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Title: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2005, 12:28:10 PM
Just read the all region teams. Brookman was robbed. But then again, the teams are based on players that were submitted by the school SID. Does anyone know (goose) if CNU sends names?  

Brookman should have made at least 2nd team. I admit I do not know enough about the 1st team players.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2005, 02:31:48 PM
Blake Brookman was nominated.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2005, 12:36:43 PM
porter and rhone named all-region - i personally think that thomas was slighted, especially since ellis from m'ville was named 2nd team - i think their numbers match up very favorably, and while neither had a great game in the first round match-up, thomas certainly had a better game than ellis in a head-to-head situation - maybe ellis was nominated as a guard and thomas as a forward (although they both play the 3 spot)...there is always next year for seth
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2005, 02:56:47 PM
as everyone who reads this knows, i don't like to make statements that can't be backed up by statistics - i give you the comparison between sidney ellis (2nd team all-region), chris rhone (3rd team all-region) and seth thomas (not all-region) - no question they are all close, but i personally think thomas' numbers are better than the other 2, especially when you consider that thomas is one of the best (if not the best) defensive players in the league and routinely guarded the toughest perimeter player each night - i also think strength of schedule should factor in...it stands to reason that tougher teams are tougher to perform against, and rhone and thomas played a much tougher schedule than ellis - in his defense, i heard that ellis played most of the season hurt (and in fact, didn't start 6 of the games he played), but that doesn't matter...performance on the court does
STATELLISRHONETHOMAS
PPG15.516.915.2
FG%0.4570.3960.461
3FG%0.3220.2650.348
FT%0.7370.7220.697
RPG4.45.76.5
APG2.13.22.3
TOPG1.44.32
BLK5932
SPG2.32.11.3
TEAM W/L22-715-1220-8

lastly, if there is a head-to-head match-up where the two players guarded each other, that should come into play - rhone and thomas were rarely matched-up in their hth meetings, but from what i've heard ellis and thomas were all over each other in m'ville - here is the line  
PLAYERELLIS THOMAS
PTS67
REB510
ASST20
TO 22
BLK13
STL21
FG2-72-8


i'll let everyone make up their own mind, and i'm a bit biased, but based on statistics alone, i'll take thomas AND rhone over ellis - i'm sure ellis is a GREAT player, and very deserving of the honor, but no question thomas is just as deserving, in my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2005, 05:14:55 PM
Narch:  I am a little surprised at this from you...it has a faint CNU taint to it.  You might want to look in on the new discussion on the multiregion board about all-region/all-american selections (and spare me repeating what I posted there about statistics).

Ellis and Thomas played to a draw and I would like to have both of them on my team.  I saw Ellis for four years and have no doubt he deserves his honor....  Since I did not see all the others play, I refrained from writing a posting like yours but with a different point about Sidney getting cheated!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 17, 2005, 09:59:56 PM
doug - while i agree that stats don't always tell the whole story, how many of the all-region voters do you think watched thomas OR ellis OR rhone play to pick up the nuance of their games and notice the "little things"? most didn't...they looked at statistics and made votes based on statistics and reputation - truth be told, i'm not sure porter's "numbers" alone warrant a first team selection, but the kid is a beast who averaged a double-double for the season and had 13 in 28 games, and it helped that he was named usasac poty (as i'm sure being 2 time gsac poty helped ellis) - i'm not sure why pointing out statistical differences or similarities has a "cnu taint" to it (what DOES that mean?), but basketball is a game in which players are measured largely by statistics, like it or not - sure ellis plays in an offense that spreads the ball...so does thomas...in fact, like m'ville with 3, the monarchs had 4 players average double figure ppg this season - if you feel ellis is deserving of 1st team all-region, feel free to trumpet him...it only further enhances my claim that thomas should be on the team, 'cause there is no doubt in my mind that seth thomas is every bit the player sidney ellis is...the difference is, thomas still has a year of eligibility left, and i get to enjoy watching his game for another year :-)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 18, 2005, 12:16:03 PM
'85 - no offense to brookman, 'cause i'm a BIG fan of his game, but if the coaches who have watched him play for the last 4 years didn't think he was good enough for 1st team ALL-CONFERENCE, why should he be on an all-region team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 18, 2005, 12:19:16 PM
narch:  Maybe it is unrealistic to designate first, second, and third team all-region players when as you say the voters have not had the chance to get to see the players very much.  I saw enough of Porter and Thomas to be convinced that they are fine players.  So is Ellis.  I probably would not trade Maryville's point guard the last two years with anybody in the region but he does not get much notice except when you see his contributions in energy, tempo, and attitude to go along with what can be measured by numbers.

Maybe it is a disservice in D3 to try to cut these teams so fine.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on March 18, 2005, 01:00:18 PM
First of Second Teamers can be nominated for All-Region.  Not that Blake was slighted, I personally didnt think he would make All-Region in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 19, 2005, 12:59:59 PM
Narch - guru of hoops -  

I thought (and that is such a dangerous thing for me to do) that the All-conference was based on best 5 players, not necessarily by position (i.e first team is not made up of 2 G, 2 F, and 1 C). however, I did think that the all region was based on making up a team. Of course, maybe it is right and then you can show me that it makes my thoughts about Brookman even less logical. But hey, that's ok - I have 2 teenage kids, so I'm used to being one of THE most stupid adults in the world!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2005, 07:50:34 PM
'85 - you are right in that all-region is 2 gurards and 3 post players , but if the order they are listed in the all-conf press release indicates number of votes (i think it does), the usasac coaches felt like brookman was the 4th best guard in the conference...again, i like brookman a lot, but it's hard to argue he's among the 4 best in the region if he's just 4th best in his own conference

here is the order from the original usasac all conf. press release  

First Team:
Sam Porter – MC
Seth Thomas – MC
Chris Rhone - SU
Rodney Blackstock – GC
Roderic Carey – CNU

Second Team:
Onyie Onunaku – SU
Kenny Johnson – FC
Blake Brookman – CNU
Lenny Hall – NCW
Sterling Williams – AU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 22, 2005, 08:02:45 AM
porter is named to another all-region team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mike Roberts on March 22, 2005, 11:50:50 PM
Congrats to Trinity.  Those of us from Stevens Point who watched them play the Pointers and also saw the Final Four in Salem all agree that Trinity was the second best team in the nation.  Rochester had a nice outfit but Trinity was better.  Since the Pointers also had a good game with Southwestern, we here in Wisconsin certainly agree that Texas was underrated.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 11, 2005, 02:46:30 PM
a few recruiting updates...the monarchs have a verbal from a pg who has been compared to brookman and they are close to finalizing a few big men - a 6'9" athlete, a 6'7" shooter from holland (compares favorably to radmanovich) and a 6'4" wing who rebounds like a post but is built like a wing (think ron brown minus a couple of inches and with more range) - there is a 6'6" banger who is interested in transferring from a d2, but nothing official from what i hear and another 6'5" post who is looking at guilford and rmc...we'll see on him - they are also talking to a 6'2" scoring pg...no confirmation on him, but he has a former hs teammate who plays for the monarchs - it would be nice for the monarchs to haul in all of these guys and really solidify some weaknesses, but we all know that won't happen - i do feel pretty confident that there will be one or two big men that can make an impact and a pg to back up grant and eventually take over as a sophomore...we'll see in august!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 21, 2005, 09:49:33 AM
rusty larue is leaving gc after just one year...interesting

story
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on April 21, 2005, 01:04:42 PM
5th coach in 6 years at GC. Stability, stability, stability!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 25, 2005, 10:27:41 PM
monarchs win men's president's cup, pride win women's president's cup
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on April 27, 2005, 01:10:55 PM
Congratulations to Greensboro and Methodist.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: complete package on May 18, 2005, 09:20:41 PM
GC men athletes work very hard this summer training and improving skills for a competitive up coming season! The women are holding their own. Let's step it up guys!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 08, 2005, 09:13:04 AM
Goose, Supes, 85 -  
Heard anything about the Captains?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on June 08, 2005, 04:07:41 PM
I got nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 12, 2005, 01:28:26 PM
a little off-season recruiting update for the monarchs

the pg that drew brookman comparisons is going to otterbein...tough loss

the 6'2"/195 scoring pg is going to be a monarch - he's got the potential to be a stud, but he's not a pass-first guy - shot 50% from 3 as a jr and sr - avg. 17+ ppg in a very tough conference (state runner-up last year is in this conference...he scored 36 on their pg, who is a d1 signee)

a 6'5"/210 post who led cumberland county in rebounding at about 13 rpg is coming - he averaged a double-double in the same conference that the pg above played in - the conference is loaded with scholarship players

a pass first pg who led cumberland county in assists is coming, as well - he's 6'1" and very long, but a little wiry - could be a good compliment off the bench early and develope as a starter late...maybe move the scoring pg over to the 2 eventually

these three are FIRM commits and local products - fayetteville hoops has really improved the last few years and ALWAYS produces some talent - westover hs went to the state finals where they took the only loss on the season and had 4 d1 signees (with a potential 5th & 6th in the junior class) - a few recent monarchs have been fayetteville guys (eddie lamar, elliott williams, dee jenkins, jason childers all come to mind immediately), but getting 3 in one class is really nice to see

mc has also rec'd a verbal committment from another 6'5"/210 post that the coaches saw at nc state games - he was going to a d1 on an academic scholarship, but wasn't going to play ball - he'll be a nice last minute addition if he materializes

a d2 transfer is still trying to make things happen, but has some work to do in summer school - he could be an impact player if he materializes

what's scarier for the other teams in the conference is this - thomas, grant, lee and co. are all working VERY hard this summer and improving their games - i hear that a couple of the post players (moore and williams specifically) have really improved a lot and are ready to step in and play significant minutes  

anyone else got anything?  has gc got a coach :-)?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on July 12, 2005, 04:09:52 PM
Narch,

Thanks for the update... your guys are going to be very, very good.  Just as everyone on this board expects that they will.  I hope that my Captains fare as well with CJ's new recruits.  I have heard about a couple of guys that might be coming in.  One is a 6-9 post player and another is a PG that I heard could be a very capable replacement for Blake Brookman almost immediately.  If it were only true!  In all there are supposedly four incoming freshmen (including the two I've already mentioned), but I must be a lot more cautious by nature than you are because I'm not about to call any newcomer a FIRM commitment until I see him in class.  Any other Captains fans out there with added information?

Go CNU!!!  I'm ready for some hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 12, 2005, 10:29:55 PM
capt j - notice i said firm COMMITTMENT, not a done deal :-) - there are still a lot of hurdles for all of these guys, especially with the private school cost :-), but the ones i've talked about all have pretty strong ties and have done almost everything they need to do at this point - all 3 were at orientation this past weekend, and it's unlikely we'll lose any, let alone all at this point - that being said, a few years ago the monarchs lost a similar recruit a few DAYS before classes started - he would have CLEARLY been an all. conf type player (as he ended up being an all ciaa player for wssu) - in fact, that year, another local kid who had verbally committed ended up at fsu and he was all ciaa as a sr - ah...what might've been had those two become monarchs...maybe we'd be talking about 5 or 6 straight conference championships instead of 3 (going on 4 :-))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: James C. Blasingame on July 14, 2005, 07:52:34 PM
Captj, howdy from over here in Yorktown....just down the road from CNU.  Pretty sure the four frosh are attending.  Know three of these guys. The two you mentioned the PG and post are from Bethel and Grafton respectively.  The PG is just pure that, a true pass first player.  The post player is actually 6'7".   I caught all of the Grafton games last year.  He is a legit back to basket post with a nice touch from 15-18'.  He'll need to beef up a bit, but is MUCH stronger than he looks.  He more than held his own against the Woodside center during workouts for the Penisula versus Beach All Star game.  The other two I don't know as much about.  One is from Jamestown, he is a shooting guard.  Saw him play twice last year, tough kid.  The other one I do not know about, evidently he is a 6'6" shooting guard.  Also, it's rumored that Carey is not coming back, though he was only eligible for the second half of the season, that is a substantial void to fill.  I've heard they are trying to bring in a couple of transfers, but like narch said, "firm commitment" is hard to define....until the season starts.  narch I went to UNC-P back in the day when Methodist was one of our arch rivals...look forward to renewing that one again.   All the best..ball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 14, 2005, 08:47:17 PM
jcb - i'd love for the monarchs to play your braves in a game that counts (mc has run them off the floor in scrimmages the last 4 or 5 years) - who was coaching when you played at uncp? - losing carey would be a very big blow for the capts...he's a beast
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Blasman on July 15, 2005, 06:47:18 AM
Narch, good morning.  I can believe the Monarchs would run the Braves off the court with no problem.  With the success of your program and the 'Broke in disarray for a few years now--I am not surprised.  I think they've won about 4 games in three years, with an 0-fer year before last.  That's almost unheard of.  Anyway, when I was there, the legendary Lacey Gane was the Coach.  He retired my sophomore year.  He was followed by Joe Gallagher (coached with Jim Obrien at Boston) and then I believe two years later Billy Lee came in from ECU.  Coach Lee later ended up at Campbell for several years.  He left there after having the challenging task of trying to bring Campbell up to D-I level.   The current athletic director at UNC-P is Dan Kenney who was also a very successful Coach at the 'Broke.  Surprised Coach K hasn't taken over the program himself.  Well, on the bright side at least they have football starting in 2007.  I remember the "crackerbox" well at Methodist, tight little gym, and VERY loud.  As a matter of fact I believe Coach Gallagher was at Methodist my freshman year.  It's looks like you guys have a really nice facility now.  I am not surprised, as you stated, that Methodist brings in a lot of local talent.  Fayetteville has some good size high schools.  Plus, Methodist is a nice school period.  Are there any plans for you guys to jump to D-II.  I'm sure the school with its locale and nice campus would be very successful.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 15, 2005, 08:28:40 AM
blasman - i wondered if you played under billy lee - current mc ad, bob mcevoy was an assistant with billy lee at uncp before moving on to coach at unc greensboro and eventually wound up at mc - it's unfortunate for coach lee that campbell is finally building a true d1 facility to replace carter gym AFTER he left...he spent many years trying to convince d1 players to play in a middle school (or worse) gymnasium (with some success, i might add) - uncp certainly helped kick start the careers of many good coaches, but they're REALLY bad right now - the monarchs did lose 2 very big recruits to the braves this year...david mcclish and chris campbell were 2 that had expressed great interest in playing for the monarchs before being signed by uncp...mcclish had verbally committed - those two will be upgrades for them as they can both play and are both outstanding students - maybe the new coaching staff has your alma mater heading in the right direction

i never saw a game in the old "tin gym", but i hear it used to get VERY rowdy - mc will NEVER go scholarship (unless someone donates a TON of cash and the school goes d1), the d3 philosophy is alive, well and wholeheartedly espoused at mc
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on July 15, 2005, 01:20:57 PM
JCB-Ironic, name sounds familiar in the land of CNU. Its interesting how you know so much about the Grafton player potentially heading to CNU :-). Greensboro does have a coach, if thats who you were wondering about narch. Apparently the guy was a finalist with LaRue last year. Bryan Galuski is his name.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Blasman on July 15, 2005, 02:37:44 PM
Narch, yes I remember Coach McEvoy, along with Coach Lee and Coach Kenney they were a "CLASS" act.  We all knew Coach Lee would not be at UNC-P very long.  I ran in to him last summer at a high school tourney in Jacksonville, NC.  He hasn't changed much.  Though out of coaching, he was doing motivational speaking--imagine that!  All three were very nice men.  I don't think CNU will ever move up either.  Looks like you guys are building quite an athletic tradition in basketball.  And it's tough for D-III when a D-II school right down the road can offer a scholarship.  Though I miss the days of the old Carolinas Conference when we all played Catawba, Guilford, High Point, Francis Marion, NC Wesleyan, Atlantic Christian College and Elon.  Man I am really dating myself.  UNC-P primarily plays teams in SC and GA.  Would seem it's tough to build some "traditional" rivalries! As a matter of fact, just dawned on me, you guys have some pretty good road trips!

Goose, lol...hopefully the name will sound "more" familiar, we'll see.  A lot of work to be done!  Did not know this thing would print my whole last name!  Live and learn.  We're looking forward to Captain's basketball this year....but it may turn out to be a pretty challenging season.  As Narch referred too, you just really not sure who will show up until school starts!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 15, 2005, 11:05:15 PM
blasman - as you know, nc has a lot of scholarship schools - all the cvac, ciaa, and sac teams are serious comp for recruits (and many have serious hoops programs...pfieffer, mount olive, fsu, wssu) - mc wins it's share of recruits vs. places like lenoir-rhyne and some of the other private d2's because a lot of times they just take money they would have given anyway (in the form of need based aid) and call it athletic money, but it's hard when a public like uncp, which starts out less than 1/2 price to begin with, gives athletic $$$ - the two that uncp got would have been nice players for the monarchs...unfortunately for them, they're going to get their brains beat in as braves rather than getting fitted for a few championship rings :-) - of course, they're getting their brains beat out and not paying much, if anything, for their schooling - the peach belt is a conference that is simply too difficult for uncp to compete in, in all sports - that's a big time d2 conference - i've heard speculation that they might join the ciaa, but i just don't see that happening...they just aren't the right fit - i've also read that they may go ciaa as a football only - it will be interesting to see
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Blasman on July 16, 2005, 05:43:53 AM
narch, it's amazing the number of D-II schools in NC as compared to VA.  I think we have two total, but we have SEVERAL D-III schools.  I know money is important to a lot of these kids.  But what you eluded to about "getting their brains beat out"....education is priority one, but also playing in a program that is a good fit and successful is important too.  Though I hope these kids help turn UNCP around.  I'm with you, I think UNCP needs to get out of the Peach Belt and play some local schools.  But don't think they'd fair much better with the likes of successful programs at Pfeiffer, Catawba or Methodist.  At least they would not have to travel as far! As I mentioned earlier it's been a tough few years there.  Chowan just joined the ranks of D-II also.  Not sure what conference they are going in to or why they went D-II.  I suspect they were dealing with the challenges of bringing athletes to Murfreesboro.  Tough place to recruit to (I grew up right down the road in Roanoke Rapids), plus they'll have challenges with an enrollment of only 800.  Anyway, it's a credit to the staff at Methodist for putting together a top-notch program considering all the schools that are close that they have to compete for kids against.  Didn't even mention Fayetteville State!  You guys are surrounded!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ju dont kno on July 21, 2005, 09:10:29 AM
how is SU's recruiting class looking. i hear there bringing in a 5'7 pt guard. ive seen him play and hes pretty good. he works out with one of the VWC players this summer. his name is lenzie adams. from Forest park in woodbridge VA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 23, 2005, 12:27:15 PM
Hello Narch!  I see that Methodist and Maryville are playing a home and home series this year.  This should be fun and an opportunity to learn who is any good.  Some of us Scot fans are a little uneasy as we lost a lot in Ellis and Placeres.  

It is nice to see (some) coaches schedule good quality interleague home and away series between these conferences. Any chance you'll come over to Tennessee?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 23, 2005, 10:37:49 PM
doug - little to no chance of me getting to m'ville - i will, however, be in the riddle center for the home contest...i look forward to seeing golden and co. in person - the one thing methodist has never shied away from is a strong schedule outside of conference - i look forward to the game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Just a Fan on August 02, 2005, 11:16:53 AM
I heard a rumor over the summer that Ross Mitchell from York would be playing for CNU this season. Anybody have any info on this ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Uncle Jessie on August 17, 2005, 05:08:19 PM
Any new news about a possible new basketball arena at Shenandoah in the near future?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 18, 2005, 02:16:46 PM
jaf - are you talking about this ross mitchell (http://www.shepherd.edu/2ramsweb/MITCHELL2003.html) or
this ross mitchell? (http://www.rossmitchellband.com/)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:13:30 PM
What are everyone's preseason predictions for the USA South Conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:15:33 PM
1. Methodist
2. NCW
3. CNU
3. Averrett
5. SU
6. Greensboro
7. Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on August 18, 2005, 05:22:56 PM
I thought I read the Ross Mitchell thing in the newspaper. I know I've seen it somewhere, not sure where.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:32:15 PM
I feel that the Monarchs should run through the conference if they stay healthy and a few of the post players step up. They have one of the best players in the conference returning in Seth Thomas as well as Eugene Grant who never gets the credit he deserves. Also, watch for Lee and Williams they made some strides late in the conference season especially Lee.

NCW I may be giving them a little to much credit but they are young and athletic and still have Spears, Cobb, and Lenny. Plus they made a great run in the tournament so they should be hungry.

CNU/ Averrett. CNU still has Romeo and they always seem to reload. Losing Brookman hurts, plus if Carey is gone  :'(. Averrett has a great coach in Jimmy Allen if gets some players watch out they could easily contend for the Monarchs crown.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 18, 2005, 05:37:06 PM
SU. Still has Onyie and Lawrence in the post but no one proven at the guard spot. Losing Rhone and Purnell hurts. Rhone really meant alot and when Purnell got hot he was tough to stop.

GC and Ferrum has had to many coaching changes so it will be hard to see any consistency from them as a team but we will see on OCT 15
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 19, 2005, 11:45:07 PM
hoops hops - i like your predictions...we'll see - the monarchs should be pretty talented this year - the combo of grant/thomas/lee could be one of the most lethal back-courts in the region, especially if they take it to the next level - i'm with you on grant...he's so sound in every aspect of the game and incredibly smart - he may not get the hype because he doesn't do anything flashy, but i wouldn't trade his total game for any guard in the conference (except maybe thomas....but they're both monarchs) - if lee can play as consistently offensively as he does on the defensive end, your prediction might come true - i think the key for mc will be the post play...some guys have to step up - williams and moore have shown flashes and radmanovic HAS to reach his tremendous potential - if the post players can develop quickly, the monarchs should be alright

as an aside, i heard that grant, thomas, lee, moore and one or two other monarchs played in the chavis league this summer and  more than held their own...for those of you unfamiliar with the chavis league, here's a link (http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=011884) - just a few d1 players (and occasionally former nba players) on chavis rosters
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 20, 2005, 02:49:20 PM
Narch any word on the Monarchs recruits. Also, what about the recruits for the rest of the conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 20, 2005, 11:39:05 PM
hops - it didn't come over from the other board, but the monarchs got 3 really nice recruits that i followed and a few that could develop in time with the right work ethic/attitude

a 6'5" post from douglas byrd who led cumberland county in rebounding - averaged a double-double in a very tough high school conference with lots of scholarship athletes - think ron brown, but maybe not as gifted offensively and maybe a bit more athletic

a 6'2"/195 combo guard from richmond senior (eugene grant's high school) - big time player...had numerous d2 offers and drew some low d1 interest, but mc was on him early and hard...having grant on our roster didn't hurt - scored 36 on the pg from westover, who is one of the best in the state - another really tough 4a conference - shot over 50% from 3 and is very physical - big and quick - could be one of the best in the conference if he keeps his head on straight, works hard, takes coaching and doesn't believe all the hype i'm writing :)

a 6'1" pg - true pass-first point from jack britt high school - led cumberland county in assists - should give good minutes backing up grant/lee - solid defender, good shooter

none of these guys should start, but all 3 should add needed depth and punch off the bench and can develop into solid starters down the road

i also heard that there is a pgm student who is a 6'5" pg who plans on playing - he wasn't really "recruited" much, but i heard during open gym at orientation he turned some heads...we'll see - there are a couple others that will push for varsity roster spots and maybe pt, but if the monarchs have to depend on any freshman, either they're BETTER than advertised, or things have gone horribly wrong :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 26, 2005, 10:09:54 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 26, 2005, 03:39:18 PM
Narch, that sounds interesting I've heard a little bit about the kid from Richmond he is pretty good. Hopefully he can develop and make a strong backcourt rotation of Grant, Thomas, Lee & Hairston even stronger and step up his soph and really contribute. Have you heard any rumors on the post player from Fayetteville will he be able to help fill the void of Porter and Booth.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 26, 2005, 08:59:26 PM
hairston won't be back with the monarchs this fall, but that's ok...he really didn't do anything but drive to the basket (although he did that VERY well)...you could play 3 or 4 steps off him because he couldn't shoot a bit - i think mcdonald will be a big-time upgrade as a back-up guard (1 or 2)

mcbride can play, but there is a very large void left by porter - i think realistically, that void will be filled by guys like moore and williams and radmanovich stepping up - i expect the post players to carry less of a scoring load and more of a defense and rebounding role and let the scoring load fall primarily to the perimeter trio
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 29, 2005, 12:34:21 PM
Narch, that sounds interesting sorry that Hairston won't be back your are right he can't shoot but he is very very very very quick. I think the Monarchs will be fine anyway. Hopefully someone will step up in the post. I can't wait until Oct 15 for the season to begin. Any word from the other schools CNU, SU, AU, GC, NCW,  and FC? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on August 31, 2005, 01:24:05 PM
Narch, I heard that Hairston was back on campus and plans on playing ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 01, 2005, 02:50:06 PM
hoopshops - i'll give you some credit...my "inside scoop" was apparently wrong...i have to confirm, but i've heard that you're right - if hairston plays, i hope he learns how to shoot and play defense - he can clearly change the tempo of a game, but i'm not a huge fan of his game - certainly nice to have from a depth standpoint, but i hope his attitude is right and that he is dedicated enough to avoid missing games like he did last year after the break between the 1st and 2nd semester
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 21, 2005, 09:19:59 AM
montrell survives katrina (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=27) - interesting story about former pride player eddie montrell
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on September 28, 2005, 12:48:48 PM
CNU's schedule came out yesterday....in the words of Dickie V.....it's cupcake city!  The only exception would be VA Wesleyan....no more R-MC?  Not too excited....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on September 28, 2005, 02:39:58 PM
I don't know Swish.....while CNU has a L-O-T of home games they're a few hard ones.   The two PA teams in the Myrtle Beach tourney will be tough....plus Methodist and NC Wesleyan on any court.   Have not seen CNU's roster, but expect it to be a LOT different from last years.  I am with ya though......GO CAPS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on September 28, 2005, 03:28:43 PM
Once again, CNU's schedule is unbelievable.  12 games before conference play starts and 10 of them are at home, including 7 in a row to start the season.  In all, 12 of 14 games at the Freeman Center to start the season.  I really hoped that after the difficulty we had with tough teams on the road last year we would try to get a little road-tougher this year. 

17 home games and 8 away on the schedule before the USASAC Tournament.  That 17-8 seems eerily similar to last year's final record of 18-8.  Oh well, I guess from a purely spectator perspective lots of home games are nice.  Probably a rebuilding year anyway.  Can't wait to see the new team!  Get in the gym guys!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on September 28, 2005, 03:41:39 PM
You're right captj, lots of games to attend....will be fun!  But if by the grace of God they make the tournament the lack of experience playing "away" may come back to haunt them!  Just went back and checked the schedule.....looks like the USA South Conference Final Four is at the Freeman Center also! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on September 28, 2005, 03:52:24 PM
Right, I saw that too.  We better finish high enough in conference play that we get to host that first round game or the only people in the Freeman for the Final Four will be those that arrived by bus!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on September 29, 2005, 12:35:27 PM
ballgame,

I was referring to the out of conference games.  Anyone know what happened with R-MC?  We get to host....sweet!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on September 29, 2005, 01:31:26 PM
Well swish, I'll be the first to admit I'm not to good at reading between the lines....anyway, nice little article in the Daily Press about CNU's newcomers and schedule for 2006.  It can be viewed online.  Have a good one. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 30, 2005, 10:49:50 PM
monarchs schedule (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/200506schedule.htm) - highlights include d1 app. state and h&h with maryville, wooster @ ehc tourney and @ vwc...4 games vs. probable ncaa tournament teams...also a h&h with piedmont, coached by former monarch assistant lee glenn - i think piedmont might break through and win 14-16 games this year, so they should be pretty solid - not sure about some of the others (sewanee, spring hill, etc.) only 8 home games and only 2 non-conf. home tilts - i don't agree with cj's scheduling philosophy at cnu, but it sure would be nice to have more home games as a fan...not sure 17 is the right number, but i'd like to see 10-12

edit: university of mobile was an naia final four team last year, so i imagine they'll be pretty solid
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 03, 2005, 12:43:17 PM
Narch, Check out the new issue of Street & Smith Mobile is ranked in the top ten of NAIA schools. They are a little bit better than solid that should be a tough game for MC. Monarchs once again have a formidable schedule. I agree CNU needs to do a better job scheduling games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 16, 2005, 07:46:28 PM
Basketball season has finally begun  :D and the first games are right around the corner. Here are my predictions for POY and all-conference teams. I know its early and you can never tell plus its based on numbers more than anything but, here it goes anyway.
(These Players might not be there anymore?)
1st Team:

Seth Thomas (MC)
Onyie Onunaku (SU)
Ramone Spears (NCW)
Lenny Hall (NCW)
Kenny Johnson (FC)


2nd Team:

Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Sterling Williams (AU)
Eugene Grant (MC)
Jeremiah Lawrence (SU)
Andrew Boor (AU)

HM:
Jarvis Cobb (NCW)
Kory Lewis (CNU)
Rob Lee (MC)
James Newton(GC)
Steven Johns (SU)

POY: Seth Thomas (MC)
USA South Champions METHODIST COLLEGE MONARCHS
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 17, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
From what I heard, the CNU/RMC series was going to continue this year, but with the difficulties both coaches had in scheduling, they could not mutually agree on a date to satisfy both parties.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 18, 2005, 07:33:22 AM
hoopshops - i've heard from a little birdie that johnson is not back at ferrum - also heard that su has a 6'11" juco transfer...can anyone substantiate that rumor?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 19, 2005, 10:07:15 AM
If any of the CNU fans that attended Midnight Madness picked up a roster I'd sure like to see it.  There is still no roster on the CNU website.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 19, 2005, 11:40:51 AM
OK, here goes –

1st Team
Onunaku (SU)
Thomas (MC)
Spears (NCW)
Hall (NCW)
Grant (MC)

2nd Team
Johnson (FC)
Romeo (CNU)
Williams (AU)
Lewis (CNU
Boor (AU)

HM
Lawrence (SU)
Cobb (NCW)
Holley (FC)
Brown (AU)
Radmanovich (MC)

POTY
Onunaku (SU)

Final Conference Standing (returning players)
1) Methodist (Thomas, Grant, Lee, Radmanovich)
2) Averett (Williams, Boor, Brown, Gardener)
3) Ferrum (Johnson, Holley, Fuller, Harris)
4 tie) CNU (Romeo, Lewis, Selden)
4 tie) Shenandoah (Onunaku, Lawrence)
6) NC Wesleyan (Hall, Spears, Cobb)
7) Greensboro (Newton, Battle)

My picks aren't too different from Hops'.  I like my guy Corey Lewis more than Lawrence (SU) for the 2nd team.  I think that with Rod Carey and Steve Murrer gone this year he will step up and be a team leader.  He definitely has the shooting touch to light up the scoreboards.  His turnaround jumper can be really tough to stop.  I do think that Boor is a solid 2nd teamer.  He is just so tenacious, all over the floor and his numbers are almost identical to Lewis'.  I'm picking Onie for POTY because I think he's just going to go off this year.  With Rhone and Purnell on the team last year he didn't have to score much, and I think this year he will be almost unstoppable.  Seth Thomas is a great player, but I just don't see 15.2/6.5 as POTY numbers (although those numbers will increase without Porter on the team and there are some intangibles about his play that don't always show up in the box score).  Speaking of the Monarchs, I think that Radmanovich is finally going to play up to his potential.  I always hated seeing him enter the game for the Monarchs, even though he was usually replacing a player that was supposedly better than him.  I'm obviously very concerned with my guys, hence the 4th place prediction.  But CJ usually has something up his sleeve, so I'm not TOO concerned and I wouldn't be surprised if we challenged for the conference title as we usually do.  I just don't see it with the team I see NOW.  I wish I had seen Midnight Madness, and unfortunately it might be mid season before I get a good understanding of the new guys with the light pre-conference schedule we have this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 19, 2005, 05:47:18 PM
Narch, I heard from a little birdie that the 6'11' kid isn't that tough but, I have never seen him play so I really don't know. CaptJ, you really can't go wrong with either Thomas or Onunaku. I chose Thomas because during conference play he was in the top 15 in all major catergories except steals and assist. Also, he was second in scoring with 16.8ppg (conference only) and I think 6th or 7th in rebounds thats pretty good coming from a wing and, he always guards the oppositions best player. Plus he finshed 2nd in the voting behind Porter last year!! I think this year will be pretty interesting I think NCW will finish higher than 6th though. If they return everyone I think they will be pretty tough to stop. I just don't think their run through the tournament was a fluke but, maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 20, 2005, 01:56:25 PM
Hops –

I just saw the USASAC Coach's Poll and they certainly agree with you that NCW will do better than my prediction of 6th place.  They've picked them as a solid 2nd!  I guess I am counting on them underachieving again this year.  I also expect that the coaches will be way off (as usual) in their picks.  It seems that the only thing that they and I agree on is the top and bottom spots (Meth/Grboro).  Actually, my own selection of the 4-6 spots (Shen., CNU, NCW) was very tough.  I obviously gave Ferrum more love than the coaches did.  I can't help but remember how they handily beat my Captains last year in the Freeman Center, and with so many solidly contributing players returning I just think they will do well. 

You're right about the POTY being a tough call between Onie and Thomas, and you'll recall that I did say that there are intangibles in Thomas' game that don't always get noticed.  I know that I'd sure like to have either of those guys on my team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 20, 2005, 04:04:56 PM
captj-
    Its up on the CNU site now.

http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/0506mbrst.htm

Lets try this instead. Ya first it was the schedule, and then it was last year's roster, I think I have it right this time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 20, 2005, 05:20:23 PM
Hey did anyone see the midnigth madness at CNU i missed it !! ???

I see the captains got 17 home games wow. that should be awesome for the fans. Now last year was awesome to watch at home games but from what i heard from my friends on the team away games were horrible.

think the captains will struggle on D. They have never been a great defensive team and with all the new guys it should be interesting in the beginning of the year.  They will need to step up big this year to make a statement for the 4th place pick.

haha this ismy first post sorry if i run  on...

PS where did all the freshman go from last year? i was looking forward to watching them play/ see them around campus
Ameen was here for a little bit but then jsut dissipeared
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 20, 2005, 06:02:16 PM
gonna be a looooong season for CNU. 14 guys on the roster, only 4 are over 6-5, and 2 of those are Freshmen. Only 6 guys with prior CNU experience.

I saw the post below about the RMC/CNU scheduling difficulty. CJ must have not wanted to take a bus ride to Ashland. Surprise surprise.

17 home games may be fun for the fans during the regular season. I'd rather listen to tough road games on the radio than watch easy "patsy" home games that do nothing more for the team in the long run that you couldn't get out of drills in practice. How many times do we get our hopes up with a good home record, only to get wiped out in the tourney?

I may be wrong, and hope I am, but even with the expanded tournament, CNU is not in the dance at regular season's year end.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 21, 2005, 10:45:36 PM
early scouting report - no real surprises, so far:

thomas has been a beast, grant and lee are improved - both grant and lee have bulked up a bit - i expect all three to elevate their games a bit this season

radmanovic is playing VERY well - he's beefed up some and he's playing a bit tougher - still likes to drift, but he's got a deadly stroke out there - if he can step up on the defensive end, he presents SERIOUS match-up problems for the opposition - he could be the key to how this season goes - if dragan plays defense and gives mc 10-12 ppg and 6-8 rpg, this team can be a top 25 caliber team

mcevoy has played very well early - could push for quality minutes and a starting position - he's big (6'11") and very fundamentally sound on both ends - a little slow and will struggle with quicker 5's, but expect him to block a lot of shots - mc may ask him to play a one man zone some to keep him near the basket

hairston has been unstoppable and is shooting 100+ ft's a day...he needs to increase that number to about 200+ and throw in shooting some 3's, as well - if he can add a jumper to his game...wow - should be a back-up pg to grant, but may play a lot if the monarchs go small with thomas playing the 4 and radmanovic playing the 5

moore and williams are playing well and should rotate in at the 4 and 5 positions - they're both strong kids who rebound well and play solid defense - expect a combined 20+ mpg and 8-10 ppg, 8-10 rpg

frosh mcbryde is pushing for lots of pt - he's 6'5" and led cumberland county in rebounding as a hs senior - strong and athletic - he's got to learn the college game still, but expect him to play significant minutes by the time conference season rolls around

frosh mcdonald will be a back-up at 2/3 - he's a scorer, but played some point in high school, as well - shoots the ball well and has a great body (6'2", 195) - quick and strong

frosh terry will be the 3rd pg - led cumberland county in assists as a hs senior - playing well, but pt in the back-court is going to be tough, especially early - he'll get his chances because he's very solid in all aspects

i agree with the coaches poll, for the most part - i don't think that ncwc will underachieve like they have in the past - i think thompson has some kids who play hard, and that hasn't always been the case - averett plays very hard, especially on the defensive end (who ever thought i would say that  ???), but they've got to find more scorers - cnu looks REALLY young, but don't discount the possibility of mid-season reinforcements in the form of scholarship transfers - su...lot's to replace, but i like coach harris - he usually gets great effort from his guys - ferrum will take a step back without johnson - greensboro will struggle big time...too much turnover the last few years
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 02:05:54 PM
If Johnson is not playing for Ferrum this year I need to revise where I put them in my picks.  I thought so highly of them based on the assumption that he was with the team.  If he's not I need to put them down with my 4-6 picks, but I still haven't seen anyone confirm that he's not on the team and they still don't have a roster on the Ferrum website.

CNU fans – what did you see at Midnight Madness?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 24, 2005, 03:07:06 PM
captj,
I was at Midnight Madness, huge, huge crowd, very impressed with the turnout.   Couple of folks already said it; CNU is young, with a lot of new faces.  I know Coach Woolum is pleased with his freshman class, especially Barton, McShepard and Blasingame.  But they are just that "freshman."  It's really hard to pick up anything when they are "free styling" for 16 minutes.  Ed Riley a sophomore transfer from St Paul and McShepard are both very athletic, it'll be interesting to see how they measure up in a "real" game.   I only saw CNU play in person a couple of times last year, but losing a senior point guard and a rising senior post player who was a double figure scorer cannot help.  Seldon (probably start at point) and Lewis will really have to step it up, along with Romeo and Purdham.  Would not be surprised if they added a transfer or two at mid-season.  A top four finish is probably a pretty close estimate, but we can certainly hope for better....just depends on how the new pieces fit in.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 10:16:21 PM
game –

Thanks for the info on Midnight Madness.  You're right of course that you can't tell much from an unstructured, run-n-gun, exhibition.  UNLESS, there's a truly big-time player on the court.  If Antoine Sinclair were on the court, even a freshman year Antoine Sinclair, he'd stand out even in a setting like that.  I sure wish we'd find another Antoine Sinclair, don't you?!  I hope that you're wrong about Donte Selden being the point guard this year.  Hopefully the freshman that drew comparisons to Blake can step up immediately.  Selden is a good player, but at the point he is really a liability.  Every trip up the court is a precarious journey with him handling the ball, and on defense he's not so great either.  I like him coming off the bench to provide an immediate spark.  He's a Vinnie Johnson type player; able to create his own shot when he has to.  He's lightning quick.  Even if we struggle through the early season with the freshman at point, it would be worth it to have him ready for the conference schedule if he is, in fact, supposed to be our point guard of the future.  I'm a big fan of Adam Purdham, but I don't see him in a starting role either.  He's solid off the bench, plays really good defense, and has a decent shot, but if he's a starter we're in trouble.  I hope I'm underestimating him, and I could be, but for some reason he actually seemed better two seasons ago than last year.  Perhaps it was just a different team chemistry last year, and his role in it was different.  I guess that we'll go with either him or Trent Dickerson at the wing opposite Romeo unless one of the newcomers steps up. 

Whoever it is that takes the court, I'll be there cheering them on.  I rarely miss a game, and even though their recent success hasn't lived up to CNU fan's rather unrealistic expectations, they're still my team.  Let's toss it up and play some hoops!

Go Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 10:37:53 PM
game –

To expand on my comment about a big time player standing out in a Midnight Madness type scenario; at last year's Midnight Madness Jeremy Romeo went nuts from beyond the 3-point arc.  He had to hit like 8 or 9 in a row with maybe one miss all night, if that.  Sure, he was entirely unguarded, but no one else on the court could match what he did that night.  Even Unlimited Range, who was supposed to be a great pure shooter, couldn't make more than a shot or two.  Those that have posted on this board for more than a year will remember Range, and how he was "courted" by (almost) of us.  It just goes to prove the old expression "be careful what you ask for..."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 24, 2005, 10:41:15 PM
Anyone know what happened to Jordon Short?  We WILL miss him. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 25, 2005, 06:35:32 AM
capt, good point about Sinclair....didn't see anyone who jumped out with that type of dominance, at least not from my perspective.   It was a dunk-a-thon, fun to watch, and Romeo did shoot 3s well.   Thanks for the insight on the other players, let's hope Barton can step-up at the point....I've heard good things about him and he certainly has good size for a D-3 point.  He did play against some good competition last year at Bethel and also heard he held his on in the Ben Wallace League in Richmond this past summer.  Heard Jordan Short is on campus, guess he decided not to play.  Looking at the stats from last year that's a substantial loss.  It will definitely be interesting!  Regardless of what happens, I'm with you, I'll be rooting for the Captains.   Again, thanks for the insight.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 11:33:13 AM
Short is still enrolled at CNU and not playing?  Come on Jordan, lace them up and get back on the court!  We need you man.  How can you give up something like that?  I can only dream of having that level of talent, so it's hard for me to understand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 25, 2005, 01:14:45 PM
anyone know what happened to "unlimited range"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 25, 2005, 01:32:36 PM
last year Romeo hit 2 three pointers out of 6.  dancer was 1-1. I think Dantas hit about 3. So CaptJ i dont know what your talking about last year midnight madness. I wouldnt put to much emphasis on Midnight madness no one really plays for real

I recently talked on the phone with mike and he didnt think Cnu was the right prgram for him and he wanted to go closer to home so his parents and family could see him play so he transferred to Penn State Altoona, and looks like he will start along side the 3rd leading scorer from d3 last year  Tyler ( i forget his last name )

Jordan Short decided he wanted to concentrate on his studies and be a full time student. He will not lace up again, even though we'd all love to see the red haired shotter back ballin


watch out for trent Dickerson. He can get the bucket on anyone if he gets a few dribbles to break his man down.



any high risers for CNu this year

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 25, 2005, 01:38:02 PM
Also Captj,

Dancer is one of my best friends from last year.I gaurentee you would have an entirley different tune of he had stayed and played this year. He didnt get a chance last year and i can tell u he will take advantage of his opportunity at PSUA.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 03:04:07 PM
3 –

Stirred up a little rancor, did I?  I might be thinking about Midnight Madness from two years ago, but whenever it was that I'm remembering, Romeo was unconscious from long that night.  I appreciate your support of your buddy Dancer, but he did very little to endear himself to me.  I just looked it up and see that he hit 3 of 8 on threes, not too bad for mop-up duty, but not earth shaking either.  His biggest problem was that he was just sooo skinny.  He seemed absolutely fragile.  That might work in high school but at the college level you need real strength.  Perhaps with a concentrated effort in the weight room and a 5000 calorie per day diet maybe he will improve.  He's young and maybe I was a little hard on him, but if he starts more than half of PSA's games this year I will pay for your gas to go to Altoona to see him play in their 1st round NCAA tournament game.  I wish him the best in Altoona (yikes, Altoona!).  I recall that he is from PA, maybe Camp Hill?

By the way, your handle seems really familiar, and the fact that you are friends with the players and have access to Midnight Madness stats is really interesting.  Is that you Blake?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 03:14:47 PM
3 –

Too bad about Jordan Short, but I am not going to lose faith in seeing him back on the court.  I just can't imagine a guy being that good without really loving the game, and how can you just give that up?  Come on back Jordan!

Dickerson impressed me a lot at times last year, especially early in the year.  He is definitely quick like you say.  I suspect that you know better than anyone on this board if you are who I think you are and competed against him in practices last year.  A 6-3 guard with speed would be a good practice match-up for you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 25, 2005, 03:18:50 PM
Newport, McBride and Riley can get up......especially Riley, he can rise and throws down with authority!  McBride is 6'9" and looks every bit of it.....he is looooooooooooong!  However, he is a 2 or a 3....yep, so strength may be an issue.  Not sure how he slipped out of NC (Bertie County), when Chowan was just down the road, plus several other D-2 schools fairly close that could have made offers.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 25, 2005, 05:18:38 PM
captj - psa was 9-16 (7-11) last year and looking at their roster from last year, they seem to very undersized...it wouldn't shock me at all if dancer started there...they're pretty bad in a conference that isn't a world-beater conference (3rd place lake erie was hammered by your captains in their opener last season) - does anyone know what happened to catlin pruitt from last year - i know the monarch coaches recruited him pretty hard, and some of the cnu fans were pretty high on him - cj seems to have really gutted the team last year - only one of the freshman from last year returned, and honestly, i don't recall seeing him play or hearing anything about him (dickerson) - anyone have any insight?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 25, 2005, 07:19:42 PM
narch –

You are right of course about PSA, that is why I was willing to offer 3 the free gas money to Altoona.  I hope that Range does start for them, but if he is the best that they can put on the court they will do no better than last year.  Single digit wins again this year.

Of the freshmen we had last year that made it to the end of the season, Dickerson and Chebane were by far the best.  Pruitt was OK, nothing more.  With two or three years of development he could have become a contributing player, maybe even a starter by his senior year.  To me he seemed to struggle with his ball handling, much the same as Donta Selden does, and a PG HAS to be able to get the rock up the court, and quickly, so that the team has time to set up a play.  I really wish we still had Chebane.  As a freshman he showed real promise, and at 6'-9" with good strength and real intensity on the court, he will be hard to replace.  I hope that Mike Witham will step up this year and battle down low.  With Rod Carey gone we will need someone to guard the opposing big man, which Korey Lewis can do for 25 minutes a game, but as you know, the clock starts at 20:00 each half.  One guy that didn't make it to the end of the season was Krizzio Washington.  I don't have a clue what happened to him, but what I do know is that he was incredibly athletic and had real talent. 

The elephant in the room that no one seems to want to talk about is why does CNU have such a high turnover rate?  Sure, academic requirements and personal issues contribute to attrition, but it seems to me that we're losing more than we used to.  Maybe Goose or someone closer to the team than I can shed some light on why so many guys seem to be jumping ship (or giving up; I don't want to imply a conspiracy if none exists). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 26, 2005, 02:22:41 AM
HAHA no its not blake. I play on the  tennis team at CNU (hint) and i was best friends with alot of ball players last year and i love  college and hs basketball.

Catlin Pruitt decided to transfer to a prep school in NC/SC somewhere im not sure the exact name. hes looking to play somewhere d2 next year i think. Catlin has alot of talent and iwll do something

from what mike told me PSA has a new young coach this year and have only 2 returning players from last years 7-whaeterv team. I though his problem was played behind All World Romeo  ;) .True it isnt the USA South but a tournement bid is a bid and anything can happen from there. I just wanna see how many 3's he can shoot this year haha hes a gunner

Amine Cheebane had unlimited potential , he had only played organizexd basketball for like 4 years before CNU.



yea i peeked in on practice and saw some tall black dude throwing down some slams

Turnover rate.. ha....i havea  good guess but that for me to know and for you guys to find out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 26, 2005, 10:10:44 AM
 Newport, seems you're pretty in tune to what's going on over at CNU.  CNU is a beautiful campus, first rate facilities.....a good selling point for recruits--especially at the D-3 level.  However, rumor has it that Dr. Tribble wants to up the academic standards, sort of a "mini" William and Mary...where by the way, they really do not recognize the term "student athlete."   My daughter plays club volleyball in Williamsburg and her coach was one of the W&M assistants and she really enlightened us on the challenges of playing ball there.  Do you think this could be one of the problems?

Anyway, back to CNU b-ball.  Read the CNU program on Pruitt, pretty good resume I'd say.  However, I am a NC native, so I'm wondering if Manteo is a 1A school? Big difference, BIG difference from 4A (is that still the top classification Narch?) and 1 or 2A. If you follow high school ball around this area the speed between even 2A and 3A is substantial.  Over the last couple of years I've watched a couple of summer tournaments at CNU and Heritage high school.   The guards were incredibly quick....3A schools such as Landstown, Booker T., Bethel, and Denbigh to name a few played FAST.   So, wondering if it may have taken Pruitt a couple of years to catch-up with the speed of the game.  That'll probably help Barton's adjustment to the college game.  I went to an NAIA school (it's now D-II) and it seemed at that level athletic guards came a dime a dozen, but quality big men were few and far in between. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 26, 2005, 11:49:11 AM
3 –

So, you're not Blake.  That's too bad, I'd sure like to have his input on this board.  But welcome to you just the same. 

Like I said before, I appreciate your loyalty to your buddy Range, but I think your judgment of his skills might be a little clouded.  You said that his problem was that he "played behind All World Romeo".  I'm afraid he was playing behind more than just him.  He played behind Donta Selden, and Jordan Short, and Trent Dickerson, and Adam Purdham.  In fact, he was DEAD LAST on the team in playing time.  E-mail me to collect on that gas money.

And by the way, I still don't understand how a tennis player has access to Midnight Madness stats.  I can't believe that those stats even exist ???.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 02:16:07 PM
Its not McBride by the way, his name is Billy McShepard and he is 6-9 and athletic.

I wouldnt be suprised if Barton starts at the 1, from what ive seen of him, he's got great ball handling skills and i know the coaches were high on him from day one, so dont be surprised if he gets the nod there, but of course, there is still three weeks or so till tip, so anything can happen.

I have heard that Sen. Tribble wants to raise the academic standards here. I know that and the fact that they did away with the LSPE major had a huge impact on recruiting. As for what else is attributing to the high turnover rate, well, I think dealing with these kids for a long period of time and getting to know who they really are may have something to do with it. I know in Short's case, that was his decision, but with Chebaane, I dont know the whole story there. Immaturity perhaps. Pruitt, as stated, transferred, so did Dancer. I think Catlin too wanted to be closer to home, but I dont know for sure.

I think we are going to see some big surprises come game one, as far as who starts and who is coming off the bench. I think Dickerson will get better as the year goes on, nothing like one year of college ball for a kid who played less organized ball then Chebaane did. There is potential there, but when and will it all come together, sooner than later, I hope!!

PS This is Goose, by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 02:17:03 PM
I see my name has changed already, nevermind then.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 26, 2005, 03:13:39 PM
i know the mc coaching staff recruited pruitt some, and were really upset when he chose cnu...it's hard for me to believe that he got that bad that quickly - game...4a is the largest classification in nc still and i think manteo is either 1a or 2a, but pruitt played a lot of aau and club ball - like the others, i thought chebaane had a lot of upside even though he played just a few inconsequential minutes against mc - he was raw, but you can't teach a kid to be big, and he was - art hatch wasn't the most polished player, but he was a dominant rebounder and shot-blocker because he was big and athletic - not trying to push the conspiracy theory if it's not there, but i can't remember seeing cnu lose that many kids in one year - i mean, it's not like they're transferring to a school that costs less  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 26, 2005, 03:27:21 PM
Goose, thanks....maybe I should just stick with calling him Billy  ;D.  Have you been watching the practices?  Surprises, enlighten me bro', of course then they wouldn't be surprises.   But I think you're right, I HOPE you're right. 

I had heard a couple of rumors on Chebaane, but they're just that rumors.  It's always a shame when you have to lose a big body....especially one with large potential!  I saw him play a couple of games last year...he did look like a raw talent and if he had gotten educated on some offensive fundamentals who knows?  Just don't see big kids drop step and keep their shoulders parallel to the backboard or use a jump hook along the same premise anymore.....it's a lost art form and not taught.....correctly.

Narch, I'm an old fart, keep forgetting about AAU, where the REAL recruiting is done. Regardless, wish all of 'em the best...hope he does get to play somewhere, you only pass this way once and for those fortunate enough to play team sports at the collegiate level it is something they'll carry and appreciate for the rest of their  life. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 26, 2005, 04:15:38 PM
A factor to consider in the turnover mystery is that of simple geography.  Range was from PA and Pruitt was from NC, and it seems that both of them want to be closer to home.  For years it seemed that CNU had nothing but VA players on its roster.  Maybe the recent increase in turnover is just a factor of CJ trying to expand his search out of sheer necessity.  Look at the rosters on the CNU website.  The rosters through 1996 are available.  Most of the guys that have left the program are from out of state.  I'll go through some names that at least the CNU fans will remember – Rashawn Rosa, Ian Holder, Julian Sumpter, Nate Stearns.  All of these guys were from out of state and all left the program.  If we're going to see more out of state players in the future maybe higher turnover is something that we're going to have to live with.

One thing that has disappointed (that might not be the right word) me lately is that it seems like we don't get the All-American-level talent that we used to get.  It seems that about the time we stopped getting these players we also stopped adding NCAA banners to our gym.  There is no question that increased academic standards have contributed to CNU's apparent inability to recruit these players.  Someone on this board suggested that since CNU is a larger school than others in the conference they are able to accept athletes with lower academic credentials because with a larger student body those athletes wouldn't reduce the school's average gpa and SAT scores, that that they were effectively diluted by larger numbers.  I don't remember who said it or the exact words, but that's how I took it.  It sounds good in theory but I think that in this case it doesn't fly.  I have to believe that CJ is under just as much pressure as everyone else at CNU (and maybe more) to shape the school in the image that Paul Tribble wants, and I think that Tribble wants great student/athletes, not just athletes.  So maybe players like we've seen in the past (no names), players that might not be as academically gifted as the average student enrolling at CNU today, would like to play for the Captains but aren't getting the chance.

An extension of this tenet is that maybe the guys that have recently left the team yet remained enrolled at CNU (Chebane, Short) are really pretty terrific young men that didn't come to CNU just to satisfy four years of NCAA eligibility, but rather came to get an education.  What a concept!  And there is no question that playing basketball must complicate that significantly.  I wish that Short and Chebane could work out a way to fit it all in, but if they just can't do it, if they can't juggle both commitments, then I commend them for having their priorities straight. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 26, 2005, 04:45:17 PM
I'm sorry to hear that all of these players are leaving CNU they had a class with some potential for the future.  I think the biggest lost was Washington. He had a lot of potential and was fairly athletic. I remember being impressed by him at Marshall HS. He played on the same team with Chebane and Kwame Safo who is at Lynchburg I think.  I also, wonder about Pruitt's attitude toward playing d3 basketball. He was a pretty good high school player who ran into some issues which might have kept d2's away. I wonder if he felt bigger than d3 and, when didn't play as much as he wanted maybe it influenced him to leave.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 26, 2005, 05:10:46 PM
Narch,

I am glad to hear that MC is practicing well so far. I hope your right about McEvoy it will be great for the Monarchs if he could surpass expectations. I hope Hairston continues to work on his freethrows but, I disagree with you on shooting the three ball. He should work on his midrange game and a pullup jumper or floater to keep the defense honest. I don't think he needs 3 point range to be effective.(It would be nice though) His job is not to score but, to get everyone involved in the offense as well as pushing the ball up the court. Lets just hope he does the other things to stay on the court this season. Hopefully the freshman will continue to develop and become solid contributers. I think Williams might surprise a lot of people this year. He is my sleeper on the team. I think he will contribute a lot more than expected. He is a solid defender who has a knack for getting rebounds even though he is not the most athletic. He can score inside and has range from the outside. Plus, he understands the game of basketball and his role. If it was my choice he would start along with Thomas, Grant, Lee, and Radmanovic.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 06:06:17 PM
Sumpter technically was born out of state, but he lived in VA for a while, playing his prep ball in Yorktown, just down the road, so I wouldnt call him an out of stater, even tho he did flake between semesters when he was here!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 26, 2005, 06:13:34 PM
Im not even sure Chebaane's in school anymore. I know Short is, but I dont think Amine is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on October 26, 2005, 08:16:44 PM
They arnt concrete stats but i remember the game pretty well. it was my first CNU midnight madness - alot of fun


Amine cheebane is not enrolled at CNU anymore neither

If anyone wants information about anything else then they can Email me.

newportballer3@yahoo.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 26, 2005, 09:25:44 PM
hops - i'm with you on the shooting...you're right on - i should have said "jumper" instead of "3's" - with his ability to get to the rack and that first step, he'd be deadly if he could hit the pull-up j
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on October 26, 2005, 09:39:42 PM
This is a hard time for this CNU fan, I like to read all the posts, it seems this year you guys are right on. Blake is finishing up as a ART major and is more solid than ever (this is my last plug). I would love to address the topic of turnover, As his brother whom will probally disappear after this year because of two young kids, I just wonder what a team would be with kids who stayed four years. I understand this is all Division 3, but it makes me think. O.K.  but what about Blakes Senior year, Brookman, Hampton, Hepner, Carey, Brooks/Romeo. Honestly do you think any team on the schedule could even stay on the court with these guys. It is a shame that CNU turn over ratio is so high it really hinders the years that that the 4 year players are there. Now, read the first round game is at home for the conference tourney and they have extended the field for the NCAA  just stinks. I know I'm venting but this is the last couple of times I will, Bare with me, I just miss it, cry, cry
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 08:53:21 AM
daniel - every team can play the "what if this guy or that guy had stayed" game...what would concern me if i were a captain fan is that the rate of player exodus seems to have increased over the last 3-4 years...is it coincidental that the monarchs have won the last 3 conference championships and are favored again this year? - every team loses one or two, but when you start losing 3 or 4 per year, especially when you're cnu, you have to wonder (i would think) what's going on - i understand a few years ago cnu cut out some academic programs which led to a number of athletes leaving to go elsewhere (which i actually applaud...shows that they were in school to get a degree, not play a sport), but with all the talk of more rigorous entrance requirements, it seems to me that cnu should be KEEPING more players...it stands to reason that the better a student is coming in, the better that student will be in college, no?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 09:47:54 AM
narch –

CNU did drop some programs.  Our biggest casualty to that was Mark Hepner.  I think he transferred to West Virginia to get his degree in Leisure Studies.  "Leisure Studies"; now that is an oxymoron if I ever saw one. 

I agree with you somewhat that higher academic standards should reduce turnover, but not entirely.  It appears that Jordan Short might have left the team because he needed to focus more on studies, and he enrolled at CNU during the period of higher academic standards.  Don't underestimate how difficult it is for true student/athletes to get through college.  And I believe that basketball players might have a particularly hard time maintaining grades since their season spans both the fall and spring semesters.  Football players can at least take a relatively light (12 credit) fall schedule and then pick up a class in the spring.  Basketball players can't do that.  And, unlike football players, they actually play their sport year round to stay sharp, not just work out in the weight room in the off season.  I don't mean to minimize football players here, they have their own inherent challenges, and there's no way that they COULD actually play year round and survive.  But I am particularly impressed with what basketball players have to do to stay competitive and still make the grades.

I still think that the biggest reason that we have not been as competitive the last few years is because we aren't getting the great players like we used to, and I can't quite figure out why.  The great players didn't transfer out, so I minimize the turnover issue.  We need more Antoine Sinclairs and Terry Grays, and wow, could we ever use another Lamont Strothers!  All of these guys played four years.  And these guys (I think) all graduated, they were all student/athletes, so I have to believe that they would have met the new CNU academic standards.  I just don't get it.  We have these incredible new facilities and we still can't get the guys we used to. 

But you know what?  It's still preseason and we might be completely blowing everything out of proportion.  One of these new guys COULD be the reincarnation of Lamont Strothers for all we know.  I have to believe, and I DO believe (unlike a lot of CNU fans on this board), that CJ still knows what he's doing.  That he is still the coach that has averaged 20 wins per year over two decades.  I'm not giving up on him or this team.  I expect that when the conference tournament arrives we will be competing for the title like we always do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on October 27, 2005, 10:36:51 AM
  capt, lot's of excellent points.  One note, Lamont Strothers is an assistant for the women's team this year.  Also, would see him frequently helping out with Warwick H.S. during the summer tournaments.  It definitely helps to have a "go to" guy on the team.  But there are so many intangibles that go into a good basketball team....and I think a couple of others that will be key to CNU's season are team chemistry and upper class leadership.  Obviously CJ has a pretty doggone successful formula....and his staff, Waters and Ross have been together a long time.  They have my utmost admiration....it has to be tough recruiting at the D-3 level....no letter of intent, just a handshake and a kid's word that he's coming to your school.....sounds like a lot of coaches don't really know what they'll have until the first day of school.   Talk about a formula for gray hair!!

Looking forward to the start of the Captains season....you never know what will happen from start-to-finish...that's truly what makes it exciting.... it will be fun to watch this team mature and grow together and hopefully find that winning formula.
   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 11:36:46 AM
game –

You're absolutely right about the formula for gray hair.  I too have a lot of respect for our entire coaching staff, and think that it's another demonstration of CJ's ability as a head coach that he's been able to keep his team of assistant coaches intact for so long. 

Sure, we need more than just a go-to superstar to make the team successful, but having that superstar on the team makes everyone around him better, and I have to think that having a couple of great players already on the team also helps with recruiting. 

I did know that Strothers is an assistant on the Lady Captains team.  He was with them last year as well.  It's great seeing him in the gym in any capacity.  Not many D3 fans get to see a former NBA player among their alumni, and talk about a recruiting tool!  When Coach Ross brings in a high school kid to see a game it would have to impress the kid to see (or meet) someone that has achieved what Strothers has via the D3/CNU route. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 02:42:46 PM
Quote from: captj on October 27, 2005, 09:47:54 AM
Don't underestimate how difficult it is for true student/athletes to get through college. 
i agree wholeheartedly...but why is it any different at cnu than it is at mc?  you don't REALLY believe that cnu is that much more difficult than mc, do you? (if you do, read some of the banter on the football board from cnu "student"-athletes) and with your "higher academic standards" your student-athletes should be better prepared for the rigors, right? ;D

seriously, though, you make some great points - still, if i were a capt fan, i would want to know why 6 of the 12 underclassmen on the roster last year did not return to play...

i'm totally with you on all those frosh...they are unknown right now, and one or two could be very special for the capts - i NEVER doubt cj's ability to bring top-flight talent with the facilities and reputation cnu has AND i fully expect a transfer or 2 to find his way to newport news in the 2nd semester
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 03:49:10 PM
narch –

What did I say to disparage the academic standards of Methodist or ANY other school?  Why would I do that?  I don't even know what the academic standards are at the other conference schools because I never for a second considered attending any of them.  I assume that since they are private schools they have very lofty standards.  I was merely talking about the difference between the standards at CNU ONLY, and specifically between the Tribble era and the pre-Tribble era.  That, and talking about student/athletes as a whole.  Don't be so sensitive, Dude.  And by the way, I don't read the football board much because I don't attend many of the games, even though that as an athletic sponsor I have tickets between the forty yard lines (that go unused most games).  I'm also a W&M alum and have been going to their football games religiously since well before CNU even had a football team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 03:53:20 PM
captj - i inserted the smiley face AND said "seriously, though" specifically to let you know that i was joking around...i took no offense to your previous post...sorry that you missed the folly of mine :)

if one WANTED, they could mis-read your post, however, as implying that student-athletes at other schools are not "true" student athletes
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 03:59:52 PM
That's cool, narch.  I guess that I just don't understand forum lingo that well.  That's one subject that wasn't taught at CNU.  Probably dropped that program before I attended :). 

Wow, Methodist didn't even make the top 50 in the D3Hoops preseason poll.  Not much love for the USASAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:05:55 PM
narch -

I just read the last paragraph of your post.  We'll just have to agree to disagree on my implications about student/athletes at other schools.  I never made a single reference to other schools or compared CNU to them in any way.  Go back and read it again.  I don't see how anyone could read it the way you obviously are no matter how much they WANTED to ???.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:08:26 PM
Those smiley face things are pretty cool!!!  I'm going to start using them a lot more. ;D ;) :) :o 8) :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:20:19 PM
I just read something from one of my posts and feel that I should clarify it before narch is offended.

Instead of saying "Wow, Methodist didn't even make the top 50 in the D3Hoops preseason poll", I SHOULD have said "Wow, THE BEST TEAM IN OUR CONFERENCE didn't even make the top 50 in the D3Hoops preseason poll."  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 04:21:43 PM
captj - just make sure you use them correctly - one of these  :o when you mean this  :P can really confuse someone...i guess

i'm just happy the monarchs are an orv team...the way they played in the ncaa's last year didn't exactly endear them to voters, i'm sure - they'll have a chance to move quickly if they were to beat teams like wooster (#3) or vwc (#11) or m'ville (orv) - the reason cnu started seasons like mc had last year in the top 15 is they had some tournament success the previous year...i'm hoping this is the year the monarchs take the next step
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:25:13 PM
Wow, narch.  You must have taken the advanced course.  Maybe I should curb my use of them after all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 04:29:07 PM
i did notice that catholic, a team that mc beat on their home floor last year and that did not MAKE the ncaa tournament, is ranked #25 - i'm sure they are returning all 5 starters and 9 of their top 10 players since the monarchs are only returning 4 starters and 8 of their top 10 players, right
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:30:26 PM
narch –

I don't understand what you mean by "the reason cnu started seasons like mc had last year in the top 15 is they had some tournament success the previous year".  There are so many –'s an ...'s in that post that I can't understand it.  For us laymen that don't understand online forum-speak, please use more basic sentence structure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 04:35:49 PM
in the past, cnu has been ranked in the top 25 consistently after a season like the monarchs had (20-8) because they had some tournament success the previous year - it's not webspeak...just a bad run-on sentence...sorry  - a few words, properly placed would have taken care of the problem - "the reason cnu FOLLOWED seasons like mc had last year in the PRE-SEASON top 15 is THAT they had some tournament success the previous year"

and for the record - cua IS returning all 5 starters and all but one of their top 10 players...no wonder they're a top 25 team  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 04:44:55 PM
I see what you're saying narch, but I don't think there's much shame in losing a NCAA tournament game on the road.  I think that the reason your guys didn't get more votes is because of two words; SAM and PORTER.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 27, 2005, 04:55:35 PM
So CaptJ has tickets for Saturday's game???

I rec'd a phone call today at 12:30 - someone in Blacksburg calling me to say if I can make it in time, he has aticket to tonight's BC @ VT football game......dang it...I hate last minutes invites...I couldn't make it...that sounded like so much fun (or trouble, if you ask my wife)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 05:00:17 PM
I have four.  Free to anyone wearing blue and silver.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan on October 27, 2005, 05:05:12 PM
Not sure an old timer like me is ready for this board now. But Props to Pat for makeing it so nice and all!

All is right with the world. Round ball is about to begin. Loving the practices. Liking what I see at SU.  While we have lost two premier points, we come back with lots of bodies and make improvements. We are solid and should be in that 3-4 position most of the year with hopes of catching lightning in a bottle come tourney time!

Onie will be Player of the year though! With the help of those around him. his game is getting better and better. Watch out for Stevie and Jerimiah though! wow I love this game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 05:15:17 PM
noxious -

Welcome back, but try to play nicely with the kids this year, OK.  I'm really looking forward to seeing your guys in the Freeman Center this year.  It's a treat to see good players like Onie, regardless of who they are playing for.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 05:23:07 PM
captj - yeah...sam was a stud BUT, believe it or not, i think he can be replaced and i think the monarchs could be better this year than last - i think radmanovich will step up and play to his ability, and if he decides to bang around inside and pulls some boards, he's more gifted offensively than porter - i think that williams and moore have the body type to be very good post players and both play solid post defense...remember, nobody thought much of seth thomas or robert lee after their respective first year in the program, and both had break-out sophomore seasons...i think williams and/or moore could could take similar steps (although williams is a jr, the anology still works) - i like what i'm hearing about mcevoy - he could be the shot blocker mc didn't have last year and having him back there allows the perimeter defenders to get even MORE aggressive - if he can give 12-14 productive minutes a night that's huge for mc - robert lee is a year older, wiser and better - lastly, i think seth thomas and eugene grant are ready to put this team on their backs and carry them the way sam did at times - thomas WILL BE the poty (no disrespect to onie...he's nice and i sure would like to pair him up with the mc perimeter guys) - thomas does EVERYTHING so well - i actually thought he was more important for mc than porter last year...but i understand why the monarchs aren't getting more love, and i'm ok with that...they'll have a chance to prove themselves with that schedule!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 06:07:37 PM
narch –

I actually had to look up McEvoy.  I didn't remember him at all, which has to concern you since he's 6-11.  He definitely had a lot of blocks for the limited PT he had, but a lot of fouls as well.  You've got to be concerned with his FG% as well.  But he definitely could have improved since last year.  He's a senior, so if not now, when?

Williams and Moore (especially) were pretty low on your depth chart last year, but both do seem Porter-like physically.  But if you recall, I was a big Porter fan, and I think you're dreaming if you think these guys can replace him.  He had a tenacity that was something that you just can't acquire because you want to.

Your guys should be good on the perimeter, but for them to be REALLY good you'll need to be correct about a couple of these untested post players.  Dragen HAS to play strong down low, but to me it seemed like he spent a lot of time outside trying to get free for jumpers.  Don't get me wrong, I like his game and picked him as All-Conference HM, but I wonder if he's going to throw his body into the boards like you need him to.  I think he will.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 27, 2005, 06:08:48 PM
I totally agree with you Narch. Sam was good but, his void will be filled. The Monarchs have lost good players in the past(Byrd,Brown, & Hatch) but, always seemed to to better the following year. Someone will step up and put the team on their backs. This year they have two very capable players in Thomas & Grant.

There is no question Onunuka is a great player but Seth Thomas will be the POY in the conference as long as he stays healthy.

Didn't the Monarchs beat Catholic @ Catholic and split with Hampden-Sydney? I guess they still have something to prove.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on October 27, 2005, 06:14:48 PM
CaptJ,

Your right Porter is a tough void to fill but, these post players collectively can be effective for the Monarchs. Williams step up for MC last year toward the end of the season ask SU. He could be that breakout player Narch is talking about but, only time will tell. Also, keep an eye on freshman Travis McBryde he could be a special player down the road for the Monarchs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 27, 2005, 06:16:09 PM
Wow!  The Bishops have 12 players 6-4 or taller!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 27, 2005, 10:24:59 PM
Im tellin you right now, the Bishops will beat plenty of teams in conference this year. They are coming off a great finish from last year, and return a crap load of kids from last year's team. They are definitely in the top 3 at the end of the year, I have to think they will be. As good as those kids are, watch out, they could sneak a split in with Methodist and could very well win 75% of their game in conference. Im scared of them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 27, 2005, 10:31:14 PM
goose - i'm with you, bro...if thompson can motivate them to play, which isn't a given...i've seen ncwc simply roll over more than any other team in the conference over the last few years - i don't think they will quit on him though...the players just don't seem to be that type of guys, although, there was the conference tournament final last year....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 08:31:47 AM
hops, narch –

There's no question that your untested post players COULD step up and be equal, or close to equal, of Sam Porter.  But I think you're wearing rose colored glasses if you think replacing a player like that is that easy, or even likely.  The problem is, you can't send them all out on the court "collectively".  There's that silly 5-players-on-the-court rule that should prevent that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on October 28, 2005, 10:09:41 AM
November means basketball season...and the return of Bspears!  How is everybody doing?  Where is my boy "Swoosh Thug" and "Rump Doggy Dogg"?  Check out the new graphics  :) ;D ???!  I am back in the area after living in Florida the past two years and I definitely will be in attendance for more then a few SU games this season!  Let's go ahead and start the Obie Trice P.O.Y. campaign.

GO HORNETS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 28, 2005, 11:51:35 AM
CaptJ,

I think I'll just pay the $10 at the gate and support the team that way. Bummer I didn't buy season tickets this year (first time) but I didn't think I could make many games, and I've been to all but 1. Just called in my $$$ for hoops season tickets. I hope the halftime food in the President's room is good again this year!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 28, 2005, 12:29:35 PM
cnu85-
   That was about the only thing good about last year!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 12:39:52 PM
That's cool 85, but I bet you can't get seats anywhere near as good as mine.  Inside the forties, four rows up, on the aisle. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 28, 2005, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: captj on October 28, 2005, 08:31:47 AMThere's no question that your untested post players COULD step up and be equal, or close to equal, of Sam Porter. But I think you're wearing rose colored glasses if you think replacing a player like that is that easy, or even likely
that's why we play the season...as much as i like sam porter and his game, i don't think any one player is bigger than the program and unable to be replaced - i think what mc will miss MOST about sam isn't the stuff on the court - he was a true leader on this team - guys like thomas, grant and lee are going to have to fill that void more than the play on the court, in my opinion - but those guys know nothing but winning with 3 straight conference championships, and the younger guys all talk about rings and championships, not individual stuff, so i think they'll be able to lead by example and by getting vocal when needed...of course, i could be dead wrong and the monarchs could be horrible this year without porter :)

'85 - give a donation at the door and take captj's tickets...those sound like NICE seats :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on October 28, 2005, 12:58:13 PM
How could you marry Kevin?

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 12:59:06 PM
85 -

Another thing you could do is use my tickets and then put the ten bucks into the 50-50 raffle... three wins that day would be so sweet! (1 - CNU over those pesky Bishops, 2- free seats, and 3- several hundred bucks in the raffle)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 28, 2005, 04:18:55 PM
Captj is full of good ideas....the first 3 seasons my tickets were 1st row 47 yd line, on the aisle.....it was too low....couldn't see 1/4 of the field over the players. Last year I went higher. Next year, I'll go high again.

Not sure about tomorrow.....If I decide to go, how do I get ahold of the tickets? I tend to do everything last minute....2 kids, wife, dog, etc.....I may end up going by myself or take my daughter and a nephew......like I said everything last minute....as in the last minute offer of a ticket to last night's VT game....just think, I could be still hungover right now!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 04:29:48 PM
85 -

I just e-mailed my telephone number to you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on October 28, 2005, 04:43:43 PM
All this hoops talk has me thinking about ex-Captains and where they might be today.  Wasn't Tim Collins supposed to have gone to an ODAC school to play baseball (RMC)?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 29, 2005, 09:41:33 AM
Tim ended up at Radford, Im pretty sure. I know he isnt at RMC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 29, 2005, 12:01:26 PM
Tim is at Radford (or was last year) and was contemplating a walk on in baseball. I'll check for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 29, 2005, 12:06:03 PM
Captj,

I just checked my email. I didn't see anything unless you were also offering to eliminate my debt or to get me a nursing degree. I did notice that your message on here was at 4:30 yesterday. I bet I deleted it, not recognizing you. It's time to head to the game anyway. If I was really smart I would have walked a few yards down the street and gotten a ticket from the Voice of The Captains.

A few hours away from everything is just what I need know. Let's hope for an upset of MC today!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 29, 2005, 12:54:48 PM
He's quite mad at you for not asking him too cnu85. He's feelings are delicate you know!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on October 29, 2005, 10:35:10 PM
I'll buy Captj a pepsi Nov 18th....send email again, so i figure out who you are.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 06, 2005, 12:32:07 PM
Less than two weeks to go!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 08, 2005, 08:52:31 AM
Friend of mine ref'd CNU scrimmage this past Sunday afternoon--said they looked pretty good. He is working this Friday when CNU scrimmages Hampton-Sydney.   Would love to be a fly on the wall for that one, but like the Sunday scrimmage he thinks it's closed.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 08, 2005, 01:13:30 PM
Its HSC, anything's possible. When I was a student at CNU, I travelled with the team to HSC to learn how to do the stat program, there was at least 100-150 there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 08, 2005, 06:28:08 PM
The Daily Press had an article with a projected starting line up of Selden, Romeo, Purdham, Blasingame, and Lewis.  Interesting.  I predict that two of the five will change by conference time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 08, 2005, 06:53:32 PM
Which two ya think captj?   I bet at least one will be different next week!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 08:14:57 AM
I'm not going to say.  You can read my old posts if you like to figure it out.  I just think that we've got some very talented young guys that will work their way into much larger roles as time goes on.  And although he is incredibly skilful, at least one of the projected starters is playing completely out of position (in my very unqualified opinion).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 08:27:19 AM
Well, we'll see what happens.  From what I hear they're about nine deep right now--those that will see considerable playing time....of course that could change.   I'll give you my one....CJ will not start any of the freshman next week, but expect a couple of them to see significant playing time!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 09, 2005, 08:46:38 AM
I think for the first game we are going to see something we arent used to, but by game two, I think the line up will be Selden, Romeo, McShepard, Lewis and Blasingame.

By the way, the men's media guide is up.  Get it http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/Men%27s%20Basketball%20Media%20Guide%202005-06.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 09:02:05 AM
Goose, agree.....except Blasingame....I think Mike Witham will start at the "5"....hear he's playing well and is as strong as an ox!   Blasingame will see a lot of action....think he'll be an adequate replacement for the loss of Chebanne.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:45:22 AM
game –

I guess you would have a pretty informed idea about Blasingame vs. Witham because of your perspective.  I wonder why CJ would announce to the media that Blasingame would start if he isn't going to.  The last couple of years have proven that CJ has lost any reluctance that he might have once had to start freshmen.  I think that Hepner was the first ever, then Short started as a freshman the very next year.   Speaking of Hepner, can you believe that we would have him back this year again if he hadn't transferred?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:46:35 AM
How about this as a "could have had" team –

Mark Hepner
David Turner
Jordan Short
Amine Chebane
Catlin Pruitt
Korey Lewis
Jeremy Romeo
Donta Selden
Adam Purdham
Mike Witham
Trent Dickerson
Mark Blasingame
Billy McShepherd
Davon Barton
On or two of the other newcomers since we've now run out of roster space.

Would this be a better team?  Who knows?  But I'd sure like to have those first four or five guys back.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 11:17:50 AM
Captj, lol--thank you for letting my "informed" perspective slide ;D....but you're right, looking at past stats, if some of those guys would have stayed--whew!  Not sure where that Daily Press thing came from....they listed Lewis at the "5"......he'll primarily be the "4."   I noted CJ's comment on Riley in the media guide, comparing him to Carey....I hear he is VERY athletic and can REALLY rise--let's hope so!!  And, let's hope this group stays together!  I'm sure CJ would like to bring the freshman along slowly, but not sure he'll be able too.....to bad you can't teach experience!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 11:21:58 AM
I completely forgot about Krizzio Washington and Reggie Halsey, two of the most purely athletic players we've seen for a while.  They don't appear in any of the archive rosters on the CNU website.  What could they have done so terribly wrong to be "virtually" erased from the program?

I'd like to see a starting team like this –

Catlin Pruitt   G, 6-1
Jeremy Romeo   G, 6-1
Jordan Short   G/F, 6-2
Korey Lewis   F/C, 6-7
Mark Hepner    F/C, 6-7

With these guys coming off the bench first –

Davon Barton   G, 6-2
Donta Selden   G, 5-11
Adam Purdham   G/F, 6-3
Mike Witham   C/F, 6-7
Mark Blasingame   F/C, 6-8
Amine Chebane   C, 6-9
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 09, 2005, 11:34:38 AM
Well, I guess this year the question may be who is the third option after Lewis and Romeo?  Or, do they really need a third option?  Fortunately, it seems they'll have plenty of time to figure out those issues prior to conference play.  Let's keep our fingers crossed that they stay healthy!

Did not hear about Halsey, but heard Washington could REALLY compete....and like you said, was very athletic. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:20:45 PM
Halsey was a 6-5 basketball and TRACK star in high school.  400 meter champion.  Huge speed and athleticism.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 09, 2005, 10:37:41 PM
game –

Romeo and Lewis should be the go to guys offensively, but we have to get more than that.  Selden can light up the scoreboard from the 2 position, but if he's looking primarily to dish the rock from the point?  I don't see the points there.  Purdham is better defensively than offensively, but can shoot.  I guess the points will have to come from your guy.  Good defensive teams do win championships though, so maybe that will be this team's specialty.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 09, 2005, 10:42:04 PM
captj - i'd take the team the monarchs ACTUALLY have against the fictional cnu team you've put up below...fortunately the monarchs haven't lost many players of substance the last few years, so the fictional monarchs wouldn't get much better...jordan snipes who transferred to guilford (and hit the 80 ft shot against rmc last year) would be a junior, but he'd be coming off the bench as a 2/3 behind thomas, lee and grant (maybe that's part of the reason he left)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 08:20:16 AM
cap, not sure my guy is ready--hopefully as the season moves on he will step up--I think he has the tools, more concerned about the strength (about another 10 lbs. and he'll be there)/experience (can tell he is enjoying himself though--sounds like CJ has a very good group of young men).....but think Riley may be ready--Ed has a little 'tude that comes from his previous experience.   Guess we'll start finding out in a week....it'll be fun watching'em mature.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 09:15:25 AM
Well from what I hear, I think Blasingame and the dark horse that no one is talking about, Billy McShepard will be in the starting line up by the end of the year, if not sooner. I also heard that Witham was playing very well in practice, I just hear that a day or two ago. I think Selden will start at the point.

ballgame-Athleticism must run in the family!! I saw Allison (I think thats her name) play against Jamestown in volleyball earlier this year and that girl has some game!! Get her to come and play for CNU!!!

One person capt your forgetting about, even though I think he may have had only one semester of eligibility left was Roderic Carey. Imagine him back in the second half of the year during conference season when they would need him the most.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 10, 2005, 10:40:56 AM
narch –

You're probably right.  I said that we would be BETTER if we still had these guys, not that we'd be the best.  I think we'd still not be as strong at the 1 as we need to be to be really great.

But, who knows?  Maybe the guys that we have now (that would not be on the team if all the guys I mentioned were still here) will actually turn out to better than those that have left prematurely.  Maybe these guys will have the "chemistry" together to be great some day.  I hope so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 10:50:14 AM
Goose, most definitely appreciate the comment on Ali...in all honesty did not see that one coming, as it turns out looks like she'll be the best athlete of the three (she is the youngest).   I hope you're right on Billy my source tells me (and you and captj have about figured that one out--only reason I didn't want anyone to know is so folks will hopefully interpret my opinions as "unbiased.") that he has tons of talent--just needs to work on his defense a little.  But think you're right, we'll see him on the floor a lot....a 6'9" three...that'll be something and he's every bit of 6'9", those numbers were definitely not exaggerated!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 10, 2005, 10:51:18 AM
I am soooo ready for this season to begin.  The great thing about college basketball is that you almost never know what is going to happen.  Teams that are expected to be great often turn out to be huge disappointments.  Dark horses become champions.  And there are always players that exceed their supposed limitations.  Maybe the Captains will be the surprise team this year.  But, win or lose, I'll be right there on the second row embarrassing myself (and my wife) with my often irresponsible enthusiasm.  And to the lousy referees we will certainly see; beware the wrath of CaptJ!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 10, 2005, 10:57:57 AM
game –

I don't know if you know this or not, but when someone clicks on your "ballgame" username in your post, your profile pops up with your e-mail address on it.  With yours it is pretty easy to tell who you are.  Goose and I aren't exactly super sleuths to figure it out.  And if we can figure it out, what with our public university education and all, you just know that the other posters here knew as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
Lol....I am just super dumb captj....I swear...thought I had fixed that...and I was giving you guys all the credit in the world!! :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 02:27:50 PM
ballgame-
     Im not going to lie to you. CNU vb coach asked me about my thoughts on the match, she knew I was going and I told her the one and only person who stood out in my mind was Alison, even more so then Ashley Moore. She's got a ton of talent and I talked her up to Coach Sheppard. What year is she anyway? Junior?

     McShepard is every bit of 6-9. Quick and can apparently hit from anywhere on the floor. Should be excited to say the least. I know I cant wait til Nov. 18. Although, if the CNU women's soccer team continues to win, Im gonna be torn. Coach and I are good friends and I know he's going to expect me to be there!! I think his defense will come around in time and hopefully if he stays, and can have a healthy career, he could become a very good player.

    Hey dont be bustin on my CNU edumacation now!!  I earned it!! I think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 10, 2005, 03:03:31 PM
for kicks, i decided to see what the monarch lineup might look like if the guys who left school or were still in school and not playing were still with the program - i found 3 players who had left early but would still have eligibility

chris mark - an athletic 6-6 forward who played just the first semester last year and avg 5.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg in 10.7 mpg

joe standley - 6-6 post with 3 pt range who is still in school - one time starter had some injury issues, but rumor was that he was going to give playing a go this season...doesn't seem likely

jordan snipes - 6-3 g/f - averaged 8.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg and shot 37% from 3 for guilford last year

if those 3 had stayed, the monarch roster would look like this (if you replaced them with the 3 current players who got the fewest minutes last year) - the monarchs would certainly be much bigger and more athletic on the inside

mark - 6-6, so, f
standley - 6-6, sr, f/c
snipes - 6-3, jr, g/f

hairston - 6-0, so, g
mcdonald - 6-2, fr, g
terry - 6-3, fr, g
lee - 6-0, jr, g
grant - 6-2, sr, g
carter - 6-3, so, g
thomas - 6-4, sr, g/f
williams - 6-4, jr, f
radmanovic - 6-7, jr, f
mcbryde - 6-5, fr, f
moore - 6-4, so, f
mcevoy - 6-10, sr, c

and i think every one of the guys on the roster now would still be here...i don't think any of them would have been scared off by the presence of the guys who aren't here, especially standley and snipes who would be a sr and a jr - the only guy who would have been really competing directly for pt with an underclassmen (of these players) would have been mcbryde (with mark), but travis' committment to mc wasn't based on playing time

i'm hearing that there is a potential d1 (recruited walk-on) transfer and a long-shot d2 transfer in the works for the spring semester - the d2 was a kid that i wrote about this summer as a possibility for the fall - he's a 6-6 shooter, but i don't think he'll materialize (he didn't for the fall, no reason to believe he'll be here this spring) - the d1 transfer has much better potential of enrolling...he's from fayetteville and apparently life as a walk-on wasn't fulfilling enough - he's a shooter, great ballhandler and very bright...we'll see what materializes - spring transfer's are not really something that happens often at mc, so i don't know how i feel about them, but i guess as long as they don't upset chemistry and they can contribute...bring 'em on
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame1 on November 10, 2005, 03:45:20 PM
Goose, thanks again for Ali, she is a sophomore and has set some pretty lofty goals for herself.  We are very proud of her; the girl definitely loves to play.  I have become a bonafide volleyball fan that's for sure.  We are all familiar with the outstanding program Coach Sheppard runs at CNU--she is definitely WELL thought of around the Williamsburg Volleyball Club.

Let's hope these guys stick together and then maybe at some point we'll give Narch and  his boys down South a run for their money.  Can understand about being torn Goose...my wife asked me last night what I'll do if Grafton volleyball makes the state playoffs and has a game next Friday--man I don't want to even go there?  Anyway good luck with that one....look on the bright side--lots of CNU b-ball at home!

Narch, agree you have to be careful with "chemistry" especially on a team that's picked to win the USA South!   Sure CNU is working hard to add some experience too, but have not heard anything.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 06:50:26 PM
Anytime ballgame. I didnt realize she was just a sophomore. Tons of talent there, thats for sure!! Check your messages, i sent you one thru here.

Whats up with my karma. Too many people smite me, im not Bruce Almighty in saying smite me almighty smiter!!

Sheesh.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 10, 2005, 08:31:37 PM
Goose, wish the H-M scrimmage was local...to bad....some good comp for the team. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 10, 2005, 10:58:37 PM
Friday's scrimmage at HSC will be a good test. Wish I could be there. Ill get a report from my inside mole tho, I will promise you that!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 11, 2005, 08:34:51 AM
Goose, looking forward to some feedback on the scrimmage!  One week away from opening night!  It will be SVA's sixth game I think...so they should have most of their kinks out.     

Side bar, my heartfelt feeling go out to the CNU volleyball team.....what a heartbreaker!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 11, 2005, 05:04:20 PM
I echo those sentiments on the volleyball team. Going up 2-0 and losing the last three isnt a fun way to go out. But they return everyone but the twins and have a fantastic nucleus to work from.

Ill be speaking to my "mole" tomorrow afternoon and see if I can get some insider info on the way the Capts played.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 12, 2005, 11:03:12 PM
man...i'm just not ready to start thinking hoops yet...let's hope something CRAZY happens and the monarchs make the football playoffs on sunday :)  ;D  ;) :D  8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 12, 2005, 11:10:36 PM
Ya lets see, all CNU fall sports are done now, so, its Southern Virginia on Friday in the season opener. Ya did I just say Southern Virginia?? Crap thats, wow, nevermind, i need to go to bed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 13, 2005, 08:36:54 AM
Goose, so it's officially basketball season?   H-S scrimmage was not great....lol....will not embellish....looking forward to the game Friday!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 13, 2005, 09:39:42 AM
Ya I echo those sentiments ballgame on the HSC scrimmage, thats why I didnt post anything!!!  Either way, they have today, and Tuesday thru Thursday (off monday because of ADs meeting) to get the ship right for a Southern Virginia team who will already have a few games under its belt. Wow, again, opening with So. VA. Cant wait till Tuesday when the Marlins come to town.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 13, 2005, 11:20:48 AM
Come on, guys.  At least tell us who got the most PT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 13, 2005, 12:51:57 PM
captj,
Think we started Selden, Romeo, Purdham, Lewis and Witham.....with Dickerson, Barton, Blasingame and Coleman coming off the bench.   Riley was hurt....ankle.   Know we lost the first two periods, first pretty bad, second was closer, won the third--with Trent shooting very well.  Probably first time we experienced having the passing lanes "really" denied this year.....can create bit of havoc when trying to get into your offense.   Think we'll be OK Friday.....but you guys know this better than me....but imagine the VWC game will be a bit "faster."     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 13, 2005, 02:53:31 PM
I heard the second half was won at the buzzer and the first half wasnt very close at all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 13, 2005, 03:58:48 PM
I see the let jared and matt walk on this year... thats good for them. Will they see any playing time.


So how was the HS game. i didnt see it i just know what the players told me.
They were handled the first half but then played about even the rest of the way
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 13, 2005, 04:13:22 PM
CNUJ should be able to handle southern virginia easily to start off their season right...


Mike Witham will be a big player this year. he has waited for his time and he will take advantage. he is big and strong with soft hands.. good luck witham

ps. Catlin pruits juco team is 2-0 and he is starting with 17ppg
dancers team scrimmaged Slippery Rock U (d2) on sunday and they won both halfs, he had around 15
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 13, 2005, 06:53:19 PM
Quote from: captj on October 25, 2005, 03:04:07 PMif he starts more than half of PSA's games this year I will pay for your gas to go to Altoona to see him play in their 1st round NCAA tournament game

3 -

The offer still stands.  Methinks you have too high an opinion of your buddy Range.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 13, 2005, 08:24:57 PM
where is pruit enrolled?

nevermind...googled him - he's at brunswick cc south of wilmington
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on November 13, 2005, 04:13:22 PM
dancers team scrimmaged Slippery Rock U (d2) on sunday and they won both halfs, he had around 15
newportplayer - got a call from a former mc assistant and player who happens to be coaching at slippery rock and he said that psa didn't even come CLOSE to winning EITHER half in their scrimmage...in fact, sru was up by 20+ in one half and won by double digits in both - he did confirm that dancer probably scored around 15 - said dancer played some in the post for psa and stepped out and hit a couple 3's against a 4 who was slow getting out - he didn't think that dancer was the leading scorer for psa, but he might have been - he said psa would be a bottom feeder in the usasac - dancer did start for them, and i'll bet that he starts more than half of psa's games, but they WON'T be playing a first round home tournament game...looks like a pretty safe bet, captj
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 14, 2005, 01:05:22 PM
You never cease to amaze me, narch.  Slippery Rock!?  Your sphere of influence knows no bounds.  Your karma just went up, dude.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 01:35:13 PM
j - gotta network, bro - i'm hoping one of these former mc coaches will land a head coaching gig at a big time d1 and make me an assistant  ;D

oh, thanks for the karma point...it's been slipping steadily on the football board - i need all the karma i can get
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 14, 2005, 03:35:23 PM
Well his opinion i respect...his information is highly wrong. I know for a fact that PSA won the first half 34-33. Both taems emptied their bench in the second half. i dont want to start a debate, i just figured you guys would liek to know what some former captians would be up too.

So how many points you think Romeo will average this year? With out blake he will have to get his shot off byhimself alot more i think
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 04:00:40 PM
player - with all due respect, if you weren't there, i'll believe the person that was :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 14, 2005, 09:06:47 PM
I talked to someone who played in the game
and someone who was in the stands    :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*


Is rhone or Purnell back from SU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2005, 10:50:24 PM
player...not sure what the motivation to lie would be for a coach who i've known for 5 or 6 years, and who gave a pretty honest appraisal of his own team (he said they were 2 years away from being a really solid team, but would struggle a bit this year with 9 new players on the roster) - choose to believe who you would like...

how exactly does this relate to the usasac, again? :)

rhone and purnell were both seniors, but onie is back - speaking of onie, i've heard frosh travis mcbryde for mc compared to onie as a frosh...that's exciting, 'cause i love his game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on November 14, 2005, 10:56:08 PM
same with me...but i dont wanna get into it i was just trying to give some information that people might wanna know.

rhone was pretty nice. SU could be really ncie this year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 15, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
Rhone and Purnell were nice, except when Purnell was getting T'd up or Rhone couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. Should be interesting to see how things go this year. Im anxious for next Tuesday's game at home against VA Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 15, 2005, 12:49:00 PM
gto my tix...ready for Friday....I wish the concession would bring back the bar-b-q sandwich or have some pizza. hot dogs aren't cutting it anymore!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 16, 2005, 01:24:47 PM
 8)  ive been going to the captains b-ball games since 1998 and this is the first year i didnt buy season tickets.  i hope they are better then last years team.  i remember trent dickerson in some ganes last year and i think he can be a good player for the captains. he had sick handles and a good midrange jumper.  if they get some quality play from him and the new guys they should at least be fun to watch
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 16, 2005, 01:31:54 PM
Goose, about 54 hours and counting.....we going to have a full roster Friday as far as you know?   Did not realize SoVA was a Mormon school.  Not sure if they are like BYU and a lot of their players go on a mission first.    Translates to older and sometimes stronger.   Then faster your seatbelt VWC on Tuesday!

cun85, are you a season ticket holder?   Just curious, assumed you were since I thought ticket sales start tomorrow for Friday's game.   Imagine it will be a packed house!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 16, 2005, 01:50:12 PM
Ballgame - yep I'm a season ticket holder...have been for a few years. It's been fun....Campus is only 2.5 miles down the road....it's nice to be able to leave the house at 6:30 or even 6:45 and make it to the game in time. I'm usually home while the post game is still on 99.1.

The past few years have been tough...even with an 18-8 record last year. CNU has not dominated anyone in the past few years. I hope Ross has done a good job recruiting!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 16, 2005, 02:00:38 PM
cnu, thanks for the info--looking through the media guide it is quite a "standard" set by past teams.  I do hope for the very best.....as we've discussed a couple of times, a lot of new additions.   Let's hope young and old mesh quickly. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 16, 2005, 02:11:05 PM
That's the fun part about being a fan.....I have high hopes every year. Friday night will be fun.....the tournaments are fun as well....but the atmosphere during thanksgiving and new year is dead..no students, no pep band..sometimes no cheerleaders....just us old people in the chairbacks....you'll see us!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 16, 2005, 02:23:07 PM
We will get you acclamated (sp? for narch) to CNU basketball. Southern Virginia is a mormon school and they are affiliated with BYU and they do have their kids go on missions. I think we are undefeated all-time against the Knights of So.VA. Should be fun. As far as a full line up is concerned, I wouldnt know. But as Ive said before, Im predicting a very very difference line up for Friday night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 16, 2005, 02:57:32 PM
Goose, you're cracking me up, "very, very" different.....I can only imagine.  Probably a phrase that may be repeated quite a bit over the next month or so!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 16, 2005, 04:08:53 PM
Oh I think we will see many different line ups over the course of the season until they get the right chemistry on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 16, 2005, 05:23:23 PM
Will the games be aired on AM1470 and 99.1 or just 99.1.....which I can't pick up inside the Freeman Center!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 16, 2005, 06:12:35 PM
eddie –

Why no season tickets this year?  Don't give up the ship!  Our once-mighty program is going to be great once again, and I predict soon.  We might be experiencing some growing pains as a school and as a basketball program, but I am more excited than I've ever been about Captains basketball.

And for those of us that didn't learn our hoops on the inner-city playgrounds, what the heck does "sick handles" mean?  Good ball handler?  Good defense?

Go Captains!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:31:28 AM
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 09:00:54 AM
yes captj sick handles does mean exceptional ball handling skills. You will have to forget Eddie, he's under 30, a CNU grad (I think). He and I were there at the same time!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 17, 2005, 09:26:34 AM
I love it - "sick handles".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 17, 2005, 09:37:53 AM
OK, Dickerson has sick handles, so how are his court vision and passing skills?  Hmm... maybe he would be good at the point. 

And in case there are no playground terms for "court vision" and "passing skills", I submit "wicked looks" and "Magic dish" for your approval.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 10:59:17 AM
Those just might work captj, those just might work.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 17, 2005, 01:54:54 PM
why yes goose i did get my degree.  i used to get info on season tickets in the mail but i moved so i never went up to buy them.  but dont worry capj i will be at all the games as long as im in town
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 04:53:20 PM
Eddie-
    But you have to admit, its not the same as before when Ratcliffe was around and the 22 Shoe boys and you cant forget "Baker" on the front row courtside right in the visiting teams grill talkin smack!! Those were the days!! Thats for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 17, 2005, 05:55:05 PM
Goose –

You conjure such happy memories.  Remember David Powell burying threes from waaaaaay downtown?  Jeff McLean slashing to the basket and Andre Bolton sticking daggers into the hearts of opposing teams one point at a time from the free throw stripe as the crowd roared, Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye!!!!!

The Captains will be great again!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 17, 2005, 09:33:54 PM
Ya captj I have to admit, I saw David Powell bury threes but Jeff McLean and Andre Bolton were before my time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 17, 2005, 10:42:55 PM
ah the good 'ol days of cnu lore...THEY'RE OVER, and the monarchs rule the roost now (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06preview.htm), boys :)

i'm kidding (sort of) of course :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 18, 2005, 04:39:37 AM
narch –

The Monarchs ruled the roost in 04-05, but unless I'm mistaken, they're 0-0 like everyone else.  You should know better than to go claiming championships before the first shot has even been taken.  I'm kidding too, sort of.  I think that you're just a little bit sore that you don't have any other Methodist posters on this board for YOU to reminisce with.  What is up with that?

Seriously, I'm just looking forward to Friday night and to finally seeing our new guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 18, 2005, 07:25:19 AM
captj, the Daily Press hit the nail on the head; "fans will get their first look at a bunch of new faces as the Captains open the season......"   Cannot believe basketball season is finally here.  Good luck Caps!!

Narch, it's nice to have the Monarchs as a rival again, just like my days (very old days) back at the 'Broke.  Speaking of those guys they are 1-0 for the first time in how many years?  They beat Billy Lee and his F-M team.  Guess Coach Lee signed on late.....he'll have that program turned around in no time.  Good luck Narch, looking forward to seeing you guys around the neighborhood again! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2005, 08:11:41 AM
Quote from: captj on November 18, 2005, 04:39:37 AM
narch –
The Monarchs ruled the roost in 04-05,
and 02-03 and 03-04....be sure you get that right, captj...the seniors will be gunning for ring #4

Quote from: captj on November 18, 2005, 04:39:37 AMunless I'm mistaken, they're 0-0 like everyone else.  You should know better than to go claiming championships before the first shot has even been taken.
i didn't claim a championship, but even you would have to admit that at this point in the pre-season, the monarchs are the favorites

Quote from: captj on November 18, 2005, 04:39:37 AMI think that you're just a little bit sore that you don't have any other Methodist posters on this board for YOU to reminisce with.  What is up with that?
it would be nice to see more monarch posters, but i KNOW that there are a lot of monarch lurkers...'cause i get calls and emails from them (you know, to tell me things about teams like slippery rock, etc) - i think hoops hops might be a closet monarch fan with some insight into the program :)

ballgame - uncp will be better this year with some of the recruits they brought in, but they will never compete in the pbac...there are at least 3 guys that the monarchs recruited heavily the last few years who chose uncp because of the scholly - one of them isn't currently on the roster and i hear he's red-shirting (not sure if it's medical or not), one was the leading scorer for them vs. oklahoma and the other is a 6'6" freshman - they would all be really good d3 players, but they won't make uncp competetive in the pbac...you've got to have a roster full of really good d2 players (and maybe some d1 re-treads) to be competetive in the pbac...that's a big boy d2 conference - st. andrews isn't very good right now, either - it will take billy lee a few years to get his guys and system in, but i could see them competing in the cvac (another very good d2 conference) in 3 or 4 years - mc scrimmaged sapc last weekend and, from what i heard, looked pretty good
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 18, 2005, 08:51:30 AM
Narch, thanks for keeping me straight.  I forgot it was S-A, not F-M.  How could I forget S-A right over in Laurinburg!  Possibly because it was another hated rival?   I agree with all of your comments....the Broke' has a long way to go and I honestly believe Billy will have S-A up to speed sooner.  He definitely has the gift of gab and is a master recruiter. 

Good luck to your guys...look forward to seeing you around the neighborhood.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 18, 2005, 11:31:19 AM
narch –

You're the one that said that "the Monarchs rule the roost now" as though you are the 05-06 champions.  You're absolutely correct that your guys are on a great run now and the ones to beat again this year, but you've been around long enough to know that pre-season expectations should be taken with a grain of salt.  How many of those recent championships were in years when the Monarchs were the pre-season favorite?  If I remember correctly, NCW was the pre-season favorites a couple of years, or maybe we were.  As a long-time CNU fan I can safely say that the team-to-beat's wardrobe includes a shirt with a very large bull's eye on it.  I think that we should play it out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2005, 01:23:56 PM
j - thanks for recognizing the "now" in my earlier post...i guess since we haven't tipped off the 05-06 season yet, i consider the fact that mc is the reigning conference champions to be the here-and-now  ;D - at the very least, it's much more recent than the success that cnu enjoyed in ratcliffe - maybe i should have said "the monarchs have ruled the roost the last 3 seasons"

if memory serves me correct, mc was picked #5, #4 and #1 in the last 3 pre-season polls...this team understands how to play with the bulls-eye and this fan understands that pre-season polls don't mean jack :) - forgive me for being excited about the possibility of continued success in the conference with this team - i think they COULD be better than they were last year, but everyone thinks that before the season tips off, don't they?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 18, 2005, 01:52:24 PM
got my tickets baby.  i just saw dp last friday hes doing good theese days.  my best highlights always came from b.jones dunking on the other teams center.  actually he dunked on the whole team.  i cant remember anyone latly with ups like he had.  im sure narch will find somebody
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 18, 2005, 03:52:46 PM
Sorry, this reminiscing thing has me worked up.  How about that 1999-2000 (25-3) team we had –

All-World Antoine Sinclair (Jr.) led the team in scoring and rebounding (19.7/11.5)
Brandon Jones (Sr.) on one wing (17.6/5.6), and like eddie mentioned; he could jump through the rafters
Tiran Matthews (Sr.) on the other wing shooting 40% on threes (9.3 ppg)
Kenny Stokes (Sr.) was like a man among boys down in the paint; huge heart, great defender
Albert Haskins (So.) finally beat out Aaron Morris (a Florida State transfer) a third of the way through the season to win the point guard job

Terry Gray (Fr.) never started but still averaged 20 min/gm
Tyrell Veney (Fr.) would bruise and abuse opposing basketball and football players for a very long time
Rod Carey (Fr.) would become our best player years later
Jeremy Boykins (Fr.) was the brother of a CNU legend
Donte Henderson (Jr.) played in every game and shot 50% from the field (8.8 ppg)
Jimmy Moorman (Sr.) – Didn't he start at point guard a year earlier?
Louis Park (Fr.) transferred to VWC and became a starter there

What a team!!!  And look at how this team was DEVELOPED; lots of guys that played many, many years in the silver and blue.  We'll be back!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 04:57:57 PM
Kenny Stokes was a man cause he was 28 when he started here!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2005, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: captj on November 18, 2005, 03:52:46 PMWhat a team!!!  And look at how this team was DEVELOPED; lots of guys that played many, many years in the silver and blue.  We'll be back!!!!!

out of curiosity...how many of those guys were transfers? i know gray was a mid-season juco transfer...wasn't jones an odu transfer (i could be confusing him with someone else)? any others aside from morris?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 05:36:45 PM
Lets see. B.Jones came from ODU, Stokes was a transfer, Terry was a Norfolk kid but came back from a juco, and thats it. They were the only transfers on that team.


By the way, its almost game time!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 18, 2005, 05:42:04 PM
see u at da game goose
go capts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 08:42:40 PM
Barn burner here in Freeman. 71-70 with 4 seconds left and Davon Barton at the line. SOVA is up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 08:47:25 PM
Damn if we havent played an OT game in almost two years and we start this year off with one. 75-71 CNU with 4 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 08:58:34 PM
Playing without Jeremy Romeo and Korey Lewis, the Captains come from behind and defeat Southern Virginia 84-76.  Details to come.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 18, 2005, 09:15:28 PM
great game by #11  he played real good for a freshmen.  the only problem i had with the game was the two guys that started down low were horrible but #33 and #43 played great they need to be the first big men in the game when lewis gets back.  i didnt see mcsheperd play at all.  he had a few write ups in the daily press so i figured we would see him out there
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 18, 2005, 10:31:22 PM
Eddie-
    Dont blast the Blasingame kid. Ya he looked tentative out there, but give him a couple games and he's gonna be beast. He did have three blocks and six boards. He's just a freshman, he is going to develop into a great player.

     Barton was good, but eratic at teams. 0-of-7 from behind the arc. He too is a freshman and will only get better. But 21, 9 assists and 8 boards in his first game was solid and Edward Riley is going to be a beast. 19 and 13, reminds me of Sam Porter but not as thick.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 18, 2005, 10:55:21 PM
goose
what happened?  SVU that good this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on November 19, 2005, 07:58:31 AM
Goose, God bless your perspective.  It was a little disappointing and you can see it's a work in progress, but it will keep getting better as things settle.  Did you watch SVA warm-up before the game...they were all shooting from behind the arc.  They finished 7-25, but they definitely got some good looks.  Looked like they were a little leg weary late.  Plus they could not handle pressure at all--thank goodness!  Have to give all the credit in the world to Barton he really stepped up, as did Coleman and Riley.  It'll be nice to see Romeo and Lewis back in uniform Tuesday.    It's a long and winding road....we'll see where it leads.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 09:23:13 AM
Some good observations by all on the CNU OT win.  Here are some more –

SoVA was definitely tired at the end of the game, but so were our guys.  We basically had the same unit in for the duration of the comeback and you could see their exhaustion when CJ called timeout near the end.  HUGE heart in that comeback win.  You can't teach guts, and these guys had it.  Selden really impressed me, as did Matt Coleman.  Coleman played with intensity the entire game, and although he's still a project his strength and determination will help us out a lot.

However, for the first 30-35 minutes of the game I wasn't too impressed with our guy's determination.  Sure they responded down the stretch, but there were times when we just seemed to be on automatic pilot.  Defensively, we allowed way too many uncontested shots and layups.  On the other hand, SoVA was prepared after playing 5 games already, and played with intensity EVERY SINGLE SECOND of the regulation period.  That's why they forced so many turnovers and created so many open shots for themselves.  But when we stormed back and pushed it into OT it seemed like they were just too stunned and tired to stay with us.  We need to learn to play with that CONSISTENT intensity.

Edward Riley will be very, very good for the Captains.  He's not going to be intimidated by anyone.  Double-double (19/13) in his first game on 9 of 12 shooting.  Great start, and welcome to Newport News, Mr. Riley.

I'd have liked to see more from Blasingame.  I talked to CNU85 at the game and he made the comment that maybe the speed of college ball surprised him.  I think that's likely.  Game will be better though.  I liked his stroke on the free throws he made.  Nothing but net.

Davon Barton threw a coming out party for himself.  My concerns about the point guard position have officially been expunged.  He didn't shoot very efficiently but still put up 21 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, 4 turnovers, 5 steals.  He might have been the exception to my comment that we didn't play with intensity during the first 35 minutes.  When others around him weren't getting it done he stepped up big time.

Because of the suspension of our two top players, I suspect/hope that these two will be fired up on Tuesday.  We're going to need that and more (like 40 minutes of the intensity we saw in the last ten against SoVA).  I hope that the students will still be on campus and will fill the stands.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 19, 2005, 09:25:08 AM
i hope you are right goose but the kid had no energy at all.  i can count plenty of times he didnt even try to crash the boards.  missed a couple put backs from down low that my grandma could have made.  or maybe it was because the othe two guys just played better then him.  like i said before i hgope u are right goose.  as for whitam i dont see him playing much more after lewis gets back and the play of 33 and 43 and mark.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 19, 2005, 09:28:14 AM
mad props to barton he had some sweet passes.  he looks like a great kid to build around
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 09:29:06 AM
narch –

I don't care how many of the guys from that 99-00 team were transfers.  You quote my "DEVELOPED" comment as though bringing in transfers is not a good way to develop a team.  You know better than that.  I don't care how we GOT those guys, I care that we KEPT them. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 19, 2005, 09:41:22 AM
vwc lost by 3 to trinity,  so they will be fired up come tuesday.
go capts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2005, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: captj on November 19, 2005, 09:29:06 AM
narch –
I don't care how many of the guys from that 99-00 team were transfers.  You quote my "DEVELOPED" comment as though bringing in transfers is not a good way to develop a team.  You know better than that.  I don't care how we GOT those guys, I care that we KEPT them. 
j - i think you're reading WAY TOO MUCH into my post...i didn't mean to imply anything negative about the fact that there were 4 transfers on that team...just wondered how many there were - it does seem that recent renditions of the captains have had fewer transfers, and thus were "DEVELOPED" differently, but in no way did i imply anything negative...sorry if you took it that way
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2005, 11:17:14 AM
i don't want anyone to misconstrue this comment, so i'll make it very clear...i mean nothing negative or derogatory toward cnu when i ask this question, i simply do not know the answer...is southern va any good? 

i saw they were 2-3 and very small (only two players over 6'4" on their roster), but i know NOTHING about any of their opponents to this point - i know the sova football team is pretty terrible, but i imagine it's easier to field a competetive hoops team than it is to field a football team when you are a lds school (smaller roster size in hoops)...there are only so many football playing lds kids, and the mission requirement would be tough to overcome on the field, i imagine
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 19, 2005, 11:42:54 AM
And the Marlins still have to play a tenacious NC Wesleyan team Sunday before heading to Newport News on Tuesday. Should be very interesting. Im looking forward to one more game before Turkey Day and then a "stellar" tournament on the 25th and 26th.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 19, 2005, 04:02:31 PM
I don't have much more to add to what Captj said below. I do believe that Blasingame was a bit overwhelmed with the quickness and speed of the college game. And this was SOVA...wait until Tuesday!! Also, a few more reps in the weight room and some more game time, and he'll be just fine.

Barton surprised me. I think we have a point guard from my old H.S. (the school does have a history of nice point guards - Iverson comes to mind). One message to the kid....STAY IN SCHOOL!!!! I'd love to see that guy as a senior. I know one game doesn't predict the future...but if he keeps it up and sticks around for 4 years....I'll be saying Blake who?

Matt Coleman was another nice surprise. He had a rough 1st half. I think he too was adjusting to the college speed. He adjusted well in the second half. Without him, there would have been no overtime.

Overall, the team has guts and heart and I think falling behind by 9 several times, and coming back each time will help this group of guys eventually become a team.

Prediction for Tuesday - CNU learns even more, discovers more aout themselves - as they lose to VWC by at least 20.

CaptJ  good to meet you last night - see ya on Tuesday  -what were those fried things anyway?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 04:40:54 PM
narch –

If I was a little bit defensive about your transfer inquiry it was because you elected to quote my comment on developing that team as part of it.  You usually quote people when you disagree with them.  Let's just drop it.

SoVA is hard to figure out.  They do some things very well.  Their passes are crisp and they handle the ball well.  Like I said in my recap of the game, they played very hard for the entire game.  Every second of it.  I get the impression that they are pretty well coached, but that they might be at the limitation of their talent.  They came in here with 5 games already under their belt and a week to study CNU films in preparation for us, and they still couldn't beat us (even with a team full of newcomers to the program and our two best players in street clothes).  I'd love to think that they are a really good team but I'm afraid that they're not.  They obviously need to rebound better (61-34 in our favor).  They aren't that small by D3 standards.  They have a guy (#53) listed at 6-8 and always had at least a couple of guys at 6-3 and 6-4 in their line up.  Their point guard is 6-2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 19, 2005, 04:42:41 PM
85 –

Chicken cordon bleu balls?

See you Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2005, 06:08:33 PM
j - i usually quote when i don't want to re-type what someone has already said...it's much easier to hit the quote button and you don't run the risk of mis-quoting someone, but, i digress

monarchs get win #1 (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/maritimestate.htm) today against suny maritime - looks like the defense was way ahead of the offense for mc - lee had a NICE game with 17 and grant & thomas had double digits with 11 and 10 respectively - no box score yet, but i'll post it when it's available online
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 19, 2005, 08:42:10 PM
I forgot to mention the play of Ed Riley...another nice surprise.

But let's face it..this was SOVA....... Remember Ferum football was 9-0 at one point and look what happened to them the past 2 weeks. I can't get excited about the win, but I can get excited about the potential I see. I think one thing CNU needs right now is a few years of being steady. The past few years there have been quite a few players leaving before their senior year.

CaptJ - 61-34 in rebounded....ummm.......they are Mormon......Mormon's can't jump!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 19, 2005, 08:43:21 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on November 19, 2005, 08:42:10 PM


CaptJ - 61-34 in rebounded...


whew...and I've only had 1 beer so far tonight
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 20, 2005, 01:47:05 PM
Good win for the Monarchs yesterday. Lets hope they continue and get another win today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 20, 2005, 04:58:56 PM
looks like the sewanee game was a barn burner...the monarchs dropped a 118-115 game in double ot
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on November 21, 2005, 03:44:17 AM
Monarchs look ok in the first couple of games.   The word is Mike Mac had a bunch of blocks, and from what I can tell Seth looked like a beast.  Haven't seen too many stats yet.   
In the Sewanee game MethCo shot 53.9% (41 of 76), but got out rebounded 54-41.  Hopefully we'll see a rebound in a few days with a pair of Emory & Henry Invitational wins.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 06:51:24 AM
What's this, a new Methodist poster?!  Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2005, 08:26:41 AM
isoar - welcome aboard...not sure about that name though...i don't recall EVER seeing you soar :)

losing to sewanee is not a great way to start things out...defensively, mc didn't come to play - i've gotta see the box scores to figure some things out, but sewanee was not a great team last year...that's not a good loss, in my books, especially when you've got the #3 ranked team in the nation and (potentially) the homestanding wasps who run "the system", something the monarchs have never played against, THEN a d1 tilt with app state looming on the horizon - this could be a 1-3 start if the monarchs don't figure some things out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 09:44:17 AM
narch –

I see your concern.  Sewanee was just 12-15 last year and lost a 1000 point scorer from that team.  But there are a bazillion reasons why a team might lose a game (especially away games), and tough losses are no guarantee of future failure.  They will shake it off.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 06:39:39 PM
narch -

What's your concern with ISoar's handle?  Should it be "rockhops"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 21, 2005, 06:41:33 PM
Or should it be "eyesore"?  Ugly dude?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: snowbird on November 22, 2005, 12:18:30 AM
I was at the Sewanee game...really excited about the victory. I stuck my head in the USAC to see if ther was any buzz. Methodist got a lot of layups off the Sewanee press(thus the high % shooting). I was really surprised by the rebound margin...it didn't seen that lopsided. Methodist seemed flat the 1st half, but shot trey real well in the 2nd half. Refs seemed to let Sewanee get away with alot of hand checking & hacking early on, but tightened up later. Overall the way the game was "called" seemed to help Sewanee.In conclusion Sewanee is due a good year...they have 5 guys back that started some games last year(3 jrs that started as freshman). They came on strong late last year & made a good showing in the tournament. Also they were missing the starting point guard against Methodist.   P.S. I'm new to D3Hoops..ain't it great?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on November 22, 2005, 02:07:32 AM

Nobody likes the handle?  Hmm.  I just thought it was clever, but uh, I think I led the team in dunks one year. 

Captj: Thanks for the welcome.  I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster.  Oh, and speaking of posters and my handle, I think your guy Roderic Carey is on one of my Posters.  ...rockhops....eyesore.... *mumble*    ;)

Narch: I agree, not a good loss, but what is?  A Methodist team that needs to figure itself out... who knew?


On the bright side a lot of guys getting min means a lot of options and possibilities.  Fred Mac looks pretty solid.  Drag shot well.  Mike Mac clogged up the middle.  Seth played well.

The dark side of things.  Marcus still can't hit his fts.  B Will had a bunch of to's.  Gene had an off shooting night.  We need to rebound better.  We need an inside threat on O (only so many people can stand around the arc). 

For the upcoming games, Our d has always been suspect against good half-court teams.  (See maryville.)   Hopefully this will be the year to change it.  Personally I'm looking forward to them.

Taking a few losses at the start of the season isn't as bad as taking them at the end.  We'll bounce back.   We just have to work that much harder now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 08:05:45 AM
isoar - it's definately clever...keep it - i was just giving you a hard time - GREAT points, all of them...couldn't have said it better - i like the assist/to ratio for hairston, too (13/3) - college of wooster is a HUGE test...let's see how the monarchs handle this - if i remember correct, su played cow to a 1 point game last year, so anything can happen - wins on friday and saturday would erase any uneasy feelings for me :)

sewanee box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1120.htm)

maritime box (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1119.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 09:23:46 AM
Hello Bryan Booth –

Once more we have a new poster who doesn't know that his profile contains pretty irrefutable proof of his identity.  It's nice to put things in perspective, and it will be nice having a former player here as well. 

However, nothing one says on this board escapes scrutiny, as you will soon find out.  So let's see... "Marcus still can't hit his fts".   Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  You hit less than 45% of your freethrows last year, dude!  But I do remember that you're a pretty good player, even if a little foul-prone.

"I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster."  OK, I see that (like narch) you have a very selective memory.  Let me remind you guys that in 02-03 Methodist and CNU were co-champions in the regular season and that CNU WON THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT AND WENT TO THE NCAA PLAYOFFS THAT YEAR!!!!!  No banner for Methodist that year.  So let's just lay off the "3-time champ" and the "back to back to back" drivel. 

Once again; welcome to the board.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:39:40 AM
Quote from: captj on November 22, 2005, 09:23:46 AM
"I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster."  OK, I see that (like narch) you have a very selective memory.  Let me remind you guys that in 02-03 Methodist and CNU were co-champions in the regular season and that CNU WON THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT AND WENT TO THE NCAA PLAYOFFS THAT YEAR!!!!!  No banner for Methodist that year.  So let's just lay off the "3-time champ" and the "back to back to back" drivel. 

captj - in that case, cnu hasn't won a single football championship, either, since all of the usasac championships have been co-championships, right?  co-champions are still champions, my friend, just ask the conference website (http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_basket_hist.shtml)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 09:41:16 AM
Take it to the football board, narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:58:42 AM
captj - i've got the 2004 cnu media guide in front of me...funny, on page 68 it lists cnu's co-championship seasons as championships...interesting to see that cnu considers those championships, as well :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:41:23 AM
What would you like them listed as narch?? Considering there is no tournament in football. Any ideas??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:40:33 AM
narch

Here is the most applicable part of the Merriam-Webster definition of champion – "a winner of first prize or first place in competition".  I don't see anything about ties or co-champions, so I guess we need to come up with something ourselves.  If it were clear we wouldn't be having this discussion.

My own opinion is that when two teams end up tied in their conference and one wins a tie-breaker against the other "co-champion", that team is the real champion.  You are THE champion if you go to the dance, it's as simple as that.  Since you brought up football, by MY criteria the Panthers were the real champions in USASAC football this year (not Methodist) and CNU (not Methodist) was the Dixie basketball champion in 02-03. 

Keep in mind that this is just one man's opinion and I didn't crown anyone, nor did I write any media guide or other marketing products.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 12:33:26 PM
OK, one hour and counting.  Anyone want to guess how long it will take narch to research the entire world wide web to find every single instance of CNU being in a scenario where we came up short in my "championship" criteria above?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on November 22, 2005, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: narch on November 22, 2005, 08:05:45 AM
- if i remember correct, su played cow to a 1 point game last year, so anything can happen -
Shenandoah actually lost to Wooster 69-63 last year @ Embry Riddle in Florida.  It was a closer game than what everybody thought it would be, but the game was actually never really in doubt.  Wooster is very aware of the fact that Shenandoah gave them all they could handle and they lost 2 out of 3 times to Methodist last year as well.  This should be an interesting matchup on Saturday.  Methodist seems have not gotten off to a great start, which could be a bad thing for Wooster because they could come out hungry with something to prove against the #3 team in the country. 

Wooster has run out of a half court set in the past and they still do somewhat, but they are definately more of a perimeter oriented team than in years past.   They have 5 legit threats from three point range and a couple of freshman that could be once they get their feet wet enough.  The Scots also won't be afraid to run with anyone and pressure shouldn't bother them as they start 3 guards and their forward, Tom Port, is arguably their most versatile player and he can handle the rock as well. 

It will all boil down to how well Methodist can defend the perimeter.  If they can keep Wooster's sharp-shooters at bay and force them to have an off night shooting, they might have a chance at an upset.  If Wooster can continue to find open looks from the outside, it could make for a long night for the Monarchs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 22, 2005, 01:32:28 PM
I agree with you ScotsFan I think it will be a pretty interesting game between Wooster and Methodist.  Thankfully, in the past the Monarchs have been a pretty solid defensive team on the perimeter. Thomas, Grant, & Lee are more than capable defenders. Also, Hairston and McDonald can be solid. I just hope the Monarch big men can make an impact. I saw that Radmanovic had a pretty good weekend. If they defend Woosters guard and someone plays big inside the Monarchs might pull of an upset.

There has been a lot of love for MC lately on the board. Narch doesn't have to stand alone anymore.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 04:15:10 PM
I'm sitting here crunching numbers, trying to figure out how CNU can beat VWC tonight. 

The box score from last year's game isn't much help since CNU has so many new players, but some things do stand out –
CNU 52% fg for the game (not bad), but VWC 62%!!!
Rebounds even (Korey Lewis with ZERO rebounds in 16 minutes).
Rod Carey and Donta Selden were our best performers (Go Donta!).
We only attempted 6 3-pointers the entire game.  I've seen CNU games when we've taken that many in two possessions.  VWC made 10 of 15 and no player missed more than one. 
Hopeful idea from this data - maybe we can spread the floor some this year and shoot some treys instead of trying to pack it inside for the high percentage shot since that didn't work.

Observing VWC's season statistics from last year –
For a really good team they didn't seem too dominating on the boards (35.3 to 33.5 advantage).  Adair was their top rebounder (7.8) with no on else collecting even 5 per game.  Their second rebounder graduated.  Maybe that's why it seems like we went inside last year.
Deep.  They had 10 players with at least 10 min/gm and only one is not back.  Uh oh. 
Shot blocking (70-107 disadvantage). 
Hopeful idea from this data – maybe we can play the defensive game of our lives, collect the missed shots, and keep it close.

Observing stats from win over NCW –
VWC shot 60% fg, including 13 of 20 from looong.  Wow!
Outrebounded the Bishops 36-24.  Not too many boards for NCW when the Marlins make so many shots.
Very deep.  Nine players played at least 19 minutes.  They're not going to wear out.
Hopeful idea from this data – we're not the Bishops.

Observing stats from loss to Trinity –
VWC shot 41% fg, including only 3 of 18 on 3-ptrs.  Balenga 2 for 12 overall and 1 for 6 from long.  Hmmm.
Not so deep.  In a close game they only played five guys more than 17 minutes.  Maybe they're deep when they have the luxury to be so.
One blocked shot.
4 steals.
Hopeful idea from this data – that our guys come out and fiercely contest everything that the Marlins do FROM THE OPENING TIP TO THE FINAL BUZZER, EVERY SINGLE SECOND. 

Go Captains!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:10:16 PM
As long as Marcus Fitch doesnt go from baseline to baseline for the winning lay up like he did here two years ago in overtime!! 

Captj, we need to meet tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 05:11:09 PM
Captj - what a waste of time....VWC is gonna crush CNU tonight.

Narch - I can actually see the validity in each perspective of champs vs co-champs.

Personally, I think the schools look at it this way (as do many fans).....If you are the team that makes it to post season, then you refer to yourself as THE champs. If you are they team that was co-champion, but had to sit home, then you publish/boast about being co-champ. I bet if CNU football had to sit home any of those years, the media guide would have said co-champs.

It's all a recruiting tool - in my limited opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 05:11:41 PM
Goose - just turnaround...Captj is in row 2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:28:02 PM
Figures you all sit together!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 05:30:13 PM
I'm in the last row!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:31:03 PM
Who's fault is that??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 05:34:26 PM
Goose -

We didn't even know each other until the last game. 

Buy a program and open it to the center spread... that's my smiling face there.  Introduce yourself when you recognize me.

I guess that all CNU fans will know who I am now.  That's OK, I'm proud to be CaptJ!!!!!

And 85; don't give up hope yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:49:10 PM
You used to email me all the time, didnt you??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 05:50:04 PM
Oh damn, the J gives it away, son of a......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 06:01:38 PM
anything can happen
go capts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 06:03:49 PM
goose gates open at 630 or 7 i need to go up and get tickets before the line gets to long.
damn i should have got my season tickets ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 06:09:34 PM
Goose -

I'm not sure what e-mails you're talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 06:10:40 PM
You can get tickets anytime eddie!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 06:10:52 PM
Ok JB.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 06:14:11 PM
Goose -

You can't prove those e-mails were from me.

Seriously, you got the right guy but I don't know what e-mails you're talking about unless you're someone that I'm not expecting.  Oh!!! Are you FT?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 06:15:31 PM
i dont have time goose
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 06:27:10 PM
Already used my freebies so I cant leave you any at the door. And no, Im not FT, ask CNU85, he knows who i am.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on November 22, 2005, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: captj on November 22, 2005, 09:23:46 AM
Hello Bryan Booth –

Once more we have a new poster who doesn't know that his profile contains pretty irrefutable proof of his identity.  It's nice to put things in perspective, and it will be nice having a former player here as well. 

However, nothing one says on this board escapes scrutiny, as you will soon find out.  So let's see... "Marcus still can't hit his fts".   Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  You hit less than 45% of your freethrows last year, dude!  But I do remember that you're a pretty good player, even if a little foul-prone.

"I think its about time the back to back to back, champs had more than one poster."  OK, I see that (like narch) you have a very selective memory.  Let me remind you guys that in 02-03 Methodist and CNU were co-champions in the regular season and that CNU WON THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMENT AND WENT TO THE NCAA PLAYOFFS THAT YEAR!!!!!  No banner for Methodist that year.  So let's just lay off the "3-time champ" and the "back to back to back" drivel. 



I wasn't trying to hide my ID.  If I was, I would have used a different Email. 

Marcus goes to the line a lot.  If he can get his ft% up it'd be a real boost for the team.  Regardless of how well I shoot.   (Mr. Pot, please meet Mr. Kettle.)

Okay, the back to back to back thing was more or less a joke.  (A play on the Tom Emanski baseball videos...endorsed by Fred Mcgriff no less.)  Yes, when you break down the semantics its not the same, but co-reg-season champs just doesn't sound as good.


As far as Wooster goes, Everything I've seen tells me they're solid.  Hopefully Methodist will jump on them early.  I don't think they're the type of team you can play catch-up against. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:34:22 PM
Everything going VWC's way tonight. Getting all the breaks and taking advantage of them. 61-31 with 1339 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:38:57 PM
63-34 VWC with 11 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:42:34 PM
66-36 with 939 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 08:46:27 PM
68-44 with 657 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 09:00:50 PM
Final 80-61 VWC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 22, 2005, 09:15:57 PM
it seems like the coach doesnt know who to play.  we got back in the gameby pounding the ball down low.  but the slow start killed us.  vwc kept the best players on the floor to.  we did out score them in the secound half
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on November 22, 2005, 09:31:08 PM
Well i thought i would post after Va Southern, O.K I will be fair as I can, the posts after the first game were so far fetched I had a hard time reading them. I was there and after I saw the posts, not really sure what game they attended. I am a CNU fan trust me, but the things everyone said were totally fan based(liked if you really thought Virginia would beat Tech). CNU is the school that cannot keep players(more than 2or3) for the 4 year span. I will elaborate but I have kids that are crying, CNU, no disrespect,  never will you achievethe Golden Years, the academics are too hard, deep down everyone knows it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on November 22, 2005, 10:41:23 AM
What would you like them listed as narch?? Considering there is no tournament in football. Any ideas??

how about i answer by quoting myself

Quote from: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:39:40 AMco-champions are still champions
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 09:53:03 PM
Quote from: captj on November 22, 2005, 12:33:26 PM
OK, one hour and counting.  Anyone want to guess how long it will take narch to research the entire world wide web to find every single instance of CNU being in a scenario where we came up short in my "championship" criteria above?
no need...we simply disagree - you admit that there is some gray here, so maybe it's not so much drivel as it is opinion (i call it fact since the conference lists mc as regular season champs 3 straight years, albeit co-champs in one of those years) - don't make the mistake of confusing TOURNAMENT champions and REGULAR SEASON champions - i don't know of a conference in the country that considers the tourny champ to be the conference champ...that right belongs to the team(s) that earned it over the course of of the regular season...officially there is no tiebreaker in the usasac, so you can't just make one up, j

but let me ask a question:

if there is a $300 million lottery pot, and you have one of 2 winning tickets...did you win the lottery?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:14:18 PM
You sat POE TAY TOE i say POE TAH TOE.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:14:37 PM
daniel-
    Elaborate when the kids go to sleep please.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:19:55 PM
First half killed the Captains. VWC went up 21-0 before CNU gotta bucket with 1324 remaining. Turnovers killed them, thats for sure. Second half was a different story, still were careless with the ball but shot much better. I thought the line up of Dont'a, Davon, Coleman, Riley and Blasingame worked well as did Dont'a, Purdham, Davon, Riley and Coleman/Blasingame. I thought Blasingame played much better than he did against So. Virginia, I thought Dont'a stepped it up. Korey and Romeo were a non-factor. Can someone tell Korey to try a pump fake once in a while and stop fading away?? The kid's 6-5 or 6-6 and plays like he's 6-1 or 6-2!! Show some intestinal fortitude!! And Mike Witham, well, thats just another story in its self there. Edward Riley has the makings of something special and I hope he continues to play the way he has played in first two games for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 10:25:22 PM
bsquared (isoar) - what are you doing now - did i hear grad school? if so where and what degree?

re: your ft shooting...it wasn't pretty :), BUT hairston is a pg, you were a pf/c - the pg HAS to shoot a higher % if he's going to get the rock late in close games, otherwise he'll just be marching to the line in any late game situation

daniel - i'm interested in hearing this, as well - the way i see it, there are plenty of schools w/ difficult academics (cow, lvc, f&m, hsc, rmc, etc., etc. and the obvious choices like williams come to mind) that don't seem to have those problems - what exactly do you mean by "the academics are too hard"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:30:03 PM
I think I know where your going with that narch and I couldnt agree more with you (wow, did I really say that?). I dont think there is such a thing as too hard a school. You just have to know where and how to recruit that type of kid. Smart, athletic cornfed white boys and quick smart players seem to be the way the HSC's and RMCs are going and have been going for quite sometime and they continue to have success day in and day out. Why cant CNU get that type of athlete. More of the private school players than public might be another direction to go in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2005, 10:47:19 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on November 22, 2005, 10:30:03 PM
I think I know where your going with that narch and I couldnt agree more with you (wow, did I really say that?). I dont think there is such a thing as too hard a school. You just have to know where and how to recruit that type of kid. Smart, athletic cornfed white boys and quick smart players seem to be the way the HSC's and RMCs are going and have been going for quite sometime and they continue to have success day in and day out. Why cant CNU get that type of athlete. More of the private school players than public might be another direction to go in.
skin color plays NO PART in my equation, but smarts do...last year 9 or 10 of mc's players were academic scholarship recipients...eugene grant is probably one of the brightest kids at mc - you don't have to be a "cornfed white boy" to stay in school for 4 years...so kindly, NO, you apparently DON'T know where i was going with that
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:54:24 PM
I was going to respond and I had something here but decided against it . Dont feel like getting into a pissing contest with you over something you didnt understand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 22, 2005, 10:55:18 PM
Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving Holiday.  Be back for the cake fest that is the CNU Invitational Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 11:00:35 PM
too hard of a school? where'd that come from? I don't think it's the academics that are making the kids leave before the 4 years is up. just ask:

Jordan Short - still a CNU student - not playing
Tim Collins - going to Radford (nice to see Tim at tonight's game!) Don't read any transfers into that - he's just in town watching a buddy play hoops.
Mark Hoeppner - West Virginia U

all for different reasons and none that I know of, are using the excuse CNU is too hard. I honestly think the reason some of these kids leave is that they and their families have issues with the coaching philosophy of the program. Plus, the dropping and restructuring of the academic programs made such that the kids realized they had to transfer to continue the academic path they initial chose. Face it, these kids aren't dumb and they realize the NBA is a far reach.


Now - on to tonight's game - down 21-0 to start. That was tough. CNU gets as close as 12 with a 30-12 run in the second half. At first I was wondering why VWC had their starters in when they were up by 30. I figured it was a message or return favor to CJ for something in the past. But maybe it was watching the film of the SoVa game when CNU came back a few times when down by 9 to win in OT.

Good - the kids don't give up. Coleman is going to be good. When he came in he shut down #50 for VWC. Riley is going to something to watch. Blasingame played much better, didn't seem lost. He just needs some more playing time. Barton shows flashes of a solid game, then has to let me know he's a freshman and makes a dumb play.

Not so good - the 21-0 start. Romeo and Lewis were playing like it was their first game of the year ( oh yeah - it was). Hint to the big men inside......do not dribble the ball once, not move, and expect to retain the ball!! I coached that to my 10 yr old team a few years back.

I made a comment to Tim Collin's dad that this is the first year in which I have season tickets that I have no expectatins from the team this year. This is truly a year of making adjustments and improvements to make noise in future years. I could be wrong. After all, I predicted CNU would lose by more than 20 tonight - and they only lost by 19!!

CJ said he hoped that VWC will be the toughest team all year. I hope so too.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 11:03:49 PM
Goose - I have to agree with Narch...I cringed when you said corn fed white boys....I cringed just as bad after 9/11 when Bush opened his mouth on the white house lawn and said we are on a "crusade" when talking about Islamic fundamentalists.....talk about the wrong word to use.

Oh - I think the guys I used in my example below...Short, Collins, Hoeppner - all ate corn!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 22, 2005, 11:07:28 PM
For those travelling tomorrow for the holidays...be safe and have a great weekend. I'm done for the night......there's someone upstairs who is much nicer looking than you ugly people.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 22, 2005, 11:27:55 PM
Just got home from the Greensboro/Guilford doubleheader at the Greensboro Coliseum.  The Pride women came back from an 11-point halftime deficit to win 68-52 and the Quaker men put a thumping on Greensboro.  The men's final was 82-67, but Guilford was up 43-27 at the half and 60-35 before rotating almost everyone in and out of the game.  Ben Strong looked good as did Quaker freshman George Neville.  Not sure of the final stats, but it looked like the Quakers had a good shooting night behind the arc.

Both men's teams are now 2-1.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:30:15 PM
What a game tonight!  Spotting a top-20 team a 21 point lead to start the game is a recipe for disaster.

Random thoughts –

Six minutes into the game the scoreboard read 21-0.  VWC had the ball and I'm thinking to myself, "Oh, no.  They're going to score another touchdown and we'll be down by 28.

According to the radio broadcast we actually had MORE rebounds?!  It seemed like every time VWC missed a shot they got the board and a second chance.

Romeo and Lewis combine for 5?  These are the guys I picked for All-Conference honors?  I agree with Goose; Lewis needs to realize that he's a really big dude, and then play like one.

I wish that I could easily compile data about how CNU starts games.  It seems to me that we typically start very, very slowly and then have to fight to come from behind.  Aren't we prepared at the beginning?  Having the ability to adapt is admirable, but so is being prepared from the beginning.

Once again, we demonstrated huge heart coming back in the second half, but read my comment directly above once again.  We were out of this game before we had a chance.

Selden is a great 2 guard, a mediocre or poor 1 guard.

Even though VWC played their starters for the entire game, including during the 30-12 run we put on them, I'm concerned that they had lost interest a little bit by that time and that our comeback wasn't so impressive after all.

I was really disappointed by Adair.  I was hoping to see All-American-level play tonight, but he seemed like just one of a whole bunch of really good players.  

CNU NEVER went to the free throw line!!!!  Read that again; CNU NEVER went to the free throw line!!!

Way too many turnovers.  Barton is going to be very, very good, but he was really tested tonight.  I still like his game a lot.  EVERYONE passed the rock like they couldn't wait to get rid of it.  

And finally; it was nice to meet you, Goose.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:31:41 PM
Danny – patience, please.  Don't let one loss against a good team cause you to lose faith in the entire program.  Yes, we are having growing pains, or evolution pains, or whatever else you want to call it, but do you think that 18-8 is that bad?  Are you only going to be a fan if the Captains win the conference and make it to the Elite Eight every year?  I'll be a fan if we finish 8-18.  But you know what?  We're not going to go 8-18.  We're going to compete every year and we will definitely represent the conference in the NCAA's (and often).

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 22, 2005, 11:33:19 PM
narch, narch, narch –

What a question!  "if there is a $300 million lottery pot, and you have one of 2 winning tickets...did you win the lottery?"  Did you really ask that?  If I had one of those tickets I would be one rich mf, but I wouldn't go around calling myself "Lottery Champion".

The championship claim were talking about here is for the 02-03 season, when CNU was co-champion for the regular season AND tournament champion, AND went to the dance.  For the Monarchs to claim that one is a HUGE stretch in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 23, 2005, 08:20:57 AM
j - last time i'll say this...feel free to make up your own criteria for conference championships, but you can't make your own rules and call the established rules drivel - i will continue to talk about the monarchs as 3 time defending champions because, quite honestly, that's what they are

Quote from: Goose13 on November 22, 2005, 10:54:24 PM
I was going to respond and I had something here but decided against it . Dont feel like getting into a pissing contest with you over something you didnt understand.
goose - i apologize if i mis-understood your comments...not sure how else i could have read them, though - if you take the "cornfed white boys" statement out of your comment, i agree wholeheartedly...to be successful you need to have big, smart, athletic kids who stay in school for 4 years (regardless of skin color) - with those 3 words intact, what you are saying SEEMS a bit racist - i don't THINK that you intended it that way, and i'm not calling YOU racist...i simply wanted to make sure that everyone understood that, while you apparently thought you knew where i was going (and somehow race was intertwined ???), that you and i do not share the same views regarding racial make-up of successful basketball teams...my comment addressed the ability to have success on the court AND have smart kids who can handle academically rigorous environments, and nothing more - if those teams happen to be comprised of predominantly "cornfed white boys", it was not my intention to bring race into the equation whatsoever - give me a team FULL of seth thomas' and eugene grant's and i'll win a LOT of games
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 23, 2005, 08:55:12 AM
OK, narch.  Methodist was the Dixie conference champion in basketball in 02-03.  Feel better?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 23, 2005, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on November 22, 2005, 10:30:03 PM. I dont think there is such a thing as too hard a school. You just have to know where and how to recruit that type of kid. Smart, athletic cornfed white boys and quick smart players seem to be the way the HSC's and RMCs  get that type of athlete.

Goose,

Please, could you further explain this quote I don't think I see where you are going with this. Why even bring up race?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 23, 2005, 02:36:42 PM
I come to the USA South site off and on to read about this conference's basketball teams.  Sometimes, I am lucky enough to see that actually being discussed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 23, 2005, 02:58:18 PM
hasanova - i hear ya...we're just much more well-rounded than simply talking hoops :)

in the past i have been very critical of ncwc and their scheduling...it's been pretty poor...but i've got to give props to coach thompson for coming out of the gate with trinity and vwc, two very good regional programs and continuing with games against goucher (18 game winners last year), roanoke and mary wash (not to mention vwc again) - i think this will pay dividends for his young team come conference time...they could be scary or they could get beat so much that they lose some confidence - this is the type of schedule ncwc SHOULD have played when they had a veteran team (when sudler and blue were sr's)...that team was loaded with talent, but wasn't prepared to play at a high level, in my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on November 23, 2005, 05:36:11 PM
apparnetly on this board the averett vs. Lynchburg classic game didnt happen! but congratulations to averett on the win yesterday! they started off bad defensively and Lynchburg was running them off hteir own court then Jimmy Allen called a TO and must ahve said something that really hit a nerve with the players and their defensive intensity picked up immediately. That TO was the key to Averett making the come back. If it had not been for that TO the defense may have still struggled and allowed Lynchburg to further increase the lead. The second half was adefensive struggle with Lynchburg only allowing Averett to score 24 points in the half, which allowed Lynchburg to make their own comeback. Within  1:30 of the clock, COrey McDaniel hit a huge 3 pointer for Averett, then Pete Manos answered with a huge 3 of his own 14 seconds later to tie up the game.  Pat Prior made a layup with 26.5 seconds left on the clock, giving the ball to Averett to hold for the last shot. With 17 seconds left Cory McDaniel got an offensive rebound off a missed Sterling Williams jumper. With about 7 seconds or so left in the game we pressured the ball near the top of the key and got a deflection. Cory McDaniel happened to be lucky enough to be in the spot where the deflection went and he grabbed it and hoisted up a deep deep 3 pointer and amde it with no time left on the clock. Cory McDaniel came up huge for Averett, if it hadn't have been for that clutch shooting of his within the last 2 minutes Lynchburg would have erned their first win.  Hard fought game by both teams.  Both teams put forth the kind of effort that would win a lot of games, unfortunately though someone had to lose the game. Congrats to the cougars!

by the way, andrew borr went down with injury on the last play before the half and didn't return in the second half. he was sitting on the bench the half with ice on his ankle. i have no idea what happened, but the injury must have been kind of serious to keep him out for the whole second half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 25, 2005, 06:05:43 PM
goose who is winning the first game and do u know anything about st. josephs of vermont
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 07:48:15 PM
Sorry I missed your post Eddie. But Capts up big now, 35-13 on St. Joe's of Vt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 07:55:26 PM
CNU now up 44-21 with 555 remaining in the first half. Sean Branch and Billy McShepard are getting their first action in a CNU uniform now. Ill give another update at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 08:09:14 PM
At the half, CNU leads 54-31. Everyone, and I mean everyone got in the game in the first half for CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 09:00:30 PM
Final 103-63 CNU will play So. Virginia in a rematch from last Friday at 730 pm on Saturday. Everyone played and all but one scored.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on November 25, 2005, 09:13:23 PM
goose i was at the game.  i wanted to know who won the first game.  even though it was against a wesk team mcsheperd looked nice on the floor.  he could cause some match up problems for other teams.  i want to see him in a game that is good to see if he can play as good.  he got  the crowd up a couple of times
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 25, 2005, 10:11:58 PM
Hey Goose...I think had the game gone a couple minutes longer....you and FT would've gotten some time.
:D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 25, 2005, 11:04:11 PM
Your not lyin there that was a murdering.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 26, 2005, 12:19:23 AM
If FT ever brought the ball up court, he'd have to stop at the becnh on the way to half court to get oxygen!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 26, 2005, 12:00:34 PM
some observations from the game last night. First of all it was against a very weak team...very very weak...2-21 last year.

These observations are made based on what I have seen so far, and I fully understand that things will change when the conference games begin.

I see a team that doesn't quit, has a lot of heart, and seems to have the basis for a nice unit when the chemistry starts to click. I also do not see that much of a drop off in most cases when the bench gets into the game. That could signify one of two things (possibly more - I can only think of 2) - 1. depth or 2. a consistently weak team. I'm holding out for option #1.

The players:
Romeo - he can play. not much more to say.
Lewis - can play, but also I think he could play better. I hope he realizes soon that he is a senior and a team leader.
Selden - seems more comfortable this year and more aware of the entire court. I think he is a great complement to Barton.
Davon Barton - If he continues his level of play into the conference games he will hands down win Rookie of the Year.
Blasingame - has taken giant leaps since opening night. He is very aggressive. I have also noticed during warmups that he has a sweet outside shot...I hope he pops a few.
Riley - I think he could start a few games by year end. Comes off the bench well. He is also very aggressive.
Witham - good bench player. doesn't make mistakes, plays hard.
Dickerson - nice shot...seems like a quiet kid. I'll keep watching his play. He's only a So.
McShepherd...last night was his first game...12 points. goes to the hoop VERY strong.....and did you see the first time he touched the ball? Rebound in the key, dribbled downcourt, through traffic and layed it up...all 6-9 185lbs. Put 40 pounds on this kid and watch out. I was remined on that play (just reminded - not saying he is) of Ralph Sampson....big guy who could handle the ball.
Jared Boone - only guy not to score....but he played well off the ball. Very quick. Somewhat eager last night. He had a foul in which if it had occurred anywhere else besides a basketball court, he would be in jail for assualt. He flew into a rebound situation like Hong Kong Phooey!! Legs and arms flailing all over the place.
Kraut - seems to see the court well. Moves good without the ball.
Coleman - another nice player to come off the bench. He also moves to the hoop very well.
Sean Branch - I think he saw action for the first time last night at PG. He was ok....he needs more time. Was aware fo the court, but the speed of the college game was more than he is used to.
Purdham - he has picked up his offensive game. He was always a good D player...now he has been given the opporunity to play O.....he plays very well when Romeo is on the court.

We'll see how these observations hold up come crunch conferenc time.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 26, 2005, 12:41:14 PM
What is the story on the neutral site tournament that CNU and Greensboro will be playing in Myrtle Beach on 12/20-21?  The other two teams are Lincoln and Keystone (two good teams from PA).  It appears that there is no home team.  Are the folks in Myrtle Beach so hoops-starved that they bring in outside teams for their own tournament?  There are lots of neutral sites much more convenient to all of these teams (like the DC area).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 26, 2005, 12:42:38 PM
Prediction for tonight -

CNU 82
SoVA 68
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 03:03:50 PM
captj-
   CNU is the unofficial host of the tournament. From what Ive heard, The Capts are the quote un quote hosts and have to provide many of the necessities much like a home game. Should at least be fun, getting out Newport News for once and thank god its in Myrtle Beach, cant get in to too much trouble there!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 08:10:04 PM
Captains lead at the break 41-38. Lots of sloppy play early but Barton is having another stellar  game in double figures already and dishing out some nice dimes!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 09:21:47 PM
Final CNU 77-68. Romeo with 21, Barton had 16, 10 assists, six boards and five steals. Selden added 13 points, six rebounds and five steals. Edward Riley added 11 points.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 26, 2005, 09:30:57 PM
As I left the game I noticed the ambulance taking Barton to the hospital. Let's pray he's ok!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 26, 2005, 10:50:45 PM
monarchs lose by 14, 77-63 to #3 wooster...no details

hope barton is alright
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 26, 2005, 10:54:18 PM
So do we. Not exactly sure what happend, but I know he and another So. VA player collided and he went down like quicker than you can shake a stick at. Not sure if got hit in the "mommy/daddy button." Poor attempt at humor from an Austin Powers movie.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 12:59:17 AM
Goose -

Since you're so close to the team we're going to depend on you letting us know about Barton when you have info.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 27, 2005, 01:19:46 AM
Quote from: captj on November 26, 2005, 12:41:14 PM
What is the story on the neutral site tournament that CNU and Greensboro will be playing in Myrtle Beach on 12/20-21?  The other two teams are Lincoln and Keystone (two good teams from PA).  It appears that there is no home team.  Are the folks in Myrtle Beach so hoops-starved that they bring in outside teams for their own tournament?  There are lots of neutral sites much more convenient to all of these teams (like the DC area).
Evidently, they have this tournament every year.  I know Guilford played there a few years ago.  The Quakers played North Central and Goucher - not sure who the fourth team was. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:01:28 AM
Are there no hoops in Myrtle Beach?  I'm not familiar with the area, but it seems like they should have colleges near by.  If CNU is the "home" team, does that mean that we have to bring hardwood and backboards with us?  Regardless, it's nice of the folks down south to have us, and our guys can sure use the road time, even if it won't be to a hostile environment.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:07:11 AM
Goose -

The DP article suggests that you might be right about the mommy/daddy button.  I don't know if that's better or worse than what we were all fearing as he lie on the floor clutching his knee.  I can't imagine the horror of a knee to the nads so bad that it required a trip to the hospital.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:09:37 AM
narch -

How did your guys play?  Do you have a report for us?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 10:27:59 AM
My prediction for the CNU-SoVA game was close.  I called the SoVA score (68) and would have gotten CNU's right also if we could make free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 27, 2005, 11:03:44 AM
I think  it was a lil worse than it appeared captj.

And no they dont have to bring the hardwood and backboards!! I do know its in a high school gym tho.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2005, 11:10:21 AM
myrtle beach has div 1 coastal carolina nearby, and that's about it for college hoops in the area

looks like the monarchs got a nice game from craig moore with 16 and 9, but not much else to write home about - here is the game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/wooster.htm) and box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1126.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 27, 2005, 11:27:12 AM
Goose -

E-mail more news to me.  Or get my telephone number out of the program and call me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2005, 08:41:32 PM
monarchs get a nice regional win vs. thomas more, 82-72 - b. williams puts up 21 on 8-9 shooting - 2nd straight night one of the 4's has led the monarch charge offensively

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/thomasmore.htm)

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm1127.htm)

i like the shooting %'s, both offensively and on defense - too many to's and ft shooting needs to improve...gotta fix that before sunday's rematch w/ m'ville

mcbryde had a nice game, and he, williams & moore combined for 38 pts & 14 rebs...need that type of production from those 3 more often
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 08:38:25 AM
Pending news about Davon Barton, I'm going to go ahead and give my random thoughts on SoVA II –

Can we buy a free throw please?

Good intensity on the defensive end for most of the game. 

I have never seen a team miss so many one foot shots and lay ups.  And I'm not talking about just this one game.  Adam Purdham has been a solid, workman-like player for a long time, but what was that little flick-of-the-wrist flourish to put spin on a wide-open lay up in crunch time?  The spin caused it to bounce off the glass long.  Note to all Captains; fancy hot-dogging doesn't impress us, clutch buckets do.

Give Romeo a split second and he'll hit nothing but net.

The zebras were abysmal, as usual.  When the ball hits the chest of the player in green and goes out of bounds, possession goes to the team in white.  The contact that they allowed was incredible, and Barton is now paying for it.  Blasingame took a shot to the eye that caused the game to be stopped so that he could have the trainers stop the blood flow, but no call!  But, until the officials learn to call a game correctly, we need to learn to play with the same level of aggression that the opposing team uses. 

Blasingame played very well and seems to have the best free throw touch on the team, but he was on the bench at the end when SoVA turned it into a rugby scrum to get back in it.  Test him now, CJ.

Waaaaaay too many turnovers.  A lot of them were by Barton (bad passes, ill-advised passes).  I can live with those because he's very young and will improve with time, and the rest of his game is most often spectacular.

I still love the heart of this team.  They play with a lot of emotion and give it everything they've got.  I saw a lot more consistent an effort than the first time we played these guys.  I can't wait until we've got the rotations figured out because it seems like we are going to be a deep team at most positions.

And finally; we're praying for you Davon. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 08:57:28 AM
What's up with my karma now?  First Goose, then me.  I've had three hits in the last couple of days.  Wadidido?  Wadidido?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 10:15:17 AM
Good news about Davon Barton –

An inside source just gave me an update on Davon.  From a very selfish, fans perspective, the news is good.  The injury was not to the knee and will not keep him out of the lineup for long.  It was a painful injury to be sure, and I am having sympathy pains myself just thinking about it, but the bottom line is that he will be fine and is no longer in pain.  In fact, I was told that when he was in the ambulance and heard his name announced as an all-tournament selection he asked the EMT if he could go back in to get his trophy.  Big-time courage and intestinal fortitude.  The rest of you USASAC fans are in for a treat because you are going to love this guy's game. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on November 28, 2005, 11:43:27 AM
Narch,

I agree with you if Moore, Williams, and McBryde give MC that kind of effort every night they'll tough to stop come conference play. Tough schedule for the monarchs coming up D1 App State, Maryville , Mobile and VW coming up in the near future. Hopefully it will make them stronger for the conference run.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:40:57 PM
Way too much time on my hands.  Actually, this took about five minutes with a spreadsheet.  By calculating the points per minute played (and) the rebounds per minute played, and then multiplying those values by 32 minutes, you have an approximation of what the different players would be doing given equal playing time.  32 minutes is a little bit more than the highest actual value among all of our players, so I used that.  Points and rebounds per 40 minutes would also work.

Name      pts/32min      reb/32min

Romeo                      17.5                2.9
Barton                       16.0                4.9
Riley                          15.1                8.2
Selden                       14.1                 5.6
Coleman                    13.7                10.2

Dickerson                    10.4                 4.3
Lewis                          9.4                  3.9
Blasingame                  8.2                  8.6
Witham                       7.3                  7.3
Purdham                     6.4                  4.0

There are some interesting observations –

Coleman is playing very, very well.

Romeo needs to go to the boards more.

Blasingame is going to be a solid player.  I can't wait to see this guy in a couple of years.  Freshmen are seldom impact players in the post and he could be this year.  He reminds me so much of another freshman named Mark that would still be on our team this year if we hadn't lost our Leisure Studies program.  I think he even wears the same number.

Purdham's numbers are surprising.  He has hit some very clutch shots for us and plays D very well.  I wish everyone on the team hustled every second of the game like he does.

Selden's numbers are also surprising.  I thought they would be higher.  He too has hit some very clutch shots for us and goes to the boards like he was 6 inches taller.  I believe that he thinks he's 6-6.

I'm disappointed in Lewis, but I'm sure that his game will pick up soon.  He's too good for it not to.

If you look at the 2nd five statistically, three of them have started multiple games.  I'd like to see these two fives practice against each other, although that 2nd five would definitely need help at the point.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 28, 2005, 04:51:33 PM
housing market must be slow
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:53:59 PM
You got that right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:55:26 PM
"mcbryde had a nice game, and he, williams & moore combined for 38 pts & 14 rebs...need that type of production from those 3 more often"

I'm not seeing your point narch.  I looked at your box score and these guys combined played 54 minutes.  Those combined stats (38/14) WOULD be great over 40 minutes if they played the same position and subbed for each other, but I'm not sure how valuable it is to just add three players stats together.  Tell us WHY these combined stats mean something.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 28, 2005, 05:28:33 PM
Congrats to Romeo and Barton.....Romeo was named player of the week....not sure why, his stats were ok...12 ppg and 4 reb pg. Barton wins rookie of the week for the second straight week.

A week until the next hoops game....good thing I have 3 players on my fantasy team in tonight's MNF game. It'll keep me busy tonight until I fall asleep. This old guy almost never makes it past halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 28, 2005, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:55:26 PM
Tell us WHY these combined stats mean something.
because they are 3 guys (along with mcevoy) who will play the 4 and 5 positions for the monarchs...the biggest positional question marks coming into the season -  they are also 3 guys who played sparingly (williams and moore) or not at all (mcbryde...he's a frosh) last season - when they start consistently producing, become threats offensively and can control the boards, it will allow thomas, grant and lee to play more effectively on the outside - and when radmanovic steps up and plays to his capability, it will make 5 positions that teams will have to defend...difficult to do - if they DON'T step up, it will make life difficult on the perimeter players - geez, captj, this seems like hoops 101 to me...i thought you were in hoops grad school :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 09:04:48 AM
narch –

No way, man.  I'm still taking 300-level classes.  I guess that if your 101-level ideas escape me it's because I've learned (or failed to) at a lousy public school. :)

Here's my point.  You selected three of several players that play the two post positions and combined their stats from one game in an attempt to ascertain the strength of those positions.  But why those three and not all?  Why leave out McEvoy and Dragen?  Unless Dragen's definitively a three, which he might be, but I always saw Thomas as your three. 

Here's what I see from the stats of that one game –

Williams, Radmanovich, McBryde, Moore, and McEvoy as a group played 77 minutes, just about right for the two positions.  So let's look at THEIR combined stats, not just three of them.  41 points, 19 rebounds, or 50% and 40% of the team's totals respectively.  From a scoring perspective you've got to be thrilled that your "concern" positions are scoring so much.  Rebounding is a very different story.  The two post players should (in my opinion) clear at least 60% of the boards.

But this is just one game, and unfortunately, we can't do the same thing for the season since these five guys have only combined for 26% of the team's total minutes, not 40%.  What THAT means to me is that the Monarchs have gone light (or speed) for most of the games and that the two positions might still be a concern.  Maybe Coach Smith should go ahead and pull the trigger on playing the bigger guys more since it seemed to work against Thomas More.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 29, 2005, 09:11:45 AM
Ya captj you must be bored and a sure sign there is no men's bball game till Sat!! Guess you wont be making it to tonight's women's game!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 09:12:41 AM
When one of the women throw one down I'll start going to those games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 09:14:46 AM
And beeside, narch chalungd my hoops nawlidg.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 29, 2005, 10:26:42 AM
captj - i guess i "singled" those three out because i wanted to point out a positive development in their play over the weekend and hoped for continued development and production from them (which is basically what i said in the original post) - i think they hold a real key to the monarchs success, and if mc can get 38 pts and 14 rebs (or more) from them, i think they'll win a lot of games - and you are correct, radmanovich is a 4...his game is more that of a 3, so i tend to forget he's a pf
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 10:57:12 AM
Prediction on the AppSt game narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 29, 2005, 11:23:08 AM
Curry should be a good test for the Captains this Saturday.  They had a decent (15-11) year last year but have only played two games (1-1) this year.  They play two tough ones this week before coming here.  Springfield and Trinity (Conn.) should have them softened a little bit for us, and the trip from Mass. will be tough on them too.  But if they can at least split those two games they should ride in here feeling pretty full of themselves.  Overall, they seem like a great team to be playing at this point in our young team's development, but I frankly wish that the game was in their gym.  Sure, I'd miss seeing a game, but we could use the road-toughening.  We should have more time to prepare for them than they will for us, so I'll predict a win based on that and the fact that we'll be in the Friendly Freeman.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on November 29, 2005, 01:24:32 PM
Davon Barton is back and will practice today!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 29, 2005, 01:51:41 PM
Well duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 12:15:28 AM
Curry lost to Springfield tonight and their next opponent (Trinity, CT) just beat a very good Western Conn. team tonight, so it's looking like they will be coming into Newport News either very fired up to get back on the winning track (or) very down on themselves.  I hope they come in and give us everything they've got.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 30, 2005, 08:07:42 AM
Quote from: captj on November 29, 2005, 10:57:12 AM
Prediction on the AppSt game narch?
asu 78 - mc 57
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 10:57:56 AM
I think your guys will do better than that. Less than 15 point delta.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 30, 2005, 01:15:31 PM
i'd like a less than 15 point loss...really, i'd like a win, but i'm a realist - asu has a phenom at pg...he's 5'8" but averaging 25.3 ppg/4.3 rpg on the season and shooting over 46% from 3...he'll be a tough match-up for any of our guards, but i'd bet lee gets him for a good portion of the game - if there was going to be an upset, it would be for this reason...app is young - they have 4 frosh in the regular rotation- those 4 are pretty good, though, from what i can tell - they are a small d1, but they'd be a pretty big d3 - center is 6'9"/225 and his back up is 6'8"/250, pf is 6'7"/230, sf is 6'5"/215...we'll see - if nothing else, it will be a great way to prepare mc for m'ville on sunday (a game which, sadly, i have to miss  :()
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 06:27:21 PM
I think they'll do well, narch.  I checked out AppSt on their website and it seems like they're not just young, but that they are a perimeter-strong team like yours is.  You never know, especially when teams match up well strength-to-strength.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on November 30, 2005, 08:26:53 PM
I just checked tonight's slate of games and see that SoVA plays Averett.  I guess they just can't get enough of USASAC teams.  They'll do no better tonight, even if Averett doesn't have Boor back yet.  I sure hope he makes it back by conference time.  I always liked his game because of his intensity.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on November 30, 2005, 11:09:54 PM
Whats wrong with Boor??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 08:52:26 AM
Someone had posted earlier that he went down with an ankle injury.  I checked the box scores from their last couple of games and he didn't play.

Helloooooo.......... any Averett poster sout there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 01, 2005, 09:15:11 AM
Ya right, good luck with that!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 01, 2005, 09:16:33 AM
Speaking of Averett, the Cougars shoot 59% for the game and beat So. Va 104-66.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2005, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 01, 2005, 09:16:33 AM
Speaking of Averett, the Cougars shoot 59% for the game and beat So. Va 104-66.
I've seen two boxscores from Averett games this season - versus Lynchburg and Southern Virginia - but I haven't seen the Cougars play this year.   Averett beat LC at the buzzer, but so far the Hornets appear to be a second tier ODAC team.  Any predictions for the style of play and outcome when Averett visits Guilford on January 4th?  So far, the Quakers are 3-1 (lost to NAIA DII #6 Embry-Riddle on the road) and just came off a wild 147-136 road win over Emory & Henry last night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 11:17:56 AM
Wow, Averett destroyed SoVA.  Not only were they 59% fg for the game, they were 59% on threes also (16 for 27).   AND held SoVA to 34% fg for the game.  Captains should NOT be feeling too proud of their two closely contested, home wins against SoVA.  I am so glad that we play our conference games after the non-conference games.  We've got a long way to go before we're ready for our conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 11:21:41 AM
And by the way, Boor did not play.  Uh oh.  How good would they have been with him?  It's very early, but I'm feeling good about my prediction that Averett would finish 2nd in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 01, 2005, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 01, 2005, 09:16:33 AM
Speaking of Averett, the Cougars shoot 59% for the game and beat So. Va 104-66.
I've seen two boxscores from Averett games this season - versus Lynchburg and Southern Virginia - but I haven't seen the Cougars play this year.   Averett beat LC at the buzzer, but so far the Hornets appear to be a second tier ODAC team.  Any predictions for the style of play and outcome when Averett visits Guilford on January 4th?  So far, the Quakers are 3-1 (lost to NAIA DII #6 Embry-Riddle on the road) and just came off a wild 147-136 road win over Emory & Henry last night.

Averett has a somewhat Princeton-esque offense. They really like the backdoor cuts. THey are extrmely effective at it.  Their post players don't have a lot of muscle and arent the typical back to the basket players. They like to get the ball away from the basket and take midrange jumpers to allow space underneath for the backdoor cut.  They are much improved with the 3 point shooting. They have this one whjite kid (forgot name or number) that is very good at draining the 3. You have to close out on this kid fast and contest the shot or else because he''s got the green light to take the 3, and he's going to make it most of the time. I think he may be #24. THey also have a bunch of other good 3 point shooters as well. They don't really have any one standout player thats going to take over every game, but they are a deep and balanced team with 5 or 6 players capable of scoring in double figures. They have some pretty athletic guys that will not hesitate to dunk the ball with ease if given the opportunity. They are a pretty good rebounding team. THey don't have any one guy that's going to be averaging a ton of rebounds, but their guards crash the boards pretty well.  Their OPG, Sterling Williams, can be turnover prone too. He's averaging a little over 4 turnovers a game and he had 8 turnovers against Lynchburg. He really seems to get aggravated when you pressure him a lot and play good defense on him, which is reasonable, but he shows it and you can probably use that to your advantage to force him int stupid fous and maybe some technical fouls. Defensively they like to use some full court pressure. Lynchburg was able to beat the pressure relatively easily most of the time, but at times you could see that it bothered us a little. I don't know if their press is kinda weak or if it was just our game though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2005, 12:10:38 PM
Scottie, thanks for your assessment of Averett.  I believe the Quakers will try to force a faster tempo against the Cougars, especially at home.  Last night's game versus E&H in Emory (no less) proved, I think, that the Quakers can win with that strategy.  No offense meant to Southern Virginia, but I am using the Lynchburg game as a barometer of Averett's talent and athleticism.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 01:30:21 PM
'nova - scottie's assesment is pretty solid - i wouldn't call the offense a princeton offense...it's more motion with some back-doors, so i guess it is "princeton-esque" in that regard - they are playing a couple of frosh (2 bigs and a guard), so no usasac team has really seen the full capability of this team - they were very limited offensively last year, but that doesn't seem to be the case this year, judging by the shooting %'s and scores - they DID play nasty defense last year, but i read scottie's assesment of their game with rmc on the odac board, and he doesn't seem to think they play hard on the defensive end...i'll reserve judgement until i see that myself - with exception of oglethorp and rmc, they've held the other 4 opponents to 68, 66, 62 and 54...pretty solid - sterling williams is their best perimeter player, and is nice on both ends - scottie mentions his turnover problems, but doesn't mention a solid 1.5:1 assist/turnover ratio...i like williams' game a lot - i think your quackers will have a tough time with them...should be a good game

as an aside, when are the quackers going to play the monarchs? i've heard they use some lame excuse about "too many conference games, not enough non-conference dates" when mc talks to them about a game, yet i see some naia programs on the gcq schedule - you do your part with the quacker coaches, and i'll do mine with the monarch coaches, and let's make this happen :) - no excuse for these teams to not play every year, especially with so much cross-recruiting (mostly won by the quackers the last few years ie: 2 mc transfers, strong and kimbrough)

re: averett - something about their start is reminding me of ferrum in football - i said after the 3rd or 4th game that ferrum scared me, and lo and behold they end up 9-1 and usasac champs from out of nowhere...averett's start is scaring me, as well, although not as much - in my mind i know they play strong defense (scottie's assesment notwithstanding) and they seem to have found some offensive spark now (and without boor, as captj pointed out) ..could be a recipe for a strong conference push - your prediction might just be right, captj
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 02:02:27 PM
game notes for the asu/mc match-up (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/Game%20Notes%20-%20Appalachian%20State.pdf) - should be interesting...wouldn't it be nice to see that espn scroll tonight and see mc leading and eventually winning - i, for one, would really like to see that and the front page coverage on d3hoops.com - not exactly holding my breath, but it would be nice...more importantly, i hope to log on to d3hoops.com on sunday evening and see that the monarchs have upended a very good m'ville team...that would be SUPER nice :)

the game notes list robert lee as a probable starter tonight...i suspect that is primarily for the defensive pressure he can provide on the pg for asu, but i hope that is a long-term deal for the monarchs - no disrespect meant to hairston, but i love lee's game on both ends...lee is not a true pg as hairston is, and it forces grant to play pg, but i think hairston is better coming off the bench and providing some energy, while lee's defense and shooting ability really can stretch an opposing defense, allowing guys like thomas and the post players more room to work - go monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2005, 02:23:10 PM
Narch - Yeah, I know both Palombo and AD Kirby, so I'll mention it to them.  Guilford does have 18 conference games, but it does look like Methodist is a better fit than some of the nonconference games they do play.  Not sure about Palombo's overall scheduling strategy, but Kirby should be tight with the USASAC guys after all his years as football coach at Greensboro.  Funny thing, all four recent nonconference football games are against the USASAC, but only two of the seven available nonconference basketball games.  Certainly, travel costs aren't as big a deal for basketball as they are for football.  Palombo seems to like to take the guys on a trip out of state at least once and also schedule his old midwestern foes in Greensboro during Christmas (he was at Defiance).  The Pride, by the way, usually alternate with the Quakers on these two opponents.  Two years ago the Quakers played Hiram and last year UW-La Crosse and Case-Western Reserve during the holidays.  This year it's Ohio Dominican and Heidelberg.  I don't remember a game against Methodist since the Monarchs had a player who was the younger brother of one of Duke's stars (help me out on the names please lol) and that's been many years ago.  It seems like a natural intrastate rivalry to me, too.  We also always seem to have one or two DI teams on the schedule each season.  Although it would be great if the Quakers ever beat one of those teams, I personally think it's better to give your guys a fair shot at a victory within your own division.  I can't believe the money for a Guilford game at Elon, Western Carolina, East Tennessee, Wofford or UNC-G is worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 01, 2005, 05:19:20 PM
Even CJ stated after the second SoVa game that had it been a conference game "we would have had our ears pinned".....I think he used an incorrect phrase. The context of the phrase was centered around discussion of the turnovers and having too many mistakes. Had that game been against a conference opponent we would have lost. We can be confident against SoVa, St Joseph's and MAryland Bible...but we had better get the kinks worked out before we hit the floor against a conference foe.  Maybe CJ knows what he's doing with these easy non-conf games.....?....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 06:08:49 PM
Perhaps.  As long as there are some "reality check" games thrown in the mix, which there are.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 06:11:22 PM
I would be relieved and pleased (big time!) if we came out of Myrtle Beach as tourny champ.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 06:13:17 PM
Go Monarchs!  Tip off less than an hour away, narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: narch on December 01, 2005, 01:30:21 PM
'nova - scottie's assesment is pretty solid - i wouldn't call the offense a princeton offense...it's more motion with some back-doors, so i guess it is "princeton-esque" in that regard - they are playing a couple of frosh (2 bigs and a guard), so no usasac team has really seen the full capability of this team - they were very limited offensively last year, but that doesn't seem to be the case this year, judging by the shooting %'s and scores - they DID play nasty defense last year, but i read scottie's assesment of their game with rmc on the odac board, and he doesn't seem to think they play hard on the defensive end...i'll reserve judgement until i see that myself - with exception of oglethorp and rmc, they've held the other 4 opponents to 68, 66, 62 and 54...pretty solid - sterling williams is their best perimeter player, and is nice on both ends - scottie mentions his turnover problems, but doesn't mention a solid 1.5:1 assist/turnover ratio...i like williams' game a lot - i think your quackers will have a tough time with them...should be a good game

as an aside, when are the quackers going to play the monarchs? i've heard they use some lame excuse about "too many conference games, not enough non-conference dates" when mc talks to them about a game, yet i see some naia programs on the gcq schedule - you do your part with the quacker coaches, and i'll do mine with the monarch coaches, and let's make this happen :) - no excuse for these teams to not play every year, especially with so much cross-recruiting (mostly won by the quackers the last few years ie: 2 mc transfers, strong and kimbrough)

re: averett - something about their start is reminding me of ferrum in football - i said after the 3rd or 4th game that ferrum scared me, and lo and behold they end up 9-1 and usasac champs from out of nowhere...averett's start is scaring me, as well, although not as much - in my mind i know they play strong defense (scottie's assesment notwithstanding) and they seem to have found some offensive spark now (and without boor, as captj pointed out) ..could be a recipe for a strong conference push - your prediction might just be right, captj

Defensively, at least when we played @ Averett, their defense was kinda good. I think their full court pressure will be effective against teams, but it never seemed to be all that effective against us, but we haven't really had any problems with full court pressure all season though, so it's tough to make a good call on that. But after seeing just how well macon can shoot (and i'm not exaggerating when I say they are one of the best shooting teams i have ever seen), I'd have to say that there isn't much you can do to prevent macon from filling up the box scores when they are making their shots. Basially, when they start making a high percentage of their shots you are done because they are going to keep making them for the entire game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 01, 2005, 07:50:19 PM
Ya well Im really scared of several teams. Carnegie Mellon for one, who is 5-0 right now. We could match up with an Eastern Conn. team in the tourny. And of course Lincoln who's 5-1 and no pushover and Keystone, even though they are 2-3. There are and could be four tough games between the end of the year and Jan 14. And not too mention a Frostburg St. team who beat us on their floor last year and to top it off the bus broke down on the way home and it snowed its arse off the whole way home too. Thank god I wasnt on that bus.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:22:00 PM
monarchs lose by 18 - a couple of bright spots, looking at the box score (http://stats.goasu.com/mbasketball/xindiv.htm)

now the bad

alright boys, learn from this and beat maryville on sunday!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:36:58 PM
just read the game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50018)...i think sid lee wright read my post before writing his release :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 09:40:30 PM
methodist players played a combined 199 minutes. appalachian state players played a combined 201 minutes. how does that work?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: scottie too hottie on December 01, 2005, 09:40:30 PM
methodist players played a combined 199 minutes. appalachian state players played a combined 201 minutes. how does that work?
sth - the ncaa doesn't want d3's to beat d1's, so they allow the d1 team to play 1 minute at the beginning of each half w/o the other team on the floor...asu scored 22 points in those 2 minutes, so really the monarchs would have won were it not for this quirky rule...you'll see when lc plays jerry falwell u
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2005, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:56:23 PM
Quote from: scottie too hottie on December 01, 2005, 09:40:30 PM
methodist players played a combined 199 minutes. appalachian state players played a combined 201 minutes. how does that work?
sth - the ncaa doesn't want d3's to beat d1's, so they allow the d1 team to play 1 minute at the beginning of each half w/o the other team on the floor...asu scored 22 points in those 2 minutes, so really the monarchs would have won were it not for this quircky rule...you'll see when lc plays jerry falwell u

your math doesnt add up here! one minute each half? that would mean that methodist would have only played 198 minutes! :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 01, 2005, 10:06:17 PM
Good effort Monarchs.  Sounds like there were lots of positives (very balanced scoring, few turnovers, consistent effort).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2005, 10:07:30 PM
sorry, i meant the first minute of the FIRST HALF...and somehow an extra minute for the d1...it's a very obscure and hard to understand rule, scottie...you'll see when lc plays jerry's kids :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 02, 2005, 11:21:10 AM
Hey Narch:  I missed Maryville's only home game to date and have not seen them this year.  Several times they have had five people in double figures, with both inside and outside players involved.  Teams have tried zone but Mason and Calloway have stepped up and hit from outside.  Blair and Golden have been able to score inside.  Holliday is probably the best defender.  They are scoring a lot of points, but so are the other teams.   The one key starter you did not face last year is Jonathan Johnson, a slasher type with good D who plays wing. 

I guess neither of us really will know much for sure even after Sunday, as I cannot make it and I think you said you could not either.   I hate having to rely on stats and other people's opinions!

Will there be a Methodist broadcast?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 02, 2005, 01:27:18 PM
scottiedoug - thanks for the scouting report...i'm SICK that i won't be there on sunday...i've had that date circled since the schedule came out, but professional obligations call - the mc sid is going to call me at half-time and at the conclussion of the game to give me updates, though :) - i'm not aware of any hoops broadcasts this year...not sure why, but i don't think any games are being broadcast as of now, and i doubt anything could be pulled together before sunday - i have talked to some folks who have seen m'ville play, and the consensus is that there hasn't been much (if any) drop-off in quality vs. last year...they're a little different team, but still very, VERY good - a monarch win would be HUGE
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 02, 2005, 01:29:30 PM
Quote from: narch on December 01, 2005, 10:07:30 PM
sorry, i meant the first minute of the FIRST HALF...and somehow an extra minute for the d1...it's a very obscure and hard to understand rule, scottie...you'll see when lc plays jerry's kids :)

Sounds confusing, but it is the NCAA, so it has to be confusing! Maybe i'll be able to get some info out of somebody when we get there. This little bit of info could be the determing factor in rather we win or lose today!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 02, 2005, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: scottie too hottie on December 02, 2005, 01:29:30 PMThis little bit of info could be the determing factor in rather we win or lose today!
YES IT COULD!!!

make sure you tell all the players and have them prepared - it's strange to see a team out there shooting and dunking feverishly as though it's simply warm-ups and see the scoreboard registering points...it's very tough to overcome :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 02, 2005, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: narch on December 02, 2005, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: scottie too hottie on December 02, 2005, 01:29:30 PMThis little bit of info could be the determing factor in rather we win or lose today!
YES IT COULD!!!

make sure you tell all the players and have them prepared - it's strange to see a team out there shooting and dunking feverishly as though it's simply warm-ups and see the scoreboard registering points...it's very tough to overcome :)

it has to be the most demoralizing thing to morale as I can imagine. Although, from a spectator point of view, it would be nice to see some good dunks :) Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to see their coach trying to convince someone in the ncaa to let them go 2 minutes to ensure that they'll have a lead that is just way big for us to overcome, because they are probably scared you know!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 02, 2005, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:36:58 PM
just read the game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50018)...i think sid lee wright read my post before writing his release :)
Or vice versa.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on December 02, 2005, 07:33:54 PM
ive never hears of such a rule. 
i smell bull!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 02, 2005, 10:05:33 PM
narch,
those blasted flames did try to take advantage of the rule! they were able to convince ncaa officials to let them play 2 extra minutes at the end of the first half! they were able to run up the score to a point where we were beyond capable of coming back from! told you they were scared!  :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 02, 2005, 11:54:09 PM
Quote from: captj on December 02, 2005, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: narch on December 01, 2005, 09:36:58 PM
just read the game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50018)...i think sid lee wright read my post before writing his release :)
Or vice versa.
except that i wouldn't have made that post were that the case :)

scottie, sorry to hear the hornets couldn't take down the flames, and i'm glad you can take a little ribbing and good natured joking...the box score i posted was the "live stats" box, and thus, unofficial...there is no such rule, eddie...it's complete bull hooey
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 03, 2005, 09:24:44 AM
OK, now I'm a bit concerned.  Curry made a huge comeback to win on the road against a very good Trinity (CT) team.  I thought that they might be able to split their two games this week, but that the W would be the home game on Tuesday.  Should be a very, very good test for the Captains tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 03, 2005, 01:24:14 PM
Does anyone know what the criteria are for D3 hoops travel?  Specifically, how far must an away game be before the team gets to fly?  I'm 6-4 so I know how uncomfortable public transportation can be, and I can only imagine how torturous a bus ride must be for someone much taller than me.  If Curry bussed down here from Mass. they will have to be really, really road-weary.  I guess I'll know in a couple of hours which it was since usually the opposing team's bus parks right in the middle of our parking lot, diagonally, taking up as many parking spaces as possible while they sit there idling, spewing out diesel fumes for 5 hours.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 03, 2005, 02:58:51 PM
depends on the school and finances.  I dont think there is a *rule* on how far is a flight vs. a bus
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 03:11:12 PM
College of St. Joe's bussed down here and its about 12 hours to Vermont. From Milton, Ma, which is south of Boston, its about 9 hours away, maybe 10. Mapquest has it at 633 miles and 10 hours and 48 minutes of travel, but thats usually on the long end of it. Only "rule" comes in during NCAA play and thats it, during regular season play, its on the school to decide how they want to get there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 05:47:51 PM
Outstanding!!! Curry had six players on the court for 10 seconds before anyone noticed and they get t'ed up, CNU makes both free throws, go up one, 66-65 with 21 seconds left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 05:49:07 PM
Offensive foul by Curry turns the ball over with 5.8 seconds left and still up one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 05:50:42 PM
Matt Coleman blocks a three at the buzzer that could have tied the game, Captains win 68-65.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 03, 2005, 06:50:13 PM
oops...guess I should look at my tickets for game time...I was just getting ready to go to the game!!!  :P ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 03, 2005, 07:19:09 PM
Atta boy 85, atta boy!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Three Sails on December 03, 2005, 08:00:18 PM
I have heard of the "6th Man" helping to win a game but never a "6th Man" losing it.  Nice come back by the Capts after terrible shooting % in the first half.  Gotta get some of those shots to drop!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 03, 2005, 10:39:52 PM
Narch & cnu85: 

How is CNU and Greensboro in Basketball?  I see Lincoln plays them in a tournament in Myrtle Beach, on 12/20 & 12/21.

Any info would be appreciated  :) .
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 04, 2005, 10:48:26 AM
I believe narch is a Methodist fan, and I dont think he has seen them play yet this year, so he may not be the person with the most knowledge, although Im sure he could break them down for you on paper. Are there any Gboro posters out there still who can help this person out??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 04, 2005, 11:14:33 AM
Big Game today Monarchs. Lets step up and get this win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 04, 2005, 11:21:35 AM
After all the tongue-in-cheek discussion on this board about D1 team's minutes adding up to more than 200, the Captains have a game in which their D3 opponent has more than 200 (in a regulation game; no OT).  After a timeout, Curry comes out with six players and it takes the zebras 10 seconds to notice before calling the technical.  Actually, the only reason they noticed was because they saw a Curry player diving off the court at the CNU bench.  So, although the box score says 200 minutes for Curry, it should really say 200.17.  Other random thoughts –

Like I've said before; we seem totally unprepared at the beginning of our games.  Once again it took way too long to get on the board.  We made it 9-2 at the 15:47 mark.  CJ said in the post game interview that they had made starting well a goal for this game.  With Curry playing two tough games this week AND traveling from MA, and the Captains having the week off to prepare for them, it's just ridiculous that they be clearly more prepared for us than we were for them.

Can we buy some shooters?  First half fg% was 28.6%.  38.8% for the game. 

The Riley/Coleman combo continues to impress.  How much longer can we keep these guys out of the starting lineup?  Without these two guys our fg% would have been 21.4% (half) and 34% (game).

Mark Blasingame gave us solid minutes again but he is never used in the last ten minutes of each half.  Challenge him now, CJ.

Davon Barton seemed a little apprehensive, even though we shouldn't complain about 6 assists and only 2 turnovers.  I hope that it was just an off game, but if he wasn't completely healed from the injury last week it would be understandable. 

Curry is only six-players deep (seven if you include the 6-9 statue that played 11 minutes) and had to travel a long way for this game, but we didn't seem to wear them out. 

Once again the refs allowed a very rough style of play, and were once again abysmal in their calls.  The calls seemed totally arbitrary.  Blatant fouls get no whistle and other times they make a call seemingly before the play even occurs.  CNU got away with a clear goaltending non-call early in the second half.  I guess you can't complain when the calls are so clearly arbitrary that they don't favor either team, but I'd hate to see one of the missed/wrong calls decide a close game at the end.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 04, 2005, 06:20:26 PM
Tough loss, narch.  I really wanted your guys to win.  You gotta think that Maryville will crack the Top 25 this week since in their so-far undefeated season their closest margin of victory was three points against a good Centre team.  Well-fought losses against better teams are nothing to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on December 04, 2005, 06:50:59 PM
i still would like to see more of mcsheperd.  i think with his height and speed he would of been a huge mismatch last night.  i think he would of given #25 (the white kid) i think that was his # problems on defense.  he was warming up with the big men but he is listed as a guard.  i never noticed that before but maybe hes been doing that all year.  come on cj give him some pt.  goose i didnt see u at the game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 04, 2005, 07:41:46 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 03, 2005, 10:39:52 PM
Narch & cnu85: 

How is CNU and Greensboro in Basketball?  I see Lincoln plays them in a tournament in Myrtle Beach, on 12/20 & 12/21.

Any info would be appreciated  :) .
I saw Greenboro against Guilford and the Quakers handled the Pride fairly easily 82-67, but had a 25-point second-half lead.  Greensboro has some speed, but not much height or depth this year (injuries).  From what I hear about Lincoln this season, I think you guys can win by 12+ as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 04, 2005, 07:54:25 PM
eddie -

I'd like to see more of McShepherd also.  I missed the St. Joseph game when he got some pt, so I've never seen this 6-9 g-f we have languishing on the bench.  I guess we'll have to have a couple more blowouts before we know more.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 04, 2005, 11:10:07 PM
Narch:  If you had told me Murvul would be outrebounded and shoot 18% from behind the arch and be led in scoring by Holliday, I would have predicted another outcome.   What do your sources say?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 04, 2005, 11:11:19 PM
edwardo, I was there, in my usual area.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 04, 2005, 11:16:13 PM
I was just looking at the box from the Methodist/Maryville game. Wow, MC scores 61 and no one scores in double figures, did I read that right?? Two had nine (McEvoy swats five), one with eight and three with seven. Very balanced.  I can see the difference between the two teams in the second half was foul shooting as Maryville was 20-of-23 and MC went to the line just seven times and made three. Grant fouled out, one had four and three others had three each. Narch, we know you were there. Fill us in. Refs call a crappy game?? Wouldnt surprise me as the officiating has been equally terrible in all the games Ive seen at CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 04, 2005, 10:48:26 AM
I believe narch is a Methodist fan, and I dont think he has seen them play yet this year, so he may not be the person with the most knowledge, although Im sure he could break them down for you on paper. Are there any Gboro posters out there still who can help this person out??
narch is definitely a Methodist fan!  He puts the big Mo in Mo(narch)!  lol :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 05, 2005, 10:38:27 AM
hasanova & Goose:

Thanks for the info, and predictions.  Hasanova, Myrick is a point guard, but he's plays more an "AI" point position, where he has the green light to score.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 05, 2005, 10:38:27 AM
hasanova & Goose:

Thanks for the info, and predictions.  Hasanova, Myrick is a point guard, but he's plays more an "AI" point position, where he has the green light to score.
You're welcome.  Is Lincoln University (PA) the same school that was once called Lincoln Memorial or am I confusing two different institutions?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 05, 2005, 10:38:27 AM
hasanova & Goose:

Thanks for the info, and predictions.  Hasanova, Myrick is a point guard, but he's plays more an "AI" point position, where he has the green light to score.
You're welcome.  Is Lincoln University (PA) the same school that was once called Lincoln Memorial or am I confusing two different institutions?
Just answered my own question - Lincoln Memorial University is in Tennessee.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 05, 2005, 02:18:46 PM

hasanova:

Yep, you answered your own question.  Lincoln University founded in 1854, is the oldest HBCU in the country.  A few schools like cheyney (1837) were founded as schools, not institutions of higher learning.  Ashmun Institute (now Lincoln University) was founded by Quakers specifically as an instititution of higher learning for males of African descent.

Lincoln was know as the Black Princeton, with the colors navy blue and orange and mascot Lions comparing to Princeton's black and orange Tigers.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 05, 2005, 02:18:46 PM

hasanova:

Yep, you answered your own question.  Lincoln University founded in 1854, is the oldest HBCU in the country.  A few schools like cheyney (1837) were founded as schools, not institutions of higher learning.  Ashmun Institute (now Lincoln University) was founded by Quakers specifically as an instititution of higher learning for males of African descent.

Lincoln was know as the Black Princeton, with the colors navy blue and orange and mascot Lions comparing to Princeton's black and orange Tigers.

njlincolnlion,

I did not know the Quaker connection, but I am not the least bit surprised.  It also makes sense that LU was founded in Pennsylvania, where many early Quakers lived and started schools.  FYI - My alma mater in North Carolina, Guilford, was also founded by the Society of Friends and is an Historical Landmark for, among other things, being a stop on the Underground Railroad.   Most (I don't know for sure if it was all) of the NC Quakers refused to own slaves and used the 300 acres of the college as a refuge and stopping point for runaway slaves trying to escape to the North.  Other NC Quakers, disappointed that NC was a slave state, moved farther west and north to Ohio, Indiana and Iowa.  Some other Quaker colleges in the midwest are Wilmington (OH), Earlham (IN) and William Penn (IA). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 05, 2005, 07:08:41 PM
An FYI for the guys from the USASAC... basketball season started a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 05, 2005, 07:23:29 PM
hasanova –

I just read your "cover all my ecumenical bases" post regarding salvation and the afterlife over on the football board... it cracked me up.  I'm curious about your handle... "has a Nova"?  My brother had a Nova and it wasn't anything to be proud of.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2005, 08:51:01 PM
Quote from: captj on December 05, 2005, 07:23:29 PM
hasanova –

I just read your "cover all my ecumenical bases" post regarding salvation and the afterlife over on the football board... it cracked me up.  I'm curious about your handle... "has a Nova"?  My brother had a Nova and it wasn't anything to be proud of.

captj - Thanks.  My siblings and I have a pretty good sense of humor about all things, including religion.  You should see all five of us when we get together.  lol  We're convinced God has a sense of humor - why else would he give us duck-billed platypuses, Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker and Yugos?   ???

I do have a restored '68 Chevy Nova, which I bought used in 1969.  Red, of course, with a 307-V8 and a 4-speed manual transmission.  Not my daily driver anymore, but it does turn some heads on Sunday afternoon cruises.   It was my "road trip" car for Quaker basketball when I was a student at Guilford. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 08:54:13 AM
hasanova –

I'm relieved... I was afraid that you might have ended up with my brother's late seventies (I think) 4-door with an anemic 6-banger and the most hideous plaid upholstery you've ever seen.  Sounds like a nice ride.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 06, 2005, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: captj on December 06, 2005, 08:54:13 AM
hasanova –

I'm relieved... I was afraid that you might have ended up with my brother's late seventies (I think) 4-door with an anemic 6-banger and the most hideous plaid upholstery you've ever seen.  Sounds like a nice ride.

captj - I hear you.  Your brother's Nova sounds like what my brothers and I call an A-B car, that is, only good for getting you from Point A to Point B.  lol  Thanks for the compliments on my '68.  I get a lot of offers to purchase it and I ride in a few parades and stuff like that from time to time.  After 36 years, it's a part of the "family."  By the way, there is actually a club for Nova enthusiasts out of York, PA called NNN - National Nostalgic Nova - of which I am a member.  Just like d3hoops, there are niche fans out there for Novas, although most of them don't restore the late seventies models with a 6-cylinder and plaid seats.  :)     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 06, 2005, 12:14:27 PM
Must be exam week in the world of CNU athletics if captj is talkin about novas!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: captj on December 05, 2005, 07:08:41 PM
An FYI for the guys from the USASAC... basketball season started a couple of weeks ago.

See the quote from myself above.....

This board seems to have died.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 02:11:24 PM
And besides, Goose... what are we going to talk about?  Maryland Bible?!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 06, 2005, 02:44:16 PM
We could always talk about Frostburg!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 06, 2005, 03:35:02 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 06, 2005, 02:44:16 PM
We could always talk about Frostburg!!
So, how 'bout dem Blue Devils!  Hokies, we love you, but you gotta defend those 40-footers at the buzzer!  lol  Cameron is, well, crazy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 06, 2005, 04:29:31 PM
i wasn't at the m'ville game and haven't had a chance to talk to anyone regarding the game - i do know the monarchs were up 1 at halftime (i think the score was 22-21!!) before falling - m'ville is good...make no mistake...but a hard fought loss isn't my gig...that's a game the monarchs have got to win at home if they want to be the team they are capable of being - got some work to do - go monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 06, 2005, 05:52:49 PM
I miss one game and you guys go town the toilet....I'll try to make it on the 12th to liven things up a little on here......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 06, 2005, 06:09:23 PM
85 -

You better buy a calendar and a watch before you go making promises.  The game is Monday, 12/12, 7:30 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on December 06, 2005, 07:24:01 PM
damn, my computer breaks for a couple weeks and the boar dgoes crazy....


whelp 4-1 the captains are looking good. i cant wait for them to play some decent teams though. Lewis will start to show how he can play...


the crowds willl deff start to get bigger. i can tell u that. cnu will be a touhg place to play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 06, 2005, 08:23:33 PM
They have a tough game on the 17th in Frostburg and then play Lincoln who is very good and a Keystone team that seems a lil down to me this year, after going 24-5 last year. Then of course is the shootout and we will move past that, then there's Fisher and Shenandoah before we get to the game that really scares me (not that Lincoln, Keystone, and Frostburg dont), but Carnegie Mellon comes to town, a squad that just upset 12th ranked Rochester. Should be very interesting to say the least.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 11:01:07 AM
Wow,

Another tough loss for the Monarchs  :'(  I know its a tough schedule but, Champions find ways to win tough games. It's time to step it up. I know the coaching staff will get them right before conference play comes around they are pretty good at that!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 11:38:14 AM
Gents, Merry Christmas.   I have been humbly reading the posts on the Captains and have had the pleasure (some lack of  ;)) of observing all of the games thus far.   Couple of observations, the first not team related...."the refs."   

Which ever team you're rooting for there will be calls you disagree with. Conversely, what upsets me is the lack of "tone" these guys are setting to games.  One of the refs in particular from the Curry game I recognized, he refs in the Bay Rivers District.  I was shocked he was calling a Captains game!  He always looked to me like he had a chip on his shoulder.  He probably doesn't, he just looks like he does!  However, in my (again) humble opinion they do need to set the "tone."  The best refs I've seen are the ones with "personality" (that is they look like they enjoy what they're doing)....they "communicate" with the players and the coaches from the git-go.  There were maybe three of these in the Bay Rivers last year and pretty sure they all call college (know at least two of them do) ball.  You can hear'em...."watch your hands, don't reach, don't push"....they communicate with the players and I believe eliminate a lot of play stoppage.   Most importantly they should first and foremost protect the players...some of the physical play and aggressive reaching is off the charts this year and we've seen the result.   Some things cannot be prevented, but many can if the tone is set early.   Once it's out of control...well...it's hard to reel in. 

The Caps continue to improve.   Would like to see Coleman and Riley on the court at the beginning or at least experiment starting one of those guys.  Just seems to be a lack of energy at the start of games.  The team shows a lot of heart coming back....though it can be unnerving for the fans!   And before I get to long winded....I am with Goose, Korey Lewis is VERY talented and sincerely hope he fulfills his potential.  But Coach should make him run every time he shoots a fall away jumper.  You'll note his azimuth is always "right on" target, but 9 times our of ten he bounces it off the front of the rim.   Plus you'll NEVER draw a foul falling away....anyway....happy holidays.....these long breaks are to much.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 07, 2005, 11:41:36 AM
I know everyone has been checking out the USA SOUTH website at the 25th anniversary sport teams.  Anyone knows when the basketball anniversary team(s) will be released?  Any ideas on the players that will be on the team?  If this topic has already come up, I apologize, but I have been AWOL for a few weeks.


GO HORNETS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 07, 2005, 12:00:29 PM
Its the 25th anniversary women's sports this year. Not men, to my knowledge.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 07, 2005, 02:59:56 PM
ballgame –

I like your thoughts about the zebras.  I've posted remarks about them a couple of times this year, and not once were my comments complimentary.  I know that it's tough doing what they do (I'd never want to do it), but I repeatedly feel like they're just universally bad and that their calls are totally arbitrary.  I would post positive comments when they're due but I think that, by nature, we (spectators/fans) only notice them when they screw up.  And this is how I think that it should be.  To me, they've done their best when we've hardly noticed them.  What I HATE is when they make the game about THEM.  The game is called "basketball", not "refereeing".  We're not there to see them.  I hate it when a referee makes a call and then waves his arms hysterically as he races across the court, making himself the focus of everyone's attention.  I like the idea that a referee can set a "tone" for the game, or even create one, but I would like for it to be invisible to the spectators.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 07, 2005, 03:04:52 PM
So, is there going to be an official, all-time, All-USASAC/Dixie basketball team announced some day/year?  Or a 25-year team?  Is that what you guys are talking about?  If so, it sounds incredibly intriguing.  Tell us more.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 03:17:37 PM
captj, agree.....they should for the most part be invisible.  Being a referee is sort of like be a teacher....the really good ones are not in it solely for the money, but for their love of the profession or in this case the game.  The Zebras are human, they'll make mistakes.....good Lord who wouldn't, especially in a game as fast as basketball.  And like ball players, refs probably even have an off night from time-to-time....but.....I don't know...lately it just seems pretty darn physical and they're letting a lot slide.   Almost, "no blood, no foul."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 03:40:41 PM
Its been a while since my last post.  I've been busy between giving thanks and being laid up with an injury, (surgery to fix a torn achilles... is this what you call karma for all the smack talking?  Maybe I should change the nick to I'msore? Luckily they gave me some good pills.)

MethCo comes out of the gate with a blistering 5-2 record... wait, what?  Lose to Wooster, Mville, App State...okay its tough, but I can take it, but Voorhees?  Our only wins are Maritime State and Thomas More.  Less than intimidating.  As fred Wilard Said in A Mighty Wind:  "wha' happened?"


It seems like this season could go either way.   I like the tough sched to get ready, but I also like a pretty record.  Of course, what matters most is conf play.  Get better with every game, keep it together, roll into conf and start bashing heads in.  The monarchs need to get tough and learn how to execute. 

Looking at the stats:
Seth, Marcus, Gene and BWill, Stealing everything, now if we could keep those TO's down.  That would be nice. 
A lot of people seem to be shooting well behind the arc, Mike Mac with 67%? well, everyone except for this Gene character, 4-25 behind the arc?
Gimme an S, Gimme a Lump.  By the end of the season it'll even out.  Good players make points, Great players make plays.
The post guys need to be getting more shots, and they need to rebound. We need an inside presence.


Just from glancing around the conf

AU 4-2 They seem to be doing well.  Shooting well, and spreading around the scoring.  Killed So. Va.  104-66

CNU 4-1  There are plenty of CNU fans who know much more about the team than  I do. 

GC 2-3  Another year, another new coach.  Two wins over mid-level teams.

FC 1-6  ...  We'll see how they do against So Va.

NCW 2-4 Not off to a great start.  Are they going to lose all they're games and then explode in the tourny again?

SU 5-2 They look really strong.  Of Course, they looked pretty strong last year at the start then fell off for a bit.  So. Va. 102-87


I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.

As for the refs, I like physical play.   "Lettem Play Ref."

Well, the pills are starting to set in... I should leave before I say something that will put people on defense.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 03:52:02 PM
Isoar, physical play ain't basketball.....especially when kids are getting hurt.    Thank God for Steve Nash, Tony Parker, and T.J. Ford...heck I'll even throw AI in there....if not for them Vince McMahon would own the NBA!  I'm sure the networks are really hoping for another Detroit vs SA wrestling match.  Clean up the physical play and let's put some points on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 07, 2005, 04:34:29 PM
ISoar –

I believe that the Monarch's problem to date has been (and I've been arguing with narch about this all season) that they're having a hard time adjusting to the graduation of their best player.  But... the season is still young and I think that they WILL adjust, as long as they don't let the early-season bruises (losses) get them down.  Conference games are still a long way off, and for all of the USASAC teams this year, THAT is when the season begins.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 04:58:24 PM
captj- Youre right.  I just wish the learning curve was a little bit better.

ballgame- Kids getting hurt?  Is this something that is a direct result of rough play?  If you're talking about people playing dirty, thats one thing, but haven't people always been getting injured while playing basketball?

AI's pretty physical, TJ Ford just kicked someone in the head (just joking, but seriously, he did it).  And If I remember A guy name Stockton played pretty tough.  
I'm not a fan of hamstringing the d just to "put more points on the board."  

ie If the O dives to the hole jumps and draws contact, a defender should be allowed to jump up and down without a foul being called.  Even if they collide.  

I don't want to see refs rewarding offense by cracking down on defense.  If a someone gets beat to a spot and theres some contact it should be let go.

Armbars, should be allowed.  Yes, protect the shooters.  Stop the grabbing, slapping, and holding, but bumping only hurt a few people.

Physical play is basketball.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 07, 2005, 05:30:22 PM
what time is it?

heck...what day is it?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 05:50:30 PM
Lol...of course it's a direct result of physical, hmmm...let's change the terminology..."rough" play, otherwise I would not have mentioned it. 

I'm not talking about a guard diving to hole and jumping into a big man....rules are pretty specific there, though the tendency of the zebras seems to be to penalize the big men.  As long as they don't bring their arms down they should not be penalized.   Give me break Isoar....lol...I know people get hurt playing basketball....good lord....but I do know kids get hurt because refs let games get out of control from the git go. 

Picks and rub offs are part of the game....excessive reaching/swatting and bodying the dribbler to knock him off stride are not....I'm not hamstringing anyone....just want them to enforce the rules consistently and from what I've seen they're not. 

You say physical play is basketball....what do you mean.....hand checking is OK.....forearm shivers are OK......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 07, 2005, 05:58:15 PM
O...thanks Goose, I guess I didn't realize that all the "25th teams" being congratulated were women...my bad...lol.  (Everyone) if we had to pick an all time first, second (and third) team who would the players be!?!?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
This ISoar guy is pretty smart. LOL

Capt J,

I still have to agree with Narch with the reference of losing your best player. Losing your best player shouldn't mean the downfall of your team. Not saying its a downfall but, good teams always find away to fill a void. When Byrd graduated from Methodist the team won a share of the conference. CNU was still a powerhouse when Sinclair graduated. Others step up, filled his shoes and found ways to win.  Methodist must find away to do so. The talent is there but, they must be consistent. I'm pretty sure they'll turn it around soon they always have. Last year was the first time the team had a winning record going into conference play. Where I think Porter loss if felt the most is in the rebounding catergory.He got his hands on every ball that came off the glass. Thomas is a good rebounder but, he should not be leading the team in rebounds a post player should and must step up.  

Ballgame,

I agree with you to a point but, basketball is a physical game. I fill the refs should be consistent. If they are bad be bad 90% of the time, and call the game the same way for both teams. That way you know what you are getting into as a player and coach. I get mad when a hard foul is not called on one end but, called on the other side two or three plays later.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 06:24:31 PM
Anybody,

What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 06:31:55 PM
Thanks hoops....though I don't recall saying that basketball "is not" a physical game....anyone that's ever played knows it's a physical game......'nough said  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 07:51:13 PM
Ballgame - I think we're arguing about different things here, but I like to argue, so I'll continue.

Quote from: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 03:52:02 PM
Isoar, physical play ain't basketball.....

Quote from: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 06:31:55 PM

I don't recall saying that basketball "is not" a physical game....

Quote from: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 05:50:30 PM

You say physical play is basketball....what do you mean.....hand checking is OK.....forearm shivers are OK......


how many times do you see players delivering a forearm shiver?  And how many times did an official witness the shiver and not call it?  If that's what is going on then you have every right to complain about the refs. 
if you want to know what I mean by physical play, check out wisconsin, Bo knows physical D. 
As far as the kids getting hurt- My point was that a kid accidentally getting poked in the face, or smacked on the head, well that's gonna happen.  And yes, when it happens, a ref should call it.  But contact going to the hole? Someone setting a solid screen? Or a little bumping in the paint? "lettem play." 

Physical play takes a toll on the body.  Its part of the strategy, you beat your opponent down and by the end of the game they're too tired to handle your run. 

Most people get hurt, as a result of being tired.  They get bumped, they're not moving as fast, they can't protect themselves, and then they fall, or roll an ankle.  It's the same reason boxers tend to go down at the end of the rounds; the punches aren't any harder, the protection is just worse. 

As I said earlier sometimes people are going to get smacked, but that's always going to happen, regardless of the way the refs call the game.  At the end of a physical game, they're too just too tired to handle it. 

Sloppy games with bad o and worse d where lose balls are rampant and kids are running around the court in dust clouds are probably where kids get hurt the most.  But its hard to "clean" those up.

Hand checking is no good by the way.   


HoopsHops - I've been trying to figure out the Karma thing myself.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 07, 2005, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 06:24:31 PM
Anybody,

What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?
Karma measures how other posters view the style and validity of your posts.  Applaud if you strongly agree and Smite if you strongly disagree.  Most posts receive no Karma score at all.  Higher Karma numbers are considered better.  To avoid unfairness and "piling on," you cannot rate your own posts and you can only Applaud or Smite a fellow poster once very 12 hours.  Karma can accumulate in both the Positive and Negative directions.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 09:11:03 PM
How many national championships has Wisconsin won?  And who was the last big ten champ to win a NC?  Thanks, but I'll take UNC and Duke where they play D with there feet and all out pressure.....now that's physical basketball  :D

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 08:53:25 AM
ballgame, the WIAC is a very strong D3 conference in all sports, especially basketball.

Some of the WIAC critics point to the fact that Wisconsin state has very few D2 schools.  In the 1970's the Wisconsin State Unviersity Conference, as it was called then, was similar to the Lone Star Conference and both were members of the NAIA.

The LSC moved to D2 NCAA.  Over time, some members of the LSC moved up to D1.  The LSC added smaller state schools that began to grow and annexed the Oklahoma state schools which comprise a northern division.  (The ASC, called the TIAA in its NAIA days, has two former members, Tarleton State and football affiliate Midwestern State, who moved up to D2 LSC.)

The WSUC moved to non-scholarship D3.   The WIAC schools have incredible facilities, fan-base and resources compared to other D3 schools.  The WIAC schools contend on a national basis year after year in all sports.  A WIAC member will almost certainly finish in the Top 8-10 in every sport, a feat that may be matched by few other conferences.

Here are the past champions as listed under Archives on the right side-bar. :)

http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:19:48 AM
hops (and AWOL narch),

You can continue to minimize the graduation of Porter all you want, but I will continue to say that it is a lot tougher than you're letting on to replace someone like him.  Sure, you still trot out five guys to match up with the other teams, but those five are nowhere near as strong as the ones you had last year.

You mentioned that CNU was still strong after Antoine Sinclair graduated.  Boy, did you ever pick a poor example to make your point!  After Sinclair graduated we still had Jermaine Woods (1327 pts, 17.2 pts/gm career), Carlos Heard (1242 pts, 14.4 pts/gm career), and Terry Gray (1201 pts, 11.6 pts/gm, 7.7 reb/gm, 2.9 blks/gm career).  And we had these guys for two years after Sinclair graduated.  These guys were fixtures on the All-Conf team, and it was after we lost THESE guys that CNU's dominance ended.

This brings up another interesting question; has there ever been another USASAC/Dixie team that had FOUR 1000 point career scorers on it at the same time?  We had all the guys mentioned above on our team in 00/01, AND Albert Haskins at the point (#4 all-time in assists at CNU). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:23:06 AM
Quote from: captj on December 07, 2005, 04:34:29 PM
ISoar –

I believe that the Monarch's problem to date has been (and I've been arguing with narch about this all season) that they're having a hard time adjusting to the graduation of their best player.  But... the season is still young and I think that they WILL adjust, as long as they don't let the early-season bruises (losses) get them down.  Conference games are still a long way off, and for all of the USASAC teams this year, THAT is when the season begins.


hops -

If you read my post more carefully, you'll see that I never said that losing Porter would be the "downfall" of the Monarchs.  I picked them to win conference this year.  Let's just let it drop.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 08, 2005, 09:30:42 AM
If I slighted the great state of Wisconsin in anyway I apologize!   After all, WI provided my sister with a great spouse!  And to boot, he was a UW grad.  But I think Isoar was referring to Bo Ryan....the head coach at D1 Wisconsin.   

And I do have to agree with Isoar....lol....we are argueing about the same thing.  I found it interesting that a good friend of mine dropped me an email after attending the Duke – Penn game last night.  It was a Xmas present from his wife's employer.  He said it had been years since he had attended a college game and the thing that surprised him the most was how big the athletes were and how physical the game was.  We were laughing, because back in the day weight lifting for basketball players was taboo!  Man, has that ever changed....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:36:44 AM
Quote from: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 03:40:41 PM
I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.


Ferrum has them next tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:39:02 AM
Quote from: captj on December 08, 2005, 09:36:44 AM
Quote from: ISoar on December 07, 2005, 03:40:41 PM
I'm nominating So Va as the USA South groupie.  They get around like a hackysack at a greenpeace rally.


Ferrum has them next tomorrow night.

Dang!  Now I'm losing track of what day it is.  Ferrum has them TONIGHT.  I'll need that calendar back, 85.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on December 08, 2005, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: ballgame on December 07, 2005, 09:11:03 PM
How many national championships has Wisconsin won?  And who was the last big ten champ to win a NC?  Thanks, but I'll take UNC and Duke where they play D with there feet and all out pressure.....now that's physical basketball  :D

Wisconsin won their only NC in 1941.  However, Wisconsin is a bad example of Big Ten basketball and physical play as their basketball program does not have a great  history and has only recently been rejuvinated under Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan in recent years. 

The last Big Ten NC was Michigan State in 2000 (oddly enough, Wisconsin was also in the final four that year and lost to MSU is the National semi-finals).  The Big Ten has sent 6 teams to the final four since 2000 (ACC has sent 7).

And to add to Ralph's comments on Wisconsin D3 basketball....Wisconsin schools have won 8 of the last 21 national championships (including the last two).

I agree that Duke and UNC play superior college basketball to anyone else.  But, to say physical basketball is not successful at any level is just plain wrong.

By the way-  what's up with the WIS references on the USA South Board?  Keep it up!
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 12:16:20 PM
Quote from: hoopshops on December 07, 2005, 06:24:31 PM
What is Karma for and, is it good or bad to have?

Watch the new sitcom called "Earl".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 08, 2005, 12:23:49 PM
Leroy,
But, to say physical basketball is not successful at any level is just plain wrong.


Don't recall anyone here saying physical play was not successful....at any level.  I even admitted that my choice of "word" was wrong....I was complaining about some of the "rough" play, inconsistencies in officiating and the refs failure to control the game in a couple of USA South games I had observed.  

To me basketball is one of the most physical sports running....even more so today because the athletes are bigger, stronger and faster.....on a court that is still 94 X 50.  

CNU runs a version (I think) of the flex offense....series of picks and rubs....so it's going to be physical...also, they run what appears to be the "shell" defense.....same thing....gets a little crowded in the post and is tough to penetrate.  

I think that is what Bo does at WI...a lot of picks.....and some doggone good belly up defense.

Now how in the world did you "Badgers" get over here ;D!  No wonder it's so cold in VA!  Maybe I should start talking about Florida!

 


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 08, 2005, 12:34:06 PM
captj- LOL I love that show!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: bspears on December 07, 2005, 05:58:15 PM
(Everyone) if we had to pick an all time first, second (and third) team who would the players be!?!?!

First of all; if it were up to the posters on this board to nominate them there would only be players from three teams on it.  I'm sure not going to scrutinize Averett's archives (if they exist) in order to get someone from their team on it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 12:42:30 PM
We could probably pick an all-time, all-CNU/Shenandoah/Methodist team and get NNASID to mediate since the Builders have probably played each team at some point in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 01:32:01 PM
Well CaptJ (thanks for the attention) I nominate (from SU);

Phil Dixon (1992-1996) - he is pretty much guaranteed a slot on first team.
Al White (1992-1996) - R.I.P.
Billy Blake (1993-1998)
Cameron Jones (1995-1999)
Ronald Merriwether (1998-2002)

Let the arguments begin ;D!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 01:52:54 PM
Also I would be a fool not to nominate this Mario Pritchett cat who in 84 games scored 1463 points (3rd all time leading scorer at SU).  I just never personally saw him play, then again being an "ex young buck" I only saw Jones and Merriwether play (in games).  But of course I have heard all of the marvelous tales of Dixon (saw the jersey, record books etc.).  I saw Dixon play at an alumni game during my scholastic tenure at SU and man...that dude is good (great)!  I have been personally ALMOST dunked on by Blake & Jones (I moved); shook by White and for all of those who know...embarrassed (on the court) my whole life by Merriwether.

P.S. Rhone is a "young buck", but 973 points in two seasons is pretty good. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 08, 2005, 02:15:24 PM
I nominate from CNU:

Lamont Strothers
Antoine Sinclair
Ted Barry
Steve Artis
Terry Gray
James Boykins

Perhaps
Jermaine Woods
Carlos Heard
Brandon Jones
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 08, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
Yawnnnnn......Wheww, seems like I sleep a little longer every year. Much like those who sleep on the Hornets but I'll get to that later. Its a new year and I better start things off on a good foot. Still no love lost for CNU so yes you'll probably be the first on the sarcasm scale. BUT, I also owe NCW some sarcasm shouts so maybe this year won't be as bad as last. But then again, it could. ;D . But onto the subject at hand, All time All American squad from SU....hmm, I'll agree with Spears...

1. J. Dixon
2. A. White
3. R. Merriwether
4. B. Blake
5. C. Jones  (Maybe)

With Ted. "Nice" Davis as a runner up.
Him and Merriwether together were sick.

OH and Spears if we went on a scale of who continuously shook you or dunked on you we'd have to add a few more to the list. I remember 1 occassion where Brashears hit you with a lazy crossover followed by a 3 ball all in your face. And another occassion where Camp caught a Oop on you, that oop WAS tossed by Merriwether though, so I guess I'll cut you some slack. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. If I had to list all the people who crossed Spears up, it be something like....and I'll use nicknames so you know who I'm talkin about. Plus it'll save you some humility.  ;)

And the list as of now....
Tig. (RIP-missed but never forgotten), C-Rock (numerous times), Shelton, Brashears (he shook you so bad you wanted to fight), Swerv.*, Bonzi, Jenks, FOOTS*, Bad News got you a couple times, Bates, MO* (always caught you sleeping in the paint), Mighty Mouse T squared (sometimes when he wasn't trying to), CORBIN (YES I said CORBIN), JRock, Chico.....the list goes on and on. Its ok though, because in most cases you weren't the only one to get shook, J'd up or Dunked on.

See, no-ones safe!!! I cut on my own people, but they know its all love because in the end we're all up for winning the USA South and beating up on CNU, MC, and NCW.

SU is 5-2. Start strong finish strong. GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 08, 2005, 03:19:10 PM
isoar would advocate physical play...that was his game :)

captj - maybe you're right about adjusting to the loss of porter, and i never said there wouldn't be an adjustment period...but, i still believe that when this team DOES make that adjustment, they COULD be better than last year - returning veteran players HAVE to step up, though, and right now that's not happening - they won't make those adjustments if the veterans and leaders don't start playing better - hops makes a great point...the monarchs always start slow - it (the record) could get worse before it gets better, though, with 2 tough naia games and games remaining against vwc and m'ville, not to mention a piedmont team which will be VERY well prepared for the monarchs

i don't think there are any men's "25 year" teams, since those teams are being selected to commemorate 25 years of WOMEN'S sports in the usasac/diac, but if there were a 25 year men's hoops team being selected, i would nominate just two...montrell mcnair and jason childers - mcnair was a BEAST on both ends and childers was an all-america on a 22-8 team (mcnair was a frosh starting on that team) - d. byrd would be on the bubble, for me, and i'd probably nominate him knowing that he might not make the cut - if we went beyond 25 years, jim darden would be added to that list - i personally know him, and i wouldn't be shocked if he could STILL put up double digits, and he's well into his 50's - that man is in great condition and i'll bet he could ball back in the day - he averaged a double-double for his career (18.3 ppg and 13.4 rpg) and is the mc career rebounding leader (1206) and 4th in career points (1644) along with getting graduate degrees at both duke and nc state

ballgame - wisconsin runs the "swing" offense...not sure how similar it is to the "flex" - it may, in fact, be the same thing, but wisc calls it the "swing"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 03:33:35 PM
OH MY!!!  My own homeboy is trying to get at me (well did)!  Blockhead, EVERYONE who played in our pick up games basically got SHOOK, J'D, HURT by EACH OTHER.  But I repeat I NEVER repeat NEVER been dunked on.  For one, I would always move if the threat was near.  Y'all can call me a punk, but when you are one of the shortest cats out there (under 6 ft), I am no HERO!  I guess you have the Rob Harris syndrome (lol), think I am a helpless well...pop singer on the court and was shocked every time I made a basket.  You are still my man though, Shotblocker & I just go back y'all.  I can think of a time where I got half the people on your list and even your tall a**, Motumbo.  I recall you specifically ordering me not to bring my (edited) in the lane again AFTER I made the basket.  Fellow posters, we just have (had) this thing at SU, if you weren't on the team, you got NO PROPS or unless you played football.  Dean's List students like myself got a prop once a year.   At least I can make better CDs then you and I still averaged more points (in high school).  But let it be known, I RULE BETHESDA/CHEVY CHASE COURTS and if you ever put Corbin, shook and me in the same sentence again, you are playing with our FRIENDSHIP.  Holla at me sometime!


     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 08, 2005, 03:43:58 PM
ballgame,

I was just restating that basketball is a physical game.  ;)
enough said


CaptJ,

I was just being sarcastic I know MC will be around at the end of year. True, CNU had Gray, Heard and Woods but, Sinclair was the man same as Porter was for MC. Gray, Woods, and Heard were not asked to produce as much when Sinclair was there. They stepped up and took their game to another level especially Gray and Woods. MC must have that to. Sure there will be some bumps in the road but, they have capable player such as CNU did in the past.  Thomas, Grant & Co must step up for MC as well just like Gray, Woods and Heard did for CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 08, 2005, 03:47:29 PM
Narch,

My nominations would be the following.


Jason Childers
Montrell McNair
Tyrone Bennett
Sam Porter

Gets cloudy after those to but maybe Demarkus Byrd, Eric Rhew, and a outside chance of Arthur Hatch? as well
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 03:58:15 PM
Come on guys... go to the record books and dig up some stats so that we can compare these guys.  I'm sure NONE of us have personally seen enough of them to form an opinion without stats.  My nominations for the 25-Year All-Dixie/USASAC Team -

Lamont Strothers (87-91) –  For his four year career; 2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm); NEVER held below 10 points in a game in his entire 116 game career!!!!

Steve Artis (89-93) – For his four year career; 1977 pts (17.7/gm), 909 assts (8.1/gm), 323 stls (2.9/gm)

James Boykins (89-93) – For his four year career; 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Antoine Sinclair (97-01) – For his four year career; 1736 pts (15.5/gm), 1031 reb (9.2/gm), 181 blks (1.6/gm), 136 stls (1.2/gm)

Buck Moore (83-86) – For his three year career; 1677 pts (20.0/gm), 584 reb (7.0/gm)

Ted Berry (91-94) - For his three year career; 1352 pts (20.8/gm); and, specifically, for what was the most prolific single-season scoring performance in CNU history, the 93-94 season when he scored 737 pts (an astounding 27.3/game)

Carl Haynes (84-88) - For his four year career; 1276 pts (12.8/gm), 878 reb (8.8/gm), 196 blks (2.0/gm)

Terry Gray (99-03) – For his four year career; 1201 pts (11.5/gm), 797 reb (7.7/gm), 300 blks (2.9/gm), 158 stls (1.5/gm)

Terry Thomas (92-96) – For his four year career; 1128 pts (10.0/gm), 905 reb (8.0/gm), 271 blks (2.4/gm)

Andre Bolton (92-96) - For his four year career; 737 assts (6.8/gm), 210 stls (1.9/gm); and, specifically, for what was the most prolific single-season assist performance in CNU history, the 95-96 season when he found the open man 289 times (9.6 assts/game).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 04:16:01 PM
Quote from: hoopshops on December 08, 2005, 03:43:58 PM

Sinclair was the man same as Porter was for MC.

I was a huge Sam Porter fan, but there's no way he compares to Antoine Sinclair.  2-time All-conf is not the same as 2-time All-Amer (1st team, 2nd team).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 04:33:10 PM
(**, *) Phil Dixon - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm).  ARGUABLY one of (if not the) the greatest DIXIE/USA SOUTH players of all time.

(** - HM) Al White - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

William "Billy" Blake - 1346 pts (13.6/gm), 522 rebounds (5.3/gm) & 37 blocks (.37/gm) 

Mario Pritchett - 1463 pts (17.4/gm), 184 assists (2.2/gm) & 117 steals (1.4/gm)

Cameron Jones - 1125 pts (11.4/gm), 579 rebounds (5.8/gm) & 64 blocks (.6/gm)

(*) Ronald Merriwether - 1319 pts (13.2/gm), 552 rebounds (5.5/gm) & 179 steals (1.8/gm)

** All American
* Dixie Player of the Year

I have to also give recognition to HELMEN, DAVIS & THOMPSON.

We all know stats can be misleading because presence outweighs stats.  I don't want to make any alumni enemies, but I always felt at SU, only one person was allowed to shine at one time (at least after I came to SU in '98).  My fellow Hornet in the earlier post brought up Davis & Merriwether "were sick together", if they were "allowed" to shine together, they would have been truly SICK together and in the conference.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 08, 2005, 04:44:54 PM
Quote from: captj on December 08, 2005, 12:42:30 PM
We could probably pick an all-time, all-CNU/Shenandoah/Methodist team and get NNASID to mediate since the Builders have probably played each team at some point in the past.

or having seen a good chunk of potential players in my past role (Ass't SID at CNU) :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 08, 2005, 04:54:15 PM
Capt J,

I've seen both Porter & Sinclair and I know Sinclair is a better overall player. All I'm saying is that when any team loses their star player and team leader someone must fill the void and step up in order for the team to continue on the path that were on before.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 05:12:39 PM
I hear you, hops.  It was just too tempting for me to pass that one up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 05:14:12 PM
You can't argue with 2297 points.  If Dixon (SU) put up those numbers he should definitely be 1st team.  With 8.6 assts/gm I assume he also played the point.  Is that right?  If so, does that push my guy Steve Artis down to 2nd team?  It would be a shame for 1977 points not to get you on the 1st team, but there's only room for one point guard.

Dixon's numbers are good, but he's no Lamont Strothers, who was the only D3 drafted into the NBA (at that time; maybe it's been done since).  Strothers has to be our 1st team two-guard.

I also want my guy James Boykins on 1st team in the post (1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm).  Career double-double and a huge defender.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 08, 2005, 05:21:41 PM
Captj,

I see you are using my calender!! Actually, I think it has to do with the metric system or something like that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
I think you're right, 85.  See you at the game on Tuesday. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:18:16 PM
bspears –

I'm with you on Al White (92-96).  He's all over the SU record books.  20 points and 9 rebounds for a career is extremely impressive, and there aren't many teams that can trot out 2000 point career players.



I'll introduce our 1st team roster (to date).  If you have a nomination to replace someone on this team, tell us who and why.

Phil Dixon (SU) - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm)

Lamont Strothers (CNU) -   2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm)

Al White (SU) - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

James Boykins (CNU) – 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Ted Berry (CNU) - 1352 pts over 3 years (20.8/gm); holds the USASAC/Dixie record for a single season scoring average (27.3/game)

Come on narch, your guys are being ignored. 


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:23:29 PM
Bspears – I noticed the "RIP" next to Al White in your post.  The CNU family lost James Boykins a few years ago.  How tragic is it that two on our all-time team are no longer with us?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 08, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
Yes, it truly is ashame that we (Dixie/USA SOUTH) lost two good people way too soon.  I am not going to try and act like I knew Al personally, but I remember when I was a freshman knucklehead at open gym, he always spoke and seemed like a real cool person. 

All that aside, I would give Al a spot on 2nd team.  SU simply hasn't been dominant enough in the conference to have two people on first team.  Dixon definitely deserves a spot on first team as well as Strothers (DAMN!) & Boykins just by their stats.

R.I.P. White, Boykins & Tigney and anyone else we have lost in our conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:49:44 PM
bspears - If we get some activity on this board we'll get everyone to their appropriate team.

OK, I'm going to bump one of my own guys.  Since the Panthers are unrepresented on this board, I just went to the Ferrum website.  Everett Foxx averaged 27.0 per game the same year that my guy Ted Berry averaged 27.3, PLUS; he did it over a 4-year career for 2112 points.  The 1st team is now –

Phil Dixon (SU) - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm)

Lamont Strothers (CNU) -   2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm)

Al White (SU) - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

James Boykins (CNU) – 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Everett Foxx (Ferrum) – 2112 career pts, 128 career blcks, 183 career stls



Ted Berry (CNU) to 2nd team

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:54:01 PM
Quote from: bspears on December 08, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
he always spoke and seemed like a real cool person

I've noticed that, in life, people who are extraordinary in a couple of ways are usually extraordinary in MANY ways. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 08, 2005, 07:14:45 PM
Do we want to put Marquis McDougald (NCW) on one of our teams?  He scored 1710 points in 3 years, but I don't see him anywhere else in their record books. 

That's all of the other "unrepresented" teams that I'm going to research.  The Mrs. is calling me for dinner, and besides, the double vodka marrtinni I hd urlier is waring off. 

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 09, 2005, 04:52:46 PM
Martini?  Yikes!!!! Giving us CNU public school folks a bad name....

Cold Beer - any plenty of it...

here's to you Mr. Grocery store produce puter upper!! Real men of genius!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on December 10, 2005, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: narch on December 08, 2005, 03:19:10 PM
ballgame - wisconsin runs the "swing" offense...not sure how similar it is to the "flex" - it may, in fact, be the same thing, but wisc calls it the "swing"
Actually, the Swing is very different from the Flex.  The Flex (which most people know) is a screening offense.  Bob Knight re-popularized motion offense with screens and Dick Bennet made a blocker-mover screen popular.  That is probably what you are thinking about when you refer to "northern" offenses which rely mainly on screens.

The "Swing" (which Bo Ryan runs) is a offense that focuses on cuts, spacing, and reversing the ball.  In the swing, there is alot of movement from wing to wing (off screens of course).  It also provides the ability for all five players to be in a "true" motion.  Meaning that any player (1-5) will have post up and perimiter drive opportunities.  Wisconsin offen post ups gaurds (Think Devin Harris) to take advantage of match up problems.

In the swing, you really don't make the "flex" cuts (perimeter back screen and elbow to block screen) which define the flex.  The swing is a much more "modern offense" which has far less screening, allows for more isolation and post up opportunities.

Other than the fact that they are both 5 man motion offenses, the similarities may stop there.

BTW- Argentina used the flex when they gave Team USA it's first ever loss in international play.  It was amazing to see the NBA'ers baffled by the flex and it's diffent options.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 11, 2005, 07:06:50 PM
What a pity that the only post to our board over the last 36 hours is from a JV poster from outside of our conference schooling one of our members on the intricacies of the game.  Where is everyone? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 11, 2005, 11:58:27 PM
If you want the board to be alive, just say something bad about wisconsin...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 01:22:30 PM
captj - we could always argue private vs. public  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 01:49:56 PM
pat - interesting to see your alma mater pulling out of the cac (d3hoops.com front page article..."new conference formed")...also interesting to see su listed as a POSSIBLE addition to a re-configured cac (along with wesley, villa julie, frostburg and hood)...is this conjecture or fact?

not that i'm wishing them away, but i wonder if cnu has considered joining a conference that already includes 3 highly regarded public schools (mary wash, salisbury and saint mary's of md) as well as a private that acts public from a pricing standpoint (york) - even if frostburg and wesley were to join along with cnu or su, there would only be 5 football playing schools, but if both joined, they'd have 6...isn't that the magic number for an aq in football? does the provision mentioned in the article which might give a window for re-alignment without losing aq status apply for football, as well? would a re-configured cac be able to get an aq in football if they had enough members?

i hope that the usasac leadership has thought and is thinking about all of these possible scenarios and has contingency plans in case su and/or cnu were to leave
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 02:09:35 PM
I thought it was seven for an AQ in any sport?? I know women's lax is adding a seventh team this year, NCW, and that gives then an AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 12, 2005, 02:29:40 PM
narch –

Welcome back, buddy.  I was beginning to think that we'd lost you. 

I know that you're not "wishing us away", but I do know that there have been others from this board (and football) that do wish that CNU would do just that... go to some other conference.  Every time I read that I am just amazed.  To me it smacks of wanting the pond to be a little smaller so that the remaining fishes would be a little bigger.  CNU has been, and I don't think that anyone will argue this, hugely successful in the USASAC / Dixie for a very long time, in all sports.  We have vastly improved the reputation of the conference as a whole.  Over on the football board there has been considerable talk about CNU's success causing everyone else in the conference to raise their own games a little bit (at least).  So I just can't understand why anyone would want us to leave the conference.  And don't tell me it is just a public / private school thing either.  D3 contains both.  Should ALL of the public schools form one Division and all of the private schools form another?  D3A and D3AA?  I don't think anyone wants that.  The reality is that, were CNU to leave the conference, the remaining conference would be greatly diminished in the eyes of just about the entire college athletic community.  But, I guess if one wanted to be a big fish in a little pond....

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: captj on December 12, 2005, 02:29:40 PM
narch –
I was beginning to think that we'd lost you. 
REALLY busy week or so...things should settle down for a daily post or 2, depending on what's being discussed

i totally agree with the rest of your statements, particularly about the perception of the conference were cnu to leave (even though the monarchs would CLEARLY become said "big fish") - the lady monarchs golf team wins a national championship EVERY year, and, sadly, it's just not that exciting anymore - if cnu left the usasac, there would be little competition left for the monarchs, and therefore, little excitement :)

i don't think it's LIKELY, but i could SEE where a re-configured cac might be attractive to cnu - umw, salisbury and saint mary's have OUTSTANDING academic reputations, as do the current members of the cac that are staying put...wesley and frostburg wouldn't necessarily help the academic reputation, but honestly, they aren't any worse than most of the usasac schools

goose - i think you're correct on 7 vs. 6
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 03:35:25 PM
I still dont think there would be enough schools for AQ status in every conference tho. Altho, I havent had a chance to break down each school and the sports they sponsor. I dont think there would be an AQ in football, Salisbury, CNU, Frostburg, Wesley would be the only ones.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: leroy on December 10, 2005, 10:53:12 AM

BTW- Argentina used the flex when they gave Team USA it's first ever loss in international play.  It was amazing to see the NBA'ers baffled by the flex and it's diffent options.

I thought the Russsians (oops Soviets)  beat us (with the help of a clock operator) in 1972!!

Damn - I'm so old I remember that game!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 03:58:57 PM
Captj,

Is theer a game tonight....???? What time????

  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 12, 2005, 04:46:36 PM
you guys get ready, b/c maryville is sending a team to Averrett this weekend and it is not our football thank goodness, we are about to show the usasouth how the gsac rolls
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 04:53:51 PM
cnu85-
    I think the game starts at 530 tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 12, 2005, 04:54:37 PM
I hope that game is 730 tonight..or you might be missing  a shot clock guy
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 12, 2005, 05:02:11 PM
shhhhhhhh we are messin with cnu85's head, and Im sure by now he's had several beers!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2005, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 12, 2005, 04:46:36 PM
you guys get ready, b/c maryville is sending a team to Averrett this weekend and it is not our football thank goodness, we are about to show the usasouth how the gsac rolls
mattgrubb - there aren't any averett posters here, but the monarchs already found out how m'ville rolls (pretty well, actually)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on December 12, 2005, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: leroy on December 10, 2005, 10:53:12 AM

BTW- Argentina used the flex when they gave Team USA it's first ever loss in international play.  It was amazing to see the NBA'ers baffled by the flex and it's diffent options.

I thought the Russsians (oops Soviets)  beat us (with the help of a clock operator) in 1972!!

Damn - I'm so old I remember that game!!

You are right.  What I should've said was first ever loss in international play since professionals were allowed to play (1992). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 03:58:57 PM
Captj,

Is theer a game tonight....???? What time????

  ;D

The game's tomorrow night, 85. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:13:36 PM
Hey, I just figured it out... narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).  He takes a sabbatical and everyone shuts down.  He has several e-mail addresses and used them all to create dozens of D3Hoops.com user names.  I'm convinced that hoopshops, bspears, CNU85, leroy, Isoar, Goose13, sushotblocker04, nnasid, hasanova, ballgame, NewportPlayer3, eddie, scottiedoug, and obnoxuioussufan ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON!  narch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 12, 2005, 08:09:09 PM
You figured me out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 09:39:45 PM
Captj - if I didn't know better I would have thought they were serving alcohol in the President's room!!

Did you know the short version of "Captj" is "CJ"?? (pun intended!!)

88-57...can't get too excited..it was Maryland Bible! But I liked Kraut's shots!! 2 treys at the end! CNU pulls away with the third team out there!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 08:33:47 AM
CNU President Paul Trible joins NCAA committee

I hope I'm doing this right.  I've never tried to post a link.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-37512sy0dec13,0,7460386.story?coll=dp-sports-local


If it doesn't work maybe you can cut and paste into your browser.

I'm curious what everyone thinks about this, specifically what it could mean for the USASAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 13, 2005, 09:17:24 AM
captj:

Congratulations to Dr. Tribble and the CNU community upon his election to the NCAA's President's Council, and thanks for the Link.  While reading it, I noticed that my alma mater Lincoln University (PA) Dr. Nelson will become President of the Council in January, 2006, succeeding Bridgewater College's Dr. Stone.

BTW Lincoln and CNU hook up in Myrtle Beach, SC on 12/20.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 09:30:26 AM
I think this quote from the article could be very meaningful -

"The schools ultimately vote (on legislation)," said Woollum, "but this group is most influential."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 13, 2005, 09:52:04 AM
If you havent visited the football board yet today, CNU's Justin Wood was named First Team All-American by the AFCA today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 13, 2005, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:13:36 PM
Hey, I just figured it out... narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).
CaptJ,

How did you know?  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: hoopshops on December 13, 2005, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:13:36 PM
Hey, I just figured it out... narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).
CaptJ,

How did you know?  :D

Like I said, he takes a few days off and the entire USASAC board comes to a screeching halt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:17:43 PM
Random thoughts on CNU / MdBible –

I'm not sure what to make of our game last night against MdBible.  The most important thing to remember when assessing the game is just that... it was against MdBible.  I wanted to think they would be a worthy opponent, and when I heard on the pre-game radio broadcast that they had beaten a Division 2 school I was encouraged.  But if this 8-player team beat a team of scholarship ballers, then those guys should give their scholarship money back.  They have one guy that is really good (Curry) and a couple of guys who are definitely athletic, but something is definitely missing (like enough players to even scrimmage 5-on-5 in practice).

I liked seeing Coleman start, but then he seemed less effective than he has in other games.  Maybe he is one of those guys that are most effective coming off the bench.

I still like Barton's game a lot, but I don't think he's back to 100% after his injury.  I like what Sean Branch did and I'd like to see him get more PT at the one. 

Selden has had to play a lot of minutes since he's the backup point guard.  The pass he made to the MdBible coach shows that he's definitely playing out of position at the one.  He's probably the toughest guy on our team, and he's as aggressive in the final minutes of a game as he is in the first, but I'd sure like to see his skills as a two utilized more and have Branch get some PT now. 

Lewis is starting to improve.  He had some good moves last night, as well as a nice shooting touch.

Speaking of moves, the spin move that Riley used down low to get a bucket in the second half left his defender completely flat-footed.  Very nice game from Riley!  6 of 8 for 13 in only 15 minutes.  Maybe he should get a chance in the starting lineup?

I like the improvement as a team from the free throw line (75%) and from long (53%).

I've said this before... opponents who leave Romeo open do so at their peril. 

Blasingame seemed inconsistent.  There were moments when he played well, but then he'd make a freshman mistake.  Better to make them now and learn, I guess.

CNU85 mentioned that our 3rd team pulled away from them at the end, but in my opinion sending out 5 fresh players at the end against their 8-player team was approaching cruel and unusual punishment.  They were whipped.  Of course our 3rd team of former high school superstars would pull away from them.  How would you have liked it (as a MdBible player) to see a 6-9 whirling dervish with great ball handling skills (McShephard) come in at that point of the game when you're already exhausted?  But, the only time our 3rd team is going to see PT is when we win big like this, so you've got to give them the chance.  I just wouldn't be too proud that they did so well against this team in particular. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 13, 2005, 12:18:28 PM
Hmmmmm....well, then....ball game last night; Capts had some pretty substantial rust showing in the first half from the exam layoff....10 turnovers.  They picked it up in the second half, only six TOs.   You could hear Coach Woolum urging folks to run their sets in the first, not so much in the second half.  Also spacing was much, much better in the second half.   Romeo had a couple of nice pull up jumpers....was good to see him score off of dribble penetration..... 
Looking at the next three games.  If the Caps go 3-1 that would, I think, be a HUGE success!

I'm really not ballgame or am I? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:21:54 PM
Hey NNASID, was that you behind the mic last night?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 13, 2005, 12:23:54 PM
I was there..but that wasnt me behind the PA...Left early..had things to finish off

I believe that gentleman does the PA for FB games...goose can correct me on that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:26:53 PM
I really liked the new guy, except that he forgot to play the National Anthem.  But if he's going to call our games he's going to have to buy an electric blue suit and break it out on special occasions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:27:40 PM
Quote from: ballgame on December 13, 2005, 12:18:28 PM
I'm really not ballgame or am I? 

I don't know... does narch have a 6-8 bouncing baby boy?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:38:02 PM
One thing that often gets overlooked in Romeo's game is his defense.  Because he can light up the scoreboard so well, we (me, at least) tend to overlook it.  Last night he was matched up against their best player for most of the game and did a really good job.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 13, 2005, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:13:36 PM
Hey, I just figured it out... narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me). 

Hate to disappoint you but contrary to popular opinion, no Narch is not everyone on this board. How's everyone doing in non conference play? I'm surprised someone...anyone from CNU hasn't listed game by game stats and scores. Anyone know how NCW looks this year? Anyone care? (Probably not). Since team records have yet to be posted, I'l take it upon myself.

CNU- 5-1 (Impressive, but 2 of those came against Southern Va., 1 in OT, and another is that MD Bible win that your currently talking about) Next game vs. Frostburg State shouldn't give yall problems. Unless yall committ 10 TO's again. Which apparently...is possible.

SU- 5-2 (THERE YOU GO Fellas, keep getting it done. Next stop MWC. I'll be there!! Oh and an interesting fact, this is the 3rd time in 4 weeks an SU player has been named conference player of the week. Hale, Onunaku, and Lawrence...GET EM!!)

AU- 5-3  Next up Newport News then Maryville TN.... This is just a hunch but I'm thinkin 2 straight loses for the cougars.

Now is when it starts to dwindle....

MC- 2-5 (I'm sure yall won't be there for long, but honestly, anyone care to comment on whats going on down there?) Spring Hill's up next... How will yall do indeed??

NCW- 2-5 (5 players who can't play together can't win! enough said) Hampden Sydney is next and we know how the ODAC hates losing to the USA South. OH yea they're 6-0 too. Virginia Weslyan beat NCW by 35, (then beat CNU), and lost to HS by 12. Hmm...Advantage HS.

GC- 2-3 Next up North Carolina- Greensboro...doesn't look good.

FC- 2-6 Next up Davis and Elkins, who they should beat as they already have, but hey, this is Ferrum we're talkin about. Oh and then they have to go play EMU.


So there it is, and after looking at it, I see why no-one has really commented on whats going on. But hey, maybe MY post will attract some attention. They usually do. Good luck to all in you upcoming 'games'. (could've said something along the lines of 'loses', but I'll hold my tounge)


Someone clue me in on pre-season rankings!!

GO HORNETS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 13, 2005, 02:00:39 PM
captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it.  And that was the PA guy from football. He seemed a little hesitant and nervous at times, like saying Korey Lewis was number 5 and not 45, among a couple other instances.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 13, 2005, 02:00:39 PM
And that was the PA guy from football. He seemed a little hesitant and nervous at times, like saying Korey Lewis was number 5 and not 45, among a couple other instances.

I can forgive nervousness his first time in the Freeman, and uncertainty over who's who since he's a newcomer, but I really liked his enthusiasm.

Now... the BIG question.  Does he get "the suit" with the job?

Seriously, is he a permanent replacement or just a fill-in?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 13, 2005, 02:24:32 PM
He is just a fill-in. Apparently, the man with the blue suit will working seven days a week for 10 hours a day at the oil refinery in Yorktown the exploded last month. So as you can see, he wont be doin much PA for the rest of the month. Dont know about January and February yet. There will one person I think doing the two women's games and I think Wayne Block will be doing Saturday's game if he's around.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 13, 2005, 02:41:06 PM
Hey now!! watch it! Me and the Blue Suit guy go way back....to the early 80's. But I did like the guy last night. I could understand what he was saying.

CNU better get its wins now..cuz once conference games start...ouch! It's gonna be painful. Remember last year we started 5-0 (I think I read that somewhere) and finished 18-8...meaning a 13-8 record...not too many back to back wins with that record. Saturday's game will tell more...but I think the preseason polls will not be too far off the mark.

Captj - I dunno about Lewis....he had too many turnovers early in the game and was tossing up bricks. He recovered, but I just don't see the Senior Leader like I was expecting. Selden seems to run the Tempo of the game, even when playing at the #2 sopt. He has impressed me with his leadership.

Dang - I better watch out my use of terms like leadership, teamwork, etc....some guy on the football board might read this and get excited and wet himself.....ooh rah!! (For you ABNRGR)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 02:47:33 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 13, 2005, 02:41:06 PM
Captj - I dunno about Lewis....he had too many turnovers early in the game and was tossing up bricks. He recovered, but I just don't see the Senior Leader like I was expecting.

I never said that he was playing at all-conf level, just that he was getting better.  And if you remember his first couple of games... :( :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 02:58:34 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 13, 2005, 02:41:06 PM
Captj - I dunno about Lewis....he had too many turnovers early in the game and was tossing up bricks. He recovered, but I just don't see the Senior Leader like I was expecting. Selden seems to run the Tempo of the game, even when playing at the #2 sopt. He has impressed me with his leadership.

85 –

It's funny that you mention Lewis and Selden in the same paragraph.  I commented to my cousin during the game last night that Lewis is 6-7 and Selden is 5-11, but each plays like he thinks he's the opposite.  But I do think that Lewis went to the glass stronger than he had in previous games.  He had a (near)dunk that was nice to see.  Speaking of which, McShephard seemed way too eager to get to the glass on that pass he took near the end of the game.  I wish he'd just collected the pass and then gone up and jammed it instead of trying to make it look like an alley oop (the pass was way too low for that). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 13, 2005, 03:04:20 PM
Well gents it WAS MdB, but again the team did have a pretty long layoff.   I definitely agree with Js assessment of Romeo's defense....dare I say the word "physical" here...again.   Jeremy and Adam both bellied up and got into Curry's wheel house!  He really lost his cool.  It will be an interesting couple of month's....there is, in my assessment, a lot of potential.  And I do have it on good account the players get along very well—and I believe the chemistry on the court will continue to improve.  It'll be interesting to see how the team reacts when the screws get put to them—that's coming pretty soon
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 13, 2005, 02:41:06 PM
Selden seems to run the Tempo of the game, even when playing at the #2 sopt. He has impressed me with his leadership.

For sure.  Selden is playing great, and his intensity is something that the entire team can learn from.  He's definitely the apparent leader (at least on the court) at this point in the season.   I've always been a huge fan of his game at the two guard position.  I just wish that he didn't have to play the point as Barton's backup.  But the great thing about him playing backup point guard is just that... he's the BACKUP.  I am so glad that Barton has proven capable of running the team so that Selden doesn't have to play the point on the first team and can concentrate on doing what he does best. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: ballgame on December 13, 2005, 03:04:20 PM
It will be an interesting couple of month's....there is, in my assessment, a lot of potential.  And I do have it on good account the players get along very well—and I believe the chemistry on the court will continue to improve.  It'll be interesting to see how the team reacts when the screws get put to them—that's coming pretty soon

I'm really glad to hear of harmony in the locker room.  I've suspected over the last decade or so that we've had some teams with real stars that have not fostered that type of concord.  If Romeo and Selden and the other seniors have been selfless in their positions on the team and have tried to develop the youngsters, they should be commended.  If anyone wants to read about how great programs accomplish this year in and year out, read the article "The Duke Way" in the College Basketball Preview issue of Sports Illustrated.  All World super-shooter J.J. Redick chauffeurs a freshman around campus in his 2001 Toyota Corolla, just part of Coach K's system of building team unity and developing relationships between veterans and newcomers. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 13, 2005, 03:35:42 PM
Quote from: captj on December 13, 2005, 12:27:40 PM
Quote from: ballgame on December 13, 2005, 12:18:28 PM
I'm really not ballgame or am I?  
I don't know... does narch have a 6-8 bouncing baby boy?
my bouncing baby boy is about 22" and around the 80% mark for a 10 week old....doubt he'll hit 6'8" though...maybe 6'1"...hope he doesn't have my athleticism, though or he'll be in serious trouble :)
Quote from: sushotblocker04 on December 13, 2005, 01:21:57 PM
MC- 2-5 (I'm sure yall won't be there for long, but honestly, anyone care to comment on whats going on down there?) Spring Hill's up next... How will yall do indeed??
losses to wooster, m'ville and app state are not bad losses...sure, i would have liked to see at least one win from those 3 games, but i can live with losses to 2 top 25 d3 teams and a d1 - the losses to sewanee and voorhees were not good losses, although voorhees is a scholarship program, and you can never discount the ability of an naia scholarship program to get good athletes - i thought the monarchs could legitimately be 5-2 at this point, but thought they would probably be 4-3 - mc needs to split this weekend in alabama...a 2-0 weekend would be HUGE and show the monarchs are legit (mobile is 8-2 and ranked in the naia div 1 top 20 and spring hill is a scholarship program)...0-2 would NOT be a good sign for monarch fans

here is my assesment of what is going poorly for the monarchs - thomas, grant and lee are not playing to their potential and this is a team in need of some veteran leadership, especially leadership by example

seth is rebounding well (7.4 rpg) and KILLING it from beyond the arc (46%), but he's only scoring 12.1 ppg...the monarchs need him to be scoring 15-17 ppg, in my opinion

grant is NOT shooting well (30% overall) and is turning the ball over too much (24 to's in 7 games)...does anyone REALLY believe that will continue though??...he's too good a player to be bad all season, and i'm confident he'll pull through a tough start

lee is in and out of the starting lineup and getting inconsistent minutes, thus playing inconsistently....i'm not sure if coach smith is trying to see what he has in young guys like mcdonald or what, but when robert lee plays well, the monarchs typically are that much more effective

here is what is going well - as a team the monarchs are very balanced

brandon williams is stepping up offensively, averaging 8.7 ppg and shooting a sublime 47% from 3 (not bad for a 6'4" post)...he's got to step up and help on the boards, though (3.6 rpg)

radmanovic is playing consistently - dragan has been the most consistent producer on the offensive end for the monarchs (10.7 ppg, 44% from the field and from 3) and he's rebounding (6.1 rpg)...i haven't seen the monarchs play yet, but dragan needs to step up defensively, as well - if he can provide some defensive intensity and continue to produce offensively and on the boards he could be huge for the monarchs

the frosh have shown promise - mcbryde and mcdonald have shown the ability to score (5.4 and 6.6 ppg in 10 and 17 mpg, respectively) and mcbryde has had some nice games on the boards, but they've got to develop fast...the monarchs will need them to contribute big minutes once conference season starts

overall, i'm not that concerned - i know what thomas and grant are capable of, and i know they will step into a leadership role - i know what i THINK radmanovic is capable of and i think he'll continue to grow into his potential this year - i really like the defensive intensity that lee brings, and i think when he gets consistent minutes, he'll reward the coaches by producing - i like the upside of williams, although he needs to get more intense rebounding the ball and i REALLY like the potential of mcbryde and mcdonald...those two could be special...that has the makings of a really good rotation, and when you add mcevoy and his shot blocking/altering ability along with moore who has shown flashes, the monarchs should be alright - right now i think the record is an indication of a difficult schedule and coach smith tinkering around a bit trying to find the right combination along with some inconsistent play from the vets
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:38:45 PM
Quote from: captj on December 08, 2005, 06:49:44 PM
bspears - If we get some activity on this board we'll get everyone to their appropriate team.

OK, I'm going to bump one of my own guys.  Since the Panthers are unrepresented on this board, I just went to the Ferrum website.  Everett Foxx averaged 27.0 per game the same year that my guy Ted Berry averaged 27.3, PLUS; he did it over a 4-year career for 2112 points.  The 1st team is now –

Phil Dixon (SU) - 2297 pts (22.3/gm), 216 steals (2.1/gm) & 103 assists (8.6/gm)

Lamont Strothers (CNU) -   2709 pts (23.4/gm), 717 reb (6.2/gm), 286 stls (2.5/gm), 225 assts (1.9/gm)

Al White (SU) - 2001 pts (19.6/gm), 898 rebounds (8.8/gm), 190 steals (1.9/gm) & 108 blocks (1.1/gm)

James Boykins (CNU) – 1847 pts (16.5/gm), 1193 reb (10.7/gm), 247 blk (2.2/gm), 197 stls (1.8/gm)

Everett Foxx (Ferrum) – 2112 career pts, 128 career blcks, 183 career stls



Ted Berry (CNU) to 2nd team



So, is this our final team?  Anyone wnt to complete the 2nd team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 03:46:59 PM
Quote from: narch on December 13, 2005, 03:35:42 PM
i think the record is an indication of a difficult schedule

Holy crud... that's an understatement.  I hear that Michigan State has an opening on their schedule next year.  Maybe the Monarchs want to play them?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on December 13, 2005, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: sushotblocker04 on December 13, 2005, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: captj on December 12, 2005, 06:13:36 PM
Hey, I just figured it out... narch is actually ALL of the posters on this board (except me).

...

MC- 2-5 (I'm sure yall won't be there for long, but honestly, anyone care to comment on whats going on down there?) Spring Hill's up next... How will yall do indeed??




I haven't seen MC as much as I wanted to this year but, I have a feeling the problem might be inconsistency especially in the post. MC has went with several different lineups this year so I figure the coaching staff is trying to see who has the best chemistry together. I also, think the reason why Thomas, Grant, and Lee aren't shooting at a higher percentage is because there is no consistent post threat. Dragan is playing well but, I'm sure he isn't scoring on the block and causing double teams. Williams and Moore have played well but it hasn't been consistent. McByrde has also played well but he isn't physically strong enough yet. Therefore teams keep a lot of pressure on Grant, Lee, and Thomas because no one has been consistent in the post. They got open looks in the past because guys like Standley, Porter, Brown, and Hatch were a presence in the post. Without that presence on the block it is hard for them to score since they are not the best off the dribble scorers. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 13, 2005, 05:01:25 PM
This board is great I enjoy reading about teams in the USA South. I do have a couple of opinions. 1st Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team.  They led MC to the elite 8 and Jason was an all-american.  Montrell put up huge numbers and was as good as anybody at the 2-3 spot.  I think one of them should be in over White from Shanandoah. He scored alot, but didn't play any D. Go Monarchs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
A newbie.

Numbers, 96.  Prove to us your guys are deserving.  We're not going to just take the word of a JV poster on his first shot at the board (BRICK).

Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 13, 2005, 02:00:39 PM
captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it. 

Come on, with the millions we've spent on the spanking new performing arts center and our shiny new marching band, you'd think we could find SOMEONE who could either carry a tune behind a mic or on a trumpet!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 07:17:56 PM
Quote from: captj on December 13, 2005, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 13, 2005, 02:00:39 PM
captj-
    That was a snafu between the track meets from this weekend and others not checking to make sure the CD was back in the music trunk. They planned on doing the national anthem like every other game, but since there was no CD and no pep band, we know Coach Waters wasnt going to sing it, so they bagged it. 

Come on, with the millions we've spent on the spanking new performing arts center and our shiny new marching band, you'd think we could find SOMEONE who could either carry a tune behind a mic or on a trumpet!

I hear you have a pretty good voice, Goose.  You and FT could have done an a capella rendition that I'm sure would have been very moving.  Do you think 99.1 would have renewed our contract for next year had that occurred?  You blew it, dude.  Your chance at stardom and you remained on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 13, 2005, 07:55:23 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on December 13, 2005, 05:01:25 PM
Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team. 

Jason Childress!?  Come on, 96!  Since you've offered nothing in substantiating evidence, I went to the Monarch website myself.  He's NOWHERE in the Monarch record books.  NOWHERE.  And you know what?  I've been going to USASAC games for a very long time and I DON'T REMEMBER HIM.  Now, I'll admit that this may be greatly influenced by my failing memory, and I'm sure he was a very good player for him to have made such an impression on you, but I can't imagine him even making the All-Methodist team, much less the All-Dixie/USASAC team.

McNair is another story.  I see that he put up 1739 points for his career, very impressive.  But he's nowhere else in the Methodist record book, at least on the website (which is all that I have to go on).  So, that means that, for a career, he had less than 530 rebs, less than 214 assts, less than 138 stls, and less than 45 blcks.  And it may have been far less than these numbers because these are the lowest values in the record books on the website.  And you want to put him in instead of Al White (SU), who had 2001 pts, 898 rebs, 190 stls & 108 blks?!  I'm sorry... he makes 4th team, at best.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 13, 2005, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: captj on December 13, 2005, 06:20:00 PMWe're not going to just take the word of a JV poster on his first shot at the board (BRICK).
not sure that was a brick...but it might have rimmed out - childers career numbers aren't unbelievable, but he DID have a magical season as a senior...1st team all-american...i think childers finished his career with around 1200 points...captj - if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him...he was the best player on a monarch team that went to the elite 8 and was the first team to go undefeated in usasac play - mcnair was a flat-out stud and a frosh on that team - he's the best 2 i've seen in the diac/usasac, period (keep in mind, my history dates back to the 96-97 season)...he could dominate scoring the ball (driving, pull-up j's...didn't matter), but was a complete player on both ends and played well within the team framework - he is mc's all-time leading scorer with 1739 points (17.9 ppg average, 4th all-time at mc) and is also the monarchs all-time 3 point shooter with 246 - the mc website doesn't go beyond the top 5 in steals, but i'll bet he's not far outside of the top 5 in that category - anyone who saw mcnair play on a regular basis can't argue his inclusion in the discussion of top diac/usasac players, but his raw numbers don't necessarily compare with those of the players that captj has named to the first team and he played on a few monarch teams that were just average

as an aside, i think the 96-97 team, which finished 22-8, was 0-7 before the break...just a thought for those lamenting the monarch's current record :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 08:59:08 AM
Quote from: narch on December 13, 2005, 08:25:05 PM
if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him...he was the best player on a monarch team that went to the elite 8 and was the first team to go undefeated in usasac play

You must not be counting Dixie days then.  CNU went 10-0 in conference in 90-91.  We also went 12-0 the year after your guys did it in that glorious 26-2 season in 97-98.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: narch on December 13, 2005, 08:25:05 PM
childers career numbers aren't unbelievable, but he DID have a magical season as a senior...1st team all-american...i think childers finished his career with around 1200 points...captj - if you had seen him play in 96-97, you would CLEARLY remember him

Admittedly, I did not follow all of the teams in the conference back in the days before we had "the internets" (G. W. Bushism), so in 96-97 I probably just knew that a really good player was on the Monarch team (if that), and who knows what he did in Newport News that year.  I might not have even made that particular game since I was not a season ticket holder.  Childress definitely had "a magical season", but when you are putting together an All-time conference team (in my humble opinion) you can't overlook guys that had outstanding four-year careers and go with one-year shooting stars.  That's why I took my guy Ted Berry out of the first team, even though he had a great 3-year career.  Berry had a season much like your guy; maybe better.  27.3 points per game is the conference record.  He was also NCAA All-American (second team), and since we don't know who the swing player was that beat him out for the 1st team we can't really say that he wasn't as good as Childress just because he didn't make 1st team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 09:23:18 AM
I dont like to get ahead of myself, but damn, Lincoln's Kyle Myrick scares the bejesus out of me. He's averaging 32 a game and scored 42 in a loss to Wilkes the other night. I think Im having flashbacks from 00-01, cant be Horace Jenkins again can it!! Apparently this Myrick kid is a horse. 6-1 guard who also has dished out 40 + assists (but has turned it over 41 times). Im looking forward to see this kid play, and apparently there are many pro (NBA) scouts looking at him for next year's draft.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 09:26:55 AM
Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2005, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: captj on December 14, 2005, 08:59:08 AMYou must not be counting Dixie days then.  CNU went 10-0 in conference in 90-91.  We also went 12-0 the year after your guys did it in that glorious 26-2 season in 97-98.
j - thanks for doing some fact checking for me...mc was the first team to go 12-0 in the diac
Quote from: captj on December 14, 2005, 09:15:56 AMChildress definitely had "a magical season", but when you are putting together an All-time conference team (in my humble opinion) you can't overlook guys that had outstanding four-year careers and go with one-year shooting stars.
we agree, which is why i never pushed childers (not childress) as a first team, all-time diac/usasac player and it's also why i said that monarch96's shot was one that "rimmed out" rather than being a complete "brick"

if we were simply talking about single seasons, i doubt ANY diac/usasac player has EVER had a season like the one clinton montford had in '88-'89 when he scored 593 points (22.0 ppg) and grabbed 459 rebounds (17.0 rpg), but he only had a 2 year career at mc (not sure if he transferred in or out)

if we want to go beyond 25 years and compile an ALL-TIME diac/usasac team, jim darden CLEARLY belongs on that list - 1644 points (18.3 ppg) and 1206 rebounds (13.4 rpg)

goose - i join you in congratulating ncwc for a nice win at fleet - the monarchs broke the fleet mystique last year and it's always tough to get a win in that environment
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 10:53:10 AM
hey narch, they didnt win, if you read my post a lil closer, it says Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 14, 2005, 09:23:18 AM
cant be Horace Jenkins again can it!!

I hate that guy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 11:37:03 AM
What die hard CNU fan doesnt?? Or should we hate Jermaine Woods just as much for dropping that inbounds pass and having it go out of bounds?? Im still not sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 11:43:14 AM
Goose:

I don't know who Horace Jenkins is, but Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI.  Myricks was honorable mention All American last year, and has a motor that won't quit.  Last year Lincoln relied on Jarrett Kearse and Myricks for scoring.  This year Myricks has a pretty good supporting cast.  I hope Lions conditioning pays oof during this 4 day run in two locations.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 14, 2005, 12:12:23 PM
You dont want to know who Horace Jenkins was!! He was on the Pistons roster last year, actually. But I have heard that Myrick has a good supporting cast and he's able to make those around him better. Should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2005, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 14, 2005, 10:53:10 AM
hey narch, they didnt win, if you read my post a lil closer, it says Kudos to NCW for going to the Fleet Center and almost coming away with a win. 69-64 was the final. The Bishops shot 45% from the field but missed six free throws while holding the Tigers to 37% shooting. Great effort on the road. The Bishops LED at the HALF BY 8 POINTS TOO!!!
DOH!!! reading comprehension classes are in order for me :)

nevermind...close loses on the road don't get you any love in my eyes :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 02:10:43 PM
Goose:

Had a brain freeze!!!!!!!!!!, That  Horace Jenkins lol......Now I know  ;D.  I hope Myrick plays well enough for Lincoln that translates into wins and at the same time gives him "Pub" in his goals to make it to the NBA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 14, 2005, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 11:43:14 AM
Goose:

Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI. 


umm...then why is he playing d3 ball? AI could play d3 ball as a junior in HS...but not as a senior.....he was cutting the grass in front of CNU during his senior yr of HS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 14, 2005, 02:57:18 PM
AI could play d3 ball as a junior in HS...but not as a senior.....he was cutting the grass in front of CNU during his senior yr of HS!!!

Cheap shot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 03:28:50 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 14, 2005, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: njlincolnlion on December 14, 2005, 11:43:14 AM
Goose:

Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI. 


umm...then why is he playing d3 ball? AI could play d3 ball as a junior in HS...but not as a senior.....he was cutting the grass in front of CNU during his senior yr of HS!!!

cnu85:

I guess Myrick is playing DIII ball for the same reasons that Horace Jenkins, Devean George, and others have played for.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 14, 2005, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on December 13, 2005, 05:01:25 PM
This board is great I enjoy reading about teams in the USA South. I do have a couple of opinions. 1st Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team.  They led MC to the elite 8 and Jason was an all-american.  Montrell put up huge numbers and was as good as anybody at the 2-3 spot.  I think one of them should be in over White from Shanandoah. He scored alot, but didn't play any D. Go Monarchs

Sup guys hope all is well in your seperate parts..... Just a couple things. I'll address this Monarch kid with this....SHUT YOUR MOUTH when you speak of Al White not playin any D. The tapes I saw of him, show a couple of opponents shots goin into the bleachers, or the other way down the court for a dixon lay-up or a White dunk. The man had more game in his right pinky finger than you ever will in your whole career. Got a problem with it, meet me on the court and I'll show you a couple things White could do. And I'm sure I know a couple other people I could hit up who'd love to show you their game too.

Second, thanks to Narch for the update on MC.

NCW lost to Virginia Wes.!! 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: sushotblocker04 on December 14, 2005, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on December 13, 2005, 05:01:25 PM
This board is great I enjoy reading about teams in the USA South. I do have a couple of opinions. 1st Montrell McNair and Jason Childress both from Methodist College should get strong consideration for 1st team on the All-Time team.  They led MC to the elite 8 and Jason was an all-american.  Montrell put up huge numbers and was as good as anybody at the 2-3 spot.  I think one of them should be in over White from Shanandoah. He scored alot, but didn't play any D. Go Monarchs

Sup guys hope all is well in your seperate parts..... Just a couple things. I'll address this Monarch kid with this....SHUT YOUR MOUTH when you speak of Al White not playin any D. The tapes I saw of him, show a couple of opponents shots goin into the bleachers, or the other way down the court for a dixon lay-up or a White dunk. The man had more game in his right pinky finger than you ever will in your whole career. Got a problem with it, meet me on the court and I'll show you a couple things White could do. And I'm sure I know a couple other people I could hit up who'd love to show you their game too.

Second, thanks to Narch for the update on MC.

NCW lost to Virginia Wes.!! 



96 -

Like I said; welcome to the board.  No, really, I mean it.  Welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 14, 2005, 05:15:31 PM
for what it's worth, '96 was a pretty decent player in his day and i'm sure he could tell you first-hand what some of the folks we are talking about are capable of...i think he played both football AND basketball, right '96?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: narch on December 14, 2005, 05:15:31 PM
for what it's worth, '96 was a pretty decent player in his day and i'm sure he could tell you first-hand what some of the folks we are talking about are capable of...i think he played both football AND basketball, right '96?

I hope we didn't scare him away.  One post and gone?  You got to hand it to him though; his single post was like a strong move to the bucket, even if it was roofed back in his face.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 14, 2005, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 12, 2005, 09:39:45 PM
Did you know the short version of "Captj" is "CJ"?? (pun intended!!)

I AM NOT Coach Woollum.  I promise.  I am also NOT one of narch's many secret identities.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on December 14, 2005, 10:56:49 PM
On an off night, Au rips Newport News Apprentice by 20 80-60 and has two days off to prepare for a tough maryville team who beat us last year. With wesleyan looking like they cant play together right now, dont be surprised if its us who challenge methodist for that conference title. 0 and 28, to 13 and 14.......we've been down, there's only one way to go.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on December 15, 2005, 02:32:57 AM
At Spring Hill, at Mobile... Here's to hoping the Monarchs take the win % from a 28 to a 44. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: AuRising on December 14, 2005, 10:56:49 PM
On an off night, Au rips Newport News Apprentice by 20 80-60 and has two days off to prepare for a tough maryville team who beat us last year. With wesleyan looking like they cant play together right now, dont be surprised if its us who challenge methodist for that conference title. 0 and 28, to 13 and 14.......we've been down, there's only one way to go.

20 points sounds like a pretty good win.  Why do you say it was an "off night"?  And by the way... don't forget about my guys.  You speak as though NCW is the only team with a chance to challenge the Monarchs.

And I say this with all the good spirit and cheer appropriate for the holiday season upon us... welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 15, 2005, 10:35:48 AM
captj-I expect to see you at the women's game tomorrow night and Sunday afternoon!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 15, 2005, 02:02:59 PM
this is going to be VERY out of character for me, because i'm normally RIPPING ncwc for their out-of-conference schedule...but here goes

Quote from: AuRising on December 14, 2005, 10:56:49 PMWith wesleyan looking like they cant play together right now, dont be surprised if its us who challenge methodist for that conference title.

rising - you may have seen ncwc play this season, and you may be basing your statement on your personal observations, but if you are using a 2-6 record as a basis for saying that ncwc "cant play together right now", i would caution you against that - ncwc is 2-6 against d3 competetion - those teams are a combined 42-26 (.617 winning percentage)...au is 4-2 against d3 competetion - those teams are a combined 22-25 (.468 winning percentage) - switch out 3 of those games that ncwc has played against hsc or vwc and replace them with 3 games against lynchburg or arcadia and ncwc could very well be 5-3 - don't forget that the bishops, who apparently "cant play together right now", went into fleet and come up just short of the upset against a 7-0 and nationally ranked hsc team earlier in the week

au may very well compete with the monarchs (and hornets, captains and bishops) for the conference title...i have a lot of respect for what au and that coaching staff has done and the cougars have come a long way from having a player who didn't make mc's JV team starting for them (which was the case a few years ago)...but let's not get overly caught up in the non-conference results - we all know that not all ooc schedules are created equally, and for the first time in recent memory the bishops have the hardest ooc schedule in the usasac
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 15, 2005, 02:21:39 PM
file this in the "for what it's worth" category

to date, each usasac team, record and d3 opp winning %


teamd3 recordd3 opp winning%
fc0-4.718
ncwc2-6.617
mc2-3.611
cnu1-1.600
su4-2.555
gc2-3.526
au4-2.468

what did i learn from this?
the teams that have played really tough schedules have lost most of those games and the teams that have played really easy schedules have won most of those games - i also learned that i think su is the biggest threat to the monarchs title right now, followed by cnu, au, ncwc, gc and fc

p.s. - does anyone know how to give my table a border in bbc code?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 05:06:56 PM
Quote from: narch on December 15, 2005, 02:21:39 PM
file this in the "for what it's worth" category

to date, each usasac team, record and d3 opp winning %


teamd3 recordd3 opp winning%
fc0-4.718
ncwc2-6.617
mc2-3.611
cnu1-1.600
su4-2.555
gc2-3.526
au4-2.468

what did i learn from this?
the teams that have played really tough schedules have lost most of those games and the teams that have played really easy schedules have won most of those games - i also learned that i think su is the biggest threat to the monarchs title right now, followed by cnu, au, ncwc, gc and fc

p.s. - does anyone know how to give my table a border in bbc code?

Here's something else that this info tells me; that the conference as a whole scheduled some pretty good D3 competition for our non-conf games.  Only Averett's opponents have a less than .500 record, and theirs is not much lower than that. 

And for those out there that didn't read what I just said carefully, let me again say that I'm only talking about D3 opponents, not schedules in their entirety.  Some teams have also played scholarship programs and others (CNU) have some cupcakes thrown in there, but our overall D3 non-conf schedule looks pretty ambitious.

narch - Why would you want a bbc code?  I don't think the British are very good at basketball.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 15, 2005, 10:35:48 AM
captj-I expect to see you at the women's game tomorrow night and Sunday afternoon!!

I told you what it would take.  Call me when one of the gals throws one down.  Anyone want my tickets?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 05:17:25 PM
Speaking of unused tickets, I'm not going to make the Frostburg game on Saturday (company holiday party that night). 

85; you're welcome to climb down from the nose bleed section and sit in my seats.  Actually, you're welcome to do that just about any game since between me, my wife, and my employer, I have 10 tickets.  So far the most that I've had in the CaptJ section has been 6 people. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 15, 2005, 05:43:42 PM
Quote

cnu85:

I guess Myrick is playing DIII ball for the same reasons that Horace Jenkins, Devean George, and others have played for.


Quote

But HJ and DG are nowhere near the level of AI.....which was my point...you can't compare a d3 player to AI.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 15, 2005, 06:09:36 PM
CJ ...oops Captj,

Can't take you up on the ticket offer. I'm doing some work holiday party stuff, too. Thanks for the offer.

Whattya mean nose bleed section? Just because I'm in the last row? It's nice up there. I get to watch everyone's back. I talk to the camera guy.

Goose -  a few questions:
1. Where's the pep band?
2. Tell FT or CJ to put in a transponder so we can pick up 99.1 inside the Freeman. What good is it to have a radio station in Gloucester? You can't pick up a good signal in the Freeman or at POMOCO. At least at POMOCO they added 1490 AM (although they had issues with pregame, postgame, cutting away at halftime to listen to some redenck at Langley Speedway).
3. The camera guy listens to a feed from 99.1. Maybe, I'll get a splitter and listen, too.

CJ  - I walked right by you on the way to the nose bleed sectiona nd didn't realize it. Sorry about that. I also didn't go to the President's room at the half...I just ate dinner and the long walk down was too much. So, I stayed up there with my Pepsi and M&Ms. I worked hard to put on these 20 lbs this year...don't wanna give 'em up too soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 15, 2005, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 15, 2005, 06:09:36 PM

1. Where's the pep band?

Great question!   I miss those guys.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 16, 2005, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 15, 2005, 05:43:42 PM
...you can't compare a d3 player to AI.
how true...most are in college because they actually want an education and very few are convicted felons :)

iverson might be a uniquely talented player (he was when he was at g'town....i wouldn't know, now, since i haven't watched an nba game in over 5 years), but anyone who thinks that wearing a suit to work sends the wrong message to kids is not someone i would want to be compared to
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 16, 2005, 01:42:59 PM
85, you crack me up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 16, 2005, 02:34:54 PM
I have no idea on the pep band, we need to contact the powers that be I guess!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 16, 2005, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 15, 2005, 05:43:42 PM
Quote

cnu85:

I guess Myrick is playing DIII ball for the same reasons that Horace Jenkins, Devean George, and others have played for.


Quote

But HJ and DG are nowhere near the level of AI.....which was my point...you can't compare a d3 player to AI.


cnu85:

I never said HJ or DG were on the same level as AI.  The reference to HJ and DG was that Myricks was playing for an opportunity to play in the NBA like these guys.  The point to my original post was that Myrick played the guard position the AI does.

You were the one who made the crass remark about AI mowing the lawn for CNU.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2005, 12:03:50 AM
monarchs lose 80-72 to spring hill tonight...not good...grant with 18, mcdonald with 16, antwin shuford (also a football cb) had 10 pts, 9 boards and 4 steals in his varsity debut - game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50020)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on December 17, 2005, 12:15:38 PM
In response to the reply of my earlier post, it is true that averett has not played the difficult schedule that others have. But in all fairness, the guys can only play who they have to. That, i believe, is an error made by the coach. Scheduling weak looks good in the record book win column, but will show up when being challenged by a va wesleyan or a methodist/athletic cnu team. In other news, any predictions on my men upsetting maryville?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 17, 2005, 02:11:52 PM
Rising -

I was going to ask if you've heard of the proverbial snowball, but I see that Boor is back now so I'll give your guys a chance since they're at home.  I hope they pull off the upset.

Go Cougars!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2005, 04:46:05 PM
Congrats to Averett on beating Murvul just now (73-70).  I was afraid MC was vulnerable because of its hot start and being off for exams.  Maybe reading too much press clips and accolades on the GSAC board.  But Narch, don't get to excited about your rematch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on December 17, 2005, 10:39:40 PM
Congratulations to my cougars who defeated number 22 maryville 73-70 today. Leading the way was freshman transfer shaun hagwood with 17 points. Also, congrats to jimmy allen who posed a great defensive scheme on the maryvill big men and forced them to give the ball up. We break now, but hopefully we can continue this winning streak. Next game: Lynchburg college, Jan. 2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2005, 10:49:01 PM
great win for the cougars...monarchs lose by 15 to the #20 naia d1 team - 2-7 before the break...need some serious magic - game story (http://d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50021)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 18, 2005, 09:37:28 AM

NJLincolnlion...I guess I misinterpretted your post:


"Kyle "Fase" Myricks is alot like Allen Iverson, except he's built more solid than AI."

I thought you were comparing the guy to AI.

And...what did you mean by....."You were the one who made the crass remark about AI mowing the lawn for CNU." I don't want to misinterpret what you meant.

That was a general comment for those around here "in the know"......it wasn't a comment as a result of anything you said.

Anyway...good luck in SC....you guys most likely will bring home the trophy!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on December 18, 2005, 12:14:25 PM
Congrats to AU. Didn't believe it until I checked the home page, and the D3 board. Thats a good confidence booster going into the break.

SU beats Mary Washington by 6. 77-71. Didn't make it to the game but I heard they looked good at times, and a lil sloppy at others. Its alright though, a win is a win. Especially with 4 players in double figures. Watch out come conference play, its looking like its gonna be a tough one this year. 2 more OOC games left (Davis/Elkins & Lycoming).

All....(no wait)...MOST of the teams appear pretty solid and yes a good point has been made regarding strength of schedule. That being said,

Here's my prediction....

1. SU (We'll have some close games down the road but I think SU will manage to pull them out. )
2. Methodist (They'll pull things together but come up short without veteran ledership)
3. CNU (They always seem to hang around the 2 or 3 spot)
4. AU (Will surprise some teams down the line and may even take the 3 spot from CNU)
5. NCW (They'll definitly challenge teams this year and may make a move up towards the 3 spot somewhere around mid-season, but I think thats about it.) Maybe even a 3 way tie for 3rd. I've seen crazier things in the USA South conference. 
6. GC
7. FC


Looking forward to  Jan. 11 (first game of conference play vs CNwho.)

GO HORNETS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 20, 2005, 06:59:16 PM
Let's see... Keystone is 4-3 (24-4 last season) with the following observations about their season –

Losses to Marymount (3-5, 10-16 last season), Mansfield (not D3?), Bethany (6-4, 24-4).
Wins against Rutgers-Camden (1-7, 2-23), Oberlin (0-10, 3-22), Keuka (5-1, 11-13), Villa Julie (5-3, 18-10).

I looked at their website and found that not one single player on the team has started all 7 games, and only one has started 6 of the 7.  This seems to me to be a team searching for its identity.  They are obviously used to success (24-4 last year), but I can't tell from their (very poor) website if they lost key players or not.  I'm guessing they did.  I also noticed that for CNU, D3hoops.com lists team records back to 2003.  For Keystone there is only this year and last year recorded.  Are they a new team to D3?

I predict a win for the Captains.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 20, 2005, 07:51:14 PM
So much for my prognostication abilities.  Keystone defeats the Captains 70-65.  Each team scores 30 in the 2nd half.  Captains shoot 40% for the game.  Romeo a dismal 1 of 11 and 0 for 8 from long.  I think I could BOUNCE one in given 8 attempts.  A couple of double/doubles; Lewis 20/10, Blasingame 12/11/5 blks.  Barton with 14 points, Selden 12.  18 team turnovers. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 20, 2005, 08:27:12 PM
keystone used to be a juco, i think
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 20, 2005, 10:59:34 PM
Goose -

Do you know why Matt Coleman didn't play?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 20, 2005, 11:10:01 PM
Captj,

your blind optimism is appropriate for this time of year. But after Santa comes, then what? Conference play. I predict CNU gets blown out against Lincoln tomorrow. Then, come conference time it gets a little rough and we'll see how a young team tries to hold itself together. What do you predict for the record at the end fo regular season? I predict 12-13 and an empty Freeman Center come tournament time.

Lots of talent...young.....too many turnovers, too many slow starts, too easy of an early schedule.....6-2...enjoy it while we can.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 21, 2005, 08:40:13 AM
heard CJ pregame say Coleman had tendonitis and was doubtful at best
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 09:55:17 AM
Ebenezer, oops, I mean 85 –

Predicting a win against Keystone can hardly be called "blind optimism".  I listened to the game online and we could have won that game with just a few more bounces going our way.  And contrary to your "too many slow starts" opinion, we actually started strong in this one.  We led by 6 two minutes in and maintained that margin until about the 13:00 mark.  We also started the 2nd half strong to overcome the 5-point deficit, leading by five with 14:00 remaining in the game.  Keystone is NOT a team that we can't beat.  I'd like to play them again with Coleman in the lineup and with Romeo having even a poor performance.  What he did last night was absolutely abysmal.  You can't win when your senior superstar plays like that.  But this was really out of character for him and I believe that now that he's got this one out of his system he will only be better for it.  And I don't think that is blind optimism; I call it being a fan.

And since you asked; I predict a win/loss record very similar to last year (18-8).  I think we'll finish in the top half of the conference, therefore getting the home game for the first round conference tourney game, which we will win.  I also think we'll win the semifinal game in a packed Freeman Center, but won't go so far as to predict a tournament championship (though it could definitely happen).

And since you've predicted a blowout today against Lincoln, I'm going to challenge you on that one too.  I think we'll give them all they can handle.

Why so much negativity?  It sounds like you already know you'll be getting a lump of coal this Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 09:59:12 AM
Thanks NNASID.  Maybe Goose can give us an update on his condition?  You out there Goose?  We could really use Coleman today, but it's unlikely one day will make a difference in his condition so I expect he'll sit again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on December 21, 2005, 11:29:08 AM
Hey everybody, I am back after being MIA for two weeks or so.  That being said, here is my $20 million fearless predictions...

1.  SU (I might be a little bias, but I really like this SU team this year.  Of course, we will find out more about this team after the first round of conference games).
2.  CNU (Picking CNU below 3rd place would be foolish).
3.  Methodist (That tough nonconference schedule will pay off.  I wouldn't be surprised if SU & MU switched places).
4.  NCW (Did you expect me to put AveNOT here?).
5.  Averett (Make me a believer ???).
6  Ferrum (Looking at their schedule/results this team isn't bad at all).
7. Greensboro (Magnificent Marcellous why have you forsaken them?).

Extra Prediction - My 'Canes 27, LSU 7

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 21, 2005, 12:43:03 PM
Sorry I missed all of the great responses and couldn't get back to you guys sooner.  To defend my post about childress and mcnair.  It is rare for mc players to put up huge numbers offensively because their teams usually have balanced scoring.  When you consider that and then look at the numbers that mcnair put up it is even more impressive.  He played in a system that ran alot of sets, just imagine if he played in the up and down system that shanandoah was using back then and probably still is.  Dixon(SU) was terrific, but white (su) i'm not sold on.  He did have alot of steals and blocks, but both of those stats are very misleading.  Nothing breaks down a team defense like missed steals and blocks, because when you miss steals it creates 5 on 4 advantages for the offense. missed blocks take you out of position for rebounds.  I believe that great shanandoah team of 95-96 was something like 19-9.  They had two guys who scored over 2,000 pts and another with 1,000.  But they gave up 100 pt.s six times, 90+ seven times. I don't think you can argue that anyone on that team was a great defender.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 21, 2005, 12:51:05 PM
by the way my predicitions are;
1. MC
2. NCW
3. AC
4. SU
5. CNU
6. FC
7. GC

should be a very interesting year in the league 8-4 may win the league.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on December 21, 2005, 12:43:03 PM
He did have alot of steals and blocks, but both of those stats are very misleading.  Nothing breaks down a team defense like missed steals and blocks, because when you miss steals it creates 5 on 4 advantages for the offense. missed blocks take you out of position for rebounds. 

I need to get this message out to CJ and tell him to NOT let our guys go for steals or blocks.  Let those passes go through, guys, and by all means don't contest their shooters!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 06:33:50 PM
Although I can't find a score anywhere, The D3Hoops.com site is showing CNU's record as 7-2.  Did we beat Lincoln?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 21, 2005, 07:06:31 PM
lost 114-112 in OT
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 21, 2005, 07:18:55 PM
I cannot divulge any information on the status of one Matt Coleman.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 07:31:24 PM
Oh, the agony.  But SO many pluses.  112-114 in overtime.  Not exactly the blowout you predicted, 85.  Now, if we can only find out who has cast the hex on Jeremy Romeo, we'll be ready for conference play.  Come on, Jeremy; 2 for 17 is not going to cut it.  What was going on?  Did you carry your Biology 455 text book onto the court with you?  I didn't see or listen to the game, so maybe you had a good game defensively, but I think I could BOUNCE 2 of 17 in.

We only played 6 guys, 7 if you include the less than a minute from Purdham.  I think that CJ has found his guys, and when Coleman returns we will be even better. 

Selden: 45 minutes and 33 points on 11 for 14 shooting (8 of 9 from long).  DONTA IS THE HEART OF THIS TEAM.

Barton: 45 minutes and 32 points on 13 for 23 shooting (4 of 6 from long).  Like I said before; you guys are going to love this guy's game.

Lewis: fouls out after 17 minutes PT and 19 POINTS!  What would have been if he'd stayed in the game?!

I predict that the subs are going to get a lot less PT from now on.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 21, 2005, 07:54:50 PM
If there is such a thing as a good loss, this was one.  Our guys have to know that they can compete with ANYBODY from now on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 21, 2005, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: captj on December 21, 2005, 07:31:24 PM
We only played 6 guys, 7 if you include the less than a minute from Purdham.  I think that CJ has found his guys, and when Coleman returns we will be even better. 
a 6 man rotation is NOT the recipe for long-term success in the usasac - what's interesting is that i remember reading on the front page about lincoln earlier and they talked about how well conditioned they were...they didn't exactly use that conditioning to run cnu out of the gym - great showing against a good team for the capts. - j...can i get a box score???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 09:30:57 AM
narch –

There is a box score on the CNU site. 
http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/2005-2006/cnum1221.htm

You're right about depth being important for long term success, but teams have definitely been successful playing 8 deep.  With Coleman back in the lineup and Purdham playing the minutes he usually does, that's our 8.  Dickerson and Witham can also give us strong minutes; I just think that those minutes will be limited from now on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 22, 2005, 09:49:28 AM
captj & cnu85:

From what I can gleen from reports, the Captains played Lincoln tough.  I don't know if it was the fact that Lincoln played four consectutive days and was tired, or if CNU is better than people are giving them credit for.

It seems as if your team did a number on myrick in the first half, however the second half, he exploded.  Good luck the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 09:52:23 AM
Here's our 8-deep lineup and who spells who –

Barton (Selden)
Selden
Romeo (Purdham)
Lewis (Riley)
Blasingame (Coleman)

When you look at it like this there is an obvious problem.  Selden is stretched very, very thin.  But if there is a guy that can handle it, he's the guy.  He plays as intensely (and with as much energy) at the end of a game as he does at the start.  He just doesn't tire. 

Here is how I see our minutes breaking down in a closely fought game -

Barton   31
Selden   36
Romeo   31
Lewis   24
Blsingame   24
Riley   24
Coleman   12
Purdham   12
Witham   3
Dickerson   3
TOTAL 200

Naturally, there will be games in which we will be able to go to the bench more, so these numbers should all tend to push toward the middle values as averages (i.e.; starters with less, subs with more).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 22, 2005, 10:32:05 AM
Gents, I was one of about ten folks at the games....lol....but definitely enjoyed it!   Myrtle Beach is even busy in December!   Excuse my musings, as I am still a little tired from the drive.

First, hats off to Lincoln....those dudes can score some points in a hurry.  The scary part was Myrick had only four at the half....he definitely caught up for lost time in a hurry.   He is a strong player and very good with the short jumper in the paint. 

CNU vs Keystone.....we should have won that one.   If Jeremy could have had a half decent shooting day we would have won....I felt for him both games—definitely did not see that coming....could never get a rhythm going.  Good azimuth...always seemed to be a little long.   And to many turnovers against what I thought was a "fair" press.   Korey Lewis is playing VERY well on the offensive end.  Fouls—urgh—he has to stop bringing his arms below his waist when guys are penetrating the lane...he reaches way, way too much.   Like I said, we should have won this one!

CNU vs Lincoln...first half.....wow!   Fifty-seven points!  Donta....automatic...was just fun to watch.  However, you knew Lincoln was coming....   Korey again....offensively he was great....defensively.....fouls...he had one foul at half time....in a span of about 1:30 seconds in the second half he had four.     Got his 5th on a reach.  Had one thunderous dunk over a Lincoln player....was sweet.    Davon played a great game also against some very aggressive pressure.   Refs were definitely letting them play physical on the ball.  Ed Riley had a very good game off the bench.   Blasingame was not as effective offensively as he was the previous game and looked a little tired, but still had 13 rebounds.  Let's hope Matt gets back soon, he and Ed have a good chemistry going.  Jeremy—tough afternoon—again just could not get in a rhythm.   

CNU has a lot of potential.  But, it's just that potential.  Let's hope Romeo can shoot his way out of it (I believe we go as far as our senior takes us) and we can cut down on TOs.   We'll be fine.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on December 22, 2005, 11:30:01 AM
ballgame:

Thanks for the recap on the Myrtle Beach Tournament.  Lincoln is heading north during the second half of the season, so I'll get a chance to see them in person.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 22, 2005, 11:56:16 AM
Captj holds the record for most "I could BOUNCE" 3 pointers...I think he has 3 this year!!!!

I did predict a blowout by Lincoln....I was surprised we weren't. Maybe the depth we have deserves more credit. I'll remain skeptical until a few conference games are in the bag. It's one thing to be 6-3 vs 9 good teams..........but Maryland Bible, even a much improved Southern Virginia team, just don't stack up to what is about to invade the Freeman.

Captj - I know you are "being a fan". Nobody questions that...you support the program very well. You're just more optimistic than I am......maybe it's becuase I'm a Vikings fan and optimism crushed me in 4 Super Bowls!!! I hope by the end of the year you'll be able to tell me I was wrong!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 01:26:05 PM
85 –

I might be an optimist, but my optimism isn't "blind".  You predicted a 12-13 final record.  I call that defeatist.  How are we going to go 6-10 from here out?  Ten losses?!  I'm going to try to figure out how we're going to lose 10 more games this year.

We play Maine Presque Isle (1-8) and the winner of Eastern Conn. (3-5) and Westfield State (6-3).  I guess since you have such a low opinion of our team you must be counting on a loss in one of these games, right?  Surely Westfield State (whose 6 wins have been against teams with a combined record of 16-32) is much better than we are so this must be 1 of your 10.

Fisher is 1-6 right now in NAIA Division 2.  From what I've been reading on this site, D3 has gotten the better of NAIA Div2 this year, so I'm not too worried about us picking up a loss against them in the Freeman. 

We play Carnegie Mellon (9-0).  Surely you don't give our guys a chance in this one.  Another blowout for sure.  2 of 10. 

That leaves 8 losses in conference play?  OK, I guess we COULD go one and out in the conference tourney, so that leaves a 5-7 record in regular season.  Not going to happen, my gloomy friend.

Here's what CaptJ's crystal ball says – MAYBE one loss in non-conference play.  I've already made my prediction on conference play (see above).

You're right 85; Santa's coming soon.  I hope that lump of coal keeps you warm.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 02:54:26 PM
a) there is a difference between denying the passing lanes and going for steals
b) there is a difference between contesting shots and going for blocks

If you have a team full of guys going for steals and blocks, you have a very undisciplined defense and probably a very bad team.  As I posted earlier, going for steals and missing put your team defense in 4 on 5 situations and a well coached team is going to take advantage of those situations.  If you have guys constantly going for block shots a well coach team is not only going to shot fake and get them into foul trouble, but also is going to have an advantage on the offensive glass. Since it is impossible to block out the shooter if you are in the air flying after a shot.

Good luck to all USA South schools during the holidays
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on December 21, 2005, 12:43:03 PM
white (su) i'm not sold on.  He did have alot of steals and blocks, but both of those stats are very misleading.  Nothing breaks down a team defense like missed steals and blocks, because when you miss steals it creates 5 on 4 advantages for the offense. missed blocks take you out of position for rebounds. 

96 –

I can't believe you're still pushing this.  Here's your quote.  You were trying to diminish a player because he had a lot of steals and blocks!?  It just doesn't make sense.

I understand your point that going for a steal and leaving yourself out of position is bad.  But that's what you call "bad defense", and players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders.  Your implication is that because he was successful on so many steals, he had to have put his team at a disadvantage defensively.  It just doesn't make sense.

The same goes for blocks.  I understand that going for a pump fake and leaving yourself out of position is bad, very bad.  But again, that's just not being a very good defender.  I believe that, by definition, guys who get lots of blocks are good defenders.  And don't tell me that Al White, who had 898 career rebounds (8.8/gm), more than anyone else in SU history, put himself "out of position for rebounds" because he had a lot of blocks!  It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 02:54:26 PM
If you have a team full of guys going for steals and blocks, you have a very undisciplined defense and probably a very bad team. 

:o ??? ::) :-[
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 03:36:04 PM
captj;
my point is when picking an all-time team you need to look at more than the numbers someone puts up, because sometimes numbers can be misleading based on the system/ and or era that a player plays.  I will take McNair over White if I had the choice, I'm done with that conversation.

Narch give me the scoop on the monarchs, looks like we need grant to pick it up and for thomas to be more consistant. The new guy from the football team made a nice debut maybe he will free those two up for some easy looks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 22, 2005, 03:45:11 PM
Monarch...good points...however I beg to differ on a few counts.  If you over play the passing lanes and you're aggressive shouldn't steals be a result....and isn't the result of a steal usually an easy basket?  I agree going for steals CAN get you in trouble if not part of your defensive scheme...but going for steals ARE in a lot of teams defensive schemes.  

Pump fakes are an effective weapon....but shouldn't the shot blocker be just as disciplined NOT to go for a fake.   I know they teach you not to leave your feet down in the good old Tar Heel state!  Plus the shot block is also an effective tool for the "mental" aspect of the game.  If a guy blocks a couple of shots, don't you think the other team is aware of where this "shot blocker" is when they go to the hole and it might occasionally cause an offensive player to alter a shot.  I don't know to many folks who like to have "Nike" tattooed on their forehead!  And someone who goes for a pump fake every time is not a "shot blocker" by my definition.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 04:44:20 PM
Ballgame
Good points also.  IN MY OPIONION, teams that play the passing lanes are not necessarily looking for steals, but are trying to force their opponent further from the basket when running their offense, and /or trying to take away their opponents initial entries into their offense.  I agree that alot of teams overplay the passing lanes, but this strategy is very difficult to employ vs. well coached teams with fundametally sound players.  Because it opens you up to backdoor cuts and dribble penetration.
Yes the "shot blocker" intimidates some teams.  It is very difficult to block the shot of the person that you are guarding if he is fundamentally sound. Therefore most blocked shots come from helpside defense.  When you have an aggressive shot blocker, it forces your perimeter players to rotate inside to rebound on the weakside against larger players and it allow perimeter players to spot up on the weakside for open looks. 
I've played with and coached some very good shot-blockers and i've seen first hand the advantages and disadvantages of having them on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: captj on December 13, 2005, 07:55:23 PM
McNair is another story.  I see that he put up 1739 points for his career, very impressive.  But he's nowhere else in the Methodist record book, at least on the website (which is all that I have to go on).  So, that means that, for a career, he had less than 530 rebs, less than 214 assts, less than 138 stls, and less than 45 blcks.  And it may have been far less than these numbers because these are the lowest values in the record books on the website.  And you want to put him in instead of Al White (SU), who had 2001 pts, 898 rebs, 190 stls & 108 blks?! 

White had 262 more points than McNair
White had at least 368 more rebounds than McNair
White had at least 52 more steals than McNair
White had at least 63 more blocks than McNair

I'm saying "at least" because those are the lowest values in the Monarch records, which means that McNair had less than that, perhaps MUCH less than that.

Why am I defending a Hornet?  Where are you shotblocker and obnoxious?  Anyone else want to put McNair on our first team just because " you need to look at more than the numbers someone puts up"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 05:06:14 PM
96 -

I forgot to ask; what did McNair do better than White?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 05:40:34 PM
CaptJ
I love this site 8)
McNair had range from about two steps behind the 3pt. line.  he had a great mid-range game and could finish at the rim in transition and in the half ct.  He usually guarded the other teams best perimeter player and his last two years eveyone knew he was getting the ball and he still put up numbers.  White played the 4 spot and McNair the 2/3  so white should have more rebs. and blks.  The steals thing is more about coaching philosophies then pure ability.   If you can find someone who seen both of these guys play ask them who the better player was.

My first team
pg: Dixon (su)
2g:
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 05:42:31 PM
Let me finish that thought

pg: Dixon (su)
2g: McNair (mc)
sf:  Strothers (cnu)
pf:  Boykins (cnu)
c:   Foxx (fc)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 06:05:59 PM
96 –

I appreciate your passion for your guy, I'm sure that he was a great player.  And I appreciate that you got to see him do all those things that impressed you so much.  But I'm sure that Al White did a lot of things really, really well also.  But here's the thing; I'll bet that NONE of the people who will be picking the "official" all-time team will have seen every player that should be considered.  So, they (and we) have to go by stats.  That's all we have.  To dismiss a guy with stats far greater than your guy without some tangible reason for doing so is just ridiculous. 

Someone else weigh in here, obviously neither of us are going to sway the other.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 22, 2005, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: captj on December 22, 2005, 06:05:59 PMTo dismiss a guy with stats far greater than your guy without some tangible reason for doing so is just ridiculous. 
it's the system, silly...no monarch will EVER accumulate huge numbers, because that's not the way the system at mc works - the thing that was so impressive about mcnair is that he could put up 26 without NEEDING to get the ball every time out - i looked at boxscores and saw 25+ on numerous occassions when i thought he had scored 15-17 points because he was so effortless and efficient - i could be wrong (and unfortunately i don't have the stats to find out), but i think he was top 3 or 4 in fg% as a senior, and trust me, montrell took a lot of 3's - he was physical, smart and played hard on both ends - i never saw white, but mcnair could CLEARLY play...his senior year i thought he was the best perimeter player in the diac, hands down

Quote from: Monarch96 on December 22, 2005, 03:36:04 PM
Narch give me the scoop on the monarchs, looks like we need grant to pick it up and for thomas to be more consistant. The new guy from the football team made a nice debut maybe he will free those two up for some easy looks.
grant needs to start shooting better, thomas needs to score more consistently, lee needs to show up, mcdonald and mcbryde need to play to their vast potential and SOMEBODY needs to help thomas on the blocks...he's led the team with 9 rebs the last 2 games

i know the coaches (and hoops hops) are completely sold on hairston at the point, but i'd like to see him coming off the bench and slide grant back to the point - when the monarchs played with grant at the 1 and lee at the 2 last year is when they were at their best - i think hairston is best used in short spurts to push tempo - i know grant isn't a TRUE pg, but he played pretty effectively as a pg last year, and lee can guard any point in the conference allowing grant to guard the 2 (which he can do VERY ably) - lots to tinker with and some tough ooc games remain (@ vwc and home vs. a piedmont team that will be better prepared for the monarchs than anyone mc plays all year, then a trip to m'ville after the first 3 conference games)

and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender - i hope that sam porter isn't reading this, because he is a very big strong man :), BUT sam wasn't a particularly good post defender, but he got lots of steals because he had quick, strong hands...if his man kept the ball, he generally scored - glancing at the stats, sam was #2 in the conference in steals in conference only games last year, though - there are 2 stats that i think basketball should add, one which would help this argument tremendously...there should be an individual +/- stat...in other words, how many points did the man you were guarding score, and how many did you score - it would tell LOTS about play on both ends in many cases - 2nd stat deals with assists...if you dish the ball in an assist scenario and the finisher gets fouled, you should get .5 assist for each ft on a 2 point shot and .33 for each ft on a 3 pt shot - just my $.02
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 PM
It's so easy to just say "it's the system".  But this is a conference with lots of teams and unfortunately there aren't enough first team spots for everyone.  Face it Monarchs, your guys just don't have the stats to warrant inclusion on the first team, and when the official team is announced next year you'll see that I'm right.  I'd still like to hear from others on the board.

Just for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?

"and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender".  Who said that, narch?  I didn't.  I said "players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders".  I don't think the distinction is that difficult to understand.

I do like your ideas about additional stats, but I'm not sure that a man-to-man +/- is the one.  Think of the great Russell/Chamberlain matchups in the sixties.  Russell would definitely lose that statistical contest, but look at the championships the Celtics won.  I'd rather see a +/- stat that keeps track of what the TEAM does, much like they use in ice hockey.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 23, 2005, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 PM
It's so easy to just say "it's the system".  But this is a conference with lots of teams and unfortunately there aren't enough first team spots for everyone.  Face it Monarchs, your guys just don't have the stats to warrant inclusion on the first team, and when the official team is announced next year you'll see that I'm right.  I'd still like to hear from others on the board.
i've said there would be no monarchs on the first team from the get-go...mostly because no monarch has or will ever accumulate big numbers...but mcnair deserves consideration - are they really naming an all-time team....i thought this was just a discussion among friends :)

Quote from: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 PMJust for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?
on the perimeter......yes

Quote from: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 PM
"and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender". Who said that, narch? I didn't. I said "players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders". I don't think the distinction is that difficult to understand.
it's semantics, but there ARE players who accumulate lots of steals and ARE bad defenders - good team defense is about positioning, denying and forcing the other team out of what they want to do...steals CAN be a by-product of good defense, but i prefer to look at shooting % and turnovers forced when evaluating a defensive performance
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 09:44:35 AM
Quote from: narch on December 23, 2005, 09:19:17 AM
are they really naming an all-time team....i thought this was just a discussion among friends :)

I thought so... didn't they do so on the women's side?  But if not, it sure is fun anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: narch on December 23, 2005, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 PMJust for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?
on the perimeter......yes


Come on!  That's like saying Cousy was better than Chamberlain... on the perimeter.

I'm sorry guys; I just don't see McNair on the 1st tea.  I think that Antoine Sinclair deserves it more than McNair, but I'm not stumping to get him on the team.  But if you insist on knocking Al White off the team -

Antoine Sinclair; 1736 pts, 1031 reb, 181 blks, 136 stls, NCAA 1st Team All-American, NCAA 2nd Team All-American,

According to the Methodist website, McNair never made 1st team All-American.  Don't know about 2nd, 3rd, etc. because only first teamers are listed.  He never even won Conference Player of The Year. 

Here's the Monarch's dream(ing) team –

pg: Dixon (su)
2g: McNair (mc)
sf:  Strothers (cnu)
pf:  Boykins (cnu)
c:   Foxx (fc)

First of all; Boykins wasn't a true power forward, he just put up numbers like a great one.  He was 6-3.  This team would improve immensely like this –

pg: Dixon
2g: Strothers
sf:  Boykins
pf:  Al White (or) Antoine Sinclair
c:   Foxx
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: narch on December 23, 2005, 09:19:17 AM
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Quote from: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 PM
"and, for the record...getting lots of steals DOESN'T make you a great defender". Who said that, narch? I didn't. I said "players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders". I don't think the distinction is that difficult to understand.
it's semantics, but there ARE players who accumulate lots of steals and ARE bad defenders - good team defense is about positioning, denying and forcing the other team out of what they want to do...steals CAN be a by-product of good defense, but i prefer to look at shooting % and turnovers forced when evaluating a defensive performance

It is not semantics.  Free your mind of prejudices just a moment and read what I said.

"players who accumulate lots of steals are NOT bad defenders"

I didn't say they were GOOD defenders, I merely said that the fact that they accumulated lots of steals doesn't make them a BAD defender, which is what 96 seemed to be implying.  That is nothing at all like saying that getting lots of steals makes you a great defender.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on December 23, 2005, 08:55:41 PM
SINCLAIR, SINCLAIR, SINCLAIR. I forgot all about that monster.  He has got to be on the first team. Sorry Montrell but you and White are both second teamers. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you if they are trully trying to do an all-time team.

Capt J;
You are the reason I like logging on to this site, thanks for the debate.  My man Montrell could play with anyone though, ask CJ if he is among the best ever in this league.

Narch;
Thanks for the update. I hope Grant gets to play point this season, he did a great job last year and won alot in high school playing that postion.  He is a rock and hopefully that will get the Monarchs moving in the right direction.  I really like McDonald, that kid is going to be a killer in the USA South before he's finished.  Those seniors are warriors and they are gonna find a way to be successful this year.
 
Happy Holidays to all
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 23, 2005, 11:14:04 PM
Quote from: captj on December 23, 2005, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: narch on December 23, 2005, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: captj on December 22, 2005, 10:48:38 PMJust for perspective, was McNair better than Antoine Sinclair?
on the perimeter......yes
Come on!  That's like saying Cousy was better than Chamberlain... on the perimeter.
EXACTLY...they played different positions - here is the quote from my original post (below), which is why i gave a qualifier...c'mon, j...you're better than that :)
Quote from: narch on December 22, 2005, 09:47:17 PM
his senior year i thought he was the best perimeter player in the diac, hands down

i'm not campaigning for mcnair, because truthfully, i didn't see enough of the other guys, and their NUMBERS look better...but i guarantee you he's as good as any of them...he averaged nearly 22 ppg as a senior in a system that just doesn't produce big time scorers, and i'll bet he didn't take more than 14-16 shots per game

and it IS semantics (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semantics)...we are arguing the same point using different language, apparently
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: narch on December 23, 2005, 11:14:04 PM
EXACTLY...they played different positions -

I was just hoping you'd offer an opinion without qualifying it.  I don't think that two players have to have played the same position for one to say that one was a better basketball player than the other.  Like this; Michael Jordan was better than Karl Malone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 23, 2005, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on December 23, 2005, 08:55:41 PM
Capt J;
You are the reason I like logging on to this site, thanks for the debate. 

Thanks yourself.  I've said this before; it's a forum for discussion, not conversation.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 24, 2005, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: captj on November 28, 2005, 04:40:57 PM
Blasingame is going to be a solid player.  He reminds me so much of another freshman named Mark that would still be on our team this year if we hadn't lost our Leisure Studies program.  I think he even wears the same number.

I was wrong about that... Hepner wore #52.  But Blasingame should feel proud in the #50; it's been worn by Terry Gray, Terry Thomas, and Coach Waters.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 24, 2005, 10:48:55 AM
narch –

Break out of that funk, buddy.  I have never seen you this quiet/inactive on the board.  I know that a five game losing streak (with a game at VaWes next on the schedule) will do that to a guy, but there are a lot of hoops left this season.  I hope you're so quiet because you're out doing last minute shopping.

To everyone out there I wish you all a Merry Christmas or Hanukah or Kwanza or any other event you celebrate.  I have family arriving today at the CaptJ household for our Christmas celebration, so I'm going to be OOC for a day or so.

Good health and fortune to you all!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 25, 2005, 11:20:36 PM
Quote from: captj on December 24, 2005, 10:48:55 AM
narch –Break out of that funk, buddy. 
umm...it's christmas and fantasy football finals (which i won for the first time ever)...oh, and there are no games being played and nothing really interesting to discuss

i heard a rumor that there would be a usasac/odac senior game after the season...can't get confirmation, but that would be an interesting match-up

let's put together the usasac team - i nominate thomas and grant
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 07:53:40 AM
Quote from: narch on December 25, 2005, 11:20:36 PM
i heard a rumor that there would be a usasac/odac senior game after the season...can't get confirmation, but that would be an interesting match-up

let's put together the usasac team - i nominate thomas and grant

Wow, that would be great (at least for the hosting school).

Since we'll need 10-12 guys I'll nominate Romeo and Lewis, but they'll have to start playing up to their potential for them to get off the bench. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 26, 2005, 11:28:45 AM
Hey captj, if its a senior game, Lewis cant play, he's only a junior!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 26, 2005, 11:32:49 AM
And if it's not a senior game, then any non-senior risks losing a year of eligibility to play. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on December 26, 2005, 11:28:45 AM
Hey captj, if its a senior game, Lewis cant play, he's only a junior!!

Duh!  Too much Jack Daniels, too little eggnog.

Don't let him play... we want him eligible next year (thanks, Pat).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 04:45:24 PM
Goose -

Any Christmas presents this year?  Maybe a 6-9, 250 pound clone of Shelden Williams transferring in this semester?

By the way... what's up with Matt Coleman? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 26, 2005, 05:08:39 PM
Speaking of Duke... I made some comments a week or so ago about depth.  I said that the Captains seem to have found their 8-deep mix of players, and noted that we played pretty well against Lincoln in a 45 minute game using only six.  Depth is important of course, but check out the Duke stats.  They have 7 guys averaging more than 20 minutes per game, one about 9, and no one else with more than 4.  Not exactly what you'd call a deep lineup, but it is definitely working for them.  This isn't the NBA; wearing down over a 25-30 game season shouldn't happen to these young guys.  I like our 8-player rotation a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 27, 2005, 09:47:06 AM
Im not sure what the problem is officially with Matt, but I think he will be missing some considerable time. Dont know for sure tho. As far as any Christmas presents, I havent heard anything yet, but Im sure we will all know Jan. 3!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 27, 2005, 11:17:44 AM
Hey Goose,

What's the camera guy's name? I figured I should know (and probably do, but have forgotten) since I've been sitting up there with him for a few years.

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 27, 2005, 12:10:04 PM
cnu85-
   I refer to him as Sweet Lou, or St. LOUis. Whichever you prefer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: 78rmc on December 27, 2005, 12:48:14 PM
Pat, who actually won the CNU/Keystone game?  I saw articles saying that Keystone won, but the team schedules and scoreboard reflects a CNU win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 01:01:01 PM
When in doubt, go with what the release says. Sometimes schools can't manage the very, very complicated form we use to collect scores. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 27, 2005, 06:49:16 PM
Hey hey hey. I resent that statement!! Keystone won the game, whomever entered the score in the data_entry posted it wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 07:51:27 PM
I specifically did not say CNU posted it wrong. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 27, 2005, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 01:01:01 PM
When in doubt, go with what the release says. Sometimes schools can't manage the very, very complicated form we use to collect scores. :)

This is specific?  Lord Coleman strikes again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2005, 10:25:42 PM
Considering there are two schools that could have posted the score (CNU or Keystone, follow closely) I was very careful not to lay the blame at the foot of one individual school.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 28, 2005, 08:37:22 AM
D3 Football is officially over.....and now the Egg  Nog is kicking in!!!!

Goose - yep, I knew his name....just forgot it......see Egg Nog comment above!

CJ - oops ...I'll call you the Tall CJ.........you're right  - 12-13 is not a good prediction....let me work on it...but I do predict more than one conference loss.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 29, 2005, 10:52:23 AM
I know you didnt Pat!!

PS Carnegie Mellon downs ranked Rochester earlier in the year and now goes to Princeton and downs the Tigers on their home floor. I dont know how to take that win, considering Princeton was held to an all-time low of 21 points vs. a power program in Monmouth. Still scary tho when a D3 beats a D1.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 29, 2005, 11:40:51 AM
Goose, what a great way to start the Spring semester.....15 Jan....CMU vs CNU....look forward to it and see you there!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 29, 2005, 01:47:52 PM
Bring on CMU....we will crush them!!!

;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on December 29, 2005, 02:15:03 PM
Lol...like your attitude '85...team starts practice today.   Sort of looking forward to hearing what's new and what's old....plus the status of Matt Coleman. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 29, 2005, 03:43:42 PM
Both of you Captains "insiders" give us an update when you have info.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 29, 2005, 04:12:27 PM
I see that my karma has taken another hit... undoubtedly from Pat for calling him on his truculent treatment of posters. 

I have a question for you Pat; are these websites your full-time profession, or do you run the sites for benevolent reasons?  The effort required to run them must be staggering, so that plus the existence of all of the pop-ups on the site makes me believe that this is what you do for a living.  Either way, thanks.  During basketball season (and beyond) it is my favorite website and I commend you for recognizing a business opportunity and filling the void.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 29, 2005, 05:39:23 PM
Pat does this for fun....he's into pain!!


Where's the inside news on the team.....any newbies...? Captj....if we don't hear anything tonight on this board...call CJ in his office tomorrow and demand to know - use the sponsor, alumni pull on him!!  :D


hey ....forget CMU...bring on Princeton!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on December 29, 2005, 08:24:19 PM
Pat works for sports weekly, i think is the name of itand hes some sort of copy editor too i think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 10:17:57 AM
Pat Coleman has permitted me to moderate the D3Baseball message boards.  We have had a good response from the NCAC and the ODAC conferences about setting up a basic board for those conferences.  I will moderate the ASC and West Region Independent boards for the time being.

Pat has explained some of the ground rules on the ASC board.  There will be no editorial content, just hyperlinks to the schools and conferences websites and message board space for scores, commentary and links to press reports.  There are other thoughts on the NCAC and ODAC boards.  We have added a board that will track the NABC Poll.

I sought other D3 veterans' advice and they suggested that I post here asking for a volunteer who would like to help maintain a USAC Baseball board.  From the several names that may contact me via my email, I will try to select a motivated, well-respected baseball fan who has a good track record on the various boards.

Thanks in advance to the volunteer and to the fans of USAC Baseball who will use the board.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 10:25:22 AM
captj, I think that this is Pat's "hobby"!  ;D

If it turns into a successful business venture, it will likely be one of those multi-decade "overnight" successes.  :D

These sites would be even more successful, if the SID's and the designated college personnel authorized to publicize D3 athletics would use the site for all it can provide.  In the new media, the web is the newsroom.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 30, 2005, 12:29:27 PM
Wow!  I had no idea.  Because of the obviously monumental level of effort required to run this site I thought that this was what Pat did for a living; that the site was a full fledged, ongoing business.

Pat; I take back any derisive comments I may have directed at you.  You've got to be the all-time greatest D3 basketball fan.  No more guff from me when you become irked at us mere mortals.  And thanks for the site.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2005, 04:52:46 PM
ralph - i think i sent you this via PM, but it did something funky, and i'm not sure it went through, so i'll post it here - exactly what is required of a moderator?  I'd be more than willing to start the USASAC baseball conversation, and I think the strongest baseball conference in the country deserves some space and it's own board, but if moderating takes more time than I already spend on this site, not sure my boss is into it :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2005, 11:32:26 PM
ralph - i started a usasac baseball board, but don't know how to make a topic "sticky" as you asked - i'm cool with sharing moderating duties with goose, even though he is a cnu guy :)

for those interested, i've posted a poll and a discussion topic - this should be fun, especially after the monarchs wrap up their 4th straight usasac hoops title and make a run through the first few rounds of the ncaa's :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2005, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: captj on December 29, 2005, 04:12:27 PM
I see that my karma has taken another hit... undoubtedly from Pat for calling him on his truculent treatment of posters. 

I have a question for you Pat; are these websites your full-time profession, or do you run the sites for benevolent reasons?  The effort required to run them must be staggering, so that plus the existence of all of the pop-ups on the site makes me believe that this is what you do for a living.  Either way, thanks.  During basketball season (and beyond) it is my favorite website and I commend you for recognizing a business opportunity and filling the void.

Thanks, but what pop-ups? We haven't run a pop-up ad on this site in three months.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 31, 2005, 12:28:24 AM
pat - thanks for the baseball boards...you're my hero!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2005, 12:30:07 AM
Quote from: narch on December 31, 2005, 12:28:24 AM
pat - thanks for the baseball boards...you're my hero!

Thanks. What does that say about you, exactly? :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 31, 2005, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 30, 2005, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: captj on December 29, 2005, 04:12:27 PM
I see that my karma has taken another hit... undoubtedly from Pat for calling him on his truculent treatment of posters. 

I have a question for you Pat; are these websites your full-time profession, or do you run the sites for benevolent reasons?  The effort required to run them must be staggering, so that plus the existence of all of the pop-ups on the site makes me believe that this is what you do for a living.  Either way, thanks.  During basketball season (and beyond) it is my favorite website and I commend you for recognizing a business opportunity and filling the void.

Thanks, but what pop-ups? We haven't run a pop-up ad on this site in three months.

I assumed that my pop-up blocker was doing it job.  I don't know what all the ads are called on the home page on the right side; that was what I was referring to.

On the baseball moderator topic; I'm sure that you already know this, but if narch was willing and able to take it on you couldn't ask for anyone better for the job.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2005, 11:17:24 AM
As long as you're not blocking those too. We need those. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on December 31, 2005, 11:26:16 AM
Goose and game -

Still nothing to report?  Or are you saving a big surprise for us?  I guess we'll find out Tuesday night.  Calibrate your calendar and watch, 85.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 31, 2005, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2005, 12:30:07 AM
Quote from: narch on December 31, 2005, 12:28:24 AM
pat - thanks for the baseball boards...you're my hero!

Thanks. What does that say about you, exactly? :)

my wife would tell you that it means i'm psychotic...she has a hard time believing that i'm up until midnight surfing d3 sports sites and not something most others use the 'net for :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on December 31, 2005, 01:41:42 PM
Narch - I'm with ya!! This is our porn!!!

Hey...a baseball site is right up your stats alley....get ready to answer questions like this:

what is CNU's record for Wednesday games on the road following a road loss after a home win on Tuesday after 1/2 the team finshed a mid-term poetry exam the previous Friday?

I love baseball!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 02, 2006, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 29, 2005, 05:39:23 PM
hey ....forget CMU...bring on Princeton!!

I agree!  When was the last time we played an NCAA D1 or D2 team?  The last time I remember was back in the late 90's when we beat VaSt (I think they're NCAA D2).  The last time we played W&M was back in 89-90 to conclude an 0-13 record against them.  I'd like to get on their schedule once in a while.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 02, 2006, 04:51:51 PM
CNU fans!! Just heard and wanted to give you a heads up that WEDNESDAY'S GAMES ARE NOW AT 4 AND 6 PM instead of 5 and 730. Tuesday's games are still 4 pm for the women's and 6 and 8 for the men's tourny.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 02, 2006, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 02, 2006, 04:51:51 PM
CNU fans!! Just heard and wanted to give you a heads up that WEDNESDAY'S GAMES ARE NOW AT 4 AND 6 PM instead of 5 and 730. Tuesday's games are still 4 pm for the women's and 6 and 8 for the men's tourny.

I think we've probably seen the last of 85.  Changing the schedule like that is probably way more than he can handle.  His entire biorhythm and circadian systems are sure to be out of whack now, especially so close on the heels of the beginning of the new year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 02, 2006, 08:29:15 PM
4 and 6 pm.....is that metric time? Just wanna make sure I got it all straight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2006, 12:28:54 AM
monarchs get beat 77-68 @ vwc, but lee breaks out with 24 on 6-6 from 3...interesting box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0102.htm) - no moore, williams or hairston...gotta get some details

2-8 with piedmont on the clock
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AuRising on January 03, 2006, 01:06:16 AM
Another win for my cougars, beating lynchburg college 65-48. Cory McDaniel leads all with 18. Next game is wednesday at guilford, should be exciting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 06:32:00 AM
Quote from: narch on January 03, 2006, 12:28:54 AM
monarchs get beat 77-68 @ vwc, but lee breaks out with 24 on 6-6 from 3...interesting box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0102.htm) - no moore, williams or hairston...gotta get some details

2-8 with piedmont on the clock

2-8 sounds really bad, but I'm not going to dismiss your guys just yet.  But if Piedmont wins in the Riddle, then you need to be very, very worried.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 06:34:11 AM
The Daily Press this morning announced that Matt Coleman has a stress fracture to his foot and will be OOC for 2-4 weeks.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 03, 2006, 12:28:14 PM
I told you it wasnt good for Matt C. And I wouldnt be surprised if CNU85 shows up at 730 for a 6 pm game tomorrow!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 01:53:27 PM
Any new guys show up @ practice?

There's a game tonight?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 02:11:37 PM
Answered my own question...a new 6-3 guy somes to town..Jahmar Claxton. Anyone know anything about him?


Goose - I think I parked behind you yesterday at Home Dept.....I think it was you...the tags read "CORNFED"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: narch on January 03, 2006, 12:28:54 AM
monarchs get beat 77-68 @ vwc, but lee breaks out with 24 on 6-6 from 3...interesting box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0102.htm) - no moore, williams or hairston...gotta get some details

2-8 with piedmont on the clock

Wow, narch... Hairston isn't even on the Monarch website roster any more.  Gotta get details, indeed.

I guess that you'll get your wish for Grant to play more at the point now, but what a way to get it! :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 03, 2006, 03:03:27 PM
Jahmar Claxton, 6-3, 215, Jr.

Googled him -

Washington Post All-Met team (Hon. Mention) in 2001-02 and 2002-03 at Hayfield HS

Chesapeake College Skipjacks (don't know much about the level of play or conference/division)

Prince George's CC (NJCAA Div. II)

From what I read he's a strong post player who scores (high fg%) and rebounds. 

It seems like he was one of the top players on each team he played on, even as a freshman.


With Coleman recovering I'm guessing we'll se him right away for at least short periods of time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 03:06:52 PM
Found stats on Claxton from last year at Prince George's Community College

He was a forward....shot 158/271 (58%). Of that total he was 2/6 from the Three. He scored 397 points in 28 games (14.2 ppg). Also was second on the team in rebounds with 169 (6 per game).
Also he shot 63% from the FT...79/125.


I know he is 6-3...not sure about his weight.

You guys have fun at the games this week. Looks like I'll miss them!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 03, 2006, 03:18:21 PM
No cnu85, it wasnt me. I dont have that gay a$$ license plate!! I have one of my kids initials on it!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2006, 05:23:17 PM
hairston is done @ mc...he was exciting and quick, but i think the team will be better w/o him once a new rotation is established - still a possibility of a spring transfer at pg - moore, williams & mcevoy got a dnp-coaces decision, from what i understand - not sure if coach smith is trying to light a fire, or what, but i think mcbryde can really benefit from more minutes - shuford is pure athlete, and from what i understand, he's playinf center (keep in mind he's a cb on the football team, as well...not exactly the tallest venter in the league) - i HOPE moore and williams take this "benching" and start to play to their potential - if they do, the monarchs will be alright
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 09:22:01 PM
95-46....10 minutes left..Yikes!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 03, 2006, 09:37:10 PM
CNU wins 115-57

Lots of bench play.....only 5 turnovers and 4 fouls....not a very physical game.
I only listened on radio......new guy seemed to play well. Billy Mac seemed to play a good game, too.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 11:55:04 AM
Random thoughts on the CNU – UMPI game.

Everything I comment on needs to be qualified by this disclaimer; we were playing Maine – Presque Isle. 

Obviously lots of high points in a double-up (115-57) game for the Captains.  It was quite a dunk fest in the Freeman. 

Every player on the team had double figure minutes except McShepherd, who had 9 because he was fighting a cold/flu, and he ended up with a double-double (16 and 10).  It almost seems unfair to send in a third team that is probably better than UMPI's starting team.

Davon Barton with a double-double and one assist shy of a triple.  I liked seeing him drive through the lane so often.  I guess any trepidation he had because of his earlier injury has passed. 

New guy Claxton showed me a lot.  We expected him to be able to score and rebound, which he did, but I was really pleased to see his willingness (or even eagerness) to give up the rock with GOOD passes.  That's a GREAT way to introduce yourself to a new team and fans.  We're glad to have you, Jahmar.

Don't look now, but Donta Selden is over 51% on the season from 3-point range (20 for 39).

Six players double figures in scoring, and NONE of them named Romeo.

What is McShepherd capable of?  He's got speed, sick handles, and tonight I saw a court awareness that really impressed me.  And, oh yeah, he's 6-9.  I hate seeing Matt Coleman in civvies, but I really like seeing McShepherd get a chance also.

Eastern Connecticut tonight.  I hope that the easy time we had last night won't make us unprepared.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 12:23:29 PM
Ill tell you this about McShepard, with Coleman hurt, he might get some playing time in the post, especially with his 6-9 frame. He was brought in originally to play a wing, imagine that, a  6-9 athletic wing, wow. But with Coleman hurt, I think the staff will make a move to him playing the 4 or 5, which he did well last night in 9 minutes of action.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 12:46:17 PM
CNU85 PAY ATTENTION!!

Saturday's game against Fisher is now at 8 PM and not 7:30 pm. I repeat, Saturday's game is now at 8 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 04, 2006, 12:46:17 PM
Saturday's game against Fisher is now at 8 PM and not 7:30 pm. I repeat, Saturday's game is now at 8 PM.

What are you doing to us, Goose?! :-\ ??? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 03:15:50 PM
Not my decision!!! There's a high school track me going on all day, I do know that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 04, 2006, 03:41:56 PM
pass that to your shot clock operator goose
thanks
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 04, 2006, 03:53:29 PM
I dont think youll have to worry about him finding out, considering who he sits next to and how many times the PA announcer will mention it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on January 04, 2006, 04:55:13 PM
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Donte Seldon is a great shooter and is just finding his role. last year he was trying to much to be Blake. Now hes just playing how he plays. He will get alot better from here too .. watch out ! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 04, 2006, 05:14:31 PM
I'll also make sure to remind him a bit.
;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 09:34:22 PM
Random thoughts on the Captain's 62-57 win over Eastern Conn. St. –

Free throws kept this game closer than it needed to be.  We made 43% in the 1st half, 53% in the 2nd, and 50% for the game (12 for 24).  I think I could bou...  well, you know.  Blasingame had a good game otherwise, but he made only 2 of 6 free throws.  He's way better than that.  He was shooting 82% until tonight.  Barton 0 for 2.  Lewis 4 for 7.  No one made all of their attempts.

The officiating was absolutely horrendous.  Those guys should have been required to clean the gym after this game as punishment for their incompetence.  Especially that little guy.  Once again, the calls were totally arbitrary. 

Davon Barton only played 21 minutes and was really missed.  We really need him in the lineup at crunchtime, and tonight he was on the bench in the closing minutes.  I guess CJ felt that he was just too ineffective playing with four fouls and let him sit.

Korey Lewis had a great 2nd half.  After an 0 for 3 1st half he puts together a 6 for 9 2nd to finish with 16 and 7.

Only 10 3-point attempts?!  We're supposed to be a perimeter-strong team and we played tonight like we didn't have any shooters.  Except for a key trey late, Romeo couldn't seem to get open.

McShepherd had some good (but brief) minutes.

How can Purdham play 13 minutes and only have 2 turnovers to show for it?!  No points, attempts, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, fouls.  Nothing in the box score but 2 turnovers.

Riley once again effective.  He's over 60% on fg% for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 04, 2006, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on January 04, 2006, 04:55:13 PM
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Be a little more specific about where the "small paragraph" is.  I can't find it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 05, 2006, 04:37:40 PM
Trying to figure out the next opponent.....here's some "stuff" I found...

they are 4-9.

common opponent was Maine - Presque Isle...they won by 15.

They beat Landmark college 128-27....that's right by 101!!!! Landmark shot 11/69  (15%).

Newcombe is a top scorer with 24 ppg (had 36 in MPI game).

nothing is a sure thing (Chestnut Hill), but I think they will find it tough in the Freeman
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 05, 2006, 05:32:19 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 05, 2006, 04:37:40 PM
common opponent was Maine - Presque Isle...they won by 15.

That probably says enough.  I am pretty confident we'll be 9-3 when we play Shenandoah.

How bad must Landmark College be?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 05, 2006, 05:41:45 PM
Westfield State beat Fisher 99-85.  I thought that Westfield St. looked like a pretty good team when they played ECtSt in the Freeman before our game against Maine-PI. 

I guess it could turn out to be another Chestnut Hill game, but I really, really doubt it.  And would that be so bad?  I was at that game and although I was pretty disgusted with the Captains it was pretty cool to see those CHill kids so elated.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 05, 2006, 05:52:19 PM
Quote from: captj on January 05, 2006, 05:32:19 PM
How bad must Landmark College be?!


I am NOT making this up:

Landmark College - The premier college for students with learning disabilities and AD/HD

Check out their website if you don't believe me.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 02:36:57 AM
I tell you all on thing, Greensboro College is not to be messed with. Thier record might not show but all that I know by watching them play they are a really athletic and physical team. What about the new guy? He is by far looking at the USA South stats one of the best shooters from behind the arch in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2006, 08:32:43 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 06, 2006, 02:36:57 AM
I tell you all on thing, Greensboro College is not to be messed with. Thier record might not show but all that I know by watching them play they are a really athletic and physical team. What about the new guy? He is by far looking at the USA South stats one of the best shooters from behind the arch in the league.

gullet - welcome to the board

are you talking about james newman?...i seem to remeber him playing last year, but i could be wrong - anyway, if you're talking about him being one of the top 15 shooters in the league, you're right - but statistically, i wouldn't call him "by far...one of the best shooters in the league" - here are the numbers from the usasac website as of this morning

3-POINT FG PCT (Min. 1.0 made per game)
## Player-Team                       G   3FG   FGA   Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------
1.TOWNSEND, Antwon-SUM.....9     27    48  .563
2.MCDANIEL, Cory-AUM...........12    29    56  .518
3.BROWN, Cameron-AUM........12    19    39  .487
4.HAGWOOD, Shaun-AUM........12    26    54  .481
5.SELDEN, Donta-CNUM...........11    20    42  .476
   FRAZIER, Ryan-AUM...............10    10    21  .476
7.THOMAS, Seth-MCM..............10    13    28  .464
8.GRIFFIN, Quan-SUM...............9     12    26  .462
9.LEE, Robert-MCM..................10    15    34  .441
10.JOHNS, Steven-SUM...............8     8    19  .421
11.ARRINGTON, Jarmel-NCWCM....9    20    49  .408
12.HARRIS, Keith-FCM...............12    22    55  .400
   WILLIAMS, Sterling-AUM.........12    14    35  .400
   RADMANOVIC, Dragan-MCM....10    12    30  .400
15.NEWMAN, James-GCM...........11    23    58  .397

no offense to gc, because i've heard they are improved over last year, but i'll tell you the team that SCARES ME...averett - we know they learned how to play some defense last year - look at the 3 pt shooting %'s above - there are 5 cougars in the top 15, and all of them have taken a good number of shots
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 09:35:07 AM
Quote from: captj on October 19, 2005, 11:40:51 AM
OK, here goes –

Final Conference Standing (returning players)
1) Methodist (Thomas, Grant, Lee, Radmanovich)
2) Averett (Williams, Boor, Brown, Gardener)
3) Ferrum (Johnson, Holley, Fuller, Harris)
4 tie) CNU (Romeo, Lewis, Selden)
4 tie) Shenandoah (Onunaku, Lawrence)
6) NC Wesleyan (Hall, Spears, Cobb)
7) Greensboro (Newton, Battle)


I agree with you narch; Averett is scary.  With so many guys that can shoot and Boor to do the dirty work, they could do very, very well.  Five guys with 3pt fg% 40% or higher, with four of the five WAY more than 40% and one of the five over 50%!

Conspicuously absent from this list... Jeremy Romeo.  I predict that by the end of the season he'll be top-5 and that Averett will only have 3 guys on this list, with no one on the list over 50%.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 10:54:38 AM
Taken from the USASAC website –

"The USA South Athletic Conference tournaments will get underway on Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2005 when the quarterfinals will be played at the higher seed of the two teams competing.  Then on Feb. 24 and 25 both the men's and women's semifinals and finals will be played at the Freeman Center on the campus of Christopher Newport University in Newport News, Va."

I like this format a whole lot better than the 3-day tournament we used last year.  This way the #1 seed still gets their bye, but it doesn't give them an advantage over the other teams in the 2-day tournament (semis and final).  This is NOT meant to diminish anything the Monarchs did last year, but rather just an observation; but last year the Monarchs played fresh against Shenandoah in the semis after Shenandoah had a close game against Greensboro the day before, then in the final played NC Wesleyan (who were playing their third game in three days).

Great idea, USASAC!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: narch on January 06, 2006, 08:32:43 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 06, 2006, 02:36:57 AM
I tell you all on thing, Greensboro College is not to be messed with. Thier record might not show but all that I know by watching them play they are a really athletic and physical team. What about the new guy? He is by far looking at the USA South stats one of the best shooters from behind the arch in the league.

gullet - welcome to the board

are you talking about james newman?...i seem to remeber him playing last year, but i could be wrong - anyway, if you're talking about him being one of the top 15 shooters in the league, you're right - but statistically, i wouldn't call him "by far...one of the best shooters in the league" - here are the numbers from the usasac website as of this morning

3-POINT FG PCT (Min. 1.0 made per game)
## Player-Team                       G   3FG   FGA   Pct
--------------------------------------------------------------
1.TOWNSEND, Antwon-SUM.....9     27    48  .563
2.MCDANIEL, Cory-AUM...........12    29    56  .518
3.BROWN, Cameron-AUM........12    19    39  .487
4.HAGWOOD, Shaun-AUM........12    26    54  .481
5.SELDEN, Donta-CNUM...........11    20    42  .476
   FRAZIER, Ryan-AUM...............10    10    21  .476
7.THOMAS, Seth-MCM..............10    13    28  .464
8.GRIFFIN, Quan-SUM...............9     12    26  .462
9.LEE, Robert-MCM..................10    15    34  .441
10.JOHNS, Steven-SUM...............8     8    19  .421
11.ARRINGTON, Jarmel-NCWCM....9    20    49  .408
12.HARRIS, Keith-FCM...............12    22    55  .400
   WILLIAMS, Sterling-AUM.........12    14    35  .400
   RADMANOVIC, Dragan-MCM....10    12    30  .400
15.NEWMAN, James-GCM...........11    23    58  .397

no offense to gc, because i've heard they are improved over last year, but i'll tell you the team that SCARES ME...averett - we know they learned how to play some defense last year - look at the 3 pt shooting %'s above - there are 5 cougars in the top 15, and all of them have taken a good number of shots



I am not refering to James Newman, he is an outstanding shooter. But there is one more that is in the top 2 but it does not show in the conference stats because he has not played in enough games to show up on the  site he is shooting 55% from the 3-point range and with  the combonation of those two we will be tough to beat. Not to mention this player can also go straight to the hole.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 03:31:36 PM
I do agree with you looking at the stats, I would be afraid of the cougars this year. I am not sure how many people that they had come back but the will defently be tough to deal with outside the key. But, overall I think it will be a real tight race throughout the whole conference this year. I know in my first year around GC last year ALL teams played alot stronger and tougher in the  conference season than they did in the non-conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 06, 2006, 03:19:37 PM
I am not refering to James Newman, he is an outstanding shooter. But there is one more that is in the top 2 but it does not show in the conference stats because he has not played in enough games to show up on the  site he is shooting 55% from the 3-point range and with  the combonation of those two we will be tough to beat. Not to mention this player can also go straight to the hole.

Is there some reason you're not telling us this mystery player's name?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: captj on January 06, 2006, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 06, 2006, 03:19:37 PM
I am not refering to James Newman, he is an outstanding shooter. But there is one more that is in the top 2 but it does not show in the conference stats because he has not played in enough games to show up on the  site he is shooting 55% from the 3-point range and with  the combonation of those two we will be tough to beat. Not to mention this player can also go straight to the hole.

Is there some reason you're not telling us this mystery player's name?


There is no reason why I  did not say the name I am just going to say that there is more than one, 1-2 punch on this years team Coach Guluiski has done a great job getting this years squad ready for battle in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 04:11:56 PM
What are the Caps looking like this year? CaptJ
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 04:45:34 PM
Gullett –

OK... you got me to bite.  I looked at the GC website and found that the primary player you're talking about is 6-0 senior guard, Steve Berg (13 of 24 from long for 54%).  I didn't know that a player could play for two teams in the same season.  "Mystery player" suits this guy perfectly.  He plays for Eckerd College for 3.5 years and then transfers?  What is up with that?  And he's from Florida, where Eckerd is located, not NC.  In 3 games he's averaged 18 pts, 6 rbs in 32 min per game.  It appears that GC went out and got them some offense.  Since he and Newman are the only players on the team averaging double figure points and GC is last in the conference in pts/gm, they needed to.

The Captains are still an enigma this year.  We've got lots of new faces, but some of them are showing us quite a lot.  My biggest concern, by far, going into this year was the pg position, but we've had that position very capably filled by Davon Barton, a local player from Hampton.  Some of the guys we expected to be the stars of the team haven't showed up yet, in my opinion.  Donta Selden is the heart and soul of the team.  He plays with so much intensity every second of the game (almost literally since he is our back-up pg also).  You can read a lot about what I think of the team by clicking on my username and then at the bottom of the page click on "Show the last posts of this person".  After almost every game I write down my "random thoughts".

Welcome to the board.  Are you a former player or are you affiliated with the school?  I see that you have a gboro.edu e-mail address.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 04:53:35 PM
I am a student here at the colllege that follows college basketball closely. I have alot of ties to the athletic department here at GC. I am not an atlete I just love athletics and some of the people on the board might know me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 06, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
aahhhh...an athletic supporter!!

welcome to da board....watch out for Captj and Narch - they remember EVERYTHING!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 06, 2006, 04:58:37 PM
Captj -

nice touch having the halftime stat sheet delivered to the President's Room.......thanks!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 05:04:13 PM
Does anyone in this confrernce talk on the Womens part of this site?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 06, 2006, 05:06:20 PM
Captj will only talk on the lady board when one of them slams one down.....heck, even Captj can bounce one in!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 05:27:33 PM
Thats ok...cnu85 what is your opinon on what is to come in the confernce this season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 06, 2006, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 06, 2006, 05:06:20 PM
Captj will only talk on the lady board when one of them slams one down.....heck, even Captj can bounce one in!

And 25 years ago I could slam one down too.  Better make that 30 years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 06, 2006, 09:49:28 PM
If Im not mistaken, didnt Coach Guluski come from Eckerd College?? I know he was a finalist for the GC job last year when Rusty LaRue beat him out for it.  So Im thinking thats the connection between the new kid and GC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2006, 10:19:46 PM
forgive me if i take an "i'll believe it when i see it" attitude about gc...i've heard about how good gc would be for a number of years and i've yet to see it - a few years ago they had a 7' wfu transfer and were one of d3's tallest teams...they weren't very good - then they bring in local hero and former nba player rusty larue along w/ another d1 transfer....they weren't very good - i still believe in my monarchs and i think a very tough sched, better chemistry and a more clearly defined rotation will lead to a little run that will hopefully start on sunday w/ piedmont - i'm looking forward to that game...from an x's and o's standpoint it is one of the toughest on the mc sched - coach glenn at pc played for and coached under coach smith, so he has a little familiarity w/ what mc does
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: captj on January 04, 2006, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on January 04, 2006, 04:55:13 PM
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Be a little more specific about where the "small paragraph" is.  I can't find it.

Perhaps he's talking about an item in the Daily Dose from Nov. 14, 2005:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=71
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2006, 10:53:15 PM
That is the connection of the two, Goose. All that I know is that the Monarchs lost thier main power this past season in Porter, he is gone so that will be a HUGE hole in the middle of that defense so we will have to see what they are on Wed. night when they make the trip into the madhouse on McGee St. on the campus of GC. The students will be back and it will be a dog fight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 07, 2006, 12:06:23 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 06, 2006, 10:53:15 PMAll that I know is that the Monarchs lost thier main power this past season in Porter, he is gone so that will be a HUGE hole in the middle of that defense so we will have to see what they are on Wed. night
you're right, and i may have underestimated the effect of losing porter would have on this team early...but i can assure you his defense is NOT what the monarchs are missing...sam porter was not a very good post defender - what the monarchs ARE missing is his rebounding ability, his desire to win and most of all, his LEADERSHIP - there are guys on this team that can replace all of those things if they just step up and do it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 08:24:42 AM
Gullett,

Do you want my public opinion or private? I've posted publicly that I felt CNU would fiish 12-13 and not see a post season gamein the Freeman. That comment took about 5 years of breath away from Captj. I felt at the time that CNU was going to have issues with being young, and when they get into tough games agaist tough teams they would fall apart. They didn't look good against then #5 VWC.

Privately (only Captj knows) my confidence has been given a boost. They played well and almost beat Lincoln. took 'em to OT. Lincoln is a top 25 team. I see a team chemistry developing. I see a leader on the floor in Selden. I see a Freshmen PG playing extremely well. I see Blasingame making the transition to college hoops very well. He looked lost the first game, slightly confused the second, and now he starts. He must be a smart kid. He's been great.

I see Romeo shooting the lights out, then goes into a funk on the road. Lots of road games coming up. Let's see what happens.

I see a team with solid starters in Barton, Seldon, Romeo, and Blasingame. Then I see a bench with not much drop off in areas. Lewis goes hot and cold and when he sits down, Ed Riley, Billy Mac, Coleman (when healthy) step right in. Even Dickerson was "bouncing" in some threes the other night.

I see a team that does not give up and that is the most fun aspect of their game to watch. I'm looking forward to conference play when the intensity picks up.
I predict a record close to last year...say......17-8 in the regular season. could be 19-7. It'll be tough to get a 20 win season.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 08:26:27 AM
Captj - do I get a Karma point for that post?????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 08:27:08 AM
I think CJ is trying to schedule Landmark College next year!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 07, 2006, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 06, 2006, 10:22:29 PM
Quote from: captj on January 04, 2006, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on January 04, 2006, 04:55:13 PM
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?

Be a little more specific about where the "small paragraph" is.  I can't find it.

Perhaps he's talking about an item in the Daily Dose from Nov. 14, 2005:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=71

Thanks, Pat.  And the item warrants a spotlight for those of us that missed it back in November so I'll paste it here –

Who are these guys? That's the theme of the season for Christopher Newport, which opens the season with Southern Virginia. They also play St. Joseph of Vermont, Maryland Bible, Fisher College (not St. John Fisher, of course), Maine-Presque Isle and Keystone, plus they will play either Maryland Bible or Southern Virginia a second time since both are in their Thanksgiving tournament. Sorry. Only one turkey at that tournament, and it's CNU's schedule, with a whopping one in-region non-conference game, five games against non-Division III members and two more against provisional D-III members.

To answer NewportPlayer3's question, I think that most of us are really disappointed with CNU's "cake" schedule.  I know that I am.  And frankly, I'd like to know WHY this has happened for the second year in a row.  Maybe CJ thinks this is what CNU fans want, I don't know.  Maybe he's had a hard time getting good teams to play us, which is what I used to hear years ago.  But I don't think anyone is scared of us now, and although it's nice seeing the team so often during the non-conference schedule, I would like to see our guys get a little tougher for away games and I would gladly give up a couple of our cupcake home games in order for that to happen.  Maybe it has something to do with the two tournaments we host each year.  For each one, CJ has to schedule not one team, but three.  Do all teams host tournaments like we do?  The most unworthy opponents we play seem to come in the opening round of these tournaments.  I don't know how much Days Inn is giving us for their tournament, but I'm guessing it isn't much.  And I'm certain it isn't worth it.

Anyway, I've posted most of these comments before, and have even suggested (lately) that we should try to get NCAA D1 & D2 teams on the schedule, but I don't think that CJ logs onto this website and he probably doesn't care what I think.  But if you do, CJ; I'm a fan who has dug into his wallet in a big way to support the Captains, and I want tougher teams in the Freeman (and on the road).  CNU has a history of champions, and the schedules we've had the last few years are not preparing us for that level of performance. 

Just say "NO" to Landmark College!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 07, 2006, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 08:26:27 AM
Captj - do I get a Karma point for that post?????

You sure do... it's nice having you back from the dark side.

Speaking of karma, who's dinging me again?  After I came to my senses regarding Pat it climbed out of red numbers, and I made a New Year's resolution to be a kinder, gentler poster this year, but I'm back in the red again.  Waddid I do?  Too much posting? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 11:05:33 AM
Dang...I've noticed lately that my Karma keeps going up, Yet every time I get on the board everyone else's drops one. I'll be back in 18 hours and see if it continues!!

;D ;D ;D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 07, 2006, 06:26:25 PM
The Cougars go down today in a tough one at HOME!! They drop a 79-77 decision to Piedmont.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 07, 2006, 10:24:05 PM
goose - that piedmont game wasn't as close as the score looks, either - pc had a double digit lead with under 2 minutes left - makes the pc game for the monarchs even more important/scary - beating them would be a nice win as they're 6-4 (4-2 in region) right now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 07, 2006, 11:19:46 PM
Thanks for the info narch, didnt know any details and I didnt listen to any of the game, just saw the score. Good luck tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 10:18:03 AM
Quote from: captj on January 07, 2006, 09:06:33 AM
I don't think that CJ logs onto this website and he probably doesn't care what I think. 

I think CJ Woollum DOES log onto this website and he definitely DOES care what I think.  Last night I was later than usual arriving for the Captain's game against Fisher and was still in my car when FT and Goose interviewed CJ before the game.  He went through all of the usual pre-game stuff and then addressed very directly, and at length, the complaints about CNU's schedule.  I swear it felt like he was talking to me, even though I'm certainly not the only one that has complained about the issue.  I can tell you this; he knows the schedule is weak, and it is not intentional.  He wants to schedule tougher competition but is unable to get teams to play us.  He said that he has offered to play away first in order to get the CAC and ODAC teams to play us, but that they just won't do it.  The only ODAC teams that have been willing to play us are RMC and VWC.  The only CAC teams I can remember playing is Salisbury and Marymount.  I think he's doing all he can do. 

All of this discussion about how difficult it is to put together a good schedule makes you really admire the teams that do so.  In checking out the CAC teams I looked at York (PA).  What a schedule they have!  They were at best a mediocre team for the three years before last year, when they went 28-4.  This year every opponent is an NCAA D3 team.  Non-conference games and last year's records – DeSales 20-8, Dickenson 8-17, Gettysburg 16-11, Albright 21-7, Juniata 9-16, Mount Union 14-13, Ursinus 18-10, Brockport St. 18-10, Lebanon Valley 20-7, Messiah 19-6, Hood 12-13.  Only 2 of these teams are out of their region.  Now this is a great schedule.  And you know what?  York has won all of these games this year except for the Hood game which hasn't been played yet.

Maybe the better teams really don't want to play the better teams.  Maybe York was able to put this schedule together when they were a mediocre team.  Maybe the foundation for this year's schedule was formed the year before last when they were 11-15.  Maybe good teams want to play mediocre teams in their non-conference schedule.

That's a lot of maybes.  I just know that you can't have it both ways.  We haven't had the greatest of success the last few years so surely teams aren't afraid of us now.  Let's see a schedule like York's next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 11:14:42 AM
Random thoughts on the CNU/Fisher game –

Fisher was simply outmatched and outmanned.  They dressed only 6 players.  Two of their guys are really, really good, but the rest were just not up for this level of play.

The Captains played really well.  I was glad to see a game without a lot of turnovers and with good shooting.  Fg% for the game was 55% vs. 36% for Fisher.

I really liked all the assists (31).  We seemed really willing to pass the ball to the open man.  Some of the assists were really, really nice.

Barton continues to impress.  13 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assts, 0 turnovers.  And for a change, he led the team in minutes instead of Selden.  This guy just doesn't play like a freshman.

After our last game I questioned Purdham's stats, and once again his stats aren't noteworthy.  But the guy was really hustling last night.  He forced a 5-second violation with his defense, had a really nice assist, and should have had another (even nicer) assist except the shooter missed the easy shot.  No turnovers and 1 steal.  And, oh yeah; it was his birthday.  Happy birthday, Adam.  And good game.

Romeo found his stroke.  3 for 6 from long.  He'd have been 3 for 5 without the ill advised attempt from almost half court that earned him an immediate spot on the bench.  Good defense, as usual. 

Selden becoming mere mortal again with his 3pt shooting.  It seemed like a quiet game from him (12 pts, 3 rebs, 5 assts, 0 tos, 2 blks, 1 stl).

Blasingame also continues to impress.  Another guy that doesn't play like a freshman.  He was 6 for 8 on fg attempts for 12 pts, 7 rebs, 5 blks.  He attempted one 3-pt shot that seemed to make the fans laugh for some strange reason.  The shot was barely off line, and I predict that he's going to begin taking more of those shots at some point in his future, maybe next year.  Remember Terry Gray, USASAC fans?

McShepard had 7 pts, 4 rebs, 2 blks, 2 assts in only 11 minutes.  But he also had 3 turnovers.  And, oh yeah; he too is just a freshman.

Claxton is so strong.  In the post-game interview CJ made a comment that Claxton would be a significant contributor in conference play.

Lewis with a good game.  I've never see a player have so many near-misses on his fg attempts.  It seems like every shot he misses is a rim out.

Riley also with a good game.  He continues to make the most of his shots.  His 5 for 8 shooting for 12 pts is right in line with what he's done all year (61% and 11 pts/gm).

We still can't seem to make free throws (4 for 8, 50%).

It hurts to see Matt Coleman sitting on the bench in civvies.  He was doing so much for the team before his injury.  Now I'm concerned that during his healing we've found some good lineup combinations (and a new player) and that when he's recovered he won't see the playing time that he had been getting.  His story is so great that it will ruin the Hollywood script if he doesn't come back and contribute like he had been.

Go Captains!  Beat Shenandoah!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 11:17:44 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 07, 2006, 11:05:33 AM
my Karma keeps going up, Yet every time I get on the board everyone else's drops one
That explains it.  Et tu, Brute?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 08, 2006, 07:26:03 PM
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 08, 2006, 07:41:06 PM
Keep all sharp objects away from narch. :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: dblock on January 08, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 08, 2006, 07:26:03 PM
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.

Im big on never putting down a eams vicory or blaming the refs for a loss...but CMU got away with one today and hey NYC knowing it. Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 08, 2006, 08:56:15 PM
let me start out by saying this...piedmont is a good team...well coached, disciplined, good shooters and they really play hard and hustle...the monarchs lost to the better team tonight

that being said, i saw some very troubling things today - the monarchs simply didn't play with much passion or intensity except for a short stretch in the second half (they happened to go on a NICE run when they played hard...imagine that) - there is very little post offense and the only guy who WANTS to rebound is shuford - coach smith shuttled guys in and out the entire first half, trying to find the right combo - by game 11 you'd hope that the right guys would have stepped up - individually, i think seth thomas has to be more aggressive and assert himself offensively...although he played solid, he didn't play like the conference poty (as i predicted) today and he only took 8 shots - if the monarchs don't play SIGNIFICANTLY harder on both ends, this will be a long season for mc

bright spots - i think coach smith found a good combination - the lineup of grant, lee, thomas, shuford and mcbryde played very well - shuford is amazing for a guy that's 6'2" - he pulled in 11 boards, had 3 blocks, 4 steals and scored 14 pts - he was all hustle and athleticism...i like his energy - mcbryde played well in spurts and had 12 and 9 - he seemed to wear out a bit (as did many of the monarchs...and pc played back-to-back road games...they should have been the tired team) and he made some frosh mistakes, but i think he'll be a good one in time - brian lane played some solid minutes as the back up pg and mcevoy played well defensively with 4 blocks - probably the best news...still undefeated in conference play :)

there is still a lot of work to do, but unfortunately not much time to do it - gc...you're on the clock...tick-tock

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0108.htm)
game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/piedmont.htm)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 08, 2006, 10:03:03 PM
Guys,

No doubt this is the most wide open USA South MB race in recent memory.

Save maybe NCW and Ferrum, I think everyone else has a shot and that includes my Pride. I wonder what the coaches' poll would be if taken today. Here's my poll.

1. SU -- 8-2 and seem to be only team that hasn't slumped
2. GC -- Best back court in USAS; Beat Piedmont in deep south
3. AU -- Beat Maryville but came back to earth lately
4. CNU -- Soft schedule will hurt Captains; Go on the road to play good teams if you have to.
5. MC -- Tough sched., but they're still really struggling
6. FC -- Still too early for Panthers
7. NCW -- Struggled all year


FYI, here's original poll:
2005 USA South Men's Basketball Coaches Poll
Rank, Institution (1st place Votes), Pts.
1. Methodist (6) 36
2. N.C. Wesleyan 30
3. Averett (1) 23
4. Christopher Newport 22
5. Shenandoah 18
T-6. Ferrum 9
T-6. Greensboro 9

That AU first place vore looks a lot better now!

Let the games begin!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 08, 2006, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: narch on January 07, 2006, 10:24:05 PM
goose - that piedmont game wasn't as close as the score looks, either - pc had a double digit lead with under 2 minutes left - makes the pc game for the monarchs even more important/scary - beating them would be a nice win as they're 6-4 (4-2 in region) right now

Narch, how could you say a 2-point game was not as close as the score indicates?  Averett had a shot to win it with five seconds left and a shot to tie at the buzzer.  I was at the game and it was very close.  The lead was nine with 1:48 to play, which isn't much with a pair of teams that like to get it up the floor as quickly as AU and PC.  I assure you, Piedmont was happy to come out of the Grant Center with a win and there wasn't much relaxing going on for either team late in the game.  That was a good, close, game between two very good teams.

Also worth noting, Averett missed at least 10 lay-ups and shot only 47 percent from the line...not a normal AU outing.  The Cougars had open looks, but just couldn't hit shots.  Unfortunately their defensive effort wasn't quite good enough to allow them to make it six straight against a very good Piedmont squad.

Coach Allen has this team playing very well, as the 9-3 start was the best in the program's history.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2006, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: dblock on January 08, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 08, 2006, 07:26:03 PM
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.

Im big on never putting down a eams vicory or blaming the refs for a loss...but CMU got away with one today and hey NYC knowing it. Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...

NYU had all the advantages in this one -- playing at home while CMU traveled twice this weekend, getting the no-respect card to play for its kids against the Top 25 team, two of CMU's top scorers for the game fouled out in overtime, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 09, 2006, 03:07:52 AM
Not to mention that CMUs best inside scorer has a broken left thumb and NYU had just killed Rochester by 18 (who was ranked higher than CMU).  NYU also shot something like 50% from the foul line on about 35 attempts, and Nate Maurer had his worst game of the season (5-21 from the floor and 6-12 from the FT line).  NYU lost because they didnt take advantage of their chances, they had plenty of oppurtunities to win they just didn't get it done.  Don't get me wrong, I think they are a great team and highly underrated due to their early cupcake schedule, but yesterday's game was one in which they just did not get it done.

I look forward to seeing how the CNU vs. CMU matchup is next saturday, Coach Wingen should have them riled up with the whole week to prepare.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 11:17:51 AM
Quote

Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...
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Welcome to dIII
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 09, 2006, 11:20:41 AM
Guys Lets Get a little chatter on what I posted I think it was yest.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 08, 2006, 10:03:03 PM
Guys,
2. GC -- Best back court in USAS; Beat Piedmont in deep south
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 08, 2006, 10:03:03 PM
Guys,

2. GC -- Best back court in USAS; Beat Piedmont in deep south

you're on drugs...I'll let Captj and Narch tell you why!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
Not really in the mood right now to banter about what GC said. Maybe later.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 11:59:41 AM
85, Goose –

I think he's asking for us to join him in predicting final conference team standings, not his claim that GC has the best back court.  I think it would be interesting to get everyone's revised predictions now that we're essentially finished with our non-conference schedules.  I'll come up with mine by tomorrow, certainly before the Shenandoah game (even though knowing the outcome of that one would help me a lot).

But if I'm wrong... we'll need from him to be more specific.  What is the GC backcourt that you are talking about?  Newman/Greene?  Newman/McDuffie?  Newman/Berg?  Collectively?  Give us some parameters for discussion.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 09, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
Not really in the mood right now to banter about what GC said. Maybe later.

Cheer up, Goose!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 12:18:41 PM
Goose - I just gave you a Karma point!! Made your day, huh?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 12:19:58 PM
Captj,

I'll work on my stuff, too. But in the end, if anyone thinks GC will finish #2....well, they're on drugs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 12:33:32 PM
Awww thanks 85, your so sweet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 12:19:58 PM
Captj,

I'll work on my stuff, too. But in the end, if anyone thinks GC will finish #2....well, they're on drugs!

I think you're right... I haven't done mine yet but I think they'll be around 4 or 5.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 09, 2006, 02:16:17 PM
aucougars - i simply meant to say that piedmont led by double digits almost the entire game and au needed a few desperation 3's along with some poor execution by pc down the stretch to make it as close as it was

gullet...i'll take the bait - here is my projection:

1. su - good post play - solid schedule
2. cnu - good inside-out play, soft schedule has built confidence, too young to win it all, but will be very good down the road if cj can keep the pups together
3. au - great perimeter play - good win vs. m'ville, but otherwise soft schedule
4. mc - need to find a post player ASAP and need thomas to step up...if those things happen, they could go to #1
5. gc - i'll believe they are contenders when i see it
6. ncwc - tough schedule and a young team...could the schedule be TOO tough and take some confidence?
7. fc
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 02:29:48 PM
CaptJ's mid-season USASAC prediction

1) CNU (9-3) Lots of team harmony and some BIG pre-season concerns answered
2) Averett (9-4) They just scare me
3) Methodist (2-9) The best team on paper doesn't always win
4) Shenandoah (8-2) They have some quality wins under their belt
5) Greensboro (4-7) Also have some quality wins
6) NC Wesleyan (2-9) Too many losses, underachievers again (at least until tournament)
7) Ferrum (4-9) Just not impressed

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 02:50:06 PM
OK...I've remained quiet, I haven't said much because its been out of conference play and I've been to busy to try to get a blurb in on yalls discussion. But with conference play being 2 days away, I had to add my 2 cents. I'm sure you all know it was coming anyway. Now this is just a warning but I'm gonna be getting on some, more than others, not saying you other people are safe, but I've got a couple things to say and some fires to start. (Besides I cracked on one of my own SU fans earlier, which I'll address further down.) If you have a problem with it then obviously you've never read anything I've posted in the past and don't know that I could care less.  ::) Bring some water its about to get HOT in here.

First of all, ALL the coaches read the post on this board, if the head coaches don't read it, than the assistants do, if they don't than the SID's do and report to them. Why? Because coaches want feedback too, there isn't 1 coach who has a perfectly sound program that even a little feedback isn't needed. This page is the easiest way of getting opinions and comments on coaching style "without knowing who they are". Last year I was asked by a coach to watch what I say because and I quote "dude, the primary objective hasn't been reached yet". Sorry coach, its a new year!!

And the players....wheww.. the players definitely read this page because they wanna know if their the "talk" of the page. I was recently informed that a certain player thought I was trashing his garbage game when I was actually talking about a fellow SU poster with the same name. Hmm...I'm willing to bet the reason he thought this was because he didn't read into what was said. One day while skipping or in class he probably jumped on the page to see who said what, thought he saw his name and got mad. Didn't look into what was actually said because it IS pretty funny and was an inside joke between me and B-SPEARS. But I digress because after looking at it, I suppose I could be right about the other guy. :o

(Hmm...getting a little warm in here)

Next...oh yea this whole strength of schedule thing is bogus. Sure if any D3 team went out and played Duke, NOVA, Memphis or any D1 school in the top 10, it'd be a little lop sided. Point is, teams aren't losing because its the strength of schedule, its the strength of heart. Teams who want the W more win it. I'm sure some loses can be credited to the "oh we're gonna blow these guys out" perspective. If a team shows up to play and plays like they want the W, then they'll get the W. Aside from CNwho's schedule of-course. :o

LEADERSHIP is the name of the game and right now no-ones leading Methodist. Don't get mad because you know I'm right. Porter led yall last year, as he went the team went. Sometimes he'd have to carry the team which is what a leader should do. Right now the void still needs to be filled for yall and I'm sure someone will eventually step up. Coaches play a big part in being leaders but they can't do it all. My coach would tell us " I can't take and make the shots for you, but I can put you in position to take the best shot possible". And 9 out of 10 times he was right, its on-court leadership that some teams are lacking and it shows in their record. A team that practices harder, argues lesser, and works as 1 cohesive unit will win more games than the team with 5 hot heads who don't see things eye to eye on and off the court. CNwho has always had leadership, SU has always had leadership, right now someones leading Averett, MC always has leadership (just having trouble finding it right now), usually NC Wes. has leadership, and back when GC had M. Morgan yep they definitely had leadership.

Biggest OOC surprise thus far goes to Averett at 9-4 they're playing well and it seems like they have some shooters. I'm not saying the 1 vote yall got is something, because look at where SU was ranked preseason. Good luck to the cougars. Definitely gonna be at this game.

(Here's a coaching hint...just a thought but instead of the match up man 2 man, shift to a 3-2 zone with the high outside players sliding to the middle when the balls on the farside of the court. If a man slips to the corner for the 3, have the low man go get him but everyone else has to ROTATE. This won't work if your team doesn't talk though. Hell, might not work anyway. Its just a thought, I'm no coach. YET!)

The award for the poorest OOC performance goes to....NC Wes.. The strength of schedule thing is out the window because they've had double digit leads and blew it. You can't blame the coaching on that.

(Its like a fireplace in here....screw it lets throw another log on)

-Some Sarcasm..
Someone explain to me how Ferrum (4-9) has a better record than both Methodist and NC Wes.. Which by the way were picked 1 and 2 in the USA South in preseason polls. Since I've already addressed Methodist, lets switch gears. Its surprising to see that the leaders on the team aren't the seniors, its definitely not the juniors. But the sophomore and freshman seem to be handling things.Hall and Arrington are averaging 16 and 14 respectively, better hope these guys don't get hurt or it'll be a long season for the Bishops. Thompson is molding these 2 guys into players, as both shoot the 3 well and can take care of the ball. Now all he needs to do is find 3 more.

You know its bad when you can tell the opposing team "easy win for you guys tomorrow, good luck in the championship" and be right. Or watch 12 minutes of game then be able to predict exactly what the end result will be and I've got witnesses on this one...wait a minute... what a coinsidence.. 12  ;D

(It's like someone set the temperature on hell in here)

Can one of you CNwho fans remove your lips from Romeo's and CJ's butt and tell me whats up with Purdham. He was pretty good in high school and I figured he's waited his turn.

(I think I hear the fireman coming)

Lastly....

HOW about them Hornets at 8-2 going into Wednesday vs. CNwho. Coach Harris and staff have the fellas thinking they can win, not to mention they're playing very well right now. Onunaku has emerged as a leader with supporting roles from Johns, Hale, Townsend, Griffin and Lawrence. But I can't discredit the team because everyone's doing their part and playing good team ball. I also see that  James Brodie is back this year, if I recall he played pretty well 2 years ago. Its always good when you have a big body who runs the floor well and have a good touch on his shot. Watch for Onunaku, Lawrence and Brodie to turn some heads inside the paint. While Townsend, Griffin, Hale and Johns, hurt yall from outside.

Might have to make the trip to CNwho.

For all you posters....

Lets look at LAST YEAR and give our thoughts on who we thought would emerge as a leader this year. Total of 3...2 leaders and 1 alternate.


Until tommorrow....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 02:55:29 PM
OK...I've remained quiet, I haven't said much because its been out of conference play and I've been to busy to try to get a blurb in on yalls discussion. But with conference play being 2 days away, I had to add my 2 cents. I'm sure you all know it was coming anyway.  ;D Now this is just a warning but I'm gonna be getting on some, more than others, not saying you other people are safe, but I've got a couple things to say and some fires to start. (Besides I cracked on one of my own SU fans earlier, which I'll address further down.) If you have a problem with it then obviously you've never read anything I've posted in the past and don't know that I could care less.  :o  Bring some water its about to get HOT in here.

First of all, ALL the coaches read the post on this board, if the head coaches don't read it, than the assistants do, if they don't than the SID's do and report to them. Why? Because coaches want feedback too, there isn't 1 coach who has a perfectly sound program that even a little feedback isn't needed. This page is the easiest way of getting opinions and comments on coaching style "without knowing who they are". Last year I was asked by a coach to watch what I say because and I quote "dude, the primary objective hasn't been reached yet". Sorry coach, its a new year!! 8)

And the players....wheww.. the players definitely read this page because they wanna know if their the "talk" of the page. I was recently informed that a certain player thought I was trashing his garbage game when I was actually talking about a fellow SU poster with the same name. Hmm...I'm willing to bet the reason he thought this was because he didn't read into what was said. One day while skipping or in class he probably jumped on the page to see who said what, thought he saw his name and got mad. Didn't look into what was actually said because it IS pretty funny and was an inside joke between me and B-SPEARS. But I digress because after looking at it, I suppose I could be right about the other guy.  :o

(Hmm...getting a little warm in here)

Next...oh yea this whole strength of schedule thing is bogus. Sure if any D3 team went out and played Duke, NOVA, Memphis or any D1 school in the top 10, it'd be a little lop sided. Point is, teams aren't losing because its the strength of schedule, its the strength of heart. Teams who want the W more win it. I'm sure some loses can be credited to the "oh we're gonna blow these guys out" perspective. If a team shows up to play and plays like they want the W, then they'll get the W. Aside from CNwho's schedule of-course.

LEADERSHIP is the name of the game and right now no-ones leading Methodist. Don't get mad because you know I'm right. Porter led yall last year, as he went the team went. Sometimes he'd have to carry the team which is what a leader should do. Right now the void still needs to be filled for yall and I'm sure someone will eventually step up. Coaches play a big part in being leaders but they can't do it all. My coach would tell us " I can't take and make the shots for you, but I can put you in position to take the best shot possible". And 9 out of 10 times he was right, its on-court leadership that some teams are lacking and it shows in their record. A team that practices harder, argues lesser, and works as 1 cohesive unit will win more games than the team with 5 hot heads who don't see things eye to eye on and off the court. CNwho has always had leadership, SU has always had leadership, right now someones leading Averett, MC always has leadership (just having trouble finding it right now), usually NC Wes. has leadership, and back when GC had M. Morgan yep they definitely had leadership.

Biggest OOC surprise thus far goes to Averett at 9-4 they're playing well and it seems like they have some shooters. I'm not saying the 1 vote yall got is something, because look at where SU was ranked preseason. Good luck to the cougars. Definitely gonna be at this game.

(Here's a coaching hint...just a thought but instead of the match up man 2 man, shift to a 3-2 zone with the high outside players sliding to the middle when the balls on the farside of the court. If a man slips to the corner for the 3, have the low man go get him but everyone else has to ROTATE. This won't work if your team doesn't talk though. Hell, might not work anyway. Its just a thought, I'm no coach. YET!)

The award for the poorest OOC performance goes to....NC Wes.. The strength of schedule thing is out the window because they've had double digit leads and blew it. You can't blame the coaching on that.

(Its like a fireplace in here....screw it lets throw another log on)

-Some Sarcasm..
Someone explain to me how Ferrum (4-9) has a better record than both Methodist and NC Wes.. Which by the way were picked 1 and 2 in the USA South in preseason polls. Since I've already addressed Methodist, lets switch gears. Its surprising to see that the leaders on the team aren't the seniors, its definitely not the juniors. But the sophomore and freshman seem to be handling things.Hall and Arrington are averaging 16 and 14 respectively, better hope these guys don't get hurt or it'll be a long season for the Bishops. Thompson is molding these 2 guys into players, as both shoot the 3 well and can take care of the ball. Now all he needs to do is find 3 more.

You know its bad when you can tell the opposing team "easy win for you guys tomorrow, good luck in the championship" and be right. Or watch 12 minutes of game then be able to predict exactly what the end result will be and I've got witnesses on this one...wait a minute... what a coinsidence.. 12   :o

(It's like someone set the temperature on hell in here)

Can one of you CNwho fans remove your lips from Romeo's and CJ's butt and tell me whats up with Purdham. He was pretty good in high school and I figured he's waited his turn.

(I think I hear the fireman coming)

Lastly....

HOW about them Hornets at 8-2 going into Wednesday vs. CNwho. Coach Harris and staff have the fellas thinking they can win, not to mention they're playing very well right now. Onunaku has emerged as a leader with supporting roles from Johns, Hale, Townsend, Griffin and Lawrence. But I can't discredit the team because everyone's doing their part and playing good team ball. I also see that  James Brodie is back this year, if I recall he played pretty well 2 years ago. Its always good when you have a big body who runs the floor well and have a good touch on his shot. Watch for Onunaku, Lawrence and Brodie to turn some heads inside the paint. While Townsend, Griffin, Hale and Johns, hurt yall from outside.

Might have to make the trip to CNwho.

For all you posters....

Lets look at LAST YEAR and give our thoughts on who we thought would emerge as a leader this year. Total of 3...2 leaders and 1 alternate.


Until tommorrow....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 03:07:09 PM
PS- That nonsense about GC with the best back court in the conference.  Yea right...and if I walked to work I'd make it there faster.

My predictions......
SU 8-2 with a solid schedule big bodies inside, shooters on the outside. Makes a good combo.
Averett 9-4 they've got things turned around.
MC 2-9 despite their record they always play well in the conference.
CNU 9-3 like Narch said, to young to win it all.
GC 4-7 only if their great backcourt keeps them ahead.  ;D
NCW 2-9  Capt said it best....underacheivers again.
FC 4-9 look for them to lose 1st 3 of 4 conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 09, 2006, 03:29:33 PM
GC has a three guard starting lineup PG Mike McDuffie (9 ppg, 3 apg), James Newman (15.5 ppg), and Steve Berg (18 ppg, 13-24 threes). Add big guard Geroge Greene off the bench (9 ppg, 5 rpg) and you the best back court in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 03:38:18 PM
Barton (FR)
Selden (JR)
Romeo (SR)
Lewis (JR)
Blasingame (FR)

Purdham (SR)
Riley (SO)
Claxton (JR)
McShepherd (FR)
Dickerson (SO)

This is our 2-deep team right now... 2 seniors, 3 juniors, 2 sophomores, and 3 INCREDIBLE freshmen.  Think back... there have been some really outstanding freshmen in recent USASAC history.  Kenny Johnfon was 3rd leading scorer in the conference last year, Trayvon Lathan was arguably the best player in the league the year before, and Mark Hepner made a huge impact as a freshman the year before,  My point is; this conference has a history of great freshman.  I'm not worried a bit that Barton, Blasingame, and McShepherd are freshmen.  They've got 12 games under their belts now.

I don't think this is so much a YOUNG team as it is a team with some players who haven't played at CNU for long.  Claxton and Riley have collegiate experience, just not at CNU.  And five of these guys DO have CNU experience.  Maybe I'll go back and see what the experience levels were for some of the USASAC's past champions.  Without checking, I'm guessing that we're not such a "young" team at all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 04:05:58 PM
Wow, last time i was on here it was dead and I was going to liven it up (if you call it that) by telling you all Marcus Vick was arrested in suffolk last night!! But now I dont need too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 04:40:48 PM
Shotblocker.....that wasn't firesetting. In fact, it was very interesting reading. Thanks for the insight on some things I wasn't aware of. As for Purdham...he's still a good player. His role at CNU is to come off the bench and man up on somebody. He's an extremely talented defensive player.

I like your comments about leadership. You're absolutely correct in saying that without it, it doesn;t really matter how much talent you have.

Anyway - good post.

Goose - It doesn't matter if MV-2 got arrested..."I'm going pro".....he doesn't have to follow rules anymore since he no longer plays for the VT Hoodlums!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 09, 2006, 06:11:54 PM
Hey shotblocker, buy a vowel from Goose.  Between the two of you, you got it right.

From shotblocker's post – "CNU 9-3 like Narch said, to young to win it all."

From Goose's post – "But now I dont need too."

Sell him that extra o, Goose.

I'm sorry guys, I couldn't resist.  After all; we're starting fires now.  Go ahead and ding my karma.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 08:52:26 PM
you got a plus karma from me captj...I love you're way of dinging they're grammar  - your the king - their no match for you!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 09:18:44 PM
Captj - in an earlier post you mentioned playing a d1 school. I noticed SU is playing Longwood in Feb. I started to think about teams CNU could play...how about anyone in the MEAC? Their top team (2-0 in conf) is 4-10. Their out of conf schedule for the entire MEAC is 17-93. Bring on Coppin St. !!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 09, 2006, 10:07:17 PM
smite you all mighty smiter!!

Great comments from sushotblocker, I figured it was a skimmer, but i read the entire thing and enjoyed most of it, except the cnwho part of course.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 10, 2006, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 02:55:29 PM
Next...oh yea this whole strength of schedule thing is bogus. Sure if any D3 team went out and played Duke, NOVA, Memphis or any D1 school in the top 10, it'd be a little lop sided. Point is, teams aren't losing because its the strength of schedule, its the strength of heart. Teams who want the W more win it. I'm sure some loses can be credited to the "oh we're gonna blow these guys out" perspective. If a team shows up to play and plays like they want the W, then they'll get the W. Aside from CNwho's schedule of-course.

do you REALLY think that if maryland bible simply WANTED the game more than cnu, they would win???  while i agree that you've got to WANT to win, i think who you play has a lot to do with a w/l record - this is not a knock on cnu, just an observation...mc might have just two or three losses right now if they had played cnu's schedule...would everyone be writing a 10-2/9-3 monarch squad off as they are writing off a 2-9 squad right now? - i think not

Quote from: sushotblocker04 on January 09, 2006, 02:55:29 PM
LEADERSHIP is the name of the game and right now no-ones leading Methodist. Don't get mad because you know I'm right. Porter led yall last year, as he went the team went. Sometimes he'd have to carry the team which is what a leader should do. Right now the void still needs to be filled for yall and I'm sure someone will eventually step up.

i don't think i'll get mad, especially since i said virtually the same about 5 or 6 posts ago - sam porter was the emotional rock for this team the last few years, and i knew there would be a void, i just assumed someone would step up and fill it - right now, nobody has - i think that guy NEEDS to be seth thomas or eugene grant, but on sunday it looked like antwin shuford, of all guys could be the emotional leader...the team certainly seemed to feed off him when he was on the court and he plays HARD - right now i don't care WHO leads this team, but someone NEEDS to step up

captj - you know i GAVE you a karma point for the grammar thing :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:10:34 AM
Thanks to narch and 85 for the plus-ones.  Goose dinged me (deservedly) as expected, but so far shotblocker hasn't.  So for now I'm plus-one for the post, much better than I expected.  85's response was just about the funniest thing I've ever red.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 10, 2006, 09:10:37 AM
Im not writing off Methodist yet. They could be 0-11 and I still wouldnt worry. Now if you open conference play up tomorrow with a loss at Greensboro, then I may start to worry, but not quite in full worry mode, but close.

I forgot this was English class, my bad.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 09, 2006, 09:18:44 PM
Captj - in an earlier post you mentioned playing a d1 school. I noticed SU is playing Longwood in Feb. I started to think about teams CNU could play...how about anyone in the MEAC? Their top team (2-0 in conf) is 4-10. Their out of conf schedule for the entire MEAC is 17-93. Bring on Coppin St. !!!!!!

Great idea.  Hampton and Norfolk St. are right in our back yard.  I'd love to see either of those games.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 10, 2006, 09:10:37 AM
I forgot this was English class, my bad.

It's not, of course.  But when I read the to posts almost back too back I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: narch on January 10, 2006, 08:24:44 AM
do you REALLY think that if maryland bible simply WANTED the game more than cnu, they would win???  while i agree that you've got to WANT to win, i think who you play has a lot to do with a w/l record - this is not a knock on cnu, just an observation...mc might have just two or three losses right now if they had played cnu's schedule...would everyone be writing a 10-2/9-3 monarch squad off as they are writing off a 2-9 squad right now? - i think not


I'm with you narch.  You can't win just because you want to.  Sure, you can catch a better team on an off night, or when they might not have as much motivation to win.  But if two mismatched teams with equal "strength of heart" play each other, the better team almost always wins.  And I'm not going to minimize any team's will to win.  I don't think that the good teams have less of it than in those of lesser talent.  I think that shotblocker's error lies in assuming that other teams aren't as strong of heart as his guys.  Or himself, for that matter.  I can tell from his posts that he's a pretty fiery guy.  I bet he competed with as much desire to win as anyone. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 10:56:01 AM
Hey, I just made the radio!!!

I'm a Real Man of Genius.....I'm Mr. Nosebleed Basketball Season Ticket Holder!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 10:56:01 AM
Hey, I just made the radio!!!

I'm a Real Man of Genius.....I'm Mr. Nosebleed Basketball Season Ticket Holder!!!

This Bud's for you!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 11:43:16 AM
Some basketball stuff.....I noticed in the last game (only because the crowd was small) that Riley talk sit up alot on the court. He seems alert and understands the system. He was in control at one point when all the guys on the court were first year CNU players. It will be fun to watch him progress.

also - with all the new faces...does anybody have opinions on how these guys will turn out out in 3 more years. Are there any Sinclairs or Grays in the mix?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 11:43:16 AM
with all the new faces...does anybody have opinions on how these guys will turn out out in 3 more years. Are there any Sinclairs or Grays in the mix?

Although this discussion is VERY premature, I'll bite. 

We definitely don't have any Antoine Sinclairs.  Antoine would have gone to a D1 school if he had gone to a larger high school.  Having him in a CNU uniform for four years was quite a gift.

I think that Barton has the chance to be our best pg since Steve Artis.  Our pg's after Artis didn't do what Davon is doing as freshmen.  Holland, Bolton, Haskins and Brookman were all good (to very, very good), but they didn't even start as freshmen.  He's showing so much maturity on the court, and he's got some big-time talent.  He seems so confident and in control, all of the time, and that's something that you need in a pg.  And I like it that he's 6-2 (and plays like it).  He can drive into the trees and not get swallowed up.

Our other starting freshman (Blasingame) is also really impressing me.  He still reminds me a lot of Mark Hepner, but I think he will be better.  He has incredible instincts for shot blocking (like Gray).  Hepner never lead the team in blocks.  He also seems to have a pretty good shooting touch (like Gray), and I think that over time his range and confidence will increase until he's at the top of the key knocking down treys like Terry did, forcing the big defender to come out to pick him up.  And then... bang!  Barton takes his smaller defender inside for the easy lay up.

Now... about McShepherd.  The biggest question mark on our team is this guy.  He's every bit of the 6-9 he's listed at, but he wants to play on the perimeter (and has the skills to do so).  I'm impressed by his court awareness.  If he could put on a little bit of weight (and get a little stronger) without losing his speed, then the sky's the limit for this guy.  But I think that we've got to get him into the post. 

Overall, I am extremely happy with the job that CJ did recruiting this year.  I was so concerned about the pg position and now I consider that one of our strengths.  I was also concerned that Lewis wasn't going to have the help he needs at the post, but now I feel like we're strong there as well. 

Now, we just need for Romeo to play at the level that he's capable of (or even at that of last year), and we'll be in great shape for the conference schedule ahead.

Go Captains!  Beat Shenandoah!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 10, 2006, 03:21:35 PM
Wow, how the mighty have fallen. Its been a while since I logged on and MC still is in a slump  ???. Narch I haven't seen any games lately so can you tell me whats going on with Methodist
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 03:49:11 PM
hoopshops, welcome back.....the answer to your question depends on the person you ask....if you ask Narch - MC is looking for a leader, if you ask Shotblocker - MC has no heart to win, if you ask someone else - it's the tough schedule...if you ask me, goos, and captj - mc will be just fine come conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 04:03:45 PM
hey captj....will the same person hand out the half time stats tomorrow night? I sure hope so!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 10, 2006, 04:22:27 PM
Oh lord, keep it in your pants, 85!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 10, 2006, 04:32:33 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 03:49:11 PM
hoopshops, welcome back.....the answer to your question depends on the person you ask....if you ask Narch - MC is looking for a leader, if you ask Shotblocker - MC has no heart to win, if you ask someone else - it's the tough schedule...if you ask me, goos, and captj - mc will be just fine come conference play.

Hey 85, time to increase the prescription for your glasses, apparently you read it wrong. I can tell you and Captj were'nt in the same english class, as he observed my spelling error, meanwhile you take it out of context. Not your fault then again its not my fault you couldn't follow. Lets try this again... My spiel about heart doesn't apply solely to MC, it applies to every team for every game. If I thought MC didn't have any heart to win, I wouldn't have said they'll finish 4th. I'm sure someone will step up and lead them to a respectable conference record. Just won't be better than SU's.  ;D

Appreciation shouts go out to all who read, understood and replied.

So before conference play starts...any rumors about teams. Who's joined a team since the semester started? Anybody quit a team since the semester started?

GO HORNETS!!!

BEAT CNwho!!!



ps- My opinion on VT's season in relation to MV-2. Not to take anything away from the O-line, D-line, DB's, Receivers, Tailback, Fullback, and Coaches. But in my opinion, their entire season was somewhat of a fluke. Capt. in-case you don't understand this one, I'm saying it was luck!. Why? Because Vick didn't play last year and Randall did just fine leading his team. Vick's definitely not playing college ball next year so yea...I say he got lucky this year. In order to be a good QB you have to prove yourself at-least 2 seasons. MV-2 has permanently damaged the family name. MV-1 went to bat for him saying stuff about how Marcus throws a better ball or something like that and MV-2 repays him like this? Heard Mike even flew down to bail him out. If I were MV-1 the 1st thing I'd have done when he came out of the jail would be something along the lines of a slap followed by a "what the hell is wrong with you!!".

But anyway, thats my opinion, back to basketball.

GO SU!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 10, 2006, 04:40:28 PM
Guys,

It is that time for the USA South Conference againg and here is tommorows games and my perdictions:

Shenandoah @ Christopher Newport=> I think that Shenandoah will knock off the captins in a close one

Averett @ Ferrum=> The Cougars Will Beat the Panthers

Methodist @ Greensboro=> GC will defeat the Monarchs


WHAT DO YALL PREDICT????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 04:45:01 PM
I think tomorrow night will answer some questions for CNU. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised. I just looked at SU's record and scores.......lost 1 by 1 and 1 by 5.....            8-2........

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 10, 2006, 04:48:31 PM
We will just have to see wont we captj.

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 04:58:17 PM
I think the bong hits have already started!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 10, 2006, 05:11:06 PM
hoopshops - i sent you a message on facebook...i gave you some information that isn't for public consumption :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 05:20:54 PM
Narch - I'm hurt. I didn't think we had any secrets between us!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:44:04 PM
Shenandoah @ Christopher Newport – Captains
Averett @ Ferrum – Averett
Methodist @ Greensboro – Greensboro; Monarchs not strong enough yet to win on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 04:03:45 PM
hey captj....will the same person hand out the half time stats tomorrow night? I sure hope so!!!!!

Sarah
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:50:05 PM
I see that shotblocker finally logged on and dinged me for being the grammar cop.  I promise that's the last time until at least the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 10, 2006, 05:59:46 PM
Quote from: sushotblocker04 on January 10, 2006, 04:32:33 PM
Capt. in-case you don't understand this one, I'm saying it was luck!. Why? Because Vick didn't play last year and Randall did just fine leading his team.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that I don't understand what you were saying.  Maybe you just didn't express yourself in the rambling.  Think maybe that could be it?  You said, "Teams who want the W more win it."  That's a pretty straight-forward statement.  I just don't agree.  In fact, I don't think YOU took time to read with an open mind what narch and I were saying.  And who brought up football?  Take it to the other board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 10, 2006, 11:09:38 PM
Im going to go out on a limb and say Averett beats Ferrum. CNU will win at home against Shenandoah and, Im going to go against the grain and say Methodist rights the ship and goes to G'boro and pulls out a close one in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: dblock on January 11, 2006, 12:43:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2006, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: dblock on January 08, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 08, 2006, 07:26:03 PM
FYI CNU Fans, Carnegie Mellon goes to NYU and defeats them in double OT to improve to 12-1. NYU was unbeaten headed into today's game.

Im big on never putting down a eams vicory or blaming the refs for a loss...but CMU got away with one today and hey NYC knowing it. Probably the worst job of officiating Ive ever seen...

NYU had all the advantages in this one -- playing at home while CMU traveled twice this weekend, getting the no-respect card to play for its kids against the Top 25 team, two of CMU's top scorers for the game fouled out in overtime, etc.
i agree that CMU had to travel, but honestly NYU didnt care about the no-respect cra cause we know that we are the better team. also our staring pf goes ou with an injury in the first half, we cant buy a call all game and then in the 1st min of the 2nd ot Jason Boone gets called for an absurd 5th foul. so while CMU lost Maurer and Wilcox NYU lost Falcon(1st half) and Jason Boone, and MIke DeCorso couldnt play the 1st half after 2 rediculous fouls called on him in the first 5 mins. Nyu had alot of opportunies but so did CMU, the cards just fell right for them...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 11, 2006, 01:02:17 AM
Gullett....its good to see you have a good thought process about the outcome of tommorrow.

SU @ CNwho....close game for the captains, look for it to slip out of their grasp around the 8 minute mark in the second half. W for SU!!!

Averett @ Ferrum.....Averett...looks like another long year for Ferrum.

Methodist @ GC..... Hmm tough one here. Methodist will slip in the 1st half, then come roaring back to win in OT, and then all the rumors about GC having the best back court will finally be put to rest.

GO SU.....beat CNwho are the captains!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 10:07:24 AM
Some thoughts from a non-expert about the Hornets –

All 5 starters scoring double figures with a pretty clearly defined second five.

The SU website calls Townsend "a point guard in the classic sense", but he is 3rd on the team in assists, has more TO's than ASST's, and leads the team in 3PT attempts and 3PT%.  No one else is even close.   At 5-8, I'm guessing that Selden will be on him like he was a 2-guard looking to shoot.

Lawrence is an atrocious free throw shooter (45%).  We may be able to shuttle big bodies in to really make him work for his points, especially if we can stay out of foul trouble elsewhere.

The Hornets are a good rebounding team (42.1 to 33.0 per game).  Even their 6-0 wing Fawehinmi collects 7.0 per game.

It's going to be interesting to see the defensive matchups that CJ goes with.  I'm guessing it will be Townsend/Selden, Johns/Barton, and Fawehinmi/Romeo, but I'm not sure how the post matchups will go.  I'm not sure which of the two Hornet post players (Lawrence & Onunaku) are more of a classic center, but I would think that whichever one that is will get Blasingame, and the other will get Lewis.

The Hornets as a team have just 144 ASST's to 193 TO's.  Not very good when you consider that the Captains are 263 to 177.  I think that TO's are going to be important in this game.  If the Captains don't win that battle we might be in trouble.

Lawrence and Onunaku lead the team in minutes (about 6 or 7 per game more than the back court players), which makes me think that they aren't that confident in their supporting big men.  Brodie hasn't gotten the minutes you'd expect from a former starter, and senior D2 transfer Miller could also be disappointed in his 8.5 per game.

The team as a whole hasn't played together very long.  Although there are lots of upperclassmen on the team, no player is in his 4th season at SU.  Of the 15 on their roster, 9 are in their 1st year, 3 in their 2nd, and 3 in their 3rd.  Two junior starters (Fawehinmi & Townsend) are 1st year Hornets. 

Rebounds and turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2006, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 10, 2006, 05:20:54 PM
Narch - I'm hurt. I didn't think we had any secrets between us!

'85 - you know i wouldn't tell you about the 2 guys who left the team this week, or about the d1 transfer that is on campus, but undecided about playing this semester...that's up to you to find out :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 10:19:15 AM
Quote from: narch on January 11, 2006, 10:12:19 AM
2 guys who left the team this week

That's 2 more besides Hairston?  Who?  Or am I being gullible?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 03:00:06 PM
CNU85 this is for you. Saturday's game with Carnegie Mellon has been moved to 12 NOON!!! Read the website for details.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 03:26:19 PM
Why have a schedule? just print tickets that have the opponents name and then have TBA for the time!!  Let me guess....they didn't realize there were NFL playoff games at night? What genious in the AD at CNU made up the schedule?

just joking....as they say on the football board...don't get your panties all wadded up.

12 noon, huh...that might interefere with my nap!

thanks for letting me know! Bean will probably announce it at the game tonight....

"Ladies and ge,.ffnnf fw....dnoiwon, Saturday's game wjfsdjfiek....qwepjfenvn...moved to... jadpnmpcniwdn"

"One minute left in the ballgame!!" I swear that's all I understand!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 04:42:13 PM
ODAC and USA South Announce Senior Basketball Challenge

(FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.) - The Old Dominion Athletic Conference and the USA South Athletic Conference announced today a partnership to conduct an ODAC/USA South Senior Basketball Challenge.  Each institution of the ODAC and the USA South with seniors on its roster will have a representative in the event. 

The ODAC and the USA South will alternate hosting the event with the USA South hosting the inaugural event March 22, 2006 at the Grant Center on the campus of Averett University in Danville, Va.  The conferences have united to conduct this exciting event to promote sportsmanship.  The ODAC and the USA South both place strong emphasis on sportsmanship at their athletic events.

Rita Wiggs, USA South Commissioner stated, "The USA South is pleased to be the host for the initial Senior Basketball Challenge between our two conferences.  The emphasis of the evening will be sportsmanship, respect and fair play.  Student-athletes are some of our most visible institutional representatives and this game will provide a valuable reward for our seniors as they expand collegiality through intercollegiate athletic competition."

"This is a great opportunity for both the ODAC and the USA South student-athletes to showcase their talents on the court -spotlighting conference-wide emphasis on sportsmanship and fair play," said ODAC Commissioner Brad Bankston.  "These seniors will be provided an additional opportunity to extend the hand of collegiate competition.  The league is excited to be involved in this valuable opportunity for our basketball student-athletes and looks forward to hosting this event in March 2007 on the campus of an ODAC member institution."

The 2006 ODAC/USA South Senior Basketball Challenge will get underway at 6 p.m. with the women's game followed by the men's game at 8 p.m.  Tickets will be $3 for adults and students will be admitted free with a valid student ID.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
Outstanding!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 05:15:29 PM
Captj, Narch - time to hit the books....do some research...my first reaction is that the ODAC will win. But that is soley based on the fact that VWC was ranked earlier in the year, HSC and RMC are currently ranked......and no USA South conf member  has even 1 vote......I'm too lazy to look any further...you guys spoil me!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 05:15:29 PM
Captj, Narch - time to hit the books....do some research...my first reaction is that the ODAC will win. But that is soley based on the fact that VWC was ranked earlier in the year, HSC and RMC are currently ranked......and no USA South conf member  has even 1 vote......I'm too lazy to look any further...you guys spoil me!

Rankings don't matter much if the higher ranked teams are strong because of non-seniors.  We'll need to come up with a roster for each team and then do the analysis.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:43:49 PM
And to do that we'll need to have some guidelines on HOW the teams are formed.  Unlimited players from every team?  Roster size?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:49:07 PM
From CNU -

Adam Purdham
Jeremy Romeo

Help me fill out the roster, guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 05:49:56 PM
I'm glad that they started the USA South ODAC Challenge any thoughts on this years team for the USA South. Who should be picked?

Picks for tonights games.

MC over GC
MC starts a new with a conference win

CNU over SU
CNU is always tough at home

AU over FC
No comment
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 05:50:53 PM
CaptJ,

Eugene Grant & Seth Thomas from MC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:54:08 PM
Nigel Kelly is the only Ferrum senior and doesn't even average 5 minutes per game.  Do we have to put him on the team anyway?

You other guys look up the other teams that don't have posters.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 05:55:45 PM
Eugene Grant (MC)
Seth Thomas (MC)
Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Adam Purdham (CNU)
Nigel Kelly (FU) ??????????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 06:13:09 PM
Maybe we should allow juniors.

Onyie Onuaku from SU and the NCW juniors.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 06:45:57 PM
Quote from: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 06:13:09 PM
Maybe we should allow juniors.

Onyie Onuaku from SU and the NCW juniors.  ;)

I'm pretty sure that it's a senior event and I'm positive it's not up to us.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 06:49:10 PM
Thats FC captj!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 06:49:44 PM
I believe as Pat mentioned before, they would lose a year of eligibility if a junior played in that game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 08:22:06 PM
Methodist is up 35-23 at Greensboro at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 11, 2006, 09:23:16 PM
CNU 70, Shenandoah 66
Methodist 72, Greensboro 68
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wildbill on January 11, 2006, 09:39:35 PM
CNwho beats ShenanDOH!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 09:41:12 PM
uh-oh
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 09:48:23 PM
Gullett is in his dorm room doing bong hits!

Hey - I haven't seen SU this year to compare tonight's game. CNU had an off night - Romeo 1-6 from 3, the team shoots 52% from the foul line...11 TO at the half....and still won. I would think SU had an off night as well. If not, other than 1 player, I wasn't impressed. SU is small and yet CNU's big men were running with SU. If you're gonna play small, you better play faster than that.

Blasingame - WOW!!! 15 pts, 13 rebs, 4 or 5 blocks....nice touch from the FT line.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 09:52:34 PM
Look out!! I'm 3-0 in my conference picks tonight!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hoopshops on January 11, 2006, 09:55:58 PM
Good job Monarchs way to get back in the winning column. Hey, I'm 3-0 in my picks not a bad way to start  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 11, 2006, 11:27:16 PM
Random thoughts on CNU (10-3, 1-0) over Shenandoah (8-3, 0-1)

Ladies and gentlemen of the USASAC, allow me to introduce you to Mr. Mark Blasingame.  15 pts., 13 rebs, 5 blks, 36 minutes of terror for the SU post players.  Onyie (6 pts) is going to have nightmares about a 6-8 freshman repeatedly rejecting him.

I'd like to revise my prediction for USASAC POTY.

I predicted it would come down to rebounds and turnovers... we won the rebound battle, but lost the turnover battle big-time.  A stifling defense won this one for us.  SU 35% fg for the game.

Free throws are going to cause us to lose a heartbreaker at some point this season.  52% for the game.  2 for 9 in the last two minutes of the game when SU was fouling us to get back into it.  It almost worked.  Read that last part again... 2 for 9 in the last two minutes of the game!

Officiating horrible, blah, blah, blah.  That bald guy must have thought he was on TV.  Waving his arms wildly, pointing repeatedly where the player stepped out of bounds, then literally throwing his entire body to signal the turnover in the other direction.  What a clown.  It's called BASKETBALL, not officiating.  The game isn't about you.

Townsend has game, but he also has a license to foul.  After 39 minutes of hacking, moving picks and body fouls, the zebras finally called him for the very first time when he tackled our guy to stop the clock.  I guess when you're 5-8 the refs let you get away with a little bit.

Great defense from Riley.  I think he'll be in Onyie's nightmares also. 

Good efforts from Claxton, Purdham, Barton, Lewis.  An off night for Selden.  A tough night for Romeo, even though he put up 15 points.  It seemed he had a Hornet in his jersey all night.

Overall, a great game for the Captains.  Bring on Carnegie Mellon!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 11, 2006, 06:49:10 PM
Thats FC captj!!

But FU is so much more fun to write.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 09:21:47 AM
USASAC - ODAC Senior Game

Eugene Grant (MC)
Seth Thomas (MC)
Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Adam Purdham (CNU)
Nigel Kelly (FU) 5 min/gm
Jermaine Artis (NCW) 7 min/gm

It's looking like we're going to need to put every senior in the conference on the team regardless of their ability.  I'm starting to think this game isn't such a good idea after all.  WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE SENIORS ON OUR TEAMS?!  FU and NCW with one senior each!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 09:37:12 AM
USASAC - ODAC Senior Game

Eugene Grant (MC)
Seth Thomas (MC)
Jeremy Romeo (CNU)
Adam Purdham (CNU)
Nigel Kelly (FU) 5 min/gm
Jermaine Artis (NCW) 7 min/gm
Billy Gardner (AU) 7.5 min/gm
Sterling Williams (AU)
Steve Berg (GC)
Justin Battle (GC) - finally, a contributing post player
Brian Holloway (GC) - ditto
Patrick Miller (SU) - ditto
Jared Hale (SU)

That's it gents; ALL of the seniors in our conference.  I'm afraid to go to the ODAC team websites and count theirs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 12, 2006, 10:00:09 AM
Here are the ODAC seniors.

Kevin Nmah (BC) 4 gp hasnt recorded a bucket yet
Drew Breidenbaugh (BC) 9 gp, 2.8 ppg, 0.7 rpg
Zach Butler (BC) 4.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg 18 min/gm
Dustin Galyon (EMU) 6gp, 5 starts, 1.5 ppg, 0.8 rpg
EJ Arrington (EMU) 26 min/g, 9.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg
Earl Dyer (EMU) 7 gp, 0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg
Gary Kerns (EHC) 11 gp, 6.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg
Will Schwartzstein (EHC) 9 gp, 2.7 ppg 3.2 rpg
Ryan Kitaif (GC) 10 gp, 1.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg
L.T. Lockett (GC) 11gp, 5.7 ppg, 2.1 rpg
Jamel Taylor (GC) 9 gp, 2.9 ppg, 2.3 rpg
Matt Guill (HSC) 10 gp, 5.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg
Aaron Lewek (HSC) 12 gp, 4.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg
Patrick Prior (LC) 14 gp, 9.2 ppg, 4.6 rpg
Matt Sweeney (LC) 14 gp, 10.2 ppg 4.7 rpg (second leading scorer)
Andy Albright (LC) 14 gp, 7.9 ppg, 4.2 rpg
David Sheaffer (LC) 14 gp, 3.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg
Justin Wansley (RMC) 15 gp, 15.9 ppg, 8.7 boards, leads team in both stats
Patrick Gill (RMC) 15 gp, 5.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg
Rob Harris (RMC) 5 gp, 0.4 ppg, 0.0 rpg
Jared Butler (RC) 13 gp, 13.7 ppg, 2.5 rpg leads team in scoring
Jamiel Allen (RC) 8 gp 0.4 ppg, 0.0 rpg
Marques Fitch (VWC) 15 gp 8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg 32 assists (starting PG perhaps)
Matt Towell (VWC) 14 gp, 1.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg
W&L Has no seniors.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 11:16:53 AM
Yikes!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 12, 2006, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 11, 2006, 09:48:23 PM
Gullett is in his dorm room doing (deleted)

Why do you consider this necessary?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 12, 2006, 11:59:54 AM
Actually Pat - absolutely nothing we talk about in here is necessary. If we all were to make only necessary comments, the message boards would be blank - not one post!!

However, given that this is your forum and you have asked the question - a few thousand posts ago GCGullett posted that GC had the best backcourt in the conference. After we all got up from the floor laughing, we figured he was on drugs and I made the comment about the (deleted). After MC beat GC the (deleted) comment was referred to again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 12, 2006, 12:15:07 PM
ShenanDOH....I like that!  Uno Haiku got worked last night!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 12, 2006, 01:02:21 PM
Swish,

Where have you been? Nice game last night. Saturday will be a little tougher! As CJ said on the post game....it will be a test for Blasingame!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 12, 2006, 02:35:46 PM
OK so I picked 2 of 3 correct for last nights games....UNFORTUNATELY my Hornets weren't one of them.  Def. didn't make it down to CNwho, and for some reason the audio feed was all screwed up on my computer but it seems like there were enough of you captains fans there. OK....good game guys. It appears I underestimated this Blasingame kid, impressive stats for the first conference game.

SU was off their game if they shot 35 percent on the night. I'm sure Coach Harris didn't let them forget that after the game and still won't tonight in practice. Gotta give the guys some credit though, its gonna be a tough season. SU shot 35 percent for the entire game and only lost by 4, thats not exactly bad, but its not good either. It appears CJ had his team ready to keep us off the glass and defend our big men. Lawrence, ONUNAKU (Swish), and Brodie totaled 18 points. This is never good, look for them to come alive on Saturday vs. NC Wes..

Speaking of NC. Wes., the bishops lost to Chowan last night in OT 85-99. The Bishops had 4 players in double figures with Arrington and Hall leading the way with 29 and 18. Like I said in the earlier post, these guys pretty much are the team, especially if they both played 42 minutes. Something thats different is....I'm not seeing 2 names on the Bishop roster that I saw a week ago. Anyone know where Spears and Moore are??

Looks like Chowan took offense to being boosted out the USA SOUTH....5 players in double figures 3 of which (Lathan, Artis and Hambrick) with at-least 10 boards each.


Swish where ya been?

Oh and Gullett....great backcourt   ::)....need a bench though.

Good luck to the Hornets on Saturday..

HAS ANYONE SEEN RUMPLESTILSKIN THIS YEAR??????????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 12, 2006, 05:02:29 PM
shotblocker - I figured SU had an off night. Townsend played very well. When the starting line ups were announced I was worried. SU was small and I figured they would be very fast. But it didn't turn out that way. I'm sure it will be different next time we meet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 12, 2006, 07:10:44 PM
i have a feeling we've heard the last of mr. gullet...how many times has a gc fan come on this board in the pre-conference boasting about what a great year it will be for the pride, only to be slapped back to reality - now i'm not saying this was a beat down or that mc will be dominant or anything like that...in fact, i think that the win last night proves nothing about mc and answers zero questions - i do think it proves that the title "best back court in the usasac" belongs somewhere other than haynes gym...not sure WHERE it belongs yet

that IS a great way to start the conference, though, and with fc on saturday the monarchs have a chance to get out to a 2-0 start, which would be nice given the pre-conference struggles - thomas has to get untracked, though - he only took 6 shots last night and only went to the line once...there is something to be said about not forcing shots, but i still think he needs more looks and needs to look for his shot AGGRESSIVELY - shuford with a double-double and 4 players in double digits scoring...not bad...still some work to do, but as i said, a good start

the key to winning the usasac this year...stealing road games - i think the team that wins the most games at averett, su, cnu or mc will win the conference - i think road wins will be difficult to come by, even against teams like ncwc, fc and gc and we all know that cnu, su and au play particularly well at home...gotta take care of home court and win one or two of those tough roadies to win the conference

j - i was thinking the SAME thing about the usasac senior team about a month ago when i heard that this was a possibility...who is going to guard wansley?? oh yeah, kitaif (gc) would be a senior in the usasac had he not transferred from mc - if he plays in this game i'll be SHOCKED...he's not very good
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 12, 2006, 07:43:53 PM
I have to hand it to Shotblocker.  After a long period of silence he has the cajones to come on the board and trash talk right before the conference opener... an away game at the Freeman.  He certainly didn't have history on his side.  Shenandoah hasn't won a game at CNUnbeatable in over a decade.  In fact in the ten consecutive losses prior to this year the average margin of victory was 17 points.  The 4 point loss this year was the closest they've come to a win in Newport News for a very long time (unless they've played Apprentice School).

Shenandoah is going to do some damage in the conference this year.  We had their number this time, but you can bet that they will win more than they will lose.  narch is right on... someone is going to have to be perfect (or almost perfect) at home AND steal a couple of quality wins on the road to take the conference.

One thing that distresses me about the game last night was that we only took 10 3pt attempts (like against ECtSt).  We have to start getting Romeo some open shots.  The ones he missed last night were NOT open looks.  He often took the pass as his feet were coming down and went directly back up for the jumper.   Redick can do that but not too many others can with any consistency.  Are we not setting good picks?  I'll have to look for that on Saturday.  Maybe the game plan last night was to exploit the size difference we had inside, and it certainly worked.  If so, you've got to hand it to CJ.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2006, 01:43:33 AM
Last week I posted a poll and made a claim that GC has the best back court. I knew it was a bold comment, but backed it up with stats. No one has offered a better back court and backed it up with anything.

Since then, one of you has broken board rules, others have laughed off the comment or predicted I will not post again. Pretty immature and I can see why more do not participate if this is the behavior of some of "the regulars."

Methodist looked like the best 2-win team in the nation for the first 20 minutes last night. It was a great game and The Pride nearly erased a huge deficit for the win. A 72-68 loss does not make a season.

Like all of you, I pull for my team. The team has talent and a very good young coach who will build the program.

Go Pride and the haters can keep hating

AND YOU HAVENT HEARD THE LAST OF ME!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 13, 2006, 09:26:35 AM
I hate to say this, but Shenandoah is in trouble. Onyie is done for the year for academic reasons, that hurts big time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sushotblocker04 on January 13, 2006, 09:50:52 AM
Goose beat me to it but yea Onunaku has been suspended the rest of the year according to SU's website. This could give SU some problems however I know now that Coach Harris will have the guys ready for every game. Goin to invstigate this one a little more.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 13, 2006, 10:44:14 AM
I actually heard about it yesterday. But I didnt want to post it until I knew for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 13, 2006, 12:08:47 PM
losing onie will really hurt su...that's not good news for them, but they certainly used him until the last possible game

gullett - i HOPE that you do stay with us...like gc the team, gc fans on this site have been lots of hype and little substance - as for your question, i would submit 3 possibilities - the au back-court, the cnu back-court and the mc back-court trio of grant, lee and thomas - i think the mc back-court is the best of the bunch defensively, but i haven't seen barton at cnu play yet...i'd say the cnu group of selden, romeo and barton are among the best all-around, and statistically the au crew has been getting the job done - who knows, the gc guys might be just as good as any of the others i've mentioned, but it sounds like they were pretty much controlled (at home, no less) for all but the last 3 or 4 minutes on wednesday - i do like the heart that gc apparently showed on wednesday night - past versions of this team would have gone into a shell and been blown out in a game when they trailed by 20
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 13, 2006, 12:26:18 PM
Beware, I'm always lurking.  ;)

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2006, 12:54:31 PM
Narch: I was at the game and it was a really good game. All that I know GC did play with alot of heart. Even when they were down by 23 they did not give up and came back to tie it and put alot of pressure on your backcourt and forced alot of mistakes. If we play like we did that last 10min of the game i think we are capable of turning some heads.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 13, 2006, 02:11:57 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 13, 2006, 01:43:33 AM
Since then, one of you has broken board rules, others have laughed off the comment or predicted I will not post again. Pretty immature and I can see why more do not participate if this is the behavior of some of "the regulars."


Go Pride and the haters can keep hating

AND YOU HAVENT HEARD THE LAST OF ME!!!

aahhh...now I see where the post from Pat Coleman came from......I was reported for being "pretty immature"! I broke TOS #3. I do not wish to be the one who restricts others from participating through my sophomoric behavior. I will try to refrain from such behavior again as I do not wish to be reported for breaking rules. What I said must have been really bad in order for someone to take the time out to send Pat notification of a TOS infraction.

Pat - I apologize for breaking the rules.

GCGullet - I will restate my comment, pull out proper language and follow the rules. When you stated that GC had the best backcourt in the conference......... That is not true in my opinion. It is not even close in my opinion. In my opinion the GC backcourt is nowhere near what CNU puts on the floor. However, neither one of us really knows because we have not witnessed the opposing team in play (unless you have access to game tapes of CNU).

I hope what I have said does not cause you to report me to the moderator. Also, nobody hates GC. Believe me when I tell you what people have posted on here about GC is NOTHING compared to the bashing CNU gets...especially on the football board. I suggest growing a thick skin, loosen up (just a little), and hang on for the ride. We all love it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2006, 03:28:22 PM
And for the record, I was only making a suggestion regarding such post, not any formal sanction or warning of any kind.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2006, 03:49:43 PM
CNU85 all is well. I just thought it was a real immature statement that is why I said something. I am looking foward to staying on here with you guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 13, 2006, 06:29:57 PM
Roll Pride!!!
Men and Women
Go Staci!
Need to win tomorrow dont wanna to start 0-2 in conf. 
Be nice for the girls to start 2-0.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 13, 2006, 08:17:55 PM
all the love..I feel like it's the 60's again......probably why sometimes my humor goes over people's heads....most people on here were probably born in the 80's.

when Jupiter aligns with Mars
and peace will guide the planets

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 13, 2006, 08:22:38 PM
Captj,

Don't think I can make the noon game tomorrow...can't seem to break away from everything in the middle of a weekend day. I hope you'll be there...I'll look for your comments.  I'll probably miss FT's radio call as well. My wife needs a boyfriend to keep her busy during hoops season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 13, 2006, 08:22:38 PM
My wife needs a boyfriend to keep her busy during hoops season!

Uh... I've been putting off having this conversation with you, but...

I'll be at the game, for sure.  Random thoughts to follow.  Hopefully happy ones.

Go Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2006, 09:10:48 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 13, 2006, 12:54:31 PM
If we play like we did that last 10min of the game i think we are capable of turning some heads.
unfortunately, basketball is not a 10 minute game - again, i'll believe it when i see it from gc, but i like your enthusiasm for your team...please stay with us, even after it becomes obvious that gc ISN'T a contender
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 14, 2006, 10:22:39 AM
hmm....game time in about 90 minutes.....too wet to work in the yard.....kids are off doing their thing.....hmm......maybe I'll see you there Captj!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 14, 2006, 10:47:21 AM
Like you have anything else better to do 85!! Redskins dont come on until 430!! Youll be fine!! There's always Sunday!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 14, 2006, 02:40:42 PM
Goose.....Redskins?...yawn!

Hey....CMU is good! don;t tell anybody....they put a whoopin' on us. Their big guy was unstoppable.....shot 90% from behind the 3 pt line in first half!!

Can we please shoot a FT??? 26-45 is not gonna cut it!!! I think Captj can bounce a higher % in the hoop!!!

CMU needs new shoes...they looked more like soccer cleats.....then they took those soccer cleats and wiped CNU all over the floor!! FUNDAMENTALS!! They are very fundamental. CNU had 4 Off. RB in the 1st half!!! CMU blocks out, runs well, shoots well.....they don't make many mistakes. Although, they don't look very deep. They could be in trouble during tournament time.

Romeo is cold! Not sure what is up. I told Captj at the game that if Romeo were a D1 NBA prospect his value in the draft wouldbe dropping like a rock. His 3 pt shots were all short (I think he made 1 or 2).

Back to conference play where we should do very well.....if we can make more than 58% FT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 14, 2006, 02:42:11 PM
score not posted yet.....CMU beats CNU 94-81. The score was closer than the game. CNU matches up well against the end of the bench for CMU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 03:42:53 PM
Random thoughts from CNU (10-4) vs. Carnegie Mellon (13-1)

CMU  49 – 45 – 94
CNU   38 – 43 – 81

94-81 seems respectable, but the Captains never challenged the VERY, VERY good Tartans.  The Tartans had way too much talent for us to answer.  They are so strong nine-deep, and are so fundamentally strong and so big that we just couldn't seem to answer.  They were wide open so many times it was ridiculous.

We got killed on the boards (36-53).  Like I said, they were just too big and always seemed to be in position.  They had 37 defensive boards, one more than our total, but they also had 16 offensive rebounds! 

We actually won the TO battle (12-17), but with so many second chances theirs didn't hurt them like ours did.  2nd chance points 4-20 in favor of you-know-who.

Romeo, Romeo... wherefore art thou Romeo?!

Riley was our most effective offensively (7-12 for 19 in 26 minutes).  I think he will continue to get more minutes.  Whichever starter that plays ineffectively will lose their minutes to him.  Tonight it was Romeo that lost PT (18 minutes).

Blasingame fought like a warrior but was just outmanned.  Picking up his 3rd foul 20 seconds into the 2nd half didn't help.  9 and 9 with 4 blocks. 

Witham the first sub into the game?  I guess that CJ was trying to counter the big bodies.  Did McShepherd put his foot down and refuse to play a post position?  NO minutes for out tallest player.  I think I have an idea why, but I'm not going to say it.

And finally... free throws!  Nothing free about them with this team.  26 for 45 for 58%.  Nineteen missed free throws.  I could just feel the fans around me deflate as one shot after another fell off the rim.  I think we actually finished with 4 consceutive made shots to make it seem a little better statistically, but for most of the game we just squandered one opportunity after another.  Here's the scenario,,, we're down by 11 with 7 seconds left in the 1st half.  We're at the line for one-and-one with a chance to cut the margin to a single digit.  Take a guess whether that one went in.

In the pre-game interview CJ said that the free throw strategy going into this game was "to not talk about it".  Try something else, please!  Sticking your head in the sand is not going to make the problem go away.  The basketball coach at my high school made the players make 10 in a row before they could leave the gym after each practice.  Tell them to bring their sleeping bags to practice if they need to.  I don't think that I'm giving away trade secrets by suggesting that teams are going to make fouls a strategic part of their game plans for defending some of our guys.

I didn't hear the post-game interview so I don't know how CJ felt about this game, but I am not a happy fan.  Even though we were playing a better team, we could have played better than we did.  There were too many defensive breakdowns, mental mistakes, and missed free throws for me to consider this a moral victory.  Our past success may have given us high expectations, but I don't think that they are unreasonable.  That past success has also given us experience being the team on the other side of mismatches when inferior teams pulled out upset wins against us.  I'd like to see us win a game like this one sometime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 13, 2006, 09:26:35 AM
Onyie is done for the year for academic reasons

shotblocker says he was "suspended".  I'm not sure there is a distinction, but I think there is.  If he was done because of academics, they would have known that when grades were posted in December, right?  If that were the case they would probably have to forfeit the two January wins that Onyie played in.  I'm just glad we beat the Hornets with him on the team.

I think this makes the conference race a little clearer.  I don't see SU hosting a first round tournament game.  SU is just too thin in the post now, though I expect Miller will step up very capably.  But you can't lose a player like that without making the team weaker... ask narch if I'm right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 14, 2006, 05:57:06 PM
79-74  NCW over SU with 130 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 14, 2006, 07:41:25 PM
I tell yall one thing if you get GC down dont count them out. They came back again today and made it a really close game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2006, 08:18:38 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 14, 2006, 07:41:25 PM
I tell yall one thing if you get GC down dont count them out. They came back again today and made it a really close game.
really close doesn't count :)

monarchs go to 2-0 with a 14 pt victory over fc - i wasn't able to see the game, but looks like thomas finally decided to get aggressive and took 14 shots (scoring 21 pts and grabbing 11 boards) - too many to's, but a win is a win

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0114.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2006, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: captj on January 14, 2006, 05:09:39 PM
If he was done because of academics, they would have known that when grades were posted in December, right?  If that were the case they would probably have to forfeit the two January wins that Onyie played in. 

captj - there is no way su would ever use an ineligible player....oops, they did in football, though :)

they PROBABLY could use him until 2nd semester classes started, or somethimg
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 14, 2006, 08:53:59 PM
Gullett, your backcourt is a good one.  Our coach thought alot of Berg and McDuffie.  Berg was only 3-13 vs. AU, but that was mostly due to a great defensive effort from Cory McDaniel.  Berg didn't have many open looks. 

GC has some tremendous size on the interior and I am surprised that Tamini and Camp combined for only 10 shot attempts.  Take into account that GC grabbed 16 offensive rebounds, most of those attempts probably came on second chance opportunities.  I think those big bodies should get more touches in the paint.  I was impressed by those guys, as well as the back court.

As for Averett, good to see Andrew Boor back.  He hasn't played to his potential following the early season injury.  He looked very good on Saturday, however.  Also, I love the freshman guard Dominique Stevenson.  He is as quick as anyone in the league and a menace on defense at only 5'6 (A kind 5'6). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 09:25:43 PM
CNU fans, I have a question for you:

I was wondering what you thought of Carnegie Mellon compared to Lincoln (in terms of talent, style of play, etc).  If any of you have seen both games (CMU vs. CNU, Lincoln vs. CNU), I would appreciate any insight or comments.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 14, 2006, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 14, 2006, 09:25:43 PM
CNU fans, I have a question for you:

I was wondering what you thought of Carnegie Mellon compared to Lincoln (in terms of talent, style of play, etc).  If any of you have seen both games (CMU vs. CNU, Lincoln vs. CNU), I would appreciate any insight or comments.  Thanks.

nerd -

I think that Goose went to the Lincoln game in Myrtle Beach... he's the one to offer that comparison. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 15, 2006, 02:29:14 AM
Any thoughts Goose?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 15, 2006, 09:36:16 AM
Quote from: captj on January 14, 2006, 03:42:53 PM
Romeo, Romeo... wherefore art thou Romeo?!

I take that back, Jeremy.  I read in the DP this morning that you're suffering with the flu.  Get well soon and thanks for the effort.  When I have the flu I don't want to do anything but sleep, and I can't imagine trying to play basketball.  You're tougher than I am. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 15, 2006, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: narch on January 14, 2006, 08:21:11 PM
they PROBABLY could use him until 2nd semester classes started, or somethimg

If that is true then there is something wrong with that rule, and any program that uses a player under those circumstances should be ashamed of themselves.  I hope that you're wrong about that, narch.  There is almost a month between fall semester grades and the start of spring semester classes, and to use a player who has flunked out during that period is... well, now I'm just repeating myself.  Why do these kids go to college?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 15, 2006, 11:17:16 AM
From what I heard, Shenandoah went thru the correct channels in their system with appeals and what not. I dont think we need to post the man's issues here, but from what I heard, they went thru the proper channels and had it resolved before the start of the their second semester.

hugenerd-I will definitely answer your question. Ill have to get back to you as i am in a bit of hurry right now. Also, ballgame can give insights as well. He was at both games too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 15, 2006, 12:39:03 PM
Thanks guys, no rush.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 15, 2006, 08:14:14 PM
never meant to imply that su did anything wrong...sorry if it seemed that way
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 15, 2006, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 15, 2006, 11:17:16 AM
I dont think we need to post the man's issues here, but from what I heard, they went thru the proper channels and had it resolved before the start of the their second semester.

You're right Goose... no more comments from me.  I'm sure that everyone acted appropriately, and even if they didn't it's not my place to judge.  I was just speculating based on the very limited information we have.  My bad.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 15, 2006, 10:33:49 PM
No its not your bad captj!! Believe me, when I heard it, my thoughts were the same, I thought they should be forfeiting the games as well, that is until the full story was made aware and it made sense to me. Very few things do in this simple world!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 16, 2006, 01:26:12 PM
Goose - keep us posted on the upcoming road games!

Also - don't forget Hugenerd's question. I'm interested in your reply.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 16, 2006, 02:07:17 PM
Oh dont worry, Im thinking long and hard about it!! Please note 85, the games times have.........NOT CHANGED!! Make sure you tune in!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 16, 2006, 03:13:21 PM
Goose the comic!! I had a comeback, but deemed it wasn't "necessary". I don't want to be immature! We all know we can't have that!!

I'm not sure if I'll listen on the radio. It depends if Coop is the color guy or that sorry replacement they have!!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 16, 2006, 03:16:43 PM
Predictions -

CNU at NCWesleyan – Captains will make it 4 in a row in Rocky Mount
Averett at Methodist – narch's guys will protect their home court
Ferrum at Greensboro – The Pride will get their first conference win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 16, 2006, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 16, 2006, 02:07:17 PM
the games times have.........NOT CHANGED!!

Of course the game times haven't changed... the next home game isn't until almost two weeks from now.  There is ample time come up with a reason to reschedule between now and the 28th. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 16, 2006, 04:46:09 PM
Predictions:

CNU will deafeat Weslyan

Averett vs. Methodist is a really tough one to call already seeing botht teams, but I am going to go out on a limb and say AU will defeat the Monarchs.

GC I really think they will get thier first conference win, they have been in 2 straight really close games coming up on the backend of it but this time I think they will defeat Ferrum at Haynes Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2006, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 16, 2006, 04:46:09 PMGC I really think they will get thier first conference win, they have been in 2 straight really close games coming up on the backend of it but this time I think they will defeat Ferrum at Haynes Gym.

gullet - if your boys DON'T beat ferrum in their own gym it will be a LONG season for the pride

i have really been struggling with a sinus infection and won't be able to make the au/mc game...i hate i'm missing it because i think it could be a classic - i'll say the monarchs pull out a 68-66 win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 16, 2006, 09:13:51 PM
Care to take a guess on the other two games, narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 16, 2006, 10:50:51 PM
I'm going safe.

MC pulls it together and beats AU

CNU over NCW

GC over Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 08:03:57 AM
Quote from: captj on January 16, 2006, 09:13:51 PM
Care to take a guess on the other two games, narch?

j - those are the easy ones - cnu and gc are winners
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:32:30 AM
Easy?!  I hope you're right, but I actually had a hard time with the CNU-NCW game.  The Bishops certainly aren't getting much love on this board, and I'm not sure why.  They did just win at SU, although the Hornets were without my pre-season USASAC POTY nominee and the Bishops probably exploited the HUGE size mismatch between those two teams.  The thing that made me decide on CNU was our recent success in their gym, but in one of those years that we beat them there, they beat us in the Freemen.  I hope you're right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 17, 2006, 09:18:18 AM
Whoever guards Jarmel Arrington will be the X factor I think in the CNU game. Dude is 6-4 and a wing and quick and has the ability to score from anywhere. If he gets shut down and of course no one picks up his slack, I think the Captains come away with a W in Rocky Mount.

CNU85, Cooper will not be the color man on this trip!! FT will be flying solo!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 17, 2006, 09:27:53 AM
Arrington's seasonal statline - 70-of-150 (47%) from the floor, 38-89 (43%) on threes, 37-of-41 (90%) from the charity stripe, 27 turnovers in 13 games averaging 16.5 points/game

Not too shabby for a guy who's gone nuts in his last few games. 29 on 10-of-22 shooting (6-of-11 from behind the arc) in a OT loss to Chowan and 29 on 10-of-18 (just 2-of-6 from behind the arc but was a perfect 7-of-7 from the line) in a win at Shenandoah.

Ya he can play.

Starting Five
Carmichael - 6-6 forward - Freshman
Hall - 5-10 guard - Sophomore
Coleman - 6-7 Forward/Center - Freshman
Arrington - 6-4 - Guard - Freshman
Alston - 6-2 - Guard - Junior

Off the bench
Haut - 6-0 - Guard - Freshman
Washington - 6-5 - Forward - Freshman
Mobley - 6-6 - Forward/Center - Junior
Artis - 6-4 - Forward - Senior THE ONLY ONE ON THE ROSTER!!!
Rosell - 6-4 - Forward - Freshman
Frazier - 6-6 - Forward/Center - Freshman
Jones - 6-0 - Guard - Freshman

WOW Talk about a young team with some talent. Lets see what kind of turnover rate they have between the end of this year and the beginning of next.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 17, 2006, 09:18:18 AM
Whoever guards Jarmel Arrington will be the X factor I think in the CNU game. Dude is 6-4 and a wing and quick and has the ability to score from anywhere.

Who do you think, Goose?  Romeo?  Definitely a size mismatch there, but he might be our most intense in-your-face defender.  I just hope that he's recovered from the flu.  Shut him down, Jeremy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 17, 2006, 10:03:25 AM
I talked to Romeo yesterday and he said he was feeling much better. I almost would say Selden, but he's 5-10 and thats even more of a mismatch!! But right now, definitely Romeo and I think youll see Purdham on him when Romeo is out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 17, 2006, 09:27:53 AMWOW Talk about a young team with some talent. Lets see what kind of turnover rate they have between the end of this year and the beginning of next.

if i had a quarter for every time someone said ncwc was young and talented, i'd have at least $1.25...they are perpetually young (and ALWAYS talented) - they haven't always played hard for 40 minutes...we'll see if that has changed

i've talked to a couple of people familiar with the usasac, and they seem to think that averett is playing the best ball in the conference right now, so tonight should be a good test for the monarchs...it's a must-win because it's a home game, in my opinion - gotta win at home and steal at least one (probably 2) road contest from au/cnu/su/ncwc to win the usasac, in my opinion
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 17, 2006, 06:03:25 PM
A close one at the half:

MC 23
AU 22

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 07:40:53 PM
averett wins 72-69 in ot...no other details right now...hate i missed that game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:07:00 PM
Captains 1 for 9 on free throws late in the 1st half.   >:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:25:08 PM
Halftime -

CNU 34
NCW 34
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 08:34:46 PM
Captains 5 for 15 (33%) on free throws in the 1st half!  Unbelievable!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 08:54:36 PM
look on the bright side Captj...we were 3-4 on FT to close the half!!! Before that we were 2-11!! I think you could bounce.....

We're gonna lose this one......Captains missing FT, Romeo remains cold.....getting beat on the boards.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:02:19 PM
is it me..or does it seem to anyone else that NCW is driving to the hoop at will??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:08:54 PM
too many fouls...this game is hard to listen to....any word on the GC/FC game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 09:20:12 PM
Gboro 63
FU 52

Pat's going to be mad at you for asking without going to the scoreboard first!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:35:35 PM
I do it on purpose..... :D

Captj...which game was better...NCW or CMU????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 17, 2006, 09:45:21 PM
I don't think I've ever heard CJ as ticked as he just was on the post game! I'd hate to be at practice thursday!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 17, 2006, 09:48:15 PM
Big win for Pride guys and girls tonight.  Big run to open second half stretched it out for the pride.  Ferrum got it down to about nine or so but never really got close.  Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 09:59:20 PM
NCW – 93
CNU – 80

Captains had way too many turnovers and not nearly enough rebounds and made free throws to counter two very hot players (Hall with 36, Arrington with 27).  Did no one defend those guys? 

NCW – 47 rebounds
CNU – 35 rebounds

CNU – 19/35 FT (54%)
Hall (NCW) - 19/22 FT (matches THE ENTIRE CNU TEAM for made FT)

Barton 24 pts
Romeo 14 pts on 4/13 (31% fg), 1/8 (13% 3fg)

I'm pretty disappointed, to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 17, 2006, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: GCman82 on January 17, 2006, 09:48:15 PM
Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.

Pretty bold statement!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 10:06:31 PM
Quote from: captj on January 17, 2006, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: GCman82 on January 17, 2006, 09:48:15 PM
Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.

Pretty bold statement!

and the monarchs have already won there...good to know they've won in the toughest place to play in the conf.

i love how the gc fans get so pumped over a home win against ferrum...not exactly anything to write home about

for me, still no details on the au/mc barn-burner...maybe it's better that i don't know - i hope that i don't find out the monarchs had a 20+ point lead that they blew (as they did against both gc and ferrum before pulling out the w) - gotta finish, and gotta win at home - right now i'd say au is looking like they are in the best shape because of record (obviously) and getting a win on the road against a contender
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2006, 10:17:06 PM
ok, i've at least got a box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0117.htm) - looking at the play by play it looks like the monarchs were up 12 about 1/2 way through the second half, then averett took a lead and mc needed 2 seth thomas ft's with about :20 left to force ot - looks like au was pretty dominant in ot - thomas had another really nice night with 18/11, but still only took 11 shots...i think he needs to get 14-16 shots, within the system, on a nightly basis - he did have 5 turnovers, which is uncharacteristic of him - lee had an abysmal night shooting the ball (1-10/0-4) to continue a trend of poor shooting at home that was the case last year...not sure what's going on there - monarchs won the rebound battle, but didn't shoot well enough and had too many to's - gotta get better boys!

GO MONARCHS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 18, 2006, 12:41:03 AM
GC's win vs. Ferrum may not seem very big, but consider. James Newman, arguably the team's most talented player (many of you had him on pre-season all-conf. teams) did not play due to innjury.

Berg had a huge game (27 pts) and can really shoot. Expect some other big games by #12. FC hasn't won but they have talent and you've got to play well to beat them.

And the comment bout the toughest place to play is true. I have been on the road alot with our teams and been to the conference sites and I have not found anywhere louder than Haynes Gym. The only place that could come close to touching the toughest place is to play is Averett with the Blue Crew.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 08:22:27 AM
game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/averett.htm) from monarchs online

game story (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=224583) from the fayetteville observer
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 12:10:05 PM
It seems to me that if a team successfully defends its home court year after year, it is a "tough place to play".  Since CNU has only lost 6 conference games at home in the past 10 YEARS, it must be a "tough place to play".  Ferrum beat us last year (yeah, I was shocked also), Greensboro beat us in 03-04, Methodist beat us in 03-04 and 96-97, NCW beat us in 03-04 and 01-02.  The rest of you guys haven't won at CNU for at least a decade.  Show me a team that has defended its home court better than that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 12:32:55 PM
In the last decade, CNU has won the following away games in hostile territory –

Averett – 10 years in a row!
Ferrum – 9 times
Greensboro – 7 times
NCW – 6 times
Methodist – 6 times
Shenandoah – 4 times

So, unless CNU is the ONLY team to beat the Hornets in Winchester the last decade, then CNU's 6 total losses at home to all of the USASAC teams COMBINED, certainly has defended its home court the best.

AND, if you want to use CNU's ability to get wins in hostile territory as a litmus test for the rest of the conference, then Shenandoah is the SECOND toughest place to play, followed by Methodist and NCW, with Greensboro the FIFTH toughest place to play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
captj - once again you have inspired me to crunch some numbers...you are my statistical muse :)

over the last 3 full seasons (chosen because the usasac website gives EASILY accessible home and away records for those seasons), in conference games only (to accomodate for varying degrees of ooc schedule strength) here are some numbers to ponder re: "toughest place to play in the conference"


teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su15-5.756-14.30+.45
mc19-1.9514-6.70+.25
cnu16-4.8013-7.65+.15
gc13-7.6510-10.50+.15
fc7-13.354-16.20+.15
au5-15.252-18.10+.15
ncw11-9.559-11.45+.10

conclusion - over the last 3 years, su is DEFINATELY the "toughest" place to play, followed by mc, with ncwc being the "easiest" place to play as measured by home win % vs. road win % differential

i think the gc fans may have been literally talking about hanes as the TOUGHEST place to play...ie - it's so old and rickety that it's TOUGH to play there? :)




Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2006, 02:48:09 PM
Quote from: captj on January 17, 2006, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: GCman82 on January 17, 2006, 09:48:15 PM
Haynes is the toughest place to play in conf.
Pretty bold statement!
I thought it was "Hanes" Gym, but hey, I've only been there a few times.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 02:56:34 PM
what a difference adding 2 years makes

here are the records for the last 5 years


teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su22-11.6710-23.30+.37
au13-20.395-28.15+.24
gc20-13.6113-20.39+.22
ncw22-11.6716-17.48+.19
cnu28-5.8522-11.67+.18
fc12-21.366-27.18+.18
mc27-6.8223-10.70+.12

what does this tell me?  that hanes STILL isn't the toughest place to play in the usasac :) and the monarchs and captains have been pretty good in conference, wherever they have played, over the last 5 years
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hugenerd on January 18, 2006, 03:40:06 PM
I have nothing to do this league, but I disagree with that analysis.  You are punishing good teams for winning on the road vs. winning at home.  According to your analysis, a team that wins 100% of home games and 100% of away games would be at the bottom of your list because their differential would be 0 (likewise if a team loses all their games on the road and 40% at home, they would be at the top of your list).  Just because a team only wins 1/3 of their away games and 2/3 of their home games doesn't make them a good team or a tough team to play at home (especially since they are losing 1/3 of their games at home).  I would look at your analysis and see that cnu and mc have the best records at home and on the road by far, so I wouldn't even bring any other teams into the analysis.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 18, 2006, 06:00:01 PM
Thanks hugnerd...as an analytic guy by occupation.....the away record for each school and the subsequent differential has nothing to do with a teams home record when trying to figure out the toughest place to play.

Having said that, I still think Narch came up with the data on the home records and that shows a couple fo things....going back 3 years MC is the toughest place to win (for schools other than MC). and going back 5 years it's CNU with MC a very close second. So, if I had to make an analysis combining those figures I would have to say that MC is the toughest place to play and win currently......the trend is that they are winning more, lately. Of course to really prove that you would need to figure out the same stats for the past 2 years, the past year, and then look at this year.

Either way - it sure as heck ain't GC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on January 18, 2006, 03:40:06 PM
According to your analysis, a team that wins 100% of home games and 100% of away games would be at the bottom of your list because their differential would be 0 (likewise if a team loses all their games on the road and 40% at home, they would be at the top of your list). 

I like this nerd guy.  He's absolutely correct... this analysis is rubbish.  Imagine that; a team that sweeps the conference and wins every home and away game would come in LAST in narch's analysis.

Here is the bottom line... The current USASAC teams have won in Newport News 6 times in the last decade.  Read that again... 6 LOSSES IN A DECADE.  A place where visiting teams almost never win is a pretty tough place to play. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 18, 2006, 07:01:47 PM
That said, if you look at ONLY the last 3 years, Methodist's 95% winning percentage at home makes them the "Monarchs" for that period.  But, like narch said, when you go back two more years CNU's 85% home winning percentage edges them out.  And if you go back a decade like I'd like to do, CNU's 90% over such a long period is CNUnbeatable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 07:29:02 PM
nerd/captj/85 - obviously, cnu and mc have been the toughest places to play in the usasac as measured by home wins (with gc ranking 5th out of 7 schools), but is that because of the location of the game or the quality of the team that plays in that venue?? - as the numbers show, cnu and mc are tough to beat REGARDLESS of where they play...oh yeah, keep in mind the "disclaimer" at the bottom of my analysis :)

Quote from: narch on January 18, 2006, 02:15:14 PMas measured by home win % vs. road win % differential

clearly some teams are substantially more difficult to beat at home (see su), which leads me to believe there is either something about the facility or mindset of the players that gives them a legit "home court advantage"

i think any way you slice it, it's going to be hard for a gc fan to substantiate the claim that "haynes [sic] is the toughest place to play in conf."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 07:35:16 PM
Quote from: captj on January 18, 2006, 06:45:38 PM
He's absolutely correct... this analysis is rubbish. 

rubbish?  isn't that a bit harsh, j?:)  every analysis needs a frame of reference or control group...the away records served that purpose in this analysis...analysis without some sort of framework is simply running numbers, and any 7th grader can do that...this is high level stuff, man :)

and a decade is ancient history in sports...no need to go beyond 3 years, in my opinion (of course, the last 3 years are MOST FAVORABLE for monarch fans  ;))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2006, 09:05:37 PM
let's get an insider's opinion - isoar, you played in every gym in the usasac and had a pretty nice home conference record in your time in a monarch uniform

what is the toughest place to play in the usasac and why?

p.s. - the monarchs sure could use the little things you did in the green and gold...setting solid screens, hustling after loose balls, grabbing some rebounds and occassionally throwing one down would be nice things to see in the monarch post players right now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 18, 2006, 09:48:17 PM
Hanes hoodlums will be out in full force on Sat.  GC will roll NCW!  Remember this GC is very close to 3-0 in the conf.  Only lost by a combined total of five points in first two games.
ROLL PRIDE!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 19, 2006, 04:55:45 AM
I assume by "toughest" places to play we're talking about fans.  So here's my take on it:

As much as I hate to say it...toughest place to play over the past four years was CNU.  There's a lot of history there, the fans pretend to understand basketball, they get loud for every game...and they get on you, of course playing a solid team doesn't make it any easier.  I still remember looking up at the scoreboard with about 8min left in the game my So. year after Seth said, "We might score 100 this game."...........We didnt score again for the rest of the game.  Nice Seth. 

Last year, GC was tough, a good amount of people in a small gym=loud.  We had that whole bad blood thing between the two teams.  Everyone was talking about how great GC was going to be...again.  The team really responded to the crowd, but if I remember at  the conf tourny, the fans get bored pretty easily when things don't go their way.   (For the record, GC stole our saying.  Green Gold, You Know...Except they say, Greensboro, You know....weak GC...weak.)

SU hasnt had great fans since my fr year.  They seemed kind of fair weather.  They have like three cheerleaders who kinda...dont do much...its less than impressive. 

AU has a small(for the size of the gym) but VERY loud cheering section that sits directly behind the bench and yells...all game...about nothing...and everything.  Winning? yelling.  Losing? yelling.  Timeout? yelling.  freethrow? yelling, After the game? It could have been confused for yelling but it was actually crying. 

When NCW was good, they had good fans.  They would usually pick one or two guys, and stay on them the whole game.  Last year they kinda gave up early. 

FC...  I never want to play there.  Worst. Place. Ever.  Long Ride.  No Town. They had one fan, who was at every game, he left when his son transferred.  When their team runs out, it sounds like someone is trying to start the slow clap. 

As for MC... the first three years  Our fans were pretty weak.  Our cheerleaders didn't lead cheers.  I've seen fans actually cheer the other team, because of a blocked shot, or a dunk.  Weak.  During an SU game, where we were playing for a conf championship, it was a two point game with less than 5min left and you could hear a pin drop.  Last year was better, but it was still kinda random.  One thing our fans lack is basketball IQ.  It might have something to do with the fact that we have very few homegames.  Maybe its just because I'm from Gainesville that I'm so critical of our fans, but maybe its because they really aren't that great. 




all misspellings in this post were intentional.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 07:41:01 AM
narch –

"Rubbish" might be harsh, but your formulaic method was certainly flawed.  The example that nerd provided is pretty conclusive proof of that.  The reality of it is that there is probably no way to calculate "the toughest place to play" statistically or scientifically.  It is probably going to have to be done in some subjective way, which you have suggested by asking ISoar for his opinion.

I know this about CNU's home games; we put a lot of fans into the Freeman.  Against Shenandoah last week the attendance was almost 1100, and the students weren't even back from semester break yet.  When we beat your Monarchs last season there were almost 1900 delirious on hand fans to witness it.  And they don't sit on their hands and talk about current affairs.  They are loud and into the game.  I hope you've been to the Freeman for one of our games.  The atmosphere (and the team's success) is what keeps guys like 85 and me, as well as many of our former professors and classmates, returning year after year.  It's great to see Dr. Paul, Dr. Coker, CJ's brother Charlie (former coach at W&M), and occasionally a guy that you might have heard of named Bruce Hornsby.  Dr. Coker goes to ALL games, men and women. 

I can't prove it, of course, but I think that opposing teams are pretty intimidated by all of it.  I know this; when the Hornets were warming up for the game last week several of their guys were sweating PROFUSELY a few seconds into warm-ups.  Sure, they could have been warming up in the locker room before coming out, but I'm guessing that it was nervous sweat.  Our guys don't come out of the locker room looking like Secretariat after the Belmont.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 19, 2006, 10:02:29 AM
Quote from: captj on January 18, 2006, 12:32:55 PM
In the last decade, CNU has won the following away games in hostile territory –

Averett – 10 years in a row!
Ferrum – 9 times
Greensboro – 7 times
NCW – 6 times
Methodist – 6 times
Shenandoah – 4 times

So, unless CNU is the ONLY team to beat the Hornets in Winchester the last decade, then CNU's 6 total losses at home to all of the USASAC teams COMBINED, certainly has defended its home court the best.

AND, if you want to use CNU's ability to get wins in hostile territory as a litmus test for the rest of the conference, then Shenandoah is the SECOND toughest place to play, followed by Methodist and NCW, with Greensboro the FIFTH toughest place to play.


Capt. J, actually, Averett defeated CNU in the Grant Center on Feb. 9, 2001 by an 81-72 final.  CNU was ranked #5 in the nation at the time.  Now I admit, we haven't won since and it had been a long time prior, but it hasn't been 10 years since we beat you at our place.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: AUCougars on January 19, 2006, 10:02:29 AM
Averett defeated CNU in the Grant Center on Feb. 9, 2001 by an 81-72 final.  CNU was ranked #5 in the nation at the time. 

You're right, my bad.  We've only won 9 of the last 10 in the Grant.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:24:26 AM
AUC -

You've been pretty quiet lately, even with your guys doing so well.  Hopefully the only times you post won't be when I make a boo-boo.  Speak up!  Tell us what's making the Cougars play so well this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 19, 2006, 10:47:58 AM
I'm still disappointed in CNU student turnout for the games. With a school of about 5,000 we should put more Freeman Fanatics in the stands! Where are all the other student athletes besides the baseball team? And they have to leave in February when their season starts. The football team showed up a few times in the past few years....where have they been this year? And where is the pep band? a no show so far this year? The cheerleaders are good! But from my last row nosebleed seat, not many of us old "blue haired" people in the stands cheer with them.  They only get a real nice applause when they do the pom pom "C" "N" "U" thing. If we can put 1,000 from the community in the Freeman when school is on break, we should be able to put 2,000 in the stands on a regular basis! I haven't seen the Freeman as being "Fan Tough" since a few years ago when we were ranked as high as #2 and made it to the Elite 8 only to be denied a trip to the final four in an OT game.

Bring back the pep band
and somehow get the students excited about hoops!! It will bring more people from the commnity to the game. Make Tommasino hoarse from having to speak over the crowd!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 19, 2006, 10:47:58 AM
I'm still disappointed in CNU student turnout for the games.

It's not like high school where they have mandatory-attendance pep rallies to get the kids fired up with school spirit.  But you're right, the student attendance did seem low the early part of the year before semester break.  Maybe they were all cramming for finals?  I  do know that with the school's shift from a commuter college to a more traditional one, fewer students will attend during the semester break since they are now from out-of-town.

I do miss the football and baseball teams.  They did a LOT to get the fans fired up during the games.  Maybe in the past those teams felt like they were second fiddle to the basketball program, and now that football has become a big part of the CNU experience and the baseball team has that great new facility, they don't feel like they need the extra attention.  Just a theory.  I doubt that the basketball players go to baseball games, although I do remember seeing Albert Haskins at a football game doing some pre-season basketball promotion a few years ago.  I think he was handing out schedules.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 19, 2006, 12:54:56 PM
I did some snooping on the pep band thing. Apparently, since CNU started a marching band program, that the pep band is actually a class that they can get credit for. So obviously, when school is out for the semester or for Thanksgiving break, we wont ever see the pep band. I believe the one opportunity they had to show and did not come was the season opener against Southern Virginia. I do know they will and should be at every home game from here one out. The pep band of old was a group of mostly non CNU students (who were tho at one time) who had put the pep band together and were at every game, but since they got rid of them and have this new group, they wont come to every game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 19, 2006, 01:30:52 PM
Actually, I've been disappointed for a few years at the student turnout. No more excuses for this year. And where is the football team? The baseball team made a few games when there wasn't a break.

I do know that a few of the football players went to baseball games. I went to one baseball game 2 years ago and the football offensive line was there...they were cracking me up! Good group of guys.

Captj - I think you could be right. I don't recall seeing the hoops players at the football games. But it is hard to pick out 14 guys at Pomoco....even if some of them are over 6'5". I can remember in high school, athletes went to just about every other sporting even, unless there was a conflict in schedules. Just seems to me that the teams can support each other a little better than they do.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 19, 2006, 01:38:28 PM
Well Capt. J, the main reason we are playing so well is because we have Coach Allen on our side.  He really knows how to get the most out of his players and can construct a style of play around who he has available.  Last season we scored over 70 points only 10 times all season and were more productive in the 1/2 court set.  This year we have done that 12 times already and like to outrun the opponents.  We are more athletic this season.

There are also several that can hurt you on the offensive end for AU.  We are averaging 78+ points per game and only Sterling Williams (12) and Cory McDaniel (10) are averaging double figures.

Are you making the trip this Sunday?  It should be a great game with two very athletic teams.  Keep your eye on the little guard #14 Dominique Stevenson, he is fun to watch, as are all of the Cougars, he is just lightning fast.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 07:41:01 AM
narch - "Rubbish" might be harsh, but your formulaic method was certainly flawed.  The example that nerd provided is pretty conclusive proof of that. 

how is the formula flawed?  how else would you measure the competetive advantage gained by teams when they play at home (other than measuring point spreads, which i could care less about...wins are what matter in my book)?

Quote from: hugenerd on January 18, 2006, 03:40:06 PM
According to your analysis, a team that wins 100% of home games and 100% of away games would be at the bottom of your list because their differential would be 0 (likewise if a team loses all their games on the road and 40% at home, they would be at the top of your list).  

how does this prove a flaw?  if a team wins 100% of their home games AND 100% of their away games, how do you KNOW that playing at home gives them ANY competetive advantage?...it's not measurable - likewise, if a team wins 40% more at home than they do on the road, how can you say that playing at home ISN'T a competetive advantage for said team, especially when you compound those numbers over numerous seasons?

the flaw is with those who make the assumption that good teams win at home BECAUSE they are at home and not because they are good - certainly the numbers prove that there is such thing as "home court advantage", but some teams derive more of an advantage than others

i presented this analysis with the caveat that i was using the differential between home and road winning % to measure a mythical claim to which school is the "toughest place to play in the conference"...in other words, which school benefits the most from playing at home - i suspect that, in reality, the "toughest place to play" varies from school to school and even player to player - i'll bet some players PREFER to play on the road...maybe the rims at au are really tight and a particular shooter likes tight rims, or they like the look they get in hanes or they like to play in front of larger crowds at cnu - as such, i concede flaw in ANY formula, but i challenge you to find a formula that is LESS flawed than mine :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: ISoar on January 19, 2006, 04:55:45 AMAs for MC... the first three years  Our fans were pretty weak.  Our cheerleaders didn't lead cheers.  I've seen fans actually cheer the other team, because of a blocked shot, or a dunk.  Weak.  During an SU game, where we were playing for a conf championship, it was a two point game with less than 5min left and you could hear a pin drop.  Last year was better, but it was still kinda random.  One thing our fans lack is basketball IQ.  It might have something to do with the fact that we have very few homegames.  Maybe its just because I'm from Gainesville that I'm so critical of our fans, but maybe its because they really aren't that great.

i agree wholeheartedly - the random nature is what bugs me the most - one game you'll have a few with painted faces and chests getting loud...remember how that group got in lenny hall's head last year with their "lenny, lenny" chants...it was great....and the next game it's like your in church...a really quiet one, not one of those pentecostal deals - it also bugs me that the cheerleaders and pep band (not sure if we even have one this year) don't show up for games when school is out - this year we had 4 home football games and a total of 19 men's and women's home hoops games (many of which are on the same night)...that's 23 events - they're getting scholarships, they ought to be at EVERY ONE of them - imagine if the basketball team or football team said "school isn't in so we don't have to show up for the game" - anyway, enough of my soapbox for the day - maryville is next, then ncwc on monday...should be a fun game and i'm HOPING for a rowdy crowd!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 02:50:36 PM
Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 07:41:01 AM
"Rubbish" might be harsh, but your formulaic method was certainly flawed.  The example that nerd provided is pretty conclusive proof of that.  The reality of it is that there is probably no way to calculate "the toughest place to play" statistically or scientifically.  It is probably going to have to be done in some subjective way, which you have suggested by asking ISoar for his opinion.

You stopped quoting me too soon, narch.  Read the rest of the paragraph. 

You said yourself, "if a team wins 100% of their home games AND 100% of their away games, how do you KNOW that playing at home gives them ANY competetive advantage?...it's not measurable".  That's my point... we don't know, and your formula doesn't tell us.  You're agreeing that in this scenario (season sweep), it's not measurable.  So how is the formula not flawed if it doesn't work?  I propose that for a formula to be of any value, it has to work all the time.  Why are you continuing to defend this methodology?  It simply doesn't work.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 02:53:05 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2006, 01:57:36 PM
remember how that group got in lenny hall's head last year with their "lenny, lenny" chants...

Wow!  Thanks for the tip.  We need to do that when they come to the Freeman, cause he KILLED us in their gym.  We had no answer for him at all.

Let him have it, Captains fans!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 02:50:36 PMYou're agreeing that in this scenario (season sweep), it's not measurable.  So how is the formula not flawed if it doesn't work?
not measurable and doesn't work are 2 different things, captj - in the unlikely event that a team went undefeated in the conference for a 3 - 5 year period, there would be no "measurable" competetive home court advantage for that team...the formula still works, though

if a scale tops out at 200 lbs, and i put my 200+ pound body on said scale and it is unable to measure my exact weight, does the scale work?

Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 02:50:36 PMWhy are you continuing to defend this methodology?
because
1.) i'm right :)
2.) i know you are bright enough to understand this, even with your public school education (this is a JOKE, please take it as such)
3.) i really want you to open your mind and be enlightened :)

take the challenge...find a better way to measure home court advantage - i don't pretend to think that this is the only or even best way to quantify home court advantage...it just happens to be the best way my pea brain can come up with :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
if a scale tops out at 200 lbs, and i put my 200+ pound body on said scale and it is unable to measure my exact weight, does the scale work?

No, it doesn't.  Why are you using a 200 pound scale to weigh a narch or a CaptJ?  It is the wrong scale.  It doesn't serve its intended purpose.  Find a grown-up scale, because this one doesn't work.  And neither does your formula.  You want to pick and choose when you use it, and that does not make for a valid methodology. 

Geez, I give up.  If you can't see that then you are the one that needs to open your mind and be enlightened.  You are using the wrong scale!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2006, 05:10:00 PM
take the challenge...find a better way to measure home court advantage - i don't pretend to think that this is the only or even best way to quantify home court advantage...it just happens to be the best way my pea brain can come up with :)

I don't think that it can be quantified.  Even though I have suggested it myself, I don't like using home winning percentage by itself because it doesn't consider the weaker teams.  A weak team could have the noisiest gym, the most abusive fans, could be located thousands of miles from the visiting team (making travel to play there grueling), and its players could be truly inspired to play their absolute BEST ball at home.  But, they still lose.  Does that mean that their gym is NOT a tough place to play?  Heck, no.  I think only the players can answer this.  Where are they intimidated?  Where do they hate to go?  Where do they perform at their worst?  Get them to answer those three questions and you will have the answer, but I don't think it can be quantified with any formula. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2006, 08:58:05 PM
Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 06:04:29 PMYou are using the wrong scale!
but it works :)

i've wrapped my noodle around this, and here is what i've come up with...i'm calling it effective home court advantage index or EHCAI

EHCAI = overall win % + h/r win % differential/2

higher EHCAI rewards good teams who play especially well at home - here is how the usasac stacks up over the last 5 years

team  EHCAI  win %
cnu - .470 - .76
mc  - .440 - .76
su  - .425 - .48
ncw - .385 - .58
gc  - .360 - .50
au  - .255 - .27
fc    - .225 - .27

and the last 3 years
(which is really all that matters since nobody who played 4 or 5 years ago is still playing)

team  EHCAI  win %
mc - .540 - .83
su - .490 - .53
cnu - .440 - .73
gc - .365 - .58
ncw - .300 - .50
fc - .215 - .28
au - .165 - .18

man, i've gone to great effort to prove something we all knew already...hanes is NOT the toughest place to play in the conference :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 19, 2006, 10:19:04 PM
Quote
man, i've gone to great effort to prove something we all knew already...hanes is NOT the toughest place to play in the conference

I freakin love it!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:42:15 PM
narch -

I know that you're determined to reduce something intangible into something quantitative, but I still say it doesn't work.  There are so many variables that it just can't be done.  For example, you're not allowing for the possibility that a team may not be very good at playing away games.  Sound familiar?  For at least a couple of years in a row now CNU fans (and others) have bemoaned the fact that we're not "road tough" enough because of all of the home games we play in our non-conference schedule.  With EHCAI, wouldn't CNU actually have a higher score if that were true?  I just think that there are too many variables, and you're right... we've "proven" that GC isn't the toughest place to play.  Let's talk about the matchups this weekend.

Saturday
Shenandoah at Averett – Averett easily
CNU at Ferrum – CNU starters blow out Ferrum and rest for Sunday
NCWesleyan at Greensboro – GC not such a tough place to play, Bishops no longer underachieving (they made me eat those words)

Sunday
Shenandoah at Ferrum – I really, really want to pick Ferrum (but can't)
CNU at Averett – I really, really want to pick my Captains (and do; I'm not jumping overboard yet)

Monday
NCWesleyan at Methodist – This one is tough.  I want to think that the Bishops caught my guys on an off night and that we're better than they are.  But if they are as good as they seemed, the Monarchs could be in trouble if they haven't gotten their house in order yet.  Playing at Maryville on Saturday is not going to help if the Monarchs go down hard and come back with even more questions.  I'm going with the hunch that CNU had a bad night and that the Bishops played their absolute best to beat us, and that they can't do the same to the Monarchs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 20, 2006, 01:35:20 AM
Quote
EHCAI = overall win % + h/r win % differential/2

I thought Pi*2 x radius = EHCAI?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 08:16:19 AM
Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:42:15 PMFor example, you're not allowing for the possibility that a team may not be very good at playing away games.

isn't this just a different way of saying a team plays better, or "tougher" at home?? thus has a home-court advantage??

Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:42:15 PMFor at least a couple of years in a row now CNU fans (and others) have bemoaned the fact that we're not "road tough" enough because of all of the home games we play in our non-conference schedule.  With EHCAI, wouldn't CNU actually have a higher score if that were true?

it would be higher if the moaning that cnu fans have done was merited...you're confusing fan perception with reality...the numbers show that in conference games, cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home (a 6 game swing over a 5 year span and cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins)...the monarchs are the only team that has a lower winning % differential - the PERCEPTION that cnu loses much more on the road than they do at home is simply not reality

i like your analysis of this weekend's action, but i think the monarchs are playing better and i think things are starting to come together - there has been some addition by subtraction with the loss of hairston and 2 others - i think some chemistry is starting to form and i think there is a more established rotation - i'm still worried about a team that has lost double digit leads in the 2nd half of all 3 conference games, but i think the coaching staff can fix that - m'ville is a tough match up for the monarchs, but they aren't unbeatable - the game earlier in the season was close and the monarchs were playing worse than they are now (although it was a home tilt and this is a long trip) - i don't think the outcome of the game on saturday will have ANYTHING to do with the game monday...the monarchs WILL be ready for ncwc, and i, too, think they will win

here are my other picks
saturday - averett, cnu, ncwc
sunday - su, au in a nail biter
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: narch on January 20, 2006, 08:16:19 AM
it would be higher if the moaning that cnu fans have done was merited...you're confusing fan perception with reality...the numbers show that in conference games, cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home (a 6 game swing over a 5 year span and cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins)...the monarchs are the only team that has a lower winning % differential - the PERCEPTION that cnu loses much more on the road than they do at home is simply not reality

Whoa!  That's way too complex for me to digest this early in the morning.  You're the man, narch.  A plus one from me coming your way, and maybe another one later (after my brain is firing on all seven cylinders) if you convince me that CNU's a good away team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 11:05:35 AM
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with Bull----!

I think Narch passed  on the dazzling part!!  :o

Captj, I tried to read that comment - it's after 11 and still early to try to figure that out!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 11:29:48 AM
"The New World" opens today in theaters everywhere.  If you've ever wondered who Christopher Newport was, go see it.  Or go see it because you like good movies.  CaptJ calls it a "must see".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 11:32:49 AM
Captj,

how do you know it's a good movie if it opens today? Did you see it already? If so, you need a real job!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 11:32:49 AM
Captj,

how do you know it's a good movie if it opens today? Did you see it already? If so, you need a real job!  ;D

Come on... you get the Daily Press; good reviews.  Aren't the critics always right?  But the most important reason it's good is because it has THE Captain Chris in it, and I'm not talking about that guy with the giant fiberglass head working the crowd at CNU athletic events.  That makes it a MUST SEE.  You know you'll be there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: narch on January 20, 2006, 08:16:19 AM
it would be higher if the moaning that cnu fans have done was merited...you're confusing fan perception with reality...the numbers show that in conference games, cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home (a 6 game swing over a 5 year span and cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins)...the monarchs are the only team that has a lower winning % differential - the PERCEPTION that cnu loses much more on the road than they do at home is simply not reality

I'll try to break this down a piece at a time. 

"in conference games" - We're talking about conference games only.  So far, so good.

"cnu has just one less road win than the monarchs over that span ranking second in road conference wins" – Ok, this is easy enough.  Only MC has more road wins than the Captains (and the difference is just 1 win over 5 years; MC 23-10, CNU 22-11).  Continuing this thought;
CNU: 22-11 (away) + 28-5 (home) = 50-16 (overall)
MC: 23-10 (away) = 27-6 (home) = 50-16 (overall)
So, if the 2 teams have the same overall record AND MC has more away victories (but not by much), you would have to say that MC is at least a little bit better than CNU playing away.  Or that CNU is at least a little bit better playing at home.  Right?

Now, I don't know what "cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home" means, or what "the moaning that cnu fans have done" means, but I can at least figure out that the Monarchs are a better away team than the Captains (but not by much), and you therefore have NOT convinced me that we're a good away team. 

So... no additional karma points from me, but I did give you one already for the effort.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 20, 2006, 12:28:14 PM
A Ferrum we will go, a Ferrum we will go. Hi ho the darey oh a Ferrum we will go!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: captj on January 20, 2006, 08:31:24 AM
if you convince me that CNU's a good away team.

i couldn't care less about the karma, but i'll give convincing you a try - keep in mind that it's all relative...EVERY team in the conference is better at home than on the road, but a team that wins 2/3 of their road games over the last 5 full seasons (not including this year) is statistically the 2nd best road team in the conference...and one of just 2 teams that win more than 50% of the time on the road - furthermore, there is only a 6 game difference in home and road wins over a 5 year period...that means cnu loses an average of 1.2 more road games than home games per year...to me, that is an acceptable differential for a team that is perceived to have such a strong home court advantage - you've lauded the cnu crowd and the intimidating nature of playing in the freeman center...cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road

Quote from: narch on January 18, 2006, 02:56:34 PMhere are the records for the last 5 years


teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su22-11.6710-23.30+.37
au13-20.395-28.15+.24
gc20-13.6113-20.39+.22
ncw22-11.6716-17.48+.19
cnu28-5.8522-11.67+.18
fc12-21.366-27.18+.18
mc27-6.8223-10.70+.12

now, if you were a su fan, you'd have a legit concern about your team's ability to win on the road :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 01:08:02 PM
I have to think that IF Averett sweeps the weekend series at home against Shenandoah and CNU they could get a vote or two for Top-25.  They have some bad losses, so it might not happen, but I'd sure like to see a USASAC team on that page again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: captj on January 20, 2006, 12:07:05 PMNow, I don't know what "cnu is only 18% worse on the road than they are at home" means,

85% (home winning %) - 67% (road winning percentage) = 18%

Quote from: captj on January 20, 2006, 12:07:05 PM
or what "the moaning that cnu fans have done" means

see your quote below

Quote from: captj on January 19, 2006, 10:42:15 PMFor at least a couple of years in a row now CNU fans (and others) have bemoaned the fact that we're not "road tough" enough because of all of the home games we play in our non-conference schedule.

this MAY apply come conference tournament time, but i clearly don't think it applies to regular season play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: captj on January 20, 2006, 11:29:48 AM
"The New World" opens today in theaters everywhere.  If you've ever wondered who Christopher Newport was, go see it.  Or go see it because you like good movies.  CaptJ calls it a "must see".

i couldn't care less about christopher newport, but i've seen a couple of trailers for the movie, and i'll definately get it when it comes out on dvd (i'm not big on going to the movies, but i'll bet that flick will be nice on the 36" tv with 7 speaker surround :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2006, 01:45:52 PM
Hello Narch:   Until Wednesday, I was afraid that Methodist would find Maryville basking in its press clippings but I am pretty sure they will be focused and paying attention Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 20, 2006, 01:45:52 PM
Hello Narch:   Until Wednesday, I was afraid that Methodist would find Maryville basking in its press clippings but I am pretty sure they will be focused and paying attention Saturday. 

good...if the monarchs win there will be no excuses from scots nation :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:07:50 PM
cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road


since CNU plays 17 home games and 8 "not at home" games....I would EXPECT a lot more than 1 more home victory.....If CNU wins 2/3 of the road games...about 5, then I should expect 6 home wins......hey Captj, maybe my 12-13 prediction was too optimistic!!!.......this is a tired topic with very flawed reasoning. It's AS BAD as the public/private debate.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 04:55:11 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 04:51:25 PM
Quote from: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:07:50 PM
cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road


since CNU plays 17 home games and 8 "not at home" games....I would EXPECT a lot more than 1 more home victory.....

Pretty sure that since this analysis is about conference games that CNU plays the same number of home and road games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 05:11:54 PM
Pat...sshhhhh.......I was "spinning".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 04:51:25 PMthis is a tired topic with very flawed reasoning. It's AS BAD as the public/private debate.

i disagree and i don't think it's flawed, if taken for what it is - statistically speaking there is a very CLEAR home court advantage for EVERY team in the conference - EVERY team wins more at home than they do on the road - 5 of the 7 teams in this conference had winning home conference records over the last 5 years while only 2 had a winning road record...that tells me something, even if it doesn't tell me which venue is the "toughest place to play in the conference" - as i analyze and pick games on this site, i always consider the venue...now i (and anyone else who wants to pick the games) have some hard facts to show which teams have played better on the road and at home over the last 3 and 5 years - the public/private debate will never change, but at least the home-court-advantage conversation is about something basketball related
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 20, 2006, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: narch on January 20, 2006, 01:07:50 PM
a team that wins 2/3 of their road games over the last 5 full seasons (not including this year) is statistically the 2nd best road team in the conference...and one of just 2 teams that win more than 50% of the time on the road - furthermore, there is only a 6 game difference in home and road wins over a 5 year period...that means cnu loses an average of 1.2 more road games than home games per year...to me, that is an acceptable differential for a team that is perceived to have such a strong home court advantage - you've lauded the cnu crowd and the intimidating nature of playing in the freeman center...cnu fans should EXPECT to win at least one more home game per year than they do on the road

Quote from: narch on January 18, 2006, 02:56:34 PMhere are the records for the last 5 years


teamhome recwin %away recwin %win % diff
su22-11.6710-23.30+.37
au13-20.395-28.15+.24
gc20-13.6113-20.39+.22
ncw22-11.6716-17.48+.19
cnu28-5.8522-11.67+.18
fc12-21.366-27.18+.18
mc27-6.8223-10.70+.12


You're right.  I'm convinced that against USASAC teams we are pretty good when we invade hostile territory.  The post that I replied to earlier didn't convince me, but this one did.  You're the man, narch!

Now... WHY HAVE WE ONLY WON AN AVERAGE OF ONE GAME A YEAR MORE AT HOME THAN ON THE ROAD?!  WE SHOULD DO BETTER THAN THAT AT HOME!!  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: narch on January 20, 2006, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 04:51:25 PMthis is a tired topic with very flawed reasoning. It's AS BAD as the public/private debate.

- statistically speaking there is a very CLEAR home court advantage

But here is where it gets flawed.....or giving you the benefit of the doubt it's where I get confused......suppose a team wins 85% at home and 86% on the road.....does that mean they don't enjoy home court advantage?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 05:19:32 PM
and I thought all this started to quell the claim that Haynes was the toughest place to play.......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2006, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 20, 2006, 05:17:35 PM
[But here is where it gets flawed.....or giving you the benefit of the doubt it's where I get confused......suppose a team wins 85% at home and 86% on the road.....does that mean they don't enjoy home court advantage?

in this scenario, home court provides no advantage from a win/loss percentage standpoint...you might be able to detect an advantage by looking at margin of victory, but that is a much more laborious analysis and something i don't care to perform...i'll take a one-point win 8 days a week - and you're right, this did start out as an exercise to prove that hanes is not the toughest place to play...funny how we haven't heard from any of the gc fans re: their claim since then...:)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 20, 2006, 08:51:17 PM
Anyone play tomorrow?? I seem to forget amongst the home/away banter!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2006, 11:11:27 PM
Narch's boys go to Tennessee and see whether Coach Lambert has managed to get the attention of the Scots after they slept through the first half of their game at Sewanee and made it pretty important not to lose to the Monarchs.  And Narch, there won't be any excuses from me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 21, 2006, 01:15:48 AM
Carnegie Mellon falls tonight to Case Western 72-69 for any cnu fans who care. Capts in a big one tomorrow (today now). Need to start the weekend off right with a W at Ferrum.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 21, 2006, 05:31:46 PM
umm...not good...m'ville 91 - mc 51 - WOW  :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 21, 2006, 05:58:28 PM
CNU 77
Ferrum 55

After trailing by as much as 11 in the first half, Selden hits a trey at the buzzer to send the Captains into the locker room at halftime down by just two.

Second half all Captains.

As Goose said in the radio broadcast... "a tale of two halves".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on January 21, 2006, 06:04:13 PM
GC 88 NCW 39

Beat Down at Hanes!

Women won by about 50 also.

Roll Pride!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 21, 2006, 06:15:44 PM
Great effort and execution by the Captains in the 2nd half.  Balanced scoring; Selden 15, Romeo 15, Lewis 13, Claxton 9, Blasingame 8, Riley 8.  Not a good day for Barton, but I'm not worried about him.  Good free throw shooting; 76% for the team (including Coleman's airball).  I feel good about the game at Averett tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 21, 2006, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: GCman82 on January 21, 2006, 06:04:13 PM
GC 88 NCW 39

Wow!  I'm impressed.  Maybe this Hanes gym is pretty tough to play in after all.  Check the box score to make sure GC didn't use a guy named Jordan (in his Hanes, get it?).

This might turn out to be one of those years when home court is more important than ever.  I hope that it is since we host the tourney this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 21, 2006, 06:31:04 PM
Wow GC took it to NCW!

CNU still has me nervous....I hate to use the cliche, but I can't think of a better phrase......which team will show up? The one that played against Lincoln, NCW, the first or second half of tonight's game?

I'm not as confident as Captj about tomorrow. It's tough to steal 2 away games in 2 days when you are inconsistent!

Narch - one word....ouch! What happened?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 21, 2006, 09:23:03 PM
Cougars keep it going, remaining undefeated in the conference with a big W today over Shenandoah, 69-50. Capts need to play solid for 40 mins Sunday. Huge game for the Capts and an even bigger game for the ever improving Cougars.

Still in shock over the spanking NCW took today, WOW.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 21, 2006, 09:56:17 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 21, 2006, 06:31:04 PMNarch - one word....ouch! What happened?

m'ville shot lights out...50+% from the field and 3 and just dominated mc - it's embarrassing, but not as bad as what happened to ncwc - i mean, m'ville REALLY IS a tough place to play and the scots are pretty darn good - monday should be an interesting matchup of two hurting teams
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 22, 2006, 05:54:01 AM
Mville is just a tough team for MC. This is where D. Smith needs to earn his COTY award.  Speaking of COTY, too early to start talking POTY?  ROTY, GOTY, (Gym of the year) (Game of the year maybe?).

Quote from: narch on January 21, 2006, 09:56:17 PM

monday should be an interesting matchup of two hurting teams


...Interesting...I hope its interesting. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 05:26:59 PM
Captains lead by 1 at the half and Blasingame opens the second half with a two-hand dunk and 2 more blocked shots.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 05:46:58 PM
Right now the GOTY is in Danville.  46-46 midway through the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:07:05 PM
Timeout with 3 minutes to go... Captains by 4.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:21:09 PM
Captains win!  CNU 73, Averett 65.  Captains win two games on the road trip.  Great game by the Captains.  Against a very hostile crowd, the Captains put together a tremendous TEAM effort. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:39:35 PM
The Liz Moore and Associates Team Player of the game is Davon Barton.  19 points on his 19th birthday.  Happy birthday, Davon!

I'm guessing that BEFORE the game this afternoon most of you USASAC guys on this board were (for the first time ever) pulling for CNU to win and keep the Cougars within reach.  I'm wondering... now that it's over are you glad that we won?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 22, 2006, 06:43:02 PM
Goose...can you say "rushed shot"  really fast three times in a row? Heck, can you say it once really slow?

Just kidding...my way of letting you know I listened to you guys on the radio....very nice job! Actually, I listened to the second half. The first half I had the football game on the tube and was napping in my new recliner!!

The caps stole2 on the road....nice going....it stays tough next weekend..bring on Narch!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 09:54:28 PM
Random observations from the CNU vs. Averett box score –

FGs
CNU 25/48 (52%)
AU 18/64 (28%) Cougars miss 46 shots; great defense by the Captains

3PTFGs
CNU 2/8 (25%) are we no longer a perimeter team?
AU 7/26 (27%)

REBs
CNU 8+30=38
AU 18+19=37

TO's
CNU 22 Way too many!
AU 16

FTs
CNU 21/28 (75%)
AU 22/25 (88%)
This one makes me feel so good.  This demonstrates how important those little 1-point opportunities really are.  Had we shot today like we did in the old days, we lose this game.  It's as simple as that.  Lots of our MADE free throws were on the front end of 1-and-1 opportunities.  When those rim out it's as good as a turnover.

Great game Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 22, 2006, 10:00:30 PM
By the way, "The New World" is a great movie.  Go see it.  Christopher Newport was a pretty interesting guy.  My favorite line from the movie... "Cut off his ears".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2006, 09:09:05 AM
Quote from: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:39:35 PMI'm guessing that BEFORE the game this afternoon most of you USASAC guys on this board were (for the first time ever) pulling for CNU to win and keep the Cougars within reach.  I'm wondering... now that it's over are you glad that we won?

yes, and here is why...every team now has at least 1 loss, meaning nobody has run away...plus, au has now played 5 conference games and being 5-0 would have meant a 2.5 game or better lead on every team...gotta keep everybody bunched up as long as possible

here is my pre-analysis of the game tonight...if the monarchs don't win, they will NOT win the usasac (or a share of the usasac) for the 4th straight year...i just don't think a team with 2 home conference losses will win the title
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 23, 2006, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: narch on January 23, 2006, 09:09:05 AM
Quote from: captj on January 22, 2006, 06:39:35 PMI'm guessing that BEFORE the game this afternoon most of you USASAC guys on this board were (for the first time ever) pulling for CNU to win and keep the Cougars within reach.  I'm wondering... now that it's over are you glad that we won?

yes, and here is why...every team now has at least 1 loss, meaning nobody has run away...plus, au has now played 5 conference games and being 5-0 would have meant a 2.5 game or better lead on every team...gotta keep everybody bunched up as long as possible

That's the obvious.  I just wondered if maybe you're concerned that maybe there is a new monster in the conference?  I think CNU made a HUGE statement by beating the team that most were beginning to think was the best in the conference (and beating them in THEIR gym).  I wish that we didn't have to wait a week to play your guys, narch.  We're obviously playing very well.  Basketball is a game of momentum, and this season the mo has definitely shifted to CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 23, 2006, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: narch on January 23, 2006, 09:09:05 AM
here is my pre-analysis of the game tonight...if the monarchs don't win, they will NOT win the usasac (or a share of the usasac) for the 4th straight year...i just don't think a team with 2 home conference losses will win the title

I'd say that is a pretty good assumption.  It's too bad that your guys get the Bishops after they have a humiliating loss.  They could be really fired up at the chance to beat the defending conference champs and get back on track, so to speak. 

But maybe Greensboro showed us all something... how to stop the Hall/Arrington attack.  After going off for 36 and 27 against CNU they go a combined 3 for 24 against Greensboro.  Go figure. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 23, 2006, 01:44:02 PM
Wow the monarchs are struggling. this is a huge game for themon monday vs. NCW.  getting beat by 40 in a non-conference game during your conference season is never good and to travel all the way to maryville to do it makes it worse.  I hope grant can start making some shots. that kid can really shoot, i wonder what's going on.  the stat that jumps out was 4 assist and 24 turnovers vs. maryville. must be alot of one on one plays.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2006, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on January 23, 2006, 01:44:02 PMI hope grant can start making some shots. that kid can really shoot, i wonder what's going on.  the stat that jumps out was 4 assist and 24 turnovers vs. maryville. must be alot of one on one plays.

the other number that jumps out at me is a 4, as well...just 4 shots for seth thomas - i like grant's shot...it looks PRETTY when it leaves his hands, but the fact is, he's never shot a high percentage (last 3 years he's shot 38%/40% as a frosh, 37%/30% as a soph, 41%/32% as a jr and now is at 33%/29%) - thomas, on the other hand is at 49%/43% right now...he NEEDS to be more assertive and shoot more
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 23, 2006, 10:22:59 PM
NCWesleyan wins at Methodist by 10.  Stick a fork in the Monarchs.  I am totally shocked.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 24, 2006, 02:54:50 AM
Whats that sound?.......Is that the wheels falling off?

No,  A little Ducttape here, the right motivation there, the season could still be bright...well, brightER.  The guys just need to pull together.  Right now MethCo needs to understand everyone has fun when they're winning, but its hard to win when you're not having fun.  Watch great teams.  Watch the faces of their players.  They're going hard, they're confidant, and they're having a good time.  I don't think thats happening right now. (not that I can see the faces) But from what I understand nobodys dishing out fun, everyone's on a different page.  (where are you?  "I'm in the glossary, where are you?"  What? I'm still in the preface). 

And I can understand it a little, High at the Start, get worked by a few teams, lose a few guys, theres some insider issues there, but the rest of the conf is only going to see Last Year's Champs, and theyre going to try to make them This Years Chumps.  Anyways, it's time for bed, I got class in the morning.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 08:38:47 AM
You're right, Soar.  It sure doesn't look good, but things COULD turn around.  But you know what?  It has to happen RIGHT NOW.  The season is actually winding down already.  The Monarchs almost need to win out just to end up with a record over .500, and of the 8 conference games remaining, 5 of them are away games.  This weekend at CNU and Shenandoah could put the lights out for good on the season that "could still be bright".

Here's what I am concerned about; that when MC arrives in Newport News this Saturday they will be as fired up to win as NCW was when they came into your place last night.  Do the MC players BELIEVE that they can win out the remaining games?  We'll see on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 08:44:11 AM
MC's surprising season has me wondering about the wisdom of such a brutal non-conference schedule.  Does "what what doesn't kill us" really make us stronger?  You would think that with an experienced team (like MC) a tough schedule WOULD make them better, at least that's the common wisdom.  But maybe it just isn't true.

I still think CNU needs to play a tougher non-conference schedule, but I'm glad that we didn't have MC's.  Certainly not this year with so many new faces.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2006, 08:44:44 AM
i didn't post last night to try to get a little separation from the game and my emotions - monarchs really played well the last 5 minutes of the first half to pull away and lead by 4 at the break, then stretched that lead a little (to 7 at one point) in the first 10 minutes of the second half and led by 6 with just under 10 minutes left...then things started to go astray for the monarchs - ncwc got back those 6 points with a quickness, and didn't look back - the monarchs looked very tired and out of breath, especially grant - he spent all night running around guarding lenny hall AND he carried the offensive load for the monarchs last night while playing 39 minutes...tough thing to do, and i thought that was one of the differences in the game...grant took a couple of shots toward the end that looked like shots a very tired player would take, and he started playing defense with his hands on hall, sending lenny to the stripe 16 times - other monarchs seemed a bit fatigued, as well - maybe this is why the monarchs have had difficulty closing out games in the 2nd half...maybe they aren't in great shape??

ncwc is VERY athletic and VERY long, but they're really a 2 man show with hall and arrington (#2 played well in spurts inside for them, as well and had 12 points) - the monarchs forced hall and arrington to shoot poorly from the field (combined 13-37), but they do such a great job of getting to the line and converting there that they combined to go 19-21 from the line - lenny got 30 and arrington got 21 - lenny certainly wasn't the same player i remember seeing last year - those guys, especially hall, really force officials to make a lot of calls - hall seems to lean into his defender on EVERY shot attempt, looking for the contact and foul - i'd like to see the officials call an offensive foul or eat their whistle on those plays, as it seemed to me that hall was initiating the contact, but that's tough for an official to do when the defender is moving with the offensive player and there is contact - 9 times out of 10 the offensive player is going to get the call, and hall really takes advantage of that - and he makes a team pay by converting a very high percentage of those ft's...i was impressed with his play

i'm not sure if the wheels are falling off or if you can put a fork in the monarchs, but this is an IMPORTANT weekend - mc NEEDS to win 2 road games against good teams to stay in the hunt

lastly, congrats to eugene grant on reaching the 1000 point mark!

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/ncwesleyan.htm)
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0123.htm)
fayetteville observer story (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=224995)

GO MONARCHS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 24, 2006, 09:20:27 AM
I agree with you narch about NCW being a two-man show with Hall and Arrington. Can you honestly tell me that Arrington is a legit D3 freshman?? Do you think he belongs at a higher level?? I do!! That kid can play!! But I think as those two go, NCW goes. Perfect example is against us and you and then at Greensboro. The two combined to go 3-for-24 at GC and against us they were a combined 17-of-35 and 24-of-28 from the free throw line. Im guessing now opposing teams cant let the two of them get to the stripe cause they both are outstanding free throw shooters. At one point I said to someone let Arrington get his and shut everyone else down but if you cant shut them both than look out!! (Reminds me of William Paterson in 2001, sorry CNU fans, hated to bring that back up!!)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 24, 2006, 11:13:02 AM
PS Narch - Where was Shuford?? I heard he didnt show up till late in the first half. Class?? Military?? Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 24, 2006, 12:04:04 PM
Tough loss and very tough weekend ahead for Monarchs.  Coach Smith started the small lineup on monday with thomas at 4. It's good to see Grant come out a little more aggressive, but thomas still is not shooting enough. Their seniors has got to step up and demand the ball and have a big weekend if they want a chance to turn this season around. 
Congrats to Grant on his 1000, wish that kid was having a better senior year. He is a great kid and extremely hard worker. 
Scary thought for you Narch what happens when those two leave Grant and Thomas.  McDonald is talented and it appears he would be their go to player as a sophmore, is this a correct assessment?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 24, 2006, 12:07:25 PM
Isoar the monarchs could use you right now, go in there and rally the troops
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2006, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 24, 2006, 11:13:02 AM
PS Narch - Where was Shuford?? I heard he didnt show up till late in the first half. Class?? Military?? Just curious.

uniform...i saw him running out of the gym with a green uni on (everyone else had a yellow uni on) and about 20 minutes later he came back in with the same uniform as the rest of the team

i think arrington is right where he belongs - he wasn't overly impressive - he's athletic as all get out, but he takes some really bad shots and he disappeared for long stretches last night, not to mention the poor shooting % (6-17, 4-12)  - i'm sure he's at ncwc for a reason, and i'll bet it has something to do with limited options, but i don't think he's some kind of super freak who doesn't belong in division 3 - there isn't a HUGE gap between d2 and d3 talent (monarch96 and hoopshops can probably attest to that) and he's NOT a d1 player - the biggest difference between d2 and d3 teams is depth of talent, not individual talent

96...i don't even want to think about life w/o thomas and grant quite yet - i think fred mcdonald and travis mcbryde both have a bright future for the monarchs - it's unfortunate that mc was unable to land a couple of high quality big men (other than mcbryde) in the last few recruiting classes - i know the staff was chasing some good ones...ben strong who ended up at guilford (and is leading the odac in scoring right now) and a couple of quality student-athletes that passed up winning for dollars at uncp - i'd feel much better if one or two of those guys were in the rotation and getting regular pt for the monarchs so that they were in position to take a larger role in the future, but they aren't, so the coaches have to work to bring some kids who can make an impact QUICKLY into the fold next year...still too much season left to start thinking about next year - i saw enough out of the monarchs to know the talent and ability is there, it just needs to be uncovered for 40 minutes

and, yes, isoar would be tremendously appreciated this year (although i think he was very much UNDERAPPRECIATED last year...including by me :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 05:50:16 PM
Another bad sign... Monarch fans talking about next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2006, 04:19:27 PM
uniform...i saw him running out of the gym with a green uni on (everyone else had a yellow uni on) and about 20 minutes later he came back in with the same uniform as the rest of the team

Who was it in the Super Bowl that took so much heat for not being able to find his helmet?  Thurman Thomas for the Bills?  Uh... how many Super Bowls did the Bills win?

Twenty minutes into the game?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 24, 2006, 08:43:40 PM
Speaking of 1000 point scorers... CNU is about to celebrate another member of the club.  Jeremy Romeo is about 3 or 4 games away from the milestone.  Jeremy is one of the most pure shooters I've ever seen in the Freeman Center (and a great defender), and although I've been hard on him for not performing to the often unrealistic expectations that CNU fans have placed on him, I predict that more than a couple of the points that bring him closer to the milestone will also bring about the demise of CNU opponents.  With some players I am a little bit apprehensive when they launch a shot, but when Jeremy takes a shot I EXPECT it to go in.  Fire away, Jeremy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 09:35:47 AM
captj-
   At the rate Romeo is going, it could be a while before he gets the final 57 points he needs to reach 1,000 for his career!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 25, 2006, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 25, 2006, 09:35:47 AM
captj-
   At the rate Romeo is going, it could be a while before he gets the final 57 points he needs to reach 1,000 for his career!!

Booo!  Hisss!  Oh ye of little faith!  I think Jeremy is about to go off on the USASAC teams we play.  He's far too good a shooter not to.  Four games max.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 25, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
Not giving up on the season, the thought just crossed my mind. I too think the monarchs have enough talent to compete for the title this year and hopefully they will step up and get it done.

Back to narchs statement about the difference between division I and division II. I can only base this on the teams that I've seen. I've seen the last two division II national champions personally and they were very athletic teams and I haven't seen any team at the division III level that could have competed with those guys. I have never seen the division III champion though so to be honest I couldn't compare.  In this region if you break it down by state it gets a little easier to compare. The really good DII's Mt. Olive, Queens, Pfeiffer, JC Smith, St. Augs, Catawba.  probably wouldn't have a problem with the dIII's in this state.  Simply because across the board they have more talent and are well coached.  There are some DII's that do well with great coaching and effort that some of the DIII's (Guilford, Methodist in a good year, NCW in a good year) could compete with like Barton, Lenoir Rhyne, WSSU.  I think alot of the better DIII's in virginia CNU, Hampton Sydney, Va Weslyan, etc. could compete with the DII's up there with the exception of Va. Union (last years national champ).  The other dII's up there for the most part have athletes, but lack fundamentals.  When you go south, I'm not aware of any DIII's in SC. Then when you hit Ga. and Florida it's not even close. 1st their are limited DIII's down there and 2nd those DII's play a very high level of basketball and some could compete in alot of the DI conferences (ex: Kennesaw State 2004 division II national champ is playing it's first year of DI and is 1st place in their conference Atlantic Sun). 

I'm sure I will get alot of feedback from such a long post so let the debates begin
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 25, 2006, 12:33:27 PM
I don't think that you'll get too much debate since the teams that might be offended (the DII schools) aren't even going to see the post.  Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that most of us on this board (myself included) have NO CLUE about the DII programs and their competitiveness or superiority over DIII schools.  I have no desire to follow teams that aren't competing against CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 12:41:59 PM
Quoteuniform...i saw him running out of the gym with a green uni on (everyone else had a yellow uni on) and about 20 minutes later he came back in with the same uniform as the rest of the team

What?? Are you kidding me?? How can you have on a green uniform at home?? Ive never heard that. How can a player make that mistake?? I know he's not 18, right? But I just cant believe that a player, playing at home, would go out there with a green uniform on and then not return until late in the first half, hearing this from someone who was in attendance.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 25, 2006, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on January 25, 2006, 11:36:00 AMThe really good DII's Mt. Olive, Queens, Pfeiffer, JC Smith, St. Augs, Catawba.  probably wouldn't have a problem with the dIII's in this state.  Simply because across the board they have more talent and are well coached.  There are some DII's that do well with great coaching and effort that some of the DIII's (Guilford, Methodist in a good year, NCW in a good year) could compete with like Barton, Lenoir Rhyne, WSSU.

96 - the list of not-so-good d2's in nc is at least as long as the list of good programs - no question in my mind that the upper tier of the usasac would be competetive if they played chowan, ecsu, barton (most years...they're pretty good this year at 12-1), uncp, st. andrews,  shaw, nccu, fsu, and mars hill - i'm not saying any usasac would win this make-believe conference (although it could happen), but a team like cnu or averett or mc or ncwc wouldn't finish last in this conference, either

the monarchs have scrimmaged teams like uncp, barton and sapc and faired VERY WELL, and we know the monarchs can beat fsu :)...if i'm not mistaken, fsu won the west division of the ciaa the season the monarchs beat them (but i could be wrong)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 25, 2006, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 25, 2006, 12:41:59 PMWhat?? Are you kidding me?? How can you have on a green uniform at home?? Ive never heard that. How can a player make that mistake?? I know he's not 18, right? But I just cant believe that a player, playing at home, would go out there with a green uniform on and then not return until late in the first half, hearing this from someone who was in attendance.

goose, you don't NEED to believe it, but i have no reason to fabricate that story...i saw the dude wearing a green uniform in warm-ups, then i saw him run out of the gym and come back about 6-8 minutes into the first half with a gold uniform on - there may have been other reasons that i'm not aware of which lead to his not being on the bench and in the proper uniform, but i have no reason to believe it's anything other than what it appears...a player came to the gym wearing the wrong uniform (or put on the wrong uniform when he got to the gym, or in some other way had the wrong uniform on :))

i don't want to harp on shuford, but i did notice something else that i thought was peculiar, and monarch96, i'd love to get your take as a former 2 sport athlete (right?) - at halftime, the fall all-conference performers and conference champions (or co-champs :)) were recognized - shuford was both a 2nd team all-conference performer and a co-champion as a db for the football team - he spent the ENTIRE half-time break on the court with the football team, rather than in the locker room with his hoops teammates - it struck me as odd that he wouldn't be in the locker room at halftime of a close conference game, getting coaching and instruction from the basketball coach - i'm sure his football teammates would have understood why he wasn't with them had he done this - i'm sure coach smith was aware of this situation and gave the ok, and i'm not being critical of him or shuford, i just found it a bit odd and interesting
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on January 25, 2006, 02:26:03 PM
What the h*ll are wrong with my Hornets!? :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 03:15:02 PM
I was wondering where you were hiding?? You and rumple have been awwwwful quiet this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 03:39:33 PM
Ooook narch. Thanks for helping me out there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 25, 2006, 05:12:25 PM
I agree narch the good USA South teams could definitely compete with the middle of the pack to bottom level dII's.

The shuford thing is very interesting, both wearing the wrong uniform and not being with the team at half time.  I'm only guessing, but he probably wasn't with the team prior to the game, being that he had on the wrong uniform to begin.  This means not only did he miss the half time adjustments, he also missed the pre-game talk.  I love the fact that the kid wants to do two sports, but when in season for one, that one sport should be his priority.  I think the hardest part of doing two sports, especailly in college is that you have two totally different sets of teammates.  The student athlete try to figure out which group does he belong to.  I think it's easier to do in high school because alot of athletes play multi sports in high school. In college don't see it as much and don't have anyone to pattern your behavior after.  It has got to be especially hard for this young man going from a winning team to a losing team.

Go Monarchs let's get these next two.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on January 25, 2006, 05:40:51 PM
Sorry Goose, at least I didn't show up only after that 8-2 start...lol...and came after a current 4 game losing streak...OUCH!!!!!  I will be more active though the rest of the season starting with this weekend!   I am driving down from the hood (Bethesda/Chevy Chase) to Wicked Winchester and catching my boys in action.  Do you think they will welcome me with 2 W's or will I report back with the answer to my own question?  3 game winning streak starts tonight with Hood!



P.S.  Someone who has been more MIA then me...Swoosh3, where is my homeboy hiding @?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 25, 2006, 10:39:55 PM
Another heartbreaker for SU. Drop a one point decision to Hood at home on a free throw.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 26, 2006, 09:03:56 AM
Current standing –
Averett 4-1 (13-5)
CNU 3-1 (12-5)
NCWesleyan 3-1 (5-11)
Greensboro 2-2 (6-9)
Methodist 2-2 (4-12)
Ferrum 1-4 (5-13)
Shenandoah 0-4 (8-7)

Predictions for the weekend –
Methodist at CNU – Captains in a close one
Averett at NCWesleyan – Bishops in the semi-upset
Methodist at Shenandoah – Monarchs in a close game between two disappointed teams
Greensboro at CNU – Captains
Ferrum at NCWesleyan – Bishops

Predicted new standing after the weekend –
CNU 5-1 (14-5)
NCWesleyan 5-1 (7-11)
Averett 4-2 (13-6)
Methodist 3-3 (5-13)
Greensboro 2-3 (6-10)
Ferrum 1-5 (5-14)
Shenandoah 0-5 (8-8)

I really like how things look for the Captains right now.  We've got 5 of our 8 remaining games at home.  But, we end the season with our annual NC road trip through Greensboro and Fayetteville, which is ALWAYS tough.  I'm hoping we have the conference regular season title already in the bag by that time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 26, 2006, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: captj on January 26, 2006, 09:03:56 AM
Current standing –
Averett 4-1 (13-5)
CNU 3-1 (12-5)
NCWesleyan 3-1 (5-11)
Greensboro 2-2 (6-9)
Methodist 2-2 (4-12)
Ferrum 1-4 (5-13)
Shenandoah 0-4 (8-7)

the monarchs need to go 2-0 this weekend to stay in contention...stealing 2 on the road, against these two teams is darn near impossible, but it has to be done to make up for the 2 home losses - the talent and ability is there...when will monarch fans see it? - i'm hoping that it's this weekend - an 0-2 weekend would be devastating, a 1-1 weekend would not be ideal, but i think 3 losses are all a team can safely withstand and still win the championship, which means sweeping the second half of the conference games if they go 1-1...not likely to happen
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 26, 2006, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: narch on January 26, 2006, 01:01:40 PM
the talent and ability is there...when will monarch fans see it?

The fans may already see it.  The PLAYERS need to see it.  Fans can scream, stomp their feet, berate the opponents and officials, but we can't go onto the floor and really impact the outcome.  I know because there have been times when I've wanted to, even though the only thing that I might still be able to do is commit a flagrant foul (and Cheney isn't the CNU coach's name).

The players have to believe it, narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 26, 2006, 03:46:57 PM
Captj - the next time CNU plays poorly, I think you should run out on the floor, steal the ball, and bounce one in!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 26, 2006, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 26, 2006, 03:46:57 PM
Captj - the next time CNU plays poorly, I think you should run out on the floor, steal the ball, and bounce one in!!

You got that right!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bspears on January 26, 2006, 05:42:34 PM
As Goose reported, SU drops another heartbreaker at the end, this time at the line.  Strong starts followed by losing streaks are becoming all too common at SU (year after year).  Come on fellas, we can't afford to drop all six in round one of conference action.  This weekend my boys turn it around with my support!

GO HORNETS! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 26, 2006, 08:53:29 PM
Hopefully Steven Johns will return this weekend and help the cause.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on January 27, 2006, 12:26:18 AM
I think Narc summed up the way I feel about this weekend.

Averett at NCWesleyan –  AU out plays NCW.

Greensboro at SU -  SU drops another one.

Greensboro at CNU – CNU rebounds and beats GC.

Ferrum at NCWesleyan – Is this really a question?

(Please Note the following predictions are for trash talking only: )

Methodist at CNU – This is the story of Long long drive, and a team with little Confidence... that rolls in and steals one.  (right?)

Methodist at Shenandoah – MC 2-and-ohMy for the weekend. SU Ohmy and 2
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 27, 2006, 09:22:52 AM
I missed the Greensboro at Shenandoah game in my predictions above - I'm going with the home team to break into the conference W column for the first (but not last) time this season.

Predicted (REVISED) new standing after the weekend –
CNU 5-1 (14-5)
NCWesleyan 5-1 (7-11)
Averett 4-2 (13-6)
Methodist 3-3 (5-13)
Greensboro 2-4 (6-11)
Shenandoah 1-5 (9-8)
Ferrum 1-5 (5-14)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 27, 2006, 11:41:48 AM
Huge weekend in the USA South. Be interesting to see how things play out once 6 pm Sunday rolls around. Im pumped. I think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 27, 2006, 02:04:50 PM



       
   Re: USA South Conference
« Reply #1042 on: Today at 12:26:18 AM »   
I think Narc summed up the way I feel about this weekend.

Averett at NCWesleyan –  AU out plays NCW.

Greensboro at SU -  SU drops another one against the Pride Which is comming off a stunning victory

Greensboro at CNU – GC Continues with a second key win. I think this one will be a close one.

Ferrum at NCWesleyan – Ive seen both teams play and the Panthers should roll over NCW

Methodist at CNU – Methodist

Methodist at Shenandoah – Methodist
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 27, 2006, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 27, 2006, 02:04:50 PM



       Greensboro at CNU – GC Continues with a second key win. I think this one will be a close one.


I'm biting my tongue, trying to stay away from the immature and unneccessary comments....it's soooo hard! CNU wins by 20!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 27, 2006, 04:13:22 PM
Gullett has picked CNU to lose two this weekend.
I've picked Greensboro to lose two this weekend.
This should be interesting. ;D ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 27, 2006, 04:22:39 PM
Check your records, Gullett.  Has Greensboro EVER swept the road trip through Winchester and Newport News?  I seriously doubt it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 27, 2006, 09:53:40 PM
cnu85 and captj-
    Im curious to see what kind of crowd we get this weekend. This is the first game since, sheesh, what, VA Wesleyan that all the students will be back on campus. I hope they come out in force, I know they dept is trying to promote the heck out of it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 28, 2006, 10:35:13 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 27, 2006, 09:53:40 PM
cnu85 and captj-
    Im curious to see what kind of crowd we get this weekend. This is the first game since, sheesh, what, VA Wesleyan that all the students will be back on campus. I hope they come out in force, I know they dept is trying to promote the heck out of it.

I saw the BIG paid ad in the DP sports section yesterday, and if the students are ever going to turn out in force, this should be the game.  The afternoon game shouldn't interfere with studies or nightlife plans too much.  I hope they rock the house.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 05:27:47 PM
Last check, Averett up 9 in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 05:48:33 PM
GC 70-68 Final over Shenahdoah.

AU was up five last check.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 06:14:36 PM
Averett 89, NC Wesleyan 81 Final
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 28, 2006, 06:27:32 PM
Wow!! What a game. Even when MC tied it up at 22, I wasn't worried. I figured CNU would win by 15 at that point. MC just played aweful. 32% shooting, air balls on free throws, losing a dribble when not defended. I can only remember once in the entire game thinking, "nice play" when MC had the ball. CNU was sporadic, not their best effort of the year. Gave up too many offensive rebounds to MC.

I like Selden's play and attitude. I'll make him my favorite player this year (like that means anything!). A few times when he was playing point he dribbled past Grant and was laughing. Grant couldn't keep up. MC was timid. I might get the players mixed up but it was either Grant or Lee who got their first foul with 3:57 left in the game. The other guy got his second with 1:33 left in the game.

Play of the game....Billy Mac stealing the ball at the top of the key, dribbles down the side, then across the middle, then skies from the free throw line....only to miss the dunk....still the play of the game!

Nice crowd - anyone know the attendance? Students were a force! The crowd was the reason MC had the air ball on the FT.

GC comes to town tomorrow!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 28, 2006, 08:33:44 PM
1682 CNU85 was the att.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2006, 09:19:52 PM
congrats to the capts...looks like this might be a long season for my boys, but they've gotta salvage one on sunday - looks like the cnu defense really showed up today

who would've thought that the mc/su game would be a battle of teams with such dismal conference records...and the two pre-season favorites for poty have really fallen with thomas not playing very well and onyie out for the rest of the season...i certainly didn't imagine this match up would be like this - still gotta get a w...they might be tough to come by from here on out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 29, 2006, 10:36:40 AM
Narch,

one thing I always hold out hope for is how the team is playing going into the conference tournament. Regular season really doesn't matter if you can't get it done in the tourney! Maybe your boys will get it together by then.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 10:39:30 AM
Random thoughts on the CNU (13-5, 4-1) win over Methodist (4-13, 2-3) –

The Captains dominated this game almost from buzzer to buzzer.  Except for a stretch late in the 1st half when they went to sleep (almost literally), they just dominated the Monarchs.  And they did it the way they have won most of their games this year; with a smothering defense.  I heard on the radio before the game that CNU was 9th (I think) in the country in fg% defense at 38% for the year.  The Monarch's 32% in this game is only going to improve that number.

The Captains were on fire offensively in the 2nd half.  Either that or Methodist just quit and stopped defending.  We shot 69% from the floor, 80% from long, and 83% from the charity stripe.

Although this was another great TEAM effort, there were also some strong individual performances as well.  Barton had 10 points, 3 rebounds, 4 steals, and 6 assists to just 3 turnovers.  Blasingame protected the paint with stifling defense and had 11 rebounds and 5 blocks.  I found myself hoping that the Methodist post players would try to shoot on him.

Jeremy Romeo hustled the entire game.  He dove for loose balls, defended Seth Thomas most of the game, and shot the rock like he did last year.  He ended up with 18.  Thomas ended up with 8 points, with half of those near the end with CNU's 3rd team in the game.  And, oh yeah, it was his birthday.  Happy birthday Jeremy.  I hope a lot more of our guys have birthdays on game days.  I think this is the third time this season we've had a birthday boy play great in a winning cause on his birthday (Purdham and Barton were the others).

At times Korey Lewis was unstoppable.  I continue to be amazed that he can miss so many oh-so-close shots that rim out or just don't seem to fall the right way.  I'd still like to see him collect more rebounds.

Jahmar Claxton was his usual effective self.  10 points on 4 for 5 shooting, and 6 rebounds in just 15 minutes off the bench. 

Edward Riley also tough off the bench with 8 points on 3 for 5 shooting and 4 rebounds in 14 minutes.

Although the Liz Moore & Associates Team Player of the Game Award went to Claxton, I think that the broadcast team blew that call.  The Captains were lead, once again, by Donta Selden.  He was 7 of 8 from the floor, 1 for 1 from long, and 3 for 3 from the free throw line for 18 points.  He collected 5 rebounds, and did it among the trees.  His 6 turnovers ruined what was an almost perfect game.

And in reference to the question from a few days ago about players staying out at halftime for non-basketball award ceremonies; Matt Coleman was recognized for academic excellence (along with about 100 other student-athletes).  I was glad to see a basketball player being recognized, and don't have a problem with him missing the strategy session.

Now the Monarchs –

What was up with Shuford?  Did he lose his jersey again?  Zero PT in the first half.  Zero points in the second half.

Did someone slip Radmanovic a sleeping pill at halftime?  In the first half he had 9 and 7.  In the second he had 0 and 0.  He had just one foul in the game, also in the first half.  He played 9 minutes in the second half and did nothing.

I don't see a POTY on this team.  Like I said above, Thomas was shut down by Romeo, who is 3 inches shorter.  Grant was pretty good, but I'm not overly impressed. 

The flagrant foul by McDonald (I think) on the Romeo breakaway was totally uncalled for.  Sometimes you should just let them go in for the score.  Sure, he was successful in preventing Jeremy from landing hard, but what if he hadn't been able to?  Taking a shot at a guy who is in the air and completely vulnerable is just cheap, and that's what it was; a cheap shot.

Bring on Greensboro!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 10:55:26 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 28, 2006, 06:27:32 PM
Play of the game....Billy Mac stealing the ball at the top of the key, dribbles down the side, then across the middle, then skies from the free throw line....only to miss the dunk....still the play of the game!

That was a pretty incredible play.  When he started to descend it looked like someone had thrown him from the rafters.  He was that high.  And the miss was because he was too long on it, not short.  And I really think that fat zebra blew the call at the buzzer when he waved off the similar dunk that would have made it a 20 point win.

Here's a play for CJ to implement - have the other guys on the team spread the defense as wide as possible, isolating Billy Mac and his guy at the top of the key.  There's not a player in this conference that could prevent him from slamming it home.  His ball handling, speed and height are unstoppable one-on-one. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 29, 2006, 12:52:43 PM
CaptJ,
I give you credit for past posts and won't just dismiss you as nuts (as you have of GCGullet), you are usually quite entertaining...but your comments on the CNU/MC game were unusual to me?  CNU outplayed MC no doublt, but....

1.  It was Grant (not McDonald) called for the flagarant.  I guarantee you he had two things on his mind, one being to not give up two easy points and two being to not hurt Romeo.  IMHO it was a bad call to be a flagarant foul.  Regardless of the call, (I guess I could see how it could be flagarant if i squinted hard) it was not a cheap shot or a dirty play.

2.  That 9th in the country defensive FG% stat is inflated due to competition. 

3.  What abou that really tall sub- did you see him get a defensive rebound and then do an Allen Iverson-like killer crossover in the paint of the other team only to have it stripped for an easy bucket.  I'm pretty sure just putting the ball over his head and passing would've been just fine there.  Bottom line- his two highlights were MISSING a dunk and dunking one after the buzzer sounded.  I'm not sure if that is enough to be considered unstopable one on one by anyone in the conference?

Anyway, just thought those were interesting posts? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: captj on January 29, 2006, 10:39:30 AM
The flagrant foul by McDonald (I think)

You'll see that I wasn't sure that it was McDonald.  Either way, taking a shot at a guy that is in the air and completely vulnerable is IMHO a cheap shot.

And when did I say that Gullett was "nuts"?  I actually admire a guy that goes to the board strong for his team, even if I don't agree with him.

And about the poor decision that Billy Mac made... maybe that's why he's warming the bench.  That doesn't have anything to do with his ability to go to the hoop when he's isolated against one guy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 29, 2006, 06:21:51 PM
Quote from: leroy on January 29, 2006, 12:52:43 PM
CaptJ,

A -  (I guess I could see how it could be flagarant if i squinted hard)

B - That 9th in the country defensive FG% stat is inflated due to competition. 

Responses -

A - I had to squint hard, too. I almost missed the guy carrying Jeremy out of bounds and almost into the first row of bleachers.

B - I would agree if it was still early in the season. People seem to forget that CNU has played 3 teams that, at the time, were ranked opponents. Also, since CNU is continuing its defensive play into the conference, I'm assuming your post means that the conference is weak and thus "inflating" the stats??? I'd have to check the % for conference games only. Narch can look that up - it's his specialty. Either way, the stats are what they are. I agree if CNU was in Wisconsin, the stats might be different. You just don't know for a fact, you can only speculate.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 29, 2006, 06:23:10 PM
Another dominating win for the Captains! Time to head west and try to steal one from SU. It's not going to be easy!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 06:50:39 PM
I've been thinking about the flagrant foul call on the Methodist defender yesterday afternoon.  I'll retract the "cheap shot" comment and change it to "VERY irresponsible".  I agree wholeheartedly that shots should be contested, but when the defender doesn't even go after the ball and hits him hard when he is in a vulnerable position, that is VERY irresponsible.  Those two points are not worth injuring someone over.  These guys are incredible athletes, and you can't tell me that the defender didn't make a conscious decision that he was going to do whatever it took to prevent Romeo from scoring.  Cheap shot?  Maybe that's too harsh.  But it was very, very irresponsible, and in my humble opinion, there is no place for that type of play in basketball.  It's just not worth it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 29, 2006, 06:55:24 PM
NC Wesleyan wins in OT 78-72 at home over Ferrum.
Shenandoah wings 75-72 over MC. Ouch, 0 for the weekend for the Monarchs and the Pride, who were 85-67 losers in Freeman to the Capts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 29, 2006, 07:22:19 PM
Random thoughts on the CNU (14-5, 5-1) win over Greensboro (7-10, 3-3) –

Inflated defensive statistics?  I think not.

Are these Captains the same team that had such a hard time coming out of the gates in games early in the season?  I guess they worked that out in the non-conference schedule.  This game was as good as won at the 6 minute mark in the first half when CNU was up by 26.  Greensboro didn't get their 10th point until about the 6:30 mark.

Free throws.

I had hoped that Romeo would get his 1000th point in the Freeman Center, but after the weekend he just had it looks like he'll get it in Winchester this week.  Maybe he'll come up one point short against Shenandoah (in a winning cause), and then get it on his first attempt on 2/7 against NCWesleyan.  But don't wait, Jeremy.  Pour it on in Winchester!

Romeo had what was probably his best game this year.  8 of 11 from the floor, 6 of 7 from long, 4 assists, 1 block, 2 steals.  Great game!  I think he was determined to not let Greensboro's D2 hotshot come into his house and show him up. 

Blasingame has to stay out of foul trouble.  Although Matt Coleman gave us some good minutes today, we need Mark in the game.  With the arbitrary nature of the officiating he has to be a little more careful than he was today.

Barton solid, as usual.  I liked the 6 of 6 from the charity stripe.  Without his free throws we're 50% as a team today.

Korey Lewis played a great game also.  18 and 8 with 3 assists and a block.

Donta Selden had an off night statistically, but I'm guessing that he's not too upset about it.  He spent a lot of time dogging Berg, and did a lot of things that didn't show up on the stat sheet. 

Riley and Claxton both contributed to the 54-40 rebounding edge the Captains had by pulling down 8 and 7 boards in 14 and 13 minutes respectively.  Good game guys.

Overall, just a great TEAM effort from the Captains.

Captains win the first half of the conference schedule (with the head-to-head tie-breaker against Averett), but there's still a long way to go before the tournament.  But it certainly looks good for getting at least a home game in the quarterfinals, if not the bye.  And with the tournament in Newport News I really like how the season is developing.

Go Captains, beat Wesleyan!!!! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2006, 09:28:19 PM
wow...tough weekend for the monarchs - i never thought 2-4 in the first half of the conference schedule was possible...not in a million years - i just can't put my finger on what is wrong with this team...they lost just 2 players from a VERY good team last year - granted, porter was a beast and booth underrated, but to go from a 20 win team to one that will be LUCKY to win 7 or 8 games?? i just never expected that...they've CLEARLY got some things to figure out, and '85, i'm not as hopeful as you come tourney time - honestly, it seems like the monarchs are playing WORSE right now than they did earlier in the season - i haven't given up hope, but it's getting close

captj - count your team lucky that they got the flagrant call - there was what sounds like a similar play in the mc/ncwc game...grant (i think) was going in for a breakaway layup and a bishop player just ran right under him...he never even put his arms out to ATTEMPT to stop the shot, nothing but body on body (and he didn't try to cushion the landing, either)...the officials didn't call a flagrant or intentional - to me, that play was the very DEFINITION of an intentional, flagrant foul - i wasn't in the gym to see the play on saturday, but i can assure you that eugene grant didn't take a "cheap shot" - it may have been a hard foul, it may have even been intentional, and there are monarch players that are probably capable of a "cheap shot", but eugene grant is a class act
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on January 29, 2006, 10:44:30 PM
To drive from CNU to Shenandoah (OR vice versa) and play a game less than 24 hours later is tough.  It may be worth tracking the results of teams on day two of that trip, since they are so far apart.  So far the record is 0-2 (1-3 if you include the women, as the Methodist women won by a point).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 09:26:53 AM
A great 2-game weekend for CNU's Jeremy Romeo -

14 of 22 from the floor (64%)
9 of 12 from long (75%)
3 of 4 from charity stripe (75%)
18 and 22 points for a total of 40 in two important CNU wins
Often guarded the opposing team's best player.

His effort was just so cooly effective that when he took shots they were important points in the game's development.  Just a GREAT weekend.

Maybe a little consideration for D3Hoops.com Team of the Week?

The stats aren't as impressive as the team effort, but I've seen less impressive stats make the team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 10:16:58 AM
Quote from: narch on January 29, 2006, 09:28:19 PM
captj - count your team lucky that they got the flagrant call

What a sorry state of affairs when we should feel "lucky" when a zebra gets an obvious call correct!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: AUCougars on January 29, 2006, 10:44:30 PM
To drive from CNU to Shenandoah (OR vice versa) and play a game less than 24 hours later is tough.  It may be worth tracking the results of teams on day two of that trip, since they are so far apart.  So far the record is 0-2 (1-3 if you include the women, as the Methodist women won by a point).

AUC -

I'm assuming you are commenting on GC's weekend since your guys haven't made that journey yet this season.  You're right; it is a brutal weekend.  But what is the alternative?  Making two trips?  The question got me thinking again on the entire schedule issue so I compiled a table of mileages from each school to the other schools. 

              AU           FC         CNU       SHEN       GC           METH       NCW
   miles   dvll, va   frrm, va   nn, va   wnch, va   gbro, nc   favll, nc   rkmt, nc
AU            X             60         232         263         44           135          140
FC           60             X          257         213         74           169          210
CNU       232           257          X           223       274           228          144
SHEN     263           213         223           X        277           360          276
GC           44             74         274        277         X               96          132
METH     135           169         228         360        96              X             95
NCW       140           210        144          276      132             95             X
TOTALS   874           983      1358        1612       897         1083          997

Obviously, Shenandoah and CNU need to do something since they don't have a single opponent less than 144 miles away.  All of the other schools have at least one opponent less than 100 miles away.  I guess that is why Shenandoah and CNU are the only schools to have TWO back-to-back, Saturday/Sunday away trips.  Additionally, both Shenandoah and CNU HOST two back-to-back weekend series.  We all know that back-to-back games are tough, so I believe that those two schools, with FOUR back-to-back weekends in the conference schedule, have it especially tough.

Weekend Road Trips -                 
         Averett               
Sat.    from   AU    to      CNU   232         
Sun.   from   CNU   to   SHEN   223         
                                              455         
         Ferrum               
Sat.   from   FC    to    SHEN    213         
Sun.   from   SHEN   to   CNU   223         
                                              436         
         CNU               
Sat.   from   CNU     to     FC    257         
Sun.   from   FC     to     AU       60         
                                             317         
                     (and)               
Sat.   from     CNU     to     GC   274         
Sun.   from     GC     to    METH   96         
                                               370         
         SHEN               
Sat.   from   SHEN    to    AU    213         
Sun.   from   AU     to     FC        60         
                                              273         
                      (and)               
Sat.   from   SHEN   to   METH   360         
Sun.   from   METH    to    GC      96         
                                               456         
         GC               
Sat.   from    GC    to    SHEN    277         
Sun.   from    SHEN   to    CNU   223         
                                                500         
         METH               
Sat.   from    METH    to   CNU    228         
Sun.   from   CNU    to    SHEN   223         
                                                451         
         NCW               
Sat.   from    NCW    to    FC       210         
Sun.   from   FC     to     AU          60         
                                                270

Comments, anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 11:29:47 AM
Quote from: AUCougars on January 29, 2006, 10:44:30 PM
To drive from CNU to Shenandoah (OR vice versa) and play a game less than 24 hours later is tough.  It may be worth tracking the results of teams on day two of that trip, since they are so far apart.  So far the record is 0-2 (1-3 if you include the women, as the Methodist women won by a point).

Don't just track the Winchester / Newport News road trip.  Four teams have taken back-to-back weekend road trips this season.

On the Sunday games –

CNU (1-0) – Win at Averett after a win at Ferrum
GC (0-1) – Loss at CNU after a win at Shenandoah
Meth (0-1) – Loss at Shenandoah after a loss at CNU
Shen (0-1) – Loss at Ferrum after a loss at Averett

Total (1-3)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 01:13:31 PM
Arent you supposed to be out selling what ever it is you sell?!?! You have waaaaaaay too much time on your hands young man!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 01:24:00 PM
You worry about Goose... I'll worry about CaptJ!  I'm doing just fine.  :D

Actually, I put the tables together last night after I read AUC's comment.  It seems like a pretty good topic for discussion.

Gotta get something going on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 01:46:23 PM
The housing market is down again, I see.

Captj...on your road trip mileage info...shouldn't you include the mileage for the return trip home?

I've looked at the info, and tried to draw some conclusions. There are too many variables. You would have to take your info, plus the stuff that Narch did earlier and figure it all out. How good is the team that is travelling, how far do they travel,  who are the opponents and how good are they and even -  how good are they at home, etc.

I prefer to sit in my nosebleed seat and watch the game and drink a pepsi. Captj taught me a valuable lesson....leave with 4 minutes before the half and be the first one in line for the President's room...then you'll be able to get the food. By the time I climb down from my seat and head over there, some of the food is gone. Also, Captj - it's h'ors d'euvres (did I spell that right?)...not shrimp and steak night at the Golden Coral - small portions, man. your plate was overflowing!!  ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 30, 2006, 02:01:43 PM
The CNU/ SU trip is very tough and it takes a really good team to sweep the trip. All back to back games are tough in college basketball.  The only good thing about these trips is that it should help the coaches and players get ready for the conference tournament.  I believe every team in the conference with the exception of NCW get to host back to back games.  I will love to see how the different coaches in the league prepare for these contest.

Let's go Monarchs, don't go down without a fight
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 02:08:55 PM
Captj must be a bigger donor than you!! Thats why his plate was overflowing!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 02:14:05 PM
Plus, he's prettier than me!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 02:22:37 PM
Well thats true!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 02:24:30 PM
speaking of looks - who is that girl that brings you Pepsi to the scorers table every game? Tell her I like regular Pepsi and a bag of plain m&m's...I'm in section C..last row..near Lou, the camera guru!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2006, 02:48:31 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 02:24:30 PM
speaking of looks - who is that girl that brings you Pepsi to the scorers table every game? Tell her I like regular Pepsi and a bag of plain m&m's...I'm in section C..last row..near Lou, the camera guru!

'85 - that's at least the 2nd reference you've made to this young lady...i think someone's got a crush :)...someone post a pic so i can determine if she's all that...

captj - thanks for the chart...you knew i'd love that - it's interesting data...you have to wonder if the travel (at least 600 round trip miles more than any other conference team in conference games) has anything to do with the high differential between home and road winning % for su

i'll have my first half all-conf selections up by wednesday...pretty busy right now, but i'm dedicated :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 02:52:07 PM
Narch - 2 different ladies..I think...I dunno...I'm old and I sit in the last row. For both of those reasons I have a crush on a lot of 'em!! Captj came to visit me yesterday...we had to call EMS for oxygen!

I think you could be right about the differential for SU....never thought about it before. It's gotta be tough for them to make road trips. And also tough for the teams that have to come from NC and do the CNU/SU weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 03:20:05 PM
Are you talking about the young lady who came and gave me a water yesterday at the game, the one who's arm is in a sling from her torn labrum surgery?? If thats who you are talking about, she's a student-intern in the Athletic Communications Department! And dont hate!!

PS If your looking for oxygen, one row in front of Captj and one section to your left sits an EMT for the NNFD. Im sure Tony, who is always talking so much smack to the refs, will be able to assist your oxygen needs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:31:08 PM
I don't need the oxygen..it was Captj .....too much President's room food and not enuff climbing the stairs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:38:16 PM
Goose,

you making the road trip tomorrow?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:31:08 PM
I don't need the oxygen..it was Captj .....too much President's room food and not enuff climbing the stairs!

Hey!  I represent that remark!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 01:46:23 PM
Captj...on your road trip mileage info...shouldn't you include the mileage for the return trip home?

I didn't include the return trip because by then the games are over and therefore that leg of the journey doesn't influence their play.  When you're well over 6' as most basketball players are, it's not exactly "recovery time" on that bus, but it won't influence how you play in your next game (unless you play again on Monday or Tuesday... maybe).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 03:45:51 PM
85-
   I will officially be in Shingleton for the game that is on Wednesday. I wouldnt miss it for the world!! I love Funchester!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:49:58 PM
Captj - maybe the return trip "fun" is in the back of the player's minds???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:52:08 PM
Goose - I knew it was Wednesday...today seemed so long I thought it was Tuesday already. That must be a rough one day trip...up and back. But then again, you're younger than me! Does Tommasino take you to dinner up there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 03:54:06 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 01:46:23 PM
I've looked at the info, and tried to draw some conclusions. There are too many variables. You would have to take your info, plus the stuff that Narch did earlier and figure it all out. How good is the team that is travelling, how far do they travel,  who are the opponents and how good are they and even -  how good are they at home, etc.

We don't need to draw conclusions.  It was only offered for discussion and for entertainment value.  Please don't require a conclusion or narch will come up with another formula, and we don't want to go there again. ;D

But since narch probably can't resist, I call dibs on naming it this time.  Lets call it the RWDDI (Road Warrior Double Down Index).  Phonetically speaking it's the ROWDY!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 03:56:18 PM
I'm thinking about a Styx tune right now, Captj...

"Too much time on my hands"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2006, 04:02:11 PM
captj - that's funny...here is 1/2 season pvr calculations for top 15 players in the usasac

PLAYER- TEAM - PVR
HALL - NCWC - 47.3
BERG - GC - 39
ARRINGTON - NCWC    - 38.7
LAWRENCE - SU - 37.76
THOMAS - MC - 36.7
                     
BLASSINGAME - CNU - 34.4
DELEON - AU - 31.6
RAY - FC - 31.55
BARTON - CNU - 29.85
NEWMAN - GC - 29.3
                     
WILLIAMS - AU - 28.3
GRANT - MC - 27.7
MCDUFFIE - GC - 27.55
ROMEO - CNU - 26.4
LEWIS - CNU - 25.55

as a reminder - PVR is calculated as such

(ppg+rpg+spg)*1.5 + (apg+bpg)*2 - (topg)*1.5 = PVR

this IS NOT necessarily my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team...just the statistical evaluation of each player and his contribution to his team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 30, 2006, 04:09:15 PM
Interesting how the top CNU guys are Freshman! It could be a long 4 years for conf opps.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 04:22:57 PM
As much as I like seeing 4 CNU players in the top 15, there is something inherently wrong with this formula if it indicates that Donta Selden is our FIFTH best player!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 04:54:25 PM
Check your spreadsheet, narch.  I'm entering total numbers and dividing by the number of games (no per-game stats) and I'm getting slightly different values.

Example -

Both Romeo and Lewis should have 26.33 points instead of 26.4 and 25.55.  I don't think that you should be using rounded off per-game stats.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 06:35:33 PM
When you look at the stats and their application into narch's PVR formula it is pretty clear why Donta Selden doesn't have a higher score.  It's the assist/turnover ratio, and it goes back to what I've been saying all year... he's just not a point guard.  Every once in a while he throws one into the stands.  But all year he's been the one to provide relief for Davon, while at the same time trying to keep some semblance of harmony with the starting team when Davon is in the game.  It's a very selfless thing for Donta to do, and I'm sure that if he got the usual relief like most other wings and didn't have to play out of position, he'd have far fewer turnovers and thus a higher PVR.  And, he could emphasize scoring more.  Stats don't tell everything.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on January 30, 2006, 06:51:50 PM
Two things:

Yes Tommasino picks up the tab for lunch and dinner, thank you very much!!

And secondly, and I hate to say this, but can you honestly include Berg in the numbers?? Now I know narch is big on conference only stuff and so am I, but I still think a player needs to be on the team for the full year to get an all-conference nomination. I know this may stir up some debate and thats good. I would like to see  what everyone else thinks. I dont want to take anything away from the Berg kid, I thought he was decent Sunday, it definitely wasnt a great game, even tho he scored 20. Just curious to everyone's thoughts. Dont shoot me or anything!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 30, 2006, 11:29:12 PM
I don't have a clue about the details of young Mr. Berg transferring to GC, but there are certainly a lot of questions.  How can a guy in his very last semester of eligibility just leave school?  If GC has similar transfer requirements as CNU, he will have to attend a LOT of courses at GC to get his degree there.  So what is he going to do next fall?  Transfer BACK to Eckerd to get his degree?  It seems like if he kept up with his studies during the 3.5 years he was there, he would have close to what he needs to do so.  I hope that the GC posters on this board will let us know next fall if he's enrolled at GC.

But to Goose's question; IMHO he should be eligible.  He has played in all of GC's conference games.  If they don't make him eligible that would be like not making freshmen eligible.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 31, 2006, 07:33:07 AM
The head coach at GC was at Eckard last year and from what I hear he and Berg had a good relationship.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2006, 08:39:10 AM
captj - no question rounding makes a slight difference, but as long as it is done consistently, it shouldn't really affect the numbers

goose13 - i totally disagree re: berg, although i'm not sure the coaches/sid's will agree with me - to me, all non-conference stats should be thrown out the window when compiling an all-conference team...it is an all-conference team, after all

on berg...i'd be interested in finding out how old he is...at one time gc had a different (much lower) tuition rate if you're over a certain age (i think it's 23) - i think that policy is still in place, but i'll have to do some research...in the past, some athletes have "red-shirted" by sitting out a semester or 2 and then returned after they reached the magical age - if you're at that age, even if it takes a little longer to get your degree, you might save money - i'm not saying this is the case with berg, and there is nothing inherently "illegal" with this scenario if it is the case

FIXED THE STAT LINE

here is the entire stat line i'm using for each player


PLAYERTEAMPPGRPGSPGAPGBPGTOPGPVR
HALLNCWC24.54.32.240.35.247.3
BERG GC18.85.2130345
ARRINGTONNCWC22.83.811.30.23.839
LAWRENCESU12.812.810.50.833.237.76
THOMASMC13.381.22.70.52.336.7
BLASSINGAMECNU99.80.50.73.31.734.4
DELEONAU10.28.511.71.22.531.6
RAYFC10.271.71.40.80.831.55
BARTONCNU13.52.51.84.203.529.85
NEWMANGC14.82.40.51.80.71.529.3
WILLIAMSAU12.52.80.54.20.22.828.3
GRANTMC12.540.73.20327.7
MCDUFFIEGC11.53.31.53.30.5327.55
ROMEOCNU14.81.70.710.21.226.4
LEWISCNU10.75.80.31.50.72.725.55
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2006, 08:43:10 AM
somehow that stat line got a bit messed up...i'll fix it
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on January 31, 2006, 09:01:26 AM
Gents, I am going to use one of my "authorized" (at least I think it is) chits to comment on Narch's PVR stats.  Note Narch did say, "this IS NOT necessarily my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team."   Though PVR is interesting it's too bad you cannot include heart, toughness, follower, leader, and attitude (which really is the sum of the aforementioned).  Certainly, from what I've observed (fortunate to have seen all the games thus far) a few of the Captains would REALLY incur some bonus points. 

Captj already mentioned Donta.....ditto on that one...6 points or 30 points, he is enthusiastic and always plays hard....his leadership has been special.  Athletically I've always thought the Captains had "potential."   But suspected there success would depend on how they grew as a team.  A couple of defining moments....and these young men REALLY won my admiration....not so much as it applies to basketball, but life in general (I know, a little to deep).  At Ferrum -- was not Davon's day and he sat for a good portion of the second half.  But the kid didn't pout...exactly the opposite...he was cheering on his teammates and still had that big broad smile of his after the game.  He knew he would live to fight another day and that day came pretty quick.   At Averett – it was not Jeremy or Korey's day, they sat a good portion of the second half....did they pout?....nope, they were cheering their teammates on....you have to respect and cheer for young men who display such outstanding attitudes and impeccable character...it will serve them well in life after basketball.  Davon at Averett, well 19 points on his 19th birthday....he shot lights out and made some HUGE baskets!    Jeremy and Korey...they really put it together on the court this weekend.  Couldn't have been happier for our senior sharp shooter! 

Methodist – talented.  They scare me.  I could be wrong....but could sense they were having some chemistry problems.      Real surprised to see Dragon sit the entire second half....Narch the team has potential, but the clock is REALLY ticking. 

Also, thought Greensboro was talented—we really pinned their ears back the first half, but they played well the second half and never quit....both Methodist and Greensboro will be tough on the road.  Thanks for the dime gents....hope to see you Captains fans around the neighborhood. 

Narch, I do like your numbers though....thanks for the work. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on January 31, 2006, 11:50:13 AM
Narch
A score that may interest you from previous post Maryville (TN) beat division II Carson Newman (South Atlantic Conference- Lenoir Rhyne, Catawba, etc.). 

I love the way you guys crunch numbers. Can you guys come up with a midseason player of the year, coach of the year, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd team all-conference? I'm talking mid-year awards and lets see how many of these guys finish strong.

Steve Berg is an interesting transfer.  I didn't know that a student could play at two different schools during the same academic year.  Is this a D3 rule? It's a little odd to me that an athlete who was the second leading scorer, playing 20 min. per game for a 7-1 team. In addition attended the school for 3 1/2 years will up and leave a scholarship school to go play for a d3 school. I've heard of some great player/coach relationships but wow. I know a coaches job is to win basketball games, but where do we draw the line.  In division II there is alot talk about doing away or making it harder for schools to take transfers with one year of eligibility (renting players).   If the purpose of D3 is supposed to be about building the all-around student, how could a college justify taking a one semester transfer? I would love to see if that kid graduates after this semester. If he doesn't what happens to him then?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on January 31, 2006, 01:38:32 PM
96,

good points. I've thought about a lot of your points. I guess we'll never really know until Berg himself speaks up. The way things usually work, he probably transferred for reasons we haven't mentioned. Maybe something personal? who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2006, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: ballgame on January 31, 2006, 09:01:26 AMMethodist – talented.  They scare me.  I could be wrong....but could sense they were having some chemistry problems.      Real surprised to see Dragon sit the entire second half....Narch the team has potential, but the clock is REALLY ticking. 

i have NO INSIDE INFORMATION (in fact, getting inside information right now is difficult :)) telling me that there are chemistry issues, but i have a suspicion that you are correct...and the clock has been ticking for some time...it's about to stop ticking altogether, honestly, if they don't get it together

Quote from: ballgame on January 31, 2006, 09:01:26 AMNarch, I do like your numbers though....thanks for the work.

thanks...it's really not that much work or that difficult - i just use the usasac website and an excel spreadsheet...numbers DO have their limitations, though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 31, 2006, 03:23:46 PM
Interesting comments all around regarding Berg.  One that I don't necessarily agree with is that a coach's job is to win basketball games.  Sure, he better win, but his priority should be elsewhere.  If a coach brings in a hired gun with no intention of getting a degree at that college, that's tantamount to "winning at all costs" in my opinion.  That's why I asked for the GC fans on this site to keep us updated on Berg's progress toward a Greensboro College degree. 

Speaking of GC fans, where's Gullet?  He has a @gborocollege.edu e-mail address so he's probably pretty knowledgeable about the situation.  Since he went 2-4 on his weekend picks we haven't heard from him.  But you gotta give him props for his temerity.  After all, he picked both NCW and CNU to lose twice at home, AND for GC to win two on the road through Winchester and Newport News.  Talk about betting with your heart!  I need to get this guy to a poker table.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 31, 2006, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on January 31, 2006, 11:50:13 AM
Steve Berg is an interesting transfer.  I didn't know that a student could play at two different schools during the same academic year.  Is this a D3 rule?

The NCAA makes you sit out when you transfer up (some say down) from D3 to D2 or D1 or from D2 to D1, or even make a lateral move at D1 (not sure about D2 lateral move?).  However, transfer down to D3 and you can play right away.  Now, some D3 conferences have rules where you cannot transfer mid-semester from one school to another within that conference.  Not sure if the USA South has that rule.  However, with Berg not being a in-conference transfer, the point is moot.  I don't think there is anything wrong with Berg playing 3.5 in Florida and transferring for his final semester.  I do have some issues with Freshman and Sophomore tranfers because it usually messes up their academic plan (if they have one?).  However, with a 4th year player who played successfully for 3.5 years, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him go wherever he wants for his final semester of play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 31, 2006, 04:43:29 PM
Quote from: leroy on January 31, 2006, 04:01:23 PM
I do have some issues with Freshman and Sophomore tranfers because it usually messes up their academic plan (if they have one?). 

What could mess up an academic plan more than transferring after 3.5 years?  The school giving out the diploma is only going to do so if the student has accumulated the majority of his/her credits at that school.  Maybe Berg didn't accumulate many credits at Eckerd and therefore wasn't close to graduation anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on January 31, 2006, 09:39:29 PM
PREDICTIONS

Wednesday (2/1)
Greensboro at Methodist – MC in a nail biter
Ferrum at Averett – AU by 20
CNU at Shenandoah – CNU by at least 10
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 01, 2006, 09:39:01 AM
Quote from: captj on January 31, 2006, 04:43:29 PM
What could mess up an academic plan more than transferring after 3.5 years?  The school giving out the diploma is only going to do so if the student has accumulated the majority of his/her credits at that school.  Maybe Berg didn't accumulate many credits at Eckerd and therefore wasn't close to graduation anyway.

What I meant is that if someone has been in school for 3.5 years he has proven he can handle college work and by that point he can make an educated decidion on what he wants to do.  By his senior year he knows (or should know) how many credits he needs to finish and what impact a transfer has on his plan. 

Who knows- maybe he only needs 1 more class, like Matt Leinart this year, and transferred to go out in style.  Or maybe he just needed to do student teaching or an internship left?

Anyway, when someone transfers as a soph they proably haven't considered graduation yet and see the classes they take as just endless credits like in high school.  Then they transfer and find out they wasted money and time by taking classes that don't fit into their new academic plan at the new school.

You might be right, maybe the 3.5 year transfer is an acedmic issue with him.  But I said I'd give him the benefit of the doubt because he proved his ability to handle the work for 3.5 years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 12:38:55 PM
leroy - you can spin it all you want, but a student transferring after 3.5 years at ANY institution is HIGHLY unusual, and i can understand why some would question it

Quote from: leroy on February 01, 2006, 09:39:01 AMWho knows- maybe he only needs 1 more class, like Matt Leinart this year, and transferred to go out in style.  Or maybe he just needed to do student teaching or an internship left?

this is DIRECTLY from the gc academic catalogue

"Transfer students must complete a minimum of 31 hours at Greensboro College to graduate from Greensboro College."

doesn't seem likely that he has just one class or an internship or student teaching, since he'll need 31 sh to graduate from gc...tough to do in one semester, probably impossible
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
to move on from berg...here are my picks for tonight

cnu, averett and greensboro will be victorious

i just don't have faith in my monarchs right now, but maybe they'll make me look foolish for picking against them

it should be a good sized crowd..."take a kid to the game" and spirit night (hope the students don't get TOO spirited if there are kids around)...if the monarch maniachs (or riddle rowdies...i can't decide which moniker i like best for the non-existent group of student fans at mc) were ever going to come out, tonight would be the night

unfortunately for me, tonight is "take care of the kids" night for me...we'll be in attendance for the first half of the women's game before my fatherly duties kick in and i have to feed, bath and bed the rugrats :)

despite what i THINK will happen, i still WANT the monarchs to win

GO MONARCHS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 01, 2006, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: narch on February 01, 2006, 12:38:55 PM
"Transfer students must complete a minimum of 31 hours at Greensboro College to graduate from Greensboro College."

doesn't seem likely that he has just one class or an internship or student teaching, since he'll need 31 sh to graduate from gc...tough to do in one semester, probably impossible

Wow, that's pretty wierd then.  Maybe he worked it all out so that it works out for him....or maybe he transfers back after this semester and graduates from Eckerd?  Either way, he's a pretty decent scorer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 01, 2006, 01:13:57 PM
Ok guys, to end the stuff on Berg here is the way it goes. It is the fact of the matter that elected to finish out his carrer at GC (this was his chioce). Second of all he is a great student and will graduate  from here. There is nothing that GC did not do by the books. We follow all of the guidelines that are set and there is no reason to question that.

On a earlier post about Breg shouldnt be considered for a All-Conference team in my opinion is wrong. Berg has played in all of the Prides Conference game (thanks for saying that Narch).

But in the end all was done leagal and what he wanted to do was finish his carrer here and that is what he is going to do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 01, 2006, 12:58:31 PM....or maybe he transfers back after this semester and graduates from Eckerd?

if this happens, it certainly would support captj's "winning at all cost" point

Quote from: leroy on January 31, 2006, 04:01:23 PMNow, some D3 conferences have rules where you cannot transfer mid-semester from one school to another within that conference.  Not sure if the USA South has that rule.

i meant to address this earlier...the usasac does require a student transferring directly from one member school to another to sit for one year

Quote from: GCGullett on February 01, 2006, 01:13:57 PMWe follow all of the guidelines that are set and there is no reason to question that.

i have my doubts about the big 7'0" wake forest transfer...i've heard he was on a pretty substantial academic scholarship which was based on his high school grades, even though he had completed 2+ years at wfu with solid, but not spectacular grades which WOULDN'T qualify him for the transfer scholarship at gc...it's all water under the bridge because he's no longer at gc and when he was, he wasn't that good :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 01, 2006, 01:23:48 PM
Narch

You are  fishing up the wrong tree there. That 7"0' graduated with honors hand a 4.0 gpa. He seemed to iomprove while even though he battled injury. You shouldnt talk bout things that you dont know the full story.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 01, 2006, 01:56:02 PM
Gullett - I've re-read some (not all) of the posts concerning Berg. I think you might be getting a little defensive. I don't think anyone was questioning the legality as much as they were wondering "why" would a student do that? Then that prompted other posts and someone asked what the rules were concerning transfers in the conference. I was reading the posts from a standpoint of trying to understand "why". I could really care less about if it was "leagal".

Back to the "why" - Because you point out that he will graduate from GC, seems to imply that he has more than 31 hours left before he graduates. I was assuming just the opposite. I assumed he had all the credits to graduate from E and still had a semester of eligiblility left and for whatever personal reasons he chose to attend GC to finish out his playing career or possible finish one or 2 classes to transfer back to E.

I'm still making assumptions that his reasons were personal and possibly non-basketball related. Why else would someone transfer onto a sub .500 D3 team?

It's just interesting stuff to ponder.

Anyway, I saw him play. He was the only one in that game that impressed me. Nice shot, a little weak on defense. But overall a solid player. You've seen him in more than 1 game and can better tell than me. I can only comment on the one game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 01, 2006, 03:26:24 PM
Any more predictions on the games this evening?  Gullett?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 01, 2006, 04:14:59 PM
MC
AU
CNU

all close games!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on February 01, 2006, 04:45:28 PM
MC over GC in a close game
CNU over SU in a blowout
AC over FC in a blowout

It's time for the Monarchs to win a couple, CNU appears to be too good for SU, and wow AC is for real.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 01, 2006, 01:23:48 PM
Narch

You are  fishing up the wrong tree there. That 7"0' graduated with honors hand a 4.0 gpa. He seemed to iomprove while even though he battled injury. You shouldnt talk bout things that you dont know the full story.

i know what i know, but the details aren't for this board...he may have graduated from gc with a 4.0, but that wasn't his gpa at wfu...and he wasn't that good and he had the most lethal (and cheap) elbows in the conference...art hatch dominated him, despite giving up about 60 lbs and a couple of inches
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
monarchs 29, gc 28 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 08:57:09 PM
somebody tell the pride announcer that it's mcevoy (mac-eh-voy), not mcvoy...sounds like i'm missing a tight game - monarchs up 53-49
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 09:02:22 PM
Capts up 59-52 with 1045 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 09:04:34 PM
3:30 left - monarchs up 3, gc with the ball - monarchs were up by 14 earlier in the half - shuford just missed a dunk on a breakaway...and now the gc broadcast fades into nothingness....AHHHHH!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 09:21:04 PM
76-67 CNU 249 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 09:30:59 PM
79-70 CNU with the ball and the lead with 42 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2006, 09:45:34 PM
monarchs win 67-65...2-0 against the pride this season - nice win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 01, 2006, 10:23:23 PM
Capts win and so does Averett.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on February 02, 2006, 10:36:41 AM
Maybe Berg wants to play another sport at GC.  huh?  A little football?  Maybe squash? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 02, 2006, 10:52:27 AM
Predictions –

Methodist at Ferrum – Monarchs win because they have to
Shenandoah at NC Wesleyan – Bishops too tough at home for the Hornets
Averett at Greensboro – full of himself for being the talk of the conference for the last week, Berg goes off on the Cougars in a Pride win that helps the Captains


Conference Standings after the Super Bowl –

CNU (6-1, 15-5)
Averett (6-2, 15-6)
NC Wesleyan (5-2, 7-12)
Greensboro (4-4, 8-11)
Methodist (4-4, 6-14)
Shenandoah (1-7, 9-10)
Ferrum (1-7, 5-16)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2006, 02:10:44 PM
game story and box (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=50024) from the gc/mc game

my predictions
monarchs over ferrum...a 2 game win streak would be nice...just hope it isn't followed by another 4 game losing streak :)
bishops over hornets
cougars over pride

if the monarchs can steal a game at ncwc and/or averett and at least split the cnu/su weekend, they COULD wind up as the #3 seed with some help from others against the bishops...wow, have i really sunk that low?? hoping for a #3 seed :o

in other usasac sports news, the monarchs were picked as the pre-season favorite in all spring sports except baseball and women's lax - if you haven't discovered the usasac baseball board on this site, be sure to drop by...it's mostly me posting to myself at this point :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 02, 2006, 07:46:01 PM
Quote from: narch on February 02, 2006, 02:10:44 PM
[if the monarchs can steal a game at ncwc and/or averett and at least split the cnu/su weekend, they COULD wind up as the #3 seed with some help from others against the bishops...wow, have i really sunk that low?? hoping for a #3 seed :o

In the conference race this season, the #3 seed is a pretty good place to be.  Not as good as #1, but just as good as #2.  The #3 seed hosts the first round and assuming they beat the #6, they'll play the #2 in the semis in Newport News.  That's better than playing the #1 seed in the semis, as the #4/#5 seed wil have to do.  I really think the Captains have a really good chance this year since it's unlikely that they'll do worse than #3, and home court advantage should be HUGE.  The students will turn out in force for those games. you can count on that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 03, 2006, 03:47:59 PM
Maybe Narch thinks this should this be a place where we all take cheap shots at other USA South schools. Rumors swirl about an entity near a milirary base "buying kids." Is it true? What about documented "Sharpie Incidents" from the gridiron?

I'm just a student. I don't work in an admissions office, which you'd think would cause one to be more professional and stay out of the sludge or sniping at other school's or their kids.

How about we talk hoops?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 03, 2006, 04:43:54 PM
Gullett

Let's see....I've been called immature..Narch is now unprofessional...captj was something...can't remember. I've sent a personal message to you as an Olive Branch and received no reply, not even to tell me to go jump in a lake. I think I've had enough. It seems like half your posts are to blast other people for having opinions, or even some facts, that you don't like to see posted so you call us names, but you try to mask it by using politically correct words. You can't take anything with any sense of humor.

I often read things on this board I don't like. 99% of the time I ignore it. That's life. I'm convinced that 99% of the time people are not trying to intentionally upset another person.

If you want to talk hoops...go ahead....don't blast other people and then end the post with.."How about we talk hoops?". what stopped you? Here's my opinion - take it or leave it - MAN UP! Talk hoops. You could have easily ignored Narch's post and said something about hoops. Why did you choose the low road and attempt to berate another long time poster to this forum. Narch contributes a lot to this forum and not everything he says I agree with. Also - when you disagree with someone, at least be man enough to address them directly and not in the third person.

I hope Pat sends you a message and asks "do you think this is really necessary?".

To everyone else - I apologize for the rant.....it must have been the other 1% that hit a wrong nerve!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 03, 2006, 04:49:52 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 03, 2006, 03:47:59 PM
Rumors swirl about an entity near a milirary base "buying kids." Is it true? What about documented "Sharpie Incidents" from the gridiron?

......... and stay out of the sludge or sniping at other school's or their kids.



Narch - you're not allowed to sludge or snipe...only Gullet can throw that stuff out there!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 03, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 10, 2006, 04:48:31 PM
We will just have to see wont we captj.

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
Quote

Gullett didn't call me a name.  He told me to "be quiet" and that "We will just have to see wont we captj".  He also perdicted what he'd be doing in his dorm after the game.

At the time (Jan. 10), I read that post with no clue what he was talking about, and I just went back and re-read the posts that preceded it, and I STILL don't know what he was talking about.  Why was he telling me to be quiet, and what are we waiting to see?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 03, 2006, 05:26:45 PM
Wait a minute, I get it.  He misspelled "perdiction" on purpose.  An effort at humor!  Is that it?  If so; very good, young Mr. Gullett!

But I still don't know what we are waiting to see.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 03, 2006, 08:52:21 PM
I think he's waiting for Mr. Berg and co. to defeat the Captains. Or maybe he's still upset that a 4-12 (or whatever their record is) Methodist team beat GC twice.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 03, 2006, 09:11:07 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 03, 2006, 03:47:59 PMWhat about documented "Sharpie Incidents" from the gridiron?

you might want to use the term "alleged" rather than "documented" - it's funny, whenever someone hits a spot with a gc fan, they've got to bring up past incidents and allegations....and it's always the alleged "sharpie" incident...it's such a knee-jerk response that it's almost predictable - can't you guys come up with SOMETHING more original, or recent...that's ancient folk-lore

besides, i wasn't sniping or throwing sludge...i was responding to your assertation that gc was completely above board in everything they do re: the recruitment of transfers - there was much discussion of the wfu transfer a few years ago, just as there was much discussion of berg's transfer this year...i saw some similarities in the oddity and questions surrounding their respective transfers to gc, and felt that it was relevant to the conversation at hand to bring an old conversation back up - the subject seems VERY MUCH hoops related to me, as both are basketball players who play or played at gc - now the alleged "sharpie incident"...THAT has NOTHING to do with basketball, so i suggest you take your own advice and stick to talking hoops :)

'85, thanks for having my back, bro...but mr. gullett knows little to nothing about my profession or my professionality, and i've been called MUCH worse than unprofessional :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 03, 2006, 08:52:21 PM
I think he's waiting for Mr. Berg and co. to defeat the Captains. Or maybe he's still upset that a 4-12 (or whatever their record is) Methodist team beat GC twice.

They are a much better team then there record shows when I was there the other night at Methodist I saw once again just how tough of a team they really are. The thing is they dont know how to hold leads.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 12:07:59 AM
Quote from: captj on February 03, 2006, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 10, 2006, 04:48:31 PM
We will just have to see wont we captj.

Here's my perdictions: (be quiet captj)

CNU wins
Averett wins
Methodist wins and Gullett goes back to the dorm to do more bong hits!
Quote

That statement was by someone else and I do belive it was Narch but im not sure but I meant to send it in as a quote but it didnt go that way. I dont drink....lol

Gullett didn't call me a name.  He told me to "be quiet" and that "We will just have to see wont we captj".  He also perdicted what he'd be doing in his dorm after the game.

At the time (Jan. 10), I read that post with no clue what he was talking about, and I just went back and re-read the posts that preceded it, and I STILL don't know what he was talking about.  Why was he telling me to be quiet, and what are we waiting to see?


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 12:10:55 AM
That comment was originaly made by CNU85. But all of that is in the past and things are cool with that.
I will try to stay more on topic and try not to bash people.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 04, 2006, 08:47:56 AM
Learn to spell. Show some pride.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 04, 2006, 10:41:45 AM
Any more "perdictions" on the outcome of the weekend games?  Seems like a pretty easy weekend (prophetically speaking), which probably means UPSETS.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on February 04, 2006, 03:31:33 PM
Headed to Hanes!  Should be fun, it always is when au comes down.
Roll Pride!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 04:47:57 PM
Guys here is the score at the Madhouse on Mcgee (aka Haynes Gym) is 38-22 The Pride over Averett. I tell yall it is loud in here with both teams fans in here....lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 04, 2006, 05:45:05 PM
I afraid there wont be an upset down in Rocky Mount. Unless the Hornets come back from a 44-19 halftime deficit. I personally hope they do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 04, 2006, 05:47:15 PM
The Pride WIN BIG over Averett by a final score of 76-41. It was a well played game by the Pride and we came away with the W and now we roll with this momentum through the rest of the USA South season. Averett could not throw it into the ocean while standing on the decks of the USS North Carolina if they wanted to the shot 26% from the field but a great performance by our gards to lead us to victory. So it is a tough place to play here in Greensboro.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on February 04, 2006, 05:51:15 PM
Big win for the Pride.  AU fans have no class.  On a couple of ocasions they cheered a GC injury, pathetic.  I would be ashamed to go to school there.  There is no reason for that.  To all other fans on this board, when AU fans come your place give them hell.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 04, 2006, 05:52:05 PM
narch,

You should venture out of NC for a change and check out the tournament at a first class facility.  Bring the little ones so they can get acquainted with the school they'll be attending, IF they can get in. :-*

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 04, 2006, 06:42:16 PM
Congrats to the Pride for a big win at home over Averett. Su cut the lead to five with a minute to go after being down by 25 at halftime and fall 87-79 at NC Wesleyan
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2006, 09:48:53 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 04, 2006, 05:47:15 PMAverett could not throw it into the ocean while standing on the decks of the USS North Carolina if they wanted to...

the uss north carolina is docked at least 10 miles from the ocean...that would be a long throw for ANYONE :) - now if you count the brackish water of the cape fear river as the "ocean", your point is pretty valid - good win for the pride...really helps everyone out, but especially cnu

monarchs win by 10 at ferrum - game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/ferrumroad.htm) - box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0204.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 04, 2006, 10:13:46 PM
Quote from: captj on February 02, 2006, 10:52:27 AM
Predictions –

Methodist at Ferrum – Monarchs win because they have to
Shenandoah at NC Wesleyan – Bishops too tough at home for the Hornets
Averett at Greensboro – full of himself for being the talk of the conference for the last week, Berg goes off on the Cougars in a Pride win that helps the Captains


Conference Standings after the Super Bowl –

CNU (6-1, 15-5)
Averett (6-2, 15-6)
NC Wesleyan (5-2, 7-12)
Greensboro (4-4, 8-11)
Methodist (4-4, 6-14)
Shenandoah (1-7, 9-10)
Ferrum (1-7, 5-16)


Hey... I'm getting pretty good at perdicting who will win these games.  Anyone keeping score?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 04, 2006, 10:24:12 PM
You got lucky in my estimation!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on February 05, 2006, 01:41:11 AM
Would you rather be lucky or good?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 05, 2006, 09:18:43 AM
Good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 05, 2006, 10:57:42 AM
I am good, Goose.  In fact, I'm gooder than good.

Another "perdiction" - As much as it pains me to say it, Hollywood will be disappointed that there won't be a happy ending to the Bus script.  The Seahawks will win by 7.  The Steelers won't be able to run on them and I think that Big Ben Rberger will have an off day. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 05, 2006, 01:18:09 PM
Not gonna happen. Seattle has not seen a 3-4 defense like the Steelers and Dick Lebeau's D will shut Alexander down at the line of scrimmage and the "Stillers" will win by 10.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 05, 2006, 02:16:35 PM
I hope you're right, but I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 05, 2006, 10:57:36 PM
NC Wesleyan lost to Chowan this afternoon, 85-64 in Rocky Mount.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 06, 2006, 10:21:41 AM
Perdictions –

Methodist at Averett – Averett
Greensboro at Ferrum – Greensboro
NC Wesleyan at CNU – CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 06, 2006, 01:11:37 PM
QuotePerdictions –

Methodist at Averett – Averett
Greensboro at Ferrum – Greensboro
NC Wesleyan at CNU – CNU

Im gonna agree with you on two of the three. I think Methodist is gonna go into Danville and come away with a W.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 06, 2006, 01:16:16 PM
I agree with Goose on the predictions, I think that Methodist has been playing really well lately and they oviously have things going for them. The only thing that the Cougars are coming off of a big loss here at GC and they dont want to loose two in a row and at home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 06, 2006, 03:21:06 PM
I was torn on that game also, but think that ultimately the home court advantage is too much for the Monarchs to overcome.  And Gullett is right; Averett has to be desperate to not lose this game.  It should be a great game to watch; two teams that need to win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NewportPlayer3 on February 07, 2006, 12:22:14 AM
Is there anything wrong with romeo? I been watching and hes getting less and less palying time...and at SU he only played 13 minutes?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 07:44:22 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on February 07, 2006, 12:22:14 AM
Is there anything wrong with romeo? I been watching and hes getting less and less palying time...and at SU he only played 13 minutes?

No, there's nothing wrong with Romeo.  You must not have been watching very hard because in the two games before the SU game he scored 22 and 18.  I been watching and it seems to me that he's playing great.  In case you haven't noticed he's sixth in the conference in ppg.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 07, 2006, 08:06:01 AM
And in the SU game, if you notice his foul count, he picked up 3 very early in the first half and number 4 much early in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on February 07, 2006, 08:21:50 AM
Agree with Goose and Captj....Romeo has been playing "fantastic!"  He is in the upper echelon of the conference shooting stats....most notable -- 3 point FG %....he is 2nd at 42.5%.  The SU game was an anomaly....foul trouble....it happens and Jeremy is very aggressive on the defensive end.    Plus it's hard to weigh the impact of his positive attitude on the court and sidelines--from what I've noted it is substantial. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2006, 08:30:37 AM
my winners for tonight

cougars...the monarchs would like to exact a little revenge at the grant center and win their 3rd straight, but the cougars pride is injured...should be a great game though, and i wouldn't be shocked if the monarchs won (and i'm HOPING they do)

pride - ferrum plays hard, but so does gc

captains - as much as i WANT ncwc to win (the monarchs need cnu to lose as many as possible), and as much as i think they have the talent to win, i just don't think they will...hope i'm wrong on this one
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 07, 2006, 09:14:56 AM
Two to a 1,000 tonight (hopefully). For the women's Candace Bryant is seven points away and still has one more left. The other is Jeremy Romeo. He needs 10 to hit the 1,000 mark. Should be a two-fer tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on February 07, 2006, 12:22:14 AM
Is there anything wrong with romeo? I been watching and hes getting less and less palying time...and at SU he only played 13 minutes?

This is the first of a series of quotes from Player3 that I'm using to set up a theory about him.  I think that just about everyone will agree that this post was pure dribble.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on January 04, 2006, 04:55:13 PM
What did you guys think of the small paragrpah on the d3hoops page that talked about CNUs cake schedule? don't that have 18-19 home games?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:27:11 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on October 25, 2005, 01:32:36 PM
last year Romeo hit 2 three pointers out of 6.  dancer was 1-1. I think Dantas hit about 3. So CaptJ i dont know what your talking about last year midnight madness.

In this one he quotes non-existent statistics to argue my (correct) claim that Romeo had been huge in last year's Midnight Madness.

Is a pattern beginning to take shape here?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on October 26, 2005, 02:22:41 AM
from what mike told me PSA has a new young coach this year and have only 2 returning players from last years 7-whaeterv team. I though his problem was played behind All World Romeo  ;) .

Is it just me or does this seem like a tongue-in-cheek shot at Romeo?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on October 25, 2005, 01:38:02 PM
Also Captj,

Dancer is one of my best friends from last year.I gaurentee you would have an entirley different tune of he had stayed and played this year. He didnt get a chance last year and i can tell u he will take advantage of his opportunity at PSUA.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on October 20, 2005, 05:20:23 PM
think the captains will struggle on D. They have never been a great defensive team

I post this one to show that the guy knows NOTHING about Captains basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:37:37 AM
So here's the theory... that this guy is way too in love with his sweetheart Tiny Dancer, that he actually blames Jeremy Romeo for his departure, and that he's not really a CNU fan at all.  I think he's just a bitter buddy of a guy that washed out of the CNU program.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:42:22 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 07, 2006, 09:14:56 AM
Two to a 1,000 tonight (hopefully). For the women's Candace Bryant is seven points away and still has one more left. The other is Jeremy Romeo. He needs 10 to hit the 1,000 mark. Should be a two-fer tonight.

I might actually leave early to go to the men's game so that I can see Candace get to the milestone.  Who knows, one of the gals might actually throw one down, McShepherd style!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on November 14, 2005, 03:35:23 PM
So how many points you think Romeo will average this year? With out blake he will have to get his shot off byhimself alot more i think

Add this one to those I used above to set up my theory.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: NewportPlayer3 on October 25, 2005, 01:32:36 PM
I recently talked on the phone with mike and he didnt think Cnu was the right prgram for him and he wanted to go closer to home so his parents and family could see him play so he transferred to Penn State Altoona, and looks like he will start  along side the 3rd leading scorer from d3 last year  Tyler ( i forget his last name )

Start?  Didn't happen.  AND, they're 5-14.  The gas money stays in my pocket.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 10:07:26 AM
Here's another quote from NEWPORTPLAYER3 from another board -

"Though a bad record PS Altoona is a dangerous team. They play everyone tough. And now it seems that they are starting to finish games off instead of fading in the last 3 minutes. They are playing hard nose defense and team ball on offense

They have had 4-5 games where they have had the lead int he finals minutes only to let it slip. THey might get some upsets in the final weeks.


I would say JJ ferguson is one of the top shooters in the league. But with the team hes on he neverseems to be taking the most contested shots neither"   

End quote.

I'm sorry for commandeering the board guys, but I just don't like pseudo-fans, as you can tell.  I think we see where this guy's loyalties are.  Where is he getting his information about how well Ferguson's shots are being defended?  Does he travel to see their games?  Maybe, cause he really, really likes Mike Dancer.  Or is his buddy venting to him his own frustrations that yet ANOTHER great player is preventing him from being the superstar that he thinks he should be.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 07, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: captj on February 07, 2006, 10:07:26 AM
Does he travel to see their games?  Maybe, cause he really, really likes Mike Dancer.  Or is his buddy venting to him his own frustrations that yet ANOTHER great player is preventing him from being the superstar that he thinks he should be.

Maybe he IS Mike Dancer?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 07, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: captj on February 07, 2006, 10:07:26 AM
Does he travel to see their games?  Maybe, cause he really, really likes Mike Dancer.  Or is his buddy venting to him his own frustrations that yet ANOTHER great player is preventing him from being the superstar that he thinks he should be.

Maybe he IS Mike Dancer?

Could be, could be.  But I am sure that he's not narch, who I earlier suspected was several posters on this board at once :). 

narch would never say some of the things that this guy has posted.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 07, 2006, 01:14:42 PM
Today is a big day in the conference race. Will methodist be able to pull off the upset I dont know but I do know that Averett needs to make a big rebound and get back to where they were.  And I do not see it happening but I know that all of us people on here becides cnu85 and captj would like to see a upset but I dont think that is going to happen. But as far as my pride are concernd I think we have a good chance against the panthers but only time will tell. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2006, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: captj on February 07, 2006, 09:50:34 AM
Start?  Didn't happen.

captj - c'mon, now...he's started one of their 16 games...maybe that's what newportplayer3 meant, that he'd start A game - he IS the third leading scorer on the psua team at 8.7 ppg

Quote from: leroy on February 07, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
Maybe he IS Mike Dancer?

leroy, this was my thought, exactly...in fact, i had my suspicions prior to the season...remember, young mr. dancer was pretty active on this board and the odac board during the recruiting process
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 07, 2006, 01:35:34 PM
Um, I dont even know what to say to all that. Uh, go Captains! LOL 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 07, 2006, 01:35:34 PM
Um, I dont even know what to say to all that. Uh, go Captains! LOL 

Sorry, Goose.  But the "Is there anything wrong with romeo? I been watching and hes getting less and less palying time" post just spun me up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 07, 2006, 04:00:03 PM
I gotcha. Hate to see you get fired up!! Stay away from you!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 07, 2006, 08:14:46 PM
Capts up 42-34 at the half.  Romeo nets 13 in the first to eclipse the 1000 point mark.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2006, 09:16:54 PM
au wins 76-65...can't remember the last time the cougars swept the monarchs...i think that put's the final nail in the championship defense for mc
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 07, 2006, 10:12:00 PM
Only a couple of random thoughts tonight, gents; 

Yeah, Captains!!!!!!

and

Congratulations, Jeremy Romeo!  He needed 10 to get to 1000 career points and blew through it in the first half with 13.  22 for the game in what was almost a perfect game.  He defended extremely well, snagged 8 boards, had no turnovers, etc, etc.  An almost perfect game.  Congratulations to a great Captain!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on February 08, 2006, 10:07:06 AM
Narch, Averett swept Methodist in 2001 (101-98 in 2OT - Danville and 89-86 in Fayetteville).  However, we hadn't defeated Methodist since, until this year.  The Monarchs actually shot the ball really well, just couldn't take care of it - turned it over 25 times and shot 49%.  They are still a dangerous team that can win some games in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 08, 2006, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: AUCougars on February 08, 2006, 10:07:06 AMThey are still a dangerous team that can win some games in the tourney.

unfortunately, they're going to HAVE to win some games in the tourney...if they go on a 3 game win streak in the tourney, then i can say they've won a conference championship or conference tournament or shared a conference championship in 4 straight years...i'm sure the cnu fans would REALLY like that, especially you, captj - this is clearly a disappointing season and i just can't put my finger on what is going on with this team, because i still contend they are very talented - oh well, gotta play the role of spoiler...something the monarchs haven't done in a few years - at least the ladies are still in contention...it's a long-shot for them, but they've got some talent...maybe i'll post on the women's board until baseball hits full stride (and i don't even need to wait for one to throw down like captj does :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 08, 2006, 05:13:29 PM
narch -

You hit on something that really worries me about your guys... that they can play the spoiler.  There is probably nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal (especially a lion).  And that's just how I see them right now.  It certainly doesn't always happen, but underachieving teams have been known to align their stars at the very last minute and cause real hardship for teams that take them for granted.  But, and this is a BIG but; I don't think anyone is going to take your guys for granted.  I think any higher seed that plays them in the tournament will NOT look past them to the next round. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 08, 2006, 05:29:48 PM
Look at NC Wesleyan last year, they were the seven seed and upset the Captains in the first round and then went on to the championship, albeit they lost to MC in the finals, but they definitely came to play in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2006, 03:54:45 PM
some good news for the monarchs in a tough season - grant named cosida academic all-district (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/grantacademicalldistrict.htm) - grant also got his 1000th point earlier in the season and seth thomas is just 37 points away from 1000 for his career - congrats guys on the on-court and especially the off-court accolades

despite a very tough season, these two have been a lot of fun to watch over the last 4 years...they play the game hard and well and are fundamentally strong in addition to being really good students in the classroom...the kind of guys you want in your program, that's for sure
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 09, 2006, 05:26:38 PM
I have a question for Greensboro fans. Where was Newman and Holloway at for the Ferrum game? Anyone have any ideas on their whereabouts?? Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 09, 2006, 07:05:11 PM
Wow, this board is dead.  Someone say something that will p#*$ me off so that I have something to talk about.  Continuing to extol the virtues of the mighty Captains just seems like piling on right now.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 09, 2006, 08:51:11 PM
Captj-
   NO MORE CAPTAINS CREW HALFTIME FOOD AFTER THIS WEEKEND!!!

How's that for starting the home fires burning!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 09, 2006, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 09, 2006, 08:51:11 PM
Captj-
   NO MORE CAPTAINS CREW HALFTIME FOOD AFTER THIS WEEKEND!!!

How's that for starting the home fires burning!!

Nice try, Goose.  The last time they served those chicken cordon bleu balls I stuffed about twenty of them in my pockets.  They should be really ripe by the tournament.  I'm set, dude.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 09, 2006, 09:50:46 PM
As long as Sarah brings us the half-time stats, 85 and I will be just fine.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2006, 09:58:24 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 09, 2006, 05:26:38 PM
Where was Newman and Holloway at for the Ferrum game?

i could say something about the grammar...that would REALLY get the board going, but then, i've made a vow to refrain from that sort of thing :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 09, 2006, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: narch on February 09, 2006, 09:58:24 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 09, 2006, 05:26:38 PM
Where was Newman and Holloway at for the Ferrum game?

i could say something about the grammar...that would REALLY get the board going, but then, i've mad a vow to refrain from that sort of thing :)

I wood say that bye quoting hymn you did say somethin about hes grammer.  Sham, sham narch.  I thot better of ewe.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 10, 2006, 09:22:33 AM
narch you really can kiss it for all I care. i keep forgetting this is your own personal english class. Guess I failed, and you know what, I dont care. And why even mention it if you know it will get the board going?? You make no sense some times.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 10, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
Captj-
   Im serious, the Prez Box will not be open during the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 10, 2006, 10:56:14 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 10, 2006, 09:22:33 AM
narch you really can kiss it for all I care. i keep forgetting this is your own personal english class. Guess I failed, and you know what, I dont care. And why even mention it if you know it will get the board going?? You make no sense some times.

Sometimes should be just one word.  I believe it is also considered bad grammar to begin a sentence with the word "And". 



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 10, 2006, 11:33:57 AM
Whatever.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 10, 2006, 11:37:19 AM
Let me see, did I spell that right?? I think so, leroy, narch, want to make sure??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 10, 2006, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 10, 2006, 09:22:33 AM
narch you really can kiss it for all I care. i keep forgetting this is your own personal english class. Guess I failed, and you know what, I dont care.

dude, it was a joke, and i was poking fun at MYSELF for being the annoying guy who brings up grammar and spelling...get your pink panties out of the wad that they're in

Quote from: Goose13 on February 10, 2006, 09:22:33 AMAnd why even mention it if you know it will get the board going?? You make no sense some times.

maybe this will answer your question

Quote from: captj on February 09, 2006, 07:05:11 PM
Wow, this board is dead.  Someone say something that will p#*$ me off so that I have something to talk about.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 10, 2006, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: narch on February 10, 2006, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 10, 2006, 09:22:33 AM
narch you really can kiss it for all I care. i keep forgetting this is your own personal english class. Guess I failed, and you know what, I dont care.

dude, it was a joke, and i was poking fun at MYSELF for being the annoying guy who brings up grammar and spelling...get your pink panties out of the wad that they're in

Quote from: Goose13 on February 10, 2006, 09:22:33 AMAnd why even mention it if you know it will get the board going?? You make no sense some times.

maybe this will answer your question

Quote from: captj on February 09, 2006, 07:05:11 PM
Wow, this board is dead.  Someone say something that will p#*$ me off so that I have something to talk about.

Oh great... now blame it on me! ;D :o ??? ;) ::) :)  And either way (oops, started a sentence with "And"), how was correcting Goose's grammar going to p#*s ME off?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 10, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
Quote from: captj on February 10, 2006, 12:37:54 PMAnd either way (oops, started a sentence with "And"), how was correcting Goose's grammar going to p#*s ME off?

i was under the impression that EVERYONE (which would include you) got p#*sed off when i correct grammar...maybe i'm wrong ???

goose - i formally apologize if my apparently miserable attempt at self-deprecating humor in any way offended you - that was not my intention - i also realize that it's improbable that you wear pink panties (although fuchsia wouldn't surprise me) - i'd like to ask forgiveness for any negative implications that my statement about said panties might connotate, especially those implications regarding your manhood - you are probably twice the man that i am, with or without wadded up pink (or fuchsia) panties

Quote from: captj on February 10, 2006, 12:37:54 PMOh great... now blame it on me! ;D :o ??? ;) ::) :)

captj - i formally apologize for blaming you for my comedic inadequacies - clearly, my lack of humor has nothing to do with you and, as such, i should not use you as a crutch :)

on a basketball note:

the monarchs have a tough game at piedmont this weekend - i'm rooting for mc, but since the pc coach is a mc grad, i really can't lose - coach glenn's team played really hard and really well in the riddle center earlier this year, and i expect more of the same at their place - it would be nice for the monarchs to get a few wins going into the conference tournament and build some momentum for a possible post-season run, though...gotta have hope, right?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 10, 2006, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: narch on February 10, 2006, 01:38:17 PM
goose - i formally apologize if my apparently miserable attempt at self-deprecating humor in any way offended you - that was not my intention - i also realize that it's improbable that you wear pink panties (although fuchsia wouldn't surprise me) - i'd like to ask forgiveness for any negative implications that my statement about said panties might connotate, especially those implications regarding your manhood - you are probably twice the man that i am, with or without wadded up pink (or fuchsia) panties

captj - i formally apologize for blaming you for my comedic inadequacies - clearly, my lack of humor has nothing to do with you and, as such, i should not use you as a crutch :)

narch -

I'm certain that you have buckets of inadequacies, but a comedic shortcoming isn't one of them.  I about cracked up reading your formal apology to Goose, and I am sure he did too (even if he's still acting wounded).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 10, 2006, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 10, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
Captj-
   Im serious, the Prez Box will not be open during the conference tournament.

I suppose that next you're going to tell me that I don't have tickets to the tournament games? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 10, 2006, 02:37:30 PM
Nope, dont you ever go to the front page of the cnu athletics website??? Come one, there is all kind of info there regarding the tournament, captains crew members, season ticket holders, etc. Welcome to the world of the USA South where conference tournys are the exact opposite of the regular season. I cant even get free tickets, lord knows you wont be able too (is that the correct usage of it, or is it to?) either.

Here is one http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/Misc/misc020706.htm about it on the CNU webpage.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 11, 2006, 08:36:57 AM
Captj's Perdictions –

Ferrum at Shenandoah – Home team
Greensboro at NC Wesleyan – Home team
Averett at CNU – Home team

Averett at Shenandoah – Home team
Ferrum at CNU – Home team

Methodist at NC Wesleyan – Home team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 11, 2006, 09:05:36 AM
Ferrum at Shenandoah – Ferrum
Greensboro at NC Wesleyan – Greensboro
Averett at CNU – Averett

Averett at Shenandoah – Averett
Ferrum at CNU – CNU

Methodist at NC Wesleyan –to close to call right now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 11, 2006, 10:11:59 AM
Gullett -

Do you play poker?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on February 11, 2006, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: captj on February 11, 2006, 10:11:59 AM
Gullett -

Do you play poker?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...


By the way Narch, I thought it was funny. 






Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on February 11, 2006, 07:33:26 PM
CNU comes from behind to defeat Averett 86-76
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2006, 07:41:33 PM
pc 110 - mc 100...big night for thomas with 32 and 13...monarch defense didn't show up - box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0211.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 11, 2006, 08:28:44 PM
GC dropped a two-point decision to NC Wesleyan, 85-83.
Ferrum once again beat Shenandoah at the buzzer, Keith Harris' three ball with one second left lifted the Panthers over the Hornets, 67-66.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 11, 2006, 09:55:59 PM
captj!! Dont make me wait for you well thought out verbage on tonight's game!!!

Im still not sure what to think on this one. The capts definitely got off a to a slow start and were terrible on the glass. They also seemed real sluggish on defense, were slow to get around screens and got killed on the back door cuts. But they stepped up and showed what they were made of down the stretch. They did shoot well, but Averett definitely took advantage of the CNU turnovers and turned them into points and dominated the offensive glass and turned those rebounds into second chance opportunities. I hope they come out well rested tomorrow (assuming there is a game, I think there will be.) Shenandoah and Averett have already postponed their double dip to Monday at 5 and 7 due to all the snow and ice in Winchester.

It is Senior Day tomorrow, and Adam Purdham and Jeremy Romeo will be honored prior to tip-off.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 12, 2006, 01:04:12 AM
Random thoughts on the huge win by the Captains (17-5, 8-1) over a VERY tough Averett (16-7, 7-3) team –

My overwhelming thought is that I am so proud of these guys.  They fought so hard against a bunch of Cougars that definitely came to Newport News prepared to play.  Everything didn't work, but what a game! 

Davon Barton (22 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals) is just so solid.  He is the Liz Moore and Associates Team Player of the Game once again.  We are so fortunate to have this guy.  I am looking forward to many more years of Davon in a Captains uniform.  FT said it best in the post-game broadcast; Barton and Blasingame are a great foundation on which to build a successful program for years to come. 

Forget years to come... we've got a team that is firing on all cylinders right now!

Free throws!  How about those free throws!  12 of 14 (86%) in the 2nd half when missing them would have been disastrous.  This team has so much heart, it is incredible. 

Everybody played their heart out.  Selden hustled for every second he was in the game (as usual), Romeo had an off night offensively but played great defense (as usual), Lewis gave us good minutes when he was in the game and had some big buckets, Blasingame was a beast inside (as usual) and did a good job of avoiding foul trouble (even though the deck was stacked against him in that respect), Purdham played great defense and was robbed by the official scorer of a tip-in in the 2nd half, Riley was very, very solid off the bench and efficient offensively and on the boards, Claxton was also tough on the boards and gave very good minutes.  A great game by all!

The tall chubby zebra should go back to calling junior high games.  He should be ashamed.  This game got totally out of control under the boards.  The refs let them get away with WAY too much.  Boor got away with murder, but I don't fault him because he was just playing as hard as the refs would let him.  I'm really glad that someone didn't get hurt in this one.

The fans rocked the Freeman today.  My buddy the LtCol practically went insane and this was only his 2nd time at a Captains game.  He's not going to miss another one this year.  1701 people saw a great game.

The Cougars are good!  I'm not picking against them the rest of the year (until they play the Captains).  I am officially changing my pick in the Averett/Shenandoah game; the Hornets can't play with these guys, even at home in a blizzard.  I predict that Captains fans haven't the last of the Cougars.

Go Captains!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 12, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
Well they definitely arent playing today, thats for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 12, 2006, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 12, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
Well the definitely arent playing today, thats for sure.

You're talking about AU at Shenandoah, right?  Maybe shotblocker or someone can verify that the game's officially postponed.

CNU still plays today, right?  There is nothing bad happening (weather) where I live in Smithfield.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 12, 2006, 11:16:05 AM
Things to ponder as we near D3 March Madness....Captj is not gonna like this....just remember the Captains are a very good team in a very weak conference. CNU is 0-3 against ranked teams this, although those games were early in the year, CNU was trying to find the chemistry, and they played Lincoln to a tough OT loss.

My point - don't get too excited if CNU should make the NCAA (still have to get by AU again!!)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 12, 2006, 11:46:34 AM
85 -

Why would I not like your comments?  I agree with you.  We started getting the chemistry right just after we took that tough road trip.  But we've definitely got it right now.  Would we have beaten VWC if we'd played them later?  Probably not since they also seem to be playing better than ever.  Would we beat Lincoln right now?  Maybe.  Could we upset someone in the NCAA tournament IF we make it through the conference tournament?  You bet we could!  But first we have to win the USASAC, which is going to be tough enough.  CJ's been around too long to let our guys start looking past the next team on our schedule.  You don't win 200 conference games as a coach by not taking EVERY conference game very seriously.  Right now we need to focus 100% of our attention on Ferrum, and I bet that is exactly what the Captains are doing right now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 12, 2006, 12:43:46 PM
There isnt anything to confirm, its been on their website since 7 pm last night!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 12, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
Off of Shenandoah's website.

WINCHESTER, Va. - The snowstorm that has hit the northern Shenandoah Valley has caused the Shenandoah University men's and women's basketball games scheduled for Sunday, February 12, to be postponed.

Both the men's and women's games with Averett will now be played Monday, February 13 beginning at 5:00 with the women's contest.

The women's basketball alumni function will now be held Wednesday night during the women's contest with Wesley College.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 12, 2006, 01:42:26 PM
I see Holloway played for Greensboro last night but no sign of Newman still. What's the deal?? Could he have been a difference in perhaps helping the Pride defeat NCW yesterday?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 12, 2006, 09:46:08 PM
Random thoughts from the Captains (18-5, 9-1) win over Ferrum (6-18, 2-9) –

Today was not about the win, which was both uninspired and undistinguished.  Today was about two guys, two Captains in the finest sense of the word; Adam Purdham and Jeremy Romeo.  In all of the talk about turnover at CNU, I'd like to point out that these two guys came to CNU in 2002.  In the four years they've been Captains we've won 72% of our games.  We're a far better team because of them.

I remember hearing somewhere that Adam Purdham scored 1400 points in high school.  But with the Captains, Adam didn't need to score buckets of points.  Adam is conclusive proof that basketball is NOT just about scoring.  It's about teamwork and doing what is necessary to win.  Sometimes it's about shutting down the opponent's top gun, which Adam did again and again.  What he's done in pursuit of the bigger goal has been incredibly selfless, and I hope that Captains fans appreciate it.  I guarantee that Coach Woollum and his teammates do. 

Some guys are seemingly too good to be true.  Jeremy Romeo seems too good to be true.  A gifted shooter and defender, our expectations of him were unreasonable right from the beginning.  Sure, he often put up incredible numbers, but it seemed that no matter what he did, we expected more.  And what did he do?  He just went out and PERFORMED, game after game after game.  He put up the points, he took on the opposing team's hot shooter (and almost always WON), and he made the Captains a much, much better team. 

Two GREAT Captains.  Find us two more just like them, CJ.  We're a lesser team without them.

Thanks for the memories, guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 13, 2006, 07:53:44 AM
Nicely said, captj.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2006, 08:24:06 AM
congrats to the capts on the regular season conference championship and #1 seed...a 2 game lead with 2 to play (and sweep of averett) ensures the seed and at least a co-championship...i promise that i, for one, won't use the term backing-in if the capts lose the last 2 games :) - great run for the captains through the conference to this point
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 13, 2006, 08:42:34 AM
Quote from: narch on February 13, 2006, 08:24:06 AM
congrats to the capts on the regular season conference championship and #1 seed...a 2 game lead with 2 to play (and sweep of averett) ensures the seed and at least a co-championship...i promise that i, for one, won't use the term backing-in if the capts lose the last 2 games :) - great run for the captains through the conference to this point

I had the same thought, narch.  I was thinking that with the two wins this past weekend the pressure is really off of the last two games... and then I remembered last year and how your local newspaper editor claimed that the Monarchs had "backed into" the title and how I took heat for calling that irresponsible journalism.  I don't think that the Captains are going to drop two though, so those words shouldn't come up, even inappropriately.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 13, 2006, 08:52:08 AM
And you can beat that Coach Woollum and his staff will not go into Friday and Saturday's games on a passive note either. They are planning to go on the road and come back with a 10-game winning streak heading into the conference tourny next week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 13, 2006, 12:24:38 PM
I think CJ has a shot at being coach of the year if CNU can win at least one game this weekend.  I know that's the last thing on his mind, but it would be nice to see due to the comments a couple years ago.  The coach at Averett may be too hard to beat out this year, but we'll see.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 13, 2006, 01:24:56 PM
I dont think you can justify giving Allen COY honors again this year. Granted he did a great job but he was picked to finish 3rd and sure he can finish in a tie for 1st, but that means the capts have to lose twice this weekend and Averett has to win out. And they still have to play NCW. Woollum should get it because his team was picked to finish 4th and the worst he can do it tie for 1st. But thats just me, Im biased.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2006, 02:19:26 PM
cj...coty...hands down...put it in stone...no need to debate
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 13, 2006, 03:30:10 PM
I want to give him COTY for recruiting, if nothing else.  We have the foundation for a very successful future.  That we are winning already is amazing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 13, 2006, 05:06:58 PM
narch -

I know that you're keeping your PVR spreadsheet current... enlighten us.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 13, 2006, 07:18:06 PM
Well I know I got some goosebumps when I saw it, just kidding, but the capts received five votes in this week's top 25 poll.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 13, 2006, 09:02:17 PM
Good point(s), Goose.  So, narch, I assume CJ will get Smith's vote?  Regardless of what SU folks may say, Coach Woollum is a class act and I hope he wins.

I just saw those votes as well, Goose.  It sure would be nice to get back to the good old days.  Gotta keep winning....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 13, 2006, 09:09:57 PM
SU up by five i believe late in the second half lets another lead slip away to Averett as the Cougars won 68-65. Lawrence goes nuts for 25 and 21. Yes, 21 rebounds!!

Any MC/NCW score??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 13, 2006, 09:35:02 PM
Big win for the Monarchs as they go into the Lions Den at NCW and come away with a three-point win. Narch you have to be happy with that W, thats a great win for them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2006, 10:22:28 PM
nice w for the monarchs, unfortunately its little more than a moral victory at this point (hey, i'll take moral victories, too) - thomas goes over 1000 points for his career (essentially in 3 years...he didn't play much as a frosh) - mcbryde and mcdonald started and played very well, looking at the box score - hall was 5-21 shooting and arrington had an off night, as well - best of all, the monarchs limited the ncwc ft's tonight - nice win...maybe they can start a little 5 game win streak  :D

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0213.htm)

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/ncwesleyanroad.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 14, 2006, 08:00:41 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 13, 2006, 07:18:06 PM
the capts received five votes in this week's top 25 poll.

Frankly, I'd rather those votes not be there.  We've done extremely well for ourselves all year without high expectations and praise placed on us.  We've gone out and proved how good we are on the court.  I guess that a team can't win like we have and stay completely under the radar though.  Now we'll find out how well we play when we're supposed to win.  I think we'll do just fine.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 14, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
I like the votes...actually we need 70 more to make the top 25.....think what that would do for recruiting....a top 25 with 2 of the starters Freshmen.....it would draw the attention of some d3 prospects to help build around Barton and Blasingame!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 14, 2006, 11:44:02 AM
It really makes no nevermind to me. I just want us to win out this weekend in two very tough gyms. Sunday's especially, since it will be senior day for Thomas and Grant (correct me if Im wrong on those two narch). Not too mention the sauna that is Hanes Gym. Tough way to finish out the season, but it might be good practice for the NCAA Tourny if the capts get in, because on the road could quite possibly be where the are going.

And with the quirkyness of this year's NCAA Tourny and the way its setup (read the front page's daily dose if you havent). There is a lot of room for tweaking or it could end up like the men's and women's soccer tournaments this past fall.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 14, 2006, 12:20:59 PM
Alright narch, its the final week of the regular season. Where are those PVR reports!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 14, 2006, 01:04:07 PM
Narch and Captj.......don't do it!!!! I can feel your thoughts....let it be!! don't pay it no nevermind!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 14, 2006, 01:05:43 PM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 85
HIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 14, 2006, 03:24:07 PM
i'm going to do the pvr stuff after the games this weekend...maybe by monday if i have a chance and the usasac stats are updated quickly (which has been the case this year...they've been VERY timely...props to the usasac sid)

goose, don't plan on being in the riddle center on sunday...or maybe you AND the team should :) - yes, that game will be the final home regular season tilt for thomas and grant (hosting a first round usasac tournament game isn't out of the question, depending on results from this weekend if i understand the format correctly) - it will be tough to say goodbye to those two, especially on such a down note - they are two of the best student-athletes to don the green and gold over the last 7 or 8 years and i REALLY wanted them to go 4-for-4
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 14, 2006, 03:28:59 PM
Im thinking of making the trip down this weekend. Would like to see the Capts finish the regular season on a positive note. You do still have a chance to host a quarterfinal game. If we beat GC and you beat SU, that puts you...wait, if you tie them in the standings for fourth, you win the tie breaker because you beat GC twice. I think your chances of hosting a quarterfinal game are very good.

Be looking forward to the PVR stuff next week. Cory has been very diligent about updating the stats very quickly. I remember looking at the USA South site after our win against Averett Saturday and maybe an hour after the game, I think the stats and standings were all updated to that point.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 14, 2006, 08:29:02 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 14, 2006, 03:28:59 PMCory has been very diligent about updating the stats very quickly. I remember looking at the USA South site after our win against Averett Saturday and maybe an hour after the game, I think the stats and standings were all updated to that point.

yeah...the most timely conference sid i can remember...doing a great job that goes VERY underappreciated (as do most sid jobs)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 14, 2006, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on February 14, 2006, 01:04:07 PM
Narch and Captj.......don't do it!!!! I can feel your thoughts....let it be!! don't pay it no nevermind!

?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 15, 2006, 05:56:13 PM
Quote from: captj on February 14, 2006, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on February 14, 2006, 01:04:07 PM
Narch and Captj.......don't do it!!!! I can feel your thoughts....let it be!! don't pay it no nevermind!

ok I'll do it....It really makes no nevermind to me either.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 15, 2006, 09:24:23 PM
Quote from: cnu85 on February 14, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
I like the votes...actually we need 70 more to make the top 25.....think what that would do for recruiting....a top 25 with 2 of the starters Freshmen.....it would draw the attention of some d3 prospects to help build around Barton and Blasingame!

Yes... but.  Making the top 25 for a week or two just before the NCAA tournament and then not making the tournament is NOTHING compared to winning conference and going to the dance.  Right now I just want to win the Dixie (oops, I mean the USASAC) tournament and get into the NCAA.  I just don't see how top-25 votes will help us achieve that goal.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 15, 2006, 10:17:30 PM
Hey Goose, 85 -

How about we all do a road trip to Fayetteville this Saturday to see the Captains beat the defending conference champs?  You guys pay for gas and I'll provide luxury transportation.  Wouldn't it be cool to meet narch?  We'd be home by 11PM.  I'm serious, guys; I'll drive.  Anyone else that wants to go, speak up now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 15, 2006, 11:45:32 PM
The Capts enter this week's regional rankings at No. 6, FYI. The complete rankings are on the front page of d3hoops under the Daily Dose.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 16, 2006, 11:42:19 AM
Quote from: captj on February 15, 2006, 10:17:30 PM
Hey Goose, 85 -

How about we all do a road trip to Fayetteville this Saturday to see the Captains beat the defending conference champs?  You guys pay for gas and I'll provide luxury transportation.  Wouldn't it be cool to meet narch?  We'd be home by 11PM.  I'm serious, guys; I'll drive.  Anyone else that wants to go, speak up now.

Sounds like fun, but can't do it. I have a baseball commitment Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 16, 2006, 12:04:48 PM
Um, Ill already be there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 16, 2006, 12:14:24 PM
Purely me just wanting to do this, no rhyme or reason, this is just my take at the all conference teams

1st team
Jarmel Arrington
Lenny Hall
Jeremiah Lawrence
Steve Berg
Davon Barton
(Insert Seth Thomas as my alternate)

2nd team
Seth Thomas (if he's not 1st team)
Eugene Grant
Jeremy Romeo
Dont'a Selden
Sterling Williams/Cory McDaniel

Honorable Mention
Cory McDaniel/Sterling Williams
Mark Blasingame
Mouktar Fawehinmi
Rob Fuller/Michael McDuffie/Robert Lee/Steven Johns

The last spot on HM was tough and I couldnt pick one so I decided to make it a lil larger!

POY Lenny Hall
ROY Davon Barton (but I think they will give it to Arrington based on scoring)
COY CJ Woollum

Remember, this is purely based on my own observations with stats taken in to account, sooooo, dont get mad at me!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2006, 01:53:17 PM
my picks for the weekend

friday, feb 17
su @ mc
ncwc @ fc
cnu @ gc

saturday, feb 18
su @ gc
ncwc @ au
cnu
@ mc

although the #1 seed is locked up for the captains, no other seed is settled

in my scenario above, this is what the seeds would be
1. cnu
2. au
3. ncwc
4. mc
5. gc
6. fc
7. su

if i understand the new tourney format correctly, next tuesday (?) the first round match-ups would be:

#5 gc @ #4 mc
#6 fc @ #3 ncwc
#7 su @ #2 au
bye @ #1 cnu

then the semifinals on saturday (or is it friday?) at cnu would be:
gc/mc winner vs. cnu
fc/ncwc winner vs. su/au winner

someone help me out if i'm not understanding the new format correctly

BUT...

with 2 wins, ncwc would grab the #2 seed by virtue of a split with averett and the ncwc win vs. cnu (au was swept by cnu)

with 2 wins the monarchs could grab the #3 seed if ncwc loses to au...both would be 1-1 vs. cnu, 0-2 vs. averett, 1-1 vs. each other, but ncwc is 1-1 vs. gc and mc is 2-0 vs. the pride

if ncwc wins on friday, they are assured of the #4 seed at the very least (the win over cnu would break the record and head to head tie with the pride)

if mc and cnu win on friday, the monarchs are guaranteed at least the #4 seed by virtue of a 2-0 record vs. gc, regardless of what happens on saturday

su has to win 2 games AND ncwc has to beat fc for su to avoid being the #7 seed, as they lost both games to fc

whew...if i missed any possible scenarios, sorry :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 16, 2006, 02:34:39 PM
The semifinals are Friday and the championship is Saturday at 2 pm.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 16, 2006, 02:36:28 PM
narch u are correct. The seeding is far from decided and we could see come clarity after Friday night's games. I think you have all the scenarios mapped out for this weekend. Should be a fun and exciting finish to the regular season this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 16, 2006, 05:26:44 PM
Goose...interesting thoughts ont he all conference teams. You get to see more of the players than I do.......what would be the difference for Blasingame being HM rather than 2nd team? If you are looking at stats, doesn't his blocked shots count for something? Or do points and rebounds count more? Just curious. I remember Blasingame looking lost in the first game, and now he's becoming a dominant player as a freshman and one of the nations leading shot blockers.

What does Captj think???

Also - I saw a license plate that said Capt D - I thought, that could be my new d3hoops name...but if I did that, Goose would keep asking for a fish sandwich combo!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 16, 2006, 06:06:25 PM
I put Mark on the HM team based solely on points. I definitely think he's at least a second teamer and he may very well end up there. Knowing how the coaches work kinda gives me an idea on how to pick'em. I think if he continues to improve, there's no reason why he shouldnt be a first teamer from next year on out.

Stick with CNU85, besides, I dont eat fish!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 16, 2006, 06:30:49 PM
Davon Barton was named to the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week.  Congratulations Davon!  It's nice to see a Captain recognized this way again.


Here's the text from the website -

"Barton averaged 15.7 points, 8.3 assists, 3.3 steals and three rebounds for the Captains in a 3-0 week. The freshman point guard tallied 15 points and 13 assists in a 78-74 win over Ferrum as fellow freshman Mark Blasingame narrowly missed a triple-double with nine points (4-for-4 FGs), 13 rebounds and 10 blocks."

It's cool that Blasingame was recognized/mentioned as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 16, 2006, 09:17:35 PM
CaptJ's All-Conference Teams (through 2/16/06)

To start with, I'm not putting Steve Berg on ANY of my teams.  I'm not convinced that he's not just a hired gun, and since I only have to follow MY rules in naming MY team, I'm just not going to include him.  But one thing is for sure about Mr. Berg; he's got game.

1st Team
LAWRENCE, Jeremiah – SU
HALL, Lenny – NCW
BARTON, Davon – CNU
ROMEO, Jeremy – CNU
THOMAS, Seth - MC

2nd Team
ARRINGTON, Jarmel – NCW
GRANT, Eugene – MC
FAWEHINMI, Mouktar – SU
BLASINGAME, Mark – CNU
DELEON, Rafael – AU

Honorable Mention
SELDEN, Donta – CNU
McDUFFIE, Michael – GC
STEVENSON, Dominique – AU
RAY, Trey – FC
LEWIS, Korey – CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 12:01:18 AM
My perdictions -

Friday
CNU at GC - CNU
SU at MC - Methodist
NCW at FC  - Ferrum

Saturday
CNU at MC - CNU
SU at GC - Greensboro
NCW at AU – Averett



Perdicted final standings –

CNU (11-1, 20-5)
Averett (9-3, 18-7)
Greensboro (6-6, 11-13)
NC Wesleyan (6-6, 8-17)
Methodist (6-6, 8-17)
Ferrum (3-9, 7-18)
Shenandoah (1-11, 9-15)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 17, 2006, 07:58:16 AM
Captj - I see you've finally come around to my way of thinking - back when I predicted CNU would have a 20 win season!!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 20, 2005, 11:10:01 PM
Captj,

What do you predict for the record at the end fo regular season? I predict 12-13 and an empty Freeman Center come tournament time.

Lots of talent...young.....too many turnovers, too many slow starts, too easy of an early schedule.....6-2...enjoy it while we can.

Since you brought it up...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 17, 2006, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: captj on February 17, 2006, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: cnu85 on December 20, 2005, 11:10:01 PM
Captj,

What do you predict for the record at the end fo regular season? I predict 12-13 and an empty Freeman Center come tournament time.

Lots of talent...young.....too many turnovers, too many slow starts, too easy of an early schedule.....6-2...enjoy it while we can.

Since you brought it up...


Yikes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 17, 2006, 02:28:16 PM
Oh sure...twist it all around!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 07:08:20 PM
I think this weekend could be a defining moment for the young Captains.  I also think that the conference tournament will be an extension of that.  Being the favored, the front-runner, is a circumstance that is fraught with danger.  We all know that higher-ranked teams lose away games with regularity in conference play.  How we play this weekend, against teams that we've already beaten, will determine to a large extent how this team will be remembered.  CNU is a VERY good team this year.  CJ has put together a mix of veterans and newcomers that have put aside individual gratification and have instead formed a team that is greater that the sum of the individual components.  The Captains are a TEAM in every sense of the word, and it is the upperclassmen, the seniors, that I commend for that achievement.  Jeremy Romeo could have come into this season with the expectation that he would receive every other pass; that the team would go to him first (and last).  He hasn't played with that expectation.  He's been content to go mano-a-mano against the opposing hotshot shooter, to utilize his incredible defensive skills, to let others provide the offensive spark required to WIN, while he shuts down his man.  And, by the way; he's still the best 3-point shooter in the conference.  Thanks, Jeremy.  And thanks, Captains.  I am so proud of you guys.  The integrity and character you've displayed this year has been a joy to watch.  You are CAPTAINS in every sense of the word.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 09:00:15 PM
if cnu can get the "W", the monarchs will get a first round home game with a win over the hornets tonight...sounds like an ugly game, mc wins 56-41
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 17, 2006, 09:42:06 PM
Pride.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 09:51:42 PM
Dang... it's tough to win on the road.  I didn't get to listen to the webcast so I don't know how the game went, so I'm really anxious to see/read the game summary. 

Get after the Monarchs tomorrow, Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 10:06:00 PM
Quote from: captj on February 17, 2006, 12:01:18 AM
My perdictions -

Friday
CNU at GC - CNU
SU at MC - Methodist
NCW at FC  - Ferrum


I'd trade being right about Ferrum winning over NC Wesleyan (definitely an upset) for a CNU win at Greensboro.  It is so tough to win on the road in this conference, which is all the more reason why I am so excited about the upcoming USASAC tournament at the Freeman Center.  I have my tickets and you can be sure that when the Captains play, their opponents will know that they are in hostile territory.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 10:34:58 PM
Hey Jake  (pride1fan),

Are you going to post up only when your guys win?  Speak up, dude... we appreciate a little bit of smack-talk on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 10:59:17 PM
I don't see how NC Wesleyan can beat the Cougars in Danville tomorrow, so they should end up 6-6.  IF both are able to defend their respective home courts tomorrow, Greensboro and Methodist would both have 7-5 records, with the Monarchs getting the head-to-head tie breaker for third place and a home game against Ferrum in the quarterfinals on Tuesday.  Greensboro would get the Bishops.  I'm guessing that the Captains will feel like they've walked into the lion's den tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 11:03:43 PM
Quote from: captj on February 17, 2006, 10:59:17 PMI'm guessing that the Captains will feel like they've walked into the lion's den tomorrow.

i sure do hope so...and i hope that lion's den provides another "w" for mc...that 3 seed sure would be nice
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 11:13:52 PM
the monarchs had a bit of a block party (http://www.su.edu/athletics/mb/200506/021706.htm) tonight, with 11 as a team...lots of rebounds in a game that featured LOTS of missed shots, by both teams...i really hope the game saturday isn't that ugly

whoa...just checked scores, and the ferrum men beat ncwc tonight (good call, captj)...that 3 seed is really up for grabs for the monarchs...go get it, boys!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 17, 2006, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: captj on February 17, 2006, 10:34:58 PM
Hey Jake  (pride1fan),

Are you going to post up only when your guys win?  Speak up, dude... we appreciate a little bit of smack-talk on this board.
yea I know. It was a great game. Always fun to see CJ act like a little girl. He was crying like he just saw Brokeback mountain.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 17, 2006, 11:22:55 PM
Hey how bout my Pride. I was really worried coming into today but my guys and girls proved me wrong. Huge win for the Pride and hopefully we will have a first round game here at GC.

Sat. Forcast:

CNU @ Methodist---Captains
SU@Greensboro---Pride
NCW@Averett---Cougars


Seed Forcast:

1) CNU
2) Averett
3) Greensboro
4) North Carolina Weslyan
5) Methodist
6) Ferrum
7) Shenandoah

But I dont know who would own the tie braker between NCW & MC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 11:25:47 PM
Greensboro wins a home game against the Captains and out come the die hard Pride fans!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 11:29:01 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 17, 2006, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: captj on February 17, 2006, 10:34:58 PM
Hey Jake  (pride1fan),

Are you going to post up only when your guys win?  Speak up, dude... we appreciate a little bit of smack-talk on this board.
yea I know. It was a great game. Always fun to see CJ act like a little girl. He was crying like he just saw Brokeback mountain.

Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 17, 2006, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 17, 2006, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: captj on February 17, 2006, 10:34:58 PM
Hey Jake  (pride1fan),

Are you going to post up only when your guys win?  Speak up, dude... we appreciate a little bit of smack-talk on this board.
yea I know. It was a great game. Always fun to see CJ act like a little girl. He was crying like he just saw Brokeback mountain.

Not exactly the smack-talk I was talking about.  Loser.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2006, 11:47:30 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 17, 2006, 11:22:55 PMBut I dont know who would own the tie braker between NCW & MC

gullett - ncwc would own the tie-break based on their win over cnu - first tie break is head-to-head (they're 1-1, so no winner), then you start at the top of the standings and go record vs. each team...should mc lose, mc will be 0-2 vs. cnu this year and ncwc is 1-1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on February 17, 2006, 11:55:48 PM
Whatever happens, I just want to say good luck to all the teams.  Its a been a long season,(not long enough).  For all the seniors wrapping up the regular season, I know its been a long four years that has gone by way too quickly.  Enjoy it while you can.  And again, good luck to all the teams, players, and coaches.  I hope everybody comes out and plays hard tomorrow. 












except CNU. I hope they lose.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 18, 2006, 12:54:06 AM
Having been in attendance of the CNU/GC game tonight, its tough to say the Berg kid cant play, well he can. 31 he dropped on the Captains tonight, eight of his nine makes came from behind the arc, he was unstoppable and the Captains played at least four different players on him and still no one could stop this kid, he played his sphincter off tonight! Capts shoot 60% from the field and still lose. They have four in double digits and still lose. Poor free throw shooting down the stretch killed them, plus Davon had prolly his worst road game all season with six dimes and six turnovers. Capts need to finish the trip off with a split tomorrow. Tough to go into the conference tourny on a two-game losing streak.

I heard in the MC/SU game the Hornets shot about 26 or 28% from the field and Lawrence missed his first 12 shots, which obviously didnt bode well for the Hornets.

Congrats to FC, they are a scappy bunch and it was nice to see the Panthers come away with a win over NCW. They should have swept that series, having lost in OT at NCW with Keith Harris, I believe, going 0-for-13 in that game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 18, 2006, 12:58:40 AM
More proof to my unmentioned theory that as Hall and Arrington go, the Bishops go. And in Friday's case, Hall was 4-of-9 from the field, 0-of-2 on threes and 8-of-11 from the line. Arrington was 4-of-16, 1-of-10 from behind the arc and 5-of-5 from the line. A combined 8-of-25 from the field and 1-of-12 from behind the arc. You keep them off the books and they are definitely beatable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2006, 08:42:40 AM
Not exactly the smack-talk I was talking about.  Loser




Good one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 18, 2006, 12:44:01 PM
Gullet - just wanted to say good job by your boys. Even though CNU shot 60%, GC was able to keep fighting and get the W.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on February 18, 2006, 04:34:49 PM
AU 34 - NCWC 20 (6:05 1st)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on February 18, 2006, 04:59:43 PM
AU 48 - NCWC 29 (Half)

Lets go Monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on February 18, 2006, 05:28:46 PM
AU 63 - NCWC 46 (11:27 to play)

MC 54 - CNU 44 (2nd half)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2006, 09:27:43 PM
the board is kinda quite...so i'll liven it up...congrats on the co-championship to the captains and cougars, and boy did the captains ever back into that one (it's a joke, guys...please don't flame me)

today the monarchs got down 2-0 early then blew by the captains and never really looked back...that was the only captain lead of the game - mc must have played one of their best games of the season, but there was only about a 5 minute stretch in the 2nd half when the game was even close to being in question - cnu pulled within 5 after being down double digits most of the game, and radmanovic hit 2 big-time 3's to stop cnu spurts and the monarchs cruised in

captj - i know romeo is a good player, and i trust your assesment of his defensive ability, but he simply couldn't guard a determined seth thomas in the first stanza...thomas scored 8 of the monarchs first 12 points and he had 10 or 12 when cj went to purdham on thomas (who finished the half with 14 and 8)

random thoughts on cnu and mc players

bahm, mc - i saw him play for the first time ever in his senior night, and what a way for him to go out...the only 6 points of his monarch career on 3-4 shooting against cnu starters - i expected a guy who was a career jv guy and had played in only 2 varsity games to be overmatched, but he held his own...he reminded me of a poor man's brian booth :)

mcevoy, mc - i thought he played as well as i've seen in his monarch career - he took a BAD 3 and a BAD 18 footer for his first 2 shots, but didn't miss again, scoring 10 points...he actually looked quick (relatively) at times and really worked blassingame over on a couple of occasions with deft ball fakes - he added 5 blocks and stymied blassingame when he was in

jones, mc - tough little kid...had 3 rebounds in the first 5 minutes, despite being the smallest on the floor

thomas and grant - we all know what i think of these guys, and they showed why i like them so much tonight - grant didn't shoot the ball great (5-15), but he scored 19, hit some BIG shots, had 6 assists with just one t/o, had 8 boards and played solid d - thomas got 23 and 12 (to go with 5 assists) and looked dominant as the monarchs built a nice lead - also did a good defensive job (as usual)...these 2 just do all the little things and have DONE all the little things for the last 3 years

these 5 seniors came out tonight determined to win their last home game and really went right at the captains early...i hope to see that same kind of intensity in the tournament

thoughts on some captain players in my next post...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2006, 09:54:17 PM
i understand that tonight was just one game, but here are my thoughts on some cnu players based on what i saw today:

romeo - i mentioned his defensive struggles with thomas in the earlier post, but he didn't impress me offensively tonight, either...of course, the monarchs had a combo of thomas, grant and lee guarding him all night, and they are very good perimeter defenders (and give him 3 very different looks) - he hit a couple of nice 3's, but i didn't see any mid-range game, he doesn't rebound at all and he just didn't stand out...i posted something similar after the game last year and got jumped, so i'm prepared to hear it again, but i've NEVER seen him play well...i'll have to look at stats and take cnu fans word for him being a good player

barton - i was really disappointed by his play tonight...i was looking forward to seeing this wunderkid pg and he was just ok...i saw some flashes, and he sat a lot in the first half, so maybe he's under the weather or something, but he did not impress either

selden - i see why the cnu fans like him so much...he hustles, he can shoot, he works hard on defense - i agree with captj that he is not a pg, but he's a solid player...i'd like to have him on my team

lewis - he could be a BEAST if he worked harder to get the ball, directly or by rebounding it - all night he had a huge mis-match, being guarded primarily by shuford (6'2"/195...a little generous on the height, i might add) or radmanovic who is a bit soft defensively, yet he just didn't seem to be aggressive enough and didn't demand the ball...when he did get the ball, he was effective, but he doesn't go after rebounds agressively either - that was something i wanted to watch after looking at stats, and i see why his rebounding numbers are lower than you would expect from someone his size - he COULD be NASTY, though

blassingame - i REALLY like that kid - lewis could learn something from watching how hard he works on both ends of the floor and how aggressively he posts and goes after the ball - he's a bit raw, and he floated a couple of times (yeah, i know, he made an 18 footer, but he wouldn't be floating out there in MY system), but this kid could be a poty if he develops...how did a nc kid choose to go out of state to cnu and pass up all the d3 and d2 programs in state...interesting - i'd really like to have him on my team

bench - nobody on the cnu bench really impressed me - purdham did a nice job defensively on thomas in the first half, but passed up a couple of wide open 3's - riley had 13 in 16 minutes, so maybe i didn't pay close enough attention to him

lastly, coaching - i thought cj did a bad job tonight - i know he's a living,  breathing legend, but he had an off night - he zoned the monarchs when mc had radmanovic, thomas, lee and grant on the floor...not the lineup you want to play zone against, and he stayed in the zone long enough for the monarchs to hit 3 or 4 big threes - i also thought the fact that cnu was fouling when down 12 with 16 seconds left was a bit bush...maybe that wasn't his call, but he didn't seem upset that it happened
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2006, 10:09:25 PM
last one

cnu brought great fans...they were MUCH louder than the mc crowd (i can't call them fans...they didn't cheer) - i imagine that the freeman center gets pretty rowdy if they are packing another 1000 fans like the ones that were in attendence tonight

the atmosphere at mc has really been bad the entire time i've been a monarch fan, and i know this wasn't a good season for the monarchs, but this year was the worst i've ever seen - i'm going to call some people out - i might take some heat, but i don't care

the "cheerleaders" were pretty "blah" at every game i went to this year (at least the games they attended) - mc is supposed to have this incredible cheerleading program and there were FOUR female cheerleaders and four male partners at the game tonight...thats it...they didn't do a SINGLE CHEER the entire game - the mascot was not in attendance - how can i expect fans to get into games when the cheerleaders (who get scholarships, by the way) don't even get into the game? - there was no dance team (again, they get scholarships, too) - there wasn't a SINGLE entertaining thing outside of the basketball (even the guy who was chosen for the $1000 shootout at half time looked less than excited about being there) - there were only 23 home events that the cheerleaders would have had to attend this season (8 men's hoops, 11 women's hoops and 4 football games)...is it too much to ask of them to have the ENTIRE squad at each of these events?  maybe there is something i don't know...maybe the whole squad come down with the flu or something today, but they weren't even AT the piedmont game...

i miss the pep band...just FURTHER detracts from the atmosphere without them there as they were in previous years

the monarchs played hard today and got that #3 seed and a home game next week...i hope the fans will come out and LOUDLY support the team...i hope the cheerleaders will all be there CHEERING and performing routines...i hope the dance team will be there doing their thing...mostly i hope the monarchs continue to play well - i actually like the chances that the monarchs have of winning that bracket with a home game against a scrappy ferrum team and potentially averett in the freeman center - we all know how hard it is to beat a team 3 times in the same year, and i don't know if the monarchs could have pulled that off vs. greensboro, and i'm not sure that au can pull it off against mc (if they survive ferrum) - if this team gets into the finals, they CAN win it all and go dancing for the 3rd year in a row...that's a BIG if right now, though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 18, 2006, 10:12:09 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2006, 09:54:17 PM
i understand that tonight was just one game, but here are my thoughts on some cnu players based on what i saw today:


The sentence above was the most important part of your assessment of CNU.  I could be just as critical of your beloved Seth Thomas as you are of our guys since all I saw him do was go 3 for 17 in Newport News.  

I'm not too concerned.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2006, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 10:12:09 PMThe sentence above was the most important part of your assessment of CNU.  I could be just as critical of your beloved Seth Thomas as you are of our guys since all I saw him do was go 3 for 17 in Newport News.  

I'm not too concerned.

true, but in 4 appearances at the riddle center romeo has scored a total of 35 points (8.75 ppg), grabbed a total of 7 rebounds and had a total of 3 assists (to go with 3 t/o's) and had 4 steals - in three games at the freeman center (thomas didn't play against cnu as a frosh), thomas has scored 31 points (10.33 ppg), grabbed 23 rebounds (7.67 rpg), had 6 assists (vs. 5 t/o's) and had 6 steals...you've at least seen him play 2 solid games...my assesment of romeo is a little more critical because i've seen him play more than the others, BUT i've only seen the kid play 4 games in his entire career...i know that he's a very good player...i just haven't seen it
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:23:39 PM
You're obviously very full of yourself right now, narch.  Enjoy it while you can.  Just remember; no USASAC team has won in Newport News this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2006, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:23:39 PMYou're obviously very full of yourself right now, narch. Enjoy it while you can. Just remember; no USASAC team has won in Newport News this year.

since when does making observations about players and teams make me full of myself?  i've made similar observations after both conference games i attended this year (although not as in-depth, because ncwc has just 2 players worth talking about...and i broke them down pretty thoroughly...AND there are no ncwc posters, so who would really care?)- like your "random thoughts", it's one of the things that i've always done post-game (i do it in football, too)...could it be that you're a bit touchy because of a 2 game losing streak and the fact that i questioned one of your favorite captains, and you FEEL as though i'm full of myself?

yesterday you called someone a "loser" because they had the audacity to talk a little smack and today you say that i'm full of myself because i have the gall to call out romeo...you're better than that, j...don't stoop to that level

i'll admit i'm much happier when the monarchs win than i am when they lose, but i'm a realistic guy...the monarchs won't win another game if they don't play as hard and well as they did today, so i'm not counting on the monarchs even PLAYING in newport news, let alone winning, until i see the results from the tuesday games...but at least one usasac team WILL win in newport news on saturday :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2006, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 10:12:09 PMThe sentence above was the most important part of your assessment of CNU.  I could be just as critical of your beloved Seth Thomas as you are of our guys since all I saw him do was go 3 for 17 in Newport News.  

I'm not too concerned.

true, but in 4 appearances at the riddle center romeo has scored a total of 35 points (8.75 ppg), grabbed a total of 7 rebounds and had a total of 3 assists (to go with 3 t/o's) and had 4 steals - in three games at the freeman center (thomas didn't play against cnu as a frosh), thomas has scored 31 points (10.33 ppg), grabbed 23 rebounds (7.67 rpg), had 6 assists (vs. 5 t/o's) and had 6 steals...you've at least seen him play 2 solid games...my assesment of romeo is a little more critical because i've seen him play more than the others, BUT i've only seen the kid play 4 games in his entire career...i know that he's a very good player...i just haven't seen it

Did you think about this before you posted it narch?  You include Romeo's freshman year game when he scored 3 in just 5 minutes.  By doing so you've managed to dilute his ppg stat below Thomas'.  Exclude that 5 minute game and compare the three years when both were starters and Romeo has a higher ppg average than Thomas.  Either do that or give Thomas a goose egg for one year.  At least Romeo played as a freshman, and on a great team, I might add.  Another example of your selective statistics.  Thomas is a fine player, but I wouldn't trade him (and a player to be named later) for Romeo.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:56:13 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2006, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:23:39 PMYou're obviously very full of yourself right now, narch. Enjoy it while you can. Just remember; no USASAC team has won in Newport News this year.

since when does making observations about players and teams make me full of myself?  i've made similar observations after both conference games i attended this year (although not as in-depth, because ncwc has just 2 players worth talking about...and i broke them down pretty thoroughly...AND there are no ncwc posters, so who would really care?)- like your "random thoughts", it's one of the things that i've always done post-game (i do it in football, too)...could it be that you're a bit touchy because of a 2 game losing streak and the fact that i questioned one of your favorite captains, and you FEEL as though i'm full of myself?

yesterday you called someone a "loser" because they had the audacity to talk a little smack and today you say that i'm full of myself because i have the gall to call out romeo...you're better than that, j...don't stoop to that level

i'll admit i'm much happier when the monarchs win than i am when they lose, but i'm a realistic guy...the monarchs won't win another game if they don't play as hard and well as they did today, so i'm not counting on the monarchs even PLAYING in newport news, let alone winning, until i see the results from the tuesday games...but at least one usasac team WILL win in newport news on saturday :)

Oh, I'M a bit touchy?  All I said was that you're full of yourself.  Big deal; you SHOULD be full of yourself since your guys just won a big game.  I think you're the one that's being a little sensitive.  Enjoy the moment and relax.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:59:24 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2006, 11:41:39 PM
at least one usasac team WILL win in newport news on saturday :)

I like this one... since in one of the semis there will be two teams other than the Captains playing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2006, 11:59:50 PM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:47:26 PMYou include Romeo's freshman year game when he scored 3 in just 5 minutes.  By doing so you've managed to dilute his ppg stat below Thomas'.

good point, although i didn't even look at minutes in that game...let's pretend it didn't happen...so romeo had 32 points in 3 games to thomas' 31 points in 3 games, but you'll also have to take away one of his 3 assists (and 0 t/o's) and 1 of his 4 steals

here is the comparative box score for our favorite players on the road against one another - format = total (per game)

romeo - 32 points (10.67), 7 reb (2.33), 2 assists (.67), 3 t/o's (1), 3 steals (1)
thomas - 31 points (10.33), 23 reb (7.67), 6 assists (2), 5 to's (1.67), 6 steals (2)


nothing selective about these stats, especially when raw numbers are compared - it seems to me that STATISTICALLY, thomas has looked better to cnu fans who saw him play at the freeman center than romeo has looked to monarch fans who saw him play at the riddle center
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2006, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:56:13 PMOh, I'M a bit touchy?  All I said was that you're full of yourself. 

maybe i am a bit touchy, but i didn't realize being told that you're "full of yourself" was actually a compliment...my entire life i thought that statement was somewhat derogatory and was meant to belittle someone...i guess i've learned something new today...
or have i ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 19, 2006, 12:55:08 AM
blassingame - i REALLY like that kid - lewis could learn something from watching how hard he works on both ends of the floor and how aggressively he posts and goes after the ball - he's a bit raw, and he floated a couple of times (yeah, i know, he made an 18 footer, but he wouldn't be floating out there in MY system), but this kid could be a poty if he develops...how did a nc kid choose to go out of state to cnu and pass up all the d3 and d2 programs in state...interesting - i'd really like to have him on my team

Narch- Blasingame was born there, but he went to high school at Grafton High in Yorktown, VA a team in the same district as Romeo's Tabb High. So yes he was born in NC, but he has lived in VA for quite sometime

PS Cute kids you got there! Other than your annoying cheering, you werent that bad!! I say annoying only because we were gettin it handed to us and I didnt want to hear anyone rubbing it in!!

Since I just got home at 1245 am. Im going to wait and process this entire weekend's performance and post tomorrow. Narch, I expect to see your PVRs too!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 19, 2006, 01:47:57 AM
Narch - interesting comments. I agree with your assessment on Lewis 100%. If Davon sat a lot, something must have been wrong. I hope whatever it is, it passes by next Saturday. As far as Romeo is concerned, he is a good player and I understand your comments. If you've only seen him playing down there, and he didn't play well, you're scratching your head as to where the 1,000 points came from.

Captj gets uptight when CNU loses. I usually exit the Freeman a different way when CNU loses at home. Captj is doing Bobby Knight impressions.  ;D

Back to what I was saying all year -- here's some facts for you...CNU finished 18-7......3-5 when not at home (hint hint CJ!!!)...0-3 against ranked teams...15-2 at home with non conference wins against....SoVa, Maryland Bible, and The Golden Girls. With a relatively weak conference, all these home games against HS JV teams does not prepare the team for what is around the corner. SHOULD CNU win the tournament....they will not go far in the NCAA unless they get a home game and a mid-level opponent. If we hit the road, we lose.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 19, 2006, 01:50:19 AM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2006, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:56:13 PMOh, I'M a bit touchy?  All I said was that you're full of yourself. 

maybe i am a bit touchy, but i didn't realize being told that you're "full of yourself" was actually a compliment...my entire life i thought that statement was somewhat derogatory and was meant to belittle someone...i guess i've learned something new today...
or have i ???

It was NOT a compliment... but it wasn't derogatory either.  It was just an observation that you seemed very full of yourself, or very swollen with pride, etc., etc.  I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2006, 02:36:51 AM
Quote from: captj on February 19, 2006, 01:50:19 AM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2006, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: captj on February 18, 2006, 11:56:13 PMOh, I'M a bit touchy?  All I said was that you're full of yourself. 

maybe i am a bit touchy, but i didn't realize being told that you're "full of yourself" was actually a compliment...my entire life i thought that statement was somewhat derogatory and was meant to belittle someone...i guess i've learned something new today...
or have i ???

It was NOT a compliment... but it wasn't derogatory either.  It was just an observation that you seemed very full of yourself, or very swollen with pride, etc., etc.  I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

This is a great example as to why words and their proper use are still important. "Full of yourself" is not the same as "proud," captj.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 19, 2006, 09:18:44 AM
OMG!   And he cleared off all my karma points too!!!   I am just so full of myself right now I could burst!!!

Lord Coleman strikes again.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2006, 11:17:00 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 19, 2006, 12:55:08 AMPS Cute kids you got there! Other than your annoying cheering, you werent that bad!! I say annoying only because we were gettin it handed to us and I didnt want to hear anyone rubbing it in!!

thanks, i think they're cute, too, but i'm a bit biased...i try not to be annoying, but it's difficult for me (i am MUCH better than i used to be, though)...my wife HATES going to games with me and she let me know exactly how annoying she thought i was the entire ride home :)...i've gotta work on that, i guess

i'm going to the duke game today, so pvr might have to wait until monday or tuesday...i'll get it done before mid-week, though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2006, 11:21:11 AM
captj - i've given you a karma point to start you back on the road toward good karma...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: captj on February 19, 2006, 11:39:06 AM
Thanks, narch, but I'm not going to need it.  Pat obviously doesn't want me playing in his sandbox, so I'll just take my toys and go home.  He's had it in for me for years because I've had the audacity to call him out for his hostile treatment of posters, and we've just seen another example of that.  I'm just not going to take it anymore.  See you at the games, guys.  I'll be getting my hoops info from the CNU and conference websites from now on.  Keep on alienating your patrons, Pat.  That's a sure-fire formula for success.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 19, 2006, 02:03:54 PM
To sum up the entire weekend in one word, Id have to use.....SUCKED!! No I shouldnt say that, maybe passive is a better word. At GC, we shot the ball real well but turned the ball over way too many times the Im sure eventually led to one of Steve Berg's 8 three-balls! I think we used four different guys on him and just couldnt stop him. We'd get the lead down two or three and we'd shoot ourselves in the foot. I just read Sat's paper and read CJ's post-game comments where he said we made silly errors, that was right on. I think part of this team's problem again goes back to the lack of real road non-conference games. Two neutral site games where there may have been 75 total people there on both days doesnt count. I know they say they are having trouble finding games on the road, but they need to try even harder to get this team some legit road games. Sure next year we are supposed to go to VA Wesleyan and Frostburg, one of those places is a hostile environtment, the other, not so hostile.

On Sunday, it looked liked we never passed the ball into the post before. Too many Donta Selden and Davon Barton "soft" passes into the post, not the crisp passes we are used to seeing at home. Granted Korey scored 17 points, but he had TWO FREAKIN REBOUNDS!! Panny waste, go strong to the hole and grab a damn rebound once in a while instead of shooting your patented 18-foot fall-away jumpers! Be strong, use that 6-7 frame and go hard to the rack.

Ugly weekend, just ugly. They looked like a team that was saying to themselves, well, we already wrapped up the No. 1 seed, soooo, lets go out there and play passive so we dont hurt ourselves for the tournament instead of playing CNU basketball like they did during their 8-game winning streak.

Wait for it, Im not done yet!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 19, 2006, 02:10:49 PM
The one guy I thought played like I know he's capable of this weekend was Blasingame. He had 16 points and 14 boards and a couple swats at Methodist and added 10 and 8 and four blocks at at Greensboro. I also thought Riley played well, even tho he must have dropped five passes from the perimeter in the post at Methodist.

Sure Romeo and Donta scored in double figures, and Donta ran around like a chicked with his head cut off as he normally does, but no one stepped up and made the big defensive stop when they needed it or hit the big three-ball on back to back possessions to cut into a lead. Its almost like they didnt care. Its like they were going thru the motions to get thru the weekend as quickly as possible and head home to get ready for the tournament.

They better hope they get their act together before Friday, because GC or NCW are waiting on the horizon and I dont want them to lose their first game in the conference tourny for the third straight year. Id love to see them win the tourny and get to the dance, but I can almost guarantee you with the two losses this weekend, which I think is the third time either in a row or out of the last four or five years they have lost both on that swing, they will be on the road in the NCAA's, wether its in a sub-regional at VWC or where ever, they are hitting the road and I just hope we see a completely different team then I saw this weekend come out and play in the USA South Conference Tourny.

Narch, btw, All-Conference awards come out Wednesday I think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on February 19, 2006, 04:18:07 PM
Saw the Monarchs friday vs. Shanandoah. Narch I should have told you I was coming to town :-X. It was great to see those guys play again and to see them have some success.  I thought it was an ugly game, but the  monarchs found a way to win.  I think Grant and Thomas was clearly the best talents on the court but for some reason wasn't looking to be aggressive with the ball.  After years of being options 2 and 3 it looked liked they settled into the role of letting someone else make the big plays.  It sounds like both came out more aggressive on saturday and hopefully will put this team on their shoulders and carry them to the NCAA tournament.  I haven't seen the rest of the league, but I thought Shanandoah was really bad. I couldn't identify who was supposed to be their best players and don't know how they won any games this season.

I wish the monarchs the best and hope these couple of wins carries them to a post season run.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2006, 08:35:56 PM
What a ****ty way to end the regular season, guys.  Talk about complacent....what a joke!  IF CNU should win the tournament, they can kiss a decent seed goodbye.  Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm being too critical, that's just too damn bad.  I usually end all of my posts with a GO CAPS, but I'm just not in the mood.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 19, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
Quote from: captj on February 19, 2006, 11:39:06 AM
  I'll be getting my hoops info from the CNU and conference websites from now on.  Keep on alienating your patrons, Pat.  That's a sure-fire formula for success.

Same here! Pat Coleman contributes NOTHING to the posts on this board other than to satisfy his Napolean Syndrome by bullying people and and actually fueling fires when the posters themselves were ok with each other. I'm postive Narch and Captj were ok with what they posted. Then the guy with short man's disease puts his 2 cents worth in, and I WILL add - in a situation that did not violate any TOS I'm aware of (I'm sure Napoleam Coleman will interpret a TOS violation somewhere). 

Narch - I was fortunate enough to get to exchange ideas with you. I'm going to miss it. But when Coleman pulled Captj's Karma points and started messing around with him for no apparantly valid reason - well I just remember a recent post I made to Pat -Absolutely nothing we say on this board is necessary. It WAS a fun forum to exhange ideas, humor and poke fun at each other. It's too bad Pat could not take a good product such as d3hoops and not get "full of himself" and start taking this WAY too seriously. No doubt he puts tons of effort into it. But he fails to realize we are all individuals and do not always agree with, nor do we act the same way, as he does.

Read this post now, fellas - I'm sure Lord Coleman will not let it stay...it's too critical and his ego can't take it. The journalism professional will easily do the one thing his profession despises - censureship!

It's a shame Pat - you have something good going on. But I have to admit, probably 95% of your posts on this board were non hoops related and not necessary. Keep alienating long term members.

I'm taking my marbles and going over to Captj's sandbox!

Narch and Goose - email me if you wanna chat. I'll send you one soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2006, 09:15:45 PM
back from watching jj set the duke scoring record...that dude is AMAZING - i was very critical of him early in his duke career because he was nothing more than a shooter, but he's got it ALL offensively, and he really works hard defensively in addition to being the purest shooter i've ever seen - WOW - cameron really ERUPTED when he hit that 3 to set the record

ok, on to the real issue at hand...captj, cnu85...please don't leave, especially for something like this - you guys are a big part of what makes this board fun - swallow your pride a bit, and come back to us - even if you have to use new handles...yeah, that's the ticket...come back as someone new, reinvent your d3sports persona - of course, captj will have to find something other than "random thoughts" for his musings...maybe "arbitrary thoughts"...and '85, maybe you can come back as cnu1985...that's sure to fool all of the greensboro posters :) - seriously, guys, you KNOW that you're going to lurk...might as well post, no?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnu85 on February 19, 2006, 09:16:17 PM
2 entries found for full of oneself.
Main Entry:   self-assured
Part of Speech:   adjective
Definition:   self-confident
Synonyms:   cocky, confident, full of oneself, secure, sure of oneself
Antonyms:   diffident, unsure
Source:   Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Main Entry:   self-satisfied
Part of Speech:   adjective 2
Definition:   pleased with oneself
Synonyms:   arrogant, bigheaded, full of oneself, proud, smug
Antonyms:   self-deprecating
Source:   Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

final post...looks like to me (and Roget's) that Full of Oneself and Proud are synonyms!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: captj on February 19, 2006, 11:39:06 AM
Thanks, narch, but I'm not going to need it.  Pat obviously doesn't want me playing in his sandbox, so I'll just take my toys and go home.

What a moron. I only smited him once, I was not coming back every 18 hours to smite him again.

If he can't handle his lack of command of the language then I am not worried about him leaving. Sheesh...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 12:38:11 AM
Hmm -- ok, obviously the CNU fans are a little sensitive this week.

Quote from: cnu85 on February 19, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
the posters themselves were ok with each other.

Much like "eh ... just call me kid" and I were on more than one occasion in 2004 when you inserted yourself into the ODAC football board as a peacemaker when none was necessary. Listen, I am not apologizing for making one post on a subject that had two separate posts with shouting and another with a bunch of question marks. That doesn't read as "ok with each other" to me. If J wants to fly off the handle and leave in a huff, I am not going to care otherwise.

Quote from: cnu85 on February 19, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
But when Coleman pulled Captj's Karma points

Didn't happen. I believe he had three when I got here. I have no idea what he had when he left in a huff (because he deleted himsef). Remember, anyone with 200 posts can do it.

Quote from: cnu85 on February 19, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
and started messing around with him for no apparantly valid reason

One post! Give me a break!

Quote from: cnu85 on February 19, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
It's a shame Pat - you have something good going on. But I have to admit, probably 95% of your posts on this board were non hoops related and not necessary. Keep alienating long term members.

I'm sorry if it bothers you that I post on this board. I thought it was OK for me to do so.

If you guys want to play conspiracy theory, then hey, be my guest. But you make yourself look foolish for the assumption.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 20, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?! You know we still have the USA South tourny. Although if we lose on Friday, I may have to become a 12 year old myself.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 20, 2006, 11:53:05 AM
It appears Im all by my lonesome now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 20, 2006, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?!

That would be Greensboro College and Methodist College
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 20, 2006, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 20, 2006, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?!

That would be Greensboro College and Methodist College

Sorry leroy boy, I dont think that's the correct answer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2006, 02:54:12 PM
pat, i appreciate your intervention when you deem it necessary...as a moderator, that's your job, and there will always be some judgement calls - although i personally don't think it was necessary in this case (captj and i are always cool with each other, despite how it may look on the screen), i appreciate your right as the provider of this forum to do what you think is appropriate to keep these boards running smooth and free of controversy

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 12:20:33 AMWhat a moron.

i will say, however, that i feel responses like this are unwarranted and unnecessary...you've simply stooped to the same level of behavior you tried to stop earlier

i'm feeling a lot of guilt in this situation, too - it was my reaction (perhaps over-reaction) to captj's post that got this all started...

i do, however, agree that it's a bit foolish of both captj and cnu85 to leave this forum, especially after reading your explanation of the situation re: the karma points (as an aside...people sure do get caught up in those things, don't they...i don't get it?) - i, for one, hope they will rejoin this community so that i don't have to put up with goose's drivel :) (it's a joke goose...just poking a little fun...please don't get upset)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:12:36 PM
here it is...pvr for the top 20 players in the league (minimum 9 conference games played)

PVR = (ppg + rpg + spg)1.5 + (apg + bpg)2 - (topg)1.5

PLAYER-SCHOOLPOINTS/GRPG    STEALSASST/G   BLOCKSTO'S  PVR
1st 5
LAWRENCE - SU14.813.3150.5153643.03
BERG - GC   19.35.7153.213241.94
HALL-NCWC21.34   223.925841.58
THOMAS - MC14.27.3152.663036.58
BLASINGAME - CNU9.810.250.8452836.23
2nd 5   
ARRINGTON - NCWC21.43.37113935.22
BARTON - CNU13.32.7245.804333.23
GRANT - MC12.14.8123.813020.87
DELEON - AU9.59.1111.372330.17
RAY - FC9.26.9130.811828.43
3rd 5   
FAWEHINMI - SU11.25.9251.843728.42
MCDUFFIE - GC11.52.3153.833426.43
ROMEO - CNU13.82.1121.121426.13
SELDEN - CNU12.43.8162.414226.02
MCDANIEL - AU10.83151.841524.97
4th 5
FULLER - FC10.83.425234423.43
WILLIAMS - AU9.92.1133.613023.24
LEE - MC10.72.711212622.39
STEVENSON - AU7.21.8104.902221.8
RADMANOVIC - MC9.84.21131621.63

please keep in mind, this is NOT my predictions for all-conference nor is it my picks for all conference...just a statistical analysis of some of the top players in the league

to qualify, a player must have played a minimum of 9 conference games (this left out newman from gc and a player from fc) and currently be on the team roster (sorry onyie) - i tallied stats for anyone whose average was nearing double figures in ppg or rpg or who was among the league leaders in any of the major statistical categories (ppg, rpg, apg, steals, blocks)

if you don't like my analysis...do your own :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
here are my all-conference predictions (or perdictions, in honor of cnu85)...this is how i think the voting will turn out

1st team
lawrence, hall, berg, thomas, romeo

it will be tough to leave the leading scorer (arrington) in the conf off the first team, but i don't think he'll get the nod

2nd team
arrington, blasingame, grant, barton, williams

hon mention
deleon, mcduffie, selden, mcdaniel, fuller

poty
tough choice, but i think the coaches/sid's will vote hall

foty
feeling bad for leaving the leading scorere in the conf off the 1st team, the coaches/sid's will vote for arrington

coty
tough call...i think cj will get the nod since allen won the coty last year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:44:10 PM
here is my all conference team...

1st team
lawrence, hall, berg, thomas, blasingame

i left romeo off in hopes that captj would come back to argue his absence from my first team...and because i thought blasingame was a better player than romeo...

2nd team
romeo, arrington, grant, deleon, barton

2 captains here...barton's assist numbers can't be ignored, despite a tough day in fayetteville on saturday

hon mention
williams, mcduffie, selden, ray, fawehinmi

poty
....not quite ready yet...i'm NOT choosing hall, though

foty
blasingame

coty
allen...did as much with less talent than cj

scholar-athlete of the year
ok, so this isn't a true category but it SHOULD be...and is in the odac (this is d3 basketball, after all)...eugene grant...only usasac player on the cosida academic all-region team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 20, 2006, 06:32:36 PM
Of course, Im right in the middle of making dinner and I get all this good stuff!! Dont worry Narch, I caught your joke!! No worries!!  Ill be back post-dinner to comment!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 20, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
Hey guys, Newman was not included in the PVR on the web site because he's played just 7 games to injury against Averett. His PVR would be 28.5. Should be **at least** hon. mention
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 20, 2006, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 20, 2006, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?!

That would be Greensboro College and Methodist College

Sorry leroy boy, I dont think that's the correct answer.

Hey Goose I do belive that is the right awnser to your question. They are mad that the took a 500 mi trip and got beat in both games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2006, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 20, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
Hey guys, Newman was not included in the PVR on the web site because he's played just 7 games to injury against Averett. His PVR would be 28.5. Should be **at least** hon. mention

he played in just over 1/2 of the conference games for gc...he didn't have a hand in the outcome of 5 games - to me, you've got to play in the vast majority of your teams conference games to be all conference - just like berg IS clearly eligible to be an all-conf player because he played every conference game, newman isn't, in my book
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2006, 10:12:03 PM
i'm still working on poty - i'm considering 6 players...my 5 first team picks and romeo (for you, captj) - i'm looking at 3 "formulas" to help me determine the poty

1. - i saw this on the odac board last year...take each player's statistical ranking in each of the categories tracked by the conference - in the usasac, there are 8 main categories, and 15 "leaders" per category (except scoring...30 leaders listed) - you give each player points based on their rank...1st=15 pts, 2nd=14 pts, 3rd=13 pts, etc. - the player with the highest cumulative rank is your statistical leader - i like this because it measures a player's ability to do a little of everything...there are a few players who are ranked in the top 15 in almost every category

2. - a coach who reads this board frequently sent me the formula used by his team...i'm playing around with it because it's a little more cumbersome than some of the other formulas i've used, but it has potential - this formula also charts things like deflected passes and charges taken...i'd love to be able to do the same, but the usasac doesn't consider them official stats - the other problem i have with this formula is that it uses per minute stats, and i'm not a fan of that at all - if a guy knows he's only going to play 18-20 minutes, he's going to play very differently than he would if he knows he'll play 35-38 minutes...he doesn't have to pace himself and he doesn't have to deal with playing through fatigue

3. - i'm going to go with my gut...this is a much more difficult decision than it's been in quite some time to me
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 20, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 20, 2006, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 20, 2006, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?!

That would be Greensboro College and Methodist College

Sorry leroy boy, I dont think that's the correct answer.

Hey Goose I do belive that is the right awnser to your question. They are mad that the took a 500 mi trip and got beat in both games.

Ya Im not quite sure its 500 miles to your crappy gym. Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.

I don't think they would have flown off the handle in response to one little post if CNU had split or swept the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 20, 2006, 11:05:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2006, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 10:35:24 PM
Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.

I don't think they would have flown off the handle in response to one little post if CNU had split or swept the weekend.

I agree with you, I dont think they would have either.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 20, 2006, 11:17:21 PM


Ya Im not quite sure its 500 miles to your crappy gym. Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.
Quote


dont hate just appreciate. it might not be the best in the world but we still call it home and we PROTECT our sanctuary
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 20, 2006, 11:20:38 PM
Quote from: narch on February 20, 2006, 10:12:03 PM
i'm looking at 3 "formulas" to help me determine the poty

My PVR is as follows....

Assist +1.7
Steal +1.3
Point +1
O Reb +1
D Reb +0.7
Block +0.7
TO -1.3
Miss FG -0.8
Miss FT -0.5

Here are results....

1. Berg GC- 239.8
2. Lawrence SU- 234.9
3. Barton CNU- 227.8
4. Thomas MC- 219.6
5. Hall NCW- 214.9
6. Blasingame CNU- 194.7
7. Grant MC- 175.5
8. Deleon AU- 173.4
9. Ray FC- 159.6
10. Arrington NCW- 157.7
11. Romeo CNU- 156.9
12. Seldon CNU- 150.6
13. Stevenson AU- 148.9
14. Fawehinmi SU- 146.4
15. McDuffie GC- 145.6
16. Williams AU- 137.9
17. McDaniel AU- 132.1
18. Lewis CNU- 116.1
19. Fuller FC- 115.3
20. Radmonovic MC- 106
21. Newman GC- 87.1

Three interesting things...

1. Hall and Arrington are low (5 and 10) because this PVR takes away points for missed shots and awards overall production more.
2. Deleon and Ray in top 10.  Not sure what to think of that?  
3. Fuller and Fawehinmi may get on the team due to the MLB rule of every team gets someone, but on this PVR are no where close.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 08:17:42 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 20, 2006, 11:17:21 PMdont hate just appreciate. it might not be the best in the world but we still call it home and we PROTECT our sanctuary

...except against the monarchs :)

leroy...i'm gonna play with your pvr...it's actually similar to the one that i was sent by the coach who reads this board frequently

why would an assist be just +1.7 (instead of +2) as every assist leads to at least 2 points?  similarly, why wouldn't blocks be worth more as they directly prevent points?  why would missed fg's be a larger deduction than missed ft's...there is nobody guarding you at the ft line - i know a lot of coaches value offensive rebounds much more than defensive rebounds, but i've never really understood that rationale, either...why are they more valuable in your formula?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 21, 2006, 09:29:30 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 20, 2006, 11:17:21 PM


Ya Im not quite sure its 500 miles to your crappy gym. Maybe 500 miles combined, sure I might give you that, but I dont think that's the reason 85 and captj left the post up board.
Quote


dont hate just appreciate. it might not be the best in the world but we still call it home and we PROTECT our sanctuary

Ya we dont protect our sanctuary either. So easy to come into our building and get a win too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 21, 2006, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: narch on February 21, 2006, 08:17:42 AMleroy...i'm gonna play with your pvr...

1.  The main thing that I like about the numbers is that they balance out PG, Wings, and Posts.  As you can see by the All-Conference PVR standings it is pretty divided (posts may still be up a little high, if they rebound and shoot a good %).

2.  I'm not sure I see why an assist should equal 2 points because on every assit their is two points.  Is one more valuabel than the other.  I guess the assist sometimes is more valuable and sometimes the score is more valuable?   

3.  As for blocks, I don't think they directly take away points.  How many of those shots go in.  Also, blocks are my least favorite stat for a couple of reasons.  One being that they are the least accurate stat (very hard stat for SIDS to see and record) and the other being that there are so few and only a few players actually have even a substantial amount of them.  I'm really not sure if it is worth having them as an official stat to be quite honest.

4.  Rebounds- you might be right, they maybe should be the same.  I like them seperate for no other reason than to make my formula more complex.  An O reb does give the team another possesion which is why people likely value them more. 


Let me know of different values.  I'd like to see them applied to the A-Conf. stats to see how they turn out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 21, 2006, 10:47:26 AM
oh and missed FG to FT-

if they were equal then a player who gets to the line would be punished for missed FT's.  I think their is value for gettign to the line (as long as you shoot a decent percentage).  Using my value here is what you would score if based on your  FT%....

80% shooter- 4-5=3.5 pts     8-10=7 pts
60% shooter- 3-5=1 pt          6-10=4 pts
40% shooter- 2-5=0.5 pts     4-10=1 pt
20% shooter- 1-5=-1 pt         2-10=-2 pts

As you can see at the same % a player is valued for his ability to get to the line, not just punished for missed FT's.  I think this is a good combination of valueing % with attempts.

Maybe my numbers could be a little more harsh on misses, but FT% is so ridiculously low.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2006, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 20, 2006, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 20, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Ok, who tinkled in all the CNU fans cornflakes this week?!?!

That would be Greensboro College and Methodist College

You're absolutely right, leroy.  It's pretty tough to accept losing back to back games to sub .500 teams who are at best, mediocre.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2006, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 20, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
Hey guys, Newman was not included in the PVR on the web site because he's played just 7 games to injury against Averett. His PVR would be 28.5. Should be **at least** hon. mention

Newman?  Who's next, George Castanza?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: swish3 on February 21, 2006, 12:10:03 PMYou're absolutely right, leroy.  It's pretty tough to accept losing back to back games to sub .500 teams who are at best, mediocre.

what does that say about cnu...all 3 of their conference losses came to sub .500 teams who are, at best, mediocre...could it be that cnu is maybe, at best, mediocre?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 21, 2006, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: swish3 on February 21, 2006, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on February 20, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
Hey guys, Newman was not included in the PVR on the web site because he's played just 7 games to injury against Averett. His PVR would be 28.5. Should be **at least** hon. mention

Newman?  Who's next, George Castanza?

Costanza's PVR would be pretty low since he is a "chucker".  His friend Jimmy (that sells the jump training shoes) is pretty good though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 21, 2006, 02:29:48 PM
Ok lets not go there about records!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 04:58:33 PM
i'm ready to reveal my poty....but first, here is the chart that i used which shows each of my "candidates" and their rank in the 8 major statistical categories - here is how this chart works - a #1 ranking gets a player 15 points, a #2 ranking gets 14 points, etc. - no ranking (NR) gets a player 0 points - the player with the most rank points wins!

PLAYERPPGRPGFG%   ASSTFT%STEALS3PT%BLOCKSRANK PTS
THOMAS568889101361
BERG39127793NR60
LAWRENCE419NR149NR356
BLASINGAMENR2   2NR11NRNR148
ROMEO6NR10NR1NR1NR46
HALL2NRNR356NRNR38

in the interest of full-disclosure, seth thomas actually doesn't show up in the conference ft% statistic...he was one made ft short of qualifying...i inserted him into the rankings and gave him points because i just couldn't see the justification for him getting 0 points for ft% when blasingame and lawrence (who both shot much lower %) did over 1 ft...plus i know that my "selective statistics" drive captj crazy, and thought he might decide to re-post out of anger over this practice - to even this out, i did the same for all other statistics which have a minimum...nobody else benefitted as they still fell outside of the top 15 - i think everyone will agree this is "fair", and if you don't...oh well, it's my analysis...do your own :)

and now...my usasac player of the year

steve berg

i wanted to vote for thomas (i'm a homer at heart, and he does stuff the stat sheet), but every analysis i did said berg over thomas
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 21, 2006, 02:29:48 PM
Ok lets not go there about records!!

i've updated home conference records for all teams over the last 6 seasons

cnu 34-5
mc 31- 8
ncwc 26-13
gc 25-14
su 23-16
au 18-21
fc 14-25

so while gc does "PROTECT their sanctuary", others in the conference do it better :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 08:26:50 PM
monarchs up 36-33 at the half...a little too close for my comfort level

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 21, 2006, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: narch on February 21, 2006, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: swish3 on February 21, 2006, 12:10:03 PMYou're absolutely right, leroy.  It's pretty tough to accept losing back to back games to sub .500 teams who are at best, mediocre.

what does that say about cnu...all 3 of their conference losses came to sub .500 teams who are, at best, mediocre...could it be that cnu is maybe, at best, mediocre?

Well, since CNU finished higher than those three teams, they'd have to be slightly better than mediocre, right?  I honestly think CNU's the best team in the conference, although it may not be by much.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 09:46:31 PM
monarchs win 68-56 and get averett @ the freeman center...maybe mc can become the first usasac team to win in newport news this year

gullett...how'd the "protecting the sanctuary" go tonight?...hint for those who haven't seen the scoreboard...ncwc won @ gc - it's been nice playing - i told you that i would believe gc was a contender when i saw it...i didn't, but there's always next year, right :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 09:53:48 PM
Quote from: swish3 on February 21, 2006, 08:53:06 PMWell, since CNU finished higher than those three teams, they'd have to be slightly better than mediocre, right?  I honestly think CNU's the best team in the conference, although it may not be by much.

GO CAPS!

the beauty is...we'll find out - if cnu doesn't win the usasac tourney on their own floor, i'll have a hard time saying they were the best in the conference, and they have a 2nd round opponent that is as scary athletic as any team i've seen in a while...should be 3 great games this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2006, 10:04:31 PM
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2005-06%20Stats/mcm0221.htm) - don't look now, but michael mcevoy is playing his backside off - 13 pts, 6 reb (4 offensive) and 6 blocks...nice night - thomas with 16/5 and 6 assists - monarchs don't shoot phenomenally well, esp from 3, but the tourney is all about "survive and advance" basketball...who cares if its pretty
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 21, 2006, 10:42:50 PM
I had two out of three pegged. I thought for sure with the way G'boro was playing they would have won tonight. But it will be the Bishops here at 6 pm on Friday. Looking forward to a long day of bball!  All-Conference comes out tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ISoar on February 22, 2006, 12:03:59 AM
The postseason is the only season that counts.
Looks like we could be pulling things together at the right time. 

Are the Monarchs getting a little swagger back? 


Well I know I'm fired up.
Are we big and bad again?
Can we talk our trash again?
I guess the real question is, can we back it up?

Good Luck Fellas.


sorry if this post doesnt make much sense, I'm on two hrs of sleep and ive been staring at code for the last four hours. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 22, 2006, 10:27:48 AM
Awards should be released soon. Im guessing they will be up before lunch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 22, 2006, 11:06:50 AM
Here are your all conference awards.

Player of the Year                                                                 
Steve Berg - Greensboro                                                             

Rookie of the Year                                                                 
Davon Barton - Christopher Newport                                                             

Coach of the Year                                                                   
C.J. Woollum - Christopher Newport                                                             

The 2006 USA South Men's Basketball All-Conference Teams follow:

First Team 
Steve Berg - Greensboro
Lenny Hall - N.C. Wesleyan
Jeremiah Lawrence - Shenandoah
Seth Thomas - Methodist
Sterling Williams - Averett

Second Team
Jarmel Arrington - N.C. Wesleyan
Davon Barton - Christopher Newport
Eugene Grant - Methodist
Cory McDaniel - Averett
Jeremy Romeo - Christopher Newpor

Honorable Mention
Mark Blasingame - Christopher Newport
Mouktar Fawehinmi - Shenandoah
Korey Lewis - Christopher Newport
James Newman - Greensboro
Donta Selden - Christopher Newport

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2006, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
here are my all-conference predictions (or perdictions, in honor of cnu85)...this is how i think the voting will turn out

1st team
lawrence, hall, berg, thomas, romeo
i missed on romeo...i really thought the "reputation" factor would get him a first team nod from the voters
Quote from: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
2nd team
arrington, blasingame, grant, barton, williams
i was wrong on williams/romeo and blasingame...mcdaniel getting the nod over blasingame is curious to me, especially when you consider the rebounds and blocks for blasingame...mcdaniel did nothing spectacular and only led his OWN team in two major statistical categories (scoring and steals...both by narrow margins) - blasingame was in the top 2 in 3 major statistical categories in the conference (blocks, fg%, rpg)...that's ok, though...art hatch was never an all-conference player, but he's in the top 10 all-time in division III in blocks and one of the monarchs all-time leading rebounders...you don't have to be recognized as an all-conference performer to be very good :)

Quote from: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
hon mention
deleon, mcduffie, selden, mcdaniel, fuller
the only one i got right here was selden...i've already covered blasingame (he should have been a 2nd teamer) - lewis doesn't deserve hm...he doesn't rebound enough for a post (4.6 rpg)...eugene grant averaged more rpg, and he's a pg/2g - deleon averaged just under 1 ppg less than lewis, but almost 5 rpg more...he was more deserving - newman...he played in just 58% of the conference games...how can he be an all-conference honoree when there are a lot of guys with similar numbers (including his own teammate, mcduffie) who played all 12 of their teams games? - fawehinmi played on a team that won one conference game, and his numbers were unspectacular...deleon put up better overall numbers than him, as well (and his team won 9 conference games) - i think mcduffie and deleon should have been hm over newman and lewis

Quote from: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
poty
tough choice, but i think the coaches/sid's will vote hall
wow...i thought the voters would be swayed by the gaudy scoring and assist numbers and look past some of the statistical shortcomings...good selection

Quote from: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
foty
feeling bad for leaving the leading scorere in the conf off the 1st team, the coaches/sid's will vote for arrington
barton is a good choice, even though he didn't look NEARLY as impressive as arrington in fayetteville...i would have been ok either way here

Quote from: narch on February 20, 2006, 03:35:38 PM
coty
tough call...i think cj will get the nod since allen won the coty last year
looking at the all-conference selections how did cj win over allen? - cj's ENTIRE starting 5 were all-conference players, au had just 2 all-conference players and they finished with the same record...clearly coach allen did as much with less talent, but he did win the award last year, so i'm sure that had some part in the selection...

so - i was right on 4/5 of the first team, 3/5 of the second team, 1/5 of the hm and 12/15 of the total all-conf players, and i was right on 1/3 of the awards...not the best perdictions (i know you're lurking '85) i've ever made...don't take me to vegas if you want to come home with your money :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 22, 2006, 12:21:33 PM
Would you have been more assertive about Woollum for COY had they not gotten swept this weekend? I remember a post you wrote earlier about CJ for COY in stone. Just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2006, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 22, 2006, 12:21:33 PM
Would you have been more assertive about Woollum for COY had they not gotten swept this weekend? I remember a post you wrote earlier about CJ for COY in stone. Just curious.

absolutely...because they would have finished 11-1 in conference and in sole posession of 1st place with 5 all-conference players instead of 9-3 and co-champions with 5 all-conference players - honestly, i didn't think cnu would lay an egg over the final weekend the way they did when i wrote that
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2006, 02:05:20 PM
fayeteville observer game story (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=227008)...i hope mcevoy doesn't think he's a 3 point marksman from here on out...he needs to stay in the paint and collect rebounds and alter shots...if he wants to step out, make it 12-15 feet instead of 21'9" (or whatever the 3 point line is)

one downside of the new conference tourney format...$3 admission seemed to prevent folks from coming to the game - i heard many students didn't realize they had to pay to get in...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 22, 2006, 02:21:52 PM
Quote from: narch on February 22, 2006, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 22, 2006, 12:21:33 PM
Would you have been more assertive about Woollum for COY had they not gotten swept this weekend? I remember a post you wrote earlier about CJ for COY in stone. Just curious.

absolutely...because they would have finished 11-1 in conference and in sole posession of 1st place with 5 all-conference players instead of 9-3 and co-champions with 5 all-conference players - honestly, i didn't think cnu would lay an egg over the final weekend the way they did when i wrote that

Ya me neither!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 22, 2006, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: narch on February 22, 2006, 02:05:20 PM
fayeteville observer game story (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=227008)...i hope mcevoy doesn't think he's a 3 point marksman from here on out...he needs to stay in the paint and collect rebounds and alter shots...if he wants to step out, make it 12-15 feet instead of 21'9" (or whatever the 3 point line is)

one downside of the new conference tourney format...$3 admission seemed to prevent folks from coming to the game - i heard many students didn't realize they had to pay to get in...

MC doesnt pick up the tab for the students there?? Damn, what kind of athletic department are they running down there?!?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2006, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 22, 2006, 02:22:37 PMMC doesnt pick up the tab for the students there?? Damn, what kind of athletic department are they running down there?!?!

while i think we both know this is one of the best run athletic departments in the conference, i couldn't agree more with the first part of your statement...should have happened
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 22, 2006, 04:47:22 PM
I know CNU's athletic department picks the tab up on any event such as this on the CNU campus. I didnt mean any disrespect by what I said, I hope you know that. I feel that the dept. should pick up the tab for students tho. Just one man's opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2006, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 22, 2006, 04:47:22 PM
I know CNU's athletic department picks the tab up on any event such as this on the CNU campus. I didnt mean any disrespect by what I said, I hope you know that. I feel that the dept. should pick up the tab for students tho. Just one man's opinion.

easy to say when your athletic department is funded the way cnu's is :)...just one man's opinion
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 22, 2006, 08:10:06 PM
Oh lord, here we go, why do you have to be so snide and snippy, I just dont get it?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2006, 10:17:03 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 22, 2006, 08:10:06 PM
Oh lord, here we go, why do you have to be so snide and snippy, I just dont get it?  ;D

goose...i think you're reading too much into my post...facts can't be snide and snippy - bottom line is, cnu spends much more $$$ on their athletic department than any other school in the usasac (over $100,000 per year more, in fact) - there is nothing snide or snippy about that...in fact, i think it's a positive as long as that money isn't being diverted from academic programs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 23, 2006, 12:45:09 PM
Athletic Department is money is COMPLETELY different from from academic money and there are no deversions. Im so glad you know we spend 100K more than any other department in the conference. Good to know you are in tune with the rest of the budgets around the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2006, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 23, 2006, 12:45:09 PMIm so glad you know we spend 100K more than any other department in the conference. Good to know you are in tune with the rest of the budgets around the conference.

goose...it's publicly available information on this website (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.asp)...i found this site a few years ago when someone else linked it on one of these boards
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 08:14:42 AM
perdictions for you, goose (since it appears that you and i are now the only ones posting on this board):

ncwc 76 - cnu 72 - arrington and hall are too much for the captain back court, and an improving ncwc front court nuetralizes the cnu front court

mc 64 - au 61 - monarch seniors realize that this is it...their only opportunity to make it 3 straight tourneys and 4 straight championships of some sort
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 24, 2006, 08:47:56 AM
Hey - I'm Baaacckkk....just like a bad penny (whatever that means). Captj's sandbox was being used by too many cats!

Before I start hoops posting again. I'm going to speak my mind and let everyone know where I stand. Y'all can take it or leave it.

First - Pat Coleman...I think you do a great job with the d3 sites and it is enjoyed by many people. Even Captj complimented you. It's easy to see that the work involved and effort and passion is high. And it is appreciated.

When it comes to people posting on the board and your return comments, sometimes you are the biggest butthead I know. I'll chalk it up to personality and that's the way you are and I either have to leave or get over it.

And that's what y'all have to do with me.....boot me off, or get over it! I have a very stressful career, am raising 2 teenagers, and am a church deacon. this is just one place where I can go and not have to feel a sense of responsibility. I get to act immature and make dumb comments. It's a release for me. I appreciate the forum that allows me to be a kid again. I only have one rule for myself when I post. Never key anything I wouldn't say to that person's face.

As I explained to Gullet in a personal message - 98% of what I post is done so with a sense of humor. And as I have told Pat - none of what I say on here is necessary. Y'all can deal with it - you're adults.

And as a final note, then it's off to hoops - Pat are you really a woman? Bringing up stuff from 2004. I thought I was talking to my wife (see note above about humor!!).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 24, 2006, 08:50:02 AM
Narch,

saw your perdictions....I think you've been hanging around Gullet's dorm room. I think CNU will take it (surprise, huh). But I also think AU has a very good chance to walk away with the trophy and NCAA bid.

hmmm.....and NCW has beaten CNU....maybe it's wide open except for those monarchs.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 09:21:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 24, 2006, 08:50:02 AMNarch,
saw your perdictions....I think you've been hanging around Gullet's dorm room. I think CNU will take it (surprise, huh). But I also think AU has a very good chance to walk away with the trophy and NCAA bid.

hmmm.....and NCW has beaten CNU....maybe it's wide open except for those monarchs.  :o

i KNEW you couldn't stay away for too long...welcome back!...captj has a little more resolve...he'll take a little more time, but i perdict that he'll be back, too

i might be a bit nuts to pick an all north carolina final...we'll see today, right - does anyone know what the broadcast/webcast/live box score situation is for the games?  i know in the past few years live box scores have been available...any info would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2006, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 23, 2006, 12:45:09 PMIm so glad you know we spend 100K more than any other department in the conference. Good to know you are in tune with the rest of the budgets around the conference.

goose...it's publicly available information on this website (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.asp)...i found this site a few years ago when someone else linked it on one of these boards

Here's what I found narch, a lil more banter before today's 2 pm game.

Budget
Ferrum - 343,000   Men's bball 34, 677
Gboro - 314,000 Men's bball 28,882
Methodist - 281,000 Men's bball 24,226
NC Wesleyan - 285,000 Men's bball 32,922
Shenandoah - 419,000 Men's bball 52,290
CNU - 386,000 - Men's bball 21,614
Averett - 23,000 - Men's bball 1,767 (I think they made a boo boo here)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 09:41:32 AM
Quote from: narch on February 24, 2006, 08:14:42 AM
perdictions for you, goose (since it appears that you and i are now the only ones posting on this board):

ncwc 76 - cnu 72 - arrington and hall are too much for the captain back court, and an improving ncwc front court nuetralizes the cnu front court

mc 64 - au 61 - monarch seniors realize that this is it...their only opportunity to make it 3 straight tourneys and 4 straight championships of some sort

Perdictions for those who care!

MC 82, AU 60 - The score may be a bit askewed, it prolly wont be that bad, but I definitely want Methodist to win. Especially talking to some of the team, Ive heard they want MC in the championship for a variety of reasons, not just because of last weekend's loss.

CNU 83, NCW 76 - CNU won by 13 in Freeman last time, and I think they will pull off a much closer victory this time. I know they dont want to lose to NCW three times in three years in the Captains first game of the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 02:03:09 PM
Damn narch, your boy just took a 3-ball!! Airballed it too!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 02:53:01 PM
i'm assuming by "my boy" you mean thomas...i'm having some issues getting the broadcast, do you have a score?  i think i heard 33-22 au halftime...

good research...i hadn't looked at the 04-05 numbers for anyone other than mc and cnu - the monarchs sure do get a lot of bang for their buck, don't they :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 03:03:02 PM
No I was talking about McEvoy. Check the tourny site, it updates so often. 43-38 AU with 11 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 03:04:18 PM
thanks, goose - mcevoy needs to plant himself in the paint...sounds like the monarchs have made a nice run in the 2nd half - thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 03:12:56 PM
56-54 MC 638 left. Robert Lee with a three-ball to take their first lead.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 03:21:40 PM
61-58 AU with 119 left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 03:23:29 PM
McEvoy takes a three with about 1 min. left?!?!?! And down byu three???? WOW Missed it, AU comes down, scores, McEvoy brings em back to with in three, 63-60 with 37 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 03:24:45 PM
goose - sounds like you're watching a great game...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 03:28:38 PM
I am. 66-64 AU with 13 ticks left. AU has the ball coming out of the time out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 03:30:31 PM
DAMN!!! AU missed the front end of a 1 and 1, then MC has the ball and plenty of time and throws it away!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 03:30:58 PM
MC couldnt get the three to fall at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 03:32:43 PM
sounds like au is going to pull this out with a big steal by stevens and a ft on the other end...sounded like mcdonalds shot was off the front of the rim - au beat mc 3 times this season...never thought that would happen - congrats to the cougars and good luck in the finals

on to baseball and spring sports for monarch fans
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 03:33:29 PM
goose - thanks for the updates, bro
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 24, 2006, 04:43:41 PM
Narch-
   Anytime. Love the friendly banter!! Good luck with the spring season. I know our baseball comes down there pretty soon for a fun three-game set. We open conference tomorrow with Averett.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2006, 07:37:56 PM
looks like i was wrong on both semi's...cnu CRUSHING ncwc...captains/cougars...should be interesting - i'll go with the cougars in a close one
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on February 24, 2006, 09:21:10 PM
This was my first post because I have not seen CNU play since last year, but I will say that Romeo has not missed a beat, what a good article in the daily press, it really hit it on the nail. NCW, they came out strong but they only have two kids that can play, both of the guards,  both with there socks pulled up. The first half they did a great job,  2nd half they could not throw it in the ocean. I would love to be more critical of CNU like I used to be but with these  kids you get a reality check. I love going to CNU Freeman Center (the school everyone loves to hate) but I will tell you I was the first one to say I thought they would have a down year, but for all the bashers, sorry, this community is behind them, they overacheived, and I am so glad this school is in my community and has such a wonderful backing, you guys may think I'm bias, damn right, go to a game, see if your community backs your school like my city does, Paul Trible knows what he is doing, he has elevated our student athletes and still brought in the best, I love Paul, Go CNU,
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 24, 2006, 10:04:30 PM
Um, nice predictions, narch.  You can officially move on to checkers and scrabble.

Wow, what a game by Jeremy Romeo!  It was nip and tuck until CNU went on a huge run, spurred on by Juliet's main squeeze.  Daniel was right, the atmosphere was awesome and it was great to see the Captains rebound from a dismal weekend.  Congrats guys....one more to go!

NC Wesleyan's team is nothing but thugs.  I think it was #2 that refused to shake hands at center court prior to the tip.  Gee, no wonder Lennie Hall scores some points....he shoots the damn ball on almost every possession.  He was a cocky little punk from the jump, too.  Oh well, they got what they deserved....a big ass whipping!

GO CAPS!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2006, 09:54:35 AM
Quote from: swish3 on February 24, 2006, 10:04:30 PM
Um, nice predictions, narch.  You can officially move on to checkers and scrabble.

you're right...i couldn't have been more wrong, but no thanks on the checkers and scrabble (although i do appreciate the offer to play with you, i'm afraid you'd be very humbled by my analytical abilities and your verbal skills...well, they aren't a match for me...i prefer to actually be challenged if i'm going to play games like that :))...i'll just move on to baseball, softball, lax, tennis and golf...realistically the monarchs could have a conference championship in every sport (although lax will be difficult with an opening game loss to gc) and 2 national championships

here is the question - if cnu were to win the usasac, does au have any chance of a bid in an expanded tournament? - i haven't done much research on their qowi, but i imagine it's relatively low because so many of the usasac teams had poor regional records - i think they were at around a 9 qowi last week, and the wins against su and mc didn't help that much, so i'm sure they are a longshot, but 20-8 overall and 16-6 in region are pretty nice win totals - i doubt there is a pool c for them, but they certainly would have a better chance than cnu if they were to lose in the finals
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on February 25, 2006, 10:16:20 AM
Narch, Methodist is a class program.....Coach Mc your AD would not have it any other way.   Your guys will be back--everyone cannot be winners on the court--but looks like the Monarchs have some real winners off the court.  Look forward to your post next year.    Was sincerely disappointed in some of the things NCW did before and during the game.....the first half was about as good as it gets--quality basketball.  But some of the antics they did on the court really took away from the quality of a otherwise exciting contest -- was totally uncalled for. 

Anyway, good luck Caps.....bring it home.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 25, 2006, 11:13:24 AM
Quote from: narch on February 25, 2006, 09:54:35 AM
here is the question - if cnu were to win the usasac, does au have any chance of a bid in an expanded tournament? - i haven't done much research on their qowi, but i imagine it's relatively low because so many of the usasac teams had poor regional records - i think they were at around a 9 qowi last week, and the wins against su and mc didn't help that much, so i'm sure they are a longshot, but 20-8 overall and 16-6 in region are pretty nice win totals - i doubt there is a pool c for them, but they certainly would have a better chance than cnu if they were to lose in the finals

From what I've heard the loser of today's final has a 0% chance of a pool C bid (despite the extra bids this year).  It will be winner take all. 

PERDICT- AU in a close one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2006, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: ballgame on February 25, 2006, 10:16:20 AM
Narch, Methodist is a class program.....

ballgame - thanks...i know coach mac and the entire athletic staff strive to run a quality total athletic program on and off the field - the guys deserve a lot of the credit, too - you would be hard pressed to find higher quality individuals than the seniors on the team, and i think they've set an example for the underclassmen as an example was set by those before them - i feel much the same about cnu (although some captains fans are less than desireable :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 25, 2006, 02:46:35 PM
CNU 41, Averett 40 HALF
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 25, 2006, 03:52:20 PM
OT BABY!!! CNU up 84-81 with 104 left.

DONTA gets fouled with eight tenths of a second left, drains all three to force OT!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 25, 2006, 03:57:43 PM
87-86 CNU with 30 secs left in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 25, 2006, 04:01:20 PM
CNU wins by 1 in OT
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 25, 2006, 04:04:42 PM
seldon the MVP.

announers call it "a game you will never forget"

CNU coach said "never been a part of a better game"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 25, 2006, 04:09:32 PM
Helluva game!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on February 25, 2006, 05:36:47 PM
i havent posted in a long time(but i do go to most of the games)  that was the best game ive seen in awhile.  ed riley is a great player to come off the bench.  i was thinking he should start but th energy he brings off the bench is high. i thought # 30 on au should of made all tourney.  sorry i dont remember the names.  he should of took #50's place..  the au fans were good execpt one guy i thought was going to get beat up by two older women under the hoop.  then he game back saying the f word.  i told im to watch his mouth because of the kids.  then this prick tried to stop an 8 or 9 year old from clapping to the band.  being the parent that i am i told the kid to clap because he wont do anything to you.  he was just an idiot trying to punk an 8 year old.

go capts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on February 25, 2006, 05:38:57 PM
one more thing is the au player that got hurt alright.  i saw his eyes roll towards the back of his head when he got up.  goose u might know how he is
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2006, 06:36:02 PM
congrats, captains...sounds like i missed two really good ball games (au/mc, au/cnu) - represent the usasac well, boys
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 25, 2006, 10:59:12 PM
I really dont know what to say about this game, kids. I think it ranks in my top two of in-person games ive seen. I thought for sure Stevenson had a clean block on Selden's three-ball near the buzzer, but apparently he got a little too much of the body, as I was located across the court from there the foul happen. But for that kid to go to the line with 0.8 seconds left, down by three, and calmly drain three straight free throws just says alot about the composure this kid has. Talk about pressure!! 

Of course when CNU gets up by four or five in OT, I figure we are going to blow them out big time. But we miss three free throws and let them hang around and Stevenson's coast to coast almost layin gave me flashbacks of VWC's OT win where Marques Fitch went coast to coast and layed it in for the win a year or two ago.

Averett was amazing from behind the arc. Nailed 15 on the day. I  had bad thoughts when we were down 12 midway thru. But we held them to just six points over the final nine minutes of regulation. Which was huge, plus Romeo's three to cut the lead to three was amazing. That kid had one helluva final two home games. 29 and 20 in the tourny aint bad!

Selden played his arse off and I thought he was deserving of the MVP and I thought Romeo was as well. But Selden was all over the court today, not just making free throws and jumpers, but hustling after loose balls and following his shot and grabbing offensive rebounds to give his team another opportunity just spoke volumes about this kid's heart and desire. Im glad he's around for one more year!!

Wow what a great tourny this weekend. I think Coach Allen has started something at Averett that I hope he continues. They had a great year and have the potential to be very good for several more years to come. Ya the conference was down and has been for a couple years, but I think its about to come back up and I hope in the future the USA South is able to get more than one team in the NCAA's, especially with the expanded field.

Cant wait for the pairings to be released Monday morning at 8 am. Ill be lucky if Im up by then, after this long weekend!!  Also cant wait to read Pat's and COs. projections.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2006, 11:14:15 PM
goose - i have a feeling you guys won't have to travel too far...maybe just down the road to vwc for a rematch
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on February 26, 2006, 08:26:09 AM
How many times can one experience "the thrill of victory" and "agony of defeat" in one game?  That was amazing and anyone who was there should consider himself or herself fortunate to have witnessed it! A game like that is rare and frankly my heart cannot take too many more of those.     

Averett -- well, WELL coached and they were "on fire" at the start of the second half.  You sit wondering will this "three point a-thon" ever stop—not sure how many they made in a row to start the second half, but wow, what a run by AU.  It's tough losing any championship game....but that was a "heart ripper outer."  There were many Averett fans in our area....we had some fun "harassing" the refs, but from my perspective they were class fans....though many sat in stun silenced for a few minutes after the game -- can't say I would not have been the same way -- probably would have had to carry me out on a stretcher. 

Goose, did note Maceado and Adair were at Friday's game and an assistant was at Saturday's game -- hmmm? 

Congrats to the Captains....they have shown a LOT of heart all year and just NEVER quit.  It seems expectations were down a little for the program and a few folks were signing the "death warrant".....personally I think the best is yet to come.  This team has some good, tough young men who have "no" quit in'em.   Certainly though to send out Jeremy and Adam with a ring is special....congrats guys....congrats to the coaches (bless Coaches Woollum, Waters, and Ross—they probably aged a little to yesterday) and team – well done!

Good luck in the NCAAs....you've made believers out of all of us Capt fans. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 26, 2006, 09:37:58 AM
Relax, narch, just gettin' my jabs in, much like yourself.  By the way, I'm so intimidated by your self proclaimed intellectual ability. ::)  Enough of this, I'm moving on to something that matters.

Wow, what a game!  It took some serious stones to do what Selden did.  I'm so happy for everyone involved with the team this year, especially the seniors.  As ballgame mentioned, I definitely consider myself fortunate to have witnessed a game of that caliber.  Congrats to the players and coaches on an amazing win and conference championship!

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 26, 2006, 09:54:48 AM
narch-
   I have a feeling that we will be in the Batten Center, but I dont think we will be playing the Marlins first. I think they will get Catholic/Maryville and I really think we will be playing RMC. One of the coaches told me he thought Maryville/Catholic/CNU and RMC in Maryville, but I dont think Maryville gets in. So I dont think that's gonna happen. Be interesting to see how things work out. I hate having to wait until Monday morning tho!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bosco14 on February 26, 2006, 11:58:30 AM
congrats to the captains
great/hard fought game!!
we're dancin' baby!!!
where is the first round game
does anyone know yet?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 26, 2006, 12:53:01 PM
Wont know till Monday at 8 am.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 26, 2006, 12:56:58 PM
Ok the boys just posted their Pool B picks and Maryville is in it. Insert foot in mouth.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 26, 2006, 05:34:27 PM
Pat and co. have us playing at VA Wes with Catholic playing RMC there as well. Looks like i had the right teams, just the wrong match up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on February 26, 2006, 08:33:26 PM
Well, I can say this A U was the better team for 39 minutes and 59 seconds, what can I say, Romeo was in the corner with his shirt over his head with defeat written all over his face, they had lost in my/his mind and everyone all over the gym. Up by 3 with less than 10 seconds less at the free line, he missed it, Seldon went down and clearly was fouled, body check, I had a great view, he pulled his shirt out of his pants and put it over his head and clearly was in shock, what a great display of heart. He got more rebounds (offense/defense) this boy wanted to win, Romeo if you read this, give this boy a kiss. I know you already have. Romeo had a great tourney, as the brother of the last point guard I am very impressed with his heir apparent, Barton played like a veteran and he gave them a spark in the 2nd half when AU was hot and CNU was cold. Over the weekend the most solid player was Romeo, but in my opinion,Riley showed he's rady to start, he rebounds, he BOXES OUT, HE is solid! CNU was not the better team but they played with so much heart, I loved this game, I sat next to RMACOn coaches, they do not want to play either of these teams, in my opinion, AU can play/beat alot of teams out there, I hope they get in tourneywith the new format, (i'm not stupid, they would love to give the ODAC three before USAS gets two) Au deserves it, I love basketball at the D-3 level it has so much passion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on February 26, 2006, 09:16:10 PM
where do u get your info from.  the better team won the game.  cnu was up 41-40 at the half.  6 ties and 11 leadchanges an you really think au was the better team for 39 min.
please spare me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 26, 2006, 09:17:48 PM
it's great that all of the cnu fans have come out of the woodwork, but where were you guys all season? :) - had to wait for them to win to post, huh? - i'll give captj, goose and cnu85 all the credit and credibility in the world...they post even when it's not popular to do so (well, except captj...since he ran off in a huff...c'mon, dude, we need your "random thoughts" on the usasac tourney and the upcoming ncaa's)

if pat & co. are correct in their projections for the south region, that's a TOUGH draw...vwc has won a lot of games in a row coming into the tourney (23, if i'm not mistaken) and playing on their home floor...tough - good luck, capts...beat the odac!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on February 26, 2006, 09:49:23 PM
Eddie, I was at the game and  I know just as everyone there who knows basketball ,would say they were outplayed until the end of the game, they won at the end with great play. They were outplayed the majority of the game, they know it, I know it, the game went down to the wire, AU was on fire the 2nd half, but your opinion I will respect, but not except.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PM
You know what Narch, I really think you wish you were in charge of this board, I know Ihave not been to a game this year,so posting would not be justified without seeing the team live. The last 5 years you have been really consistent with your posts, you are vey critical of CNU, but in my opinion you are very invious of CNU. You are the only guy who posts from your school on a regular basis and I when I read your posts I just get the feeling you are bitterwhen your beloved school from fayetnam doesn't do well. CNUis here to stay the board has more CNU than you can deal with that's why you are always on the defense. Narch,I would love to get a look at you but you remind me of the Narrator of the Wizard of OZ, you know all, look Narch I know your going to give me the breakdown of why I shouldn't post or I just post when CNU is doing well, but it just boils down to I post when I go to a game, bottom  line. Say what you will, CNU won the game, the kids fought hard and AU is a good team. Your team underacheived and CNU overacheived, bring it on, I appreciate my fellow CNU posters (CNU85 etc) at least we have 3 you can name, it's just not the almighty NARCH, get of the your high horse, 5 years is enough, I appreciate your effort but your a bit much, relax and go see a Campbell basketball game at the Cumberland County Arena
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 26, 2006, 11:27:34 PM
Um, CNU was really out played for 44 minutes and 52 seconds. It wasnt until Selden, lets spell his name correctly, it has two Es, hit the lay-up off a sweet feed from Davon that put the Capts ahead for what proved to be good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 27, 2006, 08:49:04 AM
Captains get Lincoln, AT LINCOLN, Friday night in a sub-regional!!

Damn rematch of the 114-112 game!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 27, 2006, 09:19:08 AM
Goose13:

You're right about a rematch between Lincoln and CNU in a 114-112  OT game played in Myrtle Beach SC.  The difference this time is that CNU is coming to Lincoln, and won't be playing the Lions after three straight games in a row on the road.  Additionally, CNU has not fared very well on the road this year, and the Lions are undefeated at home.

It should be a good game, but I think Coach Yuille will review the CNU game film, and a well rested pride of Lions should prevail aganist the Captains at home.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2006, 01:41:25 PM
Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMYou know what Narch, I really think you wish you were in charge of this board,
i have zero desire to take over this board...pat & co do a great job and don't need my help

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMI know Ihave not been to a game this year,so posting would not be justified without seeing the team live.
this seems like a very legit reason to not post for you...how about the others who have jumped on in the last few days?...by the way...i got an email from a cnu fan who read my post and said the same thing and even used the term "bandwagon fans"...i'll let that person decide if he wants to reveal himself...

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMThe last 5 years you have been really consistent with your posts, you are vey critical of CNU, but in my opinion you are very invious of CNU.
i'm not sure what invious means, but if you mean envious, you're right - cnu has the best facilities in the conference, the best community support, the best recruiting advantages (location and cost), and cnu has consistently been among the best overall athletic departments in the region/country...sure, i'm a little jealous...i've never said i wasn't...what fan wouldn't want their school to have a great athletic program?

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMYou are the only guy who posts from your school on a regular basis and I when I read your posts I just get the feeling you are bitterwhen your beloved school from fayetnam doesn't do well.
there are others on this board with mc ties, i just happen to be the most outspoken and unabashed monarch fan on the board...monarch96 and isoar are former monarch players, and there are others who have posted over the years

i don't know that i'm bitter when my team doesn't do well, but i'm certainly not as happy as i would be otherwise...are you as happy when cnu loses as you are when they win?

and let's not act like newport news is some resort town, either...i don't have some cute, condesending nickname for nn, but i've been there enough to know that if you weren't so close to va beach and williamsburg, that town would suck worse than fayetteville on a bad day :)

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMCNUis here to stay the board has more CNU than you can deal with that's why you are always on the defense.
i think you guys read way too much into most of my posts...i'm very rarely feeling defensive when i post (although i might be a bit defensive right now...)

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMNarch,I would love to get a look at you
why? i'm really not that much to look at - now my wife and kids...different story :)

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMNarch I know your going to give me the breakdown of why I shouldn't post or I just post when CNU is doing well, but it just boils down to I post when I go to a game, bottom  line.
no, i won't say that you shouldn't post...in fact, i thought my previous post made it pretty clear...i think every poster should post their thoughts more often, rather than waiting to come out of the woodwork when the team wins the conference tournament - if you choose to post when you go to games only, that is your prerogative, but you aren't the only poster who has re-emerged over the last few days...cnu fans opinions are as valid when cnu wins as they are when they lose

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMYour team underacheived and CNU overacheived
have you read any of my posts this year? i've said pretty much the same thing all season long - in fact, i might use the term grossly underacheived...there was too much talent on that team to win just 10 games

Quote from: daniel on February 26, 2006, 10:16:24 PMrelax and go see a Campbell basketball game at the Cumberland County Arena
first, i have no desire to go see bad d1 basketball, and although improved, campbell is a bad d1 basketball team - secondly, i don't think campbell has played in the crown coliseum (i guess this is what you're referring to?) in a few years
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2006, 01:51:37 PM
on a basketball note - i think cnu actually got a decent draw with lincoln, although i think that's still a very tough game...vwc is just so hot right now, i think it will be difficult for anyone to beat them, and i really thought that cnu would draw vwc (with miss college getting the first round bye as a south region team)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 27, 2006, 02:35:34 PM
If you look at the bracket, they did a lot of moving teams around. Like sending the Ursinus/Farminadale winner to VWC, sending CNU to PA with I think three other PA teams, two for sure. And then sending Macon out to TN to play Wooster, WOOSTER in the first round!! I would have much preferred to play Alvernia or Messiah!! Especially after having seen Lincoln play its third and fourth games in as many days. They are an amazing athletic team who doesnt play a lot of D, but when you have the scorers that they do, you dont really need to!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2006, 02:46:06 PM
that bracket that wooster is in is a BEAR...i think that could produce your national champion, if they don't just beat each other up completely
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 27, 2006, 03:39:52 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: eddie on February 27, 2006, 04:25:59 PM
narch ive been going to games since 1997.  ive posted in the past just not a lot.  uasually the guys on this board say what i wanted to say so i just read the post.  the game against au was one of the best ive seen in awhile(william patterson game)  so i posted.  next year i will try to post more!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2006, 04:44:06 PM
just woke up from the dead.....actually, was out of town for the weekend....then when I returned I spent this morning getting checked out....official case of the flu and bronchitis....I just love it...2 days bed rest. I followed the scores on the internet (was able to sneak away from the convention hall on Friday to listen to the last 5-6 minutes of the game). Sounds like I missed the "Game at the Freeman" on Saturday.

My thoughts about Lincoln.....Lincoln will win easily (by 15-20). This is where playing schools like Maryland Bible, or Bubba's Cajun Culinary College, at home do nothing to help your team. CNU is pitiful on the road and just not ready to play a nationally ranked team. Now they get to play a nationally ranked team on the road - disaster! I hope I'm dead wrong, but I doubt it.

On a positive side - when we played them in MB, it looked like we matched up well. Who knows? Going back to bed - doc's orders.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on February 27, 2006, 04:57:23 PM
CNU85:

It's been a long time since I've heard from you.  We discussed the Lincoln/CNU game last year.  Lincoln played CNU on the last day of a four day trip that took the Lions to Ashland Virginia, before heading south to Myrtle Beach.  If I recall the MB posts, there were only about 15 people at the game on a neutral court

The Captains are playing Lincoln at home, and Lincoln has averaged about 1450 fans during the last few games.  I guess the fans come out when you're nationally ranked and only had so few home games during the season.  I'm glad we're playing the Captains with an opportunity to rest, and at home.

Get well soon with the flu and bronchitis.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on February 27, 2006, 07:15:43 PM
We like hostile crowds of 1500  ;D!!

Except when they arent ours!!

I really wish they had done what everybody had figured they were going to do and pair us up with someone in the Fish Tank so some of our faithful could attend. But hey,  you go where the NCAA tells you. I still hate the fact that they paired us up with a team we've already played this year. I used to think in the past they would make consertive efforts to avoid that, but we CNU fans found out in the fall when our women's soccer squad matched up with VWC in the first round of NCAA's, which ended up being on our field, and we lost!!

Oh well, as the God's gift to rock and roll said (very sarcastic statement), You cant always get what you want!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2006, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: > on March 01, 2006, 01:04:46 PM
ODAC Players in the first annual ODAC vs. USA South Senior All-Star game.

Bridgewater – Clay Michael, and Zach Butler
Eastern Mennonite - Dustin Gaylon
E&H – Gary Kearns
Guilford – Jamel Taylor
HSC – Matt Guill, and Aaron Lewek
LC – Andy Albright and Pat Prior
RMC – Justin Wansley and Patrick Gill
RC – Jared Butler
VWC – Marques Fitch and Matt Towell
W&L - None

does anyone know when the usasac team will be named?

anyone want to take a stab at the usasac team...i might give it a try...

good luck to the capts in the tourney - captj - i know you're out there...what are your pontiac keys to victory?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2006, 02:11:25 PM
assuming everyone is healthy and can play, this is what the usasac roster would look like ('cause this is every senior in the conference) - i've divided them into who i would start, who i would bring off the bench and who i would play a few minutes

starters
eugene grant -mc - 6'2"/200      11.1 ppg/ 3.5 apg
jeremy romeo - cnu - 6'1"/190 -     13.7 ppg/2.8 rpg
steve berg - gc - 6'0"/180      18.6 ppg/5.5 rpg
seth thomas -mc - 6'4"/195      13.4 ppg/ 7.3 rpg
justin battle - gc - 6'7"/200       6.1 ppg/5.3 rpg

top reserves
brian holloway - gc - 6"6/210      5.8 ppg/4.9 rpg
adam purdham - cnu - 6'3"/190 -    1.2 ppg/1.4 rpg
micheal mcevoy - mc- 6'11"/225   3.4 ppg/ 2.08 bpg
billy gardner - au - 6'7"/235        3 ppg/1.5 rpg
jared hale - su - 6'0"/185      3.8 ppg/ .8 rpg

they'll play, 'cause it's an all-star game
nigel kelly - fc - 6'6"/185      1.6 ppg/.4 rpg
jermaine artis - ncwc - 6'4"/NA      1.7 ppg/ 1.0 rpg
patrick miller - su - 6'5"/195      2.4 ppg/2.6 rpg
marchise jones - mc - 5'7"/175   .9 ppg/ .55 apg
aaron bahm - mc - 6'4"/205      1.5 ppg/ 2.5 mpg

the odac post players will have a field day, and there is no pg other than grant (and he's not a true pg...he just played one for the monarchs...he's really a 2 or 3) - thomas will have to take the post, and i imagine he might guard wansley some...interesting matchup - this team WILL be able to shoot lights out, though :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 01, 2006, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 27, 2006, 02:35:34 PM
If you look at the bracket, they did a lot of moving teams around. Like sending the Ursinus/Farminadale winner to VWC, sending CNU to PA with I think three other PA teams, two for sure. And then sending Macon out to TN to play Wooster, WOOSTER in the first round!! I would have much preferred to play Alvernia or Messiah!! Especially after having seen Lincoln play its third and fourth games in as many days. They are an amazing athletic team who doesnt play a lot of D, but when you have the scorers that they do, you dont really need to!
Goose - It's not much difference (unless you actually drive to the wrong state to go to the game lol), but I believe Randolph-Macon and C. of Wooster got sent to Lexington, KY (Transylvania).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bosco14 on March 01, 2006, 04:19:03 PM
nice to see the captains on the bracket tourney sheet!!!
if the game were at cnu the comment would be:
"bean break out the liberace suit"
we're dancin baby???

what does lincoln look like this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 01, 2006, 10:21:22 PM
Damn bosco, I almost forgot about the electric blue suit!! Thats hot!!

Lincoln is tough. They had the nation's leading scorer and the nation's second best assists man (same person!!) They, as well as the Captains, will be not be the same team each other saw back in Myrtle in a 114-112 OT Lincoln win. Lincoln was without Tyreek Byard, a Temple transfer, and the Capts were without the services of Jahmar Claxton and Matt Coleman. Romeo was also 2-17 in that game and Korey Lewis had 19 points in 17 minutes and fouled out. But its on the road in their house and it will most definitely be a very, very tough game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2006, 01:54:11 AM
Lincoln was also playing its fourth game in five nights, I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 02, 2006, 07:37:33 AM
Oh its believable Pat, they were. But they didnt play like they were playing their fourth game in four nights. They didnt look tired to me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2006, 04:52:57 PM
njlincolnlion,

don't think you have too much to worry about tomorrow night. CNU is not a road team and their record against ranked opponents lately stinks. Just as long as Lincoln doesn't look past CNU, they should be ok...and I don't think they will since the last game was a barn burner in MB. If CNU doesn't play all out for the entire game, it will get ugly and very quickly.

Now if Selden can quit the quotes in the newspaper, which I'm sure is in the Lincoln locker room by now......we'll see tomorrow night...I'll tune in as long as I can. I actually fell asleep during the Duke FSU game last night......prescription drugs are a wonderful thing!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 02, 2006, 10:32:28 PM
I know CNU has their own radio crew, but just in case you want to catch the first game of the Lincoln/CNU bracket.....

6 PM: Messiah College vs. Alvernia College

CNU and Lincoln follows at 8 PM with the webcasts available at:

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/mens/scoreboard/div3

Pregame begins 20 minutes before each game and you'll need Windows Media to listen.  You can broadcast it for free here:

http//www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 02, 2006, 11:38:37 PM
No offense Gordon!! But I hope the CNU fans listen to the voice of the Captains!! I know you will do a fine job!! Look forward to seeing you there Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 03, 2006, 02:15:24 PM
No offense taken.

Captain fans should stick with their radio guys.  But if they are optimistic and want to hear who they might play in the second round, we'll be there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 03, 2006, 10:24:43 PM
good game...better than I thought it would go....102-96 with CNU having a chance to tie it with 25 seconds left.

NJlincolnlion...good luck the rest of the way....you should make the sweet 16...enjoy it...it's fun!!

tough way for Romeo to end his career....it sounded like CNU would hang on for the win....I'm actually looking forward to next year already....the team is solid unless there are unexpected player losses in the off season.

see y'all next year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on March 03, 2006, 10:34:00 PM
CNU85

The Captains gave Lincoln all they wanted and then some.  CNU will be a team to be reckoned with.

I think the Lions came out tight, and I was surprised they went with the three guards starting to match up with CNU.  The 3 guard line-up played right into the Captains hands.  I'm glad we came out with the win, and now we have to play Messiah for the second time this year.

I hope you're over with the flu.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2006, 10:42:24 PM
great season capts...enjoy the offseason
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ballgame on March 06, 2006, 11:54:14 AM
  Serious withdrawals here.  Great game Friday night.  Capts played great basketball for 36 minutes.  Hats off to the Lincoln coach for changing to the match up zone--otherwise we're probably making plans for the sweet 16 this weekend....anyway water over the dam now. 

Enjoyed reading your post....especially goose, cnu85, captj and narch....they sort of held it together for us this year. 

I am looking forward to next year.  Capts should be OK.....all the best to Adam and Jeremy.  Great year and great careers....all the best to you both in your future endeavors.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 10, 2006, 01:04:27 PM
usasac roster set  (http://www.usasouth.net/news/06basketballchallengerosterannouncement.htm) for the usasac/odac all-star games...the men's roster looks a little familiar :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 16, 2006, 08:07:06 AM
congrats to jeremiah lawrence from su for being named 2nd team all-region by d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 16, 2006, 07:37:01 PM
Just saw the piece on ESPN they did on Lincoln and IWU. Other than Garfield callin CNU wack, I thought it was a pretty good piece.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 17, 2006, 07:54:06 AM
Can you elaborate on his comment?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on March 17, 2006, 09:40:19 AM
In his pregame speech to his team before the CNU/Lincoln game, he said something along the lines of this Christopher Newport team is whack...Ill have to watch the tape again and get the direct quote and report back to you. It was just his way of trying to get his team fired up saying this CNU team is whack.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 17, 2006, 12:37:43 PM
That's because he and his team are straight ghetto.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUCougars on March 21, 2006, 09:06:53 PM
Tune into the webcast of the The ODAC-USA South Challenge at the following link www.averett.edu/statistics/cougarlive.htm (http://www.averett.edu/statistics/cougarlive.htm).  Adam Pohl, the voice of Cougar Football and the Salem Avalanche minor league baseball team, will handle the play-by-play.  The women's game starts at 6 p.m. with the men to follow at 8 p.m.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 23, 2006, 01:52:16 PM
a couple of monarchs put a nice finish on their collegiate careers last night in the usasac/odac all star game - eugene grant led all scorers with 17 points on 6-9 shooting and added 4 assists, 4 rebs and 2 steals (just 1 to) in just 14 minutes and was named the usasac mvp - thomas led all rebounders with 10, and added 10 points - mcevoy had 5 blocks, but was just 1-6 from the field (0-3 from three) - jones played 11 minutes with 4 pts, 2 asst but 3 to's - the usasac got beat 105-92, but was down 28-8 after the first 10 minutes and down 61-31 at the half

did anyone see the game...the box score  (http://www.usasouth.net/statistics/M-bkb/2005-2006/chall-m.htm) has attendance listed as 0 :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on May 04, 2006, 01:37:07 PM
thought i'd add a little life to the board

from my sources within the hoops program, the monarchs have had some nice recruits on campus lately:

2nd team all-state guard from wv - a little on the small side for most scholarship programs, but very smart, fundamentally sound player - still looking at lots of schools, but mc is high on the list

cumberland county poty visited this past week - pfieffer is considering an offer, but hasn't made one yet - if they don't, he could very well be a monarch (said with fingers crossed)

wing - local product who averaged around 8 ppg, 7 rpg in hs - a little raw, but talented - has nice range at 6'4"-6'5" - could be a poor man's seth thomas in a few years

post from fla - 6'6" pure athlete - nasty on the break - played on a very good hs team - still lots of question marks, but could potentially be an impact player in a few years if he enrolls

combo guard from tn - a little on the small side for scholly programs, but a solid player - avg 12+ ppg, 6+ apg and 3+ spg for a team that finished in the final 16 in the state

firm committment from a 6'8" juco player - not expected to be an impact kind of player, but fundamentally sound with good experience - should add nice front-court depth
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on May 12, 2006, 02:42:42 PM
Great to see the monarchs are dealing with some good players. I was getting a little worried because i haven't heard their name mentioned alot this year. I hear that the freshman point (barton)  that CNU had last season was looking to transfer to a scholarship school, any of you CNU guys hear this? he appears to be a pretty good player, but I hope ye stay at D3 and have a great career. I hear that Guilford College have been in fayetteville alot this year. pulled a couple of players one from e.e. smith other from 71st. hopefully that's all rumor and the monarchs will keep those guys home. hope all is well narch and have a great weekend
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 16, 2006, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on May 12, 2006, 02:42:42 PM
Great to see the monarchs are dealing with some good players. I was getting a little worried because i haven't heard their name mentioned alot this year. I hear that the freshman point (barton)  that CNU had last season was looking to transfer to a scholarship school, any of you CNU guys hear this? he appears to be a pretty good player, but I hope ye stay at D3 and have a great career. I hear that Guilford College have been in fayetteville alot this year. pulled a couple of players one from e.e. smith other from 71st. hopefully that's all rumor and the monarchs will keep those guys home. hope all is well narch and have a great weekend
Looks like the Quakers got a commitment from Fayetteville E.E. Smith HS player Sherrick Warren:   http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=232331
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on May 25, 2006, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 16, 2006, 10:36:42 PMLooks like the Quakers got a commitment from Fayetteville E.E. Smith HS player Sherrick Warren:   http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=232331

that kid's a pretty nice player...good shooter and a really bright kid, if he's the guy i'm thinking about...he didn't want to stay close to home, so the monarchs weren't ever really in the hunt for him

if the monarchs some of the guys they're talking to, they won't miss him a bit

oh, and there is a former d1 walk-on (who actually played a little for an ncaa tournament team) that enrolled this spring who is def playing next year...EXTREMELY intelligent, great ballhandler, great shooter - could step in and start right away
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on May 27, 2006, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: narch on May 25, 2006, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 16, 2006, 10:36:42 PMLooks like the Quakers got a commitment from Fayetteville E.E. Smith HS player Sherrick Warren:   http://www.fayettevillenc.com/article?id=232331

that kid's a pretty nice player...good shooter and a really bright kid, if he's the guy i'm thinking about...he didn't want to stay close to home, so the monarchs weren't ever really in the hunt for him

if the monarchs close on some of the guys they're talking to, they won't miss him a bit

oh, and there is a former d1 walk-on (who actually played a little for an ncaa tournament team) that enrolled this spring who is def playing next year...EXTREMELY intelligent, great ballhandler, great shooter - could step in and start right away
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on May 27, 2006, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: narch on May 27, 2006, 09:44:47 AM
oh, and there is a former d1 walk-on (who actually played a little for an ncaa tournament team) that enrolled this spring who is def playing next year...EXTREMELY intelligent, great ballhandler, great shooter - could step in and start right away


Don't be coy, Narch ... Who is he? What D1 team did he transfer from?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 05, 2006, 10:02:21 PM
vcu...he's a fayetteville kid who was recruited by fayetteville native (and former duke star) jeff capel...he didn't play a lot of minutes, but he did play as a frosh - didn't play as a soph, then transferred to mc this past spring
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 07, 2006, 10:42:02 PM
couple of updates:

Quote from: narch on May 04, 2006, 01:37:07 PM

from my sources within the hoops program, the monarchs have had some nice recruits on campus lately:

2nd team all-state guard from wv - a little on the small side for most scholarship programs, but very smart, fundamentally sound player - still looking at lots of schools, but mc is high on the list
update - pretty close to a done deal...would be a really nice addition to the monarch family

cumberland county poty visited this past week - pfieffer is considering an offer, but hasn't made one yet - if they don't, he could very well be a monarch (said with fingers crossed)
update - pfieffer offered and he jumped...he'll get minutes at pu 'cause they play 15 guys (subbing 5 at a time), but he would have made more of an impact at mc...oh well

wing - local product who averaged around 8 ppg, 7 rpg in hs - a little raw, but talented - has nice range at 6'4"-6'5" - could be a poor man's seth thomas in a few years
update - still working on him...stay tuned

post from fla - 6'6" pure athlete - nasty on the break - played on a very good hs team - still lots of question marks, but could potentially be an impact player in a few years if he enrolls
update - still working on him...getting closer, but still have lots of work to do

combo guard from tn - a little on the small side for scholly programs, but a solid player - avg 12+ ppg, 6+ apg and 3+ spg for a team that finished in the final 16 in the state
update - still working on him...apparently distance is issue...he's got to understand there are lots of folks from further away at mc...he'd be a nice get

firm committment from a 6'8" juco player - not expected to be an impact kind of player, but fundamentally sound with good experience - should add nice front-court depth
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 23, 2006, 01:36:10 PM
at this point i feel like i'm talking to myself, but here is another update for those that care:

Quote from: narch on June 07, 2006, 10:42:02 PM
couple of updates:

Quote from: narch on May 04, 2006, 01:37:07 PM

from my sources within the hoops program, the monarchs have had some nice recruits on campus lately:

2nd team all-state guard from wv - a little on the small side for most scholarship programs, but very smart, fundamentally sound player - still looking at lots of schools, but mc is high on the list
update - pretty close to a done deal...would be a really nice addition to the monarch family

FIRM COMMIT - should be a very solid player for the monarchs

wing - local product who averaged around 8 ppg, 7 rpg in hs - a little raw, but talented - has nice range at 6'4"-6'5" - could be a poor man's seth thomas in a few years
update - still working on him...stay tuned

not likely to enroll, but hasn't ruled mc out

post from fla - 6'6" pure athlete - nasty on the break - played on a very good hs team - still lots of question marks, but could potentially be an impact player in a few years if he enrolls
update - still working on him...getting closer, but still have lots of work to do

getting closer, but still not there

combo guard from tn - a little on the small side for scholly programs, but a solid player - avg 12+ ppg, 6+ apg and 3+ spg for a team that finished in the final 16 in the state
update - still working on him...apparently distance is issue...he's got to understand there are lots of folks from further away at mc...he'd be a nice get

probably not going to happen because of distance/cost

firm committment from a 6'8" juco player - not expected to be an impact kind of player, but fundamentally sound with good experience - should add nice front-court depth

there is one to add

the monarchs got a FIRM COMMIT from a combo guard from wilmington, nc who should be able to contribute right away - smart player and very athletic - recruited hard by every nc d3 as well as a number of d2's (although no athletic $$$'s were offered) - he could be a big get for the monarchs

mc is also pursuing the mvp of one of the nc state championship games - he's a 6'3" wing who averaged 16 ppg and 8 rpg - there is a long way to go for him, but stay tuned

the monarchs had a 6'5", 250 lb post in to visit recently...he's an '07, but could be the lead recruit in the '07 class
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 23, 2006, 01:46:57 PM
Maybe you're talking to yourself because you're not giving any names.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 23, 2006, 09:34:32 PM
pat - names will come in due time...like, august, after they've enrolled - too many coaches lurking out there that might get after someone if they saw names
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 27, 2006, 04:30:01 PM
Hi Narch:
You are not talking to yourself.  My Maryville "informants" have got me thinking the Scots will struggle so I am reading you to see what you see for one of the other MC's, especially since you guys appear not to be coming to Maryville this season (at least during the regular schedule).  Course with what happened last year....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 14, 2006, 08:28:50 PM
Narch,

you mentioned the VCU transfer and an MVP from a NC championship game...Isn't that the same kid...Eric Maynor???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 15, 2006, 01:15:51 PM
Hey Narch:  Y'all USASouth folks want to annex the GSAC?  Fisk is leaving so the men's programs are four.  GSAC women are still enough for an AC, I think, but a lot of y'all play GSAC schools in men's basketball already....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 15, 2006, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 15, 2006, 01:15:51 PM
Hey Narch:  Y'all USASouth folks want to annex the GSAC?  Fisk is leaving so the men's programs are four.  GSAC women are still enough for an AC, I think, but a lot of y'all play GSAC schools in men's basketball already....
Yeah, the GSAC is hardly a conference with only four teams!  I'll withhold more information until I'm sure this is what's happening, but I think one of my young relatives is transferring to the Piedmont College men's basketball program this fall.  I hope Piedmont makes a few trips to North Carolina so I can see him play more often!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 15, 2006, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on July 14, 2006, 08:28:50 PM
Narch,

you mentioned the VCU transfer and an MVP from a NC championship game...Isn't that the same kid...Eric Maynor???

no...two different guys, and i don't have a clue who eric maynor is

not sure the latter will materialize at this point

Quote from: scottiedoug on July 15, 2006, 01:15:51 PM
Hey Narch: Y'all USASouth folks want to annex the GSAC? Fisk is leaving so the men's programs are four. GSAC women are still enough for an AC, I think, but a lot of y'all play GSAC schools in men's basketball already....

that wouldn't be a horrible idea, especially if su leaves for the cac...i don't see su staying in a conference that had to travel to huntingdon, though...that's a long drive for everyone, especially them...we'll see

Quote from: hasanova on July 15, 2006, 05:28:23 PM
I hope Piedmont makes a few trips to North Carolina so I can see him play more often!

they'll be in fayetteville, for sure...was that the relative that played for montreat?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 15, 2006, 11:32:29 PM
Perhaps Huntingdon would work better in the American Southwest Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2006, 12:55:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 15, 2006, 11:32:29 PM
Perhaps Huntingdon would work better in the American Southwest Conference.

Montgomery to Dallas = 650 miles  :-\  (Then another 140+ or more to UMHB, HPU, McM, HSU, TLU and SRSU.)

Montgomery to Clinton MS (Miss Coll) ~ 260 miles   :-\

Montgomery to Pineville LA (LA College) ~ 420 miles   :-\

Montgomery to Marshall TX (ETBU) ~ 501 miles  :-\  (Corrections appreciated.)

I had really hoped that Stillman and Fisk would have worked out in the GSAC.  That would have given 6 men's teams.  Almost there at six teams!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 16, 2006, 12:26:47 PM
Huntingdon to Shenandoah: 766 miles
to Christopher Newport: 754 miles
to Mary Baldwin: 674 miles
to N.C. Wesleyan: 617 miles
to Peace: 573 miles
to Ferrum: 571 miles
to Averett: 540 miles
to Methodist: 528 miles
to Greensboro: 494 miles

These aren't great either.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 16, 2006, 12:54:33 PM
I could see a Maryville or Piedmont independently leaving the GSAC to join the USASouth.  Maryville is already a USASouth member for football so its not that far of a leap.  I don't see all 4 GSAC coed schools going to the USASouth. 

As for Fisk leaving the GSAC it's official check out the GSAC website  www.greatsouth.org
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 16, 2006, 04:35:07 PM
Without SU, could there be enough for two divisions...a north/south arrangement along the lines of the ASC's east/west?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 16, 2006, 05:42:43 PM
I still wonder if the USAC is not vulnerable to Shenandoah's moving into a conference to the north for "Mission and Vision" reasons, maybe staying as a football affiliate, if necessary.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on July 17, 2006, 11:30:51 AM
So Fisk is leaving the GSAC?? Are they going independent then? I skimmed the article and didnt see anything about affiliating with another conference, of course I could have missed it too.

I heard CNU was asked to move to the CAC, but I think their intentions are if they do move, they dont want to leave any sport hanging, especially with a move to the CAC where there may not be enough schools with football to make the AQ. I think CNU wont make a move unless its to a conference where there is an AQ in every sport.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 17, 2006, 11:56:52 AM
Fisk will be a D3 independent for the time being.  Fisk will still be playing the GSAC schools in most sports so in many ways it won't change a thing. This is especially true since the GSAC didn't have an automatic bid anyway!

IMHO, the Fisk administration has to make some type of determination in the near future whether they will either try to rejoin the SCAC (not likely) or go D2 and rejoin the SIAC (likely). 

As for Shenandoah U. and CNU joining the CAC, what's the story behind that? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on July 17, 2006, 01:53:11 PM
CNU isnt going anywhere in the time being, I can tell you that for sure. As for SU, I think they may have been asked too, but because of football, I doubt they will make that jump.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2006, 02:10:43 PM
That would give the CAC the following football programs: Christopher Newport, Gallaudet, Salisbury, Shenandoah and Wesley. Villa Julie is deep into the process of investigating football. And Frostburg State could make seven. Even if Frostburg weren't invited into the league as a whole, it could be an affiliate member for football.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 18, 2006, 01:13:57 PM
Narch...Eric Maynor from Fayateville NC. Rising Sophomore. From the VCU website:

General: Talented point guard...Strong passer and shooter...Valuable leader on the floor.

Personal: Lettered for four years in basketball at Westover High School...State runner-up during senior season...Most Outstanding Player in state championship game...Eastern Regional MVP...District and conference player of the year...Averaged 18 points and nine assists during senior campaign...Undecided on major...Son of George Maynor and Barbara Johnson...Born June 11, 1987

You have no idea who he is?????  How did you let this guy slip from your memory bank???????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 19, 2006, 10:10:59 PM
'85 - maynor dropped off my radar screen...he's a legit d1 player and he won't end up at any d3...unless it's cnu :) - as an aside, fred mcdonald, mc rising soph, schooled him pretty good when they were seniors

the vcu guy enrolled at mc this spring, but didn't ball - he was a recruited walk-on at vcu...played some as a frosh, not at all as a soph before transferring after 3 semesters - unbelievably bright, but a bit small

ralph, i think the usasac would be ok with a su defection since they have 8, but my fear would be that a su defection would lead to a cnu defection...the cac that pat speaks of makes a lot of sense, and i think vjc will add football...then the usasac is vulnerable - i would speculate that if su and cnu left for the cac, you would see the usasac gobble up m'ville and lagrange, and probably piedmont, too (lots of ties to the usasac there, despite no football) - i think the usasac would be a stronger all-sports conference without su (can't say the same if cnu left) and with m'ville, lagrange and piedmont, but i'd hate to see su go
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 19, 2006, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: narch on July 19, 2006, 10:10:59 PM

ralph, i think the usasac would be ok with a su defection since they have 8, but my fear would be that a su defection would lead to a cnu defection...the cac that pat speaks of makes a lot of sense, and i think vjc will add football...then the usasac is vulnerable - i would speculate that if su and cnu left for the cac, you would see the usasac gobble up m'ville and lagrange, and probably piedmont, too (lots of ties to the usasac there, despite no football) - i think the usasac would be a stronger all-sports conference without su (can't say the same if cnu left) and with m'ville, lagrange and piedmont, but i'd hate to see su go

Narch, let's put on our President/Athletic Director's hats.  Why not just take the entire GSAC?  You could have north and south divisions for the 9 (5 USAC + 4 GSAC) men's and 15 (8 USAC + 7 GSAC) women's schools after the departure of SU and CNU under this scenario.

The NCAA is now exploring AQ's for Cross Country, Tennis and Golf.  These numbers really strengthen all of the programs.  If you "choreographed" the additions and exits, the USAC might not lose its AQ in any season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on July 20, 2006, 11:24:09 AM
I  hear tennis is already a go for next year for an AQ. USA South went to the team format this year in preparation for that AQ for 07.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 20, 2006, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 19, 2006, 10:58:08 PM
Narch, let's put on our President/Athletic Director's hats.  Why not just take the entire GSAC?  You could have north and south divisions for the 9 (5 USAC + 4 GSAC) men's and 15 (8 USAC + 7 GSAC) women's schools after the departure of SU and CNU under this scenario.

The NCAA is now exploring AQ's for Cross Country, Tennis and Golf.  These numbers really strengthen all of the programs.  If you "choreographed" the additions and exits, the USAC might not lose its AQ in any season.
i'm not really digging the imbalance in the north/south division with 9 & 15...how 'bout we leave the furthest gsac school to twist in the wind as an independent :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2006, 12:38:26 AM
Quote from: narch on July 20, 2006, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 19, 2006, 10:58:08 PM
Narch, let's put on our President/Athletic Director's hats.  Why not just take the entire GSAC?  You could have north and south divisions for the 9 (5 USAC + 4 GSAC) men's and 15 (8 USAC + 7 GSAC) women's schools after the departure of SU and CNU under this scenario.

The NCAA is now exploring AQ's for Cross Country, Tennis and Golf.  These numbers really strengthen all of the programs.  If you "choreographed" the additions and exits, the USAC might not lose its AQ in any season.
i'm not really digging the imbalance in the north/south division with 9 & 15...how 'bout we leave the furthest gsac school to twist in the wind as an independent :)

The negotiations with the GSAC then get interesting. I wonder if Maryville and/or LaGrange would bolt and break up the GSAC, with its women's AQ's, for the long travel to USAC venues.

Leaving out Huntingdon, gives 5 USAC men's and 8 USAC women's (if/when CNU and Shenandoah go separate ways) and only 3 men and 6 women's GSAC teams to join.  Does the GSAC hold with its solidarity and say "all or none"?

Does Maryville leave its dominant positions in the GSAC to travel long distances in the USAC for the non-football sports?  Maryville doesn't have golf.

Why would LaGrange give up its Pool B status in Golf for long travels in a single division men's USAC?  Of course, only 5 teams, the USAC men are no longer recognized as an official conference.  Of course the new Pool (AQ's) in golf should be very interesting!

Piedmont doesn't have football.  And you want them anyway?

The more I think about it, having the USAC Men's North with AU, FC, GC, Methodist and NCWC plus the new USAC South composed of HC, LaGrange, Murvul and Piedmont, and...

the USAC Women with Mary Baldwin, Meredith and Peace, plus  AU, FC, GC, Methodist and NCWC in the USAC North and Agnes Scott, Spelman, Wesleyan (GA), HC, LaGrange, Murvul and Piedmont in the new GSAC South makes sense.

With a similar compostion, the ASC takes the top half of the schools in each division into the conference championships.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 21, 2006, 07:23:45 AM
I keep saying that the USASouth would be hard pressed to take any team(s) out of the current GSAC except Maryville and Piedmont.  The key question is will the GSAC four (MC, HC, PC, LC) continue to stick together or will they begin to look out for their own interests?  It will be interesting to observe the dynamics ::)

 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 21, 2006, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2006, 12:38:26 AM
Of course the new Pool (AQ's) in golf should be very interesting!
not sure what's happening with the aq's in golf, but i'll be willing to bet it has little impact on gc and mc getting invites to the national tournament...if it does, the system is SEVERLY flawed

Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2006, 12:38:26 AMPiedmont doesn't have football.  And you want them anyway?
yes...proximity, solid soccer, solid softball, solid baseball, solid hoops, solid tennis, solid golf (and women's golf, something no other usasac school has), solid academics...they would be a nice addition - the "new usasac" would have 7 football teams, anyway (au, fc, gc, mc, ncwc, m'ville, lc), so it wouldn't need another football school

Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2006, 12:38:26 AMThe more I think about it, having the USAC Men's North with AU, FC, GC, Methodist and NCWC plus the new USAC South composed of HC, LaGrange, Murvul and Piedmont, and...
i'd be all for adding hc if you could find an answer to your... - do you have any suggestions, 'cause i don't see much that fits geographically and would be realistic - would oglethorpe leave the scac for this newly formed conference?

this is all great speculation, but somehow i just don't think that it will come to fruition...i could be wrong though :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2006, 09:36:58 AM
Narch, thanks for the responses.

It looks like the real answer is whether the GSAC can hold together, especially with the women and their AQ as the key feature.

I think that Oglethrope likes the company with which they are running, even tho' they are
(1) only one of 3 not playing football,
(2) the only non-Phi Beta Kappa school and
(3) the school with the lowest endowment (less than 50% of the endowment of the number 11 school).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 21, 2006, 10:39:40 AM
Ralph, this is what I see in the year or two:

1. Maryville and Piedmont going to the USASouth (regardless if both CNU and SU stay or go).

2. Agnes Scott and Spelman going to the SCAC (I know this will be 14 teams but they fit the SCAC academic profile and will keep Oglethorpe company in Atlanta).  Plus I can see DePauw leaving the SCAC sometime soon...

3. Wesleyan, Huntingdon and maybe LaGrange going D3 independent (this will only occur as a last resort and only if 1 occurs first).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 21, 2006, 11:25:44 PM
honestly, i don't think any of this happens...i think the usasac will retain su and cnu (at least i hope they do)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 22, 2006, 11:52:39 AM
Check out this article from today's Daily Times.  I already posted it on the GSAC Board.  Very interesting, may not have been a wise decision to push Fisk out of the GSAC afterall.  Reminds me of cutting your nose to spite your face... 

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/261573
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 23, 2006, 09:01:26 AM
There is a story/rumor/speculation going around that Lambert will take (or at least try to take) his Maryville Scots to the USA South and leave the rest of the GSAC to hang in the wind to fend for themselves .... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 23, 2006, 01:29:27 PM
William:  A rumor going around where?  There are people who think democracy has come ti Iraq....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 24, 2006, 07:42:28 AM
You mean to tell me there isn't a democracy in Iraq? 

Next thing you will tell me is that Santa Claus isn't real ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 24, 2006, 11:07:10 AM
Or that D1 athletics is amateur.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 24, 2006, 03:56:26 PM
This is the same old rumor stuff that has been flying around for years.  We are in fact getting to the point of the night where it is time to find someone to take home and we find ourselves on the men's side looking very paniced.  Sometimes this is when bad decisions are made that you wake up the next morning and regret with all your being.  I think the North/South with two games in your division and one with each team out of the other division works.  Alternate home sites so over two years it is as fair as it can be.  I would need 7 Saturdays to play the north and Maryville which would fit in Jan - Feb. Top two from each division goes to conference tournament.  Why don't we just take a vote on here and pass it in to action.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2006, 08:44:30 PM
Is that seven Saturdays even if you do two games on one overnight trip, either Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 25, 2006, 07:18:18 AM
I am not very familiar with location besides Methodist.  If that was something that could be done without traveling three hours or more after the first game and everyone was playing in that fashion then it would be an option but if you didn't have to do it, why would you.  That would only be 3 road games one year and 2 the following.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 25, 2006, 07:31:17 AM
That's a fine proposal for basketball Coach Haynes but what about the other sports?

As far as the GSAC is concerned, it has had several opportunities to grow, but has passed them up in their infinite collective wisdom. 

Stillman & Fisk are now gone and the GSAC leadership declined membership to Thomas More a couple of years ago.  That's 7 coed schools and an automatic bid right there that has slipped through their fingers. 

Now many are panicking (IMHO due to lack of leadership and vision) and now they (the GSAC ADs) are desperately talking about a merger with the USA South which poses more travel problems/hurdles than Thomas More would have provided in the GSAC if they had been allowed to join. 

Go figure...   Just my commentary...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 25, 2006, 08:45:08 AM
Quote from: coachwgh on July 24, 2006, 03:56:26 PM
...I think the North/South with two games in your division and one with each team out of the other division works.  Alternate home sites so over two years it is as fair as it can be.  I would need 7 Saturdays to play the north and Maryville which would fit in Jan - Feb. Top two from each division goes to conference tournament.  Why don't we just take a vote on here and pass it in to action.

With the travel distances in the ASC, the East and West play basketball as Coach Haynes has suggested, interdivision single games and intra-division double round robin.  They play on Thursdays and Saturdays in a travel partner arrangement so the travel to the next venue is only about 3 hours, (with exceptions like Sul Ross State and Howard Payne or Austin College and University of the Ozarks.  The ASC only has coed schools tho'.)  Some years, they have considered all games towards the division championship.  Other years they have played the full 22-games conference schedule but only considered division games towards the division championship and championship tourney.

In soccer they have played a Friday/Saturday travel partner format, single round robin conference, (currently without divisions) and 6 of the 13 teams going to the tourney.

In baseball, it is a Friday 9-inning game and then a Saturday 9-inning/7 inning DH in the Division format with inter-division "Cross-over" games thrown in.  Last year, the Crossover game did not count. 

Softball is 2 DH's on Friday Saturday, but necessarily pairing the same schools.  There is an season-opening  tourney at a neutral field in Irving, and the top 2 teams go to the post-season tourney.

The ASC Presidents expanded (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0304/40603tournaments-expansion.htm) the post-season tourneys from the top 2 from each division to the top 4 for the 2004-05 year, with great success. 

I think that the merger, or more accurately, the expansion of the USAC (to keep the AQ without losing 2 years as seen with the Lake Michigan/NIIC merger) is the best choice for both conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 25, 2006, 09:03:20 AM
Ralph that sounds like it may just work out...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on July 25, 2006, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: wilburt on July 25, 2006, 07:31:17 AM
Stillman & Fisk are now gone and the GSAC leadership declined membership to Thomas More a couple of years ago.  That's 7 coed schools and an automatic bid right there that has slipped through their fingers. 

Now many are panicking (IMHO due to lack of leadership and vision) and now they (the GSAC ADs) are desperately talking about a merger with the USA South which poses more travel problems/hurdles than Thomas More would have provided in the GSAC if they had been allowed to join. 


I never did understand the rejection of Thomas More. They had good facilities and seemed to be a class operation. We made the trip up there a couple of years ago. It was a haul, but it wasn't that far ... and it was an easy trip, interstate almost the entire way.

Seems to me, the GSAC missed an opportunity. I would love to hear the rational for their rejection.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 25, 2006, 01:08:16 PM
I don't know enough about the other sports to make suggestions on scheduling.  Thomas More just wasn't a good fit.  They are mostly commuter, 8 hours from us, and a lot of their administrative choices didn't jive with those of our conference.  I miss playing them but I don't miss driving to N. KY. 

An occuring theme in some of the posts are that if there is a merger somewhere, HC and LC may get left out.  I think that is a real possibility due to our geography.  It doesn't really matter we will still play the same people and to get to the tournament will take the same requirements.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GSAC Killer on July 25, 2006, 04:35:33 PM
How about a possibility of Lagrange, Maryville, Huntingdon, Piedmont, Ogelthorpe, and Thomas More... That would be a pretty good league.. I would also include Emory.. And I would make it happen where I would get Fisk back in it to make it an 8 team league and an automatic birth to the NCAA.. Just an idea
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 25, 2006, 04:57:47 PM
Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 25, 2006, 04:35:33 PM
How about a possibility of Lagrange, Maryville, Huntingdon, Piedmont, Ogelthorpe, and Thomas More... That would be a pretty good league.. I would also include Emory.. And I would make it happen where I would get Fisk back in it to make it an 8 team league and an automatic birth to the NCAA.. Just an idea
I don't think Emory would be interested.  Geographically, they are there, but academically I think they like their fit with the UAA.  Besides, they have the endowment to put their athletes on a plane and fly them to Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, NYC, Pittsburgh, Rochester and St. Louis.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Lil Rb on July 25, 2006, 05:39:58 PM
Highlander, if you are not going to talk about basketball, please do not insult ANYONE on this board with your talk of maryville football, and for the sake of both programs, never mention the Maryville College football program.  And now the only real program (since bell left) in the same sentence again.  No disrespect, but it is not fair TO YOU and unrealistic to think that you could get support for a team where the coaching staff is a revolving door, like the support that is given to a program and a TRADITION OF EXCELLENCE that has been built over 25 years.  Hail to Lambert.  Help to Ierulli  :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 25, 2006, 11:58:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 25, 2006, 08:45:08 AMI think that the merger, or more accurately, the expansion of the USAC (to keep the AQ without losing 2 years as seen with the Lake Michigan/NIIC merger) is the best choice for both conferences.

am i missing something or do you mean it's best for both conferences if su or cnu leave the usasac, 'cause honestly, i don't know why ANY merger would be best for the usasac without defections of current schools...now maybe you know something i don't, ralph...care to let us in on the secret?

and since when did this become the gsac board :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2006, 12:26:41 AM
Quote from: narch on July 25, 2006, 11:58:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 25, 2006, 08:45:08 AMI think that the merger, or more accurately, the expansion of the USAC (to keep the AQ without losing 2 years as seen with the Lake Michigan/NIIC merger) is the best choice for both conferences.

am i missing something or do you mean it's best for both conferences if su or cnu leave the usasac, 'cause honestly, i don't know why ANY merger would be best for the usasac without defections of current schools...now maybe you know something i don't, ralph...care to let us in on the secret?

and since when did this become the gsac board :)

Narch, actually I don't know anything.  I still maintain that the USAC makes themselves stronger by adding schools.  I can imagine the vulnerabililty that many conferences feel with the shuffling that is occurring.  When the MAC Commonwealth and MAC Freedom can be shaken so dramatically, what does it say about mere mortals like the USAC?   ;) :D  After all, wasn't the "Dixie" appellation shed to make the conference more inviting?

I can see three variables for the USAC:

1)  Does the USAC feel the need to add more men's schools?

They have added three more women's schools and a football affiliate in the last few years and "kicked out" another, ostensibly to become a stronger conference.

2)  Does Shenandoah see "mission and vision" opportunities in the Capital AC or other conferences?  Or geographic realignments for Shenandoah and maybe CNU?

Even now, Shenandoah in Winchester is a lot closer to the Capital AC than to Methodist or NCWC.  Shenandoah is also closer to Wesley (DE) than to any North Carolina school.  Geography must be a big consideration.

3)  How will the GSAC hold together?  I wonder if Maryville will bolt the GSAC or lead the GSAC into the USAC.

I think that the Maryville leadership at the top of the GSAC will be the difference.  I also think the GSAC is stronger as a whole, i.e., all 4 men and all 7 women's schools.  Furthermore when would the GSAC add NAIA or NCCAA schools in Georgia, Tennessee  or Alabama?  It would seem not for a decade, considering the moratorium and the provisional timeframes.

I am not advocating the departure of Shenandoah or CNU, but you don't know what the Presidents in the Capital AC may be offering to those schools, if anything at all.  I think that the overall dynamic in D3 is to grow bigger and use the division formats to consolidate yourself and your conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 26, 2006, 08:05:41 AM
3)  How will the GSAC hold together?  I wonder if Maryville will bolt the GSAC or lead the GSAC into the USAC.

I think that the Maryville leadership at the top of the GSAC will be the difference.  I also think the GSAC is stronger as a whole, i.e., all 4 men and all 7 women's schools.  Furthermore when would the GSAC add NAIA or NCCAA schools in Georgia, Tennessee  or Alabama?  It would seem not for a decade, considering the moratorium and the provisional timeframes.
Quote

What leadership at Maryville Ralph?  You all know my thoughts about Mr. Lambert.  I need not repeat them here.  You even have his own hometown writer questioning his decision making/judgment regarding GSAC affairs.

Barring a miracle the GSAC is dead in two years and Maryville will bolt to the USA South with or without the rest of the GSAC schools!

Narch is absolutely correct though.  What incentive does the USA South have to add all 7 GSAC schools (go to 2 divisions) and to add to its travel budget?  All they (USA South) need is one more school perhaps two out of the GSAC at best.  They don't need the rest to ensure their AQ...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2006, 09:05:44 AM
Quote from: wilburt on July 26, 2006, 08:05:41 AM
3)  How will the GSAC hold together?  I wonder if Maryville will bolt the GSAC or lead the GSAC into the USAC.

I think that the Maryville leadership at the top of the GSAC will be the difference.  I also think the GSAC is stronger as a whole, i.e., all 4 men and all 7 women's schools.  Furthermore when would the GSAC add NAIA or NCCAA schools in Georgia, Tennessee  or Alabama?  It would seem not for a decade, considering the moratorium and the provisional timeframes.
Quote

What leadership at Maryville Ralph?  You all know my thoughts about Mr. Lambert.  I need not repeat them here.  You even have his own hometown writer questioning his decision making/judgment regarding GSAC affairs.

Baring a miracle the GSAC is dead in two years and Maryville will bolt to the USA South with or without the rest of the GSAC schools!

Narch is absolutely correct though.  What incentive does the USA South have to add all 7 GSAC schools (go to 2 divisions) and to add to its travel budget?  All they (USA South) need is one more school perhaps two out of the GSAC at best.  They don't need the rest to ensure their AQ...

Wilburt, you make a strong case for Maryville bolting.  One then wonders how fondly Maryville would be viewed as a future opponent by its former GSAC colleagues.  Moving Maryville from Pool B to a Pool A conference definitely makes is easier for the remaining  members in the GSAC to get a Pool B bid in all sports, but especially basketball.

Another question, were the issues at Fisk cited by the GSAC a "GSAC thing" or more a "Maryville thing"?  Might Fisk and the "Maryville-less" GSAC re-consider their relationship?  That would keep the GSAC a Pool A women's conference.

I see that Shenandoah is extremely attractive to the Capital AC and vice versa.  SU can cut their travel budget as well by moving to the north.  Once again, the mission/vision thing will be weighed against geographical implications.

Our experience in the ASC is that the larger membership in a division format has been better.  We have weathered the departure of 2 schools.  We have had a buffer when Concordia-Austin's women did not "make" a soccer team one year.

Finally we, the ASC, have "lost" an AQ that we might have had on some sports by splitting into 7 and 8 member conferences in basketball, baseball and softball.  But we have enough members for a championship in M&W Track and Field, and an AQ for both men's and women's soccer, football, volleyball, men's and women's golf and men's, mens' and women's tennis, and  men's and women's cross country. Our fifteen members just don't offer the same number of specific sports.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 26, 2006, 09:45:30 AM
IMHO, Ralph I think the issues with Fisk was made into a "GSAC thing" primarily because it was driven by a "Maryville thing" and Mr. Lambert's issues with Fisk/Dr. Glover.

Keep in mind that Mr. Lambert was the driving force behind the creation of the GSAC because 1) Maryville bolted from the ODAC in the late 80s and were not allowed to rejoin and 2) Maryville's attempt to join the SCAC was flatly rejected. 

So this (the GSAC) was a way for Maryville to schedule the required number of South region opponents so as to qualify for a Pool B bid in their respective sports.  Some have cynically speculated that Mr. Lambert never really wanted the GSAC to get an AQ for the men's teams because he was virtually assured of getting a Pool B Bid even if he didn't win the GSAC basketball tourney like in 2003 and 2006.

Finally, I don't think Fisk will reconsider a Maryville-less GSAC.  I think Fisk will probably rejoin the SIAC and go D2 in a few years like Stillman.  I have found Historically Black Colleges like Fisk, Stillman, Rust and Lincoln have for the most part had a frustrating time in D3 (difficulty scheduling opponents and the like) that I see why former GSAC member Stillman bolted to D2 and current D3 independent Lincoln U will be doing the same after this season. 

It's just not worth the headache...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: njlincolnlion on July 26, 2006, 10:15:02 AM
wilburt:

You are right on point with the scheduling for independents.  Although, Lincoln has a 45-12 records over the last two years under Coach Yuille, those road trips were tough!  The Lions had a few home games at the end of the season, but it was "a tough road to hoe".

Lincoln is grateful for the R-MC and Richard Stockton's for the home & home games, but the Lions participated in about six tournaments in order to get games to satisfy postseason considerations.

Go luck to FISK.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 26, 2006, 10:51:40 AM
Wilburt my friend:  I have to say that the vast majority of your opinions of Randy Lambert are not based on any evidence (or at least on any evidence you have shared) and that placing a lot of weight on the journalistic skills of one reporter for one (small town) newspaper does not create much of a foundation for your anti-Maryville musings.



Narch:  Sorry for the GSAC stuff here but some of it may be relevant to the USA South as things develop.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 26, 2006, 11:09:57 AM
Ralph asked for my opinion/thoughts and I merely gave it to him Doug. 

Likewise, Doug my friend, I must say that you have not shared with me much evidence to make me change my opinion of Mr. Lambert.

Narch: I too am sorry for the GSAC stuff but with Maryville and Piedmont heading towards the USA South it is relevant background info  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 26, 2006, 03:04:10 PM
William:  I do not object to your offering your opinion.  It was the opinion itself!

I guess I did not understand that it is the role of the accused and his/her friends to disprove unsubstantiated accusations....  Or does the burden of proof only apply in court?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on July 26, 2006, 05:03:06 PM
someone sounds like they are taking losses on the court a little too personal, it is just a game, so maryville beats you everytime, not a big deal, we are all there to get an education, not fight a war b/c we can't beat you in basketball
i think a great point about fisk athletics would be one about commitment, look at your facilities, if you were committed to having a quality athletic program then you would make the commitment to have clean well maintained athletic facilites (more than just the gym) and your players would not show up in uniforms that did not match like they did in the late 90s


in summary,
LET IT GO
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 26, 2006, 09:30:31 PM
one thing is for sure...if the gsac and usasac did merge, the message board would get more active :)

ralph, i understand why the cac would be attractive to su from a geography standpoint, but i just don't think they'll bolt unless the cac becomes a viable football conference...if the cac adds football and it becomes apparent that su and or cnu could make 7 (or 8), then the usasac could see the exodus of both su and cnu and cua could bolt odac football for the cac...then i'd like to see mc and one other (gc, maybe or...dare i say...maryville?) join the odac :) - mc is a much better fit for the odac from an academics standpoint, from an enrollment standpoint, and from a facilities standpoint in my opinion - THEN all the women's colleges need to form the sewcc (southeast women's college conference), THEN the remaining usasac and gsac schools could merge (and invite fisk if they wanted) :)

i've got this thing figured out :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 26, 2006, 10:31:54 PM
Yes, perhaps there should be a straight trade -- the remaining GSAC co-ed schools to the USAC for the women's schools.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2006, 10:43:16 PM
narch,

Re: post  #1528.

I will bet that the Presidents consider that option as well!

I think that both Huntingdon adn LaGrange become football powers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 26, 2006, 10:56:24 PM
I knew this would be a good thread. 

Narch, how would you characterize the differences between the ODAC and the USASAC re academics, enrollment, and facilities?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 27, 2006, 07:39:40 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on July 26, 2006, 05:03:06 PM
i think a great point about fisk athletics would be one about commitment, look at your facilities, if you were committed to having a quality athletic program then you would make the commitment to have clean well maintained athletic facilites (more than just the gym) and your players would not show up in uniforms that did not match like they did in the late 90s
in summary,
LET IT GO

I think a great point about Maryville academics would be one about commitment.  Look at your academics, if you were committed to having a quality academic program then you would make the commitment to obtain a PBK chapter and increase your graduation rate and your students (more than just a few) would go on to fine graduate and professional schools at a higher percentage or possibly even compete for a Fulbright or a Rhodes Scholarship in this century,

in summary,
LET IT GO  :D
   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: coachwgh on July 27, 2006, 08:58:55 AM
Fisk's departure was an all sports except basketball thing not any particular school. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 27, 2006, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: narch on July 26, 2006, 09:30:31 PM
one thing is for sure...if the gsac and usasac did merge, the message board would get more active :)

ralph, i understand why the cac would be attractive to su from a geography standpoint, but i just don't think they'll bolt unless the cac becomes a viable football conference...if the cac adds football and it becomes apparent that su and or cnu could make 7 (or 8), then the usasac could see the exodus of both su and cnu and cua could bolt odac football for the cac...then i'd like to see mc and one other (gc, maybe or...dare i say...maryville?) join the odac :) - mc is a much better fit for the odac from an academics standpoint, from an enrollment standpoint, and from a facilities standpoint in my opinion - THEN all the women's colleges need to form the sewcc (southeast women's college conference), THEN the remaining usasac and gsac schools could merge (and invite fisk if they wanted) :)

i've got this thing figured out :)
Personally, I just don't see the ODAC giving the other GC (Greensboro) an invitation.  Yes, it makes a lot of sense geographically, especially for the Saturday/Sunday basketball and baseball weekends if combined with Guilford, but I just don't think some of the ODAC members see Greensboro as a good fit in other ways - same with Ferrum and Averett.  W&L, for example, already complains about an "uneven playing field" in football and basketball within the ODAC and there are already some pretty good schools in the conference.  First, I see the ODAC pushing Roanoke, Lynchburg and even Va. Wesleyan to start football teams if they lose some members (I don't think EMU will consider football from a philosophical standpoint).  Of course, if conference alignments start changing in rapid order, then all bets are out the window and it may become every man for himself.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 27, 2006, 11:04:59 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on July 26, 2006, 10:56:24 PM
I knew this would be a good thread. 

Narch, how would you characterize the differences between the ODAC and the USASAC re academics, enrollment, and facilities?

academics - most of the odac schools have very strong academic reputations and boast average gpa & sat scores that are higher than those of most usasac schools  - i did a spreadsheet that compared a number of academic areas generally measured by us news  (which is, admittedly, an extremely flawed publication) for usasac & odac schools which was lost with a recent computer crash, but it supported the odac "reputation" - among the private usasac schools, mc was very similar to some of the schools at the "bottom end" of the odac spectrum and was much closer to them than they were to most of the usasac schools - additionally, mc offers a diversity of academic programs that is more comprehensive than most of the other usasac schools and more similar to the offerings at a number of the odac schools

enrollment - the odac schools tend to be somewhat larger than the usasac schools - using enrollment data from d3hoops.com (which isn't entirely accurate, but still gives a general idea of relative size), there are no odac schools smaller than 1001 students (ehc) and all but vwc, hsc and ehc are between 1300 and 1917 students - in the usasac gc and fc are under 1000 students and only mc (1676) and su (1327) and cnu (over 5000) are larger than 1300

facilities - when i talk facilities, i'm talking overall campus facilities - i've heard most odac athletic facilities are on par with, or worse than the majority of the usasac athletic facilities, but the same cannot be said for the rest of their campuses...the odac schools have impressive campus facilities - while the mc campus is not one of traditional ivy covered architecture, there has been a construction boom going on in the last 10-15 years which has added approximately 12-15 buildings to the campus - other than cnu (and mpossibly su), i don't think any other usasac school can boast of such facilities growth

keep in mind that these are just one person's opinions and they aren't necessarily completely accurate opinions, at that :)

also keep in mind that, as a fan, i am NOT in favor of any change in the membership of the usasac unless it is necessary because of defections by current members - i think we've got a very good athletic conference comprised of solid schools and there's no need to tip the apple cart, even WITH a public school in the conference :) (that was for you, '85 & goose...old arguments die hard)

edit: for the purpose of the academic arguments, i think it's only fair to leave out w&l...they're in a league of their own, academically - if there is ANY school that should be looking to re-align, it's them - not sure where they would fit (the uaa schools match up from a selectivity standpoint, but they're mostly research university's, right?)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2006, 02:06:29 AM
Our numbers are the numbers of full-time undergraduates that schools report to the federal government. I would hope they're accurate.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 28, 2006, 10:30:29 AM
I think Narch gave a pretty good assessment of some of the differences between the ODAC and the USASAC.   I will say up front that I am a graduate of an ODAC school, but I will try to keep my discussion as objective as possible.

In my personal travels and as a former college athlete, I have actually visited most of the ODAC and USASAC schools.  There are a couple of exceptions to every rule, of course, but I think generally speaking the ODAC schools have more of a "wow" factor about their campuses.  This is a reflection of their locations, their longevity, their history and, of course, their generally larger endowments.

Athletic facilities are a mixture.  Sometimes an ODAC school is better and sometimes a USASAC school is better.  When comparing the two schools I know best (because I live in Greensboro), I would have to give the edge to Guilford over Greensboro.   Greensboro has to play many of their sporting events at city-owned facilities because they do not have on-site venues.  They have a decent soccer/lacrosse field, but Hanes Gym is very small.  To be fair to Greensboro College, however, they have some space restrictions in their central-city urban setting.  Guilford, on the other hand, is in a western Greensboro residential area and they have over 300 acres.   For me, part of the pleasure of going to away games in the ODAC is walking through the other team's campus.  I may want to beat them on the playing field, but I always come away with a deep appreciation for their beautiful campuses and academic facilities.

Academically, and I think others will back me up, the ODAC is generally stronger.  As Narch mentioned, W&L is a tier one school in admissions and endowment, but the rest of the ODAC schools are also consistently mentioned in all the yearly reviews done by the US News & World Report, the Princeton Review, and other published rankings.  The "worst" ODAC school probably has an average SAT score in the 1050 range, while most of them are in the mid-1100's, 1200's and even 1300's.  For the ACT, expect to see most ODAC schools consistently above 23 with many 25 and up.  Contrarily, I see some of the USASAC schools (certainly not all) with average SAT scores in the 950 range and ACT scores of 19-20.  The ODAC schools send a higher percentage of students to graduate and professional schools and win other awards (Rhodes, Fulbright, etc.) with more frequency.  I would say all but one or two ODAC schools probably have larger endowments than their USASAC counterparts.  Again, chock this up to longevity and the munificence of their alumni.  There is some overlap, of course, when comparing this many schools (23), but I think most observers would have to say the generally accepted academic parameters are higher in the ODAC than in the USASAC.
 
From a tradition standpoint, I think the ODAC has more history.  W&L (named after George Washington and Robert E. Lee, for gosh sakes!) and Hampden-Sydney date to the Revolutionary War era, but many of the schools (with the exception of VWC) date to the first half of the 19th century.  Many of the movers and shakers in the colonial and antebellum (Civil War) history of the region are ODAC alumni.  President William Henry Harrison, for example, is an alumnus of Hampden-Sydney.  The Guilford campus is designated a National Historic Landmark.  I'm sure there are other examples, but those are some that quickly come to mind.  There are certainly some 19th century USASAC schools (Greensboro, for example), but most have more recent origins or have significantly changed their mission in the past 30 years.  Ferrum, for example, was elevated from JC status about 20 years ago and Averett was traditionally a college for women until 20-30 years ago.  When you think about "The Game" between HSC and RMC, now entering its 112th consecutive annual renewal,  the USASAC cannot compare.  Guilford, W&L, E&H and others have been playing football over 100 years.  With the exception of Ferrum and Maryville, most of the USASAC schools have only started football in the past 5-20 years.

This is just one man's point of view, so take it for what it's worth.  Peace.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 28, 2006, 11:07:53 AM
I appreciate the thoughtful responses to my question about the conferences.  You essentially confirmed what I thought but my ideas were not based on much real data.  I also do not know much about the GSAC school except Maryville, which I personally still regret having left the ODAC.  Still, the reasons as I understand them were related to how very far it is from Maryville to many of the ODAC schools.  It is partly money but also time away from class, which after all is rather important for schools serious about D3 athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 28, 2006, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 28, 2006, 10:30:29 AMGuilford...and others have been playing football over 100 years. 

you'd think after more than 100 years, the quackers would learn how to play football better than they have the last few :)

in all seriousness, i think most of your observations are spot on, especially those about longevity - it's amazing to me to think that a place like mc will celebrate the 50th anniversary of it's charter this year...most of the odac schools (and any other schools, for that matter) have been around twice as long, or longer - in many ways it makes what mc has been able to accomplish as an institution that much more incredible - i imagine 50 years into it's history (46 years with students) a school like w&l, even, was struggling to make it's way in higher education...of course, those were different times :)

the one thing i'd like to point out with all the talk of us news and averages, etc. is this...don't be fooled - while your alma mater and numerous other odac schools may have higher averages, they'll all reach down and take some kids you wouldn't imagine would get in given those averages, and some will give academic $$$$'s to those same kids - there are odac schools, with average gpa & sat scores higher than those at most, if not all, usasac schools that will give academic scholarships to students with a 2.5 or better gpa...say, lynchburg, for example - lc scholarship chart (http://www.lynchburg.edu/x606.xml) - i'm not saying it's wrong, but i wouldn't necessarily expect a school that reports an average sat and gpa that are above a 3.1 and a 1050 to give an academic scholarship to a student who clearly falls in the bottom portion of the class, right?...but it's right there in writing, so they must - i know someone who got over $15k in academic money at an odac school with a 2.7 gpa...i wondered if he would GET IN when he told me that he was considering the school, yet he got an academic scholarship covering over 1/2 of his expenses with a family that makes well into 6 figures - it was clearly an academic award when i read the letter - i'm not accusing any school of cheating or saying they shouldn't do these things, but it makes you wonder just how selective a school is when they'll give a 2.7 gpa that kind of academic $$$, doesn't it? - all in all, reputations are sometimes just that...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 29, 2006, 02:08:06 AM
Quote from: narch on July 28, 2006, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 28, 2006, 10:30:29 AMGuilford...and others have been playing football over 100 years. 

you'd think after more than 100 years, the quackers would learn how to play football better than they have the last few :)

in all seriousness, i think most of your observations are spot on, especially those about longevity - it's amazing to me to think that a place like mc will celebrate the 50th anniversary of it's charter this year...most of the odac schools (and any other schools, for that matter) have been around twice as long, or longer - in many ways it makes what mc has been able to accomplish as an institution that much more incredible - i imagine 50 years into it's history (46 years with students) a school like w&l, even, was struggling to make it's way in higher education...of course, those were different times :)

the one thing i'd like to point out with all the talk of us news and averages, etc. is this...don't be fooled - while your alma mater and numerous other odac schools may have higher averages, they'll all reach down and take some kids you wouldn't imagine would get in given those averages, and some will give academic $$$$'s to those same kids - there are odac schools, with average gpa & sat scores higher than those at most, if not all, usasac schools that will give academic scholarships to students with a 2.5 or better gpa...say, lynchburg, for example - lc scholarship chart (http://www.lynchburg.edu/x606.xml) - i'm not saying it's wrong, but i wouldn't necessarily expect a school that reports an average sat and gpa that are above a 3.1 and a 1050 to give an academic scholarship to a student who clearly falls in the bottom portion of the class, right?...but it's right there in writing, so they must - i know someone who got over $15k in academic money at an odac school with a 2.7 gpa...i wondered if he would GET IN when he told me that he was considering the school, yet he got an academic scholarship covering over 1/2 of his expenses with a family that makes well into 6 figures - it was clearly an academic award when i read the letter - i'm not accusing any school of cheating or saying they shouldn't do these things, but it makes you wonder just how selective a school is when they'll give a 2.7 gpa that kind of academic $$$, doesn't it? - all in all, reputations are sometimes just that...
narch - Yes, you'd think the Quakers would have figured it out by now.  lol  I've thought the same thing many, many times myself.  Here's a repeat of the haiku I wrote for Guilford football on d3football.com:

Win a game, lose two
Repeat one hundred autumns
Still time to run right

Everyone, including me, has a lot of pride in their alma mater.  The very literal translation of alma mater is, in fact, "nourishing mother."  People understandably defend their "mother" and I expect nothing less from you.  Methodist has, indeeed, accomplished a lot in a half century and your ardent support is both deserved and palpable.  In my earlier discussion, I openly said I was a graduate of an ODAC school, but I do think I tried to answer scottiedoug's query with facts and a reasonable amount of objectivity.  Taken as a whole, do I think the ODAC has an academic reputation that is generally accepted to be higher than the USASAC?  Yes, I do.  Do I say that only because I attended an ODAC school?  No, I do not.  I say it for the same reasons I think the UAA or the Centennial are stronger top to bottom than the ODAC - because the statistical and empirical data support it.  Are there many students at Methodist or any other school in the USASAC that could excel academically at the most prestigious schools?  Of course there are.  Are all students at Methodist or Ferrum (or Guilford for that matter) suited for the Ivy League?  No, they certainly are not.  I'm just saying you will find a higher percentage of such students in the ODAC than you will in the USASAC.

Now, with this being said, I am not so naive as to think that many schools, even those with stellar academic reputations, do not occasionally "pull a few strings" to get a good athlete past admissions and financial aid rules.  Sometimes, the desire to win (and the positive PR that can accompany it) clouds good judgment.  I won't comment about other schools, but I suspect it from time to time even at my alma mater.  While it may not technically be breaking the rules, it is certainly "bending" them and I, for one, wish it wasn't done.

Good luck to the Monarchs this season.  I hope you win them all except September 9th.  lol  Peace 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 31, 2006, 08:52:58 AM
Nice old article on USA South and Maryville football:

http://www.winchesterstar.com/TheWinchesterStar/030717/Sports_football.asp
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2006, 09:02:21 AM
Quote from: wilburt on July 31, 2006, 08:52:58 AM
Nice old article on USA South and Maryville football:

http://www.winchesterstar.com/TheWinchesterStar/030717/Sports_football.asp

The July 2003 timeline reminds me that Chowan was a member of the USAC then. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
I have read your discussion hasanova and narc and you both bring up valid points. 

I played football with a kid that went to an ODAC school, a great player, but as dumb as a box or rocks.  They take big risks on allowing those below standards acceptance.  He was out the next year.  Luckily for the ODAC their volume of students would hardly put a dent into their record of academics.  It might put a bigger dent in any USAS school, maybe in the USAS isn't willing to take that risk.

As far as facilites are concerned Greensboro is planning on putting up a state of the art facility soon or maybe 100 years haha.  It is an off campus facilty, I think because either GC doesn't have room for it on campus or because of GC being in a historical location, or both.  It will be nice to see.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
I have read your discussion hasanova and narc and you both bring up valid points. 

I played football with a kid that went to an ODAC school, a great player, but as dumb as a box or rocks.  They take big risks on allowing those below standards acceptance.  He was out the next year.  Luckily for the ODAC their volume of students would hardly put a dent into their record of academics.  It might put a bigger dent in any USAS school, maybe in the USAS isn't willing to take that risk.

As far as facilites are concerned Greensboro is planning on putting up a state of the art facility soon or maybe 100 years haha.  It is an off campus facilty, I think because either GC doesn't have room for it on campus or because of GC being in a historical location, or both.  It will be nice to see.

PrideSportBBallGuy- All schools (and the ODAC members are no exception) take "risks" with kids every fall.  Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.  Personally, I don't think a school should go too far in accepting marginal students because I think they are doing a disservice to the student, to his/her fellow students and the school as a whole.  I know it's done and I understand why it's done, but I still don't like it.  I was a really good high school student with the SAT score and GPA to back it up, but college was a shock to my system, especially my first year, so I can only imagine what it would be like for someone who was not well prepared academically and socially for college life.  They can get in over their head in a hurry, especially with the demands of playing an intercollegiate sport.

I've also heard that Greensboro College is talking about adding some new athletic facilities and I think that will be great.  GC really does have some serious space restrictions, so I'm not sure what options are being considered.   For now, they're lucky that Grimsley's Jameson Stadium (Jameson is a Guilford College alumnus by the way :)) is so close and is available on Saturdays, but they could use their own site.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2006, 12:39:24 PM
From that Star story:

QuoteLambert said his school had "the stepchild complex," because all of the other ODAC schools were in Virginia.

"But I don't think (that will happen in the USA South)," Lambert said. "I see it as more of a south region conference."

Meanwhile, last year the conference coaches voted Maryville would finish last. They finished sixth. This year they picked them sixth and I would be willing to bet they will outperform that selection as well.

Stepchild indeed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 01:41:29 PM
Maybe the coaches for basketball have a better idea of how to pick the preseason poll..and even I think I do a better job on the girls side. (But again basketball is my main focus..since I stopped playing football)  I haven't found a poll the coaches have done in the past for football that came out on point.

Anyway hasanova-

I agree again I was a good student in high school grades to show SAT above avg for USAS and right around the avg for the ODAC...but probably below the avg for ODAC schools.  I just don't think using gpa or SAT scores should be used to judge the conferences.  I would be willing to bet the avg SAT scores in NC are lower then the SAT scores in VA.  I know most students stay in state when going to college.  The scores should reflect that. Maybe the success is do in part of the huge alumni base from the ODAC...they can donate a little bit more money.  On the womens side basketball.  I was at the RMC-GC NCAA game.  There were more alumni at that game then students.  Which could contibute to all the other factors that including the state of facilities.

Being from MD..not the biggest football state by any means...seing 3A grimsley high school concrete stadium was a real ugrade for what I am used to seeing.  I can't even imagine greensboro doing that with a new field.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2006, 12:39:24 PM
From that Star story:

QuoteLambert said his school had "the stepchild complex," because all of the other ODAC schools were in Virginia.

"But I don't think (that will happen in the USA South)," Lambert said. "I see it as more of a south region conference."

Meanwhile, last year the conference coaches voted Maryville would finish last. They finished sixth. This year they picked them sixth and I would be willing to bet they will outperform that selection as well.

Stepchild indeed.

This complex exists.  Talk to Guilford, currently the only full membership school outside Virginia (Washington, DC's CUA is football only).  I realize another name for the conference might be unwieldy, but the even the name "Old Dominion" Athletic Conference contributes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on July 31, 2006, 02:07:12 PM
My, my: 

The St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference has 4 schools from Illinois as members. 

The Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference has such noted Southern schools as Colorado College and DePauw College as members.

I wonder if they feel like step-children too? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 02:08:57 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 01:41:29 PMAnyway hasanova-

I agree again I was a good student in high school grades to show SAT above avg for USAS and right around the avg for the ODAC...but probably below the avg for ODAC schools.  I just don't think using gpa or SAT scores should be used to judge the conferences.  I would be willing to bet the avg SAT scores in NC are lower then the SAT scores in VA.  I know most students stay in state when going to college.  The scores should reflect that. Maybe the success is do in part of the huge alumni base from the ODAC...they can donate a little bit more money.  On the womens side basketball.  I was at the RMC-GC NCAA game.  There were more alumni at that game then students.  Which could contibute to all the other factors that including the state of facilities.

Being from MD..not the biggest football state by any means...seing 3A grimsley high school concrete stadium was a real ugrade for what I am used to seeing.  I can't even imagine greensboro doing that with a new field.

PrideSportBBallGuy - I agree.  The SAT, ACT, GPAs, class rank, endowments, enrolments, percentage of students attending graduate school and other measurable parameters are "ways" to compare the conferences, but not the only important criteria.  There are also many intangible (and I might add, subjective) factors such as a college's mission statement, history, campus aesthetics and so forth that enter into the equation.  It is, after all, just a topic for friendly debate.  A debate, I also might add, that doesn't have to have a winner or a loser to be an interesting discussion.

Not sure about your statement "most students stay in state when going to college."  Probably true when you talk about state-supported schools or private schools with a more parochial mission, but Guilford for example, lists 69% of its 1289 current traditional age students as out-of-state (and 27 of those are international students).  I'm sure the numbers are comparable at most other ODAC schools.  Also with endowments, the earning power of the alumni certainly contributes.  I don't think it's any mystery that the Ivy League and NESCAC are in the hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars.  I would imagine this is reflected to a certain degree throughout all schools in America.

Jameson Stadium is big by HS (and DIII) standards. Unless, of course, you're from Friday Night Lights country in Odessa, TX.  There is the "Pride" factor of having a home you can call your own, however.   Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: wilburt on July 31, 2006, 02:07:12 PM
My, my: 

The St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference has 4 schools from Illinois as members. 

The Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference has such noted Southern schools as Colorado College and DePauw College as members.

I wonder if they feel like step-children too? 

Yeah, point taken, but we're talking about a conference named after one state (Old Dominion is Virginia) that has only one member from outside the state.  You cite two good examples, but the St. Louis metro area certainly extends into Illinois and, while DePauw and Colorado College are certainly not in the South, the name Southern, to me, signifies a much broader geographic scope than say, the Alabama Athletic Conference, to create a fictional affiliation.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 31, 2006, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2006, 12:39:24 PM
From that Star story:

QuoteLambert said his school had "the stepchild complex," because all of the other ODAC schools were in Virginia.

"But I don't think (that will happen in the USA South)," Lambert said. "I see it as more of a south region conference."

Meanwhile, last year the conference coaches voted Maryville would finish last. They finished sixth. This year they picked them sixth and I would be willing to bet they will outperform that selection as well.

Stepchild indeed.

pat - give us a preview of the kickoff preview...where do you think m'ville will finish in the usasac? given that they beat 2 teams with a combined one usasac victory (gc and su) last year, and those same 2 teams are picked below them, who would you pick them to upset?

mc was 6 points from the ncaa tournament (and having the services of a starting tb might have helped the cause), yet is picked to finish 4th? i doubt you'll hear any monarch fan say that it's because the monarchs are the "usasac stepchild"...it's tough to look at those 3 teams ahead of the monarchs and say conclusively that mc will beat them (even though they were 2-1 against them last year), just the same as it's difficult to say the m'ville will beat any of the teams ahead of them when there is so little historical data

i know it's a novel thought, but maybe the coaches just think that the 5 teams picked to finish ahead of m'ville are better?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 31, 2006, 02:34:08 PM
hasanova - i hope you didn't take offense to my diatribe re: odac reputations - i'm not implying that any odac school is even bending the rules (although i'm sure they do :)) - i just wonder how deserved a school's reputation is when they are giving a student with a 2.5 or a 2.7 gpa an academic scholarship - i think you can tell something about a school by how they dole out academic dollars...in my mind, a school that values a 2.7 gpa enough to hand him $15K of academic money either has way too much money to give away (not likely) or isn't attracting the quality of students that their reputation suggests they do (or more accurately, probably did, at one point)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2006, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 02:08:57 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 01:41:29 PM...

Jameson Stadium is big by HS (and DIII) standards. Unless, of course, you're from Friday Night Lights country in Odessa, TX.  There is the "Pride" factor of having a home you can call your own, however.   Peace
quote]

:)

hasanaova, Ratliff Stadium in Odessa is about the normal for the larger school districts (4A and 5A-- 4-yr enrollments over 900 students and 1800 students respectively)  in Texas.  Shotwell Stadium in Abilene, where McMurry played last year (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=296&page=1) and the Abilene Independent School District school Abilene HS and Cooper HS play, holds 15,000.  My kids' high school stadium hosted the first 24 Dallas Cup (http://www.dallascup.com/) competitions in International Youth Soccer.

I will agree.  Having a nice facility on campus is much prefereable to almost anything away from campus.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: narch on July 31, 2006, 02:34:08 PM
hasanova - i hope you didn't take offense to my diatribe re: odac reputations - i'm not implying that any odac school is even bending the rules (although i'm sure they do :)) - i just wonder how deserved a school's reputation is when they are giving a student with a 2.5 or a 2.7 gpa an academic scholarship - i think you can tell something about a school by how they dole out academic dollars...in my mind, a school that values a 2.7 gpa enough to hand him $15K of academic money either has way too much money to give away (not likely) or isn't attracting the quality of students that their reputation suggests they do (or more accurately, probably did, at one point)

Narch - No offense taken.  We all know some schools with otherwise lofty reputations that take athletes they shouldn't.  Does anyone here think Allen Iverson could be admitted to Georgetown without a good jumper (and that's debatable from my point of view!)?  If he's "The Answer," then we've run out of options!  lol  Sadly, even in DIII at times, amateur athletics is an oxymoron.  There is a balance you have to strike - without sports you don't get the media exposure you crave and you don't have another carrot to offer in order to attract potential students (as both participants, spectators and later alumni) - but sometimes you have to turn a blind eye to do it.   I think we all also know that winning sports teams can and do affect contributions to the college coffers.  It's a vicious cycle.

I'm a big guy.  To me, this discussion is just an academic exercise, not a polemic war.    People who have diatribes are just passionate debaters, not unthinking antagonists.  (that's a compliment, by the way lol)  I think I went to a very good school, but I certainly don't think I went to the very best school.  You're a fair man, I think you'll say the same about your alma mater and its conference.

Peace  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2006, 03:13:30 PM
Quote from: narch on July 31, 2006, 02:34:08 PM
hasanova - i hope you didn't take offense to my diatribe re: odac reputations - i'm not implying that any odac school is even bending the rules (although i'm sure they do :)) - i just wonder how deserved a school's reputation is when they are giving a student with a 2.5 or a 2.7 gpa an academic scholarship - i think you can tell something about a school by how they dole out academic dollars...in my mind, a school that values a 2.7 gpa enough to hand him $15K of academic money either has way too much money to give away (not likely) or isn't attracting the quality of students that their reputation suggests they do (or more accurately, probably did, at one point)

Narch I would look at the "scholarships" to those calibre students (2.5-2.7 GPA) as another name for "discounting".  Every college discounts their tuition for some reason, academic, athletic in other classifications, general merit, legacy, "leadership". 

I hope that the hard working student who earns every point fo that 2.7 GPA is inspired that schoalrship and does something with it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 03:15:26 PM
I don't know where this will fit, narch maybe ODAC looks for parents that are rich.  I know somebody that wasn't accepted into Duke (not the best example I know) but was very qualifed, somebody who was well below the standards but whose parents were rich got them into the school.  They must have rich alumni at ODAC schools haha ;D

I haven't found anything to disprove or prove my point about students staying in state.  I would have to agree with the state school, parochial school point you made though.  I did notice that RMC had on 32% out of state students.  Lets not forget community colleges as well contribute to the in state numbers.

I know on the girls side of basketball ODAC constanly beats up the USAS in basketball.  It might be the same for guys.  Which state has more talent.  There is a big talent battle in NC for players. Maybe ODAC has better luck.  I still think there should be ODAC-USAS challenge like the ACC-Big Ten



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 03:19:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2006, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 02:08:57 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 01:41:29 PM...

Jameson Stadium is big by HS (and DIII) standards. Unless, of course, you're from Friday Night Lights country in Odessa, TX.  There is the "Pride" factor of having a home you can call your own, however.   Peace

:)

hasanaova, Ratliff Stadium in Odessa is about the normal for the larger school districts (4A and 5A-- 4-yr enrollments over 900 students and 1800 students respectively)  in Texas.  Shotwell Stadium in Abilene, where McMurry played last year (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=296&page=1) and the Abilene Independent School District school Abilene HS and Cooper HS play, holds 15,000.  My kids' high school stadium hosted the first 24 Dallas Cup (http://www.dallascup.com/) competitions in International Youth Soccer.

I will agree.  Having a nice facility on campus is much prefereable to almost anything away from campus.

A friend of mine, who is a native Texan by the way, once told me there are two main sports in Texas:  football and spring football.  This was also coming from a man who allowed his son to be "redshirted" by repeating the 8th grade.  Yes, it's done!  With this in mind, I guess the parallel statement would have to be there are two types of preparatory school football:  High School football and Texas High School football! lol   In neighboring Oklahoma, I saw the football stadium for the Bombers of tiny Frederick.  Not only do they have enough seats for everyone in Tillman County, but everyone from the county they're playing plus the visiting press and out-of-town alumni!  You truly have to see it to believe it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2006, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: narch on July 31, 2006, 02:26:39 PM

mc was 6 points from the ncaa tournament (and having the services of a starting tb might have helped the cause), yet is picked to finish 4th? i doubt you'll hear any monarch fan say that it's because the monarchs are the "usasac stepchild"...it's tough to look at those 3 teams ahead of the monarchs and say conclusively that mc will beat them (even though they were 2-1 against them last year), just the same as it's difficult to say the m'ville will beat any of the teams ahead of them when there is so little historical data

i know it's a novel thought, but maybe the coaches just think that the 5 teams picked to finish ahead of m'ville are better?

Wow, talk about jumping off the deep end. A little overreaction, no? Why would Methodist even THINK it was the USAC stepchild anyway? Give me a break.  :-\

Although I am not doing the USAC preview personally for Kickoff, I think Maryville will beat Greensboro, Shenandoah and N.C. Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 03:15:26 PM
I don't know where this will fit, narch maybe ODAC looks for parents that are rich.  ... They must have rich alumni at ODAC schools haha ;D

I know on the girls side of basketball ODAC constanly beats up the USAS in basketball.  It might be the same for guys.  Which state has more talent.  There is a big talent battle in NC for players. Maybe ODAC has better luck.  I still think there should be ODAC-USAS challenge like the ACC-Big Ten

Hmm, often, in my experience, the better a school's academic reputation (and endowment, of course), the more easily it can take a "need blind" approach to admission.  If the colleges that accepted me had looked at my family's finances as a criterium for admission, I couldn't have gone anywhere!  lol

In my opinion, there are several obstacles to recruiting DIII athletes from within NC:  1) there are over fifty accredited 4-year colleges and universities in the state  2) sixteen of those 50+ schools offer the considerably lower in-state tuition of a state-supported school  3) these figures don't even take into account NC's 58 (I think) state-supported community colleges and technical schools, many of whom also offer intercollegiate sports.  4) relative to many other states, NC still has a median income in the lower tier - certainly not conducive to sending junior to a $30k school just so he can play DIII sports. 

A USASAC/ODAC challenge for basketball sounds like a good idea.  There are very few opportunities for out-of-conference play, however, so don't hold your breath.  There is a 25 game DIII limit to the regular season and the ODAC men already have 18 conference games and the ODAC women have 20.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 04:56:49 PM
I knew that there were alot of colleges in NC, but wasn't sure of the numbers. Thanks for clearing that up.

As for the ODAC/USASAC (As it should be called because ODAC would surely win it)  I have talked to the the ODAC President and said what you told me hasanova.  Scheduling conflicts.  I don't know where that fits in because some USAS teams already play ODAC teams once/twice already in most instances.  Greensboro women this past year played them twice (Guilford and E&H).  So I think holding my breath might not be the case.  Just DISTANCE.  I would have it set up in the same way too.  Top school from each conference plays each other so on and so forth
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 31, 2006, 04:56:49 PM
I knew that there were alot of colleges in NC, but wasn't sure of the numbers. Thanks for clearing that up.

As for the ODAC/USASAC (As it should be called because ODAC would surely win it)  I have talked to the the ODAC President and said what you told me hasanova.  Scheduling conflicts.  I don't know where that fits in because some USAS teams already play ODAC teams once/twice already in most instances.  Greensboro women this past year played them twice (Guilford and E&H).  So I think holding my breath might not be the case.  Just DISTANCE.  I would have it set up in the same way too.  Top school from each conference plays each other so on and so forth

Check this link:

http://secure.ncmentor.org/CompareView/default.asp

It's a bunch.  Here are the 4-year schools.  The schools with football (or about to start football) are noted with an asterisk:   Appalachian*, Barber-Scotia, Barton, Belmont Abbey, Bennett, Brevard*, Campbell*, Catawba*, Chowan*, Davidson*, Duke*, East Carolina*, Elizabeth City State*, Elon*, Fayetteville State*, Gardner-Webb*, Guilford*, Greensboro*, High Point, Johnson C. Smith*, Lees-McRae, Lenoir-Rhyne*, Livingstone*, Mars Hill*, Meredith, Methodist*, Montreat, Mount Olive, NC A&T*, NC Central*, NC School of the Arts, NCSU*, NC Wesleyan*, Peace, Pfeiffer, Queens, Saint Andrew's, Saint Augustine's*, Salem, Shaw*, UNC-A, UNC-C, UNC-CH*, UNC-G, UNC-P*, UNC-W, Wake Forest*, Warren Wilson, Western Carolina*, Wingate*, Winston-Salem State*
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 31, 2006, 09:39:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2006, 04:01:42 PM
Wow, talk about jumping off the deep end. A little overreaction, no? Why would Methodist even THINK it was the USAC stepchild anyway? Give me a break.  :-\

Although I am not doing the USAC preview personally for Kickoff, I think Maryville will beat Greensboro, Shenandoah and N.C. Wesleyan.

pat - i think you're reading a bit too much into my comments...i wasn't attacking you, simply using the monarchs being picked to finish 4th as a case in point on the other end of the spectrum - i think the usasac is very competetive this year and any team could win the championship (except gc, of course...that was for you mosh :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 31, 2006, 09:44:17 PM
nova - you left an asterisk off meredith, which is why the usasac so hotly pursued them to join the conference :)

on a serious note, with what the high point president is doing from a fund raising standpoint, i'd be willing to bet that football at hpu (maybe 1-aa non-scholarship...if they're smart) won't be far off...that guy wants to keep up with elon
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 31, 2006, 11:11:28 PM
Quote from: narch on July 31, 2006, 09:44:17 PM
nova - you left an asterisk off meredith, which is why the usasac so hotly pursued them to join the conference :)

on a serious note, with what the high point president is doing from a fund raising standpoint, i'd be willing to bet that football at hpu (maybe 1-aa non-scholarship...if they're smart) won't be far off...that guy wants to keep up with elon

If the Meredith Angels are picked to win the USASAC football title next year, now that's a story!  lol

Yeah, HPU once had football and I, like you, won't be a bit surprised if they don't restart it.  They have no competition in the city of High Point for fans and local talent and you're right, their President is on a mission.  He is on the news all the time in this area and his personality and spirit are contagious.  He's straight out of a 19th century Horatio Alger novel.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 08:40:26 AM
I sat down and really thought about this.  Thanks, for the numbers nova.  Alot of schools in NC.

The ODAC is better then the USASAC or:

NC is supposed be a huge hs basketball state.  Competition to get players really weens down the talent with all the billion schools competing for it.  The ODAC primarily a VA conference. (USASAC primarly NC southern VA conference) VA has the same talent to choose from, but the number of schools per captia is less.  Correct me If i am wrong. haha

In general the ODAC can take a larger risk on talented players that don't meet the academic requirements as much.  Is it cheating hard to say.  Since those schools are bigger they will have a lower percentage of athletes at the school.  It will hardly bring the numbers they report down.  The two largest schools in the USASAC women's basketball teams had the fewest number of that made the conference academic team.  Whereas some of the smallest like greensboro had the highest percetage.  Greensboro actually had the most of any school in the USASAC.  So i think admission personal have to take a closer look at smaller schools then the bigger schools.  They want those numbers to stay high.

Moral of the story: ODAC can take a bigger risk on players because of their size.  They may have more talent to choose from in VA.  If the USASAC makes there schools bigger and tries to find talent outside of NC.  They have a shot of competing at the level of the ODAC ;D. But neither conference is the best at all sports at the D-III level ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 09:51:03 AM
PrideSportBBallGuy -  You're welcome for the numbers.

I think the ODAC and the USASAC actually match up so well on the playing field that it's hard to separate the two in that regard.  In some sports (and some years), the ODAC is better.  In other sports and other years, I give the edge to the USASAC.  At any rate, they are probably forever intertwined with recruiting and scheduling.  If a kid lives in the Triad or Danville, he's going to get feelers from both conferences.  It's hard for an ODAC or USASAC school to ignore the cost savings of playing a school so geographically close as opposed to traveling 3 states away.  Interconference scheduling, I believe, is here to stay.

Guilford, for example, may have the best golf team, but I think USASAC has the stronger golf conference.  Bridgewater may have the best football team, but I think the USASAC has the stronger football conference.  VWC may have the best basketball team, but I think there are some other fine teams in the USASAC (and the ODAC, for that matter!).  I think there is some head-to-head evidence that the USASAC is the stronger baseball conference right now.  Granted, the USASAC only has a few lacrosse programs, but the ODAC is clearly stronger in this sport.

For now, and this is mostly anecdotal in its perspective, the ODAC and the USASAC are a little different.  I haven't researched it fully, but I bet the ODAC student body is more geographically diverse.  Currently, the ODAC schools appear to have an edge in academic reputation, size of enrolment and endowments, but the USASAC is a hot conference that's on the move. They're getting better all the time.   Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 01, 2006, 10:23:27 AM
Interesting discussion.

Perhaps the ODAC and USA South should merge  ???   

Talk about a super conference!!!

The new name could be the North Dominion Athletic Conference.  I know  :-X.  Just a thought...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 11:25:08 AM
haha I don't know about that super conference.  We better be well represented come NCAA Tourney time ;D

-Nova they may be even historically..even greensboro college mens team is 27-27 lifetime against UNC-G haha.

But a little research shows this Massey Ratings gives the advantage to the ODAC in these sports M Lacrosse, W Lacrosse, M Soccer, W Soccer, M Basketball, W Basketball.  Records Back up the Ratings.  The only thing USASAC gets is Softball and Volleyball. But the records show the ODAC is better.  When it comes to football (d3football I can't seem to get a hold of past years records. I will take your word for it) Baseball I am not going to everyone baseball website so I will take your word for that too. I would have to agree that USASAC is on the rise or maybe ODAC is on the decline :o (Look at basketball.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: wilburt on August 01, 2006, 10:23:27 AM
Interesting discussion.

Perhaps the ODAC and USA South should merge  ???   

Talk about a super conference!!!

The new name could be the North Dominion Athletic Conference.  I know  :-X.  Just a thought...

I've got a C-note that says this "ain't happening"!  lol  The ODAC already has 14 members, but ...  I think CUA is vulnerable due to geography and their football only membership and W&L is always threatening to take their ball and run to the Centennial (if they were farther north I think they would have already).   If these two defect, then the ODAC has to take some action, but otherwise I think they're willing to stand pat.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 11:25:08 AM-Nova they may be even historically..even greensboro college mens team is 27-27 lifetime against UNC-G haha.

.... I would have to agree that USASAC is on the rise or maybe ODAC is on the decline :o (Look at basketball.)

There are a lot of surprises if you go back far enough in intercollegiate sports, but in the modern era UNC-G would plaster Greensboro (I assume you're talking basketball).  I've heard that the University of the South (Sewanee) is 2-0 all-time in football versus the Tennessee Vols.  If that's true, they'll probably hold that edge forever! lol

Thanks for the Massey ratings.  Interesting.

I don't think you can say the ODAC is in decline in men's basketball, especially when VWC is the current National Champion and RMC made the tournament.  In fact, I think league play this year will be very competitive.  Also Bridgewater and RMC had fine women's teams last season - both made some noise in their tournament.  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 01, 2006, 01:16:39 PM
Hasanova, here's a link to the storied history of collegiate football in Tennessee.  It mentions that Sewanee was a charter member of the SEC among other things.

FASCINATING... 

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=F026
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 01:41:16 PM
-nova
maybe so with the mens side.  Yeah I know about VW and Randolph Macon and the tournament. Look up and down the confrence.  2004-05 season USASAC was 5-11 vs ODAC.  The following year 6-12 not much improvement.  I guess you are right on the men's side. Women's side big improvement 2004-05 season 3-18 to this past year of 7-14.  Maybe neither is happening who knows.  I don't want to start a debate about womens basketball and greensboro.  The last time that happened, well my current karma should show what happened.

Note I am sure you know that UNC-G was part of the Dixie Conference, hence the reason for that record of 27-27.

With this post I am now a second-stringer haha
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 02:12:36 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 01:41:16 PM
-nova
maybe so with the mens side.  Yeah I know about VW and Randolph Macon and the tournament. Look up and down the confrence.  2004-05 season USASAC was 5-11 vs ODAC.  The following year 6-12 not much improvement.  I guess you are right on the men's side. Women's side big improvement 2004-05 season 3-18 to this past year of 7-14.  Maybe neither is happening who knows.  I don't want to start a debate about womens basketball and greensboro.  The last time that happened, well my current karma should show what happened.

Note I am sure you know that UNC-G was part of the Dixie Conference, hence the reason for that record of 27-27.

With this post I am now a second-stringer haha
Congratulations on second string status!  Longevity has its rewards.  lol

Yeah, I knew UNC-G was in the Dixie.  They've gone through several transformations on their road to DI.  I guess you know UNC-G was all women until the early to mid-60's.  In fact, if you talk to some "oldtimers," they'll still call it "WC" for Women's College.

I think the head-to-head USASAC versus ODAC play is good for several reasons.  I didn't know the exact records, so thanks for looking those up.  I think as well as the VWC men and RMC women did last year, it's hard to say the ODAC is down in basketball.  I still rue the fact that the Quaker men had VWC by 9 at the half in the ODAC semifinals and lost by 3.  I think it bodes well for the conference that, generally, there were several other ODAC teams who could play competitively with the eventual national champion.  Peace     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 02:16:35 PM
Quote from: wilburt on August 01, 2006, 01:16:39 PM
Hasanova, here's a link to the storied history of collegiate football in Tennessee.  It mentions that Sewanee was a charter member of the SEC among other things.

FASCINATING... 

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=F026

Sewanee as a charter member of the SEC reminds me that the University of Chicago (UAA) was a charter member of the Big Ten.  My, how things have changed!

Thanks.  Some of this stuff I had heard before, but some was new to me.  I had already heard about Sewanee's famous 5-games-in-6-days road trip (all wins) and Cumberland's 222-0 whitewashing by Georgia Tech.  That's the stuff of legends!

 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 02:44:22 PM
Ok haha who did I anger this time to send my karma down further.  I was hoping to get it back to zero by the time basketball season rolls around haha.  Then send it back down.

Like I said I don't know what it is either way.  You are welcome for the numbers.  In that search I had no idea the RMC women's team beat SU of USASAC by only 7 in a 98-91 game in 04-05.  Collegeboard.com is getting back to me on those numbers about in-state vs out of state students at schools. This brings me to interesting point that I want to bring up. 

Hall of Fame requirements for GC.  Is this the norm or really tough requirements across the board at all D-III (Note GC's 94-95 mens team made it this year or the team that made it to the Elite 8)

Primary Hall of Fame Selection Criteria

v   graduate of Greensboro College

v   earned All-America (or highest level of distinction for sport) honors at least twice

v   earned All-Region, All-District or similar distinction at least twice

v   earned All-Conference honors for his/her sport at least twice

v   demonstrated involvement in extracurricular activity within the Greensboro College or greater community

v   demonstrated recognizable sportsmanship and represented the Greensboro College athletic program with a high degree of class and integrity before, during, and after competition

v   was never suspended from Greensboro College for behavior unbecoming of a member of the College community
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 03:34:36 PM
I can't comment on how tough Greensboro's Hall of Fame criteria are compared to other (especially DIII) schools.  Personally, I think it ought to be tough.  If it isn't, after 50 or 60 years there aren't any jersey numbers available - they're all hanging from the rafters!  lol  Seriously, very few athletes receive lofty accolades all four years, but I do think it's reasonable to expect them to have won some major competition-based awards at least two of their four years in competition.  Otherwise, it becomes like Little League with a "Certificate of Participation" for just showing up.

PS I'm not zinging your karma, so I'm not sure what's up with that.  I'll give you one to get you closer to nil.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 04:20:25 PM
The reason I ask is bridgewater is inducting one of my high school teachers into their hall of fame this year.  I know she wasn't an All-American.  Ever see CNU's hall of fame.  It is very considerable in size compared to GC.  I know GC has been around for a much longer time.  I actually don't think those requirements are tough just complicated.  What all-american list or all-state, all-distict list are they using. For instance we have the d3websites for basketball or football.  They come up with so many lists.  The only players I know have made the hall of fame that come to mind are a couple of mens basketball players.  Of course though GC was a womens college for such a long time.  It wasn't until the 50-60's where there was mens basketball which is the team we have had the longest in schools history I believe. I am no longer an athlete at GC so the only award I am looking  forward to getting now is the Power Pride Award. To the best fan, look for me at the games.  I will be hard to miss I will be wearing an afro wig and a shirt and tie haha.

nova-thanks for the Karma
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 04:46:54 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 04:20:25 PM
The reason I ask is bridgewater is inducting one of my high school teachers into their hall of fame this year.  I know she wasn't an All-American.  Ever see CNU's hall of fame.  It is very considerable in size compared to GC.  I know GC has been around for a much longer time.  I actually don't think those requirements are tough just complicated.  What all-american list or all-state, all-distict list are they using. For instance we have the d3websites for basketball or football.  They come up with so many lists.  The only players I know have made the hall of fame that come to mind are a couple of mens basketball players.  Of course though GC was a womens college for such a long time.  It wasn't until the 50-60's where there was mens basketball which is the team we have had the longest in schools history I believe. I am no longer an athlete at GC so the only award I am looking  forward to getting now is the Power Pride Award. To the best fan, look for me at the games.  I will be hard to miss I will be wearing an afro wig and a shirt and tie haha.

nova-thanks for the Karma

You're welcome for the karma.

Not sure about BC's rules, but a lot of schools tend to elect some folks under the "community service" criterium, especially if it's been a few years since they were a sports competitor.  Not sure of the lady's name to whom you refer, but if it's who I think it is she was a good athlete in her day.

Sounds as though you'll be a lock for the Power Pride Award.  lol  You should come to the Soup Bowl game at Guilford on September 30 and say hello.  If you haven't seen what Guilford's done at their stadium this year, I think you'll like it.  It's also Homecoming, so I'm sure I'll be there.  Pat Cummings of d3football.com also says he has this one "penciled in" on his schedule.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 06:32:09 PM
Well I am sure she doesn't mind.  Her name was Alice Hopkins.  She played field Hockey and Basketball at BC.  She is MD state at least recgonized coach winning 10-11 state championships in field hockey.

Its a tough competition for that Power Pride award haha.  They don't have a listing of who has won it but I don't think a student as ever won it.  Its GC vs. GC i don't think I could ever miss that game.  It was a hell of a game last year. 36-35.  I was there I knew from the begining it was going to be a high scoring game. Wasn't it like 20 points scored in the first 1:30. I hope to see the same this year. I am sure you will find me, although my goal is to get 11 other guys to do it be the 12th man... so we can be called the "12 Angry Men"...like that movie.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2006, 07:00:53 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 06:32:09 PM
Well I am sure she doesn't mind.  Her name was Alice Hopkins.  She played field Hockey and Basketball at BC.  She is MD state at least recgonized coach winning 10-11 state championships in field hockey.

Its a tough competition for that Power Pride award haha.  They don't have a listing of who has won it but I don't think a student as ever won it.  Its GC vs. GC i don't think I could ever miss that game.  It was a hell of a game last year. 36-35.  I was there I knew from the begining it was going to be a high scoring game. Wasn't it like 20 points scored in the first 1:30. I hope to see the same this year. I am sure you will find me, although my goal is to get 11 other guys to do it be the 12th man... so we can be called the "12 Angry Men"...like that movie.
Yeah, great movie.  Henry Fonda and a terrific cast.  Ed Begley, Sr., Lee J. Cobb and others - a good moral for all of us to not judge people too quickly.  Last year was a wonderful game.  There were about 4 TDs in the first few minutes and then Guilford came from 11 down in the 4th - exciting.  Since the rivalry is building, it's also Homecoming at Guilford and they're dedicating the new stadium renovations, it should be a big crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2006, 07:09:43 PM
Lets not forget the real thread this is mens basketball thread.  Greensboro College women's basketball schdeule is up.  the Coliseum rivalry game doesn't look like it will be played there.  They are playing at Guliford.  Don't know the story behind that.  Somebody didn't want to play at the coliseum.  There goes the neutral site, because I know guilford fans will be at that game. I am sure its the same on the men's side. Just really disappointed that isn't still a neutral game like it should be.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on September 01, 2006, 03:07:59 PM
Now that the US team officailly can't win the world championships. Do anyone have any thoughts on things that can be done to improve the team that we send to compete. Do you think american basketball ie: NBA, college, and high schools should change to international rules?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 03, 2006, 02:23:24 PM
Maybe shooting free throws and defending the pick and roll would help.  A little less arrogance and abandoning the military metaphors from the promoters might be useful, too. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 05, 2006, 12:29:32 AM
Learn the language of the international players.  I have played pick-up games with some people from Serbia.  Its not easy trying to play with them.  They communicate in their words and set up plays and one can't stop them. (no joke, and Serbians are good)

Maybe to help USA win is if they communicate as a team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on September 08, 2006, 01:42:27 PM
It's almost fall already and time for the new basketball season. Who will be the impact newcomers in the USA South this year and who's the favorite for the conference crown. Hopefully my monarchs are headed back to the top of the league after a little slide last season. What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 11, 2006, 03:01:00 PM
Too early for me to really know.  It will be hard for me not to say that CNU won't be at the top again.  Then the rest of the conference I think could go in any direction.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on September 16, 2006, 11:50:02 PM
There was a time the NCAA debated on going to the trapezoid style lane like they use in international play. But that I think was quickly negated. I thought it would have cool to go to that style, but who knows what would have been!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 18, 2006, 09:48:26 PM
Imagine that trapezoid in the NBA instead of 3 steps players would get four just to dunk it  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 20, 2006, 11:08:30 PM
isn't recruiting fun?...i dug this up from the summer...i'll add names when they appear on the official roster

Quote from: narch on May 04, 2006, 01:37:07 PM

from my sources within the hoops program, the monarchs have had some nice recruits on campus lately:

2nd team all-state guard from wv - a little on the small side for most scholarship programs, but very smart, fundamentally sound player - still looking at lots of schools, but mc is high on the list
enrolled

wing - local product who averaged around 8 ppg, 7 rpg in hs - a little raw, but talented - has nice range at 6'4"-6'5" - could be a poor man's seth thomas in a few years
did not enroll

post from fla - 6'6" pure athlete - nasty on the break - played on a very good hs team - still lots of question marks, but could potentially be an impact player in a few years if he enrolls
did not enroll

combo guard from tn - a little on the small side for scholly programs, but a solid player - avg 12+ ppg, 6+ apg and 3+ spg for a team that finished in the final 16 in the state
did not enroll

firm committment from a 6'8" juco player - not expected to be an impact kind of player, but fundamentally sound with good experience - should add nice front-court depth enrolled

the monarchs got a FIRM COMMIT from a combo guard from wilmington, nc who should be able to contribute right away - smart player and very athletic - recruited hard by every nc d3 as well as a number of d2's (although no athletic $$$'s were offered) - he could be a big get for the monarchs enrolled

mc is also pursuing the mvp of one of the nc state championship games - he's a 6'3" wing who averaged 16 ppg and 8 rpg - there is a long way to go for him, but stay tuned did not enroll

add to that the d1 (recruited walk-on from vcu) transfer that came in (but didn't play) this spring, and it's a solid class that fills most of the needs - there are others that could contribute in the class, as well, but these are the guys i know the most about
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 20, 2006, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 11, 2006, 03:01:00 PM
It will be hard for me not to say that CNU won't be at the top again.

does this mean you do or don't think cnu will win the usasac???  too many negatives for me to figure out :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 21, 2006, 12:57:23 AM
Sorry CNU will win the conference.
Although i don't know anything about of the players at GC.  What I do know is there are alot of them.  Close to a team worth of players.  Freshman. I know this because I am an RA and have met all of them.

Also. Narc you giving out scouting reports already.  A little excited to get that season started over there. (I think Methodist will finish 2nd at least, did they have a young team last year.  I saw them play a couple of times.  I don't remeber the roster breakdown.  I thought they underachived a little bit last year)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 21, 2006, 11:15:23 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 21, 2006, 12:57:23 AM
Also. Narc you giving out scouting reports already.  A little excited to get that season started over there. (I think Methodist will finish 2nd at least, did they have a young team last year.  I saw them play a couple of times.  I don't remeber the roster breakdown.  I thought they underachived a little bit last year)

first off, it's narch...get it right and don't forget the "h" :)

secondly, i've been giving RECRUITING reports since may...this was an update since the students have now enrolled

third, i disagree on the monarchs finishing in 2nd...they'll be too young to compete this year and don't have enough tough guys around the basket (i hope they read this and use it as motivation to prove me wrong)

lastly - the monarchs DID significantly underacheive last year (we finally agree :)) - they were not young, with 2 starting seniors who were both 1000 point scorers - they have lost those 2 starting seniors who were 1000 point scorers...they'll be tough to replace

they'll still beat the lady lions, though :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 21, 2006, 11:33:20 PM
Narch- Its Narc for your drug reference the other day in football ;D.

If Methodist is the team I know they can be, the recruits must be solid. (Grinnell doesn't need tough guys around the basket  :D)

Well you may beat the lady lions on the men's side (Beat us by total of 6 points in the two games), but not the lady lions on the women's side.  Thats a whole different debate :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 22, 2006, 08:53:28 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 21, 2006, 11:33:20 PM(Grinnell doesn't need tough guys around the basket  :D)

the monarchs don't play some silly, gimmicky, mathemeatical formula of a system, and grinnell doesn't play in the usasac...you need tough guys around the basket to compete in this league, and i don't think the monarchs have many...hope they prove me wrong

on the women's side, i think coach j is building the program back the right way...she hasn't gone for the quick fix with a bunch of transfers...i think the hard work will pay off soon, maybe as soon as this year...we'll see
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 22, 2006, 10:42:18 AM
Your are right about having tough guys around the basket for the USASAC.  (Although I am a big fan of the Grinnell systems I am a math kind of guy...Although it really is the Loyola Marymount and Paul Westhead..rip offed system.)

I will not say anything about the women's side.  I will just disagree.  I have many reasons to disagree, but this isn't the board to be debating that  :D.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on September 22, 2006, 03:24:39 PM
I would agree with narch, that you need a good big guy to win this conference. Great guards can carry you into the top half, but you must have that balance to win the league.  this is probably the first year that i don't know much about the monarchs recruits. i think cnu will be good again and ncw has some good players returning and picked up a couple of good recruits.  the coach at averette has sone a tremendous job so i would imagine they will be near the top of the league again.  my picks would be

cnu
ncw
averette
methodist
greensboro
shanandoah
ferrum

I am using previous experience and some good old fashion guessing to come up with this prediction. As rosters are updated I will try again to give an estimated guess.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 22, 2006, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on September 22, 2006, 03:24:39 PM
cnu
ncw
averette
methodist
greensboro
shanandoah
ferrum

i think that's a great first attempt, but i might flip-flop ncw and averett...ncw is ALWAYS talented, but they rarely play to their potential - like you, i'm anxious to see some rosters - if a stud didn't come back somewhere (say a guy like lenny hall, just for instance), it will significantly change the outlook
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 22, 2006, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: narch on September 22, 2006, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on September 22, 2006, 03:24:39 PM
cnu
ncw
averette
methodist
greensboro
shanandoah
ferrum

i think that's a great first attempt, but i might flip-flop ncw and averett...ncw is ALWAYS talented, but they rarely play to their potential - like you, i'm anxious to see some rosters - if a stud didn't come back somewhere (say a guy like lenny hall, just for instance), it will significantly change the outlook

I think its good too.  Although, Narch.  I really think Methodist will be higher, and Greensboro could be higher.  They don't have Steve Berg.  I know.  This is the first full recruitment class for Galuski.  They finished tied for 3rd last year.  I am sure Coach was able to bring in somebody.  Hopefully a solid post.  AU may be lower, couldn't beat that top team.  Middle 3 can go in any order. I see Greensboro finishing as high as second (10% chance) as low as 5 (20%) (35% 3 and 4 each).  Methodist and NCWC same deal.

CNU
AU (was 0-2 against CNU)
Methodist (was 1-3 against top 2 teams)
Greensboro (was 2-2 against the top 2 teams)
NCWC (was 1-3 against top 2 teams)
Shenadoah
Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 02:17:59 PM
I just got a sneak peek at Fisk's 2006-07 basketball schedule.  Looks like we will be playing @Greensboro College Classic and @Christopher Newport University Classic both in December.

I see that CNU is favored to repeat as USASouth Champs but what about GC? I see that they could be as high as #2 and low as #5.  Any reason for the uncertainty?

As for any predictions for my Bulldogs, we will be lucky to finish .500 this season.  We are young (lost 4 starters from last season) and we play 3 of our 4  Nashville Division I counterparts (Belmont, Lipscomb, and Tenn. State) this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on September 26, 2006, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 22, 2006, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: narch on September 22, 2006, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on September 22, 2006, 03:24:39 PM
cnu
ncw
averette
methodist
greensboro
shanandoah
ferrum

i think that's a great first attempt, but i might flip-flop ncw and averett...ncw is ALWAYS talented, but they rarely play to their potential - like you, i'm anxious to see some rosters - if a stud didn't come back somewhere (say a guy like lenny hall, just for instance), it will significantly change the outlook

I think its good too.  Although, Narch.  I really think Methodist will be higher, and Greensboro could be higher.  They don't have Steve Berg.  I know.  This is the first full recruitment class for Galuski.  They finished tied for 3rd last year.  I am sure Coach was able to bring in somebody.  Hopefully a solid post.  AU may be lower, couldn't beat that top team.  Middle 3 can go in any order. I see Greensboro finishing as high as second (10% chance) as low as 5 (20%) (35% 3 and 4 each).  Methodist and NCWC same deal.

CNU
AU (was 0-2 against CNU)
Methodist (was 1-3 against top 2 teams)
Greensboro (was 2-2 against the top 2 teams)
NCWC (was 1-3 against top 2 teams)
Shenadoah
Ferrum

Just to let you know PrideSportsBballGuy, Averett was 0-3 against the Captains last  year, including the impropable come from behind win in the championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2006, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 02:17:59 PM
I just got a sneak peek at Fisk's 2006-07 basketball schedule.  Looks like we will be playing @Greensboro College Classic and @Christopher Newport University Classic both in December.

You may be our only source for Fisk schedules now that they're not in a conference. Please send copies if you get official info. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 26, 2006, 09:25:04 PM
Quote from: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 02:17:59 PM
I see that CNU is favored to repeat as USASouth Champs but what about GC? I see that they could be as high as #2 and low as #5.  Any reason for the uncertainty?

Middle of the conference is pretty much up in the air.  I know GC played real well down the stretch last year, but they don't have the Conference Player of the Year, to graduation.  Depends on what the freshman can do. I believe I heard there was 22 people trying out.

Goose- I was at that game.  It was a great conference championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 27, 2006, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2006, 07:26:20 PM

You may be our only source for Fisk schedules now that they're not in a conference. Please send copies if you get official info. :)

Only if you are nice to me Mr. Coleman  :)

Just kidding...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on September 27, 2006, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 26, 2006, 09:25:04 PM
Quote from: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 02:17:59 PM
I see that CNU is favored to repeat as USASouth Champs but what about GC? I see that they could be as high as #2 and low as #5.  Any reason for the uncertainty?

Middle of the conference is pretty much up in the air.  I know GC played real well down the stretch last year, but they don't have the Conference Player of the Year, to graduation.  Depends on what the freshman can do. I believe I heard there was 22 people trying out.

Goose- I was at that game.  It was a great conference championship game.

Great conference championship?? That was THE best conference championship game Ive seen since...well...ever I believe. A fantastic finish to a fantastic game. Great crowd, helluva an atmosphere and a great finish.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on September 27, 2006, 11:10:26 AM
Thanks for your thoughts. i hope the upper classman Monarchs step up this year and get it done. Radmonovich and Williams need to have a good year for us to have a chance.  Methodist always seem to come up with this player out of the woodworks. One transfer that they have should make an immediate impact in the league. hopefully he, mcdonald and lee will man the perimeter.

I guess Fisk can be an honorary member of this board, since they don't have a conference. where are the posters from other schools in the league NCW, Ferrum, Shanandoah, Averette?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on September 27, 2006, 12:06:48 PM
I noticed CNU has released its men's basketball schedule.

http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/0607mbskd.htm (http://athletics.cnu.edu/Sports/mensbasketball/0607mbskd.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 27, 2006, 12:20:01 PM
I believe the whole conference has schedules listed now on school websites.  Still working on getting them up on d3hoops, I assume.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 27, 2006, 03:40:56 PM
Can someone answer this for me?  Are D3 schools allowed 26 regular season games now excluding conference tourneys?  And 13 (half) of the 26 games must be in-region in order to qualify for a Pool A, B or C bid?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on September 27, 2006, 03:42:16 PM
I still think its 25, but Im not a 100% sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2006, 09:25:15 AM
It's 25 games, and if you want to play an exhibition against a D-I team, that counts as one of the 25.

Since the USAC uses D3Scoreboard.com, when the schedules are loaded on the conference site they'll be crossposted to ours.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 28, 2006, 10:42:09 AM
Pat The reason I ask is that I thought I counted 26 games on Fisk's tentative schedule for 2006-07.  FYI, there are 16 games with d3 foes and 3 games with d1 foes.

13 regional d3 games

1 w/ Mississippi College
2 w/ Maryville
2 w/ Rust
2 w/ Huntingdon
2 w/ LaGrange
2 w/ Greensboro
2 w/ CNU

3 non regional d3 games

1 w/ Fontbonne
1 w/ Webster
1 w/ Otterbein

3 games with d1 opponents

1 w/ Tennessee State
1 w/ Lipscomb
1 w/ Belmont

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2006, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: wilburt on September 28, 2006, 10:42:09 AM
Pat The reason I ask is that I thought I counted 26 games on Fisk's tentative schedule for 2006-07.  FYI, there are 16 games with d3 foes and 3 games with d1 foes.

13 regional d3 games

1 w/ Mississippi College
2 w/ Maryville
2 w/ Rust
2 w/ Huntingdon
2 w/ LaGrange
2 w/ Greensboro
2 w/ CNU

3 non regional d3 games

1 w/ Fontbonne
1 w/ Webster
1 w/ Otterbein In (adminstrative) Region #3***

3 games with d1 opponents

1 w/ Tennessee State
1 w/ Lipscomb
1 w/ Belmont

***http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.330

Here is another in-region game to give a 14th.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 29, 2006, 07:35:19 AM
Thanks Ralph I forgot about that new rule that places Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee in the same region.

Again, I only expect a .500 season for Fisk this year (at best).  It is a rebuilding year with a brand new head coach.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 29, 2006, 09:59:39 AM
I don't understand but Greensboro vs Guilford at the colieseum for the men's side.  Yet on the women's side Greensboro is playing at guilford.  Plus playing on different days.  That takes all the fun out of the rivalary.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on September 29, 2006, 10:28:16 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 29, 2006, 09:59:39 AM
I don't understand but Greensboro vs Guilford at the colieseum for the men's side.  Yet on the women's side Greensboro is playing at guilford.  Plus playing on different days.  That takes all the fun out of the rivalary.  :-\
I think they should just drop the coliseum venue period.  It's simply too big for these schools and their fan base.  I say have a doubleheader in Hanes and Ragan-Brown and alternate years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 29, 2006, 10:47:52 AM
nova-

I guess it isn't so much that the coliseum, that bugs me.  The fact that the games are on different days.  (I knew the girls were playing at guilford.)  We can't settle the rivalary on one night like we are used too.  (Now my nerves will be going crazy for two weeks instead of one.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on September 30, 2006, 02:13:48 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 29, 2006, 10:47:52 AM
nova-

I guess it isn't so much that the coliseum, that bugs me.  The fact that the games are on different days.  (I knew the girls were playing at guilford.)  We can't settle the rivalary on one night like we are used too.  (Now my nerves will be going crazy for two weeks instead of one.)

I agree with you pride and nova they both should be at one location on the same day like it has been for years
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 30, 2006, 09:53:38 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 26, 2006, 09:25:04 PM
...but they don't have the Conference Player of the Year, to graduation. 

did he graduate from gc after just one semester or is it that he's just out of eligibility?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 30, 2006, 10:00:51 PM
once again, the monarchs will be road warriors, with only 11 home games - tough schedule (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/200607schedule.htm), too, with a d1, a d2, rmc (22-7...ncaa's), catholic (21-7...ncaa's), baruch (23-6...ncaa's), m'ville (21-8...ncaa's) and either union (17-11) or gettysburg (16-9) as well as elizabethtown (15-10 last year)...oh yeah...don't forget the defending national champions (vwc), a solid guilford program (13-14) and the always dangerous peidmont (13-12) games

wow...only one non-conf game against a team with a losing record and 5 teams who went dancing last year (and one which danced last and longest) - the monarchs will clearly be tested early and often and well prepared for conference play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 30, 2006, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: narch on September 30, 2006, 09:53:38 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 26, 2006, 09:25:04 PM
...but they don't have the Conference Player of the Year, to graduation. 

did he graduate from gc after just one semester or is it that he's just out of eligibility?

Eligbility.  I haven't seen him around.  I know he played in a senior game around here at the end of the season.  Played with some local d-1 players from top schools.  I can't find the article, but I heard he played real well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on October 01, 2006, 10:07:33 PM
Coach Smith has another tough schedule indeed.  It has been his philosophy to play a tough non-conference schedule and then use that experience to make a run at the conference championship.  I don't think anyone can argue with his success over the years, and we will see how this year team shapes up.  He usually also schedule a couple of DII's for scrimmages to better evaluate his team.  good luck monarchs and i'll see them in person this fall. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 03, 2006, 10:58:39 AM
Guilford published their schedule last Friday.  There are some games of interest versus the USASAC.  The men have an early exhibition against DI Elon (last year it was a regular season game) plus 24 that count.  There are the normal 18 ODAC contests as well as Robert Morris and Sewanee (University of the South) in a tournament at Roanoke, Greensboro at the Coliseum, Shenandoah at home, away at Methodist and away at Averett.  Looks like ten DIII games in Ragan-Brown.

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/releases/2006-07/BBSchedules.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 05, 2006, 08:11:32 PM
This article has been out a while.  Only this is the first time I heard about it.  Greensboro College basketball player playing professional ball.


http://www.gborocollege.edu/weblog.php?action=showpage&page=article&aid=1373&blogid=9&offset=4
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 06, 2006, 12:26:47 PM
Is it basketball season yet? Oh wait, Oct. 15 is the first day of practice with Midnight Madness on the 20th. Wow, Nov. 17th will be here soon!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 07, 2006, 11:27:00 PM
Oh yeah I can't wait for basketball season.  I bet Midnight maddness at the freeman center is well worth the addmission.

GC is haven't Midnight maddness until the 27th (Homecoming and Alumni weekend)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 08, 2006, 12:35:49 AM
Well worth the admission?? Is it worth free?? Dont know about all that now!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 09:38:03 AM
I had to pay 7 bucks for a ticket for the football game.  I was sure they would charge 2 bucks to go see midnight maddness.

(football is 3 bucks at greensboro)

Looks like CNU and GC will know each other well.  They switched off tournaments.  They don't play each other, but I am sure they will scout each other.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufan on October 08, 2006, 02:04:37 PM
Man, that's a bummer about 2 bucks to midnight madness. You should have asked me for some tickets to the fb game. I could have hooked you up at a cheaper rate!

I unfortunately will not be making the trip to the Greensboro Classic, as greener pastures have me going to hawaii on the 15-20 of Dec.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 02:22:48 PM
I guess I wasn't clear goose.  I thought CNU would charge for midnight maddness.  Greenboro on the other hand, they don't charge for anything.  No point not too many fans or alumni at the games.

If they did charge, they wouldn't charge me since I work close to the womens side.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 02:29:35 PM
Does anybody within the SID field know when the preseason polls are released?  I am guessing after the 15th.

Or knows already and wants to give me the inside scope.  Both on Men's and Women's side.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 16, 2006, 11:51:17 AM
LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!! Its Rikki_Tikki_Tavi here and Im new to the d3sports.com world. First day of practice was yesterday and Midnight Madness happends on Friday. I love college footbal, but I love college basketball better. Cant wait for the middle of November! Im ready to rock.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 16, 2006, 12:08:37 PM
And apparently I cant type either, I think football has two l's!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 16, 2006, 02:25:13 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 16, 2006, 12:08:37 PMAnd apparently I cant type either, I think football has two l's!!
Yes, football does have two "l's" and, just like "happens," no "d."  :)   Only kidding - welcome aboard.  Do you have a favorite d3 team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 16, 2006, 08:06:51 PM
After reading some of your posts hasa, Im thinking your a Guilford fan, correct me if im wrong mr. grammar police  ;)

I could tell yeah, but I might have to kill ya. I do live on "The Peninsula," as it is referred to around here, and since I happen to be an alum of Christy Tech (as another alum refers to CNU), I guess Ill cheer for the Captains!  ;D

My heart belongs at Razorback Stadium tho.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 16, 2006, 09:30:18 PM
great...another cnu fan...just what this board needs :)

seriously, welcome aboard rikki, and tell your boys to take it easy on the conference this year - don't know how long you've been lurking on these boards, but i'll tell you up front that i like to be a bit smarmy at times...don't take offense, 'cause i don't mean half of what i say
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on October 17, 2006, 03:49:09 PM
Welcome rikki,
come on guys you've been getting some rumblings from campus. who's the best team in the league this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 17, 2006, 04:11:27 PM
CNU is still my favorite.  I have said this before with regards to the teams based on last year.

CNU
AU (was 0-2 against CNU)
Methodist (was 1-3 against top 2 teams)
Greensboro (was 2-2 against the top 2 teams)
NCWC (was 1-3 against top 2 teams)
Shenadoah
Ferrum


So here is what I see coming out of here

CNU
AU
Greensboro
Methodist
NCWC
SU
Ferrum.

It is really hard to say.  I think the middle of the conference is up in the air.  GC could win and I think NCWC could win.  (GC lost 4 conference games by a total 9 points.  Only 2 of them would have put them at the top of the conference.)  NCWC can play ball and so can Methodist.  I am sure everyone brought in some good players.  We will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 17, 2006, 04:23:19 PM
Did anyone see that orginal idea on one of the D3basketball boards, of having a fantasy basketball team.  Sounded interesting, but looked like a lot of work.  They turned it into pick'em league instead.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 17, 2006, 04:32:41 PM
street and smith is out, have not seen all the rankings but apparently Maryville is better at basketball than football
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/news-detail.asp?sportNameID=5&id=1634
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 18, 2006, 01:43:16 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 17, 2006, 04:11:27 PMSo here is what I see coming out of here

CNU
AU
Greensboro
Methodist
NCWC
SU
Ferrum.

you're on a fissure :)

seriously, though, we disagree on just a few picks...this is the way i see the conference shaking out...of course, much could change when we see rosters and find out who is and is not back at each school:

CNU
AU
NCWC
Methodist
SU
Greensboro
Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 18, 2006, 02:57:39 PM
USASAC Preseason poll.

1. Christopher Newport (6) 36
2. N.C. Wesleyan 28
3. Averett (1) 25
T-4. Greensboro 18
T-4. Methodist 18
6. Shenandoah 16
7. Ferrum 6

From what I know coaches have the rosters when these polls are put together.  They have a good idea whats coming in and who is coming back.  Poll looks solid.  The pick that bugs me is AU. I think they deserve #3, but dropping off like that.  (I wonder if they could drop off like what Ferrum did for football)

Narch-Coaches think MC and GC are pretty even.  Should be good games this year like the past couple of years. ;)


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 18, 2006, 10:30:07 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 18, 2006, 02:57:39 PM
The pick that bugs me is AU. I think they deserve #3, but dropping off like that.  (I wonder if they could drop off like what Ferrum did for football)

what do you mean by this?  I don't get it...the pick (averett at #3) bugs you, but you think they deserve #3 (which is where they are picked), and you wonder if they could drop off (presumably from finishing 2nd last year to 3rd this year)...please explain these contradictions, i sometimes struggle following your train of thought ???

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 18, 2006, 02:57:39 PM
From what I know coaches have the rosters when these polls are put together.  They have a good idea whats coming in and who is coming back. 

they might have a good idea of who returned, but, for instance, the MC COACHES don't even know who will make the varsity team at MC right now...they've only been working with them since 12:01 on oct 15...how do you suppose opposing coaches know who the new MC players are?

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 18, 2006, 02:57:39 PM
Should be good games this year like the past couple of years. ;)

yeah...the pride are 2-11 vs. mc since the 2000-01 season (and 1-7 over the last 4 seasons and 0-4 the last 2 seasons)...i hope there are 2 or 3 more mc/gc games that follow the form of the last few seasons, too :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 18, 2006, 11:15:37 PM
With AU, I haven't seen a roster but they have had a good team.  I am thinking coaches are worried about who they do or don't have.  AU won some close games last year.  They didn't beat CNU at all (GC beat them both neither of the other teams in the conference did that.) (Possibly causing them to fall off like I orginally thought a few weeks ago.  I still think 3 is a good spot.)


Not too many teams have the luxury of a JV-Varsity team like Methodist.  I am sure you can tell me they sent out who they have trying out.

The past two years yeah you beat us.  The last two years I would say MC got one really good win against GC.  1:47 was the difference in GC going 3-1 the past two years ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 18, 2006, 11:26:35 PM
GC Season Information

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/mb2006-07/gcmbcosida.pdf

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2006, 02:08:19 AM
Maryville IS better at basketball at football. However, Street & Smith's sucks at both for D-III. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 19, 2006, 11:58:33 AM
I thought I'd come over to this board and bug Narch and BBallguy for awhile.

It's still football season for me...hard to think about hoops....maybe when I get my ticket information it'll start to feel a little hoopsy.  Midnight Madness is Friday night....maybe I'll go....I'll have to sleep in a little to get my rest...I'll be tired Saturday afternoon from cheering all of CNU's touchdowns against Methodist!!   :D    Hi Narch - you coming up for the game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 19, 2006, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2006, 02:08:19 AM
Maryville IS better at basketball at football. However, Street & Smith's sucks at both for D-III. :)

you're right, but at least they give d3 token coverage...that's more than most national publications
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 19, 2006, 01:42:35 PM
prideguy - thanks for the link - it's interesting that the gc coaching staff is continuing the trend at gc of recruiting tons of transfer students...looks like at least 4 juco transfers, if i'm reading correct...wow

i don't think the conference has seen a school go this route since cnu was a haven for transfer students in the late 90's, and it should be noted that i don't ever recall cnu bringing in 4 juco kids in one year

please take this for what it is...an observation and an opinion...it is not meant to be a personal attack on any gc coach or fan or the institution or you...

i think recruiting like this flies in the face of what d3 athletics are all about - this isn't a win-at-all-costs division - it's a division where athletics supplement the educational experience (but winning does matter :)) - that doesn't mean that coaches shouldn't welcome a transfer or two each year if they are interested, and it doesn't mean that juco kids are horrible...it just seems that greensboro has really been building most of their athletic teams through short-term, quick-fix solutions (read: transfers) - my limited knowledge of gc would indicate that a small percentage of their students are transfer students, yet it seems that a disproportionately high percentage of their student-athletes are...why the disparity? (if, indeed, my perception is accurate) - feel free to disagree and vehemently defend the gc position, but there is no denying that the gc teams have leaned heavily on transfers for the last few seasons and much more so than any other school in the conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 02:10:53 PM
Narch-

Most of the student athletes here are undergrad non-transfers.  That goes for the same with the student body.  A few coaches are new coaches here so they might have had a kid on the radar at the other school.  (Eckerd was in FL)   Continuing success as each season seems to be built upon the last.  "winter sports" has gotten better here at GC over the past few years.  Building a team off of transfers, I have no opinion.  Some of the top schools in the country at d3 are using transfers.  Its a continuing trend.  Someone brought up the rumor that Greensboro was moving to D2.  I am not to sure about that, but if that is the case, makes the school look more attractive.

CNU built teams off of transfers and look where it has brought them.  The envy of the league.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 06:12:03 PM
As many of you all know, since most will be here when basketball starts.  I set up a few posting rules for myself.  Again most of you know, I don't back down when people confront me.  To save my heart (history of heart problems in the family  ;) :-\), I will use these rules when people confront me about the pride and in general:


1) If you talk bad about a coach or a player, usually I defend them.  If you talk bad I will smite you.  I have that power. (This won't happen all the time, but I will judge it)

2) When you do talk bad about a coach or a player,  I will follow with use your resourses and channel it elsewhere.

3) I will congratulate all teams on victory. I will congratulate players of the week, and debate who should have gotten.

4)  I will ask questions about things that have happened in box scores, be more of a statistical approach.

Greensboro isn't used to having avid posters on these boards.  They just aren't ready as the rest of the schools in the conference.  I will respect that and take it easy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 19, 2006, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 02:10:53 PM
Most of the student athletes here are undergrad non-transfers.  That goes for the same with the student body. 

let's see...football has 2 qb's that are scholarship program transfers, women's hoops has had at least 4 or 5 transfers over the last few years, men's hoops has had at least one impact transfer each year for the last 4 or 5 years including the one-semester wonder (who apparently isn't enrolled at gc now, from what i gather), and 4 juco transfers this year, baseball has a couple of scholarship program transfers, i'm sure there are more that i'm just not aware of...my perception is that gc has an inordinately high percentage of transfer students on their athletic rosters - i don't know if it's out of proportion with the rest of their student body, but it is certainly out of proportion with the rest of the teams in the conference

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 02:10:53 PMSome of the top schools in the country at d3 are using transfers.  Its a continuing trend.
really?  are you sure about that?

i think you'll find if you look at the rosters of the vast majority of teams that are consistent playoff and top 25 teams you'll find that they have built their programs primarily through the 4 year player, not the transfer student - there are certainly exceptions, and i'm not going to go off on a school that has a transfer every year or 2 (the monarchs have had some transfer students, including sam porter), but i don't know of many d3 programs that bring in 4 juco transfers the year after bringing in a one-semester d2 transfer, the year after bringing in a d1 transfer who had been at 3 schools in 3 years, two years after bringing in a 7 foot former acc player along with the kid from louisiana that was a juco transfer...that's a pretty clear trend of looking for the quick fix, if you ask me

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 02:10:53 PMCNU built teams off of transfers and look where it has brought them.  The envy of the league.
i was very critical of cnu when they were building their program primarily through the transfer market, as well, and i actually think they'll be better, long term, with the 4 year player as their primary target
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 11:41:34 PM
No comment.  Next question.  You are asking the wrong person. (I said questions like that are to be directed off the board.) Personal Message me if you want to know.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 20, 2006, 08:13:16 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 11:41:34 PM
No comment.  Next question.  You are asking the wrong person. (I said questions like that are to be directed off the board.) Personal Message me if you want to know.

so i can't ask you if you're sure that the top d3 schools really use transfers to build their programs to a large degree?
(that's the only question i've asked in my previous post)

as for your rules...well, they're YOUR rules - i'll continue to ask questions that i think are appropriate and pertinent...you can choose to answer whatever questions you'd like, however
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on October 20, 2006, 06:06:09 PM
hello narch,
life is good here, hope the same for you. convincing four juco kids to attend a d3 school is one hell of a recruiting job for the coaches at greensboro. they clearly have found a way to get some "interesting" players to join the program through the years. I don't put CNU and Greensboro in the same category when it comes to transfers. It seems to me that most of the CNU transfers were kids who grew up in the tide water area and decided to come home for one reason or the other.  It is very difficult to convince a scholarship juco player to attend a non-scholarship school. Then again i can't remember the rules for d3. Are there any academic requirements for juco transfers. I know d2 and d1 have rules for them. 
I will go out on a limb and say those four juco transfers are either not very good or they had horrible grades.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 21, 2006, 09:24:35 AM
CNU had Midnight Madness last night. Me personally, I didnt make it! Too old and too much to do!! I cant believe Nov. 17 is only 27 days away!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 24, 2006, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: narch on October 19, 2006, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 19, 2006, 02:10:53 PM
Most of the student athletes here are undergrad non-transfers.  That goes for the same with the student body. 

let's see...football has 2 qb's that are scholarship program transfers, women's hoops has had at least 4 or 5 transfers over the last few years, men's hoops has had at least one impact transfer each year for the last 4 or 5 years including the one-semester wonder (who apparently isn't enrolled at gc now, from what i gather), and 4 juco transfers this year, baseball has a couple of scholarship program transfers, i'm sure there are more that i'm just not aware of...my perception is that gc has an inordinately high percentage of transfer students on their athletic rosters - i don't know if it's out of proportion with the rest of their student body, but it is certainly out of proportion with the rest of the teams in the conference

and they still suck!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 24, 2006, 04:17:58 PM
Rikki Tikki Tavi?????

cracks me up!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 24, 2006, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 21, 2006, 09:24:35 AM
CNU had Midnight Madness last night. Me personally, I didnt make it! Too old and too much to do!! I cant believe Nov. 17 is only 27 days away!!

I picked up my daughter from a party a little after 11 that night. I could've made it.......but when I turned the corner of my neighborhood and headed towards my driveway.....my eyes got heavy, my joints started hurting.....it was time for warm milk and bed!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on October 24, 2006, 05:41:12 PM
So my CNU brethren; any news on new recruits, who didn't comeback and what can we expect out of this this years team? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 24, 2006, 08:12:10 PM
Didnt make it to midnight madness and I still havent seen a roster, so I couldnt even venture a guess as to what the coaching staff at CNU has brought in. If I remember correctly, the one time I made it to midnight madness, they handed out rosters for both the men and women, dont know if they still do that or not. Im looking forward to the season tho. After last year's exciting finish to the USA South championship game and the loss at Lincoln in the first round, I think the Capts have a great core back this year in Barton, Selden, Blasingame, Lewis and Riley. I would be the farm that's your starting five!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sac on October 24, 2006, 08:42:22 PM
Riki Tiki Tavi.......simply a sweet name!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: swooshtheball on October 24, 2006, 10:47:54 PM
I think we should respect where a player wants to play and not be so negative because they chose to come to a d3 school.  If they aren't happy where they are then they have the choice to choose where they want to attend school and play.  There isn't so much pressure on them and in my opinion they are treated more like student athletes with the coaches in d3 than in d1 or d2.  Personally I think there are d3 players that come in as freshmen that could have easily played d2 and in some instances d1.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 25, 2006, 01:31:36 PM
Quote from: swooshtheball on October 24, 2006, 10:47:54 PM
I think we should respect where a player wants to play and not be so negative because they chose to come to a d3 school.  If they aren't happy where they are then they have the choice to choose where they want to attend school and play.  There isn't so much pressure on them and in my opinion they are treated more like student athletes with the coaches in d3 than in d1 or d2.  Personally I think there are d3 players that come in as freshmen that could have easily played d2 and in some instances d1.

i don't know if you're referring to our conversation about the number of transfers on gc's roster or not, but if you are, i never said anything negative about the student-athlete...i think it's interesting and unusual that a coach would elect to build a team that way, but i never said anything bad about the players themselves - having said that, though, i know how difficult it is to get one or two juco players to attend a d3 school, let alone 4 in one year - i don't have a problem with a school recruiting a transfer or 2 (the monarchs have a juco transfer and a d1 walk-on transfer on their roster) - the problem i personally have is that recruiting droves of transfers just doesn't seem to fit the d3 philosophy

once you get into the cycle of recruiting a lot of transfer students, it's difficult to break that cycle - if i'm a high school player, why would i go to a school that recruits 3 or 4 transfers every year?  chances are i'm going to sit for a couple of years while those transfers play, so i won't develop as quickly as i could if i could otherwise and then, when i'm a junior and may be ready to contribute, the coach is probably going to go out and recruit a transfer or 4 who has game experience playing for a couple of years, forcing me to continue to sit - there aren't many programs, on any level, that win consistently with transfer students...please feel free to prove me wrong, though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on October 26, 2006, 10:45:52 AM
swoosh the ball,
i will take it that your comment was directed at me. I never mentioned high shool players who attend d3 schools. I stated that it's very difficult to convince scholarship junior college players to attend d3 schools.  I will take it a step further by saying, recruiting players out of a league as good as the florida junior college league is very very difficult.  It's been my experience that most scholarship juco players attend those schools because of their grades and their pursuit of a scholarship at a four year college or university. Many of those players could find a d3 school to attend if they wanted to out of high school. 
i agree there are alot of players who attend d3 schools out of high school who could have gone to d1 and d2 schools. it is far less common for junior college players who have a choice to attend d3 schools rather than d1 or d2 schools.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 26, 2006, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: sac on October 24, 2006, 08:42:22 PM
Riki Tiki Tavi.......simply a sweet name!

A 1000 thank yous!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 26, 2006, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 24, 2006, 08:12:10 PM
I would be the farm ....

Mooooooo!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 26, 2006, 05:16:07 PM
I guess that should have read, "I would have BET the farm!"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 26, 2006, 05:31:16 PM
well put '96...from what i understand it's difficult for many SCHOLARSHIP programs in nc to pull kids from the florida junior college league (say a place like campbell, which is a low d1 or a place like catawba or lenoir rhyne, which are d2)...is that an accurate statement?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on October 27, 2006, 02:14:49 AM
I tell you all I am really looking foward to basketball season already. It is one of my favorite sports and it is going to be interesting to see what the conf. is going to be like as far as balance this season because it varys from year to year but I do think that it is going to be an exciting season and close in the conf. race.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 27, 2006, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 26, 2006, 05:16:07 PM
I guess that should have read, "I would have BET the farm!"

E I E I O

Sorry Hoochie Koochie Koo.....oops I mean Rikki Tikki Tavi!!

I think this was asked....but when do we officially know the roster? I better send in my ticket money.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on October 27, 2006, 05:25:42 PM
Beats me on when the roster goes public!! I would love some insider info on who's on the team, as would everyone else and their respective schools. Be interesting to see to say the least. I was looking at the calender, exactly three weeks, 2 hours and 7 minutes until tip-off!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on October 27, 2006, 06:02:09 PM
Narch,
i would agree with that statement. Florida juco's are among the best in the country along with texas and kansas leagues.  they usually have numerous players who are high major division I talents. I know of a few of the teams who 11th and 12th men usually end up at mid-major dI programs.  I'm not saying it's impossible to recruit those guys because you know everything in life is about timing, but the vast majority of the players who are pretty good or academically eligible end up at scholarship schools. I'm glad the guys at greensboro are getting a chance to go to a good college and hope they make the most of their situation. 

I can't wait to see the monarchs varsity roster. hopefully they had a couple of studs slip in during the summer. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 28, 2006, 12:19:08 PM
Pride had the midnight maddness last night.  They were waiting for alumni weekend and homecoming to host it.  Not much can be said besides it was a typical midnight maddess.  A little show off what you can do type of thing.  Its a very athletic team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 28, 2006, 07:13:50 PM
it's .... madness     it's ..... it's
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 30, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
the monarchs roster (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/200607roster.htm) is up

a couple of tidbits i've gleaned

radmanovic has lost some weight and is looking pretty good - his skills have never been questioned, but he was a bit slow and out of shape last year...maybe the urgency of the senior year will push him to reach his vast potential

lee is playing as well as he has in a while right now...he's as talented a guard on both ends of the floor as there is in the conference when he's on, maybe he'll be on more than off this year

lehmann has opened some eyes...he's the vcu walk-on who transferred in for the spring - he's not the biggest guy, but he's extremely smart, can shoot and has big time handles...he's a true pg...should be fun to watch

mcbryde is a little bigger and stronger this year, and he's a phenomenal athlete with tons of potential...can he harness that potential?

williams, lane, shuford and moore provide much-needed depth and each is capable of stepping up and playing a bigger role

i've heard at least one of the freshman could start right away, and the coaches are very excited about his potential...we'll see what pans out as we get closer to the season - the others are guys who are likely to provide depth and develop as the season goes along, but overall, the coaches are happy with all of the freshman

lastly, fred mcdonald, who showed flashes of being really good as a freshman last year, left school about 2 weeks ago...it apparently took the coaches by surprise - that could be a big loss, especially from a depth standpoint, as he played everywhere from 1 to 3 last year...maybe he'll come back for the spring...who knows?

it's hard to imagine this team being better than they were last year without grant and thomas, but i'm optomistic that they will gel together and that guys like lee and radmanovic have improved enough to make up for the loss of 2 1,000 point scorers

i also noted on averett's roster that they lost quite a few players from last year, many which i think still had eligibility (i know williams was a sr and deleon was a fr...not sure about the others) - in all, they lost 4 of their top 6 scorers, their top assist man, and their top rebounder in williams , deleon, stevenson and cameron brown...interesting
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 30, 2006, 05:40:45 PM
Maybe I was right about Averett then Narch. Losing 4 out of 6 top scores is big at this level.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 30, 2006, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 30, 2006, 05:40:45 PM
Maybe I was right about Averett then Narch.

it's bound to happen sometime :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 31, 2006, 09:58:21 AM
narch -  Last season you and I discussed why Guilford and Methodist haven't played much lately in men's basketball, but I see the Quakers and Monarchs go at it this year in Fayetteville on Dec. 30 at 3 pm.  If there isn't too much going on that Saturday, I may make the drive.   I think the Quakers will be a solid club this year, so I hope they don't stumble in late December and early January as they did last season when they dropped 7 in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan on October 31, 2006, 11:32:39 AM
Are we ready to watch some BASKETBALL ??????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on October 31, 2006, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan on October 31, 2006, 11:32:39 AM
Are we ready to watch some BASKETBALL ??????

Man ive been ready to start watching it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan on October 31, 2006, 05:08:42 PM
Kinda quite on here as opposed to years past ! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 31, 2006, 05:10:43 PM
just bought my tickets on line....I'm ready!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan on October 31, 2006, 05:21:01 PM
I bet those cnu seats are cheep........ LOL !
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on November 01, 2006, 10:55:26 AM
NCW scrimmaged Rockingham Community College last night. Only won by three.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on November 01, 2006, 11:07:47 AM
great to see the monarchs have some good new players. Coach Smith will work his magic and at least get a 3rd place finish out of that group.  That's a good win for NCW. Rockingham isn't the greatest of JUCO teams but they have been in the gym with their coach since the first days of class. I can't wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 01, 2006, 02:03:06 PM
Captains are preseason ranked 18th by d3hoops.com, just released today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 01, 2006, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan on October 31, 2006, 05:21:01 PM
I bet those cnu seats are cheep........ LOL !

oh heck yes!! subsidized by the state tax payer!!! LOL......

$90 bucks a seat x 2 plus a minimum donation of $200 to the Athletic Department....but they count annual contributions...so the $$$ I gave for football more than covered the $200 fee.

Let's see....since late August for football seats, basketball seats and donations...that's $one thousand three hundred and.....heck I've lost count.......

but it's worth it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 01, 2006, 06:24:27 PM
Wow....talk about a turn around in scheduling. Look at CNU's non conf schedule. York (received votes in poll), Defending Champ Va Wesleyan, a ranked Randolph Macon..........a huge turnaround compared to prior years as far as quality of opponents.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 01, 2006, 11:23:32 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 01, 2006, 06:24:27 PM
Wow....talk about a turn around in scheduling. Look at CNU's non conf schedule. York (received votes in poll), Defending Champ Va Wesleyan, a ranked Randolph Macon..........a huge turnaround compared to prior years as far as quality of opponents.

Are any of those games home games? (Lincoln wasn't a bad team to play)  Greensboro and CNU get to see each other alot without playing each other.  Both teams should be scouted well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 02, 2006, 10:04:21 AM
Macon and York (NY) are at home while CNU travels to VWC. Which, according to VWC's schedule, is its home and season opener. So they will be raising the banner and getting their rocks (assuming they havent already) the night the Capts travel across the water!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 02, 2006, 04:08:56 PM
I read in today's paper that the Freeman Center is going to be expanded....wow...it's nice enough as it is!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 02, 2006, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 02, 2006, 04:08:56 PM
I read in today's paper that the Freeman Center is going to be expanded....wow...it's nice enough as it is!

Yes they are going to add an Ice Hockey Rink, Swimming Pool, and the first ever college Arena Football team, (sarcasm)  It is really nice, are they adding more seats or what.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 02, 2006, 10:18:41 PM
If I remember correctly they are adding to the weight room and other minor things.....It didn't sound like the actual inside of the basketball playing area was going to change.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 02, 2006, 11:06:43 PM
Oh ok, well it was a joke.  I think they could renovate the seating, it nice if you sit in the CNU section, but I figured they work on the other side.

That weight room is huge as it is.  A nice addition would be setting up a real Hall of Fame section. (CNU85 head up to NCWC they have real nice Hall of Fame Area.  I enjoy going through there when I make it up there.)

I make a joke and they dock my karma  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 03, 2006, 09:52:59 AM
docked Karma.....that stinks....some people just can't take a joke.

the visitor seats are a bit uncomfortable...I sat up there for a few minutes one or two games to visit with players' parents.....but you can't do to much to them as they need to be 100% removable and quickly for other events like indoor track meets.

I like my chairback seats on the home side.....so if I'm really honest with my answers....I probably would say I don't care how uncomfortable the visitor seats are!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 03, 2006, 10:09:55 AM
Thats understandable too.  They need it to be removable so the indoor track team can work on winning another national championship.

I think they are docking my karma in the men's basketball top 25 talk. I gave them four possible national champions, (and thats what I said 4 possible national champions, and they implied I said the final 4.) My post follows.

"Like I said I will give my 4 possible national champions. (In no order)

Mississippi College
Lawrence
Whittenberg
Va. (Wesleyan)

To make that call with 4 teams out of alot (I am not sure the actual number), I would consider that bold.  Hold those picks to me until the end of the year."

I did a little research when it came to making those predictions 3 out of the last 7 preseason polls whomever was in the 9-13 spot won it. (Va. Wesleyan was no exeception) 2/7 years the preseason poll the number 1 team won it.  I think i had the polls covered 5/7.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 03, 2006, 04:59:36 PM
Keep that post Bball......I can't remember anything 3 days later...and next March is out of the question. Good picks.....I bet out of those 4 possibles at least 2 will be in the hunt after round 2 of the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 05, 2006, 08:38:47 PM
Less than 2 weeks to the season opener! CNU vs. York (NY) in the Free (as i like to refer to it as!). Tip I think is at 730. Cant wait to see what the captains have in store for the CNU faithful this year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 06, 2006, 09:09:16 AM
haha Free...because tickets are far from free at the freeman center  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2006, 11:03:18 AM
may not be free........but the food at halftime is good! I changed my seat location this year...I wonder where I'll end up? I hope Lou doesn't get too lonely up at the camera stand when I leave!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 07, 2006, 09:46:07 AM
hey.....10 days and counting!!!

any word onthe cnu team this year....anybody?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 07, 2006, 10:58:25 AM
CNUs roster may surprise you a bit as to who is missing.  Couple of the big men are gone and the other one (starter) is not 100%.  I'll try to get more info, lol, however my source left the team!   They should be OK and very competitive with barton, seldon, riley and lewis.  Bench could be a little challenged.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 08, 2006, 10:43:24 AM
Nice article in the Daily Press today with the Captains outlook.  Good luck to Matt Coleman, he'll be missed.  CNU will have no trouble scoring this year, but I think a lot of their success will depend on rebounding and defense.   Hopefully Blasingame IS 100%, it would be sad to lose 9.2 rpg when your next highest is 5.2!  I think there defense will be the key, it's nice for the guards to have Riley, Lewis and especially Blasingame's shot blocking ability backing them up.   Regardless they'll certainly light it up. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 08, 2006, 02:38:16 PM
monarchs open the season @ d1 gardner-webb tonight in an exhibition - gwu went 17-12 last year, losing to unc-chapel hill 83-80 in their opener and beating minnesota at their place - they are a solid d1 team, loaded with juco talent (kind of like gc :)), and they're huge - they've got 5 guys that are 6'8" or bigger, and one who is 6'10"/270 - should be good prep for the usasac for the monarchs :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 08, 2006, 07:03:58 PM
I wonder if anyone would be interested in doing a different kind of survior pick in here or where ever.  Rules are very similar to the one in the survior board, with the exception that you need to pick a different team each day and you can't repeat that team for the rest of the year.

Picks will be submited at the beginning of the week.  If you lose Sunday and win through Saturday you are at 6 consecutive games, etc.  Whoever has the longest streak wins at the end of the year. 

I want to try to keep it to about 10 people, just to see if it is feasible.  Is anyone interested? Tell me anything to make it work better.

MLB.com does a similar thing where they do "beat the streak."  Pick a different player everyday to see if you can beat Joe D's 56 game streak.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 09, 2006, 07:13:30 AM
monarchs fell 86-68 last night, but i saw some things i liked in the box score (http://www.gwusports.com/pdf4/50999.pdf?ATCLID=682366&SPID=4168&DB_OEM_ID=10300&SPSID=46209)

#1 - shooting 45% against a d1 opponent and holding them to 43%
#2 - radmonovic had a nice night w/ 18 points, but frosh darrian anderson had 16 points (on 7-11 shooting), 4 assists (0 turnovers), 7 rebounds and 2 steals...pretty nice debut
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 09, 2006, 09:20:15 AM
Not fair Narch!!!! You got to see some hoops already....I have to wait until the 17th!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 09, 2006, 11:18:54 AM
mu season preview (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=246507) from the fayetteville observer
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on November 09, 2006, 11:33:37 AM
Monarchs did a good job against GWU. The balance between the three levels is amazing. I know most will look at the final 86-68 score and laugh at me, but it was a 4 pt. game at the half.  the game had 7 ties and 11 lead changes.  You add that to the fact that the monarchs started 2 freshman and 2 sophmores and the future looks bright.  I will get a first hand look at the monarchs on saturday when they scrimmage Wingate U. I'll be sure to give you my assessment of the team. 


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 09, 2006, 04:12:15 PM
I thought I heard some CNU faithful the other day at the fb game say something about a CNU scrimmage last week and one this weekend. Dont know for sure but its own like a chicken bown next week!! LOL
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 09, 2006, 07:12:29 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 09, 2006, 04:12:15 PM
own like a chicken bown next week!! LOL

Rikki Tikki Tavi....must be the name of a tropical rum drink!!  :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 09, 2006, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Monarch96 on November 09, 2006, 11:33:37 AMthe game had 7 ties and 11 lead changes

way to drill down into the box score, '96...i hadn't even noticed those things

can't wait to get your opinion of mu...is wingate going to be any good this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on November 10, 2006, 09:42:06 AM
Wingate picked to win it's conference with five starters returning from NCAA tournament team. This team should be better than last years. Very athletic with two very good wings. It should be a very good test for both teams. I'll be sure to post with my thoughts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: baselinejam on November 11, 2006, 03:02:34 PM
W&L has a srimmage wiht Ferrum this afternoon. Will anybody be watching the game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 12, 2006, 10:05:04 AM
Is it Friday yet?!?!?!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 12, 2006, 06:21:09 PM
a fun weekend coming up....hoops opener Friday night with the 18th ranked Captains taking the floor...followed by CNU in the playoffs for football on Saturday afternoon. Looks like I'll be on campus quite a bit this weekend....that's gonna cost me...my wife will want something in return!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 12, 2006, 07:55:13 PM
Hey,

CNU player parent here new to this posting thing.  Hope to see everyone at the season opener this Friday.  Game 2 will be the real litmus.  #18 going in... not too shabby!  Look forward to getting the one back the officials took in PA last season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JAF on November 13, 2006, 09:39:11 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Billy McSheppard? There seemed to be quite a bit of excitement around him last year at this time. Is he playing somewhere else?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 13, 2006, 02:19:01 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on November 12, 2006, 07:55:13 PM
Hey,

CNU player parent here new to this posting thing.  Hope to see everyone at the season opener this Friday.  Game 2 will be the real litmus.  #18 going in... not too shabby!  Look forward to getting the one back the officials took in PA last season!

I'll be there...season tickets yet again. Your boy will get more playing time this year. If I see you in the stands I'll stop by and introduce myself....but I probably will not recognnize you unless you just came from work! (At least I hope I remembered from last year that it was you who came to a few games with some patches on your work clothes).  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 13, 2006, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: JAF on November 13, 2006, 09:39:11 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Billy McSheppard? There seemed to be quite a bit of excitement around him last year at this time. Is he playing somewhere else?

rumour is...academic casualty
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 13, 2006, 10:23:52 PM
Nice to see a williamsburger in the mix. Bout time we CNUers expand our boarders a bit. Greetings and welcome to the new CNU parent. Enjoy the show!! Looking for some good stuff from the Captains. I saw the roster on-line today and noticed a name missing, CNU85, can you figure out who it is? I can!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JAF on November 14, 2006, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 13, 2006, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: JAF on November 13, 2006, 09:39:11 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Billy McSheppard? There seemed to be quite a bit of excitement around him last year at this time. Is he playing somewhere else?

rumour is...academic casualty

Wow I hate to hear that. That's a real shame.

Thanks for the info 85
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 14, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 13, 2006, 10:23:52 PM
Nice to see a williamsburger in the mix. Bout time we CNUers expand our boarders a bit. Greetings and welcome to the new CNU parent. Enjoy the show!! Looking for some good stuff from the Captains. I saw the roster on-line today and noticed a name missing, CNU85, can you figure out who it is? I can!
Branch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 14, 2006, 02:43:39 PM
Nope, keep loooking!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 14, 2006, 04:00:27 PM
you are talking about a missing person on the roster, right?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 14, 2006, 04:02:57 PM
Brnach, B Mac, Coleman, Claxton
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2006, 10:15:30 PM
'96 - got that advanced scouting report from the wingate scrimmage...how did the monarchs look...please be brutally honest
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on November 15, 2006, 11:53:25 AM
Radmanovic have a chance to be all-conference this year. He is terrific on offense; shoots 3, creates his shot facing the basket.  He reminds me of a poor man Josh McRoberts from Duke. The two freshman wings Anderson and Bascom are terrrific and have a chance to be really good players for the monarchs if they stay for four years. I was really impressed by them and think once they become more aggressive they will be great compliments to radmanovic. Against Wingate the PG play struggled, but i remember Lehmann from his h.s. days and think once he gets his playing legs back that he will do a good job there along with Lane.  Hopefully a couple of the post players McBryde, Meadows, Moore, Williams, or Shuford, will step up and be a presence in the paint for them on both ends.

I don't want to overreact to the scrimmage against Wingate, because Wingate is a very good DII team with nearly everyone back from a NCAA tournament team last year. I believe the monarchs will improve alot as the season go along and will be in great shape in the USA South.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 15, 2006, 02:05:00 PM
You named him, makes them very shallow on the front line.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2006, 05:11:49 PM
Yo - Rooty Tooty Toot -

We're 6 deep with known players, hopefully 2 new guys will add some depth that we can't predict right now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2006, 05:12:54 PM
Dang...Karma down to a 4...musta really ticked people off on the football boards!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 15, 2006, 07:59:39 PM
Its a three now, 85!!! And I dont think we are as deep as you think they are. I guess we will see Friday and what happens at No. 1 VA Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 15, 2006, 08:00:08 PM
Dang I just realized Ive been dinged too. Down to a 2!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 15, 2006, 08:27:34 PM
96 - thanks for the report...if i'm reading between the lines correctly, the monarchs got beat pretty soundly - that's ok, defending national champ vwc got beat by 23 by mount olive, another upper tier d2...the monarchs will get plenty of challenge with the d1 exhibition, wingate scrimmage and then the ooc schedule
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2006, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 15, 2006, 08:00:08 PM
Dang I just realized Ive been dinged too. Down to a 2!

and I gave you a K yesterday.......you must've really ticked someone off.....as soon as 24 hrs are up...I'll bump you up again!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 16, 2006, 09:40:44 AM
Apparently someone else doesnt like me since Im down to a 1. Oh well, cant please everybody!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2006, 11:35:40 AM
Hoops tomorrow night!! Can't wait! This should be a fairly tough test as York received votes in the preseason poll. What's CJ up to, scheduling these tough games early in the year! anyone going to the VWC game Tuesday? I might since I'm over here anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2006, 11:36:05 AM
I'm down to 3.....I think Narch is having fun!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 16, 2006, 02:39:35 PM
QuoteSorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 24 hours.

i'm trying to help you boys out :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 16, 2006, 04:37:42 PM
Thanks Narch......I'm surprised I'm not in the negative..... people confuse my goofballness with being an idiot!!  :P  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 16, 2006, 06:23:35 PM
Down to zero.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2006, 10:24:07 PM
CNU loses 98-92. Tough game. York is good. The one kid had 36 points. Good news for CNU....Barton - 25 pts.... Selden 22 pts..... Lewis - double/double....new kid Baker....first game...15 pts.

If Witham plays we win.....our big guys got in foul trouble early and we lost aggressiveness.

ummm.....same old thing I've been saying for years.... RE-Freaking-BOUND!!!!
York - 54 pts in the paint....CNU..24......

Tough game coming up...National Champs VWC......did anyone notice the VWC team was at the Freeman Center tonight, checking out CNU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2006, 10:28:02 PM
how many blocks did blasingame have tonight? CNU had 7.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 17, 2006, 10:29:01 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 17, 2006, 10:24:07 PM
York is good

this may very well be true, but they were just 15-14 last year...you're not confusing them with york (pa), are you?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2006, 10:47:21 PM
NArch...you're right...I had them confused.....but I ebt this York team does better than 15-14...that new kid (senior...4th team in 4 years) was impressive. they have cute red headbands, too!!

The VWC Marlins were there...didn't look too concerned about CNU.

I'm feeling positive about CNU. I liked some of what I saw tonight...youth...Barton, Blasingame, Baker.......

I also have a new favorite player...and he didn't play tonight. I hope I get a chance to see him play this year...Kelvin Franklin....a senior....he's tried out for CNU for the past 4 years and he finally has his dream of playing college hoops!!! Now, to me, that's a story for d3hoops.com!! Talk about determination and never giving up!! That's what d3 is all about for me!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2006, 10:54:31 PM
dang.....i just really looked at the CNU roster.....next year we only have 2 big men left...blasingame and luke jackson...

rutrow!!

that's not enough...so next year we'll have Freshmen big men coming off the bench??? rutrow!

maybe it's time for Coach Ross to get another transfer or 2!!!

dang - already looking ahead to next year.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 17, 2006, 10:56:03 PM
Echols had 36 points and 12 rebounds.  Heard CJ on the post game and he said it was his fourth school in four years????  CJ was very upset with the way the game was called.   As CNU85 and CJ said, it really put us on our heels and took away the aggressiveness.   Blasingame had 6 blocks CNU85.  Thought the ref was going to tee him up when he got his third foul he was so ticked off.   He started slow last year, but tough to do with the schedule the Captains have.   Coleman or Witham would have really helped tonight.  They had better pick it up or it will be a long night Tuesday.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 18, 2006, 08:48:35 AM
Absolutely the difference in that game last night was Matt Coleman!! No doubt in my mind. Especially when Korey Lewis picked up two fouls in the first 1:10 of the game. Man were they calling everything last night. I dont have a problem with that. What I have a problem with was our guys not adjusting to it. It seemed no matter what, the three front court players (Riley, Lewis and Blasingame) didnt adjust the way they played defense when they started calling every touch foul. No blame on the refs here, I just think they could have done a better job adjusting to the way the game was being called.

Theo Baker has a ton of potential and his ceiling is sky high. I like that kid and I think he can be a great player in that program. But they will be hurting next year if they dont get some post players in. I hope they have their casting nets out now! They will need several forces down low in 07-08. But we gotta worry about 06-07!!! Cant think ahead yet!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2006, 10:07:19 AM
Greenboro over Piedmont 81-71 at Ferrum.  PC came back to tie it at 69, but GC pulled away in the final 3 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 19, 2006, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 17, 2006, 10:24:07 PM
CNU loses 98-92. Tough game. York is good. The one kid had 36 points. Good news for CNU....Barton - 25 pts.... Selden 22 pts..... Lewis - double/double....new kid Baker....first game...15 pts.

If Witham plays we win.....our big guys got in foul trouble early and we lost aggressiveness.

ummm.....same old thing I've been saying for years.... RE-Freaking-BOUND!!!!
York - 54 pts in the paint....CNU..24......

Tough game coming up...National Champs VWC......did anyone notice the VWC team was at the Freeman Center tonight, checking out CNU?

No doubt we gave up the paint to York.  I'd like to jump in and say something prophetic but I think you've all pretty much hit the nail wrt where the heck the breakdown was Friday night.  As someone mentioned earlier...Mark B. had a slightly slow start last year, but I contributed that to Freshman nerves... hopefully it's a trend, and we'll "push it up" for the next one. (Yes 85...I was the fella in the goofy green overalls last year).  See you all at VWC!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 19, 2006, 11:42:33 AM
Personally I think the team will be fine, certainly it would be a bit of a speedy generalization to make any predictions on this team after one game.   Just like last year it will take some time to develop chemistry and for some players to get their game legs.  GIve the big guys some time,  afterall they did lead the nation in blocked shots last year and Blasingame was second in the USA South in rebounding.  Actually it's nice to see Korey lead the team in rebounding for a change.  If he keeps that up and Blasingame can at least average close to last years totals they will be fine.
Lastly, CJ will have to find some depth on the bench, but I bet he will have someone come in the Spring semester, much like Jamar did to add depth and toughness on the inside. 

A problem as stated by "rick tiki" (I love that handle!) is the players must be smart enough to adjust to the refs.   Hopefully it was a lesson well learned Friday night. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 19, 2006, 05:20:39 PM
can another cnu fan join this board? i don't thnk there can be too many, right? i walked back to on friday night really disappointed with the results of the york game. can we get some defense, please?  98 points! having witham on the bench in street clothes seemed to leave us really short, in more ways than one.  and where is matt colman? besides the lack of defense, i was surprised to see us abandon the 3-pt shot so much. in a 6 min stretch in the first we shot 8 3-ptrs to go from a couple points down to a 10 point lead. after that we only took 3 more 3-pt tries in the last 9 minutes of the half.  by then we needed the trey by seldon at the buzzer just to get us back to within 4. we shot 44% from long range for the game, and only 40% from inside the 3-point line. you don't need to be a mensan to figure out that if you make 44% of your 3-ptrs, and 40% of your 2-ptrs, you'll maximize your point total by shooting from long. this was a disappointing game, but it might be that york is a very good team. they were a ncaa tournament team last year and added the guy that dropped 36 and 12 on us.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2006, 12:01:04 PM
I knew when I saw your name...notamensa that you had to be from CNU.  :D

the problem we were having with the 3 pointers is that EVERYBODY seemed to be above the arch when we shot a trey.....rebounds would be nice....but I've been hollering "follow your shot" on this board for years.....never happens.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 20, 2006, 12:23:13 PM
We were a pretty good defensive rebounding team last year.   The one area I hope we'll improve in is offensive rebounds, especially with Riley starting at the 3.  Obviously rebounding is a lot about blocking out, especially on the defensive end.  But offensive rebounding is more about tenacity, toughness and desire with a little technique added in.  I think our 3, 4 and 5 are capable.   What they cannot do is pace themselves over concern for a short bench.   In other words "sic'em" on the boards!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 20, 2006, 12:27:10 PM
Congrats to the USASouth this weekend.  To the Pride and Panthers going 4-0 this weekend beating the GSAC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 20, 2006, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 20, 2006, 12:01:04 PM
I knew when I saw your name...notamensa that you had to be from CNU.  :D

the problem we were having with the 3 pointers is that EVERYBODY seemed to be above the arch when we shot a trey.....rebounds would be nice....but I've been hollering "follow your shot" on this board for years.....never happens.

my father hammered me with that message my entire life... "you aint no mensa, kid. you better work a little harder than everyone else", until it's sort of become my mantra for life.

i noticed also that everyone seems to be bunched up together all the time, either down low or outside. i would like for them to spread the court on offense, and having good long range shooters helps do that. i think that lewis would be more effective with a little more room under the glass.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 20, 2006, 12:47:55 PM
Yep, congrats to Greensboro and Ferrum ... they played well.

But a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game ... see exerpt below from a post on the GSAC board ...

"Baldwin went for 21 and 7 and 23 and 10 (pts and reb) and made the all tourney team. He was virtually unstoppable except by the officiating crew (two of them made my all-tourney defensive team) who fouled him out in 18 minutes vs. Ferrum. He may have committed 3 of them. Without the two "big stops" by the Zebras, we would have won the Ferrum game easily. Baldwin was working on a 30/15 game when the officials decided to take the game over."

http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Basketball-M/2006-07%20Stats/fcm1118.htm

But, what are you going to do? Unfortunately, that sort of officiating is just part of the game sometimes ...

Let me put down my crying towel and end on a positive note. Kudos to Ferrum's Gary Holden and the great staff he had working the games ... those folks did an excellent job!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 20, 2006, 01:31:46 PM
Agree spacing would help, but don't think you'll see it early on especially against man-to-man, though should be better against zones.  CNU has been running the same offense for some time, I believe it's a variation of the "flex."   It was pretty successful as the season wore on last year.  But it is pretty crowded down low for our big guys and if they don't move quickly they get doubled by "quick" guards.   And small quick guards are a "staple" of D-III!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2006, 02:32:25 PM
It didn't look "crowded down low" to me when we were taking outside shots! Like I said, for years I've been on here fussing about lack of offensive rebounds. It must have to do with the coaching and game plans, offense used, etc......been going on for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 20, 2006, 02:57:48 PM
there seems to be lots of talk about the refs. im guessing that officiating is a common source of angst on this site. do you think that maybe the refs (collectively) are starting the season trying to make a statement that contact will be called tightly this year? in the cnu game friday night i also saw some bad palming calls/non-calls. both teams got called fo it at least once, but both could have been called several more times.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 20, 2006, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 20, 2006, 02:32:25 PM
It didn't look "crowded down low" to me when we were taking outside shots! Like I said, for years I've been on here fussing about lack of offensive rebounds. It must have to do with the coaching and game plans, offense used, etc......been going on for as long as I can remember.

i said before that they were bunched up both inside and outside. every time i watch a game in the freeman center i am amazed at how crowded the floor looks. our guys are smaller than d1 players and pros, but when i watch tv it just seems like theyre spaced out more. arent all bball courts the same size? maybe its because of my perspective from the student section?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 20, 2006, 03:04:42 PM
Listening to some of the comments after the game Friday I think the live scrimmages the team played were called much differently.  If that's true it's a shame because it would have been an op for the zebras to start getting their points across.  The players have to adjust accordingly during games, but still if you've been practicing and scrimmaging one way it makes it really tough.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 20, 2006, 05:49:46 PM
Give the refs some slack early on, they are just getting started on the season.  If the problem is still there in the middle of the season then the comments are well deserved.  As long as the fouls are even in the games then I have no complaints.  I just don't like it when one team only gets 10 free-throws FT's and the other gets 25.  That puts the games more into the refs hands and not the teams hands.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2006, 08:58:51 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 20, 2006, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 20, 2006, 02:32:25 PM
It didn't look "crowded down low" to me when we were taking outside shots! Like I said, for years I've been on here fussing about lack of offensive rebounds. It must have to do with the coaching and game plans, offense used, etc......been going on for as long as I can remember.

i said before that they were bunched up both inside and outside. every time i watch a game in the freeman center i am amazed at how crowded the floor looks. our guys are smaller than d1 players and pros, but when i watch tv it just seems like theyre spaced out more. arent all bball courts the same size? maybe its because of my perspective from the student section?

I think it's the perspective. To me, everything look sbigger and more spaced out on TV. The ffotball field on TV looks more than 100 yds.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 20, 2006, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 20, 2006, 12:01:04 PM
I knew when I saw your name...notamensa that you had to be from CNU.  :D

i thought it was another gc fan, and clearly it COULDN'T be a MU fan, right :)

monarchs hammered nna 86-59 on sunday...game story here (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/apprentice1119.htm) - since i was unable to attend the game, i'm not sure what nna is like this year, but that's a great way to start, especially when the next 5 games are on the road and almost all are against tournament teams from last year - mcbryde got a double-double with 18-11 (7 off rebounds!) and didn't miss a shot...he's got so much potential...maybe this will be a breakout year for him (that would be nice) - lane had a nice game, as well, going for 15 in 13 minutes...we'll have to call him the microwave if he continues to produce like that
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 20, 2006, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 20, 2006, 12:47:55 PMBut a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game ...

old lion - minus one karma point for crying about the refs

i'll say this right up front before the season gets in full swing - officials don't win or lose games, players (and sometimes coaches) do

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 20, 2006, 05:49:46 PMI just don't like it when one team only gets 10 free-throws FT's and the other gets 25.

what if the team shooting 25 ft's was fouled more often or fouled more often when shooting than the team with 10 ft's?

officials are right 90% of the time...when they aren't right, the calls usually even out over the course of a game - if one team fouls more than the other it's usually because one of the teams is more aggressive/better conditioned/more athletic or just plain better

i could care less about this whole karma thing, but i will smite everyone i see complaining about officials on this board :) (unless it's a monarch fan, of course  ;))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 20, 2006, 11:01:51 PM
Quote from: narch on November 20, 2006, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 20, 2006, 12:47:55 PMBut a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game ...

old lion - minus one karma point for crying about the refs

i'll say this right up front before the season gets in full swing - officials don't win or lose games, players (and sometimes coaches) do

officials are right 90% of the time...when they aren't right, the calls usually even out over the course of a game

I hear you Narch, and 99% of the time I agree with you. The vast majority of the time, poor officiating does tend to even out over the course of a game.

BUT, there are exceptions to every general rule ... and if you really think your statement, "officials don't win or lose games, players (and sometimes coaches) do" is true 100% of the time, then you haven't seen as much basketball as I thought.

You had an old friend there ... ask his opinion.

And finally, it hurts me deeply that you saw fit to smite me ... but I'll learn to live with the pain ...  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 20, 2006, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: narch on November 20, 2006, 09:38:30 PM

i'll say this right up front before the season gets in full swing - officials don't win or lose games, players (and sometimes coaches) do


officials are right 90% of the time...when they aren't right, the calls usually even out  over the course of a game -

Narch, I reread your post ... and at the end of it  you proved that you don't believe, absolutely, what you said at the beginning of it.

As long as you dilute your original assertion by including the word "usually", I agree with you 100%.

Apology accepted.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 21, 2006, 12:07:29 AM
I wasn't complaining, I just said I didn't like it (Narch, I think you know when I complain).  I know there are many fans out there that have said with less then a second left yell "why did you call a foul there."  Player hits two free throws and wins the ball game.  Either side could argue he hit the FT's so he won. Player control. But the ref called a foul when play could have decided the game.  Ref control.  I have played games football and basketball where officals have said "take it easy on them." If that isn't ref control then, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2006, 09:01:09 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 21, 2006, 12:07:29 AM
I know there are many fans out there that have said with less then a second left yell "why did you call a foul there."  Player hits two free throws and wins the ball game.  Either side could argue he hit the FT's so he won. Player control. But the ref called a foul when play could have decided the game.  Ref control. 

what is a foul in the first 10 seconds of a game is a foul in the last 10 seconds, as well...period...end of discussion


Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 21, 2006, 12:07:29 AMI have played games football and basketball where officals have said "take it easy on them." If that isn't ref control then, I don't know what is.

i'm not sure of the context of your quote, but isn't it the job of the officials to ensure that a game is being played fairly and within the rules?...if an official notices an extra shove or a foul that is a little harder than necessary and says "take it easy", that's what they are supposed to do...it's his/her JOB to make sure that the players play within the boundries of the rules and fair play...in other words, to CONTROL the play of the game - if you didn't have officials, you'd have chaos on the court (or field)

old_lion - i haven't talked to my old friend in a few weeks, but knowing him the way i do, i'll bet he doesn't use officiating as an excuse for losing a couple of games - and i used the term "usually" because, unfortunately, nobody is perfect...in the case of a game in which the officiating seems somewhat one-sided, good teams adjust - even with my "usually" caveat, i still believe wholeheartedly (100% of the time) that officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 21, 2006, 10:16:10 AM
 

Narch, I agree with most of what you're saying.  However, a good official communicates well and often.  You'll hear the good refs do this throughout a game.  The players have to adjust, but a good referee can help them adjust.  Granted it does not always happen.  But when one team makes 41 trips to the line and the other 29 it's a little hard to get into a rhythm and is definitely NOT a fan friendly game.  I went to most every game last year at CNU and have been to many high schools games in this area.  Many of the refs are the same.   A couple have a "serious" tude.  We had one particular ref who would "tee" you up if you exhaled wrong and he REALLY seemed to enjoy it.  But will have to say the majority are very, very good.

Refs do not win or lose games, but they can impact the ebb and flow of a game.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 21, 2006, 11:11:52 AM
When I said "take it easy on them" I mean that.  We could be beating a team by 20+ points and they want us to take it easy on them.  I recall one incident when I was playing football in high school and the official told me to take it easy on the QB.  I was an OLB and sacked the guy.  I couldn't believe they would say that.  I told the coach the ref told me to to take it easy.  (Coach said What?, well don't worry about it.) 

Again though I never said an official wins or loses a ball game, but do have to agree it messes up the flow of the game.

Agreed a foul in the first 10 secs is a foul in the last 10 secs.  Two differences though one foul can decide the game (The last 10 seconds there probably is FT's coming unlike the first 10 secs) 

I would say its harder to be a ref in basketball then football because you always have fans (indoors where sound is concentrated) (especially at d3 level where there aren't 20,000+ at a game asking for a call) and a coach up and down the box trying to "work the officals" to get a call which he/she could get within the last 10 secs.  So you could say getting a foul called in the last 10 secs with the game on the line is a result of good coaching.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 12:09:26 PM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2006, 09:01:09 AM
old_lion - i haven't talked to my old friend in a few weeks, but knowing him the way i do, i'll bet he doesn't use officiating as an excuse for losing a couple of games - and i used the term "usually" because, unfortunately, nobody is perfect...in the case of a game in which the officiating seems somewhat one-sided, good teams adjust - even with my "usually" caveat, i still believe wholeheartedly (100% of the time) that officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games

Ok narch, interesting discussion we have going here ... but let's stick to the facts.

No one has said that "officiating was an excuse for losing a couple of games". I said that, "a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game" ... meaning literally, that he was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game ... meaning literally, that while Ferrum could not stop Baldwin, he could ...and did, with a couple of BS foul calls.

Ferrum does great stats ... you can look it up ...
http://www.ferrum.edu/athletics/Basketball-M/2006-07%20Stats/fcm1118.htm#GAME.BX2


Good teams adjust, huh? OK, since you seem to be 100% sure of your position, tell me how you'd "adjust" to this hypothetical situation ...

You are the Coach of a very undersized team, but you have one talented big man whose having a very good day. In fact, he's by far the best scorer and rebounder in the gym that day. He's had a good 1st half ... 13 pts, 5 reb, 1 foul in 13 minutes ... but you are down 37/26 at halftime.

You come out strong in the 2nd half and make a run. In the first 3 minutes, you outscore them 13 to 2 and tie it up. Unfortunately, over that same 3 minutes, your big guy (while scoring 10 points and getting 3 rebounds) commits his 2nd and 3rd fouls. One of them was sort of cheap, but he commits them. So you have to sit him for awhile ... about 5 minutes.

So you put him back in at about the 12 minute mark. Almost immediately (about a minute) he is charged with his 4th foul on a ridiculous call where he wasn't even in the area. Clearly the official just called out the wrong #. You protest respectfully, and at length, but he refuses to correct it. Whether this is simply incompetence, or blatant cheating, you have no way of knowing, but it doesn't matter. The 4th foul is on the books and you have to sit him again ... now with your team down 2.

Your under sized team battles valiantly, actually taking the lead a couple of times ... but with about 5 minutes to go you are down 4 and it's starting to slip away, their over whelming size is starting to wear you down, so you have to bring him back. Almost immediately (less than a minute) Mr MVP ref calls holding, away from the ball, and your big guy is gone. Even though, you know banging and fighting for position goes on between "the bigs" the entire game, you can't believe your guy would do something, away from the ball, so blatant, in that situation, to warrant being called. In fact, you know he wouldn't. But, the 5th foul is on the books and he is gone.

So tell me, Mr. "officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games", how are you going to adjust to that situation?

And remember you are the one that said, "(100% of the time) that officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games" ... well, I'm usually skeptical of people who speak in absolutes, but if that's where you want to "draw your line in the sand", go for it.   ::)

All I said was that, "a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game" ... meaning literally, that he was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game ... and he was. That's not an excuse ... that's a fact. Hey, stuff happens. No one ever said life was 100% fair. At least not to me ... I don't deal with too many people who speak in absolutes.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 21, 2006, 01:13:34 PM
Well said Old Lion well said.  It looks this debate is centered around the mascots of "lions"  Monarchs, Lions, and Pride (Grant it Narch has the understanding Pride meaning lady lions.  Where pride means leader of the pack or pride-group of lions) 

Pride-

6. the best of a group, class, society, etc
10. a group of lions. 

(Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Pride )

Or Pride as in PrideSportBBallGuy

1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.  (My opinion but frankly not anyone else)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Monarch96 on November 21, 2006, 01:51:40 PM
Great way to start for the monarchs. I think this team will get better and better. I'm glad McBride was able to contribute. I think that's the key for them. One or two of those bigs have got to be a factor, outside of radmonovic. 

Go Monarchs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2006, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 12:09:26 PM

Ok narch, interesting discussion we have going here ... but let's stick to the facts.


not really  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 21, 2006, 02:25:36 PM

not really  ;D

Sorry to bore you ... you do know how to log off, right?  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 03:38:49 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 12:09:26 PM

And remember you are the one that said, "(100% of the time) that officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games" ... well, I'm usually skeptical of people who speak in absolutes, but if that's where you want to "draw your line in the sand", go for it.   ::)

All I said was that, "a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game" ... meaning literally, that he was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game ... and he was. That's not an excuse ... that's a fact. Hey, stuff happens. No one ever said life was 100% fair. At least not to me ... I don't deal with too many people who speak in absolutes.  8)


everyone seems to be really upset over this ref issue. sorry if i opened old wounds by asking if people thought the refs were sending an early season message by calling the game so closely friday night. it wasnt a complaint, just a question. it seems that folks want to beat up on narch, and i dont see why. old lion has even added "100% of the time" to narchs comments, which narch did not say. go back and read it. that seems like a blatant mis-quote to me. narch said in the same post that "the calls usually even out over the course of a game". i emphasize the word "usually" here to make the point thast narch is definitely not speaking in absolutes. lets erase all the lines in the sand and talk about basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 03:50:09 PM
any speculation on how far cnu will fall when the new top-25 is posted? i think right in the middle of those also receiving votes but not in the top-25. i also think that york (ny) should definitely get some votes. how could they not have had even a single vote in the pre-season top-25 when they were voted pre-season #1 in their division (2 divisions in their conference)? they were a ncaa tournament team, after all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 03:55:05 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 03:50:09 PM
any speculation on how far cnu will fall when the new top-25 is posted? i think right in the middle of those also receiving votes but not in the top-25. i also think that york (ny) should definitely get some votes. how could they not have had even a single vote in the pre-season top-25 when they were voted pre-season #1 in their division (2 divisions in their conference)? they were a ncaa tournament team, after all.

cnus new ranking will be determined by the timing of the new top-25 in relation to the vwc game tonight. my thought above was based on the new poll being announced before the vwc game. when are the new polls typically announced?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 03:58:02 PM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2006, 09:01:09 AM

old_lion - i haven't talked to my old friend in a few weeks, but knowing him the way i do, i'll bet he doesn't use officiating as an excuse for losing a couple of games - and i used the term "usually" because, unfortunately, nobody is perfect...in the case of a game in which the officiating seems somewhat one-sided, good teams adjust - even with my "usually" caveat, i still believe wholeheartedly (100% of the time) that officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games

Wrong notamensa, this is the exact quote, copied from above ... color added to help you focus ...  ;)

narch and I aren't upset ... just having a theoretical discussion, that apparently you aren't following ... that's OK, lots of us are notamensa. :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 04:39:26 PM
my bad. i should have stayed out of it. i was going by his original post (1766). it appears that he did indeed draw a line in the sand with the 100% comment. i still think though that we should all just move on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 04:54:43 PM
my ride is here so im headed home for turkey day now. wish i could see the vwc game tonight but my gal awaits. not sure my would have made it up the grade coming out of the hr tunnel anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on November 21, 2006, 08:27:08 PM
Narch, as soon as the Monarchs lose you will be blaming the refs. What a dickhead.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2006, 09:31:52 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 21, 2006, 01:13:34 PM
It looks this debate is centered around the mascots of "lions"  Monarchs, Lions, and Pride (Grant it Narch has the understanding Pride meaning lady lions.  Where pride means leader of the pack or pride-group of lions) 

you can cite whatever dictionary you want...a PRIDE of lions is composed primarily of female lions that are subordinate to a dominant male, or MONARCH - the female/male ratio is typically around 8 to 1 among mature cats...sounds like a bunch of lady lions to me

however, none of this is germane to the conversation at hand...this debate has absolutely NOTHING to do with mascots, and i'm not sure why you would think it did
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2006, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 21, 2006, 08:27:08 PM
Narch, as soon as the Monarchs lose you will be blaming the refs. What a dickhead.

if i ever blame officials for a loss, please feel free to call me out...i can assure you that i never have, but i can't guarantee i never will

and your inability to debate a point in a mature and intellectual fashion (and, i might point out, within the parameters of the terms of service you agreed to when registering on this website) speaks volumes...we're discussing officiating and you retort to childish name calling - brilliant!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 09:39:06 PM
nooooo! tell me we didnt just lose to vwc by one point!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 09:58:57 PM
from fishtankfan on the odac board -

"Congratulations to the Marlins on winning the season opener.  Another heart-stopper, another come from behind victory with under 5 seconds left.  CNU played a good game and the Marlins had their problems but they pulled out another unbelievable win .  Marlins led early and often and were up 38-35 at the half  but CNU hung in there and played tough.  The Marlins' experience won it for them in the end through sheer determination and never say die attitude.  No other reason to explain it.  They should have lost but didn't.  The defense kept them in the game and Macedo made the adjustments needed to pull the game out.  If every game goes down to the wire like this one... VWC will have to give out pacemakers to all their fans.. WTGGGGGG Marlins...29 in a row...and counting.  Congrats to CNU for giving the Marlins almost all they could handle tonight." 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2006, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 12:09:26 PM
Good teams adjust, huh? OK, since you seem to be 100% sure of your position, tell me how you'd "adjust" to this hypothetical situation...So tell me, Mr. "officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games", how are you going to adjust to that situation?

first off, it's narch (or mr. narch), not "mr. officiating does not determine the outcome of games", although i had been considering changing my handle, and that was one of the possibilities :)

here is how a good TEAM would adjust...another individual would step up and contribute...i see it all the time...guys ADJUST and fill roles they aren't accustomed to - i didn't say it was easy, i simply said that's what needed to happen

Quote from: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 12:09:26 PM
All I said was that, "a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game" ... meaning literally, that he was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game ... and he was. That's not an excuse ... that's a fact.

see, to me, this still sounds a lot like you feel the officials determined the OUTCOME of the game, as in had they not called those fouls, piedmont would have won...and you're calling it a FACT - is it POSSIBLE that the officials were correct on each of the fouls they called?  is it possible that had the player in question been available to play, the outcome might have been the same...i mean, the player in question did have 7 turnovers in that game...might he have given ferrrum an extra possession or 2 by way of turnover had he been in the game longer?  maybe the player in question was effective BECAUSE he only played 18 minutes and was fresh when he was in the game...who knows? - it seems an awfully big leap to assume that ONE PLAYER would have completely changed the outcome of a game...but then, i believe in the TEAM concept (something i KNOW the piedmont coach espouses, as well)

i'd personally like to think that if piedmont had shot better than 37% overall and 27% from 3 they could have won...maybe if they hadn't turned the ball over 19 times the outcome would have been different...perhaps if they had kept ferrum off the offensive glass, they would have won...instead, you chose to blame (at least partially) the loss on the officials - that's your prerogative, but i stand behind my statement of opinion..."officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games" - feel free to quote me at ANY POINT in the future, and understand i fully realize i'm drawing a line in the sand...i've drawn it before, i'm sure i'll draw it again - also, feel free to disagree with my opinion - realize, however, that in my mind, anyone who moans about officials in relation to the outcome of a game sounds like they are whining

the lions are still my 2nd favorite d3 team, and you're still my favorite gsac poster, though (although scottiedoug is gaining on you with posts like the ones earlier :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2006, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 09:58:57 PM
from fishtankfan on the odac board -

"Congratulations to the Marlins on winning the season opener.  Another heart-stopper, another come from behind victory with under 5 seconds left.  CNU played a good game and the Marlins had their problems but they pulled out another unbelievable win .  Marlins led early and often and were up 38-35 at the half  but CNU hung in there and played tough.  The Marlins' experience won it for them in the end through sheer determination and never say die attitude.  No other reason to explain it.  They should have lost but didn't.  The defense kept them in the game and Macedo made the adjustments needed to pull the game out.  If every game goes down to the wire like this one... VWC will have to give out pacemakers to all their fans.. WTGGGGGG Marlins...29 in a row...and counting.  Congrats to CNU for giving the Marlins almost all they could handle tonight." 

sounds like a great game...too bad the capts couldn't pull it out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 21, 2006, 10:13:15 PM
Great college game tonight!  Captains let one get away, up 71 – 66 with two minutes left.  VWC scored the last six points to pull it out.  Two sophomores played well, both finished with 15 points.  Blasingame played well against Adair the college player of the year in 2006.  Adair is one heck of a smart player, but Blasingame used his height advantage well against him.  Nice to see him be aggressive on the offensive end, hope to see more of that.  Davon hit some big shots and did a great job of running the offense!

Ed, Korey and Donta all had some outstanding moments. 

Blasingame missed a one and one with about 25 seconds left.  But the real story was "turnovers!"  We had 17 to VWC's 7.  Couple of key ones at the end.  Theo Baker has a great future at CNU.  Nice job by Mike Witham and Justin Kraut off the bench when the team got into foul trouble. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2006, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 03:50:09 PMi also think that york (ny) should definitely get some votes. how could they not have had even a single vote in the pre-season top-25 when they were voted pre-season #1 in their division (2 divisions in their conference)? they were a ncaa tournament team, after all.

they (york) were also 15-13 last year...getting pre-season top 25 votes after a season like that is tough and being #1 in your conference doesn't necessarily mean you're a top 25 team - the monarchs won 3 straight conference championships and won 17, 18 and 20 games (against a tough non-conference schedule) in those 3 years, and i don't think they got ANY pre-season top 25 votes (although i could be wrong...they may have gotten a few last year)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 21, 2006, 10:50:13 PM
lost 71-72 to the defending national champs...does that qualify as a "heartbreaker"?  OK...I get it...We failed to adjust to a "Closely called" game Friday against York, but how do you adjust to what I witnessed tonight?  Was that also a "tightly called" game, or am I justified in crediting one particular fella in stripes with something close to a 10 point swing tonight.  BTW...rumor is Mark Blasingame was credited with ZERO blocked shots tonight...rumor.
OK....enough about that (I tend to wear my emotions a bit far down the sleeve at times)>  Bottom line--The Captains looked good tonight, I think they flat out-played the Marlins and came up short, kind of like Seatle did in last years Super Bowl after spanking the Steelers for 60 minutes.  How about that #24!?  Didn't get any shots off tonight, but put up some pretty nice "D" when he came in to spell Dante' for foul trouble. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 21, 2006, 11:00:25 PM
LOL @ how about that 24!! Way to give some kudos Capt!!I listened to the entire game tonight and what a game it was. I think it gave me heart palpatations!! Man!! Reminded me of the two times the Capts played Lincoln last year!! Whew, they sounded good, now they need to go out and get two this weekend and then prepare for RMC next Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 21, 2006, 11:11:40 PM
You can bet the come line on CNU this weekend Rikki--They really did look like the Captains of Feb/Mar 2006.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2006, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 21, 2006, 08:27:08 PM
Narch, as soon as the Monarchs lose you will be blaming the refs. What a ...

Hmm ... who's the (word removed) here?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 21, 2006, 11:59:16 PM
The mascot reference was a reference to which fans seemed to debate over the issue.  None of us backed down.  Something lions are known not to do, and that is back down. (it was a joke)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 01:23:23 AM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2006, 10:08:01 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 21, 2006, 12:09:26 PM
All I said was that, "a ref was the MVP of the Ferrum/Piedmont game" ... meaning literally, that he was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game ... and he was. That's not an excuse ... that's a fact.

see, to me, this ,(1) still sounds a lot like you feel the officials determined the OUTCOME of the game  as in had they not called those fouls, piedmont would have won...and you're calling it a FACT - (2) is it POSSIBLE that the officials were correct on each of the fouls they called? (3) is it possible that had the player in question been available to play, the outcome might have been the same  ...i mean, the player in question did have 7 turnovers in that game...might he have given ferrrum an extra possession or 2 by way of turnover had he been in the game longer?  (4) maybe the player in question was effective BECAUSE he only played 18 minutes  and was fresh when he was in the game  ...who knows? - it seems an awfully big leap to assume that ONE PLAYER would have completely changed the outcome of a game...but then,(5)  i believe in the TEAM concept  (something i KNOW the piedmont coach espouses, as well)

i'd personally like to think that (6) if piedmont had shot better  than 37% overall and 27% from 3 they could have won...maybe if they hadn't turned the ball over 19 times the outcome would have been different...perhaps if they had kept ferrum off the offensive glass,  they would have won...instead, you chose to blame (at least partially) the loss on the officials - that's your prerogative, but i stand behind my statement of opinion..."officiating DOES NOT determine the outcome of games" - feel free to quote me at ANY POINT in the future, and understand i fully realize i'm drawing a line in the sand...i've drawn it before, i'm sure i'll draw it again - also, feel free to disagree with my opinion - realize, however, that in my mind, anyone who moans about officials in relation to the outcome of a game (7) sounds like they are whining  

the lions are still my 2nd favorite d3 team, and (8) you're still my favorite gsac poster, though (although scottiedoug is gaining on you with posts like the ones earlier )


(1)  No, that would be silly ... there are way too many variables involved to say any one of then determined the outcome, 100%. I thought my quote you posted above was pretty clear ... read it one more time. He was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game ... that's the fact.

(2) No

(3)  Certainly, but not likely.

(4)  Now you're pushing it ... He played 5 minutes in the 2nd half. I think he is well-conditioned enough to have gutted it out for another few minutes had the crap-for-brains, incompetent officials not forced him to the bench with not one, but two atrociously bad calls.

(5) No one believes in the TEAM concept more than Piedmont does ... or than I do. And our guys did step up big time, over compensated, and came pretty close to pulling it out anyway. But the fact remains, at least at this point in the season, Baldwin is by far our most accomplished big man. And while his wrongful forced absence for most of the 2nd half certainly didn't determine the OUTCOME 100% ... gosh, to say that would just be silly ... I would say, let's see ...  how can I put this succinctly? Oh, I know ... it was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game.   :D That's a teaching technique ... it's called spaced repetition ... you keep repeating key concepts and sooner or later, it soaks in.  ;)

(6)  Let's see ... shoot better and keep Ferrum off the glass ... believe it or not, we thought of that. We even tried our best to do just that. Here's a thought ... I bet our chances of actually doing it would have been significantly improved had our best rebounder and scorer been allowed to play the 2nd half.  ::)

(7)  I agree, I was whining ... You should have seen me at the time ... I was also pissing, moanin' and bitchin ... but that still doesn't mean Mr. Crap-for-brains, incompetent official didn't unjustly force our best big man to the bench.

(8)  Your favorite GSAC poster? I believe there's a term for that ... it's called "damning with faint praise" ... but thanks, anyway.  :D

I've got to give you credit, Mr. Narch ... you're relentless, you're starting to wear me down ... much like Ferrum's superior size wore us down after Mr. Crap-for-brains, incompetent official unjustly forced our best big man to the bench. BTW, while I certainly wouldn't say that determined the OUTCOME 100% ... unquestionably, it was an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game. That's all.

Spaced repetition, baby ... spaced repetition ...   ;)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 22, 2006, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2006, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 21, 2006, 08:27:08 PM
Narch, as soon as the Monarchs lose you will be blaming the refs. What a ...

Hmm ... who's the (word removed) here?

LOL good call Mr. Coleman!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2006, 08:15:24 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 21, 2006, 08:27:08 PM
Narch, as soon as the Monarchs lose you will be blaming the refs. What a dickhead.

here's what i'd like to understand from you pride1fan...why am i a (word removed)?  what did i do or say to you?

your parents must be really proud that their investment in your greensboro education has paid off so well
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:35:51 AM
an interesting statistic from the cnu/vwc game is that cnu was 5 of 8 (63%) from 3 point range. maybe i should revise my earlier theory that we should attempt more 3 point shots. the strategy used last night obviously worked. i guess thats why coaches coach and fans watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2006, 08:38:09 AM
old_lion - knowing you as i do, i'm going to have to bow out of this most interesting conversation and say we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue

but, being the statistician that i am, i have developed a formula to determine the outcome of the game had baldwin not been saddled with obviously uncalled for fouls

here is the formula:
[(points per minute + rebounds per minute) * fatigue coefficient] - (turnovers per minute * fatigue coefficient) = htwag (which measures player impact in a hypothetical, theoretical wild-a**-guess sort of way)

and here are the numbers to plug into this formula:
[(1.28 + .55)*3.145926] - (.39*3.145926) = 4.53

this number represents the addtional points that piedmont would have scored if jake baldwin had stayed in the game...of course, we all know that you can't score 4.53 points in a game, so i'll be generous and round up to 5

without the completely bs calls (to paraphrase old_lion, if i may), piedmont would have scored 5 additional points...and lost 70-69 instead of 70-64

you see, it's all so easy when you break things down scientifically :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2006, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 03:50:09 PMi also think that york (ny) should definitely get some votes. how could they not have had even a single vote in the pre-season top-25 when they were voted pre-season #1 in their division (2 divisions in their conference)? they were a ncaa tournament team, after all.

they (york) were also 15-13 last year...getting pre-season top 25 votes after a season like that is tough and being #1 in your conference doesn't necessarily mean you're a top 25 team -

i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters? i see that the new top 25 poll is not out. does that mean that the games on tuesday will be considered? it will be really interesting to see the rankings for cnu and york (ny) if that is the case.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 22, 2006, 09:56:34 AM
Narch!  When did I fall to number two? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on November 22, 2006, 10:45:34 AM
I'm new to the group but wanted everyone to know that Averett beat H-S last night in Farmville.  Good game with H-S ahead by 1 at the half.  Averett came back and held on to the lead as we finally got the 3's to fall in the second half. 

Monday night we have VWC at home so it will be a good gut check for the team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 22, 2006, 11:11:59 AM
Holy schnikies!! Go Averett! Great win for the Cougars!! Im glad that losing four or five of their top players from last year so far hasn't slowed them down. Had the Capts won last night, that would have been a great night for the USA South. Either way, it still was a positive night for the conference as a whole.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 12:14:24 PM
i see that ncwes has had a rough stqart. theres some consolation though that their three opponents have a combuned record of 8-0.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2006, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters? i see that the new top 25 poll is not out. does that mean that the games on tuesday will be considered? it will be really interesting to see the rankings for cnu and york (ny) if that is the case.

mensa - i understood your point completely, but a 15-13 team is going to be hard pressed to receive NATIONAL top 25 votes, even if the coaches in their conference voted them the best team in their conference

to give you a little perspective, here is an example:
kings is the last team in the d3hoops.com pre-season poll, getting 1 vote....they were regular season co-champs of a very tough conference last year, going 17-9 and return their top 6 scorers (and something like 67 of 75 ppg)...as recently as 2005 they were an elite 8 team...they got one 25th place vote from one voter in the pre-season top 25 poll - how could a voter justify putting a 15-13 york team over a 17-9 kings team in a pre-season poll? york may ultimately be better than kings, but i don't think anyone in their right mind would have put york ahead of kings in a pre-season poll

also, here is some information from the faq section of d3hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=Top%2025) which should help you understand the d3hoops.com top 25 voting process

i hope this helps you understand the process a little better

oh yeah...nice win for averett!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: narch on November 22, 2006, 08:38:09 AM
old_lion - knowing you as i do, i'm going to have to bow out of this most interesting conversation and say we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue

but, being the statistician that i am, i have developed a formula to determine the outcome of the game had baldwin not been saddled with obviously uncalled for fouls

here is the formula:
[(points per minute + rebounds per minute) * fatigue coefficient] - (turnovers per minute * fatigue coefficient) = htwag (which measures player impact in a hypothetical, theoretical wild-a**-guess sort of way)

and here are the numbers to plug into this formula:
[(1.28 + .55)*3.145926] - (.39*3.145926) = 4.53

this number represents the addtional points that piedmont would have scored if jake baldwin had stayed in the game...of course, we all know that you can't score 4.53 points in a game, so i'll be generous and round up to 5

without the completely bs calls (to paraphrase old_lion, if i may), piedmont would have scored 5 additional points...and lost 70-69 instead of 70-64

you see, it's all so easy when you break things down scientifically :)

(1) Fatigue coefficient??? - now you're just pulling my leg ... and doing an exemplary job of it, BTW. I'll play along...
a) how do you arrive at a fatigue coefficient?  ::)
b) steals and assists are not in your formula???  :o
c) here's my equally scientific formula, developed over literally minutes of "off the top of my head" thought  ... If Baldwin plays just 5 more minutes (still stays fresh), Ferrum is denied one easy put back (-2) and Green gets two more assists, one for a three (+5) ... we win by one ... 69 -68. ;D
To paraphrase the late, great Richard Pryor, as Mudbone, "Now there's a scientific formula for yo a$$!"

(2) obviously uncalled for fouls ... there you go, Mr Narch ... spaced repitition, baby! (Yeah, I realize you're being facetious, but I'll take it.)  :D

(3) Agree to disagree ... fair enough.

Go Big Cats!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2006, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 01:47:38 PMa) how do you arrive at a fatigue coefficient?  ::)

look at the number closely :)

Quote from: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 01:47:38 PMb) steals and assists are not in your formula???

sure - i'll put 'em in...baldwin had 0 assists in that game and one steal...let's give him an extra .33 added to his 4.53 htwag rating to make it 4.86, which is still rounded to 5 and makes no difference :)

Quote from: scottiedoug on November 22, 2006, 09:56:34 AM
Narch!  When did I fall to number two? 

you've actually ASCENDED to number two, although technically it's 1A :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2006, 01:51:05 PM
as we approach thanksgiving, i think it's appropriate to thank all of the usasac student-athletes who participated in the "cans across the conference" (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/SAACcans06.htm) event and congratulate cnu on a convincing "victory" - great job everyone
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 02:03:41 PM
Quote from: narch on November 22, 2006, 01:31:58 PM
also, here is some information from the faq section of d3hoops.com (http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=Top%2025) which should help you understand the d3hoops.com top 25 voting process

i hope this helps you understand the process a little better


ok, i get it. to receive a vote, one of the voters would have to think that they were one of the top 25 teams in the country. i can see how even a really good team could not get a single vote that way. thanks for the education.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: narch on November 22, 2006, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 01:47:38 PMa) how do you arrive at a fatigue coefficient?  ::)

look at the number closely :)


make mine pumpkin.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 02:14:09 PM
Quote from: narch link=topic=4195.msg618640#msg618640 look at the number closely :)
/quote]

Yeah, I get it ... I was just waiting for your scientific linking of Pi to fatigue ... I thought it must have something to do with running around in circles?  :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2006, 02:15:58 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 02:14:09 PMYeah, I get it ... I was just waiting for your scientific linking of Pi to fatigue ... I thought it must have something to do with running around in circles?  :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi

just thinkin' about pumpkin pi :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 02:18:36 PM
actually, shouldnt it be the fatigue constant? im not a math major.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 02:18:36 PM
actually, shouldnt it be the fatigue constant? im not a math major.

Good point! And you claim to be natamensa. All the great ones are modest!

Hope you and narch have a great turkey day!

Tavern wench! A round of Karma for the house ... on me!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 22, 2006, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on November 22, 2006, 02:45:11 PM
how do I clip a quote and THEN comment on it?

You just click the quote box, on the post you want to comment on ...

It will then appear in a box ... to post your comment, you just start typing below where it says "[/quote]" ...

Your welcome.

Nick Burns,
Your company computer guy   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 22, 2006, 08:37:12 PM
Narch-

Did a pridefan really call you (word removed).  Narch we may have differences in opinions, but no poster no matter what they say doesn't deserve a name called.  That pridefan does not speak for all pridefans and at this point I will speak for all pridefans the comment was not and should not be a reflection of pridefans.  There is no reason on your part to talk about the education of the institute.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 23, 2006, 07:11:57 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 22, 2006, 08:37:12 PM
Did a pridefan really call you (word removed).
yes...i didn't add any words to the quote...just quoted his entire post

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 22, 2006, 08:37:12 PMThere is no reason on your part to talk about the education of the institute.
when a supposedly educated person has to resort to petty name calling, i feel it is a direct reflection on the education they are receiving or have received - educated people typically have a bank of information from which to draw what they want say...those who lack the mental capacity and education to do so revert back to 6th grade antics - note that i never said anything negative about greensboro college as a whole...i'm sure gc is a wonderful educational institution...but we all know that different students have different experiences at each school

happy turkey day!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 23, 2006, 10:54:53 AM
Quote from: narch on November 23, 2006, 07:11:57 AM
happy turkey day!

same to you narch, and to all of you other hoops fans (especially the cnu fans)!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 23, 2006, 12:01:41 PM
Narch:  You never know about this education thing.  For instance, I know of a prominent national politician with degrees from Yale and Harvard who finds namecalling the easiest route to "communication...."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scout1 on November 23, 2006, 12:31:42 PM
This looks like a new team, that is ready to make some noise in the USA South Conference. Coach Bill Tharp and his staff looks to have the respect of there players. I have not seen this out of a coaching staff there in some years! These is a team who gets up and down the floor and plays great team defense. This is not the same team we are use to seeing from Ferrum in the past. Will the coaching staff push these young men to work hard, if so look out for this team. Defense, Defense, Defense................
Ferrum has 17 players, they play about 8-10 so they are deep. Having 2 true point guards on there team this year is going to be a great help. Look out for Coach Tharp and his panthers. If he and his coaching staff stays consistent, I can see them finishing at the top of there conference. There is no "I" in this TEAM.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: TheBeast on November 23, 2006, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2006, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 21, 2006, 03:50:09 PMi also think that york (ny) should definitely get some votes. how could they not have had even a single vote in the pre-season top-25 when they were voted pre-season #1 in their division (2 divisions in their conference)? they were a ncaa tournament team, after all.

they (york) were also 15-13 last year...getting pre-season top 25 votes

after a season like that is tough and being #1 in your conference doesn't necessarily mean you're a top 25 team -

i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters? i see that the new top 25 poll is not out. does that mean that the games on tuesday will be considered? it will be really interesting to see the rankings for cnu and york (ny) if that is the case.


yea i think that York Ny is a very good team this year they are goin to be ranked after they beat WPU on sat. So dont sleep on this team the are scary team to play against
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: TheBeast on November 23, 2006, 02:58:27 PM
York NY is a very good team and they are goin to be ranked by next week if they beat the number 7 team in the nation on sat. this team is very deep and they have the player to get past the first round of the NCAA. so i would keep an eye out for them
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 23, 2006, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 23, 2006, 12:01:41 PM
Narch:  You never know about this education thing.  For instance, I know of a prominent national politician with degrees from Yale and Harvard who finds namecalling the easiest route to "communication...."

I hear you, Scottie.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2006, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: scout1 on November 23, 2006, 12:31:42 PM
This looks like a new team, that is ready to make some noise in the USA South Conference. Coach Bill Tharp and his staff looks to have the respect of there players. I have not seen this out of a coaching staff there in some years! These is a team who gets up and down the floor and plays great team defense. This is not the same team we are use to seeing from Ferrum in the past. Will the coaching staff push these young men to work hard, if so look out for this team. Defense, Defense, Defense................
Ferrum has 17 players, they play about 8-10 so they are deep. Having 2 true point guards on there team this year is going to be a great help. Look out for Coach Tharp and his panthers. If he and his coaching staff stays consistent, I can see them finishing at the top of there conference. There is no "I" in this TEAM.
Scout 1, welcome aboard!  I have merged the post into the USASAC board where it is more appropriately placed.

Good luck!  We appreciate any local hyperlinks or game info that you an give!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2006, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters?

Yeah, oddly enough, the CUNYAC coaches poll and the D3hoops.com Top 25 have different voters.

Also, winning the CUNYAC has traditionally meant ... well, pretty much nothing on the national scene.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 23, 2006, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 23, 2006, 12:01:41 PM
Narch:  You never know about this education thing.  For instance, I know of a prominent national politician with degrees from Yale and Harvard who finds namecalling the easiest route to "communication...."

scottiedoug - i don't want to make this a political thing, but i think even george bush fans can agree (if they're being honest) that it's obvious "w" didn't get the most out of his substantial education...a perfect example of my earlier point "different students have different experiences at each school" :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 24, 2006, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2006, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters?

Yeah, oddly enough, the CUNYAC coaches poll and the D3hoops.com Top 25 have different voters.

Also, winning the CUNYAC has traditionally meant ... well, pretty much nothing on the national scene.

thanks guru, but narch already schooled me on that a couple of days ago (see reply 1808).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 24, 2006, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: narch on November 23, 2006, 09:21:44 PM
but i think even george bush fans can agree (if they're being honest) that it's obvious "w" didn't get the most out of his substantial education...a perfect example of my earlier point "different students have different experiences at each school" :)

narch, are you 100% certain about that?  ;D

Personally, I'd say my faith in the competence and motives of any politician rate somewhere on the same approximate level as my faith in the competence and motives of the outstanding officiating crew we had at Ferrum last w/e.  :-\

In other words, should you find yourself in the unfortunate situation of being in a communal shower with any of the lot of them ... and someone drops the soap ... I'd advise you to let someone else pick it up.  ;)


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 24, 2006, 12:28:43 PM
Good luck Captains this weekend.   Some random observations of a basketball fanatic! 

1) CNU guards Barton and Seldon are as good as any guards in D-III, hands down.   Keep it up!

The difference maker as to how fare we go will be the play of our big men and the bench. 

2) Lewis is a talented #4 and he can be unstoppable.  Two things:  watch the silly fouls (reaching) and play strong around the basket.   **Do not always settle for the outside shot.  Outstanding job against VWC after a slow start.   We need you on the court during crunch time!!!

3)  Riley has some GREAT moves around the basket.  Key there is he is not Romeo the three point shooter, but his inside play offsets Romeo's outside play.  Plus Ed can rebound and block shots with the best of them.    See ** above.   Great post moves. 

4)  Blasingame showed his potential and skills in the match up with Adair.    Two things:  play with enthusiasm always!  I saw it against VWC.  Offensive rebound, CNU needs offensive rebounds, go for it!  Nice job of handling the ball against the press at VWC.   Not many 6'8" guys at the D-III level can do that. 

5) The bench.  Baker is a great addition.  Silky smooth.  Kraut really NICE job in 6 minutes played against VWC.  Love to see you shoot when you have the opportunity.  I have watched during warm-ups; nice stroke.   Big Mike Witham, throw that weight around big guy, you're as strong as they come, make'em pay.   

Lastly, passes to the post.   OK, but, sometimes it goes in, comes out, our big guys reset and it does not go back in.  Take your time and make'em pay.   





Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 24, 2006, 12:45:31 PM

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when a supposedly educated person has to resort to petty name calling, i feel it is a direct reflection on the education they are receiving or have received - educated people typically have a bank of information from which to draw what they want say...those who lack the mental capacity and education to do so revert back to 6th grade antics - note that i never said anything negative about greensboro college as a whole...i'm sure gc is a wonderful educational institution...but we all know that different students have different experiences at each school

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I would have substituted "weed" for "head"!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 24, 2006, 02:02:54 PM
im not until monday, so ill be going to this board tonight for information on how cnu played against sva. id appreciate it if someone that attends the game would post a recap asap. thanks in advance, and go cnu!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 24, 2006, 07:20:40 PM
You can listen to the game or keep up with it on livestats. Just go to the front page of the CNU athletics website.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 24, 2006, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 24, 2006, 02:02:54 PM
im not on campus until monday, so ill be going to this board tonight for information on how cnu played against sva. id appreciate it if someone that attends the game would post a recap asap. thanks in advance, and go cnu!
Allow me Notamensa...
Bill Parcells was quoted as sayng of his new Quarterback, "He keeps dodging bullets...they are flying all around him and luckily, none of them have hit him."  (I paraphrase)  Well, the Captains did just that tonight.  Someone please tell them we have a 35 second shot clock just like the other team, and they don't need to try and force something that's not there when they bring the ball up court.  A very different team than VWC saw Tuesday night...but we'll take the "W".
We won 91-87, and it could have easily been 115-87.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2006, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 24, 2006, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2006, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters?

Yeah, oddly enough, the CUNYAC coaches poll and the D3hoops.com Top 25 have different voters.

Also, winning the CUNYAC has traditionally meant ... well, pretty much nothing on the national scene.

thanks guru, but narch already schooled me on that a couple of days ago (see reply 1808).

Well, I thought perhaps a reply from the person who has run the site for 10 years and assembled the poll panel might be of use. My bad.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 24, 2006, 07:20:40 PM
You can listen to the game or keep up with it on livestats. Just go to the front page of the CNU athletics website.

thanks. i knew about the live streaming, but there were too many people to see and places to go yesterday to listen to just the audio. maybe if they were on tv?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on November 24, 2006, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 24, 2006, 02:02:54 PM
im not on campus until monday, so ill be going to this board tonight for information on how cnu played against sva. id appreciate it if someone that attends the game would post a recap asap. thanks in advance, and go cnu!
Allow me Notamensa...
Bill Parcells was quoted as sayng of his new Quarterback, "He keeps dodging bullets...they are flying all around him and luckily, none of them have hit him."  (I paraphrase)  Well, the Captains did just that tonight.  Someone please tell them we have a 35 second shot clock just like the other team, and they don't need to try and force something that's not there when they bring the ball up court.  A very different team than VWC saw Tuesday night...but we'll take the "W".
We won 91-87, and it could have easily been 115-87.

i hope that they dont play to the level of their competition all year, which is what it seems like they are doing so far. that is a good way to end up with a .500 record. thanks for the comments.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2006, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 24, 2006, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2006, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters?

Yeah, oddly enough, the CUNYAC coaches poll and the D3hoops.com Top 25 have different voters.

Also, winning the CUNYAC has traditionally meant ... well, pretty much nothing on the national scene.

thanks guru, but narch already schooled me on that a couple of days ago (see reply 1808).

Well, I thought perhaps a reply from the person who has run the site for 10 years and assembled the poll panel might be of use. My bad.

bad? i dont get it. the thanks was sincere.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 25, 2006, 11:11:10 AM
I am with the Capt, who were those guys last night?!  Defense was terrible, T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E!  Listening to post game on 99-1 last night, LMAO, the color guy blamed it on the big guys lack of defense!!  From my perspective they were left out to dry a WHOLE lot last night.   The SVA guards were dribble penetrating at will.  And ONLY the left handed guy went left!    OK, I could go on and on and on and on, but hey, it's a "W" 'nough said.   Hope the "real" Captains show up tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
information from the daily press online article – three ties, including the last one with 3:15 left. sva shot 52 percent from the floor in the second half, but missed four of their last five shots, including three 3-pointers. captains shot 6-for-6 from the free throw line in the last 1:43. my conclusion from just reading the article is that cnu was very, very fortunate to win this game. weve not always made free throws, so a couple of misses from the line combined with better (or average) shooting on their part at the end would have been disastrous. im glad to see were shooting free throws better (16/18 in the game). it looks like riley had an off night. 1/9 in the game, 0/2 from long. why is he even shooting threes? theo baker must have had a good game (18 points). does anyone think maybe we'll see riley back as sixth man with baker in the starting lineup? baker sure reminds me of romeo, so that would make us a lot like the team from last year. blasingame with only 4 attempts all night, and no free throws? where was he? you guys that were at the game fill in the gaps here and give us your thoughts. where is cnu85?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 24, 2006, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 24, 2006, 09:27:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2006, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 22, 2006, 08:44:01 AM
i didnt suggest that they were a top 25 team, but rather questioned why they had not received a single vote. you would think that those that voted them #1 in their division would have also given them a vote in the d3hoops.com poll. maybe they are not the same voters?

Yeah, oddly enough, the CUNYAC coaches poll and the D3hoops.com Top 25 have different voters.

Also, winning the CUNYAC has traditionally meant ... well, pretty much nothing on the national scene.

thanks guru, but narch already schooled me on that a couple of days ago (see reply 1808).

Well, I thought perhaps a reply from the person who has run the site for 10 years and assembled the poll panel might be of use. My bad.

bad? i dont get it. the thanks was sincere.

guru

ive read your initial response to my post, as well as the trail of subsequent replies and I see how you could have interpreted mine as less than appreciative. if it came off that way it was because i didnt see why the person who has run the site for 10 years and assembled the poll panel would even be engaging a jv poster with less than 20 posts under his belt. that truly was MY bad. but im starting to get into the flow of things now so id like to engage on your thoughts and input like I should have in the first place. narch really did get me up to speed on the whole voting panel thing, but the other part of your comment really did surprise me, specifically that the cunyac is not a well respected concfernce. this surprises me because it just seems logical to me that the nyc area would be a huge source of talent, and that the cunyac would be full of really good teams. i dont know anything about admissions there, but I would guess that ny has similar public school tuition guidelines like vas, which i know well since cnu is a state school. why do you think it is that the cunyac is not better respected?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 25, 2006, 12:43:48 PM
1) I don't think CJ will send Riley back to 6th man this early in the season.  He'll give the team a chance to develop chemistry.  However, Ed needs to play  Jamar Claxton style and not Jeremy Romeo style.  He causes match up problems and needs to use this to his advantage inside. 
2) Theo is a heck of ballplayer and has a silky smooth shot, but I think he is yet to develop Romeo's toughness and I think Jeremy's senior leadership is much overlooked.  One of the challenges this year, who is the go to guy in crunch time?
3) Blasingame look frustrated last night.  SVA played a lot of zone, not sure why we didn't attack the soft spot in the middle more.   He was in foul trouble (hope this is not a trend and one was OBVIOUS frustration!), but he picked up two huge offensive rebounds late in the game and had one no look pass to Davon that was outrageous after one of those rebounds.
Yes, we were fortunate to win, VERY.   Sometimes you gotta win ugly and quite frankly a lot times you have letdowns after a tough game. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 25, 2006, 01:24:45 PM
Ill tell you one thing, Riley has got to stop shooting from outside 12 feet. He was awful again last night from outside the paint. I know as a small forward, you tend to drift outside of the key, but come on, Ed needs to know his limitations and anything outside 12 feet is not his style. When he came in off the bench last night at the four and sometimes at the five, he was a banger down low and  I think that's what he needs to continue to do. He needs to hang down low, grab boards to help Mark and Korey and he needs to be a banger.

As for CNU85, I dont know where he is. I dont think he was at the game last night, I didnt see him.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: cnubbballer on November 25, 2006, 12:43:48 PM
One of the challenges this year, who is the go to guy in crunch time?


we have 2 go-to guys this year, both in the back court. blasingame will be one of the two next year when donta has graduated, but for now it is the two guys that you said "are as good as any guards in D-III". im not sure i agree with that since i know very little about the rest of d3, but i do know they are very, very good, and i would feel good having either of them with the ball in their hands at crunch time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 25, 2006, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: cnubbballer on November 25, 2006, 12:43:48 PM
One of the challenges this year, who is the go to guy in crunch time?


we have 2 go-to guys this year, both in the back court. blasingame will be one of the two next year when donta has graduated, but for now it is the two guys that you said "are as good as any guards in D-III". im not sure i agree with that since i know very little about the rest of d3, but i do know they are very, very good, and i would feel good having either of them with the ball in their hands at crunch time.
and if we are 3 down with one of our guys on the line shooting 3 free throws, you KNOW who i want on that line. ah, what memories!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2006, 05:00:31 PM
I'm BAaaack.....I was missing in action last night. Had to take this really beautiful lady out for the night. She's stuck around for so long, I figured we should celebrate the 21st anniversary somewhere besides the Freeman Center!  ;D

Not sure If I'll be there tonight.....since it's our weekend...might take her somewhere else later on.....who knows. She may just want to hang out at home, in which case a quick trip down Warwick might be in the cards.

Baller - remember, though, that Romeo wasn't all that tough as a freshman, either. In fact, I'd have to say I don't recall Romeo having as an immediate impact as a freshman as Baker is having now.....but maybe it's cuz I'm old and can't remember 5 years ago! Who was that Strothers kid, anyway?

Capt-Schemer...I think I can hear where you're seats are whenever that one player comes into the game....I think you are behind me to the left...wait....I think you're on my 7 o'clock. Just a little pilot-speak....I used to drop Cessna's into LAFB when I was at CNU way back in the day!  :P :D ;D

Later
Charlie, November, Utah 8-5  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2006, 08:04:38 PM
There is definitely talent in the NYC area. I would throw out a couple possible reasons why that hasn't translated into CUNYAC success: not all of the coaches in the league are full time, and the teams in general (very general) are not very well disciplined. The teams that succeed year in and year out at the D-III level have their share of athletes but also play smart, fundamental basketball. Teams that are solely athletic may have success for a short period and make a run to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8, but that's not sustainable year in and year out.

I haven't seen a lot of CUNYAC play but I just moved from the DC area to Connecticut so I expect to see some more this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 25, 2006, 10:14:57 PM
And I saw that York (NY) kept on winning tonight as they defeated William Paterson by 11 or 9 or somewhere in there. Capts win 87-67. Nuff said about that one. Huge game tuesday when the randy-macs come to town.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: TheBeast on November 26, 2006, 02:43:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2006, 08:04:38 PM
There is definitely talent in the NYC area. I would throw out a couple possible reasons why that hasn't translated into CUNYAC success: not all of the coaches in the league are full time, and the teams in general (very general) are not very well disciplined. The teams that succeed year in and year out at the D-III level have their share of athletes but also play smart, fundamental basketball. Teams that are solely athletic may have success for a short period and make a run to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8, but that's not sustainable year in and year out.

I haven't seen a lot of CUNYAC play but I just moved from the DC area to Connecticut so I expect to see some more this year.


the thing is that Cunyac school do not have dorms and they usally lose player to school with dorms but this year the York (NY) team is lookin really good they beat two rank team how good are they where do u think they will finish this year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: TheBeast on November 26, 2006, 02:46:11 AM
York(ny) they yet again beat another rank team how good are they i wonder where they are goin to finish this year. they might just make it to the Final four if they can keep it up they are goin to be scary team to play come March damn
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 26, 2006, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 25, 2006, 08:04:38 PM
There is definitely talent in the NYC area. I would throw out a couple possible reasons why that hasn't translated into CUNYAC success: not all of the coaches in the league are full time, and the teams in general (very general) are not very well disciplined. The teams that succeed year in and year out at the D-III level have their share of athletes but also play smart, fundamental basketball. Teams that are solely athletic may have success for a short period and make a run to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8, but that's not sustainable year in and year out.

I haven't seen a lot of CUNYAC play but I just moved from the DC area to Connecticut so I expect to see some more this year.

the situation you describe sounds like a great opportunity for a young coach to develop a reputation for himself.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 26, 2006, 06:56:22 PM
any prognosticators want to offer a conjecture on the cnu/rmc game this tuesday? i say cnu by 5. the captains will lead through the second half, but rmc will fight back to make it a close one. ill be there screaming myself hoarse.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 26, 2006, 07:23:04 PM
CNU is good at home.....can't really predict this one....the first 6-7 off the bench are good...but after that, we still need to see.

either way I'm sure CNU will find a way to make my blood pressure go up!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 26, 2006, 07:41:22 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 26, 2006, 07:23:04 PM
CNU is good at home.....can't really predict this one....the first 6-7 off the bench are good...but after that, we still need to see.

either way I'm sure CNU will find a way to make my blood pressure go up!!

good at home... is it the facility, the history, the fans in the stands? i dont know a lick about other facilities and schools since im just an average student trying to make his way to commencement. im definitely NOT a recruited athlete/superstar. what is it that makes my futuer alma mater special? ive done a little bit of research on the cnu athletics website and have found that weve had WAY more than our share of success (athletically speaking). id like the long-time cnu fans to educate me a little bit about what makes what im seeing in the freeman center so special.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 26, 2006, 07:42:59 PM
& btw, cu at the gm on 2sday nite.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 26, 2006, 09:46:39 PM
piedmont continues their mastery over the monarchs, winning 87-73 @ pc today - frosh anderson had a big day for the monarchs with 21/5/1/0 off the bench, but frosh bascom struggled, going 2-13 - mcbryde had just 3 rebs for the game and radmanovic scored just 7 points...those two have to player bigger (literally and figuratively) for the monarchs to have any success this year

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/pcm03.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 27, 2006, 12:27:35 AM
I dont think anything beats the good ole days in Ratcliffe. Back when Lamont Strothers, Steve Artis, Jeff McLean, et al would light up the hardwood. Talk about a great place to watch a game. You could see the sweat dripping down the players faces you  were that close to the action.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 27, 2006, 07:16:02 AM
the in the freeman is a great place to watch as well, especially when the football or baseball teams are there as a group. since the football program is about the same age as the freeman, there couldnt have been any football teams getting nasty in ratcliffe, right? has the cnu enrollment increased since then? i cant imagine how crowded a small gym would have been with our current enrollment. what was the capacity of the ratcliff?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNCGrad on November 27, 2006, 09:11:31 AM
Ratcliff capacity was about 1,000.   As far as rowdy fans, we had the soccer players and the baseball players.  They were crazier than the current students and players.   Imagine a player having to throw in a ball right on the sideline with the fans right in your ears.  They also got all over the refs. 

Class of 88
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 11:33:59 AM
Quote from: narch on November 26, 2006, 09:46:39 PM
piedmont continues their mastery over the monarchs, winning 87-73 @ pc today - frosh anderson had a big day for the monarchs with 21/5/1/0 off the bench, but frosh bascom struggled, going 2-13 - mcbryde had just 3 rebs for the game and radmanovic scored just 7 points...those two have to player bigger (literally and figuratively) for the monarchs to have any success this year

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/pcm03.htm)

narch, fortunately for us, we finally had several guys all playing well at the same time. The fact that, for the most part, we stayed out of foul trouble, certainly was helpful. And we actually committed a couple of more fouls than Methodist, until right at the end when they had to foul.

The officials must have been decent, because I hardly noticed them. They may have erred slightly on the side of letting too much go ... but that's fine, I'll take that any day over the alternative.

Another positive for us ... we got Rubio back from injury. He didn't play that much last night, but I think he is going to be a big help for us down the road.

The Monarch I was most impressed with was Shuford. That guy is a MAN! He was scoring inside, rebounding, blocking shots ... heck, he was even guarding our PG. He's the biggest (literally and figuratively) 6'2 guy I've seen in a while. He plays "extremely large."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 11:33:59 AM
Quote from: narch on November 26, 2006, 09:46:39 PM

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/pcm03.htm)

And we actually committed a couple of more fouls than Methodist, until right at the end when they had to foul.

I went back and checked my memory against the play by play ... actually, when Whitlock fouled out at the 4 minute mark, we had committed 15 fouls to Methodist's 10 ... then Methodist committed the last 7 fouls of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2006, 01:25:20 PM
I noticed the Daily Press has a new person covering CNU men's basketball. Not sure if I like that. I'll give the new guy some time, but so far I wonder if he's watching the same game we are!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2006, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 11:33:59 AMThe officials must have been decent, because I hardly noticed them. They may have erred slightly on the side of letting too much go ... but that's fine, I'll take that any day over the alternative.
you hardly ever notice them when the calls are going your way :)

Quote from: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 11:33:59 AMThe Monarch I was most impressed with was Shuford. That guy is a MAN! He was scoring inside, rebounding, blocking shots ... heck, he was even guarding our PG. He's the biggest (literally and figuratively) 6'2 guy I've seen in a while. He plays "extremely large."
he's also a starting db on the monarch football team...tremendous athlete, very strong...he's a non-traditional student-athlete, having served in the military prior to enrolling at mu, so in many ways he is very much a MAN compared to his teammates - but you clearly did not see sam porter, who was listed at 6'4" but wasn't an inch taller than 6'2"...sam was the biggest 6'2" guy i've ever seen
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: narch on November 27, 2006, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 11:33:59 AMThe officials must have been decent, because I hardly noticed them. They may have erred slightly on the side of letting too much go ... but that's fine, I'll take that any day over the alternative.
you hardly ever notice them when the calls are going your way  :)


Come on, narch ... that comment was beneath you.  ???

Since you weren't there, I'm not surprised that sort of thought would cross your mind ... that is why I went to the trouble to point out that Methodist was enjoying a 3/2 advantage re the fouls called, until the last few minutes of the game, when they had to foul because they were losing ...

"I went back and checked my memory against the play by play ... actually, when Whitlock fouled out at the 4 minute mark, we had committed 15 fouls to Methodist's 10 ... then Methodist committed the last 7 fouls of the game."

Actually, my observation is that you hardly ever notice them unless ... they are imposing themselves as  an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game.  ;)

I do remember Porter. I would love to have either of them on our team right now!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 27, 2006, 03:40:23 PM
Actually, my observation is that you hardly ever notice them unless ... they are imposing themselves as  an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game.  ;)

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OK... In all your banter I've lost the bubble on who's who here.  Are you the one who does believe an official is sometimes a determining factor in the outcome of a game?
Reason I ask...  I have a golfing buddy who calls D1 ball and he'll be the 1st to tell you that NCAA officials, more often than should be, and more often than in years of past, DO play a role in the outcome.  If I could only send you tapes from the final 4 minutes of the CNU/VWC game...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on November 27, 2006, 03:58:47 PM
Capt-Schemer - how about elaborating on that last sentence of your post
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on November 27, 2006, 03:40:23 PM
Actually, my observation is that you hardly ever notice them unless ... they are imposing themselves as  an overly significant (and wrongful) determining factor in the outcome of the game.  ;)

OK... In all your banter I've lost the bubble on who's who here.  Are you the one who does believe an official is sometimes a determining factor in the outcome of a game?
Reason I ask...  I have a golfing buddy who calls D1 ball and he'll be the 1st to tell you that NCAA officials, more often than should be, and more often than in years of past, DO play a role in the outcome.  If I could only send you tapes from the final 4 minutes of the CNU/VWC game...
[/quote]
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 27, 2006, 04:53:31 PM
To quote Forest Gump... "That's all I got to say about that".
Didn't mean to stir the pot too much, and don't want to dwell on the past.
Now you can rail on me for tossing the grenade in the room and running...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2006, 05:08:40 PM
old lion - it was a sarcastic comment...hence the smiley

capt-shemerer - i have an uncle (by marriage) who has officiated sec, acc, c-usa and even old diac and some odac basketball games for the last 30 plus years...he would disagree with your golfing buddy, but he also realizes that poor calls and the human element of officiating are part of the game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 27, 2006, 06:00:12 PM
Quote from: narch on November 27, 2006, 05:08:40 PM
old lion - it was a sarcastic comment...hence the smiley

OK, my bad. I guess I'm just over sensitive since you (correctly) accused me of whining earlier.

But remember, I was whining ... but I wasn't wrong.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 27, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
i am so ready for the hsc/cnu game tomorrow night. anyone want to go out on a limb and pick the captains to win? we will need everyone playing at their best to win, but i believe that we definitely can win. ed riley absolutely has to step up and play better. i think hes the key. 6.5 & 6.3 wont get it done. he needs to realize that hes not michael jordan and stop trying to play like a pure small forward. hes really a 3.5 (not a 3 or a 4), and needs to play like one. stop shooting threes (0 for 5 so far). we have lots of outside shooters. seldon is .500 for the season so far, barton is .455. baker is .333 but will improve that statistic before long. as a team were 40% for the season, including rileys 5 misses. what is really impressive is that were 50% as a team fg% overall. i think were going to win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 27, 2006, 07:39:50 PM
Quote from: narch on November 27, 2006, 05:08:40 PM
old lion - it was a sarcastic comment...hence the smiley

capt-shemerer - i have an uncle (by marriage) who has officiated sec, acc, c-usa and even old diac and some odac basketball games for the last 30 plus years...he would disagree with your golfing buddy, but he also realizes that poor calls and the human element of officiating are part of the game
My golfing buddy is a 1 handicap.  I win!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2006, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on November 27, 2006, 07:39:50 PMMy golfing buddy is a 1 handicap.  I win!

did i mention he was a division 1 golfer before getting into officiating and has qualified for the us open twice...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Showstoppa on November 27, 2006, 09:11:12 PM
Averett 81- #1 VA. Wesleyan 73
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on November 27, 2006, 10:09:42 PM
Huge win tonight against VWC!  We had a nice lead throughout the game but VWC came back as you would expect.  Back and forth for the last five minutes.  Great crowd, great atmosphere, great game.  We have Lynchburg Wednesday night at home
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 27, 2006, 11:19:56 PM
Not only a great win for AU but a great win for the USASouth, who usually doesn't fair well against the ODAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 28, 2006, 08:58:34 AM
Does anyone know how long it takes to put updated statistics up on the USASouth website?  After the first weekend it was up on monday.  Any of games after that haven't been put up yet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 09:07:02 AM
congratulations au on the huge win over the defending national champs. things are shaping up to be a great season of basketball. several teams have the potential to win the conference title this year. cnus loss to york seems more costly than ever. are you listening mike witham?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 09:10:09 AM
who guarded adair (4 pts)? im guessing it was boor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 28, 2006, 10:04:44 AM
4 pts and he fouled out in just 20 mins of action. The Rumley kid looks like he can play a little bit. Apparently he's a transfer from Fayetteville St. NARCH!! How does Coach Smith let him get away!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 28, 2006, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: notamensa on November 27, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
i am so ready for the hsc/cnu game tomorrow night. anyone want to go out on a limb and pick the captains to win? we will need everyone playing at their best to win, but i believe that we definitely can win. ed riley absolutely has to step up and play better. i think hes the key. 6.5 & 6.3 wont get it done. he needs to realize that hes not michael jordan and stop trying to play like a pure small forward. hes really a 3.5 (not a 3 or a 4), and needs to play like one. stop shooting threes (0 for 5 so far). we have lots of outside shooters. seldon is .500 for the season so far, barton is .455. baker is .333 but will improve that statistic before long. as a team were 40% for the season, including rileys 5 misses. what is really impressive is that were 50% as a team fg% overall. i think were going to win.

I think you mean RMC/CNU game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on November 28, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 09:07:02 AM
congratulations au on the huge win over the defending national champs. things are shaping up to be a great season of basketball. several teams have the potential to win the conference title this year. cnus loss to york seems more costly than ever. are you listening mike witham?
Notamensa...Are you putting the York loss on Mike Witham?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 10:45:45 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on November 28, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 09:07:02 AM
congratulations au on the huge win over the defending national champs. things are shaping up to be a great season of basketball. several teams have the potential to win the conference title this year. cnus loss to york seems more costly than ever. are you listening mike witham?
Notamensa...Are you putting the York loss on Mike Witham?
definitely not, the entire team lost that game. BUT, we would have had a lot better chance to win with witham in uniform than with him sitting on the bench in street clothes. we were definitely undermanned down low that game, especially with lewis and blasingame in foul trouble almost from the beginning.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 10:47:33 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 28, 2006, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: notamensa on November 27, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
i am so ready for the hsc/cnu game tomorrow night. anyone want to go out on a limb and pick the captains to win? we will need everyone playing at their best to win, but i believe that we definitely can win. ed riley absolutely has to step up and play better. i think hes the key. 6.5 & 6.3 wont get it done. he needs to realize that hes not michael jordan and stop trying to play like a pure small forward. hes really a 3.5 (not a 3 or a 4), and needs to play like one. stop shooting threes (0 for 5 so far). we have lots of outside shooters. seldon is .500 for the season so far, barton is .455. baker is .333 but will improve that statistic before long. as a team were 40% for the season, including rileys 5 misses. what is really impressive is that were 50% as a team fg% overall. i think were going to win.

I think you mean RMC/CNU game.

not the first time ive confused the two.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 10:58:32 AM
not much love for rmc in the pick-em contest over on the odac board. as of right now, cnu has 6 votes to rmcs 4. even when you throw out the mongooses vote (since hes a usasac poster), its still 5-4. you'd think that the #12 team in the country would get a little more respect on their own board. even though theyre playing at cnu, they still have to be considered the favorite to win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 28, 2006, 12:06:06 PM
I hope the RMC/CNU game is as good as I expect it to be tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 28, 2006, 01:11:14 PM
Quote from: Showstoppa on November 27, 2006, 09:11:12 PM
Averett 81- #1 VA. Wesleyan 73

looks like the cougars aren't missing all that returning scoring and rebounding, eh

not sure about the fay state transfer...i'll do some research on him
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2006, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 10:45:45 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on November 28, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
Quote from: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 09:07:02 AM
congratulations au on the huge win over the defending national champs. things are shaping up to be a great season of basketball. several teams have the potential to win the conference title this year. cnus loss to york seems more costly than ever. are you listening mike witham?
Notamensa...Are you putting the York loss on Mike Witham?
definitely not, the entire team lost that game. BUT, we would have had a lot better chance to win with witham in uniform than with him sitting on the bench in street clothes. we were definitely undermanned down low that game, especially with lewis and blasingame in foul trouble almost from the beginning.

and don't forget Coleman....rumor I heard was that he didn't decide to leave the team until after recruiting was done.....we're short a guy who can come in and give the starters a quality rest. Coleman and Witham not suited up hurt the York game. Coleman not suiting up all year will cost us a game or two unless Luke Jackson can step it up a few notches.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
oh...congrats to AU!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 28, 2006, 01:12:40 PM
and don't forget Coleman....rumor I heard was that he didn't decide to leave the team until after recruiting was done.....we're short a guy who can come in and give the starters a quality rest. Coleman and Witham not suited up hurt the York game. Coleman not suiting up all year will cost us a game or two unless Luke Jackson can step it up a few notches.

it doesnt look like jackson is going to be used that much. besides the york game, when we absolutely had to go to him, he hasnt played at all except for mop up duty against mdbible.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 28, 2006, 04:00:54 PM
OK pridesportbballfan, I plan on being at the Coliseum tomorrow night for the Guilford/Greensboro game.  I'm bringing my friend who was a member of Guilford's NAIA national championship team (and my classmate) with me.  He's also a former Head Basketball Coach at Averett.  Hopefully, he'll give me some added insight into the strengths and weaknesses of each team as we both root for Guilford.  :)  If you spot me, drop by and say hello.  Go Quakers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on November 28, 2006, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 28, 2006, 04:00:54 PM
OK pridesportbballfan, I plan on being at the Coliseum tomorrow night for the Guilford/Greensboro game.  I'm bringing my friend who was a member of Guilford's NAIA national championship team (and my classmate) with me.  He's also a former Head Basketball Coach at Averett.  Hopefully, he'll give me some added insight into the strengths and weaknesses of each team as we both root for Guilford.  :)  If you spot me, drop by and say hello.  Go Quakers!

I know i havent said anything this season on here, just wating for the season to get going well but this is the most talented team that i have seen since i have been around GC. I as well will be at the game tommorow night along with Pridesport. Oh, and by the way congrats to the Cougars for knocking off #1 in the nantion.....great win for the usa south and the cougars. Now back to tommorw I think it will come down to two things in a nut shell:

1. The Rebounds---- The Pride have got to get on the boards and stay on them.

Keys to accomplish: Keep 7-0 Ben Strong off the board

2. Tournovers

This is the big things that the Pride will need to do to go 4-0
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 28, 2006, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on November 28, 2006, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 28, 2006, 04:00:54 PMOK pridesportbballfan, I plan on being at the Coliseum tomorrow night for the Guilford/Greensboro game.  I'm bringing my friend who was a member of Guilford's NAIA national championship team (and my classmate) with me.  He's also a former Head Basketball Coach at Averett.  Hopefully, he'll give me some added insight into the strengths and weaknesses of each team as we both root for Guilford.  :)  If you spot me, drop by and say hello.  Go Quakers!
I know i havent said anything this season on here, just wating for the season to get going well but this is the most talented team that i have seen since i have been around GC. I as well will be at the game tommorow night along with Pridesport. Oh, and by the way congrats to the Cougars for knocking off #1 in the nantion.....great win for the usa south and the cougars. Now back to tommorw I think it will come down to two things in a nut shell:

1. The Rebounds---- The Pride have got to get on the boards and stay on them.

Keys to accomplish: Keep 7-0 Ben Strong off the board

2. Tournovers

This is the big things that the Pride will need to do to go 4-0
Well, Greensboro does appear to have a talented team, but then again, so does Guilford.  I've been watching Quaker basketball for a long time and I'd say this may be their most solid team since they moved to DIII in 1991.  Something, then, has to give tomorrow night.  :)  I'm not sure if Ben Strong is, as you say, a 7-footer, but I have seen him listed as 6'10" or 6'11" - take your pick.  He is one of the keys to the game - if he plays well, Guilford usually plays well.    The Quakers also have a lot of capable guards this year and a 6'10" freshman back-up for Strong, so let's toss it up and see what happens.   It should be a good game.  Go Quakers!  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 09:59:49 PM
cnu 84, rmc 77

huge win for the captains in a GREAT game.

one of you old timers tell me - have we ever had a better point guard than barton?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 28, 2006, 10:12:44 PM
From one who has seen a few in my day there (former Ass't SID):

by the time Barton's done he will rank with
Steve Artis (1990-93) quick as lightning, averaged 17-19 ppg, 7-8 apg, #2 alltime d3 assists 909)
Andre Bolton (1993-96) Barton built like him...lean and steady....ranked #7 D3 All-Time Assists 737)

Hey Rikki....forgetting anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 28, 2006, 10:37:36 PM
USASouth has really impressed me so far.  We usually stuggle against ODAC schools.  Looking forward to a the game tomorrow.  I think it will be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2006, 10:39:27 PM
I think I'll even cheer on Greensboro tomorrow night!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 28, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
Now I know you are seriously dilusional CNU85!!!

NNSID, I think you hit the nail on the head with those two. He will be in their company when all is said in done. He has the ability to make plays, that's for sure!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 28, 2006, 10:44:18 PM
Quote from: nnasid on November 28, 2006, 10:12:44 PM
with
Steve Artis (1990-93) quick as lightning, averaged 17-19 ppg, 7-8 apg, #2 alltime d3 assists 909)
Andre Bolton (1993-96) Barton built like him...lean and steady....ranked #7 D3 All-Time Assists 737)

wouldnt that be incredible!!?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 29, 2006, 09:47:15 AM
on the ODAC Board this week in the pick'em 4 out of the 5 games (USASouth against the ODAC)  USASouth team was picked to win this week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 29, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
Congrats to our Captains on a great game last night!   Was DEFINITELY a good one for the fans.   An interesting lineup down the stretch!  Some big, no HUGE plays made by everyone in the last 7 or 8 minutes.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 29, 2006, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: cnubbballer on November 29, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
Congrats to our Captains on a great game last night!   Was DEFINITELY a good one for the fans.   An interesting lineup down the stretch!  Some big, no HUGE plays made by everyone in the last 7 or 8 minutes.   

by "interesting lineup" you must mean sans riley. baker sure hit a huge trey right when we needed one, didnt he? once again, riley attempts and misses a three (0/6 for the season). at least hes taking those shots early in the game. i like this team so much better with baker as a starter. that way, riley can come in for one of our post players when we need him. he could be so valuable used this way. were thin down low and we have one of our strongest post players playing a wing? i dont get it. when hes in there with blasingame and lewis it seems that he wants to play on the outside too much.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 29, 2006, 12:44:58 PM
i thought that one of the best moments in the game was about 8 minutes into the first half when the biggest player on the court (#34 rmc) missed a 3 point shot and the smallest player on the court (donta seldon) brought down the rebound.  i laughed so hard i almost cried. a few minutes later the captains are up by 10. great crowd last night, especially the chairback section with you oldtimers. i dont know why more werent there. lots came in fashionably late, but there were still way too many seats open.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2006, 01:03:39 PM
my son wanted to know where was the baseball team last night?? And come on football team....the students show up for your games! Where are you?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 29, 2006, 01:32:50 PM
 I think we all agree Ed is much better around the basket and he brings a LOT of energy.  Blasingame played a great game, buy could have used some rest last night; 36 minutes working your arse off against some strong RMC post players was taking a toll.   Ron Spears played some nice minutes also and hit a BIG shot from the baseline.   Like most lefties he has a nice stroke.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 29, 2006, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: cnubbballer on November 29, 2006, 12:01:19 PM
Congrats to our Captains on a great game last night!   Was DEFINITELY a good one for the fans.   An interesting lineup down the stretch!  Some big, no HUGE plays made by everyone in the last 7 or 8 minutes.   

Did you miss Davon's scoop shot last night late in the game?? Wow that was one for the books and so was Theo's three ball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 29, 2006, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 29, 2006, 01:40:41 PM
[Did you miss Davon's scoop shot last night late in the game??
davon seems to penetrate easily, and even when he gets in there among the trees he is able to change his shot and improvise so well. scoops, high arches, you name it, he has a huge arsenal.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 29, 2006, 02:52:16 PM
Some nice coverage by the Greensboro News-Record for tonight's men's basketball game.  Looks like a good crop of newcomers for the Pride and a nice story about how Quakers Strong and Kimbrough have bonded together since middle school.  Seems Strong was recruited by BYU and Hawaii after last season's 1st-team ODAC selection, but they decided to stay at Guilford.  Thank you, Mr. Strong and Mr. Kimbrough!   Whew!  lol

Greensboro -  http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/NEWSREC0105/611290317

Guilford -  http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/NEWSREC0105/611290331
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnubbballer on November 29, 2006, 03:12:35 PM
I am with you Riki!  Davon's scoop was one for the "alltime CNU" highlight reel.   Also, Theo's three.....Spear's from the baseline....Dante's three.... and Blasingame's jump hook were all big shots down the stretch.  Plus, wow, offensive rebounds for a change.   What a difference those made!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 29, 2006, 05:16:49 PM
I am glad the tickets are free for tonight Greensboro against Guilford, because parking is $5
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 29, 2006, 05:29:58 PM
does anyone know why michael mcduffie of greensboro has only played 5 minutes so far this season? last year he started every game and was 10th in conference scoring. is he injured? you pride guys should know.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 29, 2006, 05:32:06 PM
also, why has jarmel arrington only played in one of the 6 ncwesleyan games?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 29, 2006, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: notamensa on November 29, 2006, 05:32:06 PM
also, why has jarmel arrington only played in one of the 6 ncwesleyan games?

injuries
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 29, 2006, 09:57:52 PM
Quakers top the Pride 78-74 in OT.  Game tied at 67 in regulation on a late Greensboro 3-pointer.  Snipes had 30, Strong had 23 (11 rebounds) and I saw at least four Pride players with scores in the 'teens.  I posted more in the ODAC site.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on November 29, 2006, 11:24:51 PM
Tough game tonight against Lynchburg.  It was difficult to get up after the VWC game.  However, here's the article for the game

http://web.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=755
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on November 30, 2006, 12:09:11 AM
that was a great game tonight and i was proud to be there and watch a thriller just to bad that we could come out on top. But we defenently did not give up after trailing in the second half by as much as 15. But good luck to the Pride this weekend at the Bridgewater Classic. One thing how bout the freshman taking up the point and leadin the team in place to the injured McDuffie.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 30, 2006, 08:22:26 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on November 30, 2006, 12:09:11 AM
that was a great game tonight and i was proud to be there and watch a thriller just to bad that we could come out on top. But we defenently did not give up after trailing in the second half by as much as 15. But good luck to the Pride this weekend at the Bridgewater Classic. One thing how bout the freshman taking up the point and leadin the team in place to the injured McDuffie.
The Pride will definitely win their share of games this year.  I was impressed with your guard play.  I know you lost a heart-breaker last night (who knows what could have happened if your guy hadn't stepped out of bounds on that last inbounds play when down by 2?), but you lost to a very good team.  Good luck to Greensboro the rest of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on November 30, 2006, 12:19:56 PM
i was thinking that this forum has been terribly quiet, and then i realized why. no narch. in the last 2 days hes made a single, one-word post (about arringtons injury, thanks for that). from looking back at posts from the past, its pretty clear hes the most prolific member of the usasac board. maybe hes waiting for the monarchs next game/tournament this weekend. i see theyre playing baruch, who i remember was the other (along with york, ny) divisional preseason favorite in the cunyac. i seem to recall that baruch also played in the ncaa tournament last year. it looks like the cunyac is intent on invading the usasac this year. i hope the monarchs fare better than cnu did against york. care to come out of that self-imposed exile and re-engage, narch? we need your wisdom and guidance.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 30, 2006, 01:09:49 PM
mensa - it's been crazy busy personally and professionally lately AND the monarchs have only played 2 games (neither of which i've been able to witness), so it's tough to say much - i have been impressed with what cnu, averett and even ferrum & greensboro have been able to do early in the season, but y'all don't need my help trumpeting them :)

this weekend will be a test for the young monarchs, though, with tournament tested baruch and either d2 erau or d2 brevard
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 30, 2006, 02:01:21 PM
Again I am pleased with how every USASouth team has played.  Last year we were only 6-12(someone can double check that) against the ODAC.  So far we ar 7-4 this year with a few more games to go.  Improvement is always good.  I still think we should have a USASouth-ODAC challenge.  With a cup or trophy involved or something.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 30, 2006, 02:32:27 PM
Quote from: narch on November 30, 2006, 01:09:49 PM
this weekend will be a test for the young monarchs, though, with tournament tested baruch and either d2 erau or d2 brevard
narch, FYI, my nephew is a redshirt transfer at Brevard this season, but is practicing with the team and attends most games to assist in some way.  He should be a key part of their program in 2007-09.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 30, 2006, 03:19:09 PM
I'm sorry, but someone will have to explain to me what I said to get dinged.  I'm a pretty smart guy, so I think I know what - and where - the issue is, but all I have done is state facts and show encouragement for everyone's teams.  C'est la vie!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 30, 2006, 04:11:05 PM
ok Nova....I put the karma back on ya.....who did you tick off?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 30, 2006, 04:23:02 PM
I got dinged too.  Which I don't understand because I was praising the USASouth, and the success they have had so far this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 30, 2006, 04:33:15 PM
gotcha undinged Pridesports

now ya'll help me out.....the football board got me whacked during the week before playoffs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 30, 2006, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 30, 2006, 04:11:05 PM
ok Nova....I put the karma back on ya.....who did you tick off?
Back at you.  I don't know for sure, but I have hunch what happened.  It's perhaps better to let it be here.   Thanks ... and good luck to the Captains this year too!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 01, 2006, 12:52:48 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 30, 2006, 04:23:02 PM
I got dinged too.  Which I don't understand because I was praising the USASouth, and the success they have had so far this year.

i did as well.....i almost wonder if it is someone from the ODAC board
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 09:40:27 AM
ive been watching the karma discussion on this site and it seems to be a pretty big deal. i read about it on the faq link from the home page and i think i understand it. i would like to applaud a lot of you guys but it seems that im not veteran enough yet. in the meantime, thanks for the positive karma ive received so far. ill reciprocate when i get the chance, and maybe "smite" a couple of you as well. what i cant ascertain though is exactly when ill get that privilege. i cut this from the faq section - "Only more veteran posters are allowed to affect a poster's karma". exactly how many posts are required before ill be considered a veteran? admittedly, i still dont feel like one, but id like to know.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 09:40:27 AM
exactly how many posts are required before ill be considered a veteran?
is it 50? this is my 50th post, so well see.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 09:40:27 AM
exactly how many posts are required before ill be considered a veteran?
is it 50? this is my 50th post, so well see.

sadly, its not 50 posts. i dont see a way to applaud or smite anyone. maybe after 100? maybe the privilege is granted after a specific period of time?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 01, 2006, 10:12:35 AM
I think its 200.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 01, 2006, 10:12:35 AMI think its 200.
RTT is correct - it is 200.  Your status also changes at different junctures - JV, starter, all-american, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 01, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 01, 2006, 10:12:35 AMI think its 200.
RTT is correct - it is 200.  Your status also changes at different junctures - JV, starter, all-american, etc.
thanks. it will be nice to get off the bench as a starter. until then ill be watching the plays and learning tendencies so i can applaud/smite appropriately when i get the opportunity.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2006, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 01, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 01, 2006, 10:12:35 AMI think its 200.
RTT is correct - it is 200.  Your status also changes at different junctures - JV, starter, all-american, etc.
thanks. it will be nice to get off the bench as a starter. until then ill be watching the plays and learning tendencies so i can applaud/smite appropriately when i get the opportunity.
Until you get to 200, you're what my HS coach used to call the End, Guard and Tackle.  If you're a rookie, you sit on the end of the bench, guard the water bucket and tackle anyone who comes near it.  If you could do that without messing up, he might put you in the game every once in a while.  Until that happens, you're sort of at the mercy of the upperclassmen.  :)  I think karma may be Pat Coleman's idea of electronic hazing.  lol  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 01:25:04 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 01, 2006, 12:43:28 PM
If you're a rookie, you sit on the end of the bench, guard the water bucket and tackle anyone who comes near it. 

ive heard that one before, but im guessing that its origin was many, many years ago. like from the era during which coaches thought that water depravation was a way to toughen up. today its more like "dont forget to hydrate, or you might fall over dead and end my coaching career."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2006, 02:32:06 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 01, 2006, 01:25:04 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 01, 2006, 12:43:28 PM
If you're a rookie, you sit on the end of the bench, guard the water bucket and tackle anyone who comes near it.

ive heard that one before, but im guessing that its origin was many, many years ago. like from the era during which coaches thought that water depravation was a way to toughen up. today its more like "dont forget to hydrate, or you might fall over dead and end my coaching career."

Yeah, it definitely wasn't my coach's original saying.  That one has been around for a long time.  You're absolutely right, coaching techniques - and the kids (and parents) they coach - have definitely changed.  All the coaches I had, if they were coaching now, would be fired or get a lawsuit their first season.  It was more like, "Gatorade, what in the **** is that?  Somebody get this wimp (and I cleaned it up) some salt tablets and get him out of my sight!  Okay, everybody run laps until we don't have any more wimps on this team!  It's only 98 degrees for crying out loud!"  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 01, 2006, 10:19:52 PM
the monarchs got a pretty convincing win over baruch today in florida, winning 71-55...huge night for brandon williams with 22/9 and frosh bascom had a double/double with 11/11 - looks like coach smith is tinkering with the lineup or there are some injuries/illness...whatever it is seemed to work today as mu shot 50% and held baruch to just 31% (14% from 3)...nice win against a team coming off a 23 win season last year (although they are replacing 4 starters)

box score (http://www.embryriddlesports.com/dms/120106a.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:37:06 AM
the usasac continues to look very, very strong. congrats to methodist. now go get a win over a d2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:41:03 AM
hey, great win by nc wesleyan over york (ny). suddenly, york is not looking so great afterall. thats too bad because i was really taking solace in their early success and hoped that cnu had lost to a really good team. i dont want to take anything away from the bishops win, but now im not so sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 02, 2006, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:37:06 AMthe usasac continues to look very, very strong. congrats to methodist. now go get a win over a d2.
Looks like Methodist will play Embry-Riddle (ERAU) for the championship after the Eagles demolished NCAA DII Brevard by 40, 89-49.  Just a bit of clarification, ERAU is an NAIA DII institution and they are ranked #5 in that division with a 7-1 record.  I remember Guilford lost to them 90-72 to start the season last year in this tournament.  They are very tough at home and also finished very high in the NAIA DII national tournament last year.  My nephew's team won their first round game at the NAIA nationals last year and he got to see ERAU play in person - he says they are very good.  Methodist may play a great game, but ERAU's talent, coupled with a home game and their 5-game advantage in games played this year, may spell a really tough game for the Monarchs.  Good luck to MU, but don't be surprised if the Eagles aren't one of the best teams you'll see this season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on December 02, 2006, 10:14:31 PM
CNU won big tonignt.
Who was it that said Ed Riley should'nt shoot outside 12 feet?
I think M. Blasingame had some 5 or 6 blocks... and how about that # you know what?

Notamensa...you are living up to your name w/ your comments about York.  They are a very good team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on December 02, 2006, 10:17:45 PM
Karma zero.... you just hate it when I'm right!

Boomer/Sooner!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 03, 2006, 12:11:11 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:41:03 AM
hey, great win by nc wesleyan over york (ny). suddenly, york is not looking so great afterall. thats too bad because i was really taking solace in their early success and hoped that cnu had lost to a really good team. i dont want to take anything away from the bishops win, but now im not so sure.

Look at the box from that game, notamensa and tell me what's missing? The kid who dropped 34 or 36 against CNU didnt play in that game. And I dont think he played in today's game as well, if memory serves me correctly. You lose 20 and 10 per game, your chances of winning diminish, slightly!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 02, 2006, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:37:06 AMthe usasac continues to look very, very strong. congrats to methodist. now go get a win over a d2.
Looks like Methodist will play Embry-Riddle (ERAU) for the championship after the Eagles demolished NCAA DII Brevard by 40, 89-49.  Just a bit of clarification, ERAU is an NAIA DII institution and they are ranked #5 in that division with a 7-1 record. 
i was only going by what narch posted earlier (post 1921). forgive me if i dont fully understand all of the alphbet classifications and divisions. arent both d2?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 07:12:06 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 02, 2006, 10:14:31 PM
CNU won big tonignt.
Who was it that said Ed Riley should'nt shoot outside 12 feet?
I think M. Blasingame had some 5 or 6 blocks... and how about that # you know what?

Notamensa...you are living up to your name w/ your comments about York.  They are a very good team.

it seems that captschemer doesnt like me much. all i said was -

"i was really taking solace in their early success and hoped that cnu had lost to a really good team. i dont want to take anything away from the bishops win, but now im not so sure."

i didnt say they were a bad team or a mediocre team, all i said was that the may not be a "really good team". i still think that. i wouldnt call any 2-3 team a "really good team".

and another thing. i never said riley shouldnt shoot from outside 12 feet. im pretty sure the 3pt line is way outside that. i said i dont like him shooting threes, and one 1-2 night to get him to 1-8 on the season isnt going to change my mind about that. i still think hes way more effective using his strength arounf the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 07:30:04 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 03, 2006, 12:11:11 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:41:03 AM
hey, great win by nc wesleyan over york (ny). suddenly, york is not looking so great afterall. thats too bad because i was really taking solace in their early success and hoped that cnu had lost to a really good team. i dont want to take anything away from the bishops win, but now im not so sure.

Look at the box from that game, notamensa and tell me what's missing? The kid who dropped 34 or 36 against CNU didnt play in that game. And I dont think he played in today's game as well, if memory serves me correctly. You lose 20 and 10 per game, your chances of winning diminish, slightly!  ;)

yeah, i see that. he didnt play against nyu either. but he did play in the rutgersnewark game between the nyu and ncwesleyan games. that has to be disappointing for the coaches and fans. maybe hes injured? theres no question that they arent as good without him, but i think it would be a stretch to say that they would have won those two games with him in the lineup. i dont think they sent just four guys out on the floor, so your comment that "You lose 20 and 10 per game, your chances of winning diminish, slightly" is slightly misleading. they didnt lose 20 and 10. they lost a player who was averaging 20 and 10 and replaced him with someone else who was averaging somewhat less, maybe even significantly less if the other player was getting less playing time than echols was. but with more playing time in the games in question, that substitute player would average more than he had prior, further diminishing the difference between the two averages going into the game. is that convoluted enough for you? if not, i can ramble further.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 03, 2006, 08:26:52 AM
the monarchs fell to erau, 77-68 yesterday - radmanovic had a big night on the boards, and it was a pretty balanced scoring night, overall, although winstead did get 21 on 7-10 shooting - turnovers and ft differential look to be the story of this game - 'nova, thanks for the clarity on erau's status as an naia ii team and the insight into their abilities...i doubt they'll be the best team the monarchs face this season, since they've already played d1 gardner-webb (who won 17 games last year), but i also have little doubt they're pretty good - they are 8-1 right now

box score (http://www.embryriddlesports.com/dms/120206b.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 09:43:58 AM
Quote from: narch on December 03, 2006, 08:26:52 AM
the monarchs fell to erau, 77-68 yesterday - radmanovic had a big night on the boards, and it was a pretty balanced scoring night, overall, although winstead did get 21 on 7-10 shooting - turnovers and ft differential look to be the story of this game - 'nova, thanks for the clarity on erau's status as an naia ii team and the insight into their abilities...i doubt they'll be the best team the monarchs face this season, since they've already played d1 gardner-webb (who won 17 games last year), but i also have little doubt they're pretty good - they are 8-1 right now

box score (http://www.embryriddlesports.com/dms/120206b.htm)
yw, narch - Yeah, I forgot about MU playing DI Gardner-Webb this season.   Despite the loss, sounds like Methodist played a fairly respectable game.  Brevards's 40-point loss to ERAU is a bit of an aberration as they are totally rebuilding from NAIA to NCAA DII.  Hope we get to meet in Fayetteville in a few weeks. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 02, 2006, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:37:06 AMthe usasac continues to look very, very strong. congrats to methodist. now go get a win over a d2.
Looks like Methodist will play Embry-Riddle (ERAU) for the championship after the Eagles demolished NCAA DII Brevard by 40, 89-49.  Just a bit of clarification, ERAU is an NAIA DII institution and they are ranked #5 in that division with a 7-1 record. 
i was only going by what narch posted earlier (post 1921). forgive me if i dont fully understand all of the alphbet classifications and divisions. arent both d2?
No forgiveness is necessary, notamensa, I was simply trying to contribute a little extra to the conversation.  It certainly wasn't directed at you, so I sincerely hope you didn't think it was.  The intercollegiate sports classifications can be somewhat confusing - no doubt about that!  As a topic for further discussion (and this is my opinion only), I consider the general level of competition to be NCAA DI, NAIA DII, NCAA DII, NAIA DII and NCAA DIII.  There is certainly some crossover at the ends of all classifications, but generally speaking, a highly ranked NAIA DII such as ERAU would be favored over an unranked NCAA DIII such as Methodist.  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 03, 2006, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 07:30:04 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 03, 2006, 12:11:11 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:41:03 AM
hey, great win by nc wesleyan over york (ny). suddenly, york is not looking so great afterall. thats too bad because i was really taking solace in their early success and hoped that cnu had lost to a really good team. i dont want to take anything away from the bishops win, but now im not so sure.

Look at the box from that game, notamensa and tell me what's missing? The kid who dropped 34 or 36 against CNU didnt play in that game. And I dont think he played in today's game as well, if memory serves me correctly. You lose 20 and 10 per game, your chances of winning diminish, slightly!  ;)

yeah, i see that. he didnt play against nyu either. but he did play in the rutgersnewark game between the nyu and ncwesleyan games. that has to be disappointing for the coaches and fans. maybe hes injured? theres no question that they arent as good without him, but i think it would be a stretch to say that they would have won those two games with him in the lineup. i dont think they sent just four guys out on the floor, so your comment that "You lose 20 and 10 per game, your chances of winning diminish, slightly" is slightly misleading. they didnt lose 20 and 10. they lost a player who was averaging 20 and 10 and replaced him with someone else who was averaging somewhat less, maybe even significantly less if the other player was getting less playing time than echols was. but with more playing time in the games in question, that substitute player would average more than he had prior, further diminishing the difference between the two averages going into the game. is that convoluted enough for you? if not, i can ramble further.

He played against NYU, he was 1-of-9 from the field with 5 points in 33 minutes and four fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 02, 2006, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:37:06 AMthe usasac continues to look very, very strong. congrats to methodist. now go get a win over a d2.
Looks like Methodist will play Embry-Riddle (ERAU) for the championship after the Eagles demolished NCAA DII Brevard by 40, 89-49.  Just a bit of clarification, ERAU is an NAIA DII institution and they are ranked #5 in that division with a 7-1 record. 
i was only going by what narch posted earlier (post 1921). forgive me if i dont fully understand all of the alphbet classifications and divisions. arent both d2?
No forgiveness is necessary, notamensa, I was simply trying to contribute a little extra to the conversation.  It certainly wasn't directed at you, so I sincerely hope you didn't think it was.  The intercollegiate sports classifications can be somewhat confusing - no doubt about that!  As a topic for further discussion (and this is my opinion only), I consider the general level of competition to be NCAA DI, NAIA DII, NCAA DII, NAIA DII and NCAA DIII.  There is certainly some crossover at the ends of all classifications, but generally speaking, a highly ranked NAIA DII such as ERAU would be favored over an unranked NCAA DIII such as Methodist.  Peace

thats cool, hasanova. you quoted me to add your contribution, so it seemed directed at me. i woke early to study after a danny devito night to find yours and a couple other comments directed at me and felt a little defensive, i guess.

speaking of which, i see someone has smited (smote?) me for my defensiveness. i guess im supposed to not respond to those that challenge my opinions? is that how this works? we smite everyone who has a differing opinion? like i said before, im riding the bench now learning tendencies, but soon enough ill be applauding/smiting too, and im keeping score.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 11:42:18 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 03, 2006, 11:34:23 AM
He played against NYU, he was 1-of-9 from the field with 5 points in 33 minutes and four fouls.
ok, thanks. i missed him in the box score. maybe i was looking for big numbers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 02, 2006, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 02, 2006, 07:37:06 AMthe usasac continues to look very, very strong. congrats to methodist. now go get a win over a d2.
Looks like Methodist will play Embry-Riddle (ERAU) for the championship after the Eagles demolished NCAA DII Brevard by 40, 89-49.  Just a bit of clarification, ERAU is an NAIA DII institution and they are ranked #5 in that division with a 7-1 record. 
i was only going by what narch posted earlier (post 1921). forgive me if i dont fully understand all of the alphbet classifications and divisions. arent both d2?
No forgiveness is necessary, notamensa, I was simply trying to contribute a little extra to the conversation.  It certainly wasn't directed at you, so I sincerely hope you didn't think it was.  The intercollegiate sports classifications can be somewhat confusing - no doubt about that!  As a topic for further discussion (and this is my opinion only), I consider the general level of competition to be NCAA DI, NAIA DII, NCAA DII, NAIA DII and NCAA DIII.  There is certainly some crossover at the ends of all classifications, but generally speaking, a highly ranked NAIA DII such as ERAU would be favored over an unranked NCAA DIII such as Methodist.  Peace
thats cool, hasanova. you quoted me to add your contribution, so it seemed directed at me. i woke early to study after a danny devito night to find yours and a couple other comments directed at me and felt a little defensive, i guess.

speaking of which, i see someone has smited (smote?) me for my defensiveness. i guess im supposed to not respond to those that challenge my opinions? is that how this works? we smite everyone who has a differing opinion? like i said before, im riding the bench now learning tendencies, but soon enough ill be applauding/smiting too, and im keeping score.

notamensa, I was honestly quoting the idea, not at all the person, so I'm sincerely sorry if you felt it was directed at you.  It surely wasn't.  I don't even think that way, so I felt bad when I read your response.  Such an innocuous thing when you think about it - really not worth any more discussion.   :)

With regard to applauding/smiting, someone smited me twice in the past few days and I genuinely don't feel as though I did anything "smite-worthy," but so be it.  With regard to your smite, I don't know exactly why you were smited, but in reading prior posts, it looks as though several people may have taken exception to a few comments.  Generally speaking, what appears to others as a slightly combative stance will yield that result.  I hope you will be a resilient poster and I openly welcome your constructive interaction.  I introspectively know my honorable intentions, but I can't always control how others may perceive them.  Sometimes we all get on someone else's persona non grata list, but I would greatly prefer the camaraderie of my fellow posters and not their exclusion.

PS  As I'm sure you know, Mensa comes from the Latin word for "table," signifying we are all of equal intellect, regardless of our age, education or profession, and are, therefore, all entitled to sit and discuss things openly around the same egalitarian forum (or table).  As a mensa hopeful, I fervently believe in that both philosophically and practically.  I hope you agree.   Peace.        
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
As I'm sure you know, Mensa comes from the Latin word for "table," signifying we are all of equal intellect, regardless of our age, education or profession, and are, therefore, alll entitled to sit and discuss things openly around the same egalitarian forum (or table).  As a mensa hopeful, I fervently believe in that both philosophically and practically.  I hope you agree.   Peace.        

that.....is.....AWESOME.  i did not know about the origins of the word. i wish i could say that i considered it when i selected it for my handle since it is incredibly appropriate, but i was really going with my own (limited) understanding of the word. specifically, "an international fellowship organization for people with IQ's in the top 2 percent of the general population". thats the application that my dear old pop used it with me. that is so cool. you do learn something every day. speaking of which, i have finals this week, so its back to the books. thanks for the interesting information.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 12:29:32 PM
and thanks for the karma, too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: narch on December 03, 2006, 08:26:52 AM
the monarchs fell to erau, 77-68 yesterday - radmanovic had a big night on the boards, and it was a pretty balanced scoring night, overall, although winstead did get 21 on 7-10 shooting - turnovers and ft differential look to be the story of this game - 'nova, thanks for the clarity on erau's status as an naia ii team and the insight into their abilities...i doubt they'll be the best team the monarchs face this season, since they've already played d1 gardner-webb (who won 17 games last year), but i also have little doubt they're pretty good - they are 8-1 right now

box score (http://www.embryriddlesports.com/dms/120206b.htm)

i dont see r lee in the box score. where is he?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
As I'm sure you know, Mensa comes from the Latin word for "table," signifying we are all of equal intellect, regardless of our age, education or profession, and are, therefore, alll entitled to sit and discuss things openly around the same egalitarian forum (or table).  As a mensa hopeful, I fervently believe in that both philosophically and practically.  I hope you agree.   Peace.        

that.....is.....AWESOME.  i did not know about the origins of the word. i wish i could say that i considered it when i selected it for my handle since it is incredibly appropriate, but i was really going with my own (limited) understanding of the word. specifically, "an international fellowship organization for people with IQ's in the top 2 percent of the general population". thats the application that my dear old pop used it with me. that is so cool. you do learn something every day. speaking of which, i have finals this week, so its back to the books. thanks for the interesting information.
You're absolutely right about the international organization called Mensa, so I though you might like to know their logic for choosing the society's name.  As one of my professors used to say, "knowledge is power."  I think he was right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:40:47 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 12:29:32 PMand thanks for the karma, too.
You're welcome, but it looks as though you have another benefactor as well.   :)  Good luck with finals - been there, done that! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on December 03, 2006, 04:11:28 PM
Mensa.... Here's the quote, and it came from Rikki-Tikki.
"Ill tell you one thing, Riley has got to stop shooting from outside 12 feet. He was awful again last night from outside the paint. "

Relax.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 04:29:11 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 03, 2006, 04:09:16 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 07:12:06 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 02, 2006, 10:14:31 PM
CNU won big tonignt.
Who was it that said Ed Riley should'nt shoot outside 12 feet?
I think M. Blasingame had some 5 or 6 blocks... and how about that # you know what?

Notamensa...you are living up to your name w/ your comments about York.  They are a very good team.

it seems that captschemer doesnt like me much. all i said was -

and another thing. i never said riley shouldnt shoot from outside 12 feet. im pretty sure the 3pt line is way outside that. i said i dont like him shooting threes, and one 1-2 night to get him to 1-8 on the season isnt going to change my mind about that. i still think hes way more effective using his strength arounf the basket.
WOW!  I never said it was you who said Ed should'nt shoot outside 12 feet.  And....  I thought from previouse posts that your skin was a tad thicker than it seems to be.  WOW!  relax... don't be hatin'.

BTW   Lincoln 201, Ohio State-Marion 78
How's that for a score?

youre absolutely right. my skin was way too thin this am. too many beers and too little sleep combined with too many exams this week. ill relax on thursday afternoon. im definitely not hatin. were pulling for the same team, after all. id forgotten that the mongoose was also preaching hard for rileys inside game. ive said so much about it that i thought it had to be me that you were referring to. big ego, huh? thanks for the karma. like i said; im keeping score.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
As I'm sure you know, Mensa comes from the Latin word for "table," signifying we are all of equal intellect, regardless of our age, education or profession, and are, therefore, alll entitled to sit and discuss things openly around the same egalitarian forum (or table).  As a mensa hopeful, I fervently believe in that both philosophically and practically.  I hope you agree.   Peace.        

that.....is.....AWESOME.  i did not know about the origins of the word. i wish i could say that i considered it when i selected it for my handle since it is incredibly appropriate, but i was really going with my own (limited) understanding of the word. specifically, "an international fellowship organization for people with IQ's in the top 2 percent of the general population". thats the application that my dear old pop used it with me. that is so cool. you do learn something every day. speaking of which, i have finals this week, so its back to the books. thanks for the interesting information.
You're absolutely right about the international organization called Mensa, so I though you might like to know their logic for choosing the society's name.  As one of my professors used to say, "knowledge is power."  I think he was right.

no doubt about it. and thanks again for the information. wait until my dad hears about this!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 04, 2006, 10:31:52 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 03, 2006, 04:11:28 PM
Mensa.... Here's the quote, and it came from Rikki-Tikki.
"Ill tell you one thing, Riley has got to stop shooting from outside 12 feet. He was awful again last night from outside the paint. "

Relax.

Yeah that was me who said Ed has to stop shooting from outside of 12 feet!! And I still stand by it!! Even tho he had 22 points!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2006, 02:43:36 PM
dang...I go away for a few days and Hasanova breaks out the big words.......as for me I like made up words like in a Steve Miller song when he speaks about the "pompetus" of love!!

sometimes made up words eventually make the dictionary....like Chortled.....from the Jaberwocky poem.

you can sign me.....notatable!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 04, 2006, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 04, 2006, 02:43:36 PM
dang...I go away for a few days and Hasanova breaks out the big words.......as for me I like made up words like in a Steve Miller song when he speaks about the "pompetus" of love!!

sometimes made up words eventually make the dictionary....like Chortled.....from the Jaberwocky poem.

you can sign me.....notatable!
Maybe you should just simply go with "notable"!  Now there's a word that'll have multiple meanings - one down on the prairie and one up on the "mesa".  :)  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 04, 2006, 04:36:11 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 03, 2006, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2006, 12:16:25 PM
As I'm sure you know, Mensa comes from the Latin word for "table," signifying we are all of equal intellect, regardless of our age, education or profession, and are, therefore, alll entitled to sit and discuss things openly around the same egalitarian forum (or table).  As a mensa hopeful, I fervently believe in that both philosophically and practically.  I hope you agree.   Peace.        

that.....is.....AWESOME.  i did not know about the origins of the word. i wish i could say that i considered it when i selected it for my handle since it is incredibly appropriate, but i was really going with my own (limited) understanding of the word. specifically, "an international fellowship organization for people with IQ's in the top 2 percent of the general population". thats the application that my dear old pop used it with me. that is so cool. you do learn something every day. speaking of which, i have finals this week, so its back to the books. thanks for the interesting information.
You're absolutely right about the international organization called Mensa, so I though you might like to know their logic for choosing the society's name.  As one of my professors used to say, "knowledge is power."  I think he was right.

no doubt about it. and thanks again for the information. wait until my dad hears about this!

i tried telling my dad about the origin of "mensa" before I drove back to campus last night. either I didnt explain it well or he wasnt getting it, because he eventually looked at me like i was crazy and then cut me off with a curt "?"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 09:01:46 AM
congrats to averett for cracking the top-20 in the d3hoops.com poll. it is certainly deserving with the season theyre having. also, congrats to cnu for making the top-30. it seems to me like it could have been higher, but theres a lot of season yet. they will probably lose a couple of votes in the next couple of weeks because of the inactive period in the schedule. i also noticed that york (ny) received no votes, so i guess im not the only one that has lost confidence in them. they were #26 last week, i think. question for you old-timers - when was the last time averett was in the top 25?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 05, 2006, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 09:01:46 AM
congrats to averett for cracking the top-20 in the d3hoops.com poll. it is certainly deserving with the season theyre having. also, congrats to cnu for making the top-30. it seems to me like it could have been higher, but theres a lot of season yet. they will probably lose a couple of votes in the next couple of weeks because of the inactive period in the schedule. i also noticed that york (ny) received no votes, so i guess im not the only one that has lost confidence in them. they were #26 last week, i think. question for you old-timers - when was the last time averett was in the top 25?

Im not sure they've ever been ranked. There is no story on their website, but I wonder if they've ever had this type of season in their history. Maybe they have, but I dont think they've had one in the d3hoops.com era.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on December 05, 2006, 11:26:41 AM
Here's the info on Averett's Top 20 ranking - looks like it's the first time since 1990
http://www.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=758
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 11:51:53 AM
Quote from: averetthoops on December 05, 2006, 11:26:41 AM
Here's the info on Averett's Top 20 ranking - looks like it's the first time since 1990
http://www.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=758

thanks for the link. i see that au has a couple of games this week, including one at piedmont. piedmont has already taken down 2 usasac teams pretty convincingly (methodist by 14 at home and nc wesleyan by 21 in rocky mt). good luck to au.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 11:51:53 AM
i see that au has a couple of games this week, including one at piedmont. piedmont has already taken down 2 usasac teams pretty convincingly (methodist by 14 at home and nc wesleyan by 21 in rocky mt). good luck to au.

Notamensa, thanks for noticing ... Narch's "2nd favorite D3 team" did have quite a w/e in Rocky Mt.

They way we are playing right now, I'd give a $100 out of my unfortunately shallow pockets to be able to replay that Ferrum game!

In case you didn't see it, here is some info re the tourney at NCW ...

We had a great weekend at the NC Weslyan tournament. That was a pretty strong field. I seriously doubt if many in attendance expected us to win it. I was hopeful, but I have to admit, I was pleasantly surprised by how well we played.

That gym was rocking and rolling Friday night as the home team beat York ... who had beaten CNU earlier in the season. The contrast, with how quiet they were in the 2nd half of the championship game, was truly amazing.

Baldwin won a well deserved MVP trophy. Green and Adams also made the all-tourney team. Whitlock probably would have been strongly considered also, had he not been limited to 12 minutes Friday, by foul trouble ... because he had a monster game Saturday. The "two Jakes" seem to be taking their games to another level. As soon as Adams refinds his shooting stroke he had last season (there were glimpses this weekend), we could be a tough team to beat.

I found it especially gratifying that, even though our outside shooting has been inconsistent, we seem to be riding out the rough spots with tenacious rebounding and team defense. Hallelujah!!!

Parker continued his steady play. Also, kudos to a couple of freshmen, McCoy and Rubio, who played significant minutes and made some nice contributions off the bench. And finally, a special shout out to Drew Bailey, who came in and picked us up with 4 for 5 shooting on threes and some timely rebounding. Looks like he wants some more PT, baby! (Yeah, that was my Dicky V imitation.)
Here are a few links for for those interested in details...
 

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2006-07/news/taylor2.htm

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/12_02_06_mbkb.htm
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcw06.htm

http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/06_07_headlines/12_01_06_mbkb.htm
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/pcw05.htm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2006, 02:20:50 PM
Congrats to AU!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 05, 2006, 02:38:08 PM
despite a 2-2 record and what seems to be relatively inconsistent play, the monarchs have had pretty balanced scoring...that can be interpreted in a few ways...there is no go-to-guy or they're going to be difficult to defend because scoring can come from anywhere...i prefer the latter :) - in 4 games the monarchs have had 4 different leading scorers and 3 different leading rebounders...here are the scoring averages for the top 10 monarchs through 10 games

WILLIAMS, Brandon10.8
ANDERSON, Darrian9.0
MCBRYDE, Travis8.8
RADMANOVIC, Dragan8.3
SHUFORD, Antwin8.3
BASCOM, Adrian7.3
LEHMANN, AB   7.0
WINSTEAD, Travis7.0
LEE, Robert6.0
LANE, Brian5.7


i'm a bit surprised to see that the big men seem to be shouldering most of the scoring load - williams, mcbryde, radmanovic and shuford are all post players...bascom and anderson are frosh

i guess we'll see how things pan out, but i think i like the balance for now...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 11:51:53 AM
i see that au has a couple of games this week, including one at piedmont. piedmont has already taken down 2 usasac teams pretty convincingly (methodist by 14 at home and nc wesleyan by 21 in rocky mt). good luck to au.

Notamensa, thanks for noticing ... Narch's "2nd favorite D3 team" did have quite a w/e in Rocky Mt.

They way we are playing right now, I'd give a $100 out of my unfortunately shallow pockets to be able to replay that Ferrum game!

Narch's "2nd favorite D3 team"? i thought that was cnu.


my pockets are not just shallow, theyre empty, so i couldnt pay a dime for a rematch, but id sure like for cnu to get another shot at york (ny). theres no doubt in mind we would be top-25 without that loss, and probably somewhere in the low teens. the season is young, though, and dwelling on the past doesnt help anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 05, 2006, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 02:14:02 PMWhitlock probably would have been strongly considered also, had he not been limited to 12 minutes Friday, by foul trouble  ... because he had a monster game Saturday.

there you go again with the fouls thing...

you know i'm just kidding, but let me put lots of smileys in so you understand it completely  :) ;) :D ;D 8) - congrats to the lions on a nice weekend...that was a pretty solid field

mensa - cnu is my FAVORITE d3 team.....to root against (except when they're playing ooc games, of course) :)

the monarchs are off until dec 17/18 when they play @ randy mac (4-1 right now) then take on either gettysburg (1-4) or union (1-2)...then the quackers come to town on the 30th (currently 4-0 with an exhibition win against d1 elon that doesn't count in the standings) and #4 vwc (4-1) on the 3rd then catholic (5-1) on the 6th and e-town (2-4) on the 7th...kind of a tough stretch of games, huh...if the monarchs can come out of that stretch 3-3 or better, i'll feel really good about the conference season...2-4 and i'll feel ok...winless and it could be a long year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 02:38:53 PM

my pockets are not just shallow, theyre empty, so i couldnt pay a dime for a rematch, but id sure like for cnu to get another shot at york (ny). theres no doubt in mind we would be top-25 without that loss, and probably somewhere in the low teens. the season is young, though, and dwelling on the past doesnt help anyone.

Well said. I have to learn to let things go ...

Such wisdom from one so young ... I think "Pop" may be selling you short.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: narch on December 05, 2006, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 02:14:02 PMWhitlock probably would have been strongly considered also, had he not been limited to 12 minutes Friday, by foul trouble  ... because he had a monster game Saturday.

there you go again with the fouls thing...

you know i'm just kidding, but let me put lots of smileys in so you understand it completely  :) ;) :D ;D 8) - congrats to the lions on a nice weekend...that was a pretty solid field


I hear you, Narch.  :D

You'll notice I only mentioned that fouls were an issue and did not offer an opinion as to the legitimacy of the fouls. I assure you, that took great restraint.  ;) But, I promised you I'd do better job re the whining .. and I'm trying.  ::)

The only reason I mentioned it all was to give Kudos to Whitlock and comment that I thought he deserved all-tourney honors ... he did yeoman's work this weekend as a 6'2 QPF!

I think your old friend was pretty proud of the guys this w/e. He s/b ... he's doing a good job managing some "less than ideal" situations.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 04:16:19 PM
Quote from: narch on December 05, 2006, 02:38:08 PM
despite a 2-2 record and what seems to be relatively inconsistent play, the monarchs have had pretty balanced scoring...that can be interpreted in a few ways...there is no go-to-guy or they're going to be difficult to defend because scoring can come from anywhere...i prefer the latter :) - in 4 games the monarchs have had 4 different leading scorers and 3 different leading rebounders...here are the scoring averages for the top 10 monarchs through 10 games

WILLIAMS, Brandon10.8
ANDERSON, Darrian9.0
MCBRYDE, Travis8.8
RADMANOVIC, Dragan8.3
SHUFORD, Antwin8.3
BASCOM, Adrian7.3
LEHMANN, AB   7.0
WINSTEAD, Travis7.0
LEE, Robert6.0
LANE, Brian5.7


i'm a bit surprised to see that the big men seem to be shouldering most of the scoring load - williams, mcbryde, radmanovic and shuford are all post players...bascom and anderson are frosh

i guess we'll see how things pan out, but i think i like the balance for now...

i also noticed that you have 10 guys averaging double figures in minutes. cnu has 6!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: narch on December 05, 2006, 02:59:23 PM
mensa - cnu is my FAVORITE d3 team.....to root against (except when they're playing ooc games, of course) :)

well, im sure they appreciate those non-conf cheers.

do i need to develop a particular animosity for one of the usasac teams? is there a team that cnu loves to beat? im not experienced enough to know of long-term rivalries. is there a cowboys/redskins relationship here that i dont know about?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 05, 2006, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 02:38:53 PM

my pockets are not just shallow, theyre empty, so i couldnt pay a dime for a rematch, but id sure like for cnu to get another shot at york (ny). theres no doubt in mind we would be top-25 without that loss, and probably somewhere in the low teens. the season is young, though, and dwelling on the past doesnt help anyone.

Well said. I have to learn to let things go ...

Such wisdom from one so young ... I think "Pop" may be selling you short.  ;)
thank you very much, but my naivete is hiding just below the surface, waiting for a particularly embarrassing moment to put me in my place.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2006, 11:04:21 PM
notamensa....Narch and I think when you graduate that you should go into real estate.... :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 05, 2006, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 04:24:43 PMwell, im sure they appreciate those non-conf cheers.

do i need to develop a particular animosity for one of the usasac teams? is there a team that cnu loves to beat? im not experienced enough to know of long-term rivalries. is there a cowboys/redskins relationship here that i dont know about?

i'd like it if you developed an intense hatred but tremendous respect for the monarchs, but that might be asking much

i don't think that cnu has a natural across-all-sports rival in this conference...the closest school to cnu's overall success is mu, but most really good college rivalries are born out of choice (ie: do i go to state or carolina, tech or uva, sydney or macon) or proximity (ie: duke/carolina) - mu/cnu is neither of those things, and i'm not sure if any usasac school is - the other thing is this...the other schools need to start beating cnu more often to call themselves rivals...you know...gc isn't a rival for mc, 'cause in a rivalry one team has a chance to win  ;) (that was an intentional jab at my gc boys to get them stirred up...they've been too quiet for fans of a team that has started off as strong as gc has :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GCman82 on December 06, 2006, 01:07:05 AM
hello all, long time no talk!  anyway like narch said the pride are off to a great start this season.  i have only seen them once against guilford, which was a great game by the way.  if a shot had not rimmed out at the buzzer GC would be undefeated right now, but coulda, woulda, shoulda.  anyway, good start for GC so far and i can't wait for the conference season to start.  GC doesn't play a home game until Dec. 21st, does anyone else have to wait that long?  just curious.

GO PRIDE!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 05, 2006, 11:04:21 PM
notamensa....Narch and I think when you graduate that you should go into real estate.... :D
well see after tomorrow. do you and narch know each other?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:55:53 AM
Quote from: narch on December 05, 2006, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 04:24:43 PMwell, im sure they appreciate those non-conf cheers.

do i need to develop a particular animosity for one of the usasac teams? is there a team that cnu loves to beat? im not experienced enough to know of long-term rivalries. is there a cowboys/redskins relationship here that i dont know about?

i'd like it if you developed an intense hatred but tremendous respect for the monarchs, but that might be asking much

i don't think that cnu has a natural across-all-sports rival in this conference...the closest school to cnu's overall success is mu, but most really good college rivalries are born out of choice (ie: do i go to state or carolina, tech or uva, sydney or macon) or proximity (ie: duke/carolina) - mu/cnu is neither of those things, and i'm not sure if any usasac school is - the other thing is this...the other schools need to start beating cnu more often to call themselves rivals...you know...gc isn't a rival for mc, 'cause in a rivalry one team has a chance to win  ;) (that was an intentional jab at my gc boys to get them stirred up...they've been too quiet for fans of a team that has started off as strong as gc has :))
it seems like an intrastate va rivalry would be appropriate (au, ferrum, shen), but maybe the schools/athletic programs havent been around long enough for those deep-seated rivalries to develop. i dont think cnu is a very old school.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 06, 2006, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 05, 2006, 11:04:21 PM
notamensa....Narch and I think when you graduate that you should go into real estate.... :D
well see after my amer civ 1865+ exam tomorrow. is a history degree good preparation for real estate? do you and narch know each other?

Im thinking they are trying to hint at something!! I cant imagine what it would be tho!!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 06, 2006, 10:57:55 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:55:53 AM
Quote from: narch on December 05, 2006, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 05, 2006, 04:24:43 PMwell, im sure they appreciate those non-conf cheers.

do i need to develop a particular animosity for one of the usasac teams? is there a team that cnu loves to beat? im not experienced enough to know of long-term rivalries. is there a cowboys/redskins relationship here that i dont know about?

i'd like it if you developed an intense hatred but tremendous respect for the monarchs, but that might be asking much

i don't think that cnu has a natural across-all-sports rival in this conference...the closest school to cnu's overall success is mu, but most really good college rivalries are born out of choice (ie: do i go to state or carolina, tech or uva, sydney or macon) or proximity (ie: duke/carolina) - mu/cnu is neither of those things, and i'm not sure if any usasac school is - the other thing is this...the other schools need to start beating cnu more often to call themselves rivals...you know...gc isn't a rival for mc, 'cause in a rivalry one team has a chance to win  ;) (that was an intentional jab at my gc boys to get them stirred up...they've been too quiet for fans of a team that has started off as strong as gc has :))
it seems like an intrastate va rivalry would be appropriate (au, ferrum, shen), but maybe the schools/athletic programs havent been around long enough for those deep-seated rivalries to develop. i dont think cnu is a very old school.

1961 CNU was founded as a co-op spin off of William & Mary. Basketball started in 1967.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 06, 2006, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 05, 2006, 11:04:21 PM
notamensa....Narch and I think when you graduate that you should go into real estate.... :D
well see after my amer civ 1865+ exam tomorrow. is a history degree good preparation for real estate? do you and narch know each other?

everybody knows everybody around here!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 06, 2006, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:51:29 AMdo you and narch know each other?

'85 and i are just looking for the prodigal son(s)...i have this feeling one is in our midst, but i can't pinpoint exactly where...i've got a vibe, though

the web-footed one probably won't return by edict of his grand poobah, but i have a feeling the other is already among us...could be wrong, though

;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
when are you guys going to start speaking english again? im not a prodigal son or web-footed, im just a . in fact, if i were web-footed . who do you think i am? did you have a falling out with these persons? i , maybe go back to the beginning of this stream and look for someone no longer posting. you could save me the time though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 03:06:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
did you have a falling out with these persons?
i think that must be the case since 2 people have smote me since this morning. i dont think i said anything offensive. im not the guy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 03:06:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
did you have a falling out with these persons?
i think that must be the case since 2 people have smote me since this morning. i dont think i said anything offensive. im not the guy!
and now look. 2 rounds of applause to put me right back where i was. you guys are so fickle.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 06, 2006, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
when are you guys going to start speaking english again? im not a prodigal son or web-footed, im just a cnu student.

sorry to lead you on a wild goose chase - i can't put my finger on just what it was that i was picking up, but i apologize for leading the board astray...back to no talk about basketball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 06, 2006, 10:30:59 PM
Quote from: narch on December 06, 2006, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
when are you guys going to start speaking english again? im not a prodigal son or web-footed, im just a cnu student.

sorry to lead you on a wild goose chase - i can't put my finger on just what it was that i was picking up, but i apologize for leading the board astray...back to no talk about basketball

LOL Thats freaking hilarious!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 07, 2006, 10:52:58 AM
I just busted out laughing....very good Narch!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 07, 2006, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: narch on December 06, 2006, 09:49:05 PM
sorry to lead you on a wild goose chase - i can't put my finger on just what it was that i was picking up
i can do some sleuthing now. this da vinci coded post sure does help. the only goose i see anywhere on the usasac board is our own resident mongoose, and this captj fellow is listed as a guest. is that who you think i am? when i get home this weekend ill dig deeper, until we meet again, theres a biohazard song you guys need to look into. its called "mistaken identity".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 07, 2006, 05:33:03 PM
or could it be a case of Pink Floyd's "Momentary Lapse of Reason"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 08, 2006, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: narch on December 06, 2006, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:51:29 AMdo you and narch know each other?

'85 and i are just looking for the prodigal son(s)...i have this feeling one is in our midst, but i can't pinpoint exactly where...i've got a vibe, though

the web-footed one probably won't return by edict of his grand poobah, but i have a feeling the other is already among us...could be wrong, though

;)
ok, i have some time this am so ill begin my quest. i love a mystery as much as any history major. from this post i see that youre looking for 2 persons. another post made me think they are goose and captj. you say above that "the web-footed one probably won't return" (goose?), but that the other is already among us (captj?). this is not what i originally thought, which was that goose is rikki tikki tavi and that he was the one you suspected was already among us. that means that you think that i am captj. how am i doing so far? ill go back and read about this captj person and see what i can find. im guessing that there was some animosity since cnu85 and narch seem to have smote me for no apparent reason a few days ago. perhaps at about the time you began to suspect i was this missing captj person. ill be back later with my findings.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 08, 2006, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 08, 2006, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: narch on December 06, 2006, 02:31:23 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 06, 2006, 10:51:29 AMdo you and narch know each other?

'85 and i are just looking for the prodigal son(s)...i have this feeling one is in our midst, but i can't pinpoint exactly where...i've got a vibe, though

the web-footed one probably won't return by edict of his grand poobah, but i have a feeling the other is already among us...could be wrong, though

;)
ok, i have some time this am so ill begin my quest. i love a mystery as much as any history major. from this post i see that youre looking for 2 persons. another post made me think they are goose and captj. you say above that "the web-footed one probably won't return" (goose?), but that the other is already among us (captj?). this is not what i originally thought, which was that goose is rikki tikki tavi and that he was the one you suspected was already among us. that means that you think that i am captj. how am i doing so far? ill go back and read about this captj person and see what i can find. im guessing that there was some animosity since cnu85 and narch seem to have smote me for no apparent reason a few days ago. perhaps at about the time you began to suspect i was this missing captj person. ill be back later with my findings.

I'll add to your mystery.....I didn't "smote" you....and Captj and I are cool with each other and chat at the games during halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 08, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
ok, ive seen enough. i started at the beginning, skipped to the end, and what i read there makes me sure that i dont want to go any farther. i irritated someone influential on this board a few weeks ago, so im not on the best of standing here, and i would like to continue to be a welcome member of this board. you guys can think what you want, but im not who you think i am. ill continue to dig a little deeper into this issue so that i have a better understanding of the dynamics of usasac posters, but this is the last time ill be posting about your prodigal son.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 08, 2006, 12:31:31 PM
Quote... from the GSAC board
OK ... I'm tired of talking about what a surprise both LC and MC are. Probably everyone else (with the obvious exception of Coach Haynes  ;) ) is too.

So let's discuss our candidates for all-GSAC. I suggest we break it down by position ... assuming they pick a 1st and 2nd teams, that would be ...

2 - Point Guards
4 - Wing/Combo Guards
4 - Big Guys

At this point, the first 8 are obvious ... seems to me, there is going to be quite a battle for the last two spots. If someone told me to pick my guys, that we had to go play the USA conference in a NBA-like, 7 game series, I'd start with these 8.  And if I were a betting man, I'd feel pretty comfortable putting a few bucks on our guys.   
Ist Team:
PG - Green
Wing - Lawrence
Wing - Maddox
BG - Baldwin
BG - Render

2nd Team:
PG - ? ... Baize maybe?
Wing - Mason
Wing - ? ... at least 4 or 5 guys in the running for this spot
BG - Golden
BG - Hairston

I know ... no MC guys in my first five. Admittedly, that doesn't look right. In my mind, Bobby, then Bo, are strong 6th and 7th choices ... and in a hypothetical 7 game series, they (and Hairston) would certainly get major minutes. But I can't honestly say I'd pick either of them over any of the top 5. Those top 5 are all off to great starts in a wide variety of categories ... certainly in all the categories that are considered important for their respective positions ... and then some! Do you think that 1st 5 could get out and push the pace? Man, they could run some people into the ground!

Perhaps this will start a lively discussion ...   8)

http://www.greatsouth.org/stats/GSAC_MBB/confldrs.htm
For some reason, the most recent PC stats aren't on the GSAC site yet ...
http://www.piedmont.edu/athletics/mbasketball/06-07stats/teamcume.htm


Narch, I thought you might want some of this  ...  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 08, 2006, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 08, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
ok, ive seen enough. i started at the beginning, skipped to the end, and what i read there makes me sure that i dont want to go any farther. i irritated someone influential on this board a few weeks ago, so im not on the best of standing here, and i would like to continue to be a welcome member of this board. you guys can think what you want, but im not who you think i am. ill continue to dig a little deeper into this issue so that i have a better understanding of the dynamics of usasac posters, but this is the last time ill be posting about your prodigal son.

this is funny.....don't worry about it....just post good stuff about hoops. also don't worry about karma....in fact, I like messing with people's karma......just for fun....but i haven't touched yours - good or bad.....so i must not be one of the influential guys you were talking about...

so you are a welcomed member of this board!

Hey Narch - it may not be captj....but dang if the attitude isn't the same!!  ;D :D I've been married 21 years and I do undertsand the language of "bitchy"  ;D ;D ;D ;D (did i put enuff smiley faces to indicate a JOKE?)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 08, 2006, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: GCman82 on December 06, 2006, 01:07:05 AM
hello all, long time no talk!  anyway like narch said the pride are off to a great start this season.  i have only seen them once against guilford, which was a great game by the way.  if a shot had not rimmed out at the buzzer GC would be undefeated right now, but coulda, woulda, shoulda.  anyway, good start for GC so far and i can't wait for the conference season to start.  GC doesn't play a home game until Dec. 21st, does anyone else have to wait that long?  just curious.

GO PRIDE!

I know exactly what you mean. I dont think that there is a team that waits that long for a home game and then the home game is while all of the students are on Christmas break. I know that i am hanging around for that event its going to be interesting to see how things work out for the pride and the Captains
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 08, 2006, 03:52:14 PM
Dang...by Dec 21st CNU will have played their 6th home game of the season!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 08, 2006, 08:00:24 PM
Hi, this is sludge.  I'm just lurking, but I'll be lurking to a gym near you soon enough.
USA South looks pretty strong.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 08, 2006, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 08, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
ok, ive seen enough. i started at the beginning, skipped to the end, and what i read there makes me sure that i dont want to go any farther. i irritated someone influential on this board a few weeks ago, so im not on the best of standing here, and i would like to continue to be a welcome member of this board. you guys can think what you want, but im not who you think i am. ill continue to dig a little deeper into this issue so that i have a better understanding of the dynamics of usasac posters, but this is the last time ill be posting about your prodigal son.

Wow. And you go to CNU?? Man that's some good edumaction you are gettin thar boy!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 08, 2006, 11:57:52 PM
Don't you USASAC people believe in conference games?
Why don't you quit beating up on the poor ODAC and start whomping each other!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 09, 2006, 07:31:31 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 08, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
ok, ive seen enough. i started at the beginning, skipped to the end, and what i read there makes me sure that i dont want to go any farther. i irritated someone influential on this board a few weeks ago, so im not on the best of standing here, and i would like to continue to be a welcome member of this board. you guys can think what you want, but im not who you think i am. ill continue to dig a little deeper into this issue so that i have a better understanding of the dynamics of usasac posters, but this is the last time ill be posting about your prodigal son.

mensa - i can assure you that i've never given you negative karma, and that nothing you've said has rubbed me the wrong way...in fact some of the points you've made and the style with which you write reminded me of captj, who is sorely missed for his particular brand of insight - coming from '85 and myself, you should take it as a compliment that we thought you might be captj (and i'm not 100% sure you aren't, although if you are, you're carrying the rouse out pretty thoroughly :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: narch on December 09, 2006, 07:31:31 AM
[mensa - i can assure you that i've never given you negative karma, and that nothing you've said has rubbed me the wrong way...in fact some of the points you've made and the style with which you write reminded me of captj, who is sorely missed for his particular brand of insight - coming from '85 and myself, you should take it as a compliment that we thought you might be captj (and i'm not 100% sure you aren't, although if you are, you're carrying the rouse out pretty thoroughly :))
now im totally confused, but lets talk bball. i looked at the cnu schedule over the holidays this year and compared it to last year and i dont see an obvious game at which to introduce mid-season additions. last year we had a game on 12/21, and then saw new players on 1/3. thats about a 2 week period between those games. this year we have games pretty much all through the holidat period with games on 12/16, 20, 21, 29, 30, and 1/6, 10. i guess the likely time would be the 1 week break before games on 12/30 and 1/6. but, obviously, new players can play before classes actually begin, since claxton played on 1/3 last year. if the new players are able to play before they attend classes, might we see them almost immediately? i dont know when new students can register, but ive been registered for some time now, so if registration is the event that makes them eligible, maybe well see them soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 02:02:48 PM
Im going to go out on a limb and say the staff wont bring anyone new on board, mensa. I know its been very typical in the past, but with the requirements to get in to the school now, its going to be difficult. My nephew was trying to transfer in to CNU from another school and he had decent grades, slightly above average, and he was turned away. It almost seems like you have to be a brain surgeon to get in there as a transfer now, at least according to my wife's side of the family!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 02:50:30 PM
But I would not be surprised if they did add someone mid-year. Its been a tradition it seems. But who knows. I guess we all will know either on the 16th, 20th, 21st, 29th, or 30th. Or even post-New Years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 02:02:48 PM
Im going to go out on a limb and say the staff wont bring anyone new on board, mensa. I know its been very typical in the past, but with the requirements to get in to the school now, its going to be difficult. My nephew was trying to transfer in to CNU from another school and he had decent grades, slightly above average, and he was turned away. It almost seems like you have to be a brain surgeon to get in there as a transfer now, at least according to my wife's side of the family!!  ;D
you could be right. there are already 14 players on the team and according to the team website, in the last decade the only time there have been moe than 14 on the roster was once in 97/98 when there were 15 players. a couple of years there were only 12 players. i guess small rosters are a cnu tradition.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 03:08:31 PM
au 16 players on roster
cnu 14
fc 17
gc 14
mc 16
ncw 16
su 18

is there a limit?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 03:18:26 PM
if you want to see a good defensive bball game, go to cbs right now and watch the tex a&m / ucla game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 02:02:48 PM
My nephew was trying to transfer in to CNU from another school and he had decent grades, slightly above average, and he was turned away.
he must have gone to nvcc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 03:08:31 PM
au 16 players on roster
cnu 14
fc 17
gc 14
mc 16
ncw 16
su 18

is there a limit?

I dont think there is a limit. But I think a lot of it depends on the women's teams as well. There may be a title 9 issue there if someone decided to be a rear. But I could be wrong about this, wouldnt be the first time!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 09, 2006, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 02:02:48 PM
My nephew was trying to transfer in to CNU from another school and he had decent grades, slightly above average, and he was turned away.
he must have gone to nvcc.
must not have been a recruited student-athlete :)...ok...sorry, let's not go down that road...strike that last comment :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 09:46:44 PM
Quote from: narch on December 09, 2006, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 09, 2006, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2006, 02:02:48 PM
My nephew was trying to transfer in to CNU from another school and he had decent grades, slightly above average, and he was turned away.
he must have gone to nvcc.
must not have been a recruited student-athlete :)...ok...sorry, let's not go down that road...strike that last comment :)

Best laugh Ive had all day narch!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 11, 2006, 04:42:35 PM
Wow, I am back.  Been a while been real busy.  Ok so I will come back with a bang.  Here are my power rankings for the USASouth.  (The process which I came up with looks to be fairly, well dead on.)  Grant it, it is still early and the power rankings do take in account of conference losses.  (There are of course no conference games right now)  I compared it to last year stats to see what it looks like once conference losses take account.  Anyway here it is.

Week 3 Power Rankings
1. Averett
2. Greensboro
3. NC Wesleyan
4. CNU
5. Ferrum
6. Methodist
7. Shenadoah

To show the accuaracy here is the final standings from last year and the use on the power rankings

Final Standings

1. Chris. Newport
2. Averett 
3. Greensboro
4. Methodist   
5. N.C. Wesleyan 
6. Ferrum
7. Shenandoah

Power Ranking Standings

1. CNU
2. Averett
3. Greensboro
4. Methodist
5. NC Wesleyan
6. Shenadoah
7. Ferrum

Not too shabby.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 11, 2006, 06:19:06 PM
Congrats to SU's Onyie Onunaku for snagging POW honors.  Wish we would have scheduled a couple of DIII schools lately so we could compare how we stack up to the rest of the USASC teams in out-of-conference play.  Although, at least we're getting in some good time against bigger opponents... 

Not sure about the power rankings listed:  I would have to list Averett and CNU as the top two schools... and Methodist would be ahead of Greensboro just because they have a guy named Dragan and that is cool...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 11, 2006, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 11, 2006, 06:19:06 PM
Not sure about the power rankings listed:  I would have to list Averett and CNU as the top two schools... and Methodist would be ahead of Greensboro just because they have a guy named Dragan and that is cool...

Again, right now it focuses more on the wins out of conference. Can't argue AU is 7-0 right now.  Once conference play starts and more games are under teams belts the rankings should reflect where the teams are.  (.7 points is the spread from 2nd to 4th that is, well believe me very close.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 11, 2006, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 11, 2006, 04:42:35 PMHere are my power rankings for the USASouth.  (The process which I came up with looks to be fairly, well dead on.) 

let's see this process...how do you go about ranking the teams? what determines that it's "well dead on"?

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 11, 2006, 07:39:46 PM(.7 points is the spread from 2nd to 4th that is, well believe me very close.

i suppose we'll have to believe you since you haven't posted your formula or each schools individual "score", so we'll have to trust that there is a .7 point differential between 2nd and 4th

share your methodology so the rest of us can comment on your rankings
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 11, 2006, 10:20:39 PM
Dang it narch, you beat me to it!! But I echo your sentiments. I too would like to see what your formula and how you determined each school's power ranking.  I agree with SU when CNU should be ahead of NC Wesleyan. They do have two common opponents coming, well, one now that I think about it. Wesley was in NCW's tournament but they didnt play them. So that leaves Piedmont. Should be interesting to see how the Capts come out to play on Saturday after having two straight weeks off. Then they had to G'boro for a twin-bill against Fisk and John Carroll. Carroll is tough, I did a little bit of research and I think their best player this year was not on the team last year but played two seasons ago when they went very deep in the NCAA Tournament. Should be a great test for the Captains on the road on a neutral floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 12, 2006, 08:33:42 AM
cnu is 1 vote out of the top 25 this week. averett up to #15. after a 2-loss week, rmc falls completely off the board with no votes. this demonstrates how precarious being a ranked team is. someone on one of the other boards posted a list of teams that have been fixtures in the top 25 for years. ill try to find it and clip it here.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 12, 2006, 08:37:07 AM
compliments of david collinge over on the top-25 board -


Top 25 News and Notes, Vol. VIII, Issue 111

Two weeks into the season, and we still have 53 teams receiving votes.  This week the top 25 saw a shake-up, including at the top, but the inevitable shake-out is still on the horizon.

Congratulations to the new #1 team, a familiar name to readers of this column: the College of Wooster.  Although Wooster is almost a permanent member of the top 10 (having been ranked there 81 times in 111 polls), it is actually only the 6th week that the Fighting Scots have reached the top step of the ladder.  In the 2000-01 season, they reached the top in Week 12, and lost to arch-rival Wittenberg that weekend.  In the 2004-05 season, the Scots became #1 on two separate occasions (Weeks 7 and 13), and both times lost to Wittenberg that week.  Then last season, when Wittenberg was #1, #2 Wooster knocked them off to take over the top spot.  So who is on the Scots' schedule this week?  I mean, besides Oberlin?  That's right, #6 Wittenberg.  Stay tuned to this channel for further developments. 

Debutantes:

#8 Whitworth has reached the top 10 for the first time in poll history; and
#20 Averett broke into the top 25 for the first time ever, in just their second week receiving votes.
Congratulations to the Pirates and Cougars!

Streakers:
In nabbing the poll's top two spots, Wooster and Amherst extended their record streaks:

#1 Wooster is in the top 10 for the 41st consecutive week, and received votes for the 111th straight time, and
#2 Amherst is in the top 25 for the 66th consecutive week.
Elsewhere,

#2 Amherst is in the top 10 for the 10th straight week;
#4 Virginia Wesleyan and #10 Lincoln are in the the top 25 for the 10th consecutive time each;
#25 UW-Whitewater received votes for the 80th consecutive week; 
Baldwin-Wallace received votes for the 20th consecutive week, but had their streak of top 25 appearances snapped at 15 straight.
Congratulations to these great programs!

High-Water Marks:

#8 Whitworth, #17 Bates, and #20 Averett each set new highest-ever-ranked marks in this poll;
#3 Ohio Northern, #5 St. Thomas, and #10 Lincoln each tied their highest ranking ever (ONU, Week 14 of 2000-01; UST, 4 weeks in the 2001-02 season; and Lincoln, last year's final poll.)
Congratulations on these achievements!

Milestones:

#3 Ohio Northern is a top 10 team for the 10th time;
#5 St. Thomas is a top 25 team for the 40th time;
#13 Mississippi College received votes for the 60th time;
#9 Lawrence received votes for the 50th time; and
Keene St. received votes for the 30th time.
Congratulations to these teams, and to all who continue to make this such a great game! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 09:48:16 AM
These "Power Rankings" are like the BCS, in a sense that it isn't perfect.  i just compared it to the national level I took d3hoops top 25 (the top 10) and ran my numbers against it and squeezed out my top 10.  Again it is still early.  This is probably something that should be used until the end of the season.  There is a slight emphasis on games the teams play.  Losing conference games hurts alot in my little system.  I am not giving away my formula but, expected wins and wins games played and conference losses all are part of it.

MY TOP 10 

Whitworth
UW-Stevens Point
Amherst
Wooster
VA Wesleyan
Augustana
St. Thomas
Ohio Northern
Wittenberg
Lawrence

D3hoops

Wooster (22)
Amherst (3)
Virginia Wesleyan
St. Thomas
UW-Stevens Point
Wittenberg
Ohio Northern
Whitworth
Lawrence
Augustana

As you can see my top team is 10-0, 8-0 in second spot.  Once more games are played it all should balance out.  Unless ya'all feel the top 10 isn't that bad. If the team is undefeated well they are higher on the list.  Again I will say it is still too early.

Losing a conference game is probably the worst thing a team can do to affect the position.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 09:52:27 AM
I will keep it to the conference for now and release a national one each week when the regional rankings come out (I will do a top 25).  I will even use my system in the pick'em contest to pick my games enroute to the National Championship and I will let you know how well I will do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 12, 2006, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 09:48:16 AM
I am not giving away my formula
i dont know how everyone else feels, but if i cant see how you derived your rankings, you might as well be posting a personal opinion. why the secrecy with the formula? do you think it wont stand up to scrutiny?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 12, 2006, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 09:48:16 AM
I am not giving away my formula but, expected wins and wins games played and conference losses all are part of it.

Translation ... it's a WAG.

For those of you unfamiliar with the acronym ...
W - wild
G - guess
I'm sure you can come up with the "A".  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 12:31:34 PM
I said what the formula uses in prior post. what else to you want. If you really must have it then I guess I will give it out.
Simplifed version.

((EW+W)/(2))-(Conference)L

EW wins uses PF and PA against and GP

First part uses statistical wins and actual wins and finds the avg.  You take out any conference losses from that average.  I think if you can't dominate your conference how do you expect to dominate on the national scene.

I will put numbers out with the rankings once the season gets more underway.  You may look at it and say it doesn't take in account of SOS outside of the conference. In fact it very well may.  If you play some close games out of conference against good teams with one or two points either way you may win 2 out 4 or 4 out of 4. But if you dominate your conference it looks pretty good.  If you don't then it looks bad.  Whatever the situation PF and PA it should equal out. We will see what it looks like much later in the season.

It almost predicted the conference finish of last year.  Only difference was the SU FC spots.  When in fact though SU got most of thier wins out of conference.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2006, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 12:31:34 PM
I said what the formula uses in prior post. what else to you want. If you really must have it then I guess I will give it out.
Simplifed version.

((EW+W)/(2))-(Conference)L

EW wins uses PF and PA against and GP

First part uses statistical wins and actual wins and finds the avg.  You take out any conference losses from that average.  I think if you can't dominate your conference how do you expect to dominate on the national scene.

I will put numbers out with the rankings once the season gets more underway.  You may look at it and say it doesn't take in account of SOS outside of the conference. In fact it very well may.  If you play some close games out of conference against good teams with one or two points either way you may win 2 out 4 or 4 out of 4. But if you dominate your conference it looks pretty good.  If you don't then it looks bad.  Whatever the situation PF and PA it should equal out. We will see what it looks like much later in the season.

It almost predicted the conference finish of last year.  Only difference was the SU FC spots.  When in fact though SU got most of thier wins out of conference.

this really clarifies things for me...

how about the un-simplified version for those of us that can understand simple mathematical equations?

by the way...i looked at your last 75 posts and the only one i saw which even MENTIONED the formula, was the post quoted by mensa...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2006, 02:00:12 PM
pridesportbasicballguy - please understand i'm not attacking you here...simply trying to get an understanding of this statistical system you are using to predict the outcome of games and give teams "power rankings" - if this is truly as accurate as you claim, i might take it to vegas with me and cash in :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 02:44:03 PM
I really don't know how accurate it is.  I mean it mixed up FC and SU's spot. (Last year's final standings) I don't know of the top of my head how close all SU games were in conference play compared to FC games.  They may have played closer games then FC.  The reasons why the system put them ahead of Ferrum College.

The formula used is what it is.

Only EW has a more complex system.  Its used already and the guy who used/came up with that formula says there is a about +/-  3 games.  Thats why I averaged that number with the teams actual wins.

EW calculation is GP*(((PF)^14)/(((PF)^14)+((PA)^14))). 

Thats how it is listed in my spread sheet.

Its interesting at least.  I want to see the effectiveness compared outside.  I don't know how accurate it is early on.  My guess is it is just like the massey ratings as of right now.  Averett is currently #2 in that. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 12, 2006, 02:52:57 PM
too complicated for this simpleton. I'll just watch the games and the team with the highest number under their nameon the scoreboard gets a W...the other team gets the L. The team with the most W's at the end of the season can be in first place.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 03:21:32 PM
although I think it may still be to early in the season.  I am going to make 3 game picks tonight to see how it works.  I don't know if this formula can be worked like this.  I guess we will see

4-4 NC Wesylean Beats 4-3 Hampden-Sydney (It looks like most people on the ODAC board have picked HSC)

4-3  Juniata beats 4-3 York(PA)  (I actually think this game will be really close. The formula has Juniata as the better team by .04 points.  This game is played at York. So that might push them over the edge) I am sticking to the formula though.

0-7 Fitchburg State beats 1-8 Becker.

If I go 0-3 tonight,  I know and I should hear it tomorrow.  (I think the system still might be missing something.)  This is used to to deterime expected wins not wins against other teams. I just can't get over how well it worked out and got the standings fairly accurate from last year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 12, 2006, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 03:21:32 PM
I actually think this game will be really close. The formula has Juniata as the better team by .04 points.  This game is played at York. So that might push them over the edge
i think youve hit it on the head right here. your formula should have a home/away variable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 12, 2006, 09:20:15 PM
Regardless of the formula, I still don't think Greensboro should be "ranked" that high among conference teams - unless their lineup of transfers are all like the Berg guy from last year.  That guy could shoot.

Still backing my formula until conference games start:  Dragan > Gboro 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 12, 2006, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 03:21:32 PMI just can't get over how well it worked out and got the standings fairly accurate from last year.

question - did you apply the formula to last season before or after the games were played?

and what is the carrot thingy? i'm not familiar with that symbol

what is the significance of the number 14?

how is this applied?  do you calculate the formula for each of the teams then the team with the higher number is your winner?

details, my man, details

i like su97's formula better, although i'm not sure it's correct :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 12, 2006, 10:39:44 PM
went 1-2 with my picks.  The bottom feeder game.  I just don't think there are enough games yet.  Since there is an emphasis on conference games.  NCWC of course has no conference games under thier belt threw off my numbers.  Yeah maybe I am pushing it to be right.  I don't think it can be used to determine games since it is used to figure out wins  :-\.  I will pick games every day and see what happens.  Work it out I guess to get it right.

narch-
When I did it of course it is after games from last year.  I orginally set it up just as EW (that crazy formula)  It had SU in 4th in the conference.  I said that would be impossible since they only won one conference game.  I had to factor in a way for conference losses.  I tried subtracting conference losses as my first step.  In order to get all wins in the conference.  It ended up making the order alot better with the exception of SU and FC.

Carrot thing is "power"

14 is based on the EW- Source:(http://basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html)  Ask this guy.

I set out and apply that formula stated earlier and the higher number is my winner.  I think there are still quite a few bugs to work out.  The current order if you play more games you are going to be on top.  Again though with more wins it makes it easier to be up top.  I thought about it all day.  I might want to set up a ratio based on total number games.  500 points in 5 games means 2700 points in 27 games.  Catch my drift applying it on a larger scale. Something along those lines.  I might like to add a QOWI to it somwhere.  Right I say it is good for Power Rankings not for predicting games.

SU97-Look at like opponets and tell me who beat who in out of conference schedule.  I just glanced at and saw my power rankings could reflect it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2006, 01:42:44 PM
Even though I play with numbers all day at work, this stuff is too deep for me. Maybe I come on here to relax a little and the thought of more analysis just doesn't click for me. Keep up the good work. It's always good to see stuff like this....at some point I'll mess with the formula....but for now I'll be my usual sophomoric self ad just say....my point guard is better than yours!!  :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2006, 04:34:31 PM
Karma for everyone....It's Christmas!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 13, 2006, 08:20:54 PM
I found something interesting today.  Its called power %.  It is in a nutshell how well a team scores.  (Which includes FT's etc.)

An explaination follows.

"The team scoring on 58% of its possessions will win 99% of the time (that's an educated guess not based on scores of hundreds of games). The only ways the team with the 53% floor % will win is by making enough three pointers and/or by having several of the 58 opponent's scoring possessions be worth only one point (making only one of two free throws). A typical score for this game would be 116-106. It might be 114-108 or 117-105 [this was used from NBA too, hence why those numbers are high IMO] but any difference smaller than about six points or larger than about fourteen would be very unusual."

(Adding floor%/power % to the power ranking equation makes the .7 point difference from 2nd to 4th go to .24) I also added another part to the power ranking net points/FGA

from http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/

In an example NCWC defeats CNU last year 93-80

CNU Floor % was about 55%
NCWC Floor % was about 49%

Game Stats
CNU was 3-17 from 3pt line
NCWC was 7-18 from 3pt line

CNU was 19-35 FT's (IMO the difference in the game)
NCWC was 28-36 FT's

Narch- Methodist's floor % was higher then GC maybe the reason why GC lost 2 against them.  There was nothing in the box scores that stuck out.  Everything seemed to fit within a flow of a normal game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 13, 2006, 11:42:56 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 13, 2006, 04:34:31 PM
Karma for everyone....It's Christmas!!
if you gave me a +1, then 4 other people took a shot at me. i havent posted a word in over a day and i still manage to ruffle feathers? im starting to understand how hasanova feels.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on December 14, 2006, 11:46:13 AM
Can someone answer - Is Averett basketball for real again this year or is the success that they are experiencing now from a weak non-conference schedule?

I know they were good last year, but I thought they lost a lot of seniors/starters. As you can tell, I don't follow basketball that much, but I am a Averett fan and it appears they are doing very well right now. But as far as knowing if this is from a weak schedule or if they really are that good, I don't know. I don't see any other Averett folks on the basketball board to ask, so maybe one of the experts on here can fill me in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on December 14, 2006, 12:56:13 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on December 14, 2006, 11:46:13 AM
Can someone answer - Is Averett basketball for real again this year or is the success that they are experiencing now from a weak non-conference schedule?

I know they were good last year, but I thought they lost a lot of seniors/starters. As you can tell, I don't follow basketball that much, but I am a Averett fan and it appears they are doing very well right now. But as far as knowing if this is from a weak schedule or if they really are that good, I don't know. I don't see any other Averett folks on the basketball board to ask, so maybe one of the experts on here can fill me in.

Kickerdad - I'm a VWC fan, and Averett beat the #1 team in DIII America. I believe they may be for real!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 14, 2006, 02:49:26 PM
Kickerdad....go to the front page of d3hoops and click on top 25..then look at the preaseason poll and then look to see who on that poll AU has beaten......

I think they are scary good this year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on December 14, 2006, 04:18:47 PM
85 - wow, this could come down to a repeat of last year Averett/CNU .....This is starting to be a trend...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on December 14, 2006, 04:30:14 PM


Kickerdad - I'm a VWC fan, and Averett beat the #1 team in DIII America. I believe they may be for real!
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Now if the football team can get it together and beat Mount Union (#1 DIII football as of this date) next year, Averett will have some bragging rights.

Yea, Yea, I already hear you guys.............."When donkeys fly" .........but anything is possible, you never know.

OK, so I am a big dreamer......for 58 minutes and a few seconds I thought Averett was going to beat CNU this year too. I am just glad it didn't come down to a kick, cause I would have started smoking all over again in those few seconds.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on December 14, 2006, 07:45:12 PM
In response to KickerDad's question about Averett being for real, so far its been a fun season.  Will they stay undefeated?  Probably not, but they give a great effort every night.  Coach Allen is a very intense guy but the guys have bought into his style of play.  It is a very uptempo style of play but there will be some nights like last year at Greensboro where you can't buy a basket.  The point guard who is a transfer is a very good player and we have most of our inside guys from last year.  Coach subs frequently so a lot of the players see action.  This has helped this year since a lot of the sophmores saw some time last year as freshman, even if it wasn't significant minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 14, 2006, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on December 14, 2006, 11:46:13 AM
Can someone answer - Is Averett basketball for real again this year or is the success that they are experiencing now from a weak non-conference schedule?

Is that some kind of left-handed whack at the ODAC?  And are you kidding after they beat VWC, which is noticeably hard to do?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Guilford playing Shenandoah and Averett.  Should be exciting basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: averetthoops on December 14, 2006, 07:45:12 PM
...  Coach subs frequently so a lot of the players see action.  This has helped this year since a lot of the sophmores saw some time last year as freshman, even if it wasn't significant minutes.

You have 10 players with double-digit minutes so that is significant.

That also allows your 20 minutes players to step up the intensity!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 15, 2006, 03:13:07 AM
I tell you if both Averett and Guilford are both undefeated I might just have to venture up the road to see it
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 15, 2006, 10:00:12 PM
Are there any basketball games in the near future?? This break is killing me!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 15, 2006, 10:43:05 PM
the monarchs play sunday and monday at the rmc tourney...rmc in round one on sunday and gettysburg or union on monday
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 15, 2006, 11:30:04 PM
Captains and the Bobcats meet Saturday at 2 pm in the Free.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on December 16, 2006, 08:45:39 AM
AU plays Monday at 5 against Marymount.  Then we have Guilford at home on January 2nd.  Then its on to York, PA that weekend
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2006, 10:51:02 PM
monarchs beat randy mac 76-69 today and will play gettysburg on monday...no box on the rmc site or on d3hoops.com - solid win for mu
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 18, 2006, 05:19:06 PM
Nice win over the weekend for SU against Mary Wash, hope some of that continues tonight at Guilford. 

PS:  I like all the talk about Averett tearing things up this year, but they still need to beat CNU in the regular season and conf. tourney.  Which is something they haven't done in like 4-5 years if I remember correctly.  They still need to find an answer to Blasingame in the paint, he was by far the best guy down low all year in '05-06. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 18, 2006, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 18, 2006, 05:19:06 PM
Nice win over the weekend for SU against Mary Wash, hope some of that continues tonight at Guilford. 

PS:  I like all the talk about Averett tearing things up this year, but they still need to beat CNU in the regular season and conf. tourney.  Which is something they haven't done in like 4-5 years if I remember correctly.  They still need to find an answer to Blasingame in the paint, he was by far the best guy down low all year in '05-06. 

I just got home from the SU at Guilford game.  The Quakers won 70-58 to stay unbeaten at 7-0 and the Hornets are now 3-4.  SU is very athletic, but GC had too much height inside (Strong and Sanborn had 18 points, 12 rebounds and 7 blocks in the Center position) and Snipes got hot with 15 first half points.  A very physical game without many whistles from the officials - neither team ever got in the bonus, but there was one intentional foul on a play that Strong was probably going to dunk.  SU will win their share this year.  I wonder how long Guilford can stay unbeaten - next two games at Methodist and Averett.  We'll see ....

http://www.guilford.edu/sports/Mbasketball/2006-07/HTML/gcm-07.htm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 18, 2006, 10:04:31 PM
the monarchs win 71-61 against gettysburg...nice weekend for mu
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 19, 2006, 09:29:36 AM
Quote from: narch on December 18, 2006, 10:04:31 PM
the monarchs win 71-61 against gettysburg...nice weekend for mu
I agree, very nice weekend for the Monarchs.  Should be a good game versus Guilford in Fayetteville on Dec. 30.  narch, I think you already found this information, but here's the box from Gettysburg and Methodist:

http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/stats/men_bball/mcmgu.htm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 19, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
Week 4 Power Rankings

Averett
CNU
Greensboro
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Ferrum
Shenadoah

CNU and AU are starting to pull away.  With .4 points the difference from second to third.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on December 19, 2006, 11:00:13 AM
Just saw the new Top 25 poll.  Averett moves up to #12 and CNU comes in at #25.  Great for the conference to have 2 teams in the Top 25!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 19, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Narch,

nice win against Randy-Mac.......I think you guys are hiding under the radar!!! Gonna be fun come conference play!! Lots of really good teams this year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 19, 2006, 11:31:27 AM
Quote from: averetthoops on December 19, 2006, 11:00:13 AM
Just saw the new Top 25 poll.  Averett moves up to #12 and CNU comes in at #25.  Great for the conference to have 2 teams in the Top 25!
Congratulations to AU and CNU.  Of area interest from the ODAC, VWC still at #3 and the unbeaten Guilford Quakers garnered 14 points in this poll, up from 3 last week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 19, 2006, 11:52:29 AM
three teams drop out of the top 25 and cnu just moves up one spot from 26 to 25, receiving one more vote than last week. i guess voters werent very impressed with the frostburg win. both nyu and north central slipped by cnu, and neither of those teams seemed to have great weeks either. for the week of 12/11-17, nyu beat a 2-7 team and north central was idle. north central did win against a 4-5 team last night but that shouldnt have been considered. but, there are only 3 votes difference between the 3 teams at the bottom, so if only one voter adjusted his or her opinion of cnu, that would be enough for the others to slip by. we need to do well against john carroll tomorrow and fisk the day after that. conference gaames start soon!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 19, 2006, 02:02:29 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 19, 2006, 11:05:30 AM
Narch,

nice win against Randy-Mac.......I think you guys are hiding under the radar!!! Gonna be fun come conference play!! Lots of really good teams this year!

not sure how good a win that was...randy mac is just 5-4 this season...but as a monarch fan, i'll take it

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 19, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
Week 4 Power Rankings

Averett
CNU
Greensboro
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Ferrum
Shenadoah

CNU and AU are starting to pull away.  With .4 points the difference from second to third.

i agree with your top 3...the bottom 4 are really tough to rank, for me, but here goes - i've given d3 wins and losses to substantiate each ranking:

4. su - 2-2 against solid d3 competition, with wins against emu (5-4) and mwc (7-1) and losses to frostburg (4-5) and gcq (7-0)

the win against mwc really stands out here, and the losses are not horrible losses

5. mu - 4-1 against d3 competition with wins against nna (0-8), baruch (3-5), rmc (5-4) and gettysburg (2-7) and a loss @ piedmont (4-5)

wins against baruch and rmc looked better in the pre-season than they do right now...vwc and guilford are next up for the monarchs, so we'll see what they're made of...i could be over-rating them because of my allegiance, but i'm also looking at the result vs. d1 gardner webb (a game which was close for all but the last 7 minutes, or so) and a solid game against naia d2 erau (ranked 6th nationally and 10-2 right now)

6. ncwc - 3-5 against d3 competition with wins against john jay (1-9), southrn vt (4-5) and york, ny (6-4) and losses to lagrange (7-4), oglethorpe (5-3), mwc (7-1), piedmont (4-5) and hsc (5-3)

the york, ny win is solid, and losses to hsc, oglethorpe, hsc and piedmont are respectable losses

7. fc - 3-2 against d3 competition with wins against piedmont (4-5), lynchburg (2-5) and huntingdon (1-7) and losses to hsc (5-3) and emu (5-4)

the win against piedmont is solid, and losses to hsc and emu are not bad losses, either
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 19, 2006, 04:29:15 PM
narch, good work on the USASAC rankings.  I know it'll take you some time, but could I persuade you to do the same sort of thing on the ODAC board?  Until proven otherwise, I'll even give you the first team (hint - way over in eastern VA), so you only have nine more.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 19, 2006, 04:59:58 PM
Narch-

Yours are solid.  They have some merit.  My "computer rankings"  although not perfect have FC and SU college at the bottom.  They are being out scored by opponents and you can't win many games in the long run if that is kept up. So the rankings show that  :-\  It is tough to rank the rest of the league after the bottom three.

I posted earlier about this power %/floor %.  MU is % is solid right now at 53% 3rd best in the conference (for an explaination see previous post.)  CNU has the best right now followed by NCWC.  AU is at 51% but because they can knock down 3's(8.11 3's a game) it doesn't really hurt them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 19, 2006, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: narch on December 19, 2006, 02:02:29 PM
5. mu - 4-1 against d3 competition with wins against nna (0-8), baruch (3-5), rmc (5-4) and gettysburg (2-7) and a loss @ piedmont (4-5)
is nna a d3 program? i see that the guru has given them a hyperlink when they are listed as an opponent (unlike non d3 schools), but when you click on it no information loads (conference, schedule, etc).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2006, 12:35:48 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 19, 2006, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: narch on December 19, 2006, 02:02:29 PM
5. mu - 4-1 against d3 competition with wins against nna (0-8), baruch (3-5), rmc (5-4) and gettysburg (2-7) and a loss @ piedmont (4-5)
is nna a d3 program? i see that the guru has given them a hyperlink when they are listed as an opponent (unlike non d3 schools), but when you click on it no information loads (conference, schedule, etc).
NNA (http://www.gobuilders.com/athleticdept.htm) is a NCAA affiliate school, but not a member.  Games versus NNA count as a 4-yr degree granting institution, (if I understand the wording correctly) and records and stats are officially acknowledged by the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 08:02:33 AM
thanks, ralph. wow, over 10000 posts and +261 karma! youre my hero and im being serious about that. there should be an all-galaxy category for you. this website continues to amaze me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2006, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 08:02:33 AM
thanks, ralph. wow, over 10000 posts and +261 karma! youre my hero and im being serious about that. there should be an all-galaxy category for you. this website continues to amaze me.
notamensa - I share your thoughts about the quantity and more importantly, quality, of Ralph's posts.  Even though I've never met Mr. Turner (and I sincerely hope I will), he is one of the (if not the) most respected posters on d3sports.com.  He certainly knows his DIII sports, of course, but he also gets universal respect because he gives respect.   He's "All Galaxy" in my book as well.  lol  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 20, 2006, 08:58:08 AM
He certainly knows his DIII sports, of course, but he also gets universal respect because he gives respect.   
something for us all to aspire to.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2006, 10:22:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2006, 12:35:48 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 19, 2006, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: narch on December 19, 2006, 02:02:29 PM
5. mu - 4-1 against d3 competition with wins against nna (0-8), baruch (3-5), rmc (5-4) and gettysburg (2-7) and a loss @ piedmont (4-5)
is nna a d3 program? i see that the guru has given them a hyperlink when they are listed as an opponent (unlike non d3 schools), but when you click on it no information loads (conference, schedule, etc).
NNA (http://www.gobuilders.com/athleticdept.htm) is a NCAA affiliate school, but not a member.  Games versus NNA count as a 4-yr degree granting institution, (if I understand the wording correctly) and records and stats are officially acknowledged by the NCAA.
Some of our posters just learning more about NNA might not realize that one of their more successful football coaches was Halifax County, VA (South Boston area) native Norm Snead.  Snead coached NNA two different times (77-84 and 88-89) after his 16-year NFL career.  I was too young to remember his Wake Forest career, but certainly remember him in the pros.  He played QB with five teams, but I mainly know him from the Redskins, Eagles and Vikings.  I also remember the buzz and was at the game when his Builders came to Greensboro in 1988 to play the Quakers.  He was so well known he had a lot of autograph requests after the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2006, 10:27:16 AM
Norm Snead...another Native from "The Peninsula" right here in CNU's back yard. I can't remember what HS he played for....have to look that up when I get some time. Maybe NNASID remembers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2006, 10:58:01 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 20, 2006, 10:27:16 AM
Norm Snead...another Native from "The Peninsula" right here in CNU's back yard. I can't remember what HS he played for....have to look that up when I get some time. Maybe NNASID remembers.

Warwick HS.  Snead was born in Halifax Co., but, as you said, grew up in Newport News.

http://www.virginiasportshalloffame.com/hall/induct_sneadn.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 20, 2006, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 08:02:33 AM
thanks, ralph. wow, over 10000 posts and +261 karma! youre my hero and im being serious about that. there should be an all-galaxy category for you. this website continues to amaze me.

I agree. Dr. Ralph Turner is a voice of reason in this D3 wilderness.  He is a true gentleman, scholar and a first rate poster.  He is a role model I try to emulate but alas I fall short at times... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 20, 2006, 01:17:14 PM
So Posters tonight here in Greensboro the Captains (4-2) are in action Against John Carroll (6-3). This looks like it might be a tough task for us tommorow as well as tonight for the USA South teams competeing what do you think the keys will be for the Captains to come out on top?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 01:50:09 PM
i think cnu has to stay out of foul trouble, hit their 3s, and rebound well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 20, 2006, 02:05:29 PM
didn't john carroll run "the system" (as employed by grinell) at one point?  i was looking at their box scores this season and they look decidedly un-system like, but seem to recall that they were a system school...maybe i'm wrong, or maybe they discovered that "the system" doesn't work :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 20, 2006, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: narch on December 20, 2006, 02:05:29 PM
didn't john carroll run "the system" (as employed by grinell) at one point?  i was looking at their box scores this season and they look decidedly un-system like, but seem to recall that they were a system school...maybe i'm wrong, or maybe they discovered that "the system" doesn't work :)


Indeed it do belive they did. I noticed earlier in a walk through when i stoped by the gym they were running a very unorthadox type of offense sets. So it will be very interesting to see them in action against the USA South who is one of the toughest conferences this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 20, 2006, 02:36:44 PM
i just did a little research to answer my own question - if john carroll ever was a "system" school, they certainly don't seem to be one now...here are the basic tenets of "system" basketball:

1) Take 100 shots a game
2) 50% of those shots are 3 pt attempts
3) Force 32 turnovers
4) Get offensive rebounds on 33% of the shots
5) Take 30 more shots than the opponent

i don't think they've met these statistical goals in many, if any, games this year indicating that they do not currently employ "the system" - i'll do more research to find out if they ever have
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2006, 02:57:11 PM
Quote from: narch on December 20, 2006, 02:36:44 PM
i just did a little research to answer my own question - if john carroll ever was a "system" school, they certainly don't seem to be one now...here are the basic tenets of "system" basketball:

1) Take 100 shots a game
2) 50% of those shots are 3 pt attempts
3) Force 32 turnovers
4) Get offensive rebounds on 33% of the shots
5) Take 30 more shots than the opponent

i don't think they've met these statistical goals in many, if any, games this year indicating that they do not currently employ "the system" - i'll do more research to find out if they ever have
I don't think the Blue Streaks are a "System" team either, but they will run if their opponent does.  Look at the boxscore from last year's 137-127 win over E&H.  JCU made 50 baskets in 80 shots (all 2-pointers) and attempted zero 3-pointers.  In contrast, E&H took 102 total shots and converted 18 of 62 three-pointers.  Obviously, JCU's other 37 points in this game were FTs (they took 68!).  This sounds like exactly the same strategy used by Guilford in all three of their 2005-06 wins over the Wasps.   Run if the other team wants to run, but outscore them inside and let them shoot the lower percentage three.  The rest of John Carroll's scores look like traditional basketball to me.

http://www.jcu.edu/studentl/Athletics/varsity/teams/basketball/men/BoxScores0506/jcmb0601.htm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 20, 2006, 02:59:05 PM
"The system" haha great story my high school team a few years ago tried to run "The system" It is was the worst thing I had ever seen.  You see back in MD in men's high school basketball, well there is no shot clock.  Plus teams in the area are, well much more athletic then my high school.  Teams could slow it down/ beat the press with ease.  Yeah they finished around .500 but they couldn't go a whole game pressing.  I do remeber though there was this one kid Drew Gill and could take two steps across half court and knock it down, but that was about it, nobody else.  I wonder if that kid ever went and played ball somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 20, 2006, 03:05:20 PM
I know that when Maryville played John Carroll several years ago in the NCAA tourney, they played "regular" ball very well and won a tight game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 20, 2006, 03:09:55 PM
The thing is that it did not look like any style of offesive set that I have ever seen before and it was very confusing. It is going to be really interesting to see it in action tonight against to the tough team like CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on December 20, 2006, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 01:50:09 PM
i think cnu has to stay out of foul trouble, hit their 3s, and rebound well.
Rebound-Rebound-Rebound
CNU gets into the "flatfoot" mode and we can't buy a rebound.  So far CNU out-rebounded 1st half tonight 18-29.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:39:49 PM
i must be jinxing these guys. when i logged into the streaming broadcast we were up by 3, now were down by 15. should i not listen? sorry, the answer to that is NO. im listening to this one to the very end. we dont seem to be playing very well (sorry if thats an understatement).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 20, 2006, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 01:50:09 PM
i think cnu has to stay out of foul trouble, hit their 3s, and rebound well.
Rebound-Rebound-Rebound
CNU gets into the "flatfoot" mode and we can't buy a rebound.  So far CNU out-rebounded 1st half tonight 18-29.

youre right, cnu cant seem to get a rebound. and when its all over i bet weve hit a very low 3pt% for the game as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:46:17 PM
18 offensive rebounds for jc (so far)? unforgivable. a sure fire recipe for disaster. jc up by 17 now. korey lewis out of the lineup because of an injury?! NO! say it isnt true!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:48:30 PM
jc by 20. maybe i will stop listening after all. it hurts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:50:12 PM
we seem to be playing NOOOOOOOO defense.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:56:53 PM
the jc jv players are now abusing cnu. the lead is now 27. bye bye. i must have jinxed them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 20, 2006, 07:23:42 PM
Tough loss for the Hornets Monday night. Hope we can rebound against Lycombing tomorrow night (no pun intended).   

Things in the conference really look to be shaping up.  I think that we'll have plenty of comparable teams to discuss the league power ranking once the holidays are over:  especially with our some of our conference teams hitting VWC, H-SC, Guilford and, of course, the 37-game FISK-CNU-GC series.  I'd love to see the Guilford-Averett match-up. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 20, 2006, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:50:12 PM
we seem to be playing NOOOOOOOO defense.


that didnt look like the case the JC kids were all over the place on the boards. They won the battle 52-35 that is where that came from
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 20, 2006, 08:47:32 PM
By the way Gullett, CNU was 5-2 heading into tonight's game, not 4-2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 20, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
Sorry about the delay in answering...

Yes, Snead was a Warwick Raider before hitting Winston-Salem and the NFL.  I believe he is retired somewhere in Fla. (retirees in Florida...now there's a shock... :D

Ralph: Applause.  You nailed it with us.  We count as a NCAA game....everything counts..stats..record...but we are not a full-fledged NCAA member.

As to mensa.....the reason we do not have our schedule up here is that the only site we are officially on is the d3football since we are in the ACFC for football.  The rest of our sports play the independent circuit.  Hence why we have to schedule D2 St. Paul's twice (halleujah we got a W last night)...NAIA Top 10 Mountain State, NAIA Top 20 Voorhees twice...D2 Columbia Union...D2 Francis Marion...played 15th-ranked Averett and #3 VWC...Gboro and Methodist Coll....oops University...sorry Narch...old habit...I go back to CNC days..

Speaking of CN.....Hey Rikki...you enjoy your trip   :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 20, 2006, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 06:46:17 PM
18 offensive rebounds for jc (so far)? unforgivable. a sure fire recipe for disaster. jc up by 17 now. korey lewis out of the lineup because of an injury?! NO! say it isnt true!
Korey Lewis does NOT a 25 pt difference make!

i never implied that lewis out of the lineup caused us to lose by 25 (was that the final?). rather, im really concerned that one of our all-conference players is injured ("NO! say it isnt true").
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 20, 2006, 09:48:13 PM
Tough loss for CNU, just after getting in the top 25.  Well I can't say if I thought CNU was going to lose, but I will say this if you go based on this statistical thing I found called the power precentage.  John Carroll's was higher at 56% and CNU was at 54.5%.  Either way it should have been a high scoring game.  I think it should have been closer though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 20, 2006, 01:50:09 PM
i think cnu has to stay out of foul trouble, hit their 3s, and rebound well.
1 out of 3 doesnt cut it. no one had more than 3 fouls, but we hit just 26% on 3s and were beat on the boards by 17.

attendance 70?! if a team falls in an empty gym and no one sees it, is it still a loss?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 20, 2006, 10:11:49 PM
I tell you, both games here tonight were very sloppy. The GC game was the same way except for the Pride came out ontop. The Pride will have to play much better tommorw to get by a scrappy JC team. So tommorow is going to be a big day for both USA South teams to inprove.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 20, 2006, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on December 20, 2006, 10:11:49 PM
I tell you, both games here tonight were very sloppy. The GC game was the same way except for the Pride came out ontop. The Pride will have to play much better tommorw  to get by a scrappy JC team. So tommorow is going to be a big day for both USA South teams to inprove.

wow...your keyboard must be really mad at you :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 20, 2006, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: narch on December 20, 2006, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on December 20, 2006, 10:11:49 PM
I tell you, both games here tonight were very sloppy. The GC game was the same way except for the Pride came out ontop. The Pride will have to play much better tommorw  to get by a scrappy JC team. So tommorow is going to be a big day for both USA South teams to inprove.

wow...your keyboard must be really mad at you :)


lol....I am just really tierd and didnt pay attention
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 20, 2006, 11:11:31 PM
was there any other action in the USA South tonight other than the games that are in Greensboro.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2006, 12:44:22 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/04/feb05.htm

JCU wasn't a system team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 21, 2006, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on December 20, 2006, 11:10:02 PM
lol....I am just really tierd and didnt pay attention

man...that keyboard really must have had it in for you last night :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 21, 2006, 08:35:32 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2006, 12:44:22 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/04/feb05.htm

JCU wasn't a system team.

thanks pat...i guess i must have read about the 5 in/5 out substitution and my mind remembered (incorrectly) that they were a system school
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 21, 2006, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: narch on December 21, 2006, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on December 20, 2006, 11:10:02 PM
lol....I am just really tierd and didnt pay attention

man...that keyboard really must have had it in for you last night :)

I was working on about one hr. of sleep so I can see why that is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 21, 2006, 04:05:58 PM
Alright I am going to guess at more games for tonight using the power rankings.

Ohio Wesylean beats Wilmington College

Lycoming beats SU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on December 21, 2006, 07:13:59 PM
20 turnovers...
Is that some sort of record for CNU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 21, 2006, 10:23:39 PM
Pride Win In A Thriller o Improve to 7-1, Here is the story

-GC 66, John Carroll 63

GREENSBORO, N.C. Lynn Bright's two free throws and a big defensive play from Bryant Camp led Greensboro College (7-1) to a 66-63 victory over John Carroll University at Hanes Gymnasium on Thursday night.

Birght converted two free throws with six seconds left to give GC a 65-63 lead. JCU's Pete Moran then went hard to the basket where he met Camp, who took the charge with one second left. Adam Nicholson (20 points on 8-of-15 shooting) made one free throw but missed the second. Derek Smith then hurled the rebound 90 feet, but the ball hit the backboard..

With 1:09 left in the game, a layup by the Blue Streaks' Chris Day knotted the game at 61-61. Greensboro avenged a turnover at its own end by forcing a turnover and subsequent foul by Day to give Bright his opportunity from the line. Bright scored 19 points in the contest, connecting on 7-of-8 from the charity stripe, tied for a team-high seven rebounds.

The Pride led 29-28 at the break. For the game GC shot 43 percent (26-60) to 40-percent for the Blue Streaks (21-53).GC was out-rebounded, 41-33, for the first time this year.

Brandon Mimes scored a game-high 21 points along with Terry Walsh's 11 points (10 rebounds) to lead John Carroll from the field. Day added 10 rebounds to provide a solid middle for the Blue Streaks (7-4).

The Pride's 7-1 mark to start the season matches the program best set in 1993-94.

Box Score:
http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/mb2006-07/GCM1221.HTM

GC record 7-1; Streak W4; Up next vs. Oswego State @CNU, 12/29, 5 p.m.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 21, 2006, 10:55:53 PM
Congratulations to the Pride.  Lots of dynamics here with Greensboro now 7-1 with another win over a quality program which, by the way, defeated CNU by 20 or so last night.  Interesting that Greensboro's only loss is to 7-0 crosstown-rival Guilford.  I'm glad both schools are having good seasons!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 21, 2006, 11:42:20 PM
nice win for the pride tonight...maybe that power index is wrong (having cnu above gc :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 21, 2006, 11:49:38 PM
nova-

I really think your Guilford team is a very underated team.  At least you can continue to hope for that as the season gets rolling for you in the ODAC.  When does VA Wesleyan come to town.  I might have to wander over there for that game.

haha Narch-
I can tell you now without re-computing the numbers GC is ahead of CNU just like they were last week. (I did yeasterdays game and GC moved ahead)  We will see what it looks like next tuesday.  (I am not going to wait until the night before crunch the numbers.)  What impresses me more is GC hadn't played a game for quite a while leading up to this weekend.

Of note #2 Amherst is better then #1 Wooster by .2 points when both teams were 8-0.

my picks tonight: SU did lose like I predicted.  Ohio Wesylean had a potential game tying 3 rim out with :03 seconds left.  I think that one got away from me.  I really thought OW was going to win.  I bet Wilmington had a good shooting night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 21, 2006, 11:56:39 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 21, 2006, 11:49:38 PM
nova-

I really think your Guilford team is a very underated team.  At least you can continue to hope for that as the season gets rolling for you in the ODAC.  When does VA Wesleyan come to town.  I might have to wander over there for that game.

haha Narch-
I can tell you know without re-computing the numbers GC is ahead of CNU just like they were last week. (I did yeasterdays game and GC moved ahead)  We will see what it looks like next tuesday.  (I am not going to wait until the night before crunch the numbers.)  What impresses me more is GC hadn't played a game for quite a while leading up to this weekend.

Of note #2 Amherst is better then #1 Wooster by .2 points when both teams were 8-0.
Some of the comparative scores are starting to look good, but you have to prove it on the court.  Tough four game road stretch coming for the Quakers, including VWC on Jan. 7.  The Marlins make a return trip to Guilford at 2 pm on Jan. 28.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 21, 2006, 11:59:00 PM
just saw the fisky's got the best of cnu by 1 tonight...doh
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 22, 2006, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 21, 2006, 11:56:39 PM

Some of the comparative scores are starting to look good, but you have to prove it on the court.  Tough four game road stretch coming for the Quakers, including VWC on Jan. 7.  The Marlins make a return trip to Guilford at 2 pm on Jan. 28.

Late in the season back at Guilford.  I really hope that game has some type of contention behind it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 22, 2006, 12:39:23 AM
Listened to a lot of the CNU game tonight, narch. The capts were out of sync again (JC did a great job of that Wed. too.). I dont know what the deal is. Sounds like they arent getting the best of their talent. I know Korey Lewis didnt play Wed and he wasnt the difference, that's for sure. Would he have grabbed a few boards as to not allow them to get that many second and third chance opportunities, maybe, but not enough to cover the difference. Davon sounded like he was off. I went back to the box and noticed he only played seven minutes in the second half and wasnt on the floor at the end. Oh well, hopefully it will be a wake up call since they have Fisk again in their very next game next Friday. GC takes on Osweego at 500 and Fisk plays CNU at 730. Then its GC vs. Fisk on Saturday at 330 and CNU vs. Osweego at 6.
If I dont get back on here before then, I hope everyone has a safe, fun and exciting Holiday!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 22, 2006, 11:08:11 AM
I am sooo surprised at Fisk's win versus CNU because this year's Fisk team is not as talented as last year's team.  I am sure CNU will seek revenge in a few days at their place...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 22, 2006, 12:02:59 PM
Wilburt:

Congratulations and I am glad to hear from you.  Historically, at least under Dr. Glover, Fisk has played hard and aggressively and had big and quick players.  Is that still the style? 

 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 22, 2006, 12:26:18 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 22, 2006, 12:07:23 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 22, 2006, 12:39:23 AM
Listened to a lot of the CNU game tonight, narch. The capts were out of sync again (JC did a great job of that Wed. too.). I dont know what the deal is. Sounds like they arent getting the best of their talent. I know Korey Lewis didnt play Wed and he wasnt the difference, that's for sure. Would he have grabbed a few boards as to not allow them to get that many second and third chance opportunities, maybe, but not enough to cover the difference. Davon sounded like he was off. I went back to the box and noticed he only played seven minutes in the second half and wasnt on the floor at the end. Oh well, hopefully it will be a wake up call since they have Fisk again in their very next game next Friday. GC takes on Osweego at 500 and Fisk plays CNU at 730. Then its GC vs. Fisk on Saturday at 330 and CNU vs. Osweego at 6.
If I dont get back on here before then, I hope everyone has a safe, fun and exciting Holiday!!
RikkI-Tikki...Anyone!
Tell me if I'm smoking crack here but this is my take on the CNU state of affairs.
I see a very talented bunch of kids who lack motivation...  I see it every time they are introduced at a home game and the lethargic manner in which they come out.  I've seen the most talented fighter pilots in the world perform poorly in missions they were not mentally prepared/motivated to perform.  Someone/something needs to motivate these fellas to come out on fire every game.  CNU returned 5 of the 1st 6 players in last years rotation, and 4/5 starters.  It's definately not an issue of talent.  Thoughts?

One word for it...COMPLACENCY...Maybe the results of games knocks them out of it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 22, 2006, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 22, 2006, 12:02:59 PM
Wilburt:

Congratulations and I am glad to hear from you.  Historically, at least under Dr. Glover, Fisk has played hard and aggressively and had big and quick players.  Is that still the style? 


HI Doug and Narch.  Fisk's new Coach is Robert Moore '72 (Glover's top assistant last year).  I saw the Bulldogs play twice this season and we are no where near the talent level of last year's team.  With that said, this year's team seems to have better chemistry than last year's Fisk team.  I provided a link below to the recap of the game against D1 Lipscomb.  Fisk led at halftime and half of the second period before we just ran out of gas at the end.  Otherwise, we may have defeated a D1 team for the 3rd time in 5 years!  But a .500 record is what I would expect from this Fisk team at the end of the year despite defeating the 25th ranked team in the nation on a neutral court! 

http://lipscombsports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/112506aaa.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 25, 2006, 07:21:26 PM
Congrats, Wilburt.  Nice win over CNU.

Merry Xmas.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 09:45:38 AM
Here are the Week 5 power rankings.  Ferrum makes a big jump this week. No it doesn't have anything to do with them being on the Today Show. (Which ever it was.)

Week 5 Power Rankings

Averett
Greensboro
CNU
Ferrum
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Shenadoah

CNU lost two games in Greensboro no way they maintain that #2 spot.  Ferrum did win 2 games last week, the 2 wins doesn't push 6-4 Ferrum above 5-4 CNU. More games this week should shuffle the rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 26, 2006, 10:26:23 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 09:45:38 AM
Here are the Week 5 power rankings.  Ferrum makes a big jump this week. No it doesn't have anything to do with them being on the Today Show. (Which ever it was.)

Week 5 Power Rankings

Averett
Greensboro
CNU
Ferrum
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Shenadoah

CNU lost two games in Greensboro no way they maintain that #2 spot.  Ferrum did win 2 games last week, the 2 wins doesn't push 6-4 Ferrum above 5-4 CNU. More games this week should shuffle the rankings.


so ferrum wins 2 games against 1-8 teams and jumps over mu, who also went 2-0 (against a 5-4 randy mac and a 2-7 gettysburg) AND idle ncwc?

your rankings are either seriously flawed or you are letting personal bias enter into the equation

here are your week 4 rankings, to recap

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 19, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
Week 4 Power Rankings
Averett
CNU
Greensboro
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Ferrum
Shenadoah
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella on December 26, 2006, 02:21:16 PM
Observations from the CNU debacle this past week.  I was in attendance for both games.  While Korey Lewis' absence was not the main reason we lost that game it was a huge contributor.   The Captains were up most of the first half, but when Blasingame picked up his second foul with over 9 minutes to go in the half he went to the bench for the remainder of the half.  It would have been nice to have had Lewis' big body under the basket.  That's pretty much when the rebounding went south and we never recovered.  It was painful to watch JC get rebound after rebound....sometimes a third or fourth chance.  Read the play by play at the end of the first half....we simply were NOT blocking out!   Second half was ugly and disappointing.  I'm not sure why we did not go inside more when our guards were building a brick house of monumental proportions!  Mark – especially Mark and Ed never seemed to get into the flow.   Lastly, you could tell CJ was frustrated from the point not getting the team into the offense....seemed to be somewhat of a theme both days—to much freelancing! 

Fisk, again frustrating.  The big guys up front played fairly well and for periods of time we took advantage of our height.  Guard play again was substandard to what CNU fans expect and I know from conversations much was made over Davon's sitting.  Davon just didn't seem to have his mojo this past week and Theo for the first time looked like a freshman.  No doubt both kids will bounce back this week—they are both to good not to.  We went down by 11 in the second half and then started to comeback, it was nice to see the bounce in our kid's steps for the first time.  For a while it looked like we might bust it open, but we kept shooting ourselves in the foot with turnovers.  And our defense was not especially good in stretches.  However, as bad as we played over the two days it was the striped fellow who snatched potential victory away from the Captains.  If you were listening to the radio Mr. Tomasino probably went nuts on the missed foul call on Donta.   I've seen some bad calls but this was probably worse.  Kid got swatted in the eye and dropped to the floor—no call—uncontested Fisk lay-up to put Fisk up by one.  Ok, I hear you.  One play does not lose a game, but this was simply a horrible, horrible no call.   Then we had two bad turnovers to end the game.  Personal opinion, ball should have been inbounded to one of the big three under the basket.   Fisk players were standing behind both big guys.  Hindsight is truly 20/20. 

I disagree with a lot of things said about this team.  The difference in this year and last is now they are the hunted.  I think they surprised a lot of folks last year; the expectations were much lower—this year MUCH higher.  If anything I think they are having a bit of identity crisis and have to realize they must bring their "A" game every night, because it's a huge knotch in the opposition's belt when they knock off the Captains.  While I think the CNU guards are very good, I believe our real strength is our inside three.  It seems we work outside in—very seldom inside out.  From what I've seen our post players are pretty darn smart about kicking it back out.  Anyway, the next few games will be an indicator of where this team is going.  Personally I think they will go up, much like last year.  Good luck guys, this CNU fan believes in you. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 26, 2006, 05:16:51 PM
This is just to see how people are viewing the season so far, and to see who the mid season favorite is?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 05:24:36 PM
Narch-

Personal bias has nothing to do with it.  I was just pointing out some of the things that happened last week that caused a big jump.  Believe me if I put any personal bias into it I would have MU much higher.  These rankings are based on those statistics as pointed out earlier.  The problem is though MU has only played 6 games.  Again it is early in the season and I know MU will fall in the spot they need to be. The floor precetange for MU is second best in the conference, which will help them in the long run.  FC floor % is worst in the conference which should hurt them in the long run.

Johns Hopkins was or still is 9-0.  d3hoops had them ranked right behind AU.  IMO I think JH is overrated. (That was using game statistics)  they of course have played at the time 3 teams with winning records out of 9 games.  Based on your opinion then you would agree JH is overrated because they haven't played anybody either.

Narch it will balance out over the long run and MU will be right where we both think they should be.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 26, 2006, 05:48:38 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 05:24:36 PM
Personal bias has nothing to do with it. 

then the system is clearly flawed...note i gave 2 options earlier and personal bias was just one of the two

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 05:24:36 PM
The problem is though MU has only played 6 games.

ferrum and mu both played 2 games last week, though, and ferrum jumped mu (and ncwc) despite beating teams who had combined for 2 wins on the season (while the monarchs beat 2 teams that had comined for 7)...any system that allows ferrum to jump over mu (and ncwc, for that matter) under those circumstances is flawed

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 05:24:36 PMJohns Hopkins was or still is 9-0.  d3hoops had them ranked right behind AU.  IMO I think JH is overrated. (That was using game statistics)  they of course have played at the time 3 teams with winning records out of 9 games.  Based on your opinion then you would agree JH is overrated because they haven't played anybody either.

no, i don't have an opinion one way or another on jhu...haven't followed them close enough - but i have faith that those who do (and who vote in the d3hoops.com top 25 poll) know enough about them to rank them within reason
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 26, 2006, 08:59:15 PM
Quote from: cnufella on December 26, 2006, 02:21:16 PM
Personal opinion, ball should have been inbounded to one of the big three under the basket.   Fisk players were standing behind both big guys.  Hindsight is truly 20/20. 
thanks for the recap of the game. i wish i could have seen it, even if we did lose two. i disagree with you on who should be throwing the inbounds passes. in my opinion, the one doing so should be the player that is the best passer on the team, the one that has the best court vision. that player is davon barton. he should throw every inbounds pass in situations other that following a basket by the other team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 09:19:06 PM
Narch-
You may be right but by the end of the season,  It will align itself right.  I already proved that.  JHU plays in a very weak conference and I have been told in the past a weak conference hurts you in the polls. (7 out of 10 teams in that conference have losing records.)

Ferrum played two bad teams in thier last 2 games "maybe" Those two teams combined records against (d3)

Elmira  43-29
SUNY-Maritime 36-24

Methodist won against a good Randolph Macon team and a bad Gettysburg team.
Combined records as above on last two teams for MU

RMC 29-40
Gettysburg 35-39

hmmm....(Narch double check my numbers because I did it real fast without a calculator if you want, but its close) FC played teams that played better competition all year.  Metodist played teams that did play against better competition all year.  FC jumped MU after those two games.  I am telling you it isn't flawed.  I wonder what those records of the MU two teams would be like if they played the schedule that Elmira and SUNY-Martime.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 27, 2006, 08:39:02 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 26, 2006, 09:19:06 PM
I am telling you it isn't flawed.

good research on the opponents-opponents, but it still doesn't convince me...elmira and maritime are NOT good teams...i'd be willing to bet that both would lose to rmc and gettysburg would probably split with them

besides, i don't recall the formula you posted having any concession for opponent record OR opponents-opponents...if it's not in the formula, then how can those records have ANYTHING to do with the rankings?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 27, 2006, 09:37:09 AM
Narch-
I tell you what though.  I got lucky. When I did the research I had no idea it would come out like it did.  Again maybe you are right. Its hard to believe that RMC and Gettsyburg would have the same records that they have if they played the same teams that Elmira and SUNY-Maritime played.  There is nothing in my formula but, I believe it to be hidden within it.  I am basing that on no facts other then this last instance I just pointed out and since points scored and points against are used playing teams and blowing out or playing close games will influence it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 27, 2006, 11:42:56 AM
Those of you interested in the philosophy and finances of D3 athletics will be interested in a series of articles in the Maryville (TN) DailyTimes.  The focus is Maryville and the GSAC they refer quite a bit to other schools in other leagues, including ODAC, SCAC, USASouth, WIAC, and others. Here are links to the first two:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061226/SPORTS/612260319&SearchID=73267240633587

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061227/SPORTS/612270306http://

Each links to a second, related, article.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on December 27, 2006, 12:47:09 PM
Notsa....you might read my statement again....I said, "ball should have been inbounded TO one of the big three under the basket."  Not inbounded BY one of the big three!  The ball was inbounded on the side in our half near mid-court...and was pretty much a parallel inbound pass to Donta.  And I disagree with your statement and believe it's situational.  I might let Davon (he was not on the court against Fisk) take the ball in if there is enough time to get it back to him—since I believe he is our best penetrator.  In this case there were 5.7 seconds ....marginally enough.  Though as the coach on defense in this situation with minimal time and the inbounder unable to move like they can after a made basket I would have put my biggest most athletic kid on Davon and attempt to make him throw it parallel or backwards.  Remember KU / Duke with Laettner made the last second hoop.  What was Pitino's mistake....right, no one on the guy making the inbound pass!   And again, I would have made it the biggest, meanest and most athletic kid I had on the bench!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 27, 2006, 01:28:49 PM
Not too many games going on today but I will make two picks.

Simpson beats Mt Union in a very close game.

Baldwin Wallace beats Linfield in not such a close game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 27, 2006, 04:57:48 PM
Quote from: cnufella1 on December 27, 2006, 12:47:09 PM
Notsa....you might read my statement again....I said, "ball should have been inbounded TO one of the big three under the basket."  Not inbounded BY one of the big three!  The ball was inbounded on the side in our half near mid-court...and was pretty much a parallel inbound pass to Donta.  And I disagree with your statement and believe it's situational.  I might let Davon (he was not on the court against Fisk) take the ball in if there is enough time to get it back to him—since I believe he is our best penetrator.  In this case there were 5.7 seconds ....marginally enough.  Though as the coach on defense in this situation with minimal time and the inbounder unable to move like they can after a made basket I would have put my biggest most athletic kid on Davon and attempt to make him throw it parallel or backwards.  Remember KU / Duke with Laettner made the last second hoop.  What was Pitino's mistake....right, no one on the guy making the inbound pass!   And again, I would have made it the biggest, meanest and most athletic kid I had on the bench!

ok, i did misunderstand the to/from part, but i still think barton should inbounds just about every pass. i agree that hes probably our best penetrator, but penetration isnt the only way to win at the buzzer. because he has the best passing ability, that he is effectively the quarterback of the team, i would want him throwing in those crucial passes. and btw, didnt laetner play like in the real early 90s? i wasnt even in grade school yet. lets talk shane battier and jason williams.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 27, 2006, 05:11:42 PM
narch - I'm thinking about driving down to Fayetteville on Saturday to watch the Quakers and the Monarchs.  Will you be there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 27, 2006, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 27, 2006, 05:11:42 PM
narch - I'm thinking about driving down to Fayetteville on Saturday to watch the Quakers and the Monarchs.  Will you be there?

90% certain at this point...i'll let you know if anything changes!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on December 27, 2006, 05:37:13 PM
Man...you never saw the replay of probably the best last second shot ever!  You can have Shane and Jason....I'll take my UNC bros' anyday.

LOL...AND....just hit me...you want your "quarterback" inbounding the ball...hmmmm????  That makes sense!  This ain't football. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 27, 2006, 06:58:35 PM
duh... i know that "quarterback" is a football position. i was just trying to make a point that the "director of the offense", in basketball and football, the one that makes his money by observing the field of play and passing to the open "receiver", is the most qualified to throw an inbounds "pass". assuming that we are talking about a last second play, which is what cnufella1 was originally talking about, such a play is actually several plays at the same time. the "receivers" are trying to get open and to lose their defenders. the "passer" is trying to get the ball into the hands of the player best able to score. the key to this scenario is that a breakdown by any participant or step in the process means failure. the inbounds pass is just as important as the shot that follows, because without it, that shor wouldnt even occur. basketball (and football) 101.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 27, 2006, 07:03:10 PM
and, actually, i think that i have seen a replay of a play similar to what youre talking about. was it a loooong inbounds pass leading to a turnaround jumper? think about how that would have ended with an average passer ("quarterback") throwing that pass. must have been a pretty good pass.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 27, 2006, 07:11:58 PM
Quote from: cnufella on December 26, 2006, 02:21:16 PM
I disagree with a lot of things said about this team.  The difference in this year and last is now they are the hunted.  I think they surprised a lot of folks last year; the expectations were much lower—this year MUCH higher.  If anything I think they are having a bit of identity crisis and have to realize they must bring their "A" game every night, because it's a huge knotch in the opposition's belt when they knock off the Captains.  While I think the CNU guards are very good, I believe our real strength is our inside three.  It seems we work outside in—very seldom inside out.  From what I've seen our post players are pretty darn smart about kicking it back out.  Anyway, the next few games will be an indicator of where this team is going.  Personally I think they will go up, much like last year.  Good luck guys, this CNU fan believes in you. 

i agree wholeheartedly with most of this, especially the "must bring their "A" game every night" part. but i dont think that our strength is our inside three. you have to admit that these three havent been the most consistent. i think that our guards are absolutely spectacular. one perhaps has skills beyond what we should be seeing at the d3 level and the other has the heart of a lion, with a killer instinct to match. the inside three are very good, and when the entire team plays to their potential i believe we can beat anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 27, 2006, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 27, 2006, 07:11:58 PM
Quote from: cnufella on December 26, 2006, 02:21:16 PM
I disagree with a lot of things said about this team.  The difference in this year and last is now they are the hunted.  I think they surprised a lot of folks last year; the expectations were much lower—this year MUCH higher.  If anything I think they are having a bit of identity crisis and have to realize they must bring their “A” game every night, because it’s a huge knotch in the opposition’s belt when they knock off the Captains.  While I think the CNU guards are very good, I believe our real strength is our inside three.  It seems we work outside in—very seldom inside out.  From what I’ve seen our post players are pretty darn smart about kicking it back out.  Anyway, the next few games will be an indicator of where this team is going.  Personally I think they will go up, much like last year.  Good luck guys, this CNU fan believes in you. 

i agree wholeheartedly with most of this, especially the "must bring their “A” game every night" part. but i dont think that our strength is our inside three. you have to admit that these three havent been the most consistent. i think that our guards are absolutely spectacular. one perhaps has skills beyond what we should be seeing at the d3 level and the other has the heart of a lion, with a killer instinct to match. the inside three are very good, and when the entire team plays to their potential i believe we can beat anyone.

I haven't really been following this and won't after what I say.  I think top to bottom the conference is much better than some may have anticipated. I don't think teams that finished last, last year will finish first this year.  I am not saying that at all.  I think every team will need to bring"A" games when they come to play when conference play starts soon.  I don't know what it is like throughout the conference and CNU.  There are alot of teams from what I am hearing have moderate to drastic changes in starting lineups from last year to last year.  At least that is what it feels like. massey ratings have USASouth 5th amongst all d3 conferences. (ODAC in 6th)

and Narch-
I think the same can apply for my rankings as does massey's
(From the massey website)

"Early season ratings will fluctuate significantly until a sufficient number of games have been played. "
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on December 28, 2006, 01:35:29 AM
Notsa....if you're not familiar with the play....lol....you NEED basketball 101!!!

And your analogy is....hmmm...interesting to say the least....if not somewhat misguided.   So we have 5.7 seconds left the in the game against Fisk.....we are taking in the ball on the sideline almost at half court.  The "play" calls for the ball to be inbounded to the top of the key and you would have Davon our best passer, penetrator, leading scorer make the inbounds pass....makes sense to me...not.  Again, as stated earlier...it's situational.

You will find that in D-III and throughout the USA South most teams strong point are their guards.  That is in no way to slight our guards who are outstanding.  I just believe what can and will set us apart are our three big guys upfront.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 08:52:40 AM
Quote from: cnufella1 on December 28, 2006, 01:35:29 AM
Notsa....if you're not familiar with the play....lol....you NEED basketball 101!!!
so, i guess the answer to my "was it a loooong inbounds pass leading to a turnaround jumper?" question was "no". if not, then i dont know what play youre talking about. how many college basketball plays do you remember from when you were  years old? since i am not a duke or kansas fan there is no reason for me to remember it, assuming i might have seen it in a 'greatest play' segment on espn in subsequent years. since it wasnt a long inbounds pass leading to a turnaround jumper, describe it to me and jog my memory a little bit.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 09:00:12 AM
as to the inbounds pass strategy, we will just have to agree to disagree. ill be watching what coach woolum does when we play nc wes on 1/16. since you get to see way more games than i do, ill have to rely on you to let me know what happens in the games before then. having you recap the last game was great, keep it up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on December 28, 2006, 09:11:20 AM
Notsa....it's really not important and you can find a "zillion" replays via the internet.  The "point" was (and admitted by Pitino--the KY coach) that he should have put someone on the inbounds passer and not given the inbound passer a free field of view. 

As a sidebar....Duke's point guard finished as the NCAA D-I all-time assist leader, you'd probably agree a pretty good quarterback?  Did he make the inbound pass?  That fell to another pretty famous Duke alum.   And now for the rest of the story....have a happy new year.  CNUfella1 is back to watching basketball  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2006, 09:29:22 AM
Quote from: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 09:00:12 AM
as to the inbounds pass strategy, we will just have to agree to disagree. ill be watching what coach woolum does when we play nc wes on 1/16. since you get to see way more games than i do, ill have to rely on you to let me know what happens in the games before then. having you recap the last game was great, keep it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-iq58_oz4

notamensa, I was in a restaurant with friends watching on TV that night, so all the details are firmly etched in my mind.  I fully understand, however, how it was "before your time."  Here's the situation, Duke down in OT to Kentucky with about 2.1 seconds to go.  Grant Hill throws an uncontested 3/4 court pass to Laettner who catches, fakes right, turns left and shoots.  Swish!  Buzzer sounds!  Duke wins 104-103 to go to the Final Four!  "The Shot" won the 1993 ESPY and is regularly replayed on ESPN's Top 25 and other such shows.    This shot is simply indicative of the "do's and don't's" of inbounds strategy, but it is also fun to watch!  :)  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 09:53:26 AM
that IS the play i was thinking about. i dont know why cnufella1 is being so reticent about it. sure looked like a long pass with a turnaround jumper to me. i definitely remember the other duke player falling to the floor. now my basketball education can continue. one thing that struck me watching the link you provided was that once laetner caught the pass, the two guys defending him stopped doing so. one even backed away to let him take the shot unimpeded. that guy must love his own little part in this historic play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 10:32:37 AM
two things, hasanova:

thanks for the link, and WELCOME BACK
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 28, 2006, 11:00:52 AM
Here are links to today's Maryville Daily Times articles on D3 athletics.  These are about the big-small/public-private issues in D3 (1st link) and D3 schools preparation of grads for life's challenges.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270318

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS/612270317
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on December 28, 2006, 12:38:59 PM
Nota (my better half pointed out it's not notsa--sorry)...."reticent"...lol...interesting choice of words..and a interesting judgement made on my behalf.  Actually, I didn't think and wasn't trying to make a big deal at all....all the best and good luck with your future posts.   Like I said I'll go back to doing what I do best....watching and enjoying CNU basketball....and trust me I don't take it "that" serious at all  ;D.  Happy New Year.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 02:11:43 PM
i didnt make a judgement at all, i just dont understand why, when i had correctly identified the historic play you were referring to, you didnt just say so, instead of sending me off to find it on the internet. i have no reason to judge you. in fact, i think that the last comment i made directly to you was one of gratitude for posting your recap of the games that ive been unable to attend. i hope you continue to do so. like my favorite poster on this board says... peace.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2006, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 10:32:37 AM
two things, hasanova:

thanks for the link, and WELCOME BACK
yw & ty
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 06:25:22 PM
hey, i just noticed something. capt-schemer; are you related to justin kraut?.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 28, 2006, 06:27:46 PM
are you, in fact, justin kraut himself?! we have vays of making you talk!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 28, 2006, 06:40:11 PM
Papa Kraut I believe, nota....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 29, 2006, 12:53:33 AM
My Picks for USASouth games tomorrow

CNU over Fisk by around the 7 point range

GC over Oswego close game.  gc wins.

Guilford over Methodist around 8 points

HSU over SU by around 11 point range

Since USASouth doesn't have pick'em contest.  I would be in first place after tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 29, 2006, 08:37:48 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 28, 2006, 08:57:04 PM
[I believe the kids would refer to this forum as "lame".
Too cool for school...or something like that.
maybe most kids, not all.

your e-mail address gave it away, of course. i wonder if cnufella1 is also a captain dad, since he made it to greensboro to see the tournament there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 29, 2006, 08:42:11 AM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on December 28, 2006, 08:54:48 PM
How did you put this together nota?  By reading posting history?
no, but its interesting reading now that we know who you are.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 29, 2006, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 29, 2006, 12:53:33 AM
My Picks for USASouth games tomorrow

CNU over Fisk by around the 7 point range

GC over Oswego close game.  gc wins.

Guilford over Methodist around 8 points

HSU over SU by around 11 point range

Since USASouth doesn't have pick'em contest.  I would be in first place after tomorrow  :)

I think CNU over Fisk by double digits...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 29, 2006, 11:37:27 AM
Here is the link to the fourth and final article in my local newspaper about Division III athletics.  There is a hotlink to a companion article near the beginning of the article.

It is good to see DIII get this much press and too bad it is buried in a small town local paper.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061229/SPORTS/612290323
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 29, 2006, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: wilburt on December 29, 2006, 11:19:47 AM
I think CNU over Fisk by double digits...

I was thinking that too, but I don't have anything on Fisk's season stats. I don't know how many rebounds, TO's, FT%, etc, nothing.  There is/was nothing on the Fisk website to clue me in. What is it I think 4 of Fisk's losses are non d3 teams.  Yeah then they beat #25 CNU and a not so good Fontbonne.  I have to base it on Fisk already beating CNU. (A game CNU should have won.)

nova-
as you know I am a young compared to most of the posters here.  I played the ESPN Scene It game last night and the highlight of Duke-Kentucky 1992 came up.  If I hadn't read what you posted about Grant Hill throwing the pass.  I never would have remebered it.  I have watched the game a couple of times on ESPN classic. I did win that Scene It game 4 out of 5 times last night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 29, 2006, 01:59:06 PM
scottiedoug - thanks for the links...that has been an enjoyable read - you've gotta love the p.r. it generates for m'ville...makes them sound like duke :)

i'm really looking forward to the guilford game...it will be my first chance to see ben strong and caleb kimbrough in person, and i know those 2 are both guys the monarch coaching staff really coveted a few years ago - it will also be my first chance to see jordan snipes in person since he left mu...he's really developed into a heck of a player at guilford - i knew he had a lot of ability when he was a monarch, but he was a frosh playing behind seth thomas and didn't get a lot of burn - he sure seems to be lighting it up at guilford and seems to fit their system very well

i think the monarchs have guards that are big enough and athletic enough to neutralize the quacker perimeter players, especially if lee is fully healthy and can play significant minutes - i'm very concerned about guilford's big guy...he's going to present very real matchup problems for the monarchs - radmanovic isn't a great defender in the post or a strong rebounder, so i'm not sure if he can match up with strong...mcbryde has the ability to be a solid defender/rebounder, but that ability hasn't translated on the court fully at this point (and he's giving up about 5 to 6 inches)...williams and moore are in the 6'4" range and would probably have some difficulty guarding strong, as well...the best post defender for the monarchs is shuford...he's every bit as strong as big ben and more athletic, but at 6'2" that would be an almost impossible matchup - it will be interesting to see how the monarchs play him

should be a great game and a true test for this young monarch squad - i think a win would be a huge dose of confidence for this team, but in my eyes it would also be somewhat unexpected - the thing i'm most excited about is that this game is actually happening...i've followed monarch hoops for 8 or 9 years now, and i've always thought this was a game that should happen every year...maybe this will be the start of a good series/out-of-conference rivalry!  

hope to see you at the game 'nova!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 29, 2006, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: narch on December 29, 2006, 01:59:06 PM
hope to see you at the game 'nova!
narch, I'm looking forward to the game also.  Thanks for your analysis.  I'll see you there.  sludge and muckraker (former moniker is Ms. sludge lol) says they'll be there, too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 29, 2006, 09:50:40 PM
went 2-1 today.  I will say this though, although I didn't expect it to happen it was bound to happen.  SU's Floor % was 50% and HS was at 48%. They had the potential to pull off the upset. I will use the floor % more heavily when I make my picks. A little more then I have been.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 30, 2006, 12:31:55 AM
I guess the traditional approach when you have a matchup problem in the paint is to crowd the big guy and dare the open man (not Snipes!)  to beat you.  Guilford's approach this year has been "We can work with an open man.  And while we're at it, how deep is your bench?"

I know the outcome of every game is hugely based on effort, though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 30, 2006, 08:56:05 AM
rtt, cnufella, schemer, cnu85

how about posting your thoughts about the game last night. i read what was on the cnu website, but id like to read your impressions of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on December 30, 2006, 11:13:22 AM
Nota......I really don't know what to say....this is a tough one to wrap arms around.  We were up by as much as 22 in the first half...fell all the way down to, I think 4 in second half.  Fisk is a scrappy team...but CJ talked about the defense on the radio after the game.....it was not very good....but looking at the box score they only shot 36%.   He could be referencing the 19 offensive rebounds Fisk grabbed.   It was nice to see Davon comeback and have a good game....and Donta was his usual tough self.  I was actually surprised to see he only shot 4-11...but the shots he did make were at critical junctures during the game.   Blasingame had a big night on the glass and Lewis continues to shoot well...Ed did not have a good night from the floor, but played solid the last 7 minutes of the game...it would be nice to see your inside guys step it up a bit defensively when Blasingame goes to the bench....Fisk was getting to the rim WAY to easy when he went out.  While we have solid backcourt players coming off the bench with Baker, Kraut, and Duke....it would be nice to have a Coleman and Claxton to come off the bench to beef up our inside toughness.  Spears I believe is injured....be nice to get him back in uniform.   Not sure if Santa delivered any post help for Christmas, guess we'll find out next week.  So from my humble perspective we're not playing with some of that swagger we displayed earlier in the season against VWC and RMC....let's hope we get it back beginning today against a tough Oswego team. 

LOL...see the Capt beat me to the punch...and to am surprised Justin is not on the floor more....while I know he can shoot, I think his mental toughness on defense would be much appreciated addition. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on December 30, 2006, 11:58:02 AM
Here's a link on the Fisk-CNU game last night.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-17500sy0dec30,0,3986972.story
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 30, 2006, 12:08:48 PM
To me, they just as a team, arent playing as well as they should be defensively. This is not a typical CNU team in that they give up almost 80 points per game. They are relying way too much on their offensive ability to carry them when we all know there is a lot of talent on the defensive end. I dont think they will end up adding anyone either, just a weird feeling I guess. Im sure with the tough academic standards in place now, it might be even more difficult to add a body mid-season. I just wish they would play harder and smarter on the defensive end and the rest will and should fall in to place.

Fisk is definitely a scappy bunch. If the Pillow kid, who had a good game against CNU last week, hadn't fouled out with 1045 to go in the game, what would the outcome have been? I think it would have definitely ended up a lot closer than 12 points, that's for sure. To me, it looks as if they are coasting through the motions and they honestly look like the 4th or 5th best team in the conference. G'boro has some players and Coach G has gone out and done a great job recruiting some talent. I caught the last 10 mins or so of the G'boro/Oswego game last night and was told that Oswego was up 9 at the break and went back and read the box. Oswego is tough and will definitely pose a challenge to the CNU defense tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2006, 09:22:54 PM
great game in the riddle center today - the quackers took the monarchs 108-102 in double ot - as i suspected, the monarchs had a difficult time matching up with strong, who had 41 and 17 rebounds...he's an outstanding player and i wouldn't be surprised to see him garner some serious individual accolades on a national level before his career is over - the monarchs did a great job smothering snipes and holding him to just 9 points in his riddle center return...jordan looked like he may have been pressing a little and threw up some crazy shots - kimbrough was very impressive...a tough, scrappy little pg who made some big shots when his team needed them - guilford is a very good team

i think the monarchs have a LOT of potential, though - they took everything guilford threw at them, and kept fighting and scrapping - guilford took a big lead in the 1st half leading 30-13 at one point, but the monarchs fought back - in the second half, guilford had as much as a 13 point lead, and kept between a 7-10 point cushion for most of the half, then the monarchs started pressing, fouling and raining 3's...lehmann hit a huge 3 as time expired in regulation to send it into ot

in the first ot, the monarchs controlled things at the outset, leading by 4 for most of the extra stanza, but snipes hit a big shot to tie it with around 30 seconds left and the monarchs played for a last shot...lehmann got a decent look at a 3 that rimmed out and the monarchs came up with the loose ball out of bounds with 1.9 seconds left...i really thought they would win it with a set play on the inbounds, but the inbound pass got away and we went to ot #2, which guilford thoroughly controlled, scoring the first 12 points (without a monarch time-out, i might add)

individually, the monarchs got an outstanding performance from dragan radmanovic (27 points on 11-18 shooting) - he really played very well offensively, but i was equally impressed by his defensive effort on strong...it may not look like he defended him well on paper, but the monarchs didn't double big ben as much as i thought they would, and dragan really kept good defensive position most of the game...ben just shot over him a lot - ab lehmann was impressive, as well, hitting the clutch 3 and a number of big ft's and scoring 19 points to go with 8 dimes (4 to's) - bascom looked solid, as well, especially from the ft line and played good defense (primarily guarding snipes) - frosh brian pittman came off the bench in the 2nd half and was very impressive, as well - he started the season on the jv, but i think he's on the varsity to stay - he hit a nice 3, was perfect from the field and line and had 10 points and 2 assists in 18 minutes - i was disappointed to see travis mcbryde in street clothes (not sure why...) and lee is obviously not fully healthy right now as he seemed to be limping a bit and didn't have his usual quickness (only played 8 minutes) - the reward for a solid game like this for the monarchs is...a date with the defending national champs and another one of the best post players in the region...

i did like what i saw in the monarchs today, despite a loss...there is a lot of athletic ability, there are a couple of really good shooters and they play hard...that should translate to some wins down the road

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/mcm1230.htm)

'nova - it was good putting a face with a screen-name!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 30, 2006, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: narch on December 30, 2006, 09:22:54 PM
the quackers took the monarchs 108-102 in double ot - as i suspected, the monarchs had a difficult time matching up with strong, who had 41 and 17 rebounds...he's an outstanding player and i wouldn't be surprised to see him garner some serious individual accolades on a national level before his career is over - the monarchs did a great job smothering snipes and holding him to just 9 points in his riddle center return...jordan looked like he may have been pressing a little and threw up some crazy shots - kimbrough was very impressive...a tough, scrappy little pg who made some big shots when his team needed them - guilford is a very good team

i think the monarchs have a LOT of potential, though - they took everything guilford threw at them, and kept fighting and scrapping - guilford took a big lead in the 1st half leading 30-13 at one point, but the monarchs fought back - in the second half, guilford had as much as a 13 point lead, and kept between a 7-10 point cushion for most of the half, then the monarchs started pressing, fouling and raining 3's...lehmann hit a huge 3 as time expired in regulation to send it into ot

in the first ot, the monarchs controlled things at the outset, leading by 4 for most of the extra stanza, but snipes hit a big shot to tie it with around 30 seconds left and the monarchs played for a last shot...lehmann got a decent look at a 3 that rimmed out and the monarchs came up with the loose ball out of bounds with 1.9 seconds left...i really thought they would win it with a set play on the inbounds, but the inbound pass got away and we went to ot #2, which guilford thoroughly controlled, scoring the first 12 points (without a monarch time-out, i might add)

individually, the monarchs got an outstanding performance from dragan radmanovic (27 points on 11-18 shooting) - he really played very well offensively, but i was equally impressed by his defensive effort on strong...it may not look like he defended him well on paper, but the monarchs didn't double big ben as much as i thought they would, and dragan really kept good defensive position most of the game...ben just shot over him a lot - ab lehmann was impressive, as well, hitting the clutch 3 and a number of big ft's and scoring 19 points to go with 8 dimes (4 to's) - bascom looked solid, as well, especially from the ft line and played good defense (primarily guarding snipes) - frosh brian pittman came off the bench in the 2nd half and was very impressive, as well - he started the season on the jv, but i think he's on the varsity to stay - he hit a nice 3, was perfect from the field and line and had 10 points and 2 assists in 18 minutes - i was disappointed to see travis mcbryde in street clothes (not sure why...) and lee is obviously not fully healthy right now as he seemed to be limping a bit and didn't have his usual quickness (only played 8 minutes) - the reward for a solid game like this for the monarchs is...a date with the defending national champs and another one of the best post players in the region...

i did like what i saw in the monarchs today, despite a loss...there is a lot of athletic ability, there are a couple of really good shooters and they play hard...that should translate to some wins down the road

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/mcm1230.htm)

'nova - it was good putting a face with a screen-name!

It was a great game.  The Monarchs showed huge determination, refusing to be beat.  They came within a whisker of beating Guilford in that first OT.  Yeah, lots of ability and looked like good coaching too.  I kept thinking "I can't believe that guy made that shot.  Again".    I hope Monarch fans feel good about the team after that game;  I would - heck, I'm not one, and I do! 

I don't think you saw the typical Snipes today;  in addition to being well defended, he had a bandage on his thumb, and I think it affected his shooting.  A lot of his crazy shots are less crazy, and they drop in.  He kept his cool and sure felt like a valuable Guilford player to me in spite of all that.

I agree with your comments about Strong and Kimbrough. 

Dragan, Lehmann, and Bascom and company gave me the creeps over and over again during the game. (That's a compliment  ;) )

And hey, that's Quakers, not quackers, to you!  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 30, 2006, 10:12:26 PM
only off by 2 pts on the Guilford Methodist Game.  Monarchs have a good team.  Narch the way I would look at it is it took OT to beat the Monarchs.  I think still Guilford is a very underated team, so tough loss to a good team.

Way to go Greensboro.  9-1 what a start.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2006, 10:17:07 PM
sludge - yeah, maybe i should start calling them the quakers since they beat the monarchs in football AND hoops this year....let me think about it....nah, that's no fun

i did feel like snipes had a solid game, despite having a tough shooting night - i didn't realize he had 7 assists until i read the box score, though - he played a solid game on the defensive end, too (which is something he struggled a little with as a monarch :)) - he's a good kid and a class act and i've really enjoyed following his career at guilford, even before "the shot"...speaking of which, the monarchs should have known they needed to defend the length of the court on the inbound pass he threw to strong :)

i'm not sure if this series will continue, but i really hope it does...i'd like to see a good rivalry develope between these 2 teams
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 30, 2006, 10:19:12 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on December 30, 2006, 10:12:26 PM
only off by 2 pts on the Guilford Methodist Game.  Monarchs have a good team.  Narch the way I would look at it is it took OT to beat the Monarchs. 

actually it took 2 ot's :)

and you were closer than you realize - with about 3 seconds left, snipes threw the ball up under the monarch basket thinking time would expire and a monarch player caught it and hit a shot at the buzzer to make it 108-102...but your formula is still flawed :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 31, 2006, 12:36:25 AM
Quote from: narch on December 30, 2006, 09:22:54 PM
'nova - it was good putting a face with a screen-name!

Oh, absolutely.  Same here!  I was very happy to meet you as well.  What a great game! 

When the Monarchs went up by four in OT, I thought they had us and again when MU was holding the ball for the last shot in the 1st OT.  What a clutch shot when Lehmann buried that three to end regulation!  Look what we would have missed if Kimbrough had hit his 2nd FT to make it 81-77.  I was very impressed by MU's team and can see why you won the tournament at RMC.  To add to some of sludge's comments, I think Snipes was off - perhaps due to his hand.  I've seen him put this team on his back and carry them.  Strong was obviously great, but I think Belkoski was just absolutely on fire in the first half.  He had 15 at halftime on what I thought was 6 of 6 shooting (including three 3-pointers).

As you said, GC's bench was down a little today, but adequate.  Strickland was in street clothes behind the bench still recovering from torn ligaments and Sanborn saw the least amount of time I've seen him play.  Of course, part of that may have been Ben's hot hand.  How many coaches would sit a player scoring 41 in a closely contested game?    This was not only a career high in points and rebounds for Strong, but also a career game for Kimbrough (19) and Belkoski (17).  Burge also had double figures with 10.  Snipes was definitely off, but other guys stepped up today.  Even with that said, Snipes finished with 9 and hit the basket to tie it at 89 in the 2nd OT.

Trust me, I consider this a big hurdle and feel lucky to survive.  MU is a very good team and will make some noise.  You have a couple of guys that can definitely play and I love their never quit attitude.  Peace 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 31, 2006, 10:11:01 AM
here is the game story (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=250807) from the fayetteville observer...pretty good article about a great game - i really hope dragan realizes he can do what he did yesterday every night...he could be a legit all-conference type player with the skill set he has
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 31, 2006, 10:39:24 AM
Well I think I've finally calmed down from last night's amazing game in the Free. I dont think it was as exciting as the double OT affair in Fayettenam yesterday, but nevertheless, it was still exciting for us CNU fans.

I was right when saying earlier that Oswego has a ton of talent and could prove to be very dangerous in their respective league this season. That no. 21 kid was unstoppable. He made a ton of drive lay-ups and circus shots. I thought for stretches, the Captains played pretty well on D, then at times it still looked as if they werent sure who was guarding who. The hot hand last night certainly was Ed Riley early. I believe the article said he drained 13 of the first 20 points (or somewhere in that area) to begin the game. He definitely was the reason CNU was still in it. Of course I think everyone held their collective breaths when he play was stopped because Riley was hurt near the end of the first half. But he came out in the second half with his wrist taped and acted as if it didnt faze him, as he finished with 22. Donta Selden also was a force to reckoned with. After a 4-of-10 performance against Fisk, he finished 10-of-13 I think from the floor for 25. Barton only had one point in the first half and finished with 16 I believe.

The one thing I noticed in this game was the dominance on the boards in the favor of Oswego. CNU only had 29 total rebounds for the entire game. Makes me wonder when the last time CNU had less than 30 rebounds in a contest. But when  you shoot 61% in the second half and 54% for the game, you better win. Another thing I noticed was the free throw shooting has suffered a bit as of late. Its funny to watch Coach Woollum stomp his foot after a miss, cant blame him. Especially when CNU was shooting over 80% for much of the year.

Still a tough Wesley team to play on Jan. 6 before they open conference season at Shenandoah on the 10th and NC Wesleyan on the 16th with Piedmont sandwiched in between.

Hope everyone has a fantastic and safe New Year. Most likely see you all in 2007!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on December 31, 2006, 10:50:16 AM
thanks for the post game comments, rtt, and you also schemer and cnufella. it sure sounds like i missed a great game. maybe i should have made the drive. i see that riley was 2/2 on 3s. i will officially stop preaching on here that he shouldnt take them. i still like his inside game better though. was lewis in foul trouble most of the game again? i see that theo had more minutes than he did.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 31, 2006, 12:20:09 PM
Yeah Korey picked up his third and fourth fairly early in the second half and Theo did a nice job and hit a key trey or two to aid in the win. You definitely missed a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Capt-Schemer on December 31, 2006, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 31, 2006, 12:20:09 PM
Yeah Korey picked up his third and fourth fairly early in the second half and Theo did a nice job and hit a key trey or two to aid in the win. You definitely missed a good one.
And the airborne double-pump jumper that Davon made to put CNU up by 2 with 9 ticks remaining sure brought the crowd to their colective feet Rikkiti-Tik (lol).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 31, 2006, 01:39:28 PM
Quote from: narch on December 31, 2006, 10:11:01 AM
here is the game story (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=250807) from the fayetteville observer...pretty good article about a great game - i really hope dragan realizes he can do what he did yesterday every night...he could be a legit all-conference type player with the skill set he has
narch, thanks for posting the story.  Some interesting stuff I didn't know just watching - such as Shuford's situation.  I also didn't realize it had been 12 years since they played.  I remember going to a GC/MU game at Guilford about that time.  Not sure who the player was, but I remember the Monarchs had a starter whose older brother started for Duke.  Maybe it'll come to me or a more knowledgeable poster can help me out.  Good luck to the Monarchs the rest of the season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 01, 2007, 03:58:34 PM
At first I thought I was going to put out my Power Ranking Poll out on Tuesday.  I decided against it since there is no change at the moment.  I will wait until Thursday to do it.  Although the order hasn't changed I will say this the position from 3rd to 4th is 1.11 and at this point that is a big difference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 02, 2007, 02:07:56 PM
it looks like the usasac will take the season series with the odac, regardless of the outcome of the au/gcq game tonight and the mu/vwc game on wednesday (although i'm looking forward to both of these games) - i think these are the only games left to be played between the conferences, and the usasac currently holds an 11-7 lead (unofficially) - averett leads the way with a 4-0 record vs. the odac, but ncwc and ferrum are the only teams that currently have a losing record vs. the odac (the monarchs would finish 1-2 if they lose to vwc)

these next few days should tell us a lot about the usasac (and maybe even the odac) - are guilford and averett as good as their unblemished records would indicate, and which team is better?  are the monarchs a legit contender in the usasac?  has vwc rebounded from a less-than-stellar weekend and righted the ship? is greensboro legit, with a 9-1 start, and can they upend a m'ville team that is an ncaa tournament mainstay?...we'll know more within the next 36 hours, or so....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 02, 2007, 05:24:49 PM
Quote from: notamensa on December 30, 2006, 08:56:05 AM
rtt, cnufella, schemer, cnu85

how about posting your thoughts about the game last night. i read what was on the cnu website, but id like to read your impressions of the game.

no thoughts.....been busy with other stuff lately...missed a few CNU games. This time of year is tough for me....work and home. But it should be a little better now.....for awhile. I've only got one kid involved in activities right now.....so I only have to work my schedule around my daughter's out of town dance competitions and high school gymnastics meets. My son's high school baseball career is over, so no more February 30 degree games!! But, man do I miss watching him play!

I'm not even sure when the next home game is scheduled...yikes...really out of it...gotta get it back.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 02, 2007, 09:03:36 PM
Final from Danville:  Guilford 74, Averett 69.  The Quakers move to 9-0 and the 12th ranked Cougars fall to 9-1.  It was a back and forth affair that was an exciting game throughout.

Unofficially, Snipes 22, Strong 19 (2 in 1st half), Burge 10, Henson 6, Belkoski & Neville 5, Kimbrough 3, Strickland & Sanborn 2.  Three Cougars in double figures: Boor 16, Hagwood 15 & Frazier 10.

Are the Quakers pushing the Top 25 with this win?  Nice road win for sure against a very good Averett team.  Whew!

http://web.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=769
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 02, 2007, 09:21:21 PM
I think there are a lot of voters watching Guilford to see how they do with this tough stretch.

Tue., Jan 2   7:00 pm   at Averett •   W, 74-69       
Sat., Jan 6   2:00 pm   at Randolph-Macon • *           
Sun., Jan 7   2:00 pm   at Virginia Wesleyan • *       

One down, two to go, so to speak...    
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 02, 2007, 09:34:11 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on January 02, 2007, 09:21:21 PM
I think there are a lot of voters watching Guilford to see how they do with this tough stretch.

Tue., Jan 2   7:00 pm   at Averett •   W, 74-69       
Sat., Jan 6   2:00 pm   at Randolph-Macon • *           
Sun., Jan 7   2:00 pm   at Virginia Wesleyan • *       

One down, two to go, so to speak...
Thanks.  It's good to know Guilford is on the radar.  If you keep winning, especially tough games on the road, it has to attract some attention.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 02, 2007, 10:22:32 PM
nova-
I am still rooting for you in a way.  As much as I despise Guilford, I think they are a really underated team.  I saw them play against Greensboro and was impressed.  I hope the pollsters really see it too.

Narch-
that loss for AU does not drop them from the number 1 spot in my power rankings.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 02, 2007, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 02, 2007, 10:22:32 PM
nova-
I am still rooting for you in a way.  As much as I despise Guilford, I think they are a really underated team.  I saw them play against Greensboro and was impressed.  I hope the pollsters really see it too.

Narch-
that loss for AU does not drop them from the number 1 spot in my power rankings.
Pride - I appreciate your backing, but despise is an intense word.  :)  lol  The Quakers have been fortunate to win the last two football games in the series (now 5-5) and (I think) six of the last seven in men's basketball.  In my mind, Guilford and Greensboro have a very healthy respect for each other both academically and athletically.  That intensity, however, just seems to be magnified in football and basketball.  Their mutual respect, their longevity (1837 for Guilford and 1838 for Greensboro), their spirited sports competition and their intracity geographic proximity are the ingredients for a great and sustained rivalry.  When you think about it, it's truly a symbiotic relationship that benefits both schools.  To me, it says good things about both men's basketball programs that Greensboro's sole loss was in OT to undefeated Guilford.  I could tell the Pride were a good team when they met at the Coliseum.  Hopefully, both teams will continue to have stellar seasons!  I hope so!  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 03, 2007, 12:20:22 AM
Been away for the holiday.  Solid weekend for the Hornets at H-SC. Looking forward to the start of conference play next week down in Newport News.   Made it down to CNU last year to catch this game and enjoyed the contest, hopefully a different result this year though... 

We have D-II D&E visting from WV tomorrow night at home, should be a good game. 

Nice win for Guilford, sorry to see Averett lose though - they'll still be ranked.  Interesting to see if GC gets ranked soon.

and Yes, I rocked SU in the poll.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2007, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 02, 2007, 09:03:36 PM
Are the Quakers pushing the Top 25 with this win?

i think so, especially if they can beat rmc...even a close loss to vwc shouldn't keep them out of the top 25, in my opinion, since vwc is currently ranked #8 in the country - that's a great win for the quackers, and it certainly sounds like the game was every bit as exciting as the mu/gcq and gc/gcq games, even without the overtime sessions
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 03, 2007, 09:18:09 AM
Quote from: narch on January 03, 2007, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 02, 2007, 09:03:36 PM
Are the Quakers pushing the Top 25 with this win?

i think so, especially if they can beat rmc...even a close loss to vwc shouldn't keep them out of the top 25, in my opinion, since vwc is currently ranked #8 in the country - that's a great win for the quackers, and it certainly sounds like the game was every bit as exciting as the mu/gcq and gc/gcq games, even without the overtime sessions
Good morning, narch.  Last night's GC/AU game was not considered by voters for this week's Top 25 poll, but will be a factor next week.  I noticed the Quakers got the 28th spot and have steadily increased (3, 14 and now 34) over the past three polls.   As I mentioned earlier, it's hard to ignore them if they keep winning - especially on the road! :) 

Hopefully, the Quakers aren't taking any game for granted.  I sure wouldn't!  After all, RMC has won 7 games, is playing at home and has always proven difficult for Guilford.  The obstacle of playing Virginia Wesleyan at the Batten Center goes without saying.  I have to agree with you, if Guilford wins at least one of these two and plays a tight game in a loss, they're in.  Winning both will be an almost obvious trip to the Top 25, but If they lose both, then I think they're still on the outside of the bubble.  Fingers crossed in Greensboro .... lol

BTW, it was indeed a tightly contested game.  Many lead changes and ties.  Also, Snipes bounced back with 22 after only 9 at Methodist.  Strong also had a good game, especially in the 2nd half.  He finished with 19 points on 9 of 11 from the floor and got his 6th double double with 12 rebounds.  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:39:05 AM
Narch-
Check this out.  I applied my Power Ranking system to the top 3 teams in the polls and thought Ohio Northern was the #1 team followed by Amherst then UW-SP.  I think the the only reason Amherst is 2nd because they haven't lost yet.

Quote from: ScotsFan on January 03, 2007, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: fpc85 on January 03, 2007, 07:53:26 AM
The selection speaks volumes. After reading and commenting the last week, I am dissappointed but not surprised.
Yes it does.  It speaks volumes for playing some tough competition in the nonconference portion of your schedule which Amherst didn't come close to doing. 

Let's look at the opponent's combined winning percentage of the teams in the top 3:

UW-SP's opponents have a combined winning percentage of 0.568.  They also have wins over the current #12, #18, #21 and #25 teams in the d3hoops poll and they are undefeated against d3 competition.

ONU's opponents have an even better combined winning percentage of 0.634 and they have wins vs. the current #4, #7 and #25 teams, but they did suffer what now looks like a very uncharacteristic loss to previously ranked B-W.

And then there's Amherst whose opponents have a stellar combined winning percentage of 0.425?!  Only 2 of their 9 opponents have above 0.500 records?!  Oh and they have beaten the current #21 team in the poll (the only ranked opponent they have faced).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 03, 2007, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 03, 2007, 12:20:22 AM
Been away for the holiday.  Solid weekend for the Hornets at H-SC. Looking forward to the start of conference play next week down in Newport News.   Made it down to CNU last year to catch this game and enjoyed the contest, hopefully a different result this year though... 

We have D-II D&E visting from WV tomorrow night at home, should be a good game. 

Nice win for Guilford, sorry to see Averett lose though - they'll still be ranked.  Interesting to see if GC gets ranked soon.

and Yes, I rocked SU in the poll.

SU-I believe that game next week is in Winchester, if memory serves me correct. Ill be tuning in to that one. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2007, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:39:05 AM
Narch-
Check this out.  I applied my Power Ranking system to the top 3 teams in the polls and thought Ohio Northern was the #1 team followed by Amherst then UW-SP.  I think the the only reason Amherst is 2nd because they haven't lost yet.

that is incredibly exciting news...thanks for sharing...now that i know your flawed formula correctly ordered 0% of the top 3 teams, my life is now officially complete :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 03, 2007, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.
i, too, expected cnu to get no votes this week, but 4 losses is obviously not a complete disqualifier. look at uw-lacrosse. they have 4 losses and they are still in the top 25. i know that there are strength of schedule and competition issues, and there are "quality losses", but if 4 losses should get NO votes, then the fact that uwl got 70 votes is an even greater inconsistency than cnu getting 4, imho.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2007, 04:37:32 PM
umm...the monarchs aren't quite ready to compete on a national level yet...it hurts me to type this, but vwc just handed the monarchs one of the most lopsided losses i can remember, 84-49 - adair is a beast, ton ton is the real deal, vwc is incredibly athletic, and they obviously took out a little post-texas aggression on the monarchs...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 03, 2007, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: narch on January 03, 2007, 04:37:32 PM
umm...the monarchs aren't quite ready to compete on a national level yet...it hurts me to type this, but vwc just handed the monarchs one of the most lopsided losses i can remember, 84-49 - adair is a beast, ton ton is the real deal, vwc is incredibly athletic, and they obviously took out a little post-texas aggression on the monarchs...
wow ... To be honest, I'm not surprised that VWC won, but I didn't expect that margin of victory.  Reading your description tells me the Marlins really came to play.   Hope they cool down some by the weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on January 03, 2007, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 03, 2007, 05:07:46 PM
wow ... To be honest, I'm not surprised that VWC won, but I didn't expect that margin of victory.  Reading your description tells me the Marlins really came to play.   Hope they cool down some by the weekend!

Maybe Emory and Henry will wear them out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 03, 2007, 08:12:48 PM
Just saw one of the craziest endings I've witnessed in 15 years of hoops at Shingleton Gym...   SU knocks off Davis & Elkins at the buzzer - inbounds play with 2 seconds on the clock and Mouktar throws up a prayer from three with a guy in his face and the ball rattles around on the rim for about half an hour...  and goes in.  Great to have a little momentum going into conference play! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 09:52:38 PM
I know Narch won't like where the rankings are right now.  I will say this from 5th to 7th a total of .07 points is the difference in the rankings.  The top 3 spots have a solid lead on the rest of conference.  Here are my week 6 power rankings.

Week 6 Power Rankings
Averett
Greensboro
CNU
Ferrum
Shenadoah
NC Wesleyan
Methodist

Narch-
if Methodist would have scored 7 more points tonight they would have been in 5th. So if you want to say MU is in 5th go ahead and say it because I would say ok.  The numbers are so close.   I like nova was very shocked with the score.  I thought it would have been a closer game as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 03, 2007, 11:33:29 PM
Anybody see Maryville hold Greensboro to 49 and win without much of an outside game?  How did that happen?  Watch out, Narch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 03:43:26 AM
Quote from: notamensa on January 03, 2007, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.
i, too, expected cnu to get no votes this week, but 4 losses is obviously not a complete disqualifier. look at uw-lacrosse. they have 4 losses and they are still in the top 25. i know that there are strength of schedule and competition issues, and there are "quality losses", but if 4 losses should get NO votes, then the fact that uwl got 70 votes is an even greater inconsistency than cnu getting 4, imho.

It's ok -- I doubt he looked at who UW-La Crosse had played when he said that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 04, 2007, 08:18:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 03:43:26 AM
Quote from: notamensa on January 03, 2007, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.
i, too, expected cnu to get no votes this week, but 4 losses is obviously not a complete disqualifier. look at uw-lacrosse. they have 4 losses and they are still in the top 25. i know that there are strength of schedule and competition issues, and there are "quality losses", but if 4 losses should get NO votes, then the fact that uwl got 70 votes is an even greater inconsistency than cnu getting 4, imho.

It's ok -- I doubt he looked at who UW-La Crosse had played when he said that.

No you see the thing is I looked at who CNU played.  You see the difference with UW-La Crosse is they went 3-1 against better competition then CNU who went 2-2 against ok competition since the last poll came out.  4 losses is still too many to have to be ranked this point in the season.  Plus they are already 4-1 in conference play, in a good conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 04, 2007, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 04, 2007, 08:18:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 03:43:26 AM
Quote from: notamensa on January 03, 2007, 04:23:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.
i, too, expected cnu to get no votes this week, but 4 losses is obviously not a complete disqualifier. look at uw-lacrosse. they have 4 losses and they are still in the top 25. i know that there are strength of schedule and competition issues, and there are "quality losses", but if 4 losses should get NO votes, then the fact that uwl got 70 votes is an even greater inconsistency than cnu getting 4, imho.

It's ok -- I doubt he looked at who UW-La Crosse had played when he said that.

No you see the thing is I looked at who CNU played.  You see the difference with UW-La Crosse is they went 3-1 against better competition then CNU who went 2-2 against ok competition since the last poll came out.  4 losses is still too many to have to be ranked this point in the season.  Plus they are already 4-1 in conference play, in a good conference.


If you look at one of the losses of the captains, it was to a 2-9 team. How does that deserve any votes? If you look at UW-Lacrosse they have lost to quality programs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 04, 2007, 11:31:33 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.

Pat what is the format of your voting system and if someone is getting influenced or being bias on thier vote. I am not saying that it is happening but what do you do if it does. It is just something that i have always wondered about the national voteing system.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 02:23:26 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=Top%2025
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 04, 2007, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 04, 2007, 11:31:33 AM
Pat what is the format of your voting system and if someone is getting influenced or being bias on thier vote. I am not saying that it is happening but what do you do if it does. It is just something that i have always wondered about the national voteing system.

can someone familiar with greensboroese please translate this for me  ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 04, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: narch on January 04, 2007, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 04, 2007, 11:31:33 AM
Pat what is the format of your voting system and if someone is getting influenced or being bias on thier vote. I am not saying that it is happening but what do you do if it does. It is just something that i have always wondered about the national voteing system.

can someone familiar with greensboroese please translate this for me  ???

I think I can translate Narch. Gullet wants to know the format for the voting of the top 25. He is wondering what happens if Pat suspects someone who is voting is being biased and what is to be done if they are.

Narch I am not even sure if my translation is right.  Freetranslation.com doesn't have a greensboroese to english dictionary.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 04, 2007, 10:36:47 PM
SU-CNU in Winchester next week (BTW thanks for the location info Riki - SU changed their website recently and I have not quite gotten used to it yet).  Pridesport, I'm curious to what your thoughts are on CNU this year (assuming that you might have caught at least one game with the whole GC-CNU-Fisk series).  Curious how you see them comparing to last year. 

After seeing Averett and GC having such great starts makes it kind of unlucky that the GC-Averett is so early in the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 04, 2007, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 04, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
I think I can translate Narch. Gullet wants to know the format for the voting of the top 25. He is wondering what happens if Pat suspects someone who is voting is being biased and what is to be done if they are.

I kinda figured that was what he meant but the FAQ link is all I'm willing to speak to regarding the poll. Any change in individual voting members would be handled internally.

I value the accuracy of the poll above all else. Just put it that way.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 05, 2007, 09:40:19 AM
Programming note for Averett fans...

D3hoopsNet will be broadcasting this Saturday's Coaches versus Cancer final at York College (Pa.).  If Averett wins this evening, the Cougars would play either York (Pa.) or Hobart. 

Either way, we hope to air an interview with Coach Jimmy Allen to discuss the team's quick start, what it learned from last year's heart breaking season finale and the upcoming conference season.

Parents of players, alumni and fans will be able to access the live free broadcast at www.AllinBroadcasting.com or www.d3hoops.com/audio/ starting at 2:45 PM EST.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 05, 2007, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.

hmm....I agree CNU isn't a top 25 team. But am wondering which part of the post you "Agree" with.....obviously a lot of the folks voting do not agree with the 4 loss issue...look at the record of the #25 team. But then again, that doesn't mean you gave them a vote.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 05, 2007, 12:58:45 PM
WHOA!!!! I'm just getting caught up on posts for the past few days/weeks.......did I just read a post where BBallguy was needed to translate another poster's commments??

What's the world coming to, Narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 05, 2007, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 05, 2007, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 03, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 03, 2007, 10:11:35 AM
AU moves up in the poll.

CNU out and now with 4 votes.  I am sorry I just don't think with 4 losses they should have any votes.  They are probably still a good team they could go 25-4.  I just don't think 4 losses warrant anybody in the top 25, because there are 100's of teams out there right now with 4 losses.

Agreed.

hmm....I agree CNU isn't a top 25 team. But am wondering which part of the post you "Agree" with.....obviously a lot of the folks voting do not agree with the 4 loss issue...look at the record of the #25 team. But then again, that doesn't mean you gave them a vote.

I was only agreeing with the CNU portion of the post.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 05, 2007, 03:19:13 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 05, 2007, 12:58:45 PM.......did I just read a post where BBallguy was needed to translate another poster's commments??

What's the world coming to, Narch?

this site (http://www.armageddononline.org/) needs to add another possible scenario to the mix...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 05, 2007, 04:09:28 PM
Narch shows a dark side.

Pat C - wow ...we just agreed on something!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2007, 09:54:01 AM
2007 has not been kind to the usasac, with only su winning thus far this year - here are 2007 records through friday for the usasac

su: 1-0
gc: 0-1
mu: 0-1
au: 0-2
fc: 0-2
ncwc: 0-2
cnu: 0-0

that makes the usasac a combined 1-8 so far in '07...hopefully the conference can turn things around this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 06, 2007, 11:07:24 AM
Nice front page (sports section) article and photo (Strong shooting over Camp) about both Guilford and Greensboro's good starts to the 2006-07 men's basketball season in today's Greensboro News & Record.  I tried to link it, but they haven't yet updated their website for January 6.  When they do, I will.  There's a lot of buzz on Guilford's campus, so I would expect a nice crowd next Saturday when the Wasps come to town.  Good luck to the Quakers and Pride this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 06, 2007, 11:37:07 AM
Tough game last night against Richard Stockton.  No excuses but we have 2 guards who did not play and McDaniel played his first game after being out with a broken hand.  These things happen and you have to play through them.  Hopefully everyone will  be in good shape starting next week for conference play.  Here's the link to last night's game:

http://www.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=771
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 06, 2007, 12:04:51 PM
averetthoops-who didnt play for you guys?? Pardon me for not going to look at the box, as I really havent had a chance to study the USA South yet, obviously I will need to before next Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 06, 2007, 02:21:48 PM
Rumley and Eubanks sat out and are also not playing today.  They are our point guards even though Eubanks has been playing the 2 in the absence of McDaniel.  I'm listening to the game right now against Hobart and we're down 17 with about 10 minutes to go in the second half.  Hope these guys are back for the Ferrum game on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 06, 2007, 03:25:07 PM
Are they hurt? Or are they suspended for something? Just curious. Weird not seeing those names in the lineup, especially Rumley. I have heard of this kid and his play this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 06, 2007, 03:59:40 PM
Looks like Averett fell to Hobart 73-66.  I think that's 3 in a row.  Hope they get back on the winning track as the USASAC schedule begins next week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2007, 07:30:53 PM
the monarchs got hammered 72-43 today...they're really struggling right now...guilford must have taken everything out of them
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 06, 2007, 08:04:41 PM
Both Rumley and Eubanks have leg injuries.  Interestingly enough, they both are bothered by groin pulls.  I think had the last three games been conference games, they would have played.  They are scheduled to play Wednesday night against Ferrum.

If you look at the stats, Jonathan plays about 22 minutes and Tyler 15 minutes.  With them out, you lose 16 points per night out of your pg spot, 8 assists, 2 steals and what is amazing is almost 10 rebounds.  They are also the #1 and #3 3 pt percentage leaders in the conference.

The guys who filled in for them did a good job, they are just inexperienced. 

Hopefully the tide will turn Wednesday night.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 06, 2007, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 06, 2007, 11:07:24 AM
Nice front page (sports section) article and photo (Strong shooting over Bright) about both Guilford and Greensboro's good starts to the 2006-07 men's basketball season in today's Greensboro News & Record.  I tried to link it, but they haven't yet updated their website for January 6.  When they do, I will.  There's a lot of buzz on Guilford's campus, so I would expect a nice crowd next Saturday when the Wasps come to town.  Good luck to the Quakers and Pride this weekend!



That isnt Bright that is Bryant Camp
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 06, 2007, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 06, 2007, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 06, 2007, 11:07:24 AM
Nice front page (sports section) article and photo (Strong shooting over Bright) about both Guilford and Greensboro's good starts to the 2006-07 men's basketball season in today's Greensboro News & Record.  I tried to link it, but they haven't yet updated their website for January 6.  When they do, I will.  There's a lot of buzz on Guilford's campus, so I would expect a nice crowd next Saturday when the Wasps come to town.  Good luck to the Quakers and Pride this weekend!
That isnt Bright that is Bryant Camp
Sorry, my mistake.  Thanks for the heads up call.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 06, 2007, 11:40:35 PM
Capts win in another wild one, 78-74 over a solid Wesley team.  The Wolverines record was 3-6 coming in and they sure as heck didnt look like a 3-6 team. One thing that did the Capts in was Wesley's 20 points on 20 CNU turnovers, however, the Captains did dominate in the paint, outscoring them something like 56-38. Wesley shot very well from outside of 15 feet. The Captains were just 1-of-8 from long range but were very effective inside, shooting over 50% for the game. Now the real tests begin, as they hit the road Wednesday for the start of conference season at Shenandoah.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 07, 2007, 09:18:49 PM
the monarchs lose their 4th straight, 76-72 to rutgers-newark - lehmann hit 8 3's in the game to set a mu record, but it wasn't enough - the one solice i can take in a 4 game skid is that the teams they've played have been very tough...there aren't many 4 game sequences like this:

guilford: 10-1, vwc: 11-2, defending national champs, catholic: 9-2, rutgers-newark: 10-2...that's a combined 40-7

i hope gc feels the brunt of the monarch frustration on wednesday night :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 08, 2007, 05:04:33 PM

Hey, I read on the blog that there have been a bunch of Averett players missing the last few games.  Any word on how/when they will be back in the line-up?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 08, 2007, 06:32:43 PM
Looking very doubtful for Eubanks.  Rumley could go.  McDaniel should play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 09, 2007, 09:40:20 AM
Man conference season starts tomorrow and its awfully quiet in here.

Capts and Hornets tip tomorrow in Winchester. Those games are usually always wars. I wish I could be there to watch it, guess Ill have to settle for the radio version.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 09, 2007, 10:05:08 AM
Sorry its been a few days.  Its Tuesday though and my Week 7 Power Rankings are out and ready.  Nothing changed too much.

Week 7 Power Rankings
Averett
CNU
Greensboro
Ferrum
Shenadoah
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 09, 2007, 10:12:46 AM
Narch- I would be frustrated too if I was out scored 340-266 in those 4 games.  I think MU is a much better team then they have played in the last 4 games.  Both teams will be frustrated coming into tomorrow.  GC has lost their last two games and I am sure they are frustrated too after the great start they had.  It should be a good game, MU is not an easy place to play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 09, 2007, 01:04:20 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 09, 2007, 10:12:46 AM
Narch- I would be frustrated too if I was out scored 340-266 in those 4 games.  I think MU is a much better team then they have played in the last 4 games.  Both teams will be frustrated coming into tomorrow.  GC has lost their last two games and I am sure they are frustrated too after the great start they had.  It should be a good game, MU is not an easy place to play.

That is really true that it is not a easy place to play at. I have been there for basketball the past two years and will be back there tommorow. Narch---are the students back at Methodist yet other than the players.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 09, 2007, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 09, 2007, 10:12:46 AM
Narch- I would be frustrated too if I was out scored 340-266 in those 4 games. 

as a fan i'd be just as frustrated, maybe more, if they were out scored 340-336 in those games - plus, it's not like they were playing fisk (twice) or huntingdon, or eastern mennonite...they were playing real, big-boy basketball teams, each with 10 or more wins right now

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 09, 2007, 10:12:46 AMI think MU is a much better team then they have played in the last 4 games.

let's not paint such a bleak picture...the monarchs played well in 2 of those games, they just didn't get the w - they pushed guilford to 2 ot's and gave them everything they could handle and they led by as many as 19 before a late game let-down cost them a win against a 10-2 opponent...the two games in the middle weren't so pretty, but we're going to forget about those :)

and i think the word you are looking for is THAN...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 09, 2007, 02:03:10 PM
Nerch- (dona on purposa)

You forgot to mention that Catholic did win the 00-01 national championship, and think they are still pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 09, 2007, 10:20:58 PM
Narch, I feel for you.  Your out of conference schedule is nasty.  SU has had a tough time too; we got hammered by NCAA D1's Radford and Longwood, and ran into that same buzzsaw at Guiford (except you took them to OT). 

I'm always on the fence on that kind of schedule.  I can see that a coach would want to play better competition to get the squad to see a different level, to learn to compete and what it takes...  but on the other hand at the end of the year, I hate to say that what most people see is the W-L records and you might end up digging a hole that you can't get out of. 

Personally I think you guys are doing the right thing, best of luck in the conference (except against the hornets). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 10, 2007, 06:27:18 PM
FINALLY!  Conference hoops start tonight, heading to campus to catch the SU-CNU game in an hour. 

Great way to start off the year, the SU-CNU game is always a great game - regardless of the score.  I know we've only won about 30% of these match-ups over the years, but it is the one game on campus each year that you can count on to be a physical game.  For as long as I can remember it's been a focal point for SU as kind of an informal "rivalry" on the court. I think that's why adding football in 2000 and then having CNU do the same the year after made SU Football so much more enjoyable to follow, because there was already some history from the hardcourt that carried over to Shentel Stadium. Here's to a great game tonight and (I hope) a "W" for the home team...  cheers.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 10, 2007, 10:18:42 PM
cant wait to hear the versions from Fun-chester.  Sounded like a typical SU-CNU shootout.

CNU down 12-0 in the first four minutes and wins 84-81 in OT...

someone check Coach Woollum's heart rate now ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 10, 2007, 10:20:40 PM
monarchs lose their 5th straight - first win for the pride in the riddle center since 99-00
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 10, 2007, 11:19:48 PM
awesome... captains win in winchester! great start to the conference schedule. i was really concerned about this game. if someone that saw it would post their impressions, id really appreciate it. how about it, su97?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 10, 2007, 11:48:57 PM
Quote from: narch on January 10, 2007, 10:20:40 PM
monarchs lose their 5th straight - first win for the pride in the riddle center since 99-00

I tell ya narch that was alot of fun. The pride just came in a played better more physical basketball and walked away with a win. But hats off to MU for not giving up. Now, we shift our minds to Sat. for when to Cougars come to town
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 11, 2007, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: narch on January 10, 2007, 10:20:40 PM
monarchs lose their 5th straight - first win for the pride in the riddle center since 99-00
narch, I saw the score last night.  Here's hoping the Monarchs get back on the winning side soon.  I believe they're a better team than their 4-7 record would indicate.  For what it's worth, the Quakers had a similar stretch last year, starting 4-1 (only loss was to Elon) and then they inexplicably dropped 7 in a row.  After their 4-8 start, Guilford finished 9-6 and led VWC by 9 at the half in the conference semifinals.  Hang in there!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 10:20:20 AM
Narch can add his team to the list now ......Fisk, Huntington, Eastern Mennonite. Goes with his big-boy tears.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2007, 10:23:46 AM
just looked at the box score....Luke Jackson had 5 points and a block in 11 minutes of play. very interesting.....

also - I need to go look at the SU roster....are they small? CNU had 13 blocked shots!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 11, 2007, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 11, 2007, 10:23:46 AM
just looked at the box score....Luke Jackson had 5 points and a block in 11 minutes of play. ery interesting.....

also - I need to go look at the SU roster....are they small? CNU had 13 blocked shots!
I don't think SU has anyone over about 6'5"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 11, 2007, 10:54:15 AM
Good to get back in the win column last night against a very scrappy Ferrum team.   The crowd was great!   Ferrum's bigs did a nice job - I was pretty impressed with them.

Saturday is a huge game against Greensboro.  G'boro is one of my favorite places to watch a game.  Should be loud and exciting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 11, 2007, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 11, 2007, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 11, 2007, 10:23:46 AM
just looked at the box score....Luke Jackson had 5 points and a block in 11 minutes of play. ery interesting.....

also - I need to go look at the SU roster....are they small? CNU had 13 blocked shots!
I don't think SU has anyone over about 6'5"
I don't know much about SU, but what I do know is for a team that lacks the size that you say they lack, they are killer on the glass in relation to the lack of size.  Although I don't think SU will win the conference, I think they are an ok team and will win the more then 1 game in the conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 11, 2007, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 11, 2007, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 11, 2007, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 11, 2007, 10:23:46 AM
just looked at the box score....Luke Jackson had 5 points and a block in 11 minutes of play. ery interesting.....

also - I need to go look at the SU roster....are they small? CNU had 13 blocked shots!
I don't think SU has anyone over about 6'5"
I don't know much about SU, but what I do know is for a team that lacks the size that you say they lack, they are killer on the glass in relation to the lack of size.  Although I don't think SU will win the conference, I think they are an ok team and will win the more then 1 game in the conference this year.
Oh, I'm not implying they're not a decent team.  My post was just a straightforward answer to CNU85's simple question, "Are they small?"  I've seen the Hornets play.  They have some athletes and some leapers, so they can compete quite nicely.  Besides, in my estimation, relatively few DIII's have quality players with lots of height.  Except for isolated cases here and there, most of the tallest guys (say 6'7" and up) with great court skills end up in higher divisions.  That's just the way it is in DIII.   You can't, as the old adage goes, teach height, so taller guys will always be in demand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on January 11, 2007, 12:40:55 PM
Glad to see Averett get back on the win side last night. Congrats
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 11, 2007, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 11, 2007, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 11, 2007, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 11, 2007, 10:23:46 AM
just looked at the box score....Luke Jackson had 5 points and a block in 11 minutes of play. ery interesting.....

also - I need to go look at the SU roster....are they small? CNU had 13 blocked shots!
I don't think SU has anyone over about 6'5"
I don't know much about SU, but what I do know is for a team that lacks the size that you say they lack, they are killer on the glass in relation to the lack of size.  Although I don't think SU will win the conference, I think they are an ok team and will win the more then 1 game in the conference this year.

31 offensive rebounds accounted for 31 or more second chance points for the Hornets last night. It appears the Capts did not do a great job boxing out on the defensive end. Jeremiah Lawrence apparently had a huge game with 28 and 18 (or something like that) with I think more than half of his rebounds coming on the offensive end.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2007, 01:50:11 PM
Good info. Thanks. Iwas just focused on the 13 blocked shots and was assuming a small team...which seems like a good assumption. I think they outrebounded CNU 49-41...so they may be small and get blocked...but they can obviously position themselves for the rebound. I've always felt that CNU is weak in rebounding skills. It's not just the current team, either. It seems to be a trend over the years. Not sure why. I can't remember ever watching a game and not see a ball bounce off the rim and all of the CNU players are outside the key, or even outisde the 3 point line. It happens quite a bit.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2007, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 10:20:20 AM
Narch can add his team to the list now ......Fisk, Huntington, Eastern Mennonite. Goes with his big-boy tears.

i'd prefer to add greensboro to the list of 5 straight quality opponents, if it's alright with you :)

congrats to your team on breaking a 5 game mu winning streak over the pride and a 6 game win streak at the riddle center - it certainly looks like gc is well on pace for their best season in recent memory - the coaching staff has done a fantastic job of blending junior college talent with the existing players and turning around a program that hasn't had a winning season since at least 1998-99 (and maybe before that...i'm not sure since the gc record book does not list team records prior to that season)

i can't recall crying a single tear at any point in time this season or in the past, but if you choose to interpret my pointing out that mu's last 5 opponents are a combined 51-11 and include the defending national champion and a former national champion as crying, i guess i'm guilty as charged - i rather like the way coach smith schedules - i don't think you get better playing bad teams...that being said, i'm not so sure the monarchs are a very good team right now

the potential to be a solid team is there, though, and i still believe that at some point in time this season this team will have a break-through...but i could be wrong and here is why...the usasac as a whole has improved dramatically over the last few years - gone are the days when monarch fans could bank on 2 wins over ferrum, 2 over averett, 2 over gc and hope to split with ncwc, su and cnu...the monarchs might be one of the teams that others are banking on for 2 wins now :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 05:44:37 PM
Some cheese with the whine sir? ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 11, 2007, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 05:44:37 PM
Some cheese with the whine sir? ???
what is this? from what ive observed, narch is the class of this board, and he is definitely not whining (or wining). i am definitely keeping score on this karma thing until i have enough posts under my belt to make my mark, and mr pride1; you are going to take a hit from me when i hit that magic 200 post mark. go ahead and smite me now, cause youre going to take a hit from me very soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 11, 2007, 07:23:04 PM
oops... i meant the NC wesleyan game. a freudian slip, perhaps?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 07:28:18 PM
So
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 11, 2007, 08:24:49 PM
9 for 21 from the free-throw line. That's the game. Not much more to say about that...

Great game to watch though, SU's kids played hard until the final whistle.  We don't match up well when it comes to the height advantage from CNU down low, but our guys didn't give up. JLawrence had a huge game with 28 points, 18 boards and 4 blocks - all against guys who were much taller. He carried us.  It really hurts him to have Onyie out injured (I think OO averages about 15 pts. and 10 rbs per game) but he did everything he could to try and win this one. He did get some help, I don't think it shows well in the boxscore because the 3-point % was pretty low, but LAdams hit three big 3's for us to keep us in it. All-in-all we had looks at the end of regulation and a chance to tie in overtime, our guys just came up a little short. 

As for the Captains, they seemed to just sub in taller guys every two minutes...  By halftime I was waiting for Shaq to go show up. I thought #43 and #45 were impressive on the offensive end.  #43 had a huge wingspan and#45 was pretty strong but they really didn't seem to rebound well.  I was disappointed in #50, thought he played much better against us last year.  Oddly enough, it was #11 who seemed to make the most impact in the game, that kid could play - opened things up and he seemed to hit some key shots even though he didn't have many points at the end of the day.   

CNU is very solid, but I've seen much better squads from them over the years.  Haven't seen Averett play yet, so I really couldn't say who should be at the top for now. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 11, 2007, 08:32:06 PM
Oh, and sorry to have my late post get in the way of the Mensa-Pride1-Narch feud.  Please feel free to proceed to bash each other again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 08:40:24 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 11, 2007, 09:45:42 PM
the year-by-year results of GC MBB can be found on the first page of .pdf record book on the "Record Book and Past Seasons" page. It's listed below. The last wining record was 1994-95...

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/recs.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bosco14 on January 11, 2007, 10:21:19 PM
watch out...bosco is back!
what's hot in USA South competition?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2007, 10:26:13 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 05:44:37 PM
Some cheese with the whine sir? ???

please give me an example of my whining
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2007, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 11, 2007, 08:24:49 PMJLawrence had a huge game with 28 points, 18 boards and 4 blocks - all against guys who were much taller. He carried us.  It really hurts him to have Onyie out injured (I think OO averages about 15 pts. and 10 rbs per game) but he did everything he could to try and win this one.

i really like both of these guys...lawrence is a fantastic player and onyie is a beast...it's too bad that he's missing some time because of injury, especially after missing the conference portion of the season last year - he's a poty caliber player when he's on the court...any idea when he'll return to action?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 11, 2007, 10:39:05 PM
Quote from: narch on January 11, 2007, 10:26:13 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 05:44:37 PM
Some cheese with the whine sir? ???

please give me an example of my whining

Narch-

For once we agree.  I don't think you are whining at all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 12, 2007, 12:35:23 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 11, 2007, 09:45:42 PM
the year-by-year results of GC MBB can be found on the first page of .pdf record book on the "Record Book and Past Seasons" page. It's listed below. The last wining record was 1994-95...

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/recs.pdf

I honestly didn't realize it had been 12 years for the Pride.  By the way, did you spell "winning" with only one "n" to keep up the "whine/wine and cheese" routine?  Funny.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 12, 2007, 08:45:40 AM
Quote from: notamensa on January 11, 2007, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 11, 2007, 05:44:37 PM
Some cheese with the whine sir? ???
what is this? from what ive observed, narch is the class of this board, and he is definitely not whining (or wining). i am definitely keeping score on this karma thing until i have enough posts under my belt to make my mark, and mr pride1; you are going to take a hit from me when i hit that magic 200 post mark. go ahead and smite me now, cause youre going to take a hit from me very soon.
wait a minute... pride1 has a lot fewer posts than i do, i guess hes not smiting anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 12, 2007, 09:33:20 AM
wow
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2007, 02:45:18 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2007, 12:35:23 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 11, 2007, 09:45:42 PM
the year-by-year results of GC MBB can be found on the first page of .pdf record book on the "Record Book and Past Seasons" page. It's listed below. The last wining record was 1994-95...

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/recs.pdf

I honestly didn't realize it had been 12 years for the Pride.  By the way, did you spell "winning" with only one "n" to keep up the "whine/wine and cheese" routine?  Funny.  :)


I guess that i wasnt paying attention to what I was typing
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2007, 02:48:22 AM
Pat when will the new regional rankings come out. I looked and the havent posted any since feb 22 of last year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 13, 2007, 08:52:04 AM
Pat-

I think I can help with Gullett.  Gullett the regional rankings don't come out until the last couple weeks of the season.  Plus you can get them right off the NCAA website once they are released.  I believe they actually have a date when they will be released.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 13, 2007, 08:53:36 AM
Quote from: narch on January 11, 2007, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 11, 2007, 08:24:49 PMJLawrence had a huge game with 28 points, 18 boards and 4 blocks - all against guys who were much taller. He carried us.  It really hurts him to have Onyie out injured (I think OO averages about 15 pts. and 10 rbs per game) but he did everything he could to try and win this one.

i really like both of these guys...lawrence is a fantastic player and onyie is a beast...it's too bad that he's missing some time because of injury, especially after missing the conference portion of the season last year - he's a poty caliber player when he's on the court...any idea when he'll return to action?

According to the Winchester Star, Coach Harris is very doubtful he will return this year and may take a medical redshirt
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 13, 2007, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 13, 2007, 02:45:18 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2007, 12:35:23 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 11, 2007, 09:45:42 PM
the year-by-year results of GC MBB can be found on the first page of .pdf record book on the "Record Book and Past Seasons" page. It's listed below. The last wining record was 1994-95...

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/recs.pdf

I honestly didn't realize it had been 12 years for the Pride.  By the way, did you spell "winning" with only one "n" to keep up the "whine/wine and cheese" routine?  Funny.  :)
I guess that i wasnt paying attention to what I was typing
Hey, I'm only a good-natured kidder, so I didn't mean any harm ... but I guess one of your 200+ post pals thought it was worthy of a smite.  lol  Everyone needs to lighten up.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 13, 2007, 12:09:38 PM
We'll have the rankings here. No need to try to navigate that complicated mess of an NCAA site. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 13, 2007, 12:24:29 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 13, 2007, 08:53:36 AM
Quote from: narch on January 11, 2007, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 11, 2007, 08:24:49 PMJLawrence had a huge game with 28 points, 18 boards and 4 blocks - all against guys who were much taller. He carried us.  It really hurts him to have Onyie out injured (I think OO averages about 15 pts. and 10 rbs per game) but he did everything he could to try and win this one.

i really like both of these guys...lawrence is a fantastic player and onyie is a beast...it's too bad that he's missing some time because of injury, especially after missing the conference portion of the season last year - he's a poty caliber player when he's on the court...any idea when he'll return to action?

According to the Winchester Star, Coach Harris is very doubtful he will return this year and may take a medical redshirt

I think either the Winchester Star or the Northern Virginia Daily had indicated a possibility of him returning by the Averett game.  That the Training Staff would take a look at it then...  Before Christmas they were hoping he would be back for the CNU game, but obviously he was on crutches in the gym...  This is tough news for SU.  Not to take anything away from JLawrence - who has played outstanding for us the last two years, but Onyie (to quote Mr. Narch) is a Beast.  I couldn't have said it better myself. 

Onyie is acctually the variable answer to why SU did not fit into PrideSport's power ranking earlier when it was ran for last year's teams.  With Onyie in the line-up last year the Hornets were 9-2.  Without Onyie, they were something like 2-11. 

Anyways, one guy doesn't make a team, Hornets showed lots of heart against CNU.  I hope that the hornets can rebound from that loss wednesday night down in carolina this weekend.  Has NCWC gone state school yet?  What's the word down there?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 13, 2007, 12:37:02 PM
Quote from: Capt-Schemer on January 12, 2007, 03:03:06 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 11, 2007, 08:24:49 PM
9 for 21 from the free-throw line. That's the game. Not much more to say about that...

Great game to watch though, SU's kids played hard until the final whistle.  We don't match up well when it comes to the height advantage from CNU down low, but our guys didn't give up. JLawrence had a huge game with 28 points, 18 boards and 4 blocks - all against guys who were much taller. He carried us.  It really hurts him to have Onyie out injured (I think OO averages about 15 pts. and 10 rbs per game) but he did everything he could to try and win this one. He did get some help, I don't think it shows well in the boxscore because the 3-point % was pretty low, but LAdams hit three big 3's for us to keep us in it. All-in-all we had looks at the end of regulation and a chance to tie in overtime, our guys just came up a little short. 

As for the Captains, they seemed to just sub in taller guys every two minutes...  By halftime I was waiting for Shaq to go show up. I thought #43 and #45 were impressive on the offensive end.  #43 had a huge wingspan and#45 was pretty strong but they really didn't seem to rebound well.  I was disappointed in #50, thought he played much better against us last year.  Oddly enough, it was #11 who seemed to make the most impact in the game, that kid could play - opened things up and he seemed to hit some key shots even though he didn't have many points at the end of the day.   

CNU is very solid, but I've seen much better squads from them over the years.  Haven't seen Averett play yet, so I really couldn't say who should be at the top for now. 
SU... How was the officiating in this game?  I've heard it was something much less than stellar.

It seemed pretty balanced to me, it didn't seem like one team was called for more fouls than another. I was sitting in the stands with a local HS ref watching the game and he didn't indicate that there were any blatant bonehead calls.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 13, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
Hey SU97.  Trust me, there's some opposition to NCWC becoming a part of the UNC system, so it's just in exploratory stages right now.  If anything happens along those lines, it could take years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2007, 05:11:09 PM
Greensboro leads by 10 by a score 37-27. James Newman has 15 in the first and leading the cougars is Boor with 8
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 13, 2007, 06:11:11 PM
Good win for the Pride tonight.  79-55.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 13, 2007, 07:18:23 PM
With the big win tonight, The Pride move to a record of 11-3 and 2-0 in the conference. I tell you tonight is proberbly the best team effort that i have seen out of the Pride all season and I have been at all but a couple of game. So we need to move on with this win against the Cougars and move on  to our games next week.

WAY TO GO PRIDE GOOD LUCK NEXT WEEK!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 13, 2007, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 13, 2007, 07:18:23 PM
With the big win tonight, The Pride move to a record of 11-3 and 2-0 in the conference. I tell you tonight is proberbly  the best team effort that i have seen out of the Pride all season and I have been at all but a couple of game. So we need to move on with this win against the Cougars and move on  to our games next week.

WAY TO GO PRIDE GOOD LUCK NEXT WEEK!!!!!!

nice win for the pride, but which "proberb" is it that mentions college basketball???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 13, 2007, 10:10:04 PM
the monarchs beat fc 78-73 after being down 18 in the second half...you guys can take me off suicide watch :)

piedmont (which beat cnu tonight) on sunday...i hope they (mu) can make it 2 in row...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 13, 2007, 10:23:34 PM
To let everyone know that follows my power rankings.  I tweaked them up again.  I put my numbers in from the games today.  I didn't like how it added up.  My old way would have kept CNU in second dropping AU all the way down to 3rd.  I couldn't see how the rankings could be valid with CNU only having 9 wins to 10 for AU.  My last tweak added an offense efficiency.  CNU has the best right now at 55% and CNU PPG shows that.  This new tweak was a defense efficiency and CNU is at 44% (the worst in the conference) which does reflect that they give up about the most at OPPG.  The new tweak takes the avg to get an "overall team efficiency" and i multiply it by my raw score.  To get my new rankings.  It looks like teams that are 50% on offense and 50% on defense are around .500 in terms of winning percentage.  I think that makes some sense.  Teams that tilt higher on either side (offense or defesnse) are above .500.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 14, 2007, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 13, 2007, 10:23:34 PM
To let everyone know that follows my power rankings.  I tweaked them up again.  I put my numbers in from the games today.  I didn't like how it added up.  My old way would have kept CNU in second dropping AU all the way down to 3rd.  I couldn't see how the rankings could be valid with CNU only having 9 wins to 10 for AU.  My last tweak added an offense efficiency.  CNU has the best right now at 55% and CNU PPG shows that.  This new tweak was a defense efficiency and CNU is at 44% (the worst in the conference) which does reflect that they give up about the most at OPPG.  The new tweak takes the avg to get an "overall team efficiency" and i multiply it by my raw score.  To get my new rankings.  It looks like teams that are 50% on offense and 50% on defense are around .500 in terms of winning percentage.  I think that makes some sense.  Teams that tilt higher on either side (offense or defesnse) are above .500.



Let me get this straight...

You developed a statistical formula to rank the teams, then you looked at the results and disagreed with the statistical rankings (assumingly, based on your personal assumptions).  So then you tweaked a statistical variable to make the new rankings align similarly with your personal assumptions?

Why not just save yourself the trouble of crunching numbers all day and just publish a "personal assumptions ranking" instead of a "power ranking"?  I think the folks at the Gallup Organization would have issues with your process.

P.S. Narch- proberb...funny stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 12:25:26 AM
ah Leroy-

Here is the thing anyone who has followed my power ranking system knows that a) this is my first year and I still haven't gotten it right  b) the one I have been using actually predicted last year's USASouth standings.  C) if you look at one of my posts about last weeks d3hoops (it might have been the week before) I took the 3 teams that got 1st place votes and the order I thought closely related the competition they played.


I took a closer look at this "overall team efficiency" concept.  The average % follows the higher it is the higher where a team places in conference. (Last years standings)  Again though FC and SU again mess up the concept like before.  I guess those are outliers.  I have no idea.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
I believe the moon most have aligned somwhere, there were quite a few upsets throughout college basketball.  #1 on both D1 sides both lost.  d3hoops main page filled with scores.  Any thoughts on why?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 14, 2007, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
I believe the moon most have aligned somwhere, there were quite a few upsets throughout college basketball.  #1 on both D1 sides both lost.  d3hoops main page filled with scores.  Any thoughts on why?
Conference play (no more East Podunk State Teachers College to pad the schedule), road games (no more "friendly confines" for every game), rivalries (Bates/Amherst, for example), parity (let's see Coach Wooden win 12 now!), raucous crowds (Cameron was a sellout yesterday in Durham for women's hoops), revenge (Duke women remembered Maryland's comeback in last spring's title game), inferiority complex (VPI loves to beat all the traditional ACC schools who snubbed them for so long).  Take your pick!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 14, 2007, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
I believe the moon most have aligned somwhere, there were quite a few upsets throughout college basketball.  #1 on both D1 sides both lost.  d3hoops main page filled with scores.  Any thoughts on why?
Conference play (no more East Podunk State Teachers College to pad the schedule), road games (no more "friendly confines" for every game), rivalries (Bates/Amherst, for example), parity (let's see Coach Wooden win 12 now!), raucous crowds (Cameron was a sellout yesterday in Durham for women's hoops), revenge (Duke women remembered Maryland's comeback in last spring's title game), inferiority complex (VPI loves to beat all the traditional ACC schools who snubbed them for so long).  Take your pick!  :)

I think what you said, anyone fits.  Personally I think the #1's weren't #1's in my book.  I am from MD and have grown up as a MD fan never thought the women were #1 preseason despite having everybody back.  Top 5 yes though.  UNC I don't understand it one bit the only really proven players on that team are Hansbrough and Terry.  I could see in MD's case where they had just about everybody return for the following year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 14, 2007, 12:02:39 PM
cnu fans; why didnt theo baker play last night?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 14, 2007, 12:07:42 PM
From what I was told, Theo was sick. Apparently not as sick as Coach Woollum who missed the whole second half due to flu-like symptoms. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 14, 2007, 12:13:41 PM
It was a strange game to watch. It had an eerie beginning, much like the Shenandoah game where PC scored the first 10 points of the game. They were quick, and exceptional ballhandlers and they didnt always settle for a shot. If they didnt see what they liked, they moved the ball again until they found an open man for an easy bucket, and it worked. Coach Glenn Im sure thinks he undersized but he has to like the way his boys played last night. The Lions just seemed to want it more and CNU looked as though they were going thru the motions. You'd think with the size advantage the Captains had, just like against Shenandoah, they would run whatever plays they could to get it inside to Mark, Ed and Korey. It almost seemed like they wanted to settle for the 14-20 footers instead of anything inside 14 feet. Need to bounce back and win conference game no. 2 on Tuesday and it wont be easy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on January 14, 2007, 12:55:43 PM
Quote from: leroy on January 14, 2007, 12:13:14 AM
Let me get this straight...

You developed a statistical formula to rank the teams, then you looked at the results and disagreed with the statistical rankings (assumingly, based on your personal assumptions).  So then you tweaked a statistical variable to make the new rankings align similarly with your personal assumptions?

P.S. Narch- proberb...funny stuff.

Yeah, this sounds too much like the approach that was proberbly used by the Iraq war justification team.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2007, 04:13:06 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
I believe the moon most have aligned somwhere, there were quite a few upsets throughout college basketball.  #1 on both D1 sides both lost.  d3hoops main page filled with scores.  Any thoughts on why?

Conference play has started and upsets get more likely as the teams are more familiar with each other.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2007, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 12:25:26 AM
ah Leroy-

Here is the thing anyone who has followed my power ranking system knows that a) this is my first year and I still haven't gotten it right  b) the one I have been using actually predicted last year's USASouth standings.  C) if you look at one of my posts about last weeks d3hoops (it might have been the week before) I took the 3 teams that got 1st place votes and the order I thought closely related the competition they played.

ok...let me take these in order
a) you're correct b)how can a power ranking system "predict" a season after it has been played? c) if i remember correctly, your system had very little relation to the relative s.o.s. for the top 3 teams...and don't you think 3 is a pretty small sample size to use when testing this formula?

i'm with leroy...just call it the psbbg rankings and be done with it...no need to crunch numbers, just follow your gut

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 12:25:26 AMI took a closer look at this "overall team efficiency" concept.  The average % follows the higher it is the higher where a team places in conference. (Last years standings)  Again though FC and SU again mess up the concept like before.  I guess those are outliers.  I have no idea.
the highlighted text is the only thing i came even remotely close to understanding, but i think you're dead on it with that statement

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
I believe the moon most have aligned somwhere, there were quite a few upsets throughout college basketball. 
i think the moon is pretty much always aligned SOMEWHERE...we could really be in for it when it gets out of alignment

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 14, 2007, 09:21:20 AMd3hoops main page filled with scores.  Any thoughts on why?
well, one of the reasons that the d3hoops main page was filled with scores is that there are a lot of d3 games played on saturdays, particularly this time of year as most conferences are into the swing of conference games - also, as i'm sure you know, d3hoops.com is "The definitive resource for Division III men's and women's basketball"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2007, 10:12:24 PM
the monarchs beat piedmont 71-55 today - pc took just 2 leads in the first few minutes and played catch-up all day as the monarchs led by as many as 21 in the second half - the monarchs really looked like they were playing with a lot of intensity on the defensive end from the outset of this game and really clamped down on the pc shooters, holding them to 2-22 behind the arc...i'd like them to bottle that effort and intensity every night...they'd be tough to beat if they could - i will say that this was a very tough trip for piedmont - going from demorest to norfolk to fayetteville is not easy, and i'm sure the captains took a lot out of the lions last night, but i think the monarchs defensive intensity was the difference in this game - they played an aggressive match-up zone that really tested pc, made them take rushed or bad shots, forced them into 17 to's and held them to by far their lowest scoring effort of the season - the monarchs got a balanced offensive effort, with all 5 starters scoring double figures while bascom and shuford both got double/doubles - radmanovic did not play...not sure if he's hurt, or if the coaches just didn't like the matchup for him - the monarchs weren't able to keep baldwin off the boards (he had 18 rebs), but they did hold him to 15 points fewer than the captains last night....he's an incredible player and i hope that some folks start to realize what a talent he is on a national level - the pg, green is a really nice player, too...he's quick and really handles the ball well - the mu/pc game is always bitter sweet because i have so much respect for coach glenn...if pc wins, i'm happy for him but upset the monarchs lost and vice versa - i think the monarchs needed this win a little more than the lions did though...it's nice to get 2 in a row after dropping the previous 5...the boys have to bring the A+ game on wednesday if they're going to make it 3 straight

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/mcm0114.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 15, 2007, 11:06:49 AM
Newport News narch!! Please dont lump us in with the "other" schools in Norfolk!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: exmonarchsid on January 15, 2007, 12:03:08 PM
Narch... Two great wins for the Monarchs over the weekend... It puts me thinking back to the 2003-04 season when Methodist was 4-6, lost their conference opener at Greensboro, but proceeded to go 11-2 over the remainder of the conference slate to win the regular season title. Lighting does strike twice! Anyway, what's the latest on a couple of the players... Travis McBride hasn't been in the boxscores over the last five-six games. Is he back in school? What is the latest. Also, why did Radmanovic not play against Piedmont? Since that 27-point game against Guilford, he hasn't done much. I like this Bascom kid - sounds like another coming of Seth Thomas. It should be a good game at Averett tomorrow. By the way, my teams are at UNC-Pembroke on Saturday - the No. 14 women and No. 2 teams in the nation in Division II. All is great here in Hotlanta!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 15, 2007, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 15, 2007, 11:06:49 AM
Newport News narch!! Please dont lump us in with the "other" schools in Norfolk!!
doh...sorry, rtt...NEWPORT NEWS :)

Quote from: exmonarchsid on January 15, 2007, 12:03:08 PM
Narch... Two great wins for the Monarchs over the weekend... It puts me thinking back to the 2003-04 season when Methodist was 4-6, lost their conference opener at Greensboro, but proceeded to go 11-2 over the remainder of the conference slate to win the regular season title. Lighting does strike twice!
that would be great...i'm not banking on it because i think the conference is better overall than it was in 03-04, but stranger things have happened - the wins were nice, primarily because they came after a 5 game losing streak :)

Quote from: exmonarchsid on January 15, 2007, 12:03:08 PMAnyway, what's the latest on a couple of the players... Travis McBride hasn't been in the boxscores over the last five-six games. Is he back in school? What is the latest. Also, why did Radmanovic not play against Piedmont? Since that 27-point game against Guilford, he hasn't done much.
mcbryde won't be back this semester...not sure if it's grades or finances, but he is no longer with the team - i understand he plans to return in the fall, though - as for the situation with dragan, i'm still hunting for info. - he has been very streaky throughout his career and the monarchs will need his offensive production at some point - he was in uniform, and seemed to be getting the guys pumped up...maybe he tweaked something and the coaches held him out since it was a non-conference game...if i get info. i'll share it with you

Quote from: exmonarchsid on January 15, 2007, 12:03:08 PMI like this Bascom kid - sounds like another coming of Seth Thomas.
i do too - he's an outstanding athlete (much more athletic than thomas) and a very good defender, but he's not as good a shooter as seth was...time will tell, but seth didn't put up the kind of numbers that bascom is putting up until his sophomore year...he could be special before all is said and done

good to see you on the board!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 15, 2007, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 13, 2007, 06:11:11 PM
Good win for the Pride tonight.  79-55.

Wow, what a weekend.  I spend all day back and forth from Lowes putting in some time around the house for the wife and it looks like the whole landscape for conference play has turned upside down with the Averett loss...   Did they have all their top players back?


Well, um, actually a pretty nice little Saturday, we're going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 15, 2007, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 13, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
Hey SU97.  Trust me, there's some opposition to NCWC becoming a part of the UNC system, so it's just in exploratory stages right now.  If anything happens along those lines, it could take years.

Thanks Hasanova, we didn't get much info on it this far north of the VA/NC line...

On another note, it looks like regardless of Pridesport's WMD rankings it now looks like a CNU-GC showdown, but it's still early. 

Finally, even though SU took another one in the "L" column over the weekend I will say congrats to POTW JLawrence who had a huge week with something like 50+ points and 30+ rebounds.  Unfortunately I don't think he will have a chance at POTY this year if SU continues to lose...  He's a POTY type player, but I would think the team needs to be in the top three to get the nod.  Not sure if SU can pull that off this year unless some of the outside game steps up. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 16, 2007, 12:07:13 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 15, 2007, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 13, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
Hey SU97.  Trust me, there's some opposition to NCWC becoming a part of the UNC system, so it's just in exploratory stages right now.  If anything happens along those lines, it could take years.

Thanks Hasanova, we didn't get much info on it this far north of the VA/NC line...

On another note, it looks like regardless of Pridesport's WMD rankings it now looks like a CNU-GC showdown, but it's still early. 

Finally, even though SU took another one in the "L" column over the weekend I will say congrats to POTW JLawrence who had a huge week with something like 50+ points and 30+ rebounds.  Unfortunately I don't think he will have a chance at POTY this year if SU continues to lose...  He's a POTY type player, but I would think the team needs to be in the top three to get the nod.  Not sure if SU can pull that off this year unless some of the outside game steps up. 



I haven't looked at his stats, but I am the person that says if a player is putting up the best numbers in the conference no matter where that team finishes they deserve the POTY honors.  It tends to always lean in favor of the top teams though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wincinsider on January 16, 2007, 01:46:25 AM
SU might need to look at making a change like they did for the women's basketball team, make a change and get some new blood in town.

The SU ladies are doing a great job.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 16, 2007, 08:30:36 AM
FYI  The Pride and the Cougars both got a point in this week's Top 25 poll, so that means they got one vote each for #25.  Hopefully, Averett can work their way back up the list after they recover from some injuries and it's a positive start for a good Greensboro team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on January 16, 2007, 10:34:24 AM
wincinsider - what the Hornets really need is a new facility. It must be hard for Coach Harris to lure players to SU. The football and soccer facilities are pretty good, the basketball facility is horrible. Ask Coach Harris sometine to show you the combined conference center and arena that was designed when Dave Dutton was basketball coach and AD. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 16, 2007, 02:11:12 PM
Should be a good game tonight against Methodist.  It is no secret that our guys are still hurt and playing time will be limited.  Really need to win the home contests the rest of the way through.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on January 16, 2007, 03:41:53 PM
Quote from: averetthoops on January 16, 2007, 02:11:12 PM
Should be a good game tonight against Methodist.  It is no secret that our guys are still hurt and playing time will be limited.  Really need to win the home contests the rest of the way through.


What has happened. I don't follow the basketball like I do football, but back during the holiday break Averett was ranked way up there and now I see they have lost 3 or 4 in a row. What in the world?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 16, 2007, 03:51:45 PM
Averett's had some injuries but also ran up against very good Guilford and Greensboro teams.  These games would have been tough even if we had everyone healthy.  But we will see how we do tonight - not time to throw in the towel because a win keeps us in the conference hunt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2007, 09:30:44 PM
monarchs get the "L" against au, 61-58...no stats, just a score

lenny hall goes for 38 points and 12 rebounds @ cnu in a bishops win...haven't seen arrington in any box scores this semester...wonder if he made it back?

no gc/fc result yet...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 16, 2007, 09:38:44 PM
Ferrum won. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 16, 2007, 09:56:43 PM
wow, that was painful. i dont think the captains cared if they won tonight or not. let me correct that; the starters didnt seem to care. the reserves played GREAT in the first half, but didnt even get a chance in the second. i think our guys must be in awe of that #14 guy, because every time he drove to the basket they seemed to take a step backward to watch him. i was sitting and i think im going to have nightmares tonight of him dribbling right at me. maybe were just not very good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 16, 2007, 10:10:37 PM
we were simply outhustled tonight. it seemed like every time we were about to come down with a key rebound, one of the ncw players would get a little piece of it and they would hustle enough to come up with the ball. at the other end, they seemed uncontested. i dont know if there were any bright spots. i take that back; blasingame must have had a dozen blocks. i know this is inconsistent with what ive just written, but im sticking with it. i guess you had to be there. one more thing; why dont we have more plays to free our guys up for treys?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 16, 2007, 10:55:16 PM
Here's the link for tonight's Averett vs. Methodist game - another one down to the wire:

http://www.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=779
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wincinsider on January 17, 2007, 12:51:20 AM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on January 16, 2007, 10:34:24 AM
wincinsider - what the Hornets really need is a new facility. It must be hard for Coach Harris to lure players to SU. The football and soccer facilities are pretty good, the basketball facility is horrible. Ask Coach Harris sometine to show you the combined conference center and arena that was designed when Dave Dutton was basketball coach and AD. 

I have heard that Harris only wants no more than 750 seats so that it always looks sold out.   He and the former women's coach like the old gym.   They felt it gives them a home court advantage.   If the University does not build an athletic center to accomodate at least 3000-3500 fans then they are missing the boat.

Dutton's best team was when Coach Carter left and Dutton inheirted his players and the same would be said for Harris when he took over for Coach Dutton.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 10:26:22 AM

Week 8 Power Rankings

Greensboro
Averett
CNU
NC Wesleyan
Ferrum
Methodist
Shenadoah

Yes I know NCWC is 2-0 in the conference, though they are only 7-7.  I am sure with a better record they would be higher.  I know must of you don't understand this offense and defense efficency, but I tell you which two teams scare me the most NCWC and Ferrum.

I was talking to GCGullett last night I told him from what I just told you that I thought NCWC was going to beat CNU last night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 17, 2007, 01:34:07 PM
I know this is not basketball, but I just calculated my Power Ratings for WWII and the 1980 Olympic hockey games.  I correctly picked both the Allies over the Germans and the USA to win the gold!  With a little more tweaking, I think I can also accurately predict both the year WWII ended and the final score of the gold medal game.  Let me crunch the numbers ....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 17, 2007, 01:41:36 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 10:26:22 AM

Week 8 Power Rankings

Greensboro
Averett
CNU
NC Wesleyan
Ferrum
Methodist
Shenadoah

Yes I know NCWC is 2-0 in the conference, though they are only 7-7.  I am sure with a better record they would be higher.  I know must of you don't understand this offense and defense efficency, but I tell you which two teams scare me the most NCWC and Ferrum.

I was talking to GCGullett last night I told him from what I just told you that I thought NCWC was going to beat CNU last night.


I wish I could believe that. Too bad you didnt post it here.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 17, 2007, 01:42:07 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 17, 2007, 01:34:07 PM
I know this is not basketball, but I just calculated my Power Ratings for WWII and the 1980 Olympic hockey games.  I correctly picked both the Allies over the Germans and the USA to win the gold!  With a little more tweaking, I think I can also accurately predict both the year WWII ended and the final score of the gold medal game.  Let me crunch the numbers ....

LOL
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2007, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 17, 2007, 01:34:07 PM
I know this is not basketball, but I just calculated my Power Ratings for WWII and the 1980 Olympic hockey games.  I correctly picked both the Allies over the Germans and the USA to win the gold!  With a little more tweaking, I think I can also accurately predict both the year WWII ended and the final score of the gold medal game.  Let me crunch the numbers ....

now THAT is some funny stuff, 'nova  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2007, 02:39:27 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 10:26:22 AM

Week 8 Power Rankings

Greensboro
Averett
CNU
NC Wesleyan
Ferrum
Methodist
Shenadoah

Yes I know NCWC is 2-0 in the conference, though they are only 7-7.  I am sure with a better record they would be higher.  I know must of you don't understand this offense and defense efficency, but I tell you which two teams scare me the most NCWC and Ferrum.

I was talking to GCGullett last night I told him from what I just told you that I thought NCWC was going to beat CNU last night.


just so i understand...the monarchs have a 5 wins vs. d3's with a .440 win % (fc has 6 wins vs. d3's with a .337 win %), they have played a MUCH tougher overall schedule than ferrum (.618 opp win % vs. .432 opp win %) and they beat ferrum AT ferrum, yet they aren't as good as the panthers?

and this was determined by FORMULA, not by personal opinion, right? 

i've said it before, i'll say it again...your formula is flawed!

i'm with the mongoose...predictions like the one you made re: ncwc over cnu carry much more weight when you post them instead of say them in private conversations which none of us are privy to - in the future, when your formula calls an upset like that, let us know!

please note the highlights in your quoted post...please see that you fix these errors in future posts :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2007, 04:00:19 PM
here are the NPR (Narch Power Rankings) - I'm not going to alter these rankings because they have MU ranked pretty high :)

here is how I came to these rankings - i looked the following for each conference school - d3 wins and the winning % of the teams beaten, d3 losses and the winning % of the winning team - i then came up with a table and ranked the teams by wins/opp win % and losses/opp win % - then i assigned points


i then subtracted the following

the team with the highest point total is the best in the conference, according to the NPR

here are the rankings:
AU - 19
GC - 15
SU - 11
MU - 10
NCWC -  9
CNU -  7
FC -  0

i might update these after the first half of conference games are over

note the .pdf attachment below if you'd like to view the grid
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:09:49 PM
CNU85 Power rankings:

1. Angelina Jolie
2. Michelob Ultra Amber
3. Michelob Ultra
4. 42" Plasma
5. Leather Recliner in front of 42" Plasma

Nuttin more pwerful than that!!!

Hey - I missed the CNU game last night...good thing....I was in a bad mood last night anyway. But I was able to sneak out my blackberry, find the game stats on the internet and had it next to me at the restaurant!! If my wife had seen it, I really would have been in a bad mood!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2007, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:09:49 PM
CNU85 Power rankings:

1. Angelina Jolie

WAY overrated...

now jessica alba, 'nother story
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
Is CNU leading (near the top) the nation in blocked shots? I see they got another 11 last night. And how can you get that many blocked shots, consistently game after game, and be outrebounded?? Something is not fundamentally right!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2007, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:09:49 PM
CNU85 Power rankings:

1. Angelina Jolie

WAY overrated...

now jessica alba, 'nother story

I'm an old guy.....no such thing as overrated!!!!!! :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:13:53 PM
Narch,

Something for you to do in case you get bored......when was the last time CNU has lost more home games than road games in a season? Under CJ, what's the most number of home losses in a season?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:14:41 PM
Karma for Narch....just because!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:17:42 PM
CNU fans, so far this season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 17, 2007, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
Is CNU leading (near the top) the nation in blocked shots? I see they got another 11 last night. And how can you get that many blocked shots, consistently game after game, and be outrebounded?? Something is not fundamentally right!

Funny you mentioned this, Mr. 85. I went to the ncaa site and noticed they are third in blocks per game for games thru 1/14.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 17, 2007, 01:34:07 PM
I know this is not basketball, but I just calculated my Power Ratings for WWII and the 1980 Olympic hockey games.  I correctly picked both the Allies over the Germans and the USA to win the gold!  With a little more tweaking, I think I can also accurately predict both the year WWII ended and the final score of the gold medal game.  Let me crunch the numbers ....

aahhhh....but the game before the gold medal game was the one to watch!! It was just plain, a miracle!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 17, 2007, 05:34:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 17, 2007, 01:34:07 PM
I know this is not basketball, but I just calculated my Power Ratings for WWII and the 1980 Olympic hockey games.  I correctly picked both the Allies over the Germans and the USA to win the gold!  With a little more tweaking, I think I can also accurately predict both the year WWII ended and the final score of the gold medal game.  Let me crunch the numbers ....
aahhhh....but the game before the gold medal game was the one to watch!! It was just plain, a miracle!
Agreed.  Beating the Russians in the semifinals was truly a "miracle on ice."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:38:58 PM
but they have a problem rebounding!! (CNU, not the hockey team).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2007, 05:10:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:09:49 PM
CNU85 Power rankings:

1. Angelina Jolie

WAY overrated...

now jessica alba, 'nother story

I agree with you on that Narch only on the Angelina Jolie part.  Way underrated would be
Rachael McAdams- star of the movie Red Eye

Narch-

My rankings use solely all season statistics.  I actually posted a top 25 on the top 25 board, using my approach I did get 15 out of 25 d3hoops ranked teams ranked and several in the same spot they have ranked.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 06:24:07 PM
Ok...Narch...I was bored, so I answered my questions...didn't have to go back too far....'03-'04 season.

CNU was 15-11 overall. 10-7 at the Freeman and at one point lost 3 in a row at home. They were 5-4 on the road. That must have been the year I joined this board and wanted to fire everyone!!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 06:27:06 PM
dang....If you count my posts from my first stint on here, I would have over 2,000 nonsensical posts!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on January 17, 2007, 07:10:23 PM
Cannot hold it in any longer!  CNU was terrible last night.  Six points in the first seven minutes and 45 seconds!  NO chemistry.   The rest of the USA South must be thrilled.  Seldon, off the bench and Blasingame were the only two starters who showed any energy in the first half!   The bench played well in the first half; Kraut, Baker, and Jackson played fine.   CJ might be kicking himself a little; the five of Seldon, Blasingame, Lewis, Franklin and Baker built a 72-65 lead with about 8 minutes to go before subbing out the reserves.  Davon and Ed were having an off night.  It was a tough decision, but I don't know.  Everyone was talking about Hall's 38 points, how about leading his team in rebounds with 12!  He's definitely got game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 17, 2007, 07:55:40 PM
No one cares.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 17, 2007, 08:20:29 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
Is CNU leading (near the top) the nation in blocked shots? I see they got another 11 last night. And how can you get that many blocked shots, consistently game after game, and be outrebounded?? Something is not fundamentally right!
im with you on this one. i dont get it either. i saw in the stats for the game that blasingame had 9 blocks alone, and i thought that it was more. if you read my last post, i too had a hard time reconciling all those blocks with the general defensive indifference that they displayed as a team. but the 9 blocks by blasingame were definitely legit. it almost seemed like ncw had no idea that he was going to put it back in their faces if they went in against him.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on January 17, 2007, 08:51:14 PM
pride1fan, I've been to a few games at greensboro; you're about right, "no one cares"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2007, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 17, 2007, 07:55:40 PM
No one cares.

why post then?

is there a reason for your existence (on these boards, of course...who knows why you or anyone else exists otherwise)?

bring something to the table...mis-directed as they may be, at least gullett and basicballguy get conversations started
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 17, 2007, 09:19:53 PM
ok lady
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2007, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 17, 2007, 09:19:53 PM
ok lady

intelligent response...should've expected as much

thanks for your insight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 17, 2007, 09:31:25 PM
You are welcome my lady.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: wincinsider on January 16, 2007, 01:46:25 AM
SU might need to look at making a change like they did for the women's basketball team, make a change and get some new blood in town.

The SU ladies are doing a great job.

Yes SU needs a change - a change in afordability to give the coaches a chance to recruit...  I understand that SU has one of the highest price tags in the state, yet the university's discount rate (scholarship and grant aid) is among the lowest in VA.  It makes the affordability factor a serious question in comparison to other schools in the conference.  This, in addition to the facilities challenges that JWW mentioned earlier make for a tough situation across the board when it comes to recruiting players.  (With, to a degree, the exception of Football - as Shentel is a very nice D-III facility)  At the D-III level I would think that quality recruiting is 50% of the job. The rest is coaching, mentoring, game management and providing a good environment for the young men to grow.

Look, I'm not a coach myself and I don't know the X's and O's of what the team should or should not be doing on the court, but I will say this:  Men's Basketball at SU is one of the few programs at SU that over the past few years is a) competitive in the conference and b) has a winning record 4 out of the past 6 years (since Harris has come on board as HC).  His teams have finished better in the conference than any other program at the school in that timeframe.  I don't think you can say that about any other team recently.  Heck, last year only WSoccer and Baseball even had winning seasons... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
...it looks like I've once again posted in the middle of a fight between GC and CNU folks. 

SU lost tonight to Md. Eastern Shore, I hope they can turn it around this weekend.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:50:47 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2007, 04:00:19 PM
here are the NPR (Narch Power Rankings) - I'm not going to alter these rankings because they have MU ranked pretty high :)

here are the rankings:
AU - 19
GC - 15
SU - 11
MU - 10
NCWC -  9
CNU -  7
FC -  0


I think CNU is better than this relates and NCWC should be a place or two higher.  Although it hurts, SU shouldn't be ranked this high right now.  I haven't seen MU this year, but my earlier formula would have them at 3rd as the Dragan is the coolest name in the league and that might have them just above the Captains...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: wincinsider link=topic=4195.msg654684#msg654684
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I have heard that Harris only wants no more than 750 seats so that it always looks sold out.   He and the former women's coach like the old gym.   They felt it gives them a home court advantage.   If the University does not build an athletic center to accomodate at least 3000-3500 fans then they are missing the boat.


What I've heard indicates a 2,500-3,000 seat gym, one would think the coaches would love that. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 17, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
...it looks like I've once again posted in the middle of a fight between GC and CNU folks. 
it looks like gc/methodist to me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 17, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
...it looks like I've once again posted in the middle of a fight between GC and CNU folks. 
it looks like gc/methodist to me.

I never fight with Methodist or CNU, not here at least.   Only on football we do.  Narch and I never agree on anything, but I would never say we fight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 11:31:38 PM
Quote from: wincinsider on January 17, 2007, 12:51:20 AM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on January 16, 2007, 10:34:24 AM
wincinsider - what the Hornets really need is a new facility. It must be hard for Coach Harris to lure players to SU. The football and soccer facilities are pretty good, the basketball facility is horrible. Ask Coach Harris sometine to show you the combined conference center and arena that was designed when Dave Dutton was basketball coach and AD. 

I have heard that Harris only wants no more than 750 seats so that it always looks sold out.   He and the former women's coach like the old gym.   They felt it gives them a home court advantage.   If the University does not build an athletic center to accomodate at least 3000-3500 fans then they are missing the boat.

Dutton's best team was when Coach Carter left and Dutton inheirted his players and the same would be said for Harris when he took over for Coach Dutton.



I can't speak to the Carter-Dutton era transition, but I see that SU was VERY good back then.  2 NCAA trips, a couple of conference championships.  Later Dutton got the team to the NCAA's in the mid '90's and a tie for the league regular season championship. 

As for the "same would be said for Harris when he took over" comment, I would have to disagree.  When Coach Harris took over he inherited a team that in the previous two years had gone a combined 19-31 with 5th and 4th place conference finishes.  He did inherit Ronald Merriwether (POTY in 01-02), Tyson Thompson and Ted Davis who were strong players in the conference, but from what I heard Harris was instrumental in getting them recruited in the first place. At that time he was the basketball "recruiting coordinater." However, SU's best season under Harris came in 2003-04 after those guys had all graduated.  In 03-04 SU went 10-4 in conf. play and were 16-10 overall.  That team consisted of all-conference player Chris Rhone (G) and a strong line-up of Kennith Purnell (G), Chad Brashears (G), Halston Camp (C) and Onyie O (F), getting them to a 2nd Place finish in the conference.  Those guys were entirely recruited by Harris.  The next year Harris added JLawrence and ended up tied for 3rd. 

Lastly, Harris recruited Phil Dixon and Al White in the early 1990's, arguably two of the best athletes on campus over the past 20 years, regardless of sport, period.  I'd be curious to see what some of the other posters in the conference think of SU baksetball over the past couple of years as far as being competitive in the league?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 17, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
...it looks like I've once again posted in the middle of a fight between GC and CNU folks. 
it looks like gc/methodist to me.

I never fight with Methodist or CNU, not here at least.   Only on football we do.  Narch and I never agree on anything, but I would never say we fight.

Is there a formula for your feud with Narch?  Just kidding...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 17, 2007, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 17, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
...it looks like I've once again posted in the middle of a fight between GC and CNU folks. 
it looks like gc/methodist to me.

I never fight with Methodist or CNU, not here at least.   Only on football we do.  Narch and I never agree on anything, but I would never say we fight.

Is there a formula for your feud with Narch?  Just kidding...

Give me time.  I will come up with one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2007, 08:19:26 AM
su97 - i think coach harris is an outstanding coach, and every time i've heard him speak or read one of his quotes, he seems like a quality individual...i think everyone at su should be proud to have him as a coach and realize that success runs in cycles - su has played the second most difficult d3 schedule in the conference and they are tied for the most wins in the conference against +.500 teams - they've also played a couple of scholarship programs...hornet fans need to be patient with this team and program, because they're in good hands with coach harris

just my .02 as an outsider
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 11:05:10 AM
Actually there is a formula.   Formula for Propensity to Argue (PTA) index = 

[(breathtakingly beautiful and logical sports analysis with no misspelled words) x 100] + [(breathtakingly beautiful and logical sports analysis with misspelled words) x 75] + [(reasonably competent data - correct score, date game was played, etc) X 50] + [(half truths with no real harm - correct score but listed wrong teams or date, for example) X 25] + [(half truth with some harm - had correct winner, but wrong score caused one poster to injure another in over & under betting pool) X 10] + [(thinking but keeping it to yourself) X 7]  + [(saying something, realizing it was wrong and apologizing) X 5] + [(saying something, realizing it was wrong and deleting it) X 3] + [(not thinking or saying anything) X 1]

minus

[(# of out and out lies with profanity) X 10] + [(out and out lies with clean language) X 8] + [(grossly stretching the limits of the truth) X 7] + [(mildly distorted facts) X 5] + [(misinterpretation of correct facts) X 4] + [(incorrectly spelled names of schools, mascots, cities, coaches, gyms and players in USASAC) X 3] + [(incorrectly spelled names of schools, mascots, cities, coaches, gyms and players in other conferences) X 2] + [(other misspelled words and gross grammatical errors) X 1] + [(miscellaneous stupid stuff) x 0.5]

Please note, all values have a 1.5 multiplier when opposing poster is addressing your school.

Proposed rating scale:

500 and over - Please marry my sister!
100 to 499 - Meet me at the game and I'll introduce you to my sister.
1 to 99 - I'll buy you a soda at the game, but only a game my sister doesn't attend.
0 - Do you (and your sister) post?
-1 to -99  - No wonder you (and your sister) attend that school!
-100 to - 499 - I'll give you (and your sister) $10 to please shut up!
-500 and below - Are you dating your sister?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on January 18, 2007, 11:30:34 AM
hasanova + PTA = bizarre!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on January 18, 2007, 11:30:34 AMhasanova + PTA = bizarre!
Good morning, jww.  Just having some fun.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on January 18, 2007, 11:36:52 AM
I know. It's great!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on January 18, 2007, 11:36:52 AMI know. It's great!  :D
Evidently someone doesn't.  I got smited since I posted it.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2007, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 12:31:00 PMEvidently someone doesn't.  I got smited since I posted it.  lol

must be someone who is dating his/her sister
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 18, 2007, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 17, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
...it looks like I've once again posted in the middle of a fight between GC and CNU folks. 
it looks like gc/methodist to me.

Narch is secretly a HUGE CNU fan!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: allsky7 on January 18, 2007, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 11:05:10 AM
Actually there is a formula.   Formula for Propensity to Argue (PTA) index = 

[(breathtakingly beautiful and logical sports analysis with no misspelled words) x 100] + [(breathtakingly beautiful and logical sports analysis with misspelled words) x 75] + [(reasonably competent data - correct score, date game was played, etc) X 50] + [(half truths with no real harm - correct score but listed wrong teams or date, for example) X 25] + [(half truth with some harm - had correct winner, but wrong score caused one poster to injure another in over & under betting pool) X 10] + [(thinking but keeping it to yourself) X 7]  + [(saying something, realizing it was wrong and apologizing) X 5] + [(saying something, realizing it was wrong and deleting it) X 3] + [(not thinking or saying anything) X 1]

minus

[(# of out and out lies with profanity) X 10] + [(out and out lies with clean language) X 8] + [(grossly stretching the limits of the truth) X 7] + [(mildly distorted facts) X 5] + [(misinterpretation of correct facts) X 4] + [(incorrectly spelled names of schools, mascots, cities, coaches, gyms and players in USASAC) X 3] + [(incorrectly spelled names of schools, mascots, cities, coaches, gyms and players in other conferences) X 2] + [(other misspelled words and gross grammatical errors) X 1] + [(miscellaneous stupid stuff) x 0.5]

Please note, all values have a 1.5 multiplier when opposing poster is addressing your school.

Proposed rating scale:

500 and over - Please marry my sister!
100 to 499 - Meet me at the game and I'll introduce you to my sister.
1 to 99 - I'll buy you a soda at the game, but only a game my sister doesn't attend.
0 - Do you (and your sister) post?
-1 to -99  - No wonder you (and your sister) attend that school!
-100 to - 499 - I'll give you (and your sister) $10 to please shut up!
-500 and below - Are you dating your sister?


Hasa......you are a trip man!!! Freakin hillarious!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 18, 2007, 04:28:03 PM
Hasa,

That didn't Rime....ryme...the words didn't sound alike at the end!

what's your sister's name?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 18, 2007, 05:18:22 PM
Hello Narch!  Maryville is coming your way Sat. to complete the Scot sweep of the USASouth teams that still will schedule them.  Although coming over there makes me nervous.  I still cannot decide how good the Scots are.  Sometimes very, sometimes not very, so far.  We have a couple of guys who are playing really well right now whom you have not seen (Bowers and Neal).  Mason can shoot really well or not.  One or both of Golden and Blair will produce inside, if they can get the ball through the zone y'all will probably throw up.  Are you going to be there?  Too far for me.  It will be on the radio/web.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 18, 2007, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on January 18, 2007, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 11:05:10 AM
Actually there is a formula.   Formula for Propensity to Argue (PTA) index = 

[(breathtakingly beautiful and logical sports analysis with no misspelled words) x 100] + [(breathtakingly beautiful and logical sports analysis with misspelled words) x 75] + [(reasonably competent data - correct score, date game was played, etc) X 50] + [(half truths with no real harm - correct score but listed wrong teams or date, for example) X 25] + [(half truth with some harm - had correct winner, but wrong score caused one poster to injure another in over & under betting pool) X 10] + [(thinking but keeping it to yourself) X 7]  + [(saying something, realizing it was wrong and apologizing) X 5] + [(saying something, realizing it was wrong and deleting it) X 3] + [(not thinking or saying anything) X 1]

minus

[(# of out and out lies with profanity) X 10] + [(out and out lies with clean language) X 8] + [(grossly stretching the limits of the truth) X 7] + [(mildly distorted facts) X 5] + [(misinterpretation of correct facts) X 4] + [(incorrectly spelled names of schools, mascots, cities, coaches, gyms and players in USASAC) X 3] + [(incorrectly spelled names of schools, mascots, cities, coaches, gyms and players in other conferences) X 2] + [(other misspelled words and gross grammatical errors) X 1] + [(miscellaneous stupid stuff) x 0.5]

Please note, all values have a 1.5 multiplier when opposing poster is addressing your school.

Proposed rating scale:

500 and over - Please marry my sister!
100 to 499 - Meet me at the game and I'll introduce you to my sister.
1 to 99 - I'll buy you a soda at the game, but only a game my sister doesn't attend.
0 - Do you (and your sister) post?
-1 to -99  - No wonder you (and your sister) attend that school!
-100 to - 499 - I'll give you (and your sister) $10 to please shut up!
-500 and below - Are you dating your sister?


Hasa......you are a trip man!!! Freakin hillarious!!  ;D

Nova-
thats is very funny. I would have given you +1 for it.  I think someone already did.  I got hit hard today.  I made one post in the top 25 and got -2 for it.  I even knew I was going to get it too.  Oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 18, 2007, 04:28:03 PM
Hasa,

That didn't Rime....ryme...the words didn't sound alike at the end!

what's your sister's name?
CNU85, wasn't trying to rhyme a formula, but give me two beers and thirty minutes and I bet I could.  lol  Actually, I have two sisters, but their names won't be printed here.  lol   When they get together with me and our two brothers, we have entertaining conversations.  My family's the best!  Peace

e = mc2

Einstein was thinner, not fatter - 
Between bratwurst and physics, the latter!
Albert's theory declared,
"At speed of light squared,
My energy's gone - does it matter?!"   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 07:50:09 PM
allsky and PSBBG - thanks.  A mind is a terrible thing to waste.  lol  Or is that a waist is a terrible thing to mind?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 18, 2007, 08:37:38 PM
dang it...I had a nice post earlier with good stats ready to go and when I hit the post button, my computer at work locked up. I see it didn't make it. I'll try again tomorrow. Get ready for some analysis narch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 18, 2007, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2007, 07:50:09 PM
allsky and PSBBG - thanks.  A mind is a terrible thing to waste.  lol  Or is that a waist is a terrible thing to mind?  :)

I've always said, "a mind is a terrible thing"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 18, 2007, 08:42:02 PM
ok..can't wait until tomorrow...gonna go look all that stuff up again and try to figure out what I posted earlier...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 18, 2007, 08:54:38 PM
There are 363 d3 teams the NCAA has stat rankings for.....here are some rankings in various areas for CNU:

Offense
scoring offense - 25th
FG % - 22nd
FT % - 14th - pretty good...I remember when it was so bad, Captj could bounce more in!!!!
Assists - 16th (Davon is 3rd in nation in assists)

my interpretation (with not much thought)...a very good offense!

Offensive weakspot - 3 pt shots per game - 304th

Defense
Scoring D - 326th
rebound margin - 216th (blasingame is 15th in nation in rebounds)
steals per game - 362nd (which team is worse????)
blocks - 3rd (Blasingame is 3rd in nation)

Interpretation - Mark Blasingame is the only CNU guy playing D. Maybe that's why we're good on offense....everyone is releasing when the other team shoots and we get transition, fast break points (??). Maybe not, that would involve getting rebounds. Maybe we're quick on the inbounds pass after an opponent score...who usually does that? Blasingame!! CNU plays NBA style ball - "Coach, how do you spell "D"? (which sucks!). Mark needs help from Lewis and Riley. I bet that's why we're seeing a little more of Luke Jackson. We DO NOT have a defense!!!

other stat ... personal fouls - we rank 12th. CNU averages 15 fouls a game...7-8 in a half...barely enough to send the other team into the bonus! We're not aggressive enough, in my opinion....thus the pathetic steals stat. We don't foul, we don't steal the ball, we don't rebound....WE DON'T GO TO THE BALL!!!!!!! When we do happen to get it in our hands we can shoot the rock very well!!!

Narch, Tavi, Schemer - what are your thoughts on all this????










Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 18, 2007, 10:08:09 PM
CNU85 I can only speak to the game in winchester a week ago, but there are some supporting statistics to what you are suggesting. Even though it's only a small slice of your season it sounds like a perfect example...

When you guys came into town, you shot 61% from the field, and even though you shot 50% from 3point range, you only took 4 attempts.  [FYI: on the other end SU put up 26 attempts and hit 23% (6-23) ???? ]  But here's the real eye openers:  SU got 31 points on second chance points to CNU's 10 second chance points.  Even though largely outsized underneath, SU still grabbed 49 rebounds to CNU's 41.  You had 13 blocks, 5 by big number 50 and he had limited minutes if I remember correctly. 

All I can remember on the offensive end was that #45 and #43 couldn't miss that night.  I guess what you can ask is: is your team the one that barely lost to the defending national champion by a bucket, or the team that just lost to Piedmont?   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 18, 2007, 10:44:41 PM
I don't think there will be any "upsets" saturday.  I think the one possible one would be the Ferrum-CNU game and the only way it will be is if CNU struggles at the FT line.

It looks like that probably won't happen since they are shooting a blistering 76.4% from the line 6% better then the next team in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 18, 2007, 10:53:11 PM
We don't have a pick'em but I will throw out a spread pick'em for Saturday.

AU at SU (+11)

FC(+9) at CNU

GC at NCWC (Even)

MC at MU(+13)


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2007, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 18, 2007, 10:44:41 PM
It looks like that probably won't happen since they are shooting a blistering 76.4% from the line 6% better then the next team in the conference.

the word you're looking for is THAN...and i don't see ferrum beating cnu any time in the near future

i like your spreads, though - if i were a betting man and vegas had these lines, i might jump on a few of those games...most notably your most likely upset - i think cnu will win by double digits

scottiedoug - i won't be at the game...family obligations...but i think the monarchs are playing much like the scots...very on and off - if the team that played against guilford and rutgers-newark and piedmont shows up, it will be a good game and i wouldn't be surprised to see a monarch "w"...if the other team shows up, it will be a long day for the green and gold - golden and blair are super scary, though, especially given the way the monarchs have failed to defend the post this season
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 08:32:07 AM
SU97,

good observations. You saw quite a bit in one game. Anyone who has been on this board for a few years will remember how much we have been screaming about rebounding. CNU doesn't seem to be able to rebound as well as the fans would like. It's a consistent theme, year after year. And if this year is abd in the rebounding category, just wait until next year! Other than Blasingame and little used Jackson...CNU will have NO EXPERIENCED big men. Mark must be getting frustrated inside. I know the playground mentaility of "give me the ball so I can shoot" is killing me!

When it comes to the tournament portion of the season...run and gun usually means one and done in college hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 19, 2007, 08:35:37 AM
It's I not i.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 08:42:49 AM
I love it!!! North Carolina "Grammar Wars". It's a long way from Mayberry!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 19, 2007, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 08:42:49 AM
I love it!!! North Carolina "Grammar Wars". It's a long way from Mayberry!!
Tar Wars.  "mae thee faux hoarse bee width ewe"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 19, 2007, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 19, 2007, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 08:42:49 AM
I love it!!! North Carolina "Grammar Wars". It's a long way from Mayberry!!
Tar Wars.  "mae thee faux hoarse bee width ewe"
thats hilarious! i can just hear some of these guys saying that. "faux hoarse!" make sure you say "hoarse" with all three syllables intact. .
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 01:49:02 PM
now I know why you know so much about hoops, Mensa.....Dr J. is one of your profs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 19, 2007, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 19, 2007, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 19, 2007, 09:49:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 08:42:49 AM
I love it!!! North Carolina "Grammar Wars". It's a long way from Mayberry!!
Tar Wars.  "mae thee faux hoarse bee width ewe"
thats hilarious! i can just hear some of these guys saying that. "faux hoarse!" make sure you say "hoarse" with all three syllables intact. dr jacobs (my pubspkg prof) would probably explode.
Hopefully, Dr. Jacobs won't also become hoarse during his vocal explosion.  :)  "watt anne awe full weigh two Finnish thee ore a shun"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 02:45:22 PM
It's Mrs. Dr. J.

I bet she could bounce one in!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 19, 2007, 03:22:49 PM
I guess I deserve it all.  I don't see a grammar check button.  I am sure I am much younger compared to the rest of you.  I have grown up with the MS Word and the grammar check feature. Although the only word that seems to come up with me is the than and then.  I could lie to you and tell you I have very fat fingers, and hit the e instead of the a.  I just don't thnk that lie will work.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 19, 2007, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2007, 02:45:22 PM
It's Mrs. Dr. J.   I bet she could bounce one in!!
Sorry.  Didn't mean to assume gender.  With a name like Dr. J, she has to be able to do some special things with a basketball.  :) 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 19, 2007, 03:32:01 PM
cnu85 is right about . and i dont think she would verbally explode, anyway. it woud more likely be an internalized atomic explosion of frustration.

i have a request for the cnu fans. im going home for the weekend and will miss the ferrum game. if you would post your impressions of the game i would be very appreciative.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 19, 2007, 09:39:01 PM
Typical CNU student, going home for the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2007, 11:28:29 AM
I'll beat Narch to it... ;)

"too" instead of "to"

Happy Narch??  :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 20, 2007, 11:30:12 AM
RTT - I'm not making it either. Stuff to do. I'll check the stats on my blackberry as usual.

they might look like this:
12 blocks
rebounds..cnu 40, FC - 49


aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 20, 2007, 12:20:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 20, 2007, 11:28:29 AM
I'll beat Narch to it... ;)

"too" instead of "to"

Happy Narch??  :P
grammar cops. i certainly know the distinction. look at my post just prior to my lapse. keep it up and i might start posting in text-speak.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2007, 05:17:08 PM
Narch:  Can you tell from the box score which MU team showed up?  I still do not know if MC is any good.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2007, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 20, 2007, 05:17:08 PM
Narch:  Can you tell from the box score which MU team showed up?  I still do not know if MC is any good.



looks like both monarch teams showed up in stretches
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2007, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 20, 2007, 11:28:29 AM
I'll beat Narch to it... ;)

"too" instead of "to"

Happy Narch??  :P

'85 - you know i'm not critical of obvious typo's...the grammar cop in me comes out only when someone uses the wrong word repeatedly
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 20, 2007, 06:42:56 PM
SU holds on to win 86-82 over Averett.  SU jumped out to a big lead and then in the second half Averett gained back ground.  Should have been a bger margin of victory, but SU continues to drop the ball at the stripe.  Our center lead the team in free-throw percentage, which is never a good sign...   Moktar (not sure on the spelling, hope the Monarch English Dept. doesn't deduct karma points here) was huge in the first half and ended the game with 32 points.  JLawrence continued to dominate underneath with 14 boards (SU donminated the glass with 45 rebounds compared to Averett's 33).  We finally got some support outside shooting to open up things underneath.  Good win for the Hornets!

On a side note, I do feel very bad for Averett.  They are a quality team and have a bunch of talent.  It is a shame that their guards are hurt.  This would be an entirely  different situation for the conference had those guys been healthy.  I was very impressed with them even with the loss. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on January 20, 2007, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 20, 2007, 11:28:29 AM
I'll beat Narch to it... ;)

"too" instead of "to"

Happy Narch??  :P

Et tu, CNU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 20, 2007, 09:16:35 PM
What are everyone's thoughts.  The only spread I did get exactly right was the MU MC game.  I don't know what everyone's picks would have been but I think did fairly well on the games in terms of the spreads.  I did not forsee SU beating AU though.  How were all the games today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 20, 2007, 11:03:41 PM
Just to give a heads up.  I think after next weekends games, I know it won't clinch a conference winner.  I do think it makes it very hard the rest of the way. In my power rankings, it is harder to change spots game after game.  Just my opinion that means the conference places are being determined.  I just think next weekend will settle the rankings and we will have a good idea where each team will finish.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 20, 2007, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 19, 2007, 03:32:01 PM
i have a request for the cnu fans. im going home for the weekend and will miss the ferrum game. if you would post your impressions of the game i would be very appreciative.
what do you say, guys? impressions?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2007, 11:56:46 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 20, 2007, 09:16:35 PM
What are everyone's thoughts.  The only spread I did get exactly right was the MU MC game.  I don't know what everyone's picks would have been but I think did fairly well on the games in terms of the spreads.  I did not forsee SU beating AU though.  How were all the games today.

good job on the mu/mc spread, and calling a tight game for cnu/fc...you're rankings are still flawed, but that's not a bad day of predictions :)

i disagree completely on the first half "sealing the deal" unless gc holds a 3 or more game edge...still a lot of hoops to be played
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2007, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 20, 2007, 11:03:41 PM
Just to give a heads up.  I think after next weekends games, I know it won't clinch a conference winner.  I do think it makes it very hard the rest of the way. In my power rankings, it is harder to change spots game after game.  Just my opinion that means the conference places are being determined.  I just think next weekend will settle the rankings and we will have a good idea where each team will finish.

I have to echo Narch's thoughts.  If CNU beats GC next weekend, then the whole thing is up for grabs in the second half - especially with CNU hosting GC in the last week of the season in Newport News.
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 21, 2007, 12:37:35 PM
Before we even think about this weekend we have to take a look at AU and CNU in the middle of the week.  If CNU wins that will give AU 3 losses in the conference half way through the conference schedule.  Yeah they can win out and still win because that is what it took last year 9 wins 3 losses. With 3 losses and half the conference left, AU still has to play CNU and GC again, and a very dangerous NCWC team twice. Also SU again.  I think the AU-CNU game is a must win for AU.  If they have any hopes of winning the conference.

Flat out, AU won't win the conference if they lose to CNU in the middle of the week.

I think with that said after next weekend we will see where teams stand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2007, 12:55:09 PM
Bad news for the Hornets out of Winchester this weekend, and no I'm not talking about the snow falling right now...  Onyie Onunaku was not in uniform in Shingleton Gym yesterday, which means he will not return to the SU lineup this year.  At the beginning of the year I really thought SU had a shot at one of the top two slots in the conference and a legit chance at the conf. tourney. Now, I think we will need to get one of the guards to go on a hot streak from outside to give JLawrence a little space underneath to make a run in the conf. tournament. 

Oh, and SU will need to do something about shooting 67% as a team from the free throw line. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2007, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 21, 2007, 12:37:35 PM
Before we even think about this weekend we have to take a look at AU and CNU in the middle of the week.  If CNU wins that will give AU 3 losses in the conference half way through the conference schedule.  Yeah they can win out and still win because that is what it took last year 9 wins 3 losses. With 3 losses and half the conference left, AU still has to play CNU and GC again, and a very dangerous NCWC team twice. Also SU again.  I think the AU-CNU game is a must win for AU.  If they have any hopes of winning the conference.

Flat out, AU won't win the conference if they lose to CNU in the middle of the week.

I think with that said after next weekend we will see where teams stand.

I don't see AU beating CNU this week, unless they are back to 100%.  The way I see things evolving is that CNU vs. GC will set up a very competitive second half because there will be a couple teams within reach.  The only way this senario doesn't go down would be for CNU to drop both the AU and GC game. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 21, 2007, 12:37:35 PMFlat out, AU won't win the conference if they lose to CNU in the middle of the week.
arent you forgetting that regular season records only determine the conference tourney seedings? au certainly has the talent to heal up and blow through the tourney even if they lose a half dozen more games before then.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2007, 01:12:32 PM
I have not seen GC play this year, and looking at their stats this morning I see that comparing them to the team from last year wouldn't help at all.  Each of the top 4 scorers look to be JUCO transfers and GC looks to have a lot of size.  Not sure how they match up to CNU.  I would think that at some point the CNU fans have to had seen GC during the 87 game CNU-GC-FISK series of 2006.  What do the CNU fans think about how they match up with GC?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2007, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 21, 2007, 12:37:35 PMFlat out, AU won't win the conference if they lose to CNU in the middle of the week.
arent you forgetting that regular season records only determine the conference tourney seedings? au certainly has the talent to heal up and blow through the tourney even if they lose a half dozen more games before then.

A healthy Averett squad would be nasty in the tourney...  There was a reason they were ranked as high as #11 in the country.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 21, 2007, 01:41:25 PM
This year's CNU team is very different than in years past. I think we've all gotten used to the teams that tend to blow out the dregs of the conference and win the tougher games at home and find a way to win the tougher games on the road. This year's is very different in that they lack depth and are not as keen on the defensive end. This could be a year where CNU fans end up with ulcers and heart attacks. With the way they played yesterday in its one-point win, winning games at home is must. They led by as many as 12 i think in the second half, but Ill tell ya, Ferrum showed a lot of grit and determination to come into the Freeman Center off a huge home win over Greensboro and play as well as they did. I totally forgot about Tuesday's game, glad someone mentioned it, because I was beginning to look into the weekend's games at Methodist and Greensboro. Tuesday definitely is a must win for the Captains, going into next weekend's road trip with a 3-1 record is very imperative.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 21, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
The one thing that needs to get going for the Captains is Davon Barton's shooting. He is doing very well distributing the ball, as evidenced by his top 3 national ranking in assists per game, but going 5-for-15 against Piedmont, 2-for-12 against NCW and 4-for-16 against Ferrum isnt him. Im not sure what it is, if its confidence or he's just in a slump, he needs to get his shooting back on track. Korey has played VERY well over the past four games and I hope he continues his trek, as is Donta. Ed has been very quiet since the Shenandoah game and almost looks lost out there. Mark has been his usual steady self, despite not starting yesterday, he still managed to grab six boards and swat five shots in 18 minutes of play. Theo to me is the one that needs to get back his touch. I think he began to find it yesterday when he scored 16 on a solid shooting effort (5-of-7 overall, 2-of-3 from deep and 4-of-4 from the line). One player off the bench who's given a nice spark in the last two games has been the play of Kelvin Franklin. He's come in and played much bigger than his 6-3 frame and has been a very pleasant surprise. This kid can jump thru the roof and has done a great job. Im looking forward to Tuesday's game and listening to Saturday and Sunday's contests on the radio.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 21, 2007, 01:59:41 PM
Let's Recap:

I didn't say anything about the conference tournament. I said conference.  I am well aware of all the conference and how it works.  Getting that "1st round bye" is what I think everyone is looking forward too.  AU may be a dangerous team if they are healthly.  I just know only once out of the last ten years,  the conference winner didn't win the tournament as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 08:14:37 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 21, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
The one thing that needs to get going for the Captains is Davon Barton's shooting. He is doing very well distributing the ball, as evidenced by his top 3 national ranking in assists per game, but going 5-for-15 against Piedmont, 2-for-12 against NCW and 4-for-16 against Ferrum isnt him. Im not sure what it is, if its confidence or he's just in a slump, he needs to get his shooting back on track.
wow, the drive from was ridiculous. as tough as it was to crawl into my car and head back to newport news, i am really glad to be back . thanks for the insight into the cnu season, mongoose. i absolutely agree that bartons play has been a huge disappointment lately. ive been one of his biggest fans, but shooting just under 26% fg% for the last 3 games is a sure way to lose support. i do think that he is a special player though, so i expect him to return to form soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 08:19:11 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 21, 2007, 01:59:41 PM
Let's Recap:

I didn't say anything about the conference tournament. I said conference.  I am well aware of all the conference and how it works.  Getting that "1st round bye" is what I think everyone is looking forward too.  AU may be a dangerous team if they are healthly.  I just know only once out of the last ten years,  the conference winner didn't win the tournament as well.
psbbg; i didnt know that the regular season winner has had such a lock on the conference tourney. i think thats absolutely incredible. ONE regular season non-winner has won the tourney in the last 10 years? i will take your word for it. i do wonder, though, how many of those teams were the dominant cnu teams. i really dont know the answer to this, and since you seem to have the stats; what team broke that regular season lock on the automatic berth in the ncaa tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 08:22:24 PM
BUT, with the parity we seem to have this year, i wouldnt be a bit surprised to see the 2nd team in 11 years to break that lock.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 08:27:19 PM
and btw, does anyone know why cnu is hosting the conference tourney for the second year in a row? im not complaining, but i do admit that it does seem a little unfair. i just hope that i will be blowing by security (like i did last year) to celebrate another championship at centercourt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 08:36:18 PM
is there no one else thinking about basketball as they watch the afc championship game? it looks like ne has the colts number this time. tom brady looks like he might get a 4th ring (and p manning looks like hes in for another heartbreak). 21-6 pats at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 21, 2007, 10:27:00 PM
the biggest comeback ever in a conf championship game. colts win 38-34 to erase a lot of demons.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 21, 2007, 11:39:09 PM
nota

6 out of 10 were the CNU teams, it could have been 7 but NCWC was the one team in the last 10 years to win it not a conference winner.  All this can be found here:

http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_basket_hist.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 22, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
thansk, psbbg. now, does anyone know why cnu is hosting the tourney again? does the nest team in the rotation not have an adequate facility, perhaps?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 22, 2007, 10:01:26 AM
nota-

CNU will be hosting the tournament again.  Its from my understanding schools in the conference can put their name out to host the tournament.  I believe CNU is the only school that does it.  I thought maybe Averett wanted to host it at one point.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that, because I am saying that with no certainty at all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 22, 2007, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 22, 2007, 10:01:26 AM
Its from my understanding schools in the conference can put their name out to host the tournament.  I believe CNU is the only school that does it.  I thought maybe Averett wanted to host it at one point.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that, because I am saying that with no certainty at all.
there must be more to it than that. it seems to me that every school would want to host and that they would have to rotate. i know for sure that cnu had an advantage playing at home last year, just ask any of the au players. like i said above, it seems a little unfair for cnu to get to host more than their share.

educate us, narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 22, 2007, 02:02:30 PM
Not sure how the conference tournament site selection works, but I may have to ask the Averett folks why we don't put our name in the hat.  There are a couple of hotels near the Grant Center and there are plenty of resturants, etc in close proximity to the gym. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2007, 02:38:20 PM
i'm not certain how the site selection process works
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 22, 2007, 02:59:35 PM
I think it all has to do with facilities.  AU and CNU have the top basketball facilities in the conference.  For those that have seen tournament games, they are able set up a spot in the back of the gym for players to eat and relax.  They have plenty of locker rooms for the teams.  I don't see why AU wouldn't put in thier name.  They have the locker rooms.  Think about it this way, where will the USASouth get the most money from admission.  Freeman Center by far holds the most people.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2007, 05:21:03 PM
psbbg - i think you're almost all the way there...i'm hearing facilities, locker-room, press access and hotels are the primary criteria (maybe exmonarchsid can enlighten us more) and then the schools that qualify put in a bid...i'm not sure if all schools meet the criteria to host, and i'm not sure if anyone other than cnu has bid in the last 2 years, which would be a shame if that's the case

i didn't get a chance to attend the spring sports tournaments in burlington, but everyone i've talked to that did RAVED about it...i know it's only 2 sports, but maybe the conference could come up with a nuetral court site that would be acceptable - the cumberland county crown coliseum would be a great nuetral court, if you ask me, although it might look very empty...

regarding attendance...you're right that there is only one school that is going to pack 'em in - the final last year had attendance figures of 1647 and the 2 semi's at cnu had 1107 (cnu/ncwc) and 395 (mu/au)

mu only drew 169 for their first round matchup with fc while gc/au had 220 and au/su had 332

as a fan, it sure was fun when the tournament rotated - when mu hosted the mens tournament, i was in hoops heaven for a couple of days watching almost all of those games...of course, that was pre-wife and kids, so that wouldn't happen again, but man that was fun!

psbbg - got a spread on mu/ncwc...i'm hoping the monarchs can pull off a tough road contest and get a little something started, but ncwc/mu is always a battle




Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 22, 2007, 05:39:46 PM
i hope that cnu continues to host on a regular basis. it would be great to rush onto the court in victory every year when the captains win the championship, just like i did last year. those silly freeman security people  actually postured for a moment as though they were going to hold back the crowd. bwaahaaahaaaahaaaaa!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 22, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
narch-

Here is my spread.  I know its only about an hour until game time so I am not too sure if many would see this valid or not since it is close to game time.

MU(+7) at NCWC

I think it will be a close game throughout, but NCWC is a tough place to play.  If it were at MU, I would probably call it even.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 22, 2007, 10:02:49 PM
Narch-

Maybe it doesn't matter where they play.  I did say it was going to be a close game.  i just saw the score 88-86.  I just thought NCWC would really take it by about 7.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 23, 2007, 08:05:36 AM
narch,

i know that youre probably fed up with "quality losses", but if you ask me, losing at ncw by 2 is really impressive. cnu couldnt stay with them that closely in the freeman. the monarchs, like so many other teams in the conference, are the real deal. anyone that looks past them is going to be rudely awakened.

hold on to your hats, boys and girls, the remaining conference season is going to be a very wild ride.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2007, 08:19:47 AM
the monarchs simply have to stop digging holes...they were down by 17 at one point, and came back to make it a game - ncwc hit their ft's down the stretch and the monarch rally came up short - they've got to play 40 intense minutes

radmanovic had 32 and 13...pretty nice night for him
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 23, 2007, 02:20:18 PM
narch,
didnt you post earlier that radmonovich had been held out of one game? did you ever find out the details about that? whatever, it looks like he is in much better standing now. 32/13 is a great game for anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 23, 2007, 02:22:18 PM
5 hours to game time! ithe free should be rockin!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 23, 2007, 02:33:51 PM
to state the obvious, this is a HUGE game for both au and cnu. a cnu win would put them in a tie for 1st. an au win would prevent them from falling to 2-3, which you KNOW they dont want to happen. you alsso know that the revenge factor will be huge. the captains are going to have to play their absolute best, but as someone pointed out earlier this year, they seem to play to the level of their competition. if they do tonight as well, we are in for a barn burner. i think they will be up to the task.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 23, 2007, 02:41:52 PM
maybe someone has already pointed this out, but this years au team is very different than the one that lost in the freeman last year. only 5 guys on the au team this year were at that game. only one of those 5 started (boor). so, is it possible that the revenge factor wont be that high? naaaaa... they want to hurt us bad.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 23, 2007, 04:36:01 PM
Before the games start here are my predictions for tonights game:

Averett at CNU-- Averett will win this game they are a really talanted team and can win on the road


Ferrum at SU---Ferrum will win this game in a close game. It was so close in my mind that it is really hard to make a prediction


those are my mens games for today as far as the conference goes,


Southern VA at Greensboro---we lost to them a couple of weeks ago in a nailbiter and we are looking for revenge in Hanes Gym toady. I say that the Pride will come out on top
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 23, 2007, 05:40:14 PM
Statistics tell me AU and CNU should be a tight game. I think AU will win, but for sure as an underdog.

AU(+3) @ CNU

FC @ SU (EVEN)

SoVA @ GC (OFF) (I can't use my statistic approach because teams play at different levels.)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 23, 2007, 05:41:49 PM
Go toads!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 23, 2007, 10:42:03 PM
cnu 79 - au 75. what a game! i thought that we were dead. down by 16 with 5 minutes left in the 1st half, i didnt think we had a chance. i think it was about that time that cnu gave up on the four corners offense that they seemed to be using, and things got a lot better. it was either the four corners or some other offense in which the players just stand around and watch each other. we cut that 16 point lead in half before the break, and for the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half the teams played pretty close. in the last 10 minutes of the game it was all cnu. our guys just didnt quit. we still seem to be making a lot of mistakes, and we definitely were not prepared for them to start the game, but our guys did enough to win, and thats what counts. highlights include: 79% ft shooting, tough defense in the 2nd half, baker with 17 (6/10 fg, 2/3 3pt, 3/3 ft) and some clutch plays (especially that stick back late in the game), selden with a great game (22 pts, 7/13 fg, 3/6 3pt, 5/6 ft), blasingame had his usual efficient and steady game with 11 pts, 11 reb, 7 blks (4/4 fg). lowlights include being outrebounded thoroughly and the lethargic and unprepared start. and i am officially BACK on my soapbox to convince riley to take his game inside where his strengths are better utilized. his wide open 3pt attempt hit nothin but air. we have outside shooters, what we need is rebounding and inside depth. 2 rebounds for the game! this was a great game (at least the last 25 minutes were). i couldnt believe that au actually resorted to fouling selden at the end. dont they remember what he did to them last year from the free throw line!? i probably wont sleep for days after this one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 23, 2007, 10:44:27 PM
I have no idea why I am at -7.  I think I have been setting some fairly good "spreads" I saw the score at halftime of the AU-CNU.  CNU fans I never thought that score would hold up. Good win for CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 23, 2007, 11:37:49 PM
Week 9 Power Rankings (Through Tonights games)

Greensboro
CNU
Averett
NC Wesleyan
Ferrum
Methodist
Shenadoah

I will say after this weekend.  I will go out on a limb and say whatever week 10 rankings are, WILL be the way the conference finishes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 24, 2007, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 23, 2007, 11:37:49 PM
Week 9 Power Rankings (Through Tonights games)

Greensboro
CNU
Averett
NC Wesleyan
Ferrum
Methodist
Shenadoah

I will say after this weekend.  I will go out on a limb and say whatever week 10 rankings are, WILL be the way the conference finishes.


And if they are not you can just change the formula after the season so they match up right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 24, 2007, 02:12:05 PM
I tell you all that the conference is really tight. I am looking foward to this weekend here in Greensboro. It is going to a weekend of conference regular season inplications to see who will get the key 1st round bye this year. The Pride looked good last night only commiting like 8 tournovers and that is the reason why the score reflected the way that it did. But a great win for the captains and all that i am going to say is that it will be exciting
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 24, 2007, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: leroy on January 24, 2007, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 23, 2007, 11:37:49 PM
Week 9 Power Rankings (Through Tonights games)

Greensboro
CNU
Averett
NC Wesleyan
Ferrum
Methodist
Shenadoah

I will say after this weekend.  I will go out on a limb and say whatever week 10 rankings are, WILL be the way the conference finishes.


And if they are not you can just change the formula after the season so they match up right.

It won't be changed because even with the change I made this year it still made the way the conference finished the way it did.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 24, 2007, 03:39:43 PM
Leroy--- The only reason that you are griping is because you didnt come up with the formuala. Also he has used his formula to put out a few spreads and they have been pretty close so it must not be too far off.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on January 24, 2007, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 24, 2007, 03:39:43 PM
Leroy--- The only reason that you are griping is because you didnt come up with the formuala. Also he has used his formula to put out a few spreads and they have been pretty close so it must not be too far off.

Gullett--- The only reason you are griping is because you can't spell formuala, tournovers, and commiting....and you must think inplication is a word.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 24, 2007, 09:58:12 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2007, 10:13:52 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 24, 2007, 09:58:12 PM
???

insightful3
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2007, 10:15:15 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 24, 2007, 03:14:37 PMIt won't be changed because even with the change I made this year it still made the way the conference finished the way it did.

oh...this makes perfect sense...thanks [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2007, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 24, 2007, 02:12:05 PMthat is the reason why the score reflected the way that it did

was the mirror convex or concave?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 24, 2007, 10:19:18 PM
Don't confuse activity with accomplishment.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 25, 2007, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: leroy on January 24, 2007, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 24, 2007, 03:39:43 PM
Leroy--- The only reason that you are griping is because you didnt come up with the formuala. Also he has used his formula to put out a few spreads and they have been pretty close so it must not be too far off.

Gullett--- The only reason you are griping is because you can't spell formuala, tournovers, and commiting....and you must think inplication is a word.

I have already told everyone on this site that i just type. I dont care if it is spelled right or not.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 25, 2007, 10:46:40 PM
Well, since it has been a broken record all season, just take any of my post-game posts following the past few games, take out the previous opponent and replace with "Ferrum College."  That should suffice for all SU analysis from tuesday night.

Big weekend coming up. Although I can never root for CNU, I will say that the win this week keeps things interesting going into the weekend. Things will be a lot closer with CNU knocking off Averett, the game in greensboro makes for less of a do-or-die-situation. I can see this whole thing going down to the final weekend, even if the Captains lose down in GC in a couple of days. 

Lastly, I'm thinking that this is historically never a positive roadtrip for the Hornets.  Since it may be painfull to list anything from saturday's matchup against Greensboro, I will defer to Narch to begin to build up the hype for the game for the last place on Sunday.  Narch, I figure that this is the only game we can throw down some good stats and trash talk...  If I am correct SU hasn't won in Fayetteville since the Ice Age.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 27, 2007, 01:55:39 AM
Well USA South fans, it is seperation weekend and it is going to be a fun one. Key games all weekend
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 27, 2007, 06:23:09 PM
SU loses to GC 65-52.  Sounded like the Hornets stuck with GC in the first half and then GC pulled away in the second.

We need a win tomorrow... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 27, 2007, 06:40:27 PM
CNU lost to Methodist by one it OT. Big games tommorow here in Greensboro
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 27, 2007, 09:02:31 PM
i couldn't attend the games today, but i hate that i missed them - a total of 3 ot's between the men's and women's games - sounds like both games were just incredible and i couldn't be more pleased with the men's result - the monarchs need a win on sunday to finish the first half of the conference season strong and stay in the race - browsing the box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/mcm0127.htm), it looks like the captains again struggled with rebounding...shuford is 6'2" and about 195 lbs, but pulled down 13 boards against the much larger captains - lee had a huge second half and really lifted the monarchs while bascom continued his precocious play - great effort, monarchs...repeat it on sunday
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 27, 2007, 09:49:41 PM
Quote from: narch on January 27, 2007, 09:02:31 PM
i couldn't attend the games today, but i hate that i missed them - a total of 3 ot's between the men's and women's games - sounds like both games were just incredible and i couldn't be more pleased with the men's result - the monarchs need a win on sunday to finish the first half of the conference season strong and stay in the race - browsing the box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/mcm0127.htm), it looks like the captains again struggled with rebounding...shuford is 6'2" and about 195 lbs, but pulled down 13 boards against the much larger captains - lee had a huge second half and really lifted the monarchs while bascom continued his precocious play - great effort, monarchs...repeat it on sunday


Congrats to Methodist on a big win. Go get another one tommorow
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: exmonarchsid on January 27, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
Congrats to the Monarchs on the big OT win over the Capts. Great game by Lee. Normally, he has played stronger on the road in his Methodist career, but came up big today at home. Another strong outing by Shuford. He's simply a beast with that football player mentality and "never quit" attitude. I don't know what's in the water, but CJ and Captains are getting that Riddle Center curse - four defeats at Methodist in the last five seasons. Way to go guys - extend the Riddle winning streak tomorrow against Shenandoah.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 27, 2007, 11:23:43 PM
Quote from: narch on January 27, 2007, 09:02:31 PM
it looks like the captains again struggled with rebounding
they dont rebound because it obviously isnt important to them. you never see them go to the boards when they or a teammate take a shot. its almost as if they are certain that every shot they take is going to go in. doesnt the coach notice that they are getting killed on the boards? doesnt he look at the stats after the games? he must not. either that or he has absolutely no control over his team and cant get them to go to the boards. they are too big to just not be very good at rebounding. they must not care. scoring is more glamorous, i guess. lewis and bgame with 4 rebounds each in
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 27, 2007, 11:25:35 PM
73 minutes combined. our point guard with that many on his own. no one on the team with more than a single offensive rebound. its pathetic.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 27, 2007, 11:30:28 PM
and, oh yeah... congratulations to methodist.  good win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2007, 07:36:48 AM
here is the game story from the fayetteville observer (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253152)

mensa, my first thought when looking at the box was similar to yours...how can blassingame and lewis not dominate rebounding numbers against a 6'2" post player and a guy in radmanovic who, while having size (6'7"), has never been known as a rebounder - those 2 combined for 21 rebounds to the 8 lewis and blassingame had combined...on paper that looks like the difference in the game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 28, 2007, 08:56:50 AM
thanks for the link, narch. the most telling sentence in the article: "Antwin Shuford tipped in a missed jumper from the left wing by Bryan Pittman for the game-winner."  In other words, the captains fail to get in position for the rebound and let their opponent take down another offensive rebound. this one the game winner.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 28, 2007, 09:01:37 AM
and heres the kicker; i still think that cnu will give greensboro a good game today. because they only play 6 players deep into their roster, they will be dead tired from the ot loss. but i think they will still play to the level of their competition and make it a close game. but they will still lose.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on January 28, 2007, 10:58:32 AM
I was one of about 10 CNU fans at the game yesterday. I talked with Blasingame's Dad after the game and seems Mark had a pretty severe ankle turn in practice Thursday.  He had a noticeable lack of mobility and was not able to elevate or move well laterally.  Little surprised he played most of the game.  While much can be made over CNU's rebounding, we were up as many as ten in the second half, up by seven with 7 minutes to go, then were out scored 18-3 before making a furious comeback in the last couple of minutes to tie the score. We came down probably six times straight without taking a shot. I'm pretty sure I heard Korey scream bank when he shot the three to tie the game at the end of regulation! I sincerely hope we can get it together at the point, Davon has the talent—hands down, but his confidence right now is obviously  hurting.  If the old Davon can comeback CNU will be fine—keep your head up dude—you can do it.  Theo played a great game.  Short bench hurts. 

Greensboro is very athletic, could be a LONG day today unless we have solid guard play and we rebound well.  Uh-oh.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 28, 2007, 11:38:24 AM
Greensboro will be doing live stats at the game today as well as a webcast. Here is the like to the page:

http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/PrideNet/2006-07/0607webcasts.html

The GameCast link is to the live stats.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 28, 2007, 11:45:27 AM
cnufella1,

im glad that someone from cnu was at the gme. didnt i see in the box that the total attendance was under 300? 10 vocal fans can make a difference in such a small crowd. you said that "we were up as many as ten in the second half, up by seven with 7 minutes to go, then were out scored 18-3 before making a furious comeback." this to me seems an example of our incredible inconsistency this year. sometimes we just seem to fall asleep. we get a lead and coast. we open a game as though we were playing a jr high school team. that we are able to make these comebacks says to me that we have incredible potential, but we seem to be squandering it with indifference. in this regard i am really surprised, because i expected donta seldon to be a great team leader this year. he has real heart, but it doesnt seem to be rubbing off on his teammates. bgame has heart also, and i read about his ankle injury with mixed feelings. im somewhat relieved that there was an excuse for his lack of rebounding yesterday, but on the other hand im really concerned that hes injured. maybe i should change my opinion of their chances this afternoon against greensobro. barton is the biggest surprise of all lately. what happened to the guy that should have been 1st team all-conf last year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: narch on January 28, 2007, 07:36:48 AM
mensa, my first thought when looking at the box was similar to yours...how can blassingame and lewis not dominate rebounding numbers against a 6'2" post player and a guy in radmanovic who, while having size (6'7"), has never been known as a rebounder - those 2 combined for 21 rebounds to the 8 lewis and blassingame had combined...on paper that looks like the difference in the game


If you remeber the formula I threw out at the beginning of the year...  the Dragan is the difference for MU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 28, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: narch on January 28, 2007, 07:36:48 AM
mensa, my first thought when looking at the box was similar to yours...how can blassingame and lewis not dominate rebounding numbers against a 6'2" post player and a guy in radmanovic who, while having size (6'7"), has never been known as a rebounder - those 2 combined for 21 rebounds to the 8 lewis and blassingame had combined...on paper that looks like the difference in the game


If you remeber the formula I threw out at the beginning of the year...  the Dragan is the difference for MU.

I totally agree with you on that 97. MU is like day and night when Dragan is on or off the court. Good Luck to the hornets today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:21:46 PM
in all seriousness; great win for the Monarchs, I didn't see that coming at all.  If CNU loses today then this whole thing could become out of reach for the rest of the league. (pridesport, you may have been right after all...) I was expecting CNU & GC to have the same record going in. Figured that CNU would have handled MU and that SU would give GC a run for the money.  

I only caught the SU-GC game yesterday on the radio, but it sounded like GC coasted to an easy victory in the second half.  I would think they are a little more rested than CNU - not to mention in better health. If big #50 is hurt, then I'm not sure if CNU will be able to hang with GC. Our radio guys kept mentioning how athletic and strong GC was and that they were the first team in a long time to out-rebound our guys. I #50 is out, then GC may run away with this thing. If CNU is healthy, it should be a good game.



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 28, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: narch on January 28, 2007, 07:36:48 AM
mensa, my first thought when looking at the box was similar to yours...how can blassingame and lewis not dominate rebounding numbers against a 6'2" post player and a guy in radmanovic who, while having size (6'7"), has never been known as a rebounder - those 2 combined for 21 rebounds to the 8 lewis and blassingame had combined...on paper that looks like the difference in the game


If you remeber the formula I threw out at the beginning of the year...  the Dragan is the difference for MU.

I totally agree with you on that 97. MU is like day and night when Dragan is on or off the court. Good Luck to the hornets today.


I was real impressed with Dragan last year when they came up to Winchester.  He just seemed to be all over the court and hustled a lot that game. Plus, any time the big fellas start launching from 3, I am a fan. Hopefully SU can pull a little upset of their own today. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 28, 2007, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 28, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: narch on January 28, 2007, 07:36:48 AM
mensa, my first thought when looking at the box was similar to yours...how can blassingame and lewis not dominate rebounding numbers against a 6'2" post player and a guy in radmanovic who, while having size (6'7"), has never been known as a rebounder - those 2 combined for 21 rebounds to the 8 lewis and blassingame had combined...on paper that looks like the difference in the game


He does not seem to be as strong this year. But i would not sleep on him. His leadership is what keeps MU going

If you remeber the formula I threw out at the beginning of the year...  the Dragan is the difference for MU.

I totally agree with you on that 97. MU is like day and night when Dragan is on or off the court. Good Luck to the hornets today.


I was real impressed with Dragan last year when they came up to Winchester.  He just seemed to be all over the court and hustled a lot that game. Plus, any time the big fellas start launching from 3, I am a fan. Hopefully SU can pull a little upset of their own today. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 28, 2007, 12:49:32 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2007, 12:21:46 PM
in all seriousness; great win for the Monarchs, I didn't see that coming at all.  If CNU loses today then this whole thing could become out of reach for the rest of the league. (pridesport, you may have been right after all...) I was expecting CNU & GC to have the same record going in. Figured that CNU would have handled MU and that SU would give GC a run for the money.  

I only caught the SU-GC game yesterday on the radio, but it sounded like GC coasted to an easy victory in the second half.  I would think they are a little more rested than CNU - not to mention in better health. If big #50 is hurt, then I'm not sure if CNU will be able to hang with GC. Our radio guys kept mentioning how athletic and strong GC was and that they were the first team in a long time to out-rebound our guys. I #50 is out, then GC may run away with this thing. If CNU is healthy, it should be a good game.






Blasingame is a HUGE key to CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on January 28, 2007, 01:35:45 PM
Dragon is a heck of a player, however yesterday it was Lee who put the dagger in CNU.  He went off in the second half.   It wasn't that the defense was that bad on Lee, he was just hot.  Was hoping someone would shake Lee to wake him up.  Smith went to a small and quick line-up in the second half, with either Shuford or Moore in the middle.  Note that Dragon totaled 29 minutes in the game; he was on the bench during the run. 

One thing I forgot to mention was the referees.  They did not call a bad game, however at the end of overtime, after Shuford's score CJ feverishly tried to call timeout.  For some reason all three refs ended up on the baseline under CNU's basket??????  So the ref who was supposed to be standing next to CJ was WAY out of position.  CNU should have had at least 5 seconds on the clock, they were given 1.1.  They still may not have scored, but you can certainly run a lot more options with 5!   What a shame, for CNU it ended on such a sour note. 

Notsa, I really think Donta is trying hard to bring the team together.  The team did play hard, for the most part yesterday, but you're "right on" about the lapses, especially on the defensive end.  Last year, Romeo did not hit his stride until VERY late in the season.  We can only hope and pray Davon does the same. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 28, 2007, 06:47:01 PM
cnu 67
gc 65

what a season! i expected cnu to split the weekend games, but not like they did. but if we had to split, i sure like doing it the way we did (loss at methodist, win at greensboro),
rather than the way i expected (win at methodist, loss at greensboro). by winning in greensboro we remain in a tie for 1st. but look at the standings now! only 1 team is more than a game out of 1st place. we might end up with 3 or 4 teams at the end of the year with 7-5 records the way this is going. great win for cnu today. i wish i had listened to it. you guys that saw it (gcgullet, cnufella1), tell us what you saw. i said this before; cnu can play with any team in d3. the problem is, we DO play with any team in d3; at the level of our opponent. im going to start calling them the cardiac kids.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2007, 08:52:28 PM
lee had a big game again today, scoring 22 in the win against su - radmanovic had 17 and 7 and shu had 9 and 9 - lawrence had a studly 31 and 10...that kid can flat out play

the monarchs are just a game out of 1st after a nice weekend...of course, so is everyone but gc, cnu and su :)

psbbg - so you think the conference will end with a 2 way tie for first and a 4 way tie for 2nd?  i'm not so sure, but this sure is shaping up to be a fun race

monarchs go to greensboro jc on wednesday with a chance to really make things interesting
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 28, 2007, 09:06:09 PM
Quote from: narch on January 28, 2007, 08:52:28 PM
psbbg - so you think the conference will end with a 2 way tie for first and a 4 way tie for 2nd?  i'm not so sure, but this sure is shaping up to be a fun race
i dont think he assigned 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. rather, he just listed the teams from top to bottom. maybe he thinks it will be a 6-way tie for first... not a bad pick the way things are going.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2007, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 28, 2007, 09:06:09 PMi dont think he assigned 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. rather, he just listed the teams from top to bottom. maybe he thinks it will be a 6-way tie for first... not a bad pick the way things are going.

good call...i remembered that he said the way the standings were would be the way the season ended...i remembered incorrectly...

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 23, 2007, 11:37:49 PM
I will say after this weekend.  I will go out on a limb and say whatever week 10 rankings are, WILL be the way the conference finishes.

i can't wait to see the monarchs in 2nd to last in the new rankings :)

i think i'm gonna wait until the season is over to post my rankings...it'll be much easier that way
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 28, 2007, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: cnufella1 on January 28, 2007, 01:35:45 PM
Dragon is a heck of a player, however yesterday it was Lee who put the dagger in CNU.  He went off in the second half.   It wasn't that the defense was that bad on Lee, he was just hot.  Was hoping someone would shake Lee to wake him up.  Smith went to a small and quick line-up in the second half, with either Shuford or Moore in the middle.  Note that Dragon totaled 29 minutes in the game; he was on the bench during the run. 

One thing I forgot to mention was the referees.  They did not call a bad game, however at the end of overtime, after Shuford's score CJ feverishly tried to call timeout.  For some reason all three refs ended up on the baseline under CNU's basket??????  So the ref who was supposed to be standing next to CJ was WAY out of position.  CNU should have had at least 5 seconds on the clock, they were given 1.1.  They still may not have scored, but you can certainly run a lot more options with 5!   What a shame, for CNU it ended on such a sour note. 

Notsa, I really think Donta is trying hard to bring the team together.  The team did play hard, for the most part yesterday, but you're "right on" about the lapses, especially on the defensive end.  Last year, Romeo did not hit his stride until VERY late in the season.  We can only hope and pray Davon does the same. 



It was a really good game we had a shot to tie with two seconds on the clock and we truned the ball over. It is like I said after the game you win some and you loose some.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 28, 2007, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 28, 2007, 10:31:45 PM
It was a really good game we had a shot to tie with two seconds on the clock and we truned the ball over. It is like I said after the game you win some and you loose some.
any more insight than "it was a really good game?"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2007, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 28, 2007, 10:31:45 PMIt was a really good game we had a shot to tie with two seconds on the clock and we truned the ball over.
gotta hate those trunovers...they'll hrut you every time :)

Quote from: GCGullett on January 28, 2007, 10:31:45 PMIt is like I said after the game you win some and you loose some.
and after the game you can put on your lose jeans
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 29, 2007, 08:34:09 AM
Tool
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 29, 2007, 09:03:20 AM
Hey (not "hay" since that's dried grass fed to livestock), it's (not "its" since that signifies possession and this is a contraction for "it is") not (not "knot" since that's where a limb once grew on a tree and not "naught" since that means zero) narch's (note apostrophe signifying possession) fault (note correct spelling) that (no additional comments - you either know it or you don't) some (not "sum" since that signifies a total in addition) writers (not "rite, right, wright or Reuters," since they are, respectively, a ceremony, a privilege or direction, a craftsman and a news service) do (not "due" or "dew" which signify, respectively, something now owed and condensation) not (also not to be confused with "Knott's" Berry Farm, which is a California amusement park) know (not "no" since that means negative) which (not "witch" since that is a female hag or not "wich" as in the suffix on sandwich) homonym (not "homosexual" since he's your roommate) to (not "too" which means also or "two" which is a number or even "tutu" which is what your roommate may now be wearing) use (not "ewes" since that is two or more female sheep).  Got it?   lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 29, 2007, 09:22:54 AM
thut wuz funie
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 29, 2007, 09:38:03 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 29, 2007, 09:22:54 AMthut wuz funie
Thanks.  Just having some fun.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: exmonarchsid on January 29, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
Great weekend, Monarchs. I don't miss those back-to-back weekend doubleheaders when it comes to work, but the games have always been exciting. Judging by the box score, Methodist was near-flawless from the floor and the free throw line in the second half against Shenandoah. Narch, you're right - Lawrence is a heck of a player - it's too bad he doesn't have a great supporting cast around him. Lee had a monster weekend, and maybe he will come alive in the second half, as will Dragan and Shuford. The misery continues for Hornets in the Riddle Center - 14 straight defeats at Methodist against the Monarchs! This should be a great second half of the conference. Narch, will you be making the trip to Gboro on Wednesday?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 29, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
CNU ... strange situation ...

At a glance, it appears to me, that CNU is one of the most talented teams I've seen this season.

* A first class PG
* Good big guy, shot blocker/rebounder in the middle
* Very good, quick, do-everything 2 guard
* Very good, big, scoring and rebounding forward
* Riley and Baker are certainly no slouches
* They all  shoot the ball well ...
* What else do you need?

It's hard to believe those guys have lost 7 games. What's the deal?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2007, 11:34:45 AM
Good components don't always add up to a team....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 29, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 29, 2007, 10:56:00 AM

* What else do you need?

It's hard to believe those guys have lost 7 games. What's the deal?

How about some Freakin' DEFENSE...maybe some more rebounds, especially when the opponent is significantly shorter! How about...going to the ball, blocking out, steals, being aggressive without the ball?

Need more?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on January 29, 2007, 12:16:48 PM
Averett had a good win against NCW on Saturday - the 3 balls seem to fall a little better than in recent games!  It seems like our interior guys went to the boards better than they did over the last 4-5 games.  We have been outrebounded consistently, especially with the opposition getting easy put backs. Our bigs have to be more aggressive in going for the ball!

This is a huge week for us.  The Ferrum game will not be easy, especially since we have to go up there!  Then we have G'boro on Saturday at home.  Our trip up there was one of the ugliest games I've seen us play this season but we should have everyone back for the first time in over a month.

We're lucky to have G'boro, CNU and SU for home games but we have to go to Methodist and NCW on the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 29, 2007, 02:48:29 PM
a look at the conference stats for the 1st half of the season reveals some interesting information about cnu:

cnu is dead last in team rebounding margin. no surprise there, we all expected that. what is surprising though is that they are FIRST in defensive rebounds. in offensive rebounds they are dead last by a large margin. not a single player for cnu is even listed among the 16 conference leaders in off rebounds. the front line for cnu is big, and they are getting the def rebounds, but its obvious that they have no interest at all in off rebounds.

cnu is 1st by a mile in blocks (thank you, blasingame). this includes the game when the greensboro scorer gave blasingame NO blocks for the game. im guessing that the last time he played 32 minutes without a block he was in preschool. on second thought, i dont think it has ever happened.

as a note; how can methodist only have 7 blocks as a team in their 6 conference games? their scorer must know what one look likes since he credited cnu with 8 of them on saturday.

there is one seemingly contradictory statistic for cnu, which is that they are 2nd in the conference in fg% defense. but, as we all know, they are definitely taking a lot of heat for not playing defense. maybe all of those blocked shots are keeping the fg% down?

cnu is dead last in steals, perhaps an indication of their lack of defensive intensity.

cnu is also dead last in forcing turnovers, another example of their lack of defensive intensity.

cnu has the highest team 3pt% in the conference, but has attempted the fewest 3s. ive been saying all year that we should be shooting more 3s (except riley). id like to see plays for threes with our big guys (riley) going inside for misses. that would certainly surprise the opposition!

korey lewis is having a great conference run statistically. he is 4th in scoring, 5th in rebounding (almost all of them on the defensive end), 4th in fg%, 4th in blocks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 29, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
Week 10 Power Rankings (Plus this is what I said the way the conference will finish)

Greensboro
Averett
CNU
Ferrum
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Shenadoah

Narch-MU had a great weekend.  Great win over CNU.  I think the CNU fans have said it already, 7 losses because the lack of intensity on defense.

I think CNU won alot of thier conference games on just FT shooting alone, and alot of thier games and are decided from the FT line.  Go look at the statistics. Lucky for MU, CNU had a bad shooting night from the FT line (68% for CNU that is bad)  I can't see them winning the conference if like the statistics show they are horrible on defense.

As for the rankings CNU and AU are virtually equal, and the same goes for NCWC and MU.  Those two sets of teams will probably flip-flop from week to week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2007, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 29, 2007, 08:34:09 AM
Tool

::) witty retort...was this directed at me  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2007, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 29, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
I think CNU won alot of thier conference games on just FT shooting alone, and alot of thier games and are decided from the FT line.  Go look at the statistics. Lucky for MU, CNU had a bad shooting night from the FT line (68% for CNU that is bad) 
in conference games, cnu is #5 among 7 teams in ft's made with 13 per game, while the league leaders, ncwc average 21.33 per game...the captains score 8 fewer ppg at the line than do the bishops, yet average only 3 fewer ppg...i'd say they're winning with something else...like maybe a .512 shooting percentage from the field?

and don't underestimate the monarchs ft defense...they work on the fundamentals of ft defense (sneezing just as the ball is being released, having cute cheerleaders walk under the basket to distract the shooter, etc.) for the last 5 minutes of practice every day...

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 29, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
I can't see them winning the conference if like  the statistics show they are horrible on defense.
like, i totally agree...oh my god [/valley girl accent]...

i'm not sure the stats show they are horrible on defense, though...they certainly aren't as good as the pride, but not sure they're horrible either
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 29, 2007, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 29, 2007, 02:48:29 PM
a look at the conference stats for the 1st half of the season reveals some interesting information about cnu:

cnu is dead last  in team rebounding margin. no surprise there, we all expected that. what is surprising though is that they are FIRST in defensive rebounds. in offensive rebounds they are dead last by a large margin. not a single player for cnu is even listed among the 16 conference leaders in off rebounds. the front line for cnu is big, and they are getting the def rebounds, but its obvious that they have no interest at all in off rebounds.

cnu is 1st by a mile in blocks (thank you, blasingame). this includes the game when the greensboro scorer gave blasingame NO blocks for the game. im guessing that the last time he played 32 minutes without a block he was in preschool. on second thought, i dont think it has ever happened.

as a note; how can methodist only have 7 blocks as a team in their 6 conference games? their scorer must know what one look likes since he credited cnu with 8 of them on saturday.

there is one seemingly contradictory statistic for cnu, which is that they are 2nd in the conference in fg% defense. but, as we all know, they are definitely taking a lot of heat for not playing defense. maybe all of those blocked shots are keeping the fg% down?

cnu is dead last  in steals, perhaps an indication of their lack of defensive intensity.

cnu is also dead last  in forcing turnovers, another example of their lack of defensive intensity.

cnu has the highest team 3pt% in the conference, but has attempted the fewest 3s. ive been saying all year that we should be shooting more 3s (except riley). id like to see plays for threes with our big guys (riley) going inside for misses. that would certainly surprise the opposition!

korey lewis is having a great conference run statistically. he is 4th in scoring, 5th in rebounding (almost all of them on the defensive end), 4th in fg%, 4th in blocks.


mensa:  I ask that you please refrain from using the phrase "Dead Last" in referencing CNU. At 1-5 in conference SU has established itself, unquestionably, as dead last. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 29, 2007, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: narch on January 29, 2007, 09:17:44 PM
...like  maybe a .512 shooting percentage from the field?

LIKE...You did it too.  :D


Narch maybe if you look at all 7 of CNU's losses...look at the FT line numbers.  Look at all the close games they won as well.

CNU is shooting .495 on the year in terms of FG% and they have 7 losses.  Obiviously thier defense is really good (Sarcastic)

You may joke about FT% defense, but if you can get a team tired FT shooting can be affected(CNU did get worse and worse during the MU Game) Or you have to "foul" the right players.

CNU is tough offensive team no doubt about it.  I only saw CNU play once this year and they are team that looks to drive and shoot, that of course puts them in a higher probablity of getting fouls.  (Not too many fouls called on 3pter's)  The players that get to the line the most for them are those that are driving to the basket. They are shooting .495 from the field which is reduced because of the 3FG% of .355 (best in the conference) take that out they are shooting .5366 from the 2pt range, which means they are probably getting a lot of easy lay-ups and a lot of easy jumpers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 29, 2007, 11:41:12 PM
From the one game I saw, CNU plays more of a run-and-gun style of hoops than a half court offense that milks the clock. They got a bunch of layups and easy baskets against SU in transition. I think Narch is right with refering to the shooting percentage as the key.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 12:07:16 AM
Still...   I do think SU could upset a couple of teams in the next two weeks; maybe even grabbing 2 or even 3 wins (yes a bit of a stretch here), which might mess things up for some of the other teams in the mix.  We've lost two games by less than 5 points and we've been in a few of them until teams pull away at the end.  We could be a spoiler for some of those current 3 win teams. At that point if JLawrence can get some help from ANYBODY we might have a chance to make a decent run into the conf. tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 08:32:07 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 29, 2007, 11:23:44 PM
mensa:  I ask that you please refrain from using the phrase "Dead Last" in referencing CNU. At 1-5 in conference SU has established itself, unquestionably, as dead last. 
ok, i will use "not as good as su". is that better? and by the way, su is only 3 games out of 1st.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 08:47:05 AM
i think all this talk about cnu free throws is a little bit unnecessary. the real reason for the disappointing cnu season is their lack of defense and rebounding on the offensive end of the court. when a team gives up one second chance bucket after another to the opposition, while never getting any of their own, that is a sure recipe for disaster, even if they do outshoot their opponent. they just arent hustling at all times, its as simple as that. they dont fight for every possession, for every loose ball, for every missed shot. they seem to think that because of their talent, they will just score on their next possession, so the current missed opportunity isnt that important. against the better teams they know that their effort needs to be higher, so they DO play better. but against teams that they should dominate (sorry narch), they sleepwalk through the game thinking that their superior talent will pull it out for them.

so... why arent they playing harder? is it a lack of leadership? coaching? character? i think it is definitely the first two, and maybe a little bit of the 3rd.

go ahead and smite me, cnu fans. obviously ive lost a little bit of respect for the team this year. but you know what? i will still be at every game they play in the freeman this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 08:48:03 AM
matt coleman, where are you?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: exmonarchsid on January 30, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
I could not agree with you more, SU97... Jeremiah Lawrence may just be the best post player in the USA South with his aggressiveness and tenacity around the basket and in the paint, but where is the support? That, in my mind, is what has kept Shenandoah from getting over the hump and winning the USA South. When I was at Methodist when the Monarchs were making the run of three straight conference championships and two straight NCAA Tournament appearances, those teams had tremendous offensive balance... A different player would come up big each game, and that's why Methodist was so successful during that run. The same was true last season when Averett came out of nowhere and advanced to the championship game - they had balance. That's what it takes to be a championship team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 09:12:46 AM
Quote from: exmonarchsid on January 30, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
I could not agree with you more, SU97... Jeremiah Lawrence may just be the best post player in the USA South with his aggressiveness and tenacity around the basket and in the paint, but where is the support? That, in my mind, is what has kept Shenandoah from getting over the hump and winning the USA South. When I was at Methodist when the Monarchs were making the run of three straight conference championships and two straight NCAA Tournament appearances, those teams had tremendous offensive balance... A different player would come up big each game, and that's why Methodist was so successful during that run. The same was true last season when Averett came out of nowhere and advanced to the championship game - they had balance. That's what it takes to be a championship team.
how do you win three conference championships and only get 2 ncaa appearances out of it? isnt winning the conference an automatic qualifier to the dance?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2007, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 09:12:46 AMhow do you win three conference championships and only get 2 ncaa appearances out of it? isnt winning the conference an automatic qualifier to the dance?
the conference tournament establishes the aq...the monarchs were co-regular season champs with cnu in '03, but did not win the tourney and did not get a bid to the dance
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 10:27:36 AM
so
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
This will be the only nice thing I will ever say about CNU.  I don't think you can ever question a player's intensity.  They are a great offensive team and they are obviously intense on offense, or just better on offense and not good on defense. Good teams, consistent teams, whatever are either really good on offense or really good on defense.  If they are good in one catergory the ones that win championships are the ones that are about average in another catergory.  (I know narch will say I am comparing apple's to oranges, but hear me out)

Take the last couple of world series winners. It seems to follow this trend where the winner was great hitting team, but a average pitching team or vise versa. (Believe it or not the cardinals were average in both) ERA and Batting Avg ranks

2005 White Sox-A Top pitching team (4th), average hitting team (17th)
2004 Red Sox-A Great hitting team(2nd), average pitching team (11th)
2003  Marlins A average pitching team(14th), average hitting team(13th) (another average)
2002 Angels A great pitching team (4th) and a great hitting team (1st) (It took them seven games to win that one....hmmm)
2001 Diamondbacks great pitching (4th) better then average hitting (9th)
2000 Yankees better then average hitting(9th) and pitching (16th)

Its just a correlation not fact. This my theory and as you know I am full of crazy ideas.

I think being really good on one side of the ball is fine but you better be about average on the other side. I think and this is just me, but if you are really good on both sides, a bad game on either side will hurt a team.  For instance the 2001 Seattle Mariners 116-46 #1 ERA and #2 B avg.  They didn't even get out of the first round.  I think average allows for lee-way on either side.  I hope that makes sense.  It will all be in my book at b&n, which I will be signing today only in greensboro. (No I don't have a book really.)

Just take a look at every sport NFL, NHL, NBA, College Sports, you will see it.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 01:21:29 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
I don't think you can ever question a player's intensity. 
yes i can, and yes i do. you have to see it to understand. here is an example from our last home game; captains with the ball at the offensive end, the other team makes a steal and two of their guys streak up the court on a gfast break. theo baker goes after them and makes a GREAT, GREAT block of the layup. where are the rest of the captains? they are waiting at the other end of the court so they can be in position to go back on OFFENSE. they WATCHED. no one is there to help theo, so another cnu opponent is credited with an offensive rebound and a score.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2007, 01:57:46 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 12:22:21 PMGood teams, consistent teams, whatever are either really good on offense or really good on defense.  If they are good in one catergory the ones that win championships are the ones that are about average in another catergory.  

i don't necessarily disagree, but i would like to point out that if you were to apply this theory to the current usasac landscape, your pride are in trouble:

using conference only games the pride rank last in scoring offense (71.7 ppg), and ft's made, (su97...note that i didn't say dead last) while ranking a pedestrian 4th of 7 in ft% and fg% - they do rank 3rd in 3 fg % and 1st in 3 fg made, but on the whole, they are a below average offensive team especially when you consider the only stat that REALLY matters is scoring offense...now that gc defense is suffocating, leading the league by a wide margin in scoring defense (63.3 ppg) and leading the league in fg% defense, 3 fg% defense and ranking 2nd in steals, 3rd in reb margin and 4th in blocks - according to your theory, gc can be a good, consistent team but not a championship team because they are good in one catergory  but not even average in the other catergory ...we'll see if your theory is correct...i've always thought defense wins championships, in every sport

what are your thoughts pride1fan?  i always look forward to your thoughtful and in depth commentary on these issues...i'm sure you've got another nugget of wisdom ready for us all
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 30, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 29, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 29, 2007, 10:56:00 AM

* What else do you need?

It's hard to believe those guys have lost 7 games. What's the deal?

How about some Freakin' DEFENSE...maybe some more rebounds, especially when the opponent is significantly shorter! How about...going to the ball, blocking out, steals, being aggressive without the ball?

Need more?

No, I guess that's a reasonable explanation. Sounds like you're saying that basically, it's a lack of effort.

Coach Woolum has been there for several years, hasn't he? With their recent track record and a veteran coach, it's hard to believe he can't get such a talented bunch to play hard ...

Past Records
2006 20-8 (9-3)
2005 18-8 (8-4)
2004 15-11 (9-5)
2003 24-5 (12-2)

But I guess that must be the explanation ...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 30, 2007, 04:30:10 PM
not sure what it's a lack of.....other than a lack of defensive stats. One theory I have is that during one of the first games of the year (not sure if what the first game) CNU's big guys got into foul trouble early. Since the bench is not too deep with big guys, I think they might be a little too cautious in not wanting to get into foul trouble. Hence, the comment from Mensa "where are you Matt Coleman"!!!

Look back a few pages and see my post where I listed a bunch of NCAA D3 rankings in various categories. It CLEARLY shows CNU is very good on Offense and VERY bad on defense.

I doubt there is one or two specifics you can point to as to WHY.....it's more of a "it is what it is" situation. I can remember year after year various posters to this forum comment about a "lack of offensive rebounds", "follow your shot", etc. Since that has impacted teams over many years with diffeent players, you could come to the conclusion that offensive rebounds are not emphasized by the coaching staff. But even that doesn't make sense. How many good coaching staffs win as many games as CNU over the years with the attititude of, "ok guys, go back out there, play hard, and eh don't worry about offensive boards"?

The good part about it is this - I posted the comments about not playing D and there is now about 2 pages on this board of basketball chat! Kinda neat how that works.

I hope I have a typo or two above....just to keep Narch engaged!! (uh oh...here comes a witty comment about girlfriends and a wife and kids, etc)  :D

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 30, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 29, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: old_lion on January 29, 2007, 10:56:00 AM

* What else do you need?

It's hard to believe those guys have lost 7 games. What's the deal?

How about some Freakin' DEFENSE...maybe some more rebounds, especially when the opponent is significantly shorter! How about...going to the ball, blocking out, steals, being aggressive without the ball?

Need more?

No, I guess that's a reasonable explanation. Sounds like you're saying that basically, it's a lack of effort.

Coach Woolum has been there for several years, hasn't he? With their recent track record and a veteran coach, it's hard to believe he can't get such a talented bunch to play hard ...

Past Records
2006 20-8 (9-3)
2005 18-8 (8-4)
2004 15-11 (9-5)
2003 24-5 (12-2)

But I guess that must be the explanation ...

cnu85 might not come right out and say it, but i will. a lack of effort IS the problem. i saw the team we trotted out there last year. i was IN AWE if the team we had last year. and you know what? they are almost the same guys. we lost romeo, who was very good, but I think that theo has stepped in very admirably to replace him. theo is NOT who im saying lacks effort this year. something has happened to these guys, and whatever that something was, it has caused them to repeatedly "phone it in" on game day this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 30, 2007, 04:30:10 PM
Since the bench is not too deep with big guys, I think they might be a little too cautious in not wanting to get into foul trouble. Hence, the comment from Mensa "where are you Matt Coleman"!!!
being big (tall) is only a small part of it. matt coleman played his heart out every time he stepped out onto the court. relentlessly. he had guts and courage, and that more than made up for any lack of talent he might have. i want him back because his on-court work ethic might rub off on the guys we have remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
Take the last couple of world series winners. It seems to follow this trend where the winner was great hitting team, but a average pitching team or vise versa. (Believe it or not the cardinals were average in both) ERA and Batting Avg ranks

2005 White Sox-A Top pitching team (4th), average hitting team (17th)
2004 Red Sox-A Great hitting team(2nd), average pitching team (11th)
2003  Marlins A average pitching team(14th), average hitting team(13th) (another average)
2002 Angels A great pitching team (4th) and a great hitting team (1st) (It took them seven games to win that one....hmmm)
2001 Diamondbacks great pitching (4th) better then average hitting (9th)
2000 Yankees better then average hitting(9th) and pitching (16th)

Its just a correlation not fact. This my theory and as you know I am full of crazy ideas.

I think being really good on one side of the ball is fine but you better be about average on the other side. I think and this is just me, but if you are really good on both sides, a bad game on either side will hurt a team.  For instance the 2001 Seattle Mariners 116-46 #1 ERA and #2 B avg.  They didn't even get out of the first round.  I think average allows for lee-way on either side.  I hope that makes sense. 
i think someone really, really misses the boys of summer. does "PrideSportBBallGuy" really mean "PrideSportBaseBallGuy?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
Take the last couple of world series winners. It seems to follow this trend where the winner was great hitting team, but a average pitching team or vise versa. (Believe it or not the cardinals were average in both) ERA and Batting Avg ranks

2005 White Sox-A Top pitching team (4th), average hitting team (17th)
2004 Red Sox-A Great hitting team(2nd), average pitching team (11th)
2003  Marlins A average pitching team(14th), average hitting team(13th) (another average)
2002 Angels A great pitching team (4th) and a great hitting team (1st) (It took them seven games to win that one....hmmm)
2001 Diamondbacks great pitching (4th) better then average hitting (9th)
2000 Yankees better then average hitting(9th) and pitching (16th)

Its just a correlation not fact. This my theory and as you know I am full of crazy ideas.

I think being really good on one side of the ball is fine but you better be about average on the other side. I think and this is just me, but if you are really good on both sides, a bad game on either side will hurt a team.  For instance the 2001 Seattle Mariners 116-46 #1 ERA and #2 B avg.  They didn't even get out of the first round.  I think average allows for lee-way on either side.  I hope that makes sense. 
i think someone really, really misses the boys of summer. does "PrideSportBBallGuy" really mean "PrideSportBaseBallGuy?

nota-
Incorrect its not baseball.  Incorrect I don't miss it. I will watch my team play (The Orioles) but will refuse to go see another game at camden yards until Peter Angelos sells the team.  A rumor went by that Cal Ripken Jr, wanted to buy the team and Angelos the worst owner in baseball says he's not selling.  I guess 8 or 9 or 10 straight losing seasons is really good these days.

Narch-I always say that defense wins championships.  So based on that you think gc will in it.

Though the St. Louis Rams did win the Super Bowl without a defense. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 07:17:28 PM
its too bad that no one on the usasac board is talking about top-25 anymore. im sure that wont change since we all seem to be beating each other up in the conference schedule. i guess we will have to break back into the top-25 by way of the ncaa tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 07:19:05 PM
hey, where is the mongoose? are you out there, great smiter of cobras?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 07:25:24 PM
another thing that has been troubling me of late... why arent there more dunks in the freeman? i see our guys warming up by soaring above the rim, but we never see any dumks. i
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 07:17:28 PM
its too bad that no one on the usasac board is talking about top-25 anymore. im sure that wont change since we all seem to be beating each other up in the conference schedule. i guess we will have to break back into the top-25 by way of the ncaa tourney.

We don't have a legit top-25 squad in the conference right now. Maybe, if one of the top three schools can sweep the second half, and take the conference tournament... then they might get ranked. There are too many teams out there with 3-4 losses with decent schedules across the nation. Our guys fighting it out in the first half of conference play doesn't help...   Our top teams have 5,6 & 7 losses, respectfully.  Only one team in the top-25 has as many as 6 losses.
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2007, 08:53:09 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
Narch-I always say that defense wins championships. 
well, not always...earlier you said that a team that has a good offense only needs to have an average defense :)

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 05:06:45 PM
So based on that you think gc will in it.
i think gc is clearly in the drivers seat because of the way they defend, yes - look back at the run the monarchs made a few years back...they were one of the best defensive teams in the conference and the cnu teams that won conference championships before the monarchs were no slouches either...

i wonder what pride1fan thinks about this subject...any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: narch on January 30, 2007, 08:53:09 PMi think gc is clearly in the drivers seat because of the way they defend, yes - look back at the run the monarchs made a few years back...they were one of the best defensive teams in the conference and the cnu teams that won conference championships before the monarchs were no slouches either...

This may sound odd, but if Averett is back to full strength they might have the best schedule to take it all.  I've always thought that schedules make a difference.  They have CNU and GC both in Danville - whereas CNU has a three game stint at NCWC, AU and FC.  GC finishes by travelling to CNU and has AU next in Danville. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: averetthoops on January 29, 2007, 12:16:48 PM
Averett had a good win against NCW on Saturday - the 3 balls seem to fall a little better than in recent games!  It seems like our interior guys went to the boards better than they did over the last 4-5 games.  We have been outrebounded consistently, especially with the opposition getting easy put backs. Our bigs have to be more aggressive in going for the ball!

This is a huge week for us.  The Ferrum game will not be easy, especially since we have to go up there!  Then we have G'boro on Saturday at home.  Our trip up there was one of the ugliest games I've seen us play this season but we should have everyone back for the first time in over a month.

We're lucky to have G'boro, CNU and SU for home games but we have to go to Methodist and NCW on the road. 

I thought I saw this before, found it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 09:10:40 PM
I think Greensboro will win Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2007, 09:12:34 PM
this is a story about monarch women's player stacy williams (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253229), but i thought some of you might enjoy reading the article anyway (and i figured you probably wouldn't venture into the women's posting board to find it) - her dad is former harlem globetrotter, tracy williams - stacy scored her 1000th career point this past weekend and is averaging 15.9 ppg for the season
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 09:20:58 PM
Nice. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 09:10:40 PM
I think Greensboro will win Wednesday.
please, illuminate us with more of your knowledge...prove to us that greensboro fans can actually type, spell, use correct homonyms and type more than one sentence of lucent thought

i hope to one day obtain one percent of your knowledge of basketball, life......and tools
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 09:20:58 PM
Nice. ;)
What's up with this?  43 words in 17 posts.  Nota and PSBBG, I'm new, I need some statistical analysis here. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 30, 2007, 09:47:16 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 07:19:05 PM
hey, where is the mongoose? are you out there, great smiter of cobras?!

Im here, Ive been following the board the past few days without posting. Been dealing with a death in the family.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 09:51:35 PM
sorry to hear that, rtt. go take care of whats really important.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 09:55:01 PM
Quote from: narch on January 30, 2007, 09:12:34 PM
this is a story about monarch women's player stacy williams (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253229), but i thought some of you might enjoy reading the article anyway (and i figured you probably wouldn't venture into the women's posting board to find it) - her dad is former harlem globetrotter, tracy williams - stacy scored her 1000th career point this past weekend and is averaging 15.9 ppg for the season

great story. radmanevich is a lucky guy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 10:04:17 PM


i hope to one day obtain one percent of your knowledge of basketball, life......and tools
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Maybe you could come to the game and sit with me and we can talk about life.......and tools
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 09:20:58 PM
Nice. ;)
What's up with this?  43 words in 17 posts.  Nota and PSBBG, I'm new, I need some statistical analysis here. 

SU97-
Here is the breakdown.  43 words in 17 posts means consise points.  Grammar wouldn't be a problem.  Lower risk of spelling words wrong.  A  -16 karma, probably means pridefan has nothing good to say.  (Although I am at -9, I am not too sure about that, if pridefan is at -16.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 30, 2007, 10:13:49 PM
i like the cnu schedule for the 2nd half. it could be easier, of course, but it could be a lot tougher.

home – su, mu, gc
away – ncw, au, fc

im glad we get gc & mu in newport news. i think we can take the 3 at home, although gc will be out for revenge. the ncw & au games are going to be tough, especially the au game. i think we can avenge the losses to the bishops and panthers. if we can go 4-2 in the 2nd half i think we have a great chance to take the #1 seed and 1st round bye. our wins against au and gc should help us in any tie-breaker situation.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 09:20:58 PM
Nice. ;)
What's up with this?  43 words in 17 posts.  Nota and PSBBG, I'm new, I need some statistical analysis here. 

SU97-
Here is the breakdown.  43 words in 17 posts means consise points.  Grammar wouldn't be a problem.  Lower risk of spelling words wrong.  A  -16 karma, probably means pridefan has nothing good to say.  (Although I am at -9, I am not too sure about that, if pridefan is at -16.)
I already have a gun, so this site just provides the proverbial fish in the barrel.   I normally hesitate to use it, but there are times when it simply demands to be fired.  With that in mind, here's a further breakdown:

"SU97-
Here is the breakdown.  (I suggest the use of ":" instead of a period.)   43 (A sentence should never start with a number, so "Forty three" is better.) words in 17 posts means consise (concise) points.  Grammar wouldn't be a problem.  Lower risk of spelling words wrong (There is no verb, so this is not a complete sentence.  Also, "incorrectly" would be a better choice than "wrong".).  A  -16 karma, (This comma is not needed.) probably means pridefan has nothing good to say (The words are grammatically suspect, but are perhaps transparently true nonetheless.).  (Although I am at -9, I am not too sure about that, (Again, this comma is also not needed.) if pridefan is at -16.)"

I'm just messing around with you guys, but where is your expected skill as college level writers?  As Emeril would say, "Let's kick it up a notch!  Bam!" 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 30, 2007, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 30, 2007, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 30, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 30, 2007, 09:20:58 PM
Nice. ;)
What's up with this?  43 words in 17 posts.  Nota and PSBBG, I'm new, I need some statistical analysis here. 

SU97-
Here is the breakdown.  43 words in 17 posts means consise points.  Grammar wouldn't be a problem.  Lower risk of spelling words wrong.  A  -16 karma, probably means pridefan has nothing good to say.  (Although I am at -9, I am not too sure about that, if pridefan is at -16.)
I already have a gun, so this site just provides the proverbial fish in the barrel.   I normally hesitate to use it, but there are times when it simply demands to be fired.  With that in mind, here's a further breakdown:

"SU97-
Here is the breakdown.  (I suggest the use of ":" instead of a period.)   43 (A sentence should never start with a number, so "Forty three" is better.) words in 17 posts means consise (concise) points.  Grammar wouldn't be a problem.  Lower risk of spelling words wrong (There is no verb, so this is not a complete sentence.  Also, "incorrectly" would be a better choice than "wrong".).  A  -16 karma, (This comma is not needed.) probably means pridefan has nothing good to say (The words are grammatically suspect, but are perhaps transparently true nonetheless.).  (Although I am at -9, I am not too sure about that, (Again, this comma is also not needed.) if pridefan is at -16.)"

I'm just messing around with you guys, but where is your expected skill as college level writers?  As Emeril would say, "Let's kick it up a notch!  Bam!" 


ok a bit much, but what am I to do. Though nova if you run my statement through grammar check on microsoft word.  Your breakdown is too much:


SU97-
Here is the breakdown.  43 words in 17 posts means consise(concise) points.  Grammar wouldn't be a problem.  Lower risk of spelling words wrong. (Not a sentence)  A  -16 karma,(comma not needed, but there is no such thing as over using them) probably means pridefan has nothing good to say.  (Although I am at -9, I am not too sure about that, if pridefan is at -16.) (Corrected using Miscrosoft Word grammar check.)

Nova if you are quoting me then it would probably be a block quote ;). You didn't even cite your source.  I am not sure which format you were using MLA or the other. (I don't even know what the other way is called.  I have never used it.)

(You may have quoted back to what I wrote, but you didn't cite in what you typed.) ;D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 05:21:12 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 12:10:51 AM
(You may have quoted back to what I wrote, but you didn't cite in what you typed.) ;D ;)

Make that minus-10, then.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 08:43:50 AM
Minus 11 and counting!!  :D :D ;D :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 09:25:15 AM
Citing Pridesportbballfan, "ok a bit much, but what am I to do. Though nova if you run my statement through grammar check on microsoft word.  Your breakdown is too much:"

Hasanova says, "Artificial intelligence is only a supplement to the human mind, not a substitute.  The acquired knowledge and honed logic of a healthy human mind have never been fully replicated in an electronic format.  With that in mind, I sometimes use electronic aids, but I always remain my primary reference for spelling, grammar and style."

If you want a little avuncular (pausing while some readers check the dictionary) advice, I sincerely recommend you do not pursue a grammar, spelling, composition and vocabulary contest with me.  lol  Cut your losses and have a beer.  :)  Plus one karma from me for being a good sport, which at the time of this post gets you "up" to -11!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 09:25:15 AM

avuncular (pausing while some readers check the dictionary)

I'm too lazy to look it up. Besides, I like not knowing some things. It keeps me humble!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 09:25:15 AM

avuncular (pausing while some readers check the dictionary)

I'm too lazy to look it up. Besides, I like not knowing some things. It keeps me humble!
Thanks for a good laugh.  lol  You made my day.  A karma for you as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 10:46:11 AM
I am going to have to summarize what I was about to post. (I hit the back button the middle of posting my reply.)

This karma thing is a mystery to me.  I want someone to explain it to me.  Posts are about varying opinions it is what keeps these board active.  The rate I am going I am going to have to be like pridefan1, with just smiley's as posts.

Smiley's offer nothing to grammar.  They agree or disagree with Pat Coleman without too much opinion.  They sure make posting alot easier.  Problem is that isn't me.  I get smited for running my mouth on the football board, I come here take a fairly neutral apporach to basketball(I think mostly when I post my own rankings on the top 25 board)and get smited even more.

Mr. Hasanova I have always found you has a top of the barrel in terms of posting.  I met you and thought you were a decent respectable person.  I kind of wished there were more posters like you on here.  (The rest of the Greensboro posters have negative karma) Most of our posts have either been jokes or respect towards each other's school.  I took that post to be a joke and was returning with one. I don't want to battle anybody with grammar.

I think Narch, and I have a mutal understanding that we just disagree on just about everything.  Which of course I think is healthy for this board.

I may not like CNU, but i respect the fans.  They come out in huge numbers at home events and on boards.  Unlike Greensboro where, people hardly show up to anyting.

I have respect for every poster whether they have 1 post or 100,000 posts.  Probably why I have only smited one person. (I think once I reach 1,000 posts it will still be one person)

Finally, nova I don't need an uncles(yes, I didn't even need a dictionary) advice I have 9 uncles. I get plenty of advice and even more advice of things that can't be posted here.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 31, 2007, 10:52:07 AM
Grammer, smiting ... YAWN ...  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 10:46:11 AM

This karma thing is a mystery to me.  I want someone to explain it to me. 



It's simple - who cares?! In fact, I usually will smite someone if I knwo that the whole Karma thing matters to them. Even if I like the guy, if I find out that Karma is really important to him - as Emeril would say, "BAM".  I almost never know what my Karma level is - don't really care if it's negative or positive.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 03:15:58 PM
I've found that someone complaining about their karma tends to get smited. There are a lot of people who feel similar to CNU85 (though probably more mildly -- I don't know too many people who would smite someone every time they see them; more people would smite every time someone complains about getting smited).

Explain it? If you're concerned about your karma falling BBallGuy, maybe you should look at the tone of your posts in the Top 25 room. I'd be willing to bet you've rubbed some people the wrong way.

Old lion is smarting about his privileges being taken away. I think that when someone comes on the board solely to smite someone and not to post, that's an abuse of the privilege. I would hope someone could write a plug-in to this software to regulate that but in the absence of it, I'll be glad to.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Pat,

It's all fun! We all need to keep things in perspective. This is a forum to talk about very young men bouncing a ball around and throwing it into a round metal hoop to get more points than the other young men. And these guys do it for fun - not because the NBA scouts are in the stands and not because it pays for their tuition and books!

It's all entertainment and fun and I'm glad that this forum exists - where else can a guy go to smite someone for the heck of it and read big words like avuncular - all in one place?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 03:28:30 PM
I don't go to other hoops boards very often. For those of you who do - are the grammar police as bad as they are on this board?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 03:36:39 PM
Pridesportbballguy - You're cool with me!  I'm really glad I got to meet you at the Soup Bowl last fall.  You're an active and interesting poster, so keep it up.  As you and some of the other posters get to know me better, you'll realize I have a very dry sense of humor, but I accept the premise that things I find humorous may not be taken in that context.

I follow Greensboro's and the USASAC's sports almost as closely as I follow Guilford's and the ODAC's, so I enjoy posting in both sites.  Just realize I have a long-standing reputation as a harmless smart-aleck and we'll all have fun!

Good luck to you and the Pride! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 31, 2007, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 03:36:39 PM
Pridesportbballguy - You're cool with me!  I'm really glad I got to meet you at the Soup Bowl last fall.  You're an active and interesting poster, so keep it up.  As you and some of the other posters get to know me better, you'll realize I have a very dry sense of humor, but I accept the premise that things I find humorous may not be taken in that context.

I follow Greensboro's and the USASAC's sports almost as closely as I follow Guilford's and the ODAC's, so I enjoy posting in both sites.  Just realize I have a long-standing reputation as a harmless smart-aleck and we'll all have fun!

Good luck to you and the Pride! 

We thank you for your support hasanova.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 31, 2007, 03:53:09 PM
and since youre an orioles fan youre ok with me too. you will get a plus1 from me after i have a couple more posts under my belt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 04:14:37 PM
Pat
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2007, 03:15:58 PM
Explain it? If you're concerned about your karma falling BBallGuy, maybe you should look at the tone of your posts in the Top 25 room. I'd be willing to bet you've rubbed some people the wrong way.

I just post my rankings which have been up there the last 3 weeks.  I come back to see a reply and nothing (except a smite and no post) I don't really care about the karma as long as someone explains to me how I rubbed them the wrong way.  You can smite me all you want, i don't care as long as I know why.  I am a very reasonable optimistic person.  I trust that no one is using the karma thing the wrong way.

Nova-
I read some of your posts and am well aware from the time I have been here that you have a dry sense of humor.  I tend to have one too.  Just in person not here, not yet.  Not until I get my post numbers up.  I know I would rub some people the wrong way.

nota-
good.  +1 for you. This is fact about the O's few years ago before the losing seasons. They ran some period of time ,10 season or something.  (I think in the late 80's early to mid-90's.) They had the 2nd record in baseball for numerous years.  Most of them if not all of them before Peter Angelos
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Now its making me wonder,  What are all of the d3 basketball "rivalries?"  I am not too sure how many of the rivalries are like greensboro and guilford.  Guilford being the county, and greensboro being the city.  How many of the "rivalries" are that close and have a city, county, are name? Maybe in all of college basketball.  Pat maybe you know.  I just find it very interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 31, 2007, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Now its making me wonder,  What are all of the d3 basketball "rivalries?"  I am not too sure how many of the rivalries are like greensboro and guilford.  Guilford being the county, and greensboro being the city.  How many of the "rivalries" are that close and have a city, county, are name? Maybe in all of college basketball.  Pat maybe you know.  I just find it very interesting.

That is a very interesting thought Pride. That would be a fact that we might need to look up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 04:54:48 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Now its making me wonder,  What are all of the d3 basketball "rivalries?"  I am not too sure how many of the rivalries are like greensboro and guilford.  Guilford being the county, and greensboro being the city.  How many of the "rivalries" are that close and have a city, county, are name? Maybe in all of college basketball.  Pat maybe you know.  I just find it very interesting.
When I worked for John Deere, I used to travel to Dubuque, IA from time to time.  I always found the Loras College/University of Dubuque intracity DIII rivalry to be interesting.  Besides the Dubuque pair and Guilford/Greensboro, I'll have to pull out a map and think about it some.  I like that question!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 31, 2007, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Now its making me wonder,  What are all of the d3 basketball "rivalries?"  I am not too sure how many of the rivalries are like greensboro and guilford.  Guilford being the county, and greensboro being the city.  How many of the "rivalries" are that close and have a city, county, are name? Maybe in all of college basketball.  Pat maybe you know.  I just find it very interesting.
i asked a similar question earlier this year. i wanted to know if there was a school that had a long-standing or a particularly heated rivalry with cnu. i was told that because of the relative youth of the school there were no strong rivalries with other schools. thats too bad, really. i think that the heated rivalries like cowboys/redskins are a lot of fun for all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 31, 2007, 05:23:08 PM
game time is about 2 hours away. go captains, smite those hornets! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 31, 2007, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: notamensa on January 31, 2007, 05:20:07 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 04:26:20 PM
Now its making me wonder,  What are all of the d3 basketball "rivalries?"  I am not too sure how many of the rivalries are like greensboro and guilford.  Guilford being the county, and greensboro being the city.  How many of the "rivalries" are that close and have a city, county, are name? Maybe in all of college basketball.  Pat maybe you know.  I just find it very interesting.
i asked a similar question earlier this year. i wanted to know if there was a team that, as a cnu student, i was supposed to particularly dislike. i wanted to know if there was a school that had a long-standing or a particularly heated rivalry with cnu. i was told that because of the relative youth of the school there were no strong rivalries with other schools. thats too bad, really. i think that the heated rivalries like cowboys/redskins are a lot of fun for all.

You're the state school in the group... so everybody else hates CNU. 

No seriously, from our perspective (fully understanding that we might not even pop up on your radar for a rivalry)  CNU was always the team to beat.  Back in the early 1990's when CNU had some great hoops teams we were able to make a run and tie you guys for a conference title.  Since then there's been some bad blood at times at hoops games (and yes, I realize that we, historically, have about a .300 winning % against you) and then when you guys added football and we had a few close games, that added to make it a bit of a focal point for SU. Not sure if CNU sees it that way at all.

You would think that we would take Bridgewater or some other closer VA school and create some type of rivalry but I think our geographic location keeps us from having that within the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 31, 2007, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: SU97 link=topic=4195.msg665035#msg665035 date=1170283995

/quote]
You would think that we would take Bridgewater or some other closer VA school and create some type of rivalry but I think our geographic location keeps us from having that within the conference.

Let me quickly clarify - that would be a rivalry in all sports with someone like Bridgewater - NOT JUST FOOTBALL.  We still have a ways to go there...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 09:06:23 PM
SU97-

I agree with you.  CNU is the state school.  We hate them. haha. I really don't know to be honest.  I think VA Wesleyan would be a CNU rival.  Could throw out Newport New Aprentince-CNU, but that really isn't a "rival".  In conference though CNU would have to be one of the VA schools.  The only one that really comes to mind is SU.

AU fans treat GC has a rival, but what's a rival defined.

RIVAL-person who is competing for the same object or goal as another, or who tries to equal or outdo another; competitor (dictionary.com.)

That's just one definition.  Based on that every team, every school is a rival.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2007, 09:09:21 PM
looks like the pride are going to get the "w" against the monarchs...wonder when the last time they went 2-0 in the regular season vs. the monarchs was

nice win for the pride
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 31, 2007, 09:24:29 PM
Hornets get smoked by CNU tonight.  Sounded like Blasingame had a monster game on defense.  I would be interested to know what CNU shot from 3pt, I think they were shooting 80% at halftime...   Also sounded like Barton had a big game again against us.  The radio guys were constantly talking about him. Typical night for the hornets, down by 10 for most of the night, just glad to hear the guys didn't quit. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 31, 2007, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 09:06:23 PM
SU97-

I agree with you.  CNU is the state school.  We hate them. haha. I really don't know to be honest.  I think VA Wesleyan would be a CNU rival.  Could throw out Newport New Aprentince-CNU, but that really isn't a "rival".  In conference though CNU would have to be one of the VA schools.  The only one that really comes to mind is SU.

AU fans treat GC has a rival, but what's a rival defined.

RIVAL-person who is competing for the same object or goal as another, or who tries to equal or outdo another; competitor (dictionary.com.)

That's just one definition.  Based on that every team, every school is a rival.

You know I entirely forgot about VWC. I would imagine that would be the most logical choice.  The guys from "the other side of the water" would be it, except Wesleyan doesn't have football.  It would be a quality ODAC-USASAC rivalry in hoops and other sports.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 09:58:51 PM
I think I may have said it before.  I think there should be an ODAC-USASAC challenge. I even e-mailed the commissioner of the ODAC last year about it.  The response was it wouldn't work out.  Seasons are started with tip-off tournaments and then ODAC would be in conference play already.  That was the response I got.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2007, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 09:25:15 AM

avuncular (pausing while some readers check the dictionary)

I'm too lazy to look it up. Besides, I like not knowing some things. It keeps me humble!

avuncular--...

It is quite simple.

Copy "avuncular".
Click on a bookmarked "www.dictionary.com".
Paste it in the Search box.
Read the answer.
Copy and paste as needed.

You'll look like you are as smart as those guys over on the ODAC board.  :D ;) :D ;D 8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on January 31, 2007, 10:18:56 PM
su...cnu shot 71% from 3-point range.  No quit in your Hornets though.  There will be no "give-me's" in the conference tournament...have to bring it every night.  Tough year for your guys with all the injuries....good luck the rest of the way.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on January 31, 2007, 10:41:56 PM
ok, im going to stop complaining about cnu not getting offensive rebounds. tonight i paid particular attention to what cnu does when one of their own takes a shot. heres what i discovered... drumroll please... they BACK AWAY FROM THE BASKET AND IMMEDIATELY START TOWARD THE OTHER END OF THE COURT. they make no attempt to go after off rebounds, just as i suspected.  the reason that im not going to complain about it anymore is that this must be the coachs strategy. blasingame was the only player to go after off rebounds, and i think he did so because that was the only way that he was going to become involved in the offense. su had nothing for blasingame, no one that could even hope to contain him, but we couldnt seem to get him the ball. barton had a great game offensively, as did seldon. and heres a prediction regarding theo baker; he is going to be a GREAT player for cnu. not a very good one, a great one. he hustles and shoots so well. his defense is getting better and hes going inside much better than he did earlier in the year. and does anyone think that he looks bigger than he did early in the season? last comment... the starters and guys that play regularly must HATE the last 6 or 7 guys on the bench. i think that must be why every game is close. they dont want them to get to play. just a theory. those last 6-7 guys most be really frustrated. we have a couple of guys that have only played 6 minutes ALL YEAR!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 09:58:51 PM
I think I may have said it before.  I think there should be an ODAC-USASAC challenge. I even e-mailed the commissioner of the ODAC last year about it.  The response was it wouldn't work out.  Seasons are started with tip-off tournaments and then ODAC would be in conference play already.  That was the response I got.


The ODAC is pretty big and they play a full double round-robin so there aren't a lot of open dates to play with.

85 -- I don't frequent a lot of boards either. I think the academic focus of D-III lends itself to grammar police. Plus I'm a copy editor by trade, so I do not at all discourage proper use of the language. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 01, 2007, 01:04:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 09:58:51 PM
I think I may have said it before.  I think there should be an ODAC-USASAC challenge. I even e-mailed the commissioner of the ODAC last year about it.  The response was it wouldn't work out.  Seasons are started with tip-off tournaments and then ODAC would be in conference play already.  That was the response I got.


The ODAC is pretty big and they play a full double round-robin so there aren't a lot of open dates to play with.

85 -- I don't frequent a lot of boards either. I think the academic focus of D-III lends itself to grammar police. Plus I'm a copy editor by trade, so I do not at all discourage proper use of the language. :)

Yeah I realize that too.  We play them enough times already in just normal games.  We play them total of what maybe 17 times.  That's 17 games out of the schedule.  All is needed is 7 games for the 7 teams in the USASAC.  I am not quite sure of the distance in miles but which region covers the most miles in terms of distance between teams.  Where is the south region in that mix?  There are alot of games played between the ODAC and USASAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 31, 2007, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 03:36:39 PM
Pridesportbballguy - You're cool with me!  I'm really glad I got to meet you at the Soup Bowl last fall.  You're an active and interesting poster, so keep it up.  As you and some of the other posters get to know me better, you'll realize I have a very dry sense of humor, but I accept the premise that things I find humorous may not be taken in that context.

I follow Greensboro's and the USASAC's sports almost as closely as I follow Guilford's and the ODAC's, so I enjoy posting in both sites.  Just realize I have a long-standing reputation as a harmless smart-aleck and we'll all have fun!

Good luck to you and the Pride! 

We thank you for your support hasanova.
You're welcome.  I saw some clips of the Pride/Monarchs game on Fox8 last night.  Congratulations to GCP.  I'm going to look at your schedule and if there's not a conflict with a Guilford game, I'm going to drop by Hanes Gym.  "Thank you for your support" reminds me of the old Bartles and Jaymes ads if any of you are old enough to remember those.  :)  Yeah, I know, I'm old ...  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 10:12:05 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2007, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on January 31, 2007, 09:58:51 PM
I think I may have said it before.  I think there should be an ODAC-USASAC challenge. I even e-mailed the commissioner of the ODAC last year about it.  The response was it wouldn't work out.  Seasons are started with tip-off tournaments and then ODAC would be in conference play already.  That was the response I got.


The ODAC is pretty big and they play a full double round-robin so there aren't a lot of open dates to play with.

85 -- I don't frequent a lot of boards either. I think the academic focus of D-III lends itself to grammar police. Plus I'm a copy editor by trade, so I do not at all discourage proper use of the language. :)

There once was a guy in the slammer.
The Police - had lowered the hammer!
He's seven feet tall,
On the court, has a ball!
But on paper, he fouls out with grammar!

Just a little good-natured fun, guys!  Keep it loose, but make your college proud.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 10:12:05 AM
  Keep it loose, but make your college proud.  :)



University - ha...I gottya!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:30:32 PM
Not sure what to say about the last game.....saw good things and some not so good. We're in trouble come tournament time.....too many games lumped together. Our guys get tired, only 6-7 play a game with any significant time.

PUT IN #24!!!!!    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2007, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 09:25:15 AM

avuncular (pausing while some readers check the dictionary)

I'm too lazy to look it up. Besides, I like not knowing some things. It keeps me humble!

avuncular--...

It is quite simple.

Copy "avuncular".
Click on a bookmarked "www.dictionary.com".
Paste it in the Search box.
Read the answer.
Copy and paste as needed.

You'll look like you are as smart as those guys over on the ODAC board.  :D ;) :D ;D 8)

Lazy - adjective 1. averse or disinclined to work, activity, or exertion; indolent. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on February 01, 2007, 01:07:59 PM
AU managed to win a tough road game at Ferrum last night.  We were down by 12 at one point early in the second half.  Our big man, Brown, was able to score a lot of points in the last eight minutes of the game.  We only missed one player last night due to injury, but we're supposed to have everyone ready for Saturday.  I've copied the article from Averett's website below.

We're only one game out of first and G'boro comes to the Grant Center on Saturday.  It is a must win for us.  I hope the guys have gotten over the beating we took at G'boro a few weeks earlier.

http://www.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=790
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 10:12:05 AM
  Keep it loose, but make your college proud.  :)



University - ha...I gottya!  ;D
Well, "college" was a generic term intended to cover all institutions of higher learning, but I see your point, CNU85.  lol  Let's rephase:

"Keep it loose, but make your college (or university or school or institute or seminary or academy or ecole or escuela or apprentice program or any other generally recognized moniker for an educational body supplying advanced learning beyond the high school level) proud!  :)  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 10:12:05 AM
  Keep it loose, but make your college proud.  :)



University - ha...I gottya!  ;D
Well, "college" was a generic term intended to cover all institutions of higher learning, but I see your point, CNU85.  lol  Let's rephase:

"Keep it loose, but make your college (or university or school or institute or seminary or academy or ecole or escuela or apprentice program or any other generally recognized moniker for an educational body supplying advanced learning beyond the high school level) proud!  :)  

Oh Dang.....now I gotta go look up ecole and escuela. I think I dated a girl from Ecuador named Escuela...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2007, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2007, 10:13:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 31, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 31, 2007, 09:25:15 AM

avuncular (pausing while some readers check the dictionary)

I'm too lazy to look it up. Besides, I like not knowing some things. It keeps me humble!

avuncular--...

It is quite simple.

Copy "avuncular".
Click on a bookmarked "www.dictionary.com".
Paste it in the Search box.
Read the answer.
Copy and paste as needed.

You'll look like you are as smart as those guys over on the ODAC board.  :D ;) :D ;D 8)

Lazy - adjective 1. averse or disinclined to work, activity, or exertion; indolent. 

CNU 85,  :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 10:12:05 AM
  Keep it loose, but make your college proud.  :)



University - ha...I gottya!  ;D
Well, "college" was a generic term intended to cover all institutions of higher learning, but I see your point, CNU85.  lol  Let's rephase:

"Keep it loose, but make your college (or university or school or institute or seminary or academy or ecole or escuela or apprentice program or any other generally recognized moniker for an educational body supplying advanced learning beyond the high school level) proud!  :)  

Oh Dang.....now I gotta go look up ecole and escuela. I think I dated a girl from Ecuador named Escuela...
Again, withdrawing otherwise interest-free information from the "old" memory bank, perhaps you and other posters remember Garrett Morris' character Chico Escuela from SNL.  "Besbol been bery, bery good to me!"  His redundant dilemma came when his hometown decided to name a school in his honor, which was, of course, The Chico Escuela Escuela.  As they would say at a French ecole, that's "bon bon."  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:01:24 PM
bon bon.......n. something you eat.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:02:08 PM
and I remember that SNL skit......yikes!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 01, 2007, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:02:08 PM
and I remember that SNL skit......yikes!!!

I don't.  That must make you really old.  You and Mr Hasanova.  ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:01:24 PM
bon bon.......n. something you eat.
... which got it's name because it is "good good."  That little bon mot and about $4 and you can buy a latte at Starbucks.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:02:08 PM
and I remember that SNL skit......yikes!!!
Yep, it's official:  we're both old!  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 01, 2007, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:02:08 PM
and I remember that SNL skit......yikes!!!
I don't.  That must make you really old.  You and Mr Hasanova.  ;) :D
I prefer the word "experienced," but yes, I am.  lol  Chico Escuela can probably be googled, but I'm sure his baseball cleats and glove were hand-crafted with pre-Columbian leather.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:41:18 PM
hmmm......maybe that wasn't the name of the girl I dated once....I'm so old, I can't remember stuff......oh...I know ...it was Roseann Roseanna Dana
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 01, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 10:12:05 AM
  Keep it loose, but make your college proud.  :)



University - ha...I gottya!  ;D
Well, "college" was a generic term intended to cover all institutions of higher learning, but I see your point, CNU85.  lol  Let's rephase:

"Keep it loose, but make your college (or university or school or institute or seminary or academy or ecole or escuela or apprentice program or any other generally recognized moniker for an educational body supplying advanced learning beyond the high school level) proud!  :)  
ok, now youre just showing off. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 01, 2007, 04:04:00 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2007, 03:41:18 PM
hmmm......maybe that wasn't the name of the girl I dated once....I'm so old, I can't remember stuff......oh...I know ...it was Roseann Roseanna Dana
Yeah, forgetfulness and old age.  "It just goes to show ya - it's always somethin'!"
Or as Emily Litella would say, "Old timers disease.  Why would anyone want to eliminate old timers?"
News anchor:  "Uh, Emily, that's Alzheimer's Disease, not Old Timers Disease."
Emily: "Oh.  Never mind."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on February 02, 2007, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: averetthoops on February 01, 2007, 01:07:59 PM
AU managed to win a tough road game at Ferrum last night.  We were down by 12 at one point early in the second half.  Our big man, Brown, was able to score a lot of points in the last eight minutes of the game.  We only missed one player last night due to injury, but we're supposed to have everyone ready for Saturday.  I've copied the article from Averett's website below.

We're only one game out of first and G'boro comes to the Grant Center on Saturday.  It is a must win for us.  I hope the guys have gotten over the beating we took at G'boro a few weeks earlier.

http://www.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=790


We are trying to get a group of students together to make the trip. Either way I know that myself and atleast 9 others will be there
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2007, 12:51:54 PM
not sure if anyone else is a logo geek like myself, but MU just released new athletic logos...i think they look great

here is the release (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/logorelease.htm)

here is the secondary logo
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg168.imageshack.us%2Fimg168%2F1337%2Fsecondaryfullbodypv6.jpg&hash=9df242969704155e72a9887640958a36875e4adf)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 01:05:52 PM
I see Ferrum visits Hanes Gym at Greensboro on Tuesday night at 7:30.  I haven't been to a game at GCP in a long time, it doesn't conflict with Hampden-Sydney coming to Guilford on Wednesday AND I hear it's free admission, so what a perfect deal.  lol  I'm seriously thinking about dropping by so I hope I get a chance to say hello to some the Greensboro posters.  Let's see how you guys do it when too big USASAC rivals get together!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2007, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 01:05:52 PM
Let's see how you guys do it when too big USASAC rivals get together!

very funny :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: narch on February 02, 2007, 01:10:39 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 01:05:52 PMLet's see how you guys do it when too big USASAC rivals get together!
very funny :)
C'mon, narch.  Panthers & Pride from the "sold" out confines of Hanes Gym - it's got ESPN instant classic written all over it!  Anyway, I'll see how it's done downtown.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
very funny  ???




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .............tool
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 04:04:00 PM
Logo.........sucks
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 04:04:00 PMLogo.........sucks
narch, so much for consensus building.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
very funny  ???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .............tool
Do you always misspell your nickname in your signature  ???  I could have sworn it started with an "f".   ha

A student has Pride in his keen tool
A PC to type at his green school
He emails retorts
But fails his reports?
So shallow's the depth in his gene pool.

Just messing with you, pride1fan.  :)  I'm too old to know exactly what tool means other than a hammer or a pair of pliers.  What I saw, however, didn't look like it was on the level, so I decided to put on the verbal clamps.  I measured my words carefully and decided they were about a meter.
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2007, 05:13:59 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 04:08:57 PMnarch, so much for consensus building.  :)
consensus probably isn't as important to me as it is to you, given your educational background

pride1fan is certainly entitled to be wrong on this subject, and with art, beauty is always in the eye of the beholder - for instance, i think this is one of the worst logos in all of college sports
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gborocollege.edu%2Fathletics%2Fsports%2Fthepridegreen.gif&hash=633f80b58e27e0c0ede9af6f9e62975ef4a88f25)

to show that i'm an equal opportunity offender and don't simply have an axe to grind, this one might be worse
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guilford.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimages%2Fquaker_man_h80.gif&hash=59761abff3afe32bac8864f703044f1581bbec49)

:)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 05:44:23 PM
Damn, now that was funny ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 05:45:56 PM
My wife is a Guilford grad and I ask her if the logo is a likeness of her mother.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2007, 08:22:15 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 05:45:56 PM
My wife is a Guilford grad and I ask her if the logo is a likeness of her mother.
i think your wife just took away a karma point...and if i've learned anything from my 5+ years of marriage it's this...you want to keep your karma with the wife on the plus side of the ledger

i have another theory and a bit of advice for the younger, single posters...you should always get a good look at the prospective wife's mom before taking the plunge - i've seen some pretty attractive young women who ended up looking like their not-so-attractive mother as they aged - if your mother-in-law looks anything like that guilford logo, you could be in deep trouble my man...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 08:26:14 PM
"you could be in deep trouble my man"


Damn it Narch, will you stop. I am trying not to like you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2007, 08:34:18 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 02, 2007, 08:26:14 PMDamn it Narch, will you stop. I am trying not to like you.
sorry...would it help if i started calling the pride the lady lions again?  i mean, with global warming and the war in iraq, i don't want to even THINK what would happen if you were to like me, even a little
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufriendly on February 02, 2007, 09:00:34 PM
What ever happened to that Jared Boone cnu fans?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 02, 2007, 11:40:02 PM
I do think the pride logo needs some work.  That I do agree with.  I always found it odd, I thought Quakers were supposed to be peaceful.  The Guilford Quaker does not look peaceful.  It even looks like he needs a stool softener  ;D :D ;) Just kidding hasanova
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 03, 2007, 12:13:19 AM
Narch:  An unsolicited approval of the logo from TN.  Big furor here about Maryville's new logo(s) and the elimination of "Lady" from Lady Scots and "Fighting" from Fighting Scots.  Has not seemed to hurt the teams, though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 12:28:04 AM
Quote from: cnufriendly on February 02, 2007, 09:00:34 PM
What ever happened to that Jared Boone cnu fans?
what happened to that jared boone? who dat? actually, the cnu hoops website has him playing in 4 games last year, the least participation of all the players on that team. i suspect he quit midseason since hes no longer listed on the roster for that year. it looks like theyve purged him from the records. i dont remember him. why are you asking?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 12:38:02 AM
in the spirit of prognostication and the most famous groundhog in the world, im calling 3 home team wins in usasac action on saturday. not exactly a bold prediction, but i like it because it puts cnu in first place all alone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 03, 2007, 10:12:34 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 02, 2007, 11:40:02 PMI do think the pride logo needs some work.  That I do agree with.  I always found it odd, I thought Quakers were supposed to be peaceful.  The Guilford Quaker does not look peaceful.  It even looks like he needs a stool softener  ;D :D ;) Just kidding hasanova
Well, he does eat a lot of oatmeal.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 03, 2007, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 12:38:02 AM
in the spirit of prognostication and the most famous groundhog in the world, im calling 3 home team wins in usasac action on saturday. not exactly a bold prediction, but i like it because it puts cnu in first place all alone.
I thought he predicted six more weeks of cold-shooting.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 03, 2007, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: narch on February 02, 2007, 05:13:59 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 02, 2007, 04:08:57 PMnarch, so much for consensus building.  :)
consensus probably isn't as important to me as it is to you, given your educational background

pride1fan is certainly entitled to be wrong on this subject, and with art, beauty is always in the eye of the beholder - for instance, i think this is one of the worst logos in all of college sports
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gborocollege.edu%2Fathletics%2Fsports%2Fthepridegreen.gif&hash=633f80b58e27e0c0ede9af6f9e62975ef4a88f25)

to show that i'm an equal opportunity offender and don't simply have an axe to grind, this one might be worse
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guilford.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimages%2Fquaker_man_h80.gif&hash=59761abff3afe32bac8864f703044f1581bbec49)

:)
The Quaker "guy" has been much maligned over the years, but I think you'd have a lot of people upset if you tried to change him.   Yeah, Quakers are supposed to be peaceful, but the last few weeks have proven otherwise.  :)  How do you make a logo that connotes "peace" and also says "my defensive linemen are going to stomp your Quarterback's a$$" all at the same time?  That's a tough one.  lol  Too many lions and tigers and bears.  Personally, I'm glad we have a mascot that's unique.  I know there are a couple of other teams that are also the Quakers (Penn, Earlham and Wilmington), but their logos don't look like ours.  Besides, with the exception of the Cougars, no other USASAC football or men's basketball teams have mauled or stung the Quaker guy this year.  Must be the hat - or the shoes.  :)   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 11:05:44 AM
its always the shoes. that is, if you believe the marketing people. make mine high tops, please.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 03, 2007, 12:00:39 PM
I thought I saw where Guilford switched to just a bold G. I could be wrong tho.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 03, 2007, 12:01:24 PM
PS Thanks to whomever bumped my karma up a point!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 03, 2007, 06:58:54 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 12:38:02 AM
in the spirit of prognostication and the most famous groundhog in the world, im calling 3 home team wins in usasac action on saturday. not exactly a bold prediction, but i like it because it puts cnu in first place all alone.
2/3 correct...the battlin' bishops ruined it for you in ot...but you still got your wish of the capts in first place

psbbg - will ferrum still be ranked ahead of the monarchs this week, despite having lost twice to them?

'nova - while the quaker logo is horrible, i will freely admit that a quaker is tough to pull off graphically

scottiedoug - i like the new m'ville marks, although i understand why some would be upset over losing the fighting portion...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 03, 2007, 07:08:37 PM
Quote from: narch on February 03, 2007, 06:58:54 PM
'nova - while the quaker logo is horrible, i will freely admit that a quaker is tough to pull off graphically
Yeah, he's kind of like that ugly puppy that no one else wants, but he grows on you after a while.  lol  Go to Wilmington (OH) College's site sometime and check out their rendition of the Quaker.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 03, 2007, 08:15:44 PM
I don't have any thoughts about the GC-AU game. 

Narch-I will have to take a look at the statistics and see where the rankings end up.  By the way I like the new logo.

Quote from: cnufan on October 08, 2006, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: narch on October 08, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 09:34:56 AMAU has the worst fans.  I forgot to mention.  They show some of the worst class.

personally, i have to disagree - i thought the au fans at the mc/au game yesterday were very supportive of their team, and they brought a nice crowd that was pretty vocal - the mc crowd was decent, but they sat on their hands most of the game - i wish the monarchs could have a more significant home-field advantage - we're one of the largest schools in the usasac, but too few of the students go to and get loud at games...makes no sense to me

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 09:34:56 AMOf course I show some class and keep my mouth shut.
unfortunately, you don't keep your keyboard shut :)

Narch - their basketball fans used to be obnoxious and annoying. They would sit behind the visitors bench even tho that was against USA South policy and make a huge and annoying racket. I do however commend their spirit in cheering for their team. They have calmed a bit now but still make a heckuva lot of noise which is great considering how far that program has come since Jimmy Allen took over. As for their football fans, couldnt tell ya. They sit on on the other side of the field!

(Quote taken from USASouth football post)

So I lied I do have one thing to say about the game.  I was up there and did see them sit behind the visitors bench.  I am saying if its against USASAC policy I want to see where it says it is. If it is they are not doing a goo enough job of enforcing it.  I sat over that way.  I give au fans a little more credit.  Saying something like "if we lose at least we are having fun."


CNU fans I learned a story today where at a baseball game, some fans were calling our starting pitcher's mom a whore.  I don't care where you come from or what you say.  You don't ever call anybody's mama a whore.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 03, 2007, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 03, 2007, 07:08:37 PMGo to Wilmington (OH) College's site sometime and check out their rendition of the Quaker.  :)
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilmington.edu%2FIMAGES%2Fsports_quaker_logo.gif&hash=f9652c7c83285deadf23aa1608200df7db481d6e)
is this what you're talking about?

if this is their athletic logo (the image is hosted on their website), i hope that the ne patriots sue them for trademark infringement - it's amazing that an institution of higher education would simply re-color an existing professional team's logo in this day and age - would they allow their students to plagiarize their papers?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 03, 2007, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: narch on February 03, 2007, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 03, 2007, 07:08:37 PMGo to Wilmington (OH) College's site sometime and check out their rendition of the Quaker.  :)
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilmington.edu%2FIMAGES%2Fsports_quaker_logo.gif&hash=f9652c7c83285deadf23aa1608200df7db481d6e)
is this what you're talking about?

if this is their athletic logo (the image is hosted on their website), i hope that the ne patriots sue them for trademark infringement - it's amazing that an institution of higher education would simply re-color an existing professional team's logo in this day and age - would they allow their students to plagiarize their papers?

Wow..interesting you bring that up.  My high school when it first opened up orginally got in trouble becuase our "cougar" looked exactly like Penn State's Nittany Lion.  Case was dropped because a cougar is much different than a nittany lion.  So it means you would have to be an idiot to think Fallston High would remind you of Penn State.


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pserie.psu.edu%2FNewsCal%2Fimages%2Flionshrine.jpg&hash=d3721bf91c23ba5873f8f01caa44692c37c25c01)

That's Penn State.


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Feteamz.active.com%2FFHSSoftball%2Fimages%2FCougarlogo.gif&hash=15468b25615135d2b9655f5322db92188e5ffbdc)

That's Fallston High School
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: narch on February 03, 2007, 06:58:54 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 12:38:02 AM
in the spirit of prognostication and the most famous groundhog in the world, im calling 3 home team wins in usasac action on saturday. not exactly a bold prediction, but i like it because it puts cnu in first place all alone.
2/3 correct...the battlin' bishops ruined it for you in ot...but you still got your wish of the capts in first place

i think we should savor it while it lasts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 04, 2007, 11:08:33 AM
Quote from: narch on February 03, 2007, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 03, 2007, 07:08:37 PMGo to Wilmington (OH) College's site sometime and check out their rendition of the Quaker.  :)
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilmington.edu%2FIMAGES%2Fsports_quaker_logo.gif&hash=f9652c7c83285deadf23aa1608200df7db481d6e)
is this what you're talking about?

if this is their athletic logo (the image is hosted on their website), i hope that the ne patriots sue them for trademark infringement - it's amazing that an institution of higher education would simply re-color an existing professional team's logo in this day and age - would they allow their students to plagiarize their papers?
Looked like a rip-off to me also.  Earlham has a mascot called Mr. Quaker that has the traditional hat and shoes, but has his hands up like he's ready to box.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 02:09:21 PM
Any chance that Wilmington had it first? :)

Mostly joking but I'm reminded that Beloit had its swashbuckling logo first before the Buccaneers used it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 04, 2007, 02:35:16 PM
great point, pat. isnt it funny how we always assume that the little guy is subservient to the big guy? maybe the pats copied the wilmington logo instead of the other way around.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 04, 2007, 03:44:56 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 03, 2007, 12:38:02 AM
in the spirit of prognostication and the most famous groundhog in the world, im calling 3 home team wins in usasac action on saturday. not exactly a bold prediction, but i like it because it puts cnu in first place all alone.

Sorry mensa: SU couldn't hold up their end of the bargain, much less a 12 point halftime lead... 

Once again, instead of spending 20 minutes detailing the game, just go to one of my earlier game analysis posts, say the first CNU-SU OT matchup for example, and just take out "CNU" and insert "NCWC." 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 04, 2007, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 03, 2007, 08:15:44 PM
I don't have any thoughts about the GC-AU game. 

Narch-I will have to take a look at the statistics and see where the rankings end up.  By the way I like the new logo.

Quote from: cnufan on October 08, 2006, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: narch on October 08, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 09:34:56 AMAU has the worst fans.  I forgot to mention.  They show some of the worst class.

personally, i have to disagree - i thought the au fans at the mc/au game yesterday were very supportive of their team, and they brought a nice crowd that was pretty vocal - the mc crowd was decent, but they sat on their hands most of the game - i wish the monarchs could have a more significant home-field advantage - we're one of the largest schools in the usasac, but too few of the students go to and get loud at games...makes no sense to me

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 09:34:56 AMOf course I show some class and keep my mouth shut.
unfortunately, you don't keep your keyboard shut :)

Narch - their basketball fans used to be obnoxious and annoying. They would sit behind the visitors bench even tho that was against USA South policy and make a huge and annoying racket. I do however commend their spirit in cheering for their team. They have calmed a bit now but still make a heckuva lot of noise which is great considering how far that program has come since Jimmy Allen took over. As for their football fans, couldnt tell ya. They sit on on the other side of the field!

(Quote taken from USASouth football post)

So I lied I do have one thing to say about the game.  I was up there and did see them sit behind the visitors bench.  I am saying if its against USASAC policy I want to see where it says it is. If it is they are not doing a goo enough job of enforcing it.  I sat over that way.  I give au fans a little more credit.  Saying something like "if we lose at least we are having fun."


CNU fans I learned a story today where at a baseball game, some fans were calling our starting pitcher's mom a whore.  I don't care where you come from or what you say.  You don't ever call anybody's mama a whore.

At least you guys have something to complain about.  Shingleton Gym is about as loud as a 1 o'clock lecture on 19th century russian literature.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 04, 2007, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 02:09:21 PM
Any chance that Wilmington had it first? :)

Mostly joking but I'm reminded that Beloit had its swashbuckling logo first before the Buccaneers used it.
True.  Good point. 

Many years ago Guilford had a "G" on their football helmets similar to one used by the University of Georgia and the Green Bay Packers.   One August, the Packers were using Guilford's football field for practice while in town to play an NFL preseason game against the Washington Redskins.  Guilford's president at that time was a very scholarly man, but not well versed in sports.  He dropped by the field, however, to watch a bit of the practice.  Story goes that he thought it was the Quakers and commented to the AD that, "Say, looks as though we're going to be pretty good this year!"  No kidding!  In fact, our QB is a Starr!  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 04, 2007, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 04, 2007, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 03, 2007, 08:15:44 PM
I don't have any thoughts about the GC-AU game. 

Narch-I will have to take a look at the statistics and see where the rankings end up.  By the way I like the new logo.

Quote from: cnufan on October 08, 2006, 02:01:29 PM
Quote from: narch on October 08, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 09:34:56 AMAU has the worst fans.  I forgot to mention.  They show some of the worst class.

personally, i have to disagree - i thought the au fans at the mc/au game yesterday were very supportive of their team, and they brought a nice crowd that was pretty vocal - the mc crowd was decent, but they sat on their hands most of the game - i wish the monarchs could have a more significant home-field advantage - we're one of the largest schools in the usasac, but too few of the students go to and get loud at games...makes no sense to me

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on October 08, 2006, 09:34:56 AMOf course I show some class and keep my mouth shut.
unfortunately, you don't keep your keyboard shut :)

Narch - their basketball fans used to be obnoxious and annoying. They would sit behind the visitors bench even tho that was against USA South policy and make a huge and annoying racket. I do however commend their spirit in cheering for their team. They have calmed a bit now but still make a heckuva lot of noise which is great considering how far that program has come since Jimmy Allen took over. As for their football fans, couldnt tell ya. They sit on on the other side of the field!

(Quote taken from USASouth football post)

So I lied I do have one thing to say about the game.  I was up there and did see them sit behind the visitors bench.  I am saying if its against USASAC policy I want to see where it says it is. If it is they are not doing a goo enough job of enforcing it.  I sat over that way.  I give au fans a little more credit.  Saying something like "if we lose at least we are having fun."


CNU fans I learned a story today where at a baseball game, some fans were calling our starting pitcher's mom a whore.  I don't care where you come from or what you say.  You don't ever call anybody's mama a whore.

At least you guys have something to complain about.  Shingleton Gym is about as loud as a 1 o'clock lecture on 19th century russian literature.

LOL I made a trip to Shingleton once a couple years ago and I think then they had a bunch of students right near the entrance to the gym and I want to say it was Rob's something...and it was one of the loudest gyms i had been in since ole Ratcliffe!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 02:09:21 PM
Any chance that Wilmington had it first? :)

Mostly joking but I'm reminded that Beloit had its swashbuckling logo first before the Buccaneers used it.

pat...are you sure about your buccaneers reference?  the tampa bay bucs old logo (which is commonly referred to as bucco bruce and which bears a striking resemblence to the current logo used on the beloit helmet and website) was designed by a tampa area artist in 1976, according to the helmet project (http://inside99.net/Helmet_Project/) (which i've found to be a pretty reliable resource) as well as chris creamers sportslogos.net (http://www.chriscreamer.com/logo.php?lo=1041) - neither of these resources mention anything about beloit's logo, but i'd be willing to be that beloit "borrowed" the buccaneers mark and not the other way around

and there is no chance that wilmington used it's quaker before the pats...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 12:40:36 PM
These are the Week 11 Power Rankings.  CNU comes in at third even though they are in first in the conference.  They don't have they overall best winning %, plus some of CNU's losses common to AU (mostly GC) is probably the reason where they are.

Week 11 Power Rankings
Greensboro
Averett
CNU
NC Wesleyan
Methodist
Ferrum
Shenadoah

As you can see the bottom 4 are aligning what spot they hold in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 05, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
Shenandoah
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 08:16:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 02:09:21 PM
Any chance that Wilmington had it first? :)

Mostly joking but I'm reminded that Beloit had its swashbuckling logo first before the Buccaneers used it.

pat...are you sure about your buccaneers reference?  the tampa bay bucs old logo (which is commonly referred to as bucco bruce and which bears a striking resemblence to the current logo used on the beloit helmet and website) was designed by a tampa area artist in 1976, according to the helmet project (http://inside99.net/Helmet_Project/) (which i've found to be a pretty reliable resource) as well as chris creamers sportslogos.net (http://www.chriscreamer.com/logo.php?lo=1041) - neither of these resources mention anything about beloit's logo, but i'd be willing to be that beloit "borrowed" the buccaneers mark and not the other way around

and there is no chance that wilmington used it's quaker before the pats...

Positive. I interviewed for the SID job there many moons ago. Of course they don't mention Beloit's logo -- would you?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 05, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
Shenandoah
'nova - you obviously didn't read the news over the weekend

shenandoah (or su for those of us that can't remember how to spell it) left the usasac for the cac and, in swift action, the usasac leadership picked up another school, shenadoah college, in hopes that the similarity in spelling would confuse the ncaa and allow the usasac to keep it's aq status

and besides, spelling doesn't matter...on this board, you simply type a bunch of letters that are reasonably close and rely on the reader to figure it out

it is good to see the monarchs leap-frog over ferrum, but it's amazing to see that gc is still on top of this unbiased formula
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 01:31:16 PMPositive. I interviewed for the SID job there many moons ago. Of course they don't mention Beloit's logo -- would you?

that's amazing...there is obviously someone who worked for the tampa tribune who stole beloit's logo in 1976, then passed it on to the tampa bay buccaneers as an original logo - i didn't realize you were old enough to have interviewed for an sid position in 1976...i had you pegged for someone who was in his late 30's, early 40's at worst...i stand corrected

and yes, if i were running a logo/helmet website, i would have beloit's logo and as much information as possible about it, particularly if there were a story as interesting as the fact that it was stolen and used by the tampa bay buccaneers as a back-story...but then, i am the type who is always looking out for the d3's :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
GC has 15 Wins, AU 14 and CNU 13.  I must be biased towards AU too.  CNU has the best record in the conference and they are listed 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 05, 2007, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 05, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
Shenandoah
'nova - you obviously didn't read the news over the weekend

shenandoah (or su for those of us that can't remember how to spell it) left the usasac for the cac and, in swift action, the usasac leadership picked up another school, shenadoah college, in hopes that the similarity in spelling would confuse the ncaa and allow the usasac to keep it's aq status

and besides, spelling doesn't matter...on this board, you simply type a bunch of letters that are reasonably close and rely on the reader to figure it out
Now it makes perfect sense!  I hadn't heard about the USASAC changes.  lol  I guess it's hard for me to adapt to the new rule "spelling doesn't matter...on this board, you simply type a bunch of letters that are reasonably close and rely on the reader to figure it out."  In my classroom experience we were taught, "never make the same mistake twice."  Of course, my "keyboard" was called a "pen."  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 02:10:12 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
GC has 15 Wins, AU 14 and CNU 13.  I must be biased towards AU too.  CNU has the best record in the conference and they are listed 3rd.
i never said you were biased...in fact, i called your formula unbiased, as you have stated many times previously...read the post

i ran the 3 teams at the top of the conference through a sosi type formula (in fact, it is the sosi formula, except i applied it to ALL d3 teams, not just regional competition) - here is how this formula ranked these teams

averett: 9.32, 13-6 vs. d3 competition, 7-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-0 vs. teams under .333
gc: 9.17, 13-5 vs. d3 competition, 4-4 vs. teams above .500, 4-0 vs. teams under .333
cnu: 8.11, 11-7 vs. d3 competition, 3-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-1 vs. teams under .333
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 02:16:27 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 02:10:12 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
GC has 15 Wins, AU 14 and CNU 13.  I must be biased towards AU too.  CNU has the best record in the conference and they are listed 3rd.
i never said you were biased...in fact, i called your formula unbiased, as you have stated many times previously...read the post

i ran the 3 teams at the top of the conference through a sosi type formula (in fact, it is the sosi formula, except i applied it to ALL d3 teams, not just regional competition) - here is how this formula ranked these teams

averett: 9.32, 13-6 vs. d3 competition, 7-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-0 vs. teams under .333
gc: 9.17, 13-5 vs. d3 competition, 4-4 vs. teams above .500, 4-0 vs. teams under .333
cnu: 8.11, 11-7 vs. d3 competition, 3-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-1 vs. teams under .333

Well I never know if you are being sarcastic or not.  So CNU should be 3rd then.  You see though then GC is ahead of AU because GC has outscored them in the two meetings.  AU lost to SU in conference (the last place team)  GC 2 of 3 losses come from top teams in conference.  Same with AU.  This is one strange conference.  CNU's 2 conference losses from from teams to middle to below-average teams.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 02:42:54 PM
here is sosi for the rest of the conference, for those who care:

mu: 8.33, 8-10 vs. d3's, 3-9 vs. above .500 teams, 0-0 vs. under .333 teams
ncwc: 7.53, 7-8 vs. d3's, 2-7 vs. above .500 teams, 1-0 vs. under .333 teams
fc: 7.00, 8-9 vs. d3's, 2-5 vs. above .500 teams, 4-0 vs. under .333 teams
su: 6.47, 5-10 vs. d3's, 3-5 vs. above .500 team, 0-0 vs. under .333 teams

mu has a higher sosi than cnu...based largely on a lot of losses to really good teams (the monarchs have played 8 games against teams with .667 or higher winning %...they're 0-8 in those contests) - right now, i'm hesitant to say the monarchs are better than cnu, though, despite the head-to-head results and sosi calculations

my rankings would be to follow sosi for the top 3, then follow it again for the bottom 4

ultimately, though, i'm just going to look at the final standings to determine who is best...it's the most sure-fire way of doing things this year :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 02:16:27 PMWell I never know if you are being sarcastic or not
look for one of these :) or these  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 01:31:16 PMPositive. I interviewed for the SID job there many moons ago. Of course they don't mention Beloit's logo -- would you?

that's amazing...there is obviously someone who worked for the tampa tribune who stole beloit's logo in 1976, then passed it on to the tampa bay buccaneers as an original logo - i didn't realize you were old enough to have interviewed for an sid position in 1976...i had you pegged for someone who was in his late 30's, early 40's at worst...i stand corrected

and yes, if i were running a logo/helmet website, i would have beloit's logo and as much information as possible about it, particularly if there were a story as interesting as the fact that it was stolen and used by the tampa bay buccaneers as a back-story...but then, i am the type who is always looking out for the d3's :)

I interviewed in 1996. :) With a PR director for the college who was more than old enough to be there in 1976. Perhaps he was lying to me, but I seem to think he showed me photos of Beloit wearing it first.

I am saying that the Bucs might not be willing to talk about it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 05, 2007, 09:01:51 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 02:44:15 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 02:16:27 PMWell I never know if you are being sarcastic or not
look for one of these :) or these  ;)

no it is really.......... :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 05, 2007, 09:01:51 PMno it is really.......... :'(
glad to have you back pride1fan...i really missed you the last few days  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 05, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 06:54:46 PM
I interviewed in 1996. :) With a PR director for the college who was more than old enough to be there in 1976. Perhaps he was lying to me, but I seem to think he showed me photos of Beloit wearing it first.

I am saying that the Bucs might not be willing to talk about it.

i thought you looked a little younger than 50 something :)

i find it highly unlikely that a cartoonist from the tampa tribune stole the beloit college logo in 1976 and passed if off on the tampa bay bucs and the nfl as original without a subsequent lawsuit from beloit, but i could be wrong
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 10:15:49 PM
This didn't take long to find.

http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/09/27/underbill-update-no-389/#comment-10757

It may be apocryphal but if not, it seems to answer everything you try to kick back at me on this.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 08:53:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 10:15:49 PM
This didn't take long to find.

http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/09/27/underbill-update-no-389/#comment-10757

It may be apocryphal but if not, it seems to answer everything you try to kick back at me on this.
it doesnt seem apocryphal (mythical, fictional, untrue, invented, for those who havent looked it up yet).
now, how about some hoops talk?! the captains have to contain lenny hall tonight. hall seems to have our number. he has had some career-making games against us. over 3 years he has averaged 26.4 against us, never scoring less than 16, with some big ones (38, 29, 36, 28). he is 3-4 lifetime against us, so you KNOW that he wants to even his record against us. where is that good defensive player we had on the roster last year that graduated? can we get him back for one last game? no one would have to know.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 09:04:10 AM
hey, only 9 more posts until i can smite/applaud. time to go back and review who will be getting each from me. i think i will start off with a round of applause for everyone, though. hasanova has been a continuing source of wisdom. learning the origin of "mensa" was incredible. i think he must be a mensan himself. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 06, 2007, 10:16:04 AM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 05, 2007, 09:01:51 PMno it is really.......... :'(
glad to have you back pride1fan...i really missed you the last few days  ;D
Now you are taking the fun out of my posts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 09:04:10 AM
hey, only 9 more posts until i can smite/applaud. time to go back and review who will be getting each from me. i think i will start off with a round of applause for everyone, though. ive loved being a member here this year. one of you guys said something about this site being too lame for students, but thats definitely not true. and, hey, its even a little bit educational. apocryphal! thanks for that one, pat. hasanova has been a continuing source of wisdom. learning the origin of "mensa" was incredible. i think he must be a mensan himself. 
Thanks, notamensa.  I may have to start calling you isamensa!  lol  Thanks for enduring my stories about the halcyon days - just trying to use sports as a hermeneutic tool.  lol  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 06, 2007, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 10:15:49 PM
This didn't take long to find.

http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/09/27/underbill-update-no-389/#comment-10757

It may be apocryphal but if not, it seems to answer everything you try to kick back at me on this.

pat - thanks...i googled the beloit logo, but didn't find this information (or much of anything substantial, to tell the truth)...i still think this might be urban legend, but i've gone from being 99% positive that it was untrue to maybe 65-70% positive that it's false

the other thing that makes me believe this might be true is this...who would actually want to claim that logo...it's not exactly the most fearsome or intimidating pirate...

if i get any information which confirms this on either side, i'll let you know

Quote from: pride1fan on February 06, 2007, 10:16:04 AMNow you are taking the fun out of my posts
sorry...please, return to berating and belittling me...i'd hate to take the fun out of posting for you or anyone else  8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 09:04:10 AM
hey, only 9 more posts until i can smite/applaud. time to go back and review who will be getting each from me. i think i will start off with a round of applause for everyone, though. ive loved being a member here this year. one of you guys said something about this site being too lame for students, but thats definitely not true. and, hey, its even a little bit educational. apocryphal! thanks for that one, pat. hasanova has been a continuing source of wisdom. learning the origin of "mensa" was incredible. i think he must be a mensan himself. 
Thanks, notamensa.  I may have to start calling you isamensa!  lol  Thanks for enduring my stories about the halcyon days - just trying to use sports as a hermeneutic tool.  lol  Peace
ok, ill bite –

halcyon days - literally meaning calm days; a reference to the fourteen days of calm weather the ancients believed to precede the winter solstice that coincided with the brooding of the halcyon - fabled to be in nests floating on the sea - because the birds charmed the winds and waves so that seas were especially calm.

hermeneutic – 1. relating to or consisting in the interpretation of texts, especially the books of the bible  2. serving to interpret or explain something

no, im definitely not a mensan, but maybe i will be some day, especially if my vocabulary continues to expand like it has been lately. is a high iq something that can be attained by working hard at it, or is it something that youre born with? i dont know. but, im guessing that youre one either way, mr hasanova. hermeneutic! do you really use words like that in your everyday speech or are you trying to impress us with carefully chosen and researched words? either way, im impressed. i bet that you blew the gradng curve for your classmates in english class.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 03:09:19 PM
if halcyon days are the fourteen days of calm preceding the winter solstice, that could also be used to describe the early season for most d3 teams prior to their conference schedule. calm, indeed, especially with the usasac teams this year and what theyve been doing to each other.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 04:47:11 PM
too many big words.....I like simple things...like the old TV commercial starring Earl campbell...."Skoal, Brother!"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 04:47:32 PM
hmm...was it Earl Campbell?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 04:47:11 PM
too many big words.....I like simple things...like the old TV commercial starring Earl campbell...."Skoal, Brother!"
ok, so how are the captains going to slow down lenny hall this evening? im still having nightmares of that guy driving right to the basket, seemingly unimpeded, oops... i mean unconstrained. thats still probably too large a word for you though, isnt it, cnu85 ;D? ok, it was like this... he went to the basket and our guys didnt try to stop him. in my nightmare, he keeps kicking me in the head when he goes up for the layup.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 04:47:32 PM
hmm...was it Earl Campbell?
Not sure, but he was a heck of a runner for the Longhorns and the Houston Oilers!  If I remember correctly, they unveiled a statue of him at Royal-Memorial Stadium in Austin last September when Texas played Ohio State.  I'm sure Earl and Bum Phillips played Scrabble - and used Skoal - every day!  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 05:09:55 PM
in my nightmare, he keeps kicking me in the head when he goes up for the layup.

help me out Hasanova....I need something related to the foot and the head....Cranial...??

haha...and to thinks I gots a MBA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:44:20 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 09:04:10 AM
hey, only 9 more posts until i can smite/applaud. time to go back and review who will be getting each from me. i think i will start off with a round of applause for everyone, though. ive loved being a member here this year. one of you guys said something about this site being too lame for students, but thats definitely not true. and, hey, its even a little bit educational. apocryphal! thanks for that one, pat. hasanova has been a continuing source of wisdom. learning the origin of "mensa" was incredible. i think he must be a mensan himself. 
Thanks, notamensa.  I may have to start calling you isamensa!  lol  Thanks for enduring my stories about the halcyon days - just trying to use sports as a hermeneutic tool.  lol  Peace
ok, ill bite –

halcyon days - literally meaning calm days; a reference to the fourteen days of calm weather the ancients believed to precede the winter solstice that coincided with the brooding of the halcyon - fabled to be in nests floating on the sea - because the birds charmed the winds and waves so that seas were especially calm.

hermeneutic – 1. relating to or consisting in the interpretation of texts, especially the books of the bible  2. serving to interpret or explain something

no, im definitely not a mensan, but maybe i will be some day, especially if my vocabulary continues to expand like it has been lately. is a high iq something that can be attained by working hard at it, or is it something that youre born with? i dont know. but, im guessing that youre one either way, mr hasanova. hermeneutic! do you really use words like that in your everyday speech or are you trying to impress us with carefully chosen and researched words? either way, im impressed. i bet that you blew the gradng curve for your classmates in english class.
Thanks, notamensa.  I appreciate your kind words.  I personally think humans are a product of their heredity and their environment, but you can definitely make a concerted effort to improve your vocabulary by modifying your environment.   Hermeneutic - no I don't use that word every day!  Who does? - Doctors Niles and Frazier Crane?  The Pope?  lol  Actually, one of my brothers is a PhD in Theology and he taught me that word a couple of years ago when we were discussing how two people can see the same play at a sporting event and have two diametrically opposed ideas of what just happened.  The word's namesake, Hermes, also knew it was true with varying interpretations of the scriptures.  If you think I have a good vocabulary, you should meet my brother!  :)  I was just trying to make a joke by throwing those words into the email, but I did definitely know what they meant.  Honestly, however, you don't want to play any of my four siblings and me at Scrabble.  We can hold our own!  :)  Yeah, I did "OK" in school, but to tell you the truth I was the kid who 'blew the curve" on the Math exams.   Go figure!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 05:09:55 PM
in my nightmare, he keeps kicking me in the head when he goes up for the layup.

help me out Hasanova....I need something related to the foot and the head....Cranial...??

haha...and to thinks I gots a MBA.
I recommend cerebrum conculco which, loosely translated, means "(your) brain is being tread under my feet!"  I also have an MBA and I think we might just say, "My business ("bidness" in Texas) will kick your brains out!"  Either way, someone is in for an in your face a$$ whuppin'!  Enjoy the game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 06, 2007, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 04:47:32 PM
hmm...was it Earl Campbell?
Actually, I think it was the alph-male on the National Geographic special who eats the bugs off the other Apes!
Shhhh.... No names CNU85.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:44:20 PM
Thanks, notamensa.  I appreciate your kind words.  I personally think humans are a product of their heredity and their environment, but you can definitely make a concerted effort to improve your vocabulary by modifying your environment.  
noooo. say it isnt true. i was hoping that i could sharpen my intellect through persistent study and effort and to one day, one glorious day, slap a mensa membership card on dear old dad and say, "haha, i AM a mensaN, old man!" but now you tell me that i have no better chance of doing so than he does? crap.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 06, 2007, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 04:47:32 PM
hmm...was it Earl Campbell?
Actually, I think it was the alph-male on the National Geographic special who eats the bugs off the other Apes!
Shhhh.... No names CNU85.
oooooh, a cryptic message from a new poster. im intrigued. who is he/she, cnu85? maybe someone that you spend quality time with, watching educational television?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:44:20 PM
Thanks, notamensa.  I appreciate your kind words.  I personally think humans are a product of their heredity and their environment, but you can definitely make a concerted effort to improve your vocabulary by modifying your environment.  
noooo. say it isnt true. i was hoping that i could sharpen my intellect through persistent study and effort and to one day, one glorious day, slap a mensa membership card on dear old dad and say, "haha, i AM a mensaN, old man!" but now you tell me that i have no better chance of doing so than he does? crap.
Well, half of your heredity is your Mom's side of the family.  How's it looking there?  :)  The environment is your "persistent study and effort," so there's hope.  Top 2%, man - piece of cake!   Good luck!  By the way, Sharon Stone is a member of Mensa and she sometimes forgets to put on her underwear!  lol  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 06:52:26 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 05:09:55 PM
in my nightmare, he keeps kicking me in the head when he goes up for the layup.

help me out Hasanova....I need something related to the foot and the head....Cranial...??

haha...and to thinks I gots a MBA.
I recommend cerebrum conculco which, loosely translated, means "(your) brain is being tread under my feet!"  I also have an MBA and I think we might just say, "My business ("bidness" in Texas) will kick your brains out!"  Either way, someone is in for an in your face a$$ whuppin'!  Enjoy the game!
mbas abound! what am i doing here on this forum?! i am clearly in over my head. BUT, i have news for you guys...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:44:20 PM
Thanks, notamensa.  I appreciate your kind words.  I personally think humans are a product of their heredity and their environment, but you can definitely make a concerted effort to improve your vocabulary by modifying your environment.  
noooo. say it isnt true. i was hoping that i could sharpen my intellect through persistent study and effort and to one day, one glorious day, slap a mensa membership card on dear old dad and say, "haha, i AM a mensaN, old man!" but now you tell me that i have no better chance of doing so than he does? crap.
Well, half of your heredity is your Mom's side of the family.  How's it looking there?  :)  The environment is your "persistent study and effort," so there's hope.  Top 2%, man - piece of cake!   Good luck!  By the way, Sharon Stone is a member of Mensa and she sometimes forgets to put on her underwear!  lol  
on my moms side, there is actually some hope there... she is a lot smarter than she lets on, and thank god i got my looks from her.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 06, 2007, 07:00:08 PM
Ewell never be half the man your mother was

signed,
Parker Lewis
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 07:08:16 PM
Quote from: MacLeod on February 06, 2007, 07:00:08 PM
Ewell never be half the man your mother was

signed,
Parker Lewis
omg! i just read 2-3 posts from this guy and i think we have yet ANOTHER deep thinker among us! what is happening to this board?!

signed,

beyonces boyfriend
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 07:13:09 PM
as promised, a standing ovation from me to you, my fellow basketball fans. im a STARTER, baby! everyone gets plus one from me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 06, 2007, 07:32:06 PM
About the Bucs and Beloit College logo.  Has anyone tried to ask both the college or the Bucs :) ;) :D ;D


I am about as up in the air on that issue, as much as the issue of which came first the chicken or the egg.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 08:17:11 PM
at the half -
cnu 57
ncw 49
shooters rule!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 09:25:25 PM
ncw 102
cnu96

captains blow it in the end as the bishops thoroughly outplay the captains in the stretch. i havent heard stats, but they were really outplayed in the last 3 minutes. they lead by as many as 10 in the 2nd half and throw it away. gc and au now in 1st place in the conference, cnu in 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 06, 2007, 07:32:06 PM
About the Bucs and Beloit College logo.  Has anyone tried to ask both the college or the Bucs :) ;) :D ;D

I didn't ask, but I was told anyway. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 09:35:44 PM
in what is becoming a very disturbing trend, ncw outscores the captains by 14 in the 2nd half.

lenny hall with 30. the nightmares will continue.

blasingame with 6 points! cant we get him involved in the offense?! no one in the conference has someone that can match up with him physically. with the best point guard in the conference, why cant we get the ball to him inside?

coach woolum says - "we sat back and let them cut our lead to nothing." and "we made too many mistakes down the stretch." he also says that "ncw is the most talented team in the league."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 10:24:33 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 06:52:26 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 05:53:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 06, 2007, 05:09:55 PM
in my nightmare, he keeps kicking me in the head when he goes up for the layup.

help me out Hasanova....I need something related to the foot and the head....Cranial...??

haha...and to thinks I gots a MBA.
I recommend cerebrum conculco which, loosely translated, means "(your) brain is being tread under my feet!"  I also have an MBA and I think we might just say, "My business ("bidness" in Texas) will kick your brains out!"  Either way, someone is in for an in your face a$$ whuppin'!  Enjoy the game!
mbas abound! what am i doing here on this forum?! i am clearly in over my head. BUT, i have news for you guys... there may be a genuine, future jd among you (and i am not referring to a juvenile delinquent).
I see notamensa has just raised the bar!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 10:47:40 PM
Well as promised (threatened?), I attended the Greensboro/Ferrum game tonight at Hanes Gym.  Nice 94-84 win for the Pride, but gosh I had forgotten how small the gym is!  GC is now 16-6, 6-3 and FC is 9-13, 3-6.

I tried to keep a bit of a scorecard, but I missed a few baskets, so this isn't official.  I'm pretty sure Alston (12), Nicholson (15) and Camp (10) were all in double figures for the Pride.  Bright had the best game, however, with 27, including one great dunk on a fast break at the end of the first half.  He was an active force on both ends of the court.  The Pride only attempted five threes, but canned four.

GC led at the half by 49-35 and scored the first 12 in the second half to go up 61-35.  Their largest lead was 27 at 65-38, but FC cut it to 7 at 80-73 with about 3 minutes to go.  Then, GC started to pull away at the FT line.  I was very impressed with Cedric Jones for the Panthers, who had at least 15 before fouling out.  Jon Godsey (25) has a nice all around game - shirts and skins, I pick him!  Not far behind, I think Rob Fuller had 22.

The Pride had the deeper bench and the better starters, in my opinion, but should be a little concerned about the Panthers whittling a 27-point second half lead down to seven on GC's home court.  With three minutes to go, that's not an insurmountable lead with 3-point baskets and a 35-second shot clock, but, in all honesty, FC was only 1 of 10 behind the arc.

Anyway, back to the west side for me tomorrow night as the Hampden-Sydney Tigers visit the Quakers at Ragan-Brown Field House!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 07, 2007, 06:07:17 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 06, 2007, 10:47:40 PM
Well as promised (threatened?), I attended the Greensboro/Ferrum game tonight at Hanes Gym.  Nice 94-84 win for the Pride, but gosh I had forgotten how small the gym is!  GC is now 16-6, 6-3 and FC is 9-13, 3-6.

I tried to keep a bit of a scorecard, but I missed a few baskets, so this isn't official.  I'm pretty sure Alston (12), Nicholson (15) and Camp (10) were all in double figures for the Pride.  Bright had the best game, however, with 27, including one great dunk on a fast break at the end of the first half.  He was an active force on both ends of the court.  The Pride only attempted five threes, but canned four.

GC led at the half by 49-35 and scored the first 12 in the second half to go up 61-35.  Their largest lead was 27 at 65-38, but FC cut it to 7 at 80-73 with about 3 minutes to go.  Then, GC started to pull away at the FT line.  I was very impressed with Cedric Jones for the Panthers, who had at least 15 before fouling out.  Jon Godsey (25) has a nice all around game - shirts and skins, I pick him!  Not far behind, I think Rob Fuller had 22.

The Pride had the deeper bench and the better starters, in my opinion, but should be a little concerned about the Panthers whittling a 27-point second half lead down to seven on GC's home court.  With three minutes to go, that's not an insurmountable lead with 3-point baskets and a 35-second shot clock, but, in all honesty, FC was only 1 of 10 behind the arc.

Anyway, back to the west side for me tomorrow night as the Hampden-Sydney Tigers visit the Quakers at Ragan-Brown Field House!

      And what a huge road win it would be and confidence builder for a run at the ODAC in Salem.  ;D GO TIGERS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 07, 2007, 08:43:49 AM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 07, 2007, 06:07:17 AM
And what a huge road win it would be and confidence builder for a run at the ODAC in Salem.  ;D GO TIGERS!!
I think the Quakes are gonna take it!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 09:03:23 AM
cnu seems to be losing the 2nd half in most of their games. i thought it might be because of fatigue since we only play 6 guys, but in the game last night we gave up 13 in a row early in the 2nd half (when they should be fresh). i think the 2nd half meltdowns are because of lapses in focus and intensity.

rebounding continues to be a problem. cnu – 9 off, 29 def, 38 total. ncw – 18 off, 28 def, 46 total. ive beat on that dead horse enough. suffice to say, the problem continues.

blasingame with 5 fg attempts for the game. im guessing that 2 of those came after the 2 offensive rebounds he collected. that means that on offense we got the ball to him 3 times?! his fg% is at 61% for the season, so his are very high percentage shots. why cant we get him the ball?

team fg% -
cnu – 1st half 67%, 2nd half 42%, game 54%
ncw – 1st half 46%, 2nd half 40%, game 43%
to reconcile this, keep in mind that ncw had 10 more attempts in the game, 12 more fts (and made 9/10 down the stretch), had only 9 tos, and 3 times as many stls as cnu (with a paltry 3 for the game). the final tally works out to be... general apathy and lack of heart on the part of the captains. maybe they will find their hearts at the end of the yellow brick road? i hope that they do so before the conf tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 09:03:23 AM
blasingame with 5 fg attempts for the game. im guessing that 2 of those came after the 2 offensive rebounds he collected. that means that on offense we got the ball to him 3 times?! his fg% is at 61% for the season, so his are very high percentage shots. why cant we get him the ball?
actually, the more i think about this the more i question if getting him the ball is the problem. maybe we ARE getting him the ball and hes kicking it back out if he doesnt have a relatively easy attempt. could it be that he needs to pick up his own offensive intensity and go to the basket a little harder when he gets the ball?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2007, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 06, 2007, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2007, 04:47:32 PM
hmm...was it Earl Campbell?
Actually, I think it was the alph-male on the National Geographic special who eats the bugs off the other Apes!
Shhhh.... No names CNU85.

I'm going to laugh for a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2007, 10:59:08 AM
Mensa,

I tuned into the game at halftime. When I heard CNU was up by 8, my first thought was - "we still have time to make it close!!".

102-96 in regulation.....where's the D in that game? I guess the good news is that CNU only has 3 in the L column for conference games....so does everybody else in contention. 4 games left.....2 road, 2 home.......gonna be nerve wracking (Hasanova would pull out some latin medical terms - I'm just a redneck with a few college degrees!!  :-*)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 07, 2007, 11:13:55 AM
nota

I am going to jump in on here.  I haven't had time to go look at the last two pages of CNU recap. (Just a joke)  From what I see in the box score everything seems to be about the same, if not better in the favor of CNU.  I really don't know what to say nota.  I came on here to talk about FT's orginally.  Maybe that is still the case.   29 FT's 10 being in the last 40 seconds or so for NCWC.  CNU just fouled the wrong guy.  I wasn't there but to give on of the best FT shooters 8 FTA in the last 40 seconds is tough.  NCWC has plan on getting him to the line.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 07, 2007, 11:13:55 AM
nota

I came on here to talk about FT's orginally.  29 FT's 10 being in the last 40 seconds or so for NCWC.  CNU just fouled the wrong guy.  I wasn't there but to give on of the best FT shooters 8 FTA in the last 40 seconds is tough.  NCWC has plan on getting him to the line.
dont get me started on fouling lenny hall. he was 19/22 from the ft line last year in their gym, 7/9 and 11/12 in ours, and 11/14 this year in ours, so its not like he snuck up on us. with his 12/13 last night, that gives him 60 points from the ft line against us in 5 games over two years. and how stupid is it to not be making defensive substitutions at the end? instead, donte seldon fouled out of the game fouling hall! the best 3pt shooter in the conference, shooting .500 from long for the season, is gone when we need him most. aaggghhhh!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 12:52:47 PM
psbbg,

read what i said last night about how the stats SEEMED to be skewed in cnus favor.

Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 09:03:23 AM
to reconcile this, keep in mind that ncw had 10 more attempts in the game, 12 more fts (and made 9/10 down the stretch), had only 9 tos, and 3 times as many stls as cnu (with a paltry 3 for the game). the final tally works out to be... general apathy and lack of heart on the part of the captains. maybe they will find their hearts at the end of the yellow brick road? i hope that they do so before the conf tournament.


and here is how the scoring would be for guts, determination, and effort (if there were such stats) -

ncw - triple double
cnu - brick, brick, brick
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 12:52:47 PM
and here is how the scoring would be for guts, determination, and effort (if there were such stats) -

ncw - triple double
cnu - brick, brick, brick
put that on the bulletin board, coach.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2007, 01:02:42 PM
lenny hall is not only an outstanding ft shooter, i've seen few college basketball players, at any level, who are more adept at getting to the line...he does a great job of anticipating and drawing contact and then finishing the play

if i were a coach,  that would be at the top of my scouting report for him...stay vertical, don't reach and flop when he initiates the contact (which happens quite frequently) to hope that you can draw a charge - in  late game situations i would do everything in my power to keep the ball out of that kid's hands, including fouling the worst ft shooter off the ball before it's inbounded...he's simply too clutch to let him have the ball on the ft line with the game in the balance

pride1fan...what are your thoughts on lenny?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 07, 2007, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: narch on February 07, 2007, 01:02:42 PM
lenny hall is not only an outstanding ft shooter, i've seen few college basketball players, at any level, who are more adept at getting to the line...he does a great job of anticipating and drawing contact and then finishing the play

if i were a coach,  that would be at the top of my scouting report for him...stay vertical, don't reach and flop when he initiates the contact (which happens quite frequently) to hope that you can draw a charge - in  late game situations i would do everything in my power to keep the ball out of that kid's hands, including fouling the worst ft shooter off the ball before it's inbounded...he's simply too clutch to let him have the ball on the ft line with the game in the balance

pride1fan...what are your thoughts on lenny?

I just couldn't agree with you more on that.  I think his FTA are probably the most by any team in the conference.  I wonder where he compares in the country on FTA. (I am not expecting him to lead that catergory, interesting to know though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: narch on February 07, 2007, 01:02:42 PM
lenny hall is not only an outstanding ft shooter, i've seen few college basketball players, at any level, who are more adept at getting to the line...he does a great job of anticipating and drawing contact and then finishing the play
i definitely agree with the second part, that hes great at getting to the line, but im not sure that hes an outstanding ft shooter. hes only 79% for the year, and if you take out his ft shooting performances against cnu (11/14, 12/13) hes only 75%. but he IS an outstanding ft shooter against cnu. he has our number. i wonder... did woolum not try to recruit him, and maybe hes really pod at us?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 07, 2007, 02:00:47 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 12:52:47 PM
and here is how the scoring would be for guts, determination, and effort (if there were such stats) -

ncw - triple double
cnu - brick, brick, brick
put that on the bulletin board, coach.
Are you enjoying yourself with yourself?  (Allow myself to introduce.... myself)
I count no fewer than 4 times that this kid quotes himself, and then comments on his own comments??????
You get the feeling no one's listening?
BTW... Not to deminish the great analytical work you've done to date...
CNU losed because they have no defense.  My neighbors 10-year old figured that out week 6.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on February 07, 2007, 02:08:26 PM
We had a good win against Methodist last night, 71-52.  One of the stats was pts off turnovers where AU got 27 to MU's 11.  Also, it looks like we're going away from relying a lot on the 3 ball and going inside more.  Of our 52 total shots, we only took 6 from 3 pt range and made 3 of those.  CNU game on Saturday is huge!  Despite what everyone is saying about CNU's intensity, etc., I guarantee you AU worries about this team!  Should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 07, 2007, 02:10:51 PM
Feel the love?
Don't be hatin'
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 07, 2007, 02:45:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 07, 2007, 10:59:08 AM
Mensa,

I tuned into the game at halftime. When I heard CNU was up by 8, my first thought was - "we still have time to make it close!!".

102-96 in regulation.....where's the D in that game? I guess the good news is that CNU only has 3 in the L column for conference games....so does everybody else in contention. 4 games left.....2 road, 2 home.......gonna be nerve wracking (Hasanova would pull out some latin medical terms - I'm just a redneck with a few college degrees!!  :-*)
Nerve wracking works for me!  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 07, 2007, 02:00:47 PM
Are you enjoying yourself with yourself?  (Allow myself to introduce.... myself)
I count no fewer than 4 times that this kid quotes himself, and then comments on his own comments??????
You get the feeling no one's listening?
BTW... Not to deminish the great analytical work you've done to date...
CNU losed because they have no defense.  My neighbors 10-year old figured that out week 6.
cnu LOSED because they have no defense? gee, i never thought of that. maybe you would like me to quote myself again on one of the DOZENS of times ive said that? duh. you seem to know enough about my posting history, did you just disregard those lack of defense posts in the spirit of conflict? welcome to the board, and you now have the dubious distinction of taking my very first smite... ahhhh, it feels so good. and YOU losed because you dont know the difference between losed and lost.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on February 07, 2007, 04:20:19 PM
There is an article on D3hoops about the 2007 regional rankings.  In the South region, AU comes in at #7.  Virginia Weslyan and Guilford are also in the group.  I would have thought Greensboro might have shown up
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2007, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 03:01:24 PM
ahhhh, it feels so good. and YOU losed because you dont know the difference between losed and lost.

ok...now I'm laughing for 2 weeks...I hope I never losed my sense of humor!!!

I'm cracking myself up!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 07, 2007, 05:04:07 PM
I was going to give myself Karma for my last post.....but that's kinda like......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 07, 2007, 05:03:32 PM
I hope I never losed my sense of humor!!!

I'm cracking myself up!!!!
i losed my sense of humor for a little while this afternoon, but i seem to have it back now. in fact, im laughing harder right now than i did during the wrestling scene in borat, and i dont even know why. it must be because of your buddy, roundball. is that a physical description, perhaps? or, it could be because of the 3 beers i had for dinner.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 05:45:53 PM
i losed my sense of humor for a little while this afternoon, but i seem to have it back now. in fact, im laughing harder right now than i did during the wrestling scene in borat, and i dont even know why. it must be because of your buddy, roundball. is that a physical description, perhaps? or, it could be because of the 3 beers i had for dinner.
wow, this guy (that being the poster that i am now quoting) is freaking brilliant.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 07, 2007, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 05:45:53 PM
i losed my sense of humor for a little while this afternoon, but i seem to have it back now. in fact, im laughing harder right now than i did during the wrestling scene in borat, and i dont even know why. it must be because of your buddy, roundball. is that a physical description, perhaps? or, it could be because of the 3 beers i had for dinner.
wow, this guy (that being the poster that i am now quoting) is freaking brilliant.
lol. That was just too easy.
I guess I hit a nerve... you had to log off and back on 3 times to comment.  Hope I didn't monopolize your entire afternoon!
Can I get some of that karma you all talk about so much?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2007, 08:43:07 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 01:44:05 PMim not sure that hes an outstanding ft shooter. hes only 79% for the year, and if you take out his ft shooting performances against cnu (11/14, 12/13) hes only 75%.
maybe outstanding was too strong...but he does rank 2nd in the conference at 82.1% overall and 8th at 79.1% in conference games...so maybe i should have said he's one of the best in the conference rather than outstanding
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 07, 2007, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 07, 2007, 08:25:40 PM
lol. That was just too easy.
I guess I hit a nerve... you had to log off and back on 3 times to comment.  Hope I didn't monopolize your entire afternoon!
wow, am i going to need a restraining order? thats really, really creepy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 08, 2007, 12:57:22 AM
I said if you are going to hit my karma let me know why? based on my power ranking formula CNU is running at about 44% on defense.  50% is about average. That means 50% on defense and 50% on offense should make you a .500 team.  CNU has an offense at 54%.  Narch defense wins championships. I think there are quite a few teams out there (maybe CNU) all they are out to do is just out score you.  With the 3pt shot a coach can bring in a bunch of 3pt shooters and just out shoot any team and win (thats pretty much the grinnell approach, where defense is a plus)  Loyola-Marymount and the run they had as well

nota-

again I don't think CNU will win the conference becuase they don't have the defense.  The offense they have is a plus.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 08, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
cnu85,

you obviously know this roundball guy, so im asking you if i should be concerned. do you know why he would be so obsessed? does he like ? that he would monitor when i log on and off this site is really creepy. i feel like i have a stalker. how would he even know when i logged on and off if he didnt sit there all day watching my online/offline indicator switch back and forth?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 08, 2007, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 08, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
cnu85,

you obviously know this roundball guy, so im asking you if i should be concerned. do you know why he would be so obsessed? does he like teenage boys? that he would monitor when i log on and off this site is really creepy. i feel like i have a stalker. how would he even know when i logged on and off if he didnt sit there all day watching my online/offline indicator switch back and forth?

Relax Mensa.  You're safe.  I was just ribbing you a little.  I got the impression you would take it well based on the many posts I've read.
And as for this CNU85 guy... I'm not sure we've ever met to be honest.
I hope to meet you both... maybe I'll get back to Virginia before the season ends and we can see a game.  The lord knows I spent enough time out on the court playing against the Captains in my time, it would be nice to watch the action from up on high once!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 08, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
cnu85,

you obviously know this roundball guy, so im asking you if i should be concerned. do you know why he would be so obsessed? does he like teenage boys? that he would monitor when i log on and off this site is really creepy. i feel like i have a stalker. how would he even know when i logged on and off if he didnt sit there all day watching my online/offline indicator switch back and forth?


Actually, roundbll is a "she"...don't let her fool you. We met over beer one night, and well as they say...the rest is history.....and believe me....YOU WANT her to stalk you!!!  :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 08, 2007, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 08, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
cnu85,

you obviously know this roundball guy, so im asking you if i should be concerned. do you know why he would be so obsessed? does he like teenage boys? that he would monitor when i log on and off this site is really creepy. i feel like i have a stalker. how would he even know when i logged on and off if he didnt sit there all day watching my online/offline indicator switch back and forth?
Actually, roundbll is a "she"...don't let her fool you. We met over beer one night, and well as they say...the rest is history.....and believe me....YOU WANT her to stalk you!!!  :P
Uh oh, Fatal Attraction.  Is the rabbit still alive?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 01:39:41 PM
"you can't catch me,
the rabbit's done died"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 08, 2007, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 08, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
cnu85,

you obviously know this roundball guy, so im asking you if i should be concerned. do you know why he would be so obsessed? does he like teenage boys? that he would monitor when i log on and off this site is really creepy. i feel like i have a stalker. how would he even know when i logged on and off if he didnt sit there all day watching my online/offline indicator switch back and forth?


Actually, roundbll is a "she"...don't let her fool you. We met over beer one night, and well as they say...the rest is history.....and believe me....YOU WANT her to stalk you!!!  :P
I warned you!
Now you're cut off....
For now anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 08, 2007, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 01:39:41 PM
"you can't catch me,
the rabbit's done died"
"...I knew a cheerleader who was a real young breeder, oh the times I could reminisce"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 02:25:56 PM
man...there must not be any games for a few days!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 08, 2007, 05:15:25 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 02:25:56 PM
man...there must not be any games for a few days!!

There once was a lull in the action.
All posters were bored to distraction!
To cheer up their readers
They ogled cheerleaders
So keenly their eyes were in traction! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 08, 2007, 07:33:05 PM
wow, not much hoops going on here... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 08, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: averetthoops on February 07, 2007, 04:20:19 PM
There is an article on D3hoops about the 2007 regional rankings.  In the South region, AU comes in at #7.  Virginia Weslyan and Guilford are also in the group.  I would have thought Greensboro might have shown up

With half the conference currently in first place, I think it's hard to argue that one of us even belongs in the south region rankings...  Averett is probably riding their #11 national ranking from earlier in the year now that they seem to be healthy again.  At this point it's all up for grabs... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 08, 2007, 07:56:16 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 02:10:12 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 05, 2007, 01:50:35 PM
GC has 15 Wins, AU 14 and CNU 13.  I must be biased towards AU too.  CNU has the best record in the conference and they are listed 3rd.
i never said you were biased...in fact, i called your formula unbiased, as you have stated many times previously...read the post

i ran the 3 teams at the top of the conference through a sosi type formula (in fact, it is the sosi formula, except i applied it to ALL d3 teams, not just regional competition) - here is how this formula ranked these teams

averett: 9.32, 13-6 vs. d3 competition, 7-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-0 vs. teams under .333
gc: 9.17, 13-5 vs. d3 competition, 4-4 vs. teams above .500, 4-0 vs. teams under .333
cnu: 8.11, 11-7 vs. d3 competition, 3-4 vs. teams above .500, 1-1 vs. teams under .333

Narch, I'd be curious if you ran this for Averett twice:  once in games where Averett is at full strength and once while they were in injury mode...   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 08, 2007, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 05, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
Shenandoah
'nova - you obviously didn't read the news over the weekend

shenandoah (or su for those of us that can't remember how to spell it) left the usasac for the cac and, in swift action, the usasac leadership picked up another school, shenadoah college, in hopes that the similarity in spelling would confuse the ncaa and allow the usasac to keep it's aq status


Outstanding gentleman, thanks for sticking up for the old shenandoah while I've been away on business.  I guess when you have locked up the last place spot this early in the year you have a few more allies - although, as Narch pointed out earlier, we're only 4 games out of first...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 08, 2007, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 08, 2007, 08:07:06 PM
Quote from: narch on February 05, 2007, 01:46:24 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 05, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
Shenandoah
'nova - you obviously didn't read the news over the weekend

shenandoah (or su for those of us that can't remember how to spell it) left the usasac for the cac and, in swift action, the usasac leadership picked up another school, shenadoah college, in hopes that the similarity in spelling would confuse the ncaa and allow the usasac to keep it's aq status


Outstanding gentleman, thanks for sticking up for the old shenandoah while I've been away on business.  I guess when you have locked up the last place spot this early in the year you have a few more allies - although, as Narch pointed out earlier, we're only 4 games out of first...
Shenandoah first, then all schools Wesleyan.  So many missing letters, so little time.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2007, 12:48:42 PM
monarch starting pg ab lehmann (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/academic020807.htm) was just named to the academic all-district team...congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 09, 2007, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 08, 2007, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 01:39:41 PM
"you can't catch me,
the rabbit's done died"
"...I knew a cheerleader who was a real young breeder, oh the times I could reminisce"

I think it was "bleeder"

'cause the best thing lovin'
With her sister and her cousin
Only started with a little kiss, like this!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 09, 2007, 12:59:19 PM
can't wait to see how things change between now and Sunday night....it's gonna be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 09, 2007, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 09, 2007, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 08, 2007, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 01:39:41 PM
"you can't catch me,
the rabbit's done died"
"...I knew a cheerleader who was a real young breeder, oh the times I could reminisce"

I think it was "bleeder"

'cause the best thing lovin'
With her sister and her cousin
Only started with a little kiss, like this!
Ya, you friggin' Googled it...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 09, 2007, 09:56:33 PM
Is it me or was there a post removed?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 10, 2007, 09:55:02 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 09, 2007, 09:56:33 PM
Is it me or was there a post removed?

?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 10, 2007, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 09, 2007, 12:59:19 PM
can't wait to see how things change between now and Sunday night....it's gonna be fun!
Formula =  Today's picks go with the home teams:

Averett over CNU
Ferrum over Shenandoah
Greensboro over NCWC

I would like to be wrong about the SU game...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 10, 2007, 10:47:10 AM
If you struggle with the correct spellings for USASAC schools, consider these alternatives.  Not only do they avoid teasing, they save time!:

Averett University is spelled AU
Christopher Newport University is spelled CNU
Ferrum College is spelled FC
Greensboro College is spelled GC
Maryville College is spelled MC
Methodist University is spelled MU
North Carolina Wesleyan College is spelled NCWC
Peace College is spelled PC
Shenandoah University is spelled SU

Only kidding guys!  Hope everyone has a good day!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 10, 2007, 11:51:52 AM
I hope Ferrum does not begin to call itself a university.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 10, 2007, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 10, 2007, 11:51:52 AMI hope Ferrum does not begin to call itself a university.
I hope a lot of places don't do that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:35:20 PM
Sound like the CNU vs AU game was plagued with some of that great USA South officiating...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck....

Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 10, 2007, 05:54:11 PM
Good Job Greensboro.  After a slow start for both teams and a tied score at the half.  Good job on pulling away. Lenny Hall only had 10pts.

Plus a NCWC player on a rebound had the ball bounce of his head and two points for GC. (It actually was hard to tell, It could have been a GC player, but it was with out a doubt off of somebody's head.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 10, 2007, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck....

Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.
Some cheese with the whine mam?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 06:14:47 PM
No whine really...  So long as it's warm enough here in Vegas tomorrow and I still get 36 holes in, I'm good.  Just a simple obsevation based on what I heard broadcast on the web.  Any idiot could have figured it out...
I thought I told you, I'm a Florida fan!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 10, 2007, 06:29:32 PM
so
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 10, 2007, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck.... Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.
affect
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 10, 2007, 08:25:43 PM
shoot 2 late
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 11, 2007, 08:33:46 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 10, 2007, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck.... Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.
affect
You are really something special drivesanova.
We all appreciate so much how quick you are to correct.
Now get a life.
And give me some more of that negative karma, Pride1fan is kicking my butt.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 11, 2007, 11:51:05 PM
We come upon the last week of the season. Since regional rankings and Pat Coleman's QOWI release.  I will put my "values" next to the teams.  These values of course are how the teams are ranked.

Week 12 Power Rankings

Greensboro   8.066305
Averett   7.143324
CNU   5.033846
NC Wesleyan   2.935940
Ferrum   1.733618
Methodist   1.600009
Shenadoah   -1.696254

As you can see the top 3 spots are solid and I am going to assume that NCWC can't finish any higher than 4th.  The only difference between FC and MU is FC does have the extra win over MU.  I believe that to be the reason why FC jumped over MU.  MU has 3 games left in conference and FC one.  Unless MU loses all 3 I would expect at the end for them to jump ahead of FC.  SU has a solid grasp on last place.  That is the only thing certain.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2007, 12:01:24 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 11, 2007, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 11, 2007, 08:33:46 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 10, 2007, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck.... Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.
affect
You are really something special drivesanova.
We all appreciate so much how quick you are to correct.
Now get a life.
And give me some more of that negative karma, Pride1fan is kicking my butt.
Well, roundbll, I'm sure you're quite special, but that quality isn't reflected in your post.  I, on the other hand, am not very special.  About all I can claim is knowing the difference between the verb affect and the noun effect by the time I went to college.   I have a nice life (and had a nice life before you joined us!), but thanks for thinking of me.  I have no issue with you, roundball, so please continue your education in peace.  This was an opportunity for you to learn, but you blindly chose to ignore it.  Please accept a positive karma from me and be grateful your college accepted you - as I'm sure many others would not have.  I sincerely hope your team's victories will somehow compensate for your lack of scholastic accomplishment.
Ouch, what's this - some kind of ODAC slight toward academic superiority?  Or just a crosstown "sibling" rivalry?

In other news... Old Shenandoah loses again.  Congrats to JLawrence, he scored his 1000th career point while notching his 11th double-double of the year (12 points 10 rebounds).  The guy is a beast, wish he had some help out there...   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2007, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 11, 2007, 11:51:05 PM
SU has a solid grasp on last place.  That is the only thing certain.


Well, that and taxes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2007, 12:12:17 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 10, 2007, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM

Or just a crosstown "sibling" rivalry?

My fault, with the immediate response from Hasanova, I had just assumed that it was directed toward a Greensboro poster...  I guess it's past my bedtime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 10, 2007, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck....

Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.
Some cheese with the whine mam?

ma'am
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:23:57 PM
Hasanova...how'd ya miss that one??...give me Karma, dude!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck....

Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.

have to admit it was bad......enuff for CJ to say he's contacting the league.....but he did admit that the last second "foul" on Barton was really a good "no call".....so we have to give him credit for being honest. The radio guy tends to be a little biased...after all, his check is from CNU!!!  ;D

This weekend is gonna be fun......hey roundballgirl...ya gonna be in town? I'll buy you a beer before a game and take advantage of you!!!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:38:52 PM
I listened to both games on the radio.....When we were up by 20 against FC (soon to be FU??) I kept thinking, wow...see what can happen when you REBOUND!!! But, we found a way to make it close...again. The AU game was terrible to listen to as a CNU fan......a few times I found myself saying..."whatever".

This weekend will be fun.....can't wait for the week to end and watch some hoops. Hopefully CNU will get a home game next Tuesday......

Everyone should be there Saturday.....gotta say goodbye to the seniors...especially Selden!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 12, 2007, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:23:57 PM
Hasanova...how'd ya miss that one??...give me Karma, dude!!
Hey, CNU85.  I didn't miss it, I just chose to ignore it.  Some of the younger "dudes" seem to get miffed at me because they can't spell (or spell like a text message).  They should really be mad at themselves and not me.  lol  Oh well, they'll learn when "old" guys like me send their resume back with a "thanks, but no thanks".  Karma for you, though.  Good luck to the Captains down the stretch! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 12, 2007, 06:01:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 10, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Then Barton gets hammered while shooting in the last second and...no call.
These officials suck....

Go ahead fellas, talk your BS about how officials don't effect game outcome.

have to admit it was bad......enuff for CJ to say he's contacting the league.....but he did admit that the last second "foul" on Barton was really a good "no call".....so we have to give him credit for being honest. The radio guy tends to be a little biased...after all, his check is from CNU!!!  ;D

This weekend is gonna be fun......hey roundballgirl...ya gonna be in town? I'll buy you a beer before a game and take advantage of you!!!  :o
I want more than a beer you big hunk of man.
But let me buy, I sold buckets of big $$ stock for some clients in Southern California last week in Vegas.  I need to spend a lot this month or Uncle Sam will have my number... We'll call it a business meeting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 12, 2007, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:38:52 PM
I listened to both games on the radio.....When we were up by 20 against FC (soon to be FU??) I kept thinking, wow...see what can happen when you REBOUND!!! But, we found a way to make it close...again. The AU game was terrible to listen to as a CNU fan......a few times I found myself saying..."whatever".

This weekend will be fun.....can't wait for the week to end and watch some hoops. Hopefully CNU will get a home game next Tuesday......

Everyone should be there Saturday.....gotta say goodbye to the seniors...especially Selden!
"Tay" as the fellas call him, willbe sorely missed, not just for his great play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 12, 2007, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 12, 2007, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:23:57 PM
Hasanova...how'd ya miss that one??...give me Karma, dude!!
Hey, CNU85.  I didn't miss it, I just chose to ignore it.  Some of the younger "dudes" seem to get miffed at me because they can't spell (or spell like a text message).  They should really be mad at themselves and not me.  lol  Oh well, they'll learn when "old" guys like me send their resume back with a "thanks, but no thanks".  Karma for you, though.  Good luck to the Captains down the stretch! 
resume'
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 12, 2007, 06:13:56 PM
I motion to bring actual basketball talk back to the board.  Is there a second.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 12, 2007, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 12, 2007, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 12, 2007, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2007, 01:23:57 PM
Hasanova...how'd ya miss that one??...give me Karma, dude!!
Hey, CNU85.  I didn't miss it, I just chose to ignore it.  Some of the younger "dudes" seem to get miffed at me because they can't spell (or spell like a text message).  They should really be mad at themselves and not me.  lol  Oh well, they'll learn when "old" guys like me send their resume back with a "thanks, but no thanks".  Karma for you, though.  Good luck to the Captains down the stretch! 
resume'
résumé
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2007, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 12, 2007, 06:13:56 PM
I motion to bring actual basketball talk back to the board.  Is there a second.
seconded...monarchs win 79-73 vs. ncwc tonight to improve to 5-5 in conference and 10-12 overall

and your ranking formula is seriously flawed :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 12, 2007, 11:00:13 PM
Quote from: narch on February 12, 2007, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 12, 2007, 06:13:56 PMI motion to bring actual basketball talk back to the board.  Is there a second.
seconded...monarchs win 79-73 vs. ncwc tonight to improve to 5-5 in conference and 10-12 overall

and your ranking formula is seriously flawed :)
narch, congratulations to the Monarchs tonight.  When they were sitting at 4-2 about 6 weeks ago after the tournament win at RMC, I sure had them pegged for a great season.  Also, when they took Guilford to double OT on the trip I took to MU, they did nothing to change my mind either.  What's it look like as you head toward the USASAC tournament and then 2007-08?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2007, 11:40:54 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 12, 2007, 11:00:13 PMnarch, congratulations to the Mornarchs tonight.  When they were sitting at 4-2 about 6 weeks ago after the tournament win at RMC, I sure had them pegged for a great season.  Also, when they took Guilford to double OT on the trip I took to MU, they did nothing to change my mind either.  What's it look like as you head toward the USASAC tournament and then 2007-08?

thanks, 'nova - i had nothing to do with the win tonight, though, so no congrats are in order :)

i'm with you on all accounts, but i knew the schedule was going to be brutal and i knew this was a team that had holes...that being said and in the short-term, i think on any given night there is enough talent to play with any team in the usasac...i don't think any of the top 3 teams really want to play the monarchs come tournament time

long term...there is quality talent on the perimeter in lehmann, bascom and company (although robert lee will be lost), but there are some holes to fill in the post - shuford should be back and moore has played nice, valuable minutes lately - i know the coaching staff is really after a couple of big guys...but so is everybody else - we'll see - i'm just hoping that this team plays to their fullest capability come tourney time
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 13, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
Quote from: narch on February 12, 2007, 11:40:54 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 12, 2007, 11:00:13 PMnarch, congratulations to the Mornarchs tonight.  When they were sitting at 4-2 about 6 weeks ago after the tournament win at RMC, I sure had them pegged for a great season.  Also, when they took Guilford to double OT on the trip I took to MU, they did nothing to change my mind either.  What's it look like as you head toward the USASAC tournament and then 2007-08?

thanks, 'nova - i had nothing to do with the win tonight, though, so no congrats are in order :)

i'm with you on all accounts, but i knew the schedule was going to be brutal and i knew this was a team that had holes...that being said and in the short-term, i think on any given night there is enough talent to play with any team in the usasac...i don't think any of the top 3 teams really want to play the monarchs come tournament time

long term...there is quality talent on the perimeter in lehmann, bascom and company (although robert lee will be lost), but there are some holes to fill in the post - shuford should be back and moore has played nice, valuable minutes lately - i know the coaching staff is really after a couple of big guys...but so is everybody else - we'll see - i'm just hoping that this team plays to their fullest capability come tourney time
Well, sometimes awesome fan support can give a team the extra boost it needs.  :)  Good luck to MU in the tournament.  I see by the message at the bottom of your post that you saw the Taco Bell commercials during the Super Bowl.  lol

PS I know you regret Strong not opting for MU in 2004, so I'm honestly not trying to bring up bad memories, but I have to tell you how he's been playing.  The guy is absolutely performing on a different planet right now.  He got ODAC Player of the Week yesterday for the 4th time this season.  In the 3 games last week, he had 22, 28 and 29 points with 32 total rebounds.  In the BC game, Ben was 14 of 15 from the floor and in the EMU game, he was 13 of 15 from the line.  In my honest opinion, he should be ODAC Player of the Year even though VWC's Adair was National POY last season.  I'm not sure who Guilford has in the recruiting pipeline, but GC looks relatively solid again next season.  We lose Burge and Snipes, but there are some freshmen who've gotten a lot of minutes this year who look ready to step up even more.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2007, 10:50:35 AM
Narch -  I love the signature...even has the Retardo Moneypalms accent.

Have you seen the latest version......when they are in camp......"got any sour cream?"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2007, 02:55:39 PM
'nova - thanks for the update on ben...he certainly would have looked nice in green and gold, but obviously mu wasn't the right school for him - i said earlier in the season that i thought he would get some serious acclaim on a national level...honestly, i wouldn't be shocked if ben was named an all-american before his career is over (maybe even this year)...he's that good

it's funny how success in sports follows cycles - when mu was recruiting strong, the monarchs were in the midst of a nice little run of conference championships and guilford was, to put it nicely, not that good - i wondered why a basketball player would leave (as snipes did) or choose not to attend (as strong did) mu for guilford, of all places (from a purely basketball standpoint, of course) - flash forward a few years and the quackers are really putting things together while the monarchs are fighting for a 4th place finish in the usasac...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 13, 2007, 03:22:00 PM
Quote from: narch on February 13, 2007, 02:55:39 PM
'nova - thanks for the update on ben...he certainly would have looked nice in green and gold, but obviously mu wasn't the right school for him - i said earlier in the season that i thought he would get some serious acclaim on a national level...honestly, i wouldn't be shocked if ben was named an all-american before his career is over (maybe even this year)...he's that good

it's funny how success in sports follows cycles - when mu was recruiting strong, the monarchs were in the midst of a nice little run of conference championships and guilford was, to put it nicely, not that good - i wondered why a basketball player would leave (as snipes did) or choose not to attend (as strong did) mu for guilford, of all places (from a purely basketball standpoint, of course) - flash forward a few years and the quackers are really putting things together while the monarchs are fighting for a 4th place finish in the usasac...
Hey narch, I also think Ben has some national awards in his future.  I think he's currently 7th in the country in both scoring and rebounding and he also leads the ODAC by a large margin in blocked shots.  Moving up to 17th this week in the Top 25 also helps his national visibility.  If the Quakers could unseat the Marlins in the ODAC tournament and/or make a dent in the NCAA playoffs, that would certainly increase his national exposure as well.  Speaking of Snipes, I'm not sure if he saw something in who Guilford was recruiting or perhaps Guilford had originally recruited him, but he's certainly had a good 3-year career in Greensboro.  I'll agree with your assessment of Guilford basketball.  They were 3-21 in 1999 and then Coach Estes got them to 6 and 10 and 15 wins in his tenure.  Palombo seems well-suited to DIII, however, and has built the program this year with everyone he recruited.  I was in the stands 6 or 7 years ago and I could see the signs of improvement, but this has definitely been the breakout year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2007, 04:09:42 PM
Narch - this one is for you.....

how are the teams seeded for the conf tourney if AU, GC, and CNU complete the season at 8-4?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 14, 2007, 09:47:22 AM
Tiebreaker is, I believe, determined in a three-way by taking the records of how your team did against the two teams that said team is tied with. If you cant figure it out that way, then you look at each team and how they did against the next highest seeded team and if you cant figure it out that way, take a gun and shoot yourself!!

PS Just kidding on the last part!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 14, 2007, 09:57:07 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 14, 2007, 09:47:22 AM
Tiebreaker is, I believe, determined in a three-way by taking the records of how your team did against the two teams that said team is tied with. If you cant figure it out that way, then you look at each team and how they did against the next highest seeded team and if you cant figure it out that way, take a gun and shoot yourself!!

PS Just kidding on the last part!  ;)

I think because I am not entirely sure one tiebreaker has to do with where your losses come from in conference play.  Say Greensboro and CNU beats SU twice and because AU lost to them once CNU and Greensboro would force AU to lose the tiebreaker.  If that is true then the NCWC games come into play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 10:40:51 AM
Dang - I was too optimistic....I was hoping for an answer like:

1. team name
2. team name
3. team name

I didn't want to actually figure it out myself......

where's my bullet?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 14, 2007, 03:20:14 PM
Say CNU wins out

Greensboro - Split with Averett, swept by CNU - 2-2
CNU - split with Averett, swept GC - 3-1
Averett - split with CNU and Greensboro - 2-2 (but AU has to lose to NC Wesleyan too)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 14, 2007, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 10:40:51 AM
Dang - I was too optimistic....I was hoping for an answer like:

1. team name
2. team name
3. team name

I didn't want to actually figure it out myself......

where's my bullet?

'85 - given your hypothetical of the top 3 teams finishing 8-4, gc would win vs. su and lose to cnu, cnu would sweep mu and gc and au would lose to ncwc (all very real possibilities) - in this scenario, this would be the seeding

1. team name - cnu
2. team name - au
3. team name - gc

no need for a bullet, and no need to figure it out yourself...pretty much what the mongoose said, but in a cnu85, easy-to-read format :)

given a ncwc win over au and an assumed win over ferrum, they would be the 4 seed, the monarchs would be the 5 seed, ferrum the 6 seed and su the 7 seed
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 03:52:50 PM
Karma for everyone!!!

Thanks!! I just can't seem to engage the brain today.....gonna be fun no matter what happens.....and dang it  - I'm gonna be out of town the weekend of the tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
where's roundbll? I need to make a date and make her pay for my alcohol this weekend!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 03:59:52 PM
dang...I was just re-reading posts and it was my buddy RTT who suggested the bullet if I couldn't figure it out.......where's the love!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 14, 2007, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
where's roundbll? I need to make a date and make her pay for my alcohol this weekend!!
...an argument could easily be made, however, that the only notable differences to be found between the terms "hero worship," "cult of personality," or even, more simply, excessive admiration are largely in the context of the person making the accusation.

Any typo's nova?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 14, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 14, 2007, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
where's roundbll? I need to make a date and make her pay for my alcohol this weekend!!
...an argument could easily be made, however, that the only notable differences to be found between the terms "hero worship," "cult of personality," or even, more simply, excessive admiration are largely in the context of the person making the accusation.

Any typo's nova?
Yes, since you ask, there are.  Ironically, the plural form of typo is "typos."  Also, the question "Any typo's nova?" should include a comma after the word "typos" as in "Any typos, nova?"  It was, however, a pretty nice post when you consider the overall context.  I'm glad to help.  I had not intended to offer any critique, but it's a gentleman's duty to comply when asked.   Don't you agree?   Please write anything you want, as I am now unavailable for further comment.  Peace.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 14, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 14, 2007, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
where's roundbll? I need to make a date and make her pay for my alcohol this weekend!!
...an argument could easily be made, however, that the only notable differences to be found between the terms "hero worship," "cult of personality," or even, more simply, excessive admiration are largely in the context of the person making the accusation.

Any typo's nova?
Yes, since you ask, there are.  Ironically, the plural form of typo is "typos."  Also, the question "Any typo's nova?" should include a comma after the word "typos" as in "Any typos, nova?"  It was, however, a pretty nice post when you consider the overall context.  I'm glad to help.  I had not intended to offer any critique, but it's a gentleman's duty to comply when asked.   Don't you agree?   Please write anything you want, as I am now unavailable for further comment.  Peace.

HAHAHAHA....my turn......Nova made an error.....

Any typos, nova........ Since nova is a proper noun it should be Nova. And maybe (cuz I really don't know nor really care - but this is fun) since it is a shortened version of Hasanova...shouldn't the proper presentation be 'Nova?

Dang - and all I axed about was getting some beer Friday night with Roundbll's round set of _____ ;D :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 11:27:48 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 14, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 14, 2007, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
where's roundbll? I need to make a date and make her pay for my alcohol this weekend!!
...an argument could easily be made, however, that the only notable differences to be found between the terms "hero worship," "cult of personality," or even, more simply, excessive admiration are largely in the context of the person making the accusation.

Any typo's nova?
Yes, since you ask, there are.  Ironically, the plural form of typo is "typos."  Also, the question "Any typo's nova?" should include a comma after the word "typos" as in "Any typos, nova?"  It was, however, a pretty nice post when you consider the overall context.  I'm glad to help.  I had not intended to offer any critique, but it's a gentleman's duty to comply when asked.   Don't you agree?   Please write anything you want, as I am now unavailable for further comment.  Peace.

HAHAHAHA....my turn......Nova made an error.....

Any typos, nova........ Since nova is a proper noun it should be Nova. And maybe (cuz I really don't know nor really care - but this is fun) since it is a shortened version of Hasanova...shouldn't the proper presentation be 'Nova?

Dang - and all I axed about was getting some beer Friday night with Roundbll's round set of _____ ;D :o
I only gave two examples, not an exhaustive list.  Besides, I just repeated what roundbll said.  I cited roundbll's question as a quote and did not claim it as my post.  Now, we'll return to our basketball coverage.  :)

First, where and when is the USASAC tournament and who's the odds on favorite?   Second, who's buying the first round of beer?  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 11:38:12 AM
First round is Tuesday night....top seeds get home game.

Winners advance and play at CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 11:39:37 AM
beer....as far as who is buying - who cares.....as long as it is cold!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 11:38:12 AM
First round is Tuesday night....top seeds get home game.

Winners advance and play at CNU

With of course the #1 seed having a "first round" bye.

From what I have come to understand and my source is a good one.  When it comes to the conference tournament only 3 teams/schools are allowed to put a bid on the conference tournament.  AU, MU, and CNU.  The USASouth then decides who gets to be the host.  I would every year pick CNU if I represented the USASouth they have the best facilities.  Although I think the conference tournament should be at a netural site every year.  IMO.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 12:06:48 PM
I think the tourney should rotate among the member schools....a neutal site for our conference would probably mean attendance at around 90 per game. (15 players on each team...mom and dad and a brother or sister watching x 2 teams playing = 90).

Home court advantage, I think, is huge during the tourney...Narch....what are the records of each team in the tourney at home?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 11:39:37 AM
beer....as far as who is buying - who cares.....as long as it is cold!!
Bingo!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Well, a neutral site sounds good, but the attendance might suffer.  It's also not economically feasible to have the tournament rotate among all seven current venues.  Some schools, such as Greensboro, have inadequate facilities.  I'm a proponent of the top seeds hosting the first round games, but that plan has some issues as well.   I think the top seed in a seven team league has a big advantage (as they arguably should) when they get a first round bye.  Look at the era when UCLA won the NCAA championship about 10 times out of 12 years.  They were automatically in the Top 16 every year.  They were great teams, but it's a lot easier to win four straight against tough competition than it is to win six in a row as you must now.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 12:06:48 PM
I think the tourney should rotate among the member schools....a neutal site for our conference would probably mean attendance at around 90 per game. (15 players on each team...mom and dad and a brother or sister watching x 2 teams playing = 90).

Home court advantage, I think, is huge during the tourney...Narch....what are the records of each team in the tourney at home?
Listen '85 you boob.  I'd agree with you if some of the USA South institutional facilities weren't on par with many of the grungier AA high school facilities I've seen.  What about that fan base at Ferrum?  Didn't you listen to Francis' broadcast last week?  Real classy crowd from what I gathered.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 01:03:09 PM
And... You better control your paws a little better next time I hit you up you monkey-boy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Well, a neutral site sounds good, but the attendance might suffer.  It's also not economically feasible to have the tournament rotate among all seven current venues.  Some schools, such as Greensboro, have inadequate facilities.  I'm a proponent of the top seeds hosting the first round games, but that plan has some issues as well.   I think the top seed in a seven team league has a big advantage (as they arguably should) when they get a first round bye.  Look at the era when UCLA won the NCAA championship about 10 times out of 12 years.  They were automatically in the Top 16 every year.  They were great teams, but it's a lot easier to win four straight against tough competition than it is to win six in a row as you must now.     

You really think a neutal site would cause attendance to suffer?  I think with enough marketing and allowing the general public to know. There will be more people at the games.  I think a neutral site like the Greensboro Colliseum (I don't even think that is feasible)  potential recruits of any school, say man I may not be great enough to play in the ACC, but I get to play my conference tournament there just like them.  I think it will help the exposure of the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Well, a neutral site sounds good, but the attendance might suffer.  It's also not economically feasible to have the tournament rotate among all seven current venues.  Some schools, such as Greensboro, have inadequate facilities.  I'm a proponent of the top seeds hosting the first round games, but that plan has some issues as well.   I think the top seed in a seven team league has a big advantage (as they arguably should) when they get a first round bye.  Look at the era when UCLA won the NCAA championship about 10 times out of 12 years.  They were automatically in the Top 16 every year.  They were great teams, but it's a lot easier to win four straight against tough competition than it is to win six in a row as you must now.     

You really think a neutal site would cause attendance to suffer?  I think with enough marketing and allowing the general public to know. There will be more people at the games.  I think a neutral site like the Greensboro Colliseum (I don't even think that is feasible)  potential recruits of any school, say man I may not be great enough to play in the ACC, but I get to play my conference tournament there just like them.  I think it will help the exposure of the conference. 
Except in some towns, the general public doesn't care that much about DIII sports.  Given a choice between watching American Idol or ACC basketball, the USASAC will come in third.   Except to (some) alumni, family, students or avid fans, it just doesn't draw that well in the modern era.  I've seen it evolve over the last 40 years.  You can try the Greensboro Coliseum, but you'll have over 90% vacant seats.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 03:35:31 PM
I agree Hasanova....even schools with good facilities and a home crowd only draw 1300.... a neutral town would mean no crowd, no matter how much marketing you do. Plus, you have to smart with marketing and figure out cost per attendee. The cost would be prohibitive.

I think each school should be given the opportunity to host the tournament....given some guidelines for facilities, they could always have the option of using a nearby alternate facility......but then cost becomes the factor again! As much as I like CNU hosting a lot of the tournaments....it doesn't seem fair.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 02:32:31 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
Well, a neutral site sounds good, but the attendance might suffer.  It's also not economically feasible to have the tournament rotate among all seven current venues.  Some schools, such as Greensboro, have inadequate facilities.  I'm a proponent of the top seeds hosting the first round games, but that plan has some issues as well.   I think the top seed in a seven team league has a big advantage (as they arguably should) when they get a first round bye.  Look at the era when UCLA won the NCAA championship about 10 times out of 12 years.  They were automatically in the Top 16 every year.  They were great teams, but it's a lot easier to win four straight against tough competition than it is to win six in a row as you must now.     

You really think a neutal site would cause attendance to suffer?  I think with enough marketing and allowing the general public to know. There will be more people at the games.  I think a neutral site like the Greensboro Colliseum (I don't even think that is feasible)  potential recruits of any school, say man I may not be great enough to play in the ACC, but I get to play my conference tournament there just like them.  I think it will help the exposure of the conference. 
Except in some towns, the general public doesn't care that much about DIII sports.  Given a choice between watching American Idol or ACC basketball, the USASAC will come in third.   Except to (some) alumni, family, students or avid fans, it just doesn't draw that well in the modern era.  I've seen it evolve over the last 40 years.  You can try the Greensboro Coliseum, but you'll have over 90% vacant seats.

nova-
Well what needs to happen is sombody from the USASouth needs to make it on American Idol  That should boost the USASouth  :D ;)

I agree with you on everything you say.  I at least see your point, I will put it that way.  Where are most of the USASouth basketball player alumni located?  Not at CNU or Newport News.  If I were playing basketball and I was an alumni of one of the USASouth/DIAC I would have to decide, do I take off of work to go watch my team play in a conference tournament? Grant it, it is during the weekend, but a 3 night stay at a hotel right during tax season tells me, no way am I gonna travel up there. (I guess I am talking from a Greensboro point of view or any of the schools that are far away from CNU)

I think it needs to be in a big city. (Newport News is good size)  I think it needs to be around where the alumni are. (Its not that hard to get that information from the school)  Schools need to let alumni know.  If University of North Carolina alumni (not even players) are dedicated.  They need to know.  Tickets for an ACC game are expensive, it won't be expensive for USASouth.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 03:57:50 PM
BBallguy - expense to the fan is not as big an issue. If you give me the opportunity to buy ACC tournament tickets or flat out GIVE me USA South tickets.....I'm buying the ACC tickets and going out of town!!!! I doubt I would go out of town for the USA South Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 15, 2007, 03:57:50 PM
BBallguy - expense to the fan is not as big an issue. If you give me the opportunity to buy ACC tournament tickets or flat out GIVE me USA South tickets.....I'm buying the ACC tickets and going out of town!!!! I doubt I would go out of town for the USA South Tournament.
That's it.  Look, no one confuses Duke and UNC.  Everyone knows the rivalry.  People would fly across the country (even if they're not alumni) for the chance to attend.  I can't even give tickets away to Guilford and Greensboro.  I can leave my house and be seated in Guilford's gym in 20 minutes, but when I invite some of my friends and even offer to buy them a ticket and a Coke, they think it's not worth their time.  It is, literally and figuratively, two different ballgames.  DIII sports are, by and large, for the participants.  If a few fans come, great, if not, welcome to the DIII club.  lol

Pridesportbballguy - I have to slightly disagree with your assertion that a bigger city is better than a small town as a tournament host.  If held in Ferrum, it's the only game in town.  If held in Richmond, for example, it's about 15th on the priority list when a resident is considering where to spend their entertainment dollar.       
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 15, 2007, 05:38:59 PM
I don't know any correlation between Guilford and making Sportscenter's top 10 plays and Guilford getting better because of it  ;D :D ;) (Its a joke.  I am not saying that is what happened but they have gotten better since then. Coach over there is really doing a good job recruiting.) I know if I saw it on Sportscenter, I'd be looking up the school and seeing what they are all about. 
My whole arguement is USASouth needs some exposure.  Playing at CNU every year increases the exposure in VA.  It needs to be in front of more people and different people every year.  Take Gonzaga for instance all it took was them to beat couple teams and for them to be a "Cinderalla" (I really don't think that word works, because Cinderalla got her prize (prince) at the end.  Those teams don't.  Unless one would argue that Cinderalla got some respect, then maybe I would agree.  Yet those teams aren't ranked the next year.)

I agree with you Mr. Nova it can't rotate every year.  It can't be in the same spot every year either.  Put it on a neutral court. (Give away tickets I don't care.)  Teams need to win a few in the NCAA's.  (Although that hasn't really worked either because NCWC did win a few games, Greensboro won a few in the early 90's)

As a fan of the USASouth the conference needs to do better on the national scene otherwise we will never get any respect. I am not just talking about basketball.  We can do much better.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 15, 2007, 06:03:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2007, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 08, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
cnu85,

you obviously know this roundball guy, so im asking you if i should be concerned. do you know why he would be so obsessed? does he like teenage boys? that he would monitor when i log on and off this site is really creepy. i feel like i have a stalker. how would he even know when i logged on and off if he didnt sit there all day watching my online/offline indicator switch back and forth?


Actually, roundbll is a "she"...don't let her fool you. We met over beer one night, and well as they say...the rest is history.....and believe me....YOU WANT her to stalk you!!!  :P
a blatant lie. i think i dont like this site so much, after all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 15, 2007, 07:21:37 PM
I think having it at a nuetral site is a pipedream.  Would be nice, but there's no way it could happen.  It's economics.

Take for example, someone mentioned Newport News...  say you host it at the Hampton Coliseum, that's like $5,000 a day for facility usage.  So, then say the tourney is 3 days worth of basketball, no way would the schools agree to rent the facility for $15,000.  They would never make the $ back...

Plus you have the women's tourney to include as well...

Am I being too naive here?  Does anyone know what type of costs are associated with hosting for CNU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 15, 2007, 08:14:15 PM
maybe you are a girl. only about 10% of your posts are about basketball. either way, youve brought very little to this forum. why dont you crawl back under that rock from which you emerged?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 08:40:20 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 15, 2007, 08:14:15 PM
maybe you are a girl. only about 10% of your posts are about basketball. either way, youve brought very little to this forum. why dont you crawl back under that rock from which you emerged?
Actually, it's 29.41%.  5 of 17.
I assume you're bowing up is meant for me.. not knowing who pulled your little chain.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 08:49:06 PM
Here's an actual b-ball point to ponder 'Mensa.  I'm genuinely interested in your or any other CNU fans take on this...'85 / 'Nova.
As the CNU acceptance criterion gets tougher each year, and the tuition & board rise yearly as well (need to build the president another multi-million dollar house you know), is the run of the CNU b-ball dominance coming to an end?

(That makes it 6 of 18, 33.33%)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2007, 08:55:38 PM
su97 - you're spot on...not sure that you're correct on the exact cost, but there is no way the conference makes money anywhere except cnu, and even then i'm not sure they're going to make money - don't get me wrong, i'd love mu to host the tournament, but i can't see crowds of more than 500 for any game if the tourney is in the 'ville, same for any other city - face it, the only team that is going to be a big draw is cnu and they aren't going to be much of a draw outside of the h-r

no amount of marketing would get you a full house in a nuetral court, either - i hate to say it, but d3 sports are fringe sports in the minds of most outside of this forum, ESPECIALLY in the south...most people think d3 sports are glorified high school sports - those that do are ignorant, but that's the way they think

i know mu graduates and former players who live in fayetteville or the surrounding area who would rather watch an acc game on tv than go to a monarch game in person...how are you going to convince the joe blow family who has only heard of the usasac schools in passing (if that, even) to leave his/her house and pay for tickets and watch the usasac tournament?...not gonna happen...sad, but true
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2007, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 08:49:06 PMand the tuition & board rise yearly as well

don't go there, 'cause you won't win that argument in this room :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 15, 2007, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: narch on February 15, 2007, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 08:49:06 PMand the tuition & board rise yearly as well

don't go there, 'cause you won't win that argument in this room :)

At $30,000 a pop, I second that motion...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 15, 2007, 09:30:12 PM
Quote from: narch on February 15, 2007, 08:56:43 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 08:49:06 PMand the tuition & board rise yearly as well

don't go there, 'cause you won't win that argument in this room :)
As a state supported school, CNU will have an advantage each year.  That doesn't mean they'll win every year, but the cost of attending will always be lower than a private college.  Even if CNU inevitably raises their price, it's almost a certainty that the private schools will go up in price as well and still be considerably more expensive.  Take a look at DIII football.  There's a reason the WIAC has a Top 4 team almost every year.  It's roughly equivalent to Appalachian State, Youngstown State and JMU changing to DIII!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 15, 2007, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 08:49:06 PM
Here's an actual b-ball point to ponder 'Mensa.  I'm genuinely interested in your or any other CNU fans take on this...'85 / 'Nova.
As the CNU acceptance criterion gets tougher each year, and the tuition & board rise yearly as well (need to build the president another multi-million dollar house you know), is the run of the CNU b-ball dominance coming to an end?

(That makes it 6 of 18, 33.33%)


I will say this, Roundbll does bring up a good point to ponder.  It's ironic in a way, but I think it's fair to say Tribble has used athletics to build CNU's reputation over the past few years.  Bringing in football was the final piece to the equation, elevating CNU on a number of levels with exposure.  Now, as the school seems to be embracing the "Best Public Liberal Arts College in VA" kind of motto you start to see the admissions standards begin to increase.  That has to effect the recruiting advantage CNU has held in bringing in athletes at some point.  Basically biting the hand that feeds you...  but, Tribble has to be commended on the way he's transformed CNU.  I see them gradually entering the mix with Mary Washington in that strong smaller public school realm, which is a nice place to be.  Regardless how you feel about the Captains, you have to appreciate the strides they've made in a number of areas, but they got there, partially, through sports. Now CNU sports could suffer with the academic standards. See the irony? 

On the flip-side, CNU will always maintain the $ advantage and will not lose too much ground in the conference, I think what it will do is hamper them to a degree with competing on the national level.  Just look at who from the 757 won the national championship last year in basketball...  Five years ago if you asked me if a team from the 757 would win a championship I would have immediately responded with CNU, not VWC.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 15, 2007, 10:36:42 PM
Plus, and I realize this is a bball board and all, you have to wonder how CNU will fare as ODU will enter the mix with starting football as a D-I AA school.  In the first couple of years I would think there might be a little overlap with some local kids.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2007, 11:44:29 PM
I don't think that CNU will drop off that much.  I think that there is so much talent in that area that is leaving the area, that it will now stay home.

The key to D3 football is getting those hard working student athletes who want to play, and physically do not have the raw talent that is needed at D1, to continue playing D3.   The challenge in that part of the country is to convince those good student-athletes that it is rewarding to continue to play in D3.

I honestly believe that that is why the OAC, the CCIW, the MIAC and the WIAC are so good.  Those conferences have decades old traditions of playing D3 ball.  The USAC and the ASC for that matter have only been doing this for less than a decade.

This is just a paradigm shift.  It is nothing new.  CNU isn't getting any D1's that would have made a difference.  You may get some D1-signees who come back to CNU when they realize that they were never going to play in D1. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2007, 08:33:20 AM
Karma to SU97 and Ralph. Very good insightful posts that was based on the situation, without the dreaded, "I hate CNU" emotion.

And I know I only have 1 example...but the one example of a student athlete going to CNU that I am 100% correct on - his dad told me he was also recruited at Hampden Sydney and Randolph Macon and that they offered "aid" that brought the private school tuition down to "nearly" the CNU level.

Roundbll - Tribles house(s) on the Gold Coast are not paid for by the school. Some rich real esate folks got together and formed the CNU Real Estate Foundation. It was through purchasing and selling homes, as well as private donations, that have allowed the situation where the CNU president will soon be in a multi-million home on the James River. In fact, the home they bought a year or two ago and sold a few months ago - they made a few hundred thousand dollars for doing nothing but holding onto it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2007, 10:07:44 AM
i hate cnu :)

strong academics haven't hurt most d3 programs, and i don't know why they should hurt cnu...in fact, as i look at the programs that continually compete in d3, they're typically outstanding academic institutions
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2007, 10:31:14 AM
Oh heck ya!! Just this week Methodist had a Wheel of Fortune Champion!!

Did you see that Narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 16, 2007, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: narch on February 16, 2007, 10:07:44 AM
i hate cnu :)

strong academics haven't hurt most d3 programs, and i don't know why they should hurt cnu...in fact, as i look at the programs that continually compete in d3, they're typically outstanding academic institutions

Let's face it, you don't choose a DIII school because you think you'll make a living playing professional sports.  You choose a DIII school because a) your athletic ability wasn't quite good enough for an offer from a higher classification or, hopefully, b) you know the education you're going to get will be what pays the bills for the next 40 years!

Athletes who graduate from Amherst or Williams or Emory or Chicago AND played a varsity sport have powerful credentials when they apply to graduate school or enter the work force.  Those old school ties run deep.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2007, 10:50:05 AM
And most people in the stands at D3 games don't go because they want to watch top athletes in action. They go to see competitive games, with a local flavor, usually in their hometown and often have ties to the institution such as a kid playing (though in CNU's case...not always. Many folks from my church go because CNU is in the neighborhood and it's a fun night out). I have a CNU tie, but I probably wouldn't go as often if it wasn't a 2 minute drive from my house. I also have W&M ties and never go to their hoops or football games.


Also, I believe in the current vision and mission at CNU. I agree with SU97 in his comments concerning where/how Trible is taking CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 16, 2007, 11:06:16 AM
CNU85, I can't speak specifically to CNU's mission, but I do agree with your thoughts on why people attend (or don't attend) DIII games.  I wish the stands were always packed, but I'm a realist.  All I can do is attend and enjoy.  If somewhere along the line I influence someone else to change their mindset, it's a bonus.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 16, 2007, 11:13:10 AM
Outstanding dialogue.
Thanks for straightening me out on the Tribble house issue CNU85.
I met a kid who plays for CNU.  Word is he was recruited by 2 or 3 of the private institutes you mention, and was offered something in the neighborhood of $12K in the form of an academic scholarship.  That still left CNU about $6K cheaper at the end of the day.  I guess they also decided on CNU due to location, academics, development of the past few years, and the reputation the b-ball program had built.  From what I gathered....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 16, 2007, 05:43:30 PM
I HATE CNU...   ;D

Sorry, couldn't resist. 

I hope GC and MU brought their winter coats this weekend...  Wind chill is at 5 degrees and we are under 7 inches of ice and snow in Winchester.  Welcome to VA fellas! 

Hoping to make tonight's game, but not sure about the MU game.  Hopefully we can DOUBLE our conference win total from last year with one win this weekend.

Good luck to everybody this weekend.  Can't wait to see how things sort out.  I will have a formula ready monday morning...  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 16, 2007, 09:35:30 PM
cnu 93
mu 91

cnu pulls out another last second win. they just cant seem to win otherwise. i thought that we were going to lose for sure. how is it that teams seem to be able to make so many late game treys against us? i thought monarch #23 was going to make one at the buzzer to win. too much defensive indifference on the part of the captains. at the end of the 1st half the monarchs get an offensive rebound and a stick back to cut the cnu lead to single digits, and then start the 2nd half with 3 consecutive layups to make it a close game.

i dont think we are going to get the conf tourney bye. au is playing too well to lose to ncw. the good thing about au beating ncw tomorrow is that cnu would at least get a home game in the 1st round. if we are able to beat gc tomorrow we should get shen in the 1st round. but no matter who we play, you can count on every game being a close one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 16, 2007, 10:42:00 PM
SU loses by 10.  The only thing colder than the hornets shooting was the wind chill outside tonight..  (38% from the field accompanied by a stellar 10% from 3pt land) I will say this for Greensboro - #30 for GC is all over the place, I've got to think he is one of the best players in the conference.  If it wasn't for LAdams and JLawrence (another double-double) we would have lost by 40 points.     

Great, now it looks like Methodist is coming into stride...  I may not even go to watch tomorrow... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2007, 11:27:20 AM
eh...i was really hoping the monarchs could pull off the upset last night and ride a little streak into the conference tourney, as well as have a shot at a .500 record for the regular season

looks like the monarch post defenders played with a little "indifference" (thanks notamensa)...lewis and blassingame were a combined 20-26 from the field...lawrence must be chomping at the bit to play today

barton had 15 assists...15...wow

the monarch "bench" played well...wonder why lee, radmanovic and shuford didn't start  ???

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2006-07%20Stats/cnum0216.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 06:34:01 PM
disgusting. the captains will play 1 more game this year, bet the house on it. especially if korey lewis is done for the year. bright is one of the best players ive seen this year in the freeman. cnu couldnt stop him, but then, they havent stopped many players this year. does gc have a couple of their football players on their basketball team? there were a couple of guys on the bench that looked like offensive tackles. i bet that for every cnu dunk we saw this year we saw 5 by opposing teams. i saw lewis make a couple this year, barton make 1, but thats it. like i said earlier this year, i saw a lot more when i was in high school.

i am appalled with the captains and the season that they had this year. how does a team with 4 returning all-conf players put together a season like this one? the 1 player that i am most relieved to be returning next year is not one of those 4 "superstars", but the guy that was 1st off the bench this year, theo baker. he showed a lot more guts and heart than did his teammates. i dont know what the heck happened to our hotshot all-world point guard this year.

has anyone figured out the bracket yet? who will be the last team to beat the captains in the freeman this year? what a dubious distinction that will be! im sure that all you guys that hate cnu are really happy right now, and you should be.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 06:39:50 PM
since i have to pay for my conference tourney ticket, ive probably just seen my last game this year. about the only thing that would convince me to pay for that game would be for the coach to promise to bench every starter on the team and play the guys that didnt get a chance this year. yeah, right, like thats going to happen. and speaking of our illustrious coach, does anyone here think that maybe he has lost a little bit of his edge? i know that he is closing in on 500 wins, but could it be that he has lost touch with the players today? you guys have been talking about the increased academic requirements, could it be that he was good at getting the marginal student in the past that was really, really good at basketball, but that hes not very good at getting the really, really good basketball players who also satisfy more difficult admission standards? just a thought.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 06:47:54 PM
hey, psbbg.  the os bullpen is going to be much improved this year. a few less late inning heartbreaks this year, maybe?

to he** with cnu hoops, im ready for opening day!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 07:46:43 PM
heres the way i see it. as the #3, cnu gets the #6. fc and ncw tie for #5, and since fc beat the bishops twice, they get the #5 slot. that means that cnu gets ncw? please tell me im wrong! we couldnt beat them the first 2 times we played them this year, im skeptical that we can do so in the tourney without korey lewis. what a great season this turned out to be.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2007, 08:05:48 PM
mensa...your posts are too funny...you're gonna die of a heart attack by 30 at this pace

here is the bracket (http://www.usasouth.net/news/07mbasketballseed.htm) - with an ot win today, the monarchs get the #4 seed and ferrum in the first round...the winner advances to play averett - i think au is playing great ball right now and is probably the clear favorite in my book

psbbg - run the numbers through your formula, and see if they look like my rankings (http://www.usasouth.net/news/07mbasketballseed.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2007, 08:05:48 PM
mensa...your posts are too funny...you're gonna die of a heart attack by 30 at this pace

laid back i am not. i do tend to take things a little bit seriously... even things as ultimately unimportant as athletics. my fascination with basketball is the biggest mystery of all. as i endeavored to pull off a single-breath 50m free in complete obscurity among my classmates, my taller brethren achieved heroic status because they had the god given ability to dunk a basketball. but, you know, i still wanted to be them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 08:53:08 PM
hey narch, id rather play fc than ncw. i think your guys got a good draw there. the bishops are scary good. your team only split with them, but took both against fc, so you have to be feeling good about how things worked out given the monarchs #4 finish. how did fc win more games than ncw?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 17, 2007, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 06:39:50 PM
since i have to pay for my conference tourney ticket, ive probably just seen my last game this year. about the only thing that would convince me to pay for that game would be for the coach to promise to bench every starter on the team and play the guys that didnt get a chance this year. yeah, right, like thats going to happen. and speaking of our illustrious coach, does anyone here think that maybe he has lost a little bit of his edge? i know that he is closing in on 500 wins, but could it be that he has lost touch with the players today? you guys have been talking about the increased academic requirements, could it be that he was good at getting the marginal student in the past that was really, really good at basketball, but that hes not very good at getting the really, really good basketball players who also satisfy more difficult admission standards? just a thought.


Spoken like a true fair weather fan.  A true athletic supporter without an athletic bone of his own.  So if you're so done, maybe you'll do us a favor and log off after reading this for your last time...
You probably couldn't hold up the worst CNU payer jockstrap.  And before you say you don't, you know you want to.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 17, 2007, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 06:34:01 PM
disgusting. the captains will play 1 more game this year, bet the house on it. especially if korey lewis is done for the year. bright is one of the best players ive seen this year in the freeman. cnu couldnt stop him, but then, they havent stopped many players this year. does gc have a couple of their football players on their basketball team? there were a couple of guys on the bench that looked like offensive tackles. i bet that for every cnu dunk we saw this year we saw 5 by opposing teams. i saw lewis make a couple this year, barton make 1, but thats it. like i said earlier this year, i saw a lot more when i was in high school.

i am appalled with the captains and the season that they had this year. how does a team with 4 returning all-conf players put together a season like this one? the 1 player that i am most relieved to be returning next year is not one of those 4 "superstars", but the guy that was 1st off the bench this year, theo baker. he showed a lot more guts and heart than did his teammates. i dont know what the heck happened to our hotshot all-world point guard this year.

has anyone figured out the bracket yet? who will be the last team to beat the captains in the freeman this year? what a dubious distinction that will be! im sure that all you guys that hate cnu are really happy right now, and you should be.

I can just picture you jumping up and down stomping your little feet with your liberal arts curriculum falling more and more from your skinny little arms each time your frail, feminine little body hits the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 02:05:59 AM
Long night saw the boys in green play tonight and they looked real good.  Co-champions.  I understand the tiebreakers but you give a conference team (SU) their only win in conference play.  You shouldn't be the number one seed.  No level of marketing will ever get USASouth to sell out games.  I really disagree.  Marketing gets people all the time to buy crazy stuff off the tv. :D  Anyway as it turns out USASouth is making a big step live "video" webcasts for the conference tournament.  I believe Gullett said on the USASouth website.  Where ever it is USASouth is doing it (I heard it from a CNU guy).  Maybe I am crazy but why does any team or any fan want to travel up to CNU for a conference tournament when it can be further south (Where most teams are.) It should never be a home game for anybody/any team for a conference tournament, where the winner gets an automatic bid.  A NEUTRAL site please USASouth here me.  I have more to say but will wait until tomorrow.  I am tired.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 08:48:56 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 17, 2007, 11:47:58 PM
[I can just picture you jumping up and down stomping your little feet with your liberal arts curriculum falling more and more from your skinny little arms each time your frail, feminine little body hits the floor.
i think that you are picturing me a little too obsessively. why are you so fixated on me? i think youre sick, dude.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 17, 2007, 11:44:31 PM
So if you're so done, maybe you'll do us a favor and log off after reading this for your last time...

i will make a deal with you. if more posters on this board want me to go away than do you, i will. but if they want your repulsive and obsessed postings to end, you do the same. agreed? i, for one, know where to go for song lyrics that have escaped me. i know what this forum is for and use it for its purpose. im sure you can find a website elsewhere to exercise your dementia.

so, how about it, usasac BASKETBALL posters? who do you want to go away, roundbll or notamensa?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 18, 2007, 10:04:19 AM
Congratulations to AU and GC for being co-champs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 10:56:31 AM
So I went to a UNCG game (well the tickets were free) I sat there and said "what a waste of talent"  I saw 6 guys that didn't even take of thier warm-ups. For me its sad to see, they come their on scholarships and they will never see any action on the court.  (Narch I know you will disagree, but I wish every school d3 school took in transfers.  It was beyond me to to why anyone would waste time sitting on a bench.)  For me at least I don't care if I got a free ride to if I was player, I would want to play.)

Ok I cooked up another theroy.   Its about why the midwest/great lakes/west are so good at the d3 level.   9 times out of the last 20 years the d-1 National champs came out of the south/ACC (Maryland is thrown in there) at the d3 level once out of the last 20 years a team from the south won it.  Now here is my theory because the south has been so consistent at the the d1 level nobody wants to come play at the d3 level.  This is where my previous story comes in to play teams in the south have to continue to bring in greater and greater talent that way they can compete in the south.  Its not a problem in the west because they aren't winning it at the d1 level.  Taleted players that could go d1 stay and go d3 because they aren't competing for a national championship every year at the d1 level.

nota-
you can stay.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 11:35:58 AM
thanks, psbbg.

that makes it -

notamensa 1 (to stay)
roundbll 0

come on, hasanova. i was already counting your vote. i will need it to offset cnu85, who will surely vote in favor of his drinking buddy (and who knows what other kind of buddy).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 11:46:36 AM
ive been trying all morning to log into the usasac website to look at the final conference season individual stats, with no luck. maybe theyre updating right now? im sure that all-conf talk is about to start on this board. does anyone think that cnu will put all 4 (or more) of their returning stars on one of the all-conf teams this year? im beginning to wonder if blasingame is even going to make honorable mention this year. he might be seen as a one-trick pony. he isnt cnus top rebounder, and his scoring has been very inconsistent (at best), notwithstanding his 25 point effort on friday night. the only upgrade i see coming among the cnu players is korey lewis, who should easily make 1st team this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 12:10:23 PM
I have been trying to get on the website too.  Without any luck.  The site might be down.  I know the conference isn't working on updating stats on the weekend.  That would be absurd and very unexpected.  As soon as it comes up I will look at the stats and put my all-conference team up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 18, 2007, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 17, 2007, 11:44:31 PM
So if you're so done, maybe you'll do us a favor and log off after reading this for your last time...

i will make a deal with you. if more posters on this board want me to go away than do you, i will. but if they want your repulsive and obsessed postings to end, you do the same. agreed? i, for one, know where to go for song lyrics that have escaped me. i know what this forum is for and use it for its purpose. im sure you can find a website elsewhere to exercise your dementia.

so, how about it, usasac BASKETBALL posters? who do you want to go away, roundbll or notamensa?

how about PrideSportsBBGuy goes away and we call it a tie.  Seriously, you two bickering (while stupid) makes me laugh, but PSBBGY's ramblings filled with complete non-sense (and that god-awful stupid formula) makes me want to beat myself with my keyboard.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
i wish all the posters except myself and su97 would go away...that way we could talk about how much we hate cnu without fear of retribution :) - putting up this facade for the last few years really kills me
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2007, 01:10:46 PM
Tell us how you feel narch, we dont mind!!

Preliminary 1st team all-conf

Bright - GC (POY)
Lewis - CNU
Hall - NCWC
Lawrence - SU

My fifth spot is a tie for now between Brown (AU), Barton (CNU), Jones (FC).

Ill firm my predictions up once the USA South's site is back up and running.

No. 6 NCW vs. No. 3 CNU, 7:30
No. 7 SU vs. No. 2 GC, 7:30
No. 5 FC vs. No. 4 MU, 7 or 7:30

Semis I believe are at 4 and 8 on Friday with the women's at 2 and 6. Im sure if CNU wins they will get the 8 pm slot with the other at 4. Should be interesting to see how the quarters and All-Conf. teams pan out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
we could talk about how much we hate cnu without fear of retribution :) - putting up this facade for the last few years really kills me
facade? i dont think that this was the first time that you stated difinitively that you hate cnu. but thats ok, youre allowed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 01:16:28 PM
without looking at the final stats, i think it will be –

1st team
hall, poty (ncw) 1st team last year
lewis (cnu) honorable mention last year
fawehinmi (su) honorable mention last year
lawrence (su) 1st team last year
bright (gc)

2nd team
godsey (fc)
selden (cnu) honorable mention last year
jones (fc)
barton (cnu) 2nd team last year
brown (au)

hon mention
drake (ncw)
coleman (ncw)
lee (mc)
nicholson (gc)
shuford (mc)

left out
radmanevich (mc)
adams (su)
hagwood (au)
blasingame (cnu) honorable mention last year
mcdaniel (au) 2nd team last year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2007, 01:10:46 PM
Preliminary 1st team all-conf

Bright - GC (POY)
based on what we saw yesterday i would agree, but im not sure if that one game is going to increase his avg stats enough to overtake hall, who i think is a lock for poty.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 02:38:28 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 18, 2007, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 17, 2007, 11:44:31 PM
So if you're so done, maybe you'll do us a favor and log off after reading this for your last time...

i will make a deal with you. if more posters on this board want me to go away than do you, i will. but if they want your repulsive and obsessed postings to end, you do the same. agreed? i, for one, know where to go for song lyrics that have escaped me. i know what this forum is for and use it for its purpose. im sure you can find a website elsewhere to exercise your dementia.

so, how about it, usasac BASKETBALL posters? who do you want to go away, roundbll or notamensa?

how about PrideSportsBBGuy goes away and we call it a tie.  Seriously, you two bickering (while stupid) makes me laugh, but PSBBGY's ramblings filled with complete non-sense (and that god-awful stupid formula) makes me want to beat myself with my keyboard.

How about you do hit yourself with the keyboard.  Then start making a more active stance on this board, instead of coming on here just because you don't like what I say.  You seem to complain the most about the formula.  Narch still says the formula is flawed. Yet he continues to actually post other stuff.  My other ramblings don't seem to have that hit yourself in the face keyboard affect. Only you. I would expect with most of my comments to drive people to drink, but thats about it.  Leroy I say you leave.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2007, 12:50:05 PM
i wish all the posters except myself and su97 would go away...that way we could talk about how much we hate cnu without fear of retribution :) - putting up this facade for the last few years really kills me

Try keeping a positive outook with 2 conference wins in two years...  naturally, that still has no effect on my ability to hate the dreaded newports.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 10:56:31 AM
So I went to a UNCG game (well the tickets were free) I sat there and said "what a waste of talent"  I saw 6 guys that didn't even take of thier warm-ups. For me its sad to see, they come their on scholarships and they will never see any action on the court.  (Narch I know you will disagree, but I wish every school d3 school took in transfers.  It was beyond me to to why anyone would waste time sitting on a bench.)  For me at least I don't care if I got a free ride to if I was player, I would want to play.)

Ok I cooked up another theroy.   Its about why the midwest/great lakes/west are so good at the d3 level.   9 times out of the last 20 years the d-1 National champs came out of the south/ACC (Maryland is thrown in there) at the d3 level once out of the last 20 years a team from the south won it.  Now here is my theory because the south has been so consistent at the the d1 level nobody wants to come play at the d3 level.  This is where my previous story comes in to play teams in the south have to continue to bring in greater and greater talent that way they can compete in the south.  Its not a problem in the west because they aren't winning it at the d1 level.  Taleted players that could go d1 stay and go d3 because they aren't competing for a national championship every year at the d1 level.

nota-
you can stay.

Sorry, I'm not following the logic.  You referenced the midwest - so let's take a look at the state of Wisconsin as an example.  You have two D-1 schools in the state (Madison and Milwaulkee - not sure if there is another) and the rest are all D-III.  You have ZERO D-II schools to muddle the middle.  Then you have the WIAC schools, which are for the most part state-supported UW system schools who's enrollments are in the 8,000-5,000 range. So basically the entire WIAC is made up of what would be either D-II schools in the mid-atlantic or D-III CNU type schools - think a "super conference" made up of Salisbury, MaryWash, CNU, Rowan, etc...  Now look at the great commonwealth of VA, we have like 10 D-I colleges and universities in our state alone, not just two.  So in a way you could argue that the talent is spread out much more because of it.  Or, you could argue that it would be equitable between VA and Wisconsin schools  if the CAA went D-III - so JMU, VCU, ODU, Bill&Mary,and GMU all would drop down (while the VA ACC schools stayed D-I)... I know that's stupid, but it in a way it would be apples to apples. 

Where I am going with this is that PSBBG is looking at this landscape from the wrong angle and his assumption of  [i]"Now here is my theory because the south has been so consistent at the the d1 level nobody wants to come play at the d3 level.  This is where my previous story comes in to play teams in the south have to continue to bring in greater and greater talent that way they can compete in the south.  Its not a problem in the west because they aren't winning it at the d1 level.  Taleted players that could go d1 stay and go d3 because they aren't competing for a national championship every year at the d1 level."[/i] just doesn't make much sense.  To me it's about what type of competion you have for recruiting in-state and what type of advantages that state-supported schools have built-in. 

I am rambling.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
I will be honest its tough for me to actually choose a team.  I think about 10 people could make first team.

1st Team
Lenny Hall (poty) NCWC
Davon Barton CNU
Adam Nicholson GC
Lynn Bright GC
Jermiah Lawerence SU

2nd Team
Donte Seldon CNU
Trey Drake NCWC (ROTY)
John Godsey FC
Mouktar Fawehinmi SU
Cedric Jones FC

Hon Mention
Lenzie Adams SU
Cory McDaniel AU
Theo Baker CNU
Dragon Radmonvich MU
Damien Brown AU

Coach of the Year Brian Galuski GC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:20:18 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 01:16:28 PM
without looking at the final stats, i think it will be –

1st team
hall, poty (ncw) 1st team last year
lewis (cnu) honorable mention last year
fawehinmi (su) honorable mention last year
lawrence (su) 1st team last year
bright (gc)


I'm a HUGE hornets fan, but how does the last place team, with a 1-11 conference record, score two guys on the first team?  How does first place AU not even have a guy with a first team nod?

JLawrence is the POTY in my mind (slightly biased) because he still turned out production without any help around him and every team keying on him.  BUT, there's no way the POTY should come from the last place team. I have to think it should be somebody from GC or AU.  I can't get into the stats page yet either...

COTY should go to the coach from AU, finally got over the CNU curse this year... congrats.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 10:56:31 AM
So I went to a UNCG game (well the tickets were free) I sat there and said "what a waste of talent"  I saw 6 guys that didn't even take of thier warm-ups. For me its sad to see, they come their on scholarships and they will never see any action on the court.  (Narch I know you will disagree, but I wish every school d3 school took in transfers.  It was beyond me to to why anyone would waste time sitting on a bench.)  For me at least I don't care if I got a free ride to if I was player, I would want to play.)

Ok I cooked up another theroy.   Its about why the midwest/great lakes/west are so good at the d3 level.   9 times out of the last 20 years the d-1 National champs came out of the south/ACC (Maryland is thrown in there) at the d3 level once out of the last 20 years a team from the south won it.  Now here is my theory because the south has been so consistent at the the d1 level nobody wants to come play at the d3 level.  This is where my previous story comes in to play teams in the south have to continue to bring in greater and greater talent that way they can compete in the south.  Its not a problem in the west because they aren't winning it at the d1 level.  Taleted players that could go d1 stay and go d3 because they aren't competing for a national championship every year at the d1 level.

nota-
you can stay.

Sorry, I'm not following the logic.  You referenced the midwest - so let's take a look at the state of Wisconsin as an example.  You have two D-1 schools in the state (Madison and Milwaulkee - not sure if there is another) and the rest are all D-III.  You have ZERO D-II schools to muddle the middle.  Then you have the WIAC schools, which are for the most part state-supported UW system schools who's enrollments are in the 8,000-5,000 range. So basically the entire WIAC is made up of what would be either D-II schools in the mid-atlantic or D-III CNU type schools - think a "super conference" made up of Salisbury, MaryWash, CNU, Rowan, etc...  Now look at the great commonwealth of VA, we have like 10 D-I colleges and universities in our state alone, not just two.  So in a way you could argue that the talent is spread out much more because of it.  Or, you could argue that it would be equitable between VA and Wisconsin schools  if the CAA went D-III - so JMU, VCU, ODU, Bill&Mary,and GMU all would drop down (while the VA ACC schools stayed D-I)... I know that's stupid, but it in a way it would be apples to apples. 

Where I am going with this is that PSBBG is looking at this landscape from the wrong angle and his assumption of  [i]"Now here is my theory because the south has been so consistent at the the d1 level nobody wants to come play at the d3 level.  This is where my previous story comes in to play teams in the south have to continue to bring in greater and greater talent that way they can compete in the south.  Its not a problem in the west because they aren't winning it at the d1 level.  Taleted players that could go d1 stay and go d3 because they aren't competing for a national championship every year at the d1 level."[/i] just doesn't make much sense.  To me it's about what type of competion you have for recruiting in-state and what type of advantages that state-supported schools have built-in. 

I am rambling.


I was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. That doesn't mean that talent has to stay in that state at all. I think we both just rambled and just look at it from a different perspective.  I wonder what the college per population is in every state.  Just a guess it is probably about the same per state.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 10:56:31 AM
So I went to a UNCG game (well the tickets were free) I sat there and said "what a waste of talent"  I saw 6 guys that didn't even take of thier warm-ups. For me its sad to see, they come their on scholarships and they will never see any action on the court.  (Narch I know you will disagree, but I wish every school d3 school took in transfers.  It was beyond me to to why anyone would waste time sitting on a bench.)  For me at least I don't care if I got a free ride to if I was player, I would want to play.)


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this.  I've seen a few transfers at the USASAC schools over the years and have no problem with that.  In the quote above you indicate that you hate to see D-I kids sitting the bench on scholarship.  But then I take it that you are equating those kids to the current influx of transfers at GC.  But on the roster posted on the web the transfers for GC are all JUCOs, which is different from your post copied above. 

Am I reading to far into this?

I think a lot of fans in the conference were surprised last year with GC's conference surge - when the new coaches brought in the D-I kid last year that could shoot the lights out.  (I must say the kid was fun to watch, shooting from all over the court) Now I think some people are kind of skeptical that GC has 4 JUCOs (starters) and make a run for the conference.  I am just kind of skeptical as to what is going on. 

PSBBG: I am curious, do you know if this is a short term effort by the coaching staff to get GC to compete, or is this something the rest of the league needs to just get used to from Greensboro?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy

/quote]

I was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. That doesn't mean that talent has to stay in that state at all. I think we both just rambled and just look at it from a different perspective.  I wonder what the college per population is in every state.  Just a guess it is probably about the same per state.   

True, I was making the assumption that most of our conference schools have a majority of in-state kids.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 06:34:01 PM
disgusting. the captains will play 1 more game this year, bet the house on it. especially if korey lewis is done for the year. bright is one of the best players ive seen this year in the freeman. cnu couldnt stop him, but then, they havent stopped many players this year. does gc have a couple of their football players on their basketball team? there were a couple of guys on the bench that looked like offensive tackles. i bet that for every cnu dunk we saw this year we saw 5 by opposing teams. i saw lewis make a couple this year, barton make 1, but thats it. like i said earlier this year, i saw a lot more when i was in high school.

i am appalled with the captains and the season that they had this year. how does a team with 4 returning all-conf players put together a season like this one? the 1 player that i am most relieved to be returning next year is not one of those 4 "superstars", but the guy that was 1st off the bench this year, theo baker. he showed a lot more guts and heart than did his teammates. i dont know what the heck happened to our hotshot all-world point guard this year.

has anyone figured out the bracket yet? who will be the last team to beat the captains in the freeman this year? what a dubious distinction that will be! im sure that all you guys that hate cnu are really happy right now, and you should be.


O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:20:18 PM
how does the last place team, with a 1-11 conference record, score two guys on the first team?  How does first place AU not even have a guy with a first team nod?
su is a 2-man team, its as simple as that. you cant overlook that these 2 guys scored a LOT of points (even if no one else on the team did). conversely, au was a great TEAM, and sent out guys in waves, all of them scoring about the same. they had 14 guys that started at least 1 game. they had 10 that averaged double figure minutes for the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2007, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 03:24:46 PMI was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. 

i'm not sure that's true...think about schools like uncw, uncc, app state, elon, western carolina, gardner-webb, campbell, ecu, high point...those schools would all qualify as d1 "mid-majors", and that's just the state of nc (there may be some that i missed, as well) - then throw in the glut of high caliber d2 ball being played in nc...the cvac had 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at one point earlier this season (barton, pfieffer, mount olive and queens) and then you have the pbac and ciaa teams to compete with - on top of the actual competition is the perception issue...ask the gc coaches how many times they've heard "if i'm not getting a scholarship to play, i'll just go to [insert state school]" - this happens on a regular basis...there is clearly a thinning of the d3 talent in the southeast, especially in a sport like basketball and especially for a private institution
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 17, 2007, 06:34:01 PM
disgusting. the captains will play 1 more game this year, bet the house on it. especially if korey lewis is done for the year. bright is one of the best players ive seen this year in the freeman. cnu couldnt stop him, but then, they havent stopped many players this year. does gc have a couple of their football players on their basketball team? there were a couple of guys on the bench that looked like offensive tackles. i bet that for every cnu dunk we saw this year we saw 5 by opposing teams. i saw lewis make a couple this year, barton make 1, but thats it. like i said earlier this year, i saw a lot more when i was in high school.

i am appalled with the captains and the season that they had this year. how does a team with 4 returning all-conf players put together a season like this one? the 1 player that i am most relieved to be returning next year is not one of those 4 "superstars", but the guy that was 1st off the bench this year, theo baker. he showed a lot more guts and heart than did his teammates. i dont know what the heck happened to our hotshot all-world point guard this year.

has anyone figured out the bracket yet? who will be the last team to beat the captains in the freeman this year? what a dubious distinction that will be! im sure that all you guys that hate cnu are really happy right now, and you should be.


O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?    ;D
losing romeo shouldnt have been reason for the captains to collapse this year. while he's no romeo, baker proved to be a very capable replacement for him, and in my opinion, he will be better by the time hes a senior. the collapse came about because they lost their will to win. anyone that watched them allow team after team to outhustle them understands that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:57:40 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2007, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 03:24:46 PMI was rambling as well.  I think you are looking at it in a small scale.  Just because there is just two d-1 schools in the state of wisconsin. There are many more mid-major schools in that region too. 

i'm not sure that's true...think about schools like uncw, uncc, app state, elon, western carolina, gardner-webb, campbell, ecu, high point...those schools would all qualify as d1 "mid-majors", and that's just the state of nc (there may be some that i missed, as well) - then throw in the glut of high caliber d2 ball being played in nc...the cvac had 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at one point earlier this season (barton, pfieffer, mount olive and queens) and then you have the pbac and ciaa teams to compete with - on top of the actual competition is the perception issue...ask the gc coaches how many times they've heard "if i'm not getting a scholarship to play, i'll just go to [insert state school]" - this happens on a regular basis...there is clearly a thinning of the d3 talent in the southeast, especially in a sport like basketball and especially for a private institution

BINGO
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2007, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:39:03 PMI think a lot of fans in the conference were surprised last year with GC's conference surge - when the new coaches brought in the D-I kid last year that could shoot the lights out.  (I must say the kid was fun to watch, shooting from all over the court) Now I think some people are kind of skeptical that GC has 4 JUCOs (starters) and make a run for the conference.  I am just kind of skeptical as to what is going on. 
he was a d2 kid, but what shocked me was the fact that he had just 1 semster of eligibility left...who transfers after 3 1/2 years?  i've never seen or heard of that happening on the d1, d2 or d3 level before last year

and i'll add this...an acc scholarship transfer, a uncg transfer who was on his 3rd school (blackstock), the big kid from nola was a transfer (montrell, i believe)...4 juco's this year...the list goes on

look at the gc baseball roster...15 transfers

look at the gc women's basketball roster, the football roster...i think gc has more transfers on their baseball and hoops rosters combined than all of mu's 19 rosters have

Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 03:39:03 PMPSBBG: I am curious, do you know if this is a short term effort by the coaching staff to get GC to compete, or is this something the rest of the league needs to just get used to from Greensboro?
judging on past performance (see above), i'd say this is something we should get used to - i'd also like to ask this question - why would a high school prospect even consider gc given their history of recruiting over them with transfers? - why choose a school that doesn't have the patience to wait for you to develop into a good player and has shown the willingness and propensity to go for the quick fix?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2007, 04:00:59 PM
i'd also like to ask this question - why would a high school prospect even consider gc given their history of recruiting over them with transfers? - why choose a school that doesn't have the patience to wait for you to develop into a good player and has shown the willingness and propensity to go for the quick fix?
great point! it cant be a good long term strategy. but, it just might get the coach a job at a higher level.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 04:09:44 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2007, 04:00:59 PM
i'd also like to ask this question - why would a high school prospect even consider gc given their history of recruiting over them with transfers? - why choose a school that doesn't have the patience to wait for you to develop into a good player and has shown the willingness and propensity to go for the quick fix?
great point! it cant be a good long term strategy. but, it just might get the coach a job at a higher level.

I HATE CNU.   

Sorry, sorry, sorry, I was just too stunned that I agreed with a Newport supporter that I blacked out and my natural typing muscle memory must have kicked in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Showstoppa on February 18, 2007, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
I will be honest its tough for me to actually choose a team.  I think about 10 people could make first team.

1st Team
Lenny Hall (poty) NCWC
Davon Barton CNU
Adam Nicholson GC
Lynn Bright GC
Jermiah Lawerence SU

2nd Team
Donte Seldon CNU
Trey Drake NCWC (ROTY)
John Godsey FC
Mouktar Fawehinmi SU
Cedric Jones FC

Hon Mention
Lenzie Adams SU
Cory McDaniel AU
Theo Baker CNU
Dragon Radmonvich MU
Damien Brown AU

Coach of the Year Brian Galuski GC

If AU doesn't get a player on the first or second team and Greensboro places two first teamers, doesn't Jimmy Allen at Averett deserve Coach of the Year honors?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 04:59:30 PM
Narch and SU-

I told you before and will tell you again.  I can't anwser the whole question about transfers of GC. I am not a coach. I said it on the baseball side how many of them are actually playing? or on the JV team? For the rest of the teams,  How many of them are coming from a CC where they can only play two years?  How many actually played the sport at the thier last school?  How many Freshman are coming back the following year? I am quite aware that many freshman don't return to this school not only athletes but the general student body.  This school relies on transfers.  Since this school has so few people the sports teams comprise a greater proportion of the school.  I know about 20 people from the general student body that applied to this school as a third choice because they didn't get in where they wanted too.  GC is not cheap and know many transfer to schools in the surrounding area.  Since we have such a huge student-athlete body and there are no athletic scholarships, sometimes  freshman can't afford to stay here 4 years.  To say freshman don't get an ample chance of playing here is very naive.  They are given plenty of chances.  

Year after year though GC has the most students on the academic all-conference teams.

So spending a few years in CC to get grades up I think is smart.  No need to spend $23,000 on one year of school only to flunk out that same year.  Greensboro is right around many CC has well.  

I ask you to stop asking me why the school has so many transfers.

GC keeping doing what you are doing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 18, 2007, 05:04:38 PM
Quote from: leroy on February 18, 2007, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 17, 2007, 11:44:31 PM
So if you're so done, maybe you'll do us a favor and log off after reading this for your last time...

i will make a deal with you. if more posters on this board want me to go away than do you, i will. but if they want your repulsive and obsessed postings to end, you do the same. agreed? i, for one, know where to go for song lyrics that have escaped me. i know what this forum is for and use it for its purpose. im sure you can find a website elsewhere to exercise your dementia.

so, how about it, usasac BASKETBALL posters? who do you want to go away, roundbll or notamensa?

how about PrideSportsBBGuy goes away and we call it a tie.  Seriously, you two bickering (while stupid) makes me laugh, but PSBBGY's ramblings filled with complete non-sense (and that god-awful stupid formula) makes me want to beat myself with my keyboard.
You hit it on the head Leroy.  I just do it to stir the pot and get a chuckle...
The ractions are exactly as I expect, and always good for a laugh.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 05:05:15 PM
Quote from: Showstoppa on February 18, 2007, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
I will be honest its tough for me to actually choose a team.  I think about 10 people could make first team.

1st Team
Lenny Hall (poty) NCWC
Davon Barton CNU
Adam Nicholson GC
Lynn Bright GC
Jermiah Lawerence SU

2nd Team
Donte Seldon CNU
Trey Drake NCWC (ROTY)
John Godsey FC
Mouktar Fawehinmi SU
Cedric Jones FC

Hon Mention
Lenzie Adams SU
Cory McDaniel AU
Theo Baker CNU
Dragon Radmonvich MU
Damien Brown AU

Coach of the Year Brian Galuski GC

If AU doesn't get a player on the first or second team and Greensboro places two first teamers, doesn't Jimmy Allen at Averett deserve Coach of the Year honors?

Why does that make a difference?  They finished 9-3 in the conference.  Some expected that.  They lost to SU gave them thier only win.  GC was 12-13 last year.  GC has first winning season in a long time and takes a share of the title.  Based on your reasoning Coach Harris deserves coach of the year. They have quite a few All-conference picks, but they only won one game and beat AU. C'mon man.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 18, 2007, 05:06:07 PM
btw... Congrats Greensboro.
Very tough crew...  must have shot 70% frm the arch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Showstoppa on February 18, 2007, 05:49:07 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 05:05:15 PM
Quote from: Showstoppa on February 18, 2007, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
I will be honest its tough for me to actually choose a team.  I think about 10 people could make first team.

1st Team
Lenny Hall (poty) NCWC
Davon Barton CNU
Adam Nicholson GC
Lynn Bright GC
Jermiah Lawerence SU

2nd Team
Donte Seldon CNU
Trey Drake NCWC (ROTY)
John Godsey FC
Mouktar Fawehinmi SU
Cedric Jones FC

Hon Mention
Lenzie Adams SU
Cory McDaniel AU
Theo Baker CNU
Dragon Radmonvich MU
Damien Brown AU

Coach of the Year Brian Galuski GC

If AU doesn't get a player on the first or second team and Greensboro places two first teamers, doesn't Jimmy Allen at Averett deserve Coach of the Year honors?

Why does that make a difference?  They finished 9-3 in the conference.  Some expected that.  They lost to SU gave them thier only win.  GC was 12-13 last year.  GC has first winning season in a long time and takes a share of the title.  Based on your reasoning Coach Harris deserves coach of the year. They have quite a few All-conference picks, but they only won one game and beat AU. C'mon man.

First off, you make no sense with the Harris argument.  Also, Greensboro should be rewarded for being so bad for so long?  No doubt, Coach Galuski has done a great job.  He is easily a candidate for COY.

My point is Averett won a share of the title with a far less talented team (According to your all-conference picks).  As for Shenandoah beating Averett, it is irrelevant to the coach of the year argument.  Sometimes teams have poor outings...much like Greensboro's game at Ferrum...thanks for losing that one by the way, the top seed is sweet.

Another thing to look at is the fact that Averett experienced a world of injuries this season.  Rumley out seven games, Eubanks out six, McDaniel out five.  Averett dressed their entire team only five times this season.

Lastly, Allen has a win over the number one team in the nation and defending national champions.  How many ranked teams did GC beat?  Averett beat two.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2007, 06:35:39 PM
Remember that SU knocked off AU while AU had all their guys injured.  Not that I want to take anything away from the SU win. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Showstoppa on February 18, 2007, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 06:20:42 PM
What was that game final score when Greensboro beat AU at home. I just forgot about that 76-41 score. (Don't even blame it on a player being hurt.)  That SU loss, I still think should penalize AU it gave SU their only win in conference.  I never even said anything before but we got "homer'ed" by the this one official when we went up to AU.  On back to back years I believe its Roger Norrell.  Always techical fouls called when he is doing a game.   Always the other team getting a techical foul too. Any NCWC fan can tell me.  Lenny Hall of all people got one called 1/27/07 game. I never thought that kid to be a problem.  Seen him play a couple times and looks to have a good head on his shoulders.

Oh Greensboro beat two rank teams, or teams that were ranked at one point in the season AU and CNU.  They also beat John Carroll a team considered for the polls and who won the OAC.  A very strong conference.

Just a few thoughts for you to ponder tomorrow when your mom changes your diaper.

First off, I am sure Narch will be in touch with some grammaticals in the above post.  Second, 76-41 was the margin last year Einstein. (Way to be on top of things).  It was 79-55 this year with no Jonathan Rumley, who is a difference maker for AU.

I realize recruiting is a part of coaching and Galuski should be considered.  However, Averett lost four starters from last season, didn't match-up well with anyone in the conference, and still managed to take home the top seed.  I am just saying that Allen did more with what he had to work with than anyone else in the conference did.

Uh oh, gotta go.  I think I need a change. MOMMMIIIEEE!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 18, 2007, 07:38:33 PM
in case you didn't realize it I said I forgot the score and were trying to get you look at the scores from both years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 18, 2007, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 11:35:58 AM
thanks, psbbg.

that makes it -

notamensa 1 (to stay)
roundbll 0

come on, hasanova. i was already counting your vote. i will need it to offset cnu85, who will surely vote in favor of his drinking buddy (and who knows what other kind of buddy).
Sorry, notamensa.   I wasn't feeling well today, so I'm out of the loop a bit.  Of course, you get my endorsement. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 09:09:24 PM
thanks, hasanova. unfortunately, mr roundbll hasnt accepted my challenge to let the posters here decide who should log off for the last time, so it looks like were all stuck with him. instead, he tries to bully me off the board. i never picked this fight, and why he is so infatuated with a teenager is a real mystery. as the object of his affection, i think its really, really creepy, but im not going to be bullied by anyone.

but, for anyone interested in this tawdry, juvenile account, it is –

notamensa – 2 votes (to stay)
roundbll – 0 votes


feel better, hasanova. get well soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2007, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 18, 2007, 09:09:24 PMbut, for anyone interested in this tawdry, juvenile account, it is –

notamensa – 2 votes (to stay)
roundbll – 0 votes
it is juvenile....




i'm voting for roundbll, 'cause i love an underdog
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
using showstoppa's rationale for coty and psbbg's all-conference list, it's clear that coach smith at mu is the coty...4th place in the conference with just 1 hon mention all-conf player while every other team had at least 2 players on the psbbg all-conference team...that's gotta get you some votes, right?[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2007, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: Showstoppa on February 18, 2007, 06:57:05 PMFirst off, I am sure Narch will be in touch with some grammaticals in the above post. 

i've given up...for now

is grammaticals a word, or did you make that up...gotta go to dictionary.com and...oh, that's right, i've given that up :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 19, 2007, 12:21:27 AM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2007, 10:58:10 PM
it is juvenile....

i'm voting for roundbll, 'cause i love an underdog
like i said, i didnt start this. and frankly, im quite surprised by your vote. maybe you prefer golden oldie song lyrics to basketball discussion. oh, wait, i get it. im a cnu fan, and from what weve been able to tell, roundbll might not be.

notamensa – 2 votes (to stay)
roundbll – 1 vote
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 08:20:31 AM
Quote from: notamensa on February 19, 2007, 12:21:27 AMlike i said, i didnt start this. and frankly, im quite surprised by your vote. maybe you prefer golden oldie song lyrics to basketball discussion.
i told you exactly why i voted for roundbll...no need to try to analyze it (although i am an aerosmith fan, and the ability to work walk this way into a basketball conversation is an art that needs to be recognized in some way)

in all seriousness...why do you care? you call it "tawdry" and "juvenile", yet you're clearly keeping score - rise above it or embrace it for what it is, and it will probably go away...your continued reaction simply fuels the fire
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 09:08:01 AM
Ok here we go.

Narch is right on how juvenile keeping score is

YES 2
NO 0

Score is 2 yes's to 0 no's. (Votes ar Narch and PSBBG)

Sorry I couldn't resist.  It's a joke and I am done.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: notamensa on February 19, 2007, 09:21:26 AM
go to one of roundblls posts and click on his name. scroll to the bottom of the page and click on "show the last posts of this person." then read the vile stream of "art" that he has directed at me without provocation. you are as disgusting as he is if you welcome the contribution he has made to this forum. i actually thought that you were the class of the usasac posters here, and said so defending you earlier this season. i guess i was wrong. if you would rather have roundbll than me, then fine, thats what you get. i have better things to do.

my last act here will be to smite narch and to applaud hasanova to triple-figures karma.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 09:35:18 AM
Quote from: notamensa on February 19, 2007, 09:21:26 AM
go to one of roundblls posts and click on his name. scroll to the bottom of the page and click on “show the last posts of this person.” then read the vile stream of “art” that he has directed at me without provocation. you are as disgusting as he is if you welcome the contribution he has made to this forum. i actually thought that you were the class of the usasac posters here, and said so defending you earlier this season. i guess i was wrong. if you would rather have roundbll than me, then fine, thats what you get. i have better things to do.

my last act here will be to smite narch and to applaud hasanova to triple-figures karma.

Nota-
Tough it out.  I have.  Narch has come after me so many times, so don't worry about it.  I am often attacked by people on this board.  I shrug my shoulders and keep on rolling. My opinions differ from many poster's.  (I will have my power rankings out today.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 10:23:39 AM
Final Rankings of Regular Season.  The only true difference is the middle of the conference FC and MU are flipped flopped.  GC and AU are at the top but not in the order based on seeds.  Last year's final season will be posted with this one for something to comapare too.

Final Regular Season Power Rankings

Greensboro   8.691822
Averett   7.719468
CNU   4.941604
Ferrum   2.293334
Methodist   2.045350
NC Wesleyan   1.375615
Shenadoah   -2.554263


Last Year's Regular Season Power Rankings
CNU   9.82972683
Averett   8.915280922
Greensboro   4.198606729
Methodist   2.158875147
NC Wesleyan   0.206756786
Shenadoah   -0.590895449
Ferrum   -1.665859742


As you can see and most seem to agree the conference did improve as a whole. Showing that the top two teams aren't nearly has dominate has last year's top two teams.  Last year bottom two were swtiched (Again FC was in the middle of the mix-up...hmmm)

Narch-
I know you don't like the rankings and you will say its flawed.  I think FC and MU game will probably be the best game between the games Tuesday.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2007, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: notamensa on February 19, 2007, 09:21:26 AM
go to one of roundblls posts and click on his name. scroll to the bottom of the page and click on "show the last posts of this person." then read the vile stream of "art" that he has directed at me without provocation. you are as disgusting as he is if you welcome the contribution he has made to this forum. i actually thought that you were the class of the usasac posters here, and said so defending you earlier this season. i guess i was wrong. if you would rather have roundbll than me, then fine, thats what you get. i have better things to do.

my last act here will be to smite narch and to applaud hasanova to triple-figures karma.
Hey, notamensa, thanks for the karma, but I think you're slightly off the mark here.  Narch IS one of the best, if not the best, posters on the USASAC, ODAC and other boards.  When he talks about MU, USASAC or DIII sports, people listen.  I know I do.  I got a chance to meet him in Fayetteville in late December and he's a good guy.  Look, here's the deal, both you and roundbll need to keep your posts on a higher level.  We don't care if both of you stick around, but sometimes your fellow posters just get weary of listening to unproductive posts.  There are some things you can't ignore, but most things you can.  :)  Sometimes, if a poster knows they can get under your skin, they keep coming with the same line over and over.  If they realize it has no effect, they stop.  Simple.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 11:31:38 AM
Well, I made it to both games this weekend. Not really sure what to say. Greensboro is the best team I've seen this year. They were shooting the lights out!!! I think at one point in the second half they were 75% from three........6-8, if I remember right. With about 10 minutes left in the first half, I was trying to remember if I saw them miss a shot! They were scary good! The bad part about everything is, IF CNU can win Tuesday night (against a team they haven't figured out how to beat yetthis year) then our reward will be a rematch with GC on Friday.

I hope Korey is ready to play Tuesday. Or it's gonna be a LONG night (and a long off season).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2007, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 11:31:38 AM
Well, I made it to both games this weekend. Not really sure what to say. Greensboro is the best team I've seen this year. They were shooting the lights out!!! I think at one point in the second half they were 75% from three........6-8, if I remember right. With about 10 minutes left in the first half, I was trying to remember if I saw them miss a shot! They were scary good! The bad part about everything is, IF CNU can win Tuesday night (against a team they haven't figured out how to beat yetthis year) then our reward will be a rematch with GC on Friday.

I hope Korey is ready to play Tuesday. Or it's gonna be a LONG night (and a long off season).
Greensboro is good.  I've seen them twice this season - against Guilford and Ferrum.  Guilford held off the Pride in OT, but Greensboro pretty much mopped up against the Panthers.  GCP has some skill players at a couple of positions, so pick your poison!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 12:03:24 PM
Good luck to all this week.

It's going to be an exciting one, and if Greensboro continues to play the way they did Saturday, I don't see anyone in THIS conference stopping them.
Very strong, and deep as well.  So long as they can keep up with AU's fresh legs...
And I'm certain there are handicappers wo would be carefull not to count NCWC out either.
Having said that, you never do know which CNU team is going to show up for which games, so....
Like I said, should be fun to watch, and I have 3rd row center for all of it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 11:31:38 AM
Well, I made it to both games this weekend. Not really sure what to say. Greensboro is the best team I've seen this year. They were shooting the lights out!!! I think at one point in the second half they were 75% from three........6-8, if I remember right. With about 10 minutes left in the first half, I was trying to remember if I saw them miss a shot! They were scary good! The bad part about everything is, IF CNU can win Tuesday night (against a team they haven't figured out how to beat yetthis year) then our reward will be a rematch with GC on Friday.

I hope Korey is ready to play Tuesday. Or it's gonna be a LONG night (and a long off season).
CNU85,
Korey was a hip injury.  Sounds like it may have been a bad bruise or something.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 12:52:27 PM
Karma for CNU85 and roundball...its great to hear CNU fans talk highly of Greensboro (finally)  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 12:03:24 PMAnd I'm certain there are handicappers wo would be carefull not to count NCWC out either.
why ncwc and not the monarchs?

the general sentiment in here today seems to be that gc is the team to beat, meaning the monarchs theoretically have an easier draw (i don't agree with either of these statements, but i'm playing along) - so mu has an easier draw than ncwc - mu was a better team than ncwc this year as evidenced by a better conference record, better overall record and head-to-head results

if ncwc has a tougher draw and is not as good as mu, why would anyone count the monarchs out, but not the bishops?  it's clearly not their championship pedigree...there isn't a player on the ncwc team who has won a usasac championship...the monarchs have 3 sr's who have 2 rings and 2 juniors that have one - i don't think it's coaching...john thompson's teams have always been among the most talented and athletic in the league, yet he has exactly 1 regular season co-championship and 1 tournament championship - please explain why the 6th seeded bishops would be a bigger threat to win the tournament than the 4th seeded monarchs?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 01:20:43 PM
Just calling it like we see it.
And you would have to be blind not to... see it, that is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 01:20:43 PM
Just calling it like we see it.
And you would have to be blind not to... see it, that is.
please, enlighten me then, because i don't see it...and i have 20/20 vision (well, technically it's only 20/20 when i'm wearing my contacts, but i wear them any time i'm not sleeping)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 01:29:02 PM
Quote from: notamensa on February 19, 2007, 09:21:26 AMmy last act here will be to smite narch and to applaud hasanova to triple-figures karma.
it's really too bad you chose to leave this forum over something this petty - i've reviewed all of roundbll's posts, and he/she/it even admitted that the ribbing you were getting was because he/she/it liked to see your reactions...and i couldn't care less about my karma - i hope you'll reconsider, but if you don't, the forum will certainly go on without you
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 10:23:39 AM
Final Regular Season Power Rankings

Greensboro   8.691822
Averett   7.719468
CNU   4.941604
Ferrum   2.293334
Methodist   2.045350
NC Wesleyan   1.375615
Shenadoah   -2.554263

Narch-
I know you don't like the rankings and you will say its flawed.  I think FC and MU game will probably be the best game between the games Tuesday.
of course i'm going to have a problem with any system that is flawed

averett played a much more difficult schedule than gc and finished with the same conference record and virtually the same overall record (1 less win), yet gc is on top?

methodist played a much more difficult schedule than fc and finished with a better conference record and virtually the same overall record (1 less loss) and swept the season series with fc, yet fc is ranked ahead of mu?

if you're not looking at your formula with gc bias, how can you look at those numbers and NOT think the system is flawed?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 01:48:39 PM
ok...i know you've all been waiting for this :)

here are my pvr values and rankings for each individual player (using conference only stats) - i've split them into groups of 5

here is the pvr formula - (ppg+rpg+spg)*1.5 + (apg+bpg)*2 - (topg)*1.5 = PVR

if you don't like the formula, make your own :) - it may be flawed, but it's well thought out and i've actually utilized input from a number of coaches and members of this and the odac board to develop this formula

1st 5
PLAYERPPGRPGSTEALSASSISTSBLOCKSTO'SPVR
LAWRENCE-SU1811.976242747.35
HALL-NCWC20.64.3305004344.06
BARTON-CNU15.731510433743.13
FAWEHINMI-SU19.46.5203154641.85
LEWIS-CNU18.88.259152741.75

2nd 5
PLAYERPPGRPGSTEALSASSISTSBLOCKSTO'SPVR
JONES-FC19.18.581573741.44
GODSEY-FC16.17.31922121641.14
BRIGHT-GC17.97.9151673639.91
NICHOLSON-GC165.3165433239.45
COLEMAN-NCWC11.310.8136231138.23

3rd 5
PLAYERPPGRPGSTEALSASSISTSBLOCKSTO'SPVR
SELDEN-CNU15.84.1225213437.18
BLASSINGAME-CNU9.89.1214501837.02
SHUFORD-MU10.59.9192671936.1
DRAKE-NCWC16.72.4333614133.81
RADMANOVIC-MU12.86.5101862830.7
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 02:02:59 PM
lastly - here are my all-conference picks

1st team - hall, lawrence, bright, barton, lewis
2nd team - fawehinmi, jones, nicholson, brown (au), coleman
hm - selden, blassingame, shuford, hagwood (au), radmanovic

co-poty - hall/lawrence (although bright will probably win)
coty - allen
foty - drake
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 02:29:07 PM
Narch - I think the Monarchs have just as much chance of winning the Tournament as CNU. Maybe a slight edge to CNU due to home court advantage - but they gotta win Tuesday......or the Freeman Center will be empty.

And for those who call for neutral sites....if CNU loses Tuesday night, then the site would be neutral this year...and the place will be dead!

I predict GC wins it all. (Hey....Bballguy gave me Karma!!! And my Karma was severely dinged over the past few days and I wasn't even saying anything!!)

Dang!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: averetthoops on February 19, 2007, 03:26:41 PM
Just catching up on the posts after being away for a few days and noticed some of the issues with AU being the top seed.  Yes, Greensboro kicked our tails at their place, probably the worst we've played all year.  Yes, we had guys out when we played at SU but that's no excuse.  SU simply outplayed us that night.  All year long, everyone has known that AU was playing hurt, yet you never heard our guys complain.  They simply figured out what they needed to do over the last 7 games to give themselves a shot at postseason play.

I saw the rankings for all conference players and noticed that not many AU players were mentioned.  I think that stems a lot from the system you have to buy into if you play for Coach Allen.  The number of minutes you get as a player are not as great as other schools, so your stats aren't going to be as noticeable.  But the record over the last three years speaks for itself about the system Coach Allen runs.  Going from no wins three years ago to where the program is now says a lot.  I also think it shows that what can happen with players who weren't thought to have much talent at the beginning of the year put aside individual stats and focus on the team goal. 

Should be a great tournament.  Got to get my hotel reservations now!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2007, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 01:20:43 PM
Just calling it like we see it.
And you would have to be blind not to... see it, that is.
please, enlighten me then, because i don't see it...and i have 20/20 vision (well, technically it's only 20/20 when i'm wearing my contacts, but i wear them any time i'm not sleeping)
Sorry Narch.
My post was in reply to PSBBG's post just prior to yours.
But to answer your quirry, Greensboro was simply the stronger team down the final stretch, and has the momentum going into the tourney.  That could all change as we all know... and I have 20/15 vision w/o contacts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 02:29:07 PM
Narch - I think the Monarchs have just as much chance of winning the Tournament as CNU. Maybe a slight edge to CNU due to home court advantage - but they gotta win Tuesday......or the Freeman Center will be empty.

And for those who call for neutral sites....if CNU loses Tuesday night, then the site would be neutral this year...and the place will be dead!

I predict GC wins it all. (Hey....Bballguy gave me Karma!!! And my Karma was severely dinged over the past few days and I wasn't even saying anything!!)

Dang!
CNU85,  you're such a little girl. Always worried about the karma.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PM
and I have 20/15 vision w/o contacts.

Right! You can't read a beer label.....you think "White Zinfadel" is a lager!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:00:43 PM
Mensa....Don't leave the site.
Truce!!!!  No more calling you out.  I did't want to run you off, just ribbing you a little young-un.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PM
and I have 20/15 vision w/o contacts.

Right! You can't read a beer label.....you think "White Zinfadel" is a lager!
You remembered!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:02:03 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PM
and I have 20/15 vision w/o contacts.

Right! You can't read a beer label.....you think "White Zinfadel" is a lager!
Karma wench!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 05:03:02 PM
I don't remember anything and I will deny it all!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 05:03:33 PM
Hey Roundgrl....I sent you an email! It's about beer and wine!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 05:04:39 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:02:03 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PM
and I have 20/15 vision w/o contacts.

Right! You can't read a beer label.....you think "White Zinfadel" is a lager!
Karma wench!

-3 dudette!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:06:44 PM
Got, and get it.
Packer.  Thank you sir, may I have another?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 05:08:07 PM
No! You like it too much. I'm gonna put you on double secret probation instead!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 05:28:39 PM
Quote from: averetthoops on February 19, 2007, 03:26:41 PMI saw the rankings for all conference players and noticed that not many AU players were mentioned.  I think that stems a lot from the system you have to buy into if you play for Coach Allen.  The number of minutes you get as a player are not as great as other schools, so your stats aren't going to be as noticeable.  But the record over the last three years speaks for itself about the system Coach Allen runs.  Going from no wins three years ago to where the program is now says a lot.  I also think it shows that what can happen with players who weren't thought to have much talent at the beginning of the year put aside individual stats and focus on the team goal. 
from a statistical standpoint, what au does reminds me a lot of what mu does...the system spreads the wealth and there are a lot of guys that can hurt you...the downside is the lack of that one guy that can put the team on his back from a scoring standpoint - during the monarchs most recent run, the closest they had was sam porter...sam wasn't necessarily a guy that would beat you by scoring, though...he was a guy that out-hustled everyone and was a strong leader - even when he was conference poty, though, his stats weren't gaudy (13 ppg, 10 rpg)

by the way, the monarchs won or shared 3 straight conference championships and had just 3 players named to an all-conference team during that period (2 first team, 1 hm)...last year they had 2 all-conference players (1 first team, 1 2nd team), but finished in 4th place...i'll bet seth thomas and eugene grant would trade their all-conference selections last year for a 4th ring in a heartbeat
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PMSorry Narch.
My post was in reply to PSBBG's post just prior to yours.
But to answer your quirry, Greensboro was simply the stronger team down the final stretch, and has the momentum going into the tourney.  That could all change as we all know... and I have 20/15 vision w/o contacts.

thanks for responding to my query, but it's time to get the eyes checked or got a new eye doctor :)

au won 7 straight to close the season (including a game against gc) while gc has won just 4 in a row going into the tournament - how does this make gc the "stronger team down the final stretch"?

i also think that au's experience in the conference tourney last year...a one point ot loss in the finals...will be valuable - correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the last time gc won an opening round conference tournament game was the 200-01 season
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:57:35 PM
What does it mean to "share" a conference title?
Only one team gets a ring at the end of the year.  THAT'S the conference champion.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:57:35 PM
What does it mean to "share" a conference title?
Only one team gets a ring at the end of the year.  THAT'S the conference champion.
so who is the regular season champion this year?

the usasac crowns regular season co-champions in the case of a regular season tie and they crown a conference tournament champion

and i think both teams can get rings, but i could be wrong...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 06:08:38 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2007, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 05:57:35 PM
What does it mean to "share" a conference title?
Only one team gets a ring at the end of the year.  THAT'S the conference champion.
so who is the regular season champion this year?

the usasac crowns regular season co-champions in the case of a regular season tie and they crown a conference tournament champion

and i think both teams can get rings, but i could be wrong...
I'm not sure myself.  I thought just the tourney winner gets rings. 
To answer your first question, I would assume the team that got the #1 seed in the tourney was the regular season champ.  There is a tie-breaker reason they have that seed, why shouldn't the same tie breaker rules be used to determine the champ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 06:12:22 PM
BTW,
In all the banter I failed to mention...  AU is one darn good looking team this year as well!
Again...should be one great show.



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 06:27:46 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 06:08:38 PMThere is a tie-breaker reason they have that seed, why shouldn't the same tie breaker rules be used to determine the champ?
the tie-breaker is ONLY for the purposes of determining seeding for the tournament...the usasac has decided to name co-champions, so au and gc are co-champions...there have been many such instances in usasac basketball history (http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_basket_hist.shtml) - i honestly think most other conferences name co-champions when there is a tie in regular season standings, as well, but i could be wrong
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 06:56:41 PM
Well... Good news for AU!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 19, 2007, 07:50:27 PM
Did I miss something, what happend to nota? I leave for 24 hours and whammy, he's gone!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2007, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 19, 2007, 04:57:09 PMSorry Narch.
My post was in reply to PSBBG's post just prior to yours.
But to answer your quirry, Greensboro was simply the stronger team down the final stretch, and has the momentum going into the tourney.  That could all change as we all know... and I have 20/15 vision w/o contacts.

thanks for responding to my query, but it's time to get the eyes checked or got a new eye doctor :)

au won 7 straight to close the season (including a game against gc) while gc has won just 4 in a row going into the tournament - how does this make gc the "stronger team down the final stretch"?

i also think that au's experience in the conference tourney last year...a one point ot loss in the finals...will be valuable - correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the last time gc won an opening round conference tournament game was the 200-01 season

Narch-

I haven't called you out in a while. Thats is such a stupid stat 200"0"-01.  Greensboro hadn't had a winning season in such a long time.  (So they haven't had a high seed in a while. Grant it they didn't have a winning record that year either)

I am backing you up roundball (Darn backing up a CNU fan.)

AU has won 7 straight and on paper, yeah it looks like AU has made good run.  Take the last 10 games though.

GC 8-2 with a margin of victory of +9.4
AU 8-2 with a margin of victory of +5.5

GC is making a good run.  Ok so take out SOVA game (Pride won by 23)  7-2 with a +7.8 margin of victory.  Ok so you want 10 games ok adding in FC and still leaving out SOVA 7-3 with a margin of victory of +6.

On average I would say Greensboro made a better run.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 09:06:29 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 08:17:53 PM
Narch-

I haven't called you out in a while. Thats is such a stupid stat 200"0"-01.  Greensboro hadn't had a winning season in such a long time.  (So they haven't had a high seed in a while. Grant it they didn't have a winning record that year either)
how can a stat be stupid?

the pride have no history of tournament success and no pride player has ever won a conference tournament game, while au was ever-so-close last year, losing a 1 point overtime conference final to the homestanding captains...you can choose to ignore the stats that you don't like, but i clearly see the relevance of tournament experience...au has it, gc doesn't (unless you count possible juco tournament success)

by the way, i think the word you're looking for is granted...

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 08:17:53 PMAU has won 7 straight and on paper, yeah it looks like AU has made good run.  Take the last 10 games though......On average I would say Greensboro made a better run.
there are lies, there are damn lies, then there are statistics...

are we talking about closing the season or are we talking about the last 40% of the season?...i was specifically looking at how the teams FINISHED and you have to go back 8 games to find the last cougar loss, you only have to go back 5 games to find the last pride loss...last i checked 8 was bigger than 5, thus the cougars are riding a longer winning streak, thus the cougars closed the season out in stronger fashion - twist the numbers however you want, but au finished the 2nd half of the conference season undeafeted, the pride did not
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 19, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
granted, you are a tool.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 09:29:28 PM
when i was looking at numbers over the weekend and today for PVR calculation, there was a player whose numbers struck me as really amazing

gc senior james newman was hm all-conference last year, and i remember thinking he was a pretty nice all-around player - here are his numbers from 2005-2007

19 games/18 starts, 29.7 ppg, 15.1 ppg

here are his numbers this year

19 games/2 starts, 11.6 mpg, 5.1 ppg

i'm sure that he was perfectly happy this season because he got a share of a conference championship, but this is exactly why i don't like the "win-at-all-cost" mentality of recruiting transfers...this is a kid who busted his hump for 2 years after transferring from uncg, comes up big as a junior and really carried the team early in the year until the ringer enrolled (he was gc's high scorer in 4 of 8 pre-berg games) and is rewarded with approximately 1/3 of the minutes he played as a junior?  i'm all for playing your best 5, but recruiting over an all-conference performer just doesn't seem like it jives with the d3 philosophy, to me...nor does having a roster with 8 transfers and 6 who came directly out of high school
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2007, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 19, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
granted, you are a tool.
just so i know...what type of tool am i?  can i at least be a cool power tool...maybe an electric chain saw or one of those pneumatic sockets?

oh and i think you'll really like my latest post :)

who do you think will win the conference championship and why?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 19, 2007, 09:35:42 PM
Well i really hope GC wins, but CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 19, 2007, 10:04:08 PM
Man, it's too close to call for the tourney.  I think an AU-GC showdown would be a great final, but I think that CNU (with Lewis off the DL) could play spoiler as the home team - at a nuetral site of course... 

So - I am going with AU as my pick, because I think that CNU-GC semi will be a slugfest and the winner will be running on empty going into the final.

Although it would be sweet to see SU go bonkers and take the whole thing with the 1-11 record...   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 19, 2007, 10:09:17 PM
What's up with notamensa?  I went back to catch up on posts and he's listed as "guest" or something?  Tough it out killer and get back on the board. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 19, 2007, 09:35:42 PM
Well i really hope GC wins, but CNU.

Narch,

Is it just me, or do these GC guys use a different language.

And at least BBallguy didn't use "granite"...then you'd be a "granite tool"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 19, 2007, 10:09:17 PM
What's up with notamensa?  I went back to catch up on posts and he's listed as "guest" or something?  Tough it out killer and get back on the board. 

as rikki tikki said....."whammy" he's gone.

he'll be back...i quit once....it was fun
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 19, 2007, 10:47:52 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2007, 01:48:39 PM
ok...i know you've all been waiting for this :)

here are my pvr values and rankings for each individual player (using conference only stats) - i've split them into groups of 5

here is the pvr formula - (ppg+rpg+spg)*1.5 + (apg+bpg)*2 - (topg)*1.5 = PVR

if you don't like the formula, make your own :) - it may be flawed, but it's well thought out and i've actually utilized input from a number of coaches and members of this and the odac board to develop this formula

Finally the PVR formula. The gospel of Narch.  ;D

This is the only formula that makes sense on the entire board.  I think that based on the formula and the AU-GC co-champ, that Bright should probably get POTY.  JLawrence is at the top of the heap, but SU has struggled a tad this year (so take him off the list).  Under the same logic NCWC ended up in 6th place so Hall has no business being POTY (although I am not saying he isn't a great player - he is definately a very talented player and torched the Hornets).  The CNU guys had some nice stats but I don't think they lived up to expectations and their 3rd place finish costs either guy a shot at POTY. Fawehinmi's falls under the same reasoning as JLawrence.  That leads us to the second group, and the FC guys should get dropped because of their 5th place finish.  Which leaves us with Bright, who was the top GC player this year according the PVR, and from what I saw in person. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 11:26:09 PM
Narch-

I believe the NCAA looks at your last ten games.  If not at the d3 level there is always talk at the d1 level.  The last 10 games are part of selection criteria.

I believe the only problem with you formula is that it is missing how well they shoot. You can have 500 pts but only make 32% or you can have 400 pts and shot 40% or any combination.  I feel it is too incomplete. Its good, but its missing something. If you want a formula that is flawed use any of these http://www.eba-stats.com/form/table_revis.htm. 

I have used a combination of the first two for years but haven't applied it to the conference. I don't have the time to apply it to everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2007, 08:15:31 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 11:26:09 PMI believe the NCAA looks at your last ten games.  If not at the d3 level there is always talk at the d1 level.  The last 10 games are part of selection criteria.
not in d3...qowi and regional rankings, my friend

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 11:26:09 PMIf you want a formula that is flawed use any of these http://www.eba-stats.com/form/table_revis.htm. 
why would i want a flawed formula?

tbps is actually relatively close to pvr when you look at it closely and analyze the relative valuation of the variables - i disagree with (-1) for a personal foul...there are times when fouling is a good thing, and if you're playing intense defense, you're going to pick up some fouls...why should you be punished?  maybe if you took off a point for each disqualification, but not for each personal foul - the other thing i really disagree with is (+1) for an assist...every assist leads to at least 2 points and should be at least as valuable as points - tbps also makes no concession for blocks...why?

rip is equally as bad - what is an offensive fault forced?

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 11:26:09 PM
I have used a combination of the first two for years but haven't applied it to the conference. I don't have the time to apply it to everyone.
i'd like to see the combination formula that you're using and compare it to pvr

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 11:26:09 PM
I believe the only problem with you formula is that it is missing how well they shoot. You can have 500 pts but only make 32% or you can have 400 pts and shot 40% or any combination.  I feel it is too incomplete. Its good, but its missing something.
i worked fg% into the earlier versions of the formula and it really skewed the formula toward the big men, since they typically shoot better - i believe leroy has a formula which has different values by position (post, wing, guard...i think) - if i'm not mistaken, he pm'd me his formula last year  - for my purposes, this formula works just fine...it's been fine-tuned over the course of about 5 years with lots of input from people whose knowledge of the game i trust and respect, and it's been met with approval from almost everyone - there is no statistical measure that will ever be perfect, though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
Narch-
You are a trip.  What is your job? Are you in Quality Control?  Are you a Lawyer? (These are rhetorical questions.)  If it isn't yours or isn't anything you like then it isn't good at all.  That first one has been around since 1966.  I believe many have accepted it.  Otherwise it wouldn't be used or adapted for a 3 point shot.  Faults, I believe are charges taken I have seen that one on different website and they called it charges.  I can't see why you would think -1 for a foul is wrong.  I see your point but if you are playing intense defense but I would disagree with even having it in there because fouls are sometimes not in a player's control.  As for instance at the end of the game, sometimes you need to foul.  Back to the -1 you are cheating your team out at least 1 point for an offensive foul and giving the other team a possibilty of 1 point for a defensive foul.  I agree should be +2 for an assist, but you are "spliting" points you took part in the teammate in scoring at least two points so you get a point for that.  My best assumption from that.

As for my combo formula.  I have to go look through a bunch of spreadsheets to find it.  A reason why I haven't applied it is the fact charges taken aren't on the stats.  Numbers would be lower without it.

I still think fg% should be in the formula.  You are right post often have higher FG% yet lower FT% sometimes not the most points.  Guards have a lower FG% higher 3FG% more points and higher FT%

Why FT% I think effective FTs/FT% should be used in a player evaulation.  Four factors that must be in player evaulation also apply to the 4 factors of team evaluation. 4 Factors are:

1. Effective Shooting
2. "Taking care of the Ball"
3. OR=Offensive Rebounds=More Points
4.  FTs, FTs, FTs
(Sorry I had to make it look exciting, so you all would enjoy it)
FMI go here: http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/20040601_roboscout.htm

Narch create a formula based on that.  I would say that isn't flawed.  Just by looking at those 4 factors Lenny Hall is POTY (Without looking at statisitcs)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
4 Factors are:

1. Effective Shooting
2. "Taking care of the Ball"
3. OR=Offensive Rebounds=More Points
4.  FTs, FTs, FTs
(Sorry I had to make it look exciting, so you all would enjoy it)
FMI go here: http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/20040601_roboscout.htm

Narch create a formula based on that.  I would say that isn't flawed.  Just by looking at those 4 factors Lenny Hall is POTY (Without looking at statisitcs)



Based on those factors Shaquile (or however you spell it) O'Neill sucks! Which I tend to agree with....the man has zero basketball skills. He's just big and in the way and thus it's easy for him to get "stats"....but even I challenge the big man to a skills contest....dribbling, shooting, passing, etc. Heck even Captj could bounce more FTs in than Shaq.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 11:57:23 AM
I'm starting a campaign!! anyone at CNU reading this, pass it along...from a Vice Admiral level contributor -

Put in #24!!!!! We want Kraut!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 12:42:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
4 Factors are:

1. Effective Shooting
2. "Taking care of the Ball"
3. OR=Offensive Rebounds=More Points
4.  FTs, FTs, FTs
(Sorry I had to make it look exciting, so you all would enjoy it)
FMI go here: http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/20040601_roboscout.htm

Narch create a formula based on that.  I would say that isn't flawed.  Just by looking at those 4 factors Lenny Hall is POTY (Without looking at statisitcs)



Based on those factors Shaquile (or however you spell it) O'Neill sucks! Which I tend to agree with....the man has zero basketball skills. He's just big and in the way and thus it's easy for him to get "stats"....but even I challenge the big man to a skills contest....dribbling, shooting, passing, etc. Heck even Captj could bounce more FTs in than Shaq.


That is one of the reasons why I don't like the NBA sometimes.  Too much is based on athletic ability not enough on skills.  Thats why we Americans suck in international play. We don't have the skills.

Sarunas Jasikevicius one of my favorite MD players of recent years drops 28 against the "Best in the World" in 2004 (USA team).  Yet he really doesn't play in the NBA.  I know a guy from Serbia. They love Jasikevicius in Europe.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2007, 01:23:34 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 11:00:07 AMWhat is your job? Are you in Quality Control? 
you could call it that

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 11:00:07 AMIf it isn't yours or isn't anything you like then it isn't good at all.  That first one has been around since 1966.  I believe many have accepted it.  Otherwise it wouldn't be used or adapted for a 3 point shot. 
i never said it wasn't good...in fact i said that pvr and tbps are similar...i just don't agree with a couple of the variables used in tbps - you don't either and you're the one that called it a flawed formula...this is YOUR quote from earlier
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 19, 2007, 11:26:09 PMIf you want a formula that is flawed use any of these http://www.eba-stats.com/form/table_revis.htm. 


Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 11:00:07 AMFour factors that must be in player evaulation also apply to the 4 factors of team evaluation. 4 Factors are:

1. Effective Shooting
2. "Taking care of the Ball"
3. OR=Offensive Rebounds=More Points
4.  FTs, FTs, FTs
(Sorry I had to make it look exciting, so you all would enjoy it)
FMI go here: http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/20040601_roboscout.htm

Narch create a formula based on that.  I would say that isn't flawed.  Just by looking at those 4 factors Lenny Hall is POTY (Without looking at statisitcs)
pvr incorporates all of those things

again, here is the pvr formula:
(ppg+rpg+spg)*1.5 + (apg+bpg)*2 - (topg)*1.5 = PVR

1. - effective shooting = ppg (although fg % is not factored, you have to shoot to score...unless you are going to develop a different formula for each position, shooting percentage isn't going to be a fair measure across the board)
2. - "taking care of the ball" = to's
3. - OR = rpg
4. - FT's = ppg (again, % is not factored, but ft's made are...a guy who shoots 70% from the ft line but get there 10 times a game is more effective than a guy who shoots 100% and gets 2 ft's a game)

pvr also incorporates some things that you don't value, but most who know something about the game do, like ability to get teammates involved offensively (apg) and the ability to prevent the other team from scoring (spg & bpg)

if deflections and charges taken were official statistics, i would incorporate those stats into pvr, as well
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 12:42:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
4 Factors are:

1. Effective Shooting
2. "Taking care of the Ball"
3. OR=Offensive Rebounds=More Points
4.  FTs, FTs, FTs
(Sorry I had to make it look exciting, so you all would enjoy it)
FMI go here: http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/20040601_roboscout.htm

Narch create a formula based on that.  I would say that isn't flawed.  Just by looking at those 4 factors Lenny Hall is POTY (Without looking at statisitcs)



Based on those factors Shaquile (or however you spell it) O'Neill sucks! Which I tend to agree with....the man has zero basketball skills. He's just big and in the way and thus it's easy for him to get "stats"....but even I challenge the big man to a skills contest....dribbling, shooting, passing, etc. Heck even Captj could bounce more FTs in than Shaq.


That is one of the reasons why I don't like the NBA sometimes.  Too much is based on athletic ability not enough on skills.  Thats why we Americans suck in international play. We don't have the skills.

Sarunas Jasikevicius one of my favorite MD players of recent years drops 28 against the "Best in the World" in 2004 (USA team).  Yet he really doesn't play in the NBA.  I know a guy from Serbia. They love Jasikevicius in Europe.

yep...when we sent real "players" to the Olympics, we wiped them clean....Jordan, Magic, et al.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 02:20:37 PM
whoa......did I just have an exchange with bballguy and we were agreeing with each other??

See what happens when you finally get a good hoops team - you get smarter!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 03:58:47 PM
CNU85-
I don't think Narch would agree though.  I don't know if you could even say that.  Maybe it is that CNU's good finish not great, but good that has made you a little more humble  ;D

Here is what I say my top 10 sport strengths are in order.  Just because you call me smart.

1. D1 College Basketball (3 straight years of office pool wins.  Even picked George Mason over Carolina last year)
2. D1 College Football
3. NFL
4. MLB
5. D1 Women's Basketball
6. High School Football/Basketball (Mostly in MD I still follow both alot)
7. d3 basketball (both sides)
8. d3football
9. Church Softball
10. NBA

I would rather watch and play church softball than watch an NBA basketball game ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 04:21:37 PM
Another agreement. I hate the NBA. I would rather watch Roundbll vomit big chunks (which she does alot...she can't hold her beer) than watch the NBA!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 04:23:39 PM
speaking of beer....time to leave work early.....head home to change...then off to get a beer or 2 before the game. I hope CJ has figured a way to beat NCW. We haven't done it yet this year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 04:24:50 PM
Narch - quality control - I love it!!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 20, 2007, 09:42:44 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 20, 2007, 09:49:04 PM
Looks like SU and CNU are golfing tomorrow morning...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 09:59:23 PM
oh my....gotta collect my thoughts.............i'll write more in a minute
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUHoops on February 20, 2007, 10:06:15 PM
What was the deal in Greensboro tonite? Why did Lawerence bearly play? Semifinals are looking very interesting. Can the Bishops make a run to the Championship like they did 2 years ago when they knocked off CNU in the first round. Trey Drake sealed Conference Rookie of the Year tonite. And i think Bright locked up Player of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 10:09:26 PM
Maybe there is a flaw Narch in the system but FC was the better team "tonight"  Good win again for NCWC.  I am not to sure I haven't looked at the box score yet but what happened tonight in that game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 10:11:10 PM
ok here goes....with some emotion. CJ said after the game that all positions are open next year. I hope we find a point guard. Hopefully Julio "down by the schoolyard" Barton had the sophomore jinx. he was terrible tonight...10 turnovers all by himself and some bonehead plays. he couldn't protect the ball tonight.

we missed korey lewis tonight. Ed Riley stepped up big with 20 points and hustle.

Selden....man what can i say. i sa him on the floor after the game and couldn't get to him in time. i just wanted to say "thanks for a great 4 years". it was a privilege to wacth him play. Mr Selden - if you attack life with the same attitude as you use on the court, you wil be succesful!!!!!! I did see coach Watters after the game and hopefully he remembers to pass on my thanks to Selden.

recruiting will be key...we need big men and someone who can control a game at the #1 spot. i hope it can be Barton, but if not, he can sit. it will be hard to recruit...standards are going up and Trible is not compromising for athletes.

to the  seniors..Selden, Riley, Lewis, Witham, and Franklin....thanks and good luck!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 10:09:26 PM
Maybe there is a flaw Narch in the system but FC was the better team "tonight"  Good win again for NCWC.  I am not to sure I haven't looked at the box score yet but what happened tonight in that game?

as cj said....we gave it away....27 turnovers........choked...cough cough......Barton was terrible...and you can't have a pg choking like that
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 10:13:54 PM
we were up by 11 with less than 9 to go
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 10:14:33 PM
13 of 26 games this year were decided with the last possession....yikes
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 10:17:59 PM
roundbll....keep it cool...good thing you were stuck in Dallas tonight...........you wouldn't believe how dumb we played.

missed you at schooners....so you were replaced by someone younger and better looking!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUHoops on February 20, 2007, 10:25:15 PM
Without a doubt Korey Lewis was missed tonite. He is a first team all-conference member in my opinion. When he fouled out in our game against the Captains it was a plus.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 20, 2007, 10:34:46 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 20, 2007, 09:49:04 PM
Looks like SU and CNU are golfing tomorrow morning...

Narch, we would invite MU too - but with the way you guys golf down in the 'ville your hoops team probably shoots in the high 70's...

Hope the Quality Control is going well.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 10:38:00 PM
About the GC-SU game.  Great game tonight...well for GC.  I thought there was gonna be fight tonight, oh between the two coaches.  It was a very physical game and from what I heard it was real physical up at SU, maybe SU97 can verify that.  Its like a rival game or something.  GC and NCWC on friday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 20, 2007, 11:56:34 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2007, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 19, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
granted, you are a tool.
just so i know...what type of tool am i?  can i at least be a cool power tool...maybe an electric chain saw or one of those pneumatic sockets?

oh and i think you'll really like my latest post :)

who do you think will win the conference championship and why?
Narch,  you are showing your toolness...
There is no such thing as a pneumatic socket.  Maybe you meant to say socket wrench?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 20, 2007, 11:58:49 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2007, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 19, 2007, 10:09:17 PM
What's up with notamensa?  I went back to catch up on posts and he's listed as "guest" or something?  Tough it out killer and get back on the board. 

as rikki tikki said....."whammy" he's gone.

he'll be back...i quit once....it was fun
He'll just change his name....again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 21, 2007, 12:03:22 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 04:21:37 PM
Another agreement. I hate the NBA. I would rather watch Roundbll vomit big chunks (which she does alot...she can't hold her beer) than watch the NBA!
It's not the beer.  I gag easy...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 21, 2007, 12:10:04 AM
Good luck to the remaining teams.
I still say it's GC's year.
And if I'm wrong.... who cares?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2007, 08:16:22 AM
the monarchs were outscored by 26 points at the ft line last night and shot a whopping 33% at the line...tough loss to swallow, but at least the coaching staff gets a couple extra days to recruit, right :)

i have faith that coach ryerson and smith will go out and find some guys to replace the seniors...maybe they should go the juco route :)

and to echo roundbll's sentiments, good luck to everyone...i think it's the cougars year, but i also thought the monarchs would win last night
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bosco14 on February 21, 2007, 08:42:16 AM
seriously guys...how many games have cj woolum coached team blown
in the last eight years in the final seconds...it's mind boggling...and if
your in the stadium each time it is even worse because you know what's
coming (with the exception of last year's miracle) of course!!
how about coaching these kids up for crunch time situations cnu coaching
staff!!!! >:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 08:47:18 AM
crap...I just lost my entire post....I'll try again....

I was reviewing the game in my mind last night and thinkging maybe I didn't give NCW enough credit. Their guards are quick and caused Barton some problems. But their D was not that great....CNU shot 50%......

27 turnovers and NCW had 7 steals....34 trips down the floor with no points....drop that number i n half to 17 possible shots and make 8 of those.....do the math.

I'll give NCW credit for hanging tough, never giving up and when CNU lost composure...they jumped all over it...very opportunistic and they deserved the W.

Now for the conf tourney...not sure if I have a favorite.. AU or  GC.......trying to figure out who would have the best showing in the NCAA.

I'll cheer on the conf champ no matter who it is!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 21, 2007, 12:03:22 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 20, 2007, 04:21:37 PM
Another agreement. I hate the NBA. I would rather watch Roundbll vomit big chunks (which she does alot...she can't hold her beer) than watch the NBA!
It's not the beer.  I gag easy...

I'm not going anywhere near that comment!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 08:50:08 AM
Quote from: roundbll on February 20, 2007, 11:56:34 PM
There is no such thing as a pneumatic socket. 

Narch found one at adameve.com
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2007, 08:50:22 AM
here is a good article on dragan radmanovic (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=255210) from the fayetteville observer...i forgot to post it yesterday
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 08:53:48 AM
Quote from: bosco14 on February 21, 2007, 08:42:16 AM
seriously guys...how many games have cj woolum coached team blown
in the last eight years in the final seconds...it's mind boggling...and if
your in the stadium each time it is even worse because you know what's
coming (with the exception of last year's miracle) of course!!
how about coaching these kids up for crunch time situations cnu coaching
staff!!!! >:(

In past years I used to say it was the non conf schedule.......Md Bible, Bubbas Truckers College, etc.....

This year's non conf was a little tougher...York, VWC, etc

But I do belive in tough non conf schedules to help prepare for conf play. I'd rather be 16-9 and prepared going into the conf tourney rather than 21-4 and spanked in the tourney. There's not many at large bids...focus on winning the tournament....that's the only guaranteed way to make the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: exmonarchsid on February 21, 2007, 10:57:54 AM
What is up between Harris and Galuski? I heard Harris shouted at the GC coach last week in the waning moments about the play of his team, and then they about get into again last night. I've watched Rob coach a number of years and he definitely wears his emotions on his sleeve. Maybe these last couple of seasons have caught up with him. His teams have never been short on talent, but never can get it together. That's a shame because Lawrence is such a talented player.

Tough defeat for Methodist last night. That's the Monarchs' first defeat against Ferrum in at least five years. Still, it was a good season considering all that was lost from last season. I know coach Smith will bring in some good players, especially in the post, for next season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 21, 2007, 11:21:40 AM
 ;D   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 11:50:22 AM
 :-*
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 12:23:01 PM
I will give a little credit to CNU, one thing I worry about is those 6th seeds.  You got the wrath of it last night. (Although an "upset" by seeds but not by head to head as CNU lost already twice to them.)  Take MD they won the ACC tournament has a 6th seed.  Narch can recall this a few years ago MU women's team made it to the finals of USASouth tournament has a 6th seed.

Beware of the 6th seed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2007, 01:10:23 PM
can i play along?

:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 01:20:52 PM
The USASouth released its all-conference teams.  So I put together a little thing I call the USASouth "How Accurate Were You?"

The scoring is based that you get +2 for each player you get right within the team you picked (Right player (+1) Right team (+1))

+1 then for right player not right team.

+3 for getting player of the year correct and +3 for coach and +3 for rookie .  (You could get a total of 5 for each POTY and ROTY) Out of a total of 36 pts here is "How Accurate Were You?"

1st Narch 69.4%
2nd PSBBG 63.8%
3rd Notamensa 58.3%

(Note: Narch nota probably would have beaten both of us had he picked COTY, POTY, ROTY without it he did really well.)

If it weren't for the "bonus" (COTY, POTY, ROTY I would have beaten you by 1 point Narch ;D)

You can double check my math, if you would like anybody

Sorry Rikki-Tikki didn't include you.  You only had the first team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 08:47:18 AM
27 turnovers and NCW had 7 steals....34 trips down the floor with no points....

That's only 27 trips with no points. The seven steals essentially represent seven forced turnovers and the other 20 are unforced turnovers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Showstoppa on February 21, 2007, 01:36:43 PM
Hey PSBBG, who was the coach of the year?  It certainly couldn't have been Allen, that would be preposterous.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: AUHoops on February 21, 2007, 02:28:22 PM
Yo PSBBG Jimmy Allen dosn't deserve coach of the year because AU lost to Shenadoah? Did you really say and mean that. Cedric Jones got robed of 1st team by the way. Has any one  herd what was the deal with Lawerence last night?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 08:47:18 AM
27 turnovers and NCW had 7 steals....34 trips down the floor with no points....

That's only 27 trips with no points. The seven steals essentially represent seven forced turnovers and the other 20 are unforced turnovers.

oops...thanks - I had forgotten that steals were counted in the TO stat.....even so......27 is way too many to win!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
Quote from: AUHoops on February 21, 2007, 02:28:22 PM
Yo PSBBG Jimmy Allen dosn't deserve coach of the year because AU lost to Shenadoah? Did you really say and mean that. Cedric Jones got robed of 1st team by the way. Has any one  herd what was the deal with Lawerence last night?

That was one of the reasons why.  I also said because AU did what many expected that he shouldn't get it.  GC has had a losing record for so many years and managed to get first place (co-first place) to overlook that is ridiculous.  If anything there should have been co-coaches of the year.  They do it on the women's side of USASouth in the past.

I am the guy that says if you did better or showed vast improvement from the year before you should get it. AU didn't do that. But again I am also the guy that says if you repeat as champs you should get it too. I take improvement like that to be above that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Showstoppa on February 21, 2007, 03:38:57 PM
Bball guy the award is '' Coach of the year'' Not ''Recruiter of the year'' and yes i understand that recruiting is part of coaching but doesn't pertain to this award. The fact is the pride had alot of new kids playing this year and alot of player who might be more talented than the AU but the AU team tied for conference because they were better coached.

We should be focusing on more important topics like the 150 people that are going to show up to the Championship between AU and GC on CNU's Floor


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2007, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
Quote from: AUHoops on February 21, 2007, 02:28:22 PM
Yo PSBBG Jimmy Allen dosn't deserve coach of the year because AU lost to Shenadoah? Did you really say and mean that. Cedric Jones got robed of 1st team by the way. Has any one  herd what was the deal with Lawerence last night?

That was one of the reasons why.  I also said because AU did what many expected that he shouldn't get it.  GC has had a losing record for so many years and managed to get first place (co-first place) to overlook that is ridiculous.  If anything there should have been co-coaches of the year.  They do it on the women's side of USASouth in the past.

I am the guy that says if you did better or showed vast improvement from the year before you should get it. AU didn't do that. But again I am also the guy that says if you repeat as champs you should get it too. I take improvement like that to be above that.

I hope you realize that I doubt they take into consideration what happened 10 years ago. I have to think they look at changes from last year to this year, along with who didnt return, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2007, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Showstoppa on February 21, 2007, 03:38:57 PM
Bball guy the award is '' Coach of the year'' Not ''Recruiter of the year'' and yes i understand that recruiting is part of coaching but doesn't pertain to this award. The fact is the pride had alot of new kids playing this year and alot of player who might be more talented than the AU but the AU team tied for conference because they were better coached.

We should be focusing on more important topics like the 150 people that are going to show up to the Championship between AU and GC on CNU's Floor

150?? You think there will be that many people there?? Not counting the players, and staff?!?!?!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 04:40:38 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2007, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
Quote from: AUHoops on February 21, 2007, 02:28:22 PM
Yo PSBBG Jimmy Allen dosn't deserve coach of the year because AU lost to Shenadoah? Did you really say and mean that. Cedric Jones got robed of 1st team by the way. Has any one  herd what was the deal with Lawerence last night?

That was one of the reasons why.  I also said because AU did what many expected that he shouldn't get it.  GC has had a losing record for so many years and managed to get first place (co-first place) to overlook that is ridiculous.  If anything there should have been co-coaches of the year.  They do it on the women's side of USASouth in the past.

I am the guy that says if you did better or showed vast improvement from the year before you should get it. AU didn't do that. But again I am also the guy that says if you repeat as champs you should get it too. I take improvement like that to be above that.

I hope you realize that I doubt they take into consideration what happened 10 years ago. I have to think they look at changes from last year to this year, along with who didnt return, etc.

I am not even saying 10 years ago really.  Yeah its been that long, but GC had a LOSING RECORD last year. FIRST PLACE this year. How does that not warrant something? That is the last I am going to say about that.

How many coach awards are given in any other sport, college/pro where every year the coach of the year is the same coach because they finished first again.  If that were Joe Torre he would have shelf load of awards. It doesn't work that way.  I would say most times coach of the year goes to the coach that did better than expected or took a good team and made them win a championship.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 05:14:39 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2007, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Showstoppa on February 21, 2007, 03:38:57 PM
Bball guy the award is '' Coach of the year'' Not ''Recruiter of the year'' and yes i understand that recruiting is part of coaching but doesn't pertain to this award. The fact is the pride had alot of new kids playing this year and alot of player who might be more talented than the AU but the AU team tied for conference because they were better coached.

We should be focusing on more important topics like the 150 people that are going to show up to the Championship between AU and GC on CNU's Floor

150?? You think there will be that many people there?? Not counting the players, and staff?!?!?!  ;)

I estimated 90 a few days ago!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Showstoppa on February 21, 2007, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2007, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Showstoppa on February 21, 2007, 03:38:57 PM
Bball guy the award is '' Coach of the year'' Not ''Recruiter of the year'' and yes i understand that recruiting is part of coaching but doesn't pertain to this award. The fact is the pride had alot of new kids playing this year and alot of player who might be more talented than the AU but the AU team tied for conference because they were better coached.

We should be focusing on more important topics like the 150 people that are going to show up to the Championship between AU and GC on CNU's Floor

150?? You think there will be that many people there?? Not counting the players, and staff?!?!?!  ;)

I know its not alot but people like my self and alot of other AU fan and I'm sure GC fans won't be able to make it cause of  the distance,  how did it happen that CNU gets to host two years in a row, most conferences I know go by top seed or a neutral site that is in the middle of most of the conference schools?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 06:16:55 PM
So I guess everyone has heard that there will be FREE live video stream of the semi-finals and finals of the USASouth.  If not it is on the website (usasouth.net)

It looks like though d3hoops hasn't gotten.  I kept looking for it.  I think this video stream idea is big news, but because I don't have access to releasing press releases, I can't release it.  Hopefully somebody will.
This could get the conference some exposure.

Showstoppa-
I think neutral site all the way.  Closer to the Carolina region. Think about it the only two schools that have to travel really travel than are CNU and SU. Whats the Average distance in miles in hours of all the teams in the semi-finals this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2007, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 10:38:00 PM
About the GC-SU game.  Great game tonight...well for GC.  I thought there was gonna be fight tonight, oh between the two coaches.  It was a very physical game and from what I heard it was real physical up at SU, maybe SU97 can verify that.  Its like a rival game or something.  GC and NCWC on friday.

Not too much history w/GC. The last three years GC has had our number - going 6-0 vs. the Hornets.  But over the past 10 years before that it's leaned toward SU by a 14-6 margin.  I honestly don't ever remember SU and GC having any type of rivalry in bball.  We are just programed to hate the Captains!   ;)

Yep, I was at the game on Friday night.  What you are referring to is one of the GC kids threw out a hard blatant foul and knocked Kenny to the floor. From my vantage point it was a really dirty play. Then coach Harris jumped up and started yelling at the GC coach to get his team under control. The fans started clapping and it was the most emotion I've seen from SU all year, unfortunately a tad too late.  But then I heard this week that the same GC player who fouled Kenny also threw a haymaker at our point guard down in Greensboro earlier in the year, but the kid missed. I can only guess it was a culmination of all those things together.  But yeah, it was a real physical game.

I didn't get a chance to listen to Tuesday night's game, so I didn't know anything went down in Greensboro - I was at the SU girls game watching them steal one from Methodist!  ;D  Sorry Narch couldn't help it...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 08:24:07 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 21, 2007, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 20, 2007, 10:38:00 PM
About the GC-SU game.  Great game tonight...well for GC.  I thought there was gonna be fight tonight, oh between the two coaches.  It was a very physical game and from what I heard it was real physical up at SU, maybe SU97 can verify that.  Its like a rival game or something.  GC and NCWC on friday.

Not too much history w/GC. The last three years GC has had our number - going 6-0 vs. the Hornets.  But over the past 10 years before that it's leaned toward SU by a 14-6 margin.  I honestly don't ever remember SU and GC having any type of rivalry in bball.  We are just programed to hate the Captains!   ;)

Yep, I was at the game on Friday night.  What you are referring to is one of the GC kids threw out a hard blatant foul and knocked Kenny to the floor. From my vantage point it was a really dirty play. Then coach Harris jumped up and started yelling at the GC coach to get his team under control. The fans started clapping and it was the most emotion I've seen from SU all year, unfortunately a tad too late.  But then I heard this week that the same GC player who fouled Kenny also threw a haymaker at our point guard down in Greensboro earlier in the year, but the kid missed. I can only guess it was a culmination of all those things together.  But yeah, it was a real physical game.

I didn't get a chance to listen to Tuesday night's game, so I didn't know anything went down in Greensboro - I was at the SU girls game watching them steal one from Methodist!  ;D  Sorry Narch couldn't help it...



Well a GC player fouled an SU player trying to block a shot it wasn't intentional by any means. He did get a piece of him and a SU player stood up and confronted him (You know chest to chest there were technicals called.) Our player just walked away.  I don't consider us a rival but as physical as the games you would think so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
i still say coach smith at mu deserves the coty award...he obviously had less talent than any other team as noted by the all-conference picks (just one hm all-conference player) and still managed to guide the team to a 4th place finish, ahead of 3 teams who had 2 all-conference players and 2 that had 1st team all-conference players...obviously the monarchs weren't more talented than ncwc, ferrum or su...coaching must have been the difference (obviously there is a little sarcasm there)

i think coach allen really deserves the award - he runs a class program, he gets kids that seem to be a good fit for d3 and he maximizes the talent that he has - while it's true that au was a good program last year and they didn't necessarily "take the next step", they lost 4 of their top 6 scorers from that team and still maintained - greensboro made a 2 game improvement in conference play, and should be commended for that but i think the coty award really is a culmination of what players do on and off the court, and by all accounts, coach allen is doing everything right - i personally know a number of coaches who have coached against him, and not one of them has anything negative to say about him or the au program
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 08:51:43 PM
I think you warrant your opinion.  Then again though take a look at FC. Maybe he deserves it.

I think Coach Allen is a great coach, not that I have met him but ever since he took over at AU, I thought this guy will do a great job.

Narch-
Your comment
Quote from: narch on February 21, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
he runs a class program, he gets kids that seem to be a good fit for d3 and he maximizes the talent that he has
I think I may be taken it a wrong way, but to me it looks like a "read between the lines attack" on the GC program. (I know you have talked about it before.)  Which I will not argue/get into on this board again.

Well I will say this since the coaches vote on the coach I think some of them were mad that they got beat by GC (Finally in some cases) (Just joking) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2007, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: exmonarchsid on February 21, 2007, 10:57:54 AM
I've watched Rob coach a number of years and he definitely wears his emotions on his sleeve. Maybe these last couple of seasons have caught up with him. His teams have never been short on talent, but never can get it together. That's a shame because Lawrence is such a talented player.


SU's definately had some talent come through, but it's always seemed like we've had tremendous guard play but struggled at times when it came to the big men.  You look back over the past ten years and SU has had more than their share of All-Conference guards: Dixon, Thompson, Helman, Rhone, Purnell, etc...  But we've never had overwhelmingly dominate guys on the glass, except for a rare occation in 2003 and 2004 where we had all pieces of the puzzle. It's only been the past couple of years that it's flip-floped, Onyie and Jeremiah being the first big men in a long time to be recognized at the conference level. Our guards, meanwhile, have really struggled from 3-point land. Fawahemi is a good example, he really isn't a 2guard, he's more of a slasher at the SF.  He rebounds and hustles to make shots inside in the mix. But yet we are forced to play him at the SG. What has been hurting the last two years is that we haven't had a real outside presence to keep teams honest underneath. If we had a shooter from outside then teams couldn't keep things so tight on JLawrence. Case in point:  3 seconds left in the NCWC game and NCWC runs a zone on us. They knew our best chance of scoring would be to go down low, so they let us shoot almost uncontested and... we missed...But who runs a ZONE in that situation???  (props to NCWC)  But to get back to where I was going with this is that we need more options and balance to get to the top of the league.  If Harris can get some more big guys in to begin to ease the transition as JLawrence graduates, and finds a pure 3-point shooter and a Ronald Merriweather do-it-all type SF, then we should begin to make a run. On the plus side, this is also a very young group on the roster, so I think give these guys another two years and they should be okay.   

Plus, it was great to see JLawrence get some credit for his play down low. You have to remember he is a PF, not a center.  He only grabbed that role in the second half of last season when Onyie was out for grades, and then again this year when Onyie went down with the injury. I would have loved to have seen us compete in the conference this year had he and Steve Johns (2guard, shooter) been healthy...  The last two years have been really rough for the hornets, but injuries and stuff happens...  I'm sure Harris will bring in a couple of guys who fit the needs of the program.  OH, AND I HOPE THEY ARE TALL.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2007, 09:13:31 PM
I have to agree on the POTY, COTY, and ROTY selections this year.

There wasn't a guy on the court who was better than GC's #30. The Rookie pick was right on, and I do believe the AU coach deserves the credit. 

Look, the guy down in GC did a great job turning the program around, there's no debate there.  But I think it is interesting that AU had such a great year before the conference and then got hit by 892 injuries, and I think it is fair to say most everybody chalked them up for dead at the point of the SU game. 

Had AU lost the rest of their games and bowed out quietly I don't think there would have been a word written on here regarding their demise. But they did the opposite. It's a testament to the AU program: coaches and players that they rallied from the depths of (well, losing to SU for that matter) to claw their way back to the top and gain the #1 seed for the tourney.  What they did showed guts and a will to win. They used everybody, probably the water boy and the stats guy, in their conference run - my hat is off to the AU coaches for getting through that. Well done.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2007, 09:21:09 PM
Plus - none of this really matters until someone wins the AQ this weekend...  we're only sending one team to the NCAA's.

I disagree with a lot of you guys on the board - I think over the last two years the USASAC has been weaker than it used to be.  Nothing I can prove, but I just think we've had stronger squads out there in the past.  Just an observation.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 09:33:39 PM
SU97 - i agree with your last 2 posts 100%...karma for you!!

i think the league is more even this year, but in order to get there....the top 2-4 programs (as compared to previous years) are not as strong.....the league has regressed to the middle. I think even the AQ will not go far in the NCAA. I hope it's just a cycle and things get better. But you're absolutely right in saying the league used to have higher caliber teams at the top. I really thought CNU was going to improve this year. They had a good 20 win season last year and only lost 1 starter to graduation.....then they almost beat VWC in the second game of the year this year and followed with 4 straight wins...i figured....ok, here we go fellas!!! since the 4-2 start we went 11-9. And next year could get WORSE for CNU. Only 2 big men on the roster...Blasingame and an unproven Luke Jackson. If they can't recruit 3-4 big men and if Barton has a repeat performance for the season next year...we'll struggle to win 10.

Coach Ross has his job cut out for him.....he's gonna have to pull some rabbits out of his hat. Trible is just not backing down on continuing to raise academic standards and athletes will have to follow the same rules. It's hard for non scholarship schools to compete for top students-athletes. A kid who is a decent athlete and really good student could opt for a William & Mary with a scholarship. And CNU's standards will be at that level very very soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 21, 2007, 10:24:33 PM
Narch, you know what 4th place gets you.........jack crap. Whats the big deal about recruiting juco players. Does Methodist have no transfers? I know your coach talked to a friend of mine who coaches a juco team who was just at your house playing the jv. You whine to much. Maybe GC should get more 4 year players but there is many other teams in our area that Greensboro has to compete with for players.....UNCG, A&T, Guilford, WSSU, RCC and now  GTTC. Who does Methodist have ? Fayetteville State.Please. Sour grapes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2007, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 09:33:39 PM
SU97 - i agree with your last 2 posts 100%...karma for you!!

i think the league is more even this year, but in order to get there....the top 2-4 programs (as compared to previous years) are not as strong.....the league has regressed to the middle. I think even the AQ will not go far in the NCAA. I hope it's just a cycle and things get better. But you're absolutely right in saying the league used to have higher caliber teams at the top. I really thought CNU was going to improve this year. They had a good 20 win season last year and only lost 1 starter to graduation.....then they almost beat VWC in the second game of the year this year and followed with 4 straight wins...i figured....ok, here we go fellas!!! since the 4-2 start we went 11-9. And next year could get WORSE for CNU. Only 2 big men on the roster...Blasingame and an unproven Luke Jackson. If they can't recruit 3-4 big men and if Barton has a repeat performance for the season next year...we'll struggle to win 10.

You guys will be okay, lets not capsize the Captains on your 2007-08 preview just yet. You are forgetting Blasingame is just a sophmore. He has produced for CNU for two years where most kids would be on the bench. That two years of experience are going to make him into one heck of a big man - you have the chance that he could be playing, as a junior, at the level of confidence and experience that is usually left to a senior...  Barton is in the same boat, you guys are going to have the core talent needed.  Although losing Lewis is going to sink your chances. Losing Seldon doesn't hurt you much either, although I think he was better than Romeo and didn't get a fair shake.

Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 09:33:39 PM

Coach Ross has his job cut out for him.....he's gonna have to pull some rabbits out of his hat. Trible is just not backing down on continuing to raise academic standards and athletes will have to follow the same rules. It's hard for non scholarship schools to compete for top students-athletes. A kid who is a decent athlete and really good student could opt for a William & Mary with a scholarship. And CNU's standards will be at that level very very soon.

Let's not go overboard...  no offense to CNU, but Bill&Mary is regarded as a Public Ivy, normally ranked as one of the top public institutions in the nation. CNU is ranked in USNews&WR as a 4th tier liberal arts college. 

Again, CNU85 I'm not trying to cut down CNU- by any means - and I stand by my earlier post from a couple of weeks ago that I think Tribble has done an amazing job of turning CNU around on so many levels. I just kinda think that comparing the two and also talking about the caliber of student-athlete at the two schools is a bit of a stretch.  Bill&Mary has a number of its teams make the NCAA's each year at the D-I level and I think there is a difference in the level of athlete between the two.

Look at it this way though - NCAA made Bill&Mary drop the Tribe, which is crap...  at least you get to keep the Captain as your mascot. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2007, 11:29:29 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 06:16:55 PM
So I guess everyone has heard that there will be FREE live video stream of the semi-finals and finals of the USASouth.  If not it is on the website (usasouth.net)

It looks like though d3hoops hasn't gotten.  I kept looking for it.  I think this video stream idea is big news, but because I don't have access to releasing press releases, I can't release it.  Hopefully somebody will.
This could get the conference some exposure.

Every SID has this access. They need to log in:
http://www.d3hoops.com/data_entry/ for press releases
http://d3sports.d3scoreboard.com/ for game day info, including game stories and adding audio/video links
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 08:49:53 AM
SU97,

I agree with what you're saying.....you're just more optimistic than I am right now.....blasingame will be a huge player the next 2 years....what I was trying to say is that he needs help...and there are NO EXPERIENCED big men on CNU's roster......If CNU doesn't figure that out, his last 2 years are going to be very frustrating for him.....he'll be "bringing along" younger guys, rather than being surrounding by experience...although this year with Lewis, Riley, Blasingame - we still only managed 15-11.

Selden is a HUGE HUGE HUGE LOSS - more so than Romeo!!!If we didn't have Selden this year, CNU finishes 9-17...no doubt! You can't look at his stats....you just have to watch him play - he was the soul of the team and he averaged over 35 minutes per game!!

I have degrees from CNU and W&M - and I know W&M has been around since 1693,,,,but I'm telling you, from  the standpoint of what it takes to be accepted, GPA, SAT, Extra-curicular stuff...the gap is closing FAST! CNU will never have the reputation of W&M....I was just looking strictly at acceptance standards. Trible went to Hampden Sydney and then Washington & Lee......he has a vision for CNU to become one of the best "small" schools in the state, region.

I look at it this way...I have a Masters from W&M (so I'm not as dumb as I appear on this board)....if you take my HS transcript, SAT scores, and all the other stuff as if I was coming straight out of high school - I don't get in to CNU this year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2007, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 21, 2007, 10:24:33 PM
Narch, you know what 4th place gets you.........jack crap.
sarcasm - noun: harsh or bitter derision or irony
irony - noun: the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning

Quote from: pride1fan on February 21, 2007, 10:24:33 PMWhats the big deal about recruiting juco players. Does Methodist have no transfers? I know your coach talked to a friend of mine who coaches a juco team who was just at your house playing the jv.
juco transfers just aren't the norm at d3's...there aren't many juco kids, especially ones who played significant roles at strong juco programs who typically end up at d3's...it's maginified when you have four of them in one year - there are coaches that i know who work for winning, scholarship programs with nice facilities who can't land 4 florida juco kids who have ability in one year...to me, it seems odd that a non-scholarship program that hasn't had a winning season in a long time and plays in a gym worse than most high school facilities is able to pull that off - when you couple that with the fact that 8 of the 14 players on the gc basketball roster are transfers, i think it's natural to ask "what's going on" - i've never said that having transfers was a bad thing, i've just wondered how it came to be that gc was so attractive to student-athletes who had previously attended scholarship programs

and, mu has 2 players who previously attended scholarship programs on their men's basketball roster...ab lehmann was a walk-on at vcu and john myatt played a reserve role at louisburg college - i'm pretty certain there are more transfer student-athletes on the gc men's basketball and baseball rosters (23...and you might not need to throw in the baseball roster for this statement to be true) than there are on all 17 of the mu rosters combined...doesn't that seem odd to you since the 2 institutions are otherwise relatively similar?

Quote from: pride1fan on February 21, 2007, 10:24:33 PMYou whine to much. Maybe GC should get more 4 year players but there is many other teams in our area that Greensboro has to compete with for players.....UNCG, A&T, Guilford, WSSU, RCC and now  GTTC. Who does Methodist have ? Fayetteville State.Please. Sour grapes.
maybe i do whine to much, but i hardly think there are any sour grapes...i've been questioning gc's recruiting of transfers for the last 4 or 5 years, when gc was clearly worse than mu - mu does compete for players with fsu on a regular basis (and honestly, they don't win very many when fsu is offering athletic money), which is more than i would say for gc with uncg, nca&t, and wssu...it's hard to believe that many athletes who have d1 offers from those places is really narrowing his choice down to gc or one of those d1 schools...i know it OCCASIONALLY happens, but let's not pretend these guys are choosing d3 basketball over d1 basketball on a regular basis

i would also add that a number of basketball players over the last few years have had mu and guilford on their short list...unfortunately, most chose guilford and at least 2 chose to transfer from mu to guilford...'nova is pretty pleased about that :)

Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 21, 2007, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: narch on February 21, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
he runs a class program, he gets kids that seem to be a good fit for d3 and he maximizes the talent that he has
I think I may be taken it a wrong way, but to me it looks like a "read between the lines attack" on the GC program. (I know you have talked about it before.)  Which I will not argue/get into on this board again.

you are "taken" it the wrong way...i don't know much about the gc coach, and have made no comments about him in relation to coach allen...there is no need for you to read between the lines - i've been critical of specific coaches on these boards before and if i feel that i need to be critical of specific coaches in the future, i will - any relative comparison being made is being made between coach allen and the gc coach is being made by the reader of that quote, not the author
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 22, 2007, 01:01:49 PM
I know have typos in all my posts, but this is right off the USASouth awards release.

"The Captains began the season with the best start in the program's history (9-0) which included a victory over Virginia Wesleyan, the defending national champions."

No wonder coach Allen won the COTY award. He coached AU and CNU  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 03:47:45 PM
Dang.....The AU Captains...when did they change thier mascot?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 04:07:33 PM
ok...time to gripe......Blasingame wasn't named to even the honorable mention team.....not sure I agree...

He was first in rebounding - 22nd in nation
First in FG% at 60.5% - would have been near tops in nation but he was short a few FGs.
First in Blocks - 3rd in nation
16th in scoring

ummm........I'm open to hearing other opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 04:07:33 PM
ok...time to gripe......Blasingame wasn't named to even the honorable mention team.....not sure I agree...

He was first in rebounding - 22nd in nation
First in FG% at 60.5% - would have been near tops in nation but he was short a few FGs.
First in Blocks - 3rd in nation
16th in scoring

ummm........I'm open to hearing other opinions.

I'm with you on this one, CNU. All the stuff you mentioned, plus the guy averaged a double-double. How many people do that? He is the rare, inside force, shot blocker and rebounder that most D3 teams don't have. How that "skill set" can be overlooked is beyond me.

One problem is, you have too many Tracy McGrady-like "volume shooters" (to borrow Matt Grubb's term) selected ... look at the shooting %s of some of those guys ... I swear ... it seems like all most people care about is scoring, scoring, scoring ... regardless of how many shots a guy has to throw up to do it ...

I can tell you this ... if I got to select a squad out of the USA South, he'd be in my top ten ... maybe top five.

As Al McGuire used to say, "You gotta have the "big aircraft carrier" to control the middle and the PG to run the show ... it's easy to find shooters to fill in around them."

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 22, 2007, 06:12:42 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 07:02:21 PM
wow...just reviewing the stats for the conference. So many good things for CNU....so many bad......we had the least # of turnovers which i would not have guessed....but the worst turnover ratio.....ummm...meaning to me, no defense.....highest scoring team....next to last in points allowed....ummm...no defense......FG % was over 50%....allowed 42%...not bad......#1 in defesnive rebounds......near the bottom in offensive rebounds....tops in FT%, blocks,

only +2.0 in the points margin.....i guess the theme is lack of defensive consistency..
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 22, 2007, 08:01:11 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 08:49:53 AM
SU97,

I agree with what you're saying.....you're just more optimistic than I am right now.....blasingame will be a huge player the next 2 years....what I was trying to say is that he needs help...and there are NO EXPERIENCED big men on CNU's roster......If CNU doesn't figure that out, his last 2 years are going to be very frustrating for him.....he'll be "bringing along" younger guys, rather than being surrounding by experience...although this year with Lewis, Riley, Blasingame - we still only managed 15-11.

Point taken, I guess I didn't realize how bad you guys were hurting down low. From the looks of it you may have missed your window with surrounding Blasingame with talent.  That's a shame.  On paper this should have been your year.

Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 08:49:53 AM

I have degrees from CNU and W&M - and I know W&M has been around since 1693,,,,but I'm telling you, from  the standpoint of what it takes to be accepted, GPA, SAT, Extra-curicular stuff...the gap is closing FAST! CNU will never have the reputation of W&M....I was just looking strictly at acceptance standards. Trible went to Hampden Sydney and then Washington & Lee......he has a vision for CNU to become one of the best "small" schools in the state, region.

I look at it this way...I have a Masters from W&M (so I'm not as dumb as I appear on this board)....if you take my HS transcript, SAT scores, and all the other stuff as if I was coming straight out of high school - I don't get in to CNU this year!

I was looking at it more from the rankings/reputation end when referring to your earlier comments.  And I heard Trible made a stop in Winchester years ago as well.   ;D

Quote from: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 04:07:33 PM
ok...time to gripe......Blasingame wasn't named to even the honorable mention team.....not sure I agree...

He was first in rebounding - 22nd in nation
First in FG% at 60.5% - would have been near tops in nation but he was short a few FGs.
First in Blocks - 3rd in nation
16th in scoring

ummm........I'm open to hearing other opinions.

I'm with you on this one, CNU. All the stuff you mentioned, plus the guy averaged a double-double. How many people do that? He is the rare, inside force, shot blocker and rebounder that most D3 teams don't have. How that "skill set" can be overlooked is beyond me.

One problem is, you have too many Tracy McGrady-like "volume shooters" (to borrow Matt Grubb's term) selected ... look at the shooting %s of some of those guys ... I swear ... it seems like all most people care about is scoring, scoring, scoring ... regardless of how many shots a guy has to throw up to do it ...

I can tell you this ... if I got to select a squad out of the USA South, he'd be in my top ten ... maybe top five.

As Al McGuire used to say, "You gotta have the "big aircraft carrier" to control the middle and the PG to run the show ... it's easy to find shooters to fill in around them."


Blasingame got hosed. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 22, 2007, 08:07:03 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 21, 2007, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 09:33:39 PM
SU97 - i agree with your last 2 posts 100%...karma for you!!

i think the league is more even this year, but in order to get there....the top 2-4 programs (as compared to previous years) are not as strong.....the league has regressed to the middle. I think even the AQ will not go far in the NCAA. I hope it's just a cycle and things get better. But you're absolutely right in saying the league used to have higher caliber teams at the top. I really thought CNU was going to improve this year. They had a good 20 win season last year and only lost 1 starter to graduation.....then they almost beat VWC in the second game of the year this year and followed with 4 straight wins...i figured....ok, here we go fellas!!! since the 4-2 start we went 11-9. And next year could get WORSE for CNU. Only 2 big men on the roster...Blasingame and an unproven Luke Jackson. If they can't recruit 3-4 big men and if Barton has a repeat performance for the season next year...we'll struggle to win 10.

You guys will be okay, lets not capsize the Captains on your 2007-08 preview just yet. You are forgetting Blasingame is just a sophmore. He has produced for CNU for two years where most kids would be on the bench. That two years of experience are going to make him into one heck of a big man - you have the chance that he could be playing, as a junior, at the level of confidence and experience that is usually left to a senior...  Barton is in the same boat, you guys are going to have the core talent needed.  Although losing Lewis is going to sink your chances. Losing Seldon doesn't hurt you much either, although I think he was better than Romeo and didn't get a fair shake.

Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2007, 09:33:39 PM

Coach Ross has his job cut out for him.....he's gonna have to pull some rabbits out of his hat. Trible is just not backing down on continuing to raise academic standards and athletes will have to follow the same rules. It's hard for non scholarship schools to compete for top students-athletes. A kid who is a decent athlete and really good student could opt for a William & Mary with a scholarship. And CNU's standards will be at that level very very soon.

Let's not go overboard...  no offense to CNU, but Bill&Mary is regarded as a Public Ivy, normally ranked as one of the top public institutions in the nation. CNU is ranked in USNews&WR as a 4th tier liberal arts college. 

Again, CNU85 I'm not trying to cut down CNU- by any means - and I stand by my earlier post from a couple of weeks ago that I think Tribble has done an amazing job of turning CNU around on so many levels. I just kinda think that comparing the two and also talking about the caliber of student-athlete at the two schools is a bit of a stretch.  Bill&Mary has a number of its teams make the NCAA's each year at the D-I level and I think there is a difference in the level of athlete between the two.

Look at it this way though - NCAA made Bill&Mary drop the Tribe, which is crap...  at least you get to keep the Captain as your mascot. 


CNU85 - no real argument here on any of this anyways...

The truth is...  I really just wanted to use the words capsize, boat, sink, and overboard in a post about the Captains.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 08:31:15 PM
SU97.....that was funny!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2007, 08:31:29 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 22, 2007, 08:01:11 PMBlasingame got hosed.

agreed

and great job of working those 4 words in...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 22, 2007, 09:05:35 PM
somebody get hassanova a beer ASAP.  Looks like BC pulled a major upset in the ODAC...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on February 22, 2007, 11:00:26 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 08:49:53 AM
SU97,

I look at it this way...I have a Masters from W&M (so I'm not as dumb as I appear on this board)....if you take my HS transcript, SAT scores, and all the other stuff as if I was coming straight out of high school - I don't get in to CNU this year!
You say that as if your masters from W&M makes you smart!
You're killing me.  All that tells me is that you paid more for your Masters than I did for mine from Oklahoma.  besides, I've met you...  nuff said.

And whoever said Dante' wasn't a big loss to CNU...  you lost some credability on that statement fella!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2007, 09:42:43 PM
if anyone had any luck getting the video stream to play, let me know...i'd like to watch the finals, but i couldn't get it to play the stream...it launched quick time and just said "live broadcast" with no sound or video
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2007, 08:55:19 AM
guess i was wrong about ncwc's chances in the tournament...or maybe i was right that the other side of the draw was tougher

what are your thoughts, pride1fan?

will you be giving us one of these  >:( or these  :'( or these  :-[ or these  :( ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 24, 2007, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 22, 2007, 09:05:35 PM
somebody get hassanova a beer ASAP.  Looks like BC pulled a major upset in the ODAC...
I was actually hospitalized with a lager IV, but thanks for thinking of me.  Time - and alcohol - may pull me through.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2007, 07:35:50 PM
congrats to the cougars...another fantastic usasac final involving averett - rep the usasac well, boys!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 24, 2007, 09:18:33 PM
Those 6ths seeds are always trouble.  I knew any team that would win the conference WILL represent us well in the tournament. About NCWC at one point they were 5-2 and a half a game out of first.  They heated up enough to get into the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 24, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
Congrats to the Cougars for what seemed like a well-fought double OT win. I hope they represent the USA South well in the NCAA Tournament.

On a side note, I know this is the men's board, but I wanted to congratulate the CNU women's team for its victory over Ferrum in the championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on February 25, 2007, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: old_lion on February 22, 2007, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 04:07:33 PM
ok...time to gripe......Blasingame wasn't named to even the honorable mention team.....not sure I agree...

He was first in rebounding - 22nd in nation
First in FG% at 60.5% - would have been near tops in nation but he was short a few FGs.
First in Blocks - 3rd in nation
16th in scoring

ummm........I'm open to hearing other opinions.

I'm with you on this one, CNU. All the stuff you mentioned, plus the guy averaged a double-double. How many people do that? He is the rare, inside force, shot blocker and rebounder that most D3 teams don't have. How that "skill set" can be overlooked is beyond me.

One problem is, you have too many Tracy McGrady-like "volume shooters" (to borrow Matt Grubb's term) selected ... look at the shooting %s of some of those guys ... I swear ... it seems like all most people care about is scoring, scoring, scoring ... regardless of how many shots a guy has to throw up to do it ...

I can tell you this ... if I got to select a squad out of the USA South, he'd be in my top ten ... maybe top five.

As Al McGuire used to say, "You gotta have the "big aircraft carrier" to control the middle and the PG to run the show ... it's easy to find shooters to fill in around them."



The closer I look, the more it seems Blasingame got hosed.

Conclusions:
If you want to make an all-conference team ...

* Excelling in the "other stats" (reb, bs, asts, stls), being a great "team guy",  not important.

* Shoot early and often
and/or
* Be on the best team.



                          FGM FGA FG%  PPG
First Team:   
Lynn Bright           177 362 48.9% 17.4
Korey Lewis          169 308 54.9% 15.9
Lenny Hall             150 397 37.8% 19.4
Adam Nicholson     172 352 48.9% 16.4
Jeremiah Lawrence 163 370 44.1% 17.2
   
Second Team:     
Damien Brown         107 190 56.3% 12.1
Cedric Jones           187 359 52.1% 16.2
Davon Barton           146 308 47.4% 16.5
Donta Selden           144 311 46.3% 15.5
Corey McDaniel         76 194 39.2% 10.1
   
Honorable Mention:     
Jon Godsey             132 270 48.9% 13.0
Mouktar Fawehinmi  144 345 41.7% 16.8
Dragon Radmanovic 102 259 39.4% 11.3
Trey Drake              138 333 41.4% 14.6
Shaun Hagwood        73 192 38.0%   9.0
   
Hosed:     
Mark Blasinggame   112 185 60.5% 10.6

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 25, 2007, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2007, 09:42:43 PM
if anyone had any luck getting the video stream to play, let me know...i'd like to watch the finals, but i couldn't get it to play the stream...it launched quick time and just said "live broadcast" with no sound or video

I tried to watch it in the overtimes and it was a constant flicker, like I was watching a newsreel. A click of static every half-second or so. I had to tune away.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2007, 06:49:54 PM
this is all a continuation on the Blasingame discussion, just didn't want to quote four pages worth of dialog. Two questions:

1)  I thought conference awards are based on conference-only stats. Does anyone know if this is correct? 

2)  Are All-Conference selections made by position? In other words; if the top 5 players were point guards, would they name them the first team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 25, 2007, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 22, 2007, 11:00:26 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2007, 08:49:53 AM
SU97,

I look at it this way...I have a Masters from W&M (so I'm not as dumb as I appear on this board)....if you take my HS transcript, SAT scores, and all the other stuff as if I was coming straight out of high school - I don't get in to CNU this year!
You say that as if your masters from W&M makes you smart!
You're killing me.  All that tells me is that you paid more for your Masters than I did for mine from Oklahoma.  besides, I've met you...  nuff said.

And whoever said Dante' wasn't a big loss to CNU...  you lost some credability on that statement fella!

somebody posted that losing Donte wolsnot have a huge impact...i'm too lazy to scroll back thru pages....not sure who it was...

OU has masters programs? dang...i always knew it was a decent community college...but masters.... ::) :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2007, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 25, 2007, 06:49:54 PM
this is all a continuation on the Blasingame discussion, just didn't want to quote four pages worth of dialog. Two questions:

1)  I thought conference awards are based on conference-only stats. Does anyone know if this is correct? 
not necessarily...i think both overall and conference only numbers are shared for each player, though

Quote from: SU97 on February 25, 2007, 06:49:54 PM2)  Are All-Conference selections made by position? In other words; if the top 5 players were point guards, would they name them the first team?
ac selections are not made by position
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2007, 08:50:35 PM
if the d3hoops projections hold true, averett will have a tough 1st round opponent in catholic...we'll see in a few hours!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 25, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
i hope au is fired up and goes far......not sure they will though....the conference just seems to be weak this year....or maybe just had an off year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2007, 10:48:08 PM
Good to see the VA/NC area represented with some at-large bids:  Va Wesleyan and Guilford.

And a late congrats to AU for winning the conference tourney, best of luck in the NCAA's!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 26, 2007, 09:13:56 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/images/2007/bracketmens2007.jpg

Brackets are posted:  Averett plays Virginia Wesleyan at VWC in the first round.

Also from the ODAC, Guilford plays Manhattanville at Johns Hopkins and Hampden-Sydney plays Hood at VWC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
AU against Virgina Wesleyan. Very winnable AU could make it to the Elite 8.  (I believe the same for CNU women. It depends on which Mary Washington shows up.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:28:42 AM
Guilford got lucky...being sent "out-of-region"!
:)
Good luck!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 26, 2007, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 10:28:42 AM
Guilford got lucky...being sent "out-of-region"!
:)
Good luck!
I agree.  I'll have to do some research on Manhattanville, but I'm not unhappy with this draw and location.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
I think my home state is represented well (MD).  With two AQ and one pool C team.  The reason I bring that up is well Guilford as a chance to play them. Don't know much about who they play first but I think Guilford could find some trouble up there. Nova if you aren't busy head up there.  JHU has a nice campus in one of worst parts of town.  It should be a nice vacation. :)

3 out of 9 d3 schools in MD are represented.  There is some good talent up that way. Not great but good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 26, 2007, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
I think my home state is represented well (MD).  With two AQ and one pool C team.  The reason I bring that up is well Guilford as a chance to play them. Don't know much about who they play first but I think Guilford could find some trouble up there. Nova if you aren't busy head up there.  JHU has a nice campus in one of worst parts of town.  It should be a nice vacation. :)

3 out of 9 d3 schools in MD are represented.  There is some good talent up that way. Not great but good.
Yep, Hood, Villa Julie and JHU are all Maryland-based schools.   I know GC has played Villa Julie in men's basketball before, but Manhattanville is Guilford's opponent on Friday.  The Valiants are from Purchase, NY, right outside NYC.  Actually, I've been to Baltimore a couple of times and I've also been on the Johns Hopkins campus.  Since I work full-time, I guess I'll be "busy" on Friday, so I'll have to settle for an internet broadcast (at least I hope it'll be broadcast!).   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 12:43:19 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 26, 2007, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
I think my home state is represented well (MD).  With two AQ and one pool C team.  The reason I bring that up is well Guilford as a chance to play them. Don't know much about who they play first but I think Guilford could find some trouble up there. Nova if you aren't busy head up there.  JHU has a nice campus in one of worst parts of town.  It should be a nice vacation. :)

3 out of 9 d3 schools in MD are represented.  There is some good talent up that way. Not great but good.
Yep, Hood, Villa Julie and JHU are all Maryland-based schools.   I know GC has played Villa Julie in men's basketball before, but Manhattanville is Guilford's opponent on Friday.  The Valiants are from Purchase, NY, right outside NYC.  Actually, I've been to Baltimore a couple of times and I've also been on the Johns Hopkins campus.  Since I work full-time, I guess I'll be "busy" on Friday, so I'll have to settle for an internet broadcast (at least I hope it'll be broadcast!).   
Speaking of Hood.  Hood to be where they are now is incredible.  I know I  in Fall of 04' was the first year of admitting men to Hood.  I know the coaches up there are using that as a recruiting tool.  Its still 71% women at the school.  Hey If I were a coach.  I would tell them there are plenty of young ladies here.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2007, 02:51:37 PM
although it would be nice to see AU take to VWC, I don't think it'll happen. VWC will be at home, they will be mad about the ODAC tourney and they want revenge for the loss earlier in the year. They will come out fired up and I predict a blowout......

I hope I'm wrong...but that's how I see it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 26, 2007, 02:51:37 PM
although it would be nice to see AU take to VWC, I don't think it'll happen. VWC will be at home, they will be mad about the ODAC tourney and they want revenge for the loss earlier in the year. They will come out fired up and I predict a blowout......

I hope I'm wrong...but that's how I see it.

It would be nice, but it will really screw up my bracket on d3hoops if they won.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 05:42:34 PM
Ok so I have talked that the USASouth Tournament should be held at neutral site. I believe neutal site should be in about an average a 94.3 Mile radius of all the schools. Here is why.

I used the Reilly's Law of Retail Gravitation which means roughly means comparing two cities using the cities population and and distance in miles to determine the one distance (Break point) in which that city would be willing to travel in order to shop. In this case I applied it to the break point in which the population would be willing to travel to see a conference tournament game.

Example: The city of Ferrum has a population of 1514 and Newport News has a population of 181000.  Based on the formula Ferrum residents would be willing to travel 24 miles after that they tend to stay in their area.  If it were reverse and Newport News was traveling to Ferrum; Newport News residents would be willing to travel 269 miles.  (Again this is based on the population of the city because there are more residents they are willing to travel further.)

So how did I get the 94.3 miles. I took oneschool and applied the formula and then took the avg break point for each school within that school. Then took the average of every school and got my number.

If it can't be at a neutral site than it must be at Averett, because the average distance off all the schools to Averett is 141.3 miles the closest to that radius.

Oh, here is the formula:
Dab=(d)/(1+(SQRT(Pb/Pa)

Dab is the breaking point from city A measured in miles along the road to city b

d is the distance in miles (highway) from a to b

SQRT=Square Root

Pa and Pb is population of city A and B respectively
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 26, 2007, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 05:42:34 PM
Ok so I have talked that the USASouth Tournament should be held at neutral site. I believe neutal site should be in about an average a 94.3 Mile radius of all the schools. Here is why.

I used the Reilly's Law of Retail Gravitation which means roughly means comparing two cities using the cities population and and distance in miles to determine the one distance (Break point) in which that city would be willing to travel in order to shop. In this case I applied it to the break point in which the population would be willing to travel to see a conference tournament game.

Example: The city of Ferr um has a population of 1514 and Newport News has a population of 181000.  Based on the formula Ferrum residents would be willing to travel 24 miles after that they tend to stay in their area.  If it were reverse and Newport News was traveling to Ferrum; Newport News residents would be willing to travel 269 miles.  (Again this is based on the population of the city because there are more residents they are willing to travel further.)

So how did I get the 94.3 miles. I took oneschool and applied the formula and then took the avg break point for each school within that school. Then took the average of every school and got my number.

If it can't be at a neutral site than it must be at Averett, because the average distance off all the schools to Averett is 141.3 miles the closest to that radius.

Oh, here is the formula:
Dab=(d)/(1+(SQRT(Pb/Pa)

Dab is the breaking point from city A measured in miles along the road to city b

d is the distance in miles (highway) from a to b

SQRT=Square Root

Pa and Pb is population of city A and B respectively


If you triangulate the coefficient of travel vs. all conference teams and multiply that by the rate it takes to travel from Winchester VA to Fayetteville NC on the Eisinhower National Interstate System, then subtract the gross distance to Ferrum (Go to the end of the world, then make a left) to all destinations except Rocky Mount NC.  Divide that number by the total number of population on the Peninsula (not including the southside - because that's VWC country) and then, using a ruler, draw a straight line dividing the whole of the two states, you will find that the neutral tournament site needs to be held in...

Emporia, Va. 

or...  PSBBG can pony up $15,000 to rent out Scope in Norfolk for three days to host the tournament.

I'm just messing with you PSBBG.  In all fairness, there is no way the conference is going to spend the $ for a nuetral site (civic center type facility) for one sport. Financially it doesn't make any sense, plus what about all the other fall sports that have conference tournaments? 

Rotate it around so everyone can host and call it a day.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 26, 2007, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 05:42:34 PM
Ok so I have talked that the USASouth Tournament should be held at neutral site. I believe neutal site should be in about an average a 94.3 Mile radius of all the schools. Here is why.

I used the Reilly's Law of Retail Gravitation which means roughly means comparing two cities using the cities population and and distance in miles to determine the one distance (Break point) in which that city would be willing to travel in order to shop. In this case I applied it to the break point in which the population would be willing to travel to see a conference tournament game.

Example: The city of Ferr um has a population of 1514 and Newport News has a population of 181000.  Based on the formula Ferrum residents would be willing to travel 24 miles after that they tend to stay in their area.  If it were reverse and Newport News was traveling to Ferrum; Newport News residents would be willing to travel 269 miles.  (Again this is based on the population of the city because there are more residents they are willing to travel further.)

So how did I get the 94.3 miles. I took oneschool and applied the formula and then took the avg break point for each school within that school. Then took the average of every school and got my number.

If it can't be at a neutral site than it must be at Averett, because the average distance off all the schools to Averett is 141.3 miles the closest to that radius.

Oh, here is the formula:
Dab=(d)/(1+(SQRT(Pb/Pa)

Dab is the breaking point from city A measured in miles along the road to city b

d is the distance in miles (highway) from a to b

SQRT=Square Root

Pa and Pb is population of city A and B respectively


If you triangulate the coefficient of travel vs. all conference teams and multiply that by the rate it takes to travel from Winchester VA to Fayetteville NC on the Eisinhower National Interstate System, then subtract the gross distance to Ferrum (Go to the end of the world, then make a left) to all destinations except Rocky Mount NC.  Divide that number by the total number of population on the Peninsula (not including the southside - because that's VWC country) and then, using a ruler, draw a straight line dividing the whole of the two states, you will find that the neutral tournament site needs to be held in...

Emporia, Va. 

or...  PSBBG can pony up $15,000 to rent out Scope in Norfolk for three days to host the tournament.

I'm just messing with you PSBBG.  In all fairness, there is no way the conference is going to spend the $ for a nuetral site (civic center type facility) for one sport. Financially it doesn't make any sense, plus what about all the other fall sports that have conference tournaments? 

Rotate it around so everyone can host and call it a day.

I don't think Ferrum is in a great location to host though.  As much as I want it to be at a neutral site I understand the cost.  The point I brought up is the average travel distance to CNU is the second highest behind SU.  I think having every team travel so far the USASouth should reimburse the schools. I think AU should be the host it is the cheapest for all the teams to travel.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2007, 10:18:36 PM
who needs Howard Cosell with you guys around? i'm going to go triangulate the coefficient of the minimus numerical ambulatory steps out to the refrigerater in my garage which holds cold brew!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 26, 2007, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 26, 2007, 06:57:30 PMIf you triangulate the coefficient of travel vs. all conference teams and multiply that by the rate it takes to travel from Winchester VA to Fayetteville NC on the Eisinhower National Interstate System, then subtract the gross distance to Ferrum (Go to the end of the world, then make a left) to all destinations except Rocky Mount NC.  Divide that number by the total number of population on the Peninsula (not including the southside - because that's VWC country) and then, using a ruler, draw a straight line dividing the whole of the two states, you will find that the neutral tournament site needs to be held in...

Emporia, Va. 

this is one of the funniest things i've EVER read on this board (or any other, for that matter)...i especially like the bolded line...brilliant!

and by the way...no amount of usasac subsidy is going to convince me to go anywhere near emporia, va :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: rebeltiger on February 26, 2007, 10:53:58 PM
Funny reading about the neutral site thing....you should be a politician!

Seriously though, if it can be done, playing at a neutral site is a big positive.  The ODAC plays the tourney at the Salem Civic Center and it gives all the teams a bit of extra excitement...a chance to play in a bigger venue not on someone's campus....adds a bit to the overall experience.

That being said, I don't know what would be a good central venue for the USAC (other than Emporia  ;D) with a usable facility.  Maybe something like the Vines Center in Lynchburg or the Ashe or Siegel Center in Richmond? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 11:27:51 PM
I don't know if any of you are making fun of what I said.  It wasn't really used to set a location for the schools, but more or less the students fans and faculty.  I watched Greensboro play up at CNU.  I couldn't believe how empty the area was NOBODY CAN TRAVEL 4hrs for games everyday.  If the USASouth wants to put the tournament ever in a neutral site,  they need to put the tournament where fans/students would be willing to travel, where they will actually make money off the games.  Build enough capital and put it elsewhere.  USASouth look at this post, make some money be the business that you are. HAVING IT AT CNU WILL NOT MAKE YOU MONEY. JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BEST FACILITY DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY SHOW UP. (I think having closer for everyone else will allow Sports Boosters at all schools to show up at more games and will be willing to donate more if they can see the tournament every year.)

I don't know if there is any business people on this board but having every team travel over 200 miles costs the schools money.  Every coach should stand up and say no.  People complain USASouth doesn't schedule good teams as it is, well if you have to budget for the Conference tournament no wonder. The cost savings over the long run will allow for longer further trips.  Most schools in this conference I know don't have huge budgets as it is. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2007, 08:18:02 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 11:27:51 PMMost schools in this conference I know don't have huge budgets as it is. 
do you really think the conference has much of a budget? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 27, 2007, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: narch on February 27, 2007, 08:18:02 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 26, 2007, 11:27:51 PMMost schools in this conference I know don't have huge budgets as it is. 
do you really think the conference has much of a budget? 

No not at all.  But if they are going to make any money they need to put it at AU more people can show up.  Its a closer location for all the schools (Well 5 out 7 vs 1 out of 7.  They can start making some money then.

From what I understand.  They paid for the video streaming.  Where most other places would charge to watch online.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2007, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 27, 2007, 10:55:09 AMBut if they are going to make any money they need to put it at AU more people can show up.  Its a closer location for all the schools (Well 5 out 7 vs 1 out of 7.  They can start making some money then.
sorry...i thought you were still advocating a neutral site, which i don't think will happen any time soon because it's simply not cost effective - i agree that au is the most central school with a worthwhile facility, but given the attendance figures, i'm not sure the tournament is EVER going to be a money maker for the conference...let's go back to the rotation


Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 27, 2007, 10:55:09 AMFrom what I understand.  They paid for the video streaming.  Where most other places would charge to watch online.
and based on what i saw, it's a good thing they didn't charge...if i had plopped down even a dollar for what i got (which is basically nothing), i'd be demanding a refund right now...i know pat c said he had issues with the stream...did anyone else even try it?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2007, 02:08:49 PM
I would much rather go to Averett or Methodist to watch the tourny then Greensboro. I hope you wouldnt advocate that place to host it every year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2007, 02:35:40 PM
d3hoops.com has an rpi calculation (http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/mensrpi07.htm), and i compiled the usasac teams from this list...not sure i agree with the rankings, but i like the premise of using opponent winning % and opponents-opponents winning %

RANKREG RANKTEAMREGION W%OPP W%O-OW%RPI
51 6AU0.818 (18-4)0.4910.50.575
12314GC0.739 (17-6)0.4340.5120.53
18222MU0.421 (8-11)0.5520.4880.503
21925NCWC0.350 (7-13)0.5560.4880.488
22427CNU0.500 (10-10)0.4680.5120.487
24330FC0.474 (9-10)0.4640.5050.477
29238SU0.250 (5-15)0.5330.4960.453

rank is the overall national rank, reg rank is within the south region
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 27, 2007, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2007, 02:08:49 PM
I would much rather go to Averett or Methodist to watch the tourny then Greensboro. I hope you wouldnt advocate that place to host it every year.

I see the benefits of rotating. As some would say you would be spreading the cost. Yet I see AU hosting the site because on average it would be the cheapest for all the schools in terms of travel.  There is plenty of centralized parking as well.  Considering the facilities of the more centralized AU they are decent.

According to Mapquest this is the average travel distance to given school from the other schools.

AU 141.33 mi
GC 142.33 mi
NCWC 165.833 mi
FC 170.5 mi
MU 181.5 mi
CNU 227.5 mi
SU 260 mi

Which is why given the location of AU. I think its a good fit for the conference tournament.

I thought having the video stream was a good idea.  Except it didn't help the attendance figures.  AU is the most centralized location it will get people to the games.  I think even you Narch would be willing to travel the 143 mi to AU for a game.  I think the student bodies would too.
Quote from: narch on February 27, 2007, 02:35:40 PM
d3hoops.com has an rpi calculation (http://www.d3hoops.com/scoreboard/mensrpi07.htm), and i compiled the usasac teams from this list...not sure i agree with the rankings, but i like the premise of using opponent winning % and opponents-opponents winning %

RANKREG RANKTEAMREGION W%OPP W%O-OW%RPI
51 6AU0.818 (18-4)0.4910.50.575
12314GC0.739 (17-6)0.4340.5120.53
18222MU0.421 (8-11)0.5520.4880.503
21925NCWC0.350 (7-13)0.5560.4880.488
22427CNU0.500 (10-10)0.4680.5120.487
24330FC0.474 (9-10)0.4640.5050.477
29238SU0.250 (5-15)0.5330.4960.453

rank is the overall national rank, reg rank is within the south region
I don't agree with the rankings either.  I think there is something missing from them still. Any idea on how it can be improved?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 28, 2007, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2007, 02:08:49 PM
I would much rather go to Averett or Methodist to watch the tourny then Greensboro. I hope you wouldnt advocate that place to host it every year.

than


I beat you Narch!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: narch on January 02, 2007, 02:07:56 PM
it looks like the usasac will take the season series with the odac, regardless of the outcome of the au/gcq game tonight and the mu/vwc game on wednesday (although i'm looking forward to both of these games) - i think these are the only games left to be played between the conferences, and the usasac currently holds an 11-7 lead (unofficially) - averett leads the way with a 4-0 record vs. the odac, but ncwc and ferrum are the only teams that currently have a losing record vs. the odac (the monarchs would finish 1-2 if they lose to vwc)

these next few days should tell us a lot about the usasac (and maybe even the odac) - are guilford and averett as good as their unblemished records would indicate, and which team is better?  are the monarchs a legit contender in the usasac?  has vwc rebounded from a less-than-stellar weekend and righted the ship? is greensboro legit, with a 9-1 start, and can they upend a m'ville team that is an ncaa tournament mainstay?...we'll know more within the next 36 hours, or so....

We finished 11-9
3-8 against the 3 ODAC Tournament teams
8-1 against the rest of the ODAC
Ouch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2007, 08:31:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 28, 2007, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2007, 02:08:49 PM
I would much rather go to Averett or Methodist to watch the tourny then Greensboro. I hope you wouldnt advocate that place to host it every year.

than


I beat you Narch!!
you didn't beat me to it...i just hold public school graduates to a lower standard :) (before every cnu fan gets bent out of shape...it's a JOKE)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2007, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 12:14:18 PM
We finished 11-9
3-8 against the 3 ODAC Tournament teams
8-1 against the rest of the ODAC
Ouch.

or you can look at it this way...the top 3 usasac teams finished 6-3 against the odac...not bad considering only one of our teams is in the tourney
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 28, 2007, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: narch on February 28, 2007, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 12:14:18 PM
We finished 11-9
3-8 against the 3 ODAC Tournament teams
8-1 against the rest of the ODAC
Ouch.

or you can look at it this way...the top 3 usasac teams finished 6-3 against the odac...not bad considering only one of our teams is in the tourney

or...  you could say that the last place team in the USASAC knocked off the ODAC Tournament Champion!   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 08:41:26 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 28, 2007, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: narch on February 28, 2007, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 12:14:18 PM
We finished 11-9
3-8 against the 3 ODAC Tournament teams
8-1 against the rest of the ODAC
Ouch.

or you can look at it this way...the top 3 usasac teams finished 6-3 against the odac...not bad considering only one of our teams is in the tourney

or...  you could say that the last place team in the USASAC knocked off the ODAC Tournament Champion!  

Now I like that.  Obviously ODAC is far more superior then the USASouth ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 28, 2007, 08:43:28 PM
wow, things are quiet here when only one conf. team goes on to the NCAA's...  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on February 28, 2007, 08:49:45 PM
IN GENERAL TERMS:

I would say the ODAC top 2 is better then our entire conference.  The middle of the ODAC is better then the bottom of our conference. As for the middle to bottom of the ODAC,  our entire conference is better.

Which conference is better?  I wish we had the ODAC-USASouth challenge.  Wonder how our seniors match up over there for the All-Star Game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2007, 09:00:29 PM
at the risk of sounding like a really powerful tool...the word is THAN...please learn the difference between then and than

i think averett has a very real chance of beating vwc...am i smoking fissure?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 28, 2007, 09:41:54 PM
The question might really be how healthy are the AU's?  Although they made a huge run at the end of the season to take home the silverware - are they still able to compete at the level they were at in the early going? 

I hope so.  I'm rooting for them to represent the conference well. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 28, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
As someone trained in Statistics, I suggest flipping a coin to decide whether to use "then" or "than".  With this method, there is arguably a 50% chance of being right.  While a 50% success rate may appear grammatically disappointing, it is, however, a vast improvement over what is essentially the 0% accuracy rate now seen!  Just a thought!  :) 

Should be a fun weekend for USASAC and ODAC hoops!  I wish the Cougars weren't playing an ODAC team in the first round, but c'est la vie! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on March 01, 2007, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 28, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
As someone trained in Statistics, I suggest flipping a coin to decide whether to use "then" or "than".  With this method, there is arguably a 50% chance of being right.  While a 50% success rate may appear grammatically disappointing, it is, however, a vast improvement over what is essentially the 0% accuracy rate now seen!  Just a thought!  :) 

I don't think I've ever seen a more insightful and interesting post then that.

Doh! I had it right, than I flipped that dang coin!

Doh! It happened again ...  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:30:39 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Averett there? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2007, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 28, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
As someone trained in Statistics, I suggest flipping a coin to decide whether to use "then" or "than".  With this method, there is arguably a 50% chance of being right.  While a 50% success rate may appear grammatically disappointing, it is, however, a vast improvement over what is essentially the 0% accuracy rate now seen!  Just a thought!  :) 

Should be a fun weekend for USASAC and ODAC hoops!  I wish the Cougars weren't playing an ODAC team in the first round, but c'est la vie! 

If a coin flip doesn't improve the issue, what would you propose than? or should i rephrase that....what than would you propose....or maybe what then would you purpose?

Supposably, we all know what you prolly mean!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2007, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: narch on February 28, 2007, 09:00:29 PM
at the risk of sounding like a really powerful tool...the word is THAN...please learn the difference between then and than

i think averett has a very real chance of beating vwc...am i smoking fissure?

speaking of tools.....where's roundbll??  :-*
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2007, 03:50:15 PM
a few pages back we discussed the issue of academic standards impacting recruiting and competitiveness. Just a side bar to that conversation....a recent article in a local paper discussed that issue with D1 CAA conference. W&M is the only current CAA member not to have gone on to the NCAA....their standards are extremely high and the graduation rate of the hoops team is 95%.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:30:39 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Averett there? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Please? Someone? This was one of the teams that I was the most interested to find out about. :( I totally see Averett vs Va Wes as one of the marquee matches of the weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on March 02, 2007, 06:42:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2007, 03:42:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 28, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
As someone trained in Statistics, I suggest flipping a coin to decide whether to use "then" or "than".  With this method, there is arguably a 50% chance of being right.  While a 50% success rate may appear grammatically disappointing, it is, however, a vast improvement over what is essentially the 0% accuracy rate now seen!  Just a thought!  :) 

Should be a fun weekend for USASAC and ODAC hoops!  I wish the Cougars weren't playing an ODAC team in the first round, but c'est la vie! 

If a coin flip doesn't improve the issue, what would you propose than? or should i rephrase that....what than would you propose....or maybe what then would you purpose?

Supposably, we all know what you prolly mean!
Supposably?
I know you did that on purpose to stir the geeks up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on March 02, 2007, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2007, 03:50:15 PM
a few pages back we discussed the issue of academic standards impacting recruiting and competitiveness. Just a side bar to that conversation....a recent article in a local paper discussed that issue with D1 CAA conference. W&M is the only current CAA member not to have gone on to the NCAA....their standards are extremely high and the graduation rate of the hoops team is 95%.
Blah friggin' blah blah blah...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2007, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:30:39 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Averett there? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Please? Someone? This was one of the teams that I was the most interested to find out about. :( I totally see Averett vs Va Wes as one of the marquee matches of the weekend!
dhf - you know i would help you out, but i don't feel qualified enough to talk about any team other than the monarchs...i thought one of the averett fans might help you out...sorry
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2007, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: roundbll on March 02, 2007, 06:42:48 PMSupposably?
I know you did that on purpose to stir the geeks up.
i know that you're referring to me when you use the word geek, and frankly, i don't appreciate it - all of your posts have been negative, and mean, and, um...not nice...oh yeah, and not about basketball - i've had it, so here's the deal - i'm gonna let the board decide this one, either:

a - i stay, you leave but continue to post as a guest, su97 begins teaching english at gc and cnu85 changes his handle to narchistheman OR

b - you leave but continue to post under the psuedonym vegascapt and i stay, keeping the name narch but capitalizing the N and cnu85 changes his handle to cnu79 (the year he STARTED at cnc)...su97 still needs to teach english at gc OR

c - i stay, you stay and cnu85 leaves forever (this time) while su97 spends a week in lovely ferrum OR

d - none of the above

board members, our collective fate is in your hands...please vote carefully...this could change the landscape of this board forever

p.s. - notamensa - please come back as a guest to vote on this most important issue
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2007, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 05:30:39 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Could someone here do one for Averett there? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Please? Someone? This was one of the teams that I was the most interested to find out about. :( I totally see Averett vs Va Wes as one of the marquee matches of the weekend!
dhf - you know i would help you out, but i don't feel qualified enough to talk about any team other than the monarchs...i thought one of the averett fans might help you out...sorry
Narch, buddy, seriously. GOSH! :D :P ;) I guess they will just have to remain a mystery. :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2007, 08:46:10 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 08:44:11 PM
Narch, buddy, seriously. GOSH! :D :P ;) I guess they will just have to remain a mystery. :(

ok...i'll give you this tidbit...they (au) shoot the 3 really well and play very good perimeter defense

and they're losing 16-13 right now winning 21-18 30-23 right now (at the half)

odac is 2-0 so far, though...i hope they finish the night 2-1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: tigerphil on March 03, 2007, 01:10:26 AM
AU played a great game tonight and should have beaten VWC, but the crowd was just a little too much to handle as they got back into the game with about 5 minutes to play. Great season AU, and good luck next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 03, 2007, 02:12:15 PM
It seems the season is over for the USASAC this year, at least AU showed well in battling the marlins in Norfolk. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 03, 2007, 02:22:26 PM
Quote from: tigerphil on March 03, 2007, 12:33:31 AM

Now on to the VWC game. First, I have a few complaints to get off my chest about the disrespect shown by the VWC fans to the AU fans at the game. First, they got right in front of their student section and started pointing their signs at them, not something I liked, then a lady in a green semi-formal gown was sitting up in that section. Kudos to the VWC officials at the game table to get them away from the AU side and clear things up. Second, durring the final stretch of the game, the Students started chanting YOU SUCK, to a team that should have beat them on their home court which was very tasteless. Third, the STUDENTS should never have chanted BULL$%&^ at the bad call made by ref (we all know that d3 officiating isn't the greatest, get over it, have some class). I only hope that these STUDENT fans have a little more character tomorrow night when they play HSC (unfortunately, I won't be there to see if they actually are).

Now the game was very interesting and very one-sided in my opinion. AU was the HUNGRIER team tonight, and lost because VWC had the home crowd, which was silent for most of the game, until Adair decided to take VWC on his back down the final stretch with 5 minutes to go (I kept telling the VWC fans sitting near me, if the crowd stays out of it, you will lose). VWC was done 9 late in the second half and came on strong to take the game, first hitting a four point play, and then using some impressive defense to tie to the game.  A couple of late fouls and some clutch shooting by Adair helped give the Marlins the win. If 20 hadn't fallen at the end of the game, and I think it was 43 for AU taking that awful three point shot after picking up the loose ball, AU may have taken the game to OT.

Not sure if I am supposed to do this, but I pulled this quote from the ODAC board by Tigerphil to recap the AU-VWC game.  My question is - if VWC didn't win the ODAC and AU was an AQ - why were they playing at VWC?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 03, 2007, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2007, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: roundbll on March 02, 2007, 06:42:48 PMSupposably?
I know you did that on purpose to stir the geeks up.
i know that you're referring to me when you use the word geek, and frankly, i don't appreciate it - all of your posts have been negative, and mean, and, um...not nice...oh yeah, and not about basketball - i've had it, so here's the deal - i'm gonna let the board decide this one, either:

a - i stay, you leave but continue to post as a guest, su97 begins teaching english at gc and cnu85 changes his handle to narchistheman OR

b - you leave but continue to post under the psuedonym vegascapt and i stay, keeping the name narch but capitalizing the N and cnu85 changes his handle to cnu79 (the year he STARTED at cnc)...su97 still needs to teach english at gc OR

c - i stay, you stay and cnu85 leaves forever (this time) while su97 spends a week in lovely ferrum OR

d - none of the above

board members, our collective fate is in your hands...please vote carefully...this could change the landscape of this board forever

p.s. - notamensa - please come back as a guest to vote on this most important issue

HA HA!
   

That's great!  I'm going to go with option B.

But I'm still not sure why I'm teaching English - I figured I would be needed to teach advanced Calculus... 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 02:50:09 PM
A vote for A from me, cause the last condition in that clause is totally true and I don't know anything else about anything going on ;)

You can't post as a guest, incidentally... he would have to make his handle "guest" which would be way funny! :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on March 03, 2007, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: diehardfan on March 03, 2007, 02:50:09 PM
A vote for A from me, cause the last condition in that clause is totally true and I don't know anything else about anything going on ;)

You can't post as a guest, incidentally... he would have to make his handle "guest" which would be way funny! :D

"The username you tried to use contains the reserved name 'Guest'. Please try another username."
 [/b] Darn... So close.

And Narch...get over yourself.  I may have been talking about you or not, but your thin-skinned rant speaks volumes.

AU...Congrats on a great season, I was rooting hard for you against VWC.

(Oh my gosh, was that positive?)

Stop the voting! I'm out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 03, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: roundbll on March 03, 2007, 08:14:41 PMAnd Narch...get over yourself.  I may have been talking about you or not, but your thin-skinned rant speaks volumes.

roundbll...it was a joke...i thought you were intellectual enough to realize that...

su97 - i had you teaching english because i think i would get too frustrated trying to teach those gc boys...you've got more patience than i'll ever have

dhf...thanks...of course, you're not "theman" and never will be, but you're still my favorite non-usasac poster :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 03, 2007, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2007, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: roundbll on March 02, 2007, 06:42:48 PMSupposably?
I know you did that on purpose to stir the geeks up.
i know that you're referring to me when you use the word geek, and frankly, i don't appreciate it - all of your posts have been negative, and mean, and, um...not nice...oh yeah, and not about basketball - i've had it, so here's the deal - i'm gonna let the board decide this one, either:

a - i stay, you leave but continue to post as a guest, su97 begins teaching english at gc and cnu85 changes his handle to narchistheman OR

b - you leave but continue to post under the psuedonym vegascapt and i stay, keeping the name narch but capitalizing the N and cnu85 changes his handle to cnu79 (the year he STARTED at cnc)...su97 still needs to teach english at gc OR

c - i stay, you stay and cnu85 leaves forever (this time) while su97 spends a week in lovely ferrum OR

d - none of the above

board members, our collective fate is in your hands...please vote carefully...this could change the landscape of this board forever

p.s. - notamensa - please come back as a guest to vote on this most important issue

i started in 80
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 03, 2007, 10:41:01 PM
hmmm.....

happy now narch?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 03, 2007, 10:43:29 PM
don't leave roundbll.....you're like the old Bud commercial...

"I  love you, man"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 03, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
congrats to any au folks out there....i tracked the game on the internet and was pulling for you guys...thought you had it until the very end.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 04, 2007, 07:43:03 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 03, 2007, 10:47:30 PM
congrats to any au folks out there....i tracked the game on the internet and was pulling for you guys...thought you had it until the very end.
i bet that was one heck of a game to watch in person, 'cause it sure was fun to watch via livestats

Quote from: SU97 on March 03, 2007, 02:22:26 PMNot sure if I am supposed to do this, but I pulled this quote from the ODAC board by Tigerphil to recap the AU-VWC game.  My question is - if VWC didn't win the ODAC and AU was an AQ - why were they playing at VWC?
su97 - aq status has nothing to do with hosting...i believe it's primarily about the qowi formula, and i imagine vwc's was higher than au's
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on March 04, 2007, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: narch on March 02, 2007, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: roundbll on March 02, 2007, 06:42:48 PMSupposably?
I know you did that on purpose to stir the geeks up.
i know that you're referring to me when you use the word geek, and frankly, i don't appreciate it - all of your posts have been negative, and mean, and, um...not nice...oh yeah, and not about basketball - i've had it, so here's the deal - i'm gonna let the board decide this one, either:

a - i stay, you leave but continue to post as a guest, su97 begins teaching english at gc and cnu85 changes his handle to narchistheman OR

b - you leave but continue to post under the psuedonym vegascapt and i stay, keeping the name narch but capitalizing the N and cnu85 changes his handle to cnu79 (the year he STARTED at cnc)...su97 still needs to teach english at gc OR

c - i stay, you stay and cnu85 leaves forever (this time) while su97 spends a week in lovely ferrum OR

d - none of the above

board members, our collective fate is in your hands...please vote carefully...this could change the landscape of this board forever

p.s. - notamensa - please come back as a guest to vote on this most important issue
Glad to see you-all are keepin' up the riotous standards to which we've become accostumed on this board.  Thanks for the laughs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 05, 2007, 01:51:22 PM
some interesting things i noted about the first 2 rounds of the tournament

all 4 of the monarchs tournament opponents (catholic, m'ville, gcq and vwc) got a 1st round win, with guilford and vwc still alive and kicking in the sweet 16...congrats to all of those teams, especially gcq and vwc

the two 14 win teams that made the tournament (cga at 14-13 and widener at 14-12) responded well to tournament play - cga lost a 4 point first round game to rhode island college (now 26-3 and playing in the sweet 16) and widener won a first round game

carroll, at 16-8 coming into the tournament, is still playing

the 5 teams that got a 1st round bye went 2-3 over the weekend...why can't the ncaa just make the tournament an even 64 and get rid of the first round byes?  (i know, it's a $$$ issue)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on March 05, 2007, 09:54:14 PM
I hope AU players and fans are proud of their fine season.  VWC is the toughest place to play that I've seen.  They don't give you a chance to get used to that home floor during the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on March 09, 2007, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: narch on March 03, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: roundbll on March 03, 2007, 08:14:41 PMAnd Narch...get over yourself.  I may have been talking about you or not, but your thin-skinned rant speaks volumes.

roundbll...it was a joke...i thought you were intellectual enough to realize that...

su97 - i had you teaching english because i think i would get too frustrated trying to teach those gc boys...you've got more patience than i'll ever have

dhf...thanks...of course, you're not "theman" and never will be, but you're still my favorite non-usasac poster :)
Narch...
I'm still here fella.  Just had to go out of town this week.
I still love you like a brother.

CNU85.... You're still a boob.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 09, 2007, 08:47:05 PM
but i'm  a nice boob!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2007, 10:43:33 PM
vwc survived a first round scare from au and is now absolutely hammering a mississippi college that was 27-2 coming into the game - guilford got by lincoln in triple ot (just one more ot than they needed to beat the monarchs)...the odac has 2 teams in the elite 8...must be nice to be an odac fan today
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on March 10, 2007, 10:35:06 AM
Quote from: narch on March 09, 2007, 10:43:33 PM
vwc survived a first round scare from au and is now absolutely hammering a mississippi college that was 27-2 coming into the game - guilford got by lincoln in triple ot (just one more ot than they needed to beat the monarchs)...the odac has 2 teams in the elite 8...must be nice to be an odac fan today
So let's say that two weeks ago a fella entered into a wager with an office mate that VWC would not repeat as Nat Champs.
Should said fella be nervious?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 10, 2007, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: roundbll on March 10, 2007, 10:35:06 AMSo let's say that two weeks ago a fella entered into a wager with an office mate that VWC would not repeat as Nat Champs.
Should said fella be nervious?

depends on how much said fella wagered...i'm not so sure vwc will get by guilford, though - it's hard to beat a good team 3 times in one season
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 10, 2007, 01:26:08 PM
wow - that Guilford game looks crazy on paper. That would have been a great one to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 10, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
Well, with AU dropping one to VWC in Norfolk, it's the end of the season for the USASAC.  And with that, I'll be signing off until next year.  Here's a few thoughts on the conference:

1.  AU:  Great year, finally shook the CNU curse.  AU showed a lot of heart coming back from the injury plague - again my hat is off to the whole program and you guys represented us all very well in giving VWC a run for their money. Well done.

2. Greensboro:  Although I've been harsh at times the last few weeks on the transfer question, the fact is that GC made a 180 turnaround this year and things are looking even better for you guys next year PSBBG.  I would say that GC is the early favorite to take home the silverware in the 2007-08 campaign.

3. CNU:  Reading CNU85's posts and others it seems that CNU may have missed the window on some great talent coming through and should have won the whole thing this year.  I still think your recent posts of doom and gloom are a bit premature...  I see Blasingame emerging into the domanant force underneath in the league and I wouldn't write Selden off either - CNU85 remeber, those two guys are just sophmores right now. 

4. Methodist:  Nice young group of ballers, I still think you are doing the right thing with the tough scheduling.  Narch, your guys should feel pretty good that you took Guilford to OT.  It is a shame, however, to see the Dragan finish.  How can you not root for the big man who drops the 3ball, even when he's on the opposing team... 

5. Ferrum:  Also young, I think they only graduate one guy this year.  They have to feel good knowing they knocked off Greensboro early. No doubt Cedric Jones can play, but he needs some help around him.

Is the conference tournament going to be held here?  Anybody got directions?

6. NCWC:  I never know know what to think of this squad. They always have talent, hell two years ago there wasn't a more dangerous combo in the conference than Hall and Arrington.  Hall again showed that he can pretty much do what he wants during the conference tournament, but how they ended up in 6th place is beyond me.  They look promising for next year, only losing one starter to graduation and Hall will be a senior.

7.  Old Shenandoah...  When you are 2-22 in conference over the past few years it's hard to start with something positive.  But, we only lose one senior (Moktar averaged 19 pts a game, he'll be missed) and, if Onyie gets a medical redshirt, we could have some nice talent returning. JLawrence and Onyie would make a tough combo down low and Adams will be a Jr. returning at point.  I hope the SU staff can bring in a shooting guard or twelve and give our guys in the paint some room to move. Without an outside presence we are done...  Also would be nice to get a Merriweather slasher small forward in there.  We can also look on the bright side:  Harris did an excellent job of scheduling some small D-I & D-II schools early in the year and played a couple of strong out-of-conference opponents, that experience can only help the young Hornet squad mature.  We even beat the ODAC tourney champ (H-SC) at their place in their holiday tournament (granted both squads had significant injury problems at the time).  Next year should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 10, 2007, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on March 10, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
3. CNU:  Reading CNU85's posts and others it seems that CNU may have missed the window on some great talent coming through and should have won the whole thing this year.  I still think your recent posts of doom and gloom are a bit premature...  I see Blasingame emerging into the domanant force underneath in the league and I wouldn't write Selden off either - CNU85 remeber, those two guys are just sophmores right now. 

I think you meant Davon Barton....Selden will graduate.
Blasingame will be a force.....but unless there is some serious recruiting, he'll be a one man force. Luke Jackson is the only other big man on the team.

I like your other comments - very insightful. One thing though about SU. You mentioned they are 2-22 the past 2 years in conference play....maybe only losing 1 senior is not a good thing!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 10, 2007, 08:54:05 PM
Well VWC defeated Guilford 81-71. Im sure the triple OT game took a lot out of the Quakers, hats off to them and their fans, they had a heckuva season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 11, 2007, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 10, 2007, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on March 10, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
3. CNU:  Reading CNU85's posts and others it seems that CNU may have missed the window on some great talent coming through and should have won the whole thing this year.  I still think your recent posts of doom and gloom are a bit premature...  I see Blasingame emerging into the domanant force underneath in the league and I wouldn't write Selden off either - CNU85 remeber, those two guys are just sophmores right now. 

I think you meant Davon Barton....Selden will graduate.
Blasingame will be a force.....but unless there is some serious recruiting, he'll be a one man force. Luke Jackson is the only other big man on the team.

You're right - I meant Barton. 

Quote from: CNU85 on March 10, 2007, 08:50:04 PM

I like your other comments - very insightful. One thing though about SU. You mentioned they are 2-22 the past 2 years in conference play....maybe only losing 1 senior is not a good thing!! ;D

Losing one senior:  injuries crushed us this year, if Onyie and Stevie Johns make it back in good health we should have a good core group that can compete next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2007, 06:32:32 PM
just for fun......nothing on the tube tonight...... i went scrolling back to the first page of the board that covers about two years...nice stuff.....wish i had my initial 1500 posts to add to my current 500....that would be nice....

anyway...anyone remember the kid looking at some schools on this board...unlimited range?  Mike Dancer...he ended up being close to home Penn-State Altoona.....last year as a Jr he played in 18 games, started none and averaged 7.7 pts per game.......weird thing about it...i was surprised at his lack of games played...he shot 37-72 from three (51%).......injury? can't play d?  who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2007, 06:47:58 PM
Catlin Pruitt....transferred to Brunswick Community College in NC...played 32 games averaging 6.7 pts per game.....the transferred to East Carolina where he did not play basketball......that would be a very interesting story....from his high school accolades to not playing ball in 2 short years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 12, 2007, 07:10:35 PM
just read an interseting comment from newportplayer3 who claimed to be a CNU tennis player......he mentioned that Pruitt's tema that year started 2-0 and Pruitt started both games an d was averaging 17.......the stats I looked at were from the school's web site.....he didn't start a single game while there.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 14, 2007, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 10, 2007, 08:54:05 PMWell VWC defeated Guilford 81-71. Im sure the triple OT game took a lot out of the Quakers, hats off to them and their fans, they had a heckuva season.
Thanks.  It was a great season.  Yeah, I think the 3OT LU game did take its toll, but you have to give credit where credit is due:  the Marlins beat the Quakers all three times this year, so they must be a slightly better club.  It's tough to lose only five times and three of them are to the same team!  Guilford was tied with VWC at the half, 34-34, and then again at 38 all, but ran out of gas for about 5-7 minutes and fell too far behind.  They actually pulled within 77-71, but a late intentional foul and loss of possession created a slightly deceptive 10-point margin.   It's also a big advantage for the Marlins to have played 8 of their last 10 NCAA games on their own floor and it's not like they aren't familiar with Salem either.  It's a big advantage that I think the NCAA must address, but they are undoubtedly a great team wherever they play.  From my point of view, here's hoping they bring back another title to the ODAC and the South region!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on May 03, 2007, 03:13:57 PM
I just heard they are extending the three-point line for the men back a foot beginning in 08-09 to 20-9. And the women's will stay the same. So there will be two lines on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on May 03, 2007, 03:35:46 PM
Assuming its approved at the May 25 meeting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 04, 2007, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on May 03, 2007, 03:13:57 PM
I just heard they are extending the three-point line for the men back a foot beginning in 08-09 to 20-9. And the women's will stay the same. So there will be two lines on the floor.
I wish they would settle on one or another.  Most DIII floors are multi-purpose with intramural courts, varsity basketball for men and women plus volleyball.  In the fast-paced flow of a game, so many lines can be confusing for the players and the referees.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on May 20, 2007, 04:50:49 PM
What does CNU's guard situation look like next year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 21, 2007, 04:53:46 PM
I want to talk about the 3pt line moving out.  I don't have a problem with it, but I have been told at Hanes Gym the court is a little more narrow from sideline to sideline. It was built in the 50's so I am not sure if the size was smaller back then or not. (If someone could dig up if the width has changed to verify that possibility). If it was moved back, I don't think there will be much room for the shooter after the line is moved back.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 21, 2007, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 21, 2007, 04:53:46 PMI want to talk about the 3pt line moving out.  I don't have a problem with it, but I have been told at Hanes Gym the court is a little more narrow from sideline to sideline. It was built in the 50's so I am not sure if the size was smaller back then or not. (If someone could dig up if the width has changed to verify that possibility). If it was moved back, I don't think there will be much room for the shooter after the line is moved back.
I think for years there was a "range" of acceptable court sizes with a minimum width and length that could still be an official game.  In the modern era, I think the college (and NBA) court size is somewhat firmly mandated at 50 feet by 94 feet for all new construction, but there are some older gyms that have courts shorter (probably 84 feet) than the standard size - Hanes is probably one of them.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a HS court is 84 feet and some colleges play on HS courts from time to time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: allsky7 on May 21, 2007, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 21, 2007, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 21, 2007, 04:53:46 PMI want to talk about the 3pt line moving out.  I don't have a problem with it, but I have been told at Hanes Gym the court is a little more narrow from sideline to sideline. It was built in the 50's so I am not sure if the size was smaller back then or not. (If someone could dig up if the width has changed to verify that possibility). If it was moved back, I don't think there will be much room for the shooter after the line is moved back.
I think for years there was a "range" of acceptable court sizes with a minimum width and length that could still be an official game.  In the modern era, I think the college (and NBA) court size is somewhat firmly mandated at 50 feet by 94 feet for all new construction, but there are some older gyms that have courts shorter (probably 84 feet) than the standard size - Hanes is probably one of them.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a HS court is 84 feet and some colleges play on HS courts from time to time.

     Gammon at H-SC is also one of them but it hasn't been used for NCAA play in almost 30 years. Hey Hasa, what about high school compared to college? Isn't a HS court the same width but shorter in length maybe?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: allsky7 on May 21, 2007, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on May 21, 2007, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: hasanova on May 21, 2007, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 21, 2007, 04:53:46 PMI want to talk about the 3pt line moving out.  I don't have a problem with it, but I have been told at Hanes Gym the court is a little more narrow from sideline to sideline. It was built in the 50's so I am not sure if the size was smaller back then or not. (If someone could dig up if the width has changed to verify that possibility). If it was moved back, I don't think there will be much room for the shooter after the line is moved back.
I think for years there was a "range" of acceptable court sizes with a minimum width and length that could still be an official game.  In the modern era, I think the college (and NBA) court size is somewhat firmly mandated at 50 feet by 94 feet for all new construction, but there are some older gyms that have courts shorter (probably 84 feet) than the standard size - Hanes is probably one of them.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a HS court is 84 feet and some colleges play on HS courts from time to time.

     Gammon at H-SC is also one of them but it hasn't been used for NCAA play in almost 30 years. Hey Hasa, what about high school compared to college? Isn't a HS court the same width but shorter in length maybe?

      Oopsie....I missed your comments on that previously.  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 22, 2007, 11:06:28 AM
According to this website college length and high school length are the same.

http://www.betterbasketball.com/basketball-court-dimensions/

84 feet.

Hanes Gym is still in use and I don't see any changes anytime soon.  If they want to move the 3pt line back.  Why not make the court longer?  They are playing on high school length now.  I say make the cour length 88 feet.  I think though that will require a little more work.  Does anyone know what the WNBA court length is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 22, 2007, 03:15:52 PM
That page says 94 feet, not 84 feet, for college, and 94 feet is correct.

If Greensboro's court isn't 50x94 then they can still play regular season games on it but not men's NCAA Tournament games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 22, 2007, 04:33:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 22, 2007, 03:15:52 PM
That page says 94 feet, not 84 feet, for college, and 94 feet is correct.

If Greensboro's court isn't 50x94 then they can still play regular season games on it but not men's NCAA Tournament games.
I've been in Hanes Gym many times and I'm pretty sure the court's shorter than 94 feet.   It may have even been built in the days before Greensboro College admitted men.  Although Guilford has always been coed, their older Alumni Gym was built in 1940 and was used for varsity play until 1980.  It's now usually opened for some practices and intramurals.  In my experience, the Quakers played almost all their home regular season games in Alumni Gym (sometimes they had double-headers with the now defunct Carolina Cougars of the ABA), but never hosted the conference tournament or an NAIA play-off game.  Even when we were the "home" team in the play-offs, those were normally played at Elon, High Point College (now HPU), the Greensboro Coliseum, the old W-S Coliseum or some other bigger venue in the Piedmont.   I'm 99% sure the floor at Alumni Gym is only 84' and I think Hanes is the same.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 22, 2007, 04:45:51 PM
Pat-

I trust your knowledge and agree that a court is 50x94.

That page says the NBA court is 94 feet though.


"Length of a basketball court

94 feet (1128 inches)
Note: Many high school and college courts are 84 feet."

Clicking on the diagram its says
84 feet (HS)
84 feet (College)
94 feet (NBA)

Not once did I find on that page that says the court for college was 94 feet. If it is somewhere that says 94 feet for college as wel.  Please point it out. 

I will trust that the page is wrong/unclear.

Added Note: Every school would need to convert to the 94 feet for those that are not currently 94 feet.  I then would agree to move the 3pt line out. (even though I think it should move out, but not 20-9).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 22, 2007, 05:16:39 PM
"Length of a basketball court

94 feet (1128 inches)
Note: Many high school and college courts are 84 feet."

That doesn't mean ALL are 84 feet, or even that "Better Basketball" is an authoritative source on the subject.

Try the NCAA rule book -- that might be a better judge of NCAA rules.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on May 22, 2007, 08:09:45 PM
I read where it said 94 feet.  Now Mr. Hasanova wrote earlier that probably at tournament time 94 feet was required.  So if a team was able to host a tournament playoff game.  They wouldn't be able to if they didn't have a court of at least 94 feet.  I know hosting sites have a mileage factor but I would think this would have something to do with it too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 22, 2007, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 22, 2007, 03:15:52 PM
If Greensboro's court isn't 50x94 then they can still play regular season games on it but not men's NCAA Tournament games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on June 06, 2007, 09:42:30 PM
No one seems to talk on the women basketball side, but I will ask the question here.  Does anyone know what the basketball looks like for next year for the women's side? Is there going to be two divisions or are we going to pile all the teams together?  Meredith and Mary Baldwin are going to be added this season. (Although I would rather add Salem.)  Salem played fairly well this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on June 07, 2007, 04:33:49 PM
http://www.shenandoah.edu/athletics/master_schedule.cfm?sport=Men's%20Basketball (http://www.shenandoah.edu/athletics/master_schedule.cfm?sport=Men's%20Basketball)

The Shenandoah 07-08 schedule is up!  Look at the D-I's.....interesting
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on June 14, 2007, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on June 07, 2007, 04:33:49 PM
http://www.shenandoah.edu/athletics/master_schedule.cfm?sport=Men's%20Basketball (http://www.shenandoah.edu/athletics/master_schedule.cfm?sport=Men's%20Basketball)

The Shenandoah 07-08 schedule is up!  Look at the D-I's.....interesting

I like the addition of VMI.  They are playing a fast-paced offensive game that at least should be fun to watch. 

Plus, it's got to be better than last year's schedule of D-I's Radford, Longwood, Md. Eastern Shore and D-II Davis & Elkins.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on June 15, 2007, 10:26:09 AM
Hey SU I gotta feeling Shenandoah is gonna surprise a few people next year.  They're not losing anybody significant and..........I heard about a Juco guard that is coming in under the radar.  My sources say great jumpshot and 40 inch vertical. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 21, 2007, 01:49:47 PM
the monarchs are closing in on a pretty nice recruiting class...more details later, but i'm liking what i'm hearing
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on June 25, 2007, 09:56:13 PM
so
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 29, 2007, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on June 25, 2007, 09:56:13 PM
so
good to see you back, pride1fan...i've really missed your insight lately - your ability to succinctly summarize each situation is unrivaled - i wish i had that same gift
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 30, 2007, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: narch on June 29, 2007, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on June 25, 2007, 09:56:13 PM
so
good to see you back, pride1fan...i've really missed your insight lately - your ability to succinctly summarize each situation is unrivaled - i wish i had that same gift

really
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 01, 2007, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on June 30, 2007, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: narch on June 29, 2007, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on June 25, 2007, 09:56:13 PM
so
good to see you back, pride1fan...i've really missed your insight lately - your ability to succinctly summarize each situation is unrivaled - i wish i had that same gift

really
yes
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on July 01, 2007, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on June 15, 2007, 10:26:09 AM
Hey SU I gotta feeling Shenandoah is gonna surprise a few people next year.  They're not losing anybody significant and..........I heard about a Juco guard that is coming in under the radar.  My sources say great jumpshot and 40 inch vertical. :)
if he's got both he'd be D1, so i'll believe it when I see it with my own eyes in a REAL game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 11, 2007, 08:14:52 AM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on June 15, 2007, 10:26:09 AM
Hey SU I gotta feeling Shenandoah is gonna surprise a few people next year.  They're not losing anybody significant and..........I heard about a Juco guard that is coming in under the radar.  My sources say great jumpshot and 40 inch vertical. :)

They don't really need someone with a 40 in vertical leap.  They already have a decent rebounding team, but having a player with a great jumpshot is what SU really needs  :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on July 11, 2007, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 11, 2007, 08:14:52 AM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on June 15, 2007, 10:26:09 AM
Hey SU I gotta feeling Shenandoah is gonna surprise a few people next year.  They're not losing anybody significant and..........I heard about a Juco guard that is coming in under the radar.  My sources say great jumpshot and 40 inch vertical. :)

They don't really need someone with a 40 in vertical leap.  They already have a decent rebounding team, but having a player with a great jumpshot is what SU really needs  :)



BINGO
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on July 11, 2007, 04:14:10 PM
QuoteThey don't really need someone with a 40 in vertical leap.

Umm... that's not exactly a problem.  You can never have too many 40 inch verts ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on July 11, 2007, 11:05:44 PM
Slim:  check back to page 205 for the SU thoughts for next year... (some of it is copied below:


Quote from: SU97 on March 10, 2007, 02:02:56 PM


7.  Old Shenandoah...  When you are 2-22 in conference over the past few years it's hard to start with something positive.  But, we only lose one senior (Moktar averaged 19 pts a game, he'll be missed) and, if Onyie gets a medical redshirt, we could have some nice talent returning. JLawrence and Onyie would make a tough combo down low and Adams will be a Jr. returning at point.  I hope the SU staff can bring in a shooting guard or twelve and give our guys in the paint some room to move. Without an outside presence we are done...  Also would be nice to get a Merriweather slasher small forward in there.  We can also look on the bright side:  Harris did an excellent job of scheduling some small D-I & D-II schools early in the year and played a couple of strong out-of-conference opponents, that experience can only help the young Hornet squad mature.  We even beat the ODAC tourney champ (H-SC) at their place in their holiday tournament (granted both squads had significant injury problems at the time).  Next year should be fun.


While PSBBG, your post on the football board in response to conference tournament site changes goes back to the argument on page 202.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on July 13, 2007, 03:46:18 AM
That's a good observation and I agree.  Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 13, 2007, 10:00:15 PM
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-now-squires-jl12,0,7113535.column?coll=dp-sports-local (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-now-squires-jl12,0,7113535.column?coll=dp-sports-local)

whoa!!! a major addition. this kid can play. from Brookman's old HS. I'm impressed with this announcement. I hope nothing changes between now and when classes start in about 6-8 weeks
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 13, 2007, 10:18:34 PM
'85 - sounds like a nice addition

i will update the monarch recruiting class soon...it's shaping up to be a really nice class - 2 big additions (well really, one BIG addition and one small addition) are finalizing plans...when their plans are final, i'll give you the scoop

let me say this...on paper, this could be a fantastic class...basketball isn't played on paper, though
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 13, 2007, 10:23:27 PM
I know what you mean....on paper CNU looks good for the starters....

Barton, Blasingame, Baker, this new kid......but then what happens when these kids need a blow?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on July 15, 2007, 06:06:07 PM
each other?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 16, 2007, 02:50:49 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on July 15, 2007, 06:06:07 PM
each other?

R-R-R
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 16, 2007, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on July 15, 2007, 06:06:07 PM
each other?
leave it to a guy with "pride" in his handle to go there...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on July 17, 2007, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: narch on July 16, 2007, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on July 15, 2007, 06:06:07 PM
each other?
leave it to a guy with "pride" in his handle to go there...

Whoa wait a second, I have "pride" in my handle and I would never say that.  That is beyond anything I would say, I wouldn't even think about saying something like that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on July 18, 2007, 11:23:40 AM
um......joke
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 19, 2007, 01:25:19 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on July 18, 2007, 11:23:40 AM
um......joke
are you sure?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on July 20, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
 
Congrats to CNU....Men's Basketball Wins Top Shot-Blocking Award For Second Straight Year...be interesting to see if any of there top shot blockers are back next year....rumor has it they may not.   However, will be strong at the 1,2, and 3....hope CJ found a couple of hard nosed rebounders this summer!   Hate to think it could be any worse than last year!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on July 21, 2007, 10:02:41 AM
Riley and Lewis were both seniors...  so that only leaves one person... 

???????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on July 21, 2007, 07:59:02 PM
Quote from: SU97 on July 21, 2007, 10:02:41 AM
Riley and Lewis were both seniors...  so that only leaves one person... 

???????
And I've heard him say nothing about not returning.
Got your essage CNU85--
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on July 21, 2007, 07:59:58 PM
"message" that is...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on July 23, 2007, 06:18:40 PM
Well we'll see who is on the court when the season starts....  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 25, 2007, 06:48:41 PM
too bad Captj isn't around. We need him on the court to "bounce one in"

:D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 26, 2007, 08:46:04 AM
ok - here is some scoop on the monarch class - nobody is an absolute done deal until they report in august, but all of these guys are pretty firm...

the monarchs will add some serious size, and 2 of them come via the transfer route - one is a 6'10" former d1 player who was transplanted to fayetteville after katrina, another is a 6'10" frosh who could be a lot like arthur hatch, but with more offensive polish, the other is a 6'8" d3 transfer from eastern nc (mu recruited him as a hs player, but he went out of state as a frosh) who should add depth this year and is very bright

there is a guard who the monarchs are still chasing...he has given a verbal, but he's probably the biggest ?? as far as enrolling - he's a legit scorer (2nd leading scorer in the state as a senior in hs), but he's smallish...he was a d1 walk-on last year (ended up on the practice squad, so he didn't use any eligibility)...has he realized that the d1 dream won't come true???...i hope so - there are a couple of wings that are very athletic and talented, including one who is from fayetteville and transferring from mount olive...he couldn't crack the lineup at a top 10 d2 school, but he could make an impact for the monarchs - in all, it's a very large class...there will be lots of competition, and the jv squad should have some talent...maybe even enough talent to have guys that actually get in the rotation down the road...competition is a good thing

wow...3 transfers...mu must be turning into gc :)

even though he's not a "recruit", mcbryde will be back (hopefully for the entire year) - he clearly has the talent to be a real force in this conference...will he work hard enough to reach that full potential and keep himself in school???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on July 26, 2007, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: narch on July 26, 2007, 08:46:04 AM
ok - here is some scoop on the monarch class - nobody is an absolute done deal until they report in august, but all of these guys are pretty firm...

the monarchs will add some serious size, and 2 of them come via the transfer route - one is a 6'10" former d1 player who was transplanted to fayetteville after katrina, another is a 6'10" frosh who could be a lot like arthur hatch, but with more offensive polish, the other is a 6'8" d3 transfer from eastern nc (mu recruited him as a hs player, but he went out of state as a frosh) who should add depth this year and is very bright

there is a guard who the monarchs are still chasing...he has given a verbal, but he's probably the biggest ?? as far as enrolling - he's a legit scorer (2nd leading scorer in the state as a senior in hs), but he's smallish...he was a d1 walk-on last year (ended up on the practice squad, so he didn't use any eligibility)...has he realized that the d1 dream won't come true???...i hope so - there are a couple of wings that are very athletic and talented, including one who is from fayetteville and transferring from mount olive...he couldn't crack the lineup at a top 10 d2 school, but he could make an impact for the monarchs - in all, it's a very large class...there will be lots of competition, and the jv squad should have some talent...maybe even enough talent to have guys that actually get in the rotation down the road...competition is a good thing

wow...3 transfers...mu must be turning into gc :)

even though he's not a "recruit", mcbryde will be back (hopefully for the entire year) - he clearly has the talent to be a real force in this conference...will he work hard enough to reach that full potential and keep himself in school???

Excellent info Narch, wish I was that tapped in!  So when Methodist and Shenandoah meet in the conference tourney final...   it will be at Madison Square Garden - right PSBBG ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on July 28, 2007, 03:10:41 PM
Hey SU, you said they need a shooting guard or twelve. What about Steven Johns? I know he was hurt last year but was he not getting it done before?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2007, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: SU97 on July 26, 2007, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: narch on July 26, 2007, 08:46:04 AM
ok - here is some scoop on the monarch class - nobody is an absolute done deal until they report in august, but all of these guys are pretty firm...

the monarchs will add some serious size, and 2 of them come via the transfer route - one is a 6'10" former d1 player who was transplanted to fayetteville after katrina, another is a 6'10" frosh who could be a lot like arthur hatch, but with more offensive polish, the other is a 6'8" d3 transfer from eastern nc (mu recruited him as a hs player, but he went out of state as a frosh) who should add depth this year and is very bright

there is a guard who the monarchs are still chasing...he has given a verbal, but he's probably the biggest ?? as far as enrolling - he's a legit scorer (2nd leading scorer in the state as a senior in hs), but he's smallish...he was a d1 walk-on last year (ended up on the practice squad, so he didn't use any eligibility)...has he realized that the d1 dream won't come true???...i hope so - there are a couple of wings that are very athletic and talented, including one who is from fayetteville and transferring from mount olive...he couldn't crack the lineup at a top 10 d2 school, but he could make an impact for the monarchs - in all, it's a very large class...there will be lots of competition, and the jv squad should have some talent...maybe even enough talent to have guys that actually get in the rotation down the road...competition is a good thing

wow...3 transfers...mu must be turning into gc :)

even though he's not a "recruit", mcbryde will be back (hopefully for the entire year) - he clearly has the talent to be a real force in this conference...will he work hard enough to reach that full potential and keep himself in school???

Excellent info Narch, wish I was that tapped in!  So when Methodist and Shenandoah meet in the conference tourney final...   it will be at Madison Square Garden - right PSBBG ;D

Well a game between Methodist and Shenandoah in Madison Square Garden would be a better game then what the Knicks are thowing around up there.

Besides the Madison Square Garden game is a semi-final game,  the final will be played at the Staples Center.

Narch-
I don't have a problem with transfers, especially if they are coming from a junior college.  I think just about any college athlete wants to go somewhere where the athlete can win. I think that case is true with any freshman enrolling into college.  If a team has been horrible for years, then the school doesn't look as good to the potential freshman athlete.
The school looks much better for the athlete that wants to play, in some cases those are your transfers. I think the only complaint about transfers should arise when the team was already good in the first place.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 01, 2007, 11:02:50 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2007, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: SU97 on July 26, 2007, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: narch on July 26, 2007, 08:46:04 AM
ok - here is some scoop on the monarch class - nobody is an absolute done deal until they report in august, but all of these guys are pretty firm...

the monarchs will add some serious size, and 2 of them come via the transfer route - one is a 6'10" former d1 player who was transplanted to fayetteville after katrina, another is a 6'10" frosh who could be a lot like arthur hatch, but with more offensive polish, the other is a 6'8" d3 transfer from eastern nc (mu recruited him as a hs player, but he went out of state as a frosh) who should add depth this year and is very bright

there is a guard who the monarchs are still chasing...he has given a verbal, but he's probably the biggest ?? as far as enrolling - he's a legit scorer (2nd leading scorer in the state as a senior in hs), but he's smallish...he was a d1 walk-on last year (ended up on the practice squad, so he didn't use any eligibility)...has he realized that the d1 dream won't come true???...i hope so - there are a couple of wings that are very athletic and talented, including one who is from fayetteville and transferring from mount olive...he couldn't crack the lineup at a top 10 d2 school, but he could make an impact for the monarchs - in all, it's a very large class...there will be lots of competition, and the jv squad should have some talent...maybe even enough talent to have guys that actually get in the rotation down the road...competition is a good thing

wow...3 transfers...mu must be turning into gc :)

even though he's not a "recruit", mcbryde will be back (hopefully for the entire year) - he clearly has the talent to be a real force in this conference...will he work hard enough to reach that full potential and keep himself in school???

Excellent info Narch, wish I was that tapped in!  So when Methodist and Shenandoah meet in the conference tourney final...   it will be at Madison Square Garden - right PSBBG ;D

Well a game between Methodist and Shenandoah in Madison Square Garden would be a better game then what the Knicks are thowing around up there.

Besides the Madison Square Garden game is a semi-final game,  the final will be played at the Staples Center.

Narch-
I don't have a problem with transfers, especially if they are coming from a junior college.  I think just about any college athlete wants to go somewhere where the athlete can win. I think that case is true with any freshman enrolling into college.  If a team has been horrible for years, then the school doesn't look as good to the potential freshman athlete.
The school looks much better for the athlete that wants to play, in some cases those are your transfers. I think the only complaint about transfers should arise when the team was already good in the first place.

here's how i "emote" on this issue. if a transfer comes to cnu and is good, then i like it - it is how it is supposed to be. if a good transfer goes to another school, then i tink it's wrong and shouldn't be allowed. sounds dumb, but those are typically my first reactions/feelings when i hear about a good transfer!

at least it's honest
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 02, 2007, 02:53:54 PM
i don't have a problem with a transfer (or two or three if they're at mu :))...it just seems that making transfer students the recruiting FOCUS year-in and year-out is counter to the d3 philosophy...and i DEFINATELY have a problem recruiting a kid who has just one semester of eligibility left (unless he's at mu, of course :))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on August 02, 2007, 09:21:22 PM
so
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 03, 2007, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on August 02, 2007, 09:21:22 PM
so
or is it sew? or sow?

you should really be more precise with your posts...i'm very confused :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on August 03, 2007, 02:35:24 PM
You guys gotta chill with the transfer thing.  As long as the best product is on the court then you should be happy.  So what if Johnny Local gets his spot taken.  Johnny Local should hit the gym harder and compete for his spot.  There are a million reasons why guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 06, 2007, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2007, 01:33:19 PMWell a game between Methodist and Shenandoah in Madison Square Garden would be a better game "then" what the Knicks are "thowing" around up there.

There once was a Pride with great fame
For posting up cagers - what game!
He fakes, then he shoots ...
More "makes" than he boots
But spells fouls at the line - a shame!

Please, Pride, I'm begging you to get these two words (then and than) squared away before you graduate.  :)  Keep posting!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on August 10, 2007, 11:57:49 AM
I saw your boy Dragon at a Internation Scouting combine that  I worked a few weeks ago and there was one other guy there from MU but I cant remember his name. I think Dragon will be a much better player out of college than he was in college
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 17, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
Any 7 footers or Michael Jordan types enroll in USA South schools this fall?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on September 19, 2007, 09:03:04 AM
http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/mbball/schedule.html

Since five USASAC teams are on the slate, I thought some of you might be interested in Guilford's 2007-08 men's basketball schedule.  In addition to the 18 ODAC games, Guilford will play Averett, Greensboro, Methodist, Shenandoah and NC Wesleyan plus Villa Julie and Emory.  The interesting game, however, is a Nov. 5 exhibition date at the University of South Carolina, which is not so much of a surprise if you know USC Head Coach Dave Odom is a Guilford alumnus and former basketball and football player.    What a dilemma for me since I have degrees from both!  Not really - go Quakers! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on September 20, 2007, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: hasanova on September 19, 2007, 09:03:04 AM
http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/mbball/schedule.html

Since five USASAC teams are on the slate, I thought some of you might be interested in Guilford's 2007-08 men's basketball schedule.  In addition to the 18 ODAC games, Guilford will play Averett, Greensboro, Methodist, Shenandoah and NC Wesleyan plus Villa Julie and Emory.  The interesting game, however, is a Nov. 5 exhibition date at the University of South Carolina, which is not so much of a surprise if you know USC Head Coach Dave Odom is a Guilford alumnus and former basketball and football player.    What a dilemma for me since I have degrees from both!  Not really - go Quakers! 

The Greensboro game will be played at Greensboro College this year.  I believe this marks the end of the Colliseum games.

If the attendance was anything like it was last year at the colliseum, there will not be enough room in Hanes Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on September 21, 2007, 10:50:52 AM
Shenandoah University has officially announced it's desire to join the ODAC. Read page 6 of this newsletter for more info http://www.su.edu/pr/publications/sun/Sept19.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on September 21, 2007, 02:50:58 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on September 21, 2007, 10:50:52 AM
Shenandoah University has officially announced it's desire to join the ODAC. Read page 6 of this newsletter for more info http://www.su.edu/pr/publications/sun/Sept19.pdf
you can't be serious...please tell me this is a cruel joke...i mean, we haven't been talking about this for the last week and a half on the football boards :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 01, 2007, 06:43:16 PM
any word from around the conference? I haven't heard a peep about CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 09, 2007, 06:29:05 PM
Finally...  some hoops news out of SU.  Congrats to both men:

http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1761 (http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1761)

Just hope the coaches brought in some shooting guards.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on October 13, 2007, 08:22:18 PM
QuoteJust hope the coaches brought in some shooting guards.

Next semester  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 14, 2007, 12:22:53 PM
Copied this thread from the Football Board...

Quote from: hasanova on October 11, 2007, 09:22:21 AM
Quote from: SU97 on October 10, 2007, 10:56:08 PM
Of course, for you to knock us off, we would need to knock you off. ???  or something.

Hasa - can I get another round of those Coronas over here? 

Sure.  :)  Hey, the Quakers visit SU this winter for hoops - you need to check out Ben Strong if you've never seen him play.   

Strong is a monster, VERY aware of that guy.  All-American. 

I like what SU is doing with their out of conference schedule. Playing a NAIA team (Houston Baptist University) that is transitioning to NCAA D-I this year.  Heading up to Shippensburg in Pa. - a D-II school.  Taking another trip to UMD-Eastern Shore for a preseason scrimmage and hosting a strong (sorry Hasa, couldn't resist) Guilford - who was ranked as high as #7 in the nation last year. 


   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 14, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
Heard that CNU has a ton of new faces. Freshmen and transfers. Also, coach spent part of his summer at Phoenix Suns summer camp learning their offense. He said he is trying to understand it better so that he can coach it. Not sure what all that means.

First game of season is against Va. Weslyan......yuck!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on October 14, 2007, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 14, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
Heard that CNU has a ton of new faces. Freshmen and transfers. Also, coach spent part of his summer at Phoenix Suns summer camp learning their offense. He said he is trying to understand it better so that he can coach it. Not sure what all that means.

First game of season is against Va. Weslyan......yuck!!

I think it means the team will run their sneakers off.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 15, 2007, 10:03:29 AM
Quote from: sludge on October 14, 2007, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 14, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
Heard that CNU has a ton of new faces. Freshmen and transfers. Also, coach spent part of his summer at Phoenix Suns summer camp learning their offense. He said he is trying to understand it better so that he can coach it. Not sure what all that means.

First game of season is against Va. Weslyan......yuck!!

I think it means the team will run their sneakers off.

Not sure if that's a good thing or not. I wonder how it will translate to the talent put on the floor. I can see one 6'8" blocking machine getting real tired of running up and down the court! MAybe he'll just stand under the basket and block shots.  :D :D

One thing for sure...it has piqued my interest.....looking forward to seeing how it shakes out. should be entertaining.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on October 15, 2007, 12:54:02 PM
Yea, I read the article to—Phoenix style offense.  It'll be interesting to see how they use the big guy at CNU—he's patiently deferred to the upperclassman.  Over the last three games last year he averaged 18 pts/10.1 rebs/3.6 blks per game, has a 60+% career shooting average—plus only 1.3 turnovers per game for the entire season-not to shabby.  Could become a little frustrating working for rebounds and blocked shots while your mates are heaving up treys!  Plus rebounding will be important—not exactly a CNU strength of late....and ball handling....and a deep bench.  I guess it could potentially open up the middle—gotta make'm for that to happen though.   But hey--agree--it should certainly be entertaining! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 15, 2007, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: cnufella1 on October 15, 2007, 12:54:02 PM
Plus rebounding will be important—not exactly a CNU strength of late....and ball handling....and a deep bench

what is rebounding? Is that when you or a team mate takes a shot and you run behind the 3 pt line? If so, then we do it very well!!!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on October 15, 2007, 10:22:16 PM
cnu85 I see you attend CNU basketball game also!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 15, 2007, 11:17:32 PM
I've been known to have season tickets for a few years!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 15, 2007, 11:18:23 PM
I love this time of year.....when you can talk football and basketball!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 17, 2007, 10:42:41 PM
Here's the preseason poll

1. Averett (3) 33
2. Greensboro (2) 29
3. N.C. Wesleyan (2) 28
4. CNU   24
5. Methodist   14
6. Shenandoah   10
7. Ferrum   9


Thoughts?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 17, 2007, 10:44:36 PM
Top 4 teams separated by only 9 pts. It's close.

As far as CNU is concerned.....many new players, new system......truly too difficult to make any predictions now!

I'm interested in other fans opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on October 18, 2007, 07:26:22 AM
A conference that has Methodist as #5 sounds pretty strong to me.  At least, they looked pretty good last year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 18, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: sludge on October 18, 2007, 07:26:22 AM
A conference that has Methodist as #5 sounds pretty strong to me.  At least, they looked pretty good last year.
the monarchs will be better this year, too...i don't think they'll finish 5th, but i could be wrong...it's happened once or twice :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on October 18, 2007, 02:18:37 PM
I think the top three, based on returnees, are pretty solid choices.  The bottom four who knows....if CNU finishes 4th I'd say we had a pretty successful season. Probably to many unknowns at CNU to make a somewhat objective prediction, but last year we had one newcomer who made an impact -- Theo Baker -- not sure we have that same quality of player coming in this year.   The team was not deep last year -- Barton and Blasingame logged 30+ minutes and probably more in close games.  Look for those two along with Baker to be up there in minutes again this year.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 19, 2007, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: sludge on October 18, 2007, 07:26:22 AM
A conference that has Methodist as #5 sounds pretty strong to me.  At least, they looked pretty good last year.
sludge, the Quakers play a lot of USASAC teams this year.  I believe we have Averett, Methodist, Greensboro, Shenandoah and NC Wesleyan!  We swept the four USASAC teams we faced last year, but it wasn't easy!  Averett was close to the end and Greensboro and Methodist were both OT games.  The other was Shenandoah.  I can't remember the last time we played NCWC in men's basketball.  I'm sure we have, but I certainly don't remember it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Old Ref on October 20, 2007, 08:02:49 AM
NCWC schedule up and running. Includes Elon and East Carolina University.

http://annex.ncwc.edu/Athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/schedule.htm[/url]
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 20, 2007, 10:22:56 AM
Interesting schedule for NCW. In addition to Elon and ECU, you guys get to play Kazahkstan Nat'l team. I also see you play Maine - Presque Isle. Wear your sunglasses. They don't get much sun up in that part of Maine and they are blinding when they come out in shorts and hoops jerseys! :D :D

And - you play Randolph College. Wow...they put together a team already!! I'll have to go check them out on the web.

How many hoops games do you make? ever make a road trip?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Old Ref on October 20, 2007, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 20, 2007, 10:22:56 AM
Interesting schedule for NCW. In addition to Elon and ECU, you guys get to play Kazahkstan Nat'l team. I also see you play Maine - Presque Isle. Wear your sunglasses. They don't get much sun up in that part of Maine and they are blinding when they come out in shorts and hoops jerseys! :D :D

And - you play Randolph College. Wow...they put together a team already!! I'll have to go check them out on the web.

How many hoops games do you make? ever make a road trip?


Funny, 85, think I'll have a Bud on that one. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 21, 2007, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: Old Ref on October 20, 2007, 05:12:47 PM


Funny, 85, think I'll have a Bud on that one. 8)

TRUE!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 24, 2007, 01:15:30 PM
the monarch roster (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/200708roster.htm) is up...lots more size and depth for mu this season - should be fun
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on October 24, 2007, 01:31:21 PM
Narch - tell us more about that kid Marcus Connor, a 6'10" tree from Charlotte Christian. He's only 180 which means he's really skinny. Is he going to play right away or does he need a year or two to develop?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 24, 2007, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 17, 2007, 10:42:41 PM
Here's the preseason poll

1. Averett (3) 33
2. Greensboro (2) 29
3. N.C. Wesleyan (2) 28
4. CNU   24
5. Methodist   14
6. Shenandoah   10
7. Ferrum   9


Thoughts?



I heard that last year's POTY is no longer at GC.  Anybody know if that is true?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on October 24, 2007, 06:25:17 PM
true
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 24, 2007, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on October 24, 2007, 01:31:21 PM
Narch - tell us more about that kid Marcus Connor, a 6'10" tree from Charlotte Christian. He's only 180 which means he's really skinny. Is he going to play right away or does he need a year or two to develop?
bright kid, good high school with a solid hoops program and a kid who will need to develop some (aren't all 6'10" d3 guys projects?)...he'll probably play a good bit this year, though - i hear he's a great shot blocker and a good athlete, something that the monarchs haven't had since arthur hatch graduated a few years ago - my early scouting report says he's a lot like art...maybe a bit more polished at this stage (in arthur's first collegiate game he got a technical for dunking in warmups...he had no idea it wasn't allowed...and failed to report to the scorers table when he was subbed in for the first time...he was the definition of unpolished when he arrived at methodist) - if he can give the monarchs solid minutes off the bench, affect shots, rebound a little and get a few put backs every game, i think he'll help the monarchs right away and down the road he might be an impact type player...who knows
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on October 25, 2007, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: cnufella1 on October 18, 2007, 02:18:37 PM
I think the top three, based on returnees, are pretty solid choices.  The bottom four who knows....if CNU finishes 4th I'd say we had a pretty successful season. Probably to many unknowns at CNU to make a somewhat objective prediction, but last year we had one newcomer who made an impact -- Theo Baker -- not sure we have that same quality of player coming in this year.   The team was not deep last year -- Barton and Blasingame logged 30+ minutes and probably more in close games.  Look for those two along with Baker to be up there in minutes again this year.     

Wasn't Baker a Sr last year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on October 25, 2007, 03:50:03 PM
round, Baker was a freshman last year -- thank goodness -- we'll need solid play from Theo to compete at a high level in the conference.  Still looking for CNU's roster to be posted, but as someone mentioned earlier, it sounds like a lot of new faces. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on October 26, 2007, 02:56:37 PM
CNU's roster is posted at the link below.   Five returnees, three who logged significant time. 


http://dailypress2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13898
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 26, 2007, 05:15:20 PM
any word on these guys?  where did they transfer from, etc.?

20 Craig McCargo So. G 5-7 160 South Boston, Va. Halifax Co.
22 Joshua Russell So. G 6-3 190 Suffolk, Va. Lakeland
30 Kenny Reid So. F 6-3 200 Suffolk, Va. Lakeland
33 Thomas Whinnett Jr. F 6-6 220 Liverpool, England Lakenheath
40 Marko Hamlin Jr. C-F 6-7 210 Arlington, Va. Wakefield
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 26, 2007, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: narch on October 26, 2007, 05:15:20 PM
any word on these guys?  where did they transfer from, etc.?

20 Craig McCargo So. G 5-7 160 South Boston, Va. Halifax Co.
22 Joshua Russell So. G 6-3 190 Suffolk, Va. Lakeland
30 Kenny Reid So. F 6-3 200 Suffolk, Va. Lakeland
33 Thomas Whinnett Jr. F 6-6 220 Liverpool, England Lakenheath
40 Marko Hamlin Jr. C-F 6-7 210 Arlington, Va. Wakefield

I think Hamlin played at the College of Southern Md. (JUCO).  Kickerdad over on the football board may know of Russell and Reid.  and...  just as long as the euro import doesn't read:  Steven Gerrard, Liverpool England... 8) 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 26, 2007, 08:51:03 PM
Interesting....I'm gonna do some digging, but probably will not find out anything until the media guide is published.

I'm optimistic. Looks like Blasingame gets some help! I guess I'm optimistic mostly because between all the new faces and the new Phoenix Suns' offense being implemented, things will be different....and I am one old man that likes change!!

Time to go see what google pops up on these guys
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 26, 2007, 09:05:29 PM
HAmlin and Whinnett payed at Southern Maryland......but from what I can find in my brief  inutes search is that they played 1 year there...2005-2006.....


Don't know where they were before or where they were last year!

Maybe I'm just tired and didn't look at it properly. I'll keep looking.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 26, 2007, 09:10:07 PM
Joshua Russell.....graduated with honors in HS.

Transfer from ODU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 26, 2007, 09:25:25 PM
McCargo.....saw news article he was to go to a college in TN (NAIA), b ut I went to their website and don't see him in any roster from 2003-2007.

????
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 26, 2007, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 26, 2007, 09:25:25 PM
McCargo.....saw news article he was to go to a college in TN (NAIA), b ut I went to their website and don't see him in any roster from 2003-2007.

????
i found someone with his name in a vmi box score...not sure if it's the same kid, though...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 27, 2007, 08:53:45 AM
Quote from: narch on October 26, 2007, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 26, 2007, 09:25:25 PM
McCargo.....saw news article he was to go to a college in TN (NAIA), b ut I went to their website and don't see him in any roster from 2003-2007.

????
i found someone with his name in a vmi box score...not sure if it's the same kid, though...

Most likely it is.....how kids with that name live in Virginia (or at least play hoops in Va)?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 28, 2007, 12:20:05 PM
Starting to craft my preseason picks for the USASAC. I figured I'd head over to the NCWC site, seeing that they are now winning everything this fall...  but I did find this article, which I thought was cool:  http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/news/2007-08/spotlights/9sudler.htm  (http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/news/2007-08/spotlights/9sudler.htm) 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 28, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: narch on October 26, 2007, 05:15:20 PM
any word on these guys?  where did they transfer from, etc.?

20 Craig McCargo So. G 5-7 160 South Boston, Va. Halifax Co.
22 Joshua Russell So. G 6-3 190 Suffolk, Va. Lakeland
30 Kenny Reid So. F 6-3 200 Suffolk, Va. Lakeland
33 Thomas Whinnett Jr. F 6-6 220 Liverpool, England Lakenheath
40 Marko Hamlin Jr. C-F 6-7 210 Arlington, Va. Wakefield

picked 4th... D-I transfers. I'm thinking that reports of CNU's demise were greatly exaggerated.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 28, 2007, 08:07:40 PM
SU97,

It's a crap shoot at best. From what I could find with limited search efforts, most of those guys didn't even pay last year. The ODU kid played in 1 game and if I remember correctly, that was 2 years ago. Couple all the new faces with the new offense being introduced, and you have too many unanswered questions at this point. 4th may be a good place to guess in the preseason.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 28, 2007, 09:35:40 PM
sure would be nice if the ncwc roster were available online...averett, too...we're a week away from the season starting...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 28, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
Here is my preseason poll

1. Averett - I guess we'll have to assume that everyone important returned since there is no roster on the website...

2.  Methodist - i think the monarchs might surprise some folks this season and i wouldn't be surprised a bit if they won the title...or they could finish in 6th place :)

3. CNU - this IS cnu...i just don't see them finishing worse than 3rd...ever

4. N.C. Wesleyan - ditto what i said for averett, although i just don't believe in them like the coaches do - this was a talented team last year that finished sub .500 - in fact, they are eternally talented...yet they haven't really been a legit contender since 2002-03

5. Shenandoah - if onyie and johns can stay healthy, this team could push for a title despite finishing in last place last year...the trio of lawrence, onyie and johns are as dangerous as any in the conference - i really like their coaching, too - if onyie and johns can't stay healthy, this team is doomed to a 6th place finish

6. Greensboro - this is a team that is simply replacing too much - they lost 6 players (4 with remaining eligibility) and the poty, who was the most important guy on the roster - nicholson is very good, as is zamuel...those two might be able to carry gc - among the 5 transfers are 2 big men who were formerly d2 players (sharpe and Mavoungou) - they could win it all if they can come together

7. Ferrum - they lost 3 of their top 4 scorers...from a next to last place team

overall, i think this conference is as strong on paper as it has ever been...1-6 should be very good (with good health)...i'm anxious for the season to start - go monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: narch on October 28, 2007, 10:41:27 PM
4. N.C. Wesleyan - ditto what i said for averett, although i just don't believe in them like the coaches do - this was a talented team last year that finished sub .500 - in fact, they are eternally talented...yet they haven't really been a legit contender since 2002-03

WOW Narch - you stole my entire post for NCWC verbatim.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 29, 2007, 08:58:05 PM
Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 07:19:25 PMWOW Narch - you stole my entire post for NCWC verbatim.
you and i have seen a lot of usasac/dixie hoops over the years, my friend, and we've seen a lot of talented ncwc teams under perform...maybe this will be the year they reach their potential, but i'm not holding my breath
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:38:36 PM
Quote from: narch on October 29, 2007, 08:58:05 PM
Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 07:19:25 PMWOW Narch - you stole my entire post for NCWC verbatim.
you and i have seen a lot of usasac/dixie hoops over the years, my friend, and we've seen a lot of talented ncwc teams under perform...maybe this will be the year they reach their potential, but i'm not holding my breath
so true, so true...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
My pre-preseason picks:

1.  Shenandoah:   
Homer pick... check. 
Bias... check.
Last place in 2007... check.
15 beers playing a part in your pick process... priceless.

2.  CNU:   
Blasingame is still the best big man in the conference.  At the end of last year CNU85 indicated that Blasingame may have missed his window of opportunity.  But with 5 transfers, it looks to me like CJ reloaded and is ready to compete.  The backcourt now has a chance to be very good: I really liked Barton last year (lit us up) and if (assuming) the kid from ODU steps in at point... Lewis and Riley will need to be replaced, if any of those big men transfers can play, then I think we see CNU doing what GC pulled off last year.   

3.  Averett: 
Amazing year in 2007.  A great run, overcoming injuries and a lowly loss to SU... I can't quite put my finger on it, but I don't see the regular season championship running through danville. Last year was such an amazing feat that I think it's overshadowing the fact they have so much talent returning... weird. 

4.  Greensboro: 
After last season I tabbed them to take it all this year.  But now after looking at the roster, I'm left wondering.  With #30 not returning (POTY), I just wonder what they have underneath.  They crushed the boards against us...   

5.  Methodist:
Would have been ranked higher, but the Dragan, my favorite player of the decade has now graduated.  This knocked 'em back to 5th.  Seriously, last year's youth and strong schedule could equate to experience and some close wins... maybe more. 

6.  NCWC: 
As Narch said: no roster yet... I think we will know more early in the season, as they have VWC, Guilford and RandyMac on the schedule...  They could easily push for the title... but no new info, so I'll just retype what I typed up for last years' summary: I never know know what to think of this squad. They always have talent, hell two years ago there wasn't a more dangerous combo in the conference than Hall and Arrington.  Hall again showed that he can pretty much do what he wants during the conference tournament, but how they ended up in 6th place is beyond me.  They look promising for next year, only losing one starter to graduation and Hall will be a senior.

7.  Ferrum: 
Beat SU last year, but who didn't.  Only lost one senior.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 30, 2007, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
1.  Shenandoah:   
Homer pick... check. 
Bias... check.
Last place in 2007... check.
15 beers playing a part in your pick process... priceless.


:D :D :D :D :D Priceless!! +1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 30, 2007, 07:32:12 PM
Truth is, I figure why not go all the way and put the hornets at the top. If you are going to root for the home team, you might as well put it out there to win...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 30, 2007, 07:37:53 PM
Thoughts on SU this year:

They are a team in that middle void that probably could be better than their preseason ranking of 6th.  But there are a lot of variables...  JLawrence and OnyieO are solid underneath.  When healthy last year they could compete with most teams we faced.  Time will tell if OnyieO can tough out a full season, but I'm very hopeful for both the hornets big men to have outstanding senior campaigns.  The small forward position is anybody's guess.  Moktar led SU in conference play last year averaging 19 points a game, plus he was always good for 6 boards, so someone will need to step up and fill that void. Not sure who that will be, but I hope it is someone with a little better shot selection from 3pt:  Moktar only hit 15 3balls in 12 games (during conference play). As I mentioned at the end of last year, the guard slots will need to be filled if this team is going to have any chance of making a solid run.  Stevie Johns looks to be back, but he's always been a bit of an enigma.  He was a very solid contributer off the bench in his freshman year and I always thought he showed a lot of potential early on, but he's fallen on injury woes recently.  His sophmore year he follwed up with a good year from a young guy - put in solid numbers, but he needs to increase that average of 12 ppg for him to live up to his billing. With all his injury time you have to wonder if he's someone you can look to in the clutch. SU has historically leaned heavily on it's guards to score points, so I wonder how that plays in Coach Harris' eyes.  I hope Johns  pulls through and becomes someone who the hornets can rely on.  But - it looks like the coaching staff went out and brought in 5 freshman guards and two frosh SF's who may also be able to play the 2guard...  Add returners Adams (PG - 12.4 ppg and 98 assists), Cook, Carr and Bentley and SOMEONE out of those 11 guys should be able to shoot from outside the arch.  Which is what the hornets need to be able to do to at least be able to compete.  Someone needs to give JLawrence and OnyieO some space to work with down low. 

As a team, the issue SU needs to address is their dismal free throw shooting.  If they can ever get that under control (.608 avg last year) they might have a chance to stay close late in the game.  They really didn't have a handle on it last year. Hopefully they will continue to improve their defense (yes, I realize that the terms "defense" and "Shenandoah" are not usually associated with each other in the friendly confines of Shingleton Gym) as they have the last two years.   

In reality, I think the hornets could finish as high as third, setting up a decent opportunity for the conference tournament. Once you get to tournament play...  well, you never know. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 31, 2007, 10:38:56 AM
Nice analysis SU97,

As far as CNU is concerned - I have zero analysis to provide. There are too many changes in faces and offensive schemes. All I can predict is that before most games I can be found across the street at Schooners downing some beer and eating nachos or Souvlaki!! That way, the basketball games will be "happy times"!!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 31, 2007, 02:18:36 PM
Just got my season tickets! Can't wait for a very interesting year. Time to start ramping up on the hoops board. CNU has 2 football games left - both are away. Playoffs don't look promising. 2 road wins for the football team, a nice 7-3 record with a toughy schedule........and then hoops time!

Va Wesleyan on the clock - ugh, what a way to start the season! Good way to find out how well the pre-season prepared the team!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 31, 2007, 09:16:11 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 31, 2007, 02:18:36 PM
Just got my season tickets! Can't wait for a very interesting year. Time to start ramping up on the hoops board. CNU has 2 football games left - both are away. Playoffs don't look promising. 2 road wins for the football team, a nice 7-3 record with a toughy schedule........and then hoops time!

Va Wesleyan on the clock - ugh, what a way to start the season! Good way to find out how well the pre-season prepared the team!
Finally...  I've had enough wing-t for this year...

CNU85 - I like your schedule.  It's a nice mix of NCAA tourney squads and some not-so-NCAA tourney squads.  You guys should know a lot with VWC and SUNY-York in the first two games.... OUCH! After that it looks to be a bit easier.  But still:

VWC:   2007 NCAA runners-up
SUNY-YORK:   2007 NCAA Tourney
Trinity (non-lateral):   2007 NESCAC Champ and NCAA Tourney
NJCU:  19-10 in 2007 conf. runner-up

Not bad.



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 31, 2007, 09:21:40 PM
yes, it is a nicer mix of games. not too long ago our non-conf was full of not so challenging cake walks at home. I prefer the mix of harder competition. I'll have to check the SU schedule - but now it's time to shut down the computer and start settling in for the night (which means waiting for my daughter to come home from her boyfriend's house - ugghhhh...being a dad to a teenage girl is tough!)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 03:35:16 PM
Ok...just a few more days of football left, except for NCW fans. So, where is everybody? Time to start the smack talkin' and predictions and whatever...come on....CNU's season starts in 2 weeks...let'ss get this board rocking!

Swish - time to come out of hibernation!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 06, 2007, 05:53:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 03:35:16 PM
Ok...just a few more days of football left, except for NCW fans. So, where is everybody? Time to start the smack talkin' and predictions and whatever...come on....CNU's season starts in 2 weeks...let'ss get this board rocking!

Swish - time to come out of hibernation!

it's about time for some hoops, I can't take another "wingT weekend" at Shentel... 

CNU85 - how are you guys looking? 

Took a look at the NCWC media guide today.  Arrington is back to partner with Hall. If he gets back to the form he showed two years ago, well...   The Bishops just looked a whole lot better.  They have a ton of talent returning. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 08:30:47 PM
Thanks for talking hoops SU97 on this otherwise quiet board. I hope it heats up in the next couple of weeks........I'm looking forward to a very interesting season.

How does CNU look? Who knows....CNU is nothing but a  HUGE question mark!!!! Something like 5 Freshmen and 5 transfers (give or take). A new offensive scheme being learned by the coach and then being taught to the asisstants and players....yikes......too many variables to even try to provide an opinion. It's a wait and see scenario. Unfortunately, the first game is a tough game even if we had an experienced team and a scheme used for years - we open at home 2 weeks from tonight, against Virginia Wesleyan.......

oh man.....I just realized...Tuesdays I have something else to do......uh oh....gotta make some scheduling adjustments with my calendar.

NCW is looking good again....how about you guys?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 08:47:19 PM
Looking at the CNU roster now.....

I keep coming back to the word "ineresting"

5 transfers
4 Freshmen
4 returning players (2 returning starters - a Sophomore and a Junior). The other 2 returning non-starters are  the only senior on the team, who played extremely little and a junior who really hasn't been on the floor enough to give a fair evaluation.

The info I have been able to find on the transfers can be found in earlier posts. AS of yet, I haven't found anything to make me say, "wow, you guys (other USA South fans) better watch out"

OH CRAP!!!! I just realized something missing on the roster on CNU's website......Blasingame isn't on the roster!!!!!!!!!! The leading blocker on the team that has lead the nation in blocked shots each of the past 2 seasons....I thought I saw him on another roster a few weeks ago!!! I gotta find out more about that.....that's not good at all...not good! Oh crap!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 08:49:52 PM
Blasingame was on the roster posted in the Daily Press. But he's not on the roster now on the CNU sports website.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on November 06, 2007, 08:53:14 PM
unc-g 32, Greensboro 32 at half time. then uncg went up 20.....Greensboro looked good 1st half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 09:02:58 PM
Pride1,

I'm jealous! You have a 2 week jump on hoops!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 06, 2007, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 08:30:47 PM
Thanks for talking hoops SU97 on this otherwise quiet board. I hope it heats up in the next couple of weeks........I'm looking forward to a very interesting season.

How does CNU look? Who knows....CNU is nothing but a  HUGE question mark!!!! Something like 5 Freshmen and 5 transfers (give or take). A new offensive scheme being learned by the coach and then being taught to the asisstants and players....yikes......too many variables to even try to provide an opinion. It's a wait and see scenario. Unfortunately, the first game is a tough game even if we had an experienced team and a scheme used for years - we open at home 2 weeks from tonight, against Virginia Wesleyan.......

oh man.....I just realized...Tuesdays I have something else to do......uh oh....gotta make some scheduling adjustments with my calendar.

NCW is looking good again....how about you guys?
Wish I had time to catch a practice, but work has got me jammed.  Haven't even had a chance to talk with any of the coaches yet. I'm curious to see if any of these freshmen can shoot the 3ball.  Lots of new faces on the SU roster. Doesn't look like we brought in any big men though - tallest new guy is 6'4".   :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 06, 2007, 10:47:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 06, 2007, 08:47:19 PM
OH CRAP!!!! I just realized something missing on the roster on CNU's website......Blasingame isn't on the roster!!!!!!!!!! The leading blocker on the team that has lead the nation in blocked shots each of the past 2 seasons....I thought I saw him on another roster a few weeks ago!!! I gotta find out more about that.....that's not good at all...not good! Oh crap!

???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wildbill on November 07, 2007, 06:39:52 AM
Newspaper reports that Blasingame has left the team and school for health reasons.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 07, 2007, 08:18:46 AM
SU97...got your message. Yeah, it's not good news. I read the article this morning in the paper. I should have looked on line last night when it was posted.

I wish Blasingame well. He was fun to watch. I remember a few games, when the opponent started the faking of shots to try to fool Mark....only to have the ball rejected. I even remember one game he blocked 3 shots on one possession.

This sucks, but it's the hand that has been dealt. Time for the team to keep pushing forward.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wildbill on November 07, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
Perhaps if he gets his problems fixed, he can return at the begining of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 07, 2007, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: wildbill on November 07, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
Perhaps if he gets his problems fixed, he can return at the begining of the year.

Perhaps.

According to the roster only one other guy is listed in the Center position. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. I think the Daily Press is running a pre-season artcile on the 18th. I'm sure Jennifer Williams will have some good stuff. I'm glad she's back on the CNU hoops beat!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 08, 2007, 02:03:14 PM
now that i've seen roster's and know who has what..

Here is my (revised) preseason poll

1. Averett - they return the top 3 scorers from a 20-6 team...they've got to be the favorites [previous rank: 1]

2. N.C. Wesleyan - the addition of arrington is huge for this team...i suspect you'll see them play hall, drake and arrington on the floor at the same time quite a bit...that's a scary combo...the talent is there for this team to win it all [previous rank: 4]

3.  Methodist - i think the monarchs might surprise some folks this season and i wouldn't be surprised a bit if they won the title...or they could finish in 6th place :) [previous rank: 2]

4. CNU - this IS cnu...i just don't see them finishing worse than 3rd...ever - if blasingame is out for the entire season, they might not finish in the top 5...wow, did i really just type that :) [previous rank: 3]

5. Shenandoah - if onyie and johns can stay healthy, this team could push for a title despite finishing in last place last year...the trio of lawrence, onyie and johns are as dangerous as any in the conference - i really like their coaching, too - if onyie and johns can't stay healthy, this team is doomed to a 6th place finish [previous rank: 5]

6. Greensboro - this is a team that is simply replacing too much - they lost 6 players (4 with remaining eligibility) and the poty, who was the most important guy on the roster - nicholson is very good, as is zamuel...those two might be able to carry gc - among the 5 transfers are 2 big men who were formerly d2 players (sharpe and Mavoungou) - they could win it all if they can come together [previous rank: 6]

7. Ferrum - they lost 3 of their top 4 scorers...from a next to last place team [previous rank: 7]
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 08, 2007, 02:11:45 PM
the monarchs get the kazakhstan national team tonight - kazakhstan just got beat by a very good d2, mount olive college, last night - they were up by 2 at the half and lost by 14, 84-70 - should be a good challenge for the monarchs...maybe mu can catch them looking ahead to ncwc on friday :)

the ncwc site has a great write up on the kazakhstan national team (http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/news/2007-08/spotlights/12kaz.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 08, 2007, 06:09:23 PM
keep us posted, Narch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on November 08, 2007, 06:37:31 PM
Narch, from what I saw at the GC-unc-g game, the kid from Trinidad is going to be trouble. Also looks like Nicholson spent some time in the weight room. Guy from South Africa is nice.  yea thats his name Guy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 09, 2007, 01:25:27 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 08, 2007, 06:37:31 PM
Narch, from what I saw at the GC-unc-g game, the kid from Trinidad is going to be trouble. Also looks like Nicholson spent some time in the weight room. Guy from South Africa is nice.  yea thats his name Guy.
so :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 09, 2007, 01:31:58 PM
the monarchs lost 85-70 in the exhibition last night - i didn't get to see the game, but kazakhstan is a pretty big and experienced team - looks like they played their starters for most of the game...mu had only one player log more than 25 minutes - the monarchs closed to 8 points with 2 minutes left, but ran out of gas - mcdade led the monarchs with 25 points

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/kazakhstan1108.htm)
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/MUM%20110807.pdf)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 09, 2007, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: narch on November 09, 2007, 01:25:27 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 08, 2007, 06:37:31 PM
Narch, from what I saw at the GC-unc-g game, the kid from Trinidad is going to be trouble. Also looks like Nicholson spent some time in the weight room. Guy from South Africa is nice.  yea thats his name Guy.
so :)

Another Classic Narch Anti-GC posting!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 12, 2007, 06:30:36 PM
Hornets looked solid in the scrimage against Bridgewater the other day.  Open up tomorrow night with a game against UMd-Eastern Shore. Although the game doesn't count in the standings, it should be a good chance to get the rust off the ball...

Ouch - just pulled up the Hawks website and they just played VCU.  Hornets may be in for a long night...  Double ouch - they have a couple 6'6" - 6'10" guys on the roster...  but I always think it's good to get some time in against bigger, stronger opponents. 

Oh well, finally get a chance to listen to something on the radio other than "SU rushes for a 2 yard gain on the play."   ;D

Go Hornets!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 12, 2007, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 12, 2007, 06:30:36 PM
Oh well, finally get a chance to listen to something on the radio other than "SU rushes for a 2 yard gain on the play."   ;D


That was funny!! +1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 12, 2007, 11:58:25 PM
With all these games between the GSAC and USA South I'm really going to just bite the bullet and read all the basketball stuff as well. ;D

I know we've talked it on football but is it just me or did the two conferences really add a lot of games with each other the last two seasons — call it the GSAC's post Fisk era ?

Anybody at AU going to opening night against Murvul, Id love to hear what the Scots do in the post-posts era in a real game. The scrimmages aren't revealing enough to me as to how they'll play with a true rotation.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 13, 2007, 05:11:59 PM
It does appear there are more games between the GSAC and USA South. I liked the Fisk era!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on November 14, 2007, 12:14:31 PM
SU the sleeper this year? Ask UMES how they look this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Uncle Jessie on November 14, 2007, 02:11:59 PM
Nice exhibition win for the Hornets last night. It was pre-season but it was the first ever win over a D1 school for SU in history. ;D :o http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1815

Also here is a article from the Winchester Sun on the up coming season for SU. http://www.winchesterstar.com/article_details.php?ArticleID=2581
I cant wait to see the team in action. GO HORNETS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2007, 10:40:28 PM
the monarchs lost 87-76 to div1 wcu tonight...trailed by just 3 at the half - wcu is pretty big...lot's of 6'7"+/230+ bodies - their leading scorer had verballed to cincinatti before signing with wcu - mcdade was the leading scorer for mu with 17

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/wcarolina1114.htm)
box score (http://catamountsports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2007-2008/wcu1114.html#GAME.BOX)

nice win for su over umes...told you those boys would be solid this year :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on November 15, 2007, 06:38:25 AM
Well, that was a fine showing for Methodist also.  It looks like USA South is going to be a tough conference this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2007, 07:13:14 AM
It's gonna be a long season! I think there will be some very happy posters on this board!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 15, 2007, 06:31:46 PM
Quote from: narch on November 14, 2007, 10:40:28 PM
nice win for su over umes...told you those boys would be solid this year :)

Great game to listen to on the radio, not sure how much both teams were getting guys some time on the floor - but it did sound like both were going with starters in OT. I checked the box score tonight and it was pretty much what I thought it would be from JLawrence and OnyieO, but it was also good to see Johns with 17 points and Adams kick in 8 assists.  But - if SU is going to compete you have to do something about the 33 turnovers...  Each of the four guys above had 6 TO's each.  Not good.

Regardless - Real nice win to head into the weekend tourney down in Roanoke! 

GO HORNETS!



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 15, 2007, 06:53:05 PM
I was looking around on the fellow USASAC team websites and I really like that NCWC, GC, Methodist and SU all played small D-I's.  What do you guys think about scheduling exh. games (or even regular season games) like these?   

Hey CNU85 - do you guys ever play Hampton, Bill&Mary or Norfolk State?   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 16, 2007, 01:32:56 AM
Quote from: SU97 on November 15, 2007, 06:53:05 PM
I was looking around on the fellow USASAC team websites and I really like that NCWC, GC, Methodist and SU all played small D-I's.  What do you guys think about scheduling exh. games (or even regular season games) like these?   

Hey CNU85 - do you guys ever play Hampton, Bill&Mary or Norfolk State?   

CNU hasnt played a D1 school in a LONG time. Not sure of the reasoning tho.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wildbill on November 16, 2007, 08:24:44 AM
CNU stopped playing William and Mary when CJ's brother started coaching there.  I am not sure why they stopped playing Hampton University.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 16, 2007, 09:57:32 PM
the monarchs get win #1, 64-50 over rutgers camden - lehman scores 15 to lead mu - the monarchs did not rebound well, but shot 50% overall and 47% from 3 to pull out the w - they play elizabethtown on saturday in the championship of their tournament

game story/box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/rutgerscamden1116.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on November 17, 2007, 02:27:25 PM
NC Wesleyan knocked off Rutgets-Newark last night at VWC 73-70 with Jarmel Arrington banking in a 3 from the top of the key at the buzzer... he looked inpressive, as did Lenny Hall (both had 23). The Bishops face Virginia Wesleyan tonight at 8.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 17, 2007, 05:29:07 PM
the monarchs get loss #1 today at e-town, 86-76 - haven't seen a full box, but mcdade had 26 an 9 rebs, shuford had 15 and 9 - the monarchs shot 43% from the field, but struggled big time from 3 - the monarchs travel to lynchburg on tuesday
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2007, 06:23:38 PM
Sounds like good stuff from the USA South so far. Makes me nervous. This is gonna be a looooong year for CNU fans!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2007, 10:31:53 PM
NCW losses to VWC.....by about 20.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on November 18, 2007, 12:40:46 AM
Even though they lost my about 20, NCWC looked like a very talented and extremely athletic team. They should have some success this season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 18, 2007, 02:26:35 PM
Average start for the Hornets this weekend down in Roanoke.  SU jumped all over Frostburg State on friday, but couldn't handle the Maroons Saturday night.  Sounded like a totally different team:  not much you can say about 20 turnovers. The box score reflected nothing unusual:  JLawrence with 21 points, 11 boards and 4 blocks; OnyieO with 15 points and 6 boards; and Johns had 12 points.  Looking at the play-by-play those three accounted for 24 straight Hornets points during the second half - which makes me wonder where the rest of the team was?  Adams had a sleepy 12 points, but only played 22 minutes - compared to his 19 points against FSU.  It looks like Johns had 11 points friday and 12 on saturday - SU is going to need more out of their guards. 

In the backcourt, SU seems to have a freshmen, Kevin Kline, starting at center?  (not sure if he is playing 4 or 5)  He knocked in 10 points and had 4 boards on friday - but went for 1 board and 2 points in the championship game.  Go figure - seems to have been replaced by Scott in the second game.  I wonder why they weren't going with JLawrence down low? 

But it all goes back to those turnovers:  Roanoke put in 30 points off turnovers.  21 of those in the first half.  (The Maroons were leading by 12 at the half) Well, that and SU obviously had no answer for #30 for Roanoke. Guy had 19 points and 9 boards.  I give the Hornets credit - they fought back in the second half to give themselves a chance, but the ball didn't go their way with the last play. 

Probably a good loss to take early, before the Hornets get too full of themselves.  That UMES game probably had their heads swelling a little.  In a way maybe it's good to have gotten brought back into reality mode... 

Anyways, I'm rambling - hope the Hornets take it to EMU this week and then finally: 5 straight home games!!!!!! 

Go Hornets!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2007, 07:56:52 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 18, 2007, 02:26:35 PM5 straight home games!!!!!! 
must be nice...the monarchs only have 3 non conference home games and 9 total...sure would be nice to get to see the team play, especially 5 straight games
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2007, 10:04:59 PM
i see that gc is off to an 0-2 start after getting hammered by plattsburgh state, who were 21-9 last year and losing to brooklyn, who were 10-14 last year...tough start for the pride, but it looks like they played a couple of solid teams, especially plattsburgh
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on November 19, 2007, 05:48:08 PM
Jan. 16
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 19, 2007, 06:11:33 PM
Congrats to SU's JLawrence for earning POTW.  42 points, 21 rebounds and 5 blocks in 2 games is not a bad opening weekend...   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 20, 2007, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 19, 2007, 05:48:08 PM
Jan. 16
thanks...i wasn't sure when sweeps week on nbc began :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 09:52:57 PM
VWC beats CNU 88-79. Close game throughout. No matter what people may say, VWC is adjusting to the loss of Adair and Sumpter.

CNU played better than I would have expected for their first game. Only 3 returning players, 2 starters, and 9 new guys!! Tough games this weekend with York (NY) and Curry.

CNU's new offense is fun to watch. Very enjoyable. It fits the style of the players better. CNU doesn't depend on just Barton bringing the ball down the court. It eases the pressure a little. A few mistakes were made, especially by Freshmen. But, they were mistakes of misjudging the speed of the game. A game or two more and they'll be ok. Here comes  a post or two about each player as I saw it tonight - and who the heck am I anyway? - so my opinions don't really matter...here goes....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 09:56:06 PM
Returning players:

Theo Baker - He was off tonight. Not to be totally unexpected for a first game. I know he can play better, so I'm  not worried. I think he opened with a three, then went someting like one of eight. If he goes 4-8....oh well...we can "if" this game into oblivion.

Davon Barton - I've been critical of Davon in the past. I must admit, this new offense fits his style perfectly. It seems like last year he was trying to play this way in a different offensive scheme and it looked awkward at times. Expect good things from Davon this year.

Brandon Duke - I don't think he played tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 09:59:47 PM
New Guys:

Starters:

Marko Hamlin - Big man inside. Very aggressive. Plays bigger than 210 lbs. Got a nice block. Goes to the ball well.

John Russell - I'll have to check the stats. I don't recall seeing him too much after the start.

Thomas Whinnett - He seems very versatile. He can play bigger than 6'6" and 220 when inside. He can also play "smaller" often bringing the ball up the court. He even had a few between the legs dribble. Not bad for a "big" guy. Some of his shots were off. He hustles. He talks a lot on defense - letting others know what's going on. He seems like a smart player.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 10:07:55 PM
New Guys

Non starters:

Kenny Reid - good rebounder. Not afraid to get in the middle of things. Only 6'3" 200 lbs but plays much much bigger than that. He also hustles to the ball well. Good player. Former football player at NCW.

David Mustian - Another Freshman. Plays hard. Got some good minutes. Needs to adjust to the speed just a little. HE's another guy I see getting a lot of playing time. Also another smart player.

Craig McCargo - little guy at 5'7". He can shoot! He can handle the ball. Good at finding the open guy. He will also see minutes this year.

Conley Taylor - local boy. Hustles with every step. Extremely smart player. Very aware of the court. He made some mistakes tonight. I attribute all of them to this being his first college game and he isn't used to the speed of the game. I think he will adjust to the speed by the next game. He's that good. He's not afraid of getting into the paint or putting up a shot against bigger guys. He can jump! HE had a lot of minutes tonight for a first game. I can't wait to see the stats.

Paul Going - Didn't play as much. I can see him being a good role player. He can give some rest to the guys with more minutes in this new running offense and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would hurt the team when he's on the court. I'd like to see him play more to make any further analysis. I'm looking forward to watching him play.

Rocky Patterson - I don't think he played.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 10:10:02 PM
That's it. I think this is going to be fun watching this team mature together. No seniors and only 3 juniors. Let's see about the next few games to see if my comments hold any validity.

And it was nice chatting with Bruce Hornsby during halftime!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 10:18:45 PM
Final post of the night. Just looked at box score.

4 players in double figures. Barton and 3 new guys. Team shot 52% and 42% from three pt range. Blasingame will be missed inside - but CNU blocked 8 shots today...more than what they averaged per game the past 2 years when they lead the nation in blocked shots.

ok...on to the Duke game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 20, 2007, 10:27:14 PM
monarchs get a win vs. lynchburg tonight...they spotted the hornets 13 to start the game and outscored lc 67-50 from there on - mcdade had a big night with 26 and 6, shuford with 14 and 7 and frosh leumichael smith had 11 - lehmann was 0fer with only 1 assist and 2 to's...not his best night - looks like the monarchs are still trying to sort out back court playing time and rotations judging by the 3 boxes this season - lane started and played just 8 minutes and sigman started and played 13 while winstead and thomas played 16 each off the bench - it's not the most impressive win...but it's a win :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on November 21, 2007, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 10:07:55 PM
New Guys

Non starters:

Kenny Reid - good rebounder. Not afraid to get in the middle of things. Only 6'3" 200 lbs but plays much much bigger than that. He also hustles to the ball well. Good player. Former football player at NCW.

David Mustian - Another Freshman. Plays hard. Got some good minutes. Needs to adjust to the speed just a little. HE's another guy I see getting a lot of playing time. Also another smart player.

Craig McCargo - little guy at 5'7". He can shoot! He can handle the ball. Good at finding the open guy. He will also see minutes this year.

Conley Taylor - local boy. Hustles with every step. Extremely smart player. Very aware of the court. He made some mistakes tonight. I attribute all of them to this being his first college game and he isn't used to the speed of the game. I think he will adjust to the speed by the next game. He's that good. He's not afraid of getting into the paint or putting up a shot against bigger guys. He can jump! HE had a lot of minutes tonight for a first game. I can't wait to see the stats.

Paul Going - Didn't play as much. I can see him being a good role player. He can give some rest to the guys with more minutes in this new running offense and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would hurt the team when he's on the court. I'd like to see him play more to make any further analysis. I'm looking forward to watching him play.

Rocky Patterson - I don't think he played.


Does anyone know if this guy Reid (Kenny) played high school ball at Lakeland High School in Suffolk, Va. My son played football with a Kenny Reid that had hands like a vacuum and I thought he went to school somewhere in NC but wasn't sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2007, 06:01:48 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on November 21, 2007, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 10:07:55 PM
New Guys

Non starters:

Kenny Reid - good rebounder. Not afraid to get in the middle of things. Only 6'3" 200 lbs but plays much much bigger than that. He also hustles to the ball well. Good player. Former football player at NCW.

David Mustian - Another Freshman. Plays hard. Got some good minutes. Needs to adjust to the speed just a little. HE's another guy I see getting a lot of playing time. Also another smart player.

Craig McCargo - little guy at 5'7". He can shoot! He can handle the ball. Good at finding the open guy. He will also see minutes this year.

Conley Taylor - local boy. Hustles with every step. Extremely smart player. Very aware of the court. He made some mistakes tonight. I attribute all of them to this being his first college game and he isn't used to the speed of the game. I think he will adjust to the speed by the next game. He's that good. He's not afraid of getting into the paint or putting up a shot against bigger guys. He can jump! HE had a lot of minutes tonight for a first game. I can't wait to see the stats.

Paul Going - Didn't play as much. I can see him being a good role player. He can give some rest to the guys with more minutes in this new running offense and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would hurt the team when he's on the court. I'd like to see him play more to make any further analysis. I'm looking forward to watching him play.

Rocky Patterson - I don't think he played.


Does anyone know if this guy Reid (Kenny) played high school ball at Lakeland High School in Suffolk, Va. My son played football with a Kenny Reid that had hands like a vacuum and I thought he went to school somewhere in NC but wasn't sure.

That's the guy
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on November 21, 2007, 11:14:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 21, 2007, 06:01:48 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on November 21, 2007, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 20, 2007, 10:07:55 PM
New Guys

Non starters:

Kenny Reid - good rebounder. Not afraid to get in the middle of things. Only 6'3" 200 lbs but plays much much bigger than that. He also hustles to the ball well. Good player. Former football player at NCW.

David Mustian - Another Freshman. Plays hard. Got some good minutes. Needs to adjust to the speed just a little. HE's another guy I see getting a lot of playing time. Also another smart player.

Craig McCargo - little guy at 5'7". He can shoot! He can handle the ball. Good at finding the open guy. He will also see minutes this year.

Conley Taylor - local boy. Hustles with every step. Extremely smart player. Very aware of the court. He made some mistakes tonight. I attribute all of them to this being his first college game and he isn't used to the speed of the game. I think he will adjust to the speed by the next game. He's that good. He's not afraid of getting into the paint or putting up a shot against bigger guys. He can jump! HE had a lot of minutes tonight for a first game. I can't wait to see the stats.

Paul Going - Didn't play as much. I can see him being a good role player. He can give some rest to the guys with more minutes in this new running offense and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would hurt the team when he's on the court. I'd like to see him play more to make any further analysis. I'm looking forward to watching him play.

Rocky Patterson - I don't think he played.


Does anyone know if this guy Reid (Kenny) played high school ball at Lakeland High School in Suffolk, Va. My son played football with a Kenny Reid that had hands like a vacuum and I thought he went to school somewhere in NC but wasn't sure.

That's the guy

CNU is lucky to have him. He is a great kid. I wish him the best. If I remember correctly he had a bad knee. Hopefully he has gotten that corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 23, 2007, 09:20:11 PM
WOW.  ;D

SU knocks off Houston Baptist by 3 points - GREAT game against a much bigger opponent!  No stats available online, but it seems like OnyieO had a big game.  Got some solid minutes from some frosh too.  Curious to see the stats.

Go Hornets!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 24, 2007, 12:23:17 PM
Great game last night in Winchester.  Hornets continue to play hard and are getting EVERYTHING out of JLawrence and OnyieO.  JLawrence put up another solid game:  17 points, 7 boards, 2 blocks and 2 steals all while playing against a guy who's shoulders came up to JLawrence's forehead...  the guy was huge.  But OnyieO stole the show with 21 points, 6 rebounds (5 on the offensive boards), a block and even had 3 assists.  He was by far the best player on the floor. 

SU is getting great work out of Kline down low.  The freshman pulled down 10 rebounds and even banged home a 3-pointer!?!?  ;D  It was really good to see a bunch of the guys off the bench supporting the cause:  10 hornets scored on the night - including 35 points from the bench. 

It's cool that the d3hoops guys gave SU a little love by posting the game result on the homepage - but I found the Houston Baptist release to be interesting:  http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/article.asp?articleID=167 (http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/article.asp?articleID=167)

I typically don't bust on other schools, except for greensboro, but after reading the Houston Baptist website game recap this morning I had to laugh. How embarrassing for a D1 program to lose to a D3 school that was 1-11 in conference last year.  Nice bit of whining in the Houston spin:  "The difference came at the line, where Shenandoah managed to get to the line 32 times compared to just 18 for HBU. The Hornets hit for 75 percent, outscoring HBU by 10 at the charity stripe."

Okay - so if you take away the four (4) techinical foul shots (and, might I add, the 2 technicals - seemed rather not very baptist-like to me ;)) and the six (6) SU free throws in the final 35 seconds when they were fouling to stop the clock...  to me that's 10 FT's that really don't come through the play of a normal game, so the 32-18 FT difference they whine about seems a bit lame to me.  Maybe they should look at the 22 turnovers and then figure out why they lost.



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 24, 2007, 09:13:30 PM
the monarchs win 74-67 vs. nna today - not sure what to think of that result - nna played vwc tight, losing 74-70 and beat rutgers-newark then got hammered by d2 francis marion...who knows how good the builders are?

shuford had a monster game with 15 pts/15 reb and 7 assists (5 to's, though) on 6-7 shooting from the field (only 3-8 from the stripe) - mcbryde and lehmann both chipped in with 15, and mcdade had 12 - turnovers have been an issue early for the monarchs, and were again today as mu had 30 of 'em - gotta fix that problem

box score (http://www.gobuilders.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/stats/nnamen04.htm#GAME.BOX)

game story (http://www.gobuilders.com/sports/mbkb/2007-08/news/112407-menbbvmethodist)

su now has 2 wins vs. d1 opponents...anyone else think they might be dangerous this season?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 09:37:37 PM
Let's not overrate Houston Baptist.  They were a good NAIA-1 program last year which lost in the first round of the NAIA-1 Tourney last spring.

2006-07 HBU stats (http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/stats/bkb0607/teamstat.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 24, 2007, 09:48:06 PM
Yikes....CNU lost again. 0-3 to start the year. I think it's first 0-3 start in history...and CNU hoops goes back to the 60's.

It's gonna be a looooong year!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 25, 2007, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 09:37:37 PM
Let's not overrate Houston Baptist.  They were a good NAIA-1 program last year which lost in the first round of the NAIA-1 Tourney last spring.

2006-07 HBU stats (http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/stats/bkb0607/teamstat.htm)
i think we all realize they are a first year d1...but they're still a d1 and they're still giving scholarships, so it's a quality win regardless
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 25, 2007, 04:41:07 PM
Apprentice 74, Averett 73
Blocked shot at buzzer
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2007, 08:57:52 PM
Dang! Almost beat #6 VWC...beat AU which I believe received votes!

Can NNA get votes in the polls?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 25, 2007, 10:43:21 PM
Averett was #27 (#2 in the others) in the pre-season poll.
Gave Methodist fits Saturday...up one with 63 seconds left and lose by 7.

McDaniel and Rumley had 19 each for Averett....each team had 23 turnovers.....after forcing 30 yesterday....

we will play hard for 40....no doubt there...it'll be fun our 3 games in Maine this weekend....play Averett again on Dec. 5, at Va. Wes on Dec. 8 and at VMI on Dec. 10
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 25, 2007, 11:55:06 PM
ok...maybe some questions about nna are starting to be answered...i thought averett would win by 20...hmmmm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 26, 2007, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 25, 2007, 08:57:52 PM
Can NNA get votes in the polls?  ;D

I know this was facetious but for the record, the answer is no, not even in our football poll.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on November 26, 2007, 01:27:30 PM
Averett has problems at the PG spot. I would't be surprised if #20 didn't have 10 TO's on his own... they're gonna have to get this corrected if they wanna make it back to the tournament... All NNA did was press this team the whole game and Averett was throwing the ball right into their hands.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 26, 2007, 05:32:00 PM
Good to see freshman Kevin Kline get some recognition.  Although he is not in a position to put up a lot of big numbers like some of his teammates, he's playing tough and making things difficult in the paint for the opposition.  SU is getting some quality minutes out of the young guy.   

ROTW:  http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1824   (http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1824)

Otterbein comes to town tonight after scoring 136 points against E&H in a losing effort the other night. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 26, 2007, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: narch on November 25, 2007, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 09:37:37 PM
Let's not overrate Houston Baptist.  They were a good NAIA-1 program last year which lost in the first round of the NAIA-1 Tourney last spring.

2006-07 HBU stats (http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/stats/bkb0607/teamstat.htm)
i think we all realize they are a first year d1...but they're still a d1 and they're still giving scholarships, so it's a quality win regardless

+1 for you Narch
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 26, 2007, 06:33:09 PM
thanks, 97 :)

heading to the riddle center right now to watch a little "system" ball - mu has been giving the ball away a lot this season...i hope they can take care of it just a little bit tonight...and make some layups
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2007, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 26, 2007, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: narch on November 25, 2007, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 24, 2007, 09:37:37 PM
Let's not overrate Houston Baptist.  They were a good NAIA-1 program last year which lost in the first round of the NAIA-1 Tourney last spring.

2006-07 HBU stats (http://hbuhuskies.athleticsite.com/stats/bkb0607/teamstat.htm)
i think we all realize they are a first year d1...but they're still a d1 and they're still giving scholarships, so it's a quality win regardless

+1 for you Narch
Okay +1 to the Hornets!
HBU (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2007&mid=#conf) was #625 in Massey Ratings in 2007, behind #624 Brockport State and even #604 Maryville TN.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: roundbll on November 26, 2007, 08:46:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 24, 2007, 09:48:06 PM
Yikes....CNU lost again. 0-3 to start the year. I think it's first 0-3 start in history...and CNU hoops goes back to the 60's.

It's gonna be a looooong year!!
85...
Hope for some talent in the stands to make the games interesting!
What ever happened to that #24 kid from last year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 26, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2007, 06:49:27 PMOkay +1 to the Hornets!
HBU (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2007&mid=#conf) was #625 in Massey Ratings in 2007, behind #624 Brockport State and even #604 Maryville TN.
beating m'ville would be a quality win...hbu is close to m'ville according to massey, so it's a quality win :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 26, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
just got back from the first pick-up basketball game i've ever seen count in the standings :) 

mu wins going away, 142-119 - i've now seen the system on tv and in person and can say this...i don't think you can win consistently jacking up that many threes and giving up uncontested layups (although i will say that ehc didn't take as many 3's as i thought they would) - the monarchs shot 67% from the floor tonight and had probably 7 or 8 dunks - ehc did force mu into 33 turnovers, but they committed 25 themselves - they didn't look as comfortable running as mu did, and they do it every night - the monarchs really figured things out in the second half and had a field day, shooting 72% in the half - what they figured out was that ehc was sending 3 at the ball to trap...mu just got the ball to the middle of the court and ran a 3 on 2 break, at which point ehc played the pass, so the monarch ball handler just finished with a pull-up - on those occassions that they played the ball, the monarchs got dunks or layups - it really looked like mu was running drills in the second half...kinda crazy, but very entertaining

some monarchs put up huge numbers, including mcbryde who had 35 points and 15 boards - frosh luemichael smith was very impressive with 20 points on 10 of 13 shooting and travis winstead finished with 21 on 8 of 10 shooting - shuford had 18 and 11 on 7 of 11 shooting...you get the picture...lots of points, lots of rebounds for the monarchs - i liked the play of little aj hester...he was a good find in cnu's back yard - he could be a solid little point guard when he learns not to rush things - mcdade wasn't overly impressive tonight, but this didn't seem like the kind of game that suits his playing style

4-1 sure feels good, though :)

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/emoryhenry1126.htm)
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2007-08%20Stats/mum1126.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2007, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: narch on November 26, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2007, 06:49:27 PMOkay +1 to the Hornets!
HBU (http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2007&mid=#conf) was #625 in Massey Ratings in 2007, behind #624 Brockport State and even #604 Maryville TN.
beating m'ville would be a quality win...hbu is close to m'ville according to massey, so it's a quality win :)
:D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2007, 01:52:51 PM
glad you liked that, ralph...i've got to find some way to prove my point :)

we'll find out a lot about the monarchs in the coming weeks as they finish up the non-conference portion of their schedule- check this out:

Dec. 2 - LaGrange
Dec. 5 - @ #3 Guilford
Dec. 15 - @ Maryville
Dec. 29 - @ Piedmont
Dec. 30 - vs. Maryville @ Piedmont
Jan. 2 - @ #5 Virginia Wesleyan
Jan. 6 - @ LaGrange
Jan. 12 - Piedmont

let's review - 2 road games against top 5 teams - 2 road games against m'ville...never easy - 2 games against a talented team led by an all-american post player and one of the best pg's in the region...oh, and they're coached by a former mu assistant - a nice little road trip to lagrange, ga to face a dangerous panthers team...whew...if the monarchs can go 4-4 in this slate of games, i'll feel REALLY good about this team

go monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: roundbll on November 26, 2007, 08:46:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 24, 2007, 09:48:06 PM
Yikes....CNU lost again. 0-3 to start the year. I think it's first 0-3 start in history...and CNU hoops goes back to the 60's.

It's gonna be a looooong year!!
85...
Hope for some talent in the stands to make the games interesting!
What ever happened to that #24 kid from last year?

Not looking too good this year, so far. I had to resort to chatting with Bruce hornsby at the last game I went to.  The #24 kid - not sure about him. Rumor has it he grew his hair long and is partying as hard as USAF pilots!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 27, 2007, 04:40:50 PM
I think this is the third different board to rip on E&H system so I think I may have to drive up the 2 hours and catch these guys live. LaGrange coaches didn't even want to talk about the game they lost 142-122 to them. If I could give a +1 to narch I would because finally somebody broke down the system understandably, so take an IOU till I post myself up there ::)

Any coincidence that USAC hq is at MU and the Monarchs are playing so many GSAC teams this year? I really want to get down there to Piedmont and see MU and FC take on Maryville and Piedmont but its so likely to overlap with a good bowl trip ...  >:(  In my fervent little imagination that weekend looks like a future northern division vs southern division conference weekend, say circa 2009?

Since Im still catching up on the USAC in basketball how in the world did SU go 1-11 last season with both Lawrence and Onunaku on the floor? Was there that much lack of supporting cast?



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 27, 2007, 05:45:10 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on November 27, 2007, 04:40:50 PM
Since Im still catching up on the USAC in basketball how in the world did SU go 1-11 last season with both Lawrence and Onunaku on the floor? Was there that much lack of supporting cast?
Onyie got hurt early in december last year and ended up with a medical redshirt. Same with 2 guard Johns. 

Unfortunately it left JLawrence all by himself and nobody to help.  Coaching staff made some significant personnel changes and went out and recruited a bunch of new faces.  Some of those kids are getting some decent playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 27, 2007, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: narch on November 26, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
some monarchs put up huge numbers, including mcbryde who had 35 points and 15 boards -

System or no system, that's a hell of a game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 27, 2007, 05:52:44 PM
Quote from: narch on November 26, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
just got back from the first pick-up basketball game i've ever seen count in the standings :) 

mu wins going away, 142-119 - i've now seen the system on tv and in person and can say this...i don't think you can win consistently jacking up that many threes and giving up uncontested layups (although i will say that ehc didn't take as many 3's as i thought they would) - the monarchs shot 67% from the floor tonight and had probably 7 or 8 dunks - ehc did force mu into 33 turnovers, but they committed 25 themselves - they didn't look as comfortable running as mu did, and they do it every night - the monarchs really figured things out in the second half and had a field day, shooting 72% in the half - what they figured out was that ehc was sending 3 at the ball to trap...mu just got the ball to the middle of the court and ran a 3 on 2 break, at which point ehc played the pass, so the monarch ball handler just finished with a pull-up - on those occassions that they played the ball, the monarchs got dunks or layups - it really looked like mu was running drills in the second half...kinda crazy, but very entertaining


You know, it sounds like all offense NO DEFFENSE...  I think SU must have been running that for 10 years...     ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 27, 2007, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
Not looking too good this year, so far. I had to resort to chatting with Bruce hornsby at the last game I went to. 

CNU85 - I really wanted to say something crafty about Hornsby not finding "the range" at CNU because you guys are struggling from 3-point, but I just couldn't figure out the right words...  I'm losing my edge...

Didn't he play with The Dead for awhile?

Hey, I realized that without PSBBG on here I missed GC winning the CNU tourney.  85 did you see them play?  Thoughts?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 27, 2007, 06:19:54 PM
Quote from: narch on November 27, 2007, 01:52:51 PM
2 games against a talented team led by an all-american post player and one of the best pg's in the region...oh, and they're coached by a former mu assistant -

Narch,

Thanks for the love ... :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2007, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 27, 2007, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
Not looking too good this year, so far. I had to resort to chatting with Bruce hornsby at the last game I went to. 

CNU85 - I really wanted to say something crafty about Hornsby not finding "the range" at CNU because you guys are struggling from 3-point, but I just couldn't figure out the right words...  I'm losing my edge...

Didn't he play with The Dead for awhile?

Hey, I realized that without PSBBG on here I missed GC winning the CNU tourney.  85 did you see them play?  Thoughts?



Actually it was a "Classic", not  a  tournament. The difference being, the games were already determined. CNU and GC would not have met under any circumstances. Which is a good thing because CNU isn't ready for conference play yet. It was possible for 2 teams to be 2-0 that weekend. I wasn't there. I was scoring brownie points with the wife. It was our anniversary so we headed up towards the mountains and Skyline Drive. Now, I get to escape the weekend of the D3football Stagg Bowl in 2 weeks!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 27, 2007, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on November 27, 2007, 04:40:50 PM
I really want to get down there to Piedmont and see MU and FC take on Maryville and Piedmont but its so likely to overlap with a good bowl trip ...  >:( 

Come on down, Bard ... Demorest is lovely this time of year.  :)

It's Methodist and Averett (not Ferrum) taking on Maryville and Piedmont ... so, hopefully, we'll have some good games.
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/schedule-mn-basketball.asp?sportNameID=5&sy=6
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 27, 2007, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 27, 2007, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: narch on November 26, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
some monarchs put up huge numbers, including mcbryde who had 35 points and 15 boards -
System or no system, that's a hell of a game.
no doubt...t-mac really hustled last night and played like he wanted every rebound and loose ball - that type of game really suits him...he's a great athlete who has a nose for the ball, can run all day and knows how to finish...now he just has to learn how to harness those skills and put them to use in the monarch system - i've said this before...the sky is the limit for mcbryde...he could be a legit poty candidate if he worked hard every night and started doing the little things it takes to be a great basketball player - i haven't seen that from him yet, but i got a little glimpse last night...i hope to see more in the future

while watching the game last night, i was thinking...i think the top 6 for the monarchs are as talented as i've seen in a while - lehmann is a really solid pg who shoots well enough to force teams to respect his shot - winstead is rock solid at the 2...very steady and has a great basketball iq - i'm very impressed with leumichael smith...i thought losing bascom would really hurt mu, but i think smith is every bit as good offensively and he's a better athlete (i'm not sure he's as good defensively...jury's still out) - shuford is a beast on the boards and will be a double-double machine this season - i've mentioned mcbryde's talent...let's see if he realizes his potential and mcdade is a lot like dragan but more athletic and maybe a better shoooter...hopefully he's a better defender, as well - the big questions are, can 2 or three more guys step up and be solid contributors and can this team survive the brutal schedule ahead
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2007, 12:17:17 PM
Narch,

Looks like the next 7 games before conference play will be a true test for MU. The Monarchs opponents this year each won less than 10 games last year with the exception of E&H which had 14. The next 7 games look very tough for you guys! A true test before tipping off against Greensboro - your favorite team!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 28, 2007, 12:51:35 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 27, 2007, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: narch on November 26, 2007, 10:24:08 PM
some monarchs put up huge numbers, including mcbryde who had 35 points and 15 boards -

System or no system, that's a hell of a game.

Actually, no  ... that's a fairly typical game for the opposing team's big man, whose job it is to stand all alone on the other end of the floor and lay it up when E&H's five guys who are chasing the ball don't steal it.

Check out the opponent's composite #s ... they are averaging 63% from the field and 54 rebounds per game against The System.  Wow ...
http://www.ehc.edu/teamphotos/2007/11/2007112620560940/teamcume.htm

If you or I could get 20 to 25 minutes at the 5 spot against the system ... either of us could probably put up 20 and 10!  :o I'm only slightly kidding ...  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 28, 2007, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 27, 2007, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on November 27, 2007, 04:40:50 PM
I really want to get down there to Piedmont and see MU and FC take on Maryville and Piedmont but its so likely to overlap with a good bowl trip ...  >:( 

Come on down, Bard ... Demorest is lovely this time of year.  :)

It's Methodist and Averett (not Ferrum) taking on Maryville and Piedmont ... so, hopefully, we'll have some good games.
http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/schedule-mn-basketball.asp?sportNameID=5&sy=6

I stand corrected  :o- was looking at the wrong spot on my handcrafted schedule showing this years USAC vs GSAC games. And I might because I'd love to see Baldwin scorch somebody besides Maryville or LaGrange for a change. Depends on those pesky Vols and where they go and what that means for who has to go to the Music City Bowl this year. :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on November 28, 2007, 09:11:14 PM
Pride.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wahoo on November 28, 2007, 09:28:21 PM
Congratulations pride1fan
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 28, 2007, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 28, 2007, 09:11:14 PM
Pride.
nice
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2007, 09:44:54 PM
0-4. Another loss. Another frustrating game. The Captains are still trying to figure each other out on the team. Having 9 new guys and only 3 returning players is frustrating. The team has talent. They just need to come together and I guess the only way to do that is keep playing. Every game seems like something improves and something gets worse. This game we finally out rebounded the opponent. But then we shoot 12-23 from the charity stripe. Going into the game CNU was out rebounded in every game, but was shooting 83.8% on their FT. Go figure. Tonight's game was frustrating we lose by four. Shot 1-7 from FT line in first half. We come down the court and look like nobody can stop us, make great passes, nice cuts to the basket...then come down the next time and, as the Coach said in post game, "we do something dumb, dumb, and dumber".

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

There....I feel better!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 28, 2007, 10:43:41 PM
Great upset Pride! Poor PSBBG picked the wrong year to quit the board.

http://www.gborocollege.edu/weblog.php?action=showpage&page=news&blogid=12#collapse (http://www.gborocollege.edu/weblog.php?action=showpage&page=news&blogid=12#collapse)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on November 29, 2007, 12:26:49 AM
WOW!!!! What a game!!! Greensboro upsets #3 Guilford 71-66. I was there the atmospher was awsome it was standing room only in Haynes Gym tonight. The guys played a heck of a game and hats off to Guilford they are an outstanding team. Good Luck to them the rest of the way. I was really impressed with the spirit that both teams fans had, there was some Guilford fans there at least 2 hrs before tip of the game that was crazy. If you would like to get just a feel of what it was like at the game, you can look at the recorded archive of the video at the following link......WARNING: If your server or connection is slow or weak signal it will freeze quite a bit. But I know they are planning to do this for most if not all of the Home games for the Pride this season if not on the road some as well. Here is the link and enjoy..... http://www.ustream.tv/gcpride
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on November 29, 2007, 08:24:21 AM
If Greensboro plays like that every game they'll make a splash in the USAC.  43% from three point range and crucially over 80% from the line, and hustling like mad.  Especially, the hustling.  Whew!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 09:03:55 AM
In the picture on the front page, do I see a Greensboro coach that has been doused in Gatorade?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 29, 2007, 09:32:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 09:03:55 AM
In the picture on the front page, do I see a Greensboro coach that has been doused in Gatorade?  :)
Yes, I believe he'd just been doused.  He's shaking hands with Guilford Coach Palombo.  I'm naturally disappointed the Quakers lost, but kudos to the Pride.  As I also reported on the ODAC site, the atmosphere was intense and terrific.  I wish all of you could have been there.  I haven't had that feeling at a Guilford game in over 30 years and it brought back great memories.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2007, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: GCGullett on November 29, 2007, 12:26:49 AM
WOW!!!! What a game!!! Greensboro upsets #3 Guilford 71-66. I was there the atmospher was awsome it was standing room only in Haynes Gym tonight. The guys played a heck of a game and hats off to Guilford they are an outstanding team. Good Luck to them the rest of the way. I was really impressed with the spirit that both teams fans had, there was some Guilford fans there at least 2 hrs before tip of the game that was crazy. If you would like to get just a feel of what it was like at the game, you can look at the recorded archive of the video at the following link......WARNING: If your server or connection is slow or weak signal it will freeze quite a bit. But I know they are planning to do this for most if not all of the Home games for the Pride this season if not on the road some as well. Here is the link and enjoy..... http://www.ustream.tv/gcpride

Narch (Nartch) is gonna love this one.......another Pride "Instant Classic"

Gullett - I noticed from your address that you are an employee of Greensboro College. Dude....you guys play in a place called "Hanes".

Haynes is a brand of underwear!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2007, 05:20:07 PM
Aside from busting Gullet's chops...


GREAT win for the PRIDE last night! Congrats on beating the #3 team! I didn't get to see GC play at the CNU Classic over the weekend, but I heard that they are a very solid team this year.....and I think CNU opens conference play with GC....yikes!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on November 29, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
Maybe there was standing room only in his "Haynes"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 07:47:49 PM
Friends, I have an internet technical question.

The audio stream is steady and great quality on the G'boro-Guilford game.

My question is about the video stream.  My signal is choppy.  I only get small  snippets of continuous action coming over my DSL line.

What does that sound like to y'all?  A buffering problem?

BTW, great game!  I agree. The game needs to be on campus!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on November 29, 2007, 08:43:52 PM
Oh well so i messed up!!! It happens
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 29, 2007, 09:42:26 PM
Hornets win again. (http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1827)  Typical SU game, OnyieO and JLawrence leading the blah blah blah (insert any one of the past 6 game recaps here).  Last week I was starting to wonder if SU even needs a bus.  Just put those two in a car and toss in any other three random guys from the roster and make the trip...   ;D

Tonight was somewhat different - and refreshing - the hornets went to the bench and got everybody into the game.  Backup point guard Nick Brown put in 25 minutes and a solid game for SU.  I'd wonder if the coaches would trade his lack of turnovers and 8 points for Adams' turnovers and 15 points a game...  coaches worked everybody in, but I really liked #24 (new guy).  He hustles and isn't afraid to shoot.  He will be a good player down the road. 

SU kind of walked through the first half and then rolled to a 30 point lead and topped it off with a thunderous alley-oop dunk from Mike Curtis  - brought the crowd to their feet. Most excitement I've seen in a while in Shingleton Gym.

SU has played a pretty weak schedule so far...  going to get much tougher, but good to see the guys getting some wins.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2007, 10:02:07 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 29, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
Maybe there was standing room only in his "Haynes"

that was good!! +1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 01, 2007, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2007, 07:47:49 PM
Friends, I have an internet technical question.

The audio stream is steady and great quality on the G'boro-Guilford game.

My question is about the video stream.  My signal is choppy.  I only get small  snippets of continuous action coming over my DSL line.

What does that sound like to y'all?  A buffering problem?

BTW, great game!  I agree. The game needs to be on campus!

sounds like slow DSL to me...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 01, 2007, 04:59:17 PM
Hornets with another solid outing (http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1830), knocking off Lycoming by 10.  Coach Harris really has this group playing well together - 5 guys in double digit scoring.  Today's bright spot was Lamar Bentley coming off the bench to put in 15 points in only 15 minutes of play.  Onyie had another outstanding performance, even though it might not show up in the boxscore (11 pts., 9 rbs., 2 steals).  JLawrence had a quiet 13, but he was matched up with some bigger guys and still played very well.  I think we'll see his stats drop a bit from last year (with Onyie back), but at 6-1 I'm sure he could care less...  Lycoming's #32 was one of the best big men SU has played against so far and JLawrence played him well.  SU still had 16 turnovers and needs to protect the ball more, but the best line of the night was epitomized by Stevie Johns.  He was a perfect 7 for 7 at the line while SU shot 79% as a team - a HUGE improvement over last year.

I'm still not 100% sold on this squad, but they are playing hard and making plays.  Harris has them all on the same page and we'll see what they are made of over the next few weeks. They play Shippensburg (DII)  this week, so it should be a good test. 

Keep it rolling Hornets!   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 02, 2007, 12:11:21 PM
Narch,

Is this subdued enough  for you?   :D

QuoteFriday:
Good game for my Lions vs. Catholic ... great comeback.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2007/11/30/11_30_07_mbball.asp?path=mbball

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/stats/cua-pc.htm

Saturday:
Speaking of strength of schedule, NC Wesleyan is one of the best teams I've seen during my time at Piedmont. They are big, quick and talented ... shot the ball pretty well too. No excuses ... Kudos to NCW. They killed us on the glass and from behind the 3 point line ... deadly combination. I thought we actually played pretty well, we just got "out-talented" in this one.

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/Mens_Basketball/2007-08/news/6pc.htm

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/stats/ncwm1201.htm

http://www.piedmontlions.com/News/mbball/2007/12/1/12_01_07_mbball.asp?path=mbball

Bright spots for the w/e ...
*Rocky Mt is a great place to visit ... friendliest people you'll ever meet.
*Chuck McCoy stepped up big ... played really well in stretches.
* Baldwin and Green made the all tourney team.
* Special shout out to SID Rich. She puts on a well run event ... she could conduct a seminar on running an official scorer's table. And check out their media guide online ... first class organization.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 02, 2007, 03:01:03 PM
I see Roanoke knocked off VWC yesterday.  SU's lone loss this year was to the Maroons.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 02, 2007, 10:32:45 PM
who then lost by 15 today to Randy Mac...    :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on December 03, 2007, 12:19:41 PM
Question for the technically inclined ...

Does anyone know if there is a way to link to a PDF file on your own hard drive and have it open up here in PDF format?

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 03, 2007, 06:08:33 PM
If the Hornets manage to beat Frostburg tonight, then I believe it would be the most consecutive wins for Shenandoah in almost two decades... 

Won't make it to the game tonight - which is a shame because it seems every time we play Frostburg, regardless of each team's record, it is always a bit of a skirmish.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 04, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 03, 2007, 12:19:41 PM
Question for the technically inclined ...

Does anyone know if there is a way to link to a PDF file on your own hard drive and have it open up here in PDF format?

Thanks
that option used to be available, but i haven't seen it in a while...you could always host the .pdf file on a site like freewebs.com and then link to that site...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 04, 2007, 01:43:51 PM
Quote from: old_lion on December 03, 2007, 12:19:41 PM
Question for the technically inclined ...

Does anyone know if there is a way to link to a PDF file on your own hard drive and have it open up here in PDF format?

Thanks

You'd have to set up your machine as a web server with a fixed IP address.  Not technically hard to do, but totally problematic from a security point of view.  Securing any web server is pretty hard to do. 
Narch's approach is much better.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 04, 2007, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2007, 10:02:07 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 29, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
Maybe there was standing room only in his "Haynes"

that was good!! +1
If you attend a school, you pass by the building signs on a daily basis.  After, oh say, a dozen times, you should remember them.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2007, 06:00:36 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 04, 2007, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2007, 10:02:07 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 29, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
Maybe there was standing room only in his "Haynes"

that was good!! +1
If you attend a school, you pass by the building signs on a daily basis.  After, oh say, a dozen times, you should remember them.  :)

and after watching the commercial again last night, I stand corrected...the underwear is spelled the same as the gym...Hanes....

So, I don't know what Haynes is/are/was.

Can you tell CNU is not playing another home game until Dec 9th?!? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 05, 2007, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 04, 2007, 06:00:36 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 04, 2007, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2007, 10:02:07 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on November 29, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
Maybe there was standing room only in his "Haynes"

that was good!! +1
If you attend a school, you pass by the building signs on a daily basis.  After, oh say, a dozen times, you should remember them.  :)

and after watching the commercial again last night, I stand corrected...the underwear is spelled the same as the gym...Hanes....

So, I don't know what Haynes is/are/was.

Can you tell CNU is not playing another home game until Dec 9th?!? ;D

CNU85-
    Haynes is the furniture company located on Jefferson Ave in Newport News, across from POMOCO.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 04:25:53 PM
Ahhh, that's right RTT. How could I forget. I think this weekend they are having a sales of alifetime, never to be seen again prices....until next weeekend.  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 05, 2007, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 04:25:53 PM
Ahhh, that's right RTT. How could I forget. I think this weekend they are having a sales of alifetime, never to be seen again prices....until next weeekend.  :D :D

no, no, no... wait, isn't it the "Going Out of Business Liquidation Sale - Everything must go." They have one once a month.  You know, it always comes on right before the Lowell "The Hammer" Stanley comercial...   1-800-GET-CASH  ;D 

If I ever need personal law in funchester I'm sending for "The Hammer" in my private plane. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 08:28:38 PM
whew....the loooooong CNU season continues......just dropped one to RMC by 16...they were down by 20+. I came home, turned on the computer and CNU was down by 10. I take a shower and when I come back to the computer, CNU is down by 21.

As I said on the ODAC board.....in this game CNU was beaten like they were rented mules!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 05, 2007, 08:56:45 PM
there is a store i drive by on my way to work every day that has had a "going out of business" sale for over 3 years...

the monarchs got HAMMERED by guilford tonight, 74-48 - they shot 29% from the floor and 21% from 3 - they were out rebounded 58-32, they had 3 more to's than assists, they had were only 7-11 from the ft line...just an ugly, ugly game for the monarchs - tough night...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 05, 2007, 09:15:50 PM
Averett outscored Apprentice School 15-4 in the last 5:30 to win 76-70 in Danville
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: narch on December 05, 2007, 08:56:45 PM
there is a store i drive by on my way to work every day that has had a "going out of business" sale for over 3 years...

the monarchs got HAMMERED by guilford tonight, 74-48 - they shot 29% from the floor and 21% from 3 - they were out rebounded 58-32, they had 3 more to's than assists, they had were only 7-11 from the ft line...just an ugly, ugly game for the monarchs - tough night...

now you know what it's like to be a rented mule!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: nnasid on December 05, 2007, 09:15:50 PM
Averett outscored Apprentice School 15-4 in the last 5:30 to win 76-70 in Danville

Ouch...another close loss. If CNU was on the NNA schedule, I think NNA would take it! Seems like you have a decent team this year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 05, 2007, 09:26:47 PM
Like I said when we beat them right after Thanksgiving...these next three (actually four) games will be big.

L at Averett
Saturday at #9 VWC
Monday at VMI
12/15 at D2 Flagler

Definitely as athletic as we have been in a few years..probably going back to the championship teams we had in the early 2000s.  Averaging 18 steals per game right now (17.6)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: nnasid on December 05, 2007, 09:26:47 PM
Like I said when we beat them right after Thanksgiving...these next three (actually four) games will be big.

L at Averett
Saturday at #9 VWC
Monday at VMI
12/15 at D2 Flagler

Definitely as athletic as we have been in a few years..probably going back to the championship teams we had in the early 2000s.  Averaging 18 steals per game right now (17.6)

I'm ignorant to the NNA program. What championships are you talking about?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 05, 2007, 09:38:01 PM
United States Collegiate Athletic Association
(www.theuscaa.com)
Apprentice School is the national office for this association
A few teams you would've heard of...I'll be honest quite a few you wouldn't have.

Our men won their titles in 2001-02 and 2002-03 and took third in 2003-04
Our women won titles in 2000-01 and 2001-02 and second in 2002-03

01-02: we both were 23-5
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 09:42:33 PM
Got it!

Like the USCAA National Championship Baseball Team!!

My son played High School JV baseball with a couple of those guys! Heck, I helped coach 2 of them in a tournament when they were 14. I have the championship trophy in my office! My son's is in his room!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 05, 2007, 09:45:38 PM
BINGO
a tournament that we are co-hosting with the Peninsula Pilots in May.

There are some provisional d3's in the association (spalding, st. joseph's-brooklyn to name two).

But onto more interesting things...the fish are next..then march into Lexington   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 09:48:20 PM
cool...I might come watch a game or two. Gotta cheer the ex-Menchville players!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 06, 2007, 08:55:57 PM
SU chalks up another win 76-68 at Shippensburg (DII).  Same story as always, just good to see the Hornets able to play against a much larger team. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 07, 2007, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 05, 2007, 09:48:20 PM
cool...I might come watch a game or two. Gotta cheer the ex-Menchville players!

Hey atleast they are winning!! I wonder how many people will show up Sunday afternoon for a 2 pm home game??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 08, 2007, 07:23:57 PM
I'll be there
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
That crowd of 784 was in full swing today!! At least the Captains finally win a game!! Great game to watch, they finally played like they were capable of. Shot very well from all over the court and Conley Taylor has been a man the last two games scoring 19 and 23, respectively, in the last two outtings.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 09, 2007, 06:59:28 PM
What I like about Taylor is he knows when to go up strong and when to use a soft touch.

RTT - We passed each other on Warwick Blvd before the game. You drive like my mother!! ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 09, 2007, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
That crowd of 784 was in full swing today!! At least the Captains finally win a game!! Great game to watch, they finally played like they were capable of. Shot very well from all over the court and Conley Taylor has been a man the last two games scoring 19 and 23, respectively, in the last two outtings.

RTT...Im sure the big 3 were not fun to be around with the 0-5 start (ross, waters, woollum)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 10, 2007, 09:51:59 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 09, 2007, 06:59:28 PM
What I like about Taylor is he knows when to go up strong and when to use a soft touch.

RTT - We passed each other on Warwick Blvd before the game. You drive like my mother!! ;D :D

Yeah I was taking my time, I really was in no hurry to get to see an 0-5 team!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 02:13:50 PM
Quote from: nnasid on December 09, 2007, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
That crowd of 784 was in full swing today!! At least the Captains finally win a game!! Great game to watch, they finally played like they were capable of. Shot very well from all over the court and Conley Taylor has been a man the last two games scoring 19 and 23, respectively, in the last two outtings.

RTT...Im sure the big 3 were not fun to be around with the 0-5 start (ross, waters, woollum)

HA! Before the game I passed Waters...he nodded and grunted at me. If CNU was 5-0 going into the game, he would have given me an autographed ball!!  ;D :D

Actually - Waters is one of the nicest, if not THE nicest guy, I've ever had the privelege to meet!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Uncle Jessie on December 11, 2007, 02:54:54 PM
I noticed that Shenandoah received 8 votes in the recent top 25 ;D. It got me thinking. Can anyone tell me when the last time a SU men's team received votes for the top 25? I have not yet been able to see the Hornets in person but have been listing to most of the games on the radio. I hate to admit it but I'm not as caught up with the basketball program as I would like to be. Do you all think this 8-1 Hornet team is the real deal or do you all see things leveling off once conference play starts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 03:20:49 PM
NNASID and RTT,

Who would win this game....CNU vs Bethel High? Did you guys read the paper today about Bethel? Wow, 3 transfers over 6'7" and all D1 signees!! Plus the team was loaded even before the transfers!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 06:29:34 PM
Hey - I spoke to Captj the other night at the game. He has submitted his request for a sign on name to rejoin us! He said he would behave a little better!  :D

Hopefully, Pat will allow him back in.....we'll see if the bridge wasn't scorched too badly.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 11, 2007, 09:01:23 PM
captj returning???...all is right with the world

what do you guys think of the assists record set by the grinnell player the other night?  there's a pretty heated discussion on the daily dose...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 11, 2007, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jessie on December 11, 2007, 02:54:54 PM
I noticed that Shenandoah received 8 votes in the recent top 25 ;D. It got me thinking. Can anyone tell me when the last time a SU men's team received votes for the top 25? I have not yet been able to see the Hornets in person but have been listing to most of the games on the radio. I hate to admit it but I'm not as caught up with the basketball program as I would like to be. Do you all think this 8-1 Hornet team is the real deal or do you all see things leveling off once conference play starts.

We will know next week when Guilford comes to town.  If that is a close game, then SU can compete.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 11, 2007, 10:18:48 PM
Quote from: narch on December 11, 2007, 09:01:23 PM
what do you guys think of the assists record set by the grinnell player the other night?  there's a pretty heated discussion on the daily dose...

It's kind of a joke.  I read the blog yesterday and was laughing...  but I do have to at least give the coach some credit for having the balls to post.  THAT is impressive, the record is not.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 11, 2007, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 03:20:49 PM
Who would win this game....CNU vs Bethel High? Did you guys read the paper today about Bethel? Wow, 3 transfers over 6'7" and all D1 signees!! Plus the team was loaded even before the transfers!!

Is Iverson bankrolling the team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 11, 2007, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 11, 2007, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: Uncle Jessie on December 11, 2007, 02:54:54 PM
I noticed that Shenandoah received 8 votes in the recent top 25 ;D. It got me thinking. Can anyone tell me when the last time a SU men's team received votes for the top 25? I have not yet been able to see the Hornets in person but have been listing to most of the games on the radio. I hate to admit it but I'm not as caught up with the basketball program as I would like to be. Do you all think this 8-1 Hornet team is the real deal or do you all see things leveling off once conference play starts.

We will know next week when Guilford comes to town.  If that is a close game, then SU can compete.
I attended the SU/Guilford game last winter in Greensboro and the Hornets played fairly well in a loss.  A quick look at who they've beaten, however, shows a lot of teams below .500.  As SU97 said, we'll see Monday night ... wish I could be there, but I'll listen on the net.   Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 12, 2007, 09:43:32 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 02:13:50 PM
Quote from: nnasid on December 09, 2007, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 09, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
That crowd of 784 was in full swing today!! At least the Captains finally win a game!! Great game to watch, they finally played like they were capable of. Shot very well from all over the court and Conley Taylor has been a man the last two games scoring 19 and 23, respectively, in the last two outtings.

RTT...Im sure the big 3 were not fun to be around with the 0-5 start (ross, waters, woollum)

HA! Before the game I passed Waters...he nodded and grunted at me. If CNU was 5-0 going into the game, he would have given me an autographed ball!!  ;D :D

Actually - Waters is one of the nicest, if not THE nicest guy, I've ever had the privelege to meet!

Have known Waters for many years...was student SID there when he played even going back to playing church youth softball against each other.  You are on the money there with him
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 12, 2007, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 03:20:49 PM
NNASID and RTT,

Who would win this game....CNU vs Bethel High? Did you guys read the paper today about Bethel? Wow, 3 transfers over 6'7" and all D1 signees!! Plus the team was loaded even before the transfers!!

I'll step out of that one as I havent seen a CNU game yet this year ... and with my mother right now (with parkinsons) I have been staying with her while Dad goes there to do the shot clock.
Chances are I wont see a game unless its taking his place at a game when I dont have one here
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on December 12, 2007, 10:33:33 AM
nnasid - hang in there. My mother-in-law took care of my wife's Dad who had Parkinson's and dementia for too many years. It's telling on the caregiver so take time for yourself.

You must be pleased with your team. They seem to be playing well these days.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 12, 2007, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on December 12, 2007, 10:33:33 AM
nnasid - hang in there. My mother-in-law took care of my wife's Dad who had Parkinson's and dementia for too many years. It's telling on the caregiver so take time for yourself.

You must be pleased with your team. They seem to be playing well these days.

Thanks JWW....dad's the one that needs the break even more than me as he's doing everything now..that's why I go over when we dont play so he can go to CNU games and do the shot clock.

We're playing well....gave VMI fits the other night after the big one at the Fish Tank.  We have Flagler (d2), Johnson & Wales (NAIA/USCAA), Wentworth and Goucher before break and come back with Greensboro....this will be a good run.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 12, 2007, 11:54:46 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 11, 2007, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 03:20:49 PM
Who would win this game....CNU vs Bethel High? Did you guys read the paper today about Bethel? Wow, 3 transfers over 6'7" and all D1 signees!! Plus the team was loaded even before the transfers!!

Is Iverson bankrolling the team?

Could be...they won last night 99-28. I might have to head back to my alma mater to catch a high school hoops game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2007, 12:00:13 AM
Quote from: nnasid on December 12, 2007, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on December 12, 2007, 10:33:33 AM
nnasid - hang in there. My mother-in-law took care of my wife's Dad who had Parkinson's and dementia for too many years. It's telling on the caregiver so take time for yourself.

You must be pleased with your team. They seem to be playing well these days.

Thanks JWW....dad's the one that needs the break even more than me as he's doing everything now..that's why I go over when we dont play so he can go to CNU games and do the shot clock.



Good son. So that's your dad on the clock? Cool.

I used to give my parents every Friday night out when I was in high school and college. My grandmother was with us and not well. I used to push the washing machine to block the back door (she would get out and fall down the steps). Then I would sit and watch TV in the den where I could see the front door. One night I made brownies in a glass pan and set on top of the stove. She turned on a burner when I wasn't looking. Next thing I knew, huge explosion in the kitchen. Burnt glass everywhere. We had to get a new kitchen floor. Hang in there and keep giving Dad some breaks. You'll be glad in the long run that you helped out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 13, 2007, 09:32:31 AM
Dad has been doing the clock there since I graduated in 1991
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2007, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: narch on December 11, 2007, 09:01:23 PM
captj returning???...all is right with the world

what do you guys think of the assists record set by the grinnell player the other night?  there's a pretty heated discussion on the daily dose...

Don't think it's gonna happen. He's tried twice to get signed up. I guess the bridge was beyond scorched....nuked maybe?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on December 13, 2007, 11:34:28 AM
Bethel lost to Warwick last night.... those 3 D1 transfers you spoke of aren't really all that. I think CNU would handle them.

Quote from: CNU85 on December 12, 2007, 11:54:46 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 11, 2007, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 11, 2007, 03:20:49 PM
Who would win this game....CNU vs Bethel High? Did you guys read the paper today about Bethel? Wow, 3 transfers over 6'7" and all D1 signees!! Plus the team was loaded even before the transfers!!

Is Iverson bankrolling the team?

Could be...they won last night 99-28. I might have to head back to my alma mater to catch a high school hoops game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2007, 04:49:35 PM
Yeah....I saw they got beat. Wow, I wan't expecting that. Hey - maybe the D1 schools will revoke their scholarship offers and those guys end up at CNU!!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 14, 2007, 10:36:47 AM
Hey Narch:  Any chance you'll make it down to Murvul tomorrow? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 15, 2007, 04:18:50 PM
Sounded like the mass cold front we're expecting tonight decided to hit Fredericksburg early in the second half in the form of SU's 30% shooting...  what a horrible game today.  Mary Wash shoot the lights out from 3-point range in the second half. There was a point between the 15 minute mark and the 10 minute mark that UMW scored 19 uncontested points...  SU went from leading by 12 to finding themselves down by 7.  Game over.  If SU plays like that Monday, then Guilford is going to put up 150 points. 

SU got the usual out of JLawrence (23 points, 11 boards) and Onyie (15 points and 7 rebounds) but really needed one of the guards to step up and hit some 3's during that UMW run.

Coach got tossed out in the second half, but it sounded like the game was already over.

Guilford on Monday...  not sure how I feel about that now.



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 15, 2007, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 15, 2007, 04:18:50 PM
... Guilford on Monday...  not sure how I feel about that now.

Maybe the team just got bit by the Road in Fredericksburg.  That's what I'm concerned about too.  Sounds like Guilford will face a hungry Shenandoah team at SU on Monday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 15, 2007, 11:56:05 PM
Well Narch your guys kept hanging around but couldn't get close enough to make it scary. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 16, 2007, 10:50:45 AM
MU's coach seems to forsee some additions to the USASouth.  Y'all sure you're ready?

http://thedailytimes.com/article/20071216/SPORTS/705793521
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on December 16, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
I was at that game yesterday, what about you SU97? Coach Harris didn't really deserve to get tossed out like that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bbsquared on December 16, 2007, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on December 16, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
I was at that game yesterday, what about you SU97? Coach Harris didn't really deserve to get tossed out like that.
I was there also, but when Harris blew up some comments were directed at the ref and he T'd him up. I spoke to some of the people/players on that side and they siad he was getting pretty verbally demonstrative. The 6 FT's that UMW made really changed the game's complexion.

On the good side, Lawrence and the guards were as good as was advertised. If Lawrence keeps his head, he is an unreal force underneath for his height. He definitely has some hop!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 17, 2007, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on December 16, 2007, 03:16:11 PM
I was at that game yesterday, what about you SU97? Coach Harris didn't really deserve to get tossed out like that.
Wasn't there, just listened on the radio.  But in a way I was glad to hear that he got tossed out.  I know that sounds crazy, but a few times this year SU has been up by so much that coach has been very quiet and just sitting on the bench.  Not usually his style.  This tells me that he's fired up and I have to think that the kids see that. I was afraid SU could become soft, and that's no good heading into conference play. 

Big game tonight.  Looking forward to watching Ben Strong play.  I heard so much about him last year from the coaches that I really want to see him play in person.  Good luck to the Hornets tonight - hope santa comes early this year and gives SU a little "w" this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 17, 2007, 09:11:01 PM
Let me just say, Ben Strong is just as good as advertised.  That guy is amazing.  I couldn't keep track of how many times I thought SU had him pinned down and then he would just pull some crazy touch shot and next thing you knw he's at the line completing a 3 point play.  I see why he's an All-American. Hasanova, you have got to be VERY excited about GC-Q's ODAC run this year.  I was extremely impressed by your squad - you could tell that they are very well coached and have a bunch of competitors.  Those guys never gave up and came back to grab the lead late in the game. 

but...  SU squeaked out one of the best games I've seen at Shingleton Gym in a long time.  I figured SU would leave strong alone and concentrate on the rest of GC-Q.  Instead, JLawrence and Onyie doubled the big man every time down the floor.  Surprising.  SU got everything out of Stevie Johns in the first haf, I'm curious to see what kind of numbers he put up.  Without his first half performance, SU would have lost.  I'm sure on the box score they got the usual from JLawrence and Onyie, but got some key outside shooting down the stretch from Adams, the artist formerly known as Robertson and Bentley.

Congrats to the Hornets!  Glad to see Coach Harris and the Hornets with some fire in their play.  Maybe the UMW loss was good for the team.

 



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 18, 2007, 07:59:26 AM
great win for su - gcq is now 1-2 in the usasac :)

just saw that the captains lost to lynchburg...kinda surprising, to say the least...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on December 18, 2007, 09:02:06 AM
For those of you who are as old as I am, SU's #4, Jeremiah Lawrence reminded me a lot of Al White who played along side Phil Dixon in the early 90s when they were coached by Dave Dutton. Great win for SU and a well-coached game by Coach Harris.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 18, 2007, 09:23:50 AM
Quote from: SU97 on December 17, 2007, 09:11:01 PM
Let me just say, Ben Strong is just as good as advertised.  That guy is amazing.  I couldn't keep track of how many times I thought SU had him pinned down and then he would just pull some crazy touch shot and next thing you knw he's at the line completing a 3 point play.  I see why he's an All-American. Hasanova, you have got to be VERY excited about GC-Q's ODAC run this year.  I was extremely impressed by your squad - you could tell that they are very well coached and have a bunch of competitors.  Those guys never gave up and came back to grab the lead late in the game. 

but...  SU squeaked out one of the best games I've seen at Shingleton Gym in a long time.  I figured SU would leave strong alone and concentrate on the rest of GC-Q.  Instead, JLawrence and Onyie doubled the big man every time down the floor.  Surprising.  SU got everything out of Stevie Johns in the first haf, I'm curious to see what kind of numbers he put up.  Without his first half performance, SU would have lost.  I'm sure on the box score they got the usual from JLawrence and Onyie, but got some key outside shooting down the stretch from Adams, the artist formerly known as Robertson and Bentley.

Congrats to the Hornets!  Glad to see Coach Harris and the Hornets with some fire in their play.  Maybe the UMW loss was good for the team.
Thanks.  A great win for SU, but a game GC could have won.  Their Achilles' heels are three-point shooting and turnovers.  I was worried about this game and I was right!  Ben is a great player, but basketball's a team game - some of the other guys have got to hit some outside shots!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 18, 2007, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on December 18, 2007, 09:02:06 AM
For those of you who are as old as I am, SU's #4, Jeremiah Lawrence reminded me a lot of Al White  who played along side Phil Dixon in the early 90s when they were coached by Dave Dutton. Great win for SU and a well-coached game by Coach Harris.
I can't think of a better complement given to Jeremiah than that. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 18, 2007, 10:29:17 AM
Quote from: SU97 on December 18, 2007, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on December 18, 2007, 09:02:06 AM
For those of you who are as old as I am, SU's #4, Jeremiah Lawrence reminded me a lot of Al White  who played along side Phil Dixon in the early 90s when they were coached by Dave Dutton. Great win for SU and a well-coached game by Coach Harris.
I can't think of a better complement given to Jeremiah than that. 

For those who remember that dynamite duo (from the CNU side of the old CNU-SU trackmeets - oops - bball games then) amen to that.....He was a beast
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 18, 2007, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: narch on December 18, 2007, 07:59:26 AM
great win for su - gcq is now 1-2 in the usasac :)

just saw that the captains lost to lynchburg...kinda surprising, to say the least...

nah.....this is gonna be a brutal year for CNU fans. I'm ready...I've got my alligator skin and armour ready....start beating me now!! I can take it! Have fun with it....CNWho?

:D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 18, 2007, 12:22:54 PM
Quote from: narch on December 18, 2007, 07:59:26 AM
great win for su - gcq is now 1-2 in the usasac :)

just saw that the captains lost to lynchburg...kinda surprising, to say the least...

well both teams were 1-5 going in to the game...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 18, 2007, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 18, 2007, 12:22:54 PMwell both teams were 1-5 going in to the game...

yes...but i think that 99% of south region basketball fans would have thought that cnu would win, despite an identical record coming in, but that's why you play the games
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 18, 2007, 01:51:09 PM
su97 - are you starting to believe in your hornets yet?

i told you in the preseason that they'd be good, but you didn't believe me :) - having johns and onyie o back is huge for them...at this point, i'm thinking they have to be a favorite in the usasac

i just hope my monarchs don't go into a cnu-like tailspin after lopsided losses to gcq and m'ville
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on December 18, 2007, 03:37:46 PM
The funny part about SU is they have a very,very talented transfer coming next semester. I say they are a lock to win the USA South.  When it rain it pours for the Hornets this year. This kid could be the glue so those games like Mary Washington won't happen. Good luck for the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 13, 2007, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: narch on December 11, 2007, 09:01:23 PM
captj returning???...all is right with the world

what do you guys think of the assists record set by the grinnell player the other night?  there's a pretty heated discussion on the daily dose...

Don't think it's gonna happen. He's tried twice to get signed up. I guess the bridge was beyond scorched....nuked maybe?

We only disapprove spammers. Has he set his e-mail to receive messages from d3football.com as registration instructions state, checked his spam folder, sent us an e-mail for help or done anything other than complain via proxy on this board I haven't read in three weeks?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 18, 2007, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: narch on December 18, 2007, 01:51:09 PM
su97 - are you starting to believe in your hornets yet?

Never stopped believing. 

cue the Rocky soundtrack...  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 18, 2007, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on December 18, 2007, 03:37:46 PM
The funny part about SU is they have a very,very talented transfer coming next semester. I say they are a lock to win the USA South.  When it rain it pours for the Hornets this year. This kid could be the glue so those games like Mary Washington won't happen. Good luck for the rest of the conference.

Nothing is ever a lock.  SU started with a 7-2 season two years ago...  then went 1-11 in conference. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 18, 2007, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2007, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 13, 2007, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: narch on December 11, 2007, 09:01:23 PM
captj returning???...all is right with the world

what do you guys think of the assists record set by the grinnell player the other night?  there's a pretty heated discussion on the daily dose...

Don't think it's gonna happen. He's tried twice to get signed up. I guess the bridge was beyond scorched....nuked maybe?

We only disapprove spammers. Has he set his e-mail to receive messages from d3football.com as registration instructions state, checked his spam folder, sent us an e-mail for help or done anything other than complain via proxy on this board I haven't read in three weeks?

Probably not.....too complicated for him!!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on December 18, 2007, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: narch on December 18, 2007, 07:59:26 AM
great win for su - gcq is now 1-2 in the usasac :)

just saw that the captains lost to lynchburg...kinda surprising, to say the least...

C'mon, gimme a break.  Guilford is 2-2 against USASAC, right?  (I'm not bragging!) Won over Methodist and NC Wesleyan, and lost to Greensboro and Shenandoah.  Those are all USASAC schools, or straighten me out, and thanks.

USA South doesn't look like an easy conference to me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 18, 2007, 08:38:48 PM
Quote from: sludge on December 18, 2007, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: narch on December 18, 2007, 07:59:26 AM
great win for su - gcq is now 1-2 in the usasac :)

just saw that the captains lost to lynchburg...kinda surprising, to say the least...

C'mon, gimme a break.  Guilford is 2-2 against USASAC, right?  (I'm not bragging!) Won over Methodist and NC Wesleyan, and lost to Greensboro and Shenandoah.  Those are all USASAC schools, or straighten me out, and thanks.

USA South doesn't look like an easy conference to me.
Narch, my friend, I believe my other friend sludge gets the thumbs up on this point.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 18, 2007, 09:29:58 PM
'doh...forgot about the gcq win over ncwc...wish i could forget about the gcq win over the monarchs :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 18, 2007, 10:23:08 PM
Quote from: narch on December 18, 2007, 09:29:58 PM
'doh...forgot about the gcq win over ncwc...wish i could forget about the gcq win over the monarchs :)
That's OK, I'm also trying to forget the SU and GCP wins over the Quakers!  I think this was (is) a season the Quakers should step on the court expecting to win every time.  If they could cut down on a few turnovers and hit a three every once in a while, they couldashouldawoulda been 6-0!  ... but we all know how that game's played!  lol  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 04:18:50 PM
Looks like conference play should be fun ! Hope everyone has a great holiday and a Merry Christmas !  Players.... dont get fat and slow during the break puhleaze....... ! maybe even pick up a basketball, run work out.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 04:30:18 PM
Pat,
I know been strong is special and D3 player of the year of what not.... but would it have KILLED you to say Shenandoah wins?  it could have read

Shenandoah wins big game against the Quakers as"Ben Strong scored 22 points and had 13 rebounds and Guilford outrebounded Shenandoah 42-30, but the Quakers lost on the road 64-62. Monday night's men's scores"

just a little hornet love is all...... LOL
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 19, 2007, 05:28:08 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 04:30:18 PMI know been strong is special and D3 player of the year of what not....
Actually, he has not only been strong, but still is Ben Strong.  Again, it was a very nice win by the Hornets.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
 ;D  God i hate it when i type too fast......... BEN Strong is a great player....... not sure he is mr NBA, but very nice.......

I just wanted more love for my hornets on page one !
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 19, 2007, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
;D  God i hate it when i type too fast......... BEN Strong is a great player....... not sure he is mr NBA, but very nice.......

I just wanted more love for my hornets on page one !
No problem.  You'll find I have a bit of a dry wit about the things folks type ... and that includes what I type as well.  :)  I think Ben will get a tryout and might even get a year or two in Europe for further development.  First karma for you ... welcome to the board.  Peace 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:08:23 PM
Man, y'all are talking like the season has already started. When does CNU open the season??  :D ;) :D ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:08:23 PM
Man, y'all are talking like the season has already started. When does CNU open the season??  :D ;) :D ;D :D
Nah, you're just spotting everyone a few games to make it a fair fight!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 03:50:29 PM
yeah development and europe good places for mr strong,,, and dont get me wrong,,,, id take 8 of him at SU...... he is just not ready for the likes of the NBA. Hes grown what 4 inches since freshman year, give him a chance to grow skill wise into that body....then watch out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
85....
how your captains looking? Clarence getting em ready for conference play?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:56:58 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
85....
how your captains looking? Clarence getting em ready for conference play?

yeah, they're getting ready....not sure for what!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 03:57:35 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 03:50:29 PMyeah development and europe good places for mr strong,,, and dont get me wrong,,,, id take 8 of him at SU...... he is just not ready for the likes of the NBA. Hes grown what 4 inches since freshman year, give him a chance to grow skill wise into that body....then watch out.
I think Ben's height has grown maybe 2 inches and his weight is up about 20 pounds ... but his skill level from his 1st year at Guilford to now has grown, literally and figuratively, by leaps and bounds!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:08:23 PM
Man, y'all are talking like the season has already started. When does CNU open the season??  :D ;) :D ;D :D
Nah, you're just spotting everyone a few games to make it a fair fight!  :)

CNU needs to go 12-6 the rest of the way in order not to have a losing season!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 20, 2007, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 03:50:29 PM
yeah development and europe good places for mr strong,,, and dont get me wrong,,,, id take 8 of him at SU...... he is just not ready for the likes of the NBA. Hes grown what 4 inches since freshman year, give him a chance to grow skill wise into that body....then watch out.

strong was 6'10", 6'9" at worst, when he got to Guilford...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 04:05:16 PM
tell him to take it easy... we open up against each other the 15th at your place i am thinking... cant seem to find a schedule........  hope none of em come back fat and lazeeeeey after the break.....

Merry Christmas. !
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 20, 2007, 04:49:39 PM
I've been waiting for you, obnoxioussufan2. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:08:23 PM
Man, y'all are talking like the season has already started. When does CNU open the season??  :D ;) :D ;D :D
Nah, you're just spotting everyone a few games to make it a fair fight!  :)

CNU needs to go 12-6 the rest of the way in order not to have a losing season!!!!
See!  I love it when a well-crafted master plan comes together!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 06:08:22 PM
we will soon see how the learned pupil performs.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 06:11:45 PM
coaches talk about his growth spurt.... a kid with his skills was probably shorter when he was recruited though....... else he would have recieved d2 or d1 money. and dont believe what the media guy..... ours prolly says Musa is 6 foot.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 03:08:23 PM
Man, y'all are talking like the season has already started. When does CNU open the season??  :D ;) :D ;D :D
Nah, you're just spotting everyone a few games to make it a fair fight!  :)

CNU needs to go 12-6 the rest of the way in order not to have a losing season!!!!
See!  I love it when a well-crafted master plan comes together!  :)

12-5
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 20, 2007, 09:28:57 PM
Dang....just looked at stats of the CNU/CMU game. So many negatives...ugghhhh....We need more than 6 pts from Baker in a game. Davon can't do it by himself! Outrebounded 51-30

uugghhhh

a new guy on roster....got 6 pts put in 12 minutes....will be interesting the rest of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 20, 2007, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 06:11:45 PM
coaches talk about his growth spurt.... a kid with his skills was probably shorter when he was recruited though....... else he would have recieved d2 or d1 money. and dont believe what the media guy..... ours prolly says Musa is 6 foot.....
i met ben strong in the spring of his senior year, after his senior basketball season...and he was at least 6'9", probably 6'10" - the growth he has experienced has been on the court, not in stature - if any coach tells you he's grown 4 inches since he's been at guilford, they're simply wrong
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 20, 2007, 11:35:45 PM
Quote from: narch on December 20, 2007, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 20, 2007, 06:11:45 PM
coaches talk about his growth spurt.... a kid with his skills was probably shorter when he was recruited though....... else he would have recieved d2 or d1 money. and dont believe what the media guy..... ours prolly says Musa is 6 foot.....
i met ben strong in the spring of his senior year, after his senior basketball season...and he was at least 6'9", probably 6'10" - the growth he has experienced has been on the court, not in stature - if any coach tells you he's grown 4 inches since he's been at guilford, they're simply wrong
bingo
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 21, 2007, 05:06:17 PM
ok got it..... i dont care....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 21, 2007, 06:55:09 PM
I don't know how Dave Walters runs the Sports Info operation down in Guilford, but up here in Lynchburg we require every athlete to fill out a sports info sheet in which they put their height and various other attributes.  That's the height we use on the roster, well unless someone clearly puts a fallacious variable, then we change it, but we've also never had that happen to my knowledge. Before we've actually had to refuse a coach's request to inflate heights on the online roster by a couple inches, because if player A says they are 6'0" then they are 6'0" and not 6'2".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
;D  God i hate it when i type too fast......... BEN Strong is a great player....... not sure he is mr NBA, but very nice.......

I just wanted more love for my hornets on page one !

Shenandoah Wins was the story in the game against Houston Baptist but I think everyone kinda understands that Guilford Loses was the news in that game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 07:59:53 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 21, 2007, 06:55:09 PM
I don't know how Dave Walters runs the Sports Info operation down in Guilford, but up here in Lynchburg we require every athlete to fill out a sports info sheet in which they put their height and various other attributes.  That's the height we use on the roster, well unless someone clearly puts a fallacious variable, then we change it, but we've also never had that happen to my knowledge. Before we've actually had to refuse a coach's request to inflate heights on the online roster by a couple inches, because if player A says they are 6'0" then they are 6'0" and not 6'2".

When I was an SID we used the details from the kid's physical. I also tried to resist coaches' desire to inflate.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 21, 2007, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 07:59:53 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 21, 2007, 06:55:09 PM
I don't know how Dave Walters runs the Sports Info operation down in Guilford, but up here in Lynchburg we require every athlete to fill out a sports info sheet in which they put their height and various other attributes.  That's the height we use on the roster, well unless someone clearly puts a fallacious variable, then we change it, but we've also never had that happen to my knowledge. Before we've actually had to refuse a coach's request to inflate heights on the online roster by a couple inches, because if player A says they are 6'0" then they are 6'0" and not 6'2".

When I was an SID we used the details from the kid's physical. I also tried to resist coaches' desire to inflate.

you actually had access to all the kid's physicals? was a physical required every year then? let's say the kid plays baseball. he has a physical in the summer before school starts. he hits the weight room and gains a crapload of weight in muscle, do you still use what the info on the physical said even though it is clearly antiquated information by the time the season rolls around?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 08:16:33 PM
The weight fluctuates widely over the course of a season anyway, especially in football.

Yes, a physical is required every year, part of the eligibility process.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 22, 2007, 02:25:52 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2007, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
;D  God i hate it when i type too fast......... BEN Strong is a great player....... not sure he is mr NBA, but very nice.......

I just wanted more love for my hornets on page one !

Shenandoah Wins was the story in the game against Houston Baptist but I think everyone kinda understands that Guilford Loses was the news in that game.


i understand..... i just wanted more love.......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: obnoxioussufan2 on December 22, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 19, 2007, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
;D  God i hate it when i type too fast......... BEN Strong is a great player....... not sure he is mr NBA, but very nice.......

I just wanted more love for my hornets on page one !
No problem.  You'll find I have a bit of a dry wit about the things folks type ... and that includes what I type as well.  :)  I think Ben will get a tryout and might even get a year or two in Europe for further development.  First karma for you ... welcome to the board.  Peace 

thanks man
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2007, 10:00:06 AM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 22, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 19, 2007, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
;D  God i hate it when i type too fast......... BEN Strong is a great player....... not sure he is mr NBA, but very nice.......
I just wanted more love for my hornets on page one !
No problem.  You'll find I have a bit of a dry wit about the things folks type ... and that includes what I type as well.  :)  I think Ben will get a tryout and might even get a year or two in Europe for further development.  First karma for you ... welcome to the board.  Peace 
thanks man
Welcome to the boards!  +1!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 27, 2007, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 22, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 19, 2007, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: obnoxioussufan2 on December 19, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
;D  God i hate it when i type too fast......... BEN Strong is a great player....... not sure he is mr NBA, but very nice.......

I just wanted more love for my hornets on page one !
No problem.  You'll find I have a bit of a dry wit about the things folks type ... and that includes what I type as well.  :)  I think Ben will get a tryout and might even get a year or two in Europe for further development.  First karma for you ... welcome to the board.  Peace 

thanks man
You're welcome.  Again, glad you've joined us!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 27, 2007, 04:35:13 PM
Guilford says the Jan. 2, 7 pm game versus Averett will be free admission.  Too bad the students are still away for the holiday break.  If you're in the area, come on over!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2007, 09:06:49 AM
Heading out to Atlanta. Hope to see some good basketball this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 28, 2007, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2007, 09:06:49 AM
Heading out to Atlanta. Hope to see some good basketball this weekend!

then you must not be going to watch a CNU game down there!!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 07:55:33 PM
CNU gets blown out again. 1-8. shot the ball 60 times, made 20. Out rebounded 49-28...shot 59% from FT line. Second player of the season walked off the team (according to rumors and the fact the guy wasn't in the box score).

The disintegration of a perennial conference and somtimes national power begins.

It's getting ugly and getting there fast.

16 games left in regular season - need to go 12-4 not to having losing season.

I can hear Dandy Don Meredith singing already...~~ turn out the lights, the party's over~~
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 08:01:19 PM
wow...CNU started hoops in 67-68. Only 6 losing seasons. Last losing season was CJ's first year as coach....way back in 84-85 season. The worst CNU team was 8-18 back in my sophomore year in 81-82. This year's team could very well be the worst team in CNU history!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
you are starting to sound like a whiny Kentucky fan - the world isn't coming to an end just because CNU isn't having a good year. all teams go through rebuilding years, rather it be Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Randolph-Macon, Averett, Hampden-Sydney, etc...

at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 29, 2007, 10:11:20 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
you are starting to sound like a whiny Kentucky fan - the world isn't coming to an end just because CNU isn't having a good year. all teams go through rebuilding years, rather it be Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Randolph-Macon, Averett, Hampden-Sydney, etc...

at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.
spoken like a fan of a program that hasn't won much...if i were a cnu fan, i'd feel like the sky was falling, as well - scottie...when did the lynchburg "rebuilding" process start, and when will it end?

cnu's loss aside, the conference got some nice wins today - gc took out mississippi college (impressive...miss coll was 5-1 coming into the game and is always strong), averett knocked off m'ville and the monarchs beat piedmont - on sunday au and pc will square off, and the monarchs will get try #2 at the scots...a 2 game win streak coming out of demorest would be nice :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on December 29, 2007, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: narch on December 29, 2007, 10:11:20 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
you are starting to sound like a whiny Kentucky fan - the world isn't coming to an end just because CNU isn't having a good year. all teams go through rebuilding years, rather it be Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Randolph-Macon, Averett, Hampden-Sydney, etc...

at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.
spoken like a fan of a program that hasn't won much...if i were a cnu fan, i'd feel like the sky was falling, as well - scottie...when did the lynchburg "rebuilding" process start, and when will it end?

cnu's loss aside, the conference got some nice wins today - gc took out mississippi college (impressive...miss coll was 5-1 coming into the game and is always strong), averett knocked off m'ville and the monarchs beat piedmont - on sunday au and pc will square off, and the monarchs will get try #2 at the scots...a 2 game win streak coming out of demorest would be nice :)

if you are 1-8 and lost to Lynchburg College, regardless of who the school is, dreaming of finishing with a winning record is highly unreasonable. PS, I'm a Kentucky and a Boston Celtics fan - two teams that have mad much more success than CNU ever has and who just recently or currently are going through a rebuilding process, so I do believe I know what it's like for a once good/great team to go through a rebuilding process...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2007, 10:41:39 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 07:55:33 PM

I can hear Dandy Don Meredith singing already...~~ turn out the lights, the party's over~~
Don Meredith's 52 points (http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=252735&sid=ca73a1d545864371d8420b14975bd8ab) for Mount Vernon (TX) HS to win the 1954 Dr Pepper Invitational Basketball Tournament in Dallas stood as the tourney record for nearly half a century.  Basketball may have been his real sport!   ;)

Errata--His 154 total points (http://www.dailytribune.net/articles/2007/10/08/news/03.txt) in the five-game tourney still stands.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
you are starting to sound like a whiny Kentucky fan - the world isn't coming to an end just because CNU isn't having a good year. all teams go through rebuilding years, rather it be Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Randolph-Macon, Averett, Hampden-Sydney, etc...

at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.

1. not whining...what part of my post did I say the world was ending? just stating facts and adding some humor with the Meredith reference. Sorry you don't have a sense of humor...or are too young to remember Dandy Don.
2. who are you to tell me what i should be thinking about at this time of year? I'm a fan. Whatever I choose to "concentrate on" has no bearing on team performance. That was a dumb comment on your part.
3. One of the younger guys you mentioned walked off the team this week. Second guy to do so this year. Plus nobody with any knowledge of CNU hoops believes the "health" reasons for Blasingame not returning. So, in these instances I am focusing on the younger guys and how they are coming together in a rebuiding year. They're not coming together. They're dropping like flies. I guess you missed my posts whenever a guy walked.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: narch on December 29, 2007, 10:11:20 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
you are starting to sound like a whiny Kentucky fan - the world isn't coming to an end just because CNU isn't having a good year. all teams go through rebuilding years, rather it be Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Randolph-Macon, Averett, Hampden-Sydney, etc...

at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.
spoken like a fan of a program that hasn't won much...if i were a cnu fan, i'd feel like the sky was falling, as well - scottie...when did the lynchburg "rebuilding" process start, and when will it end?

cnu's loss aside, the conference got some nice wins today - gc took out mississippi college (impressive...miss coll was 5-1 coming into the game and is always strong), averett knocked off m'ville and the monarchs beat piedmont - on sunday au and pc will square off, and the monarchs will get try #2 at the scots...a 2 game win streak coming out of demorest would be nice :)

if you are 1-8 and lost to Lynchburg College, regardless of who the school is, dreaming of finishing with a winning record is highly unreasonable. PS, I'm a Kentucky and a Boston Celtics fan - two teams that have mad much more success than CNU ever has and who just recently or currently are going through a rebuilding process, so I do believe I know what it's like for a once good/great team to go through a rebuilding process...

So being a fan of a team or two that have had rebuilding years makes you an expert on what it's like for a team to rebuild? That's a reach. I'm a Vikings fan....so I'm an expert on fan disappointment!!  Oh....just so you don't misread the post...here comes some smiley faces to let you know I'm joking!   :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 11:36:13 PM
Quote from: narch on December 29, 2007, 10:11:20 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
you are starting to sound like a whiny Kentucky fan - the world isn't coming to an end just because CNU isn't having a good year. all teams go through rebuilding years, rather it be Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Randolph-Macon, Averett, Hampden-Sydney, etc...

at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.
spoken like a fan of a program that hasn't won much...if i were a cnu fan, i'd feel like the sky was falling, as well - scottie...when did the lynchburg "rebuilding" process start, and when will it end?

cnu's loss aside, the conference got some nice wins today - gc took out mississippi college (impressive...miss coll was 5-1 coming into the game and is always strong), averett knocked off m'ville and the monarchs beat piedmont - on sunday au and pc will square off, and the monarchs will get try #2 at the scots...a 2 game win streak coming out of demorest would be nice :)

Thanks Narch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 11:40:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2007, 10:41:39 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 07:55:33 PM

I can hear Dandy Don Meredith singing already...~~ turn out the lights, the party's over~~
Don Meredith's 52 points (http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=252735&sid=ca73a1d545864371d8420b14975bd8ab) for Mount Vernon (TX) HS to win the 1954 Dr Pepper Invitational Basketball Tournament in Dallas stood as the tourney record for more than half a century.  Basketball may have been his real sport!   ;)

I miss that guy in the booth. The current MNF crew is so bad, I mute the game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufella1 on December 29, 2007, 11:54:39 PM
"85"....cannot speak for the other two "walkoffs", but Blasingame indeed did leave the team AND school for health reasons.  My source, who is pretty close to Mark says if healthy, he plans on returning for his last two years of eligibility. Time (way to long for me) will tell.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 31, 2007, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.

2. who are you to tell me what i should be thinking about at this time of year? I'm a fan. Whatever I choose to "concentrate on" has no bearing on team performance. That was a dumb comment on your part.

CNU85: you should be thinking about BEER right now.  It's how I've gotten through the last two years of SU's conference play...    :D :D

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 31, 2007, 11:44:28 AM
Sorry 85...  couldn't resist telling you what you should be thinking.  Mind control is a new option on the d3hoops reply toolbar.   ;D

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 02, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
Good to see the Hornets getting a couple of votes in the "others receiving votes" for the Top 25.  Another win tonight, Hornets roll to 10-2. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 02, 2008, 09:31:43 PM
Final:  Guilford 82, Averett 63 in Greensboro

Guilford trailed twice tonight at 42-41 & 49-48, but smoked the Cougars down the stretch, 34-14, including a decisive 32-8 run.  Quaker guard Clay Henson had the hot hand, getting 9 threes & a career-high 29 points.  Henson scored the first 17 points for Guilford on five 3-pointers & a 2-pointer ...  his nine 3-pointers tied Jordan Snipes' school record set last season vs Lynchburg.  In all, GC hit 13 behind the arc & AU hit seven, so 20 total.  Ben Strong had 13 points/10 rebounds & Eric Belkoski chipped in 11, but it was clearly Henson's night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 02, 2008, 09:41:53 PM
must have been in the air in greensboro tonight
GC 88, Apprentice 85
Pride leads throughout, 19-point lead in the second half before Builders cut it to three.  NIcholson 30 points for GC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 02, 2008, 10:10:24 PM
the monarchs got hammered, 79-51 at vwc tonight...not much positive from the game story and box...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on January 03, 2008, 05:44:19 PM
10-2 for the Hornets.....the beat goes on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 05, 2008, 12:52:08 PM
Hornets finish their out-of-conference schedule tonight at Bridgewater.  Let's get a little revenge for all the whoopin's we've taken on the football field by BC!

Looks like CNU lost again last evening - CNU85, what's going on down there in Newport News??

Congrats to Ferrum on an OT win last night too.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 06, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
Congrats to BC on a hard fought victory. One bright spot for SU was the play of freshman Kevin Kline.  He's really making an impact for a rookie.  Just hangs out underneath and makes smart plays and is always in the right place.  He's not going to garner much conference attention because JLawrence and Onyie are going to get the stats, but Kline's play is a huge part of what makes those two seniors free to operate - so it was great to read the boxscore this morning and see that Kline had 17 points and 6 rebounds. 

SU seems to be struggling after the holiday break.  If they continue to play like they have in the last two games, then we could be looking at a middle of the pack finish in conference.  This team is better than this...

Oh, and at 10-3, by no means am I complaining... 

CNU on the clock. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2008, 08:32:44 PM
the monarchs get back on the winning track @ lagrange - winstead had 15 and luemichael smith had 16 on 8 of 8 shooting - one more non-conference tilt for mu coming up this weekend vs. piedmont and a chance to enter conference play at 8-5 with a win - at this point i think we've found out that the monarchs can beat most average to below average teams, but struggle with nationally ranked and strong regional opponents - who knows what that means for usasac play, but they are talented...i don't think they've played anywhere near their potential, yet - if they do...i think they're as good as any team in the conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 07, 2008, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: cnufella1 on December 29, 2007, 11:54:39 PM
"85"....cannot speak for the other two "walkoffs", but Blasingame indeed did leave the team AND school for health reasons.  My source, who is pretty close to Mark says if healthy, he plans on returning for his last two years of eligibility. Time (way to long for me) will tell.   

can't wait 'til he gets back!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 07, 2008, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 31, 2007, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 29, 2007, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on December 29, 2007, 08:18:01 PM
at this point in the season, you shouldn't even be thinking about trying to have a winning season. with only one senior and three juniors, you should be concentrating on how the younger guys are developing as the season progresses because it's obviously a rebuilding year.

2. who are you to tell me what i should be thinking about at this time of year? I'm a fan. Whatever I choose to "concentrate on" has no bearing on team performance. That was a dumb comment on your part.

CNU85: you should be thinking about BEER right now.  It's how I've gotten through the last two years of SU's conference play...    :D :D



+1 for you. I wonder if beer will be enough this year!! Although, CNU is now 3-9.....getting better!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 07, 2008, 06:35:19 PM
CNU has won 2 out of last 3......look out SU97!!   :D :D :P


one more game before conference play starts....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on January 08, 2008, 03:40:29 AM
The transfer is official at SU. I don't know if he'll suit up or get any PT against CNU.  Just keep your eyes open during warm-ups to see what I'm talk ing about.

There will be a new fan favorite in Winchester.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on January 08, 2008, 02:41:29 PM
C'mon now Slim. Tell us who it is. Not all of us can get to the SU games. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 12, 2008, 09:41:14 PM
6 monarchs scored in double digits for mu in the 100-83 win today - frosh luemichael smith scored 19, many of the acrobatic variety...he's as athletic as an player i can remember at mu...he's got ivan little hops with a better shot - pc played hard and baldwin was a beast getting 34 with 10 boards - the monarchs shot over 50% from the floor - travis mcbryde had 11 points in 10 minutes after sitting out the entire first half - tyler sigman had a very nice game with 16 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists and 2 steals...he seemed to always be in the right place...his game has really progressed since last year - a good finish to the non-conference portion of the schedule, now the boys from gc are on the clock for wednesday...let's see if the monarchs can steal one on the road

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2007-08%20Stats/mum0112.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 13, 2008, 10:41:27 AM
Adam Nicholson of Greensboro is also a heck of a player...Lumichael Smith as a senior.  I have seen them both playing at Maryville.  The Scots finally found someone to guard Nicholson yesterday and it's a good thing, since he was lighting the place up.

Here is the newspaper link:
http://thedailytimes.com/article/20080113/SPORTS/217936753
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 14, 2008, 04:26:57 PM
So if this was the possible future where there was some adding and subtracting going on the conference standings right now would be:

Maryville 4-1 (Averett, Methodist(2), Greensboro, loss to Averett)
Averett 2-1 (split with Maryville, win over Piedmont)
NCW 1-0 (Piedmont)
***CNU 0-0
Ferrum 0-1 (Piedmont)
Greensboro 0-1 (loss to Maryville)
Methodist 1-2 (Piedmont, loss to Maryville (2)
Piedmont 1-4 (Win over Ferrum losses to NCW, Meth(2), Averett)

* Assuming Shenandoah gone to ODAC,
** Assuming LaGrange and Huntingdon do not join Maryville and Piedmont move for geographical reasons
***CNU didnt play any of them but would they stay? Hope so to make 8 and lock down AQ

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2008, 07:38:42 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 14, 2008, 04:26:57 PM
So if this was the possible future where there was some adding and subtracting going on the conference standings right now would be:

Maryville 4-1 (Averett, Methodist(2), Greensboro, loss to Averett)
Averett 2-1 (split with Maryville, win over Piedmont)
NCW 1-0 (Piedmont)
***CNU 0-0
Ferrum 0-1 (Piedmont)
Greensboro 0-1 (loss to Maryville)
Methodist 1-2 (Piedmont, loss to Maryville (2)
Piedmont 1-4 (Win over Ferrum losses to NCW, Meth(2), Averett)

* Assuming Shenandoah gone to ODAC,
** Assuming LaGrange and Huntingdon do not join Maryville and Piedmont move for geographical reasons
***CNU didnt play any of them but would they stay? Hope so to make 8 and lock down AQ
Piedmont and Maryville leaving for the USA South and not taking LaGrange and Huntingdon with them would be a travesty!

LaGrange and Huntingdon need a conference more than anyone!

IMHO, it is incumbent on the leadership of the GSAC to take the entire conference in the merger!  LaGrange and Huntingdon committed to the D3 model with the GSAC in mind. 

Anything less than that is traitorous!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2008, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 14, 2008, 04:26:57 PM

***CNU didn't play any of them but would they stay? Hope so to make 8 and lock down AQ
For all of the crying that we hear on these boards about CNU as the public school, the Capital AC would love to have another football playing school.  Adding a 10th school might allow the Capital AC to split into divisions, or to replace a Gallaudet, which is on probation in the Capital AC.  (Public colleges in the Capital AC:  Salisbury, St Mary's College, and Mary Washington.)

Travel from CNU to  Demorest, GA (536 miles and 8 hrs  48 minutes) and to Maryville TN 523 miles 8 hours  23 minutes) is a lot farther than CNU  to York PA (271 miles, 4 hours 32 minutes). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 14, 2008, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 14, 2008, 04:26:57 PM

* Assuming Shenandoah gone to ODAC,

SU won't be in the ODAC, but adding Maryville and Piedmont would force the Hornets to look North or East for a new home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 14, 2008, 08:38:01 PM
It's been real quiet on here lately...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 14, 2008, 08:43:19 PM
Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
My pre-preseason picks:

1.  Shenandoah:   
Homer pick... check. 
Bias... check.
Last place in 2007... check.
15 beers playing a part in your pick process... priceless.

2.  CNU:   
Blasingame is still the best big man in the conference.  At the end of last year CNU85 indicated that Blasingame may have missed his window of opportunity.  But with 5 transfers, it looks to me like CJ reloaded and is ready to compete.  The backcourt now has a chance to be very good: I really liked Barton last year (lit us up) and if (assuming) the kid from ODU steps in at point... Lewis and Riley will need to be replaced, if any of those big men transfers can play, then I think we see CNU doing what GC pulled off last year.   

3.  Averett: 
Amazing year in 2007.  A great run, overcoming injuries and a lowly loss to SU... I can't quite put my finger on it, but I don't see the regular season championship running through danville. Last year was such an amazing feat that I think it's overshadowing the fact they have so much talent returning... weird. 

4.  Greensboro: 
After last season I tabbed them to take it all this year.  But now after looking at the roster, I'm left wondering.  With #30 not returning (POTY), I just wonder what they have underneath.  They crushed the boards against us...   

5.  Methodist:
Would have been ranked higher, but the Dragan, my favorite player of the decade has now graduated.  This knocked 'em back to 5th.  Seriously, last year's youth and strong schedule could equate to experience and some close wins... maybe more. 

6.  NCWC: 
As Narch said: no roster yet... I think we will know more early in the season, as they have VWC, Guilford and RandyMac on the schedule...  They could easily push for the title... but no new info, so I'll just retype what I typed up for last years' summary: I never know know what to think of this squad. They always have talent, hell two years ago there wasn't a more dangerous combo in the conference than Hall and Arrington.  Hall again showed that he can pretty much do what he wants during the conference tournament, but how they ended up in 6th place is beyond me.  They look promising for next year, only losing one starter to graduation and Hall will be a senior.

7.  Ferrum: 
Beat SU last year, but who didn't.  Only lost one senior.


Okay, so I'm going to change my picks slightly going into conference play...  I think we've learned that this is going to be one TIGHT race.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 14, 2008, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
My pre-preseason picks:

1.  Shenandoah:   
Homer pick… check. 
Bias… check.
Last place in 2007… check.
15 beers playing a part in your pick process… priceless.
Still biased, still picking the Hornets first.  Not sure how the roster moves over the holiday will play a role.  In addition to VASlim's reference to Schrader, I hear that SU lost it's point guard. It will be a couple of interesting games to start off conference play, that's for sure.


Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
3.  Averett: 
Amazing year in 2007.  A great run, overcoming injuries and a lowly loss to SU… I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I don’t see the regular season championship running through danville. Last year was such an amazing feat that I think it’s overshadowing the fact they have so much talent returning… weird. 

4.  Greensboro: 
After last season I tabbed them to take it all this year.  But now after looking at the roster, I’m left wondering.  With #30 not returning (POTY), I just wonder what they have underneath.  They crushed the boards against us…

Without Blasingame CNU drops a little.  Averett and GC are as much as tied in my book.  I think that any of the top 5 teams may be interchangable on any given day. Again, AU is the hardest to read. Is AU the team that beat Maryville or the team that lost to Guilford by 20? GC and AU are Tied for #2.  Okay, so I hate ties, AU will be 2nd and GC will come in 3rd place.
   
Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
5.  Methodist:
Would have been ranked higher, but the Dragan, my favorite player of the decade has now graduated.  This knocked ‘em back to 5th.  Seriously, last year’s youth and strong schedule could equate to experience and some close wins… maybe more. 

4th:  Methodist is well coached and seemed to play well thus far.  Not sure how their schedule holds up to the likes of GC, AU or NCWC. 

Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
6.  NCWC: 
As Narch said: no roster yet… I think we will know more early in the season, as they have VWC, Guilford and RandyMac on the schedule…  They could easily push for the title... but no new info, so I’ll just retype what I typed up for last years’ summary: I never know know what to think of this squad. They always have talent, hell two years ago there wasn't a more dangerous combo in the conference than Hall and Arrington.  Hall again showed that he can pretty much do what he wants during the conference tournament, but how they ended up in 6th place is beyond me.  They look promising for next year, only losing one starter to graduation and Hall will be a senior.

5th:  NCWC has played a pretty tough schedule.  Elon, ECU and Guilford are not losses to be taken lightly.  As always they have a ton of talent.  They will beat some teams.  Coulld take it all...


Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
2.  CNU:   
Blasingame is still the best big man in the conference.  At the end of last year CNU85 indicated that Blasingame may have missed his window of opportunity.  But with 5 transfers, it looks to me like CJ reloaded and is ready to compete.  The backcourt now has a chance to be very good: I really liked Barton last year (lit us up) and if (assuming) the kid from ODU steps in at point… Lewis and Riley will need to be replaced, if any of those big men transfers can play, then I think we see CNU doing what GC pulled off last year.   

# 6:  The dreaded Newports.  Honestly, I have no idea what to think here. I will say this:  CNU will play the role of the spoiler. They will knock one or two of the top teams off in conference play (at home) and mess this whole thing up. That I know for certain.

Quote from: SU97 on October 29, 2007, 11:44:59 PM
7.  Ferrum: 
Beat SU last year, but who didn’t.  Only lost one senior.

Ferrum, last place.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
Not sure how badly the CAC wants CNU. I'e heard the thought of someone like York or Villa Julie traveling to CNU and having to traverse three beltways in the process (Baltimore, DC, Richmond) is not preferable, to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2008, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 14, 2008, 09:15:38 PM
4th:  Methodist is well coached and seemed to play well thus far.  Not sure how their schedule holds up to the likes of GC, AU or NCWC. 

i had this whole great post showing that au's schedule was the toughest (opp win % .648), gc's was the second most difficult (opp win % around .590), mu's was third at .550 and ncwc brought up the rear at .450 - that post also pointed out that the monarchs 5 losses came to teams at .833, but their wins came against teams at around .360...but i lost it trying to look up the spelling of a word :)

if i had to rank 1-5, it would probably go something like this...eeny, meeny, miney, moe :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on January 14, 2008, 11:09:53 PM
QuoteStill biased, still picking the Hornets first.  Not sure how the roster moves over the holiday will play a role.  In addition to VASlim's reference to Schrader, I hear that SU lost it's point guard. It will be a couple of interesting games to start off conference play, that's for sure.

I wasn't talking about Schrader.  This player still hasn't been "announced".  But what happened to Adams? Grades? Injury?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
Not sure how badly the CAC wants CNU. I'e heard the thought of someone like York or Villa Julie traveling to CNU and having to traverse three beltways in the process (Baltimore, DC, Richmond) is not preferable, to say the least.
Glad to learn of the local travel dynamics...
Thanks!  :)

How favorably do teams consider traveling down the eastern shore?

I thought it was beautiful (as a tourist...   :-\ ).

Hmmm...

Google Maps suggests "not very"!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 15, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
Not sure how badly the CAC wants CNU. I'e heard the thought of someone like York or Villa Julie traveling to CNU and having to traverse three beltways in the process (Baltimore, DC, Richmond) is not preferable, to say the least.
Glad to learn of the local travel dynamics...
Thanks!  :)

How favorably do teams consider traveling down the eastern shore?

I thought it was beautiful (as a tourist...   :-\ ).

Hmmm...

Google Maps suggests "not very"!
It is beautiful - as a tourist - but not sure how much sightseeing you can do when the team bus is getting you back home at 2 or 3 am on a Thursday morning.  :)  Some of the beltlines (aka parking lots) cited by Pat are subject to come to complete halts 24/7, especially during wintry inclement weather and during rush hour. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 15, 2008, 10:42:44 AM
I agree w/ Ralph that it would be a bad idea to leave Huntingdon and LaGrange out of a combination of the GSAC and the USASouth, assuming they want to be part of it, but wouldn't that decision be made by someone other than "the GSAC?"  Are you suggesting that "the GSAC" (whomever that is) somehow prohibit Maryville and Piedmont from joining the USASouth, or that Maryville and Piedmont refuse to go without them, or that the USASouth has to "take" them all or nobody goes, or what?  I know you have thought this through, Ralph....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 15, 2008, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 15, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
Not sure how badly the CAC wants CNU. I'e heard the thought of someone like York or Villa Julie traveling to CNU and having to traverse three beltways in the process (Baltimore, DC, Richmond) is not preferable, to say the least.
Glad to learn of the local travel dynamics...
Thanks!  :)

How favorably do teams consider traveling down the eastern shore?

I thought it was beautiful (as a tourist...   :-\ ).

Hmmm...

Google Maps suggests "not very"!
It is beautiful - as a tourist - but not sure how much sightseeing you can do when the team bus is getting you back home at 2 or 3 am on a Thursday morning.  :)  Some of the beltlines (aka parking lots) cited by Pat are subject to come to complete halts 24/7, especially during wintry inclement weather and during rush hour. 

CNU has a new scheduling policy......Sunday's at 4pm during NFL playoffs and on Super Bowl Sunday...

BRILLIANT!  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 15, 2008, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 15, 2008, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 15, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2008, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
Not sure how badly the CAC wants CNU. I'e heard the thought of someone like York or Villa Julie traveling to CNU and having to traverse three beltways in the process (Baltimore, DC, Richmond) is not preferable, to say the least.
Glad to learn of the local travel dynamics...
Thanks!  :)

How favorably do teams consider traveling down the eastern shore?

I thought it was beautiful (as a tourist...   :-\ ).

Hmmm...

Google Maps suggests "not very"!
It is beautiful - as a tourist - but not sure how much sightseeing you can do when the team bus is getting you back home at 2 or 3 am on a Thursday morning.  :)  Some of the beltlines (aka parking lots) cited by Pat are subject to come to complete halts 24/7, especially during wintry inclement weather and during rush hour. 

CNU has a new scheduling policy......Sunday's at 4pm during NFL playoffs and on Super Bowl Sunday...

BRILLIANT!  >:(
Well, look on the bright side - lots of convenient parking!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 15, 2008, 10:40:41 PM
wow, su shoots just 33 percent and beats cnu by 12 - the hornets made 28 ft's...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 16, 2008, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: narch on January 15, 2008, 10:40:41 PM
wow, su shoots just 33 percent and beats cnu by 12 - the hornets made 28 ft's...

Rebounds rebounds rebounds......SU had 20 offensive boards!!! CNU had only 8 offensive rebounds!! When you get that many rebounds under your own basket, you can afford to shoot 33%! CNU has NEVER been able to rebound. Not just this team....for as many years as I can remember. I'm sure I'm wrong on a few years...but how many times have CNU fans been on this board complaining about lack of rebounds. Many times CNU takes a shot and nobody is in the paint. Many times nobosy is inside the 3 pt arch.

I went to the game Sunday afternoon with my brother. He has only seen CNU play maybe 2-3 times ever. He quickly pointed out that under the hoop, CNU tries to play vertical, not big (wide, horizontal). Big gets rebounds. Vertical gets you blocked out. He also pointed out that CNU on offense under the hoop only moves to make breaks for the ball. They don't move to position themselves for rebounds. Finally, he pointed out that rebounding begins as soon as the ball crosses half court....that's when you start to establish your position under the boards. All good points.

I don't remember the stats from last night, but I think CNU's leader in rebounds was Barton - the point guard! If he wasn't the top guy, he was up there. I had to "watch" the game with live stats and listen to the web stream. Wasn't able to make the game. CNU was up 10 in the first half. SU battled tough and closed to one at the break. SU should now feel very confident. They won AT the Freeman Center and did it coming from behind. Not much more is needed to build confidence after a win like that! Congrats to SU -  a job well done! I think they hadn't won at CNU since 1990.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2008, 02:00:04 PM
'85, i'm not disagreeing with you at all, but su did out score cnu from the ft line by 16 points - as much as rebounding was key to that win, so was making 28 ft's

tonight should be interesting - gc has two really good wins (guilford and mississippi college), but they've also lost twice to ehc (a team that is 4-7) - maybe the monarchs should run "the system" tonight :)

i'm predicting a road victory for averett and i'm hoping for a road victory for the monarchs...ahh, the heck with it...i'm predicting both road teams win - i think the monarchs match up well with this gc team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 16, 2008, 03:15:56 PM
Agreed Narch. Also, our top shooter was "0-all night" 0-8 from the floor...I think 0-2 from 3 and even 0-1 from the line....The webcast guys said when he left the game late that he just looked totally dejected....he missed everything he put up all night long....after scoring almost 20 Sunday.

A lot of the fouls were in the last 2 minutes...the usual late in the game foul strategy. But even so, they took a lot (and made a lot) before that point in the game. I think part of it is CNU being out of position....lazy reach in fouls.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 08:51:50 PM
Man, what a great game last night down in Newport News.  Everybody is real proud of Coach Harris and the Hornets up here, considering that the last time Harris walked off the court at CNU with a win he was wearing a uniform...  18 years is a long time. 

Narch and CNU85 are both right.  Rebounds and FT's were the big reasons why SU got away with some horrible shot selection all night, but I don't think CNU's lack of rebounding was as important as the Hornet's focus at the line. It has, by far, been the most profound difference between the Hornet's 2006-07 campaign and the current result. I think SU averaged a dismal .600 from the stripe last year, while they are shooting .800+ as a team this year. Some of those close games in 06-07 were lost at the FT line - take the SU-CNU match up at SU as an example:  last year's game in Winchester had the Hornets out rebounding CNU 49-40 in an overtime contest that the Captains won 84-81.  In that game SU shot 49% (9-21) from the FT line...  last night SU hit 28-33 (a 85% clip). 

28 FT's – SU didn't hit 28 FT's all season last year... ;)

Onyie and JLawrence put in the typical night, both rocking double-doubles, but SU as a whole were forcing way too many shots.   

As with last year, I was very impressed with Davon Barton.  He lit it up last night. His range was crazy, and he single handedly carried CNU in the first half.  When he hit the shot at the buzzer to put CNU up at half, all I could think was "oh no, not this year, not again..."  At one point late in the game SU had to match both Onyie and JLawrence up with Barton just to slow him down. The game I would like to see is when he matches up with Nicholson down at Greensboro.  That should be a hell of a show.

Speaking of guards... I was really worried that SU would have problems at the PG slot since Adams quit last week, but freshman Nick Brown stepped in and really played well. 10 points with only 4 turnovers is a nice line for a rookie.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 16, 2008, 03:15:56 PM
A lot of the fouls were in the last 2 minutes...the usual late in the game foul strategy. But even so, they took a lot (and made a lot) before that point in the game. I think part of it is CNU being out of position....lazy reach in fouls.
14 of the Hornet's 33 FT's were in the final two minutes, which was obviously the plan for CNU to get back in it.  At that point SU was only up by 5 points.

I didn't see much lazy play from CNU, much of the play was pretty physical the whole night. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: narch on January 16, 2008, 02:00:04 PM
i'm predicting a road victory for averett and i'm hoping for a road victory for the monarchs...ahh, the heck with it...i'm predicting both road teams win - i think the monarchs match up well with this gc team

Methodist only down by one with @ 8 min left.

Narch - what's going on with Shuford? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2008, 10:14:05 PM
the monarchs fall short in OT, losing 76-75 - i only had the opportunity to watch & listen to the game for the last 4 or so minutes of OT, but the monarchs were down by as much as 19 at one point per the box score - jason sharpe had a huge night for gc with 13 points and 18 boards, but i would guess his biggest play was a blocked shot on a luemichael smith layup attempt with :02 to play and the monarchs down 1 - shuford played just 7 minutes for the monarchs...not sure if he is hurt or sick or what the scoop is, but you've got to think that having one of the leading rebounders in the conference and the 2nd leading scorer on the team on the floor would have been a boost for mu...i hope they don't have to play without him for an extended period of time - smith and mcdade each had 22, winstead scored 12 and mcbryde had 9 for the monarchs, but nobody else scored more than 3...not the typical balanced effort for mu - the pride out rebounded mu by 20 (wow!) - mu held nicholson to 14 points on 16 shots, but he did stuff the stat sheet with 9 boards and 5 assists - there were only 2 pride players with more points than shots, and one of them scored 2 points on 1 shot, so the monarchs did a solid night's work defensively, but they simply didn't keep the pride off the glass and they had no answer for sharpe in the last few minutes of ot

it's great that gc has a live video stream, but honestly, the 2 times i've tried to watch a game on that stream it's been more frustrating than it's worth, and i've got a pretty good connection...i'd really rather watch the livestats and hear the audio than watch the video feed, but even the audio was scrambled because of the video feed (maybe there is an audio only option that i couldn't find)

good win for gc and nice effort for the monarchs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 10:46:38 PM
I browsed the live stats in the final 2 minutes of regulation, but there was some strange stuff going on.  It had a technical foul from GC and 3 FT's for MU, to put MU up by 4, then a minute later it refreshed and showed all level, heading to OT?? 

Ferrum won?!?!?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2008, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 10:46:38 PM
I browsed the live stats in the final 2 minutes of regulation, but there was some strange stuff going on.  It had a technical foul from GC and 3 FT's for MU, to put MU up by 4, then a minute later it refreshed and showed all level, heading to OT?? 

Ferrum won?!?!?
i'm 0-2 in my usasac predctions (well, technical 1-2...i would have picked su over cnu) - i should probably quit while i'm only down a few :) - fc was down by 13 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: narch on January 16, 2008, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 10:46:38 PM
I browsed the live stats in the final 2 minutes of regulation, but there was some strange stuff going on.  It had a technical foul from GC and 3 FT's for MU, to put MU up by 4, then a minute later it refreshed and showed all level, heading to OT?? 

Ferrum won?!?!?
i'm 0-2 in my usasac predctions (well, technical 1-2...i would have picked su over cnu) - i should probably quit while i'm only down a few :) - fc was down by 13 at the half
you're still doing better than my financial advisor's picks...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2008, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 16, 2008, 10:57:59 PM

you're still doing better than my financial advisor's picks...

If anybody's Financial Advisor has made them money in the past 5 weeks...post his name...especially after today...DOW another 300 points down....

that's ok....I'm still in the buying phase of life!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2008, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2008, 07:05:42 PMthat's ok....I'm still in the buying phase of life!
and everything is on sale!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2008, 07:54:57 AM
i'm hearing that shuford had to leave the gc game after taking an elbow to the face which required stitches...not sure if he'll miss any time, but if he does, guys like mcbryde and connor really need to step up and play big minutes
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Hey guys... I'm back.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2008, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Hey guys... I'm back.
[welcome back kotter theme]welcome back, welcome back, welcome back[/welcome back kotter theme] :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Hey guys... I'm back.
[welcome back kotter theme]welcome back, welcome back, welcome back[/welcome back kotter theme] :)
Hey narch, thanks.  It is good to be back.  My team needs me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
And by the way, I've been working out and I'm down close to playing weight.  I still have eligibility left so maybe I could go back and get another grad degree.  Think the Captains could use a 6-5, 220 post player who isn't allergic to the boards?  I'mreally a shade over 6-3, but that equates to 6-5 roster height, doesn't it?  Hey, maybe I could even bounce a couple in. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 18, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
"He's 6'5"...  6'9" with the afro."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 05:10:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 18, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
"He's 6'5"...  6'9" with the afro."
How did you know I have an afro?   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 18, 2008, 08:09:35 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 05:10:04 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 18, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
"He's 6'5"...  6'9" with the afro."
How did you know I have an afro?   ;D

It's all ball bearings nowadays.    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
damn, capt j, you've been back for 4 posts and you've already lost the karma i gave you...and '97 lost the point i gave him today, too...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: VirginiaSlim22 on January 18, 2008, 10:20:14 PM
SU are you going to the game tomorrow? I'll be there ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
damn, capt j, you've been back for 4 posts and you've already lost the karma i gave you...and '97 lost the point i gave him today, too...
Thanks anyway narch, but here is something you can take to the bank... I will NEVER accumulate positive karma.  The diminutive one will make sure of that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 19, 2008, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: VirginiaSlim22 on January 18, 2008, 10:20:14 PM
SU are you going to the game tomorrow? I'll be there ;)

As long as the weather holds I'll make the drive in.

Picks for today:

Hornets squeak one out against NCWC. SU needs a big game from Stevie Johns to keep up with Hall and Arrington.

Averett over GC in OT. This one could easily go either way.

Methodist will make it 2-0 in conference play. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 19, 2008, 10:08:21 AM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 07:54:57 AM
i'm hearing that shuford had to leave the gc game after taking an elbow to the face which required stitches...not sure if he'll miss any time, but if he does, guys like mcbryde and connor really need to step up and play big minutes

Narch - will Shuford make it back for today's game?  Hope he's okay, I wonder if it would have been a different result in Greensboro the other night had he been healthy. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 19, 2008, 10:21:48 AM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
damn, capt j, you've been back for 4 posts and you've already lost the karma i gave you...and '97 lost the point i gave him today, too...

THEN KARMA FOR EVERYONE!

I'll put it on the Underhill's bill.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 10:25:33 AM
Home teams all the way this afternoon for me.  Each game should be close, but you have to believe that playing at home should make the difference.  I am really tempted to take NCW over SU, but can't quite push the button on that one.  A couple of guys from SU really impressed me in the Freeman last week, but overall I wasn't too impressed with their game.  I expected them to blow out the Captains, and they should have.  With even a slightly greater effort the Captains could have won that game.

Next up... my appraisal of the 2007-08 CNU Captains.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 11:01:26 AM
2007-08 CNU Captains (part 1)

This has definitely been a tough year for CNU fans.  With an almost entirely new team, it isn't too surprising that they have struggled.  What I have heard from talking to alumni at the games is that Paul Trible has insisted that athletes satisfy the same academic standards for admission as the other students.  While that seems commendable, my own belief is that students who are gifted in ways other than academics (sports, community service, legacy, etc.) SHOULD be given the opportunity to prove themselves in the classroom.  Over the years, literally thousands of athletes with less than stellar academic credentials have done incredible things with their opportunities and have created some truly inspiring success stories.  The CNU basketball program has seen its share of these stories.  I say... let down your guard some, President Trible.  Give the coaches a little more freedom in their recruiting.  And while we are talking about Mr. Trible, I have noticed that he NEVER goes to the games anymore.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 11:11:52 AM
2007-08 CNU Captains (part 2)

What a schedule!  Nice job coach!  A couple years ago I was very critical of the patty cake schedule CJ put together.  I recall that his explanation at that time was that he couldn't get better teams to play us.  Well, those days are definitely long gone.  Good teams are no longer afraid to come to Newport News.  It is a bit of a shame that this rebuilding team had to play such a tough schedule, but that's the way it goes.  Overall, I will take this kind of schedule any day.  Our guys SHOULD be better for it.  Whether they are or not has yet to be seen. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mybleedinghands on January 19, 2008, 11:39:09 AM
based on the numbers on collegeboard.com, finishing with a 3.0 gpa, a 1000 SAT, and being in just the top half of your graduating class would make you virtually a shoe-in for getting in to CNU...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on January 19, 2008, 11:39:09 AM
based on the numbers on collegeboard.com, finishing with a 3.0 gpa, a 1000 SAT, and being in just the top half of your graduating class would make you virtually a shoe-in for getting in to CNU...
I haven't analyzed your interpretation of the data, but here is what your source specifically says -

Test Scores
Middle 50% of First-Year Students     
SAT Critical Reading: 550 - 630             
SAT Math: 540 - 620 

20% in top 10th of graduating class
56% in top quarter of graduating class
94% in top half of graduating class
23% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
27% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
22% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
24% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
4% had h.s. GPA between 2.5 and 2.99

NOTE - 96% had GPA higher than 3.0. 

I'm not sure that I agree with your assessment that 1000 SAT and 3.0 GPA is a lock to get in.  I think that those with a 3.0 probably had very strong SAT scores and those with 1000 SAT's had very strong GPA.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 19, 2008, 12:29:58 PM
more info for you to ponder CaptJ.  This was part of a discussion last year...   


Quote from: CNU85 on February 16, 2007, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: SU97 on February 15, 2007, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: roundbll on February 15, 2007, 08:49:06 PM
Here's an actual b-ball point to ponder 'Mensa.  I'm genuinely interested in your or any other CNU fans take on this...'85 / 'Nova.
As the CNU acceptance criterion gets tougher each year, and the tuition & board rise yearly as well (need to build the president another multi-million dollar house you know), is the run of the CNU b-ball dominance coming to an end?

(That makes it 6 of 18, 33.33%)


I will say this, Roundbll does bring up a good point to ponder.  It's ironic in a way, but I think it's fair to say Tribble has used athletics to build CNU's reputation over the past few years.  Bringing in football was the final piece to the equation, elevating CNU on a number of levels with exposure.  Now, as the school seems to be embracing the "Best Public Liberal Arts College in VA" kind of motto you start to see the admissions standards begin to increase.  That has to affect the recruiting advantage CNU has held in bringing in athletes at some point.  Basically biting the hand that feeds you...  but, Tribble has to be commended on the way he's transformed CNU.  I see them gradually entering the mix with Mary Washington in that strong smaller public school realm, which is a nice place to be.  Regardless how you feel about the Captains, you have to appreciate the strides they've made in a number of areas, but they got there, partially, through sports. Now CNU sports could suffer with the academic standards. See the irony? 

On the flip-side, CNU will always maintain the $ advantage and will not lose too much ground in the conference, I think what it will do is hamper them to a degree with competing on the national level.  Just look at who from the 757 won the national championship last year in basketball...  Five years ago if you asked me if a team from the 757 would win a championship I would have immediately responded with CNU, not VWC.   

Karma to SU97 and Ralph. Very good insightful posts that was based on the situation, without the dreaded, "I hate CNU" emotion.

And I know I only have 1 example...but the one example of a student athlete going to CNU that I am 100% correct on - his dad told me he was also recruited at Hampden Sydney and Randolph Macon and that they offered "aid" that brought the private school tuition down to "nearly" the CNU level.

Roundbll - Tribles house(s) on the Gold Coast are not paid for by the school. Some rich real esate folks got together and formed the CNU Real Estate Foundation. It was through purchasing and selling homes, as well as private donations, that have allowed the situation where the CNU president will soon be in a multi-million home on the James River. In fact, the home they bought a year or two ago and sold a few months ago - they made a few hundred thousand dollars for doing nothing but holding onto it.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 12:52:12 PM
Yeah... that's good stuff.  Thanks for finding it.  I believe it is consistent with what I just posted.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on January 19, 2008, 11:39:09 AM
based on the numbers on collegeboard.com, finishing with a 3.0 gpa, a 1000 SAT, and being in just the top half of your graduating class would make you virtually a shoe-in for getting in to CNU...
Other 4-year schools geographically close to CNU (excluding W&M) -
VWC
8% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
16% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
8% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
19% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
TOTAL - 51% had h.s. GPA 3.0 or higher

ODU
15% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
16% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
19% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
26% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
TOTAL - 76% had h.s. GPA 3.0 or higher

Mary Washington (I KNOW that MW is not close to CNU geographically, but since they were included in discussion I have included them here)
56% had h.s. GPA of 3.75 and higher
20% had h.s. GPA between 3.5 and 3.74
12% had h.s. GPA between 3.25 and 3.49
7% had h.s. GPA between 3.0 and 3.24
TOTAL - 95% had h.s. GPA 3.0 or higher (1% LESS than CNU)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Hey guys... I'm back.

When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Aquarius! Aquarius!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius! Aquarius!


:D :D :D :D

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:15:45 PM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
damn, capt j, you've been back for 4 posts and you've already lost the karma i gave you...and '97 lost the point i gave him today, too...

mine has been dinged as well.....there is a smite lurker among us!! :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on January 19, 2008, 11:39:09 AM
based on the numbers on collegeboard.com, finishing with a 3.0 gpa, a 1000 SAT, and being in just the top half of your graduating class would make you virtually a shoe-in for getting in to CNU...

send an app in with those credentials today.....and you'll be going to another learning institution. My nephew tried with much higher stats (and male acceptance rates are higher than female)...he's a Kansas Jayhawk now 'cuz CNU said "no".....and I even tried to provide some influence (which isn't much, obviously). I agree with Captj....other attributes in some cases helps the overall University image and college life experience. I believe one day this will all change, but right now Trible is focused on raising the stats!

Also - I personally know a former hoops parent. Known him since his kid was born. He was recruited by HSC and RMC as well as CNU. He absolutely told me that aid was offered to the point where $$ wasn't an issue. Every issue, every kid, every situation is different. I also know a guy who sent 2 kids to college...Averett and RMC. They were NOT athletes....he paid ZERO dollars of his own money. And they were not top 10% of high school class. And for every example I've just given, there thousands more that are each unique. My point being......statistics on web sites such as collegeboards.com are only as good as the interpretation from the reader.

Another example to point to is this. Those stats on the web page will look really bad in a few years for CNU. Why? CNU has just implemented a program whereas a student in the top 10% of high school class and a 3.5 GPA or higher does NOT have to take the SAT to be admitted to CNU. This will hurt the stats because typically those kids score higher on SAT. So, if CNU is not requiring the SAT and will not report the SAT score for those kids, even though these kids will most likely take the SAT, the stats on these websites will drop. Which made me wonder why CNU did that. It goes against the grain of what I thought they were trying to do.

A lot of it has to do with how you work the system. Unfortunately for public schools, the "system" is more closely monitored due to the public funding issue.

Whew...can we just talk hoops and why CNU is not pulling it together this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Hey guys... I'm back.

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
:D :D :D :D



Hey dude, I'm not THAT old!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Hey guys... I'm back.

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
:D :D :D :D





Hey dude, I'm not THAT old!

I figured you were at least older than me!! :D

Although today is my son's 19th b-day and next week is my baby daughter's 17th!!....I'M feeling really old!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 02:30:08 PM
2007-08 CNU Captains (part 3)
The players... it ultimately comes down to the players.  I have such mixed feelings about the guys we have this year.  I feel blessed to be watching one of our guys.  Davon Barton is going to be considered one of the best point guards we've ever had, and that is saying a lot.  He has D-1 skills and the heart of a lion.  He never lets up.  Unfortunately for him he came around when the Captains were going through a transition period.  He deserves a better supporting cast around him.  Can you imagine how good he would be if defenses weren't able to focus on him?  Onyie covered him in the game last week and he still went off on the Hornets.  We have some good players on this team.  Whinnet is very skilled but is playing out of position.  He's forced to play the post and would be better facing the basket.  I sure am glad we have him.  I am disappointed in Theo Baker this year.  He is very inconsistent.  Some games he shoots the lights out and others he can't find the backboard.  I question what he did in the off-season.  He should be better than last year and he is not.  I still like his game though.  Conley Taylor is a very exciting player.  I think he should be a starter but can understand why CJ likes the instant offense he provides off the bench.  He is going to be very strong as he develops the next 4 years.  The rest of the guys are sound players but I find it difficult to get excited about them.  Reid is supposed to be a great young man and we are happy to have him on the team, but he seems overmatched by the taller opposing players he has to guard.  Green is probably our best post player and should be getting more PT.  I think he will very soon.  Russell can be exciting to watch on the offensive end of the court but when he drops back on defense it seems that his eyes just glaze over.  As a starter, Hamlin should not be averaging less than 3 rebounds per game, which leads me to one of our glaring problems as a team.  It seems that we have no desire whatsoever to pull down rebounds.  I'm starting to believe that CJ has put together a game plan that simply does not emphasize them enough.  But the offense we are using this year is new, and we also had that problem last year, so that makes me think it is a long-term disregard on his part.  Never, never, never do you see a CNU player follow his shot to the glass.  NEVER.  Point for consideration coach... all the shots we take do not go in!!!  Ever hear of second-chance points?  I know you have because that is one reason we have been beaten so regularly this year. 

In summary let me say that it has been difficult watching the losses this year.  CNU fans are so unaccustomed to losing.  We need to be better and we can be better.  We have lost some close games to some good teams.  VWC, York (NY), Wesley, NJ City, and SU were all games in which we had a chance to win.  We need to start converting those chances into wins.  I think we will.  We were very unprepared for the SU game, and if we can put that behind us I believe we can still have a good conference run.  And who knows... the conference tourney is in Newport News again this year!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
damn, capt j, you've been back for 4 posts and you've already lost the karma i gave you...and '97 lost the point i gave him today, too...
Thanks anyway narch, but here is something you can take to the bank... I will NEVER accumulate positive karma.  The diminutive one will make sure of that.

I doubt C.J. Woollum has 200 posts. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 09:03:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
damn, capt j, you've been back for 4 posts and you've already lost the karma i gave you...and '97 lost the point i gave him today, too...
Thanks anyway narch, but here is something you can take to the bank... I will NEVER accumulate positive karma.  The diminutive one will make sure of that.

I doubt C.J. Woollum has 200 posts. :)

That was your best post EVER, Pat!!!! +1k for you!! :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
the monarchs bounced back nicely today - shuford didn't start, but did play 28 minutes and collected a double-double (13 and 13) - frosh luemichael smith played another outstanding game, scoring 23 - after the piedmont game i decided that tyler sigman was one of my new favorite players - when you look at him, he doesn't look like much...but he works hard, he's always in the right place at the right time and he has a great hoops iq...gotta love a player like him, and he dished out 8 assists with no turnovers today

game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/ferrum0119.htm)
box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2007-08%20Stats/mum0119.htm)

...by the way...i'm starting to believe the hornets are the best team in the conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 10:21:21 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2008, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2008, 08:17:25 PM
damn, capt j, you've been back for 4 posts and you've already lost the karma i gave you...and '97 lost the point i gave him today, too...
Thanks anyway narch, but here is something you can take to the bank... I will NEVER accumulate positive karma.  The diminutive one will make sure of that.

I doubt C.J. Woollum has 200 posts. :)
That IS a good one.  Really, I mean it.  And thanks for giving me my karma points back.  I will play nice now.  And when I hit 200, you get one from me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm applauding or smiting you. I have not touched your karma at all.

A little paranoid, are we?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm applauding or smiting you. I have not touched your karma at all.

A little paranoid, are we?

Olive branch withdrawn...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2008, 12:20:39 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
the monarchs bounced back nicely today - shuford didn't start, but did play 28 minutes and collected a double-double (13 and 13)

Must be nice ... to have a player like that coming off the bench ... I love that guy's game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 20, 2008, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
...by the way...i'm starting to believe the hornets are the best team in the conference

Apparently, we must have caught NCW (and Arrington) on a good day.

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/stats/ncwm1201.htm

On that day, they were the most impressive team I've seen this year. Of course, we didn't shoot the ball very well ... they probably had a lot to do with that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 20, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Scottie Too Hottie on January 19, 2008, 11:39:09 AM
based on the numbers on collegeboard.com, finishing with a 3.0 gpa, a 1000 SAT, and being in just the top half of your graduating class would make you virtually a shoe-in for getting in to CNU...

That's so far from the truth, its rather funny. Especially since the minimum to get into CNU is 1100 SAT and almost a 3.5 gpa.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 20, 2008, 01:08:15 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:56:06 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 19, 2008, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 19, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Hey guys... I'm back.

This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
:D :D :D :D





Hey dude, I'm not THAT old!

I figured you were at least older than me!! :D

Although today is my son's 19th b-day and next week is my baby daughter's 17th!!....I'M feeling really old!

speaking of birthdays...my mom and I were talking about that last night, she said, so you are going to be 29 this year huh? And I said, mom, i turned 29 in December...and she said...."So you are going to be 30 this year? Damn that makes me feel old!"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 20, 2008, 01:08:15 PM
speaking of birthdays...my mom and I were talking about that last night, she said, so you are going to be 29 this year huh? And I said, mom, i turned 29 in December...and she said...."So you are going to be 30 this year? Damn that makes me feel old!"

And your mom is one smart mongoose.  Sorry man, I couldn't resist that one.  I hope you are going to start posting again also.  We need to enhance the CNU presence on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 20, 2008, 01:08:15 PM
speaking of birthdays...my mom and I were talking about that last night, she said, so you are going to be 29 this year huh? And I said, mom, i turned 29 in December...and she said...."So you are going to be 30 this year? Damn that makes me feel old!"

And your mom is one smart mongoose.  Sorry man, I couldn't resist that one.  I hope you are going to start posting again also.  We need to enhance the CNU presence on this board.

I forgot to add the smiley so that you know I AM KIDDING!   :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 20, 2008, 05:27:16 PM
Hahahahaha I knew you were captj, nice to see back on the board by the way. I  bumped your karma up a point, too, by the way.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 20, 2008, 08:50:38 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
the monarchs bounced back nicely today - shuford didn't start, but did play 28 minutes and collected a double-double (13 and 13) - frosh luemichael smith played another outstanding game, scoring 23 - after the piedmont game i decided that tyler sigman was one of my new favorite players - when you look at him, he doesn't look like much...but he works hard, he's always in the right place at the right time and he has a great hoops iq...gotta love a player like him, and he dished out 8 assists with no turnovers today

Narch - good to hear Shuford is back.  You guys can go ahead and rest him when you play SU, that would be okay with me. ;)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 20, 2008, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 20, 2008, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
...by the way...i'm starting to believe the hornets are the best team in the conference

Apparently, we must have caught NCW (and Arrington) on a good day.

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/stats/ncwm1201.htm

On that day, they were the most impressive team I've seen this year. Of course, we didn't shoot the ball very well ... they probably had a lot to do with that.

The game Saturday was not an easy W for the home team.  NCWC outplayed the hornets in the first half, but SU put a little grease in the fryin' pan in the second...  shot 50% from the floor and hit 70% from 3. SU got an excellent performance out of Stevie Johns (21 points) to counter NCWC's guards - but the hornets got some quality shots from outside by frosh Brown (15 points) and the new kid #24, Brandon Bryant. Bryant hit a huge go-ahead 3ball in the second half to give SU the lead after trailing for 3 years...  He shows a lot of promise for a freshman, a pure shooter - if he ever gets hot he could be nasty. Oh, and I almost forgot - JLawrence had another average night (21 points, 14 rbs, and 4 blocks). I almost feel bad for him, it's like everybody expects those numbers each night and it's no big deal... 

VaSlim22:  what did you think of the game?     


Quote from: narch on January 19, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
...by the way...i'm starting to believe the hornets are the best team in the conference

Ya gotta believe...!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 20, 2008, 09:35:00 PM
Quote from: old_lion on January 20, 2008, 12:33:46 PMApparently, we must have caught NCW (and Arrington) on a good day.
Drake more than made up it... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on January 21, 2008, 11:36:36 AM
I was at that SU/NCWesleyan game. Looked to me that NCW ran out of gas and couldn't finish. They were hot at the top of the 2nd period but sort of collapsed. On the other side, SU got their act together and started shooting and rebounding. They are fun to watch when they get their engines running. I think #50, the CC transfer Chris Schrader is going to be a nice addition.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
hmmmm......

I wonder what is brewing in CNWhoville this week?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm applauding or smiting you. I have not touched your karma at all.

A little paranoid, are we?

Olive branch withdrawn...

An Olive Branch for 1hr and 56 minutes.....USA South record!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
hmmmm......

I wonder what is brewing in CNWhoville this week?

I heard the same thing you did... think our birdie wants us to leak the info?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm applauding or smiting you. I have not touched your karma at all.

A little paranoid, are we?

Olive branch withdrawn...

An Olive Branch for 1hr and 56 minutes.....USA South record!  :D :D :D

I tried, man... but I guess some things just aren't meant to happen. 

A record?!  I'm feeling like the old CaptJ again!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on January 21, 2008, 11:36:36 AM
I was at that SU/NCWesleyan game. Looked to me that NCW ran out of gas and couldn't finish. They were hot at the top of the 2nd period but sort of collapsed. On the other side, SU got their act together and started shooting and rebounding. They are fun to watch when they get their engines running. I think #50, the CC transfer Chris Schrader is going to be a nice addition.

Hey jww, I saw that guy in the Freeman and was impressed with his very limited minutes.  Even though he didn't score, he looked like a player.  I think we will all see more of him.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm applauding or smiting you. I have not touched your karma at all.

A little paranoid, are we?

Olive branch withdrawn...

An Olive Branch for 1hr and 56 minutes.....USA South record!  :D :D :D

I tried, man... but I guess some things just aren't meant to happen. 

A record?!  I'm feeling like the old CaptJ again!

Dunno -- so you're looking for credit for offering an olive branch after opening with a shot across my bow? I don't think anyone is fooled.

You seem to think you're dropping right back into the 2005 or 2006 message board that you left, but times have changed. I don't spend nearly as much time reading the USAC board as I used to and even your buddy 85 has not only seen the light, he's blogged for D3football.com and is a positive, contributing member of the community at large.

If you still have the chip on your shoulder you're not going to get a lot of sympathy here, I'm thinking.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 21, 2008, 10:13:43 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
hmmmm......

I wonder what is brewing in CNWhoville this week?

I heard the same thing you did... think our birdie wants us to leak the info?
ok...i'll bite...is blasingame coming back?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2008, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 20, 2008, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that I'm applauding or smiting you. I have not touched your karma at all.

A little paranoid, are we?

Olive branch withdrawn...

An Olive Branch for 1hr and 56 minutes.....USA South record!  :D :D :D

I tried, man... but I guess some things just aren't meant to happen. 

A record?!  I'm feeling like the old CaptJ again!

Dunno -- so you're looking for credit for offering an olive branch after opening with a shot across my bow? I don't think anyone is fooled.

You seem to think you're dropping right back into the 2005 or 2006 message board that you left, but times have changed. I don't spend nearly as much time reading the USAC board as I used to and even your buddy 85 has not only seen the light, he's blogged for D3football.com and is a positive, contributing member of the community at large.

If you still have the chip on your shoulder you're not going to get a lot of sympathy here, I'm thinking.

you guys make Hillary and Obama look like good buddies...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2008, 10:56:58 PM
apparently Onyie had the flu over the weekend.  Game story  (http://www.winchesterstar.com/article_details.php?ArticleID=4106) from the Winchester Star.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2008, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
hmmmm......

I wonder what is brewing in CNWhoville this week?

I heard the same thing you did... think our birdie wants us to leak the info?
Barton is going to transfer to SU??   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 06:44:27 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
Dunno -- so you're looking for credit for offering an olive branch after opening with a shot across my bow? I don't think anyone is fooled.
Hmmmm... now who is being a bit paranoid?!  As an old Captain, I do like the naval battle metaphor though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on January 22, 2008, 08:54:13 AM
SU97 - the debate reference is funny :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 10:43:06 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 21, 2008, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
hmmmm......

I wonder what is brewing in CNWhoville this week?

I heard the same thing you did... think our birdie wants us to leak the info?
Barton is going to transfer to SU??   ;D

Yeah, right!  You wish!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2008, 01:15:56 PM
prediction time:

mu 74 - au 72: the monarchs will get a w on a last second 3 by lehman

gc 68 - fc  61: the pride prove too much for the improving panthers

ncwc 82 - cnu 77: cnu unveils their new secret weapon, but it's not enough to stop hall, arrington, drake and company
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2008, 01:21:35 PM
pat - i like the new "skin" for the board - the cream color is very soothing...maybe it will keep captj calm, cool and collected :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 03:45:26 PM
"Perdiction" time:

MU 77 - AU 69  (home team holds)

GC 74 - FC  71  (home team holds)

CNU 86 - NCW 82 (Captains unveil their new secret weapon, Theo comes alive, and the new guys are unaware they aren't supposed to win in Rocky Mount)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
hmmmm......

I wonder what is brewing in CNWhoville this week?

I heard the same thing you did... think our birdie wants us to leak the info?

I don't leak!! :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 03:45:26 PM
"Perdiction" time:

MU 77 - AU 69  (home team holds)

GC 74 - FC  71  (home team holds)

CNU 86 - NCW 82 (Captains unveil their new secret weapon, Theo comes alive, and the new guys are unaware they aren't supposed to win in Rocky Mount)

What secret weapon? what new guys?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 10:00:06 PM

... and even your buddy 85 has not only seen the light, he's blogged for D3football.com and is a positive, contributing member of the community at large.


Wow - Thanks Pat! I'm leaving now.....gotta figure out how to get my head through my office door so I can go home!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 05:26:29 PM
MU over AU    (should be a close one - going with the home team)

GC over FC   

NCWC over CNU   (Captain's unveil their new secret weapon:  free beer at the freeman center, causing all conference foes to reschedule.  CNU gets 10 home games and sweeps into second place)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 10:00:06 PM

... and even your buddy 85 has not only seen the light, he's blogged for D3football.com and is a positive, contributing member of the community at large.


Wow - Thanks Pat! I'm leaving now.....gotta figure out how to get my head through my office door so I can go home!  :D :D :D
CNU85 - I just read your story and I have to say that was cool.  Great comparison between the two. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 05:40:52 PM
Don't worry, I am not going soft.  I still hate all things CNU. 

Carry on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 08:53:14 PM
Congratulations to Lennie Hall on becoming the NCWC all-time leading scorer. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 08:53:49 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 05:40:52 PM
Don't worry, I am not going soft.  I still hate all things CNU. 

Carry on.

:D :D :D I was worried for a moment!!

CNU in a close one at NCW....I think they've pulled it within 20!!!

Free beer at the Freeman is what we need to watch CNU this year! I'm glad I just downed 3 at dinner before tuning in to the radio.

Congrats to Lenny Hall....NCW all time scorer...over 1777 pts as of right now! (career, not in the game!!  :D :D).....oops CNU down by 25....take a timeout so the bus driver can get the bus heated!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 08:57:28 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 04:50:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2008, 10:00:06 PM

... and even your buddy 85 has not only seen the light, he's blogged for D3football.com and is a positive, contributing member of the community at large.


Wow - Thanks Pat! I'm leaving now.....gotta figure out how to get my head through my office door so I can go home!  :D :D :D
CNU85 - I just read your story and I have to say that was cool.  Great comparison between the two. 


Thanks! That was my third blog for football this year (one related to my first radio broadcast gig, and one about my trip with the team to Texas), plus helping out Ryan Tipps with some game observations for his weekly piece. It was fun. I'm hoping to do some pregame and sideline reporting next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 08:59:38 PM
did i just hear Tommasino say NCW has bounced in 14 threes???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 09:00:18 PM
The stats for the NCW - CNU game are going to be incredible.  Bishops can't miss.  Are any of the Captains playing defense?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 09:02:24 PM
Hard to listen to, isn't it Dave?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 09:03:39 PM
I think the Bishops are going to score 150!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 09:09:32 PM
embarrasing....6 min left down by 37!!!

all the fat ladies are singing now! al the lights are out....the party never started.

CNU will struggle to finish regular season 7-18.  They should make the team usher or sell concessions during the tournament at the Freeman. (ball boys and towel boys that wipe the court when real teams play and sweat)??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 22, 2008, 09:12:47 PM
I'm sitting here trying to figure out where CNU went wrong since I left this forum.  I went to the PS-Altoona website to see if maybe we should have kept UnlimitedRange.  He hasn't started a game and is averaging less than 6 pts and 2 rebs per game.  I will keep looking.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 08:53:49 PM
Congrats to Lenny Hall....NCW all time scorer...over 1777 pts as of right now! (career, not in the game!!  :D :D).....oops CNU down by 25....take a timeout so the bus driver can get the bus heated!
I swear if he's 6'3" he's in the NBA already...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 09:14:03 PM
any new faces for CNU, Captj? I just started listening
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:14:24 PM
any other updates out there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:13:13 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 08:53:49 PM
Congrats to Lenny Hall....NCW all time scorer...over 1777 pts as of right now! (career, not in the game!!  :D :D).....oops CNU down by 25....take a timeout so the bus driver can get the bus heated!
I swear if he's 6'3" he's in the NBA already...

and the bus driver could play for CJ
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 09:20:41 PM
CNU lights up the scoreboard with 88 pts and keeps the game close, within 35. NCW shoots a measley 18 three pointers......what a tense struggle. I was on the edge of...well....edge of crashing into a coma......good thing i took Ambien before listening to this.....i can't wait to hear CJ say how we're not a good team...then i can fall asleep.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:25:21 PM
Ferrum?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:26:42 PM
Am I reading this right?

GC:  51
FC:  58
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 09:30:08 PM
FC saw the CNU score and started sinking threes for the next game this weekend against the capts.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 09:31:19 PM
wow...cnu outrebounded NCW!!!!

of course NCW shots couldn't be rebounded...61% when in the hoop!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:38:22 PM
Anything from Methodist yet?  I can't find a score.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 21, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
hmmmm......

I wonder what is brewing in CNWhoville this week?

I heard the same thing you did... think our birdie wants us to leak the info?

So when are you guys going to spill the beans to the rest of us?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
wish i knew something specific....just a rumor....new players.....but not sure of validity, names, when, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 09:55:03 PM
just curious.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2008, 10:09:44 PM
the monarchs take one on the chin vs. averett, losing 74-69 - mcdade scored 20, smith with 14...lehmann most certainly did not hit the game winning 3 as he went 0-6 from distance tonight - rumley was a man for au with 25 pts, 8 boards, 6 assists and 2 steals in 27 minutes - mu had a 2 point lead at half time, but au really took it to the monarchs in the 2nd half...losing a home game is not good...the monarchs need to steal a road game or two along the way

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2007-08%20Stats/mum0122.htm)

123 points for the bishops...was that a double header they played tonight - that team is scary talented
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: narch on January 22, 2008, 10:09:44 PM
123 points for the bishops...was that a double header they played tonight - that team is scary talented
Arrington:   30 points in 20 minutes...  wow.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 10:12:36 PM
Arrington:   30 points in 20 minutes...  wow.
with all due respect to lenny hall and mr. lawrence, arrington is the most talented player in the league...that kid can score in so many ways and he's such a great athlete - note that i said he was the most talented player in the league, not the best (yet)...if he ever gets it all together for an extended period of time, watch out
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 08:27:18 AM
Quote from: narch on January 22, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 10:12:36 PM
Arrington:   30 points in 20 minutes...  wow.
with all due respect to lenny hall and mr. lawrence, arrington is the most talented player in the league...that kid can score in so many ways and he's such a great athlete - note that i said he was the most talented player in the league, not the best (yet)...if he ever gets it all together for an extended period of time, watch out
I couldn't agree with you more, narch.  He is scary good.  That entire team is good.  I thought CJ was going to fall to his knees in praise of them when he was giving his post game radio interview.  Now... the big question is... can they put it together and perform up to their potential for the rest of the season?  I say NO!!!  They have a history of underachieving and my money is on them doing it again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 08:28:54 AM
Hey, the Captains set a team record last night... for points allowed! >:( :( :o ??? ::) :-[ :-\ :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 23, 2008, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 08:28:54 AM
Hey, the Captains set a team record last night... for points allowed! >:( :( :o ??? ::) :-[ :-\ :'(

I'm treating CNU box scores like I do my investment statements right now....I'm not looking or I'll get depressed!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 23, 2008, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 08:28:54 AM
Hey, the Captains set a team record last night... for points allowed! >:( :( :o ??? ::) :-[ :-\ :'(

I'm treating CNU box scores like I do my investment statements right now....I'm not looking or I'll get depressed!!  :D
You have the wrong financial advisor, 85.  I can recommend one.  I love reading my statements. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 23, 2008, 02:51:36 PM
That's 'cuz you read the statements like you do scorecards for golf!!  :D :D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2008, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 01:01:47 PMYou have the wrong financial advisor, 85.  I can recommend one.  I love reading my statements. 
can i get his/her name & number, too - NOBODY is making money in this market (except, apparently, you) - hell, my porfolio lost around 3% last quarter and i felt like i won the freaking lottery - no telling what it's doing this quarter, and no need to worry...there's not much i can do about it - besides, i'm a long-haul investor and i'm getting lots of great bargains right now...i'd be more worried if i was cnu85's age though...i mean, retirement and social security are right around the corner for that old man :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: narch on January 23, 2008, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 01:01:47 PMYou have the wrong financial advisor, 85.  I can recommend one.  I love reading my statements. 
can i get his/her name & number, too - NOBODY is making money in this market (except, apparently, you) - hell, my porfolio lost around 3% last quarter and i felt like i won the freaking lottery - no telling what it's doing this quarter, and no need to worry...there's not much i can do about it - besides, i'm a long-haul investor and i'm getting lots of great bargains right now...i'd be more worried if i was cnu85's age though...i mean, retirement and social security are right around the corner for that old man :)

Yeah, you do need a better broker.  I like your long-term emphasis though.  I hardly ever buy anything with the intent to sell it for a very long time.  What has helped me lately has been some international investments and bonds.  In the interest of full disclosure... my broker is my wife.  There might be a bit of a conflict of interest for me to send you her info.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 23, 2008, 02:51:36 PM
That's 'cuz you read the statements like you do scorecards for golf!!  :D :D ;D

You had to bring up my golf game, didn't you?  With the technological advances in equipment we've seen the last decade, you would think I would get better, right?  Ha!  Hmmmm... maybe I should play more?  Fifteen years ago I played at least once a week and played to a single-digit handicap.  Now I play once a quarter and feel elated to shoot an honest round in the 90's.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 24, 2008, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 23, 2008, 02:51:36 PM
That's 'cuz you read the statements like you do scorecards for golf!!  :D :D ;D

You had to bring up my golf game, didn't you?  With the technological advances in equipment we've seen the last decade, you would think I would get better, right?  Ha!  Hmmmm... maybe I should play more?  Fifteen years ago I played at least once a week and played to a single-digit handicap.  Now I play once a quarter and feel elated to shoot an honest round in the 90's.

I just started 2 years ago.....tough to pick up a game right before retirement!!  :D  I think I've gotten into the 90's twice and I'm sure I broke some rules to get there! Sad part is my game may be over....I'm in physical therapy for rotator cuff damage and compressed discs in my neck.......must be damage caused by watching CNU players run down court after shooting rather than getting a rebound!  :D :D

and what's even sadder....even at my Narch induced old age, I still don't qualify for senior discounts at the pharmacy!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 24, 2008, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2008, 09:59:49 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 23, 2008, 02:51:36 PM
That's 'cuz you read the statements like you do scorecards for golf!!  :D :D ;D

You had to bring up my golf game, didn't you?  With the technological advances in equipment we've seen the last decade, you would think I would get better, right?  Ha!  Hmmmm... maybe I should play more?  Fifteen years ago I played at least once a week and played to a single-digit handicap.  Now I play once a quarter and feel elated to shoot an honest round in the 90's.

Nartch - I've met Captj....he's failing to tell you that he's a freak...his right hand has 23 "digits"...so watch it when he says he had a handicap in the single digits....he means he could count his handicap on his single freak hand!!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
captj and i have a lot more in common than i would have thought - we both have a hot wife who works in the financial industry (i'll bet mine's hotter, though...at least, to me :)), we both apparently fudge a little on the golf course (i don't fudge because i've got extra digits - i fudge only when there's money on the line...gotta make up for a wife that's apparently not as good in the financial world as his), we are in complete agreement on ncwc, and we've both jumped off the cnu bandwagon for this year...of course, i've never been on the cnu bandwagon, so i technically didn't jump off, but you get the drift - j's "maybe next year" sig must be a little disheartening to all the cnu fans/players/coaches :)

i'm looking forward to the monarchs getting some things right over the next few days - i'm anxious to see how they match up with the athleticism of ncwc...i just hope they don't give up 123 :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 24, 2008, 06:17:19 PM
Is it just me or was the board more interesting last year...?  I sorely miss the ramblings of PSBBG and although I was always somewhat dumbfounded by his formulas, they at least sparked widespread arguments on numerous topics. Which was fun...  but now that the Captains suck, we are forced to post about financial advice, CNU85's AARP discount and everyone's golf game.  For goodness sakes, Narch is almost arguing in favor of a NCWC player for POTY...   

By the way, Hall is better than Arrington.  But I'd take Onyie over him any day.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 24, 2008, 06:21:02 PM
This weekend is looking tougher for the Hornets every day now.  Where did Ferrum come from?  They appear to be playing well.  Averett is always a tough place to play and they have the talent...

I'd be happy if the Hornets walked away with a split this weekend on the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2008, 09:42:52 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 24, 2008, 06:17:19 PMIs it just me or was the board more interesting last year...?  I sorely miss the ramblings of PSBBG
...i'll deny i said this if anyone ever asks, but i'm with ya...

hall, onyie, lawrence, barton and probably a few others are better PLAYERS  than arrington, but nobody is as talented
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 04:53:43 PM
Hmmmm... 85 talks about how he can't play golf so well anymore because of his health, then accuses me of using fuzzy math on my handicap calculations... seems to me that he's setting me up for a con.  I will just say this... "Bring your wallet."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
captj and i have a lot more in common than i would have thought - we both have a hot wife who works in the financial industry (i'll bet mine's hotter, though...at least, to me :)), we both apparently fudge a little on the golf course (i don't fudge because i've got extra digits - i fudge only when there's money on the line...gotta make up for a wife that's apparently not as good in the financial world as his), we are in complete agreement on ncwc, and we've both jumped off the cnu bandwagon for this year...of course, i've never been on the cnu bandwagon, so i technically didn't jump off, but you get the drift - j's "maybe next year" sig must be a little disheartening to all the cnu fans/players/coaches :)

i'm looking forward to the monarchs getting some things right over the next few days - i'm anxious to see how they match up with the athleticism of ncwc...i just hope they don't give up 123 :)

I haven't jumped off the CNU bandwagon just yet, narch.  It might be that I'm being dragged behind it, but I haven't let go yet.  I don't think that's going to happen.  But let's face it... this is NOT CNU's year.  Maube next year will be better.  In the meantime I will still be at the games.  I can't say the same thing for my buddy 85.  He's very scarce there these days.  Probably sharpening his golf skills.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 24, 2008, 06:17:19 PM
Is it just me or was the board more interesting last year...? 

I think so too, 97.  I've tried to shake things up some... I made fun of RTT's mother, taken "shot's across the bow" of our illustrious host, and staunchly defended CNU (which I KNOW riles you up).  But here is what I will do... in the next couple of days I will develop a PSBBG-like formula that proves once and for all that the Captains are still the best team in the conference.  How does that sound?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
j's "maybe next year" sig must be a little disheartening to all the cnu fans/players/coaches :)
Oh come on, narch!  Players and coaches don't read this board!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 05:13:55 PM
Thank you sir!  May I have another?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 25, 2008, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 05:13:55 PM
Thank you sir!  May I have another?!
Captj, zero point two... Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Mr. CNU85, president of USAC house. One point six; four C's and an F. A fine example you set!

SU97... HAS no grade point average. All courses incomplete.

Mr. NAR - MR. NARCH... ZERO POINT ZERO.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 25, 2008, 06:19:23 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 24, 2008, 06:17:19 PM
Is it just me or was the board more interesting last year...? 

I think so too, 97.  I've tried to shake things up some... I made fun of RTT's mother, taken "shot's across the bow" of our illustrious host, and staunchly defended CNU (which I KNOW riles you up).  But here is what I will do... in the next couple of days I will develop a PSBBG-like formula that proves once and for all that the Captains are still the best team in the conference.  How does that sound?
YES!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 25, 2008, 06:20:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 04:57:28 PM
It might be that I'm being dragged behind it, but I haven't let go yet. 

+1    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 25, 2008, 06:27:36 PM
Okay...  my picks for the weekend:

Saturday:
NCWC over GC
SU over AU
CNU over Ferrum (but they get lost afterward and cannot find AU Sunday and have to forfeit - Ferrum; go to the end of the world, make a left.)


Sunday:
AU over CNU
SU over FC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 25, 2008, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 25, 2008, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 05:13:55 PM
Thank you sir!  May I have another?!
Captj, zero point two... Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Mr. CNU85, president of USAC house. One point six; four C's and an F. A fine example you set!

SU97... HAS no grade point average. All courses incomplete.

Mr. NAR - MR. NARCH... ZERO POINT ZERO.

greatest. movie scene. ever.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 11:28:05 PM
Perdictions -

Saturday:
NCW over GC
AU over SU
CNU over FC

Sunday:
AU over CNU
SU over FC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 26, 2008, 08:50:02 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 25, 2008, 06:17:58 PM
Captj, zero point two... Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Mr. CNU85, president of USAC house. One point six; four C's and an F. A fine example you set!

SU97... HAS no grade point average. All courses incomplete.

Mr. NAR - MR. NARCH... ZERO POINT ZERO.


Great post, 97.  And the man is correct... fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.  That's why I've been working hard on the fat part.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 26, 2008, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 24, 2008, 06:17:19 PM
By the way, Hall is better than Arrington.  But I'd take Onyie over him any day.

IMHO... Onyie isn't even the best player on his own team.  That would be Mr. Lawrence.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 26, 2008, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 11:28:05 PM
Perdictions -

Saturday:
NCW over GC
AU over SU
CNU over FC

Sunday:
AU over CNU
SU over FC

CNU's best chance for a road victory today...   

I would still be happy with a split this weekend, but couldn't force myself to pick against the hornets.  Nobody will go through conference play without a loss, and I'm thinking you can have two losses on the road and keep a clean sheet at home and you can win this thing outright..

I think we are all a little surprised by the drop in expectations at GC.  Coming off last season it was all but a done deal.  Now I don't know what to think...  They knocked off a #6 ranked (at the time ;)) Guilford but lose to Ferrum at home??  Had they beat FC I probably would have picked them over NCWC. 

Methodist is looking solid, Narch I think that heavy schedule last year has helped get your guys ready.  I am not excited about SU's chances on the GC-MU trip later in the season.  SU has never won at MU (or MC  ;)) and GC is not exactly a friendly place to play for the away team.

There's a lot of pairity in the league this year. After Ferrum's sudden form, this thing is wide open.  I wouldn't count the Captains out either at this point - I mean, defensively they held NCWC under 150. ;D

AU scares me today.  Going to hope that someone can guard Rumley. 

We are going to know a lot after the next 2 days.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 26, 2008, 10:46:45 AM
You say Potato, I say Potato...

(hmmm...  that doesn't make as much sense when you type it, now does it ???)

JLawrence and Onyie are two different type of players.  I would hate to make a call on that one...  I will say that they feed off each other and it's made for some great basketball to watch this year! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 26, 2008, 10:50:52 AM
...and things are so close that I will wait untill Monday to make the call on the NCWC-MU game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 26, 2008, 06:16:41 PM
OUCH! 

Hornets lose by 20+ to Averett today...  not a good night for SU.   :-[

no stats, but listening to it seemed like SU had a ton of Duncans and missed free throws to sink 'em.  Hope we can get the ship righted tomorrow...

Congrats to AU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2008, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
captj and i have a lot more in common than i would have thought - we both have a hot wife who works in the financial industry (i'll bet mine's hotter, though...at least, to me :)), we both apparently fudge a little on the golf course (i don't fudge because i've got extra digits - i fudge only when there's money on the line...gotta make up for a wife that's apparently not as good in the financial world as his), we are in complete agreement on ncwc, and we've both jumped off the cnu bandwagon for this year...of course, i've never been on the cnu bandwagon, so i technically didn't jump off, but you get the drift - j's "maybe next year" sig must be a little disheartening to all the cnu fans/players/coaches :)

i'm looking forward to the monarchs getting some things right over the next few days - i'm anxious to see how they match up with the athleticism of ncwc...i just hope they don't give up 123 :)

I haven't jumped off the CNU bandwagon just yet, narch.  It might be that I'm being dragged behind it, but I haven't let go yet.  I don't think that's going to happen.  But let's face it... this is NOT CNU's year.  Maube next year will be better.  In the meantime I will still be at the games.  I can't say the same thing for my buddy 85.  He's very scarce there these days.  Probably sharpening his golf skills.   ;D

I've missed a few games...mostly being out of town or having to work late. I'm usually on the 'net listening.....not today thought. I didn't look to see the time of the game. So, I sat here all day doing taxes. Then I looked at the boxscore....not sure which was more painful, my tax return or another CNU loss - and they were up by 7 at the half? I had said 7-18....I might have to adjust that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2008, 07:27:14 PM
Oh - I will surely miss next Sunday's game at 4pm. I think there is a football game or something big on TV that afternoon. Super something..can't remember.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2008, 08:31:10 PM
Just some random thoughts about USA South hoops and CNU.

From what I've either read, seen in action, listened on the radio, and with some direct conversations with fans:

1. NCW has the best talent but is not the best team.
2. Most, if not all, USA South teams are "ok teams" except:
3. CNU - which is a really bad team that is not showing any improvement

CNU:

1. Too many changes to overcome
2. Blasingame is truly missed
3. CNU has been a poor rebounding team for years - it has to be a coaching issue....too many teams for too many years have been really bad under the boards. Do we not recruit rebounders? Is it not emphasized? Is it not being properly coached? I don't have an answer - just some questions and thoughts.
4. What's going on with Theo Baker? 19 points one game, zero the next, in the middle teens one game,  4 points the next.....hot and cold...
5. Can this team be more successful by sticking together for next year? Or will it be another poor season if they do?
6. What's missing? Talent? Enough big guys? poor shooting? inconsistent play? What one or two things could be changed to show improvement? I'm not sure. Every game I've seen, I saw a different CNU team. The opening game against Virginia Wesleyan got me pumped - even in the loss. The team that beat Maryland Bible didn't impress me. I've seen moments of brilliant play followed by, as CJ said, "guys start throwing the ball all over the building".

Frustrating indeed. Partly because CNU has fielded really good teams in recent years. An overtime loss away from the final four wasn't that long ago.

Like Captj, I will hang around, even if the wagon has run us over and is pulling us across the gravel. Like Captj, and others, CJ and CNU will continue to get checks from me to support the athletes.

Captj - Trible was there the first game against VWC. I haven't seen him since. And if we ever hit the links together...I'll bring my wallet...but I'm leaving my money at home. I really do suck. The only way I would beat you is if I got you laughing too hard to concentrate.  :D 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2008, 08:34:15 PM
Just looking at the remainder of the schedule for CNU.....

6-19??? Could be.

Yikes. Gotta go look at record book to see last time that happened.....Russell, Vaughn?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2008, 08:57:28 PM
Quick look at the history of CNU hoops. Worse season was 81-82. That year the Caps were 8-18  .308. In order to do that this year CNU would have to finish the regular season at 4-5 and lose in the opening round of the tournament.  I can't see that happening (the winning 4 out of 9 part. I can see losing in the opening round)

I knew I shouldn't have worked on my taxes today - put me in a foul mood.  >:( >:( :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 26, 2008, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 26, 2008, 10:46:45 AM
You say Potato, I say Potato...

(hmmm...  that doesn't make as much sense when you type it, now does it ???)

JLawrence and Onyie are two different type of players.  I would hate to make a call on that one...  I will say that they feed off each other and it's made for some great basketball to watch this year! 

I say Tater Salad!!  :D ;D Now that right there was funny....I don't care who ya are! :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2008, 09:01:31 AM
One thing about CNU's season that sticks out to me is our poor perimeter defense.  Teams have averaged almost 40% on 3-point attempts against us this year.  To put that in perspective, not a single USASAC team has a 3-point shooting average that high.  How are teams able to go off on us like that, especially since our guys aren't exactly packing it inside for rebounds?  Little defensive effort is the reason.  Tip to opposing teams... warm up from outside the arc before the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 27, 2008, 01:14:33 PM
Wake the f*ck up Hornets!!

This is it...

SU needs this game today and Ferrum seems to be on fire.  Aparently we had no outside game last night and Stevie Johns is hurt again.  Not a good sign for the Hornet faithful...  We need a guard (any guard) to step up and drop 20 on FC to give Onyie and JLawrence some breathing room... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2008, 01:48:12 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 27, 2008, 01:14:33 PM
Wake the f*ck up Hornets!!

This is it...

SU needs this game today and Ferrum seems to be on fire.  Aparently we had no outside game last night and Stevie Johns is hurt again.  Not a good sign for the Hornet faithful...  We need a guard (any guard) to step up and drop 20 on FC to give Onyie and JLawrence some breathing room... 

Good news is you get to play CNU one more time!! Good luck today!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2008, 05:12:52 PM
Hey Captj - how was the game in the first half? I just got up from a long nap.....us old guys do that on weekends, right Nartch? I'm holding off on comments other than to ask if the coaches realize that Green has 4 fouls?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2008, 05:48:18 PM
Wow...CNU wins in OT against Averett in Danville. Didn't see that coming.

Great job Captains!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2008, 05:54:26 PM
You guys won't believe this but I originally picked CNU to lose to Ferrum and to win against AU but changed/edited my pick.  Should have gone with the hunch instead of changing it to the safer pick.  It doesn't matter though... CAPTAINS WIN!!!  How important might this loss be to AU at the end of the season? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 27, 2008, 07:40:34 PM
ferrum in first place...wow...

monday night should be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 27, 2008, 09:51:14 PM
apparently the alarm clock didn't go off...  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 27, 2008, 10:18:56 PM
Captj.....i just sent you a PM about secret weapon
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:05:09 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 22, 2008, 05:26:29 PM
NCWC over CNU   (Captain's unveil their new secret weapon:  free beer at the freeman center, causing all conference foes to reschedule.  CNU gets 10 home games and sweeps into second place)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
And by the way, I've been working out and I'm down close to playing weight.  I still have eligibility  left so maybe I could go back and get another grad degree.  Think the Captains could use a 6-5, 220 post player who isn't allergic to the boards?  I'mreally a shade over 6-3, but that equates to 6-5 roster height, doesn't it?  Hey, maybe I could even bounce a couple in. 

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Dave.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:16:13 AM
Here is an early perdiction for next weekend... CNU makes it 3 in a row and defends the Freeman.  Unfortunately, the refs won't show up for the Sunday afternoon game opposite the Super Bowl and no one will witness the game, causing Greensboro team officials to deny that they had lost.  How is this for an unlucky draw in scheduling... with a 4:00 game time, the GC players will be on the bus for almost the entire Super Bowl.  At least CNU fans can drive home quickly and catch the first good beer commercial.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:25:40 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 27, 2008, 09:01:31 AM
One thing about CNU's season that sticks out to me is our poor perimeter defense.  Teams have averaged almost 40% on 3-point attempts against us this year.  To put that in perspective, not a single USASAC team has a 3-point shooting average that high.  How are teams able to go off on us like that, especially since our guys aren't exactly packing it inside for rebounds?  Little defensive effort is the reason.  Tip to opposing teams... warm up from outside the arc before the game.

3's were huge in the AU/CNU game yesterday.  Captains hold AU to 30%.  32 MISSED 3-pointers for AU.  7 more than CNU attempted.  Those guys must have read my post.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
I'm new to the board but I read it all the time and felt the need to add my 2 cents on the CNU situation. I was on the CNU team last season and wanted to provide an "inside" perspective.


Quote from: CaptJ on January 25, 2008, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
j's "maybe next year" sig must be a little disheartening to all the cnu fans/players/coaches :)
Oh come on, narch!  Players and coaches don't read this board!

You'd be surprised how many players log on and read this. I remember doing it after every game last year haha.


Quote from: CNU85 on January 26, 2008, 08:31:10 PM
3. CNU has been a poor rebounding team for years - it has to be a coaching issue....too many teams for too many years have been really bad under the boards. Do we not recruit rebounders? Is it not emphasized? Is it not being properly coached? I don't have an answer - just some questions and thoughts. 

I never thought I'd be doing this... but I have to defend Coach Woollum here. Yes, rebounding and defense have been a problem for CNU for years now but its not the coaching staff that should be blamed for it. Every day in practice last season we did numerous drills focused on rebounding and defense but coaches can only do so much. And not talking about everyone on the current CNU team, but if the players don't have the heart and passion to play good, strong defense and fight in the trenches for rebounds then that's on the players individually. We had the same problem last year but this year it seems to be a bigger problem.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 28, 2008, 05:19:02 PM
I wonder if the magic number isn't going to be three losses wins it this year? I think two might be stretching it now.

CNU85 I'll agree with your rebounding assessment. But I think it's a conference thing. Haven't seen all the teams this year but of the ones I have seen, too many guys leave technique aside after five minutes and are going/depending on pure athleticism going to the boards. Teams with lesser athletes but more sound fundamentals outrebound them by simple positioning and boxing. Its not always enough to be able to jump higher and that can be very hard to get guys to accept.




Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2008, 05:21:19 PM
CNU One -- I kind of thought CaptJ was being sarcastic but didn't want to mention that and raise his ire again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
I'm new to the board but I read it all the time and felt the need to add my 2 cents on the CNU situation. I was on the CNU team last season and wanted to provide an "inside" perspective.
How interesting!  Care to give us a hint on your identity?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 05:50:17 PM
SU blew it yesterday...  congrats to Ferrum on a come-from-behind victory. 

Since it has been a crazy weekend I think why stop tonight:  Methodist wins in OT.  Yeah, I know, it's crazy...   or maybe since I went 0-for-everything on my picks this weekend (kind of like SU's outside shooting), I should jinx NCWC by picking them...  either way I am thinking it should be a good game tonight.

I'm sure the coaches are glad SU will be back home this weekend to get things back on track!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
I'm new to the board but I read it all the time and felt the need to add my 2 cents on the CNU situation. I was on the CNU team last season and wanted to provide an "inside" perspective.

Welcome.

+1 Karma for posting on the board.

-1 Karma for being affiliated with the dreaded Newports.  (You're new, I hate CNU)

+1 Karma for having played ball. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
And by the way, I've been working out and I'm down close to playing weight.  I still have eligibility  left so maybe I could go back and get another grad degree.  Think the Captains could use a 6-5, 220 post player who isn't allergic to the boards?  I'mreally a shade over 6-3, but that equates to 6-5 roster height, doesn't it?  Hey, maybe I could even bounce a couple in. 

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Dave.

+1 for making a comeback.  But be sure to have a test and an important evening course that you cannot miss on 2/6/08.  Graduate education is so much more important than undergrad and I think everyone here would like to see you succeed.  I am all for education on February 6th. Not so much in favor of it when CNU hosts NCWC.  Be sure your prof lets you out of class... ;D

Seriously, that's cool if you're making a comeback.  I'll root for you as long as you're not playing the hornets and if we ever figure out who you are.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2008, 06:20:05 PM
which ncwc team will show up tonight...the one that played cnu, or the one that played gc...i'm hoping the latter - i don't really care to watch a close, tightly contested game...i'll take a blowout victory by the monarchs:)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
And by the way, I've been working out and I'm down close to playing weight.  I still have eligibility  left so maybe I could go back and get another grad degree.  Think the Captains could use a 6-5, 220 post player who isn't allergic to the boards?  I'mreally a shade over 6-3, but that equates to 6-5 roster height, doesn't it?  Hey, maybe I could even bounce a couple in. 

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Dave.

+1 for making a comeback.  But be sure to have a test and an important evening course that you cannot miss on 2/6/08.  Graduate education is so much more important than undergrad and I think everyone here would like to see you succeed.  I am all for education on February 6th. Not so much in favor of it when CNU hosts NCWC.  Be sure your prof lets you out of class... ;D

Seriously, that's cool if you're making a comeback.  I'll root for you as long as you're not playing the hornets and if we ever figure out who you are.
LMAO... you must be the only one here who DOESN"T know who I am.  I think narch even knows.  Certainly the more "seasoned" of the CNU contingent knows.  The comeback is suggested very much with tongue in cheek.  I'm way too old and couldn't even make my high school team, although I did play on some really good teams when I was in the Navy back in the 80's.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 06:25:29 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P
That's enough for me to figure it out.  Give me a day or so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
And by the way, I've been working out and I'm down close to playing weight.  I still have eligibility  left so maybe I could go back and get another grad degree.  Think the Captains could use a 6-5, 220 post player who isn't allergic to the boards?  I'mreally a shade over 6-3, but that equates to 6-5 roster height, doesn't it?  Hey, maybe I could even bounce a couple in. 

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Dave.

+1 for making a comeback.  But be sure to have a test and an important evening course that you cannot miss on 2/6/08.  Graduate education is so much more important than undergrad and I think everyone here would like to see you succeed.  I am all for education on February 6th. Not so much in favor of it when CNU hosts NCWC.  Be sure your prof lets you out of class... ;D

Seriously, that's cool if you're making a comeback.  I'll root for you as long as you're not playing the hornets and if we ever figure out who you are.
LMAO... you must be the only one here who DOESN"T know who I am.  I think narch even knows.  Certainly the more "seasoned" of the CNU contingent knows.  The comeback is suggested very much with tongue in cheek.  I'm way too old and couldn't even make my high school team, although I did play on some really good teams when I was in the Navy back in the 80's.

Well, you still might start...!  Glad to provide a chuckle, it does take information a while to travel this far north.....  but if Narch knows - then you're OLD.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P
Were you CNU85's favorite player?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P
My guess is that you are MW.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 07:10:03 PM
Hmmmm...  just saw the box scores from the weekend. 

Saturday is not even worth mentioning.  But on Sunday, how does a team out-rebound another team 44-23 and lose?  Oh, 21 turnovers...  once again it looks like the SU big men keep pacing the Hornets:

JLawrence:     vs. AU: 20 points, 5 rebounds
                    vs. FC: 18 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks

Onyie:          vs. AU:  6 points, 17 rebounds
                   vs. FC:  21 points, 15 rebounds

When is someone going to step up and help?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2008, 02:26:29 PM
And by the way, I've been working out and I'm down close to playing weight.  I still have eligibility  left so maybe I could go back and get another grad degree.  Think the Captains could use a 6-5, 220 post player who isn't allergic to the boards?  I'mreally a shade over 6-3, but that equates to 6-5 roster height, doesn't it?  Hey, maybe I could even bounce a couple in. 

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Dave.

It was the 220 that threw me off!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 07:54:15 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on January 28, 2008, 05:19:02 PM
I wonder if the magic number isn't going to be three losses wins it this year? I think two might be stretching it now.

CNU85 I'll agree with your rebounding assessment. But I think it's a conference thing. Haven't seen all the teams this year but of the ones I have seen, too many guys leave technique aside after five minutes and are going/depending on pure athleticism going to the boards. Teams with lesser athletes but more sound fundamentals outrebound them by simple positioning and boxing. Its not always enough to be able to jump higher and that can be very hard to get guys to accept.






Agreed. Jumping higher gets just as many fouls as it does rebounds. Going vertical doesn't get rebounds...gotta play wide to get 'em
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P

Tell your dad to send me an email.... ;)
He can make the National Geographic joke and I'll know who you are! I'm 99% I got it figured out anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 08:41:45 PM
waiting for word fom Narch about the game....since they don't have radio in NC yet.  :D

Info Blackout
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P

Tell your dad to send me an email.... ;)
He can make the National Geographic joke and I'll know who you are! I'm 99% I got it figured out anyway.
I think you're wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 09:15:23 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P
My guess is that you are MW.

haha, no, i'm not MW. I didn't play in all but majority of the games. is that better? I feel like even if I tell my name no one is going to know who I am. I went in the game, did my dirty work, and back to my bench.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 09:41:07 PM
how many favorite players do i have, capj?  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 09:43:31 PM
wow..MU beat NCW......this conference is wide open this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 09:45:58 PM
wow... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.

Let me get this straight - we've figured out you're not JK, KF, RFK or RS. I took out FDR, JFK and LBJ (he had no post game and couldn't rebound). You're obviously not W because POTUS is giving the SOTU address, and since the FBI, FEMA, CIA and NSA don't have offices at CNU I figure that you are...

Colonel Mustard with the Candlestick in the Kitchen.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 10:11:41 PM
Somebody tell Narch to pad his expense account Q1 and get a Blackberry so he can give us live updates from the bleacher seats at MU...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2008, 10:41:49 PM
sorry for the information delay, boys - the monarchs dominated ncwc in the second half tonight (that seems to be a broken record with mu/ncwc games) cruising to an 85-70 win - honestly, i don't know how to figure the bishops...they are oozing with talent - i think i've pinned a couple of things tonight, though -

1. - they have very little mid-range game...their players either get to the rack or they hoist up 3's (with the exception of their center, coleman, who hit a couple of nice 15-18 footers)
2. - they play in the passing lanes so much, that they find themselves out of position on defense...and they don't do a good job getting back in position - sure, they force some to's (mu turned the ball over 23 times, 16 on ncwc steals), but they give up easy baskets, too (mu shot 54%...59% in the second half)

the monarchs did a really nice job on hall and arrington tonight - the biggest thing they did on hall was keep him off the ft line...he took just one foul shot tonight, and when he tried to lean into his defender and get a call, the monarchs just backed off and forced him to put up off-balance shots - he also (rightly) got called for at least one charge trying to draw a foul - the other thing they did was make lenny work on the defensive end, and leumichael smith ate him up, going for 19 with about 2/3 of those points coming against lenny - arrington was just off tonight and didn't seem to put much effort into the game, to be honest...he just didn't seem to play hard tonight at all - he finished 3-9 with 2 boards...a kid with that athletic ability and that body should NEVER have a line like that (but i hope he does at least one more time this year) - best moment of the game...arrington is ALL ALONE and tries to tomahawk one down...and it goes off the rim into the 5th row...right into the "riddle rowdies" (more on them later)...they had a little fun at his expense, then the monarchs came down and hit a 3...dagger - ncwc should get the ball to coleman a little more - he's a skilled big man who can carve out space and has good moves facing and with his back to the basket (he's probably more dangerous facing), but he should be a better rebounder, too - shuford had more 2nd half rebounds (8 ) than he had in the game (4), and the kid is 6'7"/215 - i wasn't enamored with drake last year, and he did nothing to impress me tonight, either (2-9, 6 to's)

on to the monarchs in my next post...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2008, 11:00:51 PM
i was very impressed by the effort put forth by the monarchs tonight - leumichael smith continues to impress me...he took it right to the bishops tonight and finished with 19 points on a very efficient 9-12 shooting - the monarchs weren't strong with the ball tonight, especially in the first half, and smith tried to do too much at times, but the negatives were more than outwieghed by the positives in his performance tonight - shuford was shuford tonight...at least in the 2nd half - if i remember correct, he had 4 pts/2 reb at the half and ended with 15/10 - he also made a couple of really nice passes - mcbryde did not play in the second half because he took a shot in the kisser that probably needs stiches (mu needs a better cut man on their bench :)), so young marcus connor played his most significant minutes tonight - he performed quite well pulling down 5 boards, scoring 2 points and altering at least 3 or 4 shots with his long frame - he's already progressing well and learning - the last time i saw him play, every rebound went down to his waist and he lost the ball a couple of times...tonight, everything was high until traffic cleared for him to make an outlet pass - the game seems to be slowing down for him a bit - his continued development will be important for mu on both ends of the court - mcdade had a solid 14/8 night, but he hoists too many threes for my taste...i think if he were a more selective shooter, he'd be more effective - my new favorite monarch, tyler sigman, had another really steady night - he chipped in 12 points, 4 boards, 7 assists (vs. 2 to's) and a steal and played pretty solid defense (primarily on cobb) - he hit a couple of big 3's and was where he needed to be almost every time down the floor, on both ends - there is nothing about his game that will make you go "wow" and he's got to be the second least intimidating player in the conference (lehmann is probably the least intimidating), but that kid just gets it done - he was especially big in the first half, making crisp passes when everyone else seemed to be sloppy with the ball - lehmann and winstead played solid minutes in the back court for the monarchs as well, and both hit big threes at crucial times

i've seen this team play four times this season (i missed the au game), and honestly, when they play at their best (and tonight wasn't their best), they can play with anyone in this conference...big games and the toughest road trip in the conference are on tap this weekend...2-0 and the monarchs are clearly in this thing...a split or 0-2 isn't the end of the world, but it wouldn't be good - i said it at the start of the season, but i think 4 losses wins the conference this year...3 wins it outright

the crowd tonight was really good, too - easily the loudest, rowdiest they've been all season - to the kappa sig's who were at the game...don't stop...keep doing what you're doing and get your friends to join you - you were great!

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2007-08%20Stats/mum0128.htm)
game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/ncwesleyan0128.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 11:07:14 PM
Narch, congrats on a good win - looks like your guys dominated in the paint tonight and moved the ball around (26 assists). 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2008, 11:10:51 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 11:07:14 PM
Narch, congrats on a good win - looks like your guys dominated in the paint tonight and moved the ball around (26 assists). 
i wouldn't have thought the pts in the paint stat was so lopsided while i was watching the game, but looking back, there were a lot of layups...usually with nice passes preceding them :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: narch on January 28, 2008, 10:41:49 PM
arrington was just off tonight and didn't seem to put much effort into the game, to be honest...he just didn't seem to play hard tonight at all - he finished 3-9 with 2 boards...a kid with that athletic ability and that body should NEVER have a line like that (but i hope he does at least one more time this year) - best moment of the game...arrington is ALL ALONE and tries to tomahawk one down...and it goes off the rim into the 5th row...right into the "riddle rowdies" (more on them later)...they had a little fun at his expense, then the monarchs came down and hit a 3...dagger

I can't figure it out.  Arrington killed SU two years ago and again he only gets 20 minutes.  There has to be something here we aren't seeing because he's not getting the time a player of his talent should.  Although, Drake showed well at SU the other night and more than made up for Arrington's lack of PT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2008, 11:16:24 PM
it is somewhat embarrasing that the monarchs don't at least have an internet broadcast - i thought the local station that did the football games was fantastic, but i guess they're not interested/able to do the hoops games - it seems like mu would be able to find a mass communications student or two to do a broadcast, as well...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 28, 2008, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 11:13:31 PMI can't figure it out.  Arrington killed SU two years ago and again he only gets 20 minutes.  There has to be something here we aren't seeing because he's not getting the time a player of his talent should.
you bring up a good point, '97 - maybe i'm being a bit harsh on the kid...he could be grinding through some injury issues, or maybe he missed last year due to injury and isn't at 100% yet - if that's NOT the case, he's wasting a tremendous amount of raw talent
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 28, 2008, 09:43:31 PM
wow..MU beat NCW......this conference is wide open this year.
It keeps getting tighter and tighter... 

I'm out.  Stay Classy San Diego.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr.Flair on January 28, 2008, 11:31:10 PM
Yea the conf is def wide open.. As it should be.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on January 29, 2008, 12:49:05 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.

this is fun  ;D. I'm curious now... who is CNU85's favorite player???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 29, 2008, 01:06:37 AM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 09:15:23 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: CNU One on January 28, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
This probably doesn't help much but  I was only put into games for energy, defense and rebounds so I know a little something about that aspect of the game.   :P
My guess is that you are MW.

haha, no, i'm not MW. I didn't play in all but majority of the games. is that better? I feel like even if I tell my name no one is going to know who I am. I went in the game, did my dirty work, and back to my bench.

I know who you are!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2008, 06:46:01 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.

Let me get this straight - we've figured out you're not JK, KF, RFK or RS. I took out FDR, JFK and LBJ (he had no post game and couldn't rebound). You're obviously not W because POTUS is giving the SOTU address, and since the FBI, FEMA, CIA and NSA don't have offices at CNU I figure that you are...

Colonel Mustard with the Candlestick in the Kitchen.
SU97 needs to hit the comedy circuit. Amother very funny post. Chortle, guffaw!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2008, 06:47:15 AM
Quote from: CNU One on January 29, 2008, 12:49:05 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.

this is fun  ;D. I'm curious now... who is CNU85's favorite player???
Uh... read carefully.  I told you in the post you quoted.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2008, 06:47:52 AM
Congrats to the Monarchs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
fayetteville observer game story (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=284255)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on January 29, 2008, 08:57:44 AM
Quote from: narch on January 29, 2008, 08:13:20 AM
fayetteville observer game story (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=284255)

Congratulations ... big win over a talented team ...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on January 29, 2008, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.


JK decided not to play  >:( (I tried to talk him into coming back). I don't know what happened to RS. The only reason I'm not playing is because my eligibility was up. We tried getting me an extra year but the NCAA turned that idea down. I would have rather played with this years team than last year's. The current team has a number of talented guys but being that 3/4s of the team is new, it is going to take some time (more than I thought it would take) for them to gel.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2008, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: CNU One on January 29, 2008, 09:20:14 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.
85's fav!  Welcome.

JK decided not to play  >:( (I tried to talk him into coming back). I don't know what happened to RS. The only reason I'm not playing is because my eligibility was up. We tried getting me an extra year but the NCAA turned that idea down. I would have rather played with this years team than last year's. The current team has a number of talented guys but being that 3/4s of the team is new, it is going to take some time (more than I thought it would take) for them to gel.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 29, 2008, 11:50:36 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 28, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 28, 2008, 09:36:49 PM
OK, then either you are CNU85's fvaorite player or you are RS.  There are only a handful of subs that played in a majority of the games, didn't start, and weren't called on for an offensive spark.  That short list should be KF (CNU85's fav) and RS. Judging by the frequency with which he hoisted up 3's, JK was an offensive specialist, so I'm ruling him out.  I think you are RS based on your "energy" comment.  What happened to you?  We could use some energy this year.

Let me get this straight - we've figured out you're not JK, KF, RFK or RS. I took out FDR, JFK and LBJ (he had no post game and couldn't rebound). You're obviously not W because POTUS is giving the SOTU address, and since the FBI, FEMA, CIA and NSA don't have offices at CNU I figure that you are...

Colonel Mustard with the Candlestick in the Kitchen.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D +1K!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 29, 2008, 04:42:20 PM
whew...all of these intials just gave me a headache! So, I asked who CNU One really is and got an answer. Yes indeed he is my favorite player. I like a guy who has a dream, a goal, never gives up and finally achieves it. Plus, being a fellow Bruin didn't hurt either!!

Welcome to the board CNU One!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2008, 06:32:34 PM
This might be stating the obvious to some, and a disappointment to others considering the disdain that most feel for CNU, but ANY team can beat any OTHER team on any given day this year.  I hope two things... that some team gets hot and puts together a good run to represent the conference well in the post season, and that that team is the CNU Captains!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr.Flair on January 29, 2008, 07:15:30 PM
I kno CNU will put together a good run going into the conf turnament. it seems like we're finally clickin at the rite time........
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 29, 2008, 09:12:32 PM
In an attempt to liven the board a little between game days....what did everyone think with the laest front page headlines on d3hoop.com.....

"New hands, usual place"...

cracked me up!! :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 30, 2008, 12:05:59 AM
And one. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 31, 2008, 02:20:07 PM
i wish there was at least one ncwc poster on this board that could explain to me how that team, with all that talent, is 1-4 in conference right now - drake was roty and hm all-conf last year - arrington was a 2nd teamer and probably finished as runner-up in roty voting during his frosh campaign, lenny hall has been a 1st teamer twice and a 2nd teamer as a frosh and has to be in the poty conversation - cobb, williams and coleman would be in the regular rotation for every school in this conference, and would probably start at most

looks like they let one slip away last night vs. au (i really wanted them to win that game, if you can't tell :)) - they led by 11 at the half and lost by 1 - look at the last 10 seconds in the play-by-play (http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/2007-08/stats/ncwm0130.htm#GAME.BOX)...looks like they fouled rumley with no time on the clock in a tie ball game (after fouling him on the defensive side of the court with 9 seconds left)...tough way to lose

edit: here's the game story (http://www.averett.edu/athletics/display_story.php?id=1104)...ncwc led by 24 at one point...ouch
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 31, 2008, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: narch on January 31, 2008, 02:20:07 PM
...ncwc led by 24 at one point...ouch
wow...

Quote from: narch on January 31, 2008, 02:20:07 PM
looks like they let one slip away last night vs. au
My vote for understatement of the year...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 31, 2008, 07:05:31 PM
Good post narch, I just looked at the play by play myself and noticed there was a foul called with no time left on the clock and looking at the officials for that game (Manny Upton, Dennis Ashcraft, Matt Myers), I wonder who made the call and was it legit enough to warrant a whistle. But then again, it probably shouldnt have come down to that with NCW leading by 24 at one points and by 11 with around 5 or 6 minutes to go.

But I have to agree with you narch, that team is LOADED with talent and how they've lost as many games as they have is beyond comprehension. Im baffled, I really dont know what to say. They drop 123 on CNU at home and then let a 24 point lead slip away to Averett at home is simply amazing. There has been a wealth of talent that has gone thru there in the past few years with Keith Sudler and Bradley Blue to name a couple. I just cant see how they have underachieved as often as they have in the past few years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 31, 2008, 07:13:52 PM
To be honest I was kinda rooting for NCWC...  maybe they can find their form against Ferrum Sunday.

Things should shake out this weekend.  Big games in Winchester, GC on Saturday and MU on Sunday.  Real excited about watching the game Saturday, the SU-GC game last year was real physical, should be a good one.

Looking forward to the game Sunday - I'm excited to watch Smith play, he seems to be emerging as one of the top young guards in the conference. Narch - I'll let you know how your guys played - but probably AFTER the other game on TV...  

Here's my picks:

SU over GC
MU over CNU

SU over MU
CNU over GC
NCWC over FC

Everybody drive safe - we're expecting some ice and snow in the forecast.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 31, 2008, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 31, 2008, 07:13:52 PM
To be honest I was kinda rooting for NCWC...  
Let me rephrase that...  I was rooting for AU to lose.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 31, 2008, 07:42:25 PM
What the hell...ill throw my two cents worth in on picking games this weekend.

Ill take the Hornets in a squeaker over GC at home as they rebound from two losses last weekend.
Ill also go out on a limb and take CNU in a two-point win over the Monarchs

Sunday...
Methodist over SU....only because the Captains defeated MU the day before so they will be looking to take out some frustrations
GC over CNU....same reasons
Ferrum goes on the road and defeats NCW....nuff said on that one..
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on January 31, 2008, 07:46:11 PM
Of course I would love to the see the Captains win both this weekend, but Im just not sure its going to happen. In all honesty, I banked on CNU winning at Ferrum and losing at Averett, not the other way around, especially being on the road and playing back-to-back games. Im excited to sit in Freeman this weekend and catch a couple good games. Just gotta be home in time for kick-off on Sunday. A die hard Giant fan doesnt get to see his team in the Super Bowl that often so I gotta watch that one!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr.Flair on February 01, 2008, 02:18:42 PM
it will def be a tough weekend at the freeman center for us since we play two really tough teams. hopefully we'll be able to put some quality wins together, esp since we're coming off the tough win in danville
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 02, 2008, 06:09:05 PM
Congrats to MU. They just played better today. CNU played with more intensity and emotion tonight - more than I've seen all year. I liked the hustle this afternon. Another tough one tomorrow. I hope the crowd is a good as it was today. But I think the Superbowl will keep many at home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 02, 2008, 06:52:53 PM
looks like mcdade played pretty well  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 02, 2008, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: narch on February 02, 2008, 06:52:53 PM
looks like mcdade played pretty well  ;)

he did ok. Captj coulda bounced in 42 pts! no big deal! :D :D :D ;D ;D :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 03, 2008, 12:17:49 AM
M. Green... 9 off. rebounds and just ONE def. rebound?!  How do you even DO that?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 03, 2008, 12:23:36 PM
SU breaks my heart again...  gave another conference game away to GC last night. 

I wonder: Is any foul commited in the last two minutes of a game "unintentional?"

Methodist on the clock. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 03, 2008, 12:30:28 PM
Congrats are due JLawrence for passing Al White on the all-time rebounding list at Shenandoah yesterday.  While Al will always be my all-time favorite player at SU, I am very pleased to see Jeremiah be the one to pass him.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 03, 2008, 12:53:31 PM
Today is an absolute must-win for the Hornets.  Win and you're still in the hunt, lose and you spend the rest of the season jockeying for position to NOT draw the same bracket as NCWC for the conference tourney. 

Looking for a Hornets win today!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 03, 2008, 05:44:32 PM
nice weekend for the monarchs...i'm going to have to do some research and find out when they last won both games of this tough trip...if the capts. can hold their 2 point lead and the bishops can pull out the "w" against ferrum, there's a 3-way tie at the top
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 03, 2008, 07:23:26 PM
I'm starting to see some nice things from CNU. Mostly the intensity and emotion. More later - Superbowl is on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 03, 2008, 07:32:54 PM
Why in the world did Lenny Hall not start and why did he only play 27 minutes? Interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 03, 2008, 08:40:51 PM
Some thoughts about the team after this weekend's 2 games. I like the line up CNU has started (for the most part) the past two games. Barton, Whinnett, Baker, Taylor, and Green. 4 of the 5 are playing extremely well as of late. Baker is just out of sync this year. Not sure what's going on there. I noticed today that at times he was out of position on D as well as not popping his threes like he did last year.

Taylor is a beast. He should be a linebacker on the football team. He has that kind of mentaility. He was trying to get into the head of Methodist's McBryde. Credit to McBryde for just playing hoops and not getting caught up in Taylor's jawing.

Green - glad to see he gets the start. He is a very intense player. Never stops and actually gets rebounds.

Also good to see Fr Paul Going get some time at point guard. I noticed he was at times in the game at the same time as Barton...giving Barton some time as a shooting guard.

Whinnett - has stepped up as a leader. I love his emotion. I also like the way he gets the crowd pumped up. Too bad he is a Junior.

Mustian plays hard. Not sure why he didn't get much time today against GC.

Barton is clearly a team leader.

Joshua Russell. Before today's game I wasn't a big fan. I felt like the game at this level seemed fast to him. After today -4 three pointers...2 of them in extremely Clutch situations, I've changed my mind. His clutch shooting and very very tough defensive play were nice to watch. You could see his confidence grow in this one game. Good job, J Russell !!!

That's about it....I'll comment more on other players after a few more games. Good to see CNU with a win. The conference season is now at the halfway point. Only 2 games separate top from bottom......

It's wide open Fellas!! An opening home tournament game is not out of the question - for anybody!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 03, 2008, 11:10:45 PM
Quote from: narch on February 03, 2008, 05:44:32 PM
nice weekend for the monarchs...i'm going to have to do some research and find out when they last won both games of this tough trip...if the capts. can hold their 2 point lead and the bishops can pull out the "w" against ferrum, there's a 3-way tie at the top
A great weekend for the Monarchs and a catastrophic one for the Hornets.  Advantage; Methodist.  However... the conference is very balanced from top to bottom.  At the midpoint of the conference schedule no team has more than 4 wins and none have more than 4 losses.  ANY team can put together a great run to close out the season, and I "perdict" the it will be a surprise team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2008, 02:04:58 PM
i know you've all been waiting for this :)...here are my mid-season awards, starting with pvr calculations:

PLAYER   PPG   RPG   STEALS   APG   BLOCKS   TO'S   PVR
LAWRENCE - SU   22.3   11   9   0.5   9   14   52.7
BARTON - CNU    21.5   4.2   12   6.67   0   24   48.9
RUMLEY - AU   18   6.2   12   6.83   2   24   47.6
NICHOLSON - GC   19.3   5.2   8   4.5   1   12   45.1
MCDADE - MU   21.7   5   3   1.5   8   14   43
                     
ONUNAKU - SU   13.3   12   10   2.83   3   22   41.6
MITCHELL - FC   14.3   11.3   7   0.5   6   16   39.1
WHINNETT - CNU   14.3   7.8   8   1.7   6   11   37.8
SMITH - MU   17   3.7   10   3   2   14   36.7
CRUMP - FC   20.5   3.3   9   1.8   0   20   36.6
                     
HALL - NCW   15.2   3.5   21   4.17   0   24   35.6
SHUFORD - MU   10.5   7.7   10   2.67   3   11   33.4
ARRINGTON - NCW   16.3   3.5   4   1   3   4   32.7
DRAKE - NCW   13.2   4   11   3   6   19   31.8
COLEMAN - NCW   12.5   7.8   6   0.7   1   9   34.1
                     
GREEN - CNU   11.7   7.2   5   0.5   7   8   30.9
TAYLOR - CNU   14.2   4   10   0.8   1   6   30.2
GODSEY - FC   10.7   6.3   7   0.8   6   7   29.1
ZAMUEL - GC   13.8   4.8   5   1.8   2   21   28.2
BROWN - AU   10.5   6.5   3   1   0   4   27.3

and here are the awards themselves:
player of the first half - lawrence...no discussion necessary...he's a beast
rookie of the first half - mitchell, fc - smith from mu was a close second
coach of the first half - bill tharp, fc

co-poster's of the first half - cnu85, su97...great insight to add to nice volume...both have stayed active despite some tough times for their team
comeback poster of the first half - captj...let's face it, unless gcgullet or pridesportbbguy make a HUGE comeback in the second half, this award is all his
where are you poster - pride1...this poster was one of few words, but is sorely missed
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2008, 02:17:19 PM
mu last won both games of the su/cnu trip in the 02-03 season...twice since they've lost both games...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 04, 2008, 05:26:12 PM
Thanks for the award Narch...Now I know how it feels to win something from Madden!!  :D

Hey - what about Swish? - he's dropped into nowhere land.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 04, 2008, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: narch on February 04, 2008, 02:04:58 PM
and here are the awards themselves:
[comeback poster of the first half - captj...let's face it, unless gcgullet or pridesportbbguy make a HUGE comeback in the second half, this award is all his
I'm so gellin my eyes are wellin.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 04, 2008, 09:04:55 PM
I'd like to thank the academy...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 04, 2008, 09:33:51 PM
oh boy...  where to start...

Disaster in Winchester over the weekend.

I have no idea how we lost the GC game on Saturday. Sunday was no different.  Obviously Onyie and JLawrence are the only guys who show up every night, the rest is a crap shoot...  Not to dwell on it, but it's like deja vu from last year all over again.  Hornets went 3-20 (15%) from 3pt vs MU and 1-15 (6%) VS. GC.  That's a stellar 4-35 for the weekend.  Sad part is that Onyie hit all three against MU.  Meaning our guards went 0-17...   

Let me find something positive to say... okay, at least it seems like the Schrader kids looks legit.  I hope he starts to get a little more time.  I have no answer for the guard situation, although maybe CaptJ does has that year of eligibilty left... 

GC:  Nicholson is a nice player.  He singlehandly stole Saturday's game at the end.  But I think they really miss the presence down low from last year.  That could hurt them down the stretch.

MU:  I have to say I really like the product the Monarchs put on the floor.  I'd rate McDade, he's a quality player. The big man was 3-4 from behind the arch.  Clean shooter and plays outside well for a big man.  SU had no answer for him.  Shuford is a lot of fun to watch, he's like a mini-Sam Porter from a couple of years ago.  He hustles, I think he had a double-double against us, and he never quits. And Smith...  WOW what a show he put on.  Like the first jam wasn't enough he had to pull the ole alley-op out of the playbook...  dude, he is going to tear up this league the next few years.  Quick, explosive and just glides through the lane - SU had to put Onyie on him 1v1 just to slow him down.  He's a clone of CNU's Barton... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 04, 2008, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 03, 2008, 08:40:51 PM
It's wide open Fellas!! An opening home tournament game is not out of the question - for anybody!

Oh come on CNU85 - the die is cast, it's not like any underdogs have a chance.  You know, like the Giants had no chance to knock off the Patriots yesterday!  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 05, 2008, 01:09:42 AM
So Im thinking, based on SU97's post that the Hornets will torch the nets on Wednesday. As much as it pains me to say it, but I have the strangest feeling they Hornets will just go crazy in Shingleton.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 05, 2008, 12:02:00 PM
I agree wit RTT - for some reason I think SU will pull out the W. They are ticked about their weekend....and will take it out on CNU. SU has extra confidence going into this one because they beat the Caps in the Freeman.

CNU will be the underdog......what a week for underdogs, eh? :D ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 05, 2008, 05:20:41 PM
will you two stop jinxing my hornets...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 05, 2008, 08:31:20 PM
No jinx intended SU97! SU could very well torch the nets on Wednesday and it may not be a pretty sight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 05, 2008, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 05, 2008, 05:20:41 PM
will you two stop jinxing my hornets...

;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 05, 2008, 10:18:30 PM
Quote from: narch on February 04, 2008, 02:04:58 PM
i know you've all been waiting for this :)...here are my mid-season awards, starting with pvr calculations:

PLAYER   PPG   RPG   STEALS   APG   BLOCKS   TO'S   PVR

Hey narch,

I don't think my Captains are appropriately represented in your PVR statistic, so I've analyzed your formula and I see what the problem is.  You haven't included the all-important AVERAGE ATTENDANCE statistic!!  I believe that when you do so you will find at least 7 Captains on your first team.  It should be like this...

PLAYER   PPG   RPG      STEALS      APG   BLOCKS   TO'S   AVG ATTND    PVR

I mean, come on... if no one sees them play, why bother?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 06, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 05, 2008, 10:18:30 PMHey narch,

I don't think my Captains are appropriately represented in your PVR statistic, so I've analyzed your formula and I see what the problem is.  You haven't included the all-important AVERAGE ATTENDANCE statistic!!  I believe that when you do so you will find at least 7 Captains on your first team.  It should be like this...

PLAYER   PPG   RPG      STEALS      APG   BLOCKS   TO'S   AVG ATTND    PVR

I mean, come on... if no one sees them play, why bother?

cnu has 4 guys among the top 20...only ncwc can boast that depth of talent

attendance is largely a product of enrollment and the size of the community around the campus - i've ranked the usasac schools in order of avg attendance divided by undergraduate enrollment with surrounding city and metropolitan size in parenthesis

au - .443 (48,411 city, 107,087 "metro" area)
fc - .402 (1,313 "city", 4,066 county)
su - .290 (55,893 city, 215,384 primary statistical area, 10 Million+ in metro)
cnu - .218 (181,913 city, 1.65 million in metro area)
ncwc - .209 (55,893 city, 146,276 "metro" area)
gc - .204 (244,610 city, 1.5 million in metro area)
mu - .180 (299,060 city, 341,636 metro area)

while cnu clearly plays to the largest crowds, the average crowd is a small fraction of their total undergraduate enrollment - when you factor in metropolitan or statistical areas, it becomes very evident that cnu crowds are greatly underperforming :)

on the other hand, it's also clear that there is little to do in franklin county va other than watching ferrum hoops :)

sources: wikipedia for population #'s, collegeboard.com for enrollment figures, usasac website for average attendance
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 06, 2008, 04:18:12 PM
I am no match for you, narch.  Nicely done!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 06, 2008, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: narch on February 06, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
cnu has 4 guys among the top 20...only ncwc can boast that depth of talent


That surprised me, frankly.  Whinnet, Green and Taylor have definitely stepped it up for conference play.  If you used all games instead of conference only, my guess is that Green and Taylor would be nowhere in sight, and that Whinnet would be 3rd or 4th team.  Barton is solid 1st team though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 06, 2008, 05:10:43 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 06, 2008, 04:22:04 PMIf you used all games instead of conference only
you know my feelings on that...playing teams like m'ville, etown, guilford and vwc is a whole lot different than playing roanoke bible, maine presque island, penn state berks and the like...

i hope that more than 18% of the mu undergraduate population is at the game tonight, and i hope that whatever % is there is LOUD...this is a big game
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 05:11:29 PM
Too much analysis for me. It gives my tiny brain a headache. It's all I can do to add 2 points for each layup.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 09:26:32 PM
SU97 - I  guess we didn't jinx your team enuff. Another good win over CNU. I guess you get to pull your broom out since you have swept us away this year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 09:26:32 PM
SU97 - I  guess we didn't jinx your team enuff. Another good win over CNU. I guess you get to pull your broom out since you have swept us away this year!

There's a lot of dust on that broom...  I don't think we've ever swept you guys since we joined the conference.  But it DOES feel good...   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:33:39 PM
Narch - congrats on the win tonight, MU all alone in first...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:35:24 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:33:39 PM
Narch - congrats on the win tonight, MU all alone in first...
oops..  tied for first with AU.  Sorry Narch.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 09:40:16 PM
Man, does CNU ever miss Blasingame!!

Get well big guy - and hurry back!!

I think with Blasingame, CNU is at least a .500 team this year.

(and if we could get that secret weapon Captj in a jersey and let him bounce them in - we're undefeated!!) :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:50:56 PM
I don't care that both teams are at the bottom of the conference, a win over the Captains is a rare treat.  JLawrence put in another solid performance with 25 points and 17 rebounds.  Every game I think he must be around 10 points and 10 boards and then you look at the box score and he's put in another amazing performance. Once he got the dunk in during the second half I knew we were going to get the W.  Onyie stole the show for most of the night with some great blocks and inspired play, I think he ended up with another double-double.  The missing touch from outside finally made an appearance - especially when freshman Brandon Bryan drained 3 straight from behind the arch.  Great win for the hornets and I'm happy for the rest of the year now, regardless of how SU finishes... ;D

CNU85:  you would have been very proud of Barton.  :34 seconds left, game is already  in the bag and the kid is still determined to make something happen.  He blows past 3 defenders and somehow pulls up for a leaner that floats past Lawrence's outstretched hand and rolls in.  I caught a look in his face that echoed that he hadn't given up, won't give up.  I think he ended up with 20 points and he's a lock for a first team selection in my book.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 09:40:16 PM
Man, does CNU ever miss Blasingame!!

Get well big guy - and hurry back!!

I think with Blasingame, CNU is at least a .500 team this year.

(and if we could get that secret weapon Captj in a jersey and let him bounce them in - we're undefeated!!) :o

I still think Blasingame gives you a shot at the top slot. SU outrebounded CNU by 53 (21 offensive) to 29.  Blasingame was good for 10-15 a game... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 09:40:16 PM
Man, does CNU ever miss Blasingame!!

Get well big guy - and hurry back!!

I think with Blasingame, CNU is at least a .500 team this year.

(and if we could get that secret weapon Captj in a jersey and let him bounce them in - we're undefeated!!) :o

I still think Blasingame gives you a shot at the top slot. SU outrebounded CNU by 53 (21 offensive) to 29.  Blasingame was good for 10-15 a game... 

not to mention 4 blocks per game!! Plus making people change the way they play inside
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 06, 2008, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 09:50:56 PM

CNU85:  you would have been very proud of Barton.  :34 seconds left, game is already  in the bag and the kid is still determined to make something happen.  He blows past 3 defenders and somehow pulls up for a leaner that floats past Lawrence's outstretched hand and rolls in.  I caught a look in his face that echoed that he hadn't given up, won't give up.  I think he ended up with 20 points and he's a lock for a first team selection in my book.  

That's good. I'm sure it was partially influenced by playing with Selden. I have never seen a guy who hates to lose as much as Selden. He took over many games for CNU and "willed" a win to happen. Who will ever forget (CNU fans, that is) when he drained three from the FT line with no time left on the clock to keep the season alive!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 06, 2008, 10:26:22 PM
Onyie's four blocks tonight gave him sole possession of the career record at SU.

Game Story  (http://www.su.edu/athletics/hornets_news.cfm?spid=1879)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 06, 2008, 11:47:35 PM
what a spectacular night of college hoops...the monarchs get a big w and the blue devils stick it to the tarholes...couldn't get much better for me

mu was really dominant tonight, from the opening tip - they jumped out to a 14-0 lead, led by as many as 20 in the first half and the lead was single digits for only a few seconds in the second half - leumichael smith was incredible...he absolutely ate up nicholson, scoring 22 on 9-12 shooting - two of his shots were highlight reel shots - mcdade's shot was off tonight, but he was big rebounding the ball - shuford scored 17 on 6-7 shooting from the field and 5-5 from the ft line...he's really improved from the foul line this season, especially lately - mcbryde had a very productive 17 minutes, scoring 10 points, gettting 5 boards and blocking 3 shots - winstead scored 10 in 13 minutes, but there was a time in the second half when gc cut into the mu lead and he just took over...hit 2 big threes, had a nice finger roll layup, got an assist - that production off the bench is key - the monarchs were an amazing 26-35 inside the arc tonight (74%!!!!) - they also out rebounded gc, which is nice, especially after the way gc got on the glass in greensboro - tyler sigman had a really nice game defensively, as well - he checked zamuel for most of the night and held him to 4-13 shooting - that's a tough matchup...zamuel is a big, strong kid at 6'3"/200 and he's got some athleticism - marcus connor played some nice minutes for the monarchs, as well - he didn't stuff the stat sheet and only had one block, but he influenced at least 4 or 5 other shots...he should be solid for mu if he continues to develop and gets in the weight room to add muscle/strength/weight

i was mostly unimpressed with nicholson - he got abused on the defensive end and he seemed to force a lot of shots...the kappa sig monarch maniachs were chanting "ball hog" every time he touched the ball...funny and appropriate - he and zamuel certainly aren't shy about shooting it, and nicholson likes to pound the ball into the floor a lot - i was shocked at how ineffective tamini was for gc...the kid is HUGE, but just didn't show up - i thought gc would try to go inside more, but they are so guard oriented and it seems like everything they do is to get one of those guards a shot - their bigs do set really nice screens, and the guards use them well, but their bigs don't roll off the screens effectively, allowing the defender to hedge pretty agressively

i don't think this monarch team has reached it's full potential...lehmann is still struggling shooting the ball (although he is such a steady influence on the offense when he's in the game) - mcdade is so confident that he doesn't always take great shots - smith turns the ball over to much...but if they continue to play as they have the last 4 games, i can see them as a legit usasac champion - different guys have stepped up when needed and allowed them to be multiple and balanced, and they're really executing their stuff right now...great cuts, crisp passes...it's fun to watch

lastly, attendance was listed at 422, but i swear it looked like more than that to me...i'd estimate at least 450 :)...but they really were loud and got into it...lots of fun!

box score (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/2007-08%20Stats/mum0206.htm)
game story (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/greensboro0206.htm)

congrats to su, as well...beating cnu twice in one season must feel REALLY  nice...i hope mu can experience that feeling :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 07, 2008, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: narch on February 06, 2008, 11:47:35 PM
what a spectacular night of college hoops...the monarchs get a big w and the blue devils stick it to the tarholes...couldn't get much better for me

:D +1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 07, 2008, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: narch on February 06, 2008, 11:47:35 PM
leumichael smith was incredible...he absolutely ate up nicholson, scoring 22 on 9-12 shooting - two of his shots were highlight reel shots

Possible early lead candidate for ROTY??   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 08, 2008, 02:38:09 PM
Last night I went to Charlottesville to see UVA destroyed by Clemson.  My very first ACC conference game.  Fourth row tickets... under the boards, 15 feet from the players.  I am now absolutely convinced that the D3 rosters I see are blatantly optimistic in their listed heights and weights.  Here is what I saw -

UVA
Ryan Petinella 6-9, 249
Mike Scott, 6-8, 233
Jerome Meyinsse, 6-8, 245

Clemson
James Mayes, 6-9, 230
Raymond Sykes, 6-9, 220

These five guys are freakin HUGE!  Giants!  They make CNU's Marko Hamlin (listed at 6-7) look like a little boy.  Do you think that at the ACC level they might actually be MINIMIZING the size of these guys on their rosters?  I'm starting to think that at 6-3, 230, I might be listed as 6-6, 255 on the CNU roster.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 08, 2008, 09:10:59 PM
lehmann named academic all-district (http://www.methodist.edu/monarchs/mbasketball/academic020808.htm)...congrats!

captj - i think some teams may list heights liberally at all levels, although at the d1 level there is more incentive to the players (ie: playing at the next level) - my experience with size in d1 vs. d3 isn't necessarily the height as much as it is the girth...there are very few 220+ pounders at any height in d3...there are plenty of guys that big or bigger in d1 - i think the heights that mu lists are all pretty legit
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 09, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
Yeah, I agree.  It's very likely that SOME teams tweak the numbers and some don't.  I remember a game early in the season against either Wesley or Curry when I thought that the opposing team appeared LARGER than the heights/weights listed in the program.  I don't see the advantage of fudging the numbers.  It all comes down to 5 on 5 out on the floor, and the tallest team doesn't always win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
perdictions:

monarchs by 8
cougars by 12
hornets by 3 in ot
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 09, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
Quote from: narch on February 09, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
hornets by 3 in ot

Hope there's no OT in that one...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2008, 06:00:45 PM
monarchs lose by one and miss an opportunity to put some distance between themselves and the pack as gc beats au and su gets a one point w over ncwc...tough loss
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 09, 2008, 10:29:15 PM
Hornets win by one, Monarchs lose by one, G'boro routs Averett. WOW what a weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 10, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
After the 1-point losses to Ferrum and Greensboro, it's finally nice to see the Hornets steal one that they should have lost...  I almost turned the radio off in the first half, Arrington came off the bench to hit his first 3 from behind the arch and NCWC jumped out to a 17 point lead  halfway through the first half.  SU shot 29% from the field - the radio guys (nice to see the band back together) could have shot better...  Credit due to the Hornets, they started chipping away at the lead and got back in it behind JLawrence's 15 point first half.  Things heated up in the second frame, as SU shot 54% overall and 47% from 3pt.  The last couple of minutes were tight - NCWC was up by as many as 4 within the 5 minute mark, and SU took the lead with 23 seconds left on a layup from JLawrence...  I thought Narch's OT prediction was going to materialize at the end, but a number of NCWC attempts fell short.

A couple of cool points for the Doah:   

*First win at NCWC since 1999   :o

*Onyie got his 1000th point

*JLawrence got his 14th double-double of the year (with 28 pts and 17 boards)

*SU acctually hit a 3 point shot on the road... ;D


Mathematically, everyone is still in this race.  Makes Tuesday HUGE.  GC-FC will either keep FC tied for the lead or keep GC in the hunt. An FC loss would give us an outright first place squad - the AU and MU match up has all the makings of a prize title fight. I'm acctually picking MU to take that one and I think GC will win with their back against the wall.  I'm thinking NCWC decides to put on a shooting clinic at CNU, but the Captains keep it close as they always do.  Look for a close one at the freeman,  but the Bishops talent is too much.  NCWC at the buzzer. AU on the clock for the Hornets. 

'Till next week:  Bud Light, suck one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 10, 2008, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 10, 2008, 12:36:59 PM


Bud Light, suck one.

True
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 05:22:57 PM
It's Super Tuesday in the USA South...  big games tonight! 

MU over AU
GC over FC
NCWC over CNU

Good luck to everybody tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:23:28 PM
2OT down in Ferrum...

Narch - the AU feed kicked me off with like 20 seconds left, how did  it end up?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:27:59 PM
hmmmm...  got the CNU game wrong.  Looked like NCWC made a late run to close the gap, but the dreaded newports held on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2008, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:23:28 PM
2OT down in Ferrum...

Narch - the AU feed kicked me off with like 20 seconds left, how did  it end up?
i couldn't get it to come up at all...i have no idea what happened and it's KILLING ME...

edit: found a box score on the au site...monarch 75, au 68

the monarchs shot 10% better from the field (67.4%) than they did from the ft line (57.1%) tonight...mu shot a blistering 74.1% in the first half - mcdade had 18, mcbryde had 13, shuford and smith had 10

box score (http://www.averett.edu/statistics/mbasketball/2008/aum0212.htm)

am i really rooting for gc to get a "w" tonight??? - i think it's 75-75 in the bottom of the 5th...at least that's what d3scoreboard says :)

7:30 PM  Greensboro  75  Ferrum  75  BOT 5
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:43:04 PM
nice win for your Monarchs Narch.

am I reading this right - ANOTHER OT in ferrum?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: narch on February 12, 2008, 09:34:54 PM
am i really rooting for gc to get a "w" tonight??? - i think it's 75-75 in the bottom of the 5th...at least that's what d3scoreboard says :)

7:30 PM  Greensboro  75  Ferrum  75  BOT 5

yeah - I think they just pulled Billy Wagner from the bullpen...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:53:20 PM
81-80 in favor of FC in 15 overtimes...   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 12, 2008, 10:01:47 PM
cnu and ncwc combine for 206 points in regulation, and fc/gc combine for 161 in 3 ot's...when the capts and bishops get together, it must be fun to watch
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 12, 2008, 10:03:25 PM
it is fun to watch narch because all both teams do is shoot and for some reason they all seem to find the bottom of the basket!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2008, 10:12:52 PM
It was a fun game to watch...even with NCW runs, I felt as though CNU was in control. Sitting next to Captj was fun, too. He was stressed at times.

Captj - it was fun yelling at the refs with you tonight. They were really bad.

Barton drops in a career high 36, CNU outrebounds NCW....NCW shoots 47%,CNU 52%...only 11 and 10 turnovers for NCW and CNU, respectively.....very fun game to watch.

Let's see what happens this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:27:59 PM
hmmmm...  got the CNU game wrong.  Looked like NCWC made a late run to close the gap, but the dreaded newports held on.

;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 12, 2008, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2008, 10:12:52 PM
It was a fun game to watch...even with NCW runs, I felt as though CNU was in control. Sitting next to Captj was fun, too. He was stressed at times.

Yeah... 85 came down out of the nosebleed section tonight.  Stressed?!  Me?  What a game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 12, 2008, 11:19:43 PM
What a night in the USA South, I tell yeah. MU goes on the road and beats Averett, Ferrum led by 15 at the half and let it get away but held on to win in...yeah...triple overtime!! And the captans win a track meet over NC Wesleyan. Gotta love a great night in the USA South!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on February 13, 2008, 09:26:31 AM
Last night's game was the best I've seen CNU play all season. They were aggressive from the jump and didn't let up. We actually got to see them fight for rebounds, dive on the floor for loose balls, and simply play like they wanted the win. Can't say enough about Davon. He is really stepping up as the leader of the team. I started having flashbacks to last years games near the end when NCWC made the run at the end but the Captains held on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 10:18:22 AM
I was joking with Captj last night about the rebounding. CNU was actually blocking out. They were also called for a few fouls while blocking out. I told Captj that the refs aren't used to seeing CNU blocking out, so when they did see it they must have thought it was against the rules! ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 10:25:13 AM
I think CNU should keep the pink shoe laces!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:22:45 PM
I agree, PINK ALL WEEKEND!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:22:45 PM
I agree, PINK ALL WEEKEND!!

Yeah, you looked hot in that pink shirt, RTT!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:22:45 PM
I agree, PINK ALL WEEKEND!!

Yeah, you looked hot in that pink shirt, RTT!  ;)

You know I could probably find one for you to don this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on February 13, 2008, 03:04:03 PM
i wanted a pink shirt too but i didn't know where to get it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:22:45 PM
I agree, PINK ALL WEEKEND!!

Yeah, you looked hot in that pink shirt, RTT!  ;)

You know I could probably find one for you to don this weekend.

Bring it and I'll wear it. My wife is a nurse and works for an oncology surgeon. I'd be happy to wear pink.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 03:47:30 PM
Quote from: CNU One on February 13, 2008, 03:04:03 PM
i wanted a pink shirt too but i didn't know where to get it.

Be nice to Tavi or Tommasino!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 13, 2008, 04:09:55 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 13, 2008, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2008, 12:22:45 PM
I agree, PINK ALL WEEKEND!!

Yeah, you looked hot in that pink shirt, RTT!  ;)

You know I could probably find one for you to don this weekend.
I would like one also, RTT.  Size XXL.  That cause means a LOT to me right now... look at my current hairstyle and you might understand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 14, 2008, 01:10:26 AM
I dont even know where they came from to be honest with you. I was handed a shirt and told to wear it! Ill see if I can dig some up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 14, 2008, 12:50:18 PM
USASAC           W-L  GB
Methodist         6-3   - 
Ferrum             6-3   -
Averett            5-4   1
Shenandoah      4-4   1.5
Greensboro        4-5   2
CNU                 3-5   2.5
NCWC              2-6   3
NY Mets           0-9   6

This one is as close a race as any going into the final two weekends of the season.  Most teams have 3 games remaining (some 4) and the next 5 days could set us up for a crazy final weekend.  A few thoughts down the stretch:

Top 3:

The remaining schedule favors MU to take home the regular season title.  Two of their final three games are at home and the away trip is not only a short one, but also against the last place team in the conference.  They get 4th place SU at home and a 6th place CNU the next day.  Ferrum has the same opponents left, but they have to travel to SU and CNU.  NCWC comes to their place. Averett too has the same common opponents left, but, like Ferrum, travel to SU and CNU.  Being a game back means they need to win and need some help from others against FC and MU.  I'm still a believer in home-court advantage and I think this is going against AU and FC down the stretch.

The Rest of the Pack:

SU is in the same position, sitting 1.5 games out of first and needing a little help...  unfortunately the schedule is pretty tough for the Hornets. They have 4 left to play, but those games include both teams tied for 1st place, the 3rd place team and the 5th place team.  The top half of the conference... but it also means they at least have the opportunity to control some of their own destiny.  Like AU, SU would need help from others and need to win out.  Historically, the GC-MU trip is a nightmare for the Hornets, having never won at MU.  GC has the same 3-game schedule left as MU, FC and AU.  At 2 games back, GC is staring at two home games and will most likely be jockeying for a favorable seed in the tournament.  However, a little help from others and they could still be in the hunt.  It's an outside chance, but still a possibility.  CNU is 2.5 games back and staring at four games left to play.  They have 1st place FC and 3rd place AU coming to the Freeman this weekend.  Not an easy schedule by the least.  Although they seem to be playing better in the second half of conference play, this will be a real challenge.  Then they travel to GC and MU.  NCWC is in last?  With the same schedule left as CNU and SU, I wonder if they might play the role of the spoiler...  I see them stealing a game at home this weekend.  Which game they take could mean all the difference in the world...   

And my Mets are always six games back... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 14, 2008, 01:32:24 PM
Hey 97... very nice.  In my opinion, hte real race is for the home game in the tournament.  After that, any team has the ability to put together a couple of good games in Newport News to get the NCAA banner.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 16, 2008, 06:39:21 PM
Captains play poorly and still find a way to win.  What a conference battle this is turning out to be! 

HUGE crowd today to see CJ Woollum be inducted into the CNU Athletic Hall of Fame.  Congratulations, CJ!  And Brandon Jones, as well.  I know you remember him, don't you narch? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 16, 2008, 06:50:34 PM
Is this right?

USASAC           W-L
Methodist         6-3     
Ferrum             6-4   
Shenandoah    5-4
Averett             5-5 
Greensboro      5-5 
CNU                  4-5   
NCWC               2-7   (I really needed these guys to hold on and beat Gsboro today!)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2008, 08:35:45 PM
Wow...CNU has a lot to play for the least 3 games.....it's called a home 1st round tournament game a week from Tuesday! I wouldn't have thought that after starting the season 1-8, that CNU would be in a position to be 5-5 in conference play with a W tomorrow!!

Maybe that's why CJ is nearing 500 wins and was inducted today into the CNU sports hall of fame...and he's not retired!!

Captj and I chatted at the game about only having 1  senior on the team.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2008, 08:37:40 PM
Captj - I "perdict" your Karma will be back to zero in 24 hours!

Dude- you can bounce in a higher FT % than Russell!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2008, 08:53:07 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 16, 2008, 06:39:21 PMAnd Brandon Jones, as well.  I know you remember him, don't you narch? 
stud...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 10:07:53 PM
I have to echo CaptJ sentiments on CNU's win over Ferrum today. It was ugly and a lot of sloppy play on both ends. Tho CNU did do just enough to win it. Thomas Whinnett was a beast today, hitting for 25 and eight or nine boards. Davon had a horrible day and still dished out nine assists, had nine points and grabbed six rebounds.

I was hoping for a NCW win today, but CNU is now 2 games out of last place and could jump ahead of Averett with a win tomorrow, which would give them a sweep of the Cougars and put them ahead of them in the loss column. Should be a great game tomorrow, I cant wait to watch it. CNU will need their A game and I also look for Barton to play considerably better than he did Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 10:09:09 PM
Dang I got dinged, Im down to 10 on the karma scale!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
up to 11, RTT
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 10:40:31 PM
Thanks 85! I appreciate it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2008, 11:00:23 PM
12
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
narch you are an amazing individual, thank you so kindly.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 17, 2008, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
narch you are an amazing individual, thank you so kindly.
...thanks, i guess...i just pressed a button that said applaud under your name...it's not like i ended world hunger or cured some disease - i can assure you i don't hear "you are an amazing individual" very often...

you guys know i could really care less about the whole "karma" thing for myself, but what bothers me is this...someone is obviously not man or woman enough to post on this board, but feels the need to "smite" those that do post here - i feel pretty certain that cnu85, captj, rtt, su97 and cnuone aren't "smiting" folks, yet we're the only ones that are posting...to the lurking "smiter"...please join our conversation and give us your valuable insight since you feel ours is so off-base that you are logging on specifically to "smite" us
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 17, 2008, 04:42:34 PM
so
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2008, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
narch you are an amazing individual, thank you so kindly.
...thanks, i guess...i just pressed a button that said applaud under your name...it's not like i ended world hunger or cured some disease - i can assure you i don't hear "you are an amazing individual" very often...

you guys know i could really care less about the whole "karma" thing for myself, but what bothers me is this...someone is obviously not man or woman enough to post on this board, but feels the need to "smite" those that do post here - i feel pretty certain that cnu85, captj, rtt, su97 and cnuone aren't "smiting" folks, yet we're the only ones that are posting...to the lurking "smiter"...please join our conversation and give us your valuable insight since you feel ours is so off-base that you are logging on specifically to "smite" us

I think the whole applaud and smite thing is funny. Where else can you watch grown men get upset over something so meaningless? I can't remember who it was, but someone on a football board had about 130...I popped him everyday until he hit 90....another guy had about 25....I pushed him to a negative number....hoops talk in a minute.....19 laps from now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 07:22:17 PM
caution laps....


Hoops talk... CNU...9-14....who woulda thunk it after the 1-8 start and how they were playing back then. This week was HUGE! CNU found ways to win, no matter what.

I think this is how the home court scenario is shaping up for CNU......Greensboro is the team in the way. To simplify it...if CU wins the last 2 (both on the road...so a very difficult task at hand) and they get to play at home in the first game.  There are 8 conference games left...I think these last few days will be like the last few laps I just watched of the Daytona 500.....hang on....here comes the fun.

Captj - has your blood pressure returned to normal? I knew CNU had it in the bag!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 07:30:18 PM
Today's game....wow. CNU pulled it together yet another way. This time Whinett had 30....that's 55 for the weekend...a member of the d3hoops.com team of the week?? He played all 45 minutes. He got the crowd into the game...single handedly-showing great emotion. If only Blasingame was playing, Whinett could play facing the basket and then lookout!

Davon....wow...not feeling well...winded....played 41 minutes....a TRIPLE DOUBLE!!! D3hoops team of the week??

Conley Taylor.....another solid game...but something isn't right. Body language is telling me something is wrong. It's been there the past few games. Not sure what it is. Maybe he's not feeling well, either? I've been watching it for the past few games but can't put my finger on it.....something is not right...he's not "into it".

Brandon Duke...great job on Senior night. Good luck after you graduate in May!

Green....another good game. Last night he wasn't able to hold onto the ball...tonight he did.

It will be fun this week watching the win-loss column after each game!

Gotta love it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 07:50:55 PM
Captj,

Are you there? At home taking oxygen? It was as much fun watching you as it was the game. When Mustian didn't follow that one shot to the hoop, I thought for a minute that you were gonna run out there and tackle him!!

don't worry...inside my calm and cool outside, I am bleeding CNU blue. There's just too much ice in my veins.....

good news for tonight...it's been about 2-3 years, but I now have a favorite cheerleader again. My favorite must have graduated a while back....but I found a new one tonight! Too bad season is almost over.  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 17, 2008, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 07:50:55 PM
Captj,

Are you there? At home taking oxygen? It was as much fun watching you as it was the game. When Mustian didn't follow that one shot to the hoop, I thought for a minute that you were gonna run out there and tackle him!!

don't worry...inside my calm and cool outside, I am bleeding CNU blue. There's just too much ice in my veins.....

good news for tonight...it's been about 2-3 years, but I now have a favorite cheerleader again. My favorite must have graduated a while back....but I found a new one tonight! Too bad season is almost over.  :D :D

Dude, those girls are teenagers!

Yeah, I about popped an artery when Mustian didn't follow that shot.  I should be used to it by now.  If he had taken ONE (1) step FORWARD after shooting instead of TEN (10) toward the other end of the court, he would have had an easy rebound.  I am appalled at the arrogance of the CNU players when they take a shot.  It is like they KNOW FOR CERTAIN that every shot they take is going to go in. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 17, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
Great win tonight, Captains.  Poor Jimmy!  He puts really good teams together that just can't seem to beat CNU.  He's now 1-8 all-time against the Captains.  His heart has been broken in our gym sooooo many times.  I feel for the guy, I really do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 08:22:07 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 17, 2008, 08:07:38 PM


Dude, those girls are teenagers!
 

See, your mind went to the gutter. I know they are teenagers...I have a 17 yr old daughter....I just like the way she cheered!! ;D :D ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 17, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
Great win tonight, Captains.  Poor Jimmy!  He puts really good teams together that just can't seem to beat CNU.  He's now 1-8 all-time against the Captains.  His heart has been broken in our gym sooooo many times.  I feel for the guy, I really do.

It's funny how the sarcasm isn't as obvious on a message board!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 09:13:36 PM
and Captj breaks into positive Karmaland!!   :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 09:24:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2008, 09:13:36 PM
and Captj breaks into positive Karmaland!!   :D :D :D :D :D
He must be a real-life example of Vincit qui patitur.

:D  8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 17, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
You know I thought CaptJ was going to have a coronary when Mustian didnt follow his shot, or any of the other CNU players who assumed their shot was going to drop and fade towards the opposite end of the floor. Could you guys get on the officials anymore about the traveling calls! Sheesh! They were bad, they did miss a few, granted. It was nice to see alot of fans come out and support the Captains, even tho i know it was HOF weekend and Faculty Appreciation Day and Academic Recognition Day, etc. Shaping up to be an exciting final week in the regular season. The Captains just need to take care of their two games and not worry about who defeats who and who loses to who and all that rot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2008, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 17, 2008, 04:42:34 PM
so
so....easy
so....predictable
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 08:41:53 AM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2008, 08:01:37 AM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 17, 2008, 04:42:34 PM
so
so....easy
so....predictable

at least it was spelled correctly!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 17, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
Could you guys get on the officials anymore about the traveling calls!


Did you notice? Oh my - those refs were horrible. Pulling on jerseys, no foul....hacking at arms...no foul....rebounding over a guy's back...no foul.....getting a rebound and hopping around like it's Easter already...no call. And it was on both ends of the court...really really bad. Then at the end of regulation, they start calling it tight.....kids looked frustrated on both teams......AU has one kid that played quite a bit and got his first foul either near the end of regulation or in overtime....yet one of their top players exits with 5.....go figure!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 08:47:32 AM
Contemplating a road trip...not sure if I can swing it...2 meetings at work to get around.

RTT - how far to Greensboro? Then, how from from there to MU and then back to NN?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 08:48:52 AM
At one point in the game when I found myself yelling at the ref and Captj was ready to burst a vein in his head, it reminded me of the two old guys in the balcony on the Muppet Show!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 10:14:52 AM
Unnecessary Quotation Mark
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 18, 2008, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 17, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
You know I thought CaptJ was going to have a coronary when Mustian didnt follow his shot, or any of the other CNU players who assumed their shot was going to drop and fade towards the opposite end of the floor.

I'm not going to have a coronary.  I told you guys, I'm in training to play ball for the Captains next year.  My ticker is STRONG.  Low BP and cholesterol of 146.  I'm working on increasing my upper body strength.  Now all I need to do is find a graduate program in real estate.

How about this for a front line... Blasingame, Whinett, and CaptJ.   :) ;) :D ;D :o 8) ??? ::) :-X :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 18, 2008, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 17, 2008, 09:48:19 PM
The Captains just need to take care of their two games and not worry about who defeats who and who loses to who and all that rot.
Amen, brother! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 18, 2008, 11:29:27 AM
I sure hope that Thomas Whinnett is nominated for Player of the Week.  He averaged 24 points and 9 boards for the 3 games, all WINS for the Captains.  Come on, CJ... send in the nomination.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2008, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 08:47:32 AM
Contemplating a road trip...not sure if I can swing it...2 meetings at work to get around.

RTT - how far to Greensboro? Then, how from from there to MU and then back to NN?



4 1/2 to Greensboro, from there its about 2 to Fayetteville and from there its 4 hours home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 10:14:52 AM
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huh?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2008, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 10:14:52 AM
Unnecessary Quotation Mark
Do not use quotation marks for common nicknames, bits of humor, technical terms that readers are likely to know, and trite or well-known expressions.
nice try...but you lose

the quotation marks used were to indicate a direct quote and source, which is not only common courtesy to help those who are reading (it prevents comments like huh?), but also required by most standard mla style guides
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 18, 2008, 02:05:25 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2008, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 10:14:52 AM
Unnecessary Quotation Mark
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nice try...but you lose

the quotation marks used were to indicate a direct quote and source, which is not only common courtesy to help those who are reading (it prevents comments like huh?), but also required by most standard mla style guides

Why don't you two let the rest of us in on the joke.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2008, 02:26:37 PM
i have an uneasy feeling about the mu/ncwc game tonight...the bishops are so talented, and there is always a little something extra between these two teams - the monarchs need this win in a bad way if they want that #1 seed...

by the way, i'm also NOT looking forward to mu playing cnu on saturday
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2008, 02:52:24 PM
I hear what you are saying narch, NCWC is scary talented but you really dont know which team is ever going to show up. It could be the team that dropped 400 on CNU in Rocky Mount or the one that shoots 15% from behind the arc. And given that its in Rocky Mount, that scares me much more.

As for Methodist on Saturday, if we win at Greensboro Friday, yeah I would be scared too, but if we get drilled....5-7 it is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 18, 2008, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2008, 02:52:24 PM
As for Methodist on Saturday, if we win at Greensboro Friday, yeah I would be scared too, but if we get drilled....5-7 it is.

I don't agree with that, mongoose.  I think there is a chance we could make the top-4 at 6-6, and that our guys will fight for every point they can get.  We are a different team than we were a month ago.  Whinnett has learned what Captain's basketball is all about, and his intensity is rubbing off on the entire team (with the possible exception of C. Taylor, who seemed completely uninterested most of the time this weekend).  And even if we DON'T get the home game, I'm still not giving up on this team.  We can win on the road, except maybe in Rocky Mount, and thank God we won't have to play there again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 05:53:49 PM
Yeah, I messed around last night witht he schedule and who should beat whom and came up with final conference standings. It was fun. I think, if I did it properly, that CNU could finish 7-5 with someone else. I don't think I had it where CNU would be 7-5 by themselves. There also could be a huge log jam at 6-6 in which case the "Hoodini" coin toss could come into play. (I probably shouldn't put " ". But to quote a famous d3hoops poster... "so")

;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:24:34 PM
Ok, who said "karma" "smite" "smiter" ? That is what I was talking about. I will say you are a tool.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2008, 02:52:24 PM
I hear what you are saying narch, NCWC is scary talented but you really dont know which team is ever going to show up. It could be the team that dropped 400 on CNU in Rocky Mount or the one that shoots 15% from behind the arc. And given that its in Rocky Mount, that scares me much more.

As for Methodist on Saturday, if we win at Greensboro Friday, yeah I would be scared too, but if we get drilled....5-7 it is.

just wear your pink!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:26:10 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D

Captj - he just called you a tool!!

You are now...Captain Jackhammer!!!


whew...and I haven't started drinking yet tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: narch on February 17, 2008, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 16, 2008, 11:20:09 PM
narch you are an amazing individual, thank you so kindly.
...thanks, i guess...i just pressed a button that said applaud under your name...it's not like i ended world hunger or cured some disease - i can assure you i don't hear "you are an amazing individual" very often...

you guys know i could really care less about the whole "karma" thing for myself, but what bothers me is this...someone is obviously not man or woman enough to post on this board, but feels the need to "smite" those that do post here - i feel pretty certain that cnu85, captj, rtt, su97 and cnuone aren't "smiting" folks, yet we're the only ones that are posting...to the lurking "smiter"...please join our conversation and give us your valuable insight since you feel ours is so off-base that you are logging on specifically to "smite" us
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: narch on February 12, 2008, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 12, 2008, 09:23:28 PM
2OT down in Ferrum...

Narch - the AU feed kicked me off with like 20 seconds left, how did  it end up?
i couldn't get it to come up at all...i have no idea what happened and it's KILLING ME...

edit: found a box score on the au site...monarch 75, au 68

the monarchs shot 10% better from the field (67.4%) than they did from the ft line (57.1%) tonight...mu shot a blistering 74.1% in the first half - mcdade had 18, mcbryde had 13, shuford and smith had 10

box score (http://www.averett.edu/statistics/mbasketball/2008/aum0212.htm)

am i really rooting for gc to get a "w" tonight??? - i think it's 75-75 in the bottom of the 5th...at least that's what d3scoreboard says :)

7:30 PM  Greensboro  75  Ferrum  75  BOT 5
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:35:38 PM
Quote from: narch on February 06, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 05, 2008, 10:18:30 PMHey narch,

I don't think my Captains are appropriately represented in your PVR statistic, so I've analyzed your formula and I see what the problem is.  You haven't included the all-important AVERAGE ATTENDANCE statistic!!  I believe that when you do so you will find at least 7 Captains on your first team.  It should be like this...

PLAYER   PPG   RPG      STEALS      APG   BLOCKS   TO'S   AVG ATTND    PVR

I mean, come on... if no one sees them play, why bother?

cnu has 4 guys among the top 20...only ncwc can boast that depth of talent

attendance is largely a product of enrollment and the size of the community around the campus - i've ranked the usasac schools in order of avg attendance divided by undergraduate enrollment with surrounding city and metropolitan size in parenthesis

au - .443 (48,411 city, 107,087 "metro" area)
fc - .402 (1,313 "city", 4,066 county)
su - .290 (55,893 city, 215,384 primary statistical area, 10 Million+ in metro)
cnu - .218 (181,913 city, 1.65 million in metro area)
ncwc - .209 (55,893 city, 146,276 "metro" area)
gc - .204 (244,610 city, 1.5 million in metro area)
mu - .180 (299,060 city, 341,636 metro area)

while cnu clearly plays to the largest crowds, the average crowd is a small fraction of their total undergraduate enrollment - when you factor in metropolitan or statistical areas, it becomes very evident that cnu crowds are greatly underperforming :)

on the other hand, it's also clear that there is little to do in franklin county va other than watching ferrum hoops :)

sources: wikipedia for population #'s, collegeboard.com for enrollment figures, usasac website for average attendance
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: narch on February 03, 2008, 05:44:32 PM
nice weekend for the monarchs...i'm going to have to do some research and find out when they last won both games of this tough trip...if the capts. can hold their 2 point lead and the bishops can pull out the "w" against ferrum, there's a 3-way tie at the top
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: narch on January 22, 2008, 01:21:35 PM
pat - i like the new "skin" for the board - the cream color is very soothing...maybe it will keep captj calm, cool and collected :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:39:11 PM
Quote from: narch on December 05, 2007, 08:56:45 PM
there is a store i drive by on my way to work every day that has had a "going out of business" sale for over 3 years...

the monarchs got HAMMERED by guilford tonight, 74-48 - they shot 29% from the floor and 21% from 3 - they were out rebounded 58-32, they had 3 more to's than assists, they had were only 7-11 from the ft line...just an ugly, ugly game for the monarchs - tough night...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:39:54 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 10:14:52 AM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:43:05 PM
Wow.....hatred abounds!!

Can't wait for the "Nartch" comeback!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:43:41 PM
and I used " " properly
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:48:30 PM
"Did you"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:48:30 PM
"Did you"

you forgot the "?" - tool!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:52:26 PM
rut row...I see Narch is on line....

here it comes....the "Greensboro Bash"

Narch - I don't know how you do it.....keep your interest level up...they make it too easy for you! But it's fun to watch!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2008, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:24:34 PMI will say you are a tool.

Quote from: pride1fan on February 19, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
granted, you are a tool.
wow...almost exactly one year to the date...kinda spooky - so i was a "tool" in february of 07 and i'm still a tool in february of 2008...i'll ask the same question i asked before..."what type of tool?"

and with all of the examples you gave, shouldn't your initial post have been about my unnecessary quotation marks, rather than just the unnecessary quotation mark

i'm still waiting for you to provide any type of valuable basketball insight...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 06:58:18 PM
"weak"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:59:05 PM
Is that a basketball term?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2008, 09:16:52 PM
the monarchs fall to ncwc 74-67 - 23 turnovers did them in, as did 40% shooting from the ft line - 4 in double figures for mu...mcdade with 16, mcbryde with 15, sigman with 15 and smith with 13 - ncwc was led by hall with 17, arrington with 16, drake with 15 and coleman with 13 - the bishops scored 28 points off turnovers (to 12 for the monarchs) - tough loss
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 09:42:53 PM
So nice to be gone for a little while... log back on... and find a quality MU-GC lovefest...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 09:53:59 PM
dont you mean "tough loss"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 16, 2008, 08:35:45 PM
Wow...CNU has a lot to play for the least 3 games.....it's called a home 1st round tournament game a week from Tuesday! I wouldn't have thought that after starting the season 1-8, that CNU would be in a position to be 5-5 in conference play with a W tomorrow!!

Maybe that's why CJ is nearing 500 wins and was inducted today into the CNU sports hall of fame...and he's not retired!!

Captj and I chatted at the game about only having 1  senior on the team.....

I missed this earlier.  (it's about ten pages back, nestled in just slightly past the eloquent Pride1 essay on grammer)

We interupt this regularly scheduled bashing of CNU to bring you a special message:

In all seriousness, I'd have to say congrats to Woolum.  As much as I despise the dreaded Newports, you have to appreciate the success that the man has put together over the years. I'll tip my hat to his induction into CNU's HOF and say congratulations.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating.

"I HATE CNU" 

there, it feels better...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:05:06 PM
I've missed a little since I've been gone... 

SU comes from behind to knock off Averett on Saturday and inch closer behind an outstanding performance from Onyie and an "average" night for JLawrence (11pts - 11rbs).  How frosh Brandon Bryan didn't win ROTW honors is beyond me...  he dropped 19 points against AU following a strong performance off the bench the previous week.  SU needs some bench depth like this to make a run in the conference tournament...

and the MU loss tonight really makes tomorrow's SU-FC game HUGE! 

Hornets still in it... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:08:00 PM
This late run by CNU has me worried...  I can just visualize the veins popping out of PSBBG's neck right now as he wants so badly to log on and make a case for a neutral venue for the tournament...   

EMPORIA
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 16, 2008, 08:35:45 PM
Wow...CNU has a lot to play for the least 3 games.....it's called a home 1st round tournament game a week from Tuesday! I wouldn't have thought that after starting the season 1-8, that CNU would be in a position to be 5-5 in conference play with a W tomorrow!!

Maybe that's why CJ is nearing 500 wins and was inducted today into the CNU sports hall of fame...and he's not retired!!

Captj and I chatted at the game about only having 1  senior on the team.....

I missed this earlier.  (it's about ten pages back, nestled in just slightly past the eloquent Pride1 essay on grammer)

We interupt this regularly scheduled bashing of CNU to bring you a special message:

In all seriousness, I'd have to say congrats to Woolum.  As much as I despise the dreaded Newports, you have to appreciate the success that the man has put together over the years. I'll tip my hat to his induction into CNU's HOF and say congratulations.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating.

"I HATE CNU" 

there, it feels better...



+1k for you

As a diehard Vikings fan, that's exactly how I feel about Brett Favre! I know it takes a lot to put emotion aside and compliment the dreaded rival......

thanks!

P.S.   I hate the Hornets, too!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:09:39 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:08:00 PM
This late run by CNU has me worried...  I can just visualize the veins popping out of PSBBG's neck right now as he wants so badly to log on and make a case for a nuetral venue for the tournament...   

EMPORIA

Madison Square Garden!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 14, 2008, 12:50:18 PM
NCWC is in last?  With the same schedule left as CNU and SU, I wonder if they might play the role of the spoiler...  I see them stealing a game at home this weekend.  Which game they take could mean all the difference in the world...   

Spoiler...   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:17:59 PM
Here's a question for fun...when FC and SU tip off, who should CNU want to win? Should we hope for SU to win out, take first place since they swept CNU and thus other teams CNU has split with end up with a similar record?????

5 of  7 teams are within 1 in the loss column.... AU is only 2 out.....

This weekend is gonna be a blast!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 05:53:49 PM
Yeah, I messed around last night witht he schedule and who should beat whom and came up with final conference standings. It was fun. I think, if I did it properly, that CNU could finish 7-5 with someone else. I don't think I had it where CNU would be 7-5 by themselves. There also could be a huge log jam at 6-6 in which case the "Hoodini" coin toss could come into play. (I probably shouldn't put " ". But to quote a famous d3hoops poster... "so")

;D

you gonna share it??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:17:59 PM
Here's a question for fun...when FC and SU tip off, who should CNU want to win? Should we hope for SU to win out, take first place since they swept CNU and thus other teams CNU has split with end up with a similar record?????

5 of  7 teams are within 1 in the loss column.... AU is only 2 out.....

This weekend is gonna be a blast!!

Always root for the Hornets...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:22:53 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 05:53:49 PM
Yeah, I messed around last night witht he schedule and who should beat whom and came up with final conference standings. It was fun. I think, if I did it properly, that CNU could finish 7-5 with someone else. I don't think I had it where CNU would be 7-5 by themselves. There also could be a huge log jam at 6-6 in which case the "Hoodini" coin toss could come into play. (I probably shouldn't put " ". But to quote a famous d3hoops poster... "so")

;D

you gonna share it??

ok...here it comes...

first I had NCW beating MU tonight....let me find the rest
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:27:33 PM
tomorrow....FC beats SU

Friday
CNU over GC
NCW over AU
SU beats MU

Saturday
CNU over MU
NCW over FC
GC over SU

If I did this right (no guarantee after milk and chocolate rice krispy treats)

CNU 7-5
FC 7-5
who gets tie breaker?

MU  6-6
SU   6-6
GC   6-6
how do they get seeded?

AU 5-7
NCW 5-7
ditto on seeding
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:30:13 PM
I think I also had a scenario where SU and CNU were 7-5. Since SU swept CNU, I didn't like it, so I changed it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:30:13 PM
I think I also had a scenario where SU and CNU were 7-5. Since SU swept CNU, I didn't like it, so I changed it.

OH, I LIKE THAT SCENARIO BETTER ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2008, 10:33:40 PM
Gotta roll out 85 - tomorrow is a busy day...   take it easy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 10:37:14 PM
yep...I'm with you 97.....time to wallow in rice krispy treats!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 19, 2008, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 18, 2008, 06:26:10 PM
:D :D :D :D :D

Captj - he just called you a tool!!

You are now...Captain Jackhammer!!!


whew...and I haven't started drinking yet tonight!

He did?  I like the new nickname!  Drink up, 85.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 19, 2008, 11:38:46 AM
            Conf.   All
Methodist            6-4      14-9
Ferrum             6-4      12-11
Shenandoah      5-4      15-7
Greensboro       5-5      11-12
Chris. Newport  5-5      9-14
Averett            5-6      11-13
N.C. Wesleyan  3-7      10-13

Feb. 19    7:30 PM    Ferrum  at Shenandoah
          
Feb. 22    7:30 PM    Chris. Newport at Greensboro
          
     7:30 PM    Shenandoah at Methodist
          
     7:30 PM    N.C. Wesleyan at Averett
         
Feb. 23    4:00 PM    N.C. Wesleyan at Ferrum
         
     4:00 PM    Chris. Newport at Methodist
         
     4:00 PM    Shenandoah at Greensboro
         
The 3 teams at the top of the conference right now (MU, FC, SU) with conference records over .500 are also the only teams with overall records at or over .500.  I still see them as the teams to beat.  However, when you look at the remaining games it looks like they will be beating up on each other. Each has to play at least one of the other two.

FC gets SU on the road (tonight) and NCWC at home.  I think that the Bishops are going to embrace the spoiler role very well and play fun, high-scoring basketball as though they have nothing to lose (and they don't).  If any of the top 3 teams can win out, I think it is FC.

MU has 2 home games... against the Hornets and against a hungry and vastly improved CNU team.  I don't think they can win both of those games.
SU has the aforementioned games... at MU and at home against FC.  I don't think they can win both of those games.

Tonight's game with FC at SU is going to be HUGE.  If FC wins they will have a firm grasp on the top seed with only a home game against the Bishops remaining.  If SU wins they would still have to win at MU to have a chance at the top seed.

Now, here is what I WANT to happen... CNU wins 2 on the road this weekend to go to 7-5, 11-14.  They HOST a first round game and then run through the tournament in front of 2000 revitalized Captains fans to get their record to 14-14 for the NCAA tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2008, 01:09:22 PM
I'm always lurking, CNU85.

Geez, narch, pride1fan has it in for you worse than I did.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
wow, cnu gets hot and now...a swish3 sighting - that bandwagon is filling up, boys :)

seriously, welcome back

you're right...pride1fan doesn't like me much, but he's so full of basketball knowledge...

i do kinda feel like i've got an internet stalker, though - should i be flattered that he cares so much?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 19, 2008, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
i do kinda feel like i've got an internet stalker, though - should i be flattered that he cares so much?
Hi, I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC, and we're doing a story on online stalkers...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2008, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on February 18, 2008, 09:53:59 PM
dont you mean "tough loss"
not sure how i missed this, but no - i meant tough loss in a literal sense, not a parenthetical sense - thanks for your query, however

i have two questions for you:
1. don't you mean don't (apostrophe added)?
2. what do you think of gc's chances to win the usasac regular season and/or tournament title?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2008, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: swish3 on February 19, 2008, 01:09:22 PM
I'm always lurking, CNU85.

Geez, narch, pride1fan has it in for you worse than I did.

GO CAPS!

Who is that masked man? Swish - you're alive!!! where ya been?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2008, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
wow, cnu gets hot and now...a swish3 sighting - that bandwagon is filling up, boys :)

seriously, welcome back

you're right...pride1fan doesn't like me much, but he's so full of basketball knowledge...

i do kinda feel like i've got an internet stalker, though - should i be flattered that he cares so much?

Ha, ha....thanks, bro.  I suppose my timing is suspicious but, quite honestly, it's purely coincidental.  Early on, I accepted that CNU would have a losing season, so any recent success has just been icing on the cake.  I will admit, though, if CNU can manage to get a first round home game, things could get interesting.

He does seem to care quite a bit, but I'd decline any potential invitations to meet up somewhere. ;)

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on February 19, 2008, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2008, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: swish3 on February 19, 2008, 01:09:22 PM
I'm always lurking, CNU85.

Geez, narch, pride1fan has it in for you worse than I did.

GO CAPS!

Who is that masked man? Swish - you're alive!!! where ya been?

I've been around....closer than you realize.  I read the board often, but don't post much anymore.  Have no fear, I'll always be a die hard CNU fan, which is something that won't ever change.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 19, 2008, 09:32:10 PM
Mama said there'd be days like this...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 19, 2008, 09:57:49 PM
I saw at one point SU went what, almost the last 8 plus minutes of their game against FC without a field goal? That just puts the Panthers in the driver seat, 7-4 and NCW at home. WOW...who would've "thunk" it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2008, 10:06:35 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 19, 2008, 09:57:49 PM
I saw at one point SU went what, almost the last 8 plus minutes of their game against FC without a field goal? That just puts the Panthers in the driver seat, 7-4 and NCW at home. WOW...who would've "thunk" it.

scroll back a page....i had FC over SU....I'm now 2-0 this week!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2008, 10:14:25 PM
onyie and lawrence a combined 7-31...ouch

rtt...i don't think anyone would have "thunk" fc would be in the drivers seat, and honestly, i'm still not a believer - they may win the regular season, but i don't see them surviving the tournament...not sure who i DO see winning the tournament, but it's not ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 19, 2008, 10:21:12 PM
I see where you are coming from narch, can they win back-to-back games under pressure situations? Probably not, i think the only good thing that could be on their side is that its on a neutral floor (unless they are playing CNU). But this is definitely one of the more stranger years in the USA South that ive seen in a long time. It has definitely made it a very exciting season to watch and I hope it continues thru next Saturday's championship.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 19, 2008, 10:22:19 PM
When we go to bed Friday night:

FC - 7-4
MU - 6-5
SU 6-5
CNU 6-5
GC 5-6
AU 5-7
NCW 4-7
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 19, 2008, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 19, 2008, 09:57:49 PM
I saw at one point SU went what, almost the last 8 plus minutes of their game against FC without a field goal?

SU just fell apart in the second half...  Hornets shoot 19% from the floor, 16% from 3pt.  Just a nightmare the last 15 minutes.  Ferrum played some tough D, and the late turnovers just crushed the home side...

Quote from: narch on February 19, 2008, 10:14:25 PM
onyie and lawrence a combined 7-31...ouch

Granted, Onyie and JLawrence were not shooting well, but nobody else seemed to help.  The point guard situation continues to deteriorate and I really hate to see this happening to this group of guys.  I hope they salvage a win this weekend, stay in the hunt for hosting a first round game and then go off in the Tourney.  This bunch has the talent to make a run, I believe that JLawrence has the heart to carry them all the way.  He just needs some others besides Onyie to pick things up when things go south.

I just hope this heartbreaker of a loss doesn't send them into a tailspin. Would prefer that this not be the last time I get to see Onyie and JLawrence play.  They deserve better than this. 

Here's to another home game at the Shingleton...  cheers.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2008, 12:41:08 PM
Narch checked your messages.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2008, 04:18:59 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2008, 12:41:08 PM
Narch checked your messages.

He's busy hiding....

CNUUUUuuuuu's  in the house!!

:D :D :D

ok  ok  .... I'll go back to work now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2008, 11:11:43 PM
Go Hornets...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2008, 06:02:51 PM
cooped up in the house with a nasty case of the flu...but still prescient enough to see results for the weekedn

tonight - monarchs by 5, captains by 8, cougars by 4
saturday - monarchs by 1 in ot, hornets by 3, bishops by 9
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2008, 06:39:34 PM
anyone who  is sick and can still use Cossell-type words is ok in my book!

Get well Narch!!

+1k to help the sniffles
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2008, 09:35:00 PM
i guess my fingers sniffled when typing, too (weekedn)

saturday is setting up to be huge for both monarch teams (men & women) - i'm pretty certain that a monarch win assures them a #1 seed regardless of the ncwc/ferrum outcome and i know the ladies would secure a #1 seed with a win (by virtue of their sweep of ferrum) - should be a lot of fun in the riddle center on saturday
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2008, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 19, 2008, 10:22:19 PM
When we go to bed Friday night:

FC - 7-4
MU - 6-5
SU 6-5
CNU 6-5
GC 5-6
AU 5-7
NCW 4-7

I was close....just got the SU/MU game wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2008, 11:29:08 PM
whoda thunk it? After a 1-8 start, then some sporadic play and then a conerence start of 0-3......CNU has won 6 of the last 8??

Wow....Never in my wildest imagination did I think these guys could win 10 games after what I watched during that 1-8 start. Then when conference play started at 0-3, I figured CNU was possibly going to have the worst season in school history.

Wow - guess I'll just keep my mouth sut and watch these guys play hoops and come together as a team (and pray for Blasingame's healthy return next year!!).

CNU wins at GC by 24 in Greensboro tonight? Did I read that right? Can't wait for box score on that game (RTT is working now).

A CNU win or a SU loss assures CNU of a home game Tuesday. I think that's right...too tired to look too deep into it. Just got back from taking my wife on a hot date to Hooter's tonight!! Actually, I think she took me :D :D 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2008, 11:35:18 PM
HAHAH...Narch is gonna love this one....

I just found the recap on GCs athletics webpage. They wrote that the score was 79-50 and that the game was played on 2/20....as Narch would say..."instant classic"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 23, 2008, 12:04:40 AM
With NCW's OT win over Averett the Captains are almost assured of a home game on Tuesday. If SU wins and CNU loses, both are 6-6 and tied for third, with the Hornets getting the tie-breaker by virtue of its sweep of the Captains, which would put CNU in fourth. If the Captains lose and GC wins, CNU is third because of its sweep of the Pride. If the Captains win, they are assured of nothing worse than a third place finish. Sooooo......the Capts are home Tuesday night. A Captains win and a Ferrum loss creates a three-way log jam at 7-5. Should be interesting, cant wait to see how things play out Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on February 23, 2008, 12:22:37 AM
RTT.....if the men do get a home game.....(and the women will).....is it 5 and 730???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 08:10:46 AM
i think i've got all the scenarios hammered out:

if mu loses, fc loses, gc loses:
mu
fc
cnu
su
ncwc
au
gc

if mu loses, fc loses, gc wins:
fc
cnu
mu
gc
su
au
nc

if mu wins, fc wins, gc loses:
mu
fc
su
cnu
au
gc
ncwc

if mu wins, fc wins, gc wins:
fc
mu
cnu
gc
su
au
ncwc

if mu loses, fc wins, gc wins:
fc
mu
cnu
gc
su
au
ncwc

if mu loses, fc wins, gc loses:
fc
mu
cnu
su
au
gc
ncwc

i could be wrong...my head is a little cloudy from meds
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:09:42 PM
the monarchs need to keep the pedal to the metal...a 4 point halftime lead is now 13, but they can't let up
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:21:46 PM
sounds like barton is trying to do it all for the captains...monarchs up 66-47
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:21:46 PM
sounds like barton is trying to do it all for the captains...monarchs up 66-47
Are you posting from the game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:34:34 PM
captains making it interesting...lead down to 10

captj - listening on the internet...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:39:28 PM
It looks like the Monarchs are going to pull this one out.  They just seemed to want it more.  The first round bye is huge in this craziest-of-all season, and it seems pretty obvious that MU is doing their best to secure it.  I would have loved to see the Captains win out the regular season but I will take this for a finish.  Another home game!!!  Who would have guessed that we were going to see that happen?  I'm really proud of these guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:34:34 PM
captains making it interesting...lead down to 10

captj - listening on the internet...
Why aren't you at the game?  How can you stand it?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:40:12 PMWhy aren't you at the game?  How can you stand it?
nasty flu...i've been down for the count for the better part of the last 2 days

ferrum pulls out the w, 81-80 - hornets are up 9 with 3 minutes left...the monarchs need them to hold this lead to get the #1 seed
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:44:04 PM
I'm sure a 1 seed will make you feel better.  Get well soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:51:03 PM
gotta get through this game...davon is taking over and the monarchs are getting sloppy with the ball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:51:49 PM
intentional foul call there...shuford is the right guy to put on the line, though...is there ANY foul in the last 2 minutes that isn't intentional?  - then the cnu bench gets a technical - i do believe the monarchs will pull this out

huge games for seniors brian lane and travis winstead - hornets up 10 with under :30

...doh...they just changed the score on the livestats...hornets only up 4
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:53:42 PM
It's moot, but how do you call an intentional foul before the ball is even put in play?!  I think that was a technical foul that CJ was proud to take.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:53:42 PM
It's moot, but how do you call an intentional foul before the ball is even put in play?!  I think that was a technical foul that CJ was proud to take.
if a guy is being held and not allowed to cut to the ball, that could be an intentional, but i can't be sure that was the case

the cnu broadcasters are so good...real pros...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:02:26 PM
if mu wins, fc wins, gc loses:
mu
fc
su
cnu
au
gc
ncwc

I don't like this much.  I don't mind the AU game in the first round, but getting MU in the semi-final is a tough one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 06:03:53 PM
su wins in g'boro, 72-66

mu gets the #1 seed

if i'm correct, here are the seeds
mu: 8-4 - tie breaker is 2-0 vs. cnu
fc: 8-4
su: 6-6 - tie breaker is 2-0 vs. cnu
cnu: 6-6
au: 5-7 tie breaker is 1-1 vs. fc
gc: 5-7
ncwc: 4-8
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:04:57 PM
In the post game interview CJ mentioned that Dave Goslin would figure out the playoff seeding.  Isn't that "Goose"?  Whatever happened to that guy?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:02:26 PM
I don't like this much.  I don't mind the AU game in the first round, but getting MU in the semi-final is a tough one.
tough to beat a good team 3 times in one season...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2008, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 05:53:42 PM
It's moot, but how do you call an intentional foul before the ball is even put in play?!  I think that was a technical foul that CJ was proud to take.
if a guy is being held and not allowed to cut to the ball, that could be an intentional, but i can't be sure that was the case

the cnu broadcasters are so good...real pros...

Narch ...gotta call you out on this one...maybe it's 'cuz your not feeling the best...

1. If you're on the internet how do you know it was an intentional hold before the play? You didn't see it.
2. If you were listenting to the CNU broadcast...you know it is Broadcaster not broadcasterS. Perhaps with one guy (who is THE BEST broadcaster in the conference!!) didn't see it b/c he is busy trying to do play by play, provide color, look at stats and take notes. since the ball wasn't in lpay - I bet he was looking away.

Why weren't you listening to the MU broadcast?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:06:54 PM
oh...I shoulda prefaced the post with...Congrats!! Nice sweep by MU over the caps!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:09:14 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2008, 06:05:39 PM
tough to beat a good team 3 times in one season...

There's a good team in this conference? :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2008, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:02:26 PM
I don't like this much.  I don't mind the AU game in the first round, but getting MU in the semi-final is a tough one.
tough to beat a good team 3 times in one season...
That's right, which means that I should be worried about AU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
Hey...CNU gets a home game Tuesday....Gotta call the Freeman tomorrow for tix.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:09:14 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2008, 06:05:39 PM
tough to beat a good team 3 times in one season...

There's a good team in this conference? :D :D
Good one!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
Hey...CNU gets a home game Tuesday....Gotta call the Freeman tomorrow for tix.
Get me one and we'll sit together.  Actually, get me two.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:11:11 PM
time to go home.....working on Saturday sucks
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2008, 06:11:22 PM
regular season was lots of fun boys & girls...i'm going to try to sleep this nastiness off - go monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:11:51 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
Hey...CNU gets a home game Tuesday....Gotta call the Freeman tomorrow for tix.
Get me one and we'll sit together.  Actually, get me two.

I'll get 6
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: narch on February 23, 2008, 06:11:22 PM
regular season was lots of fun boys & girls...i'm going to try to sleep this nastiness off - go monarchs!
Congrats on the bye and the regular season title!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 10:10:32 PM
A fantastic story in the Daily Press by Jennifer Williams about the adjustments facing CNU. Great job Jen!!!!!

Wow....many local, talented kids aren't even recruited by CNU. See the story to find out why......don't forget to click to the next page as the story is several pages long....

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cnuprogram_0224feb24,0,2278938.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cnuprogram_0224feb24,0,2278938.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 24, 2008, 02:18:20 AM
CNU gets a home against Averett, 730 start and the women will also play Averett, 5:30 start. Im tired. Im taking narch's advice and going to bed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 24, 2008, 03:06:30 AM
Cool. Thanks RTT. I'll call CNU 1st thing on Monday to get my tix!!

I've been running all day - but am wide awake....can't sleep. too much going on in my head!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 24, 2008, 11:55:07 AM
Wow, you guys really burn the midnight oil.   :o

85, I'm really glad you posted a link to that story.  It was sure hard to miss in the newspaper this morning!  Top story in the Sports section.  Too bad another article a few pages later had to report about the loss to MU.  That's OK though, I am very pleased with the way that these guys finished out the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 24, 2008, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:11:51 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
Hey...CNU gets a home game Tuesday....Gotta call the Freeman tomorrow for tix.
Get me one and we'll sit together.  Actually, get me two.

I'll get 6
Tell Francis to give you my wife's 6 seats.  They are all in a row, seats 33-38.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 24, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 24, 2008, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:11:51 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
Hey...CNU gets a home game Tuesday....Gotta call the Freeman tomorrow for tix.
Get me one and we'll sit together.  Actually, get me two.

I'll get 6
Tell Francis to give you my wife's 6 seats.  They are all in a row, seats 33-38.

Section D...Row B?? Did I remember correctly?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 24, 2008, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 18, 2008, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2008, 02:52:24 PM
As for Methodist on Saturday, if we win at Greensboro Friday, yeah I would be scared too, but if we get drilled....5-7 it is.

I don't agree with that, mongoose.  I think there is a chance we could make the top-4 at 6-6, and that our guys will fight for every point they can get.  We are a different team than we were a month ago.  Whinnett has learned what Captain's basketball is all about, and his intensity is rubbing off on the entire team (with the possible exception of C. Taylor, who seemed completely uninterested most of the time this weekend).  And even if we DON'T get the home game, I'm still not giving up on this team.  We can win on the road, except maybe in Rocky Mount, and thank God we won't have to play there again this year.

Drilled at Methodist it is! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 24, 2008, 07:36:05 PM
1-1 over the weekend keeps the Hornets at home tuesday, I think our coaching staff has to be very content with that result.  Big congrats to coach Harris for career win #100!

Narch - congrats to your MU squad on taking home the silverware. Sounds like SU had a shot at you guys but couldn't put it together at the end friday night.  Hope you're feeling better - a first round bye has to help just as much as the meds... ;)

What a crazy year...  how did CNU turn it around to grab a first round home game??  And AU's collapse is something that I don't think anyone saw coming... 

Hornets host GC tuesday!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on February 25, 2008, 11:38:07 AM
After starting the season the way we did, I never would have predicted CNU getting a first round home game. But this just means I get to watch AU choke in the last few mins again. haha
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 25, 2008, 11:53:03 AM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 24, 2008, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 18, 2008, 03:28:59 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 18, 2008, 02:52:24 PM
As for Methodist on Saturday, if we win at Greensboro Friday, yeah I would be scared too, but if we get drilled....5-7 it is.

I don't agree with that, mongoose.  I think there is a chance we could make the top-4 at 6-6, and that our guys will fight for every point they can get.  We are a different team than we were a month ago.  Whinnett has learned what Captain's basketball is all about, and his intensity is rubbing off on the entire team (with the possible exception of C. Taylor, who seemed completely uninterested most of the time this weekend).  And even if we DON'T get the home game, I'm still not giving up on this team.  We can win on the road, except maybe in Rocky Mount, and thank God we won't have to play there again this year.

Drilled at Methodist it is! LOL  ;D
I'm not sure what it is that you are saying...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 25, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: CNU One on February 25, 2008, 11:38:07 AM
After starting the season the way we did, I never would have predicted CNU getting a first round home game. But this just means I get to watch AU choke in the last few mins again. haha
We do seem to have their number, but I still wish that you hadn't said that out loud!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 25, 2008, 11:54:25 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 24, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 24, 2008, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:11:51 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 23, 2008, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 23, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
Hey...CNU gets a home game Tuesday....Gotta call the Freeman tomorrow for tix.
Get me one and we'll sit together.  Actually, get me two.

I'll get 6
Tell Francis to give you my wife's 6 seats.  They are all in a row, seats 33-38.

Section D...Row B?? Did I remember correctly?
Yup
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2008, 02:42:10 PM
final pvr calculations:

PLAYER      PPG   RPG   STEALS   APG   BLOCKS   TO'S   PVR
LAWRENCE   SU   20   12.8   16   0.4   17   35   50.5
BARTON   CNU   20.2   5.9   20   7.3   0   49   50.1
RUMLEY   AU   15.9   7.3   30   5.9   4   41   45.9
NICHOLSON   GC   20.3   4.5   15   4.3   1   40   42.8
WHINNETT   CNU   16.8   8.6   14   1.8   7   18   42.4

MITCHELL   FC   13.3   12.5   17   0.7   10   36   39.4
McDADE   MU   17.4   5.7   7   1.2   18   27   37.6
ONUNAKU   SU   12.7   9.9   19   2.4   10   45   37.1
HALL   NCWC   15.6   3.1   31   4.3   0   41   35.4
CRUMP   FC   18.1   3.8   18   1.8   1   35   34.5

COLEMAN   NCWC   11.7   8.2   12   0.8   13   16   33.1
SHUFORD   MU   10.1   7.6   23   2.8   11   36   32.4
SMITH   MU   15.8   3   14   3.3   4   42   32
ARRINGTON   NCWC   16.1   3.7   7   0.7   4   8   31.6
GREEN   CNU   11.3   6.9   11   0.3   12   12   29.8

GODSEY   FC   12.5   4.8   12   1.1   9   17   29
DRAKE   NCWC   12.5   4.1   18   2.8   2   33   28.9
TAYLOR   CNU   12.8   3.5   18   1.6   3   15   28.5
MCDANIEL   AU   13.1   3   23   1.3   4   24   27.3
McBRYDE   MU   10.8   5.3   4   0.3   23   16   27.1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU One on February 25, 2008, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 25, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: CNU One on February 25, 2008, 11:38:07 AM
After starting the season the way we did, I never would have predicted CNU getting a first round home game. But this just means I get to watch AU choke in the last few mins again. haha
We do seem to have their number, but I still wish that you hadn't said that out loud!

Trust me, thats nothing compared to what we were saying to the players during the game last time we played them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2008, 05:03:54 PM
here are my all-conference selections/predictions:

1st team
lawrence, su - poty
barton, cnu
nicholson, gc
rumley, au
mcdade, mu

2nd team
whinnett, cnu
onunaku, su
hall, ncwc
crump, fc
mitchell, fc - roty

honorable mention
arrington, ncwc
smith, mu
shuford, mu
green, cnu
coleman, ncwc

coty - bill tharp, fc

toughest choices were between whinnett and mcdade, with mcdade getting the edge as a superior scorer and shot blocker on the #1 seeded team - smith vs. mitchell for roty was another tough choice, and despite my green and gold tinted glasses, mitchell's numbers (especially his rebounding numbers) were just too impressive
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2008, 06:12:28 PM

here are my all-conference selections/predictions:

1st team
JLawrence, su - poty
barton, cnu
nicholson, gc
mcdade, mu
mitchell, fc - roty

2nd team
onunaku, su
rumley, au
whinnett, cnu
hall, ncwc
crump, fc


honorable mention
arrington, ncwc
smith, mu
shuford, mu
mcbryde, mu
coleman, ncwc

coty - bill tharp, fc

I agree with about 90% of what Narch said. My toughest call was with FC, they deserved someone on the first team.  Mitchell played like a man possessed against SU and I was just amazed that this kid is only a freshman.  I also give him the nod for the ROTY. (Not taking anything away from MU's Smith - he put on a show at SU and from the weekend's stat line had another career day against the hornets friday night...)  I don't see much in the MCDade/Winnett arguement.  McDade is pure class - lots of range and a great touch - and led the Monarchs to the championship.  He shot .444 from 3pt... I'm sure Winnett will get his due and will probably end up on the first team next year.  He really came on at the end of the season and gave CNU a shot at a home game.  Hall and Nicholson were a tougher call to me - I went with Nicholson because he led the conference in scoring.  Unfortunately for the home team, Onyie gets shafted...  these things are all about stats and Onyie had to give up some points/rebounds because the coaching staff asked him to adjust to do different things because of the challenges we had with some inexperience.  Good for the Hornets - but Onyie's stat line suffered in conference play.  He still averaged 12.7 pts (14th) and 9.9 rebounds (3rd) while having to play all five positions at times.  I heard his play over the weekend was stellar and his inbounds play near the end of the game against GC was one for the ages...  still, much better for the team and a lot better than 1-11 last year!!  Lastly, I really liked McBryde for MU - led the league in blocks too - and should get some conference recognition.  I couldn't take Shuford out - he's still my favorite player (outside of the Hornets squad of course) in the league - so MU has 3 guys on the honorable mention team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2008, 08:27:14 PM
'97 - i like your analysis of the monarch post talent (mcbryde and shuford) - look at mcbryde's production per minute...nobody in the top 30 among pvr calculations played as few minutes as he did (21.1 mpg)...he was a real spark-plug coming off the bench for mu - arrington came the closest to replicating his production in limited time, at just under 25 mpg

i was trying to carve out a spot on my first team all-conference team for onyie...i've made no secret of my man-crush for his game...but ultimately, as you pointed out, the numbers just weren't as spectacular for him as they were for guys like rumley and nicholson - i'm really disappointed that this nasty flu kept me away from the games this weekend, especially the friday night game - i really wanted another chance to see onyie and lawrence play...they are special players
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2008, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: narch on February 25, 2008, 08:27:14 PM
i was trying to carve out a spot on my first team all-conference team for onyie...i've made no secret of my man-crush for his game...but ultimately, as you pointed out, the numbers just weren't as spectacular for him as they were for guys like rumley and nicholson - i'm really disappointed that this nasty flu kept me away from the games this weekend, especially the friday night game - i really wanted another chance to see onyie and lawrence play...they are special players

That's one of the questions about how they select all-conference, especially in a year as close as this.

numbers, numbers, numbers...

Do they take into account the team performance - which is why I went with Mitchell over Rumley...  Mitchell, while putting up strong numbers (Rbs/2nd, Pts/11th), led the conference in defensive rebounds and helped his team to a co-champ.  Rumly had slightly better offensive numbers (Ast/2nd, Pts/8th, Stl/2nd) but AU's tie for 5th/6th place looms...  but could the same argument can be made for/against Nicholson, who led the league in scoring for most of the year (Pts/1st, Ast/4th) but his GC squad finished tied with Averett?  What about Hall and Arrington from NCWC?  Arrington acctually averaged more pts in less minutes...  who knows

I think Barton ( Pts/2nd, Ast/1st) would have to be a lock even without the CNU revival. JLawrence STUD. (Pts/3rd, Rbs/1st)  McDade gets the nod for his outside game (leading in 3pt made and 2nd in %) while still making a difference overall (blks/3rd, Pts/5th, rbs/13th).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2008, 10:06:02 AM
Hey -- whatever is going on down at Ferrum today, everyone be safe!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on February 26, 2008, 10:26:12 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2008, 10:06:02 AM
Hey -- whatever is going on down at Ferrum today, everyone be safe!

Ditto. Looks like the college took the right action.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 26, 2008, 11:04:26 AM
Tonight's game postponed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 26, 2008, 11:54:53 AM
     More info on Ferrum. Kinda strange that someone would just walk into a dorm with a handgun in plain view. Whether they intended to harm or not, it would be easy to conceal. Sadly, our world has changed forever.  :(


http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0208/499104.html

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2008, 12:07:33 PM
Wow....scary stuff on college campuses these days. I've got a high school senior and junior......I feel for the parents of those kids at Ferrum. Even getting a phone call saying they are ok, but locked in a dorm room, is only so comforting.

We can only pray that things turn out ok for everyone.

:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 26, 2008, 02:26:45 PM
kudos to ferrum for the way that they handled this situation - i know we've all had fun with ferrum for being in the middle of nowhere, but by all accounts they've handled this about as well as you could expect - who knows what, if anything, might have happened, but i'd sure rather have a school err to the side of caution than the alternative - i wish that schools didn't have to react this way, but as allsky7 points out....our world has changed

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 26, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
dang
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 26, 2008, 09:19:31 PM
Pride.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2008, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 25, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: CNU One on February 25, 2008, 11:38:07 AM
After starting the season the way we did, I never would have predicted CNU getting a first round home game. But this just means I get to watch AU choke in the last few mins again. haha
We do seem to have their number, but I still wish that you hadn't said that out loud!
Now I really, really wish that you hadn't said that.  You didn't jinx them though.  They stumbled through that sloppy loss all by themselves.  Lousy way to end a season.  I will let this one sink in more before I post final thoughts.  Goodnight, gents.  Congrats to the winners tonight.  One thing that I'm certain about though... the MU fans should be very happy.  As mentioned before and as demonstrated tonight, it is hard to beat a good team three times in one year.  Playing CNU in the Freeman on Saturday would have been a tougher game than the one the will now have against AU.  The Monarchs will take that one by 15 at least.  AU definitely did not distinguish themselves this evening.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 27, 2008, 08:43:26 AM
Tough loss for the hornets last night... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 27, 2008, 10:16:54 AM
FYI Ferrum's USASAC tournament games switched to AU's north campus gym on Wednesday night at 5:30 (women - FC vs SU) and 7:30 (men - FC vs NCWC).

http://www.ferrumpanthers.com/news/2008/2/26/MBB_0226084106.aspx

Looks like the students were all sent home by noon today - and won't be back on campus until March 9.  FC was scheduled to be on spring break next week, but decided to start now.  Here's hoping everyone's safe and everything returns to normal in Ferrum, VA ASAP!  Peace
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2008, 11:17:01 AM
Congrats to AU last night. They put together what was needed to win. Both teams played ugly ball. Credit to AU players and coaches for plugging away for the win. Sometimes games are just plain ugly...but you still gotta find a way to win. AU did it, CNU didn't.

Anyone on this board going to the Freeman this weekend? I don't have an interest other than maybe hooling up with some posters from here.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 27, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 27, 2008, 10:16:54 AM
FYI Ferrum's USASAC tournament games switched to AU's north campus gym on Wednesday night at 5:30 (women - FC vs SU) and 7:30 (men - FC vs NCWC).

http://www.ferrumpanthers.com/news/2008/2/26/MBB_0226084106.aspx

Looks like the students were all sent home by noon today - and won't be back on campus until March 9.  FC was scheduled to be on spring break next week, but decided to start now.  Here's hoping everyone's safe and everything returns to normal in Ferrum, VA ASAP!  Peace

     Since they never determined who the individual was that was on campus yesterday, I think Ferrum officials made the right call sending the kids home today. It is truly sad that someone like this can cause such a disruption but in todays world, you just can't take chances.
     I bet there will be a huge effort between now and when the students return going through student records and local law enforcement data to try to ID who the person is in the composite they released.
     I have my own personal opinions about how security should be addressed in todays world but will save it for a more appropriate time like sitting on a tailgate sipping on a beverage.  8)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2008, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 27, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
sipping on a beverage.  8)

What is this strange word....sipping?   :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2008, 07:58:57 PM
Come on you guys, you know you want to watch the CNU women play!! Chelsie Schweers became the first player in USA South history to earn Player and Rookie of the Year honors. She's pretty decent to watch shoot the rock.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2008, 09:11:22 PM
So did NCW or Ferrum win? I was following the score on the usa south's site and it had NCW up one then Ferrum up two (80-78) and now the final has NCW winning 80-78.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2008, 09:36:21 PM
According to NCW's ticker, the Bishops did win, 80-78
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2008, 07:58:57 PM
Come on you guys, you know you want to watch the CNU women play!! Chelsie Schweers became the first player in USA South history to earn Player and Rookie of the Year honors. She's pretty decent to watch shoot the rock.

True. Actually,  I was thinking the same thing today. Didn't she have one game where she went 10-12 from three point range?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: allsky7 on February 27, 2008, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 27, 2008, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 27, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
sipping on a beverage.  8)

What is this strange word....sipping?   :D :D

     It's about the journey....not the destination.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2008, 10:45:51 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 27, 2008, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 27, 2008, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: allsky7 on February 27, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
sipping on a beverage.  8)

What is this strange word....sipping?   :D :D

     It's about the journey....not the destination.  ;)

kinda like the CNU season.....it was a journey....but no destination!  :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 28, 2008, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 27, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2008, 07:58:57 PM
Come on you guys, you know you want to watch the CNU women play!! Chelsie Schweers became the first player in USA South history to earn Player and Rookie of the Year honors. She's pretty decent to watch shoot the rock.

True. Actually,  I was thinking the same thing today. Didn't she have one game where she went 10-12 from three point range?

Yeah she did and she wasnt named Player and Rookie of the Year in the USA South for nothing!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 29, 2008, 06:54:25 PM
"bye"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on February 29, 2008, 10:51:37 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2008, 07:41:06 AM
congrats to the pride for being the first higher seed to win in this crazy tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on March 01, 2008, 06:53:49 PM
I lost the feed, who won the Averett game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2008, 08:41:53 PM
congrats to the cougars...rep the usasac well, boys!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 03, 2008, 08:16:26 AM
Man, what a crazy year...

Congrats to AU for the AQ, and good luck in the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 04, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Time to head to the Football boards and wait for kickoff!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 04, 2008, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 04, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Time to head to the Football boards and wait for kickoff!!

Awww come on 85, its baseball season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 05, 2008, 12:00:00 PM
Can't make baseball games when they are in the middle of the week at 2pm!

Now that the weather is a bit nicer...I might make a weekend game once in awhile.

I actually miss sitting at the ballpark in February, freezing my tail off - watching my son play ball.

sigh......the memories!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on March 05, 2008, 01:08:27 PM
Yeah I dont miss that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 05, 2008, 05:13:40 PM
Information (teams, tickets, directions, accommodations, etc.) for Averett fans:

http://www.guilford.edu/sports/mbasketball/ncaa/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2008, 02:49:33 PM
it's officially next season for the usasac - who is the team to beat next year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 08, 2008, 03:20:33 PM
Narch that would be Maryville!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2008, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 08, 2008, 03:20:33 PM
Narch that would be Maryville!!
Wow!

I will take that as prima facie evidence that Murvul will be in the USASouth.

Now if Murvul can just take their friends with them.

Press Release from the past (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2000/01/28/Independents+to+form+Great+South+Conference/1348)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2008, 06:40:32 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on March 08, 2008, 03:20:33 PM
Narch that would be Maryville!!
we're not talking football, scottie :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 10, 2008, 11:20:28 AM
Narch I did not realize your question was which team in the USASouth is the team to beat.  I thought you were wondering which (basketball) team the USA South teams would not beat....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2008, 12:39:19 PM
congrats to all of the usasac players honored by d3hoops.com as all-region players (http://www.d3hoops.com/all-region/08/southmen.htm) - i disagree that nicholson was better than barton, but i guess gc did a better job of promoting nicholson (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2253) than cnu did for barton...have any other d3 schools used this type of promotion (http://www.gborocollege.edu/athletics/sports/Mbasketball/mb2007-08/adam-aa-1.pdf) for an individual award?...i think it's brilliant work by the gc sid (although the fonts could use some updating) - barton was within just over 3 ppg of nicholson (17.9 ppg to 21.0 ppg), averaged more rpg (5 rpg to 4.4 rpg), had 80 more assists and just 14 more to's and shot higher from the field (.507 to .497), the three point line (.373 to .367) and the ft line (.802 to .742) - maybe the team is made up of a point and 2 guard and they weren't being directly compared, though - i would have put barton on the first team and nicholson on the second if they were being directly compared

lawrence on the second team is nice...there were some really good forwards in the south region this year...baldwin is as good a forward as i've seen in d3 basketball - mitchell got rookie of the year in the region, as well

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 01:15:11 PM
Narch,

In the snail mail days these types of flyers were commonplace. My coaches would receive a dozen or so a year when I was SID and I created them myself for our top candidates.

I still receive a couple a year but now lobbying is more informal.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 19, 2008, 10:47:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 01:15:11 PM
Narch,

In the snail mail days these types of flyers were commonplace. My coaches would receive a dozen or so a year when I was SID and I created them myself for our top candidates.

I still receive a couple a year but now lobbying is more informal.
i like it...if it's good enough for the heisman, it's good enough for the d3hoops.com all region team :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on June 05, 2008, 02:56:51 PM
Methodist needs to get new rims. They are bushleague. Also, the Rock basketballs are awful. They are a poormans basketball. Solutions or Evolutions are the way to go. USA South needs to stop using The Rock. After all we arent playing street ball.....then again, some of the styles of play in that league do play street ball...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on June 09, 2008, 01:12:02 PM
this coming from a pure shooter....  in 7 mpg his senior season, drew bailey shot 39.5% from the field and 31.3% from 3.  it doesn't look like he was scorching the nets using his solutions/evolutions and playing his "non-streetball" type of ball in superior conferences and other gyms???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: KnoxCounty22 on June 09, 2008, 02:28:30 PM
I will be the first to say that I didn't have a good senior year. The one game I did shoot well, was actually against North Carolina Wesleyan. 3/4 from 3 point line. We ended up winning the Roger Taylor Invitational. That was more than likely my best shooting game of the year. And we used the Rock. Anyways, we made NC Wesleyan play our game. They couldnt resort to street ball. Not to mention we also beat Christopher Newport in their own gym.

I had a better soph and junior year. Shot 55% freshman year and 39% my junior year from the 3 Point Line.

Never used an Evolution, what are they like? Who makes them, Spalding?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NextBigThing34 on June 10, 2008, 12:45:45 AM
Well lets get onto next season....

SU Hornets are losing 2 huge pieces but......returning a solid and young roster.  If they can add an impact recruit or 2 I think they can improve on this year's performance.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2008, 12:31:44 AM
Shenandoah (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=29101) is upgrading M&W I&O T&F to varsity status and will compete in the MAC-Commonwealth.

Pull quote from the NCAA article...

QuoteShenandoah Athletics Director John Hill credited MAC Commissioner Ken Andrews with bringing the track and field programs into the conference along with field hockey.

"When we came to (Andrews), it was originally an inquiry about field hockey," Hill said. "He was more than willing to discuss us joining the league in that sport, and suggested to us that we could work something out in track and field as well.

"We have wanted all of our teams to be able to compete in a conference setting, and now we have accomplished that goal. Obviously, the best situation would be if all of our teams would compete under the same banner. That remains a goal for us in the department."

Hmmmm, interesting...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 27, 2008, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 27, 2008, 12:31:44 AM
Shenandoah (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=29101) is upgrading M&W I&O T&F to varsity status and will compete in the MAC-Commonwealth.
field hockey is more interesting to me than t&f...the usasac could conceivably sanction t&f, but i doubt field hockey will EVER become a usasac sport...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on July 08, 2008, 08:39:47 PM
"really"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 06, 2008, 04:45:12 PM
a little early for hoops chat. I've heard a few bits of info on CNU - should be a fun season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 06, 2008, 09:06:13 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 06, 2008, 04:45:12 PM
a little early for hoops chat. I've heard a few bits of info on CNU - should be a fun season!

Never too early... 

...shall I enter the Public-Private debate on the football board and give Narch some help ;D

CNU85 - I will say this, your RB over the weekend was a monster.  You guys need to hold onto the ball though, SU is not very strong this year and we hung with you.  If we don't fumble on the 15 yard line during our big drive at the start of the 4th quarter it could have been a different outcome.  But, in the end it was pretty sloppy all the way around for the Hornets.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 07, 2008, 04:04:18 PM
SU97,

aaahhhhhh...that debate is insane. And then I just wrote a bunch of stuff to add to the insanity....I have now deleted it - nobody will listent o my correct point of view anyway!  :D :D


Anyway - this is a hoops board. I've heard good things about CNU potential. I've heard Blasingame is back!!!! That makes me happy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: WorldwideWes on October 15, 2008, 02:10:51 PM
Season predictions anybody?

With alot of talent leaving last year Player of the Year is up in the air.  Barton was my favorite until the bad news.  I have a feeling a sleeper could come outta nowhere and take this award.  Maybe back to back POY for one school  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 16, 2008, 11:37:51 AM
What's the bad news about Barton?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wildbill on October 16, 2008, 02:49:51 PM
Barton has ACL surgery last spring.  His recovery seem to be going well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: WorldwideWes on October 17, 2008, 11:00:21 AM
QuoteAverett Picked As USA South Preseason Men's Basketball Favorite

(FAYETTEVILLE, N.C.) - Averett University, under the direction of fifth-year Head Coach Jimmy Allen, was picked in the preseason coaches' poll to win the USA South Athletic Conference 2008-09 men's basketball title. The Cougars are the two-time defending tournament champions. The title was the third in the program's history.

Averett received two of seven first-place votes (32 points) as head coaches do not vote for their own teams in the balloting.

Ferrum College, who shared the regular season title with Methodist University a year ago, finished second in the voting with 30 points and three first-place votes. Christopher Newport University rounded out the top-three with 27 points and the final two first-place votes.

The 2008-09 campaign tips-off on Tuesday, November 11 when Shenandoah University takes on Shippensburg.

2008 USA South Men's Basketball Coaches Poll
Rank Institution (1st place Votes) Pts.
1. Averett (2) 32
2. Ferrum (3) 30
3. Christopher Newport (2) 27
4. N.C. Wesleyan 23
5. Methodist 16
6. Greensboro 11
7. Shenandoah 8

Wow SU is ranked last in the conference! Yes they lost Lawrence and Onyie but they still have Johns and a young core returning.  Well the season has begun folks
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 19, 2008, 07:56:18 PM
Quote from: wildbill on October 16, 2008, 02:49:51 PM
Barton has ACL surgery last spring.  His recovery seem to be going well.

whew....I knew that. I just thought from the post that something else happened. Word I have is that he is better than ever!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 22, 2008, 12:07:59 AM
i've heard the monarchs are playing really well defensively early in practice...or the offense is really bad :)

either way, this should be a bit of a rebuilding year for an mu team that lost a lot of firepower...and the schedule is going to be pretty challenging (as always)

http://www.mumonarchs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

i've heard that vwc is chock-full-o-talent this year and even without big ben, guilford should be good...pretty tough first 2 game - i like the addition of some extra home games...mu was very good at home last year (8-1), and it will be nice to be able to see them play in the riddle center a little more (12 home games this year vs. 9 in 2007 and 10 in 2006)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 22, 2008, 09:40:30 AM
Quote from: narch on October 22, 2008, 12:07:59 AM
i've heard the monarchs are playing really well defensively early in practice...or the offense is really bad :)

either way, this should be a bit of a rebuilding year for an mu team that lost a lot of firepower...and the schedule is going to be pretty challenging (as always)

http://www.mumonarchs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

i've heard that vwc is chock-full-o-talent this year and even without big ben, guilford should be good...pretty tough first 2 game - i like the addition of some extra home games...mu was very good at home last year (8-1), and it will be nice to be able to see them play in the riddle center a little more (12 home games this year vs. 9 in 2007 and 10 in 2006)
narch, that is a tough opening weekend with VWC and Guilford back-to-back.  I spoke to GC's Coach Palombo a few days ago and he knows it's a different team AB (after Ben), but thinks they'll still be fairly good.  I know he's got a 6'9" freshman from W-S to complement 6"10" junior Tyler Sanborn out of Elkin.  As a freshman, I'm pretty certain the new guy will be a spot player, but that's still a lot of height in DIII.  I'm not sure if I can make the trip to Fayetteville, but I'll think about it since it's a Sunday game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: WorldwideWes on November 01, 2008, 06:21:45 PM
Shenandoah had  at scrimmage at D-II Shepherd University this afternoon...

SU really played well even though being smaller at every position.  I'll post some game notes later if anybody is interested.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 02, 2008, 02:50:19 PM
WWW - post the notes. Can't wait for this season to start.....oops...I think I haen't ordered my season tix yet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: WorldwideWes on November 02, 2008, 04:20:05 PM
Game Notes from Shenandoah vs. Shepherd

- Hornets lack depth in the front court but #50 Schrader and Kline do a good job. Both have a solid inside out game.

- Chris Schrader hit 2 3-pointers then had a big lefty dunk going baseline for the first 8 points.

- Guard Steven Johns performed solid....he's just a great all-around player and leads by example out there.

- The Hornets started Kenny Robertson at the point.  He's solid.  Nothing stood out though.  He had a nice drive in the 2nd half.  While the other hornet guard pushed the ball he was a little passive.

- Starting on the wing was Lamar Bentley a returner.  He started off shaky and had a couple mental lapses.  He is a good set shooter and showed his hops in warm-ups. 

Key subs were

-Soph. #1 Nick Brown at the point....great offensive threat.  Strung together a nice couple of buckets.  Great hands of D causing a jump ball and stripping the ball away twice.  Pushes the ball really hard. I like his confidence and wish we would've seen a little more of him.

- On the wing was new addition Jr. #0 Wayne Washington...about 6'1 but plays 6'6....great athlete, quick, and enjoys defense.  He's no slouch on offense either.  He had a nice drive and floated to avoid the charge in the 1st half.  He knocked down a corner three, and came off a curl and converted.  I'd say he's one of the more complete players on the roster.  Needs to finish around the basket a little better he missed 2 tough lay-ups when he should've just dunked it.

- #23 Craig Fortune showed why he could be a problem for a lot of teams... 6'5 on the wing.  He had 2 great blocks that were called fouls....He can easily shoot over the D in the paint.  Still not the best with the ball in his hands on the perimeter but the potential is scary.

-#24 sharpshooter Brandon Bryan wasn't gun shy at all.  He's not scared to let it fly or drive to the bucket.  He didn't stroke as well as he's capable but he showed confidence that is necessary for a shooter. 

SU won the 1st half and Shepherd won the 2nd by 5 I believe.  Then they played a quick 6 minute session at the end.  Coach Harris has a good group on his hands.  Just a little small in the post but they make up for it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 03, 2008, 12:08:02 PM
Thanks WWW.

I will have to brush up on my hoops memory. It's the middle of football season, so I can't remember SU returning players and newcomers. Something to do this week. Maybe tomorrow night while I watch the maps on TV turn blue or red!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 05, 2008, 06:43:16 PM
Hey gents...

I will be watching from afar this year, and probably from now on.  If you are wondering where I will be, in the short term (1-2 years) think tropical breezes on a white sand beach with an Asian beauty much too young for me by my side.  After that, who knows?  But it has been truly wonderful exchanging "opinions" for the last ? years.  I will be checking in, of course, and you know that I will be cheering on the preeminent USASAC program from a distance.  I dont need to tell anyone who that is.  Best wishes to all.  To the CNU contingent, look for me at Midnight Madness.  I still havent found out when it is, but its the only possible opportunity to see my guys one last time.  Tip one for me guys.

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!!!!!!!

CaptJ
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2008, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 05, 2008, 06:43:16 PM
Hey gents...

I will be watching from afar this year, and probably from now on.  If you are wondering where I will be, in the short term (1-2 years) think tropical breezes on a white sand beach with an Asian beauty much too young for me by my side. 

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!!!!!!!

CaptJ

that's funny. We may be thinking that....but what's the real story?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
CNU85:   Although it pains me greatly, I'm looking at CNU being the team to beat in the conference.  I'm a big fan of Blasingame, his presence was missed last year and I think he'll be the deciding factor down the stretch.  Barton was very impressive last year and a big presence down low will continue to allow for him to get better looks.  I'm going to do some homework on the rest of the league over the weekend and complete my picks.

I hate to say it, but SU is probably sitting where they should in the preseason poll.  You have to be realistic, you're talking about losing 2623 points, 1835 boards, 292 steals and 284 blocks between JLawrence and Onyie. Tough shoes to fill. Speaking of JLawrence, I wish him all the best in Germany:   http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2444 (http://www.d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=2444) 

Narch - I was on the MU web last week and noticed LeuMichael Smith was not on the roster?  He was a talent, what is the word on him? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 10:57:53 PM
Glad to be back on the board ready to talk hoops!  Football season is over already - right??   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 05, 2008, 06:43:16 PM
Hey gents...

I will be watching from afar this year, and probably from now on.  If you are wondering where I will be, in the short term (1-2 years) think tropical breezes on a white sand beach with an Asian beauty much too young for me by my side.  After that, who knows?  But it has been truly wonderful exchanging "opinions" for the last ? years.  I will be checking in, of course, and you know that I will be cheering on the preeminent USASAC program from a distance.  I dont need to tell anyone who that is.  Best wishes to all.  To the CNU contingent, look for me at Midnight Madness.  I still havent found out when it is, but its the only possible opportunity to see my guys one last time.  Tip one for me guys.

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!!!!!!!

CaptJ

+1 Karma to send you out in the positive Captj
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 07, 2008, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 11:00:18 PM
+1 Karma to send you out in the positive Captj

Thanks 97.  I will still be on the board though, just not at the games personally.  I'm going to depend on Francis Tomassino's ability to paint a descriptive picture of the games via live streaming.  Here is an idea... how about one of the CNU faithful walk behind FT as he is interviewing CJ after the game and yell out "Hey CaptJ!"  Again, thanks for the karma.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 07, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 07, 2008, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 11:00:18 PM
+1 Karma to send you out in the positive Captj

how about one of the CNU faithful walk behind FT as he is interviewing CJ after the game and yell out "Hey CaptJ!" 

will do!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 07, 2008, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 07, 2008, 04:49:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 07, 2008, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 11:00:18 PM
+1 Karma to send you out in the positive Captj

how about one of the CNU faithful walk behind FT as he is interviewing CJ after the game and yell out "Hey CaptJ!" 

will do!
I knew that if anyone did it, it would be you.  Thanks buddy.

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 07, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
Why is it that Midnight Madness is such a secret?  Shouldn't that be an event that the Sports Information Department would want publicized as much as possible to generate enthusiasm among the community?  I have access to insider information about the team, and even that's not enough to obtain even the date of the event.   ??? :o :( >:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 08, 2008, 06:23:55 AM
Quote from: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
CNU85:   Although it pains me greatly, I'm looking at CNU being the team to beat in the conference.  I'm a big fan of Blasingame, his presence was missed last year and I think he'll be the deciding factor down the stretch.  Barton was very impressive last year and a big presence down low will continue to allow for him to get better looks.  I'm going to do some homework on the rest of the league over the weekend and complete my picks.

You're absolutely right about Barton and Blasingame, but what excites me about the team this year is that Thomas Whinnett will be able to play HIS game now that Blasingame is back on the team.  Last year he had to play out of position and was still able to put up 16.8 / 8.6 numbers in conference play.  He and Barton will likely be our go-to guys again this year.  And if Conley Taylor continues to develop and Theo Baker returns to the level of play he showed us two years ago, I think that CNU fans will be very, very happy this year.  And you just KNOW that CJ will bring in a surprise or two or three.  Wow, I really want to see Midnight Madness this next week.  Does anyone know when it is?!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 08, 2008, 12:05:18 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 08, 2008, 06:23:55 AM
Quote from: SU97 on November 06, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
CNU85:   Although it pains me greatly, I'm looking at CNU being the team to beat in the conference.  I'm a big fan of Blasingame, his presence was missed last year and I think he'll be the deciding factor down the stretch.  Barton was very impressive last year and a big presence down low will continue to allow for him to get better looks.  I'm going to do some homework on the rest of the league over the weekend and complete my picks.

You're absolutely right about Barton and Blasingame, but what excites me about the team this year is that Thomas Whinnett will be able to play HIS game now that Blasingame is back on the team.  Last year he had to play out of position and was still able to put up 16.8 / 8.6 numbers in conference play.  He and Barton will likely be our go-to guys again this year.  And if Conley Taylor continues to develop and Theo Baker returns to the level of play he showed us two years ago, I think that CNU fans will be very, very happy this year.  And you just KNOW that CJ will bring in a surprise or two or three.  Wow, I really want to see Midnight Madness this next week.  Does anyone know when it is?!

It's at midnight.     ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 08, 2008, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 07, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
Why is it that Midnight Madness is such a secret?  Shouldn't that be an event that the Sports Information Department would want publicized as much as possible to generate enthusiasm among the community?  I have access to insider information about the team, and even that's not enough to obtain even the date of the event.   ??? :o :( >:(

I heard awhile back that there was not going to be a midnight madness this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 08, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 08, 2008, 12:05:18 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 08, 2008, 06:23:55 AM
Wow, I really want to see Midnight Madness this next week.  Does anyone know when it is?!

It's at midnight.     ;D

Good one! ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 08, 2008, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 08, 2008, 05:03:03 PM
I heard awhile back that there was not going to be a midnight madness this year.
>:( ::) :( ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 10, 2008, 11:19:37 PM
stream of consciousness:

1.    CNU:  Blasingame and Barton combine for toughest combo in the conference.  Blasingame is a 10-win turnaround by himself.  I think we saw that last year in his absence.  Also, I hate CNU.

2.    Averett: Returning six seniors including 3 of the top 4 scorers from 07-08 in Rumley (16 PPG & 7 RPG), Brown (10 PPG) and Frazier (10 PPG).  Well coached and have shown a lot of resolve the past two years in conference play. If it weren't for Blasingame's return for CNU I'd have these guys at the top. Go ahead and put February 14 on your calendar, CNU at Averett...

3.    Ferrum:  I was stunned at Ferrum's run last year to the co-championship.  Mitchell is a POTY caliber talent and will no doubt be a force again this year.  Crump (15 PPG) led FC in scoring, but these guys will go as far as Mitchell wants to take them.  They could make a run.

4.    Methodist:  Last year's co-champs are losing too much firepower.  McDade was just short of amazing from 3pt against SU last year in Winchester and his 15 PPG are going to be missed.  He absolutely killed us, but SU had no answer for teammate Smith (13 PPG).  That's 28 points that MU needs to make up. Narch – who is stepping up down there? 

5.    Greensboro:  Nicholson, the top scorer in the conference is gone... probably will reload with 37 transfers.

6.    NCWC:  We are finally not talking about the Hall/Arrington duo...  Arrington still could be the most talented player in the conference, but as Narch once said....   

7.    SU:  Rebuilding year. A young squad, I really like the sophomore class; Brown got some time on the court when the Adams kid quit, Kline and Bryan are both going to be All-Conference caliber players by their senior years. They just need some time to get comfortable with the speed of the college game.  I am curious to see where Johns plays, heard he may by running point or 2-guard. I like Schrader's game inside and look to see him to log a significant amount of minutes.   


Narch... You are an embarrassment to the game of pool... and should be glad I even let you play at my table.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 11, 2008, 07:52:56 AM
Quote from: SU97 on November 10, 2008, 11:19:37 PM
stream of consciousness:
nice work.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 11, 2008, 09:24:23 PM
Captj,

Thanks for the messages. I wish you the best of luck in your new future. It sounds to me like your are a very happy man right now. You have a lot of good things going on. Enjoy them. Good luck on the book. Take much time to reflect, keep things in your new found perspective. Don't fall into the rut of life again. And above all, say thanks to the man upstairs!

I'm pulling for you! And listen to some games on the 'net. You will get some airtime. I have ideas.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 12, 2008, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 11, 2008, 09:24:23 PM
Captj,

Thanks for the messages. I wish you the best of luck in your new future. It sounds to me like your are a very happy man right now. You have a lot of good things going on. Enjoy them. Good luck on the book. Take much time to reflect, keep things in your new found perspective. Don't fall into the rut of life again. And above all, say thanks to the man upstairs!

I'm pulling for you! And listen to some games on the 'net. You will get some airtime. I have ideas.  ;D
Thanks for the encouraging words, 85.  I will miss exchanging insights with you at halftime over Pepsi products.  It's funny you mentioned the Man upstairs... that's actually a big part of my "new found perspective."

I'm very intrigued to find out what kind of airtime I'm going to get.  It brings up a possibility... are you going to be doing any on-air support like you did in football?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 12, 2008, 07:39:38 PM
BTW... where I will be is 13 hours ahead of gametime on the east coast.  That means a couple of things.  One is that I will listen to the night games in the morning, and that I will have to wake very early to listen to the afternoon games.  And secondly, since I will be listening 13 hours ahead of you guys, I will know the outcome way before you do.   ;)  8) ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 13, 2008, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 12, 2008, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 11, 2008, 09:24:23 PM
Captj,

Thanks for the messages. I wish you the best of luck in your new future. It sounds to me like your are a very happy man right now. You have a lot of good things going on. Enjoy them. Good luck on the book. Take much time to reflect, keep things in your new found perspective. Don't fall into the rut of life again. And above all, say thanks to the man upstairs!

I'm pulling for you! And listen to some games on the 'net. You will get some airtime. I have ideas.  ;D
Thanks for the encouraging words, 85.  I will miss exchanging insights with you at halftime over Pepsi products.  It's funny you mentioned the Man upstairs... that's actually a big part of my "new found perspective."

I'm very intrigued to find out what kind of airtime I'm going to get.  It brings up a possibility... are you going to be doing any on-air support like you did in football?

I will do as much airtime as Tommasino lets me!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 13, 2008, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 12, 2008, 07:39:38 PM
BTW... where I will be is 13 hours ahead of gametime on the east coast.  That means a couple of things.  One is that I will listen to the night games in the morning, and that I will have to wake very early to listen to the afternoon games.  And secondly, since I will be listening 13 hours ahead of you guys, I will know the outcome way before you do.   ;)  8) ;D

cool....call in my bets to vegas!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 15, 2008, 07:40:17 PM
got my first look at the monarchs today vs. #24 vwc - the marlins won 88-77 and the lead was between 7 and 12 points for most of the game - every time the monarchs made a little mini run, vwc pushed the lead back to double digits - vwc dominated mu on the boards...they are big (tall, but especially wide...the front court all goes 220+, it seems), athletic and they can shoot the 3 ball...they should be pretty good this year - i saw some positives from mu...eric thomas looked solid at the point and the newcomers looked like nice additions - 6'5" post, josh crumpler had a 20 point day, but only had three boards, frosh devonne blackshear is a talented player...he had a couple of really nice drives and played solid defense  and frosh mark jernigan worked really hard, scoring 9 with 5 boards - soph leland jones had a big first half, with 10 points, but didn't score after halftime - guilford should prove a good test for mu tomorrow, but i won't be able to make the game - i'm hoping that the marlins didn't take everything out of the monarchs today...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
Narch,

I figured you would be on here today now that football season is over. Where did blackshear go to HS? The name sounds familiar.

I'm looking foward to a very good year for CNU. I haven't seen them play yet, but I'm optimistic with Blasingame back. That will allow Whinett to play facing the basket. The one added piece has changed everything. I can't wait for the season to start on Saturday. I doubt I will make the first game but will make most of them after that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 15, 2008, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 15, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
Where did blackshear go to HS? The name sounds familiar.
potomac in dumfries, va

and the addition of the big boy makes cnu my pre-season favorite, as well
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 16, 2008, 07:09:33 PM
Wow!  I just got home and checked the Guilford at Methodist score.  I was certainly hoping for a Guilford win, but didn't expect a 26 point margin with the Quakers besting the Monarchs, 81-55.  I just scanned through the boxscore and play-by-play and saw GC led by as many as 31, with MU scoring the last 5 points.

With 21 points versus both Davidson and Methodist, Clay Henson may be poised to be an all-ODAC performer.  Sanborn also continues to play well, especially on the boards.  I look forward to watching the Quakers for the first time this season when Greensboro visits Ragan-Brown on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 18, 2008, 07:03:41 PM
31 turnovers for the Hornets last night.  Hope they can get on track with a win over EMU tomorrow. 

Box:  http://www.su.edu/athletics/mb/current/111708.htm (http://www.su.edu/athletics/mb/current/111708.htm) 

Schrader had a strong night with 25 pts and 15 rbs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 21, 2008, 01:26:13 PM
Is there a can't miss place to eat in Danville,VA?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 21, 2008, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: bballlover on November 21, 2008, 01:26:13 PM
Is there a can't miss place to eat in Danville,VA?

I think so. But I couldn't tell you.....I missed it!!  :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2008, 10:11:51 AM
mu falls to 0-3 last night, losing to ehc 113-104 - too many to's (24) and too many 3's (mu was 6-21) - frosh jernigan had a nice night with 30 points on 10-17, 10-10 from the line and 8 boards - mu actually out rebounded ehc, but the wasps got 30 points from the three point line (10-22) and 25 on the ft line

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum1121.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 22, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
I just saw the CNU roster. ???  What happened to Conley Taylor, Marko Hamlin and David Mustian?  Taylor will be missed a LOT!  And who knows something about the new guys?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 06:09:07 PM
Not sure what happened to Conley Taylor. Grades maybe? I dunno. I will find out. Unfortunately, Tommasino and Cooper are on the way back frm Pittsburgh covering the CNU football team...they lost to W&J 35-29.

I was asked if I was interested in helping out Wayne Block on the radio tonight. But I couldn't commit early enough in the week. I just found out about 15 minutes ago that I can make the game.

Gotta go get a shower and head to the game. I'll let you know about those guys.

The new guys seem to be top notch. One kid in particular CJ has said is the second best shooter he has ever coached. I'm not sure who that is...perhaps it's Barbosa?
Overall I her CJ is very optimistic about this year's team. I was so pumped up about it, I didn't even see that Taylor wasn't on the roster.

My guess at a starting line up is:

Blasingame
Barton
Whinnet
Baker
Green

You may also recognize the name of the kid Faris. His dad was CNU's first ever All-American.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 06:11:07 PM
Oh, Captj,

Keep an eye out for the Lady Captains this year. They have a pre-season all-american in Scheers. She was only Sophomore to make All-American. She dropped in 35 last night. Not sure if you remember last year - she popped 10 3 pointers in one game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 10:10:34 PM
Ok! CNU wins first hoops game of year. Sure, it was So. Va. But So. Va was playing their 5th game of the year and they are not a bad team. Some thoughts on everything.

First, non game or player related.

1. New PA announcer. Clear and his voice is good. He was nervous, though. He will figure out the word "Harmony" is not pronounced Har-mo-nin-ee.  :D

2. They actually had a DJ playing the songs during timeouts. Nice touch, but he needs to look in the stands and see the paying audience. Music was a bit loud (and I went to the game listening to Sirius 19 - AC/DC channel!!).

3. New tradition started tonight that I liked. They made everyone stand and clap at opening tip off. It got the crowd of 1,077 into it.

4. When they introduced the players, the dance team was on the floor with cheerleaders. Also had cheerleaders in all the aisles.

5. Cheerleaders were not stuffed in the corner during the game. They were in front of the student section, where they belong. Dance team was not in stands as in previous years. They were under the basket and in front of the fans.

So - overall the experience was different and mostly effective. I would mix up the music some more, and turn it down just a little.

and now to the game and players....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 10:35:08 PM
CNU won 86-70. Starting lineup (if I remember correctly since I can't find a box score yet)

Going
Blasingame
Baker
Green
Whinett

Barton did not start. Doc just cleared him to play this week. Overall the team played well as a team. The chemistry was there. Nice to see. Everyone on team saw action in both halves.

Going....much more confident. Had good minutes. A nice backup for Barton when he gets back into starting lineup.

Blasingame....He's Baack!! 3 blocked shots and changed many more. He looked winded at times as if he missed a season of hoops......Oh yeah, he did. Once he gets back into game shape he will be 100%. I put him at 95% right now. Much better than I expected. I bet he's totally in rhythm by this weekend.

Baker. He played like he did his Freshman year, which was better than last year. He hustled more than I can remember.

Green. WOW. What a game he had. 21 points and a rebounding monster tonight.

Whinett. Hitting 3 pointers!!! His game is totally different now that Blasingame is back. Keep an eye on him for POTY.

Barton. Played well when he was in. Had a knee brace and an arm sleeve/pad in first half. Took off the arm thing in second half.

Barbosa. He's the shooter. Made his first ever college shot....3 pointer.

Faris. Playing as a kid in the driveway with his All-American dad helps. He is bigger than Blasingame and more physical. He was beating on So Va #24 like a rented mule! Also hit a three!!! He's 6-8, looks bigger. He will give Blasingame needed breaks. Faris does not play like a Freshman. Creates depth for CNU in the middle.

Ayala - seems to be a crowd favorite. Played well. Small and quick. Will be able to provide minutes at the 1or2 positions and give others time to rest.

Hermann - WOW. Does not play like a freshman. He's tough inside and can rebound. Adds even more depth for CNU. He should see ALOT of playing time. Very impressive.

Patterson. Another crowd favorite. Seemed improved over last year. Had good time on the floor.

Reid - Did not dress due to injury.

Russell - played well. Much better than last year. So Va caused him some problems in his passes. He adjusted.

This team is deeper than most CNU teams in the past 5-6 years. The 4 Freshman didn't play like it. I don't see much drop off when starters take a seat. This could mean fresh legs for the entire game. I know it was one game, but I liked what I saw. Let's see how they fare against a ranked team Tuesday night - Va Wesleyan.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 11:02:40 PM
Box Score finally available. More comments after looking at them.

Blasingame played 35 minutes. No wonder he look tired! He hasn't played in 2 years and his first game back he puts in those minutes!! I take it back - he's at 100% now. He shot 80% from the floor, had 14 rebounds, 9 points and 3 blocked shots.....He's Baaaaaaack!!!!

Nobody else played more than 29 minutes.

Everyone except Ayala scored - but he had 4 assists in 5 minutes of playing time. That's 12 players scoring and 4 were in double figures. Faris hit everything he put up. Whinnett attempted 8 three pointers!! Overall CNU attempted 26 from behind the new 3 point line. Barton only played 17 minutes - still had 11 pts and 5 assists. Green was 9-10 from the floor. Baker shot 50%.

The 4 Freshmen - 7 for 13....3 of 7 from three...18 points, 4 assists and a blocked shot. Not bad for their first collegiate game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2008, 10:15:56 AM
WOW!  I might rethink that tropical island thing... nahhhh!

I like the atmosphere changes... why didn't anyone think of these things before this?

Depth?! What a nice change that will be.  It sounds like we are going to be good this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 24, 2008, 03:05:42 PM
while not totally unexpected, i'm a bit disappointed that the monarchs are off to an 0-4 start...i thought they might at least salvage a split this weekend, but unfortunately that wasn't the case (in my mind i actually thought they might come away from the weekend at 2-2...but i'm a bit of an optimist) - i'm not ready to mail it in, yet...the monarchs have historically played a tough non-conference schedule only to compete once conference play begins - there is a lot of development that will need to take place before january if that's going to happen this year, though

i like what i see from mark jernigan's first 4 games...15.8 ppg/5.3 rpg and .521 shooting % are pretty nice for your first collegiate action - crumpler is a nice addition, as well, but a guy with his size should be hitting the boards a bit harder - at the semester break, having shuford underneath should help (he has just 1 semester of eligibility left)

piedmont and lynchburg at home on the 29th and 1st...hopefully the boys don't eat too much turkey on thanksgiving and can come out and win a couple of games to get something going

one thing i've noticed is that the monarchs seem to be shooting a lot of 3's (and not well) - i thought the new 3 point line might discourage the 3 point shot a bit, but that doesn't appear to be the case for mu early in the season...they're averaging attempting 21 3's per game (and hitting just 26%)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 24, 2008, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 10:35:08 PMLet's see how they fare against a ranked team Tuesday night - Va Wesleyan.
that should be a good test for both teams - i was impressed by vwc, but a coaching friend who has seen them play wasn't as impressed...maybe i was just awed by the size/athleticism combination, especially knowing most of them were freshman
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 24, 2008, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 22, 2008, 10:39:12 AM
I just saw the CNU roster. ???  What happened to Conley Taylor, Marko Hamlin and David Mustian?  Taylor will be missed a LOT!  And who knows something about the new guys?

I only asked about Conley. The CNU person I asked just looked away and said, "Don't Ask!".

I'll keep digging.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 24, 2008, 08:04:35 PM
I was thinking about the game Saturday night and looking at the roster. CNU has some big guys. SO - to borrow from a theme I just watched on the Monday Night Football pregame show on ESPN.....I'd like to see more dunks by CNU...C'MON MAN!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 24, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
Not much to report from Winchester.  Like Narch and his Monarchs, I'm not expecting a whole lot from this Hornet squad this year. I do think that Kline seems to be stepping his game up. I'm not going to get much of a first-hand view since SU is on the road for the first 1,964 games of the season...   I did listen to the radio broadcast over the weekend, and SU picked up their first win by beating the Iron Chefs...  I thought at the start of the season that we would be at .500 by this point, but the turnovers are killing them... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 24, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 10:35:08 PM

Faris. Playing as a kid in the driveway with his All-American dad helps. He is bigger than Blasingame and more physical. He was beating on So Va #24 like a rented mule! Also hit a three!!! He's 6-8, looks bigger. He will give Blasingame needed breaks. Faris does not play like a Freshman. Creates depth for CNU in the middle.

Great...  CNU reloading... 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 24, 2008, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: narch on November 24, 2008, 03:05:42 PM

i like what i see from mark jernigan's first 4 games...15.8 ppg/5.3 rpg and .521 shooting % are pretty nice for your first collegiate action - crumpler is a nice addition, as well, but a guy with his size should be hitting the boards a bit harder - at the semester break, having shuford underneath should help  (he has just 1 semester of eligibility left)

Good to see he will be back - I'm a big fan of his game. I was wondering what was going on when I didn't see him on the preseason roster. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2008, 11:01:01 PM
Just got back from the CNU game at Va Wesleyan. VWC wins 88-78. CNU was down by 4 with 32 seconds left. Then they had to foul and VWC was 20-23 from the line! VWC also shot 44% from three. CNU only shoots 10-23 from the foul line. Blasingame had a nasty collision in the first half and only plays 25 minutes (7 in second half). IF (always those ifs) he doesn't get hurt and CNU shoots a little better than  57% from the line then CNU wins. Freshman Brian Hermann has two very solid games under his belt. He came off the bench tonight and dropped in 13 against VWC!!

Depth is going to be good this year. Ten players saw action. 8 had 15 mins or more and nobody had over 30. Russell came off the bench and scored 16. In total the CNU bench scored 35.

CJ summed it up on the postgame show....he was "disappointed but not disheartened". I agree. The way I see it, CNU hung with a very talented, nationally ranked VWC. They were within 4 points with seconds left. And they did all this with the big guy playing hurt or sitting the bench (at one point in the game CNU had 4 bench players in and they tied the game while on the floor).

I think this is going to be a very fun year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 25, 2008, 11:34:35 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 24, 2008, 09:51:44 PM
I did listen to the radio broadcast over the weekend, and SU picked up their first win by beating the Iron Chefs... 
Yes, but I bet their pre-game brunch is to die for!  Johnson and Wales basketball ...  food fight!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 25, 2008, 11:37:30 PM
The Quakers overcome early 5-0 and 19-9 deficits to beat Averett in Danville, 73-63.  GC junior guard Clay Henson hit 7 threes and finished with 33 (I think he hit 9 threes versus AU in Greensboro last year).  Bonner added 18 and Neville 10.  Guilford improves to 4-1, while Averett drops to 3-2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 28, 2008, 10:04:00 PM
CNU is frustrating me again! They just lost to Roanoke. CNU was up by about 12 in first half. CNU was hot, then cold, then hot again. RC just plugged along. I haven't seen the box score yet to support what I saw but here's how I see it. Green and Baker were on fire. Baker was playing like he did as a Freshman. Both had 19 points. Something was wrong with Blasingame. I think the injury at Va Wesleyan is more than we know. At one point in the game my son said to me, "Blasingame isn't trying". I think he was trying - just not healthy, playing hurt.

Other than Green, CNU seemed to be afraid of the basket. Nobody was going up strong. Whinnett had ZERO points. Green got his fourth foul with a little under 8 minutes left. I don't remember seeing him on the game after that. I hope I'm wrong. If I'm not, then I have to question the coaching. Why keep one of the only guys playing hard on the bench?

CJ said on the post game that there might be changes in the starting line up. I'm not sure what that could be. Perhaps Hermann instead of Whinnett? If Blasingame is hurt, who steps in for him? Faris played great the first game. Now he's playing like a Freshmen - which is ok since he is a freshman with only 3 games under his belt. He's going to be very good. But he is not ready to start. Do you rest Blasingame and put Whinnett back at center where he played last year? I don't have the inside scoop. But let's get Blasingame healthy. Here's what I would do tomorrow:

Barton
Baker
Whinnett
Hermann
Green

If CNU plays this game the way they played Va Wesleyan on Tuesday, then they win big. Dang....there goes my "ifs" again. I guess that's what is so frustrating. Inconsistencies. Tomorrow Whinnett could score 24 and Baker 3.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2008, 12:02:02 PM
Hey Riki Tiki,

Do you know the guy who wrote this?

http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Nov/28/Christopher+Newport-vs.-Roanoke/h9sf576bfmd50fmx/26181 (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Nov/28/Christopher+Newport-vs.-Roanoke/h9sf576bfmd50fmx/26181)

I'm at a loss for words! The English language was butchered.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 29, 2008, 05:07:23 PM
It wasnt someone from CNU that's for sure.   Look at the last paragraph talking about where you can get your latest Roanoke info from.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 29, 2008, 07:14:05 PM
Narch,

What's a brother gotta do to get a box score?  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2008, 07:29:57 PM
CNU comes from waaayyy behind against Otterbein. Down by 14 with 6 mintes left. CNU wins 87-83.

Green was a beast again! Russell is fantastic off the bench. Blasingame is still not 100%. He's playing hurt. But the man is a warrior. He gets his second straight double double. Theo Baker was hot again. The team refused to lose tonight. Reminded me of when Selden played for CNU.

I ws trying to figure out the game when they were down big and it was late in the game. The effort was there. They would close to within 2, then Otterbein would build a lead again. They are a very good and well coached team. And I have to say they play as a TEAM. They are constantly talking on the floor about the situation.

CNU just never gave up and something clicked at the end.

What a game. Looking forward to the stats and finding out how many blocks Blasingame had.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 29, 2008, 11:14:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 29, 2008, 12:02:02 PM
Hey Riki Tiki,

Do you know the guy who wrote this?

http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Nov/28/Christopher+Newport-vs.-Roanoke/h9sf576bfmd50fmx/26181 (http://www.d3hoops.com/game-releases/2008/Nov/28/Christopher+Newport-vs.-Roanoke/h9sf576bfmd50fmx/26181)

I'm at a loss for words! The English language was buchered.

Roanoke SID I would assume. I havent read it, just skimmed it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on November 29, 2008, 11:23:38 PM
I love the "hostile crowd" comment! If that was a hostile crowd, Id sure hate to see a slobber knocker at the "Free." I thought the Roanoke fans were more "hostile" then the CNU fans were. If the students were on campus, I may have to agree with that statement.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 30, 2008, 01:32:53 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 29, 2008, 07:14:05 PM
Narch,

What's a brother gotta do to get a box score?  :)
http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum1129.htm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2008, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 30, 2008, 01:32:53 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 29, 2008, 07:14:05 PM
Narch,

What's a brother gotta do to get a box score?  :)
http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum1129.htm

Thanks Hasa.  I was looking at the link to Methodist's website on D3hoops ... and that's all old info.
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/METH/mens/2009
Not sure what's up with that ...

Thanks for the current link.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: old_lion on November 30, 2008, 11:17:38 PM
Quote from: old_lion on November 30, 2008, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 30, 2008, 01:32:53 AM
Quote from: old_lion on November 29, 2008, 07:14:05 PM
Narch,

What's a brother gotta do to get a box score?  :)
http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum1129.htm

Thanks Hasa.  I was looking at the link to Methodist's website on D3hoops ... and that's all old info.
http://www.d3hoops.com/school/METH/mens/2009
Not sure what's up with that ...

Thanks for the current link.

Ah ... now it's been updated ... good job.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 04, 2008, 04:48:53 PM
This board is way too quiet. Basketball season has started....I think?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 04, 2008, 08:33:07 PM
CNU85 some great observations.   I think the Caps have a lot of potential this year.  However, I think it will take time.  Hat's off to Barton and Blasingame for coming back and contributing right away.  It will take both of them time to get their game legs, but from what I've seen the potential is definitely there.

Baker and Russell are both strong physically.  Theo looks great and is stroking the ball with confidence.   Russell is a fearless shooter and a tough defender. 

Green and Blasingame are outstanding at the 4 and 5.  Green is relentless and a solid scorer around the basket, but I'm really impressed how they look for each other in the post.   Blasingame's scoring will continue to improve.  They are both 60 percent shooters, that's amazing. 

Davon is well Davon, not fully explosive yet, but you can see it coming!  Goring is a solid backup and improving at point.   CNU potentially has an outstanding bench and a really solid freshman class.     

Whinnett.  Thomas is a talented ballplayer.   But I think right now he's a fish out of water at the three.  Can't play him at the five because Blasingame has such an impact, especially on the defensive end.  He blocked five against Otterbein, but altered many others, especially during crunch time.  Green is playing amazing at the four. 

Actually I thought the substitute patterns lost the Roanoke game and almost the Otterbein game.  In both games leads were lost when most or all of the starters were on the bench.  Against Roanoke the starters could not recover, amazingly against Otterbein they did.  Which brings me back to Whinnett.  I'd make him my 6th man.   He could get a LOT of minutes, as many as the starters!   He could sub for Green, Blasingame and Russell.  The team would not lose anything and on many nights probably gain.   Thomas is talented offensively and defensively, but you can see his frustration at the 3 right now.

Anyway an interesting year ahead.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2008, 02:30:49 PM
Bubba,

Good points as well. I was also thinking about Whinett as the 6th man. The way Russell is playing, give it a try. The issue to watch for - Is Russell more effective coming off the bench or as a starter? Sometimes trying to fix one thing, breaks two instead. But you have to try it. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 05, 2008, 04:39:36 PM
That's very true 85!  Maybe Russell is more comfortable coming off the bench!  There might be a rain cloud in that silver lining we're not aware of.  Caps should go above .500 tonight.  Sincerely hope it's a blowout and everyone gets plenty of playing time.   Have to apologize, it's Going not Goring, lol, sorry Paul.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2008, 09:11:37 PM
I had to miss the game tonight. I could have run down there while the second half is now being played. CNU is down 13 to Maryland Bible. I'm glad I didn't go. It's bad enough listening on the internet.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!! BENCH EVERYBODY!! Put the Lady Captains on the floor!! This is pathetic! Barton scored for the first time with 12 minutes left in the second half.

They should be glad I'm not the coach. I would have them running laps and suicides right now while the game is still being played.

PATHETIC!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2008, 09:23:08 PM
CNU goes on a 14-2 run. Down by 1. Haven't led since it was 2-0. Even if someone waved the magic wand and CNU wins this game, kudos for not giving up, but this is not a good sign. Ridiculous!

CNU takes the lead for the first time since the opening minute.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2008, 09:40:29 PM
64-61 CNU loses to Maryland Bible College - at the Freeman Center. Whatever happened to the Freeman Center mystique? People used to be afraid to come play in that place. I forget wha the record was when the Freeman first opened. It was ridiculous. I'l have to go look it up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 05, 2008, 10:24:32 PM
I went back and quickly looked at the stats. I rushed, so I might be off a little.

First 3 years Freeman was open, CNU was 49-4. 5 of first 6 years CNU won 88% or better each year at the freeman. Last season CNU was 10-8 at home and so far this year 2-2.

Maryland Bible out rebounded CNU 45-40.

MBSC has 11 guys on team, 8 played. Roster heights:
6-3
6-3
6-2
6-1
6-2
6-3
6-3
5-10
6-3
6-2
5-10

CNU:

6-8
6-8
6-6
6-5
6-4
6-4
6-3
6-3
6-3
6-2
6-2
6-0
5-11
5-9

CNU has 9 guys as tall or taller than the entire MBSC team. How do you get outrebounded 45-40?

I hope some of the players read this. Tonight's game was embarrasing and there is no reason to be playing this way. Figure it out! The coaches can't do it for you. They can't make your free throws for you. They can't BLOCK OUT for you. They can't FOLLOW YOUR SHOT for you. If I was CJ I would make you watch the game film twice a day for the next 8 days when you play again. I would burn this game into your memory so you never forget the feeling of what it is like to lose like this. I would do all this to test you. You would become better or you would quit. "What doesn't kill you will make you stronger". CNU needs to be stronger. This game tonight better wake you up and bring some leadership on the floor and in the locker room. If it doesn't, you will disintegrate. This team is talented and deep. I'm being harsh, but I hope someone reads it and takes a leadership role. Those who remember Donte Selden and maybe played with him will know what I mean. He put it all out there....he "willed" wins for CNU. He absolutley HATED losing and refused to lose. Someone pull out the game film when he sent it into OT when he took the game over and sunk the 3 FTs when time expired. CNU won and Selden was the guy who did it.

Mike Green - I've seen every game this year except tonight. From what I've seen and heard, you are the hardest playing guy on the floor. These guys are letting you down - not every time, but in games like this or VWC and Roanoke. Get mad. Tell them to pick it up. Be the leader!

The radio announcer said ths game is scheduled because every team needs a "cupcake" game once in awhile at the beginning of a season. I think he was referring to CNU, but not 100% sure.

C'Mon, Man!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 06, 2008, 09:58:56 AM
MBCS's 64-61 win over CNU at the Freeman Center surprised me.   Perhaps the Captains entered the game with too much confidence.  At any rate, I doubt that happens again in the Jan. 3 rematch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 06, 2008, 10:51:56 AM
I plead the fifth on last night's CNU/Maryland Bible game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 06, 2008, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 06, 2008, 10:51:56 AM
I plead the fifth on last night's CNU/Maryland Bible game.
"The Lord works in mysterious ways."  :)

I'm not really saying anything you guys don't already know, but schools such as MBCS are usually scheduled to fill out the nonconference calendar and to increase the odds the host team will play in the championship game of its own holiday tournament.  I guess someone forgot to tell Maryland Bible.  There's a whole association of schools with similar academic and athletic missions that play each other (Christendom, Roanoke Bible, etc.), so their wins against NAIA and DIII schools are sporadic.  Looking at MBCS's results, however, they appear to have a more athletic team than some of the other schools in this general group.

I suspect the CNU players took this game too lightly ... I bet they don't next time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 07, 2008, 09:13:44 AM
Pathetic is a good way to describe this loss 85.  We came out flat, with the "this is a cup cake attitude."   MB was smart, they cut the game in half.  They dictated tempo.  It was one of those where a 5-point lead seemed like 10.  CNU has trouble with quick guards.  When we played man it was a matador defense, they just blew by us.   Mostly we played a 1-3-1 defense and MB was content running a 2-1-2 offense with the two guards tossing it back and forth until 10-15 seconds on the shot clock.  Obviously they did a good job of executing their offense most of the game.  You have to be patient and disciplined on offense and defense, we were not. 

Donte led by example—on both ends of the court.   He was definitely hard-nose on defense.    I don't see that on this team—yet.   Hopefully they'll pull it together soon.  CNU has the talent, but do they have the heart—time will tell. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2008, 02:32:04 PM
I am watching the Greensboro video stream and the "cameraman" has the video focused in a way that the top 3/4's of the screen is viewing the ceiling.


Good!  The cameraman just re-oriented the camera.  Someone may be lurking on this board.

The students on the audio are doing a good job.

They give the score and the time remaining at a good frequency. (The old Harry Caray egg-timer thing.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2008, 02:36:48 PM
GC 60 LG 56! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 07, 2008, 04:25:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2008, 02:32:04 PM
I am watching the Greensboro video stream and the "cameraman" has the video focused in a way that the top 3/4's of the screen is viewing the ceiling.


Good!  The cameraman just re-oriented the camera.  Someone may be lurking on this board.

The students on the audio are doing a good job.

They give the score and the time remaining at a good frequency. (The old Harry Caray egg-timer thing.)


I thought the egg timer thing was started by Phil Rizzuto? And I thought is what a Minute-glass.

I dunno....anytime we can chat about Harry Caray and Rizutto......yikes....I'm feeling old!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 07, 2008, 04:35:25 PM
Bubba,

The first game of the year I was very encouraged. The team played well together, the players when on the bench were into the game. The chemistry seemed better than I can remember for awhile. Now, they seem to be out of synch for some reason. I watched the Otterbein team when they were in town. That team is into the game. They talk to each other, they point out defensive assignments to each other, they let each other know what they are going to do. It was amazing to watch. If CNU communicates like that on the floor and the entire team is aware of every situation, we would be scary good. I guess that is what frustrated me the other night....you know they can be a very impressive team yet I wonder if the CNU players themselves realize how good they can be. I will miss the next game - company Christmas Party. But I am working on sending a few in my place. About 100 kids! I'm on the Board of Directors for a local Boys and Girls Club. CNU was gracious enough to provide up to 100 tickets for the club on the 13th. Thank You CNU!!!! The club is in South Norfolk and this will be a great time and experience for these kids!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 12, 2008, 02:47:11 PM
You are going to miss Alumni Day too 85! About 50 or so former CNU players will be in the house on Saturday night. Should be interesting to see some of the old faces from back in the days or yore in Ratcliffe.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 12, 2008, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 07, 2008, 04:35:25 PM
But I am working on sending a few in my place. About 100 kids! I'm on the Board of Directors for a local Boys and Girls Club. CNU was gracious enough to provide up to 100 tickets for the club on the 13th. Thank You CNU!!!! The club is in South Norfolk and this will be a great time and experience for these kids!
CNU85, thanks for volunteering and thanks to CNU for making tickets available.  I hope the kids have a wonderful time!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2008, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 12, 2008, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 07, 2008, 04:35:25 PM
But I am working on sending a few in my place. About 100 kids! I'm on the Board of Directors for a local Boys and Girls Club. CNU was gracious enough to provide up to 100 tickets for the club on the 13th. Thank You CNU!!!! The club is in South Norfolk and this will be a great time and experience for these kids!
CNU85, thanks for volunteering and thanks to CNU for making tickets available.  I hope the kids have a wonderful time!

Thanks for the kind words, Hasa. Unfortunately, the club could not make it tonight because of Christmas programs they had going on. However, they are set for a double header on January 4th - Captains Shootout tournament that day!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 13, 2008, 10:02:08 PM
Left Christmas party a little early I had to go alone - wife was home sick with a sick daughter as well. I caught the last 2 minutes on the webcast and also saw live stats.

Riki Tiki- dude leave the stats up longer than 22 seconds after the game ends.....man, it went blank while I was looking at the CNU dismal FT %. Other than that it looks like they had a good game beating Eastern Mennonite fairly easily. Led 13 at half, as much as 20 and final margin was 11. Imagine if CNU can EVER put a complete game together - they would blow people away!! Blasingame had 6 blocks!!

Alumni night   for CNU - about 60 former players were there according to coach in post game interview.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 13, 2008, 11:12:41 PM
85 I was at the game--missed a good one.   CNU (despite what the radio announcers were saying after the game) played very well.  Free throws were a sore pot and we had one stretch of 4 turnovers in a row where we let them back in the game in the second half.  But all and all the Caps were solid.  First five Barton, Baker, Whinnet, Green and Blasingame played well together.   Davon looked healthy and was really hitting his shot.  Thomas' best game by far, very aggressive on both ends tonight and finished with a double/double.  Green and Blasingame were solid at the four and five--very!  Sometimes we get away from the inside game, but both guys shoot a high percentage and both were relentless on the inside tonight.  Defense was solid.  Bench did well—Russell was his steady self and hit some big shots.  He is really good coming off of screens.  Paul did a nice job of relieving Davon.  Several freshmen played and did well.  Still get a little nervous with the substitutions patterns.  But they held the lead tonight.  Hopefully it will pay off in conference play.  A good, solid win for the Captains. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on December 14, 2008, 12:49:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 13, 2008, 10:02:08 PM
Left Christmas party a little early I had to go alone - wife was home sick with a sick daughter as well. I caught the last 2 minutes on the webcast and also saw live stats.

Riki Tiki- dude leave the stats up longer than 22 seconds after the game ends.....man, it went blank while I was looking at the CNU dismal FT %. Other than that it looks like they had a good game beating Eastern Mennonite fairly easily. Led 13 at half, as much as 20 and final margin was 11. Imagine if CNU can EVER put a complete game together - they would blow people away!! Blasingame had 6 blocks!!

Alumni night   for CNU - about 60 former players were there according to coach in post game interview.

Sorry about that 85, had a technical issue and had to recreate the whole game. Sucked big time, at least the game was great tho. If thomas doesnt shoot 4-13, he drops 25 in that game. His shot will come, he was a beast on both ends tho, grabbing a ton of boards and Mark was a force in the middle. Made a few careless turnovers, but other then that, everyone I thought had great court vision tonight. Ton of assists for cnu, lots of great no-look passes from everyone. Green was filthy tonight too. Russell had a great game off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2008, 06:32:14 PM
Final Greensboro 71, Hiram 68 OT

I know GC was down 30-23 at the half and it was 55-all in regulation, so the Pride must have outscored the Terriers 16-13 in OT.

Hiram and the Emory Eagles are on two-game trips to Greensboro, NC.  The Pride took the the first game this afternoon and will face Emory tomorrow.  Meanwhile, the Guilford Quakers entertain HC tomorrow night and Emory on Tuesday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2008, 09:14:42 PM
CNU drops the second game in Phoenix. This one looked bad from the score. I didn't catch it on radio. Saturday night they lost to Lewis and Clark by 6, 85-79. CNU started slow, down 34-9 at one point. They pulled to within 3 a few times. Major comeback, just not enough time. Blasingame had 21 pts and 17 rebounds. Freshman Hermann dropped in 14.

It seemed like another game where CNU didn't put together a complete game. In this one, they just started out slow and then dominated. I'm not sure what happened tonight against UW-Oshkosh. I guess in addition to children's clothing and a world famous airshow, they also play some hoops in Oshkosh.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 29, 2008, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 28, 2008, 06:32:14 PM
Final Greensboro 71, Hiram 68 OT

I know GC was down 30-23 at the half and it was 55-all in regulation, so the Pride must have outscored the Terriers 16-13 in OT.

Hiram and the Emory Eagles are on two-game trips to Greensboro, NC.  The Pride took the the first game this afternoon and will face Emory tomorrow.  Meanwhile, the Guilford Quakers entertain HC tomorrow night and Emory on Tuesday.

Greensboro won its fifth straight game tonight by defeating Emory 59-57. Greensboro  lead at the half but let it slip away but they kept the game really close and came away with the win. They had a big game by Soph. Louis Owenby with 16pts that is his third straight game with 10 or more for Greensboro. The Pride are now 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 03, 2009, 12:59:14 AM
If anyone saw these two games, what's the story behind Ferrum whipping Lynchburg by thirty at home, 72-42, on Dec. 18, then losing to LC, 69-64, at Averett Jan. 2?  That's a 35-point swing!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 03, 2009, 10:58:54 PM
monarchs drop to 3-7 losing at piedmont by 10...the yo-yo nature of the early part of this season is frustrating, as a fan, but jernigan is looking like a stud and connor had a nice line today (12 pts, 9 rebs, 6 blocks) - my favorite monarch (tyler sigman) struggled with his shot today (3-13) and pc hit 9-16 3's and 30-35 ft's - losing sucks, but at least it's a former monarch who got the win
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 04, 2009, 12:21:28 AM
Quote from: narch on January 03, 2009, 10:58:54 PM
monarchs drop to 3-7 losing at piedmont by 10...the yo-yo nature of the early part of this season is frustrating, as a fan, but jernigan is looking like a stud and connor had a nice line today (12 pts, 9 rebs, 6 blocks) - my favorite monarch (tyler sigman) struggled with his shot today (3-13) and pc hit 9-16 3's and 30-35 ft's - losing sucks, but at least it's a former monarch who got the win
Nine of 16 on three-pointers plus 30 of 35 on FTs will win a lot of games!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 04, 2009, 09:39:48 PM
monarchs get a "w" today - jernigan almost had a double-double with 27 pts, 9 rebs (and 4 asst vs. 1 to) - connor with 5 blocks, but absent offensively (just 2 pts) - sigman had an efficient 14 points on 6 shots (4-6 from the field, 6-8 from the ft line) and no to's - and there has been a josh crumpler sighting...crump pulled down 10 boards and scored 7 points off the bench
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 05, 2009, 06:17:03 PM
CNU finally put together a complete game last night. I think it was the second time they were able to do that this year. They beat a very talented York team. I'm surprised York is only 3-10, but I understand they added 3 studs at the semester break. One of those guys dropped in 31, I think. Anyway, CNU looked good like they did in the first game of the year. They looked deep. Davon Barton only played 23 minutes. Paul Going did a great job off the bench. Hermann was intense. Blasingame seemed to finally be over his injury from the VWC game. I watched York and Millikin Saturday afternoon and figured CNU would not beat York. Notice I said would not.....I think CNU from a talent perspective can beat anybody. But they haven't seemed to pull it completely together as a team yet. One more non conference game and then the fun begins.

I did notice that the starters once again do not talk to each other. When the bench starts coming in, the talk begins and everyone helps out. I'm not sure what that's about.

Whinett is back up to speed. he slumped a few games back. Hey Whinnett I hope you're reading this. This team is yours to to take over and become the emotional leader. Davon is recovering from knee surgery and pressing too hard. He's focusing on his game and trying to do too much. Blasingame is the rock - very steady and very good. But he's not the type to get everyone all fired up and pump fists.  This team needs a guy who can get people fired up and that's you! Take over the team when you're on the floor. Get people involved by chatting it up, talking, playing hard. Sometimes I'm not sure if you guys realize you're on a basketball court or at church.....man, have some fun out there!!

Keep playing like the last few games and CNU will make some noise. I think there are a legit 8 starters on the team. The starting 5 of Barton, Blasingame, Green, Whinett and Baker. Plus,  Going, Hermann and Russell play like they can start. Although I would leave Russell as the 6th man. He plays well coming off the bench.

Oh - anyone know why Russell didn't play last night?

9 days until first conference game. can't wait. We'll see how CNU fares against RMC this Saturday night.





Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 07, 2009, 11:39:51 PM
Hey Narch!  I was prepared to say I was not feeling so great about Maryville's visit to Greensboro and Methodist this weekend since the Scots are not having a great year.  But I just saw Maryville beat Averett 107 - 68 and they looked pretty good! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 08, 2009, 07:37:14 PM
Shenandoah 39,Bridgewater 28 Halftime
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 08, 2009, 08:42:22 PM
SU 67,Bridgewater 67 Overtime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 08, 2009, 09:01:56 PM
SU 75,Bridgewater 75 Double OT.

Brandon Bryan makes 2 FT's with 3.3 seconds left to give the Hornets a 1 point lead then he fouls Trawick with 1 second left. Trawick misses his first FT but makes the second to send it to OT #2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on January 08, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
Shenandoah 82, Bridgewater 79 FINAL Double OT
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 09, 2009, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 08, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
Shenandoah 82, Bridgewater 79 FINAL Double OT
sounds like a great game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 10, 2009, 04:06:50 PM
Maryville's coach Lambert in his post-game radio interview went on and on about Greensboro's Walter Brady.  He must be a pretty good player for Randy to be so complimentary.  The Scots had a tough time handling him.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 11, 2009, 09:32:01 AM
Good game last night between CNU and a very talented and deep RMC team.  Deep being the key phrase; RMC bench-20, CNU-5.   CNU made a good run late, but got away from what was working—patience and going inside.   

Great game by Barton.  Completely different player when he has a chance to rest his legs.   He did a good job on RMC's leading scorer Short (5-12 from the field/10-11 from the free throw line) who scored most of his points late from the free throw line and ran the CNU offense very well.  He looked quick and had a real bounce in his step last night.  CNU's wings, Whinnett and Baker had an off night shooting; 5-18 and only 2 rebs.  #33 Brown for RMC had 4 blks and pretty sure they all were on perimeter jumpers.  Green had a solid game inside with 17 points and 9 rebs.  He is relentless on the offensive glass and has a nice, soft touch from 15 feet.  Blasingame once again did a great job of anchoring the post.  It was nice to see him step out and shoot the 15-foot jumper.  Why not?  He's shot 70% against RMC and is shooting 66% on the season.  He logged 39 mins, 17 pts, 8 rebs and 6 blks. 

The bench was 2-11 shooting.   I'd be interested to know what's going on with #22.  For the first half of the season he was our best 6th man on both ends of the court.  I sincerely hope everything is OK and he's back on the court soon. 

CNU should be battle tested and ready for conference play.  They are talented, but consistent play from the first five and a productive bench will be the key.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2009, 12:31:17 PM
I agree Bubba. Blasingame and Barton are ready for conference play. Going gives Barton a chance to rest his legs. Going had a problem last night with the quickness of RMC. They stole a few of his passes. He will adjust. Whinett...man, talk about hot and cold. Not sure what's up. I can understand a cold shooting night...but the big man had ZERO rebounds!!!!

And I am curious about Russell. For a time I thought he would become a starter. Now, he's not even playing. I'm confused???

The bench has had better days. But then again, Nobody came off the bench until halfway through 1st half.

And a final note in which I will preface it with saying that RMC would have won the game anyway - but that one bald, white ref was without a doubt AWEFUL. I've NEVER seen such a bad game called by a ref. He makes the NFL ref Hochuli look like an All-Star. I could go on and on with specific plays such as the RMC player fouled while dribbling....stopped dribbling, walked about 3-4 steps threw up an underhand shot not even thinking it was going to count and that bald headed guy counted it.....even if this was the NBA with the continuation rule...he WALKED after being fouled. At one point during a timeout I caught his eye and really wanted to flip him off...Instead I stared him down and slowly shook my head.....

ok  - I'm done venting. And like I said RMC would have won anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
Captj,

did u hear name on radio? They said they would mention you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: donho on January 11, 2009, 05:17:29 PM
 CNU85,
    You are correct, I follow RMC and could only laugh when the goal was counted. He took soooo many steps. I also was thinking that the ref should have just stayed home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 11, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 11, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
Captj,

did u hear name on radio? They said they would mention you.
I woke up too late to catch the game except for the very end. I am 13 hours ahead of you guys, so coordinating things like sporting events is a bit of a challenge for me. Too many mango daiquiris? So, what did they say about me?

Quiet board this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 11, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 11, 2009, 12:32:11 PM
Captj,

did u hear name on radio? They said they would mention you.
I woke up too late to catch the game except for the very end. I am 13 hours ahead of you guys, so coordinating things like sporting events is a bit of a challenge for me. Too many mango daiquiris? So, what did they say about me?

Quiet board this year.

Heck if I know. I just asked them to say something to you. They said they would. Dary also asked about you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 11, 2009, 08:29:52 PM
Quote from: donho on January 11, 2009, 05:17:29 PM
CNU85,
    You are correct, I follow RMC and could only laugh when the goal was counted. He took soooo many steps. I also was thinking that the ref should have just stayed home.

Donho,

RMC is a very talented team and very well coached. I can see why you guys beat GMU. Beating RMC is on my bucket list.  :D  We can't seem to top you guys lately.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: donho on January 12, 2009, 05:04:44 PM
  Well actually you all beat us two years ago. You are correct about the coaching. Both coach Rhoades and Byers are very good at what they do;also both are great people. Anyone that comes in contact with either of them would be better for it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 12, 2009, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: narch on January 09, 2009, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Jeremybozz on January 08, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
Shenandoah 82, Bridgewater 79 FINAL Double OT
sounds like a great game!
Great game in Shingleton Narch, but would have liked to have been out of there for the start of the National Championship game...  Not much to talk about in Winchester this year, slow start and SU hasn't had anyone stand up and make plays.  Hornets need to hold onto the ball against CNU, if they do and start knocking down some shots then we may have a chance against Blasingame...   

CNU on the clock.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
an interesting opening night of conference hoops last night as the monarchs beat gc 71-59 and fc beat au by the same 12 point margin, 72-60 - mu was led by a really nice performance from a.b. lehman who had 21 pts, 6 asst, 6 reb, 1 steal and just 1 to...not a bad nights work :) - sigman had 13/7/3 for the monarchs and they held walter brady to 1-9 shooting (although he did grab 15 boards) and just 6 points

it's nice to be 1-0 in conference :)

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0113.htm)

the monarchs are in the midst of the "other predatory felines" portion of their schedule, with ferrum this weekend, then averett and lagrange (panthers, cougars and panthers, respectively...after the pride last night)...it sure would be nice to have a little winning streak start here (fingers crossed and wood sufficiently knocked)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 14, 2009, 08:58:13 PM
Captains win 57-48 at Shenandoah. Ugly game, even when just listening to it. Must have been excruciating for the home team fans to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 14, 2009, 09:13:26 PM
I only followed game on livestats.....CNU shoots 36.7% and was 0-16 on their 3 pt shooting.....and win by 9. SU went about 12 minutes without scoring in second half. They led CNU 32-28 at the half and end up only scoring 16 in second half. That must have been one of the ugliest games in a long time. Oh well....... a road win it is!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 14, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
and Blasingame had 4 blocks.....51 for the year in 14 games.

For his career.....68 games...246 blocks!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on January 14, 2009, 09:56:02 PM
well any win at Shingleton is a good win.

They have had some issues in that gym
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 14, 2009, 10:39:33 PM
SU had no answer for Blasingame underneath, he grabbed rebounds at will.  Game was very tight until SU went cold at around the 7 minute mark.  At that point SU combined a couple of turnovers and some poor shooting to finish. 

Trying to look at something positive from tonight... and it had to be that for the second straight game Nick Brown came off the bench to give the hornets a huge lift before halftime. I'd like to see him get some more opportunities to shoot.  Hornets are playing tough defense, but it got a lazy in the second half. There were times where CNU got easy lay-ups because guys were caught out of position, it seemed like simple mental mistakes. Otherwise SU still needs someone to step up on the offensive side of the court or this is going to be a long season. Hornets have been playing a bit tougher this year and I just hope they can start pulling it together. I really don't know what else the coaching staff can do.

I still think that when the dust settles the Captains will be on top of the conference.  Don't be confused by this Narch, as not to worry I still hate CNU. A couple thoughts on what I saw from them; this is more stream of thought, so bear with me. Blasingame is a beast underneath, only the Mitchell ROY from Ferrum will contest him this year, I think he'll end up as POTY.  CNU has no depth, it was obvious that CJ has no faith in anyone other than his starting 5 in a close game (remember this was a one-point contest for 3/4 of the game) or why else would Blasingame play 40 minutes and Barton and Green clocked in with around 35. I do wonder how Blasingame can hold up to that much floor time. Winnet did not impress me at all. Green is a nice player. Barton looked somewhat uncomfortable at times and he was not as explosive as last year, nor was his outside game as strong. When I saw him last year he was an explosive offensive weapon who you felt could make every shot he took with unlimited range, didn't feel that tonight.  However, he did impress me with his passing. I don't remember him being that good with finding teammates and creating chances. When he gets back to 100% he is going to be an even better player than the guy who torched SU twice last year.

and lastly, points in the paint:  SU=20  CNU=36.

Looks like NCWC coming up this weekend. I looked at their schedule and I'm not quite sure what to think, they look to be very tough at home.  Bishops on the clock.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 15, 2009, 07:37:08 AM
A win, is a win, is win on the road in the USA South, indeed it sounded u-g-l-y!  SU97 our radio announcers kept saying they should "loosen" the rims at Shingleton!  After that shooting performance by both teams I'm inclined to agree. 

85 it seemed we pulled the trigger to quick on many 3s and were not patient, at all!  Were they using an NBA shot clock last night? 97 maybe you can confirm we shot to quickly on several occasions.  We're much better, it seems, when we work the ball inside out. 

It's great Davon's last game at the Hornet's nest was very good.  He was not far from a triple double.  Green came through in the 2nd half offensively, thank goodness.  Blasingame scoring seems to be down when the opponent plays zone, but again it seemed we pulled the trigger on the "3s" pretty quick.  Sounded like he was a huge on the defensive end.  What CNU cannot continue to survive is off nights from the wings (5-15 FG/0-6 3's).  Both of those guys are WAY to talented for that to happen. 

Tough road win and now home for 3 big games.  Good luck to  SU. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2009, 07:37:45 PM
the monarchs push their conference record to 2-0 with a nice road "w" today against ferrum - no box yet

did i see that su beat ncwc?

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0117.htm)...looks like the monarchs let mitchell get his (18 pts, 20 boards), but limited everyone else :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2009, 12:38:38 AM
According to Channel 2 in Greensboro, Averett 55, Greensboro 52.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 18, 2009, 07:20:03 PM
Wow...SU beats NCW in Rocky Mount! Interesting!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 18, 2009, 11:17:03 PM
Quote from: narch on January 17, 2009, 07:37:45 PM
did i see that su beat ncwc?

;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2009, 02:11:15 PM
su held ncwc to 17 first half points and never trailed in that game...looks like su did a great job of delivering an early blow that ncwc couldn't recover from - ncwc is still an incredibly talented team...i think they'll be a prominent fixture in the usasac title race this year...in years past, ncwc wouldn't have worked hard enough to make up a 17 point 1/2 time deficit and make a game of it - that could be a really big win for the hornets

au seems to be struggling a bit, losing 4 of their last 6 -  i hope the monarchs can steal another road game on wednesday night and keep the cougars scuffling :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 21, 2009, 10:09:50 PM
the monarchs fall to 2-1 in conference after losing to au - au shot lights out (50%) and the monarchs didn't (31%)...'nuff said
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2009, 10:18:57 PM
CNU beats NCW 74-71.....2-0 in conference play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 21, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
Blasingame had  7 blocks...i only saw second half....he was schooling NCW's #50....made him look like a rec league player.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: narch on January 21, 2009, 10:09:50 PM
the monarchs fall to 2-1 in conference after losing to au - au shot lights out (50%) and the monarchs didn't (31%)...'nuff said
Narch - tough loss to AU, but you guys are still in third place - not a bad start for the Monarchs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2009, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2009, 10:18:57 PM
CNU beats NCW 74-71.....2-0 in conference play

NCWC shoots 17% from long range and still only lose in the final seconds. That will be a tough game in NC for the Captains. I am glad the Hornets will see NCWC in Winchester for the second leg.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 21, 2009, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
Blasingame had  7 blocks...i only saw second half....he was schooling NCW's #50....made him look like a rec league player.
another double-double for Blasingame, but he also logged 38 minutes. CNU85, can't you guys find anybody to give the kid a breather??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2009, 08:25:17 AM
just took a good look at the box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0121.htm), and rumley killed the monarchs (again) - how's this for a line:

6-10, 16 pts, 7 rebs, 9 asst, 0 to's, 7 steals...nice, efficient performance...that kid can play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on January 22, 2009, 10:00:36 AM
CNU 85

Thinking about coming to the game Saturday Averett/CNU.. What will be best entrance to take and which parking lot is available to visitors?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2009, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 21, 2009, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 21, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
Blasingame had  7 blocks...i only saw second half....he was schooling NCW's #50....made him look like a rec league player.
another double-double for Blasingame, but he also logged 38 minutes. CNU85, can't you guys find anybody to give the kid a breather??

We got a kid named Faris. I think he's pretty good...but still a Freshman. He went in the game yesterday and picked 3 fouls in a couple of minutes (I haven't checked box score...so I might be off a little). He plays a very physical game and that's what got him in foul trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 22, 2009, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on January 22, 2009, 10:00:36 AM
CNU 85

Thinking about coming to the game Saturday Averett/CNU.. What will be best entrance to take and which parking lot is available to visitors?

Don't go through the entrance towards the museum like you did for football. Go up Warwick Blvd and turn by the Freeman Center. you can park right next to the Freeman.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 22, 2009, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: narch on January 22, 2009, 08:25:17 AM
just took a good look at the box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0121.htm), and rumley killed the monarchs (again) - how's this for a line:

6-10, 16 pts, 7 rebs, 9 asst, 0 to's, 7 steals...nice, efficient performance...that kid can play
Yeah, that's nice effort.  One of my Guilford College classmates was his HS coach at Kernersville Glenn ... we've made a special effort to watch Rumley whenever Averett's in the area.  I'm sure the local schools tried hard to get him to stay in NC!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 22, 2009, 07:20:34 PM
Good win for CNU last night.  One of the key stats – only 11 TOs.   The Bishops are down right scary.  Athletic, big and deep.  But streaky.  #50 was a load 85.  When Blasingame wasn't checkin' him, he dropped-stepped to the front of the rim pretty much at will. 

Davon is really starting to hit his stride.  It'll be an interesting weekend.  Sincerely hope Barton and Blasingame can hold up for two games.  It's nice to see these two guys who came in as freshman and overcame some health issues have such a positive impact!  Baker, Whinnett and Green all had solid games. 

We definitely need positive minutes from the bench from this weekend.  Was sincerely happy for Ryan Barbosa.  I thought he had his best game off the bench against the Bishops. 

Good luck this weekend Caps.  Keep it rollin'.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 25, 2009, 12:02:10 AM
the monarchs get a 57-55 win against lagrange today...it wasn't pretty, but it was a W :)

connor with 9 pts, 11 rebs and 6 blocks, jernigan led mu in scoring with 13

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0124.htm)

looks like the su/fc game was a real offensive explosion, as well...48-45 must have been tough to watch :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 25, 2009, 09:12:10 AM
Narch they need to check the rims at SU!!!   Davon Barton had a great game against AU yesterday with 26 big points.  He looked quick and was really nailing the mid-range jumpers.  If his legs can hold up for back-to-backs we're going to be tough.  May be the story for CNU today; three of five starters logged 35 or more minutes yesterday.  Blasingame logged 31, only because he was in foul trouble in the 1st half.  He did not come out in the 2nd half.  So it'll be interesting to see how we hold up today against another tough USA South foe.  Whinnett had a tough day at the FT line.  He makes'em we win going away.  That will not happen often though, Thomas has a nice stroke and did make a huge three pointer in the last three minutes when it looked like AU was going to pull away.  As CJ pointed out, not a great day by our wings shooting wise, but they stepped up when they needed to down the stretch.  Blasingame was a not factor in the first half, with two horrible, horrible calls going against him.  He had a very solid 2nd half, with some huge rebounds down the stretch and two big free throws with less than a minute to go.  I'll say this one last time; we miss #22 off the bench.  Hope he's back next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 25, 2009, 12:37:21 PM
What happened to #22?

I missed yesterday's game. Had to celebrate my baby girl's birthday - 18!!! UGGHH...that was an aging experience! I feel old.

I will be there in a few hours. I hope I can leave work in time to see some of the Lady Captains game. They are having a fantastic year with 12 freshmen on the team and only 2 returning players. If Hunter doesn't win COY I would be shocked....I know,  this is the men's board.

Does anyone know where I can find d3 career stats? I can find specific years. But I'd like to see the top 10-20 on each category. I'm curious to see where Blasingame is with his blocked shots Any help is appreciated.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 25, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
85 don't know with #22, but see him and Reid (knee injury) hanging around the bench.  Also, recently read in the paper where Tabb High School's Sherwood may head CNU's way.  It would be nice to have those three and all of the other underclassman back next year. 

I assume you're talking overall d3 stats?  Not just CNU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on January 25, 2009, 01:28:05 PM
CNUbubba,

I am sure you and 85 are more knowledgable of basketball than I. I know football like the back of my hand but never got into the roundball end of it. I had the pleaseure of visiting the Freeman Center at CNU for the first time yesterday to watch CNU take on Averett. FYI, great facility.

Averett jumps out like a fireball and gets up to (I think) 20 point lead and then keeps it there until 4 minutes left in the half and all of a sudden it looks like Averett changed teams.

Someone please tell me how a team goes from a 20 point lead to sucking wind in the second half and end of the game. From my seat it was caused by bad passing or maybe poor decision making on where and when to pass. The players that had been making the 3's couldn't find the rim much less the backboard. Averett stopped shooting from the outside and tried to force the ball inside where a much taller CNU team shut that down from the get go. However Averett thought they were a great team and continued to try and force the ball inside and drive the basket. Everytime they would either throw it away, lose control of the ball or make an ugly attempt to make a "Michael Jordan Shot" None of which got into the nets. I also heard folks from Averett wondering why the coach was taking players out of the game that were not in foul trouble and leaving inexperienced players in to try and play catch up. Also, Averett depended on #22 too much. He was cold as ice all game and make very poor decisions even in the first half yet they continued to let him do what ever he wanted to do.

If Averett is to repeat as conference champions this year, something needs to change very quickly. They had all of December to work out issues agains non conference opponents and should be playing much better ball  than they displayed in the last 4 minutes of the 1st half and all the second half.

I am open to anyone commenting on this and giving me a different prepective of what took place. Not to take anything from CNU, they didn't give up and kept coming back. They appeared to have kept their game plan in place all the time and the coach had confidence that his players would soon start finding the basket after a shaky start.
Congrats to CNU. Averett you look good for 16 minutes then you went  off to zulu land and never came back.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 01:48:36 PM
Biggest Averett lead (http://www.cnusports.com/Pdfs/mbball/2009/1/24/cnum0124.htm) was 17 at 28-11 and 32-15.   ;)

(I was curious.  Yesterday, McMurry overcame a 24-point lead with 17+ minutes left and 20-pt lead with 10:15 left!)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2009, 04:52:20 PM
CNU 39 Ferrum 32 at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 25, 2009, 07:15:03 PM
Kicker, not sure about the "more" knowledgeable thing, but the way you guys started yesterday I thought it was going to be blowout.   You guys were hitting everything and we could not throw it in the ocean, due in part to the excellent defense you were playing.  Have to agree with you, your coach does sub a LOT, 14 different players saw the court.  Interestingly we're at the other extreme.  I think sometimes the challenge of playing 14 different guys is understanding roles and being ready when the call comes.  BUT, when you're on a roll and sub, you do risk losing momentum. 

Good win today against Ferrum.  Davon had an outstanding weekend -- 21 pts and all around excellent floor game! Four of five starters in double figures.  Barton, Blasingame and Green logged 30+ again and all three played well...our 4 Green had 20 pts/8 rbs and 5 Blasingame14 pts/10 rbs/5 blks. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 25, 2009, 09:13:15 PM
Kicker,

I wish I could help you but I didn't see the game. However, I've coached enough youth hoops games to know that momentum is a very tircky thing. I've been on both ends of it....I've seen large leads vanish like that and with it the kids' confidence. I've subbed trying to break the momentum, I've left the first stringers in, hoping they would break out of the funk. The only thing that becomes obvious after the fact is, "did what I tried work?". If you win, you tell yourself you did a good job coaching. Fact is, take the same situation and do the same thing and you will probably get a different outcome.

Long winded post to say - there is no answer. You just endure and move on and hope the kids take something away from the experience.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 25, 2009, 09:19:43 PM
I did see tonight's game. WOW....where did that CNU team come from? They played great AS A TEAM. I think it was the best effort I've seen all year. They were talkng to each other and helping out and moving to the ball. Davon was fantastic. Blasngame didn't look tired at all. He played a ton of minutes in two days and looked ready for another game. I thought the becnh did a good job of giving the starters some time to rest.

Russell was in street clothes - is he injured??

HEY - I even saw a dunk!!!! Thank you Mr. Green!!

Block count....263 blocks in 71 games for Blasingame! 10 blocked shots this weekend! This year (if I can read and count) he has 68 in 17 games - an average of 4.0.

Tough road weekend coming up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2009, 07:13:52 PM
What has happened to this forum? The last post was almost 6 days ago and this is the middle of conference play! Where are the mongoose, pride1fan, cnuone, su97, obnoxioussufan, gcgullett, roundbll, cnufella, pridesportbbguy, and auhoops? Even guys like hasanova, pat coleman, ralph turner, nnasid and others are staying away. I don't get to see the games anymore but I had hoped to keep current on this board.  ??? :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
I am waiting for someone to take control of the conference.

I think that CNU will win this thing.

(I have a long post on the GSAC board about some comments that Maryville TN Head Coach Randy Lambert made about re-alignment.

He was thinking the dissolution of the SCAC.  I am intrigued by the recent events in the conference.

I will cut and paste my post from last night.)




Quote from: scottiedoug on January 28, 2009, 03:11:35 PM
Randy Lambert muses in the Daily Times about the economy encouraging conference realignments.  Especially whether SCAC schools can continue their expensive travel habits.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090128/SPORTS/301289989

Pull quote...

QuoteRandy Lambert, former Scots athletic director and men's basketball coach, said thinning travel budgets could present a huge opportunity for Maryville. After being denied admission to the mammoth Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference in the past, Lambert said he thinks the Scots could become part of a divisional alignment of schools in that conference from Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia and Alabama. The SCAC currently stretches from Georgia to as far away as Texas and Colorado.

He wishes.

Sewanee, Centre and Rhodes are charter members of the SCAC, founded in 1962. Millsaps and Trinity joined in 1988; Hendrix and Oglethorpe in 1991.

He is hoping for Sewanee, Centre, Rhodes and Oglethorpe to leave the SCAC and join Maryville, BSC, Piedmont, LaGrange and Huntingdon.  Schools in their exploratory year with the NCAA, Covenant and Berry, might even be invited.

That gives 7 football schools, but it abandons four women's colleges.

The SCAC is actually going the other way.  They have expanded towards higher profile colleges, with larger endowments and Phi Beta Kappa chapters.  That includes Austin College, BSC and Colorado College.  Oglethorpe's Phil Ponder was interviewed on Hoopsville on Sunday night.  He gave no indication that the SCAC was doing anything with respect to re-organization and that their (OU) president is trying to strengthen Oglethorpe's position in the SCAC, with all of its travel.

My thought about that article is what happens for travel in the USA South.

Shenandoah has travel demands.  The closest school to Shenandoah is CNU, 211 miles away.  Methodist is 359 miles away.

CNU is 129 miles from NCWC; 234 to Methodist; 218 to Averett; 268 to G'boro and 294 to Ferrum.

If CNU looks up the peninsula, Salisbury is 151; St Mary's MD is 179; Wesley is 212; York PA in 270.  Mary Washington is 121. Gallaudet is 175. Stevenson is 227.  Hood is 213.  Marymount is 176. Hood is 213 miles.

Shenandoah is 118 miles from York PA and 204 to Wesley. Hood is 52.  St Mary's Md is 150. Salisbury is 198.  Almost every school in the Capital is closer than CNU!

The Capital AC could add Shenandoah and CNU.  Football schools already in the CAC include Salisbury, Wesley and Gallaudet.  Stevenson is rumored to be adding football in the near future.  That makes six. You are one shy of the AQ in football.  Frostburg State as an affiliate?  Seven!

I think that we can make the case for the GSAC Men and the USA South to merge  and form divisions, and let the GSAC continue its women's AQ status.

The USA South has Peace, Meredith and Mary Baldwin.

The GSAC has Agnes Scott, Spelman and Wesleyan.  There is some symmetry there.

It makes for interesting conjecture.  ;)




Quote from: scottiedoug on January 28, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
Ralph are you thinking the coed GSAC schools and the women's GSAC schools would/might stay together for women's sports and add the three USA South women's schools, for a ten school women's conference?

I agree that there is too much class/Phi Beta Kappa pride at stake for the SCAC schools voluntarily to split and get involved with, as you might put it, "lower profile" schools.  That is less an issue for the USA South, I'd say. 
Good evening, Doug!

I think that the two conferences can work together on these issues.

It is the men's programs that are "sweating" the limits.

I don't want the GSAC women to lose their bids.

Let's play "what if".

What if Shenandoah and CNU left the USA South?

If Shenandoah and CNU left the USA South, the USA South would still have these women's AQ bids:  Basketball, Soccer, Softball, Tennis, Volleyball!  Every USA South AQ bid would be intact with 8 members.  (Only 5 USA South teams, including Shenandoah and CNU, play Lacrosse.  That is not enough to get a Pool A bid.  The Capital AC already has the AQ in women's lacrosse.  LaGrange and Agnes Scott also play women's lacrosse, so they could affiliate.  That is a wash.)

There would be no change in GSAC women's teams.  If Berry and Covenant women joined the GSAC, there would be the addition of a Pool A bid in women's volleyball when at least one of those two teams became a full member.  That is a plus!  (Summary -- GSAC women would keep all current AQ bids!)


Let's look at what would happen if the USA South took the GSAC men's teams as affiliates (after Shenandoah and CNU left).

The core five USA South teams would keep all AQ's by taking the "GSAC-4" as affiliates in the men's sports:  Soccer, Football, Basketball, Tennis, Baseball and Golf. The four GSAC men's schools sponsor the same sports as the USA South teams except "Piedmont" football.  CNU and Shenandoah football out; Huntingdon and LaGrange football in.

If we end up with Covenant and/or Berry plus the GSAC-4 in the "South", and the USA South teams in the "North", you have a solid conference. Remember, the USA South had two "recruit" Maryville and "add" NCWC football to solidify itself in the AQ, when Chowan was kicked out!  I realize that LaGrange and Huntingdon are far from NCWC and Ferrum (those are ASC distances), but it does solidify the USA South (Men's) Athletic Conference.  (Shenandoah is the one who is on record of trying to find another home!  Shenandoah and CNU are already closer to Capital AC schools than their own USA South schools.)

In summary, we have the Great South (Women's only) Athletic Conference, and the (co-ed) USA South Athletic Conference.

We can watch it.   :)


For what it's worth, the new USA South could call its men's divisions "east" and "west".
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
big conference weekend...i hope the monarchs can pull out 2 w's

captj - i've been a little less active because work, an mba program and increased kids activities are allowing me less opportunity to see the monarchs in person...it's tougher to analyze a team you're not seeing as often...of course, it probably doesn't bother you that i'm posting less :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 30, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
Ralph,

A very interesting post. Realistically, would you ever expect CNU to leave the USA South? I'll ponder some of your other points over the weekend. Obviously, you are more informed than I am about many of the little details!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 30, 2009, 04:24:26 PM
Captj,

How's the tan? Signed my copy of the book yet?

I too miss some of the lively and often hostile banter. Maybe we're getting older.

Narch is swamped with "Life". Narch - hang in there - I've been there. CaptJ and I both survived the MBA program at the "suicide school"  - W&M. It will be well worth it. Just take time out to remember you have a family. At times you will have to sacrifice study time to go fly a kite with your kids or take your wife out so she gain talk like an adult again. Ha - I remember one time when our kids were little I took my wife out to dinner. She excused herself from the table after dinner to "go potty".  :D

Good Luck to Methodist on Saturday. I hope you stink up the gym on Sunday!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 30, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: narch on January 30, 2009, 01:21:16 PM
captj - i've been a little less active because work, an mba program and increased kids activities are allowing me less opportunity to see the monarchs in person...it's tougher to analyze a team you're not seeing as often...of course, it probably doesn't bother you that i'm posting less :)
Nothing could be further from the truth, narch. I wish you were posting more, but I certainly understand your priorities. It's just sad to see this once vital board so quiet. Hmmmm... is it possible that that might reflect the overall vitality of the conference in the entirety of the D3 basketball world? Anyway, you are right about not being able analyze much when you don't see the games. BTW, 85 is right on about maintaining a family life. I suggest Friday night with mom and Saturday morning with the kids. And then... back to the books for the rest of the weekend! Wow, I am so happy to have that behind me.

GO CAPTAINS!  Win two this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 30, 2009, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 30, 2009, 04:24:26 PM
Captj,

How's the tan? Signed my copy of the book yet?

The tan is best described as Brandon Jones Brown... ;) LOTS of beach time lately. ;D The book is progressing nicely, thanks... I'm guessing the first draft will be complete by the end of March Madness, and then the rewrites begin.  I'm still not sure if I have any talent for this though... it might all be an exercise in futility.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 30, 2009, 09:19:59 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 30, 2009, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 30, 2009, 04:24:26 PM
Captj,

How's the tan? Signed my copy of the book yet?

The tan is best described as Brandon Jones Brown... ;) LOTS of beach time lately. ;D The book is progressing nicely, thanks... I'm guessing the first draft will be complete by the end of March Madness, and then the rewrites begin.  I'm still not sure if I have any talent for this though... it might all be an exercise in futility.

Feel free to use me as a free proof reader!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2009, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 30, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
Ralph,

A very interesting post. Realistically, would you ever expect CNU to leave the USA South? I'll ponder some of your other points over the weekend. Obviously, you are more informed than I am about many of the little details!
CNU85,

Humbly, you have more insight into the USAC/DIAC and what is happening.  You know the mission/vision questions/issues better than I.

I just highlighted the facts that are commonly available for those that look at the question.

When CNU joined the DIAC in 1972, there was a common mindset among those schools.  Look at where those members are now!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Conference

We have seen how Shenandoah has tried to move to the ODAC.  If the ODAC offered them an invitation, these discussions to preserve the AQ in the USA South  would commence very quickly.  The thing that has changed in the area around Atlanta is that Berry and Covenant are looking at the NCAA.

What will travel expenses do to the USA South? That is what the AD and president at Shenandoah are looking at?  Gee the Capital AC is awfully close!

CNU and Shenandoah get access to the AQ in women's lacrosse by joining the Capital.

The ACFC schools need football games in October when everyone else is playing conference.

Salisbury, Wesley, Gallaudet and (maybe soon) Stevenson will play football.  Frostburg gets invited as an affiliate.  Add two more schools (?Shenandoah and CNU?), and you have an AQ conference.  As Apprentice and you fill the open date and give 7 conference games!

The USA South already deals with a "gender-imbalance" in conference membership.  The GSAC is just as "gender-imbalanced".

How soon is Salem going to be permitted to join the USA South?

Thanks for considering these issues.  Please post your thoughts here or off-line to me personally. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 31, 2009, 03:41:38 PM
Ralph,

I'm sure there have been conversations about conference affiliations within the CNU athletic dept. Frankly, I would be upset if they didn't. You should always explore options. However, over the years of being a fan of CNU and getting to know several members of the Athletic Dept, not once has anything come to my attention about even the slightest potential to leave the USA South. I don't see it happening as long as CJ Woolum is AD and quite possibly as long as Sen. Trible is President. But then again - I haven't seen Trible at a basketball game in years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't like that at all. That sends me the wrong message from the president.

Anyway, if CNU ever jumped ship it would be a surprise to me. But then again, CNU has been full of surprises the last 10 years! And often, they don't feel the need to pick up the phone and ask my opinion! What's up with that?  :D

I like the points you make. As usual, there is a great deal of logic in your thought process.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2009, 11:05:57 PM
Thanks CNU85.  :)

(I also see that CNU is working its way thru the USAC and improving its in-region W/L percentage at the same time.   ;) )
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 01, 2009, 03:49:22 PM
Good luck to the SU team today.  What, with SU grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory last Saturday and AU running SU out of it's own gym the following Sunday, it was a nice surprise to see a win yesterday down at MU.  Apparently, it's a bookend win that spans over a decade against Monarchs.  Hope the Hornets can keep it going today in Greensboro. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 01, 2009, 05:36:54 PM
Captains down by 2 with 10 seconds left and Baker fouls Lehman before the inbounds pass is even thrown in?!  The best FT shooter on the team?  Stupid.  Way too many squandered opportunities in this one.  Nice game by Methodist though... they played hard.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 01, 2009, 05:39:11 PM
Running through the conference undefeated in the first half would have been a miracle, so CNU fans should be very pleased with a 5-1 record.  I know I am.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2009, 05:40:35 PM
Oh man...Methodist beats CNU this afternoon...I think by 4......MU shot 14-15 from the foul line! At one point CNU was down 41-28, but came back with an 18-3 run to take the lead 46-44. Sounds like it was a tough game. It all came down to MU hitting the foul shots at the end. The conference season has now reached the halfway mark. CNU is 5-1 in conference play. One home game, then a stretch of 3 away games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 01, 2009, 05:42:00 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 01, 2009, 05:36:54 PM
Captains down by 2 with 10 seconds left and Baker fouls Lehman before the inbounds pass is even thrown in?!  The best FT shooter on the team?  Stupid.  Way too many squandered opportunities in this one.  Nice game by Methodist though... they played hard.

Methodist was so hot from the foul line that CNU could have fouled a cheerleader and she would have "bounced it in"!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 01, 2009, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 01, 2009, 05:42:00 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 01, 2009, 05:36:54 PM
Captains down by 2 with 10 seconds left and Baker fouls Lehman before the inbounds pass is even thrown in?!  The best FT shooter on the team?  Stupid.  Way too many squandered opportunities in this one.  Nice game by Methodist though... they played hard.

Methodist was so hot from the foul line that CNU could have fouled a cheerleader and she would have "bounced it in"!! ;D
Good one 85!  I got up very early to listen to this one... oh well, on to the Superbowl now.  It's actually being broadcast live here.  There's a sports programming network here named BALLS.  Their slogan is "We've Got Them!"  True.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2009, 09:38:10 PM
connor had a nice 19 block weekend, with 9 today

sure would have been nice to get 2 this weekend...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 03, 2009, 04:24:33 PM
WOW - 19 blocks...in 2 games?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 03, 2009, 05:22:45 PM
Second half of conference play starts tomorrow night and I can't say that I'm surprised by the current standings.  Unfortunately for the Hornets, I think losing both the CNU game and the Ferrum game while having the lead in the second half at home really hurts - both were possible wins that I don't see an opportunity for SU to duplicate on the road. Tough win at Methodist over the weekend does keep the Hornets out of the basement for the time being. I am somewhat curious as to what is going on at Ferrum, I was expecting more from them this year. 

Not to beat a dead horse, but it's all about positioning for the Conference Tournament from here on out.  I don't see anyone except the AQ going on to the NCAA tournament. CNU85 - we've discussed over the past year or two that the conference has been somewhat down.  I look at the out-of-conference records of the USASAC teams and I don't see that we are pulling our weight in OOC play. The good thing (in a way) is that it makes the conf. tournament all that more exciting. 

CNU on the clock. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 03, 2009, 05:35:03 PM
SU97 - Agreed. Only conference AQ is getting to the dance. The second half of the conference schedule will be interesting. After tomorrow night, CNU is on the road for three straight.

This is going to be a fun few weeks! Tiem to get serious boys!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 03, 2009, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 03, 2009, 04:24:33 PM
WOW - 19 blocks...in 2 games?
he had double, double with 10 pts and 10 blocks against su...and he's now leading the nation with 4.42 blocks per game - he's got a lot of art hatch in him, but he's a more polished and instinctive basketball player (but probably not the raw athlete that art was)...if mu can put some weight on him and if he can develop a consistent offensive game, he's got a chance to be very good
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on February 03, 2009, 10:10:00 PM
CNU will need better production off the bench to be successful down the stretch.  They were a 2-19 from the field this past weekend and 0-12 against MU.  CNU was down 44-30 before going on a 15-0 run to pull with in 1, 9:21 to go.  Then we sub-ed out the starters, all except Green, goodbye Mr. Momentum.   Baker and Whinnett did not return until about 4 minutes left.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2009, 10:15:29 PM
tough night for the monarchs, losing 56-53 to gc - lehman struggled from the floor, going 2-9, but did have 7 assists and just 3 to's - connor had 2 points, 7 rebounds and 8 blocks...he can produce the strangest box scores - sigman led mu with 16 points
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 04, 2009, 10:17:25 PM
ouch - Hornets on the losing end again tonight.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 04, 2009, 10:21:36 PM
Quote from: narch on February 03, 2009, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 03, 2009, 04:24:33 PM
WOW - 19 blocks...in 2 games?
he had double, double with 10 pts and 10 blocks against su...and he's now leading the nation with 4.42 blocks per game - he's got a lot of art hatch in him, but he's a more polished and instinctive basketball player (but probably not the raw athlete that art was)...if mu can put some weight on him and if he can develop a consistent offensive game, he's got a chance to be very good

I saw Conner last year and I think he has a lot of promise, but I wouldn't go so far as to compare him to Hatch just yet. Give him another year to progress, he'll be a force no doubt.  But Narch - get the kid some hamburgers! 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2009, 11:28:56 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 04, 2009, 10:21:36 PMI saw Conner last year and I think he has a lot of promise, but I wouldn't go so far as to compare him to Hatch just yet. Give him another year to progress, he'll be a force no doubt.  But Narch - get the kid some hamburgers!
as a shot blocker, he's there - the kid is just 10 blocks short of the single season mu record...that might fall in the next game at his current pace (27 blocks in his last 3 games!), but i agree he's got some work to do - he's not quite the athlete that hatch was, but he's got a much higher basketball iq and i think he'll become a better rebounder and scorer...and he doesn't need just a hamburger, he needs the super-sized value meal :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 07, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
Hornets tip off at 4pm...  SU need's a stimulus package. 

Curious about the MU-Ferrum game today.  Like I said before, very surprised that Ferrum isn't closer to the top of the table. MU at home, maybe in for another upset? What do you think Narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2009, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 07, 2009, 01:10:53 PMWhat do you think Narch?
i haven't been a believer in ferrum this year or last, so i think it's possible - the monarchs haven't been able to find much consistency, though...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2009, 05:38:59 PM
the monarchs were down 10 with 1:26 left and have cut the lead to 3 with :36 left - connor has 10 11 blocks on the day...meadows has 19 on 5-7 shooting from downtown

fc misses both ft's, but get an offensive board, connnor gets his 11th block, but fc gets the ball back and has it with :30 left and a 3 point lead

crump hits both ft's to push the fc lead to 5 with :28 left

monarchs can't pull it out...a horrible first half did them in, as did allowing fc to shoot 53% (while shooting 35%)

connor sets the mu single game block record with 11, and in the process sets the single season mark with 103 (and counting)

and i forgot to post this...lehmann named to academic all-district team (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2009/2/6/MBB_0206093021.aspx)

nice win for the hornets...not to take anything away from su, but is there a team that underacheives year after year more than ncwc?  that team has too much veteran talent to be 3-4 in conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 07, 2009, 06:55:08 PM
Let me say this - tonight was the first time I've seen this hornet squad play hard for 40 minutes and I hope they can rebound from this.

My parents always said if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all...  so I'm not going to talk about the officiating in the strangest ending to an otherwise well fought game.  What I don't understand is how, with less than a second on the clock, the Hornets got hosed like they did tonight.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2009, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 07, 2009, 06:55:08 PM
Let me say this - tonight was the first time I've seen this hornet squad play hard for 40 minutes and I hope they can rebound from this.

My parents always said if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all...  so I'm not going to talk about the officiating in the strangest ending to an otherwise well fought game.  What I don't understand is how, with less than a second on the clock, the Hornets got hosed like they did tonight.
gotta give me the scoop - live stats showed that as an 88-85 final for su, then i log on this evening to see ncwc wins in ot...what tha...

just read the game story...sounds like some anti home-cookin' - how does ncwc get a layup with .8 seconds left???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2009, 01:34:27 AM
I was wondering what you were talking about Narch. I saw NCW score and was confused as to why you were congratulating SU......I figured it was lack of sleep, cheap alcohol, or both.

SU97 - give us the scoop. Sounds like the 1972 Olympics! Haha...were any of you even born then?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 08, 2009, 03:28:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2009, 01:34:27 AM
I was wondering what you were talking about Narch. I saw NCW score and was confused as to why you were congratulating SU......I figured it was lack of sleep, cheap alcohol, or both.

SU97 - give us the scoop. Sounds like the 1972 Olympics! Haha...were any of you even born then?
Yes.  lol  Of course, the Russians got three chances!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 08, 2009, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2009, 01:34:27 AMSounds like the 1972 Olympics! Haha...were any of you even born then?
barely...and i'm old...that makes you a fossil, dude :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 08, 2009, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: narch on February 07, 2009, 11:05:27 PM
just read the game story...sounds like some anti home-cookin' - how does ncwc get a layup with .8 seconds left???

Bizarre.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 08, 2009, 10:17:20 PM
That's the only word that comes to mind.  What a bizarre ending.

Here's the game story info to get you guys up to speed:

Leading 87-82 with 30 seconds remaining in regulation following a pair of Wayne Washington free throws, Shenandoah could only watch as Wesleyan made an improbable comeback.

The Bishops cut the deficit to three with eight seconds left on a Jarmel Arrington three-pointer from 25-feet out. Arrington's shot came after his club missed four shots prior; Shenandoah's Kenny Robertson got the third rebound, fell and was called for traveling to give the ball back to NCWC.

Wesleyan immediated fouled on the in-bounds play, and Robertson hit the second of two to give the Hornets an 88-85 lead.

The Bishops advanced the ball into the frontcourt on the ensuing possession, where Robertson was whistled for a foul on Trey Drake with .8 left.

Drake, who was originally awarded two foul shots and then changed to three, missed the first attempt.

After making the second, he missed the third intentionally.

Shenandoah's Kevin Kline got a hand on the missed shot, seemingly sealing the win for SU.

Except that the game-clock never started, which gave NCWC one last chance.

Drake made the most of the opportunity as he got the ball into Buddy Williams under the basket, where Williams laid it in for the game-tying bucket.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 08, 2009, 10:29:13 PM
It was crazy, a rollercoaster:

1)  What looked like a foul on the floor, morphed into a shooting foul for 2, then magically became a 3 shot foul (head referee was overturned?).   

2)  Drake missed his first shot...  crazy - we might win this one!

3)  Drake drains the second free throw.   (.8 ticks on the clock)

4)  Drake misses the third on purpose and Kline gets a hand on it and throws it to the floor (in-bounds) and it bounces up to the middle of the wall.

5)  Refs do a little huddle and decide nothing.

6)  NCWC inbounds to a guy running free in the lane and somehow catches and lays it up in less than a second. 

Hornets deflated and NCWC easily runs through the OT for the win. 

Bizarre.

The last time I was that stunned in Shingleton was when ALZIMA (http://www.alizma.com) opened for the SU-CNU game a couple years ago.  lol    I remember the look on CJ's face - I think they only sent 4 guys out for tip-off! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dirtybird on February 09, 2009, 06:20:57 PM
That was a crazy game and congrats to NCWC for a great win. I look forward to seeing what they can do for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2009, 09:03:21 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 08, 2009, 10:29:13 PM
4)  Drake misses the third on purpose and Kline gets a hand on it and throws it to the floor (in-bounds) and it bounces up to the middle of the wall.

5)  Refs do a little huddle and decide nothing.
sounds like the hornets got jobbed...i'm usually the first to say that officiating rarely determines the outcome of a game, but if this account is true, they did...i hope the conference looks into this and that the officials are reprimanded if it is determined that they were in the wrong
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 09, 2009, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 08, 2009, 10:29:13 PM


The last time I was that stunned in Shingleton was when ALZIMA (http://www.alizma.com) opened for the SU-CNU game a couple years ago.  lol    I remember the look on CJ's face - I think they only sent 4 guys out for tip-off! ;D


Give me 2 days notice if Alzima opens another game so I can make the trip!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 10, 2009, 03:00:33 PM
Go "MONARTCHES!!!"

HAHA - Narch knows what I mean!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
I only have one thing to say, why can't there be one team on the men's side that can remain as to be the "perennial team to beat"

2008-09 (current)

Christopher Newport.   6-1

2007-08
Methodist...........   8-4    Ferrum..............   8-4

2006-07
Greensboro..........   9-3   Averett.............   9-3

2006-05
Chris. Newport......   9-3  Averett.............   9-3

2005-04
Methodist...........  10-2 

I believe the USASouth is unique when it comes to "consistency" at the top of the conference. (I couldn't think of a better word)

In some respects it will be rare for the USASouth to ever get more than one team into the NCAA tournament. It appears that winning the conference tournament is more important than winning the regular season title.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 10, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
I only have one thing to say, why can't there be one team on the men's side that can remain as to be the "perennial team to beat"

2008-09 (current)

Christopher Newport.   6-1

2007-08
Methodist...........   8-4    Ferrum..............   8-4

2006-07
Greensboro..........   9-3   Averett.............   9-3

2006-05
Chris. Newport......   9-3  Averett.............   9-3

2005-04
Methodist...........  10-2 

I believe the USASouth is unique when it comes to "consistency" at the top of the conference. (I couldn't think of a better word)

In some respects it will be rare for the USASouth to ever get more than one team into the NCAA tournament. It appears that winning the conference tournament is more important than winning the regular season title.
welcome back psbbg!

interestingly enough, if you had gone back 2 additional seasons (02-03 and 03-04), you might have seen more of a trend developing (hint...mu won the regular season and conference tourney in both of those years :)) - mu winning the regular season 4 of the last 6 years is pretty consistent, i think (of course, cnu won 5 in 5 years from 97-98 - 02-03, and that was pretty consistent, too)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 10, 2009, 06:15:11 PM
I'd say it's CNU for the past 15 years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2009, 06:25:46 PM
I did look at that the years prior.  I mentioned just the recent years.  On the girls side on the other hand, its a different story.

Quote from: narch on February 10, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
I only have one thing to say, why can't there be one team on the men's side that can remain as to be the "perennial team to beat"

2008-09 (current)

Christopher Newport.   6-1

2007-08
Methodist...........   8-4    Ferrum..............   8-4

2006-07
Greensboro..........   9-3   Averett.............   9-3

2006-05
Chris. Newport......   9-3  Averett.............   9-3

2005-04
Methodist...........  10-2 

I believe the USASouth is unique when it comes to "consistency" at the top of the conference. (I couldn't think of a better word)

In some respects it will be rare for the USASouth to ever get more than one team into the NCAA tournament. It appears that winning the conference tournament is more important than winning the regular season title.
welcome back psbbg!

interestingly enough, if you had gone back 2 additional seasons (02-03 and 03-04), you might have seen more of a trend developing (hint...mu won the regular season and conference tourney in both of those years :)) - mu winning the regular season 4 of the last 6 years is pretty consistent, i think (of course, cnu won 5 in 5 years from 97-98 - 02-03, and that was pretty consistent, too)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 10, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
the monarchs got hammered by au tonight...first half was tight (29-27 at half time), but au just opened a can in the second half to win 70-55 - au is very physical and they play very hard...i still can't get used to seeing that - the cougars of old (pre jimmy allen) used to play hard only on the offensive end - connor had 3 first half blocks and finished with just 3 for the night...tough loss
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 10, 2009, 10:12:32 PM
Quote from: narch on February 10, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
the monarchs got hammered by au tonight...first half was tight (29-27 at half time), but au just opened a can in the second half to win 70-55 - au is very physical and they play very hard...i still can't get used to seeing that - the cougars of old (pre jimmy allen) used to play hard only on the offensive end - connor had 3 first half blocks and finished with just 3 for the night...tough loss
Here come the Cougars... if they beat my Captains at home this week I don't think they will be stopped.  They are on a roll right now and that win would probably push them through to the end of the season.

GO CAPTAINS!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 10, 2009, 10:13:24 PM
Hey PSBBG, welcome back!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 11, 2009, 09:15:42 PM
Nice. CNU wins at NCW. Bishops starters are 13-51. Drake 0-9, Arrington 3-18. Bishops are 6-30 from three.

Good road win for CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 11, 2009, 09:58:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 11, 2009, 09:15:42 PM
Nice. CNU wins at NCW. Bishops starters are 13-51. Drake 0-9, Arrington 3-18. Bishops are 6-30 from three.

Good road win for CNU

karma
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 12, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
I hope someone from The Daily Press reads this. Your coverage of CNU basketball SUCKS!! Tracy McGrady's knee received more coverage than CNU. The main office for the Daily Press is just down Warwick Blvd from CNU. Technically, CNU is the only home team for The DP. I know there is HU and W&M - but they are in other cities. I had to hunt for CNU Lady Captain's news. Obituaries have more info. HELLO - CNU Lady Caps have an All-American!!!!

HELLO - CNU men's team is in first place in the conference with a huge game coming up against Averett.

CNU had great coverage with Jennifer Williams on the job. Put her back covering CNU athletics!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on February 13, 2009, 05:52:17 AM
85 thanks for saying "exactly" what I've been thinking for some weeks now.    Both men's and women's teams are doing well.  But you DEF would not discover that in the Daily Press!  And the individual stories they could cover!  The girls have one player who will re-write the CNU record books and the men's team has two!  Not a peep out of the press.  I like William and Mary—but they are not very good this year—but their woes get plenty of ink.  I haven't checked their attendance, but I'll bet ours is better!  I don't get it. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on February 13, 2009, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
I hope someone from The Daily Press reads this. Your coverage of CNU basketball SUCKS!! Tracy McGrady's knee received more coverage than CNU. The main office for the Daily Press is just down Warwick Blvd from CNU. Technically, CNU is the only home team for The DP. I know there is HU and W&M - but they are in other cities. I had to hunt for CNU Lady Captain's news. Obituaries have more info. HELLO - CNU Lady Caps have an All-American!!!!

HELLO - CNU men's team is in first place in the conference with a huge game coming up against Averett.

CNU had great coverage with Jennifer Williams on the job. Put her back covering CNU athletics!!!!

Sent you an offline message on this
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2009, 10:29:00 AM
Oops!!! My sincere apologies to Newport News Apprentice School. I failed to mention that the Builders are even more overlooked by the Daily Press.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2009, 10:02:16 PM
And I cant remember the last time the amazing CNU beat writer Melinda Waldrop was either at Freeman or actually mentioned something about CNU in her wonderful "On Campus" piece she writes once a week. The coverage is utterly RIDICULOUS! Makes me wanna hurl its so bad!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2009, 11:04:35 PM
c'mon boys...it could be worse...like mu trying to get any ink the fayetteville observer...between campbell, uncp and fayetteville state athletics along with high school sports, mu is lucky to get ANY coverage...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 16, 2009, 12:18:40 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
I only have one thing to say, why can't there be one team on the men's side that can remain as to be the "perennial team to beat"

Do this... at the beginning of the season go into the stands in each of the 7 gyms in the conference.  Ask the regular fans in attendance the following question... "If you could only win ONE home game this year, what team would you like to beat?"  In 6 of the gyms the most popular answer would be... CNU.  If I were in attendance that day I would say... "NCWC."  I hate those guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2009, 03:26:02 PM
HAHA...Captj answering posts from a week ago!!! Ahhhh, that's the life...to be on "Island Time"!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2009, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 13, 2009, 10:02:16 PM
And I cant remember the last time the amazing CNU beat writer Melinda Waldrop was either at Freeman or actually mentioned something about CNU in her wonderful "On Campus" piece she writes once a week. The coverage is utterly RIDICULOUS! Makes me wanna hurl its so bad!

Melinda who?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2009, 09:58:35 PM
the monarchs get a win vs. ncwc tonight, 77-72 - connor had an offensive explosion, scoring 12 :) - he did 8 blocks and 8 boards on the night - sigman scored 20, lehman poured in 19 and jernigan had 16...nice balance - arrington was held to 7 points on 2-8 shooting and only drake (20) and coleman (10) had double figures for the bishops

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0216.htm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 16, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
Quote from: narch on February 16, 2009, 09:58:35 PM
the monarchs get a win vs. ncwc tonight, 77-72 - connor had an offensive explosion, scoring 12 :) - he did 8 blocks and 8 boards on the night - sigman scored 20, lehman poured in 19 and jernigan had 16...nice balance - arrington was held to 7 points on 2-8 shooting and only drake (20) and coleman (10) had double figures for the bishops

box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0216.htm)
Congratulations to the Monarchs.  You know, the Bishops looked like world-beaters when I saw them in December, but they have not gotten it done since.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2009, 11:55:46 PM
What are the tiebreaker procedures again?  I believe they should come into play again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2009, 03:40:10 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2009, 11:55:46 PM
What are the tiebreaker procedures again?  I believe they should come into play again this year.

I hope it's not alphabetical!!  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 17, 2009, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2009, 03:40:10 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2009, 11:55:46 PM
What are the tiebreaker procedures again?  I believe they should come into play again this year.

I hope it's not alphabetical!!  :o

I believe the tiebreaker is record against teams starting from highest seed to lowest seed.
That would put methodist at the #4 seed and NCWC at the #5 seed if the season ended today.




Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 17, 2009, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 17, 2009, 03:40:10 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 16, 2009, 11:55:46 PM
What are the tiebreaker procedures again?  I believe they should come into play again this year.

I hope it's not alphabetical!!  :o
Man, there's only one thing to do:  change your name to AAA State U!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: fivestar on February 18, 2009, 10:09:56 AM
Why doesnt anybody talk about the cougars of au they have been one of the top teams since jimmy allen has taken over.  They are tough they play hard they one of the best shooters in frazier a kid with the biggest heart in parker and they have the player of the year in rumley he can flat out play.  Lets not forget they are doing this without there big man brown oh yea they are tied for first again somebody pls show some love!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2009, 10:28:28 AM
Welcome to the boards, fivestar.

I see that Averett and CNU both have 2 losses.

They split the series.

Averett lost to Ferrum.

CNU lost to Methodist.

(I don't find the tie-breaker guidelines on the USA South web site.)

If both teams "win out", who has the #1 seed in the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: fivestar on February 18, 2009, 10:51:42 AM
well if they both win out then cnu gets the tie breaker because cnu beat ferrum and au split with them but au beat methodist but because ferrum is a higher seed it goes to cnu
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
if i've figured this correctly, there are three scenarios which would make cnu a #1 seed:

scenario 1
both win out - cnu is the #1 seed by virtue of their season sweep of fc (who will be the #3 seed if this happens since nobody could tie them in this scenario)

scenario 2:
ncwc beats au on friday and cnu wins out (no tie breaker necessary)

scenario 3:
ncwc beats au on friday, cnu wins one, ncwc beats fc on saturday

au and cnu would finish 9-3 while ncwc and fc would finish 6-6 - ncwc would be the #3 seed by virtue of head to head with fc, and cnu would be 2-0 vs. ncwc while au would be 1-1 vs. the bishops (breaking the tie)

if mu wins out and the above scenario (scenario 3) takes place (meaning cnu loses to mu and wins against gc while ncwc wins out), au would be the #1 seed based on their 2-0 record vs. mu in the regular season (MU would be the #3 seed if fc, ncwc and mu all finish 6-6 because they would be 2-2 vs. au/cnu while fc and ncwc would both be 1-3 vs. au/cnu)

i think ;)

i know that the usasac tie breaker rule breaks ties first by head-to-head results, then comparative results vs. teams from the top of the standings down
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 18, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: fivestar on February 18, 2009, 10:09:56 AM
Why doesnt anybody talk about the cougars of au they have been one of the top teams since jimmy allen has taken over.  They are tough they play hard they one of the best shooters in frazier a kid with the biggest heart in parker and they have the player of the year in rumley he can flat out play.  Lets not forget they are doing this without there big man brown oh yea they are tied for first again somebody pls show some love!!!!!

not much talk about AU on the boards cuz the regular posters on here typically only see opposing teams once a year. So - until some AU fans start posting there's not much talk. Welcome to the boards, Rumley! You can "flat out play"  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HSC85 on February 18, 2009, 04:30:22 PM
I have a daughter on the AU women's team and I have seen several of the AU men's games.  I think that AU is a very talented team that has a good chance to win the tournament.  They got by the trap game on Sunday after an emotional win against CNU on Saturday.  The only times that I have seen them struggle happen when they don't shoot well.  That hurt them much more in the early part of the season.  Now they are much more balanced and they don't rely on the three all of time. 

Go Cougars!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: narch on February 18, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
if i've figured this correctly, there are three scenarios which would make cnu a #1 seed:

scenario 1
both win out - cnu is the #1 seed by virtue of their season sweep of fc (who will be the #3 seed if this happens since nobody could tie them in this scenario)

scenario 2:
ncwc beats au on friday and cnu wins out (no tie breaker necessary)

scenario 3:
ncwc beats au on friday, cnu wins one, ncwc beats fc on saturday

and scenario 4:   SU gets relegated to Division 4
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2009, 07:17:29 PM
seriously though... I think the Hornets have a decent shot at a split this weekend, and if Stevie Johns can get hot like he did saturday and can get some help on offense...  well, 2-0 might not be that much of a stretch.  Hornets are playing hard right now and a couple of decent bounces our way can be a great push to the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2009, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: cnububba on February 13, 2009, 05:52:17 AM
85 thanks for saying "exactly" what I've been thinking for some weeks now.    Both men's and women's teams are doing well.  But you DEF would not discover that in the Daily Press!  And the individual stories they could cover!  The girls have one player who will re-write the CNU record books and the men's team has two!  Not a peep out of the press.  I like William and Mary—but they are not very good this year—but their woes get plenty of ink.  I haven't checked their attendance, but I'll bet ours is better!  I don't get it. 
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
I hope someone from The Daily Press reads this. Your coverage of CNU basketball SUCKS!! Tracy McGrady's knee received more coverage than CNU. The main office for the Daily Press is just down Warwick Blvd from CNU. Technically, CNU is the only home team for The DP. I know there is HU and W&M - but they are in other cities. I had to hunt for CNU Lady Captain's news. Obituaries have more info. HELLO - CNU Lady Caps have an All-American!!!!

HELLO - CNU men's team is in first place in the conference with a huge game coming up against Averett.

CNU had great coverage with Jennifer Williams on the job. Put her back covering CNU athletics!!!!

Guys.  This is exactly why we all hate CNU....  you are killing the competition and complain because you aren't getting any pub.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2009, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 16, 2009, 12:18:40 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 10, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
I only have one thing to say, why can't there be one team on the men's side that can remain as to be the "perennial team to beat"

Do this... at the beginning of the season go into the stands in each of the 7 gyms in the conference.  Ask the regular fans in attendance the following question... "If you could only win ONE home game this year, what team would you like to beat?"  In 6 of the gyms the most popular answer would be... CNU.  If I were in attendance that day I would say... "NCWC."  I hate those guys.

+1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2009, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: fivestar on February 18, 2009, 10:09:56 AM
Why doesnt anybody talk about the cougars of au they have been one of the top teams since jimmy allen has taken over.  They are tough they play hard they one of the best shooters in frazier a kid with the biggest heart in parker and they have the player of the year in rumley he can flat out play.  Lets not forget they are doing this without there big man brown oh yea they are tied for first again somebody pls show some love!!!!!

see these two posts...

Quote from: narch on January 22, 2009, 08:25:17 AM
just took a good look at the box score (http://www.mumonarchs.com/custompages/MBasketball/2008-09/mum0121.htm), and rumley killed the monarchs (again) - how's this for a line:

6-10, 16 pts, 7 rebs, 9 asst, 0 to's, 7 steals...nice, efficient performance...that kid can play

Quote from: narch on February 10, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
the monarchs got hammered by au tonight...first half was tight (29-27 at half time), but au just opened a can in the second half to win 70-55 - au is very physical and they play very hard...i still can't get used to seeing that - the cougars of old (pre jimmy allen) used to play hard only on the offensive end - connor had 3 first half blocks and finished with just 3 for the night...tough loss

and it's probably not the greatest idea to push your own poty candidacy on a public forum the week before the conference tournament starts :) (although i agree that you're the best player in the league)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 18, 2009, 11:30:39 PM
SU97 for POTY ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 19, 2009, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2009, 11:30:39 PM
SU97 for POTY ;)
You got my vote... by absentee ballot. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 20, 2009, 04:57:33 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 18, 2009, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: cnububba on February 13, 2009, 05:52:17 AM
85 thanks for saying "exactly" what I've been thinking for some weeks now.    Both men's and women's teams are doing well.  But you DEF would not discover that in the Daily Press!  And the individual stories they could cover!  The girls have one player who will re-write the CNU record books and the men's team has two!  Not a peep out of the press.  I like William and Mary—but they are not very good this year—but their woes get plenty of ink.  I haven't checked their attendance, but I'll bet ours is better!  I don't get it. 
Quote from: CNU85 on February 12, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
I hope someone from The Daily Press reads this. Your coverage of CNU basketball SUCKS!! Tracy McGrady's knee received more coverage than CNU. The main office for the Daily Press is just down Warwick Blvd from CNU. Technically, CNU is the only home team for The DP. I know there is HU and W&M - but they are in other cities. I had to hunt for CNU Lady Captain's news. Obituaries have more info. HELLO - CNU Lady Caps have an All-American!!!!

HELLO - CNU men's team is in first place in the conference with a huge game coming up against Averett.

CNU had great coverage with Jennifer Williams on the job. Put her back covering CNU athletics!!!!

Guys.  This is exactly why we all hate CNU....  you are killing the competition and complain because you aren't getting any pub.   ;D

1. CNU is in second place
2. Some of us complain that the recent change at the DP has not been good
= "we all hate CNU"

that makes no sense
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 20, 2009, 05:21:14 PM
CNU85: I just think it's funny you guys are always complaining about something... 

Narch - you are a 3rd party observer, your thoughts?



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 20, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Final weekend of the regular season, and a home FRIDAY NIGHT GAME!  finally, all these 4pm start times are lame...  I hope the Hornets can finish strong, good luck to all the other teams this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2009, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 20, 2009, 05:21:14 PMNarch - you are a 3rd party observer, your thoughts?
i hate cnu, too :)

seriously, the captains took the first step toward the #1 seed with a "w" against my monarchs tonight - i think they're the most complete and balanced team in the usasac this year with a nice combo of size, experience and talent - cnu will need to beat gc on saturday to get the #1 seed, though, as au beat ncwc in ot tonight behind 33 from poty, jonathan rumley

i hope the monarchs can take home a win on saturday vs. the hornets and make a little noise in the tournament - they've done about what i expected this year, after losing so many starters - i think the foundation they've got is really nice...sigman has developed into a really nice player, connor is the best shot blocker in d3 and jernigan, fulp, jones, and blackshear all have really bright futures - if the monarchs can find another pg and another big guy (or four) in the recruiting season, this team could be back near the top of the conference quickly
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2009, 12:18:26 PM
John's sealed the win for the Hornets last night at the 4:22 mark by hitting two free-throws to stop the GC onslaught....  (I think they outscored the hornets by 50 points in the second half) and a big rebound by my now favorite player #44 on the next possession to allow the Hornets to turn the tide.  Methodist tonight....

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 21, 2009, 12:39:26 PM
Quote from: narch on February 20, 2009, 10:37:52 PM
i hope the monarchs can take home a win on saturday vs. the hornets and make a little noise in the tournament - they've done about what i expected this year, after loosing so many starters - i think the foundation they've got is really nice...sigman has developed into a really nice player, connor is the best shot blocker in d3 and jernigan, fulp, jones, and blackshear all have really bright futures - if the monarchs can find another pg and another big guy (or four) in the recruiting season, this team could be back near the top of the conference quickly

Narch - I think it's going to be a close game tonight.  I don't know how much gas the Hornets have left in the tank, we'll see.  It's going to be up to the seniors to pull us through. Their last home game...  I've always enjoyed the SU-MC matchup, for much of the 1990's it was a pretty even series - some good games over the years.  I remember a point guard for MC named Rue (spelling?) who would average like 10 points all year long but would light us up for 30...  There was a guy named Childers too who could play...  then the 2000's came along with Porter, Hatch & Co....  man Narch, you guys have definately had some talent down in NC...  best of luck after tonight and unless we see you in the tourney! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2009, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: SU97 on February 21, 2009, 12:39:26 PM
Narch - I think it's going to be a close game tonight.
prescient much?

looks like it was a pretty exciting game, but it looks like the monarchs let one slip through their hands...i think that makes su the #4 seed, but i could be wrong - congrats to the hornets for fighting back...they trailed by 13 with 5:53 left
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
Well.....I missed the games this weekend. Oh well. I will not miss next week's games. Looks like the game tonight was not one I should have missed. Even the Lady Captains almost topped GC and ruined their perfect conference record. Almost.

A good year for CNU. Blasingame's return was HUGE!

Narch - I've wanted a dunk all year and I miss the CNU/MU game and in the paper this morning is a picture of CNU Fr Hermann slamming one in......geez.

Good job Captains. Look forward to next weekend. I have to get my tickets Monday morning.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2009, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2009, 09:16:47 PMNarch - I've wanted a dunk all year and I miss the CNU/MU game and in the paper this morning is a picture of CNU Fr Hermann slamming one in......geez.
and you complained about the coverage cnu gets...glad that a monarch (or monarchs) could serve as the posterized :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 21, 2009, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: narch on February 21, 2009, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 21, 2009, 09:16:47 PMNarch - I've wanted a dunk all year and I miss the CNU/MU game and in the paper this morning is a picture of CNU Fr Hermann slamming one in......geez.
and you complained about the coverage cnu gets...glad that a monarch (or monarchs) could serve as the posterized :)

Funny you mention that. The story in this morning's paper was more than I've seen all year.......hmmmm...I wonder why??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2009, 10:19:46 PM
Well there is a three-way tie for fourth place and the Hornets win the tie breaker by virtue of their 3-1 record vs. NC Wesleyan and Methodist. The Bishops are the 5 and MU is the 6. Greensboro at Averett, Methodist at Ferrum and NC Wesleyan at Shenandoah in the 4/5 game. Winner of that gets CNU at 8 on Friday.

85 I looked across both days and didnt see you in your seats! What gives? Wife put the clamp on ya didnt she?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 22, 2009, 03:53:31 PM
4th Place...  all is right with the world ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 22, 2009, 09:51:25 PM
USASouth Games for Tuesday:

GC(+5)@AU: GC has made it to at least the semi-finals the last two years, but so as AU. AU is still the favorite. GC shot 17.1% from behind the arch last time and AU shot 46% from behind the arch. The GC and AU games are usually fun to watch. 

MU(+3)@FC: The Methodist-Ferrum game is the game to watch for Tuesday.  Methodist the #6 seed looks to continue the run the #6 seeds made in recent years.

SU(+7)@NCWC: This could be a very good game.  NCWC has made it to the semi-finals the last couple of of years.  SU is scoring about 6pts per game less than their defense gives up. NCWC leads the conference in scoring margin and is 2nd in FG%.  If SU gets to the line, they could pull it off.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 22, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
Narrator.  First question ... is it arch or arc?

Q.  It's arc!

P.  No, you're wrong!  It's arch!

Q.  No, you're wrong!

P.  No, you're wrong!

Narrator.  Next question:  is "as" a verb?

Q.  No, it should be "has"!

P.  No, you're wrong!  It's "as"!

Q.  No, you're wrong!

P.  No, you're wrong!

Narrator.  Next question:  which is better, scoring "6pts" (sic) less than your defense gives up or scoring "6pts" more than your defense gives up?

Q.  That's easy!  It's more!

P.  No, you're wrong!  It's "less"!

Q.  No, you're wrong!

P.  No, you're wrong!

Narrator.  Next question:  how do you spell "ginseng"?

Q.  It's G-I-N-S-E-N-G.

P.  They distill gin that can sing?

Wake up people!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 22, 2009, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 22, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
Narrator.  First question ... is it arch or arc?

Q.  It's arc!

P.  No, you're wrong!  It's arch!

Q.  No, you're wrong!

P.  No, you're wrong!

Narrator.  Next question:  is "as" a verb?

Q.  No, it should be "has"!

P.  No, you're wrong!  It's "as"!

Q.  No, you're wrong!

P.  No, you're wrong!

Narrator.  Next question:  which is better, scoring "6pts" (sic) less than your defense gives up or scoring "6pts" more than your defense gives up?

Q.  More.

P.  No, you're wrong!  It's "less."

Q.  No, you're wrong!

P.  No, you're wrong!

Next question:  how do you spell "ginseng"?

Q.  It's G-I-N-S-E-N-G.

P.  They distill gin that can sing?

Wake up people!

I swear I went back to edit my post, but I couldn't go back and do it. I was going back to fix the arch-arc and has-as.

I thought it should have been "fewer" anyway. :P

SU averages 67 and gives up 73.  How can you score "more?"

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 22, 2009, 11:47:37 PM
78 points friday night seemed to do the trick... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2009, 02:00:49 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 21, 2009, 10:19:46 PM

85 I looked across both days and didnt see you in your seats! What gives? Wife put the clamp on ya didnt she?  ;)

HAHA...good one. No, I was a little under the weather. I could stay home and get better....or sit across the floor from you and see your ugly mug...which would have made me sickerer! :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2009, 10:25:24 PM
here's a good article about 2 pg's who are, to borrow a phrase from the ncaa, "going pro (http://www.mumonarchs.com/news/2009/2/23/feature_0223090800.aspx)" - both epitomize the term student-athlete - i'm hoping they both have a few more games as pg's, though :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 23, 2009, 11:31:26 PM
Narch - I have to tell you - Saturday's game was a great one to watch.  #30 killed us in the first half from long-range.  Glad he'll be graduating...  Conner had 2,105 blocks in the first five minutes, but his offensive production was off.  Give him another year to work on that end of the court and he's going to be one of the top centers in this league. SU had no answer for #24.  That kid can flat-out play.  Nice little slash move to the lane, rinse, repeat...  I would expect him to end up as a real legit shot at a POTY as an upperclassmen.  Amazed to find out he's a frosh... 

Good luck tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2009, 09:13:35 PM
barn burner in ferrum, va - 9 seconds left and the monarchs have tried to give this away - they're up one with 9 seconds left and connor on the line shooting 2 - he's a 34% ft shooter...

first one misses badly...

second is good...

ferrum no to's

mu called for goaltending with 2.9 left...we're going to ot

the monarchs missed 4 straight ft's and had a to in the last :53

the monarchs dominate ot and win...can au make it 3 in one season against the monarchs?  hope not :)

i see that su beat ncwc...another underacheiving season mercifully ends for the bishops, but the hornets are on a little roll to close things out...i'd take a mu/su final :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 24, 2009, 10:47:54 PM
Man, the Cougars mauled the Pride tonight by 41 ... ouch!  Fortunately, that's a relatively quick bus ride from Danville to Greensboro.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2009, 10:28:54 PM
What a crazy comeback for the Hornets last night!  Down by 10 from the start and as much as 15, SU battled back to get it within 5 at the half - mostly on the back of SU senior Schrader, who hit for 17 in the first half.  Fell apart again behind Arrington's shooting (2-3 from mid court, 4-5 from the Pep Band, and 1-1 from Maryland...) and NCWC's early second half push down low. Hornets just kept sticking around and then started to press.  A couple of NCWC turnovers and some strong rebounding by the Hornets and SU pulled off a pretty stunning upset.  (yes, I realize we were the #4 seed...  but with a 8-16 record I don't think anyone honestly was giving the Hornets much of a chance against the Bishops)  I have to hand it to the kids and the coaching staff - this is much further than was ever expected of this squad. On paper there is no way SU should be advancing to Newport News... I hope they can keep it rolling. Go Hornets!

CNU on the clock...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
I see the All-Conference selections were announced today:


First Team
Mark Blasingame - Christopher Newport
Davon Barton - Christopher Newport
Keith Crump - Ferrum
Derek Mitchell - Ferrum
Jonathan Rumley - Averett   (POTY)

Second Team
Jarmel Arrington - N.C. Wesleyan
Trey Drake - N.C. Wesleyan
Michael Green - Christopher Newport
Kevin Kline - Shenandoah
A.B. Lehmann - Methodist

Third Team
Damien Brown - Averett
Ryan Frazier - Averett
Kenny Hart - Averett  (ROTY)
Stevie Johns - Shenandoah
Adam Powell - Greensboro

I'm pretty comfortable with the selections this year.  I would have switched Arrington with Barton due to the fact that Arrington led the conference in scoring average (17.8 ppg) but CNU won the conference under Barton's leadership (and league leading assists) so I can see where the coaches were probably coming from. The rest of the first team are easy picks.  Rumley is very deserving of the POTY and they seem to be playing extremely well right now.

I am very pleased to see Kline get a second team nod. I really like his game and he's stepped up the last few games to carry SU out of the cellar.  Also nice to see Johns get recognized, he's playing hard right now.   

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2009, 12:12:17 AM
Wow, that 1st team is strong!  And with Arrington off the bench those guys would be amazing to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 28, 2009, 01:20:29 PM
This board got strangley quiet. Almost time to hea down the Blvd to watch the 2 CNU teams play this afternoon. It will be a very intense afternoon.

CJ Woollum had a great quote after the game last night....I'll paraphrase....said that if CNU starts out slow today like they did last night, then AU can pick a number they will win by.

True.

Hey - if anyone can remember earlier in the year when I was looking for dunks (C'mon man)......I saw 3 yesterday!

Lady Caps open the fun in less than an hour against GC.....GC is tough. CNU's Schweers dropped in 29 yesterday and 28 Tuesday night.....

CJ tells his guys the best hoops player on campus is a girl!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on February 28, 2009, 07:34:26 PM
Congrats to the Averett University mens basketball team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 28, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
What a fun day. I wish there was a different outcome for the men's game. AU is a tough team with their 6 seniors. CNU didn't have enough depth. I think they only played 7 guys. Starters were tired and Barton and Blasingame got into early foul trouble and the Cougars took advantage of it and won the game. Brumley looked like he was struggling....he shot 5-16.....but he finished with 19 points and was named MVP. I think he sunk 6 FT at the end. Clutch player. Hey Brumley, good luck in tournament. I stopped and chatted with your parents. I was the guy in the CNU Football hat....I told them to pass along that I'll be cheering the Cougars on during the NCAA.


Davon Barton - his career ended today. Congrats on a great 4 years. He finished 7th in D3 all-time assists. Whinett.....thanks for 2 good years. You were fun to watch.

Interesting info on post game show I listened to on way home. Found out one player was off team this year due to grades and hopefully will be back next year. Also, a comment was made about Conley Taylor possibly being back on the team next year. Not sure what that was about.

Congrats to Lady Captains. They handed GC their second loss all year. Both teams should be in NCAA. Schweers is unbelievable.





Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2009, 09:06:41 PM
congrats to the cougars...they certainly deserved the championship this year, although through the season, i personally thought the captains had more overall talent and depth
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2009, 09:41:22 AM
Quote from: narch on February 28, 2009, 09:06:41 PM
congrats to the cougars...they certainly deserved the championship this year, although through the season, i personally thought the captains had more overall talent and depth

Narch,

At the very beginning of the year I was optimistic CNU had depth. But it became very clear that the coaches felt we were about 7 deep. I still haven't looked at the box sore yet - partly because the CNU site doesn't have the link activated (or it wasn't last night). I'm going to go look at it in a little while. My only concern for next year is the PG position. Wow - talking about next year already.




Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2009, 10:07:25 AM
I was right - CNU only had 7 play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2009, 10:32:50 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 22, 2008, 10:35:08 PM
CNU won 86-70. Starting lineup (if I remember correctly since I can't find a box score yet)

Going
Blasingame
Baker
Green
Whinett

Barton did not start. Doc just cleared him to play this week. Overall the team played well as a team. The chemistry was there. Nice to see. Everyone on team saw action in both halves.

Going....much more confident. Had good minutes. A nice backup for Barton when he gets back into starting lineup.

Blasingame....He's Baack!! 3 blocked shots and changed many more. He looked winded at times as if he missed a season of hoops......Oh yeah, he did. Once he gets back into game shape he will be 100%. I put him at 95% right now. Much better than I expected. I bet he's totally in rhythm by this weekend.

Baker. He played like he did his Freshman year, which was better than last year. He hustled more than I can remember.

Green. WOW. What a game he had. 21 points and a rebounding monster tonight.

Whinett. Hitting 3 pointers!!! His game is totally different now that Blasingame is back. Keep an eye on him for POTY.

Barton. Played well when he was in. Had a knee brace and an arm sleeve/pad in first half. Took off the arm thing in second half.

Barbosa. He's the shooter. Made his first ever college shot....3 pointer.

Faris. Playing as a kid in the driveway with his All-American dad helps. He is bigger than Blasingame and more physical. He was beating on So Va #24 like a rented mule! Also hit a three!!! He's 6-8, looks bigger. He will give Blasingame needed breaks. Faris does not play like a Freshman. Creates depth for CNU in the middle.

Ayala - seems to be a crowd favorite. Played well. Small and quick. Will be able to provide minutes at the 1or2 positions and give others time to rest.

Hermann - WOW. Does not play like a freshman. He's tough inside and can rebound. Adds even more depth for CNU. He should see ALOT of playing time. Very impressive.

Patterson. Another crowd favorite. Seemed improved over last year. Had good time on the floor.

Reid - Did not dress due to injury.

Russell - played well. Much better than last year. So Va caused him some problems in his passes. He adjusted.

This team is deeper than most CNU teams in the past 5-6 years. The 4 Freshman didn't play like it. I don't see much drop off when starters take a seat. This could mean fresh legs for the entire game. I know it was one game, but I liked what I saw. Let's see how they fare against a ranked team Tuesday night - Va Wesleyan.

Those were my thoughts after game 1. I figured a recap is in order now that the season is over:

Barton - he did not start that first game. The first few games he was at times rusty. Davon finished with a fantasic season and completed a great career at CNU. I'll have to look, ut I am told he finished 7th all time in assists in D3. Yet - I don't think he finished #1 at CNU. I'm not sure about that. I have some research to do. Also - unless CNU has an answer for his replacement, his graduation could mean many many wins.

Going - gave Barton some good minutes off the bench. But as we say last night when Barton had to sit with 4 fouls - Going is not going to be the guy to play 35 minutes at PG.

Blasingame - what can I say - he's the reason CNU went from 10-16 to 18-9. Someone posted way back before the season that Blasingame will mean 10 wins.....very good prediction.

Baker - played better this year. I hope he has a great senior yr next yr.

Green - a great year for Green. Glad he made all-tournament team. He hustles more than anybody on any team I've seen this year. He plays much bigger than he is. Loves to bang inside.

Whinett - had a hot and cold type of season. Played his 2 yr CNU career with intensity in the majority of games.

Barbosa - a very good shooter. I noticed he was often the 8th guy into the game. With Whinett graduating, he may see more playing time. But I don't see him starting next year.

Faris - had a good first game with 5 points, then kind of faded a little. He plays hard and physical when he is in. A few games I think he had more fouls than minutes. He really needs to develop in the off season because Blasingame will need rest in games next year. This year was tough on Blasingame playing 35 plus minutes in just about all 27 games.

Ayala - a quick little guy with a nice shot. I'm not sure what his role was this year or what it will be next year.

Hermann - I'll say it again - WOW! He takes Whinett's spot in starting line up. You could see CJ playing with that line up yesterday.

Patterson - left team. no comment

Reid - should be back next year and will be able to give some rest to the big men. Reid could mean 3-4 victories.

Russell - was starting to come off the bench very well. Didn't play second semester. Hit the books!!

While I was optimistic the team would have more depth, that didn't turn out to be the case on the floor. I think it is still there and there is a good core returning and some possible surprises for next year.

My next post will have my thoughts on net year and a potential starting line up.

Excuse any typos, Narch...this post is too long for me to want to preview.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on March 01, 2009, 10:35:29 AM
Congrats to Averett on a hard fought win and good luck in the NCAA tournament.  Caps have a very good nucleus coming back, especially if Russell and Taylor return.  Would not be surprised if Conley played some point—tough kid. 

Tough for both teams last night and really hurt CNU was the officiating.  Not consistent at all.  All year could not stand the bald "Napoleon" complex white guy—unapproachable.   Hope he doesn't get any NCAA playoffs.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2009, 10:45:21 AM
Thoughts about next year. Let's start with a potential starting line up

Conley Taylor  - what? I dunno. I heard something on post game last night about his return. This could be HUGE!!!!!!!
Blasingame
Green
Baker
Hermann

I like this line up if it comes togeher this way. If the Taylor thing is just a rumour, then CNU needs to go find a starting Freshman at PG. Hard to do.

Reid and Russel returning is also huge if it happens. I hope it does. Those guys remained close to the team even though they were not playing. I don't think anyone really knows how huge losing Reid was. He could have been the guy to rest Blasingame with quality minutes.

There is a kid at Tabb that wants to get in to CNU. There is some concern in the local paper about academics. He was named Bay Rivers District player of the year. Same district as Blasingame. I think he is a shooting forward. I hear he is a beast.

If Faris can develop into a guy that can give Blasingame some rest and then develop to take his spot the following year, and Reid can come back to add depth, next year will be competitive. Russell was the sixth man in a few early games and dropping in some significant points. I hope he gets it straight in the classroom.

The potential is there with a good, solid core of returning starters, some guys making back to the bench after a year's absence and a possible quality player wanting to come to CNU.

All we have to do is figure out Barton's replacement! (That's all???? ugh....this one factor is the key to the off season)

That's the "World According to CNU85". Take it for what it's worth!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2009, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: cnububba on March 01, 2009, 10:35:29 AM
Congrats to Averett on a hard fought win and good luck in the NCAA tournament.  Caps have a very good nucleus coming back, especially if Russell and Taylor return.  Would not be surprised if Conley played some point—tough kid. 

Tough for both teams last night and really hurt CNU was the officiating.  Not consistent at all.  All year could not stand the bald "Napoleon" complex white guy—unapproachable.   Hope he doesn't get any NCAA playoffs.   


I'd have to say the officiating was bad, but not what cost CNU the game. The refs were bad all over the court and for both teams.....they were "Equal Opportunity Bad Refs". Yes, the one guy you mentioned has had a thing for CNU for awhile. I hope the league notices it and keeps him away from CNU games.

Oh - and i you thought these  guys were bad- you should have seent the 3 clowns at the women's CHAMPIONSHIP game...wow....and I mean WOW!!!!!! I don't have a good enough vocabulary to say how horrible those 2 guys and 1 lady were. Oh man.....awful! Pathetic! I'm running out of adjectives.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2009, 11:30:11 AM
Averett travels to Centre.  Guilford's in the same group playing another Kentucky team, Transylvania.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2009, 11:52:45 AM
Maryville lost two close games to Centre, once at home on a last second shot in the first game of the year and then at their place (also early), and another close game to Transy at their place.  All of this was before Maryville's young team went on its 16 game win spree, which included beating Averett.  Centre and Transy are solid, well-coached teams.  I am sure Coach Allen will have a plan!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HSC85 on March 02, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
CNU85,

I was at both of the games on Sat as well.  The officiating was surprisingly awful.  I could not believe the inconsistent calls in both games.  The girls game was just missed calls and not calling the same thing everytime that they saw it.  The boys game really lookied like the officials wanted to manage the game.  It seemed at each timeout they would huddle, look at the scoreboard and make a plan on what how to call next segment.  I have seen the official that you are talking about and he has the "Napolean" concept in all the games I see him call both in the USASouth and the ODAC.  He really wants the game to be about him.

I have seen much better officiating in regular league games than what was on display in both the men's and women's tournament games.  I hope the conference will do some better scouting of the officials during the season before they decide who to "reward" with tournament games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:36:06 PM
Can someone post your NCAA team's profiles in here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 05, 2009, 06:29:25 PM
Centre will provide video of the weekend games for those of you at Averett  and the USA South interested. Check the links under Lammersk's post on the SCAC board for how to access video.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on March 05, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
Best of luck to AU in the NCAA Tournament!  Hope you guys make some noise for the USASAC!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 06, 2009, 07:05:36 PM
Quote from: SU97 on March 05, 2009, 10:34:06 PM
Best of luck to AU in the NCAA Tournament!  Hope you guys make some noise for the USASAC!

Wow, AU's leading at Centre, 35-22, at the half!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 06, 2009, 08:06:09 PM
Twelve in a row for AU ... 76-71 over Centre on the Colonels' court.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2009, 08:19:07 PM
AU had a great game plan and executed beautifully. Congratulations to Averett and the USA South from a Centre fan!  Really like #22. Need to ride him through the next round.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 06, 2009, 08:38:22 PM
great job, cougars...way to rep the usasac
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 06, 2009, 10:48:41 PM
The Quakers and the Cougars Round II tomorrow night ... wish the NCAA would let them move that game back to the Piedmont instead of playing in front of an empty house in Danville, KY.  It's a complete reversal of Black Friday last year in Greensboro when both GC & AU fell ... then Widener and St. Mary's (MD) played on Saturday in front of a very sparse crowd.

Congratulations to both teams!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2009, 11:18:19 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 06, 2009, 10:48:41 PM
The Quakers and the Cougars Round II tomorrow night ... wish the NCAA would let them move that game back to the Piedmont instead of playing in front of an empty house in Danville, KY.  It's a complete reversal of Black Friday last year in Greensboro when both GC & AU fell ... then Widener and St. Mary's (MD) played on Saturday in front of a very sparse crowd.

Congratulations to both teams!
You're right it won't be a full house with neither KY team advancing.  But there are a few hoops fans in this state that will show up to join Quaker and Cougar supporters in following the 2nd round game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 06, 2009, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on March 06, 2009, 11:18:19 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 06, 2009, 10:48:41 PM
The Quakers and the Cougars Round II tomorrow night ... wish the NCAA would let them move that game back to the Piedmont instead of playing in front of an empty house in Danville, KY.  It's a complete reversal of Black Friday last year in Greensboro when both GC & AU fell ... then Widener and St. Mary's (MD) played on Saturday in front of a very sparse crowd.

Congratulations to both teams!
You're right it won't be a full house with neither KY team advancing.  But there are a few hoops fans in this state that will show up to join Quaker and Cougar supporters in following the 2nd round game!
Glad to hear it!  These schools are only 50 miles apart and the players know each other well.  They play each other each year and the recruiting regions overlap.  In some cases, they've played against one another since HS.   They'll go after each other!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 07, 2009, 07:49:22 PM
Hey 85, check your messages.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
Any readers here who are even thinking they might want to attend the Final Four should enter the City of Salem's contest: Free lodging, free tickets, admission to team banquet and VIP passes:

http://www.d3hoops.com/salemgiveaway/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 23, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
not much talk this year about this game. I even forgot about the series. good win for the USA South. Can anyone find a box score or game recap that has more info?

http://cnusports.com/news/2009/3/23/MBB_0323090213.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2009/3/23/MBB_0323090213.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 23, 2009, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 23, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
not much talk this year about this game. I even forgot about the series. good win for the USA South. Can anyone find a box score or game recap that has more info?

http://cnusports.com/news/2009/3/23/MBB_0323090213.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2009/3/23/MBB_0323090213.aspx)
CNU85, here's the boxscore and play-by-play posted on Guilford's website:

http://www.guilford.edu/sports/Mbasketball/2008-09/HTML/odacusam.htm
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 24, 2009, 05:12:57 PM
Thanks for the info, Hasa!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 24, 2009, 06:49:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 24, 2009, 05:12:57 PM
Thanks for the info, Hasa!
You're welcome, CNU85 ... glad to help.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 28, 2009, 08:49:05 PM
Shenandoah and Juan Dixon got mentioned during the Pitt/Villanova game tonight as the announcers were talking about Pitt's Jermaine Dixon and his basketball-playing brothers.  They said Juan was in the stands watching.  Nice.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on May 07, 2009, 02:38:03 PM
i'm hearing good things about the monarch recruiting class...a couple of solid 6'4"/6'5" posts, a shooter that the coaching staff is very high on and they have a 6'9" project in the fold

they missed out on an impact 6'9" inch kid who took a d2 scholly (and had an offer from probably the worst d1 in the country)...they spent a lot of time on him and he was coming to mu if the scholarship didn't pan...but it did
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 08, 2009, 11:13:38 AM
The waiting around until the D2/NAIA offers are made must be difficult for the coaches, since getting those players in D3 is what makes the difference between good and very good for many D3 programs.  Maryville also lost a 6'9" player who went D1 but almost became a Scot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 06:49:36 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 08, 2009, 11:13:38 AM
The waiting around until the D2/NAIA offers are made must be difficult for the coaches, since getting those players in D3 is what makes the difference between good and very good for many D3 programs.  Maryville also lost a 6'9" player who went D1 but almost became a Scot.
Will spend one year at the place...  hate the experience... hate the school... realize that it will be fun at Murvul...call Coach Lambert and say he wants to come next season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on May 13, 2009, 07:47:58 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 06:49:36 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 08, 2009, 11:13:38 AM
The waiting around until the D2/NAIA offers are made must be difficult for the coaches, since getting those players in D3 is what makes the difference between good and very good for many D3 programs.  Maryville also lost a 6'9" player who went D1 but almost became a Scot.
Will spend one year at the place...  hate the experience... hate the school... realize that it will be fun at Murvul...call Coach Lambert and say he wants to come next season.
I've seen it happen also.  The reason he's in this spot is because he's 6'9" and, as the old saying goes, you can't teach height.  If he's borderline between DIII and DI, he probably won't stick in DI.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 13, 2009, 11:53:15 PM
Hope springs eternal....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on June 18, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
here's an article on a monarch recruit...i like winners

http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/PrepSports/200906140379 (http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/PrepSports/200906140379)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 18, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
Quote from: narch on June 18, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
here's an article on a monarch recruit...i like winners

http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/PrepSports/200906140379 (http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/PrepSports/200906140379)
Sounds like a good, solid player, narch.  Best of luck to MU this season unless, of course, they're playing the Quakes!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 19, 2009, 04:16:05 PM
Fromer CNU standout, still playing after all these years!

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_p2startrack_0616jun16,0,7524151.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_p2startrack_0616jun16,0,7524151.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 21, 2009, 11:55:43 PM
Thanks for the updates, guys.  I'm a bit out of circulation where I am.  And does anyone know who won the Superbowl? ;D 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 23, 2009, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on June 21, 2009, 11:55:43 PM
Thanks for the updates, guys.  I'm a bit out of circulation where I am.  And does anyone know who won the Superbowl? ;D 

The Vikings!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 23, 2009, 05:10:29 PM
A good story about Davon Barton....Good Luck!!

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_7cities_0620jun20,0,102311.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_7cities_0620jun20,0,102311.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 24, 2009, 09:57:04 AM
Greensboro Coach Galuski is a finalist for the head coaching job at Division II West Florida.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090623/SPORTS/906230311/UWF-basketball-coach-hopefuls-cut-to-10

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on June 29, 2009, 08:18:51 AM
 
http://www.news-record.com/content/2009/06/27/article/greensboro_college_fending_off_creditors

Greensboro College fending off creditors
Sunday, June 28, 2009
By Lorraine Ahearn
Staff Writer
A week ago, a lineman from Duke Energy handed an $8,000 disconnect notice to the undergrad working the front desk at Reynolds student union, saying Greensboro College had two hours to pay before the power would be turned off.
Monday, a sheriff's deputy served the college's vice president for business a summons to appear in small-claims court on a $1,245 office supply bill.

How bleak is the financial outlook at Greensboro College, where salaries were cut 20 percent this spring in an emergency move to avoid layoffs? Bleak enough that a restructuring consultant last week sent a letter asking creditors to be patient in collecting past due bills of $974,508 — most of them owed to local businesses.

Having met its June payroll Friday, according to Chief Restructuring Officer Edward Sanz, the college must now raise enough money to keep operating through the summer until students return in full force this fall."It's a tough patch, period, but we're going to get through it," said Sanz, whose Charlotte-based Naviscent Group was brought in by the college's board of trustees two months ago to reorganize the school's debt. "All the colleges are getting slammed right now."

True, the recession has hit campuses private and public, decimating endowments while drying up gifts from well-heeled benefactors.  But for a small liberal arts college that has rarely made headlines in its 161-year history, the depth of Greensboro College's financial woes is drawing notice.

So much so, that a national professional journal, the Chronicle of Higher Education, last week used the 1,300-student Greensboro College as a textbook example of, basically, how not to react to a crisis.  Under the front-page headline, "Broad Pay Cuts Make Deep Dents in Morale," the story quoted, at length, anonymous faculty members highly critical of Craven Williams, the school's president since 1993.

Williams, infuriated by the article and by recent discussion in the media of his $403,000 annual salary, said this week he has no intention of stepping down in response to the problems, as anonymous messages circulated on campus and on message boards have suggested. "I don't have anything to say to that," Williams said. "Anybody can just say anything when they're anonymous. Of course, it bothers me."

Williams, who took the 20 percent cut along with his staff, has for years worn the hat of campus ambassador and fundraiser-in-chief.  As such, says Sanz, the president's use of a Sunset Drive home the college owns in Irving Park, complete with maid service and BMW, are the cost of doing business. They are, Sanz argues, the necessary accoutrements for entertaining would-be major donors.
But the college, in contrast, can barely meet its own basic needs, according to the school's own list of outstanding bills obtained by the News & Record.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 30, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 24, 2009, 09:57:04 AM
Greensboro Coach Galuski is a finalist for the head coaching job at Division II West Florida.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090623/SPORTS/906230311/UWF-basketball-coach-hopefuls-cut-to-10


Coach Galuski seems to be fine young coach, but I expect several staff members at Greensboro College to bail out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Shenandoah is gradually easing itself out the door.

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=39092&CHID=3&sub=

Quote
HARRISONBURG - Shenandoah University has pined to be a member of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference for years. Now, that might be about to happen, albeit only in football.

ODAC commissioner Brad Bankston said Wednesday that the Hornets applied in mid February and were approved for an associate membership in late April, meaning Shenandoah could join the Salem-based league for football only as early as 2011.

"Procedurally, everything is in place," Bankston said by phone. "But there is still quite a bit that would have to happen for us to move forward."

From the ODAC perspective, Bankston said Shenandoah is in, but whether the Hornets make the jump depends on their ability to find a new home for their 17 other varsity sports. Shenandoah will not be an all-sports member of the ODAC because of the league's moratorium on admitting full members, and SU's current conference - Fayetteville, N.C.-based USA South - does not allow its full members to field varsity teams elsewhere.

The GSAC deal looks better every day.
Title: Greensboro puts entire campus & majority of endowment as loan collateral
Post by: hasanova on July 18, 2009, 10:46:29 AM
More sobering news from Greensboro College, as the Board of Trustees puts the entire campus and a majority of the endowment as collateral to cover loans:

http://www.news-record.com/content/2009/07/17/article/greensboro_college_puts_up_campus_to_back_loan
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 03, 2009, 02:48:20 PM
The news from Greensboro is not good>http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/division+iii/greensboro%2C+seeking+financial+stability%2C+cuts+ad+post_08_03_09_ncaa_news
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 04, 2009, 11:55:16 AM
Quote from: bballlover on August 03, 2009, 02:48:20 PM
The news from Greensboro is not good>http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/division+iii/greensboro%2C+seeking+financial+stability%2C+cuts+ad+post_08_03_09_ncaa_news
Thanks, bballlover.  This was posted earlier on the football side and on Pat Coleman's "what we're reading now".  We all wish Greensboro and former AD Kim Strable the best!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on September 25, 2009, 04:33:38 AM
Hey mongoose, 85, and the rest of the blue and silver faithful... what have you heard about new players on campus this fall?  How about unexpected absentees?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on September 26, 2009, 10:51:59 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on September 25, 2009, 04:33:38 AM
Hey mongoose, 85, and the rest of the blue and silver faithful... what have you heard about new players on campus this fall?  How about unexpected absentees?

Rumor has it the mongoose is no longer a "friend of the program" and has jumped ship and took another job elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:29 PM
Captj,

stay tuned for an interesting year. CJ will get #500!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on September 28, 2009, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on September 27, 2009, 11:44:29 PM
Captj,

stay tuned for an interesting year. CJ will get #500!!!
Since CJ only needs 13 to get to the milestone that means the team would only have to win about half their games this year.  Pretty safe assumption since CJ has only had 2 sub-.500 seasons in 25 years. 

I'm gonna miss seeing the team again this year, but I wouldn't give up the life I have now for anything.  BTW... getting married in 4 days.  Gonna rob the cradle... she is only 23 years old.  A real island princess.  Ahhhhh!!!   LIFE IS GOOD!  Narch might be a monarch, but I am the real king on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on October 07, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Early report is pretty good for CNU.   For the most part everyone is back; HUGE exception is Davon, probably Going at the point.  Steady and good decision maker, but replacing Davon's scoring is HUGE!  Whinnett will be missed also.  Good news, Conley Taylor is back.  Also, a couple of transfers with potential impact.  Baker, Green and Blasingame are all back...not a bad nucleus to build around!  Midnight Madness in about a week!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on October 08, 2009, 08:20:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Shenandoah is gradually easing itself out the door.

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=39092&CHID=3&sub=

Quote
HARRISONBURG - Shenandoah University has pined to be a member of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference for years. Now, that might be about to happen, albeit only in football.

ODAC commissioner Brad Bankston said Wednesday that the Hornets applied in mid February and were approved for an associate membership in late April, meaning Shenandoah could join the Salem-based league for football only as early as 2011.

"Procedurally, everything is in place," Bankston said by phone. "But there is still quite a bit that would have to happen for us to move forward."

From the ODAC perspective, Bankston said Shenandoah is in, but whether the Hornets make the jump depends on their ability to find a new home for their 17 other varsity sports. Shenandoah will not be an all-sports member of the ODAC because of the league's moratorium on admitting full members, and SU's current conference - Fayetteville, N.C.-based USA South - does not allow its full members to field varsity teams elsewhere.

The GSAC deal looks better every day.



Worse case, the other 17 other varsity sports could be left hanging out to dry.  Was this in the best interest of all sports at SU?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: Milby on October 08, 2009, 08:20:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 09, 2009, 11:52:21 PM
Shenandoah is gradually easing itself out the door.

http://www.dnronline.com/sports_details.php?AID=39092&CHID=3&sub=

Quote
HARRISONBURG - Shenandoah University has pined to be a member of the Old Dominion Athletic Conference for years. Now, that might be about to happen, albeit only in football.

ODAC commissioner Brad Bankston said Wednesday that the Hornets applied in mid February and were approved for an associate membership in late April, meaning Shenandoah could join the Salem-based league for football only as early as 2011.

"Procedurally, everything is in place," Bankston said by phone. "But there is still quite a bit that would have to happen for us to move forward."

From the ODAC perspective, Bankston said Shenandoah is in, but whether the Hornets make the jump depends on their ability to find a new home for their 17 other varsity sports. Shenandoah will not be an all-sports member of the ODAC because of the league's moratorium on admitting full members, and SU's current conference - Fayetteville, N.C.-based USA South - does not allow its full members to field varsity teams elsewhere.

The GSAC deal looks better every day.



Worse case, the other 17 other varsity sports could be left hanging out to dry.  Was this in the best interest of all sports at SU?
Shenandoah is an affiliate for men's lacrosse in the (non-football) Colonial States Athletic Conference.  The CSAC offers every sport that SU does, except football and Track and Field.

The USA South does not offer T&F either.  

The advantage to the ODAC is that the conference has 8 teams with SU and CUA.

It looks like SU is working its way out of the USA South Athletic Conference, and the USA South is headed towards divisions for the men.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: coachmilburn on October 10, 2009, 02:52:03 AM
Quote
Shenandoah is an affiliate for men's lacrosse in the (non-football) Colonial States Athletic Conference.  The CSAC offers every sport that SU does, except football and Track and Field.

The USA South does not offer T&F either.  

The advantage to the ODAC is that the conference has 8 teams with SU and CUA.

It looks like SU is working its way out of the USA South Athletic Conference, and the USA South is headed towards divisions for the men.



There is NO guarantee that CSAC will approve the acceptance of Shenandoah University.  If that approval does not go thru, then these 17 other sports will be hung out to dry w/o a conference.  The perception is that ODAC just took advantage of what was best for the ODAC and not SU.  

Why not approve ALL of Shenandoah University sports to join the ODAC?

Guilford (ODAC) and SU (USAS) needs to make the perfect switch ... is that not logical?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 10, 2009, 09:16:38 AM
Quote from: Milby on October 10, 2009, 02:52:03 AM
Quote
Shenandoah is an affiliate for men's lacrosse in the (non-football) Colonial States Athletic Conference.  The CSAC offers every sport that SU does, except football and Track and Field.

The USA South does not offer T&F either.  

The advantage to the ODAC is that the conference has 8 teams with SU and CUA.

It looks like SU is working its way out of the USA South Athletic Conference, and the USA South is headed towards divisions for the men.



There is NO guarantee that CSAC will approve the acceptance of Shenandoah University.  If that approval does not go thru, then these 17 other sports will be hung out to dry w/o a conference.  The perception is that ODAC just took advantage of what was best for the ODAC and not SU.  

Why not approve ALL of Shenandoah University sports to join the ODAC?

Guilford (ODAC) and SU (USAS) needs to make the perfect switch ... is that not logical?
It's only perfect if Guilford wants to be in the USASAC - but they don't.  Conference affiliation can be about a lot more than just sports compatibility and geography (look at the UAA and the SCAC).   When all things are considered, the ODAC's the right place for Guilford.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 10, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
Midnight Madness in less than a week!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on October 11, 2009, 12:32:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 10, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
Midnight Madness in less than a week!
I expect a full report.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 12, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on October 11, 2009, 12:32:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 10, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
Midnight Madness in less than a week!
I expect a full report.

HAha...will probably sound like this......took a shower at 9pm. Watched some TV. Thought about Midnight Madness....got tired, went to bed. Got up Saturday morning and tried to find a story on dailypress.com.

LOL!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on October 13, 2009, 06:09:36 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 12, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on October 11, 2009, 12:32:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 10, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
Midnight Madness in less than a week!
I expect a full report.

HAha...will probably sound like this......took a shower at 9pm. Watched some TV. Thought about Midnight Madness....got tired, went to bed. Got up Saturday morning and tried to find a story on dailypress.com.

LOL!!!!
good luck finding that story.  jennifer williams is long gone, right?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on October 13, 2009, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 12, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on October 11, 2009, 12:32:20 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 10, 2009, 07:49:41 PM
Midnight Madness in less than a week!
I expect a full report.

HAha...will probably sound like this......took a shower at 9pm. Watched some TV. Thought about Midnight Madness....got tired, went to bed. Got up Saturday morning and tried to find a story on dailypress.com.

LOL!!!!
Midnight Madness was always one of my favorites of the season.  New faces, totally unstructured play, the roar of the crowd... lots of fun.  Don't understand why you aren't totally excited.  Wish I were there to see it this year.  Wait a minute... NO I DON'T!  I went snorkeling this morning after my mango breakfast and right now I'm looking at the most perfect 23 year old brown female skin you have ever seen lounging by my pool.  YOU go to MM and give me a report... I think I will stay here.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 17, 2009, 06:16:16 PM
Attended my first Midnight Madness at CNU. It was interesting. Some parts were very good, others were a little boring. But if you were a CNU student it was a fun night. It is geared for the students and that's the way it should be. If the same number of students came out to the games, average attendance would be 2,500 or more. Freeman Center was packed and most were students. If any students are reading this - get your classmates to go to the games even though at the games they're not giving away free Buffalo Wild Wings or Chik-Fil-A for a year.

Didn't see any hoops skills.....so there's not anything I can say about what I think about the team. Looks like some nice surprises - but I want to wait until the roster is published and the season starts. I'd like to see some of those guys in action....looks like a fun and interesting year ahead beginning Nov 15th.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 21, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
the monarch roster (http://www.mumonarchs.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&) is up...you'll note the absence of marcus connor, who left for the "greener" pastures of st. andrews college (a school which may lose its accreditation in the very near future) and a d2 scholarship...how will the monarchs ever replace his scoring :)

obviously, it's going to be a different monarch team defensively, but i'm hearing good things about the potential and i'll be willing to bet the monarchs don't finish last as they're predicted in the coaches poll

as usual, really tough schedule (http://www.mumonarchs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on October 21, 2009, 11:45:15 PM
Quote from: narch on October 21, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
the monarch roster (http://www.mumonarchs.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&) is up...you'll note the absence of marcus connor, who left for the "greener" pastures of st. andrews college (a school which may lose its accreditation in the very near future) and a d2 scholarship...how will the monarchs ever replace his scoring :)[/url]

Is that the guy who was 6'11" and 98 lbs? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on October 23, 2009, 12:53:25 AM
I still haven't seen the CNU roster.  How can there be a poll when the coaches haven't seen the newcomers for the opposing teams?  Has the CNU SID dropped the ball on this and simply not gotten around to posting the roster? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 24, 2009, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on October 23, 2009, 12:53:25 AM
I still haven't seen the CNU roster.  How can there be a poll when the coaches haven't seen the newcomers for the opposing teams?  Has the CNU SID dropped the ball on this and simply not gotten around to posting the roster? 

nope. season doesn't start until November 15th. Might as well wait to see who is around by then. In d3 ya never know. Last year (or maybe year before) CNU had a guy on the cover of the game day magazine who quit the team..the game day was out for a few weeks before the new ones came out.
Plus, you know CJ doesn't ant people to know what he has until the last minute. I think it's a good thing. -

Oh - one more thing....another Captain is in the family. My baby girl is transferring from JMU in January.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on October 27, 2009, 11:19:53 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 24, 2009, 10:15:41 PM
Oh - one more thing....another Captain is in the family. My baby girl is transferring from JMU in January.
Baby?  Well, it is nice that she came to her senses and enrolled in a good school.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 28, 2009, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on October 27, 2009, 11:19:53 PM
Baby?  Well, it is nice that she came to her senses and enrolled in a good school.
seems like her senses are still a bit fogged over :)

i know you're happy, 85...mine are 6 and 4 and right now i'm hoping they both decide to stay close (they both say they'll be monarchs, at the moment, but a lot can change over the next 11 years...of course, neither is really sure what college is other than that place where we go to watch sports :))

the monarchs had their version of midnight madness last night (hoopla frenzy, as it's called) - looks like there was little hoops and lots of entertainment, but the students had fun and that's all that matters - check out the moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr2uBVfVwgQ) on the men's and women's players as they performed a choreographed dance to "thriller" - if those dance moves translate on the court, the monarchs should be alright :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 28, 2009, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: narch on October 28, 2009, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on October 27, 2009, 11:19:53 PM
Baby?  Well, it is nice that she came to her senses and enrolled in a good school.
seems like her senses are still a bit fogged over :)

i know you're happy, 85...mine are 6 and 4 and right now i'm hoping they both decide to stay close (they both say they'll be monarchs, at the moment, but a lot can change over the next 11 years...of course, neither is really sure what college is other than that place where we go to watch sports :))

the monarchs had their version of midnight madness last night (hoopla frenzy, as it's called) - looks like there was little hoops and lots of entertainment, but the students had fun and that's all that matters - check out the moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr2uBVfVwgQ) on the men's and women's players as they performed a choreographed dance to "thriller" - if those dance moves translate on the court, the monarchs should be alright :)

wow...6 and 4.....mine will soon be 21 and 19. I remember 6 and 4 very clearly. That was the year I graduated from W&M.....in some ways it seems like yesterday and in some ways it feels like such a long time ago....1995....wow....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 04, 2009, 03:25:23 AM
Let's see... Randolph Macon has already played a game (and national press here on this site) and the Captains haven't even managed to get their roster on their website?  Someone is asleep at the wheel.  Either that or they just don't care what the fans think.  Come on Wayne, or Francis, or Dave, or whoever is in charge... let the season begin!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 04, 2009, 05:57:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 04, 2009, 03:25:23 AM
Let's see... Randolph Macon has already played a game (and national press here on this site) and the Captains haven't even managed to get their roster on their website?  Someone is asleep at the wheel.  Either that or they just don't care what the fans think.  Come on Wayne, or Francis, or Dave, or whoever is in charge... let the season begin!

It's planned that way!!! A secret!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 04, 2009, 10:17:28 PM
the monarchs got hammered pretty good by athletes in action tonight...didn't see the game, but read the game story/box score - 2 monarchs that came highly touted didn't play and are struggling with some injuries - not sure what losing badly in an exhibition game means, though...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 04, 2009, 10:54:52 PM
Narch - just saw your post on the football board about the directions to Ferrum.......   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 05, 2009, 08:15:34 AM
Quote from: SU97 on November 04, 2009, 10:54:52 PM
Narch - just saw your post on the football board about the directions to Ferrum.......   ;D

gotta give credit where it's due...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 05, 2009, 10:47:53 AM
Hey Narch!  Any chance you are coming over to Maryville on the 15th?  There is a lot of optimism here for the Scots this year, but then again there always is before the season starts....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 05, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 05, 2009, 10:47:53 AM
Hey Narch!  Any chance you are coming over to Maryville on the 15th?  There is a lot of optimism here for the Scots this year, but then again there always is before the season starts....
umm...snowball, hades...that's a long trip :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 07, 2009, 11:04:49 AM
CNU starts play a week from tomorrow. Looking forward to the release fo the secret roster. I went to Midnight Madness. I saw size. I hope when the season starts I see a replacement for Davon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 07, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 07, 2009, 11:04:49 AM
CNU starts play a week from tomorrow. Looking forward to the release fo the secret roster. I went to Midnight Madness. I saw size. I hope when the season starts I see a replacement for Davon.
We would be incredibly lucky to get someone as good as Davon.  He was the best PG I have seen at CNU for a very long time and we have had way more than our share of great ones.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 07, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 07, 2009, 11:04:49 AM
CNU starts play a week from tomorrow. Looking forward to the release fo the secret roster.
Secret roster, indeed.  Could it be that CJ has so many new studs in practice that he doesn't know who will make the team?  Most years we carry a couple players fewer than most visiting teams so maybe CJ doesn't like big rosters.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 07, 2009, 04:57:10 PM
Only a week to go...keep eye out for roster and media guide....soon
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 10, 2009, 05:25:18 PM
Opening game approaches and still no roster >:(.  Is anyone sure that we are even going to have a team this year :-\?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 12, 2009, 03:26:32 AM
Thank you to all of the USASAC teams EXCEPT CNU for getting your rosters on your websites.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 12, 2009, 01:39:39 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 12, 2009, 03:26:32 AM
Thank you to all of the USASAC teams EXCEPT CNU for getting your rosters on your websites.

captj - may i remind you...
QuoteWarm tropical breezes, mango rum punch, white sand, brown female skin... Moalboal.  It doesn't get any better than this!
what matter is a roster when you've got that? :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 12, 2009, 05:09:50 PM
narch -

When you live the simple life I do it is hard to give up some of your favorite American activities and interests.  I only "work" about 3-4 hours per day and I need something other than swimming, fishing, diving, drinking, and enjoying certain other island pleasures with my 23 year old new bride (if you know what I mean).   You know me; I can crunch stats with the best of them and I have been looking forward to doing just that in preparation for the season that is almost upon us.  You guys who are fed up with me are in for a rough time this season.  I will probably be on this board more than ever.  But you're right; for now I should just relax and have another slice of fresh mango with my coffee.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 14, 2009, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 10, 2009, 05:25:18 PM
Opening game approaches and still no roster >:(.  Is anyone sure that we are even going to have a team this year :-\?

I bet Monday - day after frst game of year..... the website will have roster and media guide
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 14, 2009, 08:31:24 PM
You're probably right since the game is less than a day away.  Do you think that CJ the AD would allow this from his other coaches?  The women's info has been up for a while.  I think it's very bush league.  Even with the problems that GC is having they still found the resources to get their website up to date.  Shame, shame, shame.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 14, 2009, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 14, 2009, 08:31:24 PM
You're probably right since the game is less than a day away.  Do you think that CJ the AD would allow this from his other coaches?  The women's info has been up for a while.  I think it's very bush league.  Even with the problems that GC is having they still found the resources to get their website up to date.  Shame, shame, shame.

Actually, I think the team so good, CJ doesn't want to tip his hand until he absolutely has to!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 15, 2009, 03:50:19 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 14, 2009, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 14, 2009, 08:31:24 PM
You're probably right since the game is less than a day away.  Do you think that CJ the AD would allow this from his other coaches?  The women's info has been up for a while.  I think it's very bush league.  Even with the problems that GC is having they still found the resources to get their website up to date.  Shame, shame, shame.

Actually, I think the team so good, CJ doesn't want to tip his hand until he absolutely has to!
Absurd.  I don't think that surprising Roanoke is that important.  What's he going to do, close the doors and eschew all forms of media until conference time?  And if the team is that good shouldn't he be trumpeting that to generate support.  I think it might be just the opposite.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 15, 2009, 06:11:56 AM
Tip off at 4PM EST, which is 5AM Monday where I am.  Should I wake early to listen to FT?  Nahhh... not even sure we really have a team this year.  I'm sleeping late.  We had a Pacman Party today and the fun is just beginning to wind down.  Too many San Miguel beers.  Great fight though if you're not from Puerto Rico.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 16, 2009, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 14, 2009, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 14, 2009, 08:31:24 PM
You're probably right since the game is less than a day away.  Do you think that CJ the AD would allow this from his other coaches?  The women's info has been up for a while.  I think it's very bush league.  Even with the problems that GC is having they still found the resources to get their website up to date.  Shame, shame, shame.

Actually, I think the team so good, CJ doesn't want to tip his hand until he absolutely has to!
I didn't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 16, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
It's finally Hoops season!  SU tips off tonight against Frostburg at home, always a good game. Hope to see what the Hornets have this year, not so sure on what new talent the coaches brought in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 16, 2009, 07:41:57 PM
Crappy start for CNU....up by 16 in the second half only to lose by 1.  What's next, another loss to VWC?  That would make it something like eight in a row....geez, I miss the old days in Ratcliffe.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 16, 2009, 09:45:01 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 16, 2009, 07:41:57 PM
Crappy start for CNU....up by 16 in the second half only to lose by 1.  What's next, another loss to VWC?  That would make it something like eight in a row....geez, I miss the old days in Ratcliffe.


You got that right, Swish.  This seems like ModernCaptains version 7.0.  More of the same.  What happened to the surprise, secret lineup?  Not a surprise at all.  All five had previouly started for the Captains.  Did any newcomers make a substantial contribution?  The only surprise to me, and a good one, was the play of Going.

I remember discussions earlier on this board about the toughest gym to play in for visiting teams.  IMHO, Ratcliffe seemed even tougher than the Freeman Center.  Rowdy and loud.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 16, 2009, 10:16:23 PM
Ouch.  SU losses in OT to Frostburg and goes 0-for-a-billion from the foul line.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 16, 2009, 10:59:36 PM
USASAC is 0-6 collectively to start the season.  Thank God AU hasn't played yet.  Go COugars!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 17, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 16, 2009, 10:59:36 PM
USASAC is 0-6 collectively to start the season.  Thank God AU hasn't played yet.  Go COugars!
Monarchs go to Guilford tonight - wish I could be there!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 17, 2009, 10:02:43 PM
Definitely seemed like a little gamesmanship on the part of CJ, as the men's roster was posted yesterday, I believe.  Pretty senseless really, since 4 of the 5 starters saw significant playing time last year.  Conley Taylor is the real deal and I look forward to watching him play, but the other newcomers didn't play or sound like much at all.

The Ratcliffe I remember was a lot harder to play in for opposing teams.  Honestly, it seems like everyone shoots the lights out at the Freeman Center....must be that vaunted CNU defense.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 17, 2009, 10:43:21 PM
Methodist falls at Guilford tonight, 91-72.  I could listen on the net from my hotel in Raleigh, but the video feed was subpar.  The Quakers were up by 25 in the 2nd and won the battle of the boards, 49-32.  GC starts the season 1-0, while MU falls to 0-2.  The Quakers play Greenboro at the Coliseum tomorrow night - women at 6 and men at 8.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 18, 2009, 02:21:35 PM
I'm too lazy to do the research...CaptJ can do it since he doesn't have a job.

What is CNU's winning percentage in the Freeman? Radcliffe?

It's one loss- quit whinning! The mango rum slurpees are making you soft.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 18, 2009, 05:28:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 18, 2009, 02:21:35 PM
I'm too lazy to do the research...CaptJ can do it since he doesn't have a job.

What is CNU's winning percentage in the Freeman? Radcliffe?

It's one loss- quit whinning! The mango rum slurpees are making you soft.  :D
I do have a job.  It might only require 3-4 hours of work per day, but it's a job.  Plus, I have a little Captain to get ready for in about a month.  If you want to know those winning percentages just buy a program at the first home game in a week or so.  Either that or wait for the 09-10 media guide to be released.  Hmmmm... maybe the program idea might be better.

Whining?  I posted FOUR words.

Soft?  Hahahahaha.  Wrong on that one too buddy.  I'm now 6'-3" and 210 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal.  Island living suits me.  Almost no processed food and regular exercise does a Captain good.  Maybe I should start thinking again about CNU grad school and using my remaining eligibility.  I wonder if I can throw one down like I used to 30 years ago.  If not I can always bounce a few in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
Guilford jumped out to 30 28-0 and 40-3 leads over Greensboro at the Coliseum tonight before the subs finished the game, 76-49.  GCQ moves to 2-0 and GCP falls to 0-2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 18, 2009, 11:34:44 PM
When did EMU become the "Runnin Royals"?


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on November 18, 2009, 11:37:49 PM
SU drops to 0-2 with an 87-81 loss to EMU.  Kline seems to be playing well, he had 19 pts and 8 boards.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 19, 2009, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: hasanova on November 18, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
Guilford jumped out to 30-0 and 40-3 leads over Greensboro.
:o ??? :-[ :-\ :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2009, 09:18:59 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 19, 2009, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: hasanova on November 18, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
Guilford jumped out to 30-0 and 40-3 leads over Greensboro.
:o ??? :-[ :-\ :'(
Yeah, I know what you mean.  How many games have you ever seen start like that?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 19, 2009, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 18, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
Guilford jumped out to 30-0 and 40-3 leads over Greensboro at the Coliseum tonight before the subs finished the game, 76-49.  GCQ moves to 2-0 and GCP falls to 0-2.
minor technicality, but according to the box score, it was a 28-0 lead :)

that deserves a WOW!, though...i wonder what the record is for most unanswered points scored to start a game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 19, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Did some math for the CNU old-timers

Record at Radcliffe - 306-95  76.3%
Record at Freeman -120-31  79.5%

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2009, 05:52:49 PM
Quote from: narch on November 19, 2009, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 18, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
Guilford jumped out to 30-0 and 40-3 leads over Greensboro at the Coliseum tonight before the subs finished the game, 76-49.  GCQ moves to 2-0 and GCP falls to 0-2.
minor technicality, but according to the box score, it was a 28-0 lead :)

that deserves a WOW!, though...i wonder what the record is for most unanswered points scored to start a game?
You're right, narch.  I hadn't looked at the box - I just repeated what one of the announcers said in his postgame recap.  I wasn't able to listen to the game until the second half.  Thanks.

I don't know about a college game, but there's always the infamous 100-0 girls HS game in Texas a short time ago.  I can't remember it in my lifetime for men's college basketball - especially for teams playing in the same division.

My first look in person will be Tuesday night when Averett comes to Ragan-Brown.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 19, 2009, 09:24:09 PM
Get back to me after 250 more games.  ;)

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2009, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: SU97 on November 18, 2009, 11:34:44 PM
When did EMU become the "Runnin Royals"?

Not sure, but I think I noticed "Runnin' Royals" on their jerseys for about the past two seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2009, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: Swish3 on November 19, 2009, 09:24:09 PM
Get back to me after 250 more games.  ;)

GO CAPS!

Ok - remind me in ten years!! HAHA - oh wait home games.......17 years??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
the monarchs fall to 0-3 with an 83-58 loss to division 1 gardner-webb (who beat kentucky 84-68 in 2007)...the 'dogs sure didn't call off the dogs, with 4 of their starters getting 28+ minutes...mu was down by 10 at halftime, 36-26 - mu got a balanced scoring effort led by carnes with 12 and fulp with 11

gwu might have the most fraudulent 3-0 record in d1, with wins over 2 d3's (mu and covenant) and a d2 (montreat)...they get carolina next, though...

mu might have the most difficult 0-3 in the country with a d1, the #3 team in the country (guilford) and maryville, who should be a top 25 team, in my book

oglethorpe on sunday...they're only in the other's receiving votes section of the d3hoops.com top 25 :)

...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger...i hope
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 21, 2009, 11:57:12 PM
Quote from: narch on November 21, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
the monarchs fall to 0-3 with an 83-58 loss to division 1 gardner-webb (who beat kentucky 84-68 in 2007)...the 'dogs sure didn't call off the dogs, with 4 of their starters getting 28+ minutes...mu was down by 10 at halftime, 36-26 - mu got a balanced scoring effort led by carnes with 12 and fulp with 11

gwu might have the most fraudulent 3-0 record in d1, with wins over 2 d3's (mu and covenant) and a d2 (montreat)...they get carolina next, though...

mu might have the most difficult 0-3 in the country with a d1, the #3 team in the country (guilford) and maryville, who should be a top 25 team, in my book

oglethorpe on sunday...they're only in the other's receiving votes section of the d3hoops.com top 25 :)

...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger...i hope
Hey, narch  - I noticed the rather lopsided score versus Maryville, but wasn't MU shorthanded in that game?  With that said, I think Maryville's a good team - and I've circled that game on the Quakers' schedule!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on November 22, 2009, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 19, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Did some math for the CNU old-timers

Record at Radcliffe - 306-95  76.3%
Record at Freeman -120-31  79.5%



after seeing many a game in radcliffe over the years - those numbers are a little astonishing.

worked many a sellout in that gym and when it sold out - your head hurt for days after that game :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2009, 08:53:58 PM
0-4 after an 87-85 OT loss on the road to an oglethorpe team that is supposed to be pretty good (still early...who knows)...looks like the monarchs might be coming around - gotta get someone who will crash the boards hard, as mu got out-rebounded by a WIDE magin - carnes gets 25 and fulp scores 17

piedmont at home on saturday...maybe a little home cooking will get the boys in the "w" column
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 22, 2009, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: narch on November 22, 2009, 08:53:58 PM
0-4 after an 87-85 OT loss on the road to an oglethorpe team that is supposed to be pretty good (still early...who knows)...looks like the monarchs might be coming around - gotta get someone who will crash the boards hard, as mu got out-rebounded by a WIDE magin - carnes gets 25 and fulp scores 17

piedmont at home on saturday...maybe a little home cooking will get the boys in the "w" column
Good luck against the Lions, narch.  I saw the video feed versus Guilford and I think Methodist has talent and promise.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 23, 2009, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: nnasid on November 22, 2009, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 19, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Did some math for the CNU old-timers

Record at Radcliffe - 306-95  76.3%
Record at Freeman -120-31  79.5%



after seeing many a game in radcliffe over the years - those numbers are a little astonishing.

worked many a sellout in that gym and when it sold out - your head hurt for days after that game :)


I welcome an audit. I was using a year old media guide....ahem CNU!!......and then I had to actually go to d3hoops.com and look at the schedule and use my fingers.....and toes......and I was drinking beer!

Anyone insterested...on the CNUsports.com website if you click on the roster, some bios are available. Media guide should be ready soon, since first home game is tomorrow night. I know the staff is short handed and the Field Hockey, Volleyball, women's soccer, and men's soccer teams were all in post season play. Them VB team made it to sweet 16. Men's soccer to elite 8. I think FH went to sweet 16 as well......so the staff has been quite busy trying to cover those games the past few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 23, 2009, 09:08:57 AM
Narch,you have a young team & have had a tough early schedule.Hope things turn around for them. Starting Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 23, 2009, 09:55:51 PM
I was searching online for info about Americans playing ball here in the Philippines and found the following article - http://www.newsflash.org/2002/05/sp/sp001944.htm

There are things her that I had no idea about.  I'm not sure how to take the part about "Strothers was approached by Christopher Newport College assistant basketball coach Roland Ross who offered a scholarship to play for the school."  I think the writer assumed that ALL college teams in the US offers scholarships.  Anyway, take a look.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 08:40:22 PM
This is getting depressing.  Captains down by 14 and seem to be allergic to rebounding.  Down 19-39 in rebounds.  They are being dominated on the boards by a smaller Marlins team.  We had a 5 point lead with 30 seconds remaining in the first half but then just gave up, giving up the lead.  Second half all Marlins. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 08:58:26 PM
23 offensive rebounds by the Marlins and there is over 6 minutes remaining.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 09:08:38 PM
Conley Taylor just had a 1 on 4 "fast break" on the Marlins.  Of course he was stopped.  Two questions... why didn't he wait for his teammates and where were his teammates?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 09:16:15 PM
Another loss to Va. Wesleyan.  I "watched" this one through the eyes and words of the CNU announcers but it was obvious that the Captains were looking forward to their turkey and stuffing on Thursday.  Very weak effort.  You would think that after a tough, close loss to open the season they would play with a little intensity.  Could it be that they were convinced that they couldn't beat these guys?  I hope not.  For 20 minutes and 30 seconds of this game they were pathetic.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 09:29:25 PM
Starters Going, Taylor and Baker combine for 6 points in 68 minutes.  Xavier Parham played a decent game with 8 off the bench.  Those starters should be looking over their shoulders. 

Captains are 1 of 16 from 3-point range.  6%!!!  BOUNCE THEM IN GUYS!

Outrebounded by 20.  We are a much bigger team and they just killed us on the glass.

To add injury to insult, Blasingame turned his ankle.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
I have been a CJ supporter for a very long time but I am finding it very difficult to stay on that bandwagon.  Maybe it's because we have now lost EIGHT STRAIGHT YEARS to Va. Wesleyan.  I think it is time for CJ the Athletic Director to evaluate the performance of CJ the Head Basketball Coach.  Let's face it, in spite of our facility advantage (and others) he isn't even the best coach in his very own neighborhood.  He is either being out-recruited or out-coached VERY convincingly by the Marlin's Macedo. 

I know that this is just the second game of the year and that there is a lot of hoops yet to be played but I am not satisfied being a pretty good team in a weak conference.  It seems that things that worked for CJ in the past just aren't working any more.

Maybe we need a fresh perspective and effort. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 24, 2009, 10:24:04 PM
Guilford over Averett tonight in Greensboro, 81-56.  AU led 2-0 and 5-3, but otherwise it was all Quakers.  It was tight until 17-16 GC and then the Quakers went on a run to open up a 37-22 halftime advantage.  The lead was 31 in the second at 77-46 before the freshmen and sophomores finished it out.

Huge game for Sanborn with 19 points and 18 rebounds.  Tyler was 9/12 from the floor while Henson and Bonner had off nights shooting.  I think Clay had 12 and Rhett 8, but Gabriel Lowder chipped in 14 off the bench.  As you might expect, the Quakers won the boards by a 51-39 margin.

Pagentine and Hart with 11 and 9, respectively, for AU, but all in all the Cougars were outmanned tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 10:47:11 PM
More thoughts from looking at the box score -

Paul Going played 25 minutes and attempted ONE SHOT (and missed it).  He never made it to the free throw line so... ZERO POINTS.  Two assists and two turnovers.  NO rebounds, steals or blocks.  And oh yeah, NO personal fouls also.  IMHO, if you play 25 minutes and don't commit a single personal foul, you aren't playing hard enough.  IS PARHAM A POINT GUARD?

Theo Baker was 1 of 10 for 2 points.  Zero 3-pointers in 5 attempts.  Also never made it to the free throw line.

Mike Green had his usual solid game with 22/11 but it really hurt when he missed a dunk when down by 10 and time enough on the clock to make a comeback.  Sometimes style points arent worth going for.

Blasingame statistically solid with 14/8 but the announcers were all over him a couple times for lack of effort.  Maybe the turned ankle was the reason why.  I'm still a huge 'game fan.

Here is the big one... we had 17 defensive rebounds and they had 23 offensive rebounds.  So, under their glass we were outrebounded 23-17.  Yikes.  And we were beaten under our own boards as well,
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 24, 2009, 10:51:17 PM
I was just looking at the USASAC standings and noticed an overall 4-23 record.  Four teams have one win each and three are yet to break into the win column.  Is this just a really bad start or is it going to be a down year for the league?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 11:07:24 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 24, 2009, 10:51:17 PM
I was just looking at the USASAC standings and noticed an overall 4-23 record.  Four teams have one win each and three are yet to break into the win column.  Is this just a really bad start or is it going to be a down year for the league?
I think it speaks for itself.  There are some very good teams sprinkled among those losses but you can't overlook that we've won less than 15% of our games.  When was the last time that a USASAC team won a NCAA tournament game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 24, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 11:07:24 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 24, 2009, 10:51:17 PM
I was just looking at the USASAC standings and noticed an overall 4-23 record.  Four teams have one win each and three are yet to break into the win column.  Is this just a really bad start or is it going to be a down year for the league?
I think it speaks for itself.  There are some very good teams sprinkled among those losses but you can't overlook that we've won less than 15% of our games.  When was the last time that a USASAC team won a NCAA tournament game?
Well, Averett beat Centre last March - but a lot of talent on that team graduated (especially Rumley).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 11:31:20 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 24, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 24, 2009, 11:07:24 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 24, 2009, 10:51:17 PM
I was just looking at the USASAC standings and noticed an overall 4-23 record.  Four teams have one win each and three are yet to break into the win column.  Is this just a really bad start or is it going to be a down year for the league?
I think it speaks for itself.  There are some very good teams sprinkled among those losses but you can't overlook that we've won less than 15% of our games.  When was the last time that a USASAC team won a NCAA tournament game?
Well, Averett beat Centre last March - but a lot of talent on that team graduated (especially Rumley).
Yeah, that is true.  How quickly one forgets.  But to find another win you have to go back to the 00-01 CNU team that made it to the Elite-8.  Those days are long gone. :'(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
Nah - it's all part of my plan! Makes it look like CNU is going to have a rough year. Then, shabam! 13 wins in a row!! I love it when a plan comes together!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 25, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 25, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
Nah - it's all part of my plan! Makes it look like CNU is going to have a rough year. Then, shabam! 13 wins in a row!! I love it when a plan comes together!
I wouldn't be hitting the panic button so soon if it weren't for one thing.  WE HAVE LOST TO VWC EIGHT YEARS IN A ROW!  Think about that just for a moment.  I don't think we have that kind of record against Maryland Bible.  And once again, CJ isn't even the best coach in the Hampton Roads area.  That would be Macedo.  I'm sorry, Captains fans, but this losing streak to VWC has me riled.  I know what the REAL Christopher Newport would say about CJ.  "Cut off his ears."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 25, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 25, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
Then, shabam! 13 wins in a row!!

If that's going to happen it will be in conference play and I'm very doubtful that it is possible.  It is certainly unlikely.  No longer should we accept being good in a weak conference.  Maybe I'm just irritated because I will be having fish and rice for Thanksgiving dinner today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 25, 2009, 05:50:47 PM
Here is another thing that I noticed in the stats.  The total minutes for all 3 of our big guys (Blasingame 34 + Green 35 + Preston 11) equals 80 minutes.  That is TWO FULL TIME PLAYERS.  That means that at no time in this game did CJ have 3 big players on the court.  We get dominated on the glass in the first half (31-12) and you don't try something else?!  In the first half they had more offensive rebounds (14) than we had total rebounds (12).  Where was Brian Herrman?  I thought he would be a starter this year and he didn't even get off the bench in this one?  Why did we have to stay with a small lineup when it was obviously not working?  News flash to CJ; Theo Baker is NOT going to get rebounds.  He might be 6-3 but he plays 6-0.  A good coach sees what works and what doesn't and makes adjustments.  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.  If CJ continues to be the CNU coach we will have the same results again and again. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on November 25, 2009, 06:33:49 PM
I was at the game last night.  Some thoughts:

1 of 16 from 3-point range -- ain't gonna cut it.   Out rebounded by 20 -- ain't gonna cut it.

Theo 2-16 FG and 1-9 from 3 in first two games.   We need his scoring and definitely looked like he was pressing last night.   Theo is WAY too good of a shooter for this to continue.  Don't think, just shoot!

Conley, rough night, but believe he'll be fine.  Only his second game back.  Brings a toughness to the game—much needed!

Paul and Xavier.  I'm really not surprised that Paul is having some growing pains at the point.  He did a good job of setting up and executing the offense.  I was surprised he only had two assist.  Xavier will be a GREAT point guard.  Quick (understatement) and talented, but a little out of control at times.  Once he learns to run the "O" he'll be  fantastic!

Green always finds a way to score and is relentless on the offensive glass.  My only beef with Mike is he needs to block out on the defensive boards.  Hmmmm...8 offensive and ONLY 3 defensive!

Blasingame needs to shoot more.  Only shot 7 times made 5—some sweet post moves.  A career 60% shooter--come on--shoot, shoot and shoot!    Stats said 2 blocked shots, he had two in the first five minutes, what happened to the rest?  I believe he does pace himself a little—however, he logs a lot of minutes for a 6'8" dude. 

CaptJ -- Hermann and Briggs did not dress out last night. 

It was good to see Russell on the court.  He really had it going last year before he left the team.  Shooting lights out and lock-down defense--let's hope he finds that magic again.  Jury is still out on the rest of the bench. 

I was there, so don't know what the announcers were saying.  Did hear the post game.  I believe CJ is competitive as ever.  This is still an 18, 19 game winner.  It'll be interesting (for sure) to see how they jell. 


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 25, 2009, 09:30:17 PM
Thanks for the insight, bubba.  Your thoughts seem to be consistent with what I heard on the radio broadcast.  I agree that we need to get 'game more involved offensively, especially in a game where his defender is smaller.  FT made similar comments on the broadcast.  He thought that the 2" shorter defender couldn't stop him. 

Players in street clothes... that sucks.  Both Herrmann and Briggs got minutes against Roanoke (16 & 9 respectively).  What is wrong with them?  Anyone?  We sure could have used some big bodies.  What about Kenny Reid?  Is he playing?  He is on the roster and got significant minutes in years past.  He might be just 6-3 but he plays bigger, and tough.  Are Farris and Clarkson just not ready?

I am with you on Russell.  He has great skills and should be a very big contributer to this team. 

I'm not as positive as you are on the prospects of the team this year, and definitely not on the CJ bandwagon any more.  18-19 wins?  I don't think so.  That would be great but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 25, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Ok....Now that I've slowed down a little. I'm not in panic mode yet. You've got a team with a lot of transfers plus guys like Reid and Taylor who didn't play last year.

I was very impressed with Xavier Parham. Very very impressed. Let's see how he develops. He will be the starting pg very soon.

Blasingame messed up his ankle in the first half and wsn't the same in the second half.

Taylor just couldn't get the ball to fall in the hole. I tell you what though, his competitive spirit was back last night. I remember the last season he played, at times he just didn't seem to care. He cared last night. Tough guy. It's only his second game in 2 years.

Theo - Hasn't had the same kind of impact since his freshman year. Even though his stats show he scored more per game last year, his shooting % from 3 and FT go down each year. I'm thinking before too long Capin may take his spot. Capin had a few shots roll half way in, then out. He seemed very comfortable on the floor as far as knowing what's going on.

Not sure what was going on with Hermann.

They just need to get some wins and their confidence up and get the new guys in the game to gain some chemistry. 18-19 wins? Easily!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on November 25, 2009, 11:09:19 PM
Capt don't know the deal with Hermann and Briggs, do know Reid left the team and agree could have used his toughness last night.  I believe the Caps started 5-5 last year--so I'm still hoping this team will come together.  If I have one beef with CJ it's the massive substitution patterns--4 and sometimes 5 nonstarters on the court.  Not to bad against the Marlins, but I think it cost us a couple of games last year and the Roanoke game this year.  Seems to work well for Averett...hmmmm.....but not for the Caps. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 26, 2009, 03:27:54 AM
I am glad you guys are still so enthusiastic.  I just wish that we didn't keep losing to VWC.  That burns my lubot!  Those who speak Cebuano will know what I said.  I use some of the ODAC schools as a barometer for how we are doing and we just keep losing.  We should be better, it's as simple as that.  We have so many advantages.  If we didn't I wouldn't have such high expectations.  Oh well, gotta go.  I'll be back on the www listening to the game on Friday night.  Actually, that's Saturday morning here.  Hoops and coffee.  And fresh fruit.  I think I will go for a swim now.  Cya guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 27, 2009, 09:09:47 PM
Captains (1-2) got a 91-69 win against Maine Presque Isle (0-3).  In the post-game interview CJ said if we play tomorrow against Southern Virginia like we played tonight, we will not win.  This mismatch hasn't impressed me.  A win tomorrow would.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 27, 2009, 11:04:07 PM
CJ has to say things like that. Can't have your guys thinking they can win just by walking on the floor. What I liked about this game is that shots were actually falling in, instead of rolling in and out like the previous game. It was a mismatch, but it was what CNU needed. The guys on the bench were really into it when the new guys were in...especially when the freshman slammed one in!

Interesting change in starting line up as Theo sat and Russel started. Hermann will be back for Thursday's game.

I will be more impressed with a win tomorrow night, too. But I will have to check the score - not gonna make the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on November 28, 2009, 10:51:15 AM
Agree,  win tonight would be nice.  Little painful to watch at times last night.  There were a couple of bright spots.  CJ said on his post game show Clarkson had to many upper classman playing in front of him.  Who?  Kid moves well and definitely has some hops, surprised we haven't seen him sooner.   

Nice to see Theo pop a couple threes—he looked much more comfortable last night.  Hopefully will help his confidence.   

CNU does NOT rebound well out of a zone—AT ALL!  Why is Blasingame EVER above the top of the key on offense.  Free throw line OK...but that's it! 

Our other bigs (besides Blasingame/Green) need to play....well....big. 

Solid game by Going and Taylor.  Still little concerned about the bench.  They had a lull last night, stuck on 73 it seemed forever, then ran off 5 in a row after a CJ timeout. 

Hopefully they'll put together a solid 40 minutes tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 28, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 27, 2009, 11:04:07 PM
Interesting change in starting line up as Theo sat and Russel started.

Great!  Maybe he will be better off the bench.  You know, when he wa a hotshot freshman I thought he was going to be another jeremy Romeo.  Hahahah... not even close.  Jeremy matured and improved each year.  Theo seems to have slipped a little every year.  I hope this year is the exception to that. 

It makes me wonder what the offseason is like for our guys, and for other teams and hoops players in general.  I admit that I know nothing.  Anyone have info on what they do to improve their skills the other 8 months?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 28, 2009, 09:26:50 PM
William and Mary beat Wake Forest on the road by ten (78-68).  Hmmmm.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 28, 2009, 09:31:13 PM
Captains avoid a first ever loss to SoVa by winning in OT.  We could have easily lost this game had the ball bounced just a little differently.  I'm just not impressed with this team.  I think that in games like this on the road we will end up with a loss. 

We had great starts each half but couldn't hold the lead each time.  Surprisingly, what kept us in this one was REBOUNDING.  B'game with an outstanding effort with 15/14.  Mike Green with 25/10.

What happened to our starting PG?  Going, Going... GONE!

Hey, we have Maryland Bible on the schedule next!  Can't miss that one!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on November 29, 2009, 11:27:38 AM
Excellent, excellent game.  Fun to watch.  If we had shot that well against Va Wes I believe it would have been a win....lol....maybe.    There was still that rebounding thing. 

The good.  Russell and Baker at the two and three—last night lethal.  Theo played a great game—5-7 from the field, 2-2 3-pointers, 5 rebs,  0 TOs and 4 steals!  Josh 7-13 from the field, 4-9 3-pointers and HUGE from the FT line down the stretch.   Blasingame and Green continue to produce and both were solid.  Xavier had another very solid game—kid is cocky and quick.  I swear I saw him smirk at the SoVa defender a couple of times—to funny.   Going still had 4 assist/0 TOs in 17 minutes.  He came back in late in the 1st half and did a good job of settling the team down.   It's a very good thing to have two solid quarterbacks.   Capin gave some good minutes. 

The bad.  Perimeter defense.  SoVa had no interior offense.  Nada, none.   Our  perimeter man-to-man needs to improve.   We're OK in the 1-3-1 and horrible in the 3-2, especially rebounding. 

The ugly.  Happened in Roanoke and against SoVa, second team cannot maintain a lead.  Looked like the Phoenix  Suns, NO one within 15' of the basket.    Preston is a face up player with a nice stroke.  He plays more like a three than a four.  Briggs also, not a back to basket player.   Good size, needs to use it.  Green and Blasingame are our only two back to basket players.  It was VERY noticeable when they were both out.  To his credit CJ stuck with his two big men in the second half.  Blasingame got a MUCH needed rest for about two minutes and thought Mike was gonna loose it when CJ took him out.  But he was on the bench for  60 secs.    He logged 39 minutes, Blasingame 37.  That's a lot to ask of our bigs.  Hopefully our second unit will pick it up as they get a little more experience.

Referees—HORRIBLE!!!  Same Napoleon complex dude that worked the USA South championship game.  Some reason he thinks he has to manage the game.  It's NOT about you, it's about the kids.  One of the least personable and cockiest ref s I EVER seen. 

A very good test for CNU.  SoVA is good and  was a well coached team.  If they had any interior offense...wow.    CNU stepped up when they had too.  It was definitely an entertaining game!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 29, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
CJ's personnel decisions at the end of the game were very telling.  As crunch time hit with 5 minutes to go, CJ went with his trusted veterans and Xavier.  The big five (Green, Josh, Mark, Theo and Xavier) then played the entire OT.  I wouldn't be surprised to see this become the starting line up on Thursday.  Theo looks ready to return to the starting line up and Josh is not ready to sit.  Should get interesting.

CJ needs to solve the bench problem.  In the first 4 games, the above five have played 57% of the minutes and have produced 70% of the points and grabbed 65% of the rebounds.  The other guys are just not producing.  FG stats for the 4 games tell the story (Omar 0-11, Preston 2-14, Capin 5-23, Going 6-15 and Conley 14-40).  The bench has to score and rebound for CNU to hold leads.  CNU has led in all 4 games and let 3 out of 4 leads slip away.

Maybe it's time to let the freshman play a bigger role.  Xavier is clearly the quickest guard and seems to make things happen.  I can live with him running the team knowing the Going can come in to settle things if necessary.  Xavier will make mistakes but better to err on the aggressive side.  Clarkson looks like a young Mike Green.  7 points in 7 minutes against a weak team may not say much but he looks like he has an inside and outside game and appears to be a leaper.  He did hit 3-4 from the field and got to the line on a slash to the basket from the corner.  Rather than have him sit all season watching Theo, Josh and Hermann get the minutes, maybe CJ should think about using him to spell Green occasionally and provide some scoring/rebounding off the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 29, 2009, 06:41:35 PM
CNUHoops2010 - Good observations, you should go ahead and register as a full time poster.  God knows we need more CNU fans on this board.   ::)  Seriously though dude, why such a loooong name?  Can we abbreviate it to hoops10?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 29, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
I like the idea of promoting Parham to starting PG a lot.  It is better to have him gain experience now before conference schedule begins.  I'm just not confident that Going can get it done as a starter.  Let him spell Parham and provide a settling influence if that's needed (if he is really able to do that).  Imagine how great it would be to have a second consecutive 4-year starter at PG. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 01, 2009, 07:17:32 AM
Introducing the starting lineup for the 2027-28 Christopher Newport Captains... at point guard, a 6-3 freshman from Moalboal, Philippines... Ryan CaptJ!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2009, 10:09:51 AM
Guilford at NCWC tomorrow night.  The Bishops haven't played as well as I thought they would so far - hope this isn't a trap game for the Quakers!  Wesleyan put a beat down on GC in Greensboro last December.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 01, 2009, 07:07:46 PM
Congrats CaptJ...we'll be looking for Ryan in a few years.  All the best. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 01, 2009, 09:09:58 PM
I thought I would include a random post to break up CNUFEST09.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 01, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
Things are not looking good for the USASAC this year...  we don't even have a single team above .500? This isn't quite what I had in mind when wishing for "parity" in the league.  

SU Hoops seem to have implemented the Wing-T offense from the football team. Not a good start and, if history has shown us in conference play, it isn't going to get any easier for SU from here. The last few years SU has had strong starts and then hit the wall when it comes to confernece play. Maybe the way to look at it (wishful thinking) is that SU might fare better with a "down year" for the conference as a whole. Or maybe not.

The Hornets host SoVa tomorrow night and (after reading the comments from the CNU faithful) now I'm wondering if SU is staring at a 1-6 start. Good luck to SU tomorrow, get a win at home!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2009, 11:53:30 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 01, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
Things are not looking good for the USASAC this year...  we don't even have a single team above .500? This isn't quite what I had in mind when wishing for "parity" in the league.  
Well, by the end of February, someone will have to win at least six this year!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2009, 01:52:06 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 29, 2009, 06:41:35 PM
CNUHoops2010 - Good observations, you should go ahead and register as a full time poster. 

Was registered and then deleted himself/herself after that post. Perhaps didn't read the Terms of Service that tell posters their email addresses are on their profile and you cannot turn them off.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 02, 2009, 05:34:39 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2009, 01:52:06 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 29, 2009, 06:41:35 PM
CNUHoops2010 - Good observations, you should go ahead and register as a full time poster. 

Was registered and then deleted himself/herself after that post. Perhaps didn't read the Terms of Service that tell posters their email addresses are on their profile and you cannot turn them off.
Ahhhh... so that was it.  Couldn't or wouldn't stand up to the whole accountability thing, huh?  I wonder why he doesn't just create a new, identity-ambiguous e-mail address like mine.  Only a few posters on this board know who CaptJ / tallguy77777 really is. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 02, 2009, 05:39:19 AM
Quote from: cnububba on December 01, 2009, 07:07:46 PM
Congrats CaptJ...we'll be looking for Ryan in a few years.  All the best. 
Thanks, bubba.  Most people would be surprised to learn that the national sport in the Philippines is basketball.  They are hoops crazy here.  If we stay here he will definitely be more likely to participate in basketball than something like soccer or baseball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 02, 2009, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 02, 2009, 05:39:19 AM
Quote from: cnububba on December 01, 2009, 07:07:46 PM
Congrats CaptJ...we'll be looking for Ryan in a few years.  All the best. 
Thanks, bubba.  Most people would be surprised to learn that the national sport in the Philippines is basketball.  They are hoops crazy here.  If we stay here he will definitely be more likely to participate in basketball than something like soccer or baseball.
My congratulations as well, CaptJ.  We live vicariously through the athletic (and other) accomplishments of our children and extended family.  I can still remember my excitement for my sons and nephews at the NC state wresting, soccer and basketball tournaments.  Nice!  Maybe a hoops Thrilla in Manila's in your future!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on December 02, 2009, 04:57:37 PM
CNUHoops2010 is registered again and ready to post.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 02, 2009, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on December 02, 2009, 04:57:37 PM
CNUHoops2010 is registered again and ready to post.
Hey, that's great hoops10.  Keep going strong to the hoop.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 02, 2009, 09:10:40 PM
Final:  Guilford 83, NCWC 66 in Rocky Mount, NC

Rebounding was close, with GC getting the edge 34-33, but ... Guilford was 11/19 from beyond the arc and the Bishops were an abysmal 4/24.  Overall, the Quakers were 30/58 from the floor while NCWC was 24/68.

Sanborn's line was impressive with 13 points, 14 rebounds and 6 blocks in 23 minutes.  He could really have some huge games with improvement at the FT line.  Big game for Henson with 23, Bonner 17, Anderson 12 and rookie Pittman with 11.  Meanwhile, Drake 12, Arrington 12 and Stokes 10 led the Bishops.

GCQ improves to 4-0, all against the USASAC, while NCWC falls to 2-6.  Huge game for Guilford on Saturday as they travel to Virginia Wesleyan.   These two teams go after each other with a passion!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 03, 2009, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 02, 2009, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on December 02, 2009, 04:57:37 PM
CNUHoops2010 is registered again and ready to post.
Hey, that's great hoops10.  Keep going strong to the hoop.

or at least bounce one in!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 03, 2009, 02:18:09 PM
su97...did you mean "parody"?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: narch on December 03, 2009, 02:18:09 PM
su97...did you mean "parody"?
Good one, narch. +1  If SU97 was wishing for USASAC hoops "parody", then Merry Christmas!  By winning four straight, however, the Pride have started to blow the "parity" theory.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 03, 2009, 08:57:08 PM
Maryland Bible... just what the doctor ordered.  As I write this we are up by 40 with 5:00 to play.  The record is now over .500 and we should take lots of positives into the 9 day break.  Hopefully the practice sessions will be productive.  Taylor seems to have regained his stroke.  Josh Russell played a nice game with good outside shooting that opened up his inside game.  Green typically strong.  All in all, it seemed like a great effort.  I wish it had been against a stronger team but today was a very positive step in the right direction. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 03, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
Oh boy, now we have the typical clear-the-bench, sloppy, stat packing play.  Briggs tries a reverse dunk described by the announcers as "woefully short."  Now Ferris, Briggs and Herrmann have all hit 3-pointers, and the shortest of the three is 6-5.  Oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 03, 2009, 09:47:33 PM
Final score 101-56 with both of our top 2 point guards on the bench.  Team was 38/73 for 52%FG.  3PTFG was 1/12 in first half and 10/12 in second half for 46% on the game.   Rebound advantage 50-26!!  Turnover advantage 14-24.  Pretty solid game against a team that beat us last year if I recall correctly.

Josh Russell: 5/7 from long, 8/11 overall for 21 pts.
Conley Taylor: 1/2 from long, 9/15 overall for 20 pts, 3 reb.  I hope he has regained his confidence.
Hector Feliciano-Ayala: 2 points but 7/1 assist/turnover ratio, 4 rebounds!  He is 5'-9" I think.
Mike Green: 18 & 7.
Mark Blasingame: quiet night with 8 & 6.  4/4 from the floor so he was efficient.  Only 20 minutes.
Matt Preston & Omar Briggs led rebounding with 8 each in 13 and 7 minutes respectively.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on December 03, 2009, 10:08:15 PM
Yeah Md Bible did pop the Capt's last year.  Nice to see a W for CNU.

Builders almost stung the Fish tonight...VWC 76-73 in OT
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 03, 2009, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: nnasid on December 03, 2009, 10:08:15 PM
Yeah Md Bible did pop the Capt's last year.  Nice to see a W for CNU.

Builders almost stung the Fish tonight...VWC 76-73 in OT
Wow, if there is a "good loss" for the Builders, that should be one. 

I have said this before... the Captains should have NN Apprentice on their schedule EVERY year like they used to.  Since we are now playing teams like Md. Bible every year, that seems a no-brainer.  Maybe you can enlighten us on why that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on December 04, 2009, 10:03:44 AM
First 8 and last 5 minutes were sloppy but the team looked great in the middle.  Josh looked very confident from outside and also scored on a couple of nice drives to the bucket.  Green worked his usual magic on the offensive glass as the team moved the ball around well.  Conley did a nice job driving to the bucket and creating opportunities.

CNU continues to depend on the perimeter offense so they will need to knock down the early shots against the better teams.  They missed their first 6 or 7 outside shots.  Layups and put backs kept them in the game early.  I'd love to see CNU work the ball inside to Mark in the post more often.  Bible actually held a 4 point lead at one point before CNU kicked in the jets.

Everyone got in during the last 7 minutes as the bigs attempted to play point guard and bring the ball up the court.  Needless to say, I don't see Omar or Loren challenging Going or Xavier for playing time at PG anytime soon but it was fun to watch.

All in all, a good win.  Looking forward to lots of winning basketball on the weekend of the 12th.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2009, 10:30:19 AM
FYI and taken verbatim from today's Greensboro News & Record:

The Greensboro College men's team added a game to its 2009-10 season.  The Pride will host Concord (WV) University on Jan. 11 at Hanes Gym.  Greensboro and the Division II Lions will tip-off at 7:30 p.m.

I've rarely seen a game added so late in the season.  Perhaps this is a reflection of GCP's rather tumultuous year and the somewhat, at times, unsettled AD role.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on December 06, 2009, 12:43:26 PM
I knew this was a down year for the USA South but wow!

Every team seems to be struggling but I thought SU would've had more chemistry and success early in the season. They played well at the end of last season and return basically the same team except for guards Johns and Washington.  1-6 is not what I had expected.  They can still turn it around tho.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 06, 2009, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 05, 2009, 10:30:19 AM
FYI and taken verbatim from today's Greensboro News & Record:

The Greensboro College men's team added a game to its 2009-10 season.  The Pride will host Concord (WV) University on Jan. 11 at Hanes Gym.  Greensboro and the Division II Lions will tip-off at 7:30 p.m.

I've rarely seen a game added so late in the season.  Perhaps this is a reflection of GCP's rather tumultuous year and the somewhat, at times, unsettled AD role.
Yeah, it does seem rare to still be working on the schedule.  But, hey, look how long it took CNU to even announce their roster.  I'm just glad that Greensboro still has a team so I'm definitely going to cut them some slack.  I think that you're absolutely correct that it is a reflection of the times.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 06, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
Welcome to the board, HornetFan4Life.  Or hornet, or HF4L, or hornet fan, or whatever.  You know, it would have been easier for all if you had selected a simpler moniker. :D 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 07, 2009, 01:13:22 PM
the monarchs had a tough weekend in salisbury, md, losing to salisbury 87-75 on saturday and then losing a 2 ot game to ramapo on sunday...the monarchs lost that game despite scoring 117 points and holding a 97-93 lead with 8 seconds left in regulation...tough loss

the monarchs are now 0-8 (wow...that hurt)...the only bright spot from a record standpoint is that the d3 opponents are 30-13 (.704 winning %) - carnes and jernigan are playing very well offensively, averaging 17.3 ppg and 15.3 ppg respectively, but offense alone won't win games

the monarchs are REALLY struggling as a team defensively right now, giving up an average of over 92 ppg...not having a 6'10" shot-blocking wizard inside could be hurting mu

speaking of connor, he is averaging 8.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 5 bpg at the d2 level...where was that offense for the monarchs :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 07, 2009, 06:31:12 PM
Quote from: narch on December 07, 2009, 01:13:22 PM
speaking of connor, he is averaging 8.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 5 bpg at the d2 level...where was that offense for the monarchs :)
narch, I think I recall you saying many times, "It's the system."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on December 07, 2009, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 05, 2009, 10:30:19 AM
FYI and taken verbatim from today's Greensboro News & Record:

The Greensboro College men's team added a game to its 2009-10 season.  The Pride will host Concord (WV) University on Jan. 11 at Hanes Gym.  Greensboro and the Division II Lions will tip-off at 7:30 p.m.

I've rarely seen a game added so late in the season.  Perhaps this is a reflection of GCP's rather tumultuous year and the somewhat, at times, unsettled AD role.

There is no connection between GC adding a game the state of GC and the AD. Coach does the scheduling and added So. Virginia in similar way a few years ago.

BTW, looking for 6th straight when Mary Wash. comes to town on Sunday
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 08, 2009, 08:36:14 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 07, 2009, 06:31:12 PM
narch, I think I recall you saying many times, "It's the system."
no question that the defensive system was such that the monarch perimeter defenders could take chances on the outside knowing that there was a shot-blocker inside waiting to clean things up...mu doesn't have that now - the offensive outburst from connor at the d2 level is surprising though...i don't think the mu system held him back...i'm going to assume that his offensive outburst is a natural progression of a young man who is improving...too bad he isn't doing so in green & gold, though...mu could sure use his shot-blocking prowess right now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 08, 2009, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on December 07, 2009, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 05, 2009, 10:30:19 AM
FYI and taken verbatim from today's Greensboro News & Record:

The Greensboro College men's team added a game to its 2009-10 season.  The Pride will host Concord (WV) University on Jan. 11 at Hanes Gym.  Greensboro and the Division II Lions will tip-off at 7:30 p.m.

I've rarely seen a game added so late in the season.  Perhaps this is a reflection of GCP's rather tumultuous year and the somewhat, at times, unsettled AD role.

There is no connection between GC adding a game the state of GC and the AD. Coach does the scheduling and added So. Virginia in similar way a few years ago.

BTW, looking for 6th straight when Mary Wash. comes to town on Sunday
I'm not sure I agree that there's "no connection", but I'll rephrase:  It's unusual for a school to add a game this late in the season whether it's the coach's decision, the state of the school or changes in the AD's office.  There is, however, a connection between the use of commas and the clarity of a sentence.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 08, 2009, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2009, 09:30:59 AM
There is, however, a connection between the use of commas and the clarity of a sentence.
Amen, brother.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 10, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
I just took a look at the USASAC standings and overall records.  It's sad to say this so early in the season, but it certainly appears that the AQ will be the only NCAA playoff team unless someone really comes on like gangbusters the rest of the season.  Teams with 2 or 3 losses (CNU and Greensboro, respectively) may have a chance without winning the conference tournament, but I don't think anyone else does.  If a team's not the AQ, that means they'll have at least one more loss and there will probably be a lot of teams in the pool that match or better that.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 10, 2009, 05:30:28 PM
USASAC hasn't had an at-large team at the dance for quite some time.  I haven't done the research but I would be surprised if there has been one this century.  narch, you're our statistician and historian, what do you say?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on December 12, 2009, 07:06:25 PM
Shenandoah loses to Virginia Wesleyan today 90-78 it was a pretty close game and it looked like at one point that Shenandoah was gonna make a comeback
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 13, 2009, 01:05:32 PM
Hard fought win over a very tough and well coached Salisbury team last night.  Welcome to CNU Jake Capin!  Much like Josh Russell against Maryland Bible Jake discovered his stroke last night.   Both guys were big and made some critical shots down the stretch!   Great game guys, keep it up! Bench for the most part was VERY good.   Baker, Capin, Preston and Parham were all solid.  Theo seems to have re-discovered his stroke!   Hermann was OK.  I prefer to see him shoot the 15 footer or take it to the hole than settle for a 3-pointer!  Parham was outstanding most of the time...a freshman on a couple of occasions. He definitely has a great future at CNU!  Preston is a solid sub for Blasingame.   Matt is more face up/perimeter oriented, while Mark is a back to basket post man.  Nice compliment to one another. 

Starters:  Russell was huge.   He is playing with confidence!  Reminds me of Jeremy Romeo, but Josh is much stronger going to the hole than Romeo.  Going played well.   Paul had 7 assist in 17 minutes and played some really solid defense!  Taylor seems to struggle with the bigger teams.  He had a hard time getting to the hole and should have dumped to Green, Hermann or Blasingame on more than one occasion.  I would have sworn Green was sick.  Lethargic would be a gross understatement.  Mike could hardly make it up and down the court.   He's never been a good defensive player, but last night his man was blowing by him....I mean b-l-o-w-i-n-g.  A very unlike Mike night—I'm sure the "real Mike" will be back tonight!    Blasingame was in a physical battle with #33 McGrew—at times it resembled a wrestling match.   McGrew was a solid 6'8/230 lbs.  Mark came alive down the stretch with a couple of big baskets, two free throws and a huge block on McGrew with less than a minute to play and CNU leading by 4. 

Coaching:  I'll give it a "C."   I don't like to see an opposing coach dictate the game outcome with his substitutions--Salisbury coach did and almost pulled it off!

Overall a good win over a very good team.  CNU has a lot of weapons on "O."   "D" will dictate how far this team goes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 14, 2009, 10:39:12 PM
Averett fell at home to the 8-1 Maryville (TN) Scots, 87-71.  MC visits 5-1 Guilford Wednesday night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on December 16, 2009, 10:34:40 AM
After an easy win on Monday vs a weak Stevenson team the Hornets take on Marymount tonight.  Should be a good game since these teams played earlier last month...which was the Hornets 1 win.

SU seems to be playing with more chemistry but we will see....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 16, 2009, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on December 16, 2009, 10:34:40 AM
After an easy win on Monday vs a weak Stevenson team the Hornets take on Marymount tonight.  Should be a good game since these teams played earlier last month...which was the Hornets 1 win.

SU seems to be playing with more chemistry but we will see....

At this point, I'll take an OT win. Good to see SU didn't quit and fought back to win tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on December 17, 2009, 11:58:28 AM
great comeback win for the hornets. Kline is looking like a POY candidate. 30 pts last night he carried them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on December 17, 2009, 06:47:20 PM
Ferrum 71,Bridgewater 69 Final
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 17, 2009, 10:52:42 PM
Looks as though Averett caged the Hampden-Sydney Tigers tonight in Danville, 70-55 ... that's a bit of a surprise to me ... and Greensboro fell to Emory, 88-74.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 18, 2009, 10:32:06 PM
Well CNU lost  again.  Frustrating.   Coaching:   a huge "F" for both games.   Tonight was ugly.   I honestly thought the best and most athletic 5 prior to Lynchburg were—Parham, Russell, Baker, Green and Blasingame.   Seems we cannot decide on who the two and three's are or will be.   We have issues at the point.  Ran Paul, Xavier and Hector tonight.   All three had problems with TOs.  Capin had a good game, along with Green.  Jake seems to be the most consistent on offense from the perimeter.  I still like the fact Theo and Josh can take it to the hoop and both are very athletic. Defense horrible.   Blasingame a non-factor the last two games.  Maybe three touches tonight. Seems like they could figure out a way to get a 60% the ball.  Why is this guy EVER above the free throw line?    And....they just don't look like they're in good shape. 
Really disappointed in the coaching.   Inconsistent at best.   4-4; should be 7-1.    This team has a LOT of potential, but right now I'm not feeling it.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on December 22, 2009, 03:43:28 PM
Hey guys,

For the past 5 years I have been stuck over on the football side of the house and haven't paid much attention to Basketball. Now that my son is no longer playing and has graduated and moved on to the working world; and the season  now officially over with, I thought I would venture over here on the round ball side of the house and learn something. Can someone help me locate where to navigate to in order to find the rankings and predictions for this year.

I promise to behave and not start any trouble. I owe Averett the country store so I will be pulling for them. However I know one or two of the CNU players and since they are right over the river from me, I may go to some of the games over there at the Freeman Center (I think that's what it is called) Nice facility and good people to talk to.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 23, 2009, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on December 22, 2009, 03:43:28 PM
Hey guys,

For the past 5 years I have been stuck over on the football side of the house and haven't paid much attention to Basketball. Now that my son is no longer playing and has graduated and moved on to the working world; and the season  now officially over with, I thought I would venture over here on the round ball side of the house and learn something. Can someone help me locate where to navigate to in order to find the rankings and predictions for this year.

I promise to behave and not start any trouble. I owe Averett the country store so I will be pulling for them. However I know one or two of the CNU players and since they are right over the river from me, I may go to some of the games over there at the Freeman Center (I think that's what it is called) Nice facility and good people to talk to.
Welcome to hoopsville, kickerdad!  Behaving isn't always necessary - in fact, it's kind of dull if everyone does.  lol  I'm primarily an ODAC fan, but follow this board as well because there is so much interleague play. 

As I'm sure you know, there are only seven USASAC MBB programs (Maryville's in for football only) and more on the women's side.  I'm not sure what the preseason rankings were for the conference, but I'm certain there is a press release on the USASAC site.  If you want to see records, however, you can access any DIII school and conference via links on the d3hoops.com main page.  No USASAC school is currently ranked in the Top 25, but several regional schools they regularly play are.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 26, 2009, 07:20:30 PM
I'm not so sure that CJ will get that 500th win this year.  He needs 9 more to get it.  CNU has 4 non-conference games left (5 if the postponed Frostburg St. game is made up).  Here is what we have –

Upcoming tournament – Westfield State (6-4 with a very inconsistent year so far) and the winner of York, NY (5-5 with some close losses to very good teams) vs. Eastern Conn (7-1).  I just don't see winning the tournament this year.  One win is my prediction, and it might be in the consolation game.  Two losses are also possible.

At Randolph Macon (8-0).  I think we know how embarrassing this one will be.

St. Mary's, MD (8-2).  Maybe we can get one here but I sincerely doubt it.

At Frostburg St. (6-2) if the game is made up.  A good team on the road?  I don't think so.

That is ONE win in the non-conference games.  Thank God we are a weak conference... that might be how CJ gets the wins he needs.  8-4 is not unrealistic, but it's not a done deal.  This team hasn't showed me anything yet so it might be a long season once conference play starts.  My prediction is that if we go 0-2 in the upcoming tourney, CJ will not get to 500 this season.  I want the Captains to win because they are my team, but even more than that I want CJ to get the 500th so that he might be tempted to RETIRE as the head basketball coach and bring in someone else who can do the job.  You know that if he doesn't get it this year his ego will bring him back again next year.

GO CAPTAINS!  Fire CJ the head basketball coach!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 26, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
wow - 500 wins in 26 years...almost averaging 20 wins a year for 26 years.......and people want him fired?

Also he's the AD for a school ranked #7 in the President's Cup for fall sports.

He gets 500 this year.

I think Captj is high on Rum! HAHA - still I love the guy - he speaks his mind and is a lot of fun.

Hey CaptJ - let's place a wager on the 500 wins this season.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 26, 2009, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 26, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
wow - 500 wins in 26 years...almost averaging 20 wins a year for 26 years.......and people want him fired?

yeah, well.  what have you done for me lately?  i told you before that i am upset that the program has not improved along with the school and the facilities.  he isnt the best coach in hampton roads, much less the conference.  from what ive read here he is making in-game mistakes also.  he did great things for the program but it is time to bring in someone a little hungrier.  maybe he is stretched too thin with his job as ad.  i just know that we should be much better every year.  mediocre in a weak conference is not good enough. 

you also point out the success of the other sports at cnu.  you are making my argument for me.  those programs have improved, mens bball has not.  keep him as ad, just get someone a little more hungry for mens bball.

sorry for lower case... i have a baby in one hand as i type.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 26, 2009, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 26, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
Hey CaptJ - let's place a wager on the 500 wins this season.....
if we go 0-2 in the upcoming tourney, you are on.  get your paypal account set up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 26, 2009, 11:28:43 PM
OK, Ryan is in his crib now.  Now I can type with both hands, at least for a few moments. 

Hey 85, welcome back... don't know where you and narch have been... still don't know what has happened to him.  Hitting the rum also, maybe? 

Another thing that bothers me about CJ the coach is that we seem to be having a lot of players who don't improve during their time in the program.  Is B'game better now than he was as a freshman?  Was Davon Barton?  Theo?  Think about that before you fire from the hip when you respond.  About the only guy who I saw improve significantly over his time at CNU was Romeo.  Maybe Selden.

I hope I am wrong about the team this year but I just haven't been impressed.  Surely you've lost some of your enthusiasm.... 4-4, dude.  We would likely be 4-5 if we'd played at Frostburg State.  At any rate, I definitely hope that CJ gets the milestone win.  Maybe that would enable him to step down and do the right thing for the program.  I don't know as much about the assistants as you do so I am NOT going to assume that one of them would get the job.  Imagine a search for a new coach... we would get LOTS of very, very good coaches that would want that job.  How cool would it be to have someone hot to go to those living rooms in search of hot recruits who wasn't jammed up with AD responsibilities?  Someone with a fire in his belly instead of complacency.  Simply put, his time has come and gone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2009, 01:23:38 PM
A serious question about CJ and CNU...

What is different about CJ now and the teams from 2000 and 2001?

I know that McMurry has continued to be competitive under Coach Ron Holmes.  They have not made the NCAA's since 2000-01, but the rest of the conference has gotten better.  McM has finished first or second in the ASC East every season except one year.

(Coach Holmes has fared better with quality assistant coaches.  When Vanlandingham (now assistant at Texas State) was his assistant '98,'99,'00,'01 and then again in '05, '06.  G Garza did not work well as an assistant in '07 and in '08, but he was a good one in Matt Garnett now in '09, '10 seasons.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 27, 2009, 07:12:42 PM
Ralph, I am glad you asked about the 00-01 team since that was the last CNU team that won a NCAA game.  Since that glorious year when we were led by All-American Antoine Sinclair, we have gone to the dance TWO times, and only once in the last 5 years.  Something is different at CNU.  Our legacy of being a dominant program on a national level is GONE. 

To understand why I feel that CJ has maxed out at CNU, you need to examine what has happened to the school.  Over the last 12 years we have seen an amazing transformation from a sleepy little commuter college to a university with modern facilities, a stunning performing arts center, and a top-notch assembly of professors. But more importantly, CNU has become a place where students LOVE to go to college.  The average SAT and GPA of today's CNU student is amazing.  Simply put, an average high school student has no chance of being accepted at CNU.  All this is not hyperbole, it is fact. 

The athletic facilities have also been upgraded in a major way.  I hope you have been able to see our Freeman Center.  It is truly amazing.  We added a competitive football program.  CNU is currently ranked seventh out of more than 440 NCAA Division III colleges and universities in the NACDA Director's Cup.  Points are awarded based on each institution's finish in up to 14 sports -- seven women's and seven men's.  This is the highest that CNU has ever been ranked.  My point here is that the changes in the school this past decade have strengthened the overall athletic program, but the men's basketball program has gotten weaker.  Again, this is fact, not hyperbole.

I think that CJ has become complacent.  I think that he is overworked as both AD and head basketball coach.  I think that he is no longer willing to drive the long miles required for recruiting.  He is missing out on too many top-level players.  Some here have said he is making strategic mistakes during games.  Personally, I think he is not getting the best from his players.  We have had several freshman starters who made little if no improvement during their four years under CJ's tutelage.  Without question, he has done a great job as AD.  The school's athletic program as a whole is very strong.  But CJ the AD needs to fire his head basketball coach for poor performance. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 28, 2009, 04:03:08 PM
Hmmm...as I sit here reading this, I suddenly recalled I said the same thing about CJ being overstretched as basketball coach and AD. Only, I did it in an email directly to CJ a few years ago. In that email I suggested that he pick one or the other - whichever gives him the passion and go for it. I suggested that CNU sports in 1985 is not the same as today and trying to do both at CNU requires superhero powers.

CJ is a smart guy. He'll do what's best for both hoops team and the University. Only he will do it on his timetable, not ours. He's earned the right to do that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 28, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 26, 2009, 11:28:43 PM

Think about that before you fire from the hip when you respond. 
Dang. A little harsh. Not getting enough sleep? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 28, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 28, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 26, 2009, 11:28:43 PM

Think about that before you fire from the hip when you respond. 
Dang. A little harsh. Not getting enough sleep? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
OK, maybe a little true on both counts.  But now that you've had time to think about it, what do you have to say about my theory that our players aren't developing as well as perhaps they could under different leadership?  Do you recall when Davon and B'game were both freshmen and we were so excited about them being such a great foundation for building a team?  I ask you... are/were either of them better as seniors than they were as freshmen?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 28, 2009, 08:18:41 PM
I'll happily play the devil's advocate with this one.   Blasingame could potentially finish with double-double average in points and rebounds and is already the all time shot blocker at CNU for his career.  But I'll measure his success in wins.  The year he was out due to illness the team went 10-16 and 6-6 in conference. Last year they were 18-9 and 10-2 in conference.  I don't think success is always measured in individual stats.  Having the big eraser on the back row has won a few extra games for CJ.  Blasingame is a great team player.  The only knock I have on him is I wish he'd be a little more selfish on the offensive end.   And he's ten times better than he was as a freshman—lol—easily. 

Davon's numbers did drop his senior year, but he was coming back from his "second" ACL injury (same knee), and man I'd love to have the kid's leadership this year with this team.  It's kind of hard to knock Davon's lack of improvement when he finished 6th all time in scoring and 2nd all time in assists.  Same as with Blasingame, a great team player and a great kid.   Leadership wise, no comparison between his freshman and senior years.  Hands down MUCH better, MUCH more mature!

Last year they were one crappy ref'd game away from the NCAA tournament (Barton and Blasingame were both the victim's of foul trouble)—sorry tough to let that one go.  If you want to pick a year the team underachieved I'd say it was Barton's and Blasingame's sophomore year when they potentially had all the pieces to go far.   But yea, I think both kids improved and grew in the program.  And though I've been disappointed thus far, I still think this team will contend for the conference championship. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 28, 2009, 09:22:18 PM
B'game –
05/06     8.5 pts, 9.2 reb, .606FG%
06/07     10.6 pts, 10.2 reb, .605FG%
08/09     11.7 pts, 9.9 reb, .605FG%
09/10     8.8 pts, 10.9 reb, .638FG%

Barton -
05/06     13.4 pts, 3.6 reb, 190 assists, .449FG%
06/07     16.5 pts, 3.1 reb, 217 assists, .474FG%
07/08     17.9 pts, 5.0 reb, 187 assists, .507FG%
08/09     12.5 pts, 4.0 reb, 176 assists, .432FG%

Admittedly, both guys made SOME progress, especially from their 1st year to their 2nd.  But I still think that they could have been even better under a different coach.  Each guy's senior year was/is a disappointment from a points standpoint.  I know Barton was recovering from an injury.  I just have this feeling that each of them were essentially the same guy from a matchup perspective all four years of their careers.  And don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of both of these guys.  They played their hearts out for the Captains.  This is a discussion about CJ, not them.  I still think he is not very good at developing his players.  His strength USED TO BE recruiting.  We had some great players over the years.  But something is wrong, and if anything, recruiting should be easier for him now than it was back in the 90's when we were playing in Ratcliffe Gym.  If you guys think that CJ IS good at developing his players, say so and I will drop the issue.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 28, 2009, 09:27:25 PM
Where, oh where, is narch?  Has anyone heard from him?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
Captj,

You make some good points. However, go back and read some of your own posts. Recruiting is not easier at CNU. It shouldn't be either. A nice facility is good, but as you pointed out the increased academic standards is making it difficult to recruit. Give CJ the same recruiting and academic requirements as that school across the water and we land Ton Ton and a few others who now wear National Championship rings. Trible refuses to allow exceptions for athletes. I posted last year some time an article in the Daily Press about this. The head coach at Warwick High said it was easier to get one of his players into UVA than it was CNU. The reason, UVA allows exceptions to academic standards to get players in and on a scholarship as long as the minimum NCAA standards are met.

Take the coach from across the water and put him at CNU and I bet he doesn't survive 3 years. It's a different environment. Heck, I remember my son getting mail from that school offering him (trying to remember exact figures) $9,500-$12,000 in scholarship if he had a high school GPA of 2.5 or higher. And he wasn't being recruited for sports!!!  I gave that mail to CJ and said, "this is what you're up against".  Trible will never "go there".

Our church hosts an annual dinner for CNU athletes with a GA of 3.0 or higher. Back in the day (early 2000's) the basketball team was never represented. It is now.

All I'm trying to point out is that it is much harder to recruit today than it was pre-Trible years. I'm not sure dropping in a new coach who previously only had to recruit on talent and not a combination of talent and academics is necessarily the cure-all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on December 29, 2009, 04:17:09 PM
Only at CNU.....would they ask the AD to fire himself.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bigrips77 on December 29, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
It's certainly clear the game has changed from a recruiting standpoint at CNU.  They may just need to re-evaluate exactly what kind of player they are trying to recruit to the program.

I don't consider the incredible progress made at CNU as counter-intuitive to the efforts to the athletic program there.  If anything, it has strengthened their athletic program as CNU is now a much more desirable collegiate setting than not too long ago.

That said, it doesn't do CNU any good to try and compare itself with Virginia Wesleyan (i.e. apples and oranges, moreso now than before) just because they're the only D3 schools in Hampton Roads.   CNU, from a mens basketball standpoint, seems like they want to recruit the same guy VWC is going after which probably isn't a good idea given how their campus and requirements have changed and how successful Macedo's program has been in recent memory.

I have a feeling they'll figure it out soon enough - you're not that far off at CNU as it is right now.  If you want to be concerned about anything, it should be your play as a conference against other D3 conferences, especially the ODAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 29, 2009, 07:15:55 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 29, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
All I'm trying to point out is that it is much harder to recruit today than it was pre-Trible years. I'm not sure dropping in a new coach who previously only had to recruit on talent and not a combination of talent and academics is necessarily the cure-all.
Yada, yada, yada... of course I knew that was coming.  Yes, some time ago I DID make the same claim you are making.  I did it in misguided support of CJ.  I did it even though deep inside I was thinking that the argument was a bit of rubbish. 

I will always be a Captains fan.  I want what is best for my team and I will use this forum to voice my opinion, good or bad.  I DO NOT think that we are at a disadvantage because of stringent academic requirements.  Other schools with better academics than our own do just fine putting together competitive teams year after year.  Making that claim is just an excuse for FAILURE.  I think that we have a distinct advantage because of the desirability of our school as a whole, the facility our athletes get to play in, and because of the available talent that we have to recruit from.  And finally, I think that CJ is NOT doing a good job as head basketball coach.  He did great things for the basketball program... in the past.  He deserves any accolades he receives.  But his time has passed unless he is willing to step down as AD and concentrate on the basketball team.  The fans and players deserve that.  I think that someone with more ambition and time on his hands would make the team stronger.  I think that because of the advantages I have mentioned we would be able to find a GREAT coach is we did a full scale search.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 29, 2009, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: SU97 on December 29, 2009, 04:17:09 PM
Only at CNU.....would they ask the AD to fire himself.   ;D
That would be cool, wouldn't it?  A much more likely scenario would be one where the coach steps down.  Now THAT really would be cool!  Step down, CJ!!

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 29, 2009, 07:54:59 PM
Once again, where is narch?   ???  His last post was Dec. 8.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 29, 2009, 09:20:32 PM
Captj,

I have no opinion on this.. It's something I heard in the President's Room the other week. Is it all on CJ? He has 2 assistant coaches. Waters has been an assistant coach for 19 years and Ross for 26. Ross used to be able to head into some areas and bring in some talent. He was famous for that mid year, Spring Semester transfer. Is there not enough fresh ideas, new blood, whatever, in areas such as recruiting, game prep, practices, strategy, because the trio has been together for so long? Is it good or bad that the three have been together that long? I have no answers and haven't really thought about it much. Makes for interesting conversation....what say ye?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 29, 2009, 10:31:49 PM
Actually, 85, you bring up a good point.  The basketball program is NOT just one man, and it HAS been the same for a very long time.  Maybe they have become stagnant.  I don't know the assistants like I believe you do so I can speak a little more freely.  My first thought when I think about an assistant who teams up with a head coach for so long (who is basically his same age) is that he must be content being second fiddle.  Otherwise don't you think he would have been offered or at least sought a better opportunity?  That is not a knock on Coach Ross.  Not everyone wants to be head cheese.  Coach Waters hasn't been there as long as Ross but 19 years is a very long time to be an assistant.  Maybe a complete shake-up is appropriate.

I don't know if it is good, bad or otherwise that they have been a team for so long.  All I know is that what they are doing collectively is not working.  The other CNU athletic programs are flourishing in the "new CNU" years and the men's basketball program is not.  I still think that the "new CNU" should be an easier place to recruit for, not one more difficult. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 29, 2009, 10:33:26 PM
BTW; If you still want to contend that more rigorous academic standards are a detriment to recruiting, take a look at what is going on a couple of miles up Route 60.  Coach Shaver has put together what might be the best W&M team ever, and I bet that his players are just as strong academically as the rest of the students on campus.  I'm just not buying that excuse anymore.

Coincedence that Shaver is former ODAC?  Maybe, maybe not.  I just know that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 30, 2009, 05:10:47 AM
USASAC is now 22-43 (.338) collectively.   :( :o ??? ::) :-[ :'(  Bring on the conference schedule!  Quickly, please.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 30, 2009, 05:16:37 AM
Quote from: bigrips77 on December 29, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
 CNU, from a mens basketball standpoint, seems like they want to recruit the same guy VWC is going after which probably isn't a good idea given how their campus and requirements have changed and how successful Macedo's program has been in recent memory.

I agree with what you've written here but I don't understand this part.  Why wouldn't both programs want the same player, assuming that the player in question is good?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 30, 2009, 05:55:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 29, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
...increased academic standards is making it difficult to recruit. Give CJ the same recruiting and academic requirements as that school across the water and we land Ton Ton and a few others who now wear National Championship rings. Trible refuses to allow exceptions for athletes.
CNU Student profile
44% male, 56% female
Average High School GPA is a 3.64 for the 2009-2010 Academic Year.
Average SAT 1199
Minority Breakdown (20% of the entering 2009-2010 freshman class are minority students): 7% African American, 2% Asian American or Pacific Islander, 3% Hispanic American, 0.6% Native American, International Population - 0.12% representing 30 other countries

A few things stand out at me here.  First, those really are great academic numbers.  I will get back to that.  The second thing is the shamefully low number of minorities going to school there now.  I had no idea.  Only 20%!

OK, 3.6 and 1200 are great numbers, but I know there are a lot of students accepted who are MUCH higher than that... higher than 4.0 even.  Therefore it makes sense to me that there are plenty of kids on campus with numbers significantly lower than this average also.  These kids have other attributes such as leadership or community service that make them stand out.  Or they are musicians or poets or, God forbid, ATHLETES.  Don't tell me that a great basketball player with a 2.9/900 won't be welcome at CNU.  That is a higher GPA than I had in high school and yet I distinguished myself pretty well at CNU.  Many average students go on to achieve greater things than anyone reading these words, that is for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on December 31, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
W&M beat UMD last night.  First time in school history the Tribe has beat two ACC teams in the same year.  Shavers is a GREAT coach....however, he can offer  a scholarship to the student-athlete.  That does help just a little.   I always thought CNU should go D-II.   How many D-II schools are in VA—two I think?  How many are in NC?  A WHOLE bunch—with academic standards well below what CNU requires.    I imagine it's pretty challenging for NC Wesleyan, Methodist and Greensboro to recruit....along with CNU.  Plenty of local talent has headed south for the money.  Can you blame them?   

But...hmmm....CNU does have a pretty good class of newbie's this year...so guess it does go back to developing/melding the talent. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 31, 2009, 01:05:49 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 29, 2009, 10:33:26 PM
BTW; If you still want to contend that more rigorous academic standards are a detriment to recruiting, take a look at what is going on a couple of miles up Route 60.  Coach Shaver has put together what might be the best W&M team ever, and I bet that his players are just as strong academically as the rest of the students on campus.  I'm just not buying that excuse anymore.

Coincedence that Shaver is former ODAC?  Maybe, maybe not.  I just know that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

Can't compare a scholarship program to a non scholarship program. And I bet the men's hoops team, on average, is academically lower than the student population average. Just a guess, but I bet I'm not wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 31, 2009, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 30, 2009, 05:55:41 PM
That is a higher GPA than I had in high school and yet I distinguished myself pretty well at CNU.


that's cuz you are tall
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 31, 2009, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: cnububba on December 31, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
W&M beat UMD last night.  First time in school history the Tribe has beat two ACC teams in the same year.  Shavers is a GREAT coach....however, he can offer  a scholarship to the student-athlete.  That does help just a little.   I always thought CNU should go D-II.   How many D-II schools are in VA—two I think?  How many are in NC?  A WHOLE bunch—with academic standards well below what CNU requires.    I imagine it's pretty challenging for NC Wesleyan, Methodist and Greensboro to recruit....along with CNU.  Plenty of local talent has headed south for the money.  Can you blame them?   

But...hmmm....CNU does have a pretty good class of newbie's this year...so guess it does go back to developing/melding the talent. 


Sweet! I missed that score from my other alma mater! Great news!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 03:41:34 PM
Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 31, 2009, 01:05:49 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 29, 2009, 10:33:26 PM
BTW; If you still want to contend that more rigorous academic standards are a detriment to recruiting, take a look at what is going on a couple of miles up Route 60.  Coach Shaver has put together what might be the best W&M team ever, and I bet that his players are just as strong academically as the rest of the students on campus.  I'm just not buying that excuse anymore.

Coincedence that Shaver is former ODAC?  Maybe, maybe not.  I just know that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

Can't compare a scholarship program to a non scholarship program. And I bet the men's hoops team, on average, is academically lower than the student population average. Just a guess, but I bet I'm not wrong.
My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 03:41:34 PM
Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!
I checked out Washington's stats.  You are right that his minutes are down in the 2 games he played in this year, but he wasn't that prolific a scorer last year so maybe the Hornets have better players this year.  Kline is definitely having a great year but if the Hornets are a one-man team they will be in trouble against good defensive teams. 

Conference play on 1/6/10!!!!  Bring it on!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 03:41:34 PM
Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!
I checked out Washington's stats.  You are right that his minutes are down in the 2 games he played in this year, but he wasn't that prolific a scorer last year so maybe the Hornets have better players this year.  Kline is definitely having a great year but if the Hornets are a one-man team they will be in trouble against good defensive teams. 

Conference play on 1/6/10!!!!  Bring it on!

You are right he wasn't a prolific scorer last year but the kid is a player and one of the better athletes in the conference. From what I've seen this year at SU they could use all the help they can get.

Bring it on CaptJ
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 07:16:25 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 03:41:34 PM
Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!
I checked out Washington's stats.  You are right that his minutes are down in the 2 games he played in this year, but he wasn't that prolific a scorer last year so maybe the Hornets have better players this year.  Kline is definitely having a great year but if the Hornets are a one-man team they will be in trouble against good defensive teams. 

Conference play on 1/6/10!!!!  Bring it on!

You are right he wasn't a prolific scorer last year but the kid is a player and one of the better athletes in the conference. From what I've seen this year at SU they could use all the help they can get.

Bring it on CaptJ
Maybe he has a nagging injury or just needs to be reintegrated into the team a little more if he missed the fall semester. 

OK, 4Life... bring it ahwuunn!   (You should see me now.  Here is the visual... I am making spastic gang signs with my hands and the most ridiculous expression of toughness on my face.   ::))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 01, 2010, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 05:43:52 PM
My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

My point is that if you are very very good at basketball and are a high level student (W&M) standards....you're going to a school that can offer scholarships. If you can play ball and you are at the average 3.64 GPA you can get scholarships. CNU is stuck in the middle. Go to VWC and pull average GPA and SAT of their hoops team. CNU is trying to compete academically with schools that can offer scholarships and they are trying to compete athletically with schools that have lower academic standards for athletes and general student population.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 01, 2010, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 01, 2010, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 05:43:52 PM
My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

My point is that if you are very very good at basketball and are a high level student (W&M) standards....you're going to a school that can offer scholarships. If you can play ball and you are at the average 3.64 GPA you can get scholarships. CNU is stuck in the middle. Go to VWC and pull average GPA and SAT of their hoops team. CNU is trying to compete academically with schools that can offer scholarships and they are trying to compete athletically with schools that have lower academic standards for athletes and general student population.
That is RUBBISH, my blindly obedient friend.  Did you notice that the CNU women are undefeated?  NO MORE EXCUSES!  CJ MUST GO!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 01, 2010, 10:56:21 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 01, 2010, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 31, 2009, 05:43:52 PM
My first point was that W&M has much higher academic standards than CNU yet they seem to be able to fill the roster with genuine student-athletes, and that they are very, very good at basketball.   My second point was that I HATE LOSING TO VWC EVERY YEAR!!

My point is that if you are very very good at basketball and are a high level student (W&M) standards....you're going to a school that can offer scholarships. If you can play ball and you are at the average 3.64 GPA you can get scholarships. CNU is stuck in the middle. Go to VWC and pull average GPA and SAT of their hoops team. CNU is trying to compete academically with schools that can offer scholarships and they are trying to compete athletically with schools that have lower academic standards for athletes and general student population.
Your logic is so flawed.  We don't need kids with W&M level academics OR Div 1 hoops skills.  We just need very good D3 level players with academics that are acceptable in light of their "other" qualities.... specifically, their athletic prowess.  Getting an occasional D1 level player would push us to a very high status in D3. 

In case you missed my point on my last post... if the women's program can get the players, so could the men's.  IF we had a capable coach, that is.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 02, 2010, 01:00:36 AM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 03:41:34 PM
Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!

Appears to be nothing out of the ordinary if anyone cites the history of the program since 2004-2005.

Since the 2004-2005 season as the Men's program is currently 3-9 on this young season which equals to just 60 wins out of the last 145 contests for .41% winning%

USA-South action starts on January 6th as the men's basketball program has only won 18 contests out of 60 USA-South conference games since the 2004-2005 season.  Regular season / USA-South Tournament won/loss records below.

    * 2004-2005: 6-06 ... 1-1
    * 2005-2006: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2006-2007: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2007-2008: 6-06 ... 0-1
    * 2008-2009: 4-08 ... 1-1

After one reviews the overall records to this point of the season, the USA-South looks to be down a little bit this year, so maybe SU will get more wins out of the USA-South this season?  Looks to be some parity within the league this year?  Time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 02, 2010, 02:51:56 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 02, 2010, 01:00:36 AM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on December 31, 2009, 03:41:34 PM
Whats going on in Winchester?

The Hornets are 3-9 and just dropped 2 games back to back at home.  Other than Kline in the post points are hard to come by. I've noticed Washington was added back on the roster for the second semester.  Was he off the team for disciplinary reasons? The kid started last year now he barely plays, it must be a non-basketball issue.

SU vs CNU on the 6th!!!

Appears to be nothing out of the ordinary if anyone cites the history of the program since 2004-2005.

Since the 2004-2005 season as the Men's program is currently 3-9 on this young season which equals to just 60 wins out of the last 145 contests for .41% winning%

USA-South action starts on January 6th as the men's basketball program has only won 18 contests out of 60 USA-South conference games since the 2004-2005 season.  Regular season / USA-South Tournament won/loss records below.

    * 2004-2005: 6-06 ... 1-1
    * 2005-2006: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2006-2007: 1-11 ... 0-1
    * 2007-2008: 6-06 ... 0-1
    * 2008-2009: 4-08 ... 1-1

After one reviews the overall records to this point of the season, the USA-South looks to be down a little bit this year, so maybe SU will get more wins out of the USA-South this season?  Looks to be some parity within the league this year?  Time will tell.
WTF?!  Is my brain fried or is this totally confusing? 

"3-9 on this young season which equals to just 60 wins out of the last 145 contests for .41% winning%"  

How is 3-9 (25% winning %) equal to 41%? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 02, 2010, 12:03:13 PM
Shenandoah's actually only played 142 games since the start of the 2004-05 season with the following results:

Non-conference               40-35 = .533
USASAC regular season     18-42 = .300
USASAC tournament          2-5 = .286
Overall                            60-82 = .423

"If" their record had been 60 wins in 145 games (60-85) as presented by USA-Fan, then I see where he got his published winning percentage of 41% (60/145 = 41.4%).  Having the correct numbers make all the difference.  :) Hope the Hornets have a good season in USASAC play!          
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 02, 2010, 07:15:29 PM
The CNU second team looked like world beaters in the closing minutes of the first half to go up by 12.  Now the starters have given up that lead in the second half... Captains by 1.  What is wrong with the starting team?  They seem to be playing with no intensity.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on January 02, 2010, 11:59:31 PM
CNU beats Westfield St. 77-60
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 03, 2010, 01:07:19 AM
D-I and D-III not so different: New SU Athletic Director Wayne Edwards weighs in
What are the differences between division-I and division-III sports programs?


Click the video or read the comments from Wayne Edwards (Shenandoah University's new Athletic Director).

Posted: 9:11 PM Dec 28, 2009
Reporter: Mike Giangreco

http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/80239697.html (http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/80239697.html)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 03, 2010, 01:09:53 AM
SU's Wayne Edwards:
Quote"There's scholarships at D-I and none at D-III, but you still have student athletes, you still have coaches and they still want to win. So when you talk about differences in many cases they're grossly overstated. Because in the final analysis, student athletes want to play, coaches want to coach and you don't go out to lose, you go out to try and win."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 03, 2010, 01:13:16 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 03, 2010, 01:09:53 AM
SU's Wayne Edwards:
Quote"There's scholarships at D-I and none at D-III, but you still have student athletes, you still have coaches and they still want to win. So when you talk about differences in many cases they're grossly overstated. Because in the final analysis, student athletes want to play, coaches want to coach and you don't go out to lose, you go out to try and win."
True, but DIII coaches rarely lock players with concussions in darkened equipment sheds or miss an $800,000 bonus by getting fired the day before it was scheduled to be paid.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 03, 2010, 02:41:06 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 02, 2010, 12:03:13 PM
Shenandoah's actually only played 142 games since the start of the 2004-05 season with the following results:

Non-conference               40-35 = .533
USASAC regular season     18-42 = .300
USASAC tournament          2-5 = .286
Overall                            60-82 = .423

"If" their record had been 60 wins in 145 games (60-85) as presented by USA-Fan, then I see where he got his published winning percentage of 41% (60/145 = 41.4%).  Having the correct numbers make all the difference.  :) Hope the Hornets have a good season in USASAC play!          


Stand corrected, thanks for catching that type-o.

Year-to-Date since 2004/2005 season, 60 wins out of 142 contests = 42% winning percentage.

Again, looks like some parity within USA-South with overall records, before conference play begins this upcoming week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 03, 2010, 06:30:53 PM
CNU loses by 10 in OT against York, NY.  I'm just not impressed.  Look at the stats in OT.  NO FIELD GOALS?!  Pathetic.  B'game has a chance to make it a one point game with 2:30 left and misses BOTH free throws!  York promptly scores seconds later and takes off like a racehorse.  If we were in a tougher conference, CNU would a sub-.500 team.  All the preseason hype was just that... hype.    If these really are great players, like CNU85 thinks, then that is even more reason for CJ to resign.  He is not getting the best out of his players. 

Hey 85, I'm ready to take that wager.  I think that we won't win any of the 3 non-conference game remaining and that we will go 7-5 in the conference schedule.  The only hope for a 500th is that this might be the worst conference (collectively) in D3 basketball.  Hey, wait.  If we go 7-5 and win the first round tournament game, that would get CJ his 500th.  Hmmmm... not a chance.

Next game at Shenandoah.  Want to guess my prediction for that one?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 03, 2010, 06:45:40 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 28, 2009, 04:03:08 PM
Hmmm...as I sit here reading this, I suddenly recalled I said the same thing about CJ being overstretched as basketball coach and AD. Only, I did it in an email directly to CJ a few years ago. In that email I suggested that he pick one or the other - whichever gives him the passion and go for it. I suggested that CNU sports in 1985 is not the same as today and trying to do both at CNU requires superhero powers.

CJ is a smart guy. He'll do what's best for both hoops team and the University. Only he will do it on his timetable, not ours. He's earned the right to do that.
I totally agree with everything you said here.  However, there are two opposing thoughts here... "He'll do what's best for both hoops team and the University" and "he will do it on his timetable, not ours. He's earned the right to do that."  You are right that if he doesn't get the 500th this year he would have the RIGHT to come back next year.  I just hope that he would then do "what's best for both hoops team and the Univeersity.""
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 03, 2010, 07:38:04 PM
I miss narch and goose.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 03, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
Outstanding first half by the Captains tonight against a VERY athletic York team.   CNU went missing in action the first 6 minutes of the second half.  Xavier played like a senior in the first half, a freshman in the second.  Kid has talent, just gotta tame it a little.  Other than Conley, who is really coming into his own and gaining confidence every game our other 3-point shooters just didn't have it tonight.   Blasingame's two free throws?  Pleeeeeeeese....how about  4-21 from three point range, a whopping 19%, for a team that normally shoots .350.   And most of the looks were wide open.   Talk about unlucky; Exum's three was his first, a good four steps behind the three point line with someone in his face.  Third time this year CNU has been victimized by a long three all defended well.  That's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

Congrats to Taylor and Blasingame for making the all- tourney team .  Conley would have been MVP if the team had won.  His outside shooting continues to improve.  Blasingame battled all night against probably the tallest and most athletic lineup he'll see.  He more than held his own.   

7-5...only two road wins?  I'll definitely take that bet.  Pass the San Miguel and Lumpia please.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on January 03, 2010, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 03, 2010, 06:30:53 PM
CNU loses by 10 in OT against York, NY.  I’m just not impressed.  Look at the stats in OT.  NO FIELD GOALS?!  Pathetic.  B’game has a chance to make it a one point game with 2:30 left and misses BOTH free throws!  York promptly scores seconds later and takes off like a racehorse.  If we were in a tougher conference, CNU would a sub-.500 team.  All the preseason hype was just that… hype.    If these really are great players, like CNU85 thinks, then that is even more reason for CJ to resign.  He is not getting the best out of his players. 

Hey 85, I’m ready to take that wager.  I think that we won’t win any of the 3 non-conference game remaining and that we will go 7-5 in the conference schedule.  The only hope for a 500th is that this might be the worst conference (collectively) in D3 basketball.  Hey, wait.  If we go 7-5 and win the first round tournament game, that would get CJ his 500th.  Hmmmm… not a chance.

Next game at Shenandoah.  Want to guess my prediction for that one?



yeah whats your prediction for that one?

Im taking the hornets at home by 10
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 04, 2010, 04:46:06 AM
Hey HF4L, I will take those 10 points.  I don't think the Captains will win but they would definitely cover that spread.  They will play to the level of the competition and then have a 50-50 chance to win it.  But alas, this is a road game so they will lose by 4.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 04, 2010, 04:59:35 AM
Here is why I'm not going to accept blaming mean ol' Mr. Fate for losing this one -

                             ...          1st 2nd  OT    Total
York (NY).........................   31   26   14  -   71
Christopher Newport...........   39   18    4    -   61

18 points in the 2nd half!!!  Aren't we supposed to have a lot of offensive weapons this year?

1 point in the last 3 minutes of OT and 4 total in OT!!!

Where is the killer instinct?  Where is the will to win?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 04, 2010, 08:44:20 AM
I'm taking CNU by 6 over SU.  Games are always close at SU because of that cracker box of a gym.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 04, 2010, 12:04:49 PM
Quote from: cnububba on January 03, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
Outstanding first half by the Captains tonight against a VERY athletic York team.   CNU went missing in action the first 6 minutes of the second half.  Xavier played like a senior in the first half, a freshman in the second.  Kid has talent, just gotta tame it a little.  Other than Conley, who is really coming into his own and gaining confidence every game our other 3-point shooters just didn't have it tonight.   Blasingame's two free throws?  Pleeeeeeeese....how about  4-21 from three point range, a whopping 19%, for a team that normally shoots .350.   And most of the looks were wide open.   Talk about unlucky; Exum's three was his first, a good four steps behind the three point line with someone in his face.  Third time this year CNU has been victimized by a long three all defended well.  That's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

Congrats to Taylor and Blasingame for making the all- tourney team .  Conley would have been MVP if the team had won.  His outside shooting continues to improve.  Blasingame battled all night against probably the tallest and most athletic lineup he'll see.  He more than held his own.   

7-5...only two road wins?  I'll definitely take that bet.  Pass the San Miguel and Lumpia please.


True statements. the thing nobody has mentioned is this....the guy who hit all the threes, with people in his face on mist shots, was 7-27 from three coming into the game. I'd let him shoot too!! Except he made 7 last night alone....again with some pretty good D on most of his shots. The #12 kid from York, their leading scorer was SHUT  DOWN! I think he had 4 points, maybe less. He was avergaing 22. He was 41-99 in 10 games coming into this game from three point range. He shot nothing.

CNU just went flat on offense in the second half. Blasingame, who sunk 8-8 FT the night before, was sinking them early last night, then they started falling short. York was a very athletic team, very fast...yet CNU was faster and made York adjust to a slower game.

I'm not giving up the ship yet. 5-5 with 2 OT losses and a 1 pt loss to open the season. Very close to 8-2. The difference is that these guys have not played with each other much. Blasingame sat out the year Taylor played, then Taylor sat out when Blasingame came back. New starting point guards, Parham and Going, and a new transfer starting on the wing, Capin. At times I see a second team in that is full of former startes...Theo, Conley, Going, etc.

Hermann was out yesterday with injury. Hope he's better by Wednesday.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 04, 2010, 01:17:35 PM
the monarchs are now 0-2 for 2010 following losses to lagrange and piedmont (see, i prefer to look at just the 2010 mark to avoid saying that mu is 0-10....something i don't think i've ever experienced as a monarch fan) - i knew this would be a tough year, especially with a tough schedule, but i thought mu would have 3-4 wins by now...

the great thing is that i don't see anyone running away with the conference, and every team is winless in conference at this point - i'm not willing to say that the monarchs can't win the usasac...if anything, i think they've been better prepared than any other team in the conference through a tough and trying non-conference schedule...we'll find out soon

captj...i wish i were where you are right now...this 34 degree stuff sucks!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 04, 2010, 04:17:08 PM
Hey narch, welcome back.  I'm guessing that the balance sheet of professional and family demands is now even after a tough couple of months trying to juggle grad school and your job.  I hope you have the family happy again now that you have reintroduced them to dad.  I'm guessing, though, that you're about to disappear on us again now that the semester is about to begin again.  Try to stick your head in the door here at D3hoops occasionally, OK?

Bubba... have you tried San Miguel beer?  It's actually quite good.  I wish I could send all you USASAC posters a case, plus a big platter of Cerelyn's lumpia.  Maybe a bowl of sweet chili sauce to dip it in.  And definitely a day or two of the sunny, 85 degree weather I have every day.

Ahhhh... conference time.  A clean slate. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 05, 2010, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 04, 2010, 04:17:08 PM


Bubba... have you tried San Miguel beer?  It's actually quite good.  I wish I could send all you USASAC posters a case,


want my address?.....better yet...I believe I can get a case at Total Wine....just send me money!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 05, 2010, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 05, 2010, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 04, 2010, 04:17:08 PM


Bubba... have you tried San Miguel beer?  It's actually quite good.  I wish I could send all you USASAC posters a case,


want my address?.....better yet...I believe I can get a case at Total Wine....just send me money!
I have never had it in the US but I have heard that the stuff San Miguel exports is not as good as the stuff they keep for their domestic market.  Preservatives, maybe?  I tell you what, if the Captains win 2 of their remaining non-conference games I will send you enough pesos to buy a case at TW.  Just 85, then he can share.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 05, 2010, 10:45:59 PM
CNU on the clock.

I am looking forward to conference play and seeing how things shape up in the USASAC. Checking on the statistics and the names are familiar: Mitchell, Blasingame, Kline, Drake..  I wonder who is going to step up this year? 

I still can't figure out how the conference doesn't even have a single team above .500 at this point.   :(

Congratulations to former SU baller and conference POTY JLawrence who is playing in Germany:  http://www.suhornets.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100105nijak5 (http://www.suhornets.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100105nijak5)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 05, 2010, 11:00:01 PM
Very cool about Lawrence... keeping the dream alive.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 06, 2010, 12:02:44 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 05, 2010, 10:45:59 PM


Congratulations to former SU baller and conference POTY JLawrence who is playing in Germany:  http://www.suhornets.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100105nijak5 (http://www.suhornets.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/releases/20100105nijak5)

That Lawrence kid was always impressive to watch!   Good Luck to him.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 07:30:08 PM
Three games getting underway right now -

CNU (5-5) at Shenandoah (3-9)
Ferrum (6-6) at Averett (3-8)
Greensboro (5-5) at Maryville (11-2)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 08:20:03 PM
Captains lead by 15 at the half.  Jake Capin thinks he's Michael Jordan.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 08:20:03 PM
Captains lead by 15 at the half.  Jake Capin thinks he's Michael Jordan.
Hornets storm back to cut it to 1 point lead.  How did I know this was going to happen?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
OMG.  Captains blow an 18 point lead and find a way to lose it by two.  This is becoming much too frequent.  Captains now 5-6.   :(  Captains score 18 points in the 2nd half... AGAIN!!!  We are getting outcoached in the 2nd half of these games.  Do we make adjustments?  Obviously our opponents do. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 06, 2010, 09:26:36 PM
Damn.....there goes my beer!!! And Captj, I gve up....CJ will have to get #500 next year. How does Capin score 19 in first half and entire team score 18 in second half and Capin gets zero??? Go buy that beer on me, and drink up!!!!!

But I'm in too good of a mood to let this stupid game get to me! But geez!!!

Oh  - congrats to Hornets for not packing it in at halftime!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 06, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
OMG.  Captains blow an 18 point lead and find a way to lose it by one.  This is becoming much too frequent.  Captains now 5-6.   :(

lost by 2!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 06, 2010, 09:26:36 PM
And Captj, I gve up....CJ will have to get #500 next year.
If CJ is head basketball coach next year I won't be around to suffer through it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 06, 2010, 09:26:36 PM
Go buy that beer on me, and drink up!!!!!

It's 10:30 AM here.  Too early for that. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 09:35:45 PM
CJ is blaming it on freethrows.  Of course... that is something he can't control.  How about taking some of the blame, A$%H*#@!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 06, 2010, 09:47:53 PM
I'll buy the San Miguel and roll the Lumpia.  Next game lets send Bubba (me), CaptJ and CNU84 to shoot free throws---4-15 in the second half.  Were they wearing blind folds?  We could do better...WITH blind folds...good grief.  Talk about the thrill of victory (first half) and the agony of defeat (second half). 

Congrats to the Hornets.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 06, 2010, 10:02:36 PM
Big win for the Hornets!  How did CNU blow a 15pt 1/2 time lead?

42-18=60 CNU Captains (5-6, 0-1)
27-35=62 Shenandoah Hornets (4-9, 1-0)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 06, 2010, 11:23:32 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 06, 2010, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 06, 2010, 09:26:36 PM
Go buy that beer on me, and drink up!!!!!

It's 10:30 AM here.  Too early for that. 
never too early...

nice win for the hornets...lots of teams would have packed up down 15 at halftime...great effort
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 11:58:47 PM
Quote from: narch on January 06, 2010, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 06, 2010, 09:26:36 PM
Go buy that beer on me, and drink up!!!!!

It's 10:30 AM here.  Too early for that. 
never too early...

nice win for the hornets...lots of teams would have packed up down 15 at halftime...great effort
I don't think that any team is going to give up against the Captains.  As long as their coach gives them something different in the 2nd half they have a chance since CNU won't be able to counter.  I am just disgusted with what has happened to the CNU program. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 07, 2010, 02:43:14 AM
In the post game interview CJ blamed the loss on free throw shooting.  What he didn't mention was that in the second half when SU came from behind to catch and pass the Captains, they were just as bad from the charity stripe.  In the 2nd half SU was only 5/14 (35.7%).  The game WAS NOT won or lost on the FT line.  The game was WON by SU because they had more heart and courage than the Captains.  It was LOST because CJ sucks as a coach.  

During the interview there was a "blackout" for just a moment and when the broadcast resumed a few seconds later CJ had gone to the locker room.  How convenient.  I hope he went into the locker room and apologized to the team for not having them prepared for the second half and for not being able to find something to counter the SU comeback.  

GO CAPTAINS!   FIRE CJ!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 07, 2010, 08:46:14 AM
Quote"Shenandoah came out real aggressive at the start of the second half," Captains coach C.J. Woollum said. "Our approach to the second half wasn't very good. We tried some things that maybe we shouldn't have, but you can't take anything away from Shenandoah. They came out and played hard, and in the end, that's why they won."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on January 07, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
Great win for the Hornets. That first half looked really bad but they didn't quit and took control of the game. Both teams were pretty bad from the free throw line so I wouldn't say that was a factor. You guys are pretty hard on CJ....I wouldn't say he lost this game, I'd say the Hornets played harder and thats on the players not the coaches.

CNU can really get hot from 3 but they don't really play much defense and our guys got to the rim at will almost. 1-0 in the conference.....11 games to go! NC Wes next.
 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 07, 2010, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on January 07, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
Great win for the Hornets. That first half looked really bad but they didn't quit and took control of the game. Both teams were pretty bad from the free throw line so I wouldn't say that was a factor. You guys are pretty hard on CJ....I wouldn't say he lost this game, I'd say the Hornets played harder and thats on the players not the coaches.

CNU can really get hot from 3 but they don't really play much defense and our guys got to the rim at will almost. 1-0 in the conference.....11 games to go! NC Wes next.
 
I wasn't there, of course, and don't know CJ, but it is probably partly on the coach.  The players have to play (and hit their Free Throws), but the Head Coach has to assess the flow of the game, take appropriately-timed TO's, make personnel changes when needed and, above all, make in-game adjustments to plays, assignments and defensive schemes.   I don't think you can put losing an 18-point lead all on the players or the coaches ... the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 07, 2010, 02:03:38 PM
i dont think it was so much on coaching but Coach Harris was on the court screamin at his kids to keep the pressure up which i felt like got into CNU's players heads as well.  CJ just sat back and watched, didnt use timeouts very properly and in the end, SU players played harder and went out and got the win.  #50 on SU - Schrader played like a man among boys and killed.  The kline-green matchup wasnt what anyone was expecting combining for 3-14 shooting and like 6 combined points
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 07, 2010, 03:13:53 PM
Most teams play the key player/players as often as possible.Check the box score.Not at CNU.....notice the drop in minutes.How important is this formula,check the won loss record!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 07, 2010, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 07, 2010, 08:46:14 AM
[quote"Our approach to the second half wasn't very good. We tried some things that maybe we shouldn't have."
[/quote]I hate being right all the time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 07, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 07, 2010, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on January 07, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
Great win for the Hornets. That first half looked really bad but they didn't quit and took control of the game. Both teams were pretty bad from the free throw line so I wouldn't say that was a factor. You guys are pretty hard on CJ....I wouldn't say he lost this game, I'd say the Hornets played harder and thats on the players not the coaches.

CNU can really get hot from 3 but they don't really play much defense and our guys got to the rim at will almost. 1-0 in the conference.....11 games to go! NC Wes next.
 
I wasn't there, of course, and don't know CJ, but it is probably partly on the coach.  The players have to play (and hit their Free Throws), but the Head Coach has to assess the flow of the game, take appropriately-timed TO's, make personnel changes when needed and, above all, make in-game adjustments to plays, assignments and defensive schemes.   I don't think you can put losing an 18-point lead all on the players or the coaches ... the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
HF4L is right that CNU can get hot from the 3-point line but we seem to have opur best efforts when we do not shoot the three very much.  Overall, we are supposed to be a team that relies on its offense.  We don't seem to be very strong defensively by comparison.  That is what scares me most when your team scores 18 points in the second half, TWO GAMES IN A ROW.  Is our conditioning bad?  We play a lot of guys so that shouldn't be it.  So why are we getting killed in the 2nd half?  COACHING!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 07, 2010, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: Hooper4Life on January 07, 2010, 03:13:53 PM
Most teams play the key player/players as often as possible.Check the box score.Not at CNU.....notice the drop in minutes.How important is this formula,check the won loss record!
Good point, new guy.  I don't think that CJ even knows who his key players are.  I thought that Green was our best offensive player but lately he has just shut down.  Blasingame has flashes of brilliance at times but other games it seems that all he wants to do is block shots.  Our other guys are hot/cold also.  Maybe we have 10 players with equal abilities and limitations.  I think the entire team must be frustrated and losing patience with their head coach.  All I know is that after 9 home games and 2 away games we are 5-6 and have to play the #1 team in the country on Saturday.  Doesn't look good, Captains fans. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 07, 2010, 06:30:44 PM
# 12 is CNU's best player. He is a twin of the guy who played for Greensboro a few years ago, I believe his name was Berg. Same type of player. He will be a POTY at some point in his career.

It was an odd game, both Kline and Blasingame were in early foul trouble and it changed the way both teams played. #50 for the home team finally played up to his ability.

This weekend's opponent is always dangerous, NCWC always has crazy talent. Am I reading that Arrington is still there?  I thought he and Hall graduated like two years ago.

I see the 'reports of Averett's demise are greatly exaggerated.'

NCWC on the clock.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 07, 2010, 07:48:54 PM
Looks like the Coach agrees with you ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 07, 2010, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 06, 2010, 07:30:08 PM
Three games getting underway right now -

CNU (5-5) at Shenandoah (3-9)
Ferrum (6-6) at Averett (3-8)
Greensboro (5-5) at Maryville (11-2)
Each of the away teams were right at .500 and all of them lost.  Now there are NO teams in the USASAC who even have a .500 record overall.  All teams are below .500.   :-[
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on January 08, 2010, 10:56:31 AM
Fire CJ? wow the guy has done a great job with that program. If he should be fired who else should be? You do know Davon Barton is gone right? I understand wanting your team to win every game but calling for a guys job on here is a bit much. Unless there is something behind the scenes only those close to the program know about.

Hornets 1-0...bring on NC Wes....I say Hornets by 5 on the road
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 08, 2010, 11:05:25 AM
Anybody know anything about Greensboro's Lewis Owenby?  He was 12 for 12 against Maryville.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 08, 2010, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on January 08, 2010, 10:56:31 AM
Fire CJ? wow the guy has done a great job with that program. If he should be fired who else should be? You do know Davon Barton is gone right? I understand wanting your team to win every game but calling for a guys job on here is a bit much. Unless there is something behind the scenes only those close to the program know about.

Hornets 1-0...bring on NC Wes....I say Hornets by 5 on the road

Yeah Captj is more vocal, now that he is out of the country! :D
I think CJ has done a great job with the program and all the sports programs and to be able to be the AD and hoops coach takes a specially talented person. He's about to win his 500th game. I was lead to believe that the 500 mark was going to come fairly early in the season - CJ needed 13 coming into the year. All the hype about new players and transfers hasn't panned out yet. The first half against SU was superb and I thought the season had turned the corner. Then someone sprinkled toxic pixie dust on the Captains at halftime and now I think Captj may be right - winning 8 more games is going to be a challenge.

CJ should still be the coach and AD if that's what he wants. Hey - maybe Captj can be the new coach...nah...he likes the beach too much! Plus he has to finish that book!!! Where is it Captj??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 08, 2010, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on January 08, 2010, 10:56:31 AM
Fire CJ? wow the guy has done a great job with that program. If he should be fired who else should be? You do know Davon Barton is gone right? I understand wanting your team to win every game but calling for a guys job on here is a bit much. Unless there is something behind the scenes only those close to the program know about.
In the last 6 seasons CNU has been to the NCAA tournament ONE time.  In the 16 seasons prior to that CNU went to the tournament 14 times.  In a period when the other CNU athletic programs have gotten stronger, the men's basketball team has gotten significantly weaker.  In addition to the basketball coach, CJ is the Athletic Director.  He deserves a lot of credit for making the overall athletic department stronger.  However, it is my opinion that the additional effort required to perform both functions has made him neglect the basketball program.  I believe that CNU can do better.  If he quits as AD and focuses on basketball I would be totally satisfied.  He HAS done great things for the program.  He is a living legend in the Dixie/USASAC.  But in basketball you are only as good as your last season, and for CJ and CNU, that isn't very good.  With the resources and facilities we have we should DOMINATE the USASAC.  It is as simple as that.  We DO have an advantage.  A dedicated coach should be able to exploit those advantages.  CJ no longer does.  Additionally, he seems to be making critical coaching mistakes during the games.  I think he doesn't know his own team very well.  Years ago he would trot out a starting five in game one and we would have that same starting five for the NCAA tournament tip off.  These days he can't figure out who to play, and when he makes a decision it is typically wrong.  His time has come and gone at CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 09, 2010, 01:32:26 AM
I am glad someone knows and speaks the truth !
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 09, 2010, 04:22:55 PM
RMC misses their first shot but gets the offensive rebound and then hits a 3-pointer to race off to a 5 point lead.  CNU's next three possessions results in a 35-second violation, a travelling violation and a turnover.  Did I really wake up at 4:30 AM to listen to this?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 09, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
After trailing by as many as 14, CNU cuts the lead to 10 at the half (37-27).  Not too many positives in this one other than 'game's rebounding.  He has 7 and no one else has more than 2.  Mike Green with ZERO rebounds and leads CNU scoring with 5 pts.  Team FG%: CNU 32%, RMC 48%.  Rebounds: CNU 17 (5/12), RMC 22 (5/17).  3-pt FG's: CNU 30% (3/10), RMC 50% (6/12).  After a very bad start CNU settled in and competed with RMC.  Without a streak of 3-ptrs by RMC this would be a close game.  I would be optimistic about the 2nd half if it weren't for what we did in the 2nd half of our last few games.  If we get 18 for the 3rd time in a row there is no chance to win this one.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 09, 2010, 05:46:52 PM
RMC wins.  The game wasn't as close as the final score indicates (80-68).  With 2 minutes remaining RMC lead by 20 and then emptied their bench against CNU's starters.  Good effort for the most part by the Captains.  They fought tough against a better team today.  MUCH better in the 2nd half this game (41 points)!  We seemed to lose hope at the end but at around the 10 minute mark we were within 8 points.  We didn't seem to get back on defense quickly enough.  According to livestats CNU scored at 10:10 and RMC also scored at 10:10.  Now that is a fast break!

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 09, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
                      CNUM             R-MC
Field goals     26-67 38.8%   34-63 54.0%
3-point FGs    6-20 30.0%     9-19 47.4%
Free throws   10-13 76.9%   3-6 50.0%
Reb (O-D)      35 (15-20)      38 (9-29)
Turnovers      15                   16
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 09, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
OK, during the entire game "CaptJ and 1 guest" were logged on here.  Who are you?  Log on, 85.  Stop lurking.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 09, 2010, 09:58:22 PM
the monarchs take another one on the chin today and drop to oh and eleven (maybe if i write it out it doesn't look as bad)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 09, 2010, 10:10:08 PM
Coach changed the starting lineup and spotted RMC a nine point lead.What a great idea against the #1 team in the Country.Man am I missing something ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 09, 2010, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 09, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
OK, during the entire game "CaptJ and 1 guest" were logged on here.  Who are you?  Log on, 85.  Stop lurking.

HAHA...wasn't lurking. I thought the game was later and when I signed on to follow it, it was over.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 09, 2010, 11:31:45 PM
ROCKY MOUNT, N.C. - Host N.C. Wesleyan pulled away with a strong second half Saturday afternoon in a 97-79 USA South Conference men's basketball victory over Shenandoah.

The Bishops (5-8, 1-0 USA South) led by two points at the break and following a pair of lead changes, pulled away midway through the second over SU (4-10, 1-1).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 10, 2010, 01:08:21 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 09, 2010, 11:31:45 PM
ROCKY MOUNT, N.C. - Host N.C. Wesleyan pulled away with a strong second half Saturday afternoon in a 97-79 USA South Conference men's basketball victory over Shenandoah.

The Bishops (5-8, 1-0 USA South) led by two points at the break and following a pair of lead changes, pulled away midway through the second over SU (4-10, 1-1).
I'm happy to see there are some folks who still understand the difference between "led" and "lead'.  They're used incorrectly much too often!  +1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 10, 2010, 08:35:51 AM
Quote from: narch on January 09, 2010, 09:58:22 PM
the monarchs take another one on the chin today and drop to oh and eleven (maybe if i write it out it doesn't look as bad)
Good idea, narch.  Five and seven.  Hmmmm...   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on January 10, 2010, 12:25:03 PM
This CNU team is in trouble right now.  No cohesion.  Too many guys pouting when they come off the floor.  Lots of one on one play on the court.  RMC appeared to be one of the most unselfish basketball teams I have seen. 

Offensively, CNU is too dependent on the outside shot.  It's penthouse or outhouse every game for Going, Xavier, Conley and Jake.  We need a better balance between the inside and outside games.  Xavier is the only guard that can penetrate with his dribble and create openings.  RMC killed the Captains consistently on dribble drives and kick outs for wide open shots.  Greene is a liability on offense.  No post game or outside shot and undersized as a 4 but CJ will never sit him.  Mark needs to be more aggressive establishing post position and the guards need to look to get the ball inside more often.  When he is fed the ball, Mark usually scores.

Defense is an attitude.  CNU doesn't have it.  RMC challenged every passing lane and was all over the ball no matter how far away from  the basket.  They basically challenged the CNU players to drive around them and they couldn't.  Seems to me that we could play the same way rather than repeatedly give up wide open shots and unchallenged baskets.

The merry go round at point guard needs to stop.  Yesterday it was Going then Xav then Hector.  Xavier is the future so let's start the future now.  Better things happen in transition than from the motion offense when the ball is walked up the court.  Quit pulling him every time he makes a freshman mistake.  He makes 2 or 3 nice plays for each turnover.  Hermann has some ups and is the only forward that is willing to take it aggressively to the hoop.  Give some young guys a shot.  The old guard isn't getting it done.  Let's start the youth movement now while we can still salvage the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 10, 2010, 12:33:42 PM
Makes no sense how CNU is a 5-7 team.  I have not seen Methodist at all this year but judging by an 0-11 start, that worries me lol  Greensboro somehow wins, Averett only has Kenny Hart, Ferrum is up n down especially without Krump and at times Mitchell.  NC Wesleyan can get hot as we all know..i heard Shenandoah didnt play bad, ncw just hit some incredible shots and shot lights out in the 2nd half according to the box score. once again, another team with no answer for Kline (10-11 shooting, 7-9 from the line, 27 pts, 8 boards) who's gonna step up and play along with him cuz #0 shot 4-15 last game, why???? beats me. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 10, 2010, 04:59:38 PM
Went to Ashland with a couple of friends to watch RMC-CNU yesterday.  Great atmosphere and RMC is good, very good.  Deep, big and athletic, especially their wing Brown.   If CNU could have made a couple of shots from outside it might have been "more" interesting.   Big stats for me were shooting %; CNU-38.8/RMC-54 and assists CNU-9/RMC-17. 

I totally disagree with giving Parham the keys to the car, by a LONG shot.  While he is "potentially" the future of CNU, he is "WAY" too erratic.  He has to lose the "get mine" attitude and run the doggone offense.  CJs giving him PLENTY of opportunities to "man up."  Kudos to Hector, he did a nice job off the bench running the point. I don't know what the heck to say about the 2's and 3's.  Capin and Taylor can score but both have a tough time with athletic defenders.   Russell is streaky of late, but still very athletic.  I still like Theo; he plays hard at both ends and played very well yesterday.   Our 4s, dunno.  Green can score and has a lot of energy.  But he cannot play defense and doesn't block out.  RMC's size definitely hurt him.  Hermann's is a tough athletic kid, but he settles too much for the outside shot.  Take it to the whole Brian!  Matt Preston always gives solid minutes.  Excellent defensive player and "blocks" out.   B'game had a solid game and they finally made a concerted effort to get him the ball in the second half.  He posts up fine.  Several times he pinned his defensive player, but when the ball swings from the wing to the point they NEVER, EVER look down.  Also, the 4's consistently shoot from 15' why doesn't our 5?  That's the one part of his game I thought CJ would expand to help free him up.   

We looked tired at the end of the game, when it was still somewhat a game.  Matador defense on the perimeter left the inside guys hanging out to dry.   And they were too tired to react.  Not in shape possibly?"The old guard isn't getting it done?"  Who is the old guard?  Only two guys that started from last year are Mark and Mike.   We're 0-1 in conference.  With a few favorable bounces this year we could easily be 8-4, maybe even 9-3.  I'm not quite ready to throw the team under the bus.  I think we'll have a pretty good idea where this team is going after next weekend.  Keep fightin' guys.  Go CAPS. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 10, 2010, 05:10:08 PM
Point well taken! The problem happens to be the fact that RMC was the only team playing inside out basketball.The game is very simple,you pass the ball inside and when they try to double down you kick it back out.Mark and Russell as regular starters are the only ones that understand this concept!You have your Freshman point guard that does not know who,when and where to pass the ball to let alone when to shoot.If that type of play is the future CNU is in trouble.Their was a lot of selfish play going on in that game and it showed.You had a couple of players that passed the ball to their teamates in a timely fashion and the rest were clueless.The end result is a loss that could have easily been a win.There are those that play the game,those that know how to play the game and then there are those that know how to win.Which ones you put on the floor will determine the end result.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 10, 2010, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: cnububba on January 10, 2010, 04:59:38 PMTake it to the whole Brian!
narch, this is your home room, so I'm going to let you handle this.  Please, no holds barred!  On the whole, it's an uncontested lay-up all the way to the hole.  :)

On a more serious note, this is not what we've come to expect from CNU.  Someone's going to win the USASAC, of course, but no team seems to be stepping up as the dominant team at the moment.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 10, 2010, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 10, 2010, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: cnububba on January 10, 2010, 04:59:38 PMOn a more serious note, this is not what we've come to expect from CNU. 

That's the point I've been trying to make again and again. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 10, 2010, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on January 10, 2010, 12:25:03 PM
This CNU team is in trouble right now.  No cohesion.  Too many guys pouting when they come off the floor.  Lots of one on one play on the court.  RMC appeared to be one of the most unselfish basketball teams I have seen. 

Xavier is the only guard that can penetrate with his dribble and create openings.  RMC killed the Captains consistently on dribble drives and kick outs for wide open shots. 


Taylor is also very adept at driving to the basket.  In his rookie year he was amazing at times.  I'm not sure if he has the vision to kick it out when he does though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on January 10, 2010, 05:38:07 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on January 10, 2010, 12:33:42 PM
Makes no sense how CNU is a 5-7 team.  I have not seen Methodist at all this year but judging by an 0-11 start, that worries me lol  Greensboro somehow wins, Averett only has Kenny Hart, Ferrum is up n down especially without Krump and at times Mitchell.  NC Wesleyan can get hot as we all know..i heard Shenandoah didnt play bad, ncw just hit some incredible shots and shot lights out in the 2nd half according to the box score. once again, another team with no answer for Kline (10-11 shooting, 7-9 from the line, 27 pts, 8 boards) who's gonna step up and play along with him cuz #0 shot 4-15 last game, why???? beats me. 


Kline did have a another great game but it looks like NC Wes shot the lights out. But how can you say "Whos gonna play with him" then knock #0 for shooting the ball? I think SU is in good shape for conference play
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 10, 2010, 06:09:48 PM
Taylor actually did a very good job of getting to the basket against RMC as he has against most teams this year.  He had a hard time finishing against their height and athleticism.   One thing for sure, I'd never question the kids toughness. 

Good point hoop, I'm not sure we have the "will" or "know we're gonna win" tude when we step on the court.   We've lost so many close games maybe we're playing not to lose.  I don't know, but bet CJ's been drinking a lot of Maalox or Jack D of late.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 10, 2010, 06:36:59 PM
Remember what happened in the game against Mary Bible College when CNU was playing without  Going and Xavier? Russell went to the point guard position and they went on a 20-2 run in the first half.If I recall correctly they won 101-56,largest margin of victory in 4 years. How soon we tend to forget,I think Hector had 7 assists in that game as well.Russell went 7-8 with 5 threes in a row in the second half.I wonder what was so succesful in that game that can not be duplicated at this point and time.Paul,Hector or Russell can get it done at point guard,but Xavier is killing the team with his decision making.Mike Greene can only go right and will not kick it back out,with 1,2,or 3 people around him.Mark needs help on  both ends of the floor in the paint while he is in the game.Maybe this game is more complicated than I thought.So much for Xavier being the only guard that can drive and kick it back out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 10, 2010, 08:28:58 PM
Current standings:
1-0    6-6 Greensboro     
1-0    5-8 N.C. Wesleyan    
1-1    7-7 Ferrum    
1-1    4-9 Averett    
1-1    4-10 Shenandoah
0-1    5-7 Chris. Newport
0-1    0-11 Methodist

I see it finishing up like this ...

1-NCW
2-Ferrum
3-Greensboro
4-CNU
5-SU
6-Averett
7-Methodist
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: donho on January 10, 2010, 09:07:15 PM
 Hooper4life , you know nothing about b-ball if you think CNU as you put it "just as easily could have been a win"   at R-MC. You must have been in a different gym watching a different game. Then in talking about playing Maryland Bible you try to compare them to a b-ball team. Come on man ! You double up on a team and want to compare Maryland Bible to R-MC. Better start watching another sport.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 10, 2010, 09:59:50 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 10, 2010, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 10, 2010, 05:14:08 PM
On a more serious note, this is not what we've come to expect from CNU. 
That's the point I've been trying to make again and again. 
And I've heard you loud and clear, CaptJ!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 10, 2010, 10:12:22 PM
Quote from: donho on January 10, 2010, 09:07:15 PM
Hooper4life , you know nothing about b-ball if you think CNU as you put it "just as easily could have been a win"   at R-MC. You must have been in a different gym watching a different game. Then in talking about playing Maryland Bible you try to compare them to a b-ball team. Come on man ! You double up on a team and want to compare Maryland Bible to R-MC. Better start watching another sport.
When donho speaks, tiny bubbles fly.  From what I've read here and in the boxscore, the RMC contest didn't seem like a game CNU ever had a real chance to win.  And although Maryland Bible shocked the Captains in recent memory, that was an opponent over which even a .500 USASAC or ODAC team should romp with relative ease.  donho's strumming the right ukulele!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 10, 2010, 10:47:13 PM
Some people talk the game and some people have played the game.Based on your statements I can tell the difference.If UNC could lose a recent game as well as Kansas tonight losing to Tennesee with walk-ons..........I think it is safe to say one of us is way off base.....Frankly I rest my case....hang tough one day you will truly understand the merits of this simple game.I was at the game and understood the positive and negative aspects that influenced the game.I tend to speak based on facts not from an emotional standpoint.You missed a very important point in the previous topic,it was not who CNU was playing but the lineup that mattered.That is next level basketball in case you did not understand!Anyone that has ever truly played and not just run up and down the floor understands this simple concept.Those that have studied the game know this as well.Please accept my humble apologies.........
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 11, 2010, 02:21:43 PM
I see it finishing up like this ...

1-NCW
2-CNU
3-SU
4-Ferrum
5-Greensboro
6-Averett
7-Methodist

POTY:  Trey Drake
ROTY:  Chakiris Moss

1st team:
Drake, Stokes, Mitchell, Kline, Green
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: donho on January 11, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
 Hooper4life,  Simple game indeed. And like a cup many are half empty.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 12, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
SU loses nonconference game to southern Virginia 93-79. Kline wasn't in the box score and recap said he's injured so he better be good by Saturday or SU is in a lot of trouble. Some guy went 11-11 from the field six threes and finished with 36 for southern Virginia...unreal
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on January 12, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
SU loses nonconference game to southern Virginia 93-79. Kline wasn't in the box score and recap said he's injured so he better be good by Saturday or SU is in a lot of trouble. Some guy went 11-11 from the field six threes and finished with 36 for southern Virginia...unreal
Yeah, not too shabby:

HOME: Southern Virginia ( 10-4)
                         TOT-FG  3-PT           REBOUNDS  
NO PLAYER               P FG FGA FG FGA FT FTA OFF DEF TOT PF TP  A TO BK  S MIN
4 Evans, Cory          F 11  11   6     6  8   10   3      3     6   3   36  1  4  0    2  29+


SU held the other guys to 18 of 43, so that's a positive!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 12, 2010, 10:57:48 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
SU held the other guys to 18 of 43, so that's a positive!  :)

+1 karma for you Hasa!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 13, 2010, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 12, 2010, 10:57:48 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
SU held the other guys to 18 of 43, so that's a positive!  :)

+1 karma for you Hasa!
Thanks.  If you're an SU fan, all you can do is smile, shake your head and get ready for the next game if some guy goes off like that.  That's one of the best boxscores I've ever seen!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on January 14, 2010, 12:56:52 AM
A much needed 10 point win tonight for CNU and #493 for CJ.  It will be tight but more games like tonight and I think we'll see #500 this season.   The team played with more energy.  It was good to see them get after NCW defensively with the half court trap and disrupt the offensive flow.

I liked the lineup change CJ made starting Theo at 2 guard although Jake was en fuego so Theo came out early in each half.  I think he could have gone back in and spelled Josh at 3 rather than Conley who is too small to play forward and gets mismatched against the bigger guys.

I was a little perplexed by the end of game substitution pattern as the Turnover Trio of Hector, Jake and Greene did their best not to give up the entire 20 point lead over the last 5 minutes while Xavier, Josh and Theo watched from the bench.  Seemed like we should have had our best and quickest ball handlers in there to close out the game.

I know nobody on this site agrees with me but I see a huge difference in the speed of the game when the X Man goes in to play point.  The kid just takes it up a notch.  Aggressive man defense, steals, fast breaks and points in bunches.  I still think that he's our guy.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 14, 2010, 08:24:33 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on January 12, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
SU loses nonconference game to southern Virginia 93-79. Kline wasn't in the box score and recap said he's injured so he better be good by Saturday or SU is in a lot of trouble. Some guy went 11-11 from the field six threes and finished with 36 for southern Virginia...unreal
Yeah, not too shabby:

HOME: Southern Virginia ( 10-4)
                         TOT-FG  3-PT           REBOUNDS  
NO PLAYER               P FG FGA FG FGA FT FTA OFF DEF TOT PF TP  A TO BK  S MIN
4 Evans, Cory          F 11  11   6     6  8   10   3      3     6   3   36  1  4  0    2  29+


SU held the other guys to 18 of 43, so that's a positive!  :)
Oh, come on.  He isn't that special.  He sucks at shooting free throws.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 14, 2010, 08:26:30 AM
I've been travelling the last few days so I missed the CNU game.  It seems like we played one of our best games of the year.  I hope this is the start of something good.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 14, 2010, 01:55:44 PM
oh and twelve...hey, did anyone notice the inagural usasac hall of fame (http://www.usasouth.net/news/09hof.htm)...40% monarchs! (and all well deserved, i might add) - of course, the inclusion of lamont strothers is probably more germane for this board...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PrideFan1986 on January 14, 2010, 02:43:43 PM
Hey guys, I hope that things are looking up for your teams at this point in the season. I have something that I have never seen before in ANY DIII game last night. In the final seconds of regulation last night here in Greensboro, GC was down by 3 to FC. GC had the ball and misses a 3 to tie but FC rebounded the ball and fell to the ground for a traveling call. So GC gets the ball back with just over 4 sec. on the clock.  The ball was put in play, and GC got a 3 off at the horn and was ruled the shot was good on the court. BUT WAIT, right before they got set to start the OT period I look up and here come the officials to THE GAME TAPE AND REVIEWED IT. It was a great shot by Pernell Davis that went in. After review it was deemed a good basket. HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN A MONITOR (GAME FILM) REVIEW IN DIII BY THE OFFICIALS!!!!  It was a first for me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 14, 2010, 06:31:52 PM
The CNU game was a timely win ! Russell was actually at the 2 spot and Theo was at the 3 spot.That is why Conley spelled Russell.The main thing is the fact that Hector was a better floor General and gave the freshman a chance to see what is expected of him by the Coaches.Most teams would not allow their starters to sit so early in the second half.It caused a big concern in the second half when the guard shot a three for NCWC and it rimed out.That shot would have cut a 20 pt lead to single digits.It is true that Xavier was getting steals,but he turned around and gave it back to the other team.A vital piece remaining to the puzzle is getting someone in the lineup besides Green.I think Matt or Loren would be a better fit for the team.Either one would give Mark the help he needs in size and strength down low on both ends of the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 14, 2010, 07:07:28 PM
Hoops Xavier is definitely the point guard of the future.  I have a love-hate relationship with his play.  Sometimes he is a little out of control, but last night he made a couple of excellent interior passes; one to Green and another to B'game.  Just keep it simple X-man. 

I was really glad CJ started the seniors.  NCWs fast start might have rattled the young guys.  The substitution pattern late in the second half was a little strange.   Not only did he have Xavier, Josh and Theo sitting, B'game sat on the bench for 5+ minutes.  Little strange putting him in the last 60 seconds.  He was c-o-l-d and it showed when he was fouled and bricked the free throws.  He did recover to make a nice block on a Drake drive. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 14, 2010, 07:15:56 PM
cnububba,great observation and points well taken......thx.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 14, 2010, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: narch on January 14, 2010, 01:55:44 PM
oh and twelve...hey, did anyone notice the inagural usasac hall of fame (http://www.usasouth.net/news/09hof.htm)...40% monarchs! (and all well deserved, i might add) - of course, the inclusion of lamont strothers is probably more germane for this board...
Wow, that list is amazing.  What an exclusive club!  Every selection is quite deserving.  If they keep the standards that high there won't be many new members.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 14, 2010, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 14, 2010, 08:24:33 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on January 12, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
SU loses nonconference game to southern Virginia 93-79. Kline wasn't in the box score and recap said he's injured so he better be good by Saturday or SU is in a lot of trouble. Some guy went 11-11 from the field six threes and finished with 36 for southern Virginia...unreal
Yeah, not too shabby:

HOME: Southern Virginia ( 10-4)
                         TOT-FG  3-PT           REBOUNDS  
NO PLAYER               P FG FGA FG FGA FT FTA OFF DEF TOT PF TP  A TO BK  S MIN
4 Evans, Cory          F 11  11   6     6  8   10   3      3     6   3   36  1  4  0    2  29+


SU held the other guys to 18 of 43, so that's a positive!  :)
Oh, come on.  He isn't that special.  He sucks at shooting free throws.   ;)
You're right.  He should've had 38!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 14, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 14, 2010, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 14, 2010, 08:24:33 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 12, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on January 12, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
SU loses nonconference game to southern Virginia 93-79. Kline wasn't in the box score and recap said he's injured so he better be good by Saturday or SU is in a lot of trouble. Some guy went 11-11 from the field six threes and finished with 36 for southern Virginia...unreal
Yeah, not too shabby:

HOME: Southern Virginia ( 10-4)
                         TOT-FG  3-PT           REBOUNDS  
NO PLAYER               P FG FGA FG FGA FT FTA OFF DEF TOT PF TP  A TO BK  S MIN
4 Evans, Cory          F 11  11   6     6  8   10   3      3     6   3   36  1  4  0    2  29+


SU held the other guys to 18 of 43, so that's a positive!  :)
Oh, come on.  He isn't that special.  He suck onlys at shooting free throws.   ;)
You're right.  He should've had 38!  :)
I guess he can be forgiven for shooting only 80% from the charity stripe.  LOL
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 14, 2010, 11:29:45 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on January 14, 2010, 12:56:52 AM
I know nobody on this site agrees with me but I see a huge difference in the speed of the game when the X Man goes in to play point.  The kid just takes it up a notch.  Aggressive man defense, steals, fast breaks and points in bunches.  I still think that he's our guy.

I wouldn't say that NOBODY agrees.  It is clear that this is not going to be a standout season for CNU.  In light of that I'm all for giving a guy the opportunity to grow into a position he seems destined to hold in the future, even if there are a few growing pains now.  However, is he really the future of the position?  I haven't seen the games soo I don't know.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 16, 2010, 06:11:06 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 14, 2010, 02:43:43 PM
Hey guys, I hope that things are looking up for your teams at this point in the season. I have something that I have never seen before in ANY DIII game last night. In the final seconds of regulation last night here in Greensboro, GC was down by 3 to FC. GC had the ball and misses a 3 to tie but FC rebounded the ball and fell to the ground for a traveling call. So GC gets the ball back with just over 4 sec. on the clock.  The ball was put in play, and GC got a 3 off at the horn and was ruled the shot was good on the court. BUT WAIT, right before they got set to start the OT period I look up and here come the officials to THE GAME TAPE AND REVIEWED IT. It was a great shot by Pernell Davis that went in. After review it was deemed a good basket. HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN A MONITOR (GAME FILM) REVIEW IN DIII BY THE OFFICIALS!!!!  It was a first for me.
Not me, gullett.  What does everyone think about this?  I'm in the "get the call right" camp, especially critically important calls like the one described.  We've got the technology so I say we should use it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 16, 2010, 09:18:57 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 16, 2010, 06:11:06 AM
Quote from: GCGullett on January 14, 2010, 02:43:43 PM
Hey guys, I hope that things are looking up for your teams at this point in the season. I have something that I have never seen before in ANY DIII game last night. In the final seconds of regulation last night here in Greensboro, GC was down by 3 to FC. GC had the ball and misses a 3 to tie but FC rebounded the ball and fell to the ground for a traveling call. So GC gets the ball back with just over 4 sec. on the clock.  The ball was put in play, and GC got a 3 off at the horn and was ruled the shot was good on the court. BUT WAIT, right before they got set to start the OT period I look up and here come the officials to THE GAME TAPE AND REVIEWED IT. It was a great shot by Pernell Davis that went in. After review it was deemed a good basket. HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN A MONITOR (GAME FILM) REVIEW IN DIII BY THE OFFICIALS!!!!  It was a first for me.
Not me, gullett.  What does everyone think about this?  I'm in the "get the call right" camp, especially critically important calls like the one described.  We've got the technology so I say we should use it.
What a travesty there was when the officials said they couldn't use the monitor to review play in the Wittenberg/Case Western Reserve women's game about a month ago.  CWR was credited with a Wittenberg basket and eventually "won" the game, 60-58.  If the basket was correctly posted, then, guess what, Wittenberg wins.  The fans knew it, the folks at the scorers' table knew it, but, evidently, the officials said they couldn't do anything about it.  That was, to me, a case where a review was the right thing to do!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 16, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
AU destroys the Captains.  Cougars led by as many as 25.  There was nothing good about this game from the CNU perspective.  Captains now 6-8, 1-2.  A few weeks ago I welcomed the beginning of the conference schedule but it appears there will be no relief for the pitiful Captains this year.  We are a mediocre (at best) team in a very weak conference.  Disgusting. 

Now we have to go to Ferrum who just lost at home to Shenandoah.  They should be very hungry and ready to play.  I predict 6-9, 1-3. 

How long can CJ deny responsibility for the demise of this program?  I'm sure he will just blame the players.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 16, 2010, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 16, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
Now we have to go to Ferrum who just lost at home to Shenandoah.  They should be very hungry and ready to play. 

CaptJ I would hate to play them next.  I counted 11 lead changes in the second half, but it came down to points in the paint for the Hornets today, outscoring the panthers 26-16 down low. SU still did not have an answer for Mitchell, he put up another double-double. Schrader picked up the slack in the second half, especially the 3-ball he hit at the end of the game to pull away. A good win for the Hornets, it's tough to steal away games.

It looks like SU is going to need double figures from all 5 starters against AU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 16, 2010, 07:19:01 PM
Blasingame with 7 points and 3 rebounds.  The smaller opponent he matched up with went off for 21 points and 6 rebounds.  And BTW, that guy is only playing his 2nd season with AU.  His first year he averaged 2 and 2 per game.  Seems like he has improved significantly as a player.  Does anyone still want to argue that B'game is better now than he was 3 years ago?   

I asked this question before but I don't recall any responese... what do players do in the 7-8 month offseason?  I think that CNU players must go to the beach a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 16, 2010, 08:15:26 PM
They spend way to much time trying to pound the ball down low.Joshua had one shot in the first half.Until the team understands the fact that Joshua is their best player and is the pulse of the team,they will continue to lose.He takes the pressure off the other players and causes other teams to spread the floor.This enables Mark to have single coverage and he is tough to cover.He also gets the ball to the other players in a timely fashion which creates a constant flow to the offense.It is a shame that the Coaches at CNU do not know how to use a weapon like this.Instead if you have noticed he has to wait in the corner while his teamates decide if they are going to pass or shoot.Hermann shooting 20 footers,Green forcing shots going one way in double coverage and the pt. guards trying to impersonate shooting guards.If only players knew their roles!Most teams give their best players the green light as long as they are productive and smart.This does not appear to be the case at CNU.It is truly a shame to see a really good team look average.I have to agree with Capt J on who is ultimately responsibe for this mess!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 16, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
Good win for SU over Ferrum.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 16, 2010, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 16, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
Good win for SU over Ferrum.
Understatement.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 17, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
OUTSTANDING win for SU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 17, 2010, 01:55:11 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 17, 2010, 10:50:14 AM
Watched the live video feed of the Averett game yesterday.  Kudos to the Cougars, they shot lights out.  However, CNU is NOT committed on the defensive end--AT ALL.  Perimeter defense was horrible, interior defense not much better.  Offensively 20 TOs.   We cut the lead to 9 at the beginning of the second half,  then careless TOs  killed us!   NO chemistry on this team.   I like Josh, but the pulse of the team?  Not seeing that one, collectively it SHOULD be our seniors. 

I don't think they try and pound it inside at all.  I've seen every home game and the RMC game. I've seen no commitment to an inside game.  They try it once or twice, then it's back to shooting threes.     If I was 6'8" I'd get a little tired of  rebounding, blocking shots running down to the offensive end and not touching the ball.   That's on the coach.

Sure all of the players are pretty frustrated--probably understatement of the year!  I KNOW the fans are! >:(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hooper4Life on January 17, 2010, 11:36:29 AM
Duely noted and thx...cnububba!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 17, 2010, 11:56:46 AM
SU plays at Averett today - if they can pull out another W..sitting 3-1 in the conference would be HUGE by sweeping road conference games but Averett is so tough at home..hopefully they made everything yesterday.  Different Shenandoah players are stepping up and I love what I'm seeing from this team here of late.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 17, 2010, 12:22:57 PM
Hey Hooper I think we all want the same thing....a new coach :D...no, no...what we REALLY want are some wins!  Sadly losing breeds second guessing and insubordination.  I hope that's not the case, but again, I'm sure the players are pretty doggone frustrated.  

Looks like it might be SU's year; 8-4 will probably take the conference.  If the Hornets take Averett today they're in the drivers seat.  We'll probably send a .500 team or less to the NCAAs.  With the exception of the Monarchs (the way this year is going not even counting them out) anyone is capable of taking the USA South tournament championship.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 17, 2010, 06:11:59 PM
Big weekend for the Hornets!  ;D   Stole a second game in a row today. I can't remember the last time SU has swept a road trip in the conference, was it February 1958?  

SU was facing some tough situations with the PG Roberts getting t-ed up with 15 minutes left in the game and fouling out. The game was simular to the FC game yesterday, with SU getting some calls going against them. It sounded like a very physical game, but the Hornets stayed strong. Huge bucket from Dudley to win with seconds left.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2010, 07:22:44 PM
So CNU has a guy who was Bay Rivers POTY walking around campus this semester after transfering from Hampden-Sydney and there's "no room for him" on a sub .500 team....and yet we have guys with 3 fouls and 2 turnovers in 4 minutes in today's game? Ok - I'm clueless then. I am not smarter than a fifth grader.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 17, 2010, 07:47:37 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 17, 2010, 07:22:44 PM
So CNU has a guy who was Bay Rivers POTY walking around campus this semester after transfering from Hampden-Sydney and there's "no room for him" on a sub .500 team....and yet we have guys with 3 fouls and 2 turnovers in 4 minutes in today's game? Ok - I'm clueless then. I am not smarter than a fifth grader.

Ask our Hall of Fame coach. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 17, 2010, 08:27:24 PM
Does Sherwood have 4 years of eligibility?   Looks like he did get in one game for H-S.  Not sure what the rules are for D-III.   I saw that wonderful little blurb in the DP this past week about him leaving.  A little hard to pass judgement on CJ without knowing the "whole" story. 

Besides, CNU already has enough team chemistry problems.  Why add another 2 or 3 unless a SERIOUS upgrade on the four guys already playing there? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 17, 2010, 08:44:31 PM
not sure about eligibility, Bubba. Maybe he keeps a year and he comes on the team when theo graduates??????? I dunno. The more I think I know, the less I understand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 17, 2010, 08:55:30 PM
It would be super if Sherwood had four years.  I remember he was recruited by CJ and chose H-S over CNU.  Hopefully he'll be as productive as Tabb high great Jeremy Romeo. 

Regardless welcome aboard Steve Sherwood and look forward to watching you play the next three or four (hopefully!) years!   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 17, 2010, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2010, 06:11:59 PM
Big weekend for the Hornets!  ;D   Stole a second game in a row today. I can't remember the last time SU has swept a road trip in the conference, was it February 1958?  

SU was facing some tough situations with the PG Roberts getting t-ed up with 15 minutes left in the game and fouling out. The game was simular to the FC game yesterday, with SU getting some calls going against them. It sounded like a very physical game, but the Hornets stayed strong. Huge bucket from Dudley to win with seconds left.



The kids are playing with a purpose.  The Kline and Schrader kids are big leaders on that squad!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 18, 2010, 05:05:21 AM
I wonder if this guy Sherwood knew what a mess he was getting himself into. 

Congrats to the Captains for a great win.  Seven and eight.  Hmmm... this still isn't working for me narch.  Anyway, CJ just needs 6 more victories to reach 500.  Here is what we have remaining on the schedule -

Methodist (0-2)    EXCELLENT chance for a win.
Greensboro (7-8, 1-2)   Good chance for a win.
Shenandoah (6-11, 3-1)  Not likely.  These guys will want revenge.
St. Mary's (home  13-2)  NO chance
at NCW (6-9, 2-1)  No way.
Averett (6-10, 3-2)   No way. CJ is their b!t@# this year.
Ferrum  (8-9, 2-3)  Good chance.
at Greensboro  Not likely.
at Methodist   Good chance but not definite.
1st round conference tournament.  Bet the farm on a loss here.

Add them up and it does NOT equal 500 wins for the HOF coach in Newport News.  I hope I am wrong because there is not a chance in the world that he will retire if he is short this year.  Get it?  "Short." ;D

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!!!!

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on January 18, 2010, 09:19:47 AM
DP said that Sherwood quit the team after the first game.  Perhaps an attitude problem?  Don't know anything about the guy's situation but it sounds like there is more to the story.  Besides, where would you play a 6'4" freshman with 10 games left?  You're not going to sit Conley, Jake, Theo or Josh and we already have Hermann, Clarkson and Farris on the bench itching for minutes.  Better to let the guy join the team in the Fall and earn his minutes in practice like everyone else.

Of greater concern was the rebounding over the weekend.  In addition to getting out-rebounded 78-66 as a team, did you see that we gave up 36 offensive boards in two games including 10 to Ferrum's manchild?  I was happy to see us get one win but it's a little scary when you grab 45 defensive rebounds and give up 36 offensive rebounds at your end of the court.  That's a lot of second chance points.  Our bigs need to put bodies on people when the ball goes up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2010, 10:37:09 AM
narch, oh and thirteen.  I didn't see this one coming for the Monarchs.  What's happening in Fayetteville?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on January 18, 2010, 12:44:31 PM
Looks like this race is gonna be between SU and NCW...maybe Averett and CNU can get back in it though.  The Hornets seem to be putting it together. A tough win at Ferrum and an even tougher win at Averett shows what this team can do.

Even more impressive was they won without PG Robertson on Sunday who fouled out VERY early due to a quick tech.  Up next are Greensboro and Methodist at home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 18, 2010, 01:39:09 PM
Now I normally just go to the women's games but here of late, I've been staying for the Men's figuring they play back to back and I tell ya what, this is a different Hornet team than what I saw in the beginning of the year.  This team has a fire lit under them since conference play started.  They came into Averett on Sunday and got into Averett right from the get go with their defensive pressure and normally its Averett who's bringing the pressure.  This Hornet squad isn't backing down to no one so far...wish the girls could step up after back to back tough losses.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2010, 10:37:09 AMWhat's happening in Fayetteville?   ???
i think i've put my finger on it, but i'm not sure...too many 2 guards, not enough talented bigs or pg's...carnes is the only "post" playing significant minutes day in and day out, and he likes to drift and shoot the 3...the pg's have not played consistently (they're young...i expected that to be the case before the season) - it's hard to believe, but i know there is a good amount of individual talent on the team...i just don't think there is a lineup that is talented enough as a group, right now...

great weekend for the hornets...they have stamped themselves contenders, that's for sure
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 18, 2010, 02:49:50 PM
I had conversation today over lunch with a man who is in the know and he informed me that this year's CNU team is the definitely not one of the better teams.  He said USA-South is down for the overall quality of play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 18, 2010, 06:11:51 PM
I had lunch a few days ago with this guy who is a real football whiz and he told me that the Pittsburgh Steelers aren't very good this year.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 18, 2010, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2010, 06:11:51 PM
I had lunch a few days ago with this guy who is a real football whiz and he told me that the Pittsburgh Steelers aren't very good this year.   ::)
LMAO  ;D :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 18, 2010, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2010, 10:37:09 AMWhat's happening in Fayetteville?   ???
i think i've put my finger on it, but i'm not sure...too many 2 guards, not enough talented bigs or pg's...carnes is the only "post" playing significant minutes day in and day out, and he likes to drift and shoot the 3...the pg's have not played consistently (they're young...i expected that to be the case before the season) - it's hard to believe, but i know there is a good amount of individual talent on the team...i just don't think there is a lineup that is talented enough as a group, right now...

great weekend for the hornets...they have stamped themselves contenders, that's for sure
Narch, great to have you back on the d3.ChristopherNewportConference.com board, where you can post on all things CNU. In order for you to catch up, current post topics include;

1) CJ to fire himself in league play while rehiring himself for the tournament.
2) CaptJ and CJ to make up on Oprah Special
3) CNU85 drinks the koolaid and posts that CNU may only finish 2nd
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2010, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 18, 2010, 07:39:02 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2010, 06:11:51 PM
I had lunch a few days ago with this guy who is a real football whiz and he told me that the Pittsburgh Steelers aren't very good this year.   ::)
LMAO  ;D :D
Funny.   I'm not "in the know", but I predict (bold, I know) that the USASAC will only get the AQ in the NCAA tournament this year.  Bank it!  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2010, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2010, 10:37:09 AMWhat's happening in Fayetteville?   ???
i think i've put my finger on it, but i'm not sure...too many 2 guards, not enough talented bigs or pg's...carnes is the only "post" playing significant minutes day in and day out, and he likes to drift and shoot the 3...the pg's have not played consistently (they're young...i expected that to be the case before the season) - it's hard to believe, but i know there is a good amount of individual talent on the team...i just don't think there is a lineup that is talented enough as a group, right now...

great weekend for the hornets...they have stamped themselves contenders, that's for sure
The Monarchs will be back, but a season such as this is tough.  I think your guys will pick up a couple in league play before it's over.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 18, 2010, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 18, 2010, 02:49:50 PM
I had conversation today over lunch with a man who is in the know and he informed me that this year's CNU team is the definitely not one of the better teams.  He said USA-South is down for the overall quality of play.

I'm glad that got a chuckle out of everyone.  Folks need to laugh a bit and quit being so negative.  No doubt about it, USA-South is in a down year, can we move on already and focus on some positives things.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2010, 03:05:39 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 18, 2010, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 18, 2010, 02:49:50 PM
I had conversation today over lunch with a man who is in the know and he informed me that this year's CNU team is the definitely not one of the better teams.  He said USA-South is down for the overall quality of play.

I'm glad that got a chuckle out of everyone.  Folks need to laugh a bit and quit being so negative.  No doubt about it, USA-South is in a down year, can we move on already and focus on some positives things.
Hey Fan, thanks for not being sensitive about the feedback.  You're right that we should focus on positives.  The reality is that because of the automatic qualification, some USASAC team is going to add a NCAA Tournament banner to their collection this year.  Here is a question that someone might know right off the top of their head... is there a team that has NEVER won conference and gone to the dance?  IMHO, CNU is undeserving this year and that team might have an extra fan pulling for them this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2010, 03:06:50 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 18, 2010, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 18, 2010, 02:49:50 PM
I had conversation today over lunch with a man who is in the know and he informed me that this year's CNU team is the definitely not one of the better teams.  He said USA-South is down for the overall quality of play.

I'm glad that got a chuckle out of everyone.  Folks need to laugh a bit and quit being so negative.  No doubt about it, USA-South is in a down year, can we move on already and focus on some positives things.

+1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2010, 03:11:44 AM
Quote from: SU97 on January 18, 2010, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: narch on January 18, 2010, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 18, 2010, 10:37:09 AMWhat's happening in Fayetteville?   ???
i think i've put my finger on it, but i'm not sure...too many 2 guards, not enough talented bigs or pg's...carnes is the only "post" playing significant minutes day in and day out, and he likes to drift and shoot the 3...the pg's have not played consistently (they're young...i expected that to be the case before the season) - it's hard to believe, but i know there is a good amount of individual talent on the team...i just don't think there is a lineup that is talented enough as a group, right now...

great weekend for the hornets...they have stamped themselves contenders, that's for sure
Narch, great to have you back on the d3.ChristopherNewportConference.com board, where you can post on all things CNU. In order for you to catch up, current post topics include;

1) CJ to fire himself in league play while rehiring himself for the tournament.
2) CaptJ and CJ to make up on Oprah Special
3) CNU85 drinks the koolaid and posts that CNU may only finish 2nd

Ellen, maybe.  But not Oprah.  Isn't her show filmed in Chicago? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2010, 02:09:33 PM
after another non-competitive loss last night and in the spirit of only talking about positives, i've decided i will only post the outcome of games the monarchs win this season...i'll still post, mind you, but not about monarch outcomes...too depressing right now

'nova, i'm glad to hear that you think the monarchs will be back...i think they will, as well - i was talking to a friend today about what "might have been" this season had a couple things happened from a recruit/player standpoint - the monarchs lost a 6'9" post who had committed when a d2 scooped him up late this summer, then connor leaves for st. andrews...imagine, if you will, a lineup that had connor, the 6'9" recruit, carnes (who is averaging 17 and 7 and could swing from 3 to 4), along with sigman, jernigan and the slew of other talented guards...there would still be a matter of finding consistency at the pg position, but that team would be very competitive, i think...

alas, what could have been is not...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 19, 2010, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2010, 02:09:33 PM
i was talking to a friend today about what "might have been" this season had a couple things happened from a recruit/player standpoint - the monarchs lost a 6'9" post who had committed when a d2 scooped him up late this summer, then connor leaves for st. andrews...imagine, if you will, a lineup that had connor, the 6'9" recruit, carnes (who is averaging 17 and 7 and could swing from 3 to 4), along with sigman, jernigan and the slew of other talented guards...there would still be a matter of finding consistency at the pg position, but that team would be very competitive, i think...

alas, what could have been is not...
That PG position would have been held down by the freshman phenom LueMichael Smith from two years ago, this would have been his Junior year... 

Hang in there Narch, you guys will be back. These things go in cycles.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 19, 2010, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 19, 2010, 03:05:39 AM
Here is a question that someone might know right off the top of their head... is there a team that has NEVER won conference and gone to the dance?  IMHO, CNU is undeserving this year and that team might have an extra fan pulling for them this year.

I researched this and it looks like Shenandoah has never won the conference tournament.  I doubt they have been given an at-large berth in the NCAA tournament.  If my Captains don't win it this year I am pulling for the Hornets.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 19, 2010, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 19, 2010, 04:56:10 PM
That PG position would have been held down by the freshman phenom LueMichael Smith from two years ago, this would have been his Junior year... 

Hang in there Narch, you guys will be back. These things go in cycles.
luemichael couldn't play point, but i think he could have developed into one heck of a wing...but that's playing EXTREME what-if...

captj - i'm pulling for the monarchs to peak at tourney time...but if they don't, i'm with ya on the hornets...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 19, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: narch on January 19, 2010, 02:09:33 PM
after another non-competitive loss last night and in the spirit of only talking about positives, i've decided i will only post the outcome of games the monarchs win this season...i'll still post, mind you, but not about monarch outcomes...too depressing right now

'nova, i'm glad to hear that you think the monarchs will be back...i think they will, as well - i was talking to a friend today about what "might have been" this season had a couple things happened from a recruit/player standpoint - the monarchs lost a 6'9" post who had committed when a d2 scooped him up late this summer, then connor leaves for st. andrews...imagine, if you will, a lineup that had connor, the 6'9" recruit, carnes (who is averaging 17 and 7 and could swing from 3 to 4), along with sigman, jernigan and the slew of other talented guards...there would still be a matter of finding consistency at the pg position, but that team would be very competitive, i think...

alas, what could have been is not...
While playing that "what if" game, think about Jordan Snipes leaving MU after his freshman year to transfer to Guilford and also Ben Strong deciding to go to Guilford (he was also recruited at MU).  Those two decisions alone have changed the complexion of MBB at both schools for the past six years at least.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 19, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 19, 2010, 06:21:39 PM
I researched this and it looks like Shenandoah has never won the conference tournament.  I doubt they have been given an at-large berth in the NCAA tournament.  If my Captains don't win it this year I am pulling for the Hornets.

You are correct. SU holds no titles in the DIAC or USASAC, the last conference title was in the ESAC. It's been a while since the Hornets played in the NCAA tournament, I'm not 100% sure but I think the last NCAA appearances for SU were in 1989, 1991 and 1995. SU was close in 2003, losing in the finals of the USASAC and finishing 10-4 in conference.

IMHO it's WAY to early to talk about who's getting the AQ, much less who will win the league title. Any team can get hot for a weekend and change the title chase. We will know more in two weeks. There are too many variables at play right now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 19, 2010, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 19, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
While playing that "what if" game, think about Jordan Snipes leaving MU after his freshman year to transfer to Guilford and also Ben Strong deciding to go to Guilford (he was also recruited at MU).  Those two decisions alone have changed the complexion of MBB at both schools for the past six years at least.

Maybe just a little   :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2010, 08:04:00 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 19, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
While playing that "what if" game, think about Jordan Snipes leaving MU after his freshman year to transfer to Guilford and also Ben Strong deciding to go to Guilford (he was also recruited at MU).  Those two decisions alone have changed the complexion of MBB at both schools for the past six years at least.
i'm not sure how close ben ever was to becoming a monarch, but losing snipes hurt...we could have used a few full-court shots :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 20, 2010, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: narch on January 20, 2010, 08:04:00 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 19, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
While playing that "what if" game, think about Jordan Snipes leaving MU after his freshman year to transfer to Guilford and also Ben Strong deciding to go to Guilford (he was also recruited at MU).  Those two decisions alone have changed the complexion of MBB at both schools for the past six years at least.
i'm not sure how close ben ever was to becoming a monarch, but losing snipes hurt...we could have used a few full-court shots :)
Snipes certainly hit two of the biggest for the Quakers - one versus RMC and one versus Lincoln in the NCAA's.  Not just game-changing shots, but more like season-changers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 20, 2010, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 19, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
I'm not 100% sure but I think the last NCAA appearances for SU were in 1989, 1991 and 1995. SU was close in 2003, losing in the finals of the USASAC and finishing 10-4 in conference.

Correction: 1996
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on January 20, 2010, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 20, 2010, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 19, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
I'm not 100% sure but I think the last NCAA appearances for SU were in 1989, 1991 and 1995. SU was close in 2003, losing in the finals of the USASAC and finishing 10-4 in conference.

Correction: 1996

Correction: 2010 ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 20, 2010, 06:51:35 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on January 20, 2010, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 20, 2010, 05:25:23 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 19, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
I'm not 100% sure but I think the last NCAA appearances for SU were in 1989, 1991 and 1995. SU was close in 2003, losing in the finals of the USASAC and finishing 10-4 in conference.

Correction: 1996

Correction: 2010 ;)
That would be cool.  But the Hornets have a LOT of hoops yet to play this season, and the reality is that the banner is up for grabs and any team has a shot at it.  Even my Captains.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 04:20:53 AM
Now everyone knows it... the best basketball player at CNU is a girl.  Lady Captains 16-0.  No problem recruiting into the women's program. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 23, 2010, 09:21:28 AM
I still think NCW and CNU are the teams to beat...  but it's a colossal weekend for the Hornets. You have to win your home games. If SU really wants to make a push for the league title, then they have to win both games. That would push them to 5-1 and I think the second half schedule is a kinder-gentler machine gun hand...  FC, AU and NCW make the trip to Winchester in the second half, which should give a little more hope to the Hornets chances.

It all starts this weekend. Go Hornets!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 05:43:51 PM
Whoop, whoop, whoop... CNU is a .500 team again!!!!  We beat a winless team to go to 8-8.  Methodist fought hard in a hostile environment .  CJ must be so proud of win number 495.  Only 5 more to go!!!!

GO CAPTAINS!    FIRE CJ!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on January 23, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
Any win is a good win but everything seemed backwards.  The little guys in green consistently ran the court and penetrated to the hoop while the bigger guys in white were content to walk it up and pass it around the perimeter.  Good things happened when we pushed the ball.  I was excited to see Mark take the first possession on the block and score but we rarely saw that again.  Why not take advantage of a 4" height advantage?  The ten point burst right before half was a backbreaker for MU.

Play the Freshman more.  The kid is a human highlight film and the home crowd loves it.  That's twice this year he has brought the house down with a breakaway dunk.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 23, 2010, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on January 23, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
Any win is a good win but everything seemed backwards.  The little guys in green consistently ran the court and penetrated to the hoop while the bigger guys in white were content to walk it up and pass it around the perimeter.  Good things happened when we pushed the ball.  I was excited to see Mark take the first possession on the block and score but we rarely saw that again.  Why not take advantage of a 4" height advantage?  The ten point burst right before half was a backbreaker for MU.

Play the Freshman more.  The kid is a human highlight film and the home crowd loves it.  That's twice this year he has brought the house down with a breakaway dunk.


yup...we all love #44
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 23, 2010, 08:26:56 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 04:20:53 AM
Now everyone knows it... the best basketball player at CNU is a girl.  Lady Captains 16-0.  No problem recruiting into the women's program. 

I think everone knows it now....the women played on Friday night, not as part of a double header....drew a rowd of over 1,000 for the lady captains....Chelsea dropped in 40 pts.......I was in stands with 2 of the men players...they were like....dang...we bettter get some W's.

BTW - the two guys I sat and talked with....top notch people! My daughter is friends with them. CJ recruited 2 good ball players and exception individuals!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on January 23, 2010, 06:18:06 PM
Play the Freshman more.  The kid is a human highlight film and the home crowd loves it.  That's twice this year he has brought the house down with a breakaway dunk.


I don't think that it would make the team any worse, and it could pay dividends in the future.  Providing, of course, the kid actually improves over the years, something that I am still not convinced happens in the CNU program.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on January 23, 2010, 08:26:56 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 04:20:53 AM
Now everyone knows it... the best basketball player at CNU is a girl.  Lady Captains 16-0.  No problem recruiting into the women's program. 

I think everone knows it now....the women played on Friday night, not as part of a double header....drew a rowd of over 1,000 for the lady captains....Chelsea dropped in 40 pts.......I was in stands with 2 of the men players...they were like....dang...we bettter get some W's.

BTW - the two guys I sat and talked with....top notch people! My daughter is friends with them. CJ recruited 2 good ball players and exception individuals!!
In the post-game interview CJ said that he offered the women's coach three of his players in a trade for Schweers and was soundly rejected.  No surprise. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 10:43:50 PM
Hey, narch.  What is your BMF formula you use at the end of the season?  I want to use it to evaluate the CNU players.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 24, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
Captains win to go to 9-8, 4-2.  Mark Blasingame dominated with 18 & 14.  Mark is only 2 points away from 1000 points for his career, and is also on pace to go over 1000 rebounds.  Only James Boykins and Antoine Sinclair went 1000/1000 and they were among our greatest players.  Without question, Mark can dominate a game when he is at his best.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 24, 2010, 11:06:18 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 23, 2010, 10:43:50 PM
Hey, narch.  What is your BMF formula you use at the end of the season?  I want to use it to evaluate the CNU players.

I found it after looking very deeply into the archives here.  Get your nose back in those books, narch.

narch's PVR (BMF) ratings for the Captains (ALL 17 games) -

Blasingame – 34.72
Green – 32.31
Taylor – 22.40
Russell – 19.08
Parham – 18.45
Capin – 17.73
Herrmann – 15.52
Baker – 15.35
Feliciano-Ayala – 11.43
Preston – 9.49
Going – 6.52

Not much to get excited about, that's for sure.  This is about what I expected.  Does anyone see a 1st Team All-Conference here?  Maybe 'game because of his rep but I think after we look at the other teams that will be unlikely.  Hopefully we will have a stronger 2nd half of the conference season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on January 25, 2010, 11:23:09 AM
What a wild weekend for the Hornets at home.

First on Saturday they come out flat against a hungry Greensboro team. RJ Smith just had a field day out there. Then SU made a lil run at the end but it wasn't enough. They cut it to 5 but a bad turnover and a GC bucket kinda killed the momentum. If SU makes some FT's things wouldve been closer.

Then on Sunday vs 0-forever Methodist it was a shootout. Im telling you this was a game for the fans and not coaches....All offense and little defense. In the first half alone #30 for Methodist had 23 pts. Kevin Kline went to work as usually and finished with 25. Id say the story of the game was the Washington kid though. He had 17 in the 1st half, shooting step back jumpers and driving to the cup. Then in the 2nd half he kept it up and finished with 29 pts. Even had a athletic block where he chased down the MU player from behind and glassed it. Great win for the hornets.

4-2....CNU is up next Wed. should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on January 25, 2010, 03:41:24 PM
A good weekend for CNU.  Another 4-2 finish in the second round of conference and we should avoid having to travel in the first round of the tournament as well as give CJ #500.

It was great to see Big Mark working hard for position and calling for the ball.  Even better to see the guards working the triangle with Mark and getting him the ball down low versus swinging it around the circle.  Mark is money when he backs his man up in the paint with the ball.  He had some nice moves with his left over their 6'8" center.

I guess we have smart guards.  Congrats to the guys (Hector, Jake, Going, and Clarkson) honored at halftime with about 180 of their best friends for getting good first semester grades.  It's good to see that there are still student-athletes at CNU.  Trible made the rounds and congratulated each athlete personally.

Looking forward to the Hornets.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 26, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
OK, guys, who wants to win this thing?  NCWC is 4-1, but 8-9 overall.  Is MU the only team that really doesn't have a shot?  Sorry, narch, but the Monarchs are oh and seventeen.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 26, 2010, 02:16:23 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 26, 2010, 02:14:48 PMSorry, narch, but the Monarchs are oh and seventeen.
thanks for reminding me, 'nova :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 26, 2010, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 26, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
OK, guys, who wants to win this thing?  NCWC is 4-1, but 8-9 overall.  Is MU the only team that really doesn't have a shot?  Sorry, narch, but the Monarchs are oh and seventeen.
As usual, it will be the team that gets hot at the end.  Don't be surprised if it is a team with an overall losing record this year. 

GO CAPTAINS! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 26, 2010, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: narch on January 26, 2010, 02:16:23 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 26, 2010, 02:14:48 PMSorry, narch, but the Monarchs are oh and seventeen.
thanks for reminding me, 'nova :)
Sure, anything I can do for you, narch.  :)  I keep hoping MU will break through, but we're getting in the "short rows" as my Dad (a farmer) used to say.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 26, 2010, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 26, 2010, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 26, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
OK, guys, who wants to win this thing?  NCWC is 4-1, but 8-9 overall.  Is MU the only team that really doesn't have a shot?  Sorry, narch, but the Monarchs are oh and seventeen.
As usual, it will be the team that gets hot at the end.  Don't be surprised if it is a team with an overall losing record this year.  

GO CAPTAINS!  

CaptJ I agree entirely. With no clear juggernaut program, it will all come down to who can run the table in the tournament.



CNU on the clock.

GO HORNETS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 07:34:24 PM
I need to expand my vocabulary.  I have never used the word juggernaut in a sentence, written or spoken.  Plus one for you, 97.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 07:41:27 PM
Hornets race to a 19-6 lead in the first 5 minutes.  Captains seem to be playing with their hands in their pockets. 

Congratulations to Mark Blasingame for notching his 1000th career point. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 08:14:52 PM
End of the first half.

After a series of bad calls favoring the Captains, Josh Russell hits a shot from half court at the buzzer to give the Captains their first lead (36-35).

Bad call #1 - Hornets hit the rim with their last second shot but the scorer hits the buzzer signalling 35 second violation.  Mark Blasingame hears the buzzer and thinks the final buzzer has sounded and bounces the ball with both hands in what should have been a double dribble.  CNU is awarded possession.

Bad call #2 - Throwing the inbounds pass, Blasingame runs the baseline like it was following a made shot.  Should have been a travelling violation.  Russell hits the half court shot to take the lead.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on January 27, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 08:14:52 PM
End of the first half.

After a series of bad calls favoring the Captains, Josh Russell hits a shot from half court at the buzzer to give the Captains their first lead (36-35).

Bad call #1 - Hornets hit the rim with their last second shot but the scorer hits the buzzer signalling 35 second violation.  Mark Blasingame hears the buzzer and thinks the final buzzer has sounded and bounces the ball with both hands in what should have been a double dribble.  CNU is awarded possession.

Bad call #2 - Throwing the inbounds pass, Blasingame runs the baseline like it was following a made shot.  Should have been a travelling violation.  Russell hits the half court shot to take the lead.

Good thing the game is at CNU  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 08:30:21 PM
A second Hornets player goes to the bench bloody and the replacement player checks into the game wearing a face guard.  True.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2010, 05:05:21 AM
Here is what we have remaining on the schedule -

Methodist (0-2)    EXCELLENT chance for a win.
Greensboro (7-8, 1-2)   Good chance for a win.
Shenandoah (6-11, 3-1)  Not likely. 

I hate being right all the time.  Hornets sweep the Captains in 2009-10 regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
Shenandoah 65, CNU 62.  The stats don't add up in this game.  I can't see how they add up to just a 3 point win for the Hornets.
FG% - SU 46%, CNU 28%
3PTFG% - SU 75%, CNU 33%
REB - SU 45, CNU 42

Oh, wait... here it is...
TO - SU 20, CNU 10

I guess getting a little help from the zebras helps also.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 27, 2010, 09:56:03 PM
IT'S LIKE CHRISTMAS!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 27, 2010, 09:59:08 PM
Congratulations to Blasingame for hitting the 1000 career point mark. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on January 27, 2010, 10:03:24 PM
Congrats to the Hornets.   That one hurt.  Would like to stay in CJ's corner, but one of the worst coaching jobs ever.  The substitution patterns at the 2 and 3 continue to frustrate.  Josh Russell clearly had the hot hand tonight, but he sat for an extended period in the 2nd half.  Why?  Josh made a heck of a shot before the half ended, but only because of ref buffoonery.  Xavier has flashes of brilliance then he'll make a bonehead mistake that'll drive you nuts. 

CNU's offense is predictable.  Our 4s were a combined 2-14.  Should have tried Preston at the spot a LONG time ago!  Why do our 5s always pick for them and not vice versa.  We call "inside" and everyone knows B'game is going to the block.  Talk about your predictable double/triple team!   

Congrats to B'game on 1000 points.   Great effort on the boards again tonight.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 27, 2010, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 08:14:52 PM
End of the first half.

After a series of bad calls favoring the Captains, Josh Russell hits a shot from half court at the buzzer to give the Captains their first lead (36-35).

Bad call #1 - Hornets hit the rim with their last second shot but the scorer hits the buzzer signalling 35 second violation.  Mark Blasingame hears the buzzer and thinks the final buzzer has sounded and bounces the ball with both hands in what should have been a double dribble.  CNU is awarded possession.

Bad call #2 - Throwing the inbounds pass, Blasingame runs the baseline like it was following a made shot.  Should have been a travelling violation.  Russell hits the half court shot to take the lead.

According to the SU radio team there was some question to the time left on the clock allowing the half-court ringer. Did anybody watching the game see anything here?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on January 27, 2010, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 07:34:24 PM
I need to expand my vocabulary.  I have never used the word juggernaut in a sentence, written or spoken.  Plus one for you, 97.

It's that darn private school education creeping back up again..
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 27, 2010, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 07:34:24 PM
I need to expand my vocabulary.  I have never used the word juggernaut in a sentence, written or spoken.  Plus one for you, 97.

It's that darn private school education creeping back up again..
hahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 11:50:37 PM
Quote from: cnububba on January 27, 2010, 10:03:24 PM
Congrats to the Hornets.   That one hurt.  Would like to stay in CJ's corner, but one of the worst coaching jobs ever.  The substitution patterns at the 2 and 3 continue to frustrate.  Josh Russell clearly had the hot hand tonight, but he sat for an extended period in the 2nd half.  Why?  Josh made a heck of a shot before the half ended, but only because of ref buffoonery.  Xavier has flashes of brilliance then he'll make a bonehead mistake that'll drive you nuts. 

CNU's offense is predictable.  Our 4s were a combined 2-14.  Should have tried Preston at the spot a LONG time ago!  Why do our 5s always pick for them and not vice versa.  We call "inside" and everyone knows B'game is going to the block.  Talk about your predictable double/triple team!
It is plain for anyone to see... our illustrious coach is no longer capable of building a dominant program.  It makes me wonder how he was ever able to do so.  Can he just lose the ability to coach if he is making the same effort that he always did?  One way or the other, he is NOT getting the job done, and CNU fans are being short-changed.  I still feel that CNU has inherent advantages over the other USASAC teams, as well as MOST D3 teams, and if he can't exploit those advantages we deserve someone who can.

GO CAPTAINS!!  PLEASE WIN CJ'S 500TH SO HE CAN RETIRE WITH NO REGRETS! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 11:51:57 PM
Hey 85, where are you?  Did you see the game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 27, 2010, 11:55:36 PM
Up next for the Captains... Top-25 team St. Mary's of Maryland.  CNU will be a sub-.500 team again.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2010, 12:06:46 AM
(Almost) lost in my grief was the latest monster game from Mark Blasingame.  As mentioned, he went over 1000 for his career.  His line tonight was typical of his play lately.  He battled a very strong Hornet front line for 10 points and 18 rebounds.  And 3 more blocks.  

I revise my comment earlier that CNU probably doesn't have a 1st team all-conference player this year.  Mark is doing everything for the Captains as those around him struggle.  He has been a one man juggernaut.  Statistics don't fully demnonstrate the value of the guy to the CNU team.    

Congratulations, Mark.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 28, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
Hornets are now 5-2 in the conference and sets up Sunday's game at home vs NC Wesleyan a game for first place....ohhh boyyyy!  Against CNU - Brandon Bryan was on FIREEE, that kid was not missing and that was great to see but how about when CNU is up 53-51 with around 3 minutes to go, Kline scores the next 8 points, two lay ups over B'game and a jumper in his face..big plays.  Can't wait for Sunday

GO HORNETS
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on January 28, 2010, 09:32:37 AM
Another thing...someone mentioned about how Shrader and Kline are the Hornets leaders..both of these guys set the tone early in yesterdays game with physical play, both got cut open and had to go to the bench for blood but they were not backin down - Green once again cant figure out the Hornets..1-8 (2-8 first game)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on January 28, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
The Perfect Storm -  We've seen signs of poor field and FT shooting by the Captains this season but never all at once.  28% as a team is about as bad as it can get.  Lots of missed layups and put backs.  Usually, someone steps up with big numbers.  Not the case last night.  Conley/Jake (5-21), Mark/Hermann/Greene (5-22), Xavier (3-11).  Nothing was going in for CNU.  Josh was the only guy hitting shots.  Most were low percentage 3 bombs including the half court shot.  There won't be many wins with performances like that.

Mark had a good game but played too many minutes (34).  He needs an occassional breather in order to be effective defensively at the end of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 28, 2010, 07:19:28 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on January 28, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
Hornets are now 5-2 in the conference and sets up Sunday's game at home vs NC Wesleyan a game for first place....ohhh boyyyy!  GO HORNETS

I am really pulling for the Hornets in this one.  Three reasons why -

1  To tighten the race. 
2  The Hornets are my 2nd favorite in the conference this year.
3  I HATE NCW!!

GO CAPTAINS!


GO Shenandoah, beat NCW!

And, oh yeah, FIRE CJ!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 28, 2010, 11:56:13 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on January 17, 2010, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: SU97 on January 17, 2010, 06:11:59 PM
Big weekend for the Hornets!  ;D   Stole a second game in a row today. I can't remember the last time SU has swept a road trip in the conference, was it February 1958?  

SU was facing some tough situations with the PG Roberts getting t-ed up with 15 minutes left in the game and fouling out. The game was simular to the FC game yesterday, with SU getting some calls going against them. It sounded like a very physical game, but the Hornets stayed strong. Huge bucket from Dudley to win with seconds left.




The kids are playing with a purpose.  The Kline and Schrader kids are big leaders on that squad!

I said that on January 17th.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 06:14:39 AM
When I was listening to the webcast this week I also followed along on Live Stats and saw that they used an efficiency rating that I believe is used in the NBA.  I quickly copied the formula and pasted it in a spreadsheet for later use.  I have put together a spreadsheet with current statistics.  Here is the formula....

((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))

I used total stats for conference games only and divided by the number of games played by each player. 

EFF RATING   NAME   SCHOOL
                    24.00    Derek Mitchell   FC
                    20.60    Tanner Carnes   MC
                    20.33    Trey Drake   NCW
                    18.00    Mark Blasingame   CNU
                    17.17    Alex Murray   NCW
                    14.57    Brandon Malone   AU
                    14.57    Chris Schrader   SU
                    14.40    Walter Brady   GC
                    12.86    Kevin Kline   SU
                    12.80    Lewis Owenby   GC
                    12.60    Adam Powell   GC
                    12.50    Lamont Stokes   NCW
                    12.20    RJ Smith   GC
                    11.86    Kenny Hart   AU
                    11.60    Tyler Sigman   MC
                    11.57    Chad Hardaway   AU
                    11.57    Kenny Robertson   SU
                    11.43    Jake Capin   CNU
                    11.20    Ruben Pierce   AU
                    11.14    Mitchell Dudley   SU
                    11.00    Henry Hall   FC
                    10.86    Mike Green   CNU
                      9.86    Brandon Bryan   SU
                      9.67    Jarmel Arrington   NCW
                      9.14    Conley Taylor   CNU
                      8.83    Domarius Thomas   NCW
                      8.67    Devin Nichols   NCW
                      8.20    Ross Diachenko   MC
                      8.00    Jerrell Wade   FC
                      8.00    Nick English   FC
                      7.67    JT Edwards   FC
                      7.60    Mark Jernigan   MC
                      6.71    Wayne Washington   SU
                      6.00    Jason Baker   GC
                      5.57    Victor Cortes   AU
                      5.57    Xavier Parham   CNU
                      5.43    Theo Baker   CNU
                      5.14    Daryl Hart   FC
                      3.86    Josh Russell   CNU
                      3.17    Michael St. John   AU
                      2.57    Brian Herrmann   CNU
                      0.20    Chakiris Moss   GC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
ah...the boys are peaking at the right time with a blowout victory over gc, 98-70...my favorite monarch (tyler sigman) had 39 points on a pretty decent shooting night - he was 15 of 16 from the floor, 6 of 7 from 3 and had 4 steals...go dots! (tyler went to poca high school...home of the poca dots)

blackshear had 9 assists and ZERO to's...not a bad assist/to ratio, if you ask me - jernigan and carnes chipped in with 17 each

i'm not sure which is better - the fact that mu won't go winless or the fact that win #1 came against greensboro...it's a tie

on a more serious note, i hope the gc team travels safely back to greensboro...the white stuff is coming down pretty steady where i am, and it's supposed to be worse in the triad

man, winning feels good...i hope the boys get on a little streak - wouldn't it be great if the monarchs won all the way into the ncaa tournament...it would be kind of fitting for the conference this year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 29, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 06:14:39 AM
When I was listening to the webcast this week I also followed along on Live Stats and saw that they used an efficiency rating that I believe is used in the NBA.  I quickly copied the formula and pasted it in a spreadsheet for later use.  I have put together a spreadsheet with current statistics.  Here is the formula....

((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))

I used total stats for conference games only and divided by the number of games played by each player.                                                                           
i like it...i don't follow the nba, but heard some talking head on one of the sirius sports shows i listen to talking about a +/- statistic (similar to that used in the nhl) that the nba is now tracking...i've long advocated a +/- statistic in hoops...i'm glad someone finally heard me :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 10:43:12 PM
NOW we know what it takes to drag narch out of the library this season... a Monarch win and an alternative to his PVR/BMF formula.  Congrats to MU... they were destined to "peak" at some point this year.  I predict that Ferrum will also fall to the Monarchs this weekend.

Hey narch, when you watch the LiveStats as the game progresses you will likely see several players with a negative rating at any given time.  I watched one game earlier in the season when one guy on the opposing team went off for like a +60 or something like that.  Naturally, it was a CNU loss.

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 29, 2010, 10:53:39 PM
Quote from: narch on January 29, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 06:14:39 AM
When I was listening to the webcast this week I also followed along on Live Stats and saw that they used an efficiency rating that I believe is used in the NBA.  I quickly copied the formula and pasted it in a spreadsheet for later use.  I have put together a spreadsheet with current statistics.  Here is the formula....

((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))

I used total stats for conference games only and divided by the number of games played by each player.                                                                           
i like it...i don't follow the nba, but heard some talking head on one of the sirius sports shows i listen to talking about a +/- statistic (similar to that used in the nhl) that the nba is now tracking...i've long advocated a +/- statistic in hoops...i'm glad someone finally heard me :)
We've been talking about the Efficiency Rating on the ODAC page for a couple of days - Guilford's center Tyler Sanborn had a 46 against Roanoke on Wednesday night!  I like it too!

(29 + 18  + 1 + 4) - ((15 - 11) + (9 - 7) + 3) = 46
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 30, 2010, 12:44:19 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 10:43:12 PM
Hey narch, when you watch the LiveStats as the game progresses you will likely see several players with a negative rating at any given time.  I watched one game earlier in the season when one guy on the opposing team went off for like a +60 or something like that.  Naturally, it was a CNU loss.

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!

I think that I exaggerated some.  I believe the game I was thinking of was the OT loss to Lynchburg when Steven Echols had a +36 night. 

(33 + 7  + 7 + 3 + 0) - ((25 - 15) + (2 - 2) + 4) = 36


GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 30, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: narch on January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad
Yeah, not bad considering he was 11.60 going into the game.  Career game. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2010, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: narch on January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad
That's excellent!  Congratulations to the Monarchs, narch.  I was pretty sure they'd get one (or more!) before the season was over. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
All the comments about the Efficiency Rating got me to wondering - what's the highest score you've ever seen? - in DIII or, for that matter, in any game?  To refresh your memory, ER is:

(Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Shots attempted - shots made) + (Free throws attemped - free throws made) + Turnovers)) = ER

I reported that Guilford's Tyler Sanborn had an outstanding 46 on Wednesday night versus Roanoke:  (29 + 18 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((15 - 11) + (9 - 7) + 3) = 46, but ...

I thought of one better - Ben Strong versus Lincoln U. in the 2007 DIII Sweet 16:

(59 + 17 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((27 - 20) + (22 - 19) + 6) = 68

What's the best Efficiency Rating you can find?  I'll be curious to see what we come up with!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 30, 2010, 05:06:15 PM
I wish the CNU website had box scores going back farther than it does.  There were numerous monster games by several of our All-Americans back in the 90's that I can't access.  The best I can find in the very modern era at CNU is a 41 game by Antoine Sinclair on 2/26/2000. 

I also found a great game by a duo.  Donta Selden and Davon Barton went off for 34 and 35 respectively in a game against Lincoln on 12/21/2005.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 30, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 30, 2010, 09:27:57 AMCareer game. 
most 39 point games in college are :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 30, 2010, 07:23:47 PM
Quote from: narch on January 30, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
sigman last night....
39 pts, 2 reb, 1 assist, 4 steals = 46
1 missed fg + 0 missed ft + 2 to's = 3

43 eff rating...not bad
Changes his eff rating for the conference-only games to 16.83.  This moves him from mid-pack to near the top of the conference.  What a difference one game can make.  That should be a lesson learned by all players.  And teams as well.  There is still a lot of time remaining to improve play and meet expectations.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM
Big night in the USA South coming tomorrow.  Obviously, the biggest game of the year so far includes N.C. Wesleyan (5-1) at Shenandoah (5-2).  Winner takes sole possession of 1st place, if NC wins: they're practically in the clear to take this thing, if SU wins, they own tiebreakers over NC (due to the sweep of CNU and NC already losing to them figuring CNU takes 2nd or 3rd) then obviously sweeping CNU this year. 

PREDICTIONS??

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on February 01, 2010, 04:25:22 PM
Tomorrow is the big game and its actually at 5 not 7.  The women play the 2nd game of the double header.

The Hornets have been playing well and getting contributions from alot of players lately.  If they can slow down Drake and keep Arrington from exploding this could go in SU's favor.

The last game in Shingleton the Hornets shot 63% maybe that can carry over. I say SU with a buzzer beater.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 01, 2010, 08:42:47 PM
OK, here is a perdiction.  I am going to shock everyone and change my tune somewhat.  I think that CNU will beat Top-25 St. Mary's (MD).  Captains usually play to the level of the competition and I think they will do that and this time pick up the upset win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 01, 2010, 10:33:54 PM
2 straight for the monarchs...80-74 over ferrum...sigman with 22 and 6 rebs...jernigan scores 20 on 8-10 shooting
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 01, 2010, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 29, 2010, 10:43:12 PM
Congrats to MU... they were destined to "peak" at some point this year.  I predict that Ferrum will also fall to the Monarchs this weekend.


I perdicted it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 02, 2010, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM
Big night in the USA South coming tomorrow.  Obviously, the biggest game of the year so far includes N.C. Wesleyan (5-1) at Shenandoah (5-2).  Winner takes sole possession of 1st place, if NC wins: they're practically in the clear to take this thing, if SU wins, they own tiebreakers over NC (due to the sweep of CNU and NC already losing to them figuring CNU takes 2nd or 3rd) then obviously sweeping CNU this year. 

PREDICTIONS??



It's 50/50 with SU and NCW, how about who makes the most free-throws wins the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 02:12:08 AM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 02, 2010, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM
Big night in the USA South coming tomorrow.  Obviously, the biggest game of the year so far includes N.C. Wesleyan (5-1) at Shenandoah (5-2).  Winner takes sole possession of 1st place, if NC wins: they're practically in the clear to take this thing, if SU wins, they own tiebreakers over NC (due to the sweep of CNU and NC already losing to them figuring CNU takes 2nd or 3rd) then obviously sweeping CNU this year. 

PREDICTIONS??



It's 50/50 with SU and NCW, how about who makes the most free-throws wins the game.
Since Lenny Hall isn't around anymore SU might have a chance in that contest.  He drew a foul better than anyone I've ever seen in the USASAC.  Little SOB made the free throws too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 02, 2010, 02:34:15 PM
Yeah, i think free throws will be a big key and whether or not Arrington shows up.  We all know Arrington has potential to go for 30+ but he's had an up and down year so far, what will he do tonight.

This game might decide who takes this regular season title as well as POTY (Drake or Kline)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 04:41:46 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 02, 2010, 02:34:15 PM
Yeah, i think free throws will be a big key and whether or not Arrington shows up.  We all know Arrington has potential to go for 30+ but he's had an up and down year so far, what will he do tonight.

This game might decide who takes this regular season title as well as POTY (Drake or Kline)
Kline barely cracks the top-10 in conference efficiency rating and you want him as POY?  Do tell us why.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 07:06:11 PM
Tough loss for the Hornets.  Man, I hate the Bishops.  I hope ANY team beats them out for the tourny slot this year.

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 07:27:45 PM
I hope the conference season ends just like it is now -

1 NCW (bye)
2 Shen vs 7 Meth
3 CNU vs 6 Grnsboro
4 Ferrum vs 5 Avrt

Being the 3 seed is a LOT better than being the 4.  I believe that CNU would beat Greensboro at home and that Shenandoah would not sweep 3 games from the Captains and win a second time in the Freeman.  That puts the Captains in the championship game.  Let's just call it a season now and go right to the tournament.

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 07:52:25 PM
Going, going, GONE!  Feliciano-Ayala starts at the point and gets into foul trouble early.  Parham comes in with a "heavily bandaged right thumb" and promptly turns over the ball two times.  CJ must have the same confidence in Going that I have always had... not much.

CNU starts strong but now trails 23-22.  Good game plan by CJ so far.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 02, 2010, 08:05:29 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 02, 2010, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM
Big night in the USA South coming tomorrow.  Obviously, the biggest game of the year so far includes N.C. Wesleyan (5-1) at Shenandoah (5-2).  Winner takes sole possession of 1st place, if NC wins: they're practically in the clear to take this thing, if SU wins, they own tiebreakers over NC (due to the sweep of CNU and NC already losing to them figuring CNU takes 2nd or 3rd) then obviously sweeping CNU this year. 

PREDICTIONS??





It's 50/50 with SU and NCW, how about who makes the most free-throws wins the game.


Free throws:

22-32 : NCW
19-29 : SU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 08:16:12 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 02, 2010, 08:05:29 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 02, 2010, 12:12:48 AM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM
Big night in the USA South coming tomorrow.  Obviously, the biggest game of the year so far includes N.C. Wesleyan (5-1) at Shenandoah (5-2).  Winner takes sole possession of 1st place, if NC wins: they're practically in the clear to take this thing, if SU wins, they own tiebreakers over NC (due to the sweep of CNU and NC already losing to them figuring CNU takes 2nd or 3rd) then obviously sweeping CNU this year. 

PREDICTIONS??





It's 50/50 with SU and NCW, how about who makes the most free-throws wins the game.


Free throws:

22-32 : NCW
19-29 : SU
I listened to this game on the web and free throws were NOT what influenced the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
#20 St. Mary's (MD) leads CNU at the half, 45-43.

Captains playing a great game so far.  A few mistakes and a few calls by the zebras and we would be winning.  CJ giving the refs an earful on the way to the locker room.

FG% CNU 50%, SM 38%
FT CNU 5/7 (71%), SM 18/20 (90%)
REB CNU 12/5 17, SM 13/9 22  (NINE OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2010, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 01, 2010, 08:42:47 PM
OK, here is a perdiction.  I am going to shock everyone and change my tune somewhat.  I think that CNU will beat Top-25 St. Mary's (MD).  Captains usually play to the level of the competition and I think they will do that and this time pick up the upset win.

Almost.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2010, 09:36:54 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 01, 2010, 08:42:47 PM
OK, here is a perdiction.  I am going to shock everyone and change my tune somewhat.  I think that CNU will beat Top-25 St. Mary's (MD).  Captains usually play to the level of the competition and I think they will do that and this time pick up the upset win.

Almost.
Yeah, but even though the guys played hard it's still a loss.  I really wanted this game.  We actually led by a point in OT but then the wheels fell off.  Good game, Captains.  You played with heart and guts.  Keep that up and this season is going to end very favorably.

GO CAPTAINS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 10:36:14 PM
Captains could have easily won the game in regulation with a few breaks going their way.  Altogether, a very good effort.  Including the coach.  He put together a gameplan that almost resulted in a huge upset.  Until we lose again I will table my "FIRE CJ" efforts.  I hope it lasts all year.

Where, oh where, is Mike Green?  He missed one shot in 5 minutes of play.  That is the entirety of his stats... 5 minutes, 0-1 on FG attempts.  NO rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, turnovers, or fouls.  He was a solid 2nd team all-conference last year and this year he is well out of the running for even honorable mention.  One CNU fan here has said that he can only go to his right offensively.  Have the other teams focused in on this limitation this year?  It looks like it.

Paul Going has obviously been summarily FIRED from the team this year.  He is getting NO minutes now, even in games when we really need help at the point.  Hector and Xavier combined for more turnovers than assists in this game.  I suspect that it was their intensity that CJ wanted in this game, even though it came with some mistakes.  I think that is also why Taylor got the start instead of Theo Baker.  Theo came in and gave us a good spark though. 

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 03, 2010, 08:24:40 AM
A real gutsy performance for CNU who deserved better at the end.  A missed free throw with 14 seconds left could have given CNU the lead and then Xavier's 35' bomb at the end of regulation caught a lot of the front rim but bounced off.

St. Mary's ran with three quick guards who torched the Captains and a couple of 6'7/6'8 post players who were then spelled by a couple of 6'6/6'5 backups.  It's no wonder we were outrebounded by 14 and gave up 18 on the O glass.  Hector, Greene and Conley were mismatched from the start.  Good teams tend to expose your weaknesses and our lack of size and quickness were on display.  Mark held his own but Greene gave up 4 inches and CJ quickly went to the bullpen for the taller and stronger Brian Hermann who had a good game and basically didn't come out the rest of the way.  Farris was not on the bench and Clarkson only appeared at the end of OT.  I'm still surprised CJ hasn't figured out how to utilize that kid's size and athletic leaping ability to our advantage this year.  We could have used it on the boards last night.

#23 Griffin and all the SM guards repeatedly gave CNU fits on both ends.  SM guards made more free throws than our entire team shot.  Xavier is the only guy with the necessary quickness to take anybody off his dribble but he seemed to have a lot of trouble reversing the ball from his bandaged right hand to his left.  I think Going could have helped but he appears to be buried deep in CJ's pooch house. 

Despite the loss, CNU should take a lot of confidence away from this game.  They were able to play 43 solid minutes against a bigger faster team.  With five conference games left, I think CNU is still a team that can get on a roll.  You really don't want to play them since you have no idea which team will show up.  If last night's team shows up the rest of the way then it could be very interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 03, 2010, 11:39:37 AM
6-1       10-9 ... NCW
5-3       8-13 ... SU
4-3       9-10 ... CNU
4-4       7-12 ... AU
3-5       9-11 ... FC
2-5       9-11 ... GB
2-5       2-17 ... MU


WOW ... only 1 team over .500 ball.  Does not look to bright for the USA-South overall for this season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 03, 2010, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 03, 2010, 11:39:37 AM
6-1       10-9 ... NCW
5-3       8-13 ... SU
4-3       9-10 ... CNU
4-4       7-12 ... AU
3-5       9-11 ... FC
2-5       9-11 ... GB
2-5       2-17 ... MU


WOW ... only 1 team over .500 ball.  Does not look to bright for the USA-South overall for this season.
You didn't really just post that, did you?  Did you just log on for the first time this season and not bother to read any of the previous posts?  And BTW, most on this forum would say that it doesn't look too good for the USASAC this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 03, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
Something is really troubling me.  CNU is 1-3 in OT games this year.  It seems to me that a team that is essentially a .500 team might get a lot of OT games.  Certainly more than a team that is undefeated, or one that is winless.  But I see this as another indication that we play to the level of the competition.  Why don't we hit the jumper or convert the free throw that will win it in regulation?  And why don't we win it once we do go into the extra period?  Are we content that we have demonstrated that we can play with the team, so we ease up?  Don't we have the requisite killer instinct?   :( :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on February 03, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 03, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
Something is really troubling me.  CNU is 1-3 in OT games this year.  It seems to me that a team that is essentially a .500 team might get a lot of OT games.  Certainly more than a team that is undefeated, or one that is winless.  But I see this as another indication that we play to the level of the competition.  Why don't we hit the jumper or convert the free throw that will win it in regulation?  And why don't we win it once we do go into the extra period?  Are we content that we have demonstrated that we can play with the team, so we ease up?  Don't we have the requisite killer instinct?   :( :-\

Maybe you guys just aren't that good? CNU is a quality program but its a down year.  They are young and there isn't a Barton type kid on the roster.  Blasingame and Baker just don't seem interested at times. Green was overated last year and reality has hit. Other than Parham nobody scores from the PG position. Its just not CNU's year.  I do see a bright future for Capin, he should be doing a little bit more transferring from a D-1 program though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 03, 2010, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on February 03, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Maybe you guys just aren't that good? CNU is a quality program but its a down year. 
No question about it being a down year but I think that our guys are better than they have shown.  They have been underachievers this year.  We have played to the level of the competition.  Teams that aren't very good aren't competitive against the really good teams, but those are the teams we've played best against this year.  However, when we play teams that (I think) are not as good, we play to their level and sometimes lose those games.  I have news for you, the Captains have more skill than your Hornets but we got swept by them this year.  That's what bothers me. 

The good news is that MAYBE they can correct that.  They COULD start playing as a team.  They MIGHT begin to fight every second and every play of the game.  If they do that I believe we will still end up as the conference rep in the NCAA tournament.

OK, I just remembered something  If the CNU players read these posts I want you to do something for me.  Watch the motivation speech by Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday.  "The inches we need are everywhere around us."    Here is the link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4tIrjBDkk
  It might be a football speech but it applies to all sports and to life.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on February 04, 2010, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 03, 2010, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on February 03, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Maybe you guys just aren't that good? CNU is a quality program but its a down year. 
No question about it being a down year but I think that our guys are better than they have shown.  They have been underachievers this year.  We have played to the level of the competition.  Teams that aren't very good aren't competitive against the really good teams, but those are the teams we've played best against this year.  However, when we play teams that (I think) are not as good, we play to their level and sometimes lose those games.  I have news for you, the Captains have more skill than your Hornets but we got swept by them this year.  That's what bothers me. 

The good news is that MAYBE they can correct that.  They COULD start playing as a team.  They MIGHT begin to fight every second and every play of the game.  If they do that I believe we will still end up as the conference rep in the NCAA tournament.

OK, I just remembered something  If the CNU players read these posts I want you to do something for me.  Watch the motivation speech by Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday.  "The inches we need are everywhere around us."    Here is the link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4tIrjBDkk
  It might be a football speech but it applies to all sports and to life.


CNU does not have more skill or talent than SU....sorry to tell you that.  Maybe a little more depth but when you look at the top 6 or 7 players for each team I'm going with the Hornets.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 04, 2010, 02:00:59 AM
Of course you think so.  I respect that.  And it's easy to think that way after what was probably the first ever sweep of CNU in the regular season. :o

You mentioned that the Hornets have more talent at the top 6 or 7 but maybe not as much depth.  That brings up a good question.  Is the depth that CNU has being utilized fully?  We don't seem to be able to figure out who our best 6 or 7 guys are.  My thought is... who cares who they are?  I have seen many teams with similar depth play a very frantic style with lots of substitutions.  A style where 10 guys each get 20 minutes of PT per game.  Maybe that is what we need to do.... run the heck out of our opponents.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 06, 2010, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 02, 2010, 10:36:14 PM
Until we lose again I will table my "FIRE CJ" efforts.  I hope it lasts all year.

Well, that didn't last very long.  FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!!

Bishops stalling now with 90 seconds on the clock and a 14 point lead over the Captains.  I'm going back to bed.

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 06, 2010, 03:50:06 PM
CNU is now 0-7 this year when trailing at the half.  I put that on the coach.   >:(

CNU now 9-11, 4-4.

FIRE CJ!

GO CAPTAINS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 06, 2010, 04:00:26 PM
16-6 advantage for NCW on the offensive glass.  That and the turnovers (15 in 2nd half) were the difference in this game.  Captains played hard but were just not ready.  Thinking ahead about the Superbowl maybe?  Worried about the drive home?  I saw that there is a big blizzard covering the east coast.

OK, I'm really going back to bed now.  It's 5AM here.  I can't believe I woke up to listen to this game.  I won't do that again.

FIRE CJ!

GO CAPTAINS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 07, 2010, 08:32:50 AM
Listened to the game and reviewed the stats but it's tough to comment without actually seeing the action.  As J said, several things stand out.  (-10) on the O glass and (-8) in turnovers means you won't win games giving the other guys an extra 18 possessions.  CNU actually outshot NCW from the field, 3 point and the line.  Unfortunately, it doesn't matter when you take 15 less shots and 7 fewer FT's.

I've been critical all season regarding the lineup and the in game strategies so why stop now.  CNU has 5 guys on the roster that are a legitimate 6'5 or bigger including three at 6'8.  You are getting pounded on the glass (especially offense) and your response is to go smaller???  Out of these five big guys, 2 don't play and the other three get 69 minutes or a little more than half the game each.  Small and quick will sometimes do the trick unless your players just don't have the skill sets to dribble, pass, catch, shoot and score around bigger guys.  Playing 3 and 4 guard sets has hurt us offensively and on the boards all season and it happened again yesterday.

So here is my prediction.  Remaining conference wins against Ferrum, Greensboro and MU leave CJ with 499 wins.  A devastating first round upset loss against Ferrum ends the CNU season and leaves CJ with the entire off season to contemplate why small and quick didn't do the trick.

PS.  I'm rooting for the Saints today.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on February 07, 2010, 09:47:27 AM
That's 6 wins in a row for NCWC, all against Conference foes.  I'm not completely sold they are very good.  Only game I was able to see live was at CNU which they lost.  Nevertheless, that puts them at 7-1 in Conference and 11-9 overall sitting pretty. 

Next up is an awful Greensboro team coming in Rocky Mount on Wednesday.  "Should" be an easy win.  Will have to play better team defense than what they played vs CNU.  Cannot allow other teams to shot over 50%.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on February 07, 2010, 11:08:48 AM
Made the trip down to NCW yesterday with friends to enjoy a little barbecue and watch the women play :).  Oh yea there was a men's game also. 

CJ said two weeks ago on the post game and I about fell out of my chair, "I'm still looking for the right combination."  Hello?!  Still?!  Make a decision and live with it. 

Paul did a nice job at the point yesterday.  Good grief, the kid sat for a month, so kudos to him.  B'game hurt an ankle or something in the first half.  Completely changed the inside game.  Late in the second half, for what must have been six minutes, CNU had NO three point shooters on the court.  Going, Taylor, Herrmann, Green, Preston on the court.   We were down between 15 and 17.  Russell, Baker, Capin our best three point shooters sat.  Russell came on late to cut what was otherwise a rout to ten.  Nice game Conley Taylor.  Our "4s" are a fundamental wreck.  Play Preston at the four, with him and B'game on the front line we'll get some rebounds.  At least they attempt to block out.

My vote for POTY; hands down Trey Drake.   Other than Derrick Mitchell, no one comes close.   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on February 07, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
On other note, I hesitate to mention this one.   Sat with the CNU fans and parents.  I don't agree with some of  CJ's coaching decisions.  ;) Ok most of them.   But it is terribly disruptive for parents to try and coach from the sidelines.   I can only imagine how it lends to divisiveness on the team.   Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there is a fine line between being a concerned fan/parent or downright unruly.  CJ, Ross and Waters are the coaches,  whether we like it or not.   Good luck to the team, especially the seniors,  the rest of the way.     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 07, 2010, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: cnububba on February 07, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
On other note, I hesitate to mention this one.   Sat with the CNU fans and parents.  I don't agree with some of  CJ's coaching decisions.  ;) Ok most of them.   But it is terribly disruptive for parents to try and coach from the sidelines.   I can only imagine how it lends to divisiveness on the team.   Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there is a fine line between being a concerned fan/parent or downright unruly.  CJ, Ross and Waters are the coaches,  whether we like it or not.   Good luck to the team, especially the seniors,  the rest of the way.     
Divisive and unruly parents are certainly nothing new.  Sure, they should be more supportive, but I suspect that both the players and the coaches are well accustomed to it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 07, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on February 07, 2010, 08:32:50 AM
So here is my prediction.  Remaining conference wins against Ferrum, Greensboro and MU leave CJ with 499 wins.  A devastating first round upset loss against Ferrum ends the CNU season and leaves CJ with the entire off season to contemplate why small and quick didn't do the trick.


This is very similar to my own comment earlier this year.  I said that CNU would lose their first round game.  Now, I'm not so sure.  I agree they will get 3 more wins in the regular season to take CJ's total to 499.  If we win three to get to 7-5 we will get to host that first round game.  If that happens I think our players will recognize how important that game is.  They will recognize that if they lose that game the entire season will be considered a miserable failure.  That THEY will be miserable failures.  I think we will win that game and CJ will have his 500th, and that within a month after the end of the season we will hear an announcement from the CNU AD that CJ has retired.

That's my perdiction and I'm stickin to it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 30, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
All the comments about the Efficiency Rating got me to wondering - what's the highest score you've ever seen? - in DIII or, for that matter, in any game?  To refresh your memory, ER is:

(Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Shots attempted - shots made) + (Free throws attemped - free throws made) + Turnovers)) = ER

I reported that Guilford's Tyler Sanborn had an outstanding 46 on Wednesday night versus Roanoke:  (29 + 18 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((15 - 11) + (9 - 7) + 3) = 46, but ...

I thought of one better - Ben Strong versus Lincoln U. in the 2007 DIII Sweet 16:

(59 + 17 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((27 - 20) + (22 - 19) + 6) = 68

What's the best Efficiency Rating you can find?  I'll be curious to see what we come up with!

Someone do the math for the game Wilt Chamberlain hit 100 pts in one game!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 03, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
Something is really troubling me.  CNU is 1-3 in OT games this year.  It seems to me that a team that is essentially a .500 team might get a lot of OT games.  Certainly more than a team that is undefeated, or one that is winless.  But I see this as another indication that we play to the level of the competition.  Why don't we hit the jumper or convert the free throw that will win it in regulation?  And why don't we win it once we do go into the extra period?  Are we content that we have demonstrated that we can play with the team, so we ease up?  Don't we have the requisite killer instinct?   :( :-\

and a one point loss in regulation. I was thinking about that....a team in general, not just CNU, that plays to level of competition. What is the root cause? Ideas?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: HornetFan4Life on February 03, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 03, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
Something is really troubling me.  CNU is 1-3 in OT games this year.  It seems to me that a team that is essentially a .500 team might get a lot of OT games.  Certainly more than a team that is undefeated, or one that is winless.  But I see this as another indication that we play to the level of the competition.  Why don't we hit the jumper or convert the free throw that will win it in regulation?  And why don't we win it once we do go into the extra period?  Are we content that we have demonstrated that we can play with the team, so we ease up?  Don't we have the requisite killer instinct?   :( :-\

Maybe you guys just aren't that good? CNU is a quality program but its a down year.  They are young and there isn't a Barton type kid on the roster.  Blasingame and Baker just don't seem interested at times. Green was overated last year and reality has hit. Other than Parham nobody scores from the PG position. Its just not CNU's year.  I do see a bright future for Capin, he should be doing a little bit more transferring from a D-1 program though.

Capin was a walk on at D1 Campbell and played in only 10 games. So for a guy who only played 10 games since high school, he's doing just fine!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 07, 2010, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: cnububba on February 07, 2010, 12:09:00 PM
On other note, I hesitate to mention this one.   Sat with the CNU fans and parents.  I don't agree with some of  CJ's coaching decisions.  ;) Ok most of them.   But it is terribly disruptive for parents to try and coach from the sidelines.   I can only imagine how it lends to divisiveness on the team.   Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there is a fine line between being a concerned fan/parent or downright unruly.  CJ, Ross and Waters are the coaches,  whether we like it or not.   Good luck to the team, especially the seniors,  the rest of the way.     
Divisive and unruly parents are certainly nothing new.  Sure, they should be more supportive, but I suspect that both the players and the coaches are well accustomed to it.

Reminds me of the time when my son started playing high school baseball. The coach pulled him aside during at the end of practice and chatted. I asked the coach what it was about. He told me when it is on the field it is not my concern. If I needed to be involved he would call me. Very strict but truthful. It was baseball talk. Oh - that same coach had the #1 team in the Nation this past year!!

Parents - let the coach do his job. If you're that much better, go take his job!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
I've been away for awhile. Too much going on. In a nutshell.....if CNU played every game the way they play St Mary's they would be 15-4. A lot of talent, just not together as a team. I have some ideas as to why, but I have to keep my mouth closed. My daughter is friends with a couple of the guys on the team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 08, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
I've been away for awhile. Too much going on. In a nutshell.....if CNU played every game the way they play St Mary's they would be 15-4. A lot of talent, just not together as a team. I have some ideas as to why, but I have to keep my mouth closed. My daughter is friends with a couple of the guys on the team.
Hey 85, welcome back.  Question for you... since CNU doesnt seem to have a clear cut best 6 or 7 guys, do you think they should play 10 of them 20 minutes a game and run a hectic, run-and-gun offense?  It would be hard for a few of them, like B'game, but I think he could do it for 20 minutes in 4 minute stretches.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 09, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 30, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
All the comments about the Efficiency Rating got me to wondering - what's the highest score you've ever seen? - in DIII or, for that matter, in any game?  To refresh your memory, ER is:

(Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Shots attempted - shots made) + (Free throws attemped - free throws made) + Turnovers)) = ER

I reported that Guilford's Tyler Sanborn had an outstanding 46 on Wednesday night versus Roanoke:  (29 + 18 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((15 - 11) + (9 - 7) + 3) = 46, but ...

I thought of one better - Ben Strong versus Lincoln U. in the 2007 DIII Sweet 16:

(59 + 17 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((27 - 20) + (22 - 19) + 6) = 68

What's the best Efficiency Rating you can find?  I'll be curious to see what we come up with!

Someone do the math for the game Wilt Chamberlain hit 100 pts in one game!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

Hmmmm.  The boxscores didn't used to be as complete as they are now, but here's what we do know:  100 points, 25 rebounds, 36 of 63 FG's and an amazing (for Wilt!) 28 of 32 FT's.  Steals, Assists, Blocks and Turnovers - who knows?  So, if we just use what we have:

(100 + 25 + 0 + 0 + 0) - (27 + 4 + 0) = 94

Not too shabby!  I'll be willing to bet he had no assists!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 09, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: hasanova on February 09, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 30, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
All the comments about the Efficiency Rating got me to wondering - what's the highest score you've ever seen? - in DIII or, for that matter, in any game?  To refresh your memory, ER is:

(Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Shots attempted - shots made) + (Free throws attemped - free throws made) + Turnovers)) = ER

I reported that Guilford's Tyler Sanborn had an outstanding 46 on Wednesday night versus Roanoke:  (29 + 18 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((15 - 11) + (9 - 7) + 3) = 46, but ...

I thought of one better - Ben Strong versus Lincoln U. in the 2007 DIII Sweet 16:

(59 + 17 + 3 + 1 + 4) - ((27 - 20) + (22 - 19) + 6) = 68

What's the best Efficiency Rating you can find?  I'll be curious to see what we come up with!

Someone do the math for the game Wilt Chamberlain hit 100 pts in one game!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

Hmmmm.  The boxscores didn't used to be as complete as they are now, but here's what we do know:  100 points, 25 rebounds, 36 of 63 FG's and an amazing (for Wilt!) 28 of 32 FT's.  Steals, Assists, Blocks and Turnovers - who knows?  So, if we just use what we have:

(100 + 25 + 0 + 0 + 0) - (27 + 4 + 0) = 94

Not too shabby!  I'll be willing to bet he had no assists!  :)
That's probably true.  LOL.  And my guess is that his ablocks+steals were probably close to his turnover total, so I think this total is probably accurate.  Anyone who has the ball that much is certain to turn it over a time or two.  Wow, 63 FG attempts! 

This really makes your guy's 68 all the more impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 10, 2010, 04:58:01 PM
One thing to remember in a pro game: it's 48 minutes versus 40 for college.  If you read the story I attached about the Philadelphia/New York game, it was a relatively meaningless end of season game and the Warriors were feeding the ball to Chamberlain almost every time.  Injuries for the Knicks also meant Wilt was often being "guarded" by the 3rd-string center. 

Also, in Ben Strong's game, it was triple overtime, so it was 55 minutes.

With these comments said, however, they were both amazing games.  Wilt's game was 169-147 and Guilford's was 129-128, so every one of Ben's 59 was needed!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnufanatic on February 10, 2010, 11:42:44 PM
Hello D3hoops, i've been at every one of CNU's home games this year and I really couldn't help myself but to comment of the lack of achievement for the mens basketball team.  Is it coaching? Hard to tell due to the lack of effort that cnu shows on the court.  I think this stems from coaching, the body language of the players show that they have no respect for the head coach.  First off, half of the players on the bench look like they are not happy to be on the team and show no support for the players in the game.  Now lets get to the rotation or lack of rotation, CJ needs to find a solid five that will commit to being great.  Lets start with the point guards.  Paul Going was a good desicion to start off the season, he knew the system ran the plays and didn't make mistakes.  Coming off the bench with Parham seemed like a good idea from the start, but then its quite obvious that he is not ready to finish games and run the team.  CJ needs to see that he has not been able to win ANY close games this whole season.  He plays good when the team needs a spark but has shown he is no where near ready to run the team.  Now with the wings, in since CJ doesn't wanna play a traditional 3 man such as thomas whinnett in the past.  Josh Russell has proven that he is a good shooter, but sometimes takes illadvised shots and seems to get down when he gets pulled out of the game.  Theo Baker is in somewhat in the same situation and seems to perform better off the bench.  He is a senior and does a good job playing defense and would like to see him get some more playing time.  Conley Taylor has really put the team on his shoulders during a rough spell of the season, but needs to not let bad calls and no foul calls get to his head.  With Capin, he showed signs of being a great shooter, but due to other teams being able to scout, he has been shut down.  He needs to understand that he is a spot up shooter and THATS IT!!  Him trying to handle the ball and make plays actually hurts the team.  Mike Green is coming off an all conference season, BUT he has not played within himself this year.  He has taken way to many shots this season, not to mention at some points when he is being tripled teamed.  I want to be a fan of Green, but he needs to make some adjustments in his game, and know his role.  With Hermann, I really like his hustle, I think hes buying into the system, but needs to cut down his turnovers and make better desicions.  I like to see him playing the 3, which makes the captains much better at rebounding.  Blasingame was a preseason all american who might be one of the best players in CNU history, and I still think he is underachieving.  He doesnt look interested and doesnt realize that he is the best player on the team by far.  With preston, he needs to work on finishing around the rim, but he does a good job hustling.  Lets move on to the Coach.......This is my personal letter to you, please realize who you are playing when it matters at the end of the game.  First off, play a PG that will that will make good desicions, bc CNU has lost around 5 that could have really went CNU's way.  Other then that he needs to discipline his players, you would think that a coach who has won almost 500 games, would get more respect from his players. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 11, 2010, 01:47:25 AM
cnufanatic going strong to the hoop!  +1 for your very first post.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 11, 2010, 01:58:14 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 18, 2010, 05:05:21 AM
Here is what we have remaining on the schedule -

Methodist (0-2)    EXCELLENT chance for a win.
Greensboro (7-8, 1-2)   Good chance for a win.
Shenandoah (6-11, 3-1)  Not likely.  These guys will want revenge.
St. Mary's (home  13-2)  NO chance
at NCW (6-9, 2-1)  No way.
Averett (6-10, 3-2)   No way. CJ is their b!t@# this year.
Ferrum  (8-9, 2-3)  Good chance.
at Greensboro  Not likely.
at Methodist   Good chance but not definite.
1st round conference tournament.  Bet the farm on a loss here.

Add them up and it does NOT equal 500 wins for the HOF coach in Newport News.  I hope I am wrong because there is not a chance in the world that he will retire if he is short this year.  Get it?  "Short." ;D

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!!!!

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Man, I really hate being right all the time.  Yes, I know I waffled on the St. Mary game but I had a hunch on a long shot that almost worked out.  Captains need 4 to get to CJ's 500th win.  I definitely don't see it.  I think the only way that happens is if we get to the conference final.  Not win it, but get wins the 1st 2 rounds.

GO CAPTAINS!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 11, 2010, 02:00:58 AM
Quote from: cnufanatic on February 10, 2010, 11:42:44 PM
Hello D3hoops, i've been at every one of CNU's home games this year and I really couldn't help myself but to comment of the lack of achievement for the mens basketball team.   

Every game?  Are you a player?  Even 85 doesn't go to ALL the games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 11, 2010, 09:02:03 AM
Similar story, different night.  Like a Shakespearean drama, the same themes play out over and over. 

Watching these games has become like watching Tuesday night open gym at the Y.  Out shot. Out rebounded.  Out hustled.  Out defensed.  Out coached.  At least we have a better looking warm up routine.

14 O rebounds for Averett after 16 to NCW.  17 turnovers.  We just don't learn.  Once again, we played the short lineup almost 70% of the minutes.  Big Mark on the floor for only 21 minutes.  At one point, we didn't have a single shooter in the game.

Torched by quick guards again.  Matador defense by ours.  Third straight 90 point defensive effort after not giving up 90 points all season.

Dependence on a perimeter passing offense resulting in ill advised and low percentage 3 shots.  10 missed foul shots.  No timeout to set up a play when down by 2 at the end.

One on one play.  Conley had a career game but let's be serious.  35 points and 0 assists from a guard.  That goes with 25 points and 1 assist last game.  Conley took 17 shots last night.  The next Captain took 8.  I guess we shouldn't worry about any double-doubles from Conley anytime soon.  Kobe leads the Lakers in both points and assists per game.  Everyone in the gym knows that Conley is going to drive the baseline when he gets the pass.  Good players get everyone involved.

Bad attitudes.  Mouthing off at the coaches.  Pouting on the bench by seasoned players when the player gets yanked.  Playing time is not an entitlement.  Don't confuse experience and effort with results.  It's all very disappointing for the loyal fans that do show up to every home game.

Let's face it.  The girls are having the magical season this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HornetFan4Life on February 11, 2010, 12:39:12 PM
CNU fans are really starting to sound like crybabies...cry me a river.  CJ this, CJ that.  Could you imagine if every member of this board did the same thing for their team? Methodist just won 2 games after starting 0-234.  C'mon lose with some class and get it together next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 11, 2010, 04:38:07 PM
Buddy, Buddy, Buddy – no reason to hate on the CNU faithful.  It's just the fans exercising their First Amendment right to express themselves.  I think it was Obama or the founding fathers or someone like that who thought free speech was a good idea.  Personally, I would love to see a little more chatter from SU and the other USA South fan base.  From what I can tell, this board would be pretty empty without all of the CNU bellyaching....I mean insightful analysis.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 11, 2010, 11:17:11 PM
look at these Hornets go!  another sweep, this one over Ferrum College and what a gusty effort from this Hornet squad.  I think all Hornets and Hornet fans would like to ignore and not discuss Kline's injury but lets look at the positives, they just beat Ferrum behind a ridiculous effort from PG Kenny Roberson, he had 17 pts, carried the team and played with emotion I haven't seen this year yet.  He even dunked on POTY candidate Derek Mitchell!!!  If we beat Averett at home on Saturday, I believe we will have locked 2nd place unless NCW can lose the rest of the way but no one sees that happening
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 12, 2010, 12:38:21 AM
OK, I'm starting to waffle again... maybe something can be salvaged out of this season after all. 

Here is how it stands now -

N.C. Wesleyan 8-1  12-9
Shenandoah 6-3  9-13
Averett 6-4  9-13
Chris. Newport 4-5  9-12
Ferrum 4-6  10-13
Methodist 2-6  2-19
Greensboro 2-7  9-13

It would be MUCH better to be the 3rd seed instead of the 4th.  I would like to put off playing the Bishops as long as possible.  That means that CNU must overtake Averett, which at first glance seems impossible since Averett would get the tie-breaker because of their sweep of the Captains.  So, that means that CNU must win out and Averett must lose their last 2.  Actually, that could happen.  CNU plays the 3 teams at the bottom of the standings and Averett plays the two teams at the very top.  They get NCW at home but have to play at Shenandoah.  From my perspective, that's perfect.  Bishops might be able to beat them on the road and the Hornets could defend their home court. 

That is a lot of "ifs" but there is still a chance to get the 3rd seed.  Of course, we could slip back to the 5th seed also and have to play on the road to open the tournament, but there is a good chance for us to win out, AND for Averett to lose their last two.  If that happens I am VERY confident that the Hornets couldn't beat the Captains a 3rd time this year, especially again at the Freeman.  That puts CNU in the championship game (at home), and who knows what would happen if CNU is on a 5 game win streak.   


The best thing about this scenario is that it puts CJ past 500!!! 

GO CAPTAINS!!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on February 12, 2010, 02:06:12 PM
CNU85,

Haven't been on here since way before xmas. Been laid up with back problems.....didn't feel up to going back over 100 pages of post. In a flash tell how the basketball season is going. I don't even know what Averett is doing so give me the full picture. Where will the tournment be this year?.

Hello to everyone, hopefully I will be feeling better by football season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 13, 2010, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on February 12, 2010, 02:06:12 PM
In a flash tell how the basketball season is going.
ncw is the best of a bad group of basketball teams, the cnu AD should fire the cnu HC (even though the AD IS the HC) and the monarchs won two straight a few weeks ago...now you're up to speed :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 13, 2010, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: narch on February 13, 2010, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on February 12, 2010, 02:06:12 PM
In a flash tell how the basketball season is going.
ncw is the best of a bad group of basketball teams, the cnu AD should fire the cnu HC (even though the AD IS the HC) and the monarchs won two straight a few weeks ago...now you're up to speed :)
And Shenandoah is the sentimental favorite to win conference spot in NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 13, 2010, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 11, 2010, 02:00:58 AM
Quote from: cnufanatic on February 10, 2010, 11:42:44 PM
Hello D3hoops, i've been at every one of CNU's home games this year and I really couldn't help myself but to comment of the lack of achievement for the mens basketball team.   

Every game?  Are you a player?  Even 85 doesn't go to ALL the games.
Uh oh, I think I scared him away.  Maybe I was right.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 13, 2010, 06:17:10 PM
Good job, Hornets!  Shenandoah 71, Averett 66.  Hornets tried to give it away.  Kenny Robertson missed 6 consecutive free throws in the last 4 minutes but the Cougars couldn't find something that worked. 

Now we need the Bishops to beat the Cougars AND for CNU to win out against the bottom teams in the conference.  That should get CNU the 3rd seed.

GO CAPTAINS!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 08, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 08, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
I've been away for awhile. Too much going on. In a nutshell.....if CNU played every game the way they play St Mary's they would be 15-4. A lot of talent, just not together as a team. I have some ideas as to why, but I have to keep my mouth closed. My daughter is friends with a couple of the guys on the team.
Hey 85, welcome back.  Question for you... since CNU doesnt seem to have a clear cut best 6 or 7 guys, do you think they should play 10 of them 20 minutes a game and run a hectic, run-and-gun offense?  It would be hard for a few of them, like B'game, but I think he could do it for 20 minutes in 4 minute stretches.

I'd run and gun. CNU has he athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2010, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 11, 2010, 02:00:58 AM
Quote from: cnufanatic on February 10, 2010, 11:42:44 PM
Hello D3hoops, i've been at every one of CNU's home games this year and I really couldn't help myself but to comment of the lack of achievement for the mens basketball team.   

Every game?  Are you a player?  Even 85 doesn't go to ALL the games.

i think i just missed my first home game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2010, 10:20:43 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on February 12, 2010, 02:06:12 PM
CNU85,

Haven't been on here since way before xmas. Been laid up with back problems.....didn't feel up to going back over 100 pages of post. In a flash tell how the basketball season is going. I don't even know what Averett is doing so give me the full picture. Where will the tournment be this year?.

Hello to everyone, hopefully I will be feeling better by football season.


not much going on. 1st round of tournament are home games for higher seeds. Then it moves to CNU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 13, 2010, 10:21:35 PM
Captj,

I've figured it out. CJ will get #500 next year....against VWC. HAHAH - that would be poetic.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 14, 2010, 08:53:16 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 13, 2010, 10:21:35 PM
Captj,

I've figured it out. CJ will get #500 next year....against VWC. HAHAH - that would be poetic.
Send me email off this site if that happens. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 14, 2010, 05:16:09 PM
Halftime of the CNU-Ferrum game.  These stats don't seem to add up to a CNU lead, but they do.

FG    Ferrum 13/29 (45%)    CNU 11/27 (41%)
3PT    Ferrum 2/7 (29%)    CNU 3/13 (23%)
Reb    Ferrum 11/9/20    CNU 7/5/12
FT    Ferrum 2/3 (67%)    CNU 6/6 (100%)
TO    Ferrum 8    CNU 5

SCORE Ferrum 30    CNU 31

It looks to me that the Captains are stealing this one at the free throw line.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 14, 2010, 05:57:24 PM
It wasn't pretty but CNU hangs on for the 61-58 win.  Theo Baker hits a HUGE 3-ptr on Senior Day for the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 14, 2010, 06:03:19 PM
Mark Blasingame gets his 1000th career rebound to become only the 3rd CNU player to get 1000 points and 1000 rebounds.  Congratulations, Mark.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 14, 2010, 06:11:52 PM
CNU is now 5-5 in conference.  Ferrum now 4-7.  The way I see it, Ferrum can get no more than 5 wins, and since CNU swept them that should wrap up the #4 seed in the tournament.  Anyone see a flaw in this?  Now we need to win 2 on the road next weekend against the two 2-7 teams, AND get a win by NCW over Averett, and that should get us the 3rd seed.

N.C. Wesleyan 9-1  13-9
Shenandoah 7-3  10-13
Averett 6-5  9-14
Chris. Newport 5-5  10-12
Ferrum 4-7  10-14
Greensboro 2-7  9-13
Methodist 2-7  2-20
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 14, 2010, 09:17:42 PM
Karma was flowing the Captains way today as Chelsia and Theo both hit huge 3's from the same identical corner spot at the end of regulation.  Chelsia nailed her shot with 1.7 seconds left in regulation to send the game into OT and allow the girls to extend their unbeaten streak to 23 games.

Poor overall shooting night for CNU guys but much better effort defensively.  CNU got outrebounded by 8 and gave up 15 on the O glass.  CJ has to figure out how to fix the rebounding situation.  He loves to go with the shorter lineup but we get killed on the boards.  #33 Mitchell had 16 points and 21 boards for Ferrum and broke Hermann's nose with a monster two handed jame right over the guy.

The #3 seed is huge for CNU as I would hate to have to play these Ferrum guys again in the 1st round.  I'm a little mystified that they are 4-7 in conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 15, 2010, 06:20:43 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
And Hoops2010 said she nailed it with 1.7 seconds remaining.  Could she have shot it at 1.7 and the buzzer went off before the ball went through the basket?  What's the difference?  It was a clutch shot.  No need to be argumentive.

Tell me what you think about the chances of the Captains getting that 3rd seed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 15, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
The two key games are NCW @ Averett tomorrow night and CNU @ Greensboro on Friday.  The good news from CNU's perspective is that they will know exactly what they are playing for when they get on the bus Friday morning.

The NCW game would be fun to watch.  NCW has the #1 ranked offense in the league.  Averett has the #1 defense.  Does offense trump defense?  Even though they are on the road, my prediction is that Drake/Arrington get the best of Hart/Malone and NCW wins by 6.

CNU @ Greensboro could go either way.  The first game was a 15 point blow out until GC cut the lead down to 2 with a minute left.  A couple of baskets and some foul shots gave CNU a 9 pt win at home.  I think CNU grows tired of reading my posts and shows up ready to play team defense and rebound the basketball this weekend.  CNU by 8 in this one and then they take care of business Saturday @ MU to lock up the #3.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 15, 2010, 06:20:43 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
And Hoops2010 said she nailed it with 1.7 seconds remaining.  Could she have shot it at 1.7 and the buzzer went off before the ball went through the basket?  What's the difference?  It was a clutch shot.  No need to be argumentive.

Tell me what you think about the chances of the Captains getting that 3rd seed.

Actually, the distinction was important to me. Since it's a buzzer beater, it's eligible for inclusion on our Buzzer Beater page and I emailed CNU to request video of the shot based on 85's post.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2010, 09:49:08 PM
the monarchs get a well-deserved, much needed win today over su...carnes was had a big night with a double/double (21 and 13 if i remember correct) - i was hoping they would at least equal the football team win total :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 19, 2010, 11:24:31 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2010, 09:49:08 PM
the monarchs get a well-deserved, much needed win today over su...carnes was had a big night with a double/double (21 and 13 if i remember correct) - i was hoping they would at least equal the football team win total :)
Congratulations to the Monarchs, narch.  Getting a few wins at the end of this season will make a lot of difference to these guys during the off-season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 20, 2010, 11:18:22 AM
Congrats on the win last night Narch. If SU is going to lose to anybody, I would rather it be to you guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 20, 2010, 11:23:58 AM
A CNU win on the road in OT sets the table for tonight's game at MU.  A win gives CJ #499, the team a .500 record and the Captains the #3 seed.  A loss leaves CJ at 498 and means the Captains would need to beat NCW and make the tournament final next week for CJ to grab #500 this season.  It turns out the regular season finale is important for a bunch of reasons.

CNU didn't shoot the ball well at GC but played a good defensive game and was helped by GC's 36% shooting from the field.  Rebounding was good at +6 although we gave up another 14 offensive boards resulting in too many second chances.  Despite all that, CNU led by 8 with 2 1/2 minutes to play but a series of poor possessions, missed shots, turnovers and fouls let the Pride send this one into OT.  Even OT was no day at the beach as CNU led by 5 with 12 seconds to play but 2 clutch free throws by Paul Going iced the game.

This season has been a roller coaster.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 20, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
I think this is right –

1   NCW  11-1, 15-9
2   SU 7-5, 10-15
3   CNU 7-5, 12-12
4   AU 6-6, 9-15
5   FC 4-8, 10-15
6   GC 4-8, 11-14
7   MC 3-9, 3-22

1    NCW
BYE

4    AU
5    FC

3    CNU
6    GC

2    SU
7    MC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 20, 2010, 09:35:57 PM
If my bracket is right, I want to thank Shenandoah and NCW for handing Averett losses for their last 2 games.  IMHO, being the #3 seed is MUCH better than being the #4.  Both get a home game to open, but the #4 gets NCW in the 2nd round and the #3 gets the winner of SU vs. MC.  CNU might have lost to SU twice this year but IF we get by GC in the 1st round I don't think that the Hornets can beat us a third time (and 2nd time at the Freeman).  Not with a 4 game CNU winning streak going.  And since CNU is the only team to beat the Bishops this year, I like our chances at doing it again since the conference final is also in our gym. 

And finally, congrats to CJ for getting win #499.  GO CAPTAINS!  Beat Greensboro to give our HOF coach his 500th win.

GO CAPTAINS!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 20, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
Today I was once again totally disgusted with the way that the Captains opened the 2nd half.  Why are we so unprepared for the 2nd half of our games?  We went into the locker room with a 14 point lead and within minutes in the 2nd half it was gone.  CNU is 0-8 this year in games that we trailed at the half.  ZERO comeback wins.  And, since we lost 12 this year, we obviously have lost some of the games that we led at the half.  Is it stubbornness?  Lack of coaching savvy?  Fatigue?  Whatever it is, we need to do better.  Trailing at the half shouldn't mean an automatic loss.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 20, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
Oh, yeah.  Almost forgot.  Add this to the last post -

GO CAPTAINS!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!


GO CAPTAINS!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 21, 2010, 07:22:41 AM
One of this season's great mysteries is why CNU has been rarely able to string together two halves of good basketball.  No lead has been safe and yesterday was no exception. 

During MU's 20-5 run to open the 2nd half, you saw the same problems that have plagued the Captains all season....poor shot selection, turnovers and soft defense.  Everyone starts pressing.  Our shooting guards (Josh and Theo) step further and further back to take really early NBA length jump shots.  Our other shooting guard (the one without an outside shot) goes one on one to the basket several times and but doesn't get the ball to drop.  Hermann and Big Mark settle for jump shots when we should be posting up the big fellas.  4 turnovers result in easy transition baskets.  No defensive intensity as MU players are left wide open to knock down 3 pointers.  Most importantly, we seem to lack a Davon Barton type leader this year to take control and slow everybody down when things start to go haywire.

All said, two road wins should build good momentum for the tournament.  The team was +19 on the boards yesterday and only gave up 4 offensive rebounds.  I thought I was in heaven.   Good luck to CJ and the Captains this week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on February 21, 2010, 11:44:41 AM
Glad to see the Caps get two big road wins.  Couple of tough road losses for the Hornets, but Kline didn't play.  Anyone know his status?

The difference maker for me is Paul Going.   Paul is not the most athletic point guard, but he is most certainly heady.   And really do we need scoring from the PG?  We have plenty of guys who can put the ball in the hole.   Baker is by far my favorite #2 or #3.  He plays hard at both ends.  Russell seems to be a little frustrated, I sincerely hope he keeps his head in it, he can really stroke it and opens it up for our bigs.  When both Josh and Theo get it going we're a VERY dangerous team.  Conley is playing well, though he puts his head down a little too often going to the hole.  Also, while I like his toughness, needs to keep that 'tude in check during close games.  It cost us one and almost two.  Pretty good weekend for Hermann; 13-23 shooting / 16 rebs and B'game 11-16 shooting / 22 rebounds and 9 HUGE blocks. 

The beginning of the 2nd half was frustrating against Methodist.  Seemed we were in man-to-man.  Not sure why we didn't stay in the matchup zone which seemed to work best.  Carnes can flat out stroke it and is a tough matchup for our bigs.   What could have been with Carnes at the #4 and Marcus Conner at the #5.

Good luck Tuesday guys! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 21, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
USA-South tournament Championship is WIDE-OPEN!

Anyone could win this darn thing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 21, 2010, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 21, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
USA-South tournament Championship is WIDE-OPEN!

Anyone could win this darn thing.
Definitely, but I think the top 4 seeds have to be considered the favorites.  If I were betting I would select them in this order -

CNU
NCW
SU
AU

I think that home court advantage is the difference here.  CNU beat NCW at home once and has a great chance to do it again.  I like SU over AU because they beat the Captains in the Freeman Center.  They should have good memories there.  I also have AU last in my top 4 because I'm not sure they can get by FC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 22, 2010, 08:58:18 AM
According to the USASAC website, SU is playing in the tournament final on 2/27.  I think it's a little premature to be making that call.  Is SU97 the commissioner now?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2010, 01:26:20 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 21, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
USA-South tournament Championship is WIDE-OPEN!

Anyone could win this darn thing.
the monarchs are getting ready to go on a 3 game win streak :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2010, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 15, 2010, 06:20:43 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
And Hoops2010 said she nailed it with 1.7 seconds remaining.  Could she have shot it at 1.7 and the buzzer went off before the ball went through the basket?  What's the difference?  It was a clutch shot.  No need to be argumentive.

Tell me what you think about the chances of the Captains getting that 3rd seed.

Actually, the distinction was important to me. Since it's a buzzer beater, it's eligible for inclusion on our Buzzer Beater page and I emailed CNU to request video of the shot based on 85's post.

HAHA - so there Captj....quit arguing with me!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2010, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 15, 2010, 06:20:43 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
And Hoops2010 said she nailed it with 1.7 seconds remaining.  Could she have shot it at 1.7 and the buzzer went off before the ball went through the basket?  What's the difference?  It was a clutch shot.  No need to be argumentive.

Tell me what you think about the chances of the Captains getting that 3rd seed.

Actually, the distinction was important to me. Since it's a buzzer beater, it's eligible for inclusion on our Buzzer Beater page and I emailed CNU to request video of the shot based on 85's post.

Pat - I'd be interested to hear the response you received from CNU. Feel free to email.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 22, 2010, 02:13:37 PM
Quote from: cnububba on February 21, 2010, 11:44:41 AM
Glad to see the Caps get two big road wins.  Couple of tough road losses for the Hornets, but Kline didn't play.  Anyone know his status?

The difference maker for me is Paul Going.   Paul is not the most athletic point guard, but he is most certainly heady.   And really do we need scoring from the PG?  We have plenty of guys who can put the ball in the hole.   Baker is by far my favorite #2 or #3.  He plays hard at both ends.  Russell seems to be a little frustrated, I sincerely hope he keeps his head in it, he can really stroke it and opens it up for our bigs.  When both Josh and Theo get it going we're a VERY dangerous team.  Conley is playing well, though he puts his head down a little too often going to the hole.  Also, while I like his toughness, needs to keep that 'tude in check during close games.  It cost us one and almost two.  Pretty good weekend for Hermann; 13-23 shooting / 16 rebs and B'game 11-16 shooting / 22 rebounds and 9 HUGE blocks. 

The beginning of the 2nd half was frustrating against Methodist.  Seemed we were in man-to-man.  Not sure why we didn't stay in the matchup zone which seemed to work best.  Carnes can flat out stroke it and is a tough matchup for our bigs.   What could have been with Carnes at the #4 and Marcus Conner at the #5.

Good luck Tuesday guys! 


Problem is  - since his freshmen year, Theo "gets it going" only about 2-3 times a season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 22, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2010, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 15, 2010, 06:20:43 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
And Hoops2010 said she nailed it with 1.7 seconds remaining.  Could she have shot it at 1.7 and the buzzer went off before the ball went through the basket?  What's the difference?  It was a clutch shot.  No need to be argumentive.

Tell me what you think about the chances of the Captains getting that 3rd seed.

Actually, the distinction was important to me. Since it's a buzzer beater, it's eligible for inclusion on our Buzzer Beater page and I emailed CNU to request video of the shot based on 85's post.

HAHA - so there Captj....quit arguing with me!!  :D
There you go again... being argumentive (sic).   ;)

What's your perdiction for who will get the banner this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 22, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 22, 2010, 08:58:18 AM
According to the USASAC website, SU is playing in the tournament final on 2/27.  I think it's a little premature to be making that call.  Is SU97 the commissioner now?

+1 karma for you CaptJ! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2010, 12:41:29 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2010, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 15, 2010, 06:20:43 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
And Hoops2010 said she nailed it with 1.7 seconds remaining.  Could she have shot it at 1.7 and the buzzer went off before the ball went through the basket?  What's the difference?  It was a clutch shot.  No need to be argumentive.

Tell me what you think about the chances of the Captains getting that 3rd seed.

Actually, the distinction was important to me. Since it's a buzzer beater, it's eligible for inclusion on our Buzzer Beater page and I emailed CNU to request video of the shot based on 85's post.

Pat - I'd be interested to hear the response you received from CNU. Feel free to email.

The video was on the front page of D3hoops.com for a couple days last week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2010, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2010, 12:41:29 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 22, 2010, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 15, 2010, 06:20:43 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 14, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Schweers hit her 3 pointer at the buzzer.
And Hoops2010 said she nailed it with 1.7 seconds remaining.  Could she have shot it at 1.7 and the buzzer went off before the ball went through the basket?  What's the difference?  It was a clutch shot.  No need to be argumentive.

Tell me what you think about the chances of the Captains getting that 3rd seed.

Actually, the distinction was important to me. Since it's a buzzer beater, it's eligible for inclusion on our Buzzer Beater page and I emailed CNU to request video of the shot based on 85's post.

Pat - I'd be interested to hear the response you received from CNU. Feel free to email.

The video was on the front page of D3hoops.com for a couple days last week.

Sweet. Thanks Pat. I found it in Buzzer Beaters. I'll make sure to tell the guy who jumped up and got his big head in the way to sit down next time since I know him. Looking for an exciting night tonight at CNU. LAdy Captains play first. Then the men play and a victory will give CJ Woolum #500!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 23, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
I think the Hornets will edge the Monarchs tonight in overtime. I don't feel good about Friday, with SU missing 26 pts and 14 boards per game, it may be one and done at the Freeman. Last weekend is the prime example, with Kline and Dudley out SU loses both games and can't compete. The pressure sits with Robertson and Schreader to lead this team and do the impossible. Good luck Hornets!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 23, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
25-31 ...56 ... Methodist Monarchs (3-23)
25-35 ...60 ... Shenandoah Hornets (11-15)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2010, 10:04:25 PM
Congrats to CJ Woollum...win #500 in 26 seasons. Nice crowd. Very nice celebrations afterwards. Good to see Bruce Hornsby in the stands!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 23, 2010, 11:06:15 PM
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-greensboro-cnu-men-pictures,0,2975997.photogallery (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-greensboro-cnu-men-pictures,0,2975997.photogallery)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 23, 2010, 11:25:08 PM
Had a scare in Winchester tonight...wasn't quite sure what the game plan was but at least the Hornets got away with a 60-56 victory.  Dudley played a decent amount with practically a club on his right hand..he really can't shoot but he did hit a jump shot in 25 minutes of play.  Kline was only put in for 8 minutes and I wasn't too sure why he wasn't in more, I know we want him 100% come friday but I mean come on..if we didn't win tonight - we dont get to Friday.  He was put in the final 3 minutes of the first half and scored right away then was finally put back in the final 5 minutes of the game when Methodist came back to tie it and just with Kline's presence..the crowd got back into it and he made crucial passes to Schrader who scored or got fouled...I tell ya what..Kline and dudley back to 100% by Friday...3 times to CNU is one season is tough but CNU did do it to them last year...this is going to be a TOUGH exciting game to watch
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 24, 2010, 04:43:12 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D  CAPTAINS WIN!  Congratulations to CJ Woollum on his 500th career win as head coach at CNU.  Truly an incredible acheivement.    ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 24, 2010, 05:02:20 PM
USASAC All Conference Awards -

Player of the Year                                                                 
Trey Drake - N.C. Wesleyan

Rookie of the Year                           
Chakiris Moss - Greensboro

Coach of the Year                                                                   
John Thompson - N.C. Wesleyan                                     

First Team      
Jarmel Arrington - N.C. Wesleyan
Trey Drake - N.C. Wesleyan
Kevin Kline - Shenandoah
Brandon Malone - Averett
Derek Mitchell - Ferrum      

Second Team      
Mark Blasingame - Christopher Newport
Tanner Carnes - Methodist
Adam Powell - Greensboro
Chris Schrader - Shenandoah
Conley Taylor - Christopher Newport      
      
Honorable Mention
Mitchell Dudley - Shenandoah
Chad Hardway - Averett
Mark Jernigan - Methodist
Tyler Sigman - Methodist
RJ Smith - Greensboro
Lamont Stokes - N.C. Wesleyan
Jerrell Wade - Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 24, 2010, 05:08:19 PM
To me, the most unusual thing about the all conference awards this year is that the rookie of the year didn't even make the honorable mention team.  Some years we have had rookies who should have been POTY.  We have been so accustomed to incredible freshmen in this conference and this year there wasn't one.  Hmmmm... what could that mean?  That NO team in the conference can recruit the really good ones?  I hope that isn't it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 24, 2010, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 23, 2010, 11:25:08 PM
Kline and dudley back to 100% by Friday
50 - not gonna happen. Both guys are seriously injured, each may get 20 minutes at most. My respect for Dudley's heart and drive continues to rise. He was out there grabbing rebounds with one hand...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Predictions??

NCW  94  Averett 80
SU     73 CNU  68

NCW vs SU meet in the finals
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 25, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Predictions??

NCW  94  Averett 80
SU     73 CNU  68

NCW vs SU meet in the finals
Let me get this straight.  SU's TWO best players are injured and you think they can beat CNU a 2nd time this year in Newport News?  And 3rd time overall?  I admire your dedication, but I'll make a wager with you.  The loser has to write a VERY complimentary post exalting the greatness of the winning team.  200 words mimimum.  Agreed?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 25, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Predictions??

NCW  94  Averett 80
SU     73 CNU  68

NCW vs SU meet in the finals
Let me get this straight.  SU's TWO best players are injured and you think they can beat CNU a 2nd time this year in Newport News?  And 3rd time overall?  I admire your dedication, but I'll make a wager with you.  The loser has to write a VERY complimentary post exalting the greatness of the winning team.  200 words mimimum.  Agreed?


Remember CaptJ, SU is a private school and I would expect no less than 400 words.

Or a 5 drink minimum.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: SU97 on February 25, 2010, 10:24:41 PM
I don't think there's any question that the POTY, ROTY and COTY picks were unanimous. Had the Hornets won both games over the past weekend I would have given Coach Harris the COTY (since CaptJ gave me the job of commish). I think they have done a great job with a team I was not expecting to win more than about 5 games this year. To finish second is something the SU staff should feel proud about, regardless of the outcome of this coming weekend.

I was quite surprised to see Kline as a first teammer. Not that he isn't that caliber of player, but he missed about 5 games in the conference. Am I correct assuming that conference awards are based mainly on conference stats? But I am pleased that the conference felt he was good enough to merit the selection. The only change I see is to switch Methodist's Carnes for AU's Malone. Carnes showed again Tuesday night that he belongs in the first team.  That guy is the complete player.

Schrader was a solid second team pick for SU. He still is a bit of a mystery to me. Shows up for a half, then disappears... but, in a major way for the Hornets, he showed up for the final 10 minutes against Methodist on Tuesday night and hit shots at the end of the game. He has the tools.

It's great to see SU's Dudley get some recognition. He's been a huge pick-up for the Hornets this year. His determination and will-to-win is something that doesn't come across in the boxscore, but is evident in the gym. I mean, the guy plays with, to quote 50, "a club" on his shooting hand and still grabs 8 boards Tuesday night....

It is a shame Robertson got overlooked. I had never been very impressed with him, in fact I figured he would be moved to a secondary position by the staff for PG Adams early in the season.

Boy, was I wrong.

Of all the players on SU's team Robertson has been the one guy who has carried this team to second place. It seems that when SU needed a key bucket, he would produce. When SU needs a rebound, he's underneath banging with the Bigs and coming up with a board. He's a tough kid and I was very impressed with his growth over this year. I think he was overlooked for all-conference. He turned out to be a great player and I hope he can find a way to win two more games. He will be the guy to do it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 05:13:57 AM
Quote from: SU97 on February 25, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 25, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Predictions??

NCW  94  Averett 80
SU     73 CNU  68

NCW vs SU meet in the finals
Let me get this straight.  SU's TWO best players are injured and you think they can beat CNU a 2nd time this year in Newport News?  And 3rd time overall?  I admire your dedication, but I'll make a wager with you.  The loser has to write a VERY complimentary post exalting the greatness of the winning team.  200 words mimimum.  Agreed?


Remember CaptJ, SU is a private school and I would expect no less than 400 words.

Or a 5 drink minimum.
I am still waiting for someone to post one of the following:

"Agreed."
"You're on."
"Your on."  (Since these are SU guys I'm communicating with.)

Do we have a wager, gents?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 26, 2010, 09:16:51 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 05:13:57 AM
Quote from: SU97 on February 25, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 25, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Predictions??

NCW  94  Averett 80
SU     73 CNU  68

NCW vs SU meet in the finals
Let me get this straight.  SU's TWO best players are injured and you think they can beat CNU a 2nd time this year in Newport News?  And 3rd time overall?  I admire your dedication, but I'll make a wager with you.  The loser has to write a VERY complimentary post exalting the greatness of the winning team.  200 words mimimum.  Agreed?


Remember CaptJ, SU is a private school and I would expect no less than 400 words.

Or a 5 drink minimum.
I am still waiting for someone to post one of the following:

"Agreed."
"You're on."
"Your on."  (Since these are SU guys I'm communicating with.)

Do we have a wager, gents?

AGREED.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 26, 2010, 09:17:45 AM
Maybe "there" (or "their") not listening.  :)

Oops, now I see someone was. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 26, 2010, 09:16:51 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 05:13:57 AM
Quote from: SU97 on February 25, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 25, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Predictions??

NCW  94  Averett 80
SU     73 CNU  68

NCW vs SU meet in the finals
Let me get this straight.  SU's TWO best players are injured and you think they can beat CNU a 2nd time this year in Newport News?  And 3rd time overall?  I admire your dedication, but I'll make a wager with you.  The loser has to write a VERY complimentary post exalting the greatness of the winning team.  200 words mimimum.  Agreed?


Remember CaptJ, SU is a private school and I would expect no less than 400 words.

Or a 5 drink minimum.
I am still waiting for someone to post one of the following:

"Agreed."
"You're on."
"Your on."  (Since these are SU guys I'm communicating with.)

Do we have a wager, gents?

AGREED.
The PERFECT response. ;D  Thanks for being a good sport about it.  +1.  May the best team win.

GO CAPTAINS!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 26, 2010, 09:16:51 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 05:13:57 AM
Quote from: SU97 on February 25, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 25, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
Predictions??

NCW  94  Averett 80
SU     73 CNU  68

NCW vs SU meet in the finals
Let me get this straight.  SU's TWO best players are injured and you think they can beat CNU a 2nd time this year in Newport News?  And 3rd time overall?  I admire your dedication, but I'll make a wager with you.  The loser has to write a VERY complimentary post exalting the greatness of the winning team.  200 words mimimum.  Agreed?


Remember CaptJ, SU is a private school and I would expect no less than 400 words.

Or a 5 drink minimum.
I am still waiting for someone to post one of the following:

"Agreed."
"You're on."
"Your on."  (Since these are SU guys I'm communicating with.)

Do we have a wager, gents?

AGREED.
Dust off your thesaurus.  You're going to need it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 09:27:45 PM
At the half it's CNU 42, SU 34.  Conley Taylor hits a 3 with 7 seconds left for the nice lead.  Captains can't get complacent though.  They led at the half in both losses to SU this year, one time by 15 points.  Captains MUST open the 2nd half with intensity.  As usual, Captains are giving up way too many offensive rebounds.  SU has 10/10 to lead on the glass 20-16.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 09:40:09 PM
Of the live stat applications I've seen this year, Sidearm is by far the best.  I just noticed a very nifty "momentumeter" feature.  Right now it's slightly on the CNU side. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 10:25:36 PM
 ;D  Captains maintain the intensity in the 2nd half and beat SU by 13.   ;D

CNU now on a 5 game winning streak.  It should be a great game against NCW tomorrow for the banner.  Regardless of who wins, USASAC gets a new rep in the NCAA this year.  No four-peat for AU.

Oh, yeah... you owe me 400, usasouth50.  In case you need a reminder, "The loser has to write a VERY complimentary post exalting the greatness of the winning team."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 26, 2010, 11:47:12 PM
CaptJ...you'll get it tomorrow.  Good luck in the championship
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 26, 2010, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: usasouth50 on February 26, 2010, 11:47:12 PM
CaptJ...you'll get it tomorrow.  Good luck in the championship
Thanks, a win tomorrow would turn around the entire season for CNU. 

Your Hornets were game today.  They hit a lot of FT's late but earlier they couldn't make them at all.  Meanwhile, CNU was making almost all of theirs.  Who knows what would have happened if the opposite were true.  Or if your entire team was healthy.  Both teams played a great game.  I think that if CNU plays as well tomorrow they have a great chance to win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on February 27, 2010, 07:43:28 AM
It was a great day for USA South basketball.  I got off early and went over to see both boys semi-final games as well as the CNU girls game.  Crowds were good at the Freeman and the basketball was high quality.  Both finals will be fun to watch today.

CNU will need bring their A game to this war near the shore.  That NCW team loves to rebound and run, run and then run some more.  They remind me of the old Paul Westhead run and gun Loyola teams that didn't play much defense but shot the ball every 8 seconds and routinely put up 90+ points.  Coach Thompson even looks a little like Westhead although I see some Pat Reilly in his GQ look as well.

I'm hoping our crafty and sly 501 win coach has some tricks up his sleeve for stopping the ball early and slowing down the track meet.  Shooting 50% again and making them inbound the ball would be a nice start.  Controlling the tempo and limiting the transition buckets will be important.  Make them work for everything.  NCW will go down fighting.  With six seniors graduating and no juniors on this team, I think it will be all in for Drake, Arrington, Stokes and Frazier.  Good luck to the Captains today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on February 27, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
Well cnu 82 su 69.  I guess the saying they always use is that you can't beat one team three times in a season is true. Cnu came out and battled and blasigame didn't really miss but the catalyst in this game to me was theo baker. Where has that theo been all year captj? With that being said, cnu has potential to be the most talented team in the conference any given night and best of luck to them vs ncw. Dudley played tough but missed jump shots and free throws due to his hand. Kline wasn't as aggresive as we are used to seeing from him however they both nearly finished with double doubles. BryAn hit threes and Kenny forced a lot and play okay, don't let the 18 fool you..those were all late. Cnu has my respect after the yEar they had, they might very well still get into the NCAA tournament. I tried to stand tall for my hornets but drowned under the boat of the cAptains. Captj, to your credit and good sportsmanship..congrats to you and the captains. The hornets do look promising for next year with bryan Dudley and kline senior year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 04:53:09 PM
There is a lot about your Hornets but I'll take it.  Thanks for the nice words.  And BTW, if you remember, the Hornets were my sentimental second favorite this year. 

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
After falling down 12-2 to start the game, the Captains tie it at 20-20 on a 3-ptr by Theo Baker.  Xavier Parham comes in off the bench to spark the run.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 05:09:05 PM
Yesterday I was very impressed by Sidearm Stats but it seems that today it is being operated by idiots.  They have the teams switched in places, most glaringly in the score fields.  They have photos of CNU players next to NCW player stats.  It is either that or Trey Drake looks a lot like Jake Capin.   ???  I don't think so.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
At the half it's CNU 35, NCW 31.  Wow, I wish I was watching this one.  Captains 52% on FGs to the Bishops 31%.  This offsets the brutal rebounding advantage that the Bishops have.  NCW has 13/11/24 and CNU has 2/12/14.  Look at that closely.  NCW has more OFFENSIVE rebounds than CNU has TOTAL rebounds.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 27, 2010, 05:26:53 PM
You can WATCH it LIVE at the following link:

http://www.stretchinternet.com/flash/player/palliate.php?event=usasouth&pass=29301755
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 05:34:08 PM
Quote from: USA_Fan on February 27, 2010, 05:26:53 PM
You can WATCH it LIVE at the following link:

http://www.stretchinternet.com/flash/player/palliate.php?event=usasouth&pass=29301755
Thanks, Fan.  I tried it yesterday also but my connection is too slow to watch it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 06:17:24 PM
I need oxygen!  What a finish!  In the last seconds Mark Blasingame gets TWO offensive rebounds off missed free throws to preserve the WIN FOR THE CAPTAINS!!!!!  Put that banner up there with the others.  CNU is in the dance.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
If Mark Blasingame doesn't win tournament MVP there should be an audit.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on February 27, 2010, 06:24:53 PM
Unbelievable
Congrats CNU

from a proud alum and former Ass't SID
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on February 27, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 05:09:05 PM
Yesterday I was very impressed by Sidearm Stats but it seems that today it is being operated by idiots.  They have the teams switched in places, most glaringly in the score fields.  They have photos of CNU players next to NCW player stats.  It is either that or Trey Drake looks a lot like Jake Capin.   ???  I don't think so.  ::)

Having a little knowledge on this - I wouldnt say operated by idiots.  Since CNU is the visiting team the program may not allow the switching of headshots and headers.   The headers had NCWC winning - it took me adding up the points in the last minute to say WOW CNU is ahead
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2010, 07:16:28 PM
congrats to the capts! i've got to say, i'm not shocked...ncwc has a history of being the most talented team in the conference and sitting at home come tourney time...

regardless, the capts took care of business and i hope they rep the conrference well in the ncaa's
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2010, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: nnasid on February 27, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 05:09:05 PM
Yesterday I was very impressed by Sidearm Stats but it seems that today it is being operated by idiots.  They have the teams switched in places, most glaringly in the score fields.  They have photos of CNU players next to NCW player stats.  It is either that or Trey Drake looks a lot like Jake Capin.   ???  I don't think so.  ::)

Having a little knowledge on this - I wouldnt say operated by idiots.  Since CNU is the visiting team the program may not allow the switching of headshots and headers.   The headers had NCWC winning - it took me adding up the points in the last minute to say WOW CNU is ahead

That's not true, you can switch the mug shots.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Mongoose!  Where have you been, oh great slayer of snakes?  Lurking?  Were you the "guest" that was watching anonymously all season?  How is the new job?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 27, 2010, 09:10:24 PM
a pretty good day the Freeman. Best part...a lengthy halftime chat with Donte Selden. Seems he's living life the way he played hoops....all out! Good to see he's giving back by coaching and mentoring youth. I always liked and respected him as a player. Now I respect him as a man!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2010, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Mongoose!  Where have you been, oh great slayer of snakes?  Lurking?  Were you the "guest" that was watching anonymously all season?  How is the new job?

No I wasnt the guest that was "watching" all season. Things are could be better, job's isnt bad. How are things with you?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 10:47:00 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2010, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Mongoose!  Where have you been, oh great slayer of snakes?  Lurking?  Were you the "guest" that was watching anonymously all season?  How is the new job?

No I wasnt the guest that was "watching" all season. Things are could be better, job's isnt bad. How are things with you?

Warm tropical breezes, mango rum punch, white sand, brown female skin... Moalboal.  It doesn't get any better than this!  Actually, since I put that on my profile we've added a bouncing baby boy.  Maybe a future 6-3 PG for the Captains.

Hey, if you really haven't been lurking, go back and read all my posts about WHY I think that CJ should move on and tell me if you agree with me.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: cnububba on February 28, 2010, 11:40:15 AM
CONGRATS to the Captains!   Awesome effort all three games!   GREAT job by Parham, Preston, Green, Capin and Parham off the bench against NCW!   Especially by Xavier and Matt in the first half!  Xavier hit some BIG baskets to get us back in the game.  Matt did a good job stepping in for Bgame when he got into a little foul trouble in the first half.  As always, was very active on the defensive end.   Drake 4 3-pointers in first 6 minutes; four points remainder of the game.  Not a good offensive day for Theo, but great defensive effort.  Only negative; rebounds!   We must send five to the glass and give our big some help.  Our 4s had one rebound—total!   HUGE 3 by Brian Herrmann with 1:27 to go!   Cannot say enough about the big guy; 10 points, 8 rebounds and 2 blocks in 2nd half.   Bgame's last two rebounds in the Freeman helped seal the deal, what a great way to go out!    Conley finished the season strong and sealed the deal at the line.  The guy is tough and brings 'tude to every game.   Lastly, congrats to Paul Going for steadying what seemed to be a sinking ship.  His impact cannot be measured in numbers, but his court demeanor and savvy down the stretch was the difference.

Good luck in the tourney!     
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 28, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 10:47:00 PM
Quote from: Rikki_Tikki_Tavi on February 27, 2010, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on February 27, 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Mongoose!  Where have you been, oh great slayer of snakes?  Lurking?  Were you the "guest" that was watching anonymously all season?  How is the new job?

No I wasnt the guest that was "watching" all season. Things are could be better, job's isnt bad. How are things with you?

Warm tropical breezes, mango rum punch, white sand, brown female skin... Moalboal.  It doesn't get any better than this!  Actually, since I put that on my profile we've added a bouncing baby boy.  Maybe a future 6-3 PG for the Captains.

Hey, if you really haven't been lurking, go back and read all my posts about WHY I think that CJ should move on and tell me if you agree with me.

Congrats on the baby boy! Ill go back and read your posts and shoot you an email.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 01, 2010, 12:07:36 PM
#4 Guilford. Oh crap!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: maroon2 on March 01, 2010, 12:09:18 PM
Lynchburg played them within 8 Friday night and The Capts were able to take Lynchburg into OT so maybe you guys can play them tight!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 01, 2010, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: maroon2 on March 01, 2010, 12:09:18 PM
Lynchburg played them within 8 Friday night and The Capts were able to take Lynchburg into OT so maybe you guys can play them tight!

Lynchburg played well, but, as mentioned earlier, Guilford missed 16 FT's in that game.  When everything's normal, I think GC's about 15 points better than LC in the games I've seen.

I look forward to having CNU, JCU and Maryville at Guilford.  If anyone needs directions or tips on the area, let me know.  Congratulations to the Captains - the postseason is always special!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: maroon2 on March 01, 2010, 01:10:46 PM
Guilford missed more free throws than Lynchburg took 15 to lynhcburg attempting 10.

LC played a whale of a game but you are right Guilford is by far the better team! But you know as well as I do in tourneys the better team doesn't alway win!

That being said I don't see CNU having much of a chance with Guilford!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 01, 2010, 02:46:24 PM
Quote from: maroon2 on March 01, 2010, 01:10:46 PM
Guilford missed more free throws than Lynchburg took 15 to lynhcburg attempting 10.

LC played a whale of a game but you are right Guilford is by far the better team! But you know as well as I do in tourneys the better team doesn't alway win!

That being said I don't see CNU having much of a chance with Guilford!
Well, I'm definitely a Guilford fan, but that's what everyone said when GC hosted St. Mary's (MD) when Ben Strong was a Senior.  I'll never forget the disappointment that night when both Averett and Guilford lost in the first round!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 01, 2010, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 01, 2010, 12:07:36 PM
#4 Guilford. Oh crap!

:o  Uh, yeah.  I was hoping that the projection of Dallas-Texas would be right, or even VWC. 

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GoQuakers on March 02, 2010, 09:10:33 AM
CaptJ, what can you tell Quaker fans about CNU?  I looked up some stats and see that Taylor is the leading scorer and Blasingame looks to be a force averaging a double/double.  What is the story with Green?  He is the second leading scorer but only plays 10-13 minutes in the conference tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 02, 2010, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: GoQuakers on March 02, 2010, 09:10:33 AM
CaptJ, what can you tell Quaker fans about CNU?  I looked up some stats and see that Taylor is the leading scorer and Blasingame looks to be a force averaging a double/double.  What is the story with Green?  He is the second leading scorer but only plays 10-13 minutes in the conference tourney?

CaptJ can't tell you squat. He lives in the Phillipines and hasn't seen a CNU game in a couple of years. If you looked up stats, you would probably be just as much in the know!

:D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 02, 2010, 07:04:50 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2010, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: GoQuakers on March 02, 2010, 09:10:33 AM
CaptJ, what can you tell Quaker fans about CNU?  I looked up some stats and see that Taylor is the leading scorer and Blasingame looks to be a force averaging a double/double.  What is the story with Green?  He is the second leading scorer but only plays 10-13 minutes in the conference tourney?

CaptJ can't tell you squat. He lives in the Phillipines and hasn't seen a CNU game in a couple of years. If you looked up stats, you would probably be just as much in the know!

:D
You got that right, 85.  I see all my games through the eyes of the CNU radio announcer.  So, I defer to you... please provide the information that Mr. GQ has requested.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on March 02, 2010, 11:54:20 PM
Me too.

Saw the scores pop over the weekend and wondered if CNU was just getting hot at the right time or if there was something else going on.

Think most people could toss their brackets out the window if CNU and MC played second round, but thats a matchup I've hoped to see somewhere over the last few seasons.

85 are you going? I think I still owe you a beer from the MC -CNU 2007 football game up there. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 03, 2010, 07:49:26 AM
Quote from: batteredbard on March 02, 2010, 11:54:20 PM


85 are you going? I think I still owe you a beer from the MC -CNU 2007 football game up there. ;D


Usually it is the other way around.  85 owes me several beers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 07:48:08 PM
The Guilford/CNU game can be seen free (I think) Friday night by going to www.guilford.edu, men's basketball, schedule and the CNU game.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 05:18:07 AM
Quote from: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 07:48:08 PM
The Guilford/CNU game can be seen free (I think) Friday night by going to www.guilford.edu, men's basketball, schedule and the CNU game.  Enjoy!
Thanks, nova.  I hope my island internet connection is fast enough. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 05:18:07 AM
Quote from: hasanova on March 03, 2010, 07:48:08 PM
The Guilford/CNU game can be seen free (I think) Friday night by going to www.guilford.edu, men's basketball, schedule and the CNU game.  Enjoy!
Thanks, nova.  I hope my island internet connection is fast enough. 
I hope it is, too!  What time is it in the Phillipines when the game's on - about 11 am Saturday?  Go to Guilford's website before the game and take a look at the roofline of the gym - if you've never been there before, it's certainly beautiful, if not unique!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 04, 2010, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 10:07:43 AMGo to Guilford's website before the game and take a look at the roofline of the gym - if you've never been there before, it's certainly beautiful, if not unique!
'nova - is the dyslexia kicking in a bit...i think you meant it's certainly unique, if not beautiful :)

in all seriousness, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and also depends on the vantage point...having been inside of ragan-brown a few times (although not since the most recent renovations), it is stunning from the inside...perhaps at the expense of exterior beauty - there is, however, no denying the uniqueness of the structure and architecture
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Don't forget, final three-plus hours to enter the D3hoops.com bracket challenge.

You have extra time for the women's bracket, since the first game isn't until 4 p.m. ET on Friday.

http://www.d3hoops.com/pickem/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 04:41:37 PM
Quote from: narch on March 04, 2010, 03:15:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 10:07:43 AMGo to Guilford's website before the game and take a look at the roofline of the gym - if you've never been there before, it's certainly beautiful, if not unique!
'nova - is the dyslexia kicking in a bit...i think you meant it's certainly unique, if not beautiful :)

in all seriousness, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and also depends on the vantage point...having been inside of ragan-brown a few times (although not since the most recent renovations), it is stunning from the inside...perhaps at the expense of exterior beauty - there is, however, no denying the uniqueness of the structure and architecture
Point well taken, narch, but I was actually very careful to word it the way I did.  I was always taught to avoid phrases like "very unique" because it's either unique (one of a kind) or it isn't.  I've known for a long time that Amherst in the NESCAC has the same roofline style and I recently heard about a third school (but I can't remember who it is!).  Perhaps Pat Coleman or another poster can tell me.  :)

So, as you can see, it does, in my mind, have a beautiful interior (I agree about the exterior), but it's not unique.  At any rate, however, I think it's safe to say a first-time viewer or visitor will surely take a few minutes to look up and around to savor the venue before the game even begins!

Okay, speaking of dyslexia, here's my favorite joke:

Q. What does a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac do in the middle of the night?
A.  He stays awake and wonders if there really is a Dog.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 05:37:23 PM
Clark is the other school.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 04, 2010, 05:37:23 PM
Clark is the other school.
Thanks.  I had a hunch you'd know! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
Hey, nova, I took a look at the photo of your gym on the men's hoops webpage.  I agree, the interior is quite beautiful.  Is there a photo of the exterior somewhere?  It looks like a great place for a "dance."  If I were still in Virginia I would be very tempted to make the drive to Greensboro for the game.

BTW, the time here is 13 hours ahead of EST during daylight savings time, 12 hours the rest of the year.  I will be watching the game at 9AM on Saturday.  That means I've already experienced Friday night so if you want to know in advance who won the game, just send me a message. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 07:08:05 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
Hey, nova, I took a look at the photo of your gym on the men's hoops webpage.  I agree, the interior is quite beautiful.  Is there a photo of the exterior somewhere?  It looks like a great place for a "dance."  If I were still in Virginia I would be very tempted to make the drive to Greensboro for the game.

BTW, the time here is 13 hours ahead of EST during daylight savings time, 12 hours the rest of the year.  I will be watching the game at 9AM on Saturday.  That means I've already experienced Friday night so if you want to know in advance who won the game, just send me a message. ;)
CaptJ, this link's probably a better view, but still doesn't show the highest "peaks" in the exterior roofline.  If you look at the "beach" volleyball court photo, you'll see two sections of the basketball side in the background ... the high points are out of view to the left.  Give me a day or so and I'll send a photo to your email.

http://www.guilford.edu/athletics/facilities.html

The timing issue reminds me of the movie "The Sting", but I'm not sure that's how it'll work!  lol  BTW, what am I going to have for supper tonight?  I don't have a clue!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 07:53:25 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on March 02, 2010, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: GoQuakers on March 02, 2010, 09:10:33 AM
CaptJ, what can you tell Quaker fans about CNU?  I looked up some stats and see that Taylor is the leading scorer and Blasingame looks to be a force averaging a double/double.  What is the story with Green?  He is the second leading scorer but only plays 10-13 minutes in the conference tourney?

CaptJ can't tell you squat. He lives in the Phillipines and hasn't seen a CNU game in a couple of years. If you looked up stats, you would probably be just as much in the know!

:D
Since 85 hasn't been any help I will weigh in here.  Even though I only see a game through an internet connection I still feel like I know a few things about the Captains.  And since 85 doesn't have the time to help, I'll do my best.  This is just one man's opinion.

CNU is a team full of underachievers.  Even though we have had a disappointing season I think we can still be dangerous.  We have the very bad habit of playing to the level of our competition.  We have played our best games against our strongest opponents.  NC Wesleyan was supposed to be the best team in our conference but we beat them 2 out of 3 games.  You can expect that we will be prepared for the game against your Quakers. 

We have some very good players who seem to be coming alive right now.  Conley Taylor has played great the 2nd half of the season and can turn into a scoring machine at times.  Mark Blasingame is a career 1000/1000 player who is VERY good at shotblocking.  I think he is 3rd all time in D3.  Sanford is not going to have an easy night against Mark.  Brian Herrmann has also played much stronger the last half of the season.  Most thought he would be a solid first team player this year but it seemed to take him a while to come into his own, or maybe it took our coach that long to recognize his talent.  We have some very good shooters.  Josh Russell, Theo Baker and Jake Capin can all light it up from outside.  Our weakness is at point guard, which is a tradional strength of CNU teams.  We have a guy with experience but a fear of taking it to the hoop.  We have a young guy who is fearless but sometimes that is his weakness.  Altogether the team seems to be peaking at the right time.  It might not be enough to pull out a win but I think they will fight for this one.  I wish I could be there to watch it.

GO CAPTAINS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 04, 2010, 07:08:05 PM

The timing issue reminds me of the movie "The Sting", but I'm not sure that's how it'll work!  lol  BTW, what am I going to have for supper tonight?  I don't have a clue!
It will be something with rice.  No, wait... that's me.  I guess this won't work after all.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on March 04, 2010, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
Hey, nova, I took a look at the photo of your gym on the men's hoops webpage.  I agree, the interior is quite beautiful.  Is there a photo of the exterior somewhere?  It looks like a great place for a "dance."  If I were still in Virginia I would be very tempted to make the drive to Greensboro for the game.

BTW, the time here is 13 hours ahead of EST during daylight savings time, 12 hours the rest of the year.  I will be watching the game at 9AM on Saturday.  That means I've already experienced Friday night so if you want to know in advance who won the game, just send me a message. ;)
It should be against NCAA rules to reveal the results of a game before it is actually played.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 08:23:40 PM
Quote from: sludge on March 04, 2010, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on March 04, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
Hey, nova, I took a look at the photo of your gym on the men's hoops webpage.  I agree, the interior is quite beautiful.  Is there a photo of the exterior somewhere?  It looks like a great place for a "dance."  If I were still in Virginia I would be very tempted to make the drive to Greensboro for the game.

BTW, the time here is 13 hours ahead of EST during daylight savings time, 12 hours the rest of the year.  I will be watching the game at 9AM on Saturday.  That means I've already experienced Friday night so if you want to know in advance who won the game, just send me a message. ;)
It should be against NCAA rules to reveal the results of a game before it is actually played.

Hey, I made a bundle on the Superbowl this year.   ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ViewfromtheJames on March 05, 2010, 10:32:45 AM
From the Newport News Daily Press ...

By Melinda Waldrop

Statistically speaking, this season ranks a little below C.J. Woollum's standards.

But the 15 wins Woollum has directed his Christopher Newport men's basketball team to — in a year filled with lineup shuffles and losing streaks — may be among the most impressive of a 26-year career that now numbers 502 victories and counting.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cj_0305mar05,0,5652053.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cj_0305mar05,0,5652053.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 05, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: ViewfromtheJames on March 05, 2010, 10:32:45 AM
From the Newport News Daily Press ...

By Melinda Waldrop

Statistically speaking, this season ranks a little below C.J. Woollum's standards.

But the 15 wins Woollum has directed his Christopher Newport men's basketball team to — in a year filled with lineup shuffles and losing streaks — may be among the most impressive of a 26-year career that now numbers 502 victories and counting.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cj_0305mar05,0,5652053.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cj_0305mar05,0,5652053.story)
Thank you, Lynn Burke.  Why don't you stay around and do more than promote the Daily Press?  I'm sure you have a lot of insight to offer here.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 05, 2010, 10:43:41 PM
Conley Taylor scored at 4:58 of the first half to put the Captains up by one but it seemed like that woke up the Quakers because they proceeded to go on a 13-2 run to close the half up by 10.  Second half all Quakers.  What a great team.

Congrats to the Captains for resurrecting the season by winning their 17th NCAA banner.  I'm looking forward to next year.  We lose some starters.  Theo Baker seems to have been a Captain for a decade.  He just missed out on getting 1000 career points.  Too bad he slept through huge stretches of several games.  Josh Russell and his scoring will also be missed.  We also lose our 1000/1000 work horse Mark Blasingame, but I think we have plenty of talent remaining for a coach to build on.  We MUST get a good point guard to be competitive.  I look forward to new faces next year, one in particular.

GO CAPTAINS!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 05, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
Sorry I didn't see your message about holding up a sign, CaptJ.  We were top row directly across from the CNU bench.  Blasingame is a fine player - I'd take him on my team any day!

As you know, GC was 12 of 25 on threes ... Bonner was 8 of 10 and had 28 points.  The Quakers have a strong inside game, too.

Congratulations to the Captains on a fine season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 06, 2010, 12:41:51 AM
Quote from: hasanova on March 05, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
Sorry I didn't see your message about holding up a sign, CaptJ.  We were top row directly across from the CNU bench.  Blasingame is a fine player - I'd take him on my team any day!

As you know, GC was 12 of 25 on threes ... Bonner was 8 of 10 and had 28 points.  The Quakers have a strong inside game, too.

Congratulations to the Captains on a fine season!
Thanks, nova.  Best of luck to the Quakers and the rest of the ODAC teams.  The South Region is well represented this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on March 06, 2010, 07:10:50 AM
The mystical spell of the pink warm up shirts came to an end after 6 straight wins.  Looks like we can start next year in the regular gear.  CNU gave them a game for 15 minutes but Bonner and Sanborn proved too much to handle for the Captains.  Once CNU fell behind and got out of any offensive rhythm, it seemed that every possession became a one shot and done display of Newport News YMCA street ball.

I thought Big Mark did a decent job on the ODAC POY although Sanborn still finished with 16 points and completely dominated the boards with 17 rebounds.  Bonner was equally impressive for the Quakers.  He actually missed a couple of shots to show us that he is human but 8-10 from 3 point land was awesome.  CNU sat in their 2-3 zone most of the night and was kind of slow on the rotations leaving the weak side totally exposed.  Bonner took full advantage as #34 was wide open to knock down 3 after 3.

As it has gone recently, the Captains got out rebounded 46-27 and were -9 on the O glass.  Somewhere around mid-season, this team began routinely giving up mid to high teens in offensive rebounds.  We need to play bigger across the front line next year and do a much better job of boxing out on the weak side.  Rebound totals from last night pretty much tell the story as the 5's had 14, the 4's had 2 and the 3's had 1 rebound.  Defense and rebounding control the tempo of a basketball game and it will be a long season next year if we don't start to muscle up.

As for next season, this fan's wish list is for a bigger front line, a coach willing to demand defense from his players and a shooting guard with a new unselfish positive attitude.  I thought it was absurd to see our top scorer sulking at the far end of the bench during a late in the game timeout after getting yanked when the rest of the team was huddled up around CJ at the opposite end of the bench.  That kid needs to grow up.  The team is bigger than any individual player and his WIFM attitude.

Having said all that, congrats to the Captains for playing with passion over the last month and salvaging what could have been a dismal season.  Work hard in the off season and come back fired up next year and ready to defend the USA South title.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on March 06, 2010, 08:56:46 AM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on March 06, 2010, 07:10:50 AM
As it has gone recently, the Captains got out rebounded 46-27 and were -9 on the O glass...  We need to play bigger across the front line next year ...  Rebound totals from last night pretty much tell the story .....

As for next season, this fan's wish list is for a bigger front line, a coach willing to demand defense from his players and a shooting guard with a new unselfish positive attitude.  I thought it was absurd to see our top scorer sulking at the far end of the bench during a late in the game timeout after getting yanked when the rest of the team was huddled up around CJ at the opposite end of the bench.  That kid needs to grow up.  The team is bigger than any individual player and his WIFM attitude.
Amen, brother.  A point guard would be good also.  Reading your post made me recall some of the comments from the 09-10 media guide:

"We're deeper in quality players than we've been for a while," Woollum notes, plus a recruited group that brings more size and experience than CNU has had in a new class in quite some time.

For the first time in quite a while, CNU's strength will be inside.

The Captains will welcome back six of their top eight scorers from a year ago, when they posted an 18-9 record.

Reading that again makes me think that either we underperformed miserably or that someone was blowing smoke up our asses.  All that great talent and we do worse than last year?  I think that a change in leadership is very appropriate.  That is MY wish for next year.

By the way, I think that you should call out by name the childish player you referred to.  I would if I had seen it.  But I suspect that he won't be back next year anyway.  Again.

GO CAPTAINS!!!

FIRE CJ WOOLLUM!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ViewfromtheJames on April 21, 2010, 11:32:20 AM
C.J. Woollum retires as CNU basketball coach, will stay on as AD

http://www.dailypress.com/dp-spt-woollum-early,0,1456568.story (http://www.dailypress.com/dp-spt-woollum-early,0,1456568.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 21, 2010, 12:24:27 PM
CJ retires from hoops. I encourage everyone to really read the story in the link posted below. Since the mid 80's he's guided not only the basketball team to over 500 wins, but has built the entire athletic program to 24th in the most recent Director's Cup. Also coached Golf team for 13 years and had a golf national champion. Football was started under his watch and has never had a losing season. Had a player drafted in NBA draft. Baseball team has played for National Championship. Softball currently ranked 4th I believe. Soccer a top program in nation as well. Think about the energy and passion this man has put into CNU athletics. Any one of these accomplishments is impressive....combine them and it is simply unbelievable. I doubt very seriously there are many individuals that could do it!

Interesting, the coaching situation for the future wasn't announced.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2010, 12:47:32 PM
Well, his entire career record wasn't even mentioned. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 21, 2010, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2010, 12:47:32 PM
Well, his entire career record wasn't even mentioned. :)

yeah, I noticed that, too. I haven't looked.....was it a CNU release picked up by the local paper or the local reporter and the article posted on the CNU website? Either way, he's done some remarkable things since 1984. I know him personally and he is a top notch man. His dedication to CNU is tremendous. It will be interesting to see how CNU athletics changes when he can focus on the department and not be sidetracked by a season of hoops and recruiting. It will also be interesting to see who becomes the new coach. I'm 99% sure there is already a successor in place.  I can't imagine CNU or CJ making a public announcement of his retirement without having everything lined up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 21, 2010, 11:05:40 PM
It was a straight copy and paste from the CNU news release, no additional research or writing performed. Unlike our front-page story, actually.

I have been surprised he's been doing so roles for so long, considering how big that department is these days.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on April 22, 2010, 10:05:15 AM
Yahooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!  Now we will have a coach dedicated entirely to basketball instead of being stretched too thin trying to do too much at once.  Like he said in the main article here, they will hire a great coach and the team won't skip a beat.  Look out, USASAC hoops teams!  I expect that the program will regain its former position as a national contender.  Thanks for all you did, CJ! 

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 22, 2010, 02:08:44 PM
j...i thought you might be pretty pleased...cj has done great things for cnu...time for him to retire all positions :)

'85 - isn't there a long-time assistant on board at cnu? interesting that cnu wouldn't simply name him successor (as mu recently did with the announced retirement of jim sypult) to maintain continuity with returning players and recruits...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 22, 2010, 03:57:09 PM
As a state school they may be required to open the position.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on April 22, 2010, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2010, 02:08:44 PM
j...i thought you might be pretty pleased...cj has done great things for cnu...time for him to retire all positions :)

'85 - isn't there a long-time assistant on board at cnu? interesting that cnu wouldn't simply name him successor (as mu recently did with the announced retirement of jim sypult) to maintain continuity with returning players and recruits...
Retire all positions?  I don't think so.  I've said before that he has done a great job ad AD.  Why would he retire from that position?  The man needs SOME job and he is very good at that one.  Equally as good as he was as head basketball coach, which was very good until he bit off more than he could chew. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on April 22, 2010, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 21, 2010, 09:11:41 PM
It will also be interesting to see who becomes the new coach. I'm 99% sure there is already a successor in place. 
If that is true then you better send me a private message ASAP!  Personally, I don't think so.  I think there will be a very thorough, very quick, national search and that we will get someone very, very good in the position.  I know very little about Ross & Waters so I see no reason to assume that the best person for the job is in house.  Look near AND far, CJ.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 23, 2010, 10:44:05 AM
http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/etcblog/2010/04/woollums_legacy.html (http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/etcblog/2010/04/woollums_legacy.html)

Nice work!

Pat makes a good point about a state school having a mandate to post the job. CJ is well connected at all level of hoops. I'm sure there isw already a short list, at a minimum.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 23, 2010, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2010, 02:08:44 PM
j...i thought you might be pretty pleased...cj has done great things for cnu...time for him to retire all positions :)

'85 - isn't there a long-time assistant on board at cnu? interesting that cnu wouldn't simply name him successor (as mu recently did with the announced retirement of jim sypult) to maintain continuity with returning players and recruits...

Ross has been with CJ 25 years and Waters 19 (plus 4 as a player). To be honest, I'm not sure how they will play into all of this.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on April 23, 2010, 12:32:17 PM
As most of you know I don't spend much time on the Basketball Board (simply a football nut) but I heard through the grapevine that the Averett Basketball coach has stepped down and will be going to ARMY (Division 1) as an assistant. Any scoop on this from the Averett faithful or anyone else. Who will take the top spot at Averett now and what will there be to work with for next year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 23, 2010, 12:33:14 PM
There's a story on D3hoops.com.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on April 23, 2010, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 23, 2010, 12:33:14 PM
There's a story on D3hoops.com.

Thank you sir. Long time no talk to, hope you are doing well and keeping everything straight and good working order.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on April 23, 2010, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 23, 2010, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2010, 02:08:44 PM
j...i thought you might be pretty pleased...cj has done great things for cnu...time for him to retire all positions :)

'85 - isn't there a long-time assistant on board at cnu? interesting that cnu wouldn't simply name him successor (as mu recently did with the announced retirement of jim sypult) to maintain continuity with returning players and recruits...

Ross has been with CJ 25 years and Waters 19 (plus 4 as a player). To be honest, I'm not sure how they will play into all of this.
So, you're 99% sure there is already someone in line for the position but you aren't sure you know who it is?  I thought by your comment that you knew who it was going to be.  If it is NOT Ross or Waters I wouldn't be surprised to see an all new team next year.  I hope that the duo would stay but no one could blame them for going somewhere else.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 24, 2010, 01:45:53 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on April 23, 2010, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on April 23, 2010, 10:45:47 AM
Quote from: narch on April 22, 2010, 02:08:44 PM
j...i thought you might be pretty pleased...cj has done great things for cnu...time for him to retire all positions :)

'85 - isn't there a long-time assistant on board at cnu? interesting that cnu wouldn't simply name him successor (as mu recently did with the announced retirement of jim sypult) to maintain continuity with returning players and recruits...

Ross has been with CJ 25 years and Waters 19 (plus 4 as a player). To be honest, I'm not sure how they will play into all of this.
So, you're 99% sure there is already someone in line for the position but you aren't sure you know who it is?  I thought by your comment that you knew who it was going to be.  If it is NOT Ross or Waters I wouldn't be surprised to see an all new team next year.  I hope that the duo would stay but no one could blame them for going somewhere else.

nope. don't know any names. just would be surprised that CNU wouldn't have their ducks lined up before making public announcements.. As for Ross and Waters all I can say is that  the next retirement for CJ is from the AD position...someone has to fill those shoes.....that's all i'm saying on that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ViewfromtheJames on April 24, 2010, 04:08:59 PM
C.J. Woollum reflects on his 26 years as CNU's basketball coach

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cj_0425apr25,0,7355997.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt_cj_0425apr25,0,7355997.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on April 30, 2010, 08:29:02 PM
It's so cool... every time I log on D3hoops.com I am greeted with a big blue headline stating "WOOLLUM BIDS COACHING FAREWELL."  I keep logging on again and again just to see it. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on May 05, 2010, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on April 30, 2010, 08:29:02 PM
It's so cool... every time I log on D3hoops.com I am greeted with a big blue headline stating "WOOLLUM BIDS COACHING FAREWELL."  I keep logging on again and again just to see it. 

A good replacement for CNU coach or even Averett's coaching is the guy currently head basketball coach at Kings Fork High School in Suffolk. He took them to the state last year and won and this year he almost got them there again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on May 06, 2010, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on May 05, 2010, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on April 30, 2010, 08:29:02 PM
It's so cool... every time I log on D3hoops.com I am greeted with a big blue headline stating "WOOLLUM BIDS COACHING FAREWELL."  I keep logging on again and again just to see it. 

A good replacement for CNU coach or even Averett's coaching is the guy currently head basketball coach at Kings Fork High School in Suffolk. He took them to the state last year and won and this year he almost got them there again.
When I think "Kings Fork" the image that comes to mind is a BIG, new school playing in a league of smaller schools.  Is that right?  Sound familiar?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: kickerdad on May 07, 2010, 01:36:46 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on May 06, 2010, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: kickerdad on May 05, 2010, 03:30:25 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on April 30, 2010, 08:29:02 PM
It's so cool... every time I log on D3hoops.com I am greeted with a big blue headline stating "WOOLLUM BIDS COACHING FAREWELL."  I keep logging on again and again just to see it. 

A good replacement for CNU coach or even Averett's coaching is the guy currently head basketball coach at Kings Fork High School in Suffolk. He took them to the state last year and won and this year he almost got them there again.
When I think "Kings Fork" the image that comes to mind is a BIG, new school playing in a league of smaller schools.  Is that right?  Sound familiar?

You only have one piece of the pie correct. They are a fairly new school but no where near being the largest. They play in a conference with huge schools such as Deep Creek, Western Branch, Hickoy, Great Bridge,  and others who have supplied many of the D1 schools in the state with lots of talent including CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on May 09, 2010, 12:48:08 PM
My sources in the athletic department say that there have been several hundred inquiries, referrals and applications for the head coaching position.  Many of the candidates are assistants with current D2 and D3 college coaching experience.  Given CNU's past successes and first class facilities, it sounds like this  is considered to be a hot coaching job.  I think the chances are remote that CJ would risk hiring someone without a proven college coaching record.  If Ross doesn't stick around, it would make sense to have another assistant on staff with strong ties to the local 757 basketball community.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 11, 2010, 09:58:59 AM
also heard somewhere that there have  been some D1 assistants picking up the phone and calling CJ.
Title: Guilford Assistant Matt Parke new HC at Averett
Post by: hasanova on May 28, 2010, 01:43:07 PM
http://www.averett.edu/news/display_story.php?storyid=818

Averett has a new HC.  We'll miss Matt Parke at Guilford, but he'll do a great job at Averett.  I heard about this a few days ago, but kept it quiet until it was official.  Congratulations Matt!

My source tells me this may create another assistant coaching change in the two-state area.  We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on May 28, 2010, 10:09:37 PM
interesting indeed
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: sludge on June 01, 2010, 09:54:08 PM
Players tell me:  Averett coach Parke can really coach.  You've got to be ready to work, though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 03, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
Quote from: sludge on June 01, 2010, 09:54:08 PM
Players tell me:  Averett coach Parke can really coach.  You've got to be ready to work, though.
"the harder I work, the luckier I get"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 05, 2010, 06:10:50 AM
Why is it taking CNU so long to find a coach?  I understand there has been lots of interest.  I hope the delay doesn't hurt recruiting. 

Hey CJ, if you are waiting for me to apply for the job, give it to someone else.  I will be here in the islands at least another year.  Maybe narch wants the job. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Dad on June 13, 2010, 01:08:59 PM
Any word on the new coach at Christopher Newport?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on June 13, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
It will be announced tomorrow at 1....

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 13, 2010, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: Swish3 on June 13, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
It will be announced tomorrow at 1....

GO CAPS!

Dang Swish....how did you find out an hour before the email went out? HAHA!!! I received email at 4:04pm today!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on June 13, 2010, 09:51:23 PM
I just happened to go to the CNU Athletics website this afternoon and there it was....should be interesting.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 14, 2010, 04:19:11 PM
WOW!  From what I read in the CNU press release, I couldn't be happier.  CNU got the winner that I thought they would.  I can't wait for the season to begin.  Some of the things in the press release that I really like about Coach Krikorian -

Krikorian compiled a record of 65-42 (.607) with the Mariners, and led the squad to a 24-5 record last season. The Merchant Marine Academy won the Landmark Conference regular-season and post-season championships in 2009-2010 and advanced to the second round of the NCAA Tournament. He was named the 2010 Landmark Conference Coach of the Year.

Krikorian's 12-year coaching resume includes six seasons as an NCAA Division I assistant and four as a Division III head coach. Krikorian was an assistant on Fran Dunphy's staff at Penn from 2000-2002, where he was part of one of the nation's biggest turnarounds when the Quakers won 25 games in 2001.

Before taking over as coach at the Merchant Marine Academy, Krikorian spent two years as an assistant at the United States Naval Academy (2004-2006) under head coach Billy Lange.  "The number one thing with John is his dedication," Lange said. "He truly gives 100 percent to every venture he's associated with. He is a man of great character, he'll do things the right way there and the players will develop in every aspect of their lives."

The Auburn, Massachusetts native earned a bachelor's degree in Systems Engineering in 1996 from the University of Pennsylvania, where he played on the junior varsity basketball team coached by Steve Donahue, now the head coach at Boston College.

http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/6/14/MBB_0614105957.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 05:01:00 PM
I was at press conference. First off, let me say, CNU put on a top notch press conference. Very nicely done. A few things said and some observations:

1. 170 resumes submitted for job. They came from High School coaches to current D1 coaches.
2. Family man. During conference, one of his very young daughter's said out loud something about finding a new church.
3. CJ will give Krikorian free reign - there is only 2 things he can't do....A. wear better ties than CJ and B. He's not allowed to walk sidelines and stomp his feet! That was funny
4. 3 things you will see from his team.  A. will be competitive (I call that coach blah blah blah - you have to say that). B. They will be a transition team and C. (I almost jumped up and cheered on this one) - they will play D and REBOUND!!!!!! I hope that also meant offensive rebounds!!

Overall impression - the guy seems intense and has fire in his gut. I like that. He also seems to be the type that will get a lot out of his players.

Side note - interesting, but maybe nothing to it. Only saw 1 assistant coach at press conference.

The 4th coach in 44 years at CNU -  a new era has begun. Let's enjoy the ride!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 05:36:13 PM
http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/college/oncampusblog/2010/06/a_coaching_calling.html#more (http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/college/oncampusblog/2010/06/a_coaching_calling.html#more)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2010, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 05:01:00 PM
I was at press conference. First off, let me say, CNU put on a top notch press conference. Very nicely done. A few things said and some observations:

1. 170 resumes submitted for job. They came from High School coaches to current D1 coaches.
2. Family man. During conference, one of his very young daughter's said out loud something about finding a new church.
3. CJ will give Krikorian free reign - there is only 2 things he can't do....A. wear better ties than CJ and B. He's not allowed to walk sidelines and stomp his feet! That was funny
4. 3 things you will see from his team.  A. will be competitive (I call that coach blah blah blah - you have to say that). B. They will be a transition team and C. (I almost jumped up and cheered on this one) - they will play D and REBOUND!!!!!! I hope that also meant offensive rebounds!!

Overall impression - the guy seems intense and has fire in his gut. I like that. He also seems to be the type that will get a lot out of his players.

Side note - interesting, but maybe nothing to it. Only saw 1 assistant coach at press conference.

The 4th coach in 44 years at CNU -  a new era has begun. Let's enjoy the ride!


Lots of turnover there!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 05:47:25 PM
Merchant Marine was ranked #23 until last poll of season when they dropped out, barely. I'm optimistic.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 05:53:25 PM
Ralph,

You're right. Here's the breakdown:

Bev Vaughn - 1967-1981 -- 14 years
Glenn Russell 1981-1984 -- 3 years
CJ Woollum 1984-2010 -- 26 years
John Krikorian - Today...haha....after press conference, he was off to sign papers and start his job. I wonder where his office will be? CJ was coach and is AD. HA - the clue that CJ was retiring should have been when they started the Freeman center expansion!! Needed another office!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 14, 2010, 06:37:15 PM
One of the things I really like about Coach Krik is his exposure to the very highest level of academics.  He is an Ivy League graduate (Penn) and worked at the Naval Academy.  He is going to have NO problem reaching the kids that we want at CNU.  I'm guessing that Paul Trible is the happiest guy of all that we got Coach Krik.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 14, 2010, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 05:01:00 PM
Side note - interesting, but maybe nothing to it. Only saw 1 assistant coach at press conference.

Which one?  I'm guessing Ross.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on June 14, 2010, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on June 14, 2010, 05:01:00 PM
Side note - interesting, but maybe nothing to it. Only saw 1 assistant coach at press conference.

Which one?  I'm guessing Ross.

I shall remain silent!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 15, 2010, 02:40:36 AM
The new coach has me thinking about next season with a lot of enthusiasm.  I just refreshed my memory of the players who should return next year.  I like this team... Parham, Capin, Herrmann, Green, Preston.  Going and Feliciano-Ayala off the bench giving solid support at the point.  Maybe we will get Kenny Reid back this year.  Clarkson and Farris should be ready to make big contributions this year.  We will definitely need some fresh talent but I expect that we will get them. 

Oh, wait!  I forgot all about our leading scorer who will be a junior.  Hmmmm... on second thought, forget him.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Dad on June 22, 2010, 12:00:16 AM
What do we know about the new players that will join CNU?  My son is one of them.  If the team is looking for rebounding, my son will help.  He is 6' 6 1/2 " 265 lbs, 2nd leading rebounder in the Dominion District (AAA, Richmond area).  My son heard from Coach Krikorian today and is impressed. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on June 22, 2010, 08:56:48 AM
Welcome to the board, CDaddy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 24, 2010, 04:25:18 PM
Capt Dad- welcome! I hope you're not someone jerking our chain! It happens on these boards a lot. We could use a big guy like that banging the boards. See ya in the stands! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Dad on June 24, 2010, 07:12:17 PM
Hey 85, promise I'm not jerking anyone's chains....if interested in more info on my son, write me at tkrichmondspider@aol.com
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 26, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
email sent Capt Dad
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 26, 2010, 05:38:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Dad on June 24, 2010, 07:12:17 PM
Hey 85, promise I'm not jerking anyone's chains....if interested in more info on my son, write me at tkrichmondspider@aol.com

Found him! HAHA. #55. listed as a legit 6'6" 265 lbs
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 26, 2010, 05:56:40 PM
HAHA.....Capt Dad......was your son named Student of The Year in 5th grade? The internet is full of good info. All I need is a little info - like our initials, son's stats, and school district. next thing you know I find an article about your son from 2 years ago......named your entire family.

Welcome to CNU!!!!!!

Is Coach Kelchner trying to get him on the football field?

No worries - I'm not a stalker!!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 26, 2010, 06:04:59 PM
It's official.....saw something that had his name and said he was going to play hoops at CNU. Nice! It would be interesting to hear his thoughts when he was being recruited and then CJ announces retirment. Was he thinking about going somewhere else? Was he playing a wait and see game? How did he feel once the new coach called him?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Dad on June 27, 2010, 07:40:58 PM
Hey 85.....just saw your messages...have been away for the weekend..will respond....yep, he was student of year in 5th year......
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Dad on June 28, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
Not sure the football coach knows about Danny.....the basketball staff jokingly said they were going to try to hide him from the football staff; at one point Danny was being recruited by ACC schools for Left OT; they seemed to back off when they realized he was not as focused on football as some other kids.  Danny truly loves basketball while he "likes" football....although many told him that with his size, frame and athleticism, he had an opportunity to play on Sundays if he really wanted it.....Danny consciously decided to play his favorite sport.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on June 29, 2010, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: Captain Dad on June 28, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
Not sure the football coach knows about Danny.....the basketball staff jokingly said they were going to try to hide him from the football staff; at one point Danny was being recruited by ACC schools for Left OT; they seemed to back off when they realized he was not as focused on football as some other kids.  Danny truly loves basketball while he "likes" football....although many told him that with his size, frame and athleticism, he had an opportunity to play on Sundays if he really wanted it.....Danny consciously decided to play his favorite sport.



Football coach knows about him now. I told him at dinner last night!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on July 07, 2010, 01:43:56 PM
i've had all kinds of issues accessing the site the last few weeks, so i'm just getting caught up...sounds like the capts. have a great coach...hope he loses a lot of games, especially to the green & gold :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on July 08, 2010, 09:01:28 AM
+1 to narch for consistency.  Heck, I'm feeling generous... everyone gets +1.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 08, 2010, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: narch on July 07, 2010, 01:43:56 PM
i've had all kinds of issues accessing the site the last few weeks, so i'm just getting caught up...sounds like the capts. have a great coach...hope he loses a lot of games, especially to the green & gold :)

me too.....everytime i signed on, my computer would lock up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 08, 2010, 09:41:23 PM
http://cnusports.com/news/2010/7/8/MBB_0708104427.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2010/7/8/MBB_0708104427.aspx)

Nice addition!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 08, 2010, 09:43:34 PM
http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/teelblog/2010/06/roland_ross_remains_a_captain.html (http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/teelblog/2010/06/roland_ross_remains_a_captain.html)

nice....part 2
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 29, 2010, 11:11:33 AM
Great news!!

http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/7/28/MBB_0728102017.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/7/28/MBB_0728102017.aspx)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on July 29, 2010, 07:51:42 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on July 29, 2010, 11:11:33 AM
Great news!!

http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/7/28/MBB_0728102017.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/7/28/MBB_0728102017.aspx)


Indeed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 04, 2010, 02:50:32 PM
interesting. new blood.

http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/8/4/MBB_0804103959.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/8/4/MBB_0804103959.aspx)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on August 05, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
It's never too early to start thinking and predicting. 
With the players they have coming back, what teams look the best for the 2010-11 season??

1.  Ferrum  (two player of the year candidates in Mitchell and Crump)
2.  CNU - new coaching staff brings new measures
3.  Shenandoah - got some firepower on the offensive end
4.  Methodist - maybe a surprise here but I feel like they are there
5.  Averett - new coach here as well..can always win at home
6.  Greensboro - should be able to contend
7.  NC Wesleyan - nothing really coming back
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 06, 2010, 12:00:14 AM
Quote from: usasouth50 on August 05, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
It's never too early to start thinking and predicting. 
With the players they have coming back, what teams look the best for the 2010-11 season??

1.  Ferrum  (two player of the year candidates in Mitchell and Crump)
2.  CNU - new coaching staff brings new measures
3.  Shenandoah - got some firepower on the offensive end
4.  Methodist - maybe a surprise here but I feel like they are there
5.  Averett - new coach here as well..can always win at home
6.  Greensboro - should be able to contend
7.  NC Wesleyan - nothing really coming back

Trying to figure out if you're a Ferrum or Methodist fan!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on August 09, 2010, 03:04:29 PM
Ferrum...
I'm Henry Hall's uncle
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 10, 2010, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: usasouth50 on August 09, 2010, 03:04:29 PM
Ferrum...
I'm Henry Hall's uncle

I figured it was one of the two schools.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on August 24, 2010, 06:39:39 AM
Very cool article here on D3Hoops.com about Augustana travelling to China for a series of games there.  I wonder if state schools like CNU can do that.  What an opportunity for the team.  I asked on the CCIW board about the trip and it seems that teams are allowed to do that every 3 years.  Augustana utilizes the opportunity every third year without fail.  They also get to practice 10 days as a team (no incoming freshmen) in preparation for the trip.  Those days, plus the practice days on the trip should be invaluable to the teams when the season starts.  Let's send the Captains to Brazil.  I will pitch in a few dollars (or pesos).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 25, 2010, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on August 24, 2010, 06:39:39 AM
Very cool article here on D3Hoops.com about Augustana travelling to China for a series of games there.  I wonder if state schools like CNU can do that.  What an opportunity for the team.  I asked on the CCIW board about the trip and it seems that teams are allowed to do that every 3 years.  Augustana utilizes the opportunity every third year without fail.  They also get to practice 10 days as a team (no incoming freshmen) in preparation for the trip.  Those days, plus the practice days on the trip should be invaluable to the teams when the season starts.  Let's send the Captains to Brazil.  I will pitch in a few dollars (or pesos).

You just want CNU to play out of the country since you're not allowe back in!! BAhahahahahahaha!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 25, 2010, 03:28:35 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on August 24, 2010, 06:39:39 AM
Let's send the Captains to Brazil.  I will pitch in a few dollars (or pesos).
Better get Real (R$).  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on August 27, 2010, 05:46:13 AM
Hey 85; in the words of my buddy Michael, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."   I'm resisting, but it looks like I might need to go back and make some more money.  I saw this great 2.5 acre beach lot on Bantayan Island today for about $17,500.  Add about $25,000 more and I could build a great house and pool.  Very tempting; white sand, long beach, great view, about 50 coconut trees.  Have you ever eaten young coconut?  It is amazing.  Mix it with a little cream and sugar and it's to die for.  My 24 year old bride and our baby boy would look great on that sand.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 27, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on August 27, 2010, 05:46:13 AM
Hey 85; in the words of my buddy Michael, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."   I'm resisting, but it looks like I might need to go back and make some more money.  I saw this great 2.5 acre beach lot on Bantayan Island today for about $17,500.  Add about $25,000 more and I could build a great house and pool.  Very tempting; white sand, long beach, great view, about 50 coconut trees.  Have you ever eaten young coconut?  It is amazing.  Mix it with a little cream and sugar and it's to die for.  My 24 year old bride and our baby boy would look great on that sand.

You need a pool boy?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on August 28, 2010, 08:43:37 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on August 27, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on August 27, 2010, 05:46:13 AM
Hey 85; in the words of my buddy Michael, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."   I'm resisting, but it looks like I might need to go back and make some more money.  I saw this great 2.5 acre beach lot on Bantayan Island today for about $17,500.  Add about $25,000 more and I could build a great house and pool.  Very tempting; white sand, long beach, great view, about 50 coconut trees.  Have you ever eaten young coconut?  It is amazing.  Mix it with a little cream and sugar and it's to die for.  My 24 year old bride and our baby boy would look great on that sand.

You need a pool boy?
Bad news for you, 85.  Pool boy wages are about $90 a month here, and they have to manually pump the water through the filtration system.  You would work 14 hours a day, 6.5 days a week and would live in a native hut.  The good news is that you would get in great shape.  Keep the gym membership where you are.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on September 15, 2010, 12:47:22 PM
take a look CNU fans - schedules are up at least on their website
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 16, 2010, 10:55:31 AM
http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/9/14/MBB_0914102630.aspx (http://www.cnusports.com/news/2010/9/14/MBB_0914102630.aspx)

Looks like a tough year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on September 17, 2010, 08:21:15 AM
Wow, I love it.  You know what they say; "what doesn't kill us, yada, yada, yada."  So much for the argument that the good teams won't play us.  I think this is great for the team.  Even if they don't win most of their games they should still be insprired by the new coach and his commitment to doing what is required to win.  I think that by conference play we will be very, very strong.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Wow -- nice to see a schedule with all D-III teams on it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 23, 2010, 04:44:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Wow -- nice to see a schedule with all D-III teams on it.

Exactly. Look for massive changes this first year. Not gonna say anything else until Midnight Madness.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on September 24, 2010, 03:00:53 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Wow -- nice to see a schedule with all D-III teams on it.
Absolutely.  The only thing better would be to add a D2 team every year.  We used to do that, in fact I think we beat the last D2 team we played.  I think it was VA State.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on September 29, 2010, 12:39:27 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on September 24, 2010, 03:00:53 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Wow -- nice to see a schedule with all D-III teams on it.
Absolutely.  The only thing better would be to add a D2 team every year.  We used to do that, in fact I think we beat the last D2 team we played.  I think it was VA State.
DI's and DII's that fall to a DIII have a nasty habit of not wanting to schedule you again - there's no upside for them to play a game they are expected to win and can't afford to lose.  Guilford beat DI Elon in 2006 and there hasn't been a game since!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on September 29, 2010, 07:30:48 AM
Quote from: hasanova on September 29, 2010, 12:39:27 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on September 24, 2010, 03:00:53 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Wow -- nice to see a schedule with all D-III teams on it.
Absolutely.  The only thing better would be to add a D2 team every year.  We used to do that, in fact I think we beat the last D2 team we played.  I think it was VA State.
DI's and DII's that fall to a DIII have a nasty habit of not wanting to schedule you again - there's no upside for them to play a game they are expected to win and can't afford to lose.  Guilford beat DI Elon in 2006 and there hasn't been a game since!
Yes, of course.  It must be humiliating for those scholarship jocks to be beaten by D3 teams.  I mean, they were all high school stars but the guys now making contributions at the D3 level must have been from smaller programs or for some reason flew under the radar.  For the scholly players to lose to those guys must be hard to take.  Can't blame a coach for not wanting to expose his own shortcomings.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on September 29, 2010, 02:44:47 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on September 29, 2010, 07:30:48 AM
Quote from: hasanova on September 29, 2010, 12:39:27 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on September 24, 2010, 03:00:53 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Wow -- nice to see a schedule with all D-III teams on it.
Absolutely.  The only thing better would be to add a D2 team every year.  We used to do that, in fact I think we beat the last D2 team we played.  I think it was VA State.
DI's and DII's that fall to a DIII have a nasty habit of not wanting to schedule you again - there's no upside for them to play a game they are expected to win and can't afford to lose.  Guilford beat DI Elon in 2006 and there hasn't been a game since!
Yes, of course.  It must be humiliating for those scholarship jocks to be beaten by D3 teams.  I mean, they were all high school stars but the guys now making contributions at the D3 level must have been from smaller programs or for some reason flew under the radar.  For the scholly players to lose to those guys must be hard to take.  Can't blame a coach for not wanting to expose his own shortcomings.
Exactly.  Guilford won their first 11 that year and Ben Strong went on to be POY.  GCQ and Elon were huge rivals back in the day when they were in the same conference - it's also only a 30-mile trip to the west side of Burlington.   I think the older Elon alumni found this one real tough to take!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2010, 03:35:39 PM
With Shenandoah's move to the ODAC official, some thoughts about the USA South and the spread of the Mid-Atlantic Shuffle:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/09/29/conference-shuffle-drifts-south
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on September 30, 2010, 08:51:07 AM
CAC, here we come...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on October 01, 2010, 07:19:47 AM
Two weeks left until Midnight Madness.  Rumor around the Freeman Center is that only 8 players are back from last year's playoff team.  Josh, Theo and Big Mark graduated while Going, Xavier and DaJuan are not coming back.  With only 2 seniors on this year's team, the younger guys will need to step it up early.  No predictions at this point other than to say that Coach Krikorians's new defensive oriented Captains with their up tempo offense should be competitive and fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: usasouth50 on October 01, 2010, 10:20:24 AM
Ferrum seems to be lookin hot and ready to go in two weeks.  Mitchell, Crump, Henry, Edwards, Hart, English and now not sure if the rumor got out yet or not but Marcus Mayo is back and can provide this team with the firepower we need in order to win this conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on October 04, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on October 01, 2010, 07:19:47 AM
Two weeks left until Midnight Madness.  Rumor around the Freeman Center is that only 8 players are back from last year's playoff team.  Josh, Theo and Big Mark graduated while Going, Xavier and DaJuan are not coming back.  With only 2 seniors on this year's team, the younger guys will need to step it up early.  No predictions at this point other than to say that Coach Krikorians's new defensive oriented Captains with their up tempo offense should be competitive and fun to watch.
We still have a good nucleus of players for the new coach to build on.  Herrmann, Taylor, Green and Capin all have the potential to be 1st team All-Conference.  I think that Taylor and Green will both need to evaluate their past performances and buy into Coach K's new philosophy in order to succeed, but I think that they can.  If so, watch out!  I just hope that they have all been working hard in the off-season.  That seemed like an alien concept for this program in the past.   If Coach K brings in a couple of stud freshmen or transfers, we will be very, very good. 

I'm not too sad to see Going leave the program.  I appreciate what he did for the team but he never seemed to have the maturity and confidence to be the first team CNU point guard.  Parham is a loss.  He had skills and certainly did NOT lack confidence.  I don't know a lot about him but I suspect that he might not be the right kind of player for the new program. 

I hope that Hector Feliciano-Ayala has improved this year and can be a capable starting PG.  From what I've heard about him he is an outstanding young man off the court.  Preston needs to increase his offensive skills but even if he doesn't he will be a major contributer on the glass and on defense.  As far as the other big men, Clarkson and Ferris, we shall see...

The most important addition to the teamm is Coach K.  It will be an interesting season and I wouldn't be surprised to see immediate success.  If that doesn't happen it's no big deal.  First year coaches are allowed time to initiate their systems and growing pains are expected.  I wish that I was going to be able to watch the team this year.  If there is internet streaming I will be there.  If not I will continue to watch the game through the eyes (and comments) of the radio team. 

GO CAPTAINS!!!!!  We need another banner!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 29, 2010, 02:48:32 PM
Midnight Madness tonight. Not sure if I'm going. Depends if my daughter and some of her friends go. It's mostly geared towards the students.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on October 30, 2010, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on October 29, 2010, 02:48:32 PM
Midnight Madness tonight. Not sure if I'm going. Depends if my daughter and some of her friends go. It's mostly geared towards the students.
Go, don't go... it doesn't matter.  Just make sure that you get your hands on the rosters they pass out at the event.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 04, 2010, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on September 23, 2010, 04:44:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Wow -- nice to see a schedule with all D-III teams on it.

Exactly. Look for massive changes this first year. Not gonna say anything else until Midnight Madness.
MM has come and gone and you are still mum.  Come on, 85.  What do you have?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 05, 2010, 10:18:16 PM
I didn't go. Also gonna miss opening weekend and the first 3 games. guess i'll see how things are on thanksgiving weekend tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 06, 2010, 01:13:46 PM
Freeman Center was packed for MM which included intros, dunk contest and a 3 pt shooting contest against All America Chelsie Schweers who actually had an off night and lost to a guy out of the crowd. I'm sure this will provide her plenty of incentive to knock down 75% of her shots this season.

5 or 6 guys started  in the dunk contest which turned into a head to head match between Clarkson and a freshman named Tre.  (I don't remember his last name and the roster isn't posted yet).  Tre won with a nice spinning 360 slammer but the crowd favorite was Clarkson who leaped over Preston, caught a ball that Preston on his knees bounced high in the air and slammed home a two hander bringing the crowd to it's feet.

The team looks solid although there are a number of new faces and several guys are injured.  The non-conference schedule looks challenging as I see that Coach K has scheduled games against three ranked D3 teams including #2 Randolph Macon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 06, 2010, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on November 06, 2010, 01:13:46 PM
Freeman Center was packed for MM which included intros, dunk contest and a 3 pt shooting contest against All America Chelsie Schweers who actually had an off night and lost to a guy out of the crowd. I'm sure this will provide her plenty of incentive to knock down 75% of her shots this season.

5 or 6 guys started  in the dunk contest which turned into a head to head match between Clarkson and a freshman named Tre.  (I don't remember his last name and the roster isn't posted yet).  Tre won with a nice spinning 360 slammer but the crowd favorite was Clarkson who leaped over Preston, caught a ball that Preston on his knees bounced high in the air and slammed home a two hander bringing the crowd to it's feet.

The team looks solid although there are a number of new faces and several guys are injured.  The non-conference schedule looks challenging as I see that Coach K has scheduled games against three ranked D3 teams including #2 Randolph Macon.


Hey, maybe the "guy out of the crowd" can walk on.  I heard that the roster isn't set yet because of the many walk ons they have this year. 

Who are the injured players, and what is the extent of the injuries?

How about the offensive lineman size freshman?  How are his skills?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 07, 2010, 12:10:09 PM
Hermann has been seen hobbling around campus with a foot injury.  I was told he will play this year but won't likely be ready for the first game.  Farris messed up his hand but should be ready by Nov 19.  A transfer named Luc looked good in preseason workouts but hurt his knee and is out for the season. 

As for Klein, transfers and the walk-ons, I haven't seen anybody play yet against competition so it's hard to tell who Coach K will use in the rotation especially at the critical PG position.  From what I could tell at MM, Hector has spent time in the weight room as has Clarkson and Preston who all look bigger than last year.  Tre, Conley, Clarkson, Greene and a healthy Hermann give the Captains a good athletic core.  Given the injuries and promised up tempo style of play, I suspect that the Captains will be going deeper into the bench this year and will need production from the younger guys.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 07, 2010, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on November 07, 2010, 12:10:09 PM
Hermann has been seen hobbling around campus with a foot injury.  I was told he will play this year but won't likely be ready for the first game.  Farris messed up his hand but should be ready by Nov 19.  A transfer named Luc looked good in preseason workouts but hurt his knee and is out for the season. 

As for Klein, transfers and the walk-ons, I haven't seen anybody play yet against competition so it's hard to tell who Coach K will use in the rotation especially at the critical PG position.  From what I could tell at MM, Hector has spent time in the weight room as has Clarkson and Preston who all look bigger than last year.  Tre, Conley, Clarkson, Greene and a healthy Hermann give the Captains a good athletic core.  Given the injuries and promised up tempo style of play, I suspect that the Captains will be going deeper into the bench this year and will need production from the younger guys.

Clarkson ahead of Preston?  That would be a surprise since Clarkson had less than half the PT that Preston did last year.  Stranger things have happened though, and I'm not very confident that CJ always used the available talent optimally.  Is this Tre guy a PG?  If not, is there a PG among the new guys?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 07, 2010, 09:10:05 PM
Word is that a couple of new guys are competing for the PG spot.  Tre is a 3 I think.  Preston is a 5 and Clarkson is a forward so no conflict there.  Both guys were stuck behind the seniors last year and probably should have gotten more playing time especially given how poorly we rebounded the ball at times.  I never could understand why CJ played so many 3 guard sets while surrendering the glass but Preston was not going to play in front of Big Mark and Clarkson wasn't going to play in front of Theo, Josh or Green.   It will be interesting to see how Coach Krikorian uses his talent.

My point was that the core group of athletic guys can rebound, run the floor and finish at/above the rim.  Combine the group with a rebounding big man like Preston and a crafty PG who can push it up the floor and we should win some games.

What a difference a year makes.  Last year there were 15 healthy guys all year with not enough minutes to go around.  This year there may be room for 4 or 5 walk-ons on the CNU roster.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2010, 08:15:10 AM
the monarchs will tip it off today vs. radford, who made the big dance last year, but struggled to get by ehc yesterday, 57-54
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on November 14, 2010, 04:43:36 PM
2 important games tomorrow for the USA South conference as Shenandoah hosts #3 EMU and Lynchburg goes to Ferrum I think both of these will be good games
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 14, 2010, 08:59:36 PM
the monarchs gave radford a real test today, before falling 83-74 - they had closed to within 2 with 3 minutes left, but had to foul and the highlanders made their ft's - as expected, radford out-rebounded mu by about 20 (they're HUGE)

not a bad start to the season...guilford is up next for the monarchs...the schedule doesn't get any easier after a d1 tourney participant
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 15, 2010, 09:46:28 PM
Congrats to Averett for the win over Bridgewater.  Good start.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2010, 10:32:24 PM
Greensboro defeats Guilford and Ferrum beats Lynchburg. SU loses to Eastern Mennonite.

3-1 USA South vs ODAC (although SU is soon to be ODAC).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 15, 2010, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 15, 2010, 10:32:24 PM
Greensboro defeats Guilford and Ferrum beats Lynchburg. SU loses to Eastern Mennonite.

3-1 USA South vs ODAC (although SU is soon to be ODAC).
Can't get rid of those pesky Hornets fast enough.  JK.  I suspect we will be defecting right after them.  GREAT start for the Dixie.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 15, 2010, 10:48:55 PM
CNU finally got their roster up so I've been checking it out.  There are so many promising new additions but one bio seems to stand out.  THIS is what the NEW CNU Captains will look like -

#3 Tra Benefield
Position: Guard
Height: 6-2
Weight: 175
Class: Freshman
Hometown: Folkston, Ga.
High School: Evangel Christian (Va.)

AT EVANGEL CHRISTIAN - Earned four varsity letters playing basketball for Head Coach Marquis Allen...A team captain his senior season and named to the VIHSL All-Star game...Was on the honor roll and a member of the National Honor Society.  

Scholar athlete... very nice.  Since he was a letter winner as a freshman in HS it's very likely that he is the kind of guy who is mature and confident enough to make an immediate contribution. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on November 17, 2010, 12:30:41 PM
SU opened up the other night against #3 ranked EMU, for the most part this game looked like the first game of the season from both teams.  SU came out with a lot of intensity to start the game, but committed 19 turnovers in the first half and another 11 in the second half.  EMU used these turnovers to get 34 points.  I don't care if you are playing a high school team, you can't win with 30 turnovers.  In the past SU has had some strong guard play from the PG but not right now.  With no true PG or one that wants the responsibility to handle the rock in pressure spots the Hornets could be in for a long season.  Mitch Dudley did a nice job on preseason All American Todd Phillips, from my observation he will not be on that first team ballot come March.  He is a good player, but in order to be on that list you are great and I did see this in him.  Kevin Kline and Brandon Bryan need to assert themselves more for the Hornets on the offensive end.  Coach Rob Harris should sit down newbie Dominic Chappell and remind him that almost double-doubles are a good thing if it is 10 pts and 10 assists.  But to have 9 pts and 9 turnovers defeats the purpose of production on the floor.  Hope the players and staff get this figured out soon because it does not get any easier.  The Hornets have another tough test on Friday night in Gettysburg against #2 Randolph Macon.  I guess you can say somewhat "Welcome to the ODAC!!"

Go Hornets!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
Quakers host a doubleheader tournament tonight in Ragan-Brown:

Averett vs Emory at 6 pm
Guilford vs McMurry at 8 pm

I look forward to seeing our Quaker Club members tonight at the halftime reception.  If any posters from the other three schools will be there, look me up!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on November 19, 2010, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on November 17, 2010, 12:30:41 PM
SU opened up the other night against #3 ranked EMU, for the most part this game looked like the first game of the season from both teams.  SU came out with a lot of intensity to start the game, but committed 19 turnovers in the first half and another 11 in the second half.  EMU used these turnovers to get 34 points.  I don't care if you are playing a high school team, you can't win with 30 turnovers.  In the past SU has had some strong guard play from the PG but not right now.  With no true PG or one that wants the responsibility to handle the rock in pressure spots the Hornets could be in for a long season.  Mitch Dudley did a nice job on preseason All American Todd Phillips, from my observation he will not be on that first team ballot come March.  He is a good player, but in order to be on that list you are great and I did see this in him.  Kevin Kline and Brandon Bryan need to assert themselves more for the Hornets on the offensive end.  Coach Rob Harris should sit down newbie Dominic Chappell and remind him that almost double-doubles are a good thing if it is 10 pts and 10 assists.  But to have 9 pts and 9 turnovers defeats the purpose of production on the floor.  Hope the players and staff get this figured out soon because it does not get any easier.  The Hornets have another tough test on Friday night in Gettysburg against #2 Randolph Macon.  I guess you can say somewhat "Welcome to the ODAC!!"

Go Hornets!!


IMHO, it will only get more difficult for SU's football and basketball.  The ODAC is legit for those two sports.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 20, 2010, 09:22:22 AM
Coach Krikorian gets his first CNU win with a 108-100 double OT thriller.  CNU could have easily phoned this one in early after falling behind 9-0 on some silly turnovers and missed layups.  The Captains fought all game finally catching Lynchburg in the 2nd half. 

Freshman Tra Benefield hit a big 3 pointer from the deep corner with 8 seconds left in regulation to push the game into OT.  Michael Wims from Lynchburg hit a 40 footer with 1 second left in OT to force a second OT.

Conley had 31 points to lead CNU and really took charge late in the game.  Green (16 pts, 6 rebs) and Clarkson (16pts, 11 rebs, 5 offensive boards) worked hard underneath against a bigger Lynchburg front line.  Capin hit a couple of key 3 pointers and finished with 11 points, 6 rebounds.

This team is a work in progress as Coach K substituted frequently looking for the right combination of guys to gel.  I think injuries and illness have impacted practice time.  The young guys played a big role and Hermann is still out so the big guys had to play a lot of minutes.

CNU plays St. John Fischer tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2010, 05:13:06 PM
what's up with Hermann?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 20, 2010, 09:49:35 PM
Great start for the Coack K era of CNU basketball.  Tonight the Captains took their record to 2-0 with a tough win against a quality opponent, St. John Fischer.  Next on the clock... the Marlins of Va. Wesleyan.  Man, I hate those guys.  I hope the Captains have a good weekend of practice and use their well-deserved confidence to come up with a good game plan for the fish. 

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 21, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
Much better defensive effort (10 steals, 29 turnovers) from the Captains against SJF versus what we saw in the Lynchburg game.  It looked like the guys were more comfortable with the traps and the jump switches.  Preston, Clarkson and Granger all drew multiple charges as they rotated on the help defense.  Still plenty of work to be done but I really like this defensive philosophy.

Coach again started 4 guards and went with many 3 and 4 guard sets which showed negatively in the rebound totals (30 v 41 total, 6 v 9 offensive).  Good defense and better shooting made up the difference but CNU will need rebounds and more diverse scoring on offense in order to win consistently this year.

The annual track meet against Virginia Wesleyan on Tuesday should be fun to watch.

85 - Hermann broke his foot a few weeks ago.  He was out of the boot last night but not in uniform which means he's probably still multiple weeks away.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 22, 2010, 08:41:26 AM
CNU's Conley Taylor should be nominated for Team of the Week. 

In the Captain's two opening wins he scored 57 points, 11 rebounds, 8 steals, 9 assists, and was the team's clutch player in the closing minutes of each game.  Amazing performance.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 23, 2010, 07:56:36 AM
After a long absence, during the football season, I am back. I really do want to be more active, it was tough the last few months, the company I work for was in the midst of move, I was doing the job of 3 people.  Luckily, now it is 2 people doing the job of 3.

Anyway, I've been generally impressed with the play of the USASouth.  I really think conference is wide open this year.  I think there will be about 4 teams looking to get the title this year, with Ferrum as the front runner.

Quickly, on the Women's side, I think the play of Greensboro and CNU in recent years is starting to pay off for the conference.  GC and CNU are in the mix along with AU, MU, and FC. Meredith and Shenandoah could make a good push.

There are a good core group of coaches in this conference.  I am very excited for the future within the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 23, 2010, 06:22:43 PM
PSBBG -

I agree with you that it SEEMS like a good start for the USASAC teams but if you look at our record as a conference you will see that we're .500 collectively.  Compare that to the ODAC where they are 24-11 (.686) collectively.  That is the kind of strength that I wish we had as a conference.  Is it going to happen before the USASAC goes through massive changes?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 23, 2010, 11:49:00 PM
There goes the .500 record for the conference.  There is no question that the USASAC is vastly inferior to the ODAC right now.  Will it change?  Maybe... there have been periods when the opposite were true.  I'm not sure what is going to have to happen to make it change though.  You can't win just because you want to.

OUCH!  Va. Wesleyan 79 - CNU 57.  It is really getting old losing to these guys every year.  We were totally dominated by the Marlins.  We never challenged the entire game.  As usual we were killed on the boards.

Patience, CaptJ.  Patience.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 24, 2010, 07:28:13 AM
Wow!  I'm not sure how to describe this game.  VWC toyed with the Captains for about 8 mins then turned on the jets.  That 21-5 run in the first half put CNU away and the rest was damage control.  18 turnovers certainly didn't help the cause.

I am now an officially frustrated fan.  43-27 on the boards won't work.  I carped often last season about the need for rebounds.  I'm no Bobby Knight with the X's and O's but the team that controls the boards controls the game.  It's been that way since Neismith put up the peach basket. 

I was hopeful that this season would be different.  Although Lynchburg was close, we've now been outrounded in all 3 games with the last two by double digits.  VWC rebounded almost as many of their own shots as we did (18 offensive for Wesleyan v 23 defensive for CNU).  You can't run 4 guards and an undersized forward on the floor at this level and expect them to dominate the glass.  It won't work.  VWC wasn't even a particularly large team but they did seem to be about 2" bigger than us at every position.

I've been watching this new system now for three games and am a little confused.  It seems like Conley is the only guy playing his natural position.  Mike Green is not a true center.  Capin, Granger and Conley all look like classic shooting guards to me.  Nobody looks like a PG who can push the ball up the court and break down a defense.  Tra seems like a wing and not a post player.  The bigs were mostly planted on the bench.

Ok, I'm done now.  I've now had my one rant for the season and promise to be better from now on.  Let's hope for a strong rebound weekend.

Your Still Loyal CNU Fan
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 24, 2010, 09:01:40 AM
A few thoughts.

D3hoops, love the redesign.  Good Job.

USASouth, on the surface the redesign looks good.  How can you not compile the stats together to include some important team stats, (rebounding margin, asst/to, etc.)  The old stat system was better.  I didn't really care if it took a week to get the stats updated, but I could at least compare everything.

As for the ODAC vs the USASouth, no argument that from top to bottom ODAC is stronger, but the top 3 teams the USASouth are 6-2 (.750) against the ODAC.  Honestly, though ODAC may have done well early on, but they haven't had a very strong schedule.  (Some of the games have been with SU and MU, but they are expected to compete for the title in the USASouth)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 24, 2010, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on November 24, 2010, 07:28:13 AM
Wow!  I'm not sure how to describe this game.  VWC toyed with the Captains for about 8 mins then turned on the jets.  That 21-5 run in the first half put CNU away and the rest was damage control.  18 turnovers certainly didn't help the cause.

I am now an officially frustrated fan.  43-27 on the boards won't work.  I carped often last season about the need for rebounds.  I'm no Bobby Knight with the X's and O's but the team that controls the boards controls the game.  It's been that way since Neismith put up the peach basket. 

I was hopeful that this season would be different.  Although Lynchburg was close, we've now been outrounded in all 3 games with the last two by double digits.  VWC rebounded almost as many of their own shots as we did (18 offensive for Wesleyan v 23 defensive for CNU).  You can't run 4 guards and an undersized forward on the floor at this level and expect them to dominate the glass.  It won't work.  VWC wasn't even a particularly large team but they did seem to be about 2" bigger than us at every position.

I've been watching this new system now for three games and am a little confused.  It seems like Conley is the only guy playing his natural position.  Mike Green is not a true center.  Capin, Granger and Conley all look like classic shooting guards to me.  Nobody looks like a PG who can push the ball up the court and break down a defense.  Tra seems like a wing and not a post player.  The bigs were mostly planted on the bench.

Ok, I'm done now.  I've now had my one rant for the season and promise to be better from now on.  Let's hope for a strong rebound weekend.

Your Still Loyal CNU Fan

I'm also frustrated but I'm still very optimistic.  I think the fish are simply a much better team than the Captains are right now and there was NOTHING that Coach K could do to change that.  Sometimes the weaker team can figure out a way to make it close but sometimes they can't.  When that happens the result is a blowout like we just saw.  I'm definitely NOT going to get impatient with Coach K and his new system and coaching style.  He has been successful everywhere he's gone.  We're 2-1.  When I first saw the schedule I was hopeful that we would be 1-2 out of the blocks.

Hoops2010; you seem a bit sympathetic to the plight of the big guys on the roster.  It's just something that I've detected in your posts.  Who are you?  Are you on the team?  Do you have friends on the team?  You seem to have an alliance with them that is becoming obvious.  There is nothing wrong with that.  If I was best buds with the worst player on the team I would be lobbying for him to get more PT.  I'm just wondering what your motivation is.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNUHoops2010 on November 25, 2010, 08:03:40 AM
CaptJ -  I'm a little surprised to see that you are calling me out personally.  I thought this string was about USA South basketball teams.  Doesn't anyone with an opinion have an inherent bias?  I vaguely remember someone calling for CJ's ouster twice a week all last season.  Ring any bells?

For the record, I am a small business owner with business interests at the University.  I have relationships on campus and in the Freeman Center.  I donate to CNU although Tribble has not decided yet to put my name on a campus building.  Maybe next year.  I am an avid college sports fan and began following CNU teams a few years back.  This year alone, I've seen football, baseball, basketball and soccer games.  I even attended a volleyball match to stay well rounded.  I love the winning traditions CJ has established at the school.  Winning 70% of the games across all sports year after year is an incredible accomplishment especially given the fact that everyone one of these kids is a volunteer athlete.

My views are formed from a combination of experience, game observations and studies of the stat sheets.  I am a former athlete and post player so I have an admitted appreciation for the benefits derived from a big and strong front line.  I freely admit that. 

As I have said before, teams that play tough defense and rebound well control the tempo of the game.  I hated to see it but what Mitchell and Sanborn did to the Captains last year was impressive.  It's demoralizing to see the big guys reroute shots and snap down 18 rebounds.  Coach K's 24-5 team averaged 5 more rebounds per game last year than the opponents and was +95 on the offensive glass while giving up only 58ppg.  I know he worries about CNU's totals in these areas.  I just happen to think that this small ball stuff where guards play almost 70% of the minutes is better practiced here locally in the Peninsula District but that's just one reporter's opinion.

At the end of the day, nothing I say or write is really all that important.  I just enjoy venting a little and this is a great forum.  My life will go on next week despite whether Preston or Farris see any time at the 5 this weekend.  Coach K is very smart and will play who he feels gives him the best chance to win.  He is the only guy I know that is held accountable for the team's W/L record.

Enjoy your Thanksgiving.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 25, 2010, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: CNUHoops2010 on November 25, 2010, 08:03:40 AM
I am a former athlete and post player so I have an admitted appreciation for the benefits derived from a big and strong front line. 

That's all you had to say, dude.  I didn't call you out personally.  Relax and enjoy your turkey.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on November 27, 2010, 01:03:37 AM
CNU beats Bridgewater tonight 87-73, they play Wesley tommorrow night
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 28, 2010, 06:40:30 PM
Another big win for the Captains, this time over Wesley.  It seems that the team is actually prepared for these games, unlike in the past when we would open each half by letting the other team race off to a lead.  It's GREAT to have Herrmann back.  We need him on the floor to be at our best.  It's also great to see Hector Feliciano-Ayala making a big contribution.  I think this team is just about ready to do some big things.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on November 28, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
SU Hoops quite possibly could have hit rock bottom tonight.  The have fallen to 1-6 overall and 0-4 vs. the ODAC.  Tonight vs. UMW we were up by as many as 13 in the first half in which we were leading by 4 at intermission.  Going into the 2nd half I felt comfortable that we could bring this one home.  That's when the Terrell Owens show, I mean Dominic Chappell show started.  This kid should be known as T.O. for a while, as he had 9 turnovers in a game for the second time this season. And 26 for the season compared to 10 assists.  As the second half and overtime wore on I could hear from the SU staff that they are not thrilled in the pg position.  I have heard of pitcher by committee in baseball, Harris might want to start doing pg by committee to see who can cut the mustard.  Thank goodness Dudley, Kline and Bryan showed up.  Mitch had another double-double, Brandon hit some 3 balls and Kevin had 20 and 9. 
But until Rob Harris finds a pg it is going to be a long season for the Hornets.  Between now and Christmas break the Hornets play a D-1 opponent in William and Mary (who took Syracuse to the wire), Virginia Wesleyan (6-0 ranked #12) and Southern Virginia, which is the only team that looks like a good chance to win.  Hopefully they have a good practice tomorrow and can get going again on Dec. 1 and get this month behind them.

Go Hornets!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 29, 2010, 01:47:26 AM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on November 28, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
Between now and Christmas break the Hornets play a D-1 opponent in William and Mary (who took Syracuse to the wire

Hear that Coach K?  Get the Tribe on the schedule next year!  What a great experience that would be.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on November 29, 2010, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 29, 2010, 01:47:26 AM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on November 28, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
Between now and Christmas break the Hornets play a D-1 opponent in William and Mary (who took Syracuse to the wire

Hear that Coach K?  Get the Tribe on the schedule next year!  What a great experience that would be.

GO CAPTAINS!

The Hornets usually play 1 D-1 a season.  For you guys in the Newport area, you could get some good games as well as good crowds.  CNU could play Hampton at the Crown.   I know a lot of people say a game like that will prepare you for conference games, I think it is more for the experience like you said.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 29, 2010, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on November 29, 2010, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 29, 2010, 01:47:26 AM
Quote from: Richard of Funchester on November 28, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
Between now and Christmas break the Hornets play a D-1 opponent in William and Mary (who took Syracuse to the wire

Hear that Coach K?  Get the Tribe on the schedule next year!  What a great experience that would be.

GO CAPTAINS!

The Hornets usually play 1 D-1 a season.  For you guys in the Newport area, you could get some good games as well as good crowds.  CNU could play Hampton at the Crown.   I know a lot of people say a game like that will prepare you for conference games, I think it is more for the experience like you said.

Absolutely.  CNU could travel to three D1 gyms less than an hour drive away (ODU, Hampton and W&M).  We've occasionally had ODU transfers so that would make that game even more meaningful.  And who knows... maybe one or two of the subs growing moss on the end of the D1 bench will notice that we play pretty good ball in Newport News and might be tempted to transfer for more PT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 29, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 22, 2010, 08:41:26 AM
CNU's Conley Taylor should be nominated for Team of the Week. 

In the Captain's two opening wins he scored 57 points, 11 rebounds, 8 steals, 9 assists, and was the team's clutch player in the closing minutes of each game.  Amazing performance.

Pat - Was Taylor nominated?  From a purely statistical perspective it seems like he should have made the team, and when you consider how clutch his performance was, it was even more impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on November 30, 2010, 12:47:18 PM
So, I just clicked on the top 25 to see where the CNU women were ranked and low and behold, the CNU men are #25!  Now, I definitely think that ranking's premature, but it was a nice surprise....looks like Coach K and the Captains are garnering some attention.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 30, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
Yeah, I'm also a bit surprised they made such a leap.  I haven't looked at how all the other teams in the "others receiving votes" category did to open their seasons.  Maybe they all had very poor starts.  Anyway, it's great recognition for the hard work the team has been doing.  That much is obvious.  For a new coach to come in and install a new system and have the immediate success they've had is really amazing.  I also think that the Marlins might be a much better team than the pollsters are giving them credit for so maybe that loss wasn't that bad for the team.  It just gives them something to strive for.  This season is shaping up to be better than I had ever dreamed it would be, and I don't expect that the team will start slacking off.  Coach K seems to be a very good disciplinarian and I suspect that the players have gotten the message and are just as happy about his leadership as I am.  Probably more so.  Anyway, it's a great start and a nice recognition for the hard work they are doing.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on November 30, 2010, 11:52:03 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 29, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 22, 2010, 08:41:26 AM
CNU's Conley Taylor should be nominated for Team of the Week. 

In the Captain's two opening wins he scored 57 points, 11 rebounds, 8 steals, 9 assists, and was the team's clutch player in the closing minutes of each game.  Amazing performance.

Pat - Was Taylor nominated?  From a purely statistical perspective it seems like he should have made the team, and when you consider how clutch his performance was, it was even more impressive.

Hey Pat, I know you're busy completing the site design conversion but I'm really curious about this question.  Can you help me out?  BTW, the new design is MUCH better.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Richard of Funchester on December 01, 2010, 10:13:18 AM
In reading the game notes for the Southern Virginia and SU game tonight, it looks like Coach Rob Harris has dismissed Dominic Chappell from the team.  I am hoping that this roster move shakes up the guys to get a "W" tonight.  The big question now is who is going to run the show??  The 2 options to me are Eugene Edwards or Freshman Avery Green.  Looking at the stats Avery can score the ball better then Eugene, but I don't think we need a scoring guard.  We need someone who can get the ball to Kline, Bryan and Dudley is scoring positions.  Things from an internal perspective are looking up for the guys; let's get it done on the floor.

Go Hornets!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 01, 2010, 04:29:00 PM
I was watching the CNU pregame warmup the other night. It was so intense I was worried they would be tired before the game even started. Also during the game all the CNU coaches at one time or another (and sometimes all at the same time) were on their feet yelling out instructions. The intensity is incredible and non stop. I'm gonna be tired after all the games!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 01, 2010, 06:38:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 01, 2010, 04:29:00 PM
I was watching the CNU pregame warmup the other night. It was so intense I was worried they would be tired before the game even started. Also during the game all the CNU coaches at one time or another (and sometimes all at the same time) were on their feet yelling out instructions. The intensity is incredible and non stop. I'm gonna be tired after all the games!

Let's just hope that there is a method to the madness of all that yelling.  It seems like there must be.  The season is progressing very well so far.  Maybe each coach is yelling instructions to specific position players and the others pay no attention to THAT coach.  As far as spirited warmups; these guys are in shape.  They aren't fossils like you and me, 85.  I think they recuperate adequately for the game.  They seemed to do pretty well in the double-overtime win.

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 01, 2010, 09:47:31 PM
OUCH!  CNU had their asses handed to them tonight.  So much for them being prepared at the beginning of the game.  Admittedly, St. Mary's shooters were on fire at the beginning, but this game was over four minutes in.  Outscored by 10 in the 1st half, by 9 in the 2nd.  Final score 86-67.  I hope there were lessons learned in this one.  Oh well, it's just one road game.  We have 3 more right after exams so I hope we are better prepared for those.  Bye-bye top-25 ranking, and appropriately so. 

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 01, 2010, 11:06:41 PM
Guilford all over NCWC in Greensboro tonight, 64-47.  It was 36-18 at the half.  Not a good shooting night for the Bishops ... I think around 29%, but very balanced scoring for the Quakers.  GCQ now at 4-2, while NC Wesleyan falls to 3-4.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 04, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
the monarchs drop to 0-6, falling 88-82 to 6-0 emory on the road...the monarchs have lost 6 games in a variety of ways...a bit frustrating, but i think the talent to win some games is there

jernigan went for 29 tonight...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 05, 2010, 03:42:41 AM
Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?

5-0 Ferrum    
4-2 Christopher Newport    
3-3 Greensboro    
4-4 N.C. Wesleyan
1-6 Averett    
1-6 Shenandoah    
0-6 Methodist    
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 05, 2010, 11:19:11 PM
mu gets into the win column, beating piedmont 66-61 today...jernigan goes for 32 on 11-13 shooting

good job monarchs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 09:00:35 AM
Make that 4-3 for GC.  

Quote from: USA-South_Fan on December 05, 2010, 03:42:41 AM
Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?

Actually not too surprised, coaches have done a fairly decent job making the picks this year.  I guess the surprise is SU.  They were picked to finish 2nd, and now are 1-6.


Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 06, 2010, 10:21:05 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 09:00:35 AM
Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  CNU is probably going to leave the USASAC soon and then there will be NO conference tournament because the other teams won't want to host it.  I guess they could draw straws... the short straw has to host.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 06, 2010, 10:24:54 PM
i've always thought the odac tourney model, in a nuetral off-campus site was the best, but the usasac couldn't come close to filling a venue like that...i can't imagine more than a few hundred at each game, and a venue of that sort has to be pretty expensive...if only burlington, nc had a 1000 seat basketball venue :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: narch on December 06, 2010, 10:24:54 PM
i've always thought the odac tourney model, in a nuetral off-campus site was the best, but the usasac couldn't come close to filling a venue like that...i can't imagine more than a few hundred at each game, and a venue of that sort has to be pretty expensive...if only burlington, nc had a 1000 seat basketball venue :)

I don't think Elon would be willing to let us borrow their gym for the weekend either.  We might be lucky enough to get Eastern Guilford High School :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 07, 2010, 10:55:15 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 09:00:35 AM
Make that 4-3 for GC.  

Quote from: USA-South_Fan on December 05, 2010, 03:42:41 AM
Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?




Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I agree one school should not host every year. Having said that, I don't know all the issues involved. Are other schools not asking to host, can't do it becuase of the costs to the school? I just don't know. Anyone have any inside scoop as to why CNU gets the nod? The decision is made by the conference, not CNU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 07, 2010, 10:55:15 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 09:00:35 AM
Make that 4-3 for GC.  

Quote from: USA-South_Fan on December 05, 2010, 03:42:41 AM
Anyone surprised with these won/loss records?




Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I agree one school should not host every year. Having said that, I don't know all the issues involved. Are other schools not asking to host, can't do it becuase of the costs to the school? I just don't know. Anyone have any inside scoop as to why CNU gets the nod? The decision is made by the conference, not CNU.

Fans are agreeing with me, that's not supposed to happen.

I've heard two things.

Nobody else wants to host it and CNU puts together a nice tournament and it generates revenue.  I heard those statements from a very good source, but that was a few years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 07, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
PSBBG is right... no one else wants to do it. 

Last year we saw how important the home court advantage really is when CNU got another NCAA banner in a season when the Bishops were arguably the best team in the conference.  If that game was on a neutral court we might have had a different representative in the NCAA tournament.  I say "might" because CNU was the only team to beat the Bishops in the regular season and I won't concede that we would have lost that game.

All of us seem to agree that it isn't right that CNU gets the tourney every year but what are you going to do?  You guys at the other schools need to lobby your ADs and get them to pony up.  Someone will have to soon anyway.  Like I said... short straw HAS to host.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 07, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
All of us seem to agree that it isn't right that CNU gets the tourney every year but what are you going to do?  You guys at the other schools need to lobby your ADs and get them to pony up.  Someone will have to soon anyway.  Like I said... short straw HAS to host.

My vote actually goes to Averett, outside of CNU their facilities are "hostable"
Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)
MU houses the USASouth so that would be a good choice.

Heck, if Maryville isn't hosting their conference tournament, lets just go there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 07, 2010, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)

ever heard of hope/calvin...not sure greensboro/guilford is even on the same continent
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 07, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: narch on December 07, 2010, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)

ever heard of hope/calvin...not sure greensboro/guilford is even on the same continent
Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 02:29:38 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 07, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.   :-\
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Oh, so that's why Guilford College prints shirts every year that say "BEAT GBORO."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 08, 2010, 08:04:32 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 07, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: narch on December 07, 2010, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 07, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
Although the atmosphere of a full gym at Greensboro is the best college d3 atmosphere you can ask for in a conference tournament. (ie #2 Guilford @ Greensboro in 2007-2008 season)

ever heard of hope/calvin...not sure greensboro/guilford is even on the same continent
Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.   :-\


We are talking about the USASouth Conference Tournament which would be lucky to draw 317 people :P .  I was trying say that for "our" USASouth situation Greensboro would actually fill the gym, and it would feel like a full gym, as it should for a conference tournament.  (You would probably get the same at Ferrum or NCWC. Honestly, even though it may sound bias, but there is a ton more to do in Greensboro than in Rocky Mount or Ferrum.)

I think now we are getting around a 1000 or so as it is, but with SU leaving and discussions that CNU would leave too, the fan base will go too.


Nova-I totally disagree with Greensboro getting more out of the rival than Guilford.  It has always been the Guilford football that starts the trash talking at the basketball games. (I've heard what Guilford athletes have done to the Souper Bowl Cup, from a former Guilford football player. Very disgusted with that.)  Your argument might be related to the fact that a huge portion of Greensboro's student body is athletes and every sporting event will spark from that football game. Maybe the rivalry is fueled from the fact Greensboro is about half size of Guilford (roughly based on d3hoops enrollment numbers) and every time the smaller schools wins GCP treats it as a big deal.

I don't think the games across all sports will stop, because it is such an easy game to put on the schedule for both schools.  Coaches can have lunch together and say, "when do you want to play us?" :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 10:39:35 AM
Quote from: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 02:29:38 AM
Quote from: hasanova on December 07, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Calvin and Hope draws 12,000+.  Greensboro College's woefully inadequate gym holds maybe 450-500 ... best suited to the days when GCP was a women's college.  I was there that night early in the 2007-08 season - Guilford was #4 and your campus security was not prepared for the game.  Never's a long time, but I predict Guilford will never play Greensboro in MBB in Hanes Gym again.   In fact, it probably wouldn't bother me and a lot of other Guilford alumni and boosters if we just stopped playing Greensboro in all sports.  Other than a 5-mile road trip, we have little to gain by doing so.  Greensboro builds up beating Guilford a lot more than Guilford builds up beating Greensboro.  In fact, I wish we'd schedule more home and away games with SCAC and CC schools myself.   :-\

Oh, so that's why Guilford College prints shirts every year that say "BEAT GBORO."


I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 

PS  Fixed your quotation issue for you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 10:39:35 AM
I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 


Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 08, 2010, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 10:39:35 AM
I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 


Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.

If you are a pride fan Mr. Tennis, be careful, they don't like GCP fans on here ;)

I am hoping narch and nova have become less predictable than in the past.  I will try to predict what their responses will be to your comment.

Narch:  GC has poor academic standards, therefore anybody can get it into the school, an athlete that wouldn't qualify at GCQ could get into GCP  :P

Nova:  GCQ does have strong athletic background, but we have a very strong academic tradition as well.  I bet you didn't know that Greg Jackson a former NBA player graduated from here.  I think it should be noted that I went to school with Erie Shore, baseball player who played with Babe Ruth. (Ok, a little sarcastic.) :P


I am just giving you guys a hard time. You know that right.


Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 08, 2010, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 10:39:35 AM
I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 


Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.

If you are a pride fan Mr. Tennis, be careful, they don't like GCP fans on here ;)

I am hoping narch and nova have become less predictable than in the past.  I will try to predict what their responses will be to your comment.

Narch:  GC has poor academic standards, therefore anybody can get it into the school, an athlete that wouldn't qualify at GCQ could get into GCP  :P

Nova:  GCQ does have strong athletic background, but we have a very strong academic tradition as well.  I bet you didn't know that Greg Jackson a former NBA player graduated from here.  I think it should be noted that I went to school with Erie Shore, baseball player who played with Babe Ruth. (Ok, a little sarcastic.) :P


I am just giving you guys a hard time. You know that right.

First, it's risky to do my thinking for me.  I wouldn't even know how to begin thinking for you.  Second, if I was going to name Guilford's former NBA "players", I'd certainly also include the other three that really made an impact on the NBA.  Third, while I never met Mr. Shore, I would take the time to research his name "Ernie."  Fourth, I probably wouldn't say "I bet you didn't know ..."   In fact, I was Greg Jackson's classmate and surely everyone knows he played (and graduated from) Guilford.  :)

Narch, you're up!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 10:39:35 AM
I'm not saying we don't want to beat Greensboro in every sport we play them - in fact, I strongly dislike losing to Greensboro.  Yes, I've seen the shirts and caps and perhaps even underwear, I just won't buy one.  I'm just saying (as someone close to the school) it's more important to Greensboro College than it is to Guilford College. 


Well it's very possible that if the Quakers were winning a few more of these rivalry games, they would be trying to talk up the overall rivalry a little more.

As it is, it's been a pretty one-sided affair this year. The Pride have beaten Guilford College in football, men's basketball, women's basketball, women's soccer, volleyball (x 2), and swimming and the Quakers have won in men's soccer.
That's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 08, 2010, 04:21:14 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
First, it's risky to do my thinking for me.  I wouldn't even know how to begin thinking for you.  Second, if I was going to name Guilford's former NBA "players", I'd certainly also include the other three that really made an impact on the NBA.  Third, while I never met Mr. Shore, I would take the time to research his name "Ernie."  Fourth, I probably wouldn't say "I bet you didn't know ..."   In fact, I was Greg Jackson's classmate and surely everyone knows he played (and graduated from) Guilford.  :)

Narch, you're up!

I know there is quite a few, but I remember you talking about Greg Jackson a few times.  The truth is you've always talked about the academics at GCQ and the quality of the education.  Yes, its Ernest Grady Shore, but we also don't call "The Babe" George Herman Ruth :)

Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 03:56:44 PMThat's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 

How about saving themselves from going under?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 05:12:45 PM
You typed "Erie," which is a city, a lake and a canal.  I'm not saying you should have typed Mr. Shore's full name.  True, we don't say George Herman Ruth, but we also don't call him "Bab".

Yes, Greensboro College deserves tremendous credit for saving itself from perilously close financial and academic ruin - and I'm glad they did.  Greensboro College's survival is important to its students, its faculty, its staff, its alumni, the Methodist Church, the USASAC and to the city of Greensboro.  The bigger questions, however, are these:  how did Greensboro College (and its Trustees) allow the college to get to that point and what safeguards have been put in place to make sure it never happens again? 

Greensboro College's very survival as an institution has been at stake the past year and a half and with that predicament come the inevitable financial (and academic) decisions you have to make to create positive cash flow.  I'm absolutely sure Greensboro College has many fine and worthy students, but the bottom line is this:  at the moment, Greensboro College is probably admitting almost everyone who applies.  All of this information will be easily discernible from the reports the college is required to submit.  So, sanitize it any way you see fit, but expect lots of transfers and marginal students (including your highly touted "most of the student body are athletes").  If you're a great athlete and you were a star in JC or at a CC, one of three things was at play:  it was cheaper (which I totally get), you weren't emotionally ready to leave home (which is clearly the best route for some students) or your HS grades were so bad this was your only viable option.

I want Greensboro College to survive.  I'm rooting for you.  I just don't care if we play you in sports.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 03:56:44 PM
That's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 

I wasn't talking trash or trying to rub it in and I wasn't looking to pick a fight. Just trying to offer a possible solution to why you see more excitement about the rivalry on Market St. than you do on Friendly Ave.

I've been a hardcore Pittsburgh Pirates fan my whole life, but there's a point during every futile season where I just have to force myself to not care anymore, because it's difficult to care like I do and watch them lose so often. So since GCP has the Quakers' number this year, whether they realize it or not that might be causing a lot of GCQers to downplay the rivalry.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 07:15:37 PM
Quote from: tennis08tarheels on December 08, 2010, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 08, 2010, 03:56:44 PM
That's all quite true.  Since Greensboro College seems to have very little else to talk up, I can understand their fixation on this lone accomplishment. 

I wasn't talking trash or trying to rub it in and I wasn't looking to pick a fight. Just trying to offer a possible solution to why you see more excitement about the rivalry on Market St. than you do on Friendly Ave.

I've been a hardcore Pittsburgh Pirates fan my whole life, but there's a point during every futile season where I just have to force myself to not care anymore, because it's difficult to care like I do and watch them lose so often. So since GCP has the Quakers' number this year, whether they realize it or not that might be causing a lot of GCQers to downplay the rivalry.
Oh, I understand.  An 0-10 season in football certainly saps your energy.  I'm also just saying Guilford has a much more diverse student body than Greensboro.  We simply attract a student demographic that just isn't interested in sports - either watching or participating - and I embrace that diversity.  In fact, I'd say 20% of Guilford's student body go to school there for four years and never attend a single intercollegiate sporting event.  Their interests lie elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2010, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 06, 2010, 10:21:05 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 06, 2010, 09:00:35 AM
Let me bring up the argument again, CNU shouldn't host conference tournament every year.  I can't see that this tournament brings in enough revenue to even come close to covering the costs these schools must endure to transport the teams up to CNU.

I am not sure how involved the conference is with the costs of the transportation, even if its 0 and only the conference gets the revenue from the games, the costs seem too high.

If you truly want to improve this conference the money spent on transporting the teams could be used to get these teams into tournaments (regular season ones) with some stiffer competition. Any thoughts?

I wouldn't worry about it too much.  CNU is probably going to leave the USASAC soon and then there will be NO conference tournament because the other teams won't want to host it.  I guess they could draw straws... the short straw has to host.
What I bet happens is that the GSAC men affiliate with the USA South men.  The USA South men do not want to lose the AQ in all sports and will accept the affiliation of the men to maintain the AQ.

The 5-team GSAC men and the 6-team USA South men will send their top 2 teams to the top school of the respective divisions in alternating years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 11, 2010, 08:36:05 PM
6-0 Ferrum    
4-2 Chris. Newport    
4-3 Greensboro    
5-4 N.C. Wesleyan
1-6 Averett    
1-6 Methodist    
1-7 Shenandoah
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 16, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
http://usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat

USASouth new tournament format thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 16, 2010, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 16, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
http://usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat

USASouth new tournament format thoughts?

The USASAC continues to slip into obscurity and insignificance.  They have basically thrown out the idea of having a structured tournament and have made it a playoff.  It shouldn't even be called a tournament anymore.  What is the next step, to do away with any post season games at all and just declare a regular season winner?  I guess that would be cheaper and a lot less effort. 

I think it sucks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 16, 2010, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 16, 2010, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 16, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
http://usasouth.net/general/2010-11/10newbballformat

USASouth new tournament format thoughts?

The USASAC continues to slip into obscurity and insignificance.  They have basically thrown out the idea of having a structured tournament and have made it a playoff.  It shouldn't even be called a tournament anymore.  What is the next step, to do away with any post season games at all and just declare a regular season winner?  I guess that would be cheaper and a lot less effort.  

I think it sucks.


I want to know the rationale behind it. Gone from what was said as something that made money, to something that could cost more or could cost less.  I think it was a way for schools to lower costs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2010, 08:25:46 AM
it appears to me that attendance for games that did not involve cnu has slipped in the past few years at the freeman center (and it was never spectacular)

09-10: 1 game, 388 attendance
08-09: 1 game, 196 attendance
07-08: 3 games, 416 average attendance
06-07: 3 games, 578 average attendance
05-06: 1 game, 396 attendance

perhaps the conference figures that fewer fans/students of the participating teams are going to make the trip to newport news and that the usasac conference tournament isn't a big enough draw in and of itself to get those not affiliated with the schools in question to attend - i can say from a personal standpoint that i like the move...when mu gets back to a level that they are competing for a conference tournament, i'm 100% more likely to attend a game in fayetteville vs. a game in newport news - heck, i might even make the trip to rocky mount or greensboro to watch a tournament game (i've done it before)

when mu hosted the dixie conference tournament years ago, i was able to watch all of the games (still can't get the image of the dudes on the su dance team out of my head...that's a memory that will be forever etched, unfortunately), but i was one of a small handful at each game that had no vested rooting interest in the teams on the court - let's face it, this isn't the acc or ciaa tournament...it's not an event that folks mark on their calendar - putting it in on-campus venues gives a better chance for decent attendance, in my mind

of course, only 2 teams averaged more than 400 per home game last year (su and cnu), so it may not matter
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 17, 2010, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on November 24, 2010, 06:06:54 PM
Hoops2010; you seem a bit sympathetic to the plight of the big guys on the roster.   Who are you?  Are you on the team? 

Hmmmm.... maybe I was right.  We haven't heard from him since Nov. 25.  Geez, I'm sorry I scared him off.  He made some really insightful posts.  Actually, I think that he is NOT someone on the team THIS year.  Come back, Mark!

GO CAPTAINS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 17, 2010, 09:11:29 PM
Well, I listened to the entire game by webcast, right up to the last few minutes in OT when the broadcast simply STOPPED!  At the time CNU was down by 2 but I guess I missed a great finish by the Captains to pull out the road win.  I suspect that FT got so excited that he kicked out a plug somewhere.  Talk about frustrating!

GREAT WIN, CAPTAINS!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 17, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
Someone explain this to me.  Coach K went with a small lineup most of the game so it is understandable we would be out-rebounded.  But how is it that Mike Green and Brian Herrmann (both 6'-5") combine for 3 total rebounds and Tra Benefield (6-2) gets 9, Conley Taylor (6-2) gets 8, and Paul Meredith (5-10) gets 8?  Long bounces off the rim? 

Taylor was a beast again:  8-14 fg,  12-13 ft,  8 reb, 28 tp
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 17, 2010, 11:32:31 PM
Who is this Paul Meredith?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 18, 2010, 12:56:42 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 17, 2010, 11:32:31 PM
Who is this Paul Meredith?

He might be the heir apparent at PG, although both he and Hector started tonight.  Seems to have game.  Maybe he was injured to start the year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 18, 2010, 12:59:28 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on December 17, 2010, 11:32:31 PM
Who is this Paul Meredith?

#11 Paul Meredith
Position: Guard
Height: 5-10
Weight: 180
Class: Sophomore
Hometown: Hampton, Va.
High School: Bethel

2009-10 - SOPHOMORE SEASON - Walked on at Division I Old Dominion University...Did not see any action for the Monarchs.

2008-09 - FRESHMAN SEASON - Played in 22 games, including seven starts for the Marlins, helping VWC win the conference championship...Averaged over 21 minutes per game, scoring 3.0 points per game and adding 2.0 rebounds...Dished out 2.1 assists per contest as the primary reserve at point guard...Had six assists and five rebounds against Widener in the NCAA Tournament First Round game.

AT BETHEL - Earned All-Peninsula Third Team honors and was team captain...Selected to play in the Peninsula vs. South District All-Star Game...Averaged 10 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds and 3 steals per game

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 18, 2010, 09:21:39 AM
mu drops to 2-7 with an 88-80 loss to huntingdon in birmingham, ala last night...frosh bryan hockaday came off the bench for 19 and 12 while josh hayes had 15 pts, 4 assists and 1 to - huntingdon was 26-31 at the ft line while mu was 10-15
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on December 19, 2010, 10:00:01 PM
If Conley Taylor doesn't make Team of the Week there should be an investigation.  In 2 games he scored 72 points on 61.3% shooting and cleared 12 rebounds.  He scored most of his points in the second half of each game when CNU was coming back from a huge deficit each time.  He pulled it off in the Lynchburg game as the Captains came from 12 points down with a little over 4 minutes to play to win by 5 in ovettime.  He would have also done the same in the Frostburg game but the Bobcats were just too tough down the stretch (hitting their last 15 free throws of the game without a miss).  CNU was down by 21 early in the second half and cut the margin to 2 points, mostly on Taylor's back.  A great pair of performances by Conley Taylor.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on December 20, 2010, 07:45:09 AM
Quote from: CaptJ on December 19, 2010, 10:00:01 PM
If Conley Taylor doesn't make Team of the Week there should be an investigation.  In 2 games he scored 72 points on 61.3% shooting and cleared 12 rebounds.  He scored most of his points in the second half of each game when CNU was coming back from a huge deficit each time.  He pulled it off in the Lynchburg game as the Captains came from 12 points down with a little over 4 minutes to play to win by 5 in ovettime.  He would have also done the same in the Frostburg game but the Bobcats were just too tough down the stretch (hitting their last 15 free throws of the game without a miss).  CNU was down by 21 early in the second half and cut the margin to 2 points, mostly on Taylor's back.  A great pair of performances by Conley Taylor.

Tell the SID to nominate him then.

In the defense of the Team of the Week, there are 300 some d3 schools and I am pretty sure there might have been another player to put up similar numbers this past week.  All you can be is advocate.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Allen C on December 23, 2010, 10:34:58 AM
I have to admit, I have not been as avid of a follower of Ferrum Men's BB as I am football, but at 9-0, I think I will have to start paying closer attention. They seem to have something going, but they have #9 Eastern Mennonite soon, and that should prove interesting.

Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 26, 2010, 04:08:23 PM
9-0 Ferrum    
5-4 Chris. Newport    
6-5 N.C. Wesleyan    
4-4 Greensboro    
3-7 Methodist    
1-8 Shenandoah    
1-10 Averett    
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 30, 2010, 10:17:48 PM

10-0 Ferrum    
7-4  Chris. Newport    
6-5  N.C. Wesleyan    
4-5  Greensboro    
3-7  Methodist    
2-10 Averett
1-9  Shenandoah    

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on January 04, 2011, 08:25:32 AM
I hope we truly don't have fair weather fans in basketball.

There are plenty of things to talk about.

Ferrum-the success they have had this year. (Played well against Eastern Mennonite)

Greensboro beating Maryville for only the 3rd time.

http://www.greensborocollegesports.com/news/2011/1/2/MBB_0102111612.aspx?path=mbball

Ferrum at this point could run away with the conference, but I think 2-5 is pretty wide open.

Who has the best chances against Ferrum? Who will win the conference?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Allen C on January 05, 2011, 08:02:53 AM
Glad to say Ferrum is looking strong, and I was happy with their effort against EMU....Too many turnovers, and EMU was hot at the foul line....Still a very good effort against the #9 team in the nation.

Now conference play starts. I would think Ferrum will have a few land mines to navigate to win the conference. I would think CNU will have a lot to say about how this ends, as well as NCWC.

I am hopeful that Ferrum will break into the top 25 in the next couple of weeks.

Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 05, 2011, 01:45:23 PM
the monarchs are 4-8 and about where they usually are pre-conference (except last year...which is a long forgotten memory)

getting solid contributions from a number of guys, but jernigan is having a stellar start and scored 33 over the weekend

should be an interesting conference season starting this weekend...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 05, 2011, 10:22:18 PM
1-0    12-1 Ferrum
1-0    08-4 CNU
0-0    08-5 NCW
0-0    06-5 Greensboro
0-0    04-8 Methodist
0-1    2-12 Averett
0-1    1-10 Shenandoah
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 08, 2011, 06:46:44 PM
2-0    13-1 Ferrum
1-0    08-4 CNU
1-0    09-5 NCW
1-0    07-5 Greensboro
0-1    04-9 Methodist
0-2    2-13 Averett
0-2    1-11 Shenandoah

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 08, 2011, 10:36:17 PM
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-conleytaylor-0109-20110108,0,1943011.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-conleytaylor-0109-20110108,0,1943011.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on January 12, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
Greetings and salutations USA South fans...guess who's back!?! LOL Nice to see some of the old familiar faces along with some new ones. Hope all is doing well and had a great holiday. I look forward to reading and hearing about how everyone (oh and their respective squads) has been doing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 13, 2011, 04:00:33 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 12, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
Greetings and salutations USA South fans...guess who's back!?! LOL Nice to see some of the old familiar faces along with some new ones. Hope all is doing well and had a great holiday. I look forward to reading and hearing about how everyone (oh and their respective squads) has been doing.

This board ain't what it used to be, Goose.  Welcome back, anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on January 13, 2011, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 08, 2011, 06:46:44 PM
2-0    13-1 Ferrum
1-0    08-4 CNU
1-0    09-5 NCW
1-0    07-5 Greensboro
0-1    04-9 Methodist
0-2    2-13 Averett
0-2    1-11 Shenandoah



I would of never thought that SU would be 1-11 midway through the season


2-11 now
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on January 14, 2011, 04:55:33 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 13, 2011, 04:00:33 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 12, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
Greetings and salutations USA South fans...guess who's back!?! LOL Nice to see some of the old familiar faces along with some new ones. Hope all is doing well and had a great holiday. I look forward to reading and hearing about how everyone (oh and their respective squads) has been doing.

This board ain't what it used to be, Goose.  Welcome back, anyway.

Yeah I know CaptJ...Ive checked in as a watcher and read some posts over the past couple years. Maybe we can add that flare the board once had back into it!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on January 14, 2011, 07:05:50 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 14, 2011, 04:55:33 PM
Quote from: CaptJ on January 13, 2011, 04:00:33 AM
Quote from: Goose13 on January 12, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
Greetings and salutations USA South fans...guess who's back!?! LOL Nice to see some of the old familiar faces along with some new ones. Hope all is doing well and had a great holiday. I look forward to reading and hearing about how everyone (oh and their respective squads) has been doing.

This board ain't what it used to be, Goose.  Welcome back, anyway.

Yeah I know CaptJ...Ive checked in as a watcher and read some posts over the past couple years. Maybe we can add that flare the board once had back into it!

Not gonna happen unless a LOT of the old guys come back.  SU97, Gullet, hoopshops, obnoxioussufan, Britney, eyesoar, cnufan, sushotblocker, ballgame, Swish3, pride1fan, Leroy, notamensa, PSBBGuy, Rikki Tikki Tavy, averetthoops, kickerdad, cnufella, showstopper, and VaSlim22 have all disappeared.  I would add Monarch96 to this list but I think he was actually an alter ego of narch.  roundball too, who I think was actually CNU85's alter ego.  All CNU85 does these days is post news releases about CNU without offering any original thoughts.  I think he is too distracted by his personal trainer.  Narch has totally lost interest now that his team SUCKS, but I'm sure he will say that he's too busy with grad school.  Hell, even that CaptJ guy is posting like he's living on an island in SE Asia.  Even Pat won't post on our board any more.  I asked him 2 times earlier this year if Taylor was nominated to the TOW and he wouldn't answer.  Maybe he no longer watches our board like a hawk like he used to.  Too boring, I guess. 

OK... there's MY flare at the board.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2011, 08:36:39 PM
During the football playoffs I definitely do not watch every board like a hawk.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 15, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
monarch96 was most definitely not my alter ego and my interest in mu has not waned...my interest in posting on these boards has a bit...perhaps because the monarchs haven't been super competitve, but mostly because my kids are getting older and more involved in sports/activities, making it difficult to attend as many games and contribute insightful posts

that being said, the monarchs got their second straight win today (albeit over a 2 win lagrange team) and now stand at 6-9...double their victory total from last year :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Allen C on January 15, 2011, 09:06:41 PM
Watched most of the Ferrum game on the internet, and have to say Ferrum was not as impressive as I had hoped. On the other hand, CNU got it done, and really left FC in the dust. Panthers have to learn to dominate the O boards....too many one and done situations.
Much better on points in the paint in the second half, but they were not able to shut the door on CNU- Gave them too many opportunities.14-2 not bad, but they really needed this one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 16, 2011, 12:18:08 AM
Never had an alter ego. Although now that goose is back I bet that riki tiki guy is gone. I don't post much. Too busy with other stuff. Missed past few games. Work is hectic. Also I'm more involved with CNU. Boards, mentorship, internships, etc. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on January 17, 2011, 07:05:52 PM
I think Riki Tiki has been gone for quite a while...CNU85 is about time you got more involved with your school! I know how you feel tho...my girls are 7 and 5 now and are always on the go. I'd like to get to a game before the end of the season, time and schedules will dictate that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2011, 09:37:45 PM
"watched" the game on live stats tonight, and the monarchs gave the bishops a run, losing 73-69 without jernigan...stallings had a tremendous game, with 25 pts and 7 boards on 9-14 shooting - at one time, mu held ncwc without a fg for almost 4 minutes, but the bishops scored 8 to 10 points on the ft line during that period - ncwc was 24-32 from the ft line while the monarchs were 11-18...3 fayetteville boys played a significant role for the bishops, as well, scoring 34 combined points and gathering 13 rebounds between them

tough home, conference loss, but i think this team might be turning things around...ncwc is now 12-5/4-0 and the monarchs played them tight without jernigan, their leading scorer
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2011, 05:27:36 AM
4-0 / 12-05 N.C. Wesleyan    
3-1 / 14-02 Ferrum    
3-1 / 10-05 Chris. Newport
1-2 / 07-07 Greensboro    
1-2 / 06-10 Methodist
1-2 / 03-11 Shenandoah
0-5 / 02-16 Averett    
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2011, 05:34:37 AM
Quote from: Seatfiller on January 13, 2011, 03:34:03 PM

I would of never thought that SU would be 1-11 midway through the season


2-11 now

Just did some figuring, Shenandoah's 3 wins have come against teams with a current combined record of (8-41) ... Penn St-Altoona (3-12), Marymount (3-13) and Averett (2-16)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 19, 2011, 09:06:44 PM
The Ferrum Panthers  (4-1, 15-2) had a big can of hornet spray killer tonight as they destroyed Shenandoah (1-3, 3-12) by the score of 83-46.

English and Mitchell has 20 and 18 pts while Crump and King both added 10 a piece.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 22, 2011, 05:55:40 PM
5-0    13-05 NCW
4-1    15-02 Ferrum
4-1    11-05 CNU
2-2    07-10 Methodist
1-3    07-08 Greensboro
1-4    03-13 Shenandoah
0-6    02-17 Averett



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 22, 2011, 06:20:25 PM
the monarchs get a 13 point home win vs. su behind a double/double from combs (17/13) - jernigan missed another game due to injury, but the monarchs didn't need him today...the captains come to town on sunday, and i'm hoping that jernigan is ready to go...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 23, 2011, 06:11:38 PM
5-1    16-02 Ferrum
5-1    13-06 NCW
5-1    12-05 CNU
2-3    08-08 Greensboro
2-3    07-11 Methodist
1-5    03-14 Shenandoah
0-6    02-17 Averett


CNU (77) Methodist (74)

Ferrum (90) NCW (84)

Shenandoah (57) Greensboro (61)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: pride1fan on January 23, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: narch on January 22, 2011, 06:20:25 PM
the monarchs get a 13 point home win vs. su behind a double/double from combs (17/13) - jernigan missed another game due to injury, but the monarchs didn't need him today...the captains come to town on sunday, and i'm hoping that jernigan is ready to go...

so?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 23, 2011, 09:32:33 PM
Quote from: pride1fan on January 23, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
so?
welcome back...i've really missed your highly intellectual banter

tough 3 point loss for the monarchs today...stallings has really played well with jernigan out due to injury (he had 22 today)...it will be interesting to see where, how well and how much he plays when jernigan is back
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 27, 2011, 09:13:07 PM
6-1    17-02 Ferrum
6-1    13-05 CNU
5-1    13-06 NCW
2-3    08-08 Greensboro    
2-3    07-11 Methodist
1-6    03-15 Shenandoah
0-7    02-18 Averett    

CNU (75) Shenandoah (52)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 30, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Where is everybody?   ???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 30, 2011, 11:35:53 PM
7-1    18-02 Ferrum
6-1    13-05 CNU
6-1    14-06 NCW
3-3    09-08 Greensboro    
2-5    07-13 Methodist
1-7    03-16 Shenandoah
0-7    02-18 Averett    

Ferrum (98) Methodist (61)

NCW (95) Shenandoah (81)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 01, 2011, 08:11:15 AM
Magic Number Standings

FerrumX
CNU5
NCWC5
Greensboro3
Methodist1
ShenandoahELIM
AverettELIM

Magic Number Formula : (G+1)-W1-L1

G: Conference Games
W1: Conference Leader Wins
L1: Not Conference Leader Losses :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on February 01, 2011, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 19, 2011, 05:34:37 AM
Quote from: Seatfiller on January 13, 2011, 03:34:03 PM

I would of never thought that SU would be 1-11 midway through the season


2-11 now

Just did some figuring, Shenandoah's 3 wins have come against teams with a current combined record of (8-41) ... Penn St-Altoona (3-12), Marymount (3-13) and Averett (2-16)


:o :o :o :o :o  I wondered what happend this year, I saw some of their freshman play in highschool, 2 of them won a state championship
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on February 01, 2011, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: USA-South_Fan on January 30, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Where is everybody?   ???

Same thing I was wondering everyone was a lot more active last year
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 02, 2011, 11:46:52 AM
Watched CNU last night against #11 RMC. I was impressed by CNU's intensity, grit, and never say die attitude! Although it was a loss, it was fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 02, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
Looked up game stats for CNU #11. * turnovers in 32 minutes.....that's 1 TO for every 4 minutes of play...or roughly, every other time CNU has the ball. Not good!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:19:21 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on February 07, 2011, 06:35:49 PM
Magic Number Standings

FerrumX
NCWC4
CNU3
Greensboro1
MethodistELIM
ShenandoahELIM
AverettELIM

Magic Number Formula : (G+1)-W1-L1

G: Conference Games
W1: Conference Leader Wins
L1: Not Conference Leader Losses :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2011, 09:38:21 PM
nice 82-68 win for the monarchs tonight...they've got a shot at a 10 win season, which is nice when your team is coming off of a 3 win season...hopefully they can knock off the mighty capts this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:31:23 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 18, 2011, 10:55:35 PM
if the captains can beat greensboro and the monarchs can pull out a road win vs. shenandoah, the monarchs get a first round tournament home game, despite the loss today...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2011, 08:12:29 PM
mu holds on for a 61-58 win @ su while cnu squeaks out a 3 point victory over the pride, giving the monarchs the #4 seed and a home tournament game...mu finishes the regular season at 10-15, 4-7...the season has been a nice improvement from last year's 3 win....umm....season

now i'd like to see this team make some noise in the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: leroy on February 20, 2011, 12:11:28 AM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2011, 08:12:29 PM
mu holds on for a 61-58 win @ su while cnu squeaks out a 3 point victory over the pride, giving the monarchs the #4 seed and a home tournament game...mu finishes the regular season at 10-15, 4-7...the season has been a nice improvement from last year's 3 win....umm....season

now i'd like to see this team make some noise in the tourney!

narch, and MU returns all 5 starters and 85% of their scoring next season.  dare i jinx it, but MU seems to have a group that SHOULD return next year (pencil it in like all USA South teams do).  averaging a similar rate, jernigan could finish as the 6th leading scorer in school history.  not getting ahead of ourselves here....but a win at home vs GC should be expected (although tough because they just did it a week ago) and a quick trip to beat the over-achieving and primed to be upset Bishops, sets up a MU @ FC final.  MU has a recent history of winning at Ferrum.  i could see the 6th NCAA tourney appearance in school history this season.  am i getting ahead of myself?  maybe, but regardless, 20 wins for MU in 2010-11.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2011, 08:40:06 AM
leroy - i like your optimism, i really do...but i'm not ready to go out on that thin branch you're calling a limb...not yet, anyway

i just hope the monarchs can win on tuesday...that would be a nice start
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Allen C on February 21, 2011, 10:23:18 AM
I have to admit, I am not all that familiar with the D3 B-Ball playoff format- Is it like DI 64 teams? Are there at large bids available to the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2011, 10:23:56 AM
http://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2011, 01:50:54 PM
ok...i haven't done this in a while, so i opened excel and plugged in some numbers to compute PVR (player value rating)

here is the formula i used (using statistics from conference games, only):
[(points+reb+steals)*1.5 + (assists+blocks)*2 - (to's+missed fg+missed ft)]/games played

here are the results:
SCHOOL   NAME                   YR   POS   PVR   PPG   RPG
1st five
FC   Derek Mitchell   Sr   F   40.25   18.5   11.8
CNU   Mike Green   Sr   F   34.46   18.7   8.6
CNU   Conley Taylor   Jr   G   32.21   22.4   4.5
MU   Bryan Hockaday   Fr   F   28.63   13.6   8.4
FC   Keith Crump   Sr   G   28.50   14.2   2.7

2nd five
SU   Mitch Dudley   Sr   F   26.46   13.2   9.3
NCWC   Alex Murray   Jr   F   25.25   13.1   5.9
CNU   Tra Benefield   Fr   G   25.17   14.0   7.9
AU   Marquis Scott   So   G   24.88   11.8   8.2
NCWC   Matt Dougherty   Jr   G   24.75   16.1   4.6

3rd five
GC   Daren Dexter   Sr   F   24.69   14.0   7.2
MU   Kyle Combs   So   F   23.25   11.2   7.9
SU   Kevin Kline   Sr   F   22.17   15.2   4.5
NCWC   Domarius Thomas   Jr   F   21.67   12.3   5.9
MU   Mark Jernigan   Jr   G   21.56   13.4   5.2

4th five
FC   Marcus Mayo   Jr   G   18.83   11.0   3.8
FC   Lamont King   So   F   18.75   10.2   4.1
AU   Kenny Hart   Jr   F   18.13   14.7   5.8
GC   Damian Dixon   Fr   G   18.04   12.6   3.2
AU   Justin Pierce   So   G   17.46   11.8   3.4
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2011, 02:00:53 PM
my poty: derek mitchell, fc
his all-around game is simply too much to overlook and pushes him past conley tayor - mitchell is not a "volume scorer" (of the 22 players analyzed, only 2 shot a lower percentage than conley taylor's 40.6%)...mitchell shot nearly 65%, which is almost 8% higher than his nearest competitor among those analyzed and he's the only player in the conference to average a double double...i'll be glad to see him go :)

my roty: bryan hockaday, mu
benefield (cnu) was close, but hockaday's shot-blocking, rebounding and offensive efficiency  make the difference...plus, he's a monarch, and this is MY award :)

my coty: john thompson, ncwc
for perhaps the first time in history, i will say that ncwc overacheived...the bishops have typically been long on talent, short on results, but this is a team that was 5th in the preseason poll and won the conference title
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2011, 02:10:49 PM
a couple of other statistical highlights i'll throw out...

in conference, keith crump had 78 assists and just 17 to's...that's an amazing 4.59/1 assist to to ratio - he also shot 83% from the line, leading the conference in conference play...nice...that's exactly what you want from a pg

marcus mayo was clearly the best starting qb on the floor...that kid is a beast of an athlete...i think he should forego his senior eligibility in football and hoops and go pro...at something

su finished next to last in the conference...and loses arguably their best 2 players (as measured by PVR) - fc loses a lot, as well...

the trio of juniors at ncwc might make one think the bishops should be good next year, as well...or at least there will be that expectation
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on February 21, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
I havent seen that much USA South Conference basketball but Derek Mitchell is a monster for Ferrum one of the best overall big man ive seen at the d3 level, if he doesnt win POY in the conference something is seriously wrong
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2011, 01:28:25 PM
btw - i am not predicting that hockaday will be a first-team all-conference player...i think he's got a SHOT at being named a 2nd teamer and i think dougherty from ncwc will replace him on the first-team ballot
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on February 22, 2011, 09:50:56 PM
In the first round of the USA South conference tonight:

CNU defeats Shenendoah 84-66

Greensboro beats MU 62-59

Ferrum blasts Averett 70-47
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
tough loss for the monarchs tonight...they couldn't get any breaks - gc seemed to get all of the loose balls and make all of the big shots - it was a very physical game, and that didn't appear to be the monarchs game tonight - with 6:43 left, mu was down by 9 (after cutting into a 14 point gc lead)...by the 5:03 mark, they were down by 1

there is some real potential down the road for the monarchs...when they were good tonight, they looked really good - jernigan looks like he could take over games if he wanted to, hockaday is a beast around the basket, but needs to recognize the double teams better, combs is athletic, long and handles well for a big, stallings is long and athletic (but wasn't on at all tonight) and hayes is quick and solid...the entire starting 5 from tonight should be back next year, and i think that team could win 15 or more games if they progress as expected
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:55:30 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2011, 03:08:13 PM
all conference team announced...http://usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/201102233r3hp4

mitchell poty
benefield roty
thompson coty

jernigan and hockaday 2nd teamers (along with 4 others...a 6 man 2nd team???)

nothing really stands out, other than i personally think hockaday's all-around numbers were better than benefield's, but both had solid rookie campaigns...a solid case could be made for either player, and perhaps cnu's record was the tie-breaker

i also feel like kyle combs is more deserving than dixon from gc, but i'm sure there was pressure to get a gc player on the team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 01, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
belated congrats to the bishops for their tourney win and ncaa spot...do the conference proud, boys
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hsctigers2002 on March 04, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
Shenandoah coach resigned. They better be getting a really good coach this time around with the move to the ODAC...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 08, 2011, 08:31:12 AM
Quote from: hsctigers2002 on March 04, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
Shenandoah coach resigned. They better be getting a really good coach this time around with the move to the ODAC...

Wonder who is applying for the SU job?

Please make note of how many times you hear "I" in the interview below ... the "I" stuff is a big no-no IMHO ...

http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/Former_SU_Basketball_Coach_Robert_Harris_-_Complete_Interview_117108508.html (http://www.tv3winchester.com/sports/headlines/Former_SU_Basketball_Coach_Robert_Harris_-_Complete_Interview_117108508.html)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 08, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
from what i know, coach harris is a class act and seems like a solid coach who has had a couple of bad years...

having said that, i disagree with the philosophy of importing a bunch of juco's at the d3 level...perhaps the su president felt the same way...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 08, 2011, 09:59:27 PM
Quote from: narch on March 08, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
from what i know, coach harris is a class act and seems like a solid coach who has had a couple of bad years...

having said that, i disagree with the philosophy of importing a bunch of juco's at the d3 level...perhaps the su president felt the same way...
Greensboro did the same thing this past year - but they're probably in a financial position where they needed anyone they could get to fill spots at the school.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 09, 2011, 02:22:58 AM
Quote from: narch on March 08, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
from what i know, coach harris is a class act and seems like a solid coach who has had a couple of bad years...

having said that, i disagree with the philosophy of importing a bunch of juco's at the d3 level...perhaps the su president felt the same way...

There were only 4 out of 11 seasons over .500

Also, the beer bus that was operating probably did not sit well with the administration.  This was pre-NEW-Athletic Director.  Still cannot figure out how one kept their position after that as even student-athletes were consuming adult beverages on trips back home according to the bus driver.  A lot of things contributed to this change.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 09, 2011, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on March 09, 2011, 02:22:58 AMThere were only 4 out of 11 seasons over .500
winning isn't everything at the d3 level...but the other accusation, if accurate, sure can lose someone a job with a quickness at any level

i can only base my opinion on my observations, and i was always impressed with the way coach harris handled himself in the riddle center...he seemed intense, but at the same, it seemed that his guys really responded to him well - in my experience, it seemed that he had full control of the team both on and off the court
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 17, 2011, 07:32:44 AM
Any chatter on who has applied for the SU job?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on March 18, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
D-BAT - I'm thinking it might be someone from the assistant ranks out of the ODAC. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 18, 2011, 08:19:57 PM
I'm hearing Pat Kennedy might be in the mix???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Kennedy
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on March 23, 2011, 11:51:37 PM
Quote from: hsctigers2002 on March 04, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
Shenandoah coach resigned. They better be getting a really good coach this time around with the move to the ODAC...

Word on the street is that SU's AD called all of the ODAC AD's inquiring if they had any assistant coaches interested in the SU job. 

Did you hear the same?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on March 25, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
D-BAT - I am only aware of one assistant from the ranks of USA South who applied. But he played and coached in the ODAC for 6 years.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 11, 2011, 03:13:59 PM
I hope you guys will be nice.http://www.usasouth.net/general/2010-11/11piedmontjoin
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: 78rmc on April 11, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on March 25, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
D-BAT - I am only aware of one assistant from the ranks of USA South who applied. But he played and coached in the ODAC for 6 years.

Will he wear the NY Giants jersey on the sidelines?   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 11, 2011, 04:46:59 PM
Quote from: bballlover on April 11, 2011, 03:13:59 PM
I hope you guys will be nice.http://www.usasouth.net/general/2010-11/11piedmontjoin

There's more/better information in our story:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/04/piedmont-to-join-usac
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on April 12, 2011, 08:32:54 AM
78rmc - I think SU could use a little intensity and our boy sure has that ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: 78rmc on April 12, 2011, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on April 12, 2011, 08:32:54 AM
78rmc - I think SU could use a little intensity and our boy sure has that ;D

Intensity, that's a good way to say it.  But, honestly, I hope he gets a shot, sounds like he's earned it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 12, 2011, 06:46:43 PM
Quote from: jdubyadubya on March 25, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
D-BAT - I am only aware of one assistant from the ranks of USA South who applied. But he played and coached in the ODAC for 6 years.

Who is that?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 15, 2011, 05:34:05 PM
To my nemesis, be fair.  I haven't posted since April 5 (and that was nothing to get upset about), but you've gone in daily for the last week to 10 days and dinged me.  Did I do something to tick you off?  I "get" karma and smiting, but I don't understand smiting when you don't post anything.  :)

There once was a poster who's read
With humor and insight and dread.
He said "Was I clever
Or will I forever
Get hit with a smite when I'm dead!?"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DeWayneCarter on April 17, 2011, 02:07:45 PM
Just heard some horrible news.... Brian Hermann... a junior forward for CNU, was killed last night in a car accident. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and his CNU teammates. A terrible loss.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 17, 2011, 03:28:25 PM
Indeed. Prayers and thoughts go out to the Hermann family. brian was a tremendous competitor and i'm sure an even better person off the court. The story is on cnusports.com front page.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on April 17, 2011, 03:50:09 PM
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-nws-cnu-herrmann-0418,0,5598142.story (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-nws-cnu-herrmann-0418,0,5598142.story)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 18, 2011, 05:50:45 PM
Quote from: DeWayneCarter on April 17, 2011, 02:07:45 PM
Just heard some horrible news.... Brian Hermann... a junior forward for CNU, was killed last night in a car accident. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and his CNU teammates. A terrible loss.
Always sorry to hear stories such as this.  My condolences as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 19, 2011, 03:33:24 PM
Maryville announces a combo guard from GA has committed to play for the Scots.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3914/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 20, 2011, 01:43:40 PM
i'm just now reading about hermann...tough deal for cnu - he was a nice player on the court, but it sounds like he excelled in life
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on April 20, 2011, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 19, 2011, 03:33:24 PM
Maryville announces a combo guard from GA has committed to play for the Scots.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3914/
scottiedoug...does the fact that you're posting this here indicate that m'ville will be joining the usasac and i just haven't heard about it yet?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 21, 2011, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: narch on April 20, 2011, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 19, 2011, 03:33:24 PM
Maryville announces a combo guard from GA has committed to play for the Scots.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/3914/
scottiedoug...does the fact that you're posting this here indicate that m'ville will be joining the usasac and i just haven't heard about it yet?
Good point, narch.  Not sure if Maryville has the desire (and money!) to seek membership in the SCAC, but they're right in the "middle" of a lot of those schools (Centre, Sewanee, Rhodes, Birmingham-Southern, Oglethorpe, Millsaps and so forth).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on April 22, 2011, 07:55:13 AM
LaGrange to join the party.http://www.lagrangepanthers.com/genrel/USA_South_Release
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 22, 2011, 11:58:18 AM
I have no inside information about what Maryville's AD and President and board are thinking.  In many ways, the SCAC is a better fit for scheduling and travel but I do not think the SCAC will invite Maryville (and I do not know if MC would want to look into it formally or even if there have been discussions).  The SCAC has a class identity to protect and all its member schools have a lot more endowment resources than MC does.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on April 22, 2011, 05:07:40 PM
The Daily Times story on LaGrange move with link to Piedmont story as well.

http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Other_shoe_drops_for_MC_as_LaGrange_heads_to_USAC_id_010454 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Other_shoe_drops_for_MC_as_LaGrange_heads_to_USAC_id_010454)

Sounds like conference Conference call on Monday to see what's possible.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 23, 2011, 06:59:59 AM
Who is in the running for the SU job?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 25, 2011, 04:57:55 AM
April 24, 2011

WINCHESTER, Va. - Shenandoah University Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Wayne Edwards announced Sunday afternoon that the department will hold a press conference on Wednesday, April 27, to introduce its new head men's basketball coach.

The press conference begins at 4 p.m. in Room 222 of Harrison-Halpin Hall and will feature remarks from Dr. Edwards, SU President Tracy Fitzsimmons and the new coach.

Following the conclusion of remarks by the new coach, media members will have the opportunity for one-on-one interviews with him.

Media members interested in attending the press conference should contact Scott Musa, Assistant AD, at 540.665.5417 or smusa@su.edu by 3 p.m. Tuesday for credentials.

The public is invited and encouraged to attend this event.

The press conference will also be webcast for those fans unable to attend the event in person. Click here to view the webcast.

###


http://suhornets.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/201104211fj2gm (http://suhornets.com/sports/mbkb/2010-11/releases/201104211fj2gm)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jdubyadubya on April 26, 2011, 02:26:43 PM
D-BAT - rumor is that it's somebody from outside the Mid Atlantic, USA South, ODAC, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on April 26, 2011, 02:48:57 PM
sounds like an assistant coach from Air Force
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on April 27, 2011, 01:35:39 AM
Pryor will be SU hoops coach
April 27, 2011
By David Selig
The Winchester Star
         
WINCHESTER- Shenandoah University has called a press conference for today where Rob Pryor will be introduced as the Hornets' new men's basketball coach.

Pryor - a 1993 graduate of Tabb High School in Yorktown - recently completed his fifth season on the coaching staff at the Air Force Academy.

He also spent one season as an assistant coach at Siena.

He replaces Rob Harris, who resigned in February just days after the Hornets completed a 4-21 season.

Shenandoah's athletic department would not comment on the hiring Tuesday, only confirming that there will be a press conference today.

The conference is scheduled to begin at 4 p.m. in Room 126 of Harrison-Halpin Hall and will include remarks from SU Athletic Director Wayne Edwards and SU President Tracy Fitzsimmons.

The public is invited to attend the press conference. Live video will also be streamed on suhornets.com.

This will be Pryor's first stint as the head coach of a varsity collegiate program, but the Air Force Academy alumnus was in charge of the school's junior varsity team in 2005-06 and spent three seasons before that coaching at the Air Force's preparatory school.

During the 2005-06 season Pryor also helped out on head coach Jeff Bzdelik's varsity staff at Air Force. The Falcons went 24-7 that year, posting their best winning percentage ever and leading all of Division I in scoring defense.

In 2006-07, Pryor was an assitant under Fran McCaffery at Siena, when the Saints went 20-12 and reached the championship game of the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference Tournament. McCaffery was named the conference's Coach of the Year.

Pryor returned to Air Force the following year to become an assistant under Jeff Reynolds.

In high school, Pryor was a first-team All-Region I basketball player his senior season, as well as a first-team All-Group AA soccer player.

He played basketball for two years on the junior varsity team at Air Force while he was a cadet.

After graduating with a degree in human behavior, Pryor attended graduate school at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. He received a master's degree in education with an emphasis in counseling in 1998.

He then began his first Air Force assignment as a contracting officer at Langley AFB.

While stationed there, he earned a master's degree in business administration at William & Mary.

According to his bio on the Air Force athletic website, Pryor and his wife Joy have three sons.

Pryor will take over an SU team that loses five seniors.

The Hornets are scheduled to begin the 2011-12 season with an exhibition at Radford Nov. 11, followed by the regular season opener at Eastern Mennonite Nov. 15. The first home game is Nov. 22 against Washington & Lee.

Harris had been SU's head coach for the past 11 seasons, compiling a record of 125-162.

- Contact David Selig at
dselig@winchesterstar.com
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 27, 2011, 09:21:12 AM
Sounds as though Shenandoah found a winner, both on and off the court.  He'll be a great addition to the USASAC and later, to the ODAC.  Congratulations to Coach Pryor and to SU!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 21, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
As heard on WUNC out of Chapel Hill today, Peace College in Raleigh is changing its name to William Peace University and will become coed in 2012.  Are the Pacers the next traditionally female college to add men's sports to the USASAC?  I see men's basketball, soccer and tennis on the horizon - the venues already exist.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2011, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 21, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
As heard on WUNC out of Chapel Hill today, Peace College in Raleigh is changing its name to William Peace University and will become coed in 2012.  Are the Pacers the next traditionally female college to add men's sports to the USASAC?  I see men's basketball, soccer and tennis on the horizon - the venues already exist.
Add baseball, because you get a large number of quality male student athletes and then cross country as the 5th sport.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 21, 2011, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2011, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: hasanova on July 21, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
As heard on WUNC out of Chapel Hill today, Peace College in Raleigh is changing its name to William Peace University and will become coed in 2012.  Are the Pacers the next traditionally female college to add men's sports to the USASAC?  I see men's basketball, soccer and tennis on the horizon - the venues already exist.
Add baseball, because you get a large number of quality male student athletes and then cross country as the 5th sport.
I thought of baseball, but know they're a bit of a landlocked campus.  There are many off-campus venues in Raleigh, however, for baseball, so you could be right.  Cross country, as you say, could probably start right away.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 22, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
Well let's say William Peace could start MBB in the 2012 season.Who do you foresee being travel pardners?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 22, 2011, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: bballlover on July 22, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
Well let's say William Peace could start MBB in the 2012 season.Who do you foresee being travel pardners?
It may not happen that quickly since they won't admit any men until next fall, but ... it would probably have to be Methodist or NC Wesleyan.  Raleigh's "kinda sorta" halfway between Fayetteville and Rocky Mount (NC).  Greensboro is also a reasonable partner for WPU if Methodist and NCWC are already paired.  It's about 80-85 miles from downtown Greensboro to downtown Raleigh.  I'm not sure how it's structured now, but Greensboro is probably closest to Averett.  With all the changes, Greensboro may end up being paired with Maryville!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on July 28, 2011, 11:17:59 PM
I was looking to see if it was posted yet now that -- for the moment -- all the 2012-13 moves seem to be made. Do we have a format for divisional or is it 18 conference games?

William Peace news would make it 11 wouldn't it?

Though not just building a program will take time, but building locker rooms will take time too. You can paint another stripe on the floor and buy a new set of basketballs quick enough, but you got to have places to change and break away rims don't hurt either. I saw Agnes Scott pull it off for the GSAC tourney but that was to get through a weekends changing not a 25-game season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 28, 2011, 11:58:33 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on July 28, 2011, 11:17:59 PM
I was looking to see if it was posted yet now that -- for the moment -- all the 2012-13 moves seem to be made. Do we have a format for divisional or is it 18 conference games?

William Peace news would make it 11 wouldn't it?

Though not just building a program will take time, but building locker rooms will take time too. You can paint another stripe on the floor and buy a new set of basketballs quick enough, but you got to have places to change and break away rims don't hurt either. I saw Agnes Scott pull it off for the GSAC tourney but that was to get through a weekends changing not a 25-game season.
Well, (William) Peace hasn't even announced what men's sports (if any) they'll offer or when, but it's reasonable to think they're trying to shore up their student body numbers by dangling a men's sports carrot.  I'd look to what Randolph did to ease into the ODAC and a full schedule.  Basically, their first season or two wasn't 25 games and they weren't playing (or eligible) for the conference championship.  
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on July 29, 2011, 11:07:57 AM
Here is a link to CNU sports archived stories. Take a look at the stories that are " A View From The Post". Interesting series on how a d3 coach spends the summer. a perspective I never had!

http://cnusports.com/archives.aspx?path=mbball& (http://cnusports.com/archives.aspx?path=mbball&)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: batteredbard on July 28, 2011, 11:17:59 PM
I was looking to see if it was posted yet now that -- for the moment -- all the 2012-13 moves seem to be made. Do we have a format for divisional or is it 18 conference games?

William Peace news would make it 11 wouldn't it?

Though not just building a program will take time, but building locker rooms will take time too. You can paint another stripe on the floor and buy a new set of basketballs quick enough, but you got to have places to change and break away rims don't hurt either. I saw Agnes Scott pull it off for the GSAC tourney but that was to get through a weekends changing not a 25-game season.

They'll have to paint another stripe on the floor anyway. The women's line moves back this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 25, 2011, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on July 29, 2011, 11:07:57 AM
Here is a link to CNU sports archived stories. Take a look at the stories that are " A View From The Post". Interesting series on how a d3 coach spends the summer. a perspective I never had!

http://cnusports.com/archives.aspx?path=mbball& (http://cnusports.com/archives.aspx?path=mbball&)
that guy has "future head coach" written all over him...those were an enjoyable read
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on August 25, 2011, 09:53:21 PM
got a look at the mu schedule - as usual, very tough...2 d1's (coastal carolina and the game i'm most excited about...campbell), @guilford, @hsc, @w&l, @vwc, @m'ville

http://www.mumonarchs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

i'm really disappointed to see that the monarchs have only 8 home games scheduled...it's hard for students and the mu community to get behind a team when they only see them play 8 times...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 25, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
Narch:  That MU schedule looks like Maryville's from last year...too few home games.  Maybe the "new" USA South will balance this up in 2012.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 26, 2011, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: narch on August 25, 2011, 09:53:21 PM
got a look at the mu schedule - as usual, very tough...2 d1's (coastal carolina and the game i'm most excited about...campbell), @guilford, @hsc, @w&l, @vwc, @m'ville

http://www.mumonarchs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

i'm really disappointed to see that the monarchs have only 8 home games scheduled...it's hard for students and the mu community to get behind a team when they only see them play 8 times...
narch, it's all those tremendous payouts for taking the road trip (App State at Michigan, anyone?).  All kidding aside, even counting neutral tournaments during the holidays, most DIII's still get at least 10 of 25 on their home court.  Of course, in the current 7-team USA South configuration, you're only guaranteed 6 home games for conference.  Get to ten or so and that'll have to change!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on September 26, 2011, 11:06:55 AM
CNU's schedule looks tough. I'm glad the game vs D1 Hampton is an exhibition. And the game against VWC at ODU and before the ODU game should be fun!

http://cnusports.com/news/2011/9/23/MBB_0923115224.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2011/9/23/MBB_0923115224.aspx)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on October 15, 2011, 11:41:25 AM
Very interesting.  Former Pride player at University of Maryland! (Maybe this was already mentioned, but I thought I would throw this out there.)

http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/auslander_john00.html

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Bob on October 25, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
NCW and CNU both receiving votes in the D3Hoops poll.   What are the chances both teams get up into the actually ranked section of the poll?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 05, 2011, 12:20:23 AM
To get the season started right, two pieces from The Daily Times

It really is MURVUL
http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/MC-mens-hoops-get-new-inspiration-for-practice-gear-id-017325 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/MC-mens-hoops-get-new-inspiration-for-practice-gear-id-017325)


http://www.thedailytimes.com/Marcus_Fitzsimmons/story/Its-how-they-play-the-game-id-017364 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Marcus_Fitzsimmons/story/Its-how-they-play-the-game-id-017364)


From what I can tell so far, it sounds like the days of men's women's double headers in the new USASAC are over, except by accident under current proposals. Though nothing is finalized yet as ADs have another meeting this month trying to figure it all out. I know two coaches have indicated that at one point the idea of geographic division went out the window for travel partners and who played who twice versus once was more random draw. I have no idea how that translates into anything but an everyone plays conference tourney. But not sure its the latest and greatest idea on the table.
This sounds like a very tough process for those staying and for those going in the GSAC and everyone staying in the USASAC but it sounds like coaches and admins are meeting the roadblocks we kept coming up with when we've posted merger plans off and on over the years.

But that said, it looks like a good season ahead.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Bob on November 08, 2011, 06:05:25 PM
CNU is getting ready to take on DI Hampton Univ. in a preseason match.  Hampton (MEAC champs) went to the NCAAs but were paired against Duke early on so didn't have much of a chance there.

The interesting thing is that DIII CNU is hosting the match.  I'll check back in with an update after the game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on November 08, 2011, 09:12:34 PM
I hadn't realized the game was at CNU.
That is interesting. Maybe the wiser owls know if thats a one and only in D3 this season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 08, 2011, 10:32:22 PM
Just got back from game. Some random thoughts. First, HU. I wasn't impressed. If they are MEAC champs then the MEAC is about as strong as the ODAC. And the MEAC is DI scholarship. Virginia Wesleyan would have beaten HU tonight. Some CNU players could take some of those scholarships. But hey, it was first game.

CNU. I'm not gonna give a detailed scouting report for everyone. I was more than pleasantly surprised by what I saw. Especially with it being the first game and against a DI school. They came to play. I'm gonna have to look at the roster to learn some names. This is going to be a fun year. I'm excited. If CNU starts out the year playing like they did today they will be getting more votes in the polls.

The game - CNU lead most of first half. Better coached team tonight. Final score was 94-79. CNU needs to hit the free throw line in practice. Other than that, I'm not gonna say anything else. Let the season begin!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Bob on November 08, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
I agree with '85 overall.

It was a game of two very different halves.  CNU came out strong early, and Hampton just did not.  HU had us beat in terms of height and (I imagine) talent, but the Captains came out with the hustle.  The defense was strong as well.  CNU led by as much as 6 (maybe 8) in the first, but started to lose focus on offense toward the end of the half, and we were down just 4 at the half.

In the second, Hampton came out quick with a run and took control, leading by more than 24 at some points as CNU continued to look lost on offense and just did not box out on either side of the floor.  We got back to fundamentals towards the end and managed to cut the lead to 13, losing in the end by 15.

Like '85, I was not impressed with Hampton.  For a DI school, they looked pretty sloppy.  For one, their head coach came out in sweat pants and spent a good part of the game leaning on the scorers table.  Most of the players had shoes that looked fairly worn and did not match at all.  Just not professional.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 08, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
http://cnusports.com/news/2011/11/8/MBB_1108111909.aspx (http://cnusports.com/news/2011/11/8/MBB_1108111909.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on November 11, 2011, 01:50:18 PM
Excited to watch Coach Pryor at SU.  The chatter that I've been hearing from the players is that IF Coach Pryor had been around within the last 4yrs, the players think they would of won a USAS conference title.

The man was handed a deck with very limited cards, so give him a couple of seasons and good things will happen for SU basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 11, 2011, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on November 11, 2011, 01:50:18 PM
Excited to watch Coach Pryor at SU.  The chatter that I've been hearing from the players is that IF Coach Pryor had been around within the last 4yrs, the players think they would of won a USAS conference title.

The man was handed a deck with very limited cards, so give him a couple of seasons and good things will happen for SU basketball.

Good luck in the ODAC. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out once SU is playing top 20 teams as part of conference schedule. A much tougher conference. Is the first season in ODAC next year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on November 12, 2011, 08:04:20 PM
Radford 38 SU 36 ... at the 1/2 from Radford University.

Coach Pryor has the kids prepared to play at an higher level tonight.  They are disciplined and running an offense!

13 of 25 from the field, 8 of 12 3pt shots and 2 of 2 from charity stripe for the 1st half.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/radford/mbball/index.htm



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 12, 2011, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on November 12, 2011, 08:04:20 PM
Radford 38 SU 36 ... at the 1/2 from Radford University.

Coach Pryor has the kids prepared to play at an higher level tonight.  They are disciplined and running an offense!

13 of 25 from the field, 8 of 12 3pt shots and 2 of 2 from charity stripe for the 1st half.

http://www.sidearmstats.com/radford/mbball/index.htm

My wife went to Radford. Go SU!!!! Bahahahahahahahahahaha. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 12, 2011, 09:08:51 PM
the monarchs fall 104 - 61 to coastal carolina - coastal likes to get up and down the floor and shoot the 3, and it appears they did so frequently vs. the monarchs today - guilford is up next for MU
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on November 12, 2011, 10:27:46 PM
Radford wore down SU in the 2nd half to pull away with 79-50 win.

The perception is that Coach Pryor's team will compete with anyone.  Tonight's game was an exhibition for SU but a game that counted in the standings for Radford.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 15, 2011, 10:04:28 PM
mu falls to guilford 65-53 and gets out-shot 40 to 13 at the free throw line...guilford must really be aggressive taking the ball to the rack

hockaday had a productive night, going for 11 pts, 8 rebounds and 7 blocks...

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2011, 10:34:08 PM
Darn! CNU was down by 18 at Randolph Macon. Tied it with 6 seconds left and ended up losing 90-88. Great effort. RMC is a very good team and we were in their house. CNU plays with intensity and never gives up. Gonna be an exciting season!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2011, 11:14:22 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 15, 2011, 10:34:08 PM
Darn! CNU was down by 18 at Randolph Macon. Tied it with 6 seconds left and ended up losing 90-88. Great effort. RMC is a very good team and we were in their house. CNU plays with intensity and never gives up. Gonna be an exciting season!!

Just looked at the play-by-play. That 18 point deficit was with 4:51 to play. R-MC has a couple of experienced senior guards, but the front line didn't see much action last season given the strength of last year's senior big men. The soph for R-MC who scored 28 tonight had a total of 14 points all last season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 16, 2011, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: narch on November 15, 2011, 10:04:28 PM
mu falls to guilford 65-53 and gets out-shot 40 to 13 at the free throw line...guilford must really be aggressive taking the ball to the rack

hockaday had a productive night, going for 11 pts, 8 rebounds and 7 blocks...
narch, GC made 15 of 16 in the last few minutes when the Monarchs were down a lot and trying to play catch-up.  The lead was as much as 17, I think.  It was a very cold-shooting night by both teams, but I believe MU will have a +.500 record in 2011-2012.

By the way, what's up with all the different shoes?  It's called a "uni"form.  I swear, I don't think I saw two Monarchs sporting the same type or color of shoes tonight.  Interesting.  There was definitely some freedom of expression going on.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 16, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
Big Game Tonight!!

GC vs GC.  I think it should be an exciting game tonight.  It looks like Guilford/Methodist game neither team shot very well.  One impressive stat was Guilford went to the FT 40 times, nearly half their points came from the FT line.  The points were mostly score by the guards at the line.  My guess is those guards were aggressive.  The box score indicates a guard oriented team.  Probably a 4 out 1 in offense that relies heavily on dribble penetration and either dishing it out or finishing inside with the guards.  You don't see much from the F/C position. Either that or Methodist ran a bunch of zone to shut down the inside.

Both teams have experience and I am sure it will be on display tonight.  Greensboro always seems to play very well at home.  I think they pull this one out tonight because it is at home.  Pride win 75-62
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 16, 2011, 11:59:08 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 16, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
Big Game Tonight!!

GC vs GC.  I think it should be an exciting game tonight.  It looks like Guilford/Methodist game neither team shot very well.  One impressive stat was Guilford went to the FT 40 times, nearly half their points came from the FT line.  The points were mostly score by the guards at the line.  My guess is those guards were aggressive.  The box score indicates a guard oriented team.  Probably a 4 out 1 in offense that relies heavily on dribble penetration and either dishing it out or finishing inside with the guards.  You don't see much from the F/C position. Either that or Methodist ran a bunch of zone to shut down the inside.

Both teams have experience and I am sure it will be on display tonight.  Greensboro always seems to play very well at home.  I think they pull this one out tonight because it is at home.  Pride win 75-62
I'm disappointed that this double-header is being played at Hanes Gym, but I understand GCP's reluctance to give up their home game.  The gym is simply too small to accommodate everyone, especially with the Pride women ranked this season and the intense rivalry on the men's side.  In fact, with virtually no parking and the fact that I probably won't even get in if I don't get there really early, I'm not sure I'm even going to try to go - which is a shame.  I think the men's game will be tight, but don't get too overconfident after Greensboro's big win over the Johnson & Wales (Charlotte) squad - Guilford will be a lot tougher egg to fry (pun absolutely intended).  :) 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 16, 2011, 01:22:59 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 16, 2011, 11:59:08 AM
Quote from: GuyFormerlyPSBBG on November 16, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
Big Game Tonight!!

GC vs GC.  I think it should be an exciting game tonight.  It looks like Guilford/Methodist game neither team shot very well.  One impressive stat was Guilford went to the FT 40 times, nearly half their points came from the FT line.  The points were mostly score by the guards at the line.  My guess is those guards were aggressive.  The box score indicates a guard oriented team.  Probably a 4 out 1 in offense that relies heavily on dribble penetration and either dishing it out or finishing inside with the guards.  You don't see much from the F/C position. Either that or Methodist ran a bunch of zone to shut down the inside.

Both teams have experience and I am sure it will be on display tonight.  Greensboro always seems to play very well at home.  I think they pull this one out tonight because it is at home.  Pride win 75-62
I'm disappointed that this double-header is being played at Hanes Gym, but I understand GCP's reluctance to give up their home game.  The gym is simply too small to accommodate everyone, especially with the Pride women ranked this season and the intense rivalry on the men's side.  In fact, with virtually no parking and the fact that I probably won't even get in if I don't get there really early, I'm not sure I'm even going to try to go - which is a shame.  I think the men's game will be tight, but don't get too overconfident after Greensboro's big win over the Johnson & Wales (Charlotte) squad - Guilford will be a lot tougher egg to fry (pun absolutely intended).  :)

A good fried egg is tough to make. Although I call them "dippy eggs".  :) I would be willing to bet next year the game will be played at GCQ.  I think it would be fun for the series, although I don't think the coaches would agree, the winning team will continue to host until the losing team can beat them. How does that sound?

I know how much you dislike Hanes Gym, but I love that atmosphere.  I hope there is video for the games.  If there is, please let it be decent! Last year's broadcasts were good, but trying to watch a football game this year was like eating an under cooked "dippy egg" :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 16, 2011, 03:18:23 PM
GFPSBBG,

Regarding Hanes Gym at Greensboro, it's not that I dislike the atmosphere, it's just a 500-seat former women's college gym from the 1950's that is absolutely inadequate for the intracity rivalry.  A lot of people aren't even going to go tonight because there is no where to park and a slim chance of getting in.  It's not fair to Greensboro to not host every other year, but it's also not fair to the visiting team to play such a big game in a woefully undersized facility.  Granted, the Greensboro Coliseum is too big, but the Coliseum Annex would probably be about right and, of course, Ragan-Brown on Guilford's campus seats 2500.  After the near chaos in 2007, I actually didn't think Guilford would ever agree to play a men's game there again.  I didn't necessarily feel unsafe, but I didn't feel very comfortable either.

May the best team win.  Go Quakers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 16, 2011, 11:07:41 PM
The Guilford Quakers over the Greensboro Pride tonight, 60-59, at GCP's Hanes Gym.  I couldn't attend, but it must have been SRO if Greensboro squeezed in 1300.  GCQ took the final lead with about 4 minutes to go and survived a GCP missed 3-point attempt at the buzzer.  Depending on how Guilford's tournament goes Friday night, the two teams could face each other again on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 19, 2011, 09:53:47 PM
CNU wins 2nd night in a row. Home opener Monday night. Can't wait!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2011, 10:30:21 PM
Guilford over Greensboro for the second time this week - this one by 72-60.  The consolation game saw Bridgewater (VA) stick their talons in Johnson & Wales (NC), 85-41.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 21, 2011, 02:09:05 PM
the monarchs are off to an 0-3 start after dropping a pair of games in ohio this weekend to #6 marietta (92-69) and kenyon (79-77)

i was "watching" the marietta game on live-stats, and mu was down just 2 at the half, and around 8 minutes into the second half they were down something like 60-51...maybe five minutes later i went back to livestats and the score was something like 82 -60 - i thought maybe something was wrong with livestats until i looked at the play-by-play today and confirmed that mu was down 7 (61-54) with 11:45 to play and marietta went on a 9-0 run that turned into a 19-4 run over the next 5 minutes, and essentially ended the game - combs had a nice night, with 15 points, 11 rebounds and 3 assists (0 turnovers) while hockaday went for 12/6

the monarchs led by as much as 8 around 5 minutes into the second half vs. kenyon, only to lose on a jumper with :02 left - the monarch guards played really well vs. kenyon, with whitehead pouring in 25 (9-13 fg) and stallings putting up 17 points and pulling down 10 rebounds

i noticed an oddity after looking at the box-scores from each game...in all 3 losses the monarchs have shot for a higher percentage than their opponents (.421 vs .388 on the season, including mu shooting .473 vs marietta and .491 vs kenyon), they have out-rebounded 2 of their opponents (+4.3 rebound/gm margin), they have out-blocked their opponents (15 to 8 on the season) and yet they are 0-3 with 2 blowout losses...the monarchs are, however, averaging 22 turnovers per game (that isn't a typo...22 turnovers/game) and they have been out-shot at the ft line 71 to 49 (56 to 36 made ft differential)

the monarchs have got to take care of the ball better and get to the ft line more

home game vs. #23 hampden sydney on tuesday night...let's see if the boys can turn this around a little!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 22, 2011, 10:11:22 PM
Congratulations to the Monarchs, narch.  MU's 81-79 win over HSC was a nice comeback!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 22, 2011, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 22, 2011, 10:11:22 PM
Congratulations to the Monarchs, narch.  MU's 81-79 win over HSC was a nice comeback!
'nova - thanks - i gave a full recap of the game over on the odac board, but it was a fun game to watch - i think the monarchs played to some of the potential that i imagined at the start of the season - they still had too many turnovers (15) and they didn't shoot the 3 well tonight (just 2 of 10), but the fact that they pulled out a win with combs on the bench with 4 fouls for most of the second half against a top 25 team is exciting...now they have to follow this win with another vs. piedmont on saturday before a stretch that includes road trips to maryville, vwc and d1 campbell (although the latter trip isn't too far)...pc is always a tough matchup for the monarchs...coach glenn seems to have an idea what the monarchs want to run before they run it :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 22, 2011, 11:04:37 PM
Congrats on the win.MU has had a brutal schedule so far.Piedmont won easy tonight but wil have to play very good to stay with MU.I agree it always seems to be close.PC will play several young guys and with only one game under their belt and it being their first real road trip it will be interesting to see how they respond.I hope you will give us a recap narch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 23, 2011, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: narch on November 22, 2011, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 22, 2011, 10:11:22 PM
Congratulations to the Monarchs, narch.  MU's 81-79 win over HSC was a nice comeback!
'nova - thanks - i gave a full recap of the game over on the odac board, but it was a fun game to watch - i think the monarchs played to some of the potential that i imagined at the start of the season - they still had too many turnovers (15) and they didn't shoot the 3 well tonight (just 2 of 10), but the fact that they pulled out a win with combs on the bench with 4 fouls for most of the second half against a top 25 team is exciting...now they have to follow this win with another vs. piedmont on saturday before a stretch that includes road trips to maryville, vwc and d1 campbell (although the latter trip isn't too far)...pc is always a tough matchup for the monarchs...coach glenn seems to have an idea what the monarchs want to run before they run it :)
As I mentioned earlier when the Monarchs played at Guilford, I think Methodist is a talented team.  I could see their potential and thought they'd win over half their games this season.  I read your recap off the game on the ODAC forum - not sure why George was on the bench, but this is not a new story at HSC.  I'll follow their progress the rest of the season, but this is a nice win for your program.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 23, 2011, 06:34:53 PM
Congrats Narch! Nice win. And VWC lost lost their opener! Happy hunting!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 26, 2011, 09:19:46 PM
mu makes it 2 straight, with a 75-66 win over piedmont - 29 to's...still WAY too many, but a win is a win - whitehead went for 23 - he is an IMPRESSIVE player when he's on...much improved as a sophomore

mu travels to m'ville next....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: LTBB1971 on November 28, 2011, 07:46:52 PM
NCWC makes it 3 wins out of last 4 with 73-70 win over Hampden Sydney.  Soph J. Morrison scores 16 with 8 rebounds and Sr. Alex Murray came up big with 10 points 9 rebounds off the bench.  Up next is 5-0 Guilford.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 03, 2011, 07:33:03 PM
mu goes on the road and wins their third straight against m'ville, 79-78 - whitehead goes for 24, jernigan has 20 and hockaday has another double double with 10/10 - frosh dervin johnson hit the game winner with 12 seconds left and scored 12 points - not to sound like a broken record, but the monarchs have to cut down on the turnovers, with another 21 today - since the season opener, they have really shot the ball well to overcome the turnovers, and they shot 46% today - if they have a game where they shoot in the 30% range, those turnovers are going to mean a loss - next up for mu is a road trip to #5 vwc on tuesday before heading up the road to buies creek to take on d1 campbell on saturday...whew...tough stretch

and i know this is a men's board, but congrats to the lady monarchs for a road victory against #19 cnu...good win ladies!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 07, 2011, 01:43:25 PM
winning streak over in a big way...at one point on livestats last night, vwc was up 31-9 and reading the recap, it apparently grew to 40-10 - final was 94-62...ouch

i'm hoping the monarchs can be more competitive vs. campbell on saturday...cu is 7-1 with victories over iowa and east carolina...hopefully it doesn't get ugly
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 07, 2011, 03:53:39 PM
Quote from: narch on December 07, 2011, 01:43:25 PM
winning streak over in a big way...at one point on livestats last night, vwc was up 31-9 and reading the recap, it apparently grew to 40-10 - final was 94-62...ouch

i'm hoping the monarchs can be more competitive vs. campbell on saturday...cu is 7-1 with victories over iowa and east carolina...hopefully it doesn't get ugly
Hmmm ... my prediction is, it will.  Wow, the result versus VWC doesn't bode well for the ODAC teams that have to play the Marlins.  Even though VWC lost the first game of the season, I guess the talent is there to justify their preseason #1.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on December 09, 2011, 07:17:42 PM
You can definitely tell its exam week! At least at CNU and it seems like most other schools as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 10, 2011, 08:06:16 PM
it got ugly...

the monarchs played campbell pretty tight for the majority of the first half and trailed by 7 at with around 6:00 left, but cu stretched the lead to 18 at the half...

the second half was more of the same, and cu ended up with a 103-55 win - mu emptied their bench with around 7:00 left, but the camels were apparently gunning for 100, leaving their starters in for most of the game...in fact, with 1:30 left, i counted at least 3 campbell starters on the floor and with :45 seconds left and up by 40+, the camels were still running offense and working hard to score...

whitehead didn't make the trip...jernigan and combs both played solid games, but campbell just had too many athletic wings for the monarchs

it was also probably the poorest officiated game i've ever seen...it didn't make an impact on the game, but those guys didn't deserve a game check today - poor officiating isn't unique to division 3, apparently
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 13, 2011, 02:52:51 PM
http://www.peace.edu/content/page/id/1307

Guilford assistant Claude Shields has been named the first men's basketball and golf coach at William Peace University.  Pacers will begin play in the fall of 2012.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 13, 2011, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 13, 2011, 02:52:51 PM
http://www.peace.edu/content/page/id/1307

Guilford assistant Claude Shields has been named the first men's basketball and golf coach at William Peace University.  Pacers will begin play in the fall of 2012.  Congratulations!
QuoteFour-Year Baccalaureate University Hires Coach To Oversee Its First Male Recreational Sports Offerings
i found this to be an interesting headline, all around...peace referring to itself as "four-year baccalaureate university" feels kind of like an athlete going third-person and the term "recreational sports offerings" instead of intercollegiate sports is a bit odd, as well - maybe the folks at a women's school write differently :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 16, 2011, 10:33:12 PM
just took a look at the monarchs coming weekend...mount st. vincent on saturday is a 2-6 d3...should be an opportunity for mu to get a win, but of course, kenyon has a similar record and beat mu early in the season - on sunday, the monarchs get a 9-1 d2 in the university of west georgia...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on December 17, 2011, 01:58:37 PM
New look SU program. 

If you have not witnessed what Coach Pryor and staff has done with the kids that he has in the program, then you will see a considerable difference on how this program operates now.

This team is undersized but they sure do compete and run their offense very well.

It was a pleasure to watch them the other week and one could see that Coach Pryor has much structure and discipline injected into this program.

Give a Coach Pryor a couple-few seasons and it would not surprise me if he's able to rival what Coach Dean has done at EMU.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
the monarchs lost an 83-81 heartbreaker to mt. st. vincent today...with this schedule, they've GOT to win against the sub .500 teams when they get a chance to play them...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on December 29, 2011, 10:27:56 PM
Saw my first CNU game tonight in a while. Definitely was a tale of two halves as the Captains scored 33 in the first and 62 in the second in a win over Piedmont. The Lions led at the break and went away from playing a zone defense that stifled CNU in the opening stanza. This team will have some problems with anyone who has size inside. With Taylor and Benefield, they shouldnt have too much of a problem scoring. Look forward to seeing how they do come conference time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 04, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
SU gets a huge win 85-83 2OT win on the road at Averett.  It was SU's 3rd game in a row.

SU overcame an 11pt deficit with 5mins to go and had a shot to win it in regulation as well as the 1st OT if I recall accurately.

SU got a 81-77 win on Monday vs. a very tall Swarthmore (PA) team and lost an 8pt lead at the 5min mark vs. Kenyon (OH) to fall 66-63 in championship game of the Morris Cregger New Year's Day Classic in Roanoke.

Coach Pryor and staff has these young men playing a very disciplined controlled offense.  This team has no quit in them as they compete game in and game out. 

Keep it moving forward gentlemen!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on January 07, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
Wow. CNU over NCW 84-56 at Rocky Mount.
I never would have predicted that score!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 07, 2012, 10:16:37 PM
Watched a good game today between Ferrum and SU.  Ferrum is very, very athletic and SU competed their tails off but unfortunately the basketball did not bounce or roll SU's way too much today.  I am very impressed with the progression of SU's team and heard nothing but positive comments in the stands about the direction the program is headed.

QuoteJanuary 7, 2012

WINCHESTER, Va. - Visiting Ferrum College used a strong final push to down Shenandoah University 80-71 in USA South Conference men's basketball action Saturday afternoon at Shingleton Gymnasium.

With Shenandoah (3-11, 1-1 USA South) trailing 66-64 following a Dominic Chappell layup at the 4:36 mark, Ferrum (6-7, 1-1) answered by scoring 10 of the game's next 12 points in a span of 2:45.

The Panthers had total control of the contest from this point on; SU got no closer than four points the rest of way.

Junior Avery Green, who led all scorers with 26 points, cut that deficit to four points with his eighth and final field goal of the contest at the 3:02 mark.

Ferrum closed the game out on a 10-5 run.

The two teams traded the lead seven times and were tied on six other occasions. FC took the lead for good on a Marcus Mayo jumper with 11:23 remaining.

The Panthers largest lead, 11 points, came with 26 seconds to play in the first half and was fueled by an 11-2 run from the 4:19 to :10 seconds mark.

Green ended that run by canning a pair from the charity stripe. He finished 9 for 12 from the line.

Shenandoah outrebounded its opponent 32-30; this is just the second time all season that SU has won the battle of the glass.

Both teams shot 48 percent from the field - the Hornets were 25 for 52 and Ferrum 28 for 58.

Shenandoah hosts Marymount on Wednesday at 7 in its final non-league game of the season.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 07, 2012, 10:36:47 PM
wow...a season that started with a bit of promise has gone south quickly for the monarchs, with an 8th straight loss...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 09, 2012, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: narch on January 07, 2012, 10:36:47 PM
wow...a season that started with a bit of promise has gone south quickly for the monarchs, with an 8th straight loss...
Wow is right.  I didn't realize it was up to eight.  I just looked at Methodist's schedule - first CNU and then SU.  I see MU lost to CNU by five earlier and perhaps the Shenandoah game will be competitive as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 15, 2012, 02:15:38 PM
Not sure who could of beaten GB with those 1st half shooting percentages.


Quote
January 14, 2012

Greensboro Sizzles Over Men

56 - 40 = 96 ... Greensboro (10-5, 3-0)   
32 - 41 = 73 ... Shenandoah (3-13, 1-2)   

WINCHESTER, Va. - Visiting Greensboro College hit nearly every shot it attempted in a 96-73 USA South Conference men's basketball victory over Shenandoah Saturday afternoon.

Greensboro (10-5, 3-0 USA South) jumped out to an early 10-point lead and never looked back against Shenandoah (3-13, 1-2).

After Xavier Alston scored the initial bucket of the game for the Hornets 21 seconds into the contest, GC sandwiched a pair of TJ Holman free throws around two jumpers to take a lead it would not relinquish.

A 16-8 run from the 15:50 to 11:02 marks pushed the lead into double-digits for the Pride and SU was only able to cut it under 10 points on one occasion the rest of the way.

Freshman Ross Heyl drained a 3-pointer from the corner at 7:54 to make it 30-21 in favor of the visitors, but Greensboro scored the game's next 13 points to take a commanding 22-point lead.

Greensboro led 56-32 at the half, thanks to 62 percent (23 of 37) shooting from the field and a perfect 6 of 6 performance from the line.

The Pride, which led by at least 18 points the remainder of the contest, shot 17 of 33 (52 percent) after the break to coast home to the 23-point victory.

Holman led all scorers with 26 points while Brock Moorman had 16 andf Luqman Tijani 13.

Avery Green led 14, James Bowens 12 and Dominic Chappell 11 for the hosts.

GC also had a 42-26 advantage on the glass; the Pride had 24 second-chance points to the Hornets 9.

Shenandoah is back in action on Monday at 7:30 against Methodist.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 16, 2012, 10:04:18 PM
QuoteJanuary 16, 2012

WINCHESTER, Va. - Shenandoah University matched both its overall and conference win totals from last season with an 81-72 USA South Conference victory over Methodist Monday night.

The Hornets (4-13, 2-3 USA South) led from the midpoint of the first half, but had to withstand a big Methodist (3-13, 0-4) second half rally.

With Shenandoah taking its largest lead, 11 points, following a Nick Brown 3-pointer with 10:25 to play, MU scored the next nine points of the game in just 73 seconds to trail 60-58.

Fortunately for the home crowd, junior Dominic Chappell drained a 3-pointer of his own on the next SU trip down the floor and Methodist never seriously threatened again.

Chappell's '3', one of eight the victors had on the evening, ignited a 9-1 Shenandoah run over a span of 2:16.

From this point on, the Hornets lead remained at least five points.

Methodist cut its deficit to five points on two occasions in the final 3:11, the last 1:18 remaining, but James Bowens canned all four of his attempts from the charity stripe to seal the victory for the hosts.

Shenandoah earned the victory, its first in the past four games, despite being outrebounded 48-30.

SU forced 11 of the Monarchs 18 turnovers with steals and scored 30 points off of those Methodist miscues.

Thanks to its rebounding advantage, MU had 24 second-chance points to the Hornets 4.

Junior Avery Green led Shenandoah with 17 points while Bowens added 13 and Chappell 10.

James Whitehead and Bryan Hockaday both had double-doubles for the Monarchs. Whitehead had 18 points and 10 boards with Hockaday 12 points with 13 rebounds.

SU is back in action on Wednesday for a 7:30 USA South contest at Christopher Newport.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 18, 2012, 07:36:13 PM
CNU announcers made the comment that Rob Pryor applied for the CNU job when C.J. Woollum resigned.

So just wanted to extend a big thank you to Woollum and the CNU administrators for not selecting Coach Pryor!  :)

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 18, 2012, 08:20:01 PM
CNU 35 SU 28 at the 1/2

Watch the live video stream ... http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/cnu.portal#
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 18, 2012, 09:13:55 PM
the monarchs FINALLY get another win, taking down ferrum 73-63...i wasn't sure when that was going to happen again :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 18, 2012, 09:23:58 PM
CNU 77 SU 58 Final.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 18, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on January 15, 2012, 02:15:38 PM
Not sure who could of beaten GB with those 1st half shooting percentages.
Well, I'm "not sure who could have beaten GB with those 1st half shooting percentages," but they certainly played a great game versus SU.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Bob on January 20, 2012, 03:44:42 PM
The USAC's last two undefeated (in conference) teams will face off this weekend when CNU hits the road to take on Greensboro.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 24, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
the monarchs get win #5 on the season, beating gc in ot 84-81
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 25, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
the monarchs get win #5 on the season, beating gc in ot 84-81
Congratulations on the win, narch.  I could tell MU had potential when I saw them play at Guilford early in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 25, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 25, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
the monarchs get win #5 on the season, beating gc in ot 84-81
Congratulations on the win, narch.  I could tell MU had potential when I saw them play at Guilford early in the season.
i didn't do much to deserve the congrats, but i'm glad that the guys found a way to pull the game out...they tried to give it away, squandering a 15 point lead with under 15 minutes to play, but jernigan came up big in ot and put mu on his back - not surprising, as the senior has had some really nice games throughout his career vs. the pride - mu needed every one of his 28 points last night

i saw a lot of that same potential early, but unfortunately the monarchs have not played to the level of their talent, in my opinion - there is a missing ingredient, somewhere - whitehead, jernigan, hockaday, combs and stallings are all really talented players individually, but they haven't played consistently and they haven't won enough games - i really thought this team would be a 14+ game winner with the talent they have, and they're sitting at 14 losses right now

on the bright side, they are 4-1 at home and they played cnu very tough in the home loss...unfortunately, they only play 8 home games this year :P
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 26, 2012, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: narch on January 25, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 25, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: narch on January 24, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
the monarchs get win #5 on the season, beating gc in ot 84-81
Congratulations on the win, narch.  I could tell MU had potential when I saw them play at Guilford early in the season.
i didn't do much to deserve the congrats, but i'm glad that the guys found a way to pull the game out...they tried to give it away, squandering a 15 point lead with under 15 minutes to play, but jernigan came up big in ot and put mu on his back - not surprising, as the senior has had some really nice games throughout his career vs. the pride - mu needed every one of his 28 points last night

i saw a lot of that same potential early, but unfortunately the monarchs have not played to the level of their talent, in my opinion - there is a missing ingredient, somewhere - whitehead, jernigan, hockaday, combs and stallings are all really talented players individually, but they haven't played consistently and they haven't won enough games - i really thought this team would be a 14+ game winner with the talent they have, and they're sitting at 14 losses right now

on the bright side, they are 4-1 at home and they played cnu very tough in the home loss...unfortunately, they only play 8 home games this year :P
Well, fans deserve kudos for showing up and offering their financial support to the program.  :)  Sometimes, it takes a while for good athletes to mesh into a good team.  Good luck to the Monarchs down the stretch - maybe they can make some noise going into the tournament.  Your AD does need to work on the home schedule ... eight games is not enough.  With a couple of more teams joining the USASAC, that'll help guarantee more home games in 2012-13.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2012, 11:12:58 AM
When the Monarchs beat Maryville at Maryville a long time ago, I thought they were/would be better than they have been.  Maybe they have figured out how to put the parts together more consistently.  The too-few home games is a problem Maryville has had historically so maybe the "new" USASouth next year will help out on this issue.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on January 27, 2012, 05:25:24 PM
As it was said to me today, Methodist is one of the most athletic teams in the USA-South!  They are far better than their won/loss record.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 27, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
you know, i appreciate the love everyone is giving the monarchs...but they've still got 5 wins on the season...maybe they can reel off 9 straight to end the season at .500 (and in the ncaa tournament ;))
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 31, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: narch on January 27, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
you know, i appreciate the love everyone is giving the monarchs...but they've still got 5 wins on the season...maybe they can reel off 9 straight to end the season at .500 (and in the ncaa tournament ;))
It can happen - '83 NC State Wolfpack!  Won their last 10 - first team to win the NCAA championship with 10 losses.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 04, 2012, 09:28:59 PM
the monarchs stole one from su today, winning by 1 on a jernigan layup with 3 seconds left after trailing by double digits in the second half

mu improves to 6-1 at home...the fans who have only been to monarch home games must think the green & gold are world beaters
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 08, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
the race for the #3 seed (and, presumably, a first-round home contest in the tournament) should be interesting over the next few weeks - right now gc and ncwc are 4-4 in conference and mu is 4-5 - mu really controls their own destiny because they play both gc and ncwc - if the monarchs win out, they will control all tie-break scenarios with either team and both will be assured of having at least 5 losses - i don't think any team would be excited about the prospect of visiting the riddle center in the tournament (this is assuming that the conference is still having higher seeded teams host tournament games)

the monarchs could actually get the #2 seed by winning out since they already have one head-to-head win over fc - ferrum is at 6-4 right now, so if the monarchs win out, ferrum would have 5 conference losses, but mu would own a season sweep over fc and subsequent tie-break

the push for the #2 seed starts tonight for mu...a win at gc makes it possible, a loss makes it improbable that they will host a first-round game (although not impossible)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 08, 2012, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: narch on February 08, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
the race for the #3 seed (and, presumably, a first-round home contest in the tournament) should be interesting over the next few weeks - right now gc and ncwc are 4-4 in conference and mu is 4-5 - mu really controls their own destiny because they play both gc and ncwc - if the monarchs win out, they will control all tie-break scenarios with either team and both will be assured of having at least 5 losses - i don't think any team would be excited about the prospect of visiting the riddle center in the tournament (this is assuming that the conference is still having higher seeded teams host tournament games)

the monarchs could actually get the #2 seed by winning out since they already have one head-to-head win over fc - ferrum is at 6-4 right now, so if the monarchs win out, ferrum would have 5 conference losses, but mu would own a season sweep over fc and subsequent tie-break

the push for the #2 seed starts tonight for mu...a win at gc makes it possible, a loss makes it improbable that they will host a first-round game (although not impossible)
It's possible, but not probable, that I understand all the scenarios you just presented.  :) CNU's currently in first and Ferrum's in second. Right?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 08, 2012, 09:47:31 PM
'nova - it doesn't matter :) - gc gets an ot win over mu - the monarchs trailed by as much as 12 with around 12 minutes left to play, but gc was too much in ot
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 08, 2012, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: narch on February 08, 2012, 09:47:31 PM
'nova - it doesn't matter :) - gc gets an ot win over mu - the monarchs trailed by as much as 12 with around 12 minutes left to play, but gc was too much in ot
Yeah, I saw it went to OT.  Thanks for the update. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
mu knocks off ferrum to finish off the season sweep of the panthers...if only they had won in g'boro the other night...the mu ncwc game would be for the #2 seed - of course, if ncwc loses to mu AND ferrum, there is still an outside chance the monarchs could grab the 2 seed, but i don't want to confuse 'nova with too many numers...i know he's more of a wordsmith :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 12, 2012, 07:56:51 AM
Quote from: narch on February 11, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
mu knocks off ferrum to finish off the season sweep of the panthers...if only they had won in g'boro the other night...the mu ncwc game would be for the #2 seed - of course, if ncwc loses to mu AND ferrum, there is still an outside chance the monarchs could grab the 2 seed, but i don't want to confuse 'nova with too many numers...i know he's more of a wordsmith :)
Maybe I just use words to make people think I don't understand numbers.  :) 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
heading out to watch mu/ncwc and the last regular season home game for mu seniors (still a chance for mu to get a home tournament game) - i was looking at jernigan's career numbers, and he's had a nice run - 90+ starts and almost 15ppg career average (he should surpass 1,400 points tonight)...unfortunately, not enough wins, but a great career still - i hope i get to post about a monarch win later tonight :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 15, 2012, 11:02:30 PM
tough loss for the monarchs tonight...nwcw hit a 3 with 1.3 seconds left to get the 57-54 win - they really let this game slip through their grasp - hockaday and combs really struggled inside, missing at least 6 shots from within 6 feet...they appeared to be rushing, anticipating contact and block attempts - whitehead missed the game with an injury...would have been nice to have him on the floor, but kerr had a big night, hitting his first 5 trey's and finishing 5-6

earlier in the season, someone said that mu was the most athletic team in the conference....they clearly had not yet seen ncwc - that team is super athletic (as they always are)

i'm still amazed at how the monarchs failed to reach double digit victories this year...lots of talent there that just didn't mesh in time - now they need a run in the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 15, 2012, 11:29:45 PM
SU played a very good game and these young guys compete their butts off, their is no quit in them!



February 15, 2012

WINCHESTER, Va. - Christopher Newport University sandwiched a big rally around halftime Wednesday evening to key a 69-60 USA South Conference men's basketball victory over host Shenandoah.

Shenandoah (4-20, 2-9 USA South) led 30-24 at the break after holding a 10-point lead with 3:07 remaining in the first.

Unfortunately for the capacity crowd at Shingleton Gymnasium, the Captains (20-4, 11-0) refused to drop their sails.

CNU scored 11 of the game's next 13 points, cutting the deficit to one point by the 17:34 mark of the second.

The two teams traded buckets for the next two minutes before Christopher Newport seized control with a 6-0 run from the 15:49 to 14:23 marks.

Luc Atangana capped this run with a 3-point play and CNU had its first lead since the 15:08 mark of the first.

George Williams answered for the Hornets on the next trip down the floor, but this could prove to be the Hornets final lead of the evening.

Christopher Newport went on a 13-1 run over the next 3:52 and remained in the lead for the remainder of the contest.

Shenandoah continued to battle, cutting it to five points thanks to a pair of Xavier Alston free throws with 2:01 left, but could get no closer.

The Captains, who trailed on the glass 23-17 in the first half, ended the game with a 45-38 rebounding advantage.

CNU outscored the Hornets 23-6 in second chance points, including 16-2 in the second stanza.

Alston led the hosts with 14 points while Avery Green had 12 rebounds.

Conley Taylor had 19 points, Mike Cherry 18, Tra Benefield 11 and Atangana 10 for the Captains.

Shenandoah plays its final USA South Conference regular season game on Saturday at Greensboro. The game is scheduled for a 4:00 start and is the back-end of a doubleheader with the SU women.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2012, 01:25:17 PM
http://www.usasouth.net/general/2011-12/12cnuwithdrawl

...and the other shoe drops...i thought that might happen - watch for cnu to head to the cac
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 01:30:45 PM
Thought this would have happened years ago, to be honest.

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2012/02/cnu-withdraws-from-usac-for-cac
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
it will be interesting to watch this play out, but i imagine that the cac could make overtures to some of the regional teams which are associate football members of other conferences (stevenson, catholic, etc) to form a conference which has enough members for a football aq...

i'll say this...the cac just got better in every sport, and the usasac got worse...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Stevenson is going to the MAC in all sports. They are not an affiliate member going forward.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 16, 2012, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
Stevenson is going to the MAC in all sports. They are not an affiliate member going forward.
..doh...that blows that theory :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 16, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: narch on February 16, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
it will be interesting to watch this play out, but i imagine that the cac could make overtures to some of the regional teams which are associate football members of other conferences (stevenson, catholic, etc) to form a conference which has enough members for a football aq...

i'll say this...the cac just got better in every sport, and the usasac got worse...
quite a compliment NArch. Thanks. I'm gonna have to process this to grasp it. I like change overall.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 16, 2012, 11:01:44 PM
So does this open the possibility that Covenant or even Huntingdon could join the USASouth?  In men's basketball there could be divisions if there were 12 teams so travel could be less burdensome...where would #12 come from?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 20, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
congrats to the capts. on an undefeated regular season and #1 seed in the conference tourney...it's amazing, but that might be the most quiet 21-4 season i've ever experienced as a usasac fan, especially when the 4 losses were all to legit teams...vwc and rmc are both top 25 teams and mwc and st mary's, md are no slouches
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 21, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
SU wins!!!!
72-68 over NCW
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 21, 2012, 09:28:56 PM
mu finishes a 3 game sweep of ferrum on the season, winning 92-81 and get a trip to cnu as a reward - the monarchs have played the captains as close as anyone in the conference this season...could the third time be the charm for the green and gold?

au is currently leading gc 73-71 with 1:05 left...if they could hold on, that would mean the lower seed would win all three opening round games...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 21, 2012, 10:39:41 PM
QuoteFebruary 21, 2012

ROCKY MOUNT, N.C. – No. 7 Shenandoah University registered the biggest upset of the night with a 72-68 victory over second-seeded N.C. Wesleyan in the opening round of the USA South Conference men's basketball Tournament Tuesday night at Everett Gymnasium.

Shenandoah (5-21) snaps an eight-game losing streak with the victory over the Bishops (14-11).

The win is qualifies the Hornets for the tournament semi-finals for the 11th time in the 20 years that SU has been a member of the Dixie/USA South.

Shenandoah will face either No. 3 Greensboro or No. 6 Averett in the semis. If the game is at Greensboro, it will be a 7:30 start while the contest will start at 7 p.m. if it is played in Danville.

SU split with Averett during the regular season, with each winning on the other's home floor. GC swept the Hornets in 2011-12.

The Hornets, who had lost two games to N.C. Wesleyan this year when the Bishops made a pair of 20-point runs, traded the lead with NCWC 15 times and were tied on nine other occasions Tuesday night.

Shenandoah did not trail in the final three minutes, but the game was tied two more times before Avery Green gave SU the lead for good with his jumper at the 1:05 mark.

The Hornets then hit 5 of 6 from the line down the stretch, including 4 for 4 by Dominic Chappell, to ice the victory.

N.C. Wesleyan appeared to tie the game at 70-70 with 10 seconds remaining on Devin Nichols layup, but Nichols was called for a charge (his fifth foul) and the bucket was waved off.

Chappell then hit his final two free throws with seven seconds left to clinch the victory.

Green paced the victors with 20 points with George Williams adding 10 points off the bench.

Domarius Thomas had 19 for the Bishops.

Notes: Shenandoah outscored N.C. Wesleyan 28-18 in points off turnovers and 28-12 in bench points... This is the first time in three seasons that the Hornets have advanced to the semi-finals... SU is now 3-1 against NCWC in the USA South Tournament... The last time Shenandoah played in Rocky Mount as the No. 7 seed, in 1996, SU also registered an upset...

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Seatfiller on February 22, 2012, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on February 21, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
SU wins!!!!
72-68 over NCW


Good win for SU I've seen some of their games and they are a team that plays hard so I'm not suprised, if they get some bigs next year they could do some damage in the ODAC
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Will2Win on February 23, 2012, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: Seatfiller on February 22, 2012, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: D-BAT on February 21, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
SU wins!!!!
72-68 over NCW


Good win for SU I've seen some of their games and they are a team that plays hard so I'm not suprised, if they get some bigs next year they could do some damage in the ODAC

Lol, Not soo fast...ODAC bball is head and shoulders above USAS bball...it will take them a few years to really be competitive. Once Pryor sees what they need to succeed there, he'll get the players to SU that fit his system...that's when they'll be dangerous...next year=a bit premature.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: D-BAT on February 24, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
QuoteFebruary 24, 2012

GREENSBORO, N.C. – No. 3 Greensboro College ended Shenandoah University's run in the 2012 USA South men's basketball Tournament, and in the league itself, with a 94-82 semi-final round victory Friday night.

Greensboro (18-9) will play at No. 1 Christopher Newport on Sunday for the right to represent the USA South in the NCAA Tournament.

Shenandoah ends its first season under coach Rob Pryor with a 5-22 record. Friday's appearance in the league semi-finals was the Hornets 11th and final one in 20 years of Dixie/USA South membership. SU leaves the league this summer to join the Old Dominion Athletic Conference.

The Pride, which led 40-30 at the break, pulled away in the second thanks to an absolutely sizzling 21 of 27 (77.8 percent) shooting in the second.

SU, which shot an even 50 percent (30 for 60) for the game, made 60 percent of his attempts in the second stanza but could not keep up with its hosts.

With the Hornets leading 27-25 after an Avery Green jumper at the 4:01 mark of the first, Greensboro seized control of the contest by ending the half on a 15-3 run.

Shenandoah's lone bucket in the final four minutes was a Ross Heyl 3-pointer 57 seconds before the buzzer.

GC began the second on another run, this one 15-5 over just 3:41, and effectively clinched the victory.

However, the Hornets refused to fold their tents refused to fold their tents and scored 18 of the final 27 points of the contest.

Green led SU with 17 points, Xavier Alston added 15, James Bowens 12 and Heyl 11.

Luqman Tijani had a game-high 22 for the victors.

Shenandoah will announce its 2012-13 schedule in late March.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 24, 2012, 09:56:19 PM
whoa...serious second half run by cnu knocked the monarchs out...first half appeared to be a pretty tight contest, with mu leading briefly and trailing by 5 at the half - the first 6 minutes of the second half was more of the same, but the monarchs stayed stuck on 47 for a LONG time...every time i glanced at livestats, i was tempted to hit refresh until i realized that the captains score was changing - looking back at the box score, mu went over 6 minutes w/o a point, and cnu stretched an 8 point lead to 25...ouch

it appears that the captains are peaking at the right time
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 26, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
Narch,

CNU seems to be a second half team. They did it again tonight to win the conference. Down by 6 at the half. Then come out and they shoot 83% in the second half. Not a typo. 83%. It was fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2012, 08:13:44 AM
Quote from: CNU85 on February 26, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
Narch,

CNU seems to be a second half team. They did it again tonight to win the conference. Down by 6 at the half. Then come out and they shoot 83% in the second half. Not a typo. 83%. It was fun to watch.
clearly, cnu is changing the hoop at half-time, and enlarging the circle, since they shot 69% (82% from 3) in the second half vs. mu on friday - over 2 games, they shot .750 in the second half from the floor, including .785 from 3 - there is clearly something illegal about the rims...the ncaa should launch a full investigation :)

congrats to the capts on the conference championship - i hope they rep the usasac well
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 29, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
Narch,

It is the special CNU blue Gatorade they drink at half-time. Bahahahaha. Thanks for the kind words. I'm hoping to see CNU this weekend. Was going to go up Friday but too much going on. So, going to watch game on iPad. A win, and my wife and I hit the road either around 730 Friday night or we will go up Saturday morning. Been meaning to ask you- I lose track of time- did you get Masters Degree yet?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
What's Christopher Newport strength?
F&M plays a strong inside game with a pre-season All-American running the point.
On defense they play mostly man-to-man, leading the nation in defense at 55.4 points per game.  F&M ranks 10th in scoring margin.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 01, 2012, 09:21:33 PM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
What's Chrispher Newport strength?
F&M plays a strong inside game with a pre-season All-American running the point.
On defense they play mostly man-to-man, leading the nation in defense at 55.4 points per game.  F&M ranks 10th in scoring margin.
One of their key strengths might be spelling Christopher, but in basketball, I guess an additional "TO" would be considered a weakness.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
hasanove,
Sorry for the misspelling, just had eye surgery and can't read the small type easily.
I'll have my wife check this one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2012, 08:02:47 AM
Quote from: Reserved Seat on March 01, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
hasanove,
Sorry for the misspelling, just had eye surgery and can't read the small type easily.
I'll have my wife check this one.
Just messing with you, Reserved Seat.  Hope the eye surgery recovery goes well!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 02, 2012, 01:05:43 PM
CNU's strength is getting buckets in transition, whether off of steals or defensive rebounds.  Even though they're not big, they rebound well and play aggressive defense.  Also, if they get hot from 3 point range, they can fill it up in bunches.

GO CAPS!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Reserved Seat on March 02, 2012, 10:42:55 PM
CNU had no answer for Brooks(Western Connecticut) who lit up the scoreboard for 45 points in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on March 16, 2012, 11:16:27 PM
Congrats to Conley Taylor. Named all-American by NABC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose_13 on April 04, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
It's officially official, CNU to the CAC beginning fall of 2013.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 30, 2012, 04:22:02 PM
Maryville has some new people coming in and some good ones coming back, so be forewarned.  As usual, you can tell from what Coach Lambert says which young men he thinks will contribute right away, and it seems several of these are likely to.

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4375/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4376/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4377/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4378/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4379/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4380/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4382/

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4381/

and this was from a few weeks ago:

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/general/news/details/4311/

In addition, the Scots will have a transfer at power forward who played for Assistant Coach Placeres in high school.  People who have seen him play say he is very good and will play immediately.

Heads up, USASouth!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on May 11, 2012, 10:54:11 AM
As always Coach Lambert and staff continue to recruit Georgia well.IMO this will have to be one of the first challenges the new Piedmont coach must address.Finding a way to keep more of these athletes in state.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 31, 2012, 12:10:39 PM
Hope you don't mind a break in the action, as it were, but I want to share a story the D3 community should know about. You actually may have seen the story on the front page of D3hoops.com, but just in case:

A Goucher basketball player has been paralyzed in a freak accident. He was wrestling around with a friend one morning in his dorm building when he landed on his neck. The entire story is here (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/05/goucher-player-paralyzed).

He was released from the hospital to the Kennedy Krieger Institute for rehab shortly after that article was posted last week. However, over the weekend he was sent back to the hospital when he apparently had trouble breathing. Now he awaits a return to the rehab facility, probably any day if he hasn't been released already.

Please keep Damone Brooks, his family, the Goucher basketball team(s), and Goucher community in your thoughts, hearts, and prayers. The family certainly needs help with medical bills as well, so if you feel inclined, please consider them as well.

To follow his progress online, click here (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/damonebrooks).
And to consider a donation, click here (http://www.helphopelive.org/find-a-patient/profile/index.cfm/patient/FE0B84F4-C845-2122-B07EA3093EFAF336).

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 01, 2012, 10:08:28 AM
Thanks for reminding us of the relative importance of things.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on June 12, 2012, 11:18:33 AM
Piedmont gets new coach.http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2012/6/12/MBB_0612124132.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: coachwgh on August 13, 2012, 12:18:44 PM
I just saw the 12-13 bball schedules up for LaGrange men/women. No traditional dbl headers to speak of. I hope this USAS thing works out better than the first year schedules did....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on August 20, 2012, 08:34:31 PM
Some of you may already know about this. I thought I would pass along the very sad news about former CNU coach and AD...CJ Woollum. I made sure I had permission from CNU before posting this. I am also posting a link for anyone who wishes to sign his guestbook. From the website Caringbridge.com I quote.....

"On July 23rd doctors found a tumor in CJ's brain. It was later identified as glioblastom​​a multiforme - an aggressive type of brain cancer. Surgery was completed on July 27th to remove the bulk of the tumor." A subsequent journal post indicates that CJ is now in rehab.

There is not enough room on this board to post all the accomplishments of Coach Woollum. Over 500 wins in 26 seasons. Numerous All-Americans. A player drafted by the NBA. Golf Coach. Mentor to the entire CNU Athletic department. CNU athletics grew to national recognition in just about every sport under his guidance.

Please take a moment to pray for Coach Woollum and his family!

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/cjwoollum (http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/cjwoollum)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on August 22, 2012, 10:48:32 AM
Recruiting alert:  Maryville adds to a really good class

http://www.maryvillecollege.edu/athletics/sport/mens-basketball/news/details/4433/

Ready, Narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 23, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
CNU - some sad news to be sure... I wish coach the very best and hope for the best possible outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 23, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 23, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
CNU - some sad news to be sure... I wish coach the very best and hope for the best possible outcome.
I echo Dave's message.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on September 26, 2012, 11:37:33 AM
Basketball is almost here!! Got to love this time of the year. Football in full swing and basketball around the corner. I really enjoy message boards. My son plays on one of the conference teams but until he performs I will not boast as a proud parent!!jk

Looks like the league has taken form and will have some quality teams come in from the GSAC conference. A much improved Lagrange who looks to have everyone back from last years team and a solid recruiting class.A player to look out for seems to be the Anderson kid. Had a great year in 2011. Piedmont has a new coach and we all know what that can do to a program, it can be very good or very bad. Lastly Maryville, the powerhouse of the GSAC. I was astonished at the amount of tournament appearances by the Scots. A total of (18)! Very refreshing to see a Coach be at one school for so long and attain so much success. Reading some of the articles and roster it looks like Maryville has a very talented  but young team. I also noticed they have a Div I transfer. That certainly helps.

Now to our USA south teams!! Ferrum lost a lot from last years team. Graduated 5 seniors. NC Wesleyan also graduated some very good players, but never underestimate good coaching! Methodist and Greensboro seem to have most of their team back and from seeing these teams play last year they are contenders.Watch out for Greensboro ;) Lastly the beasts of Christopher Newport. Also a very impressive program! Went undefeated in league play last year but graduated their best player. Traditionally always seem to reload and never rebuild.
  With the additions of two other teams in 2013 the conference seems to be taking a turn for the better.  Any predictions??
Here are my predictions:
1- Christopher Newport
2- Maryville
3- Greensboro
4- Methodist
5- NC Wesleyan
6- Lagrange
7-Ferrum
8- Piedmont
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 28, 2012, 10:57:09 AM
Maryville has the talent, depth, and size to be really good, but as JRitt notes, much of that talent is first and second year players.  Lots of travel is required for the league schedule this year and it will be a challenge especially for the freshmen.  So will figuring out which players work best together.

I would not be surprised if LaGrange exceeds JRitt's prediction.

Maryville is glad to be in a conference that allows the Scots to build a balanced schedule and compete for an automatic qualification to the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: USA South Dad on September 30, 2012, 08:06:20 AM
I also have a son but will stay anonymous for his sake. We are excited about the start of the season!

Predictions:
1 - Christopher Newport - dominant last year and will be dominant again this year.  The CNU and Maryville games should be classic.  I think they lose only once (to Maryville) in the conference this year and play in the NCAA Tournament again.  Two USA South teams in the field of 64?  Yes!
2- Maryville - Coach Lambert has them in the NCAA Tournament year after year.  I think both CNU and Maryville will play in March Madness again this year.  Tons of talent.  Young talent but outstanding. I see 2 losses in league play for Maryville but still make the NCAA Tournament. 
3 - NC Wesleyan.  I am putting them here simply based on coaching.  Graduated some outstanding players but have more in the wings waiting for their chance this year. This team always seems to be good.
4 - Greensboro - return 2 of their top 3 scorers from an 18 win season.  Look for The Pride to be very good this year.
5 - Methodist - a lot of returning talent and they are big, strong, and athletic. However, that talent only won 9 games last year.  They have to take a big step this year to get in the top half of the league.
6 - LaGrange - The Panthers have 5 transfers and 8 freshmen added to their team that went 6-2 in the Great South last year.  They could make some noise and challenge for the top half of the league.
7 - Ferrum - the Panthers went 13-13 a year ago and have the ability to surprise some of the teams picked 3 through 6 in league play.  They dont seem to have enough depth and talent to compete at the top of the league this year.
8 - Piedmont - an easy pick for the cellar.  The Lions have a new coach.  Piedmont had very little talent on a team that won only 7 games last year.  It will be worse this year. I see the Lions winning no more than 2 conference games, if they are lucky. 



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
Welcome to the boards, USA South Dad.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: USA South Dad on September 30, 2012, 10:33:39 PM
I only ranked the teams JRitt listed.  I missed Averett.  Do over.

I also have a son but will stay anonymous for his sake. We are excited about the start of the season!

Predictions:
1 - Christopher Newport - dominant last year and will be dominant again this year.  The CNU and Maryville games should be classic.  I think they lose only once (to Maryville) in the conference this year and play in the NCAA Tournament again.  Two USA South teams in the field of 64?  Yes!
2- Maryville - Coach Lambert has them in the NCAA Tournament year after year.  I think both CNU and Maryville will play in March Madness again this year.  Tons of talent.  Young talent but outstanding. I see 2 losses in league play for Maryville but still make the NCAA Tournament. 
3 - NC Wesleyan.  I am putting them here simply based on coaching.  Graduated some outstanding players but have more in the wings waiting for their chance this year. This team always seems to be good.
4 - Greensboro - return 2 of their top 3 scorers from an 18 win season.  Look for The Pride to be very good this year.
5 - Methodist - a lot of returning talent and they are big, strong, and athletic. However, that talent only won 9 games last year.  They have to take a big step this year to get in the top half of the league.
6 - LaGrange - The Panthers have 5 transfers and 8 freshmen added to their team that went 6-2 in the Great South last year.  They could make some noise and challenge for the top half of the league.
7 - Ferrum - the Panthers went 13-13 a year ago and have the ability to surprise some of the teams picked 3 through 6 in league play.  They dont seem to have enough depth and talent to compete at the top of the league this year.
8 - Averett - a tough year last year but they will be improved this year.  They are very similar to LaGrange and Ferrum and could work their way up to 6th in the league if all goes well. 
9 - Piedmont - an easy pick for the cellar.  The Lions have a new coach.  Piedmont had very little talent on a team that won only 7 games last year.  It will be worse this year. I see the Lions winning no more than 2 conference games, if they are lucky.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 02, 2012, 12:21:57 PM
USA South Dad,
I apologize for leaving out Averett. I pretty much agree with your assessment of all the teams. Greensboro is a team to look out for! This should be a very competitive league.. Any anticipation on seeing any of these teams ranked in the pre-season Top 25??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 02, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
This league has a way to go to get national respectability.  Not many USASouth teams have made an impact.  Maryville has been to the tournament many times but not won more than it has lost, and it has gotten into the tournament as a "B," which many national fans (probably accurately) think of as weak.  So, this would be a great time to start a different story line, beginning with getting two USASouth teams into the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 03, 2012, 01:45:07 PM
I agree with that statement. Just read where CNU will leave the conference next year. They have replaced CNU with Huntingdon and Covenant. I still believe it will be an interesting conference. Competitive from top to bottom.

When does D3hoops come out with the Top 25?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 03, 2012, 01:56:35 PM
No specific time on the Pre-Season poll. Usually in the later half of October...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 03, 2012, 02:01:59 PM
Appreciate the information~
D-Mac any predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 03, 2012, 03:13:30 PM
Ha... the preseason poll has got to be one of the toughest to put together for all the voters and probably where you see the most parity/disagreement amoungst the voters.

However, I will say I suspect the ODAC will have two teams in the poll with VA Wesleyan maybe in the Top 5; I don't think the defending champions or three of the four finalists will NOT be in the Top 5 or even the Top 10; where MIT gets slotted will really be interesting (they return a LOT from last year's squad); I think a few newcomers make appearances; I suspect teams that finished very high in the final poll will be further down or out of the poll; I don't know if any USA South schools garner any votes (without looking into the details of Chris. Newport or the rest); and the Mid-Atlantic maybe the surprise region with a few teams getting Top 25 love from voters.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: the rock on October 03, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
I also am new to the board. Look forward to good conversation and a convenient way to keep up with all USA South teams. I am excited to see the "new look" with the addition of the new schools. Looking forward to Oct. 15th and the start of practice.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 08, 2012, 11:54:06 AM
Here are some links to the 2012-2013 recruiting efforts, of the conference teams:
Thought some of you might like this.

LaGrange: http://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20120809cgafom

Maryville: http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Fresh-faces-key-as-MC-hoops-enters-new-era-id-024824

Averett: http://www.averettcougars.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball&

CNU: http://www.cnusports.com/news/2012/7/20/MBB_0720122836.aspx?path=mbball


Methodist, Piedmont, Greensboro, NC Wesleyan and Ferrum have not posted any news or rosters for this upcoming season.

Will be posting up schedules shortly for each team, Would like to know who has toughest schedule?



Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 08, 2012, 12:01:03 PM
Schedules in the USA South:

NC Wesleyan:http://www.ncwcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule

Piedmont:http://www.piedmontlions.com/schedule.aspx?tab=schedule2&path=mbball

LaGrange:http://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule

Maryville:http://mcscots.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule

CNU:http://www.cnusports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&

Ferrum:http://www.ferrumpanthers.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&

Averett:http://www.averettcougars.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball&

Greensboro: http://www.greensborocollegesports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/schedule

Methodist: http://www.mumonarchs.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

What are your thoughts on the SOS for each team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: FanJacket on October 08, 2012, 02:06:12 PM
Regarding SOS...one has to admire CNU's out of conference schedule...starting with RMC and Eastern Mennonite early and then Virginia Weslyan in Feb...along with St Mary's...also could get nice match ups in their tournaments.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 09, 2012, 05:52:57 PM
Posts #5180 and 5187 (back a page in this thread) link to more info about Maryville's class than is in the link above.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 11, 2012, 10:31:52 AM
Scottie Doug,

Good post! Are you a Maryville fan? If you are what do you think of their upcoming team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 12, 2012, 09:41:37 AM
yes and they have a chance to be very good...better than usual...with the caveat that they are young
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 13, 2012, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: FanJacket on October 08, 2012, 02:06:12 PM
Regarding SOS...one has to admire CNU's out of conference schedule...starting with RMC and Eastern Mennonite early and then Virginia Weslyan in Feb...along with St Mary's...also could get nice match ups in their tournaments.

what's a guy doing in saddle brook nj looking at cnu schedule????  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on October 17, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
USA South preseason poll:http://www.usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20121017heowj0
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 17, 2012, 04:35:02 PM
The Preseason Top 25 is out: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason (http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/preseason)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 17, 2012, 08:19:33 PM
Nice article on the USASouth website.  Maryville looks to make an immediate impact?  HMM they have been to the NCAA tourney like 14 out of the past 15 years with numerous all americans and all south performers and they will look to make an impact????

Listen up all you USA South groupies and gold diggers, the Scots came to win this thing and while they are young, they return 3 starters and a couple other key contributors with NCAA Tournament experience.  I am glad they joined the USA South along with Lagrange and Piedmont, but let's be honest, they are a men's basketball school.  Just get ready b/c they bring a lot of talent and rowdy fans who love message boards.

Also, I noticed the USASC got zero love in the TOP 25.  Well as a long time Murvul Fan, I can say who cares about the preseason poll.  You have to make the NCAA tournament for a shot at the TITLE.

The Grubby One is back and on a new message board.  Deal with it!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 18, 2012, 12:07:14 AM
Christopher Newport had 39 points... that is an average of 24th or so on every voters ballot... not sure I would call that not getting any love in the Top 25. 50 teams got at least one vote... which is par for the preseason ballot... so to get 39 is respectable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 18, 2012, 09:37:33 AM
Some of our predictions were pretty much on par with the Pre Season conference poll. CNU and Maryville at the top with Greensboro and Lagrange making a push. North Carolina Wesleyan and Methodist can become a threat! Piedmont by far is the worst team in the league.

I can't imagine at the the Div III level it being easy to do a Pre-Season national poll but like Mattgrubb said who cares about the preseason. Less than a month away for some of these teams to get it going. Should be a fun year!!!

Mattgrubb we look forward to our visit to "Murvul"! Lets us know if you decide on coming to Pride country! You guys have an excellent tradition. I saw in one of your newsletters on your website, it said  that the Scots in the decade of 2000s are in the Top 10 in wins and winning percentage! Speaks volumes when there are over 400 Div III schools.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 18, 2012, 02:01:54 PM
Clearly things will be ok for the Scots now that the Grubby One is back on the board.  Lots of good players and coaches are useful, but this is special.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: the rock on October 18, 2012, 02:44:35 PM
The pre-season poll is about right. CNU is tough as is Maryville. I do not think the regular season champ will go unscathed though. I haven't seen rosters posted for alot of the schools but CNU dodged a lot of bullets last year during the regular season. Several of the USA South teams match up favorably with them. It will be an interesting year and I look forward to attending games at all the colleges and universities.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on October 22, 2012, 11:36:33 AM
This new feature by D3hoops is awesome!!! You can look at every conference in the country and see there overall success since 2000. Being that my son's team is in the South Region here are some interesting facts I found within our USA South conference and the South Region:

CNU and Maryville each have 18 NCAA Tournament Appearances most of any team in the South Region.

Maryville has won the 3rd highest amount of NCAA tournament games only behind Virginia Wesleyan and Hampden Sydney.

CNU has won 6 USA South Championships, Averett 3, Methodist 2, and NC Wesleyan 2 since 2000.

Maryville won 9 GSAC Championships.. Piedmont and Lagrange are the only teams in this new conference without a Conference Championship or NCAA tournament Appearance.

Hope all of you check out this new feature. Thank you d3hoops.com
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 25, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
Wow - just looked at the schedule. I know it is only an exibition game against D1 Hampton U - but it is a game and it is on Nov 5th! The season is just about here!!!!

yikes- then a game vs RMC!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 26, 2012, 09:29:05 AM
CNU should do very well against Hampton.  Doubt they get the win, but I certainly would not count out a quality D3 team against a low D1.  I hope they do it and it is almost that time!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on October 31, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
LAst year's game was entertaining. Will have to miss this year's game....class starts the same time as tip off. I could always move class to the Freeman!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 01, 2012, 03:06:31 PM
moving class to the freeman only sounds logical and rational.  think of it as an attention to detail and focus exercise.  The students will be responsible for both the info taught in class and the game.  I would call it real world immersion.
I really hope they win this game!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on November 05, 2012, 10:08:11 AM
Any comments on any of the scrimmages and or exhibition games?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: FanJacket on November 06, 2012, 02:47:14 PM
RMC/Richmond exhibition...
http://www.mechlocal.com/index.php/sports/article/yellow_jackets_exhibit_strength_against_spiders/8330/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 06, 2012, 03:37:35 PM
Quote from: JRitt on November 05, 2012, 10:08:11 AM
Any comments on any of the scrimmages and or exhibition games?

I only caught last 13 minutes of game against Hampton U. CNU looked good to me. Meredith seemed quicker and drove the lane well. I remember first time I saw himin a CNU uniform, I thought that maybe the college game was too quick for him. But he has progressed nicely and really impressed last night. Cherry, Biberaj, Benefield....all impressed me. A few new guys also seemed like they are poised to make an impact. But then again, I only saw the last 13 minutes. At one point CNU pulled ot 58-50. The real test is against RMC on the 15th!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on November 13, 2012, 09:07:15 AM
Christopher Newport seems to be ready to have a good year. They looked good vs Hampton. Averett, Greensboro, Piedmont and NC Wesleyan lost their Div I games by large amounts. Our Pride looked well at times but the Division I athleticism got to us. Looking forward to playing our level of competition.

Don't think any of the other USA South teams played against Div I teams. Spoke to a friend who son attends Transylvania and he said they lost vs Maryvillle in the scrimmage they had against them. He said Maryville looks to have a lot of depth and talent. MattGrubb any truth to this??

Can't wait for the season to start! It is here.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 13, 2012, 11:00:36 AM
I'd never dare speak for the Grubby One, but the answer to JRitt's question is yes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 13, 2012, 09:59:07 PM
mu falls 87-51 to d1 east carolina - hockaday goes for 15/10 in 26 minutes - the pirates played 5 guys more than 20 minutes, including 3 starters who played 25+ while mu gave 9 players double digit minutes and experience playing a d1 foe...13 monarchs played and all got 7 minutes or more - no other monarch reached double figures scoring or rebounding - freshman tabias hilliard was the only newcomer in the starting lineup and had a 4 assist, 0 turnover night with 2 steals and he was 1-1 from the floor...looks like a true pg per the stat line
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 14, 2012, 06:25:21 PM
yea maryville is deep with talent, but talent and experience or results.  MC is tough, physical, and deep but they have one senior, one junior and a bunch of underclassmen.  They have a lot of work to do and a lot of potential.  hopefully we aren't talking potential in march
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Bob on November 15, 2012, 02:37:27 PM
Here's a great blog post from the CNU coaches about getting ready for the season:

http://cnusports.com/news/2012/11/14/MBB_1114122137.aspx

I'm excited for the season opener tonight against R-MC, it should be a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 15, 2012, 10:47:19 PM
Nice win for Captains tonight over #24 RMC. Gotta love it!! 77-70.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 15, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Maryville wins opener vs. Centre, 60-50.  Coach Lambert had said in the newspaper that the young Scots had figured out how to play defense but not so much offense.  He was right.  Tough defensive game.  Nice start.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 16, 2012, 01:16:48 PM
good wins for m'ville and cnu...bad loss for mu (91-74) to lynchburg...could be a long season for the green & gold...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 16, 2012, 11:08:07 PM
William Peace got its first men's victory tonight.  The Pacers beat the Johnson & Wales (NC) Wildcats 77-74 in a tournament at Guilford after trailing 42-27 at the half.  WPU will face GCQ tomorrow and J&W will face Southern Virginia after the Knights dropped a 71-67 game to the Quakers in the nightcap.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 17, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Interesting Hasanova....keep us posted. Shouldn't J&W be called the Chefs?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 18, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
I've discovered film of Narch playing hoops. He was a rebounding MACHINE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2012, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 18, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
I've discovered film of Narch playing hoops. He was a rebounding MACHINE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc)
I saw this earlier.  Narch does, however, need to work on his lay-up drills.  :)  Nice intentional foul on his teammate as well.  lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2012, 05:24:11 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 17, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Interesting Hasanova....keep us posted. Shouldn't J&W be called the Chefs?
I would go with Chefs also.  :)  Reality hit the 1st year Pacers yesterday, however, as some ODAC team called the Quakers creamed WPU, 93-56.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 18, 2012, 06:39:01 PM
hate to say it that the CNU win looked great the other day but not so great now that RMC is 0-3.  Dont want to knock CNU just wish RMC was better so we could get a true measure of how good CNU is. 

Murvul dominated Centre.  They were just too big.  For the first time in a long time, MC has some size and size matters.

The scots take on Johnson University, a bible school, Monday Night.  I am planning on being there.  It better be worth my time or I will have to use my kids as an excuse to not attend the games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 18, 2012, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 18, 2012, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 18, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
I've discovered film of Narch playing hoops. He was a rebounding MACHINE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc)
I saw this earlier.  Narch does, however, need to work on his lay-up drills.  :)  Nice intentional foul on his teammate as well.  lol
i missed those intentionally...belgian contracts have huge escalator clauses when you get to 8 rebounds...in that particular game i was sitting on 4 with just a few minutes remaining, so i had to get mine - spent the bonus in a good brewhaus :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2012, 07:56:07 AM
Quote from: narch on November 18, 2012, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: hasanova on November 18, 2012, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: CNU85 on November 18, 2012, 09:52:29 AM
I've discovered film of Narch playing hoops. He was a rebounding MACHINE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjY9u_SQyc)
I saw this earlier.  Narch does, however, need to work on his lay-up drills.  :)  Nice intentional foul on his teammate as well.  lol
i missed those intentionally...belgian contracts have huge escalator clauses when you get to 8 rebounds...in that particular game i was sitting on 4 with just a few minutes remaining, so i had to get mine - spent the bonus in a good brewhaus :)
narch got hops!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 20, 2012, 09:22:35 PM
CNU with a big win on the road against next year conference opponent Salisbury. SU was 3-0. CNU went up 44-19 at the half. then hung on to win 77-63. Lots of play from the bench. Biberaj took a night off. Looking gooooood!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on November 24, 2012, 08:40:02 PM
Went to the CNU/Wesley game tonight. The Captains missed Tre Benefield as they struggled big time at the offensive end. I didnt think either team would come close to 60 points if it wasnt for the fact they played four overtimes. Great game to watch as a fan with all the free basketball we got to see. I didnt get to catch the first game but I heard John Carroll is extremely good as they have been in the past. Hopefully Tre will be back for tomorrow's championship game. CNU couldnt get it going on offense and seem all out of sorts without their leader. I saw the VA Wesleyan coaches sitting in the stands taking in the game. Hoping they didnt realize someone was missing, doubting it but I can dream!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
well, murvul played the kind of weekend that was awesome in the mid 90's, no one really posted a lot of d3 bball stuff on the internet so you could just act like that weekend never happened, then win your home games and your peers thought you were awesome.  You know, back when D3hoops.com had a parkway background.  Ahh, back when I was skinny and there were college girls everywhere.

Well, it ain't the 90's anymore and the scots got punched in the mouth.  Unfortunately, I have already made plans to attend the CNU game next saturday but I may use my child as an excuse to not show up.  Also, I can just go watch Cuonzo's crew at UT.  I may use next saturday to reorganize my closet as opposed to watch the effort from this weekend.

The silver lining here is that Coach Lambert will not let them forget this weekend as some of them will here about it for another 4 years, yea thats gonna suck, but he will use it to humble them and get them headed on the right track.  Looks like Shoffner had a nice game today.  He is my favorite player since Timmy Blakeley, but still no Timmy Blakeley.

I look forward to seeing their frame of mind and effort after a week with Randy.  I know how the routine is going down at the Lambert household tonight.  Hopefully this will be a good lesson for a very young but talented team and they will learn what it takes to excel at the D3 level and it is a lot more than just talent.  The downside to losing to Emory is that those kids are smarter than the Murvul kids and when they beat you at basketball it just means their entire lives are better than yours.  yea, it sux.

I bet Coaches Bowers and Placeres were trying to sneak out of the gym with 10 mins left in the game and act like they were just fans and not affiliated with anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 27, 2012, 08:56:58 PM
Yeah.  Getting clobbered early, twice, no less, is a hard way to learn but Coach Lambert has seen this movie before.  I'm hoping the Scots are up for learning...after all, it is college.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on November 29, 2012, 06:05:56 PM
CNU coach is on hoopsville tonight at 8.

Captains ranked #18 in current poll and Mike Cherry made d3hoops team of the week. 

Happy Days!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 01, 2012, 05:39:42 PM
CNU looked pretty good in beating Maryville handily this afternoon.  MC's shooting percentages were nowhere near good enough and CNU's 4 scorers did so.  Scots outrebounded the Captains but could not score even with good looks.  CNU's future looks good since the most impressive players are all underclassmen.  They seemed well coached and worked hard. 

Maryville will be better later this season.  Unfortunately, CNU probably will be also.

.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 03, 2012, 07:46:59 PM
Scots up 7 at the half at Berry

I need more cowbell
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 04, 2012, 06:55:57 PM
CNU moved up in the top 25 to 15.  I like that for them.  They are a little undersized to be ranked much higher but they are a dang good basketball team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 05, 2012, 10:23:26 PM
Final Guilford 80, Greensboro 61

A strong inside game and three point shooting propel the Quakers over Greensboro tonight, 80-61.  Guilford essentially put it away in the first half pushing out to a 45-27 advantage.  Quakes dominated the boards 49-28 and shot 9 of 17 beyond the arc.  Five Quakers in double figures led by freshman Zeb Richardson's 16 off the bench.  He has great hands and finished 8 of 11 from the field.  Greensboro was led by Luqman Tijani's 18.

GCQ improves to 5-1 while GCP falls to 3-3.  Let's go "fishing" this weekend at VWC and see what happens!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 09, 2012, 09:44:56 PM
The baby scots won a nice one today.  Brandon Givens is a beast and without a doubt the best player in the USASouth.  The baby scots finally shot the ball well.  They played hard and rebounded well.  A lot of things went their way today and they needed the breaks.  NCWC is a good team. 

Cant wait for the Lagrange game.  I always have mixed emotions. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 09, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
I agree that Givens is quite the force!  I hope the grubby one is right that he is the best player in the league.  Some of the baby scots did really well today.  Jaumonee Byrd, for instance.  He is fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on December 10, 2012, 11:04:46 AM
Great win for our Pride last night. A nice come from behind win. From observing the teams in the league it seems to me that this years version of the USA South is much deeper. I believe the league will get 2 teams in the NCAA Tournament.

Top teams are  CNU, Maryville, Lagrange, and NC Wesleyan.They could finish in any order 1-4 in my opinion. The rest 5-9 is also up in the air. I think our Pride has the ability but has not given a consistent effort defensively to be considered with the Top 4.

Givens kid from NC Wesleyan is putting up some huge numbers. Just from reading box scores and game summaries it seems that their is some unbelievable young talent in the league.

Happy holidays to the student athletes as they have some rest before the going gets tough in the conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 10, 2012, 03:59:37 PM
Somebody did not get the memo about taking a break until the hard part starts.  Maryville is at LaGrange Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 10, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
Link to Maryville Times article about the MC-NCW game:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Byrd-leads-55-point-effort-from-MC-bench-id-030693
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 12, 2012, 03:41:16 PM
 Scotty, being a Piedmont fan I have failed to see the easy part. It doesn't feel right for Murville and LaGrange to be playing this early.Should be a great game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 14, 2012, 11:13:35 AM
I am excited about this weekend.  The disciple of defense and maker of men against the old ball coach.  Lagrange will be intense and play hard.  Murvul will be calculated and methodical.  My two favorite coaches going head to head and those are some big domes. 

Right now I am predicting a murvul victory by 2 which is basically a push if anyone wants a piece of that action let me know.  I think Bowers and Placeres tip the scales to the scots, but Wallace will have some tricks up his sleeve.

I do think that Murvul and CNU are the 2 best teams in the league, but I think NCWC and LC will be the 2 toughtest teams to face in the conference tourney.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Captain Bob on December 15, 2012, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 14, 2012, 11:13:35 AM
I do think that Murvul and CNU are the 2 best teams in the league, but I think NCWC and LC will be the 2 toughtest teams to face in the conference tourney.

Two weeks ago, CNU beat M'ville by 17 points in their building and it didn't seem like a fluke.  Do you think the result will be much different when we play at home?

I don't mean to say that Maryville isn't a good team, but it seems a bit strange to put them on equal footing at the top of the conference so quickly after a double-digit head-to-head loss.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 15, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
yes, but Murvul is a young team with a lot of talent and a great coach.  There is a big difference in early December and Late February.

Obviously, there will be lumps along the way, like today with the loss to LC.  Lambert will have it figured out by January.  Before christmas does not mean a lot b/c the xmas break can be monstrous for teams...good or bad.  Lambert runs a complex motion that usually takes 2 full seasons to learn.  These sophs will be ready by Feb and the freshman will be serviceable by Feb.  This conversation would be different if Murvul was a bunch of upperclassmen. 

Congrats to Coach Wallace.  I know he likes this win.  He has a talented hard nosed team.  He has turned Lagrange into a tough place to play.  This looks like it good turn into a good conference season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 15, 2012, 06:55:38 PM
Final Guilford 80, NC Wesleyan 64

Close at the half with Guilford holding a 37-35 lead, but the Quakes pulled away in the second half for the win.  NCWC is a good team, but they got beat on the boards today.

Guilford's 6-2 and NCWC's now 7-2.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 16, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
CNU played quite a few underclassmen when they spanked Murvul.  I agree with The Grubby One, who should know, that Coach Lambert will field a much better team later.  Maybe CNU will, too.  It should be interesting!  When does CNU "get" to go to LaGrange? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2012, 07:05:51 PM
CNU is really nice at the 1,2,4, and 5 position so nice in fact that it is hard to get other guys lots of experience b/c they guys are so good.  Right now Murvul certainly does not have that problem. Hopefully Murvul will have that problem soon.

The scots are 4-4 and lost by 23 at lagrange.  i didn't know it was possible to lose at lagrange.  I sure hope Coach Wallace gets some consideration for the top 25 with his record.  What is up with his 2 players who did not play on Saturday?  Will they be back?

The scots have a lot of work to do the rest of the season.  A lot.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 17, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 09, 2012, 09:44:56 PMBrandon Givens is a beast and without a doubt the best player in the USASouth. 
roanoke bible has him figured out :)...held him to 14 and 13 on 10-25 shooting - nobody else has held him under 26

he seems to be a legit baller who has come out of nowhere...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2012, 10:48:54 AM
narch, are you going to the Guilford at Methodist game on January 2?  It starts at 5, but I'm considering leaving work early to go.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2012, 01:44:04 PM
Piedmont suspended its season!  Front-page news.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/12/piedmont-cancels-remainder-of-mens-basketball-season
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2012, 04:57:03 PM
I just read the Piedmont news - too bad for them and the USASAC.  Leaves open dates on their opponents' schedules as well.  It's not a good start for the Lions!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2012, 05:45:36 PM
A point of clarification...

If the Piedmont players do not play in the Spring semester of 2012-13, do they preserve a semester of eligibility?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 28, 2012, 06:05:23 PM
Guilford over Maryville today in Tennessee, 73-63, with Josh Pittman scoring 18.

Quakers improve to 8-2 and Scots fall to 4-5.  Guilford faces 6-2 Birmingham-Southern tomorrow and Maryville plays B-SC on Sunday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 28, 2012, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2012, 01:44:04 PM
Piedmont suspended its season!  Front-page news.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/12/piedmont-cancels-remainder-of-mens-basketball-season
whoa...crazy
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 28, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
Piedmont....14 players on roster last year. 3 Seniors. 7 on roster this year. Only 6 with playing time. 5 returned from last year. 6 players from last year are not on current roster that could/should. Sounds like a huge mess. New coach and staff. I could speculate all day but something doesn't add up. Anyone with inside scoop?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 29, 2012, 10:53:51 AM
Here's a quote from Piedmont Head Coach Mark Bollinger:

"I am very proud of the core group of student-athletes remaining in our program," Bollinger said. "They have met the high expectations we placed on them on the court, in the classroom, on campus and in the community. My coaching staff is looking forward to the opportunity to recruit high-character, talented and intelligent young men as we continue the process of building a championship-caliber program that Piedmont College can be proud of on and off of the court."

Sound like code for "we had some guys who didn't want to follow the new rules I imposed.  Next year, I'll get some players who do."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 02, 2013, 07:30:53 PM
Guilford with a solid victory over Methodist today in Fayetteville, 84-61.  Four Quakers scored in double figures led by guard Matt McCarthey's 21.  Freshman center Zeb Richardson added 17 and, I believe a career-high, 15 rebounds.  The boxscore looks as though GCQ controlled most aspects of the game, including 10 of 21 behind the arc and 20 of 23 FTs.

Guilford improves to 10-2 with their 5th straight win and Methodist falls to 3-7.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 06, 2013, 11:44:50 PM
Just when I was all ready to say Maryville had begun to figure it out, they lose to Narch's team.  MC's big post guy apparently did not play (Bodewig) but it may not have mattered.  Anybody see the game?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 07, 2013, 11:30:38 AM
I got a summary of the game and it was that Maryville got outplayed.  I wish they had it all figured out.  I don't know if they know the problem and keep addressing it or if they have not figured it out yet.  Needless to say it is embarrassing for the Grubby One.  I cannot wear my MC basketball gear in public anymore so i pretty much have to go around nude.  BTW, I just had another baby, not correlation to me going around nude.

Again, the talent is there, but they don't know what they are doing yet.  Too many young guys.  I wish they played CNU every game at home cause I like watching those guys play and that is what I am used to seeing in Murvul.

Lagrange lost as well this weekend.  They look like they have some players out.  Wallace will get it together.  He will make them men.

I am going back to hating life.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 07, 2013, 03:03:47 PM
+1 mattgrubb.  Personally, I think the world needs misanthropy - part of the overall natural order of things.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 07, 2013, 05:09:42 PM
Mr. Grubby:  Being a Scot and therefore educated and honest, methinks you probably did not have a baby your own self.

One Scot issue seems to be the lack of a go-to scorer. Like the Grubby One, for instance. 

Is Bodewig hurt or in the doghouse?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: JRitt on January 08, 2013, 09:30:55 AM
Mr. Grubby,
I was at the Greensboro game and it appeared he went down with a leg injury. The Scots looked pretty impressive. A lot of young, athletic bodies. It was very surprising to me as well to see them lose to Methodist. CNU came in the next day and looked a lot like Maryville. Only difference I saw between CNU and Maryville was they have go to guys. Maryville does it by committee.

I have seen every team play except Lagrange now in the conference. Here is my opinion based on what I saw and not records so far:
1- CNU
2- Maryville
3-NC Wesleyan
4-Ferrum
5-Lagrange
6-Greensboro
7-Averett
8-Methodist

  This is going to be an interesting last 6 weeks of conference play. The USA Conference is stronger this year and by no means is anyone 2-7 safe!! CNU is the best team in the conference.

                         
                         
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: augie77 on January 08, 2013, 04:38:24 PM
Has there beem any clearer word on why Piedmont cancelled its season?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 08, 2013, 09:07:14 PM
Combination of academic issues, injuries and disciplinary problems caused them to be woefully short of players at the break.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 03:00:17 PM
Hopefully they can right the ship next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 09, 2013, 10:49:10 PM
NC Wesleyan upsets CNU tonight in Rocky Mount, 112-109, in double OT.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 10, 2013, 02:08:58 PM
Quote from: JRitt on January 08, 2013, 09:30:55 AMI have seen every team play except Lagrange now in the conference. ...This is going to be an interesting last 6 weeks of conference play. The USA Conference is stronger this year and by no means is anyone 2-7 safe!! CNU is the best team in the conference.
i haven't seen nearly as many usasac games as you have this year, but based on ooc results, i can't agree with the statement that the usasac is stronger this year...in fact, what i've heard from folks that i know and trust is that this might be one of the worst years for the conference as a whole - there are 4 teams with winning ooc records (cnu, lagrange, gc and ncwc), but for the most part, gc and ncwc didn't play anyone that mattered in their non-conference schedule...wins over barber scotia, montreat, and a bunch of bible schools don't tell us much about the strength of the conference - add to that the fact that one of our teams was 0-7 (and might have been oh-for-the-season) and had to cancel the season...that doesn't equate to any semblance of strength, in my mind - that being said, i agree with your statement that it will be interesting - the simple fact that the monarchs, who are not very good AND who lost their leading scorer at the break, have gone 4-2 over their last six games is somewhat surprising to me...ncwc beating cnu last night? i wouldn't have called that one after the bishops started conference play 0-3...this clearly seems like it is shaping up to be a competitive season, even if the overall quality of play is disputable
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 10, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
Unlike Grinnell's Taylor, all of NCWC's Givens' 50 points were needed to best CNU in 2OTs.  I can get excited about a great scoring game such as this one by the Bishops and Captains.  Nice job!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 10, 2013, 11:16:08 PM
Givens is for real and he can get/keep the Bishops in any game they'll be playing.  Maybe none of these teams is good enough to dominate inside the conference or beat the good ODAC teams, but it does seem competitive within the USASouth, at least in the top half.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HEELMAN31 on January 11, 2013, 02:54:11 PM
I'm wondering when MU will finally shut down the "good ole boy" network and hire a real men's basketball coach that doesn't play favorites and really wants to win basketball games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 11, 2013, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: HEELMAN31 on January 11, 2013, 02:54:11 PM
I'm wondering when MU will finally shut down the "good ole boy" network and hire a real men's basketball coach that doesn't play favorites and really wants to win basketball games.

Coming out of the gate with guns blazing might not be the best way to have a serious conversation, but welcome to the board anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 11, 2013, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: HEELMAN31 on January 11, 2013, 02:54:11 PM
I'm wondering when MU will finally shut down the "good ole boy" network and hire a real men's basketball coach that doesn't play favorites and really wants to win basketball games.
heelman - while i understand the frustration of the last few years, it's important to keep perspective

that same "good ole boy" network brought a lot of success for the monarchs early on in coach smith's career - coach smith is in his 14th season at mu - during his first 7 years, the monarchs went 104-83 (.556) overall and 61-28 (.678) in conference - they had 5 winning seasons overall and 6 winning seasons in conference - throw in a couple of ncaa tournament appearances and 6 first team all-conference players, and the first seven years of his career were very solid

the last 6.5 years haven't been as good, though -  64-107 overall (.376) and 33-43 (.434) in conference - 1 winning season overall and in conference and only 1 first team all conference player

rather than call for someone's job - he does need to put food on the table - i hope that coach smith can find that magic that he had in the first 7 years and turn things around...he's a mu graduate and he has had a lot of success

but i'm with you...something needs to happen - the last 5 years have not been what mu basketball should be
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: HEELMAN31 on January 12, 2013, 10:59:53 AM
I agree, in those early years, any coach could have just rolled the ball out on the court and won with the kind of talent that was on those teams. In recent years, the talent level has gone down obviously and the discipline is not there. There has to be a reason why those talented players aren't coming to MU anymore and i'm sorry it starts at the top. Any player wants to play for someone with enthusiasm and desire, i just don't see it, guns blazing or not, the truth will set you free.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 13, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Quote from: HEELMAN31 on January 12, 2013, 10:59:53 AM
I agree, in those early years, any coach could have just rolled the ball out on the court and won with the kind of talent that was on those teams. In recent years, the talent level has gone down obviously and the discipline is not there. There has to be a reason why those talented players aren't coming to MU anymore and i'm sorry it starts at the top. Any player wants to play for someone with enthusiasm and desire, i just don't see it, guns blazing or not, the truth will set you free.
fair enough...there is no doubt there was a lot of talent early on - i don't share calling for someone to be let go, but i think we share the opinion that the results we're seeing isn't what mu is capable of
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 16, 2013, 10:03:13 PM
the monarchs get a nice win vs. ncwc tonight, 85-82 - three frosh (keemon ingram, johnel jones and brandon monk) stepped up for the green & gold, scoring a combined 57 points on 20-30 shooting - givens had 20 points, but took 23 shots to get them...

mu "improves" to 6-8, 3-2
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2013, 12:23:16 PM
video of the buzzer-beating, game winning 3 from monk last night...pretty nice crowd - big shot for the frosh...

http://youtu.be/as4y5n2DXS0
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2013, 12:27:33 PM
Heelman31 and narch
so you all are wanting Montrell McNair back on the roster????

Good win for the scots last night against the scots.  Murvul played well but I think it was an obvious exhibition of Murvul's superior talent over Covenant.  The other great lesson was that Covenant has Senior s that know how to take care of business and that is why their record is better than Murvul's.  You can't teach experience and Murvul basically had none last night, but they got a nice victory and had fun doing it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on January 17, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
Daily Times story on MC win over Covenant
http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Maryville-comes-out-on-top-in-battle-of-Scots-id-032034 (http://www.thedailytimes.com/Sports_News/story/Maryville-comes-out-on-top-in-battle-of-Scots-id-032034)

Bad news out of the game was that Wes Lambert appears to be out for a few games and Craig Raye out indefinitely with an eye injury. So the lone senior and the junior with the most court time are on bench. That makes this young Maryville team, even younger and more unpredictable.

I could easily see them winning one of the two road games this weekend by 20 and dropping the other by 30 and couldn't tell you if its Wesleyan or CNU that's the more likely loss, just that up in the air and volatile. When they click, they are as good as anyone and when they don't the wheels can can come off pretty fast. Which makes each game a fun adventure for the guy writing about it but my sympathies to the coaching staff. If Raul had any hair left, I believe he'd have pulled it all out.

ALSO
I think the Piedmont thing has killed any discussion on the conference strength or weakness this season. Pat may have better grasp on this than I do, but the format for USAC play this season with 9 teams was everyone plays everyone twice. Piedmont didn't play a single conference game. The league slate is now 14 games and while some folks have found a makeup opponent or two, most haven't. The majority of league teams will end up with 23 game schedules which will hurt win totals, stats etc as the NCAA doesn't recognize a forfeit.
I don't see anyway that this isn't a tourney-winner-is-it season for the dance.

Which is just the opposite of the women's side where I see three viable tourney teams — Maryville, CNU, Ferrum — and don't think they can get more than two bids.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2013, 09:01:29 PM
It's a good thing Piedmont didn't play anyone in the conference. Saves the USAC from having to invalidate those wins for conference standings, or balance them out for teams that didn't get to play them. And nobody in the league has to take that strength of schedule hit from playing them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 17, 2013, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 17, 2013, 12:27:33 PM
Heelman31 and narch
so you all are wanting Montrell McNair back on the roster????
montrell could ball out...there isn't a team in the country that wouldn't want him (in his prime, of course) on it's roster...best pure scorer that i've ever seen in the green & gold
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 19, 2013, 06:04:22 PM
Just watched on the web CNU beat Maryville 79-71.  Scots are getting better and CNU coach said on postgame that he's not looking forward to having to play MC later in the year.  Some of us Scotsfans have been hoping the year would see improvement as the young'uns get more experience and time being coached well, and I think we were right.   CNU is tough, though.  Should be fun at the tournament if Murvul keeps getting better.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on January 20, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
mu wins its fourth straight at lagrange today...freshman tabias hilliard had 17 to lead the monarchs - mu is now 7-8, 4-2 after a 1-7 start...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 21, 2013, 03:56:33 PM
Wow, Lagrange has hit the skidz...Well fortunately for Coach Wallace, maker of men, he will be home in Maryville for Alumni day at MC.  It always feels good to come home.

I gotta put the odds in Murvul's favor over LC this weekend.  The kids look like they are learning.  Shoffner as a scoring presence it was they need.  It won't be easy as I can guarantee the Panthers will play hard and tough.  I can't wait.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 28, 2013, 10:24:39 AM
That Maryville crew at LaGrange has taught the Panthers well.  LaGrange is better than their record (lots of good players out for much of that losing streak) and they are well coached and play hard.

The Scots gave it away, though.  Maybe they need a course on meanness.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 28, 2013, 01:02:44 PM
Scottiedoug is correct.  For most of January, LaGrange has been going with some its best players out of the line-up.  I think February will be the exact opposite of January for the Panthers.

I, for one, am excited about what Coach Wallace and Coach McGreal are doing at LaGrange College.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 28, 2013, 04:37:47 PM
It's no surprise to any of us associated with Murvul that Coach Wallace is building a competitive program.  It will be a surprise to some of the rest of the USASouth! 

I bet if Murvul and LaGrange meet again this year, it will turn out differently (but not by much).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 29, 2013, 11:31:31 AM
So far the old GSAC teams have not made the impact that some of us thought they would.But,there are a few weeks left to change all that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 29, 2013, 06:13:58 PM
Yea, the old GSAC teams have not quite had the expected impact, but then again, no one expected this out of Murvul.  And who could predict that travesty at Piedmont.  Come on bro, its D3, the kids want to be there and you screw it up, TRAVESTY.

Yea, all these people in the hills know that Wallace and Mcgreal know D3 basketball.  It is surprising that Wallace, maker of men disciple of defense, is doing it with young players.  Thought he might be one or 2 seasons away.

The USA south tourney should be a blast.  CNU looks like they could be upset by somebody.  Especially with the style of play that Methodist and Lagrange have.  Those 2 teams could be capable of about anything on a given night.

The MC Scots are dissappointing at best.  I have not seen anything out of anyone yet that i have not seen on any other team, so I can't say they have more talent or potential at this point in the season.  Only more losses.

The new conference is definitely fun to keep up with all of the action.  I can't wait for the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wildbill on February 06, 2013, 07:19:06 PM
CNU just announced the C. J. Woollum died today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on February 06, 2013, 08:53:22 PM
Sad day for CNU Athletics today as CJ Woollum passed away. He was a remarkable man that made enormous strides in the transition of the university as far as athletics are concerned. His vision was to make the department into a successful program with top notch facilities and he certainly got to see his dream become a reality. He was a great man and touched a lot of lives, including this one. It's hard to put into words what he meant to Christopher Newport. I know there are several posters on here (Pat, CNU85, and others) that knew him well and I'm sure they would echo my sentiments as well as their own insights. May he rest in peace but his dream will live on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2013, 12:57:56 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 06, 2013, 08:53:22 PM
Sad day for CNU Division III Athletics today as CJ Woollum passed away. He was a remarkable man that made enormous strides in the transition of the university as far as athletics are concerned. His vision was to make the department into a successful program with top notch facilities and he certainly got to see his dream become a reality. He was a great man and touched a lot of lives, including this one. It's hard to put into words what he meant to Christopher Newport. I know there are several posters on here (Pat, CNU85, and others) that knew him well and I'm sure they would echo my sentiments as well as their own insights. May he rest in peace but his dream will live on.
goose...i corrected your post above...my condolences to the cnu family and the woolum family
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hampton U SID on February 07, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
Sad day for the 757 with the passing of Coach Woollum.  Can't say anymore than what Goose13 put down - you hit it perfectly big guy
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: tigerfanalso on February 07, 2013, 04:38:51 PM
Sorry for your loss. Had Coach Woollum been sick ? Never had the pleasure of meeting him but never heard nothing but great things about him as a person; his professional accomplishments speak for themselves. May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on February 07, 2013, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: narch on February 07, 2013, 12:57:56 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 06, 2013, 08:53:22 PM
Sad day for CNU Division III Athletics today as CJ Woollum passed away. He was a remarkable man that made enormous strides in the transition of the university as far as athletics are concerned. His vision was to make the department into a successful program with top notch facilities and he certainly got to see his dream become a reality. He was a great man and touched a lot of lives, including this one. It's hard to put into words what he meant to Christopher Newport. I know there are several posters on here (Pat, CNU85, and others) that knew him well and I'm sure they would echo my sentiments as well as their own insights. May he rest in peace but his dream will live on.
goose...i corrected your post above...my condolences to the cnu family and the woolum family

narch, you can correct me anytime :) You hit the nail precisely.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on February 07, 2013, 05:35:49 PM
Quote from: tigerfanalso on February 07, 2013, 04:38:51 PM
Sorry for your loss. Had Coach Woollum been sick ? Never had the pleasure of meeting him but never heard nothing but great things about him as a person; his professional accomplishments speak for themselves. May he rest in peace.

tigerfan,
   Sadly he was stricken with cancer over the summer and underwent surgery at that time. He had made some progress and I even got the opportunity to see him and speak with him at several games as recently as about a month ago before he took a turn for the worse. CNU will not be the same without him but I know his legacy will live on.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CaptJ on February 07, 2013, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: wildbill on February 06, 2013, 07:19:06 PM
CNU just announced the C. J. Woollum died today.
I have been OOC for a long time now.  Maybe it is because I've moved away from the 757, maybe it is because CNU is not the power on the national level that it was when CJ Woollum was bringing national level talent (and providing national level coaching) to Newport News.  I called for his retirement a few years ago.  Maybe I was right, maybe not.  But one thing I know for certain is that CNU basketball and CNU athletics owes an immeasurable debt to CJ Woollum.  Man, it breaks my heart that we have lost Coach Woollum. I've been lurking on this site and my greatest wish is that the current team recognizes the contribution that a coach that they might never have known made the CNU athletic program what it is today.  Even if they never met him, their place at CNU was made possible because of Coach Woollum.   Recognize the significance, Captains!  Let the legacy of Coach Woollum inspire you to play at the level that he would have drawn from you if you had been priveleged to play for him.  Go Captains!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 07, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
not to move this away from mourning cj woolum, but i saw this on the usasac site...http://usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130206ttou84

can't say i'm shocked to see the piedmont coach step down given what happened this season, but it's sad to see from a conference standpoint  - coaching stability is typically a significant step toward athletic success, and the pc coach didn't even last the entire season
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on February 08, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
Quote from: narch on February 07, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
not to move this away from mourning cj woolum, but i saw this on the usasac site...http://usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130206ttou84

can't say i'm shocked to see the piedmont coach step down given what happened this season, but it's sad to see from a conference standpoint  - coaching stability is typically a significant step toward athletic success, and the pc coach didn't even last the entire season

narch, wouldn't you agree..bring back Lee Glenn!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 09, 2013, 09:45:11 PM
Quote from: Goose13 on February 08, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
Quote from: narch on February 07, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
not to move this away from mourning cj woolum, but i saw this on the usasac site...http://usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/20130206ttou84

can't say i'm shocked to see the piedmont coach step down given what happened this season, but it's sad to see from a conference standpoint  - coaching stability is typically a significant step toward athletic success, and the pc coach didn't even last the entire season

narch, wouldn't you agree..bring back Lee Glenn!!
i think lee is happy doing what he's doing, but I don't think PC would have cancelled the season with lee at the helm...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
... I was told Lee was let go, too ...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
What a big win for the Maker of Men Coach Wallace.  Is Lagrange or Greensboro the team to watch in the conference tourney?

I think Murvul's record is a bigger surprise than Piedmont's season. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 10, 2013, 02:18:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
... I was told Lee was let go, too ...
pc - not sure who your source is, but i can tell you that i had dinner with lee (my source) about 2 months ago and he mentioned that he was contemplating his next step and possibly leaving pc...he is running a small, growing business and said he was at a crossroads with regard to the time the business would demand to continue to grow - when lee told me he had resigned, i wasn't shocked (other than i know how much he enjoyed coaching d3 student-athletes) - not sure i would categorize his departure as being "let go"...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: narch on February 10, 2013, 02:18:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
... I was told Lee was let go, too ...
pc - not sure who your source is, but i can tell you that i had dinner with lee (my source) about 2 months ago and he mentioned that he was contemplating his next step and possibly leaving pc...he is running a small, growing business and said he was at a crossroads with regard to the time the business would demand to continue to grow - when lee told me he had resigned, i wasn't shocked (other than i know how much he enjoyed coaching d3 student-athletes) - not sure i would categorize his departure as being "let go"...

... as sports information director, I mean.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 10, 2013, 09:40:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: narch on February 10, 2013, 02:18:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
... I was told Lee was let go, too ...
pc - not sure who your source is, but i can tell you that i had dinner with lee (my source) about 2 months ago and he mentioned that he was contemplating his next step and possibly leaving pc...he is running a small, growing business and said he was at a crossroads with regard to the time the business would demand to continue to grow - when lee told me he had resigned, i wasn't shocked (other than i know how much he enjoyed coaching d3 student-athletes) - not sure i would categorize his departure as being "let go"...

... as sports information director, I mean.
yes...as sid...the conversation we had two months ago was in regard to his position as sid...if your source is saying he was let go, I believe your source is not accurate
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
His name is conspicuously absent from the staff list and former SID Richard Dombrowsky is listed as interim SID.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/staff.aspx?tab=athleticstaffdirectory
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 10, 2013, 11:04:26 PM
I would not want to play either Greensboro or LaGrange right now or in the tournament.  I think Murvul is better than its record but if they cannot win games....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2013, 08:42:53 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
His name is conspicuously absent from the staff list and former SID Richard Dombrowsky is listed as interim SID.

http://www.piedmontlions.com/staff.aspx?tab=athleticstaffdirectory
why would PC list someone who resigned over two weeks ago on their website?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 11, 2013, 10:24:32 AM
There are several things going on at Piedmont about which one could ask "why?"
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2013, 12:04:46 PM
I wasn't able to divine which part of my statement you were disagreeing with. I feel very good about my source.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on February 11, 2013, 03:41:27 PM
CJ's memorial service last night was a great tribute to his life as a coach but more importantly as a person. There was a great list of speakers who hit the proverbial nail on the head when it came to talking about the kind of person he was and how much he meant to the region and the campus. There's no doubt in my mind that each team will be "playing for CJ", if they haven't been already. Fitting note, the women's team played NC Wesleyan the day he died and won by 64 points, which is exactly how old CJ was. :) Looking forward to the men's game Wednesday against the Bishops on Senior Night.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2013, 12:04:46 PMI feel very good about my source.
as do i...i've had a 15+ year personal relationship with my source and he told me months ago that he was considering making this move - could he be full of it?...maybe, but i don't see the upside for him - will respond in more detail to your personal message
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2013, 07:47:33 PM
Well, narch, let's just state the obvious, Who would WANT to be a Piedmont right now.  Coach Glenn was not a bad coach.  The GSAC did not have a lot going for it.  The USASC does.  It would be tough to recruit ATL kids to Piedmont but it can be done.  SEE Lagrange.  D3 is a tough job and even tougher now that state schools have picked up their academic requirements.  I would think there are good reasons to get out of coaching at a GSAC school and the first reason is money.  But between the 2 GA schools in the USASC, i would pick piedmont for better facilities and a better basketball tradition.

That is sad about CJ.  We at Maryville have always looked at Randy Lambert in a similar light as CJ, we are hoping Randy lives and coaches forever.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 14, 2013, 11:26:37 PM
I am looking forward to this weekend's games.  LaGrange has a chance to move into 4 or 5 in the conference if they win both games.  That is a far cry from where they were at the end of January. 

I have seen every team in conference this year and I can honestly say that anyone could win this tournament.  Every team is flawed and every team is capable of beating anyone else.

CNU has depth and credibility...officials pay attention to national rankings and reputation which could help them in the tournament
Maryville has arguably the best coach in the conference
NC Wesleyan has the best offensive player
Greensboro is the most physical team
LC has IMHO the best guard in Kyron Anderson...the guy wills his team to win.
Ferrum is tough just like Greensboro and maybe better coached
Averett and Methodist are capable teams and the tournament is in Methodist's back yard which should help them.

Should be a fun tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 15, 2013, 09:16:35 AM
Is there any way that if CNU doesn't win the tourney that USA South gets 2 bids?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2013, 09:22:34 AM
Unless CNU loses before late in the tournament, I cannot imagine CNU not getting a bid.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on February 17, 2013, 02:01:55 PM
I've been off the boards for a while. I spend most of my spare time on campus, attending one meeting or another, or one event or another. I too was present at the memorial service for CJ Woollum. It was a very special tribute to a great man! I echo the thoughts of others who have posted here...CNU athletics, not just basketball, owes a lot to this man. Without his dedication and passion for CNU sports, none of us....athletes, students, fans, alum, would enjoy the successes evidenced at CNU. While many of my friends complain about not bringing home a National Championship other than track, and one individual golfer back in the day, I suggest the following outlook:

CNU, and CJ, have not focused on one sport over another. All sports, men and women, get a fair shake at developing a program. And we are almost there as far as national championships, and the day will soon come when it happens.

Over the past 10 years, and most of what I am about to mention are even sooner than that:

Baseball - #2 in country in D3 CWS. Also #3. back to back years. Currently #8 and watch out for this year's team!! Oh my is it stacked!!
Football has been ranked numerous times..never had a losing season.
Mens basketball....was ranked even this year, until the last poll
Womens basketball....currently #22. Had d3 women's national poty in Chelsea Schweers just a few years ago. Final 4 appearance as well.
Men's soccer - ranked as high as #1 last season
Softball....nationally ranked.....in 2011 played in National Championship game
Womens Volleyball....nationally ranked....consistently playing for national championship
Mens tennis....past 2 years a player is All-American.

All of the team successes and the numerous All-Americans in all sports.....and recently almost 300 student athletes were recognized for achieving a 3.0 GPA in the fall semester - from a University with incoming Freshmen achieving an average high school GPA of 3.8 and average SAT of 1207.

CJ built the foundation for a true D3 Student-Athlete institution that will ultimately give rise to a program that rarely exists. CNU will be a power in numerous sports and with athletes that are successful in the classroom as well!

ok - I'm off my soapbox. I just wanted to share with everyone that CJ may no longer roam CNU, but his legacy will surely be felt for decades to come!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Goose13 on February 18, 2013, 08:12:23 PM
CNU85,
   I saw you hob-knobbing with the higher ups at last week's final home (men's anyway) games! Movin on up (or in this case, down the chairbacks)!! Your sentiments were spot on my friend. I expect nothing less from you.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on February 20, 2013, 07:40:18 PM
In case you have not seen All Conference:

First Team

Tra Benefield - Christopher Newport
Brandon Givens - N.C. Wesleyan
Lamont King - Ferrum
Justin Pierce - Averett
Luqman Tijani - Greensboro

Second Team   

Nik Biberaj - Christopher Newport
Mike Cherry - Christopher Newport
Damian Dixon - Greensboro
Patrick Dugger - LaGrange
Jamal Pullen - Ferrum
   
Honorable Mention

Christian Ford - Maryville
Bryan Hockaday - Methodist
Josh Morrison - N.C. Wesleyan
Chakiris Moss - Greensboro
Marquis Scott - Averett

POY - Brandon Givens - NCWC
ROY - JD Wallace - Ferrum
COY - Bill Tharp - Ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2013, 12:18:58 PM
Looks about right to me. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2013, 11:42:30 PM
Silly me.  I thought that when Maryville joined a "real" conference that its tournament would be in video on the internet.

The Scots almost grew up and smacked Ferrum, without one of the better (and bigger) players.  Maryville has gotten better, even if more slowly than some of us had hoped.  I bet the young'uns will be more trouble for the conference next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 25, 2013, 09:27:09 PM
congrats to the captains and good luck in the tournament...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 26, 2013, 01:28:48 AM
Here is an interesting look at how individuals impact a team's performance.  The following analysis is not based on individual stats, but compares team performance with individual players in and out of the lineup.  This is an objective analysis using actual data from every game played by USA South Athletic Conference teams this season.  Based on this comprehensive analysis, the following players are making the most positive impact on their respective team:

Averett: JUSTIN PIERCE improves Averett's scoring rate by 18.4ppg but also allows opponent scoring rate to increase by 0.1ppg - a net gain of 18.3ppg

Christopher Newport: MIKE CHERRY does a nice job of not only improving Christopher Newport's scoring rate by a whopping 21.4ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 7.8ppg - a net gain of 29.2ppg.    NIK BIBERAJ (16.7ppg), TRA BENEFIELD (16.7ppg), CONNOR LAFRAMBOISE (5.9ppg) and JON SNEAD (5.7ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Ferrum: LAMONT KING does a nice job of not only improving Ferrum's scoring rate by 11.3ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 3.2ppg - a net gain of 14.5ppg.    JD WALLACE (10.7ppg), MARSHALL HAMILTON (6.9ppg) and ALEK AYER (5.3ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

Greensboro: DEVONTA DAVIS does a nice job of not only improving Greensboro's scoring rate by 14.4ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 4.3ppg - a net gain of 18.7ppg.    DONALD ANDERSON (13.5ppg) and RAHEEM MARTIN (6.9ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

LaGrange: DUSTIN BAXTER does a nice job of not only improving LaGrange's scoring rate by 5.1ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 6.0ppg - a net gain of 11.1ppg

Maryville (Tenn.): SPENCER PEAKE does a nice job of not only improving Maryville (Tenn.)'s scoring rate by 4.2ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 9.9ppg - a net gain of 14.1ppg.    SPENCER SHOFFNER (6.0ppg) also makes a strong positive impact.

Methodist: TABIAS HILLIARD does a nice job of not only improving Methodist's scoring rate by 6.0ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 12.9ppg - a net gain of 18.9ppg.    BRYAN HOCKADAY (17.4ppg), KEEMON INGRAM (11.3ppg) and CHRISTIAN MCRAE (5.9ppg) also make a strong positive impact.

North Carolina Wesleyan: DEVONTAE WILLIAMS does a nice job of not only improving North Carolina Wesleyan's scoring rate by 4.2ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 0.5ppg - a net gain of 4.7ppg

Piedmont:  incomplete data.


On the lighter side, focusing on secondary goals (team stats other than the primary objective - outscoring opponents).  Following are players making the most positive impact in these areas:

Team scoring: having MIKE CHERRY on the floor correlates to Christopher Newport increasing its scoring rate by 21.4 ppg compared to when CHERRY is on the bench.

Opponent scoring: having RAHEEM MARTIN on the floor correlates to Greensboro decreasing opposition scoring rate by 13.1 ppg compared to when MARTIN is on the bench.

Team field goal percentage: having TRA BENEFIELD on the floor correlates to Christopher Newport increasing its field goal percentage rate by 9.9 percentage points compared to when BENEFIELD is on the bench.  JUSTIN PIERCE-Averett (8.9) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent field goal percentage: having BRYAN HOCKADAY on the floor correlates to Methodist decreasing opposition field goal percentage rate by 6.0 percentage points compared to when HOCKADAY is on the bench.  JOEY BODEWIG-Maryville (Tenn.) (5.8) and RAHEEM MARTIN-Greensboro (5.7) also make a strong positive impact.

Team made field goals: having MIKE CHERRY on the floor correlates to Christopher Newport increasing its made field goals rate by 8.6 per game compared to when CHERRY is on the bench.  TRA BENEFIELD-Christopher Newport (8.3) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent made field goals: having MARTIN RAHEEM on the floor correlates to Greensboro decreasing opposition made field goals rate by 5.9 per game compared to when RAHEEM is on the bench.

Team offensive rebounds: having DEVONTAE WILLIAMS on the floor correlates to North Carolina Wesleyan increasing its offensive rebounds rate by 7.4 per game compared to when WILLIAMS is on the bench.  MARQUIS SCOTT-Averett (7.0) also makes a strong positive impact.

Opponent offensive rebounds: having JETHRO GRIFFIN on the floor correlates to Maryville (Tenn.) decreasing opposition offensive rebounds rate by 3.3 per game compared to when GRIFFIN is on the bench.

Team turnovers: having TRA BENEFIELD on the floor correlates to Christopher Newport decreasing its turnovers rate by 5.5 per game compared to when BENEFIELD is on the bench.

Opponent turnovers: having ALEK AYER on the floor correlates to Ferrum increasing opposition turnovers rate by 4.5 per game compared to when AYER is on the bench.

Team steals: having NICK MITCHELL on the floor correlates to LaGrange increasing its steals rate by 3.4 per game compared to when MITCHELL is on the bench.

Team assists: having MIKE CHERRY on the floor correlates to Christopher Newport increasing its assists rate by 5.6 per game compared to when CHERRY is on the bench.  CONNOR LAFRAMBOISE-Christopher Newport (5.5) also makes a strong positive impact.

Team defensive rebounds: having BRYAN HOCKADAY on the floor correlates to Methodist increasing its defensive rebounds rate by 6.9 per game compared to when HOCKADAY is on the bench.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 26, 2013, 02:02:28 PM
DMJSports - these seem to be great statistics - long-time members of this board will probably recall that in the past i've advocated some type of +/- statistic - there was one particular former monarch player who used to score pretty liberally...and then turn around and give up easy points in the paint pretty regularly...i always thought he might actually be more of a liability because of his inability to defend - i believe captj has echoed the desire for a +/- statistic, as well - the last few years i've noticed many of the "live stats" applications have some type of statistical rating or evaluation, but i'm not sure what exactly this is measuring, and haven't cared enough to research it

it appears that you are using (or have developed) some pretty high level metrics, but i'm curious about how some of the numbers are even possible - take these cnu players, for example...
Quote from: DMJSports on February 26, 2013, 01:28:48 AMChristopher Newport: MIKE CHERRY does a nice job of not only improving Christopher Newport's scoring rate by a whopping 21.4ppg but also reducing opponent scoring rate by 7.8ppg - a net gain of 29.2ppg.    NIK BIBERAJ (16.7ppg), TRA BENEFIELD (16.7ppg)
looking at cherry, biberaj and benefield, specifically...all three average between 30 and 34 minutes per game - among this group, cherry scores the fewest points per minute at .444 (ppm) and has the second highest assists per minute .077 (apm), while biberaj is second in ppm at .509 and first in apm at .092 and benefield averages .526 ppm and .012 apm...these metrics are commonly associated with point production, and all three have numbers that are pretty similar when you look at them in combination

i'm assuming that probably 75 to 80% (or more) of the time, all three are on the floor together as starters and part of a regular rotation (perhaps some of the cnu supporters can verify this for me, but there has to be some statistical validity to this statement simply by viewing the minutes played)...for there to be such a huge discrepancy between cherry and biberaj/benefield (29.2 ppg vs. 16.7 ppg impact), there has to be a significant difference in their ability to stop opponents from scoring on an individual basis (not simply as observed by team score, since we've already established they are all on the floor together the vast majority of the time, negating the statistical impact of team score) - biberaj, in particular, has some metrics that commonly indicate holding the opponent score down...defensive rebounds (170 vs. 84) and blocks (31 vs. 5), in particular...which are off-the-charts compared to cherry - cherry also has nearly 35% more turnovers than biberaj, and i would assume that SOME of those to's turned into opponent points...

it seems statisically impossible to me that the player with the lowest point production (measured by ppm), lowest shooting percentage (by far), lowest rebounding output (offensive and defensive...by a large margin), and highest turnover rate would have an "impact rating" that is 75% higher than the other two guys he's being compared to on his own team, especially when team performance is the measurement tool and they are on the floor together for the vast majority of the time...can you explain this apparent anomaly?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 26, 2013, 03:21:01 PM
Hello narch,

Thanks for the question.  The statement you highlighted doesn't only take into account scoring, but, more importantly, point differential.  In addition, it takes into account the difference between team performance while the player is in vs out of the lineup.  So, in the cases where players have similar stats, play the majority of the game and are in the same rotation, the big difference is typically the few minutes they are out and how the team performs during those times.  If they are out at the same time, their numbers will look the same, but with players that are only out 4-8 minutes a game, the team performance during those few minutes (keep in mind it is looking at the whole season, not just a few games), could have a significant impact on these numbers. 

So, if we look at your specific question: As you correctly point out, Cherry, Biberjak and Benefield score at similar clips (0.46ppm, 0.5ppm and 0.54ppm, respectively).  Now, when you look at point differential when these players are in, you get the following: 0.44ppm, 0.40ppm, and 0.385ppm, respectively.  Notice how when Cherry is in the game, CNU actually has the best point differential per minute at 0.44ppm.  Now, just looking at those numbers, it still doesn't explain why Cherry's impact is at 29.2ppg and the other 2 are at 16.7ppg.  The big difference comes from the time Cherry is out.  During that time, CNU is actually a negative in the point differential (plus/minus) at -0.29ppm.  Biberjak is about even (when he is out) and when Benefield is out, CNU is still about even (-0.08ppm).  So, the significant discrepancy between Cherry out at -0.29ppm and even for Benefield and Biberjak is the determining factor that gives Cherry an impact of 29.2ppg.  I hope my explanation makes sense.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2013, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: DMJSports on February 26, 2013, 03:21:01 PMI hope my explanation makes sense.
still trying to wrap my head around this...

to help me understand, i want to simplify this a bit...maybe the formula is so complex that simplifying it won't work, but i'd like to try

let's use biberaj and cherry to reduce the third variable of benefield - biberaj played 780 minutes in 26 games (30.0 min/game) and cherry played 862 minutes in 26 games (33.2 min/game) - let's ASSUME that 70% of the time cherry played, he was on the court with biberaj (seems like a reasonable assumption, but you may have the actual statistic)...in a 40 minute game, this means that they were on the floor together for 23.2 minutes, leaving 10 minutes that cherry was on the floor without biberaj (and 6.8 minutes that biberaj was on the floor w/o cherry)

time together:
cherry: 23.2 minutes * .44 ppm differential = 10.2 ppg impact
biberaj: 23.2 minutes * .40 ppm differential = 9.3 ppg impact

time alone:
cherry: 10 minutes * .44 ppm differential = 4.4 ppg impact
biberaj: 6.8 minutes * .40 ppm differential = 2.7 ppg impact

(i realize the first two could be simplified to simply say "time on the court" vs. "time on the bench")

time on the bench:
cherry: 6.8 minutes * .29 ppm differential = 2.0 ppg impact
biberaj: 10 minutes * 0 ppm differential = 0 ppg impact

why wouldn't their ratings look more like this?
cherry: 16.6 ppg impact [(33.2 mpg * .44 ppm differential) + (6.8 mpg * .29 ppm differential)]
biberaj: 12 ppg impact [(30.0 mpg * .40 ppm differential) + (10 mpg * .0 ppm differential)]

there is still a significant differential between the two players (cherry's impact is around 38% higher than biberaj's in these calculations), but it's a far cry from the 75% differential between 29.2 ppg and 16.7 ppg - this seems more realistic given the conventional metrics, which all tilt toward biberaj being a more impactful player
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 27, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
Hello narch,

If you are going to put this much effort into this the least I can do is the same.  :)

The analysis is seeking the difference a player makes on the team (impact).  So, it evaluates the team's performance with the player and then does the same thing without the player.  The numbers it provides is the magnitude of the difference based on a 40 minute game (hence, it is a rate difference but instead of using the measure per minute, it is using per 40 minutes).  So, looking at this particular example, with Cherry in the lineup the point differential is .44ppm (17.6pp40).  With Cherry out of the lineup it is -0.29ppm (-11.6pp40).   The difference in these rates is 0.73ppm (29.2pp40).  The difference of the point differential rates with Biberaj in and out of the lineup is 0.4175ppm (16.7pp40). 

Your analysis is measuring the impact of these players on a game based on their average playing time... absolutely nothing wrong with that, but my analysis focuses on highlighting the difference in team performance with a player on and off the floor (not biased by current playing time).  A small tweak could certainly change the algorithm to the "narch system."   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
So is this Moneyball without the money?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2013, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: DMJSports on February 27, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
Hello narch,

If you are going to put this much effort into this the least I can do is the same.  :)

The analysis is seeking the difference a player makes on the team (impact).  So, it evaluates the team's performance with the player and then does the same thing without the player.  The numbers it provides is the magnitude of the difference based on a 40 minute game (hence, it is a rate difference but instead of using the measure per minute, it is using per 40 minutes).  So, looking at this particular example, with Cherry in the lineup the point differential is .44ppm (17.6pp40).  With Cherry out of the lineup it is -0.29ppm (-11.6pp40).   The difference in these rates is 0.73ppm (29.2pp40).  The difference of the point differential rates with Biberaj in and out of the lineup is 0.4175ppm (16.7pp40). 
doesn't multiplying both factors by 40 equate the production to an 80 minute game, though?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 27, 2013, 07:57:45 PM
narch,

Depends on what you are trying to measure.  If you are determining what the team with the player does in a 40 minute span and what the team does without the player in a 40 minute span and then take the difference to measure delta between the two, you multiply both by 40 minutes.  You are looking at the difference between rates... whether you want to measure rates on a per minute, per 20 min, or per 40 minute span is up to you.  I prefer 40 minute spans so the magnitudes correspond to the length of a game.   

Regards,
Leo Cohen
DMJ Software
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2013, 09:26:49 PM
ah...i get it now...if you play without a guy, you'll not only lose xx points/40 minutes point production, but also xx points/40 minutes point prevention - it took a while, but i get it :)

do you view it as a flaw that a player who averages, say 9 minutes per game but has the same ratio's as cherry would have the same ppg impact, or do you view that as the point?

either way, it appears that you've got a really cool software program - is there a website where we can view these statistics throughout the season?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: DMJSports on February 28, 2013, 02:22:42 AM
Hello narch,

Sorry, not sure I understand the production vs prevention statement.  If the analysis says a player is +8ppg, it means that based on the trends from game data this season, the team performs 8 points better in a 40 minute game relative to the competition when the player is in the lineup (for the entire 40 minutes) than if the team where to play without the player (for the entire 40 minutes) - this could mean the team wins by 20 with the player and 12 without or lose by 2 with the player and lose by 10 without - the key point is the differential between playing with and without the player).  If a player is even (0ppg), it means the team performs about the same whether the player is in or out of the lineup (this could mean the team wins by 20, ties or loses by 20, but it will be the same regardless of whether the player plays or not as the team performs about the same with the player in or out of the lineup).  If the player is -8ppg (negative), it means that based on this season's data, the team performs 8 points better in a 40 minute game relative to the competition without the player in the lineup than when the player is on the floor for the 40 minutes.

"do you view it as a flaw that a player who averages, say 9 minutes per game but has the same ratio's as cherry would have the same ppg impact, or do you view that as the point?"
- double edge sword: 1) I don't see it as a flaw because the analysis is suppose to highlight the fact that this player, who only plays for 9 minutes per game, is making a significant impact on the team when he is on the court.  The scenario is that this player must not be doing certain things to catch the coaches eye as a strong contributor, but looking at the actual data, is somehow contributing in a way that is helping the team... maybe not scoring a lot, but the team is playing better with him in the lineup.  On the flip side, you may have a player that scores a lot, but the team performance actually improves when they are not on the floor.  An example of this could be because the player takes bad shots, doesn't pass the ball and teammates end up standing around because the dynamic revolves around a good scorer rather than a team effort.  The focus on the analysis is team performance rather than individual stats.  It highlights individuals who help the team perform better... that's the goal of the analysis.  2) the drawback of analyzing a player who only plays for 8-10 minutes a game is the lack of sample size.   Hence, the analysis shouldn't cause a coach to make that player a 35 minute guy, but to possibly start increasing his playing time slowly and continue to watch the analysis.  If his numbers keep up as he is getting more and more minutes, you got yourself a guy who clearly is improving the performance of your team.  If the numbers start creeping down once the player gets a few more minutes, than you can probably deduce it was special circumstances of your rotation or playing in situations like garbage time which caused his analysis to look so strong.

"is there a website where we can view these statistics throughout the season"
- I don't have a website which makes the numbers available, but am happy to deliver team reports via email for a relatively nominal fee.  It takes me a little less than an hour to put together a team report.  During the season, I would send out team reports at night after each game for coaches who requested it.  Reports were usually for their own teams, but sometimes they requested reports on upcoming opposition.

Regards,
Leo Cohen
DMJ Sports
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: DMJSports on February 28, 2013, 02:22:42 AMI don't have a website which makes the numbers available, but am happy to deliver team reports via email for a relatively nominal fee.
i think i'm more interested than most fans when it comes to metrics and statistics...and i'm not interested in paying for this type of thing - i do appreciate your bringing this measurement to our attention, though, and hope you'll continue to give us some "freebies" every once in a while :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 15, 2013, 07:37:51 AM
Neeley returns to Piedmont:http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2013/3/14/MBB_0314131307.aspx?path=mbball    Good Luck Coach
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 15, 2013, 08:58:51 AM
Quote from: bballlover on March 15, 2013, 07:37:51 AM
Neeley returns to Piedmont    http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2013/3/14/MBB_0314131307.aspx?path=mbball    Good Luck Coach
Fixed this so you can access the link.  Thanks for posting it.  +1  :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 15, 2013, 10:52:44 AM
I am glad they did not hire a Maryville person.  LaGrange's doing so made them hard to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on July 09, 2013, 01:07:11 PM
I just read where CNU's big man, Nik Biberaj, is transferring to ODU....excuse me while I go throw up!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: marlinpg10 on August 07, 2013, 10:48:10 AM
Yes nik Biberaj is transferring to Old Dominion. Heard he was asked to be a preferred walk-on for the monarchs. Not sure why akid would leave a school where he is the star to go sit on the bench for 2 years but hey some kids just want to say they played division 1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 07, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
Piedmont schedule is up:http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2013/8/6/MBB_0806131939.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on October 20, 2013, 10:41:51 AM
http://www.usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20131016tdbi30


2013-14 USA South Men's Basketball Coaches Preseason Poll
Rank    Institution (1st Place Votes)    Pts.
1.    Maryville (6)    93
2.    Ferrum (2)    85
3.    LaGrange (2)    78
4.    Greensboro    73
5.    Methodist    68
6.    N.C. Wesleyan (1)    67
t-7.    Averett    37
t-7.    Covenant    37
9.    Huntingdon    28
10.    William Peace    25
11.    Piedmont    14

Thoughts???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 30, 2013, 12:09:01 PM
Why????
The league does not look that strong without CNU.  I do see Murvul returning most everyone but just not battle hardened.  I like Lagrange or Ferrum.  I would probably had
1. LC
2. FC
3. Murvul

But that is just in a preseason poll obviously the end of the year poll probably looks way different
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on October 31, 2013, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: Dixie Fan on October 20, 2013, 10:41:51 AM
http://www.usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2013-14/releases/20131016tdbi30


2013-14 USA South Men's Basketball Coaches Preseason Poll
Rank    Institution (1st Place Votes)    Pts.
1.    Maryville (6)    93
2.    Ferrum (2)    85
3.    LaGrange (2)    78
4.    Greensboro    73
5.    Methodist    68
6.    N.C. Wesleyan (1)    67
t-7.    Averett    37
t-7.    Covenant    37
9.    Huntingdon    28
10.    William Peace    25
11.    Piedmont    14

Thoughts???
my first thought...PC has fallen off the map...getting fewer votes (probably justified) than a second year program...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2013, 11:22:05 PM
William Peace played more games last year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 07, 2013, 09:52:31 AM
Both Covenant and piedmont lose exhibition games to Kennesaw State.http://www.ksuowls.com/index.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 09, 2013, 10:33:57 PM
PC loses by 7 to Kennessaw?  either KSU six, which is probable or PC is ready to go this year.  Looking at their roster its not as bad as I thought it would be after last years, ugh, whatever last year was...

Any word on any other teams in the conferences and their scrimmages/exhibitions?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 11, 2013, 05:38:44 PM
Piedmont did not look to bad ....perhaps last year is already forgotten.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on November 12, 2013, 11:00:19 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 09, 2013, 10:33:57 PM
PC loses by 7 to Kennessaw?  either KSU six, which is probable or PC is ready to go this year.  Looking at their roster its not as bad as I thought it would be after last years, ugh, whatever last year was...

Any word on any other teams in the conferences and their scrimmages/exhibitions?

Ferrum had an exhibition at High Point tonight and had a tough time of it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 14, 2013, 05:03:29 PM
yea Ferrum is probably down from last year but High Point usually stinks.  Cant wait for tomorrow. I hate hate hate Centre.  They stink and they're nasty and they stink.  Go Scots don't mess it up and lose.  I hate Centre. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 16, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
I watched both the Murvul and the Lagrange game and it was 2 different stories.  Guilford is a tough place to win but LC played great.  Murvul had more talent than Centre and just got beat down.  Murvul game was tough to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 16, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 16, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
I watched both the Murvul and the Lagrange game and it was 2 different stories.  Guilford is a tough place to win but LC played great.  Murvul had more talent than Centre and just got beat down.  Murvul game was tough to watch.

LC won today without its star center...tough opener but look forward to the rest of the season...Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 17, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
Wallace and McGreal are a championship combo.  Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 18, 2013, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 17, 2013, 02:17:35 PM
Wallace and McGreal are a championship combo.  Go Panthers

Agree 100%
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 20, 2013, 09:00:39 AM
congratulations Piedmont on a nice little win.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 20, 2013, 09:22:33 PM
NO Toccoa Falls is not a nice little win and Pensacola Christian is a bad loss for Lagrange.  Lagrange obviously had a let down game after a tough road trip, oh well move on, its not a conference or a south region game for either team.  PC has 3 nice little games ahead with TMC, Berry and OU.  TMC would be a nice win over a scholarship school and the other 2 would just be great for them.  Lagrange will bounce back and crush Sewanee.

While Pensacola Christian is a really good christian basketball school, it is still not a D3 school and that makes it a tough loss.  Wallace and McGreal will get things going this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 21, 2013, 08:19:20 AM
Stopped by the say hi to my old GSAC friends!  Glad to see everyone doing well in the USA South.  FISK basketball is doing fairly well in the NAIA.  The men's team just defeated #22 ranked Martin Methodist on their court a few days ago for a (3-4) record.  They should be be (6-1) after having lost 3 close games. We have a returning 6-8 All-American Darrell Miller that is averaging a double double.  The women's team is also (3-4) and have the NAIA Division I leading scorer in junior Stevonna Scott with a 29.4 avg per game!   
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 21, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: bballlover on August 07, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
Piedmont schedule is up:http://www.piedmontlions.com/news/2013/8/6/MBB_0806131939.aspx?path=mbball
Hope the Lions can complete their season this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 21, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
Hey Wilburt!

Nice to read your name and post.  Hope you are well. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 21, 2013, 10:47:00 PM
Wilburt
MC had a nice win over Johnson tonight and one of the parents played football at Knoxville College years ago.  Was KC a rival for FU years ago?

Nice to hear from Wilburt, NAIA might be a better fit for Fisk with athletic scholarships, but we sure miss them in the GSAC or USASouth South or whatever you want to call it.  Glad to hear they are doing well.  They should be able to compete well with their location in Nashville for recruiting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 22, 2013, 07:59:37 AM
Wait a minute. Piedmont can't have a nice win over Toccoa Falls but, Maryville can have a nice win over Johnson? lol
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: wilburt on November 22, 2013, 08:19:52 AM
MattGrubb:

Yes KC was an historic rival of FISK and used to be members in the same conference (SIAC) for several decades. In fact the conference FISK is in now (GCAC) is comprised of many former historic rivals from the (SIAC) as well!  The NAIA is indeed a better fit and the coaches (for all sports) are recruiting athletes nationally and in some cases internationally.  The men's bball team signed 5 players from Michigan over the past 2 years.  The men's and women's track team have signed athletes from Cailfornia for example.   

Glad to see that everyone is doing well in the USA South.  Good Luck everyone on a fine season!  Happy Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 22, 2013, 10:06:01 AM
So Grubby One, I think bballover has a point.  Johnson did not put up much resistance....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 22, 2013, 06:08:49 PM
Bballlover, maybe I just think more about PC's team than MC's.  Maybe that was an accomplishment for MC to beat Johnson.

I also understand those are proximity games as in all those schools are neighbors basically and playing a game without travel is nice at the collegiate level, while basically a waste of time basketball wise.

We will get a good idea of what this MC team is capable of on Saturday against NAIA Bryan College.  They are going to have problems stopping Bryan's 6'2" post player.  Which is a great example of how Doug Collins calls toughness a talent and Barkley says "you either got dog in ya or your don't"  This kid for the Bryan Lions has both Dog and Toughness.

Oh I can't wait, We will know all the expectations for this season tomorrow. Go Scots!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 23, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
Grubby one, you are right about Brandon Cole.  What a load he was.  If the Scots had shot better....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 23, 2013, 10:45:59 PM
If is for losers, winners get it the job done and go on to mischief....

tough one for the scots today, but it will be tough until they toughen up and deal with not accepting losing
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on November 24, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
the monarchs are off to a slow start (1-4), but bryan hockaday is playing his backside off...averaging 13.8 ppg and 14.2 rpg after a 22 and 16 night tonight...4 double/doubles in 5 games

mu has the odac portion of their schedule coming up, with games against randoph, vwc and guilford in succession
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2013, 10:01:21 PM
OUCH Methodist has a tough stretch ahead but they will be ready for USA South play

The scots roll to Georgia this weekend and are going to have a tough weekend

Wallace and McGreal are going to do big things.  I can feel it
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Clutch on November 26, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
congratulations for another nice win Piedmont.....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 26, 2013, 06:06:32 PM
Now that is nice win for the PC Lions.  Nice Job.  Looks like they are back.  I remember a day when the PC Lions were quite a good basketball team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 27, 2013, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: wilburt on November 21, 2013, 08:19:20 AM
Stopped by the say hi to my old GSAC friends!  Glad to see everyone doing well in the USA South.  FISK basketball is doing fairly well in the NAIA.  The men's team just defeated #22 ranked Martin Methodist on their court a few days ago for a (3-4) record.  They should be be (6-1) after having lost 3 close games. We have a returning 6-8 All-American Darrell Miller that is averaging a double double.  The women's team is also (3-4) and have the NAIA Division I leading scorer in junior Stevonna Scott with a 29.4 avg per game!
+1 ! Wilburt!  Thanks for dropping in!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 01, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
well, the scots are not good, 1-4, but basically 0-4 since Johnson U. doesn't count.  They are at Sewanee and then home against Berry.  Gotta be 3-4 after those two.  but they will play to the level of their competition and probably steal 1 of them.  At what point do the fans start wearing paper bags on their heads to games?

Nice little split for the Panthers, Emory is tough, i like what Wallace and McGreal have going on down there.  Hope they can hold on to this young talent.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 08, 2013, 11:33:44 AM
Did not have to wear the paper bag yesterday.  Scots looked like they cared how it came out, esp. in the first half.  Someone woke Oscar up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2013, 04:52:16 PM
yea, i watched the game.  16 and 16 doesn't just happen.  looked like both Joey and Oscar got the message.  I don't think Berry is very good but they are the same as Oglethorpe, Sewanee, and Bryan.  bout time they did something.  Oh well, they have not entered conference play and if they got the message that you have to go out and take it, then they could still win their conference.

I have not taken my paper bag off yet, I will wait till they have a winning record.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on December 08, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 08, 2013, 04:52:16 PM
yea, i watched the game.  16 and 16 doesn't just happen.  looked like both Joey and Oscar got the message.  I don't think Berry is very good but they are the same as Oglethorpe, Sewanee, and Bryan.  bout time they did something.  Oh well, they have not entered conference play and if they got the message that you have to go out and take it, then they could still win their conference.

I have not taken my paper bag off yet, I will wait till they have a winning record.

So this is how the football team made people feel all those years...
Ouch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2013, 10:22:48 PM
Yes. For years we denied murvul had a football team. Much like we have been doing with the basketball team the past few weeks.

Fortunately the basketball coach has been to the tournament more than once and there is always the conference tournament.  These guys might go through puberty soon and then they will be fine. They will be playing as good as Coach Hernandez's hair looks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 08, 2013, 10:36:56 PM
But his hair looked that way last week, too.  Or maybe you were not suggesting a relationship....

Can sophomores go through puberty?  The juniors seem to have at least entered it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on December 08, 2013, 11:12:56 PM
I think Coach Lambert finally may have said the right thing to them, but I'm sure they've heard whatever he said more than once before in over 2+ years of being in the program. Praying it's not just a one game thing. They have the talent to be contenders..

The guys have 3 more games before conference play begins. Hopefully we can get to 5-5 before a 4 game home stretch.

One more thing. Just finished watching the archived Berry game. I was slightly impressed with the freshmen that played, especially Jackson's ball handling ability.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 09, 2013, 10:43:24 AM
Antonio Jackson is fun to watch and as quick as any Scot I remember.  And Gee seems pretty skilled, too.

If the upperclass guys can maintain seriousness about this, they could be good for more than a few minutes at a time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 09, 2013, 03:30:54 PM
Well I won't like anything until they are able to compete with teams from up north again. There are some teams that have had some success from the south region including Murvul but for the most part the north is where the good D3 action is at. The scots don't look like they could compete in the MIAA, CCIW, or most other northern conferences. Not tough enough. Murvul a athleticism is top notch, but their toughness is bottom notch and that is why they are struggling. Until they show consistent toughness, there are no bright spots.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 09, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
Have Scots teams ever had the toughness you think they need? Any southern teams?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 09, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
Yes
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 10, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
Well Guilford is 7-0 and in the top 25.  I think that shows how good Lagrange could be this year.  The championship caliber duo of Wallace and McGreal will have them right after christmas.  They sure played GC tough at GC in the first game of the year.  With the exception of the pensacola christian loss, the panthers are doing what they need to do.

There are only 2 teams with winning records in the conference right now, that doesn't say a lot for the strength of the conference, well, yea it does.  Can you say one automatic bid only!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 10, 2013, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 10, 2013, 10:36:25 AM
Well Guilford is 7-0 and in the top 25.  I think that shows how good Lagrange could be this year.  The championship caliber duo of Wallace and McGreal will have them right after christmas.  They sure played GC tough at GC in the first game of the year.  With the exception of the pensacola christian loss, the panthers are doing what they need to do.

There are only 2 teams with winning records in the conference right now, that doesn't say a lot for the strength of the conference, well, yea it does.  Can you say one automatic bid only!
Better win the USASAC tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 11, 2013, 10:47:23 AM
I'm calling it now. Murvul Scots win the USASAC tourney. Big news coming soon from Murvul. Gonna be a big weekend in Lexington for the scots. Should be a couple of big wins and another step on the right track. 

I think the scots are like Mr Coach Klein from the Waterboy. They may have found their manhood. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 11, 2013, 08:52:46 PM
So RDL finally bought your toughness potion!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 11, 2013, 10:09:42 PM
No, but they sure did get a big shot of testosterone in the arm con mi compadre con queso!!!!

Looking at the composite conference schedule, I would have to say that Methodist and Lagrange are the 2 best teams in the conference right now.  Methodist looks like they have some respectable wins based on the reputation of some of the teams they have beaten, not necessarily this years teams.  I like Methodist.  I like Lagrange but they look like they are relying on big nights out of 2 or 3 players to win and I mean one of those guys going off for near 30.  Oh well, with 3 guys they have spread the risk.

I can't wait for conference play to begin!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 13, 2013, 08:07:29 AM
Anyone from Methodist (read narch) going to make the Guilford game in Greensboro tomorrow afternoon?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 15, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Wow what a game between Methodist and Guilford.

Lagrange or Methodist need to get Guilford at home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 16, 2013, 08:07:11 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 15, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Wow what a game between Methodist and Guilford.

Lagrange or Methodist need to get Guilford at home.
As I noted on the ODAC site, it was a good game ... not sure why Methodist is only 2-6.  Guilford and Methodist have played each other yearly for a long time ... it's the Quakers turn to go to Fayetteville next season.  According to the GC game recap, Guilford's won 13 in a row in the series.  I'm not sure if Guilford and Lagrange had ever played before.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 16, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
Methodist is 2-6 b/c they have played a very strong non conference schedule including Emory, Guilford, and Va Wesleyan. They have also lost some close games. Those loses will turn into easy victories during conference play this year. Fayetteville is a tough place to play and it looks like MU has played the kind of non conference schedule needed to get ready to win the USASAC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 17, 2013, 10:35:21 AM
Guilford travels to Rocky Mount tonight to play NC Wesleyan ... last game for the Quakes until the 28th and 29th at RMC's classic.  In the Ashland event, the Quakers and the Yellow Jackets alternate games with Dickinson and Birmingham-Southern, both of whom currently only have one loss.

NCWC is 4-4.  Against the bible colleges, the Bishops are 4-0, but 0-4 against more traditional competition.  They have two wins against Mid-Atlantic Christian, which I think used to be called Roanoke (NC) Bible College.  Guilford played RBC a couple of times about 10 years ago and they were the worst collegiate level team I think I had ever seen.  A third win is against Bob Jones University ... I didn't realize they played intercollegiate sports.

Dickinson is 6-1 with games against 4-3 CUA tonight and 5-2 Alvernia tomorrow.

BSU is also 6-1, including a 90-42 win last night over Huntingdon. Are the Panthers that good or are the 0-6 Hawks that bad?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 17, 2013, 09:58:09 PM
the hawks are bad.  Real Bad.  I don't think NCWC is much better, we will see.

The scots win in double overtime over Capital?  What?  They are supposed to lose the close ones?  Maybe they have gotten the message.  Nice win.  Looks like Oscar has woken up with another strong game.  Hopefully they can get a nice W tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 18, 2013, 01:38:19 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 16, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
Methodist is 2-6 b/c they have played a very strong non conference schedule including Emory, Guilford, and Va Wesleyan. They have also lost some close games. Those loses will turn into easy victories during conference play this year. Fayetteville is a tough place to play and it looks like MU has played the kind of non conference schedule needed to get ready to win the USASAC.
i wish i shared your optimism...mu has played a similarly difficult schedule every year - this year, only one of their opponents is under .500 (roanoke) and owp is currently .667...even their exhibition opponent (unc wilmington) is currently at .500 - unfortunately, the monarchs haven't finished at or above .500 themselves (in conference or otherwise) since 2007-2008...i'd like to think that a tough non-conference slate has prepared them to win the conference, but history tells me that it's prepared them to be around .500 in conference - i hope i'm wrong and you're right, though

as an aside, the monarchs remaining non-conference schedule is 4-4 connecticut college and 8-0 messiah...so it doesn't get any easier - at least the monarchs get to play 12 home games this year (as opposed to as few as 8 or 9 in some previous seasons...thank you, usasac, for expanding) - of course, five of those games are played when students are gone (1 over thanksgiving break and four over the holiday break), negating some of the home-court advantage...

on the plus side, bryan hockaday is putting in work - he is averaging 12.6 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 2.4 bpg and is shooting almost 50% from the field - he has 5 double/doubles in 8 games
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on December 18, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 17, 2013, 09:58:09 PM
the hawks are bad.  Real Bad.  I don't think NCWC is much better, we will see.

The scots win in double overtime over Capital?  What?  They are supposed to lose the close ones?  Maybe they have gotten the message.  Nice win.  Looks like Oscar has woken up with another strong game.  Hopefully they can get a nice W tomorrow.

Check the box score online. Scots gave away win in regulation at free throw line, had to rally in first overtime. Finally hit free throws in 2nd OT to win. They shot better from the floor (56 percent) than the foul line (54) until they hit the last seven in a row. How often does that happen?

Could take it as they got tougher to pull it out, getting clutch 3 to go to second OT or that they caved in final minute of regulation at foul line.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 18, 2013, 09:34:21 PM
Yea they tried to lose against capital but failed at losing.  Now they beat Transylvania at home. Neither team has a winning record but I think the Return of the Jedi Master to the scots bench is the reason. I know it's corny but winning these classics/tourneys is key to having a great season.

Btw attention Pat Coleman oh wizard of the D3 please look at Jaumonee Byrd. He is averaging 18 pts and 9 boards. He is the best player I have seen at Murvul in 10 years. He is a sophomore with those numbers.  He needs to be on the All American radar.  I'm not saying lock it in, I'm saying the kid is really good and we know what good players look like at Murvul.  They don't have the record they need but that is quickly improving.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 18, 2013, 10:59:15 PM
Where has the Jedi Master been? 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 01, 2014, 09:53:39 PM
i can't wait for conference play to begin this weekend.  i might actually go to a game.  Any excuse to get out of the house.  I am excited about the way the scots are playing with the return of the Placeres.  They had a little slip up the other night but that was at and NAIA school and they shouldn't beat them anyway.  Conference play is where it all happens. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
scots looked good over the cougars last night.  Placeres is back and the scots are responding.  Other than the post game shooting display by the sigmund kids, the highlight of the night was Oscar Butler.  The scots should have their 2nd conference win in another 20 minutes of conference play over FC.  They are starting off right and they have a balanced attack.  Looks like 2014 will be better than 2013
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 05, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
well things opened up as predicted but not as expected.  Murvul got 2 nice home wins, as they are preseason fave to win the league.  Its hard to believe the conference player of the year will be a sophomore but thats how the ball bounces.  Is this a one bid conference, well the best overall record is held by the Maker of Men at Lagrange at 6-5.  I still want to see Methodist play, but it is going to be rough for any team to win the auto bid without winning the league as the winner hosts conference tourney.

Coach P is the missing link, Coach Hernandez should shave his head and mullet to be more like the great Coach P.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 07, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
Coach P has been a coach for a lot longer than Coach H....Maybe there are things about coaching that you have to learn by doing as well as by watching other coaches and being coached.

Who turned Mr. Burris into a serious contributor?

Looks from box scores like a couple of people who were getting minutes as freshmen have vanished....any info, Grubby One?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 08, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 05, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
well things opened up as predicted but not as expected.  Murvul got 2 nice home wins, as they are preseason fave to win the league.  Its hard to believe the conference player of the year will be a sophomore but thats how the ball bounces.  Is this a one bid conference, well the best overall record is held by the Maker of Men at Lagrange at 6-5.  I still want to see Methodist play, but it is going to be rough for any team to win the auto bid without winning the league as the winner hosts conference tourney.

Coach P is the missing link, Coach Hernandez should shave his head and mullet to be more like the great Coach P.

Patrick Dugger has a really great chance to be POY
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 10, 2014, 03:30:26 PM
After a pretty good win against Sewanee this week can the Lions of Piedmont pick up a conference win this weekend? We shall see. GO LIONS
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 10, 2014, 11:23:41 PM
Scots had to fight their way out of a pretty deep hole to beat Greensboro;  they are pretty good when they really try but not so good when they don't.  Without J.P. Burris, they would have lost.  Who knew he would have a senior year so unlike his first three?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 11, 2014, 11:47:19 PM
Hey Narch...are you out there?   MU seems to have some talented players but mostly relies on one-on-one matchups and not so much team ball.  Maryville has the advantage of this scheduling arrangement this year of playing the Greensboro-Methodist-Ferrum-Averett squads only at home so who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2014, 11:39:11 AM
Scottiedoug. I agree with you 100% percent.  The scots have 4 home wins. Lagrange has 2 road wins. The scots have the easier schedule this year but you still have to win. The scots have at least 3 guys off the bench who could lead the team to victory. When you count the always explosive shoffner, the well round game of Butler, and the raw dominance of J Byrd, the Scots are looking good. Although, they are still mentally weak and easily out hustled, they are slowly learning to win.

As a guy who said the scots were not capable of winning a lot of games with Burris starting, I am more than happy to eat those words. The kid has worked very hard and grown tremendously. While most of his growth is mental, that is the toughest kind. He has had the ability, just lacked the confidence. His toughness and leadership is exactly what the scots need. BTW did I mention he moved to a new position this year?

I still would not bet on this scots team yet as we don't know exactly who is going to show up on a daily basis but they are getting close
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 12, 2014, 04:45:57 PM
Mr Grubby:  I agree that J.P. has a new mentality but he also seems to have a new body and speed.  Coach L. told me that J.P. since last spring has worked his tail off with the trainer and reshaped himself sort of along the lines Greg H. did after his freshman year.

He seems to me to be bringing some of the fire and attitude you were observing as lacking last year and earlier this one.

I think it is a great example of what leadership can look like and bring to a team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2014, 05:55:24 PM
Scottiedoug
Agreed.  Now i wonder how much better J Byrd can get and that thought scares me.  Just look ahead to next year with C Ford, Shoff, Oscar, Joey, J Byrd and Antonio.  WOW!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 12, 2014, 11:16:18 PM
Maybe J Bird will take inspiration from J.P. and his longhaired coach.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
Scots are 6-0 in the conference after a terrible showing in the pre conference schedule.  Nice.  10-6 sounds a lot better than 1-5.  I guess Coach P's return is making a difference.  Now onto the southern division.  Its time for the Scots to sweep the old GSAC.  I can't wait.  toughest game on the schedule is always Lagrange because of their amazing coaching staff.  LC took a tough one on the chin last night but maybe they can bounce back today.  I look forward to watching the game. 

I think the real test of how good Murvul is will be the BSC game on 1/29.  Even though BSC has some of the same bad losses as MC, it is a road game for the scots and will be a good test.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 19, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
Beating Ferrum by 20 qualifies as bouncing back for LaGrange, dontcha think?
Should be an entertaining month or so.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2014, 03:08:21 PM
The force is strong in the LC coaching staff.  If any USASAC head coaching jobs become available they should take a long hard look at D. McGreal.  Im not trying to steal Coach Wallace's right hand man, but the guy can coach.

No one can have my Coach P, his services are not on the table.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 26, 2014, 09:59:38 AM
I am so glad Sheila Evans is back with the scots dance team.  her enrolling in mini term this january has really lifted the scots athletics program as a whole but as always she has given a tremendous boost to the men's basketball team.  Some think it is the return of Coach P and they may have a little impact but we all know the Sheila effect.  I am really looking forward to the Scots running the table the rest of the season and then hosting the conference tournament.  That means we get more home games to watch sheila dance. 

Life is only getting better.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2014, 01:19:14 PM
Maybe the Grubby One should endow a position for Sheila....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2014, 08:50:09 PM
http://www.mcscots.com/recreation/dance-team

2012-13?   ???   ::)

I think that the Grubby One should pay for the SID to update the Dance Team web page!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2014, 03:34:58 PM
yes Ralph
if you will notice the dance team is not covered by the wonderful SID Eric Etchison.  So it is a little behind the times.  But to prove Sheila is there, the scots are 7-0 in 2014...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2014, 11:01:24 AM
+1! Grubby one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2014, 11:12:30 PM
Well, Maryville (Tenn) is back to being good ole Murvul at 12-6 and dominating their conference as usual.  So, i think it is fitting that they get consideration for an All American candidate.  I therefore nominate J Byrd.  See the stats.  Pat Coleman, I am going to need your help on this buddy.  As usual, the trip to the great smokey mountains is a great one and comes through Murvul.  I might have some hook ups if you need a place to crash and need a good time in Gatlinburg.  We could get you a Murvul Scots airbrush T shirt.  Are we allowed to give the creator of this site perks for his evaluation of great players?  So, it is always an open invite to Appalachia. 

On a side note Pat, the site looks great but I still miss the old parkay wood floor background.  Ahh, nostalgia.

Speaking of wood floors, my job is not done until maryville college athletics realizes the need to rename their court, The Lambert/Placeres Court at Boydson Baird Gymnasium.  Coach P has come back with a vengeance.  He has brought his winning attitude, that was on vacation last year, and it has been contagious with these young men.  The best part is most of them are coming back next year.  Along with Coach P and his new title of Associate Head Coach and a nice raise for his services.  The best part of Coach P's return has been the old Randy Lambert swagger that is back in his stride since they are back on the right track.  Coach Lambert is back to strutting around his court instead of walking with his head down trying not to be noticed.  It is nice to see he still has it.  I think these guys can focus in, keep improving, and might even see an NCAA tournament bid that they earn on their own and what it feels like.  I just really hope they don't wear those orange socks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2014, 11:33:31 PM
Yeah, Grubby One, maybe these Scots are growing up to become habitual winners.  They are certainly playing better.  And J Byrd seems to be working hard to use that talent most of the time he is on the court.  They seem to have caught on to the use of assists and to taking whatever the other team gives them.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 06, 2014, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 02, 2014, 11:12:30 PM
Well, Maryville (Tenn) is back to being good ole Murvul at 12-6 and dominating their conference as usual.
i think the scots 9-0 record in conference is more of an indictment of usasac basketball than an endorsement for m'ville - they are clearly the best team in the conference, but this year, that isn't saying much - what is more scary than this year is how young m'ville is...just 2 seniors get double digit minutes and lots of underclassmen in the regular rotation and the best player, j. byrd, is just a sophomore - this team could make noise outside of the conference for the next few years...

unfortunately, my fear that the tough non-conference schedule the monarchs played would do little good in conference is true...they are sitting at 5-5 in conference, with 5 winnable games left...at ferrum, at peace, then home games vs. averett and ncwc (both 1 point road losses for mu) and home vs. ferrum to end the season - hockaday has had a nice senior campaign, averaging 13ppg, 12 rpg and 2 bpg so far, corbett has been a nice surprise as a frosh, averaging almost 11 ppg and hilliard has stepped up his scoring and cut down on turnovers, but there hasn't been consistent production from anyone else this year - this could possibly be the second best team in the conference, but they simply haven't been able to put it all together for whatever reason...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 07, 2014, 10:50:25 AM
I think narch is right for now.  For example, I know the GC Quakers haven't played Maryville this season, but they're 6-0 against the USASAC and, at 15-5 (9-2), are not a great team.  We've lost some pretty embarrassing games against decent teams.  Pretty obvious the USASAC will get one team in this season, so better win the tournament. The Scots, however, do appear to have a very promising future.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 07, 2014, 12:05:08 PM
The Scots are certainly better than they were last year and the best team in the league, but I am not sure what that means this year.  Methodist is the best team in the conf to play at Maryville this year,  I do not know if the Scots are tough enough to win vs. top ODAC schools and the likes of Wooster.  The foundation is there, so bringing in a few really top recruits can set in place several years of Scots success.  Still, even returning to the habits of the past will not get much success nationally. 

Whaddya think Grubby one?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2014, 04:28:44 PM
Well ya the scots are back to being good ole Murvul, beating up on a weak conference and getting basically getting an automatic bid as they the received a pool B bid for years.  It has been since 2006 since they won an NCAA tournament game I believe?  A lot of one and dones in the dance.  They are essentially playing the same schedule they did for years in the GSAC. 

Now, This team is loaded with talent and is finally learning to play together and play tough.  Yes they have lots of good young talent and will return almost everyone next year.  And yes, J Byrd is a sophomore and that kid is really good.

I really enjoyed watching the scots beat Lagrange yesterday.  LC is a tough team with a lot of talent.  LC plays harder than Murvul and Murvul had to match their intensity and physical play.  When the scots learn to play consistently with that kind of toughness and aggressiveness then they will be able to progress and be able to compete with top ODAC, SAA, SCAC teams.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 09, 2014, 04:41:03 PM
Learning to play at the level required to compete nationally without playing really good teams in conference is hard to do.  The Scots played teams that are having good years early this year and lost to them (Oglethorpe, Centre, Emory) but that was a long time ago.

Their schedule being what it is, they will have to win the USASouth tournament to get a bid to the NCAA, and tournaments are not so easy to win....there are a couple of teams that could knock them off if the Scots have a bad outing or if someone gets really hot.  LaGrange, for instance, could be trouble and probably will be at their place, and Methodist could be trouble, too. And Huntingdon suddenly is beating people, including Birmingham Southern.

Mr Grubby is right that they need to get consistently tough and aggressive for whole games, which they have not done much of.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2014, 09:33:20 PM
Well the Scots won at BSC, the nicest gym in the south region, tonight.  They beat a team who was previously unbeaten at home.  Great Road win for the Scots tonight.  Looks like they have a big 3 now and 2 of them are sophomores.  Now, they have to win their conference tourney or its all for not....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 16, 2014, 07:23:21 PM
Daddy doesn't like to see his scots lose, but neither does he like to see the LC Panthers lose.  Great game today.  I know Coach Wallace: Maker of Men; Disciple of Defense was ecstatic.

Things are setting up nicely for the USA south Tournament
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 17, 2014, 10:27:39 AM
It was a great game, at least on the computer.  Patrick Duggins is a load to defend.  Scots need to win the next two and get back into the habit of winning the close ones.  It would have been hard to beat the Panthers three times anyway....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 19, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
the monarchs get a second OT win over peace last night...amazing that mu has needed two OT periods against a second year program

question for anyone who might be in the know...both the usasac and d3hoops.com sites list the monarchs conference record at 9-14/6-6, but the mu site lists them at 9-14/7-6 and when i look at the schedule (even on d3hoops.com), mu has played 13 teams that are in the usasac and has a 7-6 record in those games - is it possible that one of those games against conference teams is not counting in the conference standings?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 19, 2014, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: narch on February 19, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
the monarchs get a second OT win over peace last night...amazing that mu has needed two OT periods against a second year program

question for anyone who might be in the know...both the usasac and d3hoops.com sites list the monarchs conference record at 9-14/6-6, but the mu site lists them at 9-14/7-6 and when i look at the schedule (even on d3hoops.com), mu has played 13 teams that are in the usasac and has a 7-6 record in those games - is it possible that one of those games against conference teams is not counting in the conference standings?
The schedule on the Methodist athletics website doesn't have the second Averett game marked as a conference game. It looks like everyone has 14 conference games total so maybe that one was scheduled as a non-conference game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 19, 2014, 05:05:53 PM
After looking at it for a bit it looks like the conference schedule was basically set up as two divisions:

West/South
Covenant
Huntingdon
LaGrange
Maryville
Piedmont

East/North
Averett
Ferrum
Greensboro
Methodist
NC Wesleyan
William Peace

If you go with two games against everyone in your division and one against everyone in the other division, for the West/South that comes out to 14 games but for the East/North you get 15. It looks like they decided to not count one game of the East/North matchups to make it 14 for everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 22, 2014, 09:44:06 PM
the monarchs finish off the regular season at 10-15, 7-7 after beating ferrum today...hockaday went out in style, going for 18 and 15 and hitting a long 3 at the first half buzzer
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 22, 2014, 11:27:28 PM
Narch...are you coming to TN for the tournament?  Anybody else?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 23, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 22, 2014, 11:27:28 PM
Narch...are you coming to TN for the tournament?  Anybody else?
no, i won't be there...i've moved on to spring sports :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 26, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
so bryan hockaday is a second teamer?...despite having 17 double/doubles on the season and ranking in the top 10 nationally in rebounds per game and double/doubles on the season...oh, and he is top 10 in the conference in scoring and averaging 2 blocks per game (2nd in the conference) - i would have made him a first-teamer, but i am a bit biased

of course, the top 5 scorers in the league were voted 1st teamers...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 27, 2014, 08:23:11 PM
great headline...
Third-Seeded Huntingdon Stuns No. 6 Methodist, 92-89, in USA South Men's Basketball Tournament

how does the 6th seed losing to the 3rd seed qualify as stunning :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on February 28, 2014, 01:08:58 PM
the echo in this room is deafening as i type...where is everyone?

what is stunning about the tournament? that the hawks and lagrange were the only two higher seeds to win and that m'ville is out of the tournament...i'm quite surprised by that turn of events

i imagine the scots fans will be pulling for lagrange...

as an aside, did anyone see hockaday's line yesterday? 19 points, 14 rebounds, six assists and five blocked shots...second teamer, huh?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 28, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
Narch,

I do not understand how the awards and all-conference teams were selected.  Hockaday is a very good player and should have been first team.

Looking forward to watching the Panthers play at 5PM and at 7PM.  I honestly believe that LC women have a really good chance at beating Maryville and the men's game at 7 should be a great one.  Greensboro College is a very good team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
Coach Lambert was quoted in the Daily Times as saying Greensboro played harder than Maryville.  He was right.  Hard to figure this one, although Greensboro at full strength is quite good.  So, apparently, in LaGrange.  Must be the coaching legacy.  But wait,....

I thought the Scots had learned what it takes to win.  Maybe next year....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 01, 2014, 04:14:43 PM
Way to go Panthers! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2014, 12:28:20 PM
I agree.  I hope the Panthers represent the league well, and I know they will.  It took much of the game for it to happen, but LaGrange at the end showed who the better team was in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
congrats lagrange
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 03, 2014, 10:31:03 AM
If my calculations are correct, there is only one site within 500 miles for LaGrange College and that would be Centre.  Emory will not host since they did not win their automatic bid and I don't see any other teams from the deep south making it in.  It might be possible that Birmingham Southern would get in over Emory but that is a long shot. 

Do you think they put LC at Centre and Emory or do they send us flying to another destination?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 03, 2014, 01:27:35 PM
Looks like I was wrong about that.  I still don't understand how Emory got a bye over Centre.  This one is has my head spinning.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 03, 2014, 07:56:41 PM
Emory was higher ranked with a far better SOS than Centre... not sure what you are missing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 03, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
I need a Lagrange win over Centre.  They can cause a lot of havoc in tournament basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2014, 11:09:20 AM
I agree with Mr. Grubby.  It will be great fun if LaGrange wins a few.  Hire coaches from Maryville and do well!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2014, 05:40:04 PM
Thanks for the nice feature on LaGrange!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 07, 2014, 11:09:23 AM
LaGrange gave Centre all they could handle, according to "reports" on D3Hoops.  Congratulations on a good year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 07, 2014, 09:26:38 PM
I was at the LC/Centre game it was fantastic.  Both teams played lights out and very hard.  I can handle a loss when the both teams play an A+ game. 

Centre just happened to make two more plays than LaGrange down the stretch and that was the difference.  Great season for the Panthers and I can't wait for next season.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: PantherGuy on March 08, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
Congrats to LaGrange and Coach Wallace on a fantastic season!!!  Our guys showed toughness throughout the season and you are correct "Ben" it was a great matchup between the Panthers and Centre.

I really enjoyed going to the USA-South Championship game at Maryville the week before.  Always fun going back to East Tennessee. It was particularly touching seeing Coach Wallace's mentor, MC Head Coach Randy Lambert, give Wallace a big hug after the game.  Coach Lambert did a great job getting Coach Wallace ready to become a head coach. 

It was, however, ironic the championship was won at Maryville and especially won in front of MC's athletic director Kandis Schram who went out of her way to make Coach Wallace's stay as an assistant coach very difficult.  Maryville has had alot of success despite Schram being their AD and alot of credit has to go to Randy Lambert who was the AD for 20 years before stepping down just to coach basketball.  But you can see Lambert still drives that athletic department.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 09, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
What could an AD do to keep an assistant coach who has been offered or wants a good head coaching opportunity?  I guess she could fire Randy and promote Kendall.  Sure.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 11, 2014, 10:29:32 PM
Congrats to Coaches Wallace, McGreal, and Watson.  What a great season for the Panthers.  Now they have tasted a little blood and they will work even harder this off season to get better and make the league better.  It was a great win for those guys to win at their home.  It was great to see them as they will always be family.  I watched the game online and was very proud of their effort but everyone knows it is HARD to win on the road in the NCAA tourney.  Heck, its hard to win at home in the tourney.  Heres to many more successful seasons for the Panthers.

Now, I will have to quit referring to Coach Wallace as the disciple of defense after reading his interview before the Centre game.  I will have a new tag line for him soon.

Also, Schram aint doin a bad job.  Randy never had a football team go to the playoffs when he was there.  It has to be tough for her to work in the shadows of Lambert.  And believe that is a big shadow.  That head can block out the sun.  I know Randy does everything to support her and the entire athletic family.  It was tough for her to manage 2 legends on that men's basketball bench cause Wallace is a legend in the making.

Also, guess what J-Byrd was a sophomore this year so to close out this year with a little hint of whats to come for next year I will quote Beyonce' "I don't think you're ready fo' this jelly"  Go Scots!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2014, 11:47:06 PM
I am already looking forward to next year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2014, 04:07:29 PM
Mr. Grubby's lobbying for JBird must have been the secret ingredient that got him first team All-South as a soph.  Not bad work!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 20, 2014, 11:44:54 AM
Maryville announced 11 recruits for men's basketball, all freshmen-to-be.  Hard to tell from the press, but Coach Lambert's comments suggest that several of them could help pretty quickly and that several will need some time.  A familar story!

They are from TN, GA, and Alabama, mostly.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on August 06, 2014, 11:42:15 AM
Cant wait to see who actually shows up on campuses soon.  Commitments are great at the D3 level but showing up is most important.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 22, 2014, 09:25:35 AM
I see where the schedules are starting to come out. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 19, 2014, 11:43:35 AM
my scottie dogs are a disappointing 1-1, oh well, first game jitters even though they are upper classmen heavy and the game was at home. I blame coach hernandez. Better be the last home loss of the season.  I will not miss another home game so they will be motivated to impress the grubby one.  Looks like they have a balanced attack on offense.  Hopefully they will pick it up on defense and really blossom.  It is a long season and this team could be special.

I was PC only lost to division 1 PC-presbyterian by 10???  good for them.  I hope the overall strength of the conference is good this year as I want to see some good games!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2014, 11:00:11 PM
Guilford (3-0) over the Pride (1-1) at Greensboro College tonight, 76-65.  GCQ led by 20 in the second half, but GCP did pull within 8 in the last few minutes.  The Quakers had four players in double figures led by Matt McCarthy's 20.  Greensboro had two players in double figures led by Devan Gregory's 27.  I think the key was Guilford's 10 of 22 three-point shooting compared to Greensboro's 5 of 23.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 20, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
I went to Emory and Henry to see the MC Scots dismantle the team picked last in the ODAC and watched a close game instead. Either the Wasps are better than they are supposed to be, or....

Wasps had one player MC could not shut down and he scored 28.  They had a big guy in the middle who was not kind to Jaumanee Byrd, who fouled out having not done much.  Without Tanner Torres or Spencer Shoffner, I would have had to take a lot of crap from my friend at Emory.  Oscar did well on the boards.

It is early yet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 20, 2014, 11:00:57 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 20, 2014, 10:05:48 AM
I went to Emory and Henry to see the MC Scots dismantle the team picked last in the ODAC and watched a close game instead. Either the Wasps are better than they are supposed to be, or....

Wasps had one player MC could not shut down and he scored 28.  They had a big guy in the middle who was not kind to Jaumanee Byrd, who fouled out having not done much.  Without Tanner Torres or Spencer Shoffner, I would have had to take a lot of crap from my friend at Emory.  Oscar did well on the boards.

It is early yet.
E&H surprised some teams at the end of the season last year ... not unexpected to see more progress.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 22, 2014, 11:16:14 PM
Scots hold on to beat Sewanee in OT.  Oscar Butler came up big at the end.  I think he could score many more points than he usually does if he really wanted to....He and Ford, the seniors, were the difference down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2014, 10:10:31 AM
i saw the scots play Johnson U last night and I was impressed in spurts.  What was really impressive was Logan Brewer.  That is a grown man and needs to play like it more.  He reminds me of the old school D3 posts just a big back em down and lay it in type of post.  Nothing flashy just gets the job done.  The scots have a lot of flash but that guy is old school and that is why the old alums love him.  The scots look big and experienced in the post and young and indecisive in other areas.  Although, Shoffner is always entertaining and C Ford looked steady. 

The scots have a test with Oglethorpe and then what will hopefully be a battle with Emory.  Gonna be a very telling weekend.

Other observations, Tom Robinson was there and so was MC dance all star Sheila Evans.  Coach Hernandez's hair looked amazing as always and Coach Lambert is still not wearing a blazer when he coaches!!!!  Happy B-day Coach Placeres.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 25, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
 Piedmont at Sewanee tonight. Huge early test for the young Lions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 25, 2014, 02:39:17 PM
Big Test for Piedmont tonight.  They took the scots to over time in maryville.  Jordan Williams for Sewanee is a true player.

Hope the lions can pull one out tonight on the mountain.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 25, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
Lions pass the test. Win going away. Happy turkey day.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2014, 04:21:53 PM
Kendal Wallace has yet another big task in front of him this year.  Nice little win over oglethorpe.  I predict he will be coach of the year in the USA South as well as a potential Republican Nominee for the white house.  He will, with the help of this trusty sidekick McGreal, transform these young panthers into conference champions.  I hate to be cliche but the maker of me will turn these boys into men.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 30, 2014, 06:50:37 PM
narch, I'm considering a drive to Fayettenam Wednesday night for the GCQ at MU game ... are you going to be there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 30, 2014, 10:08:45 PM
The best part about losing to the 9th ranked team in the country is that it is highlighted at the top of the D3hoops.com scoreboard so everyone sees it.

Tough one for the scots
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 02, 2014, 11:59:16 AM
Guilford is 3-0 versus the USASAC so far, but I realize Wm. Peace, Greensboro and Averett might not be at top of the conference preseason picks ... how are Methodist and NC Wesleyan ... teams still on the Quakers' schedule?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on December 02, 2014, 07:52:41 PM
Upset Alert: Emory and Piedmont are tied 37-37 at halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on December 02, 2014, 08:33:54 PM
Piedmont biggest lead of 2nd half of 8 points with 6:21 left, now a 6-point lead over #6 Emory.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 03, 2014, 07:58:22 AM
Lions hang on for big win. Shout out for Trae Gaines' night off the bench. Oglethorpe up next.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 03, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
See previous Post, the best part about BEATING the #9 team in the country is that everyone hears about it.  Nice work PC Lions, that one has to feel good.  My buddy ref'd the game last night and said it was a barn burner.  This league definitely needs wins like this and more of them.  I hope PC has their ship righted after the deal 2 years ago and are ready to be a solid team in this league.  It looks like they are doing some good things down there in Habersham County.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2014, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: bballlover on December 03, 2014, 07:58:22 AM
Lions hang on for big win. Shout out for Trae Gaines' night off the bench. Oglethorpe up next.
Congratulations!  Nice win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CNU85 on December 03, 2014, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: hasanova on December 03, 2014, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: bballlover on December 03, 2014, 07:58:22 AM
Lions hang on for big win. Shout out for Trae Gaines' night off the bench. Oglethorpe up next.
Congratulations!  Nice win.

Indeed a great win. It is good to see PC back and seemingly strong! Good to see student-athletes given the chance to compete. And also good to see the players giving PC a chance - every one of them had the option of not going there to play ball given the recent circumstances!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on December 03, 2014, 08:27:19 PM
'nova - the mu/gcq game is very competitive right now (mu down 3 with 4 to go)...mu looks to be improved over last year, but a fayetteville boy (and former mu summer school student) johnathan rice is killing mu right now...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 03, 2014, 11:56:29 PM
Quote from: narch on December 03, 2014, 08:27:19 PM
'nova - the mu/gcq game is very competitive right now (mu down 3 with 4 to go)...mu looks to be improved over last year, but a fayetteville boy (and former mu summer school student) johnathan rice is killing mu right now...
Thanks, narch.  I couldn't get away from work in time to go tonight, but saw the last few minutes online.  Rice has been a big plus for the Quakers this year.  Looks like the Monarchs were pretty cold from three going 1-14.  As I'm sure you know, the Quakes pulled out a 72-64 win down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 06, 2014, 05:01:05 PM
scots win
Not pretty but better than an L
a blowout the whole game
Piedmont is at Berry next Sat and can probably expect the same
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 06, 2014, 10:33:10 PM
Berry worked a lot harder in the second half than the Scots, who could have blown a huge lead with a little bad luck.  They seemed a bit flat without Mr. Byrd, who may need to learn to be quiet.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 16, 2014, 08:16:19 AM
Quakers over NC Wesleyan last night in Greensboro, 75-70.  Guilford was led by Rice (16), McCarthy (16) and Hyatt (15) ... Dortch-Jones had 29 for the Bishops, 24 in the 2nd half.  It was truly a game of two halves, with GC winning the first half 47-26 and NCWC the 2nd, 44-28.  Guilford is now 12-5 all-time versus the Bishops and 5-0 on the year versus the USASAC.  Next game is Dec. 29 in the tournament at Catholic.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ecrugger on December 17, 2014, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: marlinpg10 on August 07, 2013, 10:48:10 AM
Yes nik Biberaj is transferring to Old Dominion. Heard he was asked to be a preferred walk-on for the monarchs. Not sure why akid would leave a school where he is the star to go sit on the bench for 2 years but hey some kids just want to say they played division 1

I know this is an old post, but here is a follow-up on a kid following his dream: http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/odu-division-iii-transfer-nik-biberaj-living-his-dream
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 19, 2014, 10:48:13 AM
For no other reason but simple curiosity, I looked up the ODAC versus USASAC results so far ... it's 18-12 ODAC with two games yet to be played:  VWC @ NCWC and EMU @ Piedmont.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 19, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
FYI the EMU / Piedmont game is at Hood.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 19, 2014, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: bballlover on December 19, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
FYI the EMU / Piedmont game is at Hood.
Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 12, 2015, 01:41:40 PM
any idea when they may make up the games that were cancelled over the weekend?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 16, 2015, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 12, 2015, 01:41:40 PM
any idea when they may make up the games that were cancelled over the weekend?
Why were they postponed?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 18, 2015, 11:46:26 PM
Rampant flu, was what I read.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2015, 07:21:09 PM
yes 7 cases of alledgedly the flu but from the way they played this weekend they are obviously having other ailments.

Well you all knew it was coming and It is that time of year when I get to quit hiding my true feelings and cheer for the Lagrange Panthers.  Go Panthers.  They have the best coaching staff in the country.  i will determine the metrics that make them the best.  Now i am waiting on them to win the conference tournament and go to back to the NCAA tournament.  Wallace is a maker of men.  McGreal is by far the best entertainment in college basketball.  And well, the force is strong in Watson but he is still learning how to be awesome like those 2.  BTW, in case anyone is wondering the USASC is an AQ only conference.  That AQ needs to go to my panthers!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2015, 09:59:03 AM
Must be the Maryville women had a different strain of flu since they seem to have gotten over it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2015, 10:57:05 AM
Well, Scottiedoug, I think we all need to get Mackenzie Puckett jerseys to support the girls team cause she delivers and has way more machismo than any of the boys!  I am a huge Coach T fan.  When it comes to the boys, I am going with a coaching staff full of Scots- Lagrange.  Their AD made a great hire with Wallace and even McGreal.  I know Wallace can be a little "exuberant" at times if you were to ask the officials in the USASC, but he knows several key things well.  Hard work, loyalty, respect, and toughness.  Admittedly most of these are great traits for successful mafia guys, but they are also good for basketball players.  I know Wallace has tremendous respect for Lambert as well as I do, but I know those guys love to beat him too.  I can't wait for this years match ups.  I will be in my Red and Black Panthers uniform as I am officially Lagrange's biggest fan now!!!!!  I can't decide if I want a Nick Mitchell, Mark Wagner, or Mike White jersey yet but I am getting one of those jerseys to wear to the games.
The Grubby One is back and fully recharged!  The USA South needs the grubby one.  The GSAC was not near the audience the grubby one needed, although there was some national audience when the scots were grossly overrated during the Alex Bowers Era at MC but if it had been known as what it should have been known as "The Quinn Bradley Era" then it would be right on par.

Last confession, I am the hair consultant and only reason Greg Hernandez's hair looks so amazing every game.

The Grubby One hopes you all have a great day,
The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 20, 2015, 03:52:52 PM
Mr. Grubby:  Do you also launder Greg's very white shirts?

Any of the young Scots have the brass necessary to win close ballgames? 

I'd go for a Mitchell jersey.

See you around!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 21, 2015, 09:32:04 AM
Doug
I got you down for a  Nick Mitchell 44 jersey, we will get Tummel in a Mike White jersey.  That leaves me in a #3 Wagner jersey.  Its gonna be a little tight, but I will make it work.

No I do not launder Gregs shirts.  I have told him thin stripes and small patterns will make him look skinnier but like his players, he doesnt listen.

No, I am not sure there is any brass in the scots locker room right now.  Thats what sux.  Usually the difference in winning and losing is simply doing what the other guy doesnt want to do.  And if you are playing the scots, they dont want to do a lot so its pretty easy to beat them.

I will be releasing another best seller soon:  David McGreal: The College Years !992-1998 an unauthorized biography.  It is a must read for everyone in the USASC.

The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 22, 2015, 11:27:15 AM
Do you have to recruit for the absent brass or is it something one can impart to the unwilling?

Can't wait for the book.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Its like Coach Klein in the Waterboy, they can get their manhood back or earn their brass.

So there has been some backlash on the Grubby One, apparently some of the Scots are saying they are loyal to Lambert etc.  I am not being disloyal to my 2nd favorite coach of all time.  Sorry, Matt O'Connor convinced me to go to Maryville so he is the fave.  I love Lambert. 

I am simply sticking to my principles.  I value winning and loyalty so I am going to give my loyalty to whoever wins the most.

The Grubby One is a simple man with simple principles and right now his principles are leading him to bleed red and black.  Go Panthers!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 22, 2015, 03:58:05 PM
Not having the vast experiences of the Grubby One, I remain a ScotsFirst fan.  Playing really hard really helps win.  If any Scots once thought all you have to do is be a Scot to win, they should have rethought that by now.  A liberal arts education is supposed to teach analysis and adjustment skills.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 22, 2015, 08:57:24 PM
Yes Agreed and while the grubby one has no clue what they teach at Murvul although i have a degree from there, these scots are not learning what I learned while I was there.  Since I refuse to blame coach lambert, i blame the color commentator for the scots:  Kris Sigmund.  This season's record is his fault.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 23, 2015, 01:11:40 PM
Piedmont needs to play well this weekend to stay in the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2015, 05:34:41 PM
Yes, piedmont is still on an amazing run having sat out a year recently!!!  That was a nice signature win over Emory and hopefully a great recruiting tool for them as they try to regain some of the performances that had about 10 years ago.  PC should be able to handle Ferrum fairly easily but the Averett game will a great tell for the young lions.  If they win that game, they have a great shot at a conference title and don't really have more than sophomores!!!!  I know they have some guys that are juniors but not under Coach Neely.  He is doing a great job down there.  I am confident that Coach Wallace and my Panthers will hold their own and hopefully be a stain on the PC schedule.  My panthers also have a good chance at repeating with a trip to the tourney.  Coach Wallace, Coach McGreal and my man Wagner are capable of anything.  Go Panthers.

No one for PC has stats that really jump off the page, but they are balanced.  Looks like England is giving some consistent scoring and rebounding for the lions.  While he is no Mark Wagner, he has to be a contender for All Conference.  The Grubby One will be awarding his own all conference team this year and it is much better than being voted on by the coaches.

Go Panthers!  Buy my book: Greal: The college years 92-98
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 24, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
Not a good day for the Lions at Ferrum yesterday.   And the Grubby One missed one!   Maybe the Scotsmen can borrow Lauren Trent for a few games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 24, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
Yes, the Grubby One has had a rough weekend.  My Panthers took one on the chin.  PC choked.  And my former team actually won a game.  It was a home game against probably the worst team in the conference.  Now NC wes sits atop the conference at 3-1 in a conference where it seems no one wants to win the league, except for NC Wes and maybe William Peace.

But lets take a look at how MC scots aka the real scots of the USASC won today with only 9 bench points in a 77 point performance?  The answer is simple  Mike Lowry and Marcus Burnett aka the 305 Bad Boys.  We all know who is Mike Lowry in that duo!  I know the Mike Lowry of the duo called the play for Oscar to break to the bucket and crush on someone.  The only thing better than the finish was the color commentator's reaction.  It was ooo oo oo ooooh! In a dirty south georgia accent.  That was a nice play against a zone and they moved the ball really will but that zone had more holes in it than my bank account.  They missed him wide open under the basket 3 times before that on that possession.
Not a pretty win but much better than a loss and now they are only a half game back of first place and playing at methodist on monday.

My panthers are at NC Wesleyan.  The bishops play hard and are a scrappy bunch.  If my panthers can match their intensity they have a good chance to get a good win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 27, 2015, 09:29:01 AM
The MC Scots blew a 16 point halftime lead and had 22 turnovers.  Ouch!!!  No Antonio Jackson?  Where is he?  It looks like we need him back ASAP!

here are several key observations:
1.  when you blow a lead like that in high school the bus ride is only 20 minutes home, not 4 long winding hours with a pissed off coach and assistants who can't understand what is wrong with the players.  Thats not a shot at MC, that is almost every college team ever!!!  And just fact.
2.  If a team has 22 turnovers in a game, they need to run the Norman Dale between the chairs dribbling drill and especially the Norman Dale Shotgun passing drill.  After drills are completed, contemplate quitting the game of basketball.
3.  How to blow a 16 point halftime lead?  The grubby one has no real answer here?  Pulling a Vlade and smoking in the locker room at halftime would be an explainable excuse but this aint the 80s and everyone is so concerned about tobacco, except in central North Carolina???  Was there a pack of Marlboro reds passed around the locker room at the half???

I will be attending more MC Scots home basketball games but now it is only to watch the Scotties dance team.  What talent.  What drive.  What heart.  What determination.  They have what it takes to win!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 27, 2015, 11:03:55 AM
Mr. Grubby's confusion is shared.  Antonio??
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 28, 2015, 03:07:37 PM
Important game this afternoon for Piedmont if they hope to make the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 28, 2015, 03:47:17 PM
This should be an easy one for PC.  They can play much better than Covenant.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2015, 12:09:43 PM
Grubby One is on an unusual losing streak.

Are the USASouth men's teams equally bad or equally good?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 29, 2015, 12:34:43 PM
equally terrible.  I understand Lagrange having a tough year as they lost some key guys from their first ever NCAA tournament team.  D3 is usually dominated by your senior class and if you ain't got seniors well.........

For the rest of the teams, its just bad basketball.  They should just forfeit their AQ NCAA bid as whoever is left holding the hot potato when the music stops will get murdered in the first round.  The committee will send them some place nice too with a very highly ranked team like Emory, Randy mac, or VA Wesleyan.  There is a chance they could get slid up to Marietta or Wooster to get annihilated but that would just be cruel.  This league reminds me of the SLIAC around 2000.  Nobody wants nor should go to the tourney.
Now, NCWC and William Peace play hard they just lack some talent and size.  I don't want to degrade them b/c their hearts are in the right place.  Same with PC as they didn't even have a program 2 years ago and they are giving all they got (again, see the seniors comment).  CNU aint in this league anymore and I see why they left! 
This conference is a good fit for Murvul but they have chosen to sink to the level of their conference competition instead of remaining above the rest and focus on a national presence.  Randy Lambert has done some amazing things at MC, I sure hope the crafty veteran has something up his sleeve and pulls it out soon!  I wonder if his two assistants Tony Montana and Pit bull have any eligibility left?
I feel for my LC Panthers but Wallace has not been there long enough to gain consistency.  he will be up and down for a few more years then he will be able to go on his own run of NCAA tourney appearances.  He knows what its like to compete against the best aka Bo Ryan!!!

BBallover, Please explain what happened to PC the other night??? I don't understand how that happened.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 30, 2015, 08:19:26 AM
I wish I knew Grubby One I wish I knew. Just hope Coach Neeley can fix it. One thing is for sure, either PC or Maryville will get a win Saturday.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2015, 11:04:54 AM
It is already all about who has solved the most problems by tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 30, 2015, 11:42:45 AM
IMO any team that gets in the tournament has a shot. The trouble is everyone will not get in ( unless I missed something ). How many wins will it take ? 6 ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 30, 2015, 10:17:16 PM
bballover yea the scots will do everything they can to keep it close, at least thats the way they have played all their other games.  PC can do some things at home as we have seen this season

The problem with the USASC is that the best team in this league might be the worst team in the OAC, Capital, or MIAA.  It will be another year of a first round loss for the USASC.  CNU made a mistake by leaving, now they will have to beat some teams to get a bid.

Scottiedoug, you are dead on, last year Lagrange figured it out at the right time.

Cant wait to see what happens tomorrow
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on January 31, 2015, 08:51:08 PM
2014-15 USA South Men's Basketball Coaches Preseason Poll (Current position in BOLD)
1.    Maryville     100 (8)
2.    Averett    82 (2)
3.    Ferrum    76 (10 tie)
4.    N.C. Wesleyan    73 (4)
5.    LaGrange    65 (9)
6.    Greensboro    44 (1)
7.    Huntingdon    42 (10 tie)
8.    Methodist    39 (7)
9.    Piedmont    33 (5)
10.    Covenant    30 (6)
11.    William Peace    21 (3)

Any thoughts? How about those Pacers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2015, 10:40:29 PM
yea i got some thoughts on that poll.
A.  its preseason
B. current position counts as much as preseason
c. All that matters is winning the conference tournament cause if you don't do that then you go home any way

Bballover,
Good win for PC today.  I believe last second 40 ft prayers that are answered are signs that teams are doing the right things day in and day out.  Murvul is now 8-10 but that is really 6-10 b/c we don't count Johnson university as games b/c they are a bible college.  Not that they aren't ok, just they have their minds focused on something greater than basketball. 

What really hurts is my Panthers!  Im gonna need Mark, Nick, and Mike to put together a run or else Im coming to a game and they are gonna hear about it.  Can't blame coaching at LC.

Greensboro at #1.  Someone shoot the grubby one, please.  William Peace at 3, forget it, I'll shoot myself.  Murvul and LC at 8 and 9, at least i know some of my buddies are down to drink a lot.

If i was a senior in this league, I would do what the kid from Greensboro did last year.  Take over.  1 player could beat half the teams in this league if he wanted to and that player is Oscar Butler.  Everyone that has played at Murvul has done it a time or two.  Yea a kid might have to focus on scoring every possession and getting every rebound and guarding 3 guys but pain is temporary.  The ridicule of an 8-18 season lasts forever.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2015, 01:09:15 PM
If you get outrebounded by 20 and make one free throw, even Oscar the Senior will have a tough time with the rescue. For the Scots there is no team they have played that they cannot beat and.or almost did beat.  Who wants it?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2015, 04:47:58 PM
Its February Baby and you know what that means, either get it in gear or this is the month your season and/or career ends.  Last chance for all but one in the USASC and for some of the coaches, only 27 days of misery left.  This has been an odd season in the USASC.  Dixie Fan's earlier post says it all.  If you thought you were good in November, you probably aren't in February.  I can't wait for the conference tournament!
Also, I cannot wait to announce the Grubby One's All USASC Team either.  Just a little hint: Trey Gaines is on it.  So is one of the members of the MC Scotties dance team such heart, fortitude, desire, passion, drive, tenacity, those ladies just have it all!!!!!

Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 03, 2015, 11:20:54 AM
What can I say about Saturday afternoon ? Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then. Give the Scots credit, they came back with a big win last night. The last 3 or 4 spots are wide open in this thing. Should be fun ( for those who make it at least).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 03, 2015, 02:23:55 PM
It is pretty clear that almost any team in this conference can beat any other one.  If the Scots cannot make foul shots, however, they are not likely to win often enough in a row to win a tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 03, 2015, 04:46:46 PM
this league is a bunch of communists.  No one wants to stand out and take more than their fair share of the victories.  Pretty typical of this generation.  If Murvul was still a capitalist bunch they would take victory every time they played.  This would not fly in the '80s when communists were a real threat.  I say we either bring back the '80s or just let my LC panthers go back to the NCAA tournament.

Go Panthers
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 04, 2015, 09:55:36 AM
HaHa.  Maybe there are too many Christian schools in the league.  Do unto others, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 04, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
ScottieDoug that is a great point.  While the Grubby One is a good christian husband, father, and boyfriend now, there was definitely a little bit of devil in the scots teams he was a part of that won a lot.  I wish my panthers would just lock this thing up!!!!  Instead I have to read stories about William Peace on the front page of D3hoops, ugh.  That is the second thing the Grubby One needs to tell Pat Coleman:
1.  I want the parquet background back on the home page like the early days, I have mentioned this before
2.  I need any positive USA South national article to be about my Panthers winning!!!!!!!!  So my panthers need to win!!!!

Oh and btw, if it aint the NCAA a tourney, then it don't matter.  You either play for a championship or you are just playing for your health.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2015, 04:04:04 PM
Mark Wagner did not get me my double double today as promised.  He had 11 points and 5 boards but I will take the W.  We needed it. 

I dare say if anyone pics a winner in the conference tourney it is based on heart and not head b/c what metric would you use to differentiate teams in this freakin conference!


*The Grubby One reserves the right to give his loyalty to whoever wins the most at any time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 07, 2015, 10:49:04 PM
Where will the tournament happen and will it make any difference?  Seems like any team can win or lose anywhere.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 09, 2015, 12:12:31 PM
Sorry, but I didn't see that one coming. I'm not sure Piedmont has ever won at LaGrange and at Huntingdon in the same season. GO LIONS
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 10, 2015, 12:41:46 PM
i haven't seen any thing that has happened this season coming!!!!  LC beats Murvul at LC now they still have to come to Murvul but oh well.  8 teams in the conference tournament that will probably be held at Bill Peace oh and btw, Bill Peace's gym isn't big enough to seat 8 teams, just saying but what an environment for a championship.  No room to move!!!!!!  1.5 weeks left.  About time to post my all conference team
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 10, 2015, 04:03:52 PM
Averett is ahead of Bill Peace....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
Yea give it time.  Bill Peace will come through to make the hosting situation miserable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on February 13, 2015, 08:54:59 PM
Matthew, the whole Bill Peace name made me laugh. Big 7 days ahead for the league.  Obviously Coach Shields is COY but what is your 1st and 2nd teams?  POY and ROY? Like you said, time for seniors to step up so their careers don't end on a sour note.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 15, 2015, 09:22:31 AM
Dixie Fan
Coach Shields is w/o a doubt coach of the year.  Thats the easy one.  After that, It gets hazy.  I think some locks for All conference are ......No locks so i will give my 2 cents on who the big names in the conference are:  Trey Gaines, Nick Mitchell, All of Bill Peaces team, Spencer Shoffner, No One from Huntingdon or Covenant, and again the NCWC team.  I cant tell anyone apart at NCWC they are all about 6'3 and play really hard.  They are usually in a pile going after the ball and you cant see faces or numbers.  Watching them play this season was fun as they play so hard.  They have had some inefficiencies on offense but the 3 or times i have seen them play their effort has been consistent.
I will say that after beating Greensboro and with a win over Averett early and the overall inconsistencies of the league, Murvul is still the favorite to win the conference tourney.  Second would be Averett and my personal pick would be Bill Peace.  I could only imagine the chaos that would ensue if the Peace won the tourney and got a bid!!!!!
On a high note, this is my christmas as Coaches Wallace, McGreal, and Watson bring their panthers into the mountains to play against Coaches Lambert, Placeres, and Hernandez.  I cant wait.  I will be wearing my Mark Wagner jersey screaming for the panthers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 16, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
So ok now Mr. Grubby.  Do the Scots have at this late stage what it takes to win tough games?  They looked pretty good yesterday and seemed to have gotten some enthusiasm.  Is it only reserved for Wallace et al from LaGrange?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 20, 2015, 02:39:31 PM
The scots are WOW!  I have heard rumors that Coach Lambert is having to talk his assistants off the ledge.  Literally, they are contemplating jumping off the roof of Cooper athletic Center.  Which losing Coach P would be rough, Greg ahhh the jury is still out on him as we could probably salvage his hair and keep it on display.  And the only reason he is talking them off the ledge is so he has a place to jump!
So Feb 20th is the day to decide if the tourney will be at the 32 seat home of the Bill Peace Pacers?  Come on Pacers!!!!  I would love to see everyone packed into that gym the first day.  Well, thats the only day the Murvul scots will be there like last year.  2 losses to Piedmont this season and people ask why I switched to a Lagrange fan.  Come on Panthers.  And btw, Wagner put on a show for the Grubby One in Murvul.  I know my panthers lost but it was nice to see my boy show out.  Also, the price of admission is always justified just to watch Coach McGreal on the sidelines!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
Well Averett beat Bill Peace so the tournament will be in a gym with seats.  I still think anyone can win this, even the Scots.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 23, 2015, 10:06:37 AM
Yes, Averett has one of the nicest facilities in the USA South if not the nicest.  Good place to host a tourney.  Obviously, Lagrange is my cinderella as I think both Wallace and McGreal would look phenomenal in a nice pair of glass slippers and a prom dress or princess dress for this argument. 

Murvul has a chance to avenge last years first round loss to GC and vegas says it is a slim chance at this point.

How do you pick a favorite in a conference that no team showed they really wanted to win?  Can you just go with the home team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 23, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
One thing is for sure guys. Come Saturday night , one team will have a three game winning streak.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2015, 11:45:43 PM
So my panthers are making a run to repeat, ahhh one step closer to McGreal in a prom dress.  Wagner with a little player of the week action, keep it up.

The scots tried to lose one today but avenged last years upset and for the second year in a row, the conference POY is out in the first round.  A little advice, pick a better POY.  But against their will the scots advance to play Averett at Averett, where they have already won this year.  Mark this down, J. Byrd is by far still the best player in this conference and the best this conference has seen since Brandon Givens, so the scots go as J Byrd goes tomorrow.  Does he keep O Butler and C Ford playing or retiring tomorrow???  And for you old school Dixie/Usa South guys, Brandon Givens was better than Ted Berry!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 27, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
If JByrd is the best the league has to offer and he was POY and his team lost last year in the first round then how does your advice about picking a better POY make sense. or is that a silly question...the Grubby makes sense part...???
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2015, 10:48:22 PM
Life is good!!!!
A new streak starts tomorrow or a bad one ends. Either way, best of luck to both teams tomorrow. Both teams have great coaching staffs.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2015, 01:00:15 PM
Wagner and Songster both featured on the match up preview photo.  Im such a proud father as I am really both of their daddys.  This is the best day I have had since I had my last child, Kris Sigmund!!!!  If McGreal and Placeres don't throw punches at halftime, the game will not be intense enough!!!!

ScottieDoug, can you come bail me out of jail with about 3 mins left in the game b/c I will be wreaking havoc in the suburbs during this game!!!!!  These losers that live around me will know that D3 is more much intense than their loser Vols!  Either my panthers or My Coach Lambert are going to the big dance.  I can't wait.

To quote the great Randy:  "Who gives a good gosh jimminy dang about the regular season when you have an AQ in your conference tourney!" circa 1999.  As per previous posts, if it aint the NCAA tourney it don't matter!  Now the Scots are 1 game away from adding to their top 10 all time tourney appearance resume or my boy Wallace is about to start a freakin dynasty in Lagrange!!!!!

Josh Tummel will not stop texting me.  He has been prescribed sedatives for today's game, Kris Sigmund is lost in the woods so he knows he won't be able to assault anyone during the game, and Alex Bowers will be watching and taking notes for his catholic girls team.

This game could very well come down to Coach Hernandez's hair vs Coach Watson's fashion apparel.  this matchup will be intense!

And the Sour Note, the winner of this game will be on a path to face Randolph Macon in the second round!!! Dang it!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
I am always glad to bail you out but you did not call...I was in Cooper watching Greensboro sneak away with the women's title.  A 6'4" player in D3 women's hoops can cause a lot of trouble....At least the Coach T Scots will get to play in the NCAA, so it does matter what you do before the conference tournament!

I knew it would be Nik Mitchell who would come up big for the Panthers.  Nobody seems to be able to guard him if he takes a notion.  Unlike your man Mark Wagner, who can be defended. 

What do the Scots need to make next year better?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 28, 2015, 09:59:33 PM
I am so proud of Kendal and David...they have worked so hard to build a program from nothing.  This LC is less talented than last year's team but has more heart and determination.  I am going to hate to see Nick Mitchell graduate.  He is a great player and an amazing man.  If Mark and Justyn are both on we could pull out an upset in the first round. 

Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 28, 2015, 11:30:01 PM
I am excited to see what Kendal and David have done there as well.  There game at Centre last year was a tough pill to swallow and that was a better LC team last year.  Not to hate on these guys as most of them were there, but they were stronger last year.  The one thing these guys have is experience and that is huge in NCAA play.  I bet LC goes to Emory for the first round and that is a monster match up for Panthers.
I will say this about Nick Mitchell, if he played every game like it was a USASC tournament game, then the Grubby One would be a Nick Mitchell and not a Mark Wagner fan!!!
The problem is for the Panthers that the #1,10,and 15 teams in the country are in your region and you are basically in a suburb of Atlanta, so yes, LC is probably going to Emory for the first Round.
It could be done, not quite a draw like getting another unranked team at neutral pod site, but if Nick Mitchell shows up anything is possible.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CMR on March 01, 2015, 08:47:12 AM
Is it just me or is there less excitement in the USAS since the new schools have been added over the last several years?  As an ODACer, it seems that the USAS has lost its identity, not just the NC and VA schools with local connections and rivalries. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 01, 2015, 12:55:17 PM
I would agree with that.  Especially with CNU going to the CAC.  It is definitely a tale of two divisions.  I think it is b/c the rivalries and championships are less centrally located to NC and VA.  I want to think more on this but that is a great point
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2015, 11:46:17 PM
Does the unbalanced schedule contribute?  Is there a solution?  Play on Sunday or go away?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: CMR on March 01, 2015, 08:47:12 AM
Is it just me or is there less excitement in the USAS since the new schools have been added over the last several years?  As an ODACer, it seems that the USAS has lost its identity, not just the NC and VA schools with local connections and rivalries.
i personally think it's because usasac basketball has become very average in the last few years - the games are competitive...the #6 seed just won the tournament, and played a semi-final game vs. the #7 seed...but the basketball is not that good - it's hard to get excited about mediocre basketball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2015, 01:40:27 PM
Well my Panthers got lucky.  They didn't get the #15 team in the country at their place.  They got the #16 team in the country at the #15 team in the country's gym! Aye Dios Mio!

Oh well, the real season starts soon and my panthers are in for the second year in a row.  The Wallace streak has started and its at 2.  Only 11 more to go to catch the master.  Which Wallace will have in 11 years from now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2015, 04:00:14 PM
Narch,

I get it...your team isn't that good so the conference basketball isn't that good.  LaGrange went to Centre in the first round of the tournament last year and barely lost in the final minutes.  Take a look at Centre basketball and you will see that is an historical great program that plays a high level of basketball.  CNU was getting beat prior to them leaving the conference.  This conference plays good not great basketball but not mediocre.  Your comment just sounds like sour grapes.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2015, 04:03:50 PM
Matt,

I look for LaGrange to pull an upset in the first round.  We will have the advantage of being able to have a nice group of fans attending with the addition of playing at Emory at least once a year.  We don't have a long bus ride this year and the team we are playing is traveling from the West Coast to the East Coast which is typically an issue even for NFL teams.  We may not have the best team on the floor, but we will have the best all around player in Nick Mitchell.  If Mark and Justyn are on we can give this team a run for their money.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2015, 09:14:33 PM
Ben Stein Fan,
I appreciate your optimism but NO.  Nick Mitchell will be an average at best player on the floor against Whitworth.  They will dominate at every position.  Wallace knows what he did this year.  He made the run when it counted and got the bid.  Thats his job and he is freakin good at it.  I don't want to hate on my guys at LC, but this is a 24-3 basketball team who is on the national scene in D3.  They are traveling  a long way but when you are a west coast D3 team, you travel a long way for all of your games.  The intensity level will be much higher.  Wallace is slowly building a winner at LC b/c he is a winner, but he is still building.  He and Nick Mitchell won the USASC tournament together again this year, but look at the records of the 2 teams that were in the championship.  And this aint Murvul of 2004.  I wish I shared your optimism and I will be glued to my TV watching the game as I will have it on my apple TV, but I aint gonna bet any money on LC to win.  I personally thought the USASC was the worst basketball conference in the country this year.  Nick Mitchell and the Panthers were the only ones who did not get lulled to sleep by the mediocrity of the rest of the teams.  The league was a lot stronger last year even.  This year was terrible.  One signature win for the conference and that was Piedmont over Emory.  Nick didn't even have that great of a season b/c if he had the Panthers would have had a much better record.  Nick had another phenomenal tournament and will forever be known as Mr. USASC Basketball Tournament and they should probably go ahead and make it the The Nick Mitchell USASC Men's Basketball Tournament cause he owns it.
Whitworth has lost one game since Nov 22.  They go 6'5, 6'7, and 6'8 across their front line.  I am sure Nick will have a penetration advantage against the 6'7 guy but Braxton Ford is going to have his hands full against Love.  And then, they go 6'4 and 6'5 at the wings, Justin and Mark don't match up with that size.

With all that said, i say LC 67 Whitworth 64.  Go Panthers!!!!  My guy Mark Wagner with a 3 three at the buzzer to win it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: narch on March 02, 2015, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2015, 04:00:14 PM
Narch,

I get it...your team isn't that good so the conference basketball isn't that good.  LaGrange went to Centre in the first round of the tournament last year and barely lost in the final minutes.  Take a look at Centre basketball and you will see that is an historical great program that plays a high level of basketball.  CNU was getting beat prior to them leaving the conference.  This conference plays good not great basketball but not mediocre.  Your comment just sounds like sour grapes.
oh, there is no question that mu has fallen into mediocrity for the better part of the last 8 to 10 years, but as a whole, the conference isn't as good as it was 5 to 10 years ago...not sour grapes, just facts - i've been watching usasac basketball for 15+ years, and it's just ok right now

the regular season conference champion is coming off 5 straight sub .500 seasons, the 2nd place team didn't exist 2 years ago (in fact, the school had exactly ZERO undergraduate men enrolled), the team tied for 3rd cancelled it's season after 7 games just 2 years ago, only 5 teams in the league had a winning record, and one of them (ncwc) only got to 1 game over .500 because they schedule at least 2 to 3 wins every year (maryland bible and 2X mid atlantic christian), the #7 seed won the conference tournament...none of this speaks to high quality basketball

as much as i hated that cnu had a cost/facilities advantage as a public in a private conference, they lifted the conference - i imagine most of the coaches in the conference have one goal at the start of each season...win the conference - without cnu, it's easier to do and doesn't take as much talent - that erosion of talent has led to largely average basketball across the board - every person i've talked to who has watched usasac hoops over the last decade plus agrees that the conference, as a whole, is down - you can call that sour grapes if you'd like, but i call it bad basketball
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2015, 09:35:31 AM
I am sorry to have to agree with Narch and The Grubby One.  While the league is competitive within itself, the quality of the game is down a good bit from several years ago.  I do not know if the players are not as good or if there are other factors.  The departure of CNU is certainly a factor.  But the ODAC is private schools and they have some good teams that do well outside the conference.

Go Panthers!

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2015, 12:08:00 AM
Well since I can't sleep tonight, i know Wallace is in Atlanta not sleeping

Go Panthers  Its game day
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on March 06, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2015, 04:00:14 PM
Narch,

I get it...your team isn't that good so the conference basketball isn't that good.  LaGrange went to Centre in the first round of the tournament last year and barely lost in the final minutes.  Take a look at Centre basketball and you will see that is an historical great program that plays a high level of basketball.  CNU was getting beat prior to them leaving the conference.  This conference plays good not great basketball but not mediocre.  Your comment just sounds like sour grapes.

By who?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2015, 07:09:52 PM
well, this is tough for LC.  Like I said, Whitworth is dominating at every position.  Hate to see it end this way for my panthers, but no one would have predicted they would get a bid this year.  Wallace did his job and LC better give him a raise.  Please someone get smart and give David McGreal a head coaching job. 

Wallace's job when the season started was simple.  There is nothing worse than seeing one single banner hanging in a gym.  If there is only one banner then that team may have accidentally won something once and the banner just looks like an eye sore.  Now, he has two banners and that looks like there is a streak.  His job was to raise another banner by getting another bid.  Job Well Done sir.  Although in hindsight, anyone could have seen that the panthers and Nick Mitchell were going to win the The Nick Mitchell USASC Men's Basketball Tournament presented by Nick Mitchell.

Way to come through when it counted Panthers. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2015, 02:26:27 AM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2015, 04:00:14 PM
Narch,

I get it...your team isn't that good so the conference basketball isn't that good.  LaGrange went to Centre in the first round of the tournament last year and barely lost in the final minutes.  Take a look at Centre basketball and you will see that is an historical great program that plays a high level of basketball.  CNU was getting beat prior to them leaving the conference.  This conference plays good not great basketball but not mediocre.  Your comment just sounds like sour grapes.

CNU went 11-3 in its last year in the USA South, then 9-7 the next year in the CAC. And the CAC is right around the middle of the pack among the 43 conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 08, 2015, 12:32:05 PM
Yes Pat, i agree totally and the USASC is weaker without the Captains
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 21, 2015, 10:45:04 PM
Well, its time to let the coaching carousel begin....
If I don't see David McGreal announced as a new head coach at a D3 school in the next few months then several schools need new ADs!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: tigerfanalso on March 24, 2015, 02:02:19 PM
Is the USASC lacking players or coaching, or both. USASC has had some really good teams over the years, don't understand why that has changed so quickly.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 26, 2015, 09:21:47 PM
I think its the schools that are getting hit in general more than just the teams.  The tuition prices are killing people.  Also, kids take sports as a right not a privilege anymore.  Lots of factors hitting the USASC from a lot of different directions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 26, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on March 26, 2015, 09:21:47 PM
I think its the schools that are getting hit in general more than just the teams.  The tuition prices are killing people.  Also, kids take sports as a right not a privilege anymore.  Lots of factors hitting the USASC from a lot of different directions.

And either of these factors differentiates the USASC from other conferences how?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 27, 2015, 05:50:53 PM
Losing CNU certainly cost the conference one of its premier basketball programs. I think picking up Maryville (Tenn.) the season before lessened the blow a little.  But the conference hasn't been very strong in men's basketball in the last decade.

The conference was only 2-10 in its last 10 NCAA tournaments entering this season.  It'll have the same record entering the 2016 NCAA tournament. CNU has one win and Averett has the other. 

Here is the conference's winning percentage versus D3 schools since 2011:

2011: 39-42 (.481) -- 22 of 43
2012: 31-44 (.431) -- 32 of 43 <CNU's last year>
2013: 32-32 (.500) -- 21 of 43
2014: 28-54 (.341) -- 38 of 43

The best season was actually the first after CNU left. Playing a lot of non-conference games against the ODAC, which is one of the premier D3 conferences, hasn't helped, particularly for the lower half of the conference. But the USA South's NCAA tourney representative has lost NCAA tournament games to teams from eight different conferences since 2005.

We have a resource called the Conference Guidebook that puts the performance of each conference (and to a lesser degree each team) in the context of all the others.

http://www.d3hoops.com/guidebook/index

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 30, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
As a rule the USASC schools don't have the endowments of the ODAC, so they are tuition driven and don't have the money for capital facility improvements and that would be a big difference between the USASC and other D3 conferences.  Have you seen Berry College's new arena?  Wont see one of those in the USASC anytime soon.
So ya, as a whole the conference is facing some challenges that some other schools are not.  Also, the academic draw of some of the USASC schools are not as strong as other D3 schools so the type of Kid a USASC school can attract is deteriorating based on rising tuition and decreasing academic prestige.
While, Emory is freakin emory and you don't ask the price at Emory, you just know you are getting what you pay for and are happy for it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: tigerfanalso on April 01, 2015, 08:36:41 AM
W&L is the only odac school with a large endowment; others are struggling relatively speaking but i do understand your point.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 02, 2015, 10:25:32 AM
Maryville recruits:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/mc-men-s-hoops-adds-in-new-class/article_901d3cf8-a029-5e42-a139-52b7684ea4dd.html

Time will tell!

One from LaGrange...must want to get away from home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on September 17, 2015, 10:01:45 PM
Ugh....Why am I a MC Scots fan?  This could have been the worst off season ever!!!!  I forget if I have changed my allegiance to Lagrange or back to Murvul or back to Lagrange.  Switching your loyalty a lot is hard to keep up with.  The problem is LC graduated Nick Mitchell.  I almost want to cheer for another USASC team but not really.  If a USASC team had a coaching vacancy they would need to look long and hard and Raul Placeres and/or David McGreal at Lagrange.  Both very talented and deserve a shot in the big chair.  If the league had 4 coaches from the Lambert coaching tree the level of play in the league would rise tremendously. 

Early prediction....the league is dominated by Piedmont this year then they choke it out in the annual USASC/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball tournament and Lagrange snags another AQ bid for a third straight trip to the NCAA tournament behind a strong performance from Mark Wagner aka Nick Mitchell 2.0.  Also check the roster, Wagner 175?  come on now, he aint an ounce over 168!!!

The grubby one still dominates this league whether is the Dixie, the GSAC, the USASC whatever you call it the Grubby one is the king!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 18, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
Glad you are still awake, Grubby.  Nice work in Rocky Top.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on October 12, 2015, 09:48:31 PM
Matt,

Mark has put on a lot of weight this off-season.  Now, Mark is not FL QB Grier but he has worked out hard this off-season.

LC has some great recruits coming in.  It will be extremely difficult to replace Nick Mitchell, but I think this year's team will be better than last year's team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on October 15, 2015, 08:18:56 AM
Matt,

I attended LC's Midnight Madness last night.  This team is loaded with transfers and incoming freshman.  LC has three legit conference player of the year athletes on its roster this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 15, 2015, 11:21:42 AM
I suspected that the gurus who have picked the order of finishes in the league misunderstand LaGrange, which BSF has suggested may be true.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on October 15, 2015, 12:09:27 PM
http://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/201509082j30br (http://www.lagrangepanthers.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/201509082j30br)

This is the list and description of LaGrange's incoming class.  Pay particular to the first person and the last person mention.  These guys can flat out play.  In addition, LC is returning 5 of their top 6 scorers from last season.  This team has senior leadership, athleticism, fantastic outside shooters, and now some height. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 16, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
That is a lot of players.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 20, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
Look, D3 is senior dominated like High school.  Guys don't leave D3 early to go pro. 

Wallace is Wallace.  you take the good with the bad.  The good:  he gets kids to buy in and buy in quick, his kids are tough and they play hard.

The bad:  He is not a complete soul without Dave McGreal.  They are a beautiful couple!

Lagrange was not that good last year.  Look at their regular season record.  Nick Mitchell was just the kind of kid that won when it counted and that is the best compliment you can give a player.  That mixed with the overall effort of his teammates has led to championships.  The panthers have taken on Wallace's intense persona and that is what has led to their championships.  Fortunately  good and bad basketball seasons are defined by tournament performances. period.  They will be "good" when they start going 22-2 in the regular season and I think Wallace can get them there but he is till building his program and recruiting is still a challenge.  His day will come when he just walks into a gym and people know that he is a D3 coach but that just aint any ole D3, Its Lagrange, and they can compete with anyone.

Wagner and White will be a good duo since they have both played in about 975 USA south conference games since this is like their 98th year playing for LC.

And people thought Maryville joining the USA South wouldn't have a big impact on USA South men's basketball after the first season.  Ha.  Rememeber, Kendal Wallace aka the maker of men: disciple of defense both played and was an assistant at Maryville and he is wrecking shop in the USASouth!  Oh yea and then there's the best assistants in the USA South.  They are both from Florida, they both played PG for Maryville.  Ones at Lagrange and ones at Maryville.  I would have to put them in the octagon and let them have it to determine who was the better assistant.

I can't wait for the 2016 USA South/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 23, 2015, 11:16:45 AM
Hey Grubby...I am sad for you that you have to wait that long for basketball to interest you!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 02, 2015, 10:50:08 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on October 20, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
Look, D3 is senior dominated like High school.  Guys don't leave D3 early to go pro. 

Wallace is Wallace.  you take the good with the bad.  The good:  he gets kids to buy in and buy in quick, his kids are tough and they play hard.

The bad:  He is not a complete soul without Dave McGreal.  They are a beautiful couple!

Lagrange was not that good last year.  Look at their regular season record.  Nick Mitchell was just the kind of kid that won when it counted and that is the best compliment you can give a player.  That mixed with the overall effort of his teammates has led to championships.  The panthers have taken on Wallace's intense persona and that is what has led to their championships.  Fortunately  good and bad basketball seasons are defined by tournament performances. period.  They will be "good" when they start going 22-2 in the regular season and I think Wallace can get them there but he is till building his program and recruiting is still a challenge.  His day will come when he just walks into a gym and people know that he is a D3 coach but that just aint any ole D3, Its Lagrange, and they can compete with anyone.

Wagner and White will be a good duo since they have both played in about 975 USA south conference games since this is like their 98th year playing for LC.

And people thought Maryville joining the USA South wouldn't have a big impact on USA South men's basketball after the first season.  Ha.  Rememeber, Kendal Wallace aka the maker of men: disciple of defense both played and was an assistant at Maryville and he is wrecking shop in the USASouth!  Oh yea and then there's the best assistants in the USA South.  They are both from Florida, they both played PG for Maryville.  Ones at Lagrange and ones at Maryville.  I would have to put them in the octagon and let them have it to determine who was the better assistant.

I can't wait for the 2016 USA South/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament!!!!!

If results matter, then David McGreal is clearly the better assistant.  He is a recruiting machine and is the perfect person to help Coach Wallace.

I am sorry to hear about Byrd.  I hope he makes a full recovery.

I cannot wait for basketball season to start.  LaGrange is loaded and ready to play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 08, 2015, 05:23:17 PM
It hurts for someone to actually put it writing that they would pick one over the other with McGreal and Placeres.  Its too hard to actually hurt the other one's feelings by actually picking. Let's look at the comparisons
Both PGs for Randy Lambert
Both have questionable tattoos
Both are awesome
Both wear so much cologne that you can smell S.Florida from a mile away on those 2
Both are part of a dynamic duo with their Head Coach that would make an epic tag team on WWE.  I can see the match up between Wallace?Greal and Lambert/Raul  (Im thinking Lambert looks better in wrestling tights than Wallace)

I cannot decide which one is better so they are the same to me.  I will say this about both:  If I am an AD at a USA South School and I go looking for a Head Men's Basketball Coach in the next 3 years, those would be my first 2 phone calls.

I can't wait for basketball season!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 08, 2015, 09:09:02 PM
I am glad you are now anxious for the season and not just the tournament!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 09, 2015, 11:36:34 AM
Scottiedoug,
I want to see Jalen Bowyer.  He made a great decision to return after a very very challenging freshman year.  I know he will see a lot of different things in his sophomore year and they will be the complete opposite of his freshman year.  He is a very solid defender who will get more comfortable handling the ball and running the offense.  He has the physical tools and he has Raul teaching him the mental aspect.  He will have a very solid college career when it is all said and done.  Tough journeys start rocky and end up with a great feeling of accomplishment.  The scots key players this year will be Brewer, Shoffner, and Bowyer.  Thats a solid big three but it is D3 and you need a solid 8 to be really good.  We will see who steps up soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 10, 2015, 12:04:06 PM
I heard a lot last year about how good Bowyer was going to be but kept waiting to see, especially offensively.  If Raul works his magic, that will help, but I wonder where the points are going to come from.  Two pretty good sources are not available, so to speak.

Have you seen any newbies who can step up...like Songster did last year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 11, 2015, 02:09:20 PM
Well its about time to get this season kicked off. My Lions sure don't have it very easy this week. You have to figure Emory will be laying in wait after last year. Hope everyone can stay injury free and whoever gets to the post season this year can make a little run.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 16, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
Sure were a lot of new players wearing Maryville uniforms while beating Centre at Centre, which is not usually what happens up there in KY.   Maybe this will be an interesting year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 19, 2015, 03:42:25 AM
Scottie,

Impressive win by Maryville to beat Centre at Centre.  The USAC has had some good wins so far in this early season.

LaGrange went to Berry shot horribly from the 3 pt line (3-28) and still won.  Mark Wagner hit a layup with at the buzzer to beat BC 90-89.

LaGrange is going to press you, turn you over, and get to the free throw line. 

Winning early season games on the road is a good sign.

Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 19, 2015, 08:55:45 AM
Piedmont also got a road win last night at Oglethorpe. Idk how good Oglethorpe is but, as you sad BSF any road win is a good win. And it wasn't even a Bible School.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 19, 2015, 10:17:44 AM
It is good to see USASouth teams doing well against other conferences.  It is not the ODAC, but the Berry-Oglethorpe-Centre crowd is legitimate!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 19, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
I just noticed Averett beat Hampden-Sydney and Greensboro did not get run out of the gym against Guilford.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 19, 2015, 10:45:57 AM
I agree Scottie. In addition to those Averett won At Hampton-Sydney,Ferrum Beat Eastern Mennenite, Huntingdon Beat Birmingham Southern And Covenant beat both Sewanee and Emory & Henry. E&H On the road. So, overall not a bad start for the USAS.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 29, 2015, 04:02:28 PM
USA South continues its winning ways with LC beating Oglethorpe and Emory yesterday and today respectively.  Maryville beat Emory yesterday and will face Oglethorpe in a few minutes.  Not sure how the rest of the conference is doing but LC and Maryville are looking good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: CMR on November 29, 2015, 05:36:16 PM
Watching the RMC/AU game, and looks like the young RMC team will be going down again.  But why does the AU coach keep yelling at his team,,,,ask them if they want fries, ask them if they want fries?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 29, 2015, 07:38:03 PM
Murvul beat emory and oglethorpe.  Good news is they beat a top 25 ranked team.  Bad news is emory is not a top 25 team.  Emory did not execute the way eagles teams usually do.  they have players and a coach but they are not ready yet.  Of course its not even december yet.

The young Murvul team could play with anybody.  And I mean anybody, those young kids are talented but they are young.  Some nights they could play with a D1 team and some night they would play right in there trading buckets with a 6th grade team.  They understand the 30,000 foot view which is win, but they have a lot of finer points to learn.  They are awesome to watch.  They are really having fun.  Tons of talent.  Tough.  Play Hard.  Play excited.  I will even breakdown and say they are well coached.  These guys are going to be special in a year or two.  I make the 6th grade team reference as a joke b/c youth causes Coaches' hair to gray and since Lambo is already a silver fox they will cause him to go bald.  I will attend every game I can to see these guys, there will be some big time plays and a lot of fun.  There is energy in that gym that hasn't been seen in a while.  Hoppa, Bowman, Garcia, #11 with the sweet mustache, the big post from some small town no one has ever heard of, there are freshmen everywhere.  Shoffner is a legit stud, so is Brewer.  The big surprise is still Spicer.  That kid has grown up big time.  I wouldn't pick a fight with him.  Im not saying he would take the grubby one bc the grubby one fights dirty but he is about the last guy I would pick a fight with. Gotta say way to go Spicer, thats how you get it done in the off season.

Lagrange looks as good as they have ever looked.  Tough at several positions especially the wing.  They executed well and they have guys who know how to make plays.  Mike White and Mark Wagner both looked good today playing as 27th year Seniors.  I swear they have been there since '86.  It looks like Wallace has a program built there in GA.  There is consistency in his teams from year to year.

Now down to the real winner of the weekend.  In the McGreal/Placeres match up:  This was tough and easy.  As awesome as Raul is, McGreal took this one by two lengths.
First, McGreal has a lush full head of hair and that is immeasurable in value at his age.
Second, Raul doesn't even remember how to change a diaper and McGreal is in the thick of it with a baby and managing Wallace.

Its not that Raul lost, its that Randy has gotten old and isn't as mobile or as quick on his feet as he used to be so Raul doesn't get the opportunity show all of his talents b/c Lambert has been tamed by age. 

I did really like the sweatshirts with the back to back NCAA tournament appearances the Lagrange kids had but I did have to remind my boys at LC that Lambo's sweatshirt would read back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back NCAA tournament appearances.

I can't wait for the USASC regular season and then the USASC/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament.  This season is gonna be a blast.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 29, 2015, 09:37:54 PM
Matt,

If you saw the LC play this weekend, we were without our top reserve.   We have a 6-8 junior college transfer who was out this weekend with the flu.  He shoot over 50% from 3 point land last year and has a chance of being the top scorer for LC this year.  That is not taking anything away from Mark or Alex Bonner. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 06, 2015, 02:10:33 PM
Can anybody guard R.J. Jones of the Hawks? I think Huntingdon is going to cause some trouble for the other USASouth teams this year.  Scots hadto score a lot of points to beat them.  I hope the young Scotties will pay attention to Randy's entreaties about the importance of defense...it is fun to outscore people but all that talent can play defense, too.  If it wants to.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 08, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
Yes the Scotty puppies need to learn some defense. While they can score via the dunk, they give up a lot of points. 105 points to Johnson U should be their point total for 3 games. You can't expect the puppies to know everything after having played 7 college basketball games. They are learning quickly. They will only be cute little puppies for about 12 more games. They grow up so fast but they are so cute when they are young. If these kids figure out the details it's gonna be a fun season.

The kid from Huntingdon can get it. He will be a nightmare match up in the Men's USA South/Nick Mitchell Basketball Tournament.

I am still leaning towards the 27th year Seniors that Wallace has at Lagrange to 3 peat. Wagner and White have played in every GSAC and USA South game for Lagrange since they went D3. They have a ton of experience. They execute well and can make buckets. The biggest difference between those 46 year old seniors and the Scotty puppies is the ability to lock down and defend when necessary. But that skill comes with experience and no one has more experience than Wagner and White.

2 big ones coming up for the pups with Birmingham on the road and Berry in Murvul. Could lead to a great Christmas at the Lambert household. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 08, 2015, 11:47:46 AM
I hope the young'uns do not have to get beat by defensive indifference a few times before they commit themselves to the task.
Bad days on offense happen even with a ten or eleven person rotation....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 08, 2015, 02:00:31 PM
Matt,

Look forward to the matchup of big men for BSC and MC.  Avery #24 for BSC is a great D3 player.  Against LC he has 26 points 21 rebounds and 5 assists.  He dominated the game.  Outside of him, BSC has role players.  #5 could have a great game but seems to be a little inconsistent. 

Berry likes to get up the court.  Expect another shootout when MC plays BC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on December 08, 2015, 04:02:50 PM
As one of the MC football guys lurking around the basketball board, I'm just glad to see some excitement around the program again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 08, 2015, 04:37:31 PM
Yeah Scots13.  As you know, a lot of effort goes a long way toward winning and excitement.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 12, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
LaGrange used a dominant second half to beat Methodist 97-79.  Methodist was leading at half 44-39.  LC's starting guards put on a clinic in the second half.  I am hoping LaGrange can continue its winning ways when they travel down to Daytona to play Lynchburg and Eastern Connecticut. 

I was impressed by Covenant's score.  They beat a good BSC team pretty handily. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 15, 2015, 09:37:53 AM
Maryville got stomped at Birmingham Southern.  My fear that the youngscots have not adopted defense as a serious ingredient in winning ball games may have been evident.  Giving up 99 points to a 2 - 5 team should be a teaching moment.  I hope.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 15, 2015, 12:23:28 PM
Scottie,

BSC is a good team, I am surprised by their record.  I am not sure why BSC is inconsistent.  I am looking forward to how LaGrange does against Lynchburg and Eastern Connecticut.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2015, 03:24:55 PM
Randy and Raul's Scots can score, at least at home.  And lots of assists against Berry.  Maybe they will learn defense.  It is not a lack of effort or hustle.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 19, 2015, 01:25:09 PM
Lagrange is flat out good this year.  As I have said before, Wallace's SYSTEM has taken over and the guys know how to excel in his system.  His players, playing his way.   They will be tough to beat.  Murvul is full of freshman.  The spectrum of their expectations is very broad.  Hopefully they will learn to play on the road soon.  Nice christmas tourneys for both teams.  I bet both teams do well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 20, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
Looks like the Scots have at least one win on the road, although in a neutral site, and against a team with a decent record. Will be interesting to see if they can do it agian today.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 21, 2015, 11:18:06 AM
LaGrange let one get away from them yesterday.  The fell to Lynchburg by 4 but had way too many turnovers.  Mark Wagner was unbelievable, but we didn't ensure he touched the ball each time down the court. 

I am looking forward to LC bouncing back tonight and get a win against the Preseason #14 team in the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 21, 2015, 12:13:15 PM
Wagner must have touched the ball a good bit to score that much....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 21, 2015, 06:10:51 PM
Scottie,

Believe it or not, Mark didn't touch it enough.  The #3 for Lynchburg who was guarding him did a great job denying Mark the ball and then putting pressure when Mark did touch it.  Had this game been against a typical USAA team, Mark would have had 40 plus. 

LC beat Eastern Connecticut this afternoon.  A very good bounce back win.  Here's to hoping Berry can beat Lynchburg this afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 21, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
Not sure how it amounts to SOS but USAS record vs. other D3 conferences is 42-27 which puts us 8th overall in the nation.  Not too bad and should help us come NCAA tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 22, 2015, 10:29:46 AM
As the Maryville coaching tree grows....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 25, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
The Scots had a better than expected pre Christmas showing. If any team lost 3 1,000 point scorers their coaches would be in hibernation mode during the off season and most of the early part of the season. But not the Scots.  Either Randy has lost a fair amount of his mental capacity and just pushed forward like nothing happened, highly probably, or he still has it and his experience lead him to realize not what he lost but what he had. Shoffner is a knock down all south performer. There are a couple players I can't tell apart so I will call them JBo Garcia and their combined stats are sick. I still think the one guy that glues this team together is Tyler Spicer.  There is no way he could appear on an episode of Maury and not be the father. He is everyone on this teams daddy and may end up being the new daddy of the USASC now that Nick Mitchell has been promoted to grandpa status. Both Lagrange and Murvul are obviously beatable as they are not top 10 teams but they both deserve consideration for the top 25 if things progress as they have progressed so far this season. The regular season games will be a battle between these two teams.

I will make a bold statement but my pick for USASC player of the year is Tyler Spicer. He is doing things no one expected. Shoffner is the man but he is doing what he is supposed to be doing. Spicer's is not totally unexpected but he seems to have a very profound effect in the locker room. I, the grubby one, the undisputed king of southern D3 basketball, pick Tyler Spicer as most improved and appreciate the fact that his personality is really showing amongst all the Scots.

Now I couldn't post without mentioning my great uncle 57 year old Mike White and my god son Mark Wagner. Wallace knows what's going on this year south of the ATL and this is his shot to make some noise in the NCAA tourney. Gotta get their first and LC is probably the favorite at this point but it's not a given. The more they work to get there the better the chance they have of staying there for a while. That goes for either LC or MC.

Merry Christmas your USA Southers and with what's probably my last post for 2015 I have to mention the Legend Nick Mitchell. He represented what college basketball was all about at the end of the day. It's a tournament sport so be ready for the tourneys.

Hope these very talented young coaches had great Christmases with their fine young children, especially you Greal since it was your first.  Now put he wife and kids to bed and let's get it on in these conference battles. NO Mercy in 2016. Let's get two NCAA bids from the USASouth!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 26, 2015, 05:30:01 PM
As the GO says. Let's get two NCAA bids from the USASouth!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 28, 2015, 07:38:46 AM
Scottie,

I think two bids by the USASC this year is a possibility. 

Grubb,

Mark is still my odds on favorite from LC to win the MVP award because he gets the most minutes on the team.  However, my dark horse candidate is Justyn Olson.  Justin is not afraid to take the ball to the rim and gets to the line on a regular basis.  He is a better rebounder than Mark.  Mark is the better shooter and makes better decisions with the ball and Justyn splits time with Alex Bonner.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 28, 2015, 11:50:14 AM
Ben Stein
Agreed. Olson adds to the depth. He is a really good player but LC is full of really good players. Olson could be an all conference player if he was on another team b/c he could be a #1 option in this league. LC is just loaded and Wagner is just so good looking. The ladies of the USA South love him and Spicer from Murvul.  Shoffner would get love for his looks b/c his hair is too 5 all time but he tries to distract from the hair by dunking and hitting all those 3s.

I am pumped that we are going to get to see a match up between Randy and Wallace with both teams at their near best. Kendal has more veteran players and Greal. Lambert has some young super studs so the talent goes to Murvul. I can't wait  hopefully we will have a rematch in the finals of the USASouth/Nick Mitchell Men's basketball tournament finals.

I don't usually like to talk about coaches kids or families on here but I have to be honest when I say I have already had two D2 coaches inquire about Rex Wallace. That kid is young but he already understands the art of rebounding and has good size and a high basketball IQ. His dad Is gonna have to push hard to get him to come to LC! #greatgenes #breedtosucceed #blowthecollegefundnow #thekidcanboard
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on December 30, 2015, 08:26:23 PM
Matthew & Ben,

So what you are saying is that the league may get a 2nd bid other than Averett? I hope so too! That would be great for the league. Time will tell, let's play a few games in the league though before we get ahead of ourselves.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 31, 2015, 02:23:49 PM
Dixie Fan
That is a  valid point. Right now to be the man you have to beat the man and Coach Wallace is the man for the past 2 plus seasons. AU has some good wins and some big name wins that in other years would be good but not so good this year like Randy Mac, EMU, and D2 UVA wise.   It's great they have 5 wins against the ODAC. That is its own special prize!!!!
It looks like they are gonna be tough but they only see MC and LC once and the LC is in Danville. Between MC and LC, LC is the better team right now. More experience which leads to better execution and their talent is GOOD for D3. If they keep clicking they will be tough to beat but that game in Danville will be a big one for both teams. AU plays at Maryville and the young Scots will be tough to beat in Murvul. That one will be a very high scoring contest.  It's nice to see some high level competition across the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 31, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on December 31, 2015, 02:23:49 PM
Dixie Fan
That is a  valid point. Right now to be the man you have to beat the man and Coach Wallace is the man for the past 2 plus seasons. AU has some good wins and some big name wins that in other years would be good but not so good this year like Randy Mac, EMU, and D2 UVA wise.   It's great they have 5 wins against the ODAC. That is its own special prize!!!!
It looks like they are gonna be tough but they only see MC and LC once and the LC is in Danville. Between MC and LC, LC is the better team right now. More experience which leads to better execution and their talent is GOOD for D3. If they keep clicking they will be tough to beat but that game in Danville will be a big one for both teams. AU plays at Maryville and the young Scots will be tough to beat in Murvul. That one will be a very high scoring contest.  It's nice to see some high level competition across the conference.

Dixie,

I think Averett should get a bid from the ODAC.  How did you guys manage to get so many home games against that conference?  Averett is a really good team.  The USASC is loaded this year.  There are some legit teams that are going to be very hard to beat on their home court.  I honestly believe that the conference will get two bids this year.  It will be interesting to see the first regional rankings this season.  Averett, LC and MC each have one loss that they wish they could have a redo...other than that all three teams have played tough out of conference schedules and have handled themselves well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 02, 2016, 11:54:06 AM
This conversation is more fun than co  mmenting on how relatively non-competitive the USASouth is!   We shall see!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 03, 2016, 07:41:19 AM
I made my first road trip to Covenant yesterday to see Lagrange take on the other Scots.  LaGrange was lucky that their game was scheduled over the winter break.  The gym was about 40% full with hardly any students and it was LOUD at times.  Had the gym been packed with students we might have had a different outcome. 

LC dominated the first half and took the gas off the pedal and Covenant made a furious run in the 2nd half.  Not to look past Milsaps, but I am looking forward to LC's game against Maryville next Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 03, 2016, 04:46:29 PM
Ferrum downs Maryville to hand the Scots their first USAC loss of the year.  I streamed the game and it looks like Ferrum is another legit USAC team.  The conference is very good and I am looking forward to the first regional rankings to see if our perception of the conference matches those of NCAA and D3Hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 09, 2016, 04:54:03 PM
Maryville leads LC 33-32 at the half.  Honestly with the foul differential in Maryville's favor this game shouldn't be this close.  Luckily, LaGrange has found a way to keep it close.  Hopefully, LaGrange can have a big second half and get a much-needed road conference victory.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 09, 2016, 09:33:20 PM
Second half Maryville pretty much closed the door on LaGrange and got themselves untracked on offense. Spencer Shoffner was a everywhere and Logan Brewer was great...seniors leading like they are supposed to. I am sure the return game will be interesting! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 09, 2016, 10:30:17 PM
It was a lot of fun tonight. Like a night in Paris under the Eiffel Tower   Always great to see Wallace and Greal. Some of the key things Murvul did tonight were shoot the lights out and make sure Wagner had a hurt wrist. Coach Wallace needs to go Bob Huggins and wear the pullover while coaching. So many benefits such as moisture management and more pliable so his lungs can fill more and he can yell louder.  Mike white didn't disappoint. He threw MC guys to the floor with both hands at least twice then looked at the refs with a shocked look. Very veteran. JO was lack luster and no one else really stood out for LC. They fought hard in the first half but MC just wouldn't miss in the 2nd half. Can't really coach around a team that doesn't miss.  Wagner was the reliable senior who is fun to watch b/c his fundamentals are that of an excellent D3 basketball player.

MC guys were tough. Rebounded really well. #11 Eddie Murphy had back to back threes against a zone LC tried to play. Shoffner tried to show he could play with the big boys as some MC legends were in attendance including Kelvin Richardson, Bill Padgett, and Chris Housewright. Shoffner shot the ball well and put in a Jason Poag type performance. Coach Placeres did an all around great job. Apparently he lit a fire under Brewer who travelled on his 3rd and only REAL dunk of the night.  Logan needs to bring this intensity every night as he alone is the difference in this team being a good USASC team and a good south region team. The duo of Shoffner and Brewer is good enough to lead this team the NCAA tourney if they want it. J-Bo Garcia was steady and flashy as always.  Spicer seemed to be in a little bit of a funk tonight but he has a lot of pressure and stress on him as he is everyone's Daddy.  Everyone needs to rewatch the web cast and listen for the soon to be famous chubby kid chuckle from MC commentator Kris Sigmund.  Did I mention anything bout Coach Lambert?  Was he there?  Did he actually beat Wallace?  Yes he was there and showed his protégé that the veteran still has some tricks up his sleeve.

It was a great night to be at Boydson Baird and it will be a very very intense night in Feb in Lagrange when they meet again. LC will give their signature intense man to man pressure and give up on the zone stuff. Tonight was a matchup of 2 good D3 teams that need to be watched by the regional committee. Not saying either team is at the peak yet but there was some good basketball in Boydson Baird as if it was the turn of the millennium.

And if anyone hasn't figured it out, HasselShoff is POY in this conference. That guy makes it rain and has great hair. Wagner is an all conference player.  Again great hair and rock solid fundamentals. Brewer might be all conference. Hoppa will be a 2 time all conference performer and so will Nokes. The future is super bright for this crew.  My COY award is still undecided as I think the award needs to be opened up to assistants as Greal and Placeres are icons and a good part of the reason the place was packed.  Well 40% of the people there were there to see them.

I sure hope the USASOUTH/Nick Mitchell Tourney is in Murvul so we can make that place rock and get real real weird. GO Scots!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 10, 2016, 05:15:58 PM
Believe it or not, but we are pretty much halfway through the 2015-16 season and there are plenty of teams still surprising and records being rewritten.

Tonight on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) we chat with the fourth person to reach the 900 wins in men's college basketball, a woman who keeps herself very busy even when she isn't coaching, and several other teams who are surprising everyone by leading their conference races.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 10, 2016, 11:03:51 PM
Mr.   Grubby's description of Saturday seems pretty accurate.  He left out how much fun it was for a stranger to show up in the women's game wearing a Scot uniform and throwing down 29 points as the women dispatched LaGrange and set the tone for the day.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 11, 2016, 02:46:09 PM
It was like LaGrange decided not to play that game.  It was a truly sad day to be a Panther fan.  Luckily, we will get a rematch in LaGrange. 

Mike White needs to learn not to complain so much.  He needs to funnel that emotion on the court and not direct towards the officials. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 11, 2016, 02:51:57 PM
Mike White is a senior.  Grubby thinks he has been playing for the Panthers for a decade.  I bet he has learned what he is going to learn about these matters.

Rematch should be fun.  Lots will have happened by then that will set the stage but the rivalry will be there no matter what the standings are by then.

It is good that this is becoming a conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 11, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
Not a single vote for a USASC team in the new top 25 poll and the biggest reason is the averett loss to Va Wesleyan or the Murvul loss to BSC or the LC loss to Lynchburg.

Dang.  And only one ODAC team ranked Roanoke. It's tough being in the south region this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 11, 2016, 09:15:31 PM
It is really tough to nail it down to 25 teams. I have been doing this a long time and I feel every week like I am searching for teams to replace teams I thought were the right ones... or worse, replacing the ones I thought were good who clearly didn't add up after a few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 12, 2016, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 11, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
Not a single vote for a USASC team in the new top 25 poll and the biggest reason is the averett loss to Va Wesleyan or the Murvul loss to BSC or the LC loss to Lynchburg.

Dang.  And only one ODAC team ranked Roanoke. It's tough being in the south region this year.

Most teams have one bad loss, and the USA South is 10th in non-conference games out of 44 conferences.  That isn't enough for a ranking.  The problem is the South has very few votes and no one from the East or Midwest is going to vote for Southern teams that they don't play or have never seen play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2016, 12:06:51 AM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 12, 2016, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 11, 2016, 06:50:45 PM
Not a single vote for a USASC team in the new top 25 poll and the biggest reason is the averett loss to Va Wesleyan or the Murvul loss to BSC or the LC loss to Lynchburg.

Dang.  And only one ODAC team ranked Roanoke. It's tough being in the south region this year.

Most teams have one bad loss, and the USA South is 10th in non-conference games out of 44 conferences.  That isn't enough for a ranking.  The problem is the South has very few votes and no one from the East or Midwest is going to vote for Southern teams that they don't play or have never seen play.

Well... that's not exactly how the poll actually bears out. There are 24 voters representing each of the eight regions - three voters a region - and Pat Coleman makes up the 25th. I have found that MANY voters take on a very national approach and do their best to actually watch games around the country to better understand teams. I know of Midwest and East voters who will absolutely vote for Southern teams maybe more than they will vote for their own, believe it or not.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 13, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
Come on, Dave!  How can we feel persecuted if you introduce actual information into our conversations?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2016, 12:29:10 PM
Ha! Terribly sorry about that... didn't mean to sidetrack the persecution. On with the denial of existence. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 13, 2016, 03:15:43 PM
IMO the best thing the USA-S can hope for is that one of its teams make a post-season run. The only trouble with that is its hard to do with a bad seed. Catch 22 ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 13, 2016, 09:29:05 PM
No it's not.  Ask Randy lambert. 2 sweet 16s and an elite 8 under his belt.  It's been a couple years but he has talent both physically and mentally again. And the old big dog is hungry. I know Wallace is Hungry too at Lagrange and last year he lost to Whitworth.  His guys know what time it is when they get in the tourney now. They are not shell shocked.  Murvul is a nightmare team to match up with in a tournament. Depth. Explosive offensively.  Guys who like to rebound.  I will say it again....if Logan Brewer decides to make it happen then Murvul is a team that could make a run.  Strong point guard.  Long athletic 3. Strong 4 man who can shoot the three. And they are too young and naive to know they aren't supposed to win. 
Soencer Shoffner is the second best player in the USA South. I will let you all know who #1 is soon if you can't guess it
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 13, 2016, 10:04:53 PM


Well... that's not exactly how the poll actually bears out. There are 24 voters representing each of the eight regions - three voters a region - and Pat Coleman makes up the 25th. I have found that MANY voters take on a very national approach and do their best to actually watch games around the country to better understand teams. I know of Midwest and East voters who will absolutely vote for Southern teams maybe more than they will vote for their own, believe it or not.
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Dave,

Can you reveal who has the three votes for the South region?  When Rhodes beats Amherst and LaGrange and Maryville beat Emory and other good wins by USAC and ODAC schools and there is no representation in the national poll then something doesn't add up. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 13, 2016, 10:11:54 PM
I just returned from watching Lagrange dominate Huntingdon 100-67.  I am trying to remember the score, but Lagrange after being up 25 in the first half let Huntingdon back into the game in the 2nd half.  Lagrange was only up 11, and the score was something like 63-52 with eleven minutes to go.  With just under six to go, LaGrange was emptying the bench and the score was something like 91-55.  Clark Kellog would say this team has spurtability.  LaGrange went on a 28-3 run over 5 minutes.  LaGrange had 26 assists on the night.  I may be fuzzy on the details, but I think that gives a fair and mostly accurate description of the second half. 

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 14, 2016, 11:33:06 AM
That's kinda my point Grubby One. I didn't sat it was impossible, just hard. Let's take that first Maryville team.( It was more than a couple of years ago) They made a run, got attention, started showing up in the polls and thus got better seeds. Now can this team do that ?  IDK Maybe.( You think they can and I believe you.) I hope a team does it . I will be pulling for the team that makes it through the conference tourney. It can only help the conference as a whole. Maybe even get two bids someday.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 13, 2016, 10:04:53 PM


Well... that's not exactly how the poll actually bears out. There are 24 voters representing each of the eight regions - three voters a region - and Pat Coleman makes up the 25th. I have found that MANY voters take on a very national approach and do their best to actually watch games around the country to better understand teams. I know of Midwest and East voters who will absolutely vote for Southern teams maybe more than they will vote for their own, believe it or not.

Dave,

Can you reveal who has the three votes for the South region?  When Rhodes beats Amherst and LaGrange and Maryville beat Emory and other good wins by USAC and ODAC schools and there is no representation in the national poll then something doesn't add up.
[/quote]

I would if I could... but I do not know them all. I only know about half of the voters and learned of a new one last night, who coincidently was a South Region voter. And because we don't publish the names in the first place, it wouldn't be my place to release that information. I do know two of the three voters, though, and they take their jobs seriously. But remember one other thing, just because they are from the South Region doesn't mean they vote mainly for the South Region. I technically represent the Mid-Atlantic Region, but that doesn't mean I vote heavy on the MA - you actually find I am more critical of the region.

Let me also point out that just because Rhodes beat Amherst doesn't mean they should be a Top 25 team. I have not changed my first place vote from Augustana just because Elmhurst beat them. It isn't that cut and dry. Furthermore, just because Maryville beat Emory doesn't mean what it meant last year. Emory is not nearly as good as last year's squad (they will tell you) and thus that win doesn't carry as much weight as it used to. Also, it isn't just about the wins... losses hurt as well. The entire resume is examined.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 14, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
Winning games is the magic sauce for any team without a national reputation, no matter how deserved the rep may be.  It occasionally has seemed that "the South" has a reputation challenge but the ODAC usually shows up well in the polling.  The USASouth may finally have enough seriously competitive teams to chip away.  But we gotta beat people!

Mr. Grubby:  I am sure you have explained all this to Logan....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 14, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Dave,

I am not saying Rhodes is a top 25 team.  My argument is that when given the chance teams from SAA, ODAC, and USA South are beating traditionally national powerhouse teams this season.  I submit that there are some quality teams in the USA South and ODAC that are getting overlooked because they are not traditional powerhouse programs.  If you look at the body of work of Maryville you would have to say that they have earned consideration for a national ranking.  When the #3 team in the nation can lose handily to an average to good SAA team then maybe the voters are not giving the due consideration to Southern teams.  I think the whole body of work for teams in the USA South and ODAC are getting.

For instance, Virginia Wesleyan and Emory had an off year for them in their pre-conference schedule.  The presumption is they aren't that good this year.  However, the opposite could also be true that teams in the South are playing better basketball in the past and it is a lot hard to dominate. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 14, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
I remember years ago when Maryville started winning a lot of games, a lot of us complained, as is Ben Stein fan, about being slighted by the national gurus.  LaGrange is now in a similar situation...building a good and winning program and not getting a lot of love.  All I can say is that Mr. Grubby's comments (and mine, for that matter) about needing to just keep winning are the best tool we have "down here."  Of course if there are three or four good teams in the USASouth, they will beat each other and have losses on their record.  This has been the case with the ODAC for a while.  Gotta win tournament games!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 14, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Dave,

I am not saying Rhodes is a top 25 team.  My argument is that when given the chance teams from SAA, ODAC, and USA South are beating traditionally national powerhouse teams this season.  I submit that there are some quality teams in the USA South and ODAC that are getting overlooked because they are not traditional powerhouse programs.  If you look at the body of work of Maryville you would have to say that they have earned consideration for a national ranking.  When the #3 team in the nation can lose handily to an average to good SAA team then maybe the voters are not giving the due consideration to Southern teams.  I think the whole body of work for teams in the USA South and ODAC are getting.

For instance, Virginia Wesleyan and Emory had an off year for them in their pre-conference schedule.  The presumption is they aren't that good this year.  However, the opposite could also be true that teams in the South are playing better basketball in the past and it is a lot hard to dominate.

I get what you are saying... but if the voters know Emory and VWC are done this season, a victory over them carries less weight. For example, an early season win over VWC has far more weight at the time than that same victory looks right now. So teams might have been on the verge of getting votes then, but now less likely.

But the reason challenge this year has to do with the fact there are a TON of good teams and not a lot of great teams. Parity in Division III men's basketball is incredible this season. The number of two and three loss teams coupled with how many predominantly strong programs who don't look strong has created a quagmire when trying to figure out who the best 25 teams in the country are week to week. I know I have 50 squads, but I probably have closer to 70 teams on my list that an argument could be made they deserve a Top 25 vote. Each week I am shuffling out four or more teams on my ballot - that is unheard of! As a result, it is hard to really put a finger on who are the best and who are close, but not quite there. There are a lot of teams that all look the same when breaking it down.

Another bit of food for thought... the Top 25 is a pretty difficult thing to get into, to be blunt. Because of the size of the division... only 6.0% of schools can say they are in the Top 25. In Division I, it's 7.1%. In Division II, it's 7.8%. It's really, really hard to be ranked in the Top 25 especially in such a diverse division.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 15, 2016, 09:43:18 PM
Good road win for the young scots.  They tried to give MCW every chance to come back with lack of execution and missed free throws.  this one could have been ugly if the scots made free throws.  I know Lambert is pumped.  He has a strut I haven't seen since '08. 

thanks to some savvy video work by Coach P I can now tell Bowyer and Garcia apart.  Garcia is the one that can dunk and Bowyer is the one that gets technicals. 

The box score looks awesome for the scots.  They got production in crazy places.  Scoring from Bowyer, Eddie Murphy, and Spicer.  T Spice was throwing daggers in the second half.  He hit three 3s to really slowed the bishops momentum and thats why he is everyone's daddy.

That puts Murvul in first in the conference and it does look like LC and MC are the two best teams.  One think I don't want anyone to miss is that Hoppa had 8 boards and 4 assists from the small forward position.  This kid is gonna shine.  Also, it was an off night for Hasselshoff and he was still in double figures and his team still beat the team that was first in the conference on the road. 

Also the NCW broadcasters aren't near the internet sensation that Kris "chubby kid chuckle" Sigmund is so the game was only somewhat entertaining on the webcast.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 17, 2016, 02:49:49 AM
LaGrange College pulled something off tonight that hasn't been down for quite a while.  LC beat Columbia International University by more than 30 points.  It is the first time since the 93-94 season that a LaGrange College basketball team has won back to back games by 30 points or more.

More impressive is that Mark Wagner didn't score in the game, and we still won by a huge number.  LaGrange pulled Olson, Wagner, and Ford with 14 minutes to go in the 2nd half and then pulled White and Vanderbrook with 12 minutes to go and still crushed CUI. 

I saw where Maryville lost to William Peace this afternoon.  That is a shocker, but even more, of a shocker is Covenant sets alone as the USA South leader at 4-1.  I am glad LaGrange played them in early January when the students were away because that gym can get really loud.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 17, 2016, 10:17:22 AM
Covenant gets to go to Maryville this week and meet the MC Scots after the loss at William P.  I suspect Randy'a team will be motivated.  Should be fun.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 17, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
I see that Jay Boyer did not play against Wm. P and played a lot the day before....wonder what's up with that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 17, 2016, 05:12:35 PM
Bowyer rolled his ankle in like the last 5 seconds. No ankle braces on. That's why I always say don't trust short people. They took one on the chin without him. Missed a lot of free throws and weren't as smooth in their offense as one would expect without him. He will be back. Covenant is the surprise or that NCW lost 2 games at home this weekend.

Yea and the Lagrange weekend and I'm so happy to say this:  play someone real and talk about wins. I know they played #1 ranked Whitworth last year in the NCAA tourney last year so they know what the real goal is and what real teams look like. Wallace has his priorities in line. Although it is nice to have a dominant weekend, this isn't the weekend that will define their season. I'm pretty sure CIU didn't HOLD Wagner scoreless, he just didn't get a turn as everyone else was unloading on CUI.

The Fake Scots will get theirs soon enough.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 14, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Dave,

I am not saying Rhodes is a top 25 team.  My argument is that when given the chance teams from SAA, ODAC, and USA South are beating traditionally national powerhouse teams this season.  I submit that there are some quality teams in the USA South and ODAC that are getting overlooked because they are not traditional powerhouse programs.  If you look at the body of work of Maryville you would have to say that they have earned consideration for a national ranking.  When the #3 team in the nation can lose handily to an average to good SAA team then maybe the voters are not giving the due consideration to Southern teams.  I think the whole body of work for teams in the USA South and ODAC are getting.

For instance, Virginia Wesleyan and Emory had an off year for them in their pre-conference schedule.  The presumption is they aren't that good this year.  However, the opposite could also be true that teams in the South are playing better basketball in the past and it is a lot hard to dominate.

I get what you are saying... but if the voters know Emory and VWC are done this season, a victory over them carries less weight. For example, an early season win over VWC has far more weight at the time than that same victory looks right now. So teams might have been on the verge of getting votes then, but now less likely.

But the reason challenge this year has to do with the fact there are a TON of good teams and not a lot of great teams. Parity in Division III men's basketball is incredible this season. The number of two and three loss teams coupled with how many predominantly strong programs who don't look strong has created a quagmire when trying to figure out who the best 25 teams in the country are week to week. I know I have 50 squads, but I probably have closer to 70 teams on my list that an argument could be made they deserve a Top 25 vote. Each week I am shuffling out four or more teams on my ballot - that is unheard of! As a result, it is hard to really put a finger on who are the best and who are close, but not quite there. There are a lot of teams that all look the same when breaking it down.

Another bit of food for thought... the Top 25 is a pretty difficult thing to get into, to be blunt. Because of the size of the division... only 6.0% of schools can say they are in the Top 25. In Division I, it's 7.1%. In Division II, it's 7.8%. It's really, really hard to be ranked in the Top 25 especially in such a diverse division.

Dave,

The current Top 25 poll is an example of what I mean there is a regional bias in the D3 polling.  From the most recent article on D3hoops.com on Washington U.

"Six men's teams and six women's teams from the Central Region were among the Top 25 this week."

If there are eight regions and 25 teams in the poll, the fact that one region has six teams suggests to me that there is a regional bias in the voting.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2016, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 14, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Dave,

I am not saying Rhodes is a top 25 team.  My argument is that when given the chance teams from SAA, ODAC, and USA South are beating traditionally national powerhouse teams this season.  I submit that there are some quality teams in the USA South and ODAC that are getting overlooked because they are not traditional powerhouse programs.  If you look at the body of work of Maryville you would have to say that they have earned consideration for a national ranking.  When the #3 team in the nation can lose handily to an average to good SAA team then maybe the voters are not giving the due consideration to Southern teams.  I think the whole body of work for teams in the USA South and ODAC are getting.

For instance, Virginia Wesleyan and Emory had an off year for them in their pre-conference schedule.  The presumption is they aren't that good this year.  However, the opposite could also be true that teams in the South are playing better basketball in the past and it is a lot hard to dominate.

I get what you are saying... but if the voters know Emory and VWC are done this season, a victory over them carries less weight. For example, an early season win over VWC has far more weight at the time than that same victory looks right now. So teams might have been on the verge of getting votes then, but now less likely.

But the reason challenge this year has to do with the fact there are a TON of good teams and not a lot of great teams. Parity in Division III men's basketball is incredible this season. The number of two and three loss teams coupled with how many predominantly strong programs who don't look strong has created a quagmire when trying to figure out who the best 25 teams in the country are week to week. I know I have 50 squads, but I probably have closer to 70 teams on my list that an argument could be made they deserve a Top 25 vote. Each week I am shuffling out four or more teams on my ballot - that is unheard of! As a result, it is hard to really put a finger on who are the best and who are close, but not quite there. There are a lot of teams that all look the same when breaking it down.

Another bit of food for thought... the Top 25 is a pretty difficult thing to get into, to be blunt. Because of the size of the division... only 6.0% of schools can say they are in the Top 25. In Division I, it's 7.1%. In Division II, it's 7.8%. It's really, really hard to be ranked in the Top 25 especially in such a diverse division.

Dave,

The current Top 25 poll is an example of what I mean there is a regional bias in the D3 polling.  From the most recent article on D3hoops.com on Washington U.

"Six men's teams and six women's teams from the Central Region were among the Top 25 this week."

If there are eight regions and 25 teams in the poll, the fact that one region has six teams suggests to me that there is a regional bias in the voting.

Or maybe it is that the Central has both the WIAC and CCIW - perennially two of the top 3 or 4 conferences in D3.  The WIAC alone has won four of the last six national titles in men's bball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
It is a continuous loop; the "strongest" conferences get so many votes then they get the best seeds, which in turn keeps the same teams at the top. Therefore, six teams from one region are in the Top 25.  Therefore, they don't have to travel far to play tournament games until the final four.  Just seems that because D3 travel limitations you don't get that many out of region games to see which teams are the strongest team.   D3 polls are perfectly set up for this continual loop that keeps the same teams at the top of the polling. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2016, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 14, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Dave,

I am not saying Rhodes is a top 25 team.  My argument is that when given the chance teams from SAA, ODAC, and USA South are beating traditionally national powerhouse teams this season.  I submit that there are some quality teams in the USA South and ODAC that are getting overlooked because they are not traditional powerhouse programs.  If you look at the body of work of Maryville you would have to say that they have earned consideration for a national ranking.  When the #3 team in the nation can lose handily to an average to good SAA team then maybe the voters are not giving the due consideration to Southern teams.  I think the whole body of work for teams in the USA South and ODAC are getting.

For instance, Virginia Wesleyan and Emory had an off year for them in their pre-conference schedule.  The presumption is they aren't that good this year.  However, the opposite could also be true that teams in the South are playing better basketball in the past and it is a lot hard to dominate.

I get what you are saying... but if the voters know Emory and VWC are done this season, a victory over them carries less weight. For example, an early season win over VWC has far more weight at the time than that same victory looks right now. So teams might have been on the verge of getting votes then, but now less likely.

But the reason challenge this year has to do with the fact there are a TON of good teams and not a lot of great teams. Parity in Division III men's basketball is incredible this season. The number of two and three loss teams coupled with how many predominantly strong programs who don't look strong has created a quagmire when trying to figure out who the best 25 teams in the country are week to week. I know I have 50 squads, but I probably have closer to 70 teams on my list that an argument could be made they deserve a Top 25 vote. Each week I am shuffling out four or more teams on my ballot - that is unheard of! As a result, it is hard to really put a finger on who are the best and who are close, but not quite there. There are a lot of teams that all look the same when breaking it down.

Another bit of food for thought... the Top 25 is a pretty difficult thing to get into, to be blunt. Because of the size of the division... only 6.0% of schools can say they are in the Top 25. In Division I, it's 7.1%. In Division II, it's 7.8%. It's really, really hard to be ranked in the Top 25 especially in such a diverse division.

Dave,

The current Top 25 poll is an example of what I mean there is a regional bias in the D3 polling.  From the most recent article on D3hoops.com on Washington U.

"Six men's teams and six women's teams from the Central Region were among the Top 25 this week."

If there are eight regions and 25 teams in the poll, the fact that one region has six teams suggests to me that there is a regional bias in the voting.

Or maybe it is that the Central has both the WIAC and CCIW - perennially two of the top 3 or 4 conferences in D3.  The WIAC alone has won four of the last six national titles in men's bball.
IMHO, the Central and the Midwest Regions are the toughest in D3, kinda like the SEC West in football.

Are the Power Conferences still the WIAC, the CCIW, the NESCAC, the UAA  (and possibly the ODAC in most years)?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2016, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2016, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 14, 2016, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 14, 2016, 04:41:00 PM
Dave,

I am not saying Rhodes is a top 25 team.  My argument is that when given the chance teams from SAA, ODAC, and USA South are beating traditionally national powerhouse teams this season.  I submit that there are some quality teams in the USA South and ODAC that are getting overlooked because they are not traditional powerhouse programs.  If you look at the body of work of Maryville you would have to say that they have earned consideration for a national ranking.  When the #3 team in the nation can lose handily to an average to good SAA team then maybe the voters are not giving the due consideration to Southern teams.  I think the whole body of work for teams in the USA South and ODAC are getting.

For instance, Virginia Wesleyan and Emory had an off year for them in their pre-conference schedule.  The presumption is they aren't that good this year.  However, the opposite could also be true that teams in the South are playing better basketball in the past and it is a lot hard to dominate.

I get what you are saying... but if the voters know Emory and VWC are done this season, a victory over them carries less weight. For example, an early season win over VWC has far more weight at the time than that same victory looks right now. So teams might have been on the verge of getting votes then, but now less likely.

But the reason challenge this year has to do with the fact there are a TON of good teams and not a lot of great teams. Parity in Division III men's basketball is incredible this season. The number of two and three loss teams coupled with how many predominantly strong programs who don't look strong has created a quagmire when trying to figure out who the best 25 teams in the country are week to week. I know I have 50 squads, but I probably have closer to 70 teams on my list that an argument could be made they deserve a Top 25 vote. Each week I am shuffling out four or more teams on my ballot - that is unheard of! As a result, it is hard to really put a finger on who are the best and who are close, but not quite there. There are a lot of teams that all look the same when breaking it down.

Another bit of food for thought... the Top 25 is a pretty difficult thing to get into, to be blunt. Because of the size of the division... only 6.0% of schools can say they are in the Top 25. In Division I, it's 7.1%. In Division II, it's 7.8%. It's really, really hard to be ranked in the Top 25 especially in such a diverse division.

Dave,

The current Top 25 poll is an example of what I mean there is a regional bias in the D3 polling.  From the most recent article on D3hoops.com on Washington U.

"Six men's teams and six women's teams from the Central Region were among the Top 25 this week."

If there are eight regions and 25 teams in the poll, the fact that one region has six teams suggests to me that there is a regional bias in the voting.

Or maybe it is that the Central has both the WIAC and CCIW - perennially two of the top 3 or 4 conferences in D3.  The WIAC alone has won four of the last six national titles in men's bball.
IMHO, the Central and the Midwest Regions are the toughest in D3, kinda like the SEC West in football.

Are the Power Conferences still the WIAC, the CCIW, the NESCAC, the UAA  (and possibly the ODAC in most years)?

This year the NESCAC seems down, ODAC seems down, UAA still to be determined.  But the OAC seems suddenly to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2016, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
It is a continuous loop; the "strongest" conferences get so many votes then they get the best seeds, which in turn keeps the same teams at the top. Therefore, six teams from one region are in the Top 25.  Therefore, they don't have to travel far to play tournament games until the final four.  Just seems that because D3 travel limitations you don't get that many out of region games to see which teams are the strongest team.   D3 polls are perfectly set up for this continual loop that keeps the same teams at the top of the polling.

You need to get up to speed on how D3 works.  The D3hoops.com poll has NOTHING to do with NCAA tournament selection or seeding.  Zip, zero, nada.

Do your homework, then rejoin the conversation.  Don't continue to embarrass yourself.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Swish3 on January 20, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
You out there, narch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on January 20, 2016, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2016, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
It is a continuous loop; the "strongest" conferences get so many votes then they get the best seeds, which in turn keeps the same teams at the top. Therefore, six teams from one region are in the Top 25.  Therefore, they don't have to travel far to play tournament games until the final four.  Just seems that because D3 travel limitations you don't get that many out of region games to see which teams are the strongest team.   D3 polls are perfectly set up for this continual loop that keeps the same teams at the top of the polling.

You need to get up to speed on how D3 works.  The D3hoops.com poll has NOTHING to do with NCAA tournament selection or seeding.  Zip, zero, nada.

Do your homework, then rejoin the conversation.  Don't continue to embarrass yourself.

I apologize for misstating the connection between D3Hoops.com poll and the NCAA.  That wasn't what I meant to imply but can clearly see from rereading my statement how it came across that way.  However, I do believe that reputation plays a part on how the NCAA selects seeding.  It has to because so few teams can travel the long distances to play teams out of their region.  How many Central Region teams came to the South region to play games out of conference this year or vice versa?  So, how does the NCAA know how different regions stack up against other teams?  Based on statistics alone?  I seriously doubt that. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on January 20, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 20, 2016, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 19, 2016, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on January 19, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
It is a continuous loop; the "strongest" conferences get so many votes then they get the best seeds, which in turn keeps the same teams at the top. Therefore, six teams from one region are in the Top 25.  Therefore, they don't have to travel far to play tournament games until the final four.  Just seems that because D3 travel limitations you don't get that many out of region games to see which teams are the strongest team.   D3 polls are perfectly set up for this continual loop that keeps the same teams at the top of the polling.
You need to get up to speed on how D3 works.  The D3hoops.com poll has NOTHING to do with NCAA tournament selection or seeding.  Zip, zero, nada.

Do your homework, then rejoin the conversation.  Don't continue to embarrass yourself.

I apologize for misstating the connection between D3Hoops.com poll and the NCAA.  That wasn't what I meant to imply but can clearly see from rereading my statement how it came across that way.  However, I do believe that reputation plays a part on how the NCAA selects seeding.  It has to because so few teams can travel the long distances to play teams out of their region.  How many Central Region teams came to the South region to play games out of conference this year or vice versa?  So, how does the NCAA know how different regions stack up against other teams?  Based on statistics alone?  I seriously doubt that.
More mixing of apples and oranges---1)Reputation plays no part in D3 that is more a D1 thing 2)As you will discover this season, in D3 the bracketing is all about cost, cost and more cost. How different teams or regions stack up against each other does not really come into play other than teams within conferences not facing each other in first rounds. 3) Some seasons it seems the committee uses the old magic 8 ball to select portions of the bracket
Suggest you go to D3hoops.com ---go to News-Men's News- Regional Rankings look through that and be sure to look at the link in that page  "Check out our NCAA Tournament FAQ" which will help explain
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2016, 10:12:58 PM
Ben, please do a search of the boards for the term "Bracket of Death".

Several years, the bracketing has had Top 25 teams filling out essentially one entire quarter of the bracket.

The Midwest and Central Regions are loaded with talented teams.

My ASC bias envies the teams coming out of the East, Atlantic Mid-Atlantic and the "non-NESCAC" bracket of Northeast Regional.

IMHO, the ASC does best when we don't go into the Great Lakes Region Central or Midwest Region until very late. (UT-Dallas might match up best against those regions.)

Look where the champions come from. 
http://www.d3hoops.com/archives/index
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2016, 08:25:04 PM
Wow - stepped away for a short time and the stalwarts of the boards handle this all for me... thanks guys!

You might not like that your team isn't ranked, but the reality is - especially this year - it is really, really hard to get ranked and stay ranked. Do me a favor and tell me which teams you think should be ranked and I will try and take some time during the pending blizzard in my area and as long as the power remains to try and give you my reasons why they should or shouldn't be ranked. I promise you this: it won't make you happy because I will be blunt from my point of view, but at least you will hear my opinions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 22, 2016, 11:28:58 AM
The Scots vs. Scots game at Maryville was not a pretty sight for the home team.  Coach Lambert suggested in the paper that his team got outworked.  Pretty much what I saw.  Covenant got way too many layups and offensive rebounds.  What say you, Mr. Grubby?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2016, 05:14:41 PM
there really isn't a team in the USA South that deserves to be ranked.   UGH.  My scots lost to the Fake Scots at home.  Ugh.  I was lied to about snow and now my kids are pissed.  Ugh.  HasselShoff is only scoring in the first half.  Ugh.  At least Randall has tools to work with so he will right the ship.  The scots jump out on people and then get nervous and play not to lose and thats not how these clowns want to play.  These clowns want to have fun on every play.  Thats tough to do when you get up big early.  They will be fine.  We still love watching these clowns as they are very entertaining.  They are going to be really good in the next couple of years and hopefully they will continue to have as much fun. 

Lagrange is winning.  After getting blown out in Murvul.  Ugh.  Maybe that was their mistake game.  good college teams have a mistake game about every 10 games.  Usually college kids don't have the ability to focus long term so they will make mistakes on their own if you just let them.  I think thats what happened to LC in Murvul.  Anyway I need the maker of men and disciple of defense and his incredibly attractive associate head coach to make a run in the tourney this year.  They know what it takes.  They saw Whitworth last year.  Hopefully they worked all summer getting ready for this time of year.  They have a long long week ahead of them.  I don't think they have the ability to focus and perform for 3 straight long distance road games but if they do it will say a lot for who is ready to go and who is ready to fold in this conference.

So far I still think Shoffner is the best player in the conference.  Wagner is a close second.  The King kid from William Peace was nice that night.  I didn't think any individual player from Covenant was that impressive but their team as a whole was nice.  NCW is very athletic and will be a nightmare match up in the conference tournament aka The USACAC/NM MBT.  (New abbreviation for the USA South Athletic Conference/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament). 

I wanna see a rematch of last year's conference championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 30, 2016, 11:53:49 AM
It is not clear why Methodist has not had a better season.  They have some good players and were too much for Maryville after the Scots forgot how to defend.  Or rebound.  They forgot the defense part in the second half against Covenant the game before.  Maybe young'uns do not really understand that is a necessary part of winning basketball games.  I hope they come to understand this soon.  What say you, Mr. Grubby?   

Narch:  Are you around?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on February 01, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
http://www.usasouth.net/aotw/2015-16/2-1-16pow

How about Ferrum this week! Went 2-1 and have knocked off both LaGrange and Maryville at home this season. One of the rookies even got some love, see above link.  This league is full of parity. It is anyone's tournament win. 





Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2016, 02:21:16 PM
Hey Grubby:  What happened to Colt Nokes?  He did not play against either Methodist or Greensboro.  Fortunately, both Scales and Howard for Greensboro are seniors!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:42:17 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: batteredbard on February 08, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
I think parity is the word for the men's side of USA South this year.
Most conference brackets have one team with a six or eight seed that no one wants to play, I don't think there's going to be a better seeded team in the USAC comfortable with their pairing when this is said and done.

To weigh in on the ongoing ... discussion ... on the poll voting:
As someone who had a vote for a couple of seasons while covering the South Region, Dave is dead on. There is a ton of information to sort through even with the capsule summaries of who won against who in the last week. If anything I think I tended to lean away from the South if I was in doubt if a team was a 17 or a 20, and many times found the voters from other regions had thought better of the South team than I had when the poll came out and that team was a 15 or 16 that week.

I think most conscientious poll voters realize they may have a regional bias and if anything overcompensate for it by being harder on teams they know well than they are on the ones they only know from streaming or stat sheets in the dark old days of the green screens and VAX.

As I haven't posted these up this season, here are a couple links. be judicious, it's five free stories in a 30-day time period.

Averett 78, MC 75   http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/scots-comeback-bid-falls-short-against-averett/article_498f9e23-ca46-57d9-9956-332cbfcdb7ab.html (http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/scots-comeback-bid-falls-short-against-averett/article_498f9e23-ca46-57d9-9956-332cbfcdb7ab.html)

Methodist 91, MC 76   http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/methodist-storms-back-to-down-mc-men/article_cf1b20c5-22e6-5d72-8b2b-11a4386df01a.html (http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/methodist-storms-back-to-down-mc-men/article_cf1b20c5-22e6-5d72-8b2b-11a4386df01a.html)

Greensboro 91, MC 76  http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/scots-slide-continues-with-home-loss-to-greensboro/article_a4ca749a-96c2-573b-836a-05b5993edfe2.html (http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/scots-slide-continues-with-home-loss-to-greensboro/article_a4ca749a-96c2-573b-836a-05b5993edfe2.html)

Covenenat 91, MC 87: http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/covenant-knocks-off-maryville-men/article_db07bdea-105e-5808-852f-b919e0a616ee.html (http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/covenant-knocks-off-maryville-men/article_db07bdea-105e-5808-852f-b919e0a616ee.html)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 08, 2016, 06:43:03 PM
Thanks, BB.  How come you are so scarce in the Daily Times these days?  I miss your work.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:57:17 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2016, 10:11:22 AM
Hey Grubby One:

Do you still look forward to the tournament?  Seems like anyone can beat anyone, mostly.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 15, 2016, 10:19:29 AM
Proud of my Lions. Two big road wins.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 15, 2016, 02:03:31 PM
Wednesday should be interesting!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 17, 2016, 02:01:07 PM
I agree. Both teams seem to have righted the ship this past weekend. A win will make a difference in post season seeding. Assuming both teams are in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 18, 2016, 12:06:17 PM
How many teams get in the men's tournament? Maryville may have played themselves out....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 19, 2016, 08:33:43 AM
I'm thinking eight. If so, the way I see it Maryville must beat Covenant and William Peace must lose. Unless there is a three way tie and then I have no idea.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 23, 2016, 02:13:42 AM
Sorry, gentlemen that I have been away for a while.  I have moved and have been traveling for work which always makes for little time to post.  Luckily, I will have some downtown this week to hopefully enjoy some USA South Basketball.  I am intrigued by these first round match-ups. While I am always interested in watching LaGrange College play, I am looking forward to the Averett/NC Wesleyan game.  This game exemplifies how even all eight teams are heading into the tournament.  If I had said at the beginning of conference play that Averett would have a losing conference record and be the 8th seed, we would have all been shocked.  To me, it won't be an upset if Averett wins this game but will be, based on the seeding.

Coach Wallace will have these guys ready for tournament time.  I think the rotation is set, and Mark Wagner and Justyn Olsen seemed primed to defend the USA South Conference Tournament Championship belt.  These guys will not go down without a fight, and I expect Ferrum to give them all they can handle.

I am shocked, yes shocked, that Maryville did not make the conference tournament.  Again, that shows how tough this conference is and how little respect it gets by the MSM (D3 Hoops.com).  Maryville is a very good team that had a pretty good pre-conference record against some quality foes.   Will the Maryville fans pull for LaGrange College or does it hurt too much to know that the apprentice has now become the Master?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:19:26 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
I can speak only for myself but I am absolutely pulling for LaGrange, which as you know lost twice to the Master. If Logan Brewer had not been out the last two games with a broken wrist, the Scots might have made the field.

If Maryville can keep this bunch of young'uns together next year (and find some big people), the worm may turn.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 24, 2016, 03:39:53 PM
Scottie,

With Byrd coming back, Maryville will be extremely difficult next year.  Maryville has a good team this year.  I would have hate to have faced them a third time in the tournament.

We all know that college basketball is a tournament sport.  It doesn't matter what you do during the regular season, it only matters what you do come tournament time. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2016, 04:07:43 PM
Byrd will graduate this spring with his class. There will be one returning senior, Tyler Spicer.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on February 26, 2016, 06:58:14 PM
I am sure everyone has had a chance to look at the post season awards.  They got it wrong.  What it should have been was:

COY - Kyle Taylor of Covenant - picked 10th in preseason poll and finished 2nd
POY - Adrian Moore of NCWC - this kid is a Soph and was the best player on the best team
ROY - Dakota King of WPU - they got this one right.

Anybody disagree?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 26, 2016, 09:18:22 PM
Dixie Fan,

I don't necessarily disagree with you on your picks but the real travesty was that both Mark Wagner and Justyn Olson were left off the first team all-conference.  I think they are both in the top 10 in 9 categories. 

I am watching LaGrange put a beat down on NC Wesleyan on the 2nd half.  If LaGrange plays like this tomorrow there is no stopping this team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2016, 11:07:00 PM
They got it right on POY.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dixie Fan on February 27, 2016, 08:58:43 PM
I agree that both Mark Wagner and Justyn Olson should be considered for first team.  My guess is that they took votes from each other and that is how they both ended up on 2nd team.  With that said, who would you take off the first team?

In regards to them getting it "right" on POY.....

Adrian Moore helped his team win 10 straight games into the conference tournament while winning the League.
Spencer Shoffner's team went 2-8 down the stretch and did not qualify.

In conference games the two finished with the following:

Moore - 4th in PPG, 3rd in PP 40 min, 1st in FG's, 5th in FG%, 10th in FT's, 9th FT%, 2nd in Off Rebounds, 10th in Assists, 3rd in Steals
Shoffner - 1st in PPG, 4th in PP 40 min, 2nd in FG's, 28th in FG%, 9th in 3pt FG, 3rd in FT's, 22nd in FT%, 22nd in Assists, 7th in Steals

All I am saying is that based on the information above, I think the coaches got it wrong.  Either which way, they both had great seasons.

All that being said, congrats to Covenant!  Picked 10th and finished 2nd. Proceeded to handle both WPU and Greensboro on their way to the Championship game.  I saw they were up as many as 18 in the 2nd half with just under 7 min left in the game before an unreal LaGrange rally.  Most teams would have fizzled in the OT but Covenant pulled away for a 9 point win.  Congrats to TJ Cox on MVP of the tourney.  Good luck to them in the big dance. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 28, 2016, 04:43:46 PM
I would have taken T.J. Cox off the first team and replaced him with either Mark or Justyn.  I try not to speak ill of a D-3 athlete so, I won't say anymore. 

Congrats to LaGrange for a great comeback yesterday and a great season. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2016, 07:31:14 PM
Adrian Moore had a great year.  So did Shofner. I saw Shofner a lot and did not see Moore.  Since it is not MVP, I did not think too hard about how Maryville finished.  I would want them both on my team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 29, 2016, 02:02:48 PM
Congrats to Coach Wallace, Coach McGreal, and the LaGrange College Panthers.  Now for a rematch with BSC...a great team that LC barely beat at home during the regular season.  Good thing for LaGrange, we have beaten every team in our pod this season.  3rd season in a row making it the NCAA D3 Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 29, 2016, 03:21:53 PM
I concur with congratulations to LaGrange coaches and players.  Good for the league to be awarded an at large bid.  The Maryville coaching tree rocks!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 29, 2016, 09:54:02 PM
Yes. 3 straight trips to the Dance for the dynamic duo that is Wallace/Greal. I think their good luck charm had to be beautiful baby greal. An at large bid for the freakin USA South and they legit deserve it. If they win this pod, which they can. I will 100% be at their games next weekend.  I don't want to say any of those games in their pod will be tough b/c all NCAA tourney games are tough. It's win or go home.

You think this senior class at LC is historic??  I know last years was.  It's the USA South/Nick Mitchell Men's basketball tourney.  I hope it's the NCAA/Mark Wagner Men's D3 basketball tournament here in 3 weeks.

3 straight trips!!!!!  Is Randy's record in sight?????????  Wallace is the maker of men and the disciple of defense!  He's made all 5'9" 138 lbs of Mark Wagner a Grown Man.  We have detailed that Mike White has been a grown man since the mid 70s. 

Good Luck Panthers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 01, 2016, 06:38:42 AM
Mattgrubb,

The scary part is next year's team can be better than this year's team.  I love Braxton, Mike, and Mark.  All three are great guys who play hard.  I can't help but think next year our starting lineup is taller and more athletic.  Coach Wallace, to his credit, believes in playing time for those who work hard in practice and stay with the program.  There are some players that have to wait their time and next year could have a break-out season.

The BSC matchup is the matchup that worries me the most.  Their bigs, especially Avery, could dominate the game.  We need to ensure we keep up the pressure and not settle into a half-court game.  If so,  it could be BSC's game.

Go Panthers!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 01, 2016, 07:56:12 AM
Congrats to Covenant and LaGrange for getting bids. Did I see where they were in the same pod ? Thats too bad. Congrats to the USA South for that second bid. Hope one of them makes a run.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: bballlover on March 01, 2016, 07:56:12 AM
Congrats to Covenant and LaGrange for getting bids. Did I see where they were in the same pod ? Thats too bad. Congrats to the USA South for that second bid. Hope one of them makes a run.

Couldn't avoid it... geographics are too challenging to avoid it. I have nicknamed it the "LaGrange Played Everyone" pod. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2016, 03:16:42 PM
I cannot resist pointing out that LaGrange played Maryville twice and won neither one....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 01, 2016, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: bballlover on March 01, 2016, 07:56:12 AM
Congrats to Covenant and LaGrange for getting bids. Did I see where they were in the same pod ? Thats too bad. Congrats to the USA South for that second bid. Hope one of them makes a run.

Couldn't avoid it... geographics are too challenging to avoid it. I have nicknamed it the "LaGrange Played Everyone" pod. LOL

Dave,
I saw on another post you gave this bracket an A-...is that because LaGrange ruined your perfect bracket and got a bid? 

Scottie,

This is a season of what could have been for Maryville.  With Byrd out for the season and talent galore, Maryville had problems putting together any consistency.  I think you should also remind everyone that Maryville beat Emory earlier in the season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2016, 11:33:07 PM
I think Maryville will be right there next year if the young'uns return and Randy can find a couple of Big People Who Can Play. It is nice for the conference to be getting better.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 02, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
Dave, Just curious. If LaGrange had not gotten in, who would have filled that spot in the pod ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2016, 03:09:01 PM
Lynchburg and Mount St. Joseph are each within 500 miles of Emory as well.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 05, 2016, 10:49:44 AM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 01, 2016, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2016, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: bballlover on March 01, 2016, 07:56:12 AM
Congrats to Covenant and LaGrange for getting bids. Did I see where they were in the same pod ? Thats too bad. Congrats to the USA South for that second bid. Hope one of them makes a run.

Couldn't avoid it... geographics are too challenging to avoid it. I have nicknamed it the "LaGrange Played Everyone" pod. LOL

Dave,
I saw on another post you gave this bracket an A-...is that because LaGrange ruined your perfect bracket and got a bid? 

Scottie,

This is a season of what could have been for Maryville.  With Byrd out for the season and talent galore, Maryville had problems putting together any consistency.  I think you should also remind everyone that Maryville beat Emory earlier in the season.

No... bracket had nothing to do with missing on one of the teams. By the time it got to that point in the at-large... it's splitting hairs. It is amazing Pat and I have missed only one in the last two seasons to be honest.

I gave it an A- because there a couple things like Alma v Denison and JCU v St. Vincent that I think slipped through. JCU v Denison and Alma v St. Vincent seemed like the more obvious choice considering how the final regional rankings worked out. La Grange being in the tournament didn't change how I felt about the bracket... but they certainly changed the bracketing around as Pat noted.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 07, 2016, 03:17:27 PM
Dave,

I was just giving you a hard time...I know LaGrange had nothing to do with you grade selection.  I listen to your broadcast and even contributed this year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 07, 2016, 03:20:49 PM
Well, folks, you win some, and you lose some.  LaGrange couldn't pull it out against a calm collected BSC team.  Congrats to LC for a great season.  Next year can and will be better than this season. 

Does anyone know why BSC got a tech at the end of overtime against Emory?  Emory clearly got some home cooking in that game.  I am not sure if anyone else watched that game but I felt, as with the LaGrange game, the officials made it more about themselves than the players. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 15, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
For future reference, we interviewed Conference Commissioner Rita Wiggs about the conference's expansion.

www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/05/usa-south-expansion-Q-A
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 16, 2016, 09:56:27 AM
Nice job with the interview.  I am not excited. What is the point of having divisions so large for basketball that teams fill their schedule in division and play no team in the other before tournament?  Why is this a good idea?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jeffconn on May 17, 2016, 12:17:50 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on May 16, 2016, 09:56:27 AM
I am not excited. What is the point of having divisions so large for basketball that teams fill their schedule in division and play no team in the other before tournament?  Why is this a good idea?
Well, it will cut down on travel time and costs during the regular season. The USAC has a pretty big footprint for an eastern D3 conference, since it stretches from Virginia to Georgia and out west to Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama.

For what it's worth, with the expansion, the USAC should be able to sponsor more championships. After i did a quick look, i believe they have enough schools to sponsor men's lacrosse, women's golf, and possibly men's and women's outdoor track and field in 2017-18.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 18, 2016, 11:40:02 AM
Maybe you are right that expansion will help increase the diversity of sports and championships.  It just seems odd in basketball, for example, that a home and home schedule in your division would take up so much of a schedule that you would have trouble playing out of region and conference
and leave you playing strangers at tournament time.  Is there any D1 conference so big?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on June 02, 2016, 02:53:25 PM
Huntingdon hires Guilford Associate Head Coach Caleb Kimbrough as Associate Head Coach and to replace Mike Pugh as Head Coach when he retires at the end of the 2017 season. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with the program.

http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160602hd9xb2
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 03, 2016, 07:03:32 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 02, 2016, 02:53:25 PM
Huntingdon hires Guilford Associate Head Coach Caleb Kimbrough as Associate Head Coach and to replace Mike Pugh as Head Coach when he retires at the end of the 2017 season. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with the program.

http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160602hd9xb2
I posted on the ODAC thread, but Caleb will do a tremendous job for the Hawks ... he will be greatly missed at Guilford! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 20, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Coach Kyle Taylor has left Covenant for a job at Utah State. Good Luck Coach.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on July 26, 2016, 10:44:47 AM
Taylor replaced by Arte Culver. Former assistant @ Wheaton College.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 01, 2016, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: bballlover on July 26, 2016, 10:44:47 AM
Taylor replaced by Arte Culver. Former assistant @ Wheaton College.
I can look it up, but which Wheaton ... Illinois or Massachusetts?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on August 02, 2016, 07:55:31 AM
Sorry, My Bad. Illinois.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 18, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
MC Scots edged Centre.  Pretty typical MC-Centre game...early season ball pretty well played for teams figuring out who is who.  Both teams loaded with freshmen and sophomores.  Scots are undersized and relied a lot on 3's.  Worked out but it is not a great plan.  Unclear who are scorers but there are several contenders!  Garcia, Songster, Boyer.... maybe Spicer.  Nice work by Chris Watson in the post...he played very little last year.  Anybody else there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 28, 2016, 01:21:07 PM
Coach Wallace has LaGrange off to a nice start.  It will be interesting to see what happens when the Panthers travel to Maryville for thier first conference battle.  The surprise team, for me, so far is Covenent. Could this be the year that LaGrange wins the conference and tournament championships in the same year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 03, 2016, 11:53:32 PM
Well the young MC Scots had LaGrange on or near the ropes all afternoon.  Lots of Scots scored. LaGrange is supposed to be the team to beat.  The Panther press bothered the Scots in the second half but as long as the Scots can shoot that well, they are fun to watch.  Live by the 3 and die by it.  They best not get too in love with it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 11, 2016, 12:53:14 PM
The combination of Michael Corleone and Vito Corleone, Michael (Placeres) has to translate b/c these millennial definitely don't understand 75% of the things Vito (Lambert) says, are 7-1 at the break.  It takes any normal person at least 18 months to learn to speak Murvul.  Things haven't been this good since, well I guess Placeres was a player.  It was a nice win for Vito to beat his student who has surpassed him b/c the Scots will never get an at a large bid out of the USA South.  Murvul actually came out and stunned Lagrange and the panthers couldn't recover athoughl the maker of men and disciple of defense woke them up at half time.  Good win for the scots.

The Corleone twins had a great game plan against BSC yesterday and a nice win.  The scots have 6 legitimate perimeter players.  If they had one more strong low post player their practices would be a straight D3 game but Colt Nokes is a man beast.  Ive offered him $20 to slap the taste out of Jack Roberts' mouth.

It wasn't the same Lagrange/Murvul match up b/c the best looking of the 4 coaches McGreal has moved to Penn State Altoona as the head coach and is doing the usual big things that Murvul guys do.  The maker of men/disciple of defense look some what lonely on the bench without his soul mate.

Congrats to Randall "Vito Corleone" Lambert on career win #666   While he has won most of those games due to his incredible good looks as he can lure any recruit with his pure aesthetics, he has actually coached in some of those wins. 

Michael and Vito Corleone prove one great principle in life, Hair and brains don't mix.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 11, 2016, 07:53:18 PM
Congrats to Maryville for a conference win at home, but don't get too carried away.  Coach Wallace will have the team ready for when the Scots make the trip to Lagange.  I watch some of the Covenant action last night and I have come away with the USAC just doesn't play defense.  Until then, we will be only a one-bid conference league.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 11, 2016, 11:33:16 PM
The young Scots played real defense for a while against BSouthern.  Maybe they can do it for most of a game if they get the idea that you cannot hit the 3 every time you try but you can win anyway if the other team does not score.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2016, 09:11:21 AM
Future conference member Berea gets featured by ESPN's twitter feed for a game-winning half-court buzzer beater (against the SAA's Birmingham-Southern):

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18266084&ex_cid=espntw&sf46378037=1
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2016, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2016, 09:11:21 AM
Future conference member Berea gets featured by ESPN's twitter feed for a game-winning half-court buzzer beater (against the SAA's Birmingham-Southern):

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18266084&ex_cid=espntw&sf46378037=1
Wow!

Mileages in the USA South are gonna look like the ASC!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 14, 2016, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2016, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2016, 09:11:21 AM
Future conference member Berea gets featured by ESPN's twitter feed for a game-winning half-court buzzer beater (against the SAA's Birmingham-Southern):

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18266084&ex_cid=espntw&sf46378037=1
Wow!

Mileages in the USA South are gonna look like the ASC!

Not until they add UMPI as a member! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on December 16, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
As a graduate of Berea College and LaGrange College, I cannot wait for the two teams to meet on the court. 

Lagrange is heading way down south to take on Susquehanna (D3Hoops.com #18) and then Hartwick.  It will be nice for the Panthers to come home with two wins and give the USAC some national exposure. Lagrange looks to be the quicker and more athletic team.  The question is can Lagrange score in half-court sets and cut down on turnovers.  If so, Lagrange can pull off the upset.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 16, 2016, 12:47:37 PM
It will be a real test for Piedmont this weekend as they start the conference schedule @ WPU and then @ Ferrum.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on December 18, 2016, 12:18:16 PM
Final Guilford 90, NC Wesleyan 62, Dec. 17 in Greensboro

Led by Carson Long (19) and Alston Thompson (16), the Quakers (7-2) never trailed against the Bishops (7-4).  It was 15-13 GC after a made three-pointer by NCWC, but then Guilford went on a 16-0 run to effectively set the tone for the rest of the game.  It was 46-28 at the half and GC had a 39-point 2nd half lead before the reserves finished it out.  Guilford's next games are Dec. 29-30 versus the Albion (MI) Britons and the Bridgewater (MA) State Bears, respectively.  Greensboro plays BSU on the 29th and then Albion on the 30th in Guilford's Ragan-Brown Fieldhouse. NCWC played at High Point on Friday night, so they could've had tired legs ... I think they are better than this loss would show at first glance.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on January 02, 2017, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 02, 2016, 02:53:25 PM
Huntingdon hires Guilford Associate Head Coach Caleb Kimbrough as Associate Head Coach and to replace Mike Pugh as Head Coach when he retires at the end of the 2017 season. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with the program.

http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160602hd9xb2
After an 0-10 start Mike Pugh has announced his immediate retirement and Caleb Kimbrough will go ahead and take over as head coach at Huntingdon.
http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20161230jaijwh
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 03, 2017, 12:14:09 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 02, 2017, 11:59:40 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on June 02, 2016, 02:53:25 PM
Huntingdon hires Guilford Associate Head Coach Caleb Kimbrough as Associate Head Coach and to replace Mike Pugh as Head Coach when he retires at the end of the 2017 season. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with the program.

http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20160602hd9xb2
After an 0-10 start Mike Pugh has announced his immediate retirement and Caleb Kimbrough will go ahead and take over as head coach at Huntingdon.
http://www.huntingdonhawks.com/sports/mbkb/2016-17/releases/20161230jaijwh
Noticed in the news release that Caleb will be assisted by former Guilford teammate and 2007 national POY Ben Strong.  These guys played together in middle school and high school in Chapel Hill and then at Guilford from 2004-2008.  I wish them much success with the Hawks.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 12, 2017, 10:15:14 AM
Congratulations to Huntingdon and Coach Kimbrough on the Hawks win over intrastate rival BSC.  Nice.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 15, 2017, 03:09:41 PM
The saying in the NFL is: "on any given Sunday." The idea being that anyone can win a game no matter the match up because, well, things happen. The same could be true in Division III basketball. On any given night, someone will pull off an upset. And in some weeks we see multiple upsets.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 24, 2017, 10:57:06 AM
Piedmont hits 55% from the field for the game.  Maryville 43%.  Piedmont wins. Hard for the Scots to win on the road, or anywhere, if the opponent shoots that well.   USA South seems pretty balanced.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 24, 2017, 03:22:46 PM
It was a good win for the Lions. I look for the Scots to win out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2017, 12:00:40 PM
Even the rematch?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 26, 2017, 02:51:19 PM
I think so. Unless they want to come back to The Cave.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 27, 2017, 10:09:50 AM
I think we have had enough of the Cave for this year...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 27, 2017, 11:23:57 PM
Scots also now have had enough of William Peace, barely escaping at home.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2017, 12:46:38 PM
Pretty tight league.  Is the league pretty good or just competitive?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 02, 2017, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 02, 2017, 12:46:38 PM
Pretty tight league.  Is the league pretty good or just competitive?
Just competitive in my opinion.  I don't believe they would advance far on the national stage.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 04, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
It's on today.   Lambert is tallying career wins and Wallace is just waiting on the 2017 USASouth/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament for another NCAA Tournamnet bid.   

Big things at 2 today
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 05, 2017, 02:03:22 PM
Hey Grubby!

Did you see the game?  Can you still make free throws?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 09, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
It is there for the taking, MC Scots. Nice win against Piedmont.  The youngsters are playing more like almost-juniors than earlier.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 11, 2017, 11:09:30 PM
Well howdy!  MC Scots need to win two.  Thanks to Piedmont, LaGrange, and Covenant for taking care of the interlopers from the other part of the conference,
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 19, 2017, 10:57:54 PM
Looks like the AC is up for grabs.  Predictions?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
Words to Describe Lagrange College Head Men's Basketball Coach:  Sand bagger, Master of the Art of War, Maker of Men Disciple of Defense, and hater.

If LC wins the USA South/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament and gets a 4th straight NCAA tournament bid then I will officially change his title to:
Maker of Gender Gifted, Disciple of Defense
That is a much better term from the 31 genders that NYC recognizes than the term MEN.  He creates more than men.
If they don't get a bid, I will emphasize that McGreal left and now McGreal's "scoreboards" are huge and much bigger than Wallace's.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 25, 2017, 05:19:32 PM
Maker of the gender gifted, disciple of defense, undertander of tournament aka championship basketball- The Kendal Wallace. So for all of y'all that it was all McGreal the past couple of years, you were right, but he can do it on his own too!  Even without Nick Mitchell!
2017 USASouth/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournamnet champions:  Kendal Wallace and the Lagrange Panthers.

4 straight trips to the dance.  If they don't win at least one game in the tourney I am going to beat Wallace. His seniors are going into their 4th tourney.  Best of luck panthers players. Win some games to keep your coach from getting tied up, slapped, and dominated. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2017, 10:45:22 PM
Mr. Grubby was, as is often the case, right on target. Panthers came a long way from the first encounter with the MC Scots this season.  I hope they win a few!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 26, 2017, 08:06:35 PM
Great job Coach Wallace and the LaGrange College Panthers!

My question is when the USA South is going to give LC and Coach Wallace some credit.  No players on the All-Conference team and Coach Wallace has won 3 of the last 4 Tournaments but has never been voted COY.  It is a travesty.

Only two players from this year's senior class have been at LC all four years and while great guys they are not the backbone of this team. 

Knowing the NCAA Division III selection team will give Emory an at-large bid and LC will have to play Emory at Emory the first game even though LC beat them head-to-head this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 26, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
They will just have to do it again....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 27, 2017, 12:12:26 AM
Ben Stein
This is D3. No one cares about individual awards!!!!  Well actually you are 100% correct and theory and practice are light years apart. There's no way Olsen wasn't an all conference player. He grew and morphed into Mark Wagner.  A sign of good coaching.  Same skills built on fundamental. I know exactly where Wallace learned how to manufacture skilled players. See Randall Dean Lambert.

Here is the one overriding fact: if you don't play for the national title, why did you play??????
It's like the Brady v Manning argument:  are stats or championships more important. Easy. We play to win. Not score a bunch and lose. Now If you are going to compare wallace to his mentor, wallace is in the right track.  9 more in a row and he can tie Randy's D3 record of 13 straight tourney appearances.  Randy did not have an AQ. The AQ has confused D3s 3rd all time winningest coach and #1 all time best looking.   But the protege learned very well. Now Wallace needs a second or third weekend in the big dance!!!!!!!!!

Get it Panthers.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on February 27, 2017, 09:44:37 AM
Can anyone explain to me this lovefest D3Hoops.com and the NCAA selection committee have with Emory?  This post is not a slam against Emory as an institution or the coaching staff and players.  Emory can only control its schedule and results.  Emory has no control over the selection process.  So please do not take this as somehow Emory is to blame for this lovefest. 

How can Emory have a so-so out of conference record (L's against LaGrange and Covenant), a modest conference record but still get an at-large bid?  Proponents will argue that their conference is so much harder than why does Emory have a losing record against the USA South?  There is nothing compelling about their season that would justify an at-large bid or even host.  Home court advantage matters so much in basketball that it is simply unfair that Emory would get to host almost year in and year out that it is almost a bye into the second weekend. 

I am not proposing that another team from the USA South should get an at-large bid, but Maryville with 20 wins should be in the conversation.  Detractors of Maryville will argue their SOS is much weaker.  But I think this goes back to Emory playing in a different conference than Maryville.  However, head-to-head competition although a small sample size shows that USA South teams do compete with Emory.   

If someone wants to argue that Emory gets the nod over Maryville because of the earlier match this season in which Emory won then fine. But, don't don't tell me that SOS is so important when automatically one conference has a higher SOS based only on reputation and would appear nothing else.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 27, 2017, 08:18:20 PM

It's the numbers.  I don't think Emory is as good as their numbers, but that SOS is a real thing.

To me, the one real issue with the criteria is that it basically overlooks losses to non regionally ranked opponents.  You could drop three bad games to terrible teams, but if you win 85% of your other games, you have a shot.  Emory started the year rough.  Even so, if they hadn't beat Rochester in that last game, they wouldn't be in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on February 27, 2017, 09:44:37 AM

If someone wants to argue that Emory gets the nod over Maryville because of the earlier match this season in which Emory won then fine. But, don't don't tell me that SOS is so important when automatically one conference has a higher SOS based only on reputation and would appear nothing else.

That head-to-head was certainly a factor... but there is no math in the SOS equation that adds in "reputation."
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 01, 2017, 09:42:33 AM
David,

Then how can one conference have a higher SOS than another conference when there is little to no head-to-head matchups?

Unequal scheduling in D3 Basketball leads to uneven SOS.  Because of time, travel, and D3 limitations this will never be resolved to create equality across the D3 landscape.  It just seems to me there is nothing in Emory's record this season to dictate that they are the 3rd best team in the South region.  Emory's SOS is based on the fact they play in a national conference and not a regional conference.  Explain to me the math that shows that they are the 3rd best team in the South when they hardly play any South Region teams after December, and they only played one team in the region top 10.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 01, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 01, 2017, 09:42:33 AM
David,

Then how can one conference have a higher SOS than another conference when there is little to no head-to-head matchups?

Unequal scheduling in D3 Basketball leads to uneven SOS.  Because of time, travel, and D3 limitations this will never be resolved to create equality across the D3 landscape.  It just seems to me there is nothing in Emory's record this season to dictate that they are the 3rd best team in the South region.  Emory's SOS is based on the fact they play in a national conference and not a regional conference.  Explain to me the math that shows that they are the 3rd best team in the South when they hardly play any South Region teams after December, and they only played one team in the region top 10.

While I understand the theory... I don't think Rochester last year would agree. Left out of the tournament despite a high SOS (north of .570).

There is more to the SOS... and while a national conference is helpful, they still did enough in said conference including beating Rochester to earn a bid. If a conference is good, it will get more bids. There are reasons for that. It was also a year where parity made numbers very interesting and allowed certain numbers to stand out or teams who didn't seem significant to rise to the top. Looking at the numbers, I have no problems with Emory in the tournament. And there are teams in non-national conferences and in less than ideal areas who have been able to figure how to stand out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 01, 2017, 04:22:46 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 01, 2017, 09:42:33 AM
David,

Then how can one conference have a higher SOS than another conference when there is little to no head-to-head matchups?

Unequal scheduling in D3 Basketball leads to uneven SOS.  Because of time, travel, and D3 limitations this will never be resolved to create equality across the D3 landscape.  It just seems to me there is nothing in Emory's record this season to dictate that they are the 3rd best team in the South region.  Emory's SOS is based on the fact they play in a national conference and not a regional conference.  Explain to me the math that shows that they are the 3rd best team in the South when they hardly play any South Region teams after December, and they only played one team in the region top 10.


http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/pdf/staticpdfrank

There's the data sheet.  You can compare teams and numbers.  All games count as regional games, so long as 70% of a team's games are against regional opponents.  All conference games for every team are considered in-region - that's been true as long as I've been following d3 basketball.

There are only four teams in the South with a better winning percentage than Emory - Guilford, HSU, Maryville, and LeTourneau. Emory's .547 SOS number is pretty darn good - the other, in order: .514, .565, .486, .505.

Based on those numbers, one might argue Emory is the second best team in the region, so third really isn't a stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2017, 11:28:57 AM
Ryan,

The link doesn't work.

Let me ask you a question, so I am clear on how the NCAA allocates Emory's wins.

Because Emory is physically located in the South but plays in a conference in which it is the only South Region team, all of its wins counts as in-region for the South Region?

That seems highly unfair because Emory's out of conference records wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular.  But, because it plays in a conference which plays other teams from a more predominant D3 region in the nation, Emory gets a higher SOS than other South Region teams who do not get to play a more national schedule.

Why doesn't the NCAA move Emory into a region that is more reflective of its schedule than physical location?

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2017, 11:48:22 AM
All Division III opponents are in-region for everyone, with almost no exceptions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2017, 11:28:57 AM
Ryan,

The link doesn't work.

Let me ask you a question, so I am clear on how the NCAA allocates Emory's wins.

Because Emory is physically located in the South but plays in a conference in which it is the only South Region team, all of its wins counts as in-region for the South Region?

That seems highly unfair because Emory's out of conference records wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular.  But, because it plays in a conference which plays other teams from a more predominant D3 region in the nation, Emory gets a higher SOS than other South Region teams who do not get to play a more national schedule.

Why doesn't the NCAA move Emory into a region that is more reflective of its schedule than physical location?

Two things help a team improve their SOS: their league's out of conference record.  Every conference with a double round robin will essentially have a .500 SOS for games in their conference.  The difference comes in how teams do outside the conference - those leagues where two or three teams end the year with 2 or 3 or 4 wins, will never get a decent SOS.  Improving the bottom of the league will help the top teams improve.  At the very least, if those bottom teams are going to lose anyway, better for them to lose to really good teams than bad ones.

The second - play teams from good conferences.  Putting Emory on your schedule will let you tap into that high SOS in the UAA.  Even better for leagues where there are very few non-league games.  Yes, being in the South limits your ability to do this - and the ODAC being down the last few years hurts tremendously.  You still have to be smart about how you schedule.  In New England, Albertus Magnus likes to say they can't get good non-conference games because everyone's afraid of them, but really teams are afraid of their terrible conference SOS.  You only want to play teams who will help your number - if you think you have a chance at the at-large.  Endicott, this year, is the prime example.  They play in a weak conference and thus had to schedule an incredibly difficult non-conference schedule just to get to .520 in the SOS.  They happened to beat Middlebury and won 23 other games and as a result they got the first ever Pool C bid from their league.

Stronger leagues have a better chance to get at-large bids, but shouldn't that be the way of things?  If you want to stand out individually in a mid-level or lower conference, you have to do the work in the non-conference.  It can't just be "whoever's close" or "whoever's available."

Of course, almost everyone has access to the tournament through their own conference tournament, so it's not like you can't get in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: Ben Stein Fan on March 02, 2017, 11:28:57 AM
Ryan,

The link doesn't work.

Let me ask you a question, so I am clear on how the NCAA allocates Emory's wins.

Because Emory is physically located in the South but plays in a conference in which it is the only South Region team, all of its wins counts as in-region for the South Region?

That seems highly unfair because Emory's out of conference records wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular.  But, because it plays in a conference which plays other teams from a more predominant D3 region in the nation, Emory gets a higher SOS than other South Region teams who do not get to play a more national schedule.

Why doesn't the NCAA move Emory into a region that is more reflective of its schedule than physical location?

Emory is in the South... they should be in the South Region. The UAA is the only conference to be split into different regions, but to be fair it wouldn't be fair for them to be grouped into regions where they aren't even playing teams around them. Emory at least plays teams around them so being in the South region works especially when comparing them to others. If Emory was only traveling and not playing teams around them, it would be a different argument.

Furthermore, the UAA wins their games out of conference... that helps Emory's SOS more than anything... as Ryan alludes to.

There are some UAA teams buried in their regions with similiar resumes and it happens every year... it just so happens the South was more exposed and not as top heavy as in the past this year and Emory rose to second.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 02:28:43 PM
The UAA is the only conference to be split into different regions,

Well, until July 1st.  I imagine the ACAA will be split.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 02:28:43 PM
The UAA is the only conference to be split into different regions,

Well, until July 1st.  I imagine the ACAA will be split.

Eh... might be parked in the East. We shall see... it will be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2017, 06:46:02 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 02:28:43 PM
The UAA is the only conference to be split into different regions,

Well, until July 1st.  I imagine the ACAA will be split.

Eh... might be parked in the East. We shall see... it will be interesting.

That's what I heard, but they're not going to Mills, UCSC, and Finlandia there, right?  I could see Pine Manor and Valley Forge, even UMPI and Finlandia, I guess, moving, but those CA schools seem like a stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 04, 2017, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 03, 2017, 06:46:02 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 02, 2017, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 02, 2017, 02:28:43 PM
The UAA is the only conference to be split into different regions,

Well, until July 1st.  I imagine the ACAA will be split.

Eh... might be parked in the East. We shall see... it will be interesting.

That's what I heard, but they're not going to Mills, UCSC, and Finlandia there, right?  I could see Pine Manor and Valley Forge, even UMPI and Finlandia, I guess, moving, but those CA schools seem like a stretch.

It has happened in the past, interestingly. I don't think they love the idea of a UAA-styled system... but it is unique, so we shall see. When the season ends, I will try and get a sense of the plan.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 27, 2017, 02:02:28 PM
Goodbye Ferrum: http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2017/06/odac-expands-to-add-ferrum
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on July 06, 2017, 03:12:47 PM
Congratulatons to former Guilford '10 All-American and National DIII POY Tyler Sanborn on being named HC at Ferrum.  After several years of professional basketball, Tyler has served as an Assistant at Hampden-Sydney.  Kudos!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 17, 2017, 11:23:05 AM
Ok hoops fans!
Here is the Maryville Times on the 2017 Scots:

http://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/experienced-mc-men-hoops-focused-on-process/article_7225221b-1ecc-5a95-8c41-9ce3f5b4911f.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on October 21, 2017, 07:15:20 PM
I expect a great year from Lagrange College and Coach Wallace...when will he get the respect of his colleagues in the USA South?

http://lagrangepanthers.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20171019lj3jtv (http://lagrangepanthers.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20171019lj3jtv)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 22, 2017, 02:51:19 PM
Wallace most certainly has the respect of the Maryville coaches,....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on October 24, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on October 22, 2017, 02:51:19 PM
Wallace most certainly has the respect of the Maryville coaches,....

Coach Wallace hopefully will get the recognition he so rightfully has earned.

I expect a great year out of Lagrange College and they are playing one heck of a schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 05, 2017, 05:53:49 PM
So how come in the d3hoops "standings" link, there is no USAC listed?

http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2017-18/index
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 06, 2017, 10:06:42 AM
Thanks for catching that.

The USA South now has divisions for men, like the NEAC and ASC, so I had to change the html coding to reflect that.

It should be fixed now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 06, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
Sort of fixed...what is the USAC?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 06, 2017, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 06, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
Sort of fixed...what is the USAC?

Abbreviation we use for USA South Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 06, 2017, 02:24:34 PM
Yep. Full name of conference is the USA South Athletic Conference. USAC is much easier to write.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2017, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 06, 2017, 02:24:34 PM
Yep. Full name of conference is the USA South Athletic Conference. USAC is much easier to write.

Seems logical.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 07, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
I do not really care much about this, but now I am curious.  Does USAC stand for USA Conference?  I know lots of folks would rather expunge the South from the national consciousness, but still....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 07, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 07, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
I do not really care much about this, but now I am curious.  Does USAC stand for USA Conference?  I know lots of folks would rather expunge the South from the national consciousness, but still....

Um scottie... did you see Gordon's answer a couple of spots above your post?

Quote from: gordonmann on November 06, 2017, 02:24:34 PM
Yep. Full name of conference is the USA South Athletic Conference. USAC is much easier to write.

And for the record, it has been that way on our websites ... for a very long time. Has nothing to do with the national conversation about the south, the history, etc. Let's not try and drag us into that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2017, 04:31:12 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 07, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
I do not really care much about this, but now I am curious.  Does USAC stand for USA Conference?  I know lots of folks would rather expunge the South from the national consciousness, but still....

I bolded the appropriate letters in my previous post. Those are the letters I used when I decided on the short version when the conference was founded. Here below in a different format, if that helps:

USA
South
Athletic
Conference
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 08, 2017, 10:38:55 AM
Geez..I was not trying to start a fuss, and the expunging the South was a joke.  I do think that if someone were to look for the USASouth, he/she might not immediately think that USAC  was short for USASouth Athletic Conference.  But really never mind.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:50:42 PM
The third podcast in the Hoopsville Preseason Podcasts series dropped today. We talk to Tyler Sanborn who has taken over at Ferrum after a number of years at Hampden-Sydney as head coach and a multiple All-American campaign at Guilford.

Sanborn is the third interview in the show which you can find here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/preseason-podcasts

You can also listen to the other podcasts in the series.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 09, 2017, 06:33:16 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 02:50:42 PM
The third podcast in the Hoopsville Preseason Podcasts series dropped today. We talk to Tyler Sanborn who has taken over at Ferrum after a number of years at Hampden-Sydney as head coach and a multiple All-American campaign at Guilford.

Sanborn is the third interview in the show which you can find here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2017-18/preseason-podcasts

You can also listen to the other podcasts in the series.

Enjoy!
Thanks, Dave.  I enjoyed listening to your Podcast.  All Guilford fans wish Tyler Sanborn much success at Ferrum.  BTW, Brevard is pronounced with an emphasis on the second syllable with "vard" rhyming with "hard."  Thanks again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 06:46:23 PM
Thanks hasanova... it was fun to chat with Tyler and appreciate you listening.

If you had been in my studio, you would have seen a very perplexed look on my face have saying Brevard. In my head, "um... nope... Dave... you whiffed on that one by a mile... should I fix that? No... save it for post-edit... sheesh."

Want to bet what I forgot to do in post? LOL

Thanks for the heads up all the same... one of those I am going to need to polish up on clearly.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 09, 2017, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 06:46:23 PM
Thanks hasanova... it was fun to chat with Tyler and appreciate you listening.

If you had been in my studio, you would have seen a very perplexed look on my face have saying Brevard. In my head, "um... nope... Dave... you whiffed on that one by a mile... should I fix that? No... save it for post-edit... sheesh."

Want to bet what I forgot to do in post? LOL

Thanks for the heads up all the same... one of those I am going to need to polish up on clearly.
You're welcome, Dave.  I have an advantage having living most of my life in NC and because my nephew played hoops there.  I'm sure there are a number of schools I would whiff until I heard someone say it ... Ursinus comes to mind when Coach Rusiewicz became Head Coach for Quaker football.  Oh, and Rusiewicz ...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 08:43:11 PM
I don't want to know how you said Ursinus.

Buena Vista was a famous one for me... that's because there are only like three... four... maybe a half a dozen ways to say it. I now have it, but saly for other places where I am now saying theirs incorrectly to start. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 10, 2017, 01:46:06 PM
Lagrange showed some maturity taking on Division II Columbus State University on CSU's home court.  They lost 84-67 but by looking at the box score it looks promising for the Panthers.

http://www.usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2017-18/boxscores/20171108_gmwk.xml?view=boxscore (http://www.usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/2017-18/boxscores/20171108_gmwk.xml?view=boxscore)

Travis Thompson should lead the USA South in rebounding this season. 

Freshman Julian Cameron looks to break Coach Wallace's tendency not to play freshmen. 

I am ready for basketball season and also ready for D3 Hoops not to give the USAC any credit.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2017, 05:17:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 08:43:11 PM
I don't want to know how you said Ursinus.

I've heard "URR-sinn-iss" and "yur-IZ-niss" -- the latter from the St. John's PA announcer at a football playoff game in 1999, when I was visiting from the east coast. Started the Pronunciation 101 bit that day, perhaps? :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2017, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on November 06, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
Sort of fixed...what is the USAC?

United States Auto Club  ...  Varrrooooommmmmm!!!

Scottie, is the USA South alignment essentially East/West?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 11, 2017, 06:31:57 PM
Pretty much.  I am not yet a fan of this too big conference.  You could play someone in the tournament that you have not seen all year...maybe that is ok, but it just seems wrong. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 12, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 10, 2017, 05:17:06 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 08:43:11 PM
I don't want to know how you said Ursinus.

I've heard "URR-sinn-iss" and "yur-IZ-niss" -- the latter from the St. John's PA announcer at a football playoff game in 1999, when I was visiting from the east coast. Started the Pronunciation 101 bit that day, perhaps? :)
Well, Pat, it wasn't like the astronomy joke "I can see 'Ursinus' clearly now", but I did avoid saying Ursinus myself until I heard someone affiliated with UC say it online.  lol  Even Guilford gets butchered from time to time ... I still cringe if I replay the student announcer previewing the Guilford at Huntingdon football opener on the USAC's preseason broadcast.  Pfeiffer may also trip up others until they realize it's the same as actor Michelle.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 12, 2017, 10:21:26 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2017, 08:43:11 PM
I don't want to know how you said Ursinus.

Buena Vista was a famous one for me... that's because there are only like three... four... maybe a half a dozen ways to say it. I now have it, but saly for other places where I am now saying theirs incorrectly to start. :)
I was mispronouncing Willamette until my sister moved to Salem.  Thankfully, they can't all be Bob Jones U.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 17, 2017, 07:07:03 PM
Scottiedoug,

Who do you have for the McGreal v. Wallace tonight in PA?

Go Panthers!  I love David McGreal but I hope Kendal beats him tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 17, 2017, 10:32:33 PM
Coach Wallace and LaGrange outlast Coach McGreal and Penn State Altoona 104-94 in OT.

Way to go Panthers!

Coach McGreal has a really good young team and will be a tough out in the AMCC.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 18, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
I bet that Wallace-McGreal dustup was fun!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ben Stein Fan on November 18, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
Watching last night's game and the current game, this is a different Lagrange College team.  They still pick up at full court but it is token pressure, and they do not shoot the three as much as they have in the past.  A lot more low post scoring and mid-range shots. 

Be interesting if Coach Wallace plays this way the entire year or just the start of the year.

LC trails Juniata College at the half 35-31.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 19, 2017, 03:38:49 PM
Congratulations to HC Caleb Kimbrough and the Huntingdon Hawks on their 2-1 start, which matches last season's win total.  I got a chance to watch the Hawks play twice in Greensboro where they soundly beat Hampden-Sydney 80-60 and were slightly outmanned by Guilford 90-63.  Things are looking up in Montgomery.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 05, 2017, 10:16:08 AM
It will take a while to grasp this new schedule. Piedmont vs Maryville before Xmas. WOW
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 05, 2017, 10:45:46 AM
Last year Maryville played LaGrange before the break.  That did not seem right either, especially I bet to LaGrange, who got trounced.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 07, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
It is the time of the season when managing practices and games around finals and soon-to-be holiday breaks can be difficult, especially as most conferences have begun in-conference games while there are still non-conference battles on tap.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chats with a number of coaches who have had significant starts to the season, but are now managing their seasons. How are the highs and lows massaged and how to keep student-athletes focused not only on their studies (and finals), but also the game.

Results at this time of the year will be a factor come the end of the season.

Dave will also discuss, and update if able, the breaking news out of St. Norbert where the women's basketball team has been suspended ten games due to a number of players' actions.

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 18, 2017, 10:24:36 AM
Maryville beats LaGrange by 30 at LaGrange?  What is up with that?  And Songster hardly scored.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 19, 2017, 01:23:16 PM
The Wallace/McGreal match up was epic.  It was better than an arm wrestling match between those two.

Apparenlty the Old Man Lambert still has a little gas in the tank and he sure lit a fire under The Maker of Men and Disciple of Defense.  LC has graduated quite a few very good players over the past 3-4 years.  Its hard to find kids like they have had every year.  A lot of those kids were special players.  I can imagine how long it took Wallace to drive home after the game.  It probably took him 6 hours to make it from the gym to his house he was so distraught, confused, and lost.  Remember whatever Wallace is doing now, he will be ready for the USASC/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament at the end of the year.  The guy pulled an at large bid out of the USASC one year and he did learn from one of the best ever!!!

The real scots are 3-0 in the conference before christmas and the fake scots are 2-0.  Both teams have 3 total losses.  The real scots have 2 conference road wins and the fake scots only have 1.  Winning the division and conference will come down to road wins.  Advantage:  REAL SCOTS!!!!!

Keep it locked down mi compadre con queso!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 20, 2017, 03:37:25 PM
Glad you are still with us, Grubby One.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 21, 2017, 11:57:55 AM
The Grubby One has never given up on his Scots. I'm not Kris Sigmund or Greg Hernandez!
Most exciting development so far this season is Malcolm in the middle. I'm currently working on a contract for Sigmund to wrestle Malcolm at a practice.  Emier's dunks so far this season have been average Emier dunks at best. I need super Emier dunks after Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 22, 2017, 10:57:34 AM
Maryville used to be good at wrestling.  Maybe this could jump start a wrestling program.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 04, 2018, 02:27:25 PM
Game real Scots. Emier game with real Emier dunks. Well 3/4 were real real. Coach P is establishing himself as the Don of the USASC.
Very disappointed by the fake Scots. I think it was just a bad game b/c they are talented and well coached. They did beat D2 Lee.

Nothing nice to say about Coach Lambert until he starts coaching in a sport coat again
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 04, 2018, 04:01:46 PM
Yeah that was fun after the real Scots showed up.  Coach L. is old enough now to be exempt from sportcoats.  There seem to be quite a lot of real Scots and they often play like they know what to do.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 08, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
Narch...are you out there?
Real Scots are on a roll and can win on the road.  Methodist comes to TN Saturday with a good season going. Might be fun!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 08, 2018, 03:09:54 PM
Uncle Randy gets a win in his 1000th game as the real scots head coach.  Seems like his 10,000th.  he has an all time winning percentage of like 68%.  Those must have been some cold dark days in the early 80's riding in station wagons to games.  Then in 86 lambert won the ODAC!!!  the birth of a legend!

Loved the video Don Placeres posted and the way the scots have been playing.   Hoppa is a predator!  Looks like those clowns are having fun not just winning but playing together.  Fan turnout has been ok but to increase fan turnout at their next home game Scots Legend Kris Sigmund will be wrestling #22 Malcolm Walker.  In a statement issued by Sigmund's Manager George Debaby, Sig said "He's to young to whoop an old man like me!"  This is going to be better than when Jackie Moon wrestled a bear in Semi Pro!  I personally hope Malcolm body slams the Scots color commentator.  Obviously the grubby one will be cheering for Malcolm and/or against Sig.  Malcolm is fun to watch.  The impact he has on games is tremendous and the stats don't reflect it.  Hes like watching an old Mike Tyson fight, the opponent just doesn't want a piece and just won't come into the lane when he is in there.  Opponents are scared of him.

All I asked for was an undefeated 2018 and so far these guys have delivered and most of those have been on the road.  Now i need a good long home stand so I can enjoy watching them play.  Emier has lifted the scores on his dunks from 7.5 to possibly 8.5 for the two handed windmill. Emier can do better.... Hoppa is creating victims all over the USA South and Songster is sick.  They have like 3 clones at PG but all 3 are getting the job done.  All of them are 6' 175lbs.  Then there is the the human rocket booster DQ....love this kid.  He literally has no fear on the court.  Phenomenal on the ball defender and tougher than JP Burris.

This team reminds the grubby one of old fashioned Lambert basketball.......a bunch of  characters having a blast playing basketball together and when I say  characters I am referring to guys like Jeff McCord, Jacob Deal, Jon Vaughn, Dee Bell, Kendal Wallace, Tom Robinson, Bobby Golden, Dave McGreal, Jason Poag, Greg Hernandez, Raul Placeres, chris Housewright, Greg Gheen, Scott Fletcher, Alex Bowers, and Tim Blakely.  Uncle Randy has touched a lot of lives through 1000 games.  Congrats and keep winning Coach.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 09, 2018, 11:41:24 AM
Grubby that was such a good post that I applauded but you are still way negative.

I agree that the real scots do seem to be having a great time and enjoying the team part of basketball.  Much fun.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 14, 2018, 01:39:21 PM
Now that was a delight, finally, as the Real Scots came from 19 down to beat Methodist by 10.  It was a good example of a team "just" doing what it is supposed to do...play hard and pay attention.  Looked like they had been coached!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 18, 2018, 04:25:12 PM
I know it doesn't make a difference this year, but has anyone noticed what Pfeiffer's doing? Have not scored less than 103 in 11 games this year.  @ MC on Sunday. Haven't been to Cooper in a couple weeks, but I'll definitely been there for that game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2018, 08:54:54 PM
I've seen what they are doing, but as you said... doesn't mean much. Not sure how many players are still around from their scholarship days. By the time Pfeiffer has any standing, most if not all will be gone. Nice to see them playing well, but sadly they are in no-man's land right now.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 19, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2018, 08:54:54 PM
I've seen what they are doing, but as you said... doesn't mean much. Not sure how many players are still around from their scholarship days. By the time Pfeiffer has any standing, most if not all will be gone. Nice to see them playing well, but sadly they are in no-man's land right now.
I also noticed the scores, but chalked it up to them being in transition and still having D2 players on the roster.  No matter, it must be fun to watch!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 19, 2018, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 19, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 18, 2018, 08:54:54 PM
I've seen what they are doing, but as you said... doesn't mean much. Not sure how many players are still around from their scholarship days. By the time Pfeiffer has any standing, most if not all will be gone. Nice to see them playing well, but sadly they are in no-man's land right now.
I also noticed the scores, but chalked it up to them being in transition and still having D2 players on the roster.  No matter, it must be fun to watch!

I agree. Can't blame the kids for putting the smack down on their opponents. Obviously some good d2 talent on the roster.
I noticed they were 26-5 last year in D2 with wins in similar fashion. Very impressive!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2018, 04:22:23 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 21, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
Top coaches in their conferences and Uncle Randy or his sidekick Archbishop Magic Don Placeres won't be on there but the coach from Methodist will be?

Pfeiffer was dismantled by the Scots, who btw the way had a blast....blasting them.  The scots are so much fun to watch with the stone cold predator Hoppa, Nokes, and the Incredible Flying Emier.  His dunks are ok and somewhat entertaining, but his blocks are YYYYYUUUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE!  Emier's progression from raw athlete to skilled basketball player has been fun to watch.  This team is loaded with weapons and today they showed their biggest weakness isn't very weak.  The PGs did a great job.  That sounds funny in a game with over 20 TOs but all three played strong and handled the pressure especially Estes.  No one for the scots had a bad game today.  Garcia and Songster made it rain.  Nokes and Malcolm locked down the middle.  Emier had a couple volleyball spikes but is a factor on every play around the rim. 

Pfeiffer actually has some nice young players.  35 is a player so is 0.  Their pace of play is tough to match.  We will see how Methodist handles it in 3 days.

Don Placeres had the guys ready to handle to type of ball that Don Placeres liked to play himself 25lbs ago.  Really need the scots to finish strong and get Uncle Randy a Coach of the Year award and a trip to the NCAA tournament.  The national stage needs to see Emier's shot blocking.

Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 21, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
^^ Yeah, 59 is a far cry from Pfeiffer's normal average ... poor shooting or did MC control the tempo ... or both?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 22, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
Heck of a game. One of the few you'd wish went on for another 20 minutes.

Hasa, to answer your question (in my humble opinion) I think MC just stepped up to the plate and beat them at their own game.  I don't think Pfeiffer ever came out of the press the entire game, but when the press needed to be broken, it was. Lights out shooting from Songster and Garcia surely helped as well. I think that dunk from Emier Bowman where he took off from Knoxville broke Pfeiffer.  Crazy stats of the game: MC had 27 TOs and 23 assists to Pfeiffer's 20 TOs and 8 assists.  I think the lowest the lead got to in the second half was 14.

It was easy to see how Pfeiffer scores as much as they do. Don't put the ball on the floor or they'll get it and take it the other way.

Their average was, what? 116 or something?  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 22, 2018, 10:00:59 AM
Whichever coach decided to play a zone was right on target...nobody would ever expect Maryville to do that!  Two tough games in two days with aggressive and quick teams should help the still young Real Scots be good enough to play for a while come tournament time.  This is a fun bunch to watch, for sure.

Covenant also beat Pfieffer but by out scoring them rather than defending them.  The Other Scots are a pretty good team and The Real Scots will have to show up down there shortly to keep this conference string going.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 22, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
Emier made SC Top 10 at number 7 with his block. Nasty, nasty stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 23, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
Yes Emier's block made sportscenter.  That is why the Grubby one talked about his blocks being better than his dunks before the block made sportscenter.  The Grubby is still a prophet.  This is a lot more fun now that the Scots are somewhat good again.  This isn't a top 25 team by any stretch.  If you had Josh Brooks this year it might be though and next year if they don't get in the top 25 there will be some very very lengthy discussions with the voters of the top 25.  I may even enlist the help of Pat Coleman to get their attention.  Once upon a time it took like two years and 3 wins in the NCAA tournament to get their attention.  Once they got focused they were consistent and the NABC followed their lead.  It got bad though when even guys like Greg Hernandez got an all american award!!!!  That award actually belonged to Don Placeres who molded, developed, and operated Greg.  Now I run Greg's life!

Hoppa is a legit predator!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 23, 2018, 12:42:16 PM
http://mcscots.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180123cdybdc


I hope I'm reading the roster correctly, but no seniors on this team?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2018, 01:11:42 PM
I love the block!  Thanks for sharing the link!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 24, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
No seniors.  If everyone stays healthy and in school and does not get cocky, this will be good. Production from people in each class and Josh Brooks back next year.  It feels a bit  like it used to in Scottieland. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 24, 2018, 10:17:46 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 24, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
No seniors.  If everyone stays healthy and in school and does not get cocky, this will be good. Production from people in each class and Josh Brooks back next year.  It feels a bit  like it used to in Scottieland.

Forgive my ignorance on the men's basketball team, but who is Josh Brooks? A stud?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 24, 2018, 02:55:05 PM
Brooks is the guard that is sitting out this year from what i hear due to concussions.  He is the dude with the sweet mustache who can do everything but shoot.  That will make him the perfect teammate.  He is their best perimeter defender unless DQ proves me wrong, best passer, best penetrator unless DQ proves me wrong.  Brooks is a great teammate, he is not a good shooter so he doesnt take a lot of shots which would leave more shots for me.  He's like the anti Chris Housewright, instead of stealing stats, he boosts his teammates stats.  If he was cleared to play this year Uncle Randy and Don P would have their little scotty dogs in the top 25.

Next major question is Hoppa.  On a scale of 1-10 Brooks's mustache is like an 11.  Eddie Murphy is jealous of that thing.  Now Hoppa's hair style......lets open that up to suggestions and new opportunities!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 24, 2018, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 24, 2018, 02:55:05 PM
  Eddie Murphy is jealous of that thing

Eddie Murphy now, or Eddie Murphy Delirious?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Our boys had a fight on their hands last night but made it 20 in a row at home. Does anyone have a clue as to what would be some type of program record?

Berea was steadfast on not letting Emier hang out at the baseline like Pfeiffer did. Calvin Songster is crazy good when he gets in a rhythm.   I'm convinced you can't press this team with a high success rate.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 25, 2018, 10:24:11 AM
I hope a week off gets the Real Scots rested and rededicated. I am sure the Fake Scots will want to hold court next week.

Hey Grubby...can people as old as Joshua Brooks learn to shoot?  I know it will mess up your analysis if he would do that, but it would be a good thing overall.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
MC is 14-4 on the year with 7 games in the regular season to go. If Real Scots (I like to touch, by the way) can run the table they'll finish 21-4.

Randy Lambert's career record coming into this season is 679-310...
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 25, 2018, 01:14:21 PM
Brooks doesn't need to shoot. He can just pass to songster.  Yea, NBA guys learn to shoot as they advance in their careers.  The scots will need to win a USASC/NickMitchell Men's Basketball tournament game to get Uncle Randy to 700.  These guys are too young to win out.  Not trying to be debbie downer but basketball is a tournament sport and sometimes a loss late in the regular season is the best thing that can happen to a team.  It reignites the fire and reminds the kids they are human.  Obviously I want them to win every game.  I don't know what the home win streak is but Im not sure 20 comes close.  I would imagine it was set somewhere between 2003-2008.  Randy didn't lose a lot of games, much less home games during those years.  But 20 may be getting close.  The only thing that matters is the NCAA tourney.  These young kids need to see and feel it and the only way in is to win the USASC/NIck Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament.  Randy's two greatest accomplishments: his family and his relationships with his players .  His second set of great accomplishments are the 1986 ODAC championship and his record 13 straight trips to the NCAA tournament that will never be equaled.  and his fifth greatest accomplishment was teaching Alex Bowers how to actually play basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 27, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 22, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
Heck of a game. One of the few you'd wish went on for another 20 minutes.

Hasa, to answer your question (in my humble opinion) I think MC just stepped up to the plate and beat them at their own game.  I don't think Pfeiffer ever came out of the press the entire game, but when the press needed to be broken, it was. Lights out shooting from Songster and Garcia surely helped as well. I think that dunk from Emier Bowman where he took off from Knoxville broke Pfeiffer.  Crazy stats of the game: MC had 27 TOs and 23 assists to Pfeiffer's 20 TOs and 8 assists.  I think the lowest the lead got to in the second half was 14.

It was easy to see how Pfeiffer scores as much as they do. Don't put the ball on the floor or they'll get it and take it the other way.

Their average was, what? 116 or something?  :o
Thanks for your response ... yeah, triple figure average for sure. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on January 29, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
Can Piedmont hold off LaGrange for second in the west?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
MC is 14-4 on the year with 7 games in the regular season to go. If Real Scots (I like to touch, by the way) can run the table they'll finish 21-4.

Randy Lambert's career record coming into this season is 679-310...
You thinking 700 Club if he wins out or gets a win or two in the conference tournament?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2018, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
MC is 14-4 on the year with 7 games in the regular season to go. If Real Scots (I like to touch, by the way) can run the table they'll finish 21-4.

Randy Lambert's career record coming into this season is 679-310...
You thinking 700 Club if he wins out or gets a win or two in the conference tournament?
Hmm...

679 + 310 = 989

989 + 7 reg season games = 996

996 + 3 post-season USAC games = 999

999 + Round 1 of the NCAA playoffs = 1000!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2018, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
MC is 14-4 on the year with 7 games in the regular season to go. If Real Scots (I like to touch, by the way) can run the table they'll finish 21-4.

Randy Lambert's career record coming into this season is 679-310...
You thinking 700 Club if he wins out or gets a win or two in the conference tournament?
Hmm...

679 + 310 = 989

989 + 7 reg season games = 996

996 + 3 post-season USAC games = 999

999 + Round 1 of the NCAA playoffs = 1000!
Well, if I read this correctly, Coach Lambert was 679-310 "coming into this season" (= 989), so at 14-4 he would currently be at 693-314 (= 1007).  He has, therefore. already coached over a thousand games.  He needs seven wins to get 700.  With seven regular season games remaining and at least one in the USAS tournament, he has a shot this season.  How the Scots finish the regular season and how deep they go in the tournament(s) will all have a bearing.  At any rate, nice career, sir.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 29, 2018, 10:58:17 PM
I believe Hasanova has it right. Randy has the 1000 games and the 700 will require some more wins.  This is a pretty good team, so it may happen!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 30, 2018, 08:28:04 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
MC is 14-4 on the year with 7 games in the regular season to go. If Real Scots (I like to touch, by the way) can run the table they'll finish 21-4.

Randy Lambert's career record coming into this season is 679-310...
You thinking 700 Club if he wins out or gets a win or two in the conference tournament?

It'll probably in the conference tourney. I thought it was convenient for numbers to line up as they do.
I, like Coach Lambert, could care less about the 700 unless MC wins the USAC tourney and goes dancing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on January 30, 2018, 08:30:33 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2018, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
MC is 14-4 on the year with 7 games in the regular season to go. If Real Scots (I like to touch, by the way) can run the table they'll finish 21-4.

Randy Lambert's career record coming into this season is 679-310...
You thinking 700 Club if he wins out or gets a win or two in the conference tournament?
Hmm...

679 + 310 = 989

989 + 7 reg season games = 996

996 + 3 post-season USAC games = 999

999 + Round 1 of the NCAA playoffs = 1000!
Well, if I read this correctly, Coach Lambert was 679-310 "coming into this season" (= 989), so at 14-4 he would currently be at 693-314 (= 1007).  He has, therefore. already coached over a thousand games.  He needs seven wins to get 700.  With seven regular season games remaining and at least one in the USAS tournament, he has a shot this season.  How the Scots finish the regular season and how deep they go in the tournament(s) will all have a bearing.  At any rate, nice career, sir.

He got to 1000 career games a few weeks ago. If I remember correctly, just a few days before Rick Barnes got his 1000th across the river.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 30, 2018, 09:38:05 AM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 30, 2018, 08:30:33 AM
Quote from: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2018, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: hasanova on January 29, 2018, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on January 25, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
MC is 14-4 on the year with 7 games in the regular season to go. If Real Scots (I like to touch, by the way) can run the table they'll finish 21-4.

Randy Lambert's career record coming into this season is 679-310...
You thinking 700 Club if he wins out or gets a win or two in the conference tournament?
Hmm...

679 + 310 = 989

989 + 7 reg season games = 996

996 + 3 post-season USAC games = 999

999 + Round 1 of the NCAA playoffs = 1000!
Well, if I read this correctly, Coach Lambert was 679-310 "coming into this season" (= 989), so at 14-4 he would currently be at 693-314 (= 1007).  He has, therefore. already coached over a thousand games.  He needs seven wins to get 700.  With seven regular season games remaining and at least one in the USAS tournament, he has a shot this season.  How the Scots finish the regular season and how deep they go in the tournament(s) will all have a bearing.  At any rate, nice career, sir.

He got to 1000 career games a few weeks ago. If I remember correctly, just a few days before Rick Barnes got his 1000th across the river.
Rick Barnes, by the way, is a North Carolinian who played his college ball at now NCAA DII Lenoir-Rhyne in Hickory.  Back in the day, the Bears were an NAIA Carolinas Conference member with schools like Catawba, Guilford, High Point, Newberry, Presbyterian and Elon, among others.  Look up his rather infamous dust-up with Dean Smith when Rick was HC at Clemson.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 31, 2018, 11:09:04 PM
Hard for the Real Scots to beat the Other Scots when the OS's cannot miss the basket.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:45:30 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 07, 2018, 10:28:02 PM
Scots dust off Brevard.  Biggest lesson from tonight's game: Malcolm is a better dunker than Emier. If Emier disagrees, Malcolm will break him in half.  Thunderous two handed dunks vs pretty little one handed Candace Parker dunks. 

Don P is the Cuban fuego on the sidelines.   Lambert one Win closer. He doesn't even remember half his wins, well at his age he hardly remembers where he parks his car half the time. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 07, 2018, 11:07:15 PM
And Methodist loses. Real Scots need to avoid lethargy and cockiness.  Malcolm Walker is figuring it out!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2018, 11:04:16 AM
Berea was an embarrassment to all basketball in the state of Kentucky.  The Grubby One takes full credit for the presence Malcolm has become. The Scots are a good team when Manny is hitting. This years team is good, not top 25, next years team is easily a top 25 team. 

Now these kids need to realize it's a lot of work for a single accomplishment: win the conference tourney then the slate wipes clean again and it's on to play for real. To actually compete with the best.  Players don't come to Murvul to win some regular season games.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 11, 2018, 01:13:22 PM
Is this group ready to win the Nik Mitchell challenge?  If they really play defense like they can, they are pretty good but if they think scoring is the key, they are vulnerable to a hot shooting team (i.e., Covenant last week).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 14, 2018, 02:05:09 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2018, 02:48:17 PM
So Maryville is now 5th in the NCAA regional rankings.  If they keep winning, they might be able to score an NCAA bid even if they screw up the USASouth tournament.  Emory and Emory and Henry, to whom the Scots lost, are ahead of them, as is   Randolph Macon.  R-M or E & H could win the ODAC tournament but the other one would likely be an NCAA at-large team.

So winning the USASouth tournament seems like the best plan.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:43:19 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 21, 2018, 06:10:20 PM
There is only one way to get the Scots in the tourney and that is win the USASouth/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament.  I saw the Scots beat Lagrange last night and it was sad to see Bonner's very impressive career end at Lagrange.  The kid could play and had a ton of success at LC.  But here is reality, Wallace is allowing someone else to win the tournament.  I will be there this weekend to see the young Scots get Uncle Randy his 700th win, man he's old, and the Saturday play for a conference championship/tourney bid.

Several Key takeaways from last night
1. Malcolm Walker noticed Sig was not there and is going to hammer him for lack of attendance.  I will as usual keep it classy and kick Sig when Malcolm has him down.
2. Magic Don P pushed the young Scots through a tournament game which is very different than a regular season game. The Scots were down early and Don P wasn't having it.  Don P has game but Mrs. Don P is savage!!!
3. Emier missed a break away dunk late and I will never let him forget about it.
4. Hoppa is a predator
5. The Scots have the depth to be a very very very good team next year and even an NCAA tournament team this year.  10 legit players.  That includes Manny.
6.  Coach Jones is hot at least thats what the majority of the fans said last night
7.  Randy Lambert is at 699 and would be higher if he wore a jacket when he coached but all Murvul fans know he would be at about 500 wins out of 1000 if it weren't for Watts and Sig. That duo was way ahead of its time.  Those two live the Lambert mantra and made being uncool, cool. Just a fact.  Lambert knows it and he understands the consequences of disagreeing with that.

Methodist could be a match up problem.  They will play tough and push the intensity level.  Murvul is tough to beat at home.  The 3 deep PGs will need to be strong and Songster and Hoppa #predator will need to have good games.  If Emier can make his dunks, the rim is high at 10 ft,  and Nokes/Malcolm control the paint as usual then Uncle Randy gets #700.

This team is so much fun and this team with everyone that has stepped up their game as the season has progressed would beat E&H.  I bet Roanoke takes the ODAC tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 21, 2018, 11:32:14 PM
It is about time the Grubby One spoke.  We were adrift.  Methodist is all seniors and one of them is very tall.  Having so many players is a great benefit for Murvul.  Fun!  I am for getting into the Big Tournament this year so next year will not be a new experience.  If Murvul had won all the games they should have won this year, they would be ranked higher in the NCAA regional and might coulda hosted.  Losing to Emory, E & H, and Centre was not all that damaging.  If a frog had wings....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 23, 2018, 10:49:54 PM
Well said Scottiedoug
This team hasn't done anything until they get to an NCAA tournament.  Its the expectation at Murvul or we look to fire the coach!!!!  Look it up, the Grubby One owns www.firelambert.com, firelambert.net and firelambert.org

The last game my wife attended was win #500 in Lagrange GA.  Ive been at 300,500, and now 700.  heres the difference in each of those milestones b/c obviously no one cares about the even numbers.  At win 300 i got a hug, at 500 I got a handshake, at 700 i couldn't get close enough b/c of all the media and autograph seekers.  So Sig and i hung out with a better Lambert....Jason Lambert.  He is younger, better looking, smarter and many many other better traits. 

This team and atmosphere around the program reminds me of the Bobby Golden/Quinn Bradley era (Alex Bowers was nothing without Quinn).  These guys have so much fun.  There are so many guys that can step up.  There are NO Seniors.  They were led tonight by a Freshman PG b/c of foul trouble.  Uncle Randy enjoys this team and he enjoyed getting his 700th win.  What is most amazing about this win total is the dollars per win.  The money the college has paid him in salary=phenomenal ROI.  The size of the budget vs the "big time" D3 programs=pehnomenal ROI.  he truly has done more with less than most of his competitors.  He doesn't have a new gym like Piedmont or Berry or Berea or Roanoke.  Hes never been able to offer a trip to the bahamas or europe like Sewanee.  When I see him sitting in the gym and he is not talking trash, which is rare at his age, you can see in his eyes that enjoys the relationships that have been built around his program.  Teammates who kids play together, guys who didn't play at the same time that are friends b/c the head coach is the same, and that everyone knows his entire family.  The best compliments of the night came from Chris Bunch, Head Coach at Webster University and former assistant, now Im not going to repeat that stuff but it was GREAT to see BUNCH!!!!!!!!  I can see it now when they honor Coach at his retirement party he will receive a plaque that simply says "you rode Jack Roberts coat tails to tonights events!"

Now Coach Don P will have these clowns ready to capitalize on their opportunity to get to NCAA tournament trip #18 tomorrow? Because Don P es fuego con queso!!!!!  Scots vs Scots in the battle for the title "real Scots!" from Boydson Baird Gymnasium on Randy Lambert Court!

Should be a great game.  Someone is getting a ticket punched tomorrow night!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 23, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
Well at least we get Grubby One to offer observations even if they are as they are.  Two really good ballgames tonight.  The Real Scots will need to show up and defend like they did tonight when the game was on the line. It would save some heartache if they did that a little earlier.  Methodist was not going to let Calvin beat them so others had to do it.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2018, 09:10:19 PM
Randy Lambert gets his 701st overall win and his FIRST EVER USASouth/Nick Mitchell Men's Basketball Tournament Championship.  Oh and I almost glazed over his 19th trip to the NCAA Tournament.  Depth is huge in D3, it is the proper use of not being limited a certain number of scholarships.  The Murvul Scots had 11 players score and contribute tonight.  Even better is that there are no seniors. 
Tournament MVP Donte Hoppa proved he was a predator!  His biggest strength is his ability to listen and execute what the coaching staff directs him to do.  He actually listens to his coaches, strange, yet effective. 
Packed house at Murvul.  Great game.  Great PG for Covenant.  Awesome young coach for Covenant.  That was the basketball environment Uncle Randy is used to.

Coach Magic Don P is simply en fuego!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
Grubbiest is on target, as he used to be on the court most of the time. Covenant knows what to do and was effective at it. Real Scots have lots of ways to score and have become better at doing what RDL says.  Maybe another shot at Emory or Emory and Henry in the NCAA!  May as well play at Murvul as the atmosphere is what you want.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
Nice tribute to Coach Lambert here on D3Hoops.  Thanks!

http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2017-18/contrib/20180223w3pnzh
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 25, 2018, 02:28:31 PM
Uncle Randy is the best and all of his alums loves this quote
"I wish my Mom and Dad could have been here to share with me," Lambert said. "They invested so much in my life, and they enjoyed the coaching aspects of it. I really miss them. Honestly, I'm just so thankful that we are playing in the finals tomorrow. You know, the 700 was kind of a benchmark."

Everyone that has ever played for him wishes his Mom and Dad could have been there!!!  Great people, great parents, great examples of leadership in a community, and great fans and true support win or lose. Coach Lambert embodies those same traits and that's why he is one of the all time greats!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on February 28, 2018, 01:51:15 PM
What's the more informed basketball-minded opinion on the Scots' matchup with Nebraska Wesleyan? Better question: has there been enough time to form one yet?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2018, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on February 28, 2018, 01:51:15 PM
What's the more informed basketball-minded opinion on the Scots' matchup with Nebraska Wesleyan? Better question: has there been enough time to form one yet?

I haven't seen Maryville play enough to know for sure.  NebWes is a very talented team, with a ton of offensive fire power.  You can beat them if they shoot poorly or you can match them bucket for bucket.  If the opponent struggles offensively, it could be a long night.  I don't think they're designed for a halfcourt game, but the individual talent on that team would likely give opponents trouble if they slow down, as well.

It'll be minimizing mistakes and really concentrating on defense.  They're definitely beatable.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: gordonmann on February 28, 2018, 05:21:39 PM
QuoteNice tribute to Coach Lambert here on D3Hoops.  Thanks!

http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/men/2017-18/contrib/20180223w3pnzh

That was really nicely done but I want to be sure Maryville's SID and Athletic Department gets credit for it. We just posted a link to what they contributed to our site.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 28, 2018, 10:52:53 PM
I think the way Maryville took down Pfieffer this year indicates that they can do this.  They can score and defend against talent and quickness. Coach Lambert and his staff are pretty good at game planning.  If the players execute as they can, this is a good and deep team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 02, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
Murvul is deep.  10 players that can go for double figures.  If 6 or 7 show up they should beat Neb Wes.  If 3 or 4 show up then NW will probably get the W.  I think the two teams are very similar so it really comes down to how many guys show up and play for each team.  I will give the scots a slight edge on the defensive end but I think the winner of this game breaks 90 points so not sure how big of an advantage defense is in this one.

With that said, please stop calling it Maryville (Tenn).  We established it as the dominant Maryville years ago and Maryville (MO) left for D2 anyway.  There is ony one Murvul and one Randy Lambert!!!  Sorry Don P, you are number 3 in your own house behind the boss ladies!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 02, 2018, 08:46:00 PM
Ouch!  The USA South and the ODAC are out early as Nebraska Wesleyan beats Maryville, 94-70, and F&M tops E&H in a battle of the ampersands, 73-59.  Good seasons, men.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 02, 2018, 11:22:53 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan was as advertised.  Mr. Grubby was right...not enough Scots showed up (what was up with Colt?) and many of the other team did.  Hoppa and Manny did good.  Otherwise, perhaps the Scots now know what it takes to win at that level.  It was a good year.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 03, 2018, 09:52:02 PM
The Nebraska Wesleyan team took care of Aurora, which beat #4 ranked Washington U. on WashU's court.  The Scots got beat by a Sweet 16 team that is pretty good!  I assume Randy's team will want to try this again next year with a clearer idea about what it takes!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2018, 03:54:25 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan  has beaten every team they have played in the NCAA tournament by about as much as they beat the Scots and are now in the Final Four.  Randy's players should feel pretty good knowing they did as well as several highly touted other teams.  I hope they dedicate the time off to maximizing what they already have demonstrated.  I thought they looked like a really good team in the MC game and now it seems that was correct.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 17, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
Ok Scots.  Nebraska Wesleyan had all their players back and decided to make something of it.  Your turn!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on April 19, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
John Brice tweeted this morning that UT and MC will have an exhibition game Oct. 31.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 20, 2018, 10:48:32 AM
To remind the Scots of Nebraska Wesleyan?  Not sure how this is helpful.  Maybe money is involved.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2018, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on April 20, 2018, 10:48:32 AM
To remind the Scots of Nebraska Wesleyan?  Not sure how this is helpful.  Maybe money is involved.

Assuredly. That's how these things go, generally.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on April 22, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
I would suspect MC would get at least $50k for the exhibition...maybe more. Heck, TN Tech paid us $25k for a football game. That money goes a long way for small athletics budgeting.

A chance to play on the same court Pat Summitt won 8 national championships and men's teams like UNC, UK, and Kansas have played...sign me up.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 23, 2018, 11:31:12 AM
Does anyone out there think this is useful for the teams as teams? I understand that the Scots will learn some things about playing bigger and more skilled men but what could UT get from it?  And of course money for the Scots is always scarce.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 23, 2018, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: Scots13 on April 22, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
I would suspect MC would get at least $50k for the exhibition...maybe more. Heck, TN Tech paid us $25k for a football game. That money goes a long way for small athletics budgeting.

A chance to play on the same court Pat Summitt won 8 national championships and men's teams like UNC, UK, and Kansas have played...sign me up.

I'd be surprised if it's 50K but it's been a while since I was involved in the business of any of these transactions.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ronk on April 24, 2018, 12:02:30 AM
I'm remembering that Catholic got 15K plus 100 tickets for their bball game @ Maryland this past season.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 24, 2018, 06:26:29 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 24, 2018, 12:02:30 AM
I'm remembering that Catholic got 15K plus 100 tickets for their bball game @ Maryland this past season.

That sounds more in line with what I'd expect.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on April 24, 2018, 08:38:44 PM
I'll take your word for it in terms of the money...but if anyone can blow money it's Tennessee's athletic department ::)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 24, 2018, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: ronk on April 24, 2018, 12:02:30 AM
I'm remembering that Catholic got 15K plus 100 tickets for their bball game @ Maryland this past season.

And that was for an actual game - not an exhibition (for either team)!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 25, 2018, 10:05:30 AM
And if anyone can use extra money, it's Maryville's athletic department (and the entire school, for that matter!)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Scots13 on April 27, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
They announced a $3.5M-ish renovation of Alumni Gym to include a new baseball locker room...didn't they come out in the Daily Times in 2016 that they had a 10 year plan to move the baseball field next to the softball field, add a natatorium, and "rotate" the football field? I guess that plan is out of the window?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on April 29, 2018, 11:08:23 AM
I always thought that plan was a pipe dream that would cost a huge amount of money....Apparently someone is paying for much of this alumni gym/baseball locker project.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 05, 2018, 09:38:39 AM
Watch out!

https://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/scots-welcome-freshmen-class-on-heels-of-championship-season/article_48680a18-4e56-5eec-b2f0-9e6121cb9b3a.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 25, 2018, 05:59:05 PM
It was bound to happen.  Randy Lambert is retiring.  Raul Placeres is the new head coach.  The Maryville Scots will be fine!

http://www.mcscots.com/general/2018-19/releases/20180625ktsrk2
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 25, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
To be clear... he will retire after this season. Not gone, yet. :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 26, 2018, 10:07:18 AM
Dave...yes.   

https://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/raul-placeres-to-replace-randy-lambert-as-maryville-college-men/article_119e7e07-568b-5f09-a7cf-78257388b6bd.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on June 27, 2018, 09:43:22 AM
Here is a nice piece on Coach Lambert by Marcus Fitzsimmons for the Maryville Daily Times:

https://www.thedailytimes.com/columns/marcus_fitzsimmons/maryville-college-s-wise-old-owl-strikes-again-with-retirement/article_d8467786-5eb8-5a39-851a-55e3edf8a8c5.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on September 12, 2018, 12:57:05 PM
praying all of our coastal friends stay safe
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 11, 2018, 04:17:23 PM
Maryville ranked #22 in preseason D3 poll...who knows who knows what. May as well act like it, though.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 25, 2018, 11:25:35 AM
Teams like Pfeiffer and Berea have beaten up on some poor non-D3 teams, and some poor D3 teams as well. I'm looking forward to seeing if they can continue their ways into the conference season. I'm sure Pfeiffer's transfer Riddley isn't going to continue to average 36 a game, but that would be fun. Also, Berea's Torell Carter is off to a fast start as well, but his numbers dropped off considerably when the conference season kicked in. Hoping his freshman year helped him learn some things and he can continue his impressive play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 28, 2018, 11:30:42 AM
Covenant ran Maryville out of its own gym last night. The Real Scots have a lot of work to do if they expect to do well.  Maybe they already "expect" to and have not yet understood that they have to work to fulfill "expectations." Their senior post player appears no longer to be on the team.  Post work fallls to two freshmen.  Covenant shot lights out and their 6' 9" guy had a good game inside and out...he can shoot it and they have several guards who can too.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 07, 2018, 11:13:16 AM
Maryville's Colt Nokes, their senior post, has a torn ACL.  It has taken some time but maybe the Scots have figured out how to play without him.  It is not like Coach Lambert lacks experience with this kind of challenge.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 25, 2019, 10:48:01 PM
Anybody out there?  Maryville may have figured out what they need to be doing...beat NC Wesleyan handily at home.  They have found a rebounder, which they needed.  Covenant seems in control of their lock as the top seed but there are several who can finish second and have a decent placement for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on January 26, 2019, 04:42:23 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on January 25, 2019, 10:48:01 PM
Anybody out there?  Maryville may have figured out what they need to be doing...beat NC Wesleyan handily at home.  They have found a rebounder, which they needed.  Covenant seems in control of their lock as the top seed but there are several who can finish second and have a decent placement for the tournament.
Beating NCWC is a big deal this season.  Congratulations to the Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:46:40 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:18:42 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 14, 2019, 10:28:33 AM
Link goes to First week rankings....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 16, 2019, 05:06:48 PM
Ok so Maryville Scote even up with Covenant Scots and grabs second seed in the conference tournament, drawing LaGrange (who else?) for a third meeting.  MC is playing as well as they were supposed to all year and can beat anyone in the league. It will be fitting if this group can win out and get Coach Lambert a final trip to the NCAA. 

Is anyone out there?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:40:58 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2019, 10:51:29 PM
Murvul is in. (Randy got his ticket to the dance, one more time.)  Congrats!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2019, 12:11:20 PM
Hey Ralph!  It has been an interesting year for the Scots and a fitting tribute to Randy's coaching abilities. It took a while, but the team is now a team.  The program represents what is good about D3 basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 24, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
d3hoops is predicting Guilford/Maryville and Sewanee/Emory in Atlanta.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2019, 01:23:40 AM
Quote from: hasanova on February 24, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
d3hoops is predicting Guilford/Maryville and Sewanee/Emory in Atlanta.

Centre is the only other school that can drive there, so this is a very likely pod - especially since there's no guarantee Centre even gets in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on February 25, 2019, 07:18:42 AM
That would be an interesting Pod. Maybe Randy has a couple more wins up his sleeve.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2019, 09:21:17 AM
Quote from: bballlover on February 25, 2019, 07:18:42 AM
That would be an interesting Pod. Maybe Randy has a couple more wins up his sleeve.

I thought they were a Top 25 coming in, with all the returners.  Obviously, things got a bit tricky there during the year with injury, but they seem to be on a good roll and they won't run into the champs in the first weekend, I don't think.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2019, 09:26:36 AM
Maryville's drawing Nebraska Wesleyan last year was not a happy event.  The Guilford-Emory-Center-Sewanee deal is more manageable.  Scots can hang with all of them.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2019, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 25, 2019, 09:26:36 AM
Maryville's drawing Nebraska Wesleyan last year was not a happy event.  The Guilford-Emory-Center-Sewanee deal is more manageable.  Scots can hang with all of them.
The thing is, though, all five (Centre, Emory, Guilford, Maryville and Sewanee) can probably all hang with each other.  As the potential host, Emory has a terrific tie-breaker advantage with home crowd.  With that said, I think all five potential qualifiers feel they could win this pod.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2019, 02:20:39 PM

Apparently Guilford finished ahead of Emory in the South rankings.  Didn't expect it, but it allows for some good matchups.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on February 25, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 25, 2019, 02:20:39 PM

Apparently Guilford finished ahead of Emory in the South rankings.  Didn't expect it, but it allows for some good matchups.
I guess geography allowed Wittenberg to be in this pod.  Less likely if in Atlanta rather than Greensboro.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2019, 06:54:27 PM
Then the committee fools us and sends Maryville to Marietta in a pod with teams that people have beaten this year...one can only hope!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 06, 2019, 11:28:49 AM
Moving on...here is a nice story about Raul Placeres, Maryville's "new" basketball coach: https://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/maryville-college-s-raul-placeres-ready-to-take-over-for/article_3b42f90c-30cc-5e78-8d49-d2e343251b69.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 04, 2019, 01:50:53 PM
Announced today, Caleb Kimbrough is leaving Huntingdon to accept the HC position at Hampden-Sydney.

http://hscathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2018-19/releases/20190404ibpb8x
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on October 23, 2019, 12:55:47 PM
The Placeres Era is starting at Murvul.  It will be weird not having the wise old owl on the sidelines but he has assured me that if Placeres loses 3 games before the Christmas break that there will be an immediate coaching change and the wise old owl will be back!  No extra pressure on Coach P but Murvul fans expect results.  Esteemed Alumni such as Kris Sigmund and Walden Buttram fully the support the 3 game rule placed on Coach P.  Buttram, a former teammate of Placeres, even tried to make it a 2 game rule.  There is incredible support from other esteemed Scots alums such as Chris Housewright, Montay Calloway, and even Brent Watts who fully support Coach P and are extremely excited about the new era of Murvul Men's Basketball.  When asked what he thought about Coach Plaerceres taking over, former Scot and two time all American Sidney Ellis responded with "Who?"  We will all get to see the new look Scots on November 5th against D1 MTSU in Murfreesboro. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 04, 2019, 10:18:50 AM
Well Matt at least you are still alive.  I was wondering.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 05, 2019, 12:21:23 PM
about halfway through the first half and Maryville is leading by 5...how about that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 05, 2019, 12:53:30 PM
Scots down 6 at the half.  Pretty impressive for a bunch of freshmen.  3pt shooting is the great equalizer.  Scots are 4-6 from 3 and Middle is 4-13.  Scots need to shoot more 3s!!!!  Great showing through the 1st half but I can promise you Coach P didn't go to Murfreesboro for anything less than a win!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 06, 2019, 10:31:41 AM
Maryville Daily Times puts a positive spin on the eventual trouncing by DI MTSU. Coach P also quotes as positive.  What a lot of new players!  https://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/maryville-college-men-show-moxie-in-exhibition-loss-to-middle/article_adb997b2-cf23-5b57-bcf7-1f879bcfd566.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 18, 2019, 12:11:46 PM
I guess Coach Placeres and The Scotts will just have to run the table til Christmas [ the three game rule and all ]. The real question is did any of you get to see Piedmont play? Hoping for a scouting report. Congrats to Coach Neeley and the Lions on two wins.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 18, 2019, 03:39:56 PM
I am sorry that I did not see Piedmont, especially after they beat Johnson. Coach P. will find some scorers among that crowd of freshmen (or it will be a more lengthy rebuild than we hope).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 18, 2019, 06:39:38 PM
Averett at Guilford originally scheduled for Tuesday has now been rescheduled for Wednesday, November 20 at 7 pm.  I do not know why.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 18, 2019, 08:58:20 PM
Yes, Coach P is on thin ice according to the wise old owl but P will slide by on his looks and winning personality as he always has.  Fortunately, the wise old owl has spent so much time on the golf course lately he doesn't remember a lot about basketball.  It was a tough weekend for MC but you have to start some where and fortunately for the Scots, there is only one way to go.....up.  They need scoring and scorers but they have a ton of talent and Coach P will develop them.  In 3 years the USA South won't be much fun unless you play for Murvul.
Piedmont looked GREAT!  I hope the big boy Joseph is ok b/c he took a big elbow to the head.  Coach Neely has a strong perimeter with a talented freshman PG and the Senior Riley at the two who can slide over to the PG.  PC also has depth and talent in the post.  PC looked like a complete team and executed in what looked like a tournament game against Johnson U.  PC had a great weekend.  Watch the webcast of the Piedmont/Johnson game if you want to witness awesomeness.
Like the SLIAC, there are only 3 games that count in the USA South and those are in the conference tournament.  You either win those games or you are not playing for a national title so what are you playing for..................
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 18, 2019, 11:42:06 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 18, 2019, 08:58:20 PM
Like the SLIAC, there are only 3 games that count in the USA South and those are in the conference tournament.  You either win those games or you are not playing for a national title so what are you playing for..................

In the SLIAC only four teams make the tournament so only two games to win it all. But in many seasons the final day of regular season games determines which team (or sometimes two teams) get the 3/4 spots.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on November 19, 2019, 08:46:28 AM
Thanks for the update Grubby. If PC can limit the turnovers and make a few more free throws this could be a pretty good year. By PC standards anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 20, 2019, 12:01:10 PM
PC is good.  I am concerned about Lagrange.  I might need to make a trip down there to see what young Wallace is up to!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 20, 2019, 11:31:17 PM
Final in Greensboro:  Guilford 76 (4-1), Averett 61 (2-2)

After a relatively close first 15 minutes, Guilford began to pull away from a very physical Cougars squad coached by former VWC great David Doino.

GC won most statistical categories, but AU did pull out a 43-39 rebounding edge.  Ward (17), Gregory (15) and transfer Davis (23) led the Quakers while the Cougars got 16 and 18, respectively, from Henry and Jones.  Guilford was a fairly efficient 25/52 FGs, 5/10 3FG and 21/28 FTs while Averett struggled at 25/70, 6/30 and 5/14.

Quakers face a 3-1 Berry team on Saturday who also lost to common opponent Emory, 99-85.  No real offense intended, but a couple of cupcake home tournament wins over the weekend vs Warren Wilson and Bob Jones in addition to an opening win over USASAC member Huntingdon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on November 24, 2019, 06:56:15 PM
MC Scots almost caught Emory and Henry after digging themselves into a big hole. Still without a reliable outside shooter and subject to defensive lapses. And then there is the foul shot problem.  But lots of good looking young players with size and quickness and Clifton, Sanders, and Brooks played like people with some college level experience. I think they will become pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 25, 2019, 04:56:20 PM
Methodist men visit Guilford tomorrow (Nov. 26) at 5 pm followed by the Pfeiffer Falcons vs Guilford women at 7:30.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on November 26, 2019, 10:57:22 PM
Well Guilford is 4-0 vs USAS teams.  I can't wait to see #2 ranked Emory this weekend in Murvul.  Glad to see Lagrange got their first win on Saturday.  Cant wait for 12/14 in the Wallace v Placeres match up!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: hasanova on November 26, 2019, 11:26:42 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on November 26, 2019, 10:57:22 PM
Well Guilford is 4-0 vs USAS teams.  I can't wait to see #2 ranked Emory this weekend in Murvul.  Glad to see Lagrange got their first win on Saturday.  Cant wait for 12/14 in the Wallace v Placeres match up!!!!!
Yep, 62-60.  Methodist was a very tough out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2019, 10:58:47 PM
With SVU joining in 2021-22, how close is the USA South to splitting into 2 conferences and permitting the "seceding" schools to remain as affiliates in those sports for which the seceding conference would not have an AQ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 11, 2019, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2019, 10:58:47 PM
With SVU joining in 2021-22, how close is the USA South to splitting into 2 conferences and permitting the "seceding" schools to remain as affiliates in those sports for which the seceding conference would not have an AQ?

A split is coming according to my sources. I know it is being talked about. Basically the old "GSAC" will reform to some degree (it isn't that perfect). I just don't know the timing.

And I will add it was coming before SVU was coming to the conference. I was told at one point that SVU wasn't going to join (whichever conference) until the split happened, but that detail clearly changed.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 12, 2019, 10:05:06 AM
Dave:  Do you know or suspect who will go with whom?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2019, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: scottiedoug on December 12, 2019, 10:05:06 AM
Dave:  Do you know or suspect who will go with whom?

I thought my hint was pretty obvious. :)

I will chat more about it on tonight's Hoopsville ... see below.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 12, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 17, 2019, 07:17:05 AM
Don't forget Johnson Univ is headed for D3. So yes an old school GSAC will revive with Murvul, Lagrange, Piedmont, Huntingdon, Berea, Covenant, Johnson and at least one more. Don't forget Shorter who probably won't last much longer in the D2 gulf south. Will be very interesting. Wish the wise old owl was steering this split for the southern schools. Ferrum made a great move for them. Side note, I am only referencing schools from the perspective of men's basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 17, 2019, 10:18:58 AM
Grubby:  What time frame for Johnson and D3? Brevard for #8?  Will the Young Scots get good quickly enough this year?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 17, 2019, 10:47:24 AM

There are a number of southern schools either in provisional status or circling D3 membership - even more reason for a conference split in the near future.  There will be plenty of teams to round out weak sports and boost numbers over the next decade.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on December 17, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
I'd say Brevard would make a perfect traveling pardner with Piedmont. Geographically at least.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 18, 2019, 05:16:03 PM
Yes, Brevard would be good.  There is going to be an interesting shake up and it really changes the problems Murvul had in the past.  Murvul was in the ODAC for travel purposes in the 80s.  I can't wait for the shake up.  I want more non conference games against ODAC and SAA schools.  More options for non conference games when there are not 25 teams in your conference.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 18, 2019, 06:43:05 PM

New article today in which the CAC commish says they're going to add "six to seven teams" if all goes well at the NCAA convention.  Methinks they're talking about current USASouth teams.  Not sure where else they'd get those numbers.


https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-cnu-capital-athletic-future-1218-20191217-avqntv3nsrc7neymrmxhsyvnwe-story.html?outputType=amp
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 19, 2019, 10:00:07 AM
Grubby One:  I agree.  It is a long ride up I81 to get into ODACland...beyond E & H.  You did not react to my other Scots question....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2019, 10:55:07 PM
For those of you who didn't listen to Hoopsville in that particular show ... the talk about a USA South split is still something I'm told will happen. The question is when and how ... I haven't gotten those details nailed down.

I also think the CAC could be talking to some USA South members. The conference is too big and it could be causing some friction for some schools.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 20, 2019, 11:21:24 AM
Dave:  Thanks.  If you learn anything interesting, please share!  USASouth is way too unwieldy, at least in basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 23, 2019, 03:55:48 PM
There are some USA South Schools that are still loyal to CNU even after CNU bolted.  CNU is getting some karma.  Murvul, Piedmont, Lagrange, and Huntingdon will get some good Karma for remaining loyal to each other for the past 20 years.  Should be a great time for a new conference centered around East Tennessee with Berea, Brevard, Covenant, Murvul, Johnson, Piedmont, Lagrange, and the football powerhouse HC.  As always, football will make for interesting bed fellows with realignment.

Im also interested in what happens with some NAIAs as the NAIA consolidates to 1 division.  A school like Milligan or Bryan will not like that transition and the addition of theses schools will make the conference centered around East TN.  This is gonna be fun.

Now on to Coach P and the young Scots!  We have full confidence in our young Scots.  They are to athletic and too talented to not win big after xmas.  They are relying on 1 Sr, 1 Jr, 2 sops, and freshmen.  The freshman are super talented and some of the most talented are just now starting to get some playing time.  By the end of the season, this time will be scary. Certainly not the same type of scary that 7 seniors poses but will be the kind of scary that the next 3 seasons will show.  Unfortunately, processes take time.  Im looking forward to the 3 straight home games  on Jan 4,11, & 12. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 24, 2019, 11:43:58 AM
Thanks, Grubby. Not sure I like the Milligan and Bryan plan as it would get back to 10 teams if your prediction with Johnson holds. Seems like too many.  Does Johnson have a women's bb team?

As to Young Scots, your predictions make sense to me...fewer turnovers and finding shooters will help a lot. I hope they can all stay in college after first term! See you soon.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 24, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 19, 2019, 10:55:07 PM
For those of you who didn't listen to Hoopsville in that particular show ... the talk about a USA South split is still something I'm told will happen. The question is when and how ... I haven't gotten those details nailed down.

I also think the CAC could be talking to some USA South members. The conference is too big and it could be causing some friction for some schools.
Catching up from the last few weeks.

The CAC discussion on Hoopsville can be heard in the 12/12/2019 podcast from 8:30 to 23:30... Really good

(The St Thomas stuff is at 2:04:00 to the end.)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on December 30, 2019, 11:56:11 AM
UGH............its tough being a Murvul fan right now.  Yesterday, they had another underclassmen go for 20+ pts.  By my count, that is 2 freshmen and 2 sophs that have scored more than 20 in a game.  Yesterdays game included Martin going 4-6 from 3 and Murvul needs shooters to emerge.  If anyone asks why I am still upbeat about my Scots, there are 2 reasons:
1.  I don't have a choice, Murvul is my team whether they are ranked or not and................
2.  Look at the 2022 season and tell me what happens when they have 4 guys go for 20 in a single game?  3 guys averaging 15+ per game.  Possibly 2 guys averaging double digit rebounds.

Just be ready for the webcast of the game on Jan 4.  Jimmy Dykes and Dan Dakich need to listen and learn some things on how to call a game.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 01, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
Scots Win!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 01, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
I think the Scots will win again.  Hoping Brooks, Clifton, and Neese are not too hurt. Even with so many young'uns, those are important.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 07, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
So is there any team in the USASouth that is consistently any good?  Maryville almost beat Covenant at Covenant but may not even make the tournament.  What say you, Grubby?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 08, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 07, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
So is there any team in the USASouth that is consistently any good?  Maryville almost beat Covenant at Covenant but may not even make the tournament.  What say you, Grubby?

Maryville had the coaching change and a lot of graduations, so inconsistency makes some sense.  I think the USAC has a lot of pretty good teams and when you couple that with the travel, it can make for some real upsets.  It doesn't feel like any of the teams is a top-to-bottom complete unit.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 12, 2020, 02:12:40 PM
Top four teams in east division get to play in the tournament.  There are three teams with 9 losses in the league and they are tied in the loss column for the 4th spot.  Should be an interesting week or so. And they play each other.  If Raul has his young'uns ready by now, they could play their way into the tournament.  I think they can beat any team in the league if they play as well as they can for two halves.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:12:51 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 19, 2020, 11:31:33 AM
MC loses to Piedmont when they cannot beat a zone by hitting shots.  Now must beat LaGrange at LaGrange to make the USASouth tournament.  I guess this is progress from an 0 - 9 start...this team is way improved and will be very good in the future.  Adding Nick Clifton to this group will be very helpful. Still need a lock down shooter! Calvin...Spencer...Eric....
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 23, 2020, 09:30:49 AM
In an epic battle, the battle between two Murvul Heroes, basically a play in game for the conference tournament, two brothers from the Wise Old Owl's coaching tree battled in Lagrange GA.  Let's look at the coaches:  Wallace-only coach that will ever get an at large bid from the USAS, Great Hair, Legend on MC Campus for numerous reasons, finally grown out of McGreal's shadow.  Placeres-fully replaced previous MC coach in less than one season, bald, legend on MC campus for numerous reasons, still in Jason Doan's shadow. 

Now on to the teams, Lagrange-hard fought season, less than desirable results, core of tough mentally strong players that are a trademark of Wallace coached teams, will be much improved next season.  Murvul-The bulk of the roster has 23 games of playing experience at this point, most of them have not turned 19, tons of athleticism.  This game is everything we thought it would be, much better than the Fury v Wilder fight. 

I wish I had watched more than 5 minutes of the game, but I was too nervous. Either way I was going to be happy for the winning coach but I am loyal to my fighting Scots.  The young Scots have finally figured out how to win.  Everyone loves the highlights but loose balls, made shots, made free throws, and long defensive possessions with stops lead to victories. 

Now the Scots take on the Scots in a rematch of what was a very close game they gave away on the mountain at Covenant.  Have they learned?  Are they different?  Has their coach learned? Is this team dangerous in a tournament environment?  Has key Murvul freshman Kah overcome his painful 4 years at an egregious high school? (he's in the healing process) Will Brice Martin be a two time conference player of the year? (yes). Is Josh Brooks the coolest player in the conference? (yes) We could talk about Chong but let's see how he performs in the conference tournament first. Does Coach P deserve coach of the year, probably, b/c next year will be a top 3 finish in the conference regular season and probably a trip to the NCAA tourney via a conference tourney win with the talent he has and the next few years will be easy street so if you are going to give him a coach of the year award, this is the year.

The Conference tournament is wide open.  I wish this conference had a clear favorite, I mean a team that could make a run in the NCAA tournament but sadly, there is not a team that can make a run in this conference.  If Brooks promises me a win, I will see everyone on the mountain Tuesday night!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 23, 2020, 09:58:28 PM
Egregious high school?  The archaic definition is "remarkably good."  The regular is "shockingly
bad." Jomp ball?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
Kah is from Bearden.  The Grubby One is from Farragut.  With that said, if we could get about 3 more guys like Kah then we would be back to the glory days like when Coach P was playing
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 24, 2020, 12:07:15 PM
The return of Nick Clifton to Kah, Martin, Uadiale will make a pretty formidable  (and tall) front bunch and if Chong and Sanders and a few others practice shooting outside, seems to me the Scots have a great chance to reach those heights next year.  Maybe the Grubby one can oversee gym/shooting work in the summer months.

I forgot Grubby went to Farragut
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2020, 10:19:06 PM
yea, the pipeline is full but I think they have a good chance tomorrow night at Covenant.  They are super excited about it.  I imagine they are still mad at themselves for giving the last game away down there.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:38:23 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2020, 11:06:30 PM
That hurt!  MC Scots in the end could not deal with Crumly.  What a nice effort by Raul's bunch, especially J.R. Sanders. I hope they are already excited about next year and know what they need to do before then.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2020, 12:26:05 PM
That did hurt.  Great effort by Covenant to not quit.  Brooks had a great career.  The future looks bright for the young Murvul Scots
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 01, 2020, 01:38:39 AM
Methodist wins the tournament. Maryville beat Methodist. Go Scots! Should be fun next year. I will miss Brooks!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jeffconn on March 10, 2020, 02:32:47 PM
Berea College is cancelling the rest of the semester effective this Friday. All athletic contests will be cancelled. This affects baseball, softball, men's and women golf, tennis, and track & field. https://www.wdrb.com/news/berea-college-cancels-semester-and-asks-all-students-to-move/article_18ca2ae8-62ed-11ea-ba3e-632524706207.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 11, 2020, 10:47:15 AM
I bet there will be more of this. Seems drastic but perhaps necessary. Or we could wait and let Trimp's "hunches" play out.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 04, 2020, 10:25:05 AM
I hope there is D3 basketball and that Maryville can move on back to prominance. Coach P seems to have a plan and the people.  https://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/knoxville-duo-highlights-maryville-college-recruiting-class/article_5fdcad42-1ce3-5996-b79d-26c497695c68.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 11, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
Coach Placeres intends for the Maryville Scots to compete at the regional and national level and it looks like he has continued to put the pieces together. I hope we get D3 basketball this year!

https://www.thedailytimes.com/sports/knoxville-duo-highlights-maryville-college-recruiting-class/article_5fdcad42-1ce3-5996-b79d-26c497695c68.html
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on September 29, 2020, 11:27:11 AM
Maryville hires a new assistant men's coach. A winner!  Let's hope they can play some ball. 

https://www.mcscots.com/sports/mbkb/2020-21/releases/20200925dt0eyh
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:17:07 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 08, 2020, 06:11:31 PM
Averett helps out.


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=424739228556447&notif_id=1607466319689996&notif_t=watch_follower_video&ref=notif
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on January 07, 2021, 09:33:35 PM
USA South announces their Indoor Spectator Policy for winter sports. No fans allowed.

https://www.usasouth.net/general/2020-21/releases/20210107itpbfn?fbclid=IwAR2lBg2mJqFtOSZwSIdiZYTGxgws_qrtqF9CYxeKPF2Nh5B_T0P-FC4-BL8
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 19, 2021, 04:31:19 PM
The attendance policy is lame.  The USA South is getting lame.  If you want my real thoughts then go to www.fireplaceres.com

The USASC should be leading the way in showing sports can be played as several of their institutions would be shut down if you pulled 60% of their student body aka the athletes.  The only highlights this year will be Wallace at Lagrange as he will probably blow up on a ref and get ejected which is always exciting and hopefully a conference tournament that the Scots will win (either Murvul or Covenant, its a % thing). 

The Bring Back Lambert movement has started deep in the backwoods of Murvul TN.  We may get a package deal with Phillip Fulmer as AD and Lambert back as Men's Basketball Coach if the this Placeres thing doesn't turn around soon.  There is also another VERY accomplished former Scot in the Coaching Ranks who might be able to lead the Scots back to the national spotlight depending on how his 5th grade finishes they year.  Although most of his coaching ability rides on one player who is bigger than all the other kids, the winning percentage is hard to argue with.

Let's play ball!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 19, 2021, 07:14:06 PM
Considering the number of hurdles and heavy lifting schools and conferences are undergoing to make sure sports can have a chance of happening, trying to then ask for fans at games is a tall ask... and rings of disrespect to be honest.

These institutions have to do a LOT to make sure their facilities are okay to play in, that the players themselves are safe to play, that coaches and administrators are safe, that those needed for stats, video streaming, etc. are safe, AND make sure things are in place for the visiting teams, officials, training staffs, etc. on top of that.

Not to mention the fact, presidents have to sign off on allowing those off their campuses to come on knowing there is a significant risk visitors could be bringing the virus on to their campuses and causing a bigger problem. And in reverse, knowing their students and staff are going to other campuses and either could infect that campus OR bring the virus back to their campus.

To then be "disappointed" and demand (as I've seen others basically do) that schools and conferences allow fans is disingenuous. That is now another, significant, risk of bringing individuals on to a campus that is out of the control of presidents, athletics directors, coaches, etc. and aren't necessarily able to be tested or people can't guarantee the testing information is accurate. Not to mention the difficulty of making sure these individuals follow the rules, wear masks, etc.

We are in a once a century (hopefully) major pandemic. These schools and conferences have found a way for these games to even take place. There are MANY places games are NOT taking place. They are also providing live streams of games for anyone who wants to watch at home. To then be disappointed and want to attend in person ... is what is actually disappointing.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 20, 2021, 09:26:01 AM
I don't disagree with a word you said Dave but I am still disappointed and I appreciate how thorough you are on this subject and appreciate the work you are doing.  I follow the mask mandate, social distancing, and all covid policies even though I know the science is flawed for the masks (I am trained in aseptic technique) b/c the mask mandate doesn't come from scientist, in the state of TN it comes from the governor and is thusly enforced by the governor.

Laws are different in each state, the virus is everywhere, statistically the virus poses less risk to the student athletes than driving, the federal government rolled out the abbott rapid response test in Indian health b/c they knew it didn't work so who cares more successful genocide if the high risk Indians get a false negative then die (I'm native), the mental health issues seem to be outweighing the virus in the college age demographic........we can go on and on.  Limited attendance is allowed at high school and youth sports in Tennessee (the state I'm referencing and admit each state has different rules.)

The overriding theme here is that these kids are losing a year of ball in a non scholarship environment they will not get back.  Kids will not pay another 30k to play a 5th year.  I am of the opinion some administrators are suspending sports to save money they lost on housing in the fall semester of 2020.  This applies to tuition driven institutions.  Sadly, there is no simple answer and crossing state lines complicates it even more.  Also Sadly, athletes are missing the opportunity to learn the lessons the sports teach teamwork, competitive spirit, overcoming adversity, leadership, et al.  If I was still in school playing ball during this time, it would be devastating to not be able to play for me and my teammates.

I would also like to add that I am a guy who fights fraud within the USPHS daily.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 21, 2021, 04:54:46 PM
Meanwhile, Grubby...what do you really think of the Scotties?  I see you are not the new AD at UT.  Sorry!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 22, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
Quote from: mattgrubb on January 20, 2021, 09:26:01 AM
I don't disagree with a word you said Dave but I am still disappointed and I appreciate how thorough you are on this subject and appreciate the work you are doing.  I follow the mask mandate, social distancing, and all covid policies even though I know the science is flawed for the masks (I am trained in aseptic technique) b/c the mask mandate doesn't come from scientist, in the state of TN it comes from the governor and is thusly enforced by the governor.

Laws are different in each state, the virus is everywhere, statistically the virus poses less risk to the student athletes than driving, the federal government rolled out the abbott rapid response test in Indian health b/c they knew it didn't work so who cares more successful genocide if the high risk Indians get a false negative then die (I'm native), the mental health issues seem to be outweighing the virus in the college age demographic........we can go on and on.  Limited attendance is allowed at high school and youth sports in Tennessee (the state I'm referencing and admit each state has different rules.)

The overriding theme here is that these kids are losing a year of ball in a non scholarship environment they will not get back.  Kids will not pay another 30k to play a 5th year.  I am of the opinion some administrators are suspending sports to save money they lost on housing in the fall semester of 2020.  This applies to tuition driven institutions.  Sadly, there is no simple answer and crossing state lines complicates it even more.  Also Sadly, athletes are missing the opportunity to learn the lessons the sports teach teamwork, competitive spirit, overcoming adversity, leadership, et al.  If I was still in school playing ball during this time, it would be devastating to not be able to play for me and my teammates.

I would also like to add that I am a guy who fights fraud within the USPHS daily.

While it might pose less of a risk to student-athletes, no one is immune. I have a friend and former colleague who's college junior son spend 14-days in the hospital hooked up to tubes and nearly undergoing some serious operations because of getting COVID. There are plenty of other examples of where younger people have been serious impacted by this virus if not killed.

And they are carriers ...

College campuses have illnesses run through them like wildfire. It just takes a spark. College presidents in an effort to not only protect their campuses, protect those who may be vulnerable (many who don't realize it), and of course protect their faculty, staff, administrations, etc. They are doing everything to make this happen and are not going to risk the situation on their campuses. It only takes one person and a campus could be crippled.

Trying to compare to high schools and youth sports is a no-go with me. They don't have the same scenarios. People return to their homes for the most part. It just doesn't compare.

Yes, sports are important to some and have life lessons to teach - but we are in a pandemic. First, there is no book for this in our modern times. Period. I would have hated to lose a year myself - and I lost a year because I got cut from my college team my sophomore year! I know it is hard. No one disagrees with that, but that doesn't mean we just throw everything out when we consider sports.

They are playing. Terrific. Watch from home. Be safe. Keep their campuses and them safe. Because if you allow even limited spectators (who, again, are not part of who the college can control or test) and the team tests positive afterwards or the virus races through the campus, then there are no games at all - and likely for much longer into the spring ... because the president on that campus will see that allowing games and spectators was NOT good for his campus.

For many presidents the option is simple: I will allow sports in a very controlled manner with no spectators or media or there won't be sports at all.

Which one do you want?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 25, 2021, 02:38:18 PM
Obviously the addition of Jeff McCord to the coaching staff has been huge. The Scots under Coach P are at 3-1 Coach P must be thanking McCord for this.

JR Sanders is my fave player. Clifton is a distant second b/c every time I see his stat line he has all these things called "rebounds."  I'm not sure what rebounds are so if someone will enlighten me that will probably help Nicholas out in my book.

Go Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 26, 2021, 11:17:55 AM
Grubby One:  Aren't rebounds those things that are available to determined players when shooters fail? Since you never did the shooter failing thing, it is no surprise you are confused!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 26, 2021, 02:22:33 PM
Scottiedoug you are correct.  Rebounds only come from people who can't shoot.  Scots have two big games this weekend. If they win both, Coach P will be tough to contain but in reality they will win b/c of Coach McCord.

Need to get Miles down to Broadway Barbershop to see Cecil on a Tuesday, that guy could make anyone look like a winner.  Cecil could make any Scot look and feel good enough to put up 20 and 10!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 27, 2021, 11:45:38 AM
Grubby one...do you know what's up with the other D1 transfer? Coach P already has a few guards.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:16:19 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 31, 2021, 04:35:10 PM
Doug
Chase is out with an ankle injury. He will be back. Big time scorer.

The Scots balled all weekend.  Coach P is riding the great wave of hiring Jeff McCord as his assistant with a 5-1 record. JR is ballin as expected, the Chong Song is getting close to full volume, Felix, Nick, &Kah are doing their thing and the freshmen look strong. Myles would be more consistent with a haircut but has good showings with highlights of greatness or frosted tips of greatness whatever your prefer.

Wins come down to Sanders and Chong. When they perform winning is easy. Everyone else is pretty consistent with those two showing some greatness.

Looks like they are playing for a conference championship against covenant and/or Piedmont with no NCAA tournament.  Just glad they are playing.

The BIG Question is why does Dave McHugh not have a Murvul Jersey in his studio?  This is an almost inexcusable offense. Someone send him a Murvul jersey so he can cover up the John Carroll jersey.  If I have to arm wrestle London Fletcher for which jersey gets a more prominent spot then fine, I will do it and not apologize when I win.

Great work on the video podcast. Keep up the great coverage. Everyone please help support the D3sports brand.  These athletes deserve the national coverage and continuity of coverage that one major national outlet provides. I'm going to talk to my neighbor that played at Rose Hulman but he's still bitter about the beat down in Murvul in 99. Yes D3 athletes compete as hard as any athletes, please support their efforts which are highlighted by Pat, Dave, and the team.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 01, 2021, 12:25:31 PM
Grubby One:  I agree about supporting Pat and Dave and the crew...even sent them Filthy Lucre.

I fear Myles would be less good with your suggestions about hair. I hope they can finish the year and win the USASouth. It would be nice to play someone else, too, so these young ones get a sense of what High Level D3 is like. Lots to look forward to if they can stay together.

I will chip in if you figure a way to cover up John Carroll.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 01, 2021, 08:55:06 PM
Doug. Spoke with Coach P The jersey is packaged and ready to ship to D-Mac.

The Scots have 3 main concerns right now
1. Conference Championship. Win all remaining games and any playoff/conf tournament
2. Stayed motivated and build for next year
3. Myles hair. Obviously Coach P and Coach McCord can't offer much advice on hair so it's up to JR and Nicholas to lead on this one.

This team is starting to round out with several explosive scorers JR, Myles, and Chong. Chase would be in there if he was healthy. Add that to the consistent scorers Nicholas, Felix, and Kordell. They are finally starting to build the depth a D3 team needs to win consistently on back to back road trips. Guys will have off nights or teams will focus on certain guys defensively so that's where depth is so crucial.

So glad to see them play.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 02, 2021, 02:29:12 PM
Mr. Grubb:

Do you need money or anything for the jersey?

It looks to me like Coaches P and Mc are building the kind of team that can hang with the Nebraska Wesleyans and Mariettas. Size, depth, shooters. If Chase is as advertised, there will be a lot of people to guard. Fun to see. Lets hope the school can get through this pandemic intact!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2021, 04:08:00 PM
I look forward to seeing a new jersey in the mail ... but FYI the JCU jersey has been hanging longer than usual mainly to honor the loss of SID great at JCU (and JCU alumn) Chris Wenzler. Died of cancer last year.

But eventually we will get back to rotating jerseys behind us.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2021, 07:42:51 PM
Makes sense about the JCU jersey. In all seriousness, they are a first rate D3 program all around. My neighbor grew up in Shaker Heights and played at JCU growing up before playing at Tennesse and he talks about how good the players were at JCU when he was growing up and now nice it was there. He started 4 years at UT. Sure do miss plying those guys.


Now back chat room stuff, I will arm wrastle London Fletcher to get a better spot!  And he can't wear his Super Bowl ring b/c it will cut my hand. Since I can guarantee victory, we now need Dave's address to send the jersey!  Go Scots!  BTW, Dave you are coming to a game in Murvul next year if it is safe to travel so get ready for a weekend in the Smoky Mountians.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2021, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 02, 2021, 07:42:51 PM
Makes sense about the JCU jersey. In all seriousness, they are a first rate D3 program all around. My neighbor grew up in Shaker Heights and played at JCU growing up before playing at Tennesse and he talks about how good the players were at JCU when he was growing up and now nice it was there. He started 4 years at UT. Sure do miss plying those guys.


Now back chat room stuff, I will arm wrastle London Fletcher to get a better spot!  And he can't wear his Super Bowl ring b/c it will cut my hand. Since I can guarantee victory, we now need Dave's address to send the jersey!  Go Scots!  BTW, Dave you are coming to a game in Murvul next year if it is safe to travel so get ready for a weekend in the Smoky Mountians.

We shall see what travel looks like next year ... after being unemployed as much as I have been since mid-March last year ... we shall see. :)

But if I am traveling ... I wouldn't mind being in the Smokies. It has been a long time since I've been in the Smokies :)
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 02, 2021, 10:29:04 PM
When we invite to the Smokies, we pick up the check.....southern hospitality is legendary!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 03:10:37 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 02, 2021, 10:29:04 PM
When we invite to the Smokies, we pick up the check.....southern hospitality is legendary!

You are speaking my language ... and I'm fully aware of the hospitality. It is one of the reasons I love Salem as a championships host. HAHA
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:45:51 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 08, 2021, 11:42:19 AM
Yes, understandable.  The D3 championships are an expense to the NCAA and with the loss of revenue or at least unpredictability of revenue from the men's Div I tourney this was almost inevitable.  Not going to comment on the virus side of the equation, just going to follow the money.

Anyway, my dude Wallace at Lagrange is still going to ball out and do all he can to win the now updated USA South West div conference tourney!  Looks like it will be Murvul vs Wallace (AKA Lagrange) for the championship!

Also I wanted to reiterate that GC beat a D1 team this season!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2021, 11:48:15 AM
It was a nice win over the DI ... sadly, it was an exhibition for GC meaning they can't count it for anything. Longwood is 6-14 in this season as well (Longwood has to count the game, so it is part of the 14 losses).
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ronk on February 08, 2021, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2021, 11:48:15 AM
It was a nice win over the DI ... sadly, it was an exhibition for GC meaning they can't count it for anything. Longwood is 6-14 in this season as well (Longwood has to count the game, so it is part of the 14 losses).

You underestimate the pride of D3 players in contesting "upper-level" opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 09, 2021, 12:07:42 AM
Well said. No D3 guy will ever use the word exhibition when they win.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2021, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 08, 2021, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2021, 11:48:15 AM
It was a nice win over the DI ... sadly, it was an exhibition for GC meaning they can't count it for anything. Longwood is 6-14 in this season as well (Longwood has to count the game, so it is part of the 14 losses).

You underestimate the pride of D3 players in contesting "upper-level" opponents.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying.

I am simply pointing out it is hard to be rah rah for a game that didn't count for the DIII including all stats for Greensboro. Imagine if a kid went out and supposedly broke the school record for points, or threes, or rebounds, etc. ... the stats don't count just like the win doesn't count.

I wasn't saying anything about pride or enthusiasm for playing an upper-level opponent. You inserted that into the comment about what counts or doesn't count in what that game represents for the program and such.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: ronk on February 09, 2021, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2021, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 08, 2021, 04:06:04 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2021, 11:48:15 AM
It was a nice win over the DI ... sadly, it was an exhibition for GC meaning they can't count it for anything. Longwood is 6-14 in this season as well (Longwood has to count the game, so it is part of the 14 losses).

You underestimate the pride of D3 players in contesting "upper-level" opponents.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying.

I am simply pointing out it is hard to be rah rah for a game that didn't count for the DIII including all stats for Greensboro. Imagine if a kid went out and supposedly broke the school record for points, or threes, or rebounds, etc. ... the stats don't count just like the win doesn't count.

I wasn't saying anything about pride or enthusiasm for playing an upper-level opponent. You inserted that into the comment about what counts or doesn't count in what that game represents for the program and such.

Pride is something; it's part of the anything that you dismissed as can't be counted.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
ronk - I was NOT talking about that aspect of things. You are inserting that in and thus because of your insertion you are assuming I removed it.

I wasn't talking about the players or coaches... I was talking about the stats and what the game is considered from a wins and losses perspective.

Maybe you should apologize to yourself for my dismissal of something I wasn't talking about or referring to. Feel free to have a conversation with yourself about the pride students and coaches have ... when I decide to discuss that aspect of things, I'll join in.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
ronk - I was NOT talking about that aspect of things. You are inserting that in and thus because of your insertion you are assuming I removed it.

I wasn't talking about the players or coaches... I was talking about the stats and what the game is considered from a wins and losses perspective.

Maybe you should apologize to yourself for my dismissal of something I wasn't talking about or referring to. Feel free to have a conversation with yourself about the pride students and coaches have ... when I decide to discuss that aspect of things, I'll join in.

Maybe you should be clearer and more intentional in your postings.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2021, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: NEPAFAN on February 10, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
ronk - I was NOT talking about that aspect of things. You are inserting that in and thus because of your insertion you are assuming I removed it.

I wasn't talking about the players or coaches... I was talking about the stats and what the game is considered from a wins and losses perspective.

Maybe you should apologize to yourself for my dismissal of something I wasn't talking about or referring to. Feel free to have a conversation with yourself about the pride students and coaches have ... when I decide to discuss that aspect of things, I'll join in.

Maybe you should be clearer and more intentional in your postings.

Didn't think it had to be more clear ... furthermore, enough people complain about the length of my posts I figured I didn't need to spell all details out.

But to also state clearly the second time the point of my post and have it then repeated as if that was clear is a bit annoying.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 11, 2021, 07:01:15 PM
good points D-Mac.  Would suck to drop 70 on a d1 team and not get the record for most points in a game b/c it was an "exhibition."  Flipside is exhibition or not, there were still two baskets, 1 ball, some refs, 10 players on the court and GC gave them a beating!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2021, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 11, 2021, 07:01:15 PM
good points D-Mac.  Would suck to drop 70 on a d1 team and not get the record for most points in a game b/c it was an "exhibition."  Flipside is exhibition or not, there were still two baskets, 1 ball, some refs, 10 players on the court and GC gave them a beating!!!!!

Oh absolutely. It is still a game for all involved and I know teams who are talking about some of those games years later.

The oddity being GC hasn't been able to win much since.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 23, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Dave,
give us an update on any potential post season tournaments for D3 teams? if any?
thanks
The Grubby One
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2021, 12:20:26 PM
Quote from: mattgrubb on February 23, 2021, 02:44:37 PM
Dave,
give us an update on any potential post season tournaments for D3 teams? if any?
thanks
The Grubby One

We at the D3hoops group and our partners are working behind the scenes to shore up some regional tourneys - at best. I think some who thought they could participate are now realizing they either can't (for a lot of reasons including number of games remaining in their pockets) or can't host. As a result, there are complications in getting it done and who will be able to participate.

Hopefully some more solid news in the near future.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 24, 2021, 08:21:38 PM
Cool.  We have made sure Murvul is ready if there is an opportunity!  We are proud alums...........now that they are back in the receiving votes column.  We had to hide in shame for a while.  Our pride would show a lot more if they were in the top 15.  Unfortunately for the men, we have to give all our love and resources to the lady Scots b/c they are in the top 10!!!

Long Live The Legend that is Coach T!!!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 25, 2021, 12:02:53 PM
Yes Mr. Grubby!  The 2 Scots teams may be good enough to beat people who play in another league and it would be great to find out! I doubt they will get the chance this year unless you have an unused pot of money you can subsidize with.  Meanwhile, there are worthy opponents this week.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on February 26, 2021, 12:37:50 PM
My wife has cut off my pot of money. I will use the last of what I have to find Coach Wallace's kryptonite.  The Scots need to beat Lagrange tomorrow to make things weird for the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2021, 10:28:35 AM
Mr. Grubby!

Well?  Another tournament won?  And no more Crumly.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: bballlover on March 04, 2021, 11:51:46 AM
Don't want to jinx my Lions , but they will show up. Could make it interesting. They split earlier in the foothills.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 04, 2021, 10:44:23 PM
I am glad they are still playing! Scots are better than they were last time.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 05, 2021, 08:18:08 AM
I love the Piedmont team.  I think Orry Clements Owens (hope I got that right) is as smooth as it gets at the D3 level, Foote is exactly what you want, and quick is good too.  They play hard and are fun to watch.  Now with that said, I hope the athleticism of Murvul wins the game.  With every game the Scots play it comes down to Chong, if he shows up big, then its a big win, if he doesn't then Nick and Myles have to find a way.  Never forget JR running the point as he can drop 30 when needed and he makes tough shots.  Just Glad they are playing and playing for a championship.  Since this is the western division title game, so it could be a semi final game, it is the 20 year anniversary of the McCord Miracle and if you don't know what that is..........then you need to find out if you're a Murvul Fan and don't ask if you are a piedmont fan!!!!  Ok, its a steal and a 75 foot bank shot made as time expires to send the Murvul v Piedmont game in the conference semis to overtime where Grubby did the rest (as usual).  McCord will be on the sidelines coaching but his magic is still there aka "he's still got it!"

Look at Coach P's career win % after this season....YUGE!!!!!!!!!  He should be coach of the year across the nation.  From 9-like 38 last year to 9-2 so far this year.
Im starting the campaign now and I need Pat and D-Mac on board for the Coach P for coach of the year train!!!!!

Also shout out to Scots Legend Kris Sigmund and both his kids committing to play for the Scots turning down power 5 offers and committing to play at a young age.  They will dominate for Coach P.  Huge News on the recruiting front.  The future is very bright for the Scots and Coach P will win at least 4 more CoY awards with those two!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 05, 2021, 10:48:38 AM
Maybe Chong needs to follow Myles' hairstyle to bolster consistency. I was there for the McCord miracle and it surely was one.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 06, 2021, 08:28:42 PM
What a nice win for Murvul over a strong Piedmont team. Owens-Clements and Jolly are strong for sophomores, Quick is a nice player, and Foote is always impressive. Murvul finally has what good D3 teams need: Depth. I look for some great games between Piedmont and Murvul next year. Great job by both teams in this weird time. The mental toughness they showed and adversity they conquered will make them much better next year when they get back to normal.

For Coach P, what a difference a year makes. Last year he lost so many close games and we all thought it was because of coaching, but apparently it was due to youth. We think. Great performances by several players in the championship game made Coach P look like a better coach. Hopefully this restarts the habit for the Scots, champions win, if it's the makeshift western division USA south conference championship or the real thing or a  pick up game, champions win. Hope to see these guys win a lot more and bring Coach P and McCord along for the ride.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 08, 2021, 03:14:18 PM
How do you recruit to a team so loaded already?

Let's hope next year gives all of the teams a chance to play lots of ball and against good opponents. 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on March 08, 2021, 08:54:51 PM
You get guys that are better if they want to play.  The Scots return everyone, except Griswold unless he chooses to return, and should be in the national spotlight next year.  Their strengths will be PG, Wing, and Post play.  The need a bigger big and a stronger wing player to truly compete as in they need some muscle.  The top teams are very strong teams, like JR just taller.  These guys will be even better next year!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on March 09, 2021, 10:44:15 AM
Mr. Grubby:  Weight room? Let's hope everyone stays healthy and does well at the school part of college. I look forward to watching this group compete more broadly than the USASouth and think they are scheduling some of that.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Titan Q on October 25, 2021, 10:42:42 AM
My conversation with Raul Placeres, Head MBB Coach at #23-Maryville (TN).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVXOrGYsNoY

0:00 Raul's path to Maryville
3:41 Growing up in Miami
6:03 Mariel Boatlift; parents decision to leave Cuba
7:59 Playing professional basketball; becoming a HS head coach
9:56 Joining Coach Lambert's staff at Maryville
11:38 Maryville's D3 tradition
13:33 2020-21 season - winning the conf regular season and tourney
15:19 Loaded 2021-22 roster (including 2 D1 transfers)
18:51 2021-22 schedule
22:41 Scheduling philosophy
25:15 Difference in D3 MBB geographies; impact on recruiting
29:21 USA South conference
31:21 Travel in D3
32:31 Preseason #23 ranking
33:52 Building a culture at Maryville
35:34 Cafecito
36:39 Final thoughts
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on October 26, 2021, 11:59:24 AM
The interview with Coach P. was great!  Thanks! Go Scots!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on December 30, 2021, 12:41:38 PM
OK, now that the Real Scots have finished 2021 11-1 and won two at the D3Hoops Classic in Las Vegas, I declare that Raul's team looks pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 02, 2022, 12:36:23 PM
Coach Placeres' interview at the D3 Hoops showcase reveals what is good about D3 sports.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O5unfI2xwQ
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: mattgrubb on January 05, 2022, 01:53:24 PM
Coach P wins games! 
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 06, 2022, 01:06:56 PM
Ryan Scott's musings in D3Hoops about this season and who is a contender nationally mention's Maryville as a possible "surprise" from a conference not usually thought to be a contender.  This is a first, I think!
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on January 18, 2022, 11:40:31 AM
So are the Real Scots so much better than everyone else that nobody in the USASouth fanbase plays in D3 Hoops any more?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2022, 11:39:47 AM
Hoopsville is airing at 1:00 PM today and for the next several shows (due to schedule conflicts).

(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=680ra/3hdr5hldff6ad7hi.jpg)

Here is what we have on tap today in terms of guests:
- Jordan Olufson, Webster women's coach
- Meg Barber, #9 NYU women's coach
- Sean Foster, Salve Regina men's coach
- Raul Placeres, #16 Maryville men's coach
- Ryan Scott & Mike Rejniak, Men's Top 25 Double-Take

We will recap the NCAA Convention and hit on some other notes as well.

Again, starting at 1:00 PM ET today. Watch the show here (or On Demand if you missed it): www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2021-22/jan24
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:51:17 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
News on the future of the USA South:
https://d3sports.com/notables/2022/02/usa-south-to-split-in-two
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on February 18, 2022, 09:57:11 AM
Thanks, Pat. did they flip a coin to see who lost the AQ?
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 18, 2022, 10:07:08 AM
Quote from: scottiedoug on February 18, 2022, 09:57:11 AM
Thanks, Pat. did they flip a coin to see who lost the AQ?

I don't know how it was determined as to which group got to carry forth the USA South name and existing AQs, but more of the members with longer-standing are in the USAC group and the newer members are in the CCS group so that may be meaningful.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on May 13, 2022, 03:06:35 PM
Covenant's coach has moved on to Ohio Northern. He did well with the Scots. Maybe losing Will Crumley to graduation was too much to bear.
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 15, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
Collegiate Conference of the South emerges from the mess:  https://www.mcscots.com/general/2022-23/releases/20220713lm1gj3
Title: Re: MBB: USA South Conference
Post by: scottiedoug on July 26, 2022, 10:30:13 AM
Interesting article from the Maryville Daily Times about the origins of the new Collegiate Conference of the South:  https://www.thedailytimes.com/news/maryville-college-leaders-play-integral-part-in-creation-of-new-conference/article_b8538aaa-0aa7-11ed-8006-e7c4f596de57.html

Having split conferences for different sports is not ideal but I do not know what else to do. I hope the reduced travel times and expenses can offer other opportunities.