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Title: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 03:31:37 PM
SRSU - 24
UTD - 29

3:15 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 03:34:59 PM
Thanks Sul Ross Lobos.  You are a lifesaver.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Fan from Colorado on February 26, 2005, 03:35:01 PM
Does anyone know if Justin is playing today?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 03:36:05 PM
Yes he is playing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 03:39:40 PM
SRSU - 24
UTD - 35

Half

Sid already has a tech, Workman got hit hard and is on the sidelines, and we're shooting less than 40%
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 03:43:34 PM
35-24 Comets.  Lobos are really cold, or at least that's what I'm told.  Hopefully Coach can light a fire under their rears and get it started.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 03:44:46 PM
Mrs. B said it was announced that Derric was the one lying on the floor and the foul was called on him.  That's insane.  I hope he is alright.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:00:02 PM
SRSU - 27
UTD - 42
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:05:23 PM
SRSU - 33
UTD - 44
14:41 left
(oh, and Derric is in)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 04:11:17 PM
I know that they can do this.  C'Mon Lobos!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:17:19 PM
SRSU - 44
UTD - 51
9:49 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 04:20:06 PM
I've heard that they are shooting a little bit better, but not much.  Let's Go Lobos!!  There's still a lot of time left.  They can do this.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 04:20:56 PM
Wolfpack...send some vibes to Rick.  Tell him to make some of those 3-pointers of his :-)

(Message edited by sullyfan on February 26, 2005)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:21:59 PM
SRSU - 44
UTD - 57

7:32 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Wolfpack on February 26, 2005, 04:27:19 PM
LetsGo, I will...

Lots of time left...they've got to get it together
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:29:18 PM
SRSU - 49
UTD - 63

4:21 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:37:17 PM
SRSU - 60
UTD - 71
:58
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Wolfpack on February 26, 2005, 04:38:30 PM
Darn it
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:42:36 PM
SRSU - 64
UTD - 75

FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 04:44:17 PM
It was a good run.  It just didn't fall the way we wanted it too.  But I'm still proud of them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sul Ross Lobos on February 26, 2005, 04:50:01 PM
We all are.  They are an amazing group of guys (on and off the court).  It's tough because they really are a better team than they showed today.  Now we have to wait for next year's run.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Wolfpack on February 26, 2005, 04:51:33 PM
It's hard to win when your shots aren't falling.  If I feel this bad....I can't imagine what the boys feel like...especially the seniors. But like you say, I'll always be proud of them!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LetsGoLobos on February 26, 2005, 04:56:52 PM
I've watched most of them play for the last 3 or 4 years.  And they are amazing...on and off the court.  And I will miss those seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Wolfpack on February 26, 2005, 04:59:40 PM
As a parent, thanks for your support LetsGoLobos.  It is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 26, 2005, 06:08:02 PM
At the half...
MC  27
HSU  21
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: the mad chemist on March 11, 2005, 05:13:03 PM
MC 4 Calvin 9
@ 14:30 remaining
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: the mad chemist on March 11, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
MC 11   Calvin 21
11:08 remaining
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocman on March 11, 2005, 05:27:37 PM
Chemist,

Keep the updates coming. I can not listen to it...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 11, 2005, 05:29:55 PM
36-23 calvin, about 4 to go in the first
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: the mad chemist on March 11, 2005, 05:31:04 PM
MC 21 Calvin 29
5:00 remaining

probably my last post b/c I gotta go to work
Go Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 11, 2005, 05:34:47 PM
39 - 27  calvin, 2 minutes to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 11, 2005, 05:40:42 PM
44-34,calvin, half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 11, 2005, 05:42:06 PM
18 points for jazz eugene, then its just people with 5 or less
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2005, 06:04:01 PM
They are going to let Jazz score and take away everything else.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 11, 2005, 06:07:40 PM
mc just made about 7 trips down the floor, and 7 tournaovers
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocman on March 11, 2005, 06:39:46 PM
What is the score? Time?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Johnathan Biggs Johnson on June 02, 2005, 10:13:35 PM
Ralph,

I was not trying to upset anyone about personal problems. I was kinda being sarcastic about one player inparticular, due to the fact Holmes told me something funny about one players situation, thats all. I understand Tennison leaving, he has a unique situation. I wish him all the luck in the world. I hear there is a new coach at "Back at the Mac" That was for you Russ!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2005, 11:22:56 PM
JBJ, the good thing for Travis is that he got a "ring", (ASC-West Tri-champs) and a front page spread on the "Sports Illustrated of D3 Collegiate Basketball".:-)

I re-watched "Field of Dreams" last weekend.  The scene with the old "Doc" (Burt Lancaster) as he comes back as a young kid is inspiring.  Perhaps, too, Travis got a satisfactory chance at college basketball.  My sincere prayer for Travis is for him to get his degree and use his leadership skills in the community where he lives and serves.  IMHO, he could change the lives of those that he touches.

As for "Mac", great things at McMurry!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on June 06, 2005, 10:21:58 AM
That was the addition I was trying to hint at last week.  

I think that is a huge addition for McMurry, glad to see we have another full timer for our staff.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2005, 10:44:14 PM
The 2005 Attendance figures of the leading programs are listed.  I checked McMurry's attendance to compare.  McMurry had 8396 fans attend 11 home games for an average of 763 fans per game.  The unfortunate thing for the average were the three games that were played over Thanksgiving and Christmas Holidays before only 175, 175 and 325 fans.  Eliminating those three games would have increased the average to 940 fans per game to put McMurry well into the Top 30.  The HSU-McMurry game was the best attended, a full house crowd of 2200 fans!

2005 D3 Attendance Figures
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mixitup on June 11, 2005, 01:23:30 PM
I think the ASC west is going to be a little down this year.  Howard Payne will always be Howard Payne, Okay talent that goes no where, Schreiner, well you know how that goes. McMurry seems to be losing everyone.  TLU graduated everyone, Hardin-Simmons, will be pretty good, got everyone back, but lost one or two and replacing Calvin night will be extremely tough.  UMHB seems to have a chance for success, good senior class, only real lose is Michael Blaylock and from the Tx hoops website a major recruiting class.  If they aren't good this year wait a year or two.  New building do great things I guess.  SRSU, you have to figure Davalos will get in JUCO kids that will make a difference.  CUA, not sure, I think Bonewitz will recruit well, but CUA is a hard place to recruit to.  Look for an interesting season!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2005, 02:15:16 AM
On the front page, congratulations to and thank you to Rockland Owens for being a peripheral stem cell donor!

Rock, you have my early vote for ASC Sportsman-of-the-Year!:-)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jason Robinson on June 16, 2005, 02:09:15 PM
Mixitup
Youre right the west will be down this year and i predict the east to dominate. Most of the teams in the east are returning several key players. Dont forget that the east sent two teams to the big dance last year. Look for Mississippi College, East Texas Baptist, UTD, The Ozarks, and Austin College to compete for the top 4 spots. UT Tyler and Letourneau will knock off teams to make the race interesting just like last season! This season will be great
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Johnny Wells on June 16, 2005, 10:12:36 PM
i doubt the west will be down..since when was the west down compared to the east ??
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mixitup on June 20, 2005, 08:00:54 AM
I was not making the statement to say that I thought the east would be better. I was mearly making the point that the west teams are looking a little down for the season upcoming.  My true thoughts is that the east will be the about the same competively but it won't be such a landslide for west wins during the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Johnny Wells on June 21, 2005, 12:01:02 AM
oh okay, thanks for clearing that up mixitup...I think this is UMHB's year..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mixitup on June 21, 2005, 05:04:44 PM
I wonder how things are going to be with Russell back at McMurry.  I am surprised that Holmes let him come back considering they always seemed to have a slight dislike for each other.  I was a player during his assistant days and I remember they were terrible together.  They had great teams though.  I know everyone is excited to see the show on the sideline at McMurry!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Johnathan Biggs Johnson on June 22, 2005, 09:00:32 PM
What? They get along great. Holmes is excited to have him.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2005, 06:23:25 PM
I am excited to see the potential that Holmes/Van Landingham tandem can produce!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2005, 06:24:13 PM
Travis Tennison, please contact me via my email on my profile!:-)

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mixitup on July 17, 2005, 10:15:02 PM
Who are the top teams in the East?  Of course we have Mississippi College winning  it all.  Who will follow behind?  Was UTD a fluke or are they going to be good next year?  ETBU, as long as the Isom brothers are all they have, no chance.  They are good but not division winners without a supporting cast.  LeTourneau.....no chance.  Louisiana college.....no chance.  UT-Tyler.....not compliant yet.  Austin College.....can't get to the SCAC quick enough.  Ozarks, not sure about those guys.  O'Connor always seems to have a good year.  Sounds like a struggling east agian with an interesting finish for 2nd, 3rd, 4th.  My picks:
1. Mississippi college
2. UT-Tyler but UT-Dallas will fill the slot
3. Ozarks
4. ETBU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Johnny Wells on July 18, 2005, 12:12:11 AM
thats a pretty legit post
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jennifer baum on July 19, 2005, 01:48:35 PM
well now that we talked about the east, how do you feel the west will shape up?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 19, 2005, 03:36:23 PM
1) McMurry--Coach Vanlandingham is back as a full time assistant.  The last 2 seasons that Coaches Holmes and Vanlandingham worked together gave us an Elite 8 (2000) and a Sweet 16 (2001).  I am not saying that they will get there this year, but it would not surprise me either.  After all the ASC is showing much stronger in the playoffs.

2) SRSU--still strong...When does Coach Davalos get picked up by some D2?

3) UMHB--new facility gets some talent, but the place is too nice for a UMHB pit.

4) HSU--Lost Calvin Nite!

5) TLU--Lost Stolhandske...biggest rebuilding job in the division.  

6) HPU--and a strong 6th at that.

7) CUA--still could make the playoffs.

8) Schreiner--needs a good record against the East to help with playoff chances.  Scheduled to catch MC at home this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jennifer baum on July 19, 2005, 05:07:54 PM
My predictions for the west:

1. UMHB-return main core of team,and possibly the best recruiting class in the conference.

2. Sul Ross- always finds talent, good coach.

3. Hardin Simmons- everyone is back, but the loss of Calvin Nite will hurt them.

4. McMurry- loss of J.R., Tennison, Qualls, Autry, Riggan, and Lewis will hurt them bad.  

5. Howard Payne- alot of returning talent but Kendrick still needs help.  

6. TLU- Loss of Tommy, Summers, and Ekanem who was top 3 scorers will hurt them. Rebuilding.

7. CUA- young talent but a ways away.

8. Schreiner- improving but still a long ways to go.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Lee on July 25, 2005, 07:19:52 PM
My predictions for the west:

1.  Mary Hardin Baylor- have alot coming back and a good recruiting class.

2. Hardin Simmons- return 10 of their top 11 scorers.

3a.  Mcmurry 3b. Sul Ross- Ill put both these teams tied for  third. they both lost their main core of the team.  It will be up to whoever brings in the new guys that mesh together.

5.  Howard Payne-  will be very competetive.

6.  TLU- lost everybody

7.  Concordia-  needs a while to get the right players to play that system.

8.  Schriener-  will be more competetive then the usual schriener.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on July 27, 2005, 10:18:28 AM
After spending a couple days in Abilene, it looks like this will a rebuilding year for McMurry.  While they have lost much of their core, the addition of a full time assistant does help.  The issue however is can Holmes and Vanlandingham get the talent in to McMurry to replace what they have lost in such a short time period? The addition of Coach V will be a benefit to long term recruting and rebuilding, however the immediate impact for the upcoming year remains up in the air.  I agree with above mentioned predictions and I like McMurry picked in the 4th spot in the West.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warrior choc on July 27, 2005, 08:20:00 PM
ut tyler might not be able to go to the playoffs, but they will be the strongest team in the east beating MC twice in one season
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Holly Pride on July 28, 2005, 05:51:50 PM
Ralph-I like your enthusiasm!  Looking forward to watching the Indians kick some tail again.  Josh-I know one thing-McMurry will not lose to Hardin-
Simmons - I don't care if they lost some of their returners...I've seen some HSU returners and I wasn't that impressed.  Should be a fun rivalry!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Fanatic on July 29, 2005, 01:30:13 AM
Any word on any new recruits for the Indians?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warrior choc on July 30, 2005, 05:03:27 PM
Dont be Surprised really, ut tyler has picked up a bunch of recuits, one 6'9" guy from MC that broke his hand that they did not play another 6'7" three guard from Mississippi from a good junior college, pluse the recruits from Texas.... Mc will get upset in the east next year just watch out.... The Patriots will be ready for everything
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Caleb Foster on July 30, 2005, 05:06:40 PM
A link to HSU's Athletics Dept. web site article about HSU's basketball recruits:
http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/072005aaa.html
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 02, 2005, 04:49:36 PM
The Daily Dose has an item about provisional schools getting to skip a year if they can show that they have done a good job getting into compliance with the NCAA.

Is there any chance that UT-Tyler might get to skip a year and become a full member in 2006-07?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: "The Roop" on August 02, 2005, 05:26:57 PM
I think you should be in compliance before you can even apply, then there is no need for a waiting period. Gaining full NCAA membership shouldn't be as complicated as going to the DMV.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbu_alum on August 09, 2005, 10:35:56 AM
Ralph

I could be wrong but I think they asked for it and were turned down.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mixitup on August 12, 2005, 11:51:22 PM
i do know that UT-tyler made a bid to release themselves from that last year of probationary period and were rejected.  They were the first school to ask for it and were turned down.  It is a matter of time for UT-Tyler's dominance of the ASC, but trust me we can all wait for their complaince.  They will dominate the league in every athletic aspect.  I just hope they go division 2!!  I know that MC will be good and I am sorry there are doubters, but they will be able to compete with UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 13, 2005, 01:56:57 AM
This isn't even possible yet, it's just a proposal.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: "The Roop" on August 13, 2005, 10:17:03 AM
Fear not provisional members. There can be a post season provisional championship tournament. It will be "The Roop/DMV Classic". Entry fee is $18,000 per team and can be paid through PayPal.  

Greenheck Fieldhouse in Central Wisconsin may be the site as I can rent it for $10 an hour on weekends as I am a member of the facility. It's kind of like a Public Gym connected to the High School. For basketball it should seat about 2,500. 4,000+ if the Fire Marshall is properly compensated.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: basket on August 16, 2005, 01:50:48 AM
WARRIOR CHOC you got to be smoking thinking that 6 9' guy for MC was any good. By the way MC is going to win the ASC tournament guaranteed. You heard it from me first. That 6 9' kid is fat and slow anyway
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: basket on August 16, 2005, 01:55:39 AM
I heard MC got two division 1 post players that  transfered. Also the little quick athletic guard from Letourneau is going there also. All this talk about a recruiting class MC has one the top recruiting class. Although they already have a good team returning, they are trying to have a great team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:08:47 PM
Im jus lettin it be know that the COWBOYS are gonna defend that ASC West title they shared last yr.........espcially wit a more expierenced Pickleman, Kudrna, and Peters......now that they have the winning attitude they should tough to stop!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on August 20, 2005, 09:25:39 PM
HSU's Howard did recruit some height. Will any be impact players this year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Runkle on August 20, 2005, 11:50:47 PM
Does anyone know who the Indians picked up??  I heard they had like eight juco transfers that are coming in...i think McMurry will be alright if HSU shoots like Hoopshops spells....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 22, 2005, 12:17:05 AM
Runkle, the reports that I am hearing are that McMurry is guardedly optimistic about the quality of the transfers that Coach Vanlandingham and Coach Holmes have brought in.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on August 26, 2005, 02:19:47 PM
Pre-Season Predictions

UMHB
MCM
HSU
Sul Ross
Concordia
HPU
TLU
Schreiner

POY candidate -- Gatlin

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 26, 2005, 04:56:59 PM
ASC West predictions

1.  UMHB
2.  HSU
3.  McM
4.  Sul Ross
5.  HPU
6.  CUA
7.  TLU
8.  SU

C0-POY  - Gatlin(UMHB) Pickelman(HSU)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hopefan on September 02, 2005, 08:20:34 AM
Just out of curiosity, were any of the ASC schools (ie Louisiana College, Mississippi College) directly impacted by the hurricane?    I'm not familiar with their locations... I'm hoping those schools were away form the worst of it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on September 04, 2005, 11:25:23 AM
now that everyone is in school.  Has anybody seen their guys playing(of course I'm not talking to the coaches except Holmes) and want to give a report?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 06, 2005, 01:34:48 PM
MC had some on campus damage due to high winds.  There was a link somewhere that showed pictures from the campus.  Check out MC's website and you should be able to see it.  I hadnt heard from LC but I am sure they are taking in some of the students that were displaced from school.  It might help enrollment.  I know here they are trying to figure out some things for kids to be able to get into etbu.  They are allowing some displaced families to stay in our married student housing.  Marshall Civic Center was at home to about 300 people and I think a good number of them are still there.  Many students have been involved in helping and if you brought water to last weeks football game you got in for free.  A good amount of water was brought in for the red cross.

As far as basketball.  ETBU has a couple guys that could really help this year.  A point guard and a couple Forward/Centers should be able to contribute in a big way..  Melvin Allen is also back from his achilles injury and will help out as well.  When I get some names and a better look I will give a more detailed account.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baller i b on September 17, 2005, 08:56:48 PM
I been monitoring the posts of the South Region, and no one has mentioned Josh Joyner. The most underrated player in the ASC. With a more solid and dependable supporting cast around him, Joyner should have a big year and as he goes so does the eagles. I would basically gurantee that they will be in title contention. If you dont believe me, just wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 19, 2005, 04:12:21 PM
Who is Josh Joyner and who does he play for?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2005, 08:43:08 PM
Josh Joyner plays for U Ozarks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Charge taker on September 19, 2005, 09:49:08 PM
What kind of talent does UT-Dallas have? Will they repeat as ASC Champs?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 01, 2005, 01:44:53 AM
doubtful....they went on an ubelievable run to end the year but I dont think it is there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2005, 03:10:57 PM
Midnight Madness at McMurry

Less than 11 days and 10 hours to go!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on October 04, 2005, 09:17:33 AM
Year of tha Cru!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on October 04, 2005, 01:31:34 PM
This is the year that Mississippi College gets repsect nationally!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2005, 02:12:02 PM
MC boy, I heard that MC had a great recruiting class but lost a few really good players to Hurricane Katrina, (not lives, but plans to go to college this year).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on October 04, 2005, 11:41:04 PM
I dont believe mc lost anyone due to katrina, also in the street and smith basketball magazine preseason polls has mc is rank #2 in the county behind -illinois wesleyan, tyler winford is 1st team all-american, c.isom is 2nd team all-american
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on October 05, 2005, 04:07:27 PM
I heard that yesterday also, and I know for a fact that they are gonna be really good. I can't wait for the season to start!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on October 06, 2005, 08:54:09 AM
if MC can be ranked #2 then i guess UT Dallas can be also...remember they did beat them pretty good in the finals of the conference tourney @ MC...i really don't buy into rankings..yes it looks good for your program...but no ranking has ever decided the conference champion or national champion..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on October 06, 2005, 05:34:37 PM
Everyone knows that the UT Dallas@ MC game last year was a fluke. UT Dallas wasn't half as good as MC, UT Dallas knows that also. MC deserves their ranking and they are going to show you and everyone in the nation that this program is one of the best in the country. They didn't lose anyone but the point guard, and they always recruit well. Before the season last year they were picked to win it all and they had lost majority of their players, so that should tell you something. MC is going to bring the noise this year just wait and see!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 09:28:51 PM
Rankings are earned over the full season, not just one game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on October 07, 2005, 10:33:22 AM
Does anybody know when the conference pre season rankings come out?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 09:18:35 PM
Midnight Madness at McMurry!

Less than 7 days 3 hours and 42 minutes left!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2005, 07:02:47 PM
Midnight Madness at McMurry!!!

Three days, 5 hours, 57 minutes and 14 seconds!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on October 12, 2005, 01:26:41 PM
Ralph,

How good can the Indians be this year?  Can we expect a battle between the CRU, the Lobos and the Indians?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 02:48:29 PM
jmnaseum, only 2 days, 10 hours and 12 minutes until I get my first look at the 2005-06 Indians at

Midnight Madness at McMurry! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on October 13, 2005, 12:19:22 AM
LC had some damage to the campus but nothing severe. I believe this could be LC's year if they pull together as a team. Got some good recruits in this year. LC will be in the ASC Tournament this year you can count on it. We start practice on Sat. My predictions for the East this year:
     1.  ETBU
     2.  MC
     3.  UTT
     4.  UTD
     5.  LC
     6.  Ozarks
     7.  Austin
     8.  Letourneau

POY - Cedric Isom
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on October 13, 2005, 01:42:18 PM
Can't forget about the Cowboys being in the mix with the Cru,Sull Ross ,and the Indians.  They only lost one player.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 13, 2005, 05:29:03 PM
#2 may be a little high but I am glad that MC will have the oppourtunity to bring the spotlight to the ASC this year.  Ive heard they picked up the little point gaurd from Letu (I think his name was collins).  Winford is good but I dont know about All American.   11.9 PPG and 3.5 rbs from a post player is not that great.  He is a good player on a very good team but first team all american....I dont know.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: buckeye13 on October 14, 2005, 01:55:23 PM
I think John Collins could make a huge impact on MC this year. He has electrifying speed and was dominate at season's end as he learned to manage a game. His uptempo style might not fit MC to a "T' but they will have a very, very solid back court.

I'm sure Big John is anxiously awaiting his trip to Longview this year!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2005, 07:50:16 AM
Midnight Madness at McMurry was a great success!

There was a really big turnout and the administration did a great job.

Team looks really good.  Coaches Holmes and Vanlandingham have plenty of talent with which to work!

P.S., the coolest moment in Midnight Madness occurred when random drawings selected 3 fans from the crowd to try for prizes.  One guy and 2 gals were selected.

The first prize was for making a half-court shot.  The guy wearing a Duke Blue Devil jacket sank the first attempt from mid-court!  Swish! 8)  The crowd went "bonkers!"
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: btownbobo on October 18, 2005, 08:45:21 PM
De-bo

I love how you say this might be LC's year, but you have them 5th in your predictions, basically saying that if UTT was eligible for the playoffs, that LC would be out. I'm just saying that is kinda weird.

And ETBU at #1? If Isom had a supporting cast I might agree. I think they take 3rd at best.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on October 19, 2005, 10:50:41 PM
Well the reason I have them 5th is b/c you know when the polls come that is what I predicted the polls would have us. You can say what you want but we have a much more improved team this year with a new addition to the team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on October 20, 2005, 09:47:37 PM
What new additions do they have? Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on October 21, 2005, 03:20:29 PM
I think it is funny for someone to boast LC.  They claim to have these great recruits every year and end up being a marginal team. So, good luck LC!
I have not seen the #2 ranking nationally for MC.  I think that is a little much.  I think they will have hard games with ut-tyler, umhb, and srsu.  MC will win the east but it wont be easy!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on October 21, 2005, 07:49:44 PM
You know I never seen so many people down LC in my life on here.  We usually do have good recruitments that add to our game but somewhere towards the end of the season we can't pull it together and win on the road.  We lost 5 straight games last year to end the season and only needed 1 win to secure us a spot in the playoffs.  We have added different things to our schema (offense/defense) hopefully the players will come through this year and more games against the West since SRUS, HPU, MCM, and HSU are all coming to the Cat House.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on October 26, 2005, 12:15:17 PM
Maybe the reason everyone talks down on LC is bc any game at the "Litter Box" turns into the officials determining the game instead of the players.  There is no debate, look at the numbers.

I was just asking, who are these new recruits?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 26, 2005, 03:05:06 PM
= Three ASC players garnered Street & Smith's Preseason All-America notice, led by First Team selection Tyler Winford (Madison, Miss.), s sophomore forward from Mississippi College. Winford was last season's ASC East Freshman of the Year, All-East Division and NABC All-South Region pick. Guard Cedric Isom of East Texas Baptist is listed on the magazine's Preseason All-America Second-Team. Sophomore post player Travis Tennison (San Antonio, Texas/Converse-Judson HS) of McMurry is among the Honorable Mention Preseason All-American honorees.

Ralph, Is Tennison even coming back this year?  This was in with the listing of the men's preseason selections.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2005, 03:14:33 PM
dballa, actually, this is a secret!  Don't tell the rest of the ASC. ;)

Travis is not enrolled at McMurry.  His wife got a job (in San Antonio, I think).

I have not heard from Travis, so I don't know how he is doing.  If he reads this, I hope he will email me offline. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 26, 2005, 03:28:03 PM
Definitely a shame not to see him play again...although not too disappointed to not see him play against HPU :)  He is a great player, and what seems to be a great person as well.  The best to him and his family. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on October 26, 2005, 08:24:53 PM
Ok, for your information on the officials at the "Litter Box" , which we call the "Cat House" they sucked it up last year.  In my years of watching LC play on the road at home all their home games last year seemed like they were playing away for all the bad calls we got especially against ETBU.  We should have beat them last year at home.  We have a transfer this year that is going to help us out alot. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on October 27, 2005, 12:12:10 AM
I noticed pre season rankings came out, had LC 6th. Thats about right.

I also saw Hooper as Pre-season POY in the West. He's a pretty decent player, but I would have to go with Gatlin from UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: btlost21 on October 27, 2005, 12:20:59 AM
Now that the season is coming closer in to veiw, does anybody have any opinions about maybe a dark horse team or player? ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 12:25:28 AM
whitebuterflies,

Can you post the hyperlink to the Pre-season poll?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 27, 2005, 04:44:57 AM
Ralph not the hyper link but maybe it will do :)


ASC 2005-06 MEN'S BASKETBALL PRESEASON POLL, AWARDS
Selected by Conference Coaches, Sports Information Directors and Media

ASC EAST DIVISION
Rank Team (first place votes) Points
1. Mississippi College (19) 173
2. East Texas Baptist (3) 138
3. Texas-Tyler 125
4. Texas-Dallas 113
5. Univ. of the Ozarks 85
6. Louisiana College 79
7. Austin College 45
8. LeTourneau 34
ASC East Preseason Player of the Year:
Cedric Isom, G, Sr., East Texas Baptist

ASC WEST DIVISION
Rank Team (first place votes) Points
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (8 ) 127
2. Sul Ross State (4) 121
3. McMurry (5) 120
4. Hardin-Simmons (3) 119
5. Howard Payne 73
6. Texas Lutheran 58
7. Concordia-Austin 48
8. Schreiner 36
ASC West Preseason Player of the Year:
Sidney Hooper, G, Sr., Sul Ross State
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 27, 2005, 11:34:23 AM
LC always has a decent team they just dont seem to put it together in the end.  Last years collapse had alot to do with not taking care of the ball down the stretch especially against ETBU.  I heard that they do have a post player in that transferred but we will see how he pans out.

I believe ETBU has a scrimmage against someone so I will let you guys know how they do.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 27, 2005, 12:14:16 PM
I think the west predictions were pretty close with the top 4 all within a few votes of each other.  I would have HSU up higher since they have alot of players returning, but UMHB, HSU, SRU, and McM should all be there in the end.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 06:04:24 PM
The Top 4 are so close, that I could imagine flipping the teams on one hypothetical ballot.

Imagine someone put UMHB as #1 (8 pts), HPU #2 (7 pts), SRSU as #3 (6 pts), McMurry #4 (5 pts) and HSU #5 (4pts).

Then on this hypothetical ballot,

Flip UMHB to #5, subtract 4 pts to give them 123 total.
Make HSU #1 to add 4 points to give them 123 total.
Make SRSU #2 to add 1 point to give them 122 total.
Make McM #3 to add 1 point to give them 121 total.
Drop HPU to #4 to subtract 2 pts to give them 71 total.

That is how close it is.  IMHO it is a virtual 4-way tie.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 27, 2005, 10:05:19 PM
ETBU looked pretty good tonight.  Bossier Parrish was pretty athletic but not very good offensively.  I was pretty pleased with how the post players played.  Melvin Allen is going to help.  Brent Compton who is a transfer also played very well.  If you can believe it or not Cedric got better.  He has extended his range.  I think he hit 4 threes with a couple of them being NBA range.  They played two halfs and ETBU won both of them by 5 or 6 each.  Then the JV played a period and lost by a couple.  Good opening effort for the tigers.  The first two games will be pretty rough.  LSUS went to the Semis I believe last year and they have at least 3 d-1 transfers.  Should be very tough games for ETBU.  If they can play either of those teams close the east better watch out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 10:35:21 PM
etbu alum, any thoughts of ETBU and LeTU hosting Huntingdon and another South Region independent, like a Rust, in an early season tournament.  You could reciprocate in Montgomery the next year.  The history in that part of the South is interesting.  So the trip might be worthwhile  (501.4 miles to Montgomery according to the Streets and Trips guide)

Two victories would help your QOWI so much, and it would help Rust and Huntingdon get South Region games.

The new AD at LeTU came from Huntingdon.  That was my hope for some relationship to connect South Region teams.

I am not trying to call you out, but Pat Coleman did have a piece in the Daily Dose earlier this month about ASC Scheduling, and ETBU did not fare well by his criteria.   Just trying to help the conference. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2005, 10:43:43 PM
That blog post:
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=61
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 28, 2005, 09:56:53 AM
My thoughts on scheduling and I think this goes along with what our coach's think.
The reason behind a lot of our scheduling is budget, competition, and the lack of a real chance at a bid.  All the non conference games are close and can be made for pretty cheap.  We are playing Northwestern State for a payday (not sure how much but every bit helps). We hate playing Wiley, but we also cannot get away without playing them or the local paper would rip us and it would not help with recruiting.  I think the other part is that we play the schedule we do so we can see very good teams in the preseason.  Teams that are better than most of the competition we will see in the ASC. 
I also think that the only teams that can get a bid out of the ASC are MC, MCM, and maybe Sul Ross.  So we put our eggs in one basket. Too much dissapointment in counting on a bid. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on October 31, 2005, 10:07:01 AM
What does everybody think about HSU getting votes for the top 25??
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 01, 2005, 04:23:54 PM
HSU getting some votes shows the ASC is getting love around the Nation.  Gotta love it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 02, 2005, 03:05:07 PM
I'm glad that the ASC is getting some recognition in the polls, still the d3hoops poll mean nada.

D3hoops, and anyone else who conducts a poll might want to take in account other predictions and pools from people with more basketball knowledge and creditability. It baffles me that UMHB, SRSU, and McM all were picked ahead of HSU, and still recieved no credit in the pools. Someone wasn't doing their homework.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 02, 2005, 08:59:44 PM
I meant polls not pools.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
whitebutterflies, IMHO, Calvin Nite was the main difference between the 2004-05 Cowboys and the 2003-04 Cowpokes.

He graduated.  HSU was not disrespected.  They were 2004-05 ASC-West tri-champs but did not make the conference tourney finals.

If you look at the balloting, there are 8 votes difference between UMHB and HSU.  Now, let's imagine that one of the 20 ballots has UMHB in first, HPU "hidden" in 2nd for the 7 votes without calling the attention of a 1st place vote, SRSU in 3rd, McMurry in 4th and HSU in fifth.

Switch places in the ballot of a single first place vote from UMHB (worth 8 points on an 8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 system and give it a 5th place HSU. Drop HPU from 2nd to 4th.  Move up SRSU and McMurry one place each to 2nd and 3rd. Move UMHB to 5th on that single ballot.  (Shucks I can imagine Darrell Royal filling out such a ballot and "po-mouthing" his own team so as not to call attention to his team!)

That ballot give a recalcuated tally and breaks out this way:

UMHB (7) 123
HSU (4) 123
SRSU (4) 122
McM  (5) 121.
HPU 71...

That balloting is very close!!!!

No one is disrespecting HSU.  The Cowboys have never played a D3 NCAA tournament basketball game.  Coach Howard is good.  Coach Howard may be the single reason that HSU is getting national recognition.  In fact, I still am amazed that someone at another level, D2 or D1 mid-major, hasn't talked to him about an assistant's job, at the least.

As for D3hoops.com Mississippi College got the respect that I would expect.  We have had only 2 Elite 8 teams (McMurry in 2000 and SRSU in 2004) since  the onset of the Pools in the 1998-1999 season...not very impressive. Mississippi College made the Sweet 16 last year, but was handily defeated.  They are getting the respect  carried over this year.

HSU hosts a very very good Southwestern team on  22 Nov 2005.  A solid victory by the Cowboys will begin to put the Cowboys on the radar screen.

I have one other thought about Polls.  Polls are a measure of reputation to some degree.  Various confernces get respect by past performance.  (We get cut some slack in football, because everyone knows how good the conference has been in the last few years.)

We will have to earn it in basketball.  MIssissippi College really doesn't play anyone who has playoff experience out of the conference.  The Fisk game is the only D3 game that they have.  Carver Bible and Wesley (MS) may even hurt them.  A Top 25 team ought to play better competition than that.  It would not surpise me to see MC lose votes after those first two games.

As Polls go, you get an early ranking.  You may string some impressive wins, like beating both UNT and SMU, to give you a boost.  But, the main way you rise is when teams above you lose. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on November 03, 2005, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
No one is disrespecting HSU.  The Cowboys have never played a D3 NCAA tournament basketball game.  Coach Howard is good.  Coach Howard may be the single reason that HSU is getting national recognition. In fact, I still am amazed that someone at another level, D2 or D1 mid-major, hasn't talked to him about an assistant's job, at the least.

Why would a relatively successful D3 head coach have any interest in becoming a D2 assistant?  Clearly D1 assistant isn't something that Howard is that interested in because that is what he left to come to HSU and a head coaching job at either of those levels from D3 you have to win more than he has. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 03, 2005, 08:22:27 PM
WHAT?????

Ralphy,

I am saying that HSU got too much respect, garnering attention in the polls, when 3 teams were ranked higher than HSU.

And I have no idea how to respond to your chaos theory on how someone could've voted. The fact is UMHB was 1, SRSU was 2, and MCM was 3, and HSU was 4. Still HSU got love in the polls. That is what I dont understand.

That being said, d3hoops or anyone else cannot predict how the season will go, so polls are worthless anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2005, 09:29:29 PM
UMHB -- has lots of players back.  How did the new facility help with recruiting?
SRSU--3 consecutive ASC-West titles and ASC-West POTY is back!
McM--Coach Vanlandingham is back and has brought in some real talent!  Now to see how they gel!
HSU--Lost Calvin Nite and needs to answer depth questions.

HSU hosts "#28" Southwestern on Nov 22nd.  Southwestern is tall and experienced and the CCIW people respect Southwestern.  HSU can get good exposure with that win!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 04, 2005, 07:14:32 PM
Also for UMHB one of the new guys Ben Camillo from Argyle visited and was looking at etbu.  How has he done so far?  Will he have an impact for them?>
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on November 07, 2005, 12:11:01 PM
From what I have heard UMHB swept the d3 market in Texas H.S. this year.  So, Ben and others are very good players.  I will say for UMHB if they need freshman to make an impact they are not deserving of the #1 ranking in the west.  Freshman can be good role players but upper classmen make a team good!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 07, 2005, 07:11:16 PM
Centanary scrimmage on friday for the Tigers.  Anyone else playing this week?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 07, 2005, 09:30:02 PM
UMHB scrimmage against Southwestern on Wednesday.

I'm pretty sure that UMHB is not going to count on thier freshman at all, probably the least of any team out West. With 11 returners competing for spots, there isnt much room on the floor.

If anyone is deserving of the number 1 ranking in the West it is Mary Hardin Baylor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on November 08, 2005, 12:14:36 PM
I think Sul Ross deserves the #1 ranking in the West personally.  Until they don't win the West they need to be given the #1 ranking.   UMHB got spanked by SRSU last year both times.  I know they have a lot coming back but have they got in some experienced talent that can play with SRSU.  You have to know Davalos braught in about 15 JC players, he always does.  SRSU the team to beat!!!! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on November 08, 2005, 08:46:51 PM
LC is scrimmaging Arkansas Monticello this Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 09, 2005, 02:44:20 PM
If SRU beating UMHB twice means they should be #1 then HSU should be #1 because if memory serves me right HSU beat SRU twice last year. Preseason Rankings really dont mean much because HSU wasnt picked in the top 4 last yr and ended up as tri-champs.  Its going to be interesting to see how the season plays out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on November 09, 2005, 10:37:17 PM
does anybody know how umhb looked against southwestern in the scrimmage?  Southwestern has a good team and it would be interesting to see how they did.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 09, 2005, 11:44:34 PM
umhb looked pretty good...they have a lot of guys...if u combine the 3 twenty minute halves...umhb won by about 14
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on November 11, 2005, 02:10:26 PM
I decided, because I had nothing to do, to drive to UMHB and watched the scrimmage.  Which is a feat in itself because it took me about two hours.  I wanted to see what the hype was about since UMHB has never been pre-season #1 in the West.  Well, I saw a pretty impressive show.  They were big, athletic and shot the ball really well except for a draught in the first half.  Southwestern can really shoot it they just couldn't physically compete.  UMHB has a lot of guys and never seemed to go backwards with subs.  To be quick and athletic and start everyone over 6'5 up to probably 6'10 except for the quick little point, I think Gatlin, you have a chance of being good.  Their freshman were really impressive.   If all of them stay they will have great teams to come!  UMHB may not win the west, they have a chance. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BLACKPEARL on November 11, 2005, 08:36:52 PM
ETBU ALUM how did the tigers do tonight. i heard it was a closed door scrimmage?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 12, 2005, 12:31:56 AM
I heard from weave that they played them pretty close but lost by 7 at Centenary.  Chris and Cedric both sat out, but I do not know why
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 12, 2005, 11:56:21 PM
UTSA played Concordia in an Exhibition...here is the article..concordia 68 utsa 110

http://www.goutsa.com/mbbrelease20051112.asp
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 16, 2005, 12:25:49 AM
Tarleton State beat HPU 76-53 tonight.

HPU played really hard and has some really good guards this year.  They played the best posts they'll see all year with Works and Gamble for TSU.

If they cut out some of the sloppy play, block out more and play as hard as they did tonight, they will be in that conference tourney at the end of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on November 17, 2005, 10:33:24 AM
Has anyone heard anything on HSU's scrimmages?  We have not heard the Cowboys are doing preseason!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 18, 2005, 03:03:39 PM
Tigers lose by 3 to Div 1 Northwestern St.  Cedric had the ball stripped while trying to get off a game tying 3.  Tigers were up by as many as 11 in the second half.  Tough loss for the Tigers.  Northwestern State was picked 65 in the country in a recent espn magazine article.  Cedric and Melvin Allen both had big games for the Tigers.  Doubt they will be inviting us back next year.

Tigers have LSUS NAIA semi finalist next tuesday.  Northwestern State has Missouri coming up.

ETBU 47% from the field
Cedric Isom 28 pts 11-19 shooting 7 assists 7 to
Melvin Allen 20 pts 7-11 shooting 8 rbs
Chris Isom 17 pts 6 rbs




Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BLACKPEARL on November 18, 2005, 06:49:30 PM
good job soles you keep posting those stats.
see you tuesday at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 07:41:56 PM
HPU beats D-2 A&M Commerce 78-70 today in Stephenville.  Good win by HPU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2005, 08:25:27 PM
Wow dballa!  Way to go Jackets!

And oh no!  Melvin Allen is back!  I wish you could have picked up that one, ETBU!

The CCIW board was commenting how UT-Dallas was not rolling over for IWU at the Wabash Little Giant tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 08:29:27 PM
Sounds like this conference might be a very competitive one this year.  It will definitely not be easy to make the top 4 on either side.  Should be a lot of fun to watch this year :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 09:39:15 PM
UT-Dallas lost to Illinois Wesleyan #1 team in the nation 71-58 tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2005, 10:30:56 PM
#22 Aurora 98, McMurry 86.  Aurora pulled away in the second half.  This is a veteran team that is likely to win the NIIC.   Aurora IL is only 20 miles away from Wheaton IL, so it was practically a "neutral-site" home game.

http://www.wheaton.edu/Athletics/mbasketball/stats/mpfund1.htm

McMurry is likely to play Concorida WI tomorrow in the consolation bracket.

McMurry had 11 players play double-digit minutes.  Looks like the players are learning the system! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on November 18, 2005, 10:42:31 PM
From the scoreboard McNeese St 68 UMHB 63
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 19, 2005, 08:09:11 AM
North Texas 85
HSU 48

The 23-0 run by NT (D1) at the beginning of the second half was a "killer."

Should be good playing experience anyway...Go Cowboys!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 12:16:09 PM
Way to go ETBU Tigers!

SI had Northwestern State as the #61 seed in their pre-season March Madness bracket.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 19, 2005, 02:12:10 PM
UMHB goes to McNeese and only looses by 5.

From what I heard they were up by as much as 12 in the first half. If UMHB can keep this kind of play and intensity against the rest of the ASC, they will roll through conference and host the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 19, 2005, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: whitebutterflies on November 19, 2005, 02:12:10 PM
UMHB goes to McNeese and only loses by 5.

From what I heard they were up by as much as 12 in the first half. If UMHB can keep this kind of play and intensity against the rest of the ASC, they will roll through conference and host the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 19, 2005, 05:20:16 PM
This is a lte report from the McMurry Game last night but here it goes.

Overall, this team is still learning.  They played hard and at times the pressure defense was effective, however they still made mistakes which at times led to layups by Aurora and many good looks from behind the arc.  Make no mistake, Aurora is a really good team that had to play its best (shooting nearly 60%) to beat a team this is still coming together.  Offensivley, McM seemed to struggle most of the night, another sign that there is still work to do.

Tonight we take on Concordia, which should be another interesting test.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 08:25:30 PM
McM Blue, the Indians led at the half 51-44.  They are up by 16 with 17:54 minutes left, 64-48.

Tee Jay Void has 10 2nd half points in a hurry.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 08:36:41 PM
McM 76 CU-W 56, 14:15 left.  Indians have been able to run.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 19, 2005, 08:50:47 PM
Alma 71
UT-Dallas 69


Great game to watch - the Comets battled back from 18 down to tie the game with about :20 left.  An Alma player hit a tough shot to put them up 2 with :04 to go.  A Martin Salinas 30 footer was short at the horn.

The Salinas kid is really a player.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 08:51:45 PM
McM 87-66, 10:01 left.  The CU-W has been surprised that McM has been able to score 36 points in 10 minutes of play.

McMurry has lots of steals and lots of points off the transition.

Four McMurry players are already in double figures and two more have 9.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 08:52:12 PM
Thanks for the report, Q!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 09:00:03 PM
McMurry 100 Concordia-Wisconsin 75, 6:53 left.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 09:15:31 PM
Final-- McMurry 115, Concordia-Wisconsin  99.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 20, 2005, 11:00:34 AM
You're welcome, Ralph. 

Not sure what to make of Texas-Dallas.  I think they have a lot of talent, but that Alma team they lost to Saturday is not very good at all.  To be honest, after Friday's games at the Wabash tourney, I thought the Comets would blow Alma out.  (Alma did play very well Saturday though, and maybe they're better than I think.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2005, 01:18:13 PM
What I like about the box score of the McM/CU-W game is the distribution of points and minutes:

11 players with 9 or more minutes and 9 players with 8-17 points (6 in double figures).  That is the Holmes-Vanlandingham style of ball that we saw in the 1999-2000 and 2000-01 seasons. :)

I was also glad to see the 33-41 from the FT line and the FG accuracy.  They scored 82 points on 72 FG attempts.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on November 21, 2005, 04:21:49 PM
When Vandlandingham left McMurry they changed their style of play, now Vanlandingham is back and so is the McMurry style.  Why are they paying Ron Holmes?  Sounds like Vanlandingham is the coach and Ronnie is his Toadie!  Also, McMurry went down as a team when Vanlandingham was gone, now you are saying they are strong again.  Oh, if I was Ron I would get rid of Russell he is making him look bad!

Sorry Ralph I know it hurts your feelings to talk about about the beloved Ron Holmes and the Tribe!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2005, 05:09:13 PM
321, wow!  What did Coach Holmes do to you?  I have never heard Coach Holmes speak vindictively about either his mentor, Coach Kimbrell, or his likely protege, Coach Vanlandingham.

More accurately, we have the successes of the Athletic Department.  Coach Nichols obtained an NCAA Grant to hire Asst Coach Densman.  The administation has added funds to allow the hiring of a full-time men's assistant for the first time since Coach Van left.  Coach Holmes has taken on fundraising activities in conjunction with the new athletic field and track.  The colleges finances are in the best shape we have had since before the stock market downturn in March of 2000 and 9/11.

No one on the campus denies that Coach Van isn't extremely talented.  I am very happy that he is back from West Texas A&M.  I hope that he stays a long time!  To run the "system",  we will need 2 talented coaches who have a proven record and great chemistry and very little in the way of "egos" between them.

We have been out of the playoffs way too long.  I am ready to get back! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 21, 2005, 09:09:21 PM
I'd have to agree with Ralph on this.  A lot of factors contributed (and contribute) to the success of any college program.  We had a good mix of coaches when we were running the playoffs; I think we were better coached with both Ron and Russ than we would have been with either of them alone.  We had more money; the last few years have seen very tight budgets.  We had Veronica Snow, the assistant women's basketball coach, who I suspect was something of a mother figure to the guys after Ron and Russ pushed them to the limit.   One thing that Russ brings to the table, by the way, which no one's mentioned, is his recruiting ability.  He wrote his masters thesis at HSU on recruiting techniques.  And finally, after losing one game and winning one, is there really enough evidence to form any kind of judgments at all about how the McM team is going to be for the rest of the season?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2005, 10:24:48 PM
mcmfan, I ready for the full-fledged return of the Kimbrell Krazies!

Over on the Indian Nicknames board, the Yakama Indians bought the Yakima Sun Kings from the CBA.  They are changing the team name to Yakama to reflect the tribe not Yakima the city.

The new logo is a basketball with a band around it and 2 feathers.  If they market that as a baseball cap, I would like to have one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 21, 2005, 11:47:20 PM
From the McNeese Website

McNeese 98  LC 46

http://mcneesesports.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/mcnlc.html
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 22, 2005, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: 321inandout on November 21, 2005, 04:21:49 PM
When Vandlandingham left McMurry they changed their style of play, now Vanlandingham is back and so is the McMurry style.  Why are they paying Ron Holmes?  Sounds like Vanlandingham is the coach and Ronnie is his Toadie!  Also, McMurry went down as a team when Vanlandingham was gone, now you are saying they are strong again.  Oh, if I was Ron I would get rid of Russell he is making him look bad!

Sorry Ralph I know it hurts your feelings to talk about about the beloved Ron Holmes and the Tribe!


"MCMurry went down as a team when Russell was gone."  I believe McM still won ASC division titles and went to the Conference tournaments.  What Russell brings is the energy, help in recruiting and expertisie in a particular system.  What Holmes brings is experience, immense knowledge and also great recruiting. 321, Coach Holmes is still one of the best coaches in all of D3, if you doubt that look at the statistics and his winningpercentage.  If you have a problem with Coach holmes and Russell, that is fine I have no problem with that.  But please do not spout off inaccurate and false comments when you bring that problem to the surface.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on November 22, 2005, 10:53:18 AM
I told you I would strike a cord with some of you.  I just ask the question, would Doug Davalos let an assistant change their entire game plan.  Would LC's coach or the coach at ETBU change their game plan for an assistant?  I do understand that assistants can bring some variety to a program and something new, but to change the whole program!  I am just listening to you all talking about the changes back to the old McMurry, well why do they come and go with a coach?  I think it is a good question.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2005, 11:33:23 AM
321, I respectfully answered that!  The changes came with the talent that the newly-hired and -funded assistant coach brings, the coaching skills and personality of this assistant, and the chemistry that brought Elite 8 and Sweet 16 berths to the Holmes-Vanlandingham team.  We have had no other Elite 8 appearances by an ASC team!  Not Coach Davalos and that talented 2004 SRSU team.  Not ETBU, nor LC, nor any of the powerful MC teams!

There are no egos here between these two coaches.  They share an admirable relationship between mentor and protege.

There is a premise in medicine concerning the respect of the student for the teacher found in the Oath of Hippocrates.  This premise is easily transferrable into higher education in general, namely the veneration of the teacher by the student.

Quote...that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation- to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath...

I have never heard a coach of any reputation who did not acknowledge the essence of this in respect to his own development.  We are fortunate to see this in Coaches Holmes and Vanlandingham, and we McMurry fans are very excited!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on November 22, 2005, 03:19:08 PM
To get back to basketball.  Which game do ya'll think is the most interesteing for saturday.  I think HSU and UT-Tyler.  I know people are expecting a lot out of both of these two teams.  I want to see what they are made out of!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 22, 2005, 05:36:23 PM
Right now, all the games are interesting.  At this point in the season, no one knows what any of the teams are made of!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 22, 2005, 09:09:30 PM
Half:

HSU   40

SW    29

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 22, 2005, 10:20:51 PM
Final...per gametracker:

HSU 67

SW  63
......................................... :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2005, 11:21:54 PM
Per TU game tracker, TU 97, HPU 85. 

Thanks to TUSID for the link! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 22, 2005, 11:54:05 PM
LSUS 90  ETBU 87

A Kid hit a 3 at the buzzer to beat etbu.  Cedric Isom stole the ball from LSUS's Rico Payne and made a layup with about 17 seconds left to tie it.  LSUS is ranked #7 NAIA and I believe made the semifinals last season.  Tigers played well just came up  short in the end.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 23, 2005, 12:39:46 AM
Ralph that HPU/TU, TU led by 14 at the half then HPU cut it down to 3 or 4 with about 5 mins to play then TU pulled away for a larger victory.  HPU definitely has a lot more shooters this year and will be very dangerous all year long.  Gotta remember this is a TU team that knocked off the #11 team in the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Fan of the Game on November 23, 2005, 01:43:49 AM
HPU looked like a different team vs last year.  They should do well this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 26, 2005, 11:35:03 AM
conference openers and the board is dead....hope it heats up later. 
ETBU plays Schreiner and TLU.  Anyone have a scouting report on TLU?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 26, 2005, 03:35:33 PM
If Jean can continue to play at the level he is playing at HSU should be all right come playoff time because Pickelman has proven what he can do.  Hopefully Peters can also keep up the production he showed in the UNT game and keep the lockdown status he showed against Bowser in the Southwestern game.  Barring any letdowns HSU should easily be in the confernce tourney.

GOOD LUCK TONIGHT COWBOYS!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on November 26, 2005, 04:18:47 PM
Can anyone tell me if the MC - SRSU game will be broadcasted over the net anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 06:15:35 PM
according to the scoreboard MC 91 SRSU 68.

MC looks like they might be for real this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 06:42:41 PM
HPU 72 LC 71.  HPU was down by as much as 20 and by 11 at the half.  Good comeback win.  Got a really tough game against MC on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 26, 2005, 07:44:12 PM
ETBU 77  SU 60 or something like that

Cedric was the only one in double figures.  25pts 12rbs 5assists

Sloppy game but a good win for ETBU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2005, 07:49:47 PM
McM 91, UTD 88.  I saw the last 11 minutes of the game.  UT-D went on a 10-0 run in the 2nd half to lead by 10 but McM closed the margin and went up by 5.  Down the stretch it was clutch play by Bryant, Williams, Colina and others for McMurry and Salinas for UT-D.

IMHO, Salinas is the most spectacular player in the conference from my early assessment.  He had 40 points tonight!

However, I like the new players that McMurry has brought in,  Colina, Void, Baker, Brashears and Stevens especially.  Bryant, Faught and Williams seemed to have developed even more in the off-season.  Forgive my bias, but I really like watching Colina from Venezuela.  He plays the beautiful, fundamentally-solid basketball that we are seeing on the international scene and that is eating the sack-lunches of NBA streetball playas!

Again, I really like this McMurry team!  This should be a good one for a conference that has gotten stronger!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on November 26, 2005, 08:25:46 PM
Interesting:

Hardin-Simmons 65
UT-Tyler   75  FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on November 26, 2005, 08:55:09 PM
Ozarks 50, UMHB 48

Ozarks led by 11 at halftime, but UMHB came out in the second half with tough defense, and Gatlin hit a couple of three-pointers in a row.  UMHB tied the game (don't think they ever pulled ahead), then Ozarks got back to a 6-point lead with less than a minute left.  Some wild scrambling around on two consecutive inbounds passes later, UMHB had the last shot with 8 seconds left but missed. (Whew!)

Ozarks' women also won (I think the score was 75-69).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2005, 09:17:39 PM
It is tough to win on the road in the ASC!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on November 26, 2005, 09:51:27 PM

Thanks Daballa,

Looks like we are in for a pretty interesting year in the ASC. The West should be just as competitive as the past few years and the East looks awfully good also. Although two or three games don't tell anything about how good or bad teams are.

The Lobos played and impressive game against UTPA last week. Just like a few other teams in the ASC against D-1 teams. This year's team is more athletic and a better shooting team than last years. However, one of their weaknesses as I'm sure we all know is a lack of experience. The Golden Dome is probably a tough place to play for seniors (was for me anyway) let alone all the freshman we have this year.

Hang in there Lobos! 

Play hard, play smart, play together
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on November 26, 2005, 10:18:36 PM
Wow...there must have been some great defense or poor shooting in the UMHB @ Ozarks game.  Maybe both. 

50-48?  That is very low scoring. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2005, 10:20:08 PM
SRLobo 51, welcome aboard in your new capacity.  Glad to have you!

Now you can post to your heart's content. :D

(You always were on my all-opponent team!  You are a class act!)

I see you have found the scarlet fonts. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on November 27, 2005, 12:07:02 AM
Thanks Mr. Turner,

I guess now I can work on getting into the hall of fame with over 6000 posts ;D. It's going to be tough for me to sit in the stands and watch. I had a hard enough time sitting on the bench waiting for my name to be called at times last year.

I thought the scarlet font added a nice touch to the posts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 27, 2005, 10:25:10 AM
I'm not sure if LC will be playing your game on the radio or not but here is the link to get it online

http://www.lacollege.edu/kzlc/index.html

they didn't do the game against HPU but it might have been because of the holiday.  They may do the broadcast Monday night since the students should be back and school up and running again.

I saw the link for the MC broadcast but I don't know if they'll be doing Monday's game against HPU or not? Maybe someone from MC can let us know?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 27, 2005, 04:23:33 PM
I was at the men's game yesterday.  I missed McM back in the day, it was an interesting style of game playing.  I felt like I needed a large cup of coffee with a double shot of espresso to keep up with the game.  It is some crazy stuff, I don't know how they'll keep that kind of a pace all season. I feel for the officials, I don't know how they can keep up with them running the floor like that, bodies flying around everywhere.........it's fun to watch when you win though!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:10:08 PM
McM 48, UT-Tyler 46 halftime.  UT-Tyler was up by 10 in the 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:36:02 PM
McM trailed by as much as 10 points several times in the second half, but have come back to take a 1 point lead with 2:20 in the game.  McM 87  UT-T 86  .

UTT 1:45 Henderson missed.  Hobbs FG.  UT-T by 1, 88-87.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:37:26 PM
McM-- JR Williams at the line 1:25  FT  2-2. McM  89-88.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:39:18 PM
McM causes a Turnover. Tee Jay Void lay-up McM 91-88.
UTT-- Branch at the line FT.  Makes 0-2.  McM Baker Reb     0:54.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:40:16 PM
McM-JR Williams draws a charge 0:33. McM 91-88.  Time out McM.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:44:11 PM
McM--JR to the line.  FT  1-2. McM  92  UTT 88.  0:31
UTT-miss.  Colina rebounds and then is called for an elbow with players hanging on.

The McM announcers are really disparaging one particular referee. 0:18 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:51:42 PM
UT-T  misses 3 shots and then fouls McM Elijah Bryant  0:06.2 sec.
McM-Bryant FT 2 -2.  McM 94-88.

UT-Tyler Weasby 3FG.  McM 94-91. Weasby is 8-14 on 3FG for 30 points.

McM inbounds with 1.9 secs. JR is fouled.  FT 2-2.  McM 96-91

UT-Tyler 0.9 secs.  Colina intercepts the pass.  Final McM 96-91. 
Great road win and road trip.  UT-Tyler is a good team.  McM was down by 9 with 9 minutes left and win by 5!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2005, 10:53:51 PM
MC 94 HPU 86  Final 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 28, 2005, 11:19:50 PM
HSU 58
UTD 47

Final...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on November 28, 2005, 11:20:37 PM
Ozarks 92, Concordia-Austin 89

Habeeb Kareem had 30 points for Ozarks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on November 28, 2005, 11:34:24 PM
Very impressed McM was able to win both games on the road against two good teams.  I hope they continue to improve...if they do that they could have a chance this year.   But you better tighten your jock straps because with 20 conference games left...yes I did say 20...you have to play hard all year long no matter who you are playing.

We are so fortunate to be able to listen to the radio broadcasts here in Abilene...thanks to those guys and all the sponsors that make that possible.

I also wanted to give out a bigtime thanks to Coach Holmes and his staff for my trip to Chicago with the team...I would also like to thank the Administration, Professors, McM Friends, and the players for a great trip and for just great hospitality.  Oh, I don't want to forget our excellent van driver on the trip...Ha!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on November 28, 2005, 11:37:40 PM
thejungle,

How's it going! I have not talked to you in forever...you are getting more famous all the time
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 29, 2005, 12:01:56 AM
So how do we explain these results?  McM barely squeeks by UTD and HSU beats them by 11 points.  Yet HSU got beaten by UT Tyler on Saturday, and McM just won against UTT tonight.  First, has UTD been overrated as last year's conference champion?   And second, why did McM have so much more trouble against UTD than HSU?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 29, 2005, 12:07:19 AM
MCMfan  probably matchups.  Also if UTD is not shooting well then they are not very good...which I guess you can say about everone.

ETBU Beat TLU by 11.  I think it was 65-54.  Ced and Chris led the way.  TLU played very well defensively.  Tigers are back to 2-2
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 29, 2005, 09:37:51 AM
Big win for McM last night.  To go on the road and take these two is a huge step for a team that I feel is still learning and developing.  After seeing three of their first four games and listening to the game last night my observation is that this team (probably because of their style) tends to be very streaky.  The last two games they have been down double digits in the second half and then rallied to win and really take control of the game in the final two minutes.  As this team develops I hope that they can begin to put a full 40 minutes together, because if they can, they will be tough to beat.

Also props to HSU for their win last night, important to have a split on that trip.

FinnMan,

Thanks for the fun Chicago trip and if you ever need a ride to a game call that driver and a maroon van will pick you up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on November 29, 2005, 01:07:20 PM
The HSU Tyler game was much closer than the score made it seem.  It was a tie game with 3 minutes left in the game.  HSU commited about 3 or 4 turnovers in the final minutes that led to Tyler  pulling away.  And I do think that UT Dallas is one dimensional.  If they aren't hitting their threes than they are a very average team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 29, 2005, 04:08:20 PM
It was definitely good to see HSU salvage a split on this road trip and letting one go in Tyler on Saturday.  Good to see Kudrna step up and hit some big shots for the Cowboys because he along with Pickelman, Peters, and Jean will play a big role for the Cowboys this year. 

Does anyone know if Ozarks legit this year or did they benefit from the opposing teams bad play this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on November 29, 2005, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: hoopshops on November 29, 2005, 04:08:20 PMDoes anyone know if Ozarks legit this year or did they benefit from the opposing teams bad play this weekend?

I don't know if I'm really qualified to answer this, but here's my two cents' worth. . . .

There is a lot of experience on the team this year.  Four of the five starters are seniors, and four of the five (not the same five) were starters last year.  We've also added quite a few new players, including some with size (for Ozarks, anyway -- no one over 6-6, but at least there are several that tall this year). 

The team lost only one player from last year, the leading scorer, Brent Johnson.  IMHO, losing the leading scorer is going to help, because it makes for a more balanced team.  Right now, there doesn't seem to be a designated "go to" guy. I'm sure Coach O'Connor is going to try to get as much out of Habeeb Kareem as possible, but it's not like he's the only thing going for the team.  There are some guys like Josh Joyner who can step up. And Brad Johnson is really good at running the offense.

I  don't know if they'll be "legit," though -- there's a big test coming up this weekend with a trip to SRSU and HPU. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 29, 2005, 09:49:34 PM
They are always incredibly tough at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 30, 2005, 02:02:46 PM
Big test for HSU on thursday with isom and etbu coming to town.  Hopefully Peters can keep up the great D he has been playing and contain Isom because when he gets going ETBU is really tough.  Also hope Coach Howard can keep his streak going against LU and sweep this weekend.  The conference will get a good look at how good ETBU is with them coming to Abilene this weekend because with HSU becoming a lot stronger team there are no easy wins on this road trip.  The Abilene trip could very well be the toughest road trip in the ASC.

What does everyone else believe the toughest road trip/weekend to be in the ASC?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 30, 2005, 02:40:07 PM
I agree the abilene road trip is now one of the toughest road trips..but the toughest in my opinion in the west has to be the SRSU and HPU road trip...not neccisarily because of the teams..but the travel..the teams have to prepare more MENTALLY..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on November 30, 2005, 07:43:36 PM
I agree with that.  A player has to prepare alot more mentally with the long trip to Alpine.  That is one of the toughest places to play.  But as far as how good the teams are it has to definetely be the abilene roadtrip.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 11:02:36 PM
My thoughts about road trips are that each have their own characteristics!

MC and LC -- llllooooonnnnnnnngggggggggg.  And can you ever get a decent game out of the refs on this trip?

UOz and AC -- long trip and Ozarks is so umpredictable.  Who becomes UOz's travel partner next year?

ETBU and LeTU--close together.

UT-D and UT-Tyler--Tyler is becoming a real bear!  And UT-Dallas was tourney champs last year.

TLU-Schreiner--may be the weakest pair except it is so far South.

UMHB-CUA--this has been a tough one for McMurry.

McM-HSU--you just cannot write-off HSU anymore.  That helps McM.

HPU-SRSU--Long trip.  SRSU has revived its hoops program.  Now the ASC-West champ is out in Gallego.  Playing in the Brownwood Mausoleum is as dreary as it was 35 years ago when it was new!Doesn't McMurry spend the Thursday night back at home before the Alpine leg?

Just who is the Official Motel of the ASC? ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 01, 2005, 01:52:17 PM
Someone is going to have to be solo and I am guessing it will be Ozarks.  Not fair to them but with only 7 teams in the east it will have to be that way.  Another possibility would be having ETBU and Ozarks together.  Then put Tyler and Letu together and then leave UTD solo since they are pretty central to east and west.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 09:08:48 PM
McM 28,  LeTU 17, 8:42 left in the 1st.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 09:15:15 PM
McM  42, LeTU 19,  5:49 left in the first.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 01, 2005, 09:26:28 PM
Half:

HSU  40

ETBU 33
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 09:30:56 PM
McM 52, LeTU 28 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 09:42:03 PM
LeTU  Burnett with 10 points off the bench.  FG 11-25, 0-5 on 3FG, 6-9 FT, 16 rebs and 16 TO's.

McM--JR Williams leads with 9 points.   FG 20-36, 3FG 8-17, FT 4-5, 16 Rebs, 8 TO's.   All 14 players that suited up have played for McM..

52-28 McM at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 09:53:49 PM
McM 61, LeTU 42  14:59 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 10:06:13 PM
McM 73, LeTU 46. 10:57.

For McMurry, FG 27-51, 3FG 11-26.  Rebs 21.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 10:09:38 PM
I just heard the McMurry announcer call the name of an official who made a bad call.

Flashback--I played football and ran track against that guy back in the 60's. :D :D :D


Correction, I checked the box score and saw that this ref must be a relative of the guy against whom I played.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 10:17:02 PM
McM 88 LeTU 58.  6:32 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 10:26:27 PM
LeTourneau has 31 turnovers, more TO's than FG's or Rebs.

McM 96, LeTU 63. 3:22 left.

McM is deep into its bench.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 10:33:31 PM
 LeTU averages 68.  McM averages 97.  It looks like they will hit their averages tonight!

Final McM 101-70.

McMurry had 12 players to score and got 21 steals and 34 turnovers on LeTU and out-rebounded LeTU 36-33.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 01, 2005, 10:42:26 PM
MC 90 - Concordia austin 71
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 01, 2005, 10:47:16 PM
HSU   82
ETBU 74

Per Game Tracker...with 17 seconds left...then my computer locked up OR the game is over.  If anyone knows the final score, or if it is different, please report it.

Thanks.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 01, 2005, 10:51:09 PM
HSU homepage shows the score above as a final:

82-74 HSU

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2005, 11:23:54 PM
HPU 86 AC 64
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 11:30:37 PM
at Sul Ross 84, UOz  80.

That is too close for SRSU comfort!

http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/mbasketball/schedule.html
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 01, 2005, 11:39:44 PM
38 free throws for hsu to 14 for etbu.  Very hard to win giving up an advantage like that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on December 02, 2005, 12:00:31 AM
To expound on that last comment, ETBU was called for 27 fouls, while Hardin-Simmons was whistled for only 14 in their first conference game at home.

Thus, HSU reached the double-bonus each half and ETBU received just a single trip to the line each half because of the bonus. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 02, 2005, 08:30:26 AM
I dont think it did but I wanted to make sure that my post was misunderstood.  I was not putting fault on the refs. You just cant give up that many more free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 02, 2005, 11:04:45 AM
Solid win last night for the Cowboys!  Good game by Jean and a solid defensive effort by Peters on Isom who played pretty good defense on him for most of the game.  Kudrna and Pickelman were their usual selves.   Good effort against a tough ETBU team Cowboys.

Go get one Saturday Cowboys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on December 02, 2005, 02:28:29 PM
Went to CUA vs. MC last night.  CUA is the best I have seen them since I was in school, MC is really good.  Not sure if they deserve #2 in the nation yet, but they do have a chance of winning the whole thing.  I was very impressed.  They are big, athletic and really pace the game well.  I am interested to see the score of UMHB and MC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 02, 2005, 05:36:45 PM
I am embarrased by the way the fans acted at the end of the Ozarks vs. Sul Ross game on Thursday night.  There is no need to sing songs to them, scream hateful things at them because they lost.  I feel that Sul Ross is very fortunate to have won that game.  It was a good game played by both teams and for the Lobo fans to treat the Ozarks team like they did is very uncalled for.  The Lobos play with a lot of heart and class.  If only the fans could show a little.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 03, 2005, 11:37:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 11:02:36 PM
Who becomes UOz's travel partner next year?

Not to be ignorant or anything, but what's a travel partner? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 03, 2005, 12:43:47 PM
a travel partners consists of 2 teams who travel on the same road trip..for example...MC and LC are travel partners and if MC is playing at UMHB then LC is playing at CUA since UMHB and CUA are travel partners...

Travel Partners:

MCM and HSU
CUA and UMHB
AC and OZAarks
TLU and SCHREINER
LETU and ETBU
UTD and UTT
SRSU and HPU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 03, 2005, 01:28:03 PM
etbualum -- I was not at the game and I do pull for HSU, but I agree with you that such a margin requires examination. The explanation could be the refs/home cooking. That will be revealed if such a pattern continues throughout the season and/or over the years. On the other hand -- and having played some roundball in my day (the laces were gone by then), sometimes  a team plays overly aggressive or is "outquicked" by the other team and, so, more fouls result. Also, it would be interesting to chart out the game to see how/when the fouls occurred. A defense sometimes can incur more fouls at a point when the other team has shifted its offensive scheme and/or package.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:20:03 PM
Aerie head, welcome aboard!  Thanks for asking for the clarification.  Sometimes we older posters may not explain some terms, concepts or even NCAA regualtions in ways that new posters can understand! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 04:22:02 PM
McM got out to a 10-2 lead then ETBU game back with a 15-2 run.  It is now 17-12 ETBU, 14:54.

McMurry has already put in its 2nd five.  Media time out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 04:33:20 PM
The Tigers are playing the up-tempo game well, leading 21-12.  13:35.  The challenge will be whether the Isoms and company can sustain this pace.  McMurry will run 2 and 3 lines (more like hockey and less like the Grinnell system.)

McM--Colina FT 1-2  ETBU 21-13.
ETBU-miss
McM--Elijah Bryant 3FG. ETBU 21-16.
ETBU--TO.  12:00
McM--TJ fouled 11:49. 3rd foul on G Cory Cooper. FT- lane violation, miss, rebs. Bryant misses, Dickerson misses ETBU rebs.
ETBU--11:21 left.  Calhoun 3FG 24-16.  11:04
McM--Dickerson FT 2-2, ETBU 24-18.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 04:35:25 PM
ETBU--TO
McM--miss
ETBU--10:20, blocked
McM--Brashears FG 24-20 ETBU
ETBU-- 9:56, media Time out
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 04:46:42 PM
McM 3FG 1-9 and 7-19 on FGs.
McM steals and shot no good.
ETBU--1&1 Palmer FT  1-2.
McM--Ross fouls ETBU 10th, JRWilliams  FG 1-2,    ETBU 25-21,  9:36
ETBU--Fouled shooting by JR Williams. Palmer FT  1-2. ETBU 26-21.
McM--TO
ETBU--9:00, missed shot
McM--Faught fouled by Compton, FT 1-2. ETBU 26-22.
ETBU--8:39, Calhoun 3FG. ETBU 29-22
McM--TJ Void 3FG ETBU 29-25.
ETBU--8:03, Cedric Isom FT  2-2, ETBU 31-25.
McM--Daily 3FG, ETBU 31-28.
McM--offensive foul Daily.
ETBU--7:40 Dickerson fouls, 10th for McM.  Melvin Allen FT 2-2, ETBU 33-28.
McM--Calhoun rebs.
ETBU--McM rebs. Melvin Allen fouls. 6:34.
McM--Stephens FT 2-2, ETBU 33-29.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 03, 2005, 04:51:09 PM
MC 36, MHB half 31 chocs havent estblished their running game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 04:52:29 PM
ETBU--McM Stephens steals and lay-up good.
ETBU--McM steals and Dickerson FT 2-2, 33-33. 6:19.
ETBU--Palmer lay-up on a Cedric Isom penetration. ETBU 35-33.
McM--Palmer fouls JR FT 2-2. Tied at 35. 5:50
ETBU--Brashears fouls Chris Isom FT 1-2, ETBU 36-35.
McM--Chris Isom steals and layup. ETBU 38-35.
McM--Faught carry--TO
ETBU--Cedric Isom FG 40-35 ETBU.
McM--traveling. Media Timeout ETBU 40-35. 4:35.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:00:48 PM
ETBU--Palmer jumper ETBU 42-35.
McM--TO the 11th of the 1st half.
ETBU--Cedric Isom called Time with defensive pressure.
ETBU--airball
McM--Charging Colina his 1st foul. 6 trips without a shot.
ETBU--TO Rollins
McM--TO--errant pass.
ETBU--TO
McM--TO  (really ugly here). 3:29.
ETBU-TO on the inbound pass.
McM--miss 4 shots and ETBU rebs.
ETBU--FG 44-35 ETBU 2:44.
McM--Baker fouled by Chris Isom.  FT 2-2, ETBU 44-37 2:20.
ETBU--Cedric traveled. Gift call should have been a foul.
McM--Baker on the finish. ETBU  44-39.
ETBU--1:47, Allen FG, ETBU 4639.
McM--FG.
ETBU--Baker steals , 4 on 1 Baker gets the tip-in.  ETBU 46-43. 1:02

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:02:48 PM
ETBU--Chris Isom reverse lay-up. ETBU 48-43.
McM--Elijah Bryant 3FG ETBU  48-46. 0:26
ETBU--Calhoun off Baker rebs
McM--miss 2 shots and Half, ETBU 48-46.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 03, 2005, 05:07:50 PM
HPU 35, Ozarks 30 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:27:21 PM
ETBU:  Allen 9, Cedric Isom 11, Calhoun 8, Chris Isom 8 Chris Isom 10, Palmer 8.  FG 18-30, 3FG 4-8, FT 8-11, Rebs 6 off + 9 def = 15 tot.

McM--Cole Dickerson 10, JR Williams 7, Bryant 6, Baker 6.
FG 14-37, 3FG 3-14, FT 15-19. Rebs 14 off + 8 def = 22 tot.
TO's 12, Steals 7.

ETBU--TO
McM--Dickerson FT 1-2. Rebs shot
...
...
McM--Colina FG McM 49-48
ETBU--Calhoun FG, ETBU 50-49.

McM--JR Williams injured, Daily subs. Dickerson FG, McM 51-50.
ETBU--18:08 Dickerson fouls--Chris Isom FT 1-2, 51-51.
McM--ETBU rebs.
ETBU--Chris FG. ETBU 53-51
McM--Chris Isom rejects
ETBU--FG
McM--Daily FG.  ETBU 55-53
ETBU--3FG.
McM--Colina 3FG. ETBU 58-56. 16:23.  MCM subs
McM--Faught FG and fouled, FT 0-1. tied.
....
....
ETBU 59-58--Rollins F.
McM--Raymond FG ETBU--61-60.
ETBU called for a charge. 14:49  media timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:34:11 PM
Correction on the score 60-60.

ETBU--Anderly miss
McM--JR is back in .  Mirabal in.  Colina FG. McM 62-60.
ETBU--Mirabal fouls Chris Isom 13:24.
ETBU--inbounds traveling Rollins.
McM--offensive foul Mirabal.
ETBU--Calhoun charges
McM--13:01, Dickerson offensive foul trying to get position.
ETBU--TJ rebs.
McM--Dickerson on the 3rd put back.
ETBU--Home run to Cedric Isom, Dickerson fouls. FT 1-1. McM 64-63.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:35:13 PM
Time out McM 64-63 12:15 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 03, 2005, 05:37:43 PM
51-50, HPU with about 12 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:40:45 PM
McM--JR FG
ETBU--JR steals FG
ETBU--misses
McM--Dickerson FG
ETBU--McM's Elijah Bryant steals Faught layup
ETBU--Steal by McM and JR layup
ETBU--FG. McM 74 -65  10:08.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:42:08 PM
McM--Colina reverse lay-up
ETBU--Baker steals on the inbound and FG.  McM  78-65
ETBU--media timeout 9:23
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on December 03, 2005, 05:48:03 PM
More frequent updates on MCM-ETBU please
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 03, 2005, 05:49:05 PM
62-58 Ozarks, 7:15 to play.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:51:04 PM
ETBU--Chris Isom FT  2-2, McM 78-67.
McM--reb Chris Isom
ETBU--Baker steal
McM--Chris Isom rebounds out of a 2-3 zone.
ETBU--Chris Isom FT 2-2, McM 78-69.
McM--JR Williams to the line,  FT 2-2.  McM 80-69.
ETBU--palming the ball.
McM--Bryant 3FG.  83-69.
ETBU--Allen fouled by Colina, FT 1-2,  McM 83-70. 7:47 left.
McM--stolen  and then out-of-bounds
McM--Dickerson fouls out. 17 pts
ETBU--Chris Isom FT  2-2, McM 83-72. 7:28
McM--TO.
ETBU--Allen 3FG.  83-75.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 03, 2005, 05:51:54 PM
66-64 mary hardin baylor wins
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 05:54:51 PM
...
...
...
...
...
... McM by 10 5:48 left.
ETBU--misses
McM--5:20, misses
ETBU--TO
McM--TJ  3FG, 88-75 4:40 left.
ETBU--Baker fouls Chris Isom.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on December 03, 2005, 05:55:33 PM
How are the Cowboys doing?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:00:20 PM
Lobos lead 56 - 42 early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 06:01:02 PM
ETBU--Chris Isom FT 2-2, McM 88-77.  (Chris Isom is FT 10-12)
McM--FG misses, OOB
ETBU--Daily fouls Cooper, a 29 % FT shooter, FT 1-2. McM 88-78. 4:28
McM--TJ fouled on the penetration, FT  1-2, McM 89-78.
ETBU--TJ steals and travels by dribbling, jumping over a player and then resuming his dribble.  ::)
ETBU--Cooper FG  McM 89-80.
McM--JR FG McM 91-80.
ETBU--3:29, Cedric Isom back in the game.  time out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 03, 2005, 06:02:15 PM
NO!! NO!!  It's Ozarks up by 2 with 2 minutes to play, and the internet radio transmission has cut off!  ARRGGGH!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:03:57 PM
59 - 46 lobo lead almost midway through the 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:06:04 PM
They lead by 21 at one point in the game and now take a 12 point lead into a timeout.

Hooper going to the line for the three point play the old fashion way.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 06:06:25 PM
Thanks Rockland!

ETBU--stolen by Baker FG on the layup  McM 93-80.
ETBU--Compton FG,  McM 93-82
McM--Colina called for a travel...2:48.
ETBU--stolen by Faught, Faught at the line (32 ETBU Turnovers) FT 1-2. McM 94-82.  2:38.
ETBU--Colina reb
McM--TJ misses lay-up
ETBU--Colina rebs
McM-- 1:55, Baker shot in the paint.  McM 96-82
ETBU--Palmer FG
McM--1:12. Colina FG, JR assist.  98-84
ETBU--Ryan 3FG.  98-87
McM--turnover.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on December 03, 2005, 06:08:27 PM
Thanks Ralph; keep 'em coming
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:08:39 PM
64 - 54 lobos with under 9 min to play on a AC layup and foul
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 06:10:46 PM
ETBU--Palmer FG  98-89.
McM--Colina FT 0-1,
ETBU--miss
McM--JR to line FT  2-2, McM 100-89,  0:17 left.  
ETBU--misses
ETBU--Ryan FG,  McM 100-91 Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:13:17 PM
Ely with a three and a tech is called on the AC coach. Hooper hits both shots
Lobo lead now 17
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:17:44 PM
76 – 67 lobo lead going into a timeout
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:18:28 PM
76 – 57 lobo lead going into a timeout
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 06:25:11 PM
Stats:

ETBU:  Cedric Isom 21 pts and 3 rebs, Chris Isom 21 pts and 11 rebs, Melvin allen 13, Calhoun 10, Palmer 10.

FG 32-62 52%; 3FG 7-21; FT 20-26; Rebs 11 off  + 20 def =31 tot.
TO's 31 .

McM--JR Williams 19, Cole Dickerson 17, Colina 14 pts + 8 Rebs, Baker 12 pts + 8 rebs, Elijah Bryant 9 pts.  FG 35-77 46 %; 3FG 6-25; FT 24-33 73%; Rebs 24 off + 23 def = 47; TO 23; steals 13.

Thirteen McM players played, and 11 players scored and 10 players had double-digit minutes.  I really like that depth which I think is McMurry's distinctive asset.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2005, 06:27:48 PM
Ozarks 78 HPU 74 Final.  Tough loss HPU had the lead most of the way and even up by as much as 10.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 03, 2005, 06:51:07 PM
Final: SRSU 91 – AC 67

The Lobos once again had some guys step up and play today.

This young team is getting more and more confident as each game passes. They will be a very tough team to beat.

As I have learned over the past few years, Coach Davalos knows how to get the most out of his teams and this team has plenty of talent.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on December 03, 2005, 06:51:48 PM
UMHB knocks off #16 ranked Mississippi College 66 - 64
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 03, 2005, 07:22:04 PM
Cowboys won by ten points or so...over LeT.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 03, 2005, 07:27:50 PM
Final Score:

HSU 54-40 over LeT

Personal Fouls:

HSU 23
LeT  26

(For those who are watching that!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 01:45:32 PM
A big thanks to Patrick Stewart the McM SID of 2 1/2 years who is taking the similar post at SUNY-Plattsburgh.

We will miss him.  He approached his job with a dedication and drive that brought credit to the institution and to himself! 

Our loss is amateur hockey's gain.  He probably won't miss the 3 hour commute to his amateur hockey matches, but Plattsburgh is much more conducive to that. ;)

Patrick, we wish you and your family a safe move, and may our paths cross again!

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/general.htm
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2005, 08:37:38 AM
On another message board, David Collinge asked me about the McM-Miss Coll rivialry.  That led to this verbose explanation of the ASC.  The opinions are mine, and I will appreciate any historical corrections.  I copy it to this board and the football board for general information and will encourage commentary on the football board, (off-season, you know.   :( )

------------------------------------

David, MC and McM have been the top basketball programs in the ASC since the formation of the conference.  Former MC Coach Jones (now AD) and McM's Coach Holmes are good rivals.  MC and McM have the most NCAA appearances in the ASC and the most appearances in the post-season tourney and tourney finals.  So, a tourney bid or national/regional ranking has been always on the line directly or indirectly, every time they have played.  Not bad blood, just great rivals!

The ASC was created in 1996 as the NCAA D3 option for intercollegiate athletics in this part of the country.  With the leadership of college presidents from McMurry, Austin College and others, Commissioner Fred Jacoby (one of the finest conference commisioners ever to grace college athletics, e.g. WSUC and the old D1 Southwest Conference), assembled Mississippi College, which was moving up from D2, U Ozarks, and  the members of the NAIA-2 Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Assn (Austin College, U Dallas, Hardin Simmons, Howard Payne, McMurry and Sul Ross State.)

Over the next decade, Commissioner Jacoby brought Texas Lutheran from D2, Louisiana College from the NAIA/NCCAA, saw UT-Dallas add a full range of intercollegiate sports and move from the NAIA, saw UT-Tyler add a full range of intercollegiate sports and move from the NAIA/ USCAA, and brought UMHB, Concordia, Schreiner, LeTourneau and ETBU from the NAIA en masse.

UDallas left after 2000-01.  Most people speculate that they would jump at the invitiation to join the SCAC.  UDallas was not able to get a club football team going in 2003.  That may have been an attempt to attract interest from the SCAC.

The 15-team conference (plus provisional 2007 UT-Tyler) has provided competition and "in-region" games by the use of crossover games between the divisions.  Also, the conference has had enough schools for an AQ in the AQ sports (FB, Hoops, VB, Soccer, Baseball and Softball) even if every one of the 15 schools did not offer a sport.  Yes, we are spread out, but the conference provides access to the playoffs.

My personal desire is for another 4 schools (2 west and 2 east and preferably private schools) to join the conference and then we split into 2 conferences and 2 AQ's.  The moving of Austin College to the SCAC may make that program more competitive. (But,  they will always lose to Trinity.    )  However, the AC loss also means that we are now 5 schools away from that magical number.

D-3 UDallas won't likely come back.  D-3 Rust is too far to the north and east (near Memphis, TN)  and too far west for the GSAC!

D2's St Edwards in Austin, Incarnate Word in San Antonio, St Mary's in San Antonio and Abilene Christian (which has won more D2 national championships than anyone except UC-Davis) are not likely to move up to D3.

As one looks at the map of NAIA schools that we might "invite", the mission/vision issue is just one confounding factor.

Texas Wesleyan University in Ft Worth spent one exploratory year moving from D2 (Heartland Conference) thru the ASC back to the scholarship NAIA-1 Red River AC.  I guess they could not imagine life without scholarships on their campus.

Other private schools (NAIA-1) in this broad area include Northwood Institute in Cedar Hill (a southwest Dallas suburb), Southwestern Assemblies in Waxahachie (30 miles south of Dallas) and College of the Southwest in Hobbs NM.  CSW likes NAIA-1.  Houston Baptist sees itself as NAIA-1.

A large corps of HBCU's, namely Wiley College, Texas College, Jarvis Christian College, Paul Quinn College and Huston-Tillotson College, compete in the Red River AC and have active rivalries amongst themselves.  HBCU Langston OK is moving to D2.  Texas A&M International in Laredo is not geographically desirable.   UT-Permian Basin in Midland is exploring D-2 and D-3.  This state school would have numerous close state school rivals in the D2 Lone Star Conference.  Each of these NAIA schools would have to upgrade their programs to match D3 requirements.

As for other NAIA-1 schools, the Texas Panhandle schools of Wayland Baptist (Plainiview) and Lubbock Christian are in the Sooner AC and are closer to Oklahoma than most of the ASC schools.  Football playing Bacone College in Muskogee OK has moved from the junior college ranks, but I think they see NAIA-1 as their model as does John Brown University, Siloam Springs AR, the NAIA-1 reigning basketball champ and football-playing Southern Nazarene OK.

LSU-Shreveport is in the NAIA-1 Gulf Coast AC.  It would need to add numerous sports.  Belhaven in Jackson MS would be a nice addition to the ASC-East.  It has all of the sports necessary, but I believe that they see NAIA-1 as their model.  All of the other GCAC schools are around New Orleans or Mobile, except the HBCU's Tougaloo and William Carey.

NAIA-2 Lyons College in Batesville AR is probably not interested.  They could be a travel partner for Ozarks in a new ASC-East Conference.

There just aren't any more schools.  I cannot imagine the ASC getting the schools necessary to allow the 2 ASC divisions to split into 2 distinct  conferences.  If there were to be a change in rules to allow multiple bids for very large conferences, basically a special case for the ASC, we might get some help on bids.  But I think that Pool C is the way we have to go for extra bids.

(Sorry about the verbosity, but this is a comprehensive assessment of college hoops in this part of the country.  Thanks to all for indulging me.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on December 05, 2005, 01:31:39 PM
Ralph- I'm just curious, are you the AD at MCM?

Anyway, enough about McM.

Good win for UMHB over Mississippi this weekend. I dont see the Crusaders loosing a game at home this year. They have IMO the best defense in the ASC, and probably the most depth of any team.

Looked like HPU might be a sleeper team this yr, then they lose to Ozarks at home. The ASC is going to be wild. 




Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2005, 04:00:14 PM
whitebutterflies, thanks but I am just an ASC fan. :)

Everyone else in the country is getting 2 playoff slots for 15 members, as if we had a separate a seven-team ASC East and an separate 8-team ASC-West.  Because not every school sponsors every sport, I wanted to discuss this in the off-season to look at the issues and how they would affect the athletic programs. 

Since the start of the pools, the only East Region women's basketball team to get a playoff bid is the 1999 Austin College team.  That is a little unfortunate.

My efforts are towards getting the ASC as much exposure as possible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 05, 2005, 06:44:27 PM
Thanks Ralph, for all you do and that is a LOT!

We appreciate it...well done!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 08:48:31 AM
Thanks dsc!

The ASC-East will not be back at full strength until fall 2007 when UT-Tyler is expected to have finished provisional status.  They have hit their requirements for the 1st 2 years, and I don't doubt they will succeed.

The NCAA is considering legislation that will authorize a self-study period in 2006-08 that will allow some conferences to re-align without the loss of the AQ.  That may be the time when we can get this done.

When UT-Tyler comes on board in 2007-08, the ASC-East will have the minimum 7 teams in:

1) Men's and Women's Soccer (Fall)
2) Men's and Women's Cross Country (Fall)
3) M & W Hoops (Winter)
4) Softball/Baseball (Spring).


ETBU's adding Men's and Women's Tennis and LC's adding Men's Tennis would give the ASC-East its 5th sport for men and a 5th for women.   (D3 Tennis is considering adding the AQ for Tennis conference team champions.)

UOzarks and Louisiana College adding Volleyball would provide the 7 teams necessary for the AQ and would be a 6th team sport for the ASC-East.

An official conference must offer one team sport for men and one team sport for women in each season and five and five total. (Bylaw 3.3.2.2.3)

As for the West, HPU is adding M & W soccer in the 2006.

The West would have at least 7 teams in

Men's and Women's Soccer (Fall),
Volleyball (Fall),
Men's and Women's Hoops (Winter)
Men's and Women's Tennis (Spring),
Baseball/Softball (Spring),

The 6 football teams in the ASC-West qualify as an official conference and the addition of the 3 ASC East teams as affiliates would maintain the Pool A AQ. (This is actually pretty common in D3.  The Northwest Conference is headed there with Menlo; the ODAC has Catholic as an affiliate; the MIAA is using Wisconsin Lutheran until Tri-State finishes provisional; Maryville is an affilliate in the USAC, etc.)

That is 5 men's and 5 women's teams with no additional teams necessary.  That gives the ASC-West full status as a new conference and the accompanying AQ's.

As for Men's and Women's Cross Country for ASC-West members, an affiliate relationship with the ASC-East would work for McMurry and SRSU.

As for Track & Field, I understand that HSU is adding the sport for Men and Women.  Having T&F is not needed for "Conference Team sports" as required by the bylaws, but an affiliation arrangement could be maintained.  Currently Men's track has McMurry, SRSU and HPU plus MC.  Women's Track is currently offered by TLU, McM, HPU and SRSU plus MC.

The NCAA is discussing an AQ for Golf.  Currently 6 ASC West teams sponsor men's golf and the East has 5.  An affiliation arrangement could be used here as well.

The ASC-West has the minimum 4 Women's golf teams to provide a conference sport if affiliates were found or new teams were added.  Golf is evaluating an AQ status for conference champions.  However, women's golf is so strong in the ASC-West, that Pool B (UMHB women, HSU women and McMurry women in recent seasons) may be the more attractive arrangement and no additional work is required.

I know I am spending other people's money, but adding Tennis at LC and ETBU and adding the infrastructure for another conference is all that is between us and virtually doubling the number of playoff bids we offer our student-athletes.  The critical thing is each school not dropping a sport or leaving the conference.  One might wonder about Mississippi College staying in D3 or UT-Tyler moving to the Lone Star Conference or someone else moving to the SCAC.  These are very big questions and might be "deal-breakers".  At 7 on the East and 8 on the West, we do not have any slack for a team to leave!  As I outlined earlier, I don't see any schools who might be invited either.  And, the NCAA Provisional status and exploratory year is about a 5 year process!

For the first several years or the first decade, I would recommend that very strong affiliation agreements and scheduling provisions would be in effect, (virtually no change in the current ASC-East/ASC-West arrangement,  you gotta find South Region games somewhere).   Nevertheless, I think that this would stengthen the ASC as we know it!

I look forward to commentary.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 06, 2005, 08:54:57 AM
Im pretty sure etbu will not be adding tennis anytime soon.  We do not currently have the facillities.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 09:30:57 AM
etbualum,


pthththtsssssst, There went some air out of the trial balloon! :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: quasar on December 06, 2005, 12:14:26 PM
Congradulations to Brandon Gatlin on being West player of the week
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 08, 2005, 02:42:28 PM
A few weeks ago, the Abilene Reporter-News said that HSU is going to be playing an up-tempo style compared to past years: "Returning nine players from last season's team gives [Coach Dylan] Howard enough depth to implement the run-and-gun system he has been craving since he took the job at Hardin-Simmons."  Does this mean both HSU and McM will be playing a full court press on Monday?  That could make for a pretty exciting game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 08, 2005, 03:11:02 PM
ETBU vs Sul Ross has been changed to an 8 pm start tonight.  Due to weather
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 09:11:19 PM
HPU 36 LeT 35 3:55 in the 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 09:18:14 PM
HPU 43 LeT 37 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 09:44:40 PM
HPU 51 LeT 45 15 mins to go in the game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 09:48:02 PM
ETBU 55 SRSU 40

Sul Ross got caught by the sleet storm that we had here.

The radio announcers said that SRSU stayed on the bus on the side of the road.

Maybe we can get more info from Rockland!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:02:43 PM
HPU 63 LeT 60 9:30 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:12:20 PM
ETBU 70 SRSU 52, 13:39 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:14:00 PM
SRSU's Sidney Hooper has 24 points tonight.

ETBU 74, SRSU 55.  Largest lead of the game for ETBU.

Cedric Isom has 18.

ETBU 76, SRSU 57. 12 + minutes.

ETBU just missed 4 layups/put backs.  Cedric Isom has  4 fouls.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:16:41 PM
HPU 74 LeT 74 3:14
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:19:01 PM
HPU 77 LeT 74 2:14 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:20:54 PM
ETBU 80-61, 9:30 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:21:06 PM
HPU 79 LeT 76 1:02 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:22:02 PM
HPU 79 LeT 78 with :25 to go HPU ball.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:24:48 PM
HPU 79 LeT 81 :17 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:25:59 PM
HPU 81 LeT 81 :08 to go LeT ball.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:27:24 PM
going to OT HPU 81 LeT 81
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:28:12 PM
ETBU 90 SRSU 70, 5:20 left.

ETBU's Chris Isom has fouled out!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:30:07 PM
HPU 86 LeT 81 4 mins to go in OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:31:11 PM
HPU 86 LeT 83 3:50 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 08, 2005, 10:32:02 PM
Thanks for all the updates... :o

keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:32:38 PM
HPU 89 LeT 83  3:00 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:34:13 PM
HPU 89 LeT 85 2:54 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 08, 2005, 10:36:16 PM
Sorry Dr. Turner,

I can't really offer up anymore info on the team. I talked to some of the players who stayed back and they said they did sleep on the bus along the roadside.  I also heard they didn't arrive into Marshall until 4:30, which might explain the late start.

They are also playing without one of there best players in Acosta. Hopefully they can recover from the long trip Saturday and salvage the road trip.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:36:29 PM
HPU 93 LeT 85 1:30 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:37:04 PM
ETBU 94 SRSU 85.  2:04 left. Sidney Hooper has six 3FG's on the night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:39:44 PM
HPU 96 LeT 85  :40 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:40:56 PM
SRSU--Ely Layup, ETBU 94-87. 1;21.
ETBU--Cooper to the line FT 2-2, ETBU 96-87. 1:10.
SRSU--Isom rebs
ETBU--Layup missed
SRSU--layup 96-89 0:40
ETBU--ball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:43:08 PM
HPU 99 LeT 88  :16 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:43:47 PM
ETBU--missed.  96-88, scoreboard error.
SRSU--compton steals.
ETBU--foul on Escobar. Compton at the line.  FT 2-2; ETBU 98-88.
SRSU--airball. Ely good 21.8 sec. ETBU 98-90.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 10:44:10 PM
HPU 99 LeT 88 it's a Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:46:42 PM
Thanks Rockland.

SRSU was able to hit a 12-2 run at 4:00

ETBU has kept the distance from that point.

ETBU  98-90.  Final.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 10:59:36 PM
SRSU stats:

Sidney Hooper FG 12-21, 3FG 7-14, FT 4-6 = 35 pts. 6 Rebs.
Ely 17 pts; Santa Cruz 12 pts.
FG 32-70; 3FG 10-25; FT 16-23. Rebs 38, 15 off 23 def.

ETBU stats:

Chris Isom 25 pts 9 rebs 5 assists.
Cedric Isom 18 pts, 10 rebs, fouled out with 5:23 left.
Compton 3FG 3-3, FG 4-6, FT 2-2 13 pts.
Allen 12
Palmer 10pts.

Rebs 48, 22 off + 26 def.
3FG 10-25; FT 14-17.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 09, 2005, 01:18:38 AM
Hooper was pretty much all sul ross had.  #51 wasnt bad.  For some reason we kept helping off of Hooper on the guy that wasnt shooting.  Good team win for the tigers.  Cooper, Allen, Compton all contributed quite a bit.

I heard sul ross did sleep on the bus on the side of the road.  They got to etbu around 12.  Guys got to shoot around.  That is also why the games were late.   It kinda makes up for the road trip etbu had to make last year.  ETBU played games at HPU and Sully on back to back days because of Sul Ross finals.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 09, 2005, 10:24:05 AM
To all attending the HSU-MCM games on Monday Night;

GET INTO THE GAME FREE!!!!

McMurry is teaming up with a local radio staion in a promotion called "Operation Inspiration."  It is a drive to collect bibles and devotional books to send to Dyess Troops overseas.  Anyone attending the women's and men's games on Monday evening who brings a bible or devotional book will get into the game for free!!  This applies to all fans,  McMurry and HSU.  Come watch great games and help with a great cause!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 09, 2005, 11:56:05 AM
McM Blue,

Great idea! :-*
And Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 10, 2005, 09:39:46 AM
Thanks dsc, hopefully we will have a packed house!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2005, 07:27:29 PM
QuoteDec 3, 2005  University of the Ozarks * +   L 78-74 
Dec 8, 2005  at LeTourneau * +   W 99-88 1OT 
Dec 10, 2005  at East Texas Baptist * +   W 85-82

dballa, which HPU team will show up next Saturday vs. Sul Ross State?

I would not have expected you to lose at home after Ozarks' long ride from Alpine!

I would not have expected LeTU to take you to OT, even in Longview!

And, the one game that I would have guessed you might lose of these three would have been in Ornelas! :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 10, 2005, 08:49:36 PM
Interesting halftime score: HSU 37 SMU 44.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2005, 09:28:24 PM
I see that the Fisk-MC game has been rescheduled to Jan 2nd, 2006 in Clinton.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 10, 2005, 09:50:13 PM
Final: SMU 85 HSU 70.
I hope the Cowboys saved something for next week!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 10, 2005, 10:17:31 PM
Hey Ralph sorry I was out of town today but great win by HPU today at ETBU.

I'm not sure which team will show up but I think it will be one thats ready to go on Saturday.  They had just been in this grove where they would play well every other game.  They finally broke through that so now maybe a nice win streak will be next. 

Against the Ozarks they just fouled too many times giving them plenty of free throw shots and didn't go to the line themselves.  Plus they couldn't control Ozarks big man Habeeb I think was his name.  He had 8 offensive rebounds and pretty much scored on all of them. 

Saturday they'll have to stop Hooper who seems to be  pretty hot right now but when is he not :) 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 10, 2005, 10:40:25 PM
Well, I'm just getting back home after watching Ozarks take a drubbing from Arkansas Tech, a D2 opponent and once-upon-a-time rival in the old Arkansas Intercollegiate Conference.  85-65.  Ugh.  Actually, it wasn't that bad until near the end -- seems like Ozarks was down by only 9 with 9 minutes to go.  If there's a bright spot, I guess it is that we outrebounded them, and a lot of the young guys got some significant floor time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 09:54:23 AM
UT-D at UT-T has been postponed according to the UT-D web site.

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/MBB/schedule.htm
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: slimshady on December 11, 2005, 11:03:17 AM
If everyone could think back to last fall this blabber mouth who claimed that this Wright dude that was going to UMHB from HPU was so good, where is the dude at? I looked on umhb webite and i dont' even see his name. damn must have been someone just looking to get his name out there!!!!

I'm a freshman at an asc school and the conference shoked me when I saw the talent. great talent man great talent
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:59:41 PM
McM--Raymond 3FG.
HSU--Misses
McM--Dickerson putback 5-0.
HSU--misses Faught reb.
McM--Colina 3FG McM 8-0.
HSU--18:53 Jean FG; McM 8-2.
McM--Hale reb.
HSU--18:09 Peters FG. McM 8-4.
McM--Reb cowboys
HSU--Jean FG  McM 8-6.
McM--Williams (JR) 3FG McM 11-6.
HSU--Kudrna lay-up McM 11-8
McM--Dickerson FG McM 13-8.
HSU--Reb Colina
McM--JR Williams 15-8.
HSU--15:58, MJean fouled by Dickerson FT  2-2.  Mardochee Jean is breathing heavily.  McM subs a fresh 5.  McM 15-10.
McM--Jean fouls.  Daily FG on the inbound. McM 17-10.
HSU--15:24  Bryant fouls.  Stephens fouls. Brackett travels.
McM--turnover
HSU--Brashears steals but sloppy pass.
Meida Time out.  McM 17-10.  14:44.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 09:04:25 PM
HSU--Pickelman 3FG McM 17-13
McM--Brashears on the putback McM 19-13.
McM--Steal by Stephens and Baker FG and fouled by Washington. Baker FT 0-1. Rohde reb. McM 21-13.
HSU--Mirabal in for McM.  Turnover.
McM--13:42.  Reb Hale
HSU--Peters layup McM 21-15.
McM--JR off glass. McM 23-15
McM--steals, HSU rebs.
HSU--Rohde injured. 12:50
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 09:11:53 PM
HSU--Mirabal fouled Peters. FT 2 -2. McM 23-17
McM--Dan Jean, Mardochee's Jean brother, is in.  FT Bryant 2-2. McM 25-17.
HSU--Bryant fouls, his 2nd.  Faught for Bryant.  Turnover.
McM--Dan Jean rebs.  McM inbounds 12:00.  Dan Jean over his brother FG. McM 27-17.
HSU--Kudrna FG and fouled by Jean  FT 0-1.  McM 27-19.
McM--JR 3FG.  McM 30-19.
HSU--Peters turnover.  11:10
McM--turnover.
HSU--Kudrna layup. McM 30-21
McM--jump ball to HSU
HSU--Colina reb.
McM--Pickelman fouls 10:15.  Colina  FT 1-2. McM 31-21.
HSU--turnover
McM--foul on Faught,  9:58 media timeout.  McM 31-21.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 09:20:49 PM
HSU--1&1,  Pickelman  FT  0-1.  McM 31-21. Colina Reb.
McM--
............................
............................
.............................
McM--Daily charges.  34-24. 6:26
HSU--turnover, McM turnover. Pickelman fouls #2
McM time out 6:16.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 09:34:30 PM
McM--turnover 3 sec.
HSU--Ovaitt FG
McM--Stephens FT  2-2.  McM 36-26.
HSU--Colina fouls Pickelman FT 1-2.  McM 36-27.  5:40.
McM--.............4:46
HSU--Pickelman put back 38-29.
McM--Dickerson travels.
HSU--Peters off the glass.  McM 38-31
McM--rebs.
HSU--Peters, Jean rebs., Baker rebs.
McM--JR  fouled by Hale.  1&1.  FT 2-2. McM 40-31 3;14.
HSU--Faught fouls, his 2nd.  Peters at the line for 2.  good and no good. McM 40-32. Colina reb.
McM--MJean rebs.
HSU--Brashears fouls Pickelman  good and good  McM 40-34.
McM--Kudrna fouls Mirabal.  Double bonus.  FT  2-2. McM 42-34.
HSU--jump ball.  McM
McM--2:30 Colina FG. McM 44-34.
HSU--Kudrna layup. McM 44-36.
McM--2:01. Bryant long range 3FG.  McM 47-36.
HSU--Peters traveled.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 09:39:46 PM
McM--Colina fouls. Player control.
HSU--Baker steals.
McM--Mardochee blocks.  1:24. JR slips, left ankle.
HSU--Pickelman lyaup.
McM--HSU rebs.
HSU--Baker rebs.
McM--Bryant 3FG. McM 50-38
HSU--Bryant fouls, his 3rd.
HSU--Kudrna FT 1-2.  McM 50-39.
McM--Daily fouled by Mardochee Jean.  FT 2-2.  McM 52-39.
HSU--Reb Baker
McM--JR charges, his 1st.
HSU--no good.  McM 52-39 half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 12, 2005, 09:50:25 PM
Oh!  How I wish we were playing football!!!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 09:53:20 PM
That's okay dsc, it is still a rivalry to me! ;)  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 09:57:10 PM
Stats:  HSU Kudrna 11, Peters 10, Pickelman 9 11 players play.
FG 14-28, 3FG 1-4; FT 10-17.
Rebs 17
Blocks 6 turnovers 13.

Jean 19 minutes--Pickelman 17, Peters 14 Hale 13, Kudrna 12.  These guys had a tough game at SMU on Saturday.


JR 15 minutes.  everyone else less than 10 minutes.

McM JR 12, Elijah Bryant 10
FG 17-43; 3FG 6-20; FT 12-15.
Rebs 30, turnover 11, Steals 8

McMurry had 11 players score and I think that all 13 healthy players played.  Starter Tee Jay Void is out with strep throat.

Crowd is roughly 2000 fans.  Very few seats open.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:07:07 PM
HSU-Peters inbounds.  Pickelman FG.  McM 52-41.
McM--Jean another blokced shot (his 6th)
HSU--Pickelman FG
McM--Dickerson FG
HSU--Faught fouls his 3rd.,  M Jean rejected by his brother Dan Jean!!!!
McM--JR travels*
HSU--JR steals
McM--JR double dribbles.*  Calls by same ref.
HSU--Faught foouls his 4th. McM 54-44. 18:35 Kudrna FT .  Lane violation misses both. Stephens rebs.
McM-Bryant in for JR.  18:14 Hale fouls for HSU.
McM--Colina 3FG.  McM 57-44.
HSU--Reb Colina
McM--Colina FG McM 59-44.
HSU--17:23.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:11:45 PM
HSU Dan Jean blocks
McM--3FG
HSU--Layup
McM--Baker FG.  64-46.  the officials are having trouble with the pace of the game.
HSU--16:38.  Brackett layup.
McM--64-48.  16:13; HSU rebs
HSU--misses
McM--Stephens reverse layup.  McM 66-48 15:23
McM-3FG
HSU--Pickelman charges,  14:48.  McM 69-48.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:18:59 PM
McM--Mirabal 3FG  McM 72-48
HSU--misses
McM--Bracket fouls Dickerson hard.  FT  2-2. McM 74-48.  14:12
HSU--Jump ball. McM ball
McM--Stephens.  Dickerson fouls. 13:49
HSU--stolen by JR,
McM--Kudrna rebs.
HSU--JR fouls.
HSU--Pickelman 3FG McM 74-51
McM--Kudrna fouls, his 2nd
McM--new 5 subbed.  Aguilar back door on the inbounds. McM 76-51. 12:51
HSU--Peters FT  2-2. McM 76-53.
HSU--steals and backcourt violation
McM--Mudingo rebs (a Frenchman)
HSU--Peters travels.
McM--Dan Jean fouls.  12:13.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:22:07 PM
HSU--Aguilar fouls, his 1st. Peters FT 1-2.  McM 76-54.
HSU--retains possession. Hold against Dan Jean, his 4th against his brother.
HSU--Mardochee Jean FT 1 -2.  McM 76-55.
McM--Dan Jean rebs and double dribbles.
HSU--Peters FG.  McM 76-57.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:28:53 PM
McM 80 HSU 61;  9:59
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:47:24 PM
McM 100, HSU 83; 6:19 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 11:09:50 PM
McM 126, HSU 104. Final.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 12, 2005, 11:30:49 PM
McMurry was able to out run HSU by using their depth.  Everbody who suited up, played, and most played some serious minutes.  HSU did not have the depth to hang with the the lines which came off the McMurry bench.  As the starters ran down, the bench was not able to match up.  McMurry had a good advantage in rebound and put back shots. 

the Indian guards need to work on pressure bringin up the ball.  This is an area the coaches may stress in Tuesdays shoot around. 

A good effort on the part of both teams.  Both teams can point to things they did well and things that need to be improved.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2005, 12:16:34 AM
bcal, you are right about the McMurry depth.  Coach Holmes mentioned that he wanted to get into the HSU bench.  I think that will be the case for everyone in the conference.

This conference has gotten better since the last time that Coaches Holmes and Vanlandingham ran this system.  Therefore, they are counting on their #9, # 10 and #11 and #12 being better than comparable players on the other team.

Actually the way that they substitute, and #11 will get almost as many minutes as the #4 player on the team.

McM-HSU box score.  Thanks to HSU!  McMurry gets a double double out of Rommel Colina and Fred Baker and 8 players score in double figures.  Twelve of the 13 players scored.

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/mcmmhsu1.html#GAME.BX2

HSU goes to LaCollege on Thursday and MC on Saturday.  McMurry cathces LC on Saturday and MC on Monday.  Both games will be on the radio!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: quasar on December 13, 2005, 04:10:02 PM
Sounds like nobody played any defense
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2005, 05:43:39 PM
Quasar, actually there was a considerable amount of defense played.

Sometimes the length of the possession is confused with whether defense is played.  If the point guard takes 9 seconds to walk across the timeline and then takes 20 seconds waiting to push the shot including 3 decent shots that are not taken because they want the perfect look, and a shot is taken with 2 seconds on the time clock, and you get offensive rebound, then you get another possession.  The point guard kinda passes the ball around for another 30 secs and only tries to drive the lane with 4 left on the shot clock.  You have consumed 1/40th of the game and may have only 2 points to show for that.

Conversely you have an uptempo style that McMurry plays which involves a real pressure defense such that the rotations are like hockey.  After 3-4 minutes on the court, you should be exhausted, or you have not been hustling.

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/mcmmhsu1.html#GAME.BOX.

McMurry caused 26 turnovers, had 18 steals and got 33 defensive boards.  In fact the #2 all-time NCAA leader in steals Daniel Martinez holds the season average of 6 steals per game in the 1999-2000 season when McMurry also out-scored its opponents by 20 ppg, 100-80.  (Daniel Martinez' freshman year at McMurry does not qualify for the NCAA records, because McMurry was not a full NCAA member in 1996-97.) Last night, we got a double-double plus 9 defensive boards and 4 steals from Fred Baker, one of the 2nd wave guys, in his 19 minutes of play!

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/recordbook-menbasketball.pdf.

Had the score been McMurry (126 divided by 2 =) 63, Hardin-Simmons (104 divided 2 =) 52, would that have qualified as a game with adequate defense played?

We McMurry fans are becoming more excited with every game at the prospects that we see.  We defeated HSU last night with our Starting #2 guard out with Strep throat.  The team was clicking ,and I believe that the players see the system for how it can help teams win.

We had outstanding performances from players on each of the "lines", to borrow a hockey term.  I only hope that the team continues to develop and master this style of play. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 14, 2005, 02:47:08 AM
it will be very interesting to see the CUA vs MCM game because they play the exact same style of basketball...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2005, 09:41:32 AM
warped, that becomes a question that hockey fans understand well.

"How does my 2nd line and 3rd line match up with whom they put on the court?"  Hockey fans may look at the game and see the first lines match up well, but may see real weakness in their third line.  The box score the next morning may show a guy on the third line had a "hat trick".

My experience from 1999-2001 was that the 1st 7 at each team in the conference matched up well.  McMurry had better players "8-12".

In McMurry's system, reviewing team stats and seeing one game, I really don't see any drop off in talent.  (Some players have been injured or ill for several games and some players will need to step up their game to match the development of their teammates.)  With that degree of talent, then the coaching staff is trying to find selective matchups so 2-3 players can really take big advantage of the match-ups.  Against HSU, McM had 8 players in double figures.  Terence Mirabal, McMurry's letterman senior, had 12 points in 8 minutes.  Fred Baker came "off the bench" to get 11 points and 15 rebs including 9 defensive rebs.

For McMurry fans, it becomes very interesting to see which player is "hot" on a given night and see how he can get the match-ups necessary to have a great night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on December 14, 2005, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: quasar on December 13, 2005, 04:10:02 PM
Sounds like nobody played any defense

You are absolutley right.

With two teams putting up 230 points in 40 minutes of basketball, I wouldnt call it much of a offensive struggle.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 14, 2005, 10:29:46 AM
While it was not a defensive struggle, I would once again echo the sentiments of Ralph.  McMurry played very tough and agressive defense against HSU.  While the score does not indicate that, you must remember that good defense does not always equal low scoring.  The style that McMurry plays dictates an up tempo, they push the ball up the floor and try to force their opponent to do the same.  Why?  Because 5 minutes-10 minutes into the game HSU players were grabbing their shorts and gasping for air.  So were the Mcmurry players, the difference is 5 more guys can then come in and give the starters a rest.  They key stat in the game was not that 8 McMurry guys scored in double figures, but that 10 guys played double figure minutes, with only 2 playing over 20 minutes (JR and Elijah) which can be attributed to the absence of Tee Jay Void.

I still think there is room for improvement for this team and there is a long way to go in the season, but for now I am happy with the way McM has started the ASC season.

One last thing, HSU has a real good team and they never gave up.  In the second half they cut a 26 point lead to 12.  They have alot of talent and are well coached. They will have a good season and will remain a force to be reckoned with in the ASC West.

Ok, one more last thing,  A BIG THANKS to all who participated in the Bible drive to benfit our troops on Monday night.  We collected over 160 Bibles and devotional books for "Operation Inspiration."
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 14, 2005, 02:02:49 PM
For all the talk about defense from the specialists, to an average guy who just watches the games because, hey, McMurry is my team, what "up tempo" seems to come down to is (1) wearing out the other team, as has already been said; and (2) taking lots of shots at just about anything with the assumption you can get points faster even with a lot of missed shots than the other team can while playing a "normal" tempo and taking more care in picking their shot opportunities.  That worked in those turn-of-the-century (?!) games, but if I remember right what killed us at the big playoff game with Calvin College was that Calvin overwhelmed us with its shooting percentage.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on December 14, 2005, 02:48:45 PM
Right, Calvin beat us by making their shots.

Then again, they were pretty good...They won a national championship that year.

That style worked plenty well...Just ask Maryville, or any of the other teams we beat on the way to the elite 8 that year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2005, 10:36:32 AM
McMfan, you are self-deprecating of your support for the McMurry teams.  You, and the other faculty who lurk on this board, do a great job of educating McMurry students.

In honor of you and the other McMurry faculty,
for the education that I and many others have received,
I dedicate this celebratory haiku. :)

McMurry cagers
Premier at up-tempo hoops
Hail the victory!

Thank you! :)  :D  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 15, 2005, 06:25:54 PM
If we're having a contest for haiku, here's my entry:

Finals all week long
Makes for tired and edgy brains.
Time for some good hoops!

:D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 15, 2005, 10:39:02 PM
CUA 62 @ UTD 85
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 15, 2005, 11:42:38 PM
Final:

LC   96
HSU 82

Per LC's Sports Page...Thursday, Dec 15.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 16, 2005, 12:19:35 AM
ETBU lost to wiley

not sure what he score was but it was bad like 15.  Might be the worst day in ETBU basketball history
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 16, 2005, 11:13:56 PM
Ozarks 76, Schreiner 73.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 16, 2005, 11:22:30 PM
TLU 59 @ AC 50
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 17, 2005, 12:30:22 AM
The radio broadcast and live stats will be available online this weekend against Hardin-Simmons Saturday and McMurry Monday. Links can be found for both games on the front of our website.
Mississippi College (http://www.mc.edu/athletics/)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 17, 2005, 12:45:19 AM
Thanks, MC/SID...for the information.

We were wondering about the games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 07:11:56 AM
Aerie Head,  I cannot figure out that UOz team.  Every game against D3  foes is +/- 4 points, whether home or road!

You have some nice wins, some wins that look like they might qualify for ugly and 2 close painful road losses to Rust and to SRSU.  In fact, you guys are at the top of the ASC-East this morning! ;)

You really need to win the South Region game against a Hendrix team that I believe is getting much better.  I think you have the second best non-conference schedule in the East (2 South Region games and then the Arkansas Tech game just 20 miles down the road, second only to AC).

Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 17, 2005, 11:45:51 AM
Last night would probably qualify for one of those "ugly" wins.  There was a time in the second half that was really sloppy basketball - run down and throw something at the basket.  It took some cranking down on the defense at the end to pull it off.  Habeeb Kareem and Scott McCall had incredible shooting percentage -- Habeeb hit 9 of 10 from the field, and Scott didn't miss, 6 of 6.

So far this team seems to have a split personality.  There are the seniors, Habeeb, and Chris Clark who play a really disciplined style, then there are the young guys who just don't have that discipline yet.  They are showing some talent, though -- if we can keep them, we'll have some good replacements for all these seniors.

Schreiner was tougher than a 1-6 record would make you think. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 17, 2005, 04:13:46 PM
An early score from Brownwood: HPU 16 - SRSU 8 with 14:32 in the first.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 17, 2005, 04:25:34 PM
HPU 27 - SRSU - 15

HPU really shooting the lights out. Wheeler has 11pts. Acosta leading the Lobos with 5.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 04:33:13 PM
Media Timeout:

LC 21 McM 18 9:24 left 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 04:36:24 PM
Thanks, Rock!  Keep 'em coming! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 17, 2005, 04:38:47 PM
With 5:40 to play in Brownwood: HPU leads 38 - 23 over SRSU.

HPU shooting 66% from the floor and SR shooting 29%.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 04:43:38 PM
LC has lead by as much as 10.  LC PG Casey Meador does have 3 fouls.

This has not been pretty for McMurry so far.

LC 33-24 6:58 left. McM ball.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on December 17, 2005, 05:01:26 PM
At halftime in Brownwood:
The HPU leads Sul Ross by a score of 49 – 33.

They have continued to shoot the lights out in the coliseum. Wheeler played a good first half for the Yellow jackets with 12 points. Leading the Lobos was Hooper with 11 first half points.

Sul Ross is winning the turnover battle having 8 compared to 13 by HPU.


Hooper – 11 pts.
Acosta – 6 pts.

Wheeler- 12 pts.
Zinser – 11 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:09:07 PM
McM 53 LC 53, at the half. Stats to follow.
McM came from an 11-point deficit.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:23:34 PM
LC stats:

Van leads the 10 players who scored with 8 points.

FG  17-39; 3FG 3-20; FT 16-26;
Rebs 29 TO 11 Steals 6

McM stats:

Raymand leads players with 11 points.
Eight others scored.

FG 17-41; 3FG 8-17; FT 11-16; Rebs 24; TO 8 Stals 7.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
LC 63, McM 61;16:27 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:35:24 PM
Media timeout 14:55 left.

McM-LC are tied at 65.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:43:22 PM
McM  75, LC 69.  11:39.

Elijah Bryant has 5 3FG's, including 3 in the second half.  McMurry has 5 3FG's in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:49:58 PM
Media timeout 9:54 left.

McM 77, LC 74 .  Casey Meador LC's PG has just picked up his 4th foul.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:02:25 PM
LC up by 7 with 5+ minutes left.  McMurry has pulled to 90-85. 4:55 left.  McM ball.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:06:52 PM
LC 94, McM 86 3:40 left.

McM--Bryant FT  2-2; LC  94-88.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2005, 06:08:53 PM
HPU 94 SRSU 74.  Great game by HPU today.  We were up by almost 30 until the subs started coming in.  Definitely need to work on free throws though.  If they would have even made 60% it would have been a 30 point win.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:11:44 PM
LC--Meador FG  96-88.
McM--Colina FG, LC 96-90
LC--Bryant get his 5th foul.  24 points on the game 3:03.  Meador at the line FT 2-2. LC 98-90.  (He is good; he has played most fo the 2nd half woth 4 fouls.)
McM--Colina FG. 98-92
LC--tied
LC has the arrow. Meador to the line  FT  2-2. LC 100-92.
McM--2:30.  Daily fouled by Casey Gonzalez (11 pts).  FT  2-2. LC  100-94.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 17, 2005, 06:12:36 PM
MC was up by 11 with a minute to go...over HSU.

74-63...don't know the final, however.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:14:21 PM
LC--Meador FT  2-2;  LC 102-94.
McM--Colina FG; LC  102-96
LC--1:47; Colina reach-in foul. Wyatt  FT good Timeout. McM
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:21:35 PM
LC--FT by Wyatt good.  LC 104-96.
McM--Mirabal 3FG. LC 104-99.
LC--1:22; Mirabal steals Raymond 3FG. McM--104-102.
LC  at the line.  Raymond fouls Meador trying to draw the charge.  FT 2-2 0:47.  LC 106-102.
McM--Wyatt fouls Raymond.  FT 2-2, LC 106- 104

(McM's starting #2 guard Tee Jay Void, is still out and missed the game.)

LC--Yanghe FT 1-2. LC 107-104.
McM--Dickerson is called for an offensive foul. He fouls out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:22:19 PM
LC  Meador FT 2-2. 109-104.  0:23
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:27:48 PM
McM--Brashears  FG and fouled by Yangeh.  FT good. LC 109-107.
LC--Meador FT 2-2 .   17-18 from the line for Meador in the 2nd half! LC  111-107; 0:11,
McM--Mirabla misses a 3FG.
LC--Skluzachek FT  1-2. LC 112-107  Final.

McMurry cannot execute in the second half when they needed to! :(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 06:34:19 PM
LC Meador 30 points, 17-18 from the line.

McM--Bryant had 24.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2005, 12:04:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2005, 10:36:32 AM
McMfan, you are self-deprecating of your support for the McMurry teams.  You, and the other faculty who lurk on this board, do a great job of educating McMurry students.

In honor of you and the other McMurry faculty,
for the education that I and many others have received,
I dedicate this celebratory haiku. :)

McMurry cagers
Premier at up-tempo hoops
Hail the victory!

Thank you! :)  :D  ;D

Okay, McMurry fans!  I promise! No more haiku's!   ;) :( ::)

It should be a great game in Clinton!  I also hope that LC is really getting better with each game and will wreak havoc in the ASC-East this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on December 18, 2005, 10:22:29 PM
Ozarks 76, TLU 66.

The score was 68-66 Ozarks with :51 to play, but Ozarks hit 6 of 8 free throws and once again picked up the intensity of the defense to get the win.  Habeeb Kareem had 23 points and 7 rebounds, but Brad Johnson seemed to be everywhere, 12 points and 8 rebounds.

For TLU, Nate Walton had 17 points and Matt Nelson had 16.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:54:41 PM
Four McMurry players will not be playing tonight for violations of team rules.

Starting line-up:

Bryant, Faught, Mirabal, Dickerson, Colina
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
McM 18, MC 14.  14:09 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:12:03 PM
McM-MC tied at 18; 12:00
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:41:11 PM
MC 46, McM 27.  McMurry has 4 on their first 10 players on the bench for disciplinary reasons.

MC is pulling away from the 18-18 tie.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:44:34 PM
Halftime Miss Coll 49, McM 34.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on December 19, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
Ralph:

I was wondering why I had not heard some of their names...I started listening about half way through...now why are they on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 10:17:46 PM
Finnman, I only know what Leon told us.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 10:22:37 PM
MC 69, McM 50.  Not sure of the time remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 10:25:14 PM
MC's Tyler Winford gets a technical for hanging on the rim on the jam.

MC 71, McM 51.  11:21 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 10:33:24 PM
MC led by as much as 25 in the 2nd half.

MC 73- McM 59. 9:48.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 10:52:11 PM
MC 92 McM 70, 4:58 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on December 19, 2005, 10:52:30 PM
Ralph,

Since McM is done and don't really have anything positive to say about the game...now that you are a hall of fame All-American...will Pat make you an All North American next.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on December 19, 2005, 10:55:10 PM
It will be interesting to find out after the holidays what kind of character the Indians really have...I hope they can regroup after this horrible road trip. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 11:05:53 PM
The Chocs have no idea what McMurry really has.  This game will have no bearing on a future meeting.

We had the conference destiny under our control.  Now we trail UMHB.

Final MC 110, McM 87.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on December 19, 2005, 11:40:44 PM
The Chocs played an outstanding game tonight and they are back in business!  GO CHOCS!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 11:53:52 PM
Welcome aboard, MC boy.  Your handle is new.  Please post game impressions for MC.  We like hearing fans' opinions.

Congratulations to the Choctaws.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on December 20, 2005, 09:26:57 AM
I was hacked after the game last night, but after a good nights rest things don't seem so bad.

It sounded like Holmes was making a stand with his players by not playing some of them yesterday...what a great leader they have...the players might be a little mad at the coaches, but hopefully they will realize he is doing whats best for them and rally together.

We have already played 7 conference games, and not many conference teams thought we would be in 2nd place right now...all in all with a new system, I guess us Indian fans have to be positive.  They just need to continue to grow as a team.

Good luck after Christmas Break!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 20, 2005, 03:01:36 PM
In my judgement, Coach Holmes sees something in the make up of this team which he is not satisfied with.  Maybe to much "me" and not enough team.  Some of the players may have broken a team rule.  Whatever it is, Holmes will stand by what he says.  His core structure as a coach was formed in the Kimbrell era, has been tested, and is of strong fiber. 

The players will return to McMurry on December 27 to resume practice.  Hopefully, all will return with a sense of purpose.  The main portion of the season is in front of the team.  What they do with it is up to them.  This team has talent.  This "flare up" could serve to make them stronger.  We may know more with the return of the players on the 27th.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on December 20, 2005, 04:24:53 PM
Good win for UMHB against a good Southwestern team.

Do you McMurry ppl have anything else to do besides posting on d3?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2005, 04:37:13 PM
Since we McMurry fans really haven't had as much to post on the football message as the UMHB ppl, we decided to take over the hoops board!   ;D ;) 8) :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2005, 04:54:27 PM
Whitebutterflies, Southwestern is a real puzzle this year.  They were the pre-season favorite in the SCAC, but do not have a win over a team with a winning record. (The cumulative records of the teams they have beaten is 7-37).

In any case it is nice to get a South Region win! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on December 21, 2005, 03:39:19 AM
I believe LC played 2 great games this past week against HSU and McM. It was 2 wins we needed to build our confidence back up and we finally came around as a team. The asst. coach from McM during our game kept saying "their is no way they will keep up with us, we are too good." This quote came from a player on the court. Way to go coach bragging. Now you see what it gets you 2 road loses. Heads up to the West teams McM is real, real physical but will send you to the line numerous times. Casey Meador hit 17-18 free throws which he tied an ASC record for most made in a game. LC also set a new record for most free throws attempted in a game 60. We are off until Dec. 30. We really needed the break but we didn't b/c we just started to come together as a team. Good luck to the rest of the teams during Christmas break. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. God Bless!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2005, 08:34:51 AM
LC-DBO, thanks for the report from the LC side.  I was impressed with Meador , too.  I think he is the best point guard we have seen this year.  He certainly took advantage of the opportunities that we gave them.  I thought the offensive foul by Dickerson with 0:23 seconds left and trailing by 3 pts was the "killer" for us.   :(

Please stay around and give us LC updates thru the season.   Good luck in the ASC-East.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bugsyMcM on December 30, 2005, 08:55:07 PM
Any idea how McM did today? ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 09:02:11 PM
In Arkadelphia, Arkansas, today, HSU won by 17.  Rommel Colina sat out with a mild injury.  He should be well by Austin College.

(HSU is the web abbreviation for Henderson State University, i.e. www.hsu.edu .  This is not to be confused with any other university of similar initials.  ;D  )
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bugsyMcM on December 30, 2005, 09:43:18 PM
thanks, Ralph...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 30, 2005, 09:43:41 PM
Ralph, we (HSU) will take all the wins we can get! ;D

HSU...Cowboys, that is! :-*
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on December 31, 2005, 12:15:52 AM
I can't wait until MC plays Fisk.  I think this will be a good match for them.  MC still wins by 10 at least. GO CHOCS!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2005, 06:32:49 PM
Concordia-Austin 88, UW-Platteville 85 

http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=52

Say it big!  Say it bold!  :) :)

Let me be the first to congratulate the Tornados on a great win! :)

CUA was able to play up-tempo with Platteville!

The WIAC fans might consider this an upset!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 02, 2006, 01:51:15 PM
Alright folks, predictions time.  I want to see some people going out on limbs to predict player of the year, new-comer of the year, East champ, West champ, and tournament champ. Have a good one
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 02, 2006, 06:39:35 PM
You first.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2006, 06:39:49 PM
East--

Brandon Weasby UT-T POTY
Miss Coll ASC-East champ

West--

Sidney Hooper SRSU POTY
McMurry ASC-West champ

Newcomer of the year--McMurry's Rommel Colina

Tournament Champ-- McMurry
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2006, 06:56:14 PM
"LeTourneau Student-Athlete Hunter Cippele Dies in Fall; Organ Donation Extends Life for Four Individuals"

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/

Our prayers to Hunter Cipelle's family.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2006, 08:03:43 PM
We need updates from the MC-Fisk game!!!

MC doesn't have local broadcasts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 02, 2006, 10:05:29 PM
Ralph,  I think I'll reply to your question about the Ozarks-Hendrix game here in the ASC board! Looks like everybody was not playing!! :P  28% shooting -- ugh -- the worst loss of the season at a bad time -- taking a thumping is not a good way to go into a road trip to face HSU and MCM . . . . and then UTT and UTD . . . .  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 02, 2006, 11:23:10 PM
According to the scoreboard MC 88 Fisk 75.  Thats a big win for MC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 03, 2006, 01:06:04 AM
As requested, my predictions.

West:
Champ- McMurry
POY- Hooper

East:
Champ- Mississippi
POY- Cedric Isom

Tourney champ- Mississippi
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on January 03, 2006, 09:43:37 AM
West Champs:
                          UMHB  (with MVP Gatlin)

East Champs:
                          Mississippi
                                           (MVP Isom)


Tourney Champs:  Mississippi College
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 03, 2006, 02:02:05 PM
last night in tyler UMHB held UT tyler to 15 first half points, and took a 20 point 1st half lead...and ended up winning by 15...good road win for the cru..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 03, 2006, 02:26:24 PM
I'm definitely pulling for the Indians to win it all...but I have to honestly say that UMHB might be playing the best in the West right now...the Indians are going to have to get a little more consistent...which I hope we will.  HPU also seems to be much improved.  I hope we have learned from our last conference road trip and have become more of a team.

Good luck Indians...and Ralph I'll get to see most of the home games so if you want personal observations just let me know...I'll definitely get to see both games this week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2006, 03:14:31 PM
finn, the board is getting good reports from several people this year.  I have tracked these posters who seem to be following the games, on-line or in person.

etbualum
warped and white butterflies-UMHB
aerie head--UOz
MC Boy- the Chocs
dballa-HPU
LC-DBO--LaCollege
SRLobos--SRSU
dsc--HSU

McM has you, jungle, McMfan and McMBlue Devil.

That is better than last year!   :)  Any others?

Let's keep it up!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2006, 09:48:29 AM
Matt O'Connor coached me in High School for a year and one year at Maryville College, it is no wonder he is dominating all of the you in the ASC, he has always been a father figure
Fighting Scots are ready for the ozarks in the NCAA tourney
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on January 04, 2006, 04:28:08 PM
As requested

East POY: C. Isom
West POY: Hooper
East Champs: MC (of course)
West Champs: MHB
Tourn. Champs: MC

Oh yeah new comer of the year is Timothy Broomfield (MC)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on January 05, 2006, 05:35:20 PM
My predictions for the weekend:
TLU vs. MC - MC
Schreiner vs. LC - LC
CUA vs. LeT - CUA
McM vs. AC - McM
SR vs. UTT - SR
UMHB vs. ETBU - UMHB
HPU vs. UTD - HPU
HSU vs. OU - HSU

East Champs - MC
2nd - LC
3rd - UTT
4th - ETBU
5th - Ozarks
6th - UTD
7th - Austin
8th - LeT

West Champs - UMHB
2nd - McM
3rd - HPU
4th - HSU
5th - Sul Ross
6th - CUA
7th - TLU
8th - Schreiner

Tourney Champs - LC

East POY - Cedric Isom
West POY - Brandon Gatlin

Newcomer of the Year - Tim Van

This is a big road trip for LC this weekend. We need to get over the hump at 3-3 to go to 5-3 this weekend. We really need for all the East teams to lose, which, is unlikely to happen but as everyone watched on T.V. last night Texas upset USC. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN! What is everyone else's predictions?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2006, 08:35:37 PM
I'll post the McM-AC men's results when the game is over.  It could be interesting.  AC should be a walkover, but we've lost our last three games and I notice Rommel Colina isn't suited up for the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:12:21 PM
ETBU owns a 38-24 lead over UMHB in Belton with 4:00 left in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:20:48 PM
UMHB- Gatlin misses
ETBU- Allen misses, Marbot offensive rebound, Chris Isom scores 2
40-24
UMHB- Gatlin misses, out of bounds MHB retains possession, MHB TO
ETBU- Cedric Isom misses
UMHB- steal Isom
ETBU-Isom dunk
42-24
UMHB- Miss
ETBU- Cedric Isom travel
UMHB- 1:32 left, offensive foul
ETBU- Chris Isom misses, foul on ETBU's Cooper
UMHB- 1:11 left miss 3
ETBU- Cedric Isom misses
UMHB-Calhoun fouls Gibson, hits both FTs 42-26
ETBU- 37 seconds left, Cedric Isom travels
UMHB- scores
ETBU- Cedric Isom 3 at buzzer

ETBU 45 - UMHB 28
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 05, 2006, 09:21:57 PM
etbu 45  umhb 28 at the half

tigers gotta keep it up

probably should have hit refresh before i posted
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:28:59 PM
No sweat JS
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2006, 09:34:23 PM
Halftime at McMurry:
AC 52, McM 50

AC has been ahead by as many as 15 points.  We seem to be having trouble keeping AC players from getting open and taking easy shots with the full court press.  Colina and Aguilar didn't suit up because of injuries, and a third player has apparently quit the team and is no longer on the roster.  The result is a very tight game so far.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:42:17 PM
ETBU- Ced Isom shot blocked, Chris Isom misses
UMHB- doesnt score
ETBU- Allen travels
UMHB- Gatlin misses, Ced board
ETBU-TO
UMHB- Carter scores 2, his 9th and 10th points
ETBU- Allen misses
UMHB- Carter misses, Cedric Isom board
ETBU- Allen makes 3
48-30
UMHB- Russel scores 2
ETBU- Palmer misses
UMHB- Gatlin misses, ball out of bounds to ETBU
ETBU- Chris Isom scores 2
50-32
UMHB- Gatlin misses, out of bounds to UMHB, cooper steals
ETBU- Cedric Isom over Gatlin, Isom 20 points
UMHB- Cedric Isom steals,
ETBU- Gatlins fouls Cedric Isom
15:23 ETBU 52 - UMHB 32
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2006, 09:44:18 PM
The McM server seems to be back up, so go to it if you want to follow the rest of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:46:32 PM
UMHB- misses, Marbot rebound
ETBU- timeout, Marbot misses
UMHB- Russel hits 2
52-34
ETBU- Chris Isom scores 2, giving him 8
UMHB- Carter scores 2
ETBU- Marbot hits 3
UMHB- foul on Cory Cooper
Media
13:29 ETBU 57 - UMHB 36

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:53:09 PM
ETBU- Chris Isom scores 2
UMHB- Gatlin hits 2
ETBU- Cedric Isom scores 2, giving him 22
63-45
UMHB- ?
ETBU- Marbot hits 3
UMHB- no score
ETBU- Chris Isom scores
68-45 10:30 left
UMHB- Chris Isom steal
ETBU- Marbot misses 3, Oliver rebound
UMHB- Pool scores
ETBU- ?
UMHB- Oliver misses, Marbot rebound
ETBU- Jump ball
8:52 ETBU 70 - UMHB 47
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 05, 2006, 09:54:34 PM
HSU 54, Ozarks 48 with about 9:30 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 09:54:55 PM
14:58:  Media Timeout. AC 65 McM 57!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 05, 2006, 09:57:27 PM
MC 62, TLU 41, 8 minutes to go(from what i heard)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 05, 2006, 10:00:13 PM
77-52 etbu after a gatlin banked in 3

not sure on the time left, i think its under 6
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:02:18 PM
AC 67 McM 66, 11:00 remains.  McMurry has never led!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 10:05:50 PM
ETBU- Cedric Isom dunk (24 points)
UMHB- 3 ball good
ETBU- Cedric misses, Ivy board
UMHB- miss 3, pool rebound and miss, Chris Isom board
5:30 left
ETBU- Camillo fouls Chris Isom, Allen makes 3
UMHB- Gatlin misses 3
ETBU- Allen fouled on shot, makes both
ETBU 84 - 55
UMHB- makes 3
ETBU-Cedric misses shot, gets own rebound, Chris Isom travels
3:30 left 84-58
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:08:18 PM
AC-McM  69 all!  10:45 left.

AC--FT  1-2.  AC 70,  McM 69.
AC--Bishop FT 1-2, AC 71 , McM 69.
AC--Steal and lay-up  AC  73, McM 69.
McM--Baker FG  FT 0-1, AC  73-71.


Thanks cp1123!  The loss by UMHB helps the West!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:09:43 PM
AC 75 McM 73.  9:03 left.

AC big men seem to be running out of gas.

McMurry will have to rely on their depth.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 05, 2006, 10:16:24 PM
74-56 CHOCTAWS, FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:17:29 PM
AC 81, McM 76.  6:22.  AC has only 1 timeout left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 05, 2006, 10:17:35 PM
ETBU 98

UMHB 67

daniel gibson ejected late for a flagrant foul.  Very good effort by the tigers, hot shooting night for just about everyone.

ETBU shot 54%

11-20 from 3 pt range
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 10:17:46 PM
ETBU gets an eye-opening win against Western powerhouse UMHB.  This could not have come at a better time for the Tigers, who had been reeling of late.  Credit this one to great shooting and togetherness on the part of the Tigers.  Final score: ETBU 98 - UMHB 67.  All-American Cedric Isom leads the team with a 27 point effort.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:22:24 PM
AC 83 McM 76.

McM--Bryant 3FG good and fouled and good. 83-80.
AC--3FG
McM--Mirabal FT 1-2, AC 86-81. 5:05. Stpehens rebs and put back!  86-83.
AC--Foster 3FG. 89-83.
McM 4:23 no good
AC--3 secs violation.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:27:30 PM
McM--Stephens FG, AC  89-85
AC--Daily fouls Foster, intentional foul.  FT  0-2. AC 89-85.  AC keeps the ball.  Brashears fouls Holman.  FT  1-2, AC  90-85. Bryant rebs.
McM--Baker layup.  AC 90-87.
AC--3:06.  Brashears fouls on the block attempt.
Bishop FT  2-2.  AC 92-87.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 05, 2006, 10:28:23 PM
Final:

HSU        71
OZARKS  63

Close game throughout.  HSU got a small lead and held it by 2-5 points...OZARKS missed a lot of 3 pters...at the end.

Leading Scorers:
HSU/Peters  23
OZARKS/Joyner 16
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:29:12 PM
McM--Baker put back, again,  12 pts.  AC 92-89.
AC--Bishop fouled by Faught.  FT  2-2, AC 94-89.  2:24.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:30:05 PM
McM--Baker FG, AC  94-91.
AC--Stephens steals,
McM Bryant 3FG  Tied 94.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:32:26 PM
McM--3fg  McM leads 97-94, first lead of the game.
AC ball on a jump ball!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 05, 2006, 10:34:02 PM
To add to dsc's post:

With 4:11 to play, Ozarks had cut the lead to 64-60, but then went cold from the field and scored only one more time.   In the last 2 minutes, they hit 1 of 8 attempts at a 3-pointer.  Another bad shooting night -- 34% overall, 19% from the 3-point line.

For HSU,  James Peters had 23 points and 8 rebounds and Zach Pickelman had 11 points.  For Ozarks, Josh Joyner had 16 points and 8 rebounds.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:35:57 PM
AC ball but no time outs left. 0:48, McM rebs.  Bryant fouled, double bonus.
McM Bryant Ft misses first, makes 2nd McM 98-94.
AC--Bryant rebs and fouled.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 10:37:37 PM
McM--Bryant Ft misses and then makes. McM 99-94.
AC-FG 99-96.
McM--Stephens FT  2-2. McM 101-96.
AC--Hill on the put back McM wins 101-98.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 05, 2006, 11:04:18 PM
HPU 87 UTD 73.  It wasn't even that close throughout.  HPU had a 20 pt lead for most of the game and increased it to almost 30 at one point.  It started getting close at the end when all the subs came in with about 4 or 5 mins left in the game.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on January 05, 2006, 11:37:37 PM
Sul Ross beat UTT tonight. I got off late and didn't get the correct score. It was something like 96 - 90. It seemed like a pretty close game all the way.

UMHB's loss helps us out a little.

Keep it up Lobos, take care of UTD Saturday!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2006, 12:03:50 AM
I don't know what to say about tonight.  I got in on the last of the game and it seems that the team is still making the same mistakes over and over.  This AC team has only won one game this year and we trailed for 38+ minutes!  What in the world!!!!

I had great hopes for this team, but I wonder if they have the desire to get better.  Desire has to burn inside you.  In my profession, there were/are lots of guys who have more talent and were/are more brilliant than I, but the equalizing force over a career is passionately to wake up every morning intently concerned that you will get better that day, every day for decades, long after you thought that you were good at what you do.

The sign over the door in my high school locker room said, "If you think you are green, you will continue to get ripe.  If you think you are ripe, then you can only get rotten!"

The beauty of the system that Coach Holmes and Coach Vanlandingham have tried to run is that when it is perfectly executed, you have 11-12 players who finish the game totally spent.  They should have left it all on the court, and they ran away from the other team in the last 10 minutes.  I was expecting us to do that tonight, but the defense seemed to keep making the same mistakes, giving up easy back door layups, making stupid ball handling errors, etc.

MC handed us our hats.  They stomped us bad.  I thought that we had gotten our bad games out of the way and were on our way up.  The loss at Henderson State U and this game tonight suggest that we have not decided to get with it yet.

The West is tough and everyone has McMurry in their sights.  There is no rest for us.  This team has Ozarks and then the HPU/SRSU trip.  We can be 3-0 over that stretch or 0-3 and chasing someone.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2006, 09:30:19 AM
I have "slept on" what I wrote last night and have one other thought about the concept of "passion to get better".

Vince Young.

Matt Leinart was the 2004 Heisman, the best collegiate football player in 2004.  National Champion in 2003 and 2004.  Reggie Bush was the 2005 Heisman Winner, the best collegiate football player in 2005.

Wednesday night, who wanted it more?  Vince Young's team was 12 points down with less than 5 mnutes left against the 2-time National champions going for a first ever three-peat!.

Whose "burning desire to get better" every day, every play, won the game?  He "smash-mouthed" USC on their own southern California turf, and everyone in America knew whom USC had to stop from scoring only once to win the three-peat.

Vince Young has talent.  Vince Young is very football-smart (I don't know his GPA :)).  And, Vince Young has that burning desire to get better, every day, every play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 06, 2006, 10:18:01 AM
Wow!  I gave UMHB all this credit yesterday and they get crushed by ETBU.  Well, I guess you better show up every night...McM barely gets by a 1-9 team at home.  Who knows who is going to win the West.

But I do know this...McM better start showing some more enthusiasm and heart the whole game, or we will have more major problems on the road.  Now credit...our best post player was not suited out, but we could still play with alot more passion.  This team looked alot like their first game, but with alot less enthusiam.  When we played HSU and ETBU, I thought they played like a team that was going places.  I think what bothers me the most is the lack of rotation on defense and leaving other teams all the open shots...it is absoluting the thing that is driving me crazy.

On a positive note...the team did a great job of coming back last night against a hot shooting AC team.  And most of that comeback seemed to come from some in your face better defense down the stretch. 

I'm always going to be one of the Indians best fans...but I'm always going to be a straight shooter with how they are playing.  You guys don't seem to totally have bought into the system...us fans have seen it work...but you have to play 40 minutes of in your face defense and have som FUN!  You have to get a little swagger out their.



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 06, 2006, 11:49:26 AM
Coach Holmes was definitely upset during and after the McM-AC game.  "We can't guard a saloon door that swings both ways," he told the Abilene Reporter-News.  The full article is at:

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4367734,00.html
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on January 07, 2006, 10:12:01 AM
Ralph -- USC's "Three-peat" is one of those "big lies" that arise every now and then and was supported and promoted by most of the sports media until this week.
Following the 2003 season LSU won the BCS Annual "OK, Who wants to beat the stuffing out of the Sooners?" Bowl.
And following the 2004 season, IMHO if the BCS had not screwed up and invited OU to that championship bowl, a legitimate contender, Auburn, would have give USC a game and, more likely, a loss.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on January 07, 2006, 10:13:47 AM
Ralph -- By the way, why is this conversation on this site? I have not been following faithfully for a month and just happened to get on this morning.
Another by the way: Happy New Year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 11:59:54 AM
baddog,   Happy New Year.  Thanks for correcting me on the erroneous statement of the USC "three-peat".

The McMurry win over Austin College was not a reflection of the efforts that the teams gave on the court.  (AC falls to 1-10, their only win over UDallas who is 2-11 and only has defeated Cal Tech and Swarthmore.)

McMurry should have put AC away very handily.  However, AC players wanted that game more than McMurry.

Baddog, Asst. Coach Vanlandingham has rejoined his mentor Coach Holmes.  They were the braintrust behind the 1998-2001 McM crew.

1998-99 --  22-3 --  Won the ASC-West (8-0) and lost in the semis of the post-season tourney on a very, very long 3-pt buzzer beater.  Passed over by the Selection Committee for a Pool B bid.

1999-2000 -- 27-2  -- Lost in the Elite 8 at Champion Calvin to Calvin.  Among the leaders in D3 in offense and Margin of Victory.

2000-01 -- 24-4 -- Lost in Sweet 16 to Finalist William Paterson with Player of the Year Horace Jenkins, whom McMurry guard Andrew Ottaro shut down until the free throws at the end of the game.

We fans see that 73-9 run and saw this year's talent and knew what the team could do, if they only would be "coachable"!

Coach Vanlandingham and Coach Holmes brought in 9 new players and resumed coaching their system.  We fans realize the job before the team, but we also believe in the coaching staff and the system.   These players need to adopt the "passion to get better".

That was the reason for the posting!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 07, 2006, 12:38:37 PM
I was fully willing to reference USC's 2½-peat if the Trojans had fulfilled their end of the bargain and won. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 04:24:15 PM
McM by 4,  15-11;   14:28 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 04:37:40 PM
Media  Timeout; McM 28-21; 9:40 left in first half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 04:58:43 PM
McM 51 UOz 35 1:45 left in the half.  Both McMurry Point guards have 3 fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 07, 2006, 05:03:04 PM
Concordia  44

ETBU 43

Half

ETBU down by as much as 17

ETBU shooting 57% from the floor
Cedric Isom 8 pts 3rbs 3assists
Chris Isom 8 pts 6rbs
Melvin Allen 8pts
Brandon Palmer 7pts

Concordia shooting 50% from the floor
Joel McDonald 11pts
Maxwell 10 pts
Graves 7 pts

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:03:27 PM
McM 53 UOz 40 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:04:48 PM
etbualum, Concordia-Austin defeated UW-Platteville before New Year's.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 07, 2006, 05:06:50 PM
33 MC  24 SHRIENER half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:19:00 PM
Stats--UOz

McCall 12 points on 4-5 3FG.
Habeeb 4; Sibley 6pts.
FG 14-33; 3FG 6-11; FT 6-10
Rebs 20; 6 off 14 def. TO 15 Steals 4

McM--Colina 14 rebs 5; JR 6; Dustin Faught 8; Terence Mirabal 5 pts;

FG 21-42; 3FG 3-16; FT 81-2; Rebs 24 tot. 8 off; 16 def; TO's 9 Steals 9.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:28:13 PM
Media Timeout-- 14:26; McM 66  UOz 50.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:39:27 PM
McM  76 UOz 63; 9:56 left.  McM at the line shooting 2.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 07, 2006, 05:45:30 PM
Ralph,

Are you actually at the game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:47:24 PM
Aerie, I am listening over the McMurry website.

Try checking the McMurry server on the Athletics page!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:48:12 PM
McM  90-65 about 7 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 07, 2006, 05:53:14 PM
Well, I'm listening too (painful though it may be!).  It sounds to me like a concession -- there have been guys on the court I've never seen get to play! I just wondered if that's what it looked like.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 07, 2006, 05:53:23 PM
Final:

HSU   71
AC     65

...in a close one!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 05:53:52 PM
Media Timeout -- McM 98  UOz 70.  4:38 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 07, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
ETBU 99

Concordia 85

Final


ETBU shot 59% in the game  47-22 rebounding edge

Cedric Isom 10 pts 10 assists 8 rbs  shot 5-9 from the field for the game
Micheal Keyes 12 pts 8 rbs in 15 mins
Chris Isom 26 pts 14 rbs 11-17 shooting
Melvin Allen 23pts 3rbs
Brandon Palmer 18 pts 8-11 shooting 5 assists

CU  Shot 44 % for the game

Joel McDonald 22 pts 11-11 from the ft line 5 assists
Maxwell 20pts 4rbs
Graves  19 pts
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 07, 2006, 06:01:10 PM
FINAL

MC  71

SHR 57

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 06:04:40 PM
McM 110 UOzarks 80.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 07, 2006, 06:06:42 PM
HPU 97 UTTyler 91.

HPU only had 9 turnovers compared to UTT's 19.

For HPU Wheeler with 30 pts 10 rbs,  Mcguire with 25 pts and K. Johnson with 24 pts.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 07, 2006, 06:09:00 PM
Two good wins for the Tigers.  Bert West always seems to get them going after the break.  Now time to beat up on the east a little.  Should be a good game tuesday night against LETU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 06:18:26 PM
UOz stats:

McCall 14
Habeeb 12
Beard 11
Sibley 11
FG 27-71, 3FG 10-24; FT 16-24. Rebs 20 off + 25 def = 45 tot
Turnovers 26, steals 7.

McM stats-
JR Williams 17
Elijah Bryant 17
Colina 16
Mirabal 11
Jones 10
FG 41-80; 3FG 10-31; FT 18-28; TO 19; Steals 17; Rebs 49 (19 off + 30 off)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 06:19:44 PM
Great win for the Jackets.

The Brownwood Mausoleum ought to have a good crowd on Thursday night! :)

Both the men's and women's Division leaders!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 07, 2006, 06:43:32 PM
Ralph it will be depending on how much of the population shows up and how many students come back early.  Classes don't start until the week after the games against McM and HSU.  So it will be interesting to see what kind of crowds do show up.

We've had a fairly good turnout for this weekends games so i'm sure we'll see a good one next week. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 08, 2006, 12:42:18 AM
I finally get this system that McM has going. After watching Thursday's game and today's game, I see what Ralph has been saying all this time.  You MUST believe in this system to make it work, it does work if you believe and you give it your all. On the other hand, it takes a lot of encouragment and positive praises to make it fun and to win.  You could see the difference in the faces and the "passion" with which they played today as opposed to Thursday.  You must work hard and it is difficult, but if you play like you did today there will be lots of W's. Awesome job guys!!Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 07:05:01 AM
Fanstand, good morning!  And it is a great morning!

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4372387,00.html

The system is fun and it works!

I counted 5 guys in double figures and the box score suggests that 5 more could have been there by hitting 1-2 more shots or making their free throws.  I'll bet that 10-11 guys got double digit minutes, too.

You play hard defense, so you can get back on offense.  You score quickly, so you can get back on defense.

There is very little difference in talent in the starting lineups among the 16 teams in this conference.  Virtually every team has several players that could play at any school in the conference.  But McMurry has 11-12 players like that and the younger ones will develop.  The system requires players who have the passion to improve, who want to work harder than an opponent who may be more talented, and who want to win more than the other guy.

HPU only goes 5 deep in most games.  We need our players to realize that their best chance to defeat HPU is for our "#8" or "#11" to step and play this game and beat their #8 or "#11".

The beauty of the "system" is that everyone can hustle on defense, whether your shooting game is "on" that night or not.  This system is like watching Dallas Stars hockey.  Have you ever noticed how the Stars coach will juggle his lines to get mismatches?  "Razor" and Ralph Strangis, the Stars broadcast team, will talk about the scoring from the 2nd or 3rd line.

It looks like McM got mismatches from "bench" second line and third line players like Raymond (8 pts), Jones (10 pts) and Mirabal (11 pts).  You can only start 5 players in basketball, or 6 in hockey.  But when McMurry finds a mismatch that accentuates the contribution that a Raymond or a Jones or a Mirabal has made, it is like Lance Armstrong hitting another gear on his bicycle climbing a hill in the Tour de France!  You just leave your opponents standing still!  And it is a different player every night!  And you realize thruout the season that it was a different player every game who provided the mismatch, that extra gear, that left the opponent standing still!

If your shooting is off on a particular night, then play strong defense and feed the guy who is hot!  Have fun with this.  The beauty is of the system is the in-your-face defense, the steal, the well-set screen, the great pass for an easy layup.

For McMurry, we have (IMHO) the hardest road trip of the West...the Brownwood Mausoleum on Thursday night and then the long bus ride to the Gallego Center... coming this week.   Right now, HPU leads with McMurry and UMHB and SRSU is tied with HSU for the 4th tourney berth!

Ya gotta believe...every day, every play! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 08, 2006, 01:45:12 PM
In the past few games, Curtis Jones, 6'6" soph, has become a factor.  His minutes have increased and his shooting has been quite good.  In the McMurry system, shooting is not the only thing that will get a player minutes.  He has to contribute in all aspects of the game to earn time.  Mirabel has also stepped up with added playing time and is a solid contributor. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 09, 2006, 02:21:16 PM
I know I don't get a vote in the team of the week but I hope HPU's Sean Wheeler gets on it this week.  He avg 28.5 pts and 9.5 rbs in the two wins against UTDallas and UTTyler.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: morknolle on January 10, 2006, 10:40:04 AM
Wow, it's been a couple years since I've logged onto the old ASC message boards, not since my senior season at LeTourneau in 03-04.  I guess I've moved on to bigger and better things and forgotten about it.  How are the teams looking this year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 11, 2006, 12:58:52 AM
The score on the scoreboard is posted incorrectly even though the article is correct.

ETBU 80
Letu 72

ETBU beat a pretty determined LU team tonight.  Evers is going to be a pretty good player for them.  Wished he had ended up here like it looked like he would have two years ago.  Two more very tough home games this week for ETBU.  Hopefully the gym will be packed for the second home game with students in town.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 11, 2006, 11:11:20 AM
UMHB 92 @ CUA 90 OT

one of the worst officiated games I have seen in a while...UMHB was up by as many as 16 in the 2nd half...Former Tornado Patrick Oliver hit a tough left handed shot to to win the gam in OT.

Gatlin lead the Cru w/ 34pts 15-20 FT's
Oliver 16pts 11 Rebs
Justin Schwartz 14pts

Valentino Maxwell 34pts
Joel Mcdonald 21pts

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 11, 2006, 11:14:07 AM
sorry about the 2 gramatical errors :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2006, 02:57:26 PM
Big win for UMHB.  McMurry always seems to have trouble at CUA!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 10:46:55 AM
Hey ralph I was looking on the McMurry website and reading the writeups...might wanna let them know Brandon Gatlin doesnt play for HPU :) as much of a nice addition he would make.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 12, 2006, 08:23:36 PM
Ralph, I hope our men can play as good as the women. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:52:53 PM
McM 19 HPU 6; 15:30 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:58:44 PM
HPU 25 McM 24.  13:00 left.

HPU is trying to run with us.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 12, 2006, 09:06:37 PM
Worried about the Indian foul trouble with 2 starters...and we are in one of those scoring droughts.  About 8 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 09:09:17 PM
McM 33 HPU 31 8:00.  Baker has done a good job for us with 9 points.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 09:11:53 PM
I am curious how far the HPU starters can run.

We don't seem to have the system down yet.

HPU 37-36.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 09:17:07 PM
HPU 45-41  3:58
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 12, 2006, 09:17:19 PM
Ralph:

I think its more of a case of Elijah and Rommel (don't know if spelling correct) being in foul trouble.  They just need to survive this half and keep it close.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 09:27:10 PM
McM--Mirabal hit 2-3 FT's with 0:32.  HPU leading.
Zinser at the line making  FT 1-2.  HPU by 3.
McM--Baker fouled FT 0-2.   0:16 McGuire rebs.


HPU  52 McM 49 Half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 12, 2006, 09:29:19 PM
I'll take only down by 3 going into the half with 2 starters sitting down the whole 2nd part of the 1st half...We need to knock down the little amount of FT's that we get.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 12, 2006, 09:30:08 PM
Half:

HSU   47
SRSU 24


..............................
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 09:42:45 PM
HPU 18-30 on FGs and 6-12 on 3FGs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 12, 2006, 09:51:51 PM
Halftime -- UTT 32, Ozarks 30
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 09:56:42 PM
HPU 71-59  14:30
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 10:07:49 PM
HPU 84-69 9:00.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 10:10:22 PM
HPU 86-69.  Playing in the Mausoleum is always tough, but McMurry has been out-rebounded by HPU.


Usual home court advantage issues, but McM has not been crisp.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 12, 2006, 10:15:44 PM
MC 93
Let 62

about 3 minutes remaining
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 12, 2006, 10:24:04 PM
HPU is just much better tonight...but it's not the end of the world for the Indians.  They need to regroup and get ready for Alpine...because SRSU loves it when we come to town and they will be tough.

I mean let's be honest...the Indians can look like conference champs one day like last Saturday and then very very average the next day like this game.  They need to start showing some improvement this time of year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 12, 2006, 10:27:02 PM
MC 102

Let 78

Final...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 12, 2006, 10:28:10 PM
Tigers hold on to win 73-71 against LC at home.  Cedric Isom hit a turn-around with 3 seconds left to seal the deal.  Tigers now 7-3 and the loss drops LC to 4-5 I think. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 10:29:09 PM
Finn, this was very ugly!  Almost like a step backwards!

I thought that we could run them down.  HPU 107-85.  Final.

Congrats dballa!  First place is yours!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 12, 2006, 10:36:58 PM
About 6:20 to play - Ozarks leads by 10 (the announcers haven't said the score for a while).  UTT is having foul trouble -- Ozarks has hit 22 of 26 FTs so far.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 10:40:41 PM
Aerie, keep it coming!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 12, 2006, 10:47:07 PM
Final


HSU   84

SRSU 72

Ugly second half, but the Cowboys held on to win.  (Many fouls and missed FT's by both teams.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 12, 2006, 10:50:25 PM
1:30 to go, Ozarks leads by 12.  Brandon Weasby just hit the first 3-pointer of the night for UTT.  Patrick Branche (sp?) fouled out -- 3 other Patriots have 4 fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 12, 2006, 10:56:32 PM
Cowboys/Lobos Game:

HSU:  28 turnovers, but outrebounded 39-31
Pickelman high scorer-24

SRSU: Hooper high scorer-17

HSU 84-72
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 11:03:09 PM
Ralph it seemed like HPU beat McM at their own game tonight.  It was definitely upbeat and once HPU got past that first trap it was just wide open and easy shots. 

Great win by HPU over a very good physical McM team.  But just like on the women's side, it's just one game and there's a long season ahead. 

Congrats Yellow Jackets!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 12, 2006, 11:11:06 PM
Final:  Ozarks 72, UTT 63. 

UTT had a 38-32 lead early in the second half, but Ozarks went on an 11-0 run to take control of the game.  UTT really had foul trouble -- two guys fouled out, and Ozarks hit 35 of 42 FTs.  Ozarks must have made a defensive adjustment at halftime because the two UTT leaders in the first half (Henderson, 9 pts. and Salters, 10 pts) scored only 4 combined in the second half.

Scoring for Ozarks:  Habeeb Kareem, 20 pts., 12 rebounds (and he sat out much of the second half); Brad Johnson and Chris Clark, 13 pts. each; David Hamilton, 12 points on 10 of 10 FT shooting.

Scoring for UTT:  Henderson, 13 pts., 8 rebounds; Vanderbilt, 10 pts., 11 rebounds; Salters, 10 pts.

Well, it's nice to come out of Tyler with a win after such humiliation in Abilene last Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 13, 2006, 09:10:11 AM
Any thoughts on what ails our McM men?  The thinking at the start of the season was that as we got used to the new system, the guys could only get better.  But my understanding of the system is that you have to have a deep bench, with everyone playing and playing well.  Could it be that we don't have the depth right now to maximize the system?  We started out great against HPU, and then just faded out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EagleCoach on January 13, 2006, 09:15:33 AM
I am a former McMurry Indian, I know coach basketball in a small community near Belton. One of my players is closely related to the UMHB community and he told me this morning that Gatlin was lost to grades and they played their first game without him.  This will greatly effect the CRU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EagleCoach on January 13, 2006, 11:11:35 AM
Keep playing hard Tribe, you will be fine.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 13, 2006, 06:26:15 PM
I think the Tribe will be fine. Last night the coliseum curse was on them. Most of those players had never shot the ball in that gym and HPU couldn't miss. Don't get me wrong, I was impressed by HPU they played a very good game, but McM will be awright. Stay focused and we could be hosting the tourney, better anywhere but the Bwood joint. It's a hard house to play in. Get the Lobos!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 04:51:13 PM
McM leading 38-26...media timeout with 4:33 left in the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:04:59 PM
McM leading over SRSU at half...52-38...Russel Raymond makes a 3 at the buzzer.

HSU leading over HPU 32-26 at the half...go Cowboys...I can't believe I'm saying that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:25:45 PM
Haven't listened to the whole game...but they just said that Hooper has zero points. 61-41 with 18 minutes left.  As I'm writing this Hooper just made a 3 to make it 61-44.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:27:56 PM
Hooper has now made 3 3-pointers in a row...down by only 11.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:32:27 PM
HSU 45 HPU 44  with about 10 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:43:49 PM
McM not playing defense now and SRSU getting hot.
Game tied about 10 minutes to play.  Lost 20 point lead in 6 minutes.
Hooper has 4 fouls...but he is hot now 5 3 pointers
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 14, 2006, 05:44:32 PM
mc 72
etbu 67

6 minutes
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:46:38 PM
Hooper should have just fouled out...but the officials decided to give the foul to a player who is lobbying...and the SRSU coach is delaying the game.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 14, 2006, 05:48:33 PM
mc 79
etbu 73

around 3 minutes to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 14, 2006, 05:50:48 PM
UMHB 66 TLU 50
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:59:28 PM
HPU 74 HSU 65  Good try Cowboys...get them in Abilene.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 14, 2006, 05:59:46 PM
Final:

HPU-74

HSU-65

:'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 14, 2006, 06:02:59 PM
MC 94
ETBU 86

Final...Great win for the chocs
The tigers are a 3 man team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 06:04:44 PM
McM leads by 4 with 4 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 14, 2006, 06:21:35 PM
Great 2nd half effort by HPU to pull out the win today.  The first half i don't think either team played very well at all.  HPU outscored HSU 48-33 in the 2nd half, some of that came from late free throws when HSU had to foul.

HPU:  J. Johnson 20 pts  Wheeler 17 pts 8 rbs  Zinser 8 pts 13 rbs 4 stls

HSU:  Pickelman 17 pts 8 rbs Mardochee 16 pts

HPU's conference tourney hosting is in their own hands the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 06:31:45 PM
McM misses one of their FT's and the other Hooper makes a 3 at the buzzer to beat the Indians...107-106.  What a disappointment after leading by 14 at half and by 20 with about 16 minutes left.


NOT A GOOD ROADTRIP!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 06:47:09 PM
Holmes says he is not sure it was a 3 and there was still over a minute left on the clock but the time ran out before McM had a chance to do anything.  You can tell he is disappointed but classy as always.

SRSU scores 69 points in the half.  Still the same old break downs in defense.  And FT's percentage was down.

I can't figure this team out...maybe just getting into the postseason tourney is a good goal now.  That is now 2 winless road trips in a row.





 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 14, 2006, 07:05:14 PM
Poor 2nd half free throw shooting and clutch shots by MC did in ETBU.  Best defensive job on Cedric all year.  Tigers have to get over this one and play well against Ozarks.

MC is very very deep
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 14, 2006, 07:17:28 PM
UTD 63, Ozarks 55.

(All this is from looking at the box score)
UTD had four players in double figures:  Milson, 17 pts.; Carruthers, 13 pts; Swafford, 11 pts.; Bush, 10 pts.

Habeeb Kareem is all Ozarks had, apparently -- 17 pts.

Looks like another poor shooting night for the Eagles -- 40% overall, a dismal 17% (4 of 23) on 3-pointers.  FT shooting was lame, too -- 50%.  Looks like it was mainly a bad first half -- the Eagles were down 30-23 at halftime.

I'm with you, finn -- I can't figure this team out, either.  It sounded like from the broadcast on Thursday that they pretty much took command of the UTT game against a team with a better record than UTD. But I guess anybody can come out flat . . . . . at least ETBU lost too, so we're still hanging in for second place.  But that kind of luck can't last forever . . . . . Thursday's game ought to be really interesting (and darn it, I'm going to miss it because of family obligations, the kind of thing you can't get out of without making people mad!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2006, 10:37:03 PM
finnman, I was in the stands behind the SRSU basket when the final shot went thru.

The SRSU news release is imprecise in its information.

As I looked thru the net on the SRSU end, I could see the clock at the other end.  The ball cleared the net with 00:00.9 secs.  I guess we can give the clock operator the benefit of the doubt in that he was not paying as close attention as we McMurry fans would have liked.

Coach Holmes was thus quite gracious in his comments.

This referee crew missed a blocked shot by Dan Jean who could not imagine that his arm span was that long on the block, late in the half.  The foul call shifted the momentum at that point of the game.

The pace was quite fast, and I think they had trouble calling fouls at the pace of the game.  The athleticism by both teams had the crew running.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 14, 2006, 11:11:48 PM
Ozarks' and ETBU's losses sets up a showdown of sorts next Thursday in Clarkesville for 2nd place in the East. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2006, 05:14:10 PM
Rockland, it was great to see you on Saturday.  I was glad to hear all of your good news!

The Gallego Center is a nice facility!  I really like the quaint old brick cabins as well.  I hope that they don't bulldoze all of them!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 16, 2006, 11:55:21 PM
Ozarks 69-Austin 56.

Austin led at halftime, 29-27, but Ozarks came out with a 12-0 run at the beginning of the second half.  Austin got it back to within two, 52-50, with 5 and a half minutes to play.  But Ozarks picked up the intensity to go up by 10 over the next minute of play, and Josh Joyner padded the lead with 6 of 6 free throws at the end.

Habeeb Kareem, 17 points
Josh Joyner, 11 points, 9 rebounds
Chris Clark, 11 points
Brad Johnson, 10 points

For Austin, Kyle May had 11 points.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EagleCoach on January 17, 2006, 11:20:31 AM
I don't know what is wrong the McMurry.  ??? I know HPU and Gallego Center are really tough places to play, but you really need atleast a split on that roadtrip.  They really need to get it together or they will find themselves out of a playyoff spot. I saw this team practice the first day and I was very excited about what I saw. Don't let each other down and go out there and play like a team, not for individual accolads. You must win the next two. Gatlin has been an Indian killer the last few years, I have heard is inelligable, that will help.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 17, 2006, 11:40:48 AM
Do not count the Cru out just yet Eagle Coach, they are 2-0 w/o Gatlin, and it seems like Coach Deweese has instilled a type of mental toughness that i have never seen in a UMHB team, this is a big week for the Cru..I will be at the games in Abilene this week..to see how things go..i just hope the officials do no get involved like they always seem to do in Abilene
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: warped on January 17, 2006, 11:40:48 AM
..hope the officials do no get involved like they always seem to do in Abilene...

or Belton or Alpine or Brownwood or Clinton or Pineville or Marshall...and on and on...

It just seems to be a way of life in the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 17, 2006, 04:15:17 PM
McMurry can not worry and be distracted about how the game is being called.  They are going to have some go their way and some (on the road) that will not go their way.  The team has to adjust to the calling and play within themselves. 

The season started 6 and 1.  Since the HSU game on 12/12/05, the Indians have gone 2 and 5.  The losses have all been on the road.  With McMurry fighting to be in the tournament, there are no throw away games left in the final 11 on the schedule.  Each contest now has a greater importance than before.  6 of the 11 are in Kimbrell.  1 is at HSU.  The schedule may be slightly in favor of McMurry.

Regarding last saturday's game in Alpine.  Sully scored 69 points in the second half and shot 74% from the field.  That type of shooting is strong indeed!   If the Lobo shooters were on fire from the outside and could hit nothing but the bottom of the net from any place on the court, that is one thing.  If, however, the points were coming in the paint, that presents a different picture for the McMurry coaches to work on.

Ralph, you were in Alpine.  Were the shots in the second half from close or beyond the 3 point line.  If they were, the Lobos won the game.  If the points were in the paint?, your thoughts please.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 05:07:11 PM
bcal, I had the pleasure to meet SR51Lobos at the beautiful "Pete P" on Saturday.  I digress, but Rockland Owens is on my all-ASC Opponent team for the man he is, and the man I want him to become!  I am Christian!  I can say this "out loud"!    God has blessed him in so many ways, and I pray he will bear fruit, 30-fold, 60-fold, 100-fold!

Back to basketball...as I second-guessed that game, I can see numerous places where we could have executed fundamentals in the game plan and won! We missed 2 of 4 free throw attempts in the last 25 seconds.  The defense broke down on numerous occasions, but SRSU was that hot, both in the paint and beyond the arc.  I did not see any shots that were incorrectly called as 3's.

I was most frustrated by the 00:00.9 secs that were left on the clock after Richard Hooper's 3FG went thru and the clock just wound down.

As for the conference, both McM and HSU need to defeat HPU when they come to town.  HPU has at McM at HSU and at SRSU on Feb 9th, 11th, and 13th.

Three HPU losses might have HUGE playoff and title implications.

This race should be knock-down drag-out!


http://www.sulross.edu/docs/athletics/srmmm114.htm#GAME.BX2
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 17, 2006, 06:04:23 PM
Going into play this week, HPU and UMHB are atop the ASC-West with 3 and 0 records in conference play.  TLU is at 2 and 1.  SU, HSU, SRSU, and McM are all at 1 and 2.  CUA may have a difficult task to get back in the race at 0 and 3.

Somebody will step up to meet the challange.  HPU is at TLU Thursday and is at SU on Saturday.  UMHB meets HSU on Thursday and follows up with McMurry on Saturday.  SRSU plays SU on Thursday.  Interesting games!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on January 18, 2006, 12:35:20 AM
Bcal,

I'm not sure if you're aware that all ASC games count toward conference standings. Here is a link to the ASC site you can find the updated records there.
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/standings-menbasketball-0506.pdf

Dr. Turner,

It was a pleasure to finally get to meet with you. I have really appreciated your comments over the last few years.

I am honored to be part of your All ASC-Opponent team, that's especially nice to hear coming from a fan/staff member of our biggest ASC rival. I say we name a team and play a few games. As I was telling you Saturday, it's pretty tough sitting in the stands watching after you've been a player.

Yes Dr. Turner I am blessed and I thank God for his many blessings everyday.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2006, 01:23:53 AM
We have standings for all conferences (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions/confstd.htm) on our site as well.

Some conference schools do a better job posting scores on D3hoops.com than others, of course.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 05:56:07 PM
I would like to kindle the discussion in here that is currently brewing in the ASC Women's board regarding ASC players compared to other teams from around the country regarding size and strength.

Are ASC men's teams comparable physcially to the teams they run up against in the national tournmanet?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 06:00:17 PM
SRLobo51, how did you think that the 2004 SRSU team fared size-wise  and strength-wise against Trinity or what you saw at Puget Sound, UW-Stevens Point and Lawrence?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 08:49:48 PM
Early on HPU 7 TLU 6 with about 13 mins to go in the 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 08:56:59 PM
HPU 11 TLU 8 Just under 10 mins in the 1st
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 08:57:51 PM
ETBU holds a 21-19 lead at Ozarks with 10 minutes left in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:13:59 PM
HPU 26 TLU 21 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 19, 2006, 09:14:11 PM
Half:

UMHB up 30-25 over HSU...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 09:20:57 PM
Wow, those are some low-scoring games.

ETBU leads 39-36 up in Clarkesville at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:21:14 PM
5:36 first half.  43-33, McM
McM--Faught at the line FT  1-2. McM 44-33.
CUA-TO
McM--TO
CUA--Jean reb
McM--Daily 2FG. McM 46-33
CUA--Maxwell FG.  McM  46-35. 4:36 media timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:22:09 PM
Great job on reporting the scores, guys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:24:31 PM
McM--hitting 57% on FG's Daily traveling.
CUA--Batiste is fouled by Colina.  Batiste is a 10% foul shooter.........all net;   air ball. Colina reb
McM--Graves fouls Bryson Daily FT  1-2; 4:05  double bonus on both teams. McM 47-36.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:25:22 PM
dsc--who is playing point guard for UMHB?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 09:30:54 PM
Halftime...

SRSU 36, Schreiner 29...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:35:08 PM
McM--Mirabal gets the steal and passes to Baker.

McM--Mirabal a 3FG  McM leads 65-53 half.

Man, Mirabal had a great shift on both ends of the court that time!

You can almost see that the team is trying to make the system work.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:36:07 PM
Ralph I think it's Conner Kuykendall thats playing point for UMHB.

HPU's point guard is out as well with freshman Victor Hayes playing for him right now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:37:11 PM
HPU 33 TLU 32 about 14 mins left to go in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 09:39:42 PM
dballa:

Keep us updated...important game!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 09:43:22 PM
ETBU 50 - Ozarks 46

15:00 to go

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:46:30 PM
HPU 43 TLU 37  10:25 left in the 2nd half

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:47:14 PM
CUA stats-- McDonald 16, Graves 11; FG 19-38; 3FG 5-16; FT 10-12; Rebs 17 TO 15

McM stats--Raymond 14; Stephens 11; Baker 11; FG 23-38 61%; 3FG 8-16; FT 11-17; Rebs 23; TO 15
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:47:58 PM
HPU 45 TLU 41 9:11 left in the game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 09:48:11 PM
SRSU............46
Schreiner......45

14:45 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 09:30:54 PM
Halftime...

SRSU 36, Schreiner 29...

So far, no let down for the Lobos.  Big win momentum is carrying them.
-----------------------------------

SRSU............46
Schreiner......45

14:45 to play

-------------------

I posted that too quickly. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:50:03 PM
HPU and SRSU are playing closer games than they most likely expected, even though they are playing on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 19, 2006, 09:51:06 PM
Ozarks and ETBU tied at 54 with about 12 minutes to go.  Ozarks just stole the ball and ETBU fouled.

Ozarks just took the lead, 11:54 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:51:36 PM
According to gametracker HSU 54 UMHB 53 with 7mins to go in the game

That would be huge if HSU and HPU both win tonight giving HPU sole possession of first at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 09:52:23 PM
dballa,

how can I get the gametracker?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:53:06 PM
McM's Finley Brashears has hit 7 points out of the box.

Great pass from Elijah Bryant.  McM 72-53.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 09:54:04 PM
dballa,

got it!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:54:22 PM
go to this link and click on gametracker for the UMHB game

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/hsim-m-baskbl-sched.html
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 09:54:30 PM
ETBU falling apart, now trail 61-54.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:54:44 PM
ok nevermind then i didn't post that last one haha
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:55:23 PM
McM 77-57.  17:57
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:56:20 PM
HPU 49 TLU 42 5:42 Left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 09:56:58 PM
SRSU............50
Schreiner.....51

11:45 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:57:25 PM
Go Bulldogs!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:58:55 PM
HPU 49 TLU 44 I'm thinking they just hit the under 5min media timeout

The broadcast is really choppy
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:02:33 PM
HPU 54 TLU 46 3:45 left to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 19, 2006, 10:03:09 PM
Ozarks has gone on a 16-0 run to lead 66-54.

Kareem just blocked a shot, now gets a basket at the other end and is fouled.  Hits the FT.  69-54. Seems like ETBU has gone cold from the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 10:06:14 PM
ETBU 59 - Ozarks 77

Tigers absolutely come unglued with about 8-9 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:07:43 PM
HPU 54 TLU 47 2:17 in the game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:09:17 PM
SRSU.........66
Schreiner..64


little over 6 minutes to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:10:37 PM
McM 100 CUA 70, 12:02 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 10:11:03 PM
An interesting note: ETBU charged with 9 fouls here in the 2nd foul, to Ozarks 3.  

The disparate foul calls have coincided with ETBU's collapse.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:12:43 PM
It looks like McMurry will continue to try scoring, because the coaches are letting some players get some minutes running the system.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:13:08 PM
HPU 55 TLU 51 :41 left in the game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:13:18 PM
Up by 30....are the starters still in Ralph?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:15:29 PM
HSU/UMHB going to OT tied at 65
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:16:42 PM
HPU 55 TLU 55 with :26 left in the game.

TLU was fouled shooting a 3 pointer, made one free throw, missed the last got the offensive rebound and made a 3 to tie the game.

HPU ball.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
HPU is without starting point Jamarcus Johnson, Sean Wheeler was hurt earlier in the game and now Kendrick Johnson has fouled out.

Very tough to play without 3 starters.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 10:18:37 PM
The University of the Ozarks dominates the 2nd half as they send East Texas Baptist to a 87-70.  Cedric Isom's woes continue with another poor shooting performance.  Tigers must regroup as they face a now must win game against Austin College.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:18:51 PM
Game going to OT tied at 55.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:18:57 PM
Well, Coach Holmes has interchanged his point guards so much, yes JR Williams is running the offense, but Brashears, Colina and Faught are out.

I imagine that they will play some more to spell some players, but the second and third line players are getting lots of real-time action.

One other thing, CUA Coach Bonewitz and McM Assistant Coach Vanlandingham are cousins.  There won't be any funny stuff, but I'll bet that McMurry will continue to run.

Coach Bonewitz can coach the run as well as anyone.  I wonder if the ability to run was the difference in the CUA win over UW-Platteville.  That win impressed me!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:19:17 PM
SRSU..............73
Schreiner.......72

04:33 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:20:19 PM
Ralph:

are you at the game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:21:57 PM
HPU 61 TLU 58 3:20 to go in OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:22:06 PM
SRSU..............78
Schreiner.......74

02:35 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:23:16 PM
HPU 63 TLU 58 2mins to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:24:32 PM
SRSU..............79
Schreiner.......79

1:40 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:24:58 PM
SRSU..............81
Schreiner.......79

1:18 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:25:16 PM
HPU 63 TLU 60 1 min to go in OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:25:59 PM
HPU 63 TLU 60 with :27 left in OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:26:05 PM
Pretty good games on this thursday
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 19, 2006, 10:27:30 PM
A few stats from the Ozarks-ETBU game:

ETBU - Chris Isom, 18 pts., M. Allen, 15 pts., Marbaugh?, 13 I think, Cedric Isom, 10 pts.
The Tigers shot 38% for the game, 32% in the second half.

Ozarks - Habeeb Kareem, 22 pts., Jake Sibley, 17 pts., Josh Joyner, 15 pts.  47% from the field.

Wish I could have been there . . . .
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:27:34 PM
SRSU..............81
Schreiner.......81

00:45 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:30:37 PM
HPU 65 TLU 62 :03 left in OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:20:19 PM
Ralph:

are you at the game?

No sulrosslobos, I am sitting at my computer enjoying the radio broadcast and the postings of a half dozen of my best friends as they report on the conference games tonight! :D :) ;D ;)

We have some really great games going on tonight!  Thanks to everyone!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:31:40 PM
SRSU..............81
Schreiner.......81

end of regulation
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
HPU 67 TLU 62 Final in OT.

HPU dodges a huge bullet.

TLU came out and definitely controlled the pace and kept HPU from running.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:32:41 PM
wow 3 OT games in one night.  It's just the beginning to a fun weekend :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:33:20 PM
Hardin Simmons loses
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:33:41 PM
Looks like a final in OT UMHB 75 HSU 72.

Maybe HSU wore them down enough to lose at McMurry :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 10:34:40 PM
sulrosslobos, keep is posted on your OT game.

Schreiner has played a lot of teams close as they always do but just can't pull out the wins this year.  Sounds a lot like their teams of the past as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:35:05 PM
SRSU..............83
Schreiner.......83

03:37 to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on January 19, 2006, 10:35:13 PM
They have played us close the past few years at their place. There is no such thing as a sure win on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:35:45 PM
SRSU..............83
Schreiner.......85

03:00 to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:36:06 PM
SRSU..............85
Schreiner.......85

02:40 to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:37:38 PM
SRSU..............86
Schreiner.......85

02:22 to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:39:17 PM
SRSU..............86
Schreiner.......86

02:04 to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:40:19 PM
SRSU..............86
Schreiner.......86

01:15 to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 19, 2006, 10:40:57 PM
Ralph,

Sorry I don't know the players well enough to know who was "point guard."

I know Kuykendall and Guyden were guards.

...and Guyden scored 17 points.

Tough loss at home in OT for the Cowboys! :'(

75-72
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:41:35 PM
SRSU..............88
Schreiner.......86

01:08 to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:43:50 PM
SRSU..............88
Schreiner.......87

00:16.2  to play in 1st OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:44:28 PM
SRSU..............90
Schreiner.......87

00:16.2  to play in 1st OT

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:45:08 PM
Ralph,

I don't know if I can take another close win....My heart is still (barely) beating after last Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:46:34 PM
SRSU..............90
Schreiner.......87

FINAL...........
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:51:33 PM
McM 138, CUA 112.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 19, 2006, 10:52:30 PM
Stats:

Sid Hooper......24 Points
C.J. Acosta......5 Points - Fouled Out
Arturo Escobar......11 Points
Matt Santa Cruz.....16 Points
Aaron Hardwick......23 Points - Fouled Out

SRSU:  65.6 % Shooting Second Half
           9 of 19 from Long Range
          72% from Charity Stripe

Schreiner: 48 % Shooting Second Half


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:54:11 PM
Sulrosslobos, SRSU had to claw and scrape for those points!!!

If you aren't on fire, you lose tonight!

Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on January 19, 2006, 11:27:34 PM
A reply to your earlier post Dr. Turner...

"how did you think that the 2004 SRSU team fared size-wise  and strength-wise against Trinity or what you saw at Puget Sound, UW-Stevens Point and Lawrence?"

We were stronger than Trinity although they had us in the height department.

We were taller than Lawrence as a team but they may have been a little stronger. As for Puget Sound and UW-SP, they both had a little more height but not much.

We were able to bother them with our press and style of play early in the game. I'm sure they don't play many teams (if any) who play the style of basketball a lot of teams here play. I guess that could explain the 15+ point lead. They kept their composure well and we lost ours when they applied pressure.

I don't like to say if much but... I honestly think that IF we had been able to keep our cool late we would have been playing for the National Championship. I know that's a pretty bold statement but we were the best team at that sectional.  We just didn't play like we were.

I'd really like to see an ASC team who plays the up tempo style make it there again. It would help this conference get more respect and exposure. (Just my opinion though)


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EagleCoach on January 20, 2006, 09:37:31 AM
McMurry bounced back in a big way. I think they will beat UMHB because of their pressure D and the CRU without their PG.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on January 21, 2006, 01:31:11 PM
Im taking the Cru in a relatively low scoring game. Go CRU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 04:29:20 PM
HPU 13 SU 10 first media TO
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 04:32:19 PM
SCORING UPDATE


SRSU............05
TLU..............12

13:20 left in first half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 04:36:05 PM
SCORING UPDATE


SRSU............12
TLU..............18

10:27 to play in first half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 04:40:36 PM
SCORING UPDATE


SRSU............17
TLU..............23

08:25 to go in first half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 04:48:22 PM
SCORING UPDATE


SRSU............23
TLU..............30

04:57 to go in first half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 05:31:04 PM
SCORING UPDATE:

SRSU.............44
TLU................50


14:28 left in regulation
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 05:33:19 PM
HPU 54 SU 52 9:35 left in the game

HPU is without two starters Jamarcus Johnson out for the rest of the year and Sean Wheeler who was injured on Thursday nights game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 05:44:09 PM
HPU 60 SU 60 4:46 left to go.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 05:52:04 PM
 SCORING UPDATE:

SRSU.............61
TLU................67


5:41 left in regulation
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 05:52:52 PM
HPU 70 SU 63  about a minute left in the game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 05:54:32 PM
HPU 71 SU 63 :40 left.

HPU has made all 21 free throws in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 05:56:38 PM
HPU 74 SU 65  :20 left in the game

HPU finally missed two free throws
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 05:58:04 PM
HPU 74 SU 65  Final.

Tough game today.  Schreiner has a really tough team but just doesn't have enough to pull it out.

To correct what i said they made their first 20 free throws of the game before missing 2 under a minute left.

Good win for the Jackets sets up a great weekend next weekend. 

Any other scores?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 06:00:58 PM
If i heard right McMurry is winning 79-60 over UMHB under 2mins left??

That would mean HPU would be all alone in first place after that game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 06:06:14 PM
MCM 85 UMHB 66 Final

HSU 82 CUA 72 1:13 left in the game

any others?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on January 21, 2006, 06:08:22 PM
TLU 87  Sul Ross 75 Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 06:08:47 PM
SCORING UPDATE:

SRSU......75
TLU........87


FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on January 21, 2006, 06:11:49 PM
dballa,

What's the difference in this years team and the one the last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on January 21, 2006, 06:12:22 PM
HPU that is..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 21, 2006, 06:16:01 PM
Final:

HSU 87

CUA 77


:D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 06:17:24 PM
Well the first thing is the presence of a point guard.  Aside from the past 2 games Jamarcus Johnson has been the leader but he won't be with the team the rest of the year.  Right now they have a freshman point Victor Hayes who has stepped in and played like a 2 yr letterman.

Another thing is the experience and hard work of the other 4 starters.  The past few years it has been a lot of ME ME ME and this year it's 100% team ball.  The team deep at all but the guys who have come in have all played well.  

Sean Wheeler who is HPU's leading scorer was out today due to an injury, hopefully he'll be back ready to go Thursday.  With Wheeler and McGwire controlling the paint the guards have had a lot of open shots and those guys are clearing off the boards a lot better this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 21, 2006, 08:23:14 PM
dude from austin college got fouled at the buzzer and hit two free throws to win by one over etbu

sad day
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 21, 2006, 09:13:55 PM
Ozarks won over LeTourneau this afternoon, 88-74. 

Ozarks built up a 13-point halftime lead, but I was surprised to see the second half score was 45-44 Ozarks.  It never seemed that close -- there were times Ozarks was up by 20+ points in the second half.  But a lot of the younger guys got to play toward the end, and I guess LeT cut into the lead. 

Ozarks had a balanced scoring attack, 5 guys in double figures, led by Kareem with 18.  LeT had 24 from Smith.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EagleCoach on January 23, 2006, 11:02:31 AM
Two big wins for the Tribe, great job bouncing back.  Must keep it up! 8)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 23, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
a split in Abilene is something you can't complain about...good win for the cru vs a better than their record HSU squad..tough loss to very hot shooting mcm team..anytime u go 15-33 from down town...your chances of winning are going to be very high...34 turnover also doesnt help your cause...big weekend for the Cru at HOme vs SRSU and HPU...a sweep will put you in 1st alone, or in a tie, depending on how HPU does at CUA..Go Cru
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on January 23, 2006, 04:13:32 PM
What a fun weekend this will be.  There will be a lot of turnaround and it should make everything fun.  Here is a prediction for the weekend. If Johnson and Wheeler will still be out for this week, I have HPU and SRSU both getting swept on the road.  If they were at home then maybe HPU wins.  This will put UMHB in 1st alone.  McMurry will have to fight at TLU and will win by a small amount.  HSU will sweep.  This will put SRSU and everyone else pretty much out of the picture for fourth and we will have our battle for first with UMHB, HPU and McMurry. HSU will settle as the 4th place team and it will be a fun last few weeks.
In the East there is no battle as always.  Mississippi will be first, Ozarks and ETBU will fight for second and UT-Dallas will get in on not having a good top to bottom east division.  Who knows UTD may pull off the upset at the tourney again!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 23, 2006, 04:28:41 PM
Wheeler will be back this week and HPU won't get swept.  All they have to do is put up 70 on UMHB and they'll win.  HPU can run it up and down the court and put up a lot of points but UMHB can't do that.  It was apparent against ETBU and against McMurry.  As long as HPU shoots their usual percentage they'll take that game in Belton.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 23, 2006, 09:40:23 PM
dballa.....i think it will be a good game in belton on saturday afternoon....i strongly believe umhb can beat a down srsu team...but i know coach d will have his guys ready to play...and about your statement about hpu running up and down on umhb like etbu and mcm did...i don't believe that will have anything to do with it..if u check out the boxscores from those games 2 games vs etbu and mcm...mcm shot 15-33 from down town and etb shot 11-20 from behind the arc...that has a lot to do with those 2 defeats...that is some hot shooting...im looking forward to the games this week and next week..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 24, 2006, 09:39:45 AM
I agree with you it should be a fun day of basketball on Saturday.  HPU can't look past Concordia on Thursday though because they'll definitely be ready to play.  It hurts playing without Jamarcus Johnson but the guys filling in have done a great job.



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on January 24, 2006, 12:28:20 PM
The other thing you have to look at dballa is that UMHB and HPU are playing the same style of basketball they have always played.  In fact the whole league is playing the same style they have played since the beginning of the ASC.  I played four years ago and UMHB was scoring in the 70's and only giving up in the 60's.  HPU was scoring in the 80's and giving up in the 70 to 80's.  McM was scoring in the 90's and giving up in the 80-90's.  It is all the same style of ball.  It is always a splint in Brownwood and and Belton.  UMHB will do their thing and HPU will do theirs.  The outcome will be a split!  I can remember the split because I remember hoping for UMHB to fall in Belton, to HPU, when I played, to help our position, and it didn't happen.  Then the same story for two more years.  We will see the same outcome playout. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 24, 2006, 02:12:40 PM
As long as you have the same coaches you'll most likely have the same style played each year.  The personnel is what makes teams different from year to year.  Sul Ross is playing the same style ball they did when they went deep in the playoffs but the talent level isn't as strong.  HPU has more talent on this years team than you saw 4 to 6 yrs ago but they are playing Coach P's same style of basketball.  Holme's at McMurry is still playing that same run and gun offense but he doesn't have the same consistent shooters that he's had in the past so you'll see one score at 138 and the next in the 80's. 

The only thing i'll hate about Saturday's game will be watching both teams without their starting point guards.  I want to see them play each other at full strength, but it should still be fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on January 24, 2006, 02:55:43 PM
dballa I do agree with the difference is personel.  But these teams have both up'd their talent.  I am expecting a split as always.  I think @ UMHB it will be a controlled game and UMHB's defense will be sound.  In Brownwood, UMHB won't shoot well, like no one does, they won't be able to dribble on the deadspots and HPU will push it and the score will be high.  Great weekend, this is what competition and college basketball is about!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 24, 2006, 04:19:09 PM
How did the LC-MC game go last night?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on January 24, 2006, 04:30:33 PM
The Chocs took care of business @ LC as expected, 88-60.  The game was never really in question with the Chocs up 49-31 @ half.

MC is looking pretty tough!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 24, 2006, 11:04:10 PM
East Texas Baptist takes out Letourneau 81-73 at home.  This win moves the Tigers to 8-6 in conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on January 26, 2006, 11:25:36 AM
Thursday is finally here. The weekend of truth starts.  Who will be on top Sunday?  Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 26, 2006, 10:12:39 PM
SRSU.......77
UMHB......73

2:57 to go

Ejections:
Acosta, SRSU
Ford, UMHB
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 10:13:22 PM
HPU 91 CUA 86 about 2 or 3 mins left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 26, 2006, 10:14:23 PM
SRSU.......77
UMHB......76

2:17 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 10:14:31 PM
HPU 93 CUA 86 2 mins to go.


HPU made 20 of 22 free throws against Schreiner

I don't think they have made 50% tonight..just awful free throw shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 26, 2006, 10:15:35 PM
SRSU.......77
UMHB......79

1:42 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 26, 2006, 10:16:22 PM
SRSU.......80
UMHB......82

1:06 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 26, 2006, 10:18:06 PM
SRSU.......80
UMHB......83

0:31 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 10:18:55 PM
HPU 96 CUA 89  1:01 left in the game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 10:20:35 PM
McM 68, TLU  66 Final!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 10:21:43 PM
HPU 97 CUA 91 :48 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 26, 2006, 10:22:28 PM
SRSU.......80
UMHB......85

30.2 seconds to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 10:25:22 PM
HPU 101 CUA 96 :05 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 26, 2006, 10:26:04 PM
ETBU beat UTT by about 7 at home

64-57 or something like that.

Micheal Keys and Chris Isom had double figures.

Cedric had 4 points I believe.

Weasby and Joe Henderson had 14 each for tyler

Great win for the Tigers
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 10:27:07 PM
HPU 102 CUA 96 FINAL

Concordia is really impressive and a good team.  They seem a lot like Schreiner, great talent great athletes but just can't pull out wins.  They are very young as well.

On to Belton :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 26, 2006, 10:27:40 PM
Ralph:

I only got to listen to the 2nd half...did JR Williams not play or what.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 26, 2006, 10:27:48 PM
SRSU.......82
UMHB......89

FINAL

SRSU was up by 17 at half...and led by 18 at one point

C.J. Acosta for SRSU and Ford for UMHB was ejected for fighting
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 26, 2006, 10:29:21 PM
50-48 HSU over SU

final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 10:36:54 PM
Finn, I only heard the last 0:00.75 seconds as Russell Raymond hit 1-2 from the FT line.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 27, 2006, 12:48:46 AM
Great comeback victory by the Cru..the atmosphere was amazing the 2nd half..the students section kind of reminded me of the cameron crazies the way they were all standing and yelling on every possession....Big game this weekend vs HPU in Belton...

SRSU had 4 players in double figures led by Sidney Hooper with 30..

UMHB also had 4 players in double figures led by Patrick Oliver with 24
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 27, 2006, 09:20:40 AM
In regards to those ejections does the ASC or NCAA have a rule to where they have to sit out the next game after being ejected?  That could be huge for Sul Ross if he had to but not as much for UMHB since Ford doesn't have as much production as Acosta.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 27, 2006, 11:09:49 AM
Good point dballa..and yes, there is a NCAA Rule that says if you are ejected from a game that you cannot suit up and play the following game, and that will be huge considering Acosta is one of Sul ROss' go to guys...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on January 27, 2006, 11:13:29 AM
Well good games last night.  I was almost correct.  HPU won which went against my prediction.  But my Cowboys won, McMurry won in a close one and UMHB rallied to win.  This makes Saturday a lot of fun.  McMurry will pound SU, UMHB wins in a tight one and HSU wins a close game @ TLU.  SRSU will lose to CUA.
I just saw Two for the Money so I am in my game prediction mode.
Oh yeah, Pittsburgh over Seahawks!  You can go to Vegas with that one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on January 27, 2006, 11:19:14 AM
Sounds like the atmosphere in Belton was reminiscent of years gone by in the old Mabee Gym...if they can fill the new gym like they used to with loud fans it would bring the old homecourt advantage back.  There was no better homecourt advantage than old Mabee!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on January 27, 2006, 03:08:00 PM
I don't think you could ever get the atmosphere that the old UMHB gym had.  What a dive that place was.  I hated playing there.  I know they enjoyed it.  Sounds like it was a great crowd but I bet their feet weren't on the playing floor like before!  Go Cru, I want everything to be tied back up. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on January 28, 2006, 12:51:07 AM
Huge game tomorrow in Belton...i hope the Cru can get another crowd like they had on Thursday night...should be a good one..I will be there!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 28, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
I'm going to Belton myself today for the games...should be a fun day...

STING 'EM JACKETS!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 28, 2006, 10:26:48 AM
Today's game between Mississippi College and Ozarks will be broadcasted over the internet. Our radio broadcast schedule is not definite and always changing, but we have live stats for all of our home games so fans can at least follow the score.

The links for both radio and live stats are on the front page of our website at www.mc.edu/athletics (http://www.mc.edu/athletics). Good luck to everyone in the ASC today, except Ozarks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 28, 2006, 11:46:49 AM
Well, as Thomas Jefferson said, "I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more luck I have."  Maybe if the Eagles come out and work hard this afternoon, they won't need any of that luck you're passing around!  :)

I'm glad to hear the game will be on the internet - thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 04:28:47 PM
SRSU...27
CUA.....19

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 04:32:32 PM
McM 10 SU 5; 14:57 Media timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 04:41:34 PM
SRSU...43
CUA.....31

04:31 to go in first half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 04:45:23 PM
McM 25 SU 24 9:49 left.  SU at the line.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 04:53:17 PM
McM 39, SU 36 7:27 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 04:55:58 PM
SU 40 McM 39 Media Timeout; 4:49; Brashears at the line for McM.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 28, 2006, 04:58:23 PM
HSU up by 12 with about 17:30 to play in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 05:01:16 PM
SRSU...55
CUA.....47

HALF
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:03:53 PM
SU 52, McM 48..Schreiner can run with us.

HSU's strategy to hold the ball worked for them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 28, 2006, 05:04:01 PM
Halftime - MC 32, Ozarks 29.  

Ozarks is not shooting well, 29% (but that may be MC's defense), but the Eagles are outrebounding MC by a significant margin, 32-15.  Nine different Chocs have scored so far.  Josh Joyner already has a double-double for Ozarks, 10 pts., 10 rbs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 28, 2006, 05:05:29 PM
I'm not sure if we don't need to work the ball more and slow the pace down a little...we are playing right into the hands of SU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:05:54 PM
Schreiner 55, McM 48 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:18:29 PM
McM 3FG 3-15;  SU 8-15 on 3FG's!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 28, 2006, 05:18:47 PM
I did not get to listen to all of the 1st half...but why is JR Williams not playing.  Is he hurt or did he quit...does anyone know?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on January 28, 2006, 05:19:42 PM
MC - 38
Ozarks - 33

16:57 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 05:19:51 PM
SRSU...64
CUA.....56

17:00 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 28, 2006, 05:21:44 PM
Cowboys lead 49-40 with 6:40 minutes to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 28, 2006, 05:28:50 PM
HSU 54

TLU 45

2:37 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:29:45 PM
Finnman, JR resigned from the team on Monday.  He is still in school and going to class.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 05:30:59 PM
SRSU...72
CUA.....83

12:00 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 28, 2006, 05:33:35 PM
What is the deal...that is 3 players that have quit?

Well then, we are going to have a hard time continuing to run the rest of the year with another guard quitting.

If we make a good run the rest of this year, it will be a tremendous effort.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:35:15 PM
Schreiner leads by 4;  14:45 left.

Schreiner is in the bonus.

Colina Fg McM  65-67.  Double bonus in effect for SU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 28, 2006, 05:36:41 PM
Final:

HSU---60

TLU---51

BIG, BIG, BIG, I mean huge game on Monday?

Cowboys and Indians!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 05:38:13 PM
SRSU...75
CUA.....91

9:45 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 05:39:08 PM
Finnman,

Which players have quit? and why?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:39:36 PM
SU 75; McM 69 12:45 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:45:01 PM
Daily Fg McM 78-77.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 05:48:31 PM
SRSU...87
CUA.....101

5:50 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 28, 2006, 05:48:41 PM
HPU 81 UMHB 79 FINAL GO JACKETS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 05:51:41 PM
SRSU...90
CUA.....103

4:29 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:55:04 PM
McM  90-87 5:47.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 05:59:51 PM
McM 90-88, 4:53 left and McM is shooting free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 28, 2006, 06:00:06 PM
The ETBU Tigers topple UT-Dallas 74-65.  ETBU led 40-20 at the half but once again squandered a double-digit lead.  Cedric Isom finally breaks out of his horrendous shooting slump, going 7-13 and 3-4 from behind the arc to net 21 points.  We head to two angry schools next week in Tyler and Dallas.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 06:00:44 PM
SRSU...103
CUA.....109


2:15 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 28, 2006, 06:02:17 PM
Sulrosslobos:

JR Williams, Cole Dickerson, and TJ Devoid(sp?)

But I have no idea why they quit...that is what I'm trying to figure out...especially JR.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 06:06:26 PM
McM 95-92 1:45 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 06:08:46 PM
SRSU...107
CUA.....112


1:22 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 06:09:40 PM
McM 97-92
SU--Bryant reb.
McM--Faught misses.
SU--Jump Ball and their possession 0:07
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 06:11:16 PM
SRSU...111
CUA.....114


27 seconds to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 06:11:53 PM
McM 99 SU 95.  Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 06:14:02 PM
SRSU...111
CUA.....116


FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 06:15:15 PM
My Mistake

SRSU...111
CUA.....118


FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 06:37:14 PM
HPU 81  at UMHB 79.  2-game lead for the Jackets with 7 to go. 

The Jackets have to come to Abilene for McM and HSU and then to Alpine on Feb 9th, 11th and 13th, but the rest of the schedule favors HPU!

dballa, will you be hosting the dignitaries in your Skybox at the 2006 Men's ASC Post-Season Tourney in the Brownwood Mausoleum Coliseum?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 28, 2006, 09:02:07 PM
Ralph sorry I didn't get to reply sooner I just got back from Belton.  What an amazing day.  Down by 11 with 5 mins to go in the game and Kendrick Johnson goes absolutely crazy making shot after shot to bring HPU back.

That was one crazy environment and even Coach P got into it.  One of the students yelled out "Coach it's getting hot in here why don't you take off your jacket" and Coach didn't back down said "Why don't you come take it off me" haha gotta love it.

The rest of the way should be a lot of fun to watch...
Ralph I can get you a front row seat but not so sure about the skybox :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on January 28, 2006, 10:12:18 PM
Mississippi College beats Ozarks, 71-54.  I had to leave the broadcast before the game was over and I was afraid it was going to be much worse than 17 points! 

Shooting percentage was the story here -- MC shot 63% in the second half, Ozarks shot 23%. Ouch.  At least we outrebounded them, 53-33 (but I guess there are lots of rebounds to be had when you're missing 8 of every 10 shots!).

For MC, Powers had 12, Eugene had 11, and Winford had 10.  Ozarks had two guys with double-doubles -- Joyner with 17 points and 16 rebounds, and Kareem with 11 points and 13 rebounds.

Hope things are different next Saturday in Clarksville. . . .

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 10:17:34 PM
dballa, we needed uMHB to bring HPU back to the pack!

Ouch!  11-point lead with 5 minutes remaining????

McM and HSU needed that one badly.

For UMHB stays in contention for the title, they need to win at Brownwood.  That SRSU-HPU road trip next week could make or break the MHB season.  SRSU is on the edge of the 4th seed.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on January 28, 2006, 10:19:26 PM
Aerie,

You guys always play us tough in Clarksville and I suspect that next Saturday will be no different. MC played much better the second half, but there is reason to be concerned when looking at the rebounding difference. You guys owned the boards and if that is the case next week then the Chocs will be in trouble. I know you guys will shoot better @ home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 11:22:34 PM
MC's Jazmine Eugene on the front page?

Great!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 29, 2006, 11:24:53 AM
I really love HPU's chances of hosting the tournament.  Not to say they don't have a lot of work to do but with 4 out of the last 7 games being at home, it makes life a lot easier.  This weekend we'll finally have all the students around for the home games and should be fun to watch.  We always bring a crowd to Abilene so that road trip will be exciting and the key weekend to see who will be on top.  Only fitting it will be in the "key" city Ralph :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 29, 2006, 10:41:03 PM
I'm just trying to figure something out here but isn't it NCAA policy that players ejected for fighting are suppose to be suspended for their next game?  Acosta for SRSU and Ford for UMHB were both ejected from their game Thursday night for fighting, yet both played in Saturday's games.  Does the ASC have some overriding rule, were they ejected for some other reasons, or was it just not reported?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 30, 2006, 01:57:48 AM
Appendix I
Fight Reporting
Procedures
BR-154


1. The referee shall inform the offender(s), the head coach and the official
scorer that an ejection for fighting was issued (the official scorer shall
note this in the scorebook).
2. After the game, the referee shall contact the coordinator of officials/
assignor for the game and report all ejection(s) for fighting.

3. The coordinator of officials/assignor shall report the ejection(s) for fighting
to the conference commissioner or, if the offender is from an independent
institution, to that team's athletics director.

4. The conference commissioner shall call and follow up in writing to the
following people:
a. The athletics director of the team whose individual(s) was involved
and
b. When the opponent's individual(s) was ejected for fighting, that
team's conference commissioner or, when that school is an independent
institution, to that team's athletics director.
5. Fight-reporting procedures should be handled quickly since the longterm
participation of the offender(s) shall be affected by a second fight.
6. Related considerations:
a. The head coach should withhold the offender(s) from the next scheduled
game even if the conference or athletics director has not contacted
him or her.

b. Institutional and conference policy dictates whether a suspended
individual shall be permitted to attend a game from which he or she
is suspended. If the individual(s) attends the game, he or she shall
not be in the team's bench area.
c. After a game, conference offices or the assigning authority may correct
an error in who was involved in a fight but can neither change
an official's ruling that a fight took place nor lessen the severity of the
penalty but may make the penalty more severe.

Assuming the first two things happened, it should have been automatic. Even if those things didn't happen, it looks like the rulebook is clear on what the coach should do.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2006, 08:02:56 AM
Thanks Pat, I thought I read that correctly myself.  I guess it doesn't matter that they played anyways since both of their teams lost Saturday.  Thats punishment enough for two teams needing wins :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 01:06:27 PM
A source close to the situation tells me that they were not ejected for fighting, even tho' a punch was thrown.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2006, 01:20:06 PM
I guess someone who was there would have to explain that to me then because it still doesn't make sense.  A punch was thrown, both guys ejected, yet it wasn't for fighting and no technical fouls or flagrant fouls were given in that situation.  So why were the guys ejected from the game and should they have been ejected if they weren't assessed with a Technical or Flagrant?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 02:05:28 PM
dballa, I have researched this phenomenon extensively.  I have discovered 2 similar examples. :o

1) "I smoked , but I didn't inhale."

2) "I did not have [relations] with that woman."

:-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Ralph and don't forget "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit" :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 30, 2006, 03:00:13 PM
...or, "How'd I know she was in the back seat, when I drove off the bridge!"

::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 30, 2006, 04:10:19 PM
you guys are something else....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 30, 2006, 04:25:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 02:05:28 PM
dballa, I have researched this phenomenon extensively.  I have discovered 2 similar examples. :o

1) "I smoked , but I didn't inhale."

2) "I did not have [relations] with that woman."

:-\

Ralph:

To keep things in [political] perspective, there's at least a third example:

"I am not a crook."

:P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 30, 2006, 04:46:22 PM
Have we yet discovered what went down?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2006, 04:59:52 PM
No I don't think we have figured it out, we're just blowing smoke(without inhaling:) ) until someone says something that really clarifies it or until Thursdays games come around and we have more to talk about.
Well let me add to that, tonights games are worth talking about as well for sure.  Big games on both sides but huge game for the men of McM and HSU. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:34:43 PM
Thanks to Chad Grubbs, the HSU SID!  He does a great job.

The stats for tonight's game are on the HSU web site's Gametracker.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 09:03:22 PM
McM 26 HSU 15 9:59 left in the half.  HSU at the line.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 09:14:59 PM
McM 37, HSU 26. 4:55
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 30, 2006, 09:39:17 PM
Ralph:

I didn't get to go to the games tonight...rough one for the ladies.
But since this a men's sight...I'll post comments later over there later.

I'm proud of the guys for starting well...hope we can keep it up. 
Wish I could have gone, but babysitting tonight.

Biggest stat I noticed them talking about is the 14 turnovers we have forced them into so far.  But I have listened to very little of the game.  How's it been going otherwise.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 30, 2006, 09:51:57 PM
HSU on a 10-0 run...Indians up by 6
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 10:38:58 PM
finnman, this has been an interesting game.

HSU 83, McM 81 HSU ball 0:10.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 30, 2006, 10:44:45 PM
Final:

HSU 85

McM 81

Great win...Cowboys!  You can do it.

Hard fought game...lead changed back and forth.

Good games in the Mabee Complex and on the Forty Acres!

Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 10:45:13 PM
Radio report...

The biggest excitement in the game was when HSU Coach Dylan Howard came off the bench, ran onto the floor and chested up on McM guard Elijah Bryant after a foul by Bryant on a steal attempt.

That is inexcusable!  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(   Howard is about 6 inches taller and 80 lbs heavier than Bryant.

Coach Holmes came off the bench to protect his player.  Only then did both coaches get technical fouls.

The referees lost control of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 30, 2006, 10:51:31 PM
Hey Ralph,

Was that a McM radio broadcast?

Just curious...

It was definitely a "Cowboys and Indians" battle tonight!

Could not believe the number of times the lead changed over during the last 10 or so minutes of the game.

Do you know how many fans were in attendance?

On to the playoffs...I hope anyway.  Cowboys are improving.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 11:02:19 PM
Yes, that was the way that the McMurry announcers described it.  Coach Howard seeemd to be on the floor about 5 secs before Coach Holmes' name was mentioned.

The McM announcers were commenting about how far Coach Howard (came from his place on the bench) to confront Bryant.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 30, 2006, 11:36:41 PM
Sounds like you guys on the radio didn't hear how loud it actually was in the gym.  The HSU Cowboy Band was set up with horns and drums at the top of the bleachers for both the men's and women's games, and whenever there was a break they blasted forth.  I couldn't even hear my wife sitting next to me, and they pretty well drowned out all the cheerleading routines on the floor during the timeouts.  I think the band definitely gave HSU an edge; is this a new trand, bands at basketball games as well as football games?  If each side brings its band, in the confined space of a closed auditorium the fans will have to wear earplugs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 11:45:11 PM
The HSU scoresheet does not list the technicals on the coaches.

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/hsum19.html#GAME.BOX

If the conference office wants to look at the video, then they can find out what happened.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 31, 2006, 12:42:05 AM
Ralph,

The official scoresheet shows:

Technical Foul-McMurry-TEAM
Technical Foul-HSU-TEAM

So, I guess they awarded the TEAMS the fouls, not the coaches.  Are there any free throws when that happens?

Was this towards the end of the game...or when?

I'd be interested in hearing what someone (mcmfan?) who was at the game says about the incident.

I was at HSU games "in the last century"...and the Cowboy Band (remnants of it) played at the games then.

I think the 2,211 in attendance is maximum!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2006, 01:19:54 AM
The play-by-play does not record the Technicals which are now recorded on the game sheet.  I think that they were listed in the last minute of play, being given to Russell Raymond instead of Elijah Bryant.

I wasn't scripting the game from the radio, so I don't have notes.

After the foul call on the McM player (Bryant?/Richards), the HSU Coach comes off the bench.  If the refs call that technical then, HSU shoots the foul shots and then McMurry shoots the technicals.  McMurry then gets possession of the ball after getting the chance to neutralize the persopnal foul free throws.  It is a big swing in the game. 

Coach Holmes has to go protect his player.  But the referees fail to control the game and the coach who is chesting up a player from the other team.  The second technical (on McM) gave the advantage back to the (HSU) coach who got the first technical.

I also have had this story corroborated by another fan who was courtside at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 31, 2006, 05:37:49 AM
Huge win for the COWBOYS in the standings and against their crosstown rival.  Good to see HSU win at home in front of the fans too because last time HSU won it was over the break and at McM.  Good job Pickelman and Jean, way to step up.  Keep getting them W's and make some noise in the confernce tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2006, 09:19:23 AM
Quote from: dsc on January 31, 2006, 12:42:05 AM
...
I think the 2,211 in attendance is maximum!

dsc, I have been using the 3200 capacity figure that is listed on the HSU Cowboy and Cowgirl D3Hoops.com webpages.  They list the enrollment at 2,211.

In any case my friend reports it was capacity by the end of the women's game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on January 31, 2006, 10:52:08 AM
I am going to keep rather quiet on the events of last night's game for fear of saying something I will regret.  That beings said, hats off the the players of HSU for carrying out a game plan and playing real well.  I believe this McM team any given night can beat anybody in the Conference.  I don't think we have heard the last of them.

And As Forrest Gump would say..

That is all I have to say about that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 31, 2006, 11:03:55 AM
Afraid I'll have to disappoint you; I couldn't tell what exactly happened, until both coaches were on the court and the refs were going crazy.  It looked to me like Elijah almost tackled the guy with the ball to make sure the refs saw the foul and stopped the clock, or slipped and fell on him when he fouled him so it looked worse than it was intended.  Or maybe the guy with the ball deliberately fell down to make it look worse than it was.  Howard may have thought he was defending his guy from Elijah. I think at that point in the game, everything was personal.  When Brashears fouled out a bit earlier, for example, the HSU announcer on the P.A. system didn't just say he fouled out, he said he fouled out and then added sarcastically, "Let's have a round of applause for Finlay Brashears!"  In that charged atmosphere, it's probably surprising there weren't more technicals.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 31, 2006, 02:44:36 PM
This may dissapoint you also, but this is exactly what happened:
there was a hard foul (intentional? probably, but aren't they all intentional under a minute).  HSU GUARD got up off the court and started toward MCM GUARD (they were probably going to "chest up" and push each other a little, you know how kids are) when HSU COACH, very quickly, slid in between them (it was less than five feet from the HSU BENCH) to keep them apart.  HSU COACH was facing MCM GUARD, but there was never a "chest up" from HSU COACH to MCM GUARD.  MCM COACH came over to get his two cents in.  BOTH COACHES got into a battle of words.  the refs seperated everyone, sent both COACHES to their BENCHES (with both of them talking the whole way), and finaly got them to sit.  evidently MCM COACH was not done talking to HSU COACH so he came all the way over to the HSU BENCH where HSU COACH was still sitting in his seat.  HSU COACH then stood up.  i dont think they were making dinner plans.  when HSU COACH finally stood up, i'm sure MCM COACH forgot why he even went over there in the first place. (HSU COACH is a big big man).  needless to say BOTH BENCHES got a "T".  that is how it went down.

someone please explain:
MCM COACH came all the way over to the HSU BENCH to try and restart the fire, and they gave BOTH BENCHES a "T".
um, makes sence to me?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 31, 2006, 03:04:55 PM
d3fan4life,

Thanks for giving us your perspective on the events.  Seems plausible to me.  Of course, everyone believes what they want to believe...and sees what they want to see! :-X

It appears the refs did a fairly good job in handling the matter.  From your report it appears (to me) that both "benches" deserved the technical.  To "punish" only one would not have been fair...at all.

Again, thanks for your report.  Everyone can draw their own conclusion.  I know the HSU coach and I would not go out of my way to pick a disagreement with him...e.g. size, etc. :)  Coach Howard is a good man and would not harm a flea!  Protect his player, on his home court?  You bet!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 31, 2006, 03:08:32 PM
when Jean fouled out he said "Let's have a round of applause for Mordochee Jean!"  i dont see the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 31, 2006, 03:11:36 PM
agreed, but MCM COACH should have spent the final seconds of the game in the locker room.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on January 31, 2006, 03:20:36 PM
there was contact between Bryant and Howard, whether intetnional or not it was there.  That does not explain why Howard was on the floor to begin with.

Interesting how an event is seen two different ways.  D3fanforlife, I will not argue with you but i did see things differntly.  A technical should have been assessed the moment Howard left the bench and came onto the floor.

Trust me Coach Holmes wasn't looking for a fight. He is alot smarter man than that
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 31, 2006, 03:35:51 PM
they were not on the court, they were out of bounds
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on January 31, 2006, 04:20:27 PM
HSU must have a very large sideline then.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on January 31, 2006, 05:39:40 PM
there was no cantact between the hsu coach and the player

they werent even close to eath other.  a good 4 ft seperating the two.  I even think coach howard pointed his finger at the player and that is when the mcm coach stepped out onto the floor.  Thats ridiculous to even say that there was contact between the two (howard and player).  Emotions were running a little high in the Mabee complex.  needless to say the foul pushed it to the limit.  Im sure both coaches look back on it today and laugh a little and maybe regret some of it.  Great game last night to both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on January 31, 2006, 10:43:21 PM
I agree.  I was very close to the action and there wasnt any contact between howard and bryant.  Howard stepped in front of brackett and poined at bryant
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2006, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: mcm_indians on January 31, 2006, 10:43:21 PM
I agree.  I was very close to the action and there wasnt any contact between howard and bryant.  Howard stepped in front of brackett and poined at bryant

Why is your name mcm_indians but you post with a Hardin-Simmons e-mail address?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 01, 2006, 12:59:58 AM
At the game last night, I thought the crowd was loud and annoying, the band was loud and annoying, the announcer was annoying. I was just trying to sit and watch a nice friendly game of basketball. Heck the cheerleaders were even trying to compete for attention. Then the coaches got into it. From where I was sitting, Coach Howard came out on the floor way out on the floor. He should have been T'd up at that point. The officials got him back to his bench and then Coach Holmes came over to the bench, I think he was trying to get both of them a T. Probably a smart move. People wouldn't sit down, like I said they were annoying, so I couldn't see real well but I didn't see anyone touch or chest butt each other, it sure was exciting though. Don't you just LOVE this game and this rivalry? (I like it better when we win)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 01, 2006, 07:22:24 AM
BORING...


(It's over!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: minni on February 01, 2006, 12:30:40 PM
well the give us something else to talk about dsc!!!

it was some good action and it was something good to talk about till the next game.  you are right it is over for now.  I thought i had read or heard the NCAA was looking at the tape to review what happened.  Not sure how much truth there is to that.  But it is over for now.  but it sure is fun to talk and argue about.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 01, 2006, 02:52:56 PM
Why don't we talk about how superior MC is to the rest of the ASC?

Do any of you guys get upset that a team from Mississippi dominates a league comprised of of mostly Texas teams? ;D

I would like to hear responses as to how you think the ASC will play out this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2006, 06:35:16 PM
I really want 2 bids from the ASC this year...one going to a western bracket and probably MC going to the Great Lakes area.  The biggest thing that we need is a continual presence in the Elite 8, with occasional trips to the Final 4.

MC is very good this year.  I think that they are a Top 10 team.  If they can have some luck in the Tourney, then the conference benefits. 

I think that the best chance for 2 bids is someone upseting MC in the Tourney and then MC getting a Pool C bid.  Since it would be a plane flight for MC to come this way for the NCAA's, they might be flown east and the Pool A winner (my hope McMurry, my best guess in this scenario is HPU) be sent west.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on February 01, 2006, 09:00:49 PM
I have seen the game film and there is no evidence of the hard foul by bryant or anything with coach howard.  Everybody was standing and you couldnt see.  Even if they wanted to review it they wouldnt be able to see anything.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 01, 2006, 09:08:34 PM
Ralph,

I agree with you.  The ASC really does need 2 teams to get in the tourney on a yearly basis. 

I do believe there is a strong chance that MC could be beaten in the conference tournament.  While I hope that doen't happen it would benefit the conference by giving us another team in the tourney.

I played for MC from 97-01 and I am not sure any of the teams we had are as good as this MC team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 01, 2006, 09:56:14 PM
[quote author=minni link=
"well the give us something else to talk about dsc!!!"

Ha!  Minni, don't get me wrong.  I'm loving it.  Best story we've had in awhile.  McM fans saying they were robbed and a T-foul on the HSU coach would have turned the game.  HSU fans saying that it didn't happen that way.  The D3 "guru" getting on the board and asking why a McM "handle" was emailing from a HSU computer...was he taking sides?  And several, who were at the game, attempting to corroborate the stories of those who were not there.  And now we hear the NCAA is getting involved, then that it won't do any good, because fans were standing and the camera didn't catch  it all.

I absolutely LOVE it!  I figure it'll be around for a couple more days, until everyone plays another game.  Keep it up, it is NOT boring...I said that to see what everyone's reaction would be.

Love to all!

HSU fan!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2006, 11:39:40 PM
t-money, your assessment would mean that this MC team is probably Elite 8 calibre.

For history sake, the Chocs went to the playoffs all four years that you played.  They won 3,  lost 4 games and received a bye.

I hope that MC goes east.  Practically speaking, IMHO,  the road to success would be going thru the Great Lakes Region and demonstrating how good ASC basketball is.

Trinity TX has plenty of fans in D3-dom, but Sul Ross St beat them in San Antonio.  That 2004 OT loss to Lawrence on a neutral floor hurt us on a national scale.  I think that we will match up well against either Trinity or Southwestern, should we meet them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 12:31:28 AM
This communication has come to McMurry and is passed on to members of the McMurry community.

QuoteThe NCAA ... will stay its decision on McMurry University's use of the Indian as our mascot until all administrative appeal options have been exhausted. The decision allows McMurry athletic teams to continue using the Indian mascot until this issue is resolved.

In McMurry's appeal to the NCAA, McMurry presented a video that was made at Homecoming showing Tipi Village, interviews with "docents"/social club members in typical raiment and in ceremonial regalia, and interviews with the Native Americans who judge Tipi Village.

The video is quite impressive.  We will just have to see how the appeal comes down.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 02, 2006, 03:40:00 PM
McMurry plays TLU tonite and SU on Saturday.  The last several games have not been "smooth".  Play seems pressed and inconsistant.  For whatever the reason, McMurry has lost three starters since the mid point  of the season.  It is my thought that the reason the players left the team may not have been on the court.  Two of those players were starting guards and the third guard has been ice cold from the field.  This puts added pressure on the players to perform and may adversely affect the concept taught by the coaches. 

McMurry coaches Holmes and Vanlandingham teach a proven team concept.  The team remains talented and quite capable of performing at a high level.  The need to relax, play confident ball, and follow the game plan of the coaching staff.  There remains a lot of season left.  This team can make good things happen!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 02, 2006, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2006, 11:39:40 PM

Trinity TX has plenty of fans in D3-dom, but Sul Ross St beat them in San Antonio.  That 2004 OT loss to Lawrence on a neutral floor hurt us on a national scale.  I think that we will match up well against either Trinity or Southwestern, should we meet them in the playoffs.

Both those Trinity and SRSU teams were very, very good.  That Sul Ross team was clearly the best ASC team since the McMurry Elite 8 team.  Extremely talented.  Surprised they didn't go further.

Keep in mind Trinity beat the first place ASC-W team with relative ease this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 02, 2006, 04:04:27 PM
I think the most interesting game of tonight is UMHB @ SRSU.  There is a lot a stake for UMHB and SRSU has nothing to lose.  UMHB actually has a lot to lose.  They really need to finish strong to make a run at the West title.  UMHB needs to win out, which if they get through this weekend they definetely could.  I really think that HPU, with a lose to UMHB on Saturday, will lose again to McMurry or HSU.  This would make an interesting end.  It would be nice to see Patillo finally have a capable team perform, but they have choked in the past.  The only reason I don't want HPU to win it, I would hate for any teams to find rooms in Brownwood.  I think it would give the west an advantage though in the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2006, 04:13:35 PM
What do you mean SRSU has nothing to lose? They have their post season chances to lose if they don't start winning.  They are on the bubble big time.

As far as finding rooms in Brownwood, there are a couple new very nice hotels built that should have plenty of room along side the others that we have here in town if it should come to that.  But to start thinking about any of that this early on would be stupid.

But 321, keep up the predictions on HPU losing like you did last weekend, it seems to be helping them win more :)

In regards to Trinity beating HPU this year, gotta keep in mind it was early in the year with HPU having a lot of new players on the team this year.  Coach P was playing a lot of the younger guys trying to figure out what combinations would work.  In that game HPU was down by 14 at the half and only down by 5 with less than 5 mins to go in the game.  The way HPU is playing now I think that score would be different and HPU would have a lot better chance of winning now.  It would still be an exciting game to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: carlweathers on February 02, 2006, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2006, 11:39:40 PM

Trinity TX has plenty of fans in D3-dom, but Sul Ross St beat them in San Antonio.  That 2004 OT loss to Lawrence on a neutral floor hurt us on a national scale.  I think that we will match up well against either Trinity or Southwestern, should we meet them in the playoffs.

Both those Trinity and SRSU teams were very, very good.  That Sul Ross team was clearly the best ASC team since the McMurry Elite 8 team.  Extremely talented.  Surprised they didn't go further.

Keep in mind Trinity beat the first place ASC-W team with relative ease this year. 

Good afternoon Carl, thanks for the posting.

Trinity handled HPU in San Antonio for HPU's second game.

The other bit of data is that Southwestern lost at HSU and lost to UMHB when they had Brandon Gatlin.

IMHO, Trinity has done more raise the national opinion of Texas D3 basketball than anyone.  TU's performance against UW-SP  in 2005 got people's attention.

I look forward to some good ASC-SCAC post-season play!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2006, 04:34:52 PM
Oh and you also have to remember in the Trinity/HPU game, HPU was delayed in getting to the game by over an hour and a half because of a traffic accident.  Anytime you get stuck on the road like that and don't get your usual warm up time in you come out slow which they did shooting in the 30% in the first half.  But once they warmed up and got their rhythm they shot close to 60%, which is their norm. 

Ralph I thought UMHB beat Southwestern by 2 this year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 05:33:35 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 02, 2006, 04:34:52 PM
Oh and you also have to remember in the Trinity/HPU game, HPU was delayed in getting to the game by over an hour and a half because of a traffic accident.  Anytime you get stuck on the road like that and don't get your usual warm up time in you come out slow which they did shooting in the 30% in the first half.  But once they warmed up and got their rhythm they shot close to 60%, which is their norm. 

Ralph I thought UMHB beat Southwestern by 2 this year?

dballa, you were right. I have corrected that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2006, 05:44:36 PM
No problem i was just making sure I read it right previously :)  I'm on my way up to the HPU games against CUA.  The guys game could be very entertaining if it was as up and down the floor and high flying as it was in Austin.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 02, 2006, 07:06:37 PM
mc 28
austin 34

a few seconds left in the first.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 02, 2006, 07:15:28 PM
mc 33
austin 34

halftime

I think the leading scorer for the chocs is vaquez with only 4.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 07:51:50 PM
It is hard to remember that the AC men play first.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 02, 2006, 09:11:47 PM
mc 70
austin 62



final.....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 09:12:50 PM
TLU 22, McM 17 9:15 left in the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 09:45:44 PM
Halftime  TLU 48 McM 39

TLU  FG 15-23; 3FG 6-11; FT 12-14; Reb 18; Turnovers 14

Will Hudson 18, Walton 12.

McM  FG 16-32; 3FG 3-10; FT 4-7; Rebs 9; TO 7; Steals 7.

Rommel Colina 14 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 02, 2006, 09:59:03 PM
Hoopstar,

Any final stats of the MC/AC game?

Doesn't sound like we played very well but I will never complain about a win on the road in ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:02:47 PM
TLU 57, McM 53. 13:00.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:11:32 PM
McM 63 TLU 63, 9:18.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 02, 2006, 10:19:03 PM
Final:

HSU 72

SU   56

........................................
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:20:04 PM
TLU 73 McM  69  , 6:33 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:25:42 PM
Media timeout: TLU 75 McM 73, McM's Dustin Faught at the line, 4:43 left.

Faught misses.

TLU--Brashears blocks; Colina Reb
McM--Mirabal FT 2-2;  TLU 75 McM  75.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:34:19 PM
McM--Raymond 3FG  McM 78-77
TLU--Morales travels
McM--Raymond 3FG  McM 81-79.
TLU--turnover
McM--turnover
TLU--2:23 Carpenter FG.
McM--Stephens FG and fouled,  McM 83-79.

Oswald TLU coach gets a technical. 

Colina misses the technical.  Stephens makes FT. McM 84-79
TLU-- Nelson FT  1-2.  McM 84-80.
McM--under 2:00, turnover 1:46.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:36:51 PM
TLU--Faught steals the inbound pass.
McM--shot, Faught fouls out with 12 pts. 1:21
TLU--Carpenter doinks his first, makes the 2nd McM 84-81.
McM--1:14  Stephens misses the layup.
TLU--reb Colina, but foul by Elijah Bryant.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:37:33 PM
TLU--Hudson FT 2-2; McM 84-83. 0:35 and McM timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:40:25 PM
McM--30 secs on the possession clock.  Raymond misses a 3FG.

TLU timeout 2.5 sec left.  McM 84-83.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:44:50 PM
TLU--3.2 secs on the clock, time was added.  Setting the clock at 0:03.2 secs.

TLU--Walton to throw in, Dan Jean is defending.  TLU calls time. Ball is inbounding from the sideline.

TLU--0:03.0 ball at the far sideline. McM time out. McM 84-83
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:46:40 PM
TLU-- backcourt violation. 1.2 secs left.

McM--successfully gets the inbound. McM 84-83 Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 02, 2006, 10:48:09 PM
Thanks Ralph,

...for keeping us updated.  Exciting game!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:51:55 PM
I try to do an objective job...even trying to record the technical fouls called on the coaches, too! :-\

McM ties at 5 and at 26.  McM trailed by 9 at the half and then leads after a 7-0 run, at 63-61.

McM ties 75 and regains the lead at 3:23 and never relinquishes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2006, 10:52:11 PM
HPU 113 CUA 108  Final

CUA hit 18 of 35 3 pointers in the game.  Just an unreal shooting exhibition from them tonight.  Brandon Graves went crazy in the 2nd half.  It's amazing they have the record they do.

For HPU Sean Wheeler another steller night 35 pts 11 rbs
             Cliff McGwire 25 pts and 12 rbs.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2006, 11:00:11 PM
Oh and as good as CUA's 3 pt shooting was...overall for the game HPU shot 67%.  Definitely no lack of offense tonight from either team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 02, 2006, 11:13:34 PM
Ozarks 73, LC 61.

It was close at halftime with Ozarks up by 32-29, but the lead stretched out to double figures early in the second half.  LC made a little run with about 8 minutes to go, got the lead back down to 4 a couple of times, then Jake Sibley hit a 3-pointer with 5:35 to go to push the lead back to double figures for good. 

Skluzacek had 22 points for LC.  For Ozarks, Kareem had 16 points, Johnson had 15, and Joyner had 11. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 02, 2006, 11:15:21 PM
off the scoreboard SRSU 77 UMHB 73 FINAL.  McM is now a half game ahead of UMHB and HPU's lead is 2.5 games now if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 11:59:37 PM
dballa, what is the magic number for HPU to host?  4 for McM and UMHB 3 versus HSU?  ;)

I still think you ought to get the construction crews into the Mausoleum to finish those executive skyboxes!   ;D :D 8)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on February 03, 2006, 12:01:01 AM
I must confess that I pay much less attention to the rest of D3 hoops than I do to D3 football.

But I had the pleasure of listening to the Concordia/Howard Payne game tonight as I drove to San Antone from Lubbock this evening.

What a game! And the HPU radio crew is great. I make that drive pretty often so I hope to catch more action out there. It made my drive a lot more enjoyable.

Good luck to all of you.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 12:07:38 AM
Welcome to the ASC board, lil giant!  It is great to have a veteran from the Great Lakes Region to post.

What did you think?  You got to hear typical ASC uptempo basketball.  HPU doesn't go quite as deep into the bench as Concordia does.

It is looking like the ASC Men's  Tournament will be in Brownwood, Thursday thru Saturday Feb 23-25.  I hope you can make it.

If you were to announce your coming, I am sure that there would be several volunteers to host you.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2006, 12:14:40 AM
Li'l Giant, thanks for the kind comments about the radio crew.  They do a great job every game.  Dallas has been doing HPU and Brownwood games for many years and there aren't many better in the profession.  I'm not just saying that because I know he gets on here to look at the messages either :)

Ralph as far as the magic number goes, being an accountant you would think i could  easily figure that up huh.  If HPU wins Saturday against UMHB they'll be 4 up on them and just need one more win to at least share the title with them and own the tiebreaker.  If HPU wins their next 3 games they could cruise on into the tournament and be sleeping in their own beds.  They could also be hosting by winning their last 3 home games and winning at least one game on the road.  

Which it's a very tough road trip going to McM, a place HPU hasn't won in over a decade, going to HSU which might be HPU's best chance at a win and then going to Alpine.  One thing that helps HPU out is McM and HSU going to CUA and UMHB that last weekend.  

As for your skybox seat Ralph,  I think there is still that old chair up in the rafters from the olden days...it's all yours :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 12:19:56 AM
dballa, I have some ideas for those Brownwood Mausoleum Executive Skyboxes.

Install designer soft drink dispensers, you know those big top-opening ice boxes with the ice water in the bottom,  filled with Dublin Dr Peppers and Mexican Coca-Cola in the old glass bottles (made with pure cane sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup).

In the back will be a special kitchen for catering by Underwood's Barbecue.

Over to the side put in a hot tub with special Lake Brownwood tap water, tiled with antique/vintage 1950's Santa Anna Tile Co. tiles.

Add some 56K baud high speed dial-up modems.

I think they would look really, really nice. 8)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on February 03, 2006, 12:21:40 AM
Ralph,

Thanks for the welcome. I would have paid good money to actually watch that game instead of just listening to it.

HPU shot the lights out. 67%! And Concordia knocked down all those 3s.

HPU really impressed me going on that run after CU took the lead. And it was pretty impressive that CU took that lead after being down 13. What was the attendance? The crowd sounded pretty good.

Also, as a San Antonio native it was great to hear the name Stan Bonewitz again. I saw him play when he was in high school at East Central. That guy could ball! And the coaching is in the blood.

All in all it was a great D3 experience. I will definitely look into checking out the tournament. My roommate from Wabash lives in Austin and that sounds like our kind of road trip.

Plus, there was some place I ate at in Brownwood after a deposition a couple of years ago that had a great chicken fried steak. I need to find that place again.

dballa,

Dallas (and the broadcast in general) made me quite jealous. Wabash's games are broadcast by students, which is cool in it's own way, but nothing beats an experienced professional crew.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2006, 12:24:17 AM
well if it was HPU's facility and they weren't just paying to play there i would be all for it :)  But with future possibilities of having their own place to play, no need investing money for another persons gains :)  now if HPU gets their own facility i will gladly put your ideas into to writing and see if they can't be implimented.

Saturday can't come fast enough.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 03, 2006, 12:26:47 AM
Li'l Giant,

by all means if the tournament is in Brownwood come on down we'll gladly welcome you to what should be one heck of a tournament.  It will be a fun environment whether it's in Brownwood, Abilene or Belton.

That chicken fried steak you had was either at Underwood's or it was at The Section Hand.  The only way to figure it out is to stay the whole weekend and try it all :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 12:27:40 AM
lil giant, CUA defeated UW-Platteville in Austin in December with the uptempo style.

Do you know if WIAC's are susceptible to intense uptempo styles of play?  SRSU almost beat Larry U in the Sweet 16 at UPS in 2004 using the uptempo style.  This is not a Grinnell style; it is more like Nolan Richardson's 40-minutes-of-hell style,  intense defense, hurry up and score, and get back to playing defense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 12:30:01 AM
Quote from: dballa on February 03, 2006, 12:24:17 AM
well if it was HPU's facility and they weren't just paying to play there i would be all for it :)  But with future possibilities of having their own place to play, no need investing money for another persons gains :)  now if HPU gets their own facility i will gladly put your ideas into to writing and see if they can't be implimented.

Saturday can't come fast enough.

dballa, we have a swim team at McMurry.  Do you have "mixed bathing" at HPU or would the hottubs be a bit gauche?  Nothing like the Cialis commerical tho'.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on February 03, 2006, 12:33:52 AM
Underwood's sounds familiar. Of course, it was the summer of 2003 and I've had a LOT of brain cells killed by beer since then.

When I was in college I had a girlfriend that went to Grinnell. I went to see a game or two when I would visit her. That's not basketball. There's nothing wrong with up-tempo. I rather like it. But "the system" does nothing for me. I know next to nothing about the WIAC.

The sense I got from listening to this game tonight was that Concordia didn't really care if HPU scored because they were going to get their points. Sure enough, they got hot the middle of the second half and took the lead. But HPU answered. It seemed to be a game of runs.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 12:50:38 AM
UT-D 73, LeTU 60

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/MBB/MBBMAIN.htm

ETBU 78, UT-Tyler 73

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/basketball/mschedule0506.html
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 03, 2006, 05:11:45 PM
The unsubstantiated word on the street is that McMurry has had some players quit.  What's the deal Ralph?

If this rumor is indeed true, it will mean that the top 3 teams in the West are somewhat short-handed (Gatlin out for UMHB, Johnson for HPU). 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 07:49:35 PM
Three players are no longer with the team.  I have heard that 2 of them are still in school, in good academic standing, and on track to graduate.  Since i am not on campus, I do not have first-hand information and I know nothing else. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 04:43:21 PM
Media Timeout 9:44 left in the first;  McM by 3, 23-20.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 04:55:01 PM
Media Timeout -- McM 31, SU 30, 4:56.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 05:08:10 PM
Half  McM  45,  SU  32.

Schreiner had six 3FG's in their first 23 points of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 05:22:10 PM
SU halftime stats--

Dean leads with 10 points

FG 10-27 37%; 3FG 6-12 but made none in the last 9 minutes; FT 6-14; Rebs 19; TO 15

McM-- Faught leads with 9.

FG 17-35; 3FG 4-14 29%; FT 7-7; Rebs 19; TO 9; Steals 7; 12 Assists (Bryant has 5).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 04, 2006, 05:28:52 PM



HSU  61

TLU  39


Final.................
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2006, 06:06:44 PM
HPU 79 UMHB 71 FINAL!!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 04, 2006, 06:18:47 PM
mc 75
ozarks 67

final.....
Broomfield 15 points and Winford 13 for mc
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 04, 2006, 06:20:08 PM
I think that might wrap up the east for the chocs
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2006, 06:23:38 PM
with 5 games left you are right hoopstar they've clinched 1st place in the East.

HPU can clinch the West title next weekend with wins against McM and HSU in Abilene.  Definitely will not be easy.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 04, 2006, 06:31:50 PM
MC 75, Ozarks 67

MC came out hot -- I swear they must have hit 7 of their first 8 shots, including something like 3 3-pointers.  They led at halftime 39-35.  But Ozarks took the lead with about 15 minutes to go (sorry I can't be more detailed -- need to remember to take a pen to the game with me  :P) and it was back and forth from that point -- neither team could go up by more than 3.  Then with about 5 minutes to go, Ozarks had a string of bad luck (bad calls????), including a timeout awarded to MC on what looked like a contested possession.   With less than a minute to go, MC led by 8. David Hamilton hit a 3-pointer to cut it to 5, but then we couldn't get another one in three tries, and MC hit some free throws to stretch it out.

For MC, Broomfield had 15 and Winford had 13.  For Ozarks, Kareem had 16.

MC is big, and deep -- they could send in a whole other five at once, and there wasn't much difference in the quality of their play.    First loss at home for the season.  Good game, anyway.  I feel like I need to go run a couple of miles to get rid of this excess adrenelin!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 06:40:10 PM
McM 106, Schreiner 96
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 04, 2006, 08:03:13 PM
CUA....105
SRSU...126

FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 08:10:43 PM
UT-Tyler 74 LeTU 58.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 05, 2006, 05:41:20 PM
UT-Dallas over ETBU, can't remember score.  Cedric Isom seems to have ended his slump, hitting 21 and 30 in the week's games.

ETBU faces near must win game Thursday in Pineville, because they go to Mississippi and host Ozarks after that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 07, 2006, 01:26:49 AM
Big weekend for HPU both men and women. They both head to Abilene where the men haven't won @ McMurry in a few years. Hopefully the momentum of the big wins agaisnt UMHB will carry over and we can continue the win streak and close out the regular season title. I am sure McMurry and Hardin-Simmons will both be waiting and hoping for a win so they don't have to travel back to Brownwood to everybody's favorite Coliseum. Sting 'em! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2006, 07:23:44 AM
UT-Dallas, 77 UT-Tyler 71

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/MBB/MBBMAIN.htm
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 07, 2006, 03:20:49 PM
Can UMHB even make the tourney?  They are on a downslide that they may not recover from!  Way to go HPU!  Book your rooms for Brownwood.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 07, 2006, 06:35:40 PM
Howard Payne received a vote this week in the top 25 poll, not bad for a team without a key contributor. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mark23 on February 08, 2006, 10:37:35 AM
HOW MANY GAMES DOES HPU NEED TO WIN TO HAVE THE TOURNEY IN BRONWOOD
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on February 08, 2006, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: 321inandout on February 07, 2006, 03:20:49 PM
Can UMHB even make the tourney?  They are on a downslide that they may not recover from!  Way to go HPU!  Book your rooms for Brownwood.

HSU & UMHB are tied for the 3rd & 4th slots in the tourney. They have a 3 game advantage in the win column and 2 in the loss column over SRSU. A combination of 1 win by HSU & UMHB and 1 loss by SRSU  puts HSU & UMHB in the tourney. HSU & UMHB have 4 games left, SRSU has 5. HSU & SRSU play tomorrow, that game could determine the fate of SRSU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 08, 2006, 01:17:03 PM
If HPU wins both games in Abilene Thursday and Saturday then it's set for Brownwood.  Outside of that 1 win on the road and 2 wins at home the next weekend sets it in Brownwood without having any help from other teams. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 08, 2006, 05:05:53 PM
South regionals that came out today.

NCAA Regional Rankings:  Feb 8, 2006.  (From NCAAsports.com)
South                                    Region     Overall
1. Mississippi College                17-1        19-1
2. Trinity (Texas)                       12-2        16-5
3. Virginia Wesleyan                 18-3        19-3
4. Fisk                                         9-2        14-7
5. Howard Payne                      15-3        16-3
6. Randolph-Macon                   14-5        17-5
7. Southwestern (Texas)          12-4        16-5
8. Maryville (Tennessee.)          13-5        17-5

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on February 09, 2006, 12:35:59 AM
Thats great that MC is #1 in the region.  I just hope they dont do the Chocs like they did them last year.  They had to travel to Tennessee and Michigan even though they were #1 seed.  I just hope they play at home at least once or twice for the national tournament.  GO CHOCS!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 12:44:21 AM
MC boy, actually Miss College was not the #1 Seed in the South Region.  They were the #1 seed in the ASC tourney.

The Chocs had to travel to Maryville, which was higher seeded for their second round game.  IMHO,  the first round bye was an accommodation to transportation, so the NCAA would not have to buy a plane ticket...

Methodist got bussed to Maryville and lost.

Maryville hosted Mississippi College, who got the bye. 

If Mississippi College had been the higher seeded team, then Maryville would have been bussed to Clinton.

As a result, the NCAA did not have to fly Methodist to Clinton.  It worked out.  Had Methodist defeated Maryville, then they would have come to Clinton for the second round game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McMHasBeen on February 09, 2006, 02:54:16 AM
Actually Mr. Turner. All 3 players who are no longer with the team are still in school and in good academic standing.  As far as I know, 2 of the 3 are on track to graduate this summer at the latest. Its been a tougher year down there than anticipated after early success, but we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 09, 2006, 02:05:24 PM
McMhasbeen,  Your post is good news indeed!  It would be a shame if these three young men had both left the team and dropped out of school.  Your statement that 2 of 3 are in school and on line to graduate by this summer is the reason they should be attending McMurry University in the first place.  Thanks for this information.

BIG weekend of games starting with HPU tonight.  Important series for HPU as they need to win both games in Abilene.  HSU and McM know they need wins for their own purposes.  All these teams need to bring their "A" games for all these contests.  And then there is SRSU who may be overlooked and quite capable of playing the role of spoiler aganist either of McM or HSU.  Sully could be tough to handle if your are looking ahead or behind.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 09, 2006, 02:51:39 PM
HPU doesn't NEED to win both games in Abilene, they just need the wins if they want to clinch 1st place this weekend.  They could lose both games and still be in 1st by a half game. Then it would just mean they would have more work to do the last 3 games including a game in Alpine to be in 1st.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 09, 2006, 03:13:25 PM
of all the teams vying for a tourney spot, doesn't Sul Ross have the most tourney experience.  I look for them to knock off HSU and McM.  Wouldn't that throw a wrench into things??   :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 09, 2006, 05:21:45 PM
MC Boy, the chocs didnt play at home because they lost in the asc tournament to utd. If they would have beaten them then they would have played at home at least once mabye even more than that. The chocs were lucky enough to even get in after losin to the comets. Also the chocs were #1 in the south region up until they lost that game last year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 08:56:38 PM
SRSU......11
HSU........20

09:29 to go in half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 09:06:51 PM
SRSU......21
HSU........28

04:56 to go in half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 09:17:36 PM
SRSU......35
HSU........34

Halftime
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 09, 2006, 09:27:03 PM
Choctaws dominating Let.
MC 41
Let 15
Half


Let scores the first 2 points then chocs go on 17-0 scoring run to make it 17-2........
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 09:31:29 PM
McM pulls ahead for the first time 51-50.
HPu comes back and makes 2 Fts.  HPU 52-51.
McM--Mirabal 3FG.  54-52.

McM leads  54-52.  HPU led by as much as 10 numerous times in the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 09:31:53 PM
HPU..........50
McMurry...51

1:00 before Half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 09:32:13 PM
Sorry Ralph...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 09:38:21 PM
Way to go Lobos!  you are fighting hard tonight!

If you can increase the pace, you might win.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 09:40:28 PM
SRSU......50
HSU........42

14:01 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 09:48:39 PM
SRSU......60
HSU........48

10:15 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 09:55:38 PM
FT 17-19, Wheeler and Zinser 36 points between them.


Colina, Stevens and Mirabal 12 each

FG  57% , 3Fg. 5-14, FT  7-10
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 09:56:20 PM
McM 66, HPU 62,   14:40 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 09:58:10 PM
SRSU......62
HSU........52

6:05 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 09, 2006, 10:08:51 PM
SRSU......73
HSU........59

FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 10:09:33 PM
McM by 9 with  8:32 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 09, 2006, 10:14:12 PM
Good game SRSU...

73-59 SRSU over HSU.

SRSU shot 10 3 ptrs and 43% FG...seemed to be the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 10:18:36 PM
McM 93 HPU 82 5:23 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 10:22:41 PM
McM 98, HPU 86, 4:21 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 10:29:30 PM
McM 102, HPU 90, 3:12 left.

McM 107, HPU 92.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 10:30:16 PM
McM 112 HPU 95. 1:00
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 10:31:58 PM
McM 116 HPU 97.  Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 10:47:15 PM
HPU stats:

Johnson 35pts 8rebs 6 assists, Wheeler 23 pts, McGuire 15 pts 10 rebs in 38 minutes.  Zinser 14 points.  Only 10 points from the bench.

FG  36-75; 3FG  4-19;  FT 21-26;  Rebs 34 12 off 22 def.
TO 24.

McM--

Elijah Bryant 20 pts ( 5-8 3FG);  Alvin Stevens 20; Terence Mirabal  19 on 4 3FG's; Colina 17 pts and 6 rebs; Brashears 16 pts and 7 rebs; Baker 10 pts and 12 rebs; Faught 10 pts.

FG 45-78; 3FG 12-28; Ft 14-22; Rebs 47; TO 26; Steals 14; Assists 26.

Coach Holmes called Kendrick Johnson MVP in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 09, 2006, 11:05:32 PM
McMurry played well tonite aganist a fine HPU team.  It was pleasing for them to close out the game on a positive note in the later parts of the second half. 

HPU will come back strong aganist HSU.  Sully defeated HSU and McMurry gets the Lobos on Saturday afternoon.  McMurry can not be looking back at the HPU game.  Remember, the SRSU game at Alpine, 3 pointer to win at the buzzer, as I recall.  The lobos would like nothing better than to win both games in Abilene.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 09, 2006, 11:20:27 PM
It was a nail-biter in Clarksville tonight -- Ozarks 94, UTT 92.  Brad Johnson hit two free throws with 4.7 seconds left to give Ozarks the lead.  David Hamilton knocked a UTT pass out of bounds, then Johnson got a steal on the inbounds pass to end the game.

The most impressive thing about this game was the shooting.  Ozarks shot 63.6% for the game (70.8% in the first half -- I know, I have to keep looking at the box score to make sure it still says that!), and UTT shot 57.1%.  UTT had four guys in double figures, lead by Vanderbilt with 20 and Weasby with 19.  Ozarks had five players who scored double figures, led by Josh Joyner with 23 points.  Brad Johnson had 11 assists.

I heard Coach O'Connor say we "survived" the game more than "won" it.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 09, 2006, 11:35:03 PM
Wow!  I'll be honest.  I did not think we could beat HPU tonight.  They are so athletic and Johnson is the best player I have seen this year.  

I really think it helped in the second half when we quit trying to trap on the press.  They were killing us with easy layups.  We also started to work the ball better on offense than I have seen in awhile.  HPU didn't really want to play half court defense and also did not hustle back on defense.  HSU can beat them if they hustle and slow the pace down.  HPU is so athletic, HSU cannot run with them.

There is no doubt that HPU is for real...best team they have had in a long time.  Most athletic on the West side.

Finally, I saw the worst call of the year when they fouled out Rommel.  That was not a blocking foul.  That guy ran straight through Rommel standing still.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 12:41:04 AM
Congrats to McM on the win tonight.  HPU just played so poorly at the point for most of the game that they just looked so awful getting their offense going.  Hayes looked so good early on then his freshman status started showing late in the 1st half turning the ball over 3 straight times and letting McM get back into it.  That was huge giving them momentum to go into the 2nd half.  The usual guys that come off the bench and contribute really didn't do so for most of the game.

finnman you are right about the bad call, but that wasn't the only one.  There were so many going both ways that those refs just should never be allowed to do college basketball.  But at least they were consistent on that foul on Rommel because they called that same kind of foul on Zinser on the other end to foul him out. 

Tough loss for the Yellow Jackets but they  will bounce back and still have a 1.5 game lead over McM.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on February 10, 2006, 05:37:21 PM
Congrats to the Lobos,

Anytime you take care of HSU at their place is great!!!
Keep playing with energy, smarts and lots of heart and everything will take care of itself.

Go Lobos!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McMHasBeen on February 10, 2006, 08:16:25 PM
Mcmurry looked good last nite.  The refs were horrible, they are like that all around he country these days. In every sport. I thought the coaches did a good job of not trapping for a while in the second half, then trapping further in the backcourt in the second half. I really thought the gamed turned when Alvin Stevens ran the point.  He really attacked the lane well. It will be interesting how HPU will bounce back from this.  Mcm is gaining on them and seems to be picking up steam.

As far as Johnson goes, he is a good player. However, McM allowed him to get it going early in the game. He had 21 by halftime. Once they began to back off and play the drive, he slowed down a lot. He probably got 8 or 10 of his 14 second half points on the left baseline after a press. I dont think he can score that high on a consistent basis for 3 games in a row in the tournament. I honestly think Cedric Isom is a better player. Not as athletic but a better playaer all-around.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 04:23:23 PM
Media Timeout...McM 21 SRSU 5.  14:52 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 04:37:37 PM
McM  32 ,  SRSU 9; 9:53 left in the half.

McM  FG % 57,   SRSU   23%;   McM  13 rebs, SRSU  7 rebs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 04:54:33 PM
McM 55, SRSU 36. Half.  SRSU cut into a 29 point McM lead in the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 11, 2006, 05:26:04 PM
Ralph:

Keep me posted, I'm out of town...also any updates on the HPU/HSU score?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 11, 2006, 05:50:38 PM
HSU wins!

Great win for the Cowboys!!!

84---HSU

70---HPU

....................................................

HSU Pickelman  28 points

HPU Johnson  20 points

As they say..."on any given day..."
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 11, 2006, 06:01:32 PM
Let's go Lobos...after the Indians just wipped you...I'm now pulling for you.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 06:07:26 PM
Stats for SRSU:

S. Hooper 15; Escobar 18; Acosta 16; Ely 11.

FG 31-62; 3FG's 7-23; FT 12-20; Rebs 8 off + 26 def = 34 total; TO 29; Steals 12.

McM--

Brashears 24; Raymond 18; Colina 15pts and 8 assists; Stephens 15; Bryant 13; Mirabal 10 pts.

FG 43-81; 3FG 10-28; FT 14-25; Rebs 19 off + 28 def + 4 deadball = 51; Assists 27; Turnovers 22; Steals 18.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 06:19:02 PM
C'mon Lobos!  The Lobos don't let anyone come into "Pete P" without knowing that they are in for the hardest road trip in Conference!

Go Lobos!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:34:34 PM
Tough afternoon for the Yellow Jackets...They missed sooo many shots that just rolled around the rim and out.  Then hurt themselves on the free throw line. 

They need to kick this slump and go into Alpine and play a solid game.

Good thing is even if they lose that game, they will still be tied going into two home games and McM will have two road games at two tough places CUA and UMHB.  It looks like this race will come down to the wire.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 09:03:28 PM
dballa, we gotta real race for the ASC-West! ;)

We can't even begin to figure out who will host!

SRSU is still mathematically left in the race!  They have to win all three games at home next week and get some help with HSU, but that Monday night game should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 09:05:44 PM
We definitely do.  If both HPU and McMurry slip UMHB is right back in it. 

I don't think HPU will lose at home against Schreiner or TLU but it would sure be nice to get that win on the road against SRSU to give themselves some breathing room.

Oh and Ralph what i posted on the women's site, I did find the ASC baseball board.  Just had to search in a different region :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 09:10:04 PM
ASC Baseball fans!

We are in the West Region for baseball!

Join dballa and me!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 11, 2006, 09:14:59 PM
Another close game in Clarksville -- Ozarks 76, UTD 74.  

Ozarks held a 39-37 lead at halftime, then UTD built a lead pretty quickly at the start of the second half to lead by 7 with about 14 minutes to go.  The Eagles got back into the game, though, with some 3-point shots, and tied the game at 55 with about 11:30 to play. From that point on, it was close, pretty much trading baskets.  With about 6 minutes to go, UTD missed a shot and Jake Sibley hit a 3-pointer to give Ozarks the lead 64-61 and the advantage of UTD now having to answer every shot.  With two minutes to play, though, Ozarks fouled twice under the UTD basket and Milson hit two FTs to tie the game at 71.  That led to what was, IMHO, the most important play of the game for Ozarks -- they had sort of bungled the ball down under their own basket, but Brad Johnson came sliding in on his knees to keep the ball in play, leading to a foul that let David Hamilton hit two FTs to give the Eagles the lead again.

I guess I need to make a long story short.  With 22 seconds to play, Hamilton hit the front end of a 1-and-1 to put Ozarks up 76-74.  UTD had a chance at a 3-pointer, missed, got the rebound, but missed again.  

Both teams had 4 men in double figures.  For UTD:  Bush, 21; Salinas, 17; Swafford, 16; and Milson 13.  For Ozarks:  Kareem, 17; Hamilton, 12; McCall and Sibley, 11 each.

It was Senior Day -- gosh, we'll miss those guys!  I hope they get to keep playing for a good while yet!!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2006, 02:25:31 PM
Ralph and I'm correct in saying even if HPU loses their game in Alpine on Monday and they win their last 2 home games they are hosting?

If they finished like that and McM won out they would be tied.  Head to head they split and against division opponents they both would have split games.  Then point differential HPU would have the edge since they won by 22 at home and McM won by 19 at their place.

Is that a correct statement or is something else factored in before that with the ASC tiebreaker?  I read it but wasn't sure if it was just division records or if it was point differential between division opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2006, 03:59:22 PM
Does SRSU broadcast their games on the internet? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
dballa, point differential "maxes out" at 10 points.  (Why run up a score?  Keep it double-digits.  That is convinicing enough.  In fact for football, I wish it maxed at 17 points instead of 21.)

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf

I think it becomes a coin flip.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on February 12, 2006, 04:57:45 PM
Wut time is the game on Monday? Will it be broadcasted over the internet?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2006, 05:09:27 PM
The women's game starts at 4pm and the guys start at 6pm.  I don't think HPU will have a radio crew there but SRSU should be on the air.  I just don't know if it's on the internet or not. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 12, 2006, 07:02:28 PM
SRSU does not broadcast games on the internet nor do they use Gametracker...I wish they would start that soon!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2006, 07:05:11 PM
Thanks for the info...would be nice if they did....will you be there in person or listening to it and be able to give reports?  The women's game should be won by HPU but the guys game should be very entertaining.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Lone Wolf on February 12, 2006, 07:40:36 PM
dballa, I have the same question about HSU and SRSU. Which team owns the tie breaker?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2006, 08:27:23 PM
Lone wolf, welcome aboard!

As I look at the records,

and assume that SRSU wins out this week,

and HSU loses to UMHB, who is fighting for a higher seed and loses to CUA in what will be probably Senior Day at CUA,

then SRSU has the tie-breaker over HSU for having the better record against UMHB, the highest ranked team in which there is a difference. ;)

But Lobos, ya gotta beat HPU tomorrow night!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 12, 2006, 09:03:46 PM
dballa,

I will be at the game, so I will not be updating....I will however post the final score when I get back home (30 minutes away).

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 12, 2006, 11:11:13 PM
sulrosslobos, thanks i'll be looking forward to it.  Unless someone that lives there beats you to it or is able to update it on here throughout.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on February 13, 2006, 01:36:22 PM
Maybe this is a stupid question, but isn' Dallas Houston bringing the game back to Brownwood? Doesn't HPU put their games on TSN?

I am the biggest fan of anyone that plays hpu (and beats them). There should be a rule that outlaws playing the conference tournament in that dungeon in Brownwood. Go Sul Ross!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 01:56:37 PM
Yes HPU broadcasts on TSRN but they aren't making the trip to Alpine today for the games.  The next broadcasts will be Thursday and Saturday, two home games for HPU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 02:03:15 PM
Ralph it should be interesting to see how McMurry plays on the road this last weekend.  So far this year in conference they are 4-5 on the road and in those 4 wins they've won by a combined 14 pts. 

Belton will be a wild and crazy place for them to go into on that last game.  I think this is the only time i've ever had myself rooting for them to win :)

GO JACKETS!!! and GO CRU!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on February 13, 2006, 05:52:34 PM
Dballa,

Have they paid the light bill in Brownwood Coliseum lately? Last time I was there, you could not make a half court pass, because it got too dark to see the other side of the court. Secondly, the wind currents throw off a deep 3-pointer and watch out for the pigeons... I guess anything to help the Hillbillies.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 06:00:45 PM
The darkness is just from the HPU men shooting the lights out in the place and the cold winds are probably from your boys shooting percentage being below freezing. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on February 13, 2006, 06:02:44 PM
Nice comeback. And the pigeons? Are they dinner for the Hillbillies?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 06:05:36 PM
yeah they are cooked in the hospitality room for the visiting team while the home team gets steak
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2006, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: Spirit_of_66 on February 13, 2006, 05:52:34 PM
Dballa,

Have they paid the light bill in Brownwood Coliseum lately? Last time I was there, you could not make a half court pass, because it got too dark to see the other side of the court. Secondly, the wind currents throw off a deep 3-pointer and watch out for the pigeons... I guess anything to help the Hillbillies.


One correction there, Spirit...

The doors closed on the Daniel Baker College Hillbillies in 1952!  :'(

That building now hosts the Douglas MacArthur Academy of Freedom.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spirit_of_66 on February 13, 2006, 06:51:17 PM
Actually didn't hpu absorb DBC, at least athleticly? Well anyway, they will always be the hpu hillbillies to me.

Correction: DBC was financially backed by Southwestern University in 1946. Its buildings were taken over by hpu in 1952.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 13, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
Any score from Alpine?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SulrossBBall on February 13, 2006, 09:08:59 PM
SRSU 89 HPU 82
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 09:10:28 PM
was that a final? 

Figured the way they played in Abilene this weekend they would be in trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SulrossBBall on February 13, 2006, 09:14:06 PM
Yeah thats the final....srsu was up 43-35 at halftime and got up i think around 12 to 13 with about 5 minutes left and hpu cut it to 2 with 30 seconds left but srsu was able to hit their free throws to end it
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 09:14:51 PM
Thanks for the info even as depressing as it is to hear :)

Looks like it's going down to the wire...i guess like all races should be.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 13, 2006, 09:28:51 PM
HSU has to win one of their remaining two games to get into the playoffs.

So, SRSU is still in the running! :o

Go Cowboys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2006, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: dsc on February 13, 2006, 09:28:51 PM
HSU has to win one of their remaining two games to get into the playoffs.

So, SRSU is still in the running! :o

Go Cowboys!

dsc, the exciting thing about this weekend is that UMHB is now only one game behind HPU and McM for a piece of the title.

The CRU can foresee defeating HSU and McM and imagining a crumbling HPU to lose one or both games.  HSU is in the middle of this, needing to win one game.

This is gonna be a great race for the title and the playoffs! :)

Go McM!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 13, 2006, 10:12:34 PM
Yeah, Ralph...

I sure wish the HSU games were "home" games.  I had forgotten that UMHB would have such incentive to win! :(


Regardless of who gets in...the playoffs should be great this year!

Who will host the tournament, Ralph?  Can it end in a three-way tie?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2006, 10:31:36 PM
dsc, here are the tie breaker formulae.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2006, 10:49:24 PM
In a three way tie at 16-6 with UMHB McM and HPU,
HPU would host because of the 2-0 record over UMHB and 3-1 among the 3 schools.

HPU and McM at 17-5 goes to the coin-flip.

McM can host if they win both games and HPU loses one game this weekend.

UMHB can host if they tie with McMurry at 16-6 and have the better record vs. a 4th place HSU (and HPU at 15-7).

HSU in a 4-way tie at 15-7 with HPU, UMHB and McM cannot host because of the record of HPU being 5-3 against the 3 other first place teams.  Mathematically, only HSU can get a tie of the conference and not have a chance at hosting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 14, 2006, 02:38:58 PM
I don't see any way of UMHB hosting or HSU.  Those possibilities are possible but so far out there.  With HPU hosting two of the worst teams in the west they will win one, if not both. 

I predicted earlier in the conference that HPU would slide, they are.  Luckily for them it happened when they already have locked themselves in the playoffs.  They may make an early exit out of the tourney.

I think we have McMurry hosting in Abilene and I have no other predicitons.  McMurry hosting will help The Abilene schools, if HSU gets in, to make a good run.  I could easily see HSU or UMHB losing two this weekend.  Where is everyone going to end up? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 14, 2006, 02:56:10 PM
321,

I agree mostly with your analysis.

However, I do think that HSU can at least win one of their two remaining games...even though they are "away."  (Against UMHB and CUA.)  Of course, it may be tough, for UMHB needs to win...and CUA will be tough in their last home game!  (Aren't they good at 3-pointers...?...and HSU has always seemed vulnerable to that...not sure of the stats, but it has "seemed" that way.)  If HSU doesn't win one of those required games, then they won't deserve to be in the playoffs.  We'll see! ;D

Go Cowboys!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 15, 2006, 02:41:20 PM
You are right, HSU doesn't deserve a bid if they lose both, but let's hope that doesn't happen.  I think CUA is a deadly team at home because if they do get hot, and you fall into their style of play, they have a great advantange.  I don't think CUA's style of play is a good one but it will allow you to beat a more talented team, if that team plays your way. 
UMHB needs to win both just to get good momentum going into the playoffs.  McMurry can lose and regroup for the tourney.  HPU really needs to finish well after their last week.  I think SRSU should win two so HSU play hard and get a win!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 15, 2006, 09:37:58 PM
How about this to toss around -- Take all 8 teams to the conference tourney like the old Southwest Conference.   All teams would still be playing for something
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 16, 2006, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 15, 2006, 09:37:58 PM
How about this to toss around -- Take all 8 teams to the conference tourney like the old Southwest Conference.   All teams would still be playing for something

You mean all 16 teams? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 16, 2006, 09:07:22 AM
Yes BfB  -- sorry ,  eight from the west and eight from the east
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 16, 2006, 12:13:20 PM
I don't think an all team conference tourney would be bad.
I'm not sure how many schools, especially the ones that aren't successful, would want to spend the money or allow the missed class time for a tournament that would take 4 days.  It would be good though, everyone, no matter their season ending ranking, would have a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:42:30 PM
HPU-12 TLU-3 16:00
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:52:20 PM
HPU-24 TLU-16 9:50 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 09:02:01 PM
HPU-33 TLU 22 3:55
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 09:02:18 PM
Any MCM or HSU scores?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 16, 2006, 09:11:52 PM
6:05 to go in the first half and it's ETBU 38, Ozarks 17. 

You know, this Ozarks team makes me think of the little girl with the curl -- when they're good, they're very good, but when they're bad, they're HORRID!!!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 16, 2006, 09:13:10 PM
McM leading 35-14 with about 7 minutes to go in the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 09:35:37 PM
HPU-45 TLU-39 15:00 to go
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 16, 2006, 09:38:04 PM
MC 45
UTD 25

15 minutes to go....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 09:38:30 PM
McM 43, CUA 36.  McM has blown a 22 point lead.  It was 38-16 at  6:38.

CUA outscored McM by 20-5. in the last 6:38.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 16, 2006, 09:39:16 PM
32-20   UMHB over HSU at halftime
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 09:41:19 PM
Hoopstar, I saw the first half of the MC-UTD game.

The Chocs looks very good tonight.

They are about 10 deep.  Tyler Winford appeared to be playing with the second wave.

Timothy Broomfield is impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 16, 2006, 09:43:58 PM
46-40   SRSU over Schreiner at Half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 09:46:45 PM
HPU-56 TLU-47 9:37 left in the 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 09:48:22 PM
Ralph is that a halftime score?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 16, 2006, 09:52:29 PM
Mc 59
UTD 39

8 minutes now
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 16, 2006, 09:53:57 PM
any updates on HPU vs. TLU, McM vs. CUA, and UMHB vs. HSU?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 09:56:02 PM
HPU-65 TLU-58 4:32 LEFT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 10:02:16 PM
HPU-69 TLU-65 1:39 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:03:14 PM
McM by 10 with 15:00 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:04:31 PM
McM  58, CUA 50; 14:36.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 10:04:49 PM
HPU-71 TLU-65 :44 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 10:08:04 PM
HPU-74 TLU-66 :12 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 10:10:51 PM
HPU-74 TLU-66 Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:11:45 PM
11:35, McM 71 CUA 59.

The CUA gym is very hot and humid.  The cold front that is blowing thru Dallas has not made it to Austin.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:20:48 PM
McM 77, CUA 66.  8:28 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:23:45 PM
McM  84-70 6:23
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 16, 2006, 10:24:29 PM
I just found out that one of the freshmen from the Ozarks' team, Josh Leverton, and another student were killed this afternoon in a car accident.  Josh's twin brother is also on the basketball team and has apparently gone home to be with his family.  

I take back the "horrid" comment -- I'm sure the guys have other things on their mind tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 16, 2006, 10:30:28 PM
Sul Ross wins 95-86 over Schreiner
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:31:36 PM
Oh no!!!!  Enough!!! No More!!!!  That is three!

Aerie, our prayers go out to the Levertons and all members of the Ozarks Community. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 16, 2006, 10:34:05 PM
UMHB defeats HSU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 16, 2006, 10:36:17 PM
The final on the game was ETBU 87, Ozarks 66.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:37:53 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 16, 2006, 10:30:28 PM
Sul Ross wins 95-86 over Schreiner

Sul Ross is still in the running!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:46:53 PM
McM 114, CUA 91.  Final.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 10:53:54 PM
Howard Payne            16 5      16 6     16  6
McMurry                      16 5      16 5     17 7 
Mary Hardin-Baylor     15 6      16 6      15 8 
Hardin-Simmons          13 8      14 8     14 9 
Sul Ross State             12 9      12 9     11 12 
Texas Lutheran            6 15       6 15     7 15 
Concordia-Austin          4 17       4 17     5 17 
Schreiner                      4 17       4 17     4 18
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 16, 2006, 11:00:15 PM
Did you here that Ralph...Holmes says he thinks they hold the tiebreaker if they win by 2 points.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 16, 2006, 11:05:00 PM
I also thought they said during the broadcast that HSU holds the tiebreaker if they tie with SRSU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 16, 2006, 11:12:23 PM
Sul Ross split with HPU, McM and UMHB.  HSU split with HPU, McM but lost both to UMHB.

Sul Ross owns that tie breaker.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 16, 2006, 11:13:58 PM
That makes sense...they probably had their info wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 16, 2006, 11:15:37 PM
As far as McM owning the tiebreaker I don't know how far down they take it. 

I thought it was head to head records, then divisional records starting with the highest seed, then point spread among the two tied teams.  I didn't think they went further and did point spread down the division.  I thought after the point spread between the tied teams it went to the coin flip. 

I could be wrong on that though.

This post is number 777.  Lucky numbers Go Jackets!!! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 11:15:46 PM
Yes, I did!  That is great! :)

As I read the by-laws, I see that SRSU would have the tie-breaker if HSU loses to CUA and SRSU beats TLU.

That is what I don't understand about the HSU-SRSU situation.

Here are the criteria:

1) Head-to-head: season split.

2) Season series beginning with the highest seed in descending order

Vs McM:    HSU is 1-1; SRSU is 1-1
Vs HPU:    HSU is 1-1; SRSU is 1-1
Vs UMHB:  HSU is 0-2; SRSU is 1-1.


ASC Tie-breaker (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 16, 2006, 11:19:38 PM
Mighty Chocs roll again 77-56 over UT-Dallas.  This team is really playing well @ the right time of the year.  But then again they have played great all year. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mark23 on February 17, 2006, 01:29:34 AM
WHAT IS THE REAL DEAL WITH THE TIEBREAKER...WHO HOLDS THE TIEBREAKER
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 04:45:04 AM
Mark, we will find out today, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 10:03:35 AM
According to ASC officials it does look like McMurry would host if they win on Saturday.  Since the head to head between McM and HPU is a tie and the division records are a tie, it then does go to the point differential against UMHB.  Since HPU won by a total of 10 points and McM beat UMHB by more than 10 pts which the cap is 10 then thats a tie.  So if McM wins Saturday they break that tie breaker.

GO JACKETS AND GO CRU!!!   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 01:52:02 PM
As an ASC fan, who is 1/32nd Mississippi Choctaw (on my mother's side), congratulations! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 08:08:14 PM
ASC Men's Tourney Bracket (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60216menbasketball-weekly.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: looser on February 17, 2006, 11:25:30 PM
I want some conference tourney predictions and asc conference postseason award predictions! What a great  tourney it will be this year! How about hpu its been like 10 or 11 years!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 08:43:20 AM
As much I would like for McMurry to slam-dunk the conference every year, it is also very improtant to have a really tough conference if we are going to be respected on a national basis.

If HPU gets a share of the title, then we will have had 4 teams raise banners in their gyms in this decade:  HPU, HSU, McM and SRSU.

Good luck to everyone and travel safely.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 18, 2006, 09:02:18 AM
Anybody going to the HSU vs. CUA game? 

Could someone please text the messages to me on my cell phone and I will do the same for the SRSU game?  Please private message me to exchange numbers.

Thank you
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 04:08:49 PM
McM was called for a technical foul,  dunking in the pre-game warmups.

UMHB 2-0.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 04:23:46 PM
HPU-6 SU-5 14:31 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 04:28:02 PM
UMHB 24 McM 13 about 10:00 to go in the half.  We are settling for a lot of 3's...the announcers said the Indians look tired...I hope they wake up and catch their second wind.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 04:42:08 PM
HPU-30 SU-17 4:49 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 04:45:17 PM
I have not heard Bryson's name called today for McM...what is the deal...does anyone know.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 04:46:13 PM
finnman

Can you give me an update on the score?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 04:47:18 PM
UMHB 41, McM 29.  1:54 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 04:50:22 PM
My question was anwered...he is sitting on the end of the bench and the announcers said they wondered why he was not in the game.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 04:52:07 PM
HPU-37 SU-21 Half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 04:54:21 PM
UMHB 46, McM 34.  A very unimpressive performance by McMurry!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 04:55:05 PM
Wow!  I thought McM would play alot more inspired with a chance to host the tourney...Maybe we can figure out a way rally in the second half.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 04:58:09 PM
Any HSU updates?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 04:58:44 PM
I wonder if we are trying to trap early again on the press...that seems to kill us.  I hope we try to go to that trap at half court again, and play hard half court defense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 05:07:33 PM
From the local HSU broadcast on Abilene radio:

CUA 43  HSU 29 at halftime
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 05:13:04 PM
HPU-41 SU-28 16:11 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 05:16:27 PM
Any updates?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 05:22:59 PM
UMHB 54 McM 34...the Indians have yet to score with 16 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 05:34:16 PM
UMHB 69 McM 43 with 11 minutes to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 05:36:00 PM
HPU-67 SU-47 4:30 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 05:39:35 PM
Seth, McM has not scored in the opening 4 minutes in the second half.

UMHB leads by 20, 54-34.

McMurry has just quit!   16:10 remaining and they have not scored in the half!

This is a real character test!  You have a chance to host the tourney and win a division title and you have this performance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 05:41:18 PM
Thanks for the update Ralph.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 05:41:37 PM
Well, we had our chances...just two inconsistent on the road this year.  I thought the only way we could win the tourney is if we hosted.  

I'll go ahead and say it...if MC doesn't win the tourney I'll be very suprised...either way they deserve to advance to the postseason because of the way they have played all year.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 05:42:23 PM
Any updated score?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Sethhpu

The game is over...we have put in the subs and are saving the equipment.   UMHB 76 McM 47 with a few minutes to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 05:46:37 PM
Final

HPU-80 SU-62

WEST CHAMPIONS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 05:48:38 PM
OK, I don't remember, who will be the 2nd and 3rd seeds since McM and UMHB will be tied.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 05:50:47 PM
UMHB 83 McM 55,  less than 5 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 06:00:15 PM
Any HSU scores?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 06:02:24 PM
UMHB 95 McM 70. Final

Congratulations to the Yellow Jackets!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 06:15:23 PM
Final from the HSU CUA game:

CUA 71  HSU 70

The radio announcers said that Jean and Peters were trying to get the ball to go in at the last minute, with both trying to tip it in, but it rolled out at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 06:19:17 PM
Were the foul calls as bad as the radio announcers indicated for the McM-UMHB game?  I heard McM was called for 4 or 5 times as many fouls as UMHB, not to mention a technical before the game even started -- just as happened to HSU on the same court two days ago.  How can refs call a foul before a game even starts, two games running, and both against the opposing team?  Is this impartial officiating?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 18, 2006, 06:19:36 PM
WAY TO GO JACKETS!!! Bring em all to B-town.


Any scores from SRSU??? That game is huge...HSU is out if SRSU wins.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 06:27:31 PM
McMfan, I understand that a McMurry player "dunked" the basketball in the pre-game warm-ups.

That constitutes a technical foul!

>:(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 18, 2006, 06:27:53 PM
ETBU downs AC, and word is that LETU upset Ozarks, which would make ETBU the #2 seed.  Who will be 2nd and 3rd out West?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 18, 2006, 06:29:09 PM
MC 85
UTT 73

final... 13 chocs scored
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 18, 2006, 06:29:24 PM
Ozarks loses to LeT, 76-64.  And ETBU won over Austin (don't know the score).  So that makes a tie for second -- who gets the 2nd seed and who is 3rd?

A rather lackluster performance for the Eagles -- seems like there were a LOT of steals by LeT.  They had 3 people in double figures:  Evers, 20; Burnett, 16, and Bankett (?), 11 (?).  Pretty much all Ozarks had was Habeeb Kareem, 27 points on 11-13 shooting from the field and 5 of 5 from the line.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 06:30:03 PM
cp, thanks for the word!

1)  HPU
2)  McM
3)  UMHB
4)  If SRSU wins, they are in, by virture of a better head-to-head record against #3 seed UMHB. (1-1 for SRSU vs. 0-2 for HSU).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 18, 2006, 06:38:39 PM
OK, I see cp's message.  Sorry I didn't look before. 

It's a little hard to be philosophical about it all at this point, but I guess it makes for an exciting end to the season for everything to be up in the air until the last day.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SulrossBBall on February 18, 2006, 06:55:26 PM
Sul Ross wins by about 10...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 18, 2006, 06:56:19 PM
Thanks for the report...show a little more excitement though :) your boys are in and HSU is out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 18, 2006, 07:11:12 PM
Yes, congradulations to Sully, they should be exited until they play mc on friday, the fun will end there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 07:34:19 PM
Quote from: hoopstar on February 18, 2006, 07:11:12 PM
Yes, congradulations to Sully, they should be exited until they play mc on friday, the fun will end there.

:D :D :D :D :D

"exited" ... If they are "exited" before they play MissColl, will they be allowed back into the tournament on Friday when they play Miss Coll?

Actually, we fans on the West are counting on MissColl to be "exited" by SRSU!

:D :D :D :D :D

Travel safely,  Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 08:04:18 PM
Let me try to outline the brackets.

East:

1) Miss College (21-1)

2) ETBU  (14-8)  Head to head w/ UOz split: UT-D 1-1; UT-T 1-1; LaColl 2-0; LeTU 2-0.

3) UOzarks  (14-8) Head to head w/ ETBU split; UT-D 1-1; UT-T 2-0; LaColl 2-0; LeTU 1-1.

4) UT-Dallas (11-11)


West

1)  HPU (17-5)

2)  McM  (16-6)  Head-to-head with UMHB split;  HPU 1-1

3) UMHB (16-6) Head-to-head with McM split; HPU 0-2

4) SRSU (13-9)  Head-to-head with HSU split; McM 1-1; UMHB 1-1.

5) HSU  (13-9)  Head-to-head with SRSU split; McM 1-1; UMHB 0-2.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2006, 10:37:45 AM
Men's bracket and times are posted:

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60219menbasketball-ascchampionship-bracket.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on February 19, 2006, 09:47:22 PM
Any predictions for player of the year and fist and second team all west
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on February 20, 2006, 11:26:01 AM
Tourney predictions

MC over SRSU
MCM over OZARKS


UMHB over ETBU
HPU over UTD


MC over MCM
UMHB over HPU


championship
UMHB over MC

GO CRU! you proved u can Run and Gun vs Mcmurry...i am hoping for a similar outcome vs ETBU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McMHasBeen on February 20, 2006, 12:29:09 PM
QuoteMcMurry has just quit!   16:10 remaining and they have not scored in the half!

This is a real character test!  You have a chance to host the tourney and win a division title and you have this performance


Mr. Turner, I understand your perception of the Indians play on Saturday. However, a lot of fans dont realize the pressure that is placed on these players on a daily basis.  I mean a DAILY basis. The road can be a killer if time is not managed correctly. Even though the players are 18, 19, or in the twenties, they are still humans.  From day 1 until even now they work extremely, extremely hard in practice, then have an abnormally hard shootaround, and culminate that with a game in which they press every possession on defense and push every possession on offense. With only having 12 players now, its tough to do that.  Then the constant pressure of being yelled at when things go bad at any given moment, rather it be a specific possession or an entire game, is a lot to deal with.  SOMEBODY has to be a calming presence out on the court or on the sideline. But that doesnt happen, it was the same scenario during the HSU game.  We had control of the game and things started to turn a little bit and everybody (including the coaches) got so high strung that we couldnt concentrate.  Now I am not excusing us for losing the game the way we did nor am Im criticizing the coaching.  All Im saying is that, as fans, have to consider all aspects.  Just like you cant play off pure emotions, you cant coach that way either.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2006, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: McMHasBeen on February 20, 2006, 12:29:09 PM
QuoteMcMurry has just quit!   16:10 remaining and they have not scored in the half!

This is a real character test!  You have a chance to host the tourney and win a division title and you have this performance


Mr. Turner, I understand your perception of the Indians play on Saturday. However, a lot of fans dont realize the pressure that is placed on these players on a daily basis.  I mean a DAILY basis. The road can be a killer if time is not managed correctly. Even though the players are 18, 19, or in the twenties, they are still humans.  From day 1 until even now they work extremely, extremely hard in practice, then have an abnormally hard shootaround, and culminate that with a game in which they press every possession on defense and push every possession on offense. With only having 12 players now, its tough to do that.  Then the constant pressure of being yelled at when things go bad at any given moment, rather it be a specific possession or an entire game, is a lot to deal with.  SOMEBODY has to be a calming presence out on the court or on the sideline. But that doesnt happen, it was the same scenario during the HSU game.  We had control of the game and things started to turn a little bit and everybody (including the coaches) got so high strung that we couldnt concentrate.  Now I am not excusing us for losing the game the way we did nor am Im criticizing the coaching.  All Im saying is that, as fans, have to consider all aspects.  Just like you cant play off pure emotions, you cant coach that way either.

Thanks for the very seriously considered and well-written post. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 20, 2006, 02:14:18 PM
Is this the best team mc has had since they have been in the asc?  I remember watching the teams of the late 90's and 00-02 and they were pretty good. This team seems to have the best record up to this point. Are they this dominant or is the rest of the conference just in a down year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 20, 2006, 03:42:21 PM
Went to the CUA vs. HSU game on Saturday.  My Cowboys came out uninspired and try to ralley back.  I was upset and disappointed but if they aren't playing well now, they don't need to be in the tourney.  Sounds like UMHB is playing well and I can't believe what happened to McMurry.  I think it will be a good tourney and I am looking to see UMHB vs. MC in the final.  Have fun this weekend teams and play hard.  I will cry with my Cowboys at home!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 20, 2006, 11:21:27 PM
DITTO, 321...

Truly sorry that HSU didn't make it to the playoffs :'(...but the COWBOYS will ride again! :D

Still looking forward to a good tournament. ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on February 20, 2006, 11:45:10 PM
Was at the CU and HSU game and was very frusterated with the clock lady.  Play had to be stopped about six times because the girl running the clock either forgot to start or stop the clock.  That included the last play of the game with eleven seconds left which gave the tornadoes the chance to see how the cowboys were lined up after the clock wasn't started.  Has this happened to any other teams while they play at CU or was it just this time? Just wondering.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 21, 2006, 09:58:07 AM
The McM-CUA game there were problems with the clock as well, to the point where the McM coaching staff said something.  Also there were problems with keeping score to the extent that I had to say soemthing to our coaching staff so it would be corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 03:04:20 AM
Quote from: McMHasBeen on February 20, 2006, 12:29:09 PM
QuoteMcMurry has just quit!   16:10 remaining and they have not scored in the half!

This is a real character test!  You have a chance to host the tourney and win a division title and you have this performance


Mr. Turner, I understand your perception of the Indians play on Saturday. However, a lot of fans dont realize the pressure that is placed on these players on a daily basis.  I mean a DAILY basis. The road can be a killer if time is not managed correctly. Even though the players are 18, 19, or in the twenties, they are still humans.  From day 1 until even now they work extremely, extremely hard in practice, then have an abnormally hard shootaround, and culminate that with a game in which they press every possession on defense and push every possession on offense. With only having 12 players now, its tough to do that.  Then the constant pressure of being yelled at when things go bad at any given moment, rather it be a specific possession or an entire game, is a lot to deal with.  SOMEBODY has to be a calming presence out on the court or on the sideline. But that doesnt happen, it was the same scenario during the HSU game.  We had control of the game and things started to turn a little bit and everybody (including the coaches) got so high strung that we couldnt concentrate.  Now I am not excusing us for losing the game the way we did nor am Im criticizing the coaching.  All Im saying is that, as fans, have to consider all aspects.  Just like you cant play off pure emotions, you cant coach that way either.

McMhasbeen, I wanted to acknowledge that I read the post.  I have taken a day to consider my reply.

We who read these boards enjoy athletics probably more than any other hobby.  We are competitive and judge our achievements in competitive terms.  When we are/were in intercollegiate or other competitive leagues, we have kept score and have tried to get better.  We have wanted to succeed.

There are about 15 million Americans who are college-aged.  Less than 50,000 men and women play intercollegiate basketball in D1, D2, D3 and the NAIA and NCCAA.  These are a very select group on people; much less than one-half of one per cent.  Shall we say very talented?

Those who come out for intercollegiate athletics are committing themselves to the institution, to their coaches,  and to their teammates to become the very best they can be.  The coaches at McMurry take this commitment to become better athletes, students, and most importantly human beings, very seriously.  They also are among the most successful coaches in Divison III.  Their reasons for their exhortations to athletes to become better are because they recognized talent that they know can win.  (See the banners hanging in Kimbrell.)  Coach Holmes and Coach Van do this out of a deep collegial love of the development of the man who is also a talented individual.  They never demean the individual.  I do know they thoroughly dislike a talented individual not honing their talents, their performance, and their judgment to a sharper edge.

My comment that day was that this team was in control to hang a banner on the wall at Kimbrell, a very special achievement!  That special opportunity was focused on 40 minutes of one's life that will never be there again.  The opportunity passed them by.

The critical thing that we athletes learn is how we handle pressure.  The NCAA boasts in the TV commercial that "many athletes are turning pro in life."  In my life, I have had the opportunity to be taught by the John Wooden's, the George Thompson's, the Coach K's, the Hank Iba's, and the Nolan Richardson's in my field.  Some of these persons have subsequently become my friends as I have grown in excellence.

However, the journey did not come
-- without the intense pressure to improve to levels that I could not imagine, but others could see in me, 
-- without the yelling/exhortation to get the job done when we were short-handed,
-- and without the intense emotion that something precious might be lost if I failed.

I spoke about "passion" earlier in the season.  You must have that "passion" to excel!

In a conference in which 13 of the 16 schools are faith-based, I will frame the argument this way.  Those student-athleties who compete at McMurry, the ASC and the NCAA are very talented...top one-half of one per cent!  The "one talent" individuals don't even show up.  They quit a long time ago.  The two talent individuals are okay, but they are not in this game.   ( I can talk to them in a different venue.)  I am talking to the five talent players!

The sin that I see is the five talent player who will not see that he/she is not using all five of his/her talents, and not submitting to testing fire which consumes the dross (look up that word), or the clay that does not yield to the master potter.

I believe in McMurry.  I am their fan; men and women.  I want to see how you athletes can learn to use that passion to get things out of yourselves that your coaches and professors know is there, but you haven't dared to exert, to ache physcially and mentally, to be pushed to that level of success.  Your faculty at McMurry will take you farther than you can imagine.  You just have to keep producing what they ask and finding more success when you thought there was nothing left!

The tourney is this weekend.  The seniors are nearing the end of their careers.  If you don't allow yourself to be pushed harder than you can imagine, you will never understand how far you can go.  (Your reach should always exceed your grasp!)

Good luck and travel safely!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 22, 2006, 08:03:31 AM
McMHasBeen and Ralph,

Thanks for sharing two of the best postings I have read on these boards.  Each from your own perspective and both equally well stated.

Thanks for your insight...I applaud both of you!!!  (And all the ASC student/athletes, as well...thanks for your efforts!)

And I don't want to forget the coaches, either. 

Ralph, thank goodness...we all have role models to emulate and learn from...whether it be a coach, professor, parent, a military drill instructor, a sibling, friend, boss, pastor, etc...the list is endless!  But in the final analysis, what's in will out!

Let's have a great ASC tournament...play hard, good luck to all, stay focused...and travel safely!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 22, 2006, 09:09:44 AM
Ralph,  I was caught off guard by the comment "13 of the 16 schools are faith- based"    I guess the three that are not "faith-based" are UT Tylyer, UT Dallas and Sul Ross.  You are not knocking those instituions are you?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 09:58:11 AM
jmnaseum, I am not, but there is a difference in the nature and role of a faith in Jesus Christ at McMurry, HSU, HPU, et al.  and in the boardrooms and classrooms of UT-D.

There may be Christians at those institutions, but if you read the web sites and the mission and vision statements of the respective state instituions, you do not see the mention of Christ or Christian.

I was not going to "speak" in an official capacity for them.  Christians at those institutions would have "eyes that see", though. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 22, 2006, 03:20:24 PM
Surely you don't think just because "Christ" is listed or not listed in the vision or mission statement ,that the schools or better or worse than one another. 

Hasn't there already been a discussion about the "party" schools in Abilene and Brownwood?

Hopefully all of the students at all of the ASC institutions are getting life lessons and a good education! (and a great experience with athletics)

In the conference tourney -- may the bset team win, (private or state : faith-based or hedonistic  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 04:51:29 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 22, 2006, 03:20:24 PM
Surely you don't think just because "Christ" is listed or not listed in the vision or mission statement ,that the schools or better or worse than one another. 
You are missing the point of the distinction.

An overtly Christian reference is more readily accepted at those institutions than at a state school, and I know whereof I speak! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on February 22, 2006, 05:55:39 PM
I have always looked at different colleges as being Public / State Supported vs. Private. The idea of Religious affiliation never really affected my decision. I belong to the Church of Christ but that doesn't mean I would not have attended a Methodist, Baptist or Lutheran institution.

Besides, we're faith based here at Sul Ross. We all have faith that the Lobos will give it all they got this week against a tough MC team.

The Lobo team playing now is better and more experienced than the one Mississippi College played the first week of the year.

Go Lobos!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 07:56:41 PM
Aw shucks, SRLobo51!

You don't know how many ASC fans wish that you had gotten a basketball scholarship to Abilene Christian! :D ;D 8)

As an anti-Mississippi College fan, SRSU is my choice for a first round opponent in the tourney.

Good luck and beat the Chocs! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 22, 2006, 09:22:41 PM
SRLobo51 -- Don't private schools receive state money?  I think they do.
Ralph -- as you have provided us with an overtly Christian attitude, is it not bad that you are "anti" anything? ;)

Who are you picking SR51?  Ralph?

I am going with Mississippi
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 22, 2006, 09:45:29 PM
Not a chance Ralph.  MC is by far the best team in this conference and there is no way Sul Ross or your less than average Indians beat the Chocs.

Say what you want but you know it just isn't going to happen.

Chocs will roll to ASC title!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2006, 10:03:58 PM
The ASC has a story about the Ozarks player killed last week at
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60220obit.htm
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2006, 10:40:15 PM
Miss Coll did look good at UT-Dallas the other night!

Travel safely!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 22, 2006, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 22, 2006, 09:22:41 PM
SRLobo51 -- Don't private schools receive state money?  I think they do.

I don't know how it is in the other states in the conference, but in Arkansas, private schools don't receive state money.  There are some special programs on campus that are funded by federal grants (like the Student Support Services program), but the rest of the budget has to come from tuition or fund-raising.  Thank God for angels like Helen Walton (just gave Ozarks a BIG gift).

Our guys left for Brownwood this afternoon after the memorial service for Josh and Trevor this morning.  I won't make any predictions, but I will say I hope there isn't a 30-point difference in the score this time -- unless it is in the other direction!!   :D

I'm looking forward to following everybody through the tournament.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 22, 2006, 11:02:34 PM
aerie head, don't worry McMurry doesn't play that well away from their home floor and definitely not in Brownwood.  You will most likely have some local fans rooting for you and against McMurry :)  Although I know they'll bring a few from Abilene themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 22, 2006, 11:06:33 PM
Ralph,

You obviously have followed ASC basketball closely for some time now and I would like to know what you think of MC on a national scale.  How do they compare to some of the other national powers this year? Now that you have seen the Chocs in person, what are thoughts?

I have seen them a couple of times and I was very impressed.  As I have stated before I think they are better than the teams I was on between 97-01.

Thanks, and good luck to McM (even though it pains me to say that  ;D)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2006, 11:14:41 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 22, 2006, 09:22:41 PM
SRLobo51 -- Don't private schools receive state money?  I think they do.

Nope, private schools don't receive state money per se, thus the term "private."

Texas does have something called a "Tuition Equalization Grant (http://www.collegefortexans.com/cfbin/tofa2.cfm?ID=6)," which financially needy students can obtain to offset some of the cost of a private education.  The theory is that whether you chose to go to a public or a private school, the state will partially underwrite the costs involved.   So I guess you could call that state funding of private colleges, but it doesn't come with any strings attached (e.g. the state doesn't say you can't have a religious focus/affiliation like it does at state schools).  In my mind, the state is funding the student, not the school, but that might be a distinction others aren't willing to draw.

TEGs helped me get through college; I'm glad to hear they're still around. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 01:42:10 AM
Quote from: t_money on February 22, 2006, 11:06:33 PM
Ralph,

You obviously have followed ASC basketball closely for some time now and I would like to know what you think of MC on a national scale.  How do they compare to some of the other national powers this year? Now that you have seen the Chocs in person, what are thoughts?

I have seen them a couple of times and I was very impressed.  As I have stated before I think they are better than the teams I was on between 97-01.

Thanks, and good luck to McM (even though it pains me to say that  ;D)

t money, if you played on those 97-01 Choc teams then you know quality basketball.  The 2001 MC team just stomped Millsaps!  I am frustrated that our outside shooting on the 2001 McM team went something like 1-19 against William Paterson in the Sweet 16! :-\

This is what I wrote in response to the question about how good MC is.  I just want the ASC to go far in the tourney.  I would really like to see MC get beat by someone (McMurry, I hope) and then have both of us go far into the tourney in opposite brackets!  We have come so close!  If MissColl could host a Sectional (Elite 8 and Sweet 16) at the Golden Dome, then I might be able to tolerate any success that they (MC) had in the tourney!   :D ;D  (Yes, it does pain me to say that, too!  :D ;D :D ;) 8) )


Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2006, 11:43:25 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 20, 2006, 10:15:06 PM
I would be really surprised if Randolph Macon didn't get in.  Right now they only have two teams ahead of them in the rankings (Virginia Wes. obviously getting the AQ).  Don't know much about Miss. Coll., but looks like they were running away with that league, so I wouldn't anticipate an upset there...Trinity as well.  Not sure about them or that conference.  I'm Turner could fill us in on those two teams' chances of running the conference tourney tables.

Old School, I saw the first half of the MissColl-UTDallas game last Saturday.  The Choctaws worked to a quick 15-point lead which they held thruout the last 25 minutes of the game.

MissColl is a Top 10 school.  They drive 540 miles to Brownwood for the conference tourney at Howard Payne.  Their only regular season loss was at Mary Hardin-Baylor (a 1100-mile road trip) on a Decmeber Saturday while the students were still on campus, before a good crowd of 850 (only 2 crowds of 1000 this year and another crowd of 850.)  Also, UMHB had pre-season First Team All Conference Senior point guard Brandon Gatlin, who was lost to grades later at the semester break.

Their average victory margin is 16.6 points per game.  They are 11 players deep, i.e., playing > 10 mpg, and no one >21 mpg.  The 2005 FOTY is in the second line of players.  MissColl has height that they haven't had in previous trips into the Sweet 16.  They seem to be even more athletic than usual.  They press very hard.

I think that Miss College may be sent to the Great Lakes.  I will not make a prediction on MissColl in the Great Lakes Sectional, where every game will be a real road game, where the Chocs fans are out-numbered 20-1.

However, if Miss College is sent to the Atlantic Seaboard or sent to the West Coast, then I will not be surprised if they make the Final Four.

I have not been tooting the Chocs' horn because we ASC teams have only 1 Elite 8 and 3 Sweet 16's in the last 6 years.   That is good, but nothing to boast on these boards!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 23, 2006, 08:32:46 AM
Thanks Ralph :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 23, 2006, 10:39:08 AM
Is there any chance that all the games will be broadcast or have live stats going? Or, is that strictly up to the respective schools playing each game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: leroy on February 23, 2006, 10:43:44 AM
I haven't seen MC in 2 years, as I've been transposed to the east side of the south region.  But I have seen Wooster, Virginia Wesleyan and Maryville this year and from what I know of MC and judging by their record and the comments of this being their best team, the final four may be a realistic goal this year for the ASC.  I would love to see it.  

I thought the ASC was terrible in 2002-03, my first expereince with it.  But with the addition of some great coaches (Sul Ross, HSU, UT-D among others) I think the ASC is on its way to becoming a power.  Got to do something about that 1 AQ though.  

If MC wins the tourney this year it's only 1 team in right?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 23, 2006, 11:14:30 AM
I think the league has a chance to get 2 teams in even if MC wins. One thing working in the Mary-Hardin Baylor and Howard Payne's favor,besides both of them being ranked in the region,  is Trinity has a great chance to host opening round. Since they are in the 500 mile radius, it helps their chances greatly to get in, because the NCAA would rather drive teams in instead of flying them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: leroy on February 23, 2006, 11:17:27 AM
Quote from: hoopstar on February 23, 2006, 11:14:30 AM
I think the league has a chance to get 2 teams in even if MC wins. One thing working in the Mary-Hardin Baylor and Howard Payne's favor,besides both of them being ranked in the region,  is Trinity has a great chance to host opening round. Since they are in the 500 mile radius, it helps their chances greatly to get in, because the NCAA would rather drive teams in instead of flying them.

I think they pick the teams first, then do the mileage assessment thing right?  It would seem really unfair if a team GOT IN the tournament because of location.  I'm not sure it happens the way you describe it?  I hope not.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 23, 2006, 12:50:48 PM
I'm sure if the NCAA can save a dollar on travel they will. My last year at MC they sent us to Millsaps (only a few miles away) and then back to McM for the second round which i'm sure saved them some money. All they are really worried about is the D1 tourney
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on February 23, 2006, 01:30:50 PM
My prediction is that Mississippi will beat Mary Hardin Baylor in the final.  UMHB is playing relly good basketball right now and they will take that into the championship.

Other predictions:
West POY-  Hooper (carried the team when everybody thought they were out of it)
Defensive- Jean (4 blocks a game)

1st team:  hooper- SR
                 jean- HSU
                 Wheeler- HPU
                  k. johnson- HPU
                  McGuire-  HPU

2nd:  Deans- Su
         Oliver- UMHB
         Pickelman- HSU
         Colina-  McM
         Maxwell- CUA

whats everybody else's opinion?
                 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 23, 2006, 02:06:02 PM
as an HPU fan I like your 1st team predictions but I don't think McGuire will be up there on the 1st team.  One of those other guys will jump in there.

Defensive POY I would split that with Jean of HSU and Zinser of HPU(led the conference in steals)
Freshman of the Year to Mcdonald of CUA
Coach of the Year to HPU's Coach Pattillo...picked to not even make the tournament and wins the division.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: leroy on February 23, 2006, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: kid nice on February 23, 2006, 12:50:48 PM
I'm sure if the NCAA can save a dollar on travel they will. My last year at MC they sent us to Millsaps (only a few miles away) and then back to McM for the second round which i'm sure saved them some money. All they are really worried about is the D1 tourney

True, but your missing my point.  Yes, they save a dollar whenever possible- AFTER picking the most qualified teams.  I'm pretty sure distance and money have no bearing on who gets in, it just screws them AFTER they get in.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: leroy on February 23, 2006, 02:10:52 PM
Quote from: mcm_indians on February 23, 2006, 01:30:50 PM
My prediction is that Mississippi will beat Mary Hardin Baylor in the final.  UMHB is playing relly good basketball right now and they will take that into the championship.

Other predictions:
West POY-  Hooper (carried the team when everybody thought they were out of it)
Defensive- Jean (4 blocks a game)

1st team:  hooper- SR
                 jean- HSU
                 Wheeler- HPU
                  k. johnson- HPU
                  McGuire-  HPU

2nd:  Deans- Su
         Oliver- UMHB
         Pickelman- HSU
         Colina-  McM
         Maxwell- CUA

whats everybody else's opinion?
                 

3 HPU on 1st team?  That seems unlikely.  Is Jean ahead of Pickelman?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on February 23, 2006, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 22, 2006, 09:22:41 PM
SRLobo51 -- Don't private schools receive state money?  I think they do.
Ralph -- as you have provided us with an overtly Christian attitude, is it not bad that you are "anti" anything? ;)

Who are you picking SR51?  Ralph?

I am going with Mississippi

I didn't think private school received state money, not anywhere as close to as much as public institutions did anyway, which was one of the major reasons I choose to attend Sul Ross.

As for my pick for tomorrow's game. You know I have to go with my Lobos. My blood will always bleed red and gray. It's the playoffs and for me the only thing records count for is for seeding purposes. Anything can happen when you get to this point. That's why we play the game right! I know coach D will have them ready to play as he has always done.

Safe travel wishes to all the teams and their fans traveling to and from the games this week.

Go Lobos and west division teams!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on February 23, 2006, 04:17:10 PM
HPU did get first place.  I think that hooper wheeler and johnson are locks and the other players are so close to the others on second.  Jean and pickelman could switch, Pickelman was up there in scoring but Jean averaged a double double.  I think one will be on first and the other on second.  Zinser has a valid arguement for defensive player of the year but I think that Jean just switched other teams gameplans because they couldn't really go inside and he was hard to score on.  HPU coach will definetely get coach of the year with Acosta getting newcomer.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mad_chemist on February 23, 2006, 09:22:04 PM
well my pick is gonna have to be MC to win it all.  I am by no means an expert at picking games but..................
I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

How's it going t_money?
kid nice, I played ball with you at MC, but I can't figure out who you are.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 23, 2006, 10:15:21 PM
Chemist,

Not sure who you are?  If you played with kidnice then you played with me.  Any hints?

Go Chocs!!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mad_chemist on February 24, 2006, 09:41:25 AM
yeah t-money here is a good hint for ya,

there was someone else on that team that looked almost exactly like me. and I saw you a couple of times last year at games b/c I was helping Brooks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 24, 2006, 09:43:41 AM
Ralph, do you know if McMurry will have an internet broadcast of the game?  If not, will you be doing updates on this board?  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 24, 2006, 11:09:13 AM
i agree with you leroy, they definately screw some teams after they get in with the pairings.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 11:22:07 AM
There should be a broadcast; they are splitting the broadcast team with one guy going with the women and the other with the men.  Go to

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/athleticstwo.htm

and click on the "listen live" button.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 01:30:01 PM
SRSU.....27
MC.........33

06:41 to go before halftime

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 01:34:08 PM
SRSU.....33
MC.........39

04:41 to go before halftime
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 01:45:29 PM
SRSU.....38
MC.........40

halftime

SRSU is playing well against the #10 in the country
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 01:50:32 PM
Stats:

SRSU:
Hooper - 8 points
Acosta - 6 points
Hardwick - 3 points
Santa Cruz - 8 points
Escobar - 8 points

Rebounds: 12

Lobos are playing well so far...48.3% shooting

MC:

51.9% shooting
Eugene - 12 points

Rebounds: 23
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:53:16 PM
Keep the scores coming!

Go Lobos!  The ASC-West is scarlet and gray today! :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 02:00:45 PM
Great scoring balance from the Lobos!

Keep those updates coming!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 02:15:05 PM
SRSU.....43
MC.........57

13:25 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 02:17:08 PM
I really think the time to play MC would be their first game.  I think Sul Ross has a small advantage for the reason of MC traveling.  West teams are used to that crappy floor and crappy baskets.  I think if MC gets past Sul Ross they will be real tough to beat.  I think getting them first round would be the best time.  
While I was typing I saw the new score.  I guess I was wrong!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 24, 2006, 02:20:49 PM
The way the Chocs are playing I don't know if any time is the best time!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 02:22:32 PM
I agree with that statement.  I am just thinking, if I had to play them, when do I think they could have slip up.  I would think after travel and on a foreign court.  I actually would rather play them in the finals and hope to get an at large bid.  I think that is the only way to get in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 02:26:46 PM
SRSU.....60
MC.........71

8:55 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 02:28:50 PM
Unless Hooper gets on fire, that game might be over!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 24, 2006, 02:34:20 PM
looks like SRSU is keeping it within striking distance. MC needs to put them away or it could be a major slip-up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 02:35:21 PM
SRSU.....64
MC.........85

5:13 to play


SRSU is a totally different team this second half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 02:35:37 PM
Let it get to 5 or 6 points before we call it striking distance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 02:38:14 PM
That is a really good MC team!  Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on February 24, 2006, 02:49:21 PM
SRSU.....72
MC.........91

FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 03:14:06 PM
Good job SRSU.  Wish you could have pulled off the upset for the rest of the teams.  Way to get back into the tourney when everything looked slim for you to make it. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 03:19:44 PM
Has McMurry and Ozarks tipped off?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 04:00:37 PM
Somebody has to have an update by now!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 04:04:28 PM
33-27 McM with 3:31 to go in the half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on February 24, 2006, 04:07:10 PM
thank you, keep us updated!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bugsyMcM on February 24, 2006, 04:16:04 PM
19 sec in half, McM down by 4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 04:17:51 PM
Score at halftime:

McM 40
Ozarks 39

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 24, 2006, 04:55:06 PM
Any updates, I have no sound, and I am out of town.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 05:03:19 PM
Finnman, McMurry up 70-58 with seven to go.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 05:19:04 PM
79-68 McMurry...Two minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 24, 2006, 05:20:06 PM
Thanks, Jungle
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 05:31:30 PM
McMurry  90
Ozarks 77  FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on February 24, 2006, 05:32:26 PM
Good luck to the Indians tomorrow!  It will be tough!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on February 24, 2006, 05:44:36 PM
If by tough youmean impossible....then yes it will be tough.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 24, 2006, 09:32:24 PM
Umhb wins by 1 on a last second free throw, after etbu got a 3 pointer by Cedric to tie it up.  Tough loss for the tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 24, 2006, 10:32:51 PM
HPU wins it over UTD on Kendrick Johnson's banked 3 pointer w/ 2 seconds left.  They were down 1 when he shot it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2006, 11:03:07 PM
ETBU was robbed on that last 2nd foul when UMHB hit their free throw to go ahead.  There was no foul on that play at all.  The UMHB player jumped into the ETBU player who was standing straight up.  In no way should a foul be called in that situation.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2006, 11:05:45 PM
I'm proud of the way HPU fought back to win that game.  UTD made 11 3-pointers to keep themselves in it.  Kendrick Johnson hit 21 of his 23 pts in the 2nd half including the game winner off the glass.

The crowd was awesome tonight and I hope they show up for tomorrow's game and hopefully one more on Sunday.  It's the kind of crowd these teams should be playing in front of all year long.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on February 25, 2006, 03:28:27 PM
MC  up by 9

7:38 left in the first half
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Post by: Big Chief on February 25, 2006, 03:39:35 PM
MC up by 13

3 minutes left.
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Post by: dsc on February 25, 2006, 03:43:39 PM
Who is "MC" playing?

Thanks...
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Post by: Big Chief on February 25, 2006, 03:48:44 PM
McMurry

MC up 9 almost halftime
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Post by: dsc on February 25, 2006, 03:53:13 PM
Big Chief,

Thanks for the updates...

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Post by: Big Chief on February 25, 2006, 03:55:21 PM
Halftime

MC up by 8.

MC led by as a much as 16 at one point.  McM closed the gap to 4 before MC widened the gap again.

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Post by: Big Chief on February 25, 2006, 05:09:51 PM
Final

MC 90
McM 79
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Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 06:04:06 PM
Updates on HPU/UMHB???
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Post by: bcal on February 25, 2006, 06:08:51 PM
McMurry University Men's Basketball, Thanks for a very good season.  18 wins vs 9 losses.  Thank you to the Seniors for their leadership and contributions to your team.  Get your degrees.  After all, thay is why you are at McMurry University in the first place.
We are proud of your efforts.  Continue to be leaders!!

A big thank you to coaches Holmes and Vanlandingham for their love of these players, especially the Seniors, for their effort to build character first in their players, and the style of basketball they coach.  

I know the coaches are already recruiting for next season.  In the McMurry style of play, the system goes 10 deep or more.  A player who comes to McMurry University and makes the team is going to play and win.  He will have an opportunity to obtain a high quality education and grow as a person.  2006 / 2007 basketball is under way

ALACUMBA!!!
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Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 06:20:22 PM
I answered my own question...HPU 29-23 at half over UMHB
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Post by: whitebutterflies on February 25, 2006, 06:26:05 PM
I thought it was a 530 start
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Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 06:29:57 PM
I don't know about that, but I'm listening to it on the internet.  Go to the HPU website.
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Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 07:00:16 PM
HPU and UMHB tied at 49 with 6:31 to play.
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Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 07:07:31 PM
HPU leads by 4 with 3:40 to play
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Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
HPU by 1 with 1:30 to play
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Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 07:21:50 PM
HPU wins 61-57.  I'm kinda rooting for HPU to win the tourney so we can guarantee two teams from the ASC.  That just betters our chances for someone to step up and make a run.

I have not listened to Dallas Houstan in awhile being an old Brownwood boy.  What a great radio voice...I love listening to him.

Something else that I think was important for this tourney.  HPU, UMHB, and McM all had a chance to host this tourney, and I trully believe if McM and UMHB would have hosted, they would have made the final instead of HPU.  THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT I THOUGHT IT WAS TO HOST THIS YEAR, BECAUSE ALL THESE TEAMS ARE TOUGH AT HOME!
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Post by: Big Chief on February 25, 2006, 07:26:29 PM
I did not want to see HPU win.  I believe my Chocs will pull it off but no doubt will have a real fight on their hands tomorrow.
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Post by: dballa on February 25, 2006, 07:55:07 PM
Big Chief it should definitely be an exciting game on Sunday.  HPU will have the huge crowd behind them to help out.

I think it will come down to who withstands each teams big runs and who keeps their composure.

Kendrick Johnson has played two huge games so far and needs one more to finish off a great weekend.  My vote for tourney MVP.

GO JACKETS!!!
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Post by: t_money on February 26, 2006, 12:07:24 AM
Balla,

Congrats on the win over UMHB.  The Johnson kid is putting up some big numbers and to me it seems the Jackets go as he goes.

HPU is playing well and will have an advantage with the home crowd, but I still do not believe it will be enough to overcome the Chocs.  MC will definitely have to do a better job on Johnson than they did in the first meeting.

I think this Choctaw team is too tough and too good to fall tomorrow.  Coach Lofton will have his guys ready to go and they will claim another ASC title.

HPU will have to play a perfect game to knock off MC and I just don't see that happening. ;D
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Post by: thatdude on February 26, 2006, 11:19:59 AM
This is my first and probably last post.  But thank you MC for beating McM so we don't have to see McM ass. coach for another year!!!!!

I can't understand why Holmes would allow him to act the way he did on the sidelines yesterday.  Yes, I do beleive McM was getting a raw deal.  I know Holmes knows why that is, the calls were reflecting the actions of his assistant. You could tell Holmes was getting tired of him by his reactions.

I also can't beleive this person in supposed to follow Holmes as the next head coach.  Is that how McM wants their University represented?  Everyone can say he is a great person, great recruiter, passionate about his team or whatever, but by the way he acts on the sidelines all that goes out the window because that is what most people see.

Now you can put me down or whatever you want, but go ask anyone who has played McM, they don't talk about how good McM is or how the team is playing, the first thing that comes up is always about their ass. coach and the way he acts.

Thank you MC and good luck in the championship!!!!
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Post by: titanfan on February 26, 2006, 02:42:37 PM
Does anybody know if the MC-HPU game is on the net anywhere?
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Post by: sulrosslobos on February 26, 2006, 02:45:44 PM
http://www.tsrnsports.com/Broadcast/Broad-U-HowardPayne.htm
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Post by: titanfan on February 26, 2006, 02:46:38 PM
Thanks SRL!
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Post by: sulrosslobos on February 26, 2006, 02:51:30 PM
does the game start at 1:30 or 2:30pm?
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Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 02:53:20 PM
Neither, apparently at 2.
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 03:08:58 PM
Is the Internet Broadcast choppy for anyone else?  It keeps cutting in and out.  Can someone post scores regularly?
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 03:11:34 PM
I think I just heard 14-2 MC.
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Post by: sulrosslobos on February 26, 2006, 03:12:45 PM
Pretty choppy here too..
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Post by: titanfan on February 26, 2006, 03:17:49 PM
Definitely choppy for me as well.
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 03:19:33 PM
MC up by 11.
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 03:25:19 PM
24 - 11. MC.  Not sure how much time is left in the 1st half.
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 03:33:48 PM
MC up by 18!  Wow. 
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 03:41:38 PM
I've lost the feed.  Anyone else?
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 03:53:07 PM
Got the feed back and apparently they fixed the "choppy audio" problem. 

It's halftime.  Have not heard a score yet. 

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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 04:04:05 PM
1st Half Over

Shooting
53%  MC
20% HP

2nd half just started

MC 41 HP 23


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Post by: warped on February 26, 2006, 04:09:34 PM
big chief...i knew HPU could not hang with MC because MC is too Athletic and HPU is not deep enough...
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 04:10:16 PM
50 - 29 /  14 minutes left.
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 04:12:57 PM
I guess playing 2 tough games already is catching up to HP.  Still, I would have thought the home crowd could have kept them somewhat close.  MC had some good teams while I was there but I'm beginning to think this team is the real deal and could make a deep run.
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Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2006, 04:27:49 PM
Anything new?
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 04:30:04 PM
MC 65 Hp 51. 
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Post by: SulrossBBall on February 26, 2006, 04:32:44 PM
Being that I just played against MC to start the tournament I know those guys have incredible talent. They have awesome depth off the bench, with Broomsfield and Eugene to spark the starting 5 if they are stuggling.
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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 04:34:15 PM
MC  68

HPU  55

2:30 minutes left

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Post by: Big Chief on February 26, 2006, 04:39:37 PM
MC 74

HPU 58

Ball Game!

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Post by: dballa on February 26, 2006, 05:00:35 PM
Rough start for HPU in the game, MC came out composed and ready and the Jackets just came out too tight and trying to do everything at once.

The 2nd half they settled down and started playing well, cut the lead down to 8 at one point. 

Like Big Chief said, they had two really tough games before that and MC has so much depth that they could sub in anybody and just had so much energy throughout the game.

Congrats to Mississippi College on a well played game.  Congrats to the Yellow Jackets on a wonderful season and a great run through the tournament.

As long as MC doesn't have a melt down they should go to the final 4.  I don't think there are more than a couple teams going to the tournament as deep and athletic as their team.  Represent Choctaws.
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Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 05:38:37 PM
Congratulations, Mississippi College!  Make the ASC look good in the post season, and show people we don't just do football in this part of the world!!
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Post by: millie on February 26, 2006, 06:37:53 PM
With MC winning and ranked is there any chance that they will host?
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Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: millie on February 26, 2006, 06:37:53 PM
With MC winning and ranked is there any chance that they will host?

I am pretty confident that they host the first week/end.

Do they host a sectional? ??? ;)
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Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2006, 07:26:19 PM
Anybody think HPU will squeek in with a bid? I have already seen D3 says no, but I think we can.
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Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 12:40:10 AM
I just want to add my two cents to others who are wishing MC good luck in the playoffs.  I think the record is 27-1...or something like that, which is outstanding!  ;D

Stay well, keep winning and represent the ASC well!

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Post by: sulrosslobos on February 27, 2006, 08:29:43 AM
When does the All Tournament team and Conference Awards get released?
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Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 08:59:28 AM
i just noticed that it looks like MC will not get to host again...what is so great about Merryville??????????
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Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 09:36:14 AM
Millie, I could be wrong...but I read the bracket that MC would be hosting...and was #1 seed...I think.  Bracket says, "at" MC...for the next four teams listed.

Can someone else confirm.

Good luck!

ASC fan.....
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Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2006, 11:17:19 AM
I will spare you an answer to "What's so great about Maryville" and confirm that the bracket is pretty clear that Mississippi College hosts four games.  Miss. vs. Maryville (MO.) and Trinity (TX) vs. Maryville (TN).

I can't imagine anybody being thrilled about having to play the Choctaws anywhere, esp. on their home court. 
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Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 12:07:04 PM
i must have read it wrong very early this morning...the web page has changed since then...please forgive my error.
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Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2006, 12:09:28 PM
well here is that shot for Maryville to beat the SCAC team from the top of the standings since they could not beat the bottom teams, i hope i am a prophet?
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Post by: SulrossBBall on February 27, 2006, 12:37:32 PM
Congrats to MC, hope to see you guys play well throughout the tourney. Bring the national championship trophey to the ASC. Good Luck


Will the MC website be broadcasting all their games or will there be another site i can go to?
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Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 12:56:28 PM
I don't think MC broadcast any games here in Brownwood this past weekend.  At their place they'll have the livestats going so you can check it out on the net.  I'm sure the visiting team will have their radio, but not so sure about if they'll have it on the net or not.
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Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 01:30:31 PM
don't count on much info from MC's web site...their information highway is a dead end.
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Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 02:06:50 PM
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/

Conference awards posted.

Kendrick Johnson should have been 1st team.  He got robbed.
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Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2006, 02:12:46 PM
Get ready to rename it
"Bobby The Golden Dome" after Bobby Golden and the Fighting Scots dominate this weekend
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Post by: Big Chief on February 27, 2006, 02:50:01 PM
New Rule:

If you have a picture of Emilio Estevez on your posts, then NEVER POST AGAIN. 
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Post by: t_money on February 27, 2006, 03:27:48 PM
Chief,

Golden boy is living in a dream world.  There is not even the slightest chance that the Scots come to Clinton and leave here with two wins.  The Chocs are by far the most dominant team of the four.

Not only are the Chocs the best team, but they are also playing at home where they have won every game they have played this year.

I will give mattgrub props for talking a little trash though.  That is what makes these boards fun. ;D

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Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2006, 03:40:27 PM
I like it when folks say things like "There is not even the slightest chance...."   That's probably not true.
There is always the flu.
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Post by: Big Chief on February 27, 2006, 03:44:33 PM
I agree, a little trash talking is fun for everyone.  That still doesn't explain his obsession with Emilio Estevez.   For that, I stand by objection to his posting ever again.  Unfortuately I am in no postition to impose such a sanction so I will simply continue to make fun of him.

If I had a picture of a teen idol from 1984 posted with my message, I would atleast make sure that my user name was not also my actual name...Mr. Matt Grubb.

Idiot.
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Post by: t_money on February 27, 2006, 03:52:58 PM
Scottie,

How would you compare this year's team to last year's Maryville team?
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Post by: mcm_indians on February 27, 2006, 08:04:56 PM

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/

Conference awards posted.

Kendrick Johnson should have been 1st team.  He got robbed.
Quote

dballa- - i agree that johnson deserved to get the first team nod.  But who do you think he should have replaced?  anybody else think that someone deserved better. . or worse on the all conference teams?
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Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 08:10:46 PM
I think either Maxwell or Pickelman.  When you look at that team you look at who did more for their team to help them when, shouldn't just look at who was putting up points.  Johnson led his team to quite a few victories including hitting game winning shots.  I don't think they can say the same for those other two guys.

I thought Jean from HSU should have been a first teamer just because of his defense and rebounding.  They have the player of the year on the first team why not the defensive player of the year. 
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Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2006, 12:01:50 AM
t-money:

I think that without Monte Callaway, who is hurt,  Murvul at this time of year is less dangerous than they were last year.  He is/was their best scorer and defender and a good ballhandler and a senior leader.  It is a pretty young bunch now.  Still, Randy is still the coach and they will have a plan....

I remember Miss. College's depth last year wore us out (and Callaway was hurt for that game, too).
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Post by: golden_dome on February 28, 2006, 08:33:38 AM
For anyone interested in following the games this weekend at Mississippi College, we will have live stats running though I am not sure yet who will be broadcasting. We will also have photo galleries up for each game.
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Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2006, 10:58:55 AM
MC-SID:  What is the link?  Thanks.
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Post by: SRLobo51 on February 28, 2006, 02:04:29 PM
Congrats to MC on a good run so far. I have them picked to play Lawrence in the NCAA Championship game. Make me and the rest of the ASC fans proud. Good Luck.

I never thought I would ever say this but....

:)Go Chocs :o
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Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 02:13:01 PM
SRlobo51, you wouldn't mind a little MC-payback on Lawrence, would you! ;)

Go Chocs!

The whole ASC is rooting for you! :)
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Post by: SulrossBBall on February 28, 2006, 03:55:21 PM
Congrats to Sid Hooper from the western conference and congrats to Cedric Isom from the eastern conference on being Players of the Year. Being that im your bro Sid, I want to wish you good luck with the Olympic Team in Europe and your remaining career. Hope to see you in uniform for another team someday. You are a great bro and the kind of a Senior leader that all teams would want to have!
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Post by: sulrosslobos on February 28, 2006, 04:53:15 PM
I agree...Sid is an outstanding player that will be missed next season.  But little brother, Richard will step into his shoes.  I feel that the upcoming Lobo season will be interesting.  The Lobos have a great bunch of players coming back (I hope), with the addition of some more....can't wait for next season!!!
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Post by: sulrosslobos on February 28, 2006, 04:53:56 PM
Not to mention Aaron Hardwick and Arturo Escobar...all great players that will be missed!
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Post by: SulrossBBall on February 28, 2006, 05:06:19 PM
Yes Aaron and Tury will be missed greatly....they brought us great leadership with never say die attitudes. i really think tury should have made atleast honorable mention maybe even 2nd team. he stepped up in many games this year to help us win the game down the stretch
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Post by: Big Chief on February 28, 2006, 09:13:19 PM
While everyone else is talking about who is the greatest from the teams no longer playing this season and who is going to "step up" next season, may I point out that MC is #8 in the latest poll!

All kidding aside,  there are some great players that are going to be missed from the ASC.
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Post by: jmnaseum on March 01, 2006, 12:48:51 PM
I'm with Chief -- everybody loses players, let's talk about the Chocs --
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Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2006, 04:01:48 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 28, 2006, 10:58:55 AM
MC-SID:  What is the link?  Thanks.

I found this link on MC's site today:

http://www.mc.edu/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm

Right now there's a baseball game.  Hopefully that changes come this weekend.  ;-)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2006, 12:59:03 PM
Geez, guys, from the lack of traffic you would never know that a team from the ASC was hosting this weekend's subregional.  MC's put up a page with links for all games, including live stats, photos, boxes, and game stories:

http://www.mc.edu/athletics/NCAAMBSK06.htm

Thanks to MC Sports Information !!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 01:30:02 PM
Ron, the really active posters come the West (HPU, HSU, McM, MHB and SRSU).  IMHO, Aerie Head from Ozarks and ETBUalum are the main posters from the East.

We get some MC action occasionally, altho' Millie is a unanimous All-ASC Mom! :)
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Post by: millie on March 02, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
Thanks ralph...you are to kind...i wish there we other east posters....sometimes i need some help.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on March 02, 2006, 04:22:10 PM
The reason there is no traffic is because the regular season is over.  All the West posters want to talk about post season awards because that is simply all they have left to talk about.  :'(

I enjoy reading Ralph's comments but he knows that McMurry and the rest of the West is always playing for second.

MC rules the ASC!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 05:59:07 PM
Quote from: t_money on March 02, 2006, 04:22:10 PM
The reason there is no traffic is because the regular season is over.  All the West posters want to talk about post season awards because that is simply all they have left to talk about.  :'(

t money, we haven't had 20% of the posts coming from East Division fans, all season long We rarely get news paper hyperlinks or uplinks for ball games.  Aerie Head,  etbualum and millie have admirably carried the load! ;)

I enjoy reading Ralph's comments but he knows that McMurry and the rest of the West is always playing for second. 

Except in Football! :D :D ;D

MC rules the ASC!!!!! ;D

But has never made it to the Elite 8 and has only the 3rd best percentage in Post-season NCAA Play! ;)


Good friend, we teams on the West beat ourselves up in division and get then whittled down in the Tourney.  We West teams have never received a Pool C bid.  We are tired of MC "wasting" all of those opportunities in post-season play. ;)  McMurry has one "8" and one "16";  Sul Ross has a "16" nothing less. :) ;)

I will make a bold prediction.  If MissColl plays the outside wing game, the shoot-the-3's-all-night style, and keep Tyler Winford on the bench for more than 15 minutes, MC is doomed when they play those strong Great Lakes region teams.

That seems to be the recurring theme.  They can play the fast style, athletic style, whatever style we can call it style all that they want in the ASC.  The road always seems to end the first time they play a Great Lakes Region team, because the Great Lakes teams know that they can beat MissColl inside.  Calvin in 2005; a one-and-done at Maryville TN in 2003,  a bye-home one-and-done to Lewis and Clark in 2002, a strong CNU in 2000, and John Carroll in 1999.  McMurry beat them with their big men in 2001 and 2000 in the ASC, just like Sully did in 2004 (Justin Steward, Rockland Owens etc.)

I fully expect Miss Coll to defeat Maryville MO by 14-20 points even after the Chocs have emptied the bench.  I expect the Chocs to pull to at least a maximum 22-point lead in the game against Maryville MO.

If Miss College is really a Top 10 team, then they should win the 2nd game (at home) by no less than double-digits, either Maryville TN or Trinity.

I want a Final Four this year.  This is the most favorable of a scenario with as strong a team as I can remember.

I am ready for McMurry to have to look at a Final Four banner the next time we visit the Golden Dome. ;) 8)

Go Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on March 02, 2006, 07:58:46 PM
Ralph,

Your points are well taken.  I agree that MC has not made a deep run into the tourney other than a couple of 16's.  I do think that the West is probably the tougher of the two divisions, but neither of the top two (HPU and McM) could play within double digits of the Chocs.  The only loss the Chocs had this year was @ UMHB when we shot about 30% for the game.

If the West is so tough I would have imagined that one of the top two teams could have at leat challenged the Chocs.  They each had two shots at the Chocs just like each team in the East and faired no better.  I mean MC destroyed HPU in the ASC title game in Brownwood with a NCAA berth on the line.

The bottom line is that in order to make a run at the Final Four you must first qualify for the tourney.  No one in the ASC does that more consistently than MC.

I don't believe that MC will struggle with either of the first two games.  However, the rest of the season depends on where we go for the sectionals.  As much as I think MC deserves to host I simply don't see that happening.

Ralph, you know more about the teams around the country than I do.  How do you think the Chocs will fair in this bracket and why?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 09:09:27 PM
t money, I guess that Pat Coleman echoes my sentiments most effectively.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/06/preview.htm

I would love to see MissColl host a Sectional. I would love for the Golden Dome to be rocking!  8)

A sectional containing RMC, Witt and UW-La Crosse would be a great one.  Those schools have basketball traditions that are even more impressive than MC's.

I think that MC has to play tough inside, a very physical game, more midwestern style than anything to which we are acquainted in the South.

If we (MC) get the sectional, I give us an even chance.  If we travel, then the home team will have the advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on March 02, 2006, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 05:59:07 PM

If Miss College is really a Top 10 team, then they should win the 2nd game (at home) by no less than double-digits, either Maryville TN or Trinity.

Go Chocs!

Ridiculous comment.  This is the NCAA tournament.  It isn't that simple.  All of the teams are good (perhaps a few New England teams excluded from that).  Last year Trinity was the second best team in the country behind Stevens Point and had a six point home win vs. UT-Dallas in the first round and a very tough 12 point win at home in the second round. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on March 02, 2006, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on March 02, 2006, 12:59:03 PM
Geez, guys, from the lack of traffic you would never know that a team from the ASC was hosting this weekend's subregional. 

I'm still following along -- just don't know that much to be making predictions, etc. 

I'd like to see MC in the Final Four too.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SulrossBBall on March 02, 2006, 10:20:21 PM
I would love to see Mississippi College meet up with Lawerence and just beat the living crap out of them haha. Get some revenge on those boys for Sul Ross!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: carlweathers on March 02, 2006, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2006, 05:59:07 PM

If Miss College is really a Top 10 team, then they should win the 2nd game (at home) by no less than double-digits, either Maryville TN or Trinity.

Go Chocs!

Ridiculous comment.  This is the NCAA tournament.  It isn't that simple.  All of the teams are good (perhaps a few New England teams excluded from that).  Last year Trinity was the second best team in the country behind Stevens Point and had a six point home win vs. UT-Dallas in the first round and a very tough 12 point win at home in the second round. 

Good evening Carl,

I went back to the 2005 season Final Top 10.

We had the usual bracket seedings in which the Great Lakes and Midwest Regions are paired by "geographic proximity" and not traditional D1 style seedings.  Here are the outcomes in the second round games by the final Top 10 ranked teams.

1) UWSP beat Lawrence by 24
2) Calvin beat Aurora by 12
3) Trinity beat Pomona-Pitzer by 12
4) Rochester beat Union by 18
5) Albion (MIAA and Great Lakes) beat #8 Wooster (NCAC and Great Lakes) by 1.
6) Amherst beat Springfield by 13
7) Hanover (HCAC and Midwest) beat #10 IWU (CCIW and Midwest) by 5.
8 ) Wooster lost to #5 Albion by 1.
9) Wittenburg (NCAC and Great Lakes) lost to #12 John Carroll (OAC and Great Lakes) in OT.
10) IWU lost to #7 Hanover.

12) John Carroll lost at Albion in the Sweet 16 by 1.

Inside the Great Lakes/Midwest Region, there is so much parity that you cannot make such a prediciton (kinda like the South Region in football  ;D).

As for the rest of D3, the top seeds are commonly that much better.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 12:24:39 AM
Travel safely! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 03, 2006, 12:37:55 AM
Someone tell me, is MC a ton better team this year than in 2005? The reason I ask is that they were definitely the 4th best team in our sectional last year. They were not used to the tough, physical style of defense needed to get to the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 12:43:20 AM
knightmoves, that is the $64,000 question*.

MissColl is better, but whether they can handle a more physical style of play is my main question re: making the Final Four, assuming they take care of business this weekend!

*Actually that TV show is probably as old as your parents! ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: EagleCoach on March 03, 2006, 09:08:52 AM
I heard a rumor that Travis Tennison was back at McMurry! :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 09:45:45 AM
Courtesy of the GSAC board, a story on MC:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006603030332
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 03, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
ralph...we were doing so well in the post season...we have been so agreeable...BUT...if you will take the same post you made from the boys and apply it to the girls board...i would be surprised...you said you were tired of MC (boys) wasting chances at the NCAA tourny and wish the west could have a shot.......well that is kinda like MC's girls feel...HSU and MCM(we will see what they do) have had or are having their shot...we would like a chance at the tourny....
BUT...as we all know...if we can't do well in the asc tourney we don't get a shot...GIRLS or BOYS

but...we can still be friends
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: millie on March 03, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
ralph...we were doing so well in the post season...we have been so agreeable...BUT...if you will take the same post you made from the boys and apply it to the girls board...i would be surprised...you said you were tired of MC (boys) wasting chances at the NCAA tourny and wish the west could have a shot.......well that is kinda like MC's girls feel...HSU and MCM(we will see what they do) have had or are having their shot...we would like a chance at the tourny....
BUT...as we all know...if we can't do well in the asc tourney we don't get a shot...GIRLS or BOYS

but...we can still be friends

Actually millie, I posted that rant several times earlier this year on the women's board. ;)

"Jungle" remarked about that someone told hom that no Abilene school had won a major championship, NAIA football and ACU's 49 men's and women's track and field and men's golf  not withstanding.

After Saturday, if I have to change the color of my blood, I will, because I want the ASC to go far!  :)

Travel safely friends!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 03, 2006, 05:11:36 PM
The Mississippi College games this weekend. will have an internet broadcast tonight. The link is on the front page of our athletics site.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 03, 2006, 11:03:35 PM
Any scores?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 03, 2006, 11:10:30 PM
Mississippi College won by 30.  No contest.  They could have won by 40.  with five minutes left in the 2nd half they put in players 11. 12. 13. 14. 15.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 03, 2006, 11:14:52 PM
 
Score by Periods                1st  2nd   Total
Maryville University..........   28   30  -   58
Mississippi College...........   39   49  -   88
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 03, 2006, 11:16:39 PM
Thanks, Big Chief...


I was beginning to worry!   :P

Go Choctaws!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 03, 2006, 11:19:56 PM
No problem.  MC was played great.  By far they had more talent, but they played solid basketball.  They were just too quick and yes.....you could tell by the end of the first half that Maryville was not going to have the legs to keep running with them.  I was there and would be happy to answer any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 03, 2006, 11:21:31 PM
I meant MC played great.  (Not MC was played great).  Maryville (MO) was not a bad team, just over matched.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 03, 2006, 11:25:56 PM
MC - 11 steals
Maryville - 2 steals

MC - 6 blocks
Maryville - 0 blocks

They played incredible defense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
Bobby Golden picked up his 3rd foul. Chocs lead 9-6.

16:11 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:23:28 PM
Murvul 16, Chocs  11,

Murvul has been able to dictate a half court game.

9:28 left in the first half.

The chocs led 9-4 after the first 3 minutes, but have gone colder than I have ever heard them go.  Murvul has outscored them  13-2 in the last 8 minutes. Blair at the foul line 1-2 ; 17-11, Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:26:02 PM
Bradley Blair is on the bench for the Scots with his 3rd foul. Scots 17-13; 8:00

MV--QBradley 3FG 20-13.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:56:41 PM
Maryville 26, Choctaws 24, at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:00:31 PM
Chocs open the second half with 8-0 run, 32-26.

Murvul timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2006, 09:02:12 PM
The winner of this game gets Transylvania, 91-88 winners over Wooster in a thriller this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:04:37 PM
Tied at 35, 15:00 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:10:51 PM
Chocs 44, Murvul 37; 11:05.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:12:01 PM
Chocs 46, Murvul 40 10:15 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:17:09 PM
Chocs 52, Murvul 40. 8;39

Murvul announcers say that Murvul has just quit playing!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:19:09 PM
Chocs 57, MURVUL 40. 8:00.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:24:03 PM
5:55 left. 60-42, Chocs.

MURVUL announcers announce that it is a blowout.

Chocs 60, Murvul 44 on a Bradley Blair dunk for Murvul. 5:00 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:29:35 PM
Chocs 64-49, 2:05.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:32:13 PM
Chocs 69, MC 49,  1:00 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:51:05 PM
I am not sure where the Chocs were the first half, maybe floating on their First Round Laurels. :-\

The second half has been more like the usual Choctaws.

The Chocs had more spark and more energy.

Final Miss College 69, MURVUL 51.

Now the big question...

Is 28-1 good enough a record to host a sectional?

I will be very surprised if they get a Sectional!

I will send Pat Coleman a half-dozen steaks if Miss College hosts the Sectional!   ;) ;D 8).
(The drama heightens!)

The announcers commented about the Miss College defense and the breakaways.

I get the opinion from the Murvul announcers that they haven't seen this type of basketball this season.  Apparently the speed of play that we have in the ASC is much faster and more athletic than in the GSAC.

The announcers commented about how the Scots could not get their passes around the top of the Chocs' defense.  Chocs held the Scots to only 21% on 3FG. 

The Chocs' Timothy Bloomfield played behind the Scots and was able to defend Murvul as they apparently had not seen.

MC had 11 steals and 5 blocks and totally dominated Murvul in the second half.  I get the impresson that the Scots do not see that much pressing defense in the GSAC.   Whether Calloway would have made a difference is another question.



Jimmy and George do a great job on the broadast.  They repeat the score and time frequently.  Their voices broadcast well.  I have enjoyed listening to them the last 2 games.  Thanks to Jimmy and George.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 04, 2006, 10:02:32 PM
Ralph,

Thanks...I/we appreciate all the updating!  Why do you say you'd be surprised it MC got to host a sectional?

How many other teams have lost only one game?

Go Choctaws!

Congratulations...

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 10:07:32 PM
Quote from: dsc on March 04, 2006, 10:02:32 PM
Ralph,

Thanks...I/we appreciate all the updating!  Why do you say you'd be surprised it MC got to host a sectional?
How many other teams have lost only one game?

Go Choctaws!

Congratulations...



Geographic proximity!  Why fly 3 teams to Clinton when MC can be flown to wherever! >:( :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2006, 11:46:09 PM
Congrats to the Choctaws and go get 'em.  For whatever it is worth, Maryville and Transy split.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 11:48:56 PM
Scottiedoug, thanks, and have a good off-season!

They did! Didn't they!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2006, 01:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:51:05 PM
I will send Pat Coleman a half-dozen steaks if Miss College hosts the Sectional!   ;) ;D 8).
(The drama heightens!)

Mmmmmm, steaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 08:53:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2006, 01:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:51:05 PM
I will send Pat Coleman a half-dozen steaks if Miss College hosts the Sectional!   ;) ;D 8).
(The drama heightens!)

Mmmmmm, steaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak. :)

Okay Choctaws fans, this McMurry alum may be passing the hat and asking for donations to help with getting a Sectional in Clinton.  A tremendous sacrifice on my part, and it is tough having to bleed navy blue during March Madness, but sacrifices must be made!   And this is one way to taunt the selection gods, a burnt offering (medium rare?) on Pat Coleman's grill!  ;)

In the new format of Pools, since 2000, the ASC has never hosted a Sectional.  We have been flown to Calvin (McM), to Christopher Newport (McM), to Puget Sound (SRSU) and to Albion (MC).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 05, 2006, 01:19:12 PM
Chocs are goin to Wittenburg
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 05, 2006, 03:46:28 PM
where in the blue blazes is whittenburg.....don't these people know that the road goes in both directions...what does the ASC have to do to host the higher brackets?  i thought i just read that MC is the highest ranked team left in the tourney....MC needs, not a final 4, but an outright championship...i really don't understand the thinking of the NCAA...the south gets it stuck to them again.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 05, 2006, 03:48:01 PM
FYI...
there is an international airport in Jackson, Mississippi...less than 20 miles away.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on March 05, 2006, 04:34:53 PM
millie -- It is spelled "Wittenberg" and a quick jaunt to mapquest.com showed that Springfield is east of Dayton on the way to Columbus.
They may be asking the same question about Clinton.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2006, 05:36:19 PM
So what is it...is someone afraid to "let" a South region team host in case one might bust up the midwest bias?   Ohio is not the only state with a gym with lights and roads and airports and motels....

Go Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on March 05, 2006, 06:03:28 PM
Hey that war is over. It was in all the papers!
Seriously, the bracket seems fair -- at least in terms of where they will be played with the teams that remain.
Then, look at the teams in the Wittenberg bracket: Witt., MC, Transylvania, and Hope. The states represented: Ohio, Mississippi, Kentucky, and Michigan. And Transylvania is in Lexignton -- that's in northern Kentucky (and they were a border state in that war) -- not far from Ohio.
Seems that Springfield, OH is about as central in that bracket as could be had unless the NCAA wanted to go with a neutral site.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 05, 2006, 06:48:01 PM
Following a great suggestion by TigerFan_1973, I created a new topic in the GL Region for discussing the upcoming games in Springfield.  Saves us from having to post in multiple places.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 05, 2006, 06:52:36 PM
of the 4 teams in MC's bracket...who has the best record?
if it is MC then  MC should host, if it is not, then the team with the best record (or power points or what ever they are called) should host...there should be an advantage to doing well...if the powers that be really want the truly BEST team to win (which the vote is still out in that)...i am from louisiana and i have had the chance to see some of the BEST politics known to man.

baddog...you must be a geography nerd...you care an awful lot about it especially when it gives you the home court advantage...

let's go Choctaws to whitenberg and win one for the SOUTH.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on March 05, 2006, 07:19:33 PM
Millie -- Maybe a nerd, but I am simply not geographically ignorant. Nor as poor (or hard-headed) a mis-speller.
The issue for the NCAA is not who has the best record. It is centrality to effect cost savings. It really is that simple.
I do not have a dog in this fight. Just trying to call for some objectivity from you Mississloppy fans. (Hey, no surprise you could spell Wittenberg with a "white.")
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 08:53:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2006, 01:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:51:05 PM
I will send Pat Coleman a half-dozen steaks if Miss College hosts the Sectional!   ;) ;D 8).
(The drama heightens!)

Mmmmmm, steaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak. :)

Okay Choctaws fans, this McMurry alum may be passing the hat and asking for donations to help with getting a Sectional in Clinton.  A tremendous sacrifice on my part, and it is tough having to bleed navy blue during March Madness, but sacrifices must be made!   And this is one way to taunt the selection gods, a burnt offering (medium rare?) on Pat Coleman's grill!  ;)

In the new format of Pools, since 2000, the ASC has never hosted a Sectional.  We have been flown to Calvin (McM), to Christopher Newport (McM), to Puget Sound (SRSU) and to Albion (MC).
Well Pat, I guess that turned out to be a safe bet! :-\

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 05, 2006, 08:11:16 PM
I've always been under the assumption (and was told during the football season) that the NCAA Officials' job was to make sure the BEST teams reached the FINALS!  It is in the football playoffs, anyway.  The SAME should apply to basketball.

Part of making sure this happens is to let the best teams have the "home court advantage." ::)

I don't see this happening... >:(

The Chocs should be playing in Clinton! :D

I hope you win anyway!!!  Good luck!  Do your best! :)

Pat missed a good opportunity for some Texas Beef! ???

But I am sure money is being saved!  So what else matters?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 05, 2006, 08:13:20 PM
BADDOG...
you can call me stupid, ignorant, hard headed (which most agree) or anything else but DO NOT call me a racist(because i am from the south)  you do not know me, my background, my education, my family or anything else about me...this crap has NO place on this board...i am offended as well as insulted...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: dsc on March 05, 2006, 08:11:16 PM
...
Pat missed a good opportunity for some Texas Beef! ???

But I am sure money is being saved!  So what else matters?

Yeah, mine!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 05, 2006, 08:34:38 PM
Good one, Ralph!!! ;D  Got a chuckle out of me!

And you too Millie, that should not be said by anyone!

Thanks for not letting it pass unnoticed!

Bad...Bad...Baddog!!! :-[
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 05, 2006, 08:40:40 PM
thanks ... dsc
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 05, 2006, 09:50:26 PM
Actually Millie, Hope College in Michigan is the highest seeded team in the bracket, but also are travelling due to geography considerations. If you have as good of a team as you think you do, you should also be good enough to win on the road. Just eat your grits & listen to the games on the radio if it's too far for you to drive to support your team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Big Chief on March 05, 2006, 10:17:44 PM
You know what is funny?

There have been two racist remarks posted and neither were from southerners.

Why is that?   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: knightmoves on March 05, 2006, 09:50:26 PM
Actually Millie, Hope College in Michigan is the highest seeded team in the bracket, but also are travelling due to geography considerations. If you have as good of a team as you think you do, you should also be good enough to win on the road. Just eat your grits & listen to the games on the radio if it's too far for you to drive to support your team.

I beg your pardon, knightmoves.

MC has the #4 QOWI, has a higher in-region percentage and higher won-loss percentage.

Pat Coleman unoffically seeded MC as the #1 in the South.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/06/preview.htm
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Aerie Head on March 05, 2006, 10:27:39 PM
Sure, it would be nice for MC to get to host a sectional, but I'm not sure "home-court advantage" really means anything to the Chocs.  I went back to look at their record, and the lowest number of points they won by on the road was 8 (and one of those was in Clarksville!   ;)).  Most of the time, the margin was well into double digits.  They seem to take care of business, at home or on the road.

Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 05, 2006, 10:32:18 PM
MC handled the HPU crowd of over 2000 pretty easily and played really well throughout that whole tournament here in Brownwood.  They are ready for whatever comes their way thats for sure.  They may need to bring some silver bullets, wooden stakes and crosses though when they play Transylvania :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 05, 2006, 10:48:26 PM
My bad Ralph, but that's just on paper. I have absolutely no doubt that either Hope or Witt will dispose of the Chocs as easily as my Knights did last year anyway. I know you said they are much better this year, but this is a much tougher class of ball in the Great Lakes region. It's too bad that Witt & Hope have to play Friday night, because that's essentially the final anyway. If the Chocs advance to the final 4, I will officially bow down to you right here on the ASC site.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 11:10:05 PM
knight, this MC is much different than last year's team.  I thought that the addition of Timothy Broomfield was big!

I stated earlier that the critical statistic will be 28 minutes of playing time for Tyler Winford.  The Midwest/Great Lakes hates the up-tempo style of play.  Look at the ridicule that is foisted upon teams that play up-tempo (Nolan Richardson style) or Grinnell's systems.

Well, a strong inside neutralizing presence will permit the up-tempo to succeed.  However, if MissColl needs to handle a slower pace, then that falls on Winford's shoulders to neutralize the inside-out game..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 05, 2006, 11:36:31 PM
Knightmoves,

We really don't care if or where you bow down...

and you can just "eat my grits!"

I love Mississippi!

Go Choctaws!  Get fired up!!!

Texas Fan...not the gentleman that Ralph is!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 05, 2006, 11:39:10 PM
knight...if you have never tried you should...they are great...you don't know what you are missing.

dsc...you are not the gentleman and i'm not the lady (belle maybe)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 05, 2006, 11:39:54 PM
knight...grits, that is
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on March 06, 2006, 01:23:32 AM
I agree with what Ralph said.  Broomfield has been a huge help this year.  Everyone left is deep though so it will be a tough test.

Good Luck MC
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on March 06, 2006, 10:34:09 AM
I can't understand this. How can MC not be hosting. Are they not the top seed in the region? It has nothing to do with geography and everything to do with economics. I think the NCAA exploits the athletes enough (especially D-1) to be able to afford a few plane tickets and hotel rooms. I would think that a team that is 28-1 would be rewarded for that no matter who they are or where they reside and if Hope is the top seed then the sectional should be there. I would love for someone to give me a logical explanation other than monetary because i can not believe that this is a major concern for a multi million dollar organization. Go Chocs and stuff our southern and asc pride down every teams throat that you meet up there!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 07, 2006, 11:07:39 AM
shot in the dark,

If Hope and Mississippi College win on Friday night, is there anyone else out there in the St. Louis Mo area who would be interested in driving over to Witt to see Saturday's game?
Private message me and maybe we can hook up  -  I'm willing to drive  - drive back after game getting home late.
Best to private message me.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2006, 11:57:54 AM
Congratulations Hopefan on your 1000th post! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hopefan on March 07, 2006, 12:22:43 PM
and it may be my first ever post in the ASC room!!!!????
I've never even been to Texas!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 07, 2006, 12:37:27 PM
hopefan,

Your karma grew for visiting the ASC! :D


Welcome to Texas!

(Even though I am in D.C.!) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: leroy on March 08, 2006, 12:17:40 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 11:10:05 PM
The Midwest/Great Lakes hates the up-tempo style of play.  Look at the ridicule that is foisted upon teams that play up-tempo (Nolan Richardson style) or Grinnell's systems.

Well, a strong inside neutralizing presence will permit the up-tempo to succeed.  However, if MissColl needs to handle a slower pace, then that falls on Winford's shoulders to neutralize the inside-out game..

Not sure about this comment?  Saying an entire region (especially a region that has dominted the D3 championships) hates up tempo basketball would be a bit extreme.  Actually, having seen a fair amount of ASC and Midwest D3 basketball I would say MC is one of the most "Midwest" type teams.  That is because they have great fundamentals, rebound well, play hard, and attempt to shoot a good percentage. 

I feel the Midwest gets the unfair rap of playing "slow" basketball, when in fact they play "smart" and "good" basketball...as does MC.  While the style is slower up North, many teams in the Midwest play up-tempo and many teams down South slow it down.  To say the entore region HATES up tempo is too extreme.  Grinnell would get the same criticism anywhere.  I do feel the Midwest emphasizes team play and hustle more than other regions.

That being said, I think MC will win that regional and I hope they win the National Championship.  I have seen Lawrence, Wooster, and NC Wesleyan and a MC National title is possible this year.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2006, 12:22:48 AM
Quote from: kid nice on March 06, 2006, 10:34:09 AM
I can't understand this. How can MC not be hosting. Are they not the top seed in the region? It has nothing to do with geography and everything to do with economics.

Uhhh ... same thing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2006, 12:57:39 AM
Leroy, good evening. :)

I don't recall MC having 2 big men as good as Winford and Broomfield in this decade.

MC had no one to contest Kim Maina for McMurry in 2000 and 2001.  Lewis and Clark just destroyed Miss Coll in 2003.  SRSU's Justin Steward and company dominated in 2004.

I think that they will be the key to the game.  Winford needs to play 28 minutes per game and play well to win the Sectional.  ;)

;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 08, 2006, 08:54:23 AM
As a relative newcomer to the board, let me first introduce myself.  I am a transplanted choctaw alum in Raleigh, NC, and I've watched these boards for several years without ever registering or posting.  Ralph Turner, you are a classy guy that knows his game, even if you are an Indian.  I was at several of the McMurry/MC heated matchups in the late 90's, early 00's.  I certainly appreciate your defense of MC come tourney time.

Tell me, why does it seem like the Hope/Witt fans have absolutely no respect for MC.  I can certainly appreciate their confidence in their home squad, but they speak of their upcoming game as if it is THE championship.  Are they foolish to overlook a 28-1 Choctaw team that is, from all indication, 12 deep?  Or, are they just that good?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 08, 2006, 09:00:04 AM
Pardon me, 29-1.  Also, I don't want to convey the attitude of looking past Transy...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2006, 09:15:13 AM
NCChoctaw, welcome aboard.

We ASC fans are extremely delighted to have another Choctaw to contribute and post pertinently.

I think that the Great Lakes posters have some degree of provincialism about their basketball.  After all, the only ASC teams they have seen directly are the 2005 MC team that lost to Calvin in Albion, the 2000 McM team that lost to Calvin in Calvin and the 1999 Choctaws who lost at John Carroll.

To make a broad generalization (and you know how fallacious that can be), they also behave with respect to their basketball the way that Southerners behave about our football, (Indiana Football? :P :-\ And Notre Dame football is national football.)

I really mean what I post about Winford and Broomfield.  I  don't think that we ASC fans have had the big men necessary to win at this level ( the Sweet 16, or Elite 8), where winning gets you to the Final Four.  They have too many skillful short 6-footers who could run with us, maybe not as quickly but with more savvy.

We will need to beat them inside.

Have a good day! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 08, 2006, 10:01:57 AM
I can appreciate the football analogy.  Speaking of football, I had an old high school coach that, when the opposing team would start "whooping and hollering" before games, would remind us that the wounded dog always yells first... :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2006, 01:15:30 PM
NCChoctaw, I have one other thought about what MC needs to do.

(The fun thing about being a fan is we get to sit on the sidelines  and yell all sorts of things whether they are right or not! :D ;)  Anyway here goes!)

Coach Lofton has the Chocs back in the 16 again.  He knows what got him here and he knows what he needs to do to get where the entire Choctaw team coaching staff, fans, etc want to go.

Use whatever analogy that you want, Poker, Bridge, Golf, you see your hand with the cards you were dealt, your lie and the clubs in your bag, etc.

If you take a vote, every serious Chcotaw player says to himself, this is for the team!  I believe that Coach Lofton and my teammates have gotten us here to the Sweet 16 again this year, and I really just want to be on the plane going to Salem!  So, I want Coach Lofton to figure out how we get to Salem.  If that means he needs to shift minutes, then I understand.   I just want to be on the plane to Salem! 

I really believe that the Chocs have to prepare for a style of play that we don't often see in the ASC or the South.

I believe that Timothy Broomfiled needs to play "twenty pounds" heavier.

Above all, I really do wish the Choctaws all the best!

Bring home a banner to an ASC gym! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 08, 2006, 02:39:57 PM
I don't care about the ASC gym stuff, Ralph, but it is time for a team from Southern Basketball to bring home the banner (and it is so much easier for me since Mississippi College is not in Texas!).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 08, 2006, 04:04:04 PM
Scottie, we'll take the support however we can get it.  These days, I see the Golden Dome as much as you guys do....none. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 08, 2006, 04:06:56 PM
the chocs are ranked nationally as #8 and got a #1 seed and regional hosting berth. with a record of 29-1 they won the ASC tournament as expected. the talent they potray is top in the nation as they work together as a team with high hopes of becoming NCAA champions.

Topics are open now to anyone who like to talk about this top notch team and its players
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2006, 09:12:28 PM
Jared Rosenbaum gives his assessment of the Great Lakes bracket at the end of the second hour on the Mar 7th Hoopsville webcast!

Witt has 2 very talented big men.  Hope has good guards.  He doesn't say much about Transy or the Chocs!

Go Choctaws!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocfan0506 on March 09, 2006, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 11:10:05 PM
knight, this MC is much different than last year's team.  I thought that the addition of Timothy Broomfield was big!

I stated earlier that the critical statistic will be 28 minutes of playing time for Tyler Winford.  The Midwest/Great Lakes hates the up-tempo style of play.  Look at the ridicule that is foisted upon teams that play up-tempo (Nolan Richardson style) or Grinnell's systems.

Well, a strong inside neutralizing presence will permit the up-tempo to succeed.  However, if MissColl needs to handle a slower pace, then that falls on Winford's shoulders to neutralize the inside-out game..
Obviously u dont actually watch many of MC's games...seems to me like most of ur critiques are based upon the stats.  But when u have a team that blowing every team out by 20 points and 22 players to share 40 mins of playing time, the stats have a tendency to be rather misleading. Players like Winford stand out in blowout games all the time.  But if u carefully examine the close games ie.  Mary-Hardin Baylor, Texas-Tyler, ETBU u will find that Winford didnt excell in on any area of the court.  Not to down Winford, I think he is a very talented athlete, I just think u r giving him way too much credit for the efforts of the entire team.  MC boasts a full second stream many players some third and even one or two on the fourth stream line-up that could very well be starting on many other teams in DIII.  The range of talent on MC's team is so diverse that there is not one single player that adverages double figures (not even Winford anymore)!  However, they still keep blowing these teams out!  MC's stregnth is that the whole team is solid.  One or two players could never take the credit for that!  Stats can never define true hussle!  Thats what the CHOCTAWS do...they hussle!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 12:49:20 AM
Quote from: chocfan0506 on March 09, 2006, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 11:10:05 PM
knight, this MC is much different than last year's team.  I thought that the addition of Timothy Broomfield was big!

I stated earlier that the critical statistic will be 28 minutes of playing time for Tyler Winford.  The Midwest/Great Lakes hates the up-tempo style of play.  Look at the ridicule that is foisted upon teams that play up-tempo (Nolan Richardson style) or Grinnell's systems.

Well, a strong inside neutralizing presence will permit the up-tempo to succeed.  However, if MissColl needs to handle a slower pace, then that falls on Winford's shoulders to neutralize the inside-out game..
Obviously u dont actually watch many of MC's games...seems to me like most of ur critiques are based upon the stats.  But when u have a team that blowing every team out by 20 points and 22 players to share 40 mins of playing time, the stats have a tendency to be rather misleading. Players like Winford stand out in blowout games all the time.  But if u carefully examine the close games ie.  Mary-Hardin Baylor, Texas-Tyler, ETBU u will find that Winford didnt excell in on any area of the court.  Not to down Winford, I think he is a very talented athlete, I just think u r giving him way too much credit for the efforts of the entire team.  MC boasts a full second stream many players some third and even one or two on the fourth stream line-up that could very well be starting on many other teams in DIII.  The range of talent on MC's team is so diverse that there is not one single player that adverages double figures (not even Winford anymore)!  However, they still keep blowing these teams out!  MC's stregnth is that the whole team is solid.  One or two players could never take the credit for that!  Stats can never define true hussle!  Thats what the CHOCTAWS do...they hussle!

We find out on Friday night.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2006, 01:16:08 AM
Quote from: chocfan0506 on March 09, 2006, 12:35:18 AM
Obviously u dont actually watch many of MC's games...seems to me like most of ur critiques are based upon the stats. 

Y did u delete ur username? Afraid people would find out who u r?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 01:53:29 AM
Chocfan, I felt I owed you a more complete answer.

Pat Coleman has posted an interesting note concerning your username.

Transy may not be the hardest challenge you will face.  It is just the most important game you are playing,  the next one.

Transy has played the same 5 starters: Bain, Howard, Pendleton, Searle and Finke.  Verax has 16 minutes; everyone else less than 10.  Their starters look like very savvy players.  If they were taller and quicker, they would be playing Big Ten.... but they are smart enough tho'.

http://www.transy.edu/pages/athletics/m_basketball/06seasonbox.htm

I think that your transition game and up-tempo pace will wear out Transy.  It may be a usual MC game, pull away by the 30th minute.

Joey Searle (6' 6" 185 lbs) and Matt Finke (6'5" 205) are good inside players who can shoot the 3FG.  Bain and Howard have 3FG pg averages of  40.9% and 34.4%.

Those players are comparable to the best in the ASC, like UT-D's Jay Swafford, UT-T's Brandon Weasby or TLU's Will Hudson, CUA's Joel McDonald. McM's Elijah Bryant or SRSU's Sidney Hooper, except they have 2 of them on the same team.  Even Searle and Finke can hit the 3FG's at 37.7 and 35.4, respectively.  They hit the 3FG better than anyone in the ASC.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-menbasketball/confldrs.htm

MC's uptempo style may work against Transy, but I am especially concerned about Witt or Hope, both of which seem to be much better than Transy, and everyone of us ASC fans want MC to do very well.  As I listened to Hoopsville from the archives tonight, only Pat Cummings had MC winning this bracket.  It will be against the real powers, such as Witt or Hope, where the inside game needs to establish itself.  My usual impression is that we don't play physical inside ball in the ASC, like McM's Travis Tennison or TLU's Tommy Stolhandske, from 2005.  That is where we will need tough inside play, even plays that may not show up in the stat box.

We have something to show the country.  I think that MC has the best draw since SRSU in 2004 or McMurry in 2000, and definitely better than anything that MC has seen.  Good luck, Coach Lofton and the Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 09, 2006, 08:56:20 AM
On the off chance that chocfan0506 is an alum...I would humbly offer some mild corrections:

1.  First string, second string, ect....not stream.
2.  averages, not adverages.
3.  hustle, not hussle.
4.  strength, not stregnth.


Sorry to wander off the topic a bit, but I would certainly want to avoid the image that MC is a degree factory with a good basketball team.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on March 09, 2006, 11:11:33 AM
since when did geography and economics become the same thing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: kid nice on March 09, 2006, 11:11:33 AM
since when did geography and economics become the same thing.
when the NCAA began playing for all of the expenses to run the tournament. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: monsoon on March 09, 2006, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: kid nice on March 09, 2006, 11:11:33 AM
since when did geography and economics become the same thing.

The point is that the one affects the other.  Geography becomes such a big deal because of the economics involved - over 500 miles and you fly, and since the NCAA doesn't want to pay for that, they usually do everything possible to keep as many teams within 500 miles from home as they can.

The geography is that MC is isolated from Hope/Witt/Transy, who are all within 500 miles of each other.  Hence, we're not in Clinton because the Economics dictate that it's a whole lot cheaper to fly the Choctaws north than it is to fly the Dutchmen, Tigers, and Pioneers south.

When it comes to the D3 Tourney - geography and economics are the same thing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 09, 2006, 01:44:56 PM
if the NCAA is so interested in geography and economics...why is it in D1 last year or the year before did they send LSU to oregon and UCONN got to stay in Conn the the whole tourney...both teams were in the top 5...sorry guys they can tell you it is about cost etc...i dont't thinks so..i have to question the motive behind this nonsense
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 01:51:33 PM
Millie, the D1 Television March Madness TV contract is where D3 got the money to expand the tourneys in all D3 sports...football from 28 to 32, men's hoops from 48 to 59, women's from around 53 to 63 and baseball, volleyball, softball, soccer, field hockey, etc.

IMHO, LSU to UCONN makes "TV-ratings" sense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 09, 2006, 01:55:17 PM
ralph...i am surley NOT a LSU fan but come on Oregon????
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 02:02:42 PM
My bad, I misread the post! :-\

Nevertheless, the money from D1 is trickling to D3!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on March 09, 2006, 02:21:23 PM
ok good explanation, but my point was does the NCAA not make enough money to be able to fly 3 teams instead of 1. I understand all of this i guess i am just being a bit one-sided. It just does not reward the number one seed no matter who it might be.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 09, 2006, 03:36:32 PM
you know nice kid i guess we have all beaten this horse to death...there is nothing we can do about MC not hosting....i just hope that they can go north and make the south proud(we will be proud no matter what happens)....lets look at it this way ... in the true tradition of the ASC...if they lose we will have an excuse....

go choctaws....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 09, 2006, 03:59:05 PM
I love it - already saying "if we lose we have an excuse"
Not confident about the Choctaws being good enough to win on the road?
If you win the sectional & make it to the Final Four, that is the time to tell the committee you deserve consideration next year
Best philosophy is just to play your best, win games, become a name the committee sees every year at the top & you will get your chance to host eventually
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 04:42:22 PM
This issue was why I started the "Greater Inequity" Poll on the multi-region board.

The fans in the power conferences don't like having to play one another so early in the tourney, like Auburn having to play Georgia in the first round of a mythical football playoff.

knightmoves, respectfully, the dollars involved in these transactions cannot be mitigated by reputation.

In Fall 2003, Trinity men were the #1 soccer seed and eventually national Champions.   They hosted one game inthe first round and were sent on the road from there.

In 2004, UMHB was Stagg Bowl runner-up.  The next year, Trinity was South Football Region #1 seed, UMHB was #3 seed and they faced one another in the first round, instead of #8 and #6 being flown from the east coast to Texas. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 09, 2006, 05:09:16 PM
knight....only members of the ASC can understand the sarcasim in my last post...i have never said that i did not have confidence in the choctaws ...MY choctaws...to win...i, unlike a lot of people don't get on here and tell you a bunch of garbage...because i don't know who will win...ya'll just keep underestimating us and we will see...BUT if we do win i expect to see your "happy" little booty back on this board eating crow...
we are playing for the 2006 championship...not next year, or the next year ... this year!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 07:27:08 PM
Quote from: knightmoves on March 09, 2006, 03:59:05 PM
I love it - already saying "if we lose we have an excuse"
Not confident about the Choctaws being good enough to win on the road?
...

Knight I missed one other aspect of Millie's remark.  The ASC is probably the toughest road conference in the country.

With the inter-divisional format, MissColl hosted 4 of the West teams this season, the ASC West #1, #T2, #T4 and #T4.  Their only loss was to UMHB (#T2 in the West) 520 miles into an 1100 mile bus trip.  This year was probably an easier year on the road because of whom they hosted.

Next year, MC will have the flip schedule for inter-divisional play.

Actually getting the luxury of a flight from Jackson to central Ohio is a real bonus
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 09, 2006, 09:19:50 PM
Millie,

If you win the sectional, you can stuff all the crow down my throat you want. I will deserve it. All I know is that Calvin used to get dominated in the tournament because we weren't used to the physical style of play by the Ohio, Illinois, and East Coast schools. Since then, we have been to 4 final 4s & won 2 national championships. The main reason except for talent is because we learned to play physical & are a solid hard nosed defensive team every year. If you look at most successful DIII programs they are not "uptempo" up & down the court teams. Ralph Turner has said you are improved defensively & physically in the middle over last year. The Choctaw team I saw Calvin beat quite easily last year cannot beat Hope or Wittenburg with the style of play I saw. Have they changed enough since last year to compete with the Great Lakes teams? We'll know in a couple of days.
At the same token, if I'm right, and you get your butts kicked tomorrow or Saturday, I expect you to go on the Wittenburg Sectional bracket under the Great Lakes board & eat crow yourself.
Fair enough?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 10:03:39 PM
Quote from: knightmoves on March 09, 2006, 09:19:50 PM

... All I know is that Calvin used to get dominated in the tournament because we weren't used to the physical style of play by the Ohio, Illinois, and East Coast schools. Since then, we have been to 4 final 4s & won 2 national championships. The main reason except for talent is because we learned to play physical & are a solid hard nosed defensive team every year. If you look at most successful DIII programs they are not "uptempo" up & down the court teams.  Ralph Turner has said you are improved defensively & physically in the middle over last year. The Choctaw team I saw Calvin beat quite easily last year cannot beat Hope or Wittenburg with the style of play I saw. Have they changed enough since last year to compete with the Great Lakes teams? We'll know in a couple of days.
...

knight, I agree with your assessment of what the Chocs need to do to win the national title.  If you have followed my postings, I have contended that the Chocs need to concentrate on defeating the inside game against the "guys with the big thighs and barrel chests".

I don't doubt the conditioning of the Chocs in a slow down game.  However, I will pick on Tyler Winford again, and state my prediction that he must get 28 minutes in that type of game.  He will be needed to handle the big guys and the more physical play.  If the Chocs can take a "big guy-tough physical play" team out of its game, then the Chocs can win.  That may mean that Coach Lofton may change minutes among players to meet the special challenge of the opponent.

Nevertheless, I can see that this Miss Coll team has the talent necessary to play that type of game.  If they can execute, then I believe they will be in the Final Four.

And as I look as the styles of play that may emerge to the Final Four, we are going to see quite an array of styles.  Amherst? Miss College? Lincoln? IWU? Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 09, 2006, 10:10:06 PM
knight ...i have no intentions to eat crow on this board or anywhere else...that is the reason that i have never said that MC WILL win...i really do know...ya'll keep talking so much about last year and other years...my experience with D3 is that the whole make up of a team can change from year to year, granted you have the same coaches but the turn over of players (their size and ability) can be dramatic...one year you may be very strong and athletic and next year you may be run and gun..shoot the lights out...

hey ralph..it sounds to me you have made the ASC road trips also...last year and the year before my husband and i did not miss a game..yes..MC to abiline (3 times last year), brownwood, alpine, seguin, kerrville, dallas, arkansas, louisiana and all points in between....we had a blast...touring every little town on every little pig trail...i have stopped at every antique store between alpine and brownwood...would not trade those 2 years for any thing...a lot of the games (far away) we would be the only MC girls fans there...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2006, 10:58:48 PM
Mille, my ancesters settled in west Texas in the late 19th century.  I love that country.  I love the big sky, and the horizons 40 miles away. :)

I love driving I-20 west of Weatherford.   Altho' both sides of my folks have been in Texas since the 1850's, my daughters went to Auburn  WAREAGLE!.   I have gained a greater appreciation of the Deep South, and I-20 to Cuba, AL then to Union, and Demopolis, and Selma, and Montgomery, and Tuskegee, and Auburn, then Opelika... :)

Travel safely, Choc fans and all fans! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 09, 2006, 11:05:25 PM
ralph... i have found the best way to travel the US is to have a child that lives somewhere else OR plays college bball...before we were D3...we were D2 and learned anything you wanted to know about arkansas...there are a lot of great states out there just calling my name.

good luck to all..but best of luck to Mississippi College
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocfan0506 on March 10, 2006, 02:13:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 09, 2006, 01:16:08 AM
Quote from: chocfan0506 on March 09, 2006, 12:35:18 AM
Obviously u dont actually watch many of MC's games...seems to me like most of ur critiques are based upon the stats. 

Y did u delete ur username? Afraid people would find out who u r?
I only deleted the username because I didn't expect anyone to respond to the assertions I presented.  I only intended to clarify the contention that MC is dependent upon Winford for success (if that was the case, they would have won last year...he had a much better season last year). I was simply requesting that the whole team be given their rightful recognition for the team's success.  Reading the postings, I noticed that some players receive credit for the entire team's performance.  I was only making the clarification that the team is not depended upon certain players like many other teams.  I do, however, appreciate the grammatical critiques provided by NCCHOCTAW.  The response was written in shorthand.  On a side note, no one knows yet who will win this weekend, but I do think that many of these postings underestimate the Choctaws.  Go Choctaws!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 10, 2006, 07:22:56 AM
My corrections were not a personal jab, but more of an opportunity to poke fun.  No harm intended.  On the same note, call it what you want, but "hussle" for "hustle" does not look any shorter.   :)

Moving on, I finally saw what I needed to see.  Someone actually mentioned MC and a national championship in the same sentence.  Kudos, Ralph.  I understand that it is not a prediction, but an acknowledgement of the possibility is nice to see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 10, 2006, 08:19:33 AM
Ralph,

I agree with your assessment of what the Chocs need to do, but take exception at the "big thighs & barrel chests" remark. You won't see that on Hope's or Witt's team. They both have some big boys, but with the exception of Voison on Hope, are very athletic.Hope actually loves to run when given the opportunity, but also very good at the half court set. They also play tenacious defense. Watch out for their full court trap just when you least expect it. Even the teams that play them all the time get caught off guard because you never know when it's coming.
Well, good luck tonight. Actually I wouldn't mind in the future if MC hosts. I have been through Mississippi but never spent any time there. I know it's much warmer this time of year than Michigan & your "Golden Dome" looks pretty cool on MC's website.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scott_leo on March 10, 2006, 10:19:01 AM
LIVE COVERAGE OF WITTENBERG SECTIONAL
(Friday and Saturday)

http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/news/2006releases/03_09.html

Live Video (with audio) via Teamline:
http://www.teamline.cc/sportpages.html?teamcode=1098&eventcode=0021

Live Audio only:
http://www4.wittenberg.edu/news/athletics/broadcast/

All games also broadcast in Springfield on 89.1 FM

Friday coverage begins with Pre-Game Show at 5:30pm
(including interviews with coaches)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 10, 2006, 07:25:56 PM
oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: knightmoves on March 10, 2006, 07:36:02 PM
Millie,

Note my earlier score prediction: 75-60; Just a little off; it's what happens when you play against a good defensive team that knows how to slow down the tempo. 18 points below MC's season average. Not a good way to convince the committee you should get to host.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 10, 2006, 07:47:22 PM
Seems like a moot point for hosting.  From all indications, convincing the committee to fly three teams instead of one is the key...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 10, 2006, 07:48:12 PM
On a related note, congratulations to Transy.  Play well tomorrow, make the loss a bit more bearable.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 10, 2006, 11:17:26 PM
Sorry ASC, Chocs couldnt get it done. MC's speed and quickness has been a key all year long, but tonight the Chocs seemed a step slow at everything they did. Transy    hit  4 banked 3's with the shot clock running down. It was obviously their  night. Not making excuses or taking away from the game played by Transy but MC's Orlando Lewis played with the Flu and the bug apparently affected others. Chocs finish a great year 29-2 and return 6 solid starters with Collins, Eugene, Jones, Winford, Broomfield, and Hudson.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 02:14:39 AM
Still proud of you Choctaws!!!

You carried the MC/ASC banner well!

Thanks for a great year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 09:44:02 AM
Thanks to Wittenberg for the video streaming that allowed us to see the game. 

I just caught Transy's buzzer beater in the first half to give them a 35-30 lead.

By the second half, I was able to see what MC was doing.  I missed whatever had happened in the first half that had been  demonstrated not to work against Transy, but Transy clearly dominated the Choctaws and took away any advanatges of athleticism and quickness.

By the time I started watching the second half, Mississippi College was very rarely pressing, but was allowing Transy to walk the ball up the court and execute with surgical precision their half court offense.  The pace of play did not take the physical toll on the Transy Players in this game,  because 4 players had more than 33 minutes.

The stats show that Transy was 26-51 on FG's for 51%.  On 3FG's, they were an incredible 11-26 or 42%.  They scored 63 points on 51 FG attempts.  They hit 13-19 FT's.  Transy was outrebounded 33 to 35 by the Chocs, but the difference in that number was offensive boards.  Transy had 7 offensive boards to 13 for the Chocs, but Transy made the same number of FG's on 10 fewer attempts.  On the defensive side, Transy had 26 defensive rebounds to 22 for Mississippi College.  They seem to have done a better job of sealing out MC.

The MC defense did not seem to impact the game. They caused only 6 turnovers, only 3 steals and no blocked shots!

On the offensive side for the Choctaws, they were cold from beyond the arc.  Twelve players got 8 minutes are more, so that 4 for 19 on 3FG's is really ugly.  No one was hitting.  The Chocs were 26-61 on FG's for 42.6%, 4-19 on 3FG's for only 21% and 8 for 15 on FT's, 53.3%.  Those FG stats mean that MC was 22-42 on 2 point FG's, but either that shot was not available on that shot clock, or Transy had prevented the players who were on that wave of players from penetrating insde and were left with a 3FG that they seldom hit.  With so few points from the transition game, we could not compensate or overcome the standard half court set defense.  On the boards, the Chocs had 13 offensive rebounds and 22 defensive for a total of 35.  The key stat that I wanted to see for a Choctaw victory was 28 minutes by the Chocs best "half court" offensive player, IMHO, Tyler Winford.  He only played 21 minutes.

The ASC is not going to defeat a midwestern/Great Lakes Region/Midwest Region team on the halfcourt game.  Those midwesterners are too fundamentally sound and are much better shooters in a half court game.  We have never beaten them in the playoffs!

I get to boast this in bold maroon fonts...

McMurry is the only ASC team to make the Elite 8!

Arguably, the closest that the ASC has come to breaking thru that glass ceiling was the 2004 Sweet 16 OT loss by SRSU to Lawrence, which lost to National Champion UW-SP the next night in OT  The 2004 Lobos style of play was the exact opposite of MC.

Travel safely, Choctaws!  Congratulations on the season. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FISHTANKFAN on March 11, 2006, 10:46:51 AM
Good Luck tonight Marlins!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on March 11, 2006, 01:23:22 PM
we CHOKED CHOKED CHOKED CHOKED CHOKECHCHOKED OKED D CHOKED CHOKED CHOKED CHOKEDCHOCHOKED KED  CHOKED CHOKED CHOKCHOCHOKED KED ED


Overall a great year though, congrats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 11, 2006, 04:25:11 PM
Thanks, Ralph, for the detailed analysis.  When you see a team as good as the Chocs looked, and look at their season record, and then suddenly read that they have lost, it's always a bit perplexing.  Your comments help fill in the holes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on March 12, 2006, 12:04:32 PM
any predictions for next year.  Mississippi looks like they will repeat and host next year with their returners.  Thw west looks wide open again.  Wheeler and Johnson return for HPU, HSU returns al five starters,UMHB's hailed recruiting class of last year will get to see substantial minutes, and MCM will recruit well as always.  I like the experience HSU has coming back, they beat six out of the eight teams that went to the tournament this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 12, 2006, 04:07:34 PM
Don't forget about Concordia, ended up strong and most everyone is back.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on March 13, 2006, 12:16:17 PM
knight...i have not been in hiding since MC loss...had a very busy weekend...youngest daughter announced that she is getting married...had to put bball on hold...there are other things more important than basketball if you can believe that.

as for the committee...knight you do not get to "try to convience" the after the game is played...that is dumb...just have to wonder is the out come would have been the same if the top team got to host...IMHO i don't think so...

NCCHOCTAW put it best......oh well...

we are still proud of our boys....may be next year
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on March 13, 2006, 07:31:33 PM
your right jmnaseum, concordia will be a sleeper team.  they played well at times, just don't know if that system can take them to the conf. tournament.  At least until they get the athletes needed to do so.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 14, 2006, 09:47:29 AM
I think kidnice makes a good point....choked, choked, choked.  It is disappointing to see another opportunity wasted. (to steal a line from Mr. Turner.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2006, 08:09:38 PM
Congratulatons to Sidney Hooper, SRSU, on being named South Region POTY! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SulrossBBall on March 14, 2006, 09:31:04 PM
Awesome season to MC....very talented team! Also congrats to the bro Sid Hooper on making the South Region 1st Team and also the Player of the Year Honors for the South region and an awesome career here at Sul Ross. Congrats to Cedric Isom and Valentino Maxwell for outstanding seasons and making the South Region 1st Team. Also Kendrick Johnson, Mardochee Jean, and Tyler Winford for South Region 3rd Team.....great seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 20, 2006, 04:03:49 PM
The choctaws had a defining season proving that they have what it takes to compete. TYLER WINFORD in only two seasons of play has lead the team in most catergories. with TIMOTHY BROOMFIELD transferring and LONNIE VASQUEZ in his last season the down low game was incredible. The chocs just didn't play to theor utmost potential against transy. Trying to keep the game at a half-court showdown was the first mistake. The players have some great talent and execution skills when they are pressed and do some pressing. Also to play a half-court game the  half-court players have to play. but TYLER WINFORD the team's half-court leader only clocked about 21 minutes. The team also had a few players trying to recooperate from the flu.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2006, 01:12:37 AM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on March 20, 2006, 04:03:49 PM
... Trying to keep the game at a half-court showdown was the first mistake. The players have some great talent and execution skills when they are pressed and do some pressing. Also to play a half-court game the  half-court players have to play. but TYLER WINFORD the team's half-court leader only clocked about 21 minutes. The team also had a few players trying to recooperate from the flu.

Right on chocsrock, Transy had too much talent in the standard half-court game.  Miss Coll let them walk the ball up the court.  In a half-court game I thought that the Transy would handle the Chocs very easily.

I was shocked to see MIss Coll showing no pressure on the Transy ball-handlers.  Miss Coll forfeited their greatest asset, their depth.  I counted 64 possessions for Transy.  Miss Coll did not have them dragging their tongues.  In the McMurry game, I counted 93 possessions.  I honestly don't believe that Transy could have run with the Choctaws.  I thought that the Choctaws were 12+ players deep and Transy only 6-7 deep. :(  If you were only going to play Winford for 21 minutes,  then why run the game at a 64 possession tempo?

I watched the video stream of the game.  I was shocked that Transy was walking the ball up the court against no pressure.  As a former second string church league point guard, I could have brought the ball up the court for Transy.  There was disruption of the point guard's rhythm or concentration.  He could watch the offense set up to the called play.  The Transy players could blow in the 6-7 secs before the offense started moving.  Transy would then execute their half-court offense, until it found that 40% 3FG attempt and make it!  Miss Coll would walk the ball back up the court, the Transy big men would catch their breath and then fill in the lane...no chance for transition, no hurry-up, no pushing the Transy depth.  The better McMurry teams have been good at getting deep into the bench, so that the #9 or #11 McMurry player is whipping the #9 or #11 opponent.  Miss Coll did not try to do that, and I bet that the #11 Miss Coll athlete was a better athlete than the #11 Transy player, but we didn't find out.

Chocsrock, I repsectfully disagree with your assessment about the season.  The Chocs had no proving to do about getting to the Sweet 16.  They gotten to the Sweet 16 in 1999 and 2005 and lost both times by double-digit margins.  They lost by 21 points in 1999 amd by 15 points in 2005.  They were run-away pre-season favorites to win the ASC-East and were even picked #2 in the Nation by Street and Smith. #2!  You have to be pretty disappointed in that!

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/51026menbasketball-preseasonpoll.htm

IMHO, the best chance that we ASC teams have in getting further in the tourney is not to fall into the half-court game that those Midwest and Great Lakes Region teams play.  VWC played an aggressive style that we can copy, and they kept coming back to win.

We get to try again next year.  Good luck in the off-season, and schedule those D3 opponents for non-conference games!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 21, 2006, 01:58:52 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2006, 01:12:37 AM
They were run-away pre-season favorites to win the ASC-East and were even picked #2 in the Nation by Street and Smith. #2!  You have to be pretty disappointed in that!

I am constantly disappointed in the S&S preseason ranking.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 21, 2006, 11:01:31 AM
Pat:  Has S&S ever gotten it right?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 21, 2006, 07:07:19 PM
S&S constantly gets it wrong cause they focus on D1 schools the high schools had more pages then D2 and D3. If they want to properly predict the rankings they need to pay attention to the detals. I did get disappointed but next year the stakes will be better. Returning 6 key players and bringing freshman like STEVEN BLEVINS, who led the MPSA his senior year, could lead to an even better season than this year was expected.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on March 30, 2006, 02:05:14 PM
Any news on the early recruiting front?  Mainly the west.   Nothing on Texas Hoops yet.  I know it is early just wondering if there have been any verbals?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on March 30, 2006, 02:43:10 PM
I would think that since the signing date isn't until April 9th, none of us will get many commitments until after that date.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on March 30, 2006, 03:31:40 PM
I know that's usually when it all happens coach, sometimes D3 gets lucky and get a few earlier.  I like reading the signings as they happen every year.  Good luck with your recruiting coach.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 30, 2006, 10:27:41 PM
Any coaches on the move?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on April 03, 2006, 03:50:51 PM
Davalos is about to get the Texas State job. 

Congratulations to him.  He did a very good job at SRSU. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2006, 04:45:45 PM
Here is the  Texas State-Doug Davalos Press Release (http://txstatebobcats.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040306aad.html)!

Carl, your web browser is faster than mine.   :D

The press release was not available at 2:50 pm!


Congratulations to Coach Davalos!  Good luck in the new post!


Proud SWTSC heritage there for the Davalos' family!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on April 03, 2006, 07:58:41 PM
Ralph,

It isn't the web browser.  I just am more connected than you.

:o
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2006, 08:50:16 PM
Quote from: carlweathers on April 03, 2006, 07:58:41 PM
Ralph,

It isn't the web browser.  I just am more connected than you.

:o

Thanks for posting it, Carl! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: 321inandout on April 04, 2006, 11:47:33 AM
Wow Coach Davalos to Texas State.  Good luck coach and make the ASC proud on another level.  Any other changes in the ASC?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on April 06, 2006, 04:39:59 PM
Apparently Russ Vanlandingham is leaving McMurry.

Will be a disappointment for McMurry people who were hoping to recapture the Holmes-Vanlandingham magic of years past but he will be moving on to an exciting job with a familiar face. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on April 07, 2006, 01:45:36 AM
With all the "issues" this last season, V's departure may actually be the best thing for the Indians.  Did anyone notice the lack of a single freshman on the team this last year?  Ever wonder why?  Best of luck to Coach V, but he won't be missed by most of the team.  We had the talent this last year, but Coach V didn't have the glue to hold them together.  I really think Coach Holmes knows what to do to get the Indians back up on top, let's hope he does it.  He will have few returners for next year, so this can either be a rebuilding year where he establishes a solid foundation for the next few years, or he pull in 8 or 9 JC transfers, like they did last year.  I opt for the stong foundation route.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: maroon_fan on April 07, 2006, 02:07:22 PM
McM Fanatic-

Sounds like YOU had some issues with Coach V.....
We will miss you Coach...good luck at Texas State....I know you and Davalos will do really well!!!  Don't forget about us here at McMurry!!!
Thank you for everything that you do!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on April 10, 2006, 09:14:28 AM
Two great coaches working for one program now.  Which one will get the first technical?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2006, 03:17:55 PM
McMurry Press Release for Coach Russ Vanlandingham (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/041006b.htm)

Congratulations to Coach V!

We are happy for your success.

We know that you will always be a McMurry Indian.

I imagine that Texas State will see a turnaround in their program very quickly.

Also, note that Coach Davalos consulted Coach V about the McMurry system when he went to SRSU. IMHO, that is the only system that we in the ASC can run to have any success at the national level.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2006, 04:43:48 PM
Sul Ross fans, if y'all have surfed the other conferences on these message boards, you will acknowledge the extremely high esteem with which Coach Scott Trost is held by IWU fans and others in the CCIW.

Coach Trost is leaving Illinois Wesleyan to go to a D2, Lewis University.  With all of the acclaim that is passed around by the intelligentsia, it is truly significant that Coach Davalos is the one who is going to a D1!

Congratulations to Coach Davalos and his new staff of assistants!

But Texas State-San Marcos?  What a dorky name!!!  What other "Texas State names" will we next? Texas State-San Angelo (http://www.tsus.edu/)?

You could have re-named your school after a former alumnus and the 36th President of the United States and in fine tradition with those other outstanding patriarchal Texans,  Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin, Mirabeau B Lamar, Sullivan Ross. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on April 11, 2006, 10:11:53 PM

We are very happy and excited about Coach D getting the chance to showcase his coaching talents at Texas State - San Marcos. It was an honor to play under and learn from him these last four years. He has taught me so much not only about basketball but also about life. God does great things for good people and Coach Davalos is a good example of that.

I just hope we here at Sul Ross will continue to play at the same level Coach Davalos brought here four years ago.

I do plan on being at the first game he coaches there.

Go Lobos and Bobcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SRLobo51 on April 11, 2006, 10:18:30 PM
But Texas State-San Marcos?  What a dorky name!!!  What other "Texas State names" will we next? Texas State-San Angelo (http://www.tsus.edu/)?

You could have re-named your school after a former alumnus and the 36th President of the United States and in fine tradition with those other outstanding patriarchal Texans,  Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin, Mirabeau B Lamar, Sullivan Ross. :-\
Quote

Dr. Turner,

How about Texas State - Alpine?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2006, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: SRLobo51 on April 11, 2006, 10:18:30 PM
But Texas State-San Marcos?  What a dorky name!!!  What other "Texas State names" will we next? Texas State-San Angelo (http://www.tsus.edu/)?

You could have re-named your school after a former alumnus and the 36th President of the United States and in fine tradition with those other outstanding patriarchal Texans,  Sam Houston, Stephen F. Austin, Mirabeau B Lamar, Sullivan Ross. :-\
Quote

Dr. Turner,

How about Texas State - Alpine?

No!  Say it ain't so! ;)

:D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on April 13, 2006, 12:25:34 AM
Ralph,  It would not surprise me to see several more schools which are under to Texas State University System be offered the opportunity over time to more closely identify with the System by changing their name.  The University of Texas System and Texas A & M systems have done some of that.  Is the change in the best interest of all concerned, who can say.  Texas State University seems to perfer their new name to Southwest Texas State Teachers College. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2006, 01:03:43 AM
It makes you wonder when the system of Teachers' Colleges was divvied up.

West Texas State Teachers College, East Texas State Teachers College in the A&M System

Stephen F Austin State Teachers College, Sam Houston State Teachers College, Sul Ross State Teachers College and Southwest Texas State Teachers College in the TSU System.

North Texas State Teachers College in its system.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 21, 2006, 08:38:23 PM
Gonzalo Garza (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/041806.htm) has been hired as assistant coach at McMurry.

Coach Garza is from the Valley, where McMurry has recruited very good players including All-ASC Juan Muniz and 2nd team All-American Alex Denson.

Welcome to McMurry!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on April 24, 2006, 02:32:27 PM
you heard it here first, don't be surprised to see another old face on the bench in the asc for next season
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on April 24, 2006, 11:20:37 PM
That old face is Mike Jones(286-94). Lofton(92-23) moves to associate head coach. Now MC will have the biggest and best two coaches in the ASC. m
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on April 27, 2006, 02:19:02 PM
Expect a little more discipline from the Choctaws next season with the Bear back on the bench. Coach Lofton opened things up a little and hopefully Coach Jones won't take his foot off the gas completely.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 03, 2006, 11:14:46 AM
I don't want to start something if there's nothing here, but the whole coaching change thing at MC strikes me as a little bit strange.

I mean, I could potentially buy into the concept that an AD would like to shed his/her administrative responsibilities (and the higher salary that goes with those responsibilities, by the way...) to return to their first passion:  coaching.  I could potentially buy into that, because not everyone wants to be an administrator, and coaching is something that requires a lot of passion for the profession.  So I think it's plausible.

But what I can't buy into is a current head coach--a fairly successful one, at that--actually lobbying someone to come in and take over for him.  That just plain goes against the ultra-competitive nature these folks have to have in order to be successful.  Maybe after one or two years, but certainly not after four.

Maybe I'm understanding the whole thing the wrong way, and if I am, then I apologize in advance for my next statement.

Something smells fishy about this whole thing at MC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on May 03, 2006, 02:35:53 PM
I'm sure you are not the only person who thinks this, however, my source is a very good one and coach Lofton really asked Jones to come back and coach the team. Now why he decided to do this I don't know, but I know that he approached coach Jones with this and not the other way around. For those who know coach Lofton this isn't a shocking move by him.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on May 09, 2006, 05:31:27 PM
same pay, pretty much the same job.  No responsibility for the loss.  Its a win win for lofton, because when jones leaves again he will have a head job again.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on May 10, 2006, 10:08:48 AM
I heard through the grapevine that mary hardin baylor will have virginia wesleyan in their tournament next year.  should be very good competition and publicity for the asc.  hopefully they can give the conference a good showing against the defending national champs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on May 25, 2006, 11:27:52 AM
Sul Ross has hired a new men's coach.  His bio is on their website.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2006, 11:00:32 PM
Marco Borne (http://www.sulross.edu/pages/5732.asp).

Previous coaching expereince was leading Dillard University to Conference Championships in the NAIA Great South AC.

Welcome aboard, Coach Borne!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on June 21, 2006, 11:24:37 AM
New coach at Sul Ross?????   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 21, 2006, 02:22:36 PM
That's what the previous two posts were about, yes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 21, 2006, 03:31:30 PM
Culture shock?
Coming from a place with too much water and below sea level to one with not enough water and thin air. :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on June 21, 2006, 04:25:10 PM
No Pat,  I mean another coach besides Coach Borne.  It is on the Sul Ross Basketball web page.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 21, 2006, 07:29:30 PM
jmnaseum, can you post the URL to the SRSU page?  I cannot find it.

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2006, 01:28:43 PM
Sul Ross State admits to what jmnaseum posted last week, another new head coach.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 27, 2006, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 21, 2006, 03:31:30 PM
Culture shock?
Coming from a place with too much water and below sea level to one with not enough water and thin air. :P
This was made in jest, but there may have been some truth to it. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 04, 2006, 02:34:14 PM
First let me say that I am very happy to finally be able to communicate with other asc fans. I know that some people are surprised at the move made by Lofton. Let me assure you that it is a very smart move. Lofton is a better recruiter than head coach. Lets face it the chocs underacheived last year. With this move the players will be put in more comfortable situations. Devin Jones and Jonathan Collins are very special players that would have been stars on any other team. The chocs have the best down low game with Broomefield and Winford, Jones and Eugene are explosive on the wings, and a point guard in Collins that did nothing but lead the league in a/to ratio last season. His freshman year he averaged 11.2 points per game at Letourneau. He has showed in his first two seasons that he can do it all as a point guard. Look for him to finally become one of the best all around point guards any where on any team. With a team that will not be as deep as last year's team look for Collins, Broomefield, Winford, Jones, and Eugene to lead the chocs to another very dominant championship run THROUGH THE ASC.

I forgot to mention that the chocs always recruit well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcplya02 on July 06, 2006, 11:07:11 AM
I know its summer but lets get some predictions for next season. I want to know who will win the west, who will win the east and who will become confrence champion.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: murryman on July 11, 2006, 09:42:00 AM
MCPLAYA what are you smoking??UNDERACHieVED?? Since when is 29-2 underachieving? Sure they lost to a less then impressive Transy team, but thats what will happen when you dont bring your A game. Coach Lofton might be a great recruiter but hes obviously a great coach to. You also talk alot about Collins, if I remeber hes the short but very quick left handed back-up point guard. In the ASC tourney our team played off of him because he couldnt  shoot, he is just a great driver but has a huge weakness. Also ill point out that he might have led the league in assist/tourney ratio, but only playing 20 minutes a game keeps a player from getting tired which will cause many tournovers.  GO McMurry
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on July 12, 2006, 03:07:31 PM
Miss. College 06-07 Schedule

NOV  20  Wesley College                   Golden Dome
NOV  25  Mary Hardin Baylor             Golden Dome
NOV  27  Concordia                           Golden Dome
NOV  30  McMurry                              Abilene, Tx
DEC    2   Hardin Simmons                 Abilene, Tx
DEC  12   Fisk                                    Golden Dome
DEC  16   Scheiner                             Kerrville,Tx
DEC  18   Texas Lutheran                  Seguin,Tx
DEC  29   Tom Byron Classic              Santa Barbara,Cal
DEC  30   Tom Byron Classic              Santa Barbara,Cal
JAN    4    Sul Ross State                    Alpine,Tx
JAN    6    Howard Payne                    Brownwood,Tx
JAN   11   Texas-Dallas                       Golden Dome
JAN   13   Texas-Tyler                         Golden Dome
JAN   16   Louisana Coll.                     Pineville,La
JAN   20   Ozarks                                Clarksville,Ar
JAN   25   Letourneau                         Golden Dome
JAN   27   East Texas Baptist              Golden Dome
FEB    1    Letourneau                         Longview,Tx
FEB    3    East Texas Baptist              Marshall,Tx
FEB    6    Lousiana Coll.                      Golden Dome
FEB   10   Ozarks                                 Golden Dome
FEB   16   Texas-Dallas                        Richardson,Tx
FEB   18   Texas-Tyler                          Tyler,Tx
FEB   23-25   ASC Tourney                   East Champs Home


**There is a possibility of there being one other non-conference game**
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 12, 2006, 07:57:36 PM
MC has a good schedule this year.

The Tom Byron Classic (http://cgi2.westmont.edu/blogs/athletics/mens-basketball/mens-basketball-schedule/) has a chance to be high profile!  The other opponents are host Westmont, Johns Hopkins and Thomas More KY.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 12, 2006, 10:39:44 PM
Westmont is always a top NAIA team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcballa22jc on July 14, 2006, 08:56:22 PM
Murryman you are right I did struggle with my jumper last year. If I had to guard myself I would probably do the same thing. And please tell me that the A/to thing means nothing and that my weakness is my jumper. I need to hear these things it only makes me work harder. I cant wait to play you guys. It is always a fun game and your team always plays hard. I hope you guys have another great season. Good luck to you guys next year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 21, 2006, 08:48:10 AM
Per the update on the CUA Web-site, it appears that wheels are turning for purchasing 385 acres, including a nature preserve, of the former Schlumberger campus. The university is now in the "due-diligence" phase for both this purchase and the sale of the current campus.

It would be a beautiful location, though I'd shed a tear or two if the old campus is demolished (I lived there for seven years: four for high school, two for college, and one as a grad student at UT).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on July 25, 2006, 02:59:59 AM
Does anyone have any idea who or what the Indians will have this season.  I've heard there are few guys returning, so maybe this is another rebuilding year?  Anyone with any insight, your thoughts would be welcome. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on July 31, 2006, 08:00:59 PM
Westmont,     Had a fair year last year.  18-13
Middle of their league,  no playoffs.

Beautiful campus,  on the coast.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on July 31, 2006, 08:14:33 PM
Patrick Oliver a Senior Forward from this past seasons UMHB Crusaders signed a 1-year contract with the Bjolnir club, a pro basketball team in icealnd he will be competing in the Iceland Express leauge which is the top leauge in Iceland.  We wish patrick the best of luck, represent the ASC!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on August 03, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
McMurry has just lost their final appeal with the NCAA about having "Indians" as a mascot/logo.

Here's the McMurry response:

http://www.mcm.edu/newsite/web/univ_relations/NCAAfinaldecision.htm

(It's a sad day.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on August 09, 2006, 04:20:38 PM
UMHB Junior has serious health problems.

http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2006/8/9/33660
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on August 09, 2006, 05:27:28 PM
That is very sad to hear.  I'm sure everybody is hoping for the best with Ryan.  He was definitely one guy that was going to be an impact this year.  Hopefully he'll be able to live a full normal life soon.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on August 10, 2006, 06:47:54 AM
Follow up article on Ryan Burgart

http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2006/8/10/33684
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 10, 2006, 08:22:29 AM
My frustration is what is the name of the parasite and where and how did he get it.

Of course, the newspaper reporter either didn't ask or HIPAA prohibitions prevented it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on August 10, 2006, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 10, 2006, 08:22:29 AM
My frustration is what is the name of the parasite and where and how did he get it.

Of course, the newspaper reporter either didn't ask or HIPAA prohibitions prevented it.


It must be the MD in you ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 10, 2006, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: imad3fanatic on August 10, 2006, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 10, 2006, 08:22:29 AM
My frustration is what is the name of the parasite and where and how did he get it.

Of course, the newspaper reporter either didn't ask or HIPAA prohibitions prevented it.
It must be the MD in you ::) ::) ::)
LOL  :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on August 11, 2006, 09:40:34 PM
A couple of the games on the MC schedule i posted earlier were wrong. Go to www.gochoctaws.com to get the correct one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on August 12, 2006, 05:28:32 AM
UMHB hosting Cru Holiday Classic Dec. 29/30. UMHB, HSU, Ripon and defending D3 Champs Virginia Wesleyan will participate. Great to see ASC teams playing highly rated competition.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on August 14, 2006, 08:13:26 PM
The Choctaws should have the best team they have ever had this year. With Collins, Eugene, Broomfield, Jones, Winford, and Hudson returning they have the leadership and players they need to win. But like always they bring in alot of players. There is like 7 juco transfers coming in. Also 1 from Miss Valley and West Alabama, and a 6'4 guard from Oak Hill Academy. This might be their year....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on August 16, 2006, 02:10:00 AM
McM finally has their schedule posted on their website.  Looks like they're taking on Div I Sam Houston State this year.    8)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on September 18, 2006, 09:06:13 PM
This chat room sure has been quiet lately.  How is everybody looking?  Teams should be in full swing of preseason by now.  Who is gonna win the west? Is there gonna be any surprises in the east?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2006, 08:51:35 PM
I see that Travis Tennison has landed on the roster at Incarnate Word.

http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/basketball_men/roster.html

I have no substantiation of his scholarship status, but I do know that he was welcome at McMurry anytime that he wanted to resume his education.

I hope he parlayed McMurry's interest into a good economic package! ;)

Good luck, Travis.  My prayers are with you and your family, always! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on October 09, 2006, 08:32:36 PM
124 hours to Midnight Madness  @ McM!!!!!  Any sneak peaks from the locals?  ???   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on October 17, 2006, 01:59:44 PM
Pre-Season picks are in-

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0607/61017menbasketball-preseasonpoll-asc.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2006, 12:32:40 AM
Hopefully the ASC will start posting press releases on our site again. That would've been good to have a week ago.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Charge taker on October 31, 2006, 01:56:17 PM
Has anybody heard anything about UTD this year? I'm pretty sure they have a bunch of new guys.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2006, 11:19:17 AM
Quote from: Charge taker on October 31, 2006, 01:56:17 PM
Has anybody heard anything about UTD this year? I'm pretty sure they have a bunch of new guys.

Charge taker, you asked the same question in fall of 2005 and then did not contribute anything else for the rest of the season.   :-\

UT-D has a good web page, but because their games are not broadcasted, we sometimes have delays in getting good info.

I encourage you to post this season:  facts, game reports, eyewitness accounts and anything else that you know this board likes to read, both here and on the women's board.

Have a good season and we look forward to your future reports on the Comets and their opponents! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Charge taker on November 01, 2006, 03:31:25 PM
I was playing for UTD last year and then I got hurt and kind of lost contact with Coach Butterfield. I transfered schools this semester and I havent seen the guys play. I only know for sure that Travis Carruthers, Martin Salinas,  and Ernest Lowery are back. I would think Tyrone Hurt will be back and hopefully Chris Riley who didn't play last year because of a shoulder injury will suit up for the comets. The most talented player for UTD is Mike Mckey he didn't get much PT last year, but he could be a major  player in the conference if Coach lets him do what he is capable of.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 01, 2006, 04:39:56 PM
Ralph, you have an amazing memory.  The Choctaws should be better in the half court game this year (have to be to get past sweet 16) with Coach Jones back.  His teams from the past were really good in thier half court offense and half court defense.  Could they possibly improve on 29-2?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2006, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: kid nice on November 01, 2006, 04:39:56 PM
Ralph, you have an amazing memory.  The Choctaws should be better in the half court game this year (have to be to get past sweet 16) with Coach Jones back.  His teams from the past were really good in thier half court offense and half court defense.  Could they possibly improve on 29-2?
Kid, part of my compaints about Miss Coll in the post-season is that they rarely give anyone any trouble!

I thought that they did not play as aggressively as they should have.  I thought that the Chocs #8-#12 players were more athletic than Transylvania's and the Transy players did not even crack a sweat.  There was not back court pressure on Transy!

Do you remember the MC-McM battles in the early part of the decade?  Those teams left it all on the court.  From the video feed that I saw from the Sweet 16, MC did not challenge Transy's game, style or endurance.  IMHO, the Chocs played right into the Transy style of play.

Again, IMHO, I think that the best chance for an ASC team is to play like the 2000 and 2001 McMurry teams and the 2004 Sul Ross team.  We just don't match up well with half-court play!

If Coach Jones can get to the Elite 8 playing the slowdown half court style then I will be the first to acknowledge his success, and probably the first to announce that he has done it on this message board.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2006, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: Charge taker on November 01, 2006, 03:31:25 PM
I was playing for UTD last year and then I got hurt and kind of lost contact with Coach Butterfield. I transfered schools this semester and I havent seen the guys play. I only know for sure that Travis Carruthers, Martin Salinas,  and Ernest Lowery are back. I would think Tyrone Hurt will be back and hopefully Chris Riley who didn't play last year because of a shoulder injury will suit up for the comets. The most talented player for UTD is Mike Mckey he didn't get much PT last year, but he could be a major  player in the conference if Coach lets him do what he is capable of.

+1 karma!  Thanks for the input!  Please keep it coming!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 02, 2006, 09:51:10 AM
Ralph, yes I remember those games. I played in several of them.  I did not get a chance to see the chocs play last season, I am only going by the memory of our sweet sixteen appearence and I don't think we could have pressured those teams.  I have heard that the present team is more athletic that those teams so maybe that is there best plan of attack.  I just think when it comes down to those really tough games and the last 5 minutes, you must be able to execute in the half court.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2006, 06:54:41 PM
Quote from: kid nice on November 02, 2006, 09:51:10 AM
Ralph, yes I remember those games. I played in several of them.  I did not get a chance to see the chocs play last season, I am only going by the memory of our sweet sixteen appearence and I don't think we could have pressured those teams.  I have heard that the present team is more athletic that those teams so maybe that is there best plan of attack.  I just think when it comes down to those really tough games and the last 5 minutes, you must be able to execute in the half court.

For shear excitement and quality of play, I especially remember the 2001 second round game.  The Chocs had stomped the SCAC Champs Millsaps 61-45 and then came to McMurry and we edged you 86-82!  I listened to that game on the radio!  Wow!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on November 05, 2006, 02:02:37 PM
As a response to the Chocs situation, I think that Coach Jones has been able to really see what the team needs to do when they get to nationals because he has been on the outside looking in.  Dont get me wrong Coach Lofton is a good coach but he always said that coaches are only as good as their players.  I really think that Coach Lofton was kind of scared to take risk and play the into the talent of his team.  Many coaches are so traditional to where as they are not going to change the way that they have been doing things especially if they are winning.  At this point it is no question that the Chocs aren't winning.  It's just that now the focus is on winning a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and not just being content with winning conference every year.  So hopefully Coach Jones will come in and change the system that he originally started and get the job done.  Let's Go Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 06, 2006, 11:16:25 AM
mc boy, I think mc needs to change its style of play somewhat.  They have enough raw talent to beat 80% of the teams they play with any style, but when it comes down to the top 16 or 20 teams in the country you need to be able to have at least a few half court sets that you can execute really well.  I think they need to run and press because they have the athletes to do it,  but at some point you are going to play a team that is really good at breaking the press (ex. 00' McMurry in elite 8).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2006, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: kid nice on November 06, 2006, 11:16:25 AM
mc boy, I think mc needs to change its style of play somewhat.  They have enough raw talent to beat 80% of the teams they play with any style, but when it comes down to the top 16 or 20 teams in the country you need to be able to have at least a few half court sets that you can execute really well.  I think they need to run and press because they have the athletes to do it,  but at some point you are going to play a team that is really good at breaking the press (ex. 00' McMurry in elite 8).

Kid Nice recalls what McMurry ran into at National Champion Calvin before 4500 screaming fans in the Elite 8 game! :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 07, 2006, 11:49:04 PM
Just got back from the HPU/TSU scrimmage.  The men are looking really good.  Lost the first half by 7.  They lost the 2nd half by 16 but a lot of that was with the 2nd/3rd team against TSU's starters.  Then won the last 10 mins by 4 with pretty much all subs playing against each other.  Kendrick Johnson and Sean Wheeler are looking as good as always.  Tom Herrman(sp?) is going to be a great player for HPU.  They have some subs that will be able to come in and contribute a lot of minutes. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: choctawmaniac on November 09, 2006, 10:29:23 AM
It's been a while since I posted here. Ralph's talk about the 2001 playoff game featuring MC and McMurry brings back fond memories of a long bus trip from Clinton with a buddy of mine who actually was in my wedding. I can remember the hard-fought game it was, as were all of those contests between the Indians and Choctaws. Even though I have moved to Lincoln, Nebraska, for graduate school and won't be able to see my alma mater play in the next few years, I will be excited to see how they fare this year with the return of Jones and the promising season they are supposed to have. Now only if they can make the playoffs and get that Sweet 16 monkey off their back.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on November 09, 2006, 10:49:02 PM
MC scrimmaged William Carey monday night and beat them by about 8. MC though started out slow. Winford was off at the beginning but finished strong and sophmore Steven Blevins played a good bit and was really able to control the pace of the game. Winford ans Blevins played high school together and have a flow when out on the court at the same time but Coach Jones never had them in together. Great things can happen if the two can work together.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MissChoctaw on November 10, 2006, 03:01:05 AM
MC looked sluggish against William Carey in the first half. However they ended up winning by about ten. The chocs have great talent and depth again this year. Collins looked good leading the chocs in scoring with sixteen.Broomefield,Eugene, Jones, Evans, and Hudson all had solid games. Winford had a subpar night but we know he will be solid as always. Its scary but the chocs have a great chance to be even better than last year. They will definitely be the team to beat in the ASC and hopefully in the NATION. Good luck to all the teams as the ASC season gets ready to begin.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 10, 2006, 11:14:28 AM
Chocrock, you must be blevins himself.  This is now college basketball. Not high school ball in the MPSA.  What you did there really means nothing. I think Coach Jones and Coach Lofton probably know what they are doing and if what you say is the case (probably not) then they,or you,  will be on the court with your little buddy.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MissChoctaw on November 10, 2006, 11:54:18 AM
Kidnice, I agree that the post seems to have been written by Blevins or a family member. However Blevins did playwell and is at best a solid backup. I will keep everyone posted on how the Chocs look this year. We have a scrimmage on Sunday at two o'clock against Millsapps. How are the other teams lokking this year. I know about the returners but what about the transfers and freshman. Any impact players coming to the ASC this season?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2006, 01:41:32 PM
It is great to have all of these Choctaw fans on here.  Keep on posting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on November 10, 2006, 08:25:26 PM
Quote from: kid nice on November 10, 2006, 11:14:28 AM
Chocrock, you must be blevins himself.  This is now college basketball. Not high school ball in the MPSA.  What you did there really means nothing. I think Coach Jones and Coach Lofton probably know what they are doing and if what you say is the case (probably not) then they,or you,  will be on the court with your little buddy.
Kid, actually i ain't if ya wanna check my profile you will realize i couldn't possibly be Steven
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on November 13, 2006, 01:05:58 AM
The Chocs scrimmaged Milsaps tonight and won the game.  The guys played pretty good and they look like they are ready for the season.  Broomfield had a good night with about 12 boards and 8 points.  They are going too be very deep on the bench but I just hope Coach Jones keep the guys that are playing good in the game.  Also I hope that WInford lives up to all of the high expectations and come through for the Chocs in the clutch and not just in the regular season.  I think that they will win their division easily.  Chocs Rock!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MissChoctaw on November 13, 2006, 11:52:14 AM
MC looked very good against Millsapps. It was good to see them do well against a zone since that will be the defense that teams will try to play against MC this year. MC boy, I agree the chocs are very deep however the key will be knowing who to play and when to play them. That is a good problem for Coach Jones to have.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 13, 2006, 02:48:34 PM
I will be traveling with the McMurry team this weekend to Baltimore.  They will play in the Johns Hopkins Tournament.  Friday night they play an always consistently good program in Rowan University. Saturday they will play either Johns Hopkins or Immaculata. I will do my best to give updates throughout the weekend.

Should be interesting.  There are alot of newcomers on this year's squad and nobody knows quite what to expect.  As always I am sure McMurry will be right in the thick of the conference race.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2006, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: MissChoctaw on November 13, 2006, 11:52:14 AM
MC looked very good against Millsapps. It was good to see them do well against a zone since that will be the defense that teams will try to play against MC this year. MC boy, I agree the chocs are very deep however the key will be knowing who to play and when to play them. That is a good problem for Coach Jones to have.
If you ramp up the intensity to the levels that you saw at McMurry in 1999-2001, then you need 10-11 deep.

Everyone plays and everyone sweats!  When you are getting that level of intensity in the short spurts that you can run in an real up-tempo defense,  with short ball control cycles (you know shoot at 7 secs into the cycle instead of 7 seconds remaining on the possession clock, so you are running 80 possesions per game instead of 40-50) then everyone plays.  Otherwise, you have players that are disgruntled.

The old traditonal MC half court that I have seen just doesn't stress the opposing teams athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MissChoctaw on November 13, 2006, 07:35:09 PM
If you ramp up the intensity to the levels that you saw at McMurry in 1999-2001, then you need 10-11 deep.

Everyone plays and everyone sweats!  When you are getting that level of intensity in the short spurts that you can run in an real up-tempo defense,  with short ball control cycles (you know shoot at 7 secs into the cycle instead of 7 seconds remaining on the possession clock, so you are running 80 possesions per game instead of 40-50) then everyone plays.  Otherwise, you have players that are disgruntled.

The old traditonal MC half court that I have seen just doesn't stress the opposing teams athletes.

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Not sure I did the whole copy paste thing right but anyway. Ralph I agree that MC needs to play at least ten guys. However shooting seven seconds into the shot clock that is asking for someone shoot layups on the other end. If you have guards that can get a good shot for someone within seven seconds of the shot clock the by all means play with that philosiphy. But since there is no Steve Nash in college basketball this philosiphy should not be used. Should MC push the ball more? YES. Should they press more? YES. But not at the expense of their half court execution.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2006, 10:20:11 PM
MissChoctaw, I am not sure if you were around for those McM-MC games in 1999-2001, but McMurry could pull that one off.

2000 All-American Daniel Martinez would steal the ball (a D3 leading 6 spg) and then pass to 2001 All-American Alex Denson who would hit 2-3 3FG's in a row and then the opponent had gone from 2 down to 10 down.  By the 30th minute, our #1-5 had logged only 16-18 minutes of clock time and the other team is running out of gas or their bench cannot keep up with me or my #6-11 players who also have logged about 12-14.  Everyone plays; everyone sweats!

Alex Denson was an All-American on 21 mpg!

And the wild thing about that style is that sometimes the #9 player has the hot hand and gets double figures.  The teammates know that you feed the hot-hand on his night, because it might your hot-hand the next one.  Plus the intensity in practice thru the top 12-14 players is awesome.  Everyone knows that they are likely to see plenty of action!

I want an ASC national champion.  I was listening the night that McM lost before 4500 screaming fans at National champion Calvin in the Elite 8, the night we lost to future NBA player Horace Jenkins for national finalist Wm Paterson in 2001, and the night that SRSU lost a 17 point second half lead to Lawrence at Puget Sound in 2004 after upsetting national ranked Trinity in the second round.  IMHO, that ASC-West up-tempo style has given national teams more trouble than the MC half court style.

I know that I repeat the same thoughts, but unless Miss Coll does something different, a 29-1 Choctaw team will lose to a traditional Great Lakes team in the Sweet 16.

Miss College comes to McMurry on Nov 30th.  We will see then. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MissChoctaw on November 14, 2006, 09:59:21 AM
I totally agree that MC needs to speed up the tempo a lot more. But in the last four or five minutes the game slows down. This is where your teams half court offense and defense must be exceptional in order to win a national championship. IMHO, it is not wise to shoot the first available shot when the game is tied with two minutes left in the game. I believe this hurt McMurry in the tournament last year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 14, 2006, 10:02:20 AM
Ralph, I agree with you that the style presents problems for the opponent.  However, this style is not one that you can just start playing one day when you have been doing something else for so long.  It may not look like there is a lot of strategy to it but there is a lot of spacing and running to correct spots on the floor, getting players to be confortable handling, passing,and shooting while running at full speed.  I played in some of those games and it puts a strain on you physically, but if I remember correctly,  i think in my 4 years we ended up 4-4 against this style so I can't say that it is actually better, it is definately different.  I am in aggreement that to get past a great lakes team the choctaws will have to do something different, because what we have done in the past has not worked so far.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2006, 02:24:17 PM
Quote from: MissChoctaw on November 14, 2006, 09:59:21 AM
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I believe this hurt McMurry in the tournament last year.

I don't usually say this, but I really believe that the referees hurt us last year in the tourney!!!

The refs did not like dealing with Vanlandingham!!!  He really got on their nerves, and I think that the refs took it out on us for that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on November 14, 2006, 03:30:27 PM
RT: I've said this before.  You are 100% correct.  I was at that Calvin game in 2000.  McM had Calvin reeling after about 6-7 minutes.  Calvin finally figured the only way to play/win was do what McM was doing, only do it better.  Use 3, 4 or 5 to inbound the ball, and throw over the top of McM defense.  This lead to lots of easy lay ups, dunks etc.  It looked like an international game the inbounds etc. where happening so fast.  That game is one of my all time favoite games to watch on tape.  You need the athletes to play this game, but is done so seldom it shocks teams once you get past conference play. For those who don't know this, in that sectional that weekend you had the #1, 3, & 4 teams, and the other team beat the #2 to get there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2006, 06:16:11 PM
Quote from: realist on November 14, 2006, 03:30:27 PM
RT: I've said this before.  You are 100% correct.  I was at that Calvin game in 2000.  McM had Calvin reeling after about 6-7 minutes.  Calvin finally figured the only way to play/win was do what McM was doing, only do it better.  Use 3, 4 or 5 to inbound the ball, and throw over the top of McM defense.  This lead to lots of easy lay ups, dunks etc.  It looked like an international game the inbounds etc. where happening so fast.  That game is one of my all time favoite games to watch on tape.  You need the athletes to play this game, but is done so seldom it shocks teams once you get past conference play. For those who don't know this, in that sectional that weekend you had the #1, 3, & 4 teams, and the other team beat the #2 to get there.

Realist, you are right about that Sectional!  It was unbelievable.

Week #13 Top 25 in 2000. (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/00/week13.htm)

McMurry had beaten Maryville TN in the Sweet 16.  Maryville TN had come out of nowhere to beat Hampden-Sydney.

That was the year that the South Regional and the Great Lakes Regional were paired into the "Calvin" Sectional.  The men no longer do that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 16, 2006, 12:08:32 PM
Has no other teams had any scrimmages other than the Choctaws. Whats Sul Ross looking like?  Don't they have a new coach?  What about MHB? Everyone is talking Virginia W. being in thier tournament but can they give them a game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 04:08:14 PM
McMurry vs Rowan (NJ) tonight at the Johns Hopkins Tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 08:16:35 PM
Rowan 68, McMurry 63 at the Johns Hopkins Tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 18, 2006, 11:47:06 AM
MCM looked ok last night against a well coached, disciplined Rowan team.  McM had their starting point guard go down with a sprained ankle with 19 minutes left in the first half. Colt Tharpe hit 4 3's in the first half but did not play in the second half due t0 a bruised rib.

McM appears to have alot of depth, we just need to gel and have time to get know one another on the court.  I like the makeup, chemistry and pontential of this team.

Will play tonight at 6 against Immaculata.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on November 18, 2006, 09:16:25 PM
I see MCM beat Immaculata 75-61 tonight.

From those that were there... Were there any highlights from the new talent?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 18, 2006, 10:39:18 PM
ETBU 78  Jarvis Christian 83

Chris Isom had 33pts 17 rbs

Tigers fall to 0-2
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on November 20, 2006, 10:48:32 PM
Well tonight the Chocs lost to a good Wesley College team who they beat last year by 30 points.  Although the Chocs played well they just missed too many free throws and had too many turnovers.  It also didnt help that Winford was in foul trouble early and fouled out with only two points.  The Chocs will learn alot from this game and hopefully correct some things and come back with a new attitude.  I also think that the fact that Wesley had already played 9 games was to their advantage a little. 84-82 Welsley College.  Chocs still rule!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2006, 11:14:52 PM
Wow!!!  Wesley College MS (http://www.wesleycollege.com/) (NCCAA-2) beat Miss College?  :o

Yes, they had played 9 games, but NCCAA-2's don't usually beat D3 Top 25's.

Wesley MS plays Millsaps and Rhodes this weekend, so we get a better handle on them!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 03:31:59 PM
Quick Time file of the Wesley MC game.

http://www.wesleycollege.edu/Athletics/BBPicts%20Games/11/21/06%20pictures/QT%2011.21.06.mp4

Maybe that works!?!?!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on November 21, 2006, 10:10:52 PM
Ralph,
   New to the whole d3hoops world, but been in the Choctaw world for a while.  I have read alot of your posts( not all 10000, dude push away from the computer desk) and you seem to get a little giddy when MC loses. But before you throw out a WOW!! MC got beat by Weasley College, you really need to see them play.  That had to be one of the most athletic teams I have seen in a while.  Be glad ya'll don't play them, cause ya'll could very well have 2 L's.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 11:21:13 PM
Balls, thanks for the post!  Please keep feeding us Miss College info.

That became apparent after I tried finding out about Wesley's results this year.

Wesley got some players, didn't they!

The "wow" is that Miss college hasn't lost in November since ???  I cannot remember! 

Coach Jones doesn't lose early games!

Thanks for the post and keep the info coming on the Choctaws.  At least it is not a D3 game, but it knocks you down in the Top 25.  That pressure is off now!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on November 21, 2006, 11:39:10 PM
Well its a good thing that these top 25 rankings here dont matter anything at all(These have nothing to do with the ncaa, they are just some coaches and pat colemans view). What makes the difference is the regional rankings when they come out.(This game will not count as a lost to mc reg. rank). So dont be ordering you any cigars just yet Ralph. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2006, 08:47:04 AM
Quote from: hoopstar on November 21, 2006, 11:39:10 PM
Well its a good thing that these top 25 rankings here dont matter anything at all(These have nothing to do with the ncaa, they are just some coaches and pat colemans view). What makes the difference is the regional rankings when they come out.(This game will not count as a lost to mc reg. rank). So dont be ordering you any cigars just yet Ralph. ;) ;) ;)
Hoopstar, I am not.  If you look over on the Survivior Pool, I was hoping that McMurry would give you the first loss.   ;)  (I know that you won't take it personally, of course.  Just business.  I know that Mike Jones and Ron Holmes are very good friends.)

I cannot think of a more dramatic motivation than that loss to Wesley.  Coach Jones will have MC on another level by the time y'all get to Abilene.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on November 22, 2006, 01:24:36 PM
Hi!  Wesley College fan here.

We enjoyed the game at MC...other than an older man screaming at us to sit down in the final 30 seconds of the game and in overtime...which prompted others to yell "These are reserved seats did you pay for them" - even though it was announced prior to the game that all seating for the game was general admission.  I have never heard anyone yell to sit down during the later stages of a close ball game. 

Wesley is a bit of an unusual beast this season.  We are the smallest college in the NCCAA's, but we have beaten Belhaven, Tougaloo, Pensacola Christian, and now MC.  Being a Bible college, we do not have the diversity of degrees to lure a lot of players, so beating NAIA D1 and NCAA teams is huge for us.  MC had far more students at the game than we have students.

We have played Belhaven twice, winning at their house by double digits and losing by 20 at home.  I think we were the better team, but we were cold and when they went on a run against us we did not respond.  They also got hot from behind the arc.  When MC went on a run against us to push it to 13, there was a (media?) timeout that killed the momentum or we probably would have lost.

This weekend starts a brutal 5 day stretch for our team.  We play Millsaps and Rhodes in Memphis on Friday and Saturday, then drive to Mobile to play Springhill and University of Mobile on Monday and Tuesday.

We play Millsaps at home in January, but the really big test comes over the Christmas break when we play NCAA D1 Louisiana-Monroe.  We can only hope they overlook us.

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to post on your board.  It was the most exciting basketball game that I have ever watched in person. 


Good Luck Choctaws and God Bless! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2006, 02:55:14 PM
Welcome John.  I can remember when your college (or rather part of it (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/WW/kbw13.html)) was occupying the old Trinity University campus on top of the tallest point between Houston and Dallas, in Tehuacana, TX about 35 miles northeast of Waco in the late 1960's.

You have assembled quite a group of athletes. 

Post anytime you feel and we will appreciate any links to stats or game reports.  Good luck against the SCAC schools.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 22, 2006, 11:23:57 PM
ETBU fell to 0-3 last night losing by 5 to LSU-Shreveport. 

Chris Isom had 29 and 13rbs I believe.

LSUS is a NAIA top 10 team
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 24, 2006, 06:14:32 PM
LeTourneau-McMurry games on Saturday can be heard at www.audiosportsonline.com
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on November 24, 2006, 07:46:30 PM
Wesley played a good game and was helped a little be the refs when Winford got fouls called on him. In d3 games it gets physical down in the paint but he was the only one that got called out. His fifth foul came when he wasn't even within reach of the shooter but was called for pushin him from behind. In three years that was the first game that I have seen the chocs lose but Coach Jones will definitely have them ready to go tomorrow they have practiced all weak and even a three hour one on thanksgiving day. Coach Jones will not let them lose again.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2006, 08:44:21 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on November 24, 2006, 07:46:30 PM
Wesley played a good game and was helped a little be the refs when Winford got fouls called on him. In d3 games it gets physical down in the paint but he was the only one that got called out. His fifth foul came when he wasn't even within reach of the shooter but was called for pushin him from behind. In three years that was the first game that I have seen the chocs lose but Coach Jones will definitely have them ready to go tomorrow they have practiced all weak and even a three hour one on thanksgiving day. Coach Jones will not let them lose again.

Chocsrock, you don't know how funny that last post reads.

Mississippi College getting hosed by the officials in the Gold Dome?  Signs of the end times!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on November 24, 2006, 09:19:24 PM
Yea, it does sound odd but he was singled out that game. The reasons i don't know but he wasn't in long enough to get five fouls with his playing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on November 24, 2006, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2006, 08:44:21 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on November 24, 2006, 07:46:30 PM
Wesley played a good game and was helped a little be the refs when Winford got fouls called on him. In d3 games it gets physical down in the paint but he was the only one that got called out. His fifth foul came when he wasn't even within reach of the shooter but was called for pushin him from behind. In three years that was the first game that I have seen the chocs lose but Coach Jones will definitely have them ready to go tomorrow they have practiced all weak and even a three hour one on thanksgiving day. Coach Jones will not let them lose again.

Chocsrock, you don't know how funny that last post reads.

Mississippi College getting hosed by the officials in the Gold Dome?  Signs of the end times!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

If I am not mistaken, we had more fouls than MC, but they were spread out. Our player who shot the running jumper and missed at the buzzer ending regulation was fouled, and should have gone to the line.  We were fouled on almost every 3 pointer we shot but it was not called.  It happens.  The quality of the refs in NCAA is so much better than what we had seen against the NAIA that I cannot complain.  Overall it was well called.  MC's problem was that when we fouled them they could not hit a free throw to save their lives.  If they would have hit the FT's, we would have lost.  We shot poorly at the charity stripe, but MC missed a lot.

It appears that Millsaps beat us in Memphis if what is reported on the other board is accurate. 57-70.  I did not feel good about that game.  The folks from Pensacola thought we would, but I was not so sure.  I cannot imagine how bad we were shooting to score that little...either that or Millsaps has GREAT defense.  After the game against MC we may have been a bit flat.  That was the biggest win in school history. 

Playing these NCAA teams will help us in NCCAA play.  The calibre of basketball in NCCAA D2 is not what we are seeing right now.  I think we can beat Rhodes (don't know if we will).  If we can take one of two in Mobile (Springhill and U of Mobile) and finish 2-2 on this 5 day stretch, I will be happy.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on November 24, 2006, 10:58:43 PM
I figure wesley came out flat after a huge win. NOTE: MC beat Milsaps by 30 in a preseason game a couple of weeks ago. If MC had not turned the ball over 31 times verse Wesley i believe they win farely easy, I believe that wesley scored 39 points off of MC tournovers.Also like JON Wesley said MC couldnt shoot free throws well going 16-29 from the line. I didnt think the refs helped either team much( Wesley had 26 fouls to MC 23) . The reason winford didnt have many minutes was he was in foul trouble early. You cant say because he just played 13 minutes that they singled him out, he didnt play because he fouled.  One thing that amazes me though is that wesley had 74 shots during the game to MC' s  56(Wesley shot 40% to MC 57%).  A difference from MC team last year and this year is that 4 of their starters played 33 minutes(Still though 12 players played). For MC to beat MHB I think they will need to shut down Burgart and Guyden
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2006, 10:54:11 AM
Let's be fair about the Millsaps-MC practice game.  It was held at 2pm on the Sunday following the Millsaps Homecoming where Millsaps beat Trinity and won the SCAC crown.  It was a situation that didn't exactly leave Millsaps ready to play their best game.  I'm not taking anything away from MC, just pointing out that it wasn't Millsaps at their best.

I did see that scrimmage and my comment at the time was that MC has more redundancy than the NASA Space Shuttle.  If they are a top 10 team, then you could split their roster in two and form two top 20 teams since there are so deep.  Tyler Winford is a very good player but they have a host of players who should be able to come in and take up the slack for any starter who gets in foul trouble.  It surprises me that the other 4 starters played over 30 minutes (even in a 45 minute game) because it seems like the depth of the team in MC's greatest strength.

Without seeing the game and only reading the box score and the story, it seems like MC might have underestimated Wesley or overestimated themselves.  After a first half that ended up 40-39 in MC's favor, MC stretched it out to 60-47 after about 10 minutes in the second half.  Regardless of how good Wesley is this year, a team like MC should have been able to hold on to that lead for the rest of the game.  The silver lining for MC is that they got a wakeup call that didn't hurt them any in D3 ratings and it may turn out to be far better for the team than the blowout win that some might have expected.

And for the record and for what it's worth, I think MC and Millsaps will play once again this year with that game coming in NCAA Tournament action.  If I'm right, I hope the results are the reverse of the last Tournament meeting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 25, 2006, 06:03:14 PM
Ozarks 86 HPU 74

HPU had 17 TO's to Ozarks 7 and Ozarks shot 15 more free throws.  Can't win playing that way.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on November 25, 2006, 06:06:08 PM
LeTourneau vs McMurry

McM wins 63-51
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on November 25, 2006, 06:24:06 PM
MC vs MHB
   75 - 47
Chocs played very well and really shut down a good team.  Broomfield played great with 16 pts 10 rebs.  Coach Jones also found some playing time for Gene Hunt and it payed off.  All of the chocs played well.  Winford hasnt came out of the slump yet but he will be just find.  I knew they would bounce back with a great game beacause of their lost and also the fact that MHB beat them last year.  So that gave them a little motivation coming into this game.  Once again CHOCS ROCK!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on November 25, 2006, 06:55:30 PM
LeTourneau vs McMurry 

Correction McM wins 73 - 61

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 25, 2006, 10:20:19 PM
HSU 86 ETBU 63

Pickleman 22pts 6rbs
Dinkins 21pts 7rbs

for etbu
Isom 19 pts 14rbs not a good day from the line 5-13

etbu falls to 0-4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 27, 2006, 09:15:01 AM
I was shocked to see the score of the Wesley game, and a little embarrassed, but someone said it earlier on here that maybe it was for the best.  Happy to see they turned it around quickly and shut down UMHB.  Ralph, pretty funny comment about the end of times, but maybe the refs had just forgotton how much Coach Jones stays on them during a game. I'm sure  that MC had plenty of opportunities to win the game and just didnt. Congrats to Wesley!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2006, 02:09:57 PM
Kid, Miss College comes to McM on Thursday!  Looking forward to that one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on November 27, 2006, 11:00:37 PM
MC vs Concordia
91 - 70

DJ Jones 21 pts
Chocs rock again!  Looking forward to McMurry thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 27, 2006, 11:08:24 PM
HSU 60 LETU 61

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on November 27, 2006, 11:11:36 PM
Greetings D3 faithful. As per earlier request, I am dropping in to give you a Wesley College update.

Well, after losing two close games in Memphis to Millsaps and Rhodes (Rhodes was up by 3 with 26 seconds and then pulled ahead), Wesley went to Mobile and beat NAIA D-1 Springhill college in overtime.  It was Springhill's home opener, but they had played 4 exhibition games against D1 opponents FSU, LaLa, McNeese, and USM, and had been competitive in all but USM.  It was the first loss for Springhill at home in 16 games in their house.  Wesley runs their record to 10-3 on the season with a game against the always tough University of Mobile tomorrow.  I am a bit concerned about that game because we have played 3 games in 4 days including this overtime win against Springhill.  We held a 23 point lead at the 15 minute mark of the second half but saw it go away.  Our guys are tired and I know this game took a lot out of them.  UofM is coming off a drubbing by the #1 ranked team in NAIA (Robert Morris) and will be looking to unload on somebody.

I can't wait until we get to NCCAA D2 play and away from these schools that are 10 to 50 times bigger than us., but I am looking forward to getting Millsaps on our home court on Valenties day.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 27, 2006, 11:13:04 PM
SRSU 70 OZARKS 75
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 27, 2006, 11:15:42 PM
UMHB 71 LC 57
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 27, 2006, 11:27:57 PM
UT TYLER 86 SCHREINER 75
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 09:07:22 AM
Thanks for the scores, Warped!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 28, 2006, 12:31:48 PM
Big win for LeTourneau last night.  HSU didn't have an answer for Evers on the inside, although Mardochee Jean has a much improved low post game himself.  The Jackets played excellent defense on Pickelman who had to really work to get 10 points.  Early in the second half it looked like LETU might blow out the Cowboys, but HSU starting playing solid defense and LETU started shooting pull up 3s on the break.  James Peters' shot at the buzzer was in and somehow popped out.  LETU got a little lucky, but out played the Cowboys overall.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 28, 2006, 04:24:34 PM
Is LETU better than they used to be, or HSU just bad this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 28, 2006, 07:10:21 PM
i believe LETU is a better ball club this year, Hardin Simmons returned most of their starters if not all, i mean..they were not pre season #1 for nothing
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 07:25:58 PM
Quote from: warped on November 28, 2006, 07:10:21 PM
i believe LETU is a better ball club this year, Hardin Simmons returned most of their starters if not all, i mean..they were not pre season #1 for nothing

I think that the assessment that I heard was that this year's LeTU is "not your father's old LeTU".
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: leroy on November 28, 2006, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 07:25:58 PM
Quote from: warped on November 28, 2006, 07:10:21 PM
i believe LETU is a better ball club this year, Hardin Simmons returned most of their starters if not all, i mean..they were not pre season #1 for nothing

I think that the assessment that I heard was that this year's LeTU is "not your father's old LeTU".

Still one of the funniest nicknames I heard on this board some time ago....LeTournover
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2006, 04:10:35 PM
Kinda quiet in here ... anyone going to be at McMurry tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:35:46 PM
HPU and ETBU underway.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:49:32 PM
ETBU 17 HPU 15 12:39 left
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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:56:11 PM
ETBU 22 HPU 19
10:03 left
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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 09:05:41 PM
ETBU 28 HPU 25
6:44 left
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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 09:10:07 PM
ETBU 30 HPU 27
5:20 left
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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 09:12:25 PM
ETBU 32 HPU 29
4:16 left
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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 09:15:03 PM
UMHB 18 UT TYLER 28

10:00 LEFT IN 1ST HALF

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 09:20:13 PM
UMHB 23  UT TYLER 33

4:49 TO GO 1ST HALF

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 09:20:19 PM
HPU 38 ETBU 38 Half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 30, 2006, 09:31:30 PM
Great last 10 minutes for Mississippi College as the Choctaws lead McMurry 34-24. I have more comments on the blog.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=213
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 09:31:47 PM
UT TYLER 44 @ UMHB 32

HALFTIME
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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 09:45:19 PM
ETBU 45 HPU 40
14:32 left
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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 09:54:17 PM
UT TYLER 51 @ UMHB 38

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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 09:55:28 PM
HPU 58 ETBU 58
9:39 left
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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:00:45 PM
UT TYLER 53 @ UMHB 42

UNDER 14 MINUTES 2ND HALF
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 10:01:22 PM
HPU 62 ETBU 60
6:52 left second half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on November 30, 2006, 10:06:15 PM
As I figured, Wesley was too tired from all the driving, 4 games in 5 days and an overtime game on Monday to hang with University of Mobile on Tuesday.  I think if we would have been rested it would have been a different game.  The players were exhausted.

If you are interested... The NCCAA rankings are out.

Wesley College is the #1 team in the nation - NCCAA D2.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 10:09:20 PM
ETBU 72 HPU 64
2:56 left
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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:10:16 PM
UT TYLER 62  @ UMHB 54

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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 10:12:31 PM
ETBU 74 HPU 66
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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:18:58 PM
UT TYLER 68 @ UMHB 65

UNDER 7 MINUTES
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Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 10:19:09 PM
ETBU 78 HPU 70 final
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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:30:55 PM
UT TYLER 77 @ UMHB 73

UNDER 5 MINUTES TO PLAY
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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:34:25 PM
UT TYLER 77 @ UMHB 76

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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:37:47 PM
UT TYLER 77 @ UMHB 81

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Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:42:19 PM
UT TYLER 79 @ UMHB 82


UNDER 20 SEC REMAIN

UT TYLER AT THE LINE FOR 2 FREE THROWS...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:43:35 PM
UT TYLER 81 @ UMHB 82

19SECS LEFT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on November 30, 2006, 10:52:48 PM
UT TYLER 81 @ UMHB 84 FINAL

UT TYLER THROWS IT THE LENGTH OF THE FLOOR AND MAKES A 3PTER AS TIME EXPIRES. BUT THEY REVIEWED IT AND IT DID NOT COUNT.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 01, 2006, 12:57:44 PM
Ok let me just say that I was EXTREMELY impressed with MC last night.  They are disciplined, well coached and athletic.  They pretty much controlled the last 30 minutes.  McMurry cut it to 6 at 47-41 and MC went on a 11-0 run.  McM fought back to cut it to 10 and then MC went back up by 18.  It was a competitive game and I feel very good about the potential of McMurry.  Howver right now MC is a different level.  After seeing them last night I believe that could go deep and I mean very deep in the NCAA tournament.  And that means alot coming from an "old" Indian.  Hopefully McM bounces back, they have three games in five days, a crucial stretch.

It was great having Pat there last night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 02, 2006, 02:08:41 PM
Pat, I would say you see more d3 hoops than any of us, what did you think about the choctaws and blue devils assessment that they could go deep in the tournament? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:19:46 PM
HPU 14 LeTU 8
14:50 left
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:26:40 PM
HPU 26 LeTU 12
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:29:57 PM
HPU 26 LeTU 17
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:36:52 PM
HPU 34 LeTU 18
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:42:55 PM
HPU 36 LeTU 21
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:49:19 PM
HPU 38 LeTU 25
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 05:14:16 PM
HPU 48 LeTU 30
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 05:20:24 PM
HPU 54 LeTU 34
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 05:33:07 PM
HPU 62 LeTU 45
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Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 05:43:50 PM
Seth, thanks for the scores!
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Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 05:46:13 PM
Well since I am at the games I figured I could be of some use.

HPU 75 LeTU 48
6:40 left

Ralph heard anything on HSU women's score?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 06:02:13 PM
HPU 94 LeTU 62 Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 06:02:53 PM
McM 85 LaCollege 71 Final.

Nothing on HSU-Miss College men or women, yet!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 02, 2006, 06:17:36 PM
MC 70 @ 67 HSU  FINAL

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 02, 2006, 06:19:52 PM
UT TYLER 92 @ CUA 108

4 MINUTES TO GO IN 2ND HALF
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2006, 07:08:43 PM
I'd like to compliment the LC fans (mainly the women's team on the bleachers behind the men's bench) during the McM-LC game.  You guys showed a lot of spirit, even though you lost.  There were times when y'all were making as much noise as everyone else in the gym!  The men's team should be proud of that kind of support from the LC women, though they may not have any voices left to sing in church tomorrow.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 07:20:04 PM
McM only led LaCollege by 2 (59-57) when LaCollege missed the jumper with 9:43 left in the game.

We outscored them 26-14 the remainder of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 02, 2006, 07:21:28 PM
How about those CHOCTAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That has been a great road trip, probally the toughest one all year.  To come out with 2 W's is huge. Congradulations Coach Jones and the rest of the team.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on December 02, 2006, 08:48:04 PM
Choctaws got lucky tonight. The shot at the end was a three that was called a two.  Should have gone to overtime.  Was a great game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: mcm_indians on December 02, 2006, 08:48:04 PM
Choctaws got lucky tonight. The shot at the end was a three that was called a two.  Should have gone to overtime.  Was a great game tonight.

Just an editorial comment...

this poster has an HSU email address.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on December 02, 2006, 11:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: mcm_indians on December 02, 2006, 08:48:04 PM
Choctaws got lucky tonight. The shot at the end was a three that was called a two.  Should have gone to overtime.  Was a great game tonight.

Just an editorial comment...

this poster has an HSU email address.

I just wonder how a 3 being called a 2 makes a difference in a game that ended with a 3 point spread.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 03, 2006, 12:12:52 AM
The last time I checked luck counts.  The way I look at it HSU was "LUCKY" to be within 3 pts.  Either way it goes MC still comes away with the win.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2006, 09:34:42 AM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on December 03, 2006, 12:12:52 AM
The last time I checked luck counts.  The way I look at it HSU was "LUCKY" to be within 3 pts.  Either way it goes MC still comes away with the win.
Balls, that last "lucky" comment was a "off-base".   

Here is the HSU SID report about the game.

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/120206aaa.html

The HSU SID is a very meticulous individual in the conduct of his office.  Sure, he is a big HSU fan, but he also works very hard to get things right.

My assessment is that MissColl has weaknesses that will be drastically exposed if and when MissColl "goes deep".  IMHO, "going deep" in basketball at this stage in the history of the conference in D3 is winning a Sweet 16 game.  I think that MissColl has trouble with "true" big men.  I encourage all ASC fans to listen very carefully to the Tour de Tejas podcast by Pat Coleman with MC Coach Mike Jones.  You can find it on the front page by scrolling down, or in the "Features" (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/) section November 30th to Dec 4th.

If I am Transylvania or John Carroll looking for a game film to appear "across the transom" in preparation for a Sweet 16 game, I want it to be HSU or Wesley (Mississippi).

I hope to get a better impression of HSU when I hope to see them on Monday night.  I think that the key to HSU's success Saturday afternoon to nearly defeating Miss Coll was the "big men".

IMHO, "Current" standard for going deep in football is the Stagg Bowl (UMHB 2004).  In baseball, it's the D3 World Series (Concordia-Austin 2002).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on December 03, 2006, 01:22:25 PM
I probably should not have said lucky in reference to Miss Coll.  They are a very good team and I just hated the way that game ended.  And the three pointer would have made a difference because if they would have called it a three then the game would have been tied with about four seconds left.  Instead HSU had to foul and put Miss on the line. Thus resulting in a three point game after Miss made the two free throws with two seconds left.  And yes I have went to school at both HSU and McMurry so I am a little biased. I would have liked to have seen an overtime after the way HSU battled back in that second half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 03, 2006, 03:26:17 PM
Ralph, yes M. Jean did hurt MC some, but what made the score become so close was the 3's HSU hit within a minute. On one account right after Pickleman made his three MC threw the ball in and it hit one of MC players and then it hit the ref so even though MC could have gotten it the ref got in the way and then gave the ball to HSU . Right after that is when HSU hit the shot that was thought of to be a 2 by the refs. One thing is there would have not of been an overtime. Right when HSU made it MC threw it in and Jon Collins got fouled before they stopped the game to make the call. So if they would have changed it to a 3, MC would have still gotten two free throws.  But how can you say a true big man will beat MC, Wesley's biggest player is 6'4 and like I said earlier the 3''s HSU hit kept them in the game. I say MC will get beat when they play like they did the first 10 minutes verse McMURRY.  After being down 16-6 MC took a timeout and I have no clue what Coach Jones said but they then went on a 28-8 run to end the half.  So if MC just starts playing good again they might run the table
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2006, 05:21:28 PM
Hoopstar, thanks for the report.

I know that McMurry is not as strong in the post as they have been in recent years.

M Jean can dominate at the post, relative to this conference.  I need to see HPU, UMHB and SRSU to see what they have at the post.  MC handled UMHB, and the Chocs has to return to west Texas for HPU and SRSU.

I don't doubt that MC is likely to be the best in the East, again this year.  However, I don't think that Coach Jones has this team as far as I might have thought by the first weekend in Dec.

I am glad to see MissColl going against Johns Hopkins in late Dec.  McM was on the other side of the bracket at the Johns Hopkins tourney last month.  Without McMurry starting point guard Robert Moreno (broken bone in the ankle), they barely lost to Rowan which Hopkins edged in the finale.  A dominant MissColl should probably handle Johns Hopkins at the Westmont Tourney, a very well respected event in Santa Barbara CA.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on December 03, 2006, 08:50:34 PM
hoopstar, I do believe that there would have been an overtime.  M. Jean was the only player on the floor that saw the ref call it a two pointer.  The scoreboard even put three points on the board.  Jean would have definetely not fouled if the ref would have called it a three.  Therefore Miss would have had to make a spectacular shot if they were to win it in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: John_Wesley on December 04, 2006, 02:32:44 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2006, 09:34:42 AM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on December 03, 2006, 12:12:52 AM
The last time I checked luck counts.  The way I look at it HSU was "LUCKY" to be within 3 pts.  Either way it goes MC still comes away with the win.
Balls, that last "lucky" comment was a "off-base".   

Here is the HSU SID report about the game.

http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/120206aaa.html

The HSU SID is a very meticulous individual in the conduct of his office.  Sure, he is a big HSU fan, but he also works very hard to get things right.

My assessment is that MissColl has weaknesses that will be drastically exposed if and when MissColl "goes deep".  IMHO, "going deep" in basketball at this stage in the history of the conference in D3 is winning a Sweet 16 game.  I think that MissColl has trouble with "true" big men.  I encourage all ASC fans to listen very carefully to the Tour de Tejas podcast by Pat Coleman with MC Coach Mike Jones.  You can find it on the front page by scrolling down, or in the "Features" (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/) section November 30th to Dec 4th.

If I am Transylvania or John Carroll looking for a game film to appear "across the transom" in preparation for a Sweet 16 game, I want it to be HSU or Wesley (Mississippi).

I hope to get a better impression of HSU when I hope to see them on Monday night.  I think that the key to HSU's success Saturday afternoon to nearly defeating Miss Coll was the "big men".

IMHO, "Current" standard for going deep in football is the Stagg Bowl (UMHB 2004).  In baseball, it's the D3 World Series (Concordia-Austin 2002).

Just an observation from one game, but I think teams that are athletic and run give them more problems.  My beloved Wesley does not have any big men...other than one 6'9 monster who is ineligible until next season.  Brandon Washington is listed as 6'5 but that is very generous.  MC had us whipped in terms of size.  We won that game because of MC having a bad night at the line and because we were more athletic.  Our ability to run was why we were able to come back from the 13 point deficit in the second half.

We have a lot of trouble with teams that slow the game down.  For whatever reason when we are playing a slower game we cannot hit a bucket to save our lives.  Millsaps and Rhodes both slowed the game down and it killed us.  We were up 22 over Springhill and we tried to slow the game down to burn the clock...and they came back on us.  Our coaches decided after that game that we will not do that again.  U of Mobile was our 4th game in 5 days and they play a pressure defense...those two things do not go together well.  I think we would beat them on a regular night but we were worn out.

Millsaps plays AT Wesley on Valentines day...I am anxious for that game and Huntington College 3 days later.  We will be on 3 days rest for both of those.

Louisiana Monroe on December 19th should be interesting.  They should kill us but it will give us a real barometer of how good we really are.  We do play Bethel and Lambuth on the 15th and 16th...both are NAIA D1.  Hopefully 3 days will be enough rest before playing an NCAA D1 school.  La Monroe is not great but they played within 14 of Alabama.   If we come out hot against them and they are flat, it could get interesting.  They have 2 guys who are 6'7 and 2 who are 6'8 so size is no contest...but big does not mean fast.

Good luck to the Choctaws.  I love seeing you guys win.  Our win may have been a little bit of a fluke, but if MC ran out the rest of the season without a loss it would make us feel good about ourselves :)

Take care and God Bless!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2006, 09:18:24 AM
Great post, JW!

Thanks for the additional analysis.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 04, 2006, 01:34:17 PM
GOOD LUCK TONIGHT COWBOYS!!!!  Show why HSU was picked to win the west!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 04, 2006, 05:02:19 PM
No matter what happens tonight, there is a lot of basketball to be played.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 04, 2006, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: mcm_indians on December 03, 2006, 08:50:34 PM
hoopstar, I do believe that there would have been an overtime.  M. Jean was the only player on the floor that saw the ref call it a two pointer.  The scoreboard even put three points on the board.  Jean would have definetely not fouled if the ref would have called it a three.  Therefore Miss would have had to make a spectacular shot if they were to win it in regulation.
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That may be true but from what I saw he was trying to stop the fast break and he went for a steal because it wasnt a hard foul(it didnt look intentional at all). But good luck to both teams tonight. I think it will be determined on the shutdown of Pickleman and the Jeans, also MCM athleticism should hurt HSU. Ive heard that MCM point guard who has like a broken foot or something is one of the best they have ever had.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 04, 2006, 10:49:23 PM
OMG...according to Gametracker HSU won 64-63!

33 fouls in the second half alone...and McM led 10 to 15 points most of the game!

Unbelieveable!  Somebody confirm please!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 05, 2006, 01:49:57 AM
Two Very Excellent Games Tonight Played Both The Men's And Women's Basketball Teams From HSU & McM. Both Games Were Very Exciting To Watch.

A Couple Of Interesting Things To Watch In The Mens Game Was The Play Of 2 Players Who Had Transfered From Opposing Schools And The Officiating.

I Found It Interesting To Watch Dan Jean, Now At HSU, And Chris Gammage, Now At McM. The Stats Were Pretty Similar DJ Had 9 Min 1Pnt 4Rbnds And 3 Fouls. CG Had 6Mins 1Pnt 5Rbnds And 3 Fouls(According To The HSU Final Stats). Pretty Much The Same Results On Both Sides 

And Now For What I Thought Was The WORST Part Of The Game, The Officiating. This Was Probably The Most Pathetic Display I've EVER Seen By An Officiating Crew. First Half They Called Nothing, And It Looked Like A Mugging Was Being Taken On Both Sides Of The Ball. And Then In The 2nd They Decided To Call Everything. In About The First 10 Min Of The 2nd There Were Already A Total Of 20 Fouls. Any One Else That Was There Agree?

Overall An Exciting Cross Town Rivalry And I Look Forward To The Next Meeting. Oh And The Soundbyte (http://soundbyte) From The Front Page Is Awesome.

Maybe We Can D3hoops Out For The Next Meeting Too! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 03:27:28 AM
Just got back home after the drive from Abilene.

Thanks to Pat Coleman for the Tour de Tejas.

As for the officiating, I thought that they let them play in the first half and then, voila, it is a different game.

Congratulations to Zack Pickelman...3 straight 3FGs!

I have one other thought about the HSU-MissColl game.  I haven't seen UMHB or HPU yet, but Mardochee Jean for HSU is a very respectable post player.

Consider this...

Miss College is on Game #2 of the very hard Abilene road trip.  Yes, they beat McMurry, but there is considerable emotional preparation for a McM-MC match.

Mardochee Jean is a very good (maybe All-ASC West) post.  He forces MissColl to honor his play inside and thus he opens things up for HSU's outside game.  M Jean had 1-3 FGs, 10-14 FTs, 3 off and 6 def rebs.  Was that enough to influence the Miss Coll game plan?

Let's see the HPU-Miss Coll game in Borwnwood next month, when the Chocs play against last year's all-ASC-West post, Sean Wheeler.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 05, 2006, 11:41:09 AM
McMurry's loss to HSU at their place could be a defining moment in growth of this team.  Such a loss in the last seconds is tough to manage in the best of circumstances.  IMHO, this my have been McM's best effort as a team so far.  In some of McMurry's prior game, inconsistent may have been the main constant.  I think the McMurry men will come back stronger after this test of their character as a team. 

Some prior postings have discussed the "big" men in ASC-West.  It is rare that I have seen a big man, over 6'8" playing with authority.  Generally speaking, at that size they may have other options.  The better 4s and 5s are usually 6'4" to 6'7" men with some quickness.  They have played with their backs to the basketball, on the block,  and find it difficult to make the adjustment to facing the basket.  M Jean with HSU is a good example of a man with size and skills.  Most of us don't have a post with that combination. 

McMurry is an example of a team that does not have a "big" man as such and will go with the aforementioned size "big" men.  Coach Holmes makes fine use of the talents of people with heart and desire.  This years McMurry team is "jelling."  They are new to the conference, to each other, and the coaching staff.  The games, so far, are a series of learning situations to all concerned. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 12:19:02 PM
bcal and HSUats, those games were really fun!  The gratifying thing for us ASC fans to learn is how highly the McM-HSU basketball rivalry is perceived.

From today's Daily Dose...
QuoteAlthough the status of Hope/Calvin as the No. 1 rivalry in Division III cannot be questioned, McMurry/Hardin-Simmons is one of several in contention for the No. 2 slot. Amherst/Williams and Wooster/Wittenberg are on that list as well, as would be Bates/Bowdoin on the women's side, and my fried brain is probably missing others. (And for those of you who would push for their own rivalry as being No. 1, let's see you put 11,000 fans in the seats first. That's the bar to reach right now.)

I really wonder if the citizens of Abilene really understand the quality of the basketball that is being played in the ASC.  We Texans understand 5A and 2A and Six-man football and how all of the variables have been equalized so that the only thing that remains is the human characteristics of courage, tenacity and determination.  We saw that last night, and it was wonderful to behold.

Now all we (McM) need to do is to sweep the games in January, and the games in the ASC tourney and hopefully the game(s) in the NCAA playoffs... ;D

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 12:27:24 PM
fanstand, it was great to see you last night!

Your daughter is doing a wonderful job with the conditioning of the team.

FG % for the game

HSU: 1st half:  10-24 (41.7%); 2nd half:  9-28 (32.1%) 19-52  (36.5%)

McM: 1st half:  10-24 (41.7%); 2nd half: 14-27 (51.9%) 24-51 (47.1%)

Error:  This post applies to the Women!!! Sorry!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 05, 2006, 01:17:45 PM
Good Job HSU!  Way to battle back and pull it out.  Way to step up Pickelman and Brackett, thats what Seniors do.  Being a part of that rivalry for so long I know how it feels to pull a close one out.  Thats just the start of things to come for the COWBOYS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 05, 2006, 09:57:57 PM
Just got caught up on some of ya'lls posts. Why on earth is everybody critisizing MC's team, coaching staff, and game play.  Particularly McM and HSU fans.  I don't know if ya'll have heard but we beat you both, close games, yes, but wins nonetheless.  The only person giving us any respect ( John_Wesley) beat the breaks off us.  So quit making excuses and predicitions about us and worry about your own teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 05, 2006, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 03:27:28 AM
Just got back home after the drive from Abilene.

Thanks to Pat Coleman for the Tour de Tejas.

As for the officiating, I thought that they let them play in the first half and then, voila, it is a different game.

Congratulations to Zack Pickelman...3 straight 3FGs!

I have one other thought about the HSU-MissColl game.  I haven't seen UMHB or HPU yet, but Mardochee Jean for HSU is a very respectable post player.

Consider this...

Miss College is on Game #2 of the very hard Abilene road trip.  Yes, they beat McMurry, but there is considerable emotional preparation for a McM-MC match.

Mardochee Jean is a very good (maybe All-ASC West) post.  He forces MissColl to honor his play inside and thus he opens things up for HSU's outside game.  M Jean had 1-3 FGs, 10-14 FTs, 3 off and 6 def rebs.  Was that enough to influence the Miss Coll game plan?

Let's see the HPU-Miss Coll game in Borwnwood next month, when the Chocs play against last year's all-ASC-West post, Sean Wheeler.


Actually they didnt honor him. When MC honors a post player they double him when he gets the ball, but they didnt verse him. He does do a great job getting to the foul line though.  What gave HSU their outside game was their offense. They have great movement off the ball. Also, they get the ball to Pickleman alot off of double and triple screens(very hard to defend unless you switch which causes matchup problems) As some of yall saw last night, HSU can come back quick in game late. Note: Sean Wheeler scored 7 last year on MC(most on free throws)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 05, 2006, 11:00:01 PM
in the first meeting Wheeler had 20 pts against MC in a close loss in Miss.

But in that first game they also had a real point guard.  this year HPU doesn't have one that has stepped up to fulfill that roll.  It will be the guards that determine the outcome of the game this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 06:48:17 AM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on December 05, 2006, 09:57:57 PM
Just got caught up on some of ya'lls posts. Why on earth is everybody critisizing MC's team, coaching staff, and game play.  Particularly McM and HSU fans.  I don't know if ya'll have heard but we beat you both, close games, yes, but wins nonetheless.  The only person giving us any respect ( John_Wesley) beat the breaks off us.  So quit making excuses and predicitions about us and worry about your own teams. 

Balls, you are new to these forums.  There are 2 levels of discussion that occur on this and the football board, but the underlying theme is about all teams getting to a higher level.

When it is in the conference, we can all talk about what it takes to win the conference.  Once the champion is determined, we are all unified about getting the comference champ to the national championship.  Whether McM, MissColl, Sul Ross in 2004 or that UT-D team that pushed a talented Trinity squad in 2005, at that next level we all want the teams to succeed.  If the ASC can get respect, then all ASC teams benefit.

The next level is earning a playoff berth for 11 of the teams.  For UT-D, SRSU and McM, it is getting back there.  For MissColl, it is winning a Sweet 16 game.

I watched the video feed of the Miss College-Transylvania game last March.   There probably aren't a dozen active posters who can say that.  I will continue to discuss what teams need to do to get to those respective levels.  As an ASC fan, we need success deeper into the tourney.  For MissCollege, it is breaking thru that Sweet 16 barrier.

Have a good season, and we are probably looking at the conference tourney at the Golden Dome, again.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 06:50:18 AM
dballa and hoopstar, thanks for the comments!

Tough loss at Sully last night, HPU.

http://www.sulross.edu/pages/6182.asp
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 06:51:24 AM
McM bounces back against Trinity 75-62.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 06, 2006, 09:49:07 AM
Let's hope the McM guys can also bounce back in their classes.  They are playing a lot of games right before finals... ending with a road trip to Ozarks Saturday when final exams begin on Monday. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 06, 2006, 09:49:07 AM
Let's hope the McM guys can also bounce back in their classes.  They are playing a lot of games right before finals... ending with a road trip to Ozarks Saturday when final exams begin on Monday. 

Perhaps that is a topic that should be addressed by the Presidents at the next conference meeting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 06, 2006, 12:17:35 PM
McM showed a lot last night by beating Trinity.  While Trinity is not the typical Trinity team, McM pulled one out when they needed too. While Monday night was a heartbreaker, it is one game in a long long year.  In my opinion, McM will get nothing but better. The rematch on the 22nd of January means nothing however if McM does not take care of business between now and then.  Once again I think we are in for a West Division race that is up in the air.  I could be wrong, but HSU does not strike me as a dominating team.

Also I want to address Balls a Dunkins message that hsu and McM fans have been criticizing MC's coaches , players, etc.  Please read my post from last Friday.  I was nothing but complimentary about the team that MC has this year.



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 06, 2006, 12:40:21 PM
Good Win By McM Tuesday Night After The Hard Fought Loss To HSU The Night Before. Goodluck To Both Abilene Teams As They Travel To The Ozarks(Especially My Cowboys) And Safe Travels To Both.

Quote from: McM Blue Devil on December 06, 2006, 12:17:35 PM
I could be wrong, but HSU does not strike me as a dominating team.

IF The Cowboys Could Play For The Full 40 Minutes Instead Of Waiting Till The End They Could Be Very Dominating. But It Seems That They Wait To The End To Start Playing Good Ball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 06, 2006, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 11:39:15 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 06, 2006, 09:49:07 AM
Let's hope the McM guys can also bounce back in their classes.  They are playing a lot of games right before finals... ending with a road trip to Ozarks Saturday when final exams begin on Monday. 

Perhaps that is a topic that should be addressed by the Presidents at the next conference meeting.

You bet they do. We (CUA) have to travel to ETBU and LETU for games on Thursday the 14th and Saturday the 16th, which means they'll be leaving probably mid-day on the Wednesday of finals week. Our president even got involved and they wouldn't change it.

On another note, UT-Tyler deserves credit for never quitting in that shootout they had with us. Weasby was on fire in the first half (I think he had 21 or so), and late #33 for them was hitting everything he put up. They have enough shooters and rebounders to give a lot of people trouble. I'm looking forward to seeing how we do against UT-Dallas. It could be another shootout, what with Salinas for UTD and Maxwell and McDonald for us.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 06, 2006, 01:51:08 PM
Balls, take it as a compliment that everyone criticizes MC.  Everyone wants to beat us. Thats part of being the best, you take everyone's best shot.  That is also one of the most fun parts that I remember about playing for MC.  You could just tell when you had broken the other team's spirit with about 5 min. to go and they knew they couldnt win.  Now for some critisizing of my own.  It sounds and looks like from the scores that MC doesnt play as much strong defense as past Coach Jones teams did and from what I hear the team this year is one of the most athletic ones he has had. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 06, 2006, 05:38:59 PM
I meant in the ASC tourny S.Wheeler he had 7. Im not sure if they dont play as strong of defense. I think it has alot to do with they are not trying to be such of a halfcourt team and burn the clock. So if MC scores more than they used to, so will the opposing team just because of more shots. This years team is definetly one of the most athletic they have had, but im not sure if it is athletic as last years team(its probably about the same with alot of the same players returning) I would say that this years team though does miss Orlando Lewis, who was a pure three point shooter and one of the best defenders MC has ever had. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 06:27:42 PM
Kid, thanks for the comments.  You understand.  It is different for Choctaw Basketball and the expectations.

Pat Coleman had a chance to see the Chocs the other night, if you missed it.

Click for the podcast (http://www.d3hoops.com/audio/06/tourdetejasjones.mp3).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MissChoctaw on December 06, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
Ralph, Before (McM) can win the ASC they need to make it to the tourney. You seem to be a tad bit confident in a team that is struggling to defend their home court.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: MissChoctaw on December 06, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
Ralph, Before (McM) can win the ASC they need to make it to the tourney. You seem to be a tad bit confident in a team that is struggling to defend their home court.

MissChoctaw, please don't misunderstand me.  You haven't read any posts even suggesting overconfidence in the team.   :-\ ;) :)

On the floor of the HSU/McM game, there were 2 freshmen and 2 new sophomores on the court at the end.  Coach Holmes has compeltely rebuilt this club. Only 4 players remain from 2004-05.  I really like Coach Holmes new assistant, Gonzalo Garza.

I can see the basics for a really good team in these players, but this is as young as anything we have played since the Abe Aragon, Alex Denson days in the last 1990's.

There is talent and there is character on this young and new McMurry team, but the tourney is in the East this year.  Maybe we can get UT-Dallas to help us! ;D

Good luck to the Chocs at Westmont!  Westmont College is host for C.S. Lewis' Wardrobe from The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 06, 2006, 07:34:24 PM
All I know is if a team can't score, they can't win.  More shots or not, defense wins championships!  I've been trying to listen to the podcast from Pat but can't. If anyone could give me an abbreviated summary of what he had to say it would be great.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 06, 2006, 09:44:46 PM
What are you trying to listen to it with? I can probably help you out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 07, 2006, 09:24:24 AM
Pat, i'm at work and they have a guard up. so there must be some little something that is triggering it when I click on it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Insider on December 07, 2006, 02:08:50 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to the board and just wanted to say hello.  As my name would indicate I have an allegience to MC.  Thanks, and I look forward to putting my two cents in here and there. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 07, 2006, 04:00:32 PM
I've noticed that both McM and MC have a lot of transfers and juco players. how much does having these players on the team help? And why do these players seem to transfer to the d3 level?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: MC Insider on December 07, 2006, 02:08:50 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to the board and just wanted to say hello.  As my name would indicate I have an allegience to MC.  Thanks, and I look forward to putting my two cents in here and there. 

Welcome MC insider!  Always glad to have new posters on the boards.

We always appreciate insights that you can give on the Choctaws!  We also appreciate any press releases or news accounts!

Just post the URL using that "world globe" BBC tag!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 07, 2006, 05:21:52 PM
As far as I'm concerned, any school that holds us to 70 points is plenty good defensively.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 06:05:01 PM
Quote from: HSUats on December 07, 2006, 04:00:32 PM
I've noticed that both McM and MC have a lot of transfers and juco players. how much does having these players on the team help? And why do these players seem to transfer to the d3 level?

The same reason that Mike Moskowski, Will Galusha, Mychal Carrillo, Eric Daniels, Matt Fields, Justin Feaster, Matt Gonzalez, Justin Greene, Teddy Morgan, Chris Robinson, Reggie Robinson and Jermaine Walker transfer to HSU for football.   They want a chance to play basketball at a winning program and get a good education. :D ;) ;D

Coach Holmes has known about these players from high school days and in his finding the talent around the country.  Many players like the playing time that they get at McMurry and the style of ball that McMurry plays.  Players know about McMurry.

As for Mississippi, the JUCO system in Mississippi is very sophiticated and well-established.  In fact there were 20 D1 football players who signed letters of intent in Feb 2006 from Mississippi JUCOs.  It is the same for hoops...lots of talent in the Mississippi junior colleges.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2006, 10:37:12 PM
HSU 86   @  Ozarks  79.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 07, 2006, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 06:05:01 PM
The same reason that Mike Moskowski, Will Galusha, Mychal Carrillo, Eric Daniels, Matt Fields, Justin Feaster, Matt Gonzalez, Justin Greene, Teddy Morgan, Chris Robinson, Reggie Robinson and Jermaine Walker transfer to HSU for football.   They want a chance to play basketball at a winning program and get a good education. :D ;) ;D

:o Your level of knowledges seems to impress me everytime, and I like this game so i have some more questions for you.

1. Who is Mike Moskowski?
2. How many of the above mentioned players have spent/will spend the majority of there time at HSU and will graduate from HSU with a degree?
3. How many of McM and MC transfer players have spent/will spend the majority of there time at McM/MC and will graduate from McM/MC with a degree?

I'm not trying to stir anything up, just a simple question of why doesn't coach Howard recruit these guys?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2006, 04:27:12 AM
Quote from: kid nice on December 07, 2006, 09:24:24 AM
Pat, i'm at work and they have a guard up. so there must be some little something that is triggering it when I click on it.

Hmm, OK, I probably can't help you with that, sorry.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 08, 2006, 06:17:09 AM
Quote from: HSUats on December 07, 2006, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 06:05:01 PM
The same reason that Mike Moskowski, Will Galusha, Mychal Carrillo, Eric Daniels, Matt Fields, Justin Feaster, Matt Gonzalez, Justin Greene, Teddy Morgan, Chris Robinson, Reggie Robinson and Jermaine Walker transfer to HSU for football.   They want a chance to play basketball at a winning program and get a good education. :D ;) ;D

:o Your level of knowledges seems to impress me everytime, and I like this game so i have some more questions for you.

1. Who is Mike Moskowski?
2. How many of the above mentioned players have spent/will spend the majority of there time at HSU and will graduate from HSU with a degree?
3. How many of McM and MC transfer players have spent/will spend the majority of there time at McM/MC and will graduate from McM/MC with a degree?

I'm not trying to stir anything up, just a simple question of why doesn't coach Howard recruit these guys?
.....................................................
HSUats, welcome to the discussions.  Although Ralph (Turner) is fully capable of answering those questions, allow me to weigh in on a couple of them.  (RT might not have a HSU Football Media Guide handy.)

Matt Moskosky...6-2, 235, Senior, Tight End from Plano (East).  Two year letterman in 2004, so he had to have been at HSU 2002/2003/2004. Quote from the 2004 publication: "Suffered through a high ankle sprain for most of the 2003 season that limited his big-play explosiveness, with a healthy season he will regain his All-American form from 2002."  His injury continued to haunt him, but in 2002 he set season and career records...as first team all-ASC...first team all-region...third team all-American.  Transferred from the Air Force Academy...was there two years, "one in which he did not see game action."

And, although I can say with 100% sureness, I'd say most of those named by RT stayed at HSU for 3-4 years...and "all" graduated...with degrees.  (They don't play if they don't make the grades.)  As you know, HSU is a "football" school and as Ralph says players go there because they get to play...throw in  an outstanding coach and an overall "excellent" program...and any school can have a successful program.  (All schools have "ups and downs.")

In the past several years the basketball program has been improving...under Coach Howard.  It will continue to get better...IMHO! :D  (Hey, they beat McMurry!)  A benchmark...

Anyway, that is my two cents...RT will add some comments, if I know him!  Thanks for your interest.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 08, 2006, 09:53:22 AM
Also, it is a dream of a lot of kids to play D1 athletics.  They go to these schools or JUCO to try and make it.  If they are not getting the playing time or just not quite good enough, or big enough,  they will transfer to the smaller schools to get playing time there last couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2006, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: kid nice on December 08, 2006, 09:53:22 AM
Also, it is a dream of a lot of kids to play D1 athletics.  They go to these schools or JUCO to try and make it.  If they are not getting the playing time or just not quite good enough, or big enough,  they will transfer to the smaller schools to get playing time there last couple of years.

MissColl gets plenty of kids from JUCO's who have tried to catch the eye of a D1 coach.  They end up at MissColl when Coaches Jones and Lofton see them.

For McMurry, it is the other way around for the D1's, D2's and Scholarship NAIA kids.  These kids weren't getting the playing time, or did not like/match with the system/chemistry, etc.  Coach Holmes has seen them.  They know the system and the McMurry success.  They come for playing time and the education.


My philosophy about intercollegiate athletics is that you should play at the level at which you can most succeed.  As kidnice said, aim high! 

1)  If you have a real chance at playing in the NFL or the NBA, then do play D1.
2)  Or, if you can get decent to good playing time at any place that gives you a full athletic scholarship, and the coach honors your needs to study for the degree, then do it.  The NCAA has specific guidelines about practice time and studying, but we all know what that means.
3)  In the absence of #1 or #2, then play D3.  Be a student-athlete.  If your athletic scholarship is not "paying enough", both in grants and the value of that specific degree for the efforts that you are giving, then move someplace else.  (It is a "job", and there is compensation for services.  The NCAA just doesn't have to withhold income tax or pay the employer's contribution to FICA/Social Security.)  That is why I really enjoy D3, for its principles and its quality of amateur competition.

Sorry about misspelling Moskosky's last name.   Wasn't he Pre-Vet at HSU?

Quote(Hey, they beat McMurry!)  A benchmark...  /dsc

As for playing HSU, I just want to make sure that we defeat HSU the last time that we play them each year!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 08, 2006, 04:32:11 PM
Well, after a horrendous roadtrip out west.  LETU bounced back last night and looked pretty good at ETBU.  I know the Tigers are not as good as they have been, but it is a rivalry game for us and any win on the road is a good one.  ETBU really had no answer for Dusty Evers who scored at will and finished with 29 points.  A key for the Jackets has been Jayme Bradley, when he is hitting his three's they are tough to guard, when he is cold they really struggle.  I do have to say that the Jackets have been horrible at the foul line this year.  They haven't shot better than 67 percent in any game this year.  It could haunt them at some point.

Has anybody seen Ozarks play yet?  I know they lost to Austin College early on, but since then they have played pretty well despite losing to HSU last night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 08, 2006, 05:47:51 PM
Ralph, it wasn't moskosky's last name throwing me off it was the first. i personally knew matt, real nice kid and great athlete. last i heard he was was at ATM vet school, so guess that means hes a smart kid too.

As far as transfers are concerned i had heard that its hard to get these players to stick around, is there any truth to that?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2006, 11:36:39 AM
Because I cannot give the facts to the accuracy that I demand of myself, I won't comment on graduation rates.  I have known several of the transfers to graduate and move on with their lives.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2006, 12:03:39 PM
I noticed something that baseball is doing differently from basketball.

They are not counting games versus inter-divisional opponents towards the divisional races.  I really like that for these reasons.

A basketball coach should have the chance to work with his players thru several games to see which combination will work best.

The double round-robin format of intra-divisional games is the fairest possible, and it gives 12 games on the East and 14 games on the West to determine standings for the conference tourney.

It takes the variable of the single round robin inter-divisional play out of the schedule.  The geographic disparities of the conference are tough enough.  Not very road trip is equivalent.  I would rank the Abilene trip the toughest, because of the teams.  Second is SRSU/HPU because of the travel.  UMHB-CUA may be harder than TLU-Schreiner, even though there is more mileage in the latter.  On the East, MissColl/LaColl may be the hardest.   UT-D/UT-T may be next.  LeTU/ETBU is probably 3rd, and then UOzarks is the odd team here.  Those are just not symmetrical.

The intra-divisional only format eliminates most of the "fall semester bias".  Any edge that a team got from playing with a specific player in the fall is miinimized.

A team can get off to a rocky start and still pull the season together 12 games into it.  It keeps hope in the season. Lack of hope is a great disincentive to equity of play.

I am glad that we play a full schedule for the sake of "in-region" games for the NCAA Regional Rankings and tourney sake.

I just wish the coaches would adopt the intra-divisional game standard for determining divisional winners.

(Now for you fans who are wondering if this is a pro-McMurry bias, you are wrong.  Currently HSU has a loss to ETBU and McMurry has not played the Lions.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 09, 2006, 04:50:37 PM
According to the Ozarks website today's game with McMurry was cancelled, any idea why?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 09, 2006, 05:08:41 PM
Initial word is that the game was cancelled due to lack of officials.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2006, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on December 09, 2006, 05:08:41 PM
Initial word is that the game was cancelled due to lack of officials.

That is a very expensive mistake! Nine plus hours by bus one way, with meals and lodging!  The weekend before finals!  A game posted officially on the conference webiste!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 09, 2006, 06:44:01 PM
HPU 39 Wayland Baptist 33 Half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 09, 2006, 07:04:56 PM
But who pays for it?  Does Ozarks forfeit?  If it was the responsibility of the NCAA to provide the refs, do they reimburse McM for the travel costs?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 09, 2006, 07:51:57 PM
HPU 80 WBU 87

Tough loss for the Jackets.  They played one heck of a game against a team that lost by one point to the #1 team in NAIA.  Webb for Wayland scored 40 pts.  He is one of the best players i've ever seen play at the coliseum.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2006, 08:41:12 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 09, 2006, 07:04:56 PM
But who pays for it?  Does Ozarks forfeit?  If it was the responsibility of the NCAA to provide the refs, do they reimburse McM for the travel costs?

I think that the conference office and the AD's get to work that one out. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2006, 09:14:33 PM
UTD 118, CUA 112 (2OT)  UT-D's Martin Salinas had 38 points.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2006, 10:48:25 PM
Univ New Orleans 76 UT-T 52 (http://www.unoprivateers.com/index.php?pid=headline&content=user&func=article&id=1914)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2006, 10:55:56 PM
at Belhaven 82, ETBU 78 (http://blazers.belhaven.edu/m_basketball/schedule.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 10, 2006, 01:08:35 AM
PS:
IN THAT CUA VS UTD GAME JOEL MCDONALD OF CONCORDIA HAD 43PTS INCLUDING 8 THREE POINTERS
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2006, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: warped on December 10, 2006, 01:08:35 AM
PS:
IN THAT CUA VS UTD GAME JOEL MCDONALD OF CONCORDIA HAD 43PTS INCLUDING 8 THREE POINTERS

To be more specific...

McDonald was 13-of-21 from the floor, 8-of-11 from beyond the arc, and 9-of-9 from the free throw line. It's entirely likely that he could break into the top 10 all-time in scoring this season (barring injury).

Oh, and it gave CUA the only two 40-point games of the year in the ASC (the other was Maxwell's 41 against UT-Tyler).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 11, 2006, 05:26:24 PM
Is that all-time at CUA?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 11, 2006, 05:28:20 PM
I think the stars are aligned this year to see the first 50 point game in awhile whether it is McDonald or Maxwell at CUA, Salinas at UTD or Isom at ETBU where he is a one man show.  Who do you all think has the potential to reach the half century barrier?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 11, 2006, 05:45:17 PM
I just want to see who everyone thinks has the best chance to score 50 points in a game this year in the ASC
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2006, 05:54:11 PM
kid: All-time at CUA. My apologies for being unclear. Still, doing that as a sophomore (he's gotta break 900 points) is nothing to laugh at.

gccfan: I don't know enough about UTD or ETBU to really say anything about Salinas or Isom, but McDonald or Maxwell have a good shot. Given the system they play in, I don't think its unreasonable to assume that given a hot hand and a weak enough opponent that one of them could do it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2006, 05:55:34 PM
McDonald's a good enough shooter to pull it off. Maxwell's a good scorer, but I think he's easier to stop than McDonald.

I haven't seen Salinas or Isom play, but I don't think their systems lend themselves as much to a 50-point game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 12, 2006, 09:33:51 AM
Yes, anytime you break a record as a sophomore it is impressive. But if the record is only 900 pts has CUA not had a basketball program for that long. Almost always someone has scored over a 1000pts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 12, 2006, 01:51:15 PM
CUAfan......sometimes it doesnt necessarily have to be the system you play in to get you a 50 point game versus the style of play your going up against.  A few years back McMurry gave up back to back 52 point games to Moore from UMHB and KB Deborg from CUA and both of them still lost.  I dont know that anyone plays that type of style in the conference anymore so i think it might be hard for someone to put up 50, but anything is possible.

GO COWBOYS!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: hoopshops on December 12, 2006, 01:51:15 PM
CUAfan......sometimes it doesnt necessarily have to be the system you play in to get you a 50 point game versus the style of play your going up against.  A few years back McMurry gave up back to back 52 point games to Moore from UMHB and KB Deborg from CUA and both of them still lost.  I dont know that anyone plays that type of style in the conference anymore so i think it might be hard for someone to put up 50, but anything is possible.

GO COWBOYS!

Wow Hoopshops, what names from the past!  Those guys could flat out play! :)

+1 for the great memories!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 10:37:46 PM
MissColl 83 Fisk 62. (http://www.gochoctaws.com/index.asp?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 13, 2006, 12:13:14 AM
Ralph or anyone else, would you happen to know how the McM/Ozarks cancellation worked out. Did the ozarks have to reimburse(sp?) McM, does it lead to a cancellation or a forfiet and a win for McM? Just a couple of questions that i had, reminds me alot of the the HSU/LC ftbl game that got cancelled, and messed around with the playoff situation
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2006, 06:49:30 AM
Everyone is aware of the situation that not playing a game has on the conference playoffs, because HSU now has a "half-game" lead on McMurry by virtue of the cancelation.

The trip cost about $6000.  On reviewing the posted sites, everything that I can surmise is that McMurry did it right, with respect to notifications to the conference office, U Ozarks, etc.

I saw that Ozarks had the game scheduled on its site and the conference had the McMurry/UOzarks game scheduled correctly on it web page.

I think that someone in the Conference office or in the office  of the guy who handles the assignments for officials for the ASC dropped the ball.

If Ozarks dropped the ball, then the AD's and Coaches can settle that one.

If the conference dropped the ball, then I believe that the conference office should compensate McMurry for its loss.  This is not a situation that we see commonly, like a weather-related cancelation.  That (weather) situation is beyond the control of the schools, and actually is in the hands of the officials by that point, e.g., lightning or hurricanes for football or baseball game rain outs!!!  This is completely unique.  Adding "sporting event rainout insurance" premiums to the cost of running the conference would be prohibitive.

If it was officials' assignment office that just did not send a referee team to the game, then they should be made to pay for the expenses.  They have the lucrative contract. 

There are sufficiently automated computer documentation and notification systems handling everything from motel reservations to your DVD rentals, you know confirmatory emails, confirmation numbers, and other pre-set transactions, that I would be interested in seeing the papertrail that shows who did not do what! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 13, 2006, 04:15:35 PM
Moore was a good one, he was one of the few who would torch us.  UT-Dallas had a  guy who would always light us up, cant remember his name though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2006, 11:06:36 PM
Just got back from the UTD-Austin College game.

UT-D 61, Austin College 52.  The Roos really slowed UTD down tonight and the game was a 5-8 point game for most of the final 9 minutes of the game. 

AC played 10 guys in double-digit minutes and Coach Oestreich seems to have gotten some athletes.  AC did not seem to have these players a couple of years ago.  His roster has 9 freshmen, 2 sophs, 3 juniors and 4 seniors.  It seems as if the admissions office is letting him get some athletes, that he wasn't getting 2 years ago.  The high schools from which these guys are coming are from the northern "DFW Metroplex" suburbs, so they seem to match the AC's composition.  They may become a force in the SCAC.

UT-D:  Salinas FG 4-10 3FG 2-8 FT 2-4 12 pts in 34 minutes.
Jordan Eppnk FG 5-7 3FG 0-0 FT 2-4 12 points in 28 minutes.
PG Travis Carruthers FG 4-9 3FG 1-2 FT 2-3 11points in 32 minutes.

For AC, leading scorers were off the bench (In fact 36 of 52 points were off the bench!)

#3 Adam Bishop (SO) FG 3-6 3FG 2-4 FT 2-2 10 points in 22 minutes
#20 Jason Burton  (SR) FG 4-8 3FG 0-1 FT 2-2 10 points in 20 minutes
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 14, 2006, 12:05:39 PM
I saw AC earlier in the season and they looked better than in the past.  It seems like they have played a number of ASC teams to start off their season (UTD, LETU, and Ozarks that I know of).  I saw them play LeTourneau and they seemed more athletic, but not quite as big as they were a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 14, 2006, 05:40:20 PM
Hey all - new to this whole D3 hoops, but excited to be on.  I've been watching ASC basketball for the last 7 years and have had an opportunity to see every team play.  Hopefully I can provide a little insight to this conversation! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:09:14 PM
bearkat, welcome aboard.  We need help with reports from the east! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: kid nice on December 12, 2006, 09:33:51 AM
Yes, anytime you break a record as a sophomore it is impressive. But if the record is only 900 pts has CUA not had a basketball program for that long. Almost always someone has scored over a 1000pts.

McDonald will make the Top 10 as a sophomore. The record is 2000+ by DeBord with I think 7 over 1000+. Maxwell's got 970 going into tonight's game against ETBU, so he'll likely join the 1000-point club during this road trip.

Speaking of the CUA/ETBU game, I wonder if Isom can pull off 39 minutes in the game, considering how much we push the pace, but ya never know...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: kid nice on December 12, 2006, 09:33:51 AM
Yes, anytime you break a record as a sophomore it is impressive. But if the record is only 900 pts has CUA not had a basketball program for that long. Almost always someone has scored over a 1000pts.

McDonald will make the Top 10 as a sophomore. The record is 2000+ by DeBord with I think 7 over 1000+. Maxwell's got 970 going into tonight's game against ETBU, so he'll likely join the 1000-point club during this road trip.

Speaking of the CUA/ETBU game, I wonder if Isom can pull off 39 minutes in the game, considering how much we push the pace, but ya never know...

Isom is good.  The CUA/ETBU game might be worth watching Isom alone! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:21:23 PM
Don't forget Maxwell. :)

Tonight's game features the Preseason Players of the Year in the ASC in Maxwell and Isom...I wish our Web broadcast worked on Macs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 09:20:03 PM
Thanks for alerting me to the CUA Webcast!

Chitwood Media is doing it!

CUA 46 ETBU 43. 0:30 left in the first half.

CUA 46 ETBU 43 at the half!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 09:58:21 PM
ETBU 73, CUA 61 10:38 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 10:05:56 PM
ETBU 79 , CUA  70; 7:06
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 10:16:22 PM
ETBU 91, CUA 83; 2:07
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 10:26:40 PM
ETBU 97, CUA 92; 0:23; ETBU throw-in.

Isom 37 points
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 10:29:25 PM
Final; at ETBU 100, CUA 92.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 10:37:07 PM
CUA -- McDonald 3FG 6-14, FG 10-19, FT 4-4; 30 points
CUA -- Maxwell FG 8-14 22 pts.
CUA 51 % FG for the game.

ETBU 63% FG  Isom led with 37 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 15, 2006, 08:39:21 AM
That's a good win for ETBU. They have been struggling so far this year, but this might help them right the ship.  Of course, any team that shoots 63% is going to be tough to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 15, 2006, 09:42:33 AM
Sheesh...Coach Bonewitz sure can get those boys to score like nobody's business, and I like him, but he can't coach defense worth a lick. We haven't held anyone below 50% shooting so far this year.

That's not to take away from ETBU, though. If I remember right, going into last night their average margin was around -5 points, so its not as if they were 1-8 becuase they were getting blown out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 15, 2006, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on December 15, 2006, 09:42:33 AM
Sheesh...Coach Bonewitz sure can get those boys to score like nobody's business, and I like him, but he can't coach defense worth a lick.

Perhaps "those boys" simply can't play defense. Coaching can do only so much.

BTW your address seems to indicate that you work for Concordia. If so, why the public negative comments about the institution?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2006, 10:04:46 AM
Thanks Ralph,

I am excited to see CUA this weekend against LETU.  LETU lives and dies by the three, so this could be "an old fashion Texas shootout". 

When they want to, LETU can play good pressure defense.  Last years LETU vs. CUA game saw CUA come back from 11 down at half to force overtime, then LETU's Smith hit a game winning jumper at the top of the key for a 93-92 victory.  LETU's big man Evers had 23 for that game while CUA's Maxwell had 21 on the night. 

What's the word on UMHB?

Tomorrow nights game for the guys is a 6pm start time and can be heard on www.audiosportsonline.com
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 15, 2006, 10:05:11 AM
Well, could be that too, I suppose.

As far as your other point, I've been a student assistant in the sports information department for the last three semesters. While I want the teams to do well, and the institution to grow in size and prestige, one has to call a spade a spade. CUA doesn't get a free pass in my book just because they're going to be my alma mater. If anything, it means I'm harder on them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 15, 2006, 10:54:10 AM
CUAfan:

OK, thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2006, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2006, 10:04:46 AM

What's the word on UMHB?

We can see what UMHB and HSU have when Virginia Wesleyan (http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Virginia%20Wesleyan&team=m) comes for the UMHB Tourney in late December!

Thanks to Coach DeWeese for bringing them down here!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2006, 11:25:10 AM
So from the look of things, if the ASC wants any respect, this is the year to do it. 

HSU and UMHB vs. #3 Virginia Wesleyan
MC vs. #14 John Hopkins

I'd like to see a couple of our teams make a run at the NCAA Tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 15, 2006, 11:31:01 AM
It's so hard for this conference to get two into the NCAA tournament.  The West beats up on each other and has too many losses by the end of the year.  In the East the only team that stands out at the end of the year is MC.

The only way we could get two teams in the tournament is to have an upset of MC in the conference tournament, which did happen a couple years ago.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 15, 2006, 11:39:28 AM
I was at the ETBU CUA game.  ETBU shot a high % because about 70 of their points were in the paint.  Isom was awesome tonight.  He played the last 14 minutes with 4 fouls.  Melvin Brewer and Cory Cooper were also very good last night.

Mcdonald was pretty crazy too.  He hit 3 or 4 three's in a row late in the game. One with several defenders hanging all over him.  Very impressive shooting performance.

Maxwell was solid as well.


I see Dusty Evers having a field day for LETU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2006, 03:30:51 PM
The greatest 3 pointer that I've seen in our conference has to be Casey Meddars from LC.  I swear that guy didn't miss.  If he would've had any help around him, I think he could've been a HUGE asset to a team.  I am looking forward to watching McDonald play for the first time. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 15, 2006, 04:29:08 PM
etbualum, when I saw the box score for that game I noticed a huge discrepancy in FTA. Now, I know ETBU was hammering it inside all night long, but I wanted to get your opinion of the officiating at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 15, 2006, 04:45:39 PM
I thought the officiating was pretty fair...notice I didn't say good.  Both team had several head scratchers. I did feel at the end of the game when CUA was pressing to get back in the refs let the teams play and that resulted in several turnovers.  Some of the disparity in free throws was also fouling to get back in the game at the end. In the last 2 minutes ETBU took 10 free throws.


Half of etbu's problems this year come from a lack of outside shooting.  A majority of the shots our team takes are in the paint.  The three guys that combined to shoot 30 of the 39 fts probably took 3 shots outside of the paint.   The interesting thing about CUA is that the overall team speed is great, but they did not do a good job of moving their feet.  I would venture to say etbu had about 7 or 8 basket plus the foul shots.  Probably 2 of those were ticky-tack the rest were justified.    Other than Maxwell CUA settled a lot for jumpers. 

I think Baptiste would help in the middle more at least altering shots but the pace of the game was too quick for him. 

CUA reminded me a lot of the mavericks against the kings a few years back.  Lots of reaching fouls on drives to the basket.  ETBU was 21-28 for 75% in the second half from the floor and only took 2 threes the entire game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 15, 2006, 04:51:57 PM
Meador was very good.  Ryan Vines was an LC guy that was also a dead eye and they played together at least one year.  Salinas from UTD also deserves mentioning.  He can get hot.  An ASC 3 pt contest would be something to watch.

McDonald-CUA
Weasby- UTT
Salinas- UTD
Bradley-LETU(at least the way he shot it against us last week, although it was the only time I have seen him play)

Bring back Meador and Vines, and I am sure that some of the old MCM teams probably had some great shooters.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 03:11:53 PM
Bradley is a little like Salinas in that both can go awhile without doing much and then all of a sudden they hit like 4 straight three's on you.  Pickelman may be the best pure shooter in the league this year.  He has already hit a number of clutch three's this season.  Probably not as explosive, but more consistent.

Free Throws may come into play today in the LETU-CUA game.  The YellowJackets have struggled all season from the line shooting just 60%.  I see that as a key to the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 16, 2006, 07:52:02 PM
Final

Trinity 67 @ HSU 60

Saturday, December 16.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2006, 08:04:18 PM
Actually a big win for Trinity.

Wanna play the comparative scores game?

HSU 64, McM 63
McM 75, Trinity 62
Trnity 67, HSU 60.

The interesting thing for the season perspective is that HSU now has 4 in-region losses.  McMurry can neutralize the December loss by winning in January!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 16, 2006, 08:13:41 PM
CUA -46
LETU - 36 Half

Maxwell out for the second half - injury in first five minutes of game. 

McDonald hits three at buzzer after steal and scores last five points of the half. 

Bradley 0-3 3pt- FGA
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 08:51:07 PM
LETU 74, CUA 74 -- 4:50 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 08:54:28 PM
LETU 76, CUA 74 - 3:22 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 16, 2006, 08:58:46 PM
etbu 50 umhb 73 final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 09:00:07 PM
LETU 77, CUA 74 -- 2:00 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 09:02:05 PM
LETU 77, CUA 77 -- 1:29 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 09:08:36 PM
LETU and CUA going to overtime
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 09:17:27 PM
LETU 84, CUA 79 -- 1:10 OT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2006, 09:21:22 PM
Keep the scores coming!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2006, 09:25:57 PM
LeTourneau holds on to win 88-79... Very impressed with Concordia especially with Maxwell barely playing.  McDonald was hitting his shots until OT.  LETU had to make a couple of stops at the end of regulation to send it to the extra frame.  Evers finished with 25 for Jackets while Dewones Smith added 21.  McDonald finished with 25 as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 16, 2006, 09:34:24 PM
Good win for 'Jackets.  Props for Smith on McDonald.  McDonald had 25 points, but worked hard for each point.  Very impressed with his shotting.

On the defensive end, Coleman played well on defense for LETU.  Bradley had an off night from the 3, shooting 1 for 10 from the behind the arc. 

All in all, great game on both sides of the court.  Losing Maxwell hurts CUA, but the bench for CUA played real well.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 17, 2006, 12:35:41 AM
going back to the post about shooters, rusty chapman from MC was a dead-eye and one of the best little guys to play in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2006, 12:36:27 AM
HPU 78 UT Tyler 67 I think.  I didn't get to see or listen to the game but looks like a decent win on the road for HPU.  Definitely will be a much tougher test on Monday against UT Dallas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 17, 2006, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: etbualum on December 15, 2006, 04:45:39 PM
The interesting thing about CUA is that the overall team speed is great, but they did not do a good job of moving their feet.

That about sums up what I think about their defense, too. Thanks for the foul info too.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 17, 2006, 10:03:06 PM
To anyone at the game, what kind of injury was Maxwell's?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: warped on December 17, 2006, 10:38:20 PM
Valentino Maxwell of CUA broke his foot in the Letourneau game and will miss the rest of this season...tough loss for CUA...hopefully he can get a red shirt year from this...does anyone know how that works??
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 17, 2006, 10:55:22 PM
Oh man...that bites. He's only six points short of 1000 for his career. Thanks for the info.

I doubt he can get a redshirt, he's played too many games this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 12:27:35 AM
HSU game report in the Abilene Reporter-News (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_5220119,00.html)

Salient quote--

Quote''We had a good scouting report,'' Howard said. ''We knew they could shoot the ball. They are a good team. They run their sets perfectly. Those are the teams we have problems with.''

This was a "dinged-up" HSU squad, so we must look at the loss as another benefit if the in-region records play a factor in the NCAA post-season.

Pickelman still has the bad wrist (FG 2-14, but FT 12-16 for his 16 points).  That is the same bad wrist that sank the last-second FG against McMurry.

HSU did not have Dinkins and Peters for the perimeter defense, either.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on December 18, 2006, 02:55:25 AM
The Chocs beat Schreiner 83-69.  Marcus Evans led all players with 15 points.  The Chocs are really playing well right now and I hope they can keep it up.  I cant wait until they go to Cali because this will be a chance to gain a little more respect with 2 wins.  GO CHOCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 18, 2006, 09:24:27 AM
Maxwell broke his foot?  From the look of things, it didn't look like that bad of an injury.  You could tell he was in obvious pain, but nothing more than a sprained ankle.  Tough blow for CUA.  I just can't figure out why CUA's record is 2-8, they may be the most athletic team I've seen so far this year, you'd think that would help them out in some games.  They have a couple of guys who can absolutley jump out of the gym, and their big man seem to be very physical in the low post. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 18, 2006, 02:25:11 PM
If we are talking about shooters now, i would go with Pickelman as well.  He has been knocking the 3 down since his freshman yr.  If we go to the past you have to mention Brad Waters from HSU and Alex Denson from McM.  Those are some of the best shooters I have seen and played against in this conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 02:57:01 PM
Going away from the top shooter talk... Anybody think that UTD will start getting some top 25 recognition?  At 9-0 they should at least start to receive some votes I would think.  I haven't seen them play yet, but it appears that Eppink must be pretty solid averaging close to 8 rebounds and shooting around 75 percent from the field.  Thoughts from anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 18, 2006, 03:12:24 PM
Brent Johnson (I think that was his name) from Ozarks.  He seemed to hit big shots when needed!  And he prefered NBA range three's. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 07:06:57 PM
LeTourneau 39, UMHB 35 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 07:42:38 PM
UMHB 57, LETU 53 -- 8:47 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 07:52:09 PM
LETU 64, UMHB 64 -- 4:16 left, LeTourneau in some foul trouble, Evers and Bradley each with 4 fouls
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 08:00:35 PM
66-65 LETU - 1:40 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 08:07:55 PM
67-65 LETU -- 27.1 seconds left, UMHB ball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 08:09:23 PM
offensive foul on UMHB, ball goes back to LETU with 17 ticks left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 08:12:58 PM
69-68 LETU -- 2 seconds left... Guyden just hit a three to cut the lead... LETU ball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 08:16:52 PM
LETU wins 71-68... desperation shot from 3/4 court hits the rim for UMHB
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 18, 2006, 08:21:36 PM
Was this the Men's game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 08:35:55 PM
Just got in from the UT-D/HPU game.

The game was HPU 37-30 at the half time.

With 5:25 left the Comets led 63-58.  The Comets pulled away at that point to win 85-71.

UT-D has plenty of tools.  Everyone knows about Martin Salinas.  He was 7-17 on FG's, 2-10 on 3FG's and only 1-6 fromthe line for 17 points.  Point Guard Travis Carruthers led UTD with 24 points (FG 6-10 3FG 4-8 and Ft 8-9) on 25 minutes.  Mike McKee had 15 and Scott Rodgers had 10 including FG 4-7 and 3FG 2-5.

Jordan Eppink, the Freshman Center from Spring HS, had 5 rebs as did Mike McKee.  UTD played 12 players and 8 had double digit minutes.  UT-d went 19-28 on Fg's in the 2nd half, and many of those were breakaways and 3 pointers (5-10).

For HPU, Josh Weatherred went 6-12 from the arc for 18 points.  Kendrick Johnson  led HPU with 24 and Sean wheeler went 5-7 on FG's and 2-5 on Ft's for 12 points.

UT-D goes to 10-0 and plays UT-Arlington on the 29th on the stage at Texas Hall.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: gccfan on December 18, 2006, 02:57:01 PM
Going away from the top shooter talk... Anybody think that UTD will start getting some top 25 recognition?  At 9-0 they should at least start to receive some votes I would think.  I haven't seen them play yet, but it appears that Eppink must be pretty solid averaging close to 8 rebounds and shooting around 75 percent from the field.  Thoughts from anyone?
gccfan, I think that I would like to stay off the radar screen until after the UT-Arlington game.

Eppink looked good.  I have seen him twice and he gives UT-Dallas something that I cannot remember UT-D having, a good inside presence.

I don't hold myself as a UT-D expert, but this team has been one of the better (non-MissColl) teams in the recent years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 18, 2006, 08:46:37 PM
Ralph you forgot to mention the most important stat.

HPU had 23 turnovers to UTD's 11.  That will get you beat every time.  I don't remember the count at the half but it sure wasn't that lopsided.  HPU just can't put two solid halves together.  That's the way they have played all year long.  If they decide to play a full game they'll be tough to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 08:52:25 PM
McM 15 ETBU 4; 13+ minutes in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 18, 2006, 08:46:37 PM
Ralph you forgot to mention the most important stat.

HPU had 23 turnovers to UTD's 11.  That will get you beat every time.  I don't remember the count at the half but it sure wasn't that lopsided.  HPU just can't put two solid halves together.  That's the way they have played all year long.  If they decide to play a full game they'll be tough to beat.

dballa, the pressure by UTD was not excessive so I don't know what to say.

I arrived at the game at the begining of the second half, so I am not sure what went wrong.  UT-D looked even sharper than they did against Austin College.  They may be able to push MissColl.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 08:58:38 PM
McM 24 ETBU 4, 9:37 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 09:33:29 PM
ETBU closes to 9 at the half 34-25.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2006, 09:38:16 PM
Mississippi College 40, TLU 21  early 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 09:41:42 PM
McM 40 ETBU 31 with Isom at the line.  14:47 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 09:55:59 PM
McM and ETBU are tied at 43 with 9 plus minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2006, 10:06:00 PM
MC 57, TLU 37  9:40 left in 2nd. (per MC announcers, refs are calling a tight game and MC's coach got T'd up early in 2nd half).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 10:10:16 PM
ETBU 57 McM 55 with 3+ minutes left.

ETBU has only made 12 of 32 FTA's tonight.


McM 60-58.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 10:11:32 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2006, 10:06:00 PM
MC 57, TLU 37  9:40 left in 2nd. (per MC announcers, refs are calling a tight game and MC's coach got T'd up early in 2nd half).

And that game is being played in Clinton?   :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 10:20:49 PM
ETBU 68 McM 62 0:52 left.

McM Stevens FT  2-2  ETBU 68-64
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2006, 10:21:15 PM
You are correct, sir, it is in Clinton.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 10:29:14 PM
This is just ugly!!!

ETBU is leading by 5 with 33 seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 10:30:39 PM
20.41 sec, ETBU leads by 1.  ETBU double-dribbled.  ETBU 70-69 and McM has the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 10:33:10 PM
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I lost the signal after the referees called a charging foul against McM.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 10:34:40 PM
We lost.  Final: ETBU 70, McM 69.

The announcers say that as we got the ball at the very end with the chance to win it, we couldn't get the ball to go in.  They aren't happy with the refs, who, they say, failed to call ETBU fouls as the ball was shot.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2006, 10:35:39 PM
MC 77, TLU 53.  Final.  (TLU apparently went some 8 minutes without a field goal in 1st half, and that slump cost them big time).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2006, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 10:34:40 PM
We lost.  Final: ETBU 70, McM 69

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 10:46:45 PM
The problem is that this is the second time we've lost by 1 point after blowing a first-half lead.  We were ahead by 21 points at one point, then fell apart.  Is this a McM second-half jinx or what?
Coach Holmes is on the radio right now, and he's not a happy camper.  It would probably be best not to quote him on this board... ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 18, 2006, 10:52:58 PM
Sounds like the HPU/McM series may be a good close one this year...neither one can play a full 40 mins.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 18, 2006, 11:16:33 PM
The refs were bad but I thought they gave MCM several extra chances.  Coach Holmes "followed" the refs to the door of the gym to let them know he was not happy after the game.  To call a foul on the last shot would have been just wrong.  The ball was on the baseline and hit the underside of the backboard.  I dont know if he would have made it with nobody else on the court. MCM got away with a foul to get the ball back.   With 30 secs left MCM was trying to foul but the refs wouldnt call it.  That led to two turnovers.  The first offensive foul on mcm was iffy.  It would have tied the game.  Down one with 10 seconds left the kid just lowered his shoulder and bulled to the rim it was a pretty easy call. 

Great comeback for the tigers.  They looked like they couldnt do anything right in the first half.  Too bad we are at the break now having won 2 of our last 3/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 19, 2006, 10:03:10 AM
Looks like from the scores MC is back to playing hard-nosed defense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 19, 2006, 10:27:32 AM
Good win for LETU last night.  Seems like they can't pull away from anyone and are winning the close games.  In the past, LETU teams would've folded and figured out a way to lose that game, but in the end pulled it off.  Watch out for Freshman JJ Rockmore - came off the bench and poured in 18 points off of 7/8 shooting.  Evers drilled his first 4 shots in the first 6 minutes of the game and then was quiet after that, but played well against UMHB's big man.  Guyden from UMHB is the real deal, very quick.  But his late charge hurt them.  If LETU can keep this young squad intact with only 1 senior & 1 junior, and 7 freshman and sophmores getting significant playing time, they could be good in the future.  Heading into Christmas break 6-3 on the young season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 19, 2006, 02:15:30 PM
I am stunned to hear about the McM-ETBU game last night.  I guess it just goes to show you that when that once the ball is throw up anything can happen.

RT -  good to hear about UTD, even though as a LeTourneau fan I want to beat them, it's good for the conference to have a team that can rival MC in the East.  I think it also leaves the possibility for a better chance at multiple tourney bids.

Anybody with a strong argument for the Player of the Year so far?  I see Isom, Salinas, Pickelman, Guyden, Evers and Broomfield as the most impressive so far.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 19, 2006, 04:01:01 PM
In my opinion, McDonald belongs in that conversation too, even if he is a sophomore. If he can carry CUA now that Maxwell is done for the year, he deserves a look.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 19, 2006, 04:25:22 PM
Well, first of all I want to let you all know that I'm a bit of a stats geek.  When I asked my question about player of the year I thought it would do me good to do a little research.  I couple of weeks back in SI, they had an article on their player ratings and actually included the formula for how they do it.  Anyways I took that formula and plugged in the latest stats I could find for the top 4 or 5 players from each team in the league.  The value factors in FG%, 3FG%, FT%, ORB, DRB, AST, TO, BLK, STL, PTS, made shots and missed shots.  So it's pretty comprehensive.  I think I remember LeBron having a rating in the low 60s or something like that.  Anyways, here is the top 10 in the ASC so far.

1. Chris Isom, ETBU - 49.91
2. Mardochee Jean, HSU - 48.25
3. Joel McDonald, CUA - 45.22
4. Kendrick Johnson, HPU - 45.00
5. Martin Salinas, UTD - 44.15
6. Zach Pickelman, HSU - 43.00
7. Habeeb Kareem, UO - 40.13
8. Josh Johnson, LC - 39.89
9. Timothy Broomfield, MC - 39.63
10. Jonathan Young, SU - 39.00

Quote from: CUAfan on December 19, 2006, 04:01:01 PM
In my opinion, McDonald belongs in that conversation too, even if he is a sophomore. If he can carry CUA now that Maxwell is done for the year, he deserves a look.

It appears that you are very right in throwing McDonald's name in the hat CUA Fan
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 19, 2006, 04:34:20 PM
I did much the same thing with that formula when I got it, but I subbed minutes played for team games played. That way players whose production is largely due to playing time get brought down a little, while more productive players who get less time get a boost. Though, I was testing it on last year's numbers to see how it worked and hadn't run any from this year. Been too busy for that anyway.

And I think that POY should be separated a bit from team performance, since its a player award, not a team one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 19, 2006, 04:37:59 PM
One problem with my method, though, is that I've noticed that ETBU, when operating the stat program the conference uses, doesn't keep track of substitutions, so minutes played will be off, especially for ETBU's players...though I'd guess that the effect is lessened when they play elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 19, 2006, 05:04:16 PM
When you first approached this question, I had already made up my mind.  Now that you've shown this formula, it just helped confirmed that.  My feeling is that Isom is the player of the year if the season were to end right now, with the thinking that w/o him, I don't think ETBU wins a game.  I haven't seen ETBU play, but based on stats, it looks as if everything goes through him.  I realize the arguement that his team doesn't have a winning record, but I still have to stick with him.  While those other players are star players and key to their teams' success, I don't think any of those teams rely on their players as much as ETBU relies on Isom. 

MC fans - what are your thoughts on MC's trip to California?  Do they match up well with John Hopkins?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on December 20, 2006, 01:23:53 AM
Well I  think MC macthes up well against a good John Hopkins team.  It will be a big test for Broomfield, Winford, and Evans to try and stop this Nawrocki kid who is averaging 14 pts  and 11rebs a game.  I aslo think that MC needs to dictate the tempo and play their game to have a good chance to win.  Another factor is that John Hopkins last game was Dec. 9 so they might be a little bit rusty so that will be good for MC.  The key players like Gene Hunt and Johnathan Collins must use their quickness to create foul trouble and get others involved.  I think MC wins by at least 10.   Go CHOCS!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 02:46:46 PM
MC Boy - not to change the subject to quick, but why did your baseball coach resign?  I see to explore business ventures, but was there pressure from the higher ups?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 20, 2006, 10:27:57 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on December 20, 2006, 02:46:46 PM
MC Boy - not to change the subject to quick, but why did your baseball coach resign?  I see to explore business ventures, but was there pressure from the higher ups?
no pressure from anyone.  all his decision
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 21, 2006, 09:34:31 AM
That's great to hear.  I had an opportunity to meet him a few times and seemed like he was a great man and coach.

Back to bball - looks like that final playoff spot on the east side is going to be a battle between ETBU and LETU, with UT-Tyler being a spoiler!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 21, 2006, 12:39:36 PM
Has anybody heard of any possible transfers at the break that could be difference making?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: career_kid on December 21, 2006, 12:42:35 PM
Bearkat, Tyler isn't eligible for the ASC Championship this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 21, 2006, 01:18:05 PM
Yes, but they still play spoiler in games with ETBU and LETU.  You look at the remaining schedules for both teams, since ETBU and LETU are travel partners, and you figure both teams will go into each game the same.  For example, MC & UTD should be the favorite over both ETBU and LETU when they play.  Therefore, key games will be against a team like UT-Tyler , whose own record doesn't count, yet beating them is key in making the playoffs.  For LETU and ETBU, you would want UT-Tyler to beat Ozarks and LC.  I hope that makes sense and if anyone else can explain it better or understands what I am trying to get at, then by all means chime in!

Merry Christmas all!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 21, 2006, 01:25:31 PM
Bearkat, your point about Isom is valid, as far as it goes. But his numbers could be due what could be dubbed the "watcher effect" (think the Lakers last season with Kobe). If, as his stats make it look, Isom is really that much better than his teammates, his numbers will be inflated as his teammates try to feed him the ball since he's the best on the team. Now, I haven't seen him play, but when looking at the stats one has to keep in mind the quality of his supporting cast and the effect that has on those stats. Kevin Garnett has (I think) better numbers than Tim Duncan, but Duncan has two All-Star caliber guards on the team, so his stats don't necessarily reflect his talent level.

All that aside, I do think that stats should have a greater influence on POY than team record.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 21, 2006, 05:38:39 PM
ETBU could push LETU for that playoff spot but it will be tough unless they gain a split in the season series.

As for the supporting cast due to grades and quitters etbu has lost several starters when the season began.  The supporting cast is starting to gain some steam.  Isom is the best all around player in the conference.  He is the second leading rebounder, and third leading scorer with every team coming in and knowing he is the focus.  I understand the "watch effect" but his numbers are suffering because of the attention that has been paid to him.  UMHB doubled and tripled him with regularity.  MCM was doing the same thing and when Endres and Whitmire hit a couple 3s he got a lot more room.  I understand we have a lot of great players in this conference but if I am drafting a team of ASC player then I am selecting Chris with the first pick. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 22, 2006, 06:45:21 PM
etbualum, I agree with you.  I know a couple of people over in Marshall and they tell me that he is regularly double team and triple teamed.  From my understanding, LETU may be the only team that has played him straight up.  I know what ETBU is going through with a whole new supporting cast.  It seems that LETU does that every year except this year, with 3 starters returning from last year's team. 

I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 24, 2006, 10:01:02 AM
Also true, etbualum. It's tough to know for sure about that kind of thing when you don't get to see the team play. Isom's a senior, right? Too bad I won't get to see him play in person, sounds like he's quite the sight to behold.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 26, 2006, 03:17:29 PM
weve been spoiled with some really good players...maybe you can see him in the conf tourney
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 27, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
Those of you interested in the philosophy and finances of D3 athletics will be interested in a series of articles in the Maryville (TN) DailyTimes.  The focus is Maryville and the GSAC they refer quite a bit to other schools in other leagues, including ODAC, SCAC, USASouth, WIAC, and others. Here are links to the first two:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061226/SPORTS/612260319&SearchID=73267240633587

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061227/SPORTS/612270306http://

Each links to a second, related, article.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 27, 2006, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: etbualum on December 26, 2006, 03:17:29 PM
weve been spoiled with some really good players...maybe you can see him in the conf tourney

You mean yall have been spoiled with 2 very good brothers
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 28, 2006, 11:09:39 AM
Here are links to today's Maryville Daily Times articles on D3 athletics.  These are about the big-small/public-private issues in D3 (1st link) and D3 schools preparation of grads for life's challenges.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270318

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270317
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 28, 2006, 04:18:57 PM
Nice articles... Kind of tells us things we probably already know, but it's good for the public to understand.  D3 is definitely the least equitable of all three NCAA divisions.  Another thing I liked was that they pointed out that many D3 players could have gone up a division or two, but decided to "pay to play" instead.  Hope everyone had a great Christmas.  Looks like things are going to start picking up in a day or two.  I'm actually down in South Padre for a women's tournament and noticed that the Transylvania men's team is down here.  Unfortunately they play at the same time as the games I have to work at.  I really wanted to see how they played.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 28, 2006, 04:45:07 PM
gccfan, let us know on the women's board how the South Padre tournament goes.  Will there be any internet radio broadcast of the games, live stats, or will we just have to wait to find out the scores and all?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 28, 2006, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: dballa on December 28, 2006, 04:45:07 PM
gccfan, let us know on the women's board how the South Padre tournament goes.  Will there be any internet radio broadcast of the games, live stats, or will we just have to wait to find out the scores and all?

Done
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 28, 2006, 06:51:53 PM
Just as a sidebar, but as a relatively new person to the message board how is karma computed?  I'm guessing I haven't posted enough to be given the option to karma-ize people yet, but was just wondering what the procedure was.  Ralph, I'm guessing you would be a man in the know on this subject.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2006, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: gccfan on December 28, 2006, 06:51:53 PM
Just as a sidebar, but as a relatively new person to the message board how is karma computed?  I'm guessing I haven't posted enough to be given the option to karma-ize people yet, but was just wondering what the procedure was.  Ralph, I'm guessing you would be a man in the know on this subject.

Karma on the FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=41)

gccfan, this will answer questions.  The veteran posters (I am not sure when that occurs) applaud really good , very funny, insightful or helpful posts or posters.  That raises the Karma.  For really stupid or inappropriate posts, you can smite another poster, which lowers his/her karma.

Most veterans are appreciative when you contribute insight from games, find scores and hyperlinks, and provide analysis that cannot obtained easily anywhere else.

So far, my impression is that you are contributing to the content of this board, and I have given you a few karma points. :)

We fans always like to read well-considered, "well-thought out" posts.  This is where we can get reports that make this so much fun.

Think about it...how many fans do you know that are about as knowledgeable as your local sports broadcaster in their areas of interest!  You believe those guys.  Pat Coleman has provided us with a place where we can do the same thing.

Good guys on this board...jungle, McMbluedevil and mcmfan(McM), etbu alum, dsc and HSUats (HSU) , dballa and sethHPU (HPU), sr51 and sulrosslobos (SRSU) and several others that I have left out.  Warren Thompson, scottiedoug (Maryville TN) are good posters who contribute frequently.  Karma basically tells you whether you can believe them to be a good fan.

New posters that I have enjoyed this year include CUAfan, Bearkat00, kid nice, MC boy, hoopstar and hoopshops.

Welcome aboard!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 29, 2006, 12:49:33 AM
Currently you reach karma-giving levels at 200 posts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 29, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
Any thoughts on tonights games in Belton?  HSU vs Ripon and UMHB vs Virginia Wesleyan.  I think it will be a good test for both teams.  If both teams come out of this Classic 2-0 it should bring alot of credibility to the ASC and possibly help us get more than just an automatic bid into the tournament.  Looking forward to hearing scores.


GO COWBOYS.......and CRU?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 29, 2006, 11:41:54 AM

Here is the link to the fourth and final article in my local newspaper about Division III athletics.  There is a hotlink to a companion article near the beginning of the article.

It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061229/SPORTS/612290323
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 29, 2006, 11:48:29 AM
hoopshops... It would definitely be a very good thing for both HSU and UMHB to go 2-0, but that might just be a pipe dream at this point in the season.  I have seen both teams play and each is solid, but I don't know if they can match up with the defending national champs.  It seems like HSU is a little banged up right now and I just don't think UMHB has enough horses.  Hopefully they will prove me wrong though.  One big advantage for both teams is that they have not had to travel near as far and strange things can happen over Christmas break because of the time off most teams are given.

Ralph... thanks for the clarification.  I have really enjoyed the ASC posts because of the insight given by others and relative good naturedness of everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 29, 2006, 12:09:41 PM
http://www.westmont.edu/ftp/ronsmith/MBasket/061229A/xlive.htm

This should be the link to live stats for the MC-JHU game.  I think the game starts at 5:30 EST
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 29, 2006, 04:34:09 PM
I hope all the games in Texas go on without a hitch and that folks trekking to them stay safe: up here in Pennsylvania, I just heard that there's a tornado watch running from Corpus all the way to Dallas. Odd weather for this time of year, even for my native state.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: gccfan on December 29, 2006, 12:09:41 PM
http://www.westmont.edu/ftp/ronsmith/MBasket/061229A/xlive.htm

This should be the link to live stats for the MC-JHU game.  I think the game starts at 5:30 EST
you can listen at http://gochoctaws.com/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 09:00:48 PM
7:30 1ST H 26-8 CHOCTAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 29, 2006, 09:04:06 PM
Hopkins have no offense against MC. They are turning it over almost every possession. Chocs now up by 20 ;D



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 09:06:07 PM
4:22 1 H 30-8 MC
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 29, 2006, 09:14:30 PM
36-19 Mc Halftime
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
half 36-19 MC :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 09:21:10 PM
Thanks for the score.  Live Stats is not working with the link that I have.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 29, 2006, 09:25:22 PM
Ralph, they just updated the live stats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 09:35:03 PM
Chocs 44, JHU 19!  Big whooping!  That is the #13 team?

Chocs by 25 with 17:55 remaining! :)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 09:35:03 PM
Chocs 44, JHU 19!  Big whooping!  That is the #13 team?

Chocs by 25 with 17:55 remaining! :)


Don't jinx us please
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 09:40:42 PM
14:16 2 h 46-26 MC
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 09:53:58 PM
Chocs are playing some killer def
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 10:07:03 PM
Chocs by 29 points with 2 minutes remaining.  72-43!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 10:10:14 PM
Chocs have 16 steals and 9 blocks so far.  0:34 left.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 29, 2006, 10:11:37 PM
CHOCTAWS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 10:12:51 PM
Chocs 75 JHU 51.  Way to go Chocs!

(This is not a South Region game, but it will not hurt the Chocs, if JHU wins the Centennial Conference.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 10:19:33 PM
Timothy Broomfiled had 7 blocks and 3 steals for the Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on December 29, 2006, 10:35:43 PM
Winford had 8 at the half. How did he finish?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2006, 10:46:32 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on December 29, 2006, 10:35:43 PM
Winford had 8 at the half. How did he finish?

10 points for Winford. (http://www.westmont.edu/ftp/ronsmith/MBasket/061229A/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on December 29, 2006, 10:55:25 PM
How exactly is this tourney working? I know each team is offered two games, is the champion the best record.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 29, 2006, 11:16:14 PM
UMHB's website reports the Cru beat defending champs Va Wes 63-62.

Nice night for the ASC!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2006, 01:04:00 AM
Phew, thanks for the Johns Hopkins reality check, MC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 30, 2006, 11:44:08 AM
After watching both teams play, the result of MC-JH does not surprise me.  I told the MC coaches when they were here that they would beat them double digits.

Great night last night for the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 30, 2006, 12:25:48 PM
Wow, I did not see the UMHB upset coming at all.  That is a great win for them.  Countered with the MC shellacking of JHU, that should give the ASC some new found respect around D3.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2006, 08:04:39 PM
UT-D 78, UTArlington 76.  More to come.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on December 30, 2006, 09:01:21 PM
Any word on the McM - SHSU game?  I can't get it on streaming audio anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2006, 09:15:09 PM
gccfan, I saw UTD tonight.  They played a very disciplined well-controlled game.  They move the ball well.  Martin Salinas was able to hit some early 3 pointers and put UTD up by 7 (19-12) at the 13:08 mark in the first.  UTA led 35-34 at the half.  Salinas gave Trinity all it could handle 2 years ago in the first round in Trinity's 66-60 win over UT-D.  IMHO, he is All-Region at the least.

Jordan Eppink is a very good freshman cneter (6'5" from Spring, TX  Houston suburb).  He missed some FT's at the end but did not hurt them. 

Scott Rodgers from The Woodlands,TX  is a 6'1" freshman who came off the bench for 19 points.  Rodgers was expecting looks from D1's, but got none and so was convinced to walk onto UT-D team when he arrived on campus this fall.  Rodgers got most of his points by taking the backdoor pass down low, I have his being 6-6 on 2FG's, almost all backdoor layups, plus 2 more assists on the backdoor play into the basket.  He is very good.

Travis Carruthers is a very heady 5'10" senior PG.  He runs the offense very well.

Mike McKee, a 6'2" junior from Houston, seems to pull the major defensive duties.

Ernie Lowrey, 6'1" sophomore from Spring, TX, seems to be the most athletic player on the team.

Brandon Green, a 6'1" Freshman from Houston, came off the bench for 9 points in 14 minutes.

UTD 78, UT-Arlington 76 (http://utamavs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/uta11.html)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2006, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: mcmfanatic on December 30, 2006, 09:01:21 PM
Any word on the McM - SHSU game?  I can't get it on streaming audio anywhere.

No word.  SHSU is not streaming this game on KSAM, their local FM station.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on December 30, 2006, 11:06:53 PM
Does anybody know how to get live statistics for the MC-Westmont game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2006, 11:21:46 PM
SHSU 86, McM 55. (http://www.gobearkats.com/basketball/men/mcmurry.html)
Positives were seen.  Apparently, the news of the (fellow Southland Conference member) UT-Arlington defeat spread like wildfire and lit a fire under SHSU.  There went any chance of surprise! :-\

From the SFASU web site, Stephen F Austin 89, HPU 63.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 30, 2006, 11:52:06 PM
http://www.westmont.edu/ftp/ronsmith/MBasket/061230b/xlive.htm
website for live updates on the mc game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 30, 2006, 11:53:39 PM
10:10 2 h 58-57 westmont
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:06:57 AM
4:25 2h 68-61 mc
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 12:07:44 AM
Looks good, doesn't it!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:14:57 AM
2:56 2 h 73-66 mc
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 12:16:49 AM
Broomfield is having a great game  FG7-12, 3FG 7-8, FT 1-1 for 22 points with 6 boards.

MC 75-70 1:52 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:21:44 AM
under 1 min chocs up 75-71
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:26:01 AM
19 sec 77-73 chocs :-[
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 31, 2006, 12:29:11 AM
79-75 MC  6.4 seconds remain
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:32:52 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D CHOCS WIN  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 31, 2006, 12:33:30 AM
Choctaws WIN!!! 81-77
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 31, 2006, 12:34:31 AM
-- GAME TOTALS -- GAME OVER --
HOME TEAM: Westmont                  77  VISITORS: Mississippi College        81
## -NAME-  FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP  ## -NAME-  FG-FA 3M-3A FT-FA RB AS F TP
10*DUTTON,  2-7   1-3   0-0   0  2 1  5  00*HUDSON,  5-5   0-0   0-0   1  1 4 10
12*ALLEN,L  5-10  3-5   3-5   6  1 1 16  01*BROOMFI  7-12  7-8   1-2   7  3 1 22
13*HOFER,C  1-1   0-0   0-0   0  0 0  2  02*J. JONE  5-10  2-3   4-6   5  4 1 16
24*SCHMALB  3-5   1-1   0-0   3  4 4  7  03 CRUMEDY  0-0   0-0   0-0   0  0 0  0
25 WARE,JO  7-9   4-5   0-0   1  2 5 18  05 HUNT,GE  1-2   1-2   2-2   0  1 1  5
33 BENAC,D  0-3   0-0   0-0   2  0 2  0  22*COLLINS  1-2   0-0   3-4   2  6 2  5
44 RAGER,S  0-2   0-0   2-2   2  0 0  2  23 EVANS,M  5-7   0-0   5-6   5  2 3 15
50*AGUIRRE  8-16  0-0  11-15  7  3 3 27  25 TROTTER  0-1   0-1   0-0   0  0 0  0
52 SHORTS,  0-3   0-0   0-0   7  3 5  0  34*EUGENE,  1-2   0-1   0-0   1  0 2  2
54 MILLER,  0-0   0-0   0-0   0  0 0  0  35 WINFORD  3-9   0-0   0-0   2  0 5  6

TOTALS.... 26-56  9-14 16-22 31 15 21    TOTALS.... 28-50 10-15 15-20 25 17 19 
TEAM--> FG:46.4%  3FG:64.3%  FT:72.7%    TEAM--> FG:56.0%  3FG:66.7%  FT:75.0% 
TEAM--> TURNOVERS:11 BLOCKS:2 STEALS:7   TEAM--> TURNOVERS:14 BLOCKS:3 STEALS:8
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:38:56 AM
all conference: D.J. Jones, Marcus Evens, Tim Broomfield
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:41:42 AM
Maybe the asc will get a little more respect after this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:44:06 AM
which posting catagory has the john hopkins and the westmont fans in it
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 12:50:53 AM
Hmm ... so we can enable you gloating?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 12:53:22 AM
no gloating. just want to see what they say about us and our conference
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 01:07:01 AM
Westmont is in the NAIA.

As for Johns Hopkins, here's a thought -- use the tools available on this very Web site and find out.

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Mississippi%20College&team=m
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 01:16:33 AM
UT-D goes to Clinton on Jan 11th.

The Chocs come to Dallas on Feb 15th.

Remember that McMurry saw JHU at their tourney in the first weekend, and knowledgeable observers predicted a double-digit MC win when they played the Bluejays.

The games with the Comets will be good, and they have beaten the Chocs before (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=43104)!  ;)

Might the ASC tourney be in Dallas this year? ???

That would neutralize the Choctaws.  Dallas is an easy drive for the 4 best ASC-West teams!

This will be fun! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 01:39:32 AM
On the ODAC board, reliable VWC poster FISHTANKFAN says that First Team  All-American Forward Brandon Adair did not play for VWC vs. HSU.

Keep that in the back of the mind.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on December 31, 2006, 02:21:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 01:16:33 AM
UT-D goes to Clinton on Jan 11th.

The Chocs come to Dallas on Feb 15th.

Remember that McMurry saw JHU at their tourney in the first weekend, and knowledgeable observers predicted a double-digit MC win when they played the Bluejays.

The games with the Comets will be good, and they have beaten the Chocs before (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=43104)!  ;)

Might the ASC tourney be in Dallas this year? ???

That would neutralize the Choctaws.  Dallas is an easy drive for the 4 best ASC-West teams!

This will be fun! :)

not to be negative (lord knows my karma doesn't need to go any lower) but what does ut-d's win in feb 05 have to do with anything.

this is a new year, new players, and a new coach (for mc).

i have no doubt that ut-d has a great team, and chances are that they will probally make it to the ncaa tourny, but come on ralph a win in 05. chances are
almost everyteam has beaten each other at some point.





Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 08:43:40 AM
Good morning balls,

I won't smite your karma for a genuine and respectful "fan" debate about the coming games!  I gave you that karma point that you have for the link to the Live Stats to the Westmont game that you posted in reply 1802!   Thanks!  That gave me time to go find the audio link on the Chocs web site! ;)

This season will be too much fun.

You are right about these teams being different teams and seasons.  I think that the key to this UTD team is the leadership by Salinas and the senior point guard Carruthers, both of whom were there in Clinton in the tourney in 2005.  This team plays with its brains as much as any team that I have seen in the ASC.  They have some athleticism to them (I like#24 Ernie Lowery's athleticism and #23 Mike McKee is a very talented athlete),  but this UTD team plays "smart".  They were unfazed, when they were down 14 points with 8 minutes to go!  When UTA started to play more "athletically" with the lead, UTD handled it very well.  Also, I think they (UTD) are less fazed by the "Golden Dome mystique" than anyone in the conference.

The ASC Tie-breaker guidelines (in pdf) (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/) are linked on the right side of the page.  Tiebreaker #3 for two teams that are 19-1 Co-champs in East Division play is point differential up to 10 pts max.  I think that we need to be considering this, the point differential in the home-and-home, today.

Have a Happy New Year's Eve tonight!  Be safe!  Congratulations on the Westmont wins!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 31, 2006, 12:28:18 PM
Ralph, Thanks for post 1798.  It's always good to hear an eye witness account.  For the last few years I have been waiting for UTD to have a break out season and this appears to be it.  Before, it seemed like they would start very slowly and then get things rolling by the end of the season.  I think you are absolutely right in crediting their senior leadership at the guard spot.  I think Carruthers is generally underrated, but I think he has proven that he is exactly what a winning teams needs... a distributor who can hit the big shot and is money at the line.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 01:27:15 PM
CUA 89, D-2 Incarnate Word 85! (http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/basketball_men/news.html#newsitemEEyZVuEEZFFaMtmUHy)

No box score yet on the UIW website.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 31, 2006, 03:02:03 PM
Concordia and Incarnate Word are old rivals from a now-defunct D2 league (whose name escapes me), though this was the first meeting since 1999.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 03:04:14 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 31, 2006, 03:02:03 PM
Concordia and Incarnate Word are old rivals from a now-defunct D2 league (whose name escapes me), though this was the first meeting since 1999.

Was it the old (?NAIA?) Heart of Texas Conference?  UMHB, Southwestern, St Ed's, UIW, CUA, TLU?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 31, 2006, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 03:04:14 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on December 31, 2006, 03:02:03 PM
Concordia and Incarnate Word are old rivals from a now-defunct D2 league (whose name escapes me), though this was the first meeting since 1999.

Was it the old (?NAIA?) Heart of Texas Conference?  UMHB, Southwestern, St Ed's, UIW, CUA, TLU?

That's it ... give the man a cigar! St. Mary's was also a member, and I think Houston Baptist, as well. Some of these venues were, earlier, also members of the Big State Conference. When the Big State was functioning, Incarnate Word was still an all-women institution.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 31, 2006, 09:13:17 PM
I went nuts when I saw that we won that UIW game. Keep in mind that we won that game without Maxwell in the lineup (to the best of my knowledge, anyway). I really want to see that box score.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on January 01, 2007, 08:13:40 AM
Congratulations to UT Dallas.  What a way to start the new year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2007, 11:24:18 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on January 01, 2007, 08:13:40 AM
Congratulations to UT Dallas.  What a way to start the new year!
Good morning, Bill!!

Glad to see you over here!  The CRU was on the national stage "the night that they drove ol' VWC down"!

We are watching for a Top 25 record entrance by UT-D.  The highest premiere on Top 25 is 17th place and 209 votes.  The poll comes out Tuesday or Wednesday.

UT-D must go to Abilene this weekend for HSU first and then McMurry.  Students resume classes on Jan 15th.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2007, 09:33:10 PM
Lamar 81 LC 64, less than 4 minutes left.  LC has hit 13 3FG's tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2007, 09:40:59 PM
Final D-1  Lamar 91, LaCollege 76.  LC hit 15 3FG's tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 02, 2007, 10:04:36 AM
Happy New Year to all!

Good to see the ASC represented well over the break.  Props to UT-D with their big win against UTA.  Hopefully this will earn the respect that we all felt they deserved this season in the Pre-season polls.  I have some people from UTA who said that while UTA was far more athletic (which wasn't a suprise), UT-D played some smart basketball and from the start we not intimitated by the D-1 program.  He said he was very impressed with UT-D "knowledge" of the game.  Being from the Houston area (Spring), I know a couple of UT-D players were some big names down in that area who were suprised not to get lower D1 looks (SHSU, Lamar, La. Tech, etc.). 

The thing that suprises me most about this year is UT-Tyler's play.  Any word on why they are down?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 02, 2007, 01:32:26 PM
GREAT WEEK OF HOOPS FOR THE ASC!!!!  If people around the nation didnt know how tough we were they do now.  This should have done alot to give us some of the respect we deserve and help us get some at large bids.  This week definitely proved that we can play with any conference in the nation because i have seen some of the teams in the PA region play such as Lincoln and Wooster out in OH and feel that the tops teams in our league can compete with and beat these schools.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2007, 11:39:36 PM
Hendrix 73, UOzarks 67 (http://65.209.1.78/athletics/mbasketball/stats/06_07/teamstat.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 03, 2007, 09:30:30 AM
UT-Dallas finally received recognition they deserved and entered into the Top 25.  Congrats UT-D!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 03, 2007, 03:54:05 PM
Congrats to the Choctaws for winning the tournament in CA and to UMHB to beating the defending champs. UT-Dallas as well. However, everyone on here is saying the ASC is getting the respect it finally deserves, but what has the ASC really done. We have only been out of the Sweet 16 once and up until this year  nobody really has played a strong out of conference schedule.  Of course it is hard to play out of conference when you have 47 conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on January 03, 2007, 08:04:04 PM
To follow Nice Kid's comment, UTD must feel a little like Boise State today.  Granted they cracked the top 25, but to only hit 18 seems a little stingy on the voters behalf.  While you can say that UTD has not yet hit the tough teams in conference at this time, it doesn't really jive when you look at some of the other highly ranked teams.  Whitworth for example has had a pretty weak schedule, plays in a weak conference, but is much closer to the top.  Is it regional bias, lack of respect for the ASC, or something else?  This looks to be a very competitive race this year in the ASC, especially in the west, with several very good teams.  Unfortunately it looks like having a tough conference may not count for much in the rankings or tournament bids.  If I'm all wet, just say so, I can take it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2007, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: mcmfanatic on January 03, 2007, 08:04:04 PM
To follow Nice Kid's comment, UTD must feel a little like Boise State today.  Granted they cracked the top 25, but to only hit 18 seems a little stingy on the voters behalf.  While you can say that UTD has not yet hit the tough teams in conference at this time, it doesn't really jive when you look at some of the other highly ranked teams.  Whitworth for example has had a pretty weak schedule, plays in a weak conference, but is much closer to the top.  Is it regional bias, lack of respect for the ASC, or something else?  This looks to be a very competitive race this year in the ASC, especially in the west, with several very good teams.  Unfortunately it looks like having a tough conference may not count for much in the rankings or tournament bids.  If I'm all wet, just say so, I can take it.

Actually, coming in at #22 was 4th highest "debuntante" appearance ever (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=224).  Whitworth won 6 games by November 25th, including a quality win over Wheaton IL.  They debuted at #18 and they have floated up as higher teams have lost.  Mississippi College started at #11 and then dropped to #20 after the loss to Wesley MS.  The Chocs have "floated back up" just like Whitworth.

mcmfanatic, I don't want to sound like I'm smacking you down, but as for respect, we have Miss College up to #10, and the Chocs have never won an Elite 8 game!  We ASC teams have not seen much top calibre play, and IMHO there is actually very little difference between #12 and #32 in D3 on a national level.

I think that the problem that we have in the ASC is that we are very balanced, and there is very little difference amongst the top 5-7 programs, but our strengths are usually in the Top 30-60 range.

We beat each other up, and that won't get a Pool C bid.  Let me encourage you to review the Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2007/2007_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf).  I think that the best chance for an at-large bid is for someone to upset MissCollege, who gets the Pool C bid, and win the tourney championship (Pool A) bid for themselves.  Mississippi College is the only ASC team to get a Pool C bid anyway.

I think that the best way for us to get more bids is for the ASC to break into 2 conferences.  But that is another discussion.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 03, 2007, 11:00:48 PM
Granted, I don't entirely understand the alphabet soup concerning tourney bids (a link to a description thereof would be greatly appreciated), but here's my take on it.

If UTD and MC keep it up, that's two teams in the Dance. Now, I haven't been around D3 sports for long, but I'm thinking that getting two teams from one conference into the tourney is a fairly impressive feat in and of itself. If even one team from the ASC makes the Sweet 16, that's good. Being able to boast one of the top 16 teams in D3 is good for the conference. I just don't get all this "haven't made it past the Sweet 16" talk. If the ASC can keep a team in the Sweet 16 with regularity, that's not too shabby at all. Not that I don't understand the idea of getting to the "next level," but keep in mind that only 16 teams out of all D3 make it that far, making it a rare feat.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: mcmfanatic on January 03, 2007, 08:04:04 PM
To follow Nice Kid's comment, UTD must feel a little like Boise State today.  Granted they cracked the top 25, but to only hit 18 seems a little stingy on the voters behalf.  While you can say that UTD has not yet hit the tough teams in conference at this time, it doesn't really jive when you look at some of the other highly ranked teams.  Whitworth for example has had a pretty weak schedule, plays in a weak conference, but is much closer to the top.  Is it regional bias, lack of respect for the ASC, or something else?  This looks to be a very competitive race this year in the ASC, especially in the west, with several very good teams.  Unfortunately it looks like having a tough conference may not count for much in the rankings or tournament bids.  If I'm all wet, just say so, I can take it.

Why is the NWC so automatically weaker than the ASC?  They are pretty darn similar in the postseason. Whitworth also played a Top 25 on the road and won. UTD beat a team that has been described as an average D-III team (one of our voters saw UTA play at Illinois State).

If UTD beats the strong teams on its schedule the next week or so -- at least one of whom is better than UTA -- then it might climb.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 03, 2007, 11:25:30 PM
Speaking of which, what is the overlap (roughly) between the divisions? Is the D3 champ the equivalent of mid-D2 or what? I've always wondered that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2007, 11:45:56 PM
CUAfan, I have bolded the hyperlink to the Handbook in my previous post.

The Handbook outlines that there will be 59 bids this year.  The 37 Pool A conferences, of which the ASC is one, get a Pool A bid.  The ASC gives its Pool A bid to the tourney winner.  In 2005, UT-D earned the Pool A bid and MissCollege earned a Pool C bid.

The Pool B bids go to teams that are not in conferences of 7 members or newly-forming conferences that are less than 2 full seasons old, or independenets like University of Dallas.  There will be 3 Pool B bids given this year.  Please go to the Bumblin B's message board (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2870.960) for those discussions.

The remaining 19 bids will be given the remaining teams that have not been selected regardless of whether they are in a Pool A conference or come from Pool B.

The Basketball Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2007/2007_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf) outlines how the committee determines the seedings, the brackets and who gets the 19 Pool C bids.

Look in the FAQ (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament) for Playoff information.

The Handbook outlines the Primary Criteria that the Selection Committee:

The Regional Rankings will first appear on Wednesday February 7th.  Follow the South Region Ranking message board and other similar sites later in the season.

*The last ranking will be the one that is determined over selection weekend, and we won't likely see that one.  We might guess the nature of it from the rankings of Feb 21st, before all of the tourneys are finished.

We are basically hoping for 1 Pool C bid.  We D3Fans have gotten pretty good at looking at the data and projecting the likely candidates.  The 2 toughest conferences (IMHO) in D3, the WIAC and the CCIW, may get 2 Pool C bids, unless they beat themselves up and knock each other out of the playoffs.  One might also expect a Pool C bid to go to the NCAC, the OAC, the MIAA, the NESCAC and maybe NJAC.  I think that the remaining Pool C bids are up for grabs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 03, 2007, 11:53:27 PM
Oh, my mistake for missing that. Don't know how that happened. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on January 04, 2007, 01:49:40 AM
Well I did say tell me if I'm all wet...  I didn't just assume that the NWC was weaker than the ASC, but it does seem to be a conference with little parity among it's members (at least that what my friends from the Pacific NW tell me).  So when a NWC team (in this case Whitworth) gets a quality win, it does make it difficult to tell if they are for real or just had the basketball Gods smiling down on them.  Of course the same could be said for UTD in their recent D-1 win.

With the size of the ASC, and the apparent parity among at least 3 and as many as 5 teams, it does seem unlikely (at least mathematically) for ASC teams to rack up the .850 winning averages that I see in many other conferences.  Maybe it will all balance out by the end of the season.  I'm somewhat new to the D-III world, but so far I've been impressed with the quality of the teams I have seen to date.

But seriously thanks to both Pat and Ralph for their comments,  I guess I need to go get a towel and dry off now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 02:13:28 AM
Quote from: mcmfanatic on January 04, 2007, 01:49:40 AM
Well I did say tell me if I'm all wet...  I didn't just assume that the NWC was weaker than the ASC, but it does seem to be a conference with little parity among it's members (at least that what my friends from the Pacific NW tell me).  So when a NWC team (in this case Whitworth) gets a quality win, it does make it difficult to tell if they are for real or just had the basketball Gods smiling down on them.  Of course the same could be said for UTD in their recent D-1 win.

With the size of the ASC, and the apparent parity among at least 3 and as many as 5 teams, it does seem unlikely (at least mathematically) for ASC teams to rack up the .850 winning averages that I see in many other conferences.  Maybe it will all balance out by the end of the season.  I'm somewhat new to the D-III world, but so far I've been impressed with the quality of the teams I have seen to date.

But seriously thanks to both Pat and Ralph for their comments,  I guess I need to go get a towel and dry off now.

Good discussion and a good question mcmfanatic...

It is tough to comprehend all of the things that are involved in getting an at-large bid for the ASC in your first couple of seasons.

If we could get some stability on the East, and maybe another school or two to join D3 over there (I think that there is still a moratorium on new members), I would like to split the ASC into 2 conferences.  This has been proposed in the past, and I have posted some trial balloons, but that is the best way for us to get another bid in every sport possible.

Good luck this week for McM versus UT-Tyler and UTD.  We need those wins.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 04, 2007, 08:59:32 AM
Ralph, in the past didnt the asc play two games against divisional teams and only one on the other side. This seems to make sense bcause it leaves more games for out of conference and out of region, which would make anyone's chances for a pool c bid better.  Am I on the wrong track here?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:16:19 AM
kid, you are right.  Let me address that tonight when I can get to some of my notes.

Quickly, the benefit that MissColl has this year is that you play 2 fewer East Division games with the departure of Austin College.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 04, 2007, 11:43:14 AM
It's a shame that we can not have another tournament like the NIT at the end of the season.  I realize that the costs of the events are pretty high, but having another tournament to match the lower top 25-40 teams up in the nation would be fun and provide a lot of opportunities to see how teams from other conferences match up.  Even a Pre-Season "NIT" would be fun, having some of the top teams from all over the country get together.

Is the ASC typically a larger conference in terms of the amount of teams in our conference, or are we similiar to everyone else?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 04, 2007, 08:09:22 PM
I don't know if a postseason NIT in d3 would draw much interest but a preseason NIT would be really cool.  you could get 8 teams together and battle it out. would be fun
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 04, 2007, 08:10:56 PM
And i didnt even know Austin College left the ASC. What conference did they move into?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 08:17:05 PM
QuoteAnd i didnt even know Austin College left the ASC. What conference did they move into?

SCAC
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 08:48:34 PM
HPU 10 LC 3 13:35 1st
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 08:54:53 PM
HPU 12 LC 11 9:59 1st
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:04:08 PM
HPU 15 LC 18 4:57 1st
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 09:12:25 PM
Media Timeout UTT by 1 21-20,  9:47 left.  McM ball. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:12:37 PM
HPU 21 LC 24 1:03 1st
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 09:14:37 PM
Glenn Gilliard, the mid season transfer, has led McM back from 8 down (10-18).  8:28 , McM 27-21 on a Beck FG. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:14:59 PM
HPU 21 LC 24 HALF
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 09:19:30 PM
McM by 11 with 6 left in the first.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 04, 2007, 09:24:57 PM
13-4 mc 14:54 1 h
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:26:58 PM
balls a dunkin do you know the MC SRSU women's score?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 09:32:24 PM
McM trailed 13-4 early in the first half.  Now 1:48, UTT turnover
McM turnover
UTT-charge
McM-1:19 38-27; reb UT-T
UTT-good 38-29 0:51 secs Time out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 09:36:09 PM
McM 38 UTT 31 halftime
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:37:58 PM
HPU 34 LC 36 13:54 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:40:49 PM
HPU 38 LC 36 12:42 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:46:53 PM
HPU 46 LC 46 9:48 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:56:10 PM
HPU 53 LC 58 5:39 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 04, 2007, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:26:58 PM
balls a dunkin do you know the MC SRSU women's score?
Lady Chocs won by 2 in 2ot
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 09:59:18 PM
HPU 57 LC 60 4:05 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 04, 2007, 10:04:02 PM
37-16 Chocs half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:06:18 PM
Glenn Gilliard is leading McM with 18 points.  McM 59, UTT 49. 12:01
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 10:08:46 PM
HPU 61 LC 66 00:45 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:11:45 PM
McM 67 UTT 51 9:12 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 04, 2007, 10:13:04 PM
HPU 63 LC 68 FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
McM by 20 under 7:00 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:19:40 PM
McM by 22 with 5:22 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 04, 2007, 10:24:42 PM
46-27 mc 12:00 2 h ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:29:45 PM
HSU has beaten UTD, 75-56. (http://hsuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/hsum11.html)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:36:13 PM
McM  87 UT-Tyler 74 0:50 left.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:38:36 PM
McM 89  UTT 74.  Final.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 04, 2007, 10:39:46 PM
chocs up by 32 w/ 4:33 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 04, 2007, 10:52:59 PM
Chocs win 69-39
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 05, 2007, 12:01:30 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2007, 10:38:36 PM
McM 89  UTT 74.  Final.
I'm driving back to Dallas from California.  My original plan was to put me in Abilene tonight to catch this game in person.  But I was delayed a day starting because of some food poisoning, so I will have get lucky some other time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 12:20:57 AM
McMurry plays Ozarks in the make-up game at 5:30 pm at UTD next Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 05, 2007, 12:30:06 AM
Thanks for the heads up.  I'll try to make it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 01:25:12 AM
Schreiner 83, ETBU 78. (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/MBasketball/default.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 05, 2007, 09:22:54 AM
Ozarks 98, CUA 85

Ozarks did a great job defensively, contesting nearly every shot CUA took. McDonald finished with 18 after a cold shooting night, and four or five Tornados finished between 11-18 points as I recall. Habeeb Kareem finished with something like 10 points and 6-7 boards, but he missed a huge chunk of time in the first half with foul trouble. Speaking of which, it was a very physical game and the refs let 'em play for the most part.

The worst part of the game came in the first half when CUA had a guy go up for a 2-4 ft. layup/jumper and get submarined enough to land facedown on the court (couldn't see what part hit first). There was no foul called. Now, in a situation like that, where a player is obviously fouled by an opponent (there were I think three Eagles in the immediate area) and gets hurt, but there is no call, IMO it is better to give a foul to the wrong guy than not to give one at all. If you don't call something, the fouled team is just going to get ticked off and maybe do something stupid. Our guy came back in the second half, btw.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 05, 2007, 09:30:49 AM
Great win for HSU last night.

LeTourneau played poorly for 30 minutes last night, but unsung hero Jesse Hayes, a freshman PG, hit four straight three pointers late in the game to lead the Jackets to victory over TLU.  The Bulldogs could be pretty decent next year.  They are all freshmen and sophomores this year and you could tell.  JC Herebia and Nate Walton were both impressive.  Herebia does a great job of clearing space in the lane and then finishing the shot.

BTW, LETU did not shoot a free throw until 38 seconds were left in the game.  It almost appeared that the refs did not want to allow them to get to the line as numerous times in the second half the Jackets took it hard to the basket, received contact and no call was made.  Oh well, probably just sour grapes on my part, but I think it was the worst ref'd game I've seen this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 05, 2007, 09:35:13 AM
chocs by 30 over sul ross. wow, what happened to sul ross. they must have fell off.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 05, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: kid nice on January 04, 2007, 08:09:22 PM
I don't know if a postseason NIT in d3 would draw much interest but a preseason NIT would be really cool.  you could get 8 teams together and battle it out. would be fun

Maybe invite the top 8 schools in the final poll the previous year.  Neutral site, winners and losers bracket, etc.  I guess I am dreaming.  How many conferences are there in D3 Hoops?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 05, 2007, 11:45:08 AM
Quote from: kid nice on January 04, 2007, 08:09:22 PM
I don't know if a postseason NIT in d3 would draw much interest but a preseason NIT would be really cool.  you could get 8 teams together and battle it out. would be fun

Maybe invite the top 8 schools in the final poll the previous year.  Neutral site, winners and losers bracket, etc.  I guess I am dreaming.  How many conferences are there in D3 Hoops?
Just under 40 conferences in D3, depending on the way you define it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: kid nice on January 05, 2007, 09:35:13 AM
chocs by 30 over sul ross. wow, what happened to sul ross. they must have fell off.

Kid, their former head coach, Doug Davalos, got the head coaching job at TSU-San Marcos (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables.php?item=528).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 05, 2007, 03:29:32 PM
Which has already doubled its win total from last year's 3-24 showing. They're 6-8 (1-0) so far.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 05, 2007, 07:22:01 PM
Great win for HSU over  a ranked UTD squad.  HSU had a good shot of possibly gettin an at large bid had they won some of their non conference games, but nonetheless a good win at home which should give them more confidence going into the rest of league play.


Good luck tomorrow Cowboys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 06, 2007, 04:32:14 PM
hpu up 6 over mc 1 h
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 04:39:28 PM
McM 17 UTD 16; 10 mins left by phone report.  I am having trouble with the login.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 06, 2007, 04:39:54 PM
34-32 chocs 5:00 1 h :-[ ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 04:46:16 PM
HSU 21 UTT 17; 7:57  minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 04:47:56 PM
McM 30 UTT 24; 4:45 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 04:52:21 PM
UTT 24 HSU 23; 4:54
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 06, 2007, 04:57:08 PM
mc had 20-4 run to end the 1 h/  45-36
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:04:20 PM
McM 40, UTD 30 at the half.

HSU 37 UTT 34 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:18:10 PM
MC 53, HPU 44 12:38.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:20:28 PM
MC 53-47; 11:46 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:23:25 PM
MC 55, HPU 51; 10+ minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:26:44 PM
MC 60,  HPU  53; 8:38;  MC scored 4 points after HPU got the margin to 3.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:27:07 PM
McM 50 UTD 41, 15 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:27:26 PM
9:12 2nd Half
LETU 70
SU 51
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:30:13 PM
MC 60 HPU 55. 7:15.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:31:41 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:27:26 PM
9:12 2nd Half
LETU 70
SU 51

Where are you getting that score?  Radio?  Internet feed? Gametracker at one school's site?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:33:03 PM
LETU - 73
SU - 57
7:19 2nd

SU in the bonus at 8:28
LETU D.Smith 5/5 behind 3pt arc
LETU J. Bradley 4 3's on the game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:33:50 PM
Internet Radio by LETU's SID

www.audiosportsonline.net
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:35:30 PM
LETU - 79
SU - 59

5:41 2nd half
LETU has hit 12 3's today
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:36:13 PM
MC 64, HPU 57 media timeout, 4:54.

McM 56 UTD 50, Nine minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:38:14 PM
LETU - 81
SU - 65

4:33 left

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:38:41 PM
MC gets 2 quick buckets and leads by 12, 3:50 left.

MC,  69-57.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:39:24 PM
MC 69 HPU 59; 2:45 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:41:39 PM
LETU - 81
SU - 68

3:41 2nd

SU on 8-0 run.  3 Jacket starters in foul trouble
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:45:40 PM
LETU - 85
SU - 70

1:15 left

Starters come out for LETU

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 06, 2007, 05:46:04 PM
chocs win  76 - 54 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:46:27 PM
Teams exchange 3FG's MC 74 HPU 64.

IN Abilene, McM has just put on a run.  With  6:24, MCM leads, 66-51.

Final in Brownwood:  Miss College 76 HPU 64.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:50:40 PM
HSU's game tracker is down...no change is registered.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 05:51:02 PM
LETU - 89
SU - 75
Final

LETU improves to 8-4 overall, 6-3 in conference.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 06, 2007, 05:51:17 PM
sorry about that 76-64
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:55:42 PM
HSU 61, UTT 52, 4:30 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 05:58:33 PM
McM 77 UTD 57.  2:00;  McMurry defense has shut down Salinas in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 06:00:33 PM
LETU matches last years win total of 8 wins

Dewones Smith (LETU), 21 pts, 5 steals, 5 rebounds

Jackets shoot 12/18 behind 3 pt arc. 

Any word on the ETBU score, my comp won't open TLU's radio. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 06, 2007, 06:04:16 PM
Great game today in Brownwood aside from some poor officiating, going both ways.  HPU couldn't stop D.J. Jones in the 1st  and couldn't stop Timothy Broomfield(sp?) in the 2nd.  Both of those players had great games.

HPU couldn't hit 3's for the 2nd straight game going 4-22.  A lot of that was because of MC's defense.

But one heck of a game today.  If HPU plays like that the rest of the year they should be moving up in the standings and playing in the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 06:04:58 PM
The TLU game must be over, because I am getting the jazz sound track that Stretch uses.

Do you have Quick Time Player?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 06:06:03 PM
McM 81 UTD  57.  Best game of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 06:10:53 PM
Some major let downs for UT-D.  Of course, I don't want to take away anything from HSU or McM, but perhaps UTD is feeling sht epressure of the National Ranking.  Did you watch the game Ralph?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 06:22:40 PM
TLU - 66
ETBU - 50
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 06:22:55 PM
No, bearkat, I was in Dallas.  My source at the game said that our defense was the best we have played all year.

Coach Holmes has been "very close to the vest" with his discussions of this team.  He hasn't told me anything, but I see spurts of this team that can win the big one.   We have 2 very painful losses that really hurt our in-region record.  We need to win out, because I will not count on a 20-4 South Region record, (if we sweep the ASC-West and then lose in the Conference tourney giving us a Pool C bid.)

No backdooring the NCAA's for us.  We just need to win it all...The ASC-West and then the Conference Tourney.

Final HSU 77, UTT 70.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 06, 2007, 06:22:40 PM
TLU - 66
ETBU - 50

And we have that "mud-face ugly" loss to ETBU before Christmas!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on January 06, 2007, 06:28:16 PM
Final
UMHB  90
Ozarks 56
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2007, 06:38:30 PM
Hardin-Simmons (http://livestats.hsuathletics.collegesports.com/livestats/data/m-baskbl/444475/gt_index.html) scoring: 16 for Pickelman, Dinkins and Brackett and 14 for Mardochee Jean.  Peters had 9.

The ASC-West will be really tough this year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 06, 2007, 08:43:39 PM
Way to go, COWBOYS!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 06, 2007, 10:13:12 PM

[/quote]

And we have that "mud-face ugly" loss to ETBU before Christmas!
[/quote]

I'm still trying to figure that one out... maybe the stunner of the year!

LeTourneau looked much better today than Thursday, great ball movement was the main reason for their outstanding 3 point shooting.  They received great production from their bench as well (39 points).  This is the first time since 2002-03 that they have won both games in an ASC travel weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 05:54:40 PM
MC fans, did the Chocs take the bus the entire trip to SRSU or did they fly for a portion?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 07, 2007, 06:33:54 PM
Ralph,
   The guys flew in from California and continued a road trip that started December 28 before the Tom Byron Classic. They took the bus the rest of the way and got home this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
Oh yeah!  They made some noise in California, didn't they! ;)

That was a long one!  I hope the team had fun!  That is a trip to remember! :)

McMurry looked good on Saturday afternoon, MC-SID.  I would love to catch a "D3 undefeated Miss College" in the Gold Dome in the conference tourney finals and beat you!  The Chocs would get a Pool C bid, maybe even host the first round, while they could fly us anywhere else they wanted to, outside MC's bracket.  I think that Trinity and Southwestern may be down this year.

We can dream...

Travel safely.

MC-SID, I really enjoyed the radio links for the Tom Byron!  It was fun listening.  Putting the big one JHU was very nice.  It was also exciting listening to the Chocs win the Westmont game.  Thanks.

Did the players get to see the "Wardrobe" (http://www.westmont.edu/_academics/pages/departments/english/Pages/cs_lewis_wardrobe.html) at Westmont?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 07, 2007, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
MC-SID, I really enjoyed the radio links for the Tom Byron!  It was fun listening.  Putting the big one JHU was very nice.  It was also exciting listening to the Chocs win the Westmont game.  Thanks.
Thanks, I was happy just to go and see the games. Very impressive how they beat JHU and I'm telling you the win over Westmont was even more impressive, they were a very good team and had the best center I have seen us play in five or six years.
Thanks for your posts on the ASC and MC in particular. Hopefully we catch a few breaks this season and make a run in the tournament. But we are proud of the back to back Sweet Sixteen appearances. I believe we are one of only four teams to boast of that. It is an accomplishment just to get in the tournament in Division III.
I saw your mention of Tim Broomfield on the Top 25 board. Great guy and great player. There are not many 6'8" guards anywhere that athletic and fewer shooting 62 percent from the three point line (21-34). But several players are playing well. D. J. Jones, a 6'3" guard, is the leading scorer and was last year's East Division Defensive Player of the Year. With those two, Tyler Winford, Marcus Evans and Jonathan Collins the starting lineup is probably as good as we have ever had and there are several talented players coming off the bench.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
McMurry looked good on Saturday afternoon, MC-SID.  I would love to catch a "D3 undefeated Miss College" in the Gold Dome in the conference tourney finals and beat you!  The Chocs would get a Pool C bid, maybe even host the first round, while they could fly us anywhere else they wanted to, outside MC's bracket.  I think that Trinity and Southwestern may be down this year.
I hope we keep winning but its hard to run through this league with no losses, its too good. I have been in the MC athletics department since 2000 so I was able to see the McMurry/MC rivalry at its best. The McMurry team with Alex Denson, Travis Hull and Kim Maina was fun to watch. Maybe we will get to see another one this season but we have to beat UTD first. I know they took some heat this week with the two losses, but they can beat just about anybody when they are shooting well.
Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 08, 2007, 09:54:37 AM
UTD now knows what it is like to be the hunted, and not the hunter.  You better bring your A+ game every night because everyone you play is looking to beat you when you're in the Top 25. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 02:41:40 AM
TLU 70 Schreiner 67 (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/MBasketball/default.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 11:53:41 AM
A big game for LeTourneau tonight against ETBU.  I win for the Jackets would make it very tough for the Tigers to pass them in the standings.  As a side note, with two more wins, it would be the first time since the 1996-97 season that they have had at least 10 wins in a season.  Bob Davis has been doing an outstanding job in Longview.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 03:02:25 PM
I was just looking at some notes for the LETU-ETBU game tonight and found something very interesting.  ETBU is making just 58.4% of their free throws and LETU is making a scintillating 60.4%.  Has anyone seen two teams playing each other with a worse combined percentage?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 09, 2007, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 12:20:57 AM
McMurry plays Ozarks in the make-up game at 5:30 pm at UTD next Tuesday.
Is this game still on?  I find nothing official to confirm and something that says it has been cancelled.

I want to go see it if it is being played.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 03:37:32 PM
It's on at UTD!  I hope to see you there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 09:39:20 PM
LETU up 56-31 at the half... YellowJackets putting on a show shooting 55% and committing just 1 turnover.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 10:01:31 PM
ETBU has come out hot in the 2nd trail 62-47 with 12 minutes to play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 10:19:53 PM
LETU up 70-64 with 4:26 left... The refs have taken the game over making horrible calls against LETU and letting ETBU get away with fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2007, 10:21:00 PM
McM 75, UOz 69

It was ugly!  Very ugly!  The good thing is that Alvin Stevens and Bud Willis each hit a pair of FT's, then Terrance Booker hit 1-2 in the last minute to ice game.

McM hit 30-43 FT's and 20-24 in the 2nd half.

On to UMHB on Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 10:26:09 PM
LETU up 77-68 with 2:39 to play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 10:31:16 PM
79-71 LETU with 45.4 left... Jesse Hayes shooting 1-and-1 for LETU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 10:38:57 PM
letu holds on for 84-73 win.  ETBU never gave up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 09, 2007, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: gccfan on January 09, 2007, 10:38:57 PM
letu holds on for 84-73 win.  ETBU never gave up.
Congratulations to LeTourneau. 9-4 with wins over Hardin-Simmons and UMHB is impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 10, 2007, 09:32:02 AM
What an exciting year to be an ASC fan.  On one side, you have National Power MC (having a phenomanal season), UT-Dallas (a team that could probably beat anyone in the Nation) LETU (boasts solid wins against UMHB and HSU, played McM tough) and on the other side your have three dangerous teams that just continue to beat up each other in McM, UMHB and HSU.  I am excited to see how things turn out the rest of the way. 

One question I do have for anyone out there?  How does our conference compare top to bottom with other conferences in the Nation.  I mean looking at what I think to be our top tier teams, MC, McM, UTD, UMHB, HSU, I feel we could have one of the toughest conferences in the nation.  Anyone elses thoughts?

By the way, the one ref at the LETU-ETBU game was HORRIBLE.  This is the second game he has tried to take it to LETU this year.  It's good to see this team not falter under the pressure, unlike previous teams!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 10, 2007, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 10, 2007, 09:32:02 AM
What an exciting year to be an ASC fan.  On one side, you have National Power MC (having a phenomanal season), UT-Dallas (a team that could probably beat anyone in the Nation) LETU (boasts solid wins against UMHB and HSU, played McM tough) and on the other side your have three dangerous teams that just continue to beat up each other in McM, UMHB and HSU.  I am excited to see how things turn out the rest of the way. 

One question I do have for anyone out there?  How does our conference compare top to bottom with other conferences in the Nation.  I mean looking at what I think to be our top tier teams, MC, McM, UTD, UMHB, HSU, I feel we could have one of the toughest conferences in the nation.  Anyone elses thoughts?

Bearkat00,
   The best conference is the CCIW (College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin). They have four Top 25 teams right now in Carthage, Wheaton, Augustana and Elmhurst and others are receiving votes. They also have three Final Four appearances since 2000. The WIAC (Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference) has three Top 25 teams right now led by UW-Stevens Point who is #1 and won the 2004 and 2005 national championship. UW-Platteville won it in 1998 and 1999.
   After those conferences you probably have the ODAC (Old Dominion Athletic Conference) which is Virginia Wesleyan, Hampden-Sydney and Randolph-Macon. I think all of those three have reached Final Fours and Wesleyan won the whole thing last year. They are down a bit this year though with just one Top 25 team and Guilford receiving votes.
   After those league's, it is more open though there are a couple others like the MIAA with Hope and Calvin but they seem to be down this year also. The ASC is closing the gap on those league's and this season could get us that much closer. We need to get two teams in the tourney, get the opportunity to host some games and maybe a sectional and then win. Wins in the NCAA Tournament is the only way we can get the ASC name up there with those other leagues.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 10, 2007, 11:29:21 AM
Geography kills us when it comes to hosting sectionals. I know this is discussed every year, but it is the truth. The NCAA is not going to send 3 teams from virginia, wisconsin, ohio etc. to mississippi or texas.  They save money by sending one team from MS or TX to a more central location for the other 3.  It sucks, but someone is just going to have to go on the road and win the thing. last year mc was like 29-1 and didnt host. thats insane but just the way it is.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 10, 2007, 11:49:39 AM
Chris, be sure to give us the account of the MC-UTD game this week.  I'm sure most of us will be interested to have an insider's look at the game.   In regards to the hosting question, I think if we could get two teams in, then MC (most likely) would have the chance to host.  That would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 10, 2007, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: kid nice on January 10, 2007, 11:29:21 AM
Geography kills us when it comes to hosting sectionals. I know this is discussed every year, but it is the truth. The NCAA is not going to send 3 teams from virginia, wisconsin, ohio etc. to mississippi or texas.  They save money by sending one team from MS or TX to a more central location for the other 3.  It sucks, but someone is just going to have to go on the road and win the thing. last year mc was like 29-1 and didnt host. thats insane but just the way it is.

There was an interesting debate about that topic regarding MC and the ASC on the Top 25 board. http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4097.1995 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4097.1995)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 12:27:36 PM
gcc, I will jump in here on the hosting.  There should be about 16 venues that host a first and/or second round game.  MC is in great shape to do that.  There are 4 venues for the Sectionals.

There is a very good thread of about 60 posts (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4097.1943) that answer several of the questions implied in your post.

In that discussion, Chris does a very good job of showing the disadvantage that teams that are flown into a sectional have at making the Final Four.

There are just under 400 schools with men's basketball and about 40 conferences. My opinion about the strength of the ASC is that we are around 10th-12th, mainly by how much the "bottom" of our 15 schools brings us down.

I would love for schools to go to other parts of the country, especially the midwest and east coast, to see how basketball is played in those parts of the country.



While I was posting, Chris answered the question!!!  :D  :D  :D

I recommend that you move back to post #1943 to get some early background.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 10, 2007, 12:51:55 PM
I just finished reading all those posts... Definitely a very good discussion about the travails of being down South when it comes to D3.  I thought you both made well thought out arguments and represented the rest of us very well.  Hopefully now we can just take care of things on the court.

I still feel bad that the one game Pat Coleman saw us (LETU) play was our absolute stinker at Howard Payne.  I'm sure that game didn't do anybody else, particularly UMHB and HSU, and ourselves any good.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 01:05:15 PM
In fact, I'm still trying to reconcile that game with the results since. Puzzling ...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 10, 2007, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 10, 2007, 09:32:02 AM
What an exciting year to be an ASC fan.  On one side, you have National Power MC (having a phenomanal season), UT-Dallas (a team that could probably beat anyone in the Nation) LETU (boasts solid wins against UMHB and HSU, played McM tough) and on the other side your have three dangerous teams that just continue to beat up each other in McM, UMHB and HSU.  I am excited to see how things turn out the rest of the way. 

One question I do have for anyone out there?  How does our conference compare top to bottom with other conferences in the Nation.  I mean looking at what I think to be our top tier teams, MC, McM, UTD, UMHB, HSU, I feel we could have one of the toughest conferences in the nation.  Anyone elses thoughts?

Bearkat00,
   The best conference is the CCIW (College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin). They have four Top 25 teams right now in Carthage, Wheaton, Augustana and Elmhurst and others are receiving votes. They also have three Final Four appearances since 2000. The WIAC (Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference) has three Top 25 teams right now led by UW-Stevens Point who is #1 and won the 2004 and 2005 national championship. UW-Platteville won it in 1998 and 1999.
   After those conferences you probably have the ODAC (Old Dominion Athletic Conference) which is Virginia Wesleyan, Hampden-Sydney and Randolph-Macon. I think all of those three have reached Final Fours and Wesleyan won the whole thing last year. They are down a bit this year though with just one Top 25 team and Guilford receiving votes.
   After those league's, it is more open though there are a couple others like the MIAA with Hope and Calvin but they seem to be down this year also. The ASC is closing the gap on those league's and this season could get us that much closer. We need to get two teams in the tourney, get the opportunity to host some games and maybe a sectional and then win. Wins in the NCAA Tournament is the only way we can get the ASC name up there with those other leagues.

There are two conference that have 6 teams receiving votes in the latest poll:

- CCIW (#14 Elmhurst,  #15 Augustana, #18 Carthage, #21 Wheaton, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan)

- UAA (#16 Wash U, #24 NYU, Brandeis, Rochester, Chicago Carnegie Mellon)

Both leagues have just 8 teams, so 6 is really something.

Chris, also don't forget about the OAC and NJAC when discussing great leagues. 

Massey has the conferences rated...

1. CCIW
2. UAA
3. WIAC
4. OAC
5. HCAC

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 10, 2007, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 10, 2007, 01:05:15 PM
In fact, I'm still trying to reconcile that game with the results since. Puzzling ...

The only thing I can think of is that HPU obviously played well and we didn't have our best guard at the game, Dewones Smith.  Even with him there I don't think it would have made a difference the way that game went.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 10, 2007, 01:24:17 PM
HPU has been too inconsistent this year.  They don't have a lot of depth and that kills them late in the 1st and 2nd half.  If you look at a lot of their games this year they've had leads in the 2nd half and have lost it down the stretch. 

In that LETU game LETU shot 2-22 from the 3 point line.  They shot themselves out of the game.  That's what HPU has done in the past couple games.  They shouldn't have lost to La College but they shot horrible from the 3 point line.  Against MC they put forth their best effort but MC has so much depth HPU just couldn't keep up.  They cut the lead down to 3 late in the game but making that late run wore them down and MC just subbed back in a fresh 5 and took care of the rest of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 01:28:59 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
There are two conference that have 6 teams receiving votes in the latest poll:

- CCIW (#14 Elmhurst,  #15 Augustana, #18 Carthage, #21 Wheaton, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan)

- UAA (#16 Wash U, #24 NYU, Brandeis, Rochester, Chicago Carnegie Mellon)

Both leagues have just 8 teams, so 6 is really something.

The WIAC presently has 3 teams in the top 20.  The WIAC has had 6 of its 9 teams in the voting seven times, including twice this season, and has had seven teams receive votes in four separate polls.  http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=228  Two of the last three national champions came from the WIAC, as did four of the last nine and 7 of the last 18. 

At any given moment, there may be a stronger conference, but over the long haul, IMHO nobody can touch the WIAC in D3 men's hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 10, 2007, 01:44:09 PM
Nice info on the dailydose... I think I would concur that WIAC and CCIW would year in and year out be my top two conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 10, 2007, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 01:08:42 PM

There are two conference that have 6 teams receiving votes in the latest poll:

- CCIW (#14 Elmhurst,  #15 Augustana, #18 Carthage, #21 Wheaton, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan)

- UAA (#16 Wash U, #24 NYU, Brandeis, Rochester, Chicago Carnegie Mellon)

Both leagues have just 8 teams, so 6 is really something.

Chris, also don't forget about the OAC and NJAC when discussing great leagues. 

Massey has the conferences rated...

1. CCIW
2. UAA
3. WIAC
4. OAC
5. HCAC

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

Sorry, should not have forgotten about the UAA. I noticed the league has two out of conference wins over Illinois Wesleyan and a win over Wheaton. Also wins over Depauw and Maryville (TN).

Quote from: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 01:28:59 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
There are two conference that have 6 teams receiving votes in the latest poll:

- CCIW (#14 Elmhurst,  #15 Augustana, #18 Carthage, #21 Wheaton, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan)

- UAA (#16 Wash U, #24 NYU, Brandeis, Rochester, Chicago Carnegie Mellon)

Both leagues have just 8 teams, so 6 is really something.

The WIAC presently has 3 teams in the top 20.  The WIAC has had 6 of its 9 teams in the voting seven times, including twice this season, and has had seven teams receive votes in four separate polls.  http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=228  Two of the last three national champions came from the WIAC, as did four of the last nine and 7 of the last 18. 

At any given moment, there may be a stronger conference, but over the long haul, IMHO nobody can touch the WIAC in D3 men's hoops.

David,
    Hard to argue with four national titles since 1998. Question though, does the WIAC not venture out of conference much? Just browsing at the schedules I didn't see a lot of big out of conference wins other than Stevens Point's win over Augustana.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 01:28:59 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
There are two conference that have 6 teams receiving votes in the latest poll:

- CCIW (#14 Elmhurst,  #15 Augustana, #18 Carthage, #21 Wheaton, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan)

- UAA (#16 Wash U, #24 NYU, Brandeis, Rochester, Chicago Carnegie Mellon)

Both leagues have just 8 teams, so 6 is really something.

The WIAC presently has 3 teams in the top 20.  The WIAC has had 6 of its 9 teams in the voting seven times, including twice this season, and has had seven teams receive votes in four separate polls.  http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=228  Two of the last three national champions came from the WIAC, as did four of the last nine and 7 of the last 18. 

At any given moment, there may be a stronger conference, but over the long haul, IMHO nobody can touch the WIAC in D3 men's hoops.

No question about the past -- the WIAC has been the best D3 league.  I think we may be seeing the WIAC come back to the pack, however. I believe the CCIW's top four teams last year (IWU, North Central, Augustana, Elmhurst) were all better than the WIAC's champion (UW-Whitewater) and from the non-conference results this year, it seems to me the CCIW is stronger again.

I think we are now seeing the impact of the redshirting rule on the WIAC.  It will take more time (years) to determine if I am right, but redshirting was such a tremendous advantage to the WIAC that it only makes sense that the impact is visible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 10, 2007, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 10, 2007, 01:28:59 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
There are two conference that have 6 teams receiving votes in the latest poll:

- CCIW (#14 Elmhurst,  #15 Augustana, #18 Carthage, #21 Wheaton, North Central, Illinois Wesleyan)

- UAA (#16 Wash U, #24 NYU, Brandeis, Rochester, Chicago Carnegie Mellon)

Both leagues have just 8 teams, so 6 is really something.

The WIAC presently has 3 teams in the top 20.  The WIAC has had 6 of its 9 teams in the voting seven times, including twice this season, and has had seven teams receive votes in four separate polls.  http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=228  Two of the last three national champions came from the WIAC, as did four of the last nine and 7 of the last 18. 

At any given moment, there may be a stronger conference, but over the long haul, IMHO nobody can touch the WIAC in D3 men's hoops.

No question about the past -- the WIAC has been the best D3 league.  I think we may be seeing the WIAC come back to the pack, however. I believe the CCIW's top four teams last year (IWU, North Central, Augustana, Elmhurst) were all better than the WIAC's champion (UW-Whitewater) and from the non-conference results this year, it seems to me the CCIW is stronger again.

I think we are now seeing the impact of the redshirting rule on the WIAC.  It will take more time (years) to determine if I am right, but redshirting was such a tremendous advantage to the WIAC that it only makes sense that the impact is visible.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. A few years back I was at a Whitewater-Oshkosh conference playoff game and got into it with the Oshkosh guy I was sitting with about which of our leagues was better. Since he was a media guy of some sort, he turned to the WIAC commish who was sitting nearby, and brought him into the conversation. Despite the 2-1 odds, I, being naively fearless, :D commented that things between our two leagues would be much closer if it wasn't for the redshirt rule. The WIAC commish proceeded to tell me a percentage of players that redshirted around the league... it seemed like a very high number to me (coming from a league that doesn't have that rule), but he actually mentioned the redshirt numbers because he perceived it to be low!

Since the rule ended, I have been watching the way things have progressed with great interest. Beginning with the playoff results last year, and continuing with the results you posted about the CCIW results against the WIAC this year on the interconference board Q, it's become quite clear to me that the playing field is leveling. While I certainly think the WIAC will always be an elite conference, I do think it will be easier for other leagues to compete with them. This is certainly one of the cases where the NCAA got it right! Now if they would just limit roster sizes in football to something reasonable....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 04:11:48 PM
First of all, thanks to all the good ASC folks for allowing us to have this conversation here.

April, here is how I look at the redshirting thing...

In 2002-03, Illinois Wesleyan had a very talented freshman class, but only one player made the varsity rotation (point-guard Adam Dauksas).  The rest all played on IWU's JV team that year.  This cast included Keelan Amelianovich (a future 1st Team All-American) and 6 other members of the rotation that led IWU to the Final Four last year.

Let's say IWU redshirted 6-6 wing Keelan Amelianovich, 6-6 post Cory Jones, and 6-6 post Chris Jones, as a WIAC school could have before the rule change (and did with regularity) because of cost factors that made it possible...whereas it wasn't remotely possible at a private school.  Would IWU's team this year be better with those three on it?  We don't even have to answer that. 

WIAC teams used to be loaded with dominant 5th year seniors and that had a big impact.  Again, would you rather have Keelan Amelianovich, the timid freshman JV player or 1st Team All-American/5th year senior Keelan Amelianovich?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 10, 2007, 04:34:53 PM
Wow - I've enjoyed this big ball of wax I've started.  It's fun to get different perspectives from all around the country.  It's fun to see how it started from just finding out how the ASC compared to other conferences around the country, to redshirting! 

I think my main question is how would an MC, McM, HSU and UTD fair in another conference?  Whenever I watch MC play, I see them as a serious National Title Contender b/c they have everything it takes to be on top.  UMHB beat Virigina Wesleyan, a #3 team in the country.  UT-Dallas beat a D1 school, mind you a small D1 school, but still went on the road and won.  Us LETU fans know that it's hard enough to win on the road, let alone against a D1 one opponent, who they next night went to Austin to take on the Longhorns and played them tough. 

I guess this is almost a losing battle, b/c I don't feel that we can truely rank teams and feel good about it, without seeing games that pit other conferences from around the nation against one another.  It was good to see Virgina Wesleyan come to Texas and play two quality opponents, to see MC go on the road and beat John Hopkins.  Oh well, what do I know.  I hope my point makes sense.......
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 04:40:58 PM
Titan Q, diehardfan and David, thanks for conducting the discussion in our house for our ASC fans to read.

The CCIW is the best message board on D3hoops and fans can learn a lot of basketball there.

Goos observation on the redshirting, Titan Q and dhf!

We really did not have much redshirting in the ASC.  What we do see is the large numbers of players who come out the Jucos or come to D3 from a scholarhsip program for a multitude of reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 04:53:33 PM
Quotes from the 2001-02 UW-Stevens Point preview:


"Bennett expects DeVos, Kadima and Nolting will battle for time in the backcourt, along with his son, Nick, a redshirt freshman."

-----

"The point guard position features Krajnik, sophomore B.J. Christensen and redshirt freshman Tamaris Relerford."


http://d3hoops.com/previews/02/westmen.htm


The starting backcourt for the 2005 national champs would have been one year out of school in most D3 leagues.  Nick Bennett, of course, was a 1st Team All-American as a 5th year senior...as a true freshman he probably would have been a 9th man.  Big difference.

http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/04-05/teamcume.htm#TEAM.IND
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 10, 2007, 05:55:41 PM
I don't think that there's an arguement for redshirting players.  The big deal for a University like LETU is that it is very expensive to attend, like most of the Universities that you guys represent, therefore keeping a player here for four years alone is a challenge, let alone 5 years. 

That is the biggest difference that LETU has experience this year, is the fact that we returned 60% of our starting line-up from last year's team.  Coach Davis was able to build around them.  Normally, you will see new faces on the team every year and there is no consistancy in the line-up.

My point is, while I agree that redshirting certain players can be extremely beneficial, I understand why we don't do it.  Ethically, I can not ask a kid to stay at my University for a 5th year to play a sport that he won't be making a living at, coming up with  $25,000 more to play on top of $75,000 debt that he already has.  I realize that this can go both ways, and I am not attacking anyone, just thought I'd give an opinion through our eyes. 

On a lighter note, UTD - MC.  Any thoughts?  UTD has a lot to prove after last weekends debacle!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 07:30:30 PM
Chris, let's follow this line of thinking...

1)  MC had a great experience last year, and I think that they are back where they need to be.  This is not to disparage Coach Lofton...

(My high school teammate was Ray(mond) Rhodes of Green Bay/Philly Iggles fame and formerly Mike Holmgren's defensive co-ordinator.  I have the greatest respect for Raymond, but I think that his greatest contribution to his professional football teams was as a defensive coordinator.  In a team game where one must use one's talents ultimately to what the team needs, I think that Raymond was most successful in his role as defensive co-ordinator.)

...Likewise, I think that MC has the Jones-Lofton team going again, and they will be formidable.

2)  Those players remember what happened in the Sweet 16.  I think that you have such a core of players from that experience that they will not make those mistakes again.

3)  They have whipped themsleves into shape since the Wesley MI game.  They are a mature team that is intent on winning.  I can see great things out of this team.  The experience of last year, and the desire not to fail is driving them hard.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 10, 2007, 09:59:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 07:30:30 PM
Chris, let's follow this line of thinking...

1)  MC had a great experience last year, and I think that they are back where they need to be.  This is not to disparage Coach Lofton...

(My high school teammate was Ray(mond) Rhodes of Green Bay/Philly Iggles fame and formerly Mike Holmgren's defensive co-ordinator.  I have the greatest respect for Raymond, but I think that his greatest contribution to his professional football teams was as a defensive coordinator.  In a team game where one must use one's talents ultimately to what the team needs, I think that Raymond was most successful in his role as defensive co-ordinator.)

...Likewise, I think that MC has the Jones-Lofton team going again, and they will be formidable.

2)  Those players remember what happened in the Sweet 16.  I think that you have such a core of players from that experience that they will not make those mistakes again.

3)  They have whipped themsleves into shape since the Wesley MI game.  They are a mature team that is intent on winning.  I can see great things out of this team.  The experience of last year, and the desire not to fail is driving them hard.

1. There is a lot of truth to that, Coach Lofton has been a great assistant for years and knows how to sell MC and get players. Anytime you can add someone like Coach Jones it obviously makes you better. You could argue that Coach Jones, who is the 4th active winningest DIII coach in the nation, has been the best coach in Mississippi the last 20 years in any level, period. But know this about Coach Lofton. He was head coach four years and the NCAA only recognizes head coaches with at least five years on the winnnig percentage list. If Coach Lofton had one more year his record of 92-23 (.800) would rank 2nd in the nation among all coaches in all divisions entering this season behind only Mark Few of Gonzaga and directly ahead of Roy Williams of NC. That is impressive.

2.No question last year was bitter for the players. We have had NCAA losses when we felt we were outmatched but we just played poorly last year and did not seem to get any breaks. Transy banked in about three 3's and it was just their night. I know our kids are very motivated by that loss.

3. If there was a chance of the players getting to far ahead of themselves Wesley ended it quickly. I have not researched this, but the 31 turnovers we had in that game I believe are the most we have ever had in DIII and Wesley still needed a last second 3 to send it to OT, but I think it could be a good loss in the grand scheme.

The kids we have this year are experienced and they know how important every game is in the regular season if you want to set yourself up in the NCAA Tourney. We might be better this year with these players more experienced now but last year was a special year. To lose one game all season is amazing in this league and this team will have to be ready every night and gets some breaks along the way to do it. To repeat that kind of season a lot of things have to go your way.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 10, 2007, 11:20:27 PM
It has been fun reading the posts today.  With no LETU game tomorrow night I'm looking forward to trying to keep track of all the action.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 11:34:27 PM
McMurry will be on the radio, both men and women (UMHB).

I think that MissCollege is on the radio, too. (UT-D)  Chris, can you confirm that feed for those national fans who might have an interest?   :)  (UTD is webcasting their home games on the UTD site.)

Check TLU vs SRSU.

ETBU broadcasts their games.

With all of the engineering types at LeTU, I am surprised that they have not rigged a webcast, too.

HPU is on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 10, 2007, 11:37:23 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 04:53:33 PM
The starting backcourt for the 2005 national champs would have been one year out of school in most D3 leagues. 
On the other hand, the 2004 National Champs did it when they weren't using their eligibility. I think that's just further evidence that the WIAC will still be good no matter what... just not as good.

Incidentally, if it comes down to a choice between Mississippi College getting the hosting nod as a higher seed and the NCAA paying less, I hope they make the right choice and send the sectionals down there... as they did for Puget Sound a few years back. Those things about bracketology drive the part of me that has a strong sense of fairness absolutely crazy! The same way I'm tired of seeing the NWC and the SCIAC play a first round game every single time.... and two Texas teams play in the first round, etc.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 10, 2007, 11:37:23 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 10, 2007, 04:53:33 PM
The starting backcourt for the 2005 national champs would have been one year out of school in most D3 leagues. 
On the other hand, the 2004 National Champs did it when they weren't using their eligibility. I think that's just further evidence that the WIAC will still be good no matter what... just not as good.

Incidentally, if it comes down to a choice between Mississippi College getting the hosting nod as a higher seed and the NCAA paying less, I hope they make the right choice and send the sectionals down there... as they did for Puget Sound a few years back. Those things about bracketology drive the part of me that has a strong sense of fairness absolutely crazy! The same way I'm tired of seeing the NWC and the SCIAC play a first round game every single time.... and two Texas teams play in the first round, etc.  :-\
UPS really earned it that year, and you had another travel orphan that needed to be flown, SRSU. That was the year that 13-12 UDallas earned a Pool B bid, and I suspect that part of that was that they were 497 miles by bus to the ASC Pool A bid, SRSU.  Both UDallas and SRSU were also bussing distance to Trinity TX.  In the old bye/home/away philosophy,  Trinity deserved a bye, SRSU deserved a home game and UDallas should have been grateful to be playing.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 11, 2007, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 11:34:27 PM
McMurry will be on the radio, both men and women (UMHB).

I think that MissCollege is on the radio, too. (UT-D)  Chris, can you confirm that feed for those national fans who might have an interest?   :)  (UTD is webcasting their home games on the UTD site.)

Yes, we webcast all of our games through stretch internet and we also will be streaming live stats tomorrow. Just so everyone knows, we also have live video for all of our home games. I wish we were able to do it free but it is part of a subscription service we offer through our internet provider, Internet Consulting Services. It is $9.95 for a monthly subscription of games and you cancel your subscription anytime. I will put links on here in the morning when I get everything set up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 11, 2007, 09:23:45 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2007, 11:34:27 PM

With all of the engineering types at LeTU, I am surprised that they have not rigged a webcast, too.


Ralph obviously knows A LOT about LETU!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 11, 2007, 10:21:32 AM
Don't forget Hardin-Simmons @ Concordia! Webcast available through audiosportsonline.com, there's a link on the CUA athletics website.

Pity I can't make the game tonight, I wanted to see if we could topple Pickelman (sp?) and Jean. Speaking of which, is Dan Jean brother to Mardochee?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 11, 2007, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 11, 2007, 10:21:32 AM
Pity I can't make the game tonight, I wanted to see if we could topple Pickelman (sp?) and Jean. Speaking of which, is Dan Jean brother to Mardochee?

Yessir.  Asked the same question when came and played LETU.  Mardochee is definitley the better player.

How's Maxwell doing?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 11, 2007, 11:01:32 AM
Ralph, LeTourneau does do a free audio webcast at audiosportsonline.net same as Concordia, Schreiner and ETBU.  Plus we also have a live feed for home games.  Unfortunately, it is included in a whole LETU Athletics package that costs 99 bucks a year for live home basketball and volleyball games plus archived away games for basketball and volleyball plus home softball and baseball and all soccer games.  Those games are available at www.summitticket.com.  I'm pretty sure that they could do it on an individual game basis, but there hasn't been any outcry for that yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 11, 2007, 11:04:39 AM
Just thought I would update everyone on the Player Ratings heading into the Division Schedule

1. Chris Isom, ETBU, 46.73
2. Mardochee Jean, HSU, 46.04
3. Tim Broomfield, MC, 44.00
4. Joel McDonald, CUA, 43.91
5. Josh Johnson, LC, 40.17
6. Martin Salinas, UTD, 39.65
7. Kendrick Johnson, HPU, 39.33
8. Habeeb Kareem, UO, 38.04
9. Jonathan Young, SU, 35.96
10. Jordan Eppink, UTD, 35.62

I have either seen or am familiar with every player other than Josh Johnson at Louisiana.  For those of you that have seen him, how good is he and does he deserve consideration for player of the year honors?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 11, 2007, 05:01:20 PM
I know we're basically done with the redshirting issue, but I thought this was too interesting not to mention... From the bio of Chris Martin, Commissioner of the CCIW...

"created a proposal to eliminate redshirting at the Division III level"
http://www.cciw.org/general/Martin_Bio.php

Interesting that a proposal that ended up helping the CCIW ended up originating with our own commish!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 11, 2007, 05:14:32 PM
What a minute! Is this actually the real diehardfan posting in the ASC room? Mercy! Might a relocation to Alpine be in the works?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 11, 2007, 05:25:05 PM
For the MC/UTD games tonight.

Live stats at http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/mbball/xlive.htm (http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/mbball/xlive.htm)
I have had some trouble with our stat computer connecting to our FTP site. Just a heads up if there is a problem but it should be fine.

Live audio at http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/admin/2006/Broadcast.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/admin/2006/Broadcast.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 05:59:10 PM
I have created a separate message board for in-game updates.

Let's move our in-game postings over there. :)

(This has been successful in ASC football and other conferences use in-game update boards for basketball as well.)

ASC In-game updates (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5050.msg651390#new)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 11, 2007, 06:13:55 PM
Ralph, do you want both men's and women's updates on one and the same board, or one board for the men's scores and one board for the women's scores?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 06:34:30 PM
I'll do one for the women if you think that we have enough people posting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 11, 2007, 07:54:26 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 11, 2007, 05:14:32 PM
What a minute! Is this actually the real diehardfan posting in the ASC room? Mercy! Might a relocation to Alpine be in the works?
:D No.... but I haven't lived there yet, and I'm a pretty adventurous soul, so who knows? I will probably be out there in April-May for work though. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 11, 2007, 07:54:26 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 11, 2007, 05:14:32 PM
What a minute! Is this actually the real diehardfan posting in the ASC room? Mercy! Might a relocation to Alpine be in the works?
:D No.... but I haven't lived there yet, and I'm a pretty adventurous soul, so who knows? I will probably be out there in April-May for work though. :)
diehardfan, Jan-Mar are the best months for the Big Bend country.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on January 11, 2007, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on January 11, 2007, 07:54:26 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on January 11, 2007, 05:14:32 PM
What a minute! Is this actually the real diehardfan posting in the ASC room? Mercy! Might a relocation to Alpine be in the works?
:D No.... but I haven't lived there yet, and I'm a pretty adventurous soul, so who knows? I will probably be out there in April-May for work though. :)
diehardfan, Jan-Mar are the best months for the Big Bend country.
By out there, I meant Texas. I think I heard it was going to be in San Antonio. It's for a meeting on US-Mexico border stuff... so I doubt it's in Alpine. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on January 11, 2007, 11:34:32 PM
Kudos to Ralph for the score posting site!   

As for the McM game tonight... It's difficult to tell which McM team is going to show up from game to game and even from one half to the other.  The inconsistency has to be driving Holmes to the edge.  They have some very talented players and appear to be able to play with the best when they fire on all cylinders, and then they play like they did the first half tonight.  I feel the FRUSTRATION.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2007, 11:51:47 PM
Fanatic, the karma goes to dballa tonight for the McM scores, because my computer could not get on the server!  :-\

Sitting here at home at the computer, it was exciting to see all of the scores coming in!  Thanks to balls-a-dunkin, dballa and mcm_sid, who kept the scores coming in.

I also want to mention Chitwood Media that is making webcasts from the home sites present at ETBU and CUA.  We have had radio at HPU at home and McMurry has a radio broadcast by Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rawlins for about 80 games in football, men's and women's hoops conference games, and baseball for several years!  (Kit and Leon, if my dad were living now, he would be your greatest fans! He loved radio baseball and taught me how to love radio sports!  Thank you for that Field of Dreams moment!)

Bill Mercer, a name that many of you fans who are my age and older will remember, is bringing some of his UNT radio students to do UTD home games. 

I encourage you fans to post the scores and comments as you can.  Don't worry about messing up.  Just the facts, and if you make a mistake, correct it as soon as you can. 

We have a great group of ASC fans, and this board is making it even more fun!

And look for stuff in baseball in about 6-8 weeks. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 12, 2007, 12:10:48 AM
Nice job on the scores everybody.  I was away from my computer during game time, but I just got back in around 11 and read them all and it was like I was following four games at once.  Initial thought of the night is that Hardin-Simmons must not have been able to stop the Tornados at all, a huge win for them.  Also a nice win for ETBU, they must have kept their momentum going from a strong second half at LETU on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 12, 2007, 12:56:50 AM
Just in from the MC/UTD game tonight. Not the best game I have seen the Choctaws play but they still got the double digit win. For whatever reason MC was lackluster most of the first half on offense and but were solid on the defensive end all game. They were down six then all of a sudden they ended the first half on a 9-1 run and opened the second 11-2 for an eleven point lead. UTD did get within one midway through the 2nd half but a 14-1 run put the game out of reach.

UTD has a good team but they struggled to find open shots. They have some very good shooters but they took some tough shots tonight. Salinas scored 17 but was just 5-15. After that championship game performance against MC in the Dome two years ago, he is probably a marked man but he is legit and can shoot it from anywhere. He was hounded all night by D. J. Jones and was playing with an injury that sat him down the final eight minutes or so. Noone else provided much offense.

MC did play very well in the second half. After being outrebounded 17-12 in the first half and I'm sure getting an earful at halftime from Coach Jones, they came out and outrebounded UTD 20-8 in the 2nd half and got a lot of easy shots.

I can see how UTD has won 11 games. If you lose them for a second, they have shooters who can hurt you.

About the Concordia/Hardin-Simmons game. I am surprised HSU got beat because they are talented but I thought Concordia was one of the most athletic teams we have played all year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 12, 2007, 01:46:22 AM
About the Concordia/Hardin-Simmons game. I am surprised HSU got beat because they are talented but I thought Concordia was one of the most athletic teams we have played all year.

right behind Wesley :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 12, 2007, 09:23:58 AM
Once again, an exciting evening in ASC basketball.  CUA - what's the word on Valention Maxwell?  Done for the season or if CUA made the playoffs could he come back?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 12, 2007, 10:15:23 AM
To the best of my knowledge, which isn't every good on the matter, he's done for the year. Personally, I'd rather have him back 100% next season than rush him back for the tourney and risk another more severe injury. Assuming all non-seniors come back, I think we lose at most one starter (mental note to check on that).

I wasn't at the game, unfortunately, but from the box score it looks like HSU ran into a CUA team that had three guys have career nights. I think that Moore's 24 was a career high, if not it was close. Stat-wise, Mann played the best all-around game of his short career, or close to it. Sherlin got more PT than he had in a while and came through big time. Way to go, boys!

Now, if we can repeat the feat against McMurry the West will be really jumbled up again. :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 12, 2007, 11:14:34 AM
Dont know if anyone noticed but Kase Gonzales of LC was 9-11 from the 3 pt line and was one make away from Ryan Vines ASC record. He is shooting 47% from deep 31-55 on the season. He had 29 points in the game to lead LC over Tyler.  Josh Johnson had 27.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 12, 2007, 01:13:21 PM
Since we are now playing division teams and finished with the crossover games, here is an interesting stat. The East Division held the advantage this year going 31-25 against our friends from the West. That number is a little out of whack with MC accouting for eight of the wins, but even if you throw out the top teams from each side (MC 8-0, HSU 5-2) the East still held a 22-20 advantage. I thought that to be interesting because the West has been better top to bottom the last few years but not this year if you go by crossover games. Hopefully that is a sign that the entire ASC is getting better as a whole and more competitive within the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 12, 2007, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 12, 2007, 01:13:21 PM
Since we are now playing division teams and finished with the crossover games, here is an interesting stat. The East Division held the advantage this year going 31-25 against our friends from the West. That number is a little out of whack with MC accouting for eight of the wins, but even if you throw out the top teams from each side (MC 8-0, HSU 5-2) the East still held a 22-20 advantage. I thought that to be interesting because the West has been better top to bottom the last few years but not this year if you go by crossover games. Hopefully that is a sign that the entire ASC is getting better as a whole and more competitive within the conference.

Great Post!  I'd also like to think that if LETU's Dewones Smith went on the trip to SRSU/HPU, they would've split on that road trip.  But such is life and that's a time when bench players need to step up. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 12, 2007, 02:29:26 PM
Chris, I had also noticed the same thing.  I think it means that some of the previous West powers such as McM and SRSU lost a few more games than usual and LeTourneau won about three more games than usual against the West.  It should be a fun four weeks to close out the season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 13, 2007, 12:29:46 PM
I will be at the MC game today, so I won't have updates. You can listen at http://gochoctaws.com/.  game starts at 3
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 13, 2007, 02:07:11 PM
Live MC/UTT men's stats at http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/mbball/xlive.htm (http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/mbball/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 13, 2007, 06:59:17 PM
Wow, LeTourneau finds themselves all alone in second place in the East Division for the first time ever.  Looks like LC is starting to play pretty well... I haven't seen the boxscore yet, but locking down on UTD is impressive.  For those that haven't seen the score LC won 64-42.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 13, 2007, 09:32:22 PM
Mississippi College beats UT-Tyler 66-45 and led 34-14 at the half. Senior 6'8" guard Timothy Broomfield was 4-5 from three and is 25-40 this year. MC got ahead early and UTT never got closer than 20 after the half. The UTT starters combined to score 16 points on 4-23 shooting.

MC didn't really click this week on offense but are playing great defensively. They are holding opponents to 59.9 points and less than 40 percent shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2007, 10:34:47 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 13, 2007, 09:32:22 PM
Mississippi College beats UT-Tyler 66-45 and led 34-14 at the half. Senior 6'8" guard Timothy Broomfield was 4-5 from three and is 25-40 this year. MC got ahead early and UTT never got closer than 20 after the half. The UTT starters combined to score 16 points on 4-23 shooting.

MC didn't really click this week on offense but are playing great defensively. They are holding opponents to 59.9 points and less than 40 percent shooting.
Sounds like a Coach Jones team... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 13, 2007, 11:04:51 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2007, 10:34:47 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 13, 2007, 09:32:22 PM
Mississippi College beats UT-Tyler 66-45 and led 34-14 at the half. Senior 6'8" guard Timothy Broomfield was 4-5 from three and is 25-40 this year. MC got ahead early and UTT never got closer than 20 after the half. The UTT starters combined to score 16 points on 4-23 shooting.

MC didn't really click this week on offense but are playing great defensively. They are holding opponents to 59.9 points and less than 40 percent shooting.
Sounds like a Coach Jones team... ;)

A comparison from last year to this one.
Under Coach Jones this season:  76.2 pts scored and 59.9 allowed, scoring margin of 16.3 points
Under Coach Lofton last year:     81.6 pts scored and 65.5 allowed, scoring margin of 16.1 points.

Under Coach Jones this season:  FG% .517 / .396  , difference of .121
Under Coach Lofton last year:     FG% .514 / .393  , difference of .121

Its uncanny how close the numbers are. There is a slight difference in style but they are very close. I remember us in transition a little bit more last year but not a lot more and we probably make teams score in the halfcourt a bit more this season allowing fewer easy buckets. We are a bit more patient this year on offense so both teams end up with fewer shot attempts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 13, 2007, 11:05:18 PM
MCM 94, CUA 87 final.

I think McDonald was something like 0-10 from three-point range in the game. Couldn't buy a trey.

But that's not to take away from McMurry, who played some dang good ball. Found a way to beat everything we threw at 'em. I look forward to the end-of-season rematch in Abilene.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 01:19:39 PM
After UT-D's four game losing streak and since we are halfway through the conference schedule I was wondering how everybody would rank the teams.  At this moment, here are mine.

1. Mississippi College - everybody already knows about them
2. UMHB - ever since losing at LeTourneau they have been playing some great bball and might be in line to start getting some top 25 votes.
3. LeTourneau - I know, I know, you will all ask me what I'm smoking, but at this point in the season they are playing very well and it seems they have figured out how to win the close games, plus they have victories over UMHB and HSU.
4. HSU - a veteran team who will be a tough out for anybody come tournament time.
5. UT-Dallas - I was a big supporter of them early and it seemed to be validated with their win over UTA, but since then they have hit a wall and.

My team of the week would be Louisiana College, they lose their first eight games of the season, but they keep on fighting and have now won 3 of 4 in conference, plus an undressing of the Comets on Saturday.  Kudos to the Wildcats.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 15, 2007, 03:03:30 PM
I did the SI player rating math like gccfan did, but subsituted minutes played for team games played. It's not perfect, but neither method really is. It's just another way of looking at the numbers. Mabye I'll crunch the numbers on a team level and see if there's any correlation between it and team record. The top 10 players were:

1. M. Jean, HSU 1.59
2. T. Broomfield, MC 1.37
3. J. McDonald, CUA 1.35
4. J. Young, SU 1.33
5. L. Reese, SRSU 1.29
6. H. Kareem, UO 1.29
7. R. Barney, SU 1.28
8. K. Deans, SU 1.24
9. R. Burgart, UMHB 1.24
10. K. Johnson, HPU 1.23
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 15, 2007, 03:17:23 PM
Quote from: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 01:19:39 PM
After UT-D's four game losing streak and since we are halfway through the conference schedule I was wondering how everybody would rank the teams.  At this moment, here are mine.

1. Mississippi College - everybody already knows about them
2. UMHB - ever since losing at LeTourneau they have been playing some great bball and might be in line to start getting some top 25 votes.
3. LeTourneau - I know, I know, you will all ask me what I'm smoking, but at this point in the season they are playing very well and it seems they have figured out how to win the close games, plus they have victories over UMHB and HSU.
4. HSU - a veteran team who will be a tough out for anybody come tournament time.
5. UT-Dallas - I was a big supporter of them early and it seemed to be validated with their win over UTA, but since then they have hit a wall and.

My team of the week would be Louisiana College, they lose their first eight games of the season, but they keep on fighting and have now won 3 of 4 in conference, plus an undressing of the Comets on Saturday.  Kudos to the Wildcats.

Hard to argue with that list at this point except for the 5 spot. I would put McMurry in there simply based on the fact they beat UTD already this year and they have the same record in conference. UTD is a better team than they have played the last two weeks though. I would be surprised if they don't turn it around.

How about UMHB. They have won six in a row starting with the huge win over Viriginal Wesleyan and a win over Ripon who is leading the Midwest Conference. They also beat McMurry and HSU last week giving them four big wins in the last few weeks. They did not have a good night at MC but you could tell they had a good squad. Has anyone seen them lately?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2007, 04:06:51 PM
McMurry beat LeTU and then catch UMHB the last weekend of the season in Abilene.  That weekend probably determines the seeding for the tourney. 

We need to turn the close games around.  We specifically need one of the candidates for team leader to take the season under his control and "will" ourselves to victory.  We have a one-point loss to HSU and a one-point loss to ETBU.  We also have a 5 point loss to Rowan.  That is unacceptable.

We have 7 home games of the remaining 11.  It is time to put this season together.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 15, 2007, 04:11:13 PM
I think it is safe to say that UMHB has been doing a pretty good job of defending their home court.  All six games in their win streak have come at home.  I think Ralph is correct in saying that the final weekend of the season when UMHB goes to McMurry and HSU will determine the 1,2,3 seeds in the West.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 15, 2007, 10:45:55 PM
Choctaws move up to #7 in the latest Top 25 poll. That is the highest ever ranking for MC. The previous high was #8 to end last regular season. UMHB also receiving votes again with three. I thought they would get more votes though with the six straight wins including one over #5 Virginia Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 16, 2007, 03:18:01 PM
CUA @ UMHB rescheduled for 1/23 due to weather.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 16, 2007, 07:17:05 PM
On another note, it would be great if it were possible to hold an ASC All-Star game with the first and second teams from the East and West playing each other, led by the respective Coaches of the Year. Held after the NCAA tourney, of course. Logistics would prevent it, most likely, unless some business sponsored the thing and paid for travel expenses. It would have to be held in a central location too.

Maybe someday...  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Insider on January 16, 2007, 09:40:19 PM
Mississippi College   25   
Louisiana College    19

2nd Half -  19:00
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Insider on January 16, 2007, 09:46:42 PM
Choctaws   33
LC              21

2nd - 14:57
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Insider on January 16, 2007, 09:48:16 PM
Sorry, I didn't see the In-game update thread.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Insider on January 16, 2007, 10:16:23 PM
Mississippi College   63
Louisiana College    43

Final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 16, 2007, 10:20:39 PM
the chocs have won 31 conference games in a row.  second longest streak. i believe they said wheaton (il) had 61 in a row.   this is a repeat post but i thought it was worthy enough to put it in both threads.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2007, 11:20:44 PM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on January 16, 2007, 10:20:39 PM
the chocs have won 31 conference games in a row.  second longest streak. i believe they said wheaton (il) had 61 in a row.   this is a repeat post but i thought it was worthy enough to put it in both threads.
+1, thanks for the notation!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 17, 2007, 10:18:20 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 16, 2007, 07:17:05 PM
On another note, it would be great if it were possible to hold an ASC All-Star game with the first and second teams from the East and West playing each other, led by the respective Coaches of the Year. Held after the NCAA tourney, of course. Logistics would prevent it, most likely, unless some business sponsored the thing and paid for travel expenses. It would have to be held in a central location too.

Maybe someday...  ;D

I think this is a GREAT idea!  I'd go with the 12 best players on both sides, play a 7 game series, with the Division with the conference champ having home court advantage.  I'll have my line-ups later today!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 17, 2007, 02:17:07 PM
My first post of the season.  I've been looking at the records on the south region site and it shows McM with a record of 5-5 and a loss to the Ozarks.  It should be a record of 6-4 and a win against the Ozarks.  Pat, just thought you might want to know.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 17, 2007, 03:53:49 PM
looks like the mc-lc game was a defensive battle.  glad to see mc is back to playing defense the way they used too.  I think ralph said it earlier, looks like a coach jones team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 17, 2007, 05:06:48 PM
Does anyone think that MC will be beaten the rest of the regular season?  I would like to say that LeTourneau could give them a run, but I don't think we are there yet.  Of course right now, team's are probably thinking that if they only get one win against MC, save it for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 17, 2007, 05:44:52 PM
I saw MC play HPU in Brownwood a couple of weeks ago.  I know they were on a LONG  road trip, but HPU hung with them pretty well most of the game.  While I think HPU is better than we were showing earlier(but 2 wins in a row now!),  I think MC is certainly beatable.  They were very good , but not breathtakingly so as I would expect a top 10 team to be. I think someone will beat them even before the tournament, but I have been proven wrong before.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 17, 2007, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: kid nice on January 17, 2007, 03:53:49 PM
looks like the mc-lc game was a defensive battle.  glad to see mc is back to playing defense the way they used too.  I think ralph said it earlier, looks like a coach jones team.
kid nice aka ACE ;)
  when ya gonna make it to a game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 17, 2007, 07:07:30 PM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on January 16, 2007, 10:20:39 PM
the chocs have won 31 conference games in a row.  second longest streak. i believe they said wheaton (il) had 61 in a row.   this is a repeat post but i thought it was worthy enough to put it in both threads.
The streak of 31 conference wins including last year's ASC tourney would actually rank as the 6th longest such streak in DIII history. Wheaton won 61 in a row in the 1950's and that stands as the longest. The information was gathered by SID Brian Rose of Bethany College but it is not official from the NCAA so their could be a few other streaks in there.

Quote from: HPU75 on January 17, 2007, 05:44:52 PM
I saw MC play HPU in Brownwood a couple of weeks ago.  I know they were on a LONG  road trip, but HPU hung with them pretty well most of the game.  While I think HPU is better than we were showing earlier(but 2 wins in a row now!),  I think MC is certainly beatable.  They were very good , but not breathtakingly so as I would expect a top 10 team to be. I think someone will beat them even before the tournament, but I have been proven wrong before.
The team had been on the road for ten days and playing in Brownwood is not easy. It was not MC's best game but HPU had some good players and will beat several teams down the stretch. I don't think there is a team in DIII that is not beatable and MC certainly can be beat if they don't show up to play. Last night they led LC 23-17 after a so-so first half, then shot 78 percent in the second half to win by 20.

But it is hard to go through the league without a loss. Even last year's team could not do it. Until the second half of last night, they had not been crisp on offense in the last few games but winning with defense. In their last five games they are allowing just 49 points per game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 17, 2007, 07:21:56 PM
Where do they play on saturday. I should be in Jackson saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on January 17, 2007, 08:05:59 PM
HSU and Schreiner (and McMurry and TLU) have moved their games to Friday (5-7) and Saturday against TLU is at 4 and 6. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Insider on January 17, 2007, 10:04:28 PM
kid nice, MC will be in Arkansas to take on Ozarks Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 18, 2007, 09:03:00 AM
I was hoping they would be in Clinton. I will have to catch them later. Always a tough trip to Ozarks. You usually are playing 5 on 8 at that gym. good luck Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 18, 2007, 09:08:15 AM
And I see I made it to second string. Moving on up in the world.  Congrats to me.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 18, 2007, 09:38:57 AM
Ralph,

Any chance you will be at the UT-D vs LETU game on Saturday?  Hopefully should be a great match-up and it'll show us where LETU really is at?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2007, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 18, 2007, 09:38:57 AM
Ralph,

Any chance you will be at the UT-D vs LETU game on Saturday?  Hopefully should be a great match-up and it'll show us where LETU really is at?
I actually prefer to be at my computer listening to McMurry at home! ;)

I will consider it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2007, 01:16:09 PM
FYI Sul Ross vs UMHB and HPU vs CUA moved to Monday January 22.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 18, 2007, 01:26:27 PM
With a St. Thomas loss and Wittenburg getting drilled yesterday I see the Chocs making a #5 rank with a win against Ozarks. Does anyone know when the regional rankings come out, im thinking it should be pretty soon
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2007, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: hoopstar on January 18, 2007, 01:26:27 PM
With a St. Thomas loss and Wittenburg getting drilled yesterday I see the Chocs making a #5 rank with a win against Ozarks. Does anyone know when the regional rankings come out, im thinking it should be pretty soon
Regional rankings begin on Feb 7th.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 18, 2007, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2007, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 18, 2007, 09:38:57 AM

I actually prefer to be at my computer listening to McMurry at home! ;)

I will consider it.
Ha, I don't blame ya!  Well I am looking forward to seeing UTD in action!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2007, 10:04:53 PM
I am listening to ETBU broadcaster, Charlie Chitwood, doing the game.  Charlie is an easy voice to follow. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on January 18, 2007, 11:15:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2007, 10:04:53 PM
I am listening to ETBU broadcaster, Charlie Chitwood, doing the game.  Charlie is an easy voice to follow. ;)

Is that the same Charlie Chitwood who operates the D3Hoops.com and D3Football.com online store (http://chitwoodsports.com/cart/index.php?cPath=25&osCsid=03576bd283747de037b376852143e752)?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 18, 2007, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on January 18, 2007, 11:15:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2007, 10:04:53 PM
I am listening to ETBU broadcaster, Charlie Chitwood, doing the game.  Charlie is an easy voice to follow. ;)

Is that the same Charlie Chitwood who operates the D3Hoops.com and D3Football.com online store (http://chitwoodsports.com/cart/index.php?cPath=25&osCsid=03576bd283747de037b376852143e752)?

One in the same. I honestly did not know he was doing the online store. He does a great job broadcasting for ETBU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 19, 2007, 10:37:44 AM
Sorry I didn't post earlier about the LETU-UTTyler matchup last night... For the first time all season long the Jackets appeared tentative for most of the game.  My feeling is that for the first time they felt the pressure that they should win the game.  They nearly pulled it off, but credit the Patriots who put together a complete game and they hit a number of tough shots.  Anyways, I'm dissappointed with the loss, but think we will be ok in the long run.

On another note, that was a huge win for ETBU last night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 19, 2007, 11:32:03 AM
who did etbu play?  that was a huge win for tyler considering the season they are having. never thought i would say that about beating letu, no offense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 19, 2007, 12:09:29 PM
Quote from: kid nice on January 19, 2007, 11:32:03 AM
who did etbu play?  that was a huge win for tyler considering the season they are having. never thought i would say that about beating letu, no offense.

ETBU beat UT-Dallas on the road... Kid Nice, I was thinking the same thing about UT-Tyler and wondering when was the last time someone said beating LETU was a good win.  I hate for us to lose, but I guess statements like that mean we are moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 19, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
It's time I get into the action again this year.  I know this has been talked about before, but here is my biggest wish for the year in the ASC...that someone beats MC in the conference tourney, and two teams get into the dance.  Two teams with a shot are much better than one.  And yes, I want that other team to be McM. 

On another note, I saw MC play McM and MC was clearly the better team.  McM does not have the post dominance that they had when they were winning conference championships.  They have always had some good athletes and some great teams in the past, but I think they are going to have to find a big man to  compliment some of the up and coming players they have right now.  I'm sure it's hard to find one of those players because of the chance that some of those players have to play DII or DI ball.  I've seen them play 3 times this year, and they are definitely better than last year, and they seem to be having alot more fun this year.  I think things are going back into the right direction...towards championships.  And thank God we don't have to listen to all the yelling again on the bench.  It wore me out going to those games last year.

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 19, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: finnman on January 19, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
It's time I get into the action again this year.  I know this has been talked about before, but here is my biggest wish for the year in the ASC...that someone beats MC in the conference tourney, and two teams get into the dance.  Two teams with a shot are much better than one.  And yes, I want that other team to be McM. 

On another note, I saw MC play McM and MC was clearly the better team.  McM does not have the post dominance that they had when they were winning conference championships.  They have always had some good athletes and some great teams in the past, but I think they are going to have to find a big man to  compliment some of the up and coming players they have right now.  I'm sure it's hard to find one of those players because of the chance that some of those players have to play DII or DI ball.  I've seen them play 3 times this year, and they are definitely better than last year, and they seem to be having alot more fun this year.  I think things are going back into the right direction...towards championships.  And thank God we don't have to listen to all the yelling again on the bench.  It wore me out going to those games last year.

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!




Now I would agree with you on MCM not being as good as their 2001 team. But I dont know about MC. You should ask Mary Hardin Baylor that question :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 20, 2007, 12:28:02 AM
I did not get to go to the game or listen tonight.  How did the Indians look?  I saw that they barely won.  Also, how did Moreno look?  I saw he only played about 4 min.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2007, 06:50:59 AM
The Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=236) is asking for contributions about old gyms.

Of the gyms that I have seen, the Mayborn Center (UMHB),  Ornelas (UT-T) and the Gallego (SRSU) are the newest.  UT-D's is recent.  MC's Golden Dome (AE Wood Coliseum), HSU's Mabee Complex and McMurry's Kimbrell Arena are not ancient.  (McMurry's current gym opened my senior year in college.)  The only other facility still in operation in which I watched a McMurry game when I was in college is the "Mausoleum".   I first heard HPU's Brownwood Coliseum called that by my late father, 37 years ago.  ;)  I watched NAIA McMurry play Stedman Graham (Mr Oprah Winfrey) and D-1 HSU, in the Taylor County Coliseum.

What about other "old gyms" in the conference?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 20, 2007, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: finnman on January 19, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
It's time I get into the action again this year.  I know this has been talked about before, but here is my biggest wish for the year in the ASC...that someone beats MC in the conference tourney, and two teams get into the dance.  Two teams with a shot are much better than one.  And yes, I want that other team to be McM. 

On another note, I saw MC play McM and MC was clearly the better team.  McM does not have the post dominance that they had when they were winning conference championships.  They have always had some good athletes and some great teams in the past, but I think they are going to have to find a big man to  compliment some of the up and coming players they have right now.  I'm sure it's hard to find one of those players because of the chance that some of those players have to play DII or DI ball.  I've seen them play 3 times this year, and they are definitely better than last year, and they seem to be having alot more fun this year.  I think things are going back into the right direction...towards championships.  And thank God we don't have to listen to all the yelling again on the bench.  It wore me out going to those games last year.

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!


but this is 2007, and the Chocs are doing pretty good. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 20, 2007, 07:04:27 PM
does anybody know the scores to the UTD game or the ETBU game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 20, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
Tyler beat etbu 66-62

Bad all the way around for ETBU.  ETBU was up by 10 at the break.  At 65-62 with 25 seconds left Isom hit a short jumper and the underneath official called a foul.  He was overtuned by the official near half court and it was ruled a charge.  That pretty much ended it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 20, 2007, 11:22:25 PM
CUA 85, Sul Ross 62.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2007, 03:14:33 PM
Guess a little losing streak and UTD shuts down its web site.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: utdcomet on January 21, 2007, 07:18:06 PM
Don't know why a stories on this week's games aren't posted.  UTD beat LeTourneau 54-40 Saturday afternoon.  Great defensive performance by the Comets.  Still struggling on the offensive end.  UT-Tyler comes calling Monday night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 21, 2007, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: finnman on January 19, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

Finnman,
   I respect your opinion regarding this year's MC team, but I saw those MC and McMurry teams around 2000 and I don't think this year's team takes a back seat. You could make a very good argument that last year's MC team is actually the best team this conference has produced and future teams are chasing them. This year's team definitely has the talent to challenge that but they will have to prove it on the court. I think the ASC is better than it has ever been top to bottom making this season that much more impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 12:56:03 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 21, 2007, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: finnman on January 19, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

Finnman,
   I respect your opinion regarding this year's MC team, but I saw those MC and McMurry teams around 2000 and I don't think this year's team takes a back seat. You could make a very good argument that last year's MC team is actually the best team this conference has produced and future teams are chasing them. This year's team definitely has the talent to challenge that but they will have to prove it on the court. I think the ASC is better than it has ever been top to bottom making this season that much more impressive.
Chris, I must respectfully disagree with the assessment of All-Time ASC teams.  Here are my choices and the justifications of those rankings.

1)  2000 McMurry - (27-2) Elite 8. Ranked as high as #4 in Week # 13.  Final Ranking #6.  Defeated MissCollege 105-81 in the Tourney.  In the playoffs, they beat Pomona-Pitzer in the second round 111-76 after P-P had beaten #9 Trinity in the first round.  In the Sweet 16, they defeat (Final #18) Maryville TN, 112-95, which had upset #2 Hampden-Sydney in the second round.  Finally lose to National Champion Calvin at Calvin before 4500 fans in the Elite 8.  (Can we say homecourt advantage?)

2) 2004 Sul Ross - (21-9) Sweet 16. Upset highly-favored #12 Trinity in San Antonio and then loses in OT to #7 Lawrence on a neutral floor.  SRSU finished at #25.  (Lawrence lost in OT on a neutral court to National Champion UW-Stevens Point).  I think that this is the all-time Rodney Daingerfield ASC performance.

3) 2001 McMurry - (24-4) Sweet 16. Beat Mississippi College (Final #23)  in tourney and in the second round.  After a 23-game winning streak, they lost to Finalist #2 William Paterson with future NBA'er Horace Jenkins.  Final Ranking #13. (Two losses were to scholarship NAIA-1 schools in November.)

4) 2006 MissColl - (29-2)  Sweet 16. #8 in week 13.  Hosted Sub-regional and defeated unranked Maryville MO and Maryville TN and then lost to #20 Transylvania on a neutral floor, 64-76.  Final rankings-- Transy #7, Miss Coll #13.

5) 2002 Miss Coll - (22-3)  Hosted second round after the bye and lost 57-70 to Lewis and Clark (Week 13 was #22; Final #9). I listened to that game and Miss College had no solution for L&C's outside shooting and height.  (Miss College was as high as #17 and final ranking was #21.) 

6)  2001 Miss Coll -  (23-5)  Demolish SCAC champion Millsaps 61-45 in the first round and lose to McMurry in Abilene in the second round 86-82 in a classic.  Final Ranking -- #23.  (In fact, I might put the 2001 MC team ahead of the 2002 team!  :) )

The jury is still out on the 2007 Chocs!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 22, 2007, 01:44:07 AM
Ralph,
   I was waiting on that and here is how I would rank and why. I know I am nitpicking here for the sake of argument but I do realize we are talking about the ASC's all-time best.

1a) 2006 Mississippi College - (29-2) Set the conference record for wins and beating SRSU, McMurry & Howard Payne at HPU to win the ASC Championship was more impressive than McMurry's beating Ozarks and MC at home. MC also won two NCAA games against very similiar teams as the 2000 McMurry team. If MC beats Transylvania I think this is a no-brainer but the loss opens debate.

1b) 2000 McMurry - (27-2) Like I've said before, they were impressive to watch. But looking closer at the body of work they did not beat one ranked team the entire season and had a very easy road to the Elite 8. Their two NCAA wins were against two unranked teams. Pomona-Pitzer did not receive a single vote in the final regular season Top 25 and Maryville only had one vote. It is nice to have that Elite 8 appearance but they did not beat anyone to get there and the one premier team they faced beat them by 36.

3)  2001 McMurry - (24-4) That was a very good team who I thought got shafted by playing William Patterson. I thought the MC team was one of our most talented and this McMurry team beat us twice. This team is a solid #3.

4) 2002 Mississippi College - (22-3) Had a tremendous season and earned an NCAA First Round bye but could not handle a good Lewis & Clark team who reached the Elite 8.

5) 1999 Mississippi College - (25-3) It is hard for me to rank this team because I did not see them play. They won the ASC and reached the Sweet Sixteen with a win over Maryville but lost to John Carroll.

6) 2004 Sul Ross State - (21-9) This team had a great run in the tournament to reach the Sweet Sixteen but I can't put them higher because of the nine losses. If the losses were close I could but six more than the 2002 Choctaws can't be overlooked.

The 2001 Choctaws were arguably our most talented but it is hard for me to put them on the list without an ASC Championship. We will see how this year's MC team turns out. They have a long way to go to equal these teams.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 02:10:14 AM
Chris, my only question using Pat's Top 25 rankings is whether the collective group of voters in Pat's poll are smarter (or he is providing better data) and we are getting a better poll than in 2000.  (This is the 8th season of his Top 25!)

On the other hand, as for McMurry's competition in 2000, I have to believe that the NCAA had a very good handle on the strength of traditional D3members, the SCIAC Champ (Pomona-Pitzer) and the SCAC Champ (Trinity) and the 1999 runner-up/ODAC member Hampden-Sydney (which lost in double OT) in their seedings for the tourney.  The ASC was still the new kid on the block!

(We had 5 players to foul out of the MC (tourney semi-finals (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/05_06/mcm-mc.htm)) game last year, and you only beat us by 11.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 02:15:50 AM
Chris, I think the 2001 team is why Finnman thinks this year's team is not as good as either of your 2000 or 2001 contenders.

In 2001, you were a Pool C bid, and you stomped the SCAC winner!

In 2000 (http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa00.htm), you were a Pool C bid and lost to a good CNU team in VA.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 22, 2007, 02:24:53 AM
I definitely feel the poll has gotten better. But even with the benefit of hindsight, I don't see Pomona-Pitzer 2000 or Maryville (Tenn.) 2000 getting into the Top 25.

That having been said, however, I think there were many ranked teams McMurry 2000 could have beaten, were it given the opportunity. The fact that the first ranked team it faced was the eventual champ shouldn't necessarily hurt it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 22, 2007, 08:11:36 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 02:10:14 AM

On the other hand, as for McMurry's competition in 2000, I have to believe that the NCAA had a very good handle on the strength of traditional D3members, the SCIAC Champ (Pomona-Pitzer) and the SCAC Champ (Trinity) and the 1999 runner-up/ODAC member Hampden-Sydney (which lost in double OT) in their seedings for the tourney.  The ASC was still the new kid on the block!

(We had 5 players to foul out of the MC (tourney semi-finals (http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/05_06/mcm-mc.htm)) game last year, and you only beat us by 11.)

I'm not trying to take anything away from the 2000 McMurry team. I thought they were a great team but in hindsight they didn't have a big win over a perennial top ranked team all year. I think they were certainly capable of beating a team like that but unfortunately their first opportunity to get it done was against the eventual National Champion on their own floor and the ASC got stomped. I point that out because people are always on here ripping MC for their tournament losses but that McMurry team had the same chance and suffered the biggest loss of any ASC team in the NCAA tourney.

Having said that, I know I will not get many national DIII fans to believe this but I think that McMurry team and last year's MC team potentially could have been Final Four teams if they get to play at home.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 02:15:50 AM
Chris, I think the 2001 team is why Finnman thinks this year's team is not as good as either of your 2000 or 2001 contenders.

In 2001, you were a Pool C bid, and you stomped the SCAC winner!

In 2000 (http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/mncaa00.htm), you were a Pool C bid and lost to a good CNU team in VA.

I understand why he would say that because that team was solid but they didn't win the ASC. I think they were arguably our best chance to advance in the tourney due to their size but they lost their last two against McMurry so we will never know.  We had to go on the road and got beat by a McMurry team that I think shot 40-50 free throws. They had their chance when we hosted the ASC championship at home but couldn't close the game against a tough McMurry team.

Last year's MC team was a great team and I think they had their great season against a better overall ASC than the 2000 and 2001 McMurry and MC teams.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 09:18:33 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 22, 2007, 08:11:36 AM
...
Having said that, I know I will not get many national DIII fans to believe this but I think that McMurry team and last year's MC team potentially could have been Final Four teams if they get to play at home.

No argument here!  You outlined that well in your "Top 25 discussion"about Final Four teams and "fly-ins". (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4097.msg650041#msg650041)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 22, 2007, 09:58:08 AM
Having played on and against several of those teams I must say the 2000 McMurry team was the best in the ASC. I don't think that the 1999 Chocs are to far behind though. One of our best players had a car wreck and broke his hand on the way to the secound round game and our 6th man had a serious ankle injury or sweet sixteen game could have been a little different. There is no way the 2002 chocs were better than this team or the 01' version (of course I am biased).  The 01' Indians were a very good team as well with Denson, but we beat them in Abilene that year and the other two were absolute wars so I don't see either one of us being much better than the other with the slight advantage going to them with the two wins.  Have no idea about sul ross.  The 01' UMHB squad was a good one who never made it to the tourney as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: career_kid on January 22, 2007, 11:04:51 AM
Oldest gym's in the ASC...
On the West side, w/o a doubt Lutheran's gym and the place in downtown Brownwood!On the East side, you'd have to go w/Ozarks and it's 'opening' across mid-court and no heat visitors dressing room...and of course the gym at Pineville.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 22, 2007, 12:20:51 PM
My take on the UTD-LeTourneau game on Saturday... Each team played excellent defense and for LETU it was probably their best defense of the year.  JJ Rockmore stuck to Salinas all game long and held him to 3 points.  If you are a Jackets' fan you have to be frustrated that you held Salinas and still couldn't pull out the victory.  Early on LETU went inside to Evers and they scored some easy lay-ups, but then they went away from him.  I was very impressed by Carruthers, doesn't really look like a player from appearances, but he controlled the game and then made 9-of-10 free throws at the end to ice the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 22, 2007, 07:53:24 PM
What about those LC Wildcats making a comeback in the East!! I believe they're a team to be reckoned with as long as they stay healthy.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2007, 08:51:56 PM
Welcome lcwildcatfan,  Please post any thoughts, hyperlinks to stories in The Town Talk or other info on the Wildcats that you can.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 22, 2007, 09:00:22 PM
Here is an article on D. J. Jones in his hometown paper Vicksburg Post. The article has several errors but here it is http://www.vicksburgpost.com/articles/2007/01/14/sports/sports01.txt (http://www.vicksburgpost.com/articles/2007/01/14/sports/sports01.txt)

Tidbit on D. J. He led his Vicksburg High team to a 5A State title over a Starkville team featuring 6'8" guard Travis Outlaw who was drafted straight out of high school in the 1st Round that year by Portland. D. J. was selected 2nd Team All-State by the Clarion ledger. Not bad considering four of the five 1st Team selections are in the NBA and three drafted straight out of high school.

Here is an article we released on D. J. today. http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/mbball/2007/1/22/MBSKDJJonesStory.asp?path=mbball (http://www.gochoctaws.com/News/mbball/2007/1/22/MBSKDJJonesStory.asp?path=mbball)

I guess East Division Player of the Year will come down to D. J., Timothy Broomfield, Chris Isom or Martin Salinas..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 23, 2007, 12:06:49 PM
I think the Wildcats will be a tough out over the last four weeks of the season.  It seems that they have righted the ship and are really playing well lately.  This will be a big week for them with ETBU and LETU at home. 

My vote for player of the year would go to Broomfield right now, I haven't seen him play yet this year, but I remember him from last year. 

BTW, here is an article about LeTourneau Dewones Smith http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/articles/2007/01/23/sports/sports108.txt
for some reason they say LeTourneau is in Richardson, but otherwise it's not a bad article.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 24, 2007, 10:54:13 AM
Ralph, I noticed Glenn Gilliard hadn't played the last few games.  I was wondering if he got hurt or something. 


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: gccfan on January 24, 2007, 10:54:13 AM
Ralph, I noticed Glenn Gilliard hadn't played the last few games.  I was wondering if he got hurt or something. 
He had 3 points the other night.

I really think that Coach Holmes has 10-12 players who can come in a play their role.

He got great defensive minutes out of several players the other night.

Look at the box score.  If they got minutes and not points, they were shutting down Zach Pickelman and working on Mardochee Jean***.   I remember defensive props were given to Drew Rigney, Emile Brown, Christopher Beck, Chris Gammage and Cole Dickerson.  Robert Moreno, our "injured" point guard is working back into shape.

This is an unselfish team.  I can see them clawing back into the title run.  They are one game back now.

***My all-West Team at this time is UMHB's Guyden, HSU's  M. Jean, Pickelman, CUA's McDonald and McM's Alvin Stevens.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 24, 2007, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 12:53:57 PM
***My all-West Team at this time is UMHB's Guyden, HSU's  M. Jean, Pickelman, CUA's McDonald and McM's Alvin Stevens.

Ralph,
   I think that is the All-West team when we are done. Valentino Maxwell would have taken one of those spots but not with just nine games played.
  In the East I would guess it is MC's D. J. Jones, Timothy Broomfield, LC's Josh Johnson, ETBU's Chris Isom and UTD's Martin Salinas. Dusty Evers of LeTourneau also could make it.

My early All-ASC team right now would be MC's D. J. Jones, Timothy Broomfield, ETBU's Chris Isom, HSU's Pickelman and UMHB's Kevin Guyden. But I would also like spots for LC's Josh Johnson, HSU's Jean, McMurry's Alvin Stevens, UTD's Martin Salinas and Concordia's McDonald. It will be a hard team to pick this year, lots of good players.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 03:10:49 PM
Chris, I like your ASC-East.  (I wish we could split into 2 full conferences!!!)

For the All-Conference, I would save one slot for the champion, e.g., M Jean or Stevens, if they won.

If LeTU makes the finals, then I consider Evers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 24, 2007, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2007, 03:10:49 PM
Chris, I like your ASC-East.  (I wish we could split into 2 full conferences!!!)

For the All-Conference, I would save one slot for the champion, e.g., M Jean or Stevens, if they won.

If LeTU makes the finals, then I consider Evers.

Both of those players could be All-ASC, just depends on how the teams do down the stretch. I was able to see Jean this season and came away impressed. Very athletic player, especially for his size. I did not get to see our Thursday night McMurry game so I have not seen Stevens though it stats are impressive.

I am anxious to see LeTourneau tomorrow night in the dome. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 25, 2007, 12:19:36 PM
What is the best atmospere/crowd in the ASC. I know at MC the weeknight games draw more students than the Saturday afternoon games (or at least they used to). What school consistently has the best crowds for the home games, or does it have to be a big game to really draw the students.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on January 25, 2007, 12:32:10 PM
Chris,

I know the Chocs have LeTU tonight and I have heard that they are much improved.  What kind of problems do you think they pose for MC?

Kid nice - Hope you roll Dunham ......... ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 25, 2007, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: kid nice on January 25, 2007, 12:19:36 PM
What is the best atmospere/crowd in the ASC. I know at MC the weeknight games draw more students than the Saturday afternoon games (or at least they used to). What school consistently has the best crowds for the home games, or does it have to be a big game to really draw the students.

Has to be the HSU / McMurry games. You get good turnout from both teams since they share Abilene which creates one of DIII's best rivalries. I heard from players that last year's atmosphere at HPU for the Championship game was excellent. The boxscore had just under 2,000 people there and I think that place is loud.

I don't know if you were able to get back for our NCAA games last year, but for both our games we had between 2,000-2,500 which was mostly just our fans. I would think the crowds would be bigger this year if we have the same opportunity. If we played Millsaps in a home NCAA game we could potentially draw well over 3,000. I know they packed over 2,000 in their building for your NCAA game in 2001.

Quote from: t_money on January 25, 2007, 12:32:10 PM
Chris,

I know the Chocs have LeTU tonight and I have heard that they are much improved.  What kind of problems do you think they pose for MC?

Kid nice - Hope you roll Dunham ......... ;D

I have not seen them yet so I can't say for sure. They beat UMHB and HSU and both of those teams are very good this year. I think they play a four guard lineup so they could probably create some matchup problems, we will see. They are not very big and get outrebounded but they have a 6'8" center (Dusty Evers) with good size who was last year's Freshman of the Year and has had a great year this season. Dewones Smith is a 6'4" guard who has also had a very good season. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 25, 2007, 04:01:27 PM
That Millsaps game was the best atmosphere I ever played in.  T, if letu beats us I will shave my beloved beard. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 25, 2007, 06:12:10 PM
MC vs LeTourneau men's live statshttp://www.gochoctaws.com/live/mbball/xlive.htm (http://www.gochoctaws.com/live/mbball/xlive.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2007, 01:04:06 AM
McMurry 90-59.  Solid performance by McM.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 26, 2007, 01:35:38 AM
saw the MC-LETu game tonight and the Choctaws looked brilliant... They shot 67 percent from the field for the game and held the Jackets to 30 percent.  It was an interesting game in that LETU actually outrebounded MC, 34-30 and had 18 offensive rebounds.  MC looked very smooth and executed as well as any team I've ever seen.  LETU battled throughout the game, but just couldn't buy a bucket.  One piece of bad news for MC was the Tyler Winford went down with a knee injury and was on crutches after the game.  Hopefully it isn't serious.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 03:03:15 AM
The LC vs. ETBU game tonight was an all out brawl. About 13 minutes left in the second half an ETBU player kicked #23 while he was on the ground. That changed the momentum of the whole game because the ETBU player got a technical and after that LC never looked back and won the game. My prayers and thoughts go out to Chris and #14. They hit heads towards the end of the game and both went to the ground. They had no clue where they were at. Good luck to both of y'all the rest of the season. <><
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on January 26, 2007, 08:12:02 AM
Quote from: kid nice on January 25, 2007, 04:01:27 PM
That Millsaps game was the best atmosphere I ever played in.  T, if letu beats us I will shave my beloved beard. 
you know you can't grow a beard
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 26, 2007, 09:35:23 AM
Congrats to MC on the win. Unfortunately, the word last night was the Winford injury might be serious. Would be a big blow to Chocs and could change the outcome of the season. Balls, I have a grizzly beard.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 26, 2007, 09:47:52 AM
CUA 91, Schreiner 85 in overtime.

CUA's Moore had 24, Walker had 23, and Reefer got a double-double (10 point, 10 boards) in 20 minutes off the bench. Most of those were probably in place of Mitchell, who only played 12 due to foul trouble.

The win put CUA in 4th place in the division at 5-7, though we've played two fewer games than the three 5-9 teams behind us. I know we haven't played our first UMHB game yet, but I don't know where the other game is/was/went.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on January 26, 2007, 03:02:20 PM
Here is the link to the local paper for LC:
http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070126/SPORTS/701260337
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on January 26, 2007, 06:18:00 PM
cuafan: I believe every team in the west has now played its 2 games against its "partner"--HSU/MCM, HPU/Sul Ross,etc., except CUA and UMHB  who still have both games to play on the next 2 Tuesday nights.  Beat UMHB twice and you help yourself and almost everyone else except UMHB!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 26, 2007, 09:03:52 PM
Thanks, hpu75, that makes sense.

As far as making the conference tourney goes, we more or less have our destiny in our hands since we're sitting in fourth place. If we down TLU twice, beat Schreiner and Sul Ross again, and beat HPU, all I think we'd need to lock up a spot would be an upset of UMHB, HSU, or MCM, maybe two. It seems to me from looking at the stats like our freshmen are starting to figure out how to do well in the ASC, but I'll believe that for sure if they finish the year like they've been playing recently.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 26, 2007, 11:43:57 PM
I heard today Winford will be out 2 to 3 weeks
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 12:00:41 AM
Quote from: hoopstar on January 26, 2007, 11:43:57 PM
I heard today Winford will be out 2 to 3 weeks

Jan 26th plus 21 days (3 weeks)  equals February 16th, last weekend of the regular season.

He'll be back.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 27, 2007, 12:09:37 AM
I've only seen Winford play a couple times, once this year and once last year.  He really wasn't the one that was the major factor against HPU.   Is it the way HPU plays him or is it just that someone else for MC always steps up during that game and takes over?  I know this year DJ Jones and Broomfield lit HPU up but Winfield really didn't do much.

Good luck in his recovery and return.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on January 27, 2007, 09:15:19 AM
I generally just lurk here.  I don't get to watch much d3 bball because of work but there was a good article about UMHB's Kevin Guyden in the telegram today so I thought I'd post a link.  I will say it is a bit "homerish" but what do you expect from the local paper.

http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2007/01/27/38037 (http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2007/01/27/38037)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2007, 10:16:31 AM
Quote from: mhb8904 on January 27, 2007, 09:15:19 AM
I generally just lurk here.  I don't get to watch much d3 bball because of work but there was a good article about UMHB's Kevin Guyden in the telegram today so I thought I'd post a link.  I will say it is a bit "homerish" but what do you expect from the local paper.

http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2007/01/27/38037 (http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2007/01/27/38037)
Thanks mhb8904. I think that UMHB wins at least 7 more.  I would like for CUA to tag them once.  I don't think that HPU can do it at Mayborn.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on January 28, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
If the ASC tournament started today the East representatives would be MC, UTD, LeTU, and LC.  The West would have UMHB, McM, HSU,and CAU.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the tourney will be in Clinton. ;D

I would like to hear thoughts and comments on how you see the ASC tourney playing out.  I know it is still early, but it would be fun to talk about.  Do you see anybody beating MC at home?  Is there a team capable putting three solid performances together and getting the automatic bid into the NCAA tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2007, 02:26:29 PM
tmoney, I think that there are 2 different dynamics working in this tourney.  For the 7 tourney participants not nicknamed the Choctaws, it is win 3 and get the Pool A bid.

For Choctaw fans, it is win the bid, and host a regional, and then a sectional.  Anything less than a Final Four, when this team was ranked as high as 5th or 4th, will give pause for great consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 28, 2007, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: t_money on January 28, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
Do you see anybody beating MC at home? 

Good question/comment.  I really don't see anyone from the "West" winning three straight, of which one would be against MC...I assume.

I do visualize an upset (perhaps :-\)  of MC by any of the West's top three...UMHB, McM, or even HSU.  HSU played MC  (70-67)...loss...in Abilene.  McM lost to MC 73-57...in Abilene.  Not that I am an expert in basketball, but so much of the game seems to be a result of "head-to-head" competition.  Given the close win over HSU, maybe HSU matches up with MC...better than, say McM.  I don't know, but it "seems" that could be the case.  We'll see. 

Yes, the tournament will be in Clinton.  Don't forget the HCA...OR...the possibility of an upset!   ;D

Go COWBOYS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 28, 2007, 05:17:55 PM
Quote from: dsc on January 28, 2007, 04:23:47 PM
...the possibility of an upset!   ;D

And that's why they play the games. :)

Take a hint, D1 football people. :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 29, 2007, 02:15:44 PM
I'm planning on being at the tournament this year and am looking forward to some great games... I think MC should win it all, especially since they are at home and by far the best team I have seen play this year.  If I'm a team that wants to win all three I would do my best to be on the opposite side of the bracket from the Choctaws so that would be the 1,3 teams out West and 2,4 in the East.

I'm glad to hear that Winford's injury isn't too serious, it was really kind of a fluky play he got injured on.

In the East, it looks like the top three spots are pretty much sewn up, but who gets the fourth bid.  My gut says Ozarks, but they have been so inconsistent this year.  LC has a tough finish with only one more home game, while ETBU plays four straight home games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 29, 2007, 05:54:48 PM
Hey guys, been awhile, but good to see the ASC is still running strong!  So I decided to start postseason thoughts early - wanted to get everyone's opinon.  Here are my thoughts from the East Side without seeing MC or LC play yet:
Player of the Year -
D.J. Jones, MC
Best player on the best team.  Stellar defender who just makes everyone around him better.  Only avg. 27 minutes a game.  14pts a game on 59% from the field, 48% from 3pt land.  Also shooting 81% from the charity stripe.
Chris Isom, ETBU
Timothy Broomfield, MC


Defensive POY -
Marcus Coleman, LETU. 
While his stats may not be gaudy, Coleman does so much for LETU.  He's a division 3 Charles Barkley, without the stats.  He normally matches up with the other team's best post player and while he may not shut him down, he makes opponents work for every point, most recently Josh Johnson of LC who shot 6-22 on the night. 
Timothy Broomfield, MC
Chris Isom, ETBU


Newcomer -
Jayme Bradley, LETU
Avg. 11.3 pts.  Considered one of the most dangerous shooters when on top of his game. First game of career, hit 7 3's against Jarvis in 84-81 win.  Key three pointers led to comeback win against Ozarks.  Hit four in a row in first half of ETBU win. 
Adrian Reese, UTT

Freshman -
JJ Rockmore, LETU
Early season injury hindered his play, but he has come on late and made a huge impact on both end of the floors.  Shut down Martin Salinas in his first start of his young career.  Scored in double digits 5 times.  Started season slow with foot injury and missed all of preseason practice. 

Coach -
Bob Davis, LETU
Can anything else be said of what Coach Davis has done with "LETOURNOVER"?  He has brought a young team, with only one senior, into the conference playoff race.  Some of the Jackets accomplishments this year include key wins of Hardin-Simmons, UMHB, road wins over TLU and Schreiner and a series sweep of ETBU.  Though they've had some midseason hiccups at UTT, UTD, and MC (though I heard they played alright against MC and would've beat many teams with that type of afternoon), still earned a tough road win against a hot LC team. 

Well I know I am bias being an LETU fan, but I feel like I have some good arguements with them.  Not trying to be a know it all, but it's been fun having our name mentioned in the playoff race!  How about everyone else's thoughts!?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 29, 2007, 07:53:59 PM
Not denying anyone's ability, but defensive player of the year should be a shutdown defender and not someone who just makes you work for your points.  I do think Jones should be POY cause I think the best player on the best team should get it.  Also, if you average 14pts. under Coach Jones thats like 20 or more in someone else's system.  Don't know about newcomer or coach ( i am biased as well and have to give my vote to Coach Jones) but we have to remember there is a lot of season left and anyone could win 4 or 5 in a row or lose 4 or 5. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 29, 2007, 08:20:32 PM
Still three weeks to go but here is how I see it right now.

Player of the Year
D. J. Jones, MC

D. J. and Tim Broomfield are both Co-MVP's in my opinion right now but I think D. J. will win it. Whichever player does not get Player of the Year should be Defensive Player of the Year. This tandem ranks among the best guard combinations in the country if not the best.
Chris Isom, ETBU

Defensive POY
Timothy Broomfield, MC

Hard to argue with 57 blocked shots, 43 more than any other ASC East Division Player.
D. J. Jones, MC


Newcomer of the Year
Jayme Bradley, LETU

Averaging over 11 points for the biggest surprise team in the ASC this season.

Freshman of the Year
Jordan Eppink, UTD

Averaging in double figures and a big reason UTD has had such a good season.

Coach of the Year
Mike Jones, MC

I think the coaches at UTD and LeTourneau both do a great job and are deserving, but so far MC is having arguably the best season in ASC history with a 17-1 record and win over#20 Johns Hopkins. Their #4 ranking I think ties McMurry (2000) for the highest in league history. I hope they stay motivated and can keep it going.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 29, 2007, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 29, 2007, 08:20:32 PM
Still three weeks to go but here is how I see it right now.

Freshman of the Year
Jordan Eppink, UTD

Averaging in double figures and a big reason UTD has had such a good season


I agree with you.  At the time, I couldn't think of many other freshman to consider.  The only time I saw him play is against LETU and he had a very quiet night, but I realize for the most part he's put up solid numbers all year.  Great pick!

This year's coach of the year is a toss up.  Coach Jones is a phenomanal coach, and if he were to win it, it would be deservingly so.  However, my thoughts are that Coach Davis has gotten so much out of his team this year while only returning 3 players from last year's team and bringing some excitment back to LeNerdo!

Mind you, there are a lot of games left and anything can happen.   

Either way, great picks Chris - I realize you SID's have a little more knowledge about the game then us fans!  Will you be traveling with the team this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 29, 2007, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 29, 2007, 11:10:43 PM
Either way, great picks Chris - I realize you SID's have a little more knowledge about the game then us fans!  Will you be traveling with the team this weekend?
I'm not sure if I will catch both games yet or not, still up in the air. I would like to catch them both though.

I don't know if we have more knowledge or not. People who follow DIII all rely on the internet for most of the information so everyone can be informed if they have an interest. I do get to see more teams than most fans which at least lets me see the players. 

Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 29, 2007, 11:10:43 PM
This year's coach of the year is a toss up.  Coach Jones is a phenomanal coach, and if he were to win it, it would be deservingly so.  However, my thoughts are that Coach Davis has gotten so much out of his team this year while only returning 3 players from last year's team and bringing some excitment back to LeNerdo!

He's certainly done a great job there. Good to see LeTourneau winning, but hopefully for us not Thursday night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 30, 2007, 10:04:23 AM
Well let us know if you are gonig to be on campus at the game!  Hopefully it will be a little more exciting than last week's game!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 30, 2007, 05:30:16 PM
Going back to players of the year and stuff... Anybody out West want to venture a prediction?

Player of the Year - My pick is Mardochee Jean at HSU, A great rebounder and shot blocker who has become a consistent scorer.  Nipping at his heals I would have Kevin Guyden (UMHB), Joel McDonald (CUA), Alvin Stevens (McM) and Zach Pickleman (HSU) probably in that order..

Def Player of the Year - Once again, I would go with Jean.  I don't even think this one is close with his rebounding and shot blocking coming into play.

Newcomer of the Year - I'm not really sure of this one, who are the top transfers?  Someone let me know

Freshman of the Year - Richard Moore, Schreiner... He has put together a strong season including a 36-point outburst against ETBU.  Should be a great player for year's to come.

Coach of the Year - I'm holding my vote on this one, but if Stan Bonewitz at Concordia can get his team to the playoffs with Valentino Maxwell I think he deserves some credit.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 30, 2007, 06:06:55 PM
I think I would go with UMHB's Kevin Guyden for the West Player of the Year. They have won ten in a row and having a great year. I think they are a Top 25 team right now, hopefully they continue to play well.

HSU's Jean is a no-brainer for Defensive Player of the Year.

Schreiner's Richard Moore could get Freshman and Newcomer of the Year.

For coach of the year, I would have to vote for UMHB's Coach Deweese. They are 14-3 and probably 4th in the South Region rankings if they came out today.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 30, 2007, 06:50:45 PM
All-Conf. Teams
East
1st Team
C - Dusty Evers, LETU
F - Timothy Broomfield, MC
F - Chris Isom, ETBU
G - DJ Jones, MC
G - Martin Salinas, UTD
2nd Team
C - Habeeb Kareem, OZ
F - Marcus Evans, MC
F - Josh Johnson, LC
G - Dewones Smith, LETU
G - Travis Carruthers, UTD

Am I missing anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 31, 2007, 12:02:44 AM
That game tonight between CUA and UMHB was terribly called! Not to slight UMHB, they played hard and well to be sure, but the officiating materially affected the outcome of the game. By the last 3 minutes, nearly every player we needed to play had 4 fouls (McDonald had 3, the one exception I can think of off-hand), preventing the tight defense needed to get a stop. I know I'm biased, but I really think that, in a well-called game, we win tonight. The officials were inconsistent, made numerous blatantly bad calls (both ways in the first half, not so much in the second), and generally prevented the players from deciding the outcome. Terrible...

Fouls
CUA - 31
UMHB - 19

Free Throws
CUA - 21 (made 11)
UMBH - 37 (made 23)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 31, 2007, 10:46:44 AM
Chris, how many points are the Chocs giving up defensively in ASC games. Seems like no one has had over 50 on them in awhile.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 31, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: kid nice on January 31, 2007, 10:46:44 AM
Chris, how many points are the Chocs giving up defensively in ASC games. Seems like no one has had over 50 on them in awhile.
They are outscoring ASC opponents 72.3 - 53.7 for the season.  In their last eight games this month, they are outscoring opponents 67.9 - 48.6 and teams are shooting just 33 percent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 31, 2007, 01:15:43 PM
Thanks Chris, I knew they had been really shutting people down lately.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 31, 2007, 10:13:43 PM
I know this isn't basketball related but did anybody watch Deal or No Deal tonight? There was a guy from UT-Tyler on there that ended up winning $214,000. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 12:19:02 AM
Wasn't able to watch him tonight but saw the beginning of his round last night. Lots of UTT support in that audience, wow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 01, 2007, 11:26:15 PM
The most exciting game I've been apart of the last seven years here at LETU.  'Jackets win on a tip in at the buzzer.

MC drives to the basket with 7 seconds left, is rejected by LETU's Smith.  LETU's Bradley heaves a shot from MC's free throw line, hits the right side of the backboard, bounces to Smith, who misses the layup, but Rockmore follows with a put back to win.  Great game for both teams. 

This is the most excited I have ever seen LETU fans about their basketball team.  All 500 or so fans hung on to every made basket as they knew this could be the biggest victory in 'Jacket history.  As Rockmore hit the shot, every person in the stands rushed the court. 

I will tip my hat to the MC players.  I talked with a couple of them after the game and they showed their respects to LETU, saying that they would see us in the tournament and that we have finally turned it around.  I really don't know what else to say about the game, I am totally lost for words!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 02, 2007, 12:27:19 AM
Maybe one of you can help me.  I am trying to find a d2 (yes a d2) school in Texas.  So my question is if anyone knows, what are the d2 schools in Texas?

I went to the website of d2 basketball.  Its just not as easy to navigate through like d3hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2007, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 02, 2007, 12:27:19 AM
Maybe one of you can help me.  I am trying to find a d2 (yes a d2) school in Texas.  So my question is if anyone knows, what are the d2 schools in Texas?

I went to the website of d2 basketball.  Its just not as easy to navigate through like d3hoops.
There are 2 D2 conferences with teams from Texas:  the Lone Star Conference (http://www.lonestarconference.org/) and the Heartland Conference (http://heartlandsports.org/index.shtml).

There are no D2 indepedents in the state.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 02, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
Well, not to harp on the MC-LETU game to long, here are a couple of things I have let soak in now:

Coach Davis should definitley be the front runner for Coach of the Year now.  Coach Jones is an excellent coach and like I've mentionted before, if he wins, than deservingly so, but I don't think there is another Coach who could do more with this LETU team, with wins over HSU, UMHB, MC and a sweep of ETBU really helps his resume. 

Broomfield will win Defensive Player of the Year.  He definitley changed the 'Jackets inside game tonight.  However, I think LETU's Marcus Coleman and MC's DJ Jones should get some major consideration.  Coleman, an undersized power fowarded, played his best defensive game of the year on MC's big men.  DJ Jones shut down LETU's guard play.  While he switched back and forth on who he guarded, he was in the face of every LETU player he guarded. 

Jones is by far the player of the year.  The most impressive player I've seen play this year.  He scored a variety of ways against the Jackets, inside and out.  I don't even think POY voting should be close. 

The 'Jackets have a very bright future ahead of them, with the returning of 4 starters and 3 key reserves.  While I won't say they are at the level of MC by any means what-so-ever (road losses to SRSU, HPU, UTD and UTT hurt them), I think they no longer should be taken for granted.  MC's radio guy was very praiseful of the young Jackets, which just shows you the type of program MC runs!

Sorry for the long post!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 02, 2007, 10:25:51 AM
Bearkat,
   Thanks for the posts about the game, I wish I could have gotten over there. It sounded like a great game with an unbelievable ending. No question Coach Davis has done a great job with that team. From watching them last week, Dewones Smith and Dusty Evers gives you a chance to beat anyone in the conference tournament.

Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 02, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
Jones is by far the player of the year.  The most impressive player I've seen play this year.  He scored a variety of ways against the Jackets, inside and out.  I don't even think POY voting should be close. 

Thanks for the kind words about D. J. He had several DI opportunities but chose to play closer to home where he knew he could win championships. I think he's the best in the ASC this year and probably is the best perimeter defender as well. I would put him up against any guard in DIII right now. If you had a chance to meet him he is a very good guy also. It is easy to pull for kids like that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 02, 2007, 10:51:37 AM
Thanks Chris - it's hard not be biased as this is an unbelieveable win here at LETU.  I think every department is talking about it this morning, but with that being said, as a MC fan, that shows you where your program is.  I would say that this is bigger than either ETBU win we've had this year.

I have to say that you guys have terrific young men who showed a lot of respect to our team.  MC could've took this loss as the end of the world, but after the game, your men seemed to realize that this wasn't the end of the world and were not hanging their heads by any means.  In the long run, this may be something that needed to happen for the simple fact that there is no more pressure on them to really keep the winning streak alive. 

Both teams played really hard basketball.  MC didn't play horrible and LETU didn't play unbelieveable.  I'd like to think that it was two good basketball teams going at it.  MC ran a great final play, a double screen at the top of the key with about ten seconds left.  I think he just ran it to early.  Coleman was able to get his hand on the ball as Collins was going up.  The thing that I saw this morning was that it was a hustle play for LETU.  It look like Hudson had a chance to grab the rebound first from Bradley's full court shot, but Smith stepped in front of him and attempted a finger roll from 5 feet out.  As Rockmore came to tip it in, Hudson had a hand in his face.  Either way, both teams played great. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: choctawmaniac on February 02, 2007, 11:19:29 AM
Pat Coleman is very serious about honoring copyright laws.  One should not "cut and paste" another news story, but rather give the hyperlink so all can read the original story.  I am using my capabilities as a moderator on the baseball boards to modify this post.

Thanks for the "heads-up" on what is happening in Pineville. :)

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070202/NEWS01/702020325

s/ Ralph Turner






I knew LC has problems with its administration telling half-truths and being secretive, but now there is the following news from Pineville:


Six Lady Cats basketball players quit LC program
By Randy Benson and Bob Tompkins
rbenson@thetowntalk.com, btompkins@thetowntalk.com
(318) 487-6431, (318) 487-6349

Six players, including starters Carol Elder and Ashley Peairs, have quit the Louisiana College women's basketball team.

Thirteen players walked off the court -- leaving first-year coach Robin Potera-Haskins with four players -- during practice earlier this week to meet with athletic director Tim Whitman. Seven players subsequently returned to the team.

"They didn't do it to hurt the basketball program," said Lynn Peairs of Pride, father of Ashley Peairs. "They came into a program where basketball was secondary and helping the girls become well-rounded, moral, Christian girls was more important. I think they knew after a week or so (after the start of practice) that that program is no longer there."
Louisiana College played its first game without the six players Thursday night, losing 77-51 to East Texas Baptist University in Marshall, Texas.

Whitman confirmed Thursday that he met with a group of players.

"There were discussions," Whitman said. "We had six kids decide not to play the rest of the games."

Whitman declined to divulge the names of the players who left the team, saying he did not have a list with him and did not want to pass out incorrect information.

"Anytime we have more than one quit, we're going to have a meeting to talk it out," Whitman said.

Players on the roster but not in uniform on Thursday included Elder, a senior co-captain who had started 16 games this season, and Peairs, a sophomore who had started 15 games, along with Lindsay LaBowe, Paige Singleton and Kayla Shirley. The identity of the sixth player could not be confirmed Thursday night.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 02, 2007, 03:34:13 PM
Congrats to LETU. I still can't believe it. I guess there goes our shot at hosting a sectional. we will just have to do it the hard way. How much time was left when the full court shot happened?  sounds like a lot of things happened after that. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 02, 2007, 03:41:33 PM
Kid, there were 7 seconds left because when Bradley threw the ball I glanced at the clock immediately and was wondering what he was doing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 02, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
Go to the LeTourneau athletics site and you can download and watch the final minute of the game if you Media Player

http://www.letu.edu/_Student-Life/athletics
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2007, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 02, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
Go to the LeTourneau athletics site and you can download and watch the final minute of the game if you Media Player

http://www.letu.edu/_Student-Life/athletics

That is a great clip!!!

Thanks for sharing it!

(+1 Karma)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 02, 2007, 06:02:34 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 02, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
Go to the LeTourneau athletics site and you can download and watch the final minute of the game if you Media Player
http://www.letu.edu/_Student-Life/athletics
Thanks for the clip, that is a once in a lifetime ending to a game. After looking at that maybe it just wasn't in the cards for MC to win, unbelievable. Has anyone sent that to ESPN? I would think that could be a potential Play of the Week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on February 02, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Great clip.  It was wild and fun to watch.  I've never seen an ending like that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 12:08:44 AM
McMurry went 70-7 in the four seasons from 1998-99 thru 2000-01.

1998-99--17-3 with losses to MissColl Schreiner, Austin College in the semis.
1999-2000--17-0
2000-2001--20-1 with a loss to MissColl in the regular season.
2001-2002--16-3 with losses to CUA, TLU and Miss Coll in the Tourney.

In the last 4 years, 

2003-2004--10-4 (The interdivisional games did not count towards the division championship.  MC went 5-3 versus the West in the interdivisional games,and 1-1 in the tourney.  Total ASC record 16-8.)
2004-2005--21-4 with losses to SRS, McM, ETBU,and UT-D in the Finals
2005-2006--24-1 with a loss to UMHB in the season.
2006-2007--15-1 to date.

That makes MissColl 76-14 over the last 4 yrs vs. all ASC opponents.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on February 04, 2007, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 12:08:44 AM
McMurry went 70-7 in the four seasons from 1998-99 thru 2000-01.

1998-99--17-3 with losses to MissColl Schreiner, Austin College in the semis.
1999-2000--17-0
2000-2001--20-1 with a loss to MissColl in the regular season.
2001-2002--16-3 with losses to CUA, TLU and Miss Coll in the Tourney.

In the last 4 years, 

2003-2004--10-4 (The interdivisional games did not count towards the division championship.  MC went 5-3 versus the West in the interdivisional games,and 1-1 in the tourney.  Total ASC record 16-8.)
2004-2005--21-4 with losses to SRS, McM, ETBU,and UT-D in the Finals
2005-2006--24-1 with a loss to UMHB in the season.
2006-2007--15-1 to date.

That makes MissColl 76-14 over the last 4 yrs vs. all ASC opponents.



WHY?  That is 30 sec of my life i will never get back.  thanks ralph ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 05:58:18 PM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on February 04, 2007, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 12:08:44 AM
McMurry went 70-7 in the four seasons from 1998-99 thru 2000-01.

1998-99--17-3 with losses to MissColl Schreiner, Austin College in the semis.
1999-2000--17-0
2000-2001--20-1 with a loss to MissColl in the regular season.
2001-2002--16-3 with losses to CUA, TLU and Miss Coll in the Tourney.

In the last 4 years, 

2003-2004--10-4 (The interdivisional games did not count towards the division championship.  MC went 5-3 versus the West in the interdivisional games,and 1-1 in the tourney.  Total ASC record 16-8.)
2004-2005--21-4 with losses to SRS, McM, ETBU,and UT-D in the Finals
2005-2006--24-1 with a loss to UMHB in the season.
2006-2007--15-1 to date.

That makes MissColl 76-14 over the last 4 yrs vs. all ASC opponents.
WHY?  That is 30 sec of my life i will never get back.  thanks ralph ???

Balls, I was trying to figure out how good this run by the Chocs really is.  If this continues next season, then we have seen a truly remarkable "mini-dynasty".  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 04, 2007, 08:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 05:58:18 PM
Balls, I was trying to figure out how good this run by the Chocs really is.  If this continues next season, then we have seen a truly remarkable "mini-dynasty".  ;)

Ralph,
   The run MC is on now extends much longer than three years though the last three have been exceptional. Starting in 1998, I would say we are on a ten year run including this season which would definitely qualify as a dynasty.

Five ASC Championships (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006)
   McMurry has two (2000, 2001), UTD has one (2005) and Sul Ross State has one (2004).

Eight NCAA tournament appearances in nine years (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006)
   McMurry has two appearances (2000, 2001), UTD one (2005) and SRSU has one (2004).

Since the ASC tourney started in 1999, MC has made every championship game (eight total).
   McMurry has made four (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003). SRSU, UTD, Austin and HPU all have one.


The last four years under Coach Lofton MC won two ASC titles, but we also won three in the five years before that under Coach Jones. During McMurry's four year run they won two ASC titles with MC also winning two.

Those numbers reinforce how dominant MC has been the last nine years and exactly how great an accomplishment it has been. To me the most impressive accomplishment is the eight straight championship game appearances, especially since moving to the eight team format the last two years.

To sustain that level of play for that long is remarkable and the coaches and players who have contributed should be commended. Hopefully the tenth season will be the best.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 04, 2007, 08:33:26 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 05:58:18 PM
Balls, I was trying to figure out how good this run by the Chocs really is.  If this continues next season, then we have seen a truly remarkable "mini-dynasty".  ;)

Ralph,
   The run MC is on now extends much longer than three years though the last three have been exceptional. Starting in 1998, I would say we are on a ten year run including this season which would definitely qualify as a dynasty.

Five ASC Championships (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006)
   McMurry has two (2000, 2001), UTD has one (2005) and Sul Ross State has one (2004).

Eight NCAA tournament appearances in nine years (1998, 1999, 2000*, 2001*, 2002, 2003, 2005*, 2006)
   McMurry has two appearances (2000, 2001), UTD one (2005) and SRSU has one (2004).

Since the ASC tourney started in 1999, MC has made every championship game (eight total).
   McMurry has made four (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003). SRSU (2004), UTD (2005), Austin (1999) and HPU (2006) all have one.


The last four years under Coach Lofton MC won two ASC titles, but we also won three in the five years before that under Coach Jones. During McMurry's four year run they won two ASC titles with MC also winning two.

Those numbers reinforce how dominant MC has been the last nine years and exactly how great an accomplishment it has been. To me the most impressive accomplishment is the eight straight championship game appearances, especially since moving to the eight team format the last two years.

To sustain that level of play for that long is remarkable and the coaches and players who have contributed should be commended. Hopefully the tenth season will be the best.

Chris, do you see what else is unusual about that run of playoff appearances?  The only 3 Pool C bids (*) that the ASC has received have gone to Miss College.  We can see if we get a Pool C bid this year.

Do you what else is unusual about the NCAA Playoffs?    Austin College in 1999,  is the only team from the ASC-East (Women) to have gone to the playoffs in that period of time.

I really wish that we could safely split into 2 separate conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 04, 2007, 09:43:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 09:01:55 PM
Chris, do you see what else is unusual about that run of playoff appearances?  The only 3 Pool C bids (*) that the ASC has received have gone to Miss College.  We can see if we get a Pool C bid this year.
I am surprised that no other team has had a good enough record to earn a pool C. I can't remember how long the NCAA has been using the QOWI but I think it covers this time frame. In 2001 and 2004 MC was #1 or #2 in the south region rankings entering the tournament and I think our regional record was very good in 1999. I thought McMurry had a shot in 2002. The Choctaws have done a good job of winning enough in the regular season to allow for a loss in the ASC tourney.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 09:01:55 PM
Do you what else is unusual about the NCAA Playoffs?    Austin College in 1999,  is the only team from the ASC-East (Women) to have gone to the playoffs in that period of time.

I really wish that we could safely split into 2 separate conferences.
UTD went to the playoffs with their ASC championship in 2005. MC and UTD have gone from the East and McMurry and Sul Ross State have gone from the West. Since going to the eight-team ASC tourney format both champions have come from the East, MC last year playing at Howard Payne and UTD the year before beating us at home.

I agree about the potential to split the conference. I think it would be a good thing only because it would probably mean some NAIA schools moving to DIII which would give us a bigger pool of teams.

One of our big problems in the NCAA tournament and football playoffs is the scarcity of teams down here compared to other parts of the country. In a perfect scenario, 3-4 NAIA schools would move to DIII so we could split the league giving us three major conferences in the deep south to go along with the SCAC. It could also create some interesting rivalries with schools geographically closer to one another.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2007, 11:11:40 PM
My bad!!!!

ASC Women!  See correction above! :-\

The head coach of that 1999 Austin College Women's Head Coach was current LaCollege Head Coach Robin Potera-Haskins.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 05, 2007, 01:24:31 PM
Disappointing loss by LETU vs LC on Saturday.  LC gets credit cause they hit some key shots, but they didn't do anything spectacular to win.  Josh Johnson has mastered the art of the fade away jumper, but outside of him, we contained everyone else.  We just couldn't finish close to the basket and I would say we missed almost a dozen open shots within 5 feet of the basket.   Frustrating loss to follow up the MC game. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 05, 2007, 03:59:31 PM
I like the idea about splitting the conference.  The only problem would be that some sports there probably wouldn't be enough teams to get that automatic bid.  Now if each side picked up two other schools then I would say they would probably be safe.  I thought I heard that the NCAA is putting a freeze on NAIA schools jumping over though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2007, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 05, 2007, 03:59:31 PM
I like the idea about splitting the conference.  The only problem would be that some sports there probably wouldn't be enough teams to get that automatic bid.  Now if each side picked up two other schools then I would say they would probably be safe.  I thought I heard that the NCAA is putting a freeze on NAIA schools jumping over though.

I think that a conference must sponsor 5 sports for men and 5 for women to be official.  It would be possible for those affected teams to become affiliates of the other conference.

I will post a scenario tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 05, 2007, 07:38:18 PM
For what it may be worth ....

The latest update for the Concordia/Austin relocation site shows what appears to be a football stadium, stands, and track.

QUESTION: is football in the works for this venue? Experts kindly chime in, please  ....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 05, 2007, 07:38:18 PM
For what it may be worth ....

The latest update for the Concordia/Austin relocation site shows what appears to be a football stadium, stands, and track.

QUESTION: is football in the works for this venue? Experts kindly chime in, please  ....

Concordia-Austin campus map. (http://www.concordia.edu/relocation/assets/pdf/Update-20.pdf)  Please click on January 2007 update.

I have heard nothing.  I have only heard rumors of an investigative commitee being formed.  Or was that another person running for president?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 06, 2007, 09:54:18 AM
Splitting the conference would also give more time to play the what seem to be all-important out of region games. Also, how did the LETU loss affect MC's positioning in the tournament ( if they win the rest of thier games)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 10:09:43 AM
Quote from: kid nice on February 06, 2007, 09:54:18 AM
Splitting the conference would also give more time to play the what seem to be all-important out of region games. Also, how did the LETU loss affect MC's positioning in the tournament ( if they win the rest of thier games)

Kid, one correction...

"out-of-region" games are not important.  Out-of-region games do not help with tourney consideration.

The games that help MissColl most with the tourney and seedings are:

1) conference games.
2) South Region (non-conference) games like Fisk.
3) administrative region games. (Miss Coll did not play any of these, but games against John Carroll or Wooster or Hope would have counted towards the "in-region".)
4) 200-mile radius games.  In parts of the country where a school is in another evaluation region, but is less than 200 miles away as in the New York City area, these are counted as in-region.  We don't worry about this criterion in the ASC.   :D

Look on the Regional Standings (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=south&team=m&view=standings) board .

The games versus Wesley MS, JHU and Westmont will have virtually no impact on NCAA Tourney seeding.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 06, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
Someone please explain how UMHB is not nationally ranked?  There three losses have come against quality teams (@MC, vs. UTD, @LETU) and they've beaten nationally ranked Virginia Wesleyan.  I guess I really don't understand why they haven't cracked the yet.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2007, 11:08:23 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 06, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
Someone please explain how UMHB is not nationally ranked?  There three losses have come against quality teams (@MC, vs. UTD, @LETU) and they've beaten nationally ranked Virginia Wesleyan.  I guess I really don't understand why they haven't cracked the yet.
Bearkat, the ASC has only had one Elite 8 appearance in the decade that we have been D3.  Even then McMurry (in 2000) made the Elite 8 by beating SCIAC (Pomona-Pitzer) and Maryville TN to get there.

We have never defeated a Great Lakes Region opponent in the tourney, and therefore the conference is not perceived as being as strong as we might think.

I think that UMHB gets to the Top 25 if they run the table in the regular season.  They have been slowly gaining votes each week as their record continues to improve.

Please look for the all-important "South Region Rankings" which the NCAA releases this week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 06, 2007, 12:05:29 PM
Thanks Ralph.  Much appreciated.  Do you see Guyden getting any national recognition this year for his play?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 06, 2007, 12:10:12 PM
Thanks for the link to the regional standings... My guess is that even if MC loses in the conference tourney they would still be 1st or 2nd in the region.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 06, 2007, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 06, 2007, 10:32:12 AM
Someone please explain how UMHB is not nationally ranked?  There three losses have come against quality teams (@MC, vs. UTD, @LETU) and they've beaten nationally ranked Virginia Wesleyan.  I guess I really don't understand why they haven't cracked the yet.

Bearkat,
  I have been wondering the same thing. Here is something I posted on the Top 25 board.

QuoteAs a south region poster and for debate sake, I do not understand why UMHB has not cracked the Top 25 when compared to other teams.

I use Hope as an example only because I think the schedules are similiar and I think UMHB has a better body of work this year if we don't consider years previous. But I do understand Hope is arguably one of the top few DIII programs traditionally and they have certainly earned it.

Hope is 6th and on a 16-game winning streak

  • No big wins against ranked teams or out of region teams, only two wins all season against winning DIII teams
  • Eight of their last ten wins against losing teams in what is a weak MIAA this season
  • Two losses to Wheaton and Carthage, middle of the CCIW this year. Honestly their biggest argument for their ranking are these losses
  • Eight of their last ten wins against losing teams in what is a weak MIAA this season

UMHB is not ranked riding a 13-game winning streak

  • Beat #4 Virginia Wesleyan, defending national champion
  • Beat Ripon, leader of the MWC. I know the MWC is down this year, but at least it is a win against someone outside their conference as a gauge.
  • Five wins against winning DIII teams
  • Last seven wins against Losing teams

I don't know anything about the Christian Colleges and NAIA schools that Hope plays, but I am assuming they are like the ones here in the south. UMHB has good wins over #4 Virginia Wesleyan, Ripon and McMurry and decent wins against Trinity and Hardin-Simmons. Hope has beaten Calvin and Tri-State.

I am not saying UMHB is better then Hope, I have no idea because I have not seen Hope play. But if someone looked at the numbers this year and not the name of the school most would swap them in the rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
And I followed up by noting that the Massey Ratings, which are computer based and do not look at the name of the school, have Hope fourth and UMHB 30th. So there must be something there. Although I don't have Hope nearly that high on my own human ballot.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 06, 2007, 02:26:14 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on February 05, 2007, 07:38:18 PM
For what it may be worth ....

The latest update for the Concordia/Austin relocation site shows what appears to be a football stadium, stands, and track.

QUESTION: is football in the works for this venue? Experts kindly chime in, please  ....

Some thought is being given to starting a football program here, but I don't know what the chances are of it happening or what the time frame would be if we did.

So in short, the answer's "maybe".  :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 06, 2007, 02:56:08 PM
Thanks Chris for the post about UMHB.  I guess it's safe to say is that UMHB really needs to win out and make a strong showing at the Conf. tournament to get in.  Who votes on the Top 25 polls?  Who votes on who should earn an At-Large Bid to the tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 03:00:10 PM
There's a link on the Top 25 that gives more Top 25 info.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 06, 2007, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 03:00:10 PM
There's a link on the Top 25 that gives more Top 25 info.

Ha - that's embarressing.  Thanks Pat!  Sorry for not being observent before asking a question.  For those who want to know visit http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=5 (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=5)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 06, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Bearkat,
    The Top 25 poll has nothing to do with selection to the NCAA Tournament. That is done by an NCAA Committee. Regional rankings will come out tomorrow giving you an idea of where everyone stands. The same criteria used to rank each region is used to select at large teams to the NCAA Tournament.

MC will probably be #1 in the south region rankings this week with UMHB projected to be #5.

Here is information posted by pabegg on the Pool C board with QOWI calculated.
SO  51   01 01  Mississippi College       008  A w C        10.5882 16-1 18-2
SO  53   02 03  Virginia Wesleyan         010  A w C        10.7619 18-3 19-3
SO  54   03 02  DePauw                    021  A w C        10.4118 14-3 17-4
SO  53   04 06  Guilford                  025  C 4          10.1111 15-3 16-3
SO  51   05 04  Mary Hardin-Baylor        029  C 6          9.95 17-3 17-3
SO  52   06 05  Maryville (Tenn.)         030  B 2          10 15-3 15-5
SO  55   07 07  Averett                   054  C second     9.5 12-4 14-6
SO  51   08 08  McMurry                   056  C second     9.3333 14-4 15-6
SO  54   09 09  Centre                    058  C second     9.5714 104 164
SO  51   10 00  Texas-Dallas              080               8.7778 13-5 15-5
SO  55   11 11  Greensboro                081  A other      8.8235 125 156


For the complete list of each region and exactly what everything means you can visit the Pool C board and scroll back to the post by pabegg.
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.870 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.870)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 06, 2007, 04:44:03 PM
...bearing in mind that this is just Patrick Abegg's view of the Pool C world and not in any way an official pronouncement.  You'll note that of Mississippi College and Va. Wesleyan, MC has the better regional record (16-1 vs. 18-3) but VWC has the higher QoWI (10.7619 vs. 10.5882).  Balancing these (and possibly the other three primary selection criteria), Patrick has come to the conclusion that MC "should be" #1 and VWC #2 in the South; but there is no guarantee that the South Regional Committee will reach the same conclusion.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 06, 2007, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 06, 2007, 04:44:03 PM
...bearing in mind that this is just Patrick Abegg's view of the Pool C world and not in any way an official pronouncement.  You'll note that of Mississippi College and Va. Wesleyan, MC has the better regional record (16-1 vs. 18-3) but VWC has the higher QoWI (10.7619 vs. 10.5882).  Balancing these (and possibly the other three primary selection criteria), Patrick has come to the conclusion that MC "should be" #1 and VWC #2 in the South; but there is no guarantee that the South Regional Committee will reach the same conclusion.  :)

I noticed that too but I think the two game lead keeps MC in front. Patrick's numbers are very close. I know that his QOWI for MC and Virginia Wesleyan is exact.

MC is leading Louisiana College 54-24 at the half and outscored LC 36-0 in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 07, 2007, 09:39:01 AM
Chris,

Not to jump the gun here or anything, that MC is loaded with a lot of SR who get the majority of playing time, with the exclusion of Collins and Winford.  I know you guys continually re-stock and all, but just curious to see if you can shed some light on what we might expect next year.  Normally MC has a couple of Sophmores who see significant playing time and I don't see that in this year's team.  Just curious...

Looks like the LETU loss really kicked it in gear for you guys.  Nice win!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 07, 2007, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 07, 2007, 09:39:01 AM
Chris,

Not to jump the gun here or anything, that MC is loaded with a lot of SR who get the majority of playing time, with the exclusion of Collins and Winford.  I know you guys continually re-stock and all, but just curious to see if you can shed some light on what we might expect next year.  Normally MC has a couple of Sophmores who see significant playing time and I don't see that in this year's team.  Just curious...

Looks like the LETU loss really kicked it in gear for you guys.  Nice win!

We lose a lot after this season but we have some talented players returning plus a couple who have not played a lot this year. I would expect us to bring in another big class next year heavy on junior college players, just like always.

Off of the 2003-04 team we only returned one player with any experience, our backup point guard that year Jason Walker. The next season we brought in Tyler Winford, Jonathan Collins and a lot of JUCO players who went 24-5 the next year and 29-2 last year.

Next year we won't have to completely rebuild, just add some players. We return Tyler, Jonathan and Prince Trotter. PT has a lot of talent and will have a big year next season. Plus there are a few other talented players who just did not have a chance to show it this year with so much returning talent.

We have some examples of those players this year. Marcus Evans did not play last year but has had a great year. Ryan Hudson and Gene Hunt played some last year but they have been great this year and a big reason for our success. Torry Crumedy and Prince Trotter were added to the roster and also have a lot to do with our success.

This is a big recruiting year for us though but I have heard it is going very well. Its a little bit easier to recruit when kids know they will have an opportunity to get playing time immediately.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 07, 2007, 05:07:18 PM
I was a little disappointed to see that UMHB was only 6th in the region.  What else do they need to do?  They have only won 13 or 14 straight games and haven't lost in the new year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 07, 2007, 05:13:06 PM
I also wanted to post an updated Top 10 players list

1. Mardochee Jean, HSU -- 45.79
2. Chris Isom, ETBU -- 45.09
3. Kevin Deans, SU -- 39.76
4. Timothy Broomfield, MC -- 39.67
5. Alvin Stevens, McM -- 39.43
6. Kevin Guyden, UMHB -- 38.64
7. Joel McDonald, CUA -- 38.62
8. Josh Johnson, LC -- 38.29
9. Jonathan Young, SU -- 37.10
10. Zach Pickelman, HSU -- 36.45

Looks like Jean and Isom are seperating themselves from the pack.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 07, 2007, 05:07:18 PM
I was a little disappointed to see that UMHB was only 6th in the region.  What else do they need to do?  They have only won 13 or 14 straight games and haven't lost in the new year.

gcc, in basketball, performance in the most recent games is not a criterion.

One fewer loss would have helped UMHB.

How do you think that we McMurry fans feel with 2 one-point last second losses?  That is keeping us from being ranked at all.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 02:46:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 07, 2007, 05:07:18 PM
I was a little disappointed to see that UMHB was only 6th in the region.  What else do they need to do?  They have only won 13 or 14 straight games and haven't lost in the new year.

gcc, in basketball, performance in the most recent games is not a criterion.

One fewer loss would have helped UMHB.

How do you think that we McMurry fans feel with 2 one-point last second losses?  That is keeping us from being ranked at all.

I assume they are basing this off of Strength of Schedule then?  UMHB only has 3 losses, the same as team that they have beaten (Virgian Wesleyan), one less than DePauw who is ranked higher than them and one of UMHB losses has come to MC. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2007, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 02:46:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2007, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 07, 2007, 05:07:18 PM
I was a little disappointed to see that UMHB was only 6th in the region.  What else do they need to do?  They have only won 13 or 14 straight games and haven't lost in the new year.

gcc, in basketball, performance in the most recent games is not a criterion.

One fewer loss would have helped UMHB.

How do you think that we McMurry fans feel with 2 one-point last second losses?  That is keeping us from being ranked at all.

I assume they are basing this off of Strength of Schedule then?  UMHB only has 3 losses, the same as team that they have beaten (Virgian Wesleyan), one less than DePauw who is ranked higher than them and one of UMHB losses has come to MC. 

Hello bearkat,

I think so.  pabegg ran his best guess at the QOWI here (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.851).  I think that UMHB is not getting help on the QOWI.  Look at the South Region Standings (IN-region games) (http://www.d3hoops.com/regions.php?region=south&team=m&view=standings) and assign them the QOWI values for the various won-loss percentages in the Handbook.  (Wins on teams over .665 = 14-15 points; from .500 to .665 = 12-13 points; .333-.499 = 10-11 points; .000 to .332 = 8-9.)

We have plenty of ASC schools whose in-region rankings are less than .333.  We get killed because we don't have another conference that is weaker than we are in Texas that offers South Region games that are winnable to our weaker teams, which in turn, boost their in-region records.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Thanks Ralph! 

Does a team, such as MC, who consistly does well in the National Tournament, improve the view of a conference to nationally or does it help when a different team earns a bid to the tournament year in and year out.  I hope this makes sense. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2007, 05:53:19 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Thanks Ralph! 

Does a team, such as MC, who consistly does well in the National Tournament, improve the view of a conference to nationally or does it help when a different team earns a bid to the tournament year in and year out.  I hope this makes sense. 
Bearkat, I hope that other posters jump in on this one as well.

I think that the best thing that can happen is for multiple teams to go deep in the tourney.  Because we are geographically isolated, I believe that we make our best case when our champion (after going thru the Texas sub-bracket) goes deep.  Then it is easier for us to contend that our conference is stronger than others might think.

Everyone can see the success that Texas/ASC teams have had.  They can remember that McMurry made to Elite 8, but that was 2000 and the Sweet 16 in 2001.  (What have you done for me lately?)  SRSU made the Sweet 16 in 2004.  (Yeah, same question.)  UT-D played a well-respected Trinity team close but lost anyway.  MC has been good, but they have never beaten a Great Lakes team in all of their trips to the NCAA's.

My wish is that McMurry beats Miss College in the Men's Tourney Finals and earns the Pool A bid.  Since Abilene is greater than 500 miles to Clinton, then why not just fly McMurry to some western venue that has "travel orphans" and seed Miss College (a Pool C team) in an eastern bracket.  I would then hope that both teams (being seen against different competition) would go deep.

As for the women, I hope that McMurry or HPU can make the Final Four this year.  Then, the ASC women are not just a one-trick pony (HSU Cowgirls).

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 08, 2007, 06:08:43 PM
Ralph, I agree with you on the need for multiple teams to do well.  For this season it means having someone upset MC in the conference tourney, although UMHB should have an outside shot at a Pool C bid if they continue to win.  On the women's side, it would be great if we could somehow split up our ASC bids so that we give multiple teams a chance to advance because this year I think McMurry, HPU and HSU could all go far in the tourney, but most likely only one will be able to advance out of the regional.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 09, 2007, 11:35:48 AM
Congrats to Zach Pickelman for passing the 1500 career points thursday night
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 09, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
Big matchup in the East Division tomorrow at LeTourneau.  UT-Dallas is coming to town and the Jackets still have a chance to overtake them in the standings.  Should LETU beat UTD and Ozarks next week and UTD loses to MC, then the Jackets would take second place due to their win over MC.  I expect a great game as neither team wants to be on the same side of the bracket as the Choctaws.  I will try to give updates throughout the game, but you can also listen at http://www.audiosportsonline.net/LeTourneau/Basketball.htm
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Thanks Ralph! 

Does a team, such as MC, who consistly does well in the National Tournament, improve the view of a conference to nationally or does it help when a different team earns a bid to the tournament year in and year out.  I hope this makes sense. 

I don't believe your premise that MC consistently does well in the NCAA Tournament (note the phrasing -- this isn't the NAIA) is accurate. They haven't done anything outside the South Region in those tournaments, which isn't going to raise the level of the ASC at all.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 09, 2007, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2007, 02:26:03 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2007, 03:38:04 PM

Does a team, such as MC, who consistly does well in the National Tournament, improve the view of a conference to nationally or does it help when a different team earns a bid to the tournament year in and year out.  I hope this makes sense. 

I don't believe your premise that MC consistently does well in the NCAA Tournament (note the phrasing -- this isn't the NAIA) is accurate. They haven't done anything outside the South Region in those tournaments, which isn't going to raise the level of the ASC at all.

My bad, I figured everyone got the point on that comment and would never even consider this to be an NAIA chat board.  I figured qualifying for the tournament would be considered successful.  You see these D1 mid-majors who qualify for the NCAA Tournament and their season's are considered a success.  Just curiousity really....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 09, 2007, 06:04:43 PM
The 4th place spot is up for grabs in the West.  Will it be CUA or SR?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 02:42:35 AM
To the person who tried to register from this region a few minutes ago with a fake e-mail address -- read the instructions. You won't get the approval e-mail if you use an address that bounces.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 10, 2007, 12:06:20 PM
Big game today - LETU vs. UT-Dallas. 

LETU coming off a tough win against a pesky UT-Tyler team.  LETU lost a key (freshman Will Smith) reserve this weekend to a knee injury and will probably be out the rest of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
McM 96, Schreiner 83; Final. (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/MBasketball/News/2006/21007mcmMBKB.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 10, 2007, 06:57:16 PM
ETBU gets UTT in double OT at home 85-83.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 10, 2007, 07:33:33 PM
Cowboys win in OT over the Bulldogs.  (I think the score was 70-66)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 10, 2007, 08:17:45 PM
LeTourneau keeps second place hopes alive with a hard fought win over UTD, 58-54.  Should the Jackets defeat Ozarks next Saturday and UTD loses one of their final two games against MC or LC, the Jackets will hold the second place position due to the tie breaker.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lcwildcatfan on February 11, 2007, 02:00:39 AM
Congratulations to LC for making the tournament this year!! They deserve it!! They will win their first game of the tournament.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2007, 05:41:11 PM
Hoopsville tonight: 5-8 p.m. CT. Guests include Mary Hardin-Baylor men's coach Ken DeWeese as we talk about teams on the playoff bubble.
http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 12, 2007, 11:18:29 AM
Another question for the point man!  McM plays UMHB Thursday night.  Right now, we're one game back of them.  A win would tie us for first place.  If we beat them by more than 11 points — the point spread of our first meeting — would that give us the tiebreaker?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 12, 2007, 11:47:43 AM
mcmfan, here is the tie breaker info from the ASC Website

9.1.1 Two-Way Ties: In the event of a two-way tie, the seed positions are determined by:
a. Record against each other.
b. Record against other Division opponents in descending order starting with the highest seeded team
c. Point-Run Differential between tied teams. If the tie remains, Point-Run Differential in descending order starting with the highest seeded team within the Division. There will be a maximum cap in designated sports used for each game in the Point-Run Differential:
Basketball: 10 points per game

So it basically looks like McMurry would need the Crusaders to also lose to HSU on Saturday to earn the #1 seed because MCM went 1-1 against HSU and UMHB won that first meeting with HSU.  After that, it would come down to the point differentials.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2007, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: gccfan on February 12, 2007, 11:47:43 AM
mcmfan, here is the tie breaker info from the ASC Website

9.1.1 Two-Way Ties: In the event of a two-way tie, the seed positions are determined by:
a. Record against each other.
b. Record against other Division opponents in descending order starting with the highest seeded team
c. Point-Run Differential between tied teams. If the tie remains, Point-Run Differential in descending order starting with the highest seeded team within the Division. There will be a maximum cap in designated sports used for each game in the Point-Run Differential:
Basketball: 10 points per game

So it basically looks like McMurry would need the Crusaders to also lose to HSU on Saturday to earn the #1 seed because MCM went 1-1 against HSU and UMHB won that first meeting with HSU.  After that, it would come down to the point differentials.


Good job gcc!  +1

We can neutralize the point-spread by beating them by 10 points.  The remainder of the tie-breaking criteria then go to inter-region contests.  McMurry has the won over LeTU and UT-D at that point.

Remember, that McMurry can earn ASC-West a co-championship by winning both.

In my book, that hangs a banner.  Practically speaking, we have to win the tourney to make the NCAA's.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 12, 2007, 01:01:23 PM
So for McM to win the conference, assuming we beat UMHB on Thursday, I have to root for our arch-rivals the Hardened Sinners to win on Saturday?!! What a thought!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 12, 2007, 01:40:14 PM
Ralph, I think you are right about McMurry needing to win the whole thing.  At this point, I think Mississippi College is in for sure unless they would lose 3 straight games or something unbelievable like that.  I think if UMHB can win at MCM and HSU plus their first round playoff game they are in.  If they lose to either McM or HSU then they need to make the championship and if they lose to both then they will have to win the whole thing. 

I just finished listening to Coach DeWeese on Hoopsville.  I thought he did a good job of promoting the entire conference and pointing out how even a school having a down year (aka Howard Payne) can still make it very difficult to defeat them and how all the school's have great athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 12, 2007, 04:53:18 PM
Quote from: lcwildcatfan on February 11, 2007, 02:00:39 AM
Congratulations to LC for making the tournament this year!! They deserve it!! They will win their first game of the tournament.  

A bold statement - but I wouldn't be horribly suprised if they did.  A team like that, if they get hot, they could win a couple of games. 

Also, congrats to LETU for a nice win against UT-D and clinching their first playoff apperance.  I don't think I will go as far as to say they are going to win their first tournament game, but I do think it should be a GREAT conference tournament up in MC!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2007, 06:29:04 PM
Congratulations to UMHB on their appearance in the Top 25!

I also encourage you to listen to the Hoopsville archive for Coach DeWeese's interview at the end of the first hour.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HPU75 on February 12, 2007, 06:39:37 PM
Also congrats to UMHB for cracking into the top 25!! I have not listened to Coach Deweese yet but I am pleased to hear that he talked up our entire conference--especially our HPU Yellow Jackets.  What a tough year for HPU.  I have seen 6-8 men's games this year and they have ALL been 5-8-10 POINT LOSSES.  Hardly any blowouts the whole year. We are not that far behind the top teams, although it certainly does not show in the record.  As an HPU grad with a UMHB daughter, I guess I will yell for the UMHB guys and my HPU girls against you Abilene people these next couple of weeks.  I guess I really look  and sound like a frontrunner!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 12, 2007, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2007, 06:29:04 PM
Congratulations to UMHB on their appearance in the Top 25!

I also encourage you to listen to the Hoopsville archive for Coach DeWeese's interview at the end of the first hour.
Congratulations to Coach DeWeese for entering the Top 25.  Its good to see two ASC teams ranked. Their new ranking will add a little something to what will be the biggest game in the ASC this year when they visit McMurry. UMHB has won 16 straight and McMurry ten. The Crusaders will have to play like a Top 25 team to get wins at McMurry and HSU, that's a tough road trip.

Also, very good interview on Hoopsville.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 12, 2007, 10:42:14 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 12, 2007, 01:01:23 PM
So for McM to win the conference, assuming we beat UMHB on Thursday, I have to root for our arch-rivals the Hardened Sinners to win on Saturday?!! What a thought!

Hey!

We need all the help we can get.  Thank you... ;D

HSU'er!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 13, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
CUAFan, I was wondering if there was any news on Valentino Maxwell being available to play in the tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 13, 2007, 02:24:50 PM
I was looking over the results for each team this year and narrowed down the results to just games decided by 5 points or less and this is what I found.

LeTourneau (7-1)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (3-1)

Sul Ross State (3-1)
Louisiana College (2-2)
Mississippi College (2-2)

Schreiner (2-2)
East Texas Baptist (4-5)
Hardin-Simmons (3-4)
Ozarks (3-4)
Concordia (2-3)
McMurry (2-3)

UT-Tyler (2-4)
UT-Dallas (1-2)
Texas Lutheran (1-4)
Howard Payne (1-4)

Playoff teams are in bold.  Not sure what this proves other than a team like LeTourneau might be able to surprise the conference powers in the playoffs because they are used to playing and winning close games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2007, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 13, 2007, 02:24:50 PM
I was looking over the results for each team this year and narrowed down the results to just games decided by 5 points or less and this is what I found.

LeTourneau (7-1)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (3-1)

Sul Ross State (3-1)
Louisiana College (2-2)
Mississippi College (2-2)

Schreiner (2-2)
East Texas Baptist (4-5)
Hardin-Simmons (3-4)
Ozarks (3-4)
Concordia (2-3)
McMurry (2-3)

UT-Tyler (2-4)
UT-Dallas (1-2)
Texas Lutheran (1-4)
Howard Payne (1-4)

Playoff teams are in bold.  Not sure what this proves other than a team like LeTourneau might be able to surprise the conference powers in the playoffs because they are used to playing and winning close games.


I don't know if there is a correlation to college basketball, but the research from the Society of American Baseball Research says that the outcomes in one-run games are due to luck.  That seems to be a reasonable explanation to me.  LeTU has been on a roll! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on February 13, 2007, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 13, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
CUAFan, I was wondering if there was any news on Valentino Maxwell being available to play in the tournament?
Maxwell is finished for the year. He said he would start rehab in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 13, 2007, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: imad3fanatic on February 13, 2007, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 13, 2007, 12:05:07 PM
CUAFan, I was wondering if there was any news on Valentino Maxwell being available to play in the tournament?
Maxwell is finished for the year. He said he would start rehab in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for the update
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 13, 2007, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: gccfan on February 13, 2007, 02:24:50 PM
I was looking over the results for each team this year and narrowed down the results to just games decided by 5 points or less and this is what I found.

LeTourneau (7-1)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (3-1)

Sul Ross State (3-1)
Louisiana College (2-2)
Mississippi College (2-2)

Schreiner (2-2)
East Texas Baptist (4-5)
Hardin-Simmons (3-4)
Ozarks (3-4)
Concordia (2-3)
McMurry (2-3)

UT-Tyler (2-4)
UT-Dallas (1-2)
Texas Lutheran (1-4)
Howard Payne (1-4)

Playoff teams are in bold.  Not sure what this proves other than a team like LeTourneau might be able to surprise the conference powers in the playoffs because they are used to playing and winning close games.


The frustrating part of this thing is that there have been about three or four times LETU has had a double digit lead and then had to hold on down the wire.  Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good!

Does someone have the link to a blank bracket for this year's tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 14, 2007, 09:35:26 PM
LeTourneau University down 1 to #21 Jarvis Christian at the Half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 14, 2007, 10:28:21 PM
#21 Jarvis Christin - 95
LETU - 81

JC and LETU split season series with both teams winning their home games. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2007, 11:55:34 PM
I examine the impact on NCAA playoff possibilities if the ASC were to split into 2 conferences, what it would take and some of the possible outcomes.  Two Distinct Conferences (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=1526.2145)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 15, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
Ralph, Great job laying out what would need to happen and what could have been.  I know Coach Deweese at UMHB touched on this in his interview, but I don't know if I see this happening even though I think it would be a good thing.  All of a sudden we would have a number of extra schools we could play out of conference and it would give us an extra bid every year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 15, 2007, 01:47:10 PM
I was just looking at some stats and I think congratulations should go out to Joel McDonald from Concordia, by my figures he now has 1,001 points in his two year career.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 15, 2007, 11:30:44 PM
What a great night of basketball in the ASC with the top two teams from each division playing. First the 7th-ranked Choctaws beat UT-Dallas 70-67 in a game they actually trailed 66-64 with two minutes left. Then I listen to the end of the UMHB/McMurry game where McMurry knocks off the 23rd-ranked Crusaders in overtime. Next week's tournament should be a lot of fun.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2007, 12:01:49 AM
While it is nice for McM to be sharing first place with UMHB after the win tonight, my impression is that it has no practical consequence since UMHB has the point spread over McM in their two matches and so will still have the first seed in the West for the tournament just as they would if McM had lost.  The only way things would be different would be if UMHB lost on Saturday to HSU.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 12:16:21 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 16, 2007, 12:01:49 AM
While it is nice for McM to be sharing first place with UMHB after the win tonight, my impression is that it has no practical consequence since UMHB has the point spread over McM in their two matches and so will still have the first seed in the West for the tournament just as they would if McM had lost.  The only way things would be different would be if UMHB lost on Saturday to HSU.  Is that correct?

Yes.

I do like the chance to earn an ASC-West co-championship!  And CUA is going to the Tourney themselves.  They have something to prove, especially after the showing at HSU tonight, a 99-71 loss.  HSU is trying to get into Tourney shape as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 16, 2007, 08:19:57 AM
I believe our McM team is showing what it is capable of.  Holmes has them playing for a good run in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on February 16, 2007, 08:45:54 AM
Video Highlights from last nights game.  These are all shot in the last two minutes and OT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HmtSPXjEaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HmtSPXjEaM)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 09:04:09 AM
Quote from: mhb8904 on February 16, 2007, 08:45:54 AM
Video Highlights from last nights game.  These are all shot in the last two minutes and OT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HmtSPXjEaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HmtSPXjEaM)

Whooaaa!  That was intense!

Thanks for posting.

Ryan Burgart is big!

The McMurry announcers wondered if the UMHB guys were not shaving because of the win-streak.   :)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 16, 2007, 09:45:28 AM
Big win for McMurry last night. I noticed that UMHB leading scorer Kevin Guyden fouled out with 2:51 to play and the Crusaders up by five. Tough break for UMHB. Looks like they went downhill from there.

That win by McMurry assures that we will only have one NCAA tournament team unless someone knocks off MC in the tourney. I thought UMHB would be a lock if they could have won this week and picked up one more win in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 16, 2007, 11:38:27 AM
Looks like there were a couple of great games last night.  Next weekend should be super.  I can't wait to watch all the games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2007, 03:57:39 PM
Anybody figured out the possible seeding for the men at next week's tournament?  I'm guessing McM as 2nd seed from the west may actually have to play MC sooner than if they were the 3rd seed.  Maybe we should have lost last night... :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 16, 2007, 03:57:39 PM
Anybody figured out the possible seeding for the men at next week's tournament?  I'm guessing McM as 2nd seed from the west may actually have to play MC sooner than if they were the 3rd seed.  Maybe we should have lost last night... :P
Actually, we can be ASC-West Co-Champs if we win on Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2007, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 04:42:39 PM
Actually, we can be ASC-West Co-Champs if we win on Saturday!
Yes, but we can't both play in the same seed.  I'm thinking UMHB gets seeded first since they have the point spread over us.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 05:44:27 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 16, 2007, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2007, 04:42:39 PM
Actually, we can be ASC-West Co-Champs if we win on Saturday!
Yes, but we can't both play in the same seed.  I'm thinking UMHB gets seeded first since they have the point spread over us.
Unless they lose to HSU, they have the better record against the 3rd place team, HSU.

If HSU beats them, then we have first place by virtue of the better division record.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 16, 2007, 07:06:44 PM
From the better late than never department: :-[

I went to the MC at UTD game last night.  I saw UTD a few weeks ago, and I wanted to see the number seven team.  MC is the  real deal.  Their one flaw seems to be that they don't move well without the ball.  They more than make up for it by great passing in quickness, accuracy, and number of passes.  The defense on the last play of the game by UTD with eleven seconds left was flawless.  The three point shooting ability of UTD kept them in the game.

Highlights:

At 11:31 in the first half and the score tied at 11-11,  I heard a loud slapping sound.  The next thing I knew UTD was at the foul line about to a shoot technical foul free throw.  Then the MC couch went out on the court and into the face of the ref (all three were short guys).  He was ejected and a cop was out quickly  tugging at his coattails.  He eventually left with the cop still at hand.  Carrothers then hit three FTs followed it with a three on the inbounds play to make it 17-11.  This didn't seem to have any effect on the momentum of the game.  MC led 35-33 at the half.

Half time activities were highlighted by a frozen tee-shirt contest (G rated).  After the game I had to go out in the 27 degree weather and walk a half mile to my car.  More than just my tee-shirt was frozen. :P

MC got to 51-41, but UTD got the lead at 66-64 at 1:55. At 68-67 MC, UTD missed a three. MC scored to set up the last shot attempt by UTD.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 17, 2007, 06:03:45 PM
Thanks MC for the win @ UTD.  IF LETU wins today, they finish 2nd in the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 17, 2007, 09:10:14 PM
Congratulations to everyone who made the tournament this season. I would have to say that it is the deepest field the ASC has ever had, everyone is capable of winning. Here is a link to the website I set up for the men's tournament. There are still a few links I have to finish but it is pretty much done.
http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 17, 2007, 09:13:22 PM
Thanks, Crhis...for the bracket...

It shapes up to be an exciting playoff.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 17, 2007, 09:25:07 PM
Thanks Chris!

Exciting time here at LETU!  First time in the playoffs and we even have a #2 seed.  Regardless of how the season ends, LETU has had a wonderful season!

Player of The Year
DJ Jones - MC
Coach of The Year
Bob Davis - LETU
Defensive POY
Timothy Broomfield - MC
Freshman of the Year
Jordan Eppnik - UTD
Newcomer
Jayme Bradley - LETU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 18, 2007, 01:06:08 AM
Friday, February 23 (Quarterfinals)
Game 1: Mary Hardin-Baylor (1W, 21-4) vs. Louisiana College (4E, 8-16), 12:00
Game 2: LeTourneau (2E, 15-9) vs. Hardin-Simmons (3W, 14-11), 2:00
Game 3: McMurry (2W, 19-6) vs. Texas-Dallas (3E, 18-7), 5:00
Game 4: Mississippi College (1E, 22-2) vs. Concordia-Austin (4W, 10-15), 7:00

Saturday, February 23 (Semifinals)
Game 5: Winner Game 1 vs. Winner Game 2, 2:00
Game 6: Winner Game 3 vs. Winner Game 4, 4:00

Sunday, February 4 (Championship)
Game 6: Winner Game 3 vs. Winner Game 4, 4:00
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 18, 2007, 03:26:35 PM
It's time to dance, people! ;D

Good luck to all...but more to Concordia. :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 18, 2007, 03:40:47 PM
I was just looking over the south region standings and the ASC has six of the top 16 teams. No other conference has more than three teams among the top 16 with the ODAC and SCAC each with three.
MC (1st): 20-1
UMHB (6th): 21-4
McMurry (7th): 18-4
UT-Dallas (12th): 16-7
LeTourneau (13th): 14-8
HSU (16th): 14-11

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 10:26:26 PM
Coaches and AD's are beginning look at their 2007-08 schedules.  When the coaches meet, I hope that they will cut the mandatory number of inter-divisional games to 4-6 (18 total ASC games) to allow the schools to schedule someSouth Region opponents for the sake of boosting our QOWI.

We beat ourselves up when we should be adding 3-4 games against teams in other conferences that we can beat and get QOWI points.

I also hope that the coaches will vote to only count in-region games towards the division standings. Keep the inter-divisional games, because they help with the NCAA Criteria, but I believe that a coach should have about 10 games to put his team together.  Going 1-6 against the East or 1-7 against the West will knock you out of contention and how do you keep your players in it.  Also, it is not equitable to catch Miss Coll on the road and your opponent caught them at home at the end of a long road trip.  The South Region aspect is good, but let's cut the division counting games to the double round-robin.  (I am scared to think what chaos we would have had if McMurry and Ozarks men had not been allowed to reschedule that game.)

IMHO, we had only 2 noteworthy games from the national perspective.  No other game earned us any repsect nationally.

Mississippi College beat a very good NAIA-1 team Westmont.  That may be the only NAIA team that can do that because the Calvin's and the Hope's get no repsect for beating the Michigan NAIA's.

The second game was UMHB over defending champion and fellow South Region Member Virginia Wesleyan.  Thanks to UMHB for bringing them her and thanks for HSU for joining in.

I will recommend that schools consider playing as many D3 Soouth Region schools as possible.  (I can understand geography, and a Wylie-ETBU game once or a D1 money game.)  For the sake of the conference the only opponents that d3 cares about are these.  Here are the teams that count for the 12 Texas schools:

South Region:

Austin Kangaroos  SCAC  Sherman, TX 
Averett Cougars  USAC  Danville, VA 
Bridgewater (Va.) Eagles  ODAC  Bridgewater, VA 
Centre Colonels  SCAC  Danville, KY 
Christopher Newport Captains  USAC  Newport News, VA 
Concordia-Austin Tornados  ASC  Austin, TX 
DePauw Tigers  SCAC  Greencastle, IN 
East Texas Baptist Tigers  ASC  Marshall, TX 
Eastern Mennonite Royals  ODAC  Harrisonburg, VA 
Emory Eagles  UAA  Atlanta, GA 
Emory and Henry Wasps  ODAC  Emory, VA 
Ferrum Panthers  USAC  Ferrum, VA 
Fisk Bulldogs  IND  Nashville, TN 
Greensboro Pride  USAC  Greensboro, NC 
Guilford Quakers  ODAC  Greensboro, NC 
Hampden-Sydney Tigers  ODAC  Hampden-Sydney, VA 
Hardin-Simmons Cowboys/Cowgirls  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Hendrix Warriors  SCAC  Conway, AR 
Howard Payne Yellow Jackets  ASC  Brownwood, TX 
Huntingdon Hawks  GSAC  Montgomery, AL 
LaGrange Panthers  GSAC  LaGrange, GA 
LeTourneau Yellow Jackets  ASC  Longview, TX 
Louisiana College Wildcats  ASC  Pineville, LA 
Lynchburg Hornets  ODAC  Lynchburg, VA 
Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders  ASC  Belton, TX 
Maryville (Tenn.) Scots  GSAC  Maryville, TN 
McMurry Indians  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Methodist Monarchs  USAC  Fayetteville, NC 
Millsaps Majors  SCAC  Jackson, MS 
Mississippi College Choctaws  ASC  Clinton, MS 
North Carolina Wesleyan Bishops  USAC  Rocky Mount, NC 
Oglethorpe Petrels  SCAC  Atlanta, GA 
Piedmont Lions  GSAC  Demorest, GA 
Randolph-Macon Yellow Jackets  ODAC  Ashland, VA 
Rhodes Lynx  SCAC  Memphis, TN 
Roanoke Maroons  ODAC  Salem, VA 
Rust Bearcats  IND  Holly Springs, MS 
Schreiner Mountaineers  ASC  Kerrville, TX 
Sewanee Tigers  SCAC  Sewanee, TN 
Shenandoah Hornets  USAC  Winchester, VA 
Southwestern Pirates  SCAC  Georgetown, TX 
Sul Ross State Lobos  ASC  Alpine, TX 
Texas Lutheran Bulldogs  ASC  Seguin, TX 
Texas-Dallas Comets  ASC  Richardson, TX 
Texas-Tyler Patriots *  ASC  Tyler, TX 
Trinity (Texas) Tigers  SCAC  San Antonio, TX 
University of Dallas Crusaders  IND  Dallas, TX 
University of the Ozarks Eagles  ASC  Clarksville, AR 
Virginia Wesleyan Marlins  ODAC  Norfolk, VA 
Washington and Lee Generals  ODAC  Lexington, VA 


Geographic Region #4 (Midwest Region schools)  Schools in Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky are not in Geographic Region #4 and do not count for Texas Schools.

Anderson Ravens  HCAC  Anderson, IN  
Augustana Vikings  CCIW  Rock Island, IL 
Aurora Spartans  NATHC  Aurora, IL 
Beloit Buccaneers  MWC  Beloit, WI 
Benedictine Eagles  NATHC  Lisle, IL 
Blackburn Beavers  SLIAC  Carlinville, IL 
Bluffton Beavers  HCAC  Bluffton, OH  
Carroll Pioneers  MWC  Waukesha, WI 
Carthage Red Men/Lady Reds  CCIW  Kenosha, WI 
Chicago Maroons  UAA  Chicago, IL 
Clarke Crusaders  IND  Dubuque, IA  (Going NAIA in 2007-08)
Concordia (Ill.) Cougars  NATHC  River Forest, IL 
Concordia (Wis.) Falcons  NATHC  Mequon, WI 
Defiance Yellow Jackets  HCAC  Defiance, OH 
Dominican Stars  NATHC  River Forest, IL 
Edgewood Eagles  NATHC  Madison, WI 
Elmhurst Bluejays  CCIW  Elmhurst, IL 
Eureka Red Devils  SLIAC  Eureka, IL 
Fontbonne Griffins  SLIAC  St. Louis, MO 
Franklin Grizzlies  HCAC  Franklin, IN  
Greenville Panthers  SLIAC  Greenville, IL 
Grinnell Pioneers  MWC  Grinnell, IA 
Hanover Panthers  HCAC  Hanover, IN  
Illinois College Blue Boys/Lady Blues  MWC  Jacksonville, IL 
Illinois Wesleyan Titans  CCIW  Bloomington, IL 
Knox Prairie Fire  MWC  Galesburg, IL 
Lake Forest Foresters  MWC  Lake Forest, IL 
Lakeland Muskies  NATHC  Sheboygan, WI 
Lawrence Vikings  MWC  Appleton, WI 
Lincoln Christian Preachers/Angels *  SLIAC  Lincoln, IL 
MacMurray Highlanders  SLIAC  Jacksonville, IL 
Manchester Spartans  HCAC  North Manchester, IN 
Maranatha Baptist Crusaders  NATHC  Watertown, WI 
Marian Sabres  NATHC  Fond du Lac, WI 
Maryville (Mo.) Saints  SLIAC  Saint Louis, MO 
Millikin Big Blue  CCIW  Decatur, IL 
Milwaukee Engineering Raiders  IND  Milwaukee, WI 
Monmouth Scots  MWC  Monmouth, IL 
Mt. St. Joseph Lions  HCAC  Cincinnati, OH 
North Central Cardinals  CCIW  Naperville, IL 
North Park Vikings  CCIW  Chicago, IL 
Principia Panthers  SLIAC  Elsah, IL 
Ripon Red Hawks  MWC  Ripon, WI 
Rockford Regents  NATHC  Rockford, IL 
Rose-Hulman Engineers  HCAC  Terre Haute, IN 
St. Norbert Green Knights  MWC  De Pere, WI 
Transylvania Pioneers  HCAC  Lexington, KY 
Washington U. Bears  UAA  Saint Louis, MO 
Webster Gorloks  SLIAC  St. Louis, MO 
Westminster (Mo.) Blue Jays  SLIAC  Fulton, MO 
Wheaton (Ill.) Thunder  CCIW  Wheaton, IL 
Wisconsin Lutheran Warriors  NATHC  Milwaukee, WI

Geographic Region #4 (West Region)

Augsburg Auggies  MIAC  Minneapolis, MN 
Bethany Lutheran Vikings *  UMAC  Mankato, MN 
Bethel Royals  MIAC  Arden Hills, MN 
Buena Vista Beavers  IIAC  Storm Lake, IA 
Cal Lutheran Kingsmen/Regals  SCIAC  Thousand Oaks, CA 
Caltech Beavers  SCIAC  Pasadena, CA 
Carleton Knights  MIAC  Northfield, MN 
Central Dutch  IIAC  Pella, IA 
Chapman Panthers  IND  Orange, CA 
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Stags  SCIAC  Claremont, CA 
Coe Kohawks  IIAC  Cedar Rapids, IA 
Colorado College Tigers  IND  Colorado Springs, CO 
Concordia-Moorhead Cobbers  MIAC  Moorhead, MN 
Cornell Rams  IIAC  Mount Vernon, IA 
Crown Storm *  UMAC  St. Bonifacius, MN 
Dubuque Spartans  IIAC  Dubuque, IA 
George Fox Bruins  NWC  Newberg, OR 
Gustavus Adolphus Gusties  MIAC  St. Peter, MN 
Hamline Pipers  MIAC  St. Paul, MN 
La Sierra Golden Eagles *  IND  Riverside, CA 
La Verne Leopards  SCIAC  La Verne, CA 
Lewis and Clark Pioneers  NWC  Portland, OR 
Linfield Wildcats  NWC  McMinnville, OR 
Loras Duhawks  IIAC  Dubuque, IA 
Luther Norse  IIAC  Decorah, IA 
Macalester Scots  MIAC  St. Paul, MN 
Martin Luther Knights  UMAC  New Ulm, MN 
Minnesota-Morris Cougars *  UMAC  Morris, MN 
Nebraska Wesleyan Prairie Wolves  IND  Lincoln, NE 
North Central (Minn.) Rams *  IND  Minneapolis, MN 
Northland Jacks  UMAC  Ashland, WI 
Northwestern (Minn.) Eagles *  UMAC  St. Paul, MN 
Occidental Tigers  SCIAC  Los Angeles, CA 
Pacific Boxers  NWC  Forest Grove, OR 
Pacific Lutheran Lutes  NWC  Tacoma, WA 
Pomona-Pitzer Sagehens  SCIAC  Claremont, CA 
Presentation Saints *  UMAC  Aberdeen, SD 
Puget Sound Loggers  NWC  Tacoma, WA 
Redlands Bulldogs  SCIAC  Redlands, CA 
Simpson Storm  IIAC  Indianola, IA 
St. John's Johnnies  MIAC  Collegeville, MN 
St. Mary's (Minn.) Cardinals  MIAC  Winona, MN 
St. Olaf Oles  MIAC  Northfield, MN 
St. Scholastica Saints  UMAC  Duluth, MN 
St. Thomas Tommies  MIAC  St. Paul, MN 
UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs  IND  Santa Cruz, CA 
UW-Eau Claire Blugolds  WIAC  Eau Claire, WI 
UW-La Crosse Eagles  WIAC  La Crosse, WI 
UW-Oshkosh Titans  WIAC  Oshkosh, WI 
UW-Platteville Pioneers  WIAC  Platteville, WI 
UW-River Falls Falcons  WIAC  River Falls, WI 
UW-Stevens Point Pointers  WIAC  Stevens Point, WI 
UW-Stout Blue Devils  WIAC  Menomonie, WI 
UW-Superior Yellow Jackets  WIAC  Superior, WI 
UW-Whitewater Warhawks  WIAC  Whitewater, WI 
Wartburg Knights  IIAC  Waverly, IA 
Whitman Missionaries  NWC  Walla Walla, WA 
Whittier Poets  SCIAC  Whittier, CA 
Whitworth Pirates  NWC  Spokane, WA 
Willamette Bearcats  NWC  Salem, OR 

Be sure to confirm whether a school is a 3rd or 4th year provisional.

If you want a D3 school not on this list, then it won't count towards the QOWI.

(I am not trying to tell you how to do your coaching, but we cannot be leaving opportunities "on the table".  I am happy to put this out there for your to copy and print.  I will tell Coach Holmes the same thing, but he already has heard me ranting!   ;)    ;) )

Louisiana, Arkansas and Mississippi D3 in-region opponents to follow.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2007, 10:34:35 PM
In region opponents for MS, AR and LA.

South Region Opponents:

Austin Kangaroos  SCAC  Sherman, TX 
Averett Cougars  USAC  Danville, VA 
Bridgewater (Va.) Eagles  ODAC  Bridgewater, VA 
Centre Colonels  SCAC  Danville, KY 
Christopher Newport Captains  USAC  Newport News, VA 
Concordia-Austin Tornados  ASC  Austin, TX 
DePauw Tigers  SCAC  Greencastle, IN 
East Texas Baptist Tigers  ASC  Marshall, TX 
Eastern Mennonite Royals  ODAC  Harrisonburg, VA 
Emory Eagles  UAA  Atlanta, GA 
Emory and Henry Wasps  ODAC  Emory, VA 
Ferrum Panthers  USAC  Ferrum, VA 
Fisk Bulldogs  IND  Nashville, TN 
Greensboro Pride  USAC  Greensboro, NC 
Guilford Quakers  ODAC  Greensboro, NC 
Hampden-Sydney Tigers  ODAC  Hampden-Sydney, VA 
Hardin-Simmons Cowboys/Cowgirls  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Hendrix Warriors  SCAC  Conway, AR 
Howard Payne Yellow Jackets  ASC  Brownwood, TX 
Huntingdon Hawks  GSAC  Montgomery, AL 
LaGrange Panthers  GSAC  LaGrange, GA 
LeTourneau Yellow Jackets  ASC  Longview, TX 
Louisiana College Wildcats  ASC  Pineville, LA 
Lynchburg Hornets  ODAC  Lynchburg, VA 
Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders  ASC  Belton, TX 
Maryville (Tenn.) Scots  GSAC  Maryville, TN 
McMurry Indians  ASC  Abilene, TX 
Methodist Monarchs  USAC  Fayetteville, NC 
Millsaps Majors  SCAC  Jackson, MS 
Mississippi College Choctaws  ASC  Clinton, MS 
North Carolina Wesleyan Bishops  USAC  Rocky Mount, NC 
Oglethorpe Petrels  SCAC  Atlanta, GA 
Piedmont Lions  GSAC  Demorest, GA 
Randolph-Macon Yellow Jackets  ODAC  Ashland, VA 
Rhodes Lynx  SCAC  Memphis, TN 
Roanoke Maroons  ODAC  Salem, VA 
Rust Bearcats  IND  Holly Springs, MS 
Schreiner Mountaineers  ASC  Kerrville, TX 
Sewanee Tigers  SCAC  Sewanee, TN 
Shenandoah Hornets  USAC  Winchester, VA 
Southwestern Pirates  SCAC  Georgetown, TX 
Sul Ross State Lobos  ASC  Alpine, TX 
Texas Lutheran Bulldogs  ASC  Seguin, TX 
Texas-Dallas Comets  ASC  Richardson, TX 
Texas-Tyler Patriots *  ASC  Tyler, TX 
Trinity (Texas) Tigers  SCAC  San Antonio, TX 
University of Dallas Crusaders  IND  Dallas, TX 
University of the Ozarks Eagles  ASC  Clarksville, AR 
Virginia Wesleyan Marlins  ODAC  Norfolk, VA 
Washington and Lee Generals  ODAC  Lexington, VA 


Geographic Region #3  Midwest Region opponents

Anderson Ravens  HCAC  Anderson, IN 

Bluffton Beavers  HCAC  Bluffton, OH 

Defiance Yellow Jackets  HCAC  Defiance, OH 

Franklin Grizzlies  HCAC  Franklin, IN 

Hanover Panthers  HCAC  Hanover, IN 

Manchester Spartans  HCAC  North Manchester, IN 

Mt. St. Joseph Lions  HCAC  Cincinnati, OH 

Rose-Hulman Engineers  HCAC  Terre Haute, IN 

Transylvania Pioneers  HCAC  Lexington, KY 


Geographical Region #3 Great Lakes Opponents

Adrian Bulldogs  MIAA  Adrian, MI 
Albion Britons  MIAA  Albion, MI 

Alma Scots  MIAA  Alma, MI 
Baldwin-Wallace Yellow Jackets  OAC  Berea, OH 
Bethany Bison  PrAC  Bethany, WV 
Calvin Knights  MIAA  Grand Rapids, MI 
Capital Crusaders  OAC  Columbus, OH 

Case Western Reserve Spartans  UAA  Cleveland, OH 
Denison Big Red  NCAC  Granville, OH 
Earlham Quakers  NCAC  Richmond, IN 
Finlandia Lions *  IND  Hancock, MI 
 
Heidelberg Student Princes  OAC  Tiffin, OH 
Hiram Terriers  NCAC  Hiram, OH 
Hope Flying Dutchmen  MIAA  Holland, MI 
John Carroll Blue Streaks  OAC  University Heights, OH 
Kalamazoo Hornets  MIAA  Kalamazoo, MI 
Kenyon Lords  NCAC  Gambier, OH 
Lake Erie Storm  AMCC  Painesville, OH 
Marietta Pioneers  OAC  Marietta, OH 
Mount Union Purple Raiders  OAC  Alliance, OH 
Muskingum Muskies  OAC  New Concord, OH 
Oberlin Yeomen  NCAC  Oberlin, OH 
Ohio Northern Polar Bears  OAC  Ada, OH 
Ohio Wesleyan Battling Bishops  NCAC  Delaware, OH 
Olivet Comets  MIAA  Olivet, MI 
Otterbein Cardinals  OAC  Westerville, OH 

Thomas More Saints  PrAC  Crestview Hills, KY 
Tri-State Thunder   MIAA  Angola, IN 
Wabash Little Giants  NCAC  Crawfordsville, IN 

Wilmington Quakers  OAC  Wilmington, OH 
Wittenberg Tigers  NCAC  Springfield, OH 
Wooster Scots  NCAC  Wooster, OH 

Geographical Region #3 Mid-Atlantic Opponents

Mary Washington Eagles  CAC  Fredericksburg, VA 
Marymount Saints  CAC  Arlington, VA 



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 19, 2007, 12:18:17 AM
Thanks Ralph, I've been telling my coaches the same thing.  They listened to what Coach DeWeese had to say about playing some regional teams so I'm hoping we can get a few scheduled next year instead of playing Jarvis Christian even though they are ranked in the top 25 in NAIA, it doesn't really help at all.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 12:43:32 AM
Quote from: gccfan on February 19, 2007, 12:18:17 AM
Thanks Ralph, I've been telling my coaches the same thing.  They listened to what Coach DeWeese had to say about playing some regional teams so I'm hoping we can get a few scheduled next year instead of playing Jarvis Christian even though they are ranked in the top 25 in NAIA, it doesn't really help at all.

Huntingdon needs games!  Invite Huntingdon and LaGrange to play ETBU and LeTU!  Alternate years home and away.

Go to Montgomery for a Tourney with LaGrange.  I love history and so a trip thru Selma on to Montgomery would be interesting.  There are five different museums in Selma (50 miles west of Montgomery) and Montgomery has the Rosa Parks Museum, the Hank Williams Sr Museum (altho' I don't think that I have heard Hank Williams used as warm-up music in decades), the Alabama Capitol, the Martin Luther King Dexter Avenue Memorial Church Parsonage, the First White House of the Confederacy, the F Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald Museum, etc.   :)

Playing Jarvis Christian may be fun and cheap, but it helps absolutely no one.  If it is the annual Lions Club or YMCA fund raiser and it puts 1500 fans into the gym, that is one thing.  That is a mission and vision thing for community outreach.  It does nothing for the basketball program in the NCAA, tho'.   :)

UDallas is probably losing Colorado College as a (Geographical Region #4) independent game next year (and Johnson and Wales Colorado, too).

Good luck... :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 19, 2007, 01:19:20 AM
Ralph,
   Let's say the coaches decide to free up more out of conference games next year giving McMurry seven dates and MC eight and you are in charge of scheduling. Who would you try to schedule for each team? Just curious who you would like to see each team play to best help the QOWI and improve the national/regional perception of the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2007, 02:02:47 AM
Quote from: gccfan on February 19, 2007, 12:18:17 AM
Thanks Ralph, I've been telling my coaches the same thing.  They listened to what Coach DeWeese had to say about playing some regional teams so I'm hoping we can get a few scheduled next year instead of playing Jarvis Christian even though they are ranked in the top 25 in NAIA, it doesn't really help at all.

At least they listened to him. They apparently didn't listen to me when the conference invited me to speak on the subject a couple years ago. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 08:26:37 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 19, 2007, 01:19:20 AM
Ralph,
   Let's say the coaches decide to free up more out of conference games next year giving McMurry seven dates and MC eight and you are in charge of scheduling. Who would you try to schedule for each team? Just curious who you would like to see each team play to best help the QOWI and improve the national/regional perception of the ASC.

Good Morning Chris.  I think that the Chocs (with LaCollege as "co-host" or the other side of the bracket in a classic format) should pull exclusively from that list for the "Farm Bureau" Classic.  (I think that LaCollege and MissCollege should do this almost every year.  I am sure that your travel budget and schedule doesn't always anticipate your driving into downtown Alpine from the west!   ;) )

I would like to see Maryville TN and the Chocs play, in a tourney on a neutral floor, e.g., at a Huntingdon or a Rhodes.

I think that Ozarks and Hendrix have possibilities together or Ozarks and Rhodes.

I don't think this has been an issue of "will" or "mindset".  I see this as an issue of only 25 games and only certain weekends available.

The other GSAC schools need games...Hutingdon, LaGrange and Piedmont.

I see opportunities for ETBU and LeTU to partner for tourney games, and UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas to work together.

UMHB make big noise and benefitted from their "14 QOWI point" win over VWC and their "12 QOWI point" win over Ripon.

I am not precluding teams scheduling a 19th or a 20th or a 21st game with an interdivisional opponent.  Having the dates on the schedule to do it does make these inter-regional games possible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 08:40:13 AM
Chris, I also think that a good strategy is to take a team to other regions of the country to play D3's that may not count for or against you in the Regional rankings.

If you aren't certain what your team can do, but want to try to make noise,  then go out-of-region.  McMurry went to Johns Hopkins.  If they had beaten Rowan (currently tied for 2nd in the NJAC) they would have played Johns Hopkins in the Finals.  I think that Moreno's injury thru them off the radar screen the whole season (considering that they have not lost since his return), because you probably believe as I do that McMurry with Moreno does not lose by 5 to Rowan which loses to JHU the next night by 2.  That would have made Top 25 noise, but would not have helped with Tourney Selection.

The real benefit to the JHU tourney was that the McMurry players got to see Baltimore and to walk the Mall in Washington DC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
Because of proximity to good airports (Austin and San Antonio),  TLU, CUA and UMHB have the chance to host some national people. People can fly into Abilene, but my personal opinion and preference is for McMurry to fly to other parts of the country as an educational and recruiting tool.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 10:06:51 AM
Thanks to Coach matt Wallis for navigating UT-Tyler thru the provisional period.  That is a tough job, starting a team from scratch with no hope of the NCAA's.  He deserves a big round of internet applause!   :)

Good luck in your next endeavor!

That really changes the make-up on the east.  Where is UT-Tyler going with its new coach and his particular emphasis?

The question that is in the back of my mind is, "Does UT-Tyler want to move to D2 or D1-AA?"

Those are questions that the applicants will be asking about the job!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 19, 2007, 12:27:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 12:43:32 AM
Quote from: gccfan on February 19, 2007, 12:18:17 AM
Thanks Ralph, I've been telling my coaches the same thing.  They listened to what Coach DeWeese had to say about playing some regional teams so I'm hoping we can get a few scheduled next year instead of playing Jarvis Christian even though they are ranked in the top 25 in NAIA, it doesn't really help at all.

Playing Jarvis Christian may be fun and cheap, but it helps absolutely no one.  If it is the annual Lions Club or YMCA fund raiser and it puts 1500 fans into the gym, that is one thing.  That is a mission and vision thing for community outreach.  It does nothing for the basketball program in the NCAA, tho'.   :)


Good luck... :)

There's nothing good about playing Jarvis.  That game lacked intensity for the whole 40 minutes as both teams knew they had nothing to prove to one another.  Jarvis just received a #21 ranking in the national poll and had a key conference game that Saturday.  LETU was still fighting for 2nd place in the conference and this agme only allowed players who hadn't played much in the season see some playing time.

The one reason why I think LETU did schedule this game was b/c of the long layoff they had.  With Ozarks not having a travel partner, LETU would've gone a week without playing anyone before heading up to Conway.  It would be fun to see us play some other regional teams besides Austin College.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 19, 2007, 01:15:47 PM
Ralph, I love your idea of nearby teams helping each other out to do a tourney... another thing that might be a good idea is to do something like the Big Ten and ACC every year with their challenge games early on.  Every year something like that would help out the conference that was stronger with their regional rankings and each conference could do some publicity with it that would probably help out recruiting as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 09:15:05 PM
I interpret the Top 25 to show some respect for UMHB and the ASC.  They sustained an OT loss at McM and had a narrow victory over HSU and only dropped from #23 to #25.  Both of those teams (McM and HSU) are unranked.

I am not sure how many votes they might have lost, but the respect for tthe conference is still there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on February 19, 2007, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 09:15:05 PM
I interpret the Top 25 to show some respect for UMHB and the ASC.  They sustained an OT loss at McM and had a narrow victory over HSU and only dropped from #23 to #25.  Both of those teams (McM and HSU) are unranked.

I am not sure how many votes they might have lost, but the respect for tthe conference is still there.

UMHB lost 42 points, roughly half of what they had last week (82).  There was quite a lot of carnage below them (Johns Hopkins, Lake Erie, John Carroll, Carthage) that helped prop them up a bit IMHO. 

On the other end, however, Mississippi College gained 42 points, so it was a net wash for the conference.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on February 19, 2007, 10:01:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 09:15:05 PM
I interpret the Top 25 to show some respect for UMHB and the ASC.  They sustained an OT loss at McM and had a narrow victory over HSU and only dropped from #23 to #25.  Both of those teams (McM and HSU) are unranked.

I am not sure how many votes they might have lost, but the respect for tthe conference is still there.

UMHB lost 42 points, roughly half of what they had last week (82).  There was quite a lot of carnage below them (Johns Hopkins, Lake Erie, John Carroll, Carthage) that helped prop them up a bit IMHO. 

On the other end, however, Mississippi College gained 42 points, so it was a net wash for the conference.  :)

In the perfect Top 25, #23 earns 75 votes.  #25 earns 25 votes.  I think that UMHB did okay.  They were a strong #23, they are a stronger #25!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 20, 2007, 07:52:41 AM
Looking over the recent QOWI numbers that Pat Coleman posted, I think there is a great chance UMHB will make the NCAA Tournament even if they do not win the ASC tournament. The ASC had a good week to end the year with several of the bottom teams bumping up a spot so that their wins are worth an extra two points.

MC is now 8th nationally with a QOWI of 10.667 so they are in no matter what. If UMHB were to reach the championship game and lose to MC they would have a QOWI of 10 accumulating 280 points in their 28 games. Last year that would have put them right in the middle of the Pool C teams that were selected.

Here is the list of teams Pat posted earlier.

2006 Pool C Teams
Tufts    11.000    20-5 No. 3 NE
Gordon    10.560    22-3 No. 4 NE
Augustana    10.478    19-4 No. 2 MW
Cortland State    10.440    22-3 No. 2 E
York (Pa.)    10.400    22-3 No. 1 MA
Trinity (Texas)    10.316    16-3 No. 2 S
Carroll    10.087    19-4 No. 4 MW
Wooster    10.042    21-3 No. 1 GL
Carleton    10.000    18-5 No. 3 NE
Baruch    9.958    21-3 No. 1 NE
Illinois Wesleyan    9.952    15-6 No. 5 MW
Widener    9.920    20-5 No. 4 MA
UW-La Crosse    9.880    18-7 No. 6 W
UW-Stout    9.870    18-5 No. 1 W
Randolph-Macon    9.840    19-6 No. 4 S
Occidental    9.750    12-4 No. 4 W
Calvin    9.733    13-2 No. 2 GL
Utica    9.692    20-6 No. 4 E

Nine of the teams were over 10 and nine were under. Getting to the championship game should be enough for the Crusaders giving us two teams in the NCAA tourney. If they win one game and lose in the semi's they would have a QOWI of 9.81 placing them right on the bubble.

Of course, I am comparing them to pool C teams from last year and this year could be different. Hopefully, things will work out so that we can at least get two teams in the tournament. If McMurry wins the tournament or UMHB gets an at large, there is also a good chance the NCAA would not send them to MC due to the plane flight giving us a chance to have two teams advance without facing each other.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 20, 2007, 10:38:44 AM
I should have included McMurry as a potential Pool C team in the post above after looking over the numbers. Even though they currently have a QOWI of 9.636, that number could be as high as 9.96 with two ASC wins and loss in the title game. They could have 249 points in 25 regional games.

I can't remember a year when the ASC had three teams with legitimate chances to earn Pool C bids.

I think there is a scenario in which all three get in though it is a longshot. Should McMurry upset MC and UMHB also reach the finals, we would have three teams with QOWI's high enough to earn a bid.

Things would have to go perfectly, but the ASC could have one team earn the automatic bid and have two more teams with QOWI's over 10. Based on last season, that would have been good enough to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 20, 2007, 11:36:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
Because of proximity to good airports (Austin and San Antonio),  TLU, CUA and UMHB have the chance to host some national people. People can fly into Abilene, but my personal opinion and preference is for McMurry to fly to other parts of the country as an educational and recruiting tool.  :)

Maybe I'll bring that up with coach Bonewitz. Any suggestions for highly regarded opponents that (1) might come and (2) we'd stand a chance of beating?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 01:33:12 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 20, 2007, 11:36:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
Because of proximity to good airports (Austin and San Antonio),  TLU, CUA and UMHB have the chance to host some national people. People can fly into Abilene, but my personal opinion and preference is for McMurry to fly to other parts of the country as an educational and recruiting tool.  :)

Maybe I'll bring that up with coach Bonewitz. Any suggestions for highly regarded opponents that (1) might come and (2) we'd stand a chance of beating?

CUA fan, any (D3) "Concordia" schools from the western region are my first thoughts, and do it on a yearly rotational basis.  Are Concordia-Moorhead (MIAC), Concordia IL (NAthCon), Concordia-WI all in the same Concordia system?  Play it Classic style; TX and MN versus the NAthCon teams.

All matchups count as in-region!


 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 20, 2007, 03:35:28 PM
Here is an article on LETU head coach Bob Davis.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=1198
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 20, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
A little surprised about another coaching change in the ASC

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=1197

Sorry I don't know how to link stuff.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 05:37:25 PM
The good thing about UT-D's schedule (for those of us playing in the tourney) is that that they have an ASC record of 13-7, but they played Austin College, home-and-away, and UDallas.  Those extra 3 wins for UT-Dallas means that they are 16-7 (South Region).  Whomever beats them in the tourney will have a 15 point win (except home team Miss Coll).  UT-D's worst in-region record can only be 16-8 (.667)!

That is why the conference benefits from scheduling South Region D3 games.  (UT-D's wins over UT-Arlington and SWAG mean very, very little at this time of the year.)  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on February 20, 2007, 09:48:32 PM
Sorry to see Tom Oswald leave TLU and D3.  Coach Oswald is a good guy and he nearly turned the corner at TLU.  He had a couple of pretty good teams but they got a couple of tough breaks on the court and in recruiting.  Best of luck to him in the future. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: carlweathers on February 20, 2007, 09:48:32 PM
Sorry to see Tom Oswald leave TLU and D3.  Coach Oswald is a good guy and he nearly turned the corner at TLU.  He had a couple of pretty good teams but they got a couple of tough breaks on the court and in recruiting.  Best of luck to him in the future. 

Welcome Carl, and thanks for the kind words for Coach Oswald! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 01:02:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 01:33:12 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 20, 2007, 11:36:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
Because of proximity to good airports (Austin and San Antonio),  TLU, CUA and UMHB have the chance to host some national people. People can fly into Abilene, but my personal opinion and preference is for McMurry to fly to other parts of the country as an educational and recruiting tool.  :)

Maybe I'll bring that up with coach Bonewitz. Any suggestions for highly regarded opponents that (1) might come and (2) we'd stand a chance of beating?

CUA fan, any (D3) "Concordia" schools from the western region are my first thoughts, and do it on a yearly rotational basis.  Are Concordia-Moorhead (MIAC), Concordia IL (NAthCon), Concordia-WI all in the same Concordia system?  Play it Classic style; TX and MN versus the NAthCon teams.

All matchups count as in-region!

Yeah, we are, but to make it worth the trip for the others we'd probably have to guarantee two games each. Wouldn't be so hard to set up, play TX v. IL and MN v. WI, then let the winners and losers play each other the next day. Everyone gets two in-region games, and we could all rotate being the host site. Thanks Ralph!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 01:02:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2007, 01:33:12 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 20, 2007, 11:36:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2007, 08:44:29 AM
Because of proximity to good airports (Austin and San Antonio),  TLU, CUA and UMHB have the chance to host some national people. People can fly into Abilene, but my personal opinion and preference is for McMurry to fly to other parts of the country as an educational and recruiting tool.  :)

CUA, i was thinking that TX plays WI and IL and MN plays IL and WI.  I would hate for IL and WI to meet one another in the tourney, for the 3rd time in a season.  Or an acceptable 4th could be invited on individual years.

Maybe I'll bring that up with coach Bonewitz. Any suggestions for highly regarded opponents that (1) might come and (2) we'd stand a chance of beating?

CUA fan, any (D3) "Concordia" schools from the western region are my first thoughts, and do it on a yearly rotational basis.  Are Concordia-Moorhead (MIAC), Concordia IL (NAthCon), Concordia-WI all in the same Concordia system?  Play it Classic style; TX and MN versus the NAthCon teams.

All matchups count as in-region!

Yeah, we are, but to make it worth the trip for the others we'd probably have to guarantee two games each. Wouldn't be so hard to set up, play TX v. IL and MN v. WI, then let the winners and losers play each other the next day. Everyone gets two in-region games, and we could all rotate being the host site. Thanks Ralph!

Or schedule TX vs WI and IL, and MN vs IL and WI.  That way the NAthCon teams don't play one another a 3rd game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 03:27:26 PM
Thanks again, Ralph. Soon as the team gets back from Clinton I'll talk to Coach Bonewitz about this.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 03:56:09 PM
Congratulations to MC's Lacey Kennedy, and to UMHB's Kevin Guyden, Jostens nominees!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 03:27:26 PM
Thanks again, Ralph. Soon as the team gets back from Clinton I'll talk to Coach Bonewitz about this.
CUAFAN, I think that almost any attempt to get wins out of conference helps the conference.

Even beating a .400 (8-12) team on the road is worth 11 points by the QOWI.  That also makes the difference on winning percentage.

I don't know how the move to opponents' opponents' record impacts this next year, but I believe that CUA is better than more than half of the schools in the NCAA.  Please look on the Pool C board for the QOWI's of the Top 200 for a rough estimate of strength.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 04:59:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 03:56:09 PM
Congratulations to MC's Lacey Kennedy, and to UMHB's Kevin Guyden, Jostens nominees!  :)

Guyden was one of the smoothest players I had the pleasure of watching this season.

Will do, Ralph! ... Or, I would, if I could find the right page.....link please?  :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 07:06:49 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 04:59:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 03:56:09 PM
Congratulations to MC's Lacey Kennedy, and to UMHB's Kevin Guyden, Jostens nominees!  :)

Guyden was one of the smoothest players I had the pleasure of watching this season.

Will do, Ralph! ... Or, I would, if I could find the right page.....link please?  :P

Top 200 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.944)  Enjoy!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 21, 2007, 09:27:59 PM
Three ASC teams in this week's south region rankings. Hope there is a way for MC to win the tournament and all three teams still make the NCAA tournament.

South Region
1. Mississippi College 22-2 20-1
2. Va. Wesleyan 22-3 21-3
3. Guilford 21-3 20-3
4. DePauw 21-4 18-3
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-4 21-4
6. Maryville (Tenn.) 19-6 19-3
7. Centre 20-4 14-4
8. McMurry 19-6 18-4

MC has held the #1 spot in every regional ranking for the last three years, nine weeks in a row. I am not sure what the record is for that nor do I feel like researching it, but it is quite an accomplishment.

As a fan I'm really looking forward to this weekend, should be a great tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 03:56:09 PM
Congratulations to MC's Lacey Kennedy, and to UMHB's Kevin Guyden, Jostens nominees!  :)

Better yet, finalists. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on February 22, 2007, 09:09:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 07:06:49 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 21, 2007, 04:59:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 03:56:09 PM
Congratulations to MC's Lacey Kennedy, and to UMHB's Kevin Guyden, Jostens nominees!  :)

Guyden was one of the smoothest players I had the pleasure of watching this season.

Will do, Ralph! ... Or, I would, if I could find the right page.....link please?  :P

Top 200 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.944)  Enjoy!   :)
And here (http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2007/02/22/38716) is a link to the article about Guyden in the Temple Daily Telegram.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 22, 2007, 09:13:02 AM
What a great year from our beloved American Southwest Conference!  With National Powerhouses (MC & UMBC), to big wins (MC's Cali trip, UMHB's win against VW to UT-Dallas's win over UTA), it's been a lot of fun to watch this season.  I am hoping to make it up to the tournament on Saturday to catch a couple of games.  Hope everyone has their bracket filled out!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 22, 2007, 07:11:42 PM
Any last minute predictions on the tourney?  I had a dream that LeTourneau made it to the finals, but then no clear answer on the championship game.  Anyone else have any such dreams:)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 22, 2007, 09:42:56 PM
No such dreams here!  Sounds like either wishful thinking or a nightmare!

Cowboy Fan ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 22, 2007, 11:24:52 PM
dsc, I guess we'll find out soon enough, at least one of us will sleep well after the game.  I just hope the game is as exciting as it was the first time around
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 22, 2007, 11:35:42 PM
It was a good night for the ASC with Guilford losing in the first round of the ODAC tournament  to a Bridgewater team with a current regional record of 7-15. That knocks Guilford's QOWI from a 10.0 to a 9.625 and probably costs them an NCAA Tournament bid. It just goes to show that anything can happen in these postseason tournaments, Guilford had a great year and would probably beat Roanoke 9 times out of 10.

That loss also probably moves UMHB and McMurry ahead of the Quakers improving the ASC's chances of getting multiple teams in the NCAA Tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 22, 2007, 11:55:56 PM
Tonight's Guilford loss should give everyone an idea of how hard it is to get a Pool C bid and how close everyone is in Division III. Right now Guilford's loss drops their QOWI from 10.0 to 9.625 due to Bridgewater's 7-15 regional record. If Bridgewater can beat Roanoke tomorrow that would put them in the .333 -.500 winning percentage bracket and add six QOWI points for Guilford since they have faced each other three times.

One more win for Bridgewater tomorrow could raise Guilford's QOWI from 9.625 to 9.875.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 11:59:05 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 22, 2007, 11:55:56 PM
Tonight's Guilford loss should give everyone an idea of how hard it is to get a Pool C bid and how close everyone is in Division III. Right now Guilford's loss drops their QOWI from 10.0 to 9.625 due to Bridgewater's 7-15 regional record. If Bridgewater can beat Roanoke tomorrow that would put them in the .333 -.500 winning percentage bracket and add six QOWI points for Guilford since they have faced each other six times.

One more win for Bridgewater tomorrow could raise Guilford's QOWI from 9.625 to 9.875.

If Bridgewater wins tomorrow, they get their 8th win (8-15).  They cannot have an in-region percentage less than .333, even if they lose in the finals to go 8-16.

McM and UMHB really need Bridgewater to lose tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 09:12:16 AM
While we should be focusing in on the exciting tournament that's about to happen, I had to redirect my focus here of what has happened recently on the front page of D3Hoops. 

First off, can someone just briefly explain what happened with Pool B & Pool C Bids?  I've tried to read up on it as much as I can, but I really can't seem to understand what exactly and happened and if this will affect the ASC. 

Second, what is the issue with Hope and Carthage? 

By the way, Props to Chris Brooks for the excellent conference tournament website. http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 09:38:08 AM
Bearkat, the Handbook released last October stated that there were 37 Pool B bids.  By the calculations used to determine the number of Pool B bids, this told us that there would be 3 Pool B bids.

In the Daily Dose, down at the bottom, pabegg finally solves the issue.  He confirms that Finlandia, a provisional from the same class as UT-Tyler, was promoted a year and is truly a full member to make 38 teams.  This was a miscount that was not corrected in the text in the Handbook.  pabegg also detects that Southern Vermont was not removed from the list of the members in the Great Northeast Athletic Conference and listed as the Independents in the Northeast Region.  That makes the 39th team in Pool B.

The Hope-Carthage issue relates to the use of msn.mapoint.com's software (shortest distance) which uses the Muskegon-to-Milwaukee Ferry across Lake Michigan in its calcualtion to make that game a 200-mile radius in-region game!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 23, 2007, 10:20:46 AM
It would be great to see three ASC teams in the tourney this year, especially if they are put in seperate regionals that would mean they wouldn't have to meet until later on.  Let's hope Bridgewater's magical ride ends early.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 23, 2007, 11:52:17 AM
Mr. Brooks...Excellent Tournament page.  Thanks!

It was a thrill looking at the past ASC tournament records, I had forgotten how good that MC vs McM rivalry was...and still is.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 12:38:11 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 09:12:16 AM

http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp)

If you haven't checked, there will be live stat updates for those of you at work who can't get the joys out of listening to each game.  I assume each school will have their own radio broadcast.  dsc, if you need a link to the LETU-HSU game, let me know.  I know for sure that our guy is broadcasting it. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 23, 2007, 01:23:42 PM
I found the NBA's efficiency formula the other day and ran the numbers on the ASC teams. Following are the efficiency scores per game for the tourney teams, I guess we'll see if this means anything over the next few days. :P

MC 90.38 - highest in the conference
CUA 86.68
MCM 86.08
UMHB 85.36
HSU 83.08
UTD 82.44
LETU 71.88
LC 61.08 - also the lowest in the conference

The highest non-tourney team was HPU at 84.08.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: thejungle on February 23, 2007, 11:52:17 AM
Mr. Brooks...Excellent Tournament page.  Thanks!

It was a thrill looking at the past ASC tournament records, I had forgotten how good that MC vs McM rivalry was...and still is.

+1 Chris!!!  Great job.  There have truly been some exciting games in the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 23, 2007, 02:29:32 PM
LeTourneau will have live webcast today for their game against HSU.  All the LETU tournament games are available for 10 dollars total.  www.summitticket.com
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 02:50:38 PM
Final UMHB 96, LC 86.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 03:48:33 PM
HSU - 28
LETU - 21
1st Half 2:20 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 23, 2007, 04:58:11 PM
Just wanted everyone to know that we will have  free live video for tomorrow's semifinal games and Sunday's Championship. ICS,http://www.internetconsult.com/ (http://www.internetconsult.com/), will host the games and they do a great job so the quality should be excellent. ICS is the same company who hosts the MC website as well as about 50-60 other athletic sites and conferences including Syracuse University.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 05:19:33 PM
Is your server big enough?

That is great!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 23, 2007, 05:24:33 PM
Well congrats to HSU - really shut down LETU today.

While it's hard not to be disappointed for today's game with LETU, still major props for Coach Davis and his team on an excellent season.  They should keep their heads held high and happy with the turnaround for the season. 

First winning season in 10 years......
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 23, 2007, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 05:19:33 PM
Is your server big enough?

That is great!   :)

Ralph,
   We don't host it locally. Internet Consulting Services hosts the feed for us. They also handle all of Syracuse's video so I am sure they have ample bandwidth. This is the first time we have hosted a free feed so they really don't have any idea of how many people to expect. We will see how it goes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 24, 2007, 02:03:51 AM
Quote from: thejungle on February 23, 2007, 11:52:17 AM
Mr. Brooks...Excellent Tournament page.  Thanks!

It was a thrill looking at the past ASC tournament records, I had forgotten how good that MC vs McM rivalry was...and still is.

Thanks for the nice words about the website. Hopefully everyone who could not make the trip will get a chance to watch tomorrow's games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 24, 2007, 11:48:15 AM
Congrats to HSU and MCM on the wins.  What an exciting day for the ASC on the Women's and Men's side with 4 great matchups.

Big win for McM yesterday.  They clinched their 9th 20 win season in school history and the sixth in the Ron Holmes era.  Congrats to him, the team, and the staff.  I wish I could be in Clinton today.  Thanks to Chris and the MC staff for making the video stream possible.  Hopefully I will back from Brownwood in time to watch the 2nd half.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 24, 2007, 01:39:59 PM
I tested the image quality of our live feed this morning and it is excellent. As long as viewers have a good connection they should be able to watch the game in full sreen mode and still have good quality. But this is the first time we have done this so we will have to see how many people log on to the feed.

Official Tournament Website
http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MBSKASCTourney07.asp
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 24, 2007, 10:34:01 PM
Thanks for the heads up and the stream Chris... it was really great! Ask poor Pat Coleman... I couldn't stop raving about the quality of the stream to him in the middle of him trying to broadcast a game. :D I'm really looking forward to this becoming a norm for DIII. Exciting stuff! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 12:30:35 AM
Not looking good for the Home Team, (formerly known as the Indians).

Pat has run tonight's QOWI.

McM has a South Region record of 19-5.  We have an Index of 9.583.

9.583 times 24 games = 230 points.  Add 8 more points for a win over ETBU in December and we get 238.

Divide 238 by 24 games and we get an Index of 9.917.  That and our new In-region record of 20-4 puts us in the Low 30's and 5th best in the South Region behind Miss College, VWC, Centre (playing Trinity Sunday in the SCAC tourney finals) and the Pool B Maryville TN.

The ETBU loss is what is killing us!  Otherwise, we get a Pool C bid!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 25, 2007, 01:19:58 PM
Ralph,

I attended yesterday's game between MC and McM.  McM got in a big hole early and could never recover.  MC played a very strong 1st half and seemed to overwelm the Indians.  The 2nd half was some what controlled by the officials.  There were a lot of fouls called and a lot of free throws shot.  There never really seemed to be a rythm in the 2nd half.  This was my first time to see either team play this year and there is no doubt who the better team is.  However, McM would never go away.  I was not impressed with the gaurd that you guys got back from injury.  He was not really a factor.

Congratulations on good season for the Indians.  Coach Holmes always does a great job with those guys. Maybe they will somehow grab a bid.  But if not, better luck next year.

MC has now beaten McM 6 out of the last 7 times the teams have met dating back to the ASC Championship game of the '02-'03 season. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 03:10:28 PM
t,  Moreno is a pure point guard.  What he did was to free up everyone else to play their position, Alvin Stevens and Bud Willis and Terrance Booker and Terrance Willis).   McM's record since his return is what we McMurry fans like about his contribution.  Please consider that factor when evaluating his play.

The baskets looked like they were rejecting our shots in the first half.  Nevertheless, Miss Coll has our number over the last few years and MC has recruited size that we haven't seen in years, probably since those 1999-2001 teams, when we were beating you.  ;)

The video feed was outstanding.  I really felt like I was there.

Good luck Choctaws!  I am counting on Miss College making the Final Four, and nothing less!!!! This is the best ASC team since the 2000 McMurry team.  I am counting on the ASC getting our first win over a Great Lakes team in the NCAA playoffs.  Go ASC!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 25, 2007, 03:16:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 03:10:28 PM

The video feed was outstanding.  I really felt like I was there.

Good luck Choctaws!  I am counting on Miss College making the Final Four, and nothing less!!!! This is the best ASC team since the 2000 McMurry team.  I am counting on the ASC getting our first win over a Great Lakes team in the NCAA playoffs.  Go ASC!
The feed was great yesterday.

I was very impressed with MC when I saw them in person at UTD.  I especially liked their passing and ball movement.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 25, 2007, 03:54:49 PM
Ralph,

I was not bashing Moreno.  I was just under the impression that he was more of a scoring threat.  Anyway, good luck in the future and keep up the great posts.  I really enjoy reading them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: t_money on February 25, 2007, 03:54:49 PM
Ralph,

I was not bashing Moreno.  I was just under the impression that he was more of a scoring threat.  Anyway, good luck in the future and keep up the great posts.  I really enjoy reading them.
t money, sorry that I gave the wrong impression!  Moreno allowed Bud Willis and Alvin Stevens to focus on #2 and #3 functions!

Good luck, Choctaws! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 25, 2007, 07:37:56 PM
Congrats to MC on another ASC crown. :) We'll all be gunning for you again next year. :P

Now c'mon Choctaws, win it all!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 25, 2007, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 03:10:28 PM
The video feed was outstanding.  I really felt like I was there.
Ralph,
   Very happy to hear that the video quality was good. Internet Consulting Services has done a great job with us and they allow us to send out an excellent stream. But it does require a pretty good connection on both ends. My wife was able to watch it at home with no problems and our connection is about 12 Mps.

Hopefully that is something our conference can continue to do in the future since we are so spread out. Plus, it helps people around the nation get a look at us who otherwise would never see an ASC game. I will know the exact numbers tomorrow, but the early word I received from ICS was that the preliminary #'s were "quite impressive".  I'm just happy we were able to do it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 25, 2007, 09:32:28 PM
My connection is 15 MBPS, and it came in great. The connection that was streamed out was at least twice as good as other ones that I have seen. It was really great to be able to catch some ASC action. I must admit being a little giddy at both the quality of the stream and the fact that I got to catch some ASC basketball from all the way out here in California. I'm pretty sure that's the first time that I've ever seen an ASC team, and it was a good enough stream that I thought I could get a pretty good idea of the caliber of the teams and try to begin to put that together with the national perspective I've gained living all over the country.

Thank you again for making it possible! I hope that some day everyone will be doing this kind of thing! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on February 25, 2007, 09:32:28 PM
My connection is 15 MBPS, and it came in great. The connection that was streamed out was at least twice as good as other ones that I have seen. It was really great to be able to catch some ASC action. I must admit being a little giddy at both the quality of the stream and the fact that I got to catch some ASC basketball from all the way out here in California. I'm pretty sure that's the first time that I've ever seen an ASC team, and it was a good enough stream that I thought I could get a pretty good idea of the caliber of the teams and try to begin to put that together with the national perspective I've gained living all over the country.

Thank you again for making it possible! I hope that some day everyone will be doing this kind of thing! :)

dhf, you have to consider that McMurry made the 10 hour bus ride on Thursday for the tourney this weekend.  The travel in this conference is brutal.  I think that our Top 4-6 teams can play with any top 40 teams in the country.  We won't get a Wheaton to come to Dallas often. 
When I saw Wheaton at UDallas in Jan 2004, I thought they are no better than McM or Miss Coll 1000 miles away from home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2007, 10:24:56 PM
UMHB is in!

It's official!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 25, 2007, 10:30:21 PM
Congrats to UMHB and MC.  Represent the ASC well!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on February 25, 2007, 11:06:31 PM
still a great season for the HSU Cowboys. It's a great year for this years seniors.

Good luck to the other ASC teams and represent well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on February 26, 2007, 07:12:16 AM
Way to Go Cru.  Congrats on the tourney invite!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 26, 2007, 09:00:21 AM
I'll take a stab at a possible matchup. I would guess MC hosts a four team regional and faces Fontbonne with UMHB and Maryville playing the other game. I know Fontbonne is within the 500 mile radius but I am not sure about UMHB or Maryville. If all thre are bus trips, then this would be my best guess.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 26, 2007, 09:42:25 AM
It is stupid that the NCAA pairs up teams from the same conference for a first round matchup.  Having them at the same site is understandable but at least seperate them in the first round. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Why would UMHB face MC in the first round?  This makes no sense to me.

Congrats on LETU's fine season!  The fan support at the University has been great this year.  I heard that we had a good showing of fan support at the game.  With only losing one senior and having the possibility of another strong recruiting class, LETU should be back next year!

Good luck UMHB and MC! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 26, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
MC will be playing Occidental and UMHB will play Maryville. The NCAA committee changed it this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 26, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
MC will be playing Occidental and UMHB will play Maryville. The NCAA committee changed it this morning.

Thanks Chris - I had printed off my bracket and noticed that when I was attempting to fill it in.  A little bit easier to do a D1 bracket than it is a D3 bracket.  I assume you will be pretty busy the next couple of weeks eh?[
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 26, 2007, 11:29:27 AM
It is a busy time of the year for me but I can't complain, it's a lot of fun at the same time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 11:33:21 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 26, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
MC will be playing Occidental and UMHB will play Maryville. The NCAA committee changed it this morning.

Thanks Chris - I had printed off my bracket and noticed that when I was attempting to fill it in.  A little bit easier to do a D1 bracket than it is a D3 bracket.  I assume you will be pretty busy the next couple of weeks eh?[

Yes, our printable bracket has been updated. Brackets are on the front page.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 26, 2007, 12:54:17 PM
If I looked at the bracket correctly, the committee said that the 5 teams who got the bye into the 2nd round had better years than MC. I have not had time to look it up, but I hope that those 5 are all number 1 in their region.  It also looks like every region at least got 1 bye into 2nd round except the one MC and UMHB are in and 2 regions got 2 byes. I am not necessarilly crying or even that upset, because if you are the best ur the best, but I just don't understand how that can happen. How 1 entire region got no team with a bye and 2 regions got 2 teams with a bye.  Am I crazy or is it the selection committee.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tigersports on February 26, 2007, 01:02:13 PM
Not sure you guys should be complaining too much.  You're 19th-ranked team didn't get shipped out 1800 miles, get slotted in against an unranked team and then get changed to the #5 team on the #5 team's home floor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 26, 2007, 01:16:38 PM
I wouldn't say it's complaining, just trying to understand what determines all these pairings.  A lot of it could be just wanting some respect, however, you haev to earn that first. 

This is what makes college sports so fun, the drama that goes with it!  Don't underestimate playing UMHB - they did upset Virginia Wesleyan this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 26, 2007, 01:35:24 PM
I wasnt complaining, like bearcat said just trying to understand.  The entire region didnt get a team who got a bye but two regions get two teams that do. I just dont understand that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 02:48:58 PM
kid nice, there are two words that can trump anything..."geographic proximity".

I am much happier with this bracket.  I just hope that Miss College can get a Sectional if they win!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 26, 2007, 03:09:20 PM
Since the NCAA made the correction on conference teams playing in the first round, I retract my earlier statement about it being stupid!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 26, 2007, 06:46:44 PM
yea the ncaa did the right thing changing the bracket, but they screwed it up even more. MC and Occidental are the top two teams in this bracket and they square off 1st round. And tigersports i agree with you totally. Maryville coach or UMHB coach must have alot of stroke with the selection commitee
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2007, 07:49:24 PM
They did it for money.

The loser of the first game will be able to bus home after the game, thus saving a night's lodging. :(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2007, 08:09:37 PM
Watch out for Maryville, that is all I am going to say.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: Spencer Beaty on February 26, 2007, 08:09:37 PM
Watch out for Maryville, that is all I am going to say.
I am looking forward to this sub-regional.

UMHB has size, speed and toughness.  It should be a good match-up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on February 26, 2007, 09:19:26 PM
I only come out of my hole and speak at tournament time, but it certainly does seem like MC and the ASC as a whole got the ol' "nuts and bolts" treatment.  It is a shame that the best teams are not rewarded for their hard work all season. 

On the other hand, to win it all, you have to beat them all, and in the end, the order will not matter. ;)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 09:29:05 PM
Look at the bracket beyond the Golden Dome, if MC (or maybe UMHB) wins.

I think that MissColl goes to the DC area.  If you can play VWC on a neutral floor, then I think that we (the ASC) got the best draw that we could hope for.

Personally, I don't think that we match up well with the Great Lakes teams or we get into those fan-unneutral environments, and it is not fair.  I think that the Mid-Atlantic is a better route.  That is how VWC won last year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on February 26, 2007, 10:06:52 PM
I'm not understanding how Lake Erie (25-2), who is not even in the Top 25, and Salem State(24-2), who has just entered the poll, got a bye where neither MC or Virginia Wesleyan did not. also, 2 sections got 2 byes the other got one and the MC, VWC didn't even have a team with a bye. I have not checked up on the seasons of the bye teams but it's still odd that the selection commitee would do that. ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
Lake Erie had the great record in the Great Lakes Region and a good win versus Rochester.

Their gym only holds 750 so they are big enough to host two teams and not four.

I really don't think that a bye helps.  I take the other approach.  Play a winnable game to get the butterflies out on Friday night.  Then you have your fan momentum.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on February 26, 2007, 10:29:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
Lake Erie had the great record in the Great Lakes Region and a good win versus Rochester.

Like I said I haven't done a background check yet. And I'm not arguing that MC should get a bye. I'm with you get a tournament game under our belt before the big teams from up north come in. What are your expectations for the MC tournament run? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:35:10 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on February 26, 2007, 10:29:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
Lake Erie had the great record in the Great Lakes Region and a good win versus Rochester.
Like I said I haven't done a background check yet. And I'm not arguing that MC should get a bye. I'm with you get a tournament game under our belt before the big teams from up north come in. What are your expectations for the MC tournament run? ;D
As cautiously as I can, I really like Miss College's draw.  I think that the Great Lakes bracket is the steel trap for the ASC.  Miss College (and the 2000 McMurry team) have not done well.

VWC made it thru the Mid-Atlantic last year.  I think that that is the best way for the Choctaws, too.

Go ASC!  I don't want to favor one over the other, but I think the ASC has a good chance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2007, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on February 26, 2007, 10:30:19 PM
Wow the quote messed up!!!

When you add your new text to a post you quoted, make sure it's outside the part of the code that resembles {/quote}
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 27, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
For those of you who don't know, the ASC awards have been announced
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0607/70226menbasketball-allconf.htm (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0607/70226menbasketball-allconf.htm)

No major suprises to me!  It was nice to see some LETU players earn recognition for their play this year.  I would've liked to have seen Jesse Hayes make the freshman team, but his time will come.

One thing I was somewhat shocked was that Guyden didn't win POY on the West side.  Was this expected?  I know Pickelman is the real deal, but Guyden led his team to an unbelieveable season.   Just curious......

Also, D3 Hoops is doing a Pick 'Em if you didn't see that on the front page.  Looks like it will be a lot of fun - http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/ (http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/)

Great Idea Pat Coleman!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2007, 11:07:27 AM
By no means am I writing this to belittle the efforts of Ken DeWeese.  UMHB had a great year in the west as co-champions.  But...

A little background:  Since the inception of the ASC not ONCE has Coach Ron Holmes won the Coach of the year award for the conference OR for the west.  That includes two conference championships, and who knows how man west division championships.

They ARE the winningest team in the west over that period of time, but for some reason Coach Holmes has never gotten coach of the year.  And THIS was another year that he earned it.

Think about it:  None of you knew what to expect this year from McMurry.  A new assistant coach...Very few returners.  (Only 3...And only two of those were consistent starters)  And out of that...a new team, and a new offensive system, he STILL managed to win the west division.

I don't get it.  (It's starting to feel like I write this post, same time, every year!)  Give this guy coach of the year SOMEDAY guys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 27, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
Quote from: thejungle on February 27, 2007, 11:07:27 AM
By no means am I writing this to belittle the efforts of Ken DeWeese.  UMHB had a great year in the west as co-champions.  But...

A little background:  Since the inception of the ASC not ONCE has Coach Ron Holmes won the Coach of the year award for the conference OR for the west.  That includes two conference championships, and who knows how man west division championships.

They ARE the winningest team in the west over that period of time, but for some reason Coach Holmes has never gotten coach of the year.  And THIS was another year that he earned it.

Think about it:  None of you knew what to expect this year from McMurry.  A new assistant coach...Very few returners.  (Only 3...And only two of those were consistent starters)  And out of that...a new team, and a new offensive system, he STILL managed to win the west division.

I don't get it.  (It's starting to feel like I write this post, same time, every year!)  Give this guy coach of the year SOMEDAY guys!

&thejungle.

I do agree with you.  However one correction, Coach Holmes was named Coach of the Year in the West in 98-99.  The year McM went to the Elite Eight he was not named Coach of the Year for the Conference but was named Coach of the Year for the South Region.  Figure that one out!!!!

I scratch my head as well, and I find it hard to beleive that for the success he has had that he is not a multiple winner of this award.  He has one 2 ASC titles, shared one ASC title (prior to the expansion) and has won outright or a share of 6 division titles. He definately deserved it this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2007, 11:41:11 AM
Thanks for the correction Blue Devil.  I had forgotten about that.  (Of course it's been 8 or 9 years.)

I guess what really got me was that stretch of time in the early 00's when they won every game in the west for the stretch of a few SEASONS and he didn't get coach of the year any of those years.

To everyone:  Thanks for letting me vent...I feel better already!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:27:55 PM
Chris, will you be able to work out the licensing details to videostream the tourney?

I know that the NCAA is the sponsor, but that video was great!

I wish that all ASC schools would sign on as conference, charge us a nominal access fee for all games thru the conference and let us subscribe for the year.

I would much rather watch Miss Coll than Duke.

I just prefer D3!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 27, 2007, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:27:55 PM
Chris, will you be able to work out the licensing details to videostream the tourney?

I know that the NCAA is the sponsor, but that video was great!

I wish that all ASC schools would sign on as conference, charge us a nominal access fee for all games thru the conference and let us subscribe for the year.

I would much rather watch Miss Coll than Duke.

I just prefer D3!

I'm working on it but not sure yet.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on February 27, 2007, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on February 27, 2007, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 12:27:55 PM
Chris, will you be able to work out the licensing details to videostream the tourney?

I know that the NCAA is the sponsor, but that video was great!
I'm working on it but not sure yet.
Chris, if you can make this happen, you will totally be the coolest person alive. Gooo Chris! ;) :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 27, 2007, 04:52:10 PM
Chris,

Pull this off so we  SCIAC fans will stop whining.  :-[

I'm planning on being there in person, but the videocast you had over the weekend was awesome. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on February 27, 2007, 07:55:53 PM
As a Calvin fan I agree the Sunday broadcast was great  For years we have
looked for a way to be able to compare one team, and one reagion or section of the country with another.  I really believe that internet video will do much for D3.  Calvin and Hope games have been on local TV since the 60's, and satellite since 98,  but how many D3 games get that coverage?  As I have said a number of times in this room the Mc Murry 00 game at Calvin is one of my favorite all time D3 games.  While it might not have ended well from an ASC perspective it showcased the best of several programs. conferences, and regions.  Calvin is building a new arena next year, and one of the things planned for it is state of the art video and web capabilities.  D3 bball has a great product we just need to get the word out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 07:12:31 AM
The feature about Coast Guard mentions Ryan Burgess from Haskell.

How did he get away?   Other than a great chance to attend a service academy! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 12:06:53 PM
How about that front page coverage of the ASC!!!

Good picture of Coach Jones and Ryan Hudson at Kimbrell Arena last November!  :D

ASC Proud! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:36:03 PM
Y'all need to thank Ralph Turner every time one of my photos of MC or any other ASC school runs on the site. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:55:39 PM
So, uh, not that you have anything better to do right now... like organizing a lot of logistics for a regional or anything... but I have to ask...  ;D

Chris, what's the current scoop on the Video stream? :-X :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 01:55:39 PM

Chris, what's the current scoop on the Video stream? :-X :)

Inquiring minds want to know!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:36:03 PM
Y'all need to thank Ralph Turner every time one of my photos of MC or any other ASC school runs on the site. :)

Thank you, Pat, for traveling D3nation!

Pat, in the last 3 years, how many of the 800 men's and women's D3 teams have you seen in person or on video stream?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 01, 2007, 03:43:07 PM
Live video will be available Friday for Mississippi College's game against Occidental Friday and again Saturday should the Choctaws win. I have something up on our site now about it at www.gochoctaws.com (http://www.gochoctaws.com) but links will not be up until tomorrow. It is a large feed so a strong DSL connection is required. I would say a minimum connection of 4-5 Mbps should work. The stream is about 550 Kbps and a 4 meg connection should handle it, maybe even 3 megs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 04:11:17 PM
+1 Chris!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 04:11:17 PM
+1 Chris!
Ditto! :) :) :) My hero! (swoons) :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 01, 2007, 11:40:07 PM
Here is a link to the Mississippi College regional website for this weekend.
http://www.gochoctaws.com/index.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/index.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on March 02, 2007, 01:29:23 PM
Go choctaws. good luck tonight.  On the player of the year in the East I was more impressed with broomfield the two games I saw than Jones. Granted, it was only two games and Jones just may have had subpar performances. He was to lazy with the ball at times which caused some turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 02, 2007, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: kid nice on March 02, 2007, 01:29:23 PM
Go choctaws. good luck tonight.  On the player of the year in the East I was more impressed with broomfield the two games I saw than Jones. Granted, it was only two games and Jones just may have had subpar performances. He was to lazy with the ball at times which caused some turnovers.

DJ Jones is the real deal!  He knows when to step up and plays at a controlled pace.  I know what you are saying though, it's hard not to think Broomfield as the best player on MC's team b/c he can be a game changer at both ends of the court!

Great job Chris on the website.  GO ASC! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2007, 09:07:08 PM
Guyden had 20 pts on 20 shots
UMHB found out that Quinn Bradley is a heck of a defender and Bobby Golden is a heck of a post player
congrats to UMHB on a great season


Go chocs the scots have not seen you in a calendar year and they miss you
SCots V Chocs in a regular season match up
I know the scots are in, how bout the chocs
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 02, 2007, 11:10:54 PM
Kudos to the webcast team at MC.  The video feed was excellent, and much appreciated!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 02, 2007, 11:55:45 PM
diehardfan,

Charlie the Unicorn?  wow that's disturbing. ;D

Shun the nonbeliever!!!!  Shun the nonbeliever!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 03, 2007, 12:32:21 AM
MC played a great game, jumping out on Oxy pretty quick. I will say, however, that MC let up a little bit. The Chocs held em to 18 in the first half, but they then allowed 50 in the second. We now take on Maryville tomorrow, and if (I mean when) we win it'll be us against the VWC bracket winner.

Still not exactly sure how DJ beat out Tim for the East POY because Tim is a heck of a player while DJ tends to create alot of turnovers.

Hudson had a great night again. As did Marcus.

I was not impressed with the Oxy played. I just imagined that a team that is considered good enough to be in the NCAA tourney would put on a better show than that.

GO CHOCS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 12:35:31 AM
Quote from: mhb8904 on March 02, 2007, 11:55:45 PM
diehardfan,

Charlie the Unicorn?  wow that's disturbing. ;D

Shun the unbeliever!!!!  Shun the unbeliever!!!!
It's actually nonbeliever :P

Funniest... video... ever :D Basically, I am the strange HOFer that the other ones worry about. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 03, 2007, 12:37:10 AM
Chaaaarrrlliieee!!!! Candy Mountain Charlie
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 03, 2007, 01:04:37 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 12:35:31 AM
Quote from: mhb8904 on March 02, 2007, 11:55:45 PM
diehardfan,

Charlie the Unicorn?  wow that's disturbing. ;D

Shun the nonbeliever!!!!  Shun the nonbeliever!!!!
It's actually nonbeliever :P

Funniest... video... ever :D Basically, I am the strange HOFer that the other ones worry about. ;)

I fixed it.  The funny thing is I saw that for the first time today.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:36:03 PM
Y'all need to thank Ralph Turner every time one of my photos of MC or any other ASC school runs on the site. :)

Thank you, Pat, for traveling D3nation!

Pat, in the last 3 years, how many of the 800 men's and women's D3 teams have you seen in person or on video stream?

I don't count teams I've seen on video. My list also only includes teams I've ever seen, not broken down by year. I understand that seeing Elmira play in 1993 isn't very relevant to 2006 but I don't think seeing all 800 teams every three years is a reasonable goal.

By my count, 125 men's teams and 74 women's teams, though I only started listing recently and I occasionally find teams I've missed.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on March 03, 2007, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on March 03, 2007, 12:32:21 AM
MC played a great game, jumping out on Oxy pretty quick. I will say, however, that MC let up a little bit. The Chocs held em to 18 in the first half, but they then allowed 50 in the second. We now take on Maryville tomorrow, and if (I mean when) we win it'll be us against the VWC bracket winner.

Still not exactly sure how DJ beat out Tim for the East POY because Tim is a heck of a player while DJ tends to create alot of turnovers.

Hudson had a great night again. As did Marcus.

I was not impressed with the Oxy played. I just imagined that a team that is considered good enough to be in the NCAA tourney would put on a better show than that.

GO CHOCS!!!

Chocsrock34,

I do agree with you that MC did let up a little in the second half but they only gave up 33 in the second half, not 50.  They will be ready for tonite.

Go Chocs!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2007, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2007, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2007, 12:36:03 PM
Y'all need to thank Ralph Turner every time one of my photos of MC or any other ASC school runs on the site. :)

Thank you, Pat, for traveling D3nation!

Pat, in the last 3 years, how many of the 800 men's and women's D3 teams have you seen in person or on video stream?

I don't count teams I've seen on video. My list also only includes teams I've ever seen, not broken down by year. I understand that seeing Elmira play in 1993 isn't very relevant to 2006 but I don't think seeing all 800 teams every three years is a reasonable goal.

By my count, 125 men's teams and 74 women's teams, though I only started listing recently and I occasionally find teams I've missed.
My thoughts are that the quantity and quantity of teams that you have seen over the last 3 years only add to the credibility of your position when discussing a team.  You were appropriately "close to the vest" on HPU this year.  I am certain that you had a very good framework by which to evaluate their run.

Elmira in 1993 is not necessarily relevant, but the quality of basketball of the Elmira team in 1993, regardless of how good or how bad, allows you the judgment as to what type of success that Elmira in 2008 may have.  Quality teams over the years do the same things and usually have the same characteristics.

I appreciate your getting out to see the teams.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on March 03, 2007, 12:32:21 AM

I was not impressed with the Oxy played. I just imagined that a team that is considered good enough to be in the NCAA tourney would put on a better show than that.

Chocs, Oxy's best player, Sam Betty did not suit up.  The comparable analogy would be if Tim Broomfield and DJ Jones and Tyler Winford, all three, were out with injuries.  I think that Betty meant that much to their team.

If that is the case, the karma got UMHB.  UMHB got the harder non-ASC team in the first round!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on March 03, 2007, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on March 03, 2007, 12:32:21 AM

I was not impressed with the Oxy played. I just imagined that a team that is considered good enough to be in the NCAA tourney would put on a better show than that.

Chocs, Oxy's best player, Sam Betty did not suit up.  The comparable analogy would be if Tim Broomfield and DJ Jones and Tyler Winford, all three, were out with injuries.  I think that Betty meant that much to their team.

If that is the case, the karma got UMHB.  UMHB got the harder non-ASC team in the first round!
Ralph,
    have you lost your mind.  I am sure that Betty is a great player,  but to say that he equals those three is ludicris.  There is no way that one player would have made up that difference last night.  The Chocs  only played 20 min of good basketball last night and still won pretty easy. 
   Have you seen MC play in person this year?  If you haven't, you need to before you make a statement like that.  A stat sheet or on internet feed doesn't give them any justice.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 02:24:26 PM
As someone who is a neutral fan (I'm a Wheaton College IL fan), and has seen Occidental play numerous times this season, I'd like to weigh in on this discussion.

First of all, I'm pretty sure that NO player could hold up to being as important to a team as three players on a high caliber playoff team!!! However, Ralph does make some very valid points in the midst of his hyperbole. ;) I'm pretty sure he wasn't dissing MC... the point is that the Oxy Tigers relied as much on Betty as Miss College relies on all three of those guys for points and leadership... does that make sense? You have the luxury of being a much more balanced team.

Sam Betty is basically THE inside scoring threat on his team... the Oxy Tigers really don't have anyone else inside at all. While Oxy is a very good team that I thought could win 1, 2, maybe 3 games this year in the post season, they are not, by any vague stretch of the imagination a deep team. Betty posted 18.6PPG and 7.2RPG this season... given the number of higher than DIII opponents they played in their non-conference season, that's pretty impressive. Betty also, IMHO played slightly better than Isaac Rosefelt in the first half of Oxy's season opener against St. Thomas. Isaac definitely came back and made a big statement in the second half, becoming basically unstoppable, but IMHO Betty is one of the best big guys in the league this year.

Connor Whitman, Oxy's top guard and #2 scoring threat at (17.6PPG, .457FG%, 480 3PT%) he only gets as many good looks as he did all season to do so well because the opposing teams have to focus so much on containing Betty. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player, and makes the most of what he gets, but with Betty out, he's not going to get nearly as many opportunities. You know how you go to a game involving a team you've never seen before, and you don't know anyone on the opposing team, but someone catches your eye? Betty did that for me immediately as a Jr last year. He was a preseason AA and that's not in error. It took at least three games of watching Oxy to even notice Connor was there compared to the guards I saw him match up against (though to be fair to Connor, they were Redland's Amir Mazarei, and St. Thomas's Bryan Schnettler, both of whom I think should be AA candidates). With Betty out last night, Whitman's game was positively a whisper.... I mean, three points? Are you kidding me? it went from having to contain two very good guys who play on completely different parts of the court to only having to contain the outside game... much easier defensive strategy to enact. I have no doubt that Miss College is a strong defensive team, but there was definitely domino effect going on there.

The talent drops off pretty considerably after those two, and it's evident when you look at their season stats: http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/basketball-men/stats_06_07.htm. Guys like Zebb, McBride, Mills, Kostic, are basically solid, well coached players that can make clutch plays in big games.... but when it comes down to it, they're role players, not stars. You can't win a game when over 85-90% of the guys you playing are basically role players. IMHO, you need at least two "go to" guys.

When Betty went down against Redlands in a game that ended up deciding the SCIAC champion (if Redlands had one, it would have been a tie and they would have played a tiebreaker game), his team held on... but Redlands is undersized, and a system team that relys heavily on the outside shot, so that was possible against a soild squad. When they played Whittier (3-11 in the SCIAC) a few days later, they took two overtimes to beat them without Betty... despite the fact that they had beaten them by 22 earlier in the season! :o

With all that said, I'm 100% sure that Oxy would have given Mississippi College a game if they had had Betty. Would it have changed the outcome? Well, I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2007, 04:06:51 PM
Go Scots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 03, 2007, 04:35:55 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 02:24:26 PM
With all that said, I'm 100% sure that Oxy would have given Mississippi College a game if they had had Betty. Would it have changed the outcome? Well, I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.

With all due respect to Occidentall, the score was 42-18 at halftime. Oxy has a great program and looking at the stats Betty is vitally important to their success, but it is not a given that he would have put up the same numbers against a very good MC frontline, let's give a little bit of credit to MC.

The reason Whitman struggled was because of D. J. Jones, not the absence of Betty. Jones has held the last three top-flight guards (Connor Whitman, Joel McDonald, Martin Salinas) he has faced to 11-40 shooting. Kevin Guyden (UMHB) was 1-8 against him earlier this year for a season low four points and I know that guy is good. MC would have guarded Whitman the same way regardless and probably match up with Betty better than most teams.

Again, no disrespect to Occidental who had a great year and it is very unfortunate Betty was not able to play, but MC deserves just a bit of credit here. They lead the nation in defense for a reason. I know what Ralph meant by his comment, just stressing how important he is to that particular team, but it is a bad analogy. It doesn't matter how good he is, I feel comfortable saying it is not equal to the top two players in the ASC this year and a two-time preseason all-american.

Onto another subject, the game tonight against Maryville should be a great one. They were impressive in beating a UMHB team that had a great season. For the third straight season, MS College and Maryville will play to see who goes to a sectional.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 04:56:05 PM
I hope you didn't take my post to be not giving Mississippi College credit. :-\ Although it was a tough pick for me, I did pick Mississippi College in this game... and that was before I knew Betty was injured. What I was saying is it is not anywhere near 100% clearcut that you guys would have won the way that "balls a dunkin" was suggesting to Ralph in the post that I quoted.

When I said:
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 02:24:26 PM
With all that said, I'm 100% sure that Oxy would have given Mississippi College a game if they had had Betty. Would it have changed the outcome? Well, I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.
it was meant to be more more epistemological than anything else.  :)

And for what it's worth, in their toughest game of the year pre-playoffs,
http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/basketball-men/results/06_07/St.%20Thomas_11%2017%2006.htm shows that Betty put up 20 pts against St. Thomas's Isaac Rosefelt.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on March 03, 2007, 05:11:03 PM
Ralph is just mad because once again March has rolled around and McMurry only has next year to look forward to.  He wants the Choctaws to lose so bad its pathetic.

Come on Ralph, be honest.  You say you are cheering for the ASC but that is only if the team playing does not include MC.

Does it kill you to give MC some credit?


Mattgrub,

No way Maryville beats MC in Clinton.  But keep cheering, it is amusing.

Go Chocs
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 03, 2007, 06:03:58 PM
t, I agree with you Maryville could bring in the best team they can but it just won't be enough to beat our Chocs, especially when the crowd gets into the game. Last night we had more students attend than ever before this season, and I don't expect much less from 'em tonite. And just remember
CHOCS ROCK
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 03, 2007, 06:15:55 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 04:56:05 PM
I hope you didn't take my post to be not giving Mississippi College credit. :-\ Although it was a tough pick for me, I did pick Mississippi College in this game... and that was before I knew Betty was injured. What I was saying is it is not anywhere near 100% clearcut that you guys would have won the way that "balls a dunkin" was suggesting to Ralph in the post that I quoted.

When I said:
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 02:24:26 PM
With all that said, I'm 100% sure that Oxy would have given Mississippi College a game if they had had Betty. Would it have changed the outcome? Well, I have no idea, and neither does anyone else.
it was meant to be more more epistemological than anything else.  :)

And for what it's worth, in their toughest game of the year pre-playoffs,
http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/basketball-men/results/06_07/St.%20Thomas_11%2017%2006.htm shows that Betty put up 20 pts against St. Thomas's Isaac Rosefelt.

I don't have anything negative to say about Occidental or Sam Betty. I am sure he is a great player and I would have liked to see him play. MC has the luxury of not relying on any one particular player, but there are several players on the team who are in that same class, they are just not asked to put up those kind of numbers. The leading scorer for MC the last 9 games is actually 6'8" forward Ryan Hudson.

Hopefully that depth will show tonight when they play a really good Maryville team who is also capable of making a run in this year's tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 06:25:56 PM
Does Maryville have any hurt players they can use to console themselves after a Clinton loss? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 06:33:29 PM
Quote from: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 06:25:56 PM
Does Maryville have any hurt players they can use to console themselves after a Clinton loss? ;)
LOL... nice. :P I don't see any Oxy fans consoling themselves. ;) Need I highlight this part of my post to you....

Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 02:24:26 PM
(I'm a Wheaton College IL fan)

we didn't even get to the playoffs. :D We didn't have an injured player to use an excuse either!!!  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: t_money on March 03, 2007, 05:11:03 PM
Ralph is just mad because once again March has rolled around and McMurry only has next year to look forward to.  He wants the Choctaws to lose so bad its pathetic.

Come on Ralph, be honest.  You say you are cheering for the ASC but that is only if the team playing does not include MC.

Does it kill you to give MC some credit?


Mattgrub,

No way Maryville beats MC in Clinton.  But keep cheering, it is amusing.

Go Chocs
Wow, I got you guys to thinking!   ;)

Let me review the points that were contained in that previous post.

What does Broomfield provide?  An incredible inside presence who can take big men outside when he hits the "3".  Betty is strong inside.

What does Jones provide?  An incredible outside presence that is set up by numerous Choctaw players.  But the comparable arrangement in the Oxy offense is a strong Sam Betty inside who sets up the outside game.

What does Winford provide?  IMHO, I perceive that he provides the maturity and stability on the court and to the team that allows an incredibly talented team to excel.  I see that Sam Betty was that for Oxy.

Those 3 players make up one-quarter of a very well-balanced team.  Betty was that for Oxy.  Not having Betty had a tremendous impact on Oxy.  I saw the videostream of the second half and that Betty-less Oxy team would have done well to finish in the top half of the ASC-West.  What that also showed me is that we have had very, very, very few post players in the ASC to take us to the Elite 8.  McM's Kim Maina may be the last one, and he wasn't the complete package.  Mardochee Jean is one who can, but he didn't have enough help all season.  Tommy Stolhandske could not do it by himself.  Chris Brooks makes my point about the depth and breadth of the Choctaws this year.  They seem to be 11-12 deep.

I came off with a tremendous respect for the Murvul inside players.  We know Burgart's abilities.  But Murvul beat the Cru very soundly.

As for my loyalties in the post-season, I am all ASC now.  I have heard or seen 14 of the 17 ASC post season games, (missing 2004 SRSU wins over UDallas and Trinity and missing the 2005 MC win over Murvul).

t money, that is very presumptuous of you.  My pick' em bracket has Miss College over Wooster  and 116 total points in the Championship.  (60-56 sounds like a Choctaw score, doesn't it.)  :)

We still need to get to the Final Four.  I like our going around the Great Lakes this year, altho' they seem weak.  The ODAC looks strong and we can see how JHU does tonight.  If we get to the Final Four, it will be thru the Mid-Atlantic, which I believe is the easist route available to us.  (We don't get to play in the bracket in New England.   :-\ )
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 06:37:48 PM
Lest I be de-Karmatized again, the last comment was merely a joke.  In all sincerity, I applaud those willing to call out the comments about Beatty.  I am sure he is a great player, but enough is enough.  MC played one half of great basketball, and one half of mediocre basketball, and won the game on a good effort, not the misfortune of an opponent.  They've done it 26 (?) times this year, and to say the last one was due to anything other than being a great basketball team is demeaning to the hard work of that group of young men.  Tonight should be a great game, and I'll go in expecting the same result as last night.  Go Choctaws (again, a reminder, "Chocs" is not an acceptable substitute for Choctaws, per the Choctaw tribe of Mississippi)  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 06:42:48 PM
Quote from: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 06:37:48 PM
Lest I be de-Karmatized again, the last comment was merely a joke.  In all sincerity, I applaud those willing to call out the comments about Betty.  I am sure he is a great player, but enough is enough.  MC played one half of great basketball, and one half of mediocre basketball, and won the game on a good effort, not the misfortune of an opponent.  They've done it 26 (?) times this year, and to say the last one was due to anything other than being a great basketball team is demeaning to the hard work of that group of young men.  Tonight should be a great game, and I'll go in expecting the same result as last night.  Go Choctaws (again, a reminder, "Chocs" is not an acceptable substitute for Choctaws, per the Choctaw tribe of Mississippi)  :)

I didn't smite you.

And I am happy that Mississippi College can still use their "Choctaw" nickname.

We still have Tipi Village, the Spirit Wind statue on the commons and an 84 year tradition that honors the Native American people whom our founding president first loved.

Go Choctaws! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 06:59:24 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but did McMurry lose the "Indians" nickname?  As previously stated, I usually only come out of my hole at playoff time.  If they indeed did, what are the possible replacements?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 07:01:14 PM
In a slightly related note, how about those Ole Miss Rebels, picked last in the SEC West, finishing with at least a share of the West Title!  Go Rebs! (this is an acceptable substitute.) :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 07:23:24 PM
Quote from: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 06:59:24 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but did McMurry lose the "Indians" nickname?  As previously stated, I usually only come out of my hole at playoff time.  If they indeed did, what are the possible replacements?
We lost all appeals last spring and summer.  In October, after a study group recommendation and deliberation by the Board of Trustees, McMurry chose to avoid Sanctions by going without a nickname.

Here is a Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2006/05/20/about-mcmurrys-indians/) link that covers most of it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 07:30:37 PM
That bites. To me, you guys will always be the Indians.  The NCAA really overstepped its bounds.

Secondly, you article begs the question:  Did the registrars office realize you had some Choctaw blood when they let you in?  :)  See, deep down, you bleed blue and old gold. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 07:35:49 PM
But my theology is deeply and profoundly Wesleyan! :D

Would you accept my Infant Baptism, my love of Open Communion and my salvation due to dying to self and my accepting God's Prevenient Grace?

I acknowledge that I am prone to backsliding, but I gotta root for the Choctaws tonight!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 07:40:04 PM
The infant baptism and open communion I'll let slide.  Grace gets you a pass, but that's another board. 

Glad to have you on the Choctaw reservation tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 07:40:04 PM
The infant baptism and open communion I'll let slide.  Grace gets you a pass, but that's another board. 

Glad to have you on the Choctaw reservation tonight!

NCChoctaw, I think I just smited after my post on Infant Baptism and Open Communion! :o

There must be some real Baptist posters on the board tonight!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 08:41:49 PM
We're a loyal bunch.  If you're keeping up with the board right now, what's your first half eval?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2007, 08:44:57 PM
i think as usual the chocs start out quick
the chocs are shooting 55% and the scots are shooting 29% there is any explanation
the fouls are onesided but that is always they case, there are always excuses and i won't use that one, we are playing in clinton, that is to be expected
the bottomline is shooting
foul trouble could be a problem for the scots
if the chocs simmer down in the 2nd half the way they did last night the scots have a chance
but an exciting 1st half, it is awesome to be able to watch it
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 08:49:26 PM
The fouls are lop-sided, but, isn't that consistent with what we know about both teams?  A few calls were missed on both sides as well.  I may be biased, but the Choctaws again look like the much better team.  Announcers now saying VWC hangs on for the win.  We're going to Norfolk.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 08:52:18 PM
Grubby one, I understand that you told Coach Lambert that if you were given the winning MegaMillions ticket that you would put up a Diamondvision in the Boydston Baird!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NCChoctaw on March 03, 2007, 09:06:13 PM
unbelievable that the jersey rip off wasn't called!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 09:17:09 PM
MC by 16. under 8:30 minutes
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 09:22:16 PM
Woah, Maryville looks way tired. This game is totally over.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 09:41:29 PM
Miss Coll 73, Maryville 56; 1:30 left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 09:44:28 PM
Final Miss Coll 76, Maryville TN 56.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2007, 09:46:32 PM
well,
maryville never gave themselves a chance with that shooting
0-3 at the golden dome
1-1 in maryville vs. the chocs

we really have to start doing this thing during the regular season

Good luck next weekend
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2007, 09:50:12 PM
I recommend a neutral site, like Huntingdon.

Have an ASC-GSAC Classic.

MC and another (LC or LETU or ETBU) vs Huntingdon and Murvul, unless Murvul or Miss College could get a huge sponsor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2007, 10:50:02 PM
Congrats to the Choctaws!  Coach  Lambert said on the radio that MissColl was clearly the better team...bigger, faster, deeper...(and that one of these years we're going to win one of these games...)   The Scots are not good quitters and I'm proud of the effirt if not the results.

Make us look good!  Win it all!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on March 03, 2007, 11:14:45 PM
If my calculations are correct Lincoln, Guilford, and Virg. Wes are all within 500 miles of each other so MC is the only team that will have to fly. The big question though is where to put the super-regional. Guilford and Lincoln's gyms both hold 2500 while Virg. Wes only holds 1100. Im hopeing that Guilford will get to host for MC's sake. Most likely though they are headed to Norfolk.

Its also interesting that 3 of the 5 teams that got byes lost.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:53:42 AM
In division 3, I look at byes as a way to handle geographic disparities.

In the central part of the country, you have mulitple playoff opponents.  In the south and west, we don't.

For the second year in a row, Miss College has the best ranking in the South and will not host a Sectional.  Why not throw us a bone with a few chances to play before the home folks in the early rounds.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 12:57:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:53:42 AM
In division 3, I look at byes as a way to handle geographic disparities.

In the central part of the country, you have mulitple playoff opponents.  In the south and west, we don't.

For the second year in a row, Miss College has the best ranking in the South and will not host a Sectional.  Why not throw us a bone with a few chances to play before the home folks in the early rounds.  :-\
How do you know they won't host a sectional? Everyone flew out to Puget Sound that one year! They can and have done it when the numbers are that indisputable. There is hope yet friends. :) You've earned it, and I'm definitely rooting for you to get it!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 12:57:35 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:53:42 AM
In division 3, I look at byes as a way to handle geographic disparities.

In the central part of the country, you have mulitple playoff opponents.  In the south and west, we don't.

For the second year in a row, Miss College has the best ranking in the South and will not host a Sectional.  Why not throw us a bone with a few chances to play before the home folks in the early rounds.  :-\
How do you know they won't host a sectional? Everyone flew out to Puget Sound that one year! They can and have done it when the numbers are that indisputable. There is hope yet friends. :) You've earned it, and I'm definitely rooting for you to get it!  ;)

Stevens Point women were using the gym and UPS had better numbers than UW-SP.

They would have had to fly UPS and Sul Ross State somewhere.

I am very pessimistic.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 01:04:04 AM
The video stream spoiled me!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 01:08:38 AM
I know, but I'm determined to believe it's possible ;) I had forgotten about Sul Ross though... yuck... here's hoping for the best!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 01:26:47 AM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 01:08:38 AM
I know, but I'm determined to believe it's possible ;) I had forgotten about Sul Ross though... yuck... here's hoping for the best!


That was a good SRSU team, but they blew a 17 point second half lead and lost in OT! >:(

Oops, I hit the modify and not the quote!  :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 04, 2007, 01:37:59 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 01:26:47 AM
That was a good SRSU team, but they blew a 17 point second half lead and lost in OT! >:(
I know! I was really impressed with how they did... that was one seriously crazy bracket! All the games were super close, and then Point won it all and the teams in that west bracket were really the ones that gave them some of the toughest games!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on March 04, 2007, 01:40:46 PM
Just received word that the sectional will be held at Virginia Wesleyan on Friday.... Lincoln and Guilford play at 6 and Mississippi and VWC play at 8
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 04, 2007, 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 12:53:42 AM
In division 3, I look at byes as a way to handle geographic disparities.

In the central part of the country, you have multiple playoff opponents.  In the south and west, we don't.

For the second year in a row, Miss College has the best ranking in the South and will not host a Sectional.  Why not throw us a bone with a few chances to play before the home folks in the early rounds.  :-\
After I think about it, I think that the SCIAC and NWC schools can be sent just about anywhere.  Money seems to be the name of the game.  Those teams can fly to Boston or Chicago for less money than to Jackson.  Sectional opponents  don't mean that much, it just happens naturally.

Also my experience at MC has taught me of the exposure that the schools get in traveling to different places is really great.  Many fans were asking me about Oxy and the SCIAC schools.  It might fall out as additional applications.  That is one of the benefits of the playoffs.  Very few of the d3 schools have nationally  known names.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 11:23:08 PM
Friends, I made my best case for the ASC and our hosting a Sectional on the 2007 Women's Tourney (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5136.38) board and why I thought the decisions were bad!

Good luck, Choctaws and Lady Jackets!

Go ASC!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 05, 2007, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2007, 11:23:08 PM
Friends, I made my best case for the ASC and our hosting a Sectional on the 2007 Women's Tourney (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5136.38) board and why I thought the decisions were bad!

Good luck, Choctaws and Lady Jackets!

Go ASC!

Ralph,
   Good post. If the ASC did not get a sectional this year, then I seriously doubt we will ever get one which is frustrating. Even though it is not spelled out in the handbook, I had hoped that competitive balance would be considered a little and the NCAA might take the opportunity to expand DIII in this part of the country.

In HPU's case, the attendance  factor would help offset the cost of flying three teams into Brownwood giving the NCAA an opportunity to throw the ASC a bone without losing too much money. Not to mention they have had a tremendous season.

With the Choctaws, it is now two years in a row as the top-ranked South Region team which apparently counts for very little. No disrespect intended to Virginia Wesleyan, they have a great program and I was as excited as anyone to see a South region team win it all last year, but it would have been nice for our campus to experience what they did last year. The atmosphere in the Dome was great last weekend, http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MCvsMaryPhotos.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MCvsMaryPhotos.asp), and we could potentially sell it out (3,500) if we ever had a sectional.

Our game with the Marlins should be a great one Friday night. It's not like they need any help, they are the defending national champions for a reason and the flight makes it that much harder. But I am sure our players will be motivated to prove something with few people giving them much of a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 05, 2007, 09:39:04 AM
What a frustrating thing to see for the ASC.  Good luck this week to both HPU and MC.  It's time to get over the fact that NCAA put it to you guys hard core and show them what we are made of. 

Has a conference ever produced both a men's and woman's national champion on Bball?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 10:10:53 AM
The best finish for the men is the 2000 McMurry team that made it ot the Elite 8 (27-2).

The best finish for the women is the 2006 HSU team (4th place) at 24-7.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 05, 2007, 12:23:41 AM
The atmosphere in the Dome was great last weekend, http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MCvsMaryPhotos.asp (http://www.gochoctaws.com/Sports/mbball/2007/MCvsMaryPhotos.asp), and we could potentially sell it out (3,500) if we ever had a sectional.

Potential sellouts aren't going to help. Even the real sellout at Howard Payne might not help this year, though I'd bet it gets discussed if the opportunity arises in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 05, 2007, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 10:10:53 AM
The best finish for the men is the 2000 McMurry team that made it ot the Elite 8 (27-2).

The best finish for the women is the 2006 HSU team (4th place) at 24-7.

What about from other confereces in the nation?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 02:44:28 PM
Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 05, 2007, 08:26:32 PM
I find it interesting that MC who deserves the hosting bid ove VWC doesn't get it because less teams have to travel this way. I do understand that unlike D1 schools D3 puts more emphasis on the student part of student-athlete, but for at most one week a year when the teams are playing for their school and doing a mighty good job at it, the NCAA should worry more about who deserves what rather than who can go where.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
Quote from: chocsrock34 on March 05, 2007, 08:26:32 PM
I find it interesting that MC who deserves the hosting bid ove VWC doesn't get it because less teams have to travel this way. I do understand that unlike D1 schools D3 puts more emphasis on the student part of student-athlete, but for at most one week a year when the teams are playing for their school and doing a mighty good job at it, the NCAA should worry more about who deserves what rather than who can go where.
Chocsrock34, it is still about money. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 05, 2007, 08:33:50 PM
Somebody has to spend something in order to even have the tournament. MC has earned the hosting bid two straight seasons but we had to go on the road. The NCAA could use money made off tickets if the bigger arenas hosted as well. The money is not what makes the decisions.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 05, 2007, 08:53:41 PM
Au Contraire - the money DOES make the decisions.  Unfortunately, they apparently see ONLY expenses, not potential revenues.  For the men's sectionals, they twice selected the SMALLEST arena (Wa Wes and SJF); I won't even bring up Luther vs. HPU!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: justafan02 on March 06, 2007, 09:19:04 AM
How about this...  I think that VWC and MC shouldn't have to meet in the round of 16 at all.  The #3 and #4 ranked teams meeting in the round of 16 when Lincoln (not ranked) and Guilford #19 (second fiddle to VWC) get each other.  How about that garbage?

I see the arguments about MC not getting to host and agree with all of you that it is unfair.  As a VWC fan, Im not gonna lie, I am glad we get you guys at home.  It is going to be a battle.  For those thinking that people don't give MC a chance..you are crazy.  We know all about MC and how crazy good you guys are.....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 06, 2007, 11:17:05 AM
Quote from: justafan02 on March 06, 2007, 09:19:04 AM
How about this...  I think that VWC and MC shouldn't have to meet in the round of 16 at all.  The #3 and #4 ranked teams meeting in the round of 16 when Lincoln (not ranked) and Guilford #19 (second fiddle to VWC) get each other.  How about that garbage?

Long-time fans of both conferences no doubt recall the Calvin Sectional in the 2000 tournament.  The top 4 teams in the D3Hoops.com poll (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/00/week13.htm), all given first-round byes, were bracketed to meet in the same sectional, and would have if Maryville (TN) hadn't upset #2 Hampden-Sydney in the second round.  Still, that sectional featured #1 Calvin beating #3 Wooster and #4 McMurry en route to the 2000 title.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on March 06, 2007, 11:21:35 AM
On the subject of MC ever hosting a sectional i'm kind of like the PC guy in the commercial, I'm coming to a sad realization. I agree with the pairings of the sectional and am just convinced that the people on the d3 committee are idiots or they just don't care and do very little research into what could happen down the line with what pairings.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 06, 2007, 02:13:54 PM
The only way I ever see it happening is if two ASC schools or one ASC school and a Trinity or Southwestern would both advance to the sectional.  I know it was said on the women's board, but if McMurry had managed to get out of their Far West regional then HPU would have likely gotten to host.  We just happen to be stuck on the wrong end of a numbers game :(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 06, 2007, 09:57:35 PM
What are the expectations of the MC-VWC game. I have MC on top by 12 (hopefully more).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: MC Boy on March 07, 2007, 12:24:29 AM
Chocsrock34 I think MC wins a close one by at least 5.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2007, 12:41:12 AM
On a neutral floor I might go with the 5+.  In Clinton (where it should be) the 12 doesn't sound improbable.  As is, I'd call it a toss-up, and a 'crime' that it is occurring at least one round earlier than it should!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Airborne on March 07, 2007, 08:02:16 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 07, 2007, 12:41:12 AM
On a neutral floor I might go with the 5+.  In Clinton (where it should be) the 12 doesn't sound improbable.  As is, I'd call it a toss-up, and a 'crime' that it is occurring at least one round earlier than it should!
I agree with every word of this, especially that these two teams shouldn't be playing so early in the tournament. But I do think that VWC can be beaten at home, even if it has been a while since that happened. They needed some miracles to pull out a couple of wins at home this year, and against teams significantly less capable than MC. If MC takes it to them and doesn't let up, the VWC fans will be taken out of it. I think that's the best hope for MC; to get a big lead and to not let VWC back into it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Airborne on March 07, 2007, 08:02:55 AM
And, oh yeah... GO CHOCTAWS!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Griffcoach22 on March 07, 2007, 01:01:24 PM
What an absolute joke that the NCAA is too cheap to fly a few teams to Mississippi.  The Chocs have earned the right to host a sweet sixteen several years now and have been overlooked and it is a travesty.  The higher ranked team should host regardless of money and travel.  It will chap some people's butt if MC were to travel up there and whip their tail.  When it comes down to it, the NCAA is just catering to areas of the country.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on March 07, 2007, 01:47:24 PM
I agree with Airborne... I think if MC wins it will be by over 10 points, but if they lose it will be VaWes by less than 5.  I feel very good about MC winning though... they have been impressive in their first two rounds thus far and I think they are hungry to get to the Final 4 and beyond.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on March 07, 2007, 02:01:54 PM
I hope you are right. I won't make any predictions just hope they are ready for a physical game because in the past that is what hurt us in this round because teams were just more physical.  Good luck
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on March 07, 2007, 02:39:07 PM
hey kid no road trip for you
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on March 07, 2007, 06:32:24 PM
are there any MC/ASC fans making the trip to VWC?   MC needs some cheering on their side! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: balls a dunkin on March 07, 2007, 06:45:45 PM
I started a new topic in the Multi-Regional room.  We can move our VWC sectional conversation there
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 07, 2007, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: balls a dunkin on March 07, 2007, 06:32:24 PM
are there any MC/ASC fans making the trip to VWC?   MC needs some cheering on their side! ;D
My family is making the trip.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2007, 12:41:14 AM
NAIA-1 Tourney. (http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030707aae.html)
Wiley and Jarvis Christian make it, but remember, they don't help us in D3!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 09, 2007, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2007, 12:41:14 AM
NAIA-1 Tourney. (http://naia.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030707aae.html)
Wiley and Jarvis Christian make it, but remember, they don't help us in D3!

Yet LETU and ETBU continue to schedule them.  Doesn't make sense to me either. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on March 09, 2007, 11:02:12 PM
I promise if somebody on this board got a d3 game and paid for the travel ETBU would be there.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 11:17:40 PM
The scoreboard indicates a final score tonight of MC 55, VWU 81.  Looks like it was pretty ugly for us.  Anyone follow the game?  What happened?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 09, 2007, 11:43:20 PM
MC played their worst game I have ever seen. But you have to factor in that we played 1000 miles from home against the host team when we deserved the hosting bid. Also, the officiating was ugly. They didn't start calling it fair till we were down by 20. If we had played in Clinton the outcome would have been much different.

I would like to personally thank the NCAA selections committee for ending the Chocs season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 10, 2007, 01:32:46 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 09, 2007, 11:17:40 PM
The scoreboard indicates a final score tonight of MC 55, VWU 81.  Looks like it was pretty ugly for us.  Anyone follow the game?  What happened?
I wanted to take a little while before posting about the game, tough night for the ASC with both the Choctaws and Howard Payne women losing. First off, anyone who was at the game and did not think Virginia Wesleyan was a much better team today would be crazy. They played tremendously and MC was equally bad.

An objective person at the game would say VWC played much more physical than MC and the Choctaws did not handle it well. But it was just their night, Ton Ton Balenga is 1-7 from three but the rest of the team goes 8-13 when they shot 36% for the year. Three role players combined to go 14-18 and score 37 points. The first 15 minutes looked like a draw then they couldn't miss. In the second half the Crowd got into it as VWC hit 18-25 shots and 6-8 three's. But to their credit they kept getting open looks when few teams did that against MC this year.

Having said that, I have seen MC play all year and that is the worst I have seen them for whatever reason. I am not making excuses for them here, but anyone who thinks it isn't a different game if the Choctaws play in front of 3,500 people at home is also crazy. The fact that MC played terrible tonight doesn't change the fact the NCAA gave them the royal shaft for two years in a row.

I wish this drew the same fervor as the CCIW schools getting left out of the tourney did a few weeks ago. That made everyone ready to scrap the selection process, but little is mentioned of geographical proximity ahead of actual merit as a criteria. Everyone already knows how hard it is for DIII athletics to gain importance in the media. As someone who deals with the media in Mississippi, it is hard for me to convince them that the tournament is important when they find out the NCAA sends us to Virginia to save money on travel though they recognize themselves we earned the right to host. On this particular issue, the NCAA leads the charge in creating a perception that DIII is second rate, at least in this area of the country where great seasons are unrewarded to save a buck.

I hope Virginia Wesleyan wins it again and takes advantage of playing at home the rest of the way. It is great for our region. Our players were complimentary of their team and think they are the frontrunners to win it again, I can't argue after seeing them tonight. But it would still be nice to for once play one of these at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 01:37:52 AM
Quote from: etbualum on March 09, 2007, 11:02:12 PM
I promise if somebody on this board got a d3 game and paid for the travel ETBU would be there.

Amazingly, other schools in your league seem to get this done.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 01:46:27 AM
It's gonna be hard to make a claim like that on a 26-point loss, guys. I'm sure it would've been different at home in front of 3,500 fans but Mississippi College hasn't drawn more than 1,900 all year. That's

I think if the ASC goes and wins some national titles then the injustice will draw the same attention that the CCIW and WIAC get. Until then you will definitely get my sympathy but as I said on the show last week, I'm pretty jaded about the whole darn thing.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 10, 2007, 01:58:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 01:46:27 AM
It's gonna be hard to make a claim like that on a 26-point loss, guys. I'm sure it would've been different at home in front of 3,500 fans but Mississippi College hasn't drawn more than 1,900 all year. That's

I think if the ASC goes and wins some national titles then the injustice will draw the same attention that the CCIW and WIAC get. Until then you will definitely get my sympathy but as I said on the show last week, I'm pretty jaded about the whole darn thing.  :-\
Pat,
  We drew 2,500 for the game against Occidental and the same last year to open the regional. I feel sure it would increase substantially to finally get a sectional.
   I understand where you are coming from though, but it was 15 midway through the second half and 19 with a minute left, I don't think that really makes much of a difference though whether it is 15 or 26. By the last 3-4 minutes both teams are playing players who never play.
   But that's the thing, the deck is stacked against this region of the country to ever win a national title. You saw Howard Payne's women play this year, do you think they Puget Sound is better than them? I would bet if you knew they played at home you would pencil them in for Salem.
   But you are right about one thing for sure, one of the men's team will have to do what Hardin-Simmons' women did last year sooner or later to make it a bigger issue.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 10, 2007, 02:00:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 01:46:27 AM
It's gonna be hard to make a claim like that on a 26-point loss, guys. I'm sure it would've been different at home in front of 3,500 fans but Mississippi College hasn't drawn more than 1,900 all year. 
I would be more reluctant to say that if I didn't already know VWC was beaten on the road at UMHB and struggled to beat Hardin-Simmons.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 02:18:30 AM
I didn't see Puget Sound play but I know that Puget Sound and Howard Payne each traveled a great distance and played on a neutral floor and Puget Sound won. Gonna be hard to say otherwise there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 10, 2007, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 02:18:30 AM
I didn't see Puget Sound play but I know that Puget Sound and Howard Payne each traveled a great distance and played on a neutral floor and Puget Sound won. Gonna be hard to say otherwise there.
Pat,
   Don't get me wrong, teams that win in the tourney deserve to win and MC was terrible yesterday. I have not kept up with the women's tourney closely and honestly did not know both teams flew into that sectional. I hate that Howard Payne lost but it seems both teams faced similiar obstacles.
    But still, it really doesn't matter if MC or HPU was beaten 100 points, there is still no justification for the current method of picking sectionals.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 11:07:16 AM
Chris, the NCAA has selected and seeded the field that it can bus.  They do it all of the time and relatively easily.  That field is comprised of the 55 schools that are north and east of St Louis.

The remaining four plane flights that I counted (corrections appreciated) were Whitworth, Oxy, UMHB and then Miss. College for the Sectionals.  In fact, it was 481 miles from Murvul to Washington StL.  The NCAA could have sent Murvul to St Louis, and Whitworth to Clinton, and the field would have still been whittled to one plane flight for the Sweet 16, as I review the field.  (As I said, corrections are appreciated.)  I just gave the 2nd option on creating a bussable bracket.

As for HPU, they made only 7 (seven, VII, sieben, seis) field goals in each half.  UPS took them out of their game.  It's that simple, and on a neutral court (D1 style). ;)

This post-season has not helped us.  If UPS can beat Wash StL on a neutral floor, and then win the Championship, then it would look like a good tourney.

As for the men, I will compile the Playoff records and play particular attention to the road records (bus and plane) in the playoffs.  I was at university function last night so I did not get to see or hear the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 10, 2007, 12:52:55 PM
A while back, I saw a release from the NCAA, part of which was a mention that as a non-profit, all the $$$$ they make goes back into the organization. Seeing as the D1 men's tourney makes more money in one year (net) than the members of this board will in a lifetime, you'd think they could use some of THAT money to fly people around to the good and proper hosts. A true all-neutral-site tourney would be better, but one step at a time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 07:24:56 PM
From the GSAC board,

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 10, 2007, 02:46:40 PM
Mississippi College strong showing in the Sweet 16??? Not even close. They played very disappointingly and got man-handled by Virginia Wesleyan.

It looks like we are back at square one.  Any recent favorable impressions to the outside from our isolated corner of D3 have been ripped asunder by the voice of D3Hoopsville.

Mississippi College may match up well in the conference, and they may be able to dominate their home court, but the men's side of the conference has nothing to show for its efforts on the national scene. :(

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 10, 2007, 10:36:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 07:24:56 PM
From the GSAC board,

Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 10, 2007, 02:46:40 PM
Mississippi College strong showing in the Sweet 16??? Not even close. They played very disappointingly and got man-handled by Virginia Wesleyan.

It looks like we are back at square one.  Any recent favorable impressions to the outside from our isolated corner of D3 have been ripped asunder by the voice of D3Hoopsville.
:(
Ralph,
   So you think we are back at square one because of one game, I don't even know how to respond to that. Dave McHugh has seen MC play one time this year and they did not handle the more physical game very well, he's right and I thought the same thing. I can't argue with his analysis at all, I saw the same thing. But the difference in the game was a 24-5 run by VWC in the final four minutes of the first half and first four of the second half. MC went from down three to down 22 and the game was over, they could not get back in it.

   But the coaches and players don't have to apologize or defend themselves to anyone. MC is one of three teams in the country to reach the last three sweet sixteen's and I am sure everyone is aware the only one of the three not to host one. Amherst has hosted three in a row losing once in the round of sixteen and making two final fours. St. John Fisher has hosted one and reached one elite eight.

   The Choctaws lost to a team that is the favorite to win their second straight national title, that is not exactly the end of the world. I wish they had played better on the road and am still dumbfounded how the game ever got that out of hand, but it happened. It was very reminiscent of the UT-Dallas game a few years ago.

   If you can't find positive advances of the ASC this year then you are trying really hard to find the negatives. MC reached the highest ranking of any ASC team ever at #3. They completely dominated the best team from the Mid-Atlantic region, Johns Hopkins, on a neutral floor. They destroyed Occidental and Maryville, two other quality teams outside our conference. I know Occidental was missing their top player but anyone who was there saw they were completely outmatched. UMHB beat the possible two-time national champions in a home game and became just the 4th ASC team to ever earn a national ranking after UTD also earned a ranking this year. The ASC also had three of the top eight South Region teams in the final regional rankings.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2007, 07:24:56 PM
Mississippi College may match up well in the conference, and they may be able to dominate their home court, but the men's side of the conference has nothing to show for its efforts on the national scene. :(
MC is 32-1 at home the last two years and 24-4 away from home. I would think most teams would take 24-4 on the road. As far as the men having nothing to show on the national scene comment, I guess UMHB's win over Virginia Wesleyan was meaningless and MC's beating of Johns Hopkins also of little consequence this year.

I would have loved to see MC win the national championship this year but one loss does not completely dismiss an entire year of improvement. Don't join in with everyone else who try to paint a picture that if MC could not get past the round of sixteen then the ASC had a miserable year. By that logic the CCIW was overrated all year since Augustana could not get out of the first round. Step back and see the bigger picture, that the conference has made major improvements and will have to be good enough to go on the road and beat top-ranked teams on their home courts in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 10, 2007, 10:36:15 PM
   If you can't find positive advances of the ASC this year then you are trying really hard to find the negatives. MC reached the highest ranking of any ASC team ever at #3. They completely dominated the best team from the Mid-Atlantic region, Johns Hopkins, on a neutral floor. They destroyed Occidental and Maryville, two other quality teams outside our conference. I know Occidental was missing their top player but anyone who was there saw they were completely outmatched. UMHB beat the possible two-time national champions in a home game and became just the 4th ASC team to ever earn a national ranking after UTD also earned a ranking this year. The ASC also had three of the top eight South Region teams in the final regional rankings.

Lincoln and Catholic will each argue your anointing of Johns Hopkins as the best team in the Mid-Atlantic region. Alvernia might have an argument as well.

But the ASC needs to aim higher than beating the No. 3 team from the No. 6 region. And with the conference's runner-up gifted a favorable matchup in the first round, it needs to come through.

I've seen good teams get manhandled in the Sweet 16 before. I also remember telling people after I saw MC in person in November that I could comfortably see Mississippi College as high as No. 13.

Although they did climb much higher, that number seems fairly reasonable now as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 11, 2007, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 12:53:09 PM
Lincoln and Catholic will each argue your anointing of Johns Hopkins as the best team in the Mid-Atlantic region. Alvernia might have an argument as well.

But the ASC needs to aim higher than beating the No. 3 team from the No. 6 region. And with the conference's runner-up gifted a favorable matchup in the first round, it needs to come through.

I've seen good teams get manhandled in the Sweet 16 before. I also remember telling people after I saw MC in person in November that I could comfortably see Mississippi College as high as No. 13.

Although they did climb much higher, that number seems fairly reasonable now as well.
Pat,
   I see you didn't bother to mention UMHB's win over the defending national champions, I would probably consider that to be higher than beating the no. 3 team from the no. 6 region. Unlike other conferences, you seem to wipe out all positives about the ASC with one bad game.

Would you say you overhyped the CCIW all season and the NCAA got it right by putting one CCIW team in the tournament due to their opening round loss at HOME to Carroll who came from a Midwest Conference league you said was weak.  If the only thing that matters is performance in the NCAA Tournament then that would seem like reasonable logic.

I know everyone is using MC's terrible loss to VWC as ammunition right now but there is no way MC is 26 points worse, nowhere near. Everything went wrong for the Choctaws and VWC shot the ball like they haven't all season. Even the VWC fans are saying that was by far their best performance of the season and I give them credit for that. But it was also MC's worst game which I know VWC had a lot to do with. But there is no way you or anyone else can say they know how that game turns out if it is played at MC.

Not that it matters, but coaches conceded the win down 19 with between two and three minutes remaining. VWC scored the last seven points. If it is a 15 point loss does that make it better. I don't think it matters and I am sure coaches didn't either.

As for Johns Hopkins, I was actually using your poll which had them as the top Middle Atlantic team all year and also the top team entering the tournament. If you are ready to completely discredit that then go ahead. I was responding to a post that said the ASC did nothing against out of region teams this year which was incorrect. I don't remember anything in my post saying that was the pinnacle of our ambition.

In the last nine years, the ASC has put three different teams in the Sweet Sixteen a total of seven times with one in the Elite Eight. The league has only been here a little over a decade but is making improvement. I am sure it gets old hearing our constant complaining about travel in the tourney but it is no less valid. If the conference had an opportunity to host just a few of those sectionals it is well within reason to think teams would have gone further.

I am not saying the ASC right now is a dominant league in the country, but it is improving and does deserve more credit than it is given. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 04:14:45 PM
Good afternoon, Chris!

This is my first chance to sit at the computer.  I am happy that Pat has already contributed to this discussion.

Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 11, 2007, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 12:53:09 PM
Lincoln and Catholic will each argue your anointing of Johns Hopkins as the best team in the Mid-Atlantic region. Alvernia might have an argument as well.

But the ASC needs to aim higher than beating the No. 3 team from the No. 6 region. And with the conference's runner-up gifted a favorable matchup in the first round, it needs to come through.

I am glad to hear his assessment of the Mid-Atlantic Region...6th strongest Region.

I've seen good teams get manhandled in the Sweet 16 before. I also remember telling people after I saw MC in person in November that I could comfortably see Mississippi College as high as No. 13.

Although they did climb much higher, that number seems fairly reasonable now as well.

#13 means that Miss College deserves to be in the Sweet 16, just not close enough to break thru to the Elite 8, yet.
Pat,
   I see you didn't bother to mention UMHB's win over the defending national champions, I would probably consider that to be higher than beating the no. 3 team from the no. 6 region. Unlike other conferences, you seem to wipe out all positives about the ASC with one bad game.


Chris, I am hearing Pat Coleman saying that beating VWC once 1500 miles from home is good, but UMHB's losing on a friendly neutral court to a Maryville TN team that he probably anticipated it should have defeated neutralized that VWC win.

Would you say you overhyped the CCIW all season and the NCAA got it right by putting one CCIW team in the tournament due to their opening round loss at HOME to Carroll who came from a Midwest Conference league you said was weak?  If the only thing that matters is performance in the NCAA Tournament then that would seem like reasonable logic.

I would not say that Pat overhyped the CCIW.  I think that everyone on the national level, who have seen the CCIW teams on numerous occasions in the Final Four, were waiting for a CCIW team to put it together, the same chance to put it together that Miss College was getting with its rankings thru out the year.  I don't necessarily think that it was Pat who was voting JHU as highly as they were being voted.  I think that the Mid-Atlantic Region is riding a historical wave of good feeling.  Catholic was the National Champion in 2001.  Lincoln was extemely competitive.  IMHO, JHU was just floating along.

I know everyone is using MC's terrible loss to VWC as ammunition right now but there is no way MC is 26 points worse, nowhere near. Everything went wrong for the Choctaws and VWC shot the ball like they haven't all season. Even the VWC fans are saying that was by far their best performance of the season and I give them credit for that. But it was also MC's worst game which I know VWC had a lot to do with. But there is no way you or anyone else can say they know how that game turns out if it is played at MC.

Not that it matters, but coaches conceded the win down 19 with between two and three minutes remaining. VWC scored the last seven points. If it is a 15 point loss does that make it better. I don't think it matters and I am sure coaches didn't either.

Even a 15-point loss is not making a case for our standard-bearer to break thru to the next echelon.

As for Johns Hopkins, I was actually using your poll which had them as the top Middle Atlantic team all year and also the top team entering the tournament. If you are ready to completely discredit that then go ahead. I was responding to a post that said the ASC did nothing against out of region teams this year which was incorrect. I don't remember anything in my post saying that was the pinnacle of our ambition.

In the last nine years, the ASC has put three different teams in the Sweet Sixteen a total of seven times with one in the Elite Eight. The league has only been here a little over a decade but is making improvement. I am sure it gets old hearing our constant complaining about travel in the tourney but it is no less valid. If the conference had an opportunity to host just a few of those sectionals it is well within reason to think teams would have gone further.

I am not saying the ASC right now is a dominant league in the country, but it is improving and does deserve more credit than it is given. 

The travel will always be a factor.  The style of play is one thing that we still have not figured out.  That was the thought behind my Maryville thought.

I posted earlier that Great Lakes style of play was Miss College's nemesis and I thought that going up the Mid-Atlantic seaboard was a break for us.  It wasn't.  We must be able to emulate that a style of play, or find a style that will handle the styles that we see in the Sweet 16 games where we are 1-6.

The ODAC is the best conference in the South Region.  We are number 2, and slightly ahead of the SCAC.  Maryville gets the asterisk for all of their consecutive tourney appearances from Pool B.

The Power Conferences in this decade, for whatever misnomer that may be seem to be, include the NESCAC, the ODAC, the OAC, the WIAC, the "NCAC-2", the MIAA, the CCIW, and the UAA.  They are my top quintile.

We have actually had 5 teams reach the Top 25 now, SRSU.  (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/04/final.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 11, 2007, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 12:53:09 PM
Lincoln and Catholic will each argue your anointing of Johns Hopkins as the best team in the Mid-Atlantic region. Alvernia might have an argument as well.

But the ASC needs to aim higher than beating the No. 3 team from the No. 6 region. And with the conference's runner-up gifted a favorable matchup in the first round, it needs to come through.

I've seen good teams get manhandled in the Sweet 16 before. I also remember telling people after I saw MC in person in November that I could comfortably see Mississippi College as high as No. 13.

Although they did climb much higher, that number seems fairly reasonable now as well.
Pat,
   I see you didn't bother to mention UMHB's win over the defending national champions, I would probably consider that to be higher than beating the no. 3 team from the no. 6 region. Unlike other conferences, you seem to wipe out all positives about the ASC with one bad game.

Chris,

I felt the need to debunk your inaccurate characterization of the Mid-Atlantic. Since your assessment of UMHB/VWC contained no inaccuracies, I didn't mention it.

Final results of the Mid-Atlantic region suggest otherwise, don't they? And I think at every opportunity I disagreed VERY publicly with Johns Hopkins ranking. I am very much on the record about that, even in this board. You shouldn't have to ask the question.

I do think you may be ascribing Dave McHugh's opinions to me. However -- what he said was that MC "played very disappointingly and got man-handled by Virginia Wesleyan."

I didn't read him say "the ASC is overrated" or "MC is overrated." He stated a pretty defensible position. It seems you are trying to turn that into ASC-against-the-world and I don't see where that is warranted here.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 04:26:07 PM
UT-Dallas' good fortune was to have defeated UT-Arlington before the Abilene road trip! ;)

We need teams to scheudle aggressively around the nation.  A non-region game still exposes players to other styles of play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:27:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 10, 2007, 01:58:29 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 01:46:27 AM
It's gonna be hard to make a claim like that on a 26-point loss, guys. I'm sure it would've been different at home in front of 3,500 fans but Mississippi College hasn't drawn more than 1,900 all year. That's

I think if the ASC goes and wins some national titles then the injustice will draw the same attention that the CCIW and WIAC get. Until then you will definitely get my sympathy but as I said on the show last week, I'm pretty jaded about the whole darn thing.  :-\
Pat,
  We drew 2,500 for the game against Occidental and the same last year to open the regional. I feel sure it would increase substantially to finally get a sectional.


I apologize. I was using the stats on your site. Are you prepared to completely discredit them? :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 11, 2007, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 04:26:07 PM
We need teams to schedule aggressively around the nation.  A non-region game still exposes players to other styles of play.
I agree, but the ASC exposure as you would like is almost nonexistent and difficult to realize with the limited number of non-ASC games available.   The same is true for the SCIAC teams who get visits by snowbird teams, but rarely travel to hostile venues in other parts of the country.  I like the style of play in the ASC,  but going to venues where the style is more aggressive and the refs are lenient make for a perfect storm against the ASC. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 11, 2007, 05:00:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:27:59 PM
I apologize. I was using the stats on your site. Are you prepared to completely discredit them? :)
My statkeeper forgot to add the attendance to the Occidental boxscore so I probably would completely discredit the stats. That is exactly the same thing as me using the D3hoops Poll and Regional Rankings for saying Johns Hopkins was the top Middle Atlantic team this year.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
Chris,

I felt the need to debunk your inaccurate characterization of the Mid-Atlantic. Since your assessment of UMHB/VWC contained no inaccuracies, I didn't mention it.

Final results of the Mid-Atlantic region suggest otherwise, don't they? And I think at every opportunity I disagreed VERY publicly with Johns Hopkins ranking. I am very much on the record about that, even in this board. You shouldn't have to ask the question.
I hope you are not taking this the wrong way, I am not frustrated with you but with the NCAA process right now. It would be nice if our conference had the added advantage of home games but you and I know that is not gonna happen. I did read your post that the ASC has to aim higher than beating the No. 3 team from the No. 6 region as a slam and also inaccurate. If that was not the case then I apologize. Our coaches did exactly what you would like them to do by scheduling a team out of region that they thought would be among the best in the country. The UMHB win over VWC was huge and I was merely pointing out that we did have a bigger win than the Hopkins win.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
Final results of the Mid-Atlantic region suggest otherwise, don't they? And I think at every opportunity I disagreed VERY publicly with Johns Hopkins ranking. I am very much on the record about that, even in this board. You shouldn't have to ask the question.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Johns Hopkins was knocked out by Guilford, a team from a stronger south region. Guilford also knocked out Lincoln. The Lincoln team I watched was better than the Hopkins team, but Hopkins had a better season. I have seen you mention several times you thought Johns Hopkins was ranked too highly. Either way, it was still a good win for our conference to have MC beat them so easily.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
I do think you may be ascribing Dave McHugh's opinions to me. However -- what he said was that MC "played very disappointingly and got man-handled by Virginia Wesleyan."

I didn't read him say "the ASC is overrated" or "MC is overrated." He stated a pretty defensible position. It seems you are trying to turn that into ASC-against-the-world and I don't see where that is warranted here.
I don't disagree with Dave, I just wished he had seen us play a better game. I would have said the same thing. I am just trying to point out that one game does not make a season. In my opinion you can't say the Elite Eight are the eight best teams in the country or the Final Four the best four. No more than I though George Mason was a top four DI team when they reached the final four. In the tournament, teams are beaten by lesser teams all the time but it is a one and done format which makes it so compelling.

And for the record, I don't think the CCIW is overrated but using them as an example. If the only time I watched Augustana play was when they were beaten at home by Carroll I probably would have thought they were also overrated, but I can use their entire season to know they are a better team than that. The same can be said for MC who had a great season and still only lost twice to DIII teams all year in a league that is not a pushover.

You are probably right though, I might be too sensitive regarding the ASC. But I will defend it when I think it is necessary. I don't think you would agree with this, but in my opinion MC would have certainly been capable of reaching the last two Final Fours if we had played at home all the way to Salem, just like 5 of the 8 Final Four teams the last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 11, 2007, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 04:26:07 PM
We need teams to schedule aggressively around the nation.  A non-region game still exposes players to other styles of play.
I agree, but the ASC exposure as you would like is almost nonexistent and difficult to realize with the limited number of non-ASC games available.   The same is true for the SCIAC teams who get visits by snowbird teams, but rarely travel to hostile venues in other parts of the country.  I like the style of play in the ASC,  but going to venues where the style is more aggressive and the refs are lenient make for a perfect storm against the ASC

Great point, Gray Fox! Let's repeat that more boldly and louder! +1!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 11, 2007, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 11, 2007, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 04:26:07 PM
We need teams to schedule aggressively around the nation.  A non-region game still exposes players to other styles of play.
I agree, but the ASC exposure as you would like is almost nonexistent and difficult to realize with the limited number of non-ASC games available.   The same is true for the SCIAC teams who get visits by snowbird teams, but rarely travel to hostile venues in other parts of the country.  I like the style of play in the ASC,  but going to venues where the style is more aggressive and the refs are lenient make for a perfect storm against the ASC. 
I agree completely with the ASC struggling with style of play which is why I put so much emphasis on getting home games in the tournament. As someone who has seen MC beaten by more physical teams in the tournament, I can see how Virginia Wesleyan won it last year because they play a very similiar style. They have Adair down low and their guards play very physical on defense despite being undersized.

A perfect example, VWC's 6'0" guards consistently knocked MC's 6'8" guard Timothy Broomfield 5-10 feet off the block by getting underneath him and walking him out. I doubt that happens at an ASC venue because refs don't let you push players off the block after they get position. It makes a huge difference in the dynamics of the game.

In year's past the physical play hurt MC more with the big guys, this year the guard play was extremely physical and the officials let the players play. Except for one odd trip midway through the second half where the officials whistled the VWC guards three times for physical play in the post, I can't remember another foul called. Not saying they were bad calls, but it is what it is. Games are called much closer in this part of the country.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 11, 2007, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 11, 2007, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 04:26:07 PM
We need teams to schedule aggressively around the nation.  A non-region game still exposes players to other styles of play.
I agree, but the ASC exposure as you would like is almost nonexistent and difficult to realize with the limited number of non-ASC games available.   The same is true for the SCIAC teams who get visits by snowbird teams, but rarely travel to hostile venues in other parts of the country.  I like the style of play in the ASC,  but going to venues where the style is more aggressive and the refs are lenient make for a perfect storm against the ASC. 
I agree completely with the ASC struggling with style of play which is why I put so much emphasis on getting home games in the tournament. As someone who has seen MC beaten by more physical teams in the tournament, I can see how Virginia Wesleyan won it last year because they play a very similiar style. They have Adair down low and their guards play very physical on defense despite being undersized.

A perfect example, VWC's 6'0" guards consistently knocked MC's 6'8" guard Timothy Broomfield 5-10 feet off the block where MC would have had a distinct advantage. I doubt that happens at an ASC venue because refs don't let you push players off the block after they get position. It makes a huge difference in the dynamics of the game.
Then you can point out that to Dave McHugh as a style that is foreign to the ASC!  That becomes huge!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 11, 2007, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 06:29:10 PM
Then you can point out that to Dave McHugh as a style that is foreign to the ASC!  That becomes huge!  :)
Ralph,
    It was good to get a chance to meet Dave, he seems like a great guy and I was glad he asked me to work the first game with him. I don't blame him for his opinion of the game though, I thought the same thing watching the game, bit I have the luxury of having seen MC all season and did not think the 81-55 score was indicative of the game. MC was down 34-25 at the half before VWC went nuts in the second half and opened with a 15-2 run. The Choctaws had to start pressing and trapping with over ten minutes left, which is something they have not done all year, and that is how VWC ended up with 81 points.
    Don't misunderstand, physical play is not the only reason MC lost. Those guys are very hard to guard, but they wouldn't have scored 81 if MC had not started pressing. The Choctaws struggled more on the offensive end where the officials let them get banged around pretty good. To put in perspective, that was the most physical game I have seen MC play all season but there were just five combined free throws shot in the first half and nine in the first 30 minutes for both teams. 13 of the game's 22 total free throw attempts came in the final ten minutes. It's just a different brand of basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 07:29:00 PM
Chris, have you ever seen McMurry try to play that physical-brand of ball?  Or push the refereeing to approach that style of permissive officiating?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 11, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 07:29:00 PM
Chris, have you ever seen McMurry try to play that physical-brand of ball?  Or push the refereeing to approach that style of permissive officiating?
I think McMurry is one of the more physical teams in the league and I know what you are saying. For several years there McMurry was just daring the officials to make calls. But the only difference is this, in those games the teams almost always combined to shoot 50 or more free throws.

The other night against VWC there were just 9 total free throws attempted by both teams in the first 30 minutes and the play was as physical as I have seen all season, particularly the guard play in the post where the officials pretty much let anything go.

I posted this on the top 25 board for perspective, in our conference tournament there were an average of 52 free throws taken each game. Compare that to the 22 in the Virginia Wesleyan game with 13 in the last ten minutes and you get an idea of how different it is.

I don't think our players are soft down here at all. But it is hard to quickly adjust to a very physical style when you have been conditioned all season that certain things are fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 09:23:11 PM
Chris, I think that you have done more to highlight this issue than anything else we have tried.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 11, 2007, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 11, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 07:29:00 PM
Chris, have you ever seen McMurry try to play that physical-brand of ball?  Or push the refereeing to approach that style of permissive officiating?
I don't think our players are soft down here at all. But it is hard to quickly adjust to a very physical style when you have been conditioned all season that certain things are fouls.
I think this is the heart of the problem.  A home game for the best seed would do much to eliminate the problem.  It would be almost like a proper seeding to begin with.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2007, 10:54:56 PM
I am not going to try and "quote" all that has been said, but let me say the following regarding Mississippi College.

I went into the game giving them a ton of respect and realizing that while I hadn't seen them, everything I was seeing, reading, and analyzing told me they were a DANGEROUS team. The game they played disappointed me. It certainly made me think twice about how good they are and the ASC, but I didn't immediately think to myself... jeez - what was the hype about? That second guess would be natural after that game and I would bet even Chris had that thought.

Now, I realize that a team can have a bad game at a bad time. I also realize that VWC is playing better this year than I think they were playing at this time last year (and I have seen them at this time both seasons). Watching MC play I was more confused and bewildered to why they couldn't have more success. I saw in their height and style of play in the first half how they could dominate teams and force teams to shoot horribly against them. I had to consider whether the travel had something to do with it, but I feel the fact it's win or go home and it is the Sweet 16... teams need to be ready to play. And I think VWC was better prepared - especially after the halftime. (Of course, MC did get at least an extra hour of rest before the game - thanks to Guilford and Lincoln :)).

That being said, the comment about the guards being allowed to push MC out of the blocks is an interesting point. I knew the refs calling that game - one of them very well - and being the fact they are from the Mid-Atlantic, they are known for calling lots of ticky-tack stuff in the paint one minute and nothing the next. However, they called a rather consistent game and MC needed to adjust and didn't. I was also baffled why guys like Broomfield didn't try to go to the paint more often, especially when points were coming at a premium and outside shooting was cold.

The other thing came with MC's defense. They only allowed an average of 36% from the field this season... until Friday night. VWC shot 58% for the game and 72% in the second half. And it isn't like they were throwing up prayers that were falling... they were taking wide open shots. MC seemed confused on defense or maybe just set to stop Adair and got killed by many other players getting hot on that particular night.

Again, it was the first time I saw MC and while I was disappointed, I know what they accomplished all season and wouldn't take that one game and say they were only as good as a team like Lake Erie was who also had a great record, but certainly wasn't that good a team. That being said... I was disappointed for two reasons... they had a chance to make a statement and did the exact opposite. I was also disappointed for a conference I know is dying for some more respect and recognition. This was a great chance that slipped away.

I still stand behind my statement that I was disappointed and the fact MC got man-handled my VWC. I am not saying they are a horrible team or the ASC is bad because of it. Simply to the comment that was made... they didn't not stand strong or represent that well Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 11, 2007, 11:15:53 PM
Dave,
   Thanks for posting. I enjoyed doing the broadcast for the first game which turned out to be arguably one of the best college basketball games ever played. I owe you one for the invite.

I was dumbfounded at our performance, especially considering that the first 15 minutes were pretty much a draw and then the wheels fell off. Down just nine at the half, I certainly thought MC could come back but I never would have imagined the second half going as it did.

I thought the very physical nature of the game broke MC down at the end of the first half and start of the second which decided the game. With just five free throws in the first half, you could tell early the officials were going to let the players play. I didn't think they were favoring anyone, just letting a lot of things go.

Regarding MC's bigger guards posting up. You might disagree with this, but down on the court taking pictures the play in the post was extremely physical with the VWC guards doing a good job of simply muscling the MC players off the post. I can remember several occasions in which Broomfield would be near the block and end up closer to the wing player trying to throwe the entry pass.

There is not as much of that in the ASC. Officials are quicker with the whistle as you can see with the high free throw totals in our tournament, more than 50 per game.

Hopefully we can reload this offseason and give it another shot next year. Thanks again for letting me help you out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2007, 11:16:26 PM
Dave, thanks for coming to our message board and explaining your position.  Your opinion is highly valued because of your national perspective on D3.  You have explained yourself very well.

We ASC fans placed all of our eggs in the "Clinton basket", and we did not do well at all.  UMHB was one and done to a very beatable Maryville, and then the #3 team in the country fell in the next round.

QuoteThat being said... I was disappointed for two reasons... they had a chance to make a statement and did the exact opposite. I was also disappointed for a conference I know is dying for some more respect and recognition. This was a great chance that slipped away.

The geographic isolation hurts.  The failed opportunities, as rarely as we get them, hurt.  The two teams that had earned the most national acclaim (Miss Coll vs JHU and Westmont and UMHB vs VWC) did not produce when we needed them to, and to build on the reputation that they had started.

The questions about the inability to adapt in the game are even more perplexing. :-\

Well, we need to go back to the drawing boards.  Coaches need to schedule quality D3 games on the national level and we need to re-double our efforts.

Have fun in Salem! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2007, 11:31:11 PM
Chris - the email has not been sent yet - but I will publically thank you as well for your assistance. First off, it was Pat's idea and I am glad he suggested contacting you. It was a pleasure to have you beside me for honestly the best game I have seen (though Pat did remind me of the Williams/Stevens Point National Championship game a few years back).

I don't think I would have gotten through that game without someone to talk with about it :)! I am just sorry you couldn't be there for the next day!

By the way, for everyone out there... I have been on this board a lot... I just tend to read and not post. Something I am slowly changing everywhere (thus the low post count :)).

I would agree physicallity had a LOT to do with VWC's win... but MC also just looked flat late in the first half and into the second half. VWC just had more fire... and it showed everywhere.

Also, I am sorry MC didn't get a chance to watch Guilford vs. Virginia Wesleyan. While the Quakers were exhausted from the night before... I don't think one person left that gym Saturday night saying Guilford didn't give 110%. I think everyone would have enjoyed the game as well.

Ralph - I couldn't agree with you more. I think the ASC needs to just take a look at itself and its teams and say... ok... we keep hitting the same wall. What do we need to do to bust through this. I hope it happens. If not.. the conference will only go backwards (it has happened to others).

I plan to enjoy Salem... and only wish some of you would make the trip - even if your team(s) isn't there!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2007, 11:59:53 PM
OK all this talk about the physical play in the MissCollege and VWU game and the ASC's difficulties with that style prompts a question.  I was not at the Golden Dome and only heard the Maryville-Mississippi game on the radio (announcers very pro-Maryville) so here is the question:  Maryville had (some) trouble against MHBU with the touchy officiating (I am choosing to ignore all the assumptions that Maryville's beating MHBU was some kind of mistake) and then got pushed around a good bit the next night by Mississippi, with the officials seeming to let it go.

Anybody see the games able to comment on officiating styles and the physical nature of the two games?

I am not offering an excuse for Maryville's getting beat by the Choctaws, but I am curious if the MissColl-Maryville game was atypical or the MHBU-Maryville one.  Or something else.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 12, 2007, 12:22:32 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 11, 2007, 11:59:53 PM
OK all this talk about the physical play in the MissCollege and VWU game and the ASC's difficulties with that style prompts a question.  I was not at the Golden Dome and only heard the Maryville-Mississippi game on the radio (announcers very pro-Maryville) so here is the question:  Maryville had (some) trouble against MHBU with the touchy officiating (I am choosing to ignore all the assumptions that Maryville's beating MHBU was some kind of mistake) and then got pushed around a good bit the next night by Mississippi, with the officials seeming to let it go.

Anybody see the games able to comment on officiating styles and the physical nature of the two games?

I am not offering an excuse for Maryville's getting beat by the Choctaws, but I am curious if the MissColl-Maryville game was atypical or the MHBU-Maryville one.  Or something else.
Scottie,
   I do remember a lot of fouls in your first game, there were nearly 50 if I remember correctly. Maryville played well in that game. I thought UMHB had a solid team going into that game. Kevin Guyden is the best in the ASC at drawing fouls. I am pretty sure he led the league and has a way of getting you out of position and forcing the contact.

   In the Mississippi College game, there were still 40 fouls called. I just thought Maryville was a bit outmatched this year. Honestly, Bradley Blair played an unbelievable game to keep you guys in it. No one else really did much but he was outstanding. I don't remember the free throws being that out of the ordinary until the last ten minutes or so when Maryville was trying to force turnovers all over the court.

   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 12:26:56 AM
ASC Statistical Leaders:

FREE THROW PCT (Min. 2.5 made per game)
## Player-Team               Cl  G   FTM   FTA   Pct
----------------------------------------------------
1.Kevin Guyden-UMHB........ SR 28   164   182  .901
2.D.J. Jones-MC............ SR 30   120   140  .857
3.Travis Carruthers-UTD.... SR 26    89   104  .856
4.Zach Pickelman-HSU....... SR 28   124   146  .849
5.Nate Walton-TLU.......... SO 24    82    99  .828
6.Joel McDonald-CUA........ SO 26   118   145  .814
7.Michael Dinkins-HSU...... FR 27    79    98  .806
8.Art Gonzalez-SRSU........ JR 23    70    87  .805
9.J.C. Herebia-TLU......... FR 24    76    95  .800
10.Alvin Stevens-MCM........ JR 27    84   111  .757
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 12, 2007, 12:30:33 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 11, 2007, 11:31:11 PM
Chris - the email has not been sent yet - but I will publically thank you as well for your assistance. First off, it was Pat's idea and I am glad he suggested contacting you. It was a pleasure to have you beside me for honestly the best game I have seen (though Pat did remind me of the Williams/Stevens Point National Championship game a few years back).

Thanks a lot, I enjoyed it. Tell Pat I appreciate it and hope he does not think I was trying to single him out on the boards this weekend. It's been a frustrating weekend which just exaggerated frustration already there regarding our having to travel to another sectional. With all of the talk about MC not getting past the sweet sixteen, I just did not want the accomplishments of this year's seniors to be overlooked after they have gone 56-5 the last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 09:08:16 AM
I strongly encouarge all ASC fans to read Gregory Sager's insight into the physical play/officiating debate we are having.  He brings a perspective from the CCIW and Chicagoland teams that he sees. :)

Click here and please scroll to the very bottom of the page. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4097.2714)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 12, 2007, 10:51:10 AM
It's obvious that finishing in the top 16 in the country is quite an accomplishment but it is starting to be view as somewhat of an unsuccessful season at MC.  I'm curious to know what others think it will take for MC to reach the final 4 or the championship game.

I only saw MC once this year and it was a preseason scrimmage against Millsaps so my impression is extremely limited.  My thought then was that the strongest element of the team was their depth.  Certainly the first 8-10 were strong enough to beat most teams in the country in a conventional game of basketball, but the the elite teams could match the talent level of MC.  I'm not sure how many teams could match the depth of the MC bench.

Assuming that MC will reload with about 10 juco players and a couple of freshmen, I wonder if they need to go all out to that "40 minutes of Hell" style that Nolan Richardson used during his heyday at Arkansas.  It would utilize the MC depth and it would be a style that would be hard to prepare for by NCAA opponents.  Not having seen MC play any regular season games this year, I will have to assume that they are already playing an up-tempo style but maybe they need to bump it up to a hyper-tempo style of play.

Any thoughts from Chris or Ralph or those who know far more than me about basketball in general and MC in specific?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 12, 2007, 10:59:00 AM
Wow - been an interesting week with all the posts.  The one thing I do say about the ASC posting section is that is more civil than most other boards, which makes it enjoyable.

With that being said, isn't funny how NCAA D1 schools have the same beef that NCAA D3 schools are having?  Take Texas A&M, arguably one of the best teams in the country looking at taking on Louisville in the 2nd round in Lexington.  Tell me that's fair.  Why not put UK vs. TAMU in the first round to congratulate them on a fine season.  My point is, the NCAA hasn't figured this out and it's obvious.  Every year we are going to have these issues.

I don't think VWC is 25 points better than MC.  If anyone thinks that, they're a fool.  VWC had a huge advantage being at home - an advantaged that they used well.  MC got screwed.  However, there has to be a point where you buckle up, accept the fact that you got screwed, and go out on the court and prove your ranking.  MC played horribly, and give credit where credit is due, VWC was the better team that night, but they are not 25 points better than MC.  Any athlete knows that it's tough to play on the road, especially to one of the best teams in the nation.  

I don't think that there can ever be a true rankings of who the best conferences are until conferences start mixing it up and playing one another.  And I don't see that happening any time soon.  Anyways, congrats to Mississippi College for a great season.  While some may considered them to have "choked", we still shouldn't take away from their accomplishments this year.  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 12, 2007, 12:30:33 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 11, 2007, 11:31:11 PM
Chris - the email has not been sent yet - but I will publically thank you as well for your assistance. First off, it was Pat's idea and I am glad he suggested contacting you. It was a pleasure to have you beside me for honestly the best game I have seen (though Pat did remind me of the Williams/Stevens Point National Championship game a few years back).

Thanks a lot, I enjoyed it. Tell Pat I appreciate it and hope he does not think I was trying to single him out on the boards this weekend. It's been a frustrating weekend which just exaggerated frustration already there regarding our having to travel to another sectional. With all of the talk about MC not getting past the sweet sixteen, I just did not want the accomplishments of this year's seniors to be overlooked after they have gone 56-5 the last two years.

I'm not offended.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 12:38:21 PM
Bearkat, you have to be one of the ASC's "all-Newcomer Posters" this season.  You provided timely information, hyperlinks and great insight to the games that you saw.

Thanks, and +1!  :)

And I took editorial license to "spellcheck" your previous post concerning Virginia Wesleyan College!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 12, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
Chris:  Thanks for the insights.  The sense I got from the radio version of the MC-MC game was that the Scots were getting pushed and hacked in ways that the night before were called fouls.

Coach Lambert refused to make much of it, saying that in a game like that, his team needed ALL the calls, which of course they were not going to get!

Bradley Blair was Maryville's best player for the last third of the year, in my opinion.  Too bad he did not have four years of coaching at MC (he transferred in as a Soph).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 12, 2007, 01:05:38 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 12, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
Chris:  Thanks for the insights.  The sense I got from the radio version of the MC-MC game was that the Scots were getting pushed and hacked in ways that the night before were called fouls.

Coach Lambert refused to make much of it, saying that in a game like that, his team needed ALL the calls, which of course they were not going to get!

Bradley Blair was Maryville's best player for the last third of the year, in my opinion.  Too bad he did not have four years of coaching at MC (he transferred in as a Soph).

Scottie,
   At the time I did not think the officiating was bad either way, except for the call at the end of the first half that got Coach Lambert so upset. If history is an indicator, we might get a chance to match up again next year for the fourth year in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocsrock34 on March 12, 2007, 06:08:05 PM
Okay I see my Karma has dropped a little bit sfter my last posts. I just have to say that I was a little angery after the game. I watched every home game that didn't interfere with my schedule, and I know the basketball that they can play. They did not play it against VWC. However, props to the way VWC played. The physical game that was played, the distance from home, and the fans favoring the other side was enough to make most teams crack down.

I was at the game and saw the looks of the players. DJ and Broomfield did not look mentally ready to play this game for whatever reason.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 07:54:44 PM
We may be headed for another disappointing All-Region season in the ASC. Ten ASC schools have yet to cast ballots.

An e-mail reminder was sent out this morning through the Division III SID e-mail list maintained by one of the member schools. I also sent an e-mail with details to the conference office this afternoon.

Deadline 10 a.m. CDT Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 12, 2007, 11:18:20 PM
Chris:  I think it was the absence of a call that had Randy unhappier than usual!

It looks like Maryville needs to not lose any region games and get the top seed and make somebody from the ASC travel our way nevt year.  Be a challenge without Bobby and Bradley, though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 12:38:33 AM
I really hope that Coach Holmes can put it together next year, keep everyone healthy, and find 2-3 big men.

We were 8-6 without Moreno and 12-1 with him.  He meant that much to the team.

We only lose Cole Dickerson (Center--12 min/game and 14 starts) and Kenny Gardner (Guard--23 min/game and all 27 starts).  The team was very deep at guard, tho'.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 13, 2007, 12:51:18 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 12, 2007, 10:51:10 AM
It's obvious that finishing in the top 16 in the country is quite an accomplishment but it is starting to be view as somewhat of an unsuccessful season at MC.  I'm curious to know what others think it will take for MC to reach the final 4 or the championship game.

I only saw MC once this year and it was a preseason scrimmage against Millsaps so my impression is extremely limited.  My thought then was that the strongest element of the team was their depth.  Certainly the first 8-10 were strong enough to beat most teams in the country in a conventional game of basketball, but the the elite teams could match the talent level of MC.  I'm not sure how many teams could match the depth of the MC bench.

Assuming that MC will reload with about 10 juco players and a couple of freshmen, I wonder if they need to go all out to that "40 minutes of Hell" style that Nolan Richardson used during his heyday at Arkansas.  It would utilize the MC depth and it would be a style that would be hard to prepare for by NCAA opponents.  Not having seen MC play any regular season games this year, I will have to assume that they are already playing an up-tempo style but maybe they need to bump it up to a hyper-tempo style of play.

Any thoughts from Chris or Ralph or those who know far more than me about basketball in general and MC in specific?

Frank,
  I don't think MC has to do anything to change their style of play, just keep putting themselves in position to get to the Final Four. I think you are right about the expectations, we are our own worst enemy right now in that some people are disappointed in an ASC title, 27-3 record and third straight Sweet Sixteen appearance.

  McMurry used that style in 2000 and 2001 and had similiar results as MC so I don't think it is the pace of play. The Choctaws just have to get better. Playing at home is a huge advantage in the tournament but I think everyone is realizing teams in this part of the country will not host past the first and second round. It's not impossible to win on the road after you fly in, some teams have been able to do it in the past and the ASC has to get good enough to do it also.
 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 01:03:25 AM
Chris, maybe Miss College just crowned a finalist.  McMurry lost to champion Calvin in 2000 (to finish #6) and runner-up William Paterson with national player of the year Horace Jenkins in 2001 to finish #13.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 01:16:21 AM
Frank, I want to see what big men we can recruit this year.  I think that the team sees what we need to do.  We got incredible efforts by the top 13 players and great chemistry among the 15.

Some of the guys with single digit minutes had incredible spurts of playing time that actually won games for us.  I really like this team. 

I know that Coaches Holmes and Garza can bring in the talent.

I also believe that the conference needs to re-vamp the schedules.

Double round-robin leading to the division champions.

Mandate only 4 crossover games for the West to fill the schedules.  These do not determine intra-divisional standings.  This does allow the schools to improve the in-region records and opponents' opponents' records for the sake of playoff bids.  Replacing a win versus a weak (sub.333) ASC crossover team with a win over a .600 South Region team helps the playoff chances.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 13, 2007, 09:04:14 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 12:38:21 PM
Bearkat, you have to be one of the ASC's "all-Newcomer Posters" this season.  You provided timely information, hyperlinks and great insight to the games that you saw.

Thanks, and +1!  :)

And I took editorial license to "spellcheck" your previous post concerning Virginia Wesleyan College!  ;)

Thanks Ralph, it's been a joy and I look forward to the years to come!  As you can tell, I wasn't an English Major in College.  As soon as this tournament is done and the D1 tournament is done, I'll attempt to switch my focus to baseball.  One thing to note before I switch gears, looks like LETU is going to get a huge committment from a JUCO big man, helping to fill the leadership that they lost with Marcus Coleman. 

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 07:54:44 PM
We may be headed for another disappointing All-Region season in the ASC. Ten ASC schools have yet to cast ballots.

An e-mail reminder was sent out this morning through the Division III SID e-mail list maintained by one of the member schools. I also sent an e-mail with details to the conference office this afternoon.

Deadline 10 a.m. CDT Tuesday.

I know a couple of schools have had coaches "resign". 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 13, 2007, 10:05:44 AM
Thought this might be of interest for ASC fans, as Chris coached in the conference for over ten years:

Oestreich Steps Down as Basketball Coach

SHERMAN – Austin College head men's basketball coach Chris Oestreich has announced that he has elected not to seek reappointment for next year.  Oestreich leaves the program after 12 seasons in which he accumulated a record of 125-175.

"After 12 fulfilling years in this position I feel it is time for a change," said Oestreich.  "This change will benefit myself, my family, and the men's basketball program.  This decision was made with much thought, council and support from my family and colleagues."

Over the course of his time at Austin College, Oestreich experienced much success and raised the programs level of competition.  His tenure was highlighted by a conference championship in the 1996-1997 season along with three second place finishes, and two third place finishes.  Oestreich was a two-time American Southwest Conference Coach of the Year, picking up that honor in the 1995-1996 season and again the following year.

"Chris has informed me of his decision to make this change at this time in his career and after a lengthy conversation, I accept it," said Vice President for Student Affairs and Athletics Tim Millerick.  "On behalf of many at Austin College, I want to thank him for the time he has committed to leading this program over the past 12 years.  He has worked tirelessly and shared his talents to advance the Austin College basketball program.  He is an outstanding recruiter and was able to bring in a number of good student-athletes to the basketball program.  When you look at Chris's entire body of work, there is much success to acknowledge."

Oestreich came to Austin College after having served as an assistant coach at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, Iowa during the 1994-1995 season, and also served as an assistant at Rockhurst University in Kansas City from 1991 through 1994.

"I want everyone to know that my time at Austin College will always have a fond place in my heart," said Oestreich.  "I feel very fortunate to have been here for so long.  Coaching 12 years and over 300 games has been a tremendous experience."

In addition to serving as head basketball coach, Oestreich was also served in an administrative capacity as the director of the Mason Athletic and Recreation Complex and taught various Exercise Science courses at Austin College.  Oestreich plans on continuing his coaching career after finishing his time at Austin College in May.

"I feel strongly that Chris is a good coach and has many good years left in him," said Millerick.  "I wish all the best with making this transition in his life."

"I am pleased with where I am leaving the program and that I could share in the success and growth of Austin College basketball," said Oestreich.  "I want to thank my family for their support, as well as Dr. Oscar Page, Tim Millerick, the faculty, staff, and especially my colleagues in the athletics department.  Most importantly I want to thank the student-athletes both current and past who have played for me.  The relationships I have built with those young men have a value that can never be measured."
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on March 13, 2007, 09:11:36 PM
Ralph,

I all I know is that when I played at MC you guys always seemed to have a big man who could change the outcome of a game.  My freshman year there was Tudman (sp.); I also remeber Aragon and Mania was very good.  Very good at flopping too.  ;D
I have no doubt that Coach Holmes will bring in a couple studs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2007, 09:23:36 PM
t money,  ;D ;D ;D!

Tudman played pro ball in Australia.  I haven't seen Aragon in about 3 years and Mania in about 4!

Good luck, MC!

Let's crank this one up again.

Has Coach Jones filled out his non-conference schedule yet?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2007, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on March 13, 2007, 09:04:14 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 12:38:21 PM
Bearkat, you have to be one of the ASC's "all-Newcomer Posters" this season.  You provided timely information, hyperlinks and great insight to the games that you saw.

Thanks, and +1!  :)

And I took editorial license to "spellcheck" your previous post concerning Virginia Wesleyan College!  ;)

Thanks Ralph, it's been a joy and I look forward to the years to come!  As you can tell, I wasn't an English Major in College.  As soon as this tournament is done and the D1 tournament is done, I'll attempt to switch my focus to baseball.  One thing to note before I switch gears, looks like LETU is going to get a huge committment from a JUCO big man, helping to fill the leadership that they lost with Marcus Coleman. 

Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 07:54:44 PM
We may be headed for another disappointing All-Region season in the ASC. Ten ASC schools have yet to cast ballots.

An e-mail reminder was sent out this morning through the Division III SID e-mail list maintained by one of the member schools. I also sent an e-mail with details to the conference office this afternoon.

Deadline 10 a.m. CDT Tuesday.

I know a couple of schools have had coaches "resign". 

Which is all well and good but doesn't really affect the SID's ability to log in and vote, I'm sure.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2007, 07:44:04 AM
All-Region Teams

Quote...All SIDs in the region were given the opportunity to vote (on the names that were submitted by the SID's).

First team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Kevin Guyden Mary Hardin-Baylor Sr. Houston, Texas
 
Second team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G D.J. Jones Mississippi College Sr. Vicksburg, Miss. 


F Zach Pickelman Hardin-Simmons Sr. New Braunfels, Texas
C Mardochee Jean Hardin-Simmons Jr. Missouri City, Texas

Third team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown

G Chris Isom East Texas Baptist Sr. Newton, Texas
G Timothy Broomfield Mississippi College Sr. Taylorsville, Miss. 


Congratulations! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 14, 2007, 11:06:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2007, 11:26:31 PM

Which is all well and good but doesn't really affect the SID's ability to log in and vote, I'm sure.


Gotcha - unaware of that........
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 14, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
Just caught up on about 5 pages of discussion, and first I'd like to say congrats to the all-region selections.

Concerning the physicality in the ASC, I haven't watched much ASC bball, but what I have watched has generally involved refs with very active whistles.  I'm not sure you could finish a game in the ASC in a night if the teams got more physical.  Physical Bball in the ASC would be like playing a cricket match  ;D.  That said, I'd like to see some more aggressive and physical play.  I go back to the NAIA days at UMHB, and I remember some very physical players, especially in the middle.  There is nothing more fun to watch than people battling inside for points.  Is it a matter of coaching that players shoot the deep ball as much as they do?  Or is it a matter of discipline?  The games I watched this season in the ASC involved a lot of running up and down (which I like) but very little following of shots, which lead to a lot of defensive rebounds (which I don't like).  Not to be an old fuddy, but aren't following your shot and rebounding fundamentals of the game?  I personally would rather see people pounding it inside and taking the well advised 3, than seeing people run down court, fire up the brick, and running back up court because the rebound came to the top pf the circle.

just my .02 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LostCoach on March 26, 2007, 10:05:18 PM
UT-Tyler then Texas Lutheran and Schreiner? The axe fell heavy this year.

Who is in the running for the two remaining jobs (TLU and Schreiner)? Any rumors?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2007, 11:00:47 PM
Interviews are still going on.  I hear that TLU has had some very qualified coaches apply!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LostCoach on March 27, 2007, 11:35:50 PM

Any rumors on who some of those guys might be at TLU?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 27, 2007, 11:51:20 PM
Quote from: LostCoach on March 27, 2007, 11:35:50 PM

Any rumors on who some of those guys might be at TLU?
Not trying to spread rumors, but Chris Oestreich left Austin College and Matt Wallis resigned at UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LostCoach on March 28, 2007, 10:15:22 AM
Not trying to spread rumors, but Chris Oestreich left Austin College and Matt Wallis resigned at UT-Tyler.

you are right....and I didn't mean to imply that either guy was FIRED at their respective schools. When I looked back at my post that is exactly what it sounded like. I know Coach O and he is a great guy....I don't know Coach Wallis and don't pretend to know the situation at either school. Just curious what the other two schools might be doing. TLU would be doing well to hire either one if they WERE interviewing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 28, 2007, 02:34:52 PM
Quote from: LostCoach on March 28, 2007, 10:15:22 AM
Not trying to spread rumors, but Chris Oestreich left Austin College and Matt Wallis resigned at UT-Tyler.

you are right....and I didn't mean to imply that either guy was FIRED at their respective schools. When I looked back at my post that is exactly what it sounded like. I know Coach O and he is a great guy....I don't know Coach Wallis and don't pretend to know the situation at either school. Just curious what the other two schools might be doing. TLU would be doing well to hire either one if they WERE interviewing.
I agree and I understand.  You share my desire to be precise in what we post in such situations.

I am on record as complimenting both of those coaches for the jobs that they did at their previous locations.

Coach Oestreich did more with less until he was able to everything with nothing, and Coach Wallis got a program thru what seemed to be an interminable provisional period. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LostCoach on March 28, 2007, 03:50:31 PM
Ralph,

   you seem to have a pretty good grip on the ASC. What is the situation at Schreiner? They have not been real successful the last few years. What is it going to take to turn their program around? You hear of any candidates there?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2007, 05:00:32 PM
No I haven't.  I think that any school can build a good program.

Schreiner has had its peaks in the past few years in several sports.  Schools do tend to have their ups and downs. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2007, 06:52:27 PM
McM 80, UMHB 76 OT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HmtSPXjEaM)

A little You Tube action for the off-season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on March 31, 2007, 07:29:23 AM
 TLU Names Basketball Coach

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics?newsid=670
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2007, 11:02:28 PM
I understand that the 2007-08 schedule has been proposed.  It includes these aspects:

--requiring all teams to play 20/21 games against conference opponents.
--20/21 games counting towards the championship.

I am very sorry to hear of this with respect to the conference "trying to get respect".

I am among the people who believe that we won't get respect until we go out and earn it, against D3 foes of known quality!


To review the 2006-07 season, we had 4 teams that scheduled their non-conference games to do that.

1)  UMHB invited 2006 champion VWC to their December tourney.  Both VWC and Ripon were considered in-region and boosted their QOWI, which in turn earned them a Pool C bid.

2)  Mississippi College played in the well-known Westmont Tourney.  This NAIA school hosts nationally known powers, Johns Hopkins and Miss College this year.  MC beat them both, and solidified their claim to host, at least the first round.

3)  McMurry went to Johns Hopkins for that tourney.  Unfortunately, they lost PG Robert Moreno to the broken ankle in the first minute of the Rowan game.  McM lost by 5 to Rowan, and Rowan (20-6) lost by 2 to JHU (also a NCAA tourney team).  McMurry beat Penn AC Immaculata 75-61 the next night in the consolation round.  (Penn AC went 12-16/10-8 and lost in the Penn AC tourney finals.)  Injuries happen, but I like the chance to try to beat those teams.

4)  HSU was the other side of the bracket in the UMHB tourney.  They lost to Ripon and to VWC in OT.

(I also want to acknowledge that UOzarks scheduled Austin College, UDallas, Rust and Hendrix, 4 South Region opponents, as non-conference games.)

Those teams went outside the usual assortment of non-conference games that we usually play versus NAIA's, D2's and the occasional D1's.  Realistically, the only thing that UT-Dallas got for its win over UTA was one quick week in the Top 25.

This is what I had hoped would have been adopted for next year.

1)  Mandate that all West schools play 18 games, that is, four interdivisional games.  (A few in the East get more than 4 interdivisional games.)

2)  Only count the intra-divisional games towards the conference tourney.  This is the most equitable...home-and-away. 

Here are the advantages to this.

1)  Only counting the intra-divisional games towards the toruney gives a coach 10 games to get his team competitive.  Imagine that a coach goes 0-8 against the West before starting East intra-divisional play.  Those players are struggling to get back up to .500 for the rest of the season.  On the East, UT-Tyler is now eligible, so it gets tighter for post-season bids to the ASC tourney.

2)  We don't have any difference caused by not having to travel to Clinton or to Abilene or to Alpine or any other geographically-induced quirk in the schedule.

3)  Mandating only 18 games (basically one away and one home weekend in interdivsional play) frees up other valuable dates for coaches to schedule D3 opponents in other parts of the country.  This gives us 7 non-conference games that will allow a school to boost its non-conference opponents' opponents' winning percentage and play respected team in other parts of the country.

4)  This does not prevent a coach from scheduling ASC teams anyway.  We have had numerous examples of coaches scheduling home and away with interdivisional opponents anyway.  These games can be scheduled at times that may not conflict with the valuable out-of-conference, D3, preferably in-region, games that will get us respect.

5)  Our having only 8 mandated weekend series by the travel partners gives flexibility around the times of the various schedules for Final Exams and Dead Week.  (That is 6 mandated weekend series in the West, plus the 2 interdivisional weekend series.  This means that these weekend inter-divisional series can begin on Jan 3 & 5, Jan 10 & 12.  Intradivisional play can begin the next weekend, Jan 17 & 19, 24 & 29, Jan 31 and Feb 2, Feb 7 & 9, Feb 14 & 16, Feb 21 & 23.  Conference tourney runs Feb 29th, March 1st and 2nd.)

6)  Our having 22 mandated dates makes it harder for us to schedule nearby D3's like Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and UDallas and even Rust, Rhodes, Hendrix and Millsaps.

7)  Having those open dates may allow us to pick up "snowbirds" who come in December.

The only opponents that gain respect for the ASC will be D3 opponents.  (Westmont CA and maybe Cornerstone in Michigan may be the exceptions.)  D3's that are in-region are preferential to "non-in-region", but that is a strategic discussion for another time.  Travel costs will push ASC schools to play other ASC schools above the 18 dates.  We may find some schools who can save on travel costs by staying close to home.  That is another strategic point.  Does a coach have a better chance of a Pool C bid with a South Region record of 14-4 plus 2-1 in the conference tourney (16-5) or 20-4 plus 2-1 in the conference tourney (22-5)?

The way that other schools in other parts of the country boost their QOWI (or next year opponents' opponents' winning percentage in 2007-08) is to find schools that you can beat in other conferences that will boost your OOWP.

For example, UMHB beat VWC 22-4 in the South Region, and 12-10 Ripon also considered in-region by the new criteria.  Those wins were worth much more than another runaway win over a team with a losing in-region record in the conference.

Here are the in-region teams at posts # 2230 and 2231 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4502.2230).

I hope that this will be re-considered.

I remind you that Pat Coleman told us this same stuff a few years ago. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4502.2235)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 01, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Ralph,

Thanks for continuing to carry the banner on this. I wonder if ETBU will change its tune after being left out of the women's tournament. The team really had no chance of being selected as a Pool C pick but would've at least been in the conversation with a little more respect for the Division III selection criteria.

I didn't get a chance to grade the ASC non-conference schedules this season because we got to some of the schedules pretty late this fall, but here's a link to the blog posting grading the 2005-06 non-conference slates.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2005/10/06/how-the-asc-is-adjusting/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on April 03, 2007, 12:54:11 PM
D3 record for baseball set at etbu. Congrats to Aaron Dalton.
http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1252 (http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1252)

Pat

I think the women are trying to play Trinity.  No word yet if the game is scheduled or not, but I know it is something they would like to do.

I have heard the men might go back to Northwestern for another payday, but nothing official on that either.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 04, 2007, 12:24:10 AM
Ralph,
   I have to disagree about the coaches choosing the 20/21 conference games but do agree with a couple of points you made.
   I know you are already aware of the shortage of DIII opponents available in this part of the country. I think if we open up more out of conference dates we will see several teams playing the NAIA schools like we did before which really doesn't help us at all. The 20/21 ASC games ensure that teams are at least playing regional DIII opponents and I think the 4/5 nonconference dates are plenty if worked correctly.
    UMHB is a great example this year. All 25 games were regional and they used their four out-of-conference games to play Virginia Wesleyan, Ripon, Trinity and Southwestern. Those games made the difference in getting them in the tourney. That is a good model for everyone else to consider.
    If we did lock in teams for just 18 conference games, I would guess you would see more NAIA opponents filling the open dates rather than quality DIII regional teams primarily due to financial reasons. For some teams, those are the only nearby teams available to play. Our schools just have to be smart how they use their out-of-conference opportunities.
    I do wonder why all 20/21 games are conference. I am sure there is a reason but I just have not heard that argument. I would think only counting division games to pick the top four teams on each side would be more fair since teams face each other twice in a home and home series.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2007, 01:24:39 AM
Chris, thanks for the response.  The 20/21 locks us into a zero sum game.

The question about quality South Region opponents is when?  The opponents must have a comparable open date.

The conference schedule in a 20/21 takes up:

the second weekend
the third weekend
the fourth weekend is dead week
the fifth weekend is finals
the sixth weekend is break.
the seventh weekend is Christmas.
the eighth weekend was between Christmas and New Years this year.


Under my scenario the 18 game schedule begins now, the ninth weekend Jan 3rd and Jan 5th, and every weekend there on out as the current 20/21 does.

Most teams around the country begin serious conference play after New Years, if they only have 16-18 conference games.

Please go to the Scoreboard (http://www.d3hoops.com/scores/) and look at the proclivity of teams to play after the semester and before Christmas.  You can peruse the scoreboard and find the nature and the opportunity of the few games that are played.

A NAIA team does not help a coach's effort to earn respect.  However the 20/21 takes away dates that a coach can schedule good D3's.

The SCAC will have 9 available dates in 2007-08, but if we are trying to match schedules, we have only two prime weeks to find opponents, the 1st and the 8th weekends.

Miss College is almost equidistant to Maryville, Huntingdon, LaGrange, Sewanee, Rhodes, Oglethorpe and Piedmont versus the ASC-West.  Not trying to single out TLU and Schreiner, but the Schreiner and TLU as a  travel pair were the worst you could schedule in the South Region.  You earned 16 QOWI points for those two home wins.  Piedmont/ LaGrange road trip would have earned you 24 QOWI points.  Oglethorpe/ Sewanee would have earned 22 QOWI points.  If you had done the Piedmont/LaGrange trip, I re-calculate your QOWI at 11.083, 3rd best in D3.  Do you host a sectional with the 3rd best QOWI?  I don't know!  :-\

The factor that will drive a coach to weigh a D3 South Region game is whether a 14-4 (.778) South Region record and 7 non-D3 South Region games will be better than scheduling 3 or 5 more D3 in-region games and possibly go 18-5 (.783).  Eighteen wins look better than 14. Maybe those extra 5 in-region D3 games include a regionally ranked opponent, which is another of the criteria.  We might see some creative scheduling, like mini-tourneys where a team comes into Dallas and plays a Fri/Sat pair or some other neutral site for a pair of games versus D3 opponents.

We hear about the costs of travel, but offering a creative alternative to mandated 1800 mile road trips needs some thought.

With respect to a coach selecting NAIA's and other non-D3 opponents, I cannot make his decision, but the 20/21 takes the opportunity out of the hands of the coach who wishes to improve his schedule.  IMHO, that opportunity occurs in weeks 1-3. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 04, 2007, 12:44:28 PM
Ralph,
   I think whether teams are playing 18 or 21 conference games, both can still work fine. I can see positives and negatives for both. I just think the UMHB schedule last year is about as good as an ASC team could do.

   The travel is a big issue though. Schools are forced to budget for the travel because the league mandates the schedule. If you opened up another weekend, I am not sure the travel budgets would stay the same. For some schools it would work fine, but others would probably be asked to use the available weekend for guarantee games or home games against whoever they can find.

   Also, with the league so spread out and already travelling more than anyone in the country, most coaches would probably take the opportunity to keep their kids in their own beds an extra weekend and there are few quality teams willing to travel to play teams like MC, UMHB or McMurry without a return trip.

   I think either scenario can work. With only 4-5 nonconference games available, teams just need to make the most of them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2007, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on April 04, 2007, 12:44:28 PM
... there are few quality teams willing to travel to play teams like MC, UMHB or McMurry without a return trip

or even travel to quality D3 opponents in the country.
Chris, I guess that McMurry would use the flexibility that an 18-game schedule would give.  The programs that have committed to that level of bsaketball would definitely benefit, especially McMurry Men and Women.

I agree that UMHB did a great job of getting VWC down here.  Getting Ripon was also a good job of getting a snowbird down here, too.

I want to see that level of co-operation around the conference.  I think that HPU and SRSU women co-operated on the Fisk game.  Miss Coll and LaCollege could set up a great classic.  ETBU and LeTU?

I think that McMurry wants to use travel as an educational feature.  I know Coach Holmes was happy for his players to visit the Mall in Washington DC last year.  Getting to see the Washington and Lincoln Memorials etc., was a great experience for those guys!  The McMurry women saw the Civil War Battlefield at Guilford (NC) Court House.

I see the vulnerable programs (whether I am right, I don't know) to dropping to the 18 would be TLU, Schreiner, SRSU, Louisiana College and maybe Ozarks, ETBU LeTU.

Going to neutral site tourneys on Friday/Saturday among inter-divisional opponents might save one night on the road as 19th, 20th and 21st and even 22nd games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 11, 2007, 05:04:12 PM
Not many posts in awhile, but if anyone has seen the front page of D3hoops.com, then there should be plenty of posts soon.

My first reaction, I am glad that at least the ASC has decided to stand up as a conference and say to the NCAA that they are tired of being snubbed.

Whether it will happen... not sure!

Look forward to hearing everyone else's thoughts!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sac on April 11, 2007, 09:46:28 PM
Teams were told the mistake was made because the committee did not realize Mary Hardin-Baylor and Mississippi College were members of the same conference.

Unbelieveable,  no ............ UNBELIEVABLE!

Please tell me those commettee members resigned in embarassment. :-[


Good for the ASC, probably won't make a difference but its nice that they're expressing their opinion.   They have good points, but sending 3 teams to Texas or Mississippi will always be a hard thing to do.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 12, 2007, 12:01:00 AM
Shocking, huh?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: diehardfan on April 12, 2007, 01:22:11 PM
 
Quote from: sac on April 11, 2007, 09:46:28 PM
Teams were told the mistake was made because the committee did not realize Mary Hardin-Baylor and Mississippi College were members of the same conference.

Unbelieveable,  no ............ UNBELIEVABLE!
Maybe someone should tell them about Lake Michigan... apparently they haven't heard the scoop about the fact that it exists either. :D

Chris, Ralph, etc.... is there an appropriate venue for fans of D3 express their support of this concept and the ASC? At the time I really couldn't believe that the NCAA would do something so obviously ridiculous and unethical, and kept expecting Mississippi College to get the hosting nod despite what everyone was telling me. I am extremely glad that they ASC leaders are calling the NCAA out on their lack of anything resembling fairness, and hope that they make major headway!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 13, 2007, 01:54:44 PM
Quote from: sac on April 11, 2007, 09:46:28 PM
Good for the ASC, probably won't make a difference but its nice that they're expressing their opinion.   They have good points, but sending 3 teams to Texas or Mississippi will always be a hard thing to do.

Hard or not, if it's the equitable thing to do, then they should do it anyway. MC didn't put in the work to finish 27-2 or whatever just so they could travel out East. They'd earned the right to host and were snubbed thanks to the almighty $$$.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 13, 2007, 03:12:15 PM
While I certainly agree with the sentiment and rationale behind the ASC's letter, I must say that I think it comes one sports season too late. 

The conference had the same problem in football this season with UMHB/HSU forced to play one another in the first round while Millsaps (who could and should have played at UMHB based on the AA's own stated rules) was shipped north.

I really hope it makes some sort of difference--the situation has really been unequitable for teams in the south and on the West Coast for some time now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2007, 05:48:43 PM
It's my understanding that the basketball coaches in the ASC pushed for this. I have no idea if any football coaches did the same, and in fact, we can't necessarily assume they did not. We just didn't get a copy of it if they did. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 14, 2007, 02:50:10 PM
I am proud to see the ASC try and make this a more public debate and at least call the NCAA to task on the issue. This certainly goes well beyond our conference as I am sure OxyBob could attest. It is hard to believe that travel expense is still such a huge factor in deciding NCAA championships. I know the MC men and HPU women are the most recent instances, but I would have to agree with Josh that the first round football matchup of #5 UMHB and #6 Hardin-Simmons was probably more egregious.

With all of the NCAA commercials emphasizing true student-athletes, perhaps they will realize that championship competition is just as important to DIII athletes as it is to DI.

Quote from: diehardfan on April 12, 2007, 01:22:11 PM
Chris, Ralph, etc.... is there an appropriate venue for fans of D3 express their support of this concept and the ASC? At the time I really couldn't believe that the NCAA would do something so obviously ridiculous and unethical, and kept expecting Mississippi College to get the hosting nod despite what everyone was telling me. I am extremely glad that they ASC leaders are calling the NCAA out on their lack of anything resembling fairness, and hope that they make major headway!

I don't know of one. I would like to think the NCAA would give this serious consideration but would have to agree with other posters that it is doubtful. Obviously my affiliation with MC puts me closer to that particular situation, but it's not like we are the only school this affects. Championships based on seeding rather than dollars would only add more legitimacy to them and help grow DIII athletics in regions of the country that have been neglected.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on April 16, 2007, 03:53:36 PM
I don't think it will happen.  The $$$ is to strong.  Question: do states such as Wisconsin and Ohio have juco and division II schools?  It just seems this part of the country has a lot of division III schools.  Is it hurting the southern schools because we have more dII schools and jucos or does that part of the country just have a lot more schools in general?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 19, 2007, 01:30:41 AM
Quote from: sac on April 11, 2007, 09:46:28 PM
Teams were told the mistake was made because the committee did not realize Mary Hardin-Baylor and Mississippi College were members of the same conference.

Unbelieveable,  no ............ UNBELIEVABLE!

Please tell me those commettee members resigned in embarassment. :-[


Good for the ASC, probably won't make a difference but its nice that they're expressing their opinion.   They have good points, but sending 3 teams to Texas or Mississippi will always be a hard thing to do.



I think that we should petition to have the d3hoops Hall of Famers set up the brackets.

They know way more than the NCAA. :'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: carlweathers on April 22, 2007, 11:12:29 PM
The new coach at Schreiner will be Trinity assistant Drew Miller.  Congrats to Drew. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 22, 2007, 11:15:25 PM
Thanks, Carl!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hopefan on June 26, 2007, 12:50:59 PM
Ralph  -  time to get on your favorite conference's schools  -  not a single one has posted their 2007-08  schedule yet!!!      Almost makes me wonder if they are generating the ASC conference schedule late....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 04, 2007, 06:39:01 PM
 HSU Coach Dylan Howard (http://www.reporternews.com/news/2007/jun/27/hsu-hoops-coach-heeds-traveling-call/) takes some Houston area high school players to Germany.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 04, 2007, 11:06:26 PM
That USA Athlete International organization is definitely on the rise. Alot of d3 players and coaches are participating and coaching groups overseas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2007, 10:22:04 AM
Next time you are inclined to "rant at a ref", imagine your game being canceled because you could not find a ref to do the game.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2007/jul/06/endangered-zebras/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on July 06, 2007, 04:23:56 PM
LeTourneau schedule was posted today... they head out of town to start the season at the Colorado College tournament.  I heard that George Fox and MacMurry (IL) are the other two teams there.  Another interesting note is that LETU and UMHB will be playing twice this year, once in conference and once out of conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on July 09, 2007, 02:41:01 PM
I will probably release the MC schedule tomorrow even though our coaches are still looking for one more game, but I thought you might like to know the nonconference opponents.

Pensacola Christian on November 16 at home.
Wesley College on December 6 at home.

We are playing in the Hampden-Sydney Holiday Hoops Tourney and expect to play Greensboro in the opening round with a potential matchup with Hampden-Sydney in the second if we are able to beat a very good Greensboro team.

Greensboro (20-7) returns two first team all-conference players including their conference player of the year. They also return four of five starters overall so they could be ranked heading into next season.

I think Hampden-Sydney returns four of their top five scorers from a 19-win team last season. All four averaged in double figures.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2007, 10:40:43 PM
Quote from: gccfan on July 06, 2007, 04:23:56 PM
LeTourneau schedule was posted today... they head out of town to start the season at the Colorado College tournament.  I heard that George Fox and MacMurry (IL) are the other two teams there.  Another interesting note is that LETU and UMHB will be playing twice this year, once in conference and once out of conference.
McMurry TX is going to Colorado College on Nov 16th and 17th!  That is definite!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on October 08, 2007, 12:06:19 PM
Early predictions anyone? Will MC be dethroned in the East? Has anyone other than MC won the east since the split? I think Winford will be comeback player of year since his playing time will be back up
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2007, 09:43:02 PM
Quote from: kid nice on October 08, 2007, 12:06:19 PM
... Has anyone other than MC won the east since the split?...
2003 ETBU
2004 UT-D co-champs
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2007, 10:25:24 PM
2007-08 Ozarks Schedule (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=1429)

The change in the selection process this year is the opponent's winning percentage (OWP) and the opponent's opponent's winning percentage )OOWP) are two new criteria for determining the seedings for the playoffs.  Only D-3 "in-region" games count in the OWP and the OOWP.

UOzarks' D-1 and D-2 games are virtually worthless to the ASC to boost the relative value of the ASC versus other conferences.

UOz must defeat Hendrix in its only non-ASC game to help the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
I have been watching the ASC for sometime after my time as a student at Louisiana College.  This is my first time on D3 hoops.  Just a little news that I have heard, MC may have had the best juco class they have had yet.  Very scary! They always have great transfers.  My ghost pic, Let U. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2007, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
I have been watching the ASC for sometime after my time as a student at Louisiana College.  This is my first time on D3 hoops.  Just a little news that I have heard, MC may have had the best juco class they have had yet.  Very scary! They always have great transfers.  My ghost pic, Let U. 
Miss Coll always has great JUCO's, gets to host the first 2 rounds of the NCAA's and then loses in the Sweet 16 by double digits.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 11:49:46 AM
Hey, I would take that any day!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 03:20:08 PM
I noticed many of the teams this year are playing D1's, seems more than usual.  I know some are only exhibition games but is this hurting our cause.  I also noticed at looking at eveyone's schedule we have a few playing conference foes for nonconference games. This hurting or helping. 

Of all the teams playing d1's exhibition or not, looks like ETBU has the toughest one of all against Northwestern State, anyone agree or disagree? ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on October 11, 2007, 05:55:38 PM
I know LeTourneau is playing UMHB in a non-conference game early in the season because we wanted to get in their Christmas tournament, but something happened so they said they would just come and play us.  It looks like LeTourneau and McMurry will be playing twice as well because I think both should win their first round games at Colorado College and then be forced to play each other.

I figure MC will always just reload on juco guys, LeTourneau should be pretty good, but you never know what can happen.  I like LC's starting five, but then they are a little thin after that.  It will be interesting to see how good UT Tyler is this year with their new coach.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 06:22:39 PM
I believe McMurry and ETBU are also playing a nonconference game.  ETBU has the exhibition game with Nortwestern and then they play a bunch of NAIA schools. They were terrible last year and I don't see them getting much better. McMurry is always in the mix even when you think they won't be.  I like LC starting five as well but you never know with that bunch, my favs of course.  MC has  a good schedule with D3's and will be loaded.  UT tyler has so many advantages over the private schools, as should UT dallas and Sull Ross, as far as recruiting goes, i.e. cheaper tuition.  I know they have a new coach, former MC assistant, so they are probably practicing already!haha! Predictions for the East:
MC
Tyler
Let
LC or UTdallas

For the west:
UMHB
McMurry
HSU
HPU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2007, 08:23:11 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 03:20:08 PM
I noticed many of the teams this year are playing D1's, seems more than usual.  I know some are only exhibition games but is this hurting our cause.  I also noticed at looking at everyone's schedule we have a few playing conference foes for non-conference games. This hurting or helping. 

Of all the teams playing d1's exhibition or not, looks like ETBU has the toughest one of all against Northwestern State, anyone agree or disagree? ???
Playing a D-1 can be used to the school's strategic advantage.

The D-1 game fee can be used to finance the trip to a good tournament.

McMurry and ETBU do play non-conference, and there is the chance that LeTU and McM play in Colorado Springs.

IMHO, these are the most valuable non-conference games from the perspective of boosting the team's "power rating" for D3.  (There is not an official power rating, but the Selection committee considers Opponents' Winning Percentage,  Opponent's Opponents' Winning Percentage and in-region won-loss percentage as some of the criteria).

D3 South Region Opponent.

D3 non-south region opponent at a tournament that allows you to be exposed to other D3 teams from other parts of the country.

D1 opponent that allows you to finance the D3 Tourney.

I can also see some value to playing an NAIA (or D2) cross-town opponent during the time that you don't want to travel, e.g., near semester's end, but you need the game to keep the team fresh.

Pat Coleman rated the 2005-06 non-conference schedules (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2005/10/06/how-the-asc-is-adjusting/).  Those same principles apply.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2007, 08:36:57 PM
McMurry plays George Fox and the winner of the Colorado College/LeTU game in Colorado Springs, ETBU and then UT-San Antonio over the Christmas break.  That is 3 in-region games and a D-1 game to pay for it.  Probably rates out as an A-/B+ using Pat's criteria.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 14, 2007, 10:27:38 AM
I think Wiley College and LSUS made the NAIA tourney last year.  So with the exhibition and non conference schedule we will play one of the toughest in the conference.  While our best returner is playing football I think we will be a lot better than last year even though we could pile up a few losses early.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 02:06:08 PM
Quote from: etbualum on October 14, 2007, 10:27:38 AM
I think Wiley College and LSUS made the NAIA tourney last year.  So with the exhibition and non conference schedule we will play one of the toughest in the conference.  ...
Unfortunately, ETBU will have no out-of-conference games in which it can boost its OWP and OOWP (Opponents' winning percentage and Opponents' opponents' winning percentage).  That really hurts the conference when it comes to post-season play.

If we ASC fans will look at the schedules of other conferences, there are plenty of in-region games that help to boost the OOWP's and OWP's within the conference, for your team and the teams in our conference.

ETBU can beat Wiley, LSUS and Belhaven, but in the eyes of the selection committee, the games are worthless.  Having as tourney in which some schools from the South Region or Administrative Region #4 (Missouri, Illinois Wisconsin westward) would really help all of us.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 03:23:26 PM
Pat Coleman came to the ASC in summer 2004 to visit with the Coaches and the SID's about issues that we face.

Under the proverbial and definitely unofficial topic of "we don't get no respect", he addressed the issue of scheduling to improve the impact of the conference.  It was the subject of one of his blogs in 2005.

ASC Basketball Scheduling (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2005/10/06/how-the-asc-is-adjusting/)

I will try to apply his recommendations to the schedules that we have available.  I encourage other fans to apply the criteria that are demonstrated in Pat's blog to this real problem that we face.  The ASC-West has four open-dates; the ASC-East has five.  An exhibition may also be scheduled.  I realize that travel is a problem for the ASC, but some creativity in necessary if we are going to raise the profile of the ASC.

The best schedules that I have found are:

Four-Five in-region games--

LeTU has five in-region games...LeTU will get 2 in-region games at the Colorado College tourney which has George Fox, Colorado College, LeTU and McMurry.  All four teams get 2 in-region games from this tourney!  LeTU also has a home-and-home with South Region (SCAC) opponent Austin College.  Their fifth date is UMHB.  (They also have with D-1 Lamar which presumably makes the Colorado College trip possible.)



Three in-region games

McMurry has three in-region games, George Fox and the other half of the Colorado College tourney in which LeTU is playing.  McMurry has a Christmas holiday date with UT-San Antonio.

UOzarks has Rust home and away and at Hendrix.  The Eagles play D-1 Northwestern LA and D2 Henderson St AR.

UT-Dallas plays Austin College home and away and gets an in-region game with Luther IA over Christmas.  The Comets also play a pair of non-in-region D-3's in Gwynedd Mercy and D-Youville NY. Maybe this is a chance for the ASC and the Comets to strut their stuff against out of region competition.



Two In-region games--

HSU has two in-region games, vs. Southwestern and at Trinity.  The games against D-1's Sam Houston help the program financially and the UT-Arlington game is scheduled over Christmas break.

LaCollege has Millsaps and Huntingdon at the Millsaps Tourney.  The Wildcats have D-1 Lamar, UL-Monroe and McNeese State.

Mississippi College has the prestigious Hampden-Sydney Tournament.  I know they have one South Region game, but I don't know if they get to play Hampden-Sydney.  This is the second good tournament that they have played in in two years.  The other opponents include Pensacola Christian (NCCAA) and Wesley.   (Louisiana College, Mississippi College and Ozarks are in administrative region #3 and so can get in-region games against teams in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana.)  One date has gone unfilled.

UT-Tyler goes on the road to Emory where they pick up two in-region foes, Sewanee (SCAC) and Emory (UAA).  The UAA is considered one of the Elite basketball conferences by most observers.  A win over Emory is a good win, even tho' the Eagles are usually in the bottom half of that very tough conference.  The Patriots also catch LSU-Shreveport, McNeese and UL-Monroe.

UMHB has one definite date with LeTU and maybe a second with Hendrix if they meet in the same side of the tourney bracket.  The CRU Holiday Classic is not hosting the defending champion this year, but Penn State Behrend (Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference) and Worcester St (Mass State Collegiate Athletic Conference) get to play snowbird.



One In-region Game --

TLU plays at Trinity.

ETBU plays McMurry in a non-conference game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 14, 2007, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2007, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
I have been watching the ASC for sometime after my time as a student at Louisiana College.  This is my first time on D3 hoops.  Just a little news that I have heard, MC may have had the best juco class they have had yet.  Very scary! They always have great transfers.  My ghost pic, Let U. 
Miss Coll always has great JUCO's, gets to host the first 2 rounds of the NCAA's and then loses in the Sweet 16 by double digits.  ;)


Ralph,
   Come on now, somehow you make that sound like a bad thing. I think they are one of only three teams in the country to reach the Sweet 16 each of the last three years (Amherst, St. John Fisher). They also have the second best record in the country regardless of division the last two years at 56-5. Only DII Winona State is better.

The Hampden-Sydney tournament could very well end up including the best teams from the ASC, the USA South and the ODAC this year.

Hopefully this year they will get another chance in the tourney but it's hard getting into the thing, much less advancing.

Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 11, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
I have been watching the ASC for sometime after my time as a student at Louisiana College.  This is my first time on D3 hoops.  Just a little news that I have heard, MC may have had the best juco class they have had yet.  Very scary! They always have great transfers.  My ghost pic, Let U. 
I will hopefully have time this week to put together a preseason piece for the team, but they did bring in a great class of players with 35 total new players including about 20 transfers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 07:47:19 PM
Sorry Chris, just frustration of the match-ups...   :-\

Miss College wins the East easily.  Miss College is rarely pushed.  Since the creation of the Divisions, ETBU won the East in 2003 and UT-D shared in 2004, otherwise its is all Miss College.

The West is a knock-down/drag-out which has seen 5 different teams win a portion of the West in the last 3 years.

Miss College gets to host the first two rounds of the NCAA, and then runs into a style of play that they have never solved.  The ASC gets branded as a mediocre conference, partially because of the sheer size of the conference with plenty of mediocre teams and a less than stellar post-season performance, in which we have never defeated a non-South Region opponent in post-season play.

I am ready for a break-out performance by someone this year.  I want Elite 8! This year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 14, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 07:47:19 PM
Sorry Chris, just frustration of the match-ups...   :-\

Miss College wins the East easily.  Miss College is rarely pushed.  Since the creation of the Divisions, ETBU won the East in 2003 and UT-D shared in 2004, otherwise its is all Miss College.

The West is a knock-down/drag-out which has seen 5 different teams win a portion of the West in the last 3 years.

Miss College gets to host the first two rounds of the NCAA, and then runs into a style of play that they have never solved.  The ASC gets branded as a mediocre conference, partially because of the sheer size of the conference with plenty of mediocre teams and a less than stellar post-season performance, in which we have never defeated a non-South Region opponent in post-season play.

I am ready for a break-out performance by someone this year.  I want Elite 8! This year!

I understand, I would also like to see an ASC team reach the Final Four, preferably MC, but I wouldn't say the league has been mediocre. In my opinion, the ASC has been the second best conference in the south region the last three years based on regional rankings and the NCAA tournament. Though MC has not reached the elite eight, they do have more tournament wins the last three years than all but a couple of teams.

Here are NCAA records the last three years for south region conferences. (I put these together quickly but I think they are right)
ODAC 12-4
ASC 5-4
SCAC 4-4
Great South 3-3
USA South 0-3

I really don't know what to expect from the ASC this year. All of the west teams lost important players and I noticed McMurry did not have Alvin Stevens on their roster. Concordia might be a trendy pick to win that side of the league.

In the East, LeTourneau returns a solid team. Everyone else lost a lot of players including MC. I think UT Tyler will be good very soon with their new head coach, Kenny Bizot. That will add another top flight team to the league.

MC returns just three solid players from last year who played significant minutes, Tyler Winford, Jonathan Collins and Prince Trotter. I am sure they will positioned lower than usual in the preseason based on the players they lost, but this new class of players the coaches brought in is as athletic as I have seen in my eight years at MC. I am sure we will find out how good of players they are, but they haven't accomplished anything yet and have some big shoes to fill.

I am putting together the basketball guide now and will try to release some of the new player information here when I get it. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 10:18:30 PM
Chris, I look at the roster and go, "Who are those guys?"

Alvin Stevens finished his eligibility.  I just know that Coach Holmes is happy with his team.

I really think that the South is the ODAC and the pretenders.

Guilford, VWC and HSC are really a cut above the rest of the South.

It is not popular to mention this on some South Region boards, but Maryville runs into Miss College, and you have their number.

I just wish that the other UMHB team had shown up against Murvul last March.

Good luck in the HSC Tourney!

I think that McMurry can start out strong, especially if we can handle the height and outside shooting that George Fox brings to the Colorado College tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 10:26:05 PM
Actually we are 5-5 plus a bye in the last three years.

2005 MC 1-1, UT-D 0-1
2006 MC 2-1 plus a bye
2007 MC 2-1, UMHB 0-1
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2007, 10:55:03 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on October 14, 2007, 09:43:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 07:47:19 PM
Sorry Chris, just frustration of the match-ups...   :-\

Miss College wins the East easily.  Miss College is rarely pushed.  Since the creation of the Divisions, ETBU won the East in 2003 and UT-D shared in 2004, otherwise its is all Miss College.

The West is a knock-down/drag-out which has seen 5 different teams win a portion of the West in the last 3 years.

Miss College gets to host the first two rounds of the NCAA, and then runs into a style of play that they have never solved.  The ASC gets branded as a mediocre conference, partially because of the sheer size of the conference with plenty of mediocre teams and a less than stellar post-season performance, in which we have never defeated a non-South Region opponent in post-season play.

I am ready for a break-out performance by someone this year.  I want Elite 8! This year!

I understand, I would also like to see an ASC team reach the Final Four, preferably MC, but I wouldn't say the league has been mediocre. In my opinion, the ASC has been the second best conference in the south region the last three years based on regional rankings and the NCAA tournament.

This is easily true. However, it doesn't mean a whole lot, being second-best in the South.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 14, 2007, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2007, 10:55:03 PM
This is easily true. However, it doesn't mean a whole lot, being second-best in the South.

Well Pat, we've only had a south region team in the national championship game the last two years and one national championship. The south has had three Final Four teams in the last five years.

By my count, there have been five sectionals hosted in the south since 1999 with ten teams outside of the south competing. The sectionals were hosted by Virginia Wesleyan (2006-07), Randolph-Macon (2003), Christopher Newport (2001) and Hampden-Sydney (1999). South region teams advanced to the Final Four in four of those five sectionals. Among the ten out of region teams not to advance: Illinois Wesleyan, Wisconsin-Oshkosh, Wooster and John Carroll. The only team to advance was William Patterson in the Christopher Newport 2001 sectional beating CNU in overtime.

I think the last few years has earned the south just a little respect.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on October 14, 2007, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2007, 10:55:03 PM
This is easily true. However, it doesn't mean a whole lot, being second-best in the South.

Well Pat, we've only had a south region team in the national championship game the last two years and one national championship. The south has had three Final Four teams in the last five years.

By my count, there have been five sectionals hosted in the south since 1999 with ten teams outside of the south competing. The sectionals were hosted by ODAC member Virginia Wesleyan (2006-07), ODAC member Randolph-Macon (2003), Christopher Newport (2001) and ODAC member Hampden-Sydney (1999). South region teams advanced to the Final Four in four of those five sectionals. Among the ten out of region teams not to advance: Illinois Wesleyan, Wisconsin-Oshkosh, Wooster and John Carroll. The only team to advance was William Patterson in the Christopher Newport 2001 sectional beating CNU in overtime.

I think the last few years the south has earned just a little respect.



Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 10:18:30 PM

I really think that the South is the ODAC and the pretenders.

Guilford, VWC and HSC are really a cut above the rest of the South.
Only the ODAC has a favorable record outside South Region opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 14, 2007, 11:57:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on October 14, 2007, 11:39:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2007, 10:55:03 PM
This is easily true. However, it doesn't mean a whole lot, being second-best in the South.

Well Pat, we've only had a south region team in the national championship game the last two years and one national championship. The south has had three Final Four teams in the last five years.

By my count, there have been five sectionals hosted in the south since 1999 with ten teams outside of the south competing. The sectionals were hosted by ODAC member Virginia Wesleyan (2006-07), ODAC member Randolph-Macon (2003), Christopher Newport (2001) and ODAC member Hampden-Sydney (1999). South region teams advanced to the Final Four in four of those five sectionals. Among the ten out of region teams not to advance: Illinois Wesleyan, Wisconsin-Oshkosh, Wooster and John Carroll. The only team to advance was William Patterson in the Christopher Newport 2001 sectional beating CNU in overtime.

I think the last few years the south has earned just a little respect.



Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 10:18:30 PM

I really think that the South is the ODAC and the pretenders.

Guilford, VWC and HSC are really a cut above the rest of the South.
Only the ODAC has a favorable record outside South Region opponents.
Ralph,
   They are also the only conference to host sectionals in the last ten years beside CNU's sectional in 2001.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 12:10:10 AM
Only the ODAC has earned respect, I think, not the South as a whole.

Remember that the ODAC had a team in the F4 before the time frame you cite, and that didn't do anything for the South as a whole.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 15, 2007, 12:14:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 12:10:10 AM
Only the ODAC has earned respect, I think, not the South as a whole.

Remember that the ODAC had a team in the F4 before the time frame you cite, and that didn't do anything for the South as a whole.

I know what you meant, just giving you a hard time. But if you take the top conference out of each region, I think all of them would take a pretty big hit in regards to respect.

We should have another talented team on the court this year and hopefully we can get another shot at the tournament. The HSC tourney should be good preparation.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 15, 2007, 01:09:44 PM
Sounds like someone such at ETBwho that has four NAIA games on the schedule is not doing themselves or the conference any good.  Do these teams have trouble getting these games in region? I know MIllsaps and and Austin College and Hendrix are not much furthere for some of the East teams, why don't they play them?

I can't find LC's schedule, anyone seen one or know where the link may be?
Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 15, 2007, 02:12:10 PM
The LC schedule is on their school's athletic webpage.  Here's the link.


http://www.lcwildcats.net/schedules.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 15, 2007, 02:57:33 PM
Wow, four Division I schools and the Millsaps tourney, could be getting them ready or could have them beat down in a hurry! Tough schedule. But with four d1 games could mean lots of money for the program.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 03:11:27 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on October 15, 2007, 12:14:36 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2007, 12:10:10 AM
Only the ODAC has earned respect, I think, not the South as a whole.

Remember that the ODAC had a team in the F4 before the time frame you cite, and that didn't do anything for the South as a whole.

I know what you meant, just giving you a hard time. But if you take the top conference out of each region, I think all of them would take a pretty big hit in regards to respect.

Yes, but not in 'change in respect over the past five years,' which is what you're referring to.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocs4life on October 15, 2007, 11:11:40 PM
I have heard that mc brought in the best class of recruits ever since becoming division 3. Not only did they bring in the normal juco recruits they get, but they brought in several good freshmen that make the future look bright. Being a former player i am excited to see how jones and lofton can develop these young player.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2007, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: chocs4life on October 15, 2007, 11:11:40 PM
I have heard that MC brought in the best class of recruits ever since becoming division 3. Not only did they bring in the normal juco recruits they get, but they brought in several good freshmen that make the future look bright. Being a former player I am excited to see how Jones and Lofton can develop these young players.
chocs, I have three questions.

Miss College went 11 deep in 2006-07 with some very good players hardly breaking a sweat on many nights.  How many more players will get substantive minutes for MC?  Coach Jones' half court style (spend 10-15 secs of every offensive possession walking the ball around) is not like Grinnell or Nolan Richardson's 40 Minutes of H-e- double hockey stick, where you are running 15-deep.

Does Miss College institute a JV so some of these 35 players (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4502.2542) can get some playing time?

If there is no JV, then does the coaching and development occur with players #21-35 in another gym or at another time?   :)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chocs4life on October 16, 2007, 08:27:37 AM
I have heard that MC could actually be 15 deep this year. With players 11-15 being pretty much as good as the starters. On the jv, they used to have one but i do not believe they still do. They will start practice with all 35 players. Then of course about 8-10 will quit leaving them with around 25. Then some of those will realize they couldnt make the top 15 so they will take the year off(kinda like redshirting but D3 has no redshirts). Then practice will have around 20 throughout the year. They will dress 20 or more at home but normally around 15 on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2007, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: chocs4life on October 16, 2007, 08:27:37 AM
I have heard that MC could actually be 15 deep this year. With players 11-15 being pretty much as good as the starters. On the jv, they used to have one but i do not believe they still do. They will start practice with all 35 players. Then of course about 8-10 will quit leaving them with around 25. Then some of those will realize they couldnt make the top 15 so they will take the year off(kinda like redshirting but D3 has no redshirts). Then practice will have around 20 throughout the year. They will dress 20 or more at home but normally around 15 on the road.
That makes sense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 16, 2007, 02:13:54 PM
Here are the ASC preseason predictions, found them on the ASC website:
AMERICAN SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE
2007-2008 PRESEASON MEN'S BASKETBALL
HEAD COACHES/SIDs/MEDIA POLL

West Division


Team (1st place votes)
Pts.
2006-07 Record

1.
Mary Hardin-Baylor (10)
  170
  22-6, 17-4 ASC

2.
McMurry (10)
  163
  20-7, 17-4 ASC

3.
Hardin-Simmons (1)
  140
  16-12, 14-7 ASC

4.
Concordia Texas (3)
  131
  10-16, 9-12 ASC

5.
Howard Payne
  84
  7-18, 7-14 ASC

6.
Sul Ross State
  80
  8-16, 8-13 ASC

7.
Texas Lutheran
  61
  4-20, 4-17 ASC

8.
Schreiner
  35
  6-19, 6-15 ASC


East Division


Team (1st place votes)
Pts.
2006-07 Record

1.
Mississippi College (20)
  146
  27-3, 19-1 ASC

2.
LeTourneau (1)
  107
  15-10, 13-7 ASC

3.
Texas-Dallas
  95
  18-8, 13-7 ASC

4.
Texas-Tyler
  75
  6-18, 5-15 ASC

5.
Louisiana College
  68
  8-17, 8-12 ASC

6.
Ozarks
  59
  8-17, 7-13 ASC

7.
East Texas Baptist
  38
  7-18, 7-13 ASC




These look pretty accurate to me.  Preseason players are Jean from HSU and Winford from MC. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2007, 02:43:20 PM
McMurry lost Gardner and Alvin Stevens.  It turns out that Stevens did not have a "medical redshirt" year from a previous school, and he was actually a senior in 2006-07.

This makes sense.  UMHB had the Pool C bid last year and brings plenty of that core of the team back.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2007, 12:02:02 AM
Thanks, chocs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on October 17, 2007, 01:52:36 PM
Hey guys,

Been awhile!  Hope everyone is doing well!

Nice to see LETU slide into the number 2 spot on the East.  First time in a long while that there have been any expectations on ANY athletic teams here.  Hopefully they should be very exciting for us this season!  'Jackets return their top 4 scorers and only lost one player (though an intragual part) from last year's team.

New Comers for LETU
Rickie Harriss 6'4" Forward~ transfer from San Antonio.  Will provide some depth at the forward spot.  Very athletic and should fill the gap that Marcus Coleman left from his graduation. 

Josh Davis 6'5" Forward ~ transfer from JUCO out in Wyoming.  Coaches son who is fundamentally sound.  Coming off a wrist injury that may limit his time early in the season. 

Chase Pullen 5'10" Guard ~ DEADLY from the outside.  If he sees playing time, it will be interesting to see if Coach Davis uses him and Jayme Bradley together in zone situations. 

Happy to see that there are NO NAIA games on our schedule, which includes a D1 warm-up game against Lamar and playing in a Colorado Tournament.  We also host to UMHB in a non-conference game. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2007, 03:33:15 PM
Great schedule for LeTU!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 18, 2007, 10:54:53 AM
What are opinions on some of the biggest surprises in the preseaon rankings whether they be high or low?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on October 18, 2007, 11:12:21 AM
My suprises come from the East side. 

First off, after LC's showing in the tournament last year, returning a dynamic Josh Johnson, they would've received more recognition in the conference rankings.

Second, UT-Dallas losing two starting guards, I felt they would've been heading for a down season. 

Anyone able to provide insight on this?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on October 21, 2007, 07:19:28 PM
So Ralph, did you get a chance to see our teams on Saturday night?  I see we've got a 7 footer in the line up, that's a big change for McM basketball.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2007, 08:43:27 PM
Actually, I was unable to leave Dallas.

I look forward to seeing how this team works together.  The chemistry was excellent last year, and we have 8 guys returning who got excellent minutes or have great experience with the team.

UMHB will be tough as will Mississippi College.

I am ready!

We haven't had a 7'0"-ish player since the Leverett and Kim Maina eras.  We have had some 6'8"s who were able to contribute.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on October 21, 2007, 10:22:02 PM
I'm hoping that the addition of height at the post will help us most on the boards, allowing more second chance points.  It would also be nice to see our tall guards have the opportunuity to pull back from the 4-5 and put the long ball back into the McM game plan.  I know the new kid's a freshman, so he'll certainly take some seasoning, but it could sure provide a different look.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 26, 2007, 02:53:12 PM
Found this on the ASC website: Which team that didn't make the 2007 ASC tournament has the best chance of doing so in 2008? 
East Texas Baptist
14.4%
Howard Payne
12.8%
Ozarks
23.2%
Schreiner
6.4%
Sul Ross State
13.6%
Texas-Tyler
24.8%
Texas Lutheran
4.8%
Total Votes:  125


Any comments? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2007, 04:29:28 PM
UT-Tyler was ineligible for the Tourney last season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 26, 2007, 07:00:54 PM
I know but look at their record from last year.  Is just the coaching change that warrants this thought? ETBU and them had terrible records last year and both had a high percentage on this vote, my question is why? What have all these teams done to possibly get them into the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2007, 10:10:31 PM
I don't know why those to teams have received that number of votes, unless it is homerism!  ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 28, 2007, 10:14:44 PM
Even though etbu and ozarks had bad records they were both one win away from being in the tournament.  Having seen etbu practice a handful of times I think we are better than last year.  Also any kind of pole like that you never know who is voting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 31, 2007, 06:06:58 PM
Why do you think ETBwho is better :D? I saw they posted their roster and it looks like everyone is new to the program but tons of freshmen.  One I think must be a lineman, he is huge, like 6'6'' 295 or something.   :o

I have looked at many rosters and when checking out McMurry saw a great article on their website about Ralph Turner, I am guessing this is the same one who posts on here? Good for you Ralph if it is the same one, sounds like a great man!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2007, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 31, 2007, 06:06:58 PM
I have looked at many rosters and when checking out McMurry saw a great article on their website about Ralph Turner, I am guessing this is the same one who posts on here? Good for you Ralph if it is the same one, sounds like a great man!
Actually I am his slothful, evil twin who does nothing but hang out on the message boards all day, while he is gainfully employed in ridding the world of pain, disease and suffering.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 01, 2007, 11:35:37 AM
For those who'd like to read it:

http://www.mcm.edu/newsite/web/univ_relations/alumni/turner.htm (http://www.mcm.edu/newsite/web/univ_relations/alumni/turner.htm)

That's awesome ralph!  Congrats!  Nice picture by the way!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 02, 2007, 10:29:31 AM
Pre season top 25 and we have four teams from the ASC two womens and two mens:

Women:Howard Payne
McMurry

Men: Mississippi College
UMHB
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 03, 2007, 10:26:58 AM
It's good to have both UMHB and MC in the preseason top 25.  I think UMHB is pretty good, but losing Guyden to graduation I think will be a big loss for them.  He was really their difference maker in a number of games.  Maybe they have someone else waiting in the wings.  I'm really ready for the season to tip off.  I was also surprised in the preseason rankings about LC being a little low.  They have a great starting five, but have not shown much depth in recent years which could come back to haunt them.  UTD could struggle if they haven't brought in a solid point guard to replace Carruthers.  Anybody have any preseason picks for first teamers?

In the East I would go with
Josh Johnson, LC
Tyler Winford, MC
Dusty Evers, LETU
Jonathan Collins, MC
Dewones Smith, LETU

Not as familiar with the West, but do think Concordia could cause some problems if Maxwell is back and healthy and they have learned to play just a touch of defense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on November 06, 2007, 11:53:56 AM
Exhibition Games (so far)

UTSA  76
UMHB 58    (halftime 32-22)

UTEP 101
SRSU   38   (halftime 58-11)

Texas State  131
Concordia       96    (halftime 70-42)

Northwestern 95
ETBU               57   (halftime 43-29)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 06, 2007, 01:52:10 PM
Looks like many of the teams competed well atleast early on.  I don't know much but being from Louisiana I believe ETBwho had the toughest opponent.  I was at the game (other than LC, they are my favs!) and the demons are very very talented and very deep. They will probably win the Southland Conferene and make a run, possibly a Sweet Sixteen type run.  They are loaded and shoot it as well as anybody out there.  This team is better than the one that made a run two years ago and beat Iowa.  ETBwho looks like they play lots of freshman.  I don't recognize anyone from the team they had last year except for one of their guards who missed a lot of shots.  No standouts for them, very average looking team for the kitty cats this year.  Hard to get any sort of idea against teams like NSU though

Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 06, 2007, 09:27:04 PM
For those who missed the story on the front page, Coach Jones had bypass surgery this afternoon but is expected to make a full recovery. He was scheduled for a few tests this morning and his doctors decided to go ahead and do the surgery. Coach Lofton will be running the team in Coach Jones' absence.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2007, 01:04:46 AM
Get well soon, Coach Jones!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 08, 2007, 02:12:22 AM
I had an opportunity to see the Choctaws play an exhibition tonight at Arkansas-Monticello, a Division II Gulf South Conference member.

MC lost 77-72, but I came away impressed. Particularly considering that Coach Lofton played 16 players and is still experimenting while UAM looked like they already had their regular season rotation figured out with nine players playing.

Prince Trotter hit 8-8 shots to score 19 points and also grabbed eight rebounds for the Choctaws. Kiki Christmas finished with 15 as eleven players scored. Good early game for MC against a pretty good team. UAM is usually a middle of the pack GSC team. They were down a bit last year after a Sweet Sixteen run in 2006.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2007, 07:23:53 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on November 08, 2007, 02:12:22 AMKiki Christmas finished with 15 as eleven players scored.

... and we have our first nominee for "D3 Name of the Year"! ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 08, 2007, 12:07:53 PM
Sounds like there is a reason why the Chocs are once again favorites to win the ASC, how on earth do they keep reloading and continue this kind of success? Is anyone going to ever be able to step up and dethrone them? My cats are sleepers!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 08, 2007, 10:59:28 PM
Mary Hardin-Baylor had an exhibition game at UT San Antonio last Saturday night and lost 76-58. Looking at the boxscore, UMHB played very well with Ryan Burgart scoring 18 points with nine rebounds. UTSA is a DI member of the Southland Conference and returns four starters from last year's 7-22 team.

Here's the game story
http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=55680&SPID=5988&DB_OEM_ID=13100&ATCLID=1301742 (http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=55680&SPID=5988&DB_OEM_ID=13100&ATCLID=1301742)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 13, 2007, 04:04:05 PM
I was just looking at the ASC composite schedule and there are a few early season games that could tell us a bit about how strong the conference is.  Both LeTourneau and McMurry are at the Colorado College season opener this weekend and I would be disappointed if the two didn't meet in the championship game.  UT Tyler gets a chance to show if they will be back in the mix this year as they open up against Sewanee and Emory, two teams that weren't very good last year but come from more well known conferences SCAC and UAA.  Hardin-Simmons gets a chance to take a bite out of the SCAC's Southwestern on 11/20 and Trinity on 11/26.  Trinity was 16-12 last year.  La. College has a potentially tough match up at Millsaps on 11/23.  Millsaps was 18-9 last year.  The best game may be the UMHB-LETU matchup on Nov. 24 that won't count toward the ASC standings.  Last year, the Jackets were the last team to beat the Cru before they reeled off something like 20 straight wins.

Will anybody be at any of these games?  The only one I will see is the UMHB-LETU game. 

Ralph, are you gonna try to get to Colorado this weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2007, 04:49:08 PM
No, but if you are there, I think that McMbluedevil will be there.

Travel safely!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2007, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: gccfan on November 13, 2007, 04:04:05 PM
I was just looking at the ASC composite schedule and there are a few early season games that could tell us a bit about how strong the conference is. 
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The best game may be the UMHB-LETU matchup on Nov. 24 that won't count toward the ASC standings.  Last year, the Jackets were the last team to beat the Cru before they reeled off something like 20 straight wins.

gccfan,

Are they not counting the inter-division games towards the division title?

I hope that is the case.  It gives a team the chance to learn how to work together, and keeps teams from being eliminated before the start of spring classes!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 13, 2007, 05:06:37 PM
Ralph i think that first meeting is just a filler game.  They play again Jan. 3rd for a game that counts in the standings.

Like you I think it's unfortunate to have so many conference games.  With only having 25 regular season games, once you play in one tournament your out of conference games are pretty much used up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 13, 2007, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2007, 04:52:09 PM
gccfan,

Are they not counting the inter-division games towards the division title?

I hope that is the case.  It gives a team the chance to learn how to work together, and keeps teams from being eliminated before the start of spring classes!

Ralph,
    The intra-division games do count toward the conference standings again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2007, 11:46:56 PM
Thanks for the clarificaiton.

I strongly disagree with that policy for the reasons that I have stated. 

There are advantages for the teams that are thinking that they can get the Pool A bid. (I guess that is all 15!)

The decision to play inter-division does help with "in-region" games.  However, the real season ought to start after a school has played 10-12 games in the early season. (I will concede the early cross-over games, e.g., McM-HSU in December.)

It helps no one to scheudle a bunch of NAIA's or more than 1 D-1 (money game).  The only way to make the conference look stronger is to book in-region D3's (and win them.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 14, 2007, 10:10:58 AM
Ralph, I will actually be headed to Alabama this weekend to watch the LeTourneau women's team.  The reason the LETU men are playing UMHB in a non-conference game is because I think originally the Jackets were going to be playing in the UMHB Christmas tournament, but something happened that made it not possible to happen so UMHB decided to come out to Longview instead.  I'm not for sure on the specifics but am reasonably sure it's something along those lines.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 14, 2007, 03:20:30 PM
Did anyone go to the Let. Lamar game? Saw the Jackets had a tough one.  Seems that the two favs, MC and UMHB had the most competitive exhibitions so far.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 17, 2007, 12:27:36 AM
Well, the ASC took care of business in Colorado tonight, both McMurry and LeTourneau won and it looks like both won fairly easily just looking at the scores.  Too bad they have to play each tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 17, 2007, 01:21:33 AM
Congratulations to Coach Ron Holmes on his 300th Career victory at McMurry with a 77-63 win over George Fox.  It started off REAL slow as we got down 13-3, as we struggled on offense.  We finally got into gear as we led by 4 at the half and pulled away in the second half.  McM's defense was very good and we got good guard play out of Dewyane Hall with 24 and Alex Robles with 19.  Chris Beck played well in the post with 16 points. McM showed signs of being an athletic team with good chemistry.  The strength of this team will be their defensive play. We are without starting point guard Robert Moreno, with a hurt knee and Drew Rigney who is recovering from a knee injury.  We did play about 10 players deep.

LeTourneau will be a good test and a tough one at that.  It will be intersting to see how we can play against Dusty Evers and they appear to be very athletic.  Should be a good game.

That is all for now...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 17, 2007, 08:58:38 AM
Good start to the season last night for MC in an 83-57 win over Pensacola Christian. We played sloppy early in the second half with PC taking a 37-35 lead with about 16 minutes to play, but we went on a 28-6 run to put the game away. Pensacola is not a great team but they weren't terrible, they play Millsaps today. That's MC's only nonconference game before travelling to Concordia and UMHB in two weeks.

A few notes from the game: Prince Trotter, Tyler Winford and Kiki Christmas each had good nights with all in double figures. Coach Lofton still played about 15 last night trying to figure out his rotation.

Everyone knows about Tyler, but Trotter and Christmas will be very good players in this league. Trotter is a 6'5" forward who was a big recruit last year. Coaches moved him to guard and he struggled, but they moved him back to his natural post position at the end of last year and he has played great since.

Christmas is a 6'4" guard who averaged 24 per game at Hinds Junior College two years ago. There were several other newcomers who played well. Bryan Johnson, a 6'7", 230 pound JUCO post player had a good night.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 17, 2007, 11:32:12 AM
ETBU lost to 6-0 Belhaven last night.  I think the final was by 11, but Belhaven led by 20+ at times.  The young guys showed some signs in the second half.  Crosstown rival Wiley will be at Ornelas tonight.


In positive ETBU new Cedric Isom is averaging 28 ppg through 7 games for Thor Ak in the ISL express league.  He hit a couple free throws with .2 seconds left the other night to win a game 107-106. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on November 17, 2007, 05:25:52 PM
A young Bulldog team loses to Jarvis Christian 80-76.

SO center JC Herebia scored 24 points, pulled down 11 boards and was a perfect 9-9 from the line.

JR wing man Nate Walton added 19 points in the loss on 5-15 shooting, and 8-9 from the line.  He knows he has to score for the Bulldogs to win, but he puts too much pressure on himself, isn't patient enough, and has never had very good shot selection. He's still one of the few Bulldogs capable of creating his own shot, or taking over a game.

The Bulldogs did shoot 81.5% from the line, and it's always great to a see a big man like Herebia be able to knock down 3s, but what was he doing shooting 3s? (1-5)  He has about as much business pulling up from downtown as Ryan Burgart.

Looks to be a long season for the Bulldogs.  If their second best low post option is David Freeman, that's not a good sign. Don't get me wrong, the guy plays with a lot of intensity, but he's never going to be a viable offensive threat.

Could Michael Hill not play the four?  He's such a gifted athlete, who's long and athletic I feel like I he could play the four, or should at least be a bigger part of the offensive scheme for the Bulldogs.

Also, Jr. Josh Scott hasn't developed into the outsider shooter they thought he would be when they got him from the Woodlands a couple of years ago.

Some young guys definitely got some significant minutes off the bench and it'll be interesting to see how this team "grows up" this year.

Just_Some_Guy

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2007, 10:21:58 PM
McMurry point guard, Robert Moreno, is injuerd and has not played in the Colorado.

LeTU is real.  They are ties with McMurry, 46-46, at the half.

Good games this weekend...
McMurry won an in-region game over George Fox from the Northwest Conference.  (Administrative Region #4).

LeTU beat Colorado College yesterday, too.  Colorado is also in Administrative Region #4 for Texas schools.

Both in-region wins help the conference!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 17, 2007, 11:18:14 PM
Sul Ross beat DII Texas-Permian Basin tonight 70-51. Last night Permian Basin beat Howard Payne 108-54.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2007, 11:38:29 PM
McM 93, LeTU 80.  McM played clutch ball down the stretch.  LeTU narrowed the game to 3 points at McM 77-74 with 5:00 left.  Phone call from McMBlueDevil who is at the game.

I will let McMBlueDevil finish the summary.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 18, 2007, 03:10:39 PM
I got the boxscore from the LETU-MCM game... LeTourneau led 34-22 with about five minutes to go in the first half and then MCM went on a 43-18 run over the next 10 minutes.  The Jackets closed to within three a few times later in the half, but McMurry held them off by hitting their free throws at the end.  Alex Robles came up big for MCM with five three's and 18 points to earn tournament MVP honors.  Dusty Evers had 20 points in both games and was their rep on the all-tournament team.  Should be a good one when they meet again in two weeks in Abilene.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 19, 2007, 12:16:50 PM
I am sorry for the delayed reporting of the game.  It was late Saturday night when I returned to the hotel and I traveled all day yesterday.  Saturday's game vs LeT was a good one.  First of all let me say that I was very impressed with the Jackets.  They are athletic and talented.  Evers is a legitimate threat but they have other weapons around him.  The game was very evenly matched.  McM had a run at the beginning of the second half that got them a 13 point lead.  The rest of the half the lead varied from 13 to 8.  Then with about 5:00 to go LeT cut it to three on sveral occasions.  McM led 84-80 with about 2 min to go and made some key defensive stops and scored the last 9 point.

I like McMurry's team.  Alex Robles and DeWayne Hall are legitmate outside threats and scorers.  Chris Beck had 2 solid games in the post and Terrance Willis gives us some athleticism inside as well. We got key play from reserve guards Glenn Brown and Curtis Davis.  We are still missing Robert Moreno.  His return will help even further in freeing up our shooters.  Plus we are still missing Drew Rigney, his return will help as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 19, 2007, 01:31:34 PM
I did some looking and saw that the ASC did well as a whole on the opening weekend except for a few blunders by HPwho who got hammered by UTPB and ETBwho who lost both games this last weekend, one by 11 and the other by 19 :o.  Other than that pretty good start looks like :).


Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 20, 2007, 12:02:41 PM
What about Ozarks this year? They won at Division II #24 Henderson State last night 87-76. Henderson State went 23-9 last year and won the West Division of the Gulf South Conference.

Ozarks dropped their season opener last Friday 78-93 at Division I Northwestern State of the Southland Conference. Ozarks trailed 46-41 at the half and 65-59 midway through the second half. NSU went 17-15 last year and in the Southland Preseason Poll were picked to finish 2nd in the East Division.

Just a couple of impressive stats I think. Ozarks was outrebounded 42-38 against NSU and actually outrebounded Henderson State 34-33. Usually in the DI-DII games, even if you keep it close you get outrebounded by a good margin.

The only bad thing is the Henderson State win won't help Ozarks or the ASC out in the NCAA regional rankings. Still a great win though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 20, 2007, 03:19:18 PM
Sounds like Ozarks is for real or those teams did not take them seriously enough, many things have to be taken into account.  Either way though good start for Ozarks.  I know a few teams open up tonight, HSU for one, any others? I know ETBwhos your daddy has LSU-Shreveport, a #10 ranking in NAIA tonight as well.  Good luck LC this week at Millsaps!!!!!!

Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 20, 2007, 11:02:27 PM
HPU 73 SAGU 60.  HPU played much better in this game than in the UTPB game but still had way too many turnovers. Tom Hermann led the way with 18 pts 11 rbs and Travis Dawson had 13 pts 5 stls.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 24, 2007, 04:48:28 PM
At the half, LeTourneau is looking pretty good against UMHB.  Both teams have played a ton of guys.  LETU has played 11 and UMHB 15.  Neiman Ford didn't make the trip, he's on the roster, but I haven't seen his name in any of their preseason boxscores so I'm not sure if he's hurt or what.  LETU quickness has been the difference so far.  UMHB has used three lineups of 5 and the third group of mostly freshman seemed to do the best for them.  We'll see what happens in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 25, 2007, 05:01:14 PM
My Wildcats start off 1-1 on the season ;D  Put up huge points against Huntigdon College.  They are a sleeper! Also saw a good one must have taken place against Let. and UMHB.  Hope everyone had a good Turkey Day!
Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 25, 2007, 09:16:00 PM
Well, you probably already know, but UMHB came out on a 17-0 run to start the second half and held off the Jackets by 5.  I would suspect that neither team would say they put their best foot forward, but both looked good in stretches.  You gotta hand it to UMHB for buckling down and not giving up early.  Hopefully for Letourneau they are learning some valuable lessons in the early going that they can use for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2007, 09:32:53 PM
No radio at ETBU for the McMurry game tonight...  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 28, 2007, 12:18:30 AM
i think our radio doesnt start until conference  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 28, 2007, 03:33:49 PM
Saw the McNasty and ETBwho conference, nonconference game ended up with the Artist formely known as Indians winning by 10.  Anyone at the game?  ETBwho's your Daddy now is struggling mightely being 0-4. :'(  They may be the only team who has not won a game in the conference.  Any insites on this one?  Can't wait until we see them this year, always a tough game!


Go Wildcats!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2007, 06:46:22 PM
Let me get this rant/appeal posted before this weekend's action.

Miss College (widely known as the team I want to beat most other than winning the Abilene City Championship   ;) ) should not be forced to play a conference game on the road at UMHB for its 3rd game of the season.

I appeal to the conference and the conference coaches to re-think these things.

Goal #1 -- Have a fair and equitable Division Race.

Goal #2 -- Have a fair an equitable post-season tournament to determine the post-season bid.

Goal #3 -- Position ASC teams (in all sports, not just basketball) to be viewed most favorably by the Selection Committee.

As we consider basketball here, I believe that the Divisional race should only include the double round-robin intra-divisional games.  These games should be scheduled as late in the season as possible, but giving latitude to the travel partners to schedule their games when convenient and most appropriate.  This gives the coaches 10-12 games in which to work out the kinks, make sure that the players have remained eligible and to give a "second chance" to those teams that have a slow start.

Therefore, vote in 2008-09 to have the divisional title determined by the Divisional Record.

This also helps with the fair access to the tourney.  Altho' end of the season performance is not an NCAA primary criterion for the playoffs, it does give a better championship to have almost all of the teams competing for that (3rd and 4th) playoff berth going into the last 2-4 games of the season.   Now that UT-Tyler is a full member, they are strengthening the field from the ASC-East.  A team that is competing against a team that is still in tourney contention is better for the level of competition than a team that has "checked it in" for the year.

This point reinforces the argument for the Divisional Title being determined by intra-divisional games.

Provide some flexibility to teams who wish to play in tournaments in other parts of the country.  As it is now, the conference schedule of 20/21 mandated games takes away some of the weekends in which an ASC team could schedule a tournament in another part of the country to boost the OWP and the OOWP, which impact regional rankings.  Inter-divisional games have value as being South Region games, but were the conference to mandate only four games played in January, this would allow the coaches some flexibility to schedule some non-conference /in-region games in December.  It is to a team's advantage to play in-region foes, but you have to have the open dates to do that.  Once those dates have been used, then a team can play an extra inter-division game to fill out the schedule, as ETBU and McM have done and LeTU and UMHB have done.  It is most preferable to play a D3 school in the non-conference over NAIA's, unless it is that D-1 "money" game that pays for the trip to the good high-profile tourney.  ;)

Thus, mandate four inter-divisional games for those first two weekend in January to help fill the 25 games needed.

Strongly encourage ASC teams to play more D3 schools in the non-conference, so as to raise the profile of the ASC.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 29, 2007, 10:26:13 AM
Mr. Turner, you had me at hello!
I am confused but I am not a smart man.  :-\
Anyways you are right, I really don't like we have the opportunity to only play 2-3 nonconference games while the other conferences don't have too.  I say we split the East and the West into two new cnferences that way the teams can still play each other if needed in the regular season and then each conference can play the regular season and invite their whole conference to the tourney and see if a cinderella 6 win team can pull out the upset and go to the little big dance!
Go LC Wildcats!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 29, 2007, 10:29:08 AM
Lucky for us we got to play Millsaps and Huntingdon along witht the money game.  Other schools are not so fortunate.  I know I pick on ETBwho but they played three NAIA schools and according to you, Ralph, that is no good for them especially since they went 0-3.  I don't know how many more D3 schools are close enough for the Texas schools but luckily we are within range of the Mississippi schools we can get a few in.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 01:29:42 PM
#1ascfanman, LaColl and LeTU did great jobs on their non-conference schedule, trying to get D3 opponents.

It is tough, being isolated, but LaColl co-operating with Millsaps, getting 2 in-region games was great!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 29, 2007, 01:31:44 PM
#1ascfan... it would be tough to start two new conferences because I think you need 8 (maybe 7) teams to have an automatic bid.  This might work out for basketball, but the other sports would suffer dramatically without the automatic bid because not every school plays every sport.  I do like Ralph's idea of playing only four of the other division schools each year.  Baseball only plays two schools from the opposite division.  I think that could work, then you get a chance to play some other in-region opponents and gives teams a chance to get their squad together before conference games start.  +1 Ralph
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 02:46:16 PM
To start another conference getting the AQ, one needs seven teams in 5 sports (5 men's and 5 women's) and one sport in each of the three seasons, fall, winter and spring.  To hold a formal championship, there must be a minimum of 4 teams.  Seven teams are required for the AQ.  AQ's are now available in FB, VB, Soccer, Hoops, Baseball, Softball, Tennis and Golf, both men's and women's.

It works out that about four schools would need to add various sports, and there would be affiliation possibilities to split into 2 distinct conferences in some of the "minor" sports.  I have heard that we need about 2-3 more schools on the East and the West to really make it work well. But, I sure wish we could!

Let me see what I can find at home that describes this.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 30, 2007, 11:43:17 AM
I guess UMHB is for real, thought my Wildcats would fair much better.  Hopefully we can pull one out against Concord ia grapes. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 01, 2007, 07:15:16 PM
LeTourneau looked great today against Hardin-Simmons.  The Jackets ran out to a 43-20 halftime lead.  Jesse Hayes went 6-for-8 from three-point range for LETU and Marcel Louimeus did a great job on Jean in the first half.  He held him to 2-of-10 shooting in the first half, Jean finished with 17, but most were against the Jacket second stringers in the second half.  Overall, a very good win for LeTourneau on the road.

I also heard that ETBU beat McMurry on a last second three, that's a huge upset.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 01, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
Just a few notes from the MC-UMHB game. Biggest early season game I can remember in the league in quite a while with UMHB ranked #9 and MC #23.

Long night for MC shooting as they just couldn't buy a shot and UMHB shot over 50 percent both halves. MC trailed 41-24 at the half after hitting 10-36 shots (27%). MC got back in the game and trailed 69-64 with four minutes remaining, but still shot bad in the second half and hit 28-83 for the game (33%). UMHB was 29-52 from the field (56%).

The Cru were 27-37 from the foul line, MC was 17-24. UMHB sealed the game with 12-13 free throws in the final 3:30. MC outrebounded UMHB 49-40 with 28 offensive boards and actually only had 13 turnovers to 17 for UMHB, but just couldn't score.

Tyler Winford had 20 points and 14 rebounds for the Choctaws. UMHB was led by Tillman Gaddy (23) and Tim Lytle (21). Several new players played well for UMHB, they have another very good team.

I thought MC would have a hard time this week having played just one game entering this week and playing in two tough venues, particularly at UMHB where everyone has trouble. MC actually suffered their only regular season loss two years ago at UMHB when they went 29-2 so losing there is nothing to be ashamed of, especially considering this could be the best team they have had.

I'm really excited about the ASC this year with a some good nonconference wins already. MC has very good players again but with 9 new players in the 12 man rotation, it might be after Christmas when they start to play well together. UMHB is getting a lot of national attention and LeTourneu looks like they picked up where they left off. McMurry, UTD, and Sul Ross also have good teams so far. I wouldn't be surprised if Concordia surprises some people this year, very good athletes on that team.

MC has one game next week, Wesley College, and then hosts McMurry and HSU the next week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 01, 2007, 10:11:45 PM
Chris, I totally agree with you on the quality of the ASC.  There are quite a few good teams this year in addition to the usual good ones.  Looks like Concordia might be set for a break out type season now that they have had their guys running the same system for a few years.  Looks like they handled an Ozarks team that beat a good DII about two weeks ago.  It looks like UMHB will move up to #6 this week after three teams ahead of them lost.   It looks like anybody can beat anybody else.   

I have a question to throw out there, who are players that have been surprising to the rest of you out there.  A few I have noticed is Tim Lytle (UMHB), Tom Hermann (TLU), Art Gonzalez (SRSU) and Brad Walker (CTX), all four of them have really stepped up there play in the early going from where they were a year ago.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2007, 10:15:28 PM
The final McM score was ETBU 63, McM 60.  We were ahead 60-59 with just 30 seconds to go and the ball; all we had to do was throw it in, get fouled, and make our free throws.  But we botched the throw-in and ETBU got it and made a 3-pointer.  That left us 15 seconds but we missed the basket and then, to add insult to injury, we called a timeout when we were out of timeouts.  The resulting technical gave ETBU one more point.  It was not a good outcome for both our first conference game and first game at home.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2007, 10:45:49 PM
gccfan actually Tom Hermann is from HPU.  I dont know if I would call him a surprising player, he's played great his whole time at HPU.  He scored 30 today in their win against Ozarks.

Art Gonzalez is a great shooter for SRSU.  They have a bunch of good shooters.  If they get their fundamentals down, even with their lack of height, they'll give a lot of team fits.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2007, 10:06:50 PM
gccfan,

I have finally calmed down from the loss to ETBU yesterday!

I have so many thoughts about that game!

1)  We should not have lost that game!  As I looked at what it was going to take to make the playoffs in the pre-season, I thought that it would take 21 in-region wins in the regular season.  (A win versus UTSA is fun to imagine, but the selection committee doesn't consider it, at all!  A win over UTSA and $5.00 gets you a latte at Starbucks!)  We got the 2 wins that we needed in Colorado and the win over  ETBU in Marshall, but I counted on going 6-1 versus the East (including going to Miss College) and splitting with UMHB in the West.  That would give us 22-2 and maybe hosting the Tourney.  If we slipped up somewhere else, then we would still have twenty-one (South Region) wins in the regular season.

2)  I especially want McMurry fans to realize that the rules for getting an at-large Pool C bid (as UMHB did last year, and Miss College did the year that UT-D won the tourney and as the women have) have changed, and not to the benefit of the geographically isolated ASC.  You have heard me talk about our non-conference scheduling for several years now.  We don't help ourselves there.  Even bringing Pat Coleman to meet the coaches back in 2004 hasn't helped change it much.  I don't want to count on a Pool C bid.  I think that we have to win the ASC to get an NCAA tourney bid!

3)  Please remember that the Top 25 poll has absolutely no impact on getting a post-season bid.  UMHB can be #9 all season long, and they still have to win the tourney to guarantee a playoff bid!  We won't see a South Region Ranking until early February to see how close that we are.

4)  What we need to do now, is beat Miss College in Clinton and sweep UMHB, especially since the CRU has beaten Miss College.  I think that is what it will take to get the playoffs in Kimbrell this year.

5)  A general point of information about the at-large bids...Division III is not like Division I where you are thinking that the Big XII will get four bids, and the SEC will get 5 and the Big Ten will get 6 bids!  This year, there are 17 total Pool C bids to be spread around the 340 teams that haven't earned their conference AQ!  That is about a one in 20 chance of getting an at-large! Don't count on it! You can count on some 21 and 22 win teams sitting at home!

I am not writing this team off, but they had better have their game face on Monday night!  They have dug themselves a huge hole, and they have 20 conference games ahead of themselves to dig themselves out of it!  UMHB has a one game advantage on them, already.

I hope that the team gets serious about this, soon!

Win it all!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 02, 2007, 11:59:04 PM
wow, my wildcats surprised me in the wrong way, goin 0-2 to open things off.  We have to win all of our home games and take a few on the road somewhere to get into the playoffs.

ETBWhat!?!?!?! What a shocker.  They must be somewhat better than my initial thought.  If they beat HSU they could be a sleeper on the East.  Saw the box score and they have a lot of guys doing a lot of things looks like, but I still pick my boys to sweep  them!  Probably just a fluke.

UMHB gets a big early season win! This puts MC in last place in the conference atleast for a couple of days.  They struglled a little bit against Concord Grapes.   ;D  They will be tough to play on the road. 

What a start to conference play!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 03, 2007, 08:57:05 PM
What's frustrating for us LETU fans ~ we have had double digit leads in each of our first four games and have split.  Great out of conference schedule, but I'd like to see us play George Fox in Colorado instead of McM.

Great year for basketball though and as we've seen in the upper tiers of D1 and D2, anyone can lose on any given night!

Anyone actually watch the MC-UMHB game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 04, 2007, 02:38:07 PM
Ralph, when I heard MCM lost to ETBU my first thought was you.  I was at the MCM-LETU game last night so I'll try to give a little first hand opinion. 
1) LeTourneau is very good.  They are deep and can get up and down the court as fast as anyone.  JJ Rockmore really gets the team moving in transition.
2) Dewayne Hall is the real deal for McMurry, he single-handedly shot them back into the game.  I'm not sure why he didn't play until 5 minutes left in the first half, but he was virtually unstoppable last night.
3) I was very impressed with Terrance Willis, he's a very quick jumper allowing him to get offensive rebounds and block shots.  He blocked a Dewones Smith dunk last night.  Willis can be a difference maker for MCM this year.
4) My final thought is about Zac Majors for LeTourneau.  He scored a career high 18 points last night, including a go ahead 3 with 1:30 left and then drained both ends of a 1-and-1 with 12 seconds left to put the lead to 3.  He just moved into the starting lineup on Saturday, but I think you will see a lot more of him.  If you looked at him in lay-up lines he doesn't look like anything special, but he has a confidence about him.  Every shot he took hit nothing but net in those last minutes and he wasn't afraid to take the big shot.  I think we will be hearing more and more from him in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 04, 2007, 02:39:22 PM
Also wanted to say congrats to UMHB on their #5 ranking.  I'm guessing that is the highest they have ever been.  Good luck to the football team as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 04, 2007, 02:46:02 PM
To answer your question gcc fan, Dewayne Hall is playing with an aggrevated hamstring.  McM is beat up right now.  No excuses however LeT is the real deal.  I have great respect for JJ Rockmore.  I have had the chance to visit with him on several occasions and he is a top notch kid.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 04, 2007, 03:48:02 PM
Thanks McM Blue Devil... that's the type of info we pay the big bucks for   :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 04, 2007, 10:19:49 PM
It's a simple question, but if you had the first pick in your very own ASC Fantasy Basketball Draft, what player would you select.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 04, 2007, 11:33:01 PM
Just looking through some stats from games around the conference.

Noticed that Mike McKie, SR. for UT-Dallas isn't playing.  I always liked him and that he could be a tough match up for a lot of teams.  Any word on him?  I saw he played for two minutes in the first game and hasn't played since, so I assume knee injury.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 05, 2007, 10:45:05 AM
Sounds like this will be an interesting year to say the least! UT tyler loses to Schreiner! ???  ETBU beats McNasty and then loses a close one to HSU.  Box score from both games and the Cooper kid stands out, he may be one of the best in the conference at this point.  They only lose by four.  Abilene is always a tough road trip.  LC plays Lamar on the eighth, tough game after losing two over the weekend.  I would like to be at the LeT. ETBwho game on Saturday, I believe they are kinda rivals and it might turn out to be a big one.  I've got LeT. by 10 in this one, they are rolling right now.

Go LC!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2007, 11:46:24 AM
I know of these programs that have games available on the internet.  You can usually find the link of the schools web site.

Corrections appreciated:

Concordia
ETBU
HPU
HSU
LeTU
McMurry
Miss College
TLU ?
UT-Dallas

I will be posting results as possible on the in-game updates board, this season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 05, 2007, 12:08:56 PM
#1ascfanman... you are absolutely right, the ETBU-LETU game is a huge rivalry here in East Texas.  I'm a little worried about this game for the Jackets because you never know what will happen.  We have gotten them before when they were much better than us and now that I think we have the better team I hope our guys don't take them lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 05, 2007, 04:24:37 PM
I always love the rival games! Anything can happen!  On the vote you gotta add the kid from ETBwho.  21 against Homer Simpson University and good rebounder. 

Of course my vote is Josh!

Go CATS
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 07, 2007, 09:57:53 AM
Three big games this Saturday ;D  McNasty vs Homer Simpson University, LeT it out vs. ETBwho, and Howard Payne in the...vs Sully. 

I got McNasty by 5
LeT it out by 10
Sully by 11. 

Any other predictions ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 07, 2007, 11:31:30 AM
I think McMurry will run right past Hardin-Simmons.  LeTourneau should win, but I see a close game and then I think Sul Ross will take care of HPU so I guess that I agree with you #1ascfanman
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 07, 2007, 01:29:01 PM
Mississippi College beat Wesley College (MS) last night 69-65 with Tyler Winford scoring 16, Kiki Christmas 15 and Prince Trotter 13 with 18 rebounds. MC played very well despite not shooting the ball great. We have next week off before hosting Hardin-Simmons and McMurry.

Not many are familiar with Wesley College, a bible college just outside of Jackson. They are talented with a bunch of quick guards, including a couple All-State players out of Jackson. They are already 6-8 with 12 road games against teams like Xavier, Mobile, Belhaven, Loyola and Spring Hill, some of them twice. They lost to Belhaven by scores of 79-77 and 74-65. Belhaven is a Jackson NAIA school that is 8-2 and won at ETBU 79-68 and led by as many as 25 late in the game.

The game doesn't help or hurt MC in the regional rankings, but it is a game against a quality team during our two week period of no games. Hopefully it will help before our big games against HSU and McMurry a week from Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tball275 UO on December 08, 2007, 12:09:55 PM
Ozarks at Hendrix today at 4 p.m.  U of O is providing radio.  Should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2007, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: tbaldwin on December 08, 2007, 12:09:55 PM
Ozarks at Hendrix today at 4 p.m.  U of O is providing radio.  Should be a good game.
If you can post the scores on the ASC In-game update board, I will appreciate it!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Tball275 UO on December 08, 2007, 02:37:59 PM
Of course.  I'll keep everyone updated.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 08, 2007, 10:17:20 PM
Ozarks beat Hendrix today 93-82. Hendrix was 4-1 with their only loss being 79-64 against Millsaps.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 09, 2007, 01:33:13 PM
Well I was completely wrong on all of my predictions.  Anyone at any of the games? Lamar beat my LC squad 117-67 :'(.  I thought we would have played a little closer than that.  Wow, ETBwho beats LeT it rain by 3 :o, Homer Simpson beats McNasty and Hickory Pines beats Sully.  I did a little looking, HSU 2-1, ETBU now 2-1, and McM 0-3 in conference ???  Be a while since this has happened.  Can anyone give any insite on these three teams.  I know HPU and Sull Ross go to ETBu and LET, this next weekend and MCM and HSu come to us and MC. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2007, 01:46:40 PM
McMurry led HSU by 15 with 16 minutes left in the game.

They trailed  LeTU by 17 with 5 minutes left in the first half, and led by 2 with 2:22 left in the game.

They led ETBU by 13 in the first half and then by 3 with 2:47 left.

Coach Holmes must be pulling his hair out!  Are we missing Alvin Stevens and Kenny Gardner that much from last season?  We have 7 returners who had significant playing time last year.  This seems to be a leadership issue among the players.  Who is pulling this team?  Who should be leading this team?

We are down 3 games and it is a long way back.  This is a real gut check as this team corrects the problems and prepares for the qualifying for the tourney!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 10, 2007, 09:26:22 AM
ETBU beat Letu on the defensive end of the floor Saturday.  That's not something we have always been able to do.  Other than Cooper this team doesn't have a lot of star power.   I think of it as the sum of its parts is greater than the whole.  About 6 or 7 guys made key contributions late in the second half.  The freshman Josh Chambers has a chance to be something pretty special.  He helped off his man to block a JJ Rockmore shot with less than 10 seconds left.  He had 10 pts and 6rbs along with 3 blocks in 16 minutes.  Chambers, Hickman, and Waneck all helped hold Dusty Evers to a pretty poor day.  The quickness also gave him trouble and helped to get him in foul trouble. If we can find a consistent scorer to go along with Cooper we should be very tough down the stretch. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 10, 2007, 10:43:11 AM
Kudos to ETBU on the defensive end... The YellowJackets never got comfortable offensively.  The Tigers held LETU to just 31 percent shooting.  A key moment in the game came late in the first when the Jackets were up 9 and it looked like they had a chance to break the game open, but the Tigers closed with a 5-0 run.  They took the lead right off the bat in the second half and then held on.  I was very impressed with Josh Chambers.  He's 6-7 and has very long arms.  He's built like Kevin Durant, obviously without the game, but he showed that he could finish up close.  I was bummed after watching the game, but if you had told me that the Jackets would be 2-1 after their first three road ASC games I would have taken it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tball275 on December 10, 2007, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on December 08, 2007, 10:17:20 PM
Ozarks beat Hendrix today 93-82. Hendrix was 4-1 with their only loss being 79-64 against Millsaps.

Good win for the Eagles.  Four bench players scored in double digits for Ozarks.  Ozarks forced 15 Hendrix turnovers and the Eagles only turned the ball over five times.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 11, 2007, 02:41:04 PM
Thanks for all the insight, looks like everyone will be competing to the very end to get into the tournament ;).  Looks as if it will be a crazy year for the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: suwillbe1 on December 12, 2007, 03:55:15 PM
I know it time to move something out there on court tom.-SU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 14, 2007, 08:46:48 PM
UMHB over Tyler
Concordia over Dallas ;)
Let over Sul Ross
LC over HSU ;D
Schreiner over Ozarks  :o
ETBU over HPU
MC over McM
Monday:
LeT over HPU
Ozarks over TLU
MC over HSU
ETBU over Sul Ross
Tyler over CUA
LC over McM
UMHB over Dallas
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 15, 2007, 06:48:42 PM
HPU 78 ETBU 60 FINAL.

Didn't get to listen to it because HPU didn't do radio and ETBU didn't set up their link properly.

HPU got 19 from Lee Scott and Daytona Burch scored 17 with 10 boards.

They aren't a very big team but they are getting the wins.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 15, 2007, 06:55:02 PM
Ozarks 84 SU 76
HSU 58 LC 57
UMHB 58 UT Tyler 46

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2007, 08:23:31 PM
LETU 82
SRSU 77

Final

Not sure exactly if that ws the final score.  Everyone had to evacuate the building as soon as the game was over, but I know we won by 5-7 points. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 15, 2007, 09:26:37 PM
UT Tyler shot 22% from the floor and missed 21 free throws in the loss to UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2007, 02:01:49 AM
That UTT-UMHB game must have been brutal to watch, 42 missed free throws between the two teams... ouch!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 16, 2007, 12:30:47 PM
UMHB over Tyler-Correct
Concordia over Dallas-Correct
Let over Sul Ross-Correct
LC over HSU -Incorrect :-\ My boys put up a fight.
Schreiner over Ozarks-Incorrect 
ETBU over HPU-Incorrect(Big Time)

3-3 on Saturday.  Maybe I will get ahead on Monday!

Sul Ross over ETBU
HPU over LeT :o Thats my "upset" pick
UMHB over Dallas
Tyler over CUA
LC over McM
MC over HSU
Ozarks over TLU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on December 17, 2007, 02:35:18 AM
In Monday's game between LC and McM look for the boy's from Abilene change their ways and take the first game on this road trip, and I wouldn't count them out at MC.  My inside info says their will be a new face or two on the court...  :-X
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 17, 2007, 09:17:03 AM
Burch and Scott were the difference on Saturday.  Everytime ETBU had a little run Scott came up with a 3 or Burch had a big offensive rebound.   Maybe tonight against Sully the Tigers will play better.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 18, 2007, 12:00:09 AM
 have been trying to log on all night but haven't been able to until now.  Has anyone else had trouble logging on?  My Wildcats pulled off a huge win over McM.  I listened to it on the radio and we seemed to have played okay but got it done from the freethrow line.  Big win for us!

On the predictions:
SRSU over ETBU-incorrect
UMHB over Dallas-correct
HPU over LeT-incorrect
Tyler over CUA-correct
LC over MCM-CORRECT!!!!!
MC over HSU-Correct
Ozarks over TLU-incorrect

That makes me 7-6 on the weekend. 

Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 18, 2007, 12:54:29 AM
MC played probably their best game of the season Monday beating HSU 92-71. MC shot 58 percent and hit 12-18 three point attempts, tying a school record. Five players in double figures.

MC plays McMurry Wednesday night at home. McMurry is 0-4 in the ASC after their tough 77-76 loss at LC. The Wildcats hit 28-32 free throws and 18-21 in the second half to get the win.

UT-Tyler beat Concordia 85-67 with Brandon Weasby back in the lineup. Big win for the Patriots who are now 2-2 in the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 18, 2007, 09:45:28 AM
Great win for LETU last night.  Needed to win those two games as they gave away one to ETBU and have two tough conference road games at UMHB and CUA. 

If you take a look at the stats, HPU shot 48% on the game, with LETU shooting 37% from the field. However, LETU went to the free throw line 42 time (converting on 31 of thoes) while HPU only went 14 (converting on 10 of those), keeping LETU in the game just long enough to allow Dewones Smith to take over. 

At the end of the game, LETU had the ball with 1:55 left and didn't change possesion until :12 seconds left in the game (missed ft/offensive rb, missed ft/ball hit ob, missed shot/offensive rb).  It had to have been the most frustrating thing in the world for HPU to watch that last minute tick down. 

Tom Hermann is the real deal.  He absolutley dominated down low in the second half.  LETU was finally able to get W.Smith to play consistant defense on him for the last two minutes of the game, but before that, he ate our lunch. 

Great win for LETU.  Austin College is next on the clock New Years Eve.  Be good to get a couple of wins against them to help out our RPI.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 18, 2007, 02:17:25 PM
Bearkat00 were you at the game?  I'm just curious about the free throws.  HPU hasn't given up that many free throws all year with their high being the first game of the year with UTPB shooting 33.

I'm just curious if it was overaggressive play or if the foul calling was really tight.

I'm not saying it was home cooking or anything, it very well could have been, but with how well this team has been playing defense it's just odd for them to give the other team that many free throws. 

LeTU could have very well been that more aggressive on the offensive end.  Gotta give them credit for making them when given the chance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 19, 2007, 05:09:18 PM
dballa,

It was a very interesting game.  LETU was very aggresive going to the hole.  Our guards were a little bit quicker, espically when Dawson sprained his ankle in the first half, causing Herman, Scott, and Woods to pick up fouls (4,4 and 5 respectively).  HPU tended to settle for outside jumpers. 

While we did get a lot of calls, Dusty Evers fouled out of the game, playing only 11 minutes.  Hermann got away with a few push offs down low off of our post players. 

HPU was forced to foul at least five to six times in the last two minutes, which skewed the numbers a little bit.  If you take away those 5, the foul calls went 21-17 in favor of LETU.

Obviously biased here, but I felt for the most part, it was a fair game up until the last couple of minutes.  After LETU wasn't hitting any jumpers, they decided to take it to the hole and become more aggressive.

BTW ~ HPU is going to be very dangerous to play.  I am glad we got them at home this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2007, 05:35:18 PM
I appreciate the input.  I was only able to listen to a couple minutes of it on the internet when HPU went up 51-46.  After that I didn't know what else happened other than what you've said on here.

Trailing in the last couple minutes and having to foul will definitely skew the numbers.

HPU plays hard every game and they all get along great unlike some teams in the past.  It's fun to watch them when they are playing as one unit and very frustrating to see that hard work thrown away with some silly mistakes made during the games.  Being in 2nd place for the moment when they were picked 5th, I don't think they could ask for much more.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2007, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: mcmfanatic on December 17, 2007, 02:35:18 AM
In Monday's game between LC and McM look for the boy's from Abilene change their ways and take the first game on this road trip, and I wouldn't count them out at MC.  My inside info says their will be a new face or two on the court...  :-X
It's official.  Travis Tennison (http://www.d3hoops.com/features/05/tennison.htm) is playing for McMurry! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 20, 2007, 12:29:22 PM
Since we have completed the fall portion of the basketball season, I took a quick look over the results. Some of these records could be off a bit, but it should be pretty close.

The East Division and West Division have gone 15-15 against each other so far with a couple of those games being nonconference contests. The conference has balanced out much better the last couple of years with several solid teams on both halves of the ASC.

The conference will be helped in the south region rankings by a 10-5 record vs nonconference Division III teams. I will probably look at it a little closer to make sure it's right, but here's what I have from a quick look over the results thus far. Wins over George Fox (3-3), D'Youville (1-9), Colorado College (0-8), Emory (6-3), Southwestern (5-3), Austin College(2) (2-5), Huntingdon (2-8), Rust (5-8) and Hendrix (5-2). The losses should not hurt too much with two against Trinity (7-1), Millsaps (7-1), Sewanee (4-5) and Gwynedd-Mercy (7-2).

UMHB (5-0), MC (3-1), LeTourneau (5-3),  UTD (5-3), Ozarks (3-2) and HPU (3-2) are all positioned well with winning DIII records.

Ralph, not trying to make you feel better here but no way McMurry is as bad as their 0-5 ASC record would indicate. Four of their losses have been by 3, 5, 5 and 1 point. I was very impressed with them last night playing at MC. They don't have a lot of size this year but they were very athletic and adding Tennison will make them tough to beat next semester. I thought we played well and they stayed in the game when they could have let us get up 15-20 points.

Tennison is obviously out of shape right now but when he gets some conditioning they will be tough. I could certainly see them putting together a second half record of 13-3 to 11-5 to finish somewhere between 13-8 and 11-10. That will be enough to get them in the tourney and have a shot at the automatic bid.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 20, 2007, 02:53:36 PM
It has been an interesting year thus far.  Some teams winning we are not used to the last couple of years and then teams not winning we are used to the last couple of years.  Strarting to look like the favorites are just what they are.  We haven't played HPU yet but sounds like they are much better than last year.  They handled easily what I thought was a much improved Ozarks and ETBU teams.  They split with Sul Ross.  Hard to say how good they are.  Ozarks starts the year off with some big wins and then has struggled a bit the last couple of games.  ETBwho is sitting at 3-2 with a close loss to HSU in Abilene.  HSU plays well so far beating MCM, ETBU and my boys, LC.  I believe so far ETBU at HPU have to be the surprise teams from each side as of now.  ETBU has a tough road trip to UMHB and Concordia if I am not mistaken and then HPU has Dallas and Tyler, games they probably will both win at home while ETBU could easily lose both on the road.  Then my boys play Lutheran and Schreiner on the road, toss up there.  Looking at the schedule Tyler and Dallas could be in trouble making the HPU Sul ross trip and then turnaround and play McMurry who will be hungry and hardin simmons.  Could put them in a hole.  It will be intersting to see what happens from here on out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 20, 2007, 06:55:30 PM
Dballa, I also saw the LETU-HPU game... A very good game of short 6-8 point runs each way... Hermann was great like Bearkat said.   Definitely a weird game with Evers only playing 11 minutes and LETU having to rely upon two players who had combined to play six minutes this year (Eric Clark, Will Smith) for 20+ minutes and D. Smith going scoreless for the first 32 minutes of the game.  HPU will definitely be back in the tourney if they continue to play how they are right now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 29, 2007, 11:15:28 PM
Was able to see the Mississippi College 78-71 loss to Greensboro today at Hampden-Sydney. Have to be honest, probably one of the worst efforts I have seen from the Choctaws in the last few years, just a very sloppy game.

MC fell behind by as many as 18 in the first half with 13 turnovers which was probably a generous total. Greensboro came out motivated and MC didn't answer their tough, aggressive play and trailed by 13 at the half. MC played better in the second half shooting 55 percent but couldn't get over the hump.

Greensboro has a good team and played hard, particularly defensively where they pressured MC into mistakes all night. I can certainly see how they beat Guilford earlier this season, they apply a lot of pressure defensively and shot a ton of layups on MC which was disappointing for a team which led the nation in defense last year. UMHB also shot a lot of layups earlier this season in their win over MC so hopefully that will get corrected.

I'm anxious to see how the games play out tomorrow with MC playing SUNY-Old Westbury and Greensboro playing Hampden-Sydney. This is another very talented MC team in my opinion, but they looked uninspired today and didn't execute very well on either end. A lot of turnovers forced by Greensboro, but also a lot of careless mistakes from MC. The Choctaws ended up with 20 turnovers, but I would have guessed closer to 30.  A lot of new players on the roster who are still learning how to play together and a lot of season left to be played.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 30, 2007, 09:57:59 PM
Mississippi College looked like a completely different team on both ends of the floor today when they beat SUNY Old Westbury 97-78 in the Hampden-Sydney Tourney. They slept through the first half against Greensboro yesterday and looked like a mess to be honest. Totally different today.

I'm sure many don't know what to make of MC this year and it's still probably too early to tell, but they dismantled an Old Westbury team that gave Hampden-Sydney a pretty good game yesterday, trailing by four at the half and seven in the last minute. MC led 48-23 at the half and 62-31 with 13:00 to play.

Senior forward Prince Trotter earned All-Tournament honors hitting 21-24 shots and averaging 23.5 points, 9.5 rebounds in the two games.

This is another very talented team, but with just three players back from last season some inconsistency should probably be expected right now. They also picked up a big transfer at the break, Richard Worthy, a 6'4" forward who was starting at Oklahoma City, the defending NAIA national champions and preseason #1 team this year. The potential is there for this team to be tough to beat in February-March and make another run at an ASC championship.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 01, 2008, 07:10:04 PM
I saw a post on the ODAC board about their 34-18 record against out-of-conference opponents, so I looked up the ASC's on this site. We are 16-5 against out-of-conference Division III opponents and 7-33 against other out-of-conference teams.

To put into perspective, the ODAC has only played four out-of-conference opponents who are not Division III this season going 2-2.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 02, 2008, 10:54:14 AM
LETU - 57
Austin College - 55
Final

LETU's Jesse Hayes is fouled with 3.8 seconds left in the game and the 'Jackets trailing by 1.  He camly sinks both free throws, then steals the in-bounds pass to seal the win for LETU.

Dewones Smith had 17pts and 11rebs.  Marcel Louimeus had 9pts, 6 rebs. 

Tough road trip looms with UMHB Thursday and Concorida Saturday.  Need to split. 

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 02, 2008, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on January 01, 2008, 07:10:04 PM
I saw a post on the ODAC board about their 34-18 record against out-of-conference opponents, so I looked up the ASC's on this site. We are 16-5 against out-of-conference Division III opponents and 7-33 against other out-of-conference teams.

To put into perspective, the ODAC has only played four out-of-conference opponents who are not Division III this season going 2-2.

Chris, do other schools play smaller D1 schools like the ASC does?  I know LETU seems to schedule a Lamar or Sam Houston State every year, while in the past I know teams like UTD and UTT have played UTSA, UNO, etc.

Just curious......
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 02, 2008, 06:02:58 PM
Bearkat, several conferences play a few but no other conference I've found comes close to the number the ASC plays. 2/3's of our out-of-conference games are DI, DII, NAIA or NCCAA which is by far the largest percentage in the country to my knowledge.

There's no question it hurts our conference's reputation a bit just because we play fewer DIII opponents to earn respect in this division. The good thing about it is that the 7-33 record against other divisions does not even count against us when the regional rankings come out. Only regional games are taken into consideration where we have a pretty good record.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2008, 06:25:14 PM
Chris, that's the almost inevitable result of being so isolated re: d3.  I would imagine that the SCIAC and Northwest would be fairly comparable, plus such individual 'orphans' as Maine-Presque Isle and Finlandia.

Barring a massive travel budget (or a huge effort to lure in 'snowbird teams'), I can't suggest any solutions - but, as you note, it really doesn't hurt (much, at least) come pool C time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 02, 2008, 07:02:53 PM
Mr. Ypsi, the west coast and deep south have a lot of similarities in scheduling and obstacles in DIII. There just aren't very many DIII teams in Texas outside of the ASC to play. There are a few around MS that are options, especially with Birmingham Southern moving to DIII. Millsaps, BSC, Rhodes, Huntingdon and Rust. There are several 6-7 hours away.

Even though we lost to Greensboro, I liked the coaches scheduling Christmas games somewhere similiar to our NCAA destinations. Regardless of how we do this year, we will have to make that type trip should we be fortunate enough to get in the NCAA Tournament again. That has to help prepare us.

I am anxious to see how the NCAA ends up handling DIII and the possibility of splitting it up somehow. I am sure it will bring about more problems, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see some NAIA schools in this part of the country deciding to join the NCAA in some fashion.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2008, 08:15:19 PM
Chris, I don't know if you've been following the "Future of DIII" thread, but Titan Q had a very intriguing post today.  If what he heard was correct, some of those NAIA games may yet become in-region. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2008, 10:17:52 PM
These remarks are directed to my fellow ASC fans, and I want to thank Mr. Ypsi for mentioning the consideration of the new alignment.

I am not recommending mergers or adding schools to the ASC.  Where the D-III/D-IV discussions inside the NCAA and the NCAA/NAIA talks will go, one can only imagine.

Please remember that D-III involves 5 sports for men and women including one sport in each season.

I think that the remaining NAIA schools are committed to the NAIA (scholarship) style of intercollegiate athletics.  In the Red River Athletic Conference, a NAIA-1 conference, one finds these schools:

Huston-Tillotson University in Austin sponsors Baseball, Volleyball and M&W Soccer, Hoops, T&F, XC and Golf.  That is enough for D-III, 6 & 6.

Bacone College in Muskogee OK has enough sports for D-III like profile.  They sponsor, FB/VB, Baseball/Softball, and M&W XC, Soccer, Hoops, Golf and Tennis.  They also sponsor Men's Wresting and Men and Women's Rodeo, 8 men's and 7 women's NCAA sports.

College of the Southwest (Hobbs, NM) presently doesn't have a winter sport, unless they "ramp up" Indoor Track and Field to NCAA standards.  They do plan to sponsor men's and women's basketball in 2008-09.  CSW sponsors Baseball/softball, women's volleyball and M&W XC, T&F, Soccer and Golf; 5 men's and 6 women's.

The remaining schools do not have the required numbers of sports to meet D-III criteria.

Texas Wesleyan, the 2006 Men's hoops National Champions.  TWU really doesn't have the number of sports to qualify for D-III, unless you count Table Tennis.  Texas Wesleyan spent an exploratory year in the ASC in 2001-02 as they would left D-II, and moved to the NAIA.  (4 men's and 4 women's sports: M&W Soccer and Hoops, Women's Volleyball, Baseball/Softball and Men's Golf.)

Northwood Institute in Cedar Hill doesn't have a winter sport! Not basketball, not indoor track and field, not swimming, men or women.  Northwood has not participated in indoor track and field meets.  (Northwood sponsors 5 men's and 5 women's sports.)

Southwestern Assemblies in Waxahachie does not have enough sports (4 men and 3 women).  This is not D-III.

Langston University in Langston, OK only sponsors FB, MBB, MT&F, WXC, WBB, WT&F and softball.  Not enough sports, only 3 men and 4 women.

Paul Quinn College in Dallas only sponsors 9 sports:  5 men's -- MXC, MBB, Men's Outdoor T&F, Men's Golf, Baseball, and 4 women's -- Volleyball, WXC, WBB, Women's Outdoor T&F.  PQC disbanded football, again, last year.

Jarvis Christian College in Hawkins sponsors 8 sports:  M&W Hoops, T&F, Baseball/Softball, Men's golf and Volleyball.  (4 & 4).

Wiley College in Marshall sponsors only 6 sports:  M&W Hoops and T&F, Baseball and Volleyball.

Texas College in Tyler sponsors only 8 sports:  M&W Hoops and Soccer, FB/VB and Baseball/Softball.

UT-Brownsville sponsors 6 sports:  M&W Soccer and Golf, Baseball and Volleyball.

Houston Baptist has left the Red River AC for D-I.
UT-Permian basin has left the Red River AC for D-II.
Texas A&M International has left the Red River AC for D-II.

What the Red River AC would look like under a new NCAA/NAIA organization and where it would lie are the big questions that remain in those discussions.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2008, 12:46:07 AM
The "other" NAIA-1 conference in "our area" is the Gulf Coast Athletic Conference (http://www.gcaconf.com/members.php).  Only Belhaven, Spring Hill and University of Mobile sponsor the number of sports that D-III schools do.

Belhaven (http://blazers.belhaven.edu/) in Jackson MS sponsors 7 men's and 6 women's sports.  Men's FB, XC, Soccer, Hoops, Tennis, Golf and Baseball.  Women's VB, XC, Hoops, Softball, Tennis and Golf.

Spring Hill College (http://www.shcbadgers.com/) in Mobile AL sponsors  6 men's sports and  7 women's sports: M&W XC, Soccer, Hoops, Golf, Tennis, Baseball/Softball and Women's Volleyball.

University of Mobile (http://www.umobile.edu/athletic/UMSportsWeb.asp) sponsors 5 men's and 7 women's sports. M&W XC, Soccer, Hoops, and Golf, and Women's Tennis and Volleyball, Baseball and Softball

Dillard University (http://www.dillard.edu/athletics/index.asp) in New Orleans sponsors 3 men's and 4 women's sports: M&W Hoops, XC and Tennis and Women's VB.

Loyola University New Orleans (http://wolfpack.loyno.edu/) sponsors only 3 men's and 3 women's sports.  Baseball and Volleyball and M&W Hoops and XC.

LSU-Shreveport (http://www.lsus.edu/athletics/) only sponsors 2 men's and 2 women's sports:  Baseball, Volleyball and M&W Hoops.

Southern University of New Orleans (http://www.suno.edu/athletics.htm) only sponsors M&W Hoops.

Tougaloo College (http://www.tougaloo.edu/content/Athletics/index.htm) in Tougaloo MS only sponsors 5 Men's (XC, Hoops, Tennis, Golf and Baseball) and 3 Women's (XC, Hoops, Tennis).

William Carey University (http://www.wmcarey.edu/athletics/index.shtml) in Hattiesburg, MS sponsors 4 men's sports and 3 women's sports:  M&W Soccer and Hoops, Baseball/Softball and Men's Golf.

Xavier University of New Orleans (http://www.xula.edu/athletics/) sponsors 3 men's and 3 women's sports: M&W XC, Hoops and Tennis.

These are clearly different emphases on athletics, and this gives us an idea of the challenges that will be faced in any NCAA/ NAIA talks.



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 03, 2008, 01:23:01 AM
Ralph, if you pooled the NAIA and DIII schools in MS and Alabama together, it would make for some interesting rivalries. The problem is only Belhaven has football.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 04, 2008, 01:03:35 AM
MC beat TLU 77-59 tonight. Tyler Winford had a great game with 21 points. Prince Trotter had 14 and Kiki Christmas 11. Prince Trotter has hit 26-31 of his field goals in the last three games.

It's still early, but in trying to compare the SCAC and ASC, MC and Trinity have two common opponents. MC beat TLU by 18 and Hardin-Simmons by 19, while Trinity pulled out two point wins against both at home.

Looking a the results though, I don't know if Trinity is one of the top 2-3 SCAC teams. I will get a chance to see them Saturday at Millsaps. I have seen Millsaps and I can tell you they have an excellent team this year. I would expect Millsaps to win by ten or more, but I haven't seen Trinity yet, just basing that on their scores.

Looks like the UMHB-LeTourneau game was a great one. Dewones Smith missed a free throw to tie the game in the final 30 seconds. UMHB the missed two free throws with ten seconds left, but LeTourneau turned the ball over on their final possession. LeTourneau is 6-4 with two close losses to the 7th-ranked Cru.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 04, 2008, 09:49:10 AM
Thanks Chris. 

In the past, I would've said this was a moral victory for LETU.  Now, this is just a disappointing loss.  LETU's 4 losses this season:

Loss to McM at the Colorado Christian tournament in which we held a lead
Loss to UMHB at home when we had a 15 point lead
Loss to ETBU on the road.  Didn't handle the post game very well.
Loss to UMHB on the road.  Had a couple of chances to win it and couldn't get over the hump.

I want to say that we are moving up and being considered a top tier team in the league, however, it'll be interesting to see how we respond against a good CUA team. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 04, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Hello everyone, i have not been on in a while.  Another great weekend of basketball in which the East is dominating so far other than ETBwho and LeT it rain.  My wildcats got a big win and are setting themselves up to be in good shape this weekend if the same trend continues as it did last night.  ETBU is going to be in a big hole if they lose to UMHB and they probably will after the 13 point blown lead to CUA.  LeT needs a win against CUA or they will  be on the down slide while my Wildcats can win and gain some ground.  Tyler and Dallas both pulled off games that were tough on the road but both still have their work cut out for them. 

Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2008, 06:41:39 PM
Concordia-Austin 102, LeTourneau 99, OT (http://athletics.concordia.edu/athletics.cfm?page_ID=52).

Tough road trip for the Yellow Jackets!

LaCollege 72, TLU 69 (http://www.tlu.edu/i/athletics/mbasketball/stats/2007_08/teamstat.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2008, 12:54:52 PM
Really big game for McMurry last Saturday.  They were "walking wounded" with the flu that had gone around campus!

They only got partial minutes out of several players.  However, Chris Beck (FT 8-8) and Curtis Davis' 27 points had the games of the careers!

I like where the team is now.  They have a great win on which to build.  They can make the playoffs, and go from there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 07, 2008, 05:05:22 PM
WOW! What a weekend, my boys have put themselves in contention with the sweep!!!!!!!!!!! Hard to believe Miss lost to Shreiner!!!!!!! Tough weekend for ETBu and Let! It is only going to get crazier.

Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
Mississippi College (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/01/08/top-25-news-and-notes-week-6) fell out of the receiving votes category of the Top 25 Poll for the first time in 45 weeks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 08, 2008, 04:47:05 PM
As a LETU Jacket fan it was a long weekend, but I think it just shows how strong the conference is.  It is very tough to win on the road just about anywhere you go.  I'm depressed thinking about the two games that we didn't pull out, but still feel very good about this team and think that as long as they make the playoffs they have a good shot to win the title this year. 

Oh yeah, one more thing... Valentino Maxwell is definitely back from his season ending injury he suffered last year.  He willed Concordia to the win on Saturday hitting big shot after big shot
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 08, 2008, 09:41:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
Mississippi College (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/01/08/top-25-news-and-notes-week-6) fell out of the receiving votes category of the Top 25 Poll for the first time in 45 weeks!

That was a pretty good run. Hopefully, we can get things going and finish this year like UMHB did last season. But I think the league is much better this year, particularly on the East side. LeTourneau and UTD are good again and Coach Bizot has UT-Tyler tied for 1st at 4-2. The tournament could shape up to be as deep as it has every been.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2008, 11:39:17 PM
At UMHB 104, CUA 102 (2OT). (http://athletics.concordia.edu/menbasketball/010808-m.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2008, 01:34:08 PM
Wow, I just looked at the play-by-play from that UMHB-CTX game.  Jason Wagner hit two huge shots, tying the game with 4 seconds left in regulation and then winning the game with 2 seconds left in 2OT.  Mike Moore had an incredible game for CTX.  I think UMHB and CTX are the two best teams I've seen in the West this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 09, 2008, 02:45:29 PM
Well, it's about halfway through the season so I thought I would give out the player ratings using the same formula I used last year.  Here are the top five

Tom Hermann, HPU - 45.77
Prince Trotter, MC - 41.95
Josh Johnson, LC - 38.55
Mardochee Jean, HSU - 38.35
Filiberto Torres, SRSU - 37.14
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 10, 2008, 02:06:00 PM
As of right now I am 7-6 on the predictions, here are my predictions for this weekend:

Thursday:
Concordia over Ozarks
La College over HPU
LeT over TLU
McMurry over Tyler
Miss over Sul Ross
ETBU over Schreiner in a close one
UTD over HSU

Saturday:
HSU over UTTyler
Ozarks over UMHB  :o Upset pick of the weekend
ETBU over TLU
McM over Dallas
LeT over Schreiner
Miss over HPU
LC over Sul Ross
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 10, 2008, 04:10:46 PM
It seems to me the real loser in the Schreiner victory over MC and the CUA victory over LeT was McMurry.  We needed the east division teams to knock off some of the western division teams that are ahead of us in the standings, if we want to get out of the basement.  To make the conference tournament, we need to be one of the top four teams in the west.  Mathematically, if we win all of our remaining games from now on we can do it, but is that likely?  Time will tell, I suppose. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 08:51:35 PM
We are only 2 1/2  games out of 2nd place and only 2 games out of 4th place.

I think that the team can gain 2 games on the #4 team in the West.

I am optimistic that this team can work thru this adversity!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on January 10, 2008, 09:13:46 PM
37-28 La College over HPU at the half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 10, 2008, 11:59:30 PM
It was a good night for the East Division as they won 5 of the 7 games.   Looks like it will be a dogfight all the way in the East this year, should make for some excellent ball games in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2008, 06:36:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 08:51:35 PM
We are only 2 1/2  games out of 2nd place and only 2 games out of 4th place.

I think that the team can gain 2 games on the #4 team in the West.

I am optimistic that this team can work thru this adversity!
Even after the loss tonight, we (McM) are still 2 games out of a tie for 4th.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 11, 2008, 09:45:32 AM
As of right now I am 7-6 on the predictions, here are my predictions for this weekend:

Thursday:
Concordia over Ozarks-Correct
La College over HPU-Incorrect
LeT over TLU-Correct
McMurry over Tyler-Incorrect
Miss over Sul Ross-Correct
ETBU over Schreiner in a close one-Correct and Correct
UTD over HSU-Correct


Brings me to 12-8
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2008, 09:53:20 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2008, 06:36:54 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 08:51:35 PM
We are only 2 1/2  games out of 2nd place and only 2 games out of 4th place.

I think that the team can gain 2 games on the #4 team in the West.

I am optimistic that this team can work thru this adversity!
Even after the loss tonight, we (McM) are still 2 games out of a tie for 4th.
Brandon Weasby took control last night for UT-Tyler (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2007-2008/mbasketball/2007-12m.htm#GAME.PLY).  He hit a long, long 3FG with the score tied at 71 with about 1:05 left and then added a layup and then 2-2 FT's.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 11, 2008, 12:27:37 PM
gccfan,  I think it's clear right now that the East Division is the stronger side this season. Funny how these things go in cycles because two years ago the West was the obvious stronger division. Thus far, the East is 28-21 against the West this season and I think most would pick the East to win 4-5 games of the seven this weekend.

This sets up nicely for UMHB who will benefit from a division not as strong as it has been the last few years, similar to MC the last couple of years. I think UMHB has to be the favorite right now to finish the regular season as the #1 team in the region. I don't think they lose more than a couple games from here on out and could see them with a 22-3 regular season record this year with the team they have.

The East will be tough this year. The Choctaws have struggled somwhat with their 8-3 record, but I think they will be very hard to beat in February. Lots of talent, but taking some time with so many new players. UT-Tyler obviously is much improved under Kenny Bizot with a 5-2 ASC record. LeTournea and UTD are also very strong this year. ETBU, Ozarks and La College are all capable of jumping up and earning a spot in the tournament.

This has to be the deepest the ASC East has ever been. Ozarks is last with a 2-5 record and has wins over Division II Henderson State and Hendrix (7-4) from the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 11, 2008, 05:16:32 PM
Congrats to Mardochee Jean of HSU for becoming the ASC's all-time leading rebounder last night!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2008, 06:45:30 PM
UTD, 86, McM 68.  McM started cold and never caught up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 14, 2008, 11:31:01 AM
I agree with you Chris, I still think MC is the best in the East, but there is going to be a team or two in the East that is pretty good that won't make the tournament.  LeTourneau is in a funk right now where they play to the level of their opponent whether they are really good (UMHB) or not that good (TLU, although they are improving).  There is still a lot of time left, but they are scaring me with their inability to put teams away when they should.  Of course, a couple of good wins and I will be back to feeling good again, but right now I'm a little worried.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 14, 2008, 02:31:44 PM
Saturday:
HSU over UTTyler-Correct
Ozarks over UMHB   Upset pick of the weekend-Incorrect, but not by much
ETBU over TLU-Correct
McM over Dallas-Incorrect
LeT over Schreiner-Incorrect
Miss over HPU-Correct
LC over Sul Ross-Incorrect :'(

Brings me to 15-12 on the season


My Wildcats had a rough weekend losing two very close games we should have won.  I hope they can pull it together down the stretch and get into the tournament.  They can be dangerous when Josh plays well but need everyone to play well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 17, 2008, 12:32:57 PM
Here are my pics for this weekend:

LeT. over Ozarks
LC over Tyler
HPU over TLU
Sul Ross over SU
Miss over Dallas
UMHB over HSU
McM over CUA-Upset pick!!!!

Saturday:
CUA over HSU
Sull Ross over TLU
ETBU over Ozarks
Schreiner over HPU
MC over Tyler
UMHB over MCM
LC over Dallas

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 17, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
Letu's win over Austin College gives the ASC another good win versus D3 comp.  What is our record versus all other D3's and what was the final East vs West tally?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tball275 on January 17, 2008, 03:36:16 PM
I have been kicking an idea around for the past couple of days... about hosting an online talk show about ASC sports...  However, I would like to see if there is any interest... if so, please let me know... I have the resources and some ideas.  It would be free to listen to, of course, and I could accept callers and receive some of your thoughts....  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2008, 11:02:25 PM
Good win tonight!

McMurry held off a good team, and won at the end!

I have not given up on this team. They are 2.5 games out of 4th place (HPU) with 12 games left!  They have both games versus HPU, too.

UMHB next on Saturday, then HSU on Monday night!  Tough stretch!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 17, 2008, 11:04:11 PM
Way to go, Cowboys!

BIG win over the Crusaders, but ten points!

On to the weekend, then McMurry!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2008, 11:06:44 PM
Miss Coll 62, at UT-D 58 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/livestats/xlive.htm).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2008, 11:12:04 PM
at UOz 86, LeTU 83 (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/mbasketball/stats/07-08/let.htm).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 18, 2008, 10:02:40 AM
LeT. over Ozarks-Incorrect
LC over Tyler-Correct!!!!!! ;D
HPU over TLU-Correct
Sul Ross over SU-Correct
Miss over Dallas-Correct
UMHB over HSU-Incorrect :o
McM over CUA-Upset pick!!!!-Correct

Brings me to 20-14 Not bad so far

Way to go Wildcats on the ROAD!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on January 18, 2008, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: tball275 on January 17, 2008, 03:36:16 PM
I have been kicking an idea around for the past couple of days... about hosting an online talk show about ASC sports...  However, I would like to see if there is any interest... if so, please let me know... I have the resources and some ideas.  It would be free to listen to, of course, and I could accept callers and receive some of your thoughts....  Thanks.

I think it's a good idea. I'm sure SIDs could be of help with information and call-ins. Obviously the day-to-day job would keep us from really helping a lot. But if you want to let me know what you were thinking, let me know. I'll definitely cheer you on and help you in anyway I can.

robarts.kyle@mcm.edu

In fact, we just set up a deal locally in which we will get a 20-minute segment to talk about our local college athletics programs (Abilene Christian University (d2), HSU and McM) on Abilene's local ESPN Radio affiliate.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2008, 06:57:55 PM
Kyle, I hope that you "podcast" the broadcasts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on January 19, 2008, 01:30:08 PM
We're going to try and figure out a way to do that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 20, 2008, 02:22:14 PM
I can't understand how my LC squad goes to UT Tyler and wins and then gets beat 20 at Dallas.  Is Dallas that good?  Who has seen them play and can you give me a report on them?  THis is really turning out to be the craziest year yet in the ASC.  UMHB loses two in a row and ETBu loses in OT to Ozarks who now has climbed themselves back in it with two huge wins at home.  They come down our way next!!!

Thursday:
LeT. over Ozarks-Incorrect
LC over Tyler-Correct!!!!!!
HPU over TLU-Correct
Sul Ross over SU-Correct
Miss over Dallas-Correct
UMHB over HSU-Incorrect
McM over CUA-Upset pick!!!!-Correct

Brings me to 20-14 Not bad so far

Way to go Wildcats on the ROAD!!!!!

Saturday:

Saturday:
CUA over HSU-Incorrect
Sull Ross over TLU-Correct
ETBU over Ozarks-Incorrect
Schreiner over HPU-Incorrect
MC over Tyler-Correct
UMHB over MCM-Incorrect
LC over Dallas-Incorrect

Brings me down to 22-19 on the season.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2008, 03:14:14 PM
#1ascfanman, I took a look at your pick'ems and thought, what a brave (or foolish) soul you are this season!!  The conference is topsy-turvy! :D  ;)

Here is a "games behind" version of the standings, with the games behind meaning how far out of the 4th spot the teams are with conference games remaining being the second number.

2007-08 ASC East Division Men's Basketball Standings
   Conference Only    
   W-L    Win %    
Mississippi College    8-2    0.800   -   10 games
Texas-Dallas            6-3      0.667    -    11 games
East Texas Baptist    5-4    0.556    -    11 games


Texas-Tyler            5-5      0.500   *  10 games incl 2 with LeTU
LeTourneau            5-5      0.500    *   10 games incl 2 with UT-Tyler
Louisiana College    4-5    0.444     1GB  11 games 
UOzarks                3-6      0.333    2 GB  11 games

UT-T and LeTU are tied for 4th.


2007-08 ASC West Division Men's Basketball Standings
   Conference Only    l
   W-L    Win %    
Mary Hardin-Baylor    8-2    0.800    -  11 games
Hardin-Simmons         6-4    0.600    -   11 games
Howard Payne          6-5    0.545     -   10 games
Concordia-Austin     5-5    0.500      -   11 games


Sul Ross State           5-6     0.455   0.5 GB  10 games including 2 with CUA
Schreiner                 4-6    0.400    1 GB    11 games
McMurry                   3-7    0.300    2  GB    11 games
Texas Lutheran          1-9        0.100   4 GB    11 games remaining
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 20, 2008, 03:21:58 PM
Ralph, earlier it looked like the East Division would be much stronger than than the West this year but they are very close I think. If the tournament were today, some very talented teams would be left out. UTT, LeTourneau, Ozarks and McMurry would be home.

UTT played a great game yesterday against MC and almost pulled it off without Weasby. Pretty much the same team as last year, but Coach Bizot has them in position to reach the tourney after going 5-15 in the league last year. If Weasby gets healthy to add some scoring, they could be a team to watch in February.

Ralph, huge win for you guys yesterday. Just a couple games out and plenty of time left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2008, 03:41:42 PM
Thanks, Chris!

Okay, crunch time...

Whom does #1 ASC-East Mississippi College least want to face on a neutral floor in the first round of the ASC tourney?   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on January 21, 2008, 12:31:20 PM
What a time for McMurry to start putting things together.  They played some truly great basketball this week, beating both the number one and number two teams in the west.

And today, to finish that five day stretch:  Another really tough game versus now number two HSU.

For McMurry to get into the conference tournament they're going to have to go near perfect at home and sneak out a couple of road wins...What an amazing road win it would be if they could steal one away from the Cowboys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2008, 12:38:45 AM
As I posted on the in-game boards, there seemed to be a fracas at the end of the game.

The HSU announcer mentioned that Coach Howard and a McMurry coach were having to be restrained.  Then he described Coach Howard "celebrating" with the HSU fans.

I hope that we can see a video of this.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 22, 2008, 10:56:48 AM
Ralph, "fracas" might be something of an understatement.  We all seem to agree that the refs are horrible, but I think they really lost control of this game.  The players on both sides got away with things that they missed.  At the end, it looked like a HSU player literally threw one of our players on the floor just as the buzzer sounded; the refs disappeared.  One of our players then took a swipe at a HSU player.  Coach Holmes, outraged, got in our player's face immediately and pulled him off the court.  The "fracas" broke out when the players lined up to shake hands.  Suddenly, it was a mob of people pushing each other.  The next thing I saw, HSU Coach Howard was trying to join the fight, with several HSU staffers and one policeman wrestling him back.  I could believe the police having to restrain players or fans after an emotional game, but I've never seen a policeman having to restrain a coach -- especially since his team got the win.  Aren't coaches supposed to be an example of good sportsmanship to their players, even in situations of extreme stress?  I'm told that some of the words coming out of his mouth would have gotten a teacher at HSU fired if he used them in class, but I was too far away to hear them.  It was not an edifying end to the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 22, 2008, 05:05:19 PM
The Abilene paper mentioned Howard and Garza(McM's assistant) were having words.  I'm wondering if Garza used the same poor choice of words as well?  It's a shame such a hard fought game ends that way but that's what happens in rivalry games.

Too bad both coaches weren't out there playing as well maybe they wouldn't have had the energy to even speak one word.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2008, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: dballa on January 22, 2008, 05:05:19 PM
The Abilene paper mentioned Howard and Garza(McM's assistant) were having words.  I'm wondering if Garza used the same poor choice of words as well?  It's a shame such a hard fought game ends that way but that's what happens in rivalry games.

Too bad both coaches weren't out there playing as well maybe they wouldn't have had the energy to even speak one word.
I imagine that everyone in attendance would have heard Coach Garza as easily as it is reported that the spectators heard Coach Howard. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 22, 2008, 06:08:48 PM
I have tried to go over in my head what the heck happened, last night after the ball game.  It was ugly. I saw it unfold but was shocked at how the HSU coach reacted to whatever was going on. If him and Coach Garza exchanged words, there was NO reason for the violent actions by him. I saw a lot of very disturbing actions by fans and players from HSU, I could read what they were saying from the floor and it was not nice. The Mcm player was wrong in throwing the ball, but Coach Holmes had that situation handled.  You won, be a grown up, exit the floor. Show some restraint.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on January 23, 2008, 09:22:09 AM
There is a lot I want to say about the incident, but admittedly I did not see it.  Let me just say that I am glad I left right before so my 8 year old son did not witness that incident. Please see this link:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/jan/23/extracurricular-activities-take-away-from-hsu/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsucowboyfan on January 23, 2008, 09:28:18 AM
can we blow this thing any more out of proportion!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2008, 09:31:02 AM
When it makes the front page of the sports section. It is not incidental.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsucowboyfan on January 23, 2008, 09:53:23 AM
we're in abilene.....anything makes the front page. I dont agree with coach howards actions...BUT he is human and sometimes our emotions take over. it's been an emotional week at hardin simmons plus theres no greater feeling then winning a game in overtime. he just got carried away, and coach howard is a man who doesn't like to be taken advantage of and when somebody throws a ball at the head of one of our players and then one of the mcmurry assistants says stuff to howard that doesn't need to be said.....I imagine we would all get a little heated. we all know the history between these schools and because of the last incident that happened three years ago hsu doesn't take mcms disrespect and fighting lightly. its a RIVALRY everythings going to be emotional. as far as hsu's fans...you couldn't ask for better support. i had a mcm assistant coach come up to me after the last basketball game at mcm and he told me that our fans are unbelievably great and he wished that mcm would support teams like we do. we might be a little rowdy but we care a lot about our school an our teams and show a lot of support for them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2008, 11:26:26 AM
I understand the rivalry. I was there, yelling at the officials, caught up in the electric atmosphere....but we cannot make excuses for those in charge losing their composure.  What if Coach Howard could not have been restrained??? It was a great, emotional game but we cannot let things get out of hand. We must be the examples for young people. Even in Abilene, Tx.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bench Coach on January 23, 2008, 12:12:50 PM
If you are from HSU, people are going to make excuses and say it wasn't your fault.  If you are from anywhere else, it is your fault and it is bad sportsmanship.  I have been around all three of the big rivalry schools, HPU, HSU, and McM.  What I have witnessed and has been done to me is if your not from HSU, the people that go there and graduated from there can't believe that you went to one of the other two schools.  I believe in a good rivalry, but one that end in violence is not a good.  Yes, people will exchange words but when someone starts going after the other one in a physical matter it is wrong, no matter who you are!  If you have read the article it stats both sides of the story and is not one sided.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsucowboyfan on January 23, 2008, 12:57:48 PM
um why dont you read it again because it doesn't give recollection of what happened from an hsu point of view as far as the words said by the assistant coach garza. The whole event...yes, but coach garzas words....no. your telling me that coach howard would've gotten that mad and upset over coach garza just saying "stay classy".....please tell me i'm no the only one thinking that he wouldn't get mad just because of that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 23, 2008, 01:54:36 PM
We probably can't ever sort out all the confusion.  Several McM players told me this morning that Coach Garza was just trying to shake Coach Howard's hand and he refused, hence Garza's comment to him to be classy.  Maybe Garza  said something else, or maybe Coach Howard in the tension of the moment thought he said something else.  If there is an "HSU point of view" version of what happened, as hsucowboyfan says is missing, then someone should post it here for everyone else to read.

The paper also says that if there is any disciplinary action, it will come from the ASC, not Hardin-Simmons.  I find it a bit hard to believe that HSU, a Christian school, is not more concerned about violent public behavior and profanity on the part of its own employees, acting in their official capacity.  What kind of "disciplinary action" might the ASC exercise? 


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 23, 2008, 03:49:35 PM
Let me add something more positive.  While the "fracas" was developing elsewhere on the court, Robert Moreno from McM and Mardochee Jean from HSU, who seemed to end the game in a wrestling match, were shaking hands.  Some people let their emotions get out of hand at the end of the game, but there were people on both teams who were able to put it behind them.  They deserve our respect.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2008, 04:13:43 PM
I saw that too McMfan.  I also want to say it was a GREAT game.  Yes, the other team won, but it was an awesome game.  I don't think anyone should be "punished". We just need to be aware of our actions, words, and accountability to those we influence.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsucowboyfan on January 23, 2008, 05:22:20 PM
good post fanstand
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2008, 05:48:19 PM
I believe the ASC has the power to suspend a coach from a conference game. This happened in another D-III conference a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 23, 2008, 09:56:15 PM
My picks for Thursday:

Dallas at LeT-LeT
McMurry at Schreiner-McM
Ozarks at MC-MC
HSU at TLU-HSU
SRSU at CUA-CUA
HPU at UMHB-UMHB
Tyler at ETBU-Tyler

Upset pick will come on Saturday or as one says the "foolish: pick ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: A1C2U on January 23, 2008, 11:17:43 PM
I was at the game...sitting right behind the scorers table and saw the entire scene escalate.  I am not a fan or supporter of either school.  I was simply there to watch a good basketball game.  I don't really expect anyone from HSU to be impartial about this situation.  With that said, Dylan Howard made a complete fool of himself.  Never have I seen a coach act so immature on the court in front of his team and hundreds of fans.  What amazes me most is the lack of public response from the HSU administrators...especially since John Neese, the HSU AD, was right in front of me when the fracas started.  I don't know how any person can hear the words and actions of Dylan Howard and not take action.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 24, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: fanstand on January 23, 2008, 04:13:43 PM
We just need to be aware of our actions, words, and accountability to those we influence.
You said it all, there, fanstand.  I just gave you a karma point.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on January 24, 2008, 11:04:19 AM
From the perspective of a  father of a college athlete:  I understand very well the drive required for all of those involved in the game.  Player on player altercations will happen, coach to coach shouting matches  may happen, it's just part of the game, and we move on.  However a coach reverting to name calling of opposing players is beyond the pale and requires discipline from the school.  Failure to do so is support for the coahes' actions.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_indians on January 24, 2008, 05:10:53 PM
I just want to put this to rest.  It was unfortunate that these two schools have had to put up with this.  Both teams regret that it has happened and we all need to move on. I do have to say though that I was on the court when it happened and the majority of the things people are saying on this site and on the reporter news site are false.  I wish that everyone would just put it behind us and if you do post, please don't start any rumors or just write stuff on heresay.  . .This has blown way out of proportion.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 24, 2008, 06:17:16 PM
I just wanted to respond to tball275... I am sure that if you wanted to get any of the ASC head coaches on the air that they would be more than happy to accomodate. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsucowboyfan on January 24, 2008, 07:33:45 PM
Quote from: mcm_indians on January 24, 2008, 05:10:53 PM
I just want to put this to rest.  It was unfortunate that these two schools have had to put up with this.  Both teams regret that it has happened and we all need to move on. I do have to say though that I was on the court when it happened and the majority of the things people are saying on this site and on the reporter news site are false.  I wish that everyone would just put it behind us and if you do post, please don't start any rumors or just write stuff on heresay.  . .This has blown way out of proportion.

amen my friend.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on January 24, 2008, 09:11:46 PM
FYI...UMHB is now running live stats for home games. 
Currently at the half it is UMHB 38 HPU 28. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2008, 10:54:16 PM
Final CTX 92, SRSU 82.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 25, 2008, 12:15:15 AM
Mississippi College won their 6th in a row tonight with an 86-56 win over Ozarks. This win followed an 84-41 win over Louisiana College on Tuesday night. We are obviously playing much better, particularly defensively allowing just 54 points in the six game win streak and allowing opponents to shoot just 40 percent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 25, 2008, 09:03:35 AM
ETBU 61  UTT 56

ETBU held UTT scoreless for the last 5 minutes of the game.

http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1436 (http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1436)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: FrmrHSUer on January 26, 2008, 12:25:49 PM
I Hate To Be Bringing Up The Topic Again, But Here Is A Letter To The Editor Of The Abilene Reporter News About Howard's Actions.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/jan/26/coachs-behavior-intolerable/

I Wasn't Personally At The Game, But I Heard It Was Very Embarassing For Everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2008, 02:08:53 PM
I was also done with the subject. I know the player for McM did not get to play on Thursday, but I don't think the HSU coach was reprimanded by the conference.  It just kind of speaks of how we have become tolerable of bad behavior as a society as a whole.  Having coaches and an official from my family I see fans, coaches, and players without respect or discipline. Sometimes we make excuses (the heat of battle, emotions, having a bad day, whatever) but we shouldn't.  Yelling at official calls, coaches getting on to players and officials, fan craziness, and rivalry is part of the game.  But physical aggression, vulgar language, personal attacks by words or actions, should not be tolerated under any circumstances, win or lose towards anybody.  I am done, going back to women's bball where I belong............
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2008, 08:22:18 PM
Final:  UOzarks 71, at Louisiana College 69.



HSU 67, Schreiner 55 (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/MBasketball/schedule.htm).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2008, 03:10:33 PM
Op-Ed piece (http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/01/18/0118schrum_edit.html) on the future of D-III and D-IV by Southwestern University's President Jake Schrum.

Southwestern joined the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference in 1994 (http://www.scac-online.org/).  Please click on "History" on the right-side bar.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 27, 2008, 03:50:18 PM
I had a personal issue come up and I have not been on this weekend so I did not get My picks for Thursday:

Dallas at LeT-LeT-Correct
McMurry at Schreiner-McM-Correct
Ozarks at MC-MC-Correct
HSU at TLU-HSU-Correct
SRSU at CUA-CUA-Correct
HPU at UMHB-UMHB-Correct
Tyler at ETBU-Tyler-Incorrect

Only missed one takes me back up to 28-20!

My Wildcats must have the worst luck, another loss at the buzzer or near the buzzer at the end of the game.  Hang in there guys, big road trip this weekend to LeT it rain and ETBwho!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on January 30, 2008, 10:48:09 AM
Does anybody have any idea how the East Division is going to play out.  Things are crazy.  Watching UT-Tyler come back from 21 down at the half against LETU was one of the most disheartening things I have ever watched.  I am really interested to see how the Jackets respond.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 31, 2008, 10:07:11 AM
Time for this weeks picks:

Thursday:
HSU over Sul Ross
Tyler over Ozarks
CUA over TLU
MCM over HPU
Miss over ETBU
LC over LeT
UMHB over Schreiner

Saturday:
Sul Ross over McM
Miss over LeT
LC over ETBU
HPU over HSU
CUA over Schreiner
Dallas over Ozarks
UMHB over TLU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 01, 2008, 09:53:33 AM
ETBU 57 MC 48

Close game until free throws in the final minute.  I think MC didnt have a FG in the last 5 minutes and change and just 2 free throws.  Thats two games out of the last 3 that the Tigers haven't allowed a bucket in the final 5 minutes.  Josh Chambers and LaFrance Cooper both had good games including key buckets down the stretch.  Chambers had 15 rbs and 5 blocks to go along with his 12 points, while Cooper had 16 (11 in the second half). 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2008, 10:05:08 AM
IMHO, the only team in contention for a Pool C bid, should they fail to earn the Pool A bid, is UMHB.

The MissColl loss to ETBU qualifies as a near-ugly loss when looking at at-large bids!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 01, 2008, 11:07:15 AM
Thursday:
HSU over Sul Ross-Correct
Tyler over Ozarks-Correct
CUA over TLU-Correct
MCM over HPU-Incorrect
Miss over ETBU-Incorrect
LC over LeT-Incorrect
UMHB over Schreiner-Correct

Brings me to 32-23  Not bad so far.  How about the Kitty Kats getting a win over the Chocs.  Lookout ETBwho, my Wildcats are coming to get you.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 04, 2008, 12:53:15 PM
Way to go LC!!!! Beat up those Tigers!!!! Good road trip and we are back in this thing if we can win two at home this weekend!!!

Saturday:
Sul Ross over McM-Correct
Miss over LeT-Incorrect
LC over ETBU-Correct
HPU over HSU-Correct
CUA over Schreiner-Correct
Dallas over Ozarks-Correct
UMHB over TLU-Correct

Brings me to 37-24!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 05, 2008, 01:18:00 AM
Ralph, you are definitely right about Pool C and UMHB will probably be hard pressed to get that if they don't win the tournament.  Definitely looks like a year where we only send one team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 05, 2008, 11:16:19 PM
UMHB 97 CUA 83 Final

Gaddy goes for 35 and Wagner 23 for UMHB.  Mcdonald had 23 for CUA and Maxwell 18.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 06, 2008, 02:09:40 PM
#1ascfanman - I see you are a wildcat fan. Glad to see someone supporting the wildcats. They have had a rough year so far. But I believe they can pull off two wins this week at home being Thursday nights game is Fill the Fieldhouse. We usually don't lose the Fill the Fieldhouse game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 06, 2008, 06:03:01 PM
Hey Wildcat fan, good to have you on.  Are you a student or former student?  I am a '01 graduate.  I did not play but love to watch basketball.  Gotta love Coach Rushing.  This weeks pics:

CUA over TLU
McM over HPU
MC over ETBU
Ozarks over Tyler
LC over LeT
HSU over SRSU
UMHB over Schreiner

Saturday:
MC over LeT
Dallas over Ozarks
UMHB over TLU
LC over ETBU
HSU over HPU
Schreiner over CUA-Upset pick
McM over SRSU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 07, 2008, 09:19:39 AM
I am a former student. I was Coach Rushing's student assistant for 4 years. I graduated in '06. Then I became the girl's assistant coach for 1 year. The coach was crazy and I quit in January 07. I am now a high school science teacher and girl's assistant basketball coach and softball coach. I will definitely be at the game tonight to support those WILDCATS!!! I still know many of them on the team and we are still friends. We need to win these 2 home games to stay alive for the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 07, 2008, 02:53:57 PM
Hopefully the LETU/LC will be a great game tonight.  Sounds like LC is bringing out the fans for the game - wish you guys would wait for the ETBU game on Sat to do that :-)

Interesting to see if MC can get back on track against the LETU/ETBU combo.  I know that MC felt really cheated out of that game on Sat., so we should see some energy there for that game on Sat. 

If LETU can split this weekend, should move them into the driver's seat for that fourth and final playoff spot.  Both ETBU and LETU would be two teams that are dangerous to play in the Tourney.

All in all - should be a fun next three days of basketball......
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 07, 2008, 08:46:19 PM
Another letter to the editor about Coach Dylan Howard in yesterday's Abilene Reporter-News:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/feb/06/in-defense-of-coach-dylan-howard/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2008, 10:24:59 PM
HPU by 3, with the ball.  McM time. 0:30 sec. left.

HPU's Scott is called for a charge. 0:23 left.

McM ball and misses 2 3FG's.  HPU shooting 1&1 and miss the first.

McMurry gets the rebound, but time expires.

HPU wins by 66-63.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 08, 2008, 12:25:52 AM
Wild game in Abilene tonight but a great win for HPU. 

HPU is playing really well right now and is in a good position to hold the 4th spot if not higher.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2008, 06:46:09 AM
That game reflects the season.  Players playing badly hurt, or out completely.  The two games that we had everyone playing as close to normal as possible were the wins over UMHB and CUA.

That is the 8th loss by 6 points or less this season versus 2 wins.  There is a huge difference between 8-12 and 16-4!

In 2002-03, McMurry won a record 7 games in OT and went 3-3 in games settled by 6 points or less in regulation.

Some seasons are like that.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 08, 2008, 10:18:31 AM
Mississippi College got back on track last night. They lost to ETBU last week but beat them 90-64 last night and actually led 68-31 with about ten minutes to play. Good game for the Choctaws who have won 25 in a row at home and have a 56-2 home record in their last 58 games.

Also, I wanted to give credit to former MC assistant coach Kenny Bizot who has UT-Tyler a 1/2 game out of second place with a 10-6 ASC record. They picked up an 88-83 overtime win at Ozarks last night and have won five in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 08, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
Congratulations to the Wildcats last night in their home win!! Unfortunately, they lost junior point guard Dustin Cole with an ankle injury. I don't know the complete details but I think he has sprained ankle. Backup point guard Troy Folse stepped up his game last night. Morey S. dominated the court on both ends. His presence will be greatly missed next season. I predict the Wildcats will go 2-1 this week. We usually don't win at Ozarks. It is a very tough place for us to play at.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM93 on February 08, 2008, 11:49:28 AM
Man, when I saw that HPU beat us at our place I knew we were having trouble.  That is the first time they have beaten us at home since the mid 90's.  Hpu had a good run during the mid 90's.

What else can we do to salvage the season?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 08, 2008, 12:55:15 PM
Ralph HPU has players hurt and even had some kids not return but they are playing at a high level right now and playing well as a team.

McMurry just isn't the same pressing, running and gunning team they use to be.  They still played a lot of guys a lot of minutes but they just aren't as talented as in the years past.

Also Kimbrall Arena wasn't near as intimidating as it has been in the past.  The student section was a disappointment.  They are usually loud and in the players ear the whole game.  There was only one little section that was like that and they weren't making that much noise.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 08, 2008, 04:37:19 PM
CUA over TLU-Correct
McM over HPU-Incorrect
MC over ETBU-Correct
Ozarks over Tyler-incorrect
LC over LeT-Correct!
HSU over SRSU-Incorrect
UMHB over Schreiner-Correct

Brings me to 41-27, A few surprises but the record is getting better.

Way to go Cats, we are going to get ETBwho again and we will get back in this thing.  We are hot right now.  Go Cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 08, 2008, 11:59:20 PM
Quote from: dballa on February 08, 2008, 12:55:15 PM
Also Kimbrall Arena wasn't near as intimidating as it has been in the past.  The student section was a disappointment.  They are usually loud and in the players ear the whole game.  There was only one little section that was like that and they weren't making that much noise.

Bingo. Don't know what's happened to them this year. It's just a recent problem too. Last year, the group was great for most of the year. Something's missing!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 09, 2008, 06:01:25 PM
McM over Sul Ross, 65-62 FINAL.  McM won it in the last minute!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 09, 2008, 07:09:15 PM
Way to go Cats!!! Huge win over ETBwho! We now have the tie breaker over the kitty kats if it all ends in a tie. We got to beat MC! Keep fighting cats!We are back!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 10, 2008, 02:37:57 PM
Saturday:
Sul Ross over McM-Incorrect
Miss over LeT-Correct
LC over ETBU-Correct
HPU over HSU-Incorrect
CUA over Schreiner-Correct
Dallas over Ozarks-Correct
UMHB over TLU-Correct

Brings the overall record to 46-29.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 11, 2008, 11:16:04 PM
The ASC men's standings at
http://www.d3hoops.com/conference/ASC/mens
show MC in the lead at 12-4.  Why is UTD at 11-5 shown next to the bottom instead of in second place?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2008, 11:33:28 PM
Because some of the schools in the league decided to check-mark division games, which is not how the ASC calculates its conference record.

I thought I had gotten them all out. Hopefully it's not that someone is changing them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 12, 2008, 11:13:38 AM
Congratulations to the Cats on winning Saturday's game against ETBU!! We are back in the thick of things. We finally get a buzzer beater at home off to win. Dustin Cole the point guard is questionable for tonights game against MC. Should be a pretty good game since it is at LC and school is in session. Should be a decent turnout. Attendance is way up for this season at LC. Good luck Cats!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 14, 2008, 09:34:58 AM
Here are my weekends picks:

Thursday:
HSU over TLU
Tyler over LeT.
McM over Schreiner
MC over Ozarks
CUA over SRSU
UMHB over HPU
UT-D over ETBU

Saturday:
Tyler over ETBU
HPU over CUA
UMHB over SRSU
McM over TLU
Dallas over LeT.
LC over Ozarks
HSU over Schreiner
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 14, 2008, 10:22:50 PM
With their 71-68 win at HPU tonight UMHB has clinched the division and will host the tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2008, 10:53:18 PM
Miss Coll 88, UOz 76 (http://eagles.ozarks.edu/mbasketball/stats/07-08/teamstat.htm).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 16, 2008, 10:20:12 AM
Thursday:
HSU over TLU-Correct
Tyler over LeT.-Correct
McM over Schreiner-correct
MC over Ozarks-Correct
CUA over SRSU-Correct
UMHB over HPU-Correct
UT-D over ETBU-Incorrect

Brings me to 52-30
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 16, 2008, 08:30:59 PM
Hey guys...back after a much longer than expected hiatus.  Back with stats too (I *have* to find a way to do this stuff for a living). I ranked the ASC top to bottom using a method of projecting a team's expected winning percentage that I got from Dean Oliver's book Basketball on Paper. I also did each team's offensive and defensive points-per-possession, which are included below. Just in case anyone wonders, this includes all games, so teams that played D1 teams end up lower than they would otherwise be...the method's not perfect. Just my several cents added to the discussion.

Team - Projected Winning % - Offensive Efficiency - Defensive Efficiency
Mississippi College - .723 - 113.63 - 96.83
Mary Hardin-Baylor - .659 - 102.21 - 90.25
Texas-Dallas - .651 - 105.19 - 96.41
Concordia-Texas - .583 - 106.50 - 101.42
Texas-Tyler - .530 - 101.84 - 98.67
LeTourneau - .515 - 98.40 - 97.51
McMurry - .501 - 99.59 - 99.50
Sul Ross State - .475 - 102.00 - 104.57
Hardin-Simmons - .463 - 97.00 - 98.34
Howard Payne - .420 - 95.34 - 99.52
East Texas Baptist - .407 - 95.09 - 102.40
Ozarks - .380 - 102.31 - 109.45
Louisiana College - .379 - 97.21 - 107.81
Texas Lutheran - .240 - 88.87 - 104.52
Schreiner - .190 - 95.10 - 113.04
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 17, 2008, 12:30:14 PM
CUAfan.  I like your post, always interesting to see things in a different light.

My predictions for Saturday:
Tyler over ETBU-Correct
HPU over CUA-Incorrect
UMHB over SRSU-Correct
McM over TLU-Correct
Dallas over LeT.-Correct
LC over Ozarks-Correct
HSU over Schreiner-Correct

Brings me to 58-31

What another excting weekend in the ASC.  LC goes on the road to Ozarks and wins a must win game to stay alive.  The sweep over ETBU puts us in great shape because we have the tie breaker over them.  We have to win these next two at home boys!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 17, 2008, 12:31:29 PM
I will go ahead and make my prediction for Tuesday.  This is a tough one because both teams are not playing very well right now, but I am going to go with LeT over ETBU on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 17, 2008, 02:03:18 PM
Thanks, ascfanman. I was wondering, are you basing your predictions on your gut feeling or do you look at the last few games' box scores? Or something else entirely?


I'll re-run my numbers later this week using just conference games. I want to see how HSU (and everyone else) grades out without the D1 opponents skewing their numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 17, 2008, 02:03:18 PM
Thanks, ascfanman. I was wondering, are you basing your predictions on your gut feeling or do you look at the last few games' box scores? Or something else entirely?


I'll re-run my numbers later this week using just conference games. I want to see how HSU (and everyone else) grades out without the D1 opponents skewing their numbers.
Interesting numbers, CUAfan.  I wish that McMurry were the #3 seed in the West!

The calculations by pabegg on the Pool C boards are his best guess using the in-region games that the committee sees.

Practically speaking, the only team that gets a Pool C bid, if they fail to win the tourney, is UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 17, 2008, 06:37:26 PM
Are the West tourney seeds nailed down?

UMHB
CUA
HSU
HPU

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 17, 2008, 06:37:26 PM
Are the West tourney seeds nailed down?
UMHB
CUA
HSU
HPU
Not mathematically for HPU, yet.
Their magic number over McMurry is "one".
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 18, 2008, 09:15:37 AM
Actually I do look at past games and box scores to get some insight.  I don't know if it helps much but I use that and gut feeling for the most part. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 18, 2008, 03:23:43 PM
Well, it has been awhile since I have posted... mostly because the YellowJackets are bumming me out.  I do have one observation to make though and that is that UT-Tyler seems to have a belief that they can win any game now.  It will be interesting this week as they go to both LC and MC, but they have done a great job of finding ways to win.  Now if the Jackets can just win both games this week and get ozarks to beat ETBU on Saturday all will be well in the world :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 18, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
Can you listen to LC's games online?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on February 19, 2008, 09:40:48 AM
No, you can not listen to listen games online at LC. Great win for the CATS this past Saturday. It is the first time in the past 6 years we have won over there. Big win for us. We now hold the tie breaker over ETBU for the finally 4th spot. LC really needs to win these last two at home this week but they way we have been playing at home I scared of the outcome. We need to go 2-0 but I have a feeling we are going to split. Good luck CATS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2008, 12:38:08 PM
Quote from: cp1123 on February 18, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
Can you listen to LC's games online?
If you don't have a local radio station on which you can buy time for the games, then you might want to consider going with Chitwood Sports.

Concordia and ETBU do their games on the internet.

Do you have a loyal fan who would travel to the away games?

At this level it may be more about the love of the team than the glamour of the job.

I want to thank all of the broadcast crews that I have heard this year.  It sure is fun spending time at night listening to a ballgame!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 19, 2008, 01:01:34 PM
My picks for the Tuesday and the weekend, going off what my numbers tell me should happen. And no, I'm not trying to steal your thunder ascfanman.  :P

Today
LETU over ETBU

Thursday
CTX over MCM
HPU over TLU
UTT over LC
SRSU over SU
MC over UTD
LETU over UO
UMHB over HSU

Saturday
MC over UTT
UMHB over MCM
UTD over LC
HPU over SU
CTX over HSU
ETBU over UO
SRSU over TLU

If it plays out that way, it makes the tournament field UMHB, CTX, HSU, and HPU from the West and MC, UTD, UTT, and either ETBU or LETU (they tie by W-L record, I don't know who gets the tiebreaker). UTD and UTT also tie, and I don't know who owns that one either.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 19, 2008, 03:23:22 PM
The tiebreaker in the East goes like this... for LETU to get in they must win both games, ETBU must lose both games and LC has to split.  If all three teams end up with the same record LC has the tiebreaker.  LC has the head-to-head tie breaker over ETBU.  LETU has the head-to-head tie breaker against LC.  ETBU has the head-to-head tie breaker over LETU.  Confused yet:) 

LeTourneau also has their games online with Chitwood sports.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: chemprof on February 19, 2008, 03:55:36 PM
Dispite ETBU's loss to UT-Tyler, they are playing well.  As it turns out that game was largely determined by a referee's calls.  I expect ETBU to win at LeT tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 19, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
For the second week in a row UMHB has dropped in the polls despite winning both games it played, on the road no less...this time from 13 to 15.  Any thoughts on this?

The voters must have looked at the opponents records and not deemed them "good" wins. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2008, 06:49:03 PM
Quote from: rimrocker on February 19, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
For the second week in a row UMHB has dropped in the polls despite winning both games it played, on the road no less...this time from 13 to 15.  Any thoughts on this?

The voters must have looked at the opponents records and not deemed them "good" wins. 
Rimrocker, I think that there is more support for other conferences ahead of the ASC this year.

The ASC rarely gets any "pre-season love".  In 2000 McMurry, an Elite 8 team and 27-2, finished #6 and was voted #11 in the 2001-02 pre-season.  In 2006 Miss College was 29-2/Sweet 16 and finished #13.  They started the 2006-07 pre-season poll at #11.

UMHB lost in the first round of the 2007 playoffs and finished 22-6.  They received four votes in the Final Poll.  UMHB started the 2007 pre-season poll at #14.  That is the 3rd highest start for an ASC team in a pre-season poll, and with less of pedigree than any previous team.

They picked up a good win early over Miss College, when everyone else was losing, and "floated" to #4 in the Week #7 poll before the two losses in Abilene.

The other thing to look at is that the voters like UMHB as the second best team in the South.  They went from 319 votes to 297 votes over the week where voters probably thought that the last week's worth of games were not as convincing compared to what someone else had done.

Now I think that the voters are comfortable with UMHB around 300 votes, which is #14 on the "Perfect Top 25"  (In the Perfect Top 25, #1 gets all 25 #1 votes for 25 * 25 = 625 points.  #25 gets 25  25th place votes worth one point each.)

I think UMHB is in good shape.  The bullseye on the jersey is not too big!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 20, 2008, 10:25:35 AM
You are not stealing my thunder, I wish more would do this so we could see who does the best at the end of the year.  Thanks for joining!

LC, we are in good shape, ETBwho lost and all we need to do is win Thursday and it is all ours baby!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 20, 2008, 02:02:43 PM
Actually, LC needs to win both games to assure a playoff spot.  If they only win once, then the Jackets still have a chance to get in should they beat Ozarks and ETBU would lose to Ozarks.

LeTourneau finally looked like the team I saw crush HSU by 25 in Abilene early in the season.  Last night they were running on all cylinders against ETBU, but it might be too little too late.  I'm glad I at least got to see that team once more though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 23, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
My boys lost a tough one to UT Tyler.  We HAVE to win today boys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on February 23, 2008, 10:21:03 AM
I just wanted to find out if we will have "correspondents" in Marshall and Pineville to keep the rest of us informed of the how those games are going.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
UMHB took a lead with one-minute left in the half, 31-29.

McMurry came back to tie at 43 at 10:00.  It was a two-possession game until the last minute.

Final -- UMHB 70, McM 59. 

UMHB hit 12-21 on Fg's on the second half and 12-20 on FT's
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 24, 2008, 04:52:34 PM
Well, my boys gave it their all like they do every year.  I know we didn't get in but congrats to LC for the effort when everyone counted them out.  I saw the bracket on the ASC website, so I will fill in my bracket with my predictions:

Game #1: MC over HPU
Game #2: CUA over Dallas               Game #5: MC over CUA
Game #3: Tyler over HSU                 Game #6: Tyler over UMHB     MC over Tyler
Game #4: UMHB over ETBU


My upset will be Tyler over UMHB, that is a tough one to pick with UMHB hosting but Tyler is playing so well right now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2008, 05:23:13 PM
I really think that UMHB is hurting badly from the losses of Jason Wagner and Matt Dickey.  Those two guys are very talented and give UMHB that athleticism that they have not found how to replace, yet.

The McMurry game was a 1-2 possession game until the last minute, and UMHB could not put McM away.

I think that this is a toss-up.  The fact that we are not playing in Clinton is a big factor.  This is as close to a neutral court as we have seen in years.  Only Miss College has a "extremely" long drive to the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: t_money on February 24, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
Ralph,

I have not kept up with the season like I did in the past seasons.  I have seen MC play once and while they are a solid team I know Coach Jones has had better teams.  Who do you like in the ASC tourney and is the winner of the tourney the only team the ASC will have in the NCAA?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2008, 06:33:05 PM
Beating UMHB in Belton is tough, and I think that they will win it all.

UT-Tyler is my choice to upset UMHB.  I think that they have the athletes to do it.

CUA can win it, if they can get past Miss College.  I think they have the athletes to beat UT-Tyler.

Miss College has the tradition.  That may be their advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 25, 2008, 09:28:06 AM
I did not know UMHB was missing those two players, that may make things interesting.  Does anyone think with that scenario ETBU could pull off an upset.  They have beat some good teams but have been bad over the last few weeks. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Hugenerd on February 25, 2008, 11:51:47 AM
If anyone is interested, there is a discussion on the Multi-Regional: Pool C board on how OWP and OOWP effects conferences like the ASC. In summary, it puts them at a disadvantage to other conferences like the NESCAC, if you want to know why:
 
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1485
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CRUfan08 on February 25, 2008, 12:38:24 PM
"I did not know UMHB was missing those two players, that may make things interesting.  Does anyone think with that scenario ETBU could pull off an upset.  They have beat some good teams but have been bad over the last few weeks."

In response to this, yes having Jason and Matt out has made things difficult, but it shouldn't be a big deal. If you go back and look at the box score from the last UMHB vs. ETBU game, its shows that Jason and Matt combined scored a total 23 points...as of late different members of the team have stepped up in scoring in a way that was not expected before the two injuries.

It also helps that UMHB has homecourt advantage because as everyone knows it is very hard to play at UMHB and the team is very driven to win the whole thing, after being so close the past few years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2008, 08:08:52 PM
I am moving the Pool C (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.1484) discussion, beginning at post #1484 and continuing for about four pages onto this board.

I will make some suggestions with respect to improving our OWP/OOWP's, especially the men's.

Women's Pool C tables (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=2920.235).

The OWP and the OOWP of HPU, McMurry and HSU are higher than anything among the men in the SCAC or the ASC.

Here are the D-3 teams that the Regionally ranked teams have played.
HPU played at Redlands (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/RED/womens/2008) and at Chapman (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/CHAP/womens/2008) (Pool B candidate) in the non-conference.

McMurry played Greensboro (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/GBRO/womens/2008) (and Birmingham-Southern) at one tourney in Maryville TN and St Thomas (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/UST/womens/2008) and St Olaf (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/STO/womens/2008) at another tourney in Colorado Springs in the non-conference.

HSU played Trinity (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/TRNU/womens/2008) and Benedictine (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/BEN/womens/2008) and Southwestern (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SWRN/womens/2008) and Buena Vista IA (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/BEN/womens/2008) in tourneys.

Something is different about the women and the men.  The OWP and OOWP for the men are nowhere near as high.  Playing NAIA schools does not help us.  We play in a closed system, i.e., we are doomed to .500 for OWP and OOWP!

I have shared these thoughts with others.



Here are bullet-points on the ASC and its non-conference games/OWP/OOWP

Building the national reputation.  Things every team can do.

--Play more D-III opponents, outside the ASC.
--Travel to other parts of the country to play D-III teams.
--Invite D-3 teams to play in Texas/the ASC over the holidays.

Build the national OWP/OOWP rankings. Several policies will work to the benefit of the conference

--Mandate fewer inter-divisional games.  Mandated, pre-scheduled games take away from scheduling dates and opportunities to host teams from around the country.

--Only count intra-divisional games towards the tourney, as the ASC did in 2002-03 and 2003-04.

--Help with the travel load by moving to "inter-divisional crossover classics".  Each year the basketball coaches will arrange a crossover classic amongst travel partners on two weekends.

Let's use this example.  In the opening weekend there are lots of tourneys available to play non-conference games.  After Thanksgiving, there are still some non-conference tourney's available.  Then on the third weekend, McM and HSU would go to Clinton MS to play MissCollege and LaCollege in the first Crossover Classic.  These games would be South Region (and count towards regional rankings but would not count towards the tourney or divisional championship).  They would play on Friday and Saturday night (one less day of school missed).  Also that weekend, UT-Tyler and UT-Dallas would play Schreiner and TLU in Tyler.  ETBU and LeTU would host HPU and SRSU in Marshall on Friday and Saturday, and UOzarks would host UMHB and CUA.  (If UOzarks could get another team, maybe a Rust or a Hendrix to be the other team, then Rust or Hendrix would get South Region opponents not travel far.)

The second Crossover Classic would occur on the West on some weekend in January before intra-divisional play.  Sul Ross and HPU would play LeTU and ETBU in Alpine on Friday and Saturday.  McM and HSU would play UT-Dallas and UT-Tyler, etc in Abilene, etc.  Men and women could play all day.  Those are just examples.  i recommend that the coaches and AD's start looking at their travel partners and coaching friends to make this work.

In the second year of the two-year cycle, the teams just flip the schedule.

If a team needs more dates, then arrange the games in the first weekend of January or some other time.  McMurry and LeTU and ETBU played an extra game this year to get South Region games anyway.

--Fewer mandated games allow our better teams to play teams with possibly higher winning percentages to help the OWP and the OOWP.  Yes Schreiner beat Miss College last weekend, but that was tough road trip that no one in the country knows how hard it is.**   If Miss College could have scheduled a road trip to some place in the Great Lakes region for an in-region game, they might have gotten a more favorable outcome. 


(**DePauw in Greencastle IN going to Birmingham Al and to Atlanta GA and home is close to the HPU-SRSU trip for Ozarks or Miss College or La College.  It is a thing that we do in the South Region.)



I hope that this will provoke some thought.  We are not functioning well as a conference in Men's Hoops.  I know that travel is a big expense (especially from McMurry's point of view.)  However, it is our student-athletes that are hurting.

Let's "work the problem".  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on February 25, 2008, 08:34:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2008, 08:08:52 PM
Here are bullet-points on the ASC and its non-conference games/OWP/OOWP

Building the national reputation.  Things every team can do.

--Play more D-III opponents, outside the ASC.
--Travel to other parts of the country to play D-III teams.
--Invite D-3 teams to play in Texas/the ASC over the holidays.

In think this (in bold) is something the ASC teams can really leverage.  A ton of teams from the north take annual snowbird trips to play 2-3 games.  My alma mater, Illinois Wesleyan, traveled to L.A. between Christmas and New Year's this year to face D3 schools Occidental and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (both in-region games).  A few years ago, IWU participated in the Southwestern/Trinity tournament in Georgetown, Texas with Ohio Wesleyan.  This year, Carthage (from IWU's league) played in that same tournament.

The expansion of the "in-region" definition (via the administrative regions), has opened up the pool of candidates quite a bit.  Illinois Wesleyan vs a Texas-based school is in-region, for example.   This should be pursued by ASC teams looking for more non-conference, in-region games.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 26, 2008, 12:34:24 PM
Way to go, Ralph, actually coming up with solutions to the problem. Good ideas too. I still find it annoying that things like UTD beating UT-Arlington last year doesn't count come tourney time. If it could somehow be demonstrated that, say, NAIA-I was the equal in quality of D3, then games against such should count, especially given the relative rarity of nearby D3 schools in the West and South. I don't know where someone would start looking for the statistical data though.
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Speaking of statistics, here are some top (and bottom) teams in various statistical measures that I've come across. They include all games, not just ASC ones, so if you know a team played a couple D1 non-conference games, take their numbers with a grain of salt. I might post a complete list in a day or two if people want it, otherwise I'll send additional info to whoever asks for it via a private message when I can. A few notes..."pace" refers to possessions per game, efficiency to points per hundred possessions, and "rate" numbers refer to a how many times a team had an opportunity to do something that they actually did it (example, assist rate is how many made shots a team got an assist on).

Fastest/Slowest Pace - Concordia-Texas (83.93)/Texas-Dallas (66.65)
Biggest Overachiever - Mary Hardin-Baylor (Actual Win% .880, Projected .672)
Biggest Underachiever - Texas Lutheran (Actual Win% .120, Projected .279)
Highest/Lowest Offensive Efficiency - Mississippi College (113.13)/Texas Lutheran (87.97)
Lowest/Highest Defensive Efficiency - Mary Hardin-Baylor (90.42)/Schreiner (111.98)
Highest/Lowest Assist Rate - Texas-Dallas (60.9%)/Texas-Tyler (41.3%)
Highest/Lowest Block Rate - Hardin-Simmons (8.2%)/Schreiner (2.1%)
Highest/Lowest Steal Rate - Texas-Dallas (13.5%)/East Texas Baptist (7.4%)
Lowest/Highest Turnover Rate - Mississippi College (19.3%)/Texas Lutheran (28.5%)
Highest/Lowest Off Rebound Rate - Texas-Tyler (38.1%)/Louisiana College (24.1%)
Highest/Lowest Def Rebound Rate - McMurry (71.9%)/Texas Lutheran (61.8%)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2008, 07:10:29 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on February 25, 2008, 08:34:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2008, 08:08:52 PM
Here are bullet-points on the ASC and its non-conference games/OWP/OOWP

Building the national reputation.  Things every team can do.

--Play more D-III opponents, outside the ASC.
--Travel to other parts of the country to play D-III teams.
--Invite D-3 teams to play in Texas/the ASC over the holidays.

In think this (in bold) is something the ASC teams can really leverage.  A ton of teams from the north take annual snowbird trips to play 2-3 games.  My alma mater, Illinois Wesleyan, traveled to L.A. between Christmas and New Year's this year to face D3 schools Occidental and Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (both in-region games).  A few years ago, IWU participated in the Southwestern/Trinity tournament in Georgetown, Texas with Ohio Wesleyan.  This year, Carthage (from IWU's league) played in that same tournament.

The expansion of the "in-region" definition (via the administrative regions), has opened up the pool of candidates quite a bit.  Illinois Wesleyan vs a Texas-based school is in-region, for example.   This should be pursued by ASC teams looking for more non-conference, in-region games.
Thanks Titan. 

This only works if we don't have mandatory single round-robin inter-division games.

Coach Holmes played two in-region opponents at Colorado College in the first weekend (George Fox and the winner of the Colorado College-LeTU game, LeTU).

Coach Holmes played his D-1 Money game (to cover the cost of the Colorado trip)  over the Christmas Holidays.   He waited until after Thanksgiving to play his fourth and final "non-conference date" (against ETBU during) the mid-week of the third week.

With mandated 20/21 game schedules, we are killing ourselves as determined by the way the Championships Committees of the NCAA wants to determine championships.  We have almost no flexibility to do anything to help us with scheudling "in-region" opponents!

UMHB fans, if you win the tourney and get flown 1000 miles away for the first round games, look only to the conference-determined scheudling practices for the culprit!

Once again, I recommend this scheudle to all:

1)  Double round-robin to determine the division seeding and champs.
2)  Two (Mandated) Crossover inter-divisional tourneys to give "in-region" games.
3)  Permit schools to arrange any other crossover tourneys or crossover games to fill the schedule. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2008, 11:45:31 AM
Any chance of MC getting a Pool C bid from the NCAA after losing in the first round of the tournament?  The HSU women's team managed it two years ago, so it will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on March 01, 2008, 04:22:30 PM
Ralph - your ideas are sound in principle but lack practicality.  Many schools in the ASC need the money games from D1s for finanical purposes.  The programs are told by their administrations to schedule those games.  In the same vein, not all our schools can go to Colorado or another state to play D3's like McM can.  And schools would hesitate to come to Texas to play if the agreement did not include the ASC team returning the home game. 

Also, it is not as though the other South regional teams, like the SCAC, are 100% amicable to playing all the ASC teams.  For most ASC teams, those are the only teams close enough to play.  Therefore, if the SCAC teams won't play you, you have nowhere to turn but another ASC team or a NAIA/D2/or money game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 05:21:20 PM
Quote from: cp1123 on March 01, 2008, 04:22:30 PM
Ralph - your ideas are sound in principle but lack practicality.  Many schools in the ASC need the money games from D1s for finanical purposes.  The programs are told by their administrations to schedule those games.  In the same vein, not all our schools can go to Colorado or another state to play D3's like McM can.  And schools would hesitate to come to Texas to play if the agreement did not include the ASC team returning the home game. 

Also, it is not as though the other South regional teams, like the SCAC, are 100% amicable to playing all the ASC teams.  For most ASC teams, those are the only teams close enough to play.  Therefore, if the SCAC teams won't play you, you have nowhere to turn but another ASC team or a NAIA/D2/or money game.
cp1123, thanks for the comment.

Those suggestions are meant to encourage some flexibility.

There are two components to the 20/21 game.  The first is that it only leaves 4-5 games available for the coach to improve his profile for the selection committee.  The second thing is that the mandated 20/21 games removes available dates from the coaches schedule in which he/she could schedule a nearby SCAC team (which only mandates 16 conference games).

Take away the mandated dates.  Permit the flexibility to the coach that needs the extra dates and games to make the best case for the tourney.

This has hurt us in the past...

-- Mississippi College men were the #1 seed in the South Region and were moved to Virgina for the second round.

-- ETBU women did not get a Pool C bid last year.  IMHO, the coach did not have any D3 non-conference games for the committee to evaluate for the Pool C bid.  An in-region tourney appearance (with two wins) might have given ETBU the difference to earn a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 01, 2008, 05:31:44 PM
CTX beats HPU 105-92 for a chance at the title.

If (and I know I'm getting ahead of myself) Concordia wins the title, how does everyone think their 40-minute press-and-run style will work in the NCAA's? I think it would be at least a little bit of an advantage, since I don't think many teams play as fast as we do.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 01, 2008, 05:31:44 PM
CTX beats HPU 105-92 for a chance at the title.

If (and I know I'm getting ahead of myself) Concordia wins the title, how does everyone think their 40-minute press-and-run style will work in the NCAA's? I think it would be at least a little bit of an advantage, since I don't think many teams play as fast as we do.
If you play smothering defense at that pace of the game...

I think that the midwestern teams do not have the pure athletes that we have in the ASC.  I think that the forte in the midwest is basketball savvy.  Midwestern teams know how to score on the run-and-gun teams.  That is why Grinnell and Emory and Henry have never shown any dominance.

That style does make for a good match-up.  SRSU (http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SROS/mens/2004) had some success (Sweet 16) with their type of up-tempo in 2004.  (The last five games are ASC and NCAA Tourney games.)  McMurry made it to the Elite 8 in 2000 and the Sweet 16 in 2001 with an up-tempo (intensive defense) style.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 01, 2008, 08:10:02 PM
CUAfan,
Before you get your hopes up, don't forget that McM beat CUA both times they played this season, and McM didn't even make it to the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 01, 2008, 10:32:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 05:21:20 PM
This has hurt us in the past...

-- Mississippi College men were the #1 seed in the South Region and were moved to Virgina for the second round.

I don't think any nonconference games would have helped MC in that situation, and it doesn't matter how well you manage the nonconference portion of the schedule. The only scenario I could envision that results in a deep south team getting a sectional would be two other teams remaining in the field who also face flights, coupled with a deep south team on top of the regional rankings with the facilities to host.

Smart nonconference scheduling can certainly help get teams from the ASC in the tourney though, just not sure it will play much of a factor in hosting a sectional.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 10:55:40 PM
Of course, having two conferences in this part of the country is another discussion...

and we are not at that point yet!  :-\

ARGHHHH

On the Women's side, the ASC-East is 5-32 versus the ASC-West.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 01, 2008, 10:32:40 PM
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just not sure it will play much of a factor in hosting a sectional.
We may never see a Sectional for the men.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 01, 2008, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2008, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on March 01, 2008, 10:32:40 PM
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just not sure it will play much of a factor in hosting a sectional.
We may never see a Sectional for the men.

I think it will happen sooner or later, but the stars would have to align perfectly. Not only does a team need the credentials to host, everything has to play out just right in that particular year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on March 02, 2008, 01:01:27 PM
So, with a win today does anybody think UMHB has a shot at hosting next week or will they go to Centre?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: armywife on March 02, 2008, 01:13:22 PM
Can anyone explain to me how to access the live video feed of the game at UMHB today?
When I get to the website, there is a screen to join but I can't find the link to the game. Do I need to wait until closer to game time to get that?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: armywife on March 02, 2008, 01:13:22 PM
Can anyone explain to me how to access the live video feed of the game at UMHB today?
When I get to the website, there is a screen to join but I can't find the link to the game. Do I need to wait until closer to game time to get that?
Click here (http://www.summitticket.com/choose.php?Category=sport_live&School=154&Step=2). The games are free.  Just register/log in with your email and password, and you can select the game.

I will appreciate your keen CCIW eye.  However, there are two UMHB players who are not at full speed, Matt Dickey (broken hand) and Jason Wagner (?knee?).  Dickey is 6'7" and very athletic.  Wagner is 5'10" extremely quick and excellent outside shooter.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: armywife on March 02, 2008, 02:47:40 PM
Hi Ralph, thanks for the help.  I'm looking forward to watching the game. I know my daughter will be there cheering on the Cru.  Are you going to be watching on line, or will you be at the game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: armywife on March 02, 2008, 02:47:40 PM
Hi Ralph, thanks for the help.  I'm looking forward to watching the game. I know my daughter will be there cheering on the Cru.  Are you going to be watching on line, or will you be at the game?
I will be watching McMurry-HPU Women online.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: armywife on March 02, 2008, 03:49:31 PM
I hope that McMurray Women win tody.  It's been fun watching the Cru on-line.  My daughter found a spot that she could wave to me from. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2008, 04:57:30 PM
Final UMHB 82, CTX 73.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: armywife on March 02, 2008, 05:24:09 PM
Good game by the Crusaders today against Concordia.  I thought that Concordia's game plan hurt them in the end of this game. They played a very physical game, they fouled early and often.  By the end, they had quite a few players in foul trouble and they seemd tired from playing full court press for much of the game.  The Crusaders kept their composure for the most part and were able to pull away at the end. 

I'd love to see more of the starteing five for UMHB show more consistancy with their free throw shooting.  That would make the "foul early and often" game plan a lot more risky for the other team.

Fun game to watch. Congratulations to the Cru for winning their conference, their tournament, and a spot in the NCAA tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CRUfan08 on March 02, 2008, 07:42:48 PM
CONGRATS CRU!!! Played a great game
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 03, 2008, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 01, 2008, 08:10:02 PM
Before you get your hopes up, don't forget that McM beat CUA both times they played this season, and McM didn't even make it to the tournament.

True, but then (after looking at McM's numbers) I think they're better than HPU, maybe better than HSU, just had less luck in close games.

QuoteI'd love to see more of the starteing five for UMHB show more consistancy with their free throw shooting.  That would make the "foul early and often" game plan a lot more risky for the other team.

It already is. I haven't done the math, but a quick look at their FT totals compared to the rest of the conference looks like they're scoring a higher percentage of their points off FT than anyone else. IMO, challenging UMHB's shots but trying not to foul them would be a better bet.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 12:41:22 PM
UMHB may have gotten a good game.  Fontbonne is from the SLIAC, a conference which has not won a game in the tourney.

Millsaps and Maryville will slug it out in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 03, 2008, 02:49:04 PM
 
True, but then (after looking at McM's numbers) I think they're better than HPU, maybe better than HSU, just had less luck in close games.


I would have to differ, since HPU beat McMurry both times they played.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 05, 2008, 01:00:01 AM
Here's why I think McMurry was the better team this year than Howard Payne:

1) HPU won those two games by a combined 8 points (5 in Brownwood, 3 in Abilene), hardly dominating and well within what could be caused by random variability in team performance.

2) McMurry averaged 72.48 points scored and 72.32 allowed, a (slightly) winning ratio; Howard Payne averaged 71.12/73.44, a losing one.

3) Dean Oliver's method of projecting winning percentage (from his book Basketball on Paper) gets McMurry a .504-.447 edge over Howard Payne.

4) McMurry was a better team on the defensive glass (71.9% of available rebounds to HPU's 65.0%), and the teams were an even 32.8% on the offensive boards.

If the season were played 1000 times over with the same players and schedules, McMurry would come out on top of HPU more times than not.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 05, 2008, 10:00:31 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 05, 2008, 01:00:01 AM


1) HPU won those two games by a combined 8 points (5 in Brownwood, 3 in Abilene),


That's all that matters.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 05, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Only as far as season record is concerned. That HPU won both games does not by necessity mean that they are the better team than McMurry overall, just that they were better that day. Of course, that's why they play the games, and I'm not trying to say that HPU is a bad team. Heck, they beat Missississippi College, and no bad team was going to beat them....but I don't hear anyone saying HPU is a better team than MC because of it. They played, HPU was better that day, and MC's season was over.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 05, 2008, 12:04:39 PM
I am still reeling from a disappointing LETU season.  B/c of our suprising season last year, it felt like we took everyone's best shots....

Three games will stick out to me....
1. The road loss to ETBU in which we had two chances to win/tie the game in the final .15 seconds but took bad shots and turned it over...
2. The 21 point lead we blew at Tyler
3. The 8 miss FT's at home against Tyler in the second half

Great season though and looks like the best team came out of our conference.....

Best of luck to UMHB......
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 05, 2008, 04:02:18 PM
HPU went to the tourney and McM did not -- HPU beat McM twice
What is all the talk about?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 05, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 05, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Only as far as season record is concerned. That HPU won both games does not by necessity mean that they are the better team than McMurry overall, just that they were better that day. Of course, that's why they play the games, and I'm not trying to say that HPU is a bad team. Heck, they beat Missississippi College, and no bad team was going to beat them....but I don't hear anyone saying HPU is a better team than MC because of it. They played, HPU was better that day, and MC's season was over.

Based on your thinking, teams don't even need to play each other.  Just use some numbers to figure who is best.  McMurry knew they were play HPU.  HPU beat them twice.  Doesn't matter by how many points, who got more rebounds, etc.  HPU won.  And maybe IF they played 1000 times, HPU would beat them the majority of the time. 
   If I used your reasoning, I would say MHBU will loose their first game in the playoffs.  They won too many games by just a few points.  So, maybe they shouldn't even go to the expense of traveling to Mississippi.  Just tell the players, we've figured out they can't win. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2008, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 05, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 05, 2008, 10:33:46 AM
Only as far as season record is concerned. That HPU won both games does not by necessity mean that they are the better team than McMurry overall, just that they were better that day. Of course, that's why they play the games, and I'm not trying to say that HPU is a bad team. Heck, they beat Missississippi College, and no bad team was going to beat them....but I don't hear anyone saying HPU is a better team than MC because of it. They played, HPU was better that day, and MC's season was over.

Based on your thinking, teams don't even need to play each other.  Just use some numbers to figure who is best.  McMurry knew they were play HPU.  HPU beat them twice.  Doesn't matter by how many points, who got more rebounds, etc.  HPU won.  And maybe IF they played 1000 times, HPU would beat them the majority of the time. 
   If I used your reasoning, I would say MHBU will loose their first game in the playoffs.  They won too many games by just a few points.  So, maybe they shouldn't even go to the expense of traveling to Mississippi.  Just tell the players, we've figured out they can't win. 
Actually UMHB's numbers at much better than Fontbonne's!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 05, 2008, 04:35:40 PM
I have my own numbers.  I can't share them. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 06, 2008, 01:05:46 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 05, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
Based on your thinking, teams don't even need to play each other.  Just use some numbers to figure who is best.  McMurry knew they were play HPU.  HPU beat them twice.  Doesn't matter by how many points, who got more rebounds, etc.  HPU won.  And maybe IF they played 1000 times, HPU would beat them the majority of the time. 

Not hardly. The teams need to play because while the numbers represent each team's average level of play, there is a certain amount of variance on a game-to-game basis. Anyone can win on any given night. This is the beauty of the NCAA tournament. It rewards the team that can play at a high level, and do so consistently (i.e., have high numbers with relatively little variance). The games matter. HPU did win twice over McMurry, did go to the tournament while McMurry did not. Good for them; I am not trying to say that HPU is a bad team or did not deserve a chance in the tournament. What I am trying to say is that, when McMurry looks back on this season, they should do so with the mindset that, if they had gotten a few more breaks, they could have posted a .500 season and were, on the basis of their whole body of work, one of the better teams in the division. Who won head-to-head and who made the tournament are important, but when a team looks back on and evaluates their season, they would be better served to look at their numbers over the course of the entire season.

   
QuoteIf I used your reasoning, I would say MHBU will loose their first game in the playoffs.  They won too many games by just a few points.  So, maybe they shouldn't even go to the expense of traveling to Mississippi.  Just tell the players, we've figured out they can't win. 

That's not what I said at all. What my reasoning would say (keep in mind that I haven't seen Fontbonne's numbers), is that UMHB might not have as good a chance to win as their record might make one think. The numbers can show which team is more likely to win, if they play to their season-average level, as well as their relative strengths and weaknesses. The numbers aren't a foregone conclusion; they aren't even the end of the story. They are meant to inform the discussion, and maybe give a fresh perspective to it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on March 06, 2008, 01:35:20 AM
Now I know that i'm new to this discussion and certainly foreign to this board, but I come seeking some understanding from Paul or one of you other harbingers of wisdom.  I know that the number of losses is certainly not the only mark of how good a basketball team is, but there are four other teams besides UMHB with three losses. Three of them got a first round bye with a second round game on their home court. The other one got their two first games on their own court and we have to go play them there (500 miles away). The bracket above us is hosted by a team with four losses while our bracket has two teams with three, and one with two who doesn't get to host any games either. How is any of this remotely defendable ? The above foursome has a combined 34 losses while our bracket has 14. There are thirteen teams with worse records hosting at least one game and three teams with twice as many losses hosting games, including one team with six losses that gets a bye and then a home court game.  If the crusader's geography is really that much of a problem why can't we be given one of the first round bye's ?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 06, 2008, 07:49:05 AM
Quote from: Crukid on March 06, 2008, 01:35:20 AM
Now I know that i'm new to this discussion and certainly foreign to this board, but I come seeking some understanding from Paul or one of you other harbingers of wisdom.  I know that the number of losses is certainly not the only mark of how good a basketball team is, but there are four other teams besides UMHB with three losses. Three of them got a first round bye with a second round game on their home court. The other one got their two first games on their own court and we have to go play them there (500 miles away). The bracket above us is hosted by a team with four losses while our bracket has two teams with three, and one with two who doesn't get to host any games either. How is any of this remotely defendable ? The above foursome has a combined 34 losses while our bracket has 14. There are thirteen teams with worse records hosting at least one game and three teams with twice as many losses hosting games, including one team with six losses that gets a bye and then a home court game.  If the crusader's geography is really that much of a problem why can't we be given one of the first round bye's ?
As it always seems to, it comes down to travel.  Texas is on an edge of the d3 world and until that changes will be on the short end of the stick.  If 500 miles is the benchmark for bus travel, how many non-asc teams can bus in to Belton/abilene/alpine? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2008, 08:43:30 AM
Quote from: mhb8904 AKA Toby Taff on March 06, 2008, 07:49:05 AM
Quote from: Crukid on March 06, 2008, 01:35:20 AM
Now I know that i'm new to this discussion and certainly foreign to this board, but I come seeking some understanding from Paul or one of you other harbingers of wisdom.  I know that the number of losses is certainly not the only mark of how good a basketball team is, but there are four other teams besides UMHB with three losses. Three of them got a first round bye with a second round game on their home court. The other one got their two first games on their own court and we have to go play them there (500 miles away). The bracket above us is hosted by a team with four losses while our bracket has two teams with three, and one with two who doesn't get to host any games either. How is any of this remotely defendable ? The above foursome has a combined 34 losses while our bracket has 14. There are thirteen teams with worse records hosting at least one game and three teams with twice as many losses hosting games, including one team with six losses that gets a bye and then a home court game.  If the crusader's geography is really that much of a problem why can't we be given one of the first round bye's ?
As it always seems to, it comes down to travel.  Texas is on an edge of the d3 world and until that changes will be on the short end of the stick.  If 500 miles is the benchmark for bus travel, how many non-asc teams can bus in to Belton/abilene/alpine?
Pure brilliance!  Clear analytical insight!

It must be those degrees that he has earned from member institutions of the ASC.
;)  +1!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on March 07, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
I totally get that and understand, but teams should not be penalized for location.  If that were the case, there would be no Great Alaskan Shootout or tournaments in Hawaii.  I just don't see why the NCAA messes over the D3 school.  They'll take their money and garner their notability, but give them a fair bracket??  Never!  I see no reason as to why UMHB shouldn't have hosted.  They were nearly #1 at one point this season, and yet they are picked to be the disapointment of their bracket??  One can only hope, as I do, that we come out swinging tonight and lay it on these posers and show TPTB that the CRU can play!  Cru, Crusaders, Cru Cru, Crusaders...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on March 07, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
I totally get that and understand, but teams should not be penalized for location.  If that were the case, there would be no Great Alaskan Shootout or tournaments in Hawaii.  I just don't see why the NCAA messes over the D3 school.  They'll take their money and garner their notability, but give them a fair bracket??  Never!  I see no reason as to why UMHB shouldn't have hosted.  They were nearly #1 at one point this season, and yet they are picked to be the disapointment of their bracket??  One can only hope, as I do, that we come out swinging tonight and lay it on these posers and show TPTB that the CRU can play!  Cru, Crusaders, Cru Cru, Crusaders...
Great Alaskan Shootout... Corporate sponsorships that provide... Money!

Tournaments in Hawai'i ...Corporate sponsorships and tourism dollars..Money!

The reason that UMHB did not host is the exact same reason the UMHB football team was bused to San Antonio in 2002, (Bracketgate)...Money!

The reason that HSU played HSU in the first round of the 2006 Football playoffs, instead of Millsaps going to Belton and someone else coming to HSU was two reasons...they failed to realize that the change in mileage software standards and did not know that the monetary expenditures for sending Millsaps to Belton and someone else (CNU) to HSU would be about the same...Money!

QuoteThey'll take their money and garner their notability, but give them a fair bracket??  Never!
Precisely!  Division III gets 3.18% of the NCAA budget to conduct all activities.  Let's hope that the next TV contract plays even more!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 07, 2008, 12:39:35 PM
This was in this weeks Abilene Reporter News.  Not sure if it was mentioned before or not.

Garza leaves McM

McMurry assistant men's basketball coach Gonzalo Garza has left the program after two seasons.

During Garza's two years, McMurry was 32-20. Before that, the Brownsville native was the top assistant at Collin County Junior College. He also spent three years at Clarendon College.

Garza, 31, has been a coach for eight years. He played his college basketball at UT-Pan American
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2008, 08:49:49 PM
UMHB 65, Fontbonne 62.

UMHB barely misses the ignominy of becoming the first team to lose to a SLIAC team in the NCAA playoffs.  Only hit 43% on FT's.

Coach Kenny DeWeese mentioned how hitting free throws would have put the game away early.

25-46 FG
5-10 3FG
10-23 FT's
Ray 18
Wagner 4
Dickey also played.
Stats are going by too quickly!

They play the winner of Maryville TN and Millsaps at 7 pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on March 07, 2008, 11:26:19 PM
UMHB get Milsaps Saturday night.  Should be a good one.  Also, Guilford lost tonight so that opens the bracket up a bit for tomorrow nights winner in the next round. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on March 08, 2008, 01:06:20 AM
Sounds like they need to get their heads on straight, or its gonna make for a long night tomorrow night on an oppenent's court. Followed by an even longer bus ride.

Does that opening mean UMHB has any shot at hosting in the second round if they can beat Millsaps ?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSWho2007 on March 08, 2008, 02:05:09 AM
That ride is alot shorter when you come home with a W.
Lets go Cru... 8)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 08, 2008, 07:37:17 AM
Ralph - The MH-B coached failed to mention that if the ft. attempts hadn't been so lopsided that FU may have put this one away early. Second half saw the fouls at one time 10-2 in favor of MH-B, and FU was in a zone. I'm not saying that the ref's made a difference in the outcome. But, this was never going to be a blow out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 08, 2008, 11:25:12 PM
First I would like to congratulate Millsaps on coming from behind and beating the Crusaders tonight.

Now that I got that out of the way I have to start the conversation, does UMHB lose the game if it was in Belton rather than Jackson? I don't want to take anything away from the Majors because they won, fair and square, but when a game is that close I have to think home court is worth at least a few points.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2008, 09:59:34 AM
crufootball, Millsaps had their worst shooting night of the season, some thanks to the UMHB defense and some just misses on shots they normally make.  On a night like that it would have been easy to let down just a little, something that would have allowed UMHB to blow the game wide open.  It certainly helped Millsaps that there were hundreds of cheering students in the stands who kept up an incredible amount of intensity throughout the game.

So to answer your question, yes, UMHB probably would have won in Belton if Millsaps had shot that poorly.  If Millsaps went on the road and had an average shooting night, then maybe Millsaps gets the road win.  If Millsaps went on the road and had a better than average shooting night, then Millsaps probably gets the road win. 

As a Millsaps supporter, I'll be the first to admit that hosting this regional was a big plus for the Millsaps team and I think it was a factor in the two close wins.  On the flip side, Millsaps has only lost twice to D3 teams this year and that was when they had the long bus ride to Centre and DePauw in mid-season.  If this was the alternating year on the schedule where Centre and DePauw came to Millsaps, then I think Millsaps wins both those games and at 27-1 with the one loss being to a D1 team, I think Millsaps would have been a host based on their outstanding season. 

The bottom line:  1)  Millsaps lost the chance to be a top 5 team in the country because they had to go on the road instead of stay at home during regular season play; 2)  Millsaps got to host because they were in the right spot on the map for the NCAA to avoid paying for air fare; 3) And playing on your home court should always be an advantage which I think it was this past weekend.

May I add that in a year of watching Trinity win a football game over Millsaps thanks to 15 laterals on the last play, and one where Thomas Britt of Centre hit a buzzer beating 3-pointer to send the Millsaps-Centre game into overtime, it was certainly a joy to have Millsaps be on the winning end of one of those incredible endings.  Millsaps fans this year know better than most how it feels to have victory snatched away in the closing seconds, so I feel for the UMHB team.  This just seemed like the night when things would balance out for Millsaps athletics and UMHB was the unlucky victim.  Congratulations to the UMHB team on a great season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 11:05:49 AM
Frank, I actually think that you saw CRU and ASC defense.

This was an UMHB team that was hobbled with two major injuries.  I thought that Wagner was the most valuable outside threat and the most athletic player that UMHB had.  He was playing with a torn ACL.  I also thought that Matt Dickey of broken hand misfortune was the guy who made Ryan Burgart inside.  I thought that Dickey complemented (with an "e" -- completed) Burgart.

I know that my common metric in this was the Millsaps/Louisiana College game prior to this.

With the parity of outcomes that we are seeing across the country, I now believe that home court advantage has been a major factor in previous D-III history.  In the case of Millsaps, there is a huge helping of (greatly appreciated) luck, too.

It goes without saying that we need a strong showing by Millsaps to uphold the honor of South Region basketball.  With the spankings/edgings that Centre, Guilford and VWC took, it is good that Millsaps is still there.  The foray by the South Region to have 4 teams in the Sweet 16 (and three of the Elite 8 ) fell way short!

Go Majors!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 09, 2008, 12:34:19 PM
Ralph - Dickey played 16 minutes in the previous game against Fontbonne. But, I haven't seen him play all year to tell how much he was hampered by the hand. It didn't appear to be taped up. I think the downfall for MH-B was their troubles at the free throw line. They had more attempts in both games then their opponents and really struggled.

The conversation of MH-B hosting is a moot point, with the guidelines of the NCAA in tournament play. It is just a problem that will arise again. It was a very tough pod, with three teams in the top 25 placed together.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on March 09, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: crufootball on March 08, 2008, 11:25:12 PM
First I would like to congratulate Millsaps on coming from behind and beating the Crusaders tonight.

Now that I got that out of the way I have to start the conversation, does UMHB lose the game if it was in Belton rather than Jackson? I don't want to take anything away from the Majors because they won, fair and square, but when a game is that close I have to think home court is worth at least a few points.

crufootball,  
      Here is a couple of thoughts on the game for the UMHB fans who didn't make the trip. It's hard to say who has a better team since they only play once, but I would say that UMHB was an awful matchup for Millsaps and the Cru would probably win more times than not. But you have to give the Majors a lot of credit for pulling out a game they might should have lost, you need some good fortune to win the tournament.

I've watched Millsaps 4 times this year, and last night was the only time I've seen them struggle to get open shots. UMHB's size hurt them and forced them to take bad shots. Burgart shut down Montgomery and forced him into the worst game I've seen him play in three years. Gaddy did a great job on Bailey most of the game, but UMHB lost Bailey for some reason in the last ten minutes and he scored 14 of his 21 points. If he gets open shots, he can hurt you and he kept the Majors in the game when UMHB could have pulled away late.

The travel thing with the NCAA is what it is. Millsaps is benefitting from the same location that has helped MS College the last two years. They are centrally located in the deep south and had three NCAA Tournament participants within 500 miles. UMHB will always be up against the 8-ball when it comes to hosting basketball regionals or sectionals.

Millsaps now has a great opportunity to get to the Final Four with Augustana, Guilford and Stevens Point all out of it. They were probably the top three teams in this part of the bracket. I don't think Millsaps will face a taller lineup the rest of the way, and they can probably beat anybody if they are getting open three point attempts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2008, 02:33:54 PM
+1 Chris!  Thanks for the post!

That is what I thought!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSWho2007 on March 09, 2008, 03:31:15 PM
Congrats on a great season. Tough losses help reveal character.

Sounds like turnovers were the difference...


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 09, 2008, 03:39:01 PM
Thank you Chris and Frank for reponding to my comment, and I want to make it clear that I wish nothing but good luck to the Majors and I hope that the Cru can say they were 2.3 seconds away from beating the National Champs.

It just gets a little frustrating being a D3 fan from Texas. I feel like we got invited to the party, but no one really wanted us to come.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruGuy on March 10, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
I will preface this post by saying am I a biased UMHB alum, and that this is the only UMHB basketball game that I saw in person all season, so I really can't comment on how they normally play or how they would have played with fewer injuries.

That said if this game is anywhere but on Millsaps court UMHB wins by twenty. They were close to blowing this game wide open before the half and early in the second half when they experienced two strings of the most grevious officiating I've ever witnessed in my life. With just under ten minutes remaining the CRU were up 10 and in the bonus and were only able to attempt six more shots from the feild. When on offense the CRU were held, harrassed, and tackled, and in at least four instances that I can vividly remember crusaders were taken to the floor with the ball and then called for traveling. It's not that the whole team of referees were awful, there was one ref. who blew at least fifteen calls and robbed UMHB of the opportunity to participate in a fair contest.

You can't blame a game on the referees for one blown call or two. When one man makes a mockery of the game as happened saturday night it's a travesty for all who are involved. Having seen Coach DeWeese plenty in my time as an undergrad I can comment on his conduct and he showed amazing personal restraint in not getting T-ed up and giving Millsaps more free points than they were already getting. I've seen him thrown out of games for far less.

Congratulations to the Millsaps players for finding their shot late and hitting them when they needed to put the points on the board to win the game. I hope that Millsaps plays well and can win four more games, but there is no way you can convince me that Millsaps deserved to win that one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on March 11, 2008, 06:45:39 PM
i have not been on in a while since my boys did not get in but every team in the asc can say they lost a game because of a ref.  get over it.  LC always get bum officiating on the road and I am sure everyone says the same things when they come here.  That is why it is so difficult to win on the road and why home court advantage is so important.  I looked at some stats and saw the big kid from HSU fouled out early in an important game, they are probably saying if it had been at HSU they would have won the game.  It has always been that way and it will always be that way.  UMHB probably does not win if the tournament is held somewhere else.  They looked to be some good close games and all the teams were pretty evenly matched, i think the only game that had a large deficit was UMHB and ETBU who from what I saw had it to three at some point.  Lets don't start playing the we have won but the ref game stuff.  Good teams find a way to win through adversity, plain and simple.  I could make excuses all day about LC not getting in but I won't, they had a chance to win two and they blew it.  We really need teams from our conference to get deeper than what they have, whoever it is or we will never get the homecourt advantages we so desperatley need.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 11, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
Wow!  Millsaps gets called for 19 fouls and UMHB gets called for 15.  Millsaps gets 15 free throws and UMHB gets 28.  Isn't it quite obvious that the refs, or at least one ref, had an agenda to throw the game for Millsaps. 

Crukid, the numbers don't add up to your observations and no post in the past has said anything about the refs calling a poor game or a one-sided game.  I think you believe what you wrote, but it is an observation that is obviously filtered through a tremendous amount of biase if you think one ref made a 20 point difference in the game.  May I point out that the refs were selected by the NCAA.  Plus, I don't think I've seen any of those refs at a Millsaps game in the past so it's not like Millsaps brought in 3 alums to screw over UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fcnews on March 12, 2008, 07:35:35 AM
You can also look at the difference in free throw attempts the night before. This is while Fontbonne was in a zone most of the second half. FU ranked amog the top of all D3 teams in fewest fouls committed, too. MH-B would have still needed to convert at a much better percentage than they did.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 12, 2008, 10:07:16 AM
Anybody want to read a rant about how if Millsaps had played Maryville in Tennessee, Maryville would have won?  I thought not.  Of course home court is a big advantage and decisions about who gets home court are made in the time-honored American tradition---money talking..  I'm pulling for Millsaps.  Somebody has to represent Southern basketball and it's the Majors' turn!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on March 14, 2008, 09:15:20 PM
Milsaps wins again...82-73 over St. Mary's.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 16, 2008, 12:39:55 PM
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We will also be playing for one night only in San
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please pass this email on to anybody you think might
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suggestions.


THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT!

Rick
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Sand Man on March 26, 2008, 11:38:48 PM

Congratulations to the HPU and LC men's basketball teams, coaches and fans for being awarded the ASC Sportmanship Awards for Winter Sports in each division.

With some of the not so pleasant happenings at some of the ASC games this season, it is nice to see recognition for positive sportmanship.  Great job!

Hats off to UMHB and LeTourneau women's teams, coaches and fans for the same.

http://www.ascsports.org/Pdfs/gen/2008/3/26/WinterSAACSportsmanship0708.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 04:37:28 PM
Gruene Hall (http://www.doubleazone.com/2008/04/foul_shooting_one_shining_mome.html)

The writer of Double A zone blog visited Gruene Hall outside of New Braunfels  when he was in San Antonio for the Men's Finals.

It is good that he was exposed to real culture!

http://www.doubleazone.com/2008/04/foul_shooting_one_shining_mome.html

Please scroll down and click on the YouTube.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2008, 10:41:24 PM
The poll on the home page asks

"Which D-III player will do the best at the CBI?"

One of the names is Mardochee Jean.  :)

Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on April 24, 2008, 09:59:26 PM
Mardochee Jean, HSU's All-American center, had 12 points and 13 rebounds in his first game at the CBI on Thursday. They will play at 11 a.m. on Friday.

Incidentally, Jean went head-to-head with Ben Strong of Guilford, who was the person ahead of him on a couple of All-American lists. Strong had two points and four rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2008, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: hsusid on April 24, 2008, 09:59:26 PM
Mardochee Jean, HSU's All-American center, had 12 points and 13 rebounds in his first game at the CBI on Thursday. They will play at 11 a.m. on Friday.

Incidentally, Jean went head-to-head with Ben Strong of Guilford, who was the person ahead of him on a couple of All-American lists. Strong had two points and four rebounds.
Way to go, Mardochee!

Stats (http://www.collegiatebasketballinvitational.com/stats08/game-03.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2008, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: hsusid on April 24, 2008, 09:59:26 PM
Mardochee Jean, HSU's All-American center, had 12 points and 13 rebounds in his first game at the CBI on Thursday. They will play at 11 a.m. on Friday.

Incidentally, Jean went head-to-head with Ben Strong of Guilford, who was the person ahead of him on a couple of All-American lists. Strong had two points and four rebounds.

I'm satisfied with our All-American team, considering Mardochee Jean scored two points when Ben Strong was on the floor.

They were on the floor together for 63% of Jean's 22 minutes in which Jean scored 16% of his points.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on April 25, 2008, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2008, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: hsusid on April 24, 2008, 09:59:26 PM
Mardochee Jean, HSU's All-American center, had 12 points and 13 rebounds in his first game at the CBI on Thursday. They will play at 11 a.m. on Friday.

Incidentally, Jean went head-to-head with Ben Strong of Guilford, who was the person ahead of him on a couple of All-American lists. Strong had two points and four rebounds.

I'm satisfied with our All-American team, considering Mardochee Jean scored two points when Ben Strong was on the floor.

They were on the floor together for 63% of Jean's 22 minutes in which Jean scored 16% of his points.

Pat,
   I like the layout of your All-American teams as well, Strong was my pick for best DIII player in the country this year. Still a very nice showing from Jean with a double double. I would be more interested to see Jean's rebounding totals and defense against Strong, since those were his strengths on the court. He can score, but he changed a lot of games in the ASC defensively.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 21, 2008, 05:16:36 PM
Well, I finally managed to get Excel to cooperate in an effort to calculate the various individual statistics used and developed by Dean Oliver and Ken Pomeroy (amongst others I'm sure) to better evaluate player performance. I'll put a brief explanation of what they mean, and will elaborate if anyone asks. I also have more statistics than I'm posting here, so if anyone wants more I have more. There's a minimum of 40% of possible minutes played to qualify, so it's pretty much starters and sixth-men.

Effective FG% (like FG%, but gives an extra half-credit for making a three)
1. J. Chambers, ETBU - .648
2. D. Ray, UMHB - .631
3. P. Trotter, MC - .619
4. C. Jeffery, MC - .606
5. T. Hermann, HPU - .591

Offensive Rebound Rate (percentage of possible offensive boards actually gotten)
1. C. Jeffery, MC - 12.6%
2. D. Ray, UMHB - 11.8%
3. M. Jean, HSU - 11.2%
4. J. Eppink, UTD - 11.0%
5. M. Louimeus, LETU - 10.6%

Free Throw Rate (how good a player was a drawing a foul and getting to the line)
1. M. Caskey, UMHB - 106.9
2. J. Davis, LETU - 84.2
3. M. Hill, UTT - 82.1
4. J. Collins, MC - 72.7
5. J. Hutton, TLU - 67.0

Assist Rate (how many of the FGM while a guy was on the floor he assisted on)
1. R. Moreno, MCM - 29.8%
2. T. Brock, UO - 25.1%
3. B. Woods, HPU - 21.9%
4. C. Tellis, SU - 21.3%
5. M. Moore, CTX - 21.3%

Offensive Rating (how many points a player produces per 100 possessions used)
1. P. Trotter, MC - 128.7
2. B. Weasby, UTT - 128.7
3. J. Packer, SRSU - 115.7
4. J. Collins, MC - 115.3
5. M. Skluzacek, LC - 112.9

Block Rate (percentage of possible shots actually blocked)
1. R. Burgart, UMHB - 9.7%
2. J. Chambers, ETBU - 9.3%
3. M. Jean, HSU - 9.3%
4. B. Blalock, HPU - 6.0%
5. P. Trotter, MC - 4.5%

Steal Rate (percentage of opponents' possessions a guy got a steal on)
1. A. Reese, UTT - 5.1%
2. S. Rodgers, UTD - 4.4%
3. E. Lowery, UTD - 4.0%
4. T. Brock, UO - 4.0%
5. R. Moreno, MCM - 3.9%

Defensive Rating (an estimate of how many points a player allows per 100 possessions)
1. R. Burgart, UMHB - 83.6
2. T. Gaddy, UMHB - 87.9
3. M. Jean, HSU - 88.2
4. D. Ray, UMHB - 89.8
5. M. Caskey, UMHB - 90.0
(before anyone freaks, think about it; UMHB was the most efficient defense, so it makes sense they'd have the best defensive players)

Note: The decided lack of CTX players on these lists shows why you can't just trust per-game totals all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on May 22, 2008, 11:47:08 AM
Okay, I'm looking at the defensive ratings and transferring from points to shots made.  Are you saying that 42% of the time an offensive player went up to make a shot against Burgart that the offensive player was successful?  (or 58% of the time Burgart put up a successful defense if you a glass half full versus half empty person)

Or that Trotter scored 64% of the time he got his hands on the call during a possession?  That wouldn't seem to jive with his .619 effective FG rating.  Maybe the adjustment for 3's balances this out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 22, 2008, 03:23:48 PM
I'll try to answer your questions as best I can, but I'm not entirely sure how you're deriving the numbers you mention.

Regarding Trotter, there's a stat I didn't post called floor percentage that, for him, is .672. That means that about 67% of the time that his actions ended a possession (made shot, TO, etc.), that it was because he scored in some way. The effective FG% has to do with field goals only. When you look at regular FG%, 2's and 3's are weighted equally with a value of 1.0 (or half of 2 points). What effective FG% (eFG%) does is fix that so that 2's have a weight of 1.0 (as now), but 3's get a weight of 1.5 (reflecting their greater value if made). If you double a guy's eFG% (for Trotter .619 -> 1.28), you essentially get the number of points per shot attempted. (coincidentally, that also approximates his offensive rating, or points per possession)

Regarding Burgart, I don't know where you're getting the 42/58 split. His block rate means that he blocked 9.7% of shots taken while he was on the floor, which is very, very good (Ken Pomeroy considers 8.0% to be good). His defensive rating means that, on average, opponents scored .83 points when his actions were the deciding factor. There's another stat I didn't post called stop rate, which for Burgart comes out to 0.74. What that means is that roughly 74% of the time opponents came at him, he produced a defensive stop (block, forced miss, steal, and so on). That was the highest on the team by quite a bit...when attacking UMHB, he was a man to avoid.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on May 23, 2008, 02:18:21 AM
Where the 42 successful shots allowed came from was your 83.6 points per 100 possessions.  Since you can't give up a single point it is only logical to assume the 83.6 points would come off of 42 shots made.  If that is correct that would imply that Burgart stops a shooter 58 times out of 100 times he is in the defensive position.  The blocked shots I would assume are included in the defensive rating.  I was simply trying to translate your numbers to a useful tool.  When I go to a baseball game and a player has a .321 average and has gone 0 for 3 so far in the game the odds are that his average will hold and he is very likely to get a hit at the 4th at bat.  As a rating tool your numbers work in comparing players, but I wanted to see if they would be a useful predicter of performance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on May 23, 2008, 11:58:30 AM
Ah, but it is possible to give up a single point....if you commit a shooting foul and the guy only makes one. The formula being used for defensive rating attempts to account for that possibility. Frankly, defensive rating is a useful tool as is. Say you have two players to choose from, one having a defensive rating of 83 and another of 93. If they play with the same teammates until both players are involved in 100 defensive possessions, one would expect the team to do 10 points better with player A than player B on the defensive end.

Besides, the point of the numbers is to compare players. Who's a better shot blocker? Who's a better overall defender? Who's the best offensive player? Things like that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on June 11, 2008, 09:56:42 AM
I have not been on in some time and just caught up reading the last posts.  Any news on recruiting from anywhere.  I have heard some rumors around the LC campus.  I have heard about a 6'5'' shooter but heard in considering other options as well.  Any news from anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2008, 02:13:26 PM
Mike Jones steps down again at Mississippi College.
http://www.d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on July 02, 2008, 08:56:11 AM
Hardin-Simmons has a new athletic's web site. If you have www.hsuathletics.cstv.com as your bookmark, you will have to change it to just www.hsuathletics.com.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 07, 2008, 07:04:18 PM
Dylan Howard leaves HSU for Mississippi Valley

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2347

PS: Thanks for posting this, HSU SID.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 08, 2008, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on July 07, 2008, 07:04:18 PM
Dylan Howard leaves HSU for Mississippi Valley

http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2347

PS: Thanks for posting this, HSU SID.
Best wishes, Coach Howard!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfanatic on July 15, 2008, 02:40:40 PM
It's still a little early to know what player changes may be happening in the conference, but are there any thoughts on the long term implications of the recent changes?  We lost Jones and Howard at MC and HSU, and of course the second seat at McM has revolved again, but it seems that we have a lot of relatively new coaches. Schreiner, Sul Ross, TLU, & UTT are all  going into the year with 2nd (or 3rd) year coaches, and Davis @ LETU and Bonewitz @ CTX are going into their 4th and 5th years respectively. DeWeese is in year 9 (or 10) and his machine is now highly tuned.  Is the old guard finally falling by the wayside (i.e. McM terrible season, or is the game changing and it's time for new approaches and (relatively) youthful excitement and connections with the players.   We'll have six teams this year with less than 3 years in their current assigment.  It seems hard to believe that it won't effect the conference results this season.  These guys never put a point onthe board themselves, but they can sure have an effect on the mood of the team and the outcome of the game.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2008, 09:21:31 AM
McMurry will be back.

I like the new McM assistant.  I think that he will work out well.

McM went 4-8 in games settled by 6 points or less and gave UMHB one of its four losses last season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on August 06, 2008, 10:03:58 AM
What do all you hoops experts  ;D think about the HSU men's head coach hire?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 06, 2008, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: baddog on August 06, 2008, 10:03:58 AM
What do all you hoops experts  ;D think about the HSU men's head coach hire?
He got tired of the long Montana bus trips and decided for a change in scenery.   :D

MSU-Billings Yellow Jackets (http://www.msubillings.edu/athletics/Mens_Basketball/Schedule.htm)

The wheels came off last season.  MSU-B went 1-28.

Press Release of new MSU-B coach from June 08 (http://www.msubillings.edu/athletics/07-08_News/Pfeifer.htm)

Contract not renewed (http://www.msubillings.edu/athletics/07-08_News/MBcoach.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 07, 2008, 11:14:02 PM
New CTX AD (http://www.ascsports.org/News/ctx/2008/7/29/ASC_CTXNEWAD.asp?path=gen) has D-III roots.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 10, 2008, 09:16:22 PM
Mardochee Jean signs to play in France. (http://www.ascsports.org/News/mbball/2008/8/8/ASC_JEANCONTRACT.asp?path=mbball)

Does anyone know if any of Jean's relatives (or Mardochee himself) is a native French speaker?

That would help the transition.

Good luck!   :)

(Boy, am I glad he is gone!!!   :D  ;)  )
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 11, 2008, 03:27:09 PM
A friend on mine sent me this link to the website of the team that signed Jean.

M Jean (http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=fra&Team=896).

Enjoy!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2008, 12:02:11 PM
Condolences to the Kimbrell family upon the death of (former McMurry Head) Coach Kimbrell's wife and broadcaster Kit's mother.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2008, 02:07:21 PM
Renovations at Kimbrell Arena (http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/gen/2008/8/20/kimbrell_renovations.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on August 24, 2008, 08:02:37 PM
MC recently upgraded the golden dome.
http://gochoctaws.com/News/mbball/2008/8/22/MBSKJonesCourt08.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 08, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
In memoriam (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=36319)...Don Haskins

A west Texan...   :(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on September 10, 2008, 11:05:18 AM
Hey all - hope the summer was well.  Just wanted to post some insight over here at LETU -

Enrolled a BIG TIME D1 transfer this fall who could help us out a lot!  I'll get more details as soon as I can.  Saw this young man play in open gym....UNBELIEVEABLE!  Should be exciting for LETU and give some much needed help to D.Smith and D.Evers.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 11, 2008, 04:15:54 PM
Yeah I've heard about Van Wright.  I heard he signed with Angelo State...wonder why he didn't go?

Wonder how a kid who was on scholarship at D1 UTEP and Blinn Juco is paying for school at Let? Any truth to the rumor that he is getting most of his school paid for at Let under a bogus Academic scholarship?

Just an update, word around campus is that Ozarks got a 6'11 kid from Germany.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2008, 04:25:28 PM
::rolls eyes::

Welcome to the board and all, but if your first post is casting aspersions at a school using unsubstantiated rumors I am not sure you'll be here long.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on September 11, 2008, 04:57:14 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on September 11, 2008, 04:15:54 PM
Yeah I've heard about Van Wright.  I heard he signed with Angelo State...wonder why he didn't go?

Wonder how a kid who was on scholarship at D1 UTEP and Blinn Juco is paying for school at Let? Any truth to the rumor that he is getting most of his school paid for at Let under a bogus Academic scholarship?


I can assure you, 100%, that what you hear is false.  That's not how Coach Davis works. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2008, 05:06:38 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on September 11, 2008, 04:15:54 PM
Yeah I've heard about Van Wright.  I heard he signed with Angelo State...wonder why he didn't go?

Wonder how a kid who was on scholarship at D1 UTEP and Blinn Juco is paying for school at Let? Any truth to the rumor that he is getting most of his school paid for at Let under a bogus Academic scholarship?

Just an update, word around campus is that Ozarks got a 6'11 kid from Germany.
Welcome aboard ASCfan327.

Glad to have new fans and posters...

Which team(s) do you follow?

We always like having hyperlinks to press releases and local news items.  Post them as you can!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 12, 2008, 01:17:02 AM
Guess which independent has just joined the Northeast Athletic Conference as an affiliate member?

Dallas! (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=36395)

Dallas, TX and not Dallas, PA!

Wow!  Is there that much enmity against the members of the ASC?

Dallas will compete against SCAC schools as the "travel partner" of Colorado College in Women's Soccer.  (Colorado College's women's soccer is a D-1 sport.)

It does give the NEAC and UDallas access to the AQ!

The NEAC was a big conglomeration of 12 schools that arose when two of its five "original" members moved to the AMCC.  The remaining three (Keuka, Casenovia and D'Youville) became the nidus around which those independents and new members could gain access to the AQ.  D'Youville is now leaving for the AMCC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on September 13, 2008, 10:22:24 PM
I don't think the ASC wanted Dallas or I could be wrong and it just be Dallas feels they could never be successfull in the ASC. I think the ASC in the long run want another school that has football and wants to kick the state schools out or encourage them to leave.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 15, 2008, 04:05:42 PM
Thanks for welcoming me. I played for Ozarks a few seasons back and now coach a HS team in Calhoun County. I'm just starting to get back into following the ASC scene again...should be a good season. Anyone going to post projections for who is going to win the East and the West?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 15, 2008, 05:17:13 PM
ETBU 08-09 Roster


http://www.etbu.edu/Current_Athletic_News/Mens_Basketball/Roster.htm


Ive seen them in open gym and I like what I see a lot, but I will spare you the we are going to be really good talk. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 17, 2008, 01:38:45 PM
Link to Ozarks new roster. Go Eagles

http://eagles.ozarks.edu/mbasketball/roster/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: old_lion on September 18, 2008, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: etbualum on September 15, 2008, 05:17:13 PM
ETBU 08-09 Roster


http://www.etbu.edu/Current_Athletic_News/Mens_Basketball/Roster.htm


Ive seen them in open gym and I like what I see a lot, but I will spare you the we are going to be really good talk. 

DAMN!

I freely admit, I know nothing about this team or conference ... but man, am I jealous.  25 guys on the roster, 15 or which are 6'4 or taller ... wow!  If half of these guys can play a lick and/or their coach has a clue ... this should be a very successful D3 team.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 18, 2008, 10:40:51 PM
Quote from: old_lion on September 18, 2008, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: etbualum on September 15, 2008, 05:17:13 PM
ETBU 08-09 Roster


http://www.etbu.edu/Current_Athletic_News/Mens_Basketball/Roster.htm


Ive seen them in open gym and I like what I see a lot, but I will spare you the we are going to be really good talk. 

DAMN!

I freely admit, I know nothing about this team or conference ... but man, am I jealous.  25 guys on the roster, 15 or which are 6'4 or taller ... wow!  If half of these guys can play a lick and/or their coach has a clue ... this should be a very successful D3 team.   


Welcome to the ASC board, Old Lion.

Actually, ETBU is just another typical middle-of-the-road ASC team.

Usually the top 5 in the East and the top 5-6 in the West are very competitive. There are fans from 10 other ASC teams thinking, very legitimately, "We can beat those guys!"

The ASC is just isolated.   >:(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 19, 2008, 10:35:07 AM

Welcome to the ASC board, Old Lion.

Actually, ETBU is just another typical middle-of-the-road ASC team.

Usually the top 5 in the East and the top 5-6 in the West are very competitive. There are fans from 10 other ASC teams thinking, very legitimately, "We can beat those guys!"

The ASC is just isolated.   >:(
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Ouch Ralph.

I will say that other than MC nobody has been consistently towards the top of the standings the last 5-6 years.  With this group of kids I think Bert West has them headed in the right direction. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: etbualum on September 19, 2008, 10:35:07 AM
Quote
Welcome to the ASC board, Old Lion.

Actually, ETBU is just another typical middle-of-the-road ASC team.

Usually the top 5 in the East and the top 5-6 in the West are very competitive. There are fans from 10 other ASC teams thinking, very legitimately, "We can beat those guys!"

The ASC is just isolated.   >:(

Ouch Ralph.

I will say that other than MC nobody has been consistently towards the top of the standings the last 5-6 years.  With this group of kids I think Bert West has them headed in the right direction. 
Hey, etbualum!

Yeah, the Chocs may have been to the NCAA's more than anyone in the last decade, but you will agree with me, that every time an ASC team steps on the floor, it thinks that it can beat their foe!   ;)

I know that is the way that we feel at McMurry (and ETBU has messed with us way too often in the past!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on September 21, 2008, 06:00:27 PM
What a summer, sounds like everyone had a good summer recruiting. Old Lion, don't be too impressed by ETBU's roster.  We beat them twice last year and if we would have taken care of business would have been in the tournament.  But, we did not.  I have seen Ekah, he has improved tremendously and they picked up another big man that can play.  With Josh J back I predict another sweep of ETBU and I think this team has a shot at getting in.  Here is the new roster for LC.

http://www.lcwildcats.net/roster.asp?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 22, 2008, 10:12:46 AM
Ralph

You are correct.  I was just giving you a hard time.

We will be able to field a much taller and much more athletic team this year.  The biggest difference if I think a couple of those guys can really shoot it.  Im really looking forward the hoops season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 22, 2008, 11:53:41 AM
I love the offseason ramblings on this message board. The blind optimism that everyone has for their team is beautiful to see. The sad thing is that 1 month into the season half of these people start putting quotes up about what players they have coming in for the next season or they are busy making excuses for why they didn't make the tournament. Offseason is about hope and then the first time UT Tyler or LC enters your gym and beats you on your home floor you start planning for next season. I think every school has good players, some like MC get more quality players than others, but overall it comes down to who can put it all together. I would argue that LeT had a very talented team last year with Smith, Evers, and Rockmore but they couldn't even squeeze a 4 seed. Sometimes other factors play in like coaching, synergy, and attrition. Even last year with arguable one of the best posts the conference has seen in years, Kareem, Ozarks couldn't make it a respectable season. Basically what I am trying to say is that....all these little quotes about how good your team is going to be based on seeing them play in open gym a few times mean nothing when the season really starts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 22, 2008, 12:00:39 PM
Hey does anyone know what happened to Jayme Bradley that used to play for LeT? I remember my friend who played at UT Tyler a few years back telling me that this kid was a great shooter but just didnt have enough money to pay for school at Tyler. Then I saw he ended up playing at LeT (LeT costs well over $20,000 a year while Tyler is less than $10,000????) and had a good first year...does anyone know if he got injuried last season or if he transfered out?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 22, 2008, 02:16:31 PM
I know Bradley was injured at 1 point last season.   He is from Tatum so that may be why he chose LETU over Tyler.  It also could have been because they were not conference eligible as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on September 23, 2008, 10:59:16 AM
Jayme decided to focus on his studies so that he could finish school.  I believe he should walk either this December or next May.  He was a very streaky shooter....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on September 23, 2008, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on September 22, 2008, 11:53:41 AM
I love the offseason ramblings on this message board. The blind optimism that everyone has for their team is beautiful to see. The sad thing is that 1 month into the season half of these people start putting quotes up about what players they have coming in for the next season or they are busy making excuses for why they didn't make the tournament. Offseason is about hope and then the first time UT Tyler or LC enters your gym and beats you on your home floor you start planning for next season. I think every school has good players, some like MC get more quality players than others, but overall it comes down to who can put it all together. I would argue that LeT had a very talented team last year with Smith, Evers, and Rockmore but they couldn't even squeeze a 4 seed. Sometimes other factors play in like coaching, synergy, and attrition. Even last year with arguable one of the best posts the conference has seen in years, Kareem, Ozarks couldn't make it a respectable season. Basically what I am trying to say is that....all these little quotes about how good your team is going to be based on seeing them play in open gym a few times mean nothing when the season really starts.

Ha - I don't think ANYONE is putting UTTyler in the same category at LC this year.  They will be awfully good. 

As for LeT not being able to pull of the 4 seed.... 7 of their 13 losses were within 7 points or less.  The UTT loss, they had a double digit lead in the first half and then just got destroyed in the second half.  Their biggest key to success is J.Hayes, their PG (who happened to play with DJ Augustine in HS).  He went down in the early part of the season with a shoulder injury and it just killde them.  He tried to come back and play, but was ineffective.  Two years ago, they had a senior PG, Marcus Coleman, who really made a huge difference, but it just didn't show up on the stat sheet.  This year they have three capable PG.  Just goes to show that you can have all the big men in the world on your team, but if you don't have a PG, they are worthless....

And no excuses for not making the tournament last year with the talent they had...there were four teams that were flat out better than they were.  I think it'll be a dog fight year in and year out in the ASC, with MC really the only one who can legitimately punch their tickets for post season play. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 24, 2008, 10:07:22 AM
How does MC's roster look compared to last year. I know they still won the East but they were not as dominate as in years past. Did they reload with some good players after losing those big time starters?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 25, 2008, 09:16:28 AM
http://www.gochoctaws.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

if you go by numbers i think they win ;D

Lots of new jucos.  I would imagine they will be pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 25, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
Very true...lots of JuCo guys for MC. They look to be the team to beat again.
Anyone want to make some preseason predictions about final standings?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on September 25, 2008, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: etbualum on September 25, 2008, 09:16:28 AM
http://www.gochoctaws.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

if you go by numbers i think they win ;D

Lots of new jucos.  I would imagine they will be pretty good.


I count 42, how do you manage that with half or less on your active roster. What do the other guys do?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 25, 2008, 02:12:18 PM

I count 42, how do you manage that with half or less on your active roster. What do the other guys do?
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I guess they would cut some of them or tell them to come back next season. I know there is no redshirting in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 25, 2008, 02:13:35 PM
Im sure some teams have JV teams also. I feel bad for those players that think they are going to make the team and then arrive on campus with 40 other players.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on September 25, 2008, 07:12:59 PM
It seems that if they can get all those juco guys, mostly it seems from Mississippi, it looks like there are plenty to go around.  Maybe other schools should start recruiting there too.  LC is the closest team, if they could just get a couple of those players they could be good.  MC will probably cut about 10 that could start for half the other teams in the conference.  Early predictions:

UT-Tyler
MC
LeT
LC
UO
ETBu
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on September 25, 2008, 08:01:47 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on September 25, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
Anyone want to make some preseason predictions about final standings?

Why, when anything anyone thinks right now is just a outright guess. Some things we can presume, like MC making the tourney and CTX scoring like nobody's business (in total point terms, anyway), but not much.

For the record, I have the same opinion about preseason D1 polls for football and basketball.

Oh, but if Justin Reefer comes back to CTX and replaces Maxwell in the lineup (oh, and someone other than Mann plays the point), CTX will be dangerous next year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 26, 2008, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on September 25, 2008, 07:12:59 PM

UT-Tyler
MC
LeT
LC
UO
ETBu

You forgot UTD, they should have a nice sqaud. I believe that they are returning everyone after finishing tied for 2nd last year. Also, why ETBU in last? They are returning most key players from last years tournament team and it looks like they got a few JUCO kids.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 26, 2008, 01:35:03 PM
He is an LC guys it just wouldnt be right to put etbu better than last.

As far as the MC, they have a lot of JUCOs in state with less competition in recruiting.  The state also does a lot on the financial aid side to keep kids in state.  Add that to the fact that MC is about 18,600 per year(compared to 24,000 at UMHB) and you have a winning formula. Winning every year probably doesnt hurt.

At ETBU we have a JV team so the guys that dont play Varsity the first year will play an short JV season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on September 26, 2008, 05:05:58 PM
I am an LC guy, but I know that the coach at UT-T was brought up in the MC way, and he will probably reload just the same there, I have seen what we have and we beat ETBU twice last year and we are better.  MC is MC and LU has, apparently, a game changing type player with a very good team coming back, and I have heard UO has a nice squad returning with new recruits that should help.  UO scares me, it seems like they are due and this could be that year.  UT-D I forgot about but they will be good again as always and if I am not mistaken split with ETBU and finished higher than they did last year.  So that is my reasoning.  But, who knows!!! ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on September 30, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
Any preseason player of the year predictions for each conference?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on September 30, 2008, 12:20:41 PM
In the east I see it like this

Josh Johnson
Dewones Smith



In the west probably the UMHB kid Gaddy but I dont know that side very well.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on October 01, 2008, 08:16:53 AM
Brad Walker from CTX could be in the running.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 01, 2008, 09:59:11 AM
Quote from: etbualum on September 30, 2008, 12:20:41 PM
In the east I see it like this

Josh Johnson
Dewones Smith



In the west probably the UMHB kid Gaddy but I dont know that side very well.






Both of those players (Smith and Johnson) are solid and put up good numbers last season but what if neither of their teams make the conference tounry. Can you still justify giving them the MVP of the conference when they can't make the top 4 in their respected division?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 01, 2008, 12:26:24 PM
My Preseason predictions

East:

MC
UT-Dallas
UT-Tyler
LeT
ETBU
LC
Ozarks


West:

UMHB
Concordia
HPU
McM
SRSU
HSU
SU
TLU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 01, 2008, 12:33:40 PM
Player of the Year predictions:

East: Probably some JUCO kid from MC


West: Tillman Gaddy
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 12:44:41 PM
Quote from: pistol.pete on October 01, 2008, 12:26:24 PM
My Preseason predictions

East:

MC
UT-Dallas
UT-Tyler
LeT
ETBU
LC
Ozarks


West:

UMHB
Concordia
HPU
McM
SRSU
HSU
SU
TLU

Just FYI, there already is a prominent "Pistol Pete" on the boards so I made a slight name change for you. Let me know if you prefer something different.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 01, 2008, 01:25:50 PM
what you changed it to is fine with me.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 01, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 01, 2008, 12:26:24 PM
My Preseason predictions

East:

MC
UT-Dallas
UT-Tyler
LeT
ETBU
LC
Ozarks


West:

UMHB
Concordia
HPU
McM
SRSU
HSU
SU
TLU

Pistol Pete...Ozarks last? Thats a little harsh. I guess I may be bias but I dont think they will be last at the end of the season. You may also be giving UT-Tyler too much credit...didn't they lost 4 starters to graduation? LeT and UTD have almost the same roster from last year so I would place them in front of Tyler. That 4th spot is up for grabs in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 01, 2008, 05:00:28 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on October 01, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
Pistol Pete...Ozarks last? Thats a little harsh. I guess I may be bias but I dont think they will be last at the end of the season. You may also be giving UT-Tyler too much credit...didn't they lost 4 starters to graduation? LeT and UTD have almost the same roster from last year so I would place them in front of Tyler. That 4th spot is up for grabs in my opinion.

Ozarks is always capable of squeezing out a win at home, but they are never consistent on the road. Not to mention you will not have Kareem this year and you also lost your other starting post. Im guessing thats around 1/3 of the scoring from last year. Thats why I have them in last.
I have UT-Tyler in 3rd because not much was expected out of them last year but they got it done. Not being a private school it should be easy for them to get some athletes in.
It sounds like LeT has a pretty good squad but how will a D1 transfer fit in with the 3 starters that they already have who want the ball in their hands. That will be interesting to see.
But your right it should be a good year and a fight to the finish in both divisions.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 01, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
Pistol Pete, who is your team or you just a fan of the conference? 

I agree with most of your predictions. UO has traditionally been last so until they prove otherwise, that is where they probably should be but as you can see that is not where I put them.  I think you have HSU too low, they have a new coach that might be a surprise. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 02, 2008, 10:06:18 AM
Preseason predictions

East:

LeT
MC
UT-Dallas
UT-Tyler
ETBU
Ozarks
LC


I think OU can beat LC out at least. LC has one good player who didn't even get them to the conference tourny last year. I also think that LeT with Smith, Evers, and this all-world D1 transfer they seem to have convinced to go to school in the middle of nowhere will be tough to beat. Does any team have 3 athletics that can defend those 3 positions and be effective....maybe MC? UTD returns virtually their same team so they should be solid again.

I think ETBU,OU, and Tyler battle it out for the final spot with LC lucky to win 6 conference games. Pistol Pete...what team are you affiliated with?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 02, 2008, 10:24:05 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 01, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
Pistol Pete, who is your team or you just a fan of the conference? 

I agree with most of your predictions. UO has traditionally been last so until they prove otherwise, that is where they probably should be but as you can see that is not where I put them.  I think you have HSU too low, they have a new coach that might be a surprise. 

I live in Richardson and my nephew played for UT-Dallas a few years back. I still try to attend most of the home games just because I enjoy watching basketball.
I dont know too much about the West so that was basically a guess I put together. I know losing the two brothers at post will really hurt HSU and they have left big shoes to fill. And having a new coach probably hurt them in recruiting. When was he hired? Did he have time to go out and recruit or is just hoping the former coach did his job while he was still there?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2008, 08:17:29 AM
Welcome Pete!

We are glad to have more "East" posters.  The West has always had a wide array of posters.  A couple of good and frequent UT-D posters will help a lot.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on October 03, 2008, 08:13:35 PM
MC - you have to beat the best to be the best and in my mind, they are still top dog on this side.  Isn't it great to lose an amazing coach and be able to fit another amazing coach right in.  I think they'll rebound from what they consider to be a subpar year and be ready to win that crown. 

UT-Tyler - Great coach who did a lot with last year's talent.  Tough road games @ UMHB and Concorida, but they have HSU and McM at home which will help.  Be interesting to see the talent he recruited.  Great guy as well!

LETU - played a lot of close games last year.  Tough early season schedule may hurt them, but if they get through this with confidence, could be a tough team.  I think the schedule falls in their favor as well with UMHB, McM, and HSU all at home.  It'll be fun to see how they do in the UMHB tournament.

LC - I just really like Josh Johnson and if there is one guy that can carry his team, this is the man.  What will hurt him is his surrounding cast.  I don't feel like there is another game changer on this team. 

ETBU - wow, can we get some more guys on this roster.  No matter how many guys you have, only 5 can play on the court at a time and I am sure that will trim down as players realize they'll never see the court.  Not sure about their talent level this year and my friends over there says that they are very athletic.

UT-Dallas - I am not sure what to think of them.  I've never been blown away by their talent, but it seems that they just know how to win. 

Univ. Ozarks - Once again, I don't know a lot about UO.  I feel once you lose your best player, that's going to hurt you for at least on year and in doing so, this will be that year. 

So by no means is this trying to call anyone out and it's not like I am an analyst who's been at every practice.  Just based off of last year's games that I watched and friends that I have in different places.  Any key games that people are looking forward to watching this year?

For me - UMHB tournament should be good with UW-Whitewater coming down to play and happened to finsih number 8 in the country.  Oh and by the way, they returned their starting five.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 03, 2008, 11:36:47 PM
A lot of activity on the board for this time of year. I'm just starting the preseason work for the MS College basketball team so I'm not familiar with everyone yet, but here is some information off the top of my head. I'm sure I'll leave a few out because we have over 40 players, including 23 transfers on the roster. Here are the high points though.

We return five players from the 10-player rotation a year ago and 5 of the top 9 scorers. We lost the top three scorers. Forward Bryan Johnson (6-7 SR) and guards Mike Penson (6-0 SR), Andre Coleman (6-2 SR), Clarence Jeffery (6-2 SR) and E. C. Williams (6-5 SO) all return. 

The incoming class has 13 JUCO transfers, and a few very good freshmen. I don't have bios on everyone but here are a couple names off the top of my head.

Richard Worthy (6-4, 220, G/F) - Former MS JUCO All-Star who went to Oklahoma City last year and averaged over 10 points and 6 rebounds as a starter in the first semester. He left the program at Christmas and OK City went on to win the NAIA National Championship.

Christian Marshall (6-10, 235, C) - MS JUCO transfer from Co-Lin. Played in the JUCO all-star game. Was selected as one of MS's Dandy Dozen players by the Clarion Ledger his senior year of HS.

Jeff Webb (6-3, 200, SG) - JUCO transfer who was an overall Second Team All-State selection in MS as a senior in high school. Four of the five First Team selections that year are in the NBA now.  D. J. Jones is the only other MS first or second team All-State player we've had recently as far as I know. He was also a second team selection. Tim Broomfield was honorable mention.

Mark Wilson (6-7, 220, F) - MS JUCO who was selected as a starter in the MS JUCO All-Star game. We get a lot of players who play in the All-Star game, but I can't think of another who started.  Mark is a couple years older because he's already served overseas in the military.

Staddrick McDaniel (5-6, 160, PG) - MS JUCO selected to play in the MS JUCO All-Star game. Started all season for a very good MS Delta team.

Josh Harvey (5-8, 160, PG) - MS JUCO selected to play in MS JUCO All=Star game. Averaged about 16 points and five assists at Hinds CC.


I know I'm leaving some good players out. There were a couple other guards selected to play in the MS JUCO All-Star game but I don't have everyone's info and haven't had a chance to meet them all. There are also a couple high school kids the coaches are excited about who could play early. I'm pretty sure this group of newcomers includes the most MS JUCO All-Stars we've ever added in one year which is usually a pretty good barometer of talent for us.

I have no idea how good we will be, but I think it's the most good players we've had on the roster since the 05-06 season. We return five who have been successful in the ASC, and there seems to be another 10-12 new guys who are very talented.

Hopefully it will be another good season and we can host the ASC Tournament again, but the ASC East looks good early. LeTourneau will be very good looking at their roster, and UT-Tyler should also be very good. Coach Bizot does a great job and they picked up a few JUCO players we were also after.  We've been fortunate to have a lot of success at home where we are 167-12 since joining the ASC 12 years ago, so it would be huge for us to host again.

UMHB is the obvious favorite though. They were the best team I saw at the Millsaps regional last year and probably should have advanced, just a bit unlucky. They return a great squad and I'm sure they have a lot of new talent. Hopefully, we can be back to form this year giving our league two of the best teams in the South Region. Looking forward to the season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on October 04, 2008, 10:42:09 AM
ETBU carries a JV squad, which accounts for the large roster.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 06:46:15 PM
Quote from: cp1123 on October 04, 2008, 10:42:09 AM
ETBU carries a JV squad, which accounts for the large roster.
I have not seen a JV schedule on the ETBU home page.

How many games do they play, and whom do they play?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 05, 2008, 11:10:18 PM
The ETBU jv schedule is very fluid.  They have played southern (shreveport), Bossier Parish CC, Panola, and I think Letu before.   I don't believe they ever post the schedule or results of those games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 06, 2008, 12:05:17 PM
Wow. MC looks like a powerhouse again. It will be hard to beat a team with that much talent. How do they get so many good players to play there?

No offense but if I was a JuCo all-star I'm pretty sure I could at least go play for a school that would pay for my school (D1, D2, ect.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 06, 2008, 12:49:30 PM
I agree. Also, Bringing in so many JUCO's how do you ever get any Freshman to come?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 06, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on October 06, 2008, 12:05:17 PM
Wow. MC looks like a powerhouse again. It will be hard to beat a team with that much talent. How do they get so many good players to play there?

No offense but if I was a JuCo all-star I'm pretty sure I could at least go play for a school that would pay for my school (D1, D2, ect.)

Yes, MC looks incredible as always. But they lost 3 key players and only return 2 starters so it might take them a little time to get things going.

Not to mention if I was a 6'10 JUCO all-star I would think I could find somewhere to go an play for free instead of going somewhere and paying to play. Are there not any D2 schools in MS? Or is the JUCO talent level in MS not good enough for D1 or D2.

I also noticed that Kiki Christmas was not on the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 06, 2008, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 06, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Yes, MC looks incredible as always. But they lost 3 key players and only return 2 starters so it might take them a little time to get things going.

Not to mention if I was a 6'10 JUCO all-star I would think I could find somewhere to go an play for free instead of going somewhere and paying to play. Are there not any D2 schools in MS? Or is the JUCO talent level in MS not good enough for D1 or D2.

I also noticed that Kiki Christmas was not on the roster.

Kiki Christmas is not back this year. Tyler Winford, Prince Trotter and Jonathan Collins all graduated. We lost a lot so I'm not ready to say we'll be great, though I think we have as much depth of talent as we've had in a while. You just never know how chemistry will develop.

There are 24 players every year who play in the MS JUCO All-Star game, so there are a lot of players to choose from.  The only DII in MS is Delta State. There are several D1 schools but they take a lot of high school talent.

But you have to realize that the JUCO system in MS is a blessing and a curse. I think there are 15 junior colleges in MS, and it is hard to convince a high school kid to pay for four years of college when they can actually make money by going to a junior college on athletic scholarship.

But it does provide a very large talent pool every year to recruit from and limited options, there just aren't enough scholarships in the area for all of them. The JUCO system is a big hindrance to high school recruiting for us, but it does provide a lot of very good players who don't mind as much paying for two years as opposed to four.

We've had some very good high school players enter the program but usually a lot of them come from out of state.

Honestly, the success we've had has made it much easier to recruit. And the junior college kids are usually well connected to one another. When they see the great players going to MC from the previous class, it makes it easier to get past the negative stigma often times associated with DIII.

I think we look pretty good on paper right now, but we'll see how it pans out. Hopefully we'll have another good team and the ASC as a whole will have a good season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2008, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on October 06, 2008, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 06, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Yes, MC looks incredible as always. But they lost 3 key players and only return 2 starters so it might take them a little time to get things going.

Not to mention if I was a 6'10 JUCO all-star I would think I could find somewhere to go an play for free instead of going somewhere and paying to play. Are there not any D2 schools in MS? Or is the JUCO talent level in MS not good enough for D1 or D2.

I also noticed that Kiki Christmas was not on the roster.

Kiki Christmas is not back this year. Tyler Winford, Prince Trotter and Jonathan Collins all graduated. We lost a lot so I'm not ready to say we'll be great, though I think we have as much depth of talent as we've had in a while. You just never know how chemistry will develop.

There are 24 players every year who play in the MS JUCO All-Star game, so there are a lot of players to choose from.  The only DII in MS is Delta State. There are several D1 schools but they take a lot of high school talent.

But you have to realize that the JUCO system in MS is a blessing and a curse. I think there are 15 junior colleges in MS, and it is hard to convince a high school kid to pay for four years of college when they can actually make money by going to a junior college on athletic scholarship.

But it does provide a very large talent pool every year to recruit from and limited options, there just aren't enough scholarships in the area for all of them. The JUCO system is a big hindrance to high school recruiting for us, but it does provide a lot of very good players who don't mind as much paying for two years as opposed to four.

We've had some very good high school players enter the program but usually a lot of them come from out of state.


Honestly, the success we've had has made it much easier to recruit. And the junior college kids are usually well connected to one another. When they see the great players going to MC from the previous class, it makes it easier to get past the negative stigma often times associated with DIII.

I think we look pretty good on paper right now, but we'll see how it pans out. Hopefully we'll have another good team and the ASC as a whole will have a good season.

You guys just re-load.  Y'all have a good system.

I have seen very few freshmen in this conference who have made a difference. (Women are different!  Tarra Richardson and Symbri Tuttle from McM, Meia Daniels from HPU, Kathryn Otwell and Kendra Anderson from HSU, Lacey Kennedy at Miss College and  Ashley Edwards from Concordia-Austin to name several.)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 07, 2008, 10:44:40 AM
Great comment Mr. Brooks. That information helps me understand a lot better. Goodluck to you guys this year and if any of those JuCo All-Stars do not work out please send them down here to Ozarks haha.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on October 07, 2008, 04:32:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on October 06, 2008, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 06, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Yes, MC looks incredible as always. But they lost 3 key players and only return 2 starters so it might take them a little time to get things going.

Not to mention if I was a 6'10 JUCO all-star I would think I could find somewhere to go an play for free instead of going somewhere and paying to play. Are there not any D2 schools in MS? Or is the JUCO talent level in MS not good enough for D1 or D2.

I also noticed that Kiki Christmas was not on the roster.

Kiki Christmas is not back this year. Tyler Winford, Prince Trotter and Jonathan Collins all graduated. We lost a lot so I'm not ready to say we'll be great, though I think we have as much depth of talent as we've had in a while. You just never know how chemistry will develop.


Is Kiki playing somewhere else?  One of the best names in College Basketball!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 07, 2008, 04:35:58 PM
Its hard to imagine he would transfer out for his senior year, especially when you are already at a power house. Must of got into some trouble or somethin. Not sure though, seemed like a good kid on the court.
Thats for the post Chris, sounds like I need to establish a D3 school in MS that is not a private school! lol
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 07, 2008, 04:35:58 PM
Its hard to imagine he would transfer out for his senior year, especially when you are already at a power house. Must of got into some trouble or somethin. Not sure though, seemed like a good kid on the court.
Thats for the post Chris, sounds like I need to establish a D3 school in MS that is not a private school! lol


Then petition the ASC for membership so you will have a big advantage like UTT and UTD.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 08, 2008, 11:10:10 AM
Quote from: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 10:23:31 AM
Then petition the ASC for membership so you will have a big advantage like UTT and UTD.


haha.........dont forget SRSU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 08, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 07, 2008, 04:35:58 PM
Its hard to imagine he would transfer out for his senior year, especially when you are already at a power house. Must of got into some trouble or somethin. Not sure though, seemed like a good kid on the court.
Thats for the post Chris, sounds like I need to establish a D3 school in MS that is not a private school! lol


No, he didn't get into any trouble. Just not eligible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 08, 2008, 01:54:57 PM
Quote from: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 07, 2008, 04:35:58 PM
Its hard to imagine he would transfer out for his senior year, especially when you are already at a power house. Must of got into some trouble or somethin. Not sure though, seemed like a good kid on the court.
Thats for the post Chris, sounds like I need to establish a D3 school in MS that is not a private school! lol


Then petition the ASC for membership so you will have a big advantage like UTT and UTD.


That is an interesting point. To my understanding both of those schools do cost considerable less to normal students because they are public. On the other hand those schools are not afforded the luxuries to have "leadership scholarships" or "oppertunity scholarships" or other made up scholarships to get players into school. Also UTD and UTT have higher admissions standards...they can't just let any player into their school because he is good at sports like the private schools can.

When I was at Ozarks a buddy of mine played at UTD. He was paying full tutition over there and paying way more than players (notice I did not say students) from these other schools were paying.

Maybe that is just my opinion but coming from a college that was private I heard stories from other private school guys about the money they recieved and how they were only paying a thousand or so for school. The players that I coach in high school I advise to not go to those public schools because I understand the academic side of trying to get my students in there and I know that those schools have no money set aside for these scholarships that no one wants to admit happens at their own school. Anyway I apologize if I offend anyone but that is how I see it from a high school coaching standpoint of trying to get my kids into college for cheap and a good education.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on October 08, 2008, 01:54:57 PM
Quote from: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 07, 2008, 04:35:58 PM
Its hard to imagine he would transfer out for his senior year, especially when you are already at a power house. Must of got into some trouble or somethin. Not sure though, seemed like a good kid on the court.
Thats for the post Chris, sounds like I need to establish a D3 school in MS that is not a private school! lol


Then petition the ASC for membership so you will have a big advantage like UTT and UTD.


That is an interesting point. To my understanding both of those schools do cost considerable less to normal students because they are public. On the other hand those schools are not afforded the luxuries to have "leadership scholarships" or "oppertunity scholarships" or other made up scholarships to get players into school. Also UTD and UTT have higher admissions standards...they can't just let any player into their school because he is good at sports like the private schools can.

When I was at Ozarks a buddy of mine played at UTD. He was paying full tutition over there and paying way more than players (notice I did not say students) from these other schools were paying.

Maybe that is just my opinion but coming from a college that was private I heard stories from other private school guys about the money they recieved and how they were only paying a thousand or so for school. The players that I coach in high school I advise to not go to those public schools because I understand the academic side of trying to get my students in there and I know that those schools have no money set aside for these scholarships that no one wants to admit happens at their own school. Anyway I apologize if I offend anyone but that is how I see it from a high school coaching standpoint of trying to get my kids into college for cheap and a good education.



You are wrong on a lot of things in this post.  D3 sports financial aid is scrutinized pretty harshly.  One of the biggest reasons most schools go d3 is to get away from giving athletes money, therefore it wouldnt make sense for them to give money under the table.

As for private schools having the luxury of leadership scholarships.
Most privates are tuition driven schools while states schools recieve a fair amount of funding from the state.  While texas does give Equalization Grants to students to bridge the gap for kids who want to attend a private States schools have money they can give as well that privates cant(texas grant) Many d3 athletes come from meager family incomes which translates to a ton of state and federal funded aid, as well as institutional need based aid.  That same aid is available to state school kids.

I am pretty familiar with the workings of most schools in our conference and none of the privates have the luxury of paying somone to come to school.  Have students in the past been given money because a coach went to bat for them....probably.  I would imagine that those stories are few and far between.

As for admissions standards
Every school state or private can admit who they choose.  A lot of times they have limits to the amount of students below admissions standards they can let in.  While the state schools boast high admissions standards I would  say that every student on campus does not meet them.  The same can be said for every private school in our conference.


The advantage that those schools have can be found in several things.
Faith based schools such as ETBU limit a great deal of athletes because of the religious affiliation.  Not that every kid that ends up here is a ministry major but a good deal of them do not even look at us because of that.  I for one am ok with that, but I would be a foolish to think that a school such as UTT or UTD(leaving out sully because of location) dont appeal to a kid looking for a more "traditional"  college experience.

Many of the faith based schools also have an on campus requirement for housing while utt and utd do not.

Location utd and utt have pretty solid locations and are by far the two biggest schools in our conference.  Resources for academics are plentiful while many kids at the privates do well to get the things they need.

Bottom line is cost for a lot of kids and utt and utd are much cheaper.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 08, 2008, 03:39:53 PM
Im not going to say I agree with everything you said in your post but the "faith aspect" is very true. That is a great point to bring up. Are all the schools besides UTD, UTT, and SRSU "faith based"?

You mentioned "Have students in the past been given money because a coach went to bat for them....probably.  I would imagine that those stories are few and far between."

I am not going to name those indivduals or schools on this message board but you may be underestimating the number of kids that recieve certain aid that isnt based on need. I have also known kids in the past who were academically unable to meet the standards at those public schools and were forced to play for anothing team in the conference because of it. I know that is not illegal by any means and I am not saying it is wrong either that some schools have different standards, I just think it is too easy to criticize those public schools when half of it is not totally true.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2008, 03:57:33 PM
SRSU is a charter member times two!

They have been supporting this little group of schools since 1976.

The TIAA (NAIA) had Austin College, McMurry, SRSU, Tarleton and Trinity.

ASC History, circa 1997 (http://www.mcm.edu/asc/aschistory.htm).

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
ASCfan237

I wasnt saying that kids dont get into the privates that didnt get into the publics.  I was saying they both let in kids who are below the stated admissions standards.  I have several kids that I know are at the publics that could not get into a couple privates. 
The fact that those kids get into school probably has more to do with total enrollment of the school than the coach calling in a favor.

As for improper aid.  I will say it happens far less than people assume it does.   With all the players in the conference that are recruited by multiple schools in the conference and players that transfer in conference you would hear about it.  I will say again that it probably has happened but not like you think, or as often as you think.

Ralph
Sul Ross hurts itself I think by being in this conference.  The travel expenditures and trips required cant help with recruiting.  It also has to be tough to play after the long trips that they make.   I am not one of the people who thinks we should kick them out, I just wonder if they suffer more than they benefit.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 08, 2008, 05:31:34 PM
I think this is one of the most talked about issuses in D3 sports. I also find it interesting that a person who is associated with a private school is that one who brought it up! Everyone hears rumors about going to school for free or only paying a few thousand there. I know of recruits in the past who have told Dallas that they can play for cheaper elsewhere in the conference. Looking at some of the schools requirements, it looks like that most private schools have an easier time getting players in. They also offer larger academic scholarships for lower SAT/ACT scores than the standards here at UTD. Public universitys do give out state grants but they are not easy to get an few players are on full pale. Not all, but a lot of players who qualify for full pale are the same players who have problems passing. The UT system is very tough academically, especially after coming over from a JUCO. But I agree with ETBU where there are some players who wont even look at some of the private schools because of their religion. But I know theres kids out there who are just going to go where ever they can play an for the cheapest which just might be some of the private schools at times.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 08, 2008, 05:57:28 PM
Good points Pistol Pete.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on October 08, 2008, 07:40:01 PM
Quote from: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
Sul Ross hurts itself I think by being in this conference.  The travel expenditures and trips required cant help with recruiting.  It also has to be tough to play after the long trips that they make.   I am not one of the people who thinks we should kick them out, I just wonder if they suffer more than they benefit.

This makes me wonder, what D3 conference could Sul Ross join that would not require a lot of travel and such? Even NAIA and/or D2? Those are honest questions, but I'm guessing that most places in any conference they could think of joining wouldn't be much closer, if at all.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 08, 2008, 08:01:49 PM
This is a very interesting subject.  I know here in Louisiana we have the TOPPS program that gives students with higher test scores more state money that applies to even the private schools such as LC.  IT seems though we can't take advantage of it due to the fact many of the good basketball players here in Louisiana want to go to places other than LC.   :(
The only one that it has helped is with Josh Johnson.  I have ties to the university and graduated there and have been told he was actually considering ETBU at one point but got a better deal here at LC but I can't actually confirm that.  Imagine if he had gone there?!?!? Glad he didn't !!!
Then there is MC whom I have heard does go the extra mile to help get players in.  They are higher than most schools but I have been told from an inside source they will piece together lots of little scholarships here and there that add up.  I do know that according to their website they do pretty nice scholarships for transfer students, so when you put the two together they can come up with some nice "packages" together.  I know they have an advantage recruting those jucos out there but they have been so good for so long, the most consistent school in the conference.  After being around this league for a while it seems other than MC it really is just a crap shoot every year.  LeT was so bad for so long yet they have found a way.  Every school in the conference can find a way.  Even on SRSU found a way a few years ago, so why not LC or LeT or UO or ETBU.  If the school has coaches that work hard enough they will get players in some way some how. Just as some of you hav said, if a kid wants to play bad enough they will go where they are wanted regardless of cost in some cases.


GO WILDCATS
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 09, 2008, 09:48:53 AM
It makes it interesting but ill point out a few things at etbu to give you an example of how its not all about leadership money.  ETBU was 21,000 last year for an on campus student. A student earning the top academic scholarshp got 6,500 and the top leadership got 4,000.  Other than that etbu offers a 500 church matching scholarship.  So a kid without financial need can only get 11,000.   If you add in the state aid a very needy texas kid can get 4600 in pell and another 3700 in Texas Equalization grant.  It makes it much more attractive, but the key is only kids with need can get those funds.  So at etbu you are either needy or you pay. 

UTD is about 17k per year to live on campus.  10k if you life off campus.  Even without the need based aid a kid with no other money will be close to the same out of pocket cost as an etbu kid without need based aid since UTD gives them the option to live off campus while ETBU does not. 

It is possible for the privates to land great kids and they always seem to, but as you can see they pretty much have to be able to show need or it isnt even close.


ascfanman- Josh Johnson was very close to coming here.  I believe he was high school teammates with one of our womens players at the time.  ETBU also had a commitment from Dusty Evers but then he got an offer from Northwestern and ended up coming back to LETU.  It would have been a pretty good group, but I am sure its probably like that at any school.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 09, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
Quote from: etbualum on October 09, 2008, 09:48:53 AM
It makes it interesting but ill point out a few things at etbu to give you an example of how its not all about leadership money.  ETBU was 21,000 last year for an on campus student. A student earning the top academic scholarshp got 6,500 and the top leadership got 4,000.  Other than that etbu offers a 500 church matching scholarship.  So a kid without financial need can only get 11,000.   If you add in the state aid a very needy texas kid can get 4600 in pell and another 3700 in Texas Equalization grant.  It makes it much more attractive, but the key is only kids with need can get those funds.  So at etbu you are either needy or you pay. 

UTD is about 17k per year to live on campus.  10k if you life off campus.  Even without the need based aid a kid with no other money will be close to the same out of pocket cost as an etbu kid without need based aid since UTD gives them the option to live off campus while ETBU does not. 

It is possible for the privates to land great kids and they always seem to, but as you can see they pretty much have to be able to show need or it isnt even close.


ascfanman- Josh Johnson was very close to coming here.  I believe he was high school teammates with one of our womens players at the time.  ETBU also had a commitment from Dusty Evers but then he got an offer from Northwestern and ended up coming back to LETU.  It would have been a pretty good group, but I am sure its probably like that at any school.

Based of off the schools websites, to be admitted into UT Dallas you need to have a 1200 on the SAT and a 26 on the ACT, just to be admitted. UT Tyler's website says a 1410 on the SAT or a 20 on the ACT, just to be admitted. No scholarships promised, thats just getting into the school. ETBUs standards are a 18 on the ACT or a 860 on the SAT or graduate in the top 40% of your high school class, at UTD and UTT it is top 15%. With those same grades the student would recieve a $5,500 scholarship based off of ETBUs website. Not to mention the leadership scholarship on top of it. And if he qualifies for a pale hes looking at about $7,000 a year. So going by the websites it is by far easier to get admitted into ETBU and easier to get money to bring the bill down to even or lower than the public universitys.

About 10K if you live off campus at UTD, and you could get the same aid which would bring it down to around $7,000 just like ETBU. BUT just because you live off campus does not mean you live for free. Once you pay all your bills plus you have pay for all your food because you dont get a meal plan on your schools bill, thats got to put the total back up to atleast 10K for the year if not more. Which makes it seem that it is cheaper to go to ETBU.

With all this said, I believe saying that UTD and UTT have an unfair advantage over the private schools has no truth at all!

Ive heard Dusty Evers was going to UTT but could not get admitted.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2008, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on October 08, 2008, 07:40:01 PM
Quote from: etbualum on October 08, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
Ralph
Sul Ross hurts itself I think by being in this conference.  The travel expenditures and trips required cant help with recruiting.  It also has to be tough to play after the long trips that they make.   I am not one of the people who thinks we should kick them out, I just wonder if they suffer more than they benefit.

This makes me wonder, what D3 conference could Sul Ross join that would not require a lot of travel and such? Even NAIA and/or D2? Those are honest questions, but I'm guessing that most places in any conference they could think of joining wouldn't be much closer, if at all.
The ASC is the best fit for SRSU.  There are long time rivalries in west Texas with SRSU.

I don't think that SRSU will return to the "D2" level where they were before the TIAA/ASC.  SRSU came from the Lone Star Conference.

The interesting thing about the ASC is the strength of the programs in the West.

Soccer --  Men 7; Women 7
Volleyball -- 8 teams
Cross Country  Men 5; Women 6 teams
Football -- 6 teams
Basketball -- Men 8; Women 8
Baseball - 8 teams
Softball - 7 teams
Tennis - Men 8; Women 8
Golf - Men 6; Women 6
Track -  Men 4 (McM, HSU, SRSU, maybe HPU) Women 5 (McM, HSU, maybe HPU, SRSU, TLU)

The West fulfills the conference requirements (of sponsoring 5 sports including 3 team sports in 3 seasons by itself.  There must be a minimum of 7 teams for an AQ and 4 teams to conduct a championship.)

As for the East

Football -- 3 teams  (could affiliate with the West)
Volleyball -- 5 teams
Cross Country --   Men 6; Women 6 teams
Soccer -- Men  7; Women  7
Basketball -- Men 7; Women 7
Baseball --  7 teams
Softball -- 7 teams
Tennis -- Men 6; Women 6
Golf --  Men 5; Women 3
Track -- 2 men and 2 women

I wish we could find some more good candidates on the East, but I certainly don't know where they are!  :-\

The East and West could split into two conference for the sake of extra bids, but we would throw some teams into Pool B, clearly undesirable.

By staying together we have Pool A bids in Men's and Women's Golf and Cross Country and Volleyball and Football.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 09, 2008, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 09, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
Based of off the schools websites, to be admitted into UT Dallas you need to have a 1200 on the SAT and a 26 on the ACT, just to be admitted. UT Tyler's website says a 1410 on the SAT or a 20 on the ACT, just to be admitted. No scholarships promised, thats just getting into the school.

Let's just make sure this is clear.  Based off what the websites say you are ASSURED of getting into the school if you make those scores.  That means you are guaranteed admission based off your scores.  You can make less than those scores and still get in, you just have to get approval outside of your scores to be admitted.

Did I say scores enough? :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2008, 05:27:20 PM
Quote from: dballa on October 09, 2008, 04:54:01 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 09, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
Based of off the schools websites, to be admitted into UT Dallas you need to have a 1200 on the SAT and a 26 on the ACT*, just to be admitted. UT Tyler's website says a 1410 on the SAT or a 20 on the ACT**, just to be admitted. No scholarships promised, thats just getting into the school.

Let's just make sure this is clear.  Based off what the websites say you are ASSURED of getting into the school if you make those scores.  That means you are guaranteed admission based off your scores.  You can make less than those scores and still get in, you just have to get approval outside of your scores to be admitted.

Did I say scores enough? :)

* seems like this is the two-part SAT

** seems like this is the three-part SAT.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 09, 2008, 05:37:44 PM
It would be wonderful to find another team in the East. Who else would be a good candidate though?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on October 09, 2008, 06:34:25 PM
My daughter is paying basically dollar for dollar what she would have paid to go to Howard Payne (after their standard $ for grades/scores).  This is based on the fact she is at UT Dallas without any aid.  Both came to about $14.5k per year.  A point higher on ACT and she could have gone to Howard Payne cheaper than UT Dallas by about $2500.  At UT Tyler tuition is cheaper by far than Dallas and is probably your cheapest in the conference (at least in Texas).  Recruiting as far as money for the conference seems fairly level playing field.  Now grade requirements seem like a whole different story.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2008, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on October 09, 2008, 05:37:44 PM
It would be wonderful to find another team in the East. Who else would be a good candidate though?
Among the NAIA schools that are "within" the East that have 5 men's and 5 women's sports, we find

Bacone OK  including football
Northwood TX (Cedar Hill) 5 and 5 but needs men's and women's basketball.
Belhaven MS   including football
Lyon College in Batesville AR.

That's all that I can find.

In the "West" we find University of the Southwest in Hobbs NM has 7 & 7.  Huston-Tillotson in Austin has 6 & 6.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on October 10, 2008, 09:28:51 AM
Guys the conference is large enough as it is, too large in many people's opinion.  We don't need to go adding additional schools.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 10, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
Hey does anyone want to start analyzing the schedule strength of the different teams....break down who has the easiest schedule based on which crossover teams a team plays on the road vs at home.

Ozarks crossover schedule looks like this:

At concordia
At MHB
At HS
At McM

At home against:
HP
SRSU
Schriener
Texas Lutheran

The way I see it it looks like Ozarks has a pretty tough schedule. They play 3 out of the 4 teams that made the tourny from the West last year on the road (HS,MHB,Concordia). They play the easier teams at home which in my mind is a disadvantage. I would rather play all the tough teams at home and the easy ones on the road but maybe that is just me. WHat do you guys think?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 10, 2008, 10:34:55 AM
CP

I think he was trying to help find the east a new team so that the conference can split into two AQs for the playoffs.  The bad thing about that would be the two would always end up playing each other or trinity in the first round.  

Im glad this board seems to be taking off.   May even be better than the football board.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 10, 2008, 11:35:00 AM
Looking at UTD's crossover schedule I noticed that they have the same as Ozarks.

LeT goes to HP, SRSU, Schreiner, TLU.
LeT at home has MHB, Concordia, McM,HS

ETBU has the same schedule as LeT.
At HP, SRSU, Schreiner, TLU.
Home against MHB, Concordia, McM,HS.

LC looks like
On the road against McM, HS, SRSU, HP
At home against Schreiner, TLU, MHB, Concordia

MC is the same as LC
On the road against McM, HS, SRSU, HP
At home against Schreiner, TLU, MHB, Concordia

UTT
Goes away for TLU, Schriener, Concordia, MHB
Has home games against HS,MCM,HP,SRSU


In my opinion on the East LeT and ETBU has the easiest crossover schedule. There games on the road are against the softer teams and then at home they play all the high powered teams. MC and and LC both get to host MHB and Concordia which will make their schedules easier but go on the road for HPU, HS, and McM.

Ozarks and UTD look like they have the toughest schedule, followed by UTT that has to go away to play Concordia and MHB.

Toughest Schedule
1. UTD and Ozarks
2. UTT
3. MC and LC
4. ETBU and LeT

Let me know if you guys disagree with my reasonings or with any of the projections. Someone please analyze fom the West's point of you too if you would like. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 10, 2008, 12:02:03 PM
Hey ETBUALUM how is Courtney Waters looking in offseason. I heard he was a very good player. Just wondering if you had heard or seen anything...thanks
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2008, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: cp1123 on October 10, 2008, 09:28:51 AM
Guys the conference is large enough as it is, too large in many people's opinion.  We don't need to go adding additional schools.

Quote from: etbualum on October 10, 2008, 10:34:55 AM
CP

I think he was trying to help find the east a new team so that the conference can split into two AQs for the playoffs.  The bad thing about that would be the two would always end up playing each other or trinity in the first round.  


Right!  It would almost double the number of playoff bids that we get! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 10, 2008, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on October 10, 2008, 11:35:00 AM
Looking at UTD's crossover schedule I noticed that they have the same as Ozarks.

LeT goes to HP, SRSU, Schreiner, TLU.
LeT at home has MHB, Concordia, McM,HS

ETBU has the same schedule as LeT.
At HP, SRSU, Schreiner, TLU.
Home against MHB, Concordia, McM,HS.

LC looks like
On the road against McM, HS, SRSU, HP
At home against Schreiner, TLU, MHB, Concordia

MC is the same as LC
On the road against McM, HS, SRSU, HP
At home against Schreiner, TLU, MHB, Concordia

UTT
Goes away for TLU, Schriener, Concordia, MHB
Has home games against HS,MCM,HP,SRSU


In my opinion on the East LeT and ETBU has the easiest crossover schedule. There games on the road are against the softer teams and then at home they play all the high powered teams. MC and and LC both get to host MHB and Concordia which will make their schedules easier but go on the road for HPU, HS, and McM.

Ozarks and UTD look like they have the toughest schedule, followed by UTT that has to go away to play Concordia and MHB.

Toughest Schedule
1. UTD and Ozarks
2. UTT
3. MC and LC
4. ETBU and LeT

Let me know if you guys disagree with my reasonings or with any of the projections. Someone please analyze fom the West's point of you too if you would like. 

Im not sure how the East did overall against the West last year, but I do remember the West winning all the first round games in the Conference. There has not been much talk from the West but I do not imagine it could be as strong as the East this year. With that being said I think the only real disadvantage would be playing UMHB and Concordia on the road. I think all of the other teams in the West can be beat at home by 6 of the 7 teams from the East without any problems. I know it wont happen like that, but I believe it could. Another disadvantage is traveling to SRSU but luckily they are not as good as they were in the past. Having TLU and SU on the road always helps because those are usually two easy wins.

I agree with your rankings because UTD, OU, and UTT all go to UMHB and Concordia while ETBU and LC have the easiest because they have TLU, SU, SRSU and HPU on the road. All four should be towards the bottom of the West
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 10, 2008, 05:04:27 PM
Say what you want about SRS and HPU being "easy" games, there is no such thing as an easy game in this conference anymore.  I can't agree with any of that.  To go back to earlier, I do believe the state schools still have an advantage over private schools.  I know you can argue money and that is all relevant, but no one has mentioned the fact that most state schools have somewhat easier requirements for transfers.  I think this is where Tyler will have an advantage.  Knowing Bizot, he is going to start really going after transfers.  The state schools also have the name going for them. It seems like a small factor but would you rather go to Letourneau, East Texas Baptist, Texas Lutheran or The University of Texas at Tyler or Dallas?  Name recognition helps I believe, not much, but a little.  Then you throw in the no curfue, no chapel, no requirement to live on campus.  I know many of the schools in the conference have those types of rules and it can turn players away, I know it did when I was at LC.  We also had a visitation policy that was rediculous and students don't want to be held in prison, which was a term I heard many times.  I know money usually is the deciding factor but quality of life and other things count too, as well as location.  SRSU is by far the cheapest school in the conference and has many advantages, but they are in a BAD location.  With that said, I go back to my earlier comment, its all about selling your school to the recruit, and it can be done.


GO LC!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 10, 2008, 05:34:53 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 10, 2008, 05:04:27 PM
Say what you want about SRS and HPU being "easy" games, there is no such thing as an easy game in this conference anymore.  I can't agree with any of that. 

All i meant is that they are easier than playing UMHB and Concordia. They might be about equal with HSU and McM. But I see where your coming from because LC lost to both last year at LC! Anything can happen!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on October 10, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on October 10, 2008, 05:34:53 PM
All i meant is that they are easier than playing UMHB and Concordia. They might be about equal with HSU and McM. But I see where your coming from because LC lost to both last year at LC! Anything can happen!

It feels good to see CTX spoken of in this way. It wasn't too long ago we were coming in toward the bottom of the conference. Bonewitz has done an excellent job of building the program, IMO, and I hope he sticks around a while.

I think (and this is just going by my gut) that the key for CTX this year will be finding a good point guard. Michael Moore is done, McDonald can't play the point effectively, and Michael Mann is not a good starter IMO (honestly, I think he's a situational backup, but maybe that's just me). I don't know who they have that's new that could step in, but I hope they have one or the offense could take a step back from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 13, 2008, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on October 10, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
I think (and this is just going by my gut) that the key for CTX this year will be finding a good point guard. Michael Moore is done, McDonald can't play the point effectively, and Michael Mann is not a good starter IMO (honestly, I think he's a situational backup, but maybe that's just me). I don't know who they have that's new that could step in, but I hope they have one or the offense could take a step back from last year.

Playing a little defense might also help!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 14, 2008, 12:34:33 PM
big day tomorrow! cant believe its already here!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 15, 2008, 02:02:45 PM
Preseason Polls are out!  http://www.ascsports.org/News/mbball/2008/10/15/ASC_MBB_PRESEASON0809.asp?path=mbball

WEST
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (18)
183 26-4, 19-2 ASC

2. Concordia Texas (3)
168 19-9, 14-7 ASC

3. Howard Payne (1)
127 14-13, 11-10 ASC

4. McMurry 111 12-13, 9-12 ASC

5. Hardin-Simmons (1)
107 15-12, 13-8 ASC

6. Sul Ross State (1)
82 8-17, 7-14 ASC

7. Texas Lutheran 48 3-22, 3-18 ASC

8. Schreiner 38 5-20, 5-16 ASC

EAST
1. Mississippi College (19) 145 19-6, 16-4 ASC

2. Texas-Dallas (1)
109 17-9, 13-7 ASC

3. Texas-Tyler (1)
103 14-12, 13-7 ASC

4. East Texas Baptist 79 9-17, 9-11 ASC

5. LeTourneau 74 12-13, 9-11 ASC

6. Louisiana College 46 9-15, 8-12 ASC

7. Ozarks 32 8-17, 5-15 ASC

WEST POY
Tilmon Gaddy, W, Sr., Mary Hardin-Baylor

EAST POY
Josh Johnson, F, Sr., Louisiana College

Basically the same that I predicted, just switch SRSU and HSU in 5th and 6th in the West and switch LeT and ETBU in 4th and 5th in the East. Tilmon Gaddy is the obvious choice for POY for the West but I dont think Johnson should get POY if his teams finishes in 6th in the East.

Im just guessing that HSU and SRSU voted for themselves to win the division? Thats interesting!! Practices started today!!! Cant wait till we start having some games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on October 15, 2008, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on October 10, 2008, 12:02:03 PM
Hey ETBUALUM how is Courtney Waters looking in offseason. I heard he was a very good player. Just wondering if you had heard or seen anything...thanks

He is one of the guys that looks pretty good so far.  I think he will be fighting for a starting spot.  We were hurt last year by inconsistent play and small size at the guards and he should help a lot.  I think he can play the 1 or the 2 if needed.  He played some at PJC so maybe he will play like a jr.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on October 16, 2008, 10:58:12 AM
Looks like I am behind in my posts, but I figured I'd chime in a little bit on the topic of admissions/financial aid/etc.

First off, I'd like to consider that I know what I am talking about b/c I've been an Assistant Director of Admissions for a University and have had the privalage of knowing all the facts and figures of every University in the state of Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma (doesn't really apply to us).  I have great relationships with employees over @ LETU, ETBU, HSU, UMHB and McM and truly understand the ins and outs of what it takes to get into the Universities @ each of thoes fine institutions.

First from an admissions side - YES, it is typically easier to get into these private Universities for one reason - THEY ARE ALL TUITION DRIVEN.  Private Universities live and die on enrollment.  With the economy so poor as it is today, Universities will often times accept students who do not meet "the requirements" on a provesional basis that limits them to how many hours they enroll in, require weekly meetings with advisors, study hall, etc.  So does admissions often times stretch the limits for a student at a private University versuses a public, absolutley.  And don't just think they are doing it for student-athletes.  They go to bat for all students who show interest in their institution.

Second - While all these private Universities are higher in costs, most of them do have insitutional scholarship opportunities to make college affordable, except LETU.  Being that LETU is interdenominational, or non denominational, there is no backing from and Church, unlike most of the private Universities in the conference.  There are also NO LEADERSHIP SCHOLARSHIPS at LETU.  And don't get us started on their transfer scholarships (max of $3,000 per year).  While LETU does offer a chancellor's scholarship (from the website, I assume that is a minority scholarship that emphasises grades and community service) it maxs out at $5,000/year.  Total cost to attend LETU is about $27,000/year.  Most students are having to come up with a lot of money to attend. 

All this being said, and obvious that I am an LETU alum, I am really impressed on what Coach Davis has done recruiting wise with his team.  He's brought in quality players who excel in the classroom and have bought into him and his system.  They place value in the University as an academic insitiution and realize that after four years, it's done.  I am not taking anything away from other universities or players, I just want people to realize that what Bob Davis has done at LETU is nothing short of a miracle. 

And trust me, there is no money under the table or attempting to piece scholarships together to make this work. 

Just my thoughts!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 20, 2008, 06:44:38 PM
Why is everyone keeping quiet now that the season has started? Ive heard things are looking good here at Dallas!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 21, 2008, 10:17:35 AM
Heard things have been smooth out here for the Eagles. Players are coming into practice in good shape and ready to contribute.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 21, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
This might have already been asked, but what is it looking like this year for UMHB?  I know they've got quite a few good players returning, so I'm assuming they should be very solid.  Who is going to step in and fill up the paint this year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2008, 05:00:34 PM
Welcome aboard Walter17.

Which team(s) do you follow?

Glad to have new posters!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 21, 2008, 05:13:50 PM
I'm actually a Trinity fan myself.  But I'm somewhat familiar with the ASC and its teams.  I had the opportunity to see Trinity play up at UMHB a couple of years ago and noticed they were back on the schedule this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 21, 2008, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on October 21, 2008, 03:12:26 PM
This might have already been asked, but what is it looking like this year for UMHB?  I know they've got quite a few good players returning, so I'm assuming they should be very solid.  Who is going to step in and fill up the paint this year?

UMHB should be very strong again this year and I believe they will win the ASC. They have Ivey returning from last year in the post. He did not play too much but he has very good size for this conference so I'm sure he will compete for some minutes. Havent heard what kinda players they got in this year. They seem set at the guards with Caskey, Lytle and Gaddy, which is by far the best guard combo in the conference. They also have Wagner, who would start at most other schools. Looking at the stats from last year they also have Ray, listed as 6'5" so he might be an option at the 4 if the need him. Basically, the should be pretty good, especiall at the guard spots!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 23, 2008, 02:35:44 PM
well, I guess the preseason top 25 poll helped answer my question as to how good UMHB might be this year, haha!  I'm looking forward to them coming down to San Antonio November 25.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 24, 2008, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on October 23, 2008, 02:35:44 PM
well, I guess the preseason top 25 poll helped answer my question as to how good UMHB might be this year, haha!  I'm looking forward to them coming down to San Antonio November 25.

I was shocked when I seen UMHB was ranked #10. I think that may be a little high.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 24, 2008, 01:54:37 PM
Walter,

How is Trinity looking this upcoming season? #10 is pretty impressive for UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on October 24, 2008, 05:46:20 PM
Trinity will be solid based on their experience.  They have had the same core of guys (now seniors) playing a majority of their minutes over the past two seasons and have been right in the mix each season.  Like most Trinity teams, it is going to be a fairly deep group, with somewhere between 9-12 guys getting minutes every game.  BJ Moon and Charles Houston have had solid careers thus far and I expect them to step up in their senior leadership roles to help make a run at the SCAC title this season.  Obviously, as stated earlier, I'm very excited about the Nov. 25 game against UMHB!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fcnews on October 26, 2008, 01:06:54 PM
Congrats on UMHB's pre-season ranking. Fontbonne would like a rematch in this years NCAA's. Perferably the second or third round :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 26, 2008, 06:16:06 PM
These preseason ranking don't mean anything, especially at this level.  Look at the top 25 teams, it looks as if most of it is based on records from the last season.  There is no national attention and no one knows anything about recruits and so forth.  It is the same for the conference preseason awards.  Josh here at LC was named preseason poy but no one knows what new transfer or recruit could take that award.  UMHB is somewhat deserving of the accolades but they lost some key players from last year and to be #10 I think is a little high.  Especially after finishing the year at #17 and losing key players.  Not to say they did not bring good new players in but how do they know on a national scale?  Lets see how the season plays out.    Good luck to everyone but look out for those LC Wildcats! Congrat on your first "home" win in football!!!!


GO CATS
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 28, 2008, 10:03:40 AM
I agree. It is hard for teams to be evaluated and ranked when no one knows any of the recruits. It isnt like ESPN has a press release on the top 25 D3 recruiting classes. But MHB will be solid again and MC is always good, so it should be an interesting year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on October 28, 2008, 10:04:24 AM
Does anyone have an updates on scrimages...what teams the ASC teams played and how they faired against them?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 31, 2008, 01:21:14 PM
Just an example to prove my point.  I got to looking at the top 25 for men and women. On the women's side, McMurry was picke third in the division behind HPU and HSU.  McMurry is ranked 20th in the country while HSU is not ranked?!?!?! Polls mean nothing!  Remeber that all LC players!!!


Go Wildcats!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 31, 2008, 04:24:35 PM
The conference picks are probably a little more accurate becuase the coaches of the ASC know what teams have coming back. It's just a difference of opinions. LC was picked at the bottom because the East is going be to very tough this year. I'd say best case scenario for your boys is.....4th! An thats gettin lucky on a few games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 02, 2008, 03:14:28 PM
Mississipp College scrimmaged Millsaps last week. The Majors are 27th in the D3hoops Preseason Top 25, second among teams receiving votes.

I only had a chance to see the first ten minutes but the teams played three halves. These scores aren't official, but I was told MS College won 30's to about 20 in the first half, and then won the second half by a score of about 50 to something in the 20's. Both teams played their top 10-15 guys in the first couple halves, and played everyone in the third half.

Coach Wise does a great job at Millsaps, but they are definitely rebuilding after losing most everyone from last year. It was the season's first scrimmage and the teams played so many guys it's impossible to get a good read, but I would think Millsaps will be somewhere in the middle of the SCAC this year.

I think people will be impressed with the size and athleticism of the MS College team this year, especially the frontline.  The Choctaws turned the ball over 7 times in their first 10 possessions when I was there, but you could see their potential. There's no way to know how good they will be with so many new players, but it looked promising.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on November 03, 2008, 09:15:38 AM
I wouldnt of expected anything different with the Choctaws. Always good, no matter how many players they lose.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 05, 2008, 03:34:38 PM
ETBU lost by 5 in a scrimmage to Southern Arkansas.  Wasnt there but I heard we didnt shoot the ball well.  A couple big minute guys in rotation didnt make the trip for whatever reason.  We will know more after saturdays game with Houston Baptist.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 06, 2008, 09:48:08 AM
MC back on top again huh..... ETBUalum, any word on why they didnt play or which players they were. I heard that LeT beat up on Jacksonville Junior College pretty good last week even without Deowes Smith. Can anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 06, 2008, 01:36:34 PM
I have seen Southern Arkansas play a time or two in the past, they are not that good, even for a a D2 team.  I don't know how they are this year but traditionally they are bad, but kudos to the kitty kats on playing them close.  What is jacksonville? They are a juco, right? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 06, 2008, 01:37:36 PM
Houston Baptist still NAIA?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on November 06, 2008, 02:26:24 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on November 06, 2008, 09:48:08 AM
I heard that LeT beat up on Jacksonville Junior College pretty good last week even without Deowes Smith. Can anyone confirm that?

Jacksonville Junior College........yes thats a JuCo! lol Even if Southern Arkansas has been bad in the past, their players are on scholarships so props to ETBU. And to answer your other question Houston Baptist is NCAA D-1, they play in the Great West.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on November 06, 2008, 08:18:56 PM
UMHB at UTSA tonight for an exhibition.  Live streaming video at www.goutsa.com (http://www.goutsa.com). 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 06, 2008, 08:19:23 PM
Duh on Jacksonville, I did not know that about Houston Baptist.  They were an NAIA power, why did they do that? How long ago did they change to D1?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2008, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on November 06, 2008, 08:19:23 PM
Duh on Jacksonville, I did not know that about Houston Baptist.  They were an NAIA power, why did they do that? How long ago did they change to D1?
They are in the transition now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on November 06, 2008, 08:51:03 PM
UMHB up 33-32 at halftime at UTSA.  Pretty sloppy on both sides which is guess is to be expected.  I wish all ASC schools would do the live video streaming...it is really nice to be able to watch away games!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on November 06, 2008, 10:05:28 PM
UTSA controlled the second half and won it by 14.  78-64.  Over 70 free throws shot and more than 50 turnovers combined in the game.  I guess that's why they play exhibitions!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 07, 2008, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on November 06, 2008, 09:48:08 AM
I heard that LeT beat up on Jacksonville Junior College pretty good last week even without Deowes Smith. Can anyone confirm that?

Yea - LETU crushed Jacksonville.  Their right in that Jacksonville wasn't very good.  It was a typical scrimmage in that they played 3 halves with a running clock.  Zac Majors and Dusty Evers looked very good in the game.  Smith didn't play b/c of a sore ankle.  Should play in season opener. 

HBU has been a D1 school for only one year.  They were drilled in all their legitimate D1 games last year.  They've been planning to make that transition for a few years for two reasons - 1)NAIA is a very week division.  A good D3 team can handle most, if not all, NAIA teams.  2)They were in a very poor conference that they beat up on year in and year out. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 07, 2008, 05:20:22 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on November 06, 2008, 09:48:08 AM
MC back on top again huh..... ETBUalum, any word on why they didnt play or which players they were. I heard that LeT beat up on Jacksonville Junior College pretty good last week even without Deowes Smith. Can anyone confirm that?


Minor injuries to the ETBU players.  I am pretty sure they will be in uniform tomorrow.  HBU while not being a very good d1 will still throw 5 full scholarship players on the floor at all times.  It should be a good test for ETBU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 09, 2008, 12:44:34 AM
How did ETBU fair against those scholarship athletes? Is LeT playing any D1s before conference?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 09, 2008, 10:42:35 AM
etbu lost 104 to 88

I didnt go to the game but we shot the ball well. Looks like we didnt defend very well.

http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/stats/BKB0809/exh.htm (http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/stats/BKB0809/exh.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 09, 2008, 12:21:23 PM
I don't know much about HBU, I only remember the NAIA days, so I can't say much about the score or game, but I do see lots of guys getting good minutes and being somewhat productive looks like.  ETBWHOalum, have you seen them much? Do you think they are deep? I saw the kid from Anoco scored 16 who transfered from Nichols.  There is some basketball royalty from that area.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 10, 2008, 10:43:32 AM
I have watched them practice a bit and watched them play pick up games. They will be pretty deep, especially at guard.  Last year we had maybe 5 guys that should not have been playing college basketball.  We dont have anyone on our team like that this year.  Our biggest weakness will be down low.  Chambers is the closest thing to a traditional post player we have.  He had 4 blocks in 20 minutes, but only 3 rebounds.  While he is long and gained weight over the off season, he is still under 200lbs.  I think our guards will rebound well but we may have to try to force teams to go small against us.  We can put a pretty tall team on the floor, but we do not have any Habeeb Kareem body types. 


Turnipseed is a kid they tried to get last year, but he went to Nichols and played a little bit.  He is a pretty solid kid, so we are happy to have him at ETBU. 

Ill catch the first game action this weekend against Jarvis Christian.  They are 2-0 but have played a very bad team and beat them by 40 the first game and then 50 the second. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 10, 2008, 03:47:24 PM
For those interested

Checked in on Cedric Isom today. He is playing his second season for Thor AK of the Icelandic Exp League.  He was Guard of the year last year although his team lost in the first round of the playoffs.
Thru 6 games he is averaging 30.8ppg 8.3rpb 7.8apg.
His last game was a triple double 32pts 11rbs 13 assists.  Had a 47pt 9rb 8assist game earlier in the year.  His team is 3-3. 


Tried to check on the UMHB guy but they have yet to start their season. Fjolnir was relegated to a lower division this season.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: noscholy on November 10, 2008, 06:29:21 PM
Bearkat - I do not agree with your assesment of NAIA.  A good D3 team cannot beat most NAIA schools.  For instance, LSUS would be a very tough game for anyone in our conference and they have can hardly get past the sweet 16.

Also, HBU did not BEAT UP ON the Red River Conference.  Undoubtedly they were a perenniel contender, but Texas Wesleyan just recently won the National Championship and several other teams give them fits every time they play.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: noscholy on November 10, 2008, 06:33:58 PM
Let me amend that.  A good D3 can certainly not beat ALL NAIA's.  The best D3 teams in the country may well beat every NAIA but I'm not so sure. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 10, 2008, 06:55:46 PM
Here are the results for D3 vs the world, including NAIA-1 (such as LSU-S) and NAIA-2, of which we have none in this part of the country.

2007-08; Post # 1003 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1167.1003)

2006-07; Post # 706 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1167.706)

2005-06;  Post # 386 (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=1167.386)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on November 10, 2008, 10:41:15 PM
85-81, MC win at division one Alcorn State( who beat lousiana by 21 earlier this week). I would expect the choctaws to be very good again this year.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
Wow, I'm sure this has been discussed, and since I am a SCAC supporter, but how is MC so good every year.  Is it really because they get a bunch of solid junior college players every year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 11, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: hoopstar on November 10, 2008, 10:41:15 PM
85-81, MC win at division one Alcorn State( who beat lousiana by 21 earlier this week). I would expect the choctaws to be very good again this year.  ;D

Thats not a good sign for everyone else.

Quote from: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
Wow, I'm sure this has been discussed, and since I am a SCAC supporter, but how is MC so good every year.  Is it really because they get a bunch of solid junior college players every year?


They have a great coach, a school that really gets behind basketball, and they win a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2008, 03:18:30 PM
Quote from: etbualum on November 11, 2008, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: hoopstar on November 10, 2008, 10:41:15 PM
85-81, MC win at division one Alcorn State( who beat lousiana by 21 earlier this week). I would expect the choctaws to be very good again this year.  ;D

Thats not a good sign for everyone else.

Quote from: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
Wow, I'm sure this has been discussed, and since I am a SCAC supporter, but how is MC so good every year.  Is it really because they get a bunch of solid junior college players every year?


They have a great coach, a school that really gets behind basketball, and they win a lot.
And they know how to use the Mississippi JUCO system.  There is a strong tradition among the JUCOs and the Choctaws.  The JUCO coaches can trust Coaches Jones and Loftin to treat their players right!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 03:39:37 PM
A solid "in" with the JUCO's is definitely a nice luxury to have year in and year out.  Do Mississippi JUCO's not place that many kids in DI or DII programs?  If it is so easy to accept junior college transfers, I wouldn't imagine MC's academic standards aren't the most difficult to recruit with.  I think that would be a clear advantage on today's recruiting scene.  Private schools such as Trinity and Southwestern (again, I'm more familiar with SCAC) have taken large hits due to increases in tuition, decreases in financial aid, and the obvious economic decline, while maintaining their academic standards. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2008, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 03:39:37 PM
A solid "in" with the JUCO's is definitely a nice luxury to have year in and year out.  Do Mississippi JUCO's not place that many kids in DI or DII programs?  If it is so easy to accept junior college transfers, I wouldn't imagine MC's academic standards aren't the most difficult to recruit with.  I think that would be a clear advantage on today's recruiting scene.  Private schools such as Trinity and Southwestern (again, I'm more familiar with SCAC) have taken large hits due to increases in tuition, decreases in financial aid, and the obvious economic decline, while maintaining their academic standards. 
The economic downturn hits everyone.

Most institutions endowment portfolios are similar in many ways. Even Harvard is having to budget (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081111/D94CEJ7G0.html).

The losses cut across the board.  Harvard/ Trinity/ Mississippi College, it's all the same, IMHO.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 08:26:24 PM
I agree with you in the fact that economic downturn hurts everyone, Ralph.  However, I don't really see how Harvard's basketball recruiting is affected in the same way as schools such as Trinity or other lesser known private institutions.  Even in the article on Harvard you attached, it states: "The school intends to implement initiatives to make education affordable to students from low- and middle-income families, and will ensure that those with income below $60,000 will pay nothing to send children to Harvard College. Those earning up to $180,000 can expect to pay no more than about 10 percent of their income."  I don't think this economic downturn hurts Harvard's recruiting at all.  It may hurt for players they want whose families make more than $200K.

Smaller private institutions are the ones that take the larger hit because they are so tuition driven.  When they begin making cuts, it usually deals with cutting financial aid to students and targeting a different type of student (i.e. richer families who can afford $40K a year for college). 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
Good evening Walter.

I think that Trinity comes into focus when the national player that they are seeking decides to stay closer to home, if the player cannot get into or affrod a WashStL or NYU or Rochester.

Southwestern's endowment was over $300M last year.  McMurry' was only $60+M and those schools are not that different in size.  I think that a Hendrix or an AC may be in more trouble than Southwestern ColColl or Trinity.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 11, 2008, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: Walter17 on November 11, 2008, 03:39:37 PM
A solid "in" with the JUCO's is definitely a nice luxury to have year in and year out.  Do Mississippi JUCO's not place that many kids in DI or DII programs?  If it is so easy to accept junior college transfers, I wouldn't imagine MC's academic standards aren't the most difficult to recruit with.  I think that would be a clear advantage on today's recruiting scene.  Private schools such as Trinity and Southwestern (again, I'm more familiar with SCAC) have taken large hits due to increases in tuition, decreases in financial aid, and the obvious economic decline, while maintaining their academic standards. 

Walter,
 The MS junior colleges have a very good athletic tradition and produce a lot of major talent every year for Division I, II and III. In football, MS Gulf Coast won the NJCAA National Championship last year and 4 of the top 13 teams in the latest NJCAA Poll were from MS. Basketball also usually puts out a lot of talent.

 The MS junior college system is unique because there are 13 schools in a relatively small state. They attract a lot of good students from the state, particularly lower income, because of the great value they provide, and not just to students who can't get in anywhere else. They are also attractive to student-athletes who are hopeful of athletic scholarships but get passed over. They can earn free college credits and a chance to prove they are worthy of a scholarship somewhere.

 No doubt athletics benefits, but the entire college brings in a lot of transfer students for the simple fact there are a lot available from 13 schools. We probably have somewhere around 3,000 undergrad students, and about 1,000 are transfers.

   MC's academic standards and financial aid packaging are similiar to the rest of the ASC's private schools. There are several sites you could find the info, but collegeboard.com is one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 12, 2008, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: noscholy on November 10, 2008, 06:29:21 PM
Bearkat - I do not agree with your assesment of NAIA.  A good D3 team cannot beat most NAIA schools.  For instance, LSUS would be a very tough game for anyone in our conference and they have can hardly get past the sweet 16.

Also, HBU did not BEAT UP ON the Red River Conference.  Undoubtedly they were a perenniel contender, but Texas Wesleyan just recently won the National Championship and several other teams give them fits every time they play.   

I apologize for my earlier comments.  It was said as an opinion and not through facts.  Obviously D3 schools do not fair well at all against NAIA schools.  Thank you for providing the statistics 

As for HBU, winning 9 RRAC championships in 9 years seems to be beating up on them.  I think the D1 move was good for them, though they are in for an awaking in a couple of days!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 12, 2008, 11:45:16 AM
Oh, I absolutely agree with you there Ralph.  It will be interesting to see how schools such as Austin College or Hendrix respond to these times.  It's often a tough decision for schools to make when deciding what applicants they should accept.  It wouldn't surprise me to see these types of schools sacrifice a small portion of academic standards to keep enrollment numbers comparable to prior years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on November 12, 2008, 04:51:44 PM
Maybe schools like Howard Payne will scope you some students. Ranked #2 Best Value in West Region by US News and World reports this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2008, 07:41:41 AM
One thing you have to say about MC is that they have found a system that works.  What always amazes me is that they ever get any freshmen basketball players into the program since it is almost certain that the playing time they hope to get as they work and mature is playing time that will go to a Juco player who will be recruited in a couple of years.

Look at the 30 players on the current MC roster.  There are 9 freshmen, 4 sophomores, and then 16 players from junior colleges and 1 from a D1 school.  There's not a single junior or senior who came into the program as a high school player.  Over the years I've seen some pretty good high school guys who would have played some right from the start at Millsaps and would have had good careers over their 4 years, but they never get to play much or any varsity ball at MS College.

There are exceptions such as Tyler Winford who had a great career and won recognition both on and off the court.  His stats don't look that great because of the MC system, but people were able to look past his stats and recognize his talent (which reminds me of the joke that Dean Smith was the only man who ever effectively kept Michael Jordan from scoring).  However, few high school players are on par with Tyler Winford.  If he had come to Millsaps he would have started right from the beginning, he would be among the all time leaders in SCAC basketball, he would probably have a National Championship ring, and he might have even made 1st team All-American. 

Again, I'm not criticising the MC system because the reloading with Juco players works and I won't be surprised if they do win a national championship some day.  I'm just amazed that they are able to bring in a significant number of freshmen basketball players year after year when it is obvious that very few of them will ever play much in the MC system.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 13, 2008, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2008, 07:41:41 AM
Again, I'm not criticising the MC system because the reloading with Juco players works and I won't be surprised if they do win a national championship some day.  I'm just amazed that they are able to bring in a significant number of freshmen basketball players year after year when it is obvious that very few of them will ever play much in the MC system.

Frank,
   I hear that question a lot from people because of the JUCO numbers, but it's not entirely accurate. For example. Last year MS College had two freshman, E. C. Williams and Chris Kastmo, who were among the top ten players and received significant playing time all year in the second rotation of players. Both players played about 10 minutes a game and to my knowledge more than any Millsaps freshman. Williams actually made the ASC All-Freshman team.

   This year, David McClain is currently among the top ten players and played 16 minutes against Alcorn as the backup shooting guard. He helped lead Picayune to the MS 4A state championship game last year. We brought in about equal numbers of JUCO's and high school kids this year.  The level of play is high for everyone so it's hard to get on the court, but the best players always play. I think the fact that Coach Lofton uses a rotation of 10-12 players every game is attractive to players because there is a lot of opportunity for playing time.

The winning also helps get freshman. Here's a good stat few people would know. The NCAA's active winningest coach list only lists coaches with at least 5 years as the head coach. Coach Lofton only has four years, but his winning percentage (.800 which would be ahead of Rob Kornaker, St. John Fisher .786) would lead all of DIII and actually is second among all divisions behind only Roy Williams of North Carolina and ahead of Gonzaga's Mark Few. (Roy Williams, .807 ;  Don Lofton, .800 ;  Mark Few, .797).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2008, 02:42:26 PM
No disagree from me Chris on what you are saying.  In general, I think it is fair to say that freshmen who come in at MC and are able to contribute right away are guys who would have contributed right away at most D3 programs.  But I also think there are a handful of guys who come to MC every year in need of some development, guys who would become very good players at a place like Millsaps, and I think most of these guys end up never playing in the MC system.

For example, Chad Songy has developed into a very good point guard at Millsaps but I doubt he would have ever played at MC.  I don't think he would have gotten the practice time or playing time that he needed to develop, even with a junior varsity schedule.  It's guys like that who seem to get lost at MC, guys who could be very good players in a year or two if they were in a different system.

Again, this is just an observation not a criticism.  It's like in football where a team geared towards running the ball might be an excellent program, but it might not be the best program for a guy who excells at passing the football.  In a way MC is like the New York Yankees and they tend to go out and get veteran players to fill a need and a school like Millsaps is more like a team that builds through their farm system.  It's just a different way to try and get to the same result.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 13, 2008, 03:13:39 PM
Frank,
   We do have a lot of good players who hang it up every year because they don't want to sit on the bench and watch, but that happens with our JUCO guys and the high school kids. I would think that happens at most DIII schools who have success. It's hard to get players to watch from the sideline when they aren't on scholarship.

   This happens every year, but right now we are probably down to around 20-25 players, which gives everyone a chance to get better at practice. If you come to our practices you would see that everyone who sticks it out is still getting an opportunity. Lots of drills and rotating to make sure no player gets overlooked.

   It hasn't happened lately, but we had a couple guys like Songy 4-5 years ago. Tracy Phillips sat for three years and I think was First Team All-ASC as a senior in 04. Steven Makamson was another kid who did that and was ASC Defensive player of the year around the same time.

  I would agree with you though that a lot of kids fall through the cracks for us who could be very good players somewhere else, but I don't think the system necessarily makes it harder for the freshman to play. It's hard for everyone because of the talent that Coach Lofton has brought into the program.

It's just hard to convince a freshman to stay around for 2-3 years of practice before they play, even the ones that you can tell will contribute one day. They all want to play from day one and they are at a disadvantage to kids a couple years older. But we would have the same problem if we relied solely on freshmen to mature because once they were juniors and seniors the new incoming freshmen would sit and watch them. Just the nature of DIII.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 14, 2008, 05:54:37 PM
Curt Crain and Travis Bernhard also. One of those two started all 4 years they were there I believe.  Good Luck Chocs and lock down on D.  Thats the only thing that worries me with the JUCOS, SOMETIMES they are not used to having to do that. Also good luck to UT Tyler.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 15, 2008, 03:27:38 PM
I was checking out everyone's schedules and saw HPU played Stephen F. Austin yesterday and got beat pretty bad.  I know they did well last year, did they lose some people or not recruit well? They only scored 38 points.  ETBWHO plays Jarvis Christian today.  We will see how they are going to be.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 15, 2008, 03:30:53 PM
My Wildcats play Lamar tonight as well as Ozarks against Hendrix, Hardin Simmons at UT Arlington and Sul Ross at UT- Pan Am.  Just saw these on the conference website. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 15, 2008, 10:13:29 PM
ETBU beat Jarvis on a 3 at the buzzer by Dennis Jones.  The refs had to go to replay.  Jarvis missed the a ft with about 7 seconds left and ETBU was able to go the length of the floor and get a 3 up.  Tigers will be at Northwestern on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on November 16, 2008, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on November 15, 2008, 03:27:38 PM
I was checking out everyone's schedules and saw HPU played Stephen F. Austin yesterday and got beat pretty bad.  I know they did well last year, did they lose some people or not recruit well? They only scored 38 points.  ETBWHO plays Jarvis Christian today.  We will see how they are going to be.
HPU could be better this years vs. last year.  You have to remember, there's a great difference in talent between DIII and the level SFA plays at.  I believe SFA plays Texas A&M next.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 16, 2008, 12:33:45 PM
LC loses to Lamar 105-72, Josh led all scorers in the game with 24.  I was not there but from the box score we were killed on the boards but shot the ball very well.  Lamar is a good D1 and put up 72 points while ETBU scored 88 against a D1.  That is why HPU concerns me only putting up 38.  Sul Ross put up some points to D1 as well.  Ozarks edges by Hendrix and ETBWhat edges by Jarvis, whom I hear is pretty good this year, beating #8 LSU-S, a perinial NAIA power.  Looks like we are heading for another crazy year!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 17, 2008, 06:02:32 PM
Ozarks played great to beat Hendrix...great win for the Eagles....ETBU beating Jarvis is huge. That is a solid, qualified team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 17, 2008, 06:05:56 PM
Ascfanman...who else does LC play in the non conference?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on November 17, 2008, 06:26:46 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on November 16, 2008, 12:33:45 PM
LC loses to Lamar 105-72, Josh led all scorers in the game with 24.  I was not there but from the box score we were killed on the boards but shot the ball very well.  Lamar is a good D1 and put up 72 points while ETBU scored 88 against a D1.  That is why HPU concerns me only putting up 38.  Sul Ross put up some points to D1 as well.  Ozarks edges by Hendrix and ETBWhat edges by Jarvis, whom I hear is pretty good this year, beating #8 LSU-S, a perinial NAIA power.  Looks like we are heading for another crazy year!!!!!

How does how much you score against a D1 matter? HPU only scored 38 but they only allowed 77. At 7:09 left in the game they were down 22. LC did score 72 but they allowed 105. With 7:09 left in the game LC was down 40. And HBU is a provisional D1 so thats not really impressive to me. But LC an HPU played 2 different teams with different styles so how much they scored doesnt really matter. LC scored but couldnt guard. HPU guarded but had problems scoring. Head to head I think HPU will beat LC. I dont see LC making the tournament this year while I believe HPU has a pretty good chance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on November 17, 2008, 06:27:27 PM
UT Dallas plays Austin College tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 17, 2008, 07:47:45 PM
LC plays Millsaps, McNeese, UL-L, Pensacola Christian.

I think the scoring matters some.  HPU lost Brock Woods, a real contributor for that team.  I think there is some relevance.  Though I am a ETBWHO hater haha , HBU is good, even if they are provisional, they were very tough in the NAIA days and they also beat a good NAIA Jarvis team from what I hear.  I just see HPU struggling this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 18, 2008, 03:47:32 PM
Does anybody know who plays tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 18, 2008, 05:35:36 PM
ETBU at Northwestern at 7:45

here is a link to live video, not sure if audio will be included.

http://www.nsudemons.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20000&KEY=&SPID=11384&SPSID=93111 (http://www.nsudemons.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20000&KEY=&SPID=11384&SPSID=93111)



UTTyler plays at Jarvis and LETU is at Ouachita tonight as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 18, 2008, 10:36:17 PM
halftime score is

NSU 36  ETBU 18

etbu is 5-33 from the field in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 18, 2008, 11:03:21 PM
Letu drops a game to Ouachita
83-70

Letu was within 6 with about 2 mins left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 18, 2008, 11:26:30 PM
ETBU 65

NSU 87

ETBU was held to 28% from the field

NSU had 27 pts of turnovers to 11 for etbu

NSU had 35 fast break points to 10 for etbu.

ETBU did out rebound NSU 52-47 for what its worth.

Tigers play Austin College on Friday and UD on Saturday in a mini tourney at Austin College
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 19, 2008, 01:04:45 AM
Jarvis Christian 63, UT-Tyler 57

at jarvis....no stats on the red river athletic conf page.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on November 19, 2008, 09:47:46 AM
Bad loss for Tyler than if ETBU already beat that Jarvis team. Looks a little low scoreing also.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on November 19, 2008, 11:29:24 AM
Incarnate Word beat HPU 106-74
Southwestern beat  UMHB 75-68

Im sure the UT Tyler score will break #1 ascfanmans heart since ETBU scored 80 on jarvis and UTT only had 57. haha

Big win for my comets on monday night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 19, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
Does anyone know what happened to UMHB at Southwestern? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 20, 2008, 09:46:04 AM
They got beat.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on November 20, 2008, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on November 20, 2008, 09:46:04 AM
They got beat.

Obviously I think he knows that!!! The score was posted on the post before. I think he wants to know how they got beat. lol

A Sophomore came off the bench for Southwestern and was 7-11 from 3, that always helps! Cant find the box score.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 20, 2008, 10:03:11 AM
oh, sorry, i thought he was not sure of the outcome or not, wasn't trying to be a jerk.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 20, 2008, 10:03:58 AM
Apparently the LETU - Ouachita stats are incorrect.  Coach Davis had to asks the scores table more than a dozen times to put points on the board for LETU.  Still - Ouachita won the game - but not sure what the final score was.  To give you an idea how bad it is, Smith was credited with 27 minutes and 10 points on 4 for 11 when in fact he was only able to play 5 minutes, took 1 shot and didn't score.  Rockmore should've been credited with at least 20 points.

Not trying to take anything away from Ouachita because they are the real deal - just wanted to throw my two cents in.  LETU hosts SAU this weekend at home!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 20, 2008, 10:58:36 AM
haha, thanks #1ascfanman.  I just wondered what happened because that seems to be a huge game for Southwestern (who failed to make the SCAC tournament last season).  From what I've heard, it was just an ugly game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on November 20, 2008, 02:35:27 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on November 20, 2008, 10:03:58 AM
Apparently the LETU - Ouachita stats are incorrect.  Coach Davis had to asks the scores table more than a dozen times to put points on the board for LETU.  Still - Ouachita won the game - but not sure what the final score was.  To give you an idea how bad it is, Smith was credited with 27 minutes and 10 points on 4 for 11 when in fact he was only able to play 5 minutes, took 1 shot and didn't score.  Rockmore should've been credited with at least 20 points.

Not trying to take anything away from Ouachita because they are the real deal - just wanted to throw my two cents in.  LETU hosts SAU this weekend at home!

I was looking at the play by play before you posted this an I noticed that Smith had like 3 minutes in the first half but in the box score it said he had like 12. Also it said Van Wright subs out an then like 2 possesions later he makes a shot. So it does seem that the stats are a little off.

Anyone know why Smith only played 5 minutes? And him an the highly talented D1 transfer that everyone was talking about both came off the bench?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2008, 10:38:55 AM
To anyone who is interested, the Millsaps at Louisiana College game is scheduled to be webcast by Millsaps with the tipoff at 7:00 Central time.  The link to that is:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Players/Millsaps%20College.htm
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2008, 10:03:35 PM
LC (http://www.ascsports.org/News/mbball/2008/10/15/ASC_MBB_PRESEASON0809.asp?path=mbball) was picked 6th of 7 in the ASC-East.

Good win for LC and for the conference.  One must defeat in-region foes.

LC 65-57 over Millsaps.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 22, 2008, 10:01:45 AM
I watched the TU v. Schreiner game last night and though TU was never in jeopardy of losing the game, Schreiner showed some potential in spurts.  They consist of nothing but freshmen and sophomores and look pretty athletic.  As soon as D2 transfer Ralph Turner gets his legs under him (hasn't played organized ball in a year or so apparently), they could actually be a legitimate threat.  They definitely have the size and athletes to compete one day, but it's a matter or getting on the same page for that team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on November 22, 2008, 01:02:39 PM
I heard that Vanwright asked coach Davis to let him come off the bench.  Not sure about Smith though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on November 22, 2008, 06:13:19 PM
The Choctaws picked up an 89-72 win over Rust College out of Holly Springs, MS in the Lon Varnell Classic in Sewanee, TN.  Twelve different players scored in the game with 13 players in the regular rotation.  Bryan Johnson led the way with 18 points on 8-10 shooting.  MC outrebounded the outsized Bearcats, 52-35, and shot 50% from the floor.  Rust is a very athletic team that really gets up and down the court.  The Choctaws' transition defense was impressive as well as the execution on offense so early in the season.  MC plays Sewanee on Sunday at 1:00 p.m. in the finale of the tournament.  Rust defeated Sewanee on Friday night, 77-66.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 22, 2008, 06:32:41 PM
etbu beats udallas by 10 or so...tigers were up by double digits most of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 22, 2008, 08:03:52 PM
I'll do game updates on the other link for tonight's matchup between SAU and LETU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 22, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
LETU - 72
SAU - 66
Final
Jackets get a big win tonight against Southern Arkansas.  While the typical players did their thing tonight, Will Smith needs to get the most credit for his defensive play down low against SAU's bigs.  Jackets hit their free throws down the stretch to seal the victory.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2008, 11:45:57 PM
I saw UT-Dallas beat Guilford 64-48.

I spoke with the Guilford announcer after the game.

UTD took Guilford out of its game with outstanding defense and guard play by Temaine Wright (FG 9-15 /3FG 0-3/ FT 6-7 /5 rebs/ 4 assists 2 TO/ 6 steals/24 points in 36 minutes).  Ernie Lowery 6pts and Brandon Greene 5 points contributed 26 minutes each.  Scott Rodgers came off the bench for 11 points (FG 4-10/3 FG 3-8).  The Guilford announcer, Brian Jones, said this was the lowest point total by Guilford since before the 2002-03 season.  He complimented the UT-Dallas defense!  Temaine Wright was able to slash and make points on his drives.

Mr Jones was very complimentary of the ASC ball that he has seen.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on November 23, 2008, 05:25:33 PM
The Choctaws won the Lon Varnell Classic in Sewanee, TN by defeating the host school, Tigers, by a score of 82-76 in the finale.  Bryan Johnson scored 18 pts. in the opener against Rust and followed that with 20 against Sewanee.  Johnson is 18-22 from the floor and 2-2 from the 3-pt. line.  Johnson and Richard Worthy were named to the All-Tournament Team.  Worthy hit four free throws in the final 30 seconds to clinch the victory.  13 players saw significant playing time in both games and the Choctaws look to be very deep, yet again.  They will get a tough test after Thanksgiving when they travel to Abilene to face Hardin-Simmons and McMurry. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 24, 2008, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on November 20, 2008, 02:35:27 PM

I was looking at the play by play before you posted this an I noticed that Smith had like 3 minutes in the first half but in the box score it said he had like 12. Also it said Van Wright subs out an then like 2 possesions later he makes a shot. So it does seem that the stats are a little off.

Anyone know why Smith only played 5 minutes? And him an the highly talented D1 transfer that everyone was talking about both came off the bench?

I assume it's because of Smith's ankle injury that has limited him in the amount of playing time early in the season.  He's missed some practice time and all after twisiting his ankle just before their first scrimmage.  He looked good on Saturday night and really provides a spark when he comes off the bench. 

Vanwright asked to come off the bench.  Apparently he prefers to watch the opponents for a few minutes and then come off the bench and establish himself.  Obviously Coach plays him down the stretch.  7 for 8 at the charity stripe, including some clutch free throws.  Scored 15 2nd half points and made some big time plays when it looked like SAU might be running away with it. 

Smith also played well, however, had a couple of key turnovers late in the 2nd half.  Shot the ball very well and seems to be getting that step back. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 24, 2008, 02:02:40 PM
LC has played some real close games, unfortunately they have not won all of them but they will be tough this year.  I can see them making a run for the tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on November 25, 2008, 01:08:05 AM
I have not posted in forever on this site.  Too busy chasing young kids of my own, and I spend all my internet time on fantasy football.  Still an Indian at heart though.

What kind of team is Holmes and McM supposed to have this year?  I haven't kept up with it like I used to.  How are you doing Ralph?  Can you answer?

FinnMan
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2008, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: finnman on November 25, 2008, 01:08:05 AM
I have not posted in forever on this site.  Too busy chasing young kids of my own, and I spend all my internet time on fantasy football.  Still an Indian at heart though.

What kind of team is Holmes and McM supposed to have this year?  I haven't kept up with it like I used to.  How are you doing Ralph?  Can you answer?

FinnMan
I am cautiously optimistic.

It has been too long since we made the NCAA playoffs.  He has lots of talent and new players.  The start at UTSA may not be indicative of how good we are.

I think that the MissColl/LaCollege series may be more accurate.  I am trying to figure out the Cowboys!

(What I really like is how the women look.  If Berthel can take up enough slack in the post, and last year's crew can mature accordingly this year, then we might make the NCAA playoffs again.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2008, 12:12:20 PM
UTSA pregame release (http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13100&ATCLID=3622240) for the McMurry game.

Audio and Livestats details are included.  Video is available for paid subscribers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2008, 01:58:36 PM
Can anybody post thoughts on the MHB v. Trinity game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on November 25, 2008, 02:30:00 PM
Ralph, Finnman: missed you two!

I'm with Ralph on the women, they really could be something if it all comes together. Allison Nelson is a joy to watch.

The men sound like they will be better. But well have to wait and see how they gel. Still, can't wait!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Walter17 on November 25, 2008, 02:33:24 PM
UMHB v. Trinity should be a battle.  Trinity went toe to toe with #6 UW-Stevens Point, but came up short by 1 pt. in overtime.  Trinity is a grind-it-out defensive team and UMHB's great perimeter athletes whould be a great challenge for them.  I am looking forward to tonight's game and will surely post my post game thoughts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 25, 2008, 03:48:55 PM
Quote from: etbualum on December 06, 2005, 08:54:57 AM
Im pretty sure etbu will not be adding tennis anytime soon.  We do not currently have the facillities.

Reading some old pots and came across this.  I heard ETBU will be adding tennis this year - is that true?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 25, 2008, 03:54:21 PM
2010 tennis will be back at etbu....new courts are going to be built next to the football field(or at least that is the rumor)...no word on how many courts.

guess i was wrong...or does 5 years count as not anytime soon :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on November 25, 2008, 08:25:02 PM
Early season returns don't make the ASC look terribly good as a whole. Counting all games, ASC teams are only scoring 93.6 points per 100 possessions while giving up 101.4 per 100 possessions in 32 total games played. I have a suspicion that those numbers would look much better if I took out the NAIA/D2/D1 games, but that's more work than I'm willing to do at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2008, 08:29:20 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on November 25, 2008, 08:25:02 PM
Early season returns don't make the ASC look terribly good as a whole. Counting all games, ASC teams are only scoring 93.6 points per 100 possessions while giving up 101.4 per 100 possessions in 32 total games played. I have a suspicion that those numbers would look much better if I took out the NAIA/D2/D1 games, but that's more work than I'm willing to do at the moment.
I think that a fair assessment for your system will be to analyze only ASC games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on November 25, 2008, 09:37:41 PM
Yeah, but doing it ASC-only will make it come out to .500 by definition. What I'm trying to do is get at how good the ASC is outside the conference, for which I need to do D3 only games. I could do it; I'm just not interested enough to do the work right now. :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2008, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on November 25, 2008, 09:37:41 PM
Yeah, but doing it ASC-only will make it come out to .500 by definition. What I'm trying to do is get at how good the ASC is outside the conference, for which I need to do D3 only games. I could do it; I'm just not interested enough to do the work right now. :P
East versus West would be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
Thanks Walter. Since losing to them in the first round last year, I'm kind a interested in following them this season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: thejungle on November 25, 2008, 02:30:00 PM
Ralph, Finnman: missed you two!

I'm with Ralph on the women, they really could be something if it all comes together. Allison Nelson is a joy to watch.

The men sound like they will be better. But well have to wait and see how they gel. Still, can't wait!
Hey jungle!

I think that the men will be all right.

They had runs of quality play against the team picked #3 in the Southland West Division. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 26, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
Josh Johnson is doing it again!
http://www.lcwildcats.net/

I  saw UMHB loses again, I guess that means no more top 25 for the conference.  This does not help us get any respect.  What do you think Ralph, you seem to be on top of things.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 26, 2008, 12:07:01 PM
Some updated stats from the LETU - Ouchiata game:  JJ Rockmore scored 23 points in the game as opposed to just 12pts.  Apparently they gave all his points to Smith, even though Smith was limited to just 3 minutes in the game.  Hopefully they can get all that information straightened out. 

Happy Thanksgiving all!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on November 26, 2008, 03:22:19 PM
Ralph, I had a blast last night...I was sitting down, watching live scoring on ESPN.com on my iphone.  Watched as McMurry pulled within 10 about 5 or 6 minutes to go.  It was awesome getting those live stats...Though I guess it's the only time this year we'll play a DI.  And to make it even better I ran into Finnman while we were at Abuelo's.

Brilliant!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 26, 2008, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on November 26, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
Josh Johnson is doing it again!
http://www.lcwildcats.net/

I  saw UMHB loses again, I guess that means no more top 25 for the conference.  This does not help us get any respect.  What do you think Ralph, you seem to be on top of things.

I wouldn't worry about the Top 25 regarding respect. It's a great honor and Pat goes to great lengths to make sure he has very informed voters, but the bigger issue will be the two regional losses.

It's nice to see ASC teams in the poll but it's more important for the league to get two teams in the NCAA tournament and then win games in the tourney. In this part of the country teams usually can't have more than 4 regional losses and expect to get an at-large bid.  Two early losses leaves very little room for error from here on out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2008, 12:43:56 AM
I agree with Chris. (Thanks for jumping in Chris!)

Top 25 means we have a team that wins first two games in the playoffs!

I wasn't sure how good the ASC/SCAC was last year, but the UMHB that lost two games during the Abilene Death March lost a heartbreaker at Millsaps, which went on to make the Elite 8.

That being said, I think that the Top 25 from our part of the country at this time is Trinity.

Let's stay below the radar, because I think that is where we need to be, until we can get some teams working together.

Right now, I need to see how good UT-Dallas really is.  The ODAC is the best conference in the South and the Comets just handled Guilford last weekend.

I like what Coach Holmes has done to "right" his program at McMurry!  Miss College is always strong, and we in the ASC have 6-8 strong programs (Top 40- Top 100 Range).

(Sorry that this is late.  T'giving Day travel, and I just filled my gas tank for $20.00!  Yep! $1.499 in Lubbock!  ;D   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on November 28, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Pace figures so far this season, sorted fastest to slowest:

1. Concordia-Texas, 90.8
2. Hardin-Simmons, 78.2
3. East Texas Baptist, 77.9
4. McMurry, 77.5
5. Howard Payne, 75.4
League Average, 74.9
6. Texas Lutheran, 74.7
7. Schreiner, 74.5
8. Ozarks, 74.2
9. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 74.1
10. Sul Ross State, 73.5
11. Louisiana College, 71.3
12. LeTourneau, 71.3
13. Texas-Tyler, 69.7
14. Mississippi College, 69.7
15. Texas-Dallas, 67.3
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 29, 2008, 06:20:24 PM
Well, HSU returned the favor. The MC women upset the Cowgirls in the opener, but the HSU men pulled the upset in the men's game. HSU wins 88-82 over the Choctaws.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 30, 2008, 10:02:46 AM
giving up 88 points and 15 3-pointers. Here's an idea:  PLAY SOME DEFENSE!

The only problem I see with getting all of the JUCO kids is they play a much different game in that league than the do in the ASC and D3.  It takes a while for them to adjust but in D3 with so little at large bids you don't really have that much time.  I know Coach Lofton will get them there but I thought we might be in trouble with only a 4 pt win over a winless Sewanee team.  Once again before I go, PLAY SOME DEFENSE!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 02, 2008, 10:19:32 AM
ETBU beat HPU last night by 10.  This coming after dropping a close one to Sul Ross.

Tigers will be at home this week against UMHB saturday and CTX on Monday
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 02, 2008, 12:06:57 PM
Nice road trip for LETU to go 2-0 at two tough places to play due to the amount of travel and the timing of the trip.  This is the first time that LETU has won both road games against these two teams:

06/07 - Lost to HPU by 33 and SRSU by 14 (WENT TO PLAYOFFS)
04/05 - Lost to HPU by 18 and SRSU by 13
02/03 - Lost to HPU by 32 and SRSU by 21
00/01 - Lost to HPU by 21 and Won at SRSU by 8


In the win against Sul Ross, the one thing that jumps out to me - 6 for 18 - this stat is SRSU's FT/FTA.  In both wins, free throws played a role in the Jackets win, as the Jackets shot 70% (14/20) versus 33% (6/18) for the Lobos.  In the HPU game, the Jackets shot 68% (13/19) versus HPU's 50% (3/6).  While Vanwright has been an amazing addition, the play of JJ Rockmore can not be overlooked.  Hopefully the stats will be updated this week, but he is avg.  16.8 ppg and has shot the ball very well.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 02, 2008, 12:30:07 PM
I expected UTD to get more support in the new poll.  They still have less points in others receiving points than the 2 teams they beat (Guilford and UMHB).  Good thing about polls is you can debate them all day long lol
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 02, 2008, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: kid nice on November 30, 2008, 10:02:46 AM
giving up 88 points and 15 3-pointers. Here's an idea:  PLAY SOME DEFENSE!

The only problem I see with getting all of the JUCO kids is they play a much different game in that league than the do in the ASC and D3.  It takes a while for them to adjust but in D3 with so little at large bids you don't really have that much time.  I know Coach Lofton will get them there but I thought we might be in trouble with only a 4 pt win over a winless Sewanee team.  Once again before I go, PLAY SOME DEFENSE!

Don't know if that has much to do with it. In 2006-07, we either led the nation in scoring defense or field goal percentage defense and four of the starters were JUCO, also 7 of the top 10 players. This team will be good  but there are going to be some growing pains with so many new kids.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2008, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: SabineBBall on December 02, 2008, 12:30:07 PM
I expected UTD to get more support in the new poll.  They still have less points in others receiving points than the 2 teams they beat (Guilford and UMHB).  Good thing about polls is you can debate them all day long lol

Welcome to the top 25.

The ASC has no significant history of consistent Top 25 performances among the men.  The women are different.

There are 39 AQ conferences in D-III.  It is hard to comprehend how big D-III is...three times larger than D-1 FBS football!  Every year, we have teams in D-III that win a first round playoff game and do not crack the Top 25!

UT-Dallas' last appearance in the Top 25 (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/07/week5.htm) was after the win over UT-Arlington in Dec 2006.  An 11-0 Comets proceeded to lose their next 2 games during the Abilene Death March.

IMHO, each season, the ASC has one school that breaks into the Top 25 and about 5-7 schools that #30 -#100 nationwide.  We aren't a great conference like the UAA, the CCIW, the WIAC, etc.,  but we are a very good one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2008, 01:55:05 PM
Actually, I am glad to see that the Abilene Death March will be in force again this season for the men and the women.

"Welcome to Abilene and four hard games for your men's and your women's basketball teams."
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on December 02, 2008, 04:07:42 PM
Didn't expect them to be top 25 but maybe ahead of the 2 teams they beat lol.  I do see your "Abilene Death March" on the schedule.  Will be a tough 2 games for men and women.  UTD isn't traveling with UTT this year so it makes it even harder.  I hope the women win on Thursday to setup the HPU game on Saturday.  I know every team is looking to stop the long winning streak of HPU women!! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 02, 2008, 09:59:48 PM
Chris, how many of those 7 were Seniors, and it was their second year in the system?  I have no doubt they will be good and it sounds like they are very athletic.  I said i have faith coach Lofton will get them where they need to be, i simply made an observation.  I know that it is a different style of game, but i also know that they can of course adjust IF they buy in to it.










Quote from: Chris Brooks on December 02, 2008, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: kid nice on November 30, 2008, 10:02:46 AM
giving up 88 points and 15 3-pointers. Here's an idea:  PLAY SOME DEFENSE!

The only problem I see with getting all of the JUCO kids is they play a much different game in that league than the do in the ASC and D3.  It takes a while for them to adjust but in D3 with so little at large bids you don't really have that much time.  I know Coach Lofton will get them there but I thought we might be in trouble with only a 4 pt win over a winless Sewanee team.  Once again before I go, PLAY SOME DEFENSE!

Don't know if that has much to do with it. In 2006-07, we either led the nation in scoring defense or field goal percentage defense and four of the starters were JUCO, also 7 of the top 10 players. This team will be good  but there are going to be some growing pains with so many new kids.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 02, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
Quote from: kid nice on December 02, 2008, 09:59:48 PM
Chris, how many of those 7 were Seniors, and it was their second year in the system?  I have no doubt they will be good and it sounds like they are very athletic.  I said i have faith coach Lofton will get them where they need to be, i simply made an observation.  I know that it is a different style of game, but i also know that they can of course adjust IF they buy in to it.

That is a very good point. All four JUCO starters were seniors and 6 of the 7 overall were seniors. That was the year Tim Broomfield and D. J. Jones were voted first and second for ASC East Player of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year.

This year's top ten players in the rotation have nine JUCO transfers and five of them are newcomers. This will end up a very good defensive team because the personnel is there but it's gonna take some time to get people in the right spots and have the right rotations. I'm sure the coaches are still learning what everyone is capable of, but this will be a tough team to beat in the ASC tournament, especially if we get to host.

Changing subjects, I didn't make the trip but I was told that McMurry has a very solid ballclub this year. David Nichols broadcasted the games for us this weekend, and he was impressed with Coach Holmes' team and mentioned he wouldn't be surprised to see them battle UMHB for the ASC West this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2008, 09:07:54 AM
Thanks for the comments about this year's McM team.

Most insiders know how much Coach Holmes respects both Coach Lofton and Coach Jones.  It seems that those men just love playing against each other, because of how much the competition just makes each better.  Coach Holmes was quite pleased with the performances that his players gave.  He was also very pleased with the play of his point guard, Robert Moreno.

Moreno seems to be providing the leadership that one needs out of a senior and an high-profile position such as point guard.


## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN

05 Robert Moreno.......    g  0-0    0-0       4-4    1  2       3   2   4   12 6  0    3  36

This was against a very athletically talented Mississippi College.  The Choctaws will be a threat as they become familiar with Coach Lofton's system.  I really wonder if Moreno faces a more athletically talented defensive backcourt than Mississippi College. 

McMurry seems to be at least 10 players deep this season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2008, 09:52:05 AM
Robert looked great Monday night, but he was in nearly the whole game.  He will stay great if he can stay healthy, which has not always been the case in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 03, 2008, 10:28:07 AM
Ozarks is off to a tough start but seems to be playing well.

Interesting observation from looking at the box scores (I was not at the games) but MC lost to a Hardin Simmons team that lost earlier in the year to some pretty bad teams. Maybe this will open up the East to where someone else can compete for the regular season title besides MC....UTD looking strong on the road in week 1.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2008, 03:40:33 PM
Time to post what is becoming an annual rant...

The ASC basketball coaches need to vote to count only the intra-divisional games towards the divisional standings.  I believe that teams need time to work out their chemistry issues and get their roles down.

Twelve or fourteen divisional games is enough to seed the brackets for the ASC tourney.  IMHO, Catching SRSU and HPU at home versus going on that road trip cannot be adjudicated in a single round-robin.  The "Abilene Death March", playing at HSU and McMurry is a tough road trip.  Yeah, road trips in the ASC are notorious, but not all road trips are equal, especially if it is a single round robin format!

At the next level, yes, the inter-divisional games have an impact as "in-region" competition when it comes to Pool C and to bracket seeding and regional rankings for the NCAA.  Let's look at it as an "ACC-Big Ten Challenge Series" between East and West.  If a tournament quality team has gotten its act together early, then it will be rewarded.  However, a team should not look up on Jan 8th, before the spring semester begins, and be 4 games out of first place!

Let's change that next May 2009 at the "2009-10" coaches meeting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 03, 2008, 06:08:48 PM
I second that motion, my wildcats are already 0-2 in conference and in a hole, though it is nice to see MC there!  If the divisions each played twice it would be a different matter, but it really is not fair to have to travel t Abilene and lose both and not get a shot at them at home that same year, the same the next year for them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 03, 2008, 07:00:26 PM
Thats a horrible arguement. I like the way it is. There arent enough games to play everyone twice. You just gotta be able to win some games on the road.  If LC was 2-0 im sure you wouldnt be saying that. My Comets are 2-0 though so i cant complain!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 04, 2008, 09:51:37 AM
I am split on this topic - while it's enjoyable to watch each team in our conferenec every other year, I wish basketball was permitted more out-of-conference games, similiar to baseball and softball.  Both those sports play a limited cross-over rivals (baseball playing 2 teams from the other side and softball playing 4 teams from the other side).  While that has it's advantages and disadvantages, this allows these teams to have the opportunity to play out-of-conference D3 schools.  I feel that most of our basketball teams playing one d1 or d2 school, a couple of NAIA schools, and then all of a sudden we are in the thick of conference.  I'd like to see us play more D3 schools (I realize that this lies on the coaches shoulders when scheduling, but with the limited number of games permitted out of conference, I believe their hands are tied). It be fun to see how LETU or ETBU match up with Trinity or Southwestern.  Maybe do an ASC-SCAC tournament at the beginning of the season.  I know that creates some traveling issues, but just a thought. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 04, 2008, 10:20:07 AM
I dont know if ascfanman plans on doing predicitions again this year but I'm gonna try it.........

12/4
UO over HPU
UTT over HSU
LC over SU
UTD over SRSU

12/6
MC over SU
UMHB over ETBU
SRSU over UO
UTD over HPU
McM over UTT
LeT over CUA
LC over TLU

12/8
LeT over UMHB
CUA over ETBU
MC over TLU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on December 03, 2008, 07:00:26 PM
Thats a horrible arguement. I like the way it is. There arent enough games to play everyone twice. You just gotta be able to win some games on the road.  If LC was 2-0 im sure you wouldnt be saying that. My Comets are 2-0 though so i cant complain!

I posted that this year because we are playing better, and therefore it doesn't help us.

I contend that a single round-robin in this conference is not equitable for determining the divisional champ.  This year, it looks like that avoiding the Abilene road may be the key in the final ASC-East standings.

My preference is to split the conference in half, East and West.  Once split, then sign a contract between the conferences that assures sufficient games to fill the schedules for 10 years.  I know that the function of the 20/21-game conference basketball schedule is to provide games now.  (Trust me, the numbers show that it hurts us when trying to get seeding in the NCAA's.)

I want to split the conference so we can get more Pool A bids.  Imagine this.  If the ASC-East had 7 members in Volleyball and M/W Tennis and became its own league, after two years as a provisional conference, the ASC-East would get its own Pool A bids in M/W Soccer, M/W Hoops, M/W Tennis, Baseball, Softball and Volleyball.

FACT:  No ASC-East women's basketball team has played an NCAA playoff game since the Pool system was begun in 1999!  If the ASC-East were its own conference, then the winner would have had a Pool A bid.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on December 04, 2008, 11:52:19 AM
I will make some picks also...

12/4
HSU over UTT  I know UTT is pumped for this home game. I think they will be in for a shock...
LC over SU
UTD over SRSU
UO over HPU

12/6
MC over SU
UMHB over ETBU
UO over SRSU
UTD over HPU
MCM over UTT
LETU over CUA
LC over TLU

12/8
LeT over UMHB
CUA over ETBU
MC over TLU

Key notes for the week: UTT will go 0-2 at home, UTD will remain unbeaten, MC after starting 0-2 in conference will go 2-0 this week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
Farewell to Coach Pattillo (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2548)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ex-jacket on December 04, 2008, 12:44:23 PM
As an ex-player and personal friend to the Pattillo family I am very upset of what has happened over the past month with this situation.  I won't go into details but there is more to this story than what will be put out into the open.  All I want to say is that it was a witch hunt not a retirement.

Coach Pattillo is a great Christian man and has more class than everybody in that athletic department combined!

Since that new AD has taken over there has only been two programs that have been successful at HPU and one of them is the men's basketball program.  Just read the release.

How come there are no quotes in that release from the AD?

I am sorry Pat if this goes a little far, I won't get into much more details.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 04, 2008, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on December 03, 2008, 07:00:26 PM
Thats a horrible arguement. I like the way it is. There arent enough games to play everyone twice. You just gotta be able to win some games on the road.  If LC was 2-0 im sure you wouldnt be saying that. My Comets are 2-0 though so i cant complain!

I posted that this year because we are playing better, and therefore it doesn't help us.

I contend that a single round-robin in this conference is not equitable for determining the divisional champ.  This year, it looks like that avoiding the Abilene road may be the key in the final ASC-East standings.

My preference is to split the conference in half, East and West.  Once split, then sign a contract between the conferences that assures sufficient games to fill the schedules for 10 years.  I know that the function of the 20/21-game conference basketball schedule is to provide games now.  (Trust me, the numbers show that it hurts us when trying to get seeding in the NCAA's.)

I want to split the conference so we can get more Pool A bids.  Imagine this.  If the ASC-East had 7 members in Volleyball and M/W Tennis and became its own league, after two years as a provisional conference, the ASC-East would get its own Pool A bids in M/W Soccer, M/W Hoops, M/W Tennis, Baseball, Softball and Volleyball.

FACT:  No ASC-East women's basketball team has played an NCAA playoff game since the Pool system was begun in 1999!  If the ASC-East were its own conference, then the winner would have had a Pool A bid.

If the coaches feel the games should count  I would rather see a couple neutral site crossover tourneys.  Softball and Volleyball have done it in the past.  It takes out the advantage of home court and could be a nice showcase for the conference in the metroplex or somewhere around there.  I just dont like the idea of home court advantage without the return game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 04, 2008, 03:30:41 PM
12/4
UTT over HSU...I doubt their ability to make 15 3pointers again in a game.
SU over LC..... Toss up
UTD over SRSU...Easy win for UTD
UO over HPU....hard to beat UO when they are at home.

12/6
MC over SU...easy win puts them back on track
ETBU over UMHB...upset pick, UMHB still cant get it all together
UO over SRSU...UO at home
UTD over HPU...Easy win to push UTD to 4-0
MCM over UTT...MCM size is too much for UTT
LeT over CUA...LeT depth is enough to outlast Concordia's style of play
LC over TLU...LC wins because they are at home

12/8
LeT over UMHB...Will UMHB start 1-3???
CUA over ETBU...tough pick but I have Concordia
MC over TLU...Easy win, MC back to 2-2


East-  UTD will still be undefeated along with LeT
West- McMurry remains on top

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 04, 2008, 03:44:32 PM
Would love to watch the LETU-CTX game this week.  Those two teams have played three straight overtime games with the Jackets winning twice, but the Tornados winning last year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 05, 2008, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
Farewell to Coach Pattillo (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2548)

Coach Patillo is a class act.  There's not a finer person to be coaching young men.  It just seems strange for this to take place during the season.  There has to be more to it than just retirement.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 05, 2008, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 05, 2008, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
Farewell to Coach Pattillo (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2548)

Coach Patillo is a class act.  There's not a finer person to be coaching young men.  It just seems strange for this to take place during the season.  There has to be more to it than just retirement.

So this takes place immediatley or will he finish the season.  The article was very confusing.  I assumed it was b/c of the 0'fer start, but I figured there was a lot of talent on that team that it just was going to take some time to gel together. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 05, 2008, 02:54:43 PM
3-1 on last nights picks..not too bad. All the East teams won last night.

Which side East or West does everyone think is better currently?
I'd say it is hard to argue that the East isn't better right now. Even with MC playing bad they have three undefeated teams left....If Tyler beats McMurry on Saturday this thing could get interesting, UTD and LeT are both going to win.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2008, 03:40:25 PM
Going into this weekend...

UT-Dallas
UT-Tyler
HSU
McM
MissCollege
UMHB
LaCollege
LeTU

I think that 5 of the top 8 are ASC-East
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on December 05, 2008, 05:24:35 PM
3-1 on my picks so far I should have gone with UTT to win that game. I thought UTT would win that game just wanted them to lose. I think if Anthony Reese has another bad game Monday they will lose to MCM. Does anyone know any information on the Howard Payne coach retiring is this effective immediately?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 05, 2008, 05:38:03 PM
Looks like UT-Dallas is the real deal this year.  Similiar to what they did a few years ago when they started the season off very strong.  Has anyone seen them play?  Are they the real deal?  It's weird to look at the standings and see MC down at the bottom. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2008, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on December 05, 2008, 05:38:03 PM
Looks like UT-Dallas is the real deal this year.  Similiar to what they did a few years ago when they started the season off very strong.  Has anyone seen them play?  Are they the real deal?  It's weird to look at the standings and see MC down at the bottom. 
They are good.  They handled a good Guilford team before T'day and then ran away from SRSU after a sluggish first half last night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ex-jacket on December 05, 2008, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 05, 2008, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
Farewell to Coach Pattillo (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2548)

Coach Patillo is a class act.  There's not a finer person to be coaching young men.  It just seems strange for this to take place during the season.  There has to be more to it than just retirement.

Read my post from above.  It was a force out led by a man that has no business around kids and especially athletics.  I don't want to be banned from this site so I won't go too far.  The AD has ruined that athletic department.

Notice there were no comments by the AD in the release ???  How can news like this not be released by the AD. 

Pattillo is a great man with great values.  HPU made a huge mistake by this!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 05, 2008, 06:56:12 PM
The retirement takes effect immediately.  He hasn't coached a game this year.  The 0'fer has nothing to do with the retirement.  Other factors do unfortunately.  

I've known Coach P and his family for almost 20 yrs, he's a great guy, a great Christian, and someone I've learned a lot from on and off the court.  I know I'll miss shaking his hand before the games wishing him and the team good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 05, 2008, 07:03:57 PM
ex-jacket check your private messages when you get a chance.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 05, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
I hate to hear that about the coach at HPU. Sounds like a bum deal.

Sorry to those who were looking for my predictions.  I have not had time to look at them.  Here are mine for the rest of the weekend.

MC over SU-Easy pick since they are at home and won't lose to them 2 years in a row.
UMHB over ETBU-I don't think the CRU will stay down.
UO over SRSU-Long road trip for Lobos
UTD over HPU-too much distraction for HPU and they are struggling
McM over UTT-McMurry seems to be in a good place right now
CUA over Let-Bit of an upset pick :o
LC of TLU-got going and are at home
CUA over ETBU-Will be riding high with momentum after upsetting LeT
LeT over UMHB-Won't let another one slip away like last year.
MC over TLU-no brainer ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 06, 2008, 12:26:57 AM
pedh34 where are you from and who do you support? Your picks look pretty solid, you must have some good knowledge of this league
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
Congratulations to the voice of HPU, Dallas Huston! (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2008/12/06/news/doc4939fd7f6ead5622273919.txt)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on December 06, 2008, 07:08:29 PM
Letourneau Won 82-67 against Concordia. Dale Vanwright started and he scored 32 points and had 9 rebounds. Good defensive effort by the yelllowjackets first time Concordia was held to under 70 points all season long.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on December 07, 2008, 12:15:11 AM
Quote from: pedh34 on December 04, 2008, 11:52:19 AM
I will make some picks also...

12/4
HSU over UTT  I know UTT is pumped for this home game. I think they will be in for a shock...
LC over SU
UTD over SRSU
UO over HPU

12/6
MC over SU
UMHB over ETBU
UO over SRSU
UTD over HPU
MCM over UTT
LETU over CUA
LC over TLU

12/8
LeT over UMHB
CUA over ETBU
MC over TLU

Key notes for the week: UTT will go 0-2 at home, UTD will remain unbeaten, MC after starting 0-2 in conference will go 2-0 this week.


I went 5-2 on Saturday 12/6. I am impressed UTT beat MCM. As I said I thought Reese would have to have a better performance then he did against HSU. Reese led all scorers in the game with 24 points. Reese went 10-for-17 from floor and grabbed six boards.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 07, 2008, 10:11:49 AM
My Wildcats lose at home! I did not see that one coming.  LC and ETBU are the disappointments for the East last night since everyone else won..

As of now I am 4-3 going into Monday's action.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 07, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
Wow did anyone see that coming out of Tyler? Beating McMurry.....that must have been an amazing game. Was anyone there that can provide some insight. Lookings at Tylers roster from last season to now I thought they would have fallen off because they lost so many key players but they seem to be playing very well.

Ozarks coming back up to 2-2...not a bad showing through the first 4 games.

UTD beating everyone in conference by 20 is pretty impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 07, 2008, 02:30:11 PM
Early (way, way too early, but I'm bored) predictions of how the West and East shake out based on the very limited number of games played so far. Think if this more as a "this is the kind of team they've played like so far" list than a prediction of how they'll actually finish, though I'm sure Ralph hopes it is. :P I hope to have some team and individual rankings ready by this week sometime.

ASC West
McMurry, 15-6
Mary Hardin-Baylor, 13-8
Hardin-Simmons, 12-9
Texas Lutheran, 10-11
Sul Ross State, 9-12
Concordia-Texas, 5-16 (put a hand in someone's face when they're shooting....please....)
Schreiner, 3-18
Howard Payne, 2-19

ASC East
Texas-Dallas, 17-3
LeTourneau, 17-3
Texas-Tyler, 16-4
Ozarks, 11-9
Mississippi College, 9-11
East Texas Baptist, 9-11
Louisiana College, 6-14

As long as I'm at it, picks for Monday 12/8...
LeTourneau over Mary Hardin-Baylor
East Texas Baptist over Concordia-Texas
Texas Lutheran over Mississippi College
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2008, 02:42:38 PM
CUA, thanks for the first look.   :)

I think that the Mississippi College opponents (McM and HSU) are working against them in this run of the stats.  My perception is that MissCollege would do no worse than 15-5  (6-2 vs the West, 4-2 on the road, 5-1 at home).    :)

A veteran observer told me that Mississippi College has the quality of athletes that we saw in the Sweet 16 in 2001 against national finalist William Paterson NJ.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 07, 2008, 06:36:37 PM
I would almost be willing to bet you my paycheck that MC will not finish 9-11.  Well, at least a $100 (i'm a teacher, so almost my whole paycheck) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 07, 2008, 07:01:39 PM
I agree...MC has been way too good for way too long. There is no way they will not make the conference tourny. It would be a complete shock if they didn't finish in the top 3.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 08, 2008, 12:20:38 AM
Theres no doubt in my mind that MC will be in the conference tourny instead of Ozarks. They are 1-2 right now. But it looks worse than it really is. Hardin Simmons hit 15 3 pointers that game and MC only lost by 6. Judging by the stats HSU does not shoot like that most nights. And McMurry seems like they have a very solid team who will compete for the title in the West.

I also dont see TLU being good enough to make the tournament. I think SRU might steal the 4th spot unless Concordia scores more or actually plays some D!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 08, 2008, 12:16:55 PM
Big game tonight here in Longview - UMHB vs. LETU

Men's game can be listened to live at http://www.audiosportsonline.net/Chitwood/LeTourneau/2008Basketball.htm
(http://www.audiosportsonline.net/Chitwood/LeTourneau/2008Basketball.htm)
J.Hayes will not be playing tonight due to a sprained ankle.  Vanwright coming off a 32 point game against CUA. 

CUA game was a lot closer than the score indicated.  While they never got closer than 6 points, CUA had a few possesions in which they could've made it a two possession game.  'Jackets played excellent D, specifically J.Davis who shut down McDonald. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 08, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
Thats  great win for LeT to remain undefeated....Bearkat, whats the general feeling around the basketball program, fans, and players to having Evers and Smith come off the bench and each only have a limited role? Will it be like that all season? Those two kids could start at almost every other school in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 08, 2008, 03:59:35 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on December 08, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
Thats  great win for LeT to remain undefeated....Bearkat, whats the general feeling around the basketball program, fans, and players to having Evers and Smith come off the bench and each only have a limited role? Will it be like that all season? Those two kids could start at almost every other school in the conference.

The crowds on-campus have been pretty strong considering that our students mostly come for the strong academics and there are finals this week.  Against Southern Arkansas, the gym was close to 60% full, with the visitor's side being empty and our three sections each 90% full. 

The basketball program is very excited to be as far along as they are.  I went on the ASC website and was looking at previous records and it's amazing what Coach Davis and Coach Lewis have done with this program.  I can assure you that NONE of the players are receiving any special attention in a sense of finacial aid or help in the academics.  If you knew the team, you'd be very impressed with young men that the coaching staff have brought in.  Not only have they bought into the basketball concept, they've bought into the University (which can be very hard to do from an athletic standpoint).  Obviously I am very bias, but I think what these men have been able to do here with the amount of support for the athletic program is unbeliveable. 

Evers and Smith are two different stories - Evers hurt his knee at the beginning of the season and therefore they are trying to monitor his minutes as much as possible.  When you watch him play, he still plays the same, but as the season wears on, they want him to remain fresh.  As for Smith, I think it's interesting having him come of the bench b/c I believe he can provide a nice spark to the team if everything is stagnet.  The thing is, the guys that have been starting (Davis, Hayes, Louimus, W.Smith, Rockmore) have played extremly well.  W.Smith is a freak of nature on the defensive side of things and J.Davis is a shut down defender.  Rockmore has played very well at the start of the season.  Wtih that being said, if it's not broke, don't fix it.  I beleive that Evers, after the break, should be inserted back in the starting line-up.  D.Smith needs to play better to find his role in the starting line-up or else he will continue to come off the bench. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 08, 2008, 04:41:47 PM
Should be a great game tonight.  I'm sure the Jackets are chomping at the bit after losing twice to the Cru last year.  UMHB obviously wants to get things moving in the right direction as well after a few stumbles in the early going.

I also agree with most of you about MC, I think they are still the team to beat in the East until they finally relinquish the title.  It should be a great fight though with them, LETU, UTT and UTD battling it out.  Whoever can get that home court advantage for the playoffs will have definitely earned it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 08, 2008, 05:40:12 PM
Frankly, I don't expect MC to only win 9 games either, that's just how it looks so far. The comment about strength of schedule inspired me to steal an idea from footballoutsiders.com. They measure college football SOS by the likelihood an "elite" team would go undefeated against that team's slate. I appropriated what I think is their method and figured the odds that a .500 team would win a game against each team's average opponent thus far. Harder schedules return lower percentages. Turns out the East is apparently much harder than the West so far. Results below.

Team, SOS
1. Concordia-Texas, 25.2%
2. Howard Payne, 37.3%
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 38.1%
4. Texas Lutheran, 42.6%
5. Sul Ross State, 43.9%
6. McMurry, 46.2%
6. Hardin-Simmons, 46.2%
6. Schreiner, 46.2%
9. Texas-Tyler, 51.5%
9. Louisiana College, 51.5%
11. Mississippi College, 52.0%
12. East Texas Baptist, 61.5%
13. Texas-Dallas, 65.2%
13. Ozarks, 65.2%
15. LeTourneau, 74.0%

It doesn't incorporate home/road, and I don't expect it to say much as the season goes on, but it's not a bad snapshot of just how hard everyone's had it in the early going.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 08, 2008, 05:49:21 PM
As long as I'm at it, here's the best offenses and defenses so far by points per 100 possessions. This includes the non-conference games since I don't feel like going from box score to box score adding everything up. Offense is first, then defense. Offensive average is 97.6; defensive is 101.6.

Team, Offensive Rating
1. Texas-Dallas, 116.0
2. Mississippi College, 113.2
3. LeTourneau, 103.6
4. McMurry, 103.1
5. Ozarks, 102.6
6. Texas-Tyler, 101.4
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 99.2
8. Concordia-Texas, 96.7
9. East Texas Baptist, 94.1
10. Texas Lutheran, 93.1
11. Hardin-Simmons, 92.6
12. Louisiana College, 91.3
13. Howard Payne, 90.4
14. Sul Ross State, 87.9
15. Schreiner, 78.8

Team, Defensive Rating
1. Texas-Dallas, 90.8
2. Ozarks, 95.1
3. East Texas Baptist, 96.0
4. LeTourneau, 97.0
5. Schreiner, 97.4
6. Hardin-Simmons, 100.5
7. McMurry, 100.8
8. Sul Ross State, 102.1
9. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 102.5
10. Texas-Tyler, 102.6
11. Louisiana College, 104.5
12. Texas Lutheran, 105.7
13. Mississippi College, 106.4
14. Concordia-Texas, 111.9
15. Howard Payne, 115.9
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 08, 2008, 08:39:34 PM
Ill try my best to update in IN GAME UPDATES
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tennis_cereal_killer on December 09, 2008, 12:49:57 AM
Anybody noticing the Yellowjackets? They're the real deal!!! Hopefully they'll start getting some love in the next voting period. Hello NCAA's...Bob Davis has some real PTP'ers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 09, 2008, 01:22:41 AM
Quote from: tennis_cereal_killer on December 09, 2008, 12:49:57 AM
Anybody noticing the Yellowjackets? They're the real deal!!! Hopefully they'll start getting some love in the next voting period. Hello NCAA's...Bob Davis has some real PTP'ers.
If you remain undefeated until you beat UW-Whitewater at the UMHB tournament after Christmas, then you will start getting some love in the first poll in 2009.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 09, 2008, 08:41:43 AM
etbu lost 93 to 90 to ctx.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on December 09, 2008, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: pedh34 on December 04, 2008, 11:52:19 AM
I will make some picks also...

12/4
HSU over UTT  I know UTT is pumped for this home game. I think they will be in for a shock...
LC over SU
UTD over SRSU
UO over HPU

12/6
MC over SU
UMHB over ETBU
UO over SRSU
UTD over HPU
MCM over UTT
LETU over CUA
LC over TLU

12/8
LeT over UMHB
CUA over ETBU
MC over TLU

Key notes for the week: UTT will go 0-2 at home, UTD will remain unbeaten, MC after starting 0-2 in conference will go 2-0 this week.


This week I went 11-3 picks. Although both of UTT games were at home they really impressed me with two big victories.  UTD and LET has had the same exact conference schedule so far and both teams are 4-0. Both these teams should be getting closer to the top 25. Dale Vanwright averaged 27 points and 10 rebounds this week. Jairus Rockmore continues to step up and play really well. While Josh Davis keeps doing all of the intangibles.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on December 09, 2008, 09:50:55 AM
From above sorry Dale, Jarius, and Josh are all from Letourneau.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 09, 2008, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on December 04, 2008, 10:20:07 AM
12/4
UO over HPU
UTT over HSU
LC over SU
UTD over SRSU

12/6
MC over SU
UMHB over ETBU
SRSU over UO
UTD over HPU
McM over UTT
LeT over CUA
LC over TLU

12/8
LeT over UMHB
CUA over ETBU
MC over TLU


Im also 11-3. Im impressed by UTT's win at home over McMurry and even more shocked that LC lost at home to TLU, I had LC ranked 6th in the east but I was atleast counting on them to beat TLU.  Thinks are looking interesting so far.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 09, 2008, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: tennis_cereal_killer on December 09, 2008, 12:49:57 AM
Anybody noticing the Yellowjackets? They're the real deal!!! Hopefully they'll start getting some love in the next voting period. Hello NCAA's...Bob Davis has some real PTP'ers.

While I'd love LETU to get some national recognition, I don't think they've done enough to do so.  While they've made HUGE strides to where they are, they've got to continue this throughout the year.  Plus, their schedule really favors them this year (like I mentioned in an earlier post).

1) They've beaten an average D2 team - SAU (4-3).  Not taking anything away from the victory and they played a great Ouchiata team on the road.  Probably a game not many people thought we could win.   
2) In conference, the combined records are 6-20 of teams the 'Jackets have played this season.  True, going on the road to SRSU and HPU is never easy, being able to play UMHB and CUA at home played in our advantage.

Let's not take anything away from LETU - I am one of the biggest LETU fans on here.  They are playing great basketball this season and are doing what good teams are supposed to do - beat teams they are suppose to beat.  My thing is, let's not go crowning ANYBODY just yet (including UT-Dallas).  Our true test lie in three weeks @ UMHB Tournament and playing host to good McMurry and HSU teams - teams that I feel we can beat. 

With that said - Great job to Coach Davis.  His boys are playing awesome defense and deserve being mentioned as one of the stronger teams in our conference for this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 09, 2008, 06:55:22 PM
After the second weekend of conference play I am at 7-3. Not too bad.  Picks for this weekend:


Let over SU
CUA over Tyler
SRSU over HPU
TLU over ETBU

ETBU over SU
McM over HSU
Let over TLU
TLU over SU
LC over SRSU
MC over HPU
LC over HPU
SRSU over MC :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 10, 2008, 10:47:43 AM
Congratulations to LETU's Dale Vanwright picking up POW honors.  Was a good week for the 'Jackets, going 2-0 against two very solid teams.  I've been really impressed with the Jacket D they've put on the last couple of weeks.  Best of luck to all our student-athletes in their final exams!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 10, 2008, 02:42:12 PM
I was going through looking at stats for some of the teams.  I noticed ETBU missing some players, a kid named Josh Jefferson who was from Shreveport.  I saw him play in high school and was impressed but he is not on the roster, and neither is the Waters kid they were so high on.  Does anyone know what happened to those players?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 10, 2008, 05:41:55 PM
My Picks for the week

Let over SU...LeT too much talent
Tyler over CUA...Tyler playing good
SRSU over HPU...HPU down and out
ETBU over TLU...ETBU too athletic

ETBU over SU...see above ETBU game
McM over HSU...McM is too big
Let over TLU...LeT too much talent
SU over TLU...who cares
SRSU over LC...LC is terrible
MC over HPU...MC is back
HPU over LC...HPU gets first win
MC over SRSU...better team
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 11, 2008, 12:08:17 PM
My Picks on the rest of the games before Christmas

Let over SU
UTT over CUA.....only if CUA continues to fail to play any defense
SRSU over HPU
ETBU over TLU

ETBU over SU
McM over HSU......unless HSU hits 15 3 pointers, McM is too good.
Let over TLU
TLU over SU
SRSU over LC......might not ever pick LC again after losing to TLU
MC over HPU

HPU over LC......like i said
MC over SRSU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2008, 02:21:29 PM
This is not my profile, but I hope to meet Ralph (and his dad, Ralph) someday (http://athletics.schreiner.edu/MBasketball/Bios/2008-09/mbasketball_bio_rturner.htm)!

Good luck, Ralph!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 11, 2008, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on December 10, 2008, 02:42:12 PM
I was going through looking at stats for some of the teams.  I noticed ETBU missing some players, a kid named Josh Jefferson who was from Shreveport.  I saw him play in high school and was impressed but he is not on the roster, and neither is the Waters kid they were so high on.  Does anyone know what happened to those players?

Jefferson hasnt been with the team the last week.  With the time of year its either grades or discipline.  I honestly do not know.  With Waters I think he was unhappy about his role on the team and will probably be somewhere else next semester.

Waters is a good player, he has not shot the ball very well and came off the bench against concordia after starting most of the early games.  He made a few plays down the stretch of that game, but had a big turnover with :15 left.  Hopefully someone will step up and fill the minutes.

Free throw shooting and 3 pts shooting have been the biggest factors in ETBU's 3 conference losses.
We missed 12 fts against Sul Ross and were 6-23 from 3 point range after going 5-10 in the first half

Against umhb we were 2-17 from 3 pt range and missed 7fts(probably would have lost either even with a better performance)

Against Concordia we missed 14 free throws and were 6-15 from 3pt range(thanks to turnipseeds 5-9)(condordia shot 11 for 23 from 3 pt range and hit 7 in a row in a 3 minutes span in the first half)


I still think our team is much better than last year, and it will need to be as the schedule gets tougher.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on December 11, 2008, 06:42:53 PM
My Picks:
CUA over Tyler upset?
Let over SU
SRSU over HPU
TLU over ETBU upset?

ETBU over SU
McM over HSU
Let over TLU
TLU over SU
SRSU overLC
MC over HPU
HPU over LC
MC over SRSU 

Can Tyler keep up their play in Austin? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 11, 2008, 08:43:08 PM
Seems like UTD, UTT, and LeT are all undeafeted so I started looking at their schedules to see who has had the easiest one so far in conference.

UTD played @UMHB, @CTX, home vs SRSU, home vs HPU
UTT played @ TLU, @SU, home vs HS, home vs McM
LeT played @HPU, @SRSU, home vs CTX, home vs MHB


HPU, SRSU, TLU, SU are all doing poorly this year so wins against those teams should not be counted as highly as wins against the others. The second best grouping is CTX and MHB at 2-2. LeT played them at home which isn't as good as beating them on road like UTD did.

Now the two best teams in the West record wise would be HS and McM. UTT beat both of these teams but both were home games.

Therefore I would have to say that UTD has had the toughest schedule because they had to beat UMHB and CTX on the road. UTT would be second because they beat the two best teams even though it was at home. LeT has won against the lower end of the division on the road and the second group at home so they would be last.

Again, this is just my opinion of how the East is shaking out so far. I still believe that MC will come back and contend and that my boys, Ozarks, have a shot at getting into the tourny. UTD goes on the road after Christmas against the two best (HS and McM). If they wins those two games they should be ranked ahead of the other two.

ETBU seems to be having some inner turmoil amidst all that athleticism and talent... and LC has one good player and some decent guys I might choose for my pick up game tomorrow night. I think it is going to be a five team race for 4 spots.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 13, 2008, 06:23:47 PM
LETU - 89
SU - 57
FINAL

Vanwright w/21pts
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 05:25:30 PM
UL-Lafayette 85, LaCollege 58 (http://www.lcwildcats.net/index.asp?path=mbball)

This was an exhibition game for LaCollege and a regular game for ULL.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on December 14, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
Hey guys...new here.  I follow LeTourneau very closely.  Look forward to some great discussions/banter in the future.

TheBuzz
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2008, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on December 14, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
Hey guys...new here.  I follow LeTourneau very closely.  Look forward to some great discussions/banter in the future.

TheBuzz
Welcome Buzz!

Really big high-profile game against UW-Whitewater after Christmas...

Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2008, 10:18:25 AM
Looking @ LETU's big win against SU -

*SU shot 17 more free throws than LETU (an oddity for sure in a blowout win).
*SU pulled down 17 total rebounds compared to LETU's 38
*LETU had assists on more than half their baskets - 19 assists to 37 baskets.
*12 Steals for the Jackets
*Smith, Evers, and Vanwright score in double figures for the first time all season, somethign I think we all were expecting to happen a little more often. 

Looking forward to tonight's game against TLU, who is coming off a nice win against ETBU.  Definitly can not take the Bulldogs lightly. 

Looking at TLU - ETBU game - why didn't Melvin Brewer play more than 9 minutes?  Did he get hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2008, 10:21:06 AM
On my comment above - I guess Brewer has jsut been benched.  He played against Schreiner on Sunday.

ETBU - 85
SU - 64
FINAL

4 of 5 ETBU starters score in double figures for Tigers. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2008, 09:43:17 PM
UT-Dallas #24!

Trinity #22!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 16, 2008, 09:13:42 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on December 15, 2008, 10:21:06 AM
On my comment above - I guess Brewer has jsut been benched.  He played against Schreiner on Sunday.

ETBU - 85
SU - 64
FINAL

4 of 5 ETBU starters score in double figures for Tigers. 

Probably has more to do with Corvaniel Johnson and Dennis Jones being back in the fold.  The guard spot is pretty crowded for the tigers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 16, 2008, 09:59:22 AM
Nice to see LeT letting their best player play....Smith with 18 points off of 7 shots, great efficiency. This team is doing a great job and their coach must be proud but if I had all that talent on my roster I would be winning games by 40. They have 4 players who should not be at the d3 level in Smith, Vanwright, Evers, and Rockmore. Add a solid point guard in Hayes and some nice athletes and they have a great team. It will be hard to beat them this year. All you LeT guys on this website should be very excited.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2008, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on December 16, 2008, 09:59:22 AM
Nice to see LeT letting their best player play....Smith with 18 points off of 7 shots, great efficiency. This team is doing a great job and their coach must be proud but if I had all that talent on my roster I would be winning games by 40. They have 4 players who should not be at the d3 level in Smith, Vanwright, Evers, and Rockmore. Add a solid point guard in Hayes and some nice athletes and they have a great team. It will be hard to beat them this year. All you LeT guys on this website should be very excited.
The big game for LeTU is the Whitewater game.

UWW is a known quantity and nationally recognized, year after year.

Playing at UMHB is a "friendly-neutral" court for LeTU.  Let's hope that they win.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gccfan on December 16, 2008, 10:47:55 AM
I finally got to watch LeTourneau play last night and it was the second time I had seen TLU.  I thought TLU had a good game plan, employing a run and jump in the early going that the Jackets weren't prepared for.  The Jackets did show a calm that has not been there in recent years and put on a nice run in the second half.  Dewones Smith had his best game of the year and Will Smith was great on the defensive end.  Vanright made some unreal passes down the stretch.  Hayes is still out with an injury and Evers is battling through some sort of leg injury that has slowed him down a bit, but with Vanright he doesn't have to score as much.  I was looking at the LETU bench to start the game and four starters from last year were on it (D. Smith, Louimeus, Majors and Hayes).  I think Davis' biggest concern is to get a good rotation going.  TLU is definitely much improved, but just don't have an inside game that can stop the top teams in the conference, give them Tommy Stolhandske from a few years ago and they would be a playoff contender.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 16, 2008, 01:51:55 PM
My Wildcats had a tough loss at a D1.  Hopefully we can bounce back the second half and get going. As for my picks:

Let over SU-Correct
CUA over Tyler-Correct
SRSU over HPU-Incorrect
TLU over ETBU-Correct

ETBU over SU-Correct
McM over HSU-Correct
Let over TLU-Correct
TLU over SU
LC over SRSU
MC over HPU
LC over HPU
SRSU over MC


Brings me to 13-4 with the last five to be played.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 16, 2008, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on December 16, 2008, 09:59:22 AM
Nice to see LeT letting their best player play....Smith with 18 points off of 7 shots, great efficiency. This team is doing a great job and their coach must be proud but if I had all that talent on my roster I would be winning games by 40. They have 4 players who should not be at the d3 level in Smith, Vanwright, Evers, and Rockmore. Add a solid point guard in Hayes and some nice athletes and they have a great team. It will be hard to beat them this year. All you LeT guys on this website should be very excited.

While D.Smith is their best athlete, he is by no means their best "basketball" player.  He has started the season off slow b/c of an ankle injury and when he came back too early, he started forcing things.   I think this road trip was good for him finally getting out of the blocks.  Against CUA and UMHB, he tried so hard to force things during the game and would make some very ill-advised TO's.  I am hoping that sitting for a while like he has will only motivate him to make himself a better "basketball" player.  We all know the guy can score as he's done so at LETU (over a 1,000 career points).   

For them, it's been a string of injuries that have plagued them, preventing them from getting together.  Evers has a bum knee, Hayes has a severly sprained ankle, D.Smith is coming off a severly sprained ankle and Rockmore has been banged up.  Thus, the rotation has been a little skewed these first few games.  J.Davis has done an amazing job at the PG position for LETU and I think in the last 4 games, the roation is starting to play itself out.

As for not winning by 40, I think that's a compliment to our strong our league is.  Most of the better teams should have 3-4 guys that could play @ the next level - i.e. MC, McM, UTD, UTT to name a few.  I bet all of us on this board could name a few guys that could even go play small D1 - possibly Josh Johnson?  I think we are finally seeing that between D2 & D3, there aren't a whole lot of differences outside the depth of the team.  (I am not saying that every D3 school could compete w/a D2 school, just saying that there aren't a whole lot of differences). 

With all that being said - it's fun to see LETU getting recognition on this board and fellow fans posting.  I hope they can keep up against UWW - who by the way on their schedule, are already planning to play the winner of the UMHB - LFF game - http://www.uwwsports.com/schedules.asp?path=mbball (http://www.uwwsports.com/schedules.asp?path=mbball).  The guys on the team already saw this and are somewhat motivated by this.  Hopefully both LETU and UMHB represent the ASC well. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on December 16, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
I'm new to the D3 scene in that this is my first year to follow LETU and attend games.  That being said, does a team like LETU have a good chance of beating a team like UWW?  How good is a top 10 D3 team?  Would it be a huge upset if LETU won?

One more thing.  Given the success Bob Davis has had in turning around LETU, what are the chances a larger school tries to hire him?  Do D3 coaches stay at a school long if they experience quick success?  Love the forum.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2008, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on December 16, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
I'm new to the D3 scene in that this is my first year to follow LETU and attend games.  That being said, does a team like LETU have a good chance of beating a team like UWW? 

If LeTU is that good of a team, then yes they have a chance.

How good is a top 10 D3 team? 

Better than UMHB last year.  Better than Mississippi College almost every year.  We may have to go back to the 2000 McMurry team to find a team that good.  A top 10 D-3 team will sneak up on a mid-level D-1.

Would it be a huge upset if LETU won?

Huge upset in the eyes of UWW fans.  A good win and for a "Top 10 ASC team".


One more thing.  Given the success Bob Davis has had in turning around LETU, what are the chances a larger school tries to hire him?

SRSU won the West in 2004 and 2005 and made the Sweet 16 in 2004.  Coach Rudy Davalos is now head coach at UTSA.

Do D3 coaches stay at a school long if they experience quick success?

The coach of  HPU's national champion women was at HPU for 7 (?) years.  He took at D2 job in Iowa to move closer to home last spring.  ETBU's women's coach won the East in 2007 and then took a D2 job at U-Missouri St Louis.

Love the forum.

Glad to have you on the boards!  +1!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 16, 2008, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on December 16, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
I'm new to the D3 scene in that this is my first year to follow LETU and attend games.  That being said, does a team like LETU have a good chance of beating a team like UWW?  How good is a top 10 D3 team?  Would it be a huge upset if LETU won?

One more thing.  Given the success Bob Davis has had in turning around LETU, what are the chances a larger school tries to hire him?  Do D3 coaches stay at a school long if they experience quick success?  Love the forum.

To follow on Ralph's comments:
LETU does have an opportunity to beat a UWW team.  I believe LETU will be more athletic, however, UWW should be more disciplined in their play.  I also forsee UWW being a better shooting team. 

A top 10 D3 team is a usually a team that plays sound, fundamental basketball.  They may have one SUPERSTAR, however, plenty of role players and a very strong BENCH (thinking of the Calvin teams a few years back). 

While it would be an upset, I don't think it would be a huge upset.  LETU is a 7-1 team that has beaten a D2 team this year and played close to the #20 D2 team in the country.  They have one D1 transfer.  I believe that if Vanwright can have a huge game, Smith can come off the bench and contribute, the Jackets have a great shot at winning.  While winning or losing this game will NOT define their season, it will help us in gauging them as well as the ASC IMHO. 

IMHO - this will be Coach Davis's last stop in the coaching realm.  He's done a great job with this program and considering his coaching career, this would be a great place to finish it. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 17, 2008, 06:59:47 PM
lets go LeT then
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 18, 2008, 09:24:56 AM
Choctaws finally back in action tonight at Howard Payne on the dreaded Brownwood-Alpine trip.  I think they rode camels this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 18, 2008, 11:26:09 PM
MC with another loss.....tough start to the conference
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 19, 2008, 09:23:38 AM
Very bad start.  They have had the two toughest road trips (arguably) to start with.  Still have to go to SRSU.  Not sure what the problem is, maybe Chris can enlighten us a little.  Looks like they played pretty good defense only giving up 71.  I don't think we have ever started 2-3 in conference or possibly ever even had a losing record in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2008, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: kid nice on December 19, 2008, 09:23:38 AM
Very bad start.  They have had the two toughest road trips (arguably) to start with.  Still have to go to SRSU.  Not sure what the problem is, maybe Chris can enlighten us a little.  Looks like they played pretty good defense only giving up 71.  I don't think we have ever started 2-3 in conference or possibly ever even had a losing record in conference.
Here is one question that I am not sure where to get the answer this morning, but have there been some players who are no longer with Mississippi College?

There are some former Choctaw players who did not lose 3 conference games in their careers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 19, 2008, 09:36:12 AM
Ralph, good luck today in the matchup between your school and North Central from the CCIW!  Should be interesting to see what happens. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 19, 2008, 10:16:42 AM
Has MC ever not made the conference tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 19, 2008, 10:30:01 AM
Ralph i don't know the answer to that question but these results do make you wonder.  Havent heard anything from Chris on here in a while which also makes me curious.  I don't think we have ever missed the conference tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2008, 10:54:07 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 19, 2008, 09:36:12 AM
Ralph, good luck today in the matchup between your school and North Central from the CCIW!  Should be interesting to see what happens. 
Thanks TitanQ.

I always use the CCIW as a yardstick!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 19, 2008, 11:49:31 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2008, 09:33:06 AM
Here is one question that I am not sure where to get the answer this morning, but have there been some players who are no longer with Mississippi College?

There are some former Choctaw players who did not lose 3 conference games in their careers.

Ralph,
   There are a few players not here, or not playing. I think I listed 6 newcomers earlier this year who would have an impact. Two of those are not on the team. One, a talented PG, decided not to play this year. A second player, a 6'4" guard who was a former Second Team All-State player in MS, had eligibiilty issues and will miss this season.

   We are also playing without two of our better players right now who are out for a couple weeks. Two 6'7" forwards, Brian Johnson and Mark Wilson, are expected back in early January. Brian was our leading scorer and Mark was beginning to play extremely well after transferring in, he started in the MS JUCO All-Star game last year.

   One other player, E. C. Williams, had an ankle injury that was pretty severe early this year and he decided to hang it up for this season. He is a 6'5" guard who made the ASC All-Freshman team last year.

   So I guess we're a little short right now, but every team has to deal with injuries. We've been fortunate with that stuff the last few years, but we've been snakebit so far this season. Hopefully, we'll get a win Saturday and regroup over the holidays.

   Regarding the other question, we have never missed the ASC Tournament. Off the top of my head, we've won the ASC East Division in 8 of the last 9 years, the only year we didn't was the ETBU year but we ended up winning the ASC Tournament. Last year was actually the first year that we did not play in the ASC Tournament Championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on December 19, 2008, 12:03:22 PM
Thanks for the info Chris.  I was hoping we had some injuries or something.  Thats amazing that last year was the 1st time we havent been in the championship game.  We just need to stay in the top 4 and make the tournament and anything can happen.  Coach Lofton can get the team where they need to be.  Trying to get up for the court dedication game and will see you then. 

P.S.   The board is hopping today
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 19, 2008, 12:24:09 PM
Let over SU-Correct
CUA over Tyler-Correct
SRSU over HPU-Incorrect
TLU over ETBU-Correct

ETBU over SU-Correct
McM over HSU-Correct
Let over TLU-Correct
TLU over SU-Incorrect
LC over SRSU-Incorrect
MC over HPU-Incorrect :o
LC over HPU
SRSU over MC


Brings me to 13-7 with two to go until Christmas.  This is turning into another crazy year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 19, 2008, 01:04:33 PM
MC is 2-3 and LC is 1-4.........its going to be a long ride home and a long break if they both dont get wins tonight. They are putting themselves in an early hole along with ETBU, who is 2-4. Top teams in the East look like they are starting to seperate....things in the West still look tight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 19, 2008, 02:54:21 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on December 19, 2008, 01:04:33 PM
MC is 2-3 and LC is 1-4.........its going to be a long ride home and a long break if they both dont get wins tonight. They are putting themselves in an early hole along with ETBU, who is 2-4. Top teams in the East look like they are starting to seperate....things in the West still look tight.

I too was a little shocked to see MC losing to HPU - but I go back to the fact that is a VERY tough road trip.  You can throw out the records on when heading to Brownwood and Alpine, espically when you are MC and LC. 

LETU was hit hard with injuries last year and early this year.  Still missing J.Hayes, who could be out until middle of January.  He's in a walking boot right now.  Excited about the match-up with UWW.  Hopeful that UMHB and LETU represent the ASC well in a few weeks. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 19, 2008, 11:58:44 PM
Yeah that is a tought roadtrip but other teams have made it this yr and went 2-0. Teams last year went 2-0 on that road trip when HPU was playing a lot better so I dont think that can be an excuse. I think the HSU and McM is a harder roadtrip because the teams are better
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 20, 2008, 06:48:12 PM
Let over SU-Correct
CUA over Tyler-Correct
SRSU over HPU-Incorrect
TLU over ETBU-Correct

ETBU over SU-Correct
McM over HSU-Correct
Let over TLU-Correct
TLU over SU-Incorrect
LC over SRSU-Incorrect
MC over HPU-Incorrect
LC over HPU-Incorrect
SRSU over MC-Incorrect


Brings me to 13-9, I picked the wrong upset. Got off to a good start but my picks have faltered.  My Wildcats are really struggling, guess we will be in a battle at the bottom with ole ETBwho this year.  We beat them twice last year so maybe we can do it again!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2008, 07:23:06 PM
http://www.sulross.edu/docs/athletics/mb122008.htm

SRSU 62, LaCollege 59

Miss Coll 68, SRSU 58

Updates.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2008, 08:15:09 PM
http://hsuathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/index

Interesting...

I note that HSU has added a "26th" contest to their schedule, a game on Dec 30th versus the "Alumni".    ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 21, 2008, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on December 19, 2008, 11:58:44 PM
Yeah that is a tought roadtrip but other teams have made it this yr and went 2-0. Teams last year went 2-0 on that road trip when HPU was playing a lot better so I dont think that can be an excuse. I think the HSU and McM is a harder roadtrip because the teams are better

If you haven't seen the HPU men play in person their last 3 games, don't count them short.  They have a lot of new young talent that are playing very well.  They're playing as well, if not better than last year, and their improving each and every game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on December 21, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Ralph,

Does McMurry have a mascot?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 21, 2008, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on December 11, 2008, 12:08:17 PM
My Picks on the rest of the games before Christmas

Let over SU
UTT over CUA.....only if CUA continues to fail to play any defense
SRSU over HPU
ETBU over TLU

ETBU over SU
McM over HSU......unless HSU hits 15 3 pointers, McM is too good.
Let over TLU
TLU over SU
SRSU over LC......might not ever pick LC again after losing to TLU
MC over HPU

HPU over LC......like i said
MC over SRSU

18-8 on the year.......... 3 good wins by HPU.........Good Luck Comets in Abilene after the break
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 21, 2008, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on December 21, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Ralph,

Does McMurry have a mascot?

I believe they were the Indians but NCAA made them get rid of that nickname and they never got a new one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 09:17:59 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on December 21, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Ralph,

Does McMurry have a mascot?
We gave up any Indian Mascot back in the early mid 1990's

When the NCAA pushed us about our nickname, they said that we had not demonstrated a hostile environment, but that we could not guarantee that one might not arise.

The university decided to drop the nickname and go without one.

An unofficial nickname for the women is L(adies) I(n) B(asketball) LIB.

McMurry teams are now known as the McMurry Men's Basketball Team, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on December 21, 2008, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2008, 09:17:59 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on December 21, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Ralph,

Does McMurry have a mascot?
We gave up any Indian Mascot back in the early mid 1990's

When the NCAA pushed us about our nickname, they said that we had not demonstrated a hostile environment, but that we could not guarantee that one might not arise.

The university decided to drop the nickname and go without one.

An unofficial nickname for the women is L(adies) I(n) B(asketball) LIB.

McMurry teams are now known as the McMurry Men's Basketball Team, etc.
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 21, 2008, 11:48:57 PM
interesting...i did not know that
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 22, 2008, 08:13:51 AM
Larger schools didn't give into the NCAA.  "Fighting" Irish, Raggin Cajuns, etc.  McMurry should have stood their ground.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on December 22, 2008, 08:13:51 AM
Larger schools didn't give into the NCAA.  "Fighting" Irish, Raggin Cajuns, etc.  McMurry should have stood their ground.
We looked at the options.  The Board of Trustees could not justify the use of resources on the legal expense.

We did not have a specific tribe with which we could align.  Perhaps the closest alignment historically would have been the Kaw tribe, of which there are several "tribes", and the tribe McMurry founding president Hunt grew up with is not "Texan or New Mexican".

Here is my blog on the issue...

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2006/05/20/about-mcmurrys-indians/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on December 22, 2008, 09:57:15 AM
Huh - interesting fact on the McM nickname.  I too did not realize that they didn't have a nickname and in fact would've still assumed it was the Indians. 

With that being said, any chance they will be incorporating a nickname in the near future?  How about the McMurry Armadillos ;D!  Sticks w/the Texas theme and how sweet would it be to have an armadillo running around the arena during games!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on December 22, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
I understand about the finances of legal fees.  It's a shame the richer schools can get by with things, and they end up punishing the small schools.  I never saw any smoke signals in Brown Co, which would have implied a hostile environment up in Abilene due to the mascot name.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on December 22, 2008, 05:22:52 PM
Bearkat00,

Your assumption that McM was still the Indians was probably the intended effect that McM wanted in not picking a new nickname.  By not picking a new one, they are still the Indians...in a round about way.  Pretty wise on their part!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on December 22, 2008, 06:23:19 PM
So Im guessing the Choctaws stood up for MC an said the nickname was ok? I know a D2 school north of where I live an their nicknames were the savages and they changed it to the savage storm........so things could be worse lol
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on December 22, 2008, 06:23:19 PM
So Im guessing the Choctaws stood up for MC an said the nickname was ok? I know a D2 school north of where I live an their nicknames were the savages and they changed it to the savage storm........so things could be worse lol
The Choctaws established an affiliation with the Mississippi tribe (not the Oklahoma tribe) of the Choctaws.

I believe that they no longer abbreviate the name Choctaw to "Chocs" in consideration of that agreement.

(MC fans, please jump in here.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: rimrocker on December 22, 2008, 05:22:52 PM
Bearkat00,

Your assumption that McM was still the Indians was probably the intended effect that McM wanted in not picking a new nickname.  By not picking a new one, they are still the Indians...in a round about way.  Pretty wise on their part!
We have so many traditions that are woven into the school's culture.

Tipi Village at Homecoming has been going on since 1951.  That is a living history and cultural diversity event.  How much more real can it be than to try to emulate the culture of another people?  Josh Bowerman knows what it means.  He helped his wife's sorority erect their tipi.  Alumni return to Homecoming every year to make sure that the new members erect the tipi correctly.

It is my fraternity that was bequeathed the ceremonial regalia (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/10/11/1311/a-bigger-homecoming.html) belonging to an Oglala chief who lived in DFW after his death.  The outfit is spectacularly beautiful.  Inspecting the handiwork in the garment yields amazement.  The regalia is priceless in value.

The statue on the university commons is a native American.

We send students at spring break to do service projects up in the Four Corners area.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 22, 2008, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2008, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on December 22, 2008, 06:23:19 PM
So Im guessing the Choctaws stood up for MC an said the nickname was ok? I know a D2 school north of where I live an their nicknames were the savages and they changed it to the savage storm........so things could be worse lol
The Choctaws established an affiliation with the Mississippi tribe (not the Oklahoma tribe) of the Choctaws.

I believe that they no longer abbreviate the name Choctaw to "Chocs" in consideration of that agreement.

(MC fans, please jump in here.)
Ralph,
    You are right, the schools that were able to keep their mascots were the ones who had an affiliation with a particular tribe that offered support of the mascot.

   We do have a very good relationship with the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians and their support was instrumental in us keeping the nickname. They are proud that we use it. The NCAA matter gave us an opportunity to make that a better relationship and we have a lot of dialogue with them about how we portray the Choctaw image.

   We no longer use the abbreviated "Chocs" nickname and try to request media to do the same. I would add this, there are a lot of phrases and terms they like us to use that would probably surprise some people. They are very proud of their heritage and encourage us to use it where appropriate as long as it was part of their particular tribe, and not someone else.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 24, 2008, 01:25:36 PM
Does anyone have any updates as to schools losing kids to grades or kids transfering in and out at semester?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on December 26, 2008, 10:47:03 PM
Does anyone know if the games from the tournament at UMHB (Dec. 29-30) will be broadcast on the internet?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2008, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on December 26, 2008, 10:47:03 PM
Does anyone know if the games from the tournament at UMHB (Dec. 29-30) will be broadcast on the internet?
UMHB may do livestats for its games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2008, 06:57:48 PM
Anderson IN (HCAC) 84, at TLU 79.

Bulldogs cut it to one in the last couple of minutes and missed 2 3FG's to tie in the last 30 secs.

Anderson was picked 2nd in the pre-season poll, so this may be a good showing.  I wish that TLU had won.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on December 30, 2008, 10:55:07 PM
UMHB gets a big win over #6 Whitewater tonight 73-67  behind 31 pts from Tillman Gaddy.  Good win for the ASC as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on December 30, 2008, 11:01:22 PM
Not a bad birthday present for Tilmon, go Cru! Hopefully this will be a good start to what this season was supposed to be.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2008, 12:19:36 PM
Congratulations, UMHB!  Nice win for you and the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on December 31, 2008, 06:39:04 PM
great win for the conference....looks like UMHB has added some players if I am reading the box score correctly. I guess they are admitting failure in the first semester of the season and have come back strong with reinforcements. Should be a great West race now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2008, 07:32:16 PM
CTX 86, Worcester Polytechnic Institute 85 (http://wpi.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/news/mbb123108news)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 01, 2009, 03:14:48 PM
My picks for this weekend and monday.

UMHB over UTT....... looks like UMHB is on a roll

HSU over Ozarks
McM over UTD........could go either way, hopefully comets will win

UTD over HSU
McM over Ozarks
UMHB over CTX..... UMHB shoots the ball too well
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 01, 2009, 06:20:59 PM
I'll give my picks as well.

UMHB over Tyler..they are at home
HSU over UO
McMurry over Dallas...upset sort of, I think Dallas is ready to lose a couple

Dallas over HSU...bounce back from losing to McMurry
McM over UO
Concordia over UMHB...they are at home and they shoot it well too.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 01, 2009, 06:56:26 PM
My picks for the weekend

UMHB over Tyler...UMHB has too much size for Tyler
UO over HSU.... Ozarks gets a big win
UTD over McM....structure and discipline over athletes in this one

UTD over HSU...UTD defense is too good
McM over UO...Ozarks plays hard but loses a tough one
UMHB over CTX...UMHB riding high with their new additions in 2009

UMHB and UTD going 2-0 for the weekend. UTD stays in first place and UMHB slowly climbs back to where they were last season
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 01, 2009, 06:57:38 PM
I think me and you ASCFANMAN should stop picking our own teams haha. I guess LC doesnt play this week but everytime I pick OU they lose. I guess the smart guy from UTD picks against his team and they win....I may adapt my style.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 01, 2009, 07:43:45 PM
I believe this is my first time to pick against UTD, but im only tryin to better my record. Im sure Ralphs comment about how tough the Abilene roadtrip is will come anytime now! Best of luck to the comments tho. And as for ASCFANMAN, he will never pick LC to lose and well we all know what ends up happening.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 12:34:17 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 01, 2009, 07:43:45 PM
I believe this is my first time to pick against UTD, but I'm only trying to better my record. I'm sure Ralph's comment about how tough the Abilene roadtrip is will come anytime now! Best of luck to the comments tho. And as for ASCFANMAN, he will never pick LC to lose and well we all know what ends up happening.
Intimidation...   8)
Have a safe trip!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 02, 2009, 10:05:58 AM
I have to pick my team! I am a die hard!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 02, 2009, 10:13:38 AM
Happy New Year to all!

Figure I'd give an update on my side of things here at LETU:

Congrats to UMHB for doing something LETU couldn't do UWW.  While LETU was down by 21 at half, they battled all the way back in the second half and got the game within 5 in the last minute.  They then had an uninspired win against Lake Forest the next day to go 1-1 in the Classic.  I am glad to see UMHB took care of business and represented the ASC well.  For the most part, both teams represented the ASC strongly.  Considering that LETU was picked very low in our conference, they proved that the play in ASC is improving.  Give credit for UWW to come down here after Christmas break and play in the tournament.  I am sure that is a very tough trip for them.

D.Smith is starting to come around and accept his role from off the bench.  Has played VERY well the last four games and is showing why he has been the leading scorer for this team since he has arrived on-campus four years ago.  Evers has continued his consisitent play through the year.  The last two games saw Vanwright not play up to his potential, which is good and bad.  The bad part, if Vanwright plays like he has been playing, I think that UWW game is a little closer throughout the game than just the last few minutes.  The good - if the Vanwright can get it going by Jan. 8th and Smith and Evers continue to play well, LETU could do some damage on our side of the conference.  

Still, if you would've told this LETU fan that we would be sitting 8-2, 6-0 in conference play with our two losses coming to the #16 D2 in the country (Ouachita Baptist, 9-3) and the #5 D3 team in the Country (UWW, 10-2) before the seasons starting - I'd chuckle at you!  However, we've pulled it off and played good basketball.  Still a long season to play, but so far it's been a good one!  Hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the New Year and are doing better in their Bowl Pick 'Em than I am!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 02, 2009, 09:18:45 PM
I guess Cru from earlier in the week was right, I would hate to be Kenny Bizot at UT Tyler getting ready to play UMHB! ;D

UT T must be tough, they lose all of their non conference games but beat up on the conference, hard to figure them out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 09:36:15 PM
In a very tough ASC-West, I like that UT-Tyler beat UMHB (and McM beat UT-Tyler).

Now McMurry needs to beat UT-Dallas tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 03, 2009, 12:01:35 AM
I kind of hoped that stupid comment would bite Cru in the behind.  Never call out a Choctaw
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 03, 2009, 01:14:16 AM
Must have been a great win by UT-Tyler.....Mr. Turner I think your comment is wrong though. I thought UT-Tyler beat McM already. Is that not correct?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2009, 01:18:20 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on January 03, 2009, 01:14:16 AM
Must have been a great win by UT-Tyler.....Mr. Turner I think your comment is wrong though. I thought UT-Tyler beat McM already. Is that not correct?
Ouch!  The McM men did lose to UT-Tyler and beat HSU!  (The women edged UT-Tyler and lost to HSU!)

Thanks!  Corrections are always appreciated! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 03, 2009, 03:22:51 PM
Great win for UT Tyler, its hard to figure them out but I guess I should stop picking against them.
Looking at the box score I see that Tilmon Gaddy had 15 and 6 were from the free throw line. Cru probably feels pretty stupid about his post right now. Looks like that MC education did Bizot well or someone forgot to tell gaddy that they had a game yesterday. Im curious to know how they guarded him since I thought UTT was a fairly small team. Box score shows they only played 8 people.

Big game for my Comets today!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 03, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
great game for Ozarks....way to get in them on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1wildcatfan on January 04, 2009, 12:12:00 AM
Congrats to the LC men's team tonight they beat Pensacola Christian 80-61. Josh Johnson posted a double-double with 16 points and 11 boards.

Congrats to Josh for winning player of the week for the second time this season!

LC has a big game this Thursday against UMHB at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 12:30:43 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on January 03, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
great game for Ozarks....way to get in them on the road.
UOz-HSU boxscore (http://www.hsuathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/2008-09/stats/HSUM9.HTM)
The game is much closer than the score indicates.

The turning point that I notice is that HSU guard Terrance Willis commits his 4th and 5th fouls at 4:15 and 2:02 left in the game.  The scores at that time are HSU 76-75 and 78-77 HSU.  UOz hits 8 FT's and gets a layup in the final 2:02, and HSU fails to score after a Wooten layup at 3:49.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
The East hosts the tourney this year, and it looks like UTD will be the venue.

That is a very solid UTD team.  They do not beat themselves.

The pressure is on Mississippi College this week to beat CTX and UMHB.

Those are critical series.

Curiously, as a McMurry fan, I need LaCollege and MissCollege to beat both teams to extend McMurry's lead in the West.

If CTX beats UMHB tomorrow night, and UMHB only splits the road trip, McMurry coudl have a 4 game lead on UMHB (if McM takes care of business against UOz, LeTU and ETBU.  Those teams have always given us trouble!)

JMHO, interdivision games should not count towards the division title!  Yes, I would love to have a 4-game lead on UMHB with 13 to play!

The key to beating UTD is getting the Comets deep bench!  The Comets first 7 players are smart solid players.  Therefore, if I think that I have more depth than UTD, I want to catch them as late in the conference tourney as possible.

As for Pool C bids, I think that UTD is the only one that has a chance at Pool C (at-large) bid.  Everyone else needs to win the tourney to earn a playoff bid.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 04, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
Interesting assesment. You think UTD has the East division locked up already? LeT is playing great and still undefeated. I think it is too early to decide between those two teams, Mississippi College will come back strong, and UT-Tyler is hanging around there. I'm just hoping that MC falls apart and Ozarks gets in that tourny.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 04, 2009, 10:04:39 PM
waaaaaaaaay too early to be declaring MY Comets the division winner. Like ASCfan said, LeT is still undefeated and they have McM at home. UTT dominated us both games last year. Hopefully it was because of the players an not the coaching. An you should never count MC out this early.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 11:29:34 PM
My thoughts on the ASC-East...

I saw UTD totally dominate Guilford, a quality team from the best conference in the South Region.  I have seen UTD whip SRSU.  I heard the McM-UTD game. 

I have not seen or heard LeTU, but have followed them on this site.  I know that they lost to a quality UWW team. (In fact, I wonder if LeTU was the team that "softened" them up for a rested UMHB to pick off the next night!)  UWW doesn't beat themselves.  I believe that same thing about UTD.  They are as smart and disciplined a team as we see in the ASC.  I don't think that UTD loses to LeTU.  LeTU might beat UTD in one game, but I don't think that UTD is beaten more than three times this season.

I know it's early, but what the hey!  Here are my picks even before the crossover games finish.   ;)

UTD goes 17-3.  LeTU goes 16-4.  Mississippi College goes 15-5.  I am not sure who the 4th team in the ASC-East will be.

Comments please.


My bad...

UTT goes 15-5.  There are the 4 playoff teams from the East.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 05, 2009, 10:00:42 AM
I've never been one to get excited about picking who will win the conference and host, records, etc. for the simple fact that in the last nine years of ASC basketball, there have always been suprises. 

To follow up on Ralph's comments about the East - I do believe that LETU has the opportunity to beat any team they play.  The problem they've faced is that they haven't been able to get their "big three" on the same page. 

In the UWW loss - and once again, not taking anything away from UWW - Vanwright doesn't really establish himself like he has in conference play.  34 minutes, 10 points, 2 assist, 5 turnovers.  If you think he has anything close to resembling his consistent play in conference, this might be a tighter game.  With that being said, to be down 21 and to fight back, I took that as a positivie away from this game. 

All in all - it'll be good for LETU to play against McM on Saturday.  I think this will give us a true gauge of how well we handle some of the spotlight. 

BTW - it would be pretty cool if LETU hosted the tournament.  Talk about finally bringing some excitement to the University from an athletic standpoint.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 05, 2009, 10:00:42 AM
I've never been one to get excited about picking who will win the conference and host, records, etc. for the simple fact that in the last nine years of ASC basketball, there have always been suprises. 

To follow up on Ralph's comments about the East - I do believe that LETU has the opportunity to beat any team they play.  The problem they've faced is that they haven't been able to get their "big three" on the same page. 

In the UWW loss - and once again, not taking anything away from UWW - Vanwright doesn't really establish himself like he has in conference play.  34 minutes, 10 points, 2 assist, 5 turnovers.  If you think he has anything close to resembling his consistent play in conference, this might be a tighter game.  With that being said, to be down 21 and to fight back, I took that as a positivie away from this game. 

All in all - it'll be good for LETU to play against McM on Saturday.  I think this will give us a true gauge of how well we handle some of the spotlight. 

BTW - it would be pretty cool if LETU hosted the tournament.  Talk about finally bringing some excitement to the University from an athletic standpoint.   
Yeah, but Bearcat, this year is LeTU's best year to date.  You have the best chance that I can remember to go deep into the playoffs.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 05, 2009, 03:26:11 PM
Going by Ralphs predictions an looking at the results, its very clear that the East is the better division. McM seems like they are the only threat in the West and how good are they away from home? They lost to UTT on the road and they have LeT on the road this weekend. Looking at the West records its possible that there will only be 1 team with less than 4 losses after this weekend. While there could be 3 from the East with 1 loss or less.

Hopefully my Comets will bounce back tonight against the Cowboys.
Also interested to see how UMHB does tonight, they won by 55 then beat #6 in the nation then lost to Tyler at home. No one would have guessed they might start 2-4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2009, 07:47:21 PM
Fans, I like the respect that the ASC got in this week's poll.

UTD lost on the road at McMurry.  The voters recognized that the Abilene road trip is a tough one, so a 2-point loss did not hurt them.   They dropped 25 votes and one place (from 23 to 24).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 05, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
UMHB over Tyler-Incorrect
HSU over UO-Incorrect
McMurry over Dallas-Correct

Dallas over HSU...bounce back from losing to McMurry
McM over UO
Concordia over UMHB...they are at home and they shoot it well too.

Brings me to 14-11 with tonights games, I need to win a few to get the total up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 06, 2009, 12:51:09 AM
MC had a nice game tonight beating NAIA #23 Belhaven College 68-65 for their 33rd straight win at home. Belhaven was 8-2 entering the game, MC improves to 7-3 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 06, 2009, 09:19:57 AM
Whew, I was worried about this one.  Did not want to lose to a cross town school. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 06, 2009, 08:42:20 PM
Hey Bearkat00
whats up with the rotation and starters over there at Let? The recent game against Souther Arkansas looks strange.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 06, 2009, 11:11:20 PM
Dallas over HSU-Correct
McM over UO-Correct
Concordia over UMHB-Incorrect

Brings me to 16-12
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 07, 2009, 01:28:18 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on January 06, 2009, 08:42:20 PM
Hey Bearkat00
whats up with the rotation and starters over there at Let? The recent game against Souther Arkansas looks strange.

I don't have a good explanation to things other then I think Coach Davis is trying to wake some guys up.  It's two fold here.

1. Against UWW - the guys were able to fight back from a 21 point deficit.  While I think this could be a positive thing, I can also see this as a negative.  They could see this as they beat themselves rather than they lost to a beetter team. 
2. Inconsistent play from some key performers.  Vanwright went 2-12 against SAU, including 2 opportunities to tie the game in the last seconds.  He hasn't played well the last few games, yet seem to thrive coming off the bench.  D.Smith has been hot of late, yet struggled in the early going. 

I am wondering if he is just trying to wake everyone up.  Like mentioned before, our 3 losses, I feel, are quality losses (if you can call them that).  We've been involved in each of those games and had many opportunities.  I feel that this Thursday will be a big game against MCM in a sense of measuring ourselves against the rest of the conference. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 07, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
3-3 last week brings me to 21-11

MC over CTX....MC is too big and too athletic
UTT over HPU
LeT over McM.....great game, advantage home team
UMHB over LC
OU over SU
ETBU over HSU
UTD over TLU....TLU is too careless with the ball

UTT over SRSU
UTD over SU
McM over ETBU
MC over UMHB....Could be a good game, but the Chocs dont lose in Clinton.
TLU over OU
LeT over HSU......LeT goes undefeated against the West
CTX over LC......ascfanman is shook up after only 1 win against the West
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 07, 2009, 05:46:51 PM
Bearkat thanks for the info...still undefeated in the ASC. Cant beat that right
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 07, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
3-3 last week brings me to 21-11

MC over CTX....MC is too big and too athletic
UTT over HPU
LeT over McM.....great game, advantage home team
UMHB over LC
OU over SU
ETBU over HSU
UTD over TLU....TLU is too careless with the ball

UTT over SRSU
UTD over SU
McM over ETBU
MC over UMHB....Could be a good game, but the Chocs dont lose in Clinton.
TLU over OU
LeT over HSU......LeT goes undefeated against the West
CTX over LC......ascfanman is shook up after only 1 win against the West
Thanks Pete!

I appreciate the insights!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 07, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
PistolPete

I think I agree with you on almost all the games except I got
McM beating LeT...give LeT their first loss
OU over TLU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 07, 2009, 10:37:51 PM
Here are my picks for this weekend.

MC over CTXUTT over HPU
LeT over McM
LC over UMHB
OU over SU
ETBU over HSU
UTD over TLU

UTT over SRSU
UTD over SU
McM over ETBU
MC over UMHB
TLU over OU
LeT over HSU
LC over CTX

16-12 going into this weekend's action.

Pete, funny what you say about turnovers, but look at this stat on the conference website:


TURNOVER MARGIN G Team Avg. Opponent Avg. Margin
1. Texas Lutheran 9 151 16.8 192 21.3 +4.56
2. Texas-Dallas 11 171 15.5 204 18.5 +3.00
3. Ozarks 11 181 16.5 206 18.7 +2.27
4. LeTourneau 11 179 16.3 182 16.5 +0.27
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 10 181 18.1 183 18.3 +0.20
6. Louisiana College 10 149 14.9 149 14.9 +0.00
Concordia Texas 10 185 18.5 185 18.5 +0.00
8. Mississippi College 10 168 16.8 167 16.7 -0.10
9. Texas-Tyler 11 174 15.8 167 15.2 -0.64
East Texas Baptist 11 202 18.4 195 17.7 -0.64
11. Hardin-Simmons 10 176 17.6 165 16.5 -1.10
12. McMurry 10 208 20.8 184 18.4 -2.40
13. Sul Ross State 11 224 20.4 182 16.5 -3.82
14. Schreiner 10 200 20.0 159 15.9 -4.10
15. Howard Payne 12 230 19.2 164 13.7 -5.50

They lead the conference in turnovers forced as well!

LC is at home this weekend and I think they are going to pull one of these out, they are due!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 08, 2009, 09:14:42 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on January 07, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
PistolPete

I think I agree with you on almost all the games except I got
McM beating LeT...give LeT their first loss
OU over TLU

It could go either way, but McM lost to UTT at UTT and i think LeT is better. I also think LeT can match up with the athletes McM puts on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 08, 2009, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on January 07, 2009, 10:37:51 PM
Here are my picks for this weekend.

MC over CTXUTT over HPU
LeT over McM
LC over UMHB
OU over SU
ETBU over HSU
UTD over TLU

UTT over SRSU
UTD over SU
McM over ETBU
MC over UMHB
TLU over OU
LeT over HSU
LC over CTX

16-12 going into this weekend's action.

Pete, funny what you say about turnovers, but look at this stat on the conference website:


TURNOVER MARGIN G Team Avg. Opponent Avg. Margin
1. Texas Lutheran 9 151 16.8 192 21.3 +4.56
2. Texas-Dallas 11 171 15.5 204 18.5 +3.00
3. Ozarks 11 181 16.5 206 18.7 +2.27
4. LeTourneau 11 179 16.3 182 16.5 +0.27
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 10 181 18.1 183 18.3 +0.20
6. Louisiana College 10 149 14.9 149 14.9 +0.00
Concordia Texas 10 185 18.5 185 18.5 +0.00
8. Mississippi College 10 168 16.8 167 16.7 -0.10
9. Texas-Tyler 11 174 15.8 167 15.2 -0.64
East Texas Baptist 11 202 18.4 195 17.7 -0.64
11. Hardin-Simmons 10 176 17.6 165 16.5 -1.10
12. McMurry 10 208 20.8 184 18.4 -2.40
13. Sul Ross State 11 224 20.4 182 16.5 -3.82
14. Schreiner 10 200 20.0 159 15.9 -4.10
15. Howard Payne 12 230 19.2 164 13.7 -5.50

They lead the conference in turnovers forced as well!

LC is at home this weekend and I think they are going to pull one of these out, they are due!!!!



Yes, ascfanman they do force turnovers but UTD is really smart with the ball and doesnt make many mistakes. I dont think they will be able to force that many against them.

I will be impressed if LC wins one of these games, if they win both games, that would be a good statement for LC heading into East play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 08, 2009, 10:04:59 AM
Tough games for LC and all of the conference...should be a great night and weekend for closing out cross divisional play
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 12:07:34 PM
How much is the charge to get the video stream for LeTU games?  Are both men's and women's games included in the price?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 08, 2009, 03:26:39 PM
Ralph - From my understanding - SummitTicket online costs a $100.00 for a membership.  Not sure if you can pay for individual games.  Does include Men's and Women's

I would be careful in purchasing this product b/c I know we've had issues before and we are still without an SID, so not sure if it's fixed.  I guess what I am saying is purchase at your own risk!  :-\

Can also listen at www.audiosportsonline.com (http://www.audiosportsonline.com) for free  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 08, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Or just make the quick drive to beautiful Longview!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 08, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Or just make the quick drive to beautiful Longview!
I thought of that, but had some work to do at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
We need LC-UMHB scores (men and women).

UMHB won both!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 10:52:38 PM
MissColl 87,  CTX 81.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on January 08, 2009, 10:59:24 PM
From the scoreboard:  Men:  UMHB 74 LC 53  Women:  UMHB 47 LC 43
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2009, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: cover2 on January 08, 2009, 10:59:24 PM
From the scoreboard:  Men:  UMHB 74 LC 53  Women:  UMHB 47 LC 43
Cover2, thanks.  Lady CRU dodged a bullet in Pineville!

UMHB needs to win in Clinton on Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 09, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Anyone know where I can see a boxscore from the McM LeT game...........East continued to show its dominance last night, very impressive
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 09, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Anyone know where I can see a boxscore from the McM LeT game...........East continued to show its dominance last night, very impressive

McM-LeTU Boxscore (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/mbball/2008-09/mbb0108f.htm)

I like McM PG Robert Moreno's 10 assists, 4 steals, 4 turnovers line in 34 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 09, 2009, 02:16:29 PM
McM seems like the team to beat in the West....how did UT-Tyler beat them?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 03:09:53 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on January 09, 2009, 02:16:29 PM
McM seems like the team to beat in the West....how did UT-Tyler beat them?
That was a road game in Tyler.  UTT beat us on offensive rebounds 19-11.  The team had just not figured out its chemistry in only the fourth game of the season.  Lots of reasons that are being addressed.

McM at UT-Tyler (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/mbball/2008-09/mbb1206i.htm)

This is shaking out the way that I thought in the inter-divisional (crossover) games.

If we can beat ETBU (who always plays us hard; Arrrgggggghhhhhhhh!), and if Mississippi College can defend home court against UMHB, then we have a three game lead on UMHB and CTX in the crossover games!   

I'll take it!  But, I don't think that it is fair.

I believe the coaches need to vote, next year, to begin the "divisional" play with intra-divisional games only!  Crossover games should not count in the Divisional standings!

Yes! Play the crossover games, because they count as South Region games, the games that the NCAA looks at for Regional Rankings which will be released in February.

But I strongly maintain that the single round-robin crossover schedule and the inherent differences in home court advantage should not "knock-off" a team in the divisional standings!

Mississippi College is already 2 games behind the leaders and needs to beat UMHB tomorrow to hold that!   What if it comes down to that UTT home win over McMurry and UTD road loss in Abilene to McMurry being the difference in hosting the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on January 09, 2009, 03:37:30 PM
Well, I know we're all looking at head-to-head and records right now.  But I wonder if the bigger question for these top-notch teams right now is this:  Who is truly balanced.

I've learned from watching McMurry over the past 3 or 4 years that, even though they've been very competitive, they didn't seem to have a REAL chance in big matchups.  They'd take care of the lower and mid-level teams, but UMHB and MC would come to town with good guards & talented post players and win.

I think McMurry is very balanced this year...But I haven't had a chance to see very many men's games.  Who else seems balanced at the starting five?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 07:43:26 PM
jungle, having seen UTD versus Guilford and SRSU, the Comets don't beat themselves.

I think that they can control the style of play to favor the "big men" that they play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 09, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
MC over CTX-Correct
UTT over HPU-Correct
LeT over McM-Incorrect, these guys must be good.
LC over UMHB-Incorrect :(
OU over SU-Correct
ETBU over HSU-Correct
UTD over TLU-Correct

UTT over SRSU
UTD over SU
McM over ETBU
MC over UMHB
TLU over OU
LeT over HSU
LC over CTX

21-14 with Saturydays games. 

You guys are making interesting insights.  Unfortunately my team is not going to be in the discussion this year if things don't turn in a hurry.  We really need to beat CTX.  With that being said we are nearly out of this thing and haven't played an East team yet.  We always compete in the East and if we went by that we might have got in last year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2009, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on January 09, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
MC over CTX-Correct
UTT over HPU-Correct
LeT over McM-Incorrect, these guys must be good.
LC over UMHB-Incorrect :(
OU over SU-Correct
ETBU over HSU-Correct
UTD over TLU-Correct

UTT over SRSU
UTD over SU
McM over ETBU
MC over UMHB
TLU over OU
LeT over HSU
LC over CTX

21-14 with Saturydays games. 

You guys are making interesting insights.  Unfortunately my team is not going to be in the discussion this year if things don't turn in a hurry.  We really need to beat CTX.  With that being said we are nearly out of this thing and haven't played an East team yet.  We always compete in the East and if we went by that we might have got in last year.
Exactly my point!

Next year, I hope that the coaches will vote that way!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 07:55:25 PM
ASC-West Crossover Game Record


Team.............W/L.......Key Outcome
McM6-1Lost at UTT 62-66
CTX4-3Lost to UTD; lost at LeTU, MissColl. Beat LaColl 85-74, beat UTT 98-83
UMHB3-4Lost to UTD, UTT; lost at LeTU, MissColl
HSU2-5*
HPU2-5*
SRSU2-5*
TLU2-5*
Schreiner0-7*

ASC-East Crossover Game Record


Team.............W/L.......Key Outcome
UTD7-1Loss at McM 61-63
LeTU7-1Loss at McM 63-65
UTT7-1Loss at CUA 83-98
UOzarks5-3Loss at CUA 87-91, at UMHB 69-83, at McM 79-82
MissColl5-3Loss at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71
ETBU3-5Beat HPU, HSU, Schreiner
LaColl1-7Beat Schreiner
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 10, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
The ASC Coaches voted in their annual coaches meeting in Dallas after last year to not count the  intradivisional games in the standings.  Unfortunately, the AD's didn't pass the proposed change. I'am sure several of the teams down in the standings wish the vote would have been different. In the Men's side I  count only 4 teams happy (McMurry, UTD, LeTourneau, & TTyler) &  probably 11 that had rather the games not counted. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 12:14:10 AM
Quote from: hoopstar on January 10, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
The ASC Coaches voted in their annual coaches meeting in Dallas after last year to not count the  intradivisional games in the standings.  Unfortunately, the AD's didn't pass the proposed change. I'am sure several of the teams down in the standings wish the vote would have been different. In the Men's side I  count only 4 teams happy (McMurry, UTD, LeTourneau, & TTyler) &  probably 11 that had rather the games not counted. 
Thanks for the comment.  :)

Actually Coach Ron Holmes has been an active proponent of not counting inter-divisional games in the divisional races.

His advice has not been heeded.  In fact, Coach Holmes was instrumental in inviting Pat Coleman to address the ASC men's and women's basketball coaches in about 2005 as to how to improve the conference's positions in the eyes of the selection committees.

Let's work on the AD's.  If we need to play the full 20/21 games to fill up the schedules, then so be it.

I, too, like playing about half of the season to get the teams ready for the "conference", or in our case, divisional play!  Were Coach Holmes' recommendation in place, we would be starting "divisional" play next week, with the exception of the few travel-partner games that have already occurred.  Every team would be no more than 1 game out of first place!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 11, 2009, 10:07:14 AM
UTT over SRSU-Correct
UTD over SU-Correct
McM over ETBU-Correct
MC over UMHB-Correct
TLU over OU-Incorrect
LeT over HSU-Correct
LC over CTX-Incorrect

26-16 overall.  LC is probably out of this thing.  As is a few other schools.  It is sad when these teams in some sense have nothing to play for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on January 11, 2009, 10:07:14 AM
UTT over SRSU-Correct
UTD over SU-Correct
McM over ETBU-Correct
MC over UMHB-Correct
TLU over OU-Incorrect
LeT over HSU-Correct
LC over CTX-Incorrect

26-16 overall.  LC is probably out of this thing.  As is a few other schools.  It is sad when these teams in some sense have nothing to play for the rest of the season.

Another voice expressing the same sentiment!  With intra-divisional play beginning, you should just now be starting on the quest for a divisional crown and a bid to the tourney!

A win over Mississippi College next week to begin intra-divisional play, and your season would be starting off right!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 11, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 07, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
3-3 last week brings me to 21-11

MC over CTX
UTT over HPU
LeT over McM.....X
UMHB over LC
OU over SU
ETBU over HSU
UTD over TLU

UTT over SRSU
UTD over SU
McM over ETBU
MC over UMHB
TLU over OU......X
LeT over HSU
CTX over LC

33-13 overall

I like having the West games count, a team can have a bad record against the opposite division and still win enough games to make the tournament. The only team with an advantage after cross divisional play is McM because the East clearly dominated but McM only lost one game. The only team with a disadvantage is LC because the West dominated them.
Schreiner only won one game against the East but they are only 1 game out of 4th place if you take away the two travel partner games that HPU and SRSU have already played. ETBU is only 2 games back of 4th place going into East play.
At the end of the year I dont think it will matter the teams at the top of the East will stay there. I dont see LC winning more than 4 or 5 games, which already isnt good enough.  On the West side i think the top 3 teams will remain there with the 4th spot up for grabs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 03:11:10 PM
I just hate taking away a team's hope!

What is there to play for?  How do you get the student body involved in the program if there is no hope?

What if you had the misfortune of catching the opponent either with the hotshot ballplayer who flunks out or quits after the fall semester or with the new transfer who joins the team in the spring and after the fall semester?

We (McM) caught MissCollege in Abilene, after they had to play HSU.  UMHB had to catch Mississippi College in Clinton after the long road trip to Pineville and then another 180 mile drive to Clinton.  With the travel distances experienced on the peripheries of this conference, (travel distances not experienced by the "centrally- located" UTD), I don't think that it is equitable!  (By my inspection, I think that UTD has the shortest amount of mileage to travel in the current format of any ASC team.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
33-13 is good!  Congratulations!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 11, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 03:11:10 PM
I just hate taking away a team's hope!

What is there to play for?  How do you get the student body involved in the program if there is no hope?

What if you had the misfortune of catching the opponent either with the hotshot ballplayer who flunks out or quits after the fall semester or with the new transfer who joins the team in the spring and after the fall semester?

We (McM) caught MissCollege in Abilene, after they had to play HSU.  UMHB had to catch Mississippi College in Clinton after the long road trip to Pineville and then another 180 mile drive to Clinton.  With the travel distances experienced on the peripheries of this conference, (travel distances not experienced by the "centrally- located" UTD), I don't think that it is equitable!  (By my inspection, I think that UTD has the shortest amount of mileage to travel in the current format of any ASC team.)

Having a player fail or a new transfer comin in to play 2nd semester is just a part of being division III. And as for the student body, if your team is 1-7 in conference or 1-10 overall, i dont think the student body involvement would be any different if you are 0-0 in conference.
And one year the schedule might go your way and the the next year you might have to face all of the better teams on the road. Its the best way to do it because its not possible to play all teams home and away.
At the end of the day, the good teams are gonna win on the road.  McM won at LeT, UTD destroyed UMHB at UMHB, as did UTT. LeT had a fairly easy road schedule, but that means it was tought last year and next year.

An I would say LeT, ETBU and even UTT are more centrally located. They are all close to each other and they are closer to MC and LC. And we have the disadvantage this year of having Ozarks as our traveling partner. Most teams, besides SRSU and HPU can go to their travel partner games the day of and come back that night. UTD has a 5 hour trip to wonderful Clarksville, AR.

If we could add a team to the East that was closer to Arkansas, I think it would be a near perfect set-up for the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 11, 2009, 05:42:08 PM
Just a couple comments about the MC-UMHB game yesterday. Started a little late after about a 15 minute ceremony to dedicate the court as Mike Jones Court. Great game that obviously could have gone either way. UMHB was up eight with about four minutes left. MC came back to tie the score and had the ball at half court with 6 seconds left in regulation. Wagner stole the inbounds for UMHB and had a one on one to win, but the ball hung around the rim and wouldn't go down. MC played well down the stretch and in overtime.

Hard to believe UMHB has lost six games, they are talented again. Lot of the same guys from last year and a couple new kids who can play. Easy to see how they beat Whitewater, and by tournament time they should be one of the favorites.

Huge win for MC. Bryan Johnson had a big game scoring 25 points. He's a 6'7" forward who actually wasn't available in two of our three losses. He doesn't qualify for conference statistical leaders because he's missed five games, but he would be the ASC's leading scorer at 18.3 points per game. Him back in the lineup is huge. Andre Coleman is also back after sitting out first semester. He's a 6'3" guard who was a starter much of last year, but only had one more semester of eligibility remaining this year.

Hopefully we're back on track and will keep getting better.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 11, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
...
An I would say LeT, ETBU and even UTT are more centrally located. They are all close to each other and they are closer to MC and LC. And we have the disadvantage this year of having Ozarks as our traveling partner. Most teams, besides SRSU and HPU can go to their travel partner games the day of and come back that night. UTD has a 5 hour trip to wonderful Clarksville, AR.

If we could add a team to the East that was closer to Arkansas, I think it would be a near perfect set-up for the ASC.
The small liberal arts colleges in Arkansas who might be candidates would be Lyon College (http://www.lyon.edu/) a small Presbyterian school in Batesville, and the larger Ouachita Baptist in D2.  Getting Ouachita Baptist to move to D3 might take some arm-twisting by fellow Baptist institutions such as Mississippi College, Louisiana College, ETBU, HSU, HPU and UMHB.

John Brown in Siloam Springs is comfortable in the Sooner AC.

If we could get a suitable 8th for the east, and have a few schools add a few programs, then we could split into 2 conferences!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 11, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
Are we a larger conference? How many teams are in most other D III conferences?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 11, 2009, 09:47:30 PM
Are we a larger conference? How many teams are in most other D III conferences?
We are the largest conference in D-III.

A conference can get an Automatic Qualifier (Pool A bid) if it has 7 schools competing in a sport.

We don't have enough schools sponsoring the same sports to split into 2 conferences!  The mathematical mean in conference membership is a little over 9 members.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 11, 2009, 10:42:09 PM
Thats very interesting. I did not know that. What are the chances of the conference splitting? I can't see that happening anytime soon. I think atleast 3 more schools would be needed.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 11, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
Chris, what number is Coleman?  Johnson is very good and i can definately see where missing him makes a difference in those games.  Also, UMHB had a open 16 footer to win it after the player missed the one on one contested shot.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 11, 2009, 11:23:28 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 11, 2009, 10:42:09 PM
Thats very interesting. I did not know that. What are the chances of the conference splitting? I can't see that happening anytime soon. I think atleast 3 more schools would be needed.
I can't either, and I cannot find three schools in this part of the country who would "match".
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 11, 2009, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: kid nice on January 11, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
Chris, what number is Coleman?  Johnson is very good and i can definately see where missing him makes a difference in those games.  Also, UMHB had a open 16 footer to win it after the player missed the one on one contested shot.

Andre is #14. He had 9 points and 8 rebounds, and hit the free throw at the end to seal the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 12, 2009, 01:27:28 PM
Yeah he came in and did a very nice job.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 12, 2009, 09:28:02 PM
MC over LC............bloooooowout!!!!!!

LeT over OU
HSU over SU
UTD over ETBU
CTX over HPU....could go the other way if perry, irwin and herman get hot.
McM over TLU
UTT over LC
UMHB over SRSU

HSU over TLU
McM over SU
CTX over SRSU
UMHB over HPU
MC over UTT......lack of size will hurt UTT, doubt their posts can guard MC's size
UTD over LeT.....cant wait for this game, gotta pick my squad
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 13, 2009, 10:49:20 AM
Just thought I'd post my thoughts on the West after seeing half the teams play:
1. McM - definitley the team to beat in the west.  Most talented team that I've seen who can beat you in a variety of ways.  Moreno is their floor general.  They will only go as far as he goes in my honest opinion.  When Moreno struggled in the first few minutes of the ball game, LETU was able to jump to an early lead.  He started to handle the pressure a lot better in the start of the second half, which led to McM taking the lead back.  The downfall to this team is that I didn't think they were as consistent as they could've been.  This is not McM's best team ever by any means.  At times, they did a lot of standing around.  Outside of Jones coming off the bench, no one stood out in my mind. 

2. HSU - a team that could get blown out one night, and then blow you out the next.  They lack height and I wasn't impressed with their athleticism.  When Marcus Smith went down, I thought that really hurt them at the PG position.  However, when they get going with the three ball, they are really tough to beat.  LETU shot 52% and only committed 5 TO in the 2nd half, and still saw an 18 point lead dwindle to 7 points.  I really feel these guys are dangerous to play (see MC win). 

3. UMHB - Another dangerous team who just looks like they are very inconsistent.  They've lacked in the PG play, which I think hurts them.  Gaddy is a great player, but I felt he struggled to get his shot against us.  Outside of Gaddy, they didn't really have a true scorer.  This is a team that beat the #5 team in the country and took a great MC team to OT, but I do believe that an athletic team, with quick guards shouldn't have too much problems.

4. Concordia - They go as far as McDonald takes them, plain and simple.  If you whether their runs that they make, you should be fine.  Make McDonald penetrate.  He struggeld in finishing shots against us and once he was frustrated, started taking 26 footers.  I do like Brad Walker a lot, though I wonder if the coach would like to see him on the glass a little more

By no means am I trying to offend anyone.  Just what I saw on one given night here at LETU against 4 teams. 

I know that some people have mentioned that LETU lucked out in their draw with McM, HSU, UMHB, and CTX being home games, but I really believe we would've beaten them at their places to and in fact we were the better team.  In our game against McM, even if it was at Abilene, it would've been a great game in my opinion.  I haven't seen a team that is just head and shoulders better than LETU and that we just lucked out in getting them at our place this year.  I think this is a very good team and hope that some of you guys get to watch them on the road over the next two weeks.  I know some McMurry women players were screaming at Vanwright that he wasn't good enough to play at the D1 level and not good enough to play at McM (which is total garbage by the way), but the kid is a very special player.  Any person who knows a thing about basketball can tell that he is pressing, trying to do so much for this team.  I can assure you that any coach in this conference would take him and he could start for any team. 

As for Saturday's game - I hope it is as good as the McMurry game for us.  We have a tendency to lay a goose egg on the road in Dallas.  I also hope that we don't look past a good Ozarks team.  Big week!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 13, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
Great analysis....I think the East is going to be powerful. Ozarks and ETBU can beat anyone on any given night no matter their record in conference. MC has been the team to beat for a long long time. UTD and LeT both look like they are the real deal and don't forget about UTT...they are playing well. This weekend should be some great games. I hope that my Eagles can get some good wins.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 01:24:27 AM
+1! Bearkat! Great analysis!

McM's Moreno is definitely the floor general.  He is player of the week.

I think that his is the All-conference slot to win/lose depending on how he holds up!

I like the "man".  On a "man-to-man" I want him to succeed at life, family and what he can contribute the community where he will live and our state and country.

I think that he is the best point guard at McMurry since Daniel Martinez or Javier Gonzalez from early in the decade!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 14, 2009, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 01:24:27 AM
+1! Bearkat! Great analysis!

McM's Moreno is definitely the floor general.  He is player of the week.

I think that his is the All-conference slot to win/lose depending on how he holds up!

I like the "man".  On a "man-to-man" I want him to succeed at life, family and what he can contribute the community where he will live and our state and country.

I think that he is the best point guard at McMurry since Daniel Martinez or Javier Gonzalez from early in the decade!

Thanks Ralph!  I agree about Moreno.  After McM won, there was a lot of hooting and hollaring (which LETU could take as a compliment b/c teams only do that when they beat good teams), except for one player - Moreno.  He was the first in line to shake hands with our guys.  I am sure that there are other guys on the team who are also class acts - however, as we all know - during intense games, we tend to see the ugly side of things from both players and fans.  When a good player like Robert Moreno stays compossed throughout, it makes a lasting effect on fans. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 14, 2009, 10:32:19 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 12, 2009, 09:28:02 PM
UTD over LeT.....cant wait for this game, gotta pick my squad

IF we were in Vegas and you were a betting man, I don't think you would be to far off.  Hopefully the game will be a good one, which if recent history stays true, it WONT be.  In the last 10 games of the LETU - UTD series, UTD leads 9-1.  In fact, LETU has more wins against MC (Including knocking them off when they were a top 5 team) during that time frame.  Some notes from that series -

LETU @ UTD - UTD is 5-0 on their home court with wins by an average of 21.  The closest margin of victory has been 13 points. 

UTD @ LETU - UTD is 1-4 at Solheim arean with wins by an average of 3.5 in their four wins.  The largest margin of defeat was 7 points, with 2 games by 3 points, and one game by 1 point. 

Before that all happesn though, we go play a solid Ozarks team who I know will be ready for us.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 14, 2009, 10:23:08 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2009, 01:24:27 AM
+1! Bearkat! Great analysis!

McM's Moreno is definitely the floor general.  He is player of the week.

I think that his is the All-conference slot to win/lose depending on how he holds up!

I like the "man".  On a "man-to-man" I want him to succeed at life, family and what he can contribute the community where he will live and our state and country.

I think that he is the best point guard at McMurry since Daniel Martinez or Javier Gonzalez from early in the decade!

Thanks Ralph!  I agree about Moreno.  After McM won, there was a lot of hooting and hollaring (which LETU could take as a compliment b/c teams only do that when they beat good teams), except for one player - Moreno.  He was the first in line to shake hands with our guys.  I am sure that there are other guys on the team who are also class acts - however, as we all know - during intense games, we tend to see the ugly side of things from both players and fans.  When a good player like Robert Moreno stays composed throughout, it makes a lasting effect on fans. 
I think that Robert wants to return to the valley and coach.

He can coach my grandson!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 14, 2009, 08:26:11 PM
LeT over OU
HSU over SU
UTD over ETBU
CTX over HPU
McM over TLU
UTT over LC
UMHB over SRSU

HSU over TLU
McM over SU
CTX over SRSU
UMHB over HPU
MC over UTT
LeT over UTD

26-16 overall, need to get a few in the win column.  My Wildcats are having a hard time right now, seems like have nothing outside of Josh Johnson.  I hate to see them without him next year.  We are going to have to really recruit!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 15, 2009, 10:27:18 AM
picking against LC huh? Thats tough for you I can't believe your doing it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on January 15, 2009, 10:27:18 AM
picking against LC huh? Thats tough for you I can't believe your doing it.
I think that there is a "12-step" program to help him out there somewhere.   

Pick'ems anonymous  ;)

It is not about supporting his team.  It is about getting all of the pick'ems right!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 15, 2009, 10:40:07 PM
BIG WIN FOR LETU TONIGHT. 

LETU - 80
OZARKS - 70
FINAL

LETU overcomes 15 point deficit in first half to notch their first win in ASC East play.  I feel this may be their best win of the season.  This gives Ozarks their first home loss of the season.  I know that Coach Davis felt that this was going to be a very tough match-up for his boys.  Ozarks is the real deal from what I heard and very athletic. 

Jackets shot 47% and get 4 players in double figure - Evers, Vanwright, Rockmore, and Smith.  Both Smith's grab 8 rebounds, while Vanwright notches7 rebounds.  Davis doesnt score, but dishes out 6 assists.  I wish Davis would be a little more aggresive on the offensive end, but you can't complain about this win. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on January 15, 2009, 10:57:40 PM
 I wish Davis would be a little more aggresive on the offensive end, but you can't complain about this win. 
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Josh Davis had 18 points and 12 boards in a loss at home against McMurry. I am sure he would rather have 2 boards and six assists with a tough win on the road. I do agree with you Bearkat00 he should be putting up four or five shots a game. The seniors Evers and D. Smith really played well tonight. I talked to one of the seniors on the team and he told me that they could not keep playing the way they have been playing. If so, " This will be a short season..." and he did not plan on this being a short season since it's his senior year. I can't wait to Saturday, quite a bit of LeTourneau's athletes are making the trip to watch the big game against the #22 team in the country. Go LU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 11:08:41 PM
Thru Jan 15th...
1.     Texas-Dallas  8-1  13-1
   LeTourneau    8-1    10-4
   Texas-Tyler    8-1    8-6
4.    Miss. College    6-3    10-3
5.    Ozarks    5-4    7-7
6.    East Texas Baptist    3-6    6-8
7.    La. College    1-9    3-11
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2009, 11:10:12 PM
1.     McMurry              8-1     9-4
2.    MHardin-Baylor    5-4    7-6
3.   Concordia            4-5    5-8
4.   Howard Payne      4-6    4-10
5.    Sul Ross State    3-7    3-10
6T    Hardin-Simmons    2-7    3-10
6T   Texas Lutheran    2-7    2-10
6T    Schreiner            2-7    2-11
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 16, 2009, 10:11:05 AM
You just have to feel for LC.  In their last two games they've struggled defensively, giving up 92 and 82 points, while their opponents shot  60% and 57% respectively and being out rebounded by 9 and 19.  Johnson is playing well avg. 19 and 7, but doens't look like he's getting much help.  Anyone know the issues?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 16, 2009, 10:18:21 AM
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary (http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary)

Thought you guys might like to look at some stats and see where ASC teams and players rank nationally. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 16, 2009, 12:20:54 PM
LeT over OU-Correct
HSU over SU-Incorrect
UTD over ETBU-Correct
CTX over HPU-Incorrect
McM over TLU-Correct
UTT over LC-Correct
UMHB over SRSU-Correct

HSU over TLU
McM over SU
CTX over SRSU
UMHB over HPU
MC over UTT
LeT over UTD

31-18 overall

Things at LC are very bad right now.  I hated picking against my boys but I thought picking against them might work.  I don't know what they can do now.  With that said, things must be bad at Hardin Simmons, they lost at home to Schreiner.  Any insight to that debaucle?  I did pick UTD to beat ETBu but I thougth they might give them a better game with the way they have been playing as of late.  Dallas must be pretty dang good.  Saturday will be interesting.  I hope my Wildcats can salvage some wins.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 16, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
You are right and it is very sad for their coach and for Johnson. He has been a great player in the league for a long time now. It is depressing that his senior season will be wasted like this. Could you imagine him playing for another school...how good would MC or MHB or any other school in the conference be if they had a player of his caliber? I hope he gets another chance to play basketball internationally or something so he doesnt end his career on such a sad note.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 16, 2009, 05:38:51 PM
Never one for public displays of optimism, Coach Holmes had this to say about his McM team in this morning's Abilene Reporter-News:

"We're sitting at 8-1 and that's not an 8-1 team.  Someone's going to come along and break their hearts."
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 16, 2009, 05:48:24 PM
Coach Holmes keeping them motivated to play huh
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2009, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on January 16, 2009, 05:38:51 PM
Never one for public displays of optimism, Coach Holmes had this to say about his McM team in this morning's Abilene Reporter-News:

"We're sitting at 8-1 and that's not an 8-1 team.  Someone's going to come along and break their hearts."

Sounds like something Cunningham should be saying about Trinity (12-1).  
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 17, 2009, 12:14:22 AM
I'm sorry I don't have as much time to spend on this site as much as I used to, but honestly two things happened that helped caused this:

1. I have two kids now.
2. After the really good teams around 2000 and a couple of years after, the McM teams have not been as competitive.  Us fans were really spoiled then.

I have continued to go to as many games as I could make, and will always continue to go.  Once a true Indian, always a true Indian.

This year's team has sparked my interest because this seems to be the most talented team Holmes has put together in a few years, and I also like the enthusiam he has seemed to bring back that he had kind of lost the last couple of years...no offense Coach Holmes...I have always had so much respect for you.

I too read the comments in the paper, and I laughed.  Basketball coaches are definitely the most entertaining.  Between him and Coach Case at Cooper HS, they are as entertaining as the games. 

Back to his comments about not really being an 8-1 team.  From the games I have seen, I totally understand what he is talking about.  I'm not an expert by any means, but this team is both deserving of the record and NOT deserving.  Let me finally get to the point. 

If you look at it from a talent respect, they are deserving.  On the other hand, of the 4 or 5 games I have seen, they have never come close to playing the whole game hard and to the best of their abilities.  Sometimes they are selfish and don't play together or stand around too much.  That's why they may be lucky to be 8-1.

Finally, this team is not as talented as the teams around 2000, but they definitely have the ability to win this conference and do some damage beyond.  They have size and good guard play.  THEY JUST NEED TO QUIT WORRYING ABOUT HOW MUCH PLAYING TIME THEY GET, PLAY TOGETHER FOR 40 MINUTES, AND UNDERSTAND THAT TEAM ACHIEVEMENT IS MORE IMPORTANT.

Good luck the rest of the year!  See you Saturday.  Don't take anyone lightly.  Look what happened to HSU.

FinnMan

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2009, 05:15:06 AM
Welcome back, FinnMan!

Good points about playing time!  Yes, we were spoiled back in the Martinez/Aragon/Denson days.  There were lots of teams that could play with us for about 33 minutes.  It was those last 5-10 minutes when a 3-5 point game became a 12-15 point margin of victory.

When playing Coach Holmes' system, there is usually more than enough playing time for players, as measured by how fatigued they are at the end of the game.  If they are not physically spent, then they did not try hard enough on all aspects of the game.  They wasted playing time.

Another way to get playing time is to play more games.  Playing Coach Holmes' system provides winning basketball games.  Winning games means more games, which means more playing time.

(40 minutes) times (5 players) times (25 games) = 5000 minutes to divide.

(40 minutes) times (5 players) times (25 regular season games + 3 ASC tourney games) = 5600 minutes.

(40 minutes) times (5 players) times (25 regular season games + 3 ASC tourney games + making the Sweet 16, 3 games) = 6200 minutes, etc.   :)

Every reader of this board likes the last equation best.


By my count, the win over Mississippi College in December was the 1000th in the school's history!  (I calculate that we are 1007-920 in 83+ seasons.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on January 17, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
Finnman:  As always, good food for thought my man.  You're right on several points.  1) I won't say it's the most talented team in 9 years...But it is the most balanced.  It might also be the deepest I've seen since those late 90's teams.  2)  You're right, the secret for success has been unselfish basketball.  But I am seeing more of that from this team.

And yes, there's been nothing stunning about this team this week...Thursday was a scary game...And today it was beyond scary.  BUT, this team has an MVP.  This team has a possible all-american.  And this team didn't have him for even one minute of this week.  Robert Moreno didn't touch the ball.  My take is:  They did pretty good without their floor general.  And this week also gave Ricky Burney the chance to grow like no one's business.  I think he's going to be more solid than ever for the rest of the season because he got to play so much this week.  And his first half Thursday, and end of the second quarter today were really eye opening.  This kid can play, and can run the point.

I also now totally feel that Richard Jones is a find!  This kid is good...He's physical...And he showed some real heart in today's win over Schreiner.  I'm pumped to be an Indian right about now!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
Thanks for the report Jungle!

I was following Kit, Leon and the Livestats and trying to keep the heart inside my chest.  Someone (Buzz?) has already said it.  Moreno is the heart of this team and McM goes as far as Moreno can carry the team.  I am glad that the team is having a chance against TLU and Schreiner instead of the ASC-East.  I like how Scott Hurley hit 4-4 clutch free throws down the stretch!

I saw LeTU and UTD.  Great game!  LeTU played very well and with great emotion.  They even had a good fan contingent that kept the support balanced.  UTD just pulled back into the game at the end.  I look forward to the return game in Longivew.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on January 18, 2009, 01:46:09 AM
The LETU-UTD game was great.  These are, in my opinion, the two best teams in the conference (although I have not seen UTT play yet).  I was in attendance and LETU travelled well considering. 

The first half was controlled by LETU.  LETU shot 54% from the field in the first half and held UTD to a mere 23%.  The Jackets came out of the gate with some major intensity on the defensive end.  Dale Vanwright committed two early fouls and sat out most of the first half.  Coach Davis got the best defense out of an unorthodox rotation of Majors, Driver, W. Smith, Louimeus and Rockmore/Ostarticki.  Overall, LETU accomplished everything they set out to do in the first half and led 35-21. 

I expected this to be a close game and UTD showed up ready to play in the second half.  To be honest, it looked like the teams switched jerseys at the half.  UTD came out showed us why the are statistically the best defensive team in the conference.  UTD shot 41% in the second half and held LETU to 38%.  LETU's biggest downfall was 0 of 8 from behind the arc after halftime.  Coach Davis made a mistake and burned through all of his timeouts early and had to manage without any for roughly the last four minutes of the game.  UTD grinded it out and got a huge steal which led to a fastbreak layup that gave the Comets the lead with around 30 seconds left.  LETU missed on their next possession and were forced to foul (Vanwright's fifth).  UTD hit both free throws to extend the lead to 60-57.  To UTD's credit, they were money from line the when it counted most.  D. Smith missed a game-tying three and Evers put it back looking for contact but no luck.  60-59 UTD.  This game was very similar to the LETU-McMurry game.

Two stats that stood out to me were turnovers (LETU 14, UTD 7) and offensive rebounds (UTD 16, LETU 5).  You can point to so many things in a one point game, but the bottom line is this was an awesome game played between to great teams (I'll keep my opinions about the officiating to myself).  We could look back at this in late February and say that this was the game that helped decide who is hosting the tournament.  Ralph, I am also looking forward to the rematch in LETU's house.  It might be worth a trip to beautiful Longview ;)

A few things about LETU that I hope improve...


-TheBuzz
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2009, 09:01:54 AM
Buzz, sorry that I missed you at the game.

As a said elsewhere, I brought my computer and was using the UTDalllas Guest WIFI in the Luxury Sky Box on the visitor's side, so I could follow McMurry and the other games in the conference.

McMurry played a great game without Robert Moreno.  The players are beginning to focus on the game and beginning to understand the intensity necessary.

It seems that everyone is bringing their "A" game against McMurry again.  SU had a 30% FT shooter hit 4 straight in clutch time last night.  SU hit 14-42 3FG's yesterday!

I guess that I want UTD to win the East, just so the tourney is here in Dallas.  I think that there is less general "home court advantage" in Dallas than in Longview.  However, I will appreciate any carnage that is done along the way!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 18, 2009, 12:40:57 PM
I can't believe no one is talking about MC and UTT! That must have been a great game.  Luckily we were off so we were not in any chance to lose.  ETBU is such an odd team. They go on the road and beat UO who is always tough and seems to be a good team this year.  I don't know if I should be scared or fired up to play them.  We have had their number here recently so I am hoping this will be a chance for us to get a big much needed win at home.

LeT over OU-Correct
HSU over SU-Incorrect
UTD over ETBU-Correct
CTX over HPU-Incorrect
McM over TLU-Correct
UTT over LC-Correct
UMHB over SRSU-Correct

HSU over TLU-Correct
McM over SU-Correct
CTX over SRSu-Incorrect
UMHB over HPU-Correct
MC over UTT-Correct
LeT over UTD-Incorrect

35-20 overall
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 19, 2009, 01:03:06 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 12, 2009, 09:28:02 PM
MC over LC............bloooooowout!!!!!!

LeT over OU
HSU over SU....X
UTD over ETBU
CTX over HPU....X
McM over TLU
UTT over LC
UMHB over SRSU

HSU over TLU
McM over SU
CTX over SRSU......X
UMHB over HPU
MC over UTT
UTD over LeT

44-16
CTX goes 0-2
MC UTT an UTD LeT both are great games, seems like the other teams in the East are going to have problems finishing ahead of these 4.
Did not think McM should have struggled as much against SU with Moreno out. Most teams have handled SU with ease, looks like Coach Holmes statement in the paper was a good one.

And i'll go ahead and pick UTD over OU on monday.

You got to feel for Ozarks, They have a trip to dallas for a game on monday, a 5 hour trip back, then a 5 hour trip to tyler for a game on saturday and back, then a trip to MC the next thursday, then to LC from there and then back. Thats gotta be the worse back to back weeks of anyone this year and it doesnt help they are coming off of 2 losses at home
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2009, 01:12:25 AM
Actually, I think that the TLU and SU games prove what Moreno, the ASC POTW from the week before, actually brings to the team.

Schreiner brought its "A" game.  They hit 14-42 on 3FG's.  Going down the stretch, David Flannery, 11-29 on FTs' prior to the game, hits 4 straight!

Schreiner has one of those styles that can get hot and kill you!  Schreiner must have been pumped after the HSU win.  Also, Schreiner only lost at Trinity by 11 and at Ozarks by 3.  The key to Schreiner, tho', is that Ralph Turner fellow!  He hit 8-9 FT's vs McM himself!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 19, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2009, 01:12:25 AM
Actually, I think that the TLU and SU games prove what Moreno, the ASC POTW from the week before, actually brings to the team.

Schreiner brought its "A" game.  They hit 14-42 on 3FG's.  Going down the stretch, David Flannery, 11-29 on FTs' prior to the game, hits 4 straight!

Schreiner has one of those styles that can get hot and kill you!  Schreiner must have been pumped after the HSU win.  Also, Schreiner only lost at Trinity by 11 and at Ozarks by 3.  The key to Schreiner, tho', is that Ralph Turner fellow!  He hit 8-9 FT's vs McM himself!  :D

14-42 on 3FG's is only 33% thats not amazing. Thats actually sad that they shot 42 3's........did McM just sit back in a zone and let them shoot or were they just not able to guard them?
Nothin against Ozarks but they are always inconsistent, they were prolly overlooking the Schreiner game. Which McM probably did the same. Every other team from the East beat them pretty bad. LC even beat them by 11.  McM had 93 so it wasnt that they couldnt run the offense without Moreno, I know it was in OT but they let a team who averages 61 points a game to score 87. At the end of the day i dont think its  big concern because the West is fairly weak this year an there is no other 4 teams that can pose a threat against McM to keep them out of the tournament. And as for the West i dont think seeding really matters because the 4 teams from the East are going to be so good. If it started today, MC would be the 4 seed and they are a very good team. It could very easily be the opposite of last year where the West will not win a tournament game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2009, 01:34:15 PM
Thanks for the comments, Pete.

Actually, I think that Schreiner was bouyed by its win at HSU and brought its "A" game across town.

Going into the McM game, SU was hitting 26.3% of its 3FG's.  That is 3 fewer 3FG's per game on 42 attempts.

Moreno is #34 in all D3 in steals (2.667 spg), trailing on TLU's Dotson at #26 (2.727 spg).

He is #7 in the country in assists at 7.5 apg.  I cannot undervalue Moreno's contribution to the team.

Hopefully he will be back by Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 19, 2009, 11:44:46 PM
Moreno is a great player and I'm almost positive if you took the team leader and playmakers off of any good team they would have a drop off. Regardless McM found a way to win without its most pivitol player which is scary for all the teams in the West.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2009, 11:52:55 PM
A shoutout to the UTD website for the audio streaming and the livestats!

Remember that fans!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 21, 2009, 01:50:34 PM
Just looking at some box scores....did Cooper leave ETBU or is he injuried?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 21, 2009, 03:26:17 PM
He looked fine yesterday at practice.  He may have been injured. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 21, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
Texas Lutheran  Mary Hardin-Baylor-UMHB 
East Texas Baptist  La. College-LC!!!!   
Howard Payne  Hardin-Simmons-HPU   
LeTourneau  Miss. College-MC 
Texas-Dallas  Texas-Tyler-Tyler 
Schreiner  Concordia-CUA 
Sul Ross State  McMurry-McMurry 
Concordia  Texas Lutheran-CUA 
East Texas Baptist  Miss. College-MC 
LeTourneau  La. College-LeT 
Sul Ross State  Hardin-Simmons-Sul Ross 
Mary Hardin-Baylor  Schreiner-UMHB   
Ozarks  Texas-Tyler-Tyler 
Howard Payne  McMurry-McMurry 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on January 21, 2009, 08:02:10 PM
I will be at the UT Tlyer game against Utd. I can't wait.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on January 22, 2009, 01:49:40 AM
Quote from: pedh34 on January 21, 2009, 08:02:10 PM
I will be at the UT Tlyer game against Utd. I can't wait.
Be sure and give us a full report!  And try to give us fellow LETU fans a scouting report on UT-Tyler to help preview the Jan 31 matchup.  Thanks ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on January 22, 2009, 12:17:57 PM
what type of injury does moreno have?  both abilene teams are primed for a loss this evening!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 22, 2009, 04:47:27 PM
44-17 after dallas got upset on monday


Texas Lutheran  Mary Hardin-Baylor-UMHB 
East Texas Baptist  La. College-ETBU
Howard Payne  Hardin-Simmons-HSU   
LeTourneau  Miss. College-MC 
Texas-Dallas  Texas-UTD
Schreiner  Concordia-CUA 
Sul Ross State  McMurry-McM   
Concordia  Texas Lutheran-CUA 

East Texas Baptist  Miss. College-MC 
LeTourneau  La. College-LeT 
Sul Ross State  Hardin-Simmons-SRSU
Mary Hardin-Baylor  Schreiner-UMHB   
Ozarks  Texas-Tyler-Tyler 
Howard Payne  McMurry-McM 

If moreno still isnt playing I can see them going 1-1 or 0-2 very easily
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 22, 2009, 06:17:33 PM
Surprised everyone is picking LET over MC.  I would rather be the underdog at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on January 22, 2009, 11:24:00 PM
Our hearts and prayers tonight are with McMurry guard Scott Hurley.  The freshmen was driving to the basket at the end of the game, up seven points, when number 42 for Sul Ross quite literally threw him to the ground.  Scott landed on his head, and was unconscious for quite some time.  After 15 minutes or so he was taken out by ambulance.  I'm told he's talking, and moving all of his extremities.  He was taken to a local hospital, and we pray he doing fine.

I must say, and I hope you all can forgive my frankness, I've never...in my 19 years of watching DIII basketball seen a more classless act by a coach.  The Sul Ross head coach, while Scott lay on the ground...Fought with the refs that a technical foul should be called on McMurry for going on the court after the injury.  The refs practically had to tell him to shut up and go back to his bench.  And then, after a very emotional 15 minutes of complete quiet in a very well attended game, he asked his team to keep fouling, down 12 with just seconds to go.  Keep in mind, you have literally hundreds of fans and players absolutely distraught...And a game that is OVER!

I'll refrain from saying what I TRULY think about this coach, but I do hope that the conference takes a serious look at whether or not number 42 should even be allowed to play the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2009, 12:46:46 AM
McM PG Robert Moreno sat out the first 38:42 of tonight's game.

When Hurley went down and McMurry led by 5, Moreno came off the bench hit 3 of 4 FT's and then got a steal on SRSU's next possession, all in 15 seconds.

Moreno means that much to this team.  He makes the case for All-Conference Point Guard!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 23, 2009, 09:58:27 AM
The Reporter-News story of the incident can be read at
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2009/jan/23/hurley-injured/
It quotes Coach Holmes as follows:
"That's just hard playing on both teams," he said. "Andy Hulsey's a kid that we recruited. He's a fantastic kid, a great kid. He didn't mean to do that. He's already sent me a text message apologizing."
The news this morning is that Hurley seems to be okay.  It was a scary moment, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 23, 2009, 11:25:27 AM
Texas Lutheran  Mary Hardin-Baylor-UMHB: Correct
East Texas Baptist  La. College-LC!!!!:Incorrect   
Howard Payne  Hardin-Simmons-HPU:Incorrect   
LeTourneau  Miss. College-MC:Correct 
Texas-Dallas  Texas-Tyler-Tyler:Incorrect 
Schreiner  Concordia-CUA:Correct 
Sul Ross State  McMurry-McMurry:Correct


Concordia  Texas Lutheran-CUA 
East Texas Baptist  Miss. College-MC 
LeTourneau  La. College-LeT 
Sul Ross State  Hardin-Simmons-Sul Ross 
Mary Hardin-Baylor  Schreiner-UMHB   
Ozarks  Texas-Tyler-Tyler 
Howard Payne  McMurry-McMurry 

Brings me to 35-21.  I kinda picked some unusual picks and they did not work out.  I don't get to go to the LC games much but apparently we are really in trouble.  Josh only had 9 points.  The word I get was ETBU did a very good job on him defensively.  I don't know what we are going to do.  If Josh does not get his 18 a game we have no chance.  I really am feeling for my boys.  Keep fighting and keep your heads up high!

On another note I wish for the best for the McMurry kid.  Sad what I read about the SRSU coach, what a jerk.


Go Cats!!!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on January 24, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
Just some thoughts. I hope everyone is enjoying ASC basketball because it is that time of the year again. LeTourneau had a tough 4 game road trip over the last two weekends which means a lot of travel time and missed classes. I feel good coming back 2-2 after the four game road trip. Six out of our last eight games will be at home only traveling 45 minutes to UT Tyler and ETBU. We lost a tough game against a solid UTD team that does not beat themselves. The other loss to a tough team to beat at home Mississippi College.  One thing that has became apparent to me is that we tend to wear teams down. Over Christmas Break we played White Water ranked 6 at the time and play a rough first half. We came back with a strong second half and lost. The next day White Water went on to loose to UMHB. Last Saturday we lost a tough game to UTD which we lead the majority of the game. The following Monday they loose at home against Ozarks. Thursday we lost to a tough Mississippi College team and then they lost today against ETBU. It seems to me that teams get really amped up to play against us and it takes a lot out of them to prepare and play against us. Then the following game there emotions are still taken out from them from the joyride against LeTu. This is just what I think.

Other Notes:
Seems like Dale Vanwright is coming around again after scoring 25 points against MC and 22 against LC. In both of these games his shooting percentage has been higher than the last couple of weeks which is good since these games were on the road. Can't wait to see them back in action against an athletic ETBU team that NO ONE should look past. Would be nice to see our free throw percentage  improve some.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 01:46:56 AM
What an evening in Abilene!

Good to see you, jungle, mcmfan and others.

An improbable game...

HPU led McMurry 51-31 at the half.

At 17:33 HPU was leading 55-31, when McMurry Dewayne Hall hit a 3FG.

As HPU was pulling away Moreno hit a 3FG to cut it 62-46

Still struggling, McMurry trailed HPU 66-46 with 10:15 left.  Moreno hits another key 3FG when the team needed.

Coach Holmes punched the right buttons with substitutions off the deep bench and McMurry narrowed the lead to 74-60 with6:16 left.

Moreno was in command by now.  He was the one constant thru the entire game for McMurry, which pulled to within 9 points at 74-65 with 3:15 remaining.

A flurry of activity ensued.   Moreno hits another 3FG to cut it to 77-75 with 1:35 left. McM's Ricky Burney gets a steal but then gets a player control foul.  In his enthusiasm, Jonathon Walker runs to the official and says something  like, "This is incredible. Surely you must be mistaken!"  At which point, the ref teed him up.  No profanity!  None of George Carlin's 7 words!  HPU hits one of 2.  Moreno then gets a steal and fires to Walker who hits the jumper, HPU 78-77.  HPU's Perry gets the layup and then McM's Richard Jones gets the offensive board, and fires to Burney who ties the game with a 3FG, 80-80, 0:14 left.  With 0:02 left, HPU misses a 3G, Burney gets the board, is fouled, hits both and McMurry leads 82-80 for the first time since 8-6 with 16+ minutes in the first half.  A last-second half court 3FG misses and McMurry wins.

Moreno was spectacular.  He is the glue to the very talented McMurry team.

He is (IMHO) the All-conference point guard!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 02:21:50 AM
LeTU 74 LaCollege 56,

McM 82 HPU 80.

(The big games tonight were ETBU 76, at Miss Coll 71;  and at Schreiner 74, UMHB 72!   That Ralph Turner fellow had 26 points for Schreiner!  What a player!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on January 25, 2009, 09:47:41 AM
Not impressed with the officiating.  Lost complete control of the game midway through the second half.  They let a lot of fouling go on all game on the press, but called a ticky tack foul with 3 seconds left in the game.  Most officials will not do this.  They don't want to determine the outcome like these officials did.
  With that said, congrats to McM on not giving up and continuing to hustle for the win. 

  Oh well, not sure if MCM fans knew, but HPU played a lot of freshmen last night.  They should have a good future.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 25, 2009, 12:22:24 PM
Concordia  Texas Lutheran-CUA:Incorrect 
East Texas Baptist  Miss. College-MC:Incorrect 
LeTourneau  La. College-LeT:Correct 
Sul Ross State  Hardin-Simmons-Sul Ross:Incorrect 
Mary Hardin-Baylor  Schreiner-UMHB:Incorrect   
Ozarks  Texas-Tyler-Tyler:Incorrect 
Howard Payne  McMurry-McMurry:Correct 

Brings me to 37-26. This was a bad week for my picks. There are always upsets but not this many in one weekend it seems.  Things just get worse at LC.  Two bad losses at home.  There is a big game Tuesday nite in Longview.  My pick is LeT but it seems ETBwho is on a roll with three straight wins on the road, which is hard to do, one being against UO who has beat UTD and UTT on the road and at Mississippi, no onw wins there!  I wish I could be at that game. 

LC, keep your heads up and keep fighting, sometimes things don't go as planned but trust in Coach!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 25, 2009, 04:11:11 PM
Wanted to follow-up on some LETU thoughts:
1. Vanwright is starting to catch fire again and overcome a midseason slump
2. I agree, a 2-2 road trip isn't all that bad considering the circumstances.
3. Disappointed about being unable to keep double digit leads in both those games, more so with UTD when we held a nice lead through most of the second half.  The MC game I can handle a little more than the UTD game.
4. TWO HUGE games this week at home - ETBU and UTT.  With two wins against two very good teams, we can start pulling away from the pack.  With losses, it just gets more jumbled up in the ASC East.

Our prayers go out to the MCM young man.  Regardless of fan affiliation, you never want to see anyone get hurt. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
It is looking like 2 weeks for McM's Scott Hurley.

I saw him at the game.  He was in good spirits.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 25, 2009, 05:35:05 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on January 25, 2009, 09:47:41 AM
They let a lot of fouling go on all game on the press, but called a ticky tack foul with 3 seconds left in the game.
Got to agree with JACKET84 on this one.  We sucked for 3/4 of the game.  If we were going to win, I would have preferred it to be in overtime, and not because of a last-minute foul.  Our guys need to remember that they probably won't be that lucky when the rematch happens in Brownwood, and will need to be ready to play the whole time if they want another win against a very talented HPU team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on January 25, 2009, 06:37:42 PM
Here is a question that I would like you guys to ponder...I would especially like your opinion on this Ralph.

Does it say more about your team to win against a good/great opponent or lose to a lousy opponent/someone you should beat??

The reason I ask is because of the current tie breaking procedure in the ASC. The first way to break a tie is head to head record, the second way is record against the highest ranking teams in order. I think if you beat a great team--that's great for you, but if you happen to lose to teams that are worse then you--the conference doesn't punish you as hard. For instance, U Ozarks may turn out to be a better loss for Dallas then an LETU loss to MissColl/Dallas/McMurry if LETU and Dallas end up tying.

Furthermore, I know the point system is very unreliable when comparing three or more teams by common opponents. However, I think the point system could end up saying more about your team when assessing head to head match ups. If one team wins a close game at home and loses to the same team by 20 on the road I think that usually depicts who is the better team.

I hope you guys could understand my rambling and mixed thoughts, your opinions are appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 06:54:25 PM
I do not like a point system, because I think that the point (margin of victory)  system discourages a coach from playing the bench.  :)


ASC Tie-breaker (http://www.ascsports.org/Sports/ASC/2007/ASCTIEBREAK.asp?tab=asc)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 26, 2009, 11:09:11 AM
If they insist on the crossover games I would like to see everyone invited to the conference tournament.  That would eliminate the need for the tiebreakers(except to seed).  The scheduling advantages would be gone as well.  They could play the whole thing over two weekends, the bottom two teams could have a play in game to face the overall top seed.  I know they don't care about revenue but it is probably something they could sell in the metroplex and it would draw more interest.  If that doesn't work they could play the early rounds at the home of the higher seed, giving some teams an extra home game, the final 8 could be held at a neutral site or hosted by the top seed.

I know some would say it makes the regular season meaningless, but having a home game or the right to host would be a pretty big prize.


Obviously being a fan of ETBU this would benefit us this year as we are playing better now than before the break.  I think it would give a little march madness to our conference.  It would also give our champion a few extra playoff type games which could only help for the real dance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 26, 2009, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on January 22, 2009, 04:47:27 PM
44-17 after dallas got upset on monday


Texas Lutheran  Mary Hardin-Baylor-UMHB 
East Texas Baptist  La. College-ETBU
Howard Payne  Hardin-Simmons-HSU   
LeTourneau  Miss. College-MC 
Texas-Dallas  Texas-UTD
Schreiner  Concordia-CUA 
Sul Ross State  McMurry-McM   

Concordia  Texas Lutheran-CUA.......X 
East Texas Baptist  Miss. College-MC........X 
LeTourneau  La. College-LET
Sul Ross State  Hardin-Simmons-SRSU.........X
Mary Hardin-Baylor  Schreiner-UMHB.......X
Ozarks  Texas-Tyler-Tyler........X
Howard Payne  McMurry-McM 

53-22

got all the games right on thursday, an then only 2 on saturday.  big games as always in the east this weekend. Is Ozarks the real deal? Has UTT over achieved to till now? Also interested to see the UMHB McM game. UMHB is hot an cold so far this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 05:45:24 PM
Pete,
Both Schreiner and TLU were home court advantages.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on January 26, 2009, 10:16:59 PM
Yes but UMHB should not have slipped up. They have played too good. They cant afford to lose any more if they want a chance at catching up to McM. The better teams in this league shouldnt slip up against SU and LC
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 27, 2009, 09:50:58 AM
Ralph Turner

Congrats on the potw
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on January 27, 2009, 01:16:43 PM
Ozarks with a huge win over UTT. Great wins this week over UTD and UTT. Puts us back in the playoff race. Two road wins for the Eagles is amazing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2009, 12:18:26 AM
LeTU dodges the bullet with a win over ETBU, 76-66.

Thanks to Buzz for reporting the score.

Schreiner beat TLU 78-69.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on January 28, 2009, 12:53:03 AM
LEtu beat etbu 76-66

Dale Vanwright 30 pts 8 boards
Jairus Rockmore 24 points 7 boards.

I am looking forward to Saturday when we get to play UTT.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on January 28, 2009, 01:19:02 AM
Wow.  We had a great game tonight in Longview.  There's nothing better than a rivalry game.  Both LETU and ETBU came to play tonight.  The first half involved a lot of lead changes.  LETU shot 34% in the first half compared to ETBU's 46% which landed ETBU a 39-34 lead at the half. 

LETU played good defense in the first half and GREAT defense in the second half.  We outscored ETBU by 15 after halftime holding them to 33% shooting.

LETU's Dale Vanwright had a career night with 30 points and 7 rebounds.  Vanwright went through a midseason slump but has turned it around scoring 22, 25 and 30 in the last three games.  Also, JJ Rockmore came off the bench (for the first time this year I think) and scored 24.  Great coaching move by Bob Davis bringing Rockmore and Josh Davis off the bench to provide a spark.  Rockmore had his best offensive game of the year and Davis had, in my opinion, his best defensive game of the year.  Kudos Coach.

Before I finish, I have to give some love to ETBU.  This team should not be 6-7 in conference.  They are much better than that.  I can see how they went to Mississippi College and left with a victory.  They are a very athletic squad and Turnipseed can shoot.  They have long, quick big men and Morman has great range.

I'm looking forward to LETU vs UT-Tyler on Saturday.  Should be a great one.  Then on Tuesday, LETU travels to ETBU.  This will be a tough one for the Yellowjackets.  Hopefully we can win a few more and possibly host the tournament.  Bearkat00 said he'll buy dinner for everyone who comes to Longview if LETU hosts the tourney.  J/K!!

-TheBuzz
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 28, 2009, 09:53:55 AM
Quote from: TheBuzz on January 28, 2009, 01:19:02 AM
Bearkat00 said he'll buy dinner for everyone who comes to Longview if LETU hosts the tourney.  J/K!!

-TheBuzz

I better start getting promoted fast!  Nice analysis +1

Some thoughts on last night's game:
- I do agree, you can see how ETBU beat MC.  However, I can also see they lost to Lutheran and SRSU.  Very long, but it seemed like they tightened up towards the end and really didn't have someone to take control of the game.  Defensively, they are VERY tough on the inside, but they left too many guys open.
- Vanwright played a good game, both offensively and defensively.  Had some questionable turnovers and midway through the game, he seemed to be trying to hard.  Towards the end, he just let the game come to him and hit some major shots down the stretch
- Rockmore has played well all season.  He has really benefitted from Vanwright this year as Rockmore moves well without the ball.  He comes off screens better than anyone I've seen in the conference. 
- Davis and Rockmore didn't start b/c of match-ups.  Clark matched up better with ETBU's PG (Turnspiee) than Davis would've.  D.Smith matched up better than Rockmore with Mormon.  ETBU's length is unbeliveable.  I walked past Chambers and in street clothes he doesn't look imposing, but his wingspan makes him 2 feet taller. 
- LETU shoots 62% in second half, compared to ETBU's 33%. 
- LETU goes on 11-0 run at the 10:00 mark to put the game away, which was aided by a tech called on ETBU coach, who had made it up halfway up the court with the refs. 
- LETU was called for a tech - one of their players didn't get recorded in the book. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 28, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
38-26 with LeT victory.  Sounds like it was a good game.  Things may get interesting down the stretch. 

I like the idea of everyone going to the tournament, I know some Division 1 conferences do that.  It give teams like LC something to play for. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2009, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on January 28, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
38-26 with LeT victory.  Sounds like it was a good game.  Things may get interesting down the stretch. 

I like the idea of everyone going to the tournament, I know some Division 1 conferences do that.  It give teams like LC something to play for. 
That subject has come up in the conference before.  Missed class time and travel expenses are a major concern there.

However, I have long been a proponent of handling the conference games differently.  (Please show this to your coaches, AD's and Presidents!)

Please follow me.  This post will be long and full of data, but it will be exhaustive.

(I will waive my consultation fee to the conference.   ;) )

I recommend that only intra-division games be counted for the division standings and the division seedings for the tourney.

McMurry has a 4 game lead on UMHB with 9 games to play, and to clinch the #1 slot.  (If the West were hosting the Tourney, it might almost be over.)

McMurry goes to UMHB on Thursday.  For UMHB to win the West, UMHB must:

--sweep McM and HSU. (D3Hoops.com #4 UMHB lost both games in Abilene last year.)
--must run the table versus CTX, TLU, Schreiner, HPU and SRSU.

In that case, all McMurry needs to do to win the West is win 6 of 7 games versus CTX twice, HSU, HPU, SRSU, TLU and Schreiner.

McMurry is in that position by virtue of a better crossover record.

ASC-West Crossover Game Record


Team.............W/L.......Key Outcome
McM6-1Lost at UTT 62-66
CTX4-3Lost to UTD; lost at LeTU, MissColl. Beat LaColl 85-74, beat UTT 98-83
UMHB3-4Lost to UTD, UTT; lost at LeTU, MissColl
HSU2-5*
HPU2-5*
SRSU2-5*
TLU2-5*
Schreiner0-7*

ASC-East Crossover Game Record.


Team.............W/L.......Key Outcome
UTD7-1Loss at McM 61-63
LeTU7-1Loss at McM 63-65
UTT7-1Loss at CUA 83-98
UOzarks5-3Loss at CUA 87-91, at UMHB 69-83, at McM 79-82
MissColl5-3Loss at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71
ETBU3-5Beat HPU, HSU, Schreiner
LaColl1-7Beat Schreiner



Current West Division Standings

Place  School.................ASC...Overall......GB last tourney slot
1.    McMurry11-112-43 from clinching
2.    Mary Hardin-Baylor7-59-77 from clinching
3T    Concordia 5-76-10 -
3T    Hardin-Simmons5-76-10 -
5T    Sul Ross State4-94-12 2
5T   Howard Payne 4-94-132
5T   Schreiner4-94-13 2
8.    Texas Lutheran3-103-13 3

Every West Division school is still in the running.  Every team has hope of making the tourney, but McMurry has almost clinched the #1 tourney slot!  (As a McMurry fan, that is nice, but I don't think that is the best way to run the conference.)

If we only count intra-division games in those standings...

Place  School..............West Div...ASC...Overall......GB last tourney slot
1.    McM5-011-112-45 from clinching
2.    UMHB4-17-59-76 from clinching
3.   Schr.4-24-94-136 from clinching
4.    HSU3-25-76-10 -
5T    SRSU2-44-94-122 with 7 left
5T   HPU2-44-94-132 with 7 left
7.    CTX1-4 5-76-102 with 8 left
8.    TLU1-53-103-133 with 7 left

Every team is in the running.  CTX has hit a tough streak, but even they can get hot and make the tourney as of this minute.  Every team has hope!


Let's look at the ASC-East which will host the Tourney this year.   ;)

Current ASC-East Standings

School.........ASC.....Overall...GB last tourney slot
1. UTD10-215-27 from clinching
2. LeTU10-312-67 from clinching
3T MissColl8-412-48 from clinching
3T UTT8-48-98 from clinching
5. Ozarks7-59-81
6. ETBU6-79-93
7. LaColl1-113-137

With the current way that the conference was voted this year, Louisiana College can be mathematically eliminated by Jan 31st!  THAT IS NOT FAIR!



If we only count intra-dvision games in the ASC-East Standings, then this is the way that they look as of today.

Rank/ School...ASC-East...ASC...Overall...GB last tourney slot
1T UTD3-110-215-27 from clinching
1T MissColl3-18-412-48 from clinching
3T LeTU3-210-312-6-
3T ETBU3-26-79-9-
5. Ozarks2-27-59-80.5 with 7 games left
6. UTT1-38-48-91.5 with 8 games left
7. LaColl
0-4
1-113-132.5 with 8 games left

The biggest change is that UTT had a hot start, but look who is in the chase in this scenario.  Everyone!

I believe that a team needs about 10-12 games to work on the chemistry issues and other things.  New players get to prove themselves, and the teams get a second chance when they come back for the spring semester.

The student-athletes and student-fans need hope.

It is a fallacy to think that you must count crossover games in the season standings.  Later in the season, those crossover games may determine at-large Pool C NCAA bids and even hosting the NCAA.  The NCAA states that we have to play a certain number of South Region opponents and other in-region games.  You can follow those discussions on the Pool C board.

I feel sorry for the LaCollege players and fans. They played well, but dug a big hole early.  When they came back from the holidays, they and the other 14 teams needed to have a fresh start.

Please!  Next season, all coaches and AD's and Presidents, let's only count intra-division games towards the divisional crown...just like the baseball coaches have voted!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 28, 2009, 06:36:04 PM
Doesn't the East host this year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on January 28, 2009, 09:37:15 PM
Let's look at the ASC-East which will host the Tourney this year.   ;)

Current ASC-East Standings

School.........ASC.....Overall...GB last tourney slot
1. UTD10-215-27 from clinching
2. LeTU10-312-67 from clinching
3T MissColl8-412-48 from clinching
3T UTT8-48-98 from clinching
5. Ozarks7-59-81
6. ETBU6-79-93
7. LaColl1-113-137

With the current way that the conference was voted this year, Louisiana College can be mathematically eliminated by Jan 31st!  THAT IS NOT FAIR!



If we only count intra-dvision games in the ASC-East Standings, then this is the way that they look as of today.

Rank/ School...ASC-East...ASC...Overall...GB last tourney slot
1T UTD3-110-215-27 from clinching
1T LeTU3-110-312-67 from clinching
1T MissColl3-18-412-48 from clinching
4. ETBU3-26-79-9-
5. Ozarks2-27-59-80.5 with 7 games left
6. UTT1-38-48-91.5 with 8 games left
7. LaColl
0-4
1-113-132.5 with 8 games left

The biggest change is that UTT had a hot start, but look who is in the chase in this scenario.  Everyone!

I believe that a team needs about 10-12 games to work on the chemistry issues and other things.  New players get to prove themselves, and the teams get a second chance when they come back for the spring semester.

The student-athletes and student-fans need hope.

It is a fallacy to think that you must count crossover games in the season standings.  Later in the season, those crossover games may determine at-large Pool C NCAA bids and even hosting the NCAA.  The NCAA states that we have to play a certain number of South Region opponents and other in-region games.  You can follow those discussions on the Pool C board.

I feel sorry for the LaCollege players and fans. They played well, but dug a big hole early.  When they came back from the holidays, they and the other 14 teams needed to have a fresh start.

Please!  Next season, all coaches and AD's and Presidents, let's only count intra-division games towards the divisional crown...just like the baseball coaches have voted!


[/quote]

Yes the East side will Host the Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 29, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
LETU is 3-2 in ASC EAST Play

Wins against - Ozarks, LC and ETBU
Losses against - MC & UTD
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2009, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on January 29, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
LETU is 3-2 in ASC EAST Play

Wins against - Ozarks, LC and ETBU
Losses against - MC & UTD
+1, and thanks for proofreading!  :)

I also noticed that Tuesday's  LeTU-ETBU score has not been reported to D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 30, 2009, 09:00:12 AM
I am currently sitting at  37-26.  Could not get my picks in for Thursdays action but here are my pics for Saturday:


LC over UO-We finally are going to get one at home!
McMurry over CUA-McMurry bounces back from the loss
TLU over HPU
UMHB over HSU
MC over UT-D-Tough one to call, MC struggled with UO, hard to see MC lose at home twice in one season.
SU over SRSU-SU is on a roll right now it seems
LeT over Tyler
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 30, 2009, 09:42:08 AM

[/quote]
+1, and thanks for proofreading!  :)

I also noticed that Tuesday's  LeTU-ETBU score has not been reported to D3hoops.com.
[/quote]


I don't think LETU has replaced their SID yet, and I think coaches are handling it by committee.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 30, 2009, 01:30:02 PM
Doesnt the ACC and SEC count crossover games in conference standings.  I am not sure but i know they do in football.  I don't care that LC is mathmatically out of it.  This is not rec. ball or a rec. league, its college basketball, it doesnt have to be fair and try to keep everyone even.  Recruit better and coach better.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: kid nice on January 30, 2009, 01:30:02 PM
Doesnt the ACC and SEC count crossover games in conference standings.  I am not sure but i know they do in football.  I don't care that LC is mathmatically out of it.  This is not rec. ball or a rec. league, its college basketball, it doesnt have to be fair and try to keep everyone even.  Recruit better and coach better.
Kid  nice, I maintain that the inter-division games are not fair to count towards hosting the conference tourney.

I strongly believe that the travel inequities that we face in the ASC cannot be balanced.  If MissCollege had played McMurry and HSU  in Clinton, and gone on the road to Schreiner and TLU, then you would be 11-2 and "tied" with UT-Dallas for the lead.

The single round-robin, especially with the travel inequities, is not fair in D-III.

In the ACC or the SEC, you don't have to worry about the crossover games as much, because the computer rankings systems are more precise (because of the greater number of nationally played games among D-1 schools), and because there are more "Pool C" at large bids available for the SEC and ACC and other D-1 teams in March Madness.

In March Madness (D-1), we have about 31 "Pool A /AQ" bids.  I count 34 at-large bids for the remaining 290 schools that don't get the AQ.  (That is roughly a 1:8.5 ratio.)

In D-III, we have 39 Pool A bids plus 3 more designated for Pool B.  There are 18 Pool C bids for the 353 schools that did not get an automatic bids (1 Pool C bid for every 19.6 schools.)  That is not even half as many at large bids.

I maintain that D-I and D-III are much too different.  Counting crossover games in D-1 and D-III are not the same.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on January 31, 2009, 12:34:07 PM
Quote from: etbualum on January 30, 2009, 09:42:08 AM

I don't think LETU has replaced their SID yet, and I think coaches are handling it by committee.


this is true - LETU's women's basketball coach is acting as the intern SID this year.  LETU's SID left right before school started. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on January 31, 2009, 06:51:10 PM
McMurry website shows MCM over Concordia 99-93.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 31, 2009, 06:56:06 PM



LC over UO-We finally are going to get one at home!:Incorrect :'(
McMurry over CUA-McMurry bounces back from the loss:Correct
TLU over HPU:Correct
UMHB over HSU:Correct
MC over UT-D-Tough one to call, MC struggled with UO, hard to see MC lose at home twice in one season.:Incorrect
SU over SRSU-SU is on a roll right now it seems:Correct
LeT over Tyler:Corret

42-28, starting to climb back up with some wins.  I am now concerned we may not win another game this year, I think even though UO is good I felt this was our best chance at a win.   :-[

I am sorry guys, hang in there, keep playing hard and try your best to finish strong.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 02, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
For all the recent success that the LETU men's basketball team has had on the court, it's led to recognition off the court for people that contribute to the program on a daily basis.  Here is a great article written about the color commentator - Chris Stuckey - who calls our home basketball games. 

http://www.news-journal.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2009/02/01/02012009_chrisstuckey.html (http://www.news-journal.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2009/02/01/02012009_chrisstuckey.html)

I am awaiting my article as the "greatest LETU D3hoops.com poster" to be written very soon!

ETBU and UTT on the road this week, then four games at home!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2009, 10:27:51 AM
Another outstanding line by McM PG Robert Moreno from last night's HSU game.

                                    TOT-FG  3-PT               REBOUNDS
## Player                       FG FGA FG FGA FT FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

05 Robert Moreno....... g       3  4    3  3   0  0        1  5  6     3   9    8  2     0  2  36


The Cowboys did everything they could last night to control the tempo of the game, to gain their rhythm, to make those 3FG's.


                      1st Half       2nd Half          Game Totals
TOTAL FG%: 13-26  .500    11-24  .458    24-50  .480
3-Pt. FG%:  6-15  .400     4-12  .333        10-27  .370
F Throw %:  1-1  1.000     3-7   .429           4-8   .500
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on February 03, 2009, 02:55:30 PM
So now that we are halfway through the divisional play I wanted to know if anyone had any predictions on the top 4 teams on each side. Here are my thoughts:

East
1. UTD
2. LeT
3. MC
4. Ozarks

-A good team in ETBU ends up not making the tourny.

West
1. McM
2. MHB
3. Concordia
4. Hardin-Simmons

-Sad that ETBU and Tyler could both be the second seed in the East but they will not be going to Dallas for the tourny. Again, just my opinion....does anyone have their own opinion?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on February 03, 2009, 02:55:30 PM
So now that we are halfway through the divisional play I wanted to know if anyone had any predictions on the top 4 teams on each side. Here are my thoughts:

East
1. UTD
2. LeT
3. MC
4. Ozarks

-A good team in ETBU ends up not making the tourny.

West
1. McM
2. MHB
3. Concordia
4. Hardin-Simmons

-Sad that ETBU and Tyler could both be the second seed in the East but they will not be going to Dallas for the tourny. Again, just my opinion....does anyone have their own opinion?
FINAL ETBU 87 LeTU 74 OT

The East just got tighter!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2009, 11:36:13 PM
West Division
School.............................. ASCOverall Remaining games
1.    McMurry13-214-5 hosts UMHB, CTX at SRSU/HPU/SU/TLU
2.    Mary Hardin-Baylor9-511-7at McM/HSU, CTX, at TLU, SU, SRSU/HPU
3.    Concordia6-87-11  at HSU/McM, at UMHB, at SU/ TLU/HPU/SRSU
4.    Schreiner 6-9 6-13at HPU/at SRSU, CTX, at UMHB/ HSU/McM
5T    Hardin-Simmons5-106-13CTX/UMHB/ at HPU,at SRSU, at TLU, at SU
5T   Texas Lutheran 5-10 5-13at SRSU/at HPU, UMHB, at CTX, McM/HSU
7T    Sul Ross State 4-114-14  TLU/SU/McM/HSU, at UMHB/ at CTX
7T   Howard Payne 4-114-15SU/TLU/HSU/McM, at CTX at UMHB

If CTX can beat UMHB on the road, then I think that they will eventually get a bid.

The fourth bid is up for grabs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 04, 2009, 09:20:15 AM
WEST PICKS:
                     McM
                     UMHB
                     CUA
                     Schreiner (3 home, 3 away -- HSU -- 2 home, 4 away)

EAST PICKS:
                     UTD
                     LeT
                     MC
                     Ozarks (too many home games)  UTT (too many away games left)
                     


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2009, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 04, 2009, 09:20:15 AM
WEST PICKS:
                     McM
                     UMHB
                     CUA
                     Schreiner (3 home, 3 away -- HSU -- 2 home, 4 away)

EAST PICKS:
                     UTD
                     LeT
                     MC
                     Ozarks (too many home games)  UTT (too many away games left)  
Hello jmnasuem!  You have been lurking too long!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 04, 2009, 11:07:55 AM
Ralph, I'll even go a step further and predict the records for the remaining games.  We gotta get some more postings!

UMHB can go 6-1 with their remaining games
Sul Ross        4-2
CUA               4-3
McM               3-3
Schreiner       3-3
HPU               3-3
HSU               2-4
TLU                0-6

Predicted Final Standings:

McM     16-5
UMHB   15-6
CUA     10-11
Sch      9-12
SR        8-13
HSU     7-14
HPU     7-14
TLU      5-16

It's fixing to get entertaining with the remaining games!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 04, 2009, 02:44:40 PM
Yeah, I don't know about those predictions. McMurry going 3-3 to finish? I realize four of the last six are on the road, but that just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 04, 2009, 04:17:23 PM
Look how close the games really were the first time around. (granted Moreno didn't play in some)

Beat SR by 10 -- Barely got HPU by 2 in a game that HPU dominated -- Barely got by Schreiner by 2 in OT -- Already been beat by UMHB -- and barely beat CUA by 6. 

AT Sul Ross, Howard Payne and Schreiner then having to play the second and third place teams in the West...... McM may go 2-4 over the last 6 games

February Madness in the ASC 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2009, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 04, 2009, 04:17:23 PM
Look how close the games really were the first time around. (granted Moreno didn't play in some)

Beat SR by 10* -- Barely got HPU by 2 in a game that HPU dominated -- Barely got by Schreiner by 2 in OT** -- Already been beat by UMHB*** -- and barely beat CUA by 6***. 

AT Sul Ross, Howard Payne and Schreiner then having to play the second and third place teams in the West...... McM may go 2-4 over the last 6 games

February Madness in the ASC 
* Moreno played less than 60 seconds.  FT 3-4, one steal that led to 2 more points.  Moreno changes that game from a 5 point game to a 10 point game.

** Without Moreno.

***Without Scott Hurley, freshman backup guard.  McMurry led by 16 with 2:40 left.  CTX just went 3-pt bonkers, as they are wont to do!  Having Hurley back ( when, I don't know) will give extra depth to the guard position.

I respect your comments.  McMurry has "the target" on its back, once again.  Everyone brings their "A" game against McMurry.

We can look at this stretch of games and see whether Moreno makes his case for MVP of the conference.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 04, 2009, 06:51:27 PM
Was anynone at the ETBwho and LeT it out game last night?  Looks like it was a good one. 

Here are my picks for the weekend:

HPU over SU-Tough one to call but going with the home team
CUA over HSU-Could be wild and crazy with all the three's going up
UTD over LC-Maybe picking against my team will help ???
McM over UMHB-McM bounces back to beat them at home(Will the coach being AD affect them?)
SRSU over TLU-Long trip for two what seems to be evenly matched teams
MC over UO-MC will be ready for them this go around.
UT-T over ETBU- ETBU is hot right now but I think the flame flickers on the road against a tuff Tyler team

McM over CUA
UTD over MC
UMHB over HSU-UMHB is playing well right now
LeT over Tyler-LeT bounces back to fluke loss to ETBU
SRSU over SU-Home team
UO over LC-Same reason as last pick
HPU over TLU


42-28 going into the weekend

I am not going to predict the final standings but if I were I would lean toward UO gettting the fourth spot.  The East is getting crazy with the ETBwho win last night.  I just don't know if they are for real or not and if they can keep winning the tough close games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on February 04, 2009, 09:32:51 PM
I was at the LETU and ETBU game last night? Did you have a question? Great atmosphere to be apart of.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2009, 08:43:54 AM
Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php) features Louisiana College tonight.

It audio-streams at 6-8pm EST, and will be archived for listening later.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 05, 2009, 09:43:14 AM
I know how good LeT is, how good is ETBU?  It looked like Vanright did not play too much,was it injury, or did ETBU do a good job on him.  This ETBU team is hard to figure and I wanted someone's opinion on how good they really are and are they going to threatin to get in the tournament and if so do they have a chance.  We beat them twice last year and I was not impressed with them all that much.  Just want some insight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 05, 2009, 10:08:21 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 05, 2009, 09:43:14 AM
I know how good LeT is, how good is ETBU?  It looked like Vanright did not play too much,was it injury, or did ETBU do a good job on him.  This ETBU team is hard to figure and I wanted someone's opinion on how good they really are and are they going to threatin to get in the tournament and if so do they have a chance.  We beat them twice last year and I was not impressed with them all that much.  Just want some insight.

Stop living in the past. No one cares that yall beat them twice last year. Yall were close to the tourney last year but yall have won one game this year. Last year doesnt matter. Vanwright played 30 minutes, heard he got hurt but thats a good amount of minutes. ETBU is good. they are so athletic and they can all shoot. Lafrance Cooper was one of the best players in the East last year and hes coming off the bench. I think they can beat anyone on any given night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 05, 2009, 02:13:48 PM
Pete,

No need to take a shot at me, I was only refering to last year because we weren't all that good last year and we really aren't good this year.  Unfortunatley everyone is beating us this year.  My reference to that was have they really gotten that much better since last year to be this good this year.  I should have explained that better but I promise you I am not living in the past as you say. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 05, 2009, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 05, 2009, 02:13:48 PM
Pete,

No need to take a shot at me, I was only refering to last year because we weren't all that good last year and we really aren't good this year.  Unfortunatley everyone is beating us this year.  My reference to that was have they really gotten that much better since last year to be this good this year.  I should have explained that better but I promise you I am not living in the past as you say. 

Not takin shots, you just basically said yall beat em twice last year so you dont see how they are good this year. And yall werent horrible last year, close to making the tourney. And i remind you that ETBU did make the tourney last year and did not lose many key players. Chambers and Pojah are solid at the post. Long and athletic, good on the defensive end. They attack the glass an can score. I think Morman is one of the most underrated. Just going by looks, turnipseed looks like a horrible player and hes not impressive during warm ups. Hes not very quick, hes not going to lock someone down on defense nor is he going to go by his defender. He looks kind of chunky an that could explain why he basically walks the whole time hes on the court besides when hes comin off the ball screen. He doesnt have good form and his shot is slow. With all that said, this kid can shoot. He gets his points. UT Tyler looks like the only team to shut him down and hold him to only 3 points. I think the only reason he scores is because teams cant figure out how to guard that ball screen. It will be interesting to see if UTT can shut him down again tonight. As i mentioned earlier Cooper was one of their best players last year and hes comin of the bench this year and doing a good job. None of the other subs are that impressive but this is a good squad. They can match the athletes that Ozarks and UTT have and they have a lot more size down low. Do not be surprised if this team sneaks in and gets the 4th seed. or even 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 05, 2009, 04:47:45 PM
53-22 so far

SU over HPU- They are on a roll, cant pick against em
CUA over HSU
UTD over LC- over in the first half
McM over UMHB
TLU over SRSU
UO over MC-UO almost won at MC without clark playing.
ETBU over UTT-Tyler hasnt showed up in weeks and ETBU is playing good.

McM over CUA
UTD over MC
UMHB over HSU
LeT over Tyler
SU over SRSU-
UO over LC- Gotta believe LC will win one game against the East i just have no clue who they are gonna sneak up on.
HPU over TLU


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on February 05, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
My picks:

Go Ozarks. Only thing I care about.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 06, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
Another interesting night in the conference! Thanks Pete for clearing that up and giving me some insight, I just had not seen them this year.

HPU over SU-Tough one to call but going with the home team: Correct
CUA over HSU-Could be wild and crazy with all the three's going up: Incorrect
UTD over LC-Maybe picking against my team will help: Correct :(
McM over UMHB-McM bounces back to beat them at home(Will the coach being AD affect them?): Incorrect
SRSU over TLU-Long trip for two what seems to be evenly matched teams: Correct
MC over UO-MC will be ready for them this go around.:Correct
UT-T over ETBU- ETBU is hot right now but I think the flame flickers on the road against a tuff Tyler team: Correct


47-30
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 06, 2009, 11:24:11 AM
McMurry is starting the slide !!
UMHB might end up as the West Champs !!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 06, 2009, 04:53:47 PM
Boy, when you make a mistake you ought to make a big one.

Last night I wrote a post, which has since been taken off...I thought, really thought, I saw the UMHB coach point at 'himself' during the game against McM last night.

Since, I've spoken to someone...And I stand corrected!  Instead of seeing that pointing with emphasis, it was just a coach wanting a call....Something we see in every game....Every time.

So sorry for those of you who actually saw that post...I sure was upset at what I 'thought' I saw...But now I know it was something really quite mundane.

Sorry guys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 06, 2009, 05:21:18 PM
Jungle,

Thanks for the apology (I think).  I sure wish I knew what you were talking about because it sounds interesting. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2009, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: thejungle on February 06, 2009, 04:53:47 PM
Boy, when you make a mistake you ought to make a big one.

Last night I wrote a post, which has since been taken off...I thought, really thought, I saw the UMHB coach point at 'himself' during the game against McM last night.

Since, I've spoken to someone...And I stand corrected!  Instead of seeing that pointing with emphasis, it was just a coach wanting a call....Something we see in every game....Every time.

So sorry for those of you who actually saw that post...I sure was upset at what I 'thought' I saw...But now I know it was something really quite mundane.

Sorry guys!

George,

Knowing what you do for a living, I would have thought you would have known better than to make those kind of allegations without the proof ready at hand.

I appreciate the apology but it's not a good replacement for using sound judgment in the first place.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 07, 2009, 06:41:38 PM
So I thought I'd comment on a couple of LETU games:

vs. ETBU: Give ETBU credit, they are a good team, not a great one.  They are very athletic, but I don't know how many GREAT basketball players they have.  Chambers is unbelievable down low, but when you muscle him up, he can get in foul trouble.  They match up with LETU so well in that they can shut down Vanwright and Smith by just throwing athletes at us.  The game was a lot closer than indicated, obviously since it went into OT.  ETBU executed in the extra frame, LETU didn't.  ETBU hit some big threes early on and that just put us away.

Vanwright is playing with a severly sprained shoulder he suffered against UTT at home last week.  He didn't play the last 6 minutes of that game.  He played with a wrap on his shoulder and that affected his game.  Still, I think ETBU gives him a lot of trouble b/c they play such great defense and can keep throwing athletes at him.

vs. UTT:  I just think we match up very well with this team.  I am not impressed with what UTT has other than Reese.  I really think ETBU is better than this team.  Rockmore had a great night in the win, notching a double double.  Vanwright scored 19, with a lot of those coming at the charity stripe.  Great win for LETU and move a game closer to UTD.  Oh how big that MC game is looking next week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 07, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
thank you LC for pulling off a big win at Ozarks.  Thanks to LETU as well, we are not done just yet.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 07, 2009, 07:42:29 PM
ETBU alum,

I always hate to help out ETBU ;) but I am just excited they got one and against a good team. I guess this is the one time I will say you are welcome.  Way to go guys!!!! Alum, you better be ready, our boys may just come down there and steal another one! ;D




McM over CUA-Correct
UTD over MC-Incorrect
UMHB over HSU-UMHB is playing well right now-Correct
LeT over Tyler-LeT bounces back to fluke loss to ETBU-Correct
SRSU over SU-Home team-Correct
UO over LC-Same reason as last pick-INCORRECT!!!! 8)
HPU over TLU-Incorrect

51-33, not a bad weekend on picks but pullin the record up.  Goal is to be 20 games up at the end of the year. I may have to keep picking against LC just to have us win a few!!!


GO CATS
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 12:45:27 AM
Much better performance by McM vs CTX.  They played a good 34-35 minutes of the game, with only occasional lapses of BADD (Baller Acute Deficiency Disease).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on February 08, 2009, 01:39:53 PM
Does anyone know the typical tournament schedule?  i.e. How many games on each day and typical start times?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2009, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: TheBuzz on February 08, 2009, 01:39:53 PM
Does anyone know the typical tournament schedule?  i.e. How many games on each day and typical start times?

This is what it looked like last year.  I assume it will follow the same set-up.

http://www.ascsports.org/news/mbball/2008/2/28/ASC_08BKBTOURNEYS_LINKS.asp?path=mbball (http://www.ascsports.org/news/mbball/2008/2/28/ASC_08BKBTOURNEYS_LINKS.asp?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2009, 03:43:47 PM
HOW HUGE are the last games of the season this year shaping out to be!

UTD @ LETU - a battle to secure anywhere between the 1st thru 3rd playoff spots.

UO @ ETBU - potential battle for the 4th and final playoff spot.

UTT @ MC - UTT hoping to nab a spot in the tourney, while MC could be jockeying for the 1st thru 3rd spots.

Somewhat fitting for LC not to be playing on the last day, however, can they play the roll of spoliers - see recent Ozarks game when LC went on the road and beat a very good Ozarks team. 

BTW - UTD has officially clinched a tournament spot.  LETU needs 1 more win or ETBU/UO loss. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 04:25:14 PM
Okay, ETBU fans...

If you don't make the tournament, please consider whether crossover games should count towards the divisonal standings and the tourney.

Team......Conference...West...East...
UTD13-37-16-2
LeTU12-47-15-3
MissColl11-55-36-2
UTT9-77-12-6
ETBU8-83-55-3
UOz8-85-33-5
LaColl2-141-71-7

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2009, 04:30:48 PM
I can tell you for certain that the crossover games will continue to count for a few more years for sure.  In fact, the vote wasn't even close. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 04:37:14 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 08, 2009, 04:30:48 PM
I can tell you for certain that the crossover games will continue to count for a few more years for sure.  In fact, the vote wasn't even close. 
Oh, I don't doubt that the vote may not have been close.

Sometimes you just keep trying to pound the lesson into thick skulls who don't understand, yet.

That is the nature of coaching!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 10, 2009, 09:07:02 AM
Let's just take the top six East teams and the top two West teams to the tourney. 
The East is stronger, plus keep the losing records out!! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsusid on February 10, 2009, 12:38:12 PM
Never heard any complaining when it was the East having a bad year. There have been losing records in the tournament before. It goes in cycles.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 10, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
Quote from: hsusid on February 10, 2009, 12:38:12 PM
Never heard any complaining when it was the East having a bad year. There have been losing records in the tournament before. It goes in cycles.

you werent listening, it happens everytime it swings back and forth.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 10, 2009, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 10, 2009, 09:07:02 AM
Let's just take the top six East teams and the top two West teams to the tourney. 
The East is stronger, plus keep the losing records out!! 

HPU (loosing record) beat Mississippi (winning record).   

Go figure. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 11, 2009, 09:08:51 AM
Hee Hee; I was just a joking -- Trying to get the message board going
It worked!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on February 11, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
Does anyone know if Coach Drummond will keep this job, or if they are going to hire an outsider.  If so, any ideas?

http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/2dfbd7c6f/head-coach-opening-howard-payne-university-tx/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 11, 2009, 01:16:51 PM
Ralph,

With McM men on the road for these four games, are you getting ready to hit the road?
Can McM survive and hold onto the lead?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 11, 2009, 01:16:51 PM
Ralph,

With McM men on the road for these four games, are you getting ready to hit the road?
Can McM survive and hold onto the lead?
jmnaseum, I will follow the games on the audio-stream.  I have been able to see the last three Saturday games, but I need to work over the next three weekends.

I think that Coach Holmes is finally getting these men to do what they need to do.

I really believe in Robert Moreno, the point guard.  I just need the men to play all 40 minutes.  The performance against CTX last Saturday was excellent.  We have not matched up well versus UMHB.

If we play Coach Holmes' game plan, then we will do okay.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 11, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
Quote from: NJBalla35 on February 11, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
Does anyone know if Coach Drummond will keep this job, or if they are going to hire an outsider.  If so, any ideas?

http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/2dfbd7c6f/head-coach-opening-howard-payne-university-tx/
I hope so.  The players seem to really play hard for him.  He's been giving everyone playing time, and that includes a lot of freshmen.  Even though they have a loosing record, they've always put out a great effort and kept games competative.  They have a bright future if everyone stays in place.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on February 11, 2009, 04:01:31 PM
Can someone help with the tie-breaking procedure if UT-Dallas and LETU end up with same conference record and split the season series?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 11, 2009, 05:29:29 PM
I believe it goes to head to head records against the top teams in the East. For instance, if they are tied for first it will go to their records against MC and on down the line until the tie is broken.  If any of the two of UTT, ETBU and OU tie for fourth it will be determined by the record against the 1st place team in the East.

Im not 100% on thats how I think the tie breaker is broken if the season series is split
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 06:32:17 PM
ASC Tie-breaker (http://www.ascsports.org/Sports/ASC/2007/ASCTIEBREAK.asp?tab=asc)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 11, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
Just to clarify this point, I am going to use the ASC teams an ideal example of how not to use the system to your advantage.  The ASC appears to be the conference with the most "in-bred" schedules, meaning nearly all of their opponents and opponents' opponents are from the same group of teams (the other teams in the ASC).  As comparison, I will use the NESCAC and UAA as counter examples (each has advantages due to different reasons)

OWP and OOWP for ASC teams (with 4-6 conference games to go, these numbers will likely approach 0.500 even more):

Taxas-Dallas 0.521 0.515
Letourneau 0.521 0.511
Miss. College 0.520 0.501
Texas-Tyler  0.537 0.508
East Texas Baptist 0.503 0.509
Ozarks 0.503 0.507
LA College 0.520 0.503

McMurry 0.511 0.514
MHB 0.550 0.509
Concordia 0.473 0.494
Hardin Simmons 0.503 0.510
Sul Ross State 0.466 0.504
Texas Lutheran  0.467 0.504
Schreiner 0.499 0.501
Howard Payne 0.466 0.504

Even though each of these teams has about 20% of their games left (and all of them in conference), all of the OWP and OOWP numbers are clustered very close to 0.500.  In fact, only one team, MHB, has an OWP of 0.55 or higher and only 2 have OWP have OWP's of 0.525 or higher. In terms of OOWP, there is no team with a value greater than 0.515.

The NESCAC, on the other hand:

Middlebury 0.515 0.516
Amehrst 0.491 0.552
Williams 0.522 0.534
Colby 0.582 0.526
Bowdoin 0.582 0.518
Trinity 0.573 0.533
Bates 0.573 0.514
Conn College 0.506 0.532
Wesleyan 0.536 0.501
Tufts 0.555 0.530

We see here that 5 of 10 teams have OWPs over 0.55.  In the NESCAC, the OWP is more of a reflection of the schedule that the teams scheduled out of conference.  You can also see that Amherst's OWP is the lowest in the conference, while their OOWP is the highest.  This is likely due to the fact that their out-of-conference schedule was filled with cupcakes while most of their other opponents, including those in the conference, played tougher schedules so Amherst's OOWP is high.

Here is another example, the UAA, that you would expect to have a range of OWP and OOWP because there will likely be very little "in-breeding" in their out of conference schedules beause they are in geographically different regions:

WashU 0.560 0.545
CMU 0.520 0.537
Rochester  0.543 0.538
Brandeis 0.605 0.540
Case 0.553 0.520
Chicago 0.594 0.533
NYU 0.532 0.536
Emory  0.530 0.503

We see that although the UAA plays more conference games (given the season is not over yet and each team has 5 more conference games) than the NESCAC, they are also at an advantage because most teams play in different regions of the country and therefore have less common opponents in their out of conference schedules (or less "in-breeding" within their schedules).  All teams but one have OWP greater than 0.525 and 4 of 8 have higher than 0.55.
hugenerd, I have been applauding your posts for a couple of weeks now!

This post is worth dozens of karma!  There are several of us in the ASC who have been fighting this.  I will cut-and-paste this on the ASC board.


Here is another analysis (from the Pool C board) of what we are not doing to help ASC teams to get NCAA Pool C bids.  We have been used as an example of doing it the wrong way!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 01:43:20 AM
And Mary Hardin-Baylor, the one with the statistically high OWP, is the one that invited UW-Whitewater to its tournament and scheduled Trinity and Southwestern. Ken DeWeese gets it. LetU is benefiting from that schedule as well. UTD and UTT are benefiting from Guilford's presence in UTD's tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on February 12, 2009, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 01:43:20 AM
And Mary Hardin-Baylor, the one with the statistically high OWP, is the one that invited UW-Whitewater to its tournament and scheduled Trinity and Southwestern. Ken DeWeese gets it. LetU is benefiting from that schedule as well. UTD and UTT are benefiting from Guilford's presence in UTD's tourney.

UMHB has a win over UW-W #5 in the West region and 2 over McMurry #4 in the South. Almost all of their losses have been to ranked teams.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 12, 2009, 05:30:11 PM

SU over HPU- X
CUA over HSU X
UTD over LC-
McM over UMHB X
TLU over SRSU X
UO over MC-UO X
ETBU over UTT- X

McM over CUA
UTD over MC X
UMHB over HSU
LeT over Tyler
SU over SRSU- X
UO over LC- Gotta believe LC will win one game against the East i just have no clue who they are gonna sneak up on...X i kinda predicted it lol
HPU over TLU X



57-32
horrible week for me
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 12, 2009, 05:40:39 PM
CTX over SU
ETBU over LC
MC over LeT
UTT over UTD
McM over SRSU
HPU over HSU
UMHB over TLU

UMHB over SU
HSU over SRSU
McM over HPU
MC over ETBU
LeT over LC
UTT over UO
CTX over TLU

horrible week for me so i went with some upsets...
Dont look now, but MC is makin a push to get the tournament in Clinton. They can do it with some big wins an UTD slippin up twice.
UTT just wants to get in an I think they will get two big wins this weekend to help the cause.
The bottom of the West is very confusing. CTX will seperate a little bit this week. While TLU an SU go 0-2.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 12, 2009, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2009, 01:43:20 AM
And Mary Hardin-Baylor, the one with the statistically high OWP, is the one that invited UW-Whitewater to its tournament and scheduled Trinity and Southwestern. Ken DeWeese gets it. LetU is benefiting from that schedule as well. UTD and UTT are benefiting from Guilford's presence in UTD's tourney.
Pat,
    I agree that Coach DeWeese does as good a job as any coach in the South working the current system, and he does get it. But you're post also highlights the still existing obstacles teams in the south face with the current system.

    UMHB has four remaining opponents with a record of 23-59. Coach DeWeese has as good a schedule as possible for his situation, but when those four games are factored in his OWP will probably be slightly below .500. And his OOWP will also be about .500.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2009, 12:59:46 AM
When McMurry was 4th in this week's regional rankings, I had great hope for McMurry to get a Pool C bid if McM finished the regular season undefeated and had a very good tourney.

Blowing a 12-point halftime lead tonight chucks all of that out the window.

Now if McMurry wants to play an NCAA playoff game, then they must win the tourney!  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 13, 2009, 08:36:56 AM
McM is 3/4 of the way down the slide! 

                UMHB
                McM
                CUA
                Schreiner

What do you think?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2009, 09:41:06 AM
Blowing that game last night as well as the one a week ago against UMHB probably also throws out the window Robert Moreno's chances of any special awards.  Does the conference give players special mention if their team can't even win their division?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 13, 2009, 12:06:58 PM
The standings may get a lot tighter after tomorrows games.  HPU played a great game without one of their leading scorers (sick) against HSU.   Their game in Abilene against McM is still fresh on their minds.  Should be a great game.  I hope McM brings a lot of fans.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 13, 2009, 02:02:52 PM
Good thing I did not get my picks in, I would have done poorly but here they are for Saturdays games.

UMHB over SU
SRSU over Hardin Simmons
McM over HPU
MC over ETBU
LeT over LC-Picking against them again, I hope it works
UTT over UO
CTX over TLU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 13, 2009, 04:37:44 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 13, 2009, 02:02:52 PM
Good thing I did not get my picks in, I would have done poorly but here they are for Saturdays games.

UMHB over SU
SRSU over Hardin Simmons  
McM over HPU    ???
MC over ETBU
LeT over LC-Picking against them again, I hope it works
UTT over UO
CTX over TLU

I thought I would help you get some right, so I edited  ;D

UMHB over SU
Hardin Simmons over SRSU    :o
HPU over McM   ;)
MC over ETBU
LeT over LC-Picking against them again, I hope it works
UTT over UO
CTX over TLU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 13, 2009, 06:03:44 PM
Thanks jacket! I need all the help i can get these days.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 13, 2009, 06:03:44 PM
Thanks jacket! I need all the help i can get these days.
You should not have let him do that!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 15, 2009, 08:58:48 AM
OOPS! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 15, 2009, 10:22:36 AM
UMHB over SU-Correct
SRSU over Hardin Simmons-Correct
McM over HPU-Correct
MC over ETBU-Correct
LeT over LC-Picking against them again, I hope it works-Correct :(
UTT over UO-Correct
CTX over TLU-Correct

58-33

Got all of them right on Saturday, I think that is the first time all year.  It has been a wild year so far and we still have one week to go.  My hats off to everyone, just about everyone has a spot to play for except for my Wildcats.  Josh, play hard this week, it will be over very soon.  Maybe you can go out strong!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on February 15, 2009, 08:58:48 AM
OOPS! ;D
I always love beating Horrid Pain University.   ;D

I take consolation in the fact that HPU Women were waiting for McMurry women and we were beaten by a very good team. 

We will get our chance at you in the tourney!

Speaking as an ASC fan, I just hope the ASC banner-carrier goes to the Final Four again.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 15, 2009, 10:22:36 AM
UMHB over SU-Correct
SRSU over Hardin Simmons-Correct
McM over HPU-Correct
MC over ETBU-Correct
LeT over LC-Picking against them again, I hope it works-Correct :(
UTT over UO-Correct
CTX over TLU-Correct

58-33

Got all of them right on Saturday, I think that is the first time all year.  It has been a wild year so far and we still have one week to go.  My hats off to everyone, just about everyone has a spot to play for except for my Wildcats.  Josh, play hard this week, it will be over very soon.  Maybe you can go out strong!
+1 #1ascfanman!

I have enjoyed your predictions.  Josh Johnson has been a fun one to follow this season.  Best wishes to him after he graduates.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 15, 2009, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on February 12, 2009, 05:40:39 PM
CTX over SU
ETBU over LC
MC over LeT
UTT over UTD......X
McM over SRSU....X
HPU over HSU
UMHB over TLU

UMHB over SU
HSU over SRSU.....X
McM over HPU
MC over ETBU
LeT over LC
UTT over UO
CTX over TLU


67-35 entering the last weekend.



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2009, 03:55:38 PM
Great article (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/highschool/02/13/0213maine.html) from the front page about 6 guys from the Austin area who are playing in Biddeford ME at the Univ of New England.

The up-tempo style of ball seems to give them trouble in the Commonwealth Coast Conference, and seems to substantiate the CTX victory over WPI.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
UT-Arlington (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=45819) is building a special-events center.

The days of basketball games in Texas Hall may be numbered!   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 18, 2009, 09:20:33 AM
Who is grab the 3rd and 4th spots? 
                                                        Schreiner, Sull Ross, TLU or HSU

UMHB is gonna win it !!
McM is gonna get second !!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
Regional rankings are out:

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/18/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2-3/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on February 18, 2009, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
Regional rankings are out:

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/18/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2-3/

After seeing Pabegg's unoffical RPI numbers earlier this week, I was hoping MC would take the #6 spot in the regional rankings. MC has better OWP and OOWP numbers than McMurry and DePauw, who were both ahead of us. I can at least see the committee arguing the head to head between MC and McMurry giving MCM the nod, but how does MC come behind DePauw. MC has two more regional wins and better OWP and OOWP numbers.

Not a good week for MC in the regional rankings, for the men or the women. It would be nice if the NCAA published the committee members and the RPI numbers so we could see what they see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on February 19, 2009, 12:13:02 AM
Chris, it probably isn't a big deal because if MC teams are  good enough to make the NCAA  tournaments  they will keep winning anyway and if they were ranked higher they would have had  to continue to win to stay ranked.  I want to remind you that MC's leading scorer Bryan Johnson 19 ppg didn't play vs McMurry. The committee obviously didnt consider the records of late because MC  has done very well of late.  The Men  13-2
and the woman only one loss since the holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2009, 07:18:49 AM
McMurry has a record of 2-1 versus in-region ranked opponents .

W:  UTD, Moss College
L:   North Central IL

Miss College

W: UTD
L:  UTD, McM

Maybe that is it.

Besides, I don't think that McMurry is a full rung on the ladder ahead of MissColl.  As I look at the numbers, the only team that gets into the Tourney as a Pool C is UT-Dallas, if they don't fall on their faces.

McMurry (and I believe Miss Coll) must win the tourney.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2009, 10:22:11 PM
HPU 89 CUA 68 Final.  Good win by HPU but may be a tad bit too late.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2009, 10:29:25 PM
McM 69 TLU 54 Final.

In the game, Jonathan Walker was (incorrectly) assigned a 4th foul, three in the second half.  The Livestats stopped at 18 minutes in the second half. Walker had only one foul on the livestats in the first half and into the first 2 minutes of the second half.

It appears that the "official" scorer mis-assigned a foul to Walker who had to miss about 10 minutes of the second half.  This discussion of Walker's foul status lasted about 5-10 minutes, but did not re-instate Walker.  Because the "official monitor" was not at the floor level, but was up in the second level at Memorial, it was not available for review.

McMurry clinches at tie for the ASC-West, but must win at Schreiner to lock in the #1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 19, 2009, 10:33:09 PM
etbu 74 utd 58 final
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 19, 2009, 11:56:11 PM
UMHB 78 SRSU 64 Final...that road loss to Schreiner has hurt UMHB in terms of the west 1 seed.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 20, 2009, 09:40:17 AM
LETU - 87
UO - 80
FINAL

In the first halff of the LETU-UO game, no one could miss.  The fans got into the act last night when a LETU student hit half-court shot and won a year's supply of chic-fil-a, and he wasn't even the highlight of the first half.  Ozarks (10) and LETU (6) combine to hit 16 threes in the first half in what was a back and forth contest throughout the night in a nice win for LETU.  The second half was a different story in the shooting category as Ozarks went 3-14 behind the arc - though a few of those came with about 45 seconds left to play and they started jacking shots up - and LETU only attempted 4 in the frame. 

Seniors D.Smith and Evers led the LETU attack with 24 and 20 for the game and the Jackets battled back from 4 down with about 4:00 to play to secure a nice 7 point win.  Ozarks was led by Chris Williams with 23, Jeremy Clark with 20 and Colby Woolverton with 15 off the bench.  Ozarks suited up only 8 men for the game and it showed in the second half.  As the game wore on late in the second half, LETU seemed to be a step quicker to loose balls and grabbing rebounds. 

You could hardly tell that LETU was missing their best player - Vanwright - who could possibly see some court on Saturday.  Saturday's game is huge for LETU, hoping to possibly secure that 2 seed and a share of a division title.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 20, 2009, 10:00:26 AM
It's always fun to speculate on awards, so I figure I'd give out some early awards:

POY
Bryan Johnson - MC
From my understanding, MC's losses all came with him either out of the game or injured while playing.  Seeing him play made me a believer.  Provides a very strong post presence, but with his quick feet, makes him difficult to match up with.

Other nominees
Dale Vanwright - LETU
While we see that LETU can win without him, he truly is a difference maker and a leader of this team.  When he gets hot, no one can stop him.  Had too many games where he scored in single digits.  Probably the best OVERALL player in the conference (I know, I am bias  ;D )
Anthony Reese - UTT
Had the best individual performance from any player that I've seen.  Seems to have been consistent throughout the year.  If his team makes the playoffs, he might move ahead of Dale in these rankings
Temaine Wright - UTD
Best player on the best team.  I haven't seen him play yet, so I could be wrong.

Newcomer
Dale Vanwright - LETU
I don't even think this is going to be a close vote.  On the flip side, I am too lazy to do any research to find out if there is anyone else worth considering.  Still, I think this is a no-brainer

Defensive POY
Josh Chambers - ETBU
I am going off of what I've seen him do against LETU.  He is unbelievably athletic and had quiet a few block shots. 
Clarence Jeffery - MC
Harrassed our guards all day long and seems to be very quick
Josh Davis - LETU
I believe he is the most underrated player in our conference (as McM and what he did to them).  Coaches son who matches up against the best player.  Helped hold J.Johnson, LC, to only 6 points in the first meeting. 

Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD
Best team, National Ranking
Bob Davis - LETU
Improvement of last year's record, playing for opportunity of first every Division title. 

1st Team
Dale Vanwright - LETU
Bryan Johnson - MC
Josh Johnson - LC
Anthony Reese - UTT
JJ Rockmore - LETU

2nd Team
Dusty Evers - LETU
Hakeem Kareem - UTT
Chris Williams - UO
Jeremy Clark - UO
Temaine Wright - UTD

Honorable Mention
Tony Brock - UO
Jacob Turnipseed - ETBU
Jeremiah Pojah - ETBU
Clarence Jeffery - MC
Ernie Lowry - UTD

Just my thoughts - by no means am I an ESPN analyst.  Just thought I'd cause a rutkus :-)

Not very often an LETU fan can start bragging about their team!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 20, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
Ralph, Help me out on the Wild Wild West.
McM and UMHB are in.  If Concordia and HSU win they are in.
If Sul Ross and HSU win they are in.
With a Concordia win and a HSU win CUA will finish in third.  HSU and SR will tie and then go down the list of tie breaking procedures.  I think all is even until the Mississippi game, where HSU won and SR lost.  Am I correct?

What a scenerio
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 20, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
never mind my last post.  by virtue of McM sweeping HSU, HSU is eliminated.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 20, 2009, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: jmnaseum on February 20, 2009, 10:34:52 AM
Ralph, Help me out on the Wild Wild West.
McM and UMHB are in.  If Concordia and HSU win they are in.
If Sul Ross and HSU win they are in.
With a Concordia win and a HSU win CUA will finish in third.  HSU and SR will tie and then go down the list of tie breaking procedures.  I think all is even until the Mississippi game, where HSU won and SR lost.  Am I correct?

What a scenerio


Isn't Sul Ross in whether they win or lose?
Sul Ross has the tie breaker over HSU and HPU because they beat McMurry.

If Sul Ross beats Concordia and HPU beats UMHB, HPU goes to the tourney because they split with HSU but would have the better record against UMHB who is higher in the standings.  Also they swept Concordia and would knock them out.  I think that's right.

You are right HSU should be eliminated.



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 20, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
Bearkkat:

I assume you are just looking at players for the East division since you don't mention a single west player(?) 

I think it will be a tight vote between Gaddy at UMHB and Moreno at McMurry for West POY. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 20, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: rimrocker on February 20, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
Bearkkat:

I assume you are just looking at players for the East division since you don't mention a single west player(?) 

I think it will be a tight vote between Gaddy at UMHB and Moreno at McMurry for West POY. 

That is correct.  I haven't seen all the teams from the West - though I've seen both of those players that you mentioned.  If I had a vote, Moreno would be my POY. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 21, 2009, 08:54:26 AM
I could not bring myself to pick on Thursday this being LC's and Josh's last game.  Josh, you have been a great player to keep up with and you have always made LC proud.  I wish you the best of luck in the future in whatever it is you do.  I hope you give playing overseas a try.  Thanks for you hard work.   

I guess I will pick for the last day. This is a huge day considering many schools seasons rest on today. 


TLU over HSU
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!
CUA over Sul Ross
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.
UMHB over HPU
UT-D over LeT.




58-33 on the season
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 21, 2009, 08:54:26 AM
I could not bring myself to pick on Thursday this being LC's and Josh's last game.  Josh, you have been a great player to keep up with and you have always made LC proud.  I wish you the best of luck in the future in whatever it is you do.  I hope you give playing overseas a try.  Thanks for you hard work.   

I guess I will pick for the last day. This is a huge day considering many schools seasons rest on today. 


TLU over HSU
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!
CUA over Sul Ross
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.
UMHB over HPU
UT-D over LeT.

58-33 on the season
Just curious...

What would your record have been this year if you had not picked any LaCollege games?  Please take those games out of your total and re-tally the numbers.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ASCfan237 on February 21, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
POY
Bryan Johnson - MC
--Best player in the conference
2. Dale Vanwright- close second


Newcomer
Dale Vanwright - LETU

Defensive POY
Josh Chambers - ETBU_ keeps players from even entering the lane.


Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD- Not very talented but run their stuff to perfection
(Sidenote: Bob Davis - LETU- does not deserve this award. He underachieved last year and did not make the playoffs and this year his team is stacked. He should win every game by 20 with the likes of Evers, Vanwright, Smith, and Rockmore. I am pretty sure if any other team in the conference had Vanwright they would be dominating too.) 

1st Team
Dale Vanwright - LETU
Bryan Johnson - MC
Josh Johnson - LC
Anthony Reese - UTT
Temaine Wright - UTD (only because they have a great record. They are well rounded so it is hard to put him in here over the other two wings but I think he is more important).


2nd Team
Josh Chambers - ETBU
Hakeem Kareem - UTT
Chris Williams - UO
JJ Rockmore - LETU
Ernie Lowry - UTD

Honorable Mention
Jacob Turnipseed - ETBU
Jeremiah Pojah - ETBU
Clarence Jeffery - MC
Jeremy Clark - UO
Marlon Hill- UTT
Dusty Evers - LETU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 21, 2009, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on February 21, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD- Not very talented but run their stuff to perfection
(Sidenote: Bob Davis - LETU- does not deserve this award. He underachieved last year and did not make the playoffs and this year his team is stacked. He should win every game by 20 with the likes of Evers, Vanwright, Smith, and Rockmore. I am pretty sure if any other team in the conference had Vanwright they would be dominating too.) 


I definitley see your arguement, but in his defense, I don't think you are giving enough credit to how good our league is to even consider anyone winning games by 20 points.  If that were the arguement every year, MC wouldn't even get any consideration.  Please also consider that Coach Davis RECRUITED these studs and convienced them to come to the most expensive school in the conference. 

Last year, LETU did underachieve, but we also lost our starting PG - which we see can be a very important aspect of the game (look at McM)

So with that being saidm while I see your argument, let's not just rule him out yet :-) 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 06:19:51 PM
McMurry 97 SU 78
UT-D beat LeTU.
Tourneys are at UT-Dallas for the men and McMurry for the women.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 21, 2009, 07:12:02 PM
Jmnaseum,

I guess your prediction about the McM slide did not turn out the way you wanted huh?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 07:20:08 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 04:25:14 PM
Okay, ETBU fans...

If you don't make the tournament, please consider whether crossover games should count towards the divisional standings and the tourney.

Team......Conference...West...East...
UTD13-37-16-2
LeTU12-47-15-3
MissColl11-55-36-2
UTT9-77-12-6
ETBU8-83-55-3
UOz8-85-33-5
LaColl2-141-71-7



Crossover games counted towards the tourney...revisited!


Team......Conference...West...East...
UTD16-47-19-3
LeTU14-67-17-5
MissColl14-65-39-3
UTT12-87-15-7
ETBU11-93-58-4
UOz8-125-33-9
LaColl2-181-71-11

ETBU is in if only ASC-East division games count.

MissColl would have three losses in East Division play (ETBU, UT-D, UT-T)
UT-D would have three losses in East Division play (UOz, MissColl, at ETBU).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 08:05:12 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 07:55:25 PM
ASC-West Crossover Game Record


Team.............W/L.......Key Outcome + Losses added
McM6-1Lost at UTT 62-66
CTX4-3Lost to UTD; lost at LeTU, MissColl. Beat LaColl 85-74, beat UTT 98-83
UMHB3-4Lost to UTD, UTT; lost at LeTU, MissColl
HSU2-5Lost at UT-T, at LeTU, atETBU, Lost to UOz, UTD
HPU2-5Lost to LeTU, ETBU; lost at UOz, at UTD, at UTT
SRSU2-5Loss to MissColl, LeTU; loss at UTT, UOz, UTD
TLU2-5Lost to UTT, LeTU; lost at MC, at UTD, at UOz
Schreiner0-7Lost to UTT, LeTU, ETBU; Lost at LC, MC, UOz, UTD

ASC-East Crossover Game Record


Team.............W/L.......Key Outcome
UTD7-1Loss at McM 61-63
LeTU7-1Loss at McM 63-65
UTT7-1Loss at CUA 83-98
UOzarks5-3Loss at CUA 87-91, at UMHB 69-83, at McM 79-82
MissColl5-3Loss at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71
ETBU3-5Beat HPU, HSU, Schreiner
LaColl1-7Beat Schreiner
If Crossover games did not count towards the ASC-West title...


Team.........W/L East..W/L West..Overall
McM6-111-317-4
UMHB3-413-116-5
CTX4-35-99-12
SRSU2-56-88-13*
HSU2-56-88-13
HPU2-55-97-14
TLU2-54-106-15
Schreiner0-76-86-15

*SRSU is the #4 seed by virtue of its win over McMurry.

UMHB wins the West.

I still believe that that is a bad rule and I hope that it is changed for next year.  If we were not counting East Region games, then late-developing Schreiner would be the 4th seed by virtue of their win over UMHB.

CTX is knocked out of the playoffs under this scenario.  The travel inequities are just not fair in this conference.

Don't count the Crossover Games towards the Divisional title!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 21, 2009, 09:27:53 PM
ralph

you are preaching to the choir.  Etbu won 8 of the last 11 or something like that, but the hole we dug with early losses was too much.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 09:30:12 PM
Quote from: etbualum on February 21, 2009, 09:27:53 PM
ralph

you are preaching to the choir.  Etbu won 8 of the last 11 or something like that, but the hole we dug with early losses was too much.
Precisely!

Maybe we can get that changed next year!

BTW, are you a bass or a tenor?   :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2009, 10:08:29 PM
This year's tourney has another chance for men's and women's teams to share the throne room.

The teams in bold are those in which both the men's and women's teams have won a divisional crown or a share of the crown.  Since the beginning of divisional play, no team has won both Men's and Women's ASC Conference titles.

Year ASC Champion East Division West Division NCAA Championship
1997Austin College
Howard Payne
McMurry
***
1998Mississippi College***
1999 Mississippi College Mississippi College McMurry Mississippi College
2000 McMurry Mississippi College McMurryMcMurry (Sectional final)
2001 McMurry Mississippi College McMurry McMurry (Sectional)
2002 Mississippi College Mississippi College McMurry Mississippi College
2003 Mississippi College East Texas Baptist Sul Ross State Mississippi College
2004 Sul Ross State Mississippi College Texas-Dallas Sul Ross State Sul Ross State (Sectional)
2005 Texas-Dallas Mississippi College Hardin-Simmons McMurry Sul Ross StateMississippi College Texas-Dallas
2006 Mississippi College Mississippi College Howard Payne Mississippi College (Sectional)
2007 Mississippi College Mississippi College Mary Hardin-Baylor Mississippi College (Sectional)
Mary Hardin-Baylor (First Round)
2008Mary Hardin-BaylorMississippi College Mary Hardin-Baylor Mary Hardin-Baylor (Second Round)
2009*Texas-DallasMcMurry*


YearASC ChampionEast DivisionWest Division NCAA Championship
1997Austin College Ozarks***
1998Austin College Hardin-Simmons Mississippi College***
1999 Hardin-Simmons Austin CollegeHardin-SimmonsAustin College (Second Round)
Hardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2000 Hardin-Simmons East Texas Baptist Mississippi College Hardin-Simmons McMurryHardin-Simmons (Sectional final)
  McMurry (Sectional)
2001 Hardin-Simmons Mississippi CollegeHardin-SimmonsHardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2002 Hardin-Simmons Ozarks East Texas BaptistHardin-SimmonsHardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2003 Hardin-Simmons Mississippi College Hardin-SimmonsHardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2004 Hardin-Simmons Mississippi College Hardin-Simmons Hardin-Simmons (Sectional final)
2005 Howard Payne Texas-TylerHardin-Simmons Howard Payne (First Round)
2006 McMurry Mississippi College Texas-Tyler McMurry Hardin-Simmons (Final Four)
Howard Payne (Second Round)
McMurry (First Round)
2007 Howard Payne East Texas Baptist Howard PayneHoward Payne (Sectional)
McMurry (First Round)
2008 Howard Payne Texas-Tyler Howard Payne Howard Payne (National Champion)
McMurry (Second Round)
2009*Texas-DallasMcMurry*


Source:  ASC
Corrections appreciated
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 22, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
TLU over HSU-Incorrect
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!-Incorrect
CUA over Sul Ross-Correct
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM-Correct
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.-Correct
UMHB over HPU-Correct
UT-D over LeT.-Correct




63-35 on the season.  Not bad, Ralph i am not sure exactly but I think I probably would have had about 16 more wins if I had not picked LC.  Would have been a pretty good year.  I am not an ETBwho fan but if I am themn I am not happy Sul Ross gets in and they don't.  I think the conferene should actually be embarrased by this.  They might as well just let everyone compete in the tournament if they are going to do it this way.


Predictions for the tournament:

McMurry over Tyler-Could go either way though.
MC over CTX
UMHB over LeT
UT-D over Sul Ross


McM over MC
UMHB over UT-D

McM over UMHB



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2009, 02:45:48 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 22, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
TLU over HSU-Incorrect
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!-Incorrect
CUA over Sul Ross-Correct
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM-Correct
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.-Correct
UMHB over HPU-Correct
UT-D over LeT.-Correct




63-35 on the season.  Not bad, Ralph i am not sure exactly but I think I probably would have had about 16 more wins if I had not picked LC.  Would have been a pretty good year.  I am not an ETBwho fan but if I am themn I am not happy Sul Ross gets in and they don't.  I think the conferene should actually be embarrased by this.  They might as well just let everyone compete in the tournament if they are going to do it this way.


Predictions for the tournament:

McMurry over Tyler-Could go either way though.
MC over CTX
UMHB over LeT
UT-D over Sul Ross


McM over MC
UMHB over UT-D

McM over UMHB
81-19!  That is about 6 games better than most of the statistical indices do.  ;)

Let me look at the SRSU season more closely, and I will get back to you on that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 22, 2009, 05:05:14 PM
Not sure how mad ETBU fans can be since we lost to SRSU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2009, 02:45:48 PM
...
Let me look at the SRSU season more closely, and I will get back to you on that.

Here is what Home Court Advantage/Road Margin means for SRSU...

Team Road HomeSwing
HPU-19+1322
UMHB-14-311
CTX-12+517
McM-10+313
HSU-12+1123
SU-4+48
TLU-3+710

That is an average of 14.8 ppg in the swing.

SRSU went 6-8 against the West.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 23, 2009, 05:49:25 PM
What is the status of Van Wright for the tournament? The students at LeT have been very involved this year (with the men's team, not so much the women's). Looks like they only like them when they are winning. Im sure it would be a major disappointment if Van Wright cant play and they lose to UMHB in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 23, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 21, 2009, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on February 21, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD- Not very talented but run their stuff to perfection
(Sidenote: Bob Davis - LETU- does not deserve this award. He underachieved last year and did not make the playoffs and this year his team is stacked. He should win every game by 20 with the likes of Evers, Vanwright, Smith, and Rockmore. I am pretty sure if any other team in the conference had Vanwright they would be dominating too.) 


I definitley see your arguement, but in his defense, I don't think you are giving enough credit to how good our league is to even consider anyone winning games by 20 points.  If that were the arguement every year, MC wouldn't even get any consideration.  Please also consider that Coach Davis RECRUITED these studs and convienced them to come to the most expensive school in the conference. 

Last year, LETU did underachieve, but we also lost our starting PG - which we see can be a very important aspect of the game (look at McM)

So with that being saidm while I see your argument, let's not just rule him out yet :-) 

Most expensive school in the conference for a regular student. Ive heard first hand from one of your athletes how much they pay a semester because of all the made up leadership scholarships. Not too hard to convince people to play for that amount of money. I also imagine that the assistant put in most of the miles watching kids play and finding players. Is the pg you are mentioning, the same pg that is out this year? Kinda ruins you point that he is important.
One last thing for Coach Davis,  when healthy you have one of the best teams in the conference. Nobody can match up against you. Yet it never fails, EVERY GAME you adjust your roster to the other teams. Make them match your lineup, because theres nobody that can. I wonder how many starting lineups he went throught this year.

Josh Davis should not be Defensive MVP.

With all that said.........great year for LeT
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 23, 2009, 09:23:32 PM
I think Sul Ross was the only team in the conference (East or West) to go winless on the road!

Too bad the conference tournament is not in Alpine.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on February 23, 2009, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on February 23, 2009, 05:49:25 PM
What is the status of Van Wright for the tournament? The students at LeT have been very involved this year (with the men's team, not so much the women's). Looks like they only like them when they are winning. Im sure it would be a major disappointment if Van Wright cant play and they lose to UMHB in the first round.

Pistol Pete 22, it would be a major disappointment if they lose to UMHB with or without Dale Vanwright. I can assure you that we do not have leadership scholarships like some of the other universities in our conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheBuzz on February 24, 2009, 12:05:19 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on February 23, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 21, 2009, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: ASCfan237 on February 21, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD- Not very talented but run their stuff to perfection
(Sidenote: Bob Davis - LETU- does not deserve this award. He underachieved last year and did not make the playoffs and this year his team is stacked. He should win every game by 20 with the likes of Evers, Vanwright, Smith, and Rockmore. I am pretty sure if any other team in the conference had Vanwright they would be dominating too.) 


I definitley see your arguement, but in his defense, I don't think you are giving enough credit to how good our league is to even consider anyone winning games by 20 points.  If that were the arguement every year, MC wouldn't even get any consideration.  Please also consider that Coach Davis RECRUITED these studs and convienced them to come to the most expensive school in the conference. 

Last year, LETU did underachieve, but we also lost our starting PG - which we see can be a very important aspect of the game (look at McM)

So with that being saidm while I see your argument, let's not just rule him out yet :-) 

Most expensive school in the conference for a regular student. Ive heard first hand from one of your athletes how much they pay a semester because of all the made up leadership scholarships. Not too hard to convince people to play for that amount of money. I also imagine that the assistant put in most of the miles watching kids play and finding players. Is the pg you are mentioning, the same pg that is out this year? Kinda ruins you point that he is important.
One last thing for Coach Davis,  when healthy you have one of the best teams in the conference. Nobody can match up against you. Yet it never fails, EVERY GAME you adjust your roster to the other teams. Make them match your lineup, because theres nobody that can. I wonder how many starting lineups he went throught this year.

Josh Davis should not be Defensive MVP.


With all that said.........great year for LeT
The reason that Coach Davis changed the starting lineup so many times was a product of his rules regarding class attendance/punctuality.  He said there was a flaw in one of his rules that would be reevaluated at the end of the season.  Basically, some players arrived later than others due to varying class schedules.  That was the cause of some of the lineup changes.

Any reason to back up your claim that Josh Davis should not be Defensive MVP?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 24, 2009, 10:03:19 PM
He changed his line up every game. The players werent gettin in trouble in class on friday when they were traveling on the road. He started 10 different players, no player started every game. So that proves that theory wrong. I even noticed that #35 who did not get many minutes started a game late in the year.

Davis isnt even the best defender on the team. He may have had 1 good game an shut down Josh Johnson. Davis is a solid role player. One of the least athletic starting guards in the East.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2009, 09:25:34 PM
The regional rankings are out for the last public time.

We will probably have two very good teams that might qualify for bids, and we might have a division that is shut out of bids for the playoffs, just barely.

We have CTX announcing adding track and field and ETBU adding tennis (both mens' and women's I assume).

Let's look at an option to increase the number of AQ's that we get.

To be a conference to earn the AQ, you must have seven full members (or at least 4 core members and three affiliates.) 




The ASC-West could split off the ASC (go into Pool B for two years) and then 2 years later have these AQ sports.

VB
Football (accepting ETBU, LaColl and MissColl as affiliates)
M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis
Baseball
Softball
M/W Golf (accepting the ASC-East teams in both sports as affiliates; currently LeTU, MC, UTD and UTT for the men; LeTU UTT and UTD for the women.)

The ASC-West would have the required four schools to sponsor a conference championship in M/W T&F (CTX, HSU, McM, SRSU and TLU-women).  UT-Tyler and MissColl could affiliate for both genders.

The ASC-West also has 4 schools sponsoring  Men's XC (CTX, McM, SRSU and Schreiner) and 5 in women's Cross Country (CTX, HSU, McM, Schreiner and SRSU).   The West schools could affiliate for a combined championship with the East if they wished under an affiliation agreement.




Where does that leave the ASC-East?  I understand that a conference needs to sponsor five men's and five women's sports.

The East has the full 7 schools to earn the AQ for these sports.

M/W Soccer
M/W Basketball
M/W Tennis (now that ETBU has added both M/W tennis)
Baseball
Softball.

The ASC-East has these core members in Cross Country to sponsor the sports.

MXC -- (5) ETBU, MissColl , UOz, UTD, UTT
WXC -- (6) ETBU, LaColl, MissColl, UOz, UTD, UTT.

The West schools could affiliate with the East "conference" for the championship.

What is left that we haven't covered?  LaColl and UOz need to add volleyball for the ASC-East to have the AQ!

The result--

We gain AQ bids in Volleyball, M/W Soccer, M/W Basketball, M/W Tennis, Softball and Baseball!


You win the East.  Your first playoff game may be the West, but it is in the NCAA's and not the ASC tourney finals.

That is 9 more bids to the NCAA's after the two provisional years needed by the new conference.  Long-term crossover contracts between the two conferences could be signed to assure games.  Our complaints about weak schools on the schedules would be mitigated by the fact that we had doubled our bids in this part of the country.



The weakness in this strategy is this.

Texas Wesleyan spent an exploratory year moving up from D-II about 2001.  TWU moved right on thru to the NAIA and Red River AC.

UDallas, a charter member left the ASC in 2001.

Another Charter member, Austin College left us in 2006.

Those schools are "east".

This strategy has been on the books for nearly a decade.  It has suffered three setbacks.  It makes sense.  Nevertheless, a team leaving the conference and dropping below the threshold of 7 teams and this strategy backfires.


I will post this on the women's basketball, the football and the baseball boards.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2009, 06:03:05 PM
McMurry coach Ron Holmes is on Hoopsville tonight. Show runs from 5-7 CT and he's in the first half hour, so tune in soon!

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.php
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on March 01, 2009, 07:48:55 PM
Well, I picked all the first round games correctly but missed on all the others.  Sounds like it was a good tournament and congrats to UTDallas.  I hope they represent us well in the National Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:36:47 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2009, 08:44:43 PM
The answer as to why UTD is not hosting the Thursday game?

UTD rented out the facility this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 04, 2009, 09:21:15 AM
Well, the ASC All Conference Selections are out.  While I could make a comment on several things, I want to comment on the ASC West Division Coach of the Year.  Please know that I mean no disrespect to Coach DeWeese, I am only stating my opinion. 

UMHB returned many players from last year's team that went to to the NCAA.  They were picked overwhelmingly to win the West Division.  Meanwhile, McMurry finished 12-13 and only returned 2 players that actually had meaningful playing time in 07-08 AND THEY WERE PICKED TO FINISH FOURTH IN THE WEST. With a group of new players they finish 19-8 overall and win the West Division, while UMHB finishes second.  How does DeWeese get named Coach of the Year when UMHB finishes below where they were picked to finish? Is it because UMHB beat McM twice?  I struggle with the fact that a Coach takes his team who was not expected to contend in the West to a division title and there is no recognition for that.

I could argue other things as well, but this is the one that I just don't get.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 04, 2009, 11:10:38 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on February 24, 2009, 10:03:19 PM
He changed his line up every game. The players werent gettin in trouble in class on friday when they were traveling on the road. He started 10 different players, no player started every game. So that proves that theory wrong. I even noticed that #35 who did not get many minutes started a game late in the year.

Davis isnt even the best defender on the team. He may have had 1 good game an shut down Josh Johnson. Davis is a solid role player. One of the least athletic starting guards in the East.

Sorry it's taken so long to repsond to everything.

The rule is if you MISS THE PRACTICE BEFORE A GAME, YOU DON'T START.  Simple as that.  It wasn't who is in trouble with teachers or missing class - it was missing practice, which Coach Davis regretted doing early in the season.  Hence, why we had a dozen different starting line-ups.     

Second - I don't know which LETU athlete you talked with, but that is totally incorrect on "leadership" scholarships.  In fact, b/c LETU has no affiliation with any specifc church or organization to have leadership scholarships.  Visit the website to see what scholarships they have - pretty cut and dry.  Academic Scholarships, an alumni scholarship and then any federal or state grants that a student might be eligible for.  The average discount rate for a LETU is WAY below the conference average.   

Finally - yes, it's the same PG that was out last year, who's been out this year.  You make it sound like we went 20-7 this year, when we went 16-9 and lost a few close games b/c of some key TO.  My point about having this young man is that he is our true PG and would've helped us when a couple of those games down the stretch.  He would've made us a better team.  Yes, we had four players that are above avg. players in our conference, but none that can handle the rock. 

And I am curious on why we don't think Josh Davis deserved any credit for being in the same conversations as Defensive POY.  Did you have the opportunity to watch him play?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 04, 2009, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on February 20, 2009, 10:00:26 AM
It's always fun to speculate on awards, so I figure I'd give out some early awards:

POY
Bryan Johnson - MC Correct

Newcomer
Dale Vanwright - LETU Correct

Defensive POY
Josh Chambers - ETBU Correct

Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD Correct

1st Team
Dale Vanwright - LETU Correct
Bryan Johnson - MC Correct
Josh Johnson - LC Correct
Anthony Reese - UTT Correct
JJ Rockmore - LETU Honorable Mention

2nd Team
Dusty Evers - LETU Correct
Hakeem Kareem - UTT Honorable Mention
Chris Williams - UO Correct
Jeremy Clark - UO Honorable Mention
Temaine Wright - UTD Correct

Honorable Mention
Tony Brock - UO No mention
Jacob Turnipseed - ETBU 2nd Teamer
Jeremiah Pojah - ETBU Correct
Clarence Jeffery - MC No mention
Ernie Lowry - UTD 1st Teamer - whoops


I didn't do that bad in my guesses for 1st team, 2nd team, and honorable mention.  Not that these guesses were rocket science or anything, but fun to see. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: NJBalla35 on March 05, 2009, 06:22:35 PM
Any idea why Coach O is out at UO?

http://www.hoopdirt.com/job/452254c3/u-of-the-ozarks-head-coach/

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 03:43:38 PM
Can anyone tell me what Trinity can expect from UT-D this weekend?  I see they have a 6'10" guy that only plays 6 minutes a game.   What style do they play?  Looks like a balanced attack with the leading scorer (Wright) averaging 12ppg and five other guys between 8 and 11 ppg.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 07, 2009, 10:48:16 AM
Is this thing on?   Bueller?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on March 07, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
Uh, he's sick...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 11:14:13 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 03:43:38 PM
Can anyone tell me what Trinity can expect from UT-D this weekend?  I see they have a 6'10" guy that only plays 6 minutes a game.   What style do they play?  Looks like a balanced attack with the leading scorer (Wright) averaging 12ppg and five other guys between 8 and 11 ppg.
We have very few posters from UTD.

I don't want to mis-characterize the offense, but I usually think of them as a team that matches well against "half-court teams".  I think that they play smart basketball and rarely beat themselves.

They beat Guilford, but lost to "athletic" teams such as "at McMurry", UOzarks, "at Mississippi College", and "at ETBU".
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
I think that Trinity should be favored in this game for these general reasons.

1)  They have home court advantage.  (...something that UTD should have had.)
2)  They have played a first round game.  (That first round game gives the TU players a sense of perspective and orientation.  They handled the pressure of the game versus a credible Maryville team.)
3)  This is the first NCAA playoff game for any player on the UTD team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 01:35:12 PM

Looking head-to-head versus common opponents...

UTD:

Beat Austin College by 21 at home, and by 9 on the road.
Beat UMHB by 16 on the road and by 5 hosting in the Semis.
Beat Schreiner by 30 at home.

Trinity TX:

Beat Schreiner at home by 11.
Beat UMHB by 10 at home.
Beat Austin College by 12 on the road and by 30 at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Congratulations UTD!

UTD 70-54.  The athleticism of UTD (and Temaine Wright) made the difference according to the announcers.

UTD lead at the half 29-28 and then really pulled away with under 11 minutes left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
TU only scored 1 FG in the last 11 minutes of the game.

The Comets installed a trapping defense in the middle of the first half.  TU LEAD 19-12 at 11:18 into the game.  UTD went on a 12-0 run until 3:58 left in the half.

UTD crowd was active.  It was Trinity spring break.

UTD plays Capital in the Sweet 16. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2009, 04:10:46 PM
UTD is in the 8pm game against Capital at John Carroll in the Cleveland suburb, University Heights.

UTD outscored 58-35 in the last 3/4th of the game after TU went up 19-12. 

The announcers on UTD audiostream mentioned a shift in the defense in the first half, so I assume that was the difference.

This should be a good game for UTD.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 04:17:38 PM
UTD is in the 6 p.m. game.
http://www.jcusports.com/news/2009/3/8/MBB_0308092838.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2009, 08:00:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 08, 2009, 04:17:38 PM
UTD is in the 6 p.m. game.
http://www.jcusports.com/news/2009/3/8/MBB_0308092838.aspx
Thanks for the correction.

(My other source was incorrect.)   :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SabineBBall on March 13, 2009, 04:15:38 PM
Good luck to the UTD men tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 05:20:30 PM
I'm here at JCU and will try to provide some sporadic updates in the OAC room (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4292.1095), for anyone interested.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 13, 2009, 11:42:55 PM
Quote from: David Collinge on March 13, 2009, 05:20:30 PM
I'm here at JCU and will try to provide some sporadic updates in the OAC room (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4292.1095), for anyone interested.
I read your updates, David ... very much appreciated!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 16, 2009, 11:01:08 AM
I guess I didn't win the Salem prize package.   :(

Congrats to UT-D on their very fine season and in coming within less than a second of making it to the Final Four. 

It's ironic that, according to the Guilford-provided game summary, the game turned when the Quakers went to a full-court press.   A defensive change was what led the Comets past Trinity in the second round.   I wouldn't have thought UT-D would have been susceptible to full-court pressure given their performance in San Antonio. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on March 16, 2009, 08:46:50 PM
This may have been something someone has discussed or proposed, but why doesn't Division III start some sort of NIT.  I know people are going to go ahead and say money and the usual, but you could invite teams, and if they turn down the invite, move on to the next on the list until you fill a tournament.  They could try and find a few teams within traveling distance and have the higher seed host until there were four teams left.  For example, you could take two teams from the SCAC and two from the ASC or even and independent like U of D and those could play down to one team and move on to another bracket.    I would bet that any school would not mind paying for their team to travel to a nuetral site for a "final four" of the NIT.  There are so many schools in division 3 and this would give those that felt they were left out atleast one more shot at winning something. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 17, 2009, 12:32:04 AM
Good point, Ron. Though I think it was more than full court pressure that turned the tables for Guilford. UT-Dallas, I could tell while listening to the broadcast, was beginning to wilt in the last few minutes. That plus their leaky free throw shooting got them in trouble.  Guilford is one of those special teams that finds a way to grind out wins. I thought Transy made a marvelous comeback at the end of regulation that would catapult them to an OT win over the Quakers. Didn't happen - Guilford sucked it up and pulled it out. Salem may seem like the homecourt to Guilford this weekend. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 17, 2009, 06:17:26 AM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on March 16, 2009, 08:46:50 PM
This may have been something someone has discussed or proposed, but why doesn't Division III start some sort of NIT.  I know people are going to go ahead and say money and the usual, but you could invite teams, and if they turn down the invite, move on to the next on the list until you fill a tournament.  They could try and find a few teams within traveling distance and have the higher seed host until there were four teams left.  For example, you could take two teams from the SCAC and two from the ASC or even and independent like U of D and those could play down to one team and move on to another bracket.    I would bet that any school would not mind paying for their team to travel to a nuetral site for a "final four" of the NIT.  There are so many schools in division 3 and this would give those that felt they were left out atleast one more shot at winning something. 

There actually is an "NIT" type tournament... it is called the ECAC. Granted, it is mainly on the east coast and it doesn't end up with just two teams playing for the overall title (it is played in just each region, so there are regional titles), but there is extra play for many.

However. schools have to pay for these games individually, including travel costs. I have talked to many coaches who say that sometimes they turn down the invitations to the ECAC because they just can't afford to spend more money - especially at the end of a long season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 17, 2009, 08:15:00 AM
Some teams definitely have more money than others.  According to the Washington U. website, they're offering a free bus ride, hotel and tickets to any student who wants to attend either the women's or men's Final Four.  All they have to do is buy their own food!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 17, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: hasanova on March 17, 2009, 08:15:00 AM
Some teams definitely have more money than others.  According to the Washington U. website, they're offering a free bus ride, hotel and tickets to any student who wants to attend either the women's or men's Final Four.  All they have to do is buy their own food!

:o  Wow.

WashU's endowment was listed at $5.5 billion in the most recent NACUBO endowment survey (http://www.nacubo.org/documents/research/NES2008PublicTable-AllInstitutionsByFY08MarketValue.pdf).  That ranks them 18th among ALL colleges in the country, ahead of schools like Rice, UVA, USC, Vanderbilt, etc.  Guess they can afford it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 17, 2009, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on March 17, 2009, 06:17:26 AM

There actually is an "NIT" type tournament... it is called the ECAC. Granted, it is mainly on the east coast and it doesn't end up with just two teams playing for the overall title (it is played in just each region, so there are regional titles), but there is extra play for many.

However. schools have to pay for these games individually, including travel costs. I have talked to many coaches who say that sometimes they turn down the invitations to the ECAC because they just can't afford to spend more money - especially at the end of a long season.

And the other factor is simply time.  A lot of D3 kids are ready for the season to be over and to spend that time on study,  move on to other sports (track or softball), or just enjoy having some free time.   If you didn't win your conference championship or get the NCAA invite ... move on. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2009, 05:53:25 PM
Congratulations to McMurry's Jamal Anene who finished 2nd in the ASC track meet with a 10:33 performance in the 3000 steeplechase and a 5th place performance in the 800 meters with a 1:58.34 time!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on June 06, 2009, 04:14:56 PM
I see that Centenary in Shreveport is considering Division III, and possible the ASC conference.  Does anyone know if there is any truth to the matter.  Ralph, how would this affect the possibility of getting the second automatice bid for the conference. 

On a side note, I saw Ozarks made an interesting hire. It seems there are lots of good DIII assistants out there that are getting overlooked for strange reasons.  Why hire a high school coach?  I don't doubt his abilities to coach but recruiting is something you think you would want some experience with, especially at this unique level.  I read all the time about DI assistants being hired for these head coaching positions and they have not experience recruiting without scholarships.  I know from my time at LC it is lonely being a DIII coach, especially an assistant coach.  I would love to hear some other opinions on the matter, if anything to get something going on here for a while!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 06, 2009, 04:32:36 PM
Hello fanman.

No chance at a second AQ bid unless the conference were to split into formal East and West Conferences.  Centenary is at least 5 years away from being a full NCAA member, and must give the Summit League a 2-year notice.  The Summit might cut them loose after 2009-10, because they wouldn't have to fly to Shreveport anymore.

Here are the blogs in the Shreveport Times.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090603/SPORTS02/906030350/1026/SPORTS02

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090604/SPORTS02/906040303/1026/SPORTS02

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090605/SPORTS02/906050309/1001/SPORTS

I would love to have them in the ASC, but I bet they go with the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on June 09, 2009, 02:50:21 PM
If budget concerns are Centenary's reason for leaving, the SCAC would almost be as much travel. It would cost less to be in the ASC. I have heard from a FAR that Centenary has already contacted the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2009, 03:05:16 PM
Quote from: lewis on June 09, 2009, 02:50:21 PM
If budget concerns are Centenary's reason for leaving, the SCAC would almost be as much travel. It would cost less to be in the ASC. I have heard from a FAR that Centenary has already contacted the ASC.
Centenary in the Summit League is Rochester MN, Brookings SD, Cedar City UT, Ft Wayne IN, etc. with 2 connections by plane plus a bus.

For the SCAC-West, then it is Austin College, Rhodes, Hendrix, Millsaps, Trinity and Southwestern by bus.

Centenary is meeting with the SCAC later this month.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2009, 10:24:08 AM
Gordon Mann found this report in the Shreveport Times (online) and posted the link on the Daily Dose.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/06/04/making-the-case-for-centenary-la-and-d-iii/

In May 2009, Centenary LA gave its official 2-year notice that it is leaving the Summit League after the 2010-11 season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on July 22, 2009, 02:26:57 PM
Saw today Centenary officially will be gong DIII, how will this affect us in our conference? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on July 22, 2009, 05:09:54 PM
It won't directly, not until 2011-12.  That's the earliest Centenary would join the ASC if both parties want that to happen.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2009, 06:07:06 PM
Props to MissCollege for going to the North Central College IL tourney this season.

Get a hold of the McMurry NCC game video in Las Vegas last year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on July 23, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2009, 06:07:06 PM
Props to MissCollege for going to the North Central College IL tourney this season.

Get a hold of the McMurry NCC game video in Las Vegas last year.

Thanks Ralph. We're not sure who we will be playing yet, but the four teams will be MC, North Central, Lakeland College (NATHC) and Oberlin College (NCAC).

I'm sure you already know this, but McMurry will also be in the same part of the country that weekend playing in the Wheaton College Tournament. That should be a good tourney with McMurry, Wheaton, Ohio Northern and Trine.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 02, 2009, 01:59:32 AM
Kenny DeWeese is going to Utah Valley U?

Wow, those bus trips to Pineville and Clinton and Alpine will seem like casual drives.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on September 24, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
I noticed some of the schools have already posted rosters, does anyone have any insight as to how good some of these new players may be? LC has not posted one yet



congrats to football for their first ever win against HSwho!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2009, 02:49:58 PM
No rosters yet for McMurry, but the schedule is up.

McMurry plays in the Wheaton Lee Pfund Classic again.  They catch Ohio Northern from the OAC and then the winner of the Wheaton Trine game.

McMurry opens the regular season on Monday Nov 16th with a game against Baptist Bible College from Springfield MO as they come to Abilene for a pair of games against McMurry and ACU.

The 25th game is against UTSA.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 12, 2009, 08:32:20 PM
3 days....... who all has there rosters up?

And I have a question to ask.... Isn't it against NCAA D3 rules for coaches to watch or participate in open gym before October 15th?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 13, 2009, 02:43:58 PM
Yes Pete, it is against D3 rules to be in the gym during open gym games before the 15th.  Have you heard of schools doing this?  I know this has always been a huge issue amongst this conference.  When I was at LC you always heard of this going on at many campuses.  The SAC committees are supposed to discuss these sort of things but nothing ever gets done, at least in my days.  I know people outside the conference in other conferences and I know the ASC has a bad name for this sort of thing and this probably, just my guess, contributes to the lack of respect our conference gets.  The people I know outside in other conferences have mentioned this as the other conferences for the most part do strictly follow the rules.  This is probably why many schools in our conference have had little luck scheduling games outside the conference.  These rules are in place, from my understanding, is that we are a education first division and many schools at this level don't have the advantages others schools do, I guess to even the playing field. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 14, 2009, 11:39:20 PM
well the ETBU coach basically admitted to it in his interview on their website. hes been in the conference for awhile. maybe someone should tell him the rules, or maybe he doesnt care. sounds like cheating to me tho.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 15, 2009, 09:07:18 AM
I will have to check it out on the website there.  That is very interesting.  If that is true not very smart on his part. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on October 15, 2009, 02:04:01 PM
"Our newcomers look like they can shoot the ball and our young ones who might not be ready to play, are QUICK and aggressive." Bert West Sept. 18th.

sounds like hes watchin some open gym to me, everybody will have their opinion
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 16, 2009, 12:00:06 PM
For help with my D3hoops.com Preseason Top 25 ballot, can you guys help me sort out the 2010 ASC races?  Who are the ASC teams that should be on the Top 25 radar?
 
Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2009, 02:59:07 AM
ASC West Champion McMurry, because Robert Moreno, Point Guard, is back for his final season!

IMHO, he is an all-American calibre point guard.  He runs the offense very well.  A common Moreno line is 35 minutes 4 pts, 8 assists, 4 rebs, 2 turnovers and 2 steals and hitting 40% on 3FG's.

Wheaton fans will get to see him at the Lee Pfund.

I have said this often about Robert!

I admire Robert, the man!  He could coach my kids anyday!

He wants to return the Rio Grande Valley and coach high school ball.

Some coach down there should pick him up as an assistant in a hurry!  He will be a great molder of young men.

McMurry brought in more talent in the off-season, and the chemistry on the team is excellent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 23, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
Pete, I do work a lot of weird hours but I do live in Shreveport, LA now.  I will check out these "young quick" players from ETBU  ;).  They play in Shreveport this season.  The coach there I don't think would cheat but who knows.  As I mentioned, it was a problem when I was in school.  I do know they return some what looks to be pretty good players, I know the PG is a descent player, a Louisiana product of course!

Go Wildcats
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2009, 05:14:29 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on October 23, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
Pete, I do work a lot of weird hours but I do live in Shreveport, LA now. 
...

#1,

Please post anything that you see in the Shreveport Times about Centenary and D-III.

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on October 27, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
Sure thing Mr. Turner,  as of right now all I know is they dropped for money reasons, but no word on a conference, I have even heard a rumor about being an independent.


I noticed on the DIIIhoops website the new all star game in place of the third place game.  I did not even know they played a third place game.  That seems rediculous and I am glad they are doing away with it.  I can't imagine anyone wanting to play after losing in the final four.  I wish they had instiuted earlier though.  Josh Johnson would have be a great candidate for the game last year. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2009, 11:49:20 PM
Exhibition at Clinton (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/v2.0/2009/Nov/02/Mississippi+College-vs.-Alcorn+St./mrnw8wb5889zgj1f/29482):  D-1 Alcorn State 63, Mississippi College 61
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 06, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2009, 11:49:20 PM
Exhibition at Clinton (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/v2.0/2009/Nov/02/Mississippi+College-vs.-Alcorn+St./mrnw8wb5889zgj1f/29482):  D-1 Alcorn State 63, Mississippi College 61

Hard to believe that basketball season is already here. A couple thoughts on the game.

Alcorn is not a very good DI team, still they are DI and had a few players better than anyone we'll see this year. I think MC probably wins the game comfortably if that was the #1 goal. Coach Lofton played 18 players in both halves and is trying to figure out who will be playing this year. That will shrink to 10-12 guys at some point, but several players looked good.

I'll say this about this years' team. I'm not sure how our top 5 will stack up with previous teams, but there really are 17-18 kids at this point who are tightly bunched. Fans probably won't recognize the team with only a couple players back and as usual there are a lot of transfers.

I think we dressed out 23 guys, 11 of them were JUCO transfers, 4 are NAIA transfers, and one player is back from 2007. E. C. Williams is a 6-5 guard who was All-Freshman in 2007 and missed last year with injury.

Should be another good season for us hopefully.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2009, 11:07:50 PM
Exhibition tonight in Houston:

D-1 Texas Southern 88, McMurry 81

McMurry had a chance to cut the lead to 2 a couple of times in the last couple of minutes but could not bring the deficit closer.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2009, 09:12:08 PM
University of New Orleans (http://news.uno.edu/Public/Index.asp?page_id=30&Content_ID=1744) is investigating moving to D-III.

Thanks to awadelewis for posting the link on the Future of Division III board.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 13, 2009, 09:14:54 AM
Ralph,

That is intersting, I know Louisiana is in really bad financial problems and I am not sure if it still the case but the state of Louisiana, including all state schools, were on a hiring freeze.  I know Centenary is not a state school but it is affecting everyone.  Maybe all the Louisiana schools are going to go D3 and start a new conference!  Very sad for our great state.  On the flip side I am not sure how good Texas Southern is but sounds like McM has yet another good team.  I have not heard anything about LC, I know they play an exhibition the 16th. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 13, 2009, 11:06:53 AM
ETBU travels to Northwestern for a game tonight at 7:45.

Live stats here
http://www.nsudemons.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20000&KEY=&SPID=11384&SPSID=93111

or you can get the sid twitter feed here
http://twitter.com/ETBU_Tigers
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 17, 2009, 12:38:53 PM
ETBUaluminumcanman  ;) j/k, how did ETBU look against NSU?  I know they love to play that game every year. I was not at the LC game but they lost by 22, I would say respectable.  We have a new kid from Avinger, TX, I looked on the map and saw it was close to Marshall, do you know of him or ever heard of him?  UTD upset and McMurry with a big win over some bible school I have never heard of.  Ralph do you have any insight to that game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on November 17, 2009, 09:30:37 PM
Letourneau 16, Austin College 13 8 minutes left in the first half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on November 17, 2009, 09:47:07 PM
LeTourneau 32, Austin College 35 halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
McMurry 72, Ohio Northern 69 (OT).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 21, 2009, 12:23:22 PM
LC beats St. Thomas!!! 1-1

How good is the Ohio Norhtern team?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on November 21, 2009, 12:23:22 PM
LC beats St. Thomas!!! 1-1

How good is the Ohio Northern team?

ONU was pre-season #3 in the OAC.

McMurry lost by 16 to #15 Wheaton IL tonight.  (88-72)

That St Thomas is the NAIA school in Houston that is adding sports.

That is a new program.  Prior to this, St Thomas Houston was known for its fencing team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 22, 2009, 10:32:40 AM
Ralph,

I wondered about St. Thomas, I was not sure as to who or what they really were.  Even at that I will take the win, even if it was against their fencing team! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2009, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on November 22, 2009, 10:32:40 AM
Ralph,

I wondered about St. Thomas, I was not sure as to who or what they really were.  Even at that I will take the win, even if it was against their fencing team! ;D

University of St Thomas, Houston (http://www.stthom.edu/Campus_Student_Life/Sports_Athletics/Index.aqf)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2009, 10:04:06 PM
McMurry beat Ohio Northern (pre-season #3 OAC) by 3 points in overtime at the Lee Pfund tourney at Wheaton last week.  ONU then went on the road to Wooster which is the favorite to win the North Coast AC, where they lost by 6 points.

ONU has a brutal schedule, but I like the comparison of a McMurry 3-pt OT win over ONU and an ONU 6-point road loss to Wooster.

Here is another random thought...

What do you posters think about the real Home Court Advantage in the ASC actually being the basic 3 points, plus 1 point for every 100 miles away from home?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2009, 06:07:13 PM
Final -- McMurry 74, LaCollege 70

Robert Moreno had 10 points, and about 8 7 assists and 5 steals in a quality effort.

McMurry is very deep at point guard, Moreno, HSU transfer Steven Luckey, Southwestern transfer Ryan Chavez and freshman Jacob Montez.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on November 28, 2009, 08:49:55 PM
Final: Letourneu 81, Howard Payne 70

LETU: Jourdan Hughes 17 points 5-7 from the field. Will Smith 14 Points 5-7 from the field.


Note: Dale Vanwright did not play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on November 29, 2009, 10:27:25 AM
ped, any reason why vanright did not play?

I agree with you Ralph, winning on the road is difficult and I think travel time does give the home team a point or so, maybe every 100 miles like you say.  These kids coming out of high school are not used to the long travel.  The ASC travels in buses or vans everywhere they go within the conference and you are looking at some long road trips, and I know sitting on one of those buses for 8 hours takes it out of you.  I have to hand it to MCM, they came in and won a good tough game on the road at LC.  I am disappointed my Wildcats could not pull off the upset, (though the women did, big time!) but I think this will be a much improved team from what LC has had in the past, good new talent and some veterans.  We will be tough to beat at home, now can we overcome the -1 for every 100 miles as Ralph says?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pedh34 on November 29, 2009, 03:35:44 PM
He is not injured... I will leave it at that.... He is expected to play tomorrow against Sul Ross.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 30, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
Wow - nice start for the East Division.  Only one team losses (McM beats LC by 4pts). 

LETU plays without POY Canidate Vanwright and pulls away from HPU.  Would be nice to see them start 2-0 this year after two tough games on the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2009, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Bearkat00 on November 30, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
Wow - nice start for the East Division.  Only one team losses (McM beats LC by 4pts). 

LETU plays without POY Canidate Vanwright and pulls away from HPU.  Would be nice to see them start 2-0 this year after two tough games on the road. 
Another way to look at that is that there was only one home loss.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Bearkat00 on November 30, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
Good teams do what their suppose to do @ home  :)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2009, 10:51:55 PM
Final  Mississippi College 73, McMurry 62.  McM cut the lead to 6 points with 2 minutes left, and then MC held McM off.  MC makes a 30 foot fall away at the buzzer to stretch the lead to the final 11 points.

Great job on the video, Chris!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on December 01, 2009, 12:27:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2009, 10:51:55 PM
Final  Mississippi College 73, McMurry 62.  McM cut the lead to 6 points with 2 minutes left, and then MC held McM off.  MC makes a 30 foot fall away at the buzzer to stretch the lead to the final 11 points.

Great job on the video, Chris!
Thanks Ralph, I appreciate it. Very happy with how things have gone with the free video this year, and happy to do it. We were shorthanded tonight, and play by play is really not my preference. I'd rather do photography and oversee what we're doing.

Couple of thoughts on McMurry. It was a blowout early with MC up I think 20 in the first half, but McMurry fought to stay in it and were right there when MC got sloppy in the 2nd half. I think they will be good again. The two post players are very athletic at 6'7"-6'8", good rebounders, and can score. Hart is a very good scorer on the perimeter, and Moreno is solid. This might have been an off night, but they might struggle with 3-point shooting. That's a good team though that should be there in the ASC West race.

Not sure what to think of MC yet. Very athletic and played great in the 1st half, but it was often hard to watch in the 2nd half. Coach Lofton played 3 full line changes tonight, but I'm not sure how long that will last. Donnie Haywood is a transfer guard from Lambuth that is very good, Kelvin Lester is a solid transfer point guard, E. C. Williams is a 6'5" guard that can really shoot it, 6'7" freshman forward Cameron Bounds had 7 points 6 boards and 6 blocks in 13 minutes, Derrick Cook is a solid 6'7" transfer forward, Luther Suggs is a solid 6'5" transfer forward, and a couple others deserve mention who will help. Austin Holloway is a big 6'8" transfer forward-center who could be very good but hasn't played in a game yet due to injury. He should be back in a couple weeks.

Happy to get ASC basketball underway. Looking forward to a great season for the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 01, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Very intersting night in the ASC.  LC gets a nice win at home against HSU, sounds like McMurry and MC will be good again, I would be anxious to see how that game would have gone if played in Abilene.  I am not sure how far it is from MC to Abilene, but maybe Ralph's theory is true.  Sul Ross beats Letourneau?!?!?! I will start my pic'em this week.  Didn't have time to check everything out.  Way to do Cats, keep this up and maybe we can get in the tournament.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 01, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
From what i can tell from MC they play great first halfs(have had a double-digit lead at half in every game, Up 23 on HSU and 17 on MCM). I guess they relax and lose their concentration and dont play as hard the 2nd half. But hey these games are 40 minutes not 20 so it might come back to bite them one day like it almost did verse MCM. And just a side note MC had 27 fouls called on them and shot 16 free throws compared to MCM 19 fouls and 34 free throws(go figure)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2009, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: hoopstar on December 01, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
From what i can tell from MC they play great first halfs(have had a double-digit lead at half in every game, Up 23 on HSU and 17 on MCM). I guess they relax and lose their concentration and dont play as hard the 2nd half. But hey these games are 40 minutes not 20 so it might come back to bite them one day like it almost did verse MCM. And just a side note MC had 27 fouls called on them and shot 16 free throws compared to MCM 19 fouls and 34 free throws(go figure)

Hmmmm, I wonder if McMurry brought their own referees...    :D   :D  

That sure doesn't seem normal for Mississippi officiating.   ;D    ;)    :)

Although when you are hitting 9 of 12 3FG's, you are not charging the basket.  And, McMurry isn't getting a hand in your face before shooting that long range bomb.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 04, 2009, 07:43:46 PM
Here are my picks for this weekend:

McM over UTT
SRSU over Ozarks Drive will be too  much
LC over TLU
MC over Schreiner
UTD over HPU
LET over CUA
UMHB over ETBU might be a closer game than usual

LC over Schreiner
MC over TLU
ETBU over CUA

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 06, 2009, 03:12:48 PM
McM over UTT-CORRECT
SRSU over Ozarks Drive will be too  much-INCORRECT
LC over TLU-CORRECT!!
MC over Schreiner-CORRECT
UTD over HPU-CORRECT
LET over CUA-CORRECT
UMHB over ETBU might be a closer game than usual-CORRECT

6-1, A GOOD START.  oZARKS MAY BE A SLEEPER THIS YEAR.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 08, 2009, 01:04:12 PM
LC over Schreiner-CORRECT!!!!!
MC over TLU-CORRECT
ETBU over CUA-INCORRECT, the one time I pick em to win they let me down ;)

8-2 on the year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ctxer on December 11, 2009, 02:51:07 AM
ctx loses to umhb on a buzzer beater. unfortunate because it was a clear travel that led to the bucket. it was absolutely embarrassing. asc needs to get their act together. i hope bonewitz sends that film into the league office.  thoughts on the game: not impressed with umhb. concordia's smothering defense left dean pele ineffective. he didnt look much interested in the game really and you could tell dewesse knew it due to how much time he spent on the bench.  theo ard... that boy is long, but carries the ball like a mighty mite player, was apalled at how many times he got away with it. but anyways, umhb wins on a buzzer beater and their players immediate response was to taut ctx fans, in a pretty classless way as well. not sure thats gonna help them come tournery time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2009, 04:11:22 PM
Welcome ctxer.

Glad to have you on the boards!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2009, 11:13:41 PM
McMurry's Jamal Anene has a career night... 36 points and 12 boards to lead McMurry to a 87-72 win over HSU.

Anene goes 12-18 on FG's and 12-16 on FT's, 3 offensive and 9 defensive boards.

McM's Steven Luckey gets 12 points and 3 crucial steals against his old team in the game.  He had 3 straight steals that turned the game in mid second half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 18, 2009, 03:42:16 PM
ETBU 66 Austin College 63 at AC.  Nice win for the tigers they go into the break with a 5-3 record overall 4-2 in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 19, 2009, 11:48:28 AM
A few picks for the rest of the week before we all enjoy a wonderful Christmas. 

So far I am 8-2.

LC over HPU
MC over SRSU
UT-D over McM
MC over HPU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2009, 12:41:14 PM
Senior guards come thru for McMurry in a 23-7 run to beat Ozarks.

Quoting from McM SID Kyle Robarts' press release,

QuoteMcMurry trailed 29-24 at half and then the Eagles went on a 13-2 run early in the second half to make the score 48-36 with 12:57 left to go. However, Moreno countered with a 3-pointer with 12:45 left to cut the lead to single digits. Then, Steven Luckey hit back-to-back 3-pointers for McMurry cutting the Eagle let to three points at 50-47 with 9:05 left to go.

A couple of minutes later, Moreno unloaded as the senior scored the next 12 points for McMurry on four consecutive 3-point field goals. By the time he drained the fourth, which was actually his fifth-straight successful attempt from beyond the 3-point arc, McMurry had built a 59-55 lead with 5:31 to go.

Luckey is a great addition, and Moreno is the Most Valuable Player in the conference.

By most valuable, I believe that Moreno impacts his team's play more than anyone else in the conference.

Someone may have more impressive numbers, but Moreno is the key to McMurry's success.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2009, 12:12:05 AM
HPU 73 LaCollege 70

http://www.lcwildcats.net/index.aspx?path=mbball

SRSU 61, LaCollege 51
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2009, 07:06:05 PM
Nice McMurry win over UT-D, 75-68.

It looks like these two will be playing again in the tourney!

McMurry goes 3-0 this week against HSU at home and Ozarks and UT-Dallas on the (expensive) long road trip.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
My highlight of the game occurred with the score McM 68 UTD 65.  McMurry's Jeremie Hart has just scored off a rebound and a layup to go up by 3.

UTD calls a 30-sec. time out.

In the UTD back court, Ryan Boyd steals the ball  and drives uncontested for a layup.

He chooses not to slam the ball, but puts up a gentle finger roll over the front rim.  Solid!

McMurry is now up by 5, a two possession game, with 0:54 seconds left.  That is a big statement!

(I thought that that was the sign of a mature player, who knew what the team needed!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on December 21, 2009, 10:30:50 AM
How was the stream quality the last three games or so Dr. T?

KR
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2009, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: mcm_sid on December 21, 2009, 10:30:50 AM
How was the stream quality the last three games or so Dr. T?

KR

Very good.  Very few times when there seemed to be a buffering problem.

Sound quality was good.

Camera angles were good and the videographers did a good job of following the action.

I appreciate that fact that you tried to stay on long enough after the Ozarks game to interview the Men's Coach.

Great job on the broadcast.  You did a good job!

I know that you have variable access to the web in some of the rural places where we play (and some places just don't have web access for us at all), but Clarksville and UTD were good.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on December 22, 2009, 10:17:41 AM
LC over HPU-INCORRECT
MC over SRSU-CORRECT, CLOSER GAME THAN EXPECTED
UT-D over McM-INCORRECT, NICE WIN FOR MCMURRY
MC over HPU-CORRECT


10-4 OVERALL
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 04, 2010, 11:57:00 PM
Very good win for Mississippi College tonight beating local NAIA (DI) Belhaven University 89-79 on the road. Belhaven wasn't ranked yet but they were 10-1 with wins over NAIA #13 Trevecca Nazarene and NAIA #19 Union University.

MC is 10-0 and playing a lot of guys again with 10 players averaging 10 minutes or more, and no player averaging more than 20 minutes. One player I should mention is leading scorer Donnie Haywood. Donnie is a senior transfer 6'3" guard averaging 15.3 points per game in 20 minutes. Just wanted to get his name out there since he's only with us for one season, but he's averaging 21 points per in his last 4 games. He's probably in the discussion of best players we've had come through MC, and might be as good as any.

Looking forward to the second half, tough trip this week to Concordia and UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2010, 02:16:29 PM
Congratulations to McMurry Point Guard Robert Moreno, who is a finalist for the Bob Cousy Award for the finest point guard in the country.

http://www.cousyaward.com/

There were only 9 D-3 nominees of the 380+ schools that play D-III.  That is quite an honor.

The full list of finalists has not been named.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on January 07, 2010, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2010, 02:16:29 PM
Congratulations to McMurry Point Guard Robert Moreno, who is a finalist for the Bob Cousy Award for the finest point guard in the country.

http://www.cousyaward.com/

There were only 9 D-3 nominees of the 380+ schools that play D-III.  That is quite an honor.

The full list of finalists has not been named.


Ralph

You should get to see a pretty good matchup this weekend with Turnipseed vs Moreno.  After losing at the buzzer twice over the break ETBU is in Abilene for 2 games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 07, 2010, 09:55:57 AM
Here are my picks for this week.


10-4 overall, pretty good so far. 

McM over LeT.
ETBU over HSU
UT-D over TLU
SU over UO-Kinda an upset pick here.
UT-T over HPU
MC over CUA
LC over UMHB

UO over TLU-Bounce back win
SRSU over UT-T-road trip gets them
UT-D over SU
LeT over HSU
McM over ETBU-may be a close game
MC over UMHB
LC over CUA
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2010, 11:57:56 AM
The old adage is that you gotta play them one game at a time, but if you do that, and you don't mess up in the mean time, then there are pretty good things out there for the teams that do.

Knowing the history of the playoffs in D-III tells us these things.

It takes about a 20-3 or 22-4 in-region record to earn an at-large or Pool C bid.  More than 4 in-region losses and you are probably sitting at home unless you are from one of the "power" conferences.  (UAA, WIAC, OAC, CCIW and NESCAC are five good conferences that most would consider when listing the power conferences.)

To host a first round game, then you need to be either 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the Regional Rankings that will start coming out in February.  The Final Regional Rankings that is determined after all of the games are played is the one that determines the brackets and the seeding

Right now, it looks like the only chance to host a first round series is for the ASC winner to lose only one more game between now and winning the championship.

I know that Coaches DeWeese, Holmes, and Lofton are not too happy.  Coach Butterfield is looking at the strength in the East and knowing that it will be a tough division schedule.

My guess is that UTD is the only team that has a good chance at a Pool C bid (if they don't win the conference tourney) at this time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 09, 2010, 02:43:40 PM
McM over LeT.-INCORRECT
ETBU over HSU-INCORRECT
UT-D over TLU-CORRECT
SU over UO-Kinda an upset pick here.-CORRECT
UT-T over HPU-CORRECT
MC over CUA-INCORRECT
LC over UMHB-CORRECT


Brings me to 14-7,  still pretty good but some surprises yesterday.  Today may be very intersting.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Roster update for McMurry...

Two starters from earlier in the season are no longer with the team.

Rickey Burney, a one-letter senior from Mesquite, had started 9 games, averaged 23.9 mpg and 10.2 ppg.

Tim Harrison, the junior from Ft Worth, had started 8 of 11 games, played 19.3 mpg and averaged 6.3 points per game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 10, 2010, 03:51:58 PM
UO over TLU-Bounce back win-CORRECT
SRSU over UT-T-road trip gets them-CORRECT
UT-D over SU-CORRECT
LeT over HSU-CORRECT
McM over ETBU-may be a close game-CORRECT
MC over UMHB-INCORRECT
LC over CUA-INCORRECT

19-9.   Good weekend for my picks and looks like a good weekend for the conference.  I hope I can get to some games. 

Ralph-Those kids out for discipline or grades?


It doesn't look like they lost a ton.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2010, 05:07:33 PM
Quote from: #1ascfanman on January 10, 2010, 03:51:58 PM
UO over TLU-Bounce back win-CORRECT
SRSU over UT-T-road trip gets them-CORRECT
UT-D over SU-CORRECT
LeT over HSU-CORRECT
McM over ETBU-may be a close game-CORRECT
MC over UMHB-INCORRECT
LC over CUA-INCORRECT

19-9.   Good weekend for my picks and looks like a good weekend for the conference.  I hope I can get to some games. 

Ralph-Those kids out for discipline or grades?


It doesn't look like they lost a ton.

I understand that it was grades.  Why does an upperclassman not have his/her act together by now?

IMHO, the loss of Burney surprised me, but then I am not on campus to know what these guys were really doing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 14, 2010, 11:04:28 AM
Sometimes that is what you get when you recruit certain kids.  I am not saying they were bad, but with transfers and jucos you never really know what you are getting.  I know Coach at LC did not recruit too many of those kids, but please understand I am not criticising anyone here.  Those are gamble you have to take.


This weeks picks:

SC over HSU
LC over UT-T
UO over LeT.- This may be a real good game
UT-D over ETBU-i got to looking, ETBU beats them at home,but I think it changes this year.
McM over TLU-If mcm doesnt look past them.
UMHB over SRSU
CUA over HPU

MCM over SU
UO over ETBU-UO is much improved this year.
HSU ove TLU
MC ove Tyler
SRSU over CUA-upset pick
UMHB over HPU

UO over UT-D-UO can beat them at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2010, 07:43:21 PM
Thanks for your predictions, #1ascfanman!

I enjoy following them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2010, 08:22:11 PM
We have finished the inter-division games for 2009-10.

Once again, the standings bring out the inequity of counting the crossover games in the standings.  I repeat this every year, because the facts do not change.

Some say to count the games, because you have to play them.

Well they do count because they are South Region in-region games.  That impacts NCAA Regional rankings and prospects for Pool C (at-large) bids and the chance to host the NCAA playoffs, if you are one of the 62 teams (for the Men and 64 teams for the women.)

What is not fair, is that the teams that played in the fall semester in December are not the same teams that will be playing in February.

There are academic casualties.

There are mid-term additions and transfers.

There are disciplinary cases.

There may be injuries in the mid-season that impact key players.

There are inequities in the single round robin schedules.

ETBU played UMHB, CTX, McM and HSU on the road.  They went 1-3 against those four teams that are currently #1, #2, #3 and #6 inter-divisional records.

UOzarks played UMHB, CTX, McMurry and HSU at home.  They went 2-2 including a one-point losses to HSU and McM.  They were two baskets away from being 7-1 versus the West.

Those schedules are not balanced.

Here are the standings thru Wednesday night, Jan 13th.


ASC-East
TeamConf Record   Crossover Record   Intra-division Record   Games relative to 4th place
UT-Dallas7-17-10-0+2
Miss Coll7-26-21-0+1.5
LeTU6-26-20-0+1
UOz5-35-30-00
UT-Tyler4-44-40-0-1
ETBU4-44-40-0-1
LaColl4-54-40-1-1.5

TeamConf Record   Crossover Record   Intra-division Record   Games relative to 4th place
McMurry6-25-21-0+2.5
UMHB6-34-32-0+2.0
CTX4-54-30-20
SRSU4-53-41-10
HSU2-62-50-1-1.5
Schreiner2-61-61-0-1.5
HPU2-71-61-1-2.0
TLU0-80-70-1-3.5


IMHO, the divsion races ought to be starting tonight.   The season is almost over and some teams are so far into the hole that they cannot see out.

With the beginning of the new semester, the student bodies ought to have a chance to see the team get hot and make the tournament.

Next year, I hope that both men's and women's coaches will vote to count only the division games towards the division championship and the playoff bids, and end this madness.

Thanks for indulging me in this perennial rant and good luck to LaCollege, ETBU, UTT, HPU, HSU, Schreiner and TLU.  With 12-13 games left in the season,  (that is half of the season), you already in a hole and your season may be looking bleak.


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 17, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
SC over HSU-CORRECT
LC over UT-T-INCORRECT
UO over LeT.- This may be a real good game-INCORRECT
UT-D over ETBU-i got to looking, ETBU beats them at home,but I think it changes this year.-CORRECT
McM over TLU-If mcm doesnt look past them.-INCORRECT
UMHB over SRSU-CORRECT
CUA over HPU-CORRECT

MCM over SU-CORRECT
UO over ETBU-UO is much improved this year.-INCORRECT
HSU ove TLU-INCORRECT
MC ove Tyler-CORRECT
SRSU over CUA-upset pick-INCORRECT
UMHB over HPU-CORRECT


Brings me to 26-15

This was my worst pick em weekend but still 11 games over.

UO over UT-D-UO can beat them at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on January 18, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2010, 08:22:11 PM
We have finished the inter-division games for 2009-10.

Once again, the standings bring out the inequity of counting the crossover games in the standings.  I repeat this every year, because the facts do not change.

Some say to count the games, because you have to play them.

Well they do count because they are South Region in-region games.  That impacts NCAA Regional rankings and prospects for Pool C (at-large) bids and the chance to host the NCAA playoffs, if you are one of the 62 teams (for the Men and 64 teams for the women.)

What is not fair, is that the teams that played in the fall semester in December are not the same teams that will be playing in February.

There are academic casualties.

There are mid-term additions and transfers.

There are disciplinary cases.

There may be injuries in the mid-season that impact key players.

There are inequities in the single round robin schedules.

ETBU played UMHB, CTX, McM and HSU on the road.  They went 1-3 against those four teams that are currently #1, #2, #3 and #6 inter-divisional records.

UOzarks played UMHB, CTX, McMurry and HSU at home.  They went 2-2 including a one-point losses to HSU and McM.  They were two baskets away from being 7-1 versus the West.

Those schedules are not balanced.

Here are the standings thru Wednesday night, Jan 13th.


ASC-East
TeamConf Record   Crossover Record   Intra-division Record   Games relative to 4th place
UT-Dallas7-17-10-0+2
Miss Coll7-26-21-0+1.5
LeTU6-26-20-0+1
UOz5-35-30-00
UT-Tyler4-44-40-0-1
ETBU4-44-40-0-1
LaColl4-54-40-1-1.5

TeamConf Record   Crossover Record   Intra-division Record   Games relative to 4th place
McMurry6-25-21-0+2.5
UMHB6-34-32-0+2.0
CTX4-54-30-20
SRSU4-53-41-10
HSU2-62-50-1-1.5
Schreiner2-61-61-0-1.5
HPU2-71-61-1-2.0
TLU0-80-70-1-3.5


IMHO, the divsion races ought to be starting tonight.   The season is almost over and some teams are so far into the hole that they cannot see out.

With the beginning of the new semester, the student bodies ought to have a chance to see the team get hot and make the tournament.

Next year, I hope that both men's and women's coaches will vote to count only the division games towards the division championship and the playoff bids, and end this madness.

Thanks for indulging me in this perennial rant and good luck to LaCollege, ETBU, UTT, HPU, HSU, Schreiner and TLU.  With 12-13 games left in the season,  (that is half of the season), you already in a hole and your season may be looking bleak.




Dr. T,

You've broken this down a little further than I would have, but I think that counting only West Division games or vice versa in the east division is a good idea. The question from there would be, do you still continue to play every team from the opposite division each year, or do you schedule like baseball every year and play the cross division series' on a every-other-year rotation? For the schools with a little more financial fortitude, the freedom to not have to play every cross-division team would allow for more in-region game schedules to boost RPI and please the selection committees. However, it would probably hurt the schools who don't have as much coin as they would scramble to try and fill a schedule.

But, all that being said - if you count just 14 games a year - instead of 21- towards ASC Tournament standings, much like college football you make each of those games a lot more interesting, and a lot more weighs on each game creating a more competitive atmosphere. My two cents.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 21, 2010, 10:43:43 AM
We'll see if I can add to my 26-15 record.


Missed the UO UT-D game, 26-16.


UT-D over UT-T
LC over ETBU
McM over SRSU-ONce again, can they overcome the trip.
CUA over SU
UMHB over TLU
HPU over HSU
MC over LeT


LC over LET
SRSU over HSU
UTT over UO
MC over ETBU
McM over HPU
CUA over TLU
UMHB over SU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 21, 2010, 11:49:23 AM
Now that UNO is going DIII, is there any chance of them joining the ASC or maybe even teams from the ASC East splitting and making their own league? They could add Centenary and Huntingdon(sp?) with UNO, MC, LET, ETBU and LC and maybe UTT and have an 8 team league.

Also, i know the arena at UNO maybe the biggest and nicest in DIII, they should make a bid on the DIII final four.  Who wouldnt like a trip to the French Quarter for 3 or 4 days!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 21, 2010, 12:25:47 PM
I dont think the French Quarter is in the spirit of DIII and the private church schools.....



That is a great recruiting base!  They will be a force in due time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 21, 2010, 02:13:02 PM
I didnt know that good music, churches, and history was not the spirit of D3.  Is the spirit of D3 to have no fun and experience new things, new culture and maybe have a little fun? What are you talking about?  That was a dumb statement. 

They will have a great recruiting base you would think but they havent worked it very well as a member of DI so i dont know....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 21, 2010, 03:38:16 PM
And I forgot about phenomenal food!



Spellcheck and edit function provided.  (Your post total may not be high enough to have the "Modify" button that one acquires with more posts.  I usually use Firefox 3.+ as my browser precisely because it has spellcheck built in.  +1!  -- Ralph Turner   ;) )
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 21, 2010, 03:38:40 PM
I hope i spelled that correctly
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 22, 2010, 10:36:41 AM
I was being a little sarcastic there...



UT-D over UT-T-CORRECT
LC over ETBU-CORRECT!!!!!
McM over SRSU-ONce again, can they overcome the trip.-CORRECT
CUA over SU-CORRECT
UMHB over TLU-CORRECT
HPU over HSU-INCORRECT
MC over LeT-CORRECT

Only missed one, way to go LC!!! Brings me to 32-17


Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on January 22, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
so was I.  I really do think they should put a bid in though, their arena is really nice and big
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2010, 06:12:43 PM
McM 82, at HPU 78
ay UMHB 76, Schreiner 67
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on January 26, 2010, 09:55:47 AM
LC over LET-INCORRECT
SRSU over HSU-CORRECT
UTT over UO-CORRECT
MC over ETBU-CORRECT
McM over HPU-CORRECT
CUA over TLU-CORRECT
UMHB over SU-CORRECT

Brings me to 38-18.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2010, 12:33:00 AM
Earthquake (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/us2010rzaq.php) in West Texas.

There are so few people in that part of west Texas that there is a chance that no one felt it.
Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=32.9063+-100.8218%28M2.9+-+WESTERN+TEXAS+-+2010+January+27++04%3A59%3A33+UTC%29&ll=32.9063,-100.8218&spn=2,2&f=d&t=h&hl=e)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2010, 07:28:40 PM
Great interview of Coach DeWeese on Hoopsville.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
McM 91,  at HSU 79, but it was a 2-possession game for most of the time.

A 15-6 run in the last 3 minutes is the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 02, 2010, 06:32:12 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Dylan Howard, the former HSU coach?  What's he doing since he left HSU?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on February 02, 2010, 08:09:32 PM
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100112/SPORTS0203/301129990/1018
Quote from: mcmfan on February 02, 2010, 06:32:12 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Dylan Howard, the former HSU coach?  What's he doing since he left HSU?





EDIT:  Thanks for the hyperlink, and +1  "mad"!

The story talks about Coach Howard being inducted into the 2010 Silver Anniversary Class of the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame.

Congratulations to Coach Howard.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 04, 2010, 01:35:07 PM
Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 10:54:41 PM
Upset!  LaCollege 69 UT-Dallas 68.

Tonight was Think Pink night at Lacollege.

The LaCollege women's coach (former Fresno State head coach Janice Joseph-Richard) is a breast cancer survivor so I wonder if a big crowd showed up and stayed for the Double header.

LaCollege women beat UTD, 58-47, too.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 04, 2010, 10:58:00 PM
Tonight's win apparently puts McM into a tie with UMHB for first place in the West.  Assuming both teams finish out the season with the same win/loss records, which team holds the tie breaker?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 11:40:02 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 04, 2010, 10:58:00 PM
Tonight's win apparently puts McM into a tie with UMHB for first place in the West.  Assuming both teams finish out the season with the same win/loss records, which team holds the tie breaker?



[ERROR] I hit the modify button instead of the quote button.  Here is my response.


UMHB holds the tie-breaker by virtue of a better record in the division.

The loss to TLU hurts us there.  Of course, the OT loss to LeTU on that buzzer beater also would make a difference.

Good to see you last weekend!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on February 06, 2010, 06:05:26 PM
I cant believe MC just lost that game.  Two HUGE mistakes cost them late.  Get a steal with right at a minute left and instead of bringing it out the PG attempts a bad shot and misses, and then we gamble and try to steal a pass and dont get it and leave a guy who has already made 4 3point baskets wide open and he knocks it down.  Give UTD credit, they won the game by making the choctaws pay on those mistakes.  That was the first time ive been able to watch a game this season, not really seeing Haywood as possibly the best player to ever play at MC, was hoping to see more out of him.  We look like we have a nice mix of players though, hopefully we can pull out the championship in the conference tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2010, 06:28:32 PM
Final:  CTX 108, McM 89.  UMHB is all alone in first place in the West.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2010, 10:25:29 PM
UTD at UTT has been postponed until Monday Feb 15th.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 11, 2010, 11:17:54 PM
Have not posted in a long time...Thought I would give my thoughts on McM this year.

I thought they were going to be a better team than they are right now.  For example, I thought they looked they should be a 15-25 point better team than SRU, but they barely won.
They don't play good defense or rebound lately, and they make alot of mistakes...not very tough either.  They seem a little pouty when Holmes gets on to them.  I thought they could host this year, but since that is gone, they need to toughen up.  They proved they could beat UMHB at their place and also UTD, but if they keep playing this way, they will be one and done in the Conference Tourney.

Don't get me wrong, it could be a whole lot worse.  Alot of teams would consider this a great year, but this is McM basketball, and Holmes and all his fans have come to expect alot more.
It's been a long time since they have won the Conference Championship, and this team could do it, but I don't think they are tough enough right now...and unfortunately its hard to change at this point.

FinnMan
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 12, 2010, 11:58:21 AM
Sorry guys,

I have been very busy with work and have not kept up and just had a chance to get going here again.  First of great win for LC over UT-D.  Tough loss against ETBU last night.  Much improved this year it seems.


Here are Saturday's games:


LC over LeT
SRSU over HSU
UT-T over UO
MC over ETBU
MCM over HPU
CUA over TLU
UMHB over SU



38-18 overall.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2010, 04:10:22 PM
There is a pre-game ceremony at the HPU game.

Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rawlins, Jr have worked a team to broadcast McMurry  football, men's and women's basketball and baseball for 15 years.

Leon is moving on for personal reasons. Kit is staying as long as he wants it.

Thanks to the pair, and thanks especially to Leon for all of the memories over these last 11 years that I have been following them on the internet streams, both audio and now internet video.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 17, 2010, 03:12:55 PM
It's official -- at a press conference at McMurry, Ron Holmes has just announced that he's retiring as men's head basketball coach after this season.  He'll be replaced by Matt Garnett, currently the McM assistant coach.  Ron has been both basketball coach and McMurry A.D.; he'll now be able to concentrate on his A.D. duties.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 17, 2010, 04:59:19 PM
http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2010/2/17/MBB_0217102131.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on February 17, 2010, 05:09:02 PM
Only saw one game that Holmes coached.  Elite eight in 2000 in MI.  He came in with a great team, high powered offense, and Martinez had 10 steals.  He coached hard, his team played hard, and when it was over he was about as gracious as any coach I have ever seen in that circumstance.   Calvin jsut posted a video on their website with highlights of that season, and game.  coach Holmes appears on the video. 
www.calvin.edu link to the sports, and from there men's b-ball. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 17, 2010, 08:01:09 PM
realist, couldn't find it, could you be more specific as to where the link is?

I would love to see it.

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 17, 2010, 09:14:06 PM
Anyone else hear or see the ending to UTT UTD game? Refs cheated UTT out of win, called a foul in tie game with .9 seconds left on the opposite end of the court. It was on a rebound of a missed 3, UTD made second free throw. UTT coach an the ref got into it early in the 2nd an he then called 2 or 3 fouls in a row on the UTT point guard while he was just guarding the ball, not even on drives. Needless to say the same refwas the one who made the call at the end of the game.

Not to mention the win UTD stole at home against Ozarks, Two bogus calls in the last 10 seconds against Ozarks up 3. One foul led to two free throws and the other led to UTD ball under their own basket with about 5 seconds left. They run a lob play to 35, he misses but hustles to get his own rebound on the opposite side of the goal, trips and take about two extra steps (clearly a travel but no call) then shoots a fade away. Shot goes over the goal, 34 catches it in the air and tips it in....not even at the buzzer. Ozarks still had a chance to inbound the ball and heave one..... Can all they happen in 5 seconds? NOOO WAY, and needless to say when the cameras zoomed out the Ozarks assistant coach was yelling ballistically at the UTD scores table. A little home cooking for the comets.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2010, 09:17:29 PM
You Tube video of the Holmes resignation Garnett Successor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02y-MNs7-no)

There have been two coaches at McMurry for the last 51 seasons, Hershell Kimbrell and Ron Holmes.  IMHO, Matt Garnett is the right person for the job.

I encourage you to enjoy the 9minute 37 second video.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1ascfanman on February 18, 2010, 10:52:15 AM
LC over LeT-CORRECT
SRSU over HSU-CORRECT
UT-T over UO-CORRECT
MC over ETBU-INCORRECT
MCM over HPU-CORRECT
CUA over TLU-CORRECT
UMHB over SU-CORRECT



44-19 overall.

Interesting about the McMurry coach, we will see if they continue their success.  Impressive only two coaches in that time. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on February 18, 2010, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2010, 04:10:22 PM
There is a pre-game ceremony at the HPU game.

Kit Kimbrell and Leon Rawlins, Jr have worked a team to broadcast McMurry  football, men's and women's basketball and baseball for 15 years.

Leon is moving on for personal reasons. Kit is staying as long as he wants it.

Thanks to the pair, and thanks especially to Leon for all of the memories over these last 11 years that I have been following them on the internet streams, both audio and now internet video.

Greg Jaklewicz, the Abilene Reporter News Sports Editor, wrote a feature on the pair that ran in the paper today, thought some might find this interesting: http://www.reporternews.com/news/2010/feb/17/leon-leaving-mcmurry-broadcast-duo-after-15-year/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 18, 2010, 10:44:12 PM
Well, the tournament is set.  It really ought to be a good one!  Mary Hardin-Baylor clinched hosting due to the tie-breaker rules.  It's a great facility and they really know how to run a tourney.  Any early thoughts on favorites?

#1E Texas-Dallas vs. #4W Sul Ross State
#2E Mississippi College vs. #3W Concordia Texas
#1W Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. #4E Texas-Tyler
#2W McMurry vs. #3E East Texas Baptist

Tie-breaker possibilities:
UMHB over McM (they split in the regular season, but UMHB beat #3 CTX both times in the regular season while McM split with CTX).
UTT over LeTourneau (Tyler beat LET both times in the regular season)

Not very often that the final day of the season means virtually nothing!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 20, 2010, 01:08:52 PM
The final day of the season means a lot to us here at McMurry, as it is the last regular season game for Coach Ron Holmes.

A great coach, friend and man.  Thanks to Coach as he has done so much for McMurry, the young men who have played for him and for the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on February 20, 2010, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: mcm_sid on February 17, 2010, 08:01:09 PM
realist, couldn't find it, could you be more specific as to where the link is?

I would love to see it.

Thanks

Go to the www.calvin.edu site
at the bottom of the home page select the link to sports.
ont eh sports page select "men's teams", and a pop up of various teams comes up.  select men's basketball.
The highlight is mentioned in the list on the left.

Coah Holmes is a class guy.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2010, 10:34:31 PM
The frustrating thing about this season for us McMurry fans was the fact that we could not figure out which team would show up.

The two wins over HSU and the road wins over UMHB and UTDallas were one thing.  The losses to LeTU, TLU and Schreiner were committed by a team that I did not recognize.  This team should be 20-5 overall/18-4 in-region/ 18-3 in conference and regionally ranked somewhere about 4th or 5th on the South Region.

The Tourney should be happening at Kimbrell this weekend.

I hope the players will do some real gut-checking and come out focused on what they need to do.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 23, 2010, 02:16:59 PM
Tournament Preditions  ???

First Round Winners:  UTD, McM, CU & MHB

Secound Round :  McM & CU

Finals:  CU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Twright17 on February 25, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
THis is my first time posting posting, so let me start off by saying that it  is very interesting getting different opinions on the teams in the ASC. Second, I'm a recent UT-D grad and player so I'm pulling for UT-D.

The UTT UTD game was not the refs fault. If anybody saw the game Tyler  lost that game. Rodgers was fouled, are refs supposed to stop officiating bc there is a few secs left on the clock? The Tyler player made a bad play, he fouled, they called it. That is not cheating, that's just not being smart. Tyler also took a terrible shot to try and win the game.
The Ozarks game, Ozarks has a right to be upset with how that ended. Once again, it didnt have to come to that, all Oz had to do was inbound the ball and they would have won. I repeat all they had to do was INBOUND the ball and they couldnt even do that. Rodgers once again made a great play and got a jump ball. All these close games have one thing in common, the opposing teams had plenty of opportunities to win but didnt, it is nobodies fault but their own.

Onto to the Tournament, I'm going UT-D to repeat. They got a great group of experienced players who won it last year and want to win it again.

Gotta lookout for ETBU, they could cause some problems with their athleticism and length. Should Be a good tournament down in UMHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on February 26, 2010, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Twright17 on February 25, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
THis is my first time posting posting, so let me start off by saying that it  is very interesting getting different opinions on the teams in the ASC. Second, I'm a recent UT-D grad and player so I'm pulling for UT-D.

The UTT UTD game was not the refs fault. If anybody saw the game Tyler  lost that game. Rodgers was fouled, are refs supposed to stop officiating bc there is a few secs left on the clock? The Tyler player made a bad play, he fouled, they called it. That is not cheating, that's just not being smart. Tyler also took a terrible shot to try and win the game.
The Ozarks game, Ozarks has a right to be upset with how that ended. Once again, it didnt have to come to that, all Oz had to do was inbound the ball and they would have won. I repeat all they had to do was INBOUND the ball and they couldnt even do that. Rodgers once again made a great play and got a jump ball. All these close games have one thing in common, the opposing teams had plenty of opportunities to win but didnt, it is nobodies fault but their own.

Onto to the Tournament, I'm going UT-D to repeat. They got a great group of experienced players who won it last year and want to win it again.

Gotta lookout for ETBU, they could cause some problems with their athleticism and length. Should Be a good tournament down in UMHB.


I disagree with you, The UTT game you dont call a foul with .7 seconds left  on the opposite free throw line. If you were watching the game, about the middle of the game the ref made three straight calls against the UTT pg while he was just guarding the ball, not even on drives.... This was right after the a heated discussion between Bizot and the ref. Needless to say, that same ref made the call to end the game.

Refs tend to swallow the whistle at the end of the game, kinda like they did in the UTD UO game. Im not saying UTD cheated or its the refs fault UTT lost, but it should have gone to OT.

And to the UTD UO game? Were you there? First of all the foul that send barnes to the line when they were down 3 was completely bogus. The defender might not of even touched him and they called a hold, he was even wide open coming off the screen. Then yes all they had to do was inbounds the ball, but rodgers got about 3 fingers on the ball reaching over an across the UO players shoulder and they call a jump ball. The call doesnt get made if the game is anywhere else. And then the theres the travel and the scoreskeeper starting the clock late. Those games really didnt effect the standings but still, I dont agree with the stuff the happened. Especially at UTD.

To the tourney, I dont like UTD to repeat unless Greene plays. They just dont look as good without him. UTT is hot right now, only game they lost in last 5 was the one point loss to UTD. And the played UMHB close early this season. Had the lead late and only lost by 4.

I will say UMHB is the favorite because of the support they get at home. But watch out for MC, they always find a way to get to the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 26, 2010, 04:44:47 PM
Ralph

You guys are getting luckey
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2010, 06:12:54 PM
...but apparently not lucky enough.  McM 77, ETBU 85   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2010, 06:14:44 PM
Quote from: etbualum on February 26, 2010, 04:44:47 PM
Ralph

You guys are getting luckey
Yeah, Steven Luckey had a great game, but the team just seemed to fold somewhere in the second half of the season, maybe after the win in Belton.

I cannot figure this team out.  I know that Coach Garnett will do a great job, but I wish that my old friend, Coach Holmes, had finished with an ASC Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 26, 2010, 07:59:29 PM
I think all ASC fans should thank Coach Holmes for his years not only at McMurry but what he has done for the ASC. 

Congrats Coach and good luck Coach Garnett.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 27, 2010, 12:04:13 AM
Coach Holmes is a man with a high core set of values and is worthy of respect.  His record at McMurry over a span of 20 years sets a high standard for those who come after, just as coach Kimbrell did before him.  Coach Matt Garnett now is entrusted to carry our banner on to the field of contest.  IMHO, Matt Garnett is deserving of the title, "Coach."  A coach can be defined as one who trains young men for the coming contests and is a trusted friend and adviser for their life after college. 

This season started with such promise and with a high degree of sucess!  Then the troubles started.  Four of the athletes who the coaches relied on to provide a high level of solid minutes, for whatever the reason, were not with the team after the end of the first semester.  McMurry found itself seriously restricted at the 4 and 5 position.  New offense and defenses had to be installed.  Most importantly, the depth needed to crash the boards at both ends was not present.  The team suffered a crises of confidence.  When that happens, a half step of speed is lost, hesitation on the outlet pass, failure to take the shot during that brief flash when the shooter is open. 

Effort continued.  They played with heart.  Robert Moreno, Steven Lucky, J. Hart, and others picked up their game.  In the final game with ETBU, McMurry may not have won but I am most proud of the effort of the players and coaches Holmes and Garnett.  ETBU was bigger, stronger, deeper, and better.  McMurry led most of the game with passing,  screens, and accurate 3pt. shooting.  in the last 10 minutes of the contest, ETBU strength and depth in the paint made the difference.  McMurry continued to play hard, on offense and defense.  They did not quit.  McMurry team and coaches were playing as hard as they could to the final seconds. 

McMurry did not win on the scoreboard, but my respect for these coaches and players is now deeper. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Twright17 on February 27, 2010, 01:41:29 AM
Quote from: pistol pete 22 on February 26, 2010, 01:59:18 PM
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I disagree with you, The UTT game you dont call a foul with .7 seconds left  on the opposite free throw line. If you were watching the game, about the middle of the game the ref made three straight calls against the UTT pg while he was just guarding the ball, not even on drives.... This was right after the a heated discussion between Bizot and the ref. Needless to say, that same ref made the call to end the game.

Refs tend to swallow the whistle at the end of the game, kinda like they did in the UTD UO game. Im not saying UTD cheated or its the refs fault UTT lost, but it should have gone to OT.

And to the UTD UO game? Were you there? First of all the foul that send barnes to the line when they were down 3 was completely bogus. The defender might not of even touched him and they called a hold, he was even wide open coming off the screen. Then yes all they had to do was inbounds the ball, but rodgers got about 3 fingers on the ball reaching over an across the UO players shoulder and they call a jump ball. The call doesnt get made if the game is anywhere else. And then the theres the travel and the scoreskeeper starting the clock late. Those games really didnt effect the standings but still, I dont agree with the stuff the happened. Especially at UTD.

To the tourney, I dont like UTD to repeat unless Greene plays. They just dont look as good without him. UTT is hot right now, only game they lost in last 5 was the one point loss to UTD. And the played UMHB close early this season. Had the lead late and only lost by 4.

I will say UMHB is the favorite because of the support they get at home. But watch out for MC, they always find a way to get to the finals.


Utt-UTD, yes the ref called a foul with .7 secs, could he have swallowed the whistle, yes but he didn't. The basic facts are this, Rodgers got fouled, it wasn't a phantom call, it was blatant.
As far as Oz goes, i had a great seat for that game, although i do not remember it as detailed as you what say seems correct. All I know is this and i learned this from playing in the ASC, if your an underdog you can not keep a game close at someone elses house bc of situations like what happened. I don't believe Rodgers fouled the kid on the jump ball. The guy who the pass was intended for made no aggressive move toward the ball. He stood there and let the ball come to him which allowed Rodgers to get the jump ball. You can always look back on games and find calls that are questionable, that is the nature of the beast. I'm not justifying the calls that were made, I'm just stating that blame cannot solely be placed on the refs when the players in both games had chances to keep the refs out of the conclusion. UT-T lost that game and so did Oz, very hard lessons to learn but it will only make them better in future. I know how both teams feel, it sucks but you gotta capitalize on ever possession especially on the road. They aren't the first teams to have questionable calls go against them and wont be the last.

Greene is definitely missed this year, his experience and offensive and defensive presence is missed but they had guys step up in place of him and bring diff things to the table. They may not look as good without Greene but it hasn't stopped them winning. UT-d has beat everyone is conference except MCM, so my question is why do people not consider them the favorites to win? Out of all the teams in conference they have been the most consistent

Congrats to ETBU, congrats to Robert on a great career. Had the opportunity to play against him for two years, absolutely hated his quick hands. I'm sure if he was healthy things would have ended differently. ETBU length can cause any teams problem especially their 2-3. IT seemed to slow MCM down some imo.

MHB  and Mc should be a good game, good tournament so far
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2010, 05:10:51 PM
bcal,
Thank you for your sympathetic insight about the McM men's team.  It should help us take something positive out of a disappointing season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2010, 10:32:00 AM
Bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbb-bracket2010.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2010, 10:51:33 AM
That is a pretty good bracket for us.  The Wheaton IL vs UMHB game should be a high profile game on Thursday night.

And you gotta go into the Midwest Bracket sometime.  Both UMHB and UTD should do well in that style of play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 03, 2010, 11:37:54 AM
To start I have to admit I don't follow basketball that much so I am honestly asking this question without thinking I know the answer to this question.

How is UT-Dallas ranked so much higher than UMHB in the final regional rankings and poll when UMHB just beat them by 10 and only lost by 4 at the beginning of the season?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2010, 04:12:58 PM
There was a significant difference in strength of schedule and I suspect UTD's two wins against Austin College (a regionally ranked opponent) helped boost them. The entire schedule is taken into account, not just the head-to-head split. Point differential is definitely not a factor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2010, 05:02:38 PM
Sorry, yes. But that still boosts the SOS and results against regionally ranked teams, having two extra games on the resume.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2010, 05:10:29 PM
Quote from: Ray Finkles on March 03, 2010, 04:38:44 PM
U.T.-Dallas split with Austin College.
UTD and UMHB split on the season as well.

As for results versus regionally ranked teams, UTD went 1-1 versus UMHB and AC.  (4 results)

UMHB went 1-1 versus UTD and 0-1 versus UW-Lacrosse. (3 results)

UTD had a better in-region record 22-4 vs 22-5.

Among common in-region opponents (basically ASC conference play), UTD went 18-2, UMHB went 17-4.  Adding the tournament, UTD goes to 20-3; UMHB goes to 20-4.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2010, 10:27:29 AM
Final Score in the first round,  Wheaton IL 73 UMHB 58.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Twright17 on March 07, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
My question is, why cant UT-D get a little credit for their accomplishments over the last few years? I know teams in the West have a more storied history but it is the guys at UT-D that are not only competing in the tournament but winning as well. I think UT-D is doing a great job putting the ASC on the map even though support from the conference seems nonexistent. UT-D run last year was marked with more comments about the opposing team instead of support for them. As far as I know only one other team the in men's ASC conference history has went as far them. Now they are embarking again on a similar journey yet no one on this board has said anything about it. UT-D may not have the flash that other teams have, nor the prestige but they are presently building a legacy for not only UT-D basketball but also for ASC basketball that hopefully people in the future will come to appreciate.
So i ask the question again, how is it UT-D has won the most games over the past two years, went further in the NCAA tournament, been nationally ranked, and now hosted and won a second round NCAA tournament game but people still don't give them the respect they deserve?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on March 07, 2010, 02:35:19 AM
Not sure why you think that the conference does not support UTD or why you think they aren't getting their due.  If you are referring to crufootball, he admits that he is not familiar with basketball and his question is not an illogical one: UMHB just beat UTD so why aren't they ranked higher?  That question isn't that absurd. 
Obviously, as Pat and Ralph explained, the body of work proved UTD  is the better team, as does this week's games.  Most would agree that over the span of the last 5 years UTD has been the best in the league. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2010, 09:19:54 AM
Twright17,

If you are counting the posting activity on these message boards as a proxy for team support by the conference, then I don't think that that is a fair evaluation.

If you analyze the number of posts that we have had this season on these conference boards, the ASC is way down.  Nobody posts anymore, from virtually any school.  The women's boards are silent after 3-5 years of vigorous banter among the west Texas fans.  The UMHB and LaCollege fans have not jumped aboard, yet.

As for team support by UTD fans, we had more vocal, if not more numerous, fan support from McMurry at the UTD game in December.  As a "commuter college" UTD has the challenge of getting support from its local students.  Those discussions have been had on the CCIW and other boards.

I am happy for UTD.  I think that UTD's personnel and style of play are the most capable of beating UWSP in the conference, especially the teams that were present at the end of the season.  I strongly believe that if they had Brandon Green and Jimmy Witten.  

You are right about UTD. Only the 2000 McMurry amd 2009 UTD teams have made the Elite 8.

Good luck and represent the conference well.



Please bring your friends to the message boards for all sports that Pat Coleman's sites provide.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2010, 05:59:08 PM
My thanks to UTD...for representing the ASC very well.  Proud of you!  Good luck in the future!

Sweet 16 is great!


HSU Cowboy fan...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pistol pete 22 on March 21, 2010, 06:58:24 PM
Congrats to UT-Tyler ex Anthony Reese who left for Brazil this week to play professionally
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 22, 2010, 09:55:49 PM
This was in the Dallas Morning News sports letters to the editor on March 21.

QuoteReal scholar-athletes

We want to extend our gratitude for your recent article covering the UT-Dallas Comets basketball team advancing to the NCAA Division III Sweet 16 for the second year.

I admit we are better known for chess and debate, but we are very proud of this year's starting five and the excellent sixth man, who have maintained a GPA of 3.55. They are studying accounting, finance and engineering while meeting the demands of intercollegiate sports. They are mostly scholarship students who, with an average SAT score of 1,350, were awarded academic, not athletic scholarships (Division III does not allow financial support based on athletic ability). Five out of the six are academic all-conference players, and one was named an NCAA academic All-American.

These players were not expecting their performance to enhance their professional prospects and the university administration was not counting on balancing the budget with the television revenue. These young men played for the love of the game.

We will never appear above the fold on the sports page but appreciate your mention. We are Division III – Chicago, MIT, Cal Tech, Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Amherst, Rochester and 442 other NCAA colleges and universities that represent the truest ideals of intercollegiate sports and the scholar-athlete. A university is simply a reflection of its students and its students a reflection of their university. Today our university shines brightly from all these young men have achieved. We thank them so much.

— J. Michael Coleman, Ph.D.
Dean of Undergraduate Education
University of Texas at Dallas
Thank you, Dr. Coleman.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 12, 2010, 03:02:47 PM
Congratulations to Centenary on joining the American Southwest Conference (http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/4/9/GEN_0409100445.aspx)

Video links to comments by Dr Rowe, AD Tillich and Commissioner Carlton at the bottom of the article.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on April 13, 2010, 09:53:15 AM
They really need to split this conference into 2 divisions, an East and West.  It's gotten too big.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 13, 2010, 11:39:38 AM
It is in two divisions already.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on September 07, 2010, 11:23:07 AM
Just wanted to get the ASC topic rolling again.

This should be an interesting year for UT - Dallas. They have 2 starters returning strong from season ending injuries to play in their final seasons (Greene and Witten), who were both starters during the Comets 2009 Elite 8 run when they lost in a heartbreaker in OT to Guilford.  Also returning are players who had very important roles last season in Curtis Davis and Chris Barnes and will probably be taking over starting roles this season. They also have several players coming off the bench that know the offense and system well and should play a big role in the team this year. The Comets have a great returning core after losing 3 starters (Fleming, Eppink, Rodgers) from the 2010 Sweet 16 team. 

A big question this season will be how well a new point guard can step in and take over the offense.  There seems to be a good class of freshman as well as several transfers that will be able to contribute to the team this season.  Coach Butterfield is a great coach and knows how to recruit players that fit well into the system.  With such a large recruiting class UTD is hoping to solve the problem that came back to haunt them in the last two postseasons.  Depth.

UTD will be looking to host the tournament again this season and has a good chance to do so.  With the recruiting class that has come in, UTD looks like they may continue to be a force in the ASC for several years.

Potential Problem:
I am hearing of a scheduling situation that could cause problems.  Don't forget UTD couldn't host the first round of the NCAA tournament in 2009 because of scheduling problems in the gym, so it wouldn't be the first time. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2010, 12:14:48 AM
McMurry has a home game, yes a game in Kimbrell Arena, on December 18th, with Southern Methodist University.  Press release is circulating.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on October 17, 2010, 12:50:25 AM
Wow that is interesting. Is McMurry still getting paid for it?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2010, 08:57:29 AM
I am not sure of that detail, but it works for everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on November 05, 2010, 09:39:16 PM
UTD has a stretch where 11 out of 13 are road games, including 7 straight road games.  This is due to the bleachers being redone in the middle of the season.  This is really a shame for UTD.  After losing a chance to host the first round of the National Championship in 2009, I think the program thought they had situations like this handled.  As to why this could not be done in the summer, I do not know, but this is very disappointing and frustrating for the program.  I'm sure they will not let it effect their play, but they have a right to be upset about getting kicked out of their own gym in mid season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2010, 11:26:38 PM
Exhibition game   McMurry 64, at D-1 Houston Baptist 60.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on November 16, 2010, 01:52:06 PM
Excited about the season starting back up!

Going to the UTD vs. Austin College Match-up tonight.  Will be curious to see how UTD looks losing 3 starters, even though they are returning a solid group.  Austin College should have a solid team too. From what I see they seem big.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2010, 09:23:11 AM
Quakers host a doubleheader tournament tonight in Ragan-Brown:

Averett vs Emory at 6 pm
Guilford vs McMurry at 8 pm

I look forward to seeing our Quaker Club members tonight at the halftime reception.  If any posters from the other three schools will be there, look me up!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2010, 08:22:25 PM
Why cannot I not get the Sportzcast of Guilford vs McMurry?

Is it not a free site?  I do not see the pay-per-view icons.


I have the game.

Good video and the Guilford broadcast team is doing a good job.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 20, 2010, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2010, 08:22:25 PM
Why cannot I not get the Sportzcast of Guilford vs McMurry?

Is it not a free site?  I do not see the pay-per-view icons.


I have the game.

Good video and the Guilford broadcast team is doing a good job.
Glad you were able to get the connection, Ralph.  With the freshmen height I saw on the roster, I expect big things out of McMurry over the next few years.  By the way, is #50 on the football team?  - 6'3"/250 with a mohawk.  :)  I wouldn't want to take a charge!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2010, 04:52:25 PM
Final  -- McMurry 69 Averett 60.  It was never closer than a 6 point game and Averett never led.

Good road trip for McM.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2010, 11:17:30 PM
Solid performance for McMurry today against LeTU, an 83-62 win.

Coach Garnett has assembled quality talent that look about 10-11 deep.  The new faces (there are only 4 returners) are learning to play as a unit.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 30, 2010, 01:55:15 PM
Anybody know what happened to McMurry last night against UT Tyler?  How do you blow a 20-point lead?  It sounds like all our starters fouled out and the bench couldn't keep up the pace, but I only heard part of the game on the radio.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on November 30, 2010, 03:50:42 PM
Wow. That is a big turnaround.

UTD traveling to Abilene this week.  Should be two good games.  Wish I could be there. Its been a long time since UTD has won in Kimbrell Arena.  2002 I think was the last time. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2010, 06:22:29 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on November 30, 2010, 01:55:15 PM
Anybody know what happened to McMurry last night against UT Tyler?  How do you blow a 20-point lead?  It sounds like all our starters fouled out and the bench couldn't keep up the pace, but I only heard part of the game on the radio.
The starters began fouling, but IMHO, the fouls were ticky-tacky stupid fouls that showed loss of focus on the necessity of demolishing a team when you have them down by 20 with 10 minutes left.

UTT just stayed in the game, and then the fans got back into the game and the momentum switched.

I am not sure what Coach Garnett said after the game or in practice today, but it was definitely a mammoth first "ugly" loss.

I thought that players #6-#8 game off the bench and played well.  It was a team effort.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2010, 11:12:18 PM
at SRSU 68 Mississippi College 61

Mississippi College falls to 3-3 on the season.

McMurry beat UOz 83-79.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
But McM could never put Ozarks away.  An 8-point lead with 2 minutes to go just evaporated, and suddenly we were up by only 1 point.  If McM plays like this against UTD tomorrow night, we're toast (and I'm sure Coach Garnett has told the players that).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on December 04, 2010, 01:47:59 PM
Some interesting stats I found. Mississippi College before the Sul Ross game averaged 33 free throws a game. They shot seven at Sul Ross. The lobos commited 9 fouls in the game, or should i say "9 called fouls". Also, MC shot the least amount of three's they have attempted all year so more shots were closer to the goal which any person who has any basketball since would say that they should have attempted more free throws this due to most fouls commited during a game are around the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2010, 06:02:52 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 03, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
But McM could never put Ozarks away.  An 8-point lead with 2 minutes to go just evaporated, and suddenly we were up by only 1 point.  If McM plays like this against UTD tomorrow night, we're toast (and I'm sure Coach Garnett has told the players that).
Final McMurry 72  UT-Dallas 60

This is the best performance that I have seen this year.  (I missed the Barclay game, but they were not competitive.)

There did not seem to be any mental lapses today.

Final exams next week, and then HSU at the Mabee Complex on Tuesday Dec 14th.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on December 07, 2010, 04:19:21 AM
Wasn't able to watch, but from what I heard your pressure was causing a lot of forced shots.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2010, 07:29:48 AM
Quote from: THE U - TD on December 07, 2010, 04:19:21 AM
Wasn't able to watch, but from what I heard your pressure was causing a lot of forced shots.   
I think that McMurry matches well with UTD.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on December 07, 2010, 12:23:52 PM
McMurry has won 5 of the last 6 matchups with UTD over 5 years.  Thats by far the best record any team has against UTD in the last 5 years.  Pretty impressive I think considering the success UTD has had.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2010, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: THE U - TD on December 07, 2010, 12:23:52 PM
McMurry has won 5 of the last 6 matchups with UTD over 5 years.  Thats by far the best record any team has against UTD in the last 5 years.  Pretty impressive I think considering the success UTD has had.
Fans outside the ASC don't realize that matchups have so much to do with the outcomes in the ASC.

UTD matches up great on a national level.  In fact, I think UTD matches better than Mississippi College nationally.  UMHB has done okay, too.

But every school in the conference knows which team will play them tough, and we fans know which teams we think that we "are in their heads".

It makes for very enjoyable conference races and post-season tourneys.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on December 09, 2010, 07:16:29 PM
I couldn't agree more.  I think another thing that people don't realize is how many different styles of basketball there are in this conference, which relates to the matchups.   Where every night you are playing a different style whether its press the whole game like Concordia or an extremely athletic team full of juco transfers like Mississippi.  I can go down the list.  And then on top of that is of course the travel. I don't think any conference except maybe the SCAC travels as many miles
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: THE U - TD on December 09, 2010, 07:16:29 PM
I couldn't agree more.  I think another thing that people don't realize is how many different styles of basketball there are in this conference, which relates to the matchups.   Where every night you are playing a different style whether its press the whole game like Concordia or an extremely athletic team full of juco transfers like Mississippi.  I can go down the list.  And then on top of that is of course the travel. I don't think any conference except maybe the SCAC travels as many miles

The UAA has the most travel.

They play on Fridays and Sundays.  That means that they are flying almost every weekend.

Travel partners are:

Brandeis (Boston) and New York U (New York City)

Emory (Atlanta) and Rochester NY

Case-Western Reserve (Cleveland) and Carnegie-Mellon (Pittsburgh)

Chicago and Washington-St Louis
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2010, 11:19:20 PM
Final score from Kimbrell Arena on the McMurry campus


SMU 70 McM 67
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2010, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2010, 11:19:20 PM
Final score from Kimbrell Arena on the McMurry campus


SMU 70 McM 67




ESPN noticed.


http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/notebookweeklywatch1004/week-4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
McMurry 77 Mississippi College 64

Greg Pulliam for MC is gooood!

McMurry is 5-2 in conference with 2 [thinking expletives] overtime road losses!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstar on January 08, 2011, 04:48:13 PM
I think the conference should look into not hiring referee's that give hugs to players right before the game on the court. What's your thoughts on that Ralph ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2011, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: hoopstar on January 08, 2011, 04:48:13 PM
I think the conference should look into not hiring referee's that give hugs to players right before the game on the court. What's your thoughts on that Ralph ;) ;)
I saw no referees hugging the players prior to the HPU-McMurry game tonight.   ;)

Final Score McM 87 HPU 67.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on January 14, 2011, 03:41:55 PM
ETBU boys have hit a bump in the road after smooth sailing early, having lost their last 2 conference games on the road to Sul Ross and Louisiana College...have a big one coming Saturday as they are in Clinton to square off with Mississippi.  Need to string some wins together again fast!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 18, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
HSU is currently #1 in the West.  Has this ever happened before?  For years, they were also-rans in the conference.  This seems to me to be a major turnaround for the HSU program.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2011, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on January 18, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
HSU is currently #1 in the West.  Has this ever happened before?  For years, they were also-rans in the conference.  This seems to me to be a major turnaround for the HSU program.
Hmmm...

The Rangers beat the Yankees to win the AL Pennant.

The Horned Frogs, the Mustangs, the Aggies and the Bears all go to Bowl Games and the Longhorns don't.

Signs of the end times? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2011, 09:35:27 AM
First place weekend in the ASC-West...

McMurry at CTX
HSU at UMHB

Some team(s) will wake-up Sunday morning liking where they are.   :)

Quote from: mcmfan on January 18, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
HSU is currently #1 in the West.  Has this ever happened before?  For years, they were also-rans in the conference.  This seems to me to be a major turnaround for the HSU program.

As for HSU having sole possession of first place with 11 games left in conference play, I cannot remember HSU being there this late in the season.  They were Tri-Champs with McM and SRSU in 2004-05.  Does anyone else remember?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
A real barn-burner at CTX  Tied at 82, 5.7 sec left, McMurry ball. Going to OT

McMurry 105, CTX 100.

McMurry ties HSU for 2nd in the West.  McMurry trailed 24-4 at the start of the game.

This may be the best effort of the season for McMurry.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 21, 2011, 01:07:49 AM
McM did not have their "A" game for much of the contest.  However, when it really counted, the team showed their "A" courage.  That was quite true for the last 5 minutes of regulation and all of overtime.  McM hit their free throws and some big shots in the overtime period.  Defense was a critical part of the win.  UMHB will be another strong challange on Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2011, 07:44:05 PM
Quote from: bcal on January 21, 2011, 01:07:49 AM
McM did not have their "A" game for much of the contest.  However, when it really counted, the team showed their "A" courage.  That was quite true for the last 5 minutes of regulation and all of overtime.  McM hit their free throws and some big shots in the overtime period.  Defense was a critical part of the win.  UMHB will be another strong challange on Saturday. 

Then why does this team not bring its "A" game for the full 40 minutes?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 22, 2011, 09:15:24 PM
McM had it's "A" game the last ten minutes Thursday at CTX.  In this afternoon's game aganist UMHB, McM did not have an "A" game in the last ten minutes.  Outside shooting was a problem all game long.  No one seemed to have a good feel from outside 12 feet.  McM's 21 and 30 were effective scoring in the paint and 30 was strong rebounding.  At times focus seemed to be a problem as it appeared concentration lapsed.  McM's 34 and 44 are improving as they receive much needed playing time.  Takes time for bigs who are first year to learn the college game.

UMHB has a fine team with depth.  UMHB's 23 and 34 provided excellent support off the bench.  They played a lot of effective minutes in the second half. 

This was a game McM could have won, but did not.  A game UMHB could have lost, but would not. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on January 22, 2011, 11:37:04 PM
UTD shot 0-20 (Yikes) from the 3-point line tonight and still won at Louisiana College 60-56.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on January 28, 2011, 05:50:15 PM
HUGE ASC West matchup this Saturday on the UTD Campus as division leading ETBU rolls into town.  An ETBU win puts them in the driver seat for West crown!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
Good morning,all!

The cold front came thru Tyler about an hour ago.

I have checked the wind chill and temperature charts from Plymouth State College (New Hampshire and Division III Little East Conference and New England Football Conference) at 0600 hours CST, 1200 Zulu and there is a 41 degree temperature difference between DFW and Shreveport

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/ustemp.gif

and a 58 degree difference in wind chill.

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/uschill.gif
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 01, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
McM students got everything they ever wanted last night.  The women beat HSU by 2 points, the men destroyed HSU by nearly 40, and in the middle of the men's game Ron Holmes announced that all McM classes would be canceled today.  Pandemonium ensued -- more cheering from the McM stands than for a slam dunk!  (Of course, the reason was the incoming winter storm, not sweeping HSU...)  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 01, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
McM students got everything they ever wanted last night.  The women beat HSU by 2 points, the men destroyed HSU by nearly 40, and in the middle of the men's game Ron Holmes announced that all McM classes would be canceled today.  Pandemonium ensued -- more cheering from the McM stands than for a slam dunk!  (Of course, the reason was the incoming winter storm, not sweeping HSU...)  ;D
It was admirable of you to explain the reason for the cheering, and evidenced the good sportsmanship for which you are known.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 01, 2011, 10:54:23 PM
McMurry professors obviously have to figure out how to make coming to class as exciting for students as not coming to class!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 02, 2011, 01:28:25 PM
Referencing earlier posts on this board about bringing their A game.  When this McM team does bring their A game, they are capable of winning this conference.  The job they did on Matt Addison the other night was incredible.  They took him out of the game even before the opening tip.  

The key to this McM team is defense.  When they defend and rebound for an entire game, they are tough.  Kudos to Coach Garnett.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2011, 12:54:33 PM
McMurry's games with TLU and Schreiner have been pushed back 24 hours due to the weather conditions.

McMurry campus closure has extended to Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 03, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Closure has been extended through Friday, with the games delayed another 24 hours.  The players now hope to get on the road tomorrow (Friday) morning.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2011, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 03, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Closure has been extended through Friday, with the games delayed another 24 hours.  The players now hope to get on the road tomorrow (Friday) morning.
Did they get away this morning?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 05, 2011, 08:02:19 PM
It took UTD 11 hours to get to Marshall from Dallas last night.  That is pretty rough going into a big game like that. Glad to see they still pulled off a win.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
Quote from: THE U - TD on February 05, 2011, 08:02:19 PM
It took UTD 11 hours to get to Marshall from Dallas last night.  That is pretty rough going into a big game like that. Glad to see they still pulled off a win.
Looks like the tourney will be at UT-Dallas.

It is yours to lose.  You have a "1 1/2" game lead on ETBU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 06, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
Hopefully.  Not for sure till its over though. 4 home games to end the season is nice though.  I know the team is tired of traveling after so many away games in a row.  Would love to be able to watch the tourney here in Dallas.   Just be happy you don't have to travel all the way to Mississippi :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2011, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: THE U - TD on February 06, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
Hopefully.  Not for sure till its over though. 4 home games to end the season is nice though.  I know the team is tired of traveling after so many away games in a row.  Would love to be able to watch the tourney here in Dallas.   Just be happy you don't have to travel all the way to Mississippi :)
I think everyone is in agreement.

IMHO, UTD is the most neutral of the home courts.  There are plenty of fans from every school in the DFW area.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 06, 2011, 04:54:41 PM
Maybe more than UTD fans ;) .  Although I must say, there have been some pretty good showings in the past couple years. ETBU last weekend was pretty good attendance.  The National Tournament game against Wheaton had a great atmosphere.  So UTD can occasionally draw a few hundred fans (out of 15,000 students) to take a study break.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 07, 2011, 10:01:47 PM
TLU beats McM in Seguin, 66-55!

You really wonder which McMurry team will take the floor each night.

HSU swept TLU.  McMurry only edges the Bulldogs at home and loses badly on the road.

McM went 18-53 on FG, 3-14 3FG, and 16-26 on FTs!

We fall a full game behind UMHB!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on February 07, 2011, 11:52:37 PM
I sure was hoping that ETBU could have pulled out the East Division so that I could watch plenty of good basketball at one time but oh well UTD deserves it, they played great defense to beat ETBU Saturday.  Crazy to think it 2 games against UTD, ETBU had 40 turnovers combined and the 22 saturday were just killer, hard pillto swallow to lose by 3 with that many turnovers.  On the bright side, I thought that was a pretty great atmosphere for a Saturday game, normally Thursday night games are the most attended at ETBU
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 09, 2011, 06:00:13 PM
The Mississippi College - UT-Dallas basketball games scheduled for Thursday night in Richardson have been moved to Monday, February 14th at 5:30 p.m. and 7:30 p.m.  The Mississippi College bus hit the road this morning shortly after 9:30 a.m. headed West, got to Shreveport, and realized it was much too dangerous to take the players and coaches the rest of the way.  The bus headed back to Clinton and got back home around 4:30 p.m.  The interesting thing is, the UT-Dallas campus was closed for the second straight day.

The MC games set for Saturday at the Univ. of the Ozarks are still on schedule.  However, with the snow in Arkansas over the previous weeks, I would not consider that a sure thing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2011, 10:56:16 PM
McMurry 100 CTX 91

HSU 78 UMHB 59

Three-way tie for first McMurry, HSU and UMHB at 13-5.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2011, 10:19:04 PM
Hardin-Simmons                   13-5                CTX,  at SRSU,  at HPU
McMurry                             13-5                 UMHB  at HPU and at SRSU
Mary Hardin-Baylor               13-5                 at McMurry, Schreiner, TLU
Concordia (Texas)                11-7                 at HSU, TLU, Schreiner
TLU                                    9-9                 at SRSU, at CTX, at UMHB

Five teams for 4 slots.  East hosts.  (UT-Dallas hosts with 4 games to play and a 2-game lead over ETBU.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2011, 06:23:32 PM
at McM 65, UMHB 62
CTX 98, at HSU 91  CTX clinches a berth
at SRSU 65 TLU 60 TLU eliminated-- not available at this time

McMurry                             14-5                 at HPU and at SRSU
Hardin-Simmons                   13-6                CTX,  at SRSU,  at HPU
Mary Hardin-Baylor               13-6                 Schreiner, TLU
Concordia (Texas)                12-7                 at HSU, TLU, Schreiner


TLU                                    9-10                 at CTX, at UMHB

Five Four teams for 4 slots.  East hosts.  (UT-Dallas hosts with 4 games to play and a 2-game lead over ETBU.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on February 12, 2011, 07:46:49 PM
ETBU has a tough week as they lose 2 on the road and both by two points; @ UT Tyler and @ Letourneau (ouch)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2011, 08:32:13 PM
Texas-Dallas         13-4   17-5  MC, UTT, LeTU   (UTD has clinched the tourney host.)
ETBU                   11-7   14-8  at LeTU, LaColl and MissColl
Miss. College          9-8   12-10 at UTD, at ETBU, LaColl
La. College            9-8   10-11  at UOz, at ETBU, at MissColl
Texas-Tyler           9-8   10-12  at LeTU, at UTD at UOz

We may not know the seedings until Monday, Feb 21st.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 12, 2011, 10:52:11 PM
Wow thought it would come down to the last weekend.  Two surprising losses from ETBU.

Hopefully UTD can still come out and win the last 3 games to finish the season 20-4 in Division III to have a good shot at an at-Large bid if they are not able to win the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2011, 01:23:21 AM
Quote from: THE U - TD on February 12, 2011, 10:52:11 PM
Wow thought it would come down to the last weekend.  Two surprising losses from ETBU.

Hopefully UTD can still come out and win the last 3 games to finish the season 20-4 in Division III to have a good shot at an at-Large bid if they are not able to win the conference tournament.
Then 20-4 in-region plus 2-1 in the ASC tourney goes 22-5 in-region for a Pool C bid.

I think that UTD would look good there.

Trinity might sneak in as the SCAC Pool A bid, if they can get the right draw in the tourney.  (Birmingham-Southern is ineligible.)

Having 3 teams in this part of the country for a bracket would be nice.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 13, 2011, 03:51:17 AM
I'm not very familiar outside of the ASC this season.  I remember Trinity looked nothing last year like they did 2 years ago when UTD faced them in the tournament.

Also I think its important to note that the power in the ASC has shifted back to the West after the East had a couple of strong years.  The HSU, MCM, and UMHB trio seems a lot stronger than the top side of the East.  I was looking at the rankings on who UTD would face in the first round and I don't really like any of the possible first round match-ups, like years in the past. Concordia just has one of those styles that can be dangerous against anyone, especially not one you want to face in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2011, 08:34:28 AM
I think that you are correct about the relative strengths.

In fact, CTX might be the wrong match-up for UTD in the first round.  Most fans around the country don't understand that this is virtually a "play-in" tourney for the ASC.  We knock out a perfectly good team from the NCAA tourney with the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
The McMurry webpage and today's Abilene Reporter-News say that McMurry took an "outright lead" in the ASC West with yesterday's win over UMHB.  But the D3hoops standings at http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/ASC/men/2010-11/standings show McM, UMHB, and HSU all having a 13-6 conference record.  Which is it?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2011, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 13, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
The McMurry webpage and today's Abilene Reporter-News say that McMurry took an "outright lead" in the ASC West with yesterday's win over UMHB.  But the D3hoops standings at http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/ASC/men/2010-11/standings show McM, UMHB, and HSU all having a 13-6 conference record.  Which is it?
I think that the error occurred when the person who logged in the UOzarks game gave the win to UOzarks and not McMurry.

I have sent a couple of emails notifying PrestoSports.com of the error, but it has not been fixed yet.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2011, 05:49:39 PM
You're right!  D3Hoops is rewriting history, just like Stalin in the Soviet Union!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on February 13, 2011, 08:52:18 PM
I know it was early in the year when the East played the West...but ETBU went 6-2 against the West (5-1 before Christmas when they were easily playing their best ball) and beat UMHB and McMurry.  So I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that the power has shifted back to the West just yet (although it is definitely leaning in that direction of late).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2011, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: TxFight on February 13, 2011, 08:52:18 PM
I know it was early in the year when the East played the West...but ETBU went 6-2 against the West (5-1 before Christmas when they were easily playing their best ball) and beat UMHB and McMurry.  So I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that the power has shifted back to the West just yet (although it is definitely leaning in that direction of late).
You beat UMHB at home in the second weekend.

You beat McMurry at home in OT two weeks later.   ;)

I look forward to a relatively neutral court at UT-Dallas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2011, 01:19:50 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 13, 2011, 05:49:39 PM
You're right!  D3Hoops is rewriting history, just like Stalin in the Soviet Union!

Schools have the ability to change the scores, too. I've changed it but the schools always had the ability to log in.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on February 14, 2011, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2011, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: TxFight on February 13, 2011, 08:52:18 PM
I know it was early in the year when the East played the West...but ETBU went 6-2 against the West (5-1 before Christmas when they were easily playing their best ball) and beat UMHB and McMurry.  So I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that the power has shifted back to the West just yet (although it is definitely leaning in that direction of late).
You beat UMHB at home in the second weekend.

You beat McMurry at home in OT two weeks later.   ;)

I look forward to a relatively neutral court at UT-Dallas.

Ralph I think we're on the same page...thats what I was trying to hint at with the early in the year comment and the record before Christmas comment. 

ETBU is not playing their best ball right now, and the top West teams will be wanting a little revenge come tourney time (especially McMurry after lasts years first round bounce). 

ETBU desperately needs to win their last two ball games to right the ship a little bit heading into Dallas and the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2011, 04:42:20 PM
I think that the most exciting thing about the ASC tourney is the match-ups.

It almost seems that one can pick any of 5-6 winners depending on the way that you draw the initial bracket!   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 14, 2011, 11:47:32 PM
UTD won tonight against Mississippi on the Chris Webber play.  Mississippi tied it up with a 3 at 54 to 54 with 5 seconds left.  UTD's Brandon Greene tried to throw a full court pass from out of bounds that was intercepted, and the Mississippi player immediately called a timeout.  But they had no more timeouts.  Curtis Davis then knocked down the 2 technical free throws.  Mississippi got the ball back and got a shot up but it didn't go in.  Never seen that happen in person, gotta feel bad for the player that called timeout.  Big win for UTD's National Tournament chances and a big loss for Mississippi. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:31:30 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 18, 2011, 02:16:48 PM
Tournament Scenarios

East Division
1.  Texas-Dallas (19-5, 15-4 ASC) - Clinched #1 Seed (vs. LeTourneau, 02/19)
2.  East Texas Baptist (16-8, 12-7 ASC) - Clinched #2 Seed (vs. MC, 02/19)
T-3.  Louisiana College (11-12, 10-9 ASC) - Need win over Mississippi College to Clinch ASC Tournament berth (@ MC, 02/21)
T-3.  Texas-Tyler (11-13, 10-9 ASC) - Need win over Ozarks OR Need Mississippi College Win over Louisiana College to Clinch ASC Tournament Berth (@ Ozarks, 02/19)
5.  Mississippi College (12-11, 9-9 ASC) - Need Win over ETBU and loss by Texas-Tyler against Ozarks OR win over Louisiana College to Clinch ASC Tournament Berth (@ ETBU, 02/19; vs. LC, 02/21)
6.  Ozarks (6-18, 3-16 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
7.  LeTourneau (3-21, 2-17 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention

West Division
1.  McMurry (17-7, 15-5 ASC) - Clinched #1 Seed (@ SRSU, 02/19)
2.  Mary Hardin-Baylor (18-6, 14-6 ASC) - Clinched ASC Tournament Berth; Clinch #2 Seed with Win over Texas Lutheran (vs. TLU, 02/19)
3.  Hardin-Simmons (15-9, 14-6 ASC) - Clinched ASC Tournament Berth; Clinch #2 Seed with Win over Howard Payne AND UMHB loss against Texas Lutheran (@ HPU, 02/19)
4.  Concordia Texas (14-10, 12-8 ASC) - Clinched #4 Seed (vs. Schreiner, 02/19)
5.  Texas Lutheran (11-12, 10-10 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
6.  Sul Ross State (9-14, 8-12 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
7.  Schreiner (10-14, 8-12 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
8.  Howard Payne (5-19, 4-16 ASC) - Eliminated from ASC Tournament Contention
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 19, 2011, 06:10:40 PM
Congrats to McMurry!!!! ASC WEST CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!

What job by Coach Garnett in his first year.  Picked third in the West and we end up winning it.  Some ups and downs along the way, but kudos to McMurry.  Looking forward to next week!!!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:06:14 PM
As I understand it, Mississippi College was eliminated today.

I believe that this is the first time ever.

(Another sign of the end times...)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: DavidNichols on February 19, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
No, Ralph.  If MC beats Louisiana College on Monday night in Clinton, the Choctaws would go as the #4 seed from the East Division.  The two teams would be tied with 10-10 conference records and the tie-breaker would go to record against Division teams in descending order.  MC beat UT-Dallas back on January 20th, 79-68, while the Comets beat LC both times.  The winner of Monday night's game will get into the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 10:14:08 PM
Quote from: DavidNichols on February 19, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
No, Ralph.  If MC beats Louisiana College on Monday night in Clinton, the Choctaws would go as the #4 seed from the East Division.  The two teams would be tied with 10-10 conference records and the tie-breaker would go to record against Division teams in descending order.  MC beat UT-Dallas back on January 20th, 79-68, while the Comets beat LC both times.  The winner of Monday night's game will get into the tournament.
My bad!  Thanks.

Wow, McMurry fans!  Pick your poison.  MC or LaCollege!

Uhhhhh...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 20, 2011, 02:31:51 PM
Looking ahead to the weekend... It looks like

McMurry vs. LA/Miss
ETBU vs Hardin Simmons

UTD vs Concordia
Mary Hardin Baylor vs. Tyler

I think a Mississippi/McMurry match up will be an interesting first round game.  Mississippi certainly still has the talent.  I also think ETBU vs. Hardin Simmons will be a fun game to watch.  Of course anything can happen in the tourney... I'm excited.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 20, 2011, 06:29:20 PM
Wow. A potentail McM-MC matchup in the opening round of the tourney is like Duke playing North Carolina in the first round of the ACC tourney.

These two teams have had so many battles in the past that it will be strange to see them play in the first round.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 21, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
Wow looks like a close one in Mississippi...

Mississippi up 3 with 5:30 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 21, 2011, 10:47:37 PM
That was a good game to watch.  Congrats to Mississippi College on making it to the tournament.  Final 74-66 Mississippi. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on February 22, 2011, 10:21:56 PM
so with the tournament being set who do you think has the best shot at getting the bid?

Obviously I'm gonna be pulling for ETBU...but its going to be tough for them.  They definitely played their best ball on their home court, but lost to Hardin-Simmons on it early in the year.  Playing outside the friendly confines of Ornelas may be the biggest hurdle that they have to overcome. 

Either way there is going to be some good basketball this weekend, and there really isnt a clear front runner. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 23, 2011, 01:52:57 AM
I wouldn't be surprised seeing any of UTD, McMurry, or UMHB winning it. 

Then I have ETBU as the dark horse.  With the outside shots going to Hardin Simmons and Mississippi. 

I don't really see Tyler or Concordia as having much of a shot over the 3 game span. Not saying they couldn't do it, don't forget UTD back in 04/05 winning it all from the 4th seed when they barely got in the tournament. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
I cannot remember when I have gotten angrier at a basketball team than McMurry's "ugly-flop" at UT-Tyler.

It is like someone hit the "off-switch", or the team developed generalized ADD.

McMurry went ahead 41-21 with 14:48 left.

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/custompages/mbball/10-11/2010-06m.htm

It was 47-36 at 5:39, altho' I became incensed at the effort by the 10-minute mark after 8 consecutive missed shots and UTT had cut the lead to 41-28.  That is when I thought that McMurry would let UTT back into the game.

It was 47-38 at 5:37 left.  That was when the UTT crowd really got back into the game.  McMurry could only make a layup and a couple of FT's in the last 5 minutes.  UTT hits a FT with 0:32 left to tie the game at 51.

OT!  UTT outscores McMurry 23-5 in OT!

As I look back on the season, I see 5 McMurry losses that should not have happened.  Fortunately we are beginning the "second season", and the slate is clean.  Those 5 losses have virtually knocked McMurry out of Pool C contention.

So, it is "Win and play again.  Lose and go home!"
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 23, 2011, 03:17:56 PM
What's the biggest lead any team has blown this season to lose a game?  Does McMurry get the prize with that UTT game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:55:04 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
Today's Abilene Reporter-News says that HSU's Matt Addison was ejected from their last regular game and is suspended for the next one.  Since the next one is the first round of the tournament, that sounds pretty serious.  Does anyone know what happened?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 24, 2011, 11:41:18 PM
Good luck to McMurry in Friday's game aganist Mississippi College.  It has been an "up and down" year for coaches Garnet and Kemp this year.  Lots of new players to bring up to speed.  Some games the team was quite good and sometimes, not so good.  The team finished the year strongly, and with focus for their last four games.  Lets keep it up for three more games!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 25, 2011, 02:02:10 AM
Wow... That is interesting. Looks like he got thrown out in the last 7 seconds of the game. Played 38 minutes and had 38 points.

Excited for the tournament though!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 25, 2011, 07:55:07 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 24, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
Today's Abilene Reporter-News says that HSU's Matt Addison was ejected from their last regular game and is suspended for the next one.  Since the next one is the first round of the tournament, that sounds pretty serious.  Does anyone know what happened?

Even though the game was already over and subs should have been in his coach left him in so he could get 40 points.  He had at least 5 chances and because he kept missing or turning the ball over he apparently thought it was the refs fault so he had said a few things to them and got two quick technicals and thrown out.  It showed very little class on his part.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2011, 09:40:06 AM
Hmmm.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 25, 2011, 10:50:59 AM
That is disappointing. I was looking forward to watching that match up today.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
Wow!  McMurry 77, Mississippi College 69.

When was the last time the we beat MC twice in one season?

The wonderful thing about your beloved rivals is that they can get you to exceed your expectations and self-inposed limitations of how well you can perform.




Quote
...
The last time McMurry defeated Mississippi College in the tournament
was in the championship game in 2001. Two free throws by Cameron
Quinton with 12:40 remaining made sure McMurry never trailed again at
47-46. However, until the final seconds, McMurry was never
comfortable.
The Sweet 16 season of 2001?
The Elite 8 season of 2000?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2011, 05:23:41 PM
Now McM has to beat HSU three times in one season!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 25, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
I am nervous about this one!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2011, 10:18:10 PM
UTD has controlled the CTX game from the start.  They are leading by 18 with 4:00 left.

Final 85 CTX 70.

McM vs HSU

UMHB vs UTD
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 26, 2011, 12:24:07 AM
I could not believe HSU came back and won that game.  ETBU looked like the superior team the first 25 minutes and had a 16 point lead in the second half.  But then ETBU just fell apart on offense and all the credit to Hardin Simmons for fighting back.  Lots of big plays were made.  Great career for Josh Chambers. 

As for the UTD game,  I don't think the refs knew the goal-tending rule.  The first half there were 3 shots that were clearly goal-tending and the refs didn't call it.  Almost like they didn't know the rule changed a couple years ago.  I think the head of officiating went in and talked to them at halftime about it.  They made the correct call on the exact same play twice in the second half.

Also I saw the automatic intentional foul call enforced for the first time this season with the elbow to the face... but I didn't think it was applied correctly.  I mean i know the rule says any elbow to the face is an automatic intentional foul, but does that mean if I run into a guys elbow that it is an intentional foul?  Now that is not exactly what happened tonight, but in the play, Barnes did not swing his elbows at all and just threw an overhead pass.  The guy was just pressed up close to him.  It was weird to say the least. 

Looking forward to 2 great match ups tomorrow.

The Abilene Rivalry and I think UTD - UMHB has turned into a little bit of a rivalry the last few years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 26, 2011, 05:15:45 PM
McM advances to the ASC Final, with another great defensive effort.  Anyone know why Addison only played about 20 minutes?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2011, 05:25:16 PM
I was nervous, too.  McM beat HSU at home with Riddle out; and then HSU upset ETBU yesterday with Addison out.  So, with both Riddle and Addison in, I figured McM might have more to deal with than they expected.  Luckily, I was wrong.  Go Warhawks/Bison/Circuit Riders tomorrow!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 04:50:49 PM
McM 72, UMHB 65.

Congratulations to Coach Matt Garnett, first year coach for McMurry!

First ASC Championship for us since 2001! 

Wow! It has been a long drought!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2011, 04:53:51 PM
McM 72, UMHB 65!!!!
Which raises interesting questions.  Since none of the nationally-ranked teams made it to the championship, does UMHB get a Pool C bid and wind up playing McM all over again in the first sectional?  Or maybe, remembering what the NCAA did a few years ago when the McM women won the championship, a sectional with McM, UMHB, UTDallas, and, to add some sort of outside flavor, Trinity?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2011, 04:53:51 PM
McM 72, UMHB 65!!!!
Which raises interesting questions.  Since none of the nationally-ranked teams made it to the championship, does UMHB get a Pool C bid and wind up playing McM all over again in the first sectional?  Or maybe, remembering what the NCAA did a few years ago when the McM women won the championship, a sectional with McM, UMHB, UTDallas, and, to add some sort of outside flavor, Trinity?
In 2006, we had McMurry, HSU, HPU and Trinity women in a bracket in Abilene.

UTD may be in a better position to get a Pool C bid, but I think that UTD is on the bubble.

McMurry is probably flown somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 27, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
I think it is gonna be close.  I think we have a good shot though.  I hope we can continue our tournament streak.

Congratulations to McMurry.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 08:57:46 PM
Pat Coleman speculated that McMurry and UTD would play the a Thursday night game.

Who would deserve to host?

McMurry won the Pool A bid and beat UTD in the regular season.

UTD has had the higher regional rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 09:29:05 AM
That sounds about right: as a reward for winning the conference, you get to play another conference school...   :(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 09:29:05 AM
That sounds about right: as a reward for winning the conference, you get to play another conference school...   :(
The projection on the front page shows McMurry and UMHB playing on Thursday night in Abilene.

In that case, then UMHB jumped UTD by virtue of their wins in the head-to-head.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 11:54:48 AM
This is even dumber.  Your reward for beating another school is to replay the same school?  At least in 2006, the McMurry women played HSU in their sectional, which they had not played in the actual conference tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 11:54:48 AM
This is even dumber.  Your reward for beating another school is to replay the same school?  At least in 2006, the McMurry women played HSU in their sectional, which they had not played in the actual conference tournament.  

On Hoopsville last night, Pat Coleman asked the rhetorical question of the value of moving the D-III (by the ASC and the NWC) if we were not getting the appropriate treatment (not his specfific words) due to the geographical proximity (budget and plane flights) constraints that have been in D-III ever since we moved from the NAIA.

At least we don't have to contend with the bidding wars that used to exist about a gate guarantee in the NAIA.

The NCAA does pay for the playoffs, and we don't have to raise money to send the team to the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on February 28, 2011, 01:28:55 PM
the good news is, UMHB, UTD and McMurry...the bad news is....2 of them will be gone after the 2nd round considering UMHB and UTD play round 1 and McMurry gets the winner
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
Quote from: TxFight on February 28, 2011, 01:28:55 PM
the good news is, UMHB, UTD and McMurry...the bad news is....2 of them will be gone after the 2nd round considering UMHB and UTD play round 1 and McMurry gets the winner
For all of the times that the ASC has lost a "50-50" decision, this is a good one.  The cards fell just right for strong and regionally ranked UMHB and UTD to edge out Ferrum and EMU in the Regional Rankings, in turn, being on the table when Pool C bids were handed out.
Of course, if the West and East were 2 separate conferences, then this would just be playing your rival in the neighboring conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
I can't say it looks good to me.  It's a repeat of the conference tournament, with the same schools duking it out all over again.  If McM and UTD and UMHB are good enough to get into the playoffs, they should at least get a chance to take on some other school that they don't usually play.  Sure, you attempt the most economical travel arrangements, but it shouldn't be done by making the post-season look just like the regular season.  IMHO, there should be a rule preventing a school from being scheduled to play another school in the same conference in the first round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
I can't say it looks good to me.  It's a repeat of the conference tournament, with the same schools duking it out all over again.  If McM and UTD and UMHB are good enough to get into the playoffs, they should at least get a chance to take on some other school that they don't usually play.  Sure, you attempt the most economical travel arrangements, but it shouldn't be done by making the post-season look just like the regular season.  IMHO, there should be a rule preventing a school from being scheduled to play another school in the same conference in the first round of the playoffs.
They have the rule, but the "geopraphic proximity" trumps it. 

The NCAA doesn't want to pay for the plane flights.
If/when we are in D-II, there will be a different format for us.

In this case this may have allowed the NCAA to take 3 ASC teams instead of 2.  Just wondering if that is the case.

Now if the East and West were truly 2 different conferences with separate tourneys, then the UMHB-UTD game would be between teams from different conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
It sounds like a rather disingenuous way of making it look like three ASC teams got into the playoffs, whereas in reality it's just one.

I note the women's seedings: HPU is going to California, and Louisiana College to Iowa.  Travel expense doesn't seem to have been an issue here...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on February 28, 2011, 08:27:50 PM
Wow.  Never would have guessed we were going to have 3 teams.

They say its hard to beat a good team 3 times in one season... I hope UTD can continue the streak of winning a Tournament game and make it 3 years in a row..
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 28, 2011, 10:22:57 PM
This is like living on an island full of cannibals.  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
It sounds like a rather disingenuous way of making it look like three ASC teams got into the playoffs, whereas in reality it's just one.

I note the women's seedings: HPU is going to California, and Louisiana College to Iowa.  Travel expense doesn't seem to have been an issue here...

Here is my post from the Women's "Thank you NCAA tourney board".  This deals with the travel issues of the three pairs of "travel orphans".

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 05:30:13 PM
Reviving an old message board...

The committee had three pairs of travel orphans and did a good job of distributing them.

In southern California, Chapman and Oxy.
In the northwest, GFU and L&C.
In the ASC, HPU and Louisiana College.

You needed four flights, regardless, because we did not have  "geographic" byes to give.

Chapman (IND) hosts and will play Louisiana College (ASC).
The other game is George Fox (NWC) and Occidental (SCIAC).

The other orphans, Howard Payne (ASC) and Lewis and Clark (NWC) were sent to Coe (Iowa IAC).

HPU lost to Coe at the Holiday tourney at Concordia TX (CTX) in December.  If the HPU Lady Jackets can beat a tough L&C team, then they can get the rematch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 10:35:38 PM
There were more options in the D2 last season.  (64 bids for about 330 teams in D-2).

Tarleton St, Midwestern St from the Lone Star Conference, and Incarnate Word from the Heartland Conference got byes last season.  That is 2 AQ's and one at-large.  (No Oklahoma member of the Lone Star Conference earned a bid.)

(In D2, the only sports with AQ bids from conference winners are Volleyball, M&W Basketball, Baseball and Softball.  Football, M&W Soccer, M&W Tennis, M&W Golf do not.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2011, 12:20:15 AM
Back in 2001, McMurry got the Pool A bid and a bye. Mississippi College the Pool C bid.

Millsaps hosted the first round game and lost to Mississippi College on Thursday night.

MC got on the bus to play at McMurry on Saturday, where McMurry won.

McMurry then went to CNU and lost the William Paterson with the D3Player of the Year in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on March 01, 2011, 01:30:05 AM
I guess the good news is we'll have an ASC team representing in the 3rd round for the 3rd straight year~  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 02, 2011, 09:38:44 AM
Don't post very often on the basketball board too much but I had to share this quote from UMHB's Ken DeWeese in yesterdays Temple Daily Telegram about the great grouping made by the NCAA

"The (NCAA) stuff about providing a great experience for the student-athlete and all of that, it's good for marketing but it's not the truth in reality. And that regardless of sport, not just mine."

I know this quote echos what many of you have been saying and what we say as well during football playoff selections but I was happy to see Coach DeWeese make that quote. If D3 really wants to be all  about the student athelete they have to stop doing stuff like this.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 02, 2011, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
It sounds like a rather disingenuous way of making it look like three ASC teams got into the playoffs, whereas in reality it's just one.

I note the women's seedings: HPU is going to California, and Louisiana College to Iowa.  Travel expense doesn't seem to have been an issue here...

Actually it's just the opposite.  HPU to Iowa and LC to Calif.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2011, 11:33:26 AM
Those teams have to go somewhere. Once you have to put them in a plane, there's not much difference between the various options.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Jerry Bawcom on March 02, 2011, 12:55:27 PM
This is my first post on d3hoops.  I agree with others about the situation in Texas and the American Southwest Conference, where so many times we have to play each other again in post season play.  Don't know the solution though, when geography enters into the equation....
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2011, 01:34:18 PM
Quote from: Jerry Bawcom on March 02, 2011, 12:55:27 PM
This is my first post on d3hoops.  I agree with others about the situation in Texas and the American Southwest Conference, where so many times we have to play each other again in post season play.  Don't know the solution though, when geography enters into the equation....
Welcome to the boards, and the McMurry UMHB final was another classic.

Now that Mike Jones has moved upstairs, (and we see UMHB more often than UTD), UMHB has become the team to beat, especially in the West.  Seeing a team playing against a Coach DeWeese team is always fun!


My off-season plea for the 2011-12 season...

Here is my suggestion.  I know that Coach Snow and Coach Holmes have made this plea before.

We need the conference.  We also need the games against D3 opponents.

I would change the way that basketball does things by only counting the intra-division games twoards the division championship.

1)  It gives a team the chance to "jel".  New players can find their role in the first 10-12 games of the year.   Seeing a conference game in the second or third game of the season (occasionally in the season opener, too) is not fair and proportional scheduling.

2)  The season is not over when you have gone 1-6 in inter-division play.  The team gets a new start in the second half of the season.

3) The cross-over games are important for those teams who really have a chance to make the NCAA.  Yes they count towards regional rankings, etc.  If you are concerned about Regional Rankings those crossover losses will hurt your regionally, but the coach who is working in some freshmen will need to time to get the new players up to speed.

4)  Let's be honest.  In this coference, there is a difference in whether your schedule has UMHB/CTX and McM/HSU at home or on the road in crossover play!  The same might be said for the MissColl/LaColl and UTD/UOzarks road trips. Not counting those games towards the division championship is fairer.  The NCAA will deal with the OWP/OOWP of home and away for their calculations, and we need as many in-region games as possible.

Just my thoughts, and I would lobby to do it that way, were I the commissioner!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 02, 2011, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 02, 2011, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
It sounds like a rather disingenuous way of making it look like three ASC teams got into the playoffs, whereas in reality it's just one.

I note the women's seedings: HPU is going to California, and Louisiana College to Iowa.  Travel expense doesn't seem to have been an issue here...

Actually it's just the opposite.  HPU to Iowa and LC to Calif.


Oops, you're right — But that doesn't change my basic point.  Making the post-season for both the men and the women should be more than just playing the same teams all over again.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on March 02, 2011, 07:49:12 PM
I say the Division III Men's National Champions plays the Division I women's champion and the winner gets the TV rights the following year... Then we have all the funds we need and don't have to worry about geographic locations.  Its brilliant.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on March 02, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
the ASC just seems to get the shaft when it comes to D3 post-season play...With the exception of two years ago when UMHB and MC got in the football playoffs, if 2 ASC teams make it they wind up playing in football.  In basketball 2 of our 3 teams will be eliminated by a conference opponent.  In softball last year 4 ASC teams were in the same regional (with 5 total teams I believe, might have been 6).  Don't pay much attention to baseball or soccer so i can't vouch for them. 

It just isn't reward for the kids when your toughest conference opponent winds up being your first round opponent in the playoffs, when both of you could make a decent run otherwise.  Couldn't they atleast make it to where they would play in the regional finals or something. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 02, 2011, 10:20:47 PM
There aren't even that many players to pay expenses for compared to football.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 03, 2011, 05:47:20 PM
Just a message to let fans know we are providing audio / video for Saturday's round two game

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/3/MBB_0303114502.aspx (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/3/MBB_0303114502.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2011, 10:37:34 PM
UMHB 86, UT-Dallas 77
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 04, 2011, 01:38:23 AM
Official site for McMurry vs. UMHB Saturday at 7 p.m.

http://mcmurrysports.com/NCAA2011 (http://mcmurrysports.com/NCAA2011)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2011, 01:44:38 AM
You'd probably reach more people posting links on our scoreboard.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: THE U - TD on March 04, 2011, 03:12:17 AM
Congratulations to Brandon Greene, Wells Adams, and Curtis Davis on great careers.

Also Congratulations to Chris Barnes on being named ASC East Player of the year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on March 05, 2011, 08:39:58 PM
Trying to access the free video for UMHB/McMurry but it's telling me I need to pay...anybody know how to get the free feed?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on March 05, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
Cover 2,  I have tried to get the feed also.  Not sucessful.  Tried to get on by paying and end up with a game between McM and UMHB played several days ago
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2011, 09:59:29 PM
The feed became free with about 2 minutes left in the game.

My brother and I began notifying Sidearm Stats at 7pm that they had not "freed" up the game.  (I subscribe; he doesn't.)  I could get in, but I had a long buffering delay in the first half.

In my humble opinion the technical support at SidearmStats is the weak link.



The first half was another one of those ADD/ADHD performances by McM.

When we had the ball in the first possession of the game, we tried a little dinky (shall I say playground expletive) pass attempt into Jones, the big man, that UMHB stole.  That initial effort reminded me of the brainless portions of the UT-Tyler loss and the Louisiana College loss.  We dug ourselves too deep of a hole.

UMHB -- FG 17-28 in the first half, FG 7-21 in the second half and  6-13 on 3FG's.

Good luck UMHB!  Beat Augie!  I think that you have a good chance, but the CCIW is a tough conference.

Well, there is no urgency to get basketball jerseys with the new nickname on them now!   :-\



The reference to ADHD/ADD is medical, an effort without focus and showing frenetic unproductive activity.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: armywife on March 05, 2011, 10:54:10 PM
Hi Ralph. Next week's game is going to be fun to listen to and hard at the same time. I'm not sure who to root for. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2011, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: armywife on March 05, 2011, 10:54:10 PM
Hi Ralph. Next week's game is going to be fun to listen to and hard at the same time. I'm not sure who to root for. :)
I wish that you did not have that problem!  We would have gladly saved you the anguish, if the men's team had played more than 20 minutes. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: armywife on March 05, 2011, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2011, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: armywife on March 05, 2011, 10:54:10 PM
Hi Ralph. Next week's game is going to be fun to listen to and hard at the same time. I'm not sure who to root for. :)
I wish that you did not have that problem!  We would have gladly saved you the anguish, if the men's team had played more than 20 minutes. :-\

Sorry. I was being insensitive. I know it must have been really hard to have McMurray that close to going to the Sweet 16. I was amazed that they came back from 10 down to pull within a basket in the last few seconds. I was following the live stats from both games, and at one point both games had about 3:00 minutes to go. During that time, Augie tied Hope near with a few seconds left and went into overtime and played almost all of the 5 minute overtime to win. McMurray and UMHB took almost all of that same amount of time to finish up the game. I never saw 2 minutes pass that slowly in a basketball game before. It would have been a good game to watch.

I'm sorry again. McMurray did a great job winning the ASC conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 06, 2011, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2011, 09:59:29 PM
The feed became free with about 2 minutes left in the game.

My brother and I began notifying Sidearm Stats at 7pm that they had not "freed" up the game.  (I subscribe; he doesn't.)  I could get in, but I had a long buffering delay in the first half.

In my humble opinion the technical support at SidearmStats is the weak link.


If anyone on this board "paid" for the feed. It shouldn't have had to, in fact it would have been an NCAA violation to do so. We paid our streaming rights to the NCAA and set up a "free" game with them. McMurry had to pay $200 to make this happen in addition to the streaming / radio rights charge from the NCAA. Dr. Turner informed me, along with several others throughout the night that they were being charged. While this was out of my control, I do apologize for the inconvenience. SideArm's response was that people needed to "empty their cache." While this may be true, it should have been less difficult and I'm unhappy and disappointed it turned out that way for McMurry's / UMHB's / D3 fans.

If you were in fact charged, please email me at robarts.kyle@gmail.com along with support@sidearmsports.com - so I can know how many people were affected.

I was the official statistician tonight and I'm sorry I couldn't have been of more help.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2011, 12:26:40 AM
Specifically, I do not think that my brother was charged for the game.  He just could not get beyond the initial "sign on" screen.

One general problem that SidearmStats has is that their FAQ material is not helpful.  More than once in the last 2 years, the McMurry SID has gone above and beyond to help clear a problem that I think was mostly SidearmStats problem

Suggestions about emptying a "cache" and how to do it are not things that "non-geeks" think about.

Thanks for the explanation, mcm_sid!

 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 07, 2011, 06:56:49 PM
Per the game notes on the UST website, Friday's games will be a split session... so there shouldn't be any problem with tickets.

For your enjoyment and edification, links to the teams' stats:

UWSP (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/custompages/mbball/2010-11/teamcume.htm)

UST (http://tommiesports.com/mbb/stats/TEAMCUME.HTM)

Augie (http://www.augustana.edu/athletics/mbasketball/stats/2010-11/teamcume.htm)

MHB (http://cruathletics.com/custompages/mbasketball/201011/teamcume.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 11, 2011, 02:04:44 PM
McMurry is the War Hawks

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/11/GEN_0311111923.aspx (http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/3/11/GEN_0311111923.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 15, 2011, 04:14:28 PM
Congrats to the 4 ASC players

Men's All-South Region Team
Player of the Year: Derek Mitchell, Sr., Ferrum
Coach of the Year: Mitch Cole, Birmingham-Southern
Rookie of the Year: D.J. Woodmore, G, Virginia Wesleyan

First team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Austin Claunch Emory Jr. Cypress, Texas
G Matt Addison Hardin-Simmons Jr. Killeen, Texas
F Eryk Watson Maryville (Tenn.) Sr. Powder Springs, Ga.
F Derek Mitchell Ferrum Sr. Newport News, Va.
F Todd Phillips Eastern Mennonite Sr. Waynesboro, Va.


Second team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Brandon Irwin Howard Payne Jr. Thorndale, Texas
G Nick Rose Colorado College Sr. Lakewood, Colo.
F Chris Barnes Texas-Dallas Jr. San Antonio, Texas
F Harrison George Hampden-Sydney So. Raleigh, N.C.
F Todd Ward Oglethorpe Sr. New Milford, Conn.


Third team

Pos. Player School Yr. Hometown
G Matt Dougherty N.C. Wesleyan Jr. Ayden, N.C.
G Conley Taylor Christopher Newport Jr. Newport News, Va.
G Colton Hunt Randolph So. Buford, Ga.
F Danny Jones Randolph-Macon Sr. Herndon, Va.
C Josh Chambers East Texas Baptist Sr. Mexia, Texas
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2011, 08:26:51 PM
The All-Region teams are voted upon by the SID's in the Region.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on April 22, 2011, 10:01:56 AM
Howard Payne Signs Exclusive Deal With Adidas
http://www.hpusports.com/news/2011/4/21/Gen_0421112217.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2011, 11:49:29 PM
McMurry's Matt Garnett leaves after one season to return to his alma mater, Wayland Baptist.  Matt was groomed for the McMurry position, so we are looking at three years' work going out the door.  I was prepared for Matt to get an attractive offer from a D-1 after several successful years in D-III and then D-II, but not after a single season.  He gave me no clue when I spoke with him at graduation last weekend.

It is very late in the season to be building a new staff.  There was an incredible turnover in the team from 2009-10 to 10-11.  I imagine we will see the same in 11-12. Going to an NAIA-1 Scholarship school, I can imagine that a number of McMurry players might ask to follow him to WBU!

When you look at the stability that Coaches Kimbrell and Holmes provided us over the 50 years, you dare not take it for granted!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on May 23, 2011, 10:38:37 AM
Did the WBU job just become available, or has this been kept secret from the public for a while?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on May 23, 2011, 10:38:37 AM
Did the WBU job just become available, or has this been kept secret from the public for a while?
I knew nothing of it, but I'll bet that WBU kept that situation under wraps.

http://www.wbuathletics.com/article/914.php

Current head coach resigned to take the AD job at Oklahoma Baptist on May 17th.

McMurry alumnus and WBU AD Dr Greg Feris knew where to look.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on May 23, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
Terrible timing for the McMurry
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2011, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on May 23, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
Terrible timing for the McMurry
We have not had as "unfortunate of a turnover" in coaching since the plagues that unraveled the football team in early last decade.  An agonizing death to cancer is bad, but that is a random event.

My first thought is that this is not the hardest decision that Coach Garnett will have to make.

That one comes in about 5-6 years when he has to tell WBU that he has accepted either a high profile assistant or a head coaching job at a D-1.  Believe me, that day is coming. (That was the day that I was dreading.  I thought that the move to D-2 would have kept him busy for about 10 years at Kimbrell Arena.  IMHO, his timeline has just sped up a few years.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on June 01, 2011, 04:12:37 PM
McMurry just announced this morning that a new coach has been hired for the men's basketball team — the father of one of the current players!  Check out the official details at

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/6/1/MBB_0601110216.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 01, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KXv_FBqx1E&feature=player_embedded) of Coach Isler's press conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2011, 11:35:30 PM
HSU (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2011/07/d3hoops-classic-field-set) to compete in the D3Hoops.com Classic.

Congratulations and have a good time. Represent the ASC well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 30, 2011, 09:53:24 PM
Centenary (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect//ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2011/division+iii/diii+membership+application+fee+to+increase) has been approved to move to Year-2 (out of 4) re-classifying.

That is good news for the ASC.  Games against CC in 2012-13 should count as in-region, and they should be a full member in 2014-15.  If Centenary wants to add a football team, then that should help the conference as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2011, 10:25:06 PM
McMurry 99 UTT 74.  McM moves to 2-0 in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2011, 10:37:15 PM
McM 84 at UOzarks 73.  A good win on the road at a hard place to play.  NOw 5-0 on the season.

Play at UTD on Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: augie_superfan on December 01, 2011, 10:55:55 PM
Ralph, curious what you make of the huge Hardin-Simmons road win tonight at Texas-Dallas (80-58).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2011, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: augie_superfan on December 01, 2011, 10:55:55 PM
Ralph, curious what you make of the huge Hardin-Simmons road win tonight at Texas-Dallas (80-58).
Thanks for asking.

They are strong.  HSU was hot and Chris Barnes was cold.  It looks like Coach Butterfield doesn't have all of the pieces together for UTD, yet.  The Comets lost a lot of talent from last season.  IMHO, you beat UTD with athleticism.  UTD is almost as competitive on admissions as Trinity TX and more competitive than Southwestern. Coach Butterfield gets very smart, cerebral players who execute very well. 

McMurry catches UTD on Saturday and HSU goes to Ozarks, about 5 hours northeast of Dallas.

They play crosstown at McMurry on the 19th.  We will know by then.  Both teams might be undefeated for that game.

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Hardin-Simmons/Men/2011-12/index

I think that the winner of the HSU-McMurry game ought to be around #22-30, and the best team in the conference (for now UMHB) should be strong Top 20.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
So, now, Ralph, what do you make of what looks like a huge UTD win over McMurry?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 03, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
So, now, Ralph, what do you make of what looks like a huge UTD win over McMurry?
HSU had a great weekend.  I think that we will be in a real dogfight in the West.

I wonder if this team had their heads in an anatomically unusual position!  They were down by 20 with 4 minutes left.

This may be the early season humiliation that they need to get them focused.  It is probably better to have this game on the road to a UTD than to blow an early season game, pick the team and the recent year, that we have in the past few years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 04, 2011, 08:45:30 PM
I hope you're right about getting our guys focused.  The last few years, our men have done better than our women, but so far this year it looks like the roles may be reversed.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2011, 11:36:20 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on December 04, 2011, 08:45:30 PM
I hope you're right about getting our guys focused.  The last few years, our men have done better than our women, but so far this year it looks like the roles may be reversed.
That was the common theme on the coaches' interviews that are on the McMurry Sports Facebook page.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 10, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
They appear to be still working on it, and they need to get it right before we play a hot HSU team next Monday.  McM beat Centenary 98-88 this afternoon, but they never managed to put them away.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2011, 08:17:23 PM
It's been a long, long time since I've been around. Below are the current per-possession standings for both divisions. Hopefully I'll be able to update them every week. They can also be found here (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/point-differen...est-conference/), my blog (such as it is). I'm going to post the women's numbers over on that thread as well.

PPP - points per possession
Opp. PPP - opponents points per possession
Diff. - differential
Pace - possessions per game

ASC West
Team (W-L) - PPP/Opp. PPP/Diff./Pace
Hardin-Simmons (5-0) - 1.21/0.93/+0.29/72.2
McMurry (4-1) - 1.21/1.03/+0.18/73.6
Texas Lutheran (4-1) - 1.08/0.93/+0.16/73.0
Mary Hardin-Baylor (4-0) - 1.04/0.89/+0.15/77.0
Schreiner (3-2) - 1.06/1.02/+0.04/75.8
Concordia-Texas (2-2) - 1.01/1.01/+0.00/92.6
Sul Ross State (3-3) - 0.89/0.90/-0.01/64.5
Howard Payne (2-3) - 1.00/1.06/-0.06/72.5

Average - 1.06/0.97/+0.09/74.4

ASC East
Team (W-L) - PPP/Opp. PPP/Diff./Pace
Louisiana College (4-1) - 1.13/1.11/+0.02/72.1
Texas-Dallas (3-1) - 1.06/1.04/+0.02/67.3
Mississippi College (1-4) - 1.01/1.08/-0.07/71.2
East Texas Baptist (2-4) - 1.01/1.11/-0.10/77.6
Ozarks (0-6) - 0.98/1.11/-0.14/75.3
Texas-Tyler (1-5) - 0.92/1.07/-0.15/71.7
LeTourneau (0-5) - 0.80/1.01/-0.21/76.4

Average - 0.98/1.08/-0.10/73.4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 16, 2011, 11:26:57 AM
Rough and not very scientific projections for this weekend's games (and one result for comparison).
12/19 - Edited to add results through games of 12/17.

(Actual results in italics)

Mary Hardin-Baylor 79 vs. Mississippi College 71 (74 possessions)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 84 vs. Mississippi College 70 (73 possessions)
Ozarks 72 vs. Texas-Dallas 77 (71 possessions)
Ozarks 62 vs. Texas-Dallas 73 (68 possessions)
Texas-Tyler 71 vs. LeTourneau 69 (74 possessions)
Texas-Tyler 64 vs. LeTourneau 67 (66 possessions)
Texas Lutheran 78 vs. Schreiner 74 (74 possessions)
Texas Lutheran 65 vs. Schreiner 66 (66 possessions)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 80 vs. Louisiana College 75 (75 possessions)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 84 vs. Louisiana College 71 (72 possessions)
Howard Payne 65 vs. Sul Ross State 67 (69 possessions)
Howard Payne 77 vs. Sul Ross State 73 (73 possessions)
Concordia-Texas 86 vs. Mississippi College 83 (82 possessions)
Concordia-Texas 121 vs. Mississippi College 107 (100 possessions)
Concordia-Texas 87 vs. Louisiana College 88 (82 possessions)
McMurry 78 vs. Hardin-Simmons 82 (73 possessions)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2011, 10:19:43 AM
Okay CUAfan...

HSU 81, McMurry 78.  (It would have been 82, if the HSU player had hit the first firee throw with 0:13 left!)

How many possessions did you calculations project?

So far, you are looking pretty good with your computer program! :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 20, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
I estimate 79 possessions in the game. They got to the final score I thought they would, they just took a few more possessions because they weren't as efficient as I thought they'd be.

To finish the weekend, CTX and Louisiana College finished at 93-92 in 96 possessions. They weren't as efficient as I thought they'd be, and thanks to the CTX run-and-gun game they had more possessions too. CTX is going to break my method for projecting pace, I think.
________________________________________________________________

Top Performances
Best offensive performance: 1.21 PPP (CTX vs. MC, 12/17)
Best defensive perfomance: 0.91 PPP (UTD at UO, 12/16)
Biggest offensive shootout: CTX (1.21 PPP) vs. MC (1.07 PPP), 12/17
Biggest defensive struggle: CTX (0.97 PPP) vs. LC (0.96 PPP), 12/19
________________________________________________________________

In a minute I'm going to post updated per-possession standings here and on the women's board. Hopefully I'll be able to get out projections for men and women this week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 20, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
Per-Possession Standings, through games of 12/19

ASC West
Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) - 1.18/0.94/+0.24/73.3
Mary Hardin-Baylor (6-0) - 1.08/0.92/+0.16/75.4
McMurry (4-2) - 1.17/1.03/+0.15/74.5
Texas Lutheran (4-2) - 1.07/0.94/+0.13/71.9
Schreiner (4-2) - 1.05/1.01/+0.04/74.2
Concordia-Texas (4-2) - 1.04/1.01/+0.03/94.4
Howard Payne (4-3) - 1.04/1.04/+0.00/72.4
Sul Ross State (3-4) - 0.91/0.93/-0.02/65.7

ASC East
Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
Texas-Dallas (4-1) - 1.06/1.01/+0.05/67.5
Louisiana College (4-3) - 1.08/1.09/-0.01/75.5
Mississippi College (1-6) - 1.02/1.12/-0.10/75.5
East Texas Baptist (2-4) - 1.01/1.11/-0.10/77.6
Texas-Tyler (1-6) - 0.93/1.06/-0.14/70.9
Ozarks (0-7) - 0.97/1.11/-0.14/74.3
LeTourneau (1-6) - 0.85/1.03/-0.19/74.2
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 20, 2011, 01:42:04 PM
Only two games over the next week due to Christmas. The projections below include a home-court adjustment that wasn't present last week. I finally finished game-by-game calculations on the men's side, and it turns out that so far this year the home team has been +0.05 overall, and I'm going to include that home/away differential in my projections going forward by adding it to the home team's per-possession estimate.

Schreiner 77 vs. Texas-Dallas 73 (71 possessions)
Schreiner 80 vs. Texas-Dallas 74 (64 possessions)
Texas Lutheran 76 vs. Texas-Dallas 70 (70 possessions)
Texas Lutheran 49 vs. Texas-Dallas 61 (64 possessions)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 23, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
The per-possession standings didn't change at all with the two Texas-Dallas games this week. Since there won't be any more games for a while, I thought it would be a good time to call out some of the top team performances so far. Of course, me being me, this is all in per-possession terms.

Best Offensive Performances
1.39 - Mississippi College vs. Howard Payne (12/3)
1.34 - Texas-Dallas vs. McMurry (12/3)
1.31 - Hardin-Simmons vs. East Texas Baptist (12/10)

Best Defensive Performances
0.66 - Hardin-Simmons vs. LeTourneau (11/28)
0.73 - Texas-Tyler at Sul Ross State (12/8)
0.75 - Sul Ross State vs. LeTourneau (12/10)

Biggest Offensive Shootouts
Texas-Dallas (1.34) vs. McMurry (1.23), 12/3
Mississippi College (1.39) vs. Howard Payne (1.06), 12/3
Louisiana College (1.25) vs. Howard Payne (1.19), 12/1

Biggest Defensive Struggles
Sul Ross State (0.73) vs. Texas-Tyler (0.79), 12/8
Sul Ross State (0.83) vs. LeTourneau (0.75), 12/10
LeTourneau (0.78) vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor (0.90), 12/1

Most Dominating Wins
+0.47 - Hardin-Simmons (1.13) vs. LeTourneau (0.66), 11/28
+0.41 - Hardin-Simmons (1.31) vs. East Texas Baptist (0.90), 12/10
+0.34 - Mary Hardin-Baylor (1.16) at Texas-Tyler (0.81), 12/3

Closest Contests
+0.010 - Concordia-Texas (0.97) vs. Louisiana College (0.96)
+0.012 - Howard Payne (0.98) vs. Ozarks (0.96)
+0.015 - Texas Lutheran (0.98) vs. Schreiner (1.00)

I'm going to try to get the same info up on the womens' board today or tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 28, 2011, 11:17:44 PM
Projection for the one game this weekend.

Sul Ross State 70 vs. Howard Payne 68 (69 poss.)
Sul Ross State 60 vs. Howard Payne 54 (70 poss.)

I also have the team historical data compiled finally, except for 2000-01 and 1996-97 due to lack of data. Hopefully I'll be able to post some of it this week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 03, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
Sul Ross takes over the 7th spot in the West per-possession rankings with their win over HPU. I'm projecting a lot of wins for the West this weekend, but three games came out so close that I'm considering them to be toss-ups.

January 5, 2011
LeTourneau 68 vs. Texas Lutheran 75 (73 poss.)
LeTourneau 59 vs. Texas Lutheran 77 (74 poss.)
Mississippi College 80 vs. McMurry 86 (75 poss.)
Mississippi College 72 vs. McMurry 65 (77 poss.)
Ozarks 74 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 82 (75 poss.)
Ozarks 78 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 90 (68 poss.)
Louisiana College 79 vs. Hardin-Simmons 84 (74 poss.)
Louisiana College 64 vs. Hardin-Simmons 82 (74 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 79 vs. Howard Payne 79 (75 poss. - toss up)
East Texas Baptist 89 vs. Howard Payne 66 (84 poss. - not a toss up)
Texas-Tyler 74 vs. Schreiner 77 (72 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 86 vs. Schreiner 72 (77 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 87 vs. Concordia-Texas 82 (81 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 91 vs. Concordia-Texas 92 (84 poss. including OT)

January 7, 2011
East Texas Baptist 72 vs. Sul Ross State 72 (72 poss. - toss up)
East Texas Baptist 83 vs. Sul Ross State 75 (79 poss including OT)
Louisiana College 83 vs. McMurry 85 (75 poss.)
Louisiana College 64 vs. McMurry 75 (78 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 70 vs. Texas Lutheran 74 (71 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 81 vs. Texas Lutheran 72 (70 poss.)
LeTourneau 73 vs. Schreiner 77 (73 poss.)
LeTourneau 55 vs. Schreiner 69 (83 poss.)
Ozarks 87 vs. Concordia-Texas 90 (84 poss.)
Ozarks 107 vs. Concordia-Texas 98 (82 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 74 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 74 (71 poss. - toss up)
Texas-Dallas 56 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 64 (60 poss.)
Mississippi College 76 vs. Hardin-Simmons 85 (74 poss.)
Mississippi College 75 vs. Hardin-Simmons 82 (75 poss.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 04, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
Program rankings as of the 2010-11 season, regular season games only. Calculated by a weighted average of the last five seasons' per-possession differentials. Also included is my subjective estimation of the direction* the program was going before the season based on the inputs.

1. Texas-Dallas, +0.14, trending slightly up
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor, +0.11, trending slightly down
3. Mississippi College, +0.08, trending down
4. McMurry, +0.08, steady
5. East Texas Baptist, +0.06, trending up
6. Concordia-Texas, +0.03, trending slightly up
7. Texas-Tyler, +0.02, trending slightly up
8. Hardin-Simmons, +0.00, trending slightly down
9. Sul Ross State, -0.06, trending slightly up
10. LeTourneau, -0.07, trending down
11. Texas Lutheran, -0.07, trending slightly up
12. Ozarks, -0.08, steady
13. Louisiana College, -0.08, trending slightly up
14. Schreiner, -0.08, trending slightly up
15. Howard Payne, -0.09, trending slightly down

* - This doesn't mean it is going to continue in that direction, even this year. It just means that over the last five years, have they gone generally up or down.

I'm sorry if I annoy anyone with my continual numbers posting. I find this way of looking at the season and the history of the ASC interesting and I hope the rest of you do too.

Edit: Had to change some of the trends since I realized I'd done them wrong in Excel when I went to calculate this info for the women.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2012, 11:32:05 AM
Thanks for the posting CUAfan.  I enjoy reading them.

Big weekend with McMurry and HSU on the eastern swing thru LaCollege and MissCollege and UMHB and CTX on the road to UOz and UTD.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 08, 2012, 12:26:25 AM
Note to UMHB/HSU fans - These guys have to play twice! Go watch, should be great.
Note to ASC East - Who's going to step up?

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Hardin-Simmons (8-0) - 1.16/0.94/+0.22/73.6
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor (8-0) - 1.11/0.95/+0.16/72.6
3. McMurry (5-3) - 1.10/0.99/+0.11/75.3
4. Texas Lutheran (5-4) - 1.02/0.94/+0.08/71.6
5. Schreiner (6-3) - 1.03/1.00/+0.03/74.4
6. Concordia-Texas (5-3) - 1.06/1.05/+0.01/91.5
7. Sul Ross State (4-5) - 0.91/0.93/-0.02/67.6
8. Howard Payne (4-5) - 0.98/1.02/-0.04/73.4

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (5-4) - 1.04/1.02/+0.02/68.2
2. East Texas Baptist (4-4) - 1.02/1.05/-0.03/78.6
3. Louisiana College (4-5) - 1.03/1.08/-0.05/75.6
4. Texas-Tyler (3-6) - 0.97/1.04/-0.07/71.5
5. Mississippi College (2-7) - 1.01/1.08/-0.08/75.7
6. Ozarks (1-8) - 1.03/1.14/-0.11/74.5
7. LeTourneau (1-8) - 0.82/1.01/-0.19/75.1
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 08, 2012, 12:46:21 AM
Predictions for next week (out early since I'm going out of town tomorrow and Monday...and there are games on Monday).

January 9
Texas-Dallas 79 vs. Ozarks 72 (71 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 81 vs. Ozarks 58 (71 poss.)
LeTourneau 70 vs. Texas-Tyler 72 (73 poss.)
LeTourneau 62 vs. Texas-Tyler 61 (67 poss.)

January 10
Mary Hardin-Baylor 90 vs. Concordia-Texas 81 (82 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 94 vs. Concordia-Texas 73 (93 poss.)

January 12
East Texas Baptist 82 vs. Louisiana College 79 (77 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 86 vs. Louisiana College 62 (79 poss.)
Sul Ross State 66 vs. Hardin-Simmons 72 (71 poss.)
Sul Ross State 60 vs. Hardin-Simmons 57 (69 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 74 vs. Texas-Tyler 68 (70 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 73 vs. Texas-Tyler 38 (60 poss.)
Howard Payne 74 vs. McMurry 78 (74 poss.)
Howard Payne 94 vs. McMurry 90 (84 poss.)
Schreiner 74 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 76 (73 poss.)
Schreiner 60 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 80 (81 poss.)
Ozarks 77 vs. LeTourneau 72 (75 poss.)
Ozarks 82 vs. LeTourneau 73 (68 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 83 vs. Texas Lutheran 83 (82 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 103 vs. Texas Lutheran 82 (101 poss.)

January 14
Ozarks 77 vs. Texas-Tyler 76 (73 poss.)
Ozarks 71 vs. Texas-Tyler 72 (72 poss.)
Sul Ross State 69 vs. McMurry 71 (71 poss.)
Sul Ross State 63 vs. McMurry 68 (66 poss.)
Howard Payne 72 vs. Hardin-Simmons 79 (74 poss.)
Howard Payne 76 vs. Hardin-Simmons 85 (77 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 87 vs. Schreiner 85 (83 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 84 vs. Schreiner 86 (82 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 75 vs. Texas Lutheran 70 (72 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 74 vs. Texas Lutheran 53 (65 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 75 vs. LeTourneau 65 (72 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 84 vs. LeTourneau 62 (62 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 82 vs. Mississippi College 78 (77 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 78 vs. Mississippi College 71 (76 poss.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruFrenzy on January 11, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
Yesterday, UMHB defeated UT-Concordia 94-73, which was a good defensive performance for the Crusaders i think, considering the Tornadoes from Austin have only been held under 90 points 3 times this year, and have scored over 100 points 4 times this year already, and 121 against Mississippi College earlier this year. They are 4th in the nation as a team in scoring.


      But what i was really impressed with tonight was the play of WR/Power Forward Damian Davis!!! Apparently he is not only a Division 1 caliber football player, but basketball aswell, he played only 13 minutes,(less than anyone else on the team), scored 14, had 2 slam dunks, and was 2 for 2 from 3 point land. The No.8 in the nation crusaders may REALLY have something going now. WATCH OUT!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 12, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
Quote from: CruFrenzy on January 11, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
Yesterday, UMHB defeated UT-Concordia 94-73, which was a good defensive performance for the Crusaders i think, considering the Tornadoes from Austin have only been held under 90 points 3 times this year, and have scored over 100 points 4 times this year already, and 121 against Mississippi College earlier this year. They are 4th in the nation as a team in scoring.

You forget that CTX has only scored that much because they play at an insane pace. Well, in ASC terms, anyway. In the NBA they'd be about average. They're really rather average-ish offensively. Defensively too. We're not that great this year.

     
QuoteBut what i was really impressed with tonight was the play of WR/Power Forward Damian Davis!!! Apparently he is not only a Division 1 caliber football player, but basketball aswell, he played only 13 minutes,(less than anyone else on the team), scored 14, had 2 slam dunks, and was 2 for 2 from 3 point land. The No.8 in the nation crusaders may REALLY have something going now. WATCH OUT!!

Going now? They've had something going since conference play started, at the least. The bigger question is why HSU isn't ranked yet despite outplaying the Cru in conference play (going into the weekend). I wish I could make at least one of the HSU/UMHB games this year as they both should be really good games. That was a good line from Davis though, even if it might have been due in part to playing the relatively porous CTX defense.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruFrenzy on January 12, 2012, 10:03:27 PM
There is a video of the Davis dunking over a Concordia defender on cruathletics.com One of the more impressive dunks ive ever seen, if you look at the second view, Davis's foot is about a a foot and a half in front of the free throw line, and he still dunks OVER a defender. I knew he was athletic,(after watching him dominate in football for the cru this year), but i was very suprised to see him play THIS well in basketball. Hopefully it continues. He may be whats needed to push this team to the next level,(PAST THE SWEET SIXTEEN).

   But yes, referring to the HSU game, they really have me worried. Matt Addison is dangerous from everywhere, and they are beating teams worse than anyone else in the conference. But Marlon Miller is also dangerous from all over. So i guess we will see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on January 13, 2012, 12:26:05 AM
From the scoreboard Sul Ross 60 HSU 57.  Big upset!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 13, 2012, 09:14:56 AM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 12, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
Quote from: CruFrenzy on January 11, 2012, 07:35:48 PM
Yesterday, UMHB defeated UT-Concordia 94-73, which was a good defensive performance for the Crusaders i think, considering the Tornadoes from Austin have only been held under 90 points 3 times this year, and have scored over 100 points 4 times this year already, and 121 against Mississippi College earlier this year. They are 4th in the nation as a team in scoring.

You forget that CTX has only scored that much because they play at an insane pace. Well, in ASC terms, anyway. In the NBA they'd be about average. They're really rather average-ish offensively. Defensively too. We're not that great this year.

     
QuoteBut what i was really impressed with tonight was the play of WR/Power Forward Damian Davis!!! Apparently he is not only a Division 1 caliber football player, but basketball aswell, he played only 13 minutes,(less than anyone else on the team), scored 14, had 2 slam dunks, and was 2 for 2 from 3 point land. The No.8 in the nation crusaders may REALLY have something going now. WATCH OUT!!

Going now? They've had something going since conference play started, at the least. The bigger question is why HSU isn't ranked yet despite outplaying the Cru in conference play (going into the weekend). I wish I could make at least one of the HSU/UMHB games this year as they both should be really good games. That was a good line from Davis though, even if it might have been due in part to playing the relatively porous CTX defense.
I believe that the national voters who attended the D3hoops.com Classic in Las Vegas were able to get a good opinion of HSU in their games there, especially the loss to Gustavus Adolphus.

IMHO, the Las Vegas D3hoops.com Classic will become THE Holiday Tournament for D3.

It will showcase your team to the D3world as to whether your team is at the "next level", whatever that is.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 15, 2012, 08:36:46 PM
Top performances of the week:

Best Offense: 1.36, Texas-Dallas vs. LeTourneau, 1/14
Best Defense: 0.64, Texas-Dallas vs. Texas-Tyler, 1/12
Biggest Offensive Shootout: Ozarks (1.20) vs. LeTourneau (1.07), 1/12
Biggest Defensive Struggle: Sul Ross State (0.87) vs. Hardin-Simmons (0.83), 1/12
Most Dominating Victory: +0.59, Texas-Dallas (1.23) vs. Texas-Tyler (0.64), 1/12
Closest Contest: +0.01, LeTourneau (0.93) vs. Texas-Tyler (0.91), 1/9
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 15, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
Halfway through the conference slate, only Texas-Dallas, Hardin-Simmons, and Mary Hardin-Baylor look to be in real contention for the autobid. Though, of course, anything can happen on the court.

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (11-0) - 1.09/0.90/+0.19/74.5
2. Hardin-Simmons (9-1) - 1.12/0.93/+0.19/73.5
3. McMurry (6-4) - 1.09/1.00/+0.09/75.2
4. Texas Lutheran (5-6) - 0.98/0.97/+0.01/73.7
5. Concordia-Texas (6-5) - 1.03/1.02/+0.00/91.6
6. Schreiner (7-4) - 1.00/1.00/+0.00/75.6
7. Sul Ross State (5-6) - 0.91/0.93/-0.02/67.5
8. Howard Payne (5-6) - 0.99/1.03/-0.04/74.8

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (8-4) - 1.09/0.97/+0.12/67.1
2. East Texas Baptist (6-4) - 1.03/1.01/+0.02/78.4
3. Louisiana College (4-6) - 1.00/1.08/-0.08/76.0
4. Mississippi College (2-8) - 1.00/1.08/-0.08/75.7
5. Texas-Tyler (4-8) - 0.95/1.04/-0.09/70.1
6. Ozarks (2-10) - 1.02/1.13/-0.11/73.4
7. LeTourneau (2-10) - 0.86/1.04/-0.18/72.7

Centenary would be fifth at -0.08 if they were eligible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2012, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 15, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
Halfway through the conference slate, only Texas-Dallas, Hardin-Simmons, and Mary Hardin-Baylor look to be in real contention for the autobid. Though, of course, anything can happen on the court.

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (11-0) - 1.09/0.90/+0.19/74.5
2. Hardin-Simmons (9-1) - 1.12/0.93/+0.19/73.5
3. McMurry (6-4) - 1.09/1.00/+0.09/75.2
4. Texas Lutheran (5-6) - 0.98/0.97/+0.01/73.7
5. Concordia-Texas (6-5) - 1.03/1.02/+0.00/91.6
6. Schreiner (7-4) - 1.00/1.00/+0.00/75.6
7. Sul Ross State (5-6) - 0.91/0.93/-0.02/67.5
8. Howard Payne (5-6) - 0.99/1.03/-0.04/74.8

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (8-4) - 1.09/0.97/+0.12/67.1
2. East Texas Baptist (6-4) - 1.03/1.01/+0.02/78.4
3. Louisiana College (4-6) - 1.00/1.08/-0.08/76.0
4. Mississippi College (2-8) - 1.00/1.08/-0.08/75.7
5. Texas-Tyler (4-8) - 0.95/1.04/-0.09/70.1
6. Ozarks (2-10) - 1.02/1.13/-0.11/73.4
7. LeTourneau (2-10) - 0.86/1.04/-0.18/72.7

Centenary would be fifth at -0.08 if they were eligible.
McMurry has been a real Dr Jekyll-Mr Hyde this year. To erase an 11-point lead in the last 67 secs at HPU is one thing.  To put themselves in that position is another.

To stink up the first 27 minutes (down by 21) against HSU is one thing. To come back (lose by 3) is another!

To lose in Mississippi to a 2-8 Choctaw team is one thing.  Various spurts of brilliance in the season is another.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 16, 2012, 09:54:11 AM
Game-to-game variance is something I've been thinking of looking into lately, but it will probably have to wait for after the season since I will have to redesign part of my spreadsheet to do it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 18, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
Predictions for this Thursday and Saturday.

January 19
Texas-Tyler 75 vs. East Texas Baptist 75 (74 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 64 vs. East Texas Baptist 75 (69 poss.)
Louisiana College 81 vs. Ozarks 76 (75 poss.)
Louisiana College 77 vs. Ozarks 69 (77 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 77 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 73 (74 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 73 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 75 (75 poss. - OT)
Mississippi College 72 vs. Texas-Dallas 76 (71 poss.)
Mississippi College 57 vs. Texas-Dallas 76 (63 poss.)
Schreiner 71 vs. Sul Ross State 66 (72 poss.)
Schreiner 88 vs. Sul Ross State 72 (80 poss.)
McMurry 90 vs. Concordia-Texas 82 (83 poss.)
McMurry 111 vs. Concordia-Texas 79 (77 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 77 vs. Howard Payne 71 (74 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 78 vs. Howard Payne 75 (79 poss.)

January 21
LeTourneau 73 vs. East Texas Baptist 76 (76 poss.)
LeTourneau 55 vs. East Texas Baptist 65 (73 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 91 vs. Concordia-Texas 79 (83 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 75 vs. Concordia-Texas 92 (78 poss.)
Schreiner 78 vs. Howard Payne 73 (75 poss.)
Schreiner 72 vs. Howard Payne 86 (79 poss.)
Louisiana College 72 vs. Texas-Dallas 76 (72 poss.)
Louisiana College 44 vs. Texas-Dallas 56 (61 poss.)
McMurry 76 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 76 (75 poss.)
McMurry 75 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 71 (82 poss.)
Mississippi College 81 vs. Ozarks 76 (75 poss.)
Mississippi College 71 vs. Ozarks 77 (73 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 69 vs. Sul Ross State 64 (71 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 60 vs. Sul Ross State 57 (61 poss.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on January 19, 2012, 09:21:06 PM
Anybody know why Matt Addison is not playing tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2012, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: rimrocker on January 19, 2012, 09:21:06 PM
Anybody know why Matt Addison is not playing tonight?
No.

McMurry got a nice sweep tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2012, 11:56:07 PM
Quote from: rimrocker on January 19, 2012, 09:21:06 PM
Anybody know why Matt Addison is not playing tonight?
And UMHB goes to OT to beat HSU 75-73 in Abilene...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on January 20, 2012, 10:38:25 AM
Quote from: rimrocker on January 19, 2012, 09:21:06 PM
Anybody know why Matt Addison is not playing tonight?

Reporter News this morning said Coaches decision.  This will be interesting to watch as the season progresses. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 20, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2012, 11:56:07 PM
And UMHB goes to OT to beat HSU 75-73 in Abilene...

I just want to point out that when I run my numbers for that game, there's no "Addison didn't play" factor. :P

And yes, McMurry beat the ever-living tar out of Concordia last night. In both games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2012, 07:28:54 PM
Nice win for McMurry, 75-71 over UMHB in Abilene.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 21, 2012, 07:41:58 PM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.44, McMurry vs. Concordia-Texas, 1/19
Best Defense: 0.72, Texas-Dallas at Louisiana College, 1/21
Most Dominating Win: +0.42, McMurry vs. Concordia-Texas, 1/19
Closest Win: +0.03, Mary Hardin-Baylor at Hardin-Simmons, 1/19
Most Combined Offense: McMurry vs. Concordia-Texas, 1/19
Most Combined Defense: Louisiana College vs. Texas-Dallas, 1/21
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 21, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (12-1) - 1.06/0.90/+0.16/75.2
2. Hardin-Simmons (9-3) - 1.09/0.96/+0.13/74.0
3. McMurry (8-4) - 1.11/0.99/+0.12/76.0
4. Texas Lutheran (7-6) - 0.98/0.96/+0.02/73.1
5. Schreiner (8-5) - 1.00/1.00/+0.00/76.2
6. Concordia-Texas (7-6) - 1.04/1.05/-0.01/89.4
7. Howard Payne (6-7) - 1.00/1.02/-0.02/75.4
8. Sul Ross State (5-8) - 0.91/0.95/-0.03/67.9

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (10-4) - 1.09/0.95/+0.13/66.4
2. East Texas Baptist (8-4) - 1.02/0.98/+0.04/77.1
3. Louisiana College (5-7) - 0.98/1.05/-0.07/74.8
4. Ozarks (3-11) - 1.01/1.11/-0.09/73.6
5. Mississippi College (2-10) - 0.99/1.08/-0.09/74.5
6. Texas-Tyler (4-9) - 0.95/1.05/-0.10/70.0
7. LeTourneau (2-11) - 0.85/1.03/-0.18/72.7

Centenary is currently -0.03 against ASC foes, which would put them third in the East.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 23, 2012, 01:44:26 PM
Predictions for the week:

January 26
McMurry 82 vs. Schreiner 74 (76 poss.)
McMurry 115 vs. Schreiner 111 (91 poss. including OT)
LeTourneau 73 vs. Mississippi College 73 (74 poss.)
LeTourneau 61 vs. Mississippi College 78 (65 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 82 vs. Ozarks 74 (75 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 100 vs. Ozarks 85 (85 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 74 vs. Louisiana College 72 (72 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 70 vs. Louisiana College 75 (72 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 80 vs. Sul Ross State 76 (79 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 88 vs. Sul Ross State 57 (82 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 80 vs. Howard Payne 70 (75 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 83 vs. Howard Payne 62 (74 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 77 vs. Texas Lutheran 70 (74 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 74 vs. Texas Lutheran 68 (73 poss.)

January 28
Texas-Tyler 75 vs. Mississippi College 72 (72 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 58 vs. Mississippi College 57 (69 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 86 vs. Howard Payne 83 (82 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 110 vs. Howard Payne 94 (89 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 80 vs. Schreiner 72 (75 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 95 vs. Schreiner 92 (86 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 73 vs. Sul Ross State 64 (72 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 90 vs. Sul Ross State 56 (70 poss.)
LeTourneau 72 vs. Louisiana College 73 (74 poss.)
LeTourneau 57 vs. Louisiana College 56 (67 poss.)
McMurry 79 vs. Texas Lutheran 72 (75 poss.)
McMurry 64 vs. Texas Lutheran 67 (69 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 72 vs. Texas-Dallas 73 (72 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 93 vs. Texas-Dallas 95 (81 poss. including 2 OT periods)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 23, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
So long, Schreiner? (http://scacsports.com/news/schreiner_joins_scac)

So, with McMurry moving to D2 soon (I think I remember that) and Schreiner going to the SCAC (apparently, unless I misread the article), what will that do to the ASC alignment? With Centenary joining the East, that would be 6 West/8 East. Would one of the Dallas-area schools switch sides for a 7/7, or would the ASC go to a Big East-ish style schedule? Or nothing?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2012, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on January 23, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
So long, Schreiner? (http://scacsports.com/news/schreiner_joins_scac)

So, with McMurry moving to D2 soon (I think I remember that) and Schreiner going to the SCAC (apparently, unless I misread the article), what will that do to the ASC alignment? With Centenary joining the East, that would be 6 West/8 East. Would one of the Dallas-area schools switch sides for a 7/7, or would the ASC go to a Big East-ish style schedule? Or nothing?
Wow!  Schreiner gets to move to the SCAC! 
McMurry is going to D-2. Centenary is moving to the SCAC. I can imagine a 6West /7 East arrangement.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 24, 2012, 11:38:06 AM
Yeah, I found the Centenary-to-SCAC info last night afterwards but didn't get a chance to correct it due to work. Looks like 6W/7E starting in 2013-14.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TxFight on January 27, 2012, 12:34:42 AM
ETBU rolls over Ozarks 100-85: Division leading UT Dallas comes to town Saturday

Tigers have won 10 of last 11 overall and 8 straight at home
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 28, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
And that was a heck of a game! First double-OT game of the year in ASC play, if I'm not mistaken.

And I just want to point out, ETBU and UTD played 10 extra minutes of basketball and still played fewer possessions than CTX/HPU and HSU/Schreiner. Crazy.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 29, 2012, 09:37:26 AM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.29, Mary Hardin-Baylor vs. Sul Ross State, 1/28
Best Defense: 0.69, Concordia-Texas vs. Sul Ross State, 1/26
Most Dominating Win: +0.49, Mary Hardin-Baylor (1.29) vs. Sul Ross State (0.81), 1/28
Closest Win: +0.014, Texas-Tyler (0.84) vs. Mississippi College (0.83), 1/28*
Most Combined Offense: McMurry (1.27) vs. Schreiner (1.22), 1/26
Most Combined Defense: Texas-Tyler (0.84) vs. Mississippi College (0.83), 1/28

* - For those curious, LeTourneau was +0.015 against Louisiana College in their 1-point win, and Texas-Dallas was +0.025 in the double-overtime win at ETBU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2012, 10:55:08 AM
Jekyll and Hyde McMurry...again

On consecutive Saturdays, they beat #6 UMHB and lose to TLU.

ARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 29, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Just wait until Monday and see what they do (or don't do) to HSU!!  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 29, 2012, 08:45:27 PM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (14-1) - 1.08/0.89/+0.19/74.7
2. Hardin-Simmons (11-3) - 1.09/0.97/+0.12/74.8
3. McMurry (9-5) - 1.11/1.01/+0.10/76.5
4. Concordia-Texas (9-6) - 1.05/1.03/+0.03/88.9
5. Texas Lutheran (8-7) - 0.98/0.96/+0.01/72.8
6. Schreiner (8-7) - 1.03/1.03/+0.00/77.8
7. Howard Payne (6-9) - 0.99/1.04/-0.05/76.2
8. Sul Ross State (5-10) - 0.89/0.98/-0.09/69.0

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (11-4) - 1.09/0.97/+0.13/67.3
2. East Texas Baptist (9-5) - 1.04/1.00/+0.04/77.9
3. Louisiana College (6-8) - 0.98/1.03/-0.06/74.1
4. Mississippi College (3-11) - 0.99/1.06/-0.07/73.4
5. Texas-Tyler (5-10) - 0.94/1.03/-0.09/70.1
6. Ozarks (3-12) - 1.01/1.11/-0.10/74.3
7. LeTourneau (3-12) - 0.86/1.03/-0.17/71.8
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 29, 2012, 09:03:06 PM
Projections for the upcoming week:

January 30
Hardin-Simmons 81 vs. McMurry 77 (76 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 101 vs. McMurry 95 (83 poss.)

February 2
Texas Lutheran 74 vs. Hardin-Simmons 74 (74 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 56 vs. Hardin-Simmons 62 (71 poss.)
Ozarks 78 vs. East Texas Baptist 80 (76 poss.)
Ozarks 82 vs. East Texas Baptist 77 (80 poss.)
Mississippi College 75 vs. LeTourneau 68 (73 poss.)
Mississippi College 79 vs. LeTourneau 73 (73 poss.)
Schreiner 80 vs. McMurry 81 (77 poss.)
Schreiner 81 vs. McMurry 66 (80 poss.)
Louisiana College 74 vs. Texas-Tyler 69 (72 poss.)
Louisiana College 59 vs. Texas Tyler 70 (67 poss.)
Sul Ross State 78 vs. Concordia-Texas 78 (79 poss.)
Sul Ross State 86 vs. Concordia-Texas 94 (75 poss. including OT)
Howard Payne 73 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 78 (75 poss.)
Howard Payne 55 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 76 (75 poss.)

February 4
Howard Payne 85 vs. Concordia-Texas 85 (83 poss.)
Howard Payne 92 vs. Concordia-Texas 96 (82 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 76 vs. McMurry 76 (75 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 72 vs. McMurry 73 (79 poss.)
Louisiana College 75 vs. LeTourneau 67 (73 poss.)
Louisiana College 71 vs. LeTourneau 56 (74 poss.)
Schreiner 78 vs. Hardin-Simmons 79 (76 poss.)
Schreiner 81 vs. Hardin-Simmons 76 (76 poss.)
Sul Ross State 66 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 72 (72 poss.)
Sul Ross State 58 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 60 (60 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 78 vs. East Texas Baptist 71 (73 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 66 vs. East Texas Baptist 59 (62 poss.)
Mississippi College 74 vs. Texas-Tyler 70 (72 poss.)
Mississippi College 81 vs. Texas-Tyler 75 (77 poss.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2012, 12:02:18 AM
Is this a sign of the end times?

When was the last time that HSU swept McMurry in men's basketball?

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on January 31, 2012, 12:06:36 AM
2007-08

12/8/07 - HSU 76 at McMurry 71
1/21/08 - HSU 78 vs. McMurry 75 (OT)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 31, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
Today's Abilene Reporter-News points out that HSU actually holds the all-time record over McMurry, 43-41.  If McM had won last night, it would have been tied.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 03, 2012, 09:48:40 AM
McM drops another one last night at Schreiner.  I just can't put my finger on what is going on right now.  I have watched a couple of games this year and I scour the statistics for hints at what the issues are.  Anyone care to offer a theory? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 03, 2012, 10:49:06 AM
As far as the whole season, not yet. As far as last night goes, McMurry had a bad shooting night which led to their worst in-conference offensive night of the year. Combine that with a more-or-less average offensive night for Schreiner, and that's what happens.

After the season, I intend to work out week-to-week variance for everyone. I had been thinking CTX would be the most variable, but maybe it's really McMurry and they're just inconsistent?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2012, 06:30:59 PM
McMurry spotted TLU a 11 point lead at the half, 44-33.

McMurry's Connor Robinson makes one of 2 FT's with 0:02 left, 73-72.

TLU in-bounds under the McMurry basket...

TLU's Michael Flores missed a 3FG buzzer beater.



Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 04, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
Great defensive effort by McM in the second half.  That is what got them back into the game.  Offensively in the second half they got to the free throw line and took advantage of opportunities when they presented themselves.  Gutsy performance by Connor Robinson down the stretch especially hitting that free throw in the last seconds.  A big win in light of the Schreiner win over HSU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 05, 2012, 08:30:46 PM
Top Performances of the Week

Best Offense: 1.25, Concordia-Texas at Sul Ross State, 2/2
Best Defense: 0.74, Mary Hardin-Baylor at Howard Payne, 2/2
Biggest Win: +0.28, Mary Hardin-Baylor (1.02) at Howard Payne (0.74), 2/2
Closest Win: +0.01, McMurry (0.93) at Texas Lutheran (0.92), 2/4
Most Combined Offense: Sul Ross State (1.14) vs. Concordia-Texas (1.25), 2/2
Least Combined Offense: Texas Lutheran (0.79) vs. Hardin-Simmons (0.87)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 05, 2012, 08:37:52 PM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (16-1) - 1.07/0.89/+0.18/73.8
2. Hardin-Simmons (13-4) - 1.08/0.98/+0.10/75.1
3. McMurry (10-7) - 1.08/1.02/+0.07/77.2
4. Concordia-Texas (11-6) - 1.07/1.04/+0.03/87.7
5. Schreiner (10-7) - 1.03/1.01/+0.01/77.9
6. Texas Lutheran (8-9) - 0.96/0.96/+0.01/73.0
7. Howard Payne (6-11) - 0.99/1.05/-0.06/76.4
8. Sul Ross State (5-12) - 0.91/1.00/-0.09/68.9

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (12-4) - 1.09/0.97/+0.13/67.0
2. East Texas Baptist (9-7) - 1.03/1.00/+0.03/77.0
3. Louisiana College (7-9) - 0.97/1.02/-0.05/73.6
4. Mississippi College (5-11) - 1.00/1.05/-0.05/73.6
5. Texas-Tyler (6-11) - 0.95/1.02/-0.07/70.3
6. Ozarks (4-12) - 1.01/1.10/-0.09/74.7
7. LeTourneau (3-14) - 0.86/1.03/-0.17/72.0
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 07, 2012, 11:17:59 AM
Projections for the week:

February 9
East Texas Baptist 78 vs. Texas-Tyler 70 (74 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 73 vs. Texas-Tyler 62 (73 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 77 vs. Mississippi College 68 (70 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 72 vs. Mississippi College 67 (62 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 88 vs. McMurry 86 (82 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 99 vs. McMurry 109 (93 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 78 vs. Hardin-Simmons 72 (74 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 89 vs. Hardin-Simmons 80 (82 poss.)
Ozarks 77 vs. Louisiana College 75 (74 poss.)
Ozarks 83 vs. Louisiana College 64 (74 poss.)
Sul Ross State 72 vs. Schreiner 73 (73 poss.)
Sul Ross State 66 vs. Schreiner 63 (73 poss.)
Howard Payne 74 vs. Texas Lutheran 73 (75 poss.)
Howard Payne 60 vs. Texas Lutheran 62 (66 poss.)

February 11
East Texas Baptist 79 vs. LeTourneau 68 (75 poss.)
East Texas Baptist 87 vs. LeTourneau 83 (78 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 85 vs. Hardin-Simmons 84 (81 poss.)
Concordia-Texas 88 vs. Hardin-Simmons 92 (93 poss.)
Howard Payne 79 vs. Schreiner 78 (77 poss.)
Howard Payne 77 vs. Schreiner 74 (74 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 76 vs. Louisiana College 67 (70 poss.)
Texas-Dallas 94 vs. Louisiana College 65 (82 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 81 vs. McMurry 73 (75 poss.)
Mary Hardin-Baylor 90 vs. McMurry 87 (77 poss.)
Ozarks 78 vs. Mississippi College 76 (74 poss.)
Ozarks 83 vs. Mississippi College 86 (76 poss.)
Sul Ross State 68 vs. Texas Lutheran 68 (71 poss.)
Sul Ross State 62 vs. Texas Lutheran 54 (60 poss.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 07, 2012, 12:06:14 PM
Bonus this week! Conference season-to-date rankings for Dean Oliver's Four Factors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/factors.html) (see link for details). For free throw rate, I also multiply the result by 100 since I think the numbers look better that way. Today, the offensive numbers. Tomorrow, defense.

Effective FG%
1. Texas-Dallas, 0.548
2. Mississippi College, 0.524
3. Hardin-Simmons, 0.519
4. Concordia-Texas, 0.518
5. East Texas Baptist, 0.516
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 0.506
7. Texas Lutheran, 0.499
8. Ozarks, 0.485
9. Schreiner, 0.479
10. McMurry, 0.474
11. Louisiana College, 0.466
12. Sul Ross State, 0.463
13. Howard Payne, 0.463
14. Texas-Tyler, 0.458
15. LeTourneau, 0.420

Turnover Rate
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 20.3%
2. Louisiana College, 20.7%
3. Howard Payne, 21.9%
4. Schreiner, 22.2%
5. Hardin-Simmons, 22.5%
6. Concordia-Texas, 22.9%
7. McMurry, 23.2%
8. Texas-Dallas, 24.0%
9. Texas-Tyler, 24.1%
10. Ozarks, 24.3%
11. East Texas Baptist, 24.3%
12. LeTourneau, 24.9%
13. Mississippi College, 25.9%
14. Texas Lutheran, 26.3%
15. Sul Ross State, 30.6%

Offensive Rebound Rate
1. McMurry, 46.7%
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 36.1%
3. Hardin-Simmons, 34.9%
4. Schreiner, 33.8%
5. Mississippi College, 33.5%
6. East Texas Baptist, 33.2%
7. Concordia-Texas, 33.1%
8. Ozarks, 32.8%
9. Texas-Tyler, 32.7%
10. Sul Ross State, 32.4%
11. Texas-Dallas, 31.9%
12. Howard Payne, 31.5%
13. LeTourneau, 30.7%
14. Texas Lutheran, 29.4%
15. Louisiana College, 28.5%

Free Throw Rate
1. Sul Ross State, 40.2
2. Schreiner, 34.9
3. Ozarks, 32.6
4. Texas-Dallas, 31.4
5. Texas Lutheran, 29.6
6. Howard Payne, 28.8
7. Hardin-Simmons, 27.6
8. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 27.2
9. Mississippi College, 26.8
10. Texas-Tyler, 26.7
11. Concordia-Texas, 26.7
12. McMurry, 26.2
13. East Texas Baptist, 22.9
14. LeTourneau, 22.2
15. Louisiana College, 21.4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 08, 2012, 05:30:24 PM
As promised, the defensive numbers to go with yesterday's offensive stats. One deviation from the yesterday's link is that I calculate free throw rate differently for defense. Since the offensive goal is to get to the line and score, using FTM makes sense. However, since the defensive goal is to keep the opponent from getting to the line in the first place (and the defense has little to no control over whether or not a FT is missed), I use FTA in the calculations for defensive free throw rate.

Effective FG%
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 0.436
2. Texas-Dallas, 0.465
3. Texas-Tyler, 0.469
4. Hardin-Simmons, 0.472
5. East Texas Baptist, 0.475
6. Louisiana College, 0.477
7. Texas Lutheran, 0.483
8. Sul Ross State, 0.488
9. McMurry, 0.492
10. Mississippi College, 0.494
11. Schreiner, 0.502
12. Howard Payne, 0.517
13. Concordia-Texas, 0.518
14. LeTourneau, 0.522
15. Ozarks, 0.522

Turnover Rate
1. Texas Lutheran, 30.0%
2. Concordia-Texas, 28.5%
3. Schreiner, 25.5%
4. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 25.3%
5. Louisiana College, 24.5%
6. LeTourneau, 24.1%
7. Howard Payne, 23.9%
8. Sul Ross State, 23.7%
9. McMurry, 23.6%
10. Hardin-Simmons, 23.3%
11. East Texas Baptist, 21.7%
12. Texas-Dallas, 21.6%
13. Mississippi College, 20.8%
14. Ozarks, 20.0%
15. Texas-Tyler, 19.1%

Offensive Rebound Rate
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 30.2%
2. McMurry, 30.6%
3. Texas-Dallas, 31.5%
4. Schreiner, 31.8%
5. Texas-Tyler, 31.9%
6. Hardin-Simmons, 32.3%
7. Sul Ross State, 33.1%
8. Ozarks, 33.1%
9. LeTourneau, 33.2%
10. East Texas Baptist, 33.5%
11. Mississippi College, 33.7%
12. Texas Lutheran, 33.8%
13. Howard Payne, 35.8%
14. Louisiana College, 39.6%
15. Concordia-Texas, 40.6%

Free Throw Rate
1. Texas-Dallas, 26.8
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 29.6
3. Mississippi College, 30.0
4. Ozarks, 33.9
5. Louisiana College, 35.6
6. LeTourneau, 36.4
7. East Texas Baptist, 37.2
8. Sul Ross State, 39.5
9. Howard Payne, 39.5
10. Texas-Tyler, 40.6
11. Hardin-Simmons, 43.1
12. Schreiner, 45.0
13. McMurry, 49.7
14. Texas Lutheran, 60.7
15. Concordia-Texas, 66.4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2012, 11:15:38 PM
McMurry 109, CTX 99. McMurry wins the season series with CTX so this helps with tie-breakers for 3rd and 4th place.

A must win game tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 06:58:05 PM
If anyone want to tune in, Coach Ken DeWeese from Mary Hardin-Baylor will be on Hoopsville tonight!

Show starts at 7:00 PM EST and Coach DeWeese is schedule for the second hour of the show.

Tune in at www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).

You can email questions to hoopsville@d3hoops.com
Follow us on Twitter: @d3hoopsvill (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville)e or #hoopsville
And on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
In case you missed Hoopsville, tonight, and Coach DeWeese on the show, the archive is already available: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12)

Coach DeWeese appears around 1:40 or so into the show.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2012, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
In case you missed Hoopsville, tonight, and Coach DeWeese on the show, the archive is already available: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2011-12/feb12)

Coach DeWeese appears around 1:40 or so into the show.

Enjoy!
Thanks.  Will try to get to it tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 13, 2012, 09:44:48 AM
Updated Rankings

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor (18-1) - 1.08/0.91/+0.17/74.4
2. Hardin-Simmons (14-5) - 1.07/0.98/+0.09/76.4
3. McMurry (11-8) - 1.09/1.03/+0.06/78.0
4. Concordia-Texas (11-8) - 1.06/1.04/+0.02/88.2
5. Schreiner (10-9) - 1.02/1.01/+0.01/77.4
6. Texas Lutheran (9-10) - 0.96/0.96/+0.00/72.0
7. Howard Payne (7-12) - 0.98/1.04/-0.06/75.8
8. Sul Ross State (7-12) - 0.91/0.98/-0.07/68.6

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (14-4) - 1.10/0.96/+0.14/67.5
2. East Texas Baptist (11-7) - 1.04/1.00/+0.04/76.9
3. Mississippi College (6-12) - 1.01/1.06/-0.04/73.1
4. Ozarks (5-13) - 1.02/1.09/-0.07/74.7
5. Louisiana College (7-11) - 0.95/1.03/-0.08/74.1
6. Texas-Tyler (6-12) - 0.94/1.02/-0.08/70.5
7. LeTourneau (3-15) - 0.87/1.03/-0.16/72.4
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 13, 2012, 10:30:58 AM
Projections for the upcoming weekend + Monday

February 16
Hardin-Simmons 76 vs. Sul Ross State 67 (73 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 94 vs. Sul Ross State 74 (74 poss.)
Louisiana College 76 vs. East Texas Baptist 76 (76 poss.) [fractional favorite - ETBU]
Louisiana College 83 vs. East Texas Baptist 80 (74 poss.)
LeTourneau 74 vs. Ozarks 74 (74 poss.) [fractional favorite - LETU]
LeTourneau 63 vs. Ozarks 74 (71 poss.)
McMurry 84 vs. Howard Payne 75 (77 poss.)
McMurry 101 vs. Howard Payne 89 (84 poss.)
Schreiner 75 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 77 (76 poss.) [projected w/ SU at home by mistake]
Mary Hardin-Baylor 79 vs. Schreiner 74 (73 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 82 vs. Concordia-Texas 79 (80 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 85 vs. Concordia-Texas 80 (88 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 68 vs. Texas-Dallas 72 (69 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 54 vs. Texas-Dallas 64 (61 poss.)

February 18
Hardin-Simmons 82 vs. Howard Payne 73 (76 poss.)
Hardin-Simmons 82 vs. Howard Payne 70 (87 poss.)
LeTourneau 66 vs. Texas-Dallas 73 (70 poss.)
LeTourneau 62 vs. Texas-Dallas 74 (67 poss.)
Mississippi College 77 vs. East Texas Baptist 77 (75 poss.) [fractional favorite - MC]
Mississippi College 88 vs. East Texas Baptist 66 (75 poss.)
McMurry 78 vs. Sul Ross State 69 (73 poss.)
McMurry 85 vs. Sul Ross State 75 (76 poss.)
Schreiner 87 vs. Concordia-Texas 84 (83 poss.)
Schreiner 90 vs. Concordia-Texas 76 (88 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 70 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 73 (73 poss.)
Texas Lutheran 53 vs. Mary Hardin-Baylor 60 (71 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 76 vs. Ozarks 72 (73 poss.)
Texas-Tyler 89 vs. Ozarks 80 (85 poss.)

February 20
Louisiana College 76 vs. Mississippi College 73 (74 poss.)

If all those winners hold true (which is highly unlikely) and I understand the tiebreakers right, the tournament field will shake out as follows:
West:
1 - Mary Hardin-Baylor (20-1)
2 - Hardin-Simmons (16-5)
3 - McMurry (13-8)
4 - Schreiner (11-10), by virtue of season sweep of CTX

East:
1 - Texas-Dallas (16-4)
2 - East Texas Baptist (12-8)
3 - Louisiana College (8-12)
4 - Mississippi College (7-13), by virtue of tiebreaker over Texas-Tyler*

* - MC & UTT split the season series and both go 0-2 against UTD, but MC splits with ETBU while UTT goes 0-2. Therefore, MC gets the fourth seed.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2012, 03:38:38 PM
If UMHB sweeps the season, then I think that they will host a second round game, just like McMurry did last season.

The tourney will have a few byes to give, and there will be geographic travel-orphans.

UMHB is the #1 ranked team in the South. I think that they get the bye in round #1, a home game in round #2 and then flown somewhere as in 2011.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruFrenzy on February 13, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Ralph, why wouldn't UMHB get to host more than just until the second round? If they are the No.1 team in their fourth of the bracket doesn't that mean they could host until the final 4? Or is it different in basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2012, 08:33:00 PM
Quote from: CruFrenzy on February 13, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Ralph, why wouldn't UMHB get to host more than just until the second round? If they are the No.1 team in their fourth of the bracket doesn't that mean they could host until the final 4? Or is it different in basketball?
In the round of 16, it is easier to fly UMHB to somewhere and bus 2 other teams into the host than to fly 3 teams to Belton...

one plane flight instead of three!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruFrenzy on February 13, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
So they don't take Regional Ranking into consideration?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
Good interview with Coach DeWeese on Hoopsville.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2012, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: CruFrenzy on February 13, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
So they don't take Regional Ranking into consideration?
Yes they will be there will be 8 #1 teams in the Regional Rankings and only 4 sites for the Sweet 16.

They can find another #1 seed without the geographical proximity issues that we have in the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2012, 11:04:43 PM
Ralph is right - being on a geographical "island" is the curse of Texas, northwest, California, and other teams. UMHB certainly have a chance at hosting... but it could be tough to convince the NCAA to pay for three flights to Texas... versus one flight to fly UMHB to another site.

That being said, I think there was a lot of frustration last year when Whitworth was basically given no chance to host in the Northwest (which has been done once before in recent history, but there were other factors in play like one of the other teams being considered not being allowed to host because their women's team had that right)... so, I wouldn't be surprised to see a team like UMHB being given a chance this year. I think there has been enough frustration being voiced about teams like Whitworth automatically being given the short stick that there could be further discussions and compromise given now or in the near future - especially if UMHB presents a tough argument per their schedule, SOS, results, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 14, 2012, 10:38:24 AM
Has any work been done to see what impact home-court advantage is having on Sweet 16 results? It seems to me that whoever has HCA is going to naturally win more often than on a true neutral court, which would mean that in choosing host sites for the Sweet 16 the NCAA is making a decision with potentially huge impact on the subsequent results. Not deciding the Final 4, necessarily, but penalizing a team like UMHB with a tourney road game due to the almighty dollar.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2012, 01:18:42 PM
Last year two of the Final Four teams had hosted the previous weekend, two had not. I can't recall a year recently in which all four advanced.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2012, 01:24:38 PM
Agree with Pat... I don't think the Final Four has ever had all four teams from host schools make it in recent memory.

While that decision may have hurt a Texas school a few years ago when they had to travel to Virginia Wesleyan... but they also may have been affected by the triple overtime game right before them... delaying the start of their game by maybe an hour. :-)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 16, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
Any thoughts on TLU leaving the ASC?  How does this change the East/West dynamic if at all?  And, the travel partners set up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 16, 2012, 11:34:44 PM
What? I know SU is leaving, but I hadn't read anything about TLU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 11:42:08 PM
http://www.d3sports.com
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 17, 2012, 10:04:16 AM
Thanks for the link, Pat. If I'm remembering right, won't that leave 12 teams once McMurry moves up to D2 in a 5/7 split? Either an East team (ETBU or UTD?) would have to switch or they'd have to go to a full double-round-robin, right?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2012, 12:44:59 PM
I will bet that UTD gets moved west.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 17, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
On the bright side, a 16-game league schedule leaves more games for non-conference matchups to boost regional rankings (assuming I'm understanding the concept correctly).

Maybe CTX will finally start playing Southwestern regularly. I cannot understand why they don't play every year in everything, given that travel costs are essentially nonexistent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 17, 2012, 05:14:39 PM
I would prefer the double round robin.  True champion that way.

If UTD moves to the West, it just got even tougher than it already is!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 17, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
So would I, personally, but that would be 22 conference games, leaving even less opportunity for non-conference play as it is.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2012, 06:21:40 PM
Final division standings for the season. Tournament projections to follow sometime later today, and team-by-team profiles for the tournament teams sometime after that will be posted on my blog (I'll link here when they're up). Before too terribly long I'll have some player stuff ready.

ASC West
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor* (20-1) - 1.05/0.89/+0.16/75.3
2. Hardin-Simmons* (16-5) - 1.05/0.95/+0.10/78.1
3. McMurry* (13-8) - 1.07/1.00/+0.07/79.7
4. Schreiner* (11-10) - 0.99/0.98/+0.01/79.1
5. Concordia-Texas (11-10) - 1.02/1.01/+0.01/89.4
6. Texas Lutheran (10-11) - 0.93/0.93/+0.00/74.5
7. Howard Payne (7-14) - 0.96/1.02/-0.06/78.3
8. Sul Ross State (7-14) - 0.90/0.98/-0.08/70.1

ASC East
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas* (16-4) - 1.08/0.94/+0.14/67.2
2. East Texas Baptist* (11-10) - 1.01/0.99/+0.02/75.7
3. Mississippi College* (7-13) - 0.99/1.03/-0.04/74.1
4. Louisiana College* (9-11) - 0.95/1.01/-0.05/75.3
5. Ozarks (6-14) - 1.00/1.06/-0.06/76.2
6. Texas-Tyler (7-13) - 0.93/1.00/-0.07/72.3
7. LeTourneau (3-17) - 0.86/1.02/-0.16/72.5

* - Made ASC Tournament
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
Projections for the entire tournament. Only UMHB gets home-court advantage in the projections.

Quarterfinals
E1 Texas-Dallas 75 vs. W4 Schreiner 71 (73 poss.)
E1 Texas-Dallas 80 vs. W4 Schreiner 55 (67 poss.)
W2 Hardin-Simmons 79 vs. E3 Louisiana College 73 (77 poss.)
W2 Hardin-Simmons 110 vs. E3 Louisiana College 100 (82 poss.)
E2 East Texas Baptist 78 vs. W3 McMurry 80 (78 poss.)
E2 East Texas Baptist 75 vs. W3 McMurry 100 (89 poss.)
W1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 79 vs. E4 Mississippi College 68 (75 poss.)
W1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 75 vs. E4 Mississippi College 63 (75 poss.)

Semifinals
E1 Texas-Dallas 74 vs. W2 Hardin-Simmons 72 (73 poss.)
E1 Texas-Dallas 63 vs. W2 Hardin-Simmons 64 (63 poss.)
W1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 81 vs. W3 McMurry 74 (77 poss.)
W1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 69 vs. W3 McMurry 77 (69 poss.)

Final
W1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 72 vs. E1 Texas-Dallas 68 (71 poss.)
W2 Hardin-Simmons 81 vs. W3 McMurry 80 (79 poss.)
W2 Hardin-Simmons 81 vs. W3 McMurry 86 (78 poss. - including OT)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 21, 2012, 07:47:59 PM
The profiles  (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/asc-mens-basketball-tournament-profiles/)are up! Feel free to comment on the blog or here.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on February 22, 2012, 10:22:25 AM
I think Schreiner has the potential to upset UTD in the first round.  Could be only the teams from the West still playing after the first day.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
HSU 64, UTD 63.

Another win by HSU over a regionally ranked team, but I think that their only chance is to win the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
McMurry 77 UMHB 69.

McMurry's final ASC men's (conference) basketball game will be against HSU.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2012, 07:29:31 PM
HSU has got to be happy about this: I'm sure they didn't want to play UMHB on their home court after losing twice to them in the regular season.  Now, they get to play for the conference championship against McM, a team they've beaten twice, on a neutral court.  But will three be the charm for McM????
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 25, 2012, 07:29:31 PM
HSU has got to be happy about this: I'm sure they didn't want to play UMHB on their home court after losing twice to them in the regular season.  Now, they get to play for the conference championship against McM, a team they've beaten twice, on a neutral court.  But will three be the charm for McM????
It is very hard to defeat a team 3 times in a season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2012, 08:21:12 PM
I watched the streaming video of the games at LC and the announcers did interviews after the games with the players and coaches.  But after the McM-UMHB game, the announcers just said good-bye and there was nothing left but silent video of the stands, which they apparently forgot to turn off.  Did they have interviews after the previous games at UMHB, or did they end the broadcast that abruptly for all the games?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 25, 2012, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
HSU 64, UTD 63.

Another win by HSU over a regionally ranked team, but I think that their only chance is to win the ASC.

I'm none too familiar with the whole selection process in D3, but it seems to me that the ASC is only likely to get the HSU/MCM winner plus Mary Hardin-Baylor into the tournament, but not all three.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 10:22:56 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 25, 2012, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
HSU 64, UTD 63.

Another win by HSU over a regionally ranked team, but I think that their only chance is to win the ASC.

I'm none too familiar with the whole selection process in D3, but it seems to me that the ASC is only likely to get the HSU/MCM winner plus Mary Hardin-Baylor into the tournament, but not all three.
This year, I think that you are right.  Getting 2 in this year will be a good think. I don't think that HSU or UTD would have earned an at large bid otherwise.

I will bet that UMHB hosts a first round game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 10:22:56 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on February 25, 2012, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
HSU 64, UTD 63.

Another win by HSU over a regionally ranked team, but I think that their only chance is to win the ASC.

I'm none too familiar with the whole selection process in D3, but it seems to me that the ASC is only likely to get the HSU/MCM winner plus Mary Hardin-Baylor into the tournament, but not all three.
This year, I think that you are right.  Getting 2 in this year will be a good think. I don't think that HSU or UTD would have earned an at large bid otherwise.

I will bet that UMHB hosts a first round game.

Would you think UMHB host the winner of HSU/McM in the first round?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 02:36:32 PM
With Trinity winning the SCAC, I now think that UMHB hosts the Saturday game.

I think that Trinity might go to HSU and McMurry might go to Trinity, just looking at the ranking criteria.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 26, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
I think you're right Ralph.  I thought there might be a chance for 3 ASC teams to make a Texas sub bracket before Trinity won their bid.  Now that they've won it the sub bracket happens by default and includes the SCAC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2012, 04:36:26 PM
HSU and McM are tied at 65. Less than 5 minutes left.

3:38 left; Tied at 68.


Going to OT. Tied at 73.


Final McMurry 86, HSU 81.

We only beat HSU once this season, but as my Alabama acquaintances reminded me, you really want to win the last game you play against an opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2012, 05:29:17 PM
And now, as per past NCAA experience, McMurry will probably get to play UMHB again, just like last year...   :-X
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 26, 2012, 06:46:04 PM
Congratulations to McMurry on making good on being the preseason #1 in the West with a conference title and NCAA bid!

Top Performances in the Tournament

Best Offense: 1.34, Hardin-Simmons vs. Louisiana College, 2/24
Best Defense: 0.82, Texas-Dallas vs. Schreiner, 2/24
Biggest Win: +0.37, Texas-Dallas (1.19) vs. Schreiner (0.82), 2/24
Closest Win: +0.02, Hardin-Simmons (1.02) vs. Texas-Dallas (1.00), 2/25
Most Offense: Hardin-Simmons (1.34) vs. Louisiana College (1.21), 2/24
Least Offense: Mary Hardin-Baylor (1.00) vs. Mississippi College (0.84), 2/24
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2012, 08:41:18 PM
An interesting exercise in statistics: the team that won the conference didn't score in any of your categories!  Do you need some other category to cover whatever McM did to win out?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2012, 10:56:06 PM
Quote from: cover2 on February 26, 2012, 04:06:58 PM
I think you're right Ralph.  I thought there might be a chance for 3 ASC teams to make a Texas sub bracket before Trinity won their bid.  Now that they've won it the sub bracket happens by default and includes the SCAC.
Maybe like the 2005-6 season, when the McM women won the conference and then got a sectional which looked like a repeat of the conference tournament?  That would have McM hosting UMHB, HSU, and Trinity.  Think how much travel money that would save the NCAA!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 26, 2012, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 26, 2012, 08:41:18 PM
An interesting exercise in statistics: the team that won the conference didn't score in any of your categories!  Do you need some other category to cover whatever McM did to win out?

McMurry's ASC Tournament Margins
2/24: +0.28, McMurry (1.13), East Texas Baptist (0.85)
2/25: +0.12, McMurry (1.12), Mary Hardin-Baylor (1.00)
2/26: +0.06, McMurry (1.10), Hardin-Simmons (1.04)

McMurry was absurdly consistent (and very good) offensively. That tends to help. I don't think they really got worse on defense as much as they faced a series of increasingly better offenses.

McMurry Tourney Opponent Offenses
ETBU: Season, 1.01; Game, 0.85; -15.8%
UMHB: Season, 1.05; Game, 1.00; -4.8%
HSU: Season, 1.05; Game 1.04; -1.0%
MCM: Season, 1.07; Tourney 1.12; +4.7%

So, they played very good to average defense, and managed to consistently improve upon the second-best offense in the conference over three games. Now, the downside of this is that nobody is that consistent over an extended period, so McMurry is "due" for a relatively poor offensive game, meaning back down to the 1.02-1.05 range. Which can still win, it's just harder.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
Thanks!  I love your analysis, especially your point about consistency.  This was McM's problem all year — beating good teams and then collapsing with poor ones.  If we revert to form in the playoffs, as you note, we won't be in the game for long. But at least we got the championship.

Incidentally, congratulations on your CUA women.  They came out of nowhere and took it all.  (Don't forget that two of your players are former McM students, who transferred when Coach Rainbolt got the job with you!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2012, 11:06:35 AM
Interesting parallel between the ASC and the SCAC ... both regular-season champions (teams with best record) had but two losses, both to the same team (19-8 McMurry and 18-9 Centre, respectively).   The difference is that there's no question that 25-2 UMHB will get a pool C; with the SCAC being so much weaker overall, 25-2 Birmingham-Southern is by all accounts on the bubble.  Had Centre won the SCAC tourney, they would have even had the same record as McM ...

Hoping for a good game between UMHB and Trinity, which is what Pat and company project in the first round.  TU's reeled off 11 in a row after a 9-8 start; they're a young team with some size but keeping up with the Cru on their home floor is going to be a monumental challenge. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on February 27, 2012, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
Thanks!  I love your analysis, especially your point about consistency.  This was McM's problem all year — beating good teams and then collapsing with poor ones.  If we revert to form in the playoffs, as you note, we won't be in the game for long. But at least we got the championship.

Incidentally, congratulations on your CUA women.  They came out of nowhere and took it all.  (Don't forget that two of your players are former McM students, who transferred when Coach Rainbolt got the job with you!)

Flags fly forever!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 27, 2012, 12:13:43 PM
Bracket is out:  UMHB hosts Trinity with McMurry and Whitworth on the other side.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 27, 2012, 12:41:38 PM
A very interesting pod.  Trinity will give UMHB a game and the coaching match up between these two is interesting.  In the other game can McM keep their momentum rolling against what looks like a good Whitworth team?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 12:53:19 PM
D3hoops has Whitworth ranked #10 in the nation, and UMHB was #5 until McM beat them.  Trinity and McM may have won their respective conferences, but both obviously have their work cut out for them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 01:06:14 PM
Well, see you guys in a week...  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 27, 2012, 02:07:01 PM
509Rat...tell us about Whitworth.  Obviously, we can see their profile but give us some insider views.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 03:39:06 PM
Whitworth is a very disciplined team that likes to play in the half court. They are pretty deep which should allow them to match up with a smaller McMurry lineup, or a team that uses a more traditional lineup with a true post. Defensively they'll play a man as long as they can/think it's advantageous. Offensively, they shoot the ball very well from the outside, just over 40% as a team on the season. Anyone, outside of Friedt (6-8 243) is a threat to shoot at any given time. That being said, they would prefer to work down low to Friedt, make you collapse, and then kick out to open shooters. They are generally patient in that regard.

Felix Friedt hasn't really had any competition in the NWC this season. Led the league in rebounds and shoots 58% from the field (132-227). He is a true post player who hits 82% of his FT's. If the game is close at the end you need to abandon conventional wisdom and NOT foul him.

Idris Lasisi (6-2 200) is the most athletically gifted player on the team. He has been on a tear as of late. In the last 5 games he has scored 24, 27, 12 (Friedt had 29), 27, and 19. He was originally supposed to go to TCU but they had eligibility issues being he is from Germany, so this is his 1st and only year at Whitworth. He and Gebbers are very active defensively and on the offensive end he gets to the basket with ease in the NWC. I would expect the McMurry defenders to slow him down some compared to what we've seen in our conference.

Wade Gebbers is the starting PG and shoots 44% from 3. He is better than his brother who started on last year's team. Hasn't scored a ton of points this year but hasn't had to. Nothing about his measurables will "wow" you but he's a very good player.

Mack Larkin will most likely be in the starting lineup for defensive reasons. He'll take shots when he's open but mostly looking to get the ball to everyone else on offense. However, he knows his role and usually takes high percentage shots because of it which of course benefits Whitworth. Dustin McConnell will probably start as well given McMurry's size. Plays a lot like Gebbers. Good shooter, not gonna "wow" you athletically but plays well in the system and has been a lot better about handling the ball as the season has progressed.

Loofburrow is a 6-7 3 point specialist who usually comes off the bench within the first 5 minutes of the game. He can (and SHOULD) go down to the post more often, due to the fact that most teams can't afford to put another big body on him with Friedt on the court. But, he tends to hang around the 3 point line, hitting 43% on the season. He will launch shots up with someone right in his face, mostly because at 6-7 he can...

Colton McCargar is another guard in Gebbers and McConnell's mold. He seems to be a little streakier with his shooting but has been able to come off the bench and maintain leads. He is shooting 48% from 3 but that is only on 52 attempts.

Michael Taylor is a lanky 6-8. He will come off the bench to give Felix a break. He's gotten better as the season's worn on, but he isn't nearly as physical or aggressive as Friedt. A guy like Steven Jones would push him around, even though he's giving up at least 5 inches of height.

The only NWC team that has had success against Whiworth (really in the last 2 years) is Whitman. The biggest difference in those games were the number of FT's Whitman shot. They got to the lane and drew fouls. This year in Whitworth's lone conference loss, Whitman shot 34 FT's to Whitworth's 21. Whitworth wasn't at full strength and they really rely on getting those 8 guys significant minutes, which also helped Whitman's cause.

There are a couple more Whitworth posters who are more knowledgeable than I. I'll have them come over  :)

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2012, 03:52:50 PM
UMHB hosts Trinity at 7:30 Friday. 

http://cruathletics.com/news/2012/2/27/MBB_0227120615.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2012, 04:18:04 PM
My concern is whether the referees allow us to play our usual very physical style of defense.

We run into problems when referees employ "Naismithian" guidelines for contact, i.e., handchecking,etc.

Whitworth is incredibly good from beyond the arc. (Think of a bunch of Matt Addison's who are 4 inches taller.)
I think that this a "5 vs 12 game" in the minds of the committee, and we are the "12".
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 27, 2012, 04:35:15 PM
A 12 always beats a 5 in the big dance.  This may bode well for McMurry!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 27, 2012, 04:43:06 PM
Thanks for the breakdown 509rat...always nice to have a fan's POV when the playoffs roll around. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2012, 04:18:04 PM
My concern is whether the referees allow us to play our usual very physical style of defense.

We run into problems when referees employ "Naismithian" guidelines for contact, i.e., handchecking,etc.

That will be interesting. NWC officials have been very inconsistent this year IMO. Even from 1 half to another. 1 game will be called real tight in the first half (Felix usually thrives as he isn't quite as aggressive on the defensive end outside of rebounding), and then nothing gets called in the 2nd.

UPS, Whitman, and PLU tend to be more physical in terms of handchecking. Especially UPS. So Whitworth has dealt with it, but I would feel safe saying more often than not you don't get that in your face half court pressure in the NWC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 27, 2012, 06:09:15 PM
Bottom line is that Whitworth is a very good team. With that being said, the only team (and I'm by no means an expert) that could come out of this pod and be a complete shock to me would be Trinity. Whitworth v McMurry and the winner vs UMHB should be great games.

I still would have preferred a 1st round bye...  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: playball on February 27, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Dont listen to Rat, he doesn't know much about Whitworth basketball ;)

Good synopsis Rat.  Like Buc said in the other message board, I would like to see how Felix does when he can't push around his opponent like he has been able to do the last couple years.  The fact that WW has this sectional in Texas is bogus though.  I would even go as far as to say that all these teams at that site have gotten the short end of the stick this year.  Does the selection committee ever explain their reasoning?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2012, 07:16:25 PM
Quote from: playball on February 27, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Dont listen to Rat, he doesn't know much about Whitworth basketball ;)

Good synopsis Rat.  Like Buc said in the other message board, I would like to see how Felix does when he can't push around his opponent like he has been able to do the last couple years.  The fact that WW has this sectional in Texas is bogus though.  I would even go as far as to say that all these teams at that site have gotten the short end of the stick this year.  Does the selection committee ever explain their reasoning?

Lordy, as many times as Texas teams get shipped all over the country no matter their seeding, we can certainly understand how you feel coming here.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Our complaint, at least in the ASC, is that the post-season generally seeds our teams with the same teams that they just played in the conference tournament.  So, all the tournament really determines is whether anyone will beat the conference leader to get an at-large bid.  Last year, McMurry won the conference but UMHB and UT Dallas also got bids.  In the post-season, UMHB got to play UT Dallas (again) and then McMurry (again).  This year is a little better, since at least McM and UMHB don't play each other in the first round.  It seems to me if a team is good enough to make it to the post season, it should be able to play someone new right away, and not the same-old-same-old (which saves the NCAA $$ in transportation costs).  In fairness to the NCAA, our women's teams got a much better break this year: one goes to the Northwest, the other to the Midwest; they don't have to play each other (again) in Texas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: A Buc Forever on February 28, 2012, 12:05:55 AM
Whitworth Alum and Fan here. Rat gave you as good of a run down as you can get on the team.  My only addition is that I think Gebbers is underrated.  Runs the show. Tough competitor.  The heart and soul of the team. You'll enjoy watching him.  The thing you'll notice about Whitworth basketball is that the players are fundamentally sound.  They won't wow you with spectacular plays, but they'll be efficient.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: playball on February 28, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Our complaint, at least in the ASC, is that the post-season generally seeds our teams with the same teams that they just played in the conference tournament.  So, all the tournament really determines is whether anyone will beat the conference leader to get an at-large bid.  Last year, McMurry won the conference but UMHB and UT Dallas also got bids.  In the post-season, UMHB got to play UT Dallas (again) and then McMurry (again).  This year is a little better, since at least McM and UMHB don't play each other in the first round.  It seems to me if a team is good enough to make it to the post season, it should be able to play someone new right away, and not the same-old-same-old (which saves the NCAA $$ in transportation costs).  In fairness to the NCAA, our women's teams got a much better break this year: one goes to the Northwest, the other to the Midwest; they don't have to play each other (again) in Texas.

While that is rough, be thankful that you get 2 teams in the tourny!  We get hosed generally in the NWC.  There are too many NAIA schools, not enough D.3 schools in our neck of the woods!   However, I don't want this post to make this discussion into who has it worse.  What I really would like to know is if the NCAA actively recruits schools into membership or not.  I think if they did this and upped the amount of teams out west (the real west, not Wisconsin which is near the center of the country) that we would all get better recognition as a whole region. 

As for Buc's comments on Gebbers, he is right on the money.  The kid averages 3 threes a game while shooting in the mid 40's%.  Very smart player and orchestrates this team to a t.  It will take a lot to dismiss this Whitworth team from this years tournament.  And while I think last years team was overall better, this team brings a lot to the table as well.  And Im not saying this as a WW fan, I hate them.  Played against them for 4 years, never liked them.  But I have to respect how they play and go about their business.  Should be a fun one this year
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2012, 12:39:41 AM
Quote from: playball on February 28, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Our complaint, at least in the ASC, is that the post-season generally seeds our teams with the same teams that they just played in the conference tournament.  So, all the tournament really determines is whether anyone will beat the conference leader to get an at-large bid.  Last year, McMurry won the conference but UMHB and UT Dallas also got bids.  In the post-season, UMHB got to play UT Dallas (again) and then McMurry (again).  This year is a little better, since at least McM and UMHB don't play each other in the first round.  It seems to me if a team is good enough to make it to the post season, it should be able to play someone new right away, and not the same-old-same-old (which saves the NCAA $$ in transportation costs).  In fairness to the NCAA, our women's teams got a much better break this year: one goes to the Northwest, the other to the Midwest; they don't have to play each other (again) in Texas.

While that is rough, be thankful that you get 2 teams in the tourny!  We get hosed generally in the NWC.  There are too many NAIA schools, not enough D.3 schools in our neck of the woods!   However, I don't want this post to make this discussion into who has it worse.  What I really would like to know is if the NCAA actively recruits schools into membership or not.  I think if they did this and upped the amount of teams out west (the real west, not Wisconsin which is near the center of the country) that we would all get better recognition as a whole region. 

As for Buc's comments on Gebbers, he is right on the money.  The kid averages 3 threes a game while shooting in the mid 40's%.  Very smart player and orchestrates this team to a t.  It will take a lot to dismiss this Whitworth team from this years tournament.  And while I think last years team was overall better, this team brings a lot to the table as well.  And Im not saying this as a WW fan, I hate them.  Played against them for 4 years, never liked them.  But I have to respect how they play and go about their business.  Should be a fun one this year
I have never heard of the NCAA recruiting schools.  Any recruiting might occur by individual conferences that need to fill deficiencies as we have seen in the shuffles over the last 5-7 years.

Look at the NAIA schools in the Northwest...

what advantage is there for those schools to move to the NCAA?  The NWC is not likely to invite them to join.  (Remember how Menlo was treated. Football only and nothing more.)

The entire Cascade Collegiate Conference would need to move, and that is a hard process.  We have not seen that since the NWC and ASC made the move to D-III in the mid 1990's.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: playball on February 28, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2012, 12:39:41 AM
Quote from: playball on February 28, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 27, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Our complaint, at least in the ASC, is that the post-season generally seeds our teams with the same teams that they just played in the conference tournament.  So, all the tournament really determines is whether anyone will beat the conference leader to get an at-large bid.  Last year, McMurry won the conference but UMHB and UT Dallas also got bids.  In the post-season, UMHB got to play UT Dallas (again) and then McMurry (again).  This year is a little better, since at least McM and UMHB don't play each other in the first round.  It seems to me if a team is good enough to make it to the post season, it should be able to play someone new right away, and not the same-old-same-old (which saves the NCAA $$ in transportation costs).  In fairness to the NCAA, our women's teams got a much better break this year: one goes to the Northwest, the other to the Midwest; they don't have to play each other (again) in Texas.

While that is rough, be thankful that you get 2 teams in the tourny!  We get hosed generally in the NWC.  There are too many NAIA schools, not enough D.3 schools in our neck of the woods!   However, I don't want this post to make this discussion into who has it worse.  What I really would like to know is if the NCAA actively recruits schools into membership or not.  I think if they did this and upped the amount of teams out west (the real west, not Wisconsin which is near the center of the country) that we would all get better recognition as a whole region. 

As for Buc's comments on Gebbers, he is right on the money.  The kid averages 3 threes a game while shooting in the mid 40's%.  Very smart player and orchestrates this team to a t.  It will take a lot to dismiss this Whitworth team from this years tournament.  And while I think last years team was overall better, this team brings a lot to the table as well.  And Im not saying this as a WW fan, I hate them.  Played against them for 4 years, never liked them.  But I have to respect how they play and go about their business.  Should be a fun one this year
I have never heard of the NCAA recruiting schools.  Any recruiting might occur by individual conferences that need to fill deficiencies as we have seen in the shuffles over the last 5-7 years.

Look at the NAIA schools in the Northwest...

what advantage is there for those schools to move to the NCAA?  The NWC is not likely to invite them to join.  (Remember how Menlo was treated. Football only and nothing more.)

The entire Cascade Collegiate Conference would need to move, and that is a hard process.  We have not seen that since the NWC and ASC made the move to D-III in the mid 1990's.

Hey Ralph, one can hope! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 28, 2012, 09:46:08 AM
Financially it probably makes more sense for some of these schools to go DIII. There would be savings in scholarship $ and travel expenses.

Competitively, Carroll College's football program and Lewis and Clark State's baseball program would want nothing to do with it. Carroll's team would suddenly be fighting for recruits with state schools in montana that have cheaper tuition and no way to offset their own costs to student-athletes with scholarships. LCState would no longer be able to bring in some of the kids that they do from Cali juco programs. Linfield might also not be so happy about LCstate stealing their thunder...as the warriors are regularly competitive with pac-12 programs. That last one was for playball more than anything else...

The frontier conference and the cascade conference could both go DIII and you could allow the Oregon and Seattle area teams to join the NWC and put the Idaho colleges, the Montana schools, and the Utah and N Dakota programs in another conference. You'd have more in-region games to schedule, two conferences who would eventually receive auto-bids, etc.

But, it's not going to happen and has nothing to do with this thread. I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time ::) Back to basketball, which reminds me, you guys haven't given us much on McMurry...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2012, 10:27:55 AM
McMurry, er Jekyll and Hyde.

It is hard to get a feel for this year's team. They seem to play to the competition.

Steven Jones is a big and wide body in the middle of the paint. His little turn/spin move to the basket was called traveling in the tournament.  He is a really BIG small forward with the agility of a guard...kinda like a kid who played small playground guard until he was about 16 yrs old and then became into the possession of the body of a middle linebacker. 

They do run 9 deep (and 12 players had 8.0 mpg).  They play the aggressive up-tempo game common in this part of the country.

Lots of athleticism...

Isler is a solid point guard..."coach's son" game smarts.

Anthony Johnson is the defensive expert.  Hounds players all thruout the game.

Bryant Taylor and Bryce Hill can light it up!

All the players can run for interminable durations. Jones may be the one who needs to be spelled by Perez and Seville, etc.

The ASC has about 6 different styles of play by very good teams so the team is versatile.

It will be nice to play in the friendly confines at UMHB.

IMHO, UMHB does not match up well with Withworth either, so they had better hope we knock them out.  I honestly think that Whitworth is the favorite, by virtue of the composition of the bracket. I think that UMHB can beat Trinity fairly easily and learning to adjust their style of play to Trinity's discipline will be good for UMHB if UMHB faces Whitworth.

I think that UMHB can beat McMurry more easily than it can beat Whitworth, so those CRU fans need to remember that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" on Friday night and root for the ASC and McMurry.

Having to play UMHB a 4th time in a season will be tough!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 28, 2012, 10:43:29 AM
Thanks Ralph!

Playing conference foes is always tricky. You generally know each other so well that games end up close that shouldn't be. I always go back to Linfield football with this one; they'll struggle with Whitworth or Willamette in conference and then go out and lay a shellacking on an out of conference foe in the playoffs. I think Whitworth is the better team, but if I'm UMHB I don't know if I'd rather see McMurry in the second round...

The great thing about Whitworth's program as of late, thanks to Hayford, is that they have the funding to do some significant traveling in the non-conference. Hopefully that experience helps. But McMurry definitely has an advantage, they will be much more familiar and comfortable in their surroundings.

If Whitworth shoots well, I expect them to come out of this pod. But you never know, being on the road, at someone else's home gym, how that'll work out. They really need to remain patient and efficient like they have all season. What A Buc Forever said about "efficiency" is spot on. Whitworth plays the type of game where if you, as a fan, aren't paying attention real closely, you'll look up at the scoreboard during halftime and wonder how the hell they have 40 points?! Very business like in the way they play. But if McMurry can make them uncomfortable on both ends in the court they definitely win this game...

I'm guessing (hoping) UMHB will be streaming these games?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on February 28, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
Ralph,

Good description of McMurry.  They have been up and down, but I had a feeling that they just needed to get on a roll and fortunately they did that at the right time.  They have been playing for their life the last four weeks, I hope they can keep that mentality this weekend.

I saw Whitworth briefly during the Trinity tournament here in SA back in December.  They were truly better than Southwestern (who they were playing that day) and I remember thinking they were pretty good.  Based on the description by their fans, I think they matchup between Getters and Isler should be a good one.  In my opinion, Isler was they key to their success this weekend. Whitworth sounds really good and McMurry cannot afford to fall behind and try a comeback like they have the last two games.

While UMHB is the favorite against Trinity, don't underestimate the Tigers.  They have gone on a nice streak the last several weeks and their run in the SCAC tourney was impressive.  They won't kill you athletically, but they will execute very well and they have several guys who can shoot it.  DeWeese knows Coach Cunningham pretty well so I am sure he will have his guys ready to play.  To be honest it won't surprise me if any of these four teams come out of this pod.  All of these games will be good.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Traveling from Spokane to the Pacific Ocean for NWC road games makes them road warriors of the ASC/SCAC calibre.

I don't think that the travel will bother them as much as some teams would. Since they have made the trip to Texas this season, then this should not be a factor for a mature, disciplined team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 28, 2012, 01:11:30 PM
Bus rides are somewhat foreign to Whitworth. They have an advantage vs conference opponents on the road as their budget allows them to fly to all away games outside of the one trip to Walla Walla. Rough life huh?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2012, 01:48:05 PM
A quick additional comment about Isler.  Don't be deceived about his being the "coach's son."  He began playing at McMurry last season, under a different coach, and showed his mettle then as the point.  The previous coach won the conference, then quit on short notice for a job opening elsewhere.  Isler's father was hired after that, after his son was already established as a key starter on the team.  He is very solid and (in my opinion) is the major cement grounding the team.  Steven Jones will get more points, but he'll also get more fouls (and he must hold a McMurry record for technicals, if anyone keeps track of that).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: playball on February 28, 2012, 01:57:38 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2012, 01:48:05 PM
A quick additional comment about Isler.  Don't be deceived about his being the "coach's son."  He began playing at McMurry last season, under a different coach, and showed his mettle then as the point.  The previous coach won the conference, then quit on short notice for a job opening elsewhere.  Isler's father was hired after that, after his son was already established as a key starter on the team.  He is very solid and (in my opinion) is the major cement grounding the team.  Steven Jones will get more points, but he'll also get more fouls (and he must hold a McMurry record for technicals, if anyone keeps track of that).

How does Jones play against bigger, taller competition?  Offensively and defensively?   

Felix has a nice little mid range game and doesn't stray too far from the key, but can and may knock down thee 15 footer consistently. Very skilled for his size and moves his feet well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on February 28, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
From what I've read Isler sounds like a very good player. The term "coaches kid" doesn't mean a whole lot to me, as I've seen it thrown around loosely and to mean many different things. Is it fair to say as Isler goes, the team goes? Or can Jones and company take over even if Isler is off? And maybe more important than "can they" is, "do they"?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2012, 03:46:50 PM
It depends.  As Ralph pointed out, this team is a group version of Dr. Jekyll - Mr. Hyde.  We've had amazing games where they have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, as the saying goes, and then lost to teams who otherwise haven't been able to beat anybody.  I think there were some personnel problems at one point, but the team seems to have gotten beyond them now.  All this obviously makes it hard to predict what will happen before any game, especially playing an unknown (for us) group like WW.  I wouldn't be surprised if we won both games this weekend.  I also wouldn't be surprised if WW blew us away.   :P
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2012, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2012, 01:48:05 PM
A quick additional comment about Isler.  Don't be deceived about his being the "coach's son."  He began playing at McMurry last season, under a different coach, and showed his mettle then as the point.  The previous coach won the conference, then quit on short notice for a job opening elsewhere.  Isler's father was hired after that, after his son was already established as a key starter on the team.  He is very solid and (in my opinion) is the major cement grounding the team.  Steven Jones will get more points, but he'll also get more fouls (and he must hold a McMurry record for technicals, if anyone keeps track of that).
+1!  What he said... :)

The comment about "coach's son" was meant to be complimentary as someone who has grown up in a basketball house, taking basketball theory, insight, getting to learn what his father has been preaching all his life, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2012, 01:15:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2012, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2012, 01:48:05 PM
A quick additional comment about Isler.  Don't be deceived about his being the "coach's son."  He began playing at McMurry last season, under a different coach, and showed his mettle then as the point.  The previous coach won the conference, then quit on short notice for a job opening elsewhere.  Isler's father was hired after that, after his son was already established as a key starter on the team.  He is very solid and (in my opinion) is the major cement grounding the team.  Steven Jones will get more points, but he'll also get more fouls (and he must hold a McMurry record for technicals, if anyone keeps track of that).
+1!  What he said... :)

The comment about "coach's son" was meant to be complimentary as someone who has grown up in a basketball house, taking basketball theory, insight, getting to learn what his father has been preaching all his life, etc.

IMHO, Isler is second only to 2010 Bob Cousy nominee Robert Moreno among McMurry point guards in the last decade.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 29, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2012, 12:58:03 AM
The comment about "coach's son" was meant to be complimentary as someone who has grown up in a basketball house, taking basketball theory, insight, getting to learn what his father has been preaching all his life, etc.
Right.  I just wanted the posters from the NWC to know that Jaden established himself before his father became the coach.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 01, 2012, 01:32:14 PM
First blog post (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/asc-men/) on ASC individual stats is up!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 02, 2012, 12:15:43 PM
Looks like everyone has left his/her computer to hit the road to Belton!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 04:53:22 PM
GL to everyone tonight. And by that I mean good luck to pretty much just Whitworth  ;)

I'm confident Whitworth is as good as we've all led you to believe, but there is a reason McMurry is in the tourney. A 2,000 mile road trip can cause funny things to happen...Should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 02, 2012, 04:56:30 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 02, 2012, 12:15:43 PM
Looks like everyone has left his/her computer to hit the road to Belton!

Well, if you really want to have a discussion, I'll throw this out there:

Chris Barnes should not have won East POY, and it should have gone to Jeremy LaGarde of ETBU. Statistical case to follow later tonight/tomorrow when I have my data available (I hate closing shifts at call centers).
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 02, 2012, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 04:53:22 PM
GL to everyone tonight. And by that I mean good luck to pretty much just Whitworth  ;)

I'm confident Whitworth is as good as we've all led you to believe, but there is a reason McMurry is in the tourney. A 2,000 mile road trip can cause funny things to happen...Should be a good one!

It should be a good one.  Will be interesting to see how these two match up. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2012, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on March 02, 2012, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 04:53:22 PM
GL to everyone tonight. And by that I mean good luck to pretty much just Whitworth  ;)

I'm confident Whitworth is as good as we've all led you to believe, but there is a reason McMurry is in the tourney. A 2,000 mile road trip can cause funny things to happen...Should be a good one!

It should be a good one.  Will be interesting to see how these two match up.
I like to imagine this McMurry-Whitworth game in terms of a chess match.

Even the knight can capture a queen...not likely but possible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 05:56:10 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 02, 2012, 12:15:43 PM
Looks like everyone has left his/her computer to hit the road to Belton!

I'll be driving up to Belton shortly.   There should be someone there to support Trinity, after all.   8-)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2012, 07:15:20 PM
Whitworth 41 McMurry 37  at the half. McMurry led 20-19 at the 10 minurte mark but it has been a 2-5 point Whitworth lead for much of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 07:19:02 PM
McMurry has not been shooting well at all. Don't know if they've hit a shot outside of 5-10 ft (other than FTs). But defensively their guards are all over the place. 11 Whitworth TO's in the first half. The big reason this one has been so close all half.

Friedt has 16
Perez has been impressive down low, leads McMurry with 9
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2012, 08:14:18 PM
We were down 78-74 with about 2:18 left and had a chance to cut it. We had a turnover that broke the momentum.

This was a 2-possession game until the last 2 minutes.

Good performance by McMurry. I hope that we have taken something out of the Whitworth legs.  I know that Whitworth was substituting liberally at the end of the game. Those may have been situational substitutions.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2012, 08:15:47 PM
Final Whitworth 90 McMurry 79.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
Best guard play Whitworth has seen defensively. And it's not even close. 21 turnovers, 15 of which were steals! Unreal. Perez was big off the bench. Just couldn't get shots to fall from long range. GL in DII

EDIT: Just heard Whitworth outrebounded McMurry. Don't know how that happened, a ton of offensive boards and second chance shots absolutely killed Whitworth for most of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
Trinity 22, UMHB 21, 11:21.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 09:11:06 PM
UMHB now up 32-26 6:01 1st, playing tighter d on TU and limiting open shots.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 09:16:10 PM
Trinity goes on an 8-0 run to reclaim the lead,  34-32, 3:36 1st.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
Lambert with 17.  Tu 40-32,  2:10
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 09:28:28 PM
Trinity up at half, 46-35, behind some mad three point shooting.  Nobody in foul trouble either way.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 09:48:24 PM
UMHB gets a couple of threes and again playing tighter D, close to 51-45 and have possession w/15:48 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
Best guard play Whitworth has seen defensively. And it's not even close. 21 turnovers, 15 of which were steals! Unreal. Perez was big off the bench. Just couldn't get shots to fall from long range. GL in DII

EDIT: Just heard Whitworth outrebounded McMurry. Don't know how that happened, a ton of offensive boards and second chance shots absolutely killed Whitworth for most of the game.
Thanks for the kind words (509)Rat.  Whitworth was the best fundamental team that we saw all year. They remind me of UT-Dallas except 3 inches taller per man.

The game played out as the chess game that I thought.  Knight versus queen... I thought that we had a chance to snatch the momentum when we got to 78-74. we had one last series of chances that must be executed without fail. Whitworth missed a FT (79-74)  and we brought the ball down with a chance for Isler or someone to hit a 3FG.  (We had picked up the pace, and I thought that I saw Whitworth beginning to feel the pressure at the end of a long fast-paced game.)  We bounced the ball off the foot with about 2;15 left, and I thought that the game changed at that point.  Whitworth would put the game away from that point.

Congratulations and safe travels. I hope that your brought your golf clubs. The weather should be good tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 10:11:37 PM
UMHB winning the battle of the boards, threes not falling for Trinity and Cru lead, 61-59, 5:50 left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
looks like it may come down to the wire.  UMHB 65 TU 64 3:35.  Lambert with 4 fouls for TU, #11 has 4 for Cru.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 02, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
Just heard Whitworth outrebounded McMurry. Don't know how that happened, a ton of offensive boards and second chance shots absolutely killed Whitworth for most of the game.

That also killed most ASC defenses for most of the year. McMurry was absurdly good at offensive rebounding this year, possibly the best such team in ASC history.

Regardless of what the rebounding margin was, McMurry beat Whitworth on the boards. McMurry got 40.7% of their available offensive rebounds and 64.0% of Whitworth's, leaving marks of 36.0% and 59.3% for Whitworth's offensive and defensive rebounding rates, respectively. McMurry just shot and missed more often, giving Whitworth more chances at generally-easier-to-get defensive rebounds. I don't have the data to back it up, but McMurry might have been the best rebounding team in the country this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2012, 10:40:17 PM
Trinity gave up a boatload of offensive rebounds but somehow came back late to defeat UMHB 68-66.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 10:43:12 PM
They led the country in rebounding according to the Whitworth broadcaster and coach. But saying that "generally-easier-to-get" defensive rebounds is the reason Whitworth outrebounded McMurry isn't entirely accurate. McMurry got just as many "generally-easier-to-get" offensive rebounds off of deep 3's (which I'm grateful they were taking, since they were mostly terrible shots)...those bring your % almost right back to 50-50. Regardless, their guards were fun to watch. Perez probably should have played more. And now Whitworth gets Trinity tomorrow night
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 02, 2012, 10:45:16 PM
Wow.  Trinity beats UMHB.  I had a feeling they could the way they have been playing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on March 02, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Officiating was terrible both ways. How can an official mix up the shooters on a FT when the foul was away from the ball?!?!  Shows to me that they didn't even know if it was really a foul!  I didn't think either team could adjust to the calls due to the inconsistencies.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 10:46:02 PM
And if you are online and have nothing to do I'd switch over to the UWRF game...coming back from almost a 30 pt deficit. 65-55 3 min left
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on March 02, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
Also counted a basket on a foul away from the ball which was a screen to get the shooter open!  Terrible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 02, 2012, 10:49:25 PM
Quote from: cover2 on March 02, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
Officiating was terrible both ways. How can an official mix up the shooters on a FT when the foul was away from the ball?!?!  Shows to me that they didn't even know if it was really a foul!  I didn't think either team could adjust to the calls due to the inconsistencies.

That's too bad. I didn't really notice the officiating in the second game having an effect. I thought the guys in the first game did a great job. Let em play, were consistent on what was and wasn't a foul all game, calls went both ways. I think it benefitted McMurry but as long as the officials call it the same from one half to another and on each end of the court, thats all you can really ask.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on March 02, 2012, 11:51:21 PM
I felt there was a ton of contact in the paint that was let to but then some ticky tack cheap stuff called on the perimeter.  Seems inconsistent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 12:24:20 AM
They definitely called the 2nd half tighter than the first... Benefiting the Cru who ended up with a 2:1 FT advantage, somewhat expected due to UMHB's stronger inside presence.

The play where it appeared Lambert was fouled on a three, only to get only 2 FTs, then have them wiped out and the screener get sent to the line, was indeed odd.  At least with both guys only hitting 1-of-2 there was no impact on the outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on March 03, 2012, 01:22:46 AM
Does Trinity always play zone on D?  Thought that was a smart move by them as I'm not sure they could've matched up very well in man to man.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2012, 12:30:13 PM
Last night was the first time for me to see them this season, but I think Coach Cunningham adapts the defense to the opponent.    No doubt that the Cru were a quicker, more athletic team so the zone was pretty much a necessity.

I would like to express my appreciation to UMHB's announcer, who did a great job announcing both teams respectfully and with sincere enthusiasm.     That's what D3 should be all about.  The spirit band also did a fine job of supporting the Cru.

Congratulations to both UMHB and McMurry on their fine seasons ... I'll be back tonight to see how Trinity deals with what appears to be a larger version (six players 6'6" or taller) of themselves.  Another huge uphill battle, and you can't depend on shooting threes at a 60% clip for a half too often. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 03, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
As promised, my case (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/the-case-for-jeremy-lagarde-and-kyle-schleigh/) for Jeremy LaGarde being ASC East POY.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2012, 11:47:46 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 03, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
As promised, my case (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/the-case-for-jeremy-lagarde-and-kyle-schleigh/) for Jeremy LaGarde being ASC East POY.
Thanks for the blog.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 05, 2012, 10:49:15 AM
How each team's per-possession performance ranks all-time for that particular school:

Concordia-Texas: +0.01, 5th
East Texas Baptist: +0.02, 6th
Hardin-Simmons: +0.10, 2nd
Howard Payne: -0.06, 10th
LeTourneau: -0.16, 10th
Louisiana College: -0.05, 6th
Mary Hardin-Baylor: +0.16, 2nd
McMurry: +0.07, 11th
Mississippi College: -0.04, 14th
Ozarks: -0.06, 10th
Schreiner: +0.01, 2nd
Sul Ross State: -0.08, 10th
Texas Lutheran: +0.00, 5th
Texas-Dallas: +0.14, 4th
Texas-Tyler: -0.07, 8th
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 11, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
New blog post (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/asc-scorers-2011/), this time on individual scorers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2012, 05:49:25 PM
South Region All-Region Team.

Congratulations to Matt Addison, SRPOTY.

South Men (http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-region/2011-12/south-men)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2012, 12:11:27 PM
I'd take the five of Addison/LaGarde/Miller/Jones/Barnes against any other D3 five. That would be sick.

Can someone closer to the UTD program please tell me why Barnes gets this kind of nod, but Kyle Schleigh does not even get honorable mention? Not that Barnes is bad by any means, but statistically they are so close (or better in Schleigh's case) I'm just confused.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2012, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: CUAfan on March 13, 2012, 12:11:27 PM
I'd take the five of Addison/LaGarde/Miller/Jones/Barnes against any other D3 five. That would be sick.

Can someone closer to the UTD program please tell me why Barnes gets this kind of nod, but Kyle Schleigh does not even get honorable mention? Not that Barnes is bad by any means, but statistically they are so close (or better in Schleigh's case) I'm just confused.
Who do you like at point guard?

And HPU's Brandon Irwin, too.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 14, 2012, 12:09:49 AM
Out of that group, probably LaGarde based on a better turnover rate than Addison, though it's really a toss-up between the two. I envision LaGarde running point, Addison rubbing off defenders on Steven Jones screens, and Barnes/Miller cutting and generally moving without the ball to maintain spacing. I'm not a coach though so that's about as specific as I can get. The group would probably be a little undersized defensively, but if you're quick enough you can make up for it.

I've often though it would be neat, though probably not nearly cost-effective, for there to be, say, an ASC-vs-SCAC all-star game using the 1st/2nd/3rd team selections as the rosters (or ASC West-vs-East). It'll never happen though, because of money and time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2012, 05:06:08 PM
Congratulations to HSU's Matt Addison, 1st team AA!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 18, 2012, 07:19:02 PM
New blog post (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/crashing-the-glass/) with the offensive and defensive rebounding leaders from this season. Here, I am going to average out the separate offensive and defensive rates to give an overall rebounding rate (though personally I prefer to keep them separate).

Overall Rebounding
Name, TM - %MIN/REB%
1. Dominick Walker, MCM - 48.4%/24.3%
2. Travis Pflughaupt, SU - 79.5%/18.0%
3. Greg Wiernas, UMHB - 55.4%/17.6%
4. Ahnre Gray, ETBU - 43.8%/17.5%
5. Steven Jones, MCM - 59.9%/17.5%
6. Darren Houliston, UTT - 70.3%/16.5%
7. Ja'Kalan Gayden, HPU - 54.0%/16.4%
8. Josh Johnson, CTX - 42.4%/15.3%
9. Colton Thompson, SRSU - 52.9%/15.3%
10. Adam Smith, MC - 44.2%/14.9%
11. Andy Spears, HSU - 49.9%/14.4%
12. Mack Dunbar, ETBU - 42.9%/14.3%
13. Trevon Malone, MC - 68.7%/14.1%
14. Kyle Schleigh, UTD - 83.7%/13.9%
15. Eric Garcia, SRSU - 44.2%/13.8%
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on April 09, 2012, 09:46:23 PM
To finally finish reporting the men's and women's individual numbers for 2011-12, I give you the steal and block rate leaders on my blog (http://joshuaoliversports.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/120/). Now, if I could just get around to starting on detailed historical numbers...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 28, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
Looking forward to the new basketball season. As I understand it, UMHB is supposed to be strong again. Can't wait, but one thing I miss is the old gym. That place got loud with the close proximity to the court. Loved it! Go Cru!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2013, 07:42:34 PM
Congratulations to Coach Bonewitz and the CTX Tornados.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on February 25, 2013, 11:38:33 AM
Well, the Cru definitely beat themselves yesterday. Too many missed FT's. Make those, you win the game. We are too good to not be more successful. I hope we get in and can make some noise!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Andy Archibald on February 25, 2013, 12:53:59 PM
Congratulaions to Concordia on their Conference Championship. Coach Bonewitz has been working hard to get his team to this level and he finally reached it. NCAA Bracket has been release and The Cru gets the first rounf bye, but in turn has 13 days off in between games. Hope we dont come out somewhat flat. Why a whole week in between rounds?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2013, 01:33:34 PM
Quote from: CouchCru4life on February 25, 2013, 12:53:59 PM
Congratulaions to Concordia on their Conference Championship. Coach Bonewitz has been working hard to get his team to this level and he finally reached it. NCAA Bracket has been release and The Cru gets the first rounf bye, but in turn has 13 days off in between games. Hope we dont come out somewhat flat. Why a whole week in between rounds?
Both Men's D2 and D3 Finals have been moved to Atlanta during the Final Four, for this season. That has prompted the NCAA to spread out the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2013, 09:42:46 PM
Congratulations to CTX which defeated Trinity 87-83.  UMHB in Belton next week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 07, 2013, 08:10:32 PM
Of all the years I end up not having enough time to hang out here, my alma mater goes and makes the Big Dance. Go figure. :P

Though, it's got me back working on per-possession (or tempo-free, if you prefer) rankings for D3 again.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on March 08, 2013, 08:51:41 PM
2012-13 per-possession rankings for the ASC. Over the next month (or two), I'm going to try to get every D3 conference up over on my old blog. Emphasis on try.

ASC Per-Possession
# Team (W-L) - Off/Def/Net/Pace
1. Texas-Dallas (14-5) – 1.13/0.95/+0.17/63.6
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor (17-2) – 1.09/0.92/+0.17/71.9
3. Concordia-Texas (15-4) – 1.13/1.00/+0.13/85.8
4. Texas-Tyler (13-6) – 1.07/0.99/+0.08/68.6
5. Mississippi College (11-8) – 1.04/0.99/+0.05/70.6
6. Louisiana College (8-11) – 1.03/1.04/+0.00/72.8
7. Hardin-Simmons (12-7) – 1.00/1.00/+0.00/77.4
8. Schreiner (8-11) – 0.96/0.99/-0.03/73.8
9. LeTourneau (10-9) – 0.95/0.99/-0.03/68.4
10. East Texas Baptist (5-14) – 0.95/1.01/-0.05/72.1
11. Texas Lutheran (6-13) – 0.92/0.97/-0.05/69.7
12. Howard Payne (6-13) – 0.89/1.01/-0.12/76.0
13. Sul Ross State (4-15) – 0.93/1.06/-0.13/73.5
14. Ozarks (4-15) – 0.95/1.10/-0.15/73.3

Average Pace – 72.7
Average Offense/Defense – 1.00
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2013, 10:07:28 PM
Congratulations UMHB.  Good luck in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 10, 2013, 06:11:49 PM
What are you doing tonight? How about watching Hoopsville?

UMHB head coach Ken DeWeese joins us to talk about the two weeks off, the surprising blow out of Concordia, and their upcoming trip to the Great Northwest to play Whitworth. Show hits the air at 7 PM EST and here is how you can follow us:

Website: www.d3hoopsville.com (http://www.d3hoopsville.com)
Tonight's Show: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2012-13/march10 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2012-13/march10)
Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #hoopsville
Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)
Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 16, 2013, 11:47:37 PM
Pretty sure there is nobody here to read it, but congrats to the Cru on the win tonight. They were the aggressor for most of the game and it paid off. Good luck in Salem, "y'all"!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2013, 11:55:44 PM
Thanks, Rat!  Yes, the ASC board has gone dead without any McMurry fans to post.

UMHB played an excellent game.

I want to congratulate Coach DeWeese for playing at Whitworth in November 2012.  Getting the players into Whitworth Fieldhouse made the environment less formidable second time around!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 17, 2013, 01:38:55 AM
I rarely visit the BBall boards, but I have been some this season. Tonight's game was great. Brings back memories of the days before football when UMHB played NAIA Basketball. Congrats Cru. Now do it in Salem!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
UMHB advances in a nailbiter over St. Mary's (MD). This marks the first time ever that an ASC team, or any team from Texas, for that matter, has made it to the Final Four.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 22, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
UMHB advances in a nailbiter over St. Mary's (MD). This marks the first time ever that an ASC team, or any team from Texas, for that matter, has made it to the Final Four.
The dominoes were lined up nicely for this one.

1)  I felt that UMHB matched better against St Mary's than any of the other 6 teams in the Elite 8. 
2)  They got thru the Round of 32 at home (bye and then hosting CTX). 
3)  They had played a game at Whitworth in the non-conference.
4)  They played the Elite 8 game on a neutral court.
5)  I like their chances and the match-up against St Thomas (better than against Williams).

Congratulations to the CRU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2013, 08:04:52 PM
UMHB 74, St Thomas 67. UMHB goes to Atlanta for the National Championship!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CruFrenzy on March 23, 2013, 08:06:45 PM
Anybody know if the Championship will be televised? Or maybe on ESPN3.com?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 23, 2013, 08:32:37 PM
CBS Sports Network will have the game and it will be simulcast on NCAA.com
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
Since I am now officially a conference outsider, I can make comments about the state of the conference.

Yes, I always loved it when McMurry beat UMHB, but we are now in different Divisions and I can root for the ASC as my D-III conference.  Superstitions do not apply!

That being said, I know there are plenty of fans who would note the irony of Coach DeWeese bringing home the Walnut and Bronze before Coach Fred.  There is no doubt that Coach Fred hopes that that is the case.

Good luck to the Cru! Have fun doing it!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: magicman on March 24, 2013, 05:06:21 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
Since I am now officially a conference outsider, I can make comments about the state of the conference.

Yes, I always loved it when McMurry beat UMHB, but we are now in different Divisions and I can root for the ASC as my D-III conference.  Superstitions do not apply!

That being said, I know there are plenty of fans who would note the irony of Coach DeWeese bringing home the Walnut and Bronze before Coach Fred.  There is no doubt that Coach Fred hopes that that is the case.

Good luck to the Cru! Have fun doing it!

Congratulations Ralph on a team from the  ASC conference, a conference that you've always been the biggest supporter of, on making it to the Championship game. 8-)

Congratulations also on post # 25,000.  Plus K

Good Luck to the Crusaders. I ranked them in the Posters' Poll before anyone did!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 24, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
Since McMurry isn't a member of the ASC anymore, I can root for UMHB wholeheartedly.  The end of the match with the Tommies was wild; it had me on the edge of my seat.  Great internet stream.  And to think that UMHB wasn't even ranked in the top 25 teams nationally!  I'm thinking that fact probably really helped them; the ranked teams didn't take them seriously until it was too late.  Of course, I'm sure Amherst won't make that mistake; and they've got two weeks to prepare, unlike the previous teams who got themselves blindsided.  I've always thought Coach DeWeese was a class act, and this run is a fitting reward for all his work building up the UMHB program.  Win it all in Atlanta, guys, and put this part of Texas on everyone's map the way the HPU women did it a few years ago!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 25, 2013, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 24, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
  And to think that UMHB wasn't even ranked in the top 25 teams nationally! 

Not even in the top 39 with votes!  The BB teams in the South (both men and women) have never gotten the respect they deserve.  NCAA DIII is so heavily weighted in the North and East, that the South gets overlooked.   I think it would be great for UMHB to win the championship.  I wonder when the last time, a team ranked (unranked) so low won the championship?   Even if they do loose, it shows the ranking system isn't very accurate.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 25, 2013, 05:20:11 PM
I would have voted for them if they hadn't lost their conference championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2013, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 25, 2013, 04:57:45 PM
Even if they do loose, it shows the ranking system isn't very accurate.

As clearly exhibited by the fact that No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 made the Final Four. :)

This will be the first time an unranked team has made the title game in the history of our poll (started in 1999). It's a great run, no doubt.

As a reminder, here's what UMHB had done entering the tournament:

11/20    vs. Southwestern •    W, 73-50    ***11-16 overall
11/23    at Whitworth •    L, 70-61    ***Best overall opponent
11/25    at Whitman •    L, 94-84    ***Whitman was 19-8, lost to St. Thomas by 23
11/28    at Trinity (Texas) •    W, 57-56    ***Best non-conference win, Trinity 20-7
12/1    vs. LeTourneau * •    W, 64-58    
12/8    at Mississippi College * •    W, 75-63    
12/10    at Louisiana College * •    W, 83-64    
12/13    vs. Texas-Dallas * •    W, 74-70    
12/15    vs. University of the Ozarks * •    W, 89-73    
12/28    vs. Rust •    W, 88-67    ***10-14 overall
12/29    vs. Edgewood •    W, 71-53    ***7-18 overall
1/3    at East Texas Baptist * •    L, 66-57    
1/5    at Texas-Tyler * •    W, 75-71    
1/8    vs. Concordia (Texas) * •    W, 98-95    
1/12    vs. Hardin-Simmons * •    W, 106-69    
1/17    at Texas Lutheran * •    W, 74-56    
1/19    at Schreiner * •    W, 74-66    
1/24    at Sul Ross State * •    W, 69-56    
1/26    at Howard Payne * •    W, 76-52    
1/29    at Concordia (Texas) * •    W, 94-81    
1/31    at Hardin-Simmons * •    W, 70-68    
2/7    vs. Schreiner * •    W, 79-65    
2/9    vs. Texas Lutheran * •    W, 74-54    
2/14    vs. Howard Payne * •    L, 75-73    
2/16    vs. Sul Ross State * •    W, 87-61    
2/22    vs. LeTourneau •    W, 61-54    
   @ Texas-Dallas
2/23    vs. Hardin-Simmons •    W, 76-67    
   @ Richardson, Texas
2/24    vs. Concordia (Texas) •    L, 80-76    
   @ Texas-Dallas

It would have been difficult to rank UMHB based on one non-conference win against a team with a winning record, which is probably why none of the 25 voters (including the ASC voter) did so.

Last year, UMHB had an even better record at 24-3 entering the tournament, 20-1 in the ASC, and lost at home in the first round. So there was plenty of room for doubt.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2013, 07:06:50 PM
I am not the ASC Voter!    ;)

That being said, I participate in the Fan Poll, which always starts after the New Year.  I had UMHB in the low 20's for a few weeks in January and Feb.  Then, they lost at home to HPU!

Wow!  How can you keep a team in your poll when that team loses to a team like HPU?

In the February polls, we fans in Mr Ypsi's Fan Poll are trying to figure out who is for real.  Most of the Top 15 made solid cases to be in the Top 25, and most voters have them solidly there.

It is the next 10, #16-25, where the doubts start to arise.  UMHB shot itself in the foot in the eyes of many pollsters.

CTX managed to get some love headed for an ASC team.

There are about 40 men's conferences in D-III.  Only about half of the conferences even have a team getting enough votes to reach the Top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 25, 2013, 07:25:47 PM
UMHB did manage votes (none higher than 20th) from 8 of the 12 Fan Poll voters in the final regular season poll, finishing with 22 points for 28th place.  Their total resume made them a marginal top 25 team at best.  They are truly the Florida Gulf Coast of the d3 tourney! :o

But that's OK - people love the Cinderella underdog.  IWU won the 2010 d3 College World Series after having a losing record with two weeks left in the regular season; they may have gotten more attention than any other d3 champion! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 25, 2013, 09:49:02 PM
In fairly early voting on the front page poll, Amherst leads 64% to 27%.  I'm among the 64%.  HOWEVER, it asked 'who WILL win', not 'who will you root for'.  Based on the overall season (and, as best I can make them out, on matchups), Amherst has to be favored.  But I strongly suspect that a question of 'who will you root for' would have produced radically different results (including me).

Amazing!  Under very rare circumstances the rest of the country can actually go soft for Texans! :o ;D

In 2010, I received congratulatory messages from posters who would never have sent them if IWU won the bball tourney (where they have several times been favored, but only won 16 years ago).  Maybe I'd get them with a Stagg Bowl victory, where Mount Union has been an impenetrable roadblock for 2+ decades!  (Though you did penetrate them once, only to meet Linfield.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 26, 2013, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2013, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 25, 2013, 04:57:45 PM
Even if they do loose, it shows the ranking system isn't very accurate.

As clearly exhibited by the fact that No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 made the Final Four. :)


I guess 3 out of 4 is acceptable  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 26, 2013, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2013, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: JACKET84 on March 25, 2013, 04:57:45 PM
Even if they do loose, it shows the ranking system isn't very accurate.

As clearly exhibited by the fact that No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 made the Final Four. :)


I guess 3 out of 4 is acceptable  ;D
Reminds me of a song by Meatloaf.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: JACKET84 on March 26, 2013, 04:23:30 PM
IF UMHB wins the National Championship (and since they're not presently in the top 39 in votes), will they be rated #1 in the final poll?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2013, 04:39:26 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 26, 2013, 04:55:18 PM
Pat, do you have an actual rule that the winner is #1, or has it just always happened?  (I think it has always been unanimous in bball and fball - and I can't think of any winner I wouldn't have voted #1, but the final poll in baseball in 2010 had IWU #1 but NOT unanimously [and, quite honestly, I likewise might not have voted IWU #1, and I have green blood!])
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2013, 04:58:50 PM
Only once has a D3hoops.com voter asked to vote the champion not No. 1, and I requested he reconsider. Baseball is a different animal and while I would have asked voters reconsider there, too, neither Jim nor I overruled them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 26, 2013, 09:12:10 PM
Any guesses as to where UMHB would be ranked if they lose to Amherst? Just for the sake of discussion, what if they lose by less than 10 and greater than 10?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2013, 09:13:41 PM
2 ... and if they get blown out, not sure. I could then see North Central perhaps being 2 and UMHB 3, but beating St. Thomas keeps UMHB from falling below 2.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 29, 2013, 12:43:13 AM
Pat. I assume you'll be in Atlanta? If nothing changes between now and then, I'll be there and would love to actually get to meet you and say hi.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lefrakenstein on April 03, 2013, 05:25:49 PM
Good to see that the ASC board is abuzz with excitement about this weekend's game. Do posters here think there is likely to be a large contingent of Cru fans making their way to Atlanta?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2013, 06:04:38 PM
Welcome to the ASC Boards, lefrakenstein.

(Forgive me, but is that pronounced "stine", with a long i, or "steen", with a long e.)   ;)

There might be several to come.  At least Atlanta is easy to get to from Belton.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 03, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: lefrakenstein on April 03, 2013, 05:25:49 PM
Good to see that the ASC board is abuzz with excitement about this weekend's game. Do posters here think there is likely to be a large contingent of Cru fans making their way to Atlanta?

Not sure if you saw the hoopsville piece, where this was mentioned, but there is at least 270 students going to the game because the school chartered 4 buses to take them to the game and even has a wait list for spots. I believe I also heard that the band and cheer leaders will be making the trip so the Cru should have a pretty good contingent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lefrakenstein on April 04, 2013, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: crufootball on April 03, 2013, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: lefrakenstein on April 03, 2013, 05:25:49 PM
Good to see that the ASC board is abuzz with excitement about this weekend's game. Do posters here think there is likely to be a large contingent of Cru fans making their way to Atlanta?

Not sure if you saw the hoopsville piece, where this was mentioned, but there is at least 270 students going to the game because the school chartered 4 buses to take them to the game and even has a wait list for spots. I believe I also heard that the band and cheer leaders will be making the trip so the Cru should have a pretty good contingent.

Wow, that's impressive. That will be quite a UMHB presence. In the past I know that Amherst has not charted buses for students to attend the Final Four, but I've always assumed that was because the Final Four was held during our Spring Break. So maybe they'll send buses this time. I remember speaking to an alumni in Salem in '07 who mentioned that he had offered to help pay a significant portions of the cost for transporting students, but the school declined. Maybe this time they will take him up on it.

Can't wait for the game. I'd love to say hello to any other posters who will be in attendance.

And thanks Ralph. I've always considered it to be pronounced 'stine' with the long I, like the Mary Shelley (or Mel Brooks) character. The name is supposed to be a portmanteau of 'LeFrak', the name of Amherst's gym, and 'Frankenstein'.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2013, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: lefrakenstein on April 04, 2013, 11:27:22 AM

And thanks Ralph. I've always considered it to be pronounced 'stine' with the long I, like the Mary Shelley (or Mel Brooks) character. The name is supposed to be a portmanteau of 'LeFrak', the name of Amherst's gym, and 'Frankenstein'.
Ahhh. Please remember that the Gene Wilder character was insistent on the pronounciation as "steen".

A truly brilliant cinematic creation!

(I actually like Madeline Kahn's character, Elizabeth. But that is for another message board.   ;)  )
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Andy Archibald on April 04, 2013, 12:27:42 PM
From the way people are talking on social medial it sounds like there will be a good turn out from UMHB. Of course the students are going on busses plus a number of students going who could not make the busses. And a few Alumni friends and I are making the trip as well!

We are very excited and can't wait for Sunday!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lefrakenstein on April 04, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2013, 11:38:30 AM
Quote from: lefrakenstein on April 04, 2013, 11:27:22 AM

And thanks Ralph. I've always considered it to be pronounced 'stine' with the long I, like the Mary Shelley (or Mel Brooks) character. The name is supposed to be a portmanteau of 'LeFrak', the name of Amherst's gym, and 'Frankenstein'.
Ahhh. Please remember that the Gene Wilder character was insistent on the pronounciation as "steen".

A truly brilliant cinematic creation!

(I actually like Madeline Kahn's character, Elizabeth. But that is for another message board.   ;)  )

Hahaha, good point, I had forgotten about that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on April 05, 2013, 01:21:38 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2013, 06:04:38 PM
Welcome to the ASC Boards, lefrakenstein.

(Forgive me, but is that pronounced "stine", with a long i, or "steen", with a long e.)   ;)

There might be several to come.  At least Atlanta is easy to get to from Belton.
Ralph, German pronunciation rules say in an ei/ie construction the second vowel is pronounced as a long vowel.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on April 07, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
Ralph,

Even Dr. Frankenstein decides to pronounce the last syllable of his name with a long I by the end of the movie!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 07, 2013, 05:10:34 PM

Ralph, Kahn's character was superb, but what also sticks in my mind is Frau Bluecher's [Cloris Leachman's] response about her relationship with Dr. Frankenstein the Elder : "Yesssssssss, he vas my boyfriend!"
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lefrakenstein on April 08, 2013, 12:05:39 PM
Congrats to UMHB on a great run! The Mary Hardin-Baylor fans at the game were great - very lively, positive and friendly to speak to. As a Texan, I would expect nothing less, but the UMHB folks certainly delivered. Also, although the final margin was large, the team really showed it belonged. After the initial 10-0 run, the Cru played Amherst close the rest of the way. The three guard/wings -Allen, Todd and Orr- were pretty much unstoppable and got to the rim whenever they pleased. With Bell and Allen returning next year I'm sure the dIII world will be hearing from UMHB again in the near future.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Andy Archibald on April 09, 2013, 02:09:17 PM
What a great time in Atlanta. Wished we could have pulled out the win but it wasn't meant to be.

I was intreviewed by a member of thr Atlanta Journal before the game. His first question came with a look of absolute shock asking if Mary Hardin-Baylor normally brings this kind of crowds to games. I responded by telling him that we absolutely love our sports teams and do our best to show up and support The Cru. I did however go on to say that even I was a little taken back by the turnout we had.

Very proud of the run the team had this season and look forward to seeing if they can duplicate this feat next year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on April 23, 2013, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: CouchCru4life on April 09, 2013, 02:09:17 PM
What a great time in Atlanta. Wished we could have pulled out the win but it wasn't meant to be.

I was intreviewed by a member of thr Atlanta Journal before the game. His first question came with a look of absolute shock asking if Mary Hardin-Baylor normally brings this kind of crowds to games. I responded by telling him that we absolutely love our sports teams and do our best to show up and support The Cru. I did however go on to say that even I was a little taken back by the turnout we had.

Very proud of the run the team had this season and look forward to seeing if they can duplicate this feat next year.

Very cool experience to be in Atlanta for the game. The house was rockin and the fans really showed up. I would drive the 13 hours again for another chance. Our guys showed some great heart, determination, and fight. I wish the ending had been better, but Amherst deserves the credit for the win. They were lights out from 3. I thought we would struggle underneath, but we played big. This sets us up well for next season. Hopefully we'll get some good recruits and make another run.

And NCAA officials, the D2 and D3 game need to be played the same weekend and same city as Final Four. No question.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hopefan on September 15, 2013, 10:33:27 PM
With the ASC now at 12 teams, will the conference still be split East and West... two 6 team conferences.... or will standings be kept as one 12 team conference?.... If the split is maintained, what East team will be shifted to the west with TexLU and Schreiner  both leaving from the west?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 16, 2013, 10:34:39 AM
It will be all together:
http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/ASC/men/2013-14/standings
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sbparent on September 18, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
At some point Mississippi College will be leaving as well so it will be an 11 team conference in a year or so.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Andy Archibald on October 25, 2013, 07:56:53 PM
UMHB is ranked #7 in the preseason poll. Very interested to see how they will do this season. Hopefully with this years seniors who have started for 2 full years they will be able to lead the team to big things again this season. Also, I'm sure Concordia will be looking to get some revenge after winning the conference yet getting beat so early in the playoffs... Should make for a very interesting season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: couchcru11 on December 06, 2013, 02:26:39 PM
What is goin on in the ASC this year? Seems like its anyone's game to take the title. Interesting days to come. I'm still pullin for the CRU to win it all
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on December 19, 2013, 02:30:22 PM
The Cru are not looking cohesive on the offensive side. The games I've been to, 3, seem as if we are looking for a leader on the floor. Seems as if nobody wants to be "the man" down the stretch in tough situations. Obviously we can still get to the playoffs, but something has to change. And get a rebound already!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 03, 2014, 01:07:53 AM
A tip of the hat to a great one...

McMurry Athletic Director and former head basketball coach and player Ron Holmes resigned as AD today.

http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/story/ron-holmes-resigns-as-mcmurry-university-athletic/d/story/cuOyLdzJ8EiW_pmuC_j1Ew

Best wishes in the future, Coach.  I know that you will land on your feet!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on January 03, 2014, 09:06:30 AM
 I came to this Board this morning to see if anyone had posted about Coach Holmes, so thanks Ralph for letting everyone know.  I can't say enough about Coach and all he has done for McMurry.  But for the purposes of this board, it should also be acknowledged what he meant to the ASC during McMurry's time in the conference.  Good luck to a great guy!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2014, 04:36:15 PM
Tonight's Hoopsville is set to air starting at 7 PM EST. Tune in to hear from UMHB coach Ken DeWeese and the following guests:

- #13 Augustana MBB coach Grey Giovanine
- Concordia (Wis.) WBB coach Stacey Brunner-Jones
- Eastern Connecticut MBB coach Bill Geitner
- #20 Ferrum WBB coach Bryan Harvey
- Staten Island MBB coach Tony Petosa

You can tune into Hoopsville on our website (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) or here (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2013-14/jan19).

Also don't forget to interact with the show via:
- Twitter: @d3hoopsville (http://www.twitter.com/d3hoopsville) or #Hoopsville
- Facebook: www.facebook.com/Hoopsville (http://www.facebook.com/Hoopsville)
- Email: hoopsville@d3hoops.com

And don't forget to consider helping Hoopsville. We have an ongoing fundraising campaign to help improve the show. For more information read our blog story (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2014/01/12/hoopsville-we-need-your-help/) or go to our fundraising website (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hoopsville-fundraising-project/x/6029509).

Thank you and enjoy the show!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2014, 10:37:30 PM
Congratulations Coach DeWeese on #700!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2014, 03:07:56 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2014, 10:37:30 PM
Congratulations Coach DeWeese on #700!

Four wins to go to get to 300 wins at a four-year school as well. Milestone time.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2014, 09:19:04 PM
A personal note for us at McMurry who saw Johnny Ray Watson play in the NAIA Lone Star Conference days in the late 1960's - early 70's. (Sam Houston State, Texas State-San Marcos, Stephen F Austin State, TAMU-Commerce, TAMU-Kingsville, Tarleton State, Angelo State, McMurry, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State)  There was no D-3. The major re-orgazniation would occur in 1973.

The Lone Star Conference was brutal. In football, you had NFL stars like QB Wade Wilson, DL's Harvey Martin and  LC Greenwood.  Basketball was very competitive. McMurry played in the old Indian Gym. That place was a shoe box, and it could get loud and rowdy.

Johnny Ray Watson was among the last players to play in Indian Gym (built about 1926) before the new (Kimbrell Arena/Ron Holmes Court) Hunt PE Center was built.

Johnny Ray died this week. He had become a gospel singer thru Lucas Artist Management. He sang Amazing Grace at Lady Bird Johnson's graveside. He was frequently featured at RiverBend Church in Austin. Here is a vimeo of his singing "How Great Thou Art" last month at Riverbend just three weeks ago.

I call your attention to the final verse beginning at 2:00.

When Christ shall come, with shout of acclamation,
And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart.
Then I shall bow, in humble adoration,
And then proclaim: "My God, how great Thou art!"


http://vimeo.com/84925941

Christ came and took Johnny Ray home. His sick disease-ravaged body has been replaced with the new creation that we are promised in 1 Corinthians 15.

Here are a couple of more clips for your enjoyment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT29ZeWOuhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZZeaXwLr4U
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2014, 04:45:56 PM
McMurry Press Release for Johnny Ray Watson.

QuoteMcM Remembers HOH Basketball Player & Gospel Singer, Johnny Ray Watson


McMurry University Athletics Hall of Honor member Johnny Ray Watson, a standout basketball player for McM, died on January 21. He was 63.

Watson was elected to McMurry Athletics "Hall of Honor" in 1993. He played under McM Hall of Honor head coach Herschel Kimbrell and was the team's leading scorer as a senior in 1970-71 (with 429 points). He was also honorable mention All-Lone Star Conference as a senior.

At 6'7", Watson was not just an imposing figure on the basketball floor, but went on to gain notoriety as a gospel singer. He was a part of three Billy Graham Crusades and was also selected to sing at Lady Bird Johnson's graveside service.

His powerful voice was a staple at Riverbend Church in Austin. He also performed at United Methodist Church revivals.

The funeral service for Johnny Ray Watson will take place on Thursday, January 30 (2 p.m) at the First United Methodist Church in Lubbock, Texas. First UMC is located at 1411 Broadway in Lubbock. That will be followed by a memorial service on Saturday, February 8 (3 p.m.) at Riverbend Church in Austin.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2014, 11:07:25 PM
Congratulations to UT-Dallas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2014, 09:10:54 PM
UT-D 45, Chapman 32 at the half.  Started out trailing 8-2 but almost doubled Chapman after the sluggish start.



Final UT-D 85-70.

Whitworth, a 75-73 winner over Trinity, is the opponent tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2014, 04:46:47 PM
Congratulations Comets!  What an OT buzzer beater and an amazing comeback for the 78-77 win!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 20, 2014, 04:07:17 PM
For those who may not know... UMHB will be participating in the Hoopsville Classic on November 21-23. Here is more information and the pairings: www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/06/hoopsville-classic-pairings-announced)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 14, 2014, 10:54:47 AM
I'm not a big basketball fan, but I support UMHB in all sports regardless of my personal interest.  New season opens Monday night vs. Trinity.  Go Cru!

When they made it to the national championship game a few years ago I had a blast watching it at Grand Avenue Theater in Belton.

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 14, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
Four games on tap in the ASC on Saturday.

1 p.m. - Texas-Dallas vs. Texas Lutheran
3 p.m. - Concordia Texas vs. McMurry
3 p.m. - East Texas Baptist vs. Millsaps
7 p.m. - Hardin-Simmons vs. Trinity
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 16, 2014, 11:45:14 PM
Overall, ASC teams played five games this weekend.

Saturday's results
Texas-Dallas 92, Texas Lutheran 77
- Nolan Harvey scored a career-high 38 points and broke the school record with 21 made free throws
- Freshman Reagan Keogh grabbed a game-high 10 rebounds

McMurry 101, Concordia Texas 93
- Donovan Ford (25 points) and Josh Sanchez (22) led the Tornados in scoring
- Sanchez eclipsed 1,000 points in his career
- Tornados forced 32 turnovers in the loss

East Texas Baptist 78, Millsaps 68
- Dylan Augustine had a game-best 20 points in 23 minutes off the bench
- Tigers shot 48.1 percent from the field, including 56 percent in the second half

Hardin-Simmons 100, Trinity 74
- Four of five starters scored in double figures, led by Clarendon JC transfer Christian O'Neal (21 points)
- Cowboys shot 56.7 percent from the floor
- HSU hit 17-of-39 3-pointers (43.6 percent)

Sunday's results
LeTourneau 73, Millsaps 46
- YellowJackets outscored the Majors in the first half, 24-8
- Freshman Sam Talbert scored a game-high 18 points, knocking down 6 3-pointers
- Millsaps limited to 27.9 percent from the field, including only 16.7 percent from beyond the arc

Monday's games
7 p.m. - Mary Hardin-Baylor at Trinity
7 p.m. - Ozarks vs. Dallas Christian
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 18, 2014, 09:43:34 AM
Monday's results
Mary Hardin-Baylor 78, Trinity 51
- 11 different players scored for the Cru, led by Jerard Graham's 16 points
- UMHB shot 51.7 percent in the first half to build a 37-20 lead at the half
- The Cru also won on the boards, 53-40

Dallas Christian 86, Ozarks 78
- Eagles trailed 42-31 at halftime and were down by as many as 18 in the second half
- Josh Berard scored 24 points to lead Ozarks
- Eagles shot only 34.2 percent in the loss

Tuesday's games
7 p.m. - Louisiana College at McNeese State
7:30 p.m. - Concordia Texas at Texas Lutheran
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 19, 2014, 09:58:28 AM
Tuesday's results
Concordia Texas 109, Texas Lutheran 93
- Four Tornados scored in double figures, led by Josh Sanchez's 26 points (including 6 3-pointers) in 28 minutes of action
- CTX outscored TLU 13-3 in the final 2:43 of the game
- Concordia shot 59.4 percent in the second half (51.6 percent for the game)

McNeese State 90, Louisiana College 63 (exhibition game)
- Anthony Gaines Jr. posted a double-double (15 pts./13 reb.) to lead the Wildcats
- LC shot only 27.5 percent from the floor
- The Wildcats had more offensive rebounds (25) than defensive boards (23) and scored 26 second-chance points
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 21, 2014, 10:08:57 AM
Plenty of ASC action happening this weekend. The only team that will not have opened up the 2014-15 season after this weekend is Louisiana College, which begins its ledger on Nov. 25.

Friday's games
5 p.m. - Mary Hardin-Baylor (1-0) vs. #11 Randolph-Macon (Hoopsville National Invitational Classic in Owings Mills, Md.)
6 p.m. - Howard Payne (0-0) vs. Dallas (Bob Mason Classic in Sherman)
6 p.m. - #22 Texas-Dallas (1-0) vs. MacMurray (Cavallo Classic in St. Louis)
7 p.m. - Texas-Tyler (0-0) at Rhodes
7:30 p.m. - LeTourneau (1-0) at Hendrix
8 p.m. - Ozarks (0-1) vs. Barclay
8 p.m. - Sul Ross State (0-0) at Austin College (Bob Mason Classic)

Saturday's games
1 p.m. - #22 Texas-Dallas at Webster (Cavallo Classic in St. Louis)
2 p.m. - Sul Ross State vs. Dallas (Bob Mason Classic in Sherman)
3 p.m. - East Texas Baptist (1-0) vs. Centenary
3 p.m. - Ozarks vs. Champion Baptist
4 p.m. - Concordia Texas (1-1) at Schreiner
4 p.m. - Howard Payne at Austin College (Bob Mason Classic)
4 p.m. - Texas-Tyler at Hendrix
5 p.m. - LeTourneau at Rhodes
5 p.m. - Mary Hardin-Baylor vs.    Gwynedd Mercy (Hoopsville National Invitational Classic in Owings Mills, Md.)
7 p.m. - Hardin-Simmons (1-0) at Southwestern
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 23, 2014, 10:18:05 PM
ASC teams went 8-9 against non-conference competition this weekend. The ASC posted a 2-5 record in Friday's games, but rallied to win 6 of the 10 games on Saturday. Texas-Dallas and Ozarks each went 2-0 over the weekend.

Friday's results
#11 Randolph-Macon 66, Mary Hardin-Baylor 62 (OT)
- The Cru trailed by double digits in the second half, but battled back to tie the game on Sidney DeLoach's layup with 8 seconds left
- Randolph-Macon held UMHB scoreless in the final 1:20 of OT
- The Cru shot 33.9 percent from the floor, but only 7.1 percent (1-of-14) from beyond the arc
- Jerard Graham scored a game-high 19 points

Dallas 71, Howard Payne 56
- The Yellow Jackets shot only 31.8 percent in their season opener
- Ty Davis led HPU with 13 points

#22 Texas-Dallas 86, MacMurray 81
- Comets held on after building a 21-point lead in the second half
- Four UTD players went into double figures, led by Rafael Farley's double-double of 18 points and 10 boards

Rhodes 64, Texas-Tyler 46
- The Patriots also exhibited shooting woes in their season opener, hitting only 33.3 percent of their attempts in the game
- UTT was 16.7 percent from downtown, and the Patriots were out-rebounded 38-24
- Chris Rios led UTT with 11 points

Hendrix 75, LeTourneau 67
- Roozario Wiggins recorded a double-double of 18 points/10 rebounds
- LeTourneau trailed 50-32 in second half, but scored 27 of next 39 points to pull within 3 with 4:14 to play
- Hendrix thwarted the comeback with a 6-0 run

Ozarks 89, Barclay 55
- Eagles shot 54.4 percent en route to picking up first win of the season
- Four of five starters registered double figures, led by Josh Berard's 20 points
- Ted Beard IV posted a double-double of 17 points/10 rebounds

Austin College 77, Sul Ross State 73
- Lobos trailed 70-55 with 5:52 left, but ripped off a 17-4 run that cut the deficit to 2 with 1:23 to go
- Sul Ross State got within one with 40 seconds left, but a pair of free throws by the 'Roos and a missed 3-pointer by the Lobos ended the game
- Stephon Holland led the Lobos with 15 points

Saturday's results
#22 Texas-Dallas 69, Webster 48
- UTD hit 14 3-pointers in the win
- Rafael Farley again led the way with 21 points
- Matthew Medell scored 12 of his 14 points from beyond the arc
- Comets led by as much as 28 in the game

Dallas 79, Sul Ross State 76 (OT)
- Dallas hit a 3-pointer with 28 seconds left in the second half to send game into OT
- Crusaders then opened OT on a 6-0 run; Lobos got back within one with 39 seconds left, but Dallas hit another layup to seal it
- Rocky Feliciano scored 23 points to pace Sul Ross State

East Texas Baptist 78, Centenary 64
- Jamil Samuel's double-double (18 points/11 boards) led the Tigers to their second win of the year
- Samuel also had 7 blocks
- ETBU shot 43.9 percent from the field

Ozarks 102, Champion Baptist 59
- Four starters combined for 57 points in the 43-point victory
- Kelby Robinson and Ted Beard IV tied for game-high 16 points; Beard also pulled down 12 rebounds

Concordia Texas 103, Schreiner 86
- Four Tornados scored in double figures, and CTX hit 15 3-pointers in the win
- Andre Potts scored a career-best 29 points and hit 7 3-pointers (6 in the first half)
- CTX shot 61 percent from the field, including 48.4 percent from beyond the arc

Austin College 72, Howard Payne 64
- HPU trailed by as much as 22 in the second half
- Yellow Jackets struggled from the field, shooting only 30.8 percent, including 15.4 percent (2-of-13) from downtown
- Brandon Gould scored a team-high 16 points

Texas-Tyler 76, Hendrix 72 (OT)
- Chris Rios hit a 3-pointer with 30 seconds left in second half to send game to OT
- Four Patriots scored in double figures, led by Anthony Gonzales' 20 points
- UTT forced 21 turnovers

Rhodes 83, LeTourneau 53
- Rhodes shot 57.9 percent from the field and forced 22 turnovers
- Shaquille Reed (11 points) was the only YellowJacket to reach double figures

Gwynedd Mercy 85, Mary Hardin-Baylor 65
- The Cru trailed 42-30 at halftime and never recovered
- GM led by as much as 30 points in the second half
- Kevin Waller led UMHB with 13 points, including 12 from beyond the arc

Hardin-Simmons 70, Southwestern 57
- The Cowboys led 51-46 with 10:52 to play in the second half, but a 13-5 run over the next six minutes put the game out of reach
- Christian O'Neal paced HSU with 21 points, while Derrick Jefferson added 20 before fouling out
- HSU never trailed in the contest
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 24, 2014, 10:29:55 AM
Week three for the ASC starts with a pair of non-conference games, but three league tilts are on the ledger this weekend.

Monday's games
7:30 p.m. - Hardin-Simmons at Schreiner
7:30 p.m. - Sul Ross State at Texas A&M-Commerce
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2014, 03:25:21 PM
Good job Tony.

Please remember. MacMurray is a Methodist school in Illinois.  UTD played that game in St Louis.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 24, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2014, 03:25:21 PM
Good job Tony.

Please remember. MacMurray is a Methodist school in Illinois.  UTD played that game in St Louis.

Correct. I tried to note games played at classics/invitationals in the daily schedule. I didn't put it in the results.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 24, 2014, 10:38:51 PM
Monday's results
Hardin-Simmons 59, Schreiner 58
- Weird ending to this game, as HSU missed a final attempt as time was winding down
- Schreiner grabbed the ball and threw it to the rafters before time expired and was called for a technical foul
- Derrick Jefferson hit both free throws with no time on the clock to give HSU the one-point win
- The Cowboys trailed at halftime, 27-26
- Jefferson led Hardin-Simmons with 16 points and five steals

Texas A&M-Commerce 100, Sul Ross State 75
- Lobos were out-rebounded by their D2 foe, 52-34
- Darrell Gardner led SRSU with 18 points
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tony_baldwin on November 26, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Conference season is off and running, as UTD is upset by Louisiana College on the first night.

Tuesday's results
Louisiana College 73, #19 Texas-Dallas 64 (game played at LSU-Alexandria) | BOX SCORE (http://lcwildcats.net/custompages/mbball/2015/14mbg01.htm)
- The Comets held a 39-33 lead at halftime
- The Wildcats shot 57.2 percent from the field in the game
- Texas-Dallas turned the ball over 21 times
- Anthony Gaines Jr. led LC with 24 points
- Rafael Farley had 25 points and 12 boards to pace UTD

Wednesday's games
5:30 p.m. - Sul Ross State at Texas-Permian Basin
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on December 04, 2014, 11:46:34 AM
Thanks for the game recaps, tony.  I know there isn't a whole lot of action on this board, but just wanted you to know that lurkers like myself appreciate the work.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2014, 09:27:03 AM
Why was UTD-LaCollege played at LSU-Alexandria?


I actually found my answer.  Thx.

QuoteLC was forced to play the game at LSUA with improvements to H.O. West not yet completed. The Wildcats will actually return here Monday, Nov. 1 when they will be the visiting team against the Generals in 7 p.m. matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on January 12, 2015, 03:59:27 PM
Other than a bad loss to ETBU, UMHB has played well and next plays HSU. I hope to make the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2015, 01:36:02 PM
http://www.ktbs.com/story/27878115/two-for-one-last-second-buckets-highlight-crazy-day-at-etbu

Women and Men

First women's win over HPU women since 2001!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on February 20, 2015, 08:18:05 AM
UMHB men beat UT-Dallas in the final seconds last night.  They are still in the running for the #1 seed in the upcoming ASC tournament.  Big game against HSU to close out the season is looming, though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:58:49 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2015, 07:03:39 PM
Congratulations ETBU!  82-71 over CTX.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on March 03, 2015, 10:43:28 AM
Evidently Clif Carroll from McM was not retained.  No official statement from McMurry, nothing on the website.  While I didn't know Coach Carroll too well, I thought he did the best he could with what he had.  Given the chance I think McM would have been competitive as they assimilated back into the ASC.  Tough times at McM right now.  Would really like to see an official statement from McMurry.  Nothing however.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2015, 09:01:32 PM
McMurry press release concerning Coach Carroll

QuoteABILENE, Texas – McMurry University Athletics has announced that Clif Carroll will not be returning as the school's men's basketball head coach. Carroll coached the War Hawks for two seasons, 2013-15, and compiled a record of 18-32.

"We appreciate the work that Clif put into our program," McM Director of Athletics Sam Ferguson said. "We wish Clif well in his future endeavors."

McMurry's teams went 12-15 in 2013-14 under Carroll and just completed a 6-17 campaign in 2014-15.

"I am thankful for the opportunity to have been a head coach and to have been closer to my family," Carroll said. "I appreciate the hard work, dedication and loyalty of the players. McMurry is a great program with lots of tradition and history. It's a program that deserves to be the 'gold standard' of NCAA Division III basketball in this region."

Ferguson said McMurry will launch a search immediately for Carroll's replacement.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2015, 09:05:31 PM
Now that the "oil patch" has busted again, and sober, drug-free holders of a Commercial Driver License (CDL in the lingo) cannot make $80,000 per year in the oil fields just west of Abilene, maybe some of those people will go back to college.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2015, 09:13:19 PM
Congrats ETBU!  Sweet 16!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2015, 09:58:36 PM
Cinderellas

ETBU versus Northwestern MN in the Sweet 16!.

Wow! Contrasting styles!

I am looking forward to that one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
Congratulations to ETBU, winners over Northwestern MN 70-46!

On to the Elite 8!

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2015, 09:44:53 PM
Final UWSP 45 ETBU 28.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2015, 10:43:43 AM
Congrats to Louisiana College, plus, time to wake up the ASC room!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2015/11/new-coach-leads-louisiana-college-to-d1-upset
Three of the most recent 20 D-III over D-I upsets are by current ASC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on November 23, 2015, 10:53:21 PM
Agreed, Pat! 

Also, UMHB wins a barn burner over Southwestern 110-108 in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2016, 07:18:51 PM
Can anyone tell me what the status is of Jamil Samuel from East Texas Baptist. The last time he played in a game was December 12th against Rust.

He's still listed on the roster so I assume it's an injury of some sort but I'm wondering of he's coming back at all?

Ralph, can you can help me out with this one?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2016, 07:27:26 PM
Sorry Magicman, I cannot help you.

The live video stream begins at 7:30 tonight against UT-Dallas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2016, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2016, 07:27:26 PM
Sorry Magicman, I cannot help you.

The live video stream begins at 7:30 tonight against UT-Dallas.

If you can't help me I probably will never find out. I thank you for getting back to me so soon Ralph. I drafted Jamil for my NCAA Futures team last month when we had the draft. I expected the Tigers to get back to the NCAA tournament and that he would be a big reason why. Also thought they might once again win a few games and get to the Sweet 16 at least. They were 7-1 with him in the lineup and 4-3 since he's been missing. They are still a good team but a return to the dance without Jamil will be difficult. Winning the automatic bid will be tough, and if they get another 4 or 5 losses by the end of the ASC tournament they will be hard pressed to get a Pool C bid. I'll have to soldier on without him I guess.  :(

Unless I get surprised in the next week or so and he does return to lead them to the promised land. I'll be checking out the game tonight for sure.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: ronk on January 21, 2016, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 21, 2016, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2016, 07:27:26 PM
Sorry Magicman, I cannot help you.

The live video stream begins at 7:30 tonight against UT-Dallas.

If you can't help me I probably will never find out. I thank you for getting back to me so soon Ralph. I drafted Jamil for my NCAA Futures team last month when we had the draft. I expected the Tigers to get back to the NCAA tournament and that he would be a big reason why. Also thought they might once again win a few games and get to the Sweet 16 at least. They were 7-1 with him in the lineup and 4-3 since he's been missing. They are still a good team but a return to the dance without Jamil will be difficult. Winning the automatic bid will be tough, and if they get another 4 or 5 losses by the end of the ASC tournament they will be hard pressed to get a Pool C bid. I'll have to soldier on without him I guess.  :(

Unless I get surprised in the next week or so and he does return to lead them to the promised land. I'll be checking out the game tonight for sure.   

  The Magicman goes to the ends of the earth in his quest for excellence in the fantasy world ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: magicman on January 21, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: ronk on January 21, 2016, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: magicman on January 21, 2016, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2016, 07:27:26 PM
Sorry Magicman, I cannot help you.

The live video stream begins at 7:30 tonight against UT-Dallas.

If you can't help me I probably will never find out. I thank you for getting back to me so soon Ralph. I drafted Jamil for my NCAA Futures team last month when we had the draft. I expected the Tigers to get back to the NCAA tournament and that he would be a big reason why. Also thought they might once again win a few games and get to the Sweet 16 at least. They were 7-1 with him in the lineup and 4-3 since he's been missing. They are still a good team but a return to the dance without Jamil will be difficult. Winning the automatic bid will be tough, and if they get another 4 or 5 losses by the end of the ASC tournament they will be hard pressed to get a Pool C bid. I'll have to soldier on without him I guess.  :(

Unless I get surprised in the next week or so and he does return to lead them to the promised land. I'll be checking out the game tonight for sure.   

  The Magicman goes to the ends of the earth in his quest for excellence in the fantasy world ;D

OK ronk here and on the Liberty League board...are you stalking me? :D  Plus K you made me laugh twice. 8-)

And a plus K to Ralph cause I know he would have helped me if he could have. And it's his karma #1600.I couldn't resist that. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2016, 04:18:33 PM
Samuel is not starting today either.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on January 23, 2016, 09:21:15 PM
I wonder how much longer Coach D will be at UMHB. I know that he has grown that program into a good one, one that has gone all the way to the 'ship. But losing today to Sul Ross has got to be the nail in the coffin. I've heard some things about his future, but I'll save those until the news comes out. With Football, women's golf, and volleyball kind of leading the way, and with the recent new women's coach hire from Baylor University, I've got to believe that having a solid program that can bring in athletes and be a force in the conference is a desire.

Thoughts?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2016, 05:01:47 PM
Despite technical problems over the last few weeks, Sunday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) has not been derailed by Mother Nature's rath! Three-feet of snow and still we will get two-hours of the show all thanks to that wonderful home studio.

Tonight, Dave McHugh talks to programs who are storming the competition right now. Whether in the midst of long winning streaks or dominating their conference, these programs are making the turn at five weeks to go in pretty good shape.

You can tune into Hoopsville tonight starting at 7:00 PM ET right here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan24

Guest include (in order):
- Cherise Galasso, WPI women's coach
- Gabby Lisella, No. 22 Rowan women's coach
- Kris Huffman, DePauw women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Mike McGrath, No. 12 Chicago men's coach
- Bert West, East Texas Baptist men's coast It isn't easy to coach at any level. It is a joy to coach Division III says many a coach. Some enjoy it on their way up the ladder, others on their way closer to retirement, and others as their passion.

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on January 25, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
2001, I know UMHB is having a rough year but this is only the second time in Coach DeWeese's long tenure that they have double digit losses.  Also, Sul Ross State is currently leading the West division of the ASC so a loss to them is not surprising despite the fact that they overcame an 18 point deficit.  I think it is way too premature to think about changing coaches.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 25, 2016, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: rimrocker on January 25, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
2001, I know UMHB is having a rough year but this is only the second time in Coach DeWeese's long tenure that they have double digit losses.  Also, Sul Ross State is currently leading the West division of the ASC so a loss to them is not surprising despite the fact that they overcame an 18 point deficit.  I think it is way too premature to think about changing coaches.

Let's not mention... we aren't that far removed from the national runner up which brought the school plenty of attention considering the title game was played in Atlanta at the actual Final Four. I don't think they would scuttle DeWeese for only a second double-digit loss season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:42:27 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
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6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2016, 09:37:55 AM
Having TLU at #2 and ETBU at #6 looks good for a 1st round set of games in Texas
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 10:57:48 AM
Ralph- I wouldn't bye into it. Two reasons:

- There are a LOT of losses in the South Region and thus a very good chance any team out of the south is going to be sitting at the selection table a VERY long time... if they are selected at all (considering they will have picked up more losses to be in that situation to begin with).
- When the vRRO gets put into the mix, teams like Texas Lutheran are going to take a hit. Unfortunately for TLU, Alma is the only other team outside of the region they have played, so they have to hope other teams in Texas get ranked. Right now that is only ETBU and I don't know if you can bet that will stay that way.

I actually foresee only two teams from Texas getting in this year and ONLY if Colorado College doesn't win the SCAC and TLU does win it. However, since we have two more rankings to look at things, I may change that opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2016, 12:42:32 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2016, 10:57:48 AM
Ralph- I wouldn't bye into it. Two reasons:

- There are a LOT of losses in the South Region and thus a very good chance any team out of the south is going to be sitting at the selection table a VERY long time... if they are selected at all (considering they will have picked up more losses to be in that situation to begin with).
- When the vRRO gets put into the mix, teams like Texas Lutheran are going to take a hit. Unfortunately for TLU, Alma is the only other team outside of the region they have played, so they have to hope other teams in Texas get ranked. Right now that is only ETBU and I don't know if you can bet that will stay that way.

I actually foresee only two teams from Texas getting in this year and ONLY if Colorado College doesn't win the SCAC and TLU does win it. However, since we have two more rankings to look at things, I may change that opinion.
Dave, thanks.

Do you see TLU and ETBU (or SCAC and ASC Pool A bids) being flown out?

Or do you see TLU and ETBU playing the first night and the winner being flown to a #1 Seed which got a bye?

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2016, 12:58:13 AM
I see it more likely the two of them play each other (yep, for the third time - avoiding in-season rematches in the first round only applies for "normal" situations) and one is flown out. One flight versus two? Easy math.

That said, I am not sure the NCAA or the committee wants to send a team by flight to their next game with basically no time to practice or prepare. I would probably see a team being flown to them. But so many circumstances have to line up to make this all work.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2016, 04:13:50 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2016, 12:58:13 AM
I see it more likely the two of them play each other (yep, for the third time - avoiding in-season rematches in the first round only applies for "normal" situations) and one is flown out. One flight versus two? Easy math.

That said, I am not sure the NCAA or the committee wants to send a team by flight to their next game with basically no time to practice or prepare. I would probably see a team being flown to them. But so many circumstances have to line up to make this all work.
TLU is still #1 in the South
Looking more like the case every day... ETBU to TLU and then TLU flown out (even as the #1 Team in the South Region.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
HSU 97 TLU 81.

GO ASC!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 08:08:18 PM
Benedictine 12, HSU 6  15:41 left in 1st Half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 08:22:43 PM
Benedictine 27, HSU 15  7 min left 1st half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 08:38:28 PM
Benedictine 38 HSU 21  Half
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 09:08:57 PM
Benedictine 54, HSU 41  Around 12 min left 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 09:42:50 PM
HSU got to within 10 points in the 2nd half, but could get no closer.  Sounds like most of that squad's going to be back, down the road.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2016, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 05, 2016, 09:42:50 PM
HSU got to within 10 points in the 2nd half, but could get no closer.  Sounds like most of that squad's going to be back, down the road.  ;)
I have to throw some props to Coach Ken Deweese and his 2013 finalist team.

He took UMHB out to play at Whitman and Whitworth in November.

They lost both games, but the team got to play in the gyms and make the trip.

The 2013 Men's Tourney was held to finish at the Final Four.
So UMHB got the bye and then hosted CTX for the second round after CTX beat Trinity.

UMHB was then shipped to Whitworth for the 3rd game. This time, the team was playing in a gym where they had played earlier in the season.

The 4th and 5th rounds were in Salem VA. St Mary's MD was the 4th round opponent. St Mary's MD had played Huntingdon in Salem VA on 01/01/2013, but UMHB defeated them 69-66.  The CRU defeated St Thomas in the next round and went onto the Final Four  in Atlanta to play Amherst.

I believe that that (EDIT: having played in the gym where a playoff game is occurring earlier in the season) takes away one variable on the way to a championship.

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Mary_Hardin-Baylor/Men/2012-13/index

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2016, 10:03:05 AM
Doesn't quite count as D3, because McMurry was in the first year of re-classification in 2012-13, but UA-LIttle Rock Head Coach Chris Beard was McMurry's Head Coach in the 2012-13 season.

Congratulations on making the Big Dance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2016, 02:27:00 PM
Congratulations to Brownfield (TX) HS and Coach Dustin Faught on winning the Class AAA UIL State Championship!

Coach Faught played for Coach Ron Holmes at McMurry about 2003-2006.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on September 19, 2016, 01:29:56 PM
This is a quiet board, but just in case anyone is lurking, we have all the ASC men's and women's basketball schedules posted for next season except for East Texas Baptist. If you click on the team pages, they will still default to last season for a little while. But you can get next season's schedules by switching the dates at the end of the URL.

http://d3hoops.com/teams/Hardin-Simmons/Men/2016-17/index
http://d3hoops.com/teams/Texas-Tyler/Women/2016-17/index
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2016, 11:13:56 PM
Nice win, McMurry 71 at Southwestern 70 (OT)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2017, 05:20:15 PM
Believe it or not... there is just one more month remaining in Division III basketball's regular season. In other words, time is running out for teams looking to play in March. One month from today, most conference champions will be crowned and the conversation will be who may be in and will be out of the NCAA championship tournament.

So as the season head's for the home stretch, what programs will we be talking about in a month? Who may emerge from some tight conferences races to prove they are the best?

Sunday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave hopes to turn the spotlight on a few programs others may not be paying attention to as much. Tufts' men's program is seperating themselves from the rest of the NESCAC, Elmhurst women are making the CCIW race more interesting than expected, LeTourneau men have turned their program around and now lead their ASC division, and Montclair State women have a battle on their hands in the NJAC.

Also on Sunday night, we head to the WBCA Center Court and talk to one of the up and coming women's basketball coaches. Already honored for his success at a young age, what has Alex Richay done to turn the Oglethorpe program around?

Dave will also preview the upcoming annual Hoopsville Marathon and give an update to this season's fundraising efforts.

Tune in starting at 7:00 PM ET to watch the show live here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan29 (or via Facebook Live). If you miss any of it, you can watch the show On Demand or listen (download) the podcast.

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Guests schedule (in order of appearance):
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- Tethanie Carriollo, Elmhurst women's coach
- Alex Richay, Oglethorpe women's coach (WBCA Center Court)
- Dan Miller, LeTourneau men's coach
- Karin Harvey, No. 18 Montclair State women's coach

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
http://mcmurrysports.com/news/2017/2/2/mens-basketball-mcm-hoops-player-to-miss-tonights-game-at-hpu-with-good-reason.aspx

Congrats to Thierry!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2017, 08:24:36 PM
Ran out of time today to get this out before the show started, but taking care if it now while I have the opportunity (during the show).

The time is now. Teams who want or think they should be playing in March need to get the job done now. This week all conferences, except the UAA, will dive into conference tournaments to determine who will win an automatic bid to the NCAA Championship Tournament. For those who can't win the AQ, then they have to make sure to present the best resume possible to the national committees and that means taking care of business the best they can.

Who is in and who is out? We will figure that out over the course of next week and on next week's Hoopsville Special. In the meantime on tonight's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to a few teams who are looking to position themselves to be in the conversation. We also preview many of the conference races and look at who may already be in trouble when it comes to playing basketball in March.

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Guests scheduled (in order of appearance):
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- Stan Bonewitz, Concordia (Texas) men's coach
- Matt Ducharme, Mass-Dartmouth women's coach
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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Congratulations to the Cowboys.

I am glad that you are hosting first round games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Congratulations to the Cowboys.

I am glad that you are hosting first round games.

Did I see a tweet from Pat during the selection show that said as top seed they paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting (so the NCAA could afford to pay to fly someone there) ?   Would love to know what the cost was as I never knew that was an option. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Congratulations to the Cowboys.

I am glad that you are hosting first round games.

Did I see a tweet from Pat during the selection show that said as top seed they paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting (so the NCAA could afford to pay to fly someone there) ?   Would love to know what the cost was as I never knew that was an option.

Absolutely not... that isn't at all what Pat's tweet said. Pat was indicating the the NCAA paid for an extra flight which allowed Hardin-Simmons to host. No one paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting. It isn't an option. It is just that the NCAA "allowed" one more than the minimum this bracket showed was necessary in terms of flights.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Congratulations to the Cowboys.

I am glad that you are hosting first round games.

Did I see a tweet from Pat during the selection show that said as top seed they paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting (so the NCAA could afford to pay to fly someone there) ?   Would love to know what the cost was as I never knew that was an option.

Absolutely not... that isn't at all what Pat's tweet said. Pat was indicating the the NCAA paid for an extra flight which allowed Hardin-Simmons to host. No one paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting. It isn't an option. It is just that the NCAA "allowed" one more than the minimum this bracket showed was necessary in terms of flights.

Great, now I have even more reason to be unhappy about them not doing the same thing for a 26-1 Trinity women's team that has already defeated two of the three teams (including the host) in their pod.   Thanks, Dave. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Congratulations to the Cowboys.

I am glad that you are hosting first round games.

Did I see a tweet from Pat during the selection show that said as top seed they paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting (so the NCAA could afford to pay to fly someone there) ?   Would love to know what the cost was as I never knew that was an option.

Absolutely not... that isn't at all what Pat's tweet said. Pat was indicating the the NCAA paid for an extra flight which allowed Hardin-Simmons to host. No one paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting. It isn't an option. It is just that the NCAA "allowed" one more than the minimum this bracket showed was necessary in terms of flights.

Great, now I have even more reason to be unhappy about them not doing the same thing for a 26-1 Trinity women's team that has already defeated two of the three teams (including the host) in their pod.   Thanks, Dave.

No way the NCAA was going to pay to get everyone to Trinity. They are already paying for enough flights on the women's side (look at the second weekend which is unavoidable). They had to be smart on the women's side and they had an easy 500-mile solution on the women's side that on the men's side wasn't as easy to solve.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Congratulations to the Cowboys.

I am glad that you are hosting first round games.

Did I see a tweet from Pat during the selection show that said as top seed they paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting (so the NCAA could afford to pay to fly someone there) ?   Would love to know what the cost was as I never knew that was an option.

Absolutely not... that isn't at all what Pat's tweet said. Pat was indicating the the NCAA paid for an extra flight which allowed Hardin-Simmons to host. No one paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting. It isn't an option. It is just that the NCAA "allowed" one more than the minimum this bracket showed was necessary in terms of flights.

Great, now I have even more reason to be unhappy about them not doing the same thing for a 26-1 Trinity women's team that has already defeated two of the three teams (including the host) in their pod.   Thanks, Dave.

No way the NCAA was going to pay to get everyone to Trinity. They are already paying for enough flights on the women's side (look at the second weekend which is unavoidable). They had to be smart on the women's side and they had an easy 500-mile solution on the women's side that on the men's side wasn't as easy to solve.

Just as with HSU, it would have been precisely one more plane trip since UT-D could get on the bus to SA just like Trinity is doing to Dallas.   I'm happy HSU gets to host, but what's good for the gander should have been equally good for the goose.

I would pay good money to have someone go back over the last ten years and see how many times the 500-mile rule has cost schools hosting duties, and which schools were impacted the most.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
I'm not sure what you are trying to imply... that maybe the men were able to get something the women weren't. My reply would be that the women have far more flights in the second weekend due to the nature of the teams involved (especially the top teams) than the men's bracket. The NCAA does tear these things a part. If the women could break it up with another flight, I also trust they wouldn't have focused on Texas but rather the Northwest to get an NWC team out of the hell pod there.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2017, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
I'm not sure what you are trying to imply... that maybe the men were able to get something the women weren't. My reply would be that the women have far more flights in the second weekend due to the nature of the teams involved (especially the top teams) than the men's bracket. The NCAA does tear these things a part. If the women could break it up with another flight, I also trust they wouldn't have focused on Texas but rather the Northwest to get an NWC team out of the hell pod there.

LOL   ;)

I have always liked the idea of setting the brackets as East and West of the Mississippi River.

The ASC (except Belhaven). SCAC, Hendrix, some SLIAC's, IIAC, assorted MIAC's, NWC, SCIAC's and UC Banana Slug would compete for the West Slot of Finals and every one else would compete for the "East" slot in the Finals!

;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2017, 11:40:56 AM
Congratulations to the Cowboys.

I am glad that you are hosting first round games.

Did I see a tweet from Pat during the selection show that said as top seed they paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting (so the NCAA could afford to pay to fly someone there) ?   Would love to know what the cost was as I never knew that was an option.

Absolutely not... that isn't at all what Pat's tweet said. Pat was indicating the the NCAA paid for an extra flight which allowed Hardin-Simmons to host. No one paid the NCAA for the privilege of hosting. It isn't an option. It is just that the NCAA "allowed" one more than the minimum this bracket showed was necessary in terms of flights.

Great, now I have even more reason to be unhappy about them not doing the same thing for a 26-1 Trinity women's team that has already defeated two of the three teams (including the host) in their pod.   Thanks, Dave.

No way the NCAA was going to pay to get everyone to Trinity. They are already paying for enough flights on the women's side (look at the second weekend which is unavoidable). They had to be smart on the women's side and they had an easy 500-mile solution on the women's side that on the men's side wasn't as easy to solve.

Just as with HSU, it would have been precisely one more plane trip since UT-D could get on the bus to SA just like Trinity is doing to Dallas.   I'm happy HSU gets to host, but what's good for the gander should have been equally good for the goose.

I would pay good money to have someone go back over the last ten years and see how many times the 500-mile rule has cost schools hosting duties, and which schools were impacted the most.

The women are already going to have twice as many flights in this tournament as the men.  I suspect the HSU flight was in order to make what's good for the goose good for the gander.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2017, 10:48:35 PM
Congrats HSU. Great game. Fabulous stats.

HSU 109 LaGrange 103.

HSU vs Emory tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2017, 12:52:59 AM
Just curious.

When was the last time 212 points were scored in a Playoff game?

When was the last time that 2 teams hit 100 in regulation in a playoff game?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 04, 2017, 01:40:17 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2017, 12:52:59 AM
Just curious.

When was the last time 212 points were scored in a Playoff game?

When was the last time that 2 teams hit 100 in regulation in a playoff game?

Probably not the last time, but IWU beat Grinnell 132-91 in 2001 (223 combined points).

In 2012, IWU beat Hope 108-101 in double OT, but well under 100 in regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2017, 10:14:42 PM
HSU 95; Emory 85!

Nice win Cowboys!  Beating a UAA squad, one of the Big Boys!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 05, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
HSU is in the sweet 16, but there sure don't seem to be many HSU fans on this board.  It looks like the real challenge comes next, against the #1 ranked D3 team in the country, Whitworth.  What does HSU have to do to beat these guys?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2017, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 05, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
HSU is in the sweet 16, but there sure don't seem to be many HSU fans on this board.  It looks like the real challenge comes next, against the #1 ranked D3 team in the country, Whitworth.  What does HSU have to do to beat these guys?

Whitman, but close enough.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2017, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 05, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
HSU is in the sweet 16, but there sure don't seem to be many HSU fans on this board.  It looks like the real challenge comes next, against the #1 ranked D3 team in the country, Whitworth.  What does HSU have to do to beat these guys?

Whitman, but close enough.

The damn Whits... I screw them up at least once a week. LOL

Doesn't help we have normally talked about Whitworth all the time and Whitman has stormed into the conversation in the past 15 months.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 05, 2017, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2017, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 05, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
HSU is in the sweet 16, but there sure don't seem to be many HSU fans on this board.  It looks like the real challenge comes next, against the #1 ranked D3 team in the country, Whitworth.  What does HSU have to do to beat these guys?

Whitman, but close enough.

The damn Whits... I screw them up at least once a week. LOL

Doesn't help we have normally talked about Whitworth all the time and Whitman has stormed into the conversation in the past 15 months.

I always confuse them too, should just be Worth and Man I don't think I would screw them up as easily!

I haven't watched a ton of HSU play (mainly just D3 hoops invitational for a bit and this weekend), but I think they will have a decisive size advantage and will really help on the boards. Whitman likes high possession games, which I also get the feel from this HSU team. Could be one of the more interesting games of the Sweet Sixteen! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 06, 2017, 10:38:31 PM
You're right, Whitman.  Whitworth came to Texas several years ago for a post-season sectional in Belton, and ended up victorious.  I notice both Whitman and HSU hosted last week, so they had the audience on their side.  This game will be in neutral territory, which will make it more interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 06, 2017, 11:23:47 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 05, 2017, 10:37:35 PM

I haven't watched a ton of HSU play (mainly just D3 hoops invitational for a bit and this weekend), but I think they will have a decisive size advantage and will really help on the boards. Whitman likes high possession games, which I also get the feel from this HSU team. Could be one of the more interesting games of the Sweet Sixteen!

I've liked HSU all season, though their early start was rough. They weren't healthy and running as a full team until just after Christmas at the D3hops.com Classic where I got to see them. They are a very good and under appreciated team. Nathaniel Jack is incredible. He can do it all! Add in Ford inside and a number of other players ... and they are very good.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 08, 2017, 01:43:54 AM
Speaking of the Cowboys, here's a nice feature on Coach Carse by Brian Lester.

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/carse-fitting-finale
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
The Division III NCAA tournaments have already seen their fair share of twists and turns. Both defending champions eliminated on the opening night, several home teams beaten, off-the-radar squads tearing Top 10 teams apart, and much more.

It has been an exciting start. What's next?

Can the home teams parlay a perceived advantage into a Championship Weekend appearence? What Cinderalla team will hear the chimes of midnight? What program will continue to make history? How will the battle of Top 25 teams shake out? And will a storied career end this weekend or in Salem?

There is plenty to talk about ahead of the Sectional Weekend and Dave McHugh has a super-sized list of guests on Thursday night's Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com).

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 12, 2017, 02:39:34 PM
Coach Carse has announced his retirement at HSU.  What happens next?  This year was about the seniors; what are the other players like?  And are there plans for a transition to a new coach, or will they do a search?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2017, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: mcmfan on March 12, 2017, 02:39:34 PM
Coach Carse has announced his retirement at HSU.  What happens next?  This year was about the seniors; what are the other players like?  And are there plans for a transition to a new coach, or will they do a search?

He was actually going to retire last year, but the seniors DROVE up to Montana to talk him into coming back for a year.

I believe they are doing a national search, but I can't remember where I heard that from. This team loses a LOT of players off this team. I think it will be rebuild time at HSC starting next year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 12, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
Interesting...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
I saw that LeTourneau and Concordia Texas were favored by large margins to win their divisions.

http://ascsports.org/news/2017/10/25/mens-basketball-letourneau-concordia-texas-picked-to-win-mens-hoops.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
I saw that LeTourneau and Concordia Texas were favored by large margins to win their divisions.

http://ascsports.org/news/2017/10/25/mens-basketball-letourneau-concordia-texas-picked-to-win-mens-hoops.aspx?path=mbball

LeTourneau beat a d1 team last night in a game that counted for the other school, so they're probably decent.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 13, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
I saw that LeTourneau and Concordia Texas were favored by large margins to win their divisions.

http://ascsports.org/news/2017/10/25/mens-basketball-letourneau-concordia-texas-picked-to-win-mens-hoops.aspx?path=mbball

LeTourneau beat a d1 team last night in a game that counted for the other school, so they're probably decent.
LET U 99 Northwestern (LA) State 84  (Southland Conference)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2017, 09:13:00 PM
Good win by CTX over Pre-season #18 Guilford, 68-67 at Guilford!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 17, 2017, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2017, 09:13:00 PM
Good win by CTX over Pre-season #18 Guilford, 68-67 at Guilford!
Concordia is a good team, but GC squandered a lead and missed enough FTs to have won.  Marcus Curry, who scored 31 at Greensboro on Wednesday, left the game with an injury after 14 minutes and 4 points ... hope he is okay.  Disappointing finish, but congratulations to the Tornados. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
Thanks, Hasanova. Your assessment makes sense re: the relative strengths of the 2 squads.  Thanks for putting it into perspective.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2017, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
Thanks, Hasanova. Your assessment makes sense re: the relative strengths of the 2 squads.  Thanks for putting it into perspective.
You're welcome, Ralph.  The two days ended with all four teams at 1-1.  Consider these four scores:

Huntingdon 80, Hampden-Sydney 60
Concordia 68, Guilford 67
Hampden-Sydney 83, Concordia 80
Guilford 90, Huntingdon 63

Honestly, over a prolonged season in a league, I think I would rank them GC-CTX-HSC-HC, but the scores over two days leave you shaking your head.  I will say HSC handled the CTX press better than GC did.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2017, 09:05:23 AM
Looks like new HSU head coach Matt Brackett is having a tough start to his college coaching career, as the Cowboys have dropped their opening three games to teams predicted to finish 2nd, 4th, and 5th in the SCAC.   They lost a lot to graduation so perhaps the team will come along as the season progresses. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 12, 2017, 09:31:04 AM
Speaking of HPU. They lose to LeTourneau 98-63 as Nate West plays the full 40 minutes in a 35-pt game? He must have really wanted that triple double.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on December 22, 2017, 07:21:52 PM
Self admittedly, I have not followed Cru basketball as much as football, so I may not be looking in the right direction, but it seems crazy to me that they have not done anything since their national championship run a few years back. I would guess that the state is loaded with talent, so recruiting shouldn't be an issue. Why have The Cru not done anything since their title run?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:45:50 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
In the first regional rankings we have  SRSU #5, ETBU #7 & LeTU at #8. No SCAC team is ranked. I think that we may only have 2 Texas teams in the Playoffs, so they are likely to be flown out of here.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
In the first regional rankings we have  SRSU #5, ETBU #7 & LeTU at #8. No SCAC team is ranked. I think that we may only have 2 Texas teams in the Playoffs, so they are likely to be flown out of here.

They would have to be flown out if only two Texas schools come out ... unless there is someone close enough to drive to one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2018, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
In the first regional rankings we have  SRSU #5, ETBU #7 & LeTU at #8. No SCAC team is ranked. I think that we may only have 2 Texas teams in the Playoffs, so they are likely to be flown out of here.

They would have to be flown out if only two Texas schools come out ... unless there is someone close enough to drive to one of them.
The only non-SCAC teams close enough to be bussed to any Texas venue are Rhodes, Hendrix and Millsaps plus B-SC to ETBU! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2018, 11:48:28 AM
Wait... what?! Who won? Hold on, who lost?!

How did... but they... so... wow... okay.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:05:16 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:43:32 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2018, 10:50:30 PM
Congrats to Coach Carroll and the Lobos!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
So happy for LeTU to make the tourney!

High winning percentage and they were stung by the low SOS, especially after scheduling a lot SCAC teams in the non-conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2018, 07:08:54 PM
LeTU beat Hanover 85-77 in first round action at Emory.

They play the winner of Emory/Berry!
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Nice win for the program and the ASC.

Sully right there with St. Olaf early 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2018, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Nice win for the program and the ASC.

Sully right there with St. Olaf early 2nd half.
St Olaf has led by 3-7 points most of the 2nd half.

The Oles pulled away in the last 3-5 minutes.  (I could not see the time clock on the video feed.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2018, 12:32:11 AM

That was a frustrating game to watch. SRSU was playing excellent defense most of the game, but just seemed futile on defense.  When they got desperate at the end and winning wasn't really in the cards, they started being aggressive on the offensive end and doing the kinds of things that, had they done them earlier, would've won the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2018, 10:55:39 AM
Thanks for the commentary, Ryan.  I am always interested in which styles of play that we see in the ASC match-up with those in the other parts of the country. When we have seen deep runs by ASC teams, I believe that it has been due to favorable mis-matches in styles of play.  In any case, UW-P will be formidable  for the Oles.

I am guarded about my predicted outcome in the LeTU-Emory game.  We will see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2018, 08:49:03 PM
Great game by LeTourneau at Emory,  losing 83-82 in the Round of 32.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:30:12 AM
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

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While the end prize of this tournament is a monetary prize, being a D3-lifer, the goal is not the money (we all know that's not why we get into coaching), the goal is to bring an end to the stigma of Division 3 basketball, an awareness of how talented our student-athletes are and that we can compete (and win) against the best. We do need to raise funds for an entry fee, travel, meal and housing expenses for the athletes. In order to do this, we are conducting a crowd-funding campaign through GoFundMe to help make this a reality. These athletes need your support! Just think -- if every Division 3 school donated just $10, we will have raised over $4,000!!!! The link to the GoFundMe Page is below and please SPREAD THE WORD and email me with any questions/concerns at WeAreD3TBT@gmail.com. Thank you in advance for your support and Dave and I look forward to this "D3 Dream Team" taking the court this summer.-Mike Rejniak

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 26, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
UMHB men have looked good in the early going. I really hope they can get somewhere this year. It wasn't that long ago when they were playing in the National Championship, yet they haven't even sniffed anything near that recently. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 26, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
UMHB men have looked good in the early going. I really hope they can get somewhere this year. It wasn't that long ago when they were playing in the National Championship, yet they haven't even sniffed anything near that recently. Here's hoping.

More than five years since we saw them in the title game. :)

And the ASC has a lot of good basketball in it right now ... most of it on UMHB's side of the divisional breakdown.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on December 02, 2018, 06:52:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 27, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 26, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
UMHB men have looked good in the early going. I really hope they can get somewhere this year. It wasn't that long ago when they were playing in the National Championship, yet they haven't even sniffed anything near that recently. Here's hoping.

More than five years since we saw them in the title game. :)

And the ASC has a lot of good basketball in it right now ... most of it on UMHB's side of the divisional breakdown.

They just lost to Letourneau. Not sure how that will affect them. Hopefully they can bounce back.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:19:07 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:26:33 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:41:05 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 28, 2019, 05:31:55 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2019, 10:05:51 PM
A Final Four note...

Then McMurry AD Ron Holmes gave current Texas Tech head coach Chris Beard his first head coaching job, in the 2012-13 season. That was the first year of the re-classification at McMurry.  At the end of that season, he was offered the head job at Angelo State, where he was a winner, too.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2019, 05:37:57 PM
I am posting this as a tribute to all of the coaches who are working at levels below D-1, who love the game as much as Coach Beard.

I think that we have a high proportion of them in our circles.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/story/2019-04-05/zeigler-chris-beard-texas-tech-ncaa-final-four-coaches
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2019, 09:34:07 PM
I like the non-conference schedule that Clif Carroll (SRSU) has played this year.

11/19   at George Fox •   Final   L, 93-76   BX
11/22   at Whitman •   Final   L, 94-78   BX RC
@ Forest Grove, Ore. (Stoller Center)
11/23   at Pacific •   Final   W, 112-106   BX
11/29   at Colorado College •   Final   W, 74-67   BX
11/30   vs. JWU-Denver   Final   W, 91-76   BX
12/14   at Texas Lutheran •   Final   W, 80-65   BX PH
12/16   at Trinity (Texas) •   Final - OT   L, 92-90   BX
12/17   at Schreiner •   Final   L, 83-78   BX
12/29   at North Central (Ill.) •   Final   L, 83-79   
@ Concordia (Texas)
12/30   vs. Illinois Wesleyan • Final L, 82-81
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 02, 2020, 11:51:06 AM
For Ralph and anyone else who follows ASC men's BB - a story from San Antonio TV station KENS on Curtis Allen, a senior at UT-D who suffered a cardiac arrest (and survived!) during an early-season game against Redlands:  link (https://www.kens5.com/article/features/curtis-allen-south-san-basketball-star-cardiac-arrest-second-chance/273-d5737a93-809e-4d77-b6ad-c8b7001ee580)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 02, 2020, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2019, 09:34:07 PM
I like the non-conference schedule that Clif Carroll (SRSU) has played this year.

11/19   at George Fox •   Final   L, 93-76   BX
11/22   at Whitman •   Final   L, 94-78   BX RC
@ Forest Grove, Ore. (Stoller Center)
11/23   at Pacific •   Final   W, 112-106   BX
11/29   at Colorado College •   Final   W, 74-67   BX
11/30   vs. JWU-Denver   Final   W, 91-76   BX
12/14   at Texas Lutheran •   Final   W, 80-65   BX PH
12/16   at Trinity (Texas) •   Final - OT   L, 92-90   BX
12/17   at Schreiner •   Final   L, 83-78   BX
12/29   at North Central (Ill.) •   Final   L, 83-79   
@ Concordia (Texas)
12/30   vs. Illinois Wesleyan • Final L, 82-81

A lot of travel by plane ... hope they get a couple of those teams to return the favor next season.

Edit:  the last two games were at Concordia, not IL, so not as much travel as I originally thought.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 04:34:50 PM
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Things are heating up in Division III as the first set of Regional Rankings are due out next week.

Sunday night on Hoopsville, we chat with a few teams not only trying to stay atop their conference races, but also hoping they are either in or near the top of the Regional Rankings.

We also take a look at the women's Top 25 poll. What changes might we see this week with not only one of the bigger in-season upsets in recent history, but also a number of other interesting results from the week before. And yes, we will chat about the men's Top 25 as well.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:14:32 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:38:43 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on February 27, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
Another abismal season of underachievement for UMHB basketball. There is seemingly no offensive scheme, too many threes, and a poor use of talent. UMHB needs to hire a new coach. I love Deweese, but we need a fresh start.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on February 27, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
Another abismal season of underachievement for UMHB basketball. There is seemingly no offensive scheme, too many threes, and a poor use of talent. UMHB needs to hire a new coach. I love Deweese, but we need a fresh start.

Seemed to me they were dealing with other things than on the court. Didn't they get pretty banged up this season?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on February 28, 2020, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on February 27, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
Another abismal season of underachievement for UMHB basketball. There is seemingly no offensive scheme, too many threes, and a poor use of talent. UMHB needs to hire a new coach. I love Deweese, but we need a fresh start.

Seemed to me they were dealing with other things than on the court. Didn't they get pretty banged up this season?

Yes, they did...lost both of their PG's in the first handful of games which caused a lot of guys to play out of normal positions.  Then had guys miss various, important games, in division play that set them back as well.  The fact they won 15 games is amazing and is a testament to good coaching and scheme.  Not to mention, they averaged 84.7 points per game which is really good at the college level.  I'd say that is quite the over reaction and there is no need for a "fresh start"....they return most of their contributors next season as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2020, 10:47:28 PM
Congratulations LeTU!  (82-79 over ETBU in Alpine)
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2020, 09:48:33 PM
Congratulations to LETU's Nate West, 1st team All-American and Player of the Year.

https://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/2020
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 12, 2020, 07:01:11 PM
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Just days before the start of the 2019-20 season, Glenn Robinson announced he was retiring from coaching. He was the first domino to fall. Since then, more than 4,000-wins have been taken out of the active record books thanks to the retirements of a number of the division's and sport's best coaches.

In what is the first of a two-part May Podcast, Dave chats with some of those who announced their retirements since the season ended. What drove them to the decision to walk away? What will they remember about their careers (many at a single institution)? And will they still be part of the game?

Guests include:
- Dave Hixon, Amherst men's coach (42 seasons, 826 wins)
- Ken DeWeese, Mary Hardin-Baylor men's coach (21 seasons, 400 wins)
- Carol LaHaye, Randolph-Macon women's coach (38 season, 647 wins)
- Grey Giovanine, Augustana men's coach (21 seasons, 433 wins)

Dave also has a brief idea of what is being discussed when it comes to the coronavirus and the challenges institutions face both on campus and with athletics. Plus, the Hoopsville Notebook has updates on moving the three-point line, Regional Realignment/Expansion, and even the Wild Williams World of Sports.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 15, 2020, 04:37:32 PM
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With the number of significant retirements on the men's side of Division III basketball, there is plenty to talk about in the month of May. Thus, we needed a "Part 2" this month.

On this "Hoopsville Podcast: May Edition (Part 2)", we talk about what is arguably one of the most significant retirement classes of coaches in the history of Division III - especially on the men's side of things.

Pat Coleman, Ryan Scott, and Bob Quillman join Dave McHugh to chat about those who retired, the number of wins and the high-level of success they had, and even if trying to have a Mt. Rushmore of DIII coaching who might be considered (some coaches you may have forgotten about are mentioned).

Plus - if not for the number of significant retirements, the biggest news in Division III off-season so far would likely be Eric Bridgeland picking up and moving to Southern California. Bridgeland joins Dave to talk about his Whitman program, the success, and the decision to start anew at Redlands and the SCIAC.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:07:15 PM
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The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:18:04 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 17, 2020, 05:34:33 PM
True To The Cru will be covering all things UMHB men's basketball this upcoming season, including live game coverage. Check out our website, truetothecru.com, for all the latest UMHB news. Let me know what kinds of men's basketball coverage you'd like to see, and we'll do our best to do that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 28, 2020, 12:36:54 AM
UMHB took down Hardin-Simmons tonight in Abilene. Read all about the Cru's narrow 83-80 victory, including who stood out, and what the Cru need to improve heading into tomorrow's contest at McMurry.

https://truetothecru.com/2020/11/27/umhb-earns-its-first-victory-of-the-season-in-a-hard-fought-showdown-against-hardin-simmons/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 15, 2021, 08:30:00 AM
UMHB played some great defense as Josiah Johnson and Kae'ron Baker went head to head. Read all about UMHB's win over Louisiana College on Thursday night.
https://truetothecru.com/2021/01/14/umhb-mens-basketball-captures-win-in-conference-opener-over-louisiana-college/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:16:36 PM
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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.

On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.

We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:46:19 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 04, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Yes, disappointing news for sure. Here's the UMHB perspective: https://truetothecru.com/2021/02/04/all-is-not-lost-a-national-championship-run-may-be-taken-away-for-the-umhb-basketball-teams-but-the-season-is-far-from-over/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 13, 2021, 11:01:14 PM
The ASC West and ASC East division leaders met up in Belton today. It would be an understatement to say the game lived up to its expectations.
https://truetothecru.com/2021/02/13/umhb-mens-basketball-truly-tested-in-a-narrow-victory-over-east-texas-baptist/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 19, 2021, 02:26:23 PM
Thomas Orr helped UMHB become the first team from the state of Texas to reach the national championship game in 2013. Now, he's leading the Cru as an assistant coach on Clif Carroll's staff.
"Getting to the national championship, unfortunately losing, that's what really lit the fire that burns every single day," said Orr. "This school, this program deserves a national championship. I just want to be a part of that." -Thomas Orr
https://truetothecru.com/2021/02/19/thomas-orr-led-the-cru-to-the-national-championship-game-as-a-player-now-hes-looking-to-do-it-as-an-assistant-coach/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 07, 2021, 03:55:51 PM
UMHB finishes the conference schedule at 13-0. Very impressive. This was a team that would've gone deep in the NCAA tournament.
https://truetothecru.com/2021/03/06/umhb-mens-basketball-beats-howard-payne-96-66-finishes-regular-season-13-0-in-asc-play/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on August 23, 2021, 09:02:15 PM
UMHB men's basketball will face D1 UT-Arlington on Nov. 13. It will be the Mavericks' homecoming game and is set for 7 p.m. in Arlington. UMHB will also host Southwestern on Nov. 9.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/08/21/umhb-mens-basketball-to-face-ut-arlington-in-non-conference-play/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on September 20, 2021, 12:11:48 AM
UMHB has released its entire 2021-22 schedule. The Cru open the season against Southwestern on Nov. 9 and will also play at the D3hoops.com Classic on Dec. 29 and Dec. 30 in Las Vegas.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/09/19/umhb-mens-basketballs-2021-22-schedule-features-top-tier-competition-trip-to-d3hoops-com-classic/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 08, 2021, 12:14:55 PM
UMHB men's basketball adds another D1 opponent to its schedule in Stephen F. Austin. Tip off is set for Thursday at 6:30 p.m. CT.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/08/umhb-mens-basketball-adds-a-second-d-i-opponent-to-schedule-in-stephen-f-austin/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 09, 2021, 10:56:12 PM
Great showing tonight by The Cru. Josiah Johnson started cold then came on red hot in their 100 pt effort, 20 pt win over Southwestern.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 12, 2021, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 09, 2021, 10:56:12 PM
Great showing tonight by The Cru. Josiah Johnson started cold then came on red hot in their 100 pt effort, 20 pt win over Southwestern.

Yeah, they definitely played well against Southwestern, though the defense will need to be improved moving forwards. We saw a little bit of that last night against SFA, but in the second half, I was really impressed by what I saw. If they had put together a first half like they did in the second, I have no doubt the score would've been much closer. Here's what Clif Carroll had to say postgame:
https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/12/umhb-mens-basketball-overcomes-early-struggles-with-notable-second-half-in-79-63-loss-to-stephen-f-austin/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 14, 2021, 02:23:16 PM
UMHB faced two D-1 opponents this week in Stephen F. Austin and UT-Arlington and looked pretty good doing it. Braedyn Dawes was really impressive from three point range in both games, and last night, the Cru clearly were better on the offensive end. Ball movement is key and I think the defense is only getting better. Tremendous improvement from the Southwestern game to the UTA game last night defensively, in terms of confidence and aggressiveness.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/14/umhb-mens-hoops-finds-three-point-rhythm-in-midst-of-104-75-loss-at-ut-arlington/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 20, 2021, 09:26:58 PM
I'm at the Milwaukee Bucks game and on the big screen they said that the LeTourneau team was at the game. Pretty to get two wins at Carroll U and then hit the Bucks game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 28, 2021, 10:14:19 AM
Josiah Johnson could not be stopped last night...40 points for the junior guard...now averaging 32.0 PPG over 3 games, all wins, for the Cru this season. The ball movement from UMHB has been impressive. They have so much depth, they can play fast and go extremely hard on every play...20 different players got in for the Cru yesterday, and Gibson Hearne and Carson Hammond, who are normally starters, sat out for precautionary reasons due to minor injuries. This might be the deepest team we've ever seen in Belton, and even the guys on the end of the bench are talented...young, yes, but they have size and a good feel for the game.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/11/28/40-points-from-johnson-guides-umhb-mens-basketball-to-110-91-win-over-arlington-baptist/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 03, 2021, 05:26:05 PM
UMHB men's basketball tips off ASC play tonight against Ozarks. Should be a great contest, and it is also the only ASC game on the slate tonight. We'll see how the No. 11 Crusaders fair in the conference opener. Tip off at 8 pm in Belton.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/02/conference-play-begins-for-umhb-mens-and-womens-basketball-friday-night/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 04, 2021, 10:36:56 AM
A couple of thought's on last night's ASC showdown between No. 11 UMHB (now 1-0 ASC) and Ozarks (now 0-4 ASC)...Final: UMHB, 87, Ozarks, 67

-UMHB came out with a excellent offense, breaking Ozarks' 2-3 zone D and working the ball into the paint. That gave the Cru a dominant 19-3 lead just over 6 minutes into the contest

-Nation's No. 2 scorer Josiah Johnson (32.0 PPG entering game) was in foul trouble for much of the game, picking up 3 first-half fouls. He did score 16 but the rest of the rotation definitely stepped up, as sharpshooter Carson Hammond was also out for the second straight game.

-Ozarks' Grayson Nix is a player I see as being a First-Team or Second-Team All-ASC by the time the year is over. He hit 3 tough three-pointers last night and made several nice plays driving to the lane. 14 points for him.

-UMHB's Ty Prince finished with a triple-double...22 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists for the senior forward

Full game story here: https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/04/behind-princes-triple-double-umhb-mens-hoops-rolls-to-87-67-conference-opening-win/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 09, 2021, 12:25:31 AM
Really like this quote from UMHB HC Clif Carroll on the Crusaders' No. 9 ranking in the D3hoops.com Top 25 poll:

"It's cool being in the Top 10 in the country. It's fun for the kids, it's a good recruiting tool and it's good publicity for the school. That stuff is great, but we can't be consumed by it. We don't play for rankings, we play for championships."

The Cru battles Hardin-Simmons on Saturday in quite possibly its toughest test of the season yet, as the Cowboys received votes in the most recent Top 25 poll. Tip-off in Abilene is at 3 p.m. CT. But first, UMHB must get past McMurry, who I believe might be one of the more underrated teams in the ASC.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/08/umhb-mens-and-womens-basketball-prepare-for-asc-road-openers-in-abilene/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 10, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
No. 9 UMHB men's basketball is now 5-0 following last night's 86-67 win over McMurry...

Takeaways from the game:

-Josiah Johnson continues to score from everywhere on the floor for UMHB...31 points last night for the junior. Had one stretch where he got a layup to go, and then followed that with threes on each of the Cru's next two possessions.

-McMurry revealed some weaknesses defensively for UMHB. Credit the War Hawks, who came out playing fast and held an 11-8 lead about five minutes in. The Crusaders will need to improve in their defensive play in the paint before Hardin-Simmons tomorrow.

-Speaking of HSU, that will be a huge game in the world of D3 MBB...a win for HSU would likely put the Cowboys in the Top 25 as they are 7-1, with a close loss to Trinity, and beat Concordia, a team who defeated D-I Incarnate Word, by 20+ pts last night. A win for UMHB should put the Cru up to No. 8 or even maybe No. 7 in next week's Top 25 poll.

Read the full article from last night's game: https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/10/umhb-mens-basketball-gets-past-mcmurry-on-the-road-86-67/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 17, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
UMHB men's basketball bounces back after loss at Hardin-Simmons to take down UT-Dallas 79-69 in Belton:

https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/17/umhb-mens-basketball-earns-79-69-win-over-ut-dallas/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 20, 2021, 01:27:07 PM
As the first part of the ASC schedule has been wrapped up, take a look at how one of the premier ASC men's hoops showdowns of the month played out, when Mary Hardin-Baylor (3-1 ASC) battled LeTourneau (4-0 ASC) on Saturday afternoon...

https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/18/11-0-overtime-run-gives-umhb-mens-hoops-91-86-win-over-letourneau/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 28, 2021, 11:44:06 PM
To Las Vegas and the D3hoops.com Classic UMHB will go...the Cru is getting set to battle Pacific Lutheran on Wednesday and Saint Mary's Thursday. Better have your coffee ready, 11 pm CT start Wednesday and 10 pm CT start Thursday. The Crusaders are rounding into form as conference play nears. We spoke with Clif Carroll about the opportunity his team has at the D3hoops.com Classic just before UMHB left for Las Vegas.

https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/28/umhb-mens-basketball-set-for-d3hoops-com-classic-in-las-vegas/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 30, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
Not a good start by any means, for UMHB, but the Cru won it late, defeating Pacific Lutheran at the D3hoops.com Classic early this morning. Josiah Johnson hit a late three to make it 54-53, and PLU had a chance on the other end, but missed the short-range shot. Ty Prince added two FTs, and PLU attempted a long three at the buzzer but it was off the back iron. PLU was playing shorthanded as well. I expect the Lutes to be contending for that NWC title come February. Cru is now 8-1.

Full game story: https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/30/umhb-mens-basketball-defeats-pacific-lutheran-56-53-in-final-minute/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2021, 11:08:28 AM

PacLu was without Seth Hall, their best player, as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 30, 2021, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 30, 2021, 11:08:28 AM

PacLu was without Seth Hall, their best player, as well.

Exactly. Worth noting is that MHB was without two of their main rotational players, Nathan Stolz, and Fred Shields. Both had played solid minutes for them entering the week. Not sure why those two were not available.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 31, 2021, 10:17:36 AM
Things seemed to come together for UMHB last night in an 84-64 win over Saint Mary's in the final game of the D3hoops Classic. The Cru shot 46% from 3pt range, the first time since Nov. 27 that they shot better than 33 percent in a game. Josiah Johnson had 25 pts. Saint Mary's did some good things offensively, including a 13-2 run before the half, but struggled to maintain a defensive presence.

Full game story: https://truetothecru.com/2021/12/31/umhb-mens-hoops-concludes-d3hoops-com-classic-with-84-64-win-over-saint-marys/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 03, 2022, 10:02:21 AM
I know Concordia is not playing as well as we expected them to at this point, but this matchup between UMHB and CTX is always incredible and high-scoring. I'd highly recommend D3 nation tuning into tonight's contest in Belton. 7:30 p.m. CT tip. The matchup between CTX's Antoine Henderson and UMHB's Ty Prince will be excellent, and with it looking like UMHB will be unranked, or towards the bottom of the Top 25 this week, a win over a traditional quality opponent like Concordia would be huge. For the Tornadoes, a win over UMHB would have a huge affect on their spot in the ASC standings.

Live stream link is in our gameday preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/03/mens-basketball-gameday-preview-concordia-tx-at-umhb/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2022, 11:31:13 AM

UMHB is in a pretty tough situation.  They're good enough that no one will excuse a loss to anyone, but obviously going through a conference slate without losses is an unrealistic expectation.  It's a battle of attrition from here on out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 03, 2022, 12:04:04 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2022, 11:31:13 AM

UMHB is in a pretty tough situation.  They're good enough that no one will excuse a loss to anyone, but obviously going through a conference slate without losses is an unrealistic expectation.  It's a battle of attrition from here on out.

Yeah it really is. The game of the year in the ASC might be that Jan. 27 matchup between HSU and UMHB in Belton. Both of these teams have a good opportunity to win out throughout the remainder of the conference schedule, though the ASC is deep enough that a Concordia team barely above .500 could really go toe-to-toe with anyone on any night. I think it's safe to say the ASC will be a one-bid conference this year...not sure of your thoughts on that, but SOS doesn't seem high enough for UMHB, HSU, or any of the other possible contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2022, 12:38:16 PM

Whichever doesn't win the conference is likely first to the table from R10. If it's an .850, .515 resume, like its projected to be, that's a solid case. It all depends on how many upsets happen in conference tournaments. I don't think two bids are out of the question, but you sure better not go winless against the other team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 04, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2022, 12:38:16 PM

Whichever doesn't win the conference is likely first to the table from R10. If it's an .850, .515 resume, like its projected to be, that's a solid case. It all depends on how many upsets happen in conference tournaments. I don't think two bids are out of the question, but you sure better not go winless against the other team.

I'd agree completely. That is what makes the Jan. 27 matchup between HSU and MHB in Belton so important. HSU already has 1 win against the Cru, MHB can't afford a second loss and still hope to keep its at-large opportunities open. SCAC seems slightly weaker this year, which, like you said, will probably open an opportunity for the team that doesn't win the ASC title. Time will tell, but calendars should be circled for that Jan. 27 matchup.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru on January 04, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2022, 12:38:16 PM

Whichever doesn't win the conference is likely first to the table from R10. If it's an .850, .515 resume, like its projected to be, that's a solid case. It all depends on how many upsets happen in conference tournaments. I don't think two bids are out of the question, but you sure better not go winless against the other team.

I'd agree completely. That is what makes the Jan. 27 matchup between HSU and MHB in Belton so important. HSU already has 1 win against the Cru, MHB can't afford a second loss and still hope to keep its at-large opportunities open. SCAC seems slightly weaker this year, which, like you said, will probably open an opportunity for the team that doesn't win the ASC title. Time will tell, but calendars should be circled for that Jan. 27 matchup.

The big help is the NWC. They traditionally have low SOS and likely fewer high WP teams.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 04, 2022, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 04, 2022, 09:12:58 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru on January 04, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 03, 2022, 12:38:16 PM

Whichever doesn't win the conference is likely first to the table from R10. If it's an .850, .515 resume, like its projected to be, that's a solid case. It all depends on how many upsets happen in conference tournaments. I don't think two bids are out of the question, but you sure better not go winless against the other team.

I'd agree completely. That is what makes the Jan. 27 matchup between HSU and MHB in Belton so important. HSU already has 1 win against the Cru, MHB can't afford a second loss and still hope to keep its at-large opportunities open. SCAC seems slightly weaker this year, which, like you said, will probably open an opportunity for the team that doesn't win the ASC title. Time will tell, but calendars should be circled for that Jan. 27 matchup.

The big help is the NWC. They traditionally have low SOS and likely fewer high WP teams.

Yes...that part of why I have heard a number of coaches say that they like the R10 much better than the more south-east region than the ASC was in a few years back because all of the R10 schools are in the same boat when it comes to non-conf. scheduling, and it creates a little more balance SOS wise, which means better at-large opportunities.

UMHB looked very good in the first half last night, but got a little sloppy in the second which made the score seem a whole lot closer than it actually was. ETBU rolled to a 15-point win over Belhaven. UMHB and ETBU meet in Marshall next week.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 04, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Also...42 points from Josiah Johnson against Concordia last night...he hasn't been stopped much this year, even with teams putting more focus to guarding him and Ty Prince.

Game story from last night: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/04/umhb-mens-basketball-wins-high-scoring-111-101-contest-against-concordia/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 06, 2022, 11:45:47 AM
For UMHB head coach Clif Carroll and Sul Ross State head coach Xavier Webb, tonight's matchup holds a special significance. It always does whenever UMHB and SRSU meet on the basketball court. Carroll was recently the head coach in Alpine, before taking the UMHB job. Webb was once a three-point sharpshooter, for Carroll, before being named the head coach in Alpine.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/06/for-clif-carroll-and-xavier-webb-thursdays-matchup-holds-special-significance/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 07, 2022, 10:26:44 AM
Sul Ross looked good in the first half, and even early in the second, but UMHB pulled away with several double-digit scoring runs. 5 players scored in double figures for the Cru, even with Ty Prince out.

Game story from Belton: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/07/five-players-score-in-double-figures-as-umhb-mens-basketball-defeats-sul-ross-state-94-81/

Other ASC news: As previously reported, McMurry vs UTD was cancelled last night. UTD at Hardin-Simmons is off for Saturday. Per ASC ruling, these games are no-contests and will NOT be made up

Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 08, 2022, 10:00:14 PM
A 26-0 run midway through the first half all but sealed today's win for UMHB against Howard Payne:
https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/08/exceptional-defensive-start-powers-umhb-mens-basketball-to-94-59/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 13, 2022, 09:41:58 AM
No. 17 UMHB heads east to face an ETBU team that looks significantly better on film than its record shows...should be closely contested tonight...

Weekly Team Feature: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/12/umhb-mens-basketball-looks-to-extend-win-streak-in-two-game-asc-road-trip/

Gameday preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/13/mens-basketball-gameday-preview-no-17-umhb-at-etbu/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 14, 2022, 09:39:25 AM
Impressive performance by ETBU last night. I really think the Tigers' win over UMHB says more about them than it does the Cru, just because UMHB did not play a terrible game, and ETBU's defense was really good. The thing that hurt the Cru was its free throw shooting...7 of 16 from the line in a game like that does not help your cause one bit. UMHB will now prepare for Ozarks next Thursday as its game was cancelled at Belhaven on Saturday.

Game Story: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/14/free-throw-shooting-challenges-umhb-mens-hoops-in-81-72-loss-at-etbu/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 20, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
No. 22 UMHB visits Ozarks this evening in an ASC duel. The Cru is looking to rebound after a tough loss last week at ETBU

Preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/20/mens-basketball-gameday-preview-no-22-umhb-at-ozarks/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 27, 2022, 01:00:03 PM
It's a rivalry showdown in Belton tonight...

https://truetothecru.com/2022/01/27/mens-basketball-gameday-preview-hardin-simmons-at-no-21-umhb/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 06, 2022, 09:46:52 AM
Intriguing matchup between No.18 UMHB and UT-Dallas today. The Comets typically play with three forwards in the starting lineup and everybody in the lineup is above 6'3. They shoot the three well and rely on solid defense. UMHB will have no easy task on the road this afternoon. Tip is at 5 p.m. CT.

Gameday Preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/06/mens-basketball-gameday-preview-no-18-umhb-at-ut-dallas/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 07, 2022, 08:43:14 AM
Josiah Johnson reached the career 1,000 point mark last night as No. 18 UMHB rolled past UT-Dallas. HUGE ASC showdown at LeTourneau coming up at 6 pm CT tonight.

Game story from yesterday's win: https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/06/johnson-hits-career-1000-point-mark-as-no-18-umhb-mens-hoops-defeats-ut-dallas/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 07, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
It's a big one today in ASC play...a battle for the lead in the conference standings between UMHB and LeTourneau. 6 pm CT tip off!

Preview: https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/07/mens-basketball-gameday-preview-no-18-umhb-at-letourneau/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 07, 2022, 11:26:21 PM
No. 16 UMHB men's basketball maintained its lead in the ASC standings, with a buzzer beater from Josiah Johnson. Watch video of the last second shot below:

https://youtu.be/DMpgprtqKnc
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2022, 01:45:44 PM
I posted this on the Conference Changes board.  Any thoughts?

QuoteQuote from: Inkblot on Yesterday at 12:49:13 pm
Well, it's been a while since we had something to put in here... a year after Louisiana College (now Louisiana Christian) left D3 to join the NAIA, Lyon (AR) is making the opposite move. No indication of what conference they'll end up in, but the ASC seems most likely since I don't think they meet the SAA or SCAC academic standards. On the other hand, if the USA South keeps moving westward...

https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2022/02/lyon-college-applying-to-d3


Lyons, in Batesville AR, is 6+ hours away from Dallas but 4.5 hours from St Louis.
Univ of Ozarks, in Clarksville AR, is roughly equidistant to St Louis and Dallas, 5.5 hours.

UTD, LeTourneau and ETBU are all about 5.5 hours away from Clarksville.

In the ASC, beyond Dallas, it is another 2 hours to UMHB, 3 hours to Concordia TX, HPU, HSU, and McMurry and 7+ hours to Alpine.

Might Lyons pull Ozarks as a travel partner and both join the SLIAC?

IMHO, Ozarks would be more competitive in the SLIAC than in the ASC.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2022, 05:08:12 PM
After several weeks of midday shows, we are back to our regularly scheduled time of 7:00 PM ET - and we are super-sizing the show tonight to make up for not being able to be on air Thursday AND the craziness that has happened in the last week!

(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=7bd24/9722xr4mzg4hms67.jpg)

Today is a day we celebrate those we love and for many of us that includes the student-athletes, coaches, administrators, and programs in Division III.

On Monday's Hoopsville, we super-size the show to cover everything that has happened in the last week while also trying to look ahead at conference tournaments which start soon. After all, we are just two weeks away from talking about who is in or out of the NCAA Tournaments.

Plus, we look at the latest Top 25 polls which will be released Monday evening and react to the men's poll which will clearly undergo some shakeup.

Guests included:

Watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/feb14
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 15, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
UMHB claimed the ASC title last night in its win at Concordia, a huge 82-73 victory at the tail end of a five game road swing. The nation's No. 9 team is finally starting to play to its ranking, and will host next week's conference tournament in Belton. Keep an eye on that duel between the Cru and ETBU on Saturday...ETBU already beat UMHB once. Granted, that was in Marshall, but the Tigers are a challenger for sure. This is a deep league, much deeper than most realize. Tip off for that one is 3 pm in Belton.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/14/no-9-umhb-mens-basketball-reestablishes-identity-claims-asc-regular-season-title-in-win-at-concordia/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:54:48 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 24, 2022, 09:15:45 AM
Home-court advantage is key in the postseason. Especially in a year where it appears the ASC will be a one-bid league. So naturally, there's a lot on the line, including for the nation's No. 7 team, when the ASC Tournament tips off today...

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/23/playing-at-home-no-7-umhb-mens-basketball-seeks-victory-in-asc-tournament/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 26, 2022, 01:42:34 AM
Well...it'll be a battle of No. 1 vs No. 2 seeds in the ASC final tonight...LeTourneau and UMHB meet in Belton. Neither is a lock by any means for a Pool C. So both are really playing to keep their seasons alive. UMHB has been shooting the ball so well the past 2 games. But the Cru cannot allow the double-digit lead to evaporate like they did against Concordia and Texas-Dallas. That could hurt you against a team like LeTourneau. Yellowjackets have a really impressive scoring duo of Deonte Jackson and Andrew Eberhardt. Should be a good one...6 pm tip off.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/25/umhb-mens-basketball-defeats-ut-dallas-90-73-earning-spot-in-asc-championship/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 27, 2022, 12:48:13 AM
Big win for UMHB men's basketball tonight in Belton. Crusaders defeat LeTourneau 99-82, claiming their first ASC title since 2010, and reaching the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2013. Clif Carroll has done an exceptional job the last two years at UMHB.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/26/champions-umhb-mens-basketball-clinches-asc-title-ncaa-tournament-bid-in-99-82-victory-over-letourneau/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 28, 2022, 01:08:47 PM
UMHB will host a first weekend pod in Belton, featuring Chapman, Whitworth, and Trinity (TX).

https://truetothecru.com/2022/02/28/umhb-mens-basketball-will-host-ncaa-tournament-first-round-matchup-after-winning-asc-title/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2022, 02:17:09 PM

They've essentially made Whitworth the top seed in that pod, which is interesting.  They ended up having the top two ranked teams in Region 10 in the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 28, 2022, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2022, 02:17:09 PM

They've essentially made Whitworth the top seed in that pod, which is interesting.  They ended up having the top two ranked teams in Region 10 in the road.

Which really surprised me. I guess Pomona did not put in an application to host? Looked like they were fairly certain to host heading into this morning. I know they were using CMS' facilities.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2022, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on February 28, 2022, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2022, 02:17:09 PM

They've essentially made Whitworth the top seed in that pod, which is interesting.  They ended up having the top two ranked teams in Region 10 in the road.

Which really surprised me. I guess Pomona did not put in an application to host? Looked like they were fairly certain to host heading into this morning. I know they were using CMS' facilities.

From what I understand, they did not apply to host largely because they don't have facilities available to do it.  They might've been able to work something out with CMS, but decided against it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 04, 2022, 09:27:13 AM
Previewing the Belton Pod (which is hosted by UMHB):

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/03/previewing-the-belton-pod-umhb-mens-hoops-hosts-opening-rounds-of-ncaa-tournament/

Should be some high quality basketball! Cru tips off at 5:30 local time against Chapman
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 05, 2022, 11:33:16 AM
Incredible finish from UMHB basketball yesterday. Chapman goes up 80-69 with less than 4 minutes left...then the Crusaders mount a 19-1 run to come back and win it, highlighted by Carson Hammond's late 3. Would post video of it, but from what I understand, we are not allowed to post video online of these games due to NCAA rules. So, anyway, here's quotes, stats, and summaries of how the action played out in Belton last night:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/04/hammonds-late-three-pointer-sends-umhb-mens-hoops-to-round-of-32/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2022, 12:26:54 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 05, 2022, 11:33:16 AM
Incredible finish from UMHB basketball yesterday. Chapman goes up 80-69 with less than 4 minutes left...then the Crusaders mount a 19-1 run to come back and win it, highlighted by Carson Hammond's late 3. Would post video of it, but from what I understand, we are not allowed to post video online of these games due to NCAA rules. So, anyway, here's quotes, stats, and summaries of how the action played out in Belton last night:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/04/hammonds-late-three-pointer-sends-umhb-mens-hoops-to-round-of-32/

The Cru will be huge favorites today, and for good reason. Trinity will have to shoot the three ball better than their last two games (a bizarrely bad 6-41, well under half their season average).  They got away with 2-14 against Whitworth, but that won't work against UMHB, Coach Carroll's kind words about yesterday's effort notwithstanding.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 05, 2022, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2022, 12:26:54 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 05, 2022, 11:33:16 AM
Incredible finish from UMHB basketball yesterday. Chapman goes up 80-69 with less than 4 minutes left...then the Crusaders mount a 19-1 run to come back and win it, highlighted by Carson Hammond's late 3. Would post video of it, but from what I understand, we are not allowed to post video online of these games due to NCAA rules. So, anyway, here's quotes, stats, and summaries of how the action played out in Belton last night:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/04/hammonds-late-three-pointer-sends-umhb-mens-hoops-to-round-of-32/

The Cru will be huge favorites today, and for good reason. Trinity will have to shoot the three ball better than their last two games (a bizarrely bad 6-41, well under half their season average).  They got away with 2-14 against Whitworth, but that won't work against UMHB, Coach Carroll's kind words about yesterday's effort notwithstanding.

Yeah, no doubt. But Trinity looked good against a Whitworth team that I really liked coming in. If UMHB is shooting well, though, the Cru offense will be hard to stop. The defense has definitely shown room for improvement though, especially in the second halves of recent games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: D3Navy on March 05, 2022, 06:03:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2022, 12:26:54 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 05, 2022, 11:33:16 AM
Incredible finish from UMHB basketball yesterday. Chapman goes up 80-69 with less than 4 minutes left...then the Crusaders mount a 19-1 run to come back and win it, highlighted by Carson Hammond's late 3. Would post video of it, but from what I understand, we are not allowed to post video online of these games due to NCAA rules. So, anyway, here's quotes, stats, and summaries of how the action played out in Belton last night:

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/04/hammonds-late-three-pointer-sends-umhb-mens-hoops-to-round-of-32/

The Cru will be huge favorites today, and for good reason. Trinity will have to shoot the three ball better than their last two games (a bizarrely bad 6-41, well under half their season average).  They got away with 2-14 against Whitworth, but that won't work against UMHB, Coach Carroll's kind words about yesterday's effort notwithstanding.

Predicting a very close game.  A 25-point victory builds a lot of confidence and it's unlikely 2-14 from 3 will repeat tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2022, 10:14:59 PM

They're going to get Case Western Reserve instead of Oshkosh, so that should be helpful.  A really talented, experienced team, but one that's never been in the tournament before.  Games will most likely be played at Elmhurst next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2022, 10:35:36 PM
Congrats to UMHB and good luck the rest of the way.  My guys are trying to figure out this playoff thing after a long absence and this season was a good start.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 06, 2022, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 05, 2022, 10:35:36 PM
Congrats to UMHB and good luck the rest of the way.  My guys are trying to figure out this playoff thing after a long absence and this season was a good start.

For sure. Was really impressed by Trinity and they hung with UMHB for most of it...Cru hit enough shots to pull away but never did it feel like a blowout. Definitely a bright future ahead for the program. I expect we'll be seeing them in March quite often in the near future.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2022, 02:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 05, 2022, 10:14:59 PM

They're going to get Case Western Reserve instead of Oshkosh, so that should be helpful.  A really talented, experienced team, but one that's never been in the tournament before.  Games will most likely be played at Elmhurst next weekend.

Or maybe in Cleveland?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on March 06, 2022, 03:40:27 PM
Really disappointed that UMHB basketball is getting the same treatment that UMHB football has had to battle for years. Thanks, NCAA for being penny pinchers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2022, 06:11:08 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on March 06, 2022, 03:40:27 PM
Really disappointed that UMHB basketball is getting the same treatment that UMHB football has had to battle for years. Thanks, NCAA for being penny pinchers.

Whitworth's men were sent to UMHB despite being ranked above them in the last regional rankings.  The same was true for Chapman.  So be unhappy about being shipped out this week while realizing you were the beneficiary of the same policy last week. 

But it's not just the men.  On the women's side, #6 Whitman (26-1), which should have hosted since UMHB was booked for the men, was sent to HSU.  And this week, the #1 women's team in the country, CNU (28-0 with two 50-point wins in the first two rounds) is being sent to Amherst.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 06, 2022, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on March 06, 2022, 03:40:27 PM
Really disappointed that UMHB basketball is getting the same treatment that UMHB football has had to battle for years. Thanks, NCAA for being penny pinchers.

Yes. But here's the thing...it is not a bias towards UMHB or even the Region 10 schools. CNU's women, #1 in the country, will not host either weekend due to different reasons. Men hosted this weekend, and like UMHB, there is too many flights required to have a sectional at CNU this coming weekend. So it is across the board. And they did get to host, when very easily, they could've been sent to California this past weekend if one or two other things had fallen into place.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: KnightSlappy on March 07, 2022, 06:33:25 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 06, 2022, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on March 06, 2022, 03:40:27 PM
Really disappointed that UMHB basketball is getting the same treatment that UMHB football has had to battle for years. Thanks, NCAA for being penny pinchers.

Yes. But here's the thing...it is not a bias towards UMHB or even the Region 10 schools. CNU's women, #1 in the country, will not host either weekend due to different reasons. Men hosted this weekend, and like UMHB, there is too many flights required to have a sectional at CNU this coming weekend. So it is across the board. And they did get to host, when very easily, they could've been sent to California this past weekend if one or two other things had fallen into place.

Pomona-Pitzer didn't put in to host (or didn't do it on time), otherwise 100 percent that pod would have been in southern California rather than Texas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 12, 2022, 10:11:40 AM
For a look at how last night's game between UMHB and Case Western Reserve played out, check out our game story, featuring insight from UMHB head coach Clif Carroll and UMHB guard Carson Hammond, who sank 2 FTs with 0.7 seconds left to send the game into overtime:
https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/12/hammonds-late-free-throws-johnsons-overtime-three-guide-umhb-mens-basketball-to-elite-eight/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on March 12, 2022, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru on March 12, 2022, 10:11:40 AM
For a look at how last night's game between UMHB and Case Western Reserve played out, check out our game story, featuring insight from UMHB head coach Clif Carroll and UMHB guard Carson Hammond, who sank 2 FTs with 0.7 seconds left to send the game into overtime:
https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/12/hammonds-late-free-throws-johnsons-overtime-three-guide-umhb-mens-basketball-to-elite-eight/
+k  Cru
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2022, 04:26:21 AM
Live by the OT; die by the OT.

Congrats to Coach Clif Carroll for the successful season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 13, 2022, 10:31:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2022, 04:26:21 AM
Live by the OT; die by the OT.

Congrats to Coach Clif Carroll for the successful season.

Yeah, he was incredible in leading this team. What a gutting loss. But this team went further than many expected them to. Something special is being built in Belton for sure. Most of the main rotation is expected to be back.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/03/13/we-left-it-all-out-there-umhb-mens-basketballs-season-draws-to-a-close-in-overtime-loss-to-elmhurst/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
After seeing the Elmhurst-Wabash score, might the UMHB-Elmhurst game been the "Finals"?
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2022, 02:21:05 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
After seeing the Elmhurst-Wabash score, might the UMHB-Elmhurst game been the "Finals"?
Nope...
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on March 21, 2022, 06:04:53 PM
No, Randolph Macon rolled through the bracket.  Domination.  However, I do believe UMHB would've held their own against them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on March 21, 2022, 06:06:36 PM
Also, I think it's an absolute crime that Josiah Johnson was only 3rd team All-American and that only 2 region 10 players were listed on all the teams as a whole.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2022, 10:16:21 AM
Quote from: cover2 on March 21, 2022, 06:06:36 PM
Also, I think it's an absolute crime that Josiah Johnson was only 3rd team All-American and that only 2 region 10 players were listed on all the teams as a whole.

25 players, 10 regions, 2.5 per region would be the average.

If healthy all season, Johnson would be higher than third team, I'm sure.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2022, 11:13:14 AM
I'm curious if Ty Prince is coming back. On the UMHB page he's listed as a senior and on the D3hoops All-Region team he's listed as a junior.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 22, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2022, 11:13:14 AM
I'm curious if Ty Prince is coming back. On the UMHB page he's listed as a senior and on the D3hoops All-Region team he's listed as a junior.
the only player not eligible to return is Carson Hammond.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 23, 2022, 02:48:20 AM
Quote from: Toby Taff on March 22, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2022, 11:13:14 AM
I'm curious if Ty Prince is coming back. On the UMHB page he's listed as a senior and on the D3hoops All-Region team he's listed as a junior.
the only player not eligible to return is Carson Hammond.

Hammond still has 1 yr of eligibility. But it is not likely he will use it, from what I have consistently heard.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 23, 2022, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on March 23, 2022, 02:48:20 AM
Quote from: Toby Taff on March 22, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2022, 11:13:14 AM
I'm curious if Ty Prince is coming back. On the UMHB page he's listed as a senior and on the D3hoops All-Region team he's listed as a junior.
the only player not eligible to return is Carson Hammond.

Hammond still has 1 yr of eligibility. But it is not likely he will use it, from what I have consistently heard.
ok. Just heard coach say a few times Carson wouldn't be back and took it to mean he was out of eligibility.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 23, 2022, 07:19:33 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on March 23, 2022, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on March 23, 2022, 02:48:20 AM
Quote from: Toby Taff on March 22, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 22, 2022, 11:13:14 AM
I'm curious if Ty Prince is coming back. On the UMHB page he's listed as a senior and on the D3hoops All-Region team he's listed as a junior.
the only player not eligible to return is Carson Hammond.

Hammond still has 1 yr of eligibility. But it is not likely he will use it, from what I have consistently heard.
ok. Just heard coach say a few times Carson wouldn't be back and took it to mean he was out of eligibility.

Yeah. It's hard at the D3 level for players to use a 5th yr. Means a 5th yr of tuition payments and a pursuing of master's programs. Not an easy decision to make by any means.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 23, 2022, 11:30:36 PM
It's even harder for basketball and winter sports, where you need to be enrolled for two semesters. Slightly less onerous for someone playing a fall or spring sport.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on October 26, 2022, 01:46:04 PM
UMHB won't be flying under the radar this time around...
https://truetothecru.com/2022/10/26/umhb-mens-basketball-ranked-no-2-in-d3hoops-com-preseason-top-25/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on November 09, 2022, 06:44:18 PM
UMHB either put the SCIAC on the map or UMHB will have lost all credibility from the voters after last night's loss to CMS. CMS dominated all aspects of the game. They dared UMHB to shoot from the outside, and if they did drive, CMS was 10-15 lbs stronger at every position to block their path.

Redlands will be a completely different style than CMS. One that UMHB will love, but this game may be 125-115. Redlands loaded up with some athletes that will match well with UMHB, and I think UR will take this high scoring affair. If they want to stay in the game, they will need to shoot better than 28% from 3.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on November 10, 2022, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: greg21grimm on November 09, 2022, 06:44:18 PM
UMHB either put the SCIAC on the map or UMHB will have lost all credibility from the voters after last night's loss to CMS. CMS dominated all aspects of the game. They dared UMHB to shoot from the outside, and if they did drive, CMS was 10-15 lbs stronger at every position to block their path.

Redlands will be a completely different style than CMS. One that UMHB will love, but this game may be 125-115. Redlands loaded up with some athletes that will match well with UMHB, and I think UR will take this high scoring affair. If they want to stay in the game, they will need to shoot better than 28% from 3.

UMHB looked a lot better last night. Not that it matters much, CMS outplayed them, but the Cru got off a plane around midnight in CA, so there was probably some fatigue already entering that game. I spoke with Clif Carroll postgame and included a number of his quotes in my game story last night.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/11/10/lesson-learned-no-2-umhb-mens-hoops-responds-to-tuesdays-loss-with-92-82-victory/

Seems the major problem facing the Cru was a lack of energy and a sense of panic when CMS started extending the lead. Really nice to see the Cru battle back after Redlands 11-0 run a couple minutes into the game. Pomona-Pitzer will provide another huge test tomorrow. I think the SCIAC can be really good this year, with 4 really solid teams. Should be a lot of fun this season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: greg21grimm on November 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
Much different team against UR. Started off slow, but it looked like UMHB got their competitive fire back in that 2nd half, which was very physical. That worked in UMHB's favor as they were physically stronger than UR. They knocked down a lot more 3s this game to help them start/stop runs. Now they will play a completely different style in PP. Expect A LOT of zone against a very long team. If they can pressure PP guards full court to cause TOs and not allow PP to get back into zone after makes, they should win in double digits.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2022, 04:12:04 PM
UMHB took care of ranked Pomona Pitzer, so I guess the voters are safe. LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 11, 2022, 12:48:27 AM
Officials in the SCIAC allows a considerable more amount of contact than other parts of the county. If they were a member, I'd expect UMHB to do well in that style of play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2022, 11:59:29 PM
Congratulations to UMHB for getting paid to defeat a pretty decent (6-4 prior to tonight with wins over Cal, UT Arlington, and Lamar among others) Sun Belt (D1) Texas State tonight, 71-65 (https://txst.com/news/2022/12/13/mens-basketball-bobcats-fall-to-crusaders.aspx).

Yes, the same UHMB that lost to ETBU and Concordia just beat a scholarship team on their home court. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 14, 2022, 12:31:54 AM
MASSIVE win for UMHB...big-time performance...watching them in person, that was the best I've seen them play all year. They finally put it together. That is the reason why voters had them at #1 to start the year.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/12/13/umhb-mens-basketball-pulls-off-upset-of-d-i-texas-state-in-71-65-victory/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on December 22, 2022, 02:20:04 AM
Really nice win for UMHB. They've looked really sharp since the TX State win, and came away with two wins in Spokane this week. They were poised, got the rim, and ultimately shut down Whitworth's offensive rhythm in the second half tonight, winning 93-74. This is the UMHB team we were expecting to see in November.

https://truetothecru.com/2022/12/22/three-takeaways-as-umhb-mens-basketball-pulls-away-from-whitworth-in-strong-second-half/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on January 13, 2023, 10:01:54 AM
UMHB men looked really sharp in the first half last night. Took a 19 pt lead at half against a Hardin-Simmons team that upset St. Thomas last week. The Cru attacks in so many ways and has so many scoring weapons. Luke Feely came off the bench to score 24! I expect we'll see UMHB back in the Top 25 this coming week. We'll see. They need to take care of business against McMurry first. My full "3 takeaways" article is below...

https://truetothecru.com/2023/01/13/3-takeaways-umhb-mens-basketball-behind-strong-first-half-defeats-hardin-simmons-92-77/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 03, 2023, 12:05:38 PM
That's 9 straight wins for the Cru! UMHB doing a nice job of reaching top form at the right time of the season. If they win out, they'll be the #1 seed in the ASC Tournament. 5 games left...

https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/02/umhb-68-sul-ross-state-55-umhb-mens-hoops-wins-9th-straight-in-west-texas/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 10, 2023, 01:46:41 AM
In a game that truly lived up to the hype, UMHB men's basketball took down UT Dallas in overtime, and as long as the Cru defeats Ozarks, McMurry, and Hardin-Simmons to close the regular season, the Crusaders would be in line to host the semifinals and championship game of the ASC Tournament. Exciting times in Belton. UMHB  trailed by 15 at one point in the second half, but came all the way back, tying the game at 66, before winning it in OT. Will have an interview with UMHB head coach Clif Carroll + highlights video that I'll post here sometime tomorrow.

https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/09/we-just-never-went-away-umhb-mens-basketball-prevails-in-ot-battle-with-ut-dallas/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2023, 09:05:33 AM
It'll be interesting to see who gets to the Texas pod. UMHB or St. Thomas TX. Could be a huge difference who advances and who goes home in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 18, 2023, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2023, 09:05:33 AM
It'll be interesting to see who gets to the Texas pod. UMHB or St. Thomas TX. Could be a huge difference who advances and who goes home in the NCAAs.

Yep...currently thinking about this...UMHB's win percentage will probably be lower than UST's. But UMHB's SOS and RROs will be greater if the Cru win the ASC championship considering they'll get either UTD or ETBU probably in the conference title game. Would that be enough to push the committee to give UMHB the host? The way this committee values SOS and RROs, it's a possibility. SCAC Tournament won't help UST's RROs or SOS
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 18, 2023, 08:38:37 PM
Story from Abilene. UMHB prevailed in a wild contest at Hardin-Simmons. Said UMHB HC Clif Carroll: "There was a lot of adversity today, a lot of chances to fold our tent and go home. But we didn't."


https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/18/asc-regular-season-champs-umhb-mens-basketball-wins-14th-straight-in-regular-season-finale-at-hardin-simmons/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 25, 2023, 12:26:18 AM
Not much to say on this one tonight except that it was such a disappointing way for UMHB to go out of the ASC Tournament, losing at home. Crowd only got into it for a few minutes, so they didn't help any. And overall, HSU was just tougher. Here's my game story from Belton:
https://truetothecru.com/2023/02/24/umhb-mens-basketball-falls-in-asc-tournament-semifinal-to-hardin-simmons-78-71/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2023, 10:14:14 PM
ETBU upset HSU tonight but after St Thomas lost to Schreiner in the SCAC semis we will see the the opening round of the NCAAs in Abilene.

It'll be:

1. HSU vs 4. SCAC champion (Trinity or Schreiner)
2. St. Thomas vs 3. ETBU


Ignore, total stupidity on my part.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on February 25, 2023, 11:32:39 PM
Where's UMHB? Or a typo??
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2023, 12:34:55 AM
Quote from: TheOsprey on February 25, 2023, 11:32:39 PM
Where's UMHB? Or a typo??

See revised response, I must have been on drugs.  With both UMHB and St Thomas losing to unranked opponents in their semis I have no idea what the NCAA will do. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on February 26, 2023, 01:28:44 AM
I believe you had it right. Just substitute HSU with MHB.
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 03, 2023, 10:31:46 PM
Game story from tonight's NCAA Tournament win for UMHB over Schreiner. Will be updated with quotes later. Big win for the Cru in what was a very tight game.

https://truetothecru.com/2023/03/03/umhb-mens-basketball-prevails-in-first-round-battle-defeats-schreiner-81-78-to-open-ncaa-tournament/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 05, 2023, 12:24:18 AM
What a finish to tonight's battle in Belton! UMHB takes down ETBU 72-70! Game story from the win (will probably be updated later...)

https://truetothecru.com/2023/03/04/johnson-wins-it-at-the-buzzer-late-3-lifts-umhb-mens-basketball-to-72-70-victory-over-etbu-in-2nd-round-of-ncaa-tournament/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on March 11, 2023, 12:21:48 AM
Tough night for the Cru, as they fall to CNU, 72-70. Last Region 10 team alive in this year's tourney. Game story from Newport News is up on the website, including quotes from both head coaches.

https://truetothecru.com/2023/03/10/umhb-mens-basketball-team-sees-season-come-to-a-close-in-72-60-ncaa-tournament-loss-at-christopher-newport/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 15, 2023, 12:22:44 PM
Hardin-Simmons alum and poker great, Doyle Brunson passed away over the weekend. Article says he was pretty good at basketball too.

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/story/_/id/37651901/doyle-brunson-10-world-series-poker-champion-dies-age-89
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on July 10, 2023, 12:49:17 AM
Thought this was very well done as Terry Butterfield speaks on his retirement and stellar coaching career at UT-Dallas. He was such a big part of getting that program to where it is today. Definitely check this out...only about 6 min and pretty interesting if you have interest in D3 hoops!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=362&v=hLM3RgCU8IM&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on September 29, 2023, 02:38:08 PM
Pretty solid schedule for UMHB...

Nov. 10-11: Sikma Hall of Fame Invitational in Illinois

Nov. 15: @ TLU

Nov. 24: @ St. Thomas (TX) (NCAA TOURNAMENT TEAM in '22-'23)

Nov. 28: @ Trinity (TX)

Dec. 20: vs Berry (25-3 last season)

And of course conference play as well, which should feature some good ones against ETBU and Concordia.

https://truetothecru.com/2023/09/29/2023-24-schedule-umhb-mens-basketball-to-face-st-thomas-tx-trinity-and-berry-in-non-conference-opens-season-in-illinois/
Title: Re: MBB: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on February 22, 2024, 05:44:18 PM
I had the chance to talk with LeTourneau's James Wallace and Joel Wallace for a feature this week for the D3 Texas Newsletter. Pretty cool story with two brothers from Bellevue, Nebraska ending up in Longview, Texas leading the program at LETU. Over their 3 yrs leading the program, LETU is 51-28.

Feature is here: https://d3texas.substack.com/p/basketball-brotherhood-get-to-know