coach is former Wheaton assistant Paul Ferguson. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 14, 2013, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 14, 2013, 10:35:04 AM
"Benedictine -- the gateway to the NBA"

Every time I see this I always think about that Deadspin article that was about Benedictine's athletic video.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 14, 2013, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: AndOne on January 14, 2013, 04:13:36 PMThats why, when it was announced that he was going to Carthage there was a great deal of surprise and shock. Not only because it is a D3, but also, it was widely thought that if Johnson did pass up any/all of the D1 or D2 offers he was likely to get at least a few of, and attend a D3, that it would almost certainly be Wheaton, given his prepping at Wheaton Academy whose head coach is former Wheaton assistant Paul Ferguson.

"Widely thought"? Evidence, please. Aside from your assertion, I have never seen nor heard any scuttlebutt that Johnson was considering Wheaton College, or that Wheaton College was considering him. As I've said before, just because Wheaton Academy sends a lot of students to nearby Wheaton College and Ferg is a former WC assistant coach doesn't mean that: a) Wheaton College automatically gets dibs on any kid who comes out of WA, whether he wants to go there or not; or b) that Wheaton College simply accepts as a matter of course any WA kid who applies there. Not every WA grad is suited for Wheaton, either academically or spiritually.

The far more likely scenario is that Luke Johnson wasn't interested in Wheaton College, or that Wheaton College wasn't interested in him. Considering that he ended up at Carthage, a school whose campus values and typical student lifestyle are almost diametrically opposed to Wheaton's, it's likely that Wheaton College was never really in the picture for him. The fact that he's transferred to Benedictine, another school that in no way, shape, or form resembles Wheaton College (although it does not have the party-school reputation of Carthage) supports this.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 14, 2013, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 14, 2013, 10:35:04 AM
"Benedictine -- the gateway to the NBA"

Maybe Mr. Johnson saw some old Chicago Bulls tapes from the 70's and figured, "Benedictine = NAC = Aurora (admittedly present day NAC) = Mickey Johnson = NBA. Math!"
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 14, 2013, 10:31:35 PM
Here is my weekend analysis blog that features NAC games Aurora-CUW and MSOE-Rockford, as well as games from the WIAC and NathCon http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/weekend-analysis-6-sorry-it-took-so-long.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 14, 2013, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on January 14, 2013, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 14, 2013, 10:35:04 AM
"Benedictine -- the gateway to the NBA"

Every time I see this I always think about that Deadspin article that was about Benedictine's athletic video.

Jump over a mountain? Check.
Destroy the moon with a baseball? Check.
Explode a Chinese pagoda with a volleyball induced mushroom cloud? Check.

Sit back and relive the insanity once again: http://deadspin.com/5879065/whatever-youre-doing-with-your-life-its-not-as-awesome-as-the-athletes-in-this-recruiting-video
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 15, 2013, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 14, 2013, 10:57:24 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on January 14, 2013, 05:03:26 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 14, 2013, 10:35:04 AM
"Benedictine -- the gateway to the NBA"

Every time I see this I always think about that Deadspin article that was about Benedictine's athletic video.

Jump over a mountain? Check.
Destroy the moon with a baseball? Check.
Explode a Chinese pagoda with a volleyball induced mushroom cloud? Check.

Sit back and relive the insanity once again: http://deadspin.com/5879065/whatever-youre-doing-with-your-life-its-not-as-awesome-as-the-athletes-in-this-recruiting-video

Ironically that video is not the first cringe-worthy thing I watched today.... :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 15, 2013, 01:12:03 PM
Biggest NAC week of the year. Three games for (most) every team this week starting tonight. Time to get hot or get out.

Games that I'm looking forward to taking a look at this week:

Marian-CUW
MSOE-Lakeland
AU-BU
AU-Marian



Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 17, 2013, 12:01:15 AM
Here is my midweek blog with stuff from the NathCon, WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/midweek-blog-8-its-wild-its-wacky-its.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on January 17, 2013, 08:14:09 PM
Is anybody on the board right now who can tell me whether it's possible to watch the AU @ BU game can be watched on an iPad?  I've found the link but am not getting the broadcast.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on January 17, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Got it figured out.  Man, Luke Johnson, although clearly still getting familiar with the Eagles offense, is starting to find his way.  Pleasant surprise to see him occupying the paint at both ends of the floor for Benedictine - more than I ever saw him doing so for Carthage.  If he starts to play inside as well as out, he will be a major addition for Benedictine.  Saw both he and 6' 8" McGinty playing well together for a stretch.  So far, Benedictine is hanging tough with Aurora through halftime. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 17, 2013, 09:56:45 PM
Wow...big win for MSOE against Lakeland tonight 75-70...Raiders keeping close in the North division, now only a game back in the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on January 17, 2013, 09:57:01 PM
Wow!  That was the first time I've watched the Benedictine broadcast online but certainly not the first D3 broadcast I've watched online.  That was very impressive - good camera work, with more than one camera in play, good broadcasting, and really good graphics including the score and clock showing the entire broadcast.  Even the credits at the end were slick.  Does anyone know if that's entirely an in-house operation and, if so, is that a major that's offered at Benedictine?  I was really impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: petemcb on January 17, 2013, 09:57:01 PM
Wow!  That was the first time I've watched the Benedictine broadcast online but certainly not the first D3 broadcast I've watched online.  That was very impressive - good camera work, with more than one camera in play, good broadcasting, and really good graphics including the score and clock showing the entire broadcast.  Even the credits at the end were slick.  Does anyone know if that's entirely an in-house operation and, if so, is that a major that's offered at Benedictine?  I was really impressed.

Most of their broadcasts are single camera with score graphics and an announcer. They sometimes hire out a company to produce broadcasts for "big" games. I imagine that's what you saw tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
It would make sense, seeing as how Aurora is BU's big rival and is therefore the team most likely to draw the biggest viewership for a Benedictine home game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 17, 2013, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
It would make sense, seeing as how Aurora is BU's big rival and is therefore the team most likely to draw the biggest viewership for a Benedictine home game.

They at least had one...I know I was watching  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 18, 2013, 01:36:06 AM
Rockford has been sinking like a stone in the South Division over the last few weeks. Lost their last five conference games and seven straight overall after losing to Concordia Chicago tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 20, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
Big upsets yesterday with Marian taking down Aurora and Dominican beating Concordia Wisconsin.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: petemcb on January 21, 2013, 10:16:36 AM
And that is why I stay away from casinos!  Who would have bet?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 21, 2013, 01:54:55 PM
I might have bet the Marian-Aurora game, but not the Dominican-CUW game.

Here is my blog looking at Marian-Aurora and MSOE-BenU and game from the WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/weekend-analysis-7-creating-separation.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 24, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
My midweek blog looking at officiating as well as stuff from the NAC, WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/midweek-blog-9-tough-loss.html.

Crazy last couple of weeks in the NAC. Lakeland losing twice. Marian getting hot. Aurora losing and nearly losing to CUC Domincian beating CUW and getting hot. Should make for a fun final month.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 25, 2013, 10:58:34 AM
Saw that Maranatha snapped their conference losing streak by beating Edgewood last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 26, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
Lakeland goes down again this time to Wisconsin Lutheran 68-64.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 27, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
Wow...3 of 4 for Lakeland.  At MOSE and then hosting Aurora.  It could be 4 losses in a row. 

North Standings

Lakeland 9-3
Concordia (WI) 8-3
MSOE 7-4
Marian 7-4
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 27, 2013, 03:53:26 PM
My midweek blog that looks at Aurora-MSOE and Lakeland-Wisconsin Lutheran, as well as stuff from the MWC and WIAC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/weekend-analysis-8-never-foul-jump.html

I was surprised to find out that Lakeland hasn't score over 80 in their last six games. Offense just isn't clicking like it was earlier in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 28, 2013, 10:57:18 AM
Things just got really interesting in the North.

Remaining Games:
Lakeland - @MSOE, Aurora, @MBBC, Marian (Could potentially lose 3 of last 4)
CUW - Edgewood, Rockford, @MSOE, @WLC, @MBBC (Tough road games)
MSOE - Lakeland, Dominican, CUW, @CUC, Edgewood (3 of the top NAC Teams in a row)
Marian - MBBC, CUC, @Edgewood, @BU, @Lakeland (Tough finish on the road)

My final projections:
Lakeland 11-5
CUW 12-4
MSOE 9-7
Marian 10-6
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 28, 2013, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 28, 2013, 10:57:18 AM
Things just got really interesting in the North.

Remaining Games:
Lakeland - @MSOE, Aurora, @MBBC, Marian (Could potentially lose 3 of last 4)
CUW - Edgewood, Rockford, @MSOE, @WLC, @MBBC (Tough road games)
MSOE - Lakeland, Dominican, CUW, @CUC, Edgewood (3 of the top NAC Teams in a row)
Marian - MBBC, CUC, @Edgewood, @BU, @Lakeland (Tough finish on the road)

My final projections:
Lakeland 11-5
CUW 12-4
MSOE 9-7
Marian 10-6

I'll throw this out as the final standings for the North:
CUW - 13-3     Bold prediction that they win out. WLC seems to be playing well right now, but the only possible loss for the Falcons right now might be MSOE.
Lakeland - 12-4  I think they have more talent than the rest of the teams they play, but at this moment  they're not putting it all together. I like them winning both of their remaining home games and taking one on the road, probably MBBC.
Marian - 11-5 - They'll win the two at home and two on the road. (I'm not sure if BU or Edgewood will be in the playoff picture anymore while Marian will be playing for something besides pride.)
MSOE - 9-7 - I think they'll lose their next three games, but if they beat Lakeland at home, beware Dominican and CUW.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 28, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
By the the way, kudos to CUW for winning the Concordia Invitational Tournament in Seward, NE this past weekend. I thought that it would be a CU-AA - Concordia Nebraska final, but CUW just totally outplayed Ann Arbor down the stretch in the semi. (I thought Ann Arbor would be the best team in the tournament but their offense looked one dimensional.) Then on Saturday I was surprised that CUW had to pull out the final against Seward in the final minute seeing that Seward came into the weekend with 14 straight losses and then had to hang on to barely beat CUC in their semi.

Good deal - a DIII Concordia takes two from their NAIA brethren. (Now if only CUC would have found a way to beat Seward . . . )

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 30, 2013, 12:57:16 AM
The South got more interesting (Well 2-4 did) with WLC beating Dominican 76-63.

You have.....

1. Aurora (no doubt as #1)
2. Dominican 7-6 (Split the season series with Rockford 1-1 and was swept by WLC)
3. Wisconsin Lutheran 6-6 (Swept Dominican but was swept by Rockford
3. Rockford 6-6 (Swept WLC and Split with Dominican)

Dominican has at MSOE, at Concordia Chicago and Aurora left (could go 1-2 or 2-1)
Wisconsin Lutheran has Edgewood, at Benedictine, Concordia Wisconsin, and at Concordia Chicago (3-1 or 2-2)
Rockford has at Concordia Wisconsin, at Aurora, Edgewood, and at Benedictine (2-2 or 1-3)

The last few conference games could decide who gets a chance to host at least a round of the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on January 30, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
The South is always full of surprises...

I must admit, I didn't see WLC hanging around as long as they have, CUC being as bad they are, Rockford finding ways to get it done, and even though they are stumbling now, Dominican has been a nice surprise for the NAC after last season.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 30, 2013, 12:15:08 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 30, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
The South is always full of surprises...

I must admit, I didn't see WLC hanging around as long as they have, CUC being as bad they are, Rockford finding ways to get it done, and even though they are stumbling now, Dominican has been a nice surprise for the NAC after last season.

I think that WLC hanging around, Rockford finding ways to get it done, and Dominican being a nice surprise have a lot to do with the South in particular (and maybe the league as a whole except for a very few exceptions) not being very good this year. If there are some very poor teams, even the mediocre ones will find some wins.

I am a little surprised how bad CUC is this year, but maybe I shouldn't be. The last four years they had a core group of guys, the last of which graduated last year, who were pretty decent basketball players. Unfortunately, they didn't get replaced with equally talented upperclass players who are still in the program.

This year they are playing with Khirey Floyd (who sat out the last half of last year) and Taylor Rawlings, plus a handful of guys who either couldn't get on the court last year as juniors or a crowd of underclassmen - many of whom should frankly be playing JV to gain some seasoning in this their first or second year of college basketball.

A quick look at the box scores of two of CUC's opponents at CIT showed two players, Al Kahlfeld (now at CUW) and Devin Pankey (now at CUAA) who used to play for CUC and would certainly help CUC be a better club this year if they were still in the program. Not to mention there were about five guys on the opening day roster who might have contributed at some point this year who are no longer with the team for whatever reason.

Oh well, almost time for baseball . . .




Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 30, 2013, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on January 30, 2013, 12:15:08 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on January 30, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
The South is always full of surprises...

I must admit, I didn't see WLC hanging around as long as they have, CUC being as bad they are, Rockford finding ways to get it done, and even though they are stumbling now, Dominican has been a nice surprise for the NAC after last season.

I think that WLC hanging around, Rockford finding ways to get it done, and Dominican being a nice surprise have a lot to do with the South in particular (and maybe the league as a whole except for a very few exceptions) not being very good this year. If there are some very poor teams, even the mediocre ones will find some wins.


I second that...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on January 30, 2013, 10:22:10 PM
My midweek blog where I discuss things that frustrate me with post play, as well as debuting by "Picks to Click" in the 5 Worth the Price of Admission section and much, much more http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/midweek-blog-10-airing-of-grievances.html

Agree with the fact that the NAC is down this year, especially in the South. It's just a bunch of bad to mediocre teams in the South beating up on each other. But really the whole league is down because of the graduating talent that left the conference the past couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 06, 2013, 10:22:40 AM
DEAD MESSAGE BOARD ALERT

My picks for tonight:
Benedictine over WLC in a close one
Dominican over CUC
CUW over MSOE
Aurora over Rockford

My upset pick:
Edgewood over Marian at the EdgeDome!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 06, 2013, 12:06:37 PM
Bah the board was taking a nap.... :P

2/6

WLC over BU: WLC clinches a tournament spot and keeps pace with Dominican for for second place in the South.
Dominican over CUC: CUC just wants the season to end.
Aurora over Rockford: Aurora gives WLC a gift here by knocking Rockford out of a third place tie.
CUW over MSOE: MSOE is slipping at the wrong time but....
Marian over Edgewood: ...it won't really matter because Marian helps them clinch a spot in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on February 07, 2013, 01:09:35 PM
My midweek blog which gets me caught up (I've been tons busy with work and personal stuff) on whats going down in the conferences as well as other stuff in the NathCon, WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/midweek-blog-11-catching-up.html

A couple of must win games this weekend against teams at the bottom of the South with teams at the Top of the North with CUW going against Wisconsin Lutheran and Marian going up against BenU (Who is somehow, miraculously alive). CUW and Marian are both battling for that No. 2 spot and possibly the No. 1 should Lakeland falter again.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 11, 2013, 10:28:43 AM
Things are going to come down to the wire again this year.

Tues.

Hoping for chaos...
Benedictine pulls a fast one on Rockford
WLC loses a close one at CUC
CUW guts another out at MBBC
Aurora handles Dominican
Marian beats Lakeland in the final minutes
Edgewood wins the season finale against MSOE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on February 11, 2013, 01:12:13 PM
Here is my weekend blog taking a look at BenU-Marian and CUW-WLC as well as games from the MWC and WIAC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/weekend-analysis-9-nitty-gritty.html.

I am also hoping for chaos this week just like Badger Fan...to think that BenU would have a shot at the conference tournament two weeks ago would've just been insane. But there they are controlling half of their destiny against Rockford.

I'm going to go out and say that losing Maranatha is a good thing for this conference because the divisions mess a lot of things up as far as seeding stuff goes. I mean Marian and MSOE getting between a 5 and 8 seed while Dominican gets a three or four seed with a mediocre record is just a travesty. When it goes back to not having divisions next year, this will all go away.

This isn't even the first year that this has happened
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 11, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
Here are my picks for the last regular season slate:
Aurora big over Dominican
CUW gives a rude farewell to Maranatha
Benedictine gets by Rockford
MSOE defeats Edgewood
Lakeland tunes up for the tourney by handling Marian
I'm going with WLC over CUC. WLC is playing to make the tournament - a huge motivation - and CUC is finished after Tuesday. However, CUC is playing a little better recently, and this could be a nail-biter for WLC. (I think that finally figuring out who the players are and which combinations work has helped them somewhat, but they still don't have the overall talent to compete on a night in-night out basis.)

How many other conferences in the nation have a two division setup? I like the idea of playing everybody twice, but will the NAC be able to do that, or are they going to have to go the Big 10 route and play SOME of the teams twice a season but others only once. That I really don't care for either.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 11, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
Next year will be a full double round-robin with no divisions. 20 conference games for the men, 22 conference games for the women.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on February 11, 2013, 04:24:13 PM
That is going to be tough to schedule any kind of non-conference schedule. That lengthy conference schedule maybe only gives you the chance to schedule four, maybe five if you can find a decent spot or a tournament, non-conference games.

For those looking to build a resume at a possible pool C bid, which is obviously difficult to do in the NAC (only happened once in NAC history if I remember correctly, which would've been my senior year with Benedictine and Concordia-Wisconsin making it.) that leaves a limited window and a limited range of possibilities.

Also surprised that they didn't go to an 18-game schedule like it was in the first two years of the conference when they didn't have divisions. Kind of interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on February 11, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
NAC tiebreakers for tomorrow's games...and please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these especially on my quick tangent

http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/blog-special-2-nac-tiebreaker-scenarios.html

In other words the South is going to be fun to watch tomorrow.

But in all seriousness though, if what I'm seeing is correct on the conference website, that Dominican is the No. 3 seed because they beat Concordia-Wisconsin head to head because there is no crossover games this year? If it is I'm speechless.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 12, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 11, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
Next year will be a full double round-robin with no divisions. 20 conference games for the men, 22 conference games for the women.

*applauding*

The best and most fair way. NESCAC take note. The MIAC  does it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 12, 2013, 04:40:13 PM
Quote from: ExBBaller40 on February 11, 2013, 04:24:13 PM
That is going to be tough to schedule any kind of non-conference schedule. That lengthy conference schedule maybe only gives you the chance to schedule four, maybe five if you can find a decent spot or a tournament, non-conference games.

For those looking to build a resume at a possible pool C bid, which is obviously difficult to do in the NAC (only happened once in NAC history if I remember correctly, which would've been my senior year with Benedictine and Concordia-Wisconsin making it.) that leaves a limited window and a limited range of possibilities.

Good point. This got me to thinking (about time).

I'm going to use CUC and Marian as an examples for a little exercise. Both teams currently play a 16 game conference schedule. For a 20 game conference schedule, there have to be four more conference games scheduled. If there are not any extra games added to the overall schedule, there would have to be four fewer non-conference games.

1) What is the purpose of the non-conference schedule? (I'm going to give my answer in bold as if I were the czar AD for an "average" NAC conference team.
Is it:
a) to prepare your team for its conference season? Yes

b)  to get your new players a chance to get acclimated with the veterans before the conference season begins? Yes

      This season, CUC and Marian both played only four (4) non-conference games before they played their first conference game. (Since there are so many teams in the conference already, they all have to start their conference season well before Christmas anyway.) 
     Are four games enough to acclimate your players to each other and/or to prepare your team for conference play? Well, even if they aren't you're not getting many more than that with a double round robin schedule unless you cut down the amount of conference games - and that's not going to happen unless the conference totally splits in two- or add more overall games. You could play less than four non-conference games before the conference season starts, but I doubt the coaches would like that.


c) to give your student-athletes an opportunity to play more games than your conference season allows? Yes
      If you expand your conference games and reduce your non-conference games, the number of games played is the same.   

d) to give your team a "break" in the middle of the conference season from the conference grind? No. (I don't think the CCIW or MIAA teams do this. Once the conference season starts, you're in it for the long haul.)
        Of the other non-conference games that CUC and Marian played after the conference schedule began, Marian played five: Dubuque, Martin Luther, St. Norbert and Northwestern MN (in a tournament), and Northland. CUC played five: Roosevelt, Eureka, Robert Morris, and two other Concordias. If you stay with the scenario that you must cut out four non-conference games to make room for the extra conference games, you get to keep one more of these latter non-conference games on your schedule. Are there any of these games that are "must-plays" for either school?
     I see two issues here: a) are there any "rivalry" games that you absolutely can't play before the conference season starts? and b) what about "reward" tournaments to warm, sunny climes? (Personally I would hate for the Concordias to have to give up the Concordia Invitational Tournament, but that's another story)

e) to build a resume for a Pool C bid? No. The NAC has gotten precious few of those in the past anyhow, although CUW did get one last year as well as the one mentioned in the post below.

2) Is the purpose of non-conference play the same from conference to conference? From team to team? From year to year?
     I'd be interested to hear any thoughts from other posters.

3) Does distance of travel within the conference and cost of such travel effect the number of non-conference games?

     For CUC (or Marian), are an extra two or three trips to the Wisconsin (or Illinois) schools per year (remembering that if you play those schools twice instead of once, half of those "extra" games will be at home) going to be more of an economic impact than playing the five non-conference "mid-season" games you're playing now? I'm thinking no.
     
Right now I'm leaning toward "20 game double round-robin is a good better thing than the current setup or a Big 10 type schedule, fewer non-conference games or not.

Now about the women and that 22 game conference schedule . . .







Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2013, 04:51:19 PM
I would wager most men's teams will play three non-conference games before the NAC schedule starts. That leaves two to play for a Christmas break tournament. Most teams don't want their first game after Christmas break to be a conference game.

It will be harder for the women, especially if they want to travel to a tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2013, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 12, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 11, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
Next year will be a full double round-robin with no divisions. 20 conference games for the men, 22 conference games for the women.

*applauding*

The best and most fair way. NESCAC take note. The MIAC  does it.

Agreed. There's really only two fair ways to schedule a conference slate. Either make it a double round-robin within divisions and a single round-robin across divisions, which is how the NAthC currently does it, or eliminate divisions altogether and make it a double round-robin for everybody, which is what the NAthC is now going to do it.

This actually goes against my self-interest, as this move will make it harder for CCIW teams to find non-conference foes. But I applaud the NAthC for doing the right thing.

Quote from: RFMichigan on February 12, 2013, 04:40:13 PMOf the other non-conference games that CUC and Marian played after the conference schedule began, Marian played five: Dubuque, Martin Luther, St. Norbert and Northwestern MN (in a tournament), and Northland. CUC played five: Roosevelt, Eureka, Robert Morris, and two other Concordias.

How much of an institutional investment does CUC have in taking part in that annual Battle of the Four Concordias tourney? Is it a case of the school's administration telling the coach, "We need to show the flag whenever there's a get-together of Missouri Synod schools," thus forcing him to put that tourney on CUC's schedule? Or does he have the ability to abandon that tourney at his discretion?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 12, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 12, 2013, 05:18:40 PM
How much of an institutional investment does CUC have in taking part in that annual Battle of the Four Concordias tourney? Is it a case of the school's administration telling the coach, "We need to show the flag whenever there's a get-together of Missouri Synod schools," thus forcing him to put that tourney on CUC's schedule? Or does he have the ability to abandon that tourney at his discretion?

That, Greg, is an excellent question. For us old-timers, when CIT was a tournament which featured, literally, brother against brother, former high school teammates playing against each other, former college teammates playing against each other, and future professional colleagues playing against each other, it was a BIG DEAL.  Now, I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: NACfan215 on February 12, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
I believe, if my sources are correct, that the woman will also be playing a 20 game conference schedule with a rotation of who they will play twice each year!  I am a fan of more non-conference games to get a better idea of where your team stacks up (and hopefully in the long haul, a better chance of getting at large bids (you cant be the best unless you play the best)) .... but anyways that gets me back to something i mentioned on the womans forum about the rotating schedule of who you play twice during a given season,  what happens for example if Marian ends up playing WLC and CUW twice each in the same year, and EC for example is on a rotation where WLC and CUW are the two teams they only play once (yes i realize the likelyhood of that is very low, especially if the conference takes the upper echelon of teams into consideration), but lets say EC ends up getting the 8th spot in the conference tourny by one game over Marian (lost 4 games total to WLC and CUW, while EC only recieved 2 losses)? im sure i am thinking way into depth, but what is the point of combining the two divisions if everyone still will not have an equal schedule?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on February 12, 2013, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: ExBBaller40 on February 11, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
But in all seriousness though, if what I'm seeing is correct on the conference website, that Dominican is the No. 3 seed because they beat Concordia-Wisconsin head to head because there is no crossover games this year? If it is I'm speechless.

Why speechless?  CUW had Dominican on its own floor and didn't take care of business.  The biggest gripe out there should be for AU who has the best NAC record and had to play Lakeland in Sheboygan in their only meeting...now as the #2-seed, they have to host their rival who is a completely different team than they were early in the season with transfers getting familiar with their new teammates. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2013, 11:37:23 PM
Quote from: FR_Sam on February 12, 2013, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: ExBBaller40 on February 11, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
But in all seriousness though, if what I'm seeing is correct on the conference website, that Dominican is the No. 3 seed because they beat Concordia-Wisconsin head to head because there is no crossover games this year? If it is I'm speechless.

Why speechless?  CUW had Dominican on its own floor and didn't take care of business.  The biggest gripe out there should be for AU who has the best NAC record and had to play Lakeland in Sheboygan in their only meeting...now as the #2-seed, they have to host their rival who is a completely different team than they were early in the season with transfers getting familiar with their new teammates.

I think CUW has the bigger complaint easy. AU was only one game better than LC, while playing in a far inferior division. The fifth place team in the North went 5-1 against the South. True CUW should have taken care of business against DU, but 12-4 in the North is leaps and bounds better than 7-9 in the South.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on February 13, 2013, 12:13:32 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 12, 2013, 11:37:23 PM
Quote from: FR_Sam on February 12, 2013, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: ExBBaller40 on February 11, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
But in all seriousness though, if what I'm seeing is correct on the conference website, that Dominican is the No. 3 seed because they beat Concordia-Wisconsin head to head because there is no crossover games this year? If it is I'm speechless.

Why speechless?  CUW had Dominican on its own floor and didn't take care of business.  The biggest gripe out there should be for AU who has the best NAC record and had to play Lakeland in Sheboygan in their only meeting...now as the #2-seed, they have to host their rival who is a completely different team than they were early in the season with transfers getting familiar with their new teammates.

I think CUW has the bigger complaint easy. AU was only one game better than LC, while playing in a far inferior division. The fifth place team in the North went 5-1 against the South. True CUW should have taken care of business against DU, but 12-4 in the North is leaps and bounds better than 7-9 in the South.

My point exactly...anyone can have an off night and lose...but to be considerably better over an entire season and in a tougher division mind you and not get rewarded for it.

Not to mention that this could've just been solved if they had the crossover game like the past few years in which Concordia would've had another shot at Dominican.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on February 13, 2013, 12:42:40 AM
All CUW had to do was beat Dominican. If that game was at DU I would have said CUW deserves a shot on their home floor...but that game was in Mequon.  Every team had the opportunity to control their own destiny.

Besides, it plays out that Divisions are still in effect. Top half of bracket is all North teams and bottom is all South. Almost as if still two separate conferences and then play crossover for AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2013, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: FR_Sam on February 13, 2013, 12:42:40 AM
Besides, it plays out that Divisions are still in effect. Top half of bracket is all North teams and bottom is all South. Almost as if still two separate conferences and then play crossover for AQ.

Which is another unfortunate thing. If it was a just world, the semifinals would have three North teams and Aurora.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on February 13, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
I agree most statements. The NAC conference tournament selection is screwed up. I at least believe we can all agree on that. Aurora now it seems as a sure in cake walk into the finals. While the 4 north teams are going to beat each other up and grind it out to the finish. I understand the seeding between 1 north and 1 south getting the 1-2 seeds, however the seeding should go by higher overall record and the head to head between the north and south to break up the tie. If that was the case the seeding would be as follows...

1. Aurora 14-2 hosting 8. Benedictine 6-10
2. Lakeland 13-3 hosting 7. Marian 10-6
3. CUW 12-4 hosting 6. Rockford 6-10
4. DU 11-5 hosting 5. MSOE 11-5

Based on pure overall record...

1. Aurora 14-2
2. Lakeland 13-3
3. CUW 12-4
4. MSOE 11-5
5. Marian 10-6
6. Dominican 7-9
7. Rockford 6-10
8. Benedictine 6-10

AU vs BU
LC vs RC
CUW vs DU
MSOE vs MU

Either one of those options seems more intriguing to me for the conference tournament than what we have now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 13, 2013, 11:51:43 AM
Quote from: jdubb104 on February 13, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
I agree most statements. The NAC conference tournament selection is screwed up. I at least believe we can all agree on that. Aurora now it seems as a sure in cake walk into the finals. While the 4 north teams are going to beat each other up and grind it out to the finish. I understand the seeding between 1 north and 1 south getting the 1-2 seeds, however the seeding should go by higher overall record and the head to head between the north and south to break up the tie. If that was the case the seeding would be as follows...

1. Aurora 14-2 hosting 8. Benedictine 6-10
2. Lakeland 13-3 hosting 7. Marian 10-6
3. CUW 12-4 hosting 6. Rockford 6-10
4. DU 11-5 hosting 5. MSOE 11-5

Based on pure overall record...

1. Aurora 14-2
2. Lakeland 13-3
3. CUW 12-4
4. MSOE 11-5
5. Marian 10-6
6. Dominican 7-9
7. Rockford 6-10
8. Benedictine 6-10

AU vs BU
LC vs RC
CUW vs DU
MSOE vs MU

Either one of those options seems more intriguing to me for the conference tournament than what we have now.

Yes, this makes way too much sense.  It passes the  :o test too!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 13, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
The good news is that next year, none of this is an issue.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on February 13, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Nothing has changed from previous years.  For the majority of the NAC's existence, in fact, it was harder to play in the South than the North.  It wasn't until last year that the North finally beat a South team to get to the national tournament.  A few years ago, a 7-9 Dominican team went to CUW, the overall 1-seed, as the eighth seed and beat CUW.  So this is nothing new in the NAC and all that matters is winning the games you play.

If you still want rationale for the seeding, look at each team's record against the other teams in the NAC Tournament and understand the schedule is unbalanced.

LC and AU are both 8-2 against NAC Tournament teams.  CUW is 6-4 (and played 3 out of the 4 NAC South teams at home).  DU and MSOE are both 5-5 (and DU played 3 out of the 4 North teams, the top 3 in the North in fact, on the road).  MU is 4-6 and RC and BU are both 2-8.

The unbalanced schedule leads to head-to-head being the determining factor in seeding.  Does CUW who played two more home games than DU have a huge complaint while they are only one-game better against the teams in the conference tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
The 2010 #1CUW v #8DU is an irrelevant argument, check the box score from that game.  When you lose an all-conference player to injury before halftime it's tough to win any game, much less a conference tournament game. 

As far as the seeding argument, it is what it is.  The conference officials/coaches voted on this prior to the season so they have no one to blame.  The only team that should be mad is Aurora.  Clearly the best team in the NAC. 

Looking at years past, it doesn't pay to be the #1 seed!  The #1 seed hasn't won since Aurora in 06-07, most of the time the top seed doesn't even make it to the championship game.  Don't be surprised to see Lakeland go down early, tough to beat a team three times in one season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 14, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
Don't be surprised to see Lakeland go down early, tough to beat a team three times in one season.

You know statistically, that's been proven untrue, right? I know it's fun to say, but when one team has won the first two games, they are actually more likely to win the third game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2013, 02:51:49 PM
Concordia did it last year to Marian ha eatin my words for lunch
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 14, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
Don't be surprised to see Lakeland go down early, tough to beat a team three times in one season.

You know statistically, that's been proven untrue, right? I know it's fun to say, but when one team has won the first two games, they are actually more likely to win the third game.

This honestly has to do more with the two teams that play the game. If it were Calvin and Hope... yeah, tough to win a third game. But if it is the top and the bottom of a league? Isn't that hard.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 14, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
The 2010 #1CUW v #8DU is an irrelevant argument, check the box score from that game.  When you lose an all-conference player to injury before halftime it's tough to win any game, much less a conference tournament game. 

So I checked the box score from that game (and I couldn't figure out exactly who was injured for CUW - maybe Newton-Kemp?), but I did notice that Dominican put up 65second half points.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 14, 2013, 03:50:42 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 14, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
Don't be surprised to see Lakeland go down early, tough to beat a team three times in one season.

You know statistically, that's been proven untrue, right? I know it's fun to say, but when one team has won the first two games, they are actually more likely to win the third game.

This honestly has to do more with the two teams that play the game. If it were Calvin and Hope... yeah, tough to win a third game. But if it is the top and the bottom of a league? Isn't that hard.

That has nothing to do with it being the third game between two evenly-matched teams, though, and everything to do with the fact that they're evenly-matched to begin with. In other words, it's a truism that any time that those two teams play -- be it the first time, the second time, the third time, or the nineteenth time -- it will be a tough game to win.

This is the time of year when people start to trot out that hoary "tough to beat a team three times" cliche. It drives me nuts. As Bill said, there's no truth to it at all. If you're beaten a team twice already, you've pretty much established that you're better than they are ... and you're thus more likely to win a third time than to finally lose one. Doesn't mean that the lesser team never picks up a win on the third try, but it doesn't happen most of the time. It's a totally baseless and empty saying.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on February 14, 2013, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 14, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: BadgerFan42 on February 14, 2013, 11:18:03 AM
The 2010 #1CUW v #8DU is an irrelevant argument, check the box score from that game.  When you lose an all-conference player to injury before halftime it's tough to win any game, much less a conference tournament game. 

So I checked the box score from that game (and I couldn't figure out exactly who was injured for CUW - maybe Newton-Kemp?), but I did notice that Dominican put up 65second half points.  :o

Kyle Barth got hurt. The main point was that the power has traditionally been in the South and the North teams had an easier path and better seeding in the tournament. This is really the first, maybe second, year the North has been stronger. So the seeding is what it is and lets see what the tournament brings.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on February 15, 2013, 02:07:30 PM
My blog containing lots of information on the NAC as well as the WIAC and MWC http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/terrys-first-uber-blog.html

Combined about three blogs that I wanted to do into one. But I think it works...

Should be a fun weekend starting up the NAC tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on February 16, 2013, 02:34:03 PM
My live blog is up for Benedictine vs. Aurora. You can follow along here at http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/live-blog-benedictine-vs-aurora.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2013, 11:54:30 AM
Edgewood alum Ben Wisniewski made his professional basketball debut on Sunday for the Saigon Heat of the ASEAN Basketball League...

http://edgewoodcollegeeagles.blogspot.com/2013/02/alumni-update-wisniewski-makes.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 19, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 19, 2013, 11:54:30 AM
Edgewood alum Ben Wisniewski made his professional basketball debut on Sunday for the Saigon Heat of the ASEAN Basketball League...

http://edgewoodcollegeeagles.blogspot.com/2013/02/alumni-update-wisniewski-makes.html

I'm torn. I was born in Saigon but also attended Lakeland College. We hated everything about our old Lake Michigan Conference rival!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 20, 2013, 12:46:40 AM
Nath-Con Semifinal Results

Lakeland 69
Concordia Wisconsin 68

Aurora 71
Dominican 67
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on February 20, 2013, 03:35:47 AM
Great night of NathCon basketball.  Two tightly contested matchups that both went down to the wire. In the end the Division Champs prevailed. Looking forward to a high-powered offensive battle on Saturday. Hats off to Dominican and CUW for pushing the North/South champs to their limits tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
Despite the shaky seeding practices, I think it all worked out as it should. We've got the two best teams playing in the final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2013, 02:02:02 PM
Aurora manhandles Lakeland 95-71 in the Conference Championship game. This game was over from the opening tip as Aurora scored the first ten points of the game. Lakeland managed to make it of a game in the second half but could not get within seven. Aurora shot 54% for the game (13-22 from three point land).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on February 25, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
For all the whining about the seeding, it seems like the #3 seed gave the eventual champs, Aurora, the best game of the tournament.  And no one game doesn't make a season, but that was the second time Dominican gave the Spartans a game in a little over a week.  Maybe the seeds weren't as far off as everyone wanted to believe...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 25, 2013, 12:39:42 PM
Aurora takes on St. Thomas (MN) in the first round. I feel this will be a high scoring game if Aurora plays well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: FR_Sam on February 25, 2013, 02:20:28 PM
Tough draw to have to go to nation's #1 team...best of luck to the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2013, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 25, 2013, 12:39:42 PM
Aurora takes on St. Thomas (MN) in the first round. I feel this will be a high scoring game if Aurora plays well.

The Spartans will have to play a lot better than merely "well" if they want to put a lot of points up on St. Thomas. Dunno if you've checked out UST's stats yet, but the Tommies only allowed 60.2 ppg this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 01, 2013, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2013, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 25, 2013, 12:39:42 PM
Aurora takes on St. Thomas (MN) in the first round. I feel this will be a high scoring game if Aurora plays well.

The Spartans will have to play a lot better than merely "well" if they want to put a lot of points up on St. Thomas. Dunno if you've checked out UST's stats yet, but the Tommies only allowed 60.2 ppg this season.

I'm aware of that. If Aurora has any chance of being close they need to play defense which hasn't been their strong suit all season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 06, 2013, 11:17:57 AM
Final Regular Season Standings:

North

1. Lakeland 22-6 (13-3)
2. Concordia Wisconsin 18-9 (12-4)
3. MSOE 17-9 (11-5)
4. Marian 15-11 (10-6)
5. Edgewood 7-18 (6-10)
6. Maranatha 6-21 (1-15)

South

1. Aurora 22-7 (14-2)
2. Dominican 10-17 (7-9)
3. Rockford 8-18 (6-10)
4. Benedictine 8-18 (6-10)
5. Wisconsin Lutheran 9-16 (6-10)
6. Concordia Chicago 4-21 (4-12)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on April 17, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
Did Jack Sikma play in this league   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 17, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on April 17, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
Did Jack Sikma play in this league   ???
The league is only seven years old, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. Maybe you're making a joke that's going over my head.

Sikma played for Illinois Wesleyan of the CCIW.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on May 20, 2013, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on April 17, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on April 17, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
Did Jack Sikma play in this league   ???
The league is only seven years old, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. Maybe you're making a joke that's going over my head.

Sikma played for Illinois Wesleyan of the CCIW.

I thought he played at Lakeland.  Might be another Sikma. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 21, 2013, 04:56:47 AM
Appleton Rocks:

Since Jack Sikma originally hails from Kankakee-- are you thinking perhaps of other players from there? (Kankakee born Khendal Andrews  played for Lakeland from 07-08 to 09-10 seasons).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hopefan on May 21, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on May 21, 2013, 04:56:47 AM
Appleton Rocks:

Since Jack Sikma originally hails from Kankakee-- are you thinking perhaps of other players from there? (Kankakee born Khendal Andrews  played for Lakeland from 07-08 to 09-10 seasons).

Jack Sikma's brother was from Kankakee too... he had a son that played Frosh Ball with my son at Hope in mid 90's... another son, Jason Sikma, played at Greenville in 2002-2005.

No Sikma played at Lakeland
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on May 21, 2013, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: hopefan on May 21, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on May 21, 2013, 04:56:47 AM
Appleton Rocks:

Since Jack Sikma originally hails from Kankakee-- are you thinking perhaps of other players from there? (Kankakee born Khendal Andrews  played for Lakeland from 07-08 to 09-10 seasons).

Jack Sikma's brother was from Kankakee too... he had a son that played Frosh Ball with my son at Hope in mid 90's... another son, Jason Sikma, played at Greenville in 2002-2005.

No Sikma played at Lakeland

You know your Sikmas !!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: RTF on May 25, 2013, 12:01:07 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran College Recruiting Class (from wissports):

Tyler Domenoski, 6-3, Waukesha West
Christian Walz, 6-2, Waukesha West
D.J. Escamilla, 6-1, Arrowhead
Ruben Ortiz, 6-2, Waukesha North
Josh Wiza, 6-3, St. Thomas More
Jim Marose, 6-7, UW-Waukesha
Jake Jarnigo, 6-1, Lakeside Lutheran – A transfer from UW-Whitewater
Kolbe Nienhaus, 6-5, Kimberly
Brandon Hagel, 6-6, Bonduel
Jake Van Fleet, 6-0, Muskego
Kevin Friederichs, 6-6, Plymouth
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on June 06, 2013, 12:33:23 PM
The conference (along with Rockford) will have a slightly different name next year: http://www.northernac.org/releases/2012-13/20130606nacc
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
Guess I should have posted our link here first instead of Twitter.

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2013/06/nathc-changes-name
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: KnightSlappy on June 06, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
Guess I should have posted our link here first instead of Twitter.

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2013/06/nathc-changes-name

So now it's NathCCon?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AndOne on June 06, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on June 06, 2013, 12:33:23 PM
The conference (along with Rockford) will have a slightly different name next year: http://www.northernac.org/releases/2012-13/20130606nacc

Rockford College will become Rockford University as of 7/1/13.
However, I remember quite a lot of discussion about 4-5 years ago regarding a high probability of Rockford's eminent demise. The administration must have turned things around to a significant degree since then.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on June 07, 2013, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on June 06, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
Guess I should have posted our link here first instead of Twitter.

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2013/06/nathc-changes-name

So now it's NathCCon?

I heard Big East was not available.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 10, 2013, 06:14:19 PM
I'm figuring it'll be the "NACC".
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on June 11, 2013, 09:58:04 AM
Here are the tenative non-cons for the NACC teams

Aurora

11/15 vs Illinois Wesleyan
11/16 vs TBD (at Illinois Wesleyan)
11/20 at Millikin
11/26 vs North Central (IL)

Benedictine

Schedule isn't up yet.

Concordia Chicago

1/24 vs Concordia Wisconsin (CIT Tournament)
1/25 vs TBD (CIT Tournament)

Concordia Wisconsin

11/15 vs TBD (at Carroll University?)
11/16 vs TBD (at Carroll University?)
1/24 vs Concordia Chicago (CIT Tournament)
1/25 vs TBD (CIT Tournament)

Dominican

11/15 at Lake Forest
11/19 vs Beloit
11/23 at Greenville (IL)
11/24 at Webster (MO)

Edgewood

11/18 vs UW-Stevens Point
11/23 vs Fontbonne
11/24 vs Westminster (MO)
12/28 at Hope
1/2 at UW-Whitewater

Lakeland

Schedule isn't up yet.

Marian

11/16 vs Martin Luther
11/20 at Ripon
11/22 vs TBD (at Bethel University)
11/23 vs TBD (at Bethel University)

MSOE

Schedule isn't up yet.

Rockford

Schedule isn't up yet.

Wisconsin Lutheran

11/15 at Lawrence
11/19 at North Park (IL)
11/21 vs Beloit
1/2 vs Cardinal Stritch
Title: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 30, 2013, 04:00:19 PM
Let's see if changing the name of the league will make the men's hoops race any wilder this season than it was last season-- (as if '12-13 wasn't wild enough--)
Title: Re: MBB: NACC
Post by: Just Bill on June 30, 2013, 10:26:23 PM
Probably makes more sense to ask the Moderators to change the name on the existing thread, rather than starting a whole new one. No need to throw away all the previous discussions.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 02, 2013, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on June 30, 2013, 10:26:23 PM
Probably makes more sense to ask the Moderators to change the name on the existing thread, rather than starting a whole new one. No need to throw away all the previous discussions.

Agreed. Sigh. Just like we did when the conference was formed and we merged the LMC and NIIC boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on July 09, 2013, 12:52:47 PM
Starting up a new part of my blog, and yes I know I've been five months away from it. It's called Story Time with Terry, where I share an interesting story from my hooping days. It will be every Tuesday all year round.

I'm also encouraging any other DIII players, coaches, spectators, announcers, whoever who has their own interesting, unique, uplifting, funny story to share me that story so these story times are not always just about me. It's time to show people what DIII is really all about.

http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/07/story-time-with-terry-introthe-first.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 09, 2013, 11:36:07 PM
Good stuff, Terry. I enjoyed reading it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on July 16, 2013, 03:34:24 PM
Week Two of Story Time With Terry is up, and it gives you guys a little taste of the AU-BU rivalry. Be sure if you have any interesting stories you'd like to share on the blog, hit me up.

http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/07/story-time-with-terry-my-hatred-of-town.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on July 23, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
A new Story Time is up. Check it out at: http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/07/story-time-with-terry-marker-incident.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 29, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
This was posted in the SLIAC room today, Referring to Eureka College

"New look Red Devils this year.  Not a lot of info, but looks like Marious and Marquis Lobdell are on board, both coming from Aurora U.

Marious: 6' 0" guard, AU's leading scorer last year at 16 ppg
Marquis: 6' 3" forward, bench player averaging 6.6 ppg and 4 rpg"

Any inside info that SLIAC fans could be made aware of... what kind of players are they?  Were there any obvious reasons for the transfer?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on July 30, 2013, 12:37:16 PM
New Story Time with Terry is up here: http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/07/story-time-with-terry-finding-groove.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on August 12, 2013, 08:16:29 PM
New Story Time With Terry is up here: http://diiihoopsblog.blogspot.com/2013/08/story-time-with-terry-shot-of-lifetime.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: petemcb on August 26, 2013, 02:52:34 PM
Any word on whether Luke Johnson is returning to BU this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 26, 2013, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: petemcb on August 26, 2013, 02:52:34 PM
Any word on whether Luke Johnson is returning to BU this year?

Surprisingly, Johnson was active with the BU squad in the recently completed summer league at JOG in Deerfield. I say surprisingly because, from all accounts, the story he gave Bosko when he left Carthage was that he felt he is a D1 level player currently and a future NBA player, and the way to D1 and the NBA was not through Carthage. Therefore, I think the combined local D3Hoops community was somewhat shocked when he showed up not at a D1, but at Benedictine last season. I had assumed BU was just a way station on the trail to D1 which Johnson declared himself fit for when he bid adieu to Carthage. Accordingly, that is why I found it surprising to see him still associated with the BU boys this summer. Perhaps the D1s he contacted decided that they really had no use for a soft 6'9" player who disdains any form of physical inside play, and instead prefers to hang out around the arc and fire up threes, on which he was successful an astounding 23% of the time at BU last year.

In conclusion, all indications point to Johnson playing for BU again this year. Likely just a short delay on his way to NBA stardom. I'm sure the BU staff is happy to have the benefits of his services again. He is one heck of a D3 player, that most D3 teams would be thrilled to have.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 28, 2013, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: hopefan on July 29, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
This was posted in the SLIAC room today, Referring to Eureka College

"New look Red Devils this year.  Not a lot of info, but looks like Marious and Marquis Lobdell are on board, both coming from Aurora U.

Marious: 6' 0" guard, AU's leading scorer last year at 16 ppg
Marquis: 6' 3" forward, bench player averaging 6.6 ppg and 4 rpg"

Any inside info that SLIAC fans could be made aware of... what kind of players are they?  Were there any obvious reasons for the transfer?

SLIAC room, page 745
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: ExBBaller40 on August 28, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
Quote from: AndOne on August 26, 2013, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: petemcb on August 26, 2013, 02:52:34 PM
Any word on whether Luke Johnson is returning to BU this year?

Surprisingly, Johnson was active with the BU squad in the recently completed summer league at JOG in Deerfield. I say surprisingly because, from all accounts, the story he gave Bosko when he left Carthage was that he felt he is a D1 level player currently and a future NBA player, and the way to D1 and the NBA was not through Carthage. Therefore, I think the combined local D3Hoops community was somewhat shocked when he showed up not at a D1, but at Benedictine last season. I had assumed BU was just a way station on the trail to D1 which Johnson declared himself fit for when he bid adieu to Carthage. Accordingly, that is why I found it surprising to see him still associated with the BU boys this summer. Perhaps the D1s he contacted decided that they really had no use for a soft 6'9" player who disdains any form of physical inside play, and instead prefers to hang out around the arc and fire up threes, on which he was successful an astounding 23% of the time at BU last year.

In conclusion, all indications point to Johnson playing for BU again this year. Likely just a short delay on his way to NBA stardom. I'm sure the BU staff is happy to have the benefits of his services again. He is one heck of a D3 player, that most D3 teams would be thrilled to have.

According to Coach Bunk's Twitter, it sounds like he'll be staying at BU for good...Like you AndOne, as a former Eagle, wasn't exactly impressed with how Johnson and  the 6'8 or 6'9 Tim McGinty played together. Granted they had only half a season together and I expect better things this year, but in a conference that isn't exactly a big and tall conference (most bigs tend to be 6'5 or 6'6) they didn't exactly dominate.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 31, 2013, 06:39:06 PM
With Maranatha moving out of the NACC, will the conference still be split into a north and south division for standings, or will it be all 11 schools in same standings?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on September 01, 2013, 07:26:08 PM
All 11 will be together.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: hopefan on September 01, 2013, 08:44:01 PM
Thanks Bill.....   setting up my spreadsheet!!    ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on September 10, 2013, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on June 11, 2013, 09:58:04 AM
Here are the tenative non-cons for the NACC teams

Benedictine

Schedule isn't up yet.

Concordia Chicago

1/24 vs Concordia Wisconsin (CIT Tournament)
1/25 vs TBD (CIT Tournament)

Concordia Wisconsin

11/15 vs TBD (at Carroll University?)
11/16 vs TBD (at Carroll University?)
1/24 vs Concordia Chicago (CIT Tournament)
1/25 vs TBD (CIT Tournament)

Lakeland

Schedule isn't up yet.

Marian

11/16 vs Martin Luther
11/20 at Ripon
11/22 vs TBD (at Bethel University)
11/23 vs TBD (at Bethel University)

MSOE

Schedule isn't up yet.

Rockford

Schedule isn't up yet.


Updates

Benedictine

11/20 vs Elmhurst
11/22 at Dubuque
11/26 at North Central (IL)
12/17 at North Park

Concordia Chicago

11/16 at Robert Morris-Chicago (IL)
11/23 at Bethany Lutheran
12/16 vs Fontbonne
12/19 vs Silver Lake
1/25 at CIT Tournament

Concordia Wisconsin

11/15 at Carroll
11/18 at UW-Whitewater
12/14 at Millikin
12/30 at Finlandia
1/25 at CIT Tournament

Lakeland

11/15 vs Martin Luther
11/18 at UW-La Crosse
11/21 at Silver Lake (at UW-Manitowoc)
11/24 vs Macalester
12/31 at Finlandia

Marian

11/16 vs Martin Luther
11/20 at Ripon
11/22 at Bethel (MN)
11/23 vs TBD (at Bethel)
1/20 at Northland International

MSOE

11/23 vs Westminster (MO)
11/24 vs Fontbonne
12/16 vs Knox (IL)
12/28 at La Verne
12/30 at Occidental

Rockford

11/15 vs Loras
11/23 vs Eureka
11/27 at Blackburn
12/30 at Dubuque
12/31 vs TBD
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on October 24, 2013, 12:21:38 PM
NACC Preseason Poll is out and here is how the coaches feel the conference will stack up.

1. Aurora 223 (12)
2. Lakeland 211 (7)
3. Marian 184 (3)
4. MSOE 161
5. Benedictine 147
6. Concordia Wisconsin 145
7. Dominican 120
8. Edgewood 84
9. Rockford 81
10. Wisconsin Lutheran 51
11. Concordia Chicago 45
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 04, 2013, 02:28:05 PM
CUC vs. UConn at Hartford tonight. The only question: Will CUC keep it within the 73 that CU-AA lost by to the University of Michigan?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 05, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
Per the result on the UConn schedule, the answer to that question is "yes".
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 13, 2013, 02:07:39 PM
Opening Weekend is upon us!!

Friday, 11/15

Ripon vs Aurora: Spartans should be able to handle Ripon here.

Loras at Rockford: Not a clue on this one.

Dominican at Lake Forest: Toss up...

Wisconsin Lutheran at Lawrence: Too many new faces make it tough for the Warriors to win this one.

Martin Luther (MN) at Lakeland: Muskies have no trouble here.

Concordia Wisconsin at Carroll: CUW seems to be taking a step back this year. Carroll has big things in their sights this year.

Saturday 11/16

Martin Luther (MN) at Marian: Want to see where this Marian team goes this year in the NACC.

Concordia Chicago at Robert Morris-Chicago: Prove it to me CUC.

Aurora vs IWU: IWU wins this running away.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 16, 2013, 08:33:31 AM
11/15 Scores

Lawrence 92
Wisconsin Lutheran 77

Defense seemed to be a little shaky in the second half for the Warriors as they allowed Lawrence to shoot 53% for the game. Jake Jaringo scored 25 points in a losing effort.

Aurora 83
Ripon 75

Aurora shot 50% for the game while holding Ripon to 36% shooting. Three players tied for 18 points to lead the Spartans.

Rockford 89
Loras 84

Tony Minnifield and David Dixon combined to go 21/30 shooting including 6/8 from three point land to lead the Regents.

Lakeland 92
Martin Luther 77

Lakeland held their UMAC foe to 34% shooting. Justin Ward led the Muskies with 25 points and 12 rebounds.

Carroll 90
Concordia Wisconsin 71

CUW had a hard time stopping the Pioneers allowing them to shoot for 60% for the game.

Lake Forest 94
Dominican 88

Stars led at half 48-40 but a big second half for the Foresters was the difference in this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
11/16 Scores

Marian 79
Martin Luther 70

Robert Morris-Chicago 80
Concordia Chicago 61

Illinois Wesleyan 89
Aurora 67
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2013, 01:12:48 PM
11/18 Matchups

Concordia Wisconsin at #13 UW-Whitewater: Whitewater wins big.

#4 UW-Stevens Point at Edgewood: This won't be close either.

Lakeland at UW-La Crosse : Could be the closest game of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 19, 2013, 01:19:56 PM
UW-Whitewater 106
Concordia Wisconsin 70

UW-Stevens Point 80
Edgewood 45

UW-La Crosse 89
Lakeland 61

11/19-11/21 Matchups

11/19

Wisconsin Lutheran at North Park: Warriors hung tough with Lawrence until the Vikings pulled away late. I think they get win number one on the road.

Beloit at Dominican: Beloit looks to be solid this year in the Midwest.

11/20

Aurora at Millikin: Aurora's firepower carries them here.

Elmhurst at Benedictine: Litmus test for the Eagles.

Rockford at Concordia Chicago: Regents look decent this year.

Marian at Ripon: Could go either way.

11/21

Beloit at Wisconsin Lutheran: Beloit should be able to win this over a rebuilding WLC team.

Lakeland at Silver Lake: Over by halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on November 19, 2013, 06:54:07 PM
Concordia Mequon G Eric Kittel was a great player for his father at Brillion.  Expect big things from him.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 21, 2013, 12:35:36 PM
Millikin 79
Aurora 70

Elmhurst 77
Benedictine 76

Rockford 87
Concordia Chicago 79

Ripon 82
Marian 65
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 23, 2013, 07:19:05 PM
CUC's 76-72 win over Bethany (MN) is their first non-conference win since the 2010-2011 season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 03, 2013, 10:57:07 PM
12/3 Scores

Wisconsin Lutheran 62
Lakeland 60

Concordia Wisconsin 72
Edgewood 63

Marian 62
MSOE 53

Rockford 83
Dominican 79

Aurora 75
Benedictine 74

Concordia Chicago 93
Silver Lake 69

NACC Standings

1. Aurora 4-2 (2-0)
2. Marian 3-3 (2-0)
3. Rockford 5-1 (2-1)
4. Concordia Wisconsin 2-3 (2-1)
5. MSOE 3-1 (1-1)
6. Lakeland 4-2 (1-1)
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-2 (1-1)
8. Edgewood 3-2 (1-1)
9. Concordia Chicago 2-3 (0-2)
10. Benedictine 1-5 (0-2)
11. Dominican 0-6 (0-2)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 05, 2013, 10:22:51 PM
Anyone have Marian for the last NACC unbeaten? OT win for the Sabres and a Rockford win over Aurora puts MU in first tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 06, 2013, 01:34:58 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 05, 2013, 10:22:51 PM
Anyone have Marian for the last NACC unbeaten? OT win for the Sabres and a Rockford win over Aurora puts MU in first tonight.

This conference has been bonkers early on for both sides. Marian needed overtime to beat a WLC team that could easily be 3-0 or 0-3 in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 06, 2013, 09:47:18 AM
I think we have a conference without a great team, but with a lot of really good teams. I think a conference champion with 4 losses is very possible. Road wins are going to be really hard to get and the battles for tournament seeding and berths are going to go all the way to the end.

I don't know if there's a team in the league that can win an NCAA Tournament game, but the conference race is going to be wild.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on December 15, 2013, 09:27:15 AM
KITTEL !!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: jdubb104 on December 16, 2013, 02:13:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45lweP4OjMk&feature=c4-overview&list=UU3QILhih4kB8dy_edUlos5g

Here is a link to the half court buzzer beater that Eric Kittel had for CUW on Saturday to beat Milikin. Awesome shot!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on December 24, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
Is there any news about the Nathcon since 12/16?  Bueller?  Anyone?  ;) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 27, 2013, 03:52:58 PM
Well at this point the NACC on the men's side seems to be a interesting race. Preseason favorite Aurora is tied with Marian atop the standings at 6-1 in conference. Behind them there is five teams within a game of each other. A lot of interesting results so far, such as Wisconsin Lutheran. They sit at 1-4 in league play but three of those four losses were six points or fewer. It's going to be interesting how the conference unfolds in the 2014 portion of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 04, 2014, 12:37:31 PM
1/4 Picks

Dominican at Wisconsin Lutheran: The Stars season has been a disappointment so far. Wisconsin Lutheran wins their second straight conference game.

Concordia Wisconsin at Rockford: Smart money is on Rockford but you can't count out Concordia Wisconsin.

Concordia Chicago at MSOE: The Raiders take care of business against the Cougars.

Benedictine at Marian: Sabres take this one a tight game.

Aurora at Lakeland: Part one of what could decide the conference race. I think the Spartans take a tight game on the road.

Edgewood at Hope: Hope puts this one away early.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on January 23, 2014, 06:36:58 PM
If a tree falls in the Nathcon nation, ................. ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 24, 2014, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on January 23, 2014, 06:36:58 PM
If a tree falls in the Nathcon nation, ................. ???

As the Geico commerical explained to all of us, it does make a sound.  ;D

Unfortunately, I've been kinda busy with work and been more focused to the women's side of things.

Marian has taken control of the NACC race at 12-1 in conference being 2.5 games up on Lakeland. Behind Marian,  Lakeland, Aurora, MSOE and Edgewood are separated by 1.5 games. The bad luck award goes to my alma mater Wisconsin Lutheran. Before beating rival CUW a few nights ago (by single digits), they had lost seven straight conference games by less than five points.

Individually, Dixon from Rockford and Ward from Lakeland are the only two players average over 20 points per game. Ward is averaging 21.0 points per game and a tad over 10 rebounds per game.

This weekend's matchups

1/24

Concordia Wisconsin vs Concordia Chicago (CIT): Falcons should take this one.

1/25

Rockford at Lakeland: Surging Muskies create some breathing room between them and Aurora and MSOE over a slumping Rockford squad.

Dominican at Edgewood: Eagles silently keep pace with the top four teams in the conference.

Aurora at MSOE: Game of the Day. I think Aurora finds a way to win a close game on the road against a stout MSOE team.

Benedictine at Wisconsin Lutheran (Winterfest): Though I could be wrong here....I think WLC drops another close game at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on January 24, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
Are all the Concordia named teams the Falcons?    ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 24, 2014, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on January 24, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
Are all the Concordia named teams the Falcons?    ???

Depends on which Division (or NAIA) Concordias we are talking about  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 26, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
Another Hoopsville episode is lined up for tonight (Sunday, January 26). Join us as we catch up on the last few days and talk to Marian MBB coach Mark Boyle and the following guests:

- #11 York (Pa.) WBB coach Betsy Witman
- #13 Montclair St. WBB coach Karin Harvey
- Babson MBB coach Stephen Brennan
- Guilford MBB coach Tom Palombo
- Plus we introduce you to Division III athletes, a capella, and a great recruiting tool for Washington College.

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Thank you and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sac on January 26, 2014, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on January 24, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
Are all the Concordia named teams the Falcons?    ???

Concordia-Michigan is the Cardinals.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 26, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
Quote from: sac on January 26, 2014, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on January 24, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
Are all the Concordia named teams the Falcons?    ???

Concordia-Michigan is the Cardinals.

Concordia-Nebraska is the Bulldogs who beat the Concordia Wisconsin Falcons yesterday in the championship game of the Concordia Invitational Tournament.

And while we are at it.....

Concordia (TX): Tornados
Concordia (IL): Cougars
Concordia-Morehead (MN): Cobbers
Concordia-St. Paul (MN): Golden Bears
Concordia (CA): Eagles
Concordia (OR): Cavaliers
Concordia (AL): Hornets
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on January 26, 2014, 11:19:38 PM
Thanks Joe !
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on February 06, 2014, 01:42:41 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Tahron Harvey of Benedictine?
He was starting, but now seems to have dropped out of sight. He lis still on the roster, but last appeared in a box score on 1/11.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 06, 2014, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 06, 2014, 01:42:41 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Tahron Harvey of Benedictine?
He was starting, but now seems to have dropped out of sight. He lis still on the roster, but last appeared in a box score on 1/11.

Not quite sure on that one. I think he was on the bench when I saw WLC play them two weeks ago. Speaking of WLC, they completed the season sweep of Lakeland handing the Muskies their first home loss of the season. Marian could not capitalize on the loss as they fell to MSOE. Marian maintains a two game lead atop the NACC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 20, 2014, 12:52:23 PM
NACC Tournament field has been set.

(1) Marian (19-6, 17-3)
(8) Wisconsin Lutheran (10-15, 7-13)

(4) Aurora (17-8, 14-6)
(5) Benedictine (14-11, 12-8)

(3) Lakeland (18-7, 14-6)
(6) Edgewood (11-14, 9-11)

(2) MSOE (21-4, 16-4)
(7) Concordia Wisconsin (11-14, 9-11)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 20, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 20, 2014, 12:52:23 PM
NACC Tournament field has been set.

(1) Marian (19-6, 17-3)
(8) Wisconsin Lutheran (10-15, 7-13)

(4) Aurora (17-8, 14-6)
(5) Benedictine (14-11, 12-8)

(3) Lakeland (18-7, 14-6)
(6) Edgewood (11-14, 9-11)

(2) MSOE (21-4, 16-4)
(7) Concordia Wisconsin (11-14, 9-11)

Got your 6 and 7 backwards.

Edgewood goes to MSOE, CUW goes to Lakeland.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2014, 02:50:55 PM
The final week of the regular season is upon us and already teams are on the bubble hoping to qualify for the NCAA national championships and that can also mean some upsets. So tonight, we focus on the bubble and who has to get it done this week in conference tournaments. We will be talking to MSOE MBB coach Brian Miller along with the following guests tonight:

- Rhodes WBB coach Matt Dean
- Emory MBB coach Jason Zimmerman
- Lyndon State MBB coach Joe Krupinski
- Wheaton (MA) WBB coach Melissa Hodgdon
- UW-Stevens Point WBB coach Shirley Egner
- Ohio Wesleyan WBB coach Stacey Lobdell off their upset of #1 DePauw
- Baruch WBB coach Machli Joseph

We will also feature a special #whyd3 story from York (Pa.) women's basketball you have to see.

Show starts at 7 PM EST and will run until at least 9:30 tonight.

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Thanks and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on March 01, 2014, 11:26:16 PM
Marian going dancing
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2014, 12:27:01 AM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on March 01, 2014, 11:26:16 PM
Marian going dancing

Couple videos from the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic-tUCXll7g (Drew Binversie interview)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvc76OATuDA (End of game, fans' reaction)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 31, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
2014-15 NACC Preseason Coaches' and SIDs' Poll

1. Aurora (13), 230
2. MSOE (8), 222
3. Benedictine, 174
4. Concordia Wisconsin (1), 172
5. Marian, 156
6. Edgewood, 134
7. Lakeland, 130
8. Wisconsin Lutheran, 90
9. Rockford, 54
10. Concordia Chicago, 48
11. Dominican, 42
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 12, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Should be fun to watch this year - especially with how wide-open the conference race seems like it will be.

Who did Marian lose that they're only picked 5th after taking Stevens Point to the brink last spring? Or are the other contenders just expected to have gotten better?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 13, 2014, 10:05:02 AM
Marian's top four scorers from last season were all seniors that have graduated.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 17, 2014, 09:58:05 AM
Big win for Benedictine over #4 Illinois Wesleyan.

Marian finds the new year won't be like the last with a loss to Beloit.

Edgewood led Loras by 7 with about 2:30 to play, but lost in OT.

CUW and MSOE both go 1-1, pounding a week opponent and losing to a decent one.

DU and Rockford lose on the road, but CUC scores 90 in a win over Knox.

Lakeland completes their traditional early-season burial of Finlandia.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2014, 02:02:49 PM
NACC went 5-6 this past weekend. Not bad.

This week's predictions (Today-Thursday)

11/18

Rockford at Loras: Rockford got smoked in their opener. It won't get any easier for them here.

Millikin at Aurora: Spartans start the season with a win at home.

Maranatha at Concordia Chicago: CUC goes to 2-0 with a rout against former NACC foe.

Chicago at Dominican: DU drops to 0-2 in a rout.

Lawrence at Wisconsin Lutheran: I think WLC has a shot here at home.

Silver Lake at Lakeland: Muskies breeze by another overmatched opponent.

UW-Oshkosh at Edgewood: Toss up......UW-Oshkosh finds a way on the road.

11/19

Ripon at Marian: Ripon seems to be one of the top teams in the Midwest. Marian has a little rebuilding to do.

11/20

Maranatha at Wisconsin Lutheran: Warriors roll in this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on November 18, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
Lawrence 68, WI Lutheran 65
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 19, 2014, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on November 18, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
Lawrence 68, WI Lutheran 65

Loras 88 Rockford 85
Aurora 90 Millikin 67
Maranatha 75 Concordia Chicago 71 (WHAT!?!?!)
Chicago 70 Dominican 48
Lakeland 100 Silver Lake 86
UW-Oshkosh 74 Edgewood 56

Standings

1. Lakeland 2-0
2. Aurora 1-0
3. Benedictine 1-0
4. Concordia Wisconsin 1-1
5. MSOE 1-1
6. Concordia Chicago 1-1
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 0-1
8. Marian 0-1
9. Dominican 0-2
10. Edgewood 0-2
11. Rockford 0-2
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
Good work, Captain. Nice to see you in yhe National Pick Ems too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 21, 2014, 11:07:40 PM
Wednesday
Ripon 63 Marian 61

Thursday
Wisconsin Lutheran 69 Maranatha 55

Friday
Aurora 70 UW-La Crosse 68
Illinois College 90 Rockford 68

A busy day tomorrow, including the first two conference games of Benedictine at MSOE in a battle of pre-season favorites and Edgewood at Wisconsin Lutheran. All told, I believe every team except Lakeland will be in action.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 23, 2014, 12:34:56 PM
Saturday's Scores

Non-Conference

Buena Vista 90 Rockford 83
Greenville 97 Dominican 84
Concordia Chicago 69 Roosevelt 60
UW-River Falls 90 Concordia Wisconsin 74
Marian 80 Northland International 44
St. Francis (IL) 63 Aurora 56

Conference

Edgewood 85 Wisconsin Lutheran 80 (2OT)
Benedictine 62 MSOE 61

Standings as of 11/23/14

1. Benedictine 2-0 (1-0)
2. Edgewood 1-2 (1-0)
3. Lakeland 2-0 (0-0)
4. Aurora 2-1 (0-0)
5. Concordia Chicago 2-1 (0-0)
6. Concordia Wisconsin 1-2 (0-0)
7. Marian 1-2 (0-0)
8. Dominican 0-3 (0-0)
9. Rockford 0-4 (0-0)
10. Wisconsin Lutheran 1-2 (0-1)
11. MSOE 1-2 (0-1)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 28, 2014, 11:19:33 PM
And some scores from earlier this week:

Monday
Lakeland 85 Northland International 45

Tuesday
Conference
Wisconsin Lutheran 80 Dominican 67

Non-Conference
North Central 67 Aurora 63
#8 Illinois Wesleyan 97 MSOE 63
Wheaton 86 Benedictine 73
#11 UW-Stevens Point 69 Edgewood 60 (OT)

First full round of conference play tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 29, 2014, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on November 28, 2014, 11:19:33 PM
And some scores from earlier this week:

Monday
Lakeland 85 Northland International 45

Tuesday
Conference
Wisconsin Lutheran 80 Dominican 67

Non-Conference
North Central 67 Aurora 63
#8 Illinois Wesleyan 97 MSOE 63
Wheaton 86 Benedictine 73
#11 UW-Stevens Point 69 Edgewood 60 (OT)

First full round of conference play tomorrow!

Wisconsin Lutheran at Bethany Lutheran: Something tells me WLC is better than advertised. They should not have trouble here.

Concordia Wisconsin at Aurora: Best game of the day. Aurora has a bit more firepower.

Edgewood at Benedictine: Toss up.

Lakeland at Concordia Chicago: Muskies should not have much difficulty.

Marian at Dominican: Sabres win on the road.

MSOE at Rockford: Rockford continues their search for their first win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
WLC 74 BL 60
Aurora 85 CUW 71 (CUW actually lead at halftime)
Benedictine 63 Edgewood 53
Lakeland 76 CUC 60
Marian 61 Dominican 54
MSOE 76 Rockford 72
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2014, 11:50:28 AM
Nice work, Captain Joe.  I appreciate your updates. +k
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 04, 2014, 01:22:04 PM
NACC Standings as of 12/4/14

1. Lakeland 5-0 (2-0)
2. Aurora 4-2 (2-0)
3. Marian 3-2 (2-0)
4. Benedictine 3-2 (2-1)
5. Edgewood 2-4 (2-1)
6. Rockford 1-5 (1-1)
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-3 (1-2)
8. MSOE 2-4 (1-2)
9. Concordia Chicago 2-2 (0-1)
10. Concordia Wisconsin 1-4 (0-2)
11. Dominican 0-6 (0-3)

Thursday's Matchups

Rockford at Aurora: Regents have their work cut out for them in this one.

Wisconsin Lutheran at Marian: Unfortunately for WLC, they are entering a tough part of the conference slate.

Edgewood at MSOE: Toss up.

Benedictine at Concordia Chicago: BU has better athletes at this point.

Lakeland at Concordia Wisconsin: CUW is scuffling right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 05, 2014, 10:38:44 PM
Thursday
Aurora 94 Rockford 72
Marian 77 Wisconsin Lutheran 55
MSOE 68 Edgewood 65
Benedictine 73 Concordia Chicago 59
Concordia Wisconsin 86 Lakeland 61 (As a Muskie fan, yeesh. But an important win for CUW that could very well get their season on track.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 06, 2014, 01:06:58 PM
Today's Matchups

MSOE at Beloit: Beloit is okay but not where the Raiders are.

Benedictine at Concordia Wisconsin: CUW got a big win and I think they turn it into something here.

Concordia Chicago at Edgewood: CUC has a ways to go.

Dominican at Lakeland: DU hoops has seen some rough times for both teams.

Aurora at Wisconsin Lutheran: WLC's meatgrinder December schedule continues.

Marian at Rockford: Sabres are going to be a sleeper in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 07, 2014, 03:26:25 PM
MSOE 80 Beloit 62
Benedictine 63 Concordia Wisconsin 57
Edgewood 89 Concordia Chicago 76
Lakeland 86 Dominican 64
Aurora 67 Wisconsin Lutheran 58
Marian 70 Rockford 58

And no, it does not appear that Marian is planning to give up its title without a fight.

NACC Standings as of 12/7/14
1. Aurora 6-2 (4-0)
2. Marian 5-2 (4-0)
3. Benedictine 5-2 (4-1)
4. Lakeland 6-1 (3-1)
5. Edgewood 3-5 (3-2)
6. MSOE 4-4 (2-2)
7. Concordia Wisconsin 2-5 (1-3)
8. Rockford 1-7 (1-3)
9. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-5 (1-4)
10. Concordia Chicago 2-4 (0-3)
11. Dominican 0-7 (0-4)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 12, 2014, 01:23:02 PM
NACC Standings as of 12/12/14

1. Aurora 7-2 (5-0)
2. Marian 5-2 (4-0)
3. Benedictine 5-2 (4-1)
4. Lakeland 6-1 (3-1)
5. Edgewood 3-5 (3-2)
6. MSOE 5-4 (2-2)
7. Concordia Wisconsin 2-5 (1-3)
8. Rockford 1-7 (1-3)
9. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-5 (1-4)
10. Concordia Chicago 2-4 (0-3)
11. Dominican 0-8 (0-5)

Saturday's Matchups

Edgewood at Aurora: Edgewood is a work in progress. Aurora is looking strong.

MSOE at Dominican: Dominican's long season continues.

Concordia Chicago at Marian: Marian keeps CUC winless in NACC play.

Wisconsin Lutheran at Rockford: WLC has a rough stretch but they should be fine here.

Lakeland at Benedictine: Should be a good game. Muskies get the road win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 14, 2014, 02:01:09 PM
Saturday's Scores

Edgewood 84 Aurora 76
Dominican 66 MSOE 65
Marian 84 Concordia Chicago 58
Lakeland 64 Benedictine 61
Wisconsin Lutheran 91 Rockford 74

NACC Standings as of 12/14/14

1. Marian 6-2 (5-0)
2. Aurora 7-3 (5-1)
3. Lakeland 7-1 (4-1)
4. Benedictine 5-3 (4-2)
5. Edgewood 4-5 (4-2)
6. MSOE 5-5 (2-3)
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 4-5 (2-4)
8. Concordia Wisconsin 2-5 (1-3)
9. Rockford 1-8 (1-4)
10. Dominican 1-8 (1-5)
11. Concordia Chicago 2-5 (0-4)

Some head turning scores yesterday. Edgewood goes on the road and hands Aurora their first conference loss. MSOE loses to previously winless Dominican. Five teams are 1.5 games back of Marian to this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 14, 2014, 02:24:35 PM
Good to see Dominican get off the schneid.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 21, 2014, 01:05:08 AM
And here's the scores from this week:

Tuesday
Concordia Wisconsin 72 Dominican 54
Lakeland 88 MSOE 77

Wednesday
Aurora 65 Marian 62
Rockford 64 Illinois Tech 51 (nc)
#21 North Central 65 Benedictine 64 (nc)

Thursday
Concordia Wisconsin 74 Wisconsin Lutheran 55
Lakeland 93 Concordia Chicago 85

Saturday
Wisconsin Lutheran 69 Concordia Chicago 49
Aurora 77 Concordia Wisconsin 74
Rockford 79 Edgewood 63

NACC Standings as of 12/20/14
1. Aurora 9-3 (7-1)
2. Lakeland 9-1 (6-1)
3. Marian 6-3 (5-1)
4. Benedictine 5-4 (4-2)
5. Edgewood 4-6 (4-3)
6. Concordia Wisconsin 4-6 (3-4)
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 5-6 (3-5)
8. MSOE 5-6 (2-4)
9. Rockford 3-8 (2-4)
10. Dominican 1-9 (1-6)
11. Concordia Chicago 2-7 (0-6)

Benedictine nearly springs a second upset over a ranked opponent. Also, Rockford picks up a nice win up in Madison - will this get them pointed in the right direction?

I thought Lakeland was going to be better than the 7th place team they were predicted as, but I wouldn't have believed you if you said they'd be only 1/2 game out at the holiday break. But in college, you never really know, especially with a couple impact newcomers aiding the Muskies' cause.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 21, 2014, 01:52:29 AM
Nice work, Ryan. +1 K

You a Muskie grad?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 22, 2014, 04:03:31 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 21, 2014, 01:52:29 AM
Nice work, Ryan. +1 K

You a Muskie grad?

I hope! It's great to have other fans from the NACC around the conference threads along with the regulars like WLCalum (currently MIA) and me.

My thoughts of the NACC as we hit winter break:

It's tight at the top of the league. Three teams have one loss each in led by Aurora at 7-1. The second half will tell us of these team which one will have the friendly confines for the entire tournament.

Benedictine's 5-4 record may not be impressive but they knocked off Augustana and nearly beat North Central. I think they will be a major player in the title hunt going forward.

The mid pack of the NACC will be fun to watch too. Wisconsin Lutheran can play with anyone any night led by Jarango and Marose, Edgewood does not beat themselves that often and Concordia has some nice pieces that have contributed so far.

MSOE in my mind has been a slight disappointment so far. Was expecting them to be in the mix at the top but right now they are playing inconsistent basketball in the NACC.

CUC and Rockford are still rebuilding.

It has been a rough year for Dominican basketball as both the men's and the women's basketball teams are a combined 2-19 (1-12).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2014, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on December 22, 2014, 04:03:31 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 21, 2014, 01:52:29 AM
Nice work, Ryan. +1 K

You a Muskie grad?

I hope! It's great to have other fans from the NACC around the conference threads along with the regulars like WLCalum (currently MIA) and me.

My thoughts of the NACC as we hit winter break:

It's tight at the top of the league. Three teams have one loss each in led by Aurora at 7-1. The second half will tell us of these team which one will have the friendly confines for the entire tournament.

Benedictine's 5-4 record may not be impressive but they knocked off Augustana and nearly beat North Central. I think they will be a major player in the title hunt going forward.

The mid pack of the NACC will be fun to watch too. Wisconsin Lutheran can play with anyone any night led by Jarango and Marose, Edgewood does not beat themselves that often and Concordia has some nice pieces that have contributed so far.

MSOE in my mind has been a slight disappointment so far. Was expecting them to be in the mix at the top but right now they are playing inconsistent basketball in the NACC.

CUC and Rockford are still rebuilding.

It has been a rough year for Dominican basketball as both the men's and the women's basketball teams are a combined 2-19 (1-12).

They don't play Augie - it was IWU they beat, but that is just about as impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 23, 2014, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 22, 2014, 04:14:18 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on December 22, 2014, 04:03:31 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 21, 2014, 01:52:29 AM
Nice work, Ryan. +1 K

You a Muskie grad?

I hope! It's great to have other fans from the NACC around the conference threads along with the regulars like WLCalum (currently MIA) and me.

My thoughts of the NACC as we hit winter break:

It's tight at the top of the league. Three teams have one loss each in led by Aurora at 7-1. The second half will tell us of these team which one will have the friendly confines for the entire tournament.

Benedictine's 5-4 record may not be impressive but they knocked off Augustana Illinois Wesleyan and nearly beat North Central. I think they will be a major player in the title hunt going forward.

The mid pack of the NACC will be fun to watch too. Wisconsin Lutheran can play with anyone any night led by Jarango and Marose, Edgewood does not beat themselves that often and Concordia has some nice pieces that have contributed so far.

MSOE in my mind has been a slight disappointment so far. Was expecting them to be in the mix at the top but right now they are playing inconsistent basketball in the NACC.

CUC and Rockford are still rebuilding.

It has been a rough year for Dominican basketball as both the men's and the women's basketball teams are a combined 2-19 (1-12).

They don't play Augie - it was IWU they beat, but that is just about as impressive.
@Greek Tragedy: I am. And I still live in the area (always have), so I get out there on a pretty regular basis.

A pair of big games to restart conference play in earnest on January 3, with Lakeland at Aurora in a battle for first place and Marian at Benedictine. The (IL) Eagles could really use that game as they already have home losses to AU and LC in the books, and need to play all three on the road yet.

The Raiders have already lost more games this season (6) than they did all of last year (5). But you get the feeling that MSOE has better basketball in them. And while it'll likely be too late to salvage any regular-season title hopes, seeing that they're already 4 games out, I don't think that's a team you'd want to draw in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 30, 2014, 11:48:46 PM
Sorry if I'm violating any double posting rules (I didn't see any), but with conference play resuming tomorrow (CUC at Rockford in a New Year's Eve matinee), this is as good a time as any to reset things.

12/21
Whitworth 78 Marian 64

12/22
Whitman 103 Marian 71

Sunday
Ramapo 88 Edgewood 78
Benedictine 96 Wesley 75

Monday
Edgewood 73 Wesley 65
Lake Forest 76 Dominican 49
Ramapo 83 Benedictine 76
Heidelberg 88 Lakeland 76
Wisconsin Lutheran 70 Willamette 69 (OT)

Tuesday
Lakeland 92 Illinois Tech 45
Wisconsin Lutheran 68 Wartburg 54
Greensboro 77 Dominican 61

NACC Standings as of 12/30/14
1. Aurora 9-3 (7-1)
2. Lakeland 10-2 (6-1)
3. Marian 6-5 (5-1)
4. Benedictine 6-5 (4-2)
5. Edgewood 5-7 (4-3)
6. Concordia Wisconsin 4-6 (3-4)
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 7-6 (3-5)
8. MSOE 5-6 (2-4)
9. Rockford 3-8 (2-4)
10. Dominican 1-11 (1-6)
11. Concordia Chicago 2-7 (0-6)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 01, 2015, 11:37:32 PM
Not really Ryan. I thought double posting happens when you accidentally click post twice lol. Thanks for the post update.....Have been busy with a few things.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 04, 2015, 04:35:09 PM
Wednesday
Concordia Chicago 97 Rockford 94

Saturday
Aurora 84 Lakeland 79
MSOE 76 Concordia Chicago 72
Benedictine 80 Marian 70
Wisconsin Lutheran 67 Dominican 63
Concordia Wisconsin 79 Rockford 74

And just like that, the Spartans open a 1 1/2 game lead on their pursuers (Lakeland, with Benedictine and Marian another 1/2 game behind them). But that return meeting up in Sheboygan oughta be something. Not gonna miss that one (weather permitting, of course ;D).

Next week, for the most part the contenders stay away from each other.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 08, 2015, 09:54:43 AM
1/7 Scores

Benedictine (8-5, 6-2) 73
Wisconsin Lutheran (8-7, 4-6) 57

MSOE (7-6, 4-4) 80
Aurora (10-4, 8-2) 76

Edgewood (7-7, 6-3) 64
Dominican (1-13, 1-8) 56

Concordia Wisconsin (6-6, 5-4) 90
Concordia Chicago (3-9, 1-8) 75

Also Rockford's Head Coach Ryan Rebsom resigned yesterday. http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150107j5a1vk
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 08:16:52 PM
That's a shame. I had a chance to chat with Ryan Rebsom before a game a couple of years ago. Seems like a good guy.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 09, 2015, 10:01:26 PM
Rockford is not an easy place to succeed. Few resources. Major roster turnover.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
Exactly. Heck, it seemed for a while there back at the turn of the last decade as though the school might actually have to close. Rockford is indeed a tough gig.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 10, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 09, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
Exactly. Heck, it seemed for a while there back at the turn of the last decade as though the school might actually have to close. Rockford is indeed a tough gig.

As an assistant coach of men's tennis at WLC, last year they disbanded both their tennis programs due to lack of finances for both programs so their is a measure of financial problems in the athletics program still.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 10, 2015, 10:11:10 PM
In happier coaching news, the Benedictine win over Wisconsin Lutheran on Wednesday was number 300 for their head coach Keith Bunkenburg. http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150108xg0qkr (http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150108xg0qkr)

Saturday
Concordia Wisconsin 82 Benedictine 72
Concordia Chicago 88 Edgewood 85
Lakeland 73 Dominican 68
Aurora 95 Wisconsin Lutheran 70
Marian 70 Rockford 46

NACC Standings as of 1/10/15
1. Aurora 9-2 (11-4)
2. Lakeland 7-2 (11-3)
3. Benedictine 6-3 (8-6)
3. Marian 6-3 (7-7)
5. Concordia Wisconsin 6-4 (7-6)
5. Edgewood 6-4 (7-8)
7. MSOE 4-4 (7-6)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 4-7 (8-8)
9. Rockford 2-7 (3-11)
10. Concordia Chicago 2-8 (4-9)
11. Dominican 1-9 (1-14)

Currently only 2 1/2 games separating the top six teams; this is proving to be as wide open as preseason predictions thought it would be. Several of the teams play 3 games next week, so there should be plenty of room for movement, especially for the Muskies (at Edgewood, Marian, Aurora) and Sabres (CUW, at Lakeland, Benedictine)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 17, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
Tuesday
Concordia Chicago 73 Dominican 63
Edgewood 93 Lakeland 61
Concordia Wisconsin 56 Marian 48
MSOE 68 Wisconsin Lutheran 54
Benedictine 78 Rockford 58

Thursday
Benedictine 84 Dominican 61
Marian 82 Lakeland 65
Aurora 117 Concordia Chicago 78
Concordia Wisconsin 87 MSOE 48

The Falcons have won 5 in a row since the New Year and are all the way up to 3rd place now. Lakeland, on the other hand, has been struggling of late, to the point where our second meeting with Aurora today is basically a must-win as far as the Muskies' conference title hopes are concerned.

Based on a quick peek through the schedule pages, Aurora's output from Thursday appears to be the most any NACC team has scored in over 5 years (since Aurora's 136-121 win over Grinnell on 11/27/09) and the second-highest figure in a conference game (WLC beat Rockford 118-82 back on 2/12/08).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 17, 2015, 12:38:05 PM
1/17 Matchups

Aurora at Lakeland: Expect a high scoring game in this one.

Benedictine at Marian: Another good game here. I think McGinty and company pull out a road win.

Concordia Wisconsin at Rockford: Streaking Falcons win their sixth straight.

Concordia Chicago at MSOE: Raiders should win this one.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 19, 2015, 09:41:18 PM
Saturday
Aurora 79 Lakeland 76
Benedictine 74 Marian 62
Concordia Wisconsin 100 Rockford 75
MSOE 87 Concordia Chicago 60

Yay, you got all 4 right! ... Well, not yay, because you picked against my school and they lost. :P But that LC-AU game was more than worth the price of admission - no more than a six point margin at any point in the final 12:18.

NACC Standings as of 1/19/15
1. Aurora 11-2 (13-4)
2. Benedictine 9-3 (11-6)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 9-4 (10-6)
4. Edgewood 7-4 (8-8)
5. Lakeland 7-5 (11-6)
5. Marian 7-5 (8-9)
7. MSOE 6-5 (9-7)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 4-8 (8-9)
9. Concordia Chicago 3-10 (5-11)
10. Rockford 2-9 (3-13)
11. Dominican 1-11 (1-16)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 21, 2015, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 19, 2015, 09:41:18 PM
Saturday
Aurora 79 Lakeland 76
Benedictine 74 Marian 62
Concordia Wisconsin 100 Rockford 75
MSOE 87 Concordia Chicago 60

Yay, you got all 4 right! ... Well, not yay, because you picked against my school and they lost. :P But that LC-AU game was more than worth the price of admission - no more than a six point margin at any point in the final 12:18.

NACC Standings as of 1/19/15
1. Aurora 11-2 (13-4)
2. Benedictine 9-3 (11-6)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 9-4 (10-6)
4. Edgewood 7-4 (8-8)
5. Lakeland 7-5 (11-6)
5. Marian 7-5 (8-9)
7. MSOE 6-5 (9-7)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 4-8 (8-9)
9. Concordia Chicago 3-10 (5-11)
10. Rockford 2-9 (3-13)
11. Dominican 1-11 (1-16)

Yeah....You don't want to see what my alma mater did to your school's women's team tonight getting revenge for a early season loss in Sheboygan  ;)

IMO the top five teams have a legit shot of winning the auto-bid come tournament time. Right now AU is the favorite but BU, CUW, Lakeland and Edgewood have claims too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2015, 12:51:50 PM
Lakeland doesn't have a claim anymore.  They lost 3 in a row and 2  of those at home. In addition, two weren't even close.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 21, 2015, 11:03:50 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2015, 12:51:50 PM
Lakeland doesn't have a claim anymore.  They lost 3 in a row and 2  of those at home. In addition, two weren't even close.
Obviously not if the Muskies play like they did last week, but I'm not willing to count them out yet. (But then again, I might be just a little biased...  ;D) Or, for that matter, anyone else in a league where Edgewood almost pulled it off from the No. 7 seed last year.

Wednesday
Wisconsin Lutheran 82 Concordia Wisconsin 80
Marian 61 Edgewood 58
Aurora 80 Dominican 64
Lakeland 91 MSOE 70
Rockford 69 Concordia Chicago 59

With the CUW and Edgewood losses, only Benedictine is left within 3 of Aurora in the loss column.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 01, 2015, 01:53:29 PM
NACC Standings as of 2/1/15
1. Aurora (x) 13-3 (16-5)
2. Concordia Wisconsin (x) 11-5 (13-8)
3. Benedictine (x) 10-5 (12-8)
4. Marian 9-6 (10-10)
5. Lakeland 9-7 (13-8)
6. MSOE 8-7 (11-9)
6. Edgewood 8-7 (9-11)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 6-9 (10-10)
9. Rockford 5-11 (6-15)
10. Concordia Chicago 4-12 (6-15)
11. Dominican 2-13 (2-18)
(x) clinched NACC Tournament berth

If Aurora can get past Benedictine at home on Wednesday night, it would seem that the championship is theirs. Still much to be decided behind them though, with only 2 1/2 games separating 2nd place from 7th.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 05, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
Wow, what a night.

Bens (11-5) knocks off Aurora (13-4) in OT
Edgewood (9-7) tops Concordia, WI (11-6) by 2 points.
MSOE (9-7) beats Marian (9-7) by one.
And Lakeland (10-7) wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 06, 2015, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 05, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
Wow, what a night.

Bens (11-5) knocks off Aurora (13-4) in OT
Edgewood (9-7) tops Concordia, WI (11-6) by 2 points.
MSOE (9-7) beats Marian (9-7) by one.
And Lakeland (10-7) wins.

And Rockford beat Dominican in OT as well. So that's four of the five games that hung in the balance in the final seconds of regulation. (For those of you keeping score at home: BU got a clean steal in the backcourt and made a layup to force OT; CUW couldn't get up a shot in the frontcourt to send that game to OT; MSOE hit a 3 for the win; and DU missed a game-winner and got sent to OT.)

Benedictine gets the huge win to keep their title hopes alive, although they'll need to win out (MSOE, Dominican, at Lakeland, at Rockford) and have Aurora lose one of its final three (Marian, at Concordia Chicago, at Edgewood) to get a share.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 07, 2015, 09:53:33 PM
Saturday
Aurora 80 Marian 78
Benedictine 80 MSOE 68
Concordia Wisconsin 80 Dominican 72
Edgewood 84 Rockford 77
Wisconsin Lutheran 68 Concordia Chicago 55

Not quite as much drama as Wednesday night. ;D

NACC Standings as of 2/8/15
1. Aurora 14-4 (17-6)
2. Benedictine 12-5 (14-8)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 12-6 (14-9)
4. Edgewood 10-7 (11-11)
4. Lakeland 10-7 (14-8)
6. MSOE 9-8 (12-10)
6. Marian 9-8 (10-12)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 7-10 (11-11)
9. Rockford 6-12 (7-16)
10. Concordia Chicago 4-13 (6-16)
11. Dominican 2-15 (2-20)

It's pretty obvious the race for 4th (and home court advantage in the first round) will come right down to the wire. My Muskies will have plenty to say about it with games at Marian and vs. Edgewood remaining on the schedule. Farther down, only the 8th and final spot in the NACC Tournament is up for grabs anymore, and after today, Rockford must beat Wisconsin Lutheran next Saturday to keep their hopes alive (although doing so would split the season series and, by my calculations, give the Regents the tiebreaker).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 12, 2015, 10:00:06 PM
And apparently I can't edit my own posts?

Tuesday
Aurora 80 Concordia Chicago 74
Benedictine 82 Dominican 63
Concordia Wisconsin 78 MSOE 74
Lakeland 69 Marian 68
Wisconsin Lutheran 71 Edgewood 65

Let's see... Aurora clinches at least a share of the conference title and, if my math is correct, will be the No. 1 seed in the NACC Tournament. Benedictine remains 1/2 game ahead of CUW for 2nd and will play their game in hand on Saturday. They'll both also be at home in the first round.. Lakeland moves 1 game up in the race to join them, but plays Edgewood (at home) to close out the regular season, and the northern Eagles would have the tiebreaker if they need it. And finally, WLC moves 2 ahead of Rockford as they've won 3 of their last 4, and can personally close the door on the Regents this weekend.

Two more regular season games to go!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 13, 2015, 12:43:22 AM
Not yet -- you have to make a few more posts before you get access to that feature, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 15, 2015, 12:10:05 AM
Okay, good to know. :)

Saturday
Edgewood 96 Aurora 94 (OT)
Benedictine 77 Lakeland 66
MSOE 74 Dominican 58
Marian 73 Concordia Chicago 67
Wisconsin Lutheran 73 Rockford 72

The Warriors clinch their conference tourney berth in style as Breazeale stuffs a potential game winner! Elsewhere, Aurora leaves the door open, as they hit a shot to force overtime but cannot do so again to force double OT, and Benedictine appears poised to walk right through it.

Going into the final day of regular season games on Wednesday, that gives us:

NACC Standings as of 2/15/14
1. Aurora 15-5 (18-7)
2. Benedictine 14-5 (16-8)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 13-6 (15-9)
4. Lakeland 11-8 (15-9)
4. Edgewood 11-8 (12-12)
6. MSOE 10-9 (13-11)
6. Marian 10-9 (11-13)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 9-10 (13-11)
9. Rockford 6-13 (7-17)
10. Concordia Chicago 4-15 (6-18)
11. Dominican 2-17 (2-22)

If my math is correct, Aurora, Benedictine and CUW will be the top three seeds in that order. On Wednesday night, Edgewood at Lakeland decides the fourth seed; they are joined by Benedictine at Rockford where the southern Eagles will be co-champions with a win, Marian at CUW, MSOE at Wisconsin Lutheran who is surging late, and CUC at Dominican which will end both of their campaigns.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: NACfan215 on February 17, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
That will be interesting for LC and EC to turnaround and play each other right away again on Saturday.  Home court could play a big roll in that game.

Lets see if LC men and women can knock off EC in back to back nights at home to clich the tie breaker and higher seed for each.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2015, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: NACfan215 on February 17, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
That will be interesting for LC and EC to turnaround and play each other right away again on Saturday.  Home court could play a big roll in that game.

Lets see if LC men and women can knock off EC in back to back nights at home to clich the tie breaker and higher seed for each.

Could Marian or MSOE jump Edgewood? I don't know the H2H results off hand.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2015, 08:38:00 PM
If Edgewood would lose, they hold the tiebreaker over Marian, but not over MSOE. MSOE holds tiebreaker over Marian. In a three-way tiebreaker it would go #5 MSOE, #6 Marian, #7 Edgewood.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 17, 2015, 09:05:12 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2015, 08:38:00 PM
If Edgewood would lose, they hold the tiebreaker over Marian, but not over MSOE. MSOE holds tiebreaker over Marian. In a three-way tiebreaker it would go #5 MSOE, #6 Marian, #7 Edgewood.

Conversely, were Lakeland to lose (and I'm not planning on it  ;D), they would hold tiebreakers over Marian and/or MSOE, having swept the Raiders and split with the Sabres (LC's win over BU in December would be the advantage there). And a three-way tiebreaker would go #5 Lakeland (3-1), #6 Marian (2-2), #7 MSOE (1-3). So they would have to go to the Edgedome on Saturday.

So MSOE could theoretically have a two seed difference hanging on a single game they're not even playing in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 18, 2015, 09:58:30 PM
The bracket for the 2015 NACC Men's Basketball Tournament:

Quarterfinals - Saturday, Feb. 21, 2:00pm / Semifinals - Tuesday, Feb. 24, 7:00pm / Final - Saturday, Feb. 28, 2:00pm
All games played at higher seed


at #1 Aurora (15-5, 18-7)
#8 Marian (10-10, 11-14)

#5 Lakeland (11-9, 15-10)
at #4 Edgewood (12-8, 13-12)

at #3 Concordia Wisconsin (14-6, 16-9)
#6 MSOE (10-10, 13-12)

#7 Wisconsin Lutheran (10-10, 14-11)
at #2 Benedictine (15-5, 17-8)

Quite frankly, I don't think it would stun me if any of the eight teams win this.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on February 18, 2015, 10:02:00 PM
Eric Kittel basket with 0.8 seconds as Concordia WI deflowers  Marian Cunningham 64-62.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 21, 2015, 05:32:10 PM
NACC Tournament Quarterfinals
#1 Aurora 76 #8 Marian 62
#4 Edgewood 64 #5 Lakeland 59
#3 Concordia Wisconsin 71 #6 MSOE 56
#2 Benedictine 64 #7 Wisconsin Lutheran 55

So in one of the most wide-open years the NACC has ever seen, the top four seeds all hold serve and move on. This is also the 4th time in the last 5 years that Edgewood has ended Lakeland's season, also doing so in a 2011 quarterfinal, the 2012 championship game, and a semifinal last year.

So that gives us for Tuesday night at 7:00:

at #1 Aurora (15-5, 19-7)
#4 Edgewood (12-8, 14-12)

#3 Concordia Wisconsin (14-6, 17-9)
at #2 Benedictine (15-5, 18-8)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 22, 2015, 01:36:37 AM
The wheels really fell off for Lakeland. In one stretch they lost 6 of 8 including 3 in a row and then dropped their last two games, both at home. That's not going to cut it. Very disappointing especially since they started out 6-1 in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 22, 2015, 06:35:40 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 22, 2015, 01:36:37 AM
The wheels really fell off for Lakeland. In one stretch they lost 6 of 8 including 3 in a row and then dropped their last two games, both at home. That's not going to cut it. Very disappointing especially since they started out 6-1 in conference.

But ultimately the numbers don't lie, and they say 0-7 after Christmas against the four teams that finished above the Muskies. Oh well; since I'm just a fan and not a player, there's always next year! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 24, 2015, 11:29:01 PM
NACC Tournament Semifinals
#1 Aurora 77 #4 Edgewood 69
#3 Concordia Wisconsin 76 #2 Benedictine 70

Leaving us with #3 Concordia Wisconsin at #1 Aurora for all the marbles on Saturday afternoon. And somewhat surprisingly with the regular-season success they've had recently, this is the first time the Falcons have made the conference tournament final in the NACC years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 26, 2015, 03:00:19 PM
Former Edgewood head coach Todd Adrian appears to be out of a job at Otterbein after a 3-22 season. Hoop Dirt posted the rumor, but the "TBA" on the coaching staff page seems to confirm it.

http://hoopdirt.com/blog/b141cbf8/hot-rumor-adrian-out-at-otterbein/

http://www.otterbeincardinals.com/coaches.aspx?path=mbball&
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2015, 06:53:19 PM
Wow. Concordia pulls the shocker down in Aurora 73-71.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on March 01, 2015, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2015, 06:53:19 PM
Wow. Concordia pulls the shocker down in Aurora 73-71.

Is it true that they won on an Eric Kittel dunk? Inexplicable to me.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 02, 2015, 09:34:15 AM
They won because Aurora went an unfathomable 2-for-12 at the free throw line.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 02, 2015, 01:15:40 PM
Concordia head to Stevens Point. IWU and Dubuque head there too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 03, 2015, 01:15:55 PM
At UWSP 03/06 

Illinois Wesleyan v Dubuque at 5:00 PM All seats GA

UWSP v Concordia (WI) at 8:00 PM All seats reserved

Both games have separate tickets ($8 apiece for adults, $4 for college students and younger), but tickets to both games can be purchased for $12.


http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2015/3/2/MBB_0302153351.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 06, 2015, 03:28:53 PM
For the UWSP pod tonight, some data:



   Team      Off Eff      Def Eff      Poss/gm      PPG      Def PPG   
   UWSP      114.6      96.5      115.0      65.8      55.6   
   CUW      107.0      97.1      142.5      76.3      69.1   
                                    
   IWU      112.4      96.3      139.8      78.7      67.3   
   Dub      107.2      91.7      144.8      77.8      66.3   

The Off/Def efficiency takes Points/100 possessions and the possessions are compiled by this algorithm:  Poss = FGA - ORB + T.O. + (.475*FTA)                  




   Team      A/Gm      TO/Gm      A/TO Ratio      St/Gm   
   UWSP      11.7      8.2      1.44      6.7   
   Opp      9.8      12.0      0.81      4.1   
                              
   CUW      12.6      12.1      1.04      10.3   
   Opp      13.9      16.9      0.82      6.1   
                              
   IWU      17.5      12.5      1.40      5.0   
   Opp      10.7      12.1      0.88      5.7   
                              
   Dub      12.1      12.6      0.96      9.4   
   Opp      9.9      14.9      0.66      5.4   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 09, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
NCAA First Round
#8 UW-Stevens Point 88 Concordia Wisconsin 56 - http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150307biakck

And the all-conference awards can be found here: http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2014-15/awards-season
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 24, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
A little NACC recruiting news...

http://host.madison.com/conferences/badger-north/prep-sports-area-student-athletes-announce-volleyball-basketball-commitments/article_cacb0d93-1858-5edb-b50c-0c12d65477b1.html
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on October 29, 2015, 06:56:20 PM
2015-16 NACC Preseason Poll
1. Concordia Wisconsin (9), 217
2. Benedictine (7), 215
3. Aurora (5), 214
4. MSOE (1), 185
5. Lakeland, 120
6. Marian, 119
7. Edgewood, 112
8. Wisconsin Lutheran, 89
9. Rockford, 87
10. Dominican, 55
11. Concordia Chicago, 39

The same teams projected to finish at the top as last year, where Aurora and Benedictine were co-champions with CUW finishing 1 game behind them and then winning the conference tournament. Of note, the conference tourney is getting cut down to 6 teams this year instead of 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2015, 08:48:12 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on April 24, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
A little NACC recruiting news...

http://host.madison.com/conferences/badger-north/prep-sports-area-student-athletes-announce-volleyball-basketball-commitments/article_cacb0d93-1858-5edb-b50c-0c12d65477b1.html

That article really threw me off until I noticed the date of publication.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 30, 2015, 10:12:31 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on October 29, 2015, 06:56:20 PM
2015-16 NACC Preseason Poll
1. Concordia Wisconsin (9), 217
2. Benedictine (7), 215
3. Aurora (5), 214
4. MSOE (1), 185
5. Lakeland, 120
6. Marian, 119
7. Edgewood, 112
8. Wisconsin Lutheran, 89
9. Rockford, 87
10. Dominican, 55
11. Concordia Chicago, 39

The same teams projected to finish at the top as last year, where Aurora and Benedictine were co-champions with CUW finishing 1 game behind them and then winning the conference tournament. Of note, the conference tourney is getting cut down to 6 teams this year instead of 8.

That's about us indecisive as this poll has ever been. Top three teams within 3 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2015, 02:05:29 PM
Apparently the SID and coach vote? Usually the numbers in the parentheses means 1st place votes. I count 22.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 31, 2015, 09:31:42 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2015, 02:05:29 PM
Apparently the SID and coach vote? Usually the numbers in the parentheses means 1st place votes. I count 22.

Yes. WIAC has also been doing that for a few years now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on November 14, 2015, 11:00:48 PM
Eric Kittel with 30 tonight for Concordia WI, but no dunks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 15, 2015, 12:37:29 AM
CUW 98 UW-River Falls 91
Marian 67 Finlandia 64
Beloit 77 MSOE 74
Lawrence 74 Dominican 72
Benedictine 88 Illinois Wesleyan
D-II Winona State 92 Wisconsin Lutheran 62
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 17, 2015, 08:15:27 PM
That's the second year in a row Benedictine has knocked off an Illinois Wesleyan team that was in the top 25 once again!

Not gonna win too many games when you shoot 30% like Lakeland did last night. But the Muskies don't seem to have a clear-cut No. 1 option this year like they have the last few years. Hopefully someone develops into one as the season moves along.

And we are underway, as Concordia Wisconsin and Dominican open the conference season actually right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: GoPerry on November 27, 2015, 12:52:48 PM
Not that it means very much this early, but I'll be very interested to see where the voters put Benedictine when the first in-season poll comes out on Monday considering they received nothing in the pre-season poll.  After a pretty impressive 3-0 start, it seems to me they should be well into the top 20.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on November 29, 2015, 09:57:51 AM
CUW was blasting Marian yesterday by 10 plus in Fondy.  Then Marian made a run and CUW almost lost it.  Kittel saved the day at the FT line.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 29, 2015, 01:44:20 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 30, 2015, 11:26:25 PM
Benedictine is ranked #12 in the latest poll which is the highest ranking in school history.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 01, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Scores from last week:

Tuesday
Aurora 103 Lakeland 99
Rockford 72 Loras 61 (nc)
#23 UW-Oshkosh 99 Edgewood 63 (nc)
Ripon 85 Wisconsin Lutheran 73 (nc)
UW-Eau Claire 83 Concordia Wisconsin 78 (nc)

Wednesday
Benedictine 94 #8 Elmhurst 86 (!) (nc)

Saturday
Wisconsin Lutheran 81 MSOE 63
Lakeland 74 Edgewood 52
Rockford 109 Dominican 103
Concordia Wisconsin 83 Marian 79
Aurora 95 North Central 92 (nc)
Fontbonne 112 Concordia Chicago 102 (nc)

A lot of high scoring games early in the season, it seems like. And those can be a lot of fun to watch! :) The LC-AU game on Tuesday night certainly was, even though the Muskies came up short in that one.

Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on November 30, 2015, 11:26:25 PM
Benedictine is ranked #12 in the latest poll which is the highest ranking in school history.
And well deserved, beating two of the preseason top 25 both on the road. I'd have to think those are huge for a potential at-large case, especially in a league like this where you simply don't get many opportunities to play outside of conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 01, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
+1 k for the updates, Ryan.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 07, 2015, 11:23:05 PM
As a reminder, this month we celebrate the 10th anniversary of The BeltTM's (most recent?) foray into NACC country, as Lakeland, Wisconsin Lutheran and Dominican got their hands on the glorious prize between November 26 and December 29 of 2005.

But that was then, and this is now:

Tuesday
#12 Benedictine 89 Rockford 79
Wisconsin Lutheran 81 Marian 71
MSOE 80 Edgewood 57
Lakeland 84 Concordia Wisconsin 82
(ARV) Aurora 126 Concordia Chicago 95

Saturday
#12 Benedictine 84 Marian 76
Concordia Chicago 89 Edgewood 77
(ARV) Aurora 105 Lakeland 81
Concordia Wisconsin 83 Dominican 69
Rockford 95 Wisconsin Lutheran 81

They may not have a fancy number behind their name, but Aurora doesn't seem like they plan to give up their half of the conference title without a fight, and are now 3rd in Division III in scoring at 106.8 ppg! (Although now that they don't get to beat up on Lakeland anymore... ;D)

Way Too Early NACC Standings (through 12/6)
1. (ARV) Aurora 3-0 (5-0)
2. #10 Benedictine 2-0 (5-0)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 3-1 (4-2)
4. Rockford 2-1 (5-2)
4. Wisconsin Lutheran 2-1 (3-4)
6. Lakeland 2-2 (3-3)
6. MSOE 1-1 (2-3)
6. Concordia Chicago 1-1 (1-2)
9. Marian 0-3 (3-4)
9. Dominican 0-3 (0-4)
9. Edgewood 0-3 (0-5)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 13, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
Wednesday
#10 Benedictine 84 MSOE 58
Edgewood 84 Dominican 78
Marian 98 (ARV) Aurora 96
Concordia Wisconsin 112 Rockford 99

Friday
Lakeland 89 Silver Lake 59 (nc)

Saturday
Concordia Chicago 89 Wisconsin Lutheran 85
(ARV) Aurora 92 Concordia Wisconsin 91
#10 Benedictine 77 Edgewood 57
MSOE 76 Dominican 63
Rockford 80 Marian 70

It might be worth keeping an eye on Rockford as we go along - after 9th place finishes each of the last two seasons, the Regents are 6-3 (3-2 NACC) with losses only to undefeated Carroll, ranked Benedictine, and 2015 NCAA Tourney team Concordia Wisconsin. No such luck for Dominican though, as the Stars have now lost 36 of their last 38 games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 13, 2015, 08:08:38 AM
I have the Stars in the winless pool. Keep up the good work, Dominican!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Look It Up on December 14, 2015, 12:11:10 PM
Congrats to CUC's Kylan Anderson who scored his 1,000th career point in Cougars' win at WLC on Saturday. Anderson averaging 32.0 points over first four games this year, and Cougars off to 2-1 start in NACC (2-2 overall).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 14, 2015, 11:13:11 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 13, 2015, 08:08:38 AM
I have the Stars in the winless pool. Keep up the good work, Dominican!  ;D

Not so fast. Dominican 83, Knox 75. You're out!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 16, 2015, 10:16:33 PM
Benedictine, sitting at #7 and climbing, just laid a whoopin' on Aurora 90-62. And with that, they've already opened up a 1 1/2 game lead on their nearest pursuers, and 2 in the loss column.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 17, 2015, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on December 16, 2015, 10:16:33 PM
Benedictine, sitting at #7 and climbing, just laid a whoopin' on Aurora 90-62. And with that, they've already opened up a 1 1/2 game lead on their nearest pursuers, and 2 in the loss column.

Wow, that's a surprising result.  To keep Aurora to 62, after they were averaging 103 ppg coming in... that's very impressive.

Perhaps not surprising is that Benedictine scored 90 in the win. Aurora was giving up almost 93 points per game coming in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 17, 2015, 11:22:12 AM
I'm still not convinced that BU is a top 10 team in the country, but they are certainly very good. Senior-junior led and the ability to play inside or out. Plus they seem to be playing defense which it appears a handful of NACC teams have eschewed this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2015, 02:38:15 PM
Well, Benedictine did beat the #2 and #3 teams in the CCIW, though I'm not real sure how good IWU is. They have another test at NCC before Christmas. After that, they could run the table.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 17, 2015, 03:37:31 PM
If they go on to beat NCC and Carthage, I'm going to wager that will be the first time in history that a non-CCIW school beat five CCIW schools in the same season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2015, 02:38:15 PM
Well, Benedictine did beat the preseason #2 and #3 teams in the CCIW, though I'm not real sure how good IWU is. They have another test at NCC before Christmas. After that, they could run the table.

FIFY, Tom. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2015, 09:14:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 17, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2015, 02:38:15 PM
Well, Benedictine did beat the preseason #2 and #3 teams in the CCIW, though I'm not real sure how good IWU is. They have another test at NCC before Christmas. After that, they could run the table.

FIFY, Tom. ;)

Of all people, Greg. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 22, 2015, 11:36:06 PM
Monday 11/14
Dominican 83 Knox 75 (nc) (sorry, Greek Tragedy ;D)

Tuesday 11/15
Lakeland 114 Concordia Chicago 91

Wednesday
#7 Benedictine 90 (ARV) Aurora 62

Thursday
Lakeland 59 Northland 55 (nc)
MSOE 84 Maranatha 45 (nc)

Saturday
#7 Benedictine 83 Marian 61
Concordia Chicago 84 Edgewood 79
Rockford 88 Wisconsin Lutheran 62
Maryville 103 (ARV) Aurora 94 (nc)

Sunday
(ARV) Salisbury 50 Concordia Wisconsin 49 (nc)
#20 UW-Whitewater 107 Concordia Chicago 84 (nc)
(ARV) Aurora 107 Rhodes 95 (nc)

Monday
Concordia Wisconsin 74 Randolph 51 (nc)

Tuesday
#19 UW-Stevens Point 82 Edgewood 66 (nc)
#7 Benedictine 75 (ARV) North Central 73 (nc)

Benedictine keeps on rolling, as Harvey converts on their final offensive possession to down North Central after destroying their fellow defending co-champs the previous week. (That's now the #6 ranked team and two other teams who are receiving votes, all on the road.) Also, the 114 points for Lakeland last week was the Muskies' highest scoring output in over 20 years.

Standings (through the break)
1. #7 Benedictine 6-0 (10-0)
2. (ARV) Aurora 4-2 (7-3)
2. Rockford 4-2 (7-3)
2. Concordia Wisconsin 4-2 (6-3)
5. Lakeland 3-2 (6-3)
5. Concordia Chicago 3-2 (3-4)
7. MSOE 2-2 (4-4)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 2-3 (3-6)
9. Marian 1-5 (4-6)
9. Edgewood 1-5 (1-8)
11. Dominican 0-5 (1-6)

And a Merry Christmas to all. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 23, 2015, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on December 22, 2015, 11:36:06 PM
Monday 11/14
Dominican 83 Knox 75 (nc) (sorry, Greek Tragedy ;D)

No you're not.  ;D  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 28, 2015, 09:26:52 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 23, 2015, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on December 22, 2015, 11:36:06 PM
Monday 11/14
Dominican 83 Knox 75 (nc) (sorry, Greek Tragedy ;D)

No you're not.  ;D  >:(
No, I'm not anymore, not after you rejected my sincere, heartfelt apology. :P ;D

Anyways, back at it tomorrow, with a lot of teams playing tomorrow or Wednesday to get tuned up for the resumption of conference play on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 31, 2015, 11:01:40 AM
Benedictine University - 2015-16 CCIW Champions!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 31, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on December 31, 2015, 11:01:40 AM
Benedictine University - 2015-16 CCIW Champions!

Only if they meet and beat Augie in the tourney. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on December 31, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
Let's see if anyone in the CCIW besides Augie starts out 5-0 in conference play.

The Eagles look very solid this year...especially if the big guy can figure out the ref's and stay in the game.  He was really stupid last night a couple of times.  If only he would stay underneath and collect rebounds, they'd be better than solid, they'd be really good.  They have enough outside shooting without him roaming out there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2016, 03:05:31 PM
CUC/MSOE about to get underway:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2016, 03:21:09 PM
MSOE 28, CUC 8  11 min left 1st half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2016, 03:25:15 PM
Shifted to Benedictine/CUW   Falcons up 25-17 at the moment
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2016, 03:36:46 PM
Benedictine 45, CUW 36  Half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 02, 2016, 04:31:30 PM
Benedictine 83, CUW 70  Final
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 03, 2016, 03:30:43 PM
Tuesday
#6 Elmhurst 99 Concordia Chicago 52 (nc)
Colorado College 85 Dominican 71 (nc)
Carroll 58 Edgewood 56 (nc)

Wednesday
Wartburg 81 Dominican 71 (nc)
Lakeland 79 Finlandia 71 (nc)
#1 Augustana 79 Edgewood 44 (nc)
Ripon 90 Marian 74 (nc)
MSOE 89 (ARV) Illinois Wesleyan 69 (nc)
#7 Benedictine 82 Carthage 78 (nc)

Saturday
#7 Benedictine 83 Concordia Wisconsin 70
(ARV) Aurora 86 Wisconsin Lutheran 81
MSOE 89 Concordia Chicago 52
Lakeland 98 Rockford 89

The Muskies and Raiders move into 3rd and 4th respectively on the back of their recent success. One thing working against Concordia Wisconsin, who is now 4-3 in the conference, is that while they've lost to the current top 3 in the standings, all three of those were at home and they'll have to go to each of Benedictine, Aurora and Lakeland yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 10, 2016, 12:50:49 PM
#6 Benedictine 81
Wisconsin Lutheran 67

Concordia Chicago 88
Marian 74

Aurora 105
MSOE 99

Lakeland 89
Dominican 72

Rockford 89
Edgewood 71

NACC Standings

1. #6 Benedictine 14-0 (9-0)
2. Aurora 10-3 (6-2)
3. Rockford 9-4 (6-3)
4. Lakeland 9-4 (5-3)
5. MSOE 7-5 (4-3)
6. Concordia Wisconsin 6-6 (4-4)
7. Concordia Chicago 4-7 (4-4)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 4-8 (3-5)
9. Marian 5-8 (2-6)
10. Edgewood 1-12 (1-7)
11. Dominican 1-10 (0-7)

Rockford is turning out to be a nice surprise this season. Positions 4-8 are only separated by 2 games while Benedictine still cruises atop the NACC after handling WLC yesterday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 11, 2016, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on January 10, 2016, 12:50:49 PM
Positions 4-8 are only separated by 2 games while Benedictine still cruises atop the NACC after handling WLC yesterday.
It feels like one of the pursuers would need to win out to make a run at Benedictine, and I don't think any of them are good enough to avoid dropping games to each other.

Coming up this week in that second group, we've got Aurora at Rockford tomorrow night with second place on the line, while Lakeland travels to MSOE on Thursday and then hosts the Regents on Saturday. (Three full rounds of conference play this week - Benedictine, Rockford and Edgewood get the byes in that order.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 12, 2016, 10:59:56 PM
Tuesday
Wisconsin Lutheran 88 Lakeland 84
Concordia Wisconsin 94 Edgewood 54
Marian 100 MSOE 96 (OT)
Aurora 102 Rockford 98
Dominican 92 Concordia Chicago 82
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 14, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
Thursday
Aurora 96 Dominican 79
Wisconsin Lutheran 84 Concordia Wisconsin 82
#5 Benedictine 103 Concordia Chicago 67
MSOE 74 Lakeland 72
Marian 74 Edgewood 58

It's going to be a fun and nail-biting second half of the season. The Benedictine freight train keeps on rolling, Aurora has opened up ground on the pack as well, but the next seven teams after them (of which only four can go to the NACC Tournament) are all separated by only two games with the conference season (basically) halfway over.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 14, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Tough loss for my Muskies. Up the entire game and leading by 6 with 1:08 to play and they fail to score the rest of the way. A few turnovers and a few missed free throws, assuming front ends of 1 and 1s.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 17, 2016, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 14, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Tough loss for my Muskies. Up the entire game and leading by 6 with 1:08 to play and they fail to score the rest of the way. A few turnovers and a few missed free throws, assuming front ends of 1 and 1s.
Yes, I couldn't have it said it better myself. This conference is too closely bunched to let games slip away like that. ... Wait, you mean I'm not the only Lakeland fan on here? Sweet! :)

Anyways,

Saturday
#5 Benedictine 76 Concordia Wisconsin 67
Aurora 102 Wisconsin Lutheran 75
MSOE 78 Concordia Chicago 67
Marian 87 Dominican 84
Lakeland 100 Rockford 92

CUW gave Benedictine a scare at the Rice Center, but the Eagles held them to 21 percent shooting in the second half to deny the upset bid and remain unbeaten.

NACC Standings
1. #5 Benedictine 11-0 (16-0)
2. Aurora 9-2 (13-3)
3. MSOE 6-4 (9-6)
4. Lakeland 6-5 (10-6)
4. Rockford 6-5 (9-6)
6. Marian 5-6 (8-8)
6. Concordia Wisconsin 5-6 (7-8)
6. Wisconsin Lutheran 5-6 (6-9)
9. Concordia Chicago 4-7 (4-10)
10. Dominican 1-9 (2-12)
10. Edgewood 1-9 (1-14)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 18, 2016, 07:06:10 PM
I grew up in Stevens Point, so I follow rhe Pointers and the WIAC. I do check up on my Muskies on a regular basis, though! After the week's results, I was surprised they beat Rockford.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on January 22, 2016, 02:22:18 PM
Too bad there aren't any regular or frequent posters in the NACC to get excited about the present National powerhouse, Benedictine.  I guess it has been much too long, if ever, that there was any excitement in that Conference other than an occasional Aurora team (Buckley, Walton) to hold much interest.  Is that a correct assumption? Still, it's good for suburban Chicago basketball and hopefully will provide an additional very decent option for high school ballers.  With the hiring of a Wheaton football coach as head football coach that program may also start to attract attention.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2016, 05:13:07 PM
Quote from: bbfan44 on January 22, 2016, 02:22:18 PMI guess it has been much too long, if ever, that there was any excitement in that Conference other than an occasional Aurora team (Buckley, Walton) to hold much interest.  Is that a correct assumption?

Some of us are old enough to remember the great Benedictine team of 1990-91, back when the school was still called Illinois Benedictine College. That team, which featured Jason Forrestal, Mike Geist, John Gianetti, Jim O'Boye, and Dan Lenert, went 23-6 and reached the Elite Eight of the D3 tourney before being blasted by eventual national champion UW-Platteville.

That 1990-91 Bennies outfit under Tony LaScala is still the gold standard for NACC teams, even though the school was at that time under the aegis of the Northern Illinois Intercollegiate Conference, one of the two predecessor leagues of the NACC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on January 22, 2016, 06:02:09 PM
Greg, is that the same O'Boye who is now a ref in the CCIW?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2016, 06:12:33 PM
Yep. His dad, who has the same name, is a local TV producer and the long-time organizer of the premier high-school girls basketball tourney in Chicagoland, the McDonald's Shootout.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 23, 2016, 12:04:18 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2016, 05:13:07 PM
Quote from: bbfan44 on January 22, 2016, 02:22:18 PMI guess it has been much too long, if ever, that there was any excitement in that Conference other than an occasional Aurora team (Buckley, Walton) to hold much interest.  Is that a correct assumption?

Some of us are old enough to remember the great Benedictine team of 1990-91, back when the school was still called Illinois Benedictine College. That team, which featured Jason Forrestal, Mike Geist, John Gianetti, Jim O'Boye, and Dan Lenert, went 23-6 and reached the Elite Eight of the D3 tourney before being blasted by eventual national champion UW-Platteville.

That 1990-91 Bennies outfit under Tony LaScala is still the gold standard for NACC teams, even though the school was at that time under the aegis of the Northern Illinois Intercollegiate Conference, one of the two predecessor leagues of the NACC.
Out of curiosity, I went and checked. The NACC members only have four combined NCAA Tournament wins between them at this point - two from them, and first round victories for Aurora (2003) and Edgewood (2012). Hopefully this year's Benedictine team can work on that total.

Wednesday
Concordia Wisconsin 86 MSOE 64
Rockford 103 Concordia Chicago 88
#4 Benedictine 91 Dominican 67
Marian 72 Lakeland 70 (OT)
Edgewood 83 Wisconsin Lutheran 79

The Sabres pick up their third overtime win, and second over the Muskies, in 15 days. (Incidentally, that's why, when you're up by three with 10 seconds left, you don't foul a guy who's shooting a 3.) Also, the league leaders tie a 50 year old school record with their 17th straight win; they'll look to break it tomorrow afternoon at MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 24, 2016, 12:52:03 AM
Saturday
Aurora 77 Marian 69
Dominican 75 Edgewood 68
#4 Benedictine 67 MSOE 52
Lakeland 97 Concordia Chicago 64
Concordia Wisconsin 86 Rockford 74
Wisconsin Lutheran 66 Maranatha 49 (nc)

Nice to see the Muskies finally have one that isn't right down to the wire.

NACC Standings
1. #4 Benedictine 13-0 (18-0)
2. Aurora 10-2 (14-3)
3. Lakeland 7-6 (11-7)
3. Rockford 7-6 (10-7)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 7-6 (9-8)
6. MSOE 6-6 (9-8)
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7. Marian 6-7 (9-9)
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 5-7 (7-10)
9. Concordia Chicago 4-9 (4-12)
10. Dominican 2-10 (3-13)
10. Edgewood 2-10 (2-15)

The first round byes are all but decided, but only 1 1/2 games currently separating six teams battling for four First Round spots. This week among that group, Lakeland hosts CUW and Marian travels to Wisconsin Lutheran on Tuesday, while Rockford plays host to MSOE on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 24, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
Whatever happened to Concordia - Chicago's Kylan Anderson? He was a complete stud for the 1st 10 games or so and now he isn't even on the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 25, 2016, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 24, 2016, 03:58:41 PM
Whatever happened to Concordia - Chicago's Kylan Anderson? He was a complete stud for the 1st 10 games or so and now he isn't even on the roster.
I believe he became ineligible at semester, but I don't know for a fact.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 25, 2016, 07:35:11 PM
In this week's Top 25 poll, Benedictine improves to #3 following Elmhurst's loss to North Central, while Aurora is once again also receiving votes on the strength of an eight-game winning streak.

Those two teams meet again February 3 in Aurora, and it's one the Spartans need to have to make something of the conference title race.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 28, 2016, 11:46:39 PM
Tuesday
Wisconsin Lutheran 76 Marian 74
(ARV) Aurora 100 Concordia Chicago 82
#3 Benedictine 95 Rockford 72
MSOE 97 Edgewood 73
Concordia Wisconsin 87 Lakeland 74
Dominican 71 Maranatha 68 (nc)

Benedictine has already clinched at least a first round bye (No. 2) in the conference tournament, and it's not even February yet! Behind them, CUW probably has the most favorable schedule to finish inside the revolving door of the 3rd spot, and then who knows after that?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 30, 2016, 11:06:28 PM
(ARV) Aurora 103 Edgewood 90
#3 Benedictine 87 Lakeland 62
MSOE 75 Rockford 60
Wisconsin Lutheran 76 Dominican 73 (Another game winning buzzer-beater for the Warriors)

CIT Tournament (Aka the Missouri Synod Tournament)

Consolation: Concordia-Ann Arbor 81 Concordia Chicago 66
Championship: Concordia-Nebraska 86 Concordia Wisconsin 85 (Falcons fall victim to another buzzer-beater)

NAIA Concordias carried the day against the NCAA Concordias.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 01, 2016, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on January 30, 2016, 11:06:28 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran 76 Dominican 73 (Another game winning buzzer-beater for the Warriors)
And that could make all the difference with the standings bunched as tightly as they are.

NACC Standings - end of January
1. #3 Benedictine 15-0 (20-0) (y)
2. (ARV) Aurora 12-2 (16-3) (x)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 9-6 (11-9)
4. MSOE 8-6 (11-8)
5. Wisconsin Lutheran 7-7 (9-10)
6. Lakeland 7-8 (11-9)
---
6. Rockford 7-8 (10-9)
8. Marian 6-8 (9-10)
9. Concordia Chicago 4-11 (4-15)
10. Dominican 2-11 (4-14)
11. Edgewood 2-12 (2-17)
(x) Clinched NACC Tournament berth; (y) and also a 1st round bye

A big slate of games on Wednesday, highlighted by the NACC's game of the season (and perhaps of ever) as Aurora hosts Benedictine, looking to avenge a December drubbing at the Rice Center, keep their conference title hopes alive, and perhaps stake a claim for a Top 25 spot of their own. But as we all know, to do what they themselves and 19 others have failed to do will be far easier said than done.

Also a couple important games in the battle for conference tournament berths, as Concordia Wisconsin hosts Marian, while Wisconsin Lutheran travels across town to take on MSOE.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509

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Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 03, 2016, 10:58:08 PM
Wednesday
#3 Benedictine 93 (ARV) Aurora 70
Lakeland 87 Edgewood 83 (OT)
Rockford 89 Dominican 77
Concordia Wisconsin 73 Marian 72
Wisconsin Lutheran 73 MSOE 70

Not one but two game winning shots in the NACC tonight, as Trevor Krizenesky hits a runner at the final buzzer for CUW, while Tanner Schieve of Wisconsin Lutheran makes a game winning 3 for the second game in a row! Positions 4 through 7 are separated by only a half game now, with MSOE and WLC at 8-7 and Lakeland and Rockford at 8-8.

There is far less drama on top, as it's over all but mathematically now, and that will be coming soon. In fact, the (southern) Eagles can clinch a share of the title and the No. 1 conference tourney seed as soon as Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 04, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (WBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
Website: www.d3hoopsville.com
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/d3hoopsville

And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509

Also, if you know any advertisers interested in promoting their company or products on the show, send them our way: hoopsville@d3hoops.com

Thanks!

Klay coaches the Women. Skip Noon still coaches the men.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 05, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
Yep - it was a typo that should have read WBB. But considering the point in time it was discovered, there was absolutely NO time to go back and fix all the posts on these boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 06, 2016, 11:21:40 AM
No biggie Dave. Always enjoy listening to your show.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 07, 2016, 01:53:42 PM
Saturday
#3 Benedictine 86 Wisconsin Lutheran 62
Marian 91 Concordia Chicago 66
Lakeland 86 Dominican 57
Rockford 76 Edgewood 65
(ARV) Aurora 87 MSOE 79

Really no surprises here.

NACC Standings - as of February 7
1. #3 Benedictine 17-0 (22-0) (c)
2. (ARV) Aurora 13-3 (17-4) (x)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 10-6 (12-9)
4. Lakeland 9-8 (13-9)
4. Rockford 9-8 (12-9)
6. Wisconsin Lutheran 8-8 (10-11)
---
6. MSOE 8-8 (11-10)
8. Marian 7-9 (10-11)
9. Concordia Chicago 4-12 (5-16)
10. Dominican 2-13 (4-16) (e)
11. Edgewood 2-14 (2-19) (e)
(c) Clinched at least a share of the NACC title and No. 1 seed; (x) clinched NACC Tournament berth; (e) eliminated from postseason contention

The reduction to a six team conference tournament this year has certainly raised the drama in the middle of the standings; instead of being battles for seeding, games like Lakeland hosting MSOE and Wisconsin Lutheran traveling to Concordia Wisconsin, both of which happen Tuesday night, take on the utmost importance.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 09, 2016, 10:59:49 PM
Tuesday
Concordia Wisconsin 88 Wisconsin Lutheran 80
(ARV) Aurora 99 Dominican 79
#2 Benedictine 111 Concordia Chicago 59
Edgewood 87 Marian 85
MSOE 77 Lakeland 70
Rockford 98 Illinois Tech 73 (nc)

With their win tonight, the Benedictine Eagles are officially the 2015-16 NACC Champions! It's their second consecutive title, having shared the championship with Aurora last season. Concordia Wisconsin also clinched a conference tournament berth with their win.

And speaking of teams named the Eagles, Edgewood picks up their 3rd win of the season, shocking Marian on a Spencer Barnes 30 footer at the final buzzer and dealing a crushing blow to the Sabres' postseason hopes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 12:14:37 AM
Well, let's be fair. They are the regular season champions. The actual champs are crowned as the end of the tournament and given an AQ to get into said tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2016, 12:21:50 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 12:14:37 AM
Well, let's be fair. They are the regular season champions. The actual champs are crowned as the end of the tournament and given an AQ to get into said tournament.

Not necessarily true.  I don't know about the NACC, but in many conferences the regular season champion is THE champion, while the tourney champion is indeed given the AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:08:56 AM
Fine... though, in the eyes of the NCAA - the AQ is the conference champion and addressed as such.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2016, 09:31:00 AM
In the WIAC the regular season champion is the conference champion and the conference tournament champion is referred to as such.  Why the automatic bid goes to a team that wins two (or three) games rather than the one that prevailed over fourteen (previously sixteen) games is another matter.  I chalk that up to the fact that there are more have not than haves.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on February 10, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 10, 2016, 09:31:00 AM
In the WIAC the regular season champion is the conference champion and the conference tournament champion is referred to as such.  Why the automatic bid goes to a team that wins two (or three) games rather than the one that prevailed over fourteen (previously sixteen) games is another matter.  I chalk that up to the fact that there are more have not than haves.

So the Warhawks have a chance......... ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 10, 2016, 10:13:42 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:08:56 AM
Fine... though, in the eyes of the NCAA - the AQ is the conference champion and addressed as such.
Not really Dave. The NCAA doesn't declare anyone a conference champion. All they ask is "Who is your automatic qualifier?" In the selection show the NCAA refers to the "automatic qualifier out of the _______ conference." The regular season champion IS the conference champion in the WIAC and the NACC and most other leagues.

So if you want to say the AQ is actually more important, you could argue that, but you can't argue that they are the "actual" champion. The conference sets the rules and they've deemed it to be the regular season champion.

http://naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20160210ea5hzz
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on February 11, 2016, 05:15:31 PM
What a pity there are no big time Benedictine fans that post in this room to talk about the great year the team is having.

I hope they win out, win the Conference Tournament and host some NCAA games.  It's a lot easier to get to Lisle than to Rock Island !  (for me, a CCIW follower)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 12, 2016, 12:07:45 AM
Quote from: bbfan44 on February 11, 2016, 05:15:31 PM
What a pity there are no big time Benedictine fans that post in this room to talk about the great year the team is having.

I hope they win out, win the Conference Tournament and host some NCAA games.  It's a lot easier to get to Lisle than to Rock Island !  (for me, a CCIW follower)
And they very well might. Although I've only seen them once so far (as the return meeting isn't until the 20th), what really jumped out at me is how balanced they are. There's no one offensive player you can focus on - which is a problem, because they all can beat you - and there's no one player you can pick on on the defensive end.

Thursday
Marian 80 Dominican 68

This is probably a good time to brush up on your NACC tiebreaker criteria, with five teams separated by 1 1/2 games for the final three spots in the NACC Tournament. Rockford hosting Marian is the big one in that regard on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 12, 2016, 01:30:46 PM
I don't think any NACC team beats Benedictine and they go into the NCAA Tournament at 27-0. Since they would presumably remain the #1 Central Region team, they'd almost certainly host the first two rounds. I could imagine a second round rematch of Benedictine and Elmhurst in the NCAA Tournament. Frankly even if they did lose to a NACC team, I still think they host a 1st/2nd round pod.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 12, 2016, 01:30:46 PM
I don't think any NACC team beats Benedictine and they go into the NCAA Tournament at 27-0. Since they would presumably remain the #1 Central Region team, they'd almost certainly host the first two rounds. I could imagine a second round rematch of Benedictine and Elmhurst in the NCAA Tournament. Frankly even if they did lose to a NACC team, I still think they host a 1st/2nd round pod.

They certainly could go in as the number one or number two... there are other items like vRRO that will come out that could help or hurt Benedictine (compared to other teams). So let's see where they get slotted next week.

As for second round match-up... I would be shocked if they saw Elmhurst. There are so many good teams in the Central and Great Lakes regions that it isn't that hard to move many of these teams away from each other in first weekend. Elmhurst is a prime candidate to be sent up towards St. Thomas or even eastward into the Great Lakes. The committee really tries to avoid common region match-ups if they can... and considering these two teams already faced off this season, I suspect they will try and avoid a first weekend match up.

As for whether they lose... that might actually cost them a first weekend hosting opportunity. However, there are so many factors in place that I think it is really hard to gauge that off just the first week's rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 14, 2016, 01:18:49 AM
Saturday
Concordia Wisconsin 120 (ARV) Aurora 110
Wisconsin Lutheran 82 Concordia Chicago 70
#2 Benedictine 88 Edgewood 54
Dominican 97 MSOE 90
Marian 106 Rockford 100 (OT)

Certainly not lacking on offense on this day...or, really, any other. as our conference had five teams in the top 50 nationally in scoring in the latest NCAA report. You'd also have to assume that loss will dent the Spartans' chances of picking up an at-large bid.

NACC Standings (one week to go)
1. #2 Benedictine 19-0 (24-0) (c)
2. Aurora 14-4 (18-5) (x)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 12-6 (14-9) (x)
4. Wisconsin Lutheran 9-9 (11-12) - 2/17 vs LC, 2-20 vs DU
4. MSOE 9-9 (12-11) - 2/17 vs MU, 2/20 vs RU
4. Lakeland 9-9 (13-10) - 2/17 @ WLC, 2/20 vs BU
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4. Rockford 9-9 (13-10) - 2/17 @ AU, 2/20 @ MSOE
8. Marian 9-10 (12-12) - 2/17 @ MSOE
9. Concordia Chicago 4-14 (5-18) (e)
10. Edgewood 3-15 (3-20) (e)
10. Dominican 3-15 (5-18) (e)
(c) NACC regular season champions and No. 1 seed; (x) clinched NACC Tournament berth; (e) eliminated

I think I have the teams at 9-9 sorted in order of tiebreakers as it would currently stand, but don't quote me on that. ;D This is going to be quite a wild finish to the regular season, that's for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 18, 2016, 07:59:52 PM
Wednesday
Aurora 112 Rockford 92
Marian 67 MSOE 62
Wisconsin Lutheran 77 Lakeland 74
Concordia Chicago 90 Dominican 85
Concordia Wisconsin 74 Edgewood 70

The Spartans clinch the No. 2 seed in the NACC Tourney and a first round bye with their win, putting Concordia Wisconsin at No. 3. Wisconsin Lutheran and Marian also clinched berths with their win; the Warriors can claim the No. 4 seed with a win over Dominican on Saturday (which would give them their first postseason home game since 2008 if I read it right) while the Sabres won their last three to get in.

That leaves one berth unaccounted for going into Saturday, which will likely go to the winner of the Rockford at MSOE game on Saturday; the Raiders won the first meeting 75-60 three weeks ago. In fact, the only way it won't is that if the Regents win, Lakeland could grab the spot if they upset Benedictine and Wisconsin Lutheran also wins. (So I'm not holding my breath, but strange things have been known to happen in college basketball. I'm just saying.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 19, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
In the 1st year of the NACC (maybe 2nd, I'm going off memory), I believe Lakeland came into the conference tourney as the 6th seed and then proceeded to beat the top 3 seeds, all on the road, to claim the conference tourney championship...of course, that year the NACC didn't get an AQ. Go figure.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 19, 2016, 11:47:22 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 19, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
In the 1st year of the NACC (maybe 2nd, I'm going off memory), I believe Lakeland came into the conference tourney as the 6th seed and then proceeded to beat the top 3 seeds, all on the road, to claim the conference tourney championship...of course, that year the NACC didn't get an AQ. Go figure.

That was 2008, the second year of the league. This bracket omits it, but all three of those wins were in overtime. Probably the best conference tournament run that no one (or few) has ever heard of.

http://naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2007-08/2008-nac-mbkb.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 22, 2016, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 19, 2016, 11:34:35 AM
In the 1st year of the NACC (maybe 2nd, I'm going off memory), I believe Lakeland came into the conference tourney as the 6th seed and then proceeded to beat the top 3 seeds, all on the road, to claim the conference tourney championship...of course, that year the NACC didn't get an AQ. Go figure.
And we haven't gone since then either. Now I'm sad. :(

Saturday
Concordia Wisconsin 127 Concordia Chicago 80
Wisconsin Lutheran 86 Dominican 79
Aurora 96 Edgewood 82
MSOE 80 Rockford 66
#2 Benedictine 100 Lakeland 76

It's the first perfect regular season in NACC men's basketball history! And the second team to run the table in conference play, after Concordia Wisconsin who went 16-0 back in the 2010-11 season.

Final NACC Standings
1. #2 Benedictine 20-0 (25-0)
2. Aurora 16-4 (20-5)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 14-6 (16-9)
4. Wisconsin Lutheran 11-9 (13-12)
5. Marian 10-10 (13-12)
6. MSOE 10-10 (13-12)
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7. Lakeland 9-11 (13-12)
7. Rockford 9-11 (13-12)
9. Concordia Chicago 5-15 (6-19)
10. Dominican 3-17 (5-20)
10. Edgewood 3-17 (3-22)

So that gives us (6) MSOE at (3) Concordia Wisconsin and (5) Marian at (4) Wisconsin Lutheran in the first round of the NACC Tournament on Wednesday night. As noted previously, this will be the Warriors' first postseason home game in eight years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:20:35 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 26, 2016, 01:41:37 PM
NACC First Round
(5) Marian 71 (4) Wisconsin Lutheran 65
(6) MSOE 95 (3) Concordia Wisconsin 79

Has to be a disappointing way for the Falcons to end their season after reaching the NCAA Tournament last year. Semifinals are tonight, with (5) Marian at (1) #2 Benedictine as well as (6) MSOE at (2) Aurora.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 26, 2016, 10:36:31 PM
NACC Semifinals
(1) #2 Benedictine 91 (5) Marian 82
(6) MSOE 100 (2) Aurora 96

I daresay Austin Stueck could not have picked a better time to set a new MSOE school record with 10 threes. He had 42 points in total, and the Raiders needed every one of them as they dealt a sharp blow to Aurora's chances of an at large bid. On the other end of the bracket, the Sabres kept the pressure on, getting with four points in the final minute, but were ultimately turned away like so many others before them.

So that leaves (6) MSOE at (1) #2 Benedictine in the NACC Tournament Final on Sunday. Both regular season meetings went to Eagles (obviously), 84-58 in Lisle on December 9 and 67-52 in Milwaukee on January 23, with Benedictine holding the Raiders below 35 percent shooting in both matchups.

Interestingly, just one page after Lakeland's 2008 conference tourney run was discussed, MSOE is trying to repeat the Muskies' feat of knocking off the top three seeds in order. But to finish the job, they'll have to come at the kings, and they best not miss...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on February 27, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
MSOE playing well.  Looking forward to a good game on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 28, 2016, 05:12:52 PM
NACC Final
(1) #2 Benedictine 83 (6) MSOE 57

The Eagles shut down the Raiders offense for the third time in as many meetings this year to become the 2016 NACC Tournament Champions! Looking at the box score, neither team was able to get it going from long range, but Benedictine dominated inside (52 points in the paint) while holding MSOE to 30 percent from the floor. Michael Blaszczyk led the Eagles with 19 points, while Tahron Harvey had 17 points and 9 rebounds, and Luke Johnson had 15 and 13. For MSOE, Austin Stueck had a game-high 22 and 7 boards; he finishes a brilliant career with 1,987 points.

Benedictine is headed back to the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2011, and they do so at 27-0, joining Lancaster Bible College as the first teams to enter the tourney undefeated in seven years, per the front page.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on February 28, 2016, 05:30:26 PM
Congratulations to the Benedictine Eagles.  Quite a year, quite an accomplishment.  Good luck in the big dance.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 29, 2016, 09:06:19 AM
Projections done by the folks here on D3hoops has BU getting a first round awaiting the winner of the Hardin-Simmons/Texas Lutheran winner.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 29, 2016, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 29, 2016, 09:06:19 AM
Projections done by the folks here on D3hoops has BU getting a first round awaiting the winner of the Hardin-Simmons/Texas Lutheran winner.
And that is in fact what happened!

Should they get past that second round matchup, it would most likely be #10 Ohio Wesleyan in the Sweet Sixteen. After that, possible Elite Eight opponents in a showdown for The BeltTM would include pod hosts #8 St. Norbert and #12 John Carroll, #11 North Central, and the current The BeltTM holders, #19 Alma.

And the best of luck to them. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 01, 2016, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on February 29, 2016, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 29, 2016, 09:06:19 AM
Projections done by the folks here on D3hoops has BU getting a first round awaiting the winner of the Hardin-Simmons/Texas Lutheran winner.
And that is in fact what happened!

Should they get past that second round matchup, it would most likely be #10 Ohio Wesleyan in the Sweet Sixteen. After that, possible Elite Eight opponents in a showdown for The BeltTM would include pod hosts #8 St. Norbert and #12 John Carroll, #11 North Central, and the current The BeltTM holders, #19 Alma.

And the best of luck to them. :)

And there's no reason to think they wouldn't host the Sectional round as well. Whichever team comes out of the St. Norbert pod will be within the 500-mile bus limit. In the John Carroll pod all but St. Vincent are within 500 miles (and St. Vincent is the lowest seed in that group). So there shouldn't be any reason they won't host again.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 04, 2016, 09:14:43 PM
The 2015-16 NACC individual awards: http://naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2015-16/awards-season

Luke Johnson of Benedictine claimed NACC Player of the Year honors. The 6'9 center averaged 14.0 points per game on 56 percent shooting, leading the NACC at 11.1 rebounds per game. He was also a force on the defensive end, setting a new conference record with 82 blocks (3.0 per game) and counting going into the NCAA Tournament.

His teammate John Dodson was named NACC Defensive Player of the Year. Although lacking any gaudy individual numbers, he anchored the Eagles' efforts in holding opponents to a measly 37 percent from the field, and a 68.1 scoring average that is 6 points lower than any other NACC team. The NACC Freshman of the Year is Collin Kennedy of Wisconsin Lutheran. He was the conference's 4th leading scorer at 19.4 points per game, pairing that with 6.1 rebounds per game. And as you might except, Benedictine's Keith Bunkenburg was named Coach of the Year.

Joining Johnson and Kennedy among the ten members of the All-Conference first team are four-time honoree Austin Stueck of MSOE; second-time picks Michael Blaszcyck (BU), Josh Creed (Marian), Tyler Hall (Aurora), and Eric Kittel (Concordia Wisconsin); and newcomers Tahron Harvey (BU), Nick Kladis (AU) and Michael Murray (Rockford).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 07:56:29 PM
HSU-Benedictine up shortly:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 08:14:56 PM
Benedictine 23, HSU 13  11:03 left 1st half:
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Benedictine 38, HSU 21  Half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 09:07:40 PM
Benedictine 54, HSU 41  Approx  12 min left 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 09:20:30 PM
Benedictine 72, HSU 52  Some 6 1/2 minutes left 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2016, 09:30:14 PM
Congratulations Eagles. Good luck in the Tourney the west of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 09:38:43 PM
Benedictine's win is the second NCAA tournament win for a NACC men's basketball team in the history of that conference. (Edgewood got the other one, in the 2011-12 tournament, beating UW-River Falls in the opening round, before being knocked off by Wheaton, IL)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 05, 2016, 11:19:46 PM
The Eagles are the first current NACC member to get this far since they themselves reached the Elite Eight in 1991, and are the last undefeated team in the country this season.

They will play 10th ranked Ohio Wesleyan next weekend in the Sweet Sixteen. And best of luck as they do.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 05, 2016, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on March 05, 2016, 11:19:46 PM
The Eagles are the first current NACC member to get this far since they themselves reached the Elite Eight in 1991, and are the last undefeated team in the country this season.

They will play 10th ranked Ohio Wesleyan next weekend in the Sweet Sixteen. And best of luck as they do.

Ben U's interior play just overwhelmed HSU. Plus, I don't think they were used to getting whether there that were as physical or disciplined.

HSU just jacked a bunch of shots, especially early. They hit their share in the second half but got decimated in the boards. I think they were used to chucking and going to get the ball... But you won't get that much agsinst Benedictine.

HSU went away from the press and the pressure that they had a bit of success on... But it seemed more gimmicky than substantive. A team who is patient and cuts to the open areas can easily beat it (which BU did).

I was expecting more run and gun from HSU based on their scores... But BU basically shut down the run and HSU looked fairly lost.

Finally, Johnson made #40 look pedestrian. 40 came in leading all divisions in shot blocking and wasn't credited with a single block. Johnson had 4, to go with 20 pts and 12 boards.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 11, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
Benedictine does it again!--97-84 over Ohio Wesleyan.

Next up:  Alma.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 11, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
Benedictine does it again!--97-84 over Ohio Wesleyan.

Next up:  Alma.

Setting up a real quandary for me.  Two Cinderella teams, one from my birth home state, one from my adopted home state. ::)

Both are having by far their best season ever.  Together they are 8-1 against my CCIW.

May the best team win, and NO injuries!  And to the winner, keep winning. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on March 12, 2016, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 11, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
Benedictine does it again!--97-84 over Ohio Wesleyan.

Next up:  Alma.

Setting up a real quandary for me.  Two Cinderella teams, one from my birth home state, one from my adopted home state. ::)

Both are having by far their best season ever.  Together they are 8-1 against my CCIW.

May the best team win, and NO injuries!  And to the winner, keep winning. ;)

Is going 8-1 against the CCIW that big a deal?   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2016, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on March 12, 2016, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 11, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
Benedictine does it again!--97-84 over Ohio Wesleyan.

Next up:  Alma.

Setting up a real quandary for me.  Two Cinderella teams, one from my birth home state, one from my adopted home state. ::)

Both are having by far their best season ever.  Together they are 8-1 against my CCIW.

May the best team win, and NO injuries!  And to the winner, keep winning. ;)

Is going 8-1 against the CCIW that big a deal?   :o

Well, without even looking it up, I can pretty well guarantee that Oshkosh and Lawrence have never done it. 8-)

Actually, I kinda doubt that ANY two teams have ever done that in a single season. :o

(But, mainly of course, that is why I have such a rabid, but neutral, interest in the game.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on March 12, 2016, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2016, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on March 12, 2016, 06:52:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 11, 2016, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 11, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
Benedictine does it again!--97-84 over Ohio Wesleyan.

Next up:  Alma.

Setting up a real quandary for me.  Two Cinderella teams, one from my birth home state, one from my adopted home state. ::)

Both are having by far their best season ever.  Together they are 8-1 against my CCIW.

May the best team win, and NO injuries!  And to the winner, keep winning. ;)

Is going 8-1 against the CCIW that big a deal?   :o

Well, without even looking it up, I can pretty well guarantee that Oshkosh and Lawrence have never done it. 8-)

Actually, I kinda doubt that ANY two teams have ever done that in a single season. :o

(But, mainly of course, that is why I have such a rabid, but neutral, interest in the game.)

You guys take all this too seriously. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 12, 2016, 09:32:59 PM
Final:  Benedictine 93, Alma 73
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 13, 2016, 03:21:33 AM
Benedictine post game press conference is posted in our Elite Eight recap.

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2016/elite-8-wrapup
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on March 13, 2016, 09:45:53 AM
What will the Nathcon schools do with all the NCAA tournament proceeds that they'll share for the first time, now that IB has gotten them the gold?  Those CCIW guys light their cigars with it.  ;D 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 14, 2016, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on March 13, 2016, 09:45:53 AM
What will the Nathcon schools do with all the NCAA tournament proceeds that they'll share for the first time, now that IB has gotten them the gold?  Those CCIW guys light their cigars with it.  ;D
Teams might be able to order the Deluxe sandwiches at Subway next season!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 14, 2016, 11:41:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 14, 2016, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on March 13, 2016, 09:45:53 AM
What will the Nathcon schools do with all the NCAA tournament proceeds that they'll share for the first time, now that IB has gotten them the gold?  Those CCIW guys light their cigars with it.  ;D
Teams might be able to order the Deluxe sandwiches at Subway next season!
From what I hear, ten of the teams are planning to pool their shares and use them to find out what Benedictine put in their water and steal it. The Eagles will use theirs to cover all of the extra banners they didn't budget for this year, because not even they saw this coming.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 14, 2016, 11:52:01 PM
The NACC had a good showing in the All-Region awards: http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2015-16/central-men

Benedictine claimed the Central Region Co-Player of the Year in forward Luke Johnson, and the region's Coach of the Year in Keith Bunkenburg, each adding those to their conference honors. In addition, guard Tahron Harvey was named third team All-Central Region. MSOE forward Austin Stueck was also named first team All-Central Region, making the NACC the only conference in the region to place more than one player on the first team.

Congratulations to all of them!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 15, 2016, 10:14:41 AM
Yeah, congratulations to everyone. Quite the accomplishment for the NACC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on March 15, 2016, 11:01:02 AM
What a year for Benedictine.  Such a nice balanced team.  Good luck in Salem.  Amherst will be tough.  You've seen their pedigree....they seem to always be in the Elite Eight at minimum and have a hall of fame type coach.  Stick to your game and you'll do fine.  Have fun !
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 18, 2016, 08:28:30 AM
The big day has arrIved!

Benedictine vs. Amherst is the first semifinal today and tips at 4:00PM Central. (St. Thomas vs. Christopher Newport will follow.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 18, 2016, 11:11:24 AM
I'll pick Benedictine to pull out a close one today. I don't think they're your typical first-time finals team that might shrink in the spotlight. Too many veterans for that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 18, 2016, 02:04:32 PM
I think if BU stays out of foul trouble they'll be fine. The balance between their starters is unparalleled, and they have a superlative sixth man.
However, after #6, its like falling into the Grand Canyon. Yes, I know several other players had great games against, I believe it was Alma, but i don't think this type of output is generally going to occur once you get past the 6th man. The odds do seem to favor BU also playing on Sat. However, as bbfan44 said, Amherst is always strong, and is a traditionally very tough nut to crack.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 18, 2016, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 18, 2016, 02:04:32 PM
I think if BU stays out of foul trouble they'll be fine. The balance between their starters is unparalleled, and they have a superlative sixth man.
However, after #6, its like falling into the Grand Canyon. Yes, I know several other players had great games against, I believe it was Alma, but i don't think this type of output is generally going to occur once you get past the 6th man.

I don't think that this is an issue at all. For one thing, Matt Chaltin, Shawn Soelter, and Brayden Olson (the seventh, eighth, and ninth men in the BU rotation that constitute the supposed Grand Canyon) aren't huge minutes guys; they all average ten or eleven minutes per game. Second, scoring is not the only thing by which bench players are measured; in fact, scoring is often not even the primary responsibility of a reserve, who may be more of a defensive or rebounding specialist. Third, just because their ppg averages are miniscule doesn't necessarily mean that they can't score. Chaltin's a 48% trey shooter, Olson's 37% from beyond the arc.

You're waist-deep in the nitpick swamp on this one, Mark. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 18, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
And Point had no problem doing it with 6 guys all year last year. With the recently new format that includes extra media timeouts and then the usual timeouts the teams get, there is plenty of time to rest. Yes, staying out of foul trouble is important.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 18, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
Benedictine does it again, beating Amherst by 3!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 18, 2016, 07:00:17 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 18, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
Benedictine does it again, beating Amherst by 3!

Benedictine (31-0) 63
Amherst (26-6) 60

Not the best shooting game by both teams but Benedictine holds off Amherst late.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: bbfan44 on March 19, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
One more....do it !
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 19, 2016, 08:28:40 PM
Benedictine falls to St. Thomas 82-76 in the National Championship game, ending their campaign with a record of 31-1 and setting a new standard for NACC teams to aspire to. Congratulations on an amazing season!

After the game, forward Luke Johnson was named the d3hoops.com National Player of the Year while Keith Bunkenburg is the National Coach of the Year!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 19, 2016, 08:38:11 PM
Johnson is a beast! Well deserved award. Benedictine players and coaches should be proud. Also, a class act by the coach to appear on the D3hoops/hoopsville postgame show with Pat and Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2016, 08:41:25 PM
Congrats to Benedictine on a fantastic postseason run and a fantastic season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 20, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2016, 08:41:25 PM
Congrats to Benedictine on a fantastic postseason run and a fantastic season.

What he said. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 20, 2016, 10:13:39 AM
I third Greg's post!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 22, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
What a season of Division III basketball and it isn't quite over with yet! The men might have crowned their championship, but the women have one more game to go.

On this episode of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh looks back at the two championship weekends with help from Ryan Scott, Gordon Mann, and Adam Turer. We look at the championship for St. Thomas and the near perfect miss by Benedictine. We also take a look at the two semifinal games in women's basketball and the upcoming championship between St. Thomas and Tufts to be played in Indianapolis.

Dave also talks to Page Moir, head coach for Roanoke, who suddenly announced on Tuesday he is stepping down from the position and looking for something new to challenge him.

You can watch the show in its entirety or listen to the podcast above.

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Page Moir, Roanoke men's coach
- Keith Bunkenburg, No. 2 Benedictine men's coach
- Steve Fritz, St. Thomas athletics director and former men's coach
- John Tauer, No 1. St. Thomas men's coach
- Ryan Scott, D3hoops.com Mid-Atlantic reporter
- Gordon Mann and Adam Turer, women's semifinals report
- Jeff Hans, No. 1 Thomas More women's coach
- Carla Berube, No. 7 Tufts women's coach

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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 31, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
I haven't gone through all any rosters yet, but it may be safe to say Benedictine might be conference favorites next year. They lose National POTY Johnson and Dobson (and 6th man Reamer), but return 3 starters and 3 others that averaged 10+ minutes a game. I'm sure their recruiting will get a nice boost as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 31, 2016, 11:11:52 AM
I've been told by a couple coaches that recruiting usually gets a boost two years down the line, not right away, since students have already decided where to apply before the basketball season is complete. But if I was on the fence about Benedictine, that run would push me in their direction.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 31, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
True enough.  I suppose I unintentionally implied it would help them next year. Anway, speaking of being on the fence, I suppose it could push any player who hasn't decided on a destination towards Benedictine!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 31, 2016, 12:55:35 PM
Well, I took a quick look at the 5 chasing teams which included MSOE and Marian, both of whom finished 10 games back. It's unrealistic to think Benedictine will go 20-0 again, but even if they go 15-5, those two trailing teams also have to improve by 5 games.

Aurora 16-4
They lose 4 starters and they are also the top 4 scorers.

CUW 14-6
They lose 6 of the top 7 guys, but keep #1 scorer Kittel.

WLC 11-9
They keep the #1, 3 and 5 scorers and 3 starters.

MSOE 10-10
They lose 4 starters, but keep 3 of the top 5 scorers

Marian 10-10
They lose 3 starters but keep the top 2 scorers.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on March 31, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2016, 08:41:25 PM
Congrats to Benedictine on a fantastic postseason run and a fantastic season.

Any truth to the rumor that Benedictine is petitioning the CCIW to enter the league  ???  Probably the favorite over Carroll if admitted.  What is the CCIW process for acceptance?  Are they already on double secret probation and who gets to vote besides Sager?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on April 01, 2016, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 31, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
I haven't gone through all any rosters yet, but it may be safe to say Benedictine might be conference favorites next year.

Starting from as far ahead of the rest of the.NACC as they were last year (they only had 2 conference games even decided by single digits!), how could they not be heavy favorites for next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 01, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on March 31, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2016, 08:41:25 PM
Congrats to Benedictine on a fantastic postseason run and a fantastic season.

Any truth to the rumor that Benedictine is petitioning the CCIW to enter the league  ???  Probably the favorite over Carroll if admitted.  What is the CCIW process for acceptance?  Are they already on double secret probation and who gets to vote besides Sager?  ;)

Not sure how serious you're being, but people connected to the NACC that I know haven't heard anything like that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 01, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 31, 2016, 12:55:35 PM
Well, I took a quick look at the 5 chasing teams which included MSOE and Marian, both of whom finished 10 games back. It's unrealistic to think Benedictine will go 20-0 again, but even if they go 15-5, those two trailing teams also have to improve by 5 games.

Aurora 16-4
They lose 4 starters and they are also the top 4 scorers.

The early scuttlebutt is that there's a strong possibility that T.J. Sims, who is leaving Millikin after two spectacular but stormy seasons with the Big Blue, will end up at Aurora for the 2016-17 school year. Sims is a serious talent at the D3 level. He shared the CCIW's Freshman of the Year award two years ago with NPU's Jordan Robinson, as Sims averaged 15.4 ppg and had shooting splits of .500/.471./821 -- which is not too shabby for a guy who's 5'7 in a league where guards are typically four to six inches taller than that. He was named an All-CCIW third-teamer. This past season he averaged 16.8 ppg with .438/.384/.879 shooting splits. He did, however, miss five games due to suspension, as he and MU head coach Matt Nadelhoffer had a difficult relationship (to say the least), which is the likely reason why he was bypassed for the 2015-16 All-CCIW team.

Sims has proven to be a headache from a discipline standpoint, but perhaps James Lancaster would be better suited to handle the tempestuous Sims than Nadelhoffer was. One thing's for sure -- Sims, who is lightning-quick with the ball in his hands and is a very good shooter, will be a standout player in the NACC if he does end up at Aurora. He would definitely boost the Spartans' chances of competing with BU if he's able to keep his act together.

Quote from: Just Bill on April 01, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on March 31, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 19, 2016, 08:41:25 PM
Congrats to Benedictine on a fantastic postseason run and a fantastic season.

Any truth to the rumor that Benedictine is petitioning the CCIW to enter the league  ???  Probably the favorite over Carroll if admitted.  What is the CCIW process for acceptance?  Are they already on double secret probation and who gets to vote besides Sager?  ;)

Not sure how serious you're being, but people connected to the NACC that I know haven't heard anything like that.

Consider the source, Bill.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 01, 2016, 03:46:30 PM
Also consider the date. 'Tis the season for internet pranks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 01, 2016, 04:11:03 PM
I think I accounted for that, didn't I?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 12, 2016, 11:59:48 AM
Lakeland changing its name:
http://fox11online.com/news/local/lakeshore/lakeland-college-to-be-called-lakeland-university

http://lakeland.edu/Lakeland-News/lakeland-college-to-become-lakeland-university-on-july-1

link to new Muskie logo in the school link
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on April 12, 2016, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 12, 2016, 11:59:48 AM
Lakeland changing its name:
http://fox11online.com/news/local/lakeshore/lakeland-college-to-be-called-lakeland-university

http://lakeland.edu/Lakeland-News/lakeland-college-to-become-lakeland-university-on-july-1

link to new Muskie logo in the school link

It will be just like Harvard in 10 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 13, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
When I think "LU", I just think of the University in Appleton.  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on April 13, 2016, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 13, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
When I think "LU", I just think of the University in Appleton.  >:(
It'll take a little getting used to, that's for sure. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on April 13, 2016, 05:13:37 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 13, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
When I think "LU", I just think of the University in Appleton.  >:(

Maybe they will sue Lakeland.....of course they are sort of busy with all the PC racial bias accusations being flaunted in Appleton by their students ala University of Missouri.   
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: John Gleich on April 13, 2016, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 13, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
When I think "LU", I just think of the University in Appleton.  >:(

I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 15, 2016, 11:13:45 AM
Wonder if they took into consideration when naming and coming up with a logo, that a school an hour away also had LU as their initials and LU as their logo. Maybe "U of L" "University of Lakeland" or something similar to that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 15, 2016, 01:06:39 PM
In all the committees and discussions these things involve, it had to have come up. I guess they decided it didn't matter enough to them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 15, 2016, 01:28:24 PM
Probably some of the same people that came up with the Northern Athletics Conference when there already was a NAC. Go figure.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: John Gleich on April 15, 2016, 02:10:59 PM
Acronyms kill, ma'am. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/02/24/acronyms-kill-mam-one-admirals-blunt-assessment-of-military-abbreviations/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_check)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on July 12, 2016, 04:12:37 PM
James Lancaster has stepped down after 22 seasons as Aurora's men's basketball coach, leading the Spartans to 404 wins and 9 NCAA Tournament appearances. http://athletics.aurora.edu/news/2016/7/11/lancaster-to-step-down-as-au-mens-basketball-coach.aspx

Assistant coach, and 2010 conference Player of the Year, Lance Robinson has been tabbed to succeed him.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on July 13, 2016, 08:22:51 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 15, 2016, 11:13:45 AM
Wonder if they took into consideration when naming and coming up with a logo, that a school an hour away also had LU as their initials and LU as their logo. Maybe "U of L" "University of Lakeland" or something similar to that.

Missed national marketing opportunity.  Could have called it Fish U and made trucker hats that would have sold all over the country.  I can hear the chants  FU FU FU.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 13, 2016, 02:47:40 PM
Having James Lancaster step down to take on full-time responsibilities within the Aurora University administration is really going to change the look of this league. Not only was he one of three NACC head coaches who had served in their respective positions for over two decades (Mark Boyle of Marian and Skip Noon of Wisconsin Lutheran being the others), he's also had more long-term success than any other coach in the history of this league and its two predecessor leagues.

I would encourage everyone to read the interview with Lancaster that's at the end of the press release to which Ryan linked. It's very interesting and enlightening.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 15, 2016, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on July 13, 2016, 08:22:51 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 15, 2016, 11:13:45 AM
Wonder if they took into consideration when naming and coming up with a logo, that a school an hour away also had LU as their initials and LU as their logo. Maybe "U of L" "University of Lakeland" or something similar to that.

Missed national marketing opportunity.  Could have called it Fish U and made trucker hats that would have sold all over the country.  I can hear the chants  FU FU FU.

Finlandia already has that acronym nailed down.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on July 15, 2016, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on July 15, 2016, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on July 13, 2016, 08:22:51 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 15, 2016, 11:13:45 AM
Wonder if they took into consideration when naming and coming up with a logo, that a school an hour away also had LU as their initials and LU as their logo. Maybe "U of L" "University of Lakeland" or something similar to that.

Missed national marketing opportunity.  Could have called it Fish U and made trucker hats that would have sold all over the country.  I can hear the chants  FU FU FU.

Finlandia already has that acronym nailed down.

Well, as Lawrence found out, there simply aren't enough letters for everyone to get their own. ;D

Which, incidentally, is why the floor at the Woltzen Gymnasium will say "Muskies" instead of "LU" in the middle: https://twitter.com/LUmuskiesHoops/status/748166451115098112
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on July 19, 2016, 10:46:22 AM
Longtime Aurora head coach James Lancaster steps down.

Story: http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160711kl32lh

He spent 26 (4 years as the women and 22 years and the men's) years as the head coach over at Aurora compiling 462-230 (404-188 Men, 58-42 Women) record.

They have promoted assistant Lance Robinson to the head coaching gig over there.

Story: http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160712fo49fg
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 19, 2016, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on July 19, 2016, 10:46:22 AM
Longtime Aurora head coach James Lancaster steps down.

Story: http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160711kl32lh

He spent 26 (4 years as the women and 22 years and the men's) years as the head coach over at Aurora compiling 462-230 (404-188 Men, 58-42 Women) record.

They have promoted assistant Lance Robinson to the head coaching gig over there.

Story: http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160712fo49fg

You're a week late.  ???  ;D  :P

Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on July 12, 2016, 04:12:37 PM
James Lancaster has stepped down after 22 seasons as Aurora's men's basketball coach, leading the Spartans to 404 wins and 9 NCAA Tournament appearances. http://athletics.aurora.edu/news/2016/7/11/lancaster-to-step-down-as-au-mens-basketball-coach.aspx

Assistant coach, and 2010 conference Player of the Year, Lance Robinson has been tabbed to succeed him.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on October 27, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
2016-17 NACC Preseason Poll
1. Benedictine (22), 242
2. Concordia Wisconsin, 186
3. Aurora, 179
4. Marian, 172
5. Wisconsin Lutheran, 155
6. Lakeland, 151
7. MSOE, 99
8. Rockford, 97
9. Dominican, 69
10. Edgewood, 63
11. Concordia Chicago, 39
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 27, 2016, 06:11:16 PM
Benedictine lose 3 of their top 6 and are still the overwhelming favorite.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on October 31, 2016, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 27, 2016, 06:11:16 PM
Benedictine lose 3 of their top 6 and are still the overwhelming favorite.
They were so far ahead of the rest of the conference last year, how can they not be considered the heavy favorites?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 15, 2016, 11:04:16 PM
Opening night for the NACC

Dubuque 91
Rockford 70

Benedictine 86
Wheaton 76

Beloit 74
Marian 54

Northland 85
Lakeland 79

Aurora 87
Millikin 63
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2016, 11:44:32 PM
I'm sure the Muskies aren't supposed to be world beaters this year, but losing to Northland at home? Ouch. I checked last year's results and they only beat Northland by 4 on the road. I may head to the cornfields on Thursday to see them play WIAC foe La Crosse.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 16, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2016, 11:44:32 PM
I'm sure the Muskies aren't supposed to be world beaters this year, but losing to Northland at home? Ouch. I checked last year's results and they only beat Northland by 4 on the road. I may head to the cornfields on Thursday to see them play WIAC foe La Crosse.

Northland seems to be a program that is slowly trending upward in the UMAC. Then again this could be a clunker from Lakeland in Game 1. If not, then the Muskies could be in for a rough season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 16, 2016, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on November 16, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2016, 11:44:32 PM
I'm sure the Muskies aren't supposed to be world beaters this year, but losing to Northland at home? Ouch. I checked last year's results and they only beat Northland by 4 on the road. I may head to the cornfields on Thursday to see them play WIAC foe La Crosse.

Northland seems to be a program that is slowly trending upward in the UMAC. Then again this could be a clunker from Lakeland in Game 1. If not, then the Muskies could be in for a rough season.

I was at that gane last night. Northland certainly shot well in the first half, but I feel like Lakeland should have been able to beat them at home. Alas, after a very slow start that saw a 13 point deficit 6 minutes in, it was not to be.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2016, 08:51:00 AM
Last Night Scores:

Wisconsin Lutheran 76
Lawrence 68

Viterbo 78
Edgewood 66
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2016, 11:23:40 PM
La Crosse easily beats a bad, turnover prone Lakeland team 86-66.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 18, 2016, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2016, 11:23:40 PM
a bad, turnover prone Lakeland team

Maybe that's exactly what they want the rest of the NACC to think! ;D

Or maybe they just aren't very good this year. Based on what I've seen in the first two games, I'd put my money on the latter.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 22, 2016, 02:38:17 PM
New Around the Region column posted featuring Benedictine

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/central/2016-17/atr-benedictine-moves-on
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 30, 2016, 08:29:52 AM
Standings through 11/30

1. Concordia Wisconsin 3-1 (2-0)
2. Dominican 2-2 (1-0)
3. MSOE 1-1 (1-0)
4. Lakeland 1-3 (1-1)
5. Benedictine 2-2 (0-0)
6. Wisconsin Lutheran 2-2 (0-0)
7. Aurora 2-2 (0-0)
8. Concordia Chicago 1-3 (0-1)
9. Edgewood 0-3 (0-1)
10. Rockford 0-4 (0-1)
11. Marian 0-5 (0-1)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 07, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
Yesterday's Scores

#14 Benedictine 71 MSOE 52
Aurora 91 Marian 84
Dominican 76 Edgewood 72
Rockford 88 Concordia Wisconsin 82

NACC Standings

1. #14 Benedictine 5-2 (3-0)
2. Aurora 5-2 (3-0)
3. Wisconsin Lutheran 4-2 (2-0)
4. Concordia Wisconsin 5-2 (4-1)
5. Dominican 4-3 (2-1)
6. Edgewood 2-4 (2-2)
7. MSOE 1-4 (1-2)
8. Lakeland 1-5 (1-3)
9. Rockford 1-6 (1-3)
10. Concordia Chicago 1-5 (0-3)
11. Marian 0-8 (0-4)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 07, 2016, 05:49:21 PM
That Rockford win was a shocker.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on December 13, 2016, 02:38:51 PM
Well, Rockford scored more points than Concordia.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2016, 08:29:08 PM
Apparently they play games outside now as the Finlandia visit to Lakeland was postponed because it's too cold out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 14, 2016, 08:46:04 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2016, 08:29:08 PM
Apparently they play games outside now as the Finlandia visit to Lakeland was postponed because it's too cold out.

Finlandia couldn't find a bus that would start?  Or maybe the pipes froze in Lakeland's arena?  Even indoor events can be affected by weather - every season bball games get postponed (or canceled) because the visiting team didn't think they could safely travel.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
That was sarcasm, Ypsi. In all likelihood, Lakeland canceled classes and all activities, I know this from experience. Lakeland is in a bunch of cornfields out in the middle of nowhere. Some of the roads can be tough to get out there, but in today's case, it was the windchill.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on December 14, 2016, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
That was sarcasm, Ypsi. In all likelihood, Lakeland canceled classes and all activities, I know this from experience. Lakeland is in a bunch of cornfields out in the middle of nowhere. Some of the roads can be tough to get out there, but in today's case, it was the windchill.

Wish it was so funny.  They found a missing student dead on campus in a pond and I believe that this was the reason. Not a great week at Lakeland.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 14, 2016, 10:28:32 PM
http://fox6now.com/2016/12/14/search-of-pond-underway-on-lakeland-university-campus-associated-with-disappearance-of-student/

Yeah, I just read that this evening. Very sad news.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 18, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
I think on Wednesday, they had a blizzard warning in upper Michigan.

But I do remember a game in Rockford a couple years ago where they said it was like 40 degrees in the gym and all the fans were in winter jackets and covered in blankets...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 20, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
One thing I just noticed as I looked at the standings: Dominican has won 5 of their last 6 after only picking up 11 wins combined the last three years. Good for them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2016, 01:32:55 PM
Mayberry and Robertson have always been a solid combo for the Stars, but now Mark White has some decent role players to complement them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 04, 2017, 03:43:21 PM
Benedictine visits Dominican tonight so we'll get a chance to see if they can stop the Benes, or if the NACC is still basically a one team conference with everyone else fighting for 2nd at best.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 04, 2017, 06:51:33 PM
Quote from: AndOne on January 04, 2017, 03:43:21 PM
Benedictine visits Dominican tonight so we'll get a chance to see if they can stop the Benes, or if the NACC is still basically a one team conference with everyone else fighting for 2nd at best.

The determination of whether the NACC is a one team conference isn't going to be determined tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 04, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
Might eat some crow. Benedictine up 2 with 7 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 05, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
While Benedictine is still unbeaten in conference play, they haven't been as dominant as they were a year ago - last year they were barely even challenged in the NACC.

Also, what's going on with Concordia Wisconsin? They started 5-1 but now haven't won in over a month.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 05, 2017, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 05, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
While Benedictine is still unbeaten in conference play, they haven't been as dominant as they were a year ago - last year they were barely even challenged in the NACC.

Also, what's going on with Concordia Wisconsin? They started 5-1 but now haven't won in over a month.

That might happen when you lose the National Player of the Year, among others.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 11, 2017, 08:35:46 AM
Aurora 96 Rockford 80
Concordia Chicago 87 Dominican 72
Wisconsin Lutheran 71 Lakeland 57
Concordia Wisconsin 84 Edgewood 56

Marian at MSOE: Postponed (Uh no offense nothing south and east of a line from Madison to Oshkosh to Sheboygan should not have been postponed last night. Just take extra time getting to where you need to go.)

NACC Standings as of 1/11

1. #14 Benedictine 10-3 (8-0)
2. Aurora 8-4 (6-2)
3. Wisconsin Lutheran 8-5 (6-3)
4. MSOE 6-6 (5-3)
5. Concordia Wisconsin 6-6 (5-4)
6. Dominican 5-7 (3-5)
7. Marian 4-9 (3-5)
8. Edgewood 3-10 (3-5)
9. Lakeland 4-8 (3-6)
10. Rockford 4-11 (3-7)
11. Concordia Chicago 3-9 (2-7)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
Yeah, apparently 41 was worse than 43??? Lakeland played in Milwaukee too amd they didn't get postponed!

Anyway, wonder if that Lakeland vs Finlandia game will ever be made up. I'm guessing not aince it's not a conference game.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2017, 02:44:27 PM
Too bad I have a prior engagement on Saturday. I may have traveled 40 minutes south to see Benedictine in Mequon. Or maybe I'll talk to the teams and have the men play first at 2 pm!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 11, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
Anyway, wonder if that Lakeland vs Finlandia game will ever be made up. I'm guessing not aince it's not a conference game.

It's actually this Sunday afternoon at 3. With a Packer game starting at 3:40, I'm sure it will be a sellout! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on January 11, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 11, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
Anyway, wonder if that Lakeland vs Finlandia game will ever be made up. I'm guessing not aince it's not a conference game.

It's actually this Sunday afternoon at 3. With a Packer game starting at 3:40, I'm sure it will be a sellout! ;D

I am looking for 4 tickets inside the 40.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 11, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 11, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
Anyway, wonder if that Lakeland vs Finlandia game will ever be made up. I'm guessing not aince it's not a conference game.

It's actually this Sunday afternoon at 3. With a Packer game starting at 3:40, I'm sure it will be a sellout! ;D

Thanks! I didn't see that in the last day or two. Must have just been announced!

I was thinking about watching the Packer playoff game against Dallas, but I'll probably go out and watch Lakeland play a nonconference game instead.

- said no one ever
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on January 13, 2017, 03:45:36 PM
+1 Tragedy
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
Concordia Wisconsin upsets #14 Benedictine 83-80, ending BU's regular season NACC win streak at 34. Though even with that, the Eagles still have a 2 game lead in the conference standings.

Should be interesting to read the attendance from the Lakeland-Finlandia game today. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: frodotwo on January 15, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
Concordia Wisconsin upsets #14 Benedictine 83-80, ending BU's regular season NACC win streak at 34. Though even with that, the Eagles still have a 2 game lead in the conference standings.

Should be interesting to read the attendance from the Lakeland-Finlandia game today. ;D

Technical fouls: Finlandia-None ; Lakeland-None .
Attendance: 71
Time: 3:00 pm
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 16, 2017, 05:21:32 AM
Quote from: frodotwo on January 15, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
Concordia Wisconsin upsets #14 Benedictine 83-80, ending BU's regular season NACC win streak at 34. Though even with that, the Eagles still have a 2 game lead in the conference standings.

Should be interesting to read the attendance from the Lakeland-Finlandia game today. ;D

Technical fouls: Finlandia-None ; Lakeland-None .
Attendance: 71
Time: 3:00 pm

15 players x 2 = 30
Coaching staff of each team 4 x 2 = 8
Support staff (student managers etc) 3 x 2 = 6
Event staff = 10
Parents = 16
Random guy = 1
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on January 16, 2017, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 16, 2017, 05:21:32 AM
Quote from: frodotwo on January 15, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
Concordia Wisconsin upsets #14 Benedictine 83-80, ending BU's regular season NACC win streak at 34. Though even with that, the Eagles still have a 2 game lead in the conference standings.

Should be interesting to read the attendance from the Lakeland-Finlandia game today. ;D

Technical fouls: Finlandia-None ; Lakeland-None .
Attendance: 71
Time: 3:00 pm

15 players x 2 = 30
Coaching staff of each team 4 x 2 = 8
Support staff (student managers etc) 3 x 2 = 6
Event staff = 10
Parents = 16
Random guy = 1
that is funny Greek +1
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 17, 2017, 11:39:51 AM
Instead of Random Guy, I would have gone with "Custodian who just wants everyone to get the hell out."
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2017, 12:24:56 PM
Or "shadowy figure who sleeps under the bleachers."
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 17, 2017, 12:38:07 PM
I went out to the cornfields when my alma mater played La Crosse. Saw I guy I recognized as an employee 20 years previous. I walked up to him, said hi and asked him his name. He said his name and then said, "You don't know me." I said I do know him and questioned where he worked about 20 years ago. He eneded up being the head cook in the cafeteria. So, instead of random guy, I should have said, "1 retired head cook."
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 17, 2017, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 17, 2017, 11:39:51 AM
Instead of Random Guy, I would have gone with "Custodian who just wants everyone to get the hell out."

Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 17, 2017, 12:24:56 PM
Or "shadowy figure who sleeps under the bleachers."

You could have both. Just reduce the number of parents by one. Maybe one's a single mom.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 17, 2017, 12:38:07 PM
I went out to the cornfields when my alma mater played La Crosse. Saw I guy I recognized as an employee 20 years previous. I walked up to him, said hi and asked him his name. He said his name and then said, "You don't know me." I said I do know him and questioned where he worked about 20 years ago. He eneded up being the head cook in the cafeteria. So, instead of random guy, I should have said, "1 retired head cook."

OK, so add one retired head cook and subtract the single mom.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 25, 2017, 04:29:24 PM
So, another crappy game day on the Lake Michigan shoreline. Wonder if any games will be postponed (again)...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 26, 2017, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 25, 2017, 04:29:24 PM
So, another crappy game day on the Lake Michigan shoreline. Wonder if any games will be postponed (again)...

Two of them were: MSOE at Edgewood got moved back to tonight, while Lakeland at CUW have not announced a makeup date yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 06, 2017, 10:48:11 PM
With two weeks to go in the regular season, here's where we stand:

1. #16 Benedictine (*) 16-1 (18-4)
2. Aurora (x) 12-4 (14-7)
3. Concordia Wisconsin (x) 11-4 (13-7)
4. Wisconsin Lutheran 8-8 (11-10)
4. Dominican 8-8 (11-10)
4. MSOE 8-8 (9-11)
---
7. Rockford 7-10 (8-14)
8. Lakeland 6-10 (8-12)
9. Marian 5-12 (6-16)
10. Concordia Chicago 4-12 (5-16)
10. Edgewood 4-12 (4-17)
(*) Clinched a share of the regular-season NACC title and the No. 1 seed; (x) clinched a NACC Tournament berth

Looks like it's going to be time to get the abacuses out for tiebreaker calculations pretty soon. Aurora leads CUW by half a game for the No. 2 seed and a first-round bye; the Spartans won the first meeting and they play again in Mequon on Saturday. As far as the three tied tied for 4th, Dominican beat MSOE and lost to Wisconsin Lutheran with one more meeting against each team, while the two Milwaukee teams split their season series.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2017, 10:13:53 AM
Looks like wveryone clinched except #8 Marian. They are done at 7-13. Lakeland has one game left at 6-13. They split, so I'm not sure what the tie-breakers are. I'm guessing it's their record against Benedictine. Obviously the Muskies have to beat them this weekend to finish at 7-13, so they would win the tie-breaker with a 1-1 record against Benedictine.

Interestingly, the NACC is going to an 8-team format, different from their 6-team format in previous years, at least according to this site.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: redman822 on February 17, 2017, 10:48:12 AM
According to the NACC website (http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2016-17/tournament), only six teams are in the tournament...

1. #12 Benedictine   (*) 18-1   (20-4)
2. Aurora (x)   14-5   (16-8)
3. Concordia (Wis.) (x)   13-6   (15-9)
4. Wisconsin Lutheran (x)  11-8   (14-10)
5. Milwaukee Engineering   (x) 10-9   (11-12)
6. Dominican    9-10   (12-12)
---------------------------------------
7. Rockford   8-11   (9-15)
8. Marian   7-13   (8-17)
9. Lakeland   6-13   (8-16)
10. Edgewood   5-14   (5-19)
11. Concordia-Chicago   4-15   (5-19)

(*) Clinched a share of the regular-season NACC title and the No. 1 seed; (x) clinched a NACC Tournament berth

Final games of the regular season are all on Saturday -
Lakeland @ Benedictine
Edgewood @ Aurora
Wisconsin Lutheran @ Dominican
Concordia Wisconsin @ Concordia Chicago   
MSOE @ Rockford

So right now the abacuses can be put away for the most part...Rockford is out, due to going 0-2 with Dominican so even if they won and Dominican lost, they'd still lose the tiebreaker.

The only spots still being contested are the #4 and #5 seeds. If Wisc. Lutheran wins or MSOE loses, Lutheran would  be #4.  If Wisc. Lutheran loses and MSOE Wins, then their conference record is tied.  The two teams split their season series 1-1, then the abacuses would come out.   Either way, they will face each other on Wednesday, February 22.

That being said, here is the NACC Tournament as it stands now...

First Round - Wednesday, February 22, 7 p.m.
#5 seed at #4 seed
#6 Dominican at #3 Concordia Wisconsin

Semifinals - Friday, February 24, 7 p.m.
#4/5 seed winner at #1 Benedictine
#3/6 seed winner at #2 Aurora

Final - Sunday, February 26, 2 p.m.
Lowest-remaining-seed at Highest-remaining-seed
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2017, 12:30:47 PM
Ok. Thanks. Hope Dave or Pat can fix that on the tourney tracker page.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 17, 2017, 01:13:13 PM
I think they moved to a six team conference tournament in order to bolster Strength of Schedule but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 17, 2017, 03:59:35 PM
QuoteOk. Thanks. Hope Dave or Pat can fix that on the tourney tracker page.

It's fixed for men and women.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 18, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: redman822 on February 17, 2017, 10:48:12 AM
The only spots still being contested are the #4 and #5 seeds. If Wisc. Lutheran wins or MSOE loses, Lutheran would  be #4.  If Wisc. Lutheran loses and MSOE Wins, then their conference record is tied.  The two teams split their season series 1-1, then the abacuses would come out.   Either way, they will face each other on Wednesday, February 22.

MSOE would win the tiebreaker because they have beaten Aurora and WLC hasn't. (Each team has 1 win over CUW, so whether the Falcons tie for 2nd is irrelevant for this.)

However, as mentioned above, MSOE would need both results  today in their favor before they'd have to worry about a tiebreaker.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 18, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
Tournament is set...

First Round - Wednesday, February 22, 7 p.m.
#5 MSOE at #4 Wisconsin Lutheran
#6 Dominican at #3 Concordia Wisconsin

Semifinals - Friday, February 24, 7 p.m.
#4/5 seed winner at #1 Benedictine
#3/6 seed winner at #2 Aurora

Final - Sunday, February 26, 2 p.m.
Lowest-remaining-seed at Highest-remaining-seed
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on February 19, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 18, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
Tournament is set...

First Round - Wednesday, February 22, 7 p.m.
#5 MSOE at #4 Wisconsin Lutheran
#6 Dominican at #3 Concordia Wisconsin

Semifinals - Friday, February 24, 7 p.m.
#4/5 seed winner at #1 Benedictine
#3/6 seed winner at #2 Aurora

So if #6 wins they don't play #1? 

Final - Sunday, February 26, 2 p.m.
Lowest-remaining-seed at Highest-remaining-seed
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 19, 2017, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on February 19, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
So if #6 wins they don't play #1?
Nope. (This actually happened last year, when both lower seeds won the first round games.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on February 19, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on February 19, 2017, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on February 19, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
So if #6 wins they don't play #1?
Nope. (This actually happened last year, when both lower seeds won the first round games.)

Okay, doesn't seem equitable to #1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2017, 07:34:01 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on February 19, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on February 19, 2017, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on February 19, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
So if #6 wins they don't play #1?
Nope. (This actually happened last year, when both lower seeds won the first round games.)

Okay, doesn't seem equitable to #1 seed.

At a glance, it appears that only three of the 42 conferences in Division III men's basketball reseed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 22, 2017, 11:30:41 AM
Did happen last night on the NACC women's side last night. #6 Alverno beat #3 Benedictine. They go to #2 Lakeland for a semifinal.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2017, 11:45:44 PM
Concordia nearly upset Benedictine in more than one way. I didn't see Benedictine getting a Pool C spot had they lost. Despite last year's success, it seems there are more than a few people that are questioning Benedictine's credentials this year. I hope they can get into the 2nd weekend, though the Midwest has some tough opponents they'll be facing, most likely on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 28, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
Had Benedictine lost it would have gotten REALLY interesting for UWO. If the regional committee would have decided to keep Benedictine in front of Oshkosh despite the loss, then Oshkosh might never even get to the table and this whole debate about a 10-loss team never happens.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on February 28, 2017, 06:09:01 PM
Massey likes the Titans

http://www.masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=292154&t0=Benedictine+IL&h=0&s1=292154&t1=WI+Oshkosh
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 24, 2017, 11:11:31 AM
Skip Noon steps down as head coach at WLC. He'll still be the AD there going forward.

http://www.wlcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20170307rtyhi1

Aaron Aanonsen, the Lakeland HC has been hired to the same position at WLC.

http://www.wlcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20170324capfa8
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 26, 2017, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on March 24, 2017, 11:11:31 AM
Skip Noon steps down as head coach at WLC. He'll still be the AD there going forward.

http://www.wlcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20170307rtyhi1

Aaron Aanonsen, the Lakeland HC has been hired to the same position at WLC.

http://www.wlcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20170324capfa8

I was surprised to read that Aaron had been at Lakeland that long. Good for him and good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on April 28, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
The Muskies have filled their head coaching vacancy from within, promoting Sam Schroeder to the post. The 2011 Lakeland graduate had been an assistant coach for the past 6 years and a player before that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 29, 2017, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on April 28, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
The Muskies have filled their head coaching vacancy from within, promoting Sam Schroeder to the post. The 2011 Lakeland graduate had been an assistant coach for the past 6 years and a player before that.

And I thought Sam was a soccer player.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on May 03, 2017, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 29, 2017, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on April 28, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
The Muskies have filled their head coaching vacancy from within, promoting Sam Schroeder to the post. The 2011 Lakeland graduate had been an assistant coach for the past 6 years and a player before that.

And I thought Sam was a soccer player.

He is, and he's currently the head women's soccer coach at Ripon. But this one is not that one. (Or might be a clone - can someone check on that? ;D)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2017, 01:17:24 PM
Membership update:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/05/illinois-tech-to-nacc
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 03, 2017, 03:28:09 PM
IIT is a good addition to the NACC. The only problem is that the Scarlet Hawks don't field a football team, so the NACC is going to be one team shy of the seven-team minimum required for an automatic NCAA playoffs bid once Benedictine moves to D2 in a couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 03, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
So ITT has a couple of years to form a football team!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 03, 2017, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 03, 2017, 03:28:09 PM
IIT is a good addition to the NACC. The only problem is that the Scarlet Hawks don't field a football team, so the NACC is going to be one team shy of the seven-team minimum required for an automatic NCAA playoffs bid once Benedictine moves to D2 in a couple of years.

I suspect an affiliate member in football is in their future.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 03, 2017, 09:41:40 PM
We've been hearing about BU's move to D2 for a couple years, and now comes a forecast of their moving in a couple (more) years. I'm beginning to think that chances the move may not happen are increasing. However, should the Bennies depart, the conference will stand at a nice even 12 members for basketball, barring any additional additions or subtractions. Might we then see a 2 division split, possibly with northern and southern divisions?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 04, 2017, 01:11:37 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on May 03, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
So ITT has a couple of years to form a football team!

It's higlhly unlikely that IIT will start a football program anytime in the foreseeable future.

Quote from: Just Bill on May 03, 2017, 05:19:33 PM
I suspect an affiliate member in football is in their future.

Yeah, but who? Finlandia is focused upon getting into the UMAC as a full member, and former NACC member Maranatha Baptist just dropped the sport. That leaves absolutely no independents available for the NACC to add as an associate member for football.

Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2017, 09:41:40 PM
We've been hearing about BU's move to D2 for a couple years, and now comes a forecast of their moving in a couple (more) years. I'm beginning to think that chances the move may not happen are increasing.

Based upon what?

Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2017, 09:41:40 PMHowever, should the Bennies depart, the conference will stand at a nice even 12 members for basketball, barring any additional additions or subtractions. Might we then see a 2 division split, possibly with northern and southern divisions?

Actually, it will have eleven men's basketball teams post-Benedictine, not twelve:

Aurora
Concordia (IL)
Concordia (WI)
Dominican
Edgewood
Illinois Tech
Lakeland
Marian
MSOE
Rockford
Wisconsin Lutheran

It will have twelve for women's basketball, thanks to the presence of a women's college (Alverno) in the NACC ranks.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on May 04, 2017, 01:42:20 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 04, 2017, 01:11:37 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 03, 2017, 05:19:33 PM
I suspect an affiliate member in football is in their future.

Yeah, but who? Finlandia is focused upon getting into the UMAC as a full member, and former NACC member Maranatha Baptist just dropped the sport. That leaves absolutely no independents available for the NACC to add as an associate member for football.

I was actually thinking about that myself. And the only thing I could come up with is that they'd have to get one or more of the UMAC's football associates to jump ship (the former IBFC members?) But that bridge can be crossed when we come to it.

Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2017, 09:41:40 PMHowever, should the Bennies depart stay, the conference will stand at a nice even 12 members for basketball, barring any additional additions or subtractions. Might we then see a 2 division split, possibly with northern and southern divisions?

If Benedictine is leaving, I don't think it makes sense to go to divisions if they'll have to get rid of them after a year or two. (It would certainly make sense if they stay, with a 6-6 team split along state lines.) But either way, I don't think the NACC would go to a 22 game conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 04, 2017, 04:37:03 AM
Quote from: AndOne on May 04, 2017, 01:36:09 AM
As far as BU moving to D2, it seems that the possibility of it not happening is based on time.
We've been hearing about a reputed move for a couple years, and now it looks like it won't be accomplished for at least a couple more years.

I didn't hear anything about Benedictine moving to D2 until two or three months ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on May 04, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
Kinda of a no-brainer move here for ITT joining the league. Still think the bigger debate is going to be will the league move back to two divisions in certain sports.

The BU to D2 talk is interesting but I can't see it happening at the present time. Would put football at disadvantage especially with the scheduling agreement the league has with the MIAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: blue_jays on May 04, 2017, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on May 04, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
Kinda of a no-brainer move here for ITT joining the league. Still think the bigger debate is going to be will the league move back to two divisions in certain sports.

The BU to D2 talk is interesting but I can't see it happening at the present time. Would put football at disadvantage especially with the scheduling agreement the league has with the MIAA.

Their president is making it a priority to make the D2 move. It's gonna happen. If it falls apart, it won't be from a lack of trying.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on May 04, 2017, 10:12:47 AM
Quote from: blue_jays on May 04, 2017, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on May 04, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
Kinda of a no-brainer move here for ITT joining the league. Still think the bigger debate is going to be will the league move back to two divisions in certain sports.

The BU to D2 talk is interesting but I can't see it happening at the present time. Would put football at disadvantage especially with the scheduling agreement the league has with the MIAA.

Their president is making it a priority to make the D2 move. It's gonna happen. If it falls apart, it won't be from a lack of trying.

Kinda wondering what the motivation to move to D2 from the president is all about.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 04, 2017, 01:26:23 PM
It's all speculation, but I suspect that it's a combination of: 1) the president of BU believing that D2 membership could raise the school's local profile (which I doubt would actually happen, but it's a plausible theory); 2) Benedictine having the quality facilities necessary to both entice the GLVC to offer it membership and to attract D2-caliber student-athletes; 3) the fact that, since Chicagoland is underserved in terms of D2 institutions (the only one is Lewis, way out in Romeoville), BU will enjoy a great recruiting niche at that level; and 4) the CCIW's intransigence -- that league is never going to admit BU as a member in a million years, no matter how hard the Bennies keep knocking on the door.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 04, 2017, 02:58:51 PM
http://benueagles.com/news/2017/4/4/general-benedictine-to-explore-ncaa-dii-transition.aspx

They believe, based on consultants and research, that they will actually save money because a large number of student-athletes are more likely to take (for example) a $4,000 athletic scholarship than a $8,000 academic scholarship. Based on what I've seen over the years, I tend to believe them.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 04, 2017, 03:44:03 PM
I wasn't aware of that research, but that would be a powerful fifth incentive to move to D2, along with the other four I've named.

(I was amused by that BU press release back when I initially read it, because it said that Benedictine has been a member of D3 since a decade before D3 was actually created. Quite far-seeing, those Bennies. ;))
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: blue_jays on May 04, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on May 04, 2017, 02:58:51 PM
http://benueagles.com/news/2017/4/4/general-benedictine-to-explore-ncaa-dii-transition.aspx

They believe, based on consultants and research, that they will actually save money because a large number of student-athletes are more likely to take (for example) a $4,000 athletic scholarship than a $8,000 academic scholarship. Based on what I've seen over the years, I tend to believe them.

Some of the associated math/reasoning I've heard is pretty suspect. If they're going to rely on athletes to take up a higher percentage of their student body, they'll likely have to build more facilities to accommodate them, and any cost savings gets swallowed up and then some when capital projects are involved. Nothing puts institutions in financial straits faster than buildings that they have trouble paying off...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 05, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
I think they can fill a recruiting niche in Chicago. They can provide an attractive landing spot that falls between mid-level D-I's Loyola/DePaul/UIC and the Chicagoland D-III schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 31, 2017, 03:45:03 PM
Edgewood announces 11 recruits...

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/prep-boys-basketball-area-state-players-choose-edgewood-college/article_50d1d873-5936-5b60-81cd-1cbab8595163.html

Ryan Buss, Green Bay Preble, 6-foot- 6 forward
Drew Freitag, Beloit Memorial, 5-11 guard
Jake Graf, Brookfield East, 6-0 guard
Caleb Hill, Iowa-Grant, 6-1 guard
Caleb Holzman, Howards Grove, 6-5 forward
Nick Lynch, Janesville Craig, 6-3 guard
Jake Negus, Janesville Craig, 6-1 guard
Will Schwartz, Darlington, 6-2 guard
Ben Seefeld, Hartland Arrowhead, 6-5 forward
Noah Wand, Shullsburg, 6-4 forward
Jack Warrick, Mineral Point, 6-6 forward
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on June 03, 2017, 02:15:06 PM
Big loss for the Muskies as it's been reported on the CCIW board that leading scorer Brandon James is transferring to North Central.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on October 27, 2017, 04:31:48 PM
Benedictine has won at least a share of the last 3 NACC regular season titles, but if the head coaches and SIDs are to be believed, we could see a changing of the guard atop The standings this year.

2017-18 NACC Men's Basketball Preseason Poll
1. Aurora (16), 232
2. Concordia Wisconsin (4), 210
3. Benedictine (2), 205
4. Wisconsin Lutheran, 176
5. MSOE, 135
6. Dominican, 119
7. Marian, 108
8. Lakeland, 84
9. Edgewood, 81
10. Rockford, 62
11. Concordia Chicago, 40

Should be an interesting season for the Muskies. Don't know if we can expect too much in terms of wins and losses this year, but with a new head coach and opportunities for guys to step up (especially with James having transferred), one thing it should not be is boring.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gordonmann on October 27, 2017, 06:21:53 PM
Wow, Aurora by a comfortable margin.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 27, 2017, 08:28:56 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on October 27, 2017, 06:21:53 PM
Wow, Aurora by a comfortable margin.

I think that was anticipated. Aurora basically returns everyone. Benedictine loses their Big 3 and Concordia loses Kittel.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 12:29:57 AM
Benedictine will be a shadow of itself over the last couple of years. Unless there are a host of really really bad teams in NACC, it would not be surprising if BU finishes even lower than third.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 12:29:57 AM
Benedictine will be a shadow of itself over the last couple of years. Unless there are a host of really really bad teams in NACC, it would not be surprising if BU finishes even lower than third.

Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
Brayden Olson, BU's best player, will be immediately doubled about 90% of the time he touches the ball. The next best players will likely be 6'7" (really?) F Kenny Bogus, and 6'6" (really?) F Eric Grygo. Both are only Sophs, and neither can be described as explosive.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on October 31, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 12:29:57 AM
Benedictine will be a shadow of itself over the last couple of years. Unless there are a host of really really bad teams in NACC, it would not be surprising if BU finishes even lower than third.

Fixed it for you.

Wow, harsh. Not necessarily wrong, mind you...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 02, 2017, 10:01:39 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on October 31, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 29, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 12:29:57 AM
Benedictine will be a shadow of itself over the last couple of years. Unless there are a host of really really bad teams in NACC, it would not be surprising if BU finishes even lower than third.

Fixed it for you.

Wow, harsh. Not necessarily wrong, mind you...

Regardless Benedictine garners 5 votes in the opening top 25 poll.

IMO will be an interesting race this year in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 11:41:44 AM
Those 5 votes/points rank BU as the #42 team in the country. If that's true, the moon IS made of cream cheese. 🌛
You can thank the last 2 years for those votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
Brayden Olson, BU's best player, will be immediately doubled about 90% of the time he touches the ball. The next best players will likely be 6'7" (really?) F Kenny Bogus, and 6'6" (really?) F Eric Grygo. Both are only Sophs, and neither can be described as explosive.

Bogus is a legit 6'7 point-forward, was a steal for Benedictine. Potential conference MVP candidate over the next 3 years. Explosive may not be the right word for him, but smooth certainly is. He'll excite people this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
Brayden Olson, BU's best player, will be immediately doubled about 90% of the time he touches the ball. The next best players will likely be 6'7" (really?) F Kenny Bogus, and 6'6" (really?) F Eric Grygo. Both are only Sophs, and neither can be described as explosive.

Bogus is a legit 6'7 point-forward, was a steal for Benedictine. Potential conference MVP candidate over the next 3 years. Explosive may not be the right word for him, but smooth certainly is. He'll excite people this year.

* First of all, darkhorsebball, in the interest of full disclosure, you should point out that you are NOT an individual poster, but rather a recruiting service that goes out and competes with other such services for HS kids in order to represent them in their recruitment efforts. No doubt, Mr. Bogus is one of your former clients who you have a vested interest in promoting.

Now, that is not to say Kenny is a bad player, quite the contrary. In fact smooth may be a good description. He could very well be BU's #2 player this year. However, BU will need a lot more than smooth to come anywhere near the level of achievement they have attained the last couple of years. If they finish near the top of the conference standings it will be more a reflection that the conference as a whole is not very strong rather than BU being a powerhouse. Also, "steal" seems a bit over the top for a kid who shot 39% overall last year, 33% from three, only 50% from the line, and who averaged just 3.9 PPG. I hope BU didn't get arrested for that "steal."  ;)
At this point, lets just say Kenny is a decent player with the potential to get better to the point of being a top player on his team.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
Brayden Olson, BU's best player, will be immediately doubled about 90% of the time he touches the ball. The next best players will likely be 6'7" (really?) F Kenny Bogus, and 6'6" (really?) F Eric Grygo. Both are only Sophs, and neither can be described as explosive.

Bogus is a legit 6'7 point-forward, was a steal for Benedictine. Potential conference MVP candidate over the next 3 years. Explosive may not be the right word for him, but smooth certainly is. He'll excite people this year.

* First of all, darkhorsebball, in the interest of full disclosure, you should point out that you are NOT an individual poster, but rather a recruiting service that goes out and competes with other such services for HS kids in order to represent them in their recruitment efforts. No doubt, Mr. Bogus is one of your former clients who you have a vested interest in promoting.

Now, that is not to say Kenny is a bad player, quite the contrary. In fact smooth may be a good description. He could very well be BU's #2 player this year. However, BU will need a lot more than smooth to come anywhere near the level of achievement they have attained the last couple of years. If they finish near the top of the conference standings it will be more a reflection that the conference as a whole is not very strong rather than BU being a powerhouse. Also, "steal" seems a bit over the top for a kid who shot 39% overall last year, 33% from three, only 50% from the line, and who averaged just 3.9 PPG. I hope BU didn't get arrested for that "steal."  ;)
At this point, lets just say Kenny is a decent player with the potential to get better to the point of being a top player on his team.

My man, you are killing me. I am not a business account as you continue to insist, really not sure how a business account could benefit from posting on a random forum. I'm an individual who coached in Kenny Bogus' AAU program and got to know him there. He had multiple scholarship offers and turned them down in favor of paying to go to Benedictine, thus making him a steal by definition. I suggest you take a deep breath and let someone who knows the Chicagoland recruiting scene as well as anybody share his PERSONAL insights.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 03:17:32 PM
Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 29, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
Brayden Olson, BU's best player, will be immediately doubled about 90% of the time he touches the ball. The next best players will likely be 6'7" (really?) F Kenny Bogus, and 6'6" (really?) F Eric Grygo. Both are only Sophs, and neither can be described as explosive.

Bogus is a legit 6'7 point-forward, was a steal for Benedictine. Potential conference MVP candidate over the next 3 years. Explosive may not be the right word for him, but smooth certainly is. He'll excite people this year.

* First of all, darkhorsebball, in the interest of full disclosure, you should point out that you are NOT an individual poster, but rather a recruiting service that goes out and competes with other such services for HS kids in order to represent them in their recruitment efforts. No doubt, Mr. Bogus is one of your former clients who you have a vested interest in promoting.

Now, that is not to say Kenny is a bad player, quite the contrary. In fact smooth may be a good description. He could very well be BU's #2 player this year. However, BU will need a lot more than smooth to come anywhere near the level of achievement they have attained the last couple of years. If they finish near the top of the conference standings it will be more a reflection that the conference as a whole is not very strong rather than BU being a powerhouse. Also, "steal" seems a bit over the top for a kid who shot 39% overall last year, 33% from three, only 50% from the line, and who averaged just 3.9 PPG. I hope BU didn't get arrested for that "steal."  ;)
At this point, lets just say Kenny is a decent player with the potential to get better to the point of being a top player on his team.

Also, let's not be too quick to discount a freshman when he played behind two all-conference senior guards.......
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Scholarships from who? Last year, and even moreso the year before that, Benedictine could have beaten a lot of schools a player of Bogus' ability could have gotten a scholarship from.

And, if you're not a business entity, whats this:

https://www.darkhorserecruits.com/dark-horse-recruiting-success-stories/

And as far as you knowing the Chicago recruiting scene as well as anybody, if you aren't part of a recruiting service, how do you have the time to acquire all this knowledge?
Do you know as much as the college coaches whose lifeblood is recruiting and who go to multiple games all season long, season after season?






Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Scholarships from who? Last year, and even moreso the year before that, Benedictine could have beaten a lot of schools a player of Bogus' ability could have gotten a scholarship from.

And, if you're not a business entity, whats this:

https://www.darkhorserecruits.com/dark-horse-recruiting-success-stories/

And as far as you knowing the Chicago recruiting scene as well as anybody, if you aren't part of a recruiting service, how do you have the time to acquire all this knowledge?
Do you know as much as the college coaches whose lifeblood is recruiting and who go to multiple games all season long, season after season?

Agreed that Benedictine has been loaded the last few years, can also tell you that the coaches themselves described Bogus as a "steal". If you want to fight about an 18 year old kid, though, you're barking up the wrong tree.

That appears to be a website for Dark Horse Recruits, who, as I mentioned in the other post where you attacked me, I have helped navigate through the Chicagoland recruiting scene as they've established themselves. Are you a retro shoe brand that now runs tournaments? If not, what is this?

https://and1.com/live/

Any more questions, or is it blatantly clear to you how absurd you are being at this point?

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Scholarships from who? Last year, and even moreso the year before that, Benedictine could have beaten a lot of schools a player of Bogus' ability could have gotten a scholarship from.

And, if you're not a business entity, whats this:

https://www.darkhorserecruits.com/dark-horse-recruiting-success-stories/

And as far as you knowing the Chicago recruiting scene as well as anybody, if you aren't part of a recruiting service, how do you have the time to acquire all this knowledge?
Do you know as much as the college coaches whose lifeblood is recruiting and who go to multiple games all season long, season after season?

Agreed that Benedictine has been loaded the last few years, can also tell you that the coaches themselves described Bogus as a "steal". If you want to fight about an 18 year old kid, though, you're barking up the wrong tree.

That appears to be a website for Dark Horse Recruits, who, as I mentioned in the other post where you attacked me, I have helped navigate through the Chicagoland recruiting scene as they've established themselves. Are you a retro shoe brand that now runs tournaments? If not, what is this?

https://and1.com/live/

Any more questions, or is it blatantly clear to you how absurd you are being at this point?

It seems that as far as being absurd, your asking me if I am the And1 Corporation sets the standard!  :-*

Also you "have helped them (darkhorsebball recruiting) navigate through the Chicagoland recruiting scene as they've established themselves," but you're not associated with them?  ??? Tell that one to the jury! Geez.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:17:28 PM
Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Scholarships from who? Last year, and even moreso the year before that, Benedictine could have beaten a lot of schools a player of Bogus' ability could have gotten a scholarship from.

And, if you're not a business entity, whats this:

https://www.darkhorserecruits.com/dark-horse-recruiting-success-stories/

And as far as you knowing the Chicago recruiting scene as well as anybody, if you aren't part of a recruiting service, how do you have the time to acquire all this knowledge?
Do you know as much as the college coaches whose lifeblood is recruiting and who go to multiple games all season long, season after season?

Agreed that Benedictine has been loaded the last few years, can also tell you that the coaches themselves described Bogus as a "steal". If you want to fight about an 18 year old kid, though, you're barking up the wrong tree.

That appears to be a website for Dark Horse Recruits, who, as I mentioned in the other post where you attacked me, I have helped navigate through the Chicagoland recruiting scene as they've established themselves. Are you a retro shoe brand that now runs tournaments? If not, what is this?

https://and1.com/live/

Any more questions, or is it blatantly clear to you how absurd you are being at this point?

It seems that as far as being absurd, your asking me if I am the And1 Corporation sets the standard!  :-*

Also you "have helped them (darkhorsebball recruiting) navigate through the Chicagoland recruiting scene as they've established themselves," but you're not associated with them?  ??? Tell that one to the jury! Geez.  ::)

So we're clear, you just made my point! And if introducing a 22 year old kid who wants to help high school athletes find homes at the college level to high school and college coaches is a crime, consider me guilty! Can we get back to talking about basketball now?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:53:40 PM
A 22 year old kid? Is this someone who is supposed to know more about recruiting than HS and, especially, college coaches?
But forget it. Enough of this.

Besides, since I can only wish I was in some way a part of the And1 Corporation, its time for us to close on a quiz!

If a player makes a basket and is fouled in the process, what is that called?  ;)

Moving on............
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 03, 2017, 11:26:21 AM
In non-pissing contest news, WLC lost to UW-Milwaukee in an exhibition game. Hard to discern much of value, but shooting 43.5 percent against a D-I opponent seems not too bad to me.

http://www.wlcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/boxscores/20171102_xi4m.xml?view=boxscore
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 20, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
Take a picture. Lakeland is the only undefeated team in the conference!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 20, 2017, 09:01:00 AM
Weekend Scores

UW-Superior 65 Marian 57
Rockford 88 Great Lakes Christian 74
Simpson 83 Concordia Wisconsin 74
Wartburg 80 Aurora 66
Ripon 67 Edgewood 48
Lawrence 76 MSOE 68
St. Norbert 70 Benedictine 53
Illinois College 90 Dominican 71
Loras 104 Concordia Chicago 87
Lakeland 93 Martin Luther 85 (11/19)

NACC Standings

1. Lakeland 2-0
2. Rockford 2-1
3. Aurora 1-1
4. Dominican 1-1
5. Concordia Chicago 0-1
6. MSOE 0-1
7. Wisconsin Lutheran 0-1
8. Benedictine 0-2
9. Concordia Wisconsin 0-2
10. Edgewood 0-2
11. Marian 0-2

Tough 6-14 start for the league in non-cons.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 22, 2017, 12:17:52 PM
Alas, there won't be any teams going undefeated from the NACC this year. A couple years ago, you had to wait until the closing seconds of the season to make that statement; this year, it didn't even take a full week.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 25, 2017, 09:39:55 PM
Wow. I thought Aurora was going to run away from the league and they come out of Madison with a loss to a "supposedly" bad Edgewood team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 27, 2017, 10:59:01 AM
Edgewood's McClain Steffens' game winning shot to beat Aurora: https://twitter.com/edgewoodeagles/status/934609166177570816

Also, Edgewood's leading scorer from last season Tyler Lemke hasn't played yet this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2017, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 27, 2017, 10:59:01 AM
Edgewood's McClain Steffens' game winning shot to beat Aurora: https://twitter.com/edgewoodeagles/status/934609166177570816

Also, Edgewood's leading scorer from last season Tyler Lemke hasn't played yet this season.

As the Red Sea opens up...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on December 01, 2017, 05:56:54 PM
Who will lead the NACCi in dunks now that @erickittel has graduated?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
FYI - it appears the Benedictine Board of Trustees is meeting this week and on their agenda is the decision on whether to approve and apply to DII. No idea if this will go through or not. If they approve it, the school has to complete its paperwork by a deadline I believe in early January and then DII/NCAA would have to approve it. This is not a done deal by any stretch, but there are moving parts.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 04, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
It's been awhile and conference games are in full swing. Rockford in 1st place? Foolish me thinking Aurora would dominate.

Conference standings
Rockford 3-0
Benedictine 3-0
MSOE 3-1
Lakeland 2-2
Aurora 2-2
Marian 1-1
Dominican 1-2
Concordia (WI) 1-2
WLC 1-2
Edgewood 1-2
Concordia-Chicago 0-4
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 29, 2017, 02:14:03 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
FYI - it appears the Benedictine Board of Trustees is meeting this week and on their agenda is the decision on whether to approve and apply to DII. No idea if this will go through or not. If they approve it, the school has to complete its paperwork by a deadline I believe in early January and then DII/NCAA would have to approve it. This is not a done deal by any stretch, but there are moving parts.

Anyone heard anything about any further developments on this question?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 08, 2018, 06:20:45 PM
How about MSOE? They go down to Aurora and Benedictine last week, beat them both on the road, and all of a sudden the Raiders are 1/2 game ahead of the pack in 1st place!

It's been quite a while since Ben U has been off of that top line in the standings. But that's what losing twice in a week will do (Lakeland beat the Eagles as well) - they only had lost once in conference play in 2+ seasons before that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 08, 2018, 08:48:03 PM
MSOE   7-2   
Benedictine  6-2   
Aurora   6-3   
Marian   5-3   
Edgewood   5-3   
Lakeland   6-4   
Concordia (Wis.)  4-4   
Rockford   3-5   
Dominican   2-6   
Wisconsin Lutheran   2-6
Concordia-Chicago   0-8
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 14, 2018, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: AndOne on December 29, 2017, 02:14:03 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 04, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
FYI - it appears the Benedictine Board of Trustees is meeting this week and on their agenda is the decision on whether to approve and apply to DII. No idea if this will go through or not. If they approve it, the school has to complete its paperwork by a deadline I believe in early January and then DII/NCAA would have to approve it. This is not a done deal by any stretch, but there are moving parts.

Anyone heard anything about any further developments on this question?

Late on this, but I'm told final voting takes place tomorrow
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Gut feeling is BU will be gone to D-II and we'll hear an announcement shortly after the NCAA Convention which convenes this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 15, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Gut feeling is BU will be gone to D-II and we'll hear an announcement shortly after the NCAA Convention which convenes this week.

If this were to happen, how quickly would it take effect? Would they be out of here by next season already?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 15, 2018, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 15, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Gut feeling is BU will be gone to D-II and we'll hear an announcement shortly after the NCAA Convention which convenes this week.

If this were to happen, how quickly would it take effect? Would they be out of here by next season already?
No idea. With Illinois Tech entering the league it seems like you could just swap BU's spot in all the schedules for IIT. But it might not be that simple.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 15, 2018, 04:52:40 PM
It's not that simple, because Illinois Tech is not a perfect match for the NACC in terms of sponsored sports the way that Benedictine has been. The Bennies offer the same 19 sports that the NACC sponsors. IIT, on the other hand, has men's and women's lacrosse (not sponsored by the NACC), but lacks football, men's and women's golf, and softball, all of which are NACC-sponsored sports. Men's and women's golf is probably no big deal in terms of scheduling, but softball will now only have 11 teams competing, which creates scheduling headaches. A similar problem is in store for NACC football; although bringing in Eureka as an associate member in 2018 will preserve the league's automatic bid to the D3 playoffs (seven teams are required for a league to have an autobid), it will keep the NACC's number of football programs at an uneven seven, just when the league thought that it had finally balanced things out, schedule-wise, by adding the Red Devils. However, the league is used to handling an unbalanced football schedule, and perhaps a continuing agreement with the similarly-odd-numbered MIAA to match up the teams from each league that have a bye will be in the works.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 15, 2018, 05:46:58 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 15, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Gut feeling is BU will be gone to D-II and we'll hear an announcement shortly after the NCAA Convention which convenes this week.

If this were to happen, how quickly would it take effect? Would they be out of here by next season already?

I imagine they'll stay D3 & NACC for one season then go D2 for the 2019-2020 campaign. That's been the talk around the matter that I've heard, at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 15, 2018, 05:46:58 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 15, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Gut feeling is BU will be gone to D-II and we'll hear an announcement shortly after the NCAA Convention which convenes this week.

If this were to happen, how quickly would it take effect? Would they be out of here by next season already?

I imagine they'll stay D3 & NACC for one season then go D2 for the 2019-2020 campaign. That's been the talk around the matter that I've heard, at least.

That's standard procedure, generally - teams are playoff ineligible in d3 for one season, then move to d2.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 15, 2018, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 15, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 15, 2018, 05:46:58 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on January 15, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on January 15, 2018, 02:42:04 PM
Gut feeling is BU will be gone to D-II and we'll hear an announcement shortly after the NCAA Convention which convenes this week.

If this were to happen, how quickly would it take effect? Would they be out of here by next season already?

I imagine they'll stay D3 & NACC for one season then go D2 for the 2019-2020 campaign. That's been the talk around the matter that I've heard, at least.

That's standard procedure, generally - teams are playoff ineligible in d3 for one season, then move to d2.

Believe they'd be ineligible for playoffs at the D2 level for at least a year, too, no?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 16, 2018, 10:43:39 AM
From Benedictine's student newspaper this morning...

https://thecandor.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/benedictine-athletics-applies-to-transition-to-division-ii/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2018, 11:46:02 AM
We've been working on this for awhile, actually... and have a statement from the University.. not stealing (bad word) "acquiring" an internal email: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2018/01/benedictine-looking-to-d2
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 16, 2018, 11:51:27 AM
Surely someone forwarded them the internal memo -- I'd say there are not facts in evidence to back up "stealing" as a verb there.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 20, 2018, 09:17:05 AM
MSOE, Benedictine and Aurora 9-3

Marian 7-4

Lakeland 8-5

Concordia WI 7-5

Edgewood 6-6

Rockford 5-6

Dominican 2-9

WLC 2-9

Concordia Chicago 0-11


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 30, 2018, 11:58:10 PM
Three weeks to go in the regular season now, and still plenty to be decided:

1. Benedictine 11-3 (12-7)
2. MSOE 11-4 (12-7)
2. Aurora 11-4 (12-8)
4. Lakeland 9-6 (12-7)
4. Concordia Wisconsin 9-6 (11-9)
6. Rockford 7-7 (9-10)
---
6. Marian 7-7 (8-11)
6. Edgewood 7-7 (7-12)
9. Wisconsin Lutheran 5-10 (5-14)
10. Dominican 2-13 (4-15)
11. Concordia Chicago 1-13 (2-17)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 31, 2018, 04:47:35 AM
Did you figure out actual tiebreakers for that order of 7-7 teams, and those other teams that are tied?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on January 31, 2018, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 31, 2018, 04:47:35 AM
Did you figure out actual tiebreakers for that order of 7-7 teams, and those other teams that are tied?

I did not, but let me fetch my abacus and get back to you...

* MSOE has swept Aurora, so they would win that tiebreaker and also a 3 way tie including Benedictine, who they have also beaten once (they play at MSOE on Sat). AU and BU split the season series.
* Lakeland and CUW split, so their tiebreaker would come down to what order the top 3 finish in. CUW's sweep of MSOE would give it to them if the Raiders finish 1st outright or tied, while LU holds a win over BU (with CUW having a home game against them yet); neither team has beaten AU, though Lakeland will have one more chance to do so.
* Edgewood can lock up the 3 way tiebreaker with a win at Marian on 2/10, which would give them a season sweep over MU and a 3-1 head to head record; if the Sabres win, all three reams would be 2-2 as Rockford has split the season series with both. Then it would go to head to head records vs. the top teams as described above.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 31, 2018, 02:00:54 PM
I have a headache after reading that. I think I'm gonna take some aspirin and go lay down now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 01, 2018, 09:55:25 AM
I started it but about half way through I decided I'd wait till it was over and check the website instead.     ;) :)

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 06, 2018, 10:29:40 AM
Two weeks to go:

1. Benedictine (x) 13-3 (14-7)
2. Aurora (x) 13-4 (14-8)
3. MSOE (x) 12-5 (13-8)
4. Lakeland 11-6 (14-7)
5. Marian 9-7 (10-11)
5. Concordia Wisconsin 9-7 (11-10)
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7. Rockford 7-9 (9-12)
7. Edgewood 7-9 (7-14)
9. Wisconsin Lutheran 6-11 (6-15)
10. Dominican (e) 2-14 (4-17)
11. Concordia Chicago (e) 1-15 (2-19)
(x) Clinched NACC Tournament berth; (e) Eliminated from NACC Tournament contention

Marian has a sweep over CUW in the bag, though those teams still have 2 games over their nearest pursuers.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:46:41 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 12, 2018, 10:25:00 PM
One week to go in the regular season, and still plenty to be decided.

1. Benedictine (x) 15-3 (16-7)
2. Aurora (x) 14-4 (15-8)
3. MSOE (x) 13-6 (14-9)
4. Lakeland (x?) 11-8 (14-9)
5. Marian 10-8 (11-12)
5. Concordia Wisconsin 10-8 (12-11)
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7. Rockford 9-9 (11-12)
8. Edgewood 8-10 (8-15)
9. Wisconsin Lutheran (e) 6-12 (7-16)
10. Dominican (e) 3-15 (5-18)
11. Concordia Chicago (e) 1-17 (2-21)
(x) Clinched NACC Tournament berth; (e) Eliminated from NACC Tournament contention

Benedictine has wrapped up at least a first round bye; they, Aurora and MSOE will be the top 3 seeds in some order next week. If my tiebreaker calculations are correct (and they sometimes are), Lakeland has also secured a NACC tourney berth and could lock up the #4 seed with a win over Marian on Wednesday. Also that night, CUW hosts Rockford and can clinch a berth with a win; if they do, Marian would also clinch with a win. If the Regents win, it gets real interesting on Saturday. Finally, Edgewood is alive, but they need two wins and some help to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 15, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
Here's how the picture shakes out after last night's games. Have the abacus ready if you want to follow along. (Note: the secondary tiebreaker after head to head is comparison of records vs. each team or set of tied teams in standings order, starting at the top.)


That leaves one berth up for grabs, with three teams still in the running for it:

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2018, 09:26:52 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on February 15, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
Here's how the picture shakes out after last night's games. Have the abacus ready if you want to follow along. (Note: the secondary tiebreaker after head to head is comparison of records vs. each team or set of tied teams in standings order, starting at the top.)


  • Benedictine lost and fell into a first place tie with Aurora, who clinched a first round bye with their win. If they finish as co-champions, the Eagles will be the #1 seed as they beat MSOE once and Aurora did not.
  • MSOE will thus be the #3 seed.
  • Lakeland won and will be seeded #4, as they have the tiebreaker over CUW by virtue of their win over BU (and both got swept by AU).
  • Concordia Wisconsin clinched a berth with their last second win over Rockford; they will be seeded #5 unless they lose Saturday and Marian wins.

That leaves one berth up for grabs, with three teams still in the running for it:


  • Marian gets the berth with a win at Aurora (and with their sweep of CUW, would move up to the #5 seed if the Falcons lose) OR an Edgewood loss, plus either a Rockford loss or a CUW win. And we'll get to the latter.
  • Edgewood gets in with a win vs. Benedictine AND a Marian loss. EC would win a tiebreaker, whether it's 2 ways (they swept MU) or 3 ways (at 3-1, as Rockford split with both of them).
  • Rockford requires a win at Dominican AND Marian, Edgewood and CUW all to lose. RC and MU split head to head, they both got swept by AU and BU (so which order they finish in is irrelevant for this purpose), and they both split MSOE. To win the tiebreaker, Rockford needs Lakeland to be 4th outright, as they have a win over the Muskies and MU doesn't, but would only be 1-3 against Lakeland and CUW combined to Marian's 2-2.

Great job!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2018, 10:28:43 PM
Tournament field is set. Edgewood pulls off the upset on Benedictine to get in, and Aurora beats Marian to claim the outright title and #1 seed (preseason poll got it right after all). Aurora will host both semifinals and finals in a slightly new format this year.

http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2017-18/tournament-bracket

First Round - Tuesday, February 20, 7 p.m.
#6 Edgewood at #3 MSOE
#5 Concordia Wisconsin at #4 Lakeland

Semifinals - Friday, February 23 - at Thornton Gymnasium, Aurora, Ill.
5 p.m. -- Highest Remaining Seed vs. #2 Benedictine
7:30 p.m. -- Lowest Remaining Seed at #1 Aurora

Final - Saturday, February 24, 7:30 p.m. - at Thornton Gymnasium, Aurora, Ill.
First Semifinal Winner vs. Second Semifinal Winner
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 21, 2018, 12:34:57 AM
NACC First Round
#5 Concordia Wisconsin 99
#4 Lakeland 85

#6 Edgewood 52
#3 MSOE 47

Two similar stories at two very different paces - in each case, the visitors opened a double-digit lead, and the hosts clawed their way back in but were ultimately denied.

CUW's turning point came with about seven minutes to go; with Lakeland having whittled a 17 point lead down to 2, the Falcons responded with threes on four consecutive trips to extend the margin back to 11, and the Muskies would not seriously threaten again. Edgewood's came later; an MSOE layup with 17 seconds to go tied it up, erasing what had been a 14 point deficit, but Sy Staver drained a three with 2 seconds left and a pair of free throws sealed it for the Eagles.

So on Friday night in Aurora, it will be Benedictine vs. CUW at 5:00, followed by the Spartans hosting Edgewood at 7:30.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 21, 2018, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on February 21, 2018, 12:34:57 AM
NACC First Round
#5 Concordia Wisconsin 99
#4 Lakeland 85

#6 Edgewood 52
#3 MSOE 47

Two similar stories at two very different paces - in each case, the visitors opened a double-digit lead, and the hosts clawed their way back in but were ultimately denied.

CUW's turning point came with about seven minutes to go; with Lakeland having whittled a 17 point lead down to 2, the Falcons responded with threes on four consecutive trips to extend the margin back to 11, and the Muskies would not seriously threaten again. Edgewood's came later; an MSOE layup with 17 seconds to go tied it up, erasing what had been a 14 point deficit, but Sy Staver drained a three with 2 seconds left and a pair of free throws sealed it for the Eagles.

So on Friday night in Aurora, it will be Benedictine vs. CUW at 5:00, followed by the Spartans hosting Edgewood at 7:30.

Here are those last two baskets from the MSOE-EC game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18d48g3KCf8
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 23, 2018, 01:06:28 PM
The all-conference teams (http://www.naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180221pi4lkg) have been announced. Aurora guard Marcus Myers is the NACC Player of the Year; congratulations to him and to everyone else named.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2018, 08:21:54 PM
Great end of the game for the Bens/CUW game. That Johnson guy for CUW is a stud (already in the making). CUW went up strong at the end to tie it, could've called a foul with a good amount of contact, but I guess they "let the players" determine the outcome. Olson was Bens' stud of the night. 9 3s.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 02, 2018, 10:17:46 PM
Aurora stuns #4 Washington-St. Louis 82-80 in the first round! The Bears hit a 3 to tie the game with 1.6 seconds left, but with no timeouts remaining, Marcus Myers shook free in the frontcourt, they found him, and the NACC Player of the Year buried the dagger at the buzzer.

The Spartans advance to play Nebraska Wesleyan in the second round tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 03, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on March 02, 2018, 10:17:46 PM
Aurora stuns #4 Washington-St. Louis 82-80 in the first round! The Bears hit a 3 to tie the game with 1.6 seconds left, but with no timeouts remaining, Marcus Myers shook free in the frontcourt, they found him, and the NACC Player of the Year buried the dagger at the buzzer.

The Spartans advance to play Nebraska Wesleyan in the second round tomorrow night.

What an insane finish. Still trying to figure out how Wash U let Myers get that open. Has to be one of the biggest upsets in recent tournament history
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2018, 12:04:43 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ej71jsLiOM

Yeah, they just completely lost track of him.

So, I don't know how official the clock on the screen is, but it starts at 4 seconds and doesn't start until after Wash U hits their 3 and the Aurora player is standing out of bounds. It starts before he even throws the ball in.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2018, 01:25:21 PM
Yeah. Clearly not official.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2018, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 03, 2018, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on March 02, 2018, 10:17:46 PM
Aurora stuns #4 Washington-St. Louis 82-80 in the first round! The Bears hit a 3 to tie the game with 1.6 seconds left, but with no timeouts remaining, Marcus Myers shook free in the frontcourt, they found him, and the NACC Player of the Year buried the dagger at the buzzer.

The Spartans advance to play Nebraska Wesleyan in the second round tomorrow night.

What an insane finish. Still trying to figure out how Wash U let Myers get that open.

Two things:

* The Bears started retreating after Matt Nester hit his trey, but four of them stopped at the top of the key and retraced their steps back towards the inbounder, Max Vickers. That's because three of the Spartans made no effort whatsoever to come up the floor. Now, 1.6 seconds isn't enough time to take a close-in inbounds pass and dribble your way forward to any kind of a decent shot, but it's hard to blame the Bears defenders in this situation. From the moment you first pick up a basketball as a kid, you're trained to stay close to the player you're defending, and that's what the Bears were doing.

* Marcus Myers was the only Spartan to come up the floor, and he was very canny about the way that he did it. Watch the clip again. He watches Nester's shot go in, turns with no urgency whatsoever, and starts walking up the floor. He gave off the vibe that he had conceded that the game was destined to go into overtime. Then, just after PBP announcer Jay Murry (who did a great job of calling this endgame craziness, by the way) made his comment that "a prayer was answered", Myers breaks into a sprint towards the left elbow at the other end of the floor. The one Bear who had gone down the floor at first, Jake Knupp, never got close enough to Myers to challenge the Aurora star's shot.

That was not only a clever deke by Myers, it was an amazing shot as well -- off-balance, shooter drifting to his left, not squared up, from twenty feet out. But I wonder if the entire play -- including the rest of the Spartans hanging back in the backcourt, with Myers slowly leaking out into the forecourt -- was drawn up by AU head coach Lance Robinson. If so, then good on ya, Lance. If not, then that was a great improvisation all around by the Spartans.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 03, 2018, 04:03:01 PM
Had to be improvised. I mean, the Aurora player who first gets the ball after the Wash U 3 pointer nearly calls a timeout (at least it looks like it, a la Chris Webber).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2018, 04:48:13 PM
I don't think that that indicates improvisation at all. In fact, I think it probably indicates the opposite. The player in question (#20, Ty Carlson) caught the ball as it came down through the cylinder and nearly pulled a Chris Webber, as you mentioned. But watch Matt Dunn (#3). At the 0:11 mark of the clip he turns his head back to the AU bench and immediately points at Vickers as Vickers is stepping across the endline. Dunn is standing so close to Carlson that he probably yelled "Inbound!" or something to that effect as well. It's obvious that Dunn had gotten a signal from either Lance Robinson or one of his assistants and was telling Carlson to play through the situation by giving the ball to Vickers to be inbounded.

In fact, that head turn by Dunn and his immediate gesture thereafter to point at Vickers makes it even more likely that the final play was called by the AU bench. I'm not going to bet all of the corn in Manito on it -- but I'll bet at least a silo's worth. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on March 07, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
Sadly, Saturday was a different story, as Aurora was defeated by Nebraska Wesleyan 82-61 in the second round.

In other NACC news, Mark Boyle has hung up his clipboard (http://www.sabreathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180301ij1tg9) after 30 years at the helm at Marian. Boyle finishes his coaching tenure, which predates the Sabres' entry into Division III, with a 390-423 (.480) record, 5 conference regular season titles, and a pair of NCAA Tournament appearances in 2001 and 2014.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:31:38 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 08, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
So with the addition of Illinois Tech and the NACC going to 12 teams, are they planning on going to two divisions?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on July 09, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 08, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
So with the addition of Illinois Tech and the NACC going to 12 teams, are they planning on going to two divisions?

They haven't for soccer, although it's much easier to do in sports with more games.  I've heard rumors of divisions, but likely more wishful thinking than reality.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 09, 2018, 03:25:34 PM
I was reminded Benedictine leaves next year, so they probably wouldn't do it for a year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on July 12, 2018, 08:38:09 PM
Based on the schedules that I've seen put out, it does not appear that they're going back to two divisions next year, but are keeping a 20 game conference schedule (meaning each team will have two teams that they only play once).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 13, 2018, 07:31:27 PM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on July 12, 2018, 08:38:09 PM
Based on the schedules that I've seen put out, it does not appear that they're going back to two divisions next year, but are keeping a 20 game conference schedule (meaning each team will have two teams that they only play once).

Yeah. I saw Lakeland's schedule posted and had 20 conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 15, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
If they had 12 men's teams and 12 women's teams they'd probably play divisions, but that 13th women's program throws a wrench in scheduling, coordinating doubleheaders, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on July 16, 2018, 05:22:20 PM
It would have worked even better now, with Illinois Tech and without Maranatha, the (men's) teams split 6-6 along state lines. But they probably figured it wouldn't pay to rework the schedule for just one year before Benedictine leaves.

And 13 teams seems like a pain to schedule no matter how you do it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on July 17, 2018, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on July 16, 2018, 05:22:20 PM
It would have worked even better now, with Illinois Tech and without Maranatha, the (men's) teams split 6-6 along state lines. But they probably figured it wouldn't pay to rework the schedule for just one year before Benedictine leaves.

And 13 teams seems like a pain to schedule no matter how you do it.
It doesn't matter because the men's and women's schedules need to work in conjunction to accommodate doubleheaders, and the women's side will always have one more team. So if you try divisions either the men's side or the women's side is always unbalanced.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 22, 2018, 04:07:12 PM
I on case no one saw the tweets or the front page: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2018/09/benedictine-to-return-to-d3
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
That's certainly a surprise, but, considering that affiliation movements are very often presidentially driven, I'm not 100% shocked that Benedictine has chosen this turnaround after the previous BU prez suddenly left in August.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 22, 2018, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
That's cerrtainly a surprise, but, considering that affiliation movements are very often presidentially driven, I'm not 100% shocked that Benedictine has chosen this turnaround after the previous BU prez suddenly left in August.

I can't say a lot right now as a lot of hat I've learned is on background and off the record ... but the change at president makes it seem obvious, but I am gathering that it isn't necessarily the case or the reason(s).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on September 23, 2018, 07:04:03 PM
Here are some of the things I've learned, some or all of which may be contributing factors to BU's reverting to D3.

* Living a couple of miles from BU, I've been hearing stories locally, and reading some occasional articles detailing financial woes for BU for the last couple of years.
* BU hemorrhaged a lot of money in connection with the closing of it's Springfield campus.
* Recently departed President Brophy was a leading proponent of the switch to D2, and while he did have some support from the Board for the change, that support was not close to being unanimous.
* While it may not have been very widely publicized and/or reported, enrollment at BU has dropped considerably in recent years.
* From Fall 2014 through Spring 2018 undergrad enrollment at the Lisle campus fell from 2,940 to 2,164.
* Enrollment for freshmen entering in Fall 2017 was 35% lower than the goal. It was also expected that this year's class would come in below expectations.
* The recent plummet in enrollment has meant the school has lost many millions in projected income.
* With recent income falling far below what was expected over the last several years it has become necessary to cut spending. It's hard to see how BU could start giving athletic scholarships when they have much less money in the bank than what was expected by this time.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 23, 2018, 11:02:18 PM
AndOne ... I will start as I have started before and say there is some stuff I can't say right now... but I suspect we will have more on this decision at D3sports.com in the future, but just a few thoughts.

The financial stuff BU has been going through isn't that secret. There have been several reports on it and there are MANY schools dealing with the same. Is it troubling? Maybe. Some of it is just adjusting to the new normal. I can't go into much more, because I don't know BU's situation completely.

As for enrollment, I am not sure how accurate that information is in terms of the "goal." I was told (and tweeted) that BU had a pretty solid plan for this transition and that plan was actually working. From what I've gathered, that included increase in numbers. Case in point, there was something like 145 or 175 who reported for football this August. That team had less than 50 in the spring. That isn't an isolated example. Again, I can't speak for the entire campus, and many schools are dealing with enrollment challenges, but 35% lower than the goal seems a bit off to me from what I've been learning.

As for the athletic scholarships, remember a few things ... those sometimes are up to non-enrollment sources. I can't speak for the details of BU's plan, but again ... there was a very good plan that from what I was told was working very well. Furthermore, just keep in mind no scholarships had been given out in any way as of yet, though I do realize you may know that. I just wanted to make sure considering your words "how BU could start giving athletics scholarships out." It could mean the future; it could mean now.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on September 24, 2018, 02:06:54 AM
My understanding is that a couple of scholarship offers had been made before the about face. Not sure if any were accepted as yet. Also, I believe the plan was to only have a few scholarships available to be offered for the 2019-2020 school year with an increased number in future years.

* The numbers I reported for Fall 2014 through Spring 2018 were obtained from a document authored by the Vice President of Enrollment Management and Admissions.

* The 35% figure came from a December, 2017 memo on enrollment goals issued by the Administration which was sent to various "members of the BU community" (donors?). 

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on September 24, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
In addition to the above information, I have it on good authority that the BU basketball teams had recruiting quotas of 10 for this season, and the football quota was thought to be 45. And yes, the former President was a major proponent of the move to D2. And while he had support on the BU Board it was closer to a simple majority than being anywhere near unanimous.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 25, 2018, 12:51:33 AM
Quote from: AndOne on September 24, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
In addition to the above information, I have it on good authority that the BU basketball teams had recruiting quotas of 10 for this season, and the football quota was thought to be 45. And yes, the former President was a major proponent of the move to D2. And while he had support on the BU Board it was closer to a simple majority than being anywhere near unanimous.

I honestly don't care about the good authority, AndOne. That isn't a knock, but I take my time to get my information accurate and detailed ... thus why sometimes I cannot share it. However, to your point ... yes, quotas would be part of the plan for moving to DII. Also, quotas are very much the plan for a LOT of DIII schools (some work on recruiting numbers to help it all work, some work on retention, some work on a combination of both; experienced this first hand at several institutions I have been close with). In other words, I don't think the quotas idea is all that significant.

That said ... I can tell you for a fact, football beat their quota by double ... so ... not sure the point.

Finally, I am not sure of how the board felt yes or no on the DII decision outside of this: they approved the move forward after several presentations. They then decided to change course after several presentations. I would NEVER expect a board on a decision like this (in either direction) to be unanimous. The entire point of a good point is not be unanimous on major decisions. I actually would be more worried if they were unanimous.

BTW - ask your "good authority" about Benedictine and the idea of moving to DII. Ask that "good authority" if this was suddenly a new idea from the previous president ... or maybe this had been brewing for some time now. You might be surprised by the answer.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 04, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
No need to check with anybody.

Rumors about the possibility of BU going D2 had been wafting on the local wind for at least two years, probably closer to three. Anyone on the local scene who plays any attention to BU, or any other D3 school for that matter, heard about it. So no, it certainly wasn't a sudden recent new idea.                                                                                           

And coincidentally, the recently departed BU President assumed office almost exactly three years prior to his leaving. What does that tell you? He may not have been the originator of the idea, but he was a major pusher who helped turn the spark to flame.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 04, 2018, 04:18:21 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 04, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
No need to check with anybody.

Rumors about the possibility of BU going D2 had been wafting on the local wind for at least two years, probably closer to three. Anyone on the local scene who plays any attention to BU, or any other D3 school for that matter, heard about it. So no, it certainly wasn't a sudden recent new idea.                                                                                           

And coincidentally, the recently departed BU President assumed office almost exactly three years prior to his leaving. What does that tell you? He may not have been the originator of the idea, but he was a major pusher who helped turn the spark to flame.

You last part ... is my point. People are tied up that the most recent president was the won who pushed the idea and since he left, it was obvious that BU would reverse direction. That isn't necessarily the case here. There are others who had the idea and it was discussed on BU's campus for a number of years. Even those still on campus have supported or pushed the idea. They are still there (or have returned) ... so it isn't as cut and dry as the president leaving.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 04, 2018, 05:34:11 PM
As I said just above, while the Pres didn't necessarily originate the D2 idea, he definitely was a major pusher without whose support the original idea would not have matured and advance to the point it did.

Additionally, I previously said that there was also support from some of the Board, and other heavy hitters at BU, but that support was nowhere near unanimous.

I don't think my comments implied the former Pres was the sole supporter, and I know I never either expressly stated or implied that the idea was a new one which hadn't been around for a number of years.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: UWO Titan 78 on October 05, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
Do we have any sense if Ben U will stay in the NACC? I know that they brought in Eureka (football only) to keep the requisite number of teams for an AQ in football. Will the NACC support Ben U returning for all sports?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 05, 2018, 01:23:42 PM
Quote from: UWO Titan 78 on October 05, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
Do we have any sense if Ben U will stay in the NACC? I know that they brought in Eureka (football only) to keep the requisite number of teams for an AQ in football. Will the NACC support Ben U returning for all sports?

While I don't think that has been officially decided, I do feel BU will be staying and I don't see any reasons the status quo can't remain. I do leave the door open that anything is possible and who knows sometimes with egos in the world of college athletics (even in DIII), but I think BU remains in the NACC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 05, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
I brought up the subject this week with someone who works in one of the NACC athletics departments, and he's pretty sure that Benedictine will remain in the NACC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 16, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 05, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
I brought up the subject this week with someone who works in one of the NACC athletics departments, and he's pretty sure that Benedictine will remain in the NACC.

A seemingly good place for them to be as their only tough conference opponent has been Aurora which, together with BU, has largely dominated the conference in recent times.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 02, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
NACC releases their Preseason Poll: http://naccsports.org/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20181102MBKB-NACCpreseasonpoll

Here is the rundown.

1. Aurora (20-9) (20) 269
2. Benedictine (17-10) 229
3. Concordia Wisconsin (1) 226
4. Illinois Tech (19-8) (2) 208
5. MSOE (16-10) 179
6. Lakeland (16-10) 177
7. Edgewood (11-16) 128
8. Wisconsin Lutheran (8-17) 104
9. Rockford (11-14) 100
10. Marian (11-14) 92
11. Dominican (6-19) 50
12. Concordia Chicago (2-23) 32
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2018, 12:34:09 PM
Wow. The Muskies return everyone, right? I thought they'd be a lot higher. Hopefully Lakeland can prove the voters wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2018, 02:03:17 PM
I'm surprised that IIT is ranked that low. I suspect that the lack of familiarity that most NACC coaches have with the Scarlet Hawks accounts for some of that.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
Honestly, looking at last year's schedule and their 19-8 record, there's nothing that impresses me too much. I realize the NACC isn't a powerhouse conference, but there are some good teams in there. Is their win over Carthage in OT their only signature win?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
The Scarlet Hawks return their entire starting five, including preseason All-American guard Anthony Mosley, Jr. (14.5 ppg, 4.2 apg), 6'6 power forward Jake Digiorgio (13.7 ppg, 11.6 rpg), guard Malik Howze (13.7 ppg, 3.9 apg), and 6'7 center Max Hisatake (12.2 ppg, 10.3 rpg). In fact, as far as I can tell, the whole bleedin' IIT roster is back from last year. Mosley, Digiorgio, and the fifth starter, 6'6 role player Parker Joncus, already have three years each as starters under their belts, and Howze and Hisatake have started for two years each prior to this season, so this is one of the most experienced lineups in all of D3, if not the most experienced.

I've seen a lot of the Scarlet Hawks over the past three years. They're going to be plenty good this season. And Mosley is the real deal.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
The Scarlet Hawks return their entire starting five, including preseason All-American guard Anthony Mosley, Jr. (14.5 ppg, 4.2 apg), 6'6 power forward Jake Digiorgio (13.7 ppg, 11.6 rpg), guard Malik Howze (13.7 ppg, 3.9 apg), and 6'7 center Max Hisatake (12.2 ppg, 10.3 rpg). In fact, as far as I can tell, the whole bleedin' IIT roster is back from last year. Mosley, Digiorgio, and the fifth starter, 6'6 role player Parker Joncus, already have three years each as starters under their belts, and Howze and Hisatake have started for two years each prior to this season, so this is one of the most experienced lineups in all of D3, if not the most experienced.

I've seen a lot of the Scarlet Hawks over the past three years. They're going to be plenty good this season. And Mosley is the real deal.

I realize they have some real good talent on the team (going by stats), being a fantasy league player, but I really only see their win over Rose-Hulman as their big win. I thought Carthage was better last year. Anyway, I'm not saying they're chopped liver, but I don't think 4th is too low.

Benedictine is picked 2nd. Are they eligible for the regular season championship but not the conference tournament and NCAAs?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 03, 2018, 12:39:39 AM
They return two players who had averaged double doubles, and neither of those 2 is their best player! That's crazy. Will be interesting to see how they adapt to a full D3/NACC schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Mosley struggled with injuries last season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on November 03, 2018, 01:18:02 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2018, 12:34:09 PM
Wow. The Muskies return everyone, right? I thought they'd be a lot higher. Hopefully Lakeland can prove the voters wrong.

I think Joshuan McNeal is the only player from last year's rotation who won't be back. They certainly ought to be competitive again this year.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
Benedictine is picked 2nd. Are they eligible for the regular season championship but not the conference tournament and NCAAs?

I believe that is the case.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Mosley struggled with injuries last season.

I did actually forget about that. However, simply looking at last year's results, nothing tells me they are going to roll through the NACC. Obviously I could be completely wrong,
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2018, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 02, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
Benedictine is picked 2nd. Are they eligible for the regular season championship but not the conference tournament and NCAAs?

Yes.

Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Mosley struggled with injuries last season.

Yes, he did.

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 03, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Mosley struggled with injuries last season.

I did actually forget about that. However, simply looking at last year's results, nothing tells me they are going to roll through the NACC. Obviously I could be completely wrong,

I didn't say that the Scarlet Hawks were going to "roll through the NACC."  I said that I'm surprised that they were ranked as low as fourth by the coaches. I think that they'll do better than that. I'm pretty sure that they have what it takes to contend for the NACC title. I'm not saying that they're guaranteed to win it, but they have the talent and experience to at least make a run at it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 03, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
A little birdie told me IIT will be no worse than 2nd in the NACC this season. 🔮 🏀
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 03, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
A little birdie told me IIT will be no worse than 2nd in the NACC this season. 🔮 🏀

I mean ... really? Little birdie? Just say people are talking about IIT. I know we are watching them. There is a reason there is an IIT player on the preseason AA list.

Come on man :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on November 04, 2018, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2018, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on November 03, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Mosley struggled with injuries last season.

Yes, he did.

Thanks for confirming.

I watched IIT a few games last season including the game against Chicago and the game against Chicago the season before.  I followed them a little for fantasy league reasons.  They are going to be very good in my limited opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2018, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 03, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
A little birdie told me IIT will be no worse than 2nd in the NACC this season. 🔮 🏀

I mean ... really? Little birdie? Just say people are talking about IIT. I know we are watching them. There is a reason there is an IIT player on the preseason AA list.

That little birdie told him about the kissing disease.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 05, 2018, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 03, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
A little birdie told me IIT will be no worse than 2nd in the NACC this season. 🔮 🏀

I mean ... really? Little birdie? Just say people are talking about IIT. I know we are watching them. There is a reason there is an IIT player on the preseason AA list.

Come on man :)

People are talking about IIT? Well, thats fine. But talk is cheap. I'm saying I think they'll come in no worse than 2nd in conference. I'm sorry you were so upset by my evidently feeble attempt to state my prediction in a somewhat humorous manner. Geez, come on man. Lighten up a little Big Mac.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 05, 2018, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2018, 12:52:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 03, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
A little birdie told me IIT will be no worse than 2nd in the NACC this season. 🔮 🏀

I mean ... really? Little birdie? Just say people are talking about IIT. I know we are watching them. There is a reason there is an IIT player on the preseason AA list.

That little birdie told him about the kissing disease.

Oh, you mean mononucleosis? 🤔
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on November 05, 2018, 01:45:40 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2018, 02:21:52 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 05, 2018, 11:25:48 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 05, 2018, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 03, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
A little birdie told me IIT will be no worse than 2nd in the NACC this season. 🔮 🏀

I mean ... really? Little birdie? Just say people are talking about IIT. I know we are watching them. There is a reason there is an IIT player on the preseason AA list.

Come on man :)

People are talking about IIT? Well, thats fine. But talk is cheap. I'm saying I think they'll come in no worse than 2nd in conference. I'm sorry you were so upset by my evidently feeble attempt to state my prediction in a somewhat humorous manner. Geez, come on man. Lighten up a little Big Mac.  :)

I was being light as well... didn't portray that well. When I right "I mean ... really?!" I'm usually trying to be light hearted. That's also why I finished with "come on man" and a smiley face. :) It was just that "little birdie" cracked me up.

And second in the conference is exactly what I've heard from several. I look forward to seeing how their season comes together.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 13, 2018, 11:41:40 AM
Scores through 11/12

11/10

Maranatha 76 Dominican 65
Carroll 100 Rockford 63
MSOE 91 Beloit 69

11/11

Trine 76 Illinois Tech 67
Kalamazoo 114 Concordia Chicago 93

NACC Standings

1. MSOE 1-0
2. Wisconsin Lutheran 0-0
3. Concordia Wisconsin 0-0
4. Edgewood 0-0
5. ORV Aurora 0-0
6. Benedictine 0-0
7. Marian 0-0
8. Lakeland 0-0
9. Rockford 0-1
10. Illinois Tech 0-1
11. Dominican 0-1
12. Concordia Chicago 0-1
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 13, 2018, 11:45:16 AM
Matchups for the rest of the week.

11/14

Dominican at Western Illinois (Exhibition)
Wisconsin Lutheran at Beloit
Edgewood at Dubuque

11/15

Rockford at Concordia Chicago
Lawrence at Lakeland

11/16

Concordia Wisconsin at #10 UW-Platteville

11/17

MSOE at Lawrence
Illinois Tech at Northern Illinois (Exhibition)
Benedictine at Elmhurst
UW-Superior at Marian
Maranatha at Wisconsin Lutheran
Edgewood at Concordia St. Paul (Exhibition)
Concordia Wisconsin at #24 UW-Whitewater
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
Hoping for big things from the Muskies this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 21, 2018, 09:44:56 PM
I see where Nick Chambers is no longer on Aurora's roster. Anybody know what became of him?
He spent his freshman in 2016-2017 at North Central where he played in 26 of 29 games, started 7, and averaged 5 PPG in 14.5 minuets per game. However, evidently feeling he didn't play enough, he transferred to Aurora last year. The widely held feeling was that he expected there was a good chance he would be starting for AU. However, that possibility really didn't come close to materializing, and now he is apparently gone from the Aurora team.
Chambers had a good start at NCC. Looks like he quite possibly should have stayed the course. 🤔
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 28, 2018, 07:51:47 AM
Scores from 11/14

Western Illinois 95 Dominican 56 (Exhibition)
Wisconsin Lutheran 79 Beloit 67
Dubuque 82 Edgewood 66

11/15

Concordia Chicago 86 Rockford 79
Lakeland 88 Lawrence 81

11/16

UW-Platteville 74 Concordia Wisconsin 60

11/17

MSOE 73 Lawrence 54
Northern Illinois 73 Illinois Tech 66 (Exhibition)
Elmhurst 83 Benedictine 76
Marian 74 UW-Superior 66
Maranatha 81 Wisconsin Lutheran 75
Concordia St. Paul 85 Edgewood 70 (Exhibition)
UW-Whitewater 89 Concordia Wisconsin 70

11/19

Martin Luther 70 Lakeland 60

11/20

Wisconsin Lutheran 87 Martin Luther 58
Beloit 58 Marian 46
Concordia Wisconsin 95 Concordia Chicago 86
UW-Oshkosh 93 Edgewood 79
North Central (IL) 74 Benedictine 60

11/21

Aurora 90 Millikin 65
Illinois Tech 79 Knox 43

11/24

Northland 92 Lakeland 88
Ripon 85 Wisconsin Lutheran 69
MSOE 79 Knox 60
Augustana (IL) 78 Rockford 64
Colby 83 Dominican 62
Marian 71 Benedictine 67
Carthage 70 Illinois Tech 68
UW-Stevens Point 73 Edgewood 54

11/25

La Verne 73 Dominican 69
MSOE 75 Monmouth 68
Illinois Tech 64 Carroll 59

11/27

Concordia Chicago 98 Marian 83
Wisconsin Lutheran 96 Aurora 82
MSOE 108 Rockford 89
Lakeland 83 Edgewood 69


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 28, 2018, 07:56:51 AM
NACC Standings as of 11/28

1. MSOE 5-0 (1-0)
2. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-2 (1-0)
3. Lakeland 2-2 (1-0)
4. Concordia Wisconsin 1-2 (1-0)
5. Concordia Chicago 2-2 (2-1)
6. Marian 2-2 (1-1)
7. Illinois Tech 2-2 (0-0)
8. Dominican 0-3 (0-0)
9. Aurora 1-1 (0-1)
10. Benedictine 0-3 (0-1)
11. Edgewood 0-4 (0-1)
12. Rockford 0-4 (0-2)

Rest of the Week Matchups

11/28

Illinois Tech at Benedictine

12/1

Aurora at Illinois Tech
Dominican at Rockford
Wisconsin Lutheran at Concordia Wisconsin
MSOE at Marian
Edgewood at Concordia Chicago
Benedictine at Lakeland
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 28, 2018, 08:33:56 AM
+1 Captain! We miss ya in the national pick ems.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dutch Calvinist Reformer on November 28, 2018, 05:54:31 PM
Curious what happened to Wisconsin Lutheran's Tyler De Young.  Captain last two years and versatile starter who could play inside/out.  Never felt he got the shots he deserved with Kennedy taking all of them.  Now isn't on the roster for his senior year.  Anyone know what's up?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 12, 2018, 01:29:40 PM
Conference standings

Lakeland 4-0
Con WI 4-0
MSOE 3-1
WLC 3-1
Edgewood 2-2
Benedictine 2-3
Rockford 2-3
Dominican 1-2
Con Chi 2-4
Aurora 1-3
Illinois Tech 1-3
Marian 1-4

Conference games Saturday

Lakeland at Illinois Tech
Con WI at Marian
WLC at Dominican
Edgewood at Rockford
Con Chi at Benedictine
MSOE at Aurora

The top 3 play the bottom 3
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 15, 2018, 11:01:01 AM
12/12 Scores

North Central 83 Aurora 73
Rockford 90 Knox 59
Lakeland 80 Silver Lake 77

12/13

MSOE 91 Maranatha 67

Overall Standings

1. Lakeland 6-2 (4-0)
2. Concordia Wisconsin 4-2 (4-0)
3. MSOE 8-1 (3-1)
4. Wisconsin Lutheran 5-3 (3-1)
5. Edgewood 2-5 (2-2)
6. Benedictine 3-5 (2-3)
7. Rockford 3-5 (2-3)
8. Dominican 1-6 (1-2)
9. Concordia Chicago 2-5 (2-4)
10. Illinois Tech 3-5 (1-3)
11. Aurora 2-4 (1-3)
12. Marian 2-5 (1-4)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 10, 2019, 09:12:53 AM
Many moons ago Lakeland was in 1st place and was 4-0.

Con WI 9-1
MSOE 8-1

Illinois Tech 6-3
Benedictine 5-4
Rockford 5-4

Lakeland 4-5
Aurora 4-5
Edgewood 4-5

WLC 3-6
Con Chi 3-7

Marian 2-7
Dominican 2-7


Ill. Tech v Con Chi
Aurora v Con WI
WLC v Marian
Lakeland v MSOE
Rockford v Dominican
Edgewood v Benedictine
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:19:48 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 12, 2019, 11:53:23 AM
MSOE
14-4, 19-4
Concordia (Wis.)
13-4, 15-7
Rockford
11-7, 12-11
Benedictine
10-8, 13-10
Illinois Tech
9-8, 12-10
Aurora
9-8, 11-11
Edgewood
9-8, 9-13
Wisconsin Lutheran
8-9, 10-12
Lakeland
8-10, 10-13
Concordia-Chicago
6-11, 6-16
Marian
4-13, 6-16
Dominican
3-14, 3-20
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:27:22 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 15, 2019, 09:12:28 AM
Congrats to Collin Kennedy as he became WLC's all time leading scorer last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2019, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 15, 2019, 09:12:28 AM
Congrats to Collin Kennedy as he became WLC's all time leading scorer last night.

Very nice. Congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 16, 2019, 10:56:32 AM
NACC Standings as of 2/16

1. MSOE 20-4 (15-4) X
2. Concordia Wisconsin 17-7 (15-4) X
3. Aurora 13-11 (11-8) X
4. Rockford 12-12 (11-8) X
5. Benedictine (I) 13-11 (10-9)
6. Illinois Tech 13-11 (10-9) X
7. Edgewood 10-14 (10-9)
8. Lakeland 11-13 (9-10)
9. Wisconsin Lutheran 11-13 (9-10)
10. Concordia Chicago 6-18 (6-13)
11. Marian 7-17 (5-14)
12. Dominican 3-21 (3-16)

2/16 Matchups

Edgewood at Wisconsin Lutheran (Winterfest)
Rockford at Illinois Tech
Marian at MSOE
Concordia Wisconsin at Benedictine
Aurora at Concordia Chicago
Dominican at Lakeland

The fight for the final spot in the NACC Tournament will come down to Lakeland, WLC or Edgewood.

WLC will get in with:

-Win against Edgewood (Tiebreakers will kick in)

Lakeland will get in with:

-Win against Dominican and Loss by WLC (Tiebreakers will kick in)

Edgewood will get in with:

-Win over WLC and Dominican win over Lakeland (Tiebreakers don't seem to favor them if I am not missing something)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2019, 05:09:20 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 18, 2019, 11:29:21 AM
Congratulations to MSOE and Concordia Wisconsin who share the NACC regular season championship at 16-4! The Raiders get the No. 1 seed on tiebreakers, and will host the conference tournament final four over the weekend, hoping to follow up their first regular season title in 37 years with what would be their first ever NCAA Tournament berth.

First Round - Wednesday, 7:00pm
#6 Edgewood (10-10) at #3 Aurora (12-8)
#5 Rockford (11-9) at #4 Illinois Tech (11-9)

Semifinals - Saturday at MSOE
#2 Concordia Wisconsin (16-4) vs. higher seeded winner, 3:30pm
Lower seeded winner at #1 MSOE (16-4), 5:45pm

Final: Sunday, 3:00pm at MSOE
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 18, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
Looks like the coaches/SIDs or whomever got Illinois Tech's position correct. They we're predicted 4th and ended up 4th. We can obviously look at this in two different ways. They finished 4th out of 12 teams. They also finished 5 games out of 1st and just a game out of 9th as four teams finished 10-10. I know a few posters felt they would contend for a conference championship and 4th was too low. Was the league better than thought or was Illinois Tech not as good as anticipated?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on February 18, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
IIT only had their all-American guard for 15 of their 25 games so that certainly hurt.  I am not sure if he left due to injuries (he also struggled with injuries as a sophomore), but he is no longer on the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2019, 06:38:28 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on February 18, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
IIT only had their all-American guard for 15 of their 25 games so that certainly hurt.  I am not sure if he left due to injuries (he also struggled with injuries as a sophomore), but he is no longer on the roster.

There's your explanation, Tom.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 19, 2019, 07:44:31 AM
I may buy that as part of their inability to finish higher than 4th.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2019, 03:40:16 PM
It's a very big part. Mosley was not only the leading scorer for the Scarlet Hawks, he was also their primary distributor and their best on-ball defender.

In terms of his importance to his team, I'd compare him to Elmhurst's Jake Rhode. He was certainly a bigger cog for IIT than even, say, Ben Boots is for UWO.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:41:53 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 21, 2019, 11:46:05 AM
NACC Tournament First Round
#6 Edgewood 70
#3 Aurora 73

#5 Rockford 68
#4 Illinois Tech 75

So the semifinals on Saturday will pit CUW vs. Aurora at 3:30pm, followed by MSOE hosting IIT at 5:45.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
Here is a terrific resource: http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2018-19/conference-tournaments/index
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: SportsFanBob on February 21, 2019, 06:14:01 PM
Man..... Illinois Tech coming behind from double digits without big man Max Hisatake. Excited to see how play from big man Rico and Jake D can spark the Hawks against the tough 3-2 zone of MSOE. I know I'll be there.

My prediction is IIT comes up big, and CUW wins easily.

Quote from: Ryan Stoppable on February 21, 2019, 11:46:05 AM
NACC Tournament First Round
#6 Edgewood 70
#3 Aurora 73

#5 Rockford 68
#4 Illinois Tech 75

So the semifinals on Saturday will pit CUW vs. Aurora at 3:30pm, followed by MSOE hosting IIT at 5:45.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: SportsFanBob on February 23, 2019, 09:22:19 PM
Big Upset by Aurora vs CUW.....

Loved watching both games....

Disappointed in MSOEs fan base for a home game.... Lots of parent support but very uninspired students who just wanted to go study for their math quiz. IIT fans made a big drive to Milwaukee and shook the gym. Making it basically a home game for the Hawks.

Shoutout Max Hisatake, Calvin Schmitz and Ahmad Muhammad for the Hawks in huge games.

See you tomorrow, where the stakes are a tourney bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2019, 11:45:34 AM
So is the NACC going to play nice with Benedictine or make them jump through a bunch of hoops? How about the NCAA for that matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 19, 2019, 12:49:50 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 19, 2019, 11:45:34 AM
So is the NACC going to play nice with Benedictine or make them jump through a bunch of hoops? How about the NCAA for that matter.

It is all done at this point. Benedictine is a full time DIII member. The NCAA is not making them jump through any hoops as they didn't actually leave. The conference limited awards and post-season play this year, but otherwise they are a full member moving forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on March 31, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
By the way, Concordia - Chicago hired a new men's basketball coach. Steve Kollar, formerly the coach at Blackburn.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 03, 2019, 11:09:15 AM
SNC leaving the Midwest conference:


St. Norbert Athletics to Join Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

From Asst. AD/Athletics Communications, April 3, 2019 |
by Dan Lukes, dan.lukes@snc.edu, (920) 403-4077

DE PERE - St. Norbert College's intercollegiate athletics program will join the Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference, the conference announced today. The Green Knights will compete in the NACC beginning in the 2020-21 school year.

"Extensive study of our athletic department and the quality of academic experience for our student-athletes led us to explore Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference membership," St. Norbert College President Brian Bruess said. "Our student-athletes will be spending significantly less time away from campus allowing for a more integrated student experience."

"St. Norbert College is a fine academic institution with a strong record of athletic success and a deep commitment to student achievement," said Dr. Scott Flanagan, Edgewood College president and President of the NACC's Executive Committee. "Those reasons, along with their location near our current geographical area, make St. Norbert an exceptional fit for the NACC. We are excited to welcome St. Norbert to the conference."

The NACC, of which St. Norbert was already an affiliate member for men’s volleyball, consists of 13 schools in Wisconsin and Illinois. Wisconsin members include Alverno College, Milwaukee School of Engineering and Wisconsin Lutheran College (all of Milwaukee), Concordia University Wisconsin (Mequon), Edgewood College (Madison), Lakeland University (Plymouth) and Marian University (Fond du Lac). Illinois members include Concordia University Chicago and Dominican University (both of River Forest), Aurora University (Aurora), Benedictine University (Lisle), Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago) and Rockford University (Rockford). St. Norbert is already partners in the Northern Collegiate Hockey Association with MSOE, Concordia Wisconsin, Marian and Aurora.

"We are very pleased to have St. Norbert College join the NACC as our 14th full-time member," said NACC Commissioner Dr. G. Steven Larson. "St. Norbert brings a commitment to both academics and athletics that mirrors the core values of the NACC. They will be a strong partner as we continue to grow into our expanded geographic footprint."

"A vibrant and competitive program will enhance our student-athletes' overall experience," St. Norbert athletics director Tim Bald said. "With significantly less travel, our student-athletes will have more occasions to engage with our faculty and the community of St. Norbert College."

The move to the NACC will end membership in the Midwest Conference, which has nine other members located in Wisconsin (Lawrence University, Ripon College and Beloit College), Illinois (Lake Forest College, Knox College, Monmouth College and Illinois College) and Iowa (Cornell College and Grinnell College). The Green Knights won 121 Midwest Conference championships in 14 different sports while appearing in 66 NCAA Division III Tournaments after joining the league full-time in 1983. St. Norbert also won 19 Midwest Conference All-Sports Trophies - 15 for women and four for men - despite not fielding men’s and women’s swimming until 2018-19.

"We will miss our many rivalries and relationships built over nearly four decades as a Midwest Conference member and aim to maintain many as non-conference competition in the future," Bruess said. "We are looking forward to growing our existing relationships with NACC members."

"Our reduced travel in a smaller geographic footprint will be less strenuous on our student-athletes, coaching staff and support staff," Bald said. "We are still aligned with institutions of similar academic excellence and missions, while easing demands on schedules and budgets."

St. Norbert will reacquaint itself with long-running series against NACC schools dating prior to World War II. The Green Knights began men’s basketball series with Concordia Wisconsin in 1924-25, with Lakeland in 1932-33 and with MSOE in 1933-34.

St. Norbert has a 23-sport athletics program, with 19 of those competing in every championship the NACC sponsors. Men's NACC champions are sponsored in baseball, basketball, cross country, football, golf, soccer, tennis, track and field (indoor and outdoor) and volleyball. Women's NACC champions are sponsored in basketball, cross country, golf, soccer, softball, tennis, track and field (indoor and outdoor) and volleyball.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 03, 2019, 12:30:25 PM
14 women's programs and 13 men's programs is getting pretty crowded. Scheduling should be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on April 03, 2019, 04:04:57 PM
I'm not sure how good the Midwest Conference is in basketball from top to bottom, but the NACC is adding a school that has won their league eight times out of the last 10 and over the same time period has won at least half of their conference's football championships, plus 9 out of the last 10 seasons have finished either first or second in their division in baseball. (Sorry - these are all men's sports.) This is a MAJOR deal for men's sports in the NACC. If I'm a coach in almost any men's sport in the NACC I'm not sure I'm all that excited to see St. Norbert added to the conference, especially if I'm at a program that has a legitimate chance to win the conference in basketball or football from year to year. St. Norbert will now be a major hurdle in getting to the NCAA tournaments.

From an outsider's viewpoint and from St. Norbert's perspective, I guess I can see the reasoning for entering the NACC. Although it may seem to be a lateral move strictly as far as athletic competition, as someone said in another post the travel isn't as long as some of the trips they take in the Midwest Conference and it might get you into the Chicago and Milwaukee markets more readily. I'd love to hear some other thoughts from other posters "in the know".
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on April 03, 2019, 04:25:10 PM
SNC will be an interesting challenge in the NACC, I think. They have routinely been at the top of the heap of the Midwest Conference for football, men's and women's basketball, baseball, women's volleyball, softball.

I am not well acquainted with NACC (I'm a Lawrence alum from a LONG time ago) but I really do think SNC will be very competitive. It is a loss for the Midwest.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 03, 2019, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 03, 2019, 04:04:57 PM
I'm not sure how good the Midwest Conference is in basketball from top to bottom, but the NACC is adding a school that has won their league eight times out of the last 10 and over the same time period has won at least half of their conference's football championships, plus 9 out of the last 10 seasons have finished either first or second in their division in baseball. (Sorry - these are all men's sports.) This is a MAJOR deal for men's sports in the NACC. If I'm a coach in almost any men's sport in the NACC I'm not sure I'm not all that excited to see St. Norbert added to the conference, especially if I'm at a program that has a legitimate chance to win the conference in basketball or football from year to year. St. Norbert will now be a major hurdle in getting to the NCAA tournaments.

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that adding St. Norbert is going to make the NACC better. The league's overall non-conference records will improve. Multiple-bid postseasons may become more frequent. Competition will be fiercer. Every school and every program will be forced to up its game.

Across the board, the NACC was slightly superior to the MWC, but not by much; the main difference lay mostly in the fact that the NACC has produced a few outlier programs that have achieved excellence on the national stage at one point or another (Concordia IL in baseball, Dominican in men's soccer, Benedictine in men's basketball, etc.), while the MWC never really has. But, since SNC was consistently at or near the top of the MWC in the all-sports standings over the thirty-odd years that it was in the league, the balance has now tipped dramatically in the NACC's favor.

The one problem is that the NACC is getting larger and even more unwieldy. I don't see how it can avoid going to divisions in the women's sports in which every school fields a team, since women-only Alverno is a NACC member, because the league will now be up to 14 teams in those sports. And the league will have to seriously consider whether it should go to two unbalanced divisions in men's sports such as basketball, baseball, and soccer in which it will now have 13 teams.

Quote from: RFMichigan on April 03, 2019, 04:04:57 PMFrom an outsider's viewpoint and from St. Norbert's perspective, I guess I can see the reasoning for entering the NACC. Although it may seem to be a lateral move strictly as far as athletic competition, as someone said in another post the travel isn't as long as some of the trips they take in the Midwest Conference and it might get you into the Chicago and Milwaukee markets more readily. I'd love to hear some other thoughts from other posters "in the know".

It's a tradeoff for SNC. The association with the MWC was useful from an academic perspective, because the MWC contains some of the most elite liberal arts colleges in the heartland. Seven of the 14 members of the prestigious Associated Colleges of the Midwest (https://www.acm.edu/index.html) are MWC members. That's nice company to keep, even if your school doesn't itself measure up to it. The MWC's reputation in that sense will be hard for SNC to part with. But an equally-potent argument from an academic perspective can be made that reducing travel for SNC student-athletes will cut down on their lost class time.

But I think that, given the current budgetary climate with which small liberal-arts schools have to deal, this is likely a decision driven more by economics than anything else. And you've spelled out the two reasons -- reduced travel and improved visibility in the Chicagoland and Milwaukee-area markets -- why this move makes financial sense for SNC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: judgetrainer on April 04, 2019, 01:39:45 PM
I would just like to thank Gregory Sager for noticing and mentioning the ACM. In fact, the MWC grew out of the ACM nearly a century ago.

I still don't have enough posts to do this officially but ++++
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: huskereddy on April 04, 2019, 04:59:48 PM
It's actually the other way around -- the MWC predates the ACM by some 36 years (1921 vs 1958). While it certainly makes sense to think that the association with the ACM schools could be a benefit, it could also be an albatross.

Once Cornell rejoined the MWC, it meant that 8 of 11 members were also members of the ACM. Since that time, Carroll (not an ACM member) has retreated to their former home in the CCIW and SNC has announced their exit to the NACC. Would it be fair to say that the remaining non-ACM member of the MWC - Illinois College - might be on the clock? They face travel extremes similar to - if not worse than - that of SNC. It's roughly two hours from Jacksonville to their nearest MWC opponent/s (Knox/Monmouth) and no other MWC school is within 200 miles. The closest MWC school to Illinois College - past or present - is Millikin (74 miles), whose membership lasted roughly three years.

Quote from: judgetrainer on April 04, 2019, 01:39:45 PM
I would just like to thank Gregory Sager for noticing and mentioning the ACM. In fact, the MWC grew out of the ACM nearly a century ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 05:16:51 PM
Illinois College was also a charter member of the CCIW (which began as the CCI, since there were no Wisconsin members at the time). I'm not sure that the CCIW would welcome Illinois College back into the fold the way that it welcomed Carroll. It was stretching the CCIW's footprint a bit to re-admit Carroll. It would stretch it a lot to re-admit IC. Everybody already gripes about having to make the trip to Millikin as it is (aside from the Illinois Wesleyan people), and IC's over an hour beyond Millikin. I suspect that the NACC would have the same reservations about admitting IC as a new member.

The SLIAC would be a great geographic fit for IC, but: a) the SLIAC doesn't sponsor football; and b) I doubt that MacMurray College would want its crosstown rival to join its league.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: huskereddy on April 04, 2019, 05:33:52 PM
Just imagine if Carthage was still in Carthage, Illinois...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
Yeah, that would be a major headache.

Carthage's athletics nickname is a vestige of its Illinois heritage. Carthage High School's teams were known as the Blueboys, in honor of the large contingent of Carthaginian males who served in the Union Army during the Civil War. (CHS has since merged with two other schools and is now Illini West High School; its teams are called the Chargers.) The college's sports teams adopted the nickname Redmen (since altered to Red Men) so as to distinguish themselves from the Blueboys.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on April 04, 2019, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 05:16:51 PM
Illinois College was also a charter member of the CCIW (which began as the CCI, since there were no Wisconsin members at the time). I'm not sure that the CCIW would welcome Illinois College back into the fold the way that it welcomed Carroll. It was stretching the CCIW's footprint a bit to re-admit Carroll. It would stretch it a lot to re-admit IC. Everybody already gripes about having to make the trip to Millikin as it is (aside from the Illinois Wesleyan people), and IC's over an hour beyond Millikin. I suspect that the NACC would have the same reservations about admitting IC as a new member.

The SLIAC would be a great geographic fit for IC, but: a) the SLIAC doesn't sponsor football; and b) I doubt that MacMurray College would want its crosstown rival to join its league.
not crosstown Greg, it is across the street!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 11:44:05 PM
Jacksonville's so small that anything across the street is crosstown. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on April 05, 2019, 12:51:08 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 11:44:05 PM
Jacksonville's so small that anything across the street is crosstown. ;)

Well Dominican and CUC do the same thing in the bustling metropolis of River Forest. (Of course both schools roasted each other on twitter when announcing the St. Norbert news)  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 05, 2019, 09:20:42 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 05:16:51 PM
Illinois College was also a charter member of the CCIW (which began as the CCI, since there were no Wisconsin members at the time). I'm not sure that the CCIW would welcome Illinois College back into the fold the way that it welcomed Carroll. It was stretching the CCIW's footprint a bit to re-admit Carroll. It would stretch it a lot to re-admit IC. Everybody already gripes about having to make the trip to Millikin as it is (aside from the Illinois Wesleyan people), and IC's over an hour beyond Millikin. I suspect that the NACC would have the same reservations about admitting IC as a new member.

The SLIAC would be a great geographic fit for IC, but: a) the SLIAC doesn't sponsor football; and b) I doubt that MacMurray College would want its crosstown rival to join its league.

Why not?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 05, 2019, 11:39:39 AM
Territoriality. My impression is that MacMurray is looked upon as the little brother of the Jacksonville duo. (Once upon a time it would've been the little sister, but I digress ...) IC has twice as many students, ten times the amount of money in its endowment, and (so I'm told) much nicer facilities than MacMurray has. From MacMurray's perspective, it has been an integral part of the SLIAC for almost three decades now. The SLIAC is its turf, its athletic identity, its club. Would you want to share your club with your larger, stronger, wealthier, better-looking big brother?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2019, 12:07:39 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
Yeah, that would be a major headache.

Carthage's athletics nickname is a vestige of its Illinois heritage. Carthage High School's teams were known as the Blueboys, in honor of the large contingent of Carthaginian males who served in the Union Army during the Civil War. (CHS has since merged with two other schools and is now Illini West High School; its teams are called the Chargers.) The college's sports teams adopted the nickname Redmen (since altered to Red Men) so as to distinguish themselves from the Blueboys.

So, how did Illinois College become the Blue Boys?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 05, 2019, 02:16:24 PM
I'm not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Illinois College became the Blue Boys for the same reason that Carthage HS did: A large number of students and/or alumni serving in the Union Army during the Civil War.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 05, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
What is a Blueboy?

Illinois College's athletic teams are known by the nickname of Blueboys and Lady Blues. The term "Blueboy" refers to a soldier in the Union Army, a role filled by 240 Illinois College students during the Civil War. The College's rich history includes ties to Abraham Lincoln and the Underground Railroad. The entire senior class of 1863 enlisted in the Civil War and Illinois College recognizes those soldiers who fought and died in the war by using the "Blueboy" as the school's official mascot.

https://illinoiscollegeathletics.com/sports/2013/5/29/fastfacts.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 05, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
What is a Blueboy?

Illinois College's athletic teams are known by the nickname of Blueboys and Lady Blues. The term "Blueboy" refers to a soldier in the Union Army, a role filled by 240 Illinois College students during the Civil War. The College's rich history includes ties to Abraham Lincoln and the Underground Railroad. The entire senior class of 1863 enlisted in the Civil War and Illinois College recognizes those soldiers who fought and died in the war by using the "Blueboy" as the school's official mascot.

https://illinoiscollegeathletics.com/sports/2013/5/29/fastfacts.aspx


I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)

I've got a question regarding IC and MacMurray being in the same conference. Is/can a school get admitted into a conference by the simple majority of conference presidents or can one school veto another one from getting in? It seems as though Illinois College is an awfully long way from most other schools in the Midwest Conference, but besides the SLIAC, where would they go? The NACC? (I'm fascinated by how and why schools end up in the conferences that they are.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on April 05, 2019, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)

Yes! I was curious from when they played at Washington University but not curious enough to look it up. 

Then, I bought that 1987-1988 Washington University basketball magazine off Ebay and it had all the old mascots listed.  They played Illinois College that year and the magazine had a Union soldier logo.  It was a cool logo actually, but I guess they could not make it work for the women.

By Knox College incidentally, they just had the word Siwash which I guess was their old mascot.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 05, 2019, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 05, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
What is a Blueboy?

Illinois College's athletic teams are known by the nickname of Blueboys and Lady Blues. The term "Blueboy" refers to a soldier in the Union Army, a role filled by 240 Illinois College students during the Civil War. The College's rich history includes ties to Abraham Lincoln and the Underground Railroad. The entire senior class of 1863 enlisted in the Civil War and Illinois College recognizes those soldiers who fought and died in the war by using the "Blueboy" as the school's official mascot.

https://illinoiscollegeathletics.com/sports/2013/5/29/fastfacts.aspx


I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)

I've got a question regarding IC and MacMurray being in the same conference. Is/can a school get admitted into a conference by the simple majority of conference presidents or can one school veto another one from getting in? It seems as though Illinois College is an awfully long way from most other schools in the Midwest Conference, but besides the SLIAC, where would they go? The NACC? (I'm fascinated by how and why schools end up in the conferences that they are.)

I'm not going to pretend I know the geographics of the MWC, but I can't imagine trips to Lakeland University in Plymouth, Marian in Fond du Lac and Edgewood in Madison would be enjoyable rides for the Blue Boys if they were to jump to the NACC...and another trip to DePere, WI, St. in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on April 05, 2019, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 05, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
What is a Blueboy?

Illinois College's athletic teams are known by the nickname of Blueboys and Lady Blues. The term "Blueboy" refers to a soldier in the Union Army, a role filled by 240 Illinois College students during the Civil War. The College's rich history includes ties to Abraham Lincoln and the Underground Railroad. The entire senior class of 1863 enlisted in the Civil War and Illinois College recognizes those soldiers who fought and died in the war by using the "Blueboy" as the school's official mascot.

https://illinoiscollegeathletics.com/sports/2013/5/29/fastfacts.aspx


I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)

I've got a question regarding IC and MacMurray being in the same conference. Is/can a school get admitted into a conference by the simple majority of conference presidents or can one school veto another one from getting in? It seems as though Illinois College is an awfully long way from most other schools in the Midwest Conference, but besides the SLIAC, where would they go? The NACC? (I'm fascinated by how and why schools end up in the conferences that they are.)

It depends on the conference rules on how many votes you need to add a ew member. However, most will say that the new school was unanimously voted in, even if there was one or two holdouts. It looks better for the conference to say the move was unanimous.

There is a kind of sick irony if Illinois College were to join the NACC after St. Norbert left the MWC citing travel concerns as one of the reasons and they are forced back into their longest conference road trip they had in the MWC in their new conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on April 05, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 05, 2019, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 05, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
What is a Blueboy?

Illinois College's athletic teams are known by the nickname of Blueboys and Lady Blues. The term "Blueboy" refers to a soldier in the Union Army, a role filled by 240 Illinois College students during the Civil War. The College's rich history includes ties to Abraham Lincoln and the Underground Railroad. The entire senior class of 1863 enlisted in the Civil War and Illinois College recognizes those soldiers who fought and died in the war by using the "Blueboy" as the school's official mascot.

https://illinoiscollegeathletics.com/sports/2013/5/29/fastfacts.aspx


I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)

I've got a question regarding IC and MacMurray being in the same conference. Is/can a school get admitted into a conference by the simple majority of conference presidents or can one school veto another one from getting in? It seems as though Illinois College is an awfully long way from most other schools in the Midwest Conference, but besides the SLIAC, where would they go? The NACC? (I'm fascinated by how and why schools end up in the conferences that they are.)

I'm not going to pretend I know the geographics of the MWC, but I can't imagine trips to Lakeland University in Plymouth, Marian in Fond du Lac and Edgewood in Madison would be enjoyable rides for the Blue Boys if they were to jump to the NACC...and another trip to DePere, WI, St. in the future.

I don't think any of the NACC full members are within 200 miles of Illinois College, though Eureka is for football (MacMurray, which is in the same town, was a member of the football only IBFC with several current NACC schools.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on April 05, 2019, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on April 05, 2019, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)



By Knox College incidentally, they just had the word Siwash which I guess was their old mascot.

IIRC correctly, Siwash is a reference to Native Americans... but I don't think it's a specific tribe (though I could be wrong on that).  It was changed in about 93.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 11:19:03 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on April 05, 2019, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM

I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)

I've got a question regarding IC and MacMurray being in the same conference. Is/can a school get admitted into a conference by the simple majority of conference presidents or can one school veto another one from getting in? It seems as though Illinois College is an awfully long way from most other schools in the Midwest Conference, but besides the SLIAC, where would they go? The NACC? (I'm fascinated by how and why schools end up in the conferences that they are.)

It depends on the conference rules on how many votes you need to add a ew member. However, most will say that the new school was unanimously voted in, even if there was one or two holdouts. It looks better for the conference to say the move was unanimous.

There is a kind of sick irony if Illinois College were to join the NACC after St. Norbert left the MWC citing travel concerns as one of the reasons and they are forced back into their longest conference road trip they had in the MWC in their new conference.
I'm sorry if it sounded as though I was suggesting that IC would be looking for a new conference; there is no indication that they would. I was just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 06, 2019, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 11:19:03 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on April 05, 2019, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on April 05, 2019, 04:41:00 PM

I remember not having an idea where this nickname came from until we played in IC's gym and they had a huge picture of a Civil War soldier on the wall. (Along with a sign which said that Illinois College was the oldest college in the state of Illinois. :o)

I've got a question regarding IC and MacMurray being in the same conference. Is/can a school get admitted into a conference by the simple majority of conference presidents or can one school veto another one from getting in? It seems as though Illinois College is an awfully long way from most other schools in the Midwest Conference, but besides the SLIAC, where would they go? The NACC? (I'm fascinated by how and why schools end up in the conferences that they are.)

It depends on the conference rules on how many votes you need to add a ew member. However, most will say that the new school was unanimously voted in, even if there was one or two holdouts. It looks better for the conference to say the move was unanimous.

There is a kind of sick irony if Illinois College were to join the NACC after St. Norbert left the MWC citing travel concerns as one of the reasons and they are forced back into their longest conference road trip they had in the MWC in their new conference.
I'm sorry if it sounded as though I was suggesting that IC would be looking for a new conference; there is no indication that they would. I was just thinking out loud.

I don't think anyone thought that either. We were thinking out loud too.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on April 07, 2019, 06:36:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 04, 2019, 11:44:05 PM
Jacksonville's so small that anything across the street is crosstown. ;)
Small by Chicago standards maybe but 19,000+ not small by downstate standards!  Try 1900 where I grew up 25 miles from Jacksonville. 
Try small as 11 people (from a high of 20) in a little village near my hometown where the population was kept on the village sign with a black magic marker.  Every time someone died, moved out or a birth the population on the sign was crossed out and updated!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 23, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
Kind of lost in the shuffle of SNC moving to the NACC is that Whitman's associate head coach Matt Airy will be the new head coach at Aurora.

https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2018-19/contrib/201904095sndlh

Looks like he'll be bringing that fast-paced system to Aurora. Should be fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on April 23, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: gbpuckfan on April 05, 2019, 10:43:24 PM
IIRC correctly, Siwash is a reference to Native Americans... but I don't think it's a specific tribe (though I could be wrong on that).  It was changed in about 93.

I did not notice this before, but thanks...

It makes sense that they would have moved away from the name.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Skinny Lance on October 30, 2019, 04:48:24 PM
Is it true former Rockford coach Andrew Weber is starting a NACC hoops podcast? Someone post the link.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 05, 2019, 01:33:32 PM
NACC Preseason Poll

1. MSOE 21-5 (16-4) 261 (13)
2. Aurora 17-12 (12-8) 235 (3)
3. Benedictine 13-12 (10-10) 223 (2)
4. Illinois Tech 16-12 (11-9) 211 (1)
5. Concordia Wisconsin 18-8 (16-4) 206 (1)
6. Lakeland 12-13 (10-10) 140
7. Edgewood 10-16 (10-10) 139
8. Wisconsin Lutheran 12-13 (10-10) 120
9. Marian 7-18 (5-15) 77
10. Concordia Chicago 6-19 (6-14) 76
11. Rockford 12-14 (11-9) 68
12. Dominican 3-22 (3-17) 38
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 07, 2019, 05:50:23 PM
Quote from: Skinny Lance on October 30, 2019, 04:48:24 PM
Is it true former Rockford coach Andrew Weber is starting a NACC hoops podcast? Someone post the link.

Any D3 hoops podcast is one I would support!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 11, 2019, 08:27:42 AM
NACC Scores through Monday.

11/8

Wisconsin Lutheran 96 North Central (MN) 82
MSOE 76 Northwestern (MN) 75
Carroll 74 Rockford 64
ORV Loras 108 Concordia Chicago 85
UW-Superior 60 Marian 55

11/9

#12 St. John's (MN) 71 Marian 43
MSOE 81 North Central (MN) 75
Northwestern (MN) 87 Wisconsin Lutheran 82
Benedictine 87 St. Norbert 79
Trine 75 Illinois Tech 71

11/10

Carroll 98 Lakeland 49

NACC Standings

1. MSOE 2-0
2. Benedictine 1-0
3. Wisconsin Lutheran 1-1
4. Concordia Wisconsin 0-0
5. Aurora 0-0
6. Edgewood 0-0
7. Dominican 0-0
8. Lakeland 0-1
9. Rockford 0-1
10. Illinois Tech 0-1
11. Concordia Chicago 0-1
12. Marian 0-2
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 11, 2019, 08:32:52 AM
This week's games

11/12

Lakeland at Finlandia
Wisconsin Lutheran at Milwaukee (Exhibition)
UW-Whitewater at MSOE

11/13

Illinois Tech at Ferris State (Exhibition)
Benedictine at Hope
Dominican at North Park
Marian at Holy Family (Formerly Silver Lake College)

11/14

Maranatha at Rockford
Aurora at UW-Eau Claire

11/15

UW-La Crosse vs Concordia Wisconsin (at Dubuque, Iowa)

11/16

UW-Stout at Lakeland
Benedictine vs LeTourneau (at Memphis, Tennessee)
Rockford at Northern Illinois (Exhibition)
Concordia Wisconsin at ORV Loras

11/17

Benedictine vs Millikin (at Memphis)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 11, 2019, 09:10:44 AM
Looking at that Lakeland score hurts.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2019, 05:47:10 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 17, 2019, 06:54:28 AM
And now your monthly NACC basketball update:

No conference disproves the Transitive Theory When Applied to Basketball Results more than the NACC. I think there are three teams that have a legitimate shot to win the title - Benedictine, CUW, and Wisconsin Lutheran - but there is often little rhyme or reason to who beats whom and by how much.  Example: Benedictine annihilated Lakeland by 30, Lakeland beat Concordia Chicago by 13 in a game that wasn't that close, so Benedictine should have their way with CUC, right? Nope. Benedictine goes into Concordia-Chicago and gives up 57 first half points to the Cougars and gets crushed. (CUC's Coach Kollar was a former assistant at BU, by the way.)

This has been your monthly NACC basketball update.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
Those 86 fans that show up for games must really make a difference. All those wins mentioned were by the home team. Thanks for the monthly report!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 17, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
Those 86 fans that show up for games must really make a difference. All those wins mentioned were by the home team. Thanks for the monthly report!

lol. Yes - It's not the fans that give the advantage, but the white-knuckle driving to Plymouth, Wisconsin that does a team in!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 17, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
Those 86 fans that show up for games must really make a difference. All those wins mentioned were by the home team. Thanks for the monthly report!

lol. Yes - It's not the fans that give the advantage, but the white-knuckle driving to Plymouth, Wisconsin that does a team in!

Ha! If the campus was actually in Plymouth, it wouldn't be too bad. Taking 57 out of Plymouth or 42 out of Sheboygan is the problem. Out near Lakeland, those roads are rarely plowed first and the snow drifts can be crazy. When they say Lakeland is out in the middle of nowhere, it's not an exaggeration.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 17, 2019, 03:25:13 PM
 
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 17, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
Those 86 fans that show up for games must really make a difference. All those wins mentioned were by the home team. Thanks for the monthly report!

lol. Yes - It's not the fans that give the advantage, but the white-knuckle driving to Plymouth, Wisconsin that does a team in!

Ha! If the campus was actually in Plymouth, it wouldn't be too bad. Taking 57 out of Plymouth or 42 out of Sheboygan is the problem. Out near Lakeland, those roads are rarely plowed first and the snow drifts can be crazy. When they say Lakeland is out in the middle of nowhere, it's not an exaggeration.

I'm pretty sure that we played football against Lakeland in the late 70's in what turned out to be a cold, blustery, snowy day in Wisconsin. We dressed in an elementary school classroom in what I believe was Howard's Grove and may have even played the game at Howard's Grove HS. Lakeland won something like 12-8 and did not complete a single pass, and in fact ran a QB sneak with three quarterbacks around 20 times. My parents drove around the lake to watch the game and nearly bailed at halftime and I wouldn't have blamed them. Welcome to small school college football in the 1970's.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 22, 2019, 12:12:40 PM
NACC Standings heading into the Holiday Break

1. #19 Benedictine 8-2 (4-1)
2. Wisconsin Lutheran 7-3 (4-1)
3. Lakeland 6-4 (4-1)
4. Concordia Wisconsin 5-4 (4-1)
5. Rockford 5-5 (3-2)
6. Concordia Chicago 3-4 (3-2)
7. Aurora 3-7 (2-3)
8. Edgewood 2-6 (2-3)
9. Dominican 5-5 (1-4)
10. MSOE 4-6 (1-4)
11. Marian 2-8 (1-4)
12. Illinois Tech 1-7 (1-4)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on December 22, 2019, 12:16:40 PM
Christmas/New Years Schedule

12/27

Olivet vs Illinois College (at Hope)

12/28

Illinois Tech at Hope

12/29

UW-Stout vs Edgewood (at St. Norbert)

12/30

Edgewood vs UW-Superior or St. Norbert
Trine at Concordia Chicago
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on December 23, 2019, 08:17:34 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 17, 2019, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on December 17, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2019, 09:18:16 AM
Those 86 fans that show up for games must really make a difference. All those wins mentioned were by the home team. Thanks for the monthly report!

lol. Yes - It's not the fans that give the advantage, but the white-knuckle driving to Plymouth, Wisconsin that does a team in!

Ha! If the campus was actually in Plymouth, it wouldn't be too bad. Taking 57 out of Plymouth or 42 out of Sheboygan is the problem. Out near Lakeland, those roads are rarely plowed first and the snow drifts can be crazy. When they say Lakeland is out in the middle of nowhere, it's not an exaggeration.

I'm pretty sure that we played football against Lakeland in the late 70's in what turned out to be a cold, blustery, snowy day in Wisconsin. We dressed in an elementary school classroom in what I believe was Howard's Grove and may have even played the game at Howard's Grove HS. Lakeland won something like 12-8 and did not complete a single pass, and in fact ran a QB sneak with three quarterbacks around 20 times. My parents drove around the lake to watch the game and nearly bailed at halftime and I wouldn't have blamed them. Welcome to small school college football in the 1970's.

Oh my gosh. I actually went to school at the then Riverview Elementary, which is the one it sounds like you're referring to (it's a daycare now) and it was in pretty bad shape by the time I did; I can't imagine it was much better in the 70s. The idea that they used it as a college football dressing room is utterly ridiculous! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 11, 2020, 02:54:55 PM
WLC takes down #21 Benedictine 66-65 to take sole possession of first place in the NACC. The Warriors were down 40-28 at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 11, 2020, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on January 11, 2020, 02:54:55 PM
WLC takes down #21 Benedictine 66-65 to take sole possession of first place in the NACC. The Warriors were down 40-28 at halftime.

This is certainly a nice win for the Warriors. They are on a nice roll, winning the last eight of nine and remain (in my mind) one of the three league favorites along with Benedictine and Concordia-Wisconsin.

I did not realize until now that the NACC does not have a balanced conference schedule; each team plays every other conference foe twice except for two opponents whom a team only plays once. It's still relatively early in the conference season with many games yet to be played, but it just so happens that Benedictine and Concordia-Wisconsin only play each other once and that is the last game of the regular season which could loom large in determining the league champion. This seems unfortunate for WLC but it's one of those things.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 12, 2020, 12:31:11 PM
Other Scores from yesterday.

Illinois Tech 71 Lakeland 67
Concordia Chicago 104 Dominican 64
Concordia Wisconsin 68 Marian 63
MSOE 65 Edgewood 64
Aurora 87 Rockford 71

NACC Standings as of 1/12

1. Wisconsin Lutheran 10-3 (7-1)
2. #21 Benedictine 10-3 (6-2)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 7-5 (6-2)
4. Rockford 7-6 (5-3)
5. Concordia Chicago 6-6 (5-3)
6. Lakeland 6-7 (4-4)
7. Dominican 7-6 (3-5)
8. MSOE 6-7 (3-5)
9. Illinois Tech 5-8 (3-5)
10. Aurora 4-9 (3-5)
11. Edgewood 3-10 (2-6)
12. Marian 2-11 (1-7)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on January 31, 2020, 08:44:28 AM
NACC Standings through last night.

1. Benedictine 15-3 (11-2)
2. Wisconsin Lutheran 14-4 (11-2)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 11-7 (10-3)
4. MSOE 11-7 (8-5)
5. Rockford 9-9 (7-6)
6. Lakeland 8-10 (6-7)
7. Aurora 6-12 (5-8)
8. Concordia Chicago 6-12 (5-8)
9. Edgewood 6-12 (5-8)
10. Dominican 8-10 (4-9)
11. Illinois Tech 6-12 (4-9)
12. Marian 3-15 (2-11)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 06, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
My alma mater, Lakeland University, just hired former Green Bay Packers running back, Ahman Green, as their new coach!!!!...e-coach...for gaming (e-sports).

??? ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Skinny Lance on February 06, 2020, 04:17:07 PM
Wow, that BU v AU game has to be the biggest blowout I've ever seen in that rivalry. Any chance the Spartans bring back coach Lance Robinson?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 09, 2020, 01:28:07 PM
Benedictine   14-2   18-3
Wisconsin Lutheran   14-2   17-4
Concordia (Wis.)   12-4   13-8
Lakeland   9-7   11-10
MSOE   8-8   11-10
Rockford   8-8   10-11
Illinois Tech   6-10   8-14
Concordia-Chicago   6-10   7-14
Aurora   6-10   7-14
Edgewood   6-10   7-15
Dominican   4-12   8-13
Marian   3-13   4-17
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:12:34 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2020, 10:33:28 AM
According to the conference tracker page, Benedictine is not eligible for the NACC tournament. Are they also not eligible for the NCAAs? Is this their punishment for leaving and then begging to come back after things didn't go as planned?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2020, 11:26:48 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2020, 10:33:28 AM
According to the conference tracker page, Benedictine is not eligible for the NACC tournament. Are they also not eligible for the NCAAs? Is this their punishment for leaving and then begging to come back after things didn't go as planned?

The 2020 conference tracker page is still being worked on and is not linked from the front page for a reason. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on February 17, 2020, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2020, 10:33:28 AM
According to the conference tracker page, Benedictine is not eligible for the NACC tournament. Are they also not eligible for the NCAAs? Is this their punishment for leaving and then begging to come back after things didn't go as planned?
They are eligible.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:13:35 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 22, 2020, 07:41:07 PM
It's been awhile.....

Final Regular Season NACC Standings

1. Benedictine 20-5 (16-4)
2. Wisconsin Lutheran 19-6 (16-4)
3. Concordia Wisconsin 16-9 (15-5)
4. Lakeland 13-12 (11-9)
5. MSOE 13-12 (10-10)
6. Illinois Tech 12-13 (10-10)
7. Rockford 11-14 (9-11)
8. Aurora 10-15 (9-11)
9. Dominican 11-14 (7-13)
10. Concordia Chicago 8-17 (7-13)
11. Edgewood 8-17 (7-13)
12. Marian 4-21 (3-17)

WLC and Benedictine split the conference title. For my alma mater this is their first conference title in 18 years! However the Eagles get the top seed off a coin flip.

NACC Tournament

2/25

#6 Illinois Tech at #3 Concordia Wisconsin
#5 MSOE at #4 Lakeland
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:38:05 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on February 25, 2020, 02:56:58 PM
Quote from: Captain_Joe08 on February 22, 2020, 07:41:07 PM
WLC and Benedictine split the conference title. For my alma mater this is their first conference title in 18 years! However the Eagles get the top seed off a coin flip.

I didn't realize those two teams have exactly the same losses - they split with each other, and each lost at Concordia Wisconsin, at MSOE and at Concordia Chicago. That's actually a big coin toss with both teams having gone 10-0 at home in conference play - in fact, Benedictine hasn't lost at home all season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2020, 10:04:48 PM
WLC and Benedictine go down. Benedictine goes to Pool C.

Concordia and MSOE go for the AQ! Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 03, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2020, 10:04:48 PM
WLC and Benedictine go down. Benedictine goes to Pool C.

Concordia and MSOE go for the AQ! Wow.

And CUW and Benedictine get into the field. Four NACC (2 Men, 2 Women) teams in the tournament this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 15, 2020, 07:13:34 PM
NACC has a new Commissioner

https://naccsports.org/general/2019-20/releases/20200409v89l34
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 13, 2020, 11:30:25 PM
Lakeland U. recruits.

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1260671610119479305?s=20

Cam Jaeger from Oostburg. Very good player.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Titan Q on June 06, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
D3 Benedictine has landed Anthony Lynch, a transfer from D2 Lewis. The 6-3 G averaged 20 pts, 5 reb, 3 assists as a SR at Larkin HS in 2017-18; was 2nd Team IBCA 3A/4A all-state.

Sounds like a big add for BU.

https://lewisflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/anthony-lynch/7829
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 07, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
His high-school career isn't relevant anymore, Bob. What is relevant is that he's played a grand total of 65 minutes spread over two full seasons at Lewis. He has scored 10 points and grabbed four rebounds to date here at the halfway point of his college career.

He could turn out to be a strong player for Benedictine, given that all of that time at the end of the bench over the past two years was spent at the end of the bench on a scholarship-level team. Then again, plenty of guys with that sort of nondescript background at the D2 level transfer to a D3 school and do nothing there, either. Either way, what he did as a 17-year-old playing against other 17-year-olds says nothing about the kind of player he is at this moment as a rising college junior, or what kind of player he'll be in five months when he dons the BU uni for the first time on a game day.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Titan Q on June 07, 2020, 10:43:43 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 07, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
His high-school career isn't relevant anymore, Bob. What is relevant is that he's played a grand total of 65 minutes spread over two full seasons at Lewis. He has scored 10 points and grabbed four rebounds to date here at the halfway point of his college career.

He could turn out to be a strong player for Benedictine, given that all of that time at the end of the bench over the past two years was spent at the end of the bench on a scholarship-level team. Then again, plenty of guys with that sort of nondescript background at the D2 level transfer to a D3 school and do nothing there, either. Either way, what he did as a 17-year-old playing against other 17-year-olds says nothing about the kind of player he is at this moment as a rising college junior, or what kind of player he'll be in five months when he dons the BU uni for the first time on a game day.

I see it differently.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 08, 2020, 04:56:42 PM
The number of players that looked like studs coming out of high school and didn't turn into much of a college stand out is pretty numerous. There are also a high number of players who weren't much in high school and turned into studs in college - Duncan Robinson comes to mind. Robinson didn't blossom until a PG year in high school (which would have been a freshman year for anyone who didn't take an extra year in high school; pretty popular in New England prep schools). He exploded as a freshman ... and we know the rest or the story.

Let's see what happens on the floor. Could go either way.

And I'll say that about pretty much every recruit out of high school. There are some we think will be great we never talk about and others we never saw coming nor their greatness.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Stoppable on June 10, 2020, 01:26:14 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on May 13, 2020, 11:30:25 PM
Lakeland U. recruits.

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1260671610119479305?s=20

Cam Jaeger from Oostburg. Very good player.

Interesting, thanks for posting this! I'm not sure how I feel about the Muskies somehow having even less of a low post presence than they did last year (with Anderson having graduated), but maybe that is just the grumpy old traditionalist in me speaking and it will work when you put it on the floor. Guess we'll have to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 01, 2020, 09:09:21 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 27, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
NACC postpones sports for the FALL Semester.

The date is for December 31, 2020, which basically puts a nail in the coffin for winter sports.

https://www.naccsports.org/general/2020-21/releases/202007253o0rg7
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2020, 01:22:03 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 27, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
NACC postpones sports for the FALL Semester.

The date is for December 31, 2020, which basically puts a nail in the coffin for winter sports.

https://www.naccsports.org/general/2020-21/releases/202007253o0rg7

I don't know that people feel that way about starting winter sports on Jan. 1. A lot of conferences (a lot!) have already come out and said this, and you only need 12 games to qualify for whatever championship there might be.

There is a lot of time for D-III members to get together and say, OK, here's when we want to start play for winter sports, here's what the calendar will be, here's when we will hold a championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Baldini on July 27, 2020, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 27, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
NACC postpones sports for the FALL Semester.

The date is for December 31, 2020, which basically puts a nail in the coffin for winter sports.

https://www.naccsports.org/general/2020-21/releases/202007253o0rg7

Well that sucks!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 27, 2020, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2020, 01:22:03 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 27, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
NACC postpones sports for the FALL Semester.

The date is for December 31, 2020, which basically puts a nail in the coffin for winter sports.

https://www.naccsports.org/general/2020-21/releases/202007253o0rg7

I don't know that people feel that way about starting winter sports on Jan. 1. A lot of conferences (a lot!) have already come out and said this, and you only need 12 games to qualify for whatever championship there might be.

There is a lot of time for D-III members to get together and say, OK, here's when we want to start play for winter sports, here's what the calendar will be, here's when we will hold a championship.

That may be true for winter sports, but this idea of postponing fall sports doesn't seem like it would work out too well. When do they plan on playing all these fall sports anyway? There's spring sports already and winter sports may end later than usual. I just don't see any room to play the fall sports in the spring.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2020, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on July 27, 2020, 05:27:38 PM
I just don't see any room to play the fall sports in the spring.

Well, you wouldn't be alone there. Let's see what schools choose to do, or whether it's even possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Baldini on December 18, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
Edgewood men's and women's basketball teams traveled to St. Paul, Minnesota and played Northwestern on the 12th of December for their first games of the season. Men's team won 71-63 , but the women's team fell in OT 79-75.

These games originally showed as postponed, but they did get played. 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2020, 11:37:33 AM
Quote from: Baldini on December 18, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
Edgewood men's and women's basketball teams traveled to St. Paul, Minnesota and played Northwestern on the 12th of December for their first games of the season. Men's team won 71-63 , but the women's team fell in OT 79-75.

These games originally showed as postponed, but they did get played.

I periodically audit the NCAA stats to make sure we haven't missed any games.  It's basically impossible to know for sure who's playing when this year.  I caught the women's game, but the NCAA hasn't updated men's stats since 11/29, so we're a bit in the dark on that one.  Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 14, 2021, 10:48:31 AM
Good win for CUW last night over ARC preseason favorite Loras. First game I've truly watched this season. Good to see some fans there too. Excited to have the sport back for the next couple of months. The amount of fixtures is going to increase very soon in the Central region and West regions here.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 09, 2021, 10:53:18 AM
NACC Standings as of 2/9

North

Wisconsin Lutheran 3-0 (3-0)
Edgewood 6-3 (3-1)
Lakeland 4-2 (3-1)
Concordia Wisconsin 3-2 (2-2)
MSOE 2-4 (0-3)
Marian 1-4 (0-4)

South

Benedictine 4-1 (4-0)
Aurora 2-1 (2-1)
Rockford 2-3 (1-1)
Concordia Chicago 0-5 (0-2)
Dominican 0-3 (0-3)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 03, 2021, 07:55:25 PM
CUW @ Edgewood in NACC North playoff action up shortly:

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 03, 2021, 08:46:10 PM
Halftime NACC South Update:  Rockford 59, CUC 44

Approx. 13 min. left in 1st half  Benedictine 21, Aurora 14.

Halftime NACC North Update:  WLC 44, Lakeland 35.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 03, 2021, 09:12:33 PM
NACC South Update:  Benedictine 46, Aurora 35.  Half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 03, 2021, 09:44:31 PM
NACC North Final:  Edgewood 83, CUW 81.

                            WLC up by 36 on Lakeland with 32 seconds left.

NACC South Final:  Rockford 98, CUC 92.

                             Aurora and Benedictine are tied at 60 with 8:25 left in 2nd half.

                             
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on March 03, 2021, 09:50:38 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 03, 2021, 09:44:31 PM
NACC North Final:  Edgewood 83, CUW 81.

                            WLC up by 36 on Lakeland with 32 seconds left.


Exciting finish at Edgewood. Edgewood gets a layup off a nice feed at the buzzer to defeat CUW.

Rockford hits late FT's to hold off CUC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 03, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
RF, WLC's going to have an interesting time, given Edgewood's just beat the Warriors twice in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 03, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
NACC South Final:  Aurora 74, Benedictine 67

                            Aurora 14-7 scoring run sealed this one.

Aurora vs. Rockford in South Final.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 06, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
3/6/21 Updates:

North Final:  WLC over Edgewood, 75-65

South           Rockford 53, Aurora 44  Half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 06, 2021, 07:58:14 PM
NACC South game has just gone final:

Rockford 97, Aurora 91

It'll be Rockford/WLC for the overall NACC title.

(If memory serves correctly, it's the first time Rockford has been in a conference final since a few years before the old Northern Athletics Conference was formed,--Regent women's team qualified for the NCAA tournament that year, back when Love Morgan & Co. were on that squad).  (either 03-04 or 04-05 season).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 07, 2021, 10:59:27 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 06, 2021, 07:58:14 PM
NACC South game has just gone final:

Rockford 97, Aurora 91

It'll be Rockford/WLC for the overall NACC title.

(If memory serves correctly, it's the first time Rockford has been in a conference final since a few years before the old Northern Athletics Conference was formed,--Regent women's team qualified for the NCAA tournament that year, back when Love Morgan & Co. were on that squad).  (either 03-04 or 04-05 season).

That'll be the Northern Illinois-Iowa Conference for Rockford. Glad to see some success for the Regents over there. Nice gutcheck win by WLC after Edgewood made a run all the way back from down 20 and the Warriors closing the game on a 10-2 run to seal it.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 12, 2021, 07:32:52 PM
How "The Numbers" Stack Up for the NACC Final:  (Overall:)

Team:                 Rockford                                    WLC
 
PPG:                      85.5 (2nd)                              83.5 (3rd)
FG%:                     50.4 (1st)                               43.2 (9th)
3 FG%:                   39.3 (2nd)                              32.2 (8th)
FT%:                      68.6 (9th)                               74.8 (2nd)
Reb:                       38.3 (4th)                               43.1 (1st)

Reb M:                     +5  (4th)                                +7.8 (1st)
D FG%                    45.3 (6th)                               43.9   (4th)
Pts Allowed              80.8 (8th)                               73.8   (3rd)

Rockford:  The bulk of the Regents scoring to this point appears to have come from Diemer (20 PPG) and Emerick (12.5 PPG). Emerick and Phillips appear to have had the best success from beyond the arc.

WLC:  4 starters average in double figures in scoring-

My question is, if this turns into a fast-break game, how well will the Warriors keep up? (I know they put a 105-pt game up earlier in the playoffs. but--)     
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on March 13, 2021, 07:50:40 PM
At Half: WLC 34 Rockford 27

WLC: Bernhagen 13 pts
RU: Emerick 7 pts
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 13, 2021, 08:54:20 PM
Final:  WLC 78, Rockford 71.

(That against a Regent squad that had scored more than 90 points in its' previous 2 games yet.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 23, 2021, 06:45:05 AM
News update on a former IL Tech player here:

https://www.illinoistechathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20210322upeilx
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 13, 2021, 09:05:23 AM
So is St. Norbert going to dominate men's basketball like they did in the MWC??
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 13, 2021, 04:51:08 PM
21-22 race is going to be wide open, imho.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 13, 2021, 05:08:17 PM
St  Norbert All-Time Record vs. Future NACC Opponents:

Aurora                    1-1                                      (1973-74, 2002-03)
Benedictine             6-4                                      (1982-83 thru 2019-20)
CUC                       3-1                                       (1994-95 thru 2008-09)
CUW                     21-13                                    (1924-25 thru 2003-04)
Dominican              1-2                                       (1993-94 thru 2008-09)
Edgewood             10-6                                      (1978-79 thru 2001-02)
IL Tech                  7-1                                       (1956-57 thru 1980-81)
Lakeland               65-32                                    (1932-33 thru 2010-11)
Marian                    5-3                                      (1988-89 thru 2012-13)
MSOE                   18-1                                      (1933-34 thru 2011-12
Rockford                 1-0                                      (2007-08)
WLC                       0-3                                      (1994-95 thru 1996-97)
               
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 15, 2021, 12:56:03 PM
Apparently they've become"too good" for the NACC in the past. They've barely played them recently. Despite being only about an hour away from both Lakeland (Sheboygan) and Marian (Fond Du Lac), they haven't played either school for 8-10 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 16, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
Is the NACC making SNC sit out a year or two for their conference tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on September 09, 2021, 02:38:01 PM
SNC plays an exhibition game at Notre Dame... Yes, that Notre Dame, on Nov. 5.

The Green Knights also travel across town to play UW -Green Bay on Oct. 29. UWGB barely won, 79-72, two years ago...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
So it looks like the NACC is going to two divisions. The preseason poll is out and has WLC, SNC and Concordia (WI) as 1, 2, 3. When it comes to tournament seeding, are the winners of each division given the top 2 seeds in the conference tournament?  However, the NACC website has the standings as one division...thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on October 30, 2021, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on October 30, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
So it looks like the NACC is going to two divisions. The preseason poll is out and has WLC, SNC and Concordia (WI) as 1, 2, 3. When it comes to tournament seeding, are the winners of each division given the top 2 seeds in the conference tournament?  However, the NACC website has the standings as one division...thoughts?
Do not think it is 2 divisions yet.  The north and south was for last year with covid.  As far I know it is back to 1 division 6 teams make it top 2 get the bye
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: FiredCoachesPod on November 04, 2021, 10:14:31 PM
On the eve of another great D3 college basketball season, I wanted to share an interview with a former NACC head coach. I coached D3 basketball for 12 seasons in the state of Wisconsin. Hope you enjoy!

Episode #5 - Andrew Weber (former Rockford University head coach)

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fired-coaches-podcast/id1515593651
Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/1WW8i6V6xhVtHOuC93JGtZ
Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/firedcoachespod
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on November 24, 2021, 08:22:47 AM
Good win for SNC and the NACC last night as SNC beat UWEC on the road 60-55
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 24, 2021, 10:08:15 AM
NACC reigning POTW Pitrof had another strong game as MSOE opened up in-conference play by knocking off Lakeland on the road, 80-71.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 01, 2021, 07:52:10 PM
12/1 NACC In-Conference Schedule:

Edgewood/CUC
Lakeland/St. Norbert
Marian/Rockford
Dominican/Benedictine
IL Tech/Aurora
WLC/CUW
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 01, 2021, 09:32:04 PM
Final:  St. Norbert 65, Lakeland 61 (Green Knights led until about 8 1/2 min into 2nd half, for about the next 9 minutes there were a boatload of lead changes, until St. Norbert hit shots and got key stops late to get this win.)

Final:  Benedictine 76, Dominican 45 (IL Eagles hit 8 3-pt shots)

Final:  Aurora 67, IL Tech 44. (Spartans also hit 8 shots from beyond the arc)

Final:  CUC 82, Edgewood 58. (Cougars third winning team to hit 8 3-pointers tonight)

Final:  Rockford 90, Marian 79. (Regents 54 points in paint, hit 7 3-pointers)
                                                   
Final:  WLC 92, CUW 85 (Warriors, trailing by 15 at halftime, outscored the Falcons 58-36 to stun CUW)





Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 05, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
Lakeland beats Dominican. The Muskies nearly blow a 21 point HT lead. Cam Jaeger with a big game, 31 pts, 5 rebs, 4 3's. I watched him at Oostburg a few times, just down the road from me. Jaeger leads the league in scoring. My kid currently attends Oostburg elementary.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2022, 06:45:22 PM
THIS JUST IN:

All NACC men's teams will be in this season's conference tournament, seeing as due to COVID-related cancellations and what-not, this makes up for in-regular season out-of-balance number of games played.

The following 2/19/22 NACC games will be cancelled.

WLC/MSOE
CUW/Lakland
Aurora/Benedictine
Rockford/IL Tech
St. Norbert/Edgewood
Dominican/CUC

Top 3 finishers get 1st round byes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 29, 2022, 12:26:31 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 27, 2022, 06:45:22 PM
THIS JUST IN:

All NACC men's teams will be in this season's conference tournament, seeing as due to COVID-related cancellations and what-not, this makes up for in-regular season out-of-balance number of games played.

The following 2/19/22 NACC games will be cancelled.

WLC/MSOE
CUW/Lakland
Aurora/Benedictine
Rockford/IL Tech
St. Norbert/Edgewood
Dominican/CUC

Top 3 finishers get 1st round byes.

Thanks for the note. I guess that this is okay? The NACC is so unpredictable from game to game this year (and in general) that I would not be excited about this if I were a top-six team in the regular season standings; it's just an extra opportunity to get knocked off in the league tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 29, 2022, 10:59:20 PM
I'm not sure who's looking this board besides WLCALUM83, but the conference had a pretty surprising win tonight, with CUC beating Illinois Wesleyan in OT. This is why the conference having all the teams comprising the league tournament is such a major development to me; you never know who is going to get hot during one game and knock out a favored team. (Especially when I don't think the NACC has a real heads-and-shoulders favorite team this year.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on February 10, 2022, 09:08:45 AM
High level game last night at SNC as SNC defeated WLC 74-71 to create a 3 way tie atop the NACC.  SNC took a 20 point lead early and WLC was able to get the score tied at half.  The second half WLC built a 10 point lead at 69-59.  SNC went on an 11-0 run to take the lead with 2:33 left at 70-69. Stolz was really good for WLC surprised they did not do more to get him a look in the final 2 possessions. Especially after timeouts.
The NACC conference tournament should be a good one.  I would put CUW as the favorite with way they have been playing lately and the experience they have.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 12, 2022, 09:40:03 PM
What a conference. NINE teams are tied in the loss column (6) atop the standings. Five teams are 10-6, Three teams are 9-6, and one team is 8-6. I would also favor Concordia Wisconsin for the same reason cjnick12 states.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:53:34 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2022, 08:18:31 AM
NACC Tournament Matchups:

#1 CUC, #2 CUW and #3 St. Norbert get opening round byes (Green Knights' strong 1st year NACC performance continues).

#4 IL Tech vs. #13 Dominican
#5 Marian vs. #12 Aurora
#6 WLC vs. #11 MSOE (more fuel for this crosstown rivalry)
#7 Benedictine vs. #10 Lakeland
#8 Edgewood vs. #9 Rockford

(as if the regular season wasn't wild enough)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 17, 2022, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2022, 08:18:31 AM
NACC Tournament Matchups:

#1 CUC, #2 CUW and #3 St. Norbert get opening round byes (Green Knights' strong 1st year NACC performance continues).

#4 IL Tech vs. #13 Dominican
#5 Marian vs. #12 Aurora
#6 WLC vs. #11 MSOE (more fuel for this crosstown rivalry)
#7 Benedictine vs. #10 Lakeland
#8 Edgewood vs. #9 Rockford

(as if the regular season wasn't wild enough)

I think that any of the 1-9 seeds has a legitimate shot to win the tournament (which is crazy), but I'd put my money on CUW right now if I was forced to choose one team.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on February 18, 2022, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 17, 2022, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 17, 2022, 08:18:31 AM
NACC Tournament Matchups:

#1 CUC, #2 CUW and #3 St. Norbert get opening round byes (Green Knights' strong 1st year NACC performance continues).

#4 IL Tech vs. #13 Dominican
#5 Marian vs. #12 Aurora
#6 WLC vs. #11 MSOE (more fuel for this crosstown rivalry)
#7 Benedictine vs. #10 Lakeland
#8 Edgewood vs. #9 Rockford

(as if the regular season wasn't wild enough)

I think that any of the 1-9 seeds has a legitimate shot to win the tournament (which is crazy), but I'd put my money on CUW right now if I was forced to choose one team.

I agree having seen every team play on any given night any one of those 9 can beat the other.  WLC at 6 seed is dangerous.  My son plays at SNC so I am little biased towards them.  IF SNC rebounds their defense will make them tough to beat. I still like all the experience for CUW.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 20, 2022, 11:23:14 AM
2/19 NACC Opening Round Finals:

#8 Edgewood 92, #9 Rockford 86
#5 Marian 76, #12 Aurora 75 OT
#4 IL Tech 70, #13 Dominican 58
#6 WLC 88, #11 MSOE 55
#7 Benedictine 87, #10 Lakeland 63


Quarterfinal Matchups:

#1 CUC vs. #8 Edgewood
#2 CUW vs. #7 Benedictine
#3 St. Norbert vs. #6 WLC
#4 IL Tech vs. #5 Marian

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 22, 2022, 01:20:51 PM
Tournament Schedule Update:

Due to icy conditions, the Men's games have been pushed back to tomorrow night.

St. Norbert will end up doing a double-dip at home, with the women playing Rockford at 6:00 pm and the men going against WLC at 8:00 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on February 24, 2022, 08:23:32 AM
Another great game between WLC and SNC last night.  All 3 games WLC got off to real slow starts offensively. Stiede made some really tough shots for WLC down the stretch.  SNC had a hard time containing the drives all 2nd half and then went with a 4 guard lineup instead of their normal 3 guards and 2 bigs. 
WLC was able to shut down Bolwerk most of the night.  He had 2 huge 3's late including one in OT as the shot clock expired.  Mike Payant had a huge night again against WLC going for 24 and 15.
SNC outscored WLC in OT 21-12

SNC is at CUW Friday
Marian is at CUC Friday

Marian might be the hottest team in the NACC.  They are a turnover away from being the 1 seed and outright conference champs
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 25, 2022, 09:34:41 AM
Quote from: cjnick12 on February 24, 2022, 08:23:32 AM
SNC is at CUW Friday
Marian is at CUC Friday

Marian might be the hottest team in the NACC.  They are a turnover away from being the 1 seed and outright conference champs

All four semi-final teams are playing their best basketball down the stretch (Marian - won 6 of last 7 with the loss being by one point to Rockford; CUW - won 7 of last 8; CUC - won 7 of last 9 and 12-3 in 2022; St. Norbert - won 4 of last 5) which is probably what you'd expect at this point for teams remaining in the tournament.

I didn't realize that Marian was that close to winning the league, but the top nine were only separated by one game in the loss column so it makes sense. There are probably a LOT of NACC teams thinking to themselves, "If only we had done this ONE THING, we would have home court throughout the tournament."

Bolwerk's OT trey with the shot clock expiring was not only Top 10 worthy but also made me laugh and think, "WLC - this is just not your day".

CUW-St. Norbert is going to be very interesting. Although I am a CC-RF guy, I have to think that the CUW-St.Norbert winner will be favored to win the title regardless. Plus, if CUC goes down, the CUW-St.Norbert winner hosts the finals.

Good luck to you Green Knights!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 25, 2022, 10:02:23 PM
2/25 Men's NACC Updates:

#5 Marian upset #1 CUC 52-49 (Sabers' Gouin's jumper with 1:47 remaining held up, Cougars missed on 3 potential game-tying 3 pointers after that.)

#2 CUW 88, #3 St. Norbert 79 13 seconds left

CUW vs. Marian for the NACC AQ

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 26, 2022, 07:14:01 AM
CUW played a nice inside-outside game in the second half. vs. St. Norbert. They found themselves with many easy looks underneath and then canned open 3's to open up a second half lead that the Green Knights could not overcome.

CUC picked the wrong night to go cold. 2-20 from behind the arc kind of says it all. Brrrrrrr.

Concordia had a really fine season - the best they have had in at least 20 years? (Their archive only goes back 20 years, but I think it's longer than that.)

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on February 26, 2022, 11:43:16 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on February 26, 2022, 07:14:01 AM
CUW played a nice inside-outside game in the second half. vs. St. Norbert. They found themselves with many easy looks underneath and then canned open 3's to open up a second half lead that the Green Knights could not overcome.

CUC picked the wrong night to go cold. 2-20 from behind the arc kind of says it all. Brrrrrrr.

Concordia had a really fine season - the best they have had in at least 20 years? (Their archive only goes back 20 years, but I think it's longer than that.)

Hoffman has been really good this year for CUW.  Shooting 48% from 3 is crazy.  The Keller injury did not look good and he came back for the 2nd half at about 50% but it gave them a huge spark and helped the offense run.

Marian vs CUW should be a good one.  Both teams can score. As a Marian Alum have to go with the Sabres
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 27, 2022, 04:56:17 PM
Final:  Marian 77, CUW 71 (First appearance for the Sabers in the NCAA Tournament since 2014, when they gave #1 UW-Stevens Point all they could handle before losing by 2 points)

Britton 28. and Gouin 24 pts respectively for the Sabers in today's win. Falcons got as close as 2 after trailing by as many as 14 early in the second half, but Marian was able to come up with an answer on every run.

Congrats to the Sabers!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 27, 2022, 05:14:18 PM
Congratulations to Marian! They had a nice run towards the end of the first half and made some clutch shots late in the game when CUW was mounting a comeback. I was impressed that Marian didn't get rattled (too much) in front of CUW's home crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on February 27, 2022, 10:37:19 PM
Hats off to Coach Diener.  When I saw them play SNC in December that team was going nowhere.  He got those kids to buy in on both sides of the court. 
Gouin is so good in the mid range. 

I thought they were in real trouble when both bigs had 4 fouls and Henderson fouled out.  Give little used freshman Ewer a ton of credit for being ready when called upon.

As a Sabre alum proud of the program tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Just Bill on April 22, 2022, 05:32:46 PM
Disappointing development at BenU

https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/04/bunkenburg-out-at-benedictine
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 22, 2022, 06:18:40 PM
Pretty hard to defend using that word...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 23, 2022, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on April 22, 2022, 06:18:40 PM
Pretty hard to defend using that word...

Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cubs on July 12, 2022, 10:07:52 AM
Nice read on a couple of former Edgewood players who are now experiencing success in the NBA...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2022/07/12/seth-cooper-and-chris-demarco-help-steve-kerr-coach-warriors/10014222002/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on July 19, 2022, 05:21:22 PM
SNC 2022-2023 schedule:

https://athletics.snc.edu/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on July 20, 2022, 06:10:31 AM
I always found it strange that SNC and Stevens Point don't play on a regular basis, despite only being an hour and a half away from each other. They have a nice hockey rivalry, even now that they aren't (and haven't been for a long time) in the same conference. For some reason I think I've said this before and I'm sure I've been given an explanation.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 04, 2022, 07:43:11 PM
https://lakelandmuskies.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23

In my summer boredom, I found Lakeland's schedule for next season. I'm excited to see that Greenville is coming to the cornfields. Lakeland plays SNC in conference two days beforehand, so we'll see how Lakeland approaches this game. Should be a fun one and I hope they advertise this game for those who don't know Greenville. It is disappointing to see that the Muskies can't fill their schedule with D3 opponents as they have not one, but two, non D3 opponents in Moody Bible Institute and Cardinal Stritch. At least they aren't playing Silver Lake this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 05, 2022, 01:50:35 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on August 04, 2022, 07:43:11 PM
https://lakelandmuskies.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23

In my summer boredom, I found Lakeland's schedule for next season. I'm excited to see that Greenville is coming to the cornfields. Lakeland plays SNC in conference two days beforehand, so we'll see how Lakeland approaches this game. Should be a fun one and I hope they advertise this game for those who don't know Greenville. It is disappointing to see that the Muskies can't fill their schedule with D3 opponents as they have not one, but two, non D3 opponents in Moody Bible Institute and Cardinal Stritch. At least they aren't playing Silver Lake this year.

You'd have a real scoop for the local paper if they were, considering that Silver Lake College closed its doors for good two years ago. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: hopefan on August 05, 2022, 07:40:44 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 05, 2022, 01:50:35 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on August 04, 2022, 07:43:11 PM
https://lakelandmuskies.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23

In my summer boredom, I found Lakeland's schedule for next season. I'm excited to see that Greenville is coming to the cornfields. Lakeland plays SNC in conference two days beforehand, so we'll see how Lakeland approaches this game. Should be a fun one and I hope they advertise this game for those who don't know Greenville. It is disappointing to see that the Muskies can't fill their schedule with D3 opponents as they have not one, but two, non D3 opponents in Moody Bible Institute and Cardinal Stritch. At least they aren't playing Silver Lake this year.

You'd have a real scoop for the local paper if they were, considering that Silver Lake College closed its doors for good two years ago. ;)

Heck Greg... if Ohio Midwestern could do it a couple years ago, why not Silver Lake???? ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 05, 2022, 08:56:45 AM
Excellent analogy. I always had the suspicion that Silver Lake College was the kind of school that, if you walked into a diner in Manitowoc and asked someone for directions to the Silver Lake campus, he or she might very well have no idea what you were talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on August 05, 2022, 12:25:30 PM
The local paper is trash. I probably knew that when it happened two years ago, but deleted it from my memory.

I can basically say that for Lakeland too. There is hardly any press in Sheboygan actually promoting Lakeland events. For those who don't know, Lakeland isn't even in Sheboygan. It's in the cornfields 15 minutes outside of the city with a Plymouth address. The furthest any students come into town is probably the Northside Walmart. It's sad, actually.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 10, 2022, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on August 05, 2022, 12:25:30 PM
The local paper is trash. I probably knew that when it happened two years ago, but deleted it from my memory.

I can basically say that for Lakeland too. There is hardly any press in Sheboygan actually promoting Lakeland events. For those who don't know, Lakeland isn't even in Sheboygan. It's in the cornfields 15 minutes outside of the city with a Plymouth address. The furthest any students come into town is probably the Northside Walmart. It's sad, actually.

I was actually in downtown Sheboygan just this weekend including eating dinner there on Friday night. Seems like a nice place. Perhaps the Lakelanders are a wild bunch that have been banned from the downtown area?  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on October 24, 2022, 09:11:45 PM
SNC plays UWGB tomorrow in an exhibition game.  Will be great to be back in the gym again
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 09, 2022, 07:41:28 AM
A good start for the conference as all four NACC teams - Aurora, Dominican, Rockford, and Concordia-Chicago posted wins on the opening night of regular season play. The "best" win was . . .?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2022, 09:08:47 AM
Uh. Lakeland.

They were picked 10th in the NACC and they opened up against Lake Forest, picked 6th in the MWC. They came out smoking, jumping out to a 16-2 lead.

Double digits basically the rest of the way. LFC got it to 10 a couple of times, but LU responded each time.

Cam Jaeger, one Lakeland's better players, didn't even suit up. Injured.

https://lakelandmuskies.com/news/2022/11/8/11-08-22MBBvsLFC.aspx

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on November 09, 2022, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: hopefan on August 05, 2022, 07:40:44 AM
You'd have a real scoop for the local paper if they were, considering that Silver Lake College closed its doors for good two years ago.

Not to mention the fact that it was not called Silver Lake College when it closed.

The Pheasants being known for one of the more peculiar rebranding efforts.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 09, 2022, 03:54:59 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 09, 2022, 09:08:47 AM
Uh. Lakeland.

They were picked 10th in the NACC and they opened up against Lake Forest, picked 6th in the MWC. They came out smoking, jumping out to a 16-2 lead.

Double digits basically the rest of the way. LFC got it to 10 a couple of times, but LU responded each time.

Cam Jaeger, one Lakeland's better players, didn't even suit up. Injured.

https://lakelandmuskies.com/news/2022/11/8/11-08-22MBBvsLFC.aspx

I would agree.

Here is what I learned from clicking on the link you provided: The gym at Lakeland is named for someone who goes by the name of "Moose". That is pure awesomeness.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2022, 04:17:34 PM
Quote from: RFMichigan on November 09, 2022, 03:54:59 PM
Here is what I learned from clicking on the link you provided: The gym at Lakeland is named for someone who goes by the name of "Moose". That is pure awesomeness.

The 1970 and 1971 Pittsburgh Pirates had three pitchers named Bob Moose, Bob Veale, and John Lamb.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 13, 2022, 11:07:02 AM
11/8

Aurora 97 Maranatha 49
Dominican 76 Beloit 63
Lakeland 98 Lake Forest 72
Concordia Chicago 98 Loras 88

11/9

#24 Wheaton (IL) 84 Benedictine 68

11/10

Illinois Tech 98 Cal Lutheran 89

11/11

Wisconsin Lutheran 103 Martin Luther 53
Eureka 79 Aurora 73
Bethany Lutheran 97 MSOE 80
Rockford 87 Minnesota-Morris 52
Ripon 68 St. Norbert 55

11/12

Principia 93 Dominican 65
MSOE 85 Martin Luther 45
Rockford 105 Maranatha 62
Concordia Chicago 97 Knox 65
Bethany Lutheran 95 Wisconsin Lutheran 78
Caltech 64 Illinois Tech 58
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2022, 02:18:52 PM
I went to 4 of those games....and Carroll vs Dubuque. The atmosphere at the Ripon game was really nice. Loud, vocal, student section.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2022, 07:20:10 AM
If anyone is interested in following my adventures in the Wisconsin D3 Basketball Challenge, I moved the thread to the multi regional section since it is multi regional after all. It mostly involves teams from the WIAC, MWC, NACC and the two Wisconsin based CCIW teams.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=9368.0
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 16, 2022, 01:41:57 PM
Entertaining game last night in Mequon. Weird how Con WI first game of the season is a conference game.

https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2022-23/boxscores/20221115_32ey.xml?view=boxscore

https://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2022-23/contrib/20221116i2hc6v

I traveled south down Interstate 43 to Mequon last night to catch the Concordia WI v Concordia Chicago game. It was the NACC opener for both and, interestingly, it was the host's season opener as well. I think it kind of sucks to have your first game a conference game, but I'll leave that up to Concordia's scheduling gurus.

Of the 6 games I've been to, it was, by far, the best, most competitive game. The only game won by single digits...87-85 to the southsiders. I don't think there was a lead larger than single digits.

Jared Jurss went to the line with less than 3 seconds left down 3 and made the 1st FT. After a timeout, I'm pretty sure he tried to miss the 2nd one, but it rolled in. Con WI still had a chance after fouling right away. Con Chicago missed the 1st, but made the 2nd. A 3/4 court desperation heave wasn't even close and Con Chicago escaped with the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on November 17, 2022, 01:47:16 AM
Yeah it seems the CUC basketball programs at this point may have a slight leg up on the CUW programs. I think it may be a bit more even as the season goes on.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2022, 07:41:58 AM
Gym #7 found me in Fond du Lac with Marian hosting #23 ranked Elmhurst. An electric crowd welcomed the visitors. Marian more than handled their opponents and lead by 3 at the break. It could've been more. They were up 6 with the ball with about 8 seconds left. However, they coughed the ball up on the inbounds play and Elmhurst ended up with a "and-1" play.

Marian increased their lead in the 2nd half, but that's when Elmhurst went on a huge run and basically put the game away. The taller, more athletic visitors dominated the boards. It was still an uncomfortable 10 point lead with about 5 minutes to go, but the Sabres just ran out of gas.

Sadoff gym is really small. There is literally no walk way between the stands and the player bench and between the wall and the end lines. If play was going on, you'd feel uncomfortable trying to walk past either spots. It was a nice intimate gym as the crowd was literally on top of the players. The Marian fans were a treat and the student section filled up most of the opposite side stands. This site says Sadoff holds 1100. The box score says there were just over 400. There's no way you're getting another 400 in there, let alone 700 to make up the 1100 capacity.

I mentioned this on Twitter. Have you ever seen Saved By the Bell? You remember the basketball game scenes? This reminded me of that...almost like the court was smaller than it was supposed to be, like on the show. It's definitely not a criticism. I'd rather have 500 fans at Sadoff than 500 fans at WLC's Tex Center that apparently holds 2500.

Find the public Facebook group: Wisconsin D3 Basketball Challenge and check out some pictures or follow me on Twitter @greektragedy08
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 19, 2022, 03:56:05 PM
Edgewood up 39-36 on Stevens Point. No stopping big Jake Schroeckenthaler. 12 and 9 so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on November 20, 2022, 09:32:14 PM
Looking forward to CUC's game at Carroll this Tuesday. Cougars are off to fine 3-0 start including road wins at Loras and Concordia Wisconsin. Scoring has been very balanced and defense is forcing lots of turnovers. Should be a fun team to watch this season!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on November 22, 2022, 11:03:02 PM
CUC 73, Carroll 67. Cougars now 4-0 but not before a few anxious moments late. It was business as usual in the first half as CUC forced the hosts into several turnovers and built a 20-point lead. However, the Pioneers cleaned things up at halftime, hit some threes and made a game of it. Carroll got as close as five before the visitors wrapped up their third road win.

Jordan Matthews led the Cougars with 18 points. The team now has a week off before traveling to Edgewood next Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2022, 12:24:48 PM
Lakeland won again, moving to 3-0. They beat Martin Luther 104-75 as AC player Cam Jaeger made his season debut with 28. I'm not getting too excited yet because the Muskies have been beating up on perennial bottom-feeders Finlandia and Martin Luther, and Lake Forest is 1-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 23, 2022, 12:32:19 PM
I think that this year's NACC conference race will be just as tight as last year's; maybe an even more balanced conference than last year. It will, of course, shake itself out, but the conference has had some good non-conference showings so far.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2022, 08:07:23 PM
Greenville comes to my Alma Mater next week. They may not be good, but Greenville can still be fun to watch. Stout's Brody Fox scored 70 against Greenville. I don't see any of Lakeland's players doing that, but it would be nice to see Oostburg graduate (my kid goes there) Cam Jaeger score some points.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on November 29, 2022, 10:23:29 PM
CUC 79, Edgewood 78. Cougars now 5-0, 2-0 NACC.

After sweating out the USMNT win earlier today, I thought the Cougars would make it easy on me when they took a 19-point lead midway through the second half. But the Eagles came soaring back behind Traeder and Schroeckenthaler to take a late lead. It was William Bishop-Green to the rescue with two buckets that tied and then gave CUC the lead. Jordan Matthews scored the next four points at the FT line, and that was enough to withstand a last second three. Always good to have the ball in Matthews' hands in a close game!

Cougars home to IIT on Saturday. Looks like they had a barn burner v Aurora tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 29, 2022, 10:30:26 PM
Justin Greenlee missed the entire second half for CUC. I don't think it's a coincidence that Edgewood made their comeback with him out.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on November 30, 2022, 12:42:14 PM
Busy Opening Night on the NACC. Anyone have thoughts on the other conference games?

at Marian 76, Rockford 64
Aurora 78 at IIT 76
Benedictine 78 at Dominican 63
at WLC 88, CUW 73
St. Norbert 95 at Lakeland 56
MSOE idle
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 30, 2022, 03:59:43 PM
Quote from: Second Wind on November 30, 2022, 12:42:14 PM
Busy Opening Night on the NACC. Anyone have thoughts on the other conference games?

at Marian 76, Rockford 64
Aurora 78 at IIT 76
Benedictine 78 at Dominican 63
at WLC 88, CUW 73
St. Norbert 95 at Lakeland 56
MSOE idle

I know St. Norbert was voted #1 in the conference pre-season poll, but that is quite a score vs. Lakeland.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on December 02, 2022, 11:02:37 AM
That's quite a record Lakeland must've set with a 99-point jump from one game (56, St. Norbert) to the next (155, Greenville). I know teams routinely score triple digits against Greenville, but still...
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 03, 2022, 08:32:20 PM
I turned on the stream for the CUC-IIT game and noted that there was no sound and no one was on the court - seemingly halftime. The score: 19-19. I took a double-take and saw that, yes, it was indeed halftime. A check of the play-by-play revealed that CUC scored a field goal at the 17 minute mark and then didn't score again until they hit a free throw at the 8 minute mark. They didn't score another field goal until the 4 minute mark. 13 minutes without a field goal!

Fortunately for CUC, IIT was only able to build a 13 point lead by that point which CUC manage to erase by halftime. CUC went on to have a "normal" second half but IIT . . . didn't. CUC won the game 57-42.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on December 03, 2022, 09:06:31 PM
CUC's first half was indeed a nightmare, and they were fortunate to even be in the game. Cougars were 0-15 on threes and also missed several layups. But defense kept them in it, holding IIT scoreless the final five minutes.

The Cougars found the three-ball after the break as Wilson, Hatten and Matthews built the lead to double digits. Freshman Elijah White gave CUC some quality minutes off the bench. The end result saw the Cougars improve to 6-0, 3-0 in conference.

Defense bottled up the Scarlet Hawks' top two scorers. Dugalic was in foul trouble and scored just four points. Reale had a rough shooting night and was held to seven points. Garrison Carter topped IIT with 14 points.

Good night for the home teams except for WLC falling to Edgewood. I was impressed by how St.  Norbert handled Aurora.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 12:31:59 AM
The Lakeland Muskies might be the most balanced team the NACC has seen in a while. SIX different players now avg. between 15.2ppg and 10.1ppg. Five of them can really shot the 3!!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on December 06, 2022, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 12:31:59 AM
The Lakeland Muskies might be the most balanced team the NACC has seen in a while. SIX different players now avg. between 15.2ppg and 10.1ppg. Five of them can really shot the 3!!

Did you come to that conclusion before or after Lakeland scored 56 points against St. Norbert?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 04:35:26 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on December 06, 2022, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: itsnotmeitsyou on December 06, 2022, 12:31:59 AM
The Lakeland Muskies might be the most balanced team the NACC has seen in a while. SIX different players now avg. between 15.2ppg and 10.1ppg. Five of them can really shot the 3!!

Did you come to that conclusion before or after Lakeland scored 56 points against St. Norbert?
Yes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on December 10, 2022, 10:13:38 PM
CUC 95, Marian 87. Cougars now 7-0, 4-0 NACC.

Cougars get a bit of payback after Sabres won in conference semifinal last season. CUC also handed Marian its first conference loss after the Sabres posted an impressive road win at St. Norbert earlier in the week.

Emanuel Wilson scored 26 points (possibly a career high), knocking down several clutch shots, both inside and outside. Jordan Matthews hit for 21, and 7-footer Liam Cameron hit all four of his shots in a three minute span of the second half. Cameron drove the crowd nuts when he blocked a shot at one end of the floor and then finished off an alley-oop pass from Justin Greenlee on the other end.

The Sabres were difficult to put away despite an unusually quiet night by David Britton (3 points, 1-4 shooting in 30 minutes). Josh Nicklaus and Carson Talbert each scored 20 and Tyler Gouin 18.  Nicklaus buried six of nine treys, and Marian was 15 of 27 from long range.

CUC plays at Benedictine next Saturday before conference play resumes in January.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2022, 12:50:34 AM
The Muskies blow a 24-point halftime lead and lose in OT to Aurora 97-92. Ouch.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 11, 2022, 12:56:16 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2022, 12:50:34 AM
The Muskies blow a 24-point halftime lead and lose in OT to Aurora 97-92. Ouch.
"Holy Moses, Batman!!"  The number of things that need to go wrong sequentially to allow that to happens are exceedingly large.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 11, 2022, 12:59:30 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on December 11, 2022, 12:50:34 AM
The Muskies blow a 24-point halftime lead and lose in OT to Aurora 97-92. Ouch.
I'm guessing allowing 32 points off of your 22 turnovers doesn't help protect a 24pt half-time lead!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: gbpuckfan on December 17, 2022, 08:15:07 PM
SNC scored with :02.7 left to take the lead. UWEC can't make the 3 for the win and Green Knights get the victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on December 17, 2022, 10:49:26 PM
CUC 87 at Benedictine 74, Cougars now 8-0, 5-0 NACC, they tie the 1978-79 team for best start out of the gates.

Cougars trailed by three at the half but outscored the Eagles 28-7 over the first nine minutes of second half. Emanuel Wilson and Brent Hatten hit threes to tie and then give CUC the lead for good. Jordan Matthews led the way with 20 points while Hatten and Wilson added 17 each. Justin Greenlee handed out 10 assists to go with nine points.

Next up for Cougars is two game trip to California to take on Cal Lutheran and Whittier Dec. 28-29. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to all of you! Enjoy your fill of holiday tournaments!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 17, 2022, 11:10:59 PM
Yikes! After blowing a 24-pt halftime lead vs Aurora and losing in OT, the Muskies blow a 14-pt halftime lead at MSOE However, they outscore the Raiders 19-11 in OT and escape with a 97-89. They are now 2-2 in conference and 7-3 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 18, 2022, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: Second Wind on December 17, 2022, 10:49:26 PM
CUC 87 at Benedictine 74, Cougars now 8-0, 5-0 NACC, they tie the 1978-79 team for best start out of the gates.

Next up for Cougars is two game trip to California to take on Cal Lutheran and Whittier Dec. 28-29. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to all of you! Enjoy your fill of holiday tournaments!

By the way, after that 8-0 start, the 78-79 team was slightly under .500 for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on December 28, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
at Cal Lutheran 79, CUC 61, Cougars now 8-1.

On paper, a ninth straight win for CUC looked favorable, but the Cougars were sub-par in a few key areas in suffering their first loss.

The Kingsmen won on the glass 37-26. Fourteen of those boards were on the offensive end, resulting in 19 second-chance points. The Cougars lost the turnover battle 15-12, with the Kingsmen holding an 18-12 advantage in points off TOs. Finally, Cougars shot a chilling 6-26 from long range.

Jacob Collicott was only Cougar in double figures with 14 points while Jordan Matthews had a quiet night with seven points. Normal starter Brent Hatten did not play tonight, and the Cougars missed his 12.0 points and 3.8 rebounds.

The Cougars will try to start a new winning streak tomorrow night when they play Whittier College.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 28, 2022, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: Second Wind on December 28, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
at Cal Lutheran 79, CUC 61, Cougars now 8-1.

On paper, a ninth straight win for CUC looked favorable, but the Cougars were sub-par in a few key areas in suffering their first loss.

The Kingsmen won on the glass 37-26. Fourteen of those boards were on the offensive end, resulting in 19 second-chance points. The Cougars lost the turnover battle 15-12, with the Kingsmen holding an 18-12 advantage in points off TOs. Finally, Cougars shot a chilling 6-26 from long range.

Jacob Collicott was only Cougar in double figures with 14 points while Jordan Matthews had a quiet night with seven points. Normal starter Brent Hatten did not play tonight, and the Cougars missed his 12.0 points and 3.8 rebounds.

The Cougars will try to start a new winning streak tomorrow night when they play Whittier College.

CUC doesn't really have a "post player" in their starting line-up, but Hatten comes the closest to what a post player will do. He's solidly built and usually takes the opponent's post-up guy (if they have one) on defense and does have some post-up ability of his own although he is primarily a perimeter player with a good three-point shot. I thought Cal Lutheran did a really nice job of using their post player both as a scoring option, a kick-out/assist guy, and an offensive rebounder. CUC got hammered on the boards - the 37-26 margin was much worse through through the first 30 minutes and I'm not sure Hatten changes that. At that point Cal Lutheran started hitting their threes and it was all she wrote for the Cougars win streak.

The first half was a back-and-forth affair, but when Matthews went out with a leg issue Cal Lutheran grabbed the lead which they held at half at three. He was noticably limping in the second half.

Cal Lutheran really took advantage of their second chances - I was impressed with them overall but especially on the glass. CUC looked like team that didn't have answers to their opponent's defense and was frustrated. If CUC's threes aren't falling they are in trouble.
 
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on December 30, 2022, 12:08:27 AM
Whittier 87, CUC 83, Cougars now 8-2.

I believe the above is correct. Trying to follow the Cal Lutheran broadcast of this neutral site game was extremely aggravating. No video at all, live stats had CUC names listed as Whittier players and vice versa.

As for on the floor, no Brent Hatten or Jordan Matthews tonight. Cougars were 9-29 on threes and missed some free throws down the stretch too.

Hoping the Cougars get healthy and can work through their difficulties as they return to conference play next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on December 30, 2022, 12:34:13 AM
Quote from: Second Wind on December 30, 2022, 12:08:27 AM
Whittier 87, CUC 83, Cougars now 8-2.

I believe the above is correct. Trying to follow the Cal Lutheran broadcast of this neutral site game was extremely aggravating. No video at all, live stats had CUC names listed as Whittier players and vice versa.

As for on the floor, no Brent Hatten or Jordan Matthews tonight. Cougars were 9-29 on threes and missed some free throws down the stretch too.

Hoping the Cougars get healthy and can work through their difficulties as they return to conference play next week.

I must have been up too late because I was trying to figure out why CUC was playing some of their usual bench guys as much as they were; I totally missed the fact that Matthews was not on the floor. Also, besides Hatten not playing, Elijah White did not appear in tonight's game either.

Guys like Kieren Heller did an admirable job filling in minutes, but Whittier, a team that takes a LOT of threes (The Poets average 30 treys a game.) went 12-26 from deep - a 46% average (where they usually average 31%). It just seemed that Concordia had to really work for their points and Whittier found a lot of holes in Concordia's zone defense (which they went to quite a bit). Also, yeah, free throws.

By the way, the video was there but was found under the day's previous game - the Cal Lutheran-Luther contest (although I did not discover this until halftime).

Not a great showing in California for the Cougars. I just don't think they are a truly deep team, and missing one starter - much less two - is a tough hill for them to climb. Hopefully they can get healthy by the time conference play resumes.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on January 06, 2023, 02:34:31 PM
CUC postpones games Tuesday and now tomorrow. Do the CUC posters in here know what's going on?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on January 06, 2023, 04:07:37 PM
Dangler, I wish I knew, but I'm in the dark too. Privacy issues being what they are these days, I'm not sure we'll ever know. CUC has home game v Dominican scheduled for Tuesday and making up more than two games would make for a logistical mess.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2023, 05:08:13 PM
I wonder if they could just cancel their trip to Nebraska for the "Concordia" games. Ironically, Concordia WI is also playing that, so they could play 1/27 vs Lakeland and Concordia WI 1/28. That would require Lakeland playing Friday and Saturday. Both would be at home though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on January 06, 2023, 06:30:27 PM
Players needing to be hospitalized after a workout seems to be a fairly uncommon occurence these days.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/concordia-basketball-players-sick-after-workout/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on January 06, 2023, 07:18:12 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on January 06, 2023, 06:30:27 PM
Players needing to be hospitalized after a workout seems to be a fairly uncommon occurence these days.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/concordia-basketball-players-sick-after-workout/

My son just sent this to me.  Not a good situation, and they had a good start to the year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2023, 08:20:32 PM
Wow. Obviously, the most important thing is the players' health. This may result in some forfeits if they can't find times to play these games and these postponed games could go into next week. That coach could be in be trouble as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 07, 2023, 12:37:25 PM
D3 made ESPN.com

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35398189/division-iii-team-postpones-two-games-5-players-hurt-workout
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on January 07, 2023, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 06, 2023, 08:20:32 PM
Wow. Obviously, the most important thing is the players' health. This may result in some forfeits if they can't find times to play these games and these postponed games could go into next week. That coach could be in be trouble as well.

Head Coach Steve Kollar has been "temporarily removed" from the program. Assistant coach Rahsaan Surles has been named interim coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on January 08, 2023, 12:39:49 AM
It seems that earlier today Benedictine removed Jordan Townsend's interim tag and named him as their full time Head Coach. This is Townsend's first year leading the Eagles after suddenly being named interim head this summer after long time HC Keith Bunkenburg was suddenly immediately dismissed. With no previous head coaching experience, and a 6-8 record, it seems somewhat odd BU didn't wait until the end of the season, and then conduct a national search as is usually done, or at least wait to season's end before removing the interim tag.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
According to CUC's website, this weekend's game is also postponed to go along with the 3 already postponed. I wonder if there is anyway to makeup these games.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 01:45:05 PM
The Concordia University Chicago (full, official, legal name) athletics website is still advertising the weekend events scheduled in conjunction with the game.  As for the games, the NACC website indicates that the games have been forfeited.

https://naccsports.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 03:40:32 PM
Doesn't matter what the official name is. Greg Sager considers it Concordia (IL) because it's in River Forest, not Chicago...and what Sager says, goes.

Anyway, their schedule page says the Marian game tomorrow is postponed. It's too bad that Lakeland, Concordia WI, Dominican and Marian all lose out on this as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2023, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 03:40:32 PM
Doesn't matter what the official name is. Greg Sager considers it Concordia (IL) because it's in River Forest, not Chicago...and what Sager says, goes.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/theunitedgamers/images/1/19/Sherlock_Damn_straight.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130402150738)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 03:40:32 PM
It's too bad that Lakeland, Concordia WI, Dominican and Marian all lose out on this as well.

The website says these schools have been awarded administrative forfeit victories.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2023, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 01:45:05 PM
The Concordia University Chicago (full, official, legal name) athletics website is still advertising the weekend events scheduled in conjunction with the game.  As for the games, the NACC website indicates that the games have been forfeited.

https://naccsports.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball

They're forfeited in terms of league standings, but not in terms of Concordia (IL)'s actual W-L record. As the NACC website indicates, the Cougars still have an 8-2 overall record. (https://naccsports.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball) In other words, the forfeits aren't going to damage the winning percentage criterion of the Cougars with regard to Pool C or (if they should be fortunate enough to make the D3 tourney field) their seeding. The forfeits are just going to make it harder for them to win the NACC tourney because they'll lower the team's seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:56:17 PM
I think I may go get a "Chicago dog" from my favorite Overland, Missouri based hot dog stand before the big game tonight.

By the way, the reportage suggests that Coach Kollar has been retained as head coach.  My guess is that this is the right call, based on very limited information.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2023, 03:54:51 PM
They're forfeited in terms of league standings, but not in terms of Concordia (IL)'s actual W-L record. As the NACC website indicates, the Cougars still have an 8-2 overall record. (https://naccsports.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball) In other words, the forfeits aren't going to damage the winning percentage criterion of the Cougars with regard to Pool C or (if they should be fortunate enough to make the D3 tourney field) their seeding. The forfeits are just going to make it harder for them to win the NACC tourney because they'll lower the team's seed.

Correct!  I was leaving it to others to figure out the ramifications for themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2023, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:56:17 PM
I think I may go get a "Chicago dog" from my favorite Overland, Missouri based hot dog stand before the big game tonight.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/d3/25/b9d3251b8bbb162f559a542c3328bcd7.jpg)

Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:56:17 PMBy the way, the reportage suggests that Coach Kollar has been retained as head coach.  My guess is that this is the right call, based on very limited information.

I believe in second chances, and, given that nobody was permanently injured, I can get behind the administration's letting Kollar keep his job. I'm sure that he'll be much more circumspect about how he doles out discipline to his teams in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on January 13, 2023, 04:53:08 PM
Head Coach Steve Kollar was allowed to return to campus to resume his administrative duties as of today.
IF the date on which he will resume actual coaching duties has been determined, it has not yet been publicized. Assistant Coach Surles will handle those duties until such time as Kollar has been returned to full status.
CURF's next scheduled game is Tuesday at Rockford.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: kiko on January 13, 2023, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2023, 03:54:51 PM
They're forfeited in terms of league standings, but not in terms of Concordia (IL)'s actual W-L record. As the NACC website indicates, the Cougars still have an 8-2 overall record. (https://naccsports.org/standings.aspx?path=mbball) In other words, the forfeits aren't going to damage the winning percentage criterion of the Cougars with regard to Pool C or (if they should be fortunate enough to make the D3 tourney field) their seeding. The forfeits are just going to make it harder for them to win the NACC tourney because they'll lower the team's seed.

<raises a glass in the direction of whomever is in charge of the code for the portion of the d3hoops.com site that deals with schedules, results, and conference standings...>
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 14, 2023, 07:22:32 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2023, 03:40:32 PM
It's too bad that Lakeland, Concordia WI, Dominican and Marian all lose out on this as well.

The website says these schools have been awarded administrative forfeit victories.

True, but they lose out on playing games. If given the choice of playing a game with the possibility of losing or just getting a forfeit win, most, if not all, student athletes would probably pick the former.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 14, 2023, 07:27:40 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2023, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:56:17 PM
I think I may go get a "Chicago dog" from my favorite Overland, Missouri based hot dog stand before the big game tonight.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/d3/25/b9d3251b8bbb162f559a542c3328bcd7.jpg)

Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:56:17 PMBy the way, the reportage suggests that Coach Kollar has been retained as head coach.  My guess is that this is the right call, based on very limited information.

I believe in second chances, and, given that nobody was permanently injured, I can get behind the administration's letting Kollar keep his job. I'm sure that he'll be much more circumspect about how he doles out discipline to his teams in the future.

I believe the article said they couldn't prove it was punishment/retaliation for breaking curfew, even though it was widely speculated by the players.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 14, 2023, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 14, 2023, 07:27:40 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2023, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:56:17 PM
I think I may go get a "Chicago dog" from my favorite Overland, Missouri based hot dog stand before the big game tonight.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/d3/25/b9d3251b8bbb162f559a542c3328bcd7.jpg)

Quote from: WUPHF on January 13, 2023, 03:56:17 PMBy the way, the reportage suggests that Coach Kollar has been retained as head coach.  My guess is that this is the right call, based on very limited information.

I believe in second chances, and, given that nobody was permanently injured, I can get behind the administration's letting Kollar keep his job. I'm sure that he'll be much more circumspect about how he doles out discipline to his teams in the future.

I believe the article said they couldn't prove it was punishment/retaliation for breaking curfew, even though it was widely speculated by the players.

It's the only logical conclusion, given that: a) there's never been this sort of medical-grade practice incident before involving a Kollar-coached team; and b) it happened immediately after the Cougars lost two games in Cali while breaking curfew on that same trip. But, unless Kollar openly told his players that he was working them so hard because they broke curfew, there's no legal evidence to prove the conclusion.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 16, 2023, 07:28:57 PM
Concordia (IL)'s training staff has resigned in the wake of Kollar's reinstatement. (https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2023/01/concordia-chicago-athletic-training-staff-leaves)

There are no more trainers listed in the school's athletic staff directory, just the athletic department's two physicians.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2023, 01:40:00 PM
I wonder if these were unpaid voluntary student trainers, or if a full or part time staff member actually gave up salary $ in dispute... if so, that is really something....
I made the acquaintance of Kollar when he was at Blackburn.... he always treated me with respect and appreciated my support of SLIAC hoops.....
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
Agreed!  It is hard to imagine that all four athletic trainers were independently wealthy enough to resign in protest.  Especially living in Chicago.  Or maybe athletic trainer positions are easy to come by? 

I am not saying they were asked to resign, but for all four to resign, that is peculiar.

I know the news agencies would love to talk to parents who oppose the reinstatement of Kollar, but that has yet to happen as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on January 17, 2023, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
Agreed!  It is hard to imagine that all four athletic trainers were independently wealthy enough to resign in protest.  Especially living in Chicago.  Or maybe athletic trainer positions are easy to come by? 

I am not saying they were asked to resign, but for all four to resign, that is peculiar.

I know the news agencies would love to talk to parents who oppose the reinstatement of Kollar, but that has yet to happen as far as I can tell.

1. Why would the the trainers be asked to resign?  ??? Did they do something wrong?
2. As far as interviewing players or parents who oppose Kollar's reinstatement, i sense there is a good possibility of this happening given that a couple of the Chicago TV stations aired reports about the incident when the story first broke.

I wonder if the primary reason Kollar was reinstated was Concordia's fast start/perfect record before the  California implosion? After all, it's not often that Concordia enjoys much success on the basketball court.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 17, 2023, 03:41:50 PM
1) I am not saying that the trainers were asked to resign as previously stated, but I am surprised to see four employees voluntarily resign.  I am not sure how many colleagues I have who could voluntarily resign tomorrow and be set financially. 

Most people who work in higher ed do not make great money.  I would have to think that most of the trainers make $50,000-60,000 at most, but I may be wrong.

2) I could see parents eventually choosing to talk to the press.  I am surprised we have not seen a parent or two here, but maybe we will eventually.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2023, 04:12:54 PM

My sister in law was an athletic trainer.  They don't make great money, but there's usually work to be had.  I'd imagine that's doubly true in a big city like Chicago.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 19, 2023, 11:08:47 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 18, 2023, 04:12:54 PM
My sister in law was an athletic trainer.  They don't make great money, but there's usually work to be had.  I'd imagine that's doubly true in a big city like Chicago.

Thanks Ryan!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 20, 2023, 11:17:32 PM
CUC postpones another game. I am really wondering what is going on.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2023, 06:57:48 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if they are going to play anymore. They have their 2 NC Concordia games coming up. I believe none of these games are postponed. They are all forfeits which count in league standings, but not as games for overall records sake.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on January 21, 2023, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2023, 06:57:48 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if they are going to play anymore. They have their 2 NC Concordia games coming up. I believe none of these games are postponed. They are all forfeits which count in league standings, but not as games for overall records sake.

I believe they are done for the season, shutting things down to figure things out.  All conference games have been canceled and their record is now 0-0.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on January 22, 2023, 09:03:48 AM
I am thinking along these lines, but I am also wondering if there is some legal advice affecting this as well.

The conference website notes next to the 0-0 conference record "excluded from NACC standings due to violations of conference policy". Kind of curious - but not curious enough to snoop out - exactly what the policy is for CUC to earn this.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 22, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
It's kind of a disservice to their fans that Concordia hasn't released anything...or maybe they don't even know. Yesterday, the website had a count down to the game. I tried googling anything that may disclose their intentions the rest of the season. When I did a search, there was a link that came up, posted about 20 hours ago on cbsnews.com from the Chicago area that stated that they were back in action this afternoon. I clicked on the link and it's unavailable.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 22, 2023, 10:17:27 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/video/concordia-university-mens-basketball-team-will-not-play-remaining-conference-games/

I did find a news release.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2023, 08:36:56 AM
Kollar is apparently out after more information came to light.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/concordia-mens-basketball-coach-out/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on January 24, 2023, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 24, 2023, 08:36:56 AM
Kollar is apparently out after more information came to light.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/concordia-mens-basketball-coach-out/

That article said the NCAA stepped in and forced them to not play the rest of their conference schedule. Is that true or was it just the NACC that took that action? The NACC standings website says it was because a violation of conference rules (presumably forfeiting their games in early January). Also that would mean it is a conference situation which the NCAA wouldn't have the authority over. It also appears to be an easy mistake by a copy editor to switch "NACC" that was written with "NCAA" thinking the writer just made a typo.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on January 24, 2023, 09:46:31 AM
That has to be the NACC.

I do hope the NCAA gives everyone involved an extra year though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2023, 01:38:14 PM
Quote from: WUPHF on January 24, 2023, 09:46:31 AM
That has to be the NACC.

I do hope the NCAA gives everyone involved an extra year though.

Absolutely. It would be an injustice to the Cougars if they were forced to pay the penalty for somebody else's decisions by losing a year of eligibility, when they were the victims in the first place.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on January 31, 2023, 09:45:05 PM
WLC finishes the big game in FDL on a 34-15 run over the final 10:20. MU had the game and then they didn't. Wow, good game though.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2023, 07:01:46 PM
https://d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2023/men-regional-rankings-first

Marian and WLC in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2023, 06:39:20 PM
CUC Twitter is telling fans to come out to the women's game tonight to celebrate the men's seniors. Ben Gordos, Tavaras Williams, Brent Hatten and Jordan Matthews are all pictured. I assume none of them are applying for a waiver to get an extra year because of the unfortunate circumstances involving their team this season.

https://twitter.com/cuc_menhoops/status/1625929352935243798?t=MvhjqF6LU412kPoffQrs3Q&s=19
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on February 15, 2023, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 15, 2023, 06:39:20 PM
CUC Twitter is telling fans to come out to the women's game tonight to celebrate the men's seniors. Ben Gordos, Tavaras Williams, Brent Hatten and Jordan Matthews are all pictured. I assume none of them are applying for a waiver to get an extra year because of the unfortunate circumstances involving their team this season.

https://twitter.com/cuc_menhoops/status/1625929352935243798?t=MvhjqF6LU412kPoffQrs3Q&s=19


It's interesting that Hatten didn't play in either of the California games before the infamous practice even happened and he didn't play at CIT either. This was Matthews 5th year already; even if he's not playing basketball he's still paying for school this year and it's tough for anybody to fork out tuition for six years. Actually this is true for any DIII players. Paying for that extra year - COVID or for whatever reason - is a big ask for any student and their family.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2023, 09:41:56 PM
2 21 23 NACC Final:

Marian 88, Rockford 64 (Sabers shot 68.8% in 1st half for a 19 point half-time lead and held on at home.)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 21, 2023, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 21, 2023, 09:41:56 PM
2 21 23 NACC Final:

Marian 88, Rockford 64 (Sabers shot 68.8% in 1st half for a 19 point half-time lead and held on at home.)

Held on?  ???  :P  They were up by 30 in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 24, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
2 24 22 Finals:

St. Norbert 75, Marian 65 (Sabers cut deficit to 3 a couple of times in 2nd half, Green Knights answered)
WLC 98, Benedictine 73 (Warriors had a hot shooting 1st half, 51% to 37%)

It'll be a St. Norbert/WLC final for the NACC AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 05, 2023, 01:00:08 PM
SNC makes the news...

https://www.jsonline.com/story/entertainment/television/2023/04/04/jeopardy-appearance-fulfills-bucket-list-item-for-de-pere-professor/70075507007/
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on April 11, 2023, 11:14:40 PM
Sad to see former LMC member Cardinal Stritch close their doors. They had up until a few years ago a strong athletics program.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 12, 2023, 10:44:25 AM
Stritch still had one outstanding team left in this final school year; the women's soccer Wolves won the CCAC and advanced to the NAIA national tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: PauldingLightUP on April 12, 2023, 07:40:01 PM
Congratulations to Ben. Nice win today. Got a lot of correct answers. Could've had a much bigger total, but that was a tough first daily double. Nice to have a Wisconsin contestant and Wisconsin clue tonight. Hoping for a long run, he's smart.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 10, 2023, 07:48:14 PM
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1656411325487038465?s=20

Wauwatosa West senior Owen Smith (6'8") headed to CUW.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 18, 2023, 08:47:50 PM
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1659349892605542400?s=20

Senior Dasan Reed (6-2) of Greenfield has committed to NCAA Division III Marian University.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on May 23, 2023, 11:59:22 PM
St. Norbert finished their trip to Italy with a 3-0 record. You never know the caliber of competition on those trips but it's a good sign they'll be able to keep their momentum from this year's run into next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 24, 2023, 07:15:50 AM
Quote from: sncdangler on May 23, 2023, 11:59:22 PM
St. Norbert finished their trip to Italy with a 3-0 record. You never know the caliber of competition on those trips but it's a good sign they'll be able to keep their momentum from this year's run into next season.

I don't think if they start off 10-0 next season, they'll look back at the Italy trip as a catalyst to their good start. LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on May 24, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on May 24, 2023, 07:15:50 AM
Quote from: sncdangler on May 23, 2023, 11:59:22 PM
St. Norbert finished their trip to Italy with a 3-0 record. You never know the caliber of competition on those trips but it's a good sign they'll be able to keep their momentum from this year's run into next season.

I don't think if they start off 10-0 next season, they'll look back at the Italy trip as a catalyst to their good start. LOL.

That may be, but thanks to the foreign trip at least St. Norbert won't end up on probation for their out of season practices.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WUPHF on May 24, 2023, 03:55:51 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on May 24, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
That may be, but thanks to the foreign trip at least St. Norbert won't end up on probation for their out of season practices.

Colder than Green Bay in mid-January.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
Is that a 1998 reference?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cubs on May 24, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on May 24, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on May 24, 2023, 07:15:50 AM
Quote from: sncdangler on May 23, 2023, 11:59:22 PM
St. Norbert finished their trip to Italy with a 3-0 record. You never know the caliber of competition on those trips but it's a good sign they'll be able to keep their momentum from this year's run into next season.
I don't think if they start off 10-0 next season, they'll look back at the Italy trip as a catalyst to their good start. LOL.
That may be, but thanks to the foreign trip at least St. Norbert won't end up on probation for their out of season practices.
I'd assume the new head coach learned something during his time as an assistant and won't be making the same mistake as his predecessor? 

Although now that I think about it, apparently the predecessor didn't learn anything during his time as an assistant so who knows, maybe history repeats itself yet again?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 24, 2023, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
Is that a 1998 reference?

What was in 1998? I'm guessing, since I'm a Pointer fan, he's probably referencing Semling. Regardless, apparently not all of us have moved on from that. I guess, in some round-about way, snc thought it was a good time to take a shot. IDK, whatever.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on May 24, 2023, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on May 24, 2023, 07:17:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
Is that a 1998 reference?

What was in 1998? I'm guessing, since I'm a Pointer fan, he's probably referencing Semling. Regardless, apparently not all of us have moved on from that. I guess, in some round-about way, snc thought it was a good time to take a shot. IDK, whatever.

If my hazy memory is correct, Pat was referring to a St. Norbert football deal where it ran into trouble for violating a conference rule for going over the games limit, not an NCAA one.

As for the probation jab, poke fun at a post and fire will occasionally be returned.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 24, 2023, 10:04:55 PM
Poking fun? Ok. It amused me that 3 exhibition games on an international "vacation" in the off-season might be considered "keeping the momentum" into next season. Lighten up a little. As for your "returning fire," you're shooting blanks. Semling's probation doesn't bother me one bit now. Move on.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on May 25, 2023, 11:40:32 AM
I'm just making an observation. I guess I should have known better than to try to match knowledge with a haughty UWSP fan. My bad.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 25, 2023, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: sncdangler on May 25, 2023, 11:40:32 AM
I'm just making an observation. I guess I should have known better than to try to match knowledge with a haughty UWSP fan. My bad.

No worries. I set the bar pretty low.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: FiredCoachesPod on July 12, 2023, 07:49:48 PM
Per Hoop Dirt.
NJCAA D2

Bryant and Stratton College (WI) has hired Charles Ruffing as their new head basketball coach. He will replace J.T. Gritzmacher, who became the head coach at NCAA D3 Wisconsin La Crosse late last month. Ruffing has served as an assistant at Marian University, Wisconsin Lutheran, Williston State, and Franklin College. He also spent some time as the head coach at West Bend East High School (WI).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 15, 2023, 07:30:38 PM
Mark White has stepped down from coaching at Dominican. The DU press release announcing his retirement mentions that he will remain in athletics administration there (he is also currently serving as an associate AD for Dominican). (https://dustars.com/news/2023/7/14/mens-basketball-mark-white-retires-from-coaching-after-25-years-at-du.aspx) That makes me wonder if he's going to be the school's next AD, since that job is currently vacant.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: FiredCoachesPod on July 15, 2023, 11:03:46 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 15, 2023, 07:30:38 PM
Mark White has stepped down from coaching at Dominican. The DU press release announcing his retirement mentions that he will remain in athletics administration there (he is also currently serving as an associate AD for Dominican). (https://dustars.com/news/2023/7/14/mens-basketball-mark-white-retires-from-coaching-after-25-years-at-du.aspx) That makes me wonder if he's going to be the school's next AD, since that job is currently vacant.
Heard a rumor he might be an associate AD at another D3 school.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WiscocbbIII on September 09, 2023, 10:11:30 PM
Have a buddy of mine who is around SNC, said that there are 14 players to quit on the program in less than a 2 year span. Grzesk always has good teams and good on court quality, but this is a bit alarming to see. Each player, situation is different of course, however that did raise my eyebrows a bit. Anyone have any type of info? (Lost my login for my previous account)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 10, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: WiscocbbIII on September 09, 2023, 10:11:30 PM
Have a buddy of mine who is around SNC, said that there are 14 players to quit on the program in less than a 2 year span. Grzesk always has good teams and good on court quality, but this is a bit alarming to see. Each player, situation is different of course, however that did raise my eyebrows a bit. Anyone have any type of info? (Lost my login for my previous account)

John Tauer's oldest son, Jack, has been on the team the last two years. I'm sure he's letting his kid make his own decisions, but I also suspect he wouldn't be there if there were issues with the program.  These days, when you see transfers from small private schools, it's more likely to be due to academic program cuts or financial aid issues. SNC, if I recall, tends to bring in a lot of players every year. It could also be guys who want more PT.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 10, 2023, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: washingtonwiz99 on July 15, 2023, 11:03:46 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 15, 2023, 07:30:38 PM
Mark White has stepped down from coaching at Dominican. The DU press release announcing his retirement mentions that he will remain in athletics administration there (he is also currently serving as an associate AD for Dominican). (https://dustars.com/news/2023/7/14/mens-basketball-mark-white-retires-from-coaching-after-25-years-at-du.aspx) That makes me wonder if he's going to be the school's next AD, since that job is currently vacant.
Heard a rumor he might be an associate AD at another D3 school.

That's exactly what's happened, as Carthage has hired Mark as their senior associate AD. Based upon the Carthage press release, it sounds like his new job entails regulation compliance and DEI stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: WiscocbbIII on September 10, 2023, 12:50:39 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 10, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: WiscocbbIII on September 09, 2023, 10:11:30 PM
Have a buddy of mine who is around SNC, said that there are 14 players to quit on the program in less than a 2 year span. Grzesk always has good teams and good on court quality, but this is a bit alarming to see. Each player, situation is different of course, however that did raise my eyebrows a bit. Anyone have any type of info? (Lost my login for my previous account)

John Tauer's oldest son, Jack, has been on the team the last two years. I'm sure he's letting his kid make his own decisions, but I also suspect he wouldn't be there if there were issues with the program.  These days, when you see transfers from small private schools, it's more likely to be due to academic program cuts or financial aid issues. SNC, if I recall, tends to bring in a lot of players every year. It could also be guys who want more PT.

Yes, that's what I thought as well. Did hear that John's son did leave the program though as well. Guess time will tell though at the end of the day.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 10, 2023, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: WiscocbbIII on September 10, 2023, 12:50:39 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 10, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: WiscocbbIII on September 09, 2023, 10:11:30 PM
Have a buddy of mine who is around SNC, said that there are 14 players to quit on the program in less than a 2 year span. Grzesk always has good teams and good on court quality, but this is a bit alarming to see. Each player, situation is different of course, however that did raise my eyebrows a bit. Anyone have any type of info? (Lost my login for my previous account)

John Tauer's oldest son, Jack, has been on the team the last two years. I'm sure he's letting his kid make his own decisions, but I also suspect he wouldn't be there if there were issues with the program.  These days, when you see transfers from small private schools, it's more likely to be due to academic program cuts or financial aid issues. SNC, if I recall, tends to bring in a lot of players every year. It could also be guys who want more PT.

Yes, that's what I thought as well. Did hear that John's son did leave the program though as well. Guess time will tell though at the end of the day.

Hard to know much until we see this year's roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 12, 2023, 08:18:03 PM
Cool stuff out of Marian

https://fox11online.com/news/local/marian-university-launches-scholarship-program-honoring-packers-linebacker-turned-phd-dr-george-koonce-lambeau-field-mark-murphy-higher-education?fbclid=IwAR2r4OFqpHz8BrltBYIZsPPClxIV0tEOPdsyvnX_R-8orb4jKkMAjv0sMP8
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: FiredCoachesPod on October 12, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
When's the football program launching there?
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on October 18, 2023, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: washingtonwiz99 on October 12, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
When's the football program launching there?

We have been asking that since I was a freshman there in 1992
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on October 18, 2023, 09:43:52 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 10, 2023, 03:15:37 PM
Quote from: WiscocbbIII on September 10, 2023, 12:50:39 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on September 10, 2023, 08:55:08 AM
Quote from: WiscocbbIII on September 09, 2023, 10:11:30 PM
Have a buddy of mine who is around SNC, said that there are 14 players to quit on the program in less than a 2 year span. Grzesk always has good teams and good on court quality, but this is a bit alarming to see. Each player, situation is different of course, however that did raise my eyebrows a bit. Anyone have any type of info? (Lost my login for my previous account)

John Tauer's oldest son, Jack, has been on the team the last two years. I'm sure he's letting his kid make his own decisions, but I also suspect he wouldn't be there if there were issues with the program.  These days, when you see transfers from small private schools, it's more likely to be due to academic program cuts or financial aid issues. SNC, if I recall, tends to bring in a lot of players every year. It could also be guys who want more PT.

Yes, that's what I thought as well. Did hear that John's son did leave the program though as well. Guess time will tell though at the end of the day.

Hard to know much until we see this year's roster.
PT issue for all, nothing else here
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: FiredCoachesPod on October 19, 2023, 09:15:34 AM
Quote from: cjnick12 on October 18, 2023, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: washingtonwiz99 on October 12, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
When's the football program launching there?

We have been asking that since I was a freshman there in 1992
Thought maybe George Koonce would have some connections to get that going.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cubs on October 31, 2023, 11:52:17 AM
SNC gives UWGB a scare in their exhibition contest last night...

UWGB 65
SNC 63

FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on October 31, 2023, 10:56:47 PM
https://naccsports.org/news/2023/10/30/wisconsin-lutheran-edges-st-norbert-atop-2023-2024-nacc-mens-basketball-preseason-poll.aspx

WLC by a thread over SNC, but SNC has one more 1st place vote.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 07, 2023, 12:56:35 PM
I came across a podcast yesterday that some in this room might find interesting.

Former CUC coach, Steve Kollar, was interviewed on the Hoop Heads podcast:

https://hoopheadspod.com/steve-kollar-former-head-mens-basketball-coach-at-concordia-university-chicago-episode-866/

He talks about the incidents that led to CUC forfeiting multiple games and ultimately to the cancelation of the season and his dismissal.

I'm definitely a biased observer - I played high school basketball with Steve. I hope he gets another opportunity to lead another program!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2023, 02:11:58 PM
Thanks for that link, John. That was a very interesting interview.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on November 18, 2023, 07:51:28 PM
After two losses by a combined seven points, the CUC Cougars put it all together tonight in a 104-70 blowout of host Millikin. Jordan Matthews and Emanuel Wilson had big second halves to lead the Cougars with 22 and 21 respectively. However, my stat line of the game award goes to PG Justin Greenlee with 11 points, five boards, nine assists and no turnovers. Now that's a floor game!

Today's win hopefully signals the start of a winning streak for CUC as they begin conference play at St. Norbert on Tuesday and at IIT next Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: sncdangler on November 21, 2023, 11:32:38 PM
Big win for Norbs tonight over a quality CUC team. NACC will be very competitive this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 22, 2023, 07:07:46 AM
ELC showing their credentials by blowing out a young Stevens Point team that starts 3 freshmen and a transfer by 20, 86-66.

Lakeland showing nothing needing OT to beat a bad Martin Luther team. Oostburg product Cam Jaeger joined the 1,000 pt club and still has another year of eligibility.

Wheaton IL and North Central IL aren't the teams of old, but Benedictine has beaten them both. They could be a sneaky play vs conference favorites SNC and WLC.


Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on November 30, 2023, 01:15:41 PM
An entertaining game at Geiseman last night as CUC nipped Greenville 119-117. I've never liked "The System" style of play but it was an interesting game experience and the fans seemed to enjoy it.

Despite the high amount of turnovers this type of game produces, I liked CUC's overall approach. They did an excellent job driving to the basket and getting back on defense consistently. Guard play was tremendous, especially Justin Greenlee with 20 points and 14 rebounds (both career highs, I think).

Back to NACC play on Saturday with WLC coming to town. Conference play should be fun this year if not predictable (was surprised to see IIT knock off Norbert last night).
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: RFMichigan on November 30, 2023, 01:22:12 PM
Interesting it was. I think the System is a little "gimmicky" but there is a certain amount of discipline that one would need to play within it and it certainly requires athleticism and the ability to shoot!

I was glad to see CUC come away with the win; I think they were a little shell-shocked in the first ten minutes but they recovered nicely in the middle half of the game. I DO think think they took too many threes as I think that plays into the hands of a System team.

Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Second Wind on November 30, 2023, 01:38:04 PM
RF, you're right that too many threes can be fatal, especially in that kind of game. But this was CUC's first time playing a "system team" (I don't care if we never play Grinnell!) and I'm glad they recovered from their shell shock as quickly as they did.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: cjnick12 on November 30, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Second Wind on November 30, 2023, 01:15:41 PM
An entertaining game at Geiseman last night as CUC nipped Greenville 119-117. I've never liked "The System" style of play but it was an interesting game experience and the fans seemed to enjoy it.

Despite the high amount of turnovers this type of game produces, I liked CUC's overall approach. They did an excellent job driving to the basket and getting back on defense consistently. Guard play was tremendous, especially Justin Greenlee with 20 points and 14 rebounds (both career highs, I think).

Back to NACC play on Saturday with WLC coming to town. Conference play should be fun this year if not predictable (was surprised to see IIT knock off Norbert last night).

IIT shot lights out the entire game never seen shooting like that before especially against a Norbert team.  Not going to lose many games shooting 60% from 3
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: FiredCoachesPod on February 20, 2024, 04:07:04 PM
Welcome back to the NACC!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 20, 2024, 11:19:25 PM
I'm baaaack.

Quarterfinals are in the book in the NACC Tournament

#1 WLC 85 Aurora 65: Spartans were within 5 in the first half but never were a serious threat.
#4 Rockford 75 #5 Concordia Wisconsin 72: Solid season from the Regents continues.
#3 Benedictine 69 #6 MSOE 58
#2 St. Norbert 76 #7 Concordia Chicago 60

All chalk in the quaters.

Semifinal Matchups

#1 WLC (22-4) vs #4 Rockford (18-8)
#2 St. Norbert (21-5) vs #3 Benedictine (16-10)
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 20, 2024, 11:41:31 PM
*In hindsight with three of the teams that gave WLC a loss are in the regional rankings (Loras, Bethany and St. Norbert) those are becoming a big what could've been for the Warriors*
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 22, 2024, 11:22:18 PM
Semifinal Scores

Wisconsin Lutheran 71
Rockford 55

Warriors had few issues is dispatching the Regents.

St. Norbert 83
Benedictine 82 (3OT)

Eagles had a chance to win the game late on the last possession  but the Green Knights stood tall.

(2) St. Norbert (22-5) at (1) Wisconsin Lutheran (23-4) Saturday

Strangely enough this could be a chance to earn a regionally ranked win based on the last rankings but with the upsets that have been occurring in other conference tournaments, a Pool C bid is likely not happening here.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 23, 2024, 08:39:38 AM

Pool C is definitely not happening, but it is definitely a ranked win for someone, since the rankings from Tuesday count moving forward.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: FiredCoachesPod on February 23, 2024, 10:07:04 AM
Two best teams predicted early in the season are now facing off in the end. Should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2024, 01:30:04 PM
Think this will be a close matchup. St. Norbert has won 6 of 7 against WLC since joining the league. However WLC has the momentum on their side heading into this one while the Green Knights have been pedestrian with two losses to teams that did not make the conference tournament in the last 4 games of the regular season (Dominican and Marian). Also you have to wonder how much in the tank they also have after a marathon 3OT game against Benedictine. I think WLC wins but I think this won't be easy.

For WLC a win here would punch their 2nd NCAA Tournament bid (last was in the final year of the Lake Michigan Conference (05-06))
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2024, 05:57:06 PM
Half

WLC 32
St. Norbert 24

Warriors led the entire way. Green Knights got it down to 2 early but the lead has been in the 7-10 point range for WLC.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2024, 06:33:47 PM
Wisconsin Lutheran 61
St. Norbert 49

6:30 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 24, 2024, 06:54:42 PM
Final from WLC

Wisconsin Lutheran 78
St. Norbert 62

WLC is going to the NCAA's for the first time since 2006! Warriors never trailed in the game despite St. Norbert getting the deficit down to 3 early in the second half.

As an alum....words escape me.....Once a Warrior, always a Warrior!
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 26, 2024, 10:55:54 PM
WLC gets sent to St. Louis to face host Wash U. NGL I am intrigued by the matchup. Winner gets Illinois College or Dubuque.
Title: Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Post by: Captain_Joe08 on February 26, 2024, 11:01:15 PM
Ironically this is only the third matchup WLC has against the UAA. Only had two games against Chicago in the early 90's and WLC won both those matchups.